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March 20, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - NYC Prepares For TRUMP ARREST, DeSantis Implies NO EXTRADITION w/James Klug
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tim pool
Yeah, so apparently they're going to arrest Trump tomorrow and a lot of people don't believe
A lot of people are claiming it's not true, despite the fact that Trump himself tweeted it, but Trump may have been tweeting it based off news reports, so we really don't know for sure.
Other than, in New York, they are starting to put barricades around the Manhattan DA's, uh, the district, Manhattan District Court.
So a lot of people are assuming that these barricades imply they're intending to issue an indictment for Donald Trump for the arrest, which would require extradition, likely from Florida, but this would result in massive protests.
We will see, we don't know.
But the New York Times reporting outright that the New York authorities are preparing for the unprecedented arrest of an ex-president.
unidentified
Woohoo!
tim pool
Oh boy!
New York tries to arrest a former president who's the current frontrunner.
Florida would have to extradite him, but Ron DeSantis is basically saying, we're not getting involved, so we'll see what happens.
What will happen?
Some people are saying that he doesn't have the authority to deny it, but he might just say, F off, I'm not getting involved anyway.
So he may not necessarily say, screw off, I won't do it.
He might just be like, hey man, don't look at me, passively.
But if Ron DeSantis allows the indictment of Donald Trump, there is no way DeSantis will get anywhere near the presidency.
And if Donald Trump gets arrested, it's probably going to dramatically help his presidency.
Oh, it's okay.
Instead of just opining already, we'll get into this.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is James Kluge.
james klug
How you doing?
Thanks for having me.
I really appreciate it.
You guys, I am a YouTuber at James Kluge on YouTube.
We specialize in man on street videos and also you guys, huge fan of the show.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Absolutely.
There you go.
Well, thanks for coming.
It should be fun.
We got Shane Cashman.
He's got a book, apparently.
shane cashman
What's up, guys?
Yeah, I have the the new Tales from the Inverted World volume two book.
This is my story of going down to Washington, Georgia, looking for the Confederate gold, finding some demon possessed people.
Talking to people who talk to ghosts, looking at UFOs, aiming AR-15s at UFOs over the tree line.
Good stuff.
ian crossland
Sounds very dangerous.
shane cashman
And the Guidestones and my side quest of trying to figure out who bombed the Guidestones.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
And we forgot to take the Irish flag off the wall.
shane cashman
That works.
I'm Irish, so I'll take it.
ian crossland
They, uh, we were studying people with having, um, exorcisms and things.
And some people, I think Carol mentioned that it may be people that are having like, uh, epileptic fits, but they untreated before they knew what epilepsy was.
And then they'd start screaming and then they'd be like, Oh my God, there's like a demon inside.
But I don't know.
shane cashman
Did you, I think for different people, they have different ways of interpreting it.
I think I met some people who were, uh, filled with something that I can't fully explain.
ian crossland
It's in the book.
shane cashman
Yeah.
ian crossland
Nice branding, by the way.
I'm Ian Cross on everybody.
What's happening?
Hey, Serge.
unidentified
Yo, and I am Surge.com.
What's up, guys?
Hope you're well.
tim pool
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So hang out, man.
We got it set up.
We are trying to figure out, like, if you have 1,000 people, how do we get someone to call in?
Because it still means you're a one-in-1,000 chance, you know, if 50 people submit a question, only one person is going to get in, so maybe we'll do, like, two or three questions per day.
But, uh, oof.
We'll try our best.
We'll try our best.
Anyway.
Let's jump into this first story from the New York Times.
Signal Donald Trump called for them to protest.
unprecedented arrest of an ex-president ahead of a likely indictment.
Law enforcement officials are making security plans as some of Donald J. Trump's supporters
signal that they intend to protest.
Signal Donald Trump called for them to protest.
Here's the video.
Robert Costa said steel barricades arriving outside Manhattan criminal court.
Okay, I said district court earlier.
Correction, criminal court.
And they're getting ready for it.
I do not believe that they would put up... Oh, wow, he's got a lot of videos of this.
Holy crap.
I don't believe they would do this unless they actually were planning to indict Trump.
Because if they don't indict him, there'd be no protest.
james klug
Right.
tim pool
Nothing would happen.
james klug
This is where I saw, like, when I was deciding if it, like, you know, if it's gonna happen tomorrow or not, that was a big indicator for me.
tim pool
That's it.
james klug
Did you guys see what MSNBC said when it came to Trump's calls for protest?
They're saying, you know, calling for- He's calling for another January 6th?
Yeah, calling for people to pick up arms.
tim pool
What?
james klug
That's the way that they're interpreting it.
tim pool
To pick up arms?
james klug
Yeah, yeah.
Pick up arms or calling for violence.
tim pool
These people are crazy!
james klug
That's what it is now.
shane cashman
Yeah, so it's like you know, it's just like what they have they interpreted January 6 like when they hear certain words Like we're gonna fight for our country.
james klug
They take it and make it the most vicious interpretation YouTube does the same thing all the time I gotta tell people like if they want to give you a strike means there's something you got to fight for your right like whoa Oh, wow, that's a call for violence These insane standards that they hold for the right it's it's so comical to be like 2020 the riots of 2020 they would do everything that they could to basically work it down if a super violent riot they would work it down to just being oh there's just some people there's like a whole parking lot on fire and that's the standard that the police station is burning down in the light fiery but mostly peaceful that's where the meme comes from
Like in Portland at the Marco Hatfield federal courthouse, trying to burn down the courthouse with federal agents inside, and they're still not reporting on it.
All Trump has to say is, hey, go protest, and that's a call for action, a call for violence.
ian crossland
I didn't hear his call, but what was it like if he gets arrested, he wants people on the street?
He said protest.
unidentified
No, let him out.
shane cashman
He said protest.
We need to take our country back.
Yeah.
It's so vague.
ian crossland
Like, should he be more specific?
Like, be here at this time, protest illegal or unjust arrests of presidents and things like that?
tim pool
I want to read this real quick.
