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Timcast IRL - New Evidence Just EXONERATED TRUMP, Democrat Witch Hunt FAIL w/Robby & Landon Starbuck
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So remember that thing that What was it?
tim pool
Oh yeah, indictment of Donald Trump?
Well, that's not happening.
It might happen next week, we don't know for sure, but a new letter has surfaced from 2018 stating that Michael Cohen used his own personal funds to pay off Stormy Daniels and that Trump in no way Instructed him to do it.
We'll go through the letter to make sure I get all the details correct.
But wow, that basically completely exonerates Trump.
And the news reporting now is that the reason the indictment's been delayed is because this dude Bragg is struggling to convince a grand jury that Trump did anything wrong considering this evidence.
That's kind of crazy when you consider that grand juries basically always return indictments because indictments are not criminal trials.
It's a preponderance of evidence.
Should we issue an indictment and then try and prove they actually did it?
Well, they can't even get that far.
So, to all the people who were in the chat saying things like, it's a non-story, it won't happen, you were correct.
But, but, but, for now.
Because they're still saying that Bragg is desperate for the attention, and he'll probably want to do something, or maybe even just return it, I don't even know if he needs the grand jury.
We will see.
We got a bunch of other news, too, though.
So we'll talk about this crazy story.
Some stores are pulling eggs from the shelves because they're too expensive.
Nobody can afford to buy them.
So they're just getting rid of them outright.
So we'll talk about that.
We got some crazy news with Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin shaking hands and signing, like, a deal that has not been seen in 100 years and some serious worries about, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, World War III.
But there's this great thread from Josie the Redhead Libertarian talking about how all the major oil-producing nations are forming an alliance without the United States, which basically is gearing up for a New World Order.
I don't mean THE New World Order, A New World Order in which the petrodollar doesn't matter.
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ian crossland
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Brilliant idea.
Brilliant idea.
ian crossland
That's how you build community.
tim pool
Right.
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Joining us tonight to talk about all of this and a whole lot more, especially some really crazy stories pertaining to We got a story out of Nebraska.
A Democrat is filibustering for weeks demanding the right to amputate the genitals of children.
It's a very, very strange story, but this is what Democrats are all about right now.
So joining us to talk about all this is Landon and Robbie Starbuck.
robby starbuck
Great to see you.
Great to be back.
tim pool
Welcome.
unidentified
Thanks for having us.
tim pool
Yeah.
So do you want to introduce yourselves?
robby starbuck
Yes, I mean, this is I think my third or fourth time back on the show.
So I'm Robbie Starbuck and I had an election stolen from me.
I feel like I'm in an AA meeting.
You know, so follow at Robbie Starbuck.
Happy to be here.
One of my favorite shows.
tim pool
But that was the Republicans removing you.
robby starbuck
Yes, it was the Republicans.
It was the Republicans.
tim pool
But they outright removed you.
That's crazy.
robby starbuck
Yes, and I was, like, far and away a leading candidate.
I mean, there was no argument about that.
tim pool
We complained about that yesterday.
We were talking with Troy Nails, and I'm like, the Republican Party's trash.
Look at the stuff—anyway, anyway, I digress.
unidentified
Landon.
Yeah, I'm Landon Starbuck.
I'm Robbie's wife.
I also run a non-profit combating child exploitation called Freedom Forever, and that is pretty much what I do every day.
I'm a mom of three and an activist, but also running this non-profit.
tim pool
Yeah, one of the stories that's picking up steam right now, it's actually from a couple days ago, has to do with Jazz Jennings, who is... I mean, this story... I don't know if I want to get into it immediately, but... If I were to say... YouTube might ban us for talking, I don't know.
It's on TLC, I played the video, so maybe I should just say it.
I know it's very early in the show and some people might want to get warmed up, but...
The mother of jazz saying, if you do not insert this into you, I will do it.
And then I will wring your neck like it's it's it's outright abuse.
So we got to talk about what's going on with these kids.
And this falls in line with the story of the democrat who's been filibustering for weeks, saying that not amputating the genitals of children is genocide.
And that that's just the weirdest thing.
But we'll get into all that stuff.
So thanks for joining us.
We also got Ian's back.
He's hanging out.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
Good to see you.
Happy, uh, what is it, a Wednesday, I think?
Coming in on a Wednesday night.
Good to see you guys.
Let's get moving.
What's happening, Serge?
unidentified
Yo, I am ready to start the show.
Let's go.
Let's get it!
tim pool
We got this story from the post-millennial breaking.
2018 letter states Michael Cohen paid Stormy Daniels with his own funds Trump did not reimburse.
Oh, geez.
I wonder why it is that when the story first broke years ago, they did not move to indict Trump.
Could it be that he didn't have anything to do with it?
A 2018 letter from former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's team to officials at the Federal Election Commission has revealed that the then-president was not involved in the payment of alleged hush money to Stormy Daniels.
The letter obtained by the Daily Mail stated that it was Cohen who paid Daniels $130,000 out of his own pocket.
Quote, In a private transaction in 2016, before the U.S.
presidential election, Mr. Cohen used his own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms.
Stephanie Clifford.
Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms.
Clifford, and neither reimbursed Mr. Cohen in the payment directly or indirectly.
Cohen's team went on to explain that neither Mr. Cohen nor Essential Consultants, LLC made any in-kind contributions to Trump for president or any other presidential campaign committee, nor was Cohen a government employee at the time.
Thus, they argued the payment in question does not constitute a campaign contribution or expenditure, and therefore the FEC lacks jurisdiction over this matter.
Well, that's it.
robby starbuck
They got nothing.
tim pool
There goes your story.
robby starbuck
There it goes.
You can't indict him.
I mean, this is crazy.
This is crazy.
Where is our country going if you're indicting a leading candidate for president on something which, by the way, this happened how long ago?
Like, are we living in the past?
This didn't happen recently.
tim pool
This letter is from 2018.
So here, we have the actual letter right here.
You can see it from Daily Mail.
It says, uh, McDermott, Will, and Emery, February 8th, 2018, to the FEC.
So the question is, did this individual, Stephen M. Ryan, counsel for Michael Cohen, lie to the FEC?
Likely not.
It's more likely that it's been a witch hunt the whole time.
Democrats have been weaponizing the justice system to go after Donald Trump with lies and smears, and this proves that it's all bunk nonsense.
robby starbuck
Yeah, and I would say Cohen wants payback because Cohen went to jail, which was really his own fault.
He went to jail, and he blames Trump, and he didn't get a new job, didn't get money with Trump, and so he turned into an anti-Trump guy.
And this was part of his scheme to be able to grow his star on the left, being the guy who took down Trump.
And so he's willing to lie.
tim pool
Like Cheney, like Kinzinger, like Joe Walsh.
These people know what they're doing.
You know what I think it is?
People like Cohen go to prison, and then you'll see people like Joe Walsh or whatever, and they're like, I know who butters my bread, I better just fall in line with the deep state.
robby starbuck
100%.
ian crossland
Why would Cohen pay Stormy Daniels $130,000 anyway?
robby starbuck
That part never made sense to me.
tim pool
I mean, I think it makes sense.
It's just it's a question of personal issues that we're not privy to.
robby starbuck
Yeah.
ian crossland
Is it possible that he's just super rich and it's like 130 grand is not much to take the pressure off Donald Trump.
I'm just going to do it for him kind of thing.
tim pool
Maybe it could be this.
Michael Cohen was, he was the counsel for Trump, right?
He was a lawyer for Trump?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Imagine you're a lawyer for a client, and the client says, listen, I need you to take care of these extraneous things.
I'm not going to waste time with them, right?
I'm busy with my campaign.
And then Michael Cohen's thinking, this Stormy Daniels lady is causing me a headache.
It's my job to deal with it, but she won't shut up and go away.
I got it.
I'll pay her off.
That will make my job so much easier.
Now Donald Trump, in this scenario, this is hypothetical, Donald Trump doesn't go to Michael Cohen and say, pay her off, make her shut up.
Donald Trump says, you know, I don't know what this is all about, figure out what's going on, I'm gonna get back to work, you deal with it.
And then Michael Cohen says, instead of doing my job, filing paperwork and having to deal with this, it's easier for me to just pay for her to go away, personally, and then just bill the hours to Trump.
The Trump campaign likely then says, I have no idea what this is.
Here's, here's, you know, Michael Cohen.
This makes sense.
Imagine that's what happened.
They're claiming Trump.
Paid the money to Stormy Daniels and called it legal fees.
It's entirely possible Michael Cohen, according to this letter, did it himself, and then without Trump's knowledge, billed Trump for the payment he made to Stormy Daniels, and Trump was just like, I guess we owe legal fees.
ian crossland
And so that's the $35,000 that Trump paid.
Well, Trump paid Michael Cohen $35,000 a year later.
Well, Trump paid Michael Cohen $35,000 a year later in October of 2017.
There's a check from Trump to Cohen for 35 grand.
tim pool
Sure.
Look, when I get a legal bill, I don't... I tip it for the company, like, we get legal bills because of all the legal work that we do.
Like, I gotta call a lawyer, I'm like, we're gonna file this, we're gonna file that.
You know, new company, old company, copyright.
I don't go through this whole itinerary.
I call the lawyer and say, here's what we need done, I need this song cop, you know, trademarked, I need this thing trademarked, we're launching an LLC for here.
Get it done, send me the invoice.
They send me an invoice, I click pay.
ian crossland
Yep.
The thing is, though, if I had a lawyer, and they just went and gave someone $130,000, that would be the most insane situation.
robby starbuck
No.
If you were a billionaire, you would know.
tim pool
I explained it already.
If I go to a lawyer and say, I need five new companies formed in the state of Delaware and I need it done by next week.
He goes, okay, I got it.
Gets off the phone and then starts sweating, being like, how am I going to get five filings done in a week?
So he calls his buddy at the office and says, listen, Just shove it under the door, I'll give you a couple hundred bucks, don't tell anybody, I need to get this done.
That's not my fault if that person does that.
I didn't tell him to break the law.
I'm just saying hypothetically.
I think the simple solution to this is, considering this letter, unless you think Michael Cohen committed more felonies with his legal team lying to the FEC, which I think is less likely.
That's a bigger conspiracy, I suppose.
What makes sense is, Trump's got a lawyer and he's like, I don't hang out with the lawyer.
I don't know what the hell the lawyer does.
All I know is, if he's like, I get an email, I send it to him, I say, you deal with it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like, won't somebody rid me of this priest?
And then Cohen's like, I got you, buddy.
tim pool
I could see it now.
But you misunderstand.
I'm saying, when I talk to my lawyer, I don't tell them what to do or say, won't someone rid me of this priest?
I say, you tell me what you think needs to be done.
You're my lawyer.
I'm calling you for advice.
Send me the bill.
Michael Cohen then decided to take this action of his own volition because it was easier than actually doing his job.
His job of negotiating a settlement or whatever his job may be.
Maybe he was like, if this book comes out, I'm going to be drowning in legal paperwork.
Trump's going to sue her and then I'm going to have to deal with that.
It's easier if I just pay her and don't tell anybody.
ian crossland
I mean, whatever the case, there's, I'm looking at the, there's very little to no evidence that Trump paid Stormy Daniels anything.
robby starbuck
Is that true now?
And by the way, remember Stormy said that they never had sex.
Everybody forgets this.
She said that back then.
tim pool
Yeah, she just lied or something?
robby starbuck
So, we have on both sides of this, Cohen and Stormy, both have a history of either lying or telling the truth in different scenarios, because they've said both things.
They're speaking out both sides of their mouth, so we know that they're lying.
So these are proven liars, and in Michael's case, it sent him to prison.
So we're supposed to take the words of these people?
No serious prosecutor would take somebody like this and go, oh, I'm going to make this the crux of my case to take down a former president of the United States.
That's ludicrous.
And beyond that, you know, I think Tim's exactly right.
I can see it now in the Trumpian way.
He's in there with Cohen.
Cohen starts to bring somebody and he goes, look, look, Michael, I just want you to take care of everything.
I got the greatest campaign going on right now.
The greatest campaign.
I got to deal with that.
You take care of everything else, OK?
The checkbook's over there.
tim pool
And imagine this, Michael Cohen thinking, if Stormy does this book...
I am gonna lose a client because Trump's campaign could be ruined.
Like there's so many reasons why Michael Cohen would have done this of his own volition.
Thinking like Trump pays me X amount of million dollars or whatever as his lawyer.
I get all these great billable hours.
I can't let this stormy lady ruin that for me.
I'll just pay her off and won't tell anybody.
And now they're trying to use that against Trump who presumably had not, well literally according to this letter, had nothing to do with it.
robby starbuck
Well it's protecting prestige too because the idea for Cohen was if Trump does pull this off and win, I'm going to get some prestigious job.
I'm going to get to go to the White House with him.
I'm going to be an even more important person.
And you have to go into the psychology of a guy like that and the way he grew up and everything.
It doesn't seem like he had the most, you know, sort of like a, you know, privileged background.
He worked his way up to where he was and wanted to get to the next level and continue to impress the person he married and things like that.
She's a crazy lib, by the way.
But the White House would offer that ability, you know, in his mind, and that could all be taken from him too.
I think that all plays into it.
Honestly, your theory makes a lot of sense.
tim pool
Considering this letter, I think that seems to be the most likely outcome.
Not that I know for sure anything like that, but then one day, you know, Cohen then says, you know what I'll do?
I'll pay her off and then bill Trump as a legal fee and he won't even know what it's for.
And he's a billionaire!
He probably just gets the bill and then says, you know, whatever, pay Cohen.
I don't know, he's the lawyer doing the job.
unidentified
Regardless of the scenario, there's no evidence that Trump knew of any of this.
You can't take him down for something that Cohen did.
There's no intention.
There's no exchange of him knowing that this exchange took place.
ian crossland
I really don't like plausible deniability where it's obvious that you told someone to do something for you, but there's no paper trail.
I can't stand that because that's the seed of corruption.
But at the same time, there's no evidence that he told him to do it.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So, Alvin Bragg, a Soros DA, is just lighting fire to this country for what?
I think it may not be about Trump.
So, this is a Soros DA.
So much of what we've seen from them has been DC comic book villainy.
Release the inmates from Arkham Asylum.
They're doing it all across the country.
This may be more, indict the president by any means necessary to rip this country apart.
robby starbuck
Yep.
Light a fire.
Watch what happens.
Watch everything burn.
I definitely fall in line with that.
I mean, I wrote a story.
I was warning people about these Soros prosecutors probably about five, six years ago.