Sorry.
This is from the New York Times because there's interesting framing here.
They say, if Donald Trump is indicted by a Manhattan grand jury in the days ahead for his role in a hush money payment to a porn star, the former president of the United States of America will be read the standard Miranda warning.
He will be told that he has the right to remain silent and the right to an attorney.
These are among the routine steps for felony arrests in New York.
But the unprecedented arrest of a former Commander-in-Chief, one whose devoted supporters once staged a violent attack on the Capitol, will be anything but routine.
Let me pause there for a minute.
Is Trump being charged with a felony?
ian crossland
I don't... No, no.
tim pool
My understanding is that it was a misdemeanor.
shane cashman
It was a misdemeanor.
james klug
If guilty, they're seeing that as a misdemeanor.
And that's, what, two years that they can go after that?
After the crime that they're talking about?
Statute of limitations is like two years in New York State for a misdemeanor, five years for a felony.
ian crossland
But they're trying to tie it to campaign malfeasance, finance malfeasance, to take it off the, past the... That's how they're trying to extend it past that five years, even.
james klug
Because we're talking about a DA that's looking at something that's typically, if guilty, maybe a misdemeanor at best.
But they're trying to go for not only a felony, but they're trying to go for a felony past that five-year mark.
tim pool
They are trying to charge him with a felony.
That's my point, because they said a routine step for felony arrests is a clever wording trick to make it seem like he's being charged with a felony if he isn't.
You see what I mean?
Like if I were to say something like, I am going to arrest James here, then I will read him as Miranda Rights, which is normal in felony arrests.
It's like...
The reader then thinks you committed a felony when it could be like you were jaywalking and I'm giving you a citation or something, you know what I mean?
shane cashman
They just put the word there so it goes in your brain.
james klug
Exactly.
shane cashman
And then you assume that's what it means.
james klug
No, it's tricky wordplay.
It assumes guilt right away.
ian crossland
When did this supposed bribe, is that what it is for Stormy Daniels?
Hush money?
When did it get paid?
james klug
Uh, 2016, before the election, that's what they're, that's what they were talking about.
I guess it happened, like the action that they're all talking about happened, they were saying 2006, and then 2016, this hush money, more of like a NDA, hush money is, do people usually say that for an NDA?
Hush money?
tim pool
I don't think so, I think hush money is like when you commit a crime.
You know what I mean?
Like, if someone catches you committing a crime and you're like, I'll give you money if you don't say anything.
unidentified
Right.
james klug
Hush money seems suspicious.
tim pool
This is just an NDA.
This is like, they hooked up and he's like, but don't tell anybody and we come to an agreement on non-disclosure.
It's like a contract.
james klug
Right.
tim pool
It's like, I'll give you X money in exchange for X behavior.
I don't know if there's any, how is that illegal?
james klug
Well, and a lot of people were also talking about it possibly being some sort of like nuisance, or hopefully that's the right phrase, payment.
Because $130,000, when you're trying to win an election, if they were actually, if it was for that purpose, right, if it was for that purpose that they're arguing, $130,000 to a billionaire.
Seems a little bit low, doesn't it?
Especially when it comes to... Yeah, what was it?
tim pool
She was gonna write a book or something?
james klug
If it was the case.
Like, if it was the case.
If he cheated on her or whatever.
If he was trying to keep that quiet.
tim pool
I honestly, I think they pay more than that.
I think it's all nonsense.
You know?
shane cashman
If they can arrest him for this, we should be able to arrest every president right now.
For everything else.
ian crossland
We gotta look at the Tar Reid allegations against Joe Biden.
You've gotta look at the Hunter Biden allegations with Burisma and the bribery.
tim pool
So the allegation against Trump is that he gave some chickie-banged money so she wouldn't talk about it.
The allegation against Joe Biden is he slammed a woman up against the wall and forced himself on her.
ian crossland
In the Capitol?
tim pool
In the Capitol.
Now, to be fair, it was 30 years ago.
You're going to be hard-pressed to find any evidence of this.
The same thing with...
Blasey Ford and Kavanaugh, although that one lacks any credibility, so much so they had to keep calling it a credible, what do they call it, a credible accusation or something?
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Credibly accused.
And it was like, you're saying that because it's not.
Like, you're saying it over and over again because the people who listen to you and follow you are dumb as a box of rocks.
james klug
Right, right.
tim pool
And you need them to repeat it.
Because there's nothing credible about a lady 30 years later lying about everything and then accusing some, like, boy scout of being a gang rapist.
james klug
Yeah, bringing absolutely zero evidence and everyone in his life was like, oh, he's a great guy at that time.
Like, I don't know what you're talking about.
tim pool
And then that other lady was like, he would line up outside of rooms and the men would all gangbang women.
And it's like, bro, if that happened, it would be like the cover of a newspaper.
It'd be the biggest scandal in the college's history.
james klug
For sure.
tim pool
Never happened.
james klug
For sure.
ian crossland
The reason that presidents tend to pardon past presidents when they get out of office is because you want to avoid this, kicking the ball.
Like, what'll happen is if Trump really gets persecuted and arrested, then when Biden gets out of office and another administration comes in, they very likely will arrest Biden for the same kind of crap.
And then you'll have a cycle of arrests and political persecution, which devolves into anarchy and a loss of government.
shane cashman
Ford pardoned Nixon, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
To end the long national nightmare.
And this is a way to try to bridge the gap and all the division and, you know, chaos that was going on in the country.
And I don't think that's something that would happen in the current political climate.
We're like, Biden's gonna pardon anybody.
I don't know if Trump's gonna pardon anybody.
tim pool
President-wise.
Well, we talked about this before, but the first thing I'll say, Ian, is Trump is being persecuted.
If he's prosecuted, it's something entirely different.
They've been persecuting Trump for a long time.
Just coming after him for anything, for any reason, because they hate him, because they're a zombie cult.
You know, there you go.
james klug
Also, I think it's important to kind of explain what's going on here with the district attorney, right?
They've looked into this, quote, hush money multiple times.
This is, I believe, the third go at this.
Every other time, from much higher courts, they're saying, okay, there's not really enough to charge Trump for anything here.
Now we have a very Very progressive Soros DA in Manhattan.
That's just saying okay.
Well, yeah, we'll give it a shot I'm sure if I get him in front of a or if I present this in front of a grand jury We got a good shot at it Get him up get him subpoenaed and force him in a criminal trial to testify and we'll get him on something But this is him of perjury or something For this DA, he has a record of downgrading charges.
They're not prosecuting, what is it, prostitution right now?
They're not prosecuting for resisting arrest or any of that going on.
He's a very progressive DA that is super soft on crime, but for this, he's going as hard as possible on a, quote, crime that, if it were to be the case, it would be a six-year-old misdemeanor.
tim pool
But I think Biden might actually pardon Trump.
Well, let me clarify.
These are state charges.
Biden cannot pardon Trump for state charges.
But I think in the event of, if there was a federal case, Biden does have a good incentive to pardon Trump for the optics of, we don't play the games that Donald Trump does.
When he says, I am instructing the DOJ to cease this activity.
You know, we're a nation of law and order, blah, blah, blah.
At the same time, he might play the, we're a nation of law and order, therefore he must be charged.
But I think there's a possibility in a federal event that Biden would be like, I'm the bigger man, look at me.
shane cashman
I think there's a lot of people who would reject that, who like Biden and who hate Trump so much that if he were to pardon Trump, they would see that as a weak thing for their side.
james klug
Yeah, this is a group of people that don't care what it is.
shane cashman
They're bloodthirsty.
james klug
They want to see him behind bars.
tim pool
Are zombies bloodthirsty, right?
Kind of, but I don't know if you call them bloodthirsty.
shane cashman
They might not know they are because they're brainless, is what you're saying, but they are after blood, regardless.
tim pool
It's an interesting question, like vampires are bloodthirsty quite literally, right?
And so when we refer to someone as a vampire, it's like a corporate CEO who's like, you know, maybe they're like, they're running a big drug company that's getting guaranteed contracts to push some kind of experimental drug in the population.
We'd call that person a vampire as like an insult.
A zombie, I don't know if you'd call bloodthirsty, you just call Like there's no brain there to have that.
It's just chaos and destruction.
So we just call them zombies.
ian crossland
Zombies don't need to eat, I don't think.
They can just stand there for like a thousand years.
shane cashman
It depends which zombie universe you're in.
Are these the running zombies?
Which kind of zombie do we got here?
They're the voting zombies for sure.
But I don't know.
tim pool
What we need to do is you got to starve the zombies out by turning off all social media for like a month.
And then just watch them all spin around confused, not knowing who they're supposed to pretend to be.
I think it'd be fun.
shane cashman
Is it irreversible damage though?
I don't know if turning it off for a month will even fix it.
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Like a month later, there's just people standing in the middle of the street, their eyes are white and they're just like not moving.
And it's like, well, there's nothing there anymore.
ian crossland
It's like when Adam and Eve realized they were human for the first time and that they were naked in a garden.
That's what would happen to the zombies.
unidentified
They'd be like, You're you and I'm me!
james klug
They're realizing that they can think critically by themselves without being told what to do.
I will say, from my personal experience, I think that the left is off-rails enough right now to where they're just bloodthirsty when it comes to Donald Trump.
They don't care what the consequences are of locking him up for something that's completely absurd.
It's obviously political persecution, right?
It's obviously political persecution, but I don't think they care at all.
And I don't even think that they care, like, I don't think they're thinking far enough ahead to even see this being a major help to Donald Trump and his campaign.
He's already raising money, using this to raise money right now.
This is gonna be the biggest thing for his campaign.
If you think that the energy behind Donald Trump's campaign in 2016 was big, What we're seeing right now in the U.S.
that we're living in today, and what we're seeing right now with this political persecution, this is ten times worse than when he was elected.
tim pool
Let me play this Trump Truth.
Donald Trump posted this today at 3.07, effectively accusing Alvin Bragg of, I guess, abusing a woman.
We'll put it that way.
Let's play the ad for it.
unidentified
George Soros funded Democrat Alvin Bragg is known as the worst DA in the country.
His soft-on-crime policies have unleashed violent criminals on innocent citizens and turned New York City into a hellscape of crime, drugs, and chaos.
However, Alvin Bragg's crimes against the people of New York may just be the tip of the iceberg.
Before Bragg's election, it was revealed that Soros cut off $500,000 in funds to Bragg's campaign.
It was reported that there were disturbing allegations leveled against Bragg by an unnamed woman.
There was no investigation into the victim's charges by the Manhattan D.A.' 's office, and Alvin Bragg is yet to be charged.
I'm the only thing standing between the American dream and total anarchy, madness, and chaos.
And that's what it is.
I'm representing you.
I'm just here.
Always remember, they are coming after me.
Because I am fighting for you.
That's what's happening.
tim pool
So he's already using this to campaign, right?
But, um, I hate to do it, but he's making me defend Alvin Bragg, alright?
Here's the issue, right?
Alvin Bragg Was not formally accused by anybody who we know.
An unnamed woman is the story.
And there were no charges.
What does that say?
It says he didn't do anything.
That's it.
If some unnamed anonymous woman accused him of doing something and there were no charges, am I gonna be like, oh man, you know, I gotta go for that guy.
That Donald Trump's a bad guy.
unidentified
No!
tim pool
I'm not playing that game.
I don't like brag.
I don't like Soros-funded DAs.
I think they're awful.
I think this guy's destroying New York City.
james klug
Well, I think they have enough ammunition against him to not even bring that up.
I think it just takes away from how bad he is as a DA.
And by the way, probably the worst DA in the country is Philly's.
I forgot the name of the Philly person.
tim pool
I mean, Philadelphia is a wasteland.
james klug
A wasteland.
Those videos are so sad.
But I think that they have more than enough ammunition on Bragg.