I wrote a couple major pieces, one in the New York Post, about how Soros was using DAs to tear apart the fabric of America.
And it totally makes sense if you think about it and you look at the micro level on what these DAs are doing to these cities and changing just the window of acceptability that people have about what they're willing to put up with and what is normalized and what is criminalized suddenly.
Suddenly violent crime is no longer important.
Suddenly violent speech is important, okay?
And what they frame as violent speech becomes important.
and wrong ideas become more and more dangerous.
But actually going and breaking into somebody's house with their car,
no, that's no big deal.
That's just to be expected if you live in one of these hellholes.
And I think that the reality that we're seeing play out here
is these people keep amping it up, time after time and time again.
And this guy's just taking it to the next natural level, which is to start the biggest fire they've started yet.
tim pool
Yep.
That's why people are saying, why would he try to indict Trump on this?
Because this isn't what matters.
The indictment is what matters.
That's why I have a feeling, I'm like, okay, so he was supposed to get it out yesterday, then it was today, now it's not happening this week apparently, but I got a feeling this dude's gonna do whatever he can to just file it so that it hits the press, it's going to enrage Trump supporters, it's going to cause, you know, these woke libs to be like, woo, and hooting and screaming, it will be lighting a fire on this, lighting this country on fire.
robby starbuck
Yeah, and there's actually DC consultants that truly believe this is going to hurt Trump, okay?
I live in Tennessee.
And I can tell you, this is not going to hurt Trump, okay?
The people who are on the fence, because maybe they were upset about the vaccine, or maybe they were upset that J6 people were not given a pardon before he left, the nonviolent ones, or maybe they were upset that he gave the Presidential Commendation Medal to Fauci, whatever the reason.
Whatever the reason was they were upset, okay?
Even a lot of those people are going, oh no, this is a line we can't cross in America.
This is something we cannot accept and we're not going to accept.
Political prosecutions, you know what?
Trump's my guy now because he's the one that's going to have to take this on because they're personally going after him and he's going to make it personal and we need somebody who's going to make it personal and be a fighter against this.
And I think they're going to be really, really in for a surprise when they see how the poll numbers continue to turn toward him if they do this.
ian crossland
Yeah, we're in a kind of a culture of victimhood where victimhood makes you powerful.
So I don't understand why they don't realize that victimizing Trump is going to make him more powerful or seem more powerful.
He's like relegated himself to the corner of the internet on his own social network.
Barely anyone hears from him.
He's, it's like radio silence. People are talking about DeSantis.
And yet this liberal media company, these people are still bringing him into the spotlight. It's
the same dumb thing they did in 2016 and got him elected. Hillary Clinton got him
elected because all she did was talk about him.
robby starbuck
There's some people who think that this is all so intentional
to boost him because they would rather face him in a general.
I tend to disagree with that.
I think that they're genuinely still so hung up on Trump, and they're still so incensed by him, and they're still so fearful of the idea of populism rising in America, that they're willing to do anything to take him down because of the idea he represents.
And I think that's what they really fear, you know.
And we'll see.
We'll see how it plays out here.
But I really think, just like Tim, they're going to indict him.
I think that there's no question they're going to do that.
And if it's not this, they're going to do it in Georgia with the Georgia case.
But there's a couple different prosecutors, all far left, who have this as basically the crux of their campaign was going after Trump.
One of them, if not multiple, and I tend to think it's going to be multiple, are going to drop indictments on him.
And I've been saying that for a long time.
I know Jack Posobacaz, I think you did too before on a show like six months or a year, maybe even a year ago, you said you thought they would indict him.
unidentified
Oh yeah, yeah.
robby starbuck
And so this is something, it was not a secret, we all kind of saw this coming that if you elect crazy people like this who campaign on this, one or two of them is going to go and actually do it.
And that's where we're at.
tim pool
And they'll make up whatever reason.
There doesn't need to be a reason.
robby starbuck
They don't need a reason.
In fact, it's better that it's this, when we're talking about the fire-starting method that they're kind of going after and causing division, than it is that it was a blatant murder on camera.
Because that wouldn't cause the type of division they seek to cause.
And that's Marxism at its core.
Dividing people has to happen because You've never seen Marxism or leftism thrive in a happy country.
It only comes to be in chaos.
So you have to create chaos.
It's why these Antifa people look like they're out of a Batman movie and you pulled them out of a mental institution and the Jokers brought them out.
And it's like, hey, you guys are going to work.
Let's go do this.
Because if you look, like, every time I see the Andy Ngo post where he's got like 40 Antifa people in a lineup, they look like they're out of Arkham Asylum every single time.
ian crossland
Dude, SSRIs all up in that.
Adderall, God knows what psychotropics they're on legally.
tim pool
And the funny thing is, we're living in a comic book story, man.
Trump is this billionaire who runs for president to try and fix the problem and fight back against a globalist elite, you know, and all that stuff.
And then you got the villains are literally getting elected with an evil billionaire's money and then releasing the criminals.
Imagine if you opened a Batman comic.
No, no, no, let's just say a Justice League comic.
And Batman is meeting with Superman.
Superman walks in and he's like, the alarms are all going off in the watchtower.
Superman's like, Batman, Bruce, what's happening?
And he goes, all over the United States, criminals are being released from their prisons.
unidentified
How?
tim pool
It's Luther.
He used his vast wealth to get a bunch of district attorneys into power, who then started releasing criminals on the streets, wreaking chaos.
And then the conflict of the story is like, how do you get these criminals back in jail when it was done through a legal process?
This is why I always like Lex Luthor as a villain.
Because he had the arc where he is a legitimate businessman.
I love the arc where he runs for president, does it legitimately, and Superman can't touch him.
That's what we're seeing with these Soros DAs, with the woke left politicians going after Trump in this way.
Releasing the criminals is as comic book villain as it gets.
robby starbuck
And we all know it's happening. I mean, come on. I want to know who are we in the comic book? You
know, that's an interesting question. But beyond that, you know, when you look at this, one of the
real problems is the weakness of the institutions on the right and the, you know, we'll call it the
Republican Party in general, but it's really sort of the old guard Republicans, because they can't
say they weren't warned.
They had people warning them this was going to happen, and they didn't even try to fight it.
They didn't even try to stop it.
They didn't try to put up some independent and fund them really well in these races.
They didn't try anything.
We were talking about this with Troy Nails yesterday.
He's a good dude.
And I feel a little bad because it was more like me getting angry and then kind of just yelling.
We can cut ads of them saying crazy stuff.
And the truth is, no, we're not living in that world anymore, guys.
You let communists into power and you let them destroy a country.
We're not talking about the ads for your next cycle because they said some crazy thing.
tim pool
We were talking about this with Troy Nails yesterday.
He's a good dude.
And I feel a little bad because it was more like me getting angry and then kind of just
yelling.
Because I'm like, instead of looking at what Democrats do to win, it's just this defeatist
mentality about the 2020 election being stolen.
And then that's when I brought up you, and I'm like, you know, I think it was Phil Labonte who was on the show, and he mentions Ronald McDaniel winning, with Harmeet Dhillon running for RNC chair.
Some real change.
After all this failure and defeat, they just keep doing the same thing.
And then I'm like, look at what the RNC does to Robbie Starbuck!
He's like this up-and-coming, very prominent, he's younger, everybody's super into him.
robby starbuck
Handsome?
tim pool
Handsome, you know?
Tall, very tall.
Strong, magnificent ponytail.
This guy should be a new voice in Congress, and the Republican Party removed you!
ian crossland
What happened with that?
What exactly happened?
robby starbuck
They decided that they wanted somebody else, and this is, I mean, this sounds so crazy to people, they can't believe it, because I've never heard of it happening before.
Like, I didn't even know this was a thing that was possible.
You can go run a race for over a year, you can win over the hearts and minds of people, you can be just killing everybody in the polls, and all of a sudden some people can get together and be like, Well, we've decided we don't want you to be the standard bearer of our party.
We think that could not be a good thing for us, so we're gonna go ahead and choose somebody else so you can't be on the ballot.
It's like, I thought I lived in America where people get to vote and decide who they want.
I went out there, we knocked more doors, we called more people, I did more events, I worked my tail off.
Other people didn't.
They hid in their houses, okay?
And they worked this machine behind the scenes to get the support of party bosses.
And then they go, oh, what's in the bylaws?
What secret rules can we pull out that people have no clue about and use that to get rid of somebody who we consider dangerous?
And I'll tell you this, personally, I personally think a big reason why what happened to me happened was because I spoke out so forcefully against big pharmaceutical companies and because everything was okay until that point.
But when I started to go after them over what was happening throughout this entire past few years and I started to really delve into how They were profiting on the backs of American people and on sickness and going into how we really need to look at changing things.
Because it's the reason why so many young people go over and get attracted by socialism and the ideas of healthcare for all and things like that.
Because we do have a sick care system, not a healthcare system.
And it's broken.
And we allow these big pharmaceutical companies to start right away.
You know, if you're a kid on TikTok, you're getting ads already for what medication you need because you have anxiety.
You know, they're already pushing this stuff from the earliest stage they can on everybody.
And we've allowed it for so long, and that is when they really started to get angry at me, is when I wouldn't let go about reforming some of these policies around big pharmaceutical companies.
unidentified
I think it was before that.
robby starbuck
It might have been, it might have been, but I personally attach it to that time.
unidentified
I think there's an old paradigm, a good old boy system, that is very much kiss the ring, you know, you play along to get along, you just do things a certain way, but that old paradigm doesn't work.
There's a new right of activists, and we won't survive not just as a party, but as, you know, our values, everything, if we don't raise up activists.
And Robbie's an activist, and so that doesn't fit into that old paradigm.
robby starbuck
Because that system, they want politicians.
They want you to talk to them in the back room about the real stuff, but then in front of people, or if you go on a show, they want you to have these perfectly coiffed... And I can do them.
I could give you guys political answers all night that, like, I'm saying nothing, meaning nothing, but it's an answer, technically.
And that's what they want from their politicians.
They want them to say nothing, mean nothing.
I want people where I know exactly where they stand.
I want to know if I hate them.
I want to know if I love them.
And I think that's what people deserve.
That's what our founders did.
You go back and read our founders, and I encourage every young person who's listening, go back and read their writings if you've never had.
These people were brilliant writers.
And you have to keep in mind when you read these, most of these people did not go to school.
They taught themselves how to write.
They taught themselves the art of language.
And you read their writing, it is the most brilliant.
It stands every test of time.
I mean, They could literally write about you going to the bathroom in a lake and it would sound exquisite, okay?
I don't know how they did this, but they pulled it off.
Read this and you see that these were forceful men.
These were men who had convictions.
They stood for something.
They were willing to die for it.
Where are those people today?
Where are our rebels?
We're the people who are rebel with a cause, not just somebody who's like, you know, hooked on drugs and do stupid things.
Somebody with a cause who says, I am willing to go all the way, I'm willing to die for what I believe in because it is so important.
We had those men once and it's the reason we're all sitting here, but not having those men is the reason why our children will not have the same opportunity unless we actually fix it, raise up a generation of activists.
tim pool
Jeffrey Witte in the chat mentioned they were all 24 years old.
Not all of them.
I think Benjamin Franklin was a bit older.
robby starbuck
Some of them were a little older.
unidentified
But some of them were as young as 18.
tim pool
Imagine being 18 and you own property and you're running a farm with a wife and you have a kid already.
robby starbuck
You signed the Constitution.
Declaration of Independence.
tim pool
You know, like, told the king, screw off, try me.
That's crazy.
I mean, those people had balls.
unidentified
Meanwhile, this generation's like, Well, look, look, here's the thing.
tim pool
Back in the day, the founding fathers, they didn't work, they didn't eat.
And so when the crown is pushing on them and taking from them, they're like, listen, I work every day to feed my family and then you come and you take no more.
It's the inverse now.
These millennials are like, look, every day I wake up and you provide.
So I will do whatever you say.
unidentified
Yep.
robby starbuck
Remind me again, too, when we talk about like the Boston Tea Party, the tax raise at the time, it was equivalent to like 2%?
Not even 2%, I think.
Somebody could look it up.
I want to give people the real number.
I don't know if you guys can look it up.
But it was tiny.
Now politicians throw around things all the time, like Biden the other day was, I want to add an extra 38%.
I want to add this.
I want to add... They want to tax everything.
These guys were willing to die for... What was it?
tim pool
It was a protest of the Tea Act.
To undercut the price of illegal tea smuggled into the British colonies.
Basically, it was going to make it so that they had to pay more for tea that came from the East India Trading Company.
robby starbuck
But it was like the equivalent of today, like less than 2% hike.
ian crossland
Was it just like the final straw of a bunch of things that have been building and building?
tim pool
It was the line.
So I don't think it was specifically about taxes.
its tea to North America and the right to the duty-free export of tea from Britain.
Although the tax imposed by the Townshend Acts and collected in the colonies remained
in force, it received royal assent.
So I don't think it was specifically about taxes.
I think it was about...
I mean, it was about taxes, but it was about...
What is it?
robby starbuck
The tax passing on the cost.
tim pool
86% of all tea in America was smuggled Dutch tea.
Right.
So all of a sudden the cost of tea was going to skyrocket because they were like, no, you now have to buy from this company because they're beleaguered and they need your sales.
robby starbuck
Yep.
tim pool
Or they need your purchases.
robby starbuck
And the skyrocket again is like around what would be equivalent to today, like a 2% hike, you know, in your overall cost.
Today, you know, they could propose a 50% extra tax on us and people just go along with their day and they're happy to scroll the phone and, like, no big deal.
Back then they were like, no, 2%?
We're gonna go die for this.
We'll burn the ships.
tim pool
I'm sorry, the Townshend Acts was a series of taxes and regulations to fund the administration of the British colonies in America and that was a tax hike that pissed everybody off because then tea became ridiculously expensive.
ian crossland
What year was that?
tim pool
Indirect tax on glass, leads, paints, paper, and tea, all of which had to be imported from Britain.
Then, when they were told, you now have to buy the East India Company's tea and you can't smuggle it anymore, it's like, well, now tea's expensive.
So they threw it in the harbor.
ian crossland
And what we got going on today is inflation, which is causing the price of goods to go up because of the supply chain problems and all other reasons.
So we can't blame them for taxing us, even though they've caused the costs to go up.
tim pool
We can.
unidentified
Me and Tim are like, yeah, we absolutely can blame them, yes.
tim pool
Yeah, look at the Federal Reserve.