To just completely ignore all those distractions right there, I think that takes away from how bad of a job he's already doing as district attorney.
ian crossland
Is this Larry Krasner, Philadelphia DA?
james klug
Yeah, that's like a top Soros one, I believe.
tim pool
Soros is a vampire.
I think a good analogy for that guy.
He's an evil... Evil?
james klug
He's the definition of evil.
tim pool
I mean, he's like as evil as they come.
ian crossland
He thinks he's good.
That's what's weird about him.
Yeah, sure.
tim pool
I don't think he thinks he's good.
Neutral?
No.
There are a lot of people that I think they think they're good, and there are a lot of people that will play the philosophical game of like, there's such a thing as good or evil, there's the actions, blah blah blah.
I don't care.
Like, I get it.
Everybody thinks it's a hero of their own story, but...
Alright, George Soros is an evil guy.
james klug
He spends tens of millions of dollars electing district attorneys, the most liberal district attorneys in the United States that are letting criminals back on the streets.
tim pool
Liberal is the incorrect word.
james klug
Leftists.
Yeah, sorry.
You're right about that.
They're not liberal at all.
tim pool
But I don't think leftists is either.
He's funding He's funding Joker acolytes.
Someone actually commented in one of my earlier segments, I said what these DAs are doing is like the Joker releasing all the bad guys from Arkham Asylum.
Someone mentioned Bane did that.
Bane in Batman releases all of the criminals into the city.
I think that was the movie though.
Pretty sure it's the Joker that breaks everybody out of Arkham Asylum in the comics.
Either way, comic book villainy.
These Soros DAs are comic book villains who are unleashing crime into all of these cities.
It's like Lex Luthor level stuff.
Using positions of power.
shane cashman
Who was in charge of releasing all the prisoners from prisons when COVID started, with lockdowns, when they were telling you to go to jail for breaking lockdown?
james klug
They were literally all doing it.
They were doing it in California, too.
shane cashman
Yeah, that's when I started feeling like America had turned into Arkham, when everyone's just getting told they can leave the prisons, but then if you don't mask up or do whatever, they will arrest you and put you in jail.
ian crossland
They want you to wear a mask in a store now.
I don't know if it's now.
Now they're kind of realizing how insane that is.
tim pool
The salon owner in Texas, who got arrested, and I think Abbott, it was Abbott, or someone pointed out, you're arresting this woman because she opened her salon while releasing violent criminals because of COVID policies.
What is going on?
shane cashman
The lady who was telling stuff on Facebook Live.
james klug
And it came to a storm and got her. Well, the most shocking thing too is a lot of people aren't
capable of like processing the whole job of a district attorney. So it's kind of this like
invisible enemy within cities. What happens is they let all these bad guys out, these violent
criminals back on the street, they commit crimes, crime rates skyrocket, and then it gives Democrats
another boogeyman that's not the district attorney.
They focus on guns and taking away more gun rights.
They leverage those high crime statistics to strip more of your rights away instead of focusing on the just garbage district attorneys in these cities.
ian crossland
Regarding this video that Trump put out that we just listened to.
I don't like that he does the personality, like, oh, I got attacked?
I'm going to attack the guy that attacked me.
I want to do personal attacks.
And also he sounded tired, man.
I just listened to this Biden video of him vetoing the Senate, you know, the congressional bill that they're trying to pass.
unidentified
And Biden sounds like this when he's talking.
ian crossland
Like, he's so old, withered, and tired, and now Trump sounds just tired.
These guys, we need new blood.
This is just, it's so silly.
james klug
Trump hasn't looked the same in a while.
Is he 76 right now, Trump?
ian crossland
I think so.
tim pool
Yes, yes, I agree, but I think, you know, Trump's gotta finish that character arc.
He's gotta finish what he came here to do.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's 76.
tim pool
He's the frontrunner for a reason.
The story is not over yet.
We are nearing the final chapters, but we are still not at the end of the book.
shane cashman
I hope so, because I voted for 2020, but the pardoning thing was one of the things that really bothered me.
The way he went out with the pardoning.
unidentified
Who he pardoned, who he didn't pardon.
shane cashman
That was a pretty weak move.
tim pool
He didn't pardon the J6ers.
He could have got those guys out of prison.
If someone committed a violent crime, charge, arrest them, that's fine.
But some of these people were sitting in for, you know, six months or even years.
Some people are still there for trespassing and misdemeanors.
james klug
I have actually a guy that I know.
He went in there, just reporter.
He's been a casual reporter.
Basically a registered Democrat, I think, his whole life.
Not even, not a hardcore political guy either.
just kind of standard, you know, California guy, Democrat.
And he went in there with a DSLR camera around his neck, nonviolent crime, going to prison for four years.
tim pool
Wait, what?
james klug
Going to prison for four years.
Not, his problem was, is he was an independent journalist and photo, like photo journalist.
And I don't believe he had like a totally legit press pass.
But yeah, I mean, you're trying to at worst, you're talking, what is that, a trespassing charge?
But what they do with these people they're making an example out of them and they're in there pinning them with obstruction of an official proceeding and and getting them with these Insane charges that like if you look at this guy for one second Like he's not obstructing anything really went in there with a camera to go document what was happening on January 6 Yeah, well they prison for there was that that John Sullivan guy whatever his name was exactly I was thinking oh He was in there filming and documenting, and they got him as well.
shane cashman
And he was instigating on some of those videos.
james klug
He was.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
Didn't he break a window or something?
james klug
He was instigating in a lot of those videos.
shane cashman
And he sold that footage to a lot of corporate media places.
unidentified
Wow.
james klug
CNN.
shane cashman
And was on those places as like a talking head, you know.
And then it came out that he may be a bad actor.
You know, no one knows.
They said he was Antifa, maybe.