I blame them for all of it.
robby starbuck
I think Tim and I are on the same monetary train, and we don't have enough people in Congress who are on the same train.
I think that the vast majority of taxes out there are blatantly criminal.
They're blatantly criminal.
We need a flat tax, if anything, that is just very easy, very fair, get rid of the IRS, just have a flat tax.
tim pool
I don't know if I'm on board with a flat tax, necessarily.
I'm closer to Steve Bannon on this one, but not as far as he goes.
Because Bannon wants a wealth tax, and I'm like, I'm not for that!
But, you know, Bannon's position is, the wealthy elites are ripping us off.
And they're rigging the game in their favor.
And I'm like, it's very populist of you.
I mean, it's like an Occupy Wall Street position.
He's like, well, it's true.
And so he's like, I'm all for the wax tax.
Well, wax tax.
Wealth tax.
robby starbuck
Tax the bikini waxes.
tim pool
Tax all these billionaires and take everything from them.
And I'm like, Okay, well, I don't go that far, but I'm somewhere in the middle, I guess.
And it's really funny that Bannon's got, like, a traditional liberal position on taxation.
robby starbuck
Well, I think that's actually—that's a lot of populists, and I tend to agree with him.
Here's the thing that I would tell conservatives who for a long time defended not raising taxes on somebody like Jeff Bezos.
Jeff Bezos hates you.
The billionaire class, they hate Republicans more than anything.
They hate populist Republicans.
They hate all Republicans, okay?
There's very few exceptions to that rule.
There's maybe three or four billionaires I know who are more conservative leaning.
All the rest that are very publicly well known.
They're extremely far left, and if they're not personally, they allow their image to be presented as such because it's beneficial to them.
So really, they have no values, which in turn, to me, means you're a leftist.
Because if you have no values, you stand for nothing.
You're allowing everything to happen that's happening with our culture and society being torn to shreds.
And so, I'm not going to go fight for these people.
I'm not going to go fight for Jeff Bezos to be able to keep more money.
This dude built his company on a crooked idea that Amazon, if you ran it at a loss for long enough, would build up enough of a market share to kill so many competitors that you suddenly hold so much market share that you can raise the prices on everything and nobody can really do anything because you're such a big business you're undefeatable at that point.
And that's what they've done.
He did a great job doing it.
He worked and gamed the system.
Beautifully in terms of success, but he gamed the American people at the same time.
That was not a true sort of presentation of capitalism.
Capitalism doesn't present as, hey, lose money for 15 years and then let's see what happens, you know?
Like, it's a perverted system of it.
And so people like that, I'm not gonna fight for him not have to pay more, but for your regular middle-class person, absolutely.
The amount we tax people is ridiculous.
tim pool
I want to jump to the next story, but I want to show you this New York Times article real quick, because the context is hilarious.
Make no mistake, the investigation of Donald Trump and the Stormy Daniels scheme is serious.
From March 21st.
Oh boy, that was just yesterday.
And then today we get a letter proving that it's all fake news and not real, and the New York Times should be very, very embarrassed for running a story like this.
robby starbuck
Who wrote this?
They deserve credit.
tim pool
This is Ryan Goodman and Andrew Weissman.
Idiots.
robby starbuck
Well, look, you know... They deserve to have their names out there.
tim pool
They're like a myriad of crimes possibly committed by Trump.
unidentified
Possibly.
robby starbuck
You know what, though?
You know what?
tim pool
Imagine watching Law & Order, sorry, and it's like, these are the possible stories that may have happened, we're not sure.
robby starbuck
We're pretty positive, okay?
tim pool
I don't know.
robby starbuck
I mean... It's loosely based on a true story that I thought up then added some details later.
No, but you know what?
On second thought, the headline actually is kind of accurate.
You know why?
It is serious, the idea that we're going to go indict former presidents for things like this, that truthfully, no normal person cares about.
Like, if this situation was turned around, be intellectually honest, let's pretend it's Joe Biden, okay?
Same situation, same details, same everything, same letter, all that.
I don't care.
There's much more serious reasons why I would want to go after Joe Biden.
His family selling out to China.
You know the evidence now that was released this week by congressional members who are Republican that show the bank statements showing that members of the Biden family got money from a Chinese entity that came straight from the Chinese government and it got spread across multiple members of the Biden family.
That I find more concerning.
I find that much more concerning.
Ukraine and getting the prosecutor fired?
I find that much more concerning.
Hunter Biden's laptop full of 300 plus crimes?
I find that more concerning.
I don't find a story like this, if this was going on with Joe Biden, I'd intellectually honestly be able to say, I don't care, we look silly doing this.
We better not do this.
I'm going to come out swinging against it because I'm not going to make myself look personally stupid.
But apparently Democrats don't have that value.
They don't have that chip in their head that goes, you know what, I don't want to personally be embarrassed by this.
I'm going to speak out against it.
They all go along with it.
They're willing to be just totally humiliated as long as it's for a greater cause in their brain.
And this is the greatest cause for them.
They've been wanting to indict him for years.
unidentified
I don't think they're humiliated, though.
I don't think they care.
I think that they—this is activism journalists.
I mean, it's not journalism, but this is state-run propaganda.
robby starbuck
Yeah, they may be incapable of humiliation.
unidentified
I mean, at some point, like, when do we admit that these mainstream, you know, propaganda pieces are—I mean, who are they effectively working for?
I mean, they're able to run stuff every single day, completely not factual.
They don't do retractions, but damage is already done.
Why do they do it over and over?
tim pool
They sometimes do retractions because they make money on that, too.
So you can write a news story, Ian Crosland does backflip and then everyone's shocked and they click it and it gets a million views and it's fake news.
Then the next day you write another story, apologies, Ian actually did a frontflip and then you try and milk the views.
The ad sales you get from that fake article, you don't give the money back.
unidentified
No.
robby starbuck
No.
And you know Ian is going to then post it and be like, look, I got them to apologize.
tim pool
Yep.
robby starbuck
And clicks come off that.
tim pool
It's a way of capitalizing both sides when they do.
And they don't always do it.
But yeah, major news outlet will write, Donald Trump punches dog and then get a billion views.
Then the next day write, we apologize for running the story.
Donald Trump did not punch dog.
And then the right shares the story and says, aha, this proves it.
They make money off both.
Amazing, huh?
robby starbuck
But here's the thing about it that's so dangerous is the side that first saw Trump punches dogs will always believe and never be disabused of the notion that Trump punches dogs.
They will always believe that.
And that's the danger in this system is that we've we've let it get to this point where it's just it's pure poison, you know?
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
I mean, what we've been talking about in terms of wokeness and the tribalism in the country is the social zombism of the left.
You've got a mix of people like we were mentioning earlier, Joe Walsh and Kinzinger, Cheney.
Who else were we mentioning?
Cohen.
robby starbuck
Cohen.
tim pool
These people who are like, I know it's bunk, but boy, I got to join the left because that's my ticket to making money.
robby starbuck
Yeah, that's their next ticket.
That's their next check.
tim pool
And the funny thing is the left argues it's the right that does that, and I'm like, okay, name me anyone who was a staunch leftist, who was a diehard liberal advocating and yelling Obama, who is now coming out and going Trump MAGA 2024.
Right.
There are some you could probably mention.
However, if you take a look at the people they tend to name, Dave Rubin, Dave Rubin was never, like, holding up big Obama signs.
He was just a default liberal.
He got into politics, said, hey, wait a minute, I didn't know that, and now he is where he is.
He's, like, kind of libertarian.
They say, he's grifting, you know, because he's been on the left.
It's like, no, no, no, no, you don't understand.
The average person, I think Breitbart called them default liberal.
They consume news from CNN and from the New York Times.
They assume it's true.
And then they're liberal because of it.
Then, when they start actually digging in and researching, they're like, hey, wait a minute, that was a lie.
That doesn't make them conservative.
It just means that they know what's going on in the world.
You take a look at these people who are on the right and on the left, and it's like, they had to choose to accept lies.
That's the thing we understand.
When we see a story like, here's a video of Joe Biden, and he's saying, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars.
And he says, you don't have the authority, call the president, ask him.
He outright tells in his story that he was accused of not having the authority to withhold loan guarantees from the United States, which is correct.
He does not have that authority.
And then when we tell people that, these default lib types, they're like, that's not true, that never happened.
ian crossland
Or it's not that big of a deal, I was told that.
tim pool
But the issue is they don't believe it happened.
They don't know it happened.
robby starbuck
That's the bigger problem.
tim pool
So here you are, you'll typically find that in what I refer to as the freedom faction, where we are, conservatives, liberals, disaffected liberals, libertarians, it's like, I saw what CNN said.
I saw what Breitbart said.
I saw what Fox News said.
Here's what I think happened.
When you look at the left, it's like, I watched CNN, and that's it.
So these people don't know anything.
The people on the right know both sides and then come to a conclusion.
Exemplified by a graph that I love showing off, liberals only consume liberal news, moderates consume 60% liberal, 30% conservative, and conservatives consume 30% liberal, 60% conservative, which makes sense.
Their worldviews are shaped by the information they consume, but moderates and conservatives are willing to listen to each other to figure out what makes the most sense.
Liberals don't do that.
They only consume left-wing sources.
robby starbuck
Tells you everything.
tim pool
Tells you everything.
Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks tweet that equity doesn't exist except in the minds of 12 leftists in the entire right wing.
And Bernie Sanders is correct.
We want equality of opportunity, not outcome.
That is the perfect example of what we're talking about.
He knows he's lying because every corporation in school has launched a diversity, equity, and inclusion office or officer.
How could it be that these things don't exist?
Yet Biden has an equity plan. Yet politicians talk about equity.
robby starbuck
Conola talks about it constantly.
tim pool
And then Jankier comes out and says, nope, never heard of it.
Because they know they're lying and they're just saying what they think they have to say to get clicks.
robby starbuck
If you had asked him the day before Bernie said that, where he took the position of equality, he would have
defended equity.
tim pool
Absolutely.
robby starbuck
No question.
tim pool
I bet you could find tweets from him from a year ago where he's like equity, equity, equity.
robby starbuck
I bet I'd take that bet.
I bet we could.
I bet we would find him 100% because they live and breathe this stuff.
You know what it does kind of remind me of though?
Every once in a while the left does this where they knowingly lie to your face.
about a failure of theirs, and they pretend it just never happened.
This happened with Latinx, okay?
tim pool
Yeah.
robby starbuck
All of us raged, like, I'm Latino.
I'm like, you're not calling me Latinx.
You guys are ridiculous.
And, you know, a lot of Latinos feel like it's a slur.
I wouldn't go that far because I feel like, really, things like, you know, the n-word, that's a slur.
I didn't get, like, personally crazy offended by it, but so many people do see it as a slur that I think it's, you know, kind of common sense.
Hey, leave that one alone.
People don't like being called it.
But they just kept going with it and they put it on every TV station It was like instead of Latino stories, which by the way is ludicrous.
Like I'm Latino.
We don't need our own section on Amazon This is Latino stories like just put movies up there.
Let people pick what they want I find it personally kind of imagine there being a white section like whites only section.
That's what they do for Latinos It's like they do it for the black history channel.
They do it for black folks as well and I just think It's actually really offensive.
Like, you know, I think it's kind of ludicrous.
You don't think we can find movies we like without you putting a Latino sign?
But they pretended this whole thing with Latinx, that this should be normalized.
And then once it failed and all the Latinos hated it and they started voting Republican, Democrats pretended it never happened.
They go, oh no, none of us said that.
None of us liked that.
We don't, you are Latinos, obviously.
I don't, this is a couple crazy people from college.
It's like literally the entire journalism changed.
The AP style guide changed to saying Latinx.
All of your different news outlets said it.
You had every single entertainment section in the country change from Latino to Latinx.
And it's only after your failures that you then deny reality and tell us, no, we're gonna gaslight you.
You're all crazy.
This never happened.
And that's kind of what I think they're going to do with equity because it's just so blatantly unfair and people are starting to understand how ridiculous it is.
That's their only option to go backwards.
tim pool
Check this out.
I just did a Google search.
NYU's Latinx project receives $1.3 million grant, but then below it, woke Latinx term isn't preferred by Hispanics and Latinos.
From Norfolk Daily News.
Amazing.
robby starbuck
You know, the white libs at NYU really prefer that term.
tim pool
Look at this one, New York Times.
Some Republicans want to ban Latinx.
These Latino Democrats agree.
Surprise, surprise!
The people who are actually being insulted are like, hey, stop saying that.
robby starbuck
Yeah, I mean, it was always so ludicrous.
We're talking about, like, literally the most gendered language and culture on the planet.
It is a very, like, I think maybe a lot of Americans don't fully get this.
Like, Latino culture is very macho.
And I mean that even with, like, the women love it.
You know, Latina women, they love the macho culture.
The men love it.
It's like one of those very gendered sort of deals.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
That's the culture.
You know, why everybody wants to find some fault within cultures is just kind of ludicrous to me.
Yes, are there people who are Latino who don't like that?
Sure, I'm sure there are.
But you know what?
The vast majority do, and that's just the general rule about the culture, and it's okay to recognize that.
tim pool
Latinx sounds like Kleenex.
robby starbuck
It does.
tim pool
It does sound like Kleenex.
And that's what a lot of people are like.
It's kind of just don't call people words that they didn't want to be called.
It's funny because the left is like, call me what I demand to be called or else.
Also, we're going to call you what we want to call you.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
It's a really weird, weird thing.
robby starbuck
It's a weird set of rules they have.
unidentified
They just recycle bad ideas and then rebrand them and then retract what they said that, you know... Yeah, whatever doesn't work.
robby starbuck
They just throw it against the wall and they're like, okay, that one worked.
They accepted transphobia.
Let's see if it works with Latinx.
unidentified
Well, there's no consistent foundation of values on the left.
That's why there is such, you know, fluctuations where on the right we didn't change our position.
We value freedom.
We don't want to, you know, chop children's genitals off.
We want, you know, low taxes.
I mean nothing changed in the mindset of people center to right, but the left is constantly changing.
They're the ones that want, you know, all-age drag shows.
They're the ones who want, you know, gender mutilation of children.
They're the ones who want pornography in school.
So there's no moral or value foundation that's shared that's consistent.
robby starbuck
That's There is one thing that changed on the right, and it also changed on the left.
The left used to be an anti-war party.
The right used to be a pro-war party.
That is reversing.
The normal people I meet out in rural states and everything, they don't want to get into another forever war.
They don't want to send their sons to die again for some, you know, elitist plot to go take some whatever natural resource from some other country.