All these different things.
tim pool
Yeah, he was a radical.
james klug
Yeah, he was.
shane cashman
I believe he was, but they will say he wasn't.
ian crossland
Can you do a thing where if you're gonna pardon, because I think there's a lot of confusion of who did what, so rather than be like, I'm gonna pardon these 40% of these people, because you still don't know who did what, can you say, I'm gonna pardon every instance of this crime between the hours of 1 p.m.
and 9 p.m.
in this place, and then later when we find out who was involved in that particular, so I'm gonna pardon all the trespassing violations.
So then later as it comes out, like who did what, every time a trespassing violation comes out, it gets tossed.
Is that a potential way to pardon crimes?
tim pool
I have no idea.
All that matters is Trump had a couple weeks left and he could have been like, nope, get him out.
ian crossland
What a drop of the ball for leadership.
I agree with you.
james klug
I would say, I look at these J6ers the same way I look at Alex Jones and a few of the others when it came to testing the waters with censorship in America.
You know, I really look at these J6ers as testing the waters when it came to political persecution in the United States.
And look what they're doing now.
Yeah, look at look how far they're about to go like actually Going after Donald Trump and for some BS, you know You made a good point earlier before we were recording about how this is like the image of this will be so explosive Just the perp walk.
shane cashman
Oh, they're literally doing it just for that I don't see a way that it doesn't backfire.
that image. They're going to use it on the left as like, look at this. We've destroyed
this monster, this boogeyman we've created on corporate media. And then the Trump side
will be like, we're going to put it on shirts and sell it.
ian crossland
Yeah, we got Nelson Mandela basically.
james klug
I don't see a way that it doesn't backfire. I see this as being, I mean, you know, you
don't want to be like indicted. That's awful.
But I see it as being amazing for Trump's campaign and Trump, honestly.
tim pool
It's gonna be like that meme of Kyle Rittenhouse and Greta Thunberg, where it says, compare our 17-year-old with their 17-year-old, tells you everything you need to know.
And the left and the right share the meme in the exact same ways.
To the left, they're like, wow, Greta Thunberg, ew, Kyle.
And the right's like, ew, Greta, wow, Kyle.
But it's the same image.
It exemplifies what Scott Adams was saying about the same screen with two different movies on it.
It's nuts.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So we're going to see a photo of Trump being arrested, and the left is going to share it and be like, oh, this proves it.
And the right's going to share it like, oh, this proves it.
ian crossland
Sounds like an NFT waiting to be made.
james klug
Right.
And I guess to clarify what I just said, fantastic for Trump when it comes to raising money, to getting his base, you know, re-energized.
Awful for the country.
tim pool
Yeah.
Awful.
If you're a Democrat, amazing for law and order and for our democracy.
And if you're a Trump supporter Republican, it's amazing for his campaign and chance for re-election.
And then all it's doing is pushing everybody into hyper-tribalization.
ian crossland
Man, when I was like 10, I learned about Nelson Mandela.
It was like in the late 80s.
And he was in jail or just got let out of jail.
And I asked my dad, like, why was he in jail?
And he was a political prisoner.
And I was like, what does that mean?
What did he do wrong?
And he's like, no, no, no.
It just means that the government didn't like him.
And I was like 10 or 11 when I learned that they could do that.
I was like, what?
They can just put you in jail if they don't like?
tim pool
Well, imagine being born in any other part of the world or at any other time.
ian crossland
Yeah, where you go out and say, I don't like that guy.
And they cut your head off on the street and be like, he talked crap about the governor.
You're not allowed to do that.
Like, we're lucky that we can protect ourselves.
james klug
We're so lucky.
And I don't think we get it for very long, to be honest with you.
I think we're slipping when it comes to that polite society, that moral society that holds on to that amazing life that we've grown up with.
I think we're slipping away from that for sure.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from Politico.
DeSantis says he won't get involved with Trump's potential indictment in any way.
Right now on Twitter.
It's heating up!
I'm seeing, uh, you know, Ben Shapiro, he's quote-tweeting Matt Walsh, internal riff at the Daily Wire over whether or not Ron DeSantis could, should, or would extradite Donald Trump.
Now it seems, based on questions asked to DeSantis himself, he's not going to get involved in the indictment in any way, which sounds like he's saying, outright, I will not extradite Donald Trump from Mar-a-Lago to New York, but What happens to a country when a state indicts a former president for the first time in history, who's also the current frontrunner, then the state where he is says, I am not going to get involved.
He's not getting extradited.
What do they do?
ian crossland
Send in the FBI to go extradite him.
tim pool
Why would the FBI do it?
ian crossland
I don't know.
shane cashman
I read somewhere that the Secret Service is supposed to be the one in charge of this.
Like, they're sent out to arrest.
tim pool
So the Secret Service will act upon a state warrant?
That doesn't seem to make sense to me.
shane cashman
No, none of it makes sense.
Yeah.
I think if you want to say we're living in a simulation in the computer type way, that it feels like AI is writing all of this.
Yeah, we're trying something new.
ian crossland
This is crazy.
This is new.
james klug
You know, I looked into it, and a lot of times, like, the only time that maybe a governor won't give someone over might be, like, for death penalty, let's say.
And they don't—one state believes in it, another state doesn't.
Never for really something like this, obviously, where it's a felony if guilty, or more likely, you know, this is more of a misdemeanor, but they're going after a felony.
But it also gets just wrapped up in the courts within the state.
The problem is, if DeSantis says he won't get involved and he commits to that, and this is actually happening, that he will absolutely not become President of the United States whenever he wants that base to support him, that Trump base.
He needs that Trump base.
tim pool
It's not just about the Trump base.
It would be an utmost sign of weakness.
And a failure of leadership if he allows Trump to be arrested.
james klug
Also, within his speech that he's talking about, you know, not getting involved, he's saying that it's political persecution.
Okay, so if you're saying it, and you're admitting to it, but you're also at the same time saying you're not going to do anything about it, are you serious?
Be a leader, like you're saying.
tim pool
Exactly, be a leader.
shane cashman
This is how you keep supporters happy, like Jeb Bush, you know?