They don't want to do it.
They're not going to fall for it again.
They don't want to spend their money there.
And the Democrats love war now.
I mean, they are...
Literally slobbering for war money.
And that's a big change in party politics.
Like, I think you go 10 years out, I don't think you can effectively be anti-war at all and vote for Democrats.
And I think it's going to be sort of similar.
tim pool
It's that way now.
It's that way now.
Let's jump to the story from the Daily Caller.
Quote, we're already in a civil war.
Billy Porter sounds off on anti-transgender legislation across the country.
This is an actor who appeared on The View and he said, we're already in a civil war.
It's a civil war of the mind.
They're trying to take your mind.
And I felt like that was him desperately trying to walk things back.
And it's because you have politicians around the country in these states banning the genital removal amputation of children by doctors under the guise of gender affirmation.
What I found interesting with this story It was just, what, two weeks ago that Jane Fonda called for murder of pro-lifers on The View.
So let me just ask you guys, The View, prominent morning talk show with millions of watchers, it's on network television, runs an episode where a prominent personality says, we need the right to abortion, gets asked, okay, well, aside from voting and protesting, what can you do?
She says murder, and then they laugh, and what did you say?
She said murder, and they're like, she's joking, everyone, she's joking.
And then a week or two later, a guy comes on and says, we're already in a civil war.
This is mainstream corporate network television advocating for murder and saying we're in a civil war.
At what point, you know, I feel like everyone thinks that a house fire starts.
By you sitting in a room, then boom, the house is just in flames.
Every single room is on fire.
And you're like, whoa, my house is on fire.
Like they don't realize that it could be a tiny little kindling on your curtains.
And you can watch it for five minutes as it slowly grows, and then 10 minutes, and then 20 minutes, and now the wall's on fire.
And now it's run away.
And then 10, 20 minutes later, now half your building gets consumed because exponential growth.
When we're watching network television advocate for murdering people for being pro-life, but haha, it's just a joke.
And then later, you get a guy coming out being like, we're already in a civil war.
At what point does someone just say, you know, the house is on fire.
We're in it.
It's been a couple years.
There's been violence.
It's on fire.
robby starbuck
Oh, I'll say it.
The house is on fire.
It is, it is.
It's kind of burning down.
It's not just like a kindling.
It's not just the wall.
We're at that point where we are close to having no united place for everybody to live under the same roof.
And we desperately need people to put down the flames if we want to be able to maintain that.
The question is, do we want to maintain that?
Do we want to live together?
You know, I'll tell Billy this.
My wife and I have proudly been a part of legislation we helped get passed in Tennessee to ban these transgender surgeries.
They're sex changes.
It's mutilation of somebody's genitals and to ban the hormone treatments for kids and puberty blockers.
So basically the law essentially is you have to wait till you're 18 to make decisions, okay?
I don't think that's too wild.
I think honestly if it was my personal opinion injected into it people would wait a lot longer or never have it done because I think that there's an underlying cause that really needs to be seen but In Billy's case, I will say this.
He loves to wear dresses, and I just have a general rule.
I have two rules.
One is I don't ever answer emails from people who put pronouns in their thing.
I don't care if they're offering me a million dollars, I'm not answering them.
The other one is I don't take advice or take seriously men who wear dresses.
Billy loves to wear dresses, so I'm just gonna disregard what he says, but in terms of what you said on the Civil War front, we're at that point where they have lit the fire.
tim pool
I'm wearing jeans.
robby starbuck
I'm okay with that.
Jeans are cool.
I'll listen to you.
Yeah, don't put a dress on.
tim pool
What about women wearing jeans?
They're cool, right?
robby starbuck
They're cool, yeah.
But you put a dress on, I am out.
And no, actually, I'll listen to Ian.
We'll put up a wall here.
ian crossland
I had a similar thought.
It wasn't that I didn't know he wore dresses, but I don't know who this guy is, so I'm not going to take him seriously.
I mean, a lot of people have a lot of opinions about us being at war, about the world ending, about horror and trauma.
I'm like, I don't give a fuck. It's not it's it's not some sort of established. It's the view
robby starbuck
It's them on the view with him going. Yeah, they've got By the way, when they said she was joking she said had her
face going. No, I'm not yeah, and she looks around like well
Well, no, I'm not and by the way, can we pull up pictures of him?
I don't know, I'm not, like, in control of this show, but if we can pull up pictures of his dress.
I would like to remind people, if we can get a picture of him and his dresses, that this is what the left takes seriously as an intellectual, okay?
They take seriously a guy like this.
tim pool
And look, I don't care.
The issue is, Their worldview is so different, there is no point at which we bring them together.
Look, the last thing we want is national divorce.
China would take over the world.
It's already happening.
They've got a deal with Russia.
The BRICS nations are talking about working with the Saudis.
You've got Saudi Arabia.
They're going to be trading oil and yuan.
We are losing.
It's happening.
Because we have You know what, man?
We've been defeated.
Put it simply.
China... No way.
unidentified
Dude!
robby starbuck
We are very close.
ian crossland
That's the fetus mentality is the defeat.
robby starbuck
We're on the precipice.
tim pool
We have a country run by a family that is doing deals with China.
ian crossland
They're not running it, though.
It's a banking establishment that's running it.
tim pool
Sure.
And China's winning.
And the petrodollar is failing.
And for better or for worse, America's standing as the unipolar power is done.
ian crossland
You could say winning, but I don't think it's done.
I don't think it's over.
I mean, definitely the liberal economic order... Yes, I believe the U.S.
tim pool
empire's done.
ian crossland
The liberal economic order, it's really the British Empire, but yeah, the U.S.
economic order.
robby starbuck
I think we have a chance.
tim pool
The United States will exist, it will continue, but what I see happening right now is TikTok, for instance.
Chinese company, and it's telling our kids, you're getting that dude who's saying, he does those videos where he's like, leave your parents.
robby starbuck
Jeffrey Marsh.
tim pool
Yeah, and he's like, I created a Patreon so that you can send messages to me privately, you know what I mean?
Disgusting.
And you get people like Dylan Mulvaney.
We went over Dylan Mulvaney's TikTok, and it's sad.
Because when he started making content, it's clear he was trying to figure out what would get him views.
Animal content, talking about Broadway, LGBT content, and then he made a non-binary video, million views.
Then he comes out as trans, three million views.
And from there, he's getting millions upon millions of views.
It's obvious all he wanted, in my opinion at least, was the attention.
In China, TikTok is science and education.
So what I mean to say is, when we've been defeated, is that the people who believe in America, the people who want America to be strong, are being fought from within by people who have no principles, no morals, and just want to win.
Nothing, apparently.
They want to castrate children.
They want to sterilize children.
They want to abort their kids.
They want the government to spend money indefinitely into oblivion for generating hyperinflation.
AOC's advocated for deficit-spending health care, which would just destroy the economy overnight.
And we're fighting with them instead of China, who's engaging in the Belt and Road Initiative, who's doing oil exploration for decades now in Africa and South America.
So I should say this.
It's not over yet.
Fine.
Fair point.
But China is doing all of these things.
Now, they do have economic problems.
It's not like we're doing nothing.
But China and Russia do a deal.
China's doing oil deals with Saudi Arabia.
What I'm saying is the domino has been flicked over to end the petrodollar and a unipolar world led by the United States.
And it's because our leaders are people like Joe Biden.
Donald Trump could reverse this.
And Donald Trump was doing it in the right way.
Securing our borders, bringing back jobs.
Uh, the economy was booming.
That's the right way to save America.
Joe Biden is flying on Air Force Two with his son to negotiate private equity deals while working for the U.S.
government and then getting his brother, uh, let me slow down, while overseeing the Iraqi invasion, the Iraqi invasion, his brother happens to get lucrative construction contracts.
I'll put it that way.
Or flying to Ukraine and engaging in an illegal quid pro quo to get a prosecutor fired who just so happened to be investigating a company his son was on the board of.
That's what we have in leadership right now.
So if China is expanding rapidly and doing these deals to subvert the United States, and internally we're just fighting each other, that's why I say we've been defeated.
ian crossland
Yeah, that would be the end, if we just fight each other as the ship sinks.
tim pool
And here's the point.
Billy Porter goes on The View and says, children should have their testicles removed surgically.
Why won't Republicans let us do this?
And to me, in my worldview, I'm like, are you people insane?
There is no logical reason.
Let me phrase it this way.
Let's take a logical assessment of what they call gender-affirming care.
A person comes to me and says that they will harm themselves and their own life unless a doctor surgically removes their hand.
Do you know what we would do to that person?
It's called a 5150.
They get placed on a temporary psychiatric hold to make sure they don't harm themselves.
Amanda Bynes was walking around Los Angeles naked, and she got put on a 5150.
And she wasn't hurting anybody.
She was just naked.
Then you get these people who come out, and they've been saying it for years, if we don't amputate the genitals of these children, they'll kill themselves.
And I'm like, well, I don't care if they're kids or adults.
Anybody who threatens that, you put them on a psychiatric hold to make sure they don't hurt themselves.
You don't amputate their body parts.
robby starbuck
That was the number one argument against the bill we got passed in Tennessee, was we had these people come in and say, basically, you guys want to kill children.
We're like, okay, first of all, that is insane.
But secondly, What other thing do we operate under this assumption where we say, oh, we're going to let patients dictate care as long as they go and threaten us with suicide?
And what are we teaching kids about the future?
Are we teaching these kids that if they have a, let's say, boyfriend or girlfriend who threatens to commit suicide, that they need to do whatever that person says and stay with them to prevent their suicide?
Because suddenly you're responsible for the bad behavior or bad actions of other people.
And what do we do if it's a kid with anorexia?
Because by the way, anorexia has a higher suicide rate.
Then these kids who say they're trans.
And so do we say, you know what, kids with anorexia, we're going to go ahead and give you liposuction.
We're going to give you lap band.
Because that's suddenly going to make everything better.
If we mutilate you further and destroy your mind further, that's going to suddenly possibly make a couple of you happy.
No, we would never do that.
We understand how damaging that could be.
And so we have a responsibility as adults to tune out threats.
No good parent listens to their kid throw a tantrum and goes, I'm going to give in now.
Because you threatened to do something.
tim pool
Some do.
And this is the point that I've made.
robby starbuck
I said good parents.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
Some parents do.
I've explained the woke stuff as the mother in the ice cream shop and the kid screaming, I And the mother's going, okay, okay, please, just please stop yelling.
Oh, you're yelling in my ear.
Oh, please give him ice cream.
ian crossland
I had a personal experience where I dated a girl that was suicidal and I tried to be there for her.
You can't, at least from my experience, it wasn't effective.
It couldn't stop it.
She tried to kill herself.
There's nothing I could do about it.
I just had to live my life.
And it was like, of course, me going and living my life was the day she did it.
But that doesn't mean that it wouldn't have happened if I just sat there crying in the room next to her, waiting for her to figure it out one day.
You can't, man, and it's not your fault if they do that.
robby starbuck
All you can do is love people, give them the tools, and sometimes loving them means doing
hard things and things they may not like, you know? And I think that's the truth of it. And
I think what Tim said is absolutely true. If you have a child who's genuinely threatening to commit
suicide, if you don't chop off their genitals, you need to get them psychiatric care and you
need to get it to them urgently. Instead, they're affirming all of it.
tim pool
it.
Body dysmorphia is a real thing.
I brought it up on the Rogan podcast with Dorsey and Vijay Gade.
I've done the research on it.
I'm like, there are people who will stage accidents to get body parts amputated.
There was one story I read about a guy who cut a tree down and then, as it was falling, he put his arm under it so that it would crush his arm to force an amputation because he wanted his arm removed and the doctors would not do it.
Is the argument that if, you know, you get like Whoopi Goldberg and she's like, we're going back to this and holds up a hanger.
Are you gonna get someone who's like the body dysmorphic community being like, if they don't legalize our right for healthy adaptations.
robby starbuck
We're gonna get the chainsaws.
tim pool
Yeah, we're gonna get the hatchets and we're just gonna, we're gonna go back to this and holds up a hatchet.
unidentified
What about a 13-year-old girl that says, I want breast implants?
If it makes her feel better, is that what we're saying?
Oh, you're entitled to plastic surgery if it makes you feel better?
robby starbuck
Should the state pay for it?
unidentified
I mean, the majority of kids suffering from gender dysphoria have comorbidities, mental health comorbidities, or they're autistic, or they're female.
I mean, and a lot of them have sexual trauma, and they don't screen for that.
They fast-track them to hormones.
You can get put on hormones your very first visit at a Planned Parenthood.
And without parental consent.
So this is not, this is completely based on crackpot science.
This is not based on helping the child that needs help.
Clearly they're suffering, but they're not getting mental health care.
They're getting mutilation care, you know, hormones, puberty blockers.
They're getting this destructive, you know, quote-unquote health care that Yeah.
puts them on a lifetime chain to big pharma.
They will never get off of those drugs.
ian crossland
I always mention talk therapy as a valuable way in and out and around this whole process for kids.
Because psychiatrics is one thing, but just doping them up isn't necessarily
gonna make the thoughts change.
unidentified
That's been the standard protocol.
That's what stood the test of time.
That children have been suffering from these issues at a much lower rate, you know, given without the social contagion we have today.
But gender dysphoria has always existed.
People insecure their bodies.
Every teenager goes through a phase where they're finding their identity and struggling.
And especially with the COVID lockdowns, everything kids are going with social media, they're having highest rates of depression, suicidality, anxiety, eating disorders.
All of these issues compounding the fact that they're being You know, push this nonstop feed of gender propaganda.
tim pool
I want to jump to the story from spectator.org.
Does Jazz Jennings regret transitioning?
They tried to make Jazz the example of how amazing gender transition is.
All they did was show how bad it is.
I want to say a few things as we start.
I genuinely and sincerely hope Jazz finds happiness and health and safety.
And I feel really bad for Jazz Jennings.
unidentified
She was lied to.
tim pool
I think that Jazz is the victim of very serious parental abuse, child abuse.
The parents are abusing Jazz.
And I'm going to play a video for you guys, which you may find disturbing.
However, it aired on TLC.
And because it airs on cable television nationwide, I would make the argument that YouTube has no standing to take any issue with the video I'm going to play for you.
Nothing in it is graphic, except for the statements made by Jazz Jennings' mother, who threatens to, I'm just gonna say it, forcefully insert a lubricated dilator into the pelvic wound of her child.
On cable television says, and if you don't, I will wring your neck.
Tell me this is not child abuse and how this is on television.
And then we'll talk about the issue of Jazz.
And I believe Jazz Jennings desperately needs state intervention.
I'm not a big statist.
I'm a little statist.
I think there should be some... I'm not an anarchist.
I think the state is okay to a little bit.
All right?
And this is one of the instances where I think the state needs to intervene.
Jazz is an adult at this point.
ian crossland
Yeah, she's 23.
Just about 22.
tim pool
The state needs to take Jazz away from these people.
I'm gonna play you this clip, and there's two of them actually.
This is disturbing, you've been warned.
jeanette jennings
With her, I'm worried about, like, her mental well-being and her dilation.
The minute she leaves my house, we have a dilation problem.
unidentified
That is a concern.
When you don't have that watchful eye, they tend to go back to old patterns.
jeanette jennings
I have woken Jazz out of a dead sleep and taken the dilator and put the lubrication on it and said, here, you take this and you put it in your vagina.
If not, I will.
But Jazz is bad, even when I'm home once a day.
I would be so mad if she goes away to college and that thing seals up.
I would wring her neck.
Can you imagine?
tim pool
I will wring her neck if she doesn't.
So the story here is that Jazz Jennings is not using a dilator.
For those that aren't familiar, a dilator is a tool that trans women use to spread the wound that is created to simulate a vagina.
It's called the neovagina.
robby starbuck
And they have to do it forever?
tim pool
Forever.
to prevent the closure of the wound.
When you get a slash wound, the wound attempts to close itself.
So when they did surgery on Jazz to create its facsimile, it's... I don't know how you would scientifically describe it.
A wound with surgically grafted stomach lining to simulate a sexual organ.
They call it a neovagina.
But it's not a vagina, so I don't think that makes sense to say.
Jazz is not doing this.
For whatever reason, Jazz does not want to do this.
So the mother says, she wakes Jazz up in the middle of the night, takes the dilator, lubricates it, and says, stick it in or I will.
That is horrifying.
And then she says if she goes off to college and doesn't do this and it closes up, I will wring her neck.
Could you imagine?
How is that not a threat of very serious abuse to say that you will take that you wake up in the middle of night with an object you demand be inserted into your child's Cavity, and that you will choke them if they don't do it.
robby starbuck
It's monstrous.
ian crossland
But Jazz is 22, so is it just, they're just an abusive relationship that's totally legal and everything's... It's not, it's not.
tim pool
Look, there's, there's spousal abuse.
There's parental abuse.
If a man was waking his wife up in the middle of the night with an object and lubricating it and saying, you better stick this in or I will do it myself, that would be spousal rape.
And you would go to prison for that.
ian crossland
Is it a concern that if it does seal up that it will get infected and the jazz can die from sepsis or something?
robby starbuck
It's that you may have to have a surgery again, but it'll get infected and have problems regardless, like Lanon said.
But no, the real concern is that it'll close up and then you have to have the surgery again.
And the real question that should have been asked is, hey Jazz, do you regret this surgery?
ian crossland
Yeah.
robby starbuck
There's a reason she's not using the dilator.
unidentified
Why are you letting it close up?
It's painful, there's reoccurring infections, and she clearly doesn't want the successful surgery that is not successful.
Four.
tim pool
Four surgeries.
robby starbuck
She was lied to.
tim pool
So here you have a human being, Jazz, Clearly not wanting to do this and a mother Forcing her to do it with a threat of violence.
Let me let me play this clip for you from from from the show as well So, um, are you feeling like you wanted to start talking about Are you okay?
unidentified
I'm okay.
I'm gonna cry You know I can't get out of my head.
I know.
jeanette jennings
No, listen.
unidentified
It just doesn't stop.
jeanette jennings
It's okay.
Give me a hug.
unidentified
It's okay.
jeanette jennings
I know what you're going through.
We've been there before.
unidentified
No, it still doesn't stop now, and I'm already going back to negative.
The more you're talking about yourself, it gets harder.
jeanette jennings
You're digging in, and it's making you put a magnifying glass on what's already difficult as it is.
So this is hard for you, I know, and we don't want to push you anymore.
unidentified
And I know I'm the one doing it.
jeanette jennings
I know.
You're your own worst enemy.
ian crossland
Oh my god, that mom's a psycho.
tim pool
You're your own worst enemy.
unidentified
You're the one doing it.
I feel tired all over the place and like my mind is very cluttered and not clear.
And I really want to have that clarity.
I really want to understand myself and be able to read my own soul and what I want.
And it's just very challenging.
I think I'm kind of breaking down a little bit and spiraling into negativity.
I just want to feel like myself.
Like that's it.
jeanette jennings
I don't care.
unidentified
All I want is to be happy and feel like me and I don't feel like me ever.
tim pool
I don't feel like me ever.
Do you know that Jez Jennings has also started dating women?
robby starbuck
Yeah.
And that should not be shocking to people.
tim pool
I believe Jez Jennings is suffering from gender dysphoria.
robby starbuck
A thousand percent.
And I think probably deep down experiencing regret over the surgeries that they've had
and the hormones they've had.
tim pool
I don't know if regret is the right word because regret to me would signify Jez making a decision
then later on saying, I should not have done that.
robby starbuck
I think manipulated into thinking that she made a decision.
Because the truth is, this looks more like Munchausen by proxy to me, where a mom has absolutely lost it and started putting their own problems and need for attention on their child, played it out through the child, helped push and inch them in different directions towards something they wanted that they knew would produce attention, And now we're continuing the cycle of abuse to continue the attention, and the child at this point buys it and is also at the same time experiencing the real emotional problems.
tim pool
I know it's my fault.
That's crazy.
The mom saying, you are your own worst enemy.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's abuse.
To put that into a child's mind and tell them, you know your problem?
When you think about things, you take a magnifying glass and obsess over it.
It makes the kid crazy.
It makes them do that thing.
Jazz needs to get away from this one.
robby starbuck
Yes, Landon said something to me before where she has seen this clip and she said imagine if this was a boyfriend talking to what we have two daughters out of our three kids imagine if it was a boyfriend talking to one of our daughters treating her like this saying you're your own worst enemy and she's blaming herself there it's all my fault I know it's all my fault you know this is not okay in any context you know like the the behaviors we see here are very clearly manipulative Well, look, there are certain circumstances where I would tell someone it's their fault.
tim pool
If someone is getting upset, and there was nothing to be upset about, and I'm like, okay, maybe there's, I typically don't defer to chemical imbalance, but I usually tell people, hey, look, start exercising, start eating healthy, you'll probably see your mood improve.
With Jazz, the reason I think it's so egregious that the mother is saying, you are your own worst enemy, is that it's the mother that did this to Jazz.
And Jazz is saying, I don't feel like me, I don't feel like me.
ian crossland
It's because the mom is trying to brainwash you and make you think like her, dude.
Get out of there, Jazz.
tim pool
I want to say this.
I will take credit for this.
For all of the things the left wants to make fun of me for, for getting wrong or whatever, because I get things wrong, fine.
I predicted all of this years ago.
What happened was, when Jazz was a child, Jazz said that they were attracted to boys.
Then around 13 or 14, on the TV show and whatever that came out, jazz was now pansexual.
And I said, what does that mean?
That means jazz has found an attraction to females.
That's the only explanation.
robby starbuck
Right at the age where boys start to have an attraction to females.
tim pool
And then I said, when I covered this, I'm willing to bet that in a few years Jazz will be considered a trans lesbian.
Jazz will want to date women.
Because Jazz is a male who is finding attraction to females.
Below, we are now seeing on the show, Jazz has begun dating women.
Saying like, there was something weird about dating the guys and want to try something
else, maybe that's the right thing.
Imagine just having your parents do this to you, taking away your ability to have a family,
telling you it's your fault, and the things you're feeling are your fault.
robby starbuck
All the time.
tim pool
But I want to stress this.
The psychological stuff, you want to have an argument about it, fine.
You want to say, no, no, you don't understand, she's trying to support her trans kid, okay.
Waking your child up in the middle of the night with a lubricated dilator and saying stick it in or else is the most psychotic thing ever and that woman should be
arrested for it.
robby starbuck
Monstrous, monstrous. And that exposes the lunacy behind this entire charade.
This is abuse. It has always been abuse. It's why we've done what we've done to ban it in our state.
I'm very proud of the state of Tennessee and our legislature and our governor for getting that
into law, setting a standard in these other states who this week have started to do the
same thing I know Georgia did. There's other states we've been working with legislators to
introduce these laws and get them passed. And I think we're going to make this the norm in every
red state. We're going to make sure every red state gets these laws on the books and prevents
these situations so that we don't see more jazz Jennings situations in the future. And instead,
we see healthy kids who got talk therapy and were then able to reverse the gender dysphoria.
And be in love with the person that they were born to be, the natural person that God created.
And that's why Landon does her organization, Freedom Forever, because we need people fighting for these kids.
tim pool
So we have this real quick from SoapDirt.com.
I'm not super familiar, but while Spectator.org does briefly mention that Jazz Jennings went on a date with a woman, this article actually goes into detail in February about Jazz Jennings wanting to date women.
and uh... talking about going speed dating having troubles and then finding a connection with women surprise surprise the biological male of which ninety eight percent find connections with women has found a connection with women so my my my view on this was If you have a kid and you think that kid is trans, well, you've got about a 98% chance that kid is not.
99.97% chance that kid is not.
Is that a bet you want to make on putting that kid through irreversible surgeries and hormone therapies in the event this kid is now 20 years old, crying, depressed, morbidly obese, binge eating?
Jazz was supposed to go to school, college, a long time ago and did not because of severe depression.
What I think My view.
I'm not a psychologist, psychiatrist, no idea.
I think Jazz has these feelings inside but knows, because of the TV show, because of the book, because of Jazz's family, they can never come out and say it.
Just like a young gay man is scared to come out and tell his family that he's gay because
of what society demands of him, because of what he expects, he thinks his family expects
of him, Jazz doesn't want to come out as detransitioner or straight male.
unidentified
You are a thousand percent right.
Her entire identity has been built upon this, you know, and that's the whole reason that
she is so depressed is she's never been given proper health care.
The message from the beginning is that you're born in the wrong body.
Imagine like just the trauma that that causes a child to be told something's wrong with
You were born in the wrong body.
You know, that sets up a child on a lifetime dependency of external validation.
So she's talking about her soul.
Clearly she's searching for an identity and meaning beyond the superficial identity, the woke, you know, gender identity, your sexuality.
They're gonna say, oh, just experiment with your sexuality, experiment with your gender, and have surgeries, and get on the blockers, all of these things.
And that path just is a path to self-destruction.
Lifelong dependency on big pharma.
There is only one reason to perform a penile inversion vaginoplasty on a minor.
Jazz was 17 years old when this surgery was performed.
It is to create a wound that a male can insert his penis into for sexual pleasure.
That's the proper term for what is happening to these children.
tim pool
There is only one reason to perform a penile inversion vaginoplasty on a minor.
Jazz was 17 years old when this surgery was performed.
It is to create a wound that a male can insert his penis into for sexual pleasure.
That's it.
robby starbuck
That's it.
tim pool
Jazz cannot feel any pleasure based on the hormone blocker treatments.
That is a statement made by the doctor who treated Jazz.
That they need to slow down on what they're doing because these young males who undergo these treatments lose sexual function and feeling.
unidentified
Right.
robby starbuck
Sexual abuse.
tim pool
So Jazz, one of the reasons Jazz probably does not want to dilate at all is because it serves no legitimate function for Jazz's life other than to let a man And feminists are standing up for this.
robby starbuck
The left-wing feminists are standing up for this.
We're going to make somebody do this for the pleasure of men, for a man, and let that man also pretend to be one of us and pretend that this should be a normal thing for women to do this.
tim pool
Because this grafted wound will provide no pleasure for a woman.
robby starbuck
Nothing.
In fact, for women, Isn't this whole idea of creating a vagina out of a penis kind of, I mean, I've never actually asked you, isn't it offensive?
unidentified
Absolutely.
Everything about this is about the erasure of women.
My womanhood is not a construct.
We are a class of people.
And everything from the woman face that's happening to the erasure of our actual, you know, identity and calling us cis people, birthing persons, breasts or chest feeders is so incredibly demeaning.
So it absolutely, like, it's an assault on womanhood as well.
But I was just thinking about, you know, the puberty blockers is something that doesn't get talked about enough.
The chemical castration.
What do you think a boy would choose to do if their penis shrivels up?
Because that's what happens when you get put on puberty blockers as a male.
If you have no penis that does not grow from puberty, you're going to opt to cut it off because you're working with nothing.
In some cases, can't even get an erection the rest of your life, let alone have an orgasm or any of these things.
So they're already castrating them.
tim pool
But these kids don't know anything.
unidentified
They don't.
tim pool
No, they don't.
Look, if a person was an adult and said, you know, I'd like to undergo something, I'd be like, well, okay.
You're an adult, fine, whatever.
However, there's still considerations to be made, like if someone came to me who's 30 years old and said, I want my hand removed, we'd probably say no to that.
But these children... Here's the thing I see about Jazz Jennings.
The reason I said I think Jazz is suffering from gender dysphoria is because Jazz is a male in a pseudo-female body and probably wants to be male, hence gender dysphoria.
Jazz, as a small child, was never a man.
Jazz was always just a pre-pubescent boy who underwent surgery and hormone therapies to
become the facsimile of a woman and prevent male development.
So there's no point at which Jazz could truly know what it is to be a man and want to be
a woman.
They're doing this thing where they're taking a child and saying, look at a woman, look
at a man, which one do you want to be?
And it's like, I guess that one?
It's like, okay, we'll get the surgery ready.
Well, then sure enough, Jazz reaches the adult age and something goes terribly wrong.
robby starbuck
Yeah.
ian crossland
Jazz is really intelligent.
Oh, that's overthinking Jazz.
That comes from your mind being too smart.
It's just your environment.
Your mom has been way too pushy.
Like, just gotta free your mind, babe.
tim pool
What do you think happens when I Am Jazz gets canceled?
robby starbuck
Oh, I think she will absolutely start to explore the truth.
unidentified
Spiral.
robby starbuck
So I think what you said about the show is absolutely true, that the whole reason she has not expressed feelings, that I'm, I feel like, this is again my opinion, I feel like the same thing that you're feeling, like that she regrets, or Jazz regrets this, and is starting to look at, I made a big mistake in my life, I actually do feel like a male, and is questioning what to do.
My thought is, is that When this all comes crashing down, they are going to turn around and start to call out the abusers and the people that lied to them.