Jeb Bush would like this rhetoric from DeSantis.
tim pool
Yes.
shane cashman
That's why he has Jeb Bush in his corner.
tim pool
It's not even.
james klug
For sure.
tim pool
It's already bad enough.
DeSantis wasn't strong enough in his statement.
Saying, I'm not going to get involved in any way is already bad enough.
If he actually lets Trump be extradited, so here's what needs to happen.
DeSantis, if he wants to prove he's presidential, he says, Donald Trump, he needs to come out and say, Donald Trump will not be extradited from this state under my watch for a political persecution.
He is the front runner for the Republican Party's 2024 presidential run.
He is a former president, and everyone can see these charges are political.
If you make any attempt to come into my state, I will use the full force of the executive branch to stop you.
That is presidential.
But he's not doing that.
He goes, I'm not going to get involved.
james klug
Yeah, and a lot of people say, like, oh, well, Trump's been taking jabs at him.
I totally understand that.
I totally get it.
But if you are looking to run for president, either 2024 or the session after, you know, if you want to be a leader, lead, like what you're saying.
I mean, lead the way.
People are saying, oh, well, he's just a governor for Florida.
What other governors are saying anything?
Well, nobody's a governor that's in the position that DeSantis is in.
tim pool
What are they so scared of?
What is everyone so scared of?
Ask yourself this question right now, and I mean this with the utmost sincerity.
What are you scared of?
Why didn't you?
Jump out of that plane when you went skydiving the first time.
When you were there with your friends, and they opened the door, and then you changed your mind at the last minute and rode the plane back down and said, I just couldn't do it.
Why didn't you go down that double black diamond with your friends when they went skiing?
What are you scared of?
Now in those circumstances, I get it.
What if my parachute fails?
What if I go too fast, I crash, I break my bones?
That I get.
For Ron DeSantis, for a political position, what are you so scared of?
What is anyone scared of when it comes to standing up?
Well, what if some bad thing happens?
Bad things are already happening!
They're talking about indicting a former president for the first time on what we know is complete BS charges, well past the statute of limitations, to try and stop him in any way they can from being president because he's winning.
What does Ron DeSantis fear by just getting on camera, looking straight into it and saying, Alvin Bragg, go fuck yourself?
What is he so scared of?
I'm sorry, I'm just frustrated because I am absolutely sick in every capacity.
So much of everyone being scared of nebulous political consequences.
I certainly don't give a shit.
And I'm thinking to myself, The last thing I'd ever want to do is be in political office, but the more I see people, even like DeSantis, refuse to say to the camera and the press, y'all can go fuck yourselves, then I'm just like, we need someone who's gonna do it.
Now I really do get why Trump won in 2016.
Now I really do get why he gained 12 million voters, and now I totally understand why so many more people wear his hats, fly his flag, because it's about time somebody just said, I don't care, fuck you, I'm doing it.
shane cashman
I think it's because DeSantis is trying to pander to like the old school politics and he's trying to be the Trump, the anti-Trump figure.
But we're in a post-Trump, post-COVID world where everything's upside down.
Everything's insane and chaotic.
But he's like this very politically vague statement is pre-COVID, pre-Trump.
And it's not going to go anywhere.
I don't know who's trying to keep happy with that kind of stuff.
james klug
And he's doing a fantastic job within his state.
I mean, he really is.
But we're talking about the fall of the nation that's at risk here.
We're talking about political persecution.
I mean, hell, how many months ago did the Biden administration literally create a ministry of frickin' truth?
ian crossland
Yeah, like eight months ago.
james klug
Things are ten times worse now.
You need to buckle up, you need to lead, because we're trying to save the country from literally becoming an all-out banana republic.
ian crossland
It's also, we have data we didn't have before.
We understand ESG and the military-industrial complex and the world, you know, the new world order that the Swiss banks, the World Economic Forum is trying to create.
We understand how the CCP is influencing social governance.
Like, we know, so we see what we want to avoid, and I think that it gives us an opportunity to create the world in the American image with like decentralized autonomy and local governance and property rights and gun rights and speech rights and things like that.
If we do nothing and bicker, they're going to create some autocracy where you get kicked off the internet, you get your bank stripped away because you said daddy wrong.
tim pool
Like that's what they're scared of.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, and I think about it, like, the reason Ron DeSantis gave the answer he gave, which was like, okay, a lot of people were cheering for it, some people rolled their eyes, I don't think it was strong enough, better than him saying, well, you know, if they want to arrest him, they're gonna have to extradite him, and I guess that'll happen, but it wasn't a very strong statement.
You know what he's worried about?
He's worried about his polling numbers.
He's worried about when he runs for the president, eventually announcing and then resigning or whatever it is he does, he's worried that it's going to look bad to a certain voter base, suburban women are going to get angry and say, oh, he's so aggressive and abusive.
And it's just like, look, man, he doesn't need to literally come out and say, go F yourself to Alvin Bragg.
It was not bad that he—it was really good, actually.
He ragged on the Soros DA, says they're evil people, destroying things.
I give him total respect for that, because that is good.
james klug
That was the best part of the speech.
Right.
tim pool
I'm just saying, like, he needs to come out and just outright say, there will not be an extradition of Donald Trump while I am governor of Florida.
Mark my words.
You will—and then, You know what I'd love to see?
You want to know what would really make him presidential?
If when Secret Service whoever does show up to Mar-a-Lago, Ron DeSantis himself stands in front of the door and says, make me.
You'll have to move me physically.
The governor of this state.
Make that happen.
I dare you.
shane cashman
That'd be gangster.
tim pool
Then people are going to be like, damn.
james klug
That would be... But he's not going to do it.
tim pool
And I like DeSantis, he's doing a great job of it.
You know, I gotta be honest, even Trump wouldn't do something like that.
ian crossland
Yeah, he said he's not gonna get involved, quotes, or whatever.
So how does this work, Extra Edition?
Does it go through the governor, where the governor has to say yes or no?
Or does it happen completely separate of the governor, only the governor can step in and stop it?
james klug
To the best of my understanding, it's not necessarily up to the governor.
Obviously, they can come out and be the face of the position of the state.
But I believe it has to do with the courts within the state and not so much the government.
The governor just says yes or no, and that's what it is.
I don't believe it's sensible.
ian crossland
Then that indicates he's going to let them get extradited, and he's not going to step in to stop it.
Because if it's his job to do it, and he says, I'm not getting involved, that indicates he's not going to do it.
But if his job is, all he can do really is stop it from happening, he says not get involved, then he's not going to stop it from happening.
james klug
Even if he was just like politically posturing and making it be known, even if he didn't have control, even if he said something like what Tim's saying, that would help.
But what he's doing right now is the exact opposite.
tim pool
You know who would do exactly what I just said?
ian crossland
Carrie Lake.
tim pool
Yep.
shane cashman
Yeah, I was thinking that too.
tim pool
Carrie Lake, 100%.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
100%.
And you knew it.
You said it right away.
No questions.
If Carrie Lake, if this was happening in her state, she would say, you will have to Physically remove me and I will I will stand in your way with my own body to stop you from making this arrest She would do it.
ian crossland
She's great man.
shane cashman
Yeah when I was with her in Phoenix I remember thinking as I was talking to her like this lady is actual counterculture, you know This is this mom in her nice dress like that's counterculture because she was badass and she meant you could tell everything She says she means that stuff.
ian crossland
You spent a lot of time with her.
Did you interview her?
shane cashman
No, it wasn't a lot of time, but it was well I guess it was a few days of me in court with her and then I interviewed her individually like Elsewhere and yeah, I thought she was incredible Incredible.
james klug
Dude, she's one of the most interesting and most effective potential, like, you know, governors out there when it comes to how she can handle the media.
There's probably no one better than her.
tim pool
I agree.
And with everything that happened with the election, with the misprinted ballots and all of that stuff in the ongoing lawsuits, we'll see where it ends up, but after seeing everything that's happened so far, And this conversation we're having right now.
I actually think if Donald Trump said she's going to be the VP, I'd say absolutely 100%.
james klug
Yeah.
shane cashman
Oh, for sure.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Before I was worried, like, well, she looked, you look, she worked in media, then she ran for office for the, I think the first time, right?
shane cashman
I think so.
tim pool
And then she doesn't get the office.
So what's the political experience of doing it?
Now, at this point, I'm kind of like, I don't care about it.
I want the opposite of political experience.
I want the media experience and I want the tenacity and the bravery.
shane cashman
So when I wrote that story, and I'm sitting in court, I think it was the first day for her trial, and I'm sitting next to this guy I end up ragging on at the end of that story, the corporate NBC type guy who's just blatantly misinterpreting the reality around him.
She walks in, sees him immediately, and looks at him and goes, oh, this guy writes fantasy.
Yes, it was amazing.
james klug
That's remarkable.
shane cashman
Yeah, she's incredible.
tim pool
I wonder, some people have speculated it might be Carrie Lake for VP, what do you guys think?
shane cashman
It would make sense, I think that would make sense.
ian crossland
Or Vivek Ramaswamy at this point, he is thrilling me because the same thing is great.
shane cashman
He's being vocal and great.
james klug
People are for some reason questioning him.
I mean, I guess question everyone, that's great, but he's been nailing it.
Every time he opens his mouth, he's incredibly intelligent, he's incredibly successful, he's so nation-oriented, I like that.
tim pool
One of the best assets that GOP has right now, he's not gonna be president, with all due respect.
But what he's doing with the conversation, he's bringing up ESG and the woke garbage, which needs to happen, and it's being brought to the front and center.
Donald Trump will, I think, right now, based on all the factors, which is gonna change in a year and a half, But if the election was held today, I think Donald Trump would win.
But the conversation and the priorities of that administration would be shifted by Vivek.
ian crossland
You already see it being shifted.
Vivek was explicit when he came on IRL, when we were at Turning Point, that what we need to do is reposition our assets, our investment assets, onto a different index that's not ESG sensitive.
So put it in local, just different indexes.
Create and use different indexes.
And it's the same thing that Biden just vetoed, is this bill to get ESG out of our investments, because they're not profitable, necessarily, they go for like social crap over profit.
And it's the same thing that DeSantis is refusing to allow into his state, and there's a coalition of other states that are refusing ESG.
tim pool
West Virginia.
ian crossland
And Virginia.
tim pool
West Virginia was doing it, I think, first.
ian crossland
It's really inspiring and Vivek's been on the ball the entire time.
james klug
Yeah, he's also, he was on the ball, he might have been the first somewhat major Republican that was speaking out against Trump's potential indictment.
shane cashman
And calling out other candidates for not doing it.
james klug
And calling out other Republicans that weren't speaking about it.
He was the first.
He literally, if you watch his videos, he just grabs his cell phone.
Yeah.
He did it right away.
shane cashman
Yeah, I appreciate that a lot.
james klug
He knew what he needed to do.
He knew what the answer was, and he didn't waste a second for a big speech or anything like that.
He jumped straight to it, took it straight to Twitter.
shane cashman
And that's the kind of off-the-cuff stuff.
james klug
Yeah.
shane cashman
Strong, you know, attitude stuff.
james klug
He would be a great VP.
shane cashman
That we liked about Trump back then, that I don't feel Trump has now, but I think being surrounded by people like Kerry or Vivek would be very, very good.
ian crossland
I think Vivek has a vision so it's easy to go off the cuff because he doesn't have to worry about saying the wrong thing because everything he already knows what needs to be said to create the vision.
I like that guy.
tim pool
I've told this story before about, well, I'll put it this way.
There's that South Park joke when the BP oil spill happened, and the guy's like, we're sorry.
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And then he's laying in his underwear like, we're sorry.
james klug
It's too good.
tim pool
But that exemplifies everything about the media, the establishment, and the politicians that I hate, and I think many Trump supporters despise.
Every response, every action is canned, predictable garbage.