Because I'll give you an example.
Chris Beck.
Are you guys familiar with Chris Beck?
He's a Navy SEAL, served 13 tours overseas, became the first special operator who came out as trans, did a whole special on CNN.
He then came out on my podcast as detransitioning many years later.
And this just happened this year, story went crazy.
And Chris, you know, I talked to him a lot about this.
And essentially, you know, the book deal and the book being out there and the coverage and everything made it very difficult to turn around.
And it was bravery.
That made him turn around and tell the truth about what happened and how the military was really just out of control with this whole thing.
I mean, if you hear the whole story, it's insane.
I mean, it was first appointment, within 20 minutes he was given hormones, okay?
A doctor that worked with the government convinced him to write a book to make money on being transgender to help normalize transgenderism.
And the media helped sell it to sell the idea that even the most masculine men can question their gender and become women.
You know?
And it all worked.
I mean, this laid the groundwork for where we are now.
And now, that very person they used for propaganda is now today the person standing up saying, do not let this happen to children.
I needed to speak up because this is torture what this did.
These kids don't deserve it.
And doing it from a place of love.
You know?
He's speaking up because he doesn't want anybody to get hurt.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm thinking about if someone made a YouTube channel about cutting your hand off, and they cut their hand off, and they're like, kids, you can do it too.
Don't tell your parents.
If you don't feel like you don't have a hand already, that's okay.
Just cut it.
Like, that person I would consider a danger to society, and I would want them at least taken off TV, not because I hate them, because I want to protect the kid.
tim pool
I don't want kids to start And what about school teachers doing it?
Saying, remember, don't tell your parents you want to remove your hands.
robby starbuck
Prison.
tim pool
We will go to your doctor and we will get your hand chopped off, but don't tell your parents.
unidentified
Speaking of prison, I mean, they don't just want to normalize this.
They actually want to take children from parents who refuse to use the pronouns, affirm their, you know, delusions from the parents.
State kidnapping.
That's already happening.
We already have bills in Minnesota right now to, you know, have the state kidnapping done.
If you do not affirm a child, your child can be taken from you in the United States of America.
That's where we're at.
ian crossland
What did you guys do in Tennessee?
You got a bill passed, but what exactly does the bill lay out?
What got changed?
robby starbuck
You have to wait till 18 to get any of these surgeries, to get the hormones, to get the puberty blockers.
We're not going to stop the natural development of a child in the state of Tennessee.
We're not going to go and mutilate their bodies with hormones, puberty blockers, or these surgeries.
These kids are innocent children of God, whether they believe in it or not.
Even if you don't believe in that, you're an innocent child.
We are not going to allow them to be mutilated in our state.
And that's what we put in the code, is that's not going to happen anymore in the state of Tennessee.
You are going to have to wait until you're an adult to make these decisions.
I may personally disagree with it at that point and think that it is unwise.
And I lean more in Tim's territory, honestly, where I see it the same way as somebody asking to chop their arm off.
And I think it's unethical and it should be something that's banned in medical practices.
And I think, honestly, we should go further with it.
tim pool
I didn't go that far.
robby starbuck
Well, I'm going further.
I think it really should end up there personally, but I understand the nuance of law and where we have to be at and the ability to, you know, have these laws stand the test of time.
And I think that that's a barometer that everybody can live with, that you have to wait till you're an adult to do this.
tim pool
I do, however, think that perhaps it's time to start having that conversation about just not allowing transgender surgeries at all.
Or treatments.
The reason being, like I said, if someone comes to you and says that they want to remove a body part, we typically say, no, you can't do that.
But there is only one dysmorphic disorder that results in affirmation and it's transgenderism.
I mean, there are issues of people getting tons of surgeries.
That's why I'm not at that point where I would advocate for outright banning it for all ages.
Because there are people who get lip splits and tongue splits and I'm like, well, if you're an adult, man.
So I suppose there really is a deep challenge.
robby starbuck
Yeah, on the legal front, I understand we went as far as I think you can go, which is saying wait till an adult.
On a moral front, I morally feel like people have a duty and responsibility to not participate in this because it's the abuse of human beings.
And frankly, we're talking about human beings who have very serious problems and the true empathetic thing to do is deal with the trauma, not cut an appendage off, you know, not cut their genitalia, not drug them.
You know, and if we're not dealing with the actual problem, and an adult can go into one of these hormone offices and say, I think this will fix my problems, and a doctor just says, yep, here you go, here's your life-changing, not in a good way, adding side effects, drugs, that are not even labeled for this purpose, they're not even meant for this purpose, okay?
ian crossland
What drugs?
robby starbuck
The puberty blockers are not even meant for this and Lupron's not meant for this.
Even the actual testosterone and estrogen in many cases have not been tested for long periods of time for this use of transitioning somebody from a biological state of being a biological male to a woman over a long period of time.
to do this in a double blind way that's not looking at some sort of, you know what they love to do is convenience sampling.
For people who've never heard of this, this is where you put together a group of people on purpose who you know are going to affirm the desired result you want.
This happens all the time in this area of medicine.
So if there's anybody who's confused and they're thinking about this, look at everything across the board and look out for convenience sampling where they lie.
tim pool
I was wondering where the synthetic testosterone comes from.
Do you know where synthetic testosterone comes from?
ian crossland
Bull testicles.
robby starbuck
No.
Why did we both think that?
unidentified
Rose petals.
tim pool
Good guess.
What do you think?
How do they get it?
How do they synthesize testosterone?
From what?
No guess?
robby starbuck
From a nut?
tim pool
It is often derived from plant sources such as soy.
Okay, it says yams or soy.
Yeah, this is from yourwellnesscenter.com.
It says testosterone is synthesized in a medical laboratory often from plant sources such as yams or soy is engineered to match the same exact chemical structure that is already being produced naturally by your body.
This enables it to perfectly mimic the original source.
How about that?
robby starbuck
I didn't know that.
tim pool
I thought it was like horses or something.
ian crossland
Soy is known for its estrogen content, or at least hormones.
tim pool
Well, you can isolate anything, I guess.
That's wild.
unidentified
I wonder where the majority of puberty blockers are made.
If they're made here or China, because I know a lot of our pharmaceuticals come from China.
tim pool
Have you ever heard the story of the Radon Girls, I think it was called?
robby starbuck
No.
tim pool
Do you want to look that up real quick?
I think it was called the Radon Girls.
robby starbuck
I was going to add, by the way, what you said about TikTok.
So Landon and I are actually going to a rally tomorrow, a TikTok rally in D.C.
with a bunch of members of Congress.
And the reason why is this is not just an app.
This is a weapon from China.
tim pool
The Radium Girls were working in watch factories and they were taking radium paint.
That could make watches glow.
And it was this hot thing at the turn of the century, early 1900s.
And so you'd have a watch that would glow in the dark.
But the radium was very radioactive.
These women would paint their teeth with it.
So when you turn the lights off and smile, you'd see their glowing teeth.
And then within a few years, their jaws would swell up with cancer.
Their mouths would fall off.
Literally, their mouths would break and fall off.
Their jaw would fall off.
Their teeth would fall out of their mouths.
Their heads would enlarge.
I think about stuff like that.
And then I think about Jazz Jennings, because I was looking at that video thumbnail, and I'm like, radium girls, what is it, thalidomide, asbestos, lobotomies, I think in a hundred years they're going to look back and be like, how barbaric.
robby starbuck
These people were barbarians.
tim pool
They used to drink mercury to try and cure syphilis.
The idea was the mercury would kill enough of your body that the syphilis would die off
and then you'd slowly try and come back from it.
ian crossland
That's key, a lot of chemotherapy does that.
We're gonna kill the cancer and a bunch of stuff along with it.
Yeah, why don't you try and heal the body instead?
tim pool
Well, I mean, because if we don't know how to do it, the best we can is that, I guess.
ian crossland
Kill the necrotic stuff.
tim pool
But the issue is, Jazz Jennings, I don't believe, was ever a human being who went to a doctor saying,
I am distressed.
I'm the wrong gender.
I'm the wrong gender.
Jazz was three years old when their parents said, you're actually a girl, and Jazz said, kay.
ian crossland
And Jazz is brilliant.
Intellectually smart person.
You can tell by listening to her for like ten seconds that she's got a brilliant mind that's all over the place, unfocused, and unfortunately a mother that's like, Provoking pain within her, it seems like.
I'm blaming you, mom.
You did this to her.
robby starbuck
Sick.
unidentified
And you know what?
For the record, if anybody hears this or gets this message to her, Freedom Forever will help her.
If she wants that care, we want to be a lifeline for her.
Because I don't know if anybody's offered that, but we will provide resources for survivors of medical exploitation of this gender ideology.
ian crossland
Freedom Forever, what is it?
unidentified
FreedomForever.us.
That's my non-profit combating all forms of child exploitation.
So if she wants help, we are here for her whenever she needs it.
ian crossland
How would she contact you?
unidentified
She can go to the website, freedomforever.us, or people can at her and say, you know, contact us, or if you ever need help, we will help you.
tim pool
Think about this, though.
There was a post in 2016 that someone took a post, a coming out story, what it was like coming out to their parents as gay, and they changed gay to Trump supporter.
And it was funny because a bunch of Trump supporters were like, wow, that's hilarious.
It was saying kind of generic things like, I'm worried what my parents will think if they find out that I'm, insert voting for Trump, my parents are really against this, they watch the news all the time and their views are very much blah blah blah, and my friends will be mad at me and I'm worried what people will think.
I thought that was funny.
I want you to imagine what it'd be like, Robbie, if you came out tomorrow with an Antifa shirt on and just said, I have been lying, I am Antifa 100%.
What would your friends say?
What would your colleagues say?
You know, it would be very stressful for you, right?
robby starbuck
They would say, honestly, I think they would all laugh and be like, come on, Robbie, nobody believes that.
tim pool
But like, if you came out And seriously told all of your closest friends and family that something they believed to be true was no longer true.
robby starbuck
Yeah.
tim pool
If Jazz were to come out on TV to family and friends and sponsors, I'm a guy, this was a mistake.
That would completely destroy everything Jazz has.
robby starbuck
I think it would destroy this whole thing that's going on right now.
tim pool
I think she's... No, no, no.
Okay, okay, yes, yes.
But my point is just that Jazz will not do it.
unidentified
She might.
She might.
robby starbuck
I pray that Jazz is brave enough to do it and be the person that they were born to be and to embrace it and to let people love you back to life because here's the thing.
Sometimes I do think people on our side can be guilty of reacting really harshly to some of these people as they get older and it's because we start to forget These are people who were abused as children and in many cases have sexual traumas from being raped.
And we do have to have some form of empathy to the trauma that these people have experienced.
And with somebody like Jazz, some people are mad because they say, well, Jazz helped normalize this whole thing and it's hurt other people.
Well, I blame her parents for that, frankly, and the doctors who lied and acted unethically.
This is somebody who was abused as a child and is now an adult, and if we open our arms and say, hey, we're willing to love you back to life for the person that you actually were born to be, maybe it won't be Jazz, but somebody will embrace us.
tim pool
Jazz's doctor has come out saying it was wrong.
So Jazz's doctor is not the person who lied.
Jazz's doctor is the person who screwed up and then came out and said, holy crap, this was a mistake.
robby starbuck
Well, I watched the doctor lie.
I watched previous episodes all the way through.
I watched the doctor lie from when they sold the idea of surgery to the reality of surgery and what happened, and making it sound like it would solve everything and make things better.
And then later, seeing what we all see now with Jazz, clearly four surgeries later, side effects later, damage later.
In fact, Jazz at one point said, She wouldn't even look at what happened after the surgeries initially, because it was so horrific, they didn't want her to look.
unidentified
Wow.
robby starbuck
Jazz needs to get away from these people, man.
When Jazz ended up taking a peek, She said it was horrifying.
And I keep saying she.
unidentified
Where are the resources?
robby starbuck
I'm only saying because Jazz is a female name.
It's like by, by, you know, just that natural order of things you want to say she.
But we all know this is a biological male and that's indisputable.
And these differences occur.
For a reason, and we've got to embrace our differences and get somebody like Jazz to love themselves back to life to what they were supposed to be.
unidentified
There are virtually no resources available for detransitioners.
Not medically, not mental health care, unless they do digging or find organizations like ours.
That's the problem.
Every single detransitioner I've spoken with, their surgeons won't solve their unresolved issues.
They don't want to touch them.
They will not help, you know, deal with the issues, all the aftermath left behind.
So there's a real mental health and physical health gap in what these detransitioners are experiencing.
And I would say the majority of the ones that I've spoken to and work with have sexual trauma.
tim pool
In the genderqueer book we often bring up, because Ian bought it, and it was very smart of him to do so, as much as I don't want this individual to get money from this.
Have you ever read it?
unidentified
Oh yes, we exposed it years ago.
tim pool
And so what we've talked about in the show is many conservative commentators who reference it never actually read it.
They don't know it's a story about a little girl who was abused by her parents, who was peeing in the yard, who couldn't read till 12, and would wear crusted dirty pads that smelled so bad the school counselor had to give her a talking to, like you need to clean your body.
That's child abuse.
unidentified
It's also a sign of trafficking and exploitation.
tim pool
And it results in a person who is deeply confused and traumatized.
Jazz is very much the same.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
How we save these people from this abuse is, you know, I don't know.
Because we used to have a system, we created a system, Child Protective Services, to be like, do not... They're not doing anything.
No, they're doing the opposite.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, someone superchatted.
If a kid threatened to hurt themselves and you brought them to the doctor, They would enforce the surgeries.
robby starbuck
They're enforcers now.
They're absolute enforcers for the ideology.
They will literally report the parents to CPS to have the parents removed from the home if the parents are even questioning this in a way that they feel is not affirming.
They're part of the system here.
They're the people profiting off this.
They're profiting off the surgeries and the hormones.
unidentified
Right, one of the organizations that we work with has one case of a girl named Sage who was trafficked not once but twice through CPS after being forcefully put into state care because her caretakers, her family, would not affirm her transitioning.
Okay, so that's what we're dealing with.
That's what happens when you don't affirm your child.
That's what they're trying to normalize.
They're not just saying, hey, let's be tolerant.
They're literally trying to steal children and use our government, you know, CPS systems to facilitate this.
robby starbuck
I think we have to have like a bigger conversation as a country about CPS at some point too, because this is separate from this, but what's going on in a lot of states with CPS is criminal.
When you see the types of situations, they're stealing kids and creating lifelong emotional trauma by taking them from their parents over ridiculous things.