You know what they're going to say before they say it because they have to say the lowest common denominator garbage talking point instead of just telling you the truth.
And Donald Trump went up on stage and said, Rosie O'Donnell was a fat pig.
And people were like, this guy's telling it like it is.
Donald Trump went before the press and said, we're selling a bunch of weapons to Saudi Arabia.
It's great.
So good for our economy.
And that's important for working class people to hear.
This is what presidents do.
Finally, you have a guy who's like, eh, screw off.
Now, here's the thing.
Trump, I think, is the herald of this personality.
Not the world ruler himself, because everybody knows Donald means world ruler and Trump means the heralding sound.
I think he comes before something else.
I think he's got to finish his arc, but there needs to be somebody, and it might be Carrie Lake, who has the tenacity of Trump, but the... What's the... I don't know, the...
The decorum, I suppose.
ian crossland
It's you.
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
But the challenge is going to be to not go psycho.
tim pool
Not me.
I'm saying that you take somebody like Donald Trump, who's willing to tell the media to screw off and F themselves, who's willing to say on stage that Rosie O'Donnell's a fat pig.
I'm not saying it's a nice thing to do.
I'm saying he was accused and he goes, only Rosie O'Donnell.
Everybody laughs.
Take that brute honesty, but add in that more... the decorum, I suppose, and you have the leader.
That might be Carrie Lake.
We may be talking about DeSantis prematurely, because as much as Carrie Lake is not the governor, She's the only person I can think of who would actually look into the camera and tell Brad to F off.
In the proper political way, you know what I mean?
Instead of saying, I'm not going to get involved, she'd say, I will physically bar him from entering my state, you know what I mean?
james klug
Yeah, DeSantis is in a tricky spot though, because he can't run for governor again.
So, you know, you could use that momentum to run for president.
That's why everyone You know, that's why everyone's talking about DeSantis.
That's why, you know, there's internal memos about like him or people talking on the inside saying
that he's planning on running for president. He's, now's his time, right? But I think
what Tim's getting to is also like, giving Trump that extra shot. You have a guy that has a
second term and that's it.
He is going to go all out.
There's no worry or thought about running again.
There's no, oh, if I do this now, I won't be electable for next election.
That's not a concern.
He can go all out.
tim pool
MAGA Unleashed.
james klug
Ultra MAGA Unleashed.
tim pool
Eyes glowing, super saiyan.
shane cashman
I'm into that. I just hope he makes up for a lot of the bad stuff I really didn't like at the end of the term.
Not just the pardonings, but I mean, he's not the first lockdown. So he kept Fauci in power.
He did warp speed. And I loved a lot of the stuff he did prior to that.
But those things almost outweigh the good for all the nerds.
tim pool
He's Proto Man.
And we need Mega Man.
Right. Anybody get that reference?
ian crossland
No, I don't know.
tim pool
Proto Man was Dr. Light's first creation.
Yeah. And I think he turned and went to work for Dr. Wiley or something.
james klug
But I do, I would blame some of that. Not all of it.
I think Trump was very good at surrounding himself with people that would consult around him that were just awful
at their jobs too.
Yeah.
Trump also made a handful of decisions on his own that were bad.
But I think also, there were some things that they were making the move to make it more electable for the next election.
Like, you can't go too extreme.
And it's like, okay, yeah, sure, a lot of people just say, do it, go for it.
But you can also totally botch your ability to get re-elected.
And so a lot of them keep that in mind when they're trying to run for a second term, is like, you can't, he had a hell of a first term, but like, you can't go unleashed Right.
Your first term BSC, it'll just, you'll shoot yourself in the foot.
shane cashman
Yeah.
And he, with the lockdowns, I mean, he, he helped give them to us, but he also did then we had this debate about state's rights again, about, you know, which state can lock down, which can't, which became beautiful for DeSantis.
You know, these are, these are good things to be arguing, but you know, having Fauci around to me is a crime.
ian crossland
Yeah.
shane cashman
What a mischaracterization.
He should have been replaced immediately.
Yeah, and yeah have that kind of faith for all the years He's been there and all the things he's done over the over
the decades in power He should not have been there for this and he should have
been taken out immediately I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean, you know remove
ian crossland
should have fired. Yeah I mean when it well, I mean he was doing what they want
what I think he was doing what he wanted I Think that's how she's got you in the medical industrial
complex. He was working for that. Yes, I like I think that the United States, the people, and probably the world is at a point where the veil is becoming lifted, like the liberal economic order is turning into the new world order.
And now it's been like, head down, don't say anything about it.
You have all these governors like, I just don't want to rock the boat.
Just keep pushing forward until it's done, until I get to retire, whatever.
But it's like, I think we got to be honest about how the transition is going to happen now for the people of the United States.
I think a leader that does that is invigorating and can build the trust of the American people and provide like a roadmap forward.
If there's no roadmap, man, people are just going to start smashing into each other.
shane cashman
I don't know if we can have a roadmap, because we exist in different dimensions.
Like we were saying earlier with the two screens, or two movies on one screen.
tim pool
The same meme!
shane cashman
Right, we don't exist together anymore, so I don't know how you bring this back.
tim pool
Let me see if I can pull this meme up, actually.
james klug
Honestly, I love the reference, like, calling it the Matrix, and people sitting on the outside of the Matrix, looking in, and then there's the people in the Matrix, that will tell you, you know, I hear all the time when I'm talking to people on the street, like, New York Times, that is objective news, that's what it is, okay?
You're on the outside, it's not liberal, like, they are not aware of any, I just want to make an argument real quick about the simulation.
and you're the exception.
tim pool
This is the meme.
It says, when you are looking for the basic difference between the left and the right,
look to the young, our 17-year-old versus their 17-year-old.
And this meme is shared by the left and the right in the exact same way to make the exact
shane cashman
same point.
I just want to make an argument real quick about the simulation.
If you guys remember, they have the same birthday too.
ian crossland
Yeah.
You have the same birthday.
shane cashman
And Greta have the same birthday.
ian crossland
Same year.
tim