It's really scary.
It's scary when you hear these stories.
You know, just a case happened actually in Tennessee that I'm trying to help these people.
They don't even live in Tennessee.
They're from Georgia.
The dad got pulled over, had a little bit of weed.
And initially the police told the mom she could take the kids, drive them back home.
But she's like, well, I live in Georgia.
I'm gonna have to go bail my husband out first.
She goes to the police station to do it.
And there they end up calling CPS.
They take the kids from her and they end up mandating a drug test on her.
And so they don't even have the results of that, but they take the children, and even if it was marijuana, we're talking about somebody that could have done marijuana previously, weeks earlier in Georgia, and still had it in a follicle test or something, and you're saying that's good police work?
To steal these children, create lifelong traumas, and possibly place them with a dangerous person?
When they're in no danger?
ian crossland
It didn't George Floyd easy didn't George Floyd have kids in the back when he was on an eight ball
tim pool
Kid, I'm not a kid. So it's him as my friend and no, there's some guy anyway, I don't want to deflect
I think you're saying Jacob Blake. Yeah, that was the guy who went for the knife and who had raped that woman
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Colin Stephen says, the reason it felt wrong saying firearm deaths are the top killer for children is because the CDC citation covers kids up to the adult age of 19.
Oh, so like 18-year-olds in combat?
robby starbuck
Wait, so this actually is worse than what they said.
There are multiple definitions.
It used to be up to 18, because naturally at 18 you're an adult.
They changed it to 19, but then some of the orgs that they cite these statistics from, outside orgs that are gun control orgs, They actually define children as up to 21.
When do the most gun deaths from gang-related crime happen?
Between 18 and 21.
So you're then looping in 18 through 21 in with little kids.
When you actually look at little kids, gun deaths are an incredibly small number, okay?
And I posted these stats like probably three weeks ago because somebody was arguing with me about this.
They're like, why don't you care about this issue?
Care about this one?
And When you look at the actual facts, this is pseudoscience, again, that they're pushing to push a narrative.
tim pool
All you gotta do is, if you're sitting down with people like Billy Porter and he goes, the number one cause of death in children is guns, you simply go, well, fair point, but I mean, we're not talking about 12-year-olds here, we're talking about 18-year-olds.
So, I mean, what's the stat on how many, you know, 15 and younger are killed by firearms?
robby starbuck
Oh, much lower.
tim pool
But you ask them that.
That's what I'm saying.
Your response is, do you have those numbers?
They're like, what do you mean?
Do you have the 15?
I understand your point about 18 and 19 year olds, and I agree.
That is really, really bad.
We should talk about it.
But do we have the numbers?
Can you guys pull that?
And then they'll be like, uh, I don't know.
robby starbuck
Well, I did this.
Okay.
When they had the big George Floyd riots, I actually went to the BLM protest.
It wasn't a riot.
That happened in Franklin, Tennessee.
And I went by accident, actually.
We were just going to get pizza.
And we got boxed in and blocked in by these protesters, and I said, you know what, honey?
I'm gonna go talk to them.
And Lena's like, oh no.
And so I go out there, and I did this on livestream, and I just went up to them, I said, look guys, I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you, no joke, I'm not joking you guys, I was wearing a shirt at the time that said, I am Republican.
Okay I just happened to be wearing it because I didn't have anything else clean and this was like one of those weekend deals where like you're not in clothes to go on camera but I did it anyways and I asked all of them the same question how many unarmed black males do you think were killed by police this year?
I got answers as high as 15,000 unarmed black males they believed were murdered by police that year.
tim pool
Was it nine?
robby starbuck
It was under 30.
So, and that's if you take the most favorable statistics that Washington Post shooting tracker, because the natural thing, they always go, where are you getting those numbers?
And I was like, I'm going to help you.
Let's go to Washington Post.
They have a shooting tracker here.
They line it up completely by armed, unarmed, race, and go through all these categories, showed them how to do it.
And I said, so even in the worst case scenario, it's in the 20s.
Whereas the white unarmed is in the 30s.
And then they go, well, what about per capita?
And I said, well, let's look at those per capita rates.
Where are they happening?
And I took them to the per capita rates and showed them that per capita, the number one place where young black men die unarmed is in Democrat cities.
And so, and I say, let's extrapolate from that.
Let's look at it for just crime.
Instead of looking at it by police.
Why has nobody protested this?
And the number is wildly different than the number killed by police.
And it's very clear why.
It doesn't serve the narrative.
And that's the truth of where we are.
And if we don't actually call out reality, we're going to allow this to perpetuate and continue.
tim pool
All right, we got Deborah Muller says, fantastic after show last night.
Great questions from the audio room.
It was great.
Our first few callers called in and got to speak with Congressman Troy Nails.
It was really awesome.
So I'm really excited about that because we've got some prominent guests coming up.
And even having Robbie and Landon here, it's going to be awesome for people who normally just listen get a chance to actually talk to us and ask you guys some questions.
So become a member at TimCast.com.
robby starbuck
Even us.
Yeah, even us.
tim pool
Col D. Locke's production says, Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men.
General George S. Patton, a general from the U.S.
Army in World War II, and for some reason many of his quotes still ring true today.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
robby starbuck
Absolutely.
tim pool
Ready to Rumble says, When you order Steven Seagal from Wish, you get Robbie Starbuck.
robby starbuck
I would say more like, what's like an upscale store?
Let's say like Neiman Marcus version.
You'd have to be a level up from Steven Seagal.
tim pool
You're like the Turing.
robby starbuck
I'm younger, Latino, you've got to like add something in there.
Maybe I'm like guacamole, I don't know, something.
ian crossland
I keep watching actors tell stories about working with Seagal.
It was the funniest stuff in the world, that guy.
You've got to look that stuff up if you think Seagal is hilarious.
unidentified
Yeah, Seagal is wild.
tim pool
All right.
Hayden Lewis says, Hi, gang.
I found out the Willow Project the other day was a proposal passed by Biden to sell Alaska for oil drilling.
Many Gen Z are outraged by it.
I'm for it.
I was talking to a guy from Alaska this past weekend, and he's like, you know, this dude, I mentioned something about Alaska.
He goes, oh, I'm from Alaska.
And I was like, oh, wow, I don't think we do enough development there.
And he goes, most Alaskans would agree with you.
And then I'm like, and it's probably because a bunch of wealthy Democrat elite types don't want their playground to be solid.
He goes, yes, they get mad because they're like, oh, but you'll hurt the caribou.
And he's like, the caribou are overpopulated.
There's too many of them!
robby starbuck
He's like, we'd like to eat them!
Exactly!
No, I'm all with you.
And you know what?
The only reason Biden did this in the first place is because it was a political no-win for him, no matter what he did, because they knew that denying this was actually going to hurt them on other projects, and that they had already had the promises necessary to move this forward for so long that it's quickly going to get torn up in court if they do something.
They already have enough problems on their hands.
They said, you know what?
We've been hit on the energy front.
Gas prices were a problem.
We're not going to create that problem again.
It's a lose-lose either way.
So let's just try to keep gas prices where they're at by giving good news to development.
Because that's what the price of oil, a lot of it is predicated on.
Future news, good news, makes people happy within the market to see, oh, we're going to produce more oil.
So it was kind of one of those things.
They were boxed in a corner.
I'm happy they did it though.
tim pool
Nick Napper says, you only catch flack when you're over target.
That's right.
Unless, you know, someone's come to your house and they're shooting at you, I guess.
That's not gonna happen.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr., what up?
He says, Tim, why must you radicalize me?
Fine, fine.
So they're trash parents, so F the kids too.
Let them be wronged, the poor, sweet, naive, innocent children.
As a single tear streams down my cheek.
No, I think we gotta protect the kids, that's the point.
robby starbuck
We do, we've gotta protect them.
tim pool
But I've mentioned this before, when I tweet stuff like, spay and neuter your kids to stop overpopulation, I'm not a single hippies.
The people on the right know I'm not serious and they go, haha, very funny.
People on the left just go like, shhh.
Yeah.
robby starbuck
They watch every single show and they do not care.
Honestly, you know what?
You should start a new segment where you say something outrageous that they should cover and I like quoting things in reference to how they take things out of context.
Because clearly they don't care about that.
They agree with that idea.
tim pool
I like quoting things in reference to how they take things out of context.
Like if I were to say, you know, someone once told me that personally I find chocolate ice
cream just disgusting.
I don't like vanilla either.
I like spinach ice cream.
I heard a guy say that once, and I thought that was crazy.
So, the point of saying that is that they'll then quote the fake quote and attribute it to me.
unidentified
Like, Tim Pool hates chocolate ice cream, but he only hates asparagus ice cream.
jeanette jennings
He totally would.
unidentified
Yep.
100%.
tim pool
That's what would happen.
Tony Dye says, Tim and Ian, awesome show.
Great job!
unidentified
Hell yeah, Tony.
robby starbuck
What about us?
tim pool
You guys are cool, too.
Matthew Schneider says, just pre-ordered Bright Eyes.
You guys rock and keep up the good work.
Yes, TrashHouseRecords.com, and you can pre-order today.
The song comes out, I think, first thing Friday morning, and then from Friday throughout the whole next week, as we normally do, we'll be promoting it and try and get as many sales as possible.
As I mentioned, we've released three songs.
All three have charted on Billboard, which is The envy of so many musicians who have been working for a very long time and have never been able to pull that off, and I've heard every excuse in the book from the left about how it's fake or we don't deserve it or it's stupid.
My favorite was people were like, the only reason you got on Billboard is because you have a bunch of fans who bought your song.
And I was like, yes, that's literally what getting on Billboard is.
When fans buy your music, that's what we're doing, so thank you.
But the idea is supposed to be that Taylor Swift gets on Billboard because every digital streaming service platform places her songs on loop.
That is what we're supposed to be happy about?
That the machine just says, here's music to listen to?
And she got fans, don't get me wrong.
But we're actually fighting an uphill battle to do this.
When we get on Billboard, it's in spite of everything they've put in front of us.
Band can't band us, Bryson Gray, five times August because there's one thing they fear.
They don't care if we talk politics, that's why this show is on the air.
It's no threat to them.
The real threat is if we're influencing people with culture and art.
That's why they didn't like John Lennon.
robby starbuck
Yep, that reaches young people.
And it's kind of like saying like, well Tim, the only reason you're a millionaire is because
you built something up from the ground and made a million dollars.
It's kind of like...
That is correct.
Okay, yes, and what's your next point?
tim pool
Well, that's the people who signed They're like, people bought your music.
Who buys music anyway?
And I'm like, you're saying Taylor Swift could not get her fans to buy her music?
That's like a bold statement about Taylor Swift.
And I can.
I really appreciate the people who buy my music.
That's what Billboard is.
So, you know, whatever, man.
Look, we want to get to the point where we're successful enough with it that we're working with other bands.
For the time being, we have like a fourth song coming out in a year and a half because we're like struggling and trying as hard as we can.
It's rough.
ian crossland
I just want you to like it, man.
I want you to put it on while your baby's in the womb.
Let the baby listen to it when they're three months.
They'll know what good music is.
tim pool
Yeah, Ian's harmonies changed the song, in my opinion, because I wasn't that big on it.
And then Ian added harmonies, and then I was like, wow.
ian crossland
And then Carter moved my harmonies back like a half step, I think, in the song.
So they're like, it's really cool.
It's like three people created that.
Well, at least three.
unidentified
It's a lot of hard work.
I charted on Billboard when I was younger, and I was in industry.
Oh, cool.
It's a lot of work.
Yeah, I was an indie artist, too.
Yeah.
A lot of work goes into that, people don't realize.
ian crossland
What'd you chart?
What song?
unidentified
It was called Only 20, and it was basically about being 20 and not getting to, you know, you can serve your country, but you can't drink alcohol, all that.
I was 20, so.
tim pool
Right on.
I mean, if you look up your favorite band on Wikipedia and look at their billboard history, and they'll have, like, out of the 300 songs, seven, maybe some, like, the biggest bands will have, like, 50, but most bands have none.
Like, you listen to your favorite musician, and you're like, they didn't have any?
They had, like, two?
ian crossland
That's crazy.
tim pool
So we're three for three.
Three for three, they don't like that, they're very mad about it.
When the first song, when we released our second song officially under the new record label, Our PR person was reaching out to entertainment being like the new song from, you know, Tim Pool featuring Pete Parato formerly of The Offspring.
We actually got people emailing back being like, F you.
robby starbuck
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And stuff like that.
They're really mad.
robby starbuck
The stuff that I got from press on in the music industry when I came out and endorsed Trump in 2015 and had, you know, because I directed a bunch of big music videos for people like Smashing Pumpkins and, you know, Gucci Mane and all these different people.
They actually wrote to me, unsolicited, saying we will never do any articles for videos you direct or produce ever again for your other directors.
They were explicit because they were so angry.
That's just who these people are.
They are so afraid of culture changing.
It's not funny.
tim pool
Well, they know they control those institutions, and we are threatening that structure.
So Bandcamp banned us.
unidentified
Keep going!
robby starbuck
And this is the thing, by the way, that is very important for anybody creating content out there.
We all have to have a spirit of lifting each other up.
The spirit of competing against each other and thinking that there's not enough space for everybody to be successful is a lack mindset.
There are millions and millions and over 100 million hungry people in our country for good quality content.
and entertainment that challenges the establishment orthodoxy.
Rebellion has always been popular.
Be a rebel, create content, and maybe you'll end up like Tim, or maybe even better, you'll end up like me.
I'm just kidding.
You'll end up like one of us.
tim pool
Troy Dingman says, Tim, have you or Phil ever considered doing a cover of Aaron Tippin's 1991 song, You've Got to Stand for Something?
I think more people need to hear that song now more than ever.
You know what I want to do with Phil?
It would be great to cover Burden in My Hand by Soundgarden with Phil Labonte singing it because I think he'd be perfect for that.
robby starbuck
I was hoping Phil would be in here because I don't think him and I have met in real life but I know my company at a time one of our directors produced an All That Remains video.
Oh wow.
And so I wanted to kind of like catch up on that history and what's going on.
tim pool
I was talking to Phil about like what's a good 90s song that we can cover because it's kind of funny thing about 30 years ago it's like It's crazy.
The 90s were the golden age of music, in my opinion.
covered songs from the 80s.
Could you imagine if we did a cover of a song from like 8 years ago?
That's how it used to be.
And it's like, wow, there's songs from like 10 years ago that's still on the radio.
robby starbuck
The 90s were the golden age of music, in my opinion.
It's like the best music.
tim pool
I agree.
And I know a lot of people are like, oh, it's old.
No, no, no.
Look, I'm not saying that you have to like the style.
I'm not saying that grunge was the best music ever.
I'm saying if you listen to the lyrics of these Soundgarden songs, there's like a story being told.
If you listen to, and Fairpoint, Audioslave was 2001, Like a Stone by Audioslave.
Chris, these lyrics are a masterpiece.
unidentified
One of my favorite songs.
tim pool
Like a Stone is a masterpiece.
robby starbuck
I'd keep early 2000s in with the 90s, you know, like it was a different world because I'd say like sometime around 2005, 2005-ish, everything changed.
ian crossland
A lot of electronica.
tim pool
A lot of the popular music at the time, not all of it, but a lot of it, had deep lyrics that worked and explained things and it was like you were absorbing information.
robby starbuck
You could say something.
unidentified
You had to have real talent back then, too, because that was pre, you know, everything now is all fake.
tim pool
But I want to say this, to anybody who is Christian and has not heard the song Like a Stone by Audioslave, you are missing out.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Holy crap, that song blows my mind.
unidentified
I want to cover that song.
tim pool
And it bums me out that Tom Morello did the guitar for it, because I think he's kind of like a wacky dude.
robby starbuck
Yeah.
tim pool
But fair point, Tom.
You wrote, with Chris and your band, a masterpiece, hands down.
The lyrics, the guitar, everything goes together perfectly, but really the story being told by Chris Cornell is just like... Powerful.
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
He was the drummer of Soundgarden in the beginning, and they needed a vocalist.
robby starbuck
Music was just different back then, and you hit the nail on the head.
It's a storytelling, because now, like, you turn the radio on, none of the songs mean anything.
It's like they'll come up with some weird word that just rhymes over and over and over again, and then they have a weird flashy dance, 30 million TikTok views, and that's like, that's it.
tim pool
I just don't see the attractiveness.
robby starbuck
We were not supposed to talk to people about that.
That was just to stay back there.
tim pool
No, but like, you know, modern popular music is just more and more vapid every day.
ian crossland
I like Post Malone a lot.
I just like the way he sings.
I know, what's his one big hit?
He's got one really big hit.
tim pool
But if you listen to Circles, the lyrics are very simple.
It's a great song.
I love Circles, but it's a great catchy tune.
You listen to Laika Stone, which is from 2001, I believe, and he's telling you a story about sitting in a room reading the Bible.
I'm pretty sure it's about him reading the Bible.
I could be wrong, but he's saying he's reading a book that says, if we're good, we can lay to rest anywhere we want, and now I regret all the things I've done for all that I've blessed and wronged.
I'm like, Man, so deep and thoughtful about this personal reflection.
You listen to Circles, and it's him being like, we were dating but it was just a sex thing and I regret it.
And I'm like, it's cool, it's a good song, but, you know, there's no real depth to it.
I'm not trying to be mean, I think it's a great song, but...
ian crossland
I come from the age of Pearl Jam where you couldn't understand any lyrics.
robby starbuck
I never understood the Pearl Jam thing, I will say that.
Never understood it.
I don't like any part of it, honestly.
Musically, it's a little odd.
ian crossland
It was the beginning of emo, but maybe the cure.
tim pool
We gotta read some more, we gotta read some more.
We got this from Matthew Schneider who says, just putting this out there, China's navy is larger than ours.
That is only on the Pacific front.
I hate to say this because I'm a patriot, but the U.S.
is effed and our time is over.
I don't think they're, is there Navy?
I don't think that's true.
robby starbuck
I don't think it is either.
tim pool
Yeah, we have, we have what, 22 aircraft carriers and like most other countries have one.
robby starbuck
I think they're trying to get there.
And I think they have a plan to get there.
Here's what people in America kind of miss about China and don't understand is there's a hundred year plan in China.
It's very open.
That hundred year plan includes dominating us.
You know, you guys have had Jack on a lot.
So I'm sure he's talked about this, but yeah.
But that hundred year plan, They're very explicit about the things they want to do.
They want to dominate us.
And Tim talked about it earlier in the show, like, they want to overtake the dollar, replace it, because the dollar has been a big reason why we are a global superpower along with our military might.
And so what is China doing?
They build up military might.
They're trying to build an alliance now with Russia.
They say this is a hundred-year opportunity.
What is that hundred-year opportunity?
It is to replace the dollar.
and thereby replace us as the dominant superpower and then start to make deals and strong-arm other countries so that we're now in the position of having to be in compliance with them or we suffer sanctions, whereas right now it's the reverse.
And if we fall into that position, oh, America is over because it's going to take an all-out bloody war for it to stop and for America to have sovereignty again.
tim pool
All right, we got this from Wounded Man Productions.
He says, My filmmaking friend, who hated politics and didn't vote, was contacted by our leftist friends and was told to vote against Trump or they wouldn't work with him.
He now watches Timcast and The Daily Wire.
Thank you, cultists.
Glad to hear it.
I want to say this, too.
I actually do think we're winning to a great deal.
And that is, the conversation we're having around jazz and what jazz is going through was not possible four years ago.
robby starbuck
Agreed.
tim pool
You got anywhere near this stuff, and they would ban you instantly.
But they are losing because people are waking up to what's happening to these kids, and too many young children are filing lawsuits.
There's a handful of lawsuits now from detransitioners speaking before Congress, speaking before state boards and school boards and things like this.
There's nothing they can do at this point.
There's too many people saying, hey, this is wrong.
ian crossland
I also think that the communization of government is an uphill battle for anyone that wants to destroy the United States.
It's the United States, I think, was created in the image of God on purpose because democracy, freedom, republicanism and like self-preservation, self-control is like The best.
So, that is on the side of people arguing for it.
It's not a challenging battle.
It's just, you just need to maintain mental stability throughout.
tim pool
Okay, I gotta read this one, I'm sorry.
AKStorm49 says, Tim, how can you want the F.A.S.T.
series to be so ridiculous, but then think a video game of robots fighting dinosaurs is dumb?
Also boycott Capcom.
Okay, okay, this is about a video game called ExoPrimal, where in Japan it was being promoted by VTubers, and in the U.S.
it was being promoted by drag queens.
So this generated a bunch of controversy where people are like, why are drag queens promoting this video game?
That makes no sense.
VTubers make sense.
VTubers are characters that are animated and on the screen while you play a video game.
And so now people are calling for a boycott.
I said that ExoPrimal is silly.
It's like robots in space and then other dinosaurs are coming.
Listen, Fast and the Furious started off as a buddy cop kind of thing, or not a buddy cop, but like an undercover cop In illegal street racing, and then in the end it's like, you were a cop the whole time, you betrayed me, I thought you were my friend.
unidentified
No, brother!
tim pool
And then, you know, they fight or whatever.
And now, they're in outer space.
In Fast 9, they're in outer space, there's cyber-enhanced super soldiers.
So the reason I want the Fast series to get crazier is because of where it started, and where it's going, and they have an opportunity to give the Fast and the Furious cast superpowers, and they should.
Or, hear me out, crossover with Transformers.
Could you imagine that?
robby starbuck
Landon would like the superpower to destroy all of this.
Anytime we talk about video games or anything like that, she's like, I have no interest.
tim pool
I'm talking about Fast and the Furious, the movie franchise, the greatest cinematic universe.
ian crossland
Dude, they go in space, they got to explore, and then they realize they're in a carburetor, and then they find out that it's the carburetor of the car from the first movie.
tim pool
That'd be nuts.
Like Men in Black and it's like they crawl out and they're like, we were inside the car the whole time.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, I'm saying like, you know, it's a crossover with Transformers and Optimus is like, Dom, we must stop Megatron.
You know, wouldn't that be awesome?
ian crossland
That'd be cool.
tim pool
And then he'd be like, you got it for family.
And then it's like Dom's walking in slow motion as like Optimus is transforming and then like punching Megatron or whatever.
ian crossland
Dom's like, I'm driving this time.
And Optimus is just a truck, but he's like taking control of the truck.
tim pool
Megatron swings a gigantic fist like a 20-foot robot and then Dom and Megatron both punch and he holds him off.
robby starbuck
I'm gonna agree because I love your enthusiasm.
tim pool
I would spend a hundred dollars to see that movie personally.
I would walk in with a hundred dollar bill and be like, I want to see this movie.
Someone make it!
robby starbuck
That means they're gonna make a hundred dollars if they make this.
tim pool
No, no, no, hold on.
I will hire someone to splice together Fast and the Furious clips with Transformers to make this movie.
It must be done.
ian crossland
I wonder if AI could help with that.
robby starbuck
I could help because I directed the music video for the last Transformers movie, and
so I have all the Transformers footage.
I don't know if Paramount will get mad at me for this, but I have all the Transformers
tim pool
footage.
We'll release it for free as a parody thing.
robby starbuck
Do you own it?
Do you have it?
By the way, fun fact, Michael Bay was my colorist on that video, so he colored it for me afterwards.
Very cool.
Yeah, I'm sure Paramount Pictures is not a fan of my politics.
tim pool
I'm not kidding.
I will hire someone to make that.
I mean, maybe we do like a 10-minute gag short, but it would be amazing.
And then like we can have Dom's like eyes glowing and he flies in the air and then shoots like Superman or something like through the air.
He's flying or whatever.
Fighting with Megatron.
robby starbuck
You know what, I actually like this now the more I think about it.
At first I thought you sounded like a nutjob, but now I'm like, you know what?
That actually sounds kind of fun.
tim pool
I know people can do it because I've seen these things on YouTube.
robby starbuck
And have them racing, you know?
Like, I could see Bumblebee racing.
If we could bring back Paul Walker.
tim pool
Well, they did.
He's in the next movie.
robby starbuck
I know if we could bring him back, though, for this and have Paul Walker racing Bumblebee, I think that'd be cool.
tim pool
No, what happens is Dom's got super speed and he's running and Bumblebee's driving.
unidentified
How can you compete with a jet engine?
tim pool
Like, I'm imagining Megatron and Dom's fists clashing, but one fist is like 20 feet and Dom's small fist and then like there's like a shockwave.
robby starbuck
Landon, what do you want to do right now?
What do you think about this convo?
unidentified
I'm just letting you guys wrap it up.
I'm just letting y'all go.
tim pool
All right, let's grab some more.
We'll grab some more Super Chats here.
All right.
Devlin Foster says, from your earlier segment, Colleen Noir said the CDC is including teenagers in its gun death stats, so gang member violence is included in the guns are the leading cause of death for children stat.
Yep.
Not surprised they're lying once again.
That's what they do, isn't it?
robby starbuck
Yes, it is.
tim pool
All right, where are we at?
Muffins, an obvious name, says, coming out as a black conservative has gotten me a lot of racial slurs hurled at me by leftists.
I'm fairly certain if I Am Jazz comes out as conservative, they'd face the same type of sentiments, trans, straight, etc.
I'm not saying Jazz comes out as conservative.
I'm saying Jazz just comes out and says, hey, this is how I feel.
Just being true to themselves.
robby starbuck
Yeah, and I don't think she is conservative, frankly.
You know, I think that the best we can hope for is that, you know, they're able to find out that this was a mistake and that they need to accept who they really are.
tim pool
Here's the crazy thing though, but Jazz can never be the man that Jazz would have been.
robby starbuck
I know.
That's what's horrific about these surgeries.
And you know what I wonder?
When I first saw these videos, is I wondered had there never been a puberty blocker, there had never been a hormone introduced, there had never been a surgery.
Would Jazz at 13 when they said they were pansexual actually have just been a normal teenage boy who started to get aroused by pretty girls and then started to like girls and then later at 16 started to date them and then you know at 18 has no thought of ever being confused about their identity?
Because something happened recently.
I spoke at a TPUSA event to a big group of people and this little girl asked a question during the Q&A.
She's like 12 years old and she goes, Mr. Robbie, I have a hard time at school because all of the other kids, they buy into this ideology and I don't know how to talk to them about it to try to bring them to the truth.
And they're just doing it because they're afraid that it will be uncool if they don't.
And I just said, quick show of hands, everybody in the room.
How many of you guys felt confused about your identity as a child or as a teenager?
Every single hand went up.
unidentified
Yep.
robby starbuck
And it was part of a longer answer where we gave them resources and I had my oldest daughter who's 14 actually connect with the girl and help her and give her advice.
But in general, that's the truth we need to be telling these kids.
It is normal to not feel okay.
In fact, what's abnormal is to feel like everything's perfect as a child or as a teenager.
It's normal to feel weird in your body.
It's normal to feel like this is just a strange experience.
And guess what?
It goes away.
You get better.
tim pool
Alright, we'll grab one more and then we're going to shift.
We're going to grab one more super chat before we wrap up.
Joel Drosset says, Optimus Prime says, Do you know who I am?
And Dom replies, Yeah, I do.
You're my ride.
unidentified
Ha!
tim pool
That's how we wrap it up.
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robby starbuck
You shut out your org again.
unidentified
Yes, shut out my org, freedomforever.us, combating all forms of child exploitation.
We're the only one that is addressing all forms of child exploitation, actually fighting these issues, giving victims the resources that they need, and doing effective prevention-based activism.
There's no organization doing what we're doing.
tim pool
Right on.
robby starbuck
And I would just say, you know, I've got my own little podcast that, you know, will do interesting stories like the Chris Beck one.
We're not every day and we're not as cool as Tim and Ian, but, you know, we're telling interesting stories.
Cool enough.
Cool enough, you know, and doing a lot of like, you know, sit downs with really cool people that I want to delve deeper into a topic.
You know, you can follow me there on Rumble, rumble.com slash Robbie Starbuck, or just follow me on all my socials at Robbie Starbuck.
ian crossland
And also at Landon Starbuck on Twitter.
robby starbuck
At Landon Starbuck.
unidentified
And on Instagram.
robby starbuck
And for all the people who've asked if I'm running again, too, by the way, they're just going to have to wait and see.
It is way too early, but I'm definitely not ruling something like that out.
Maybe even, you know, different office.
It's even, you know, different.
ian crossland
Maybe you're president of the United States of America.
robby starbuck
No, no, not president.
ian crossland
Love you guys.
Always great to see you, Robbie.
Great to meet you, Landon.
I'm Ian Crossland.
Follow me on the Internet.
You know where to find me.
See you later.
robby starbuck
And I am Serge.com.
Rest in peace, Paul Walker.
unidentified
Just had to end that with that.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about 10 minutes.
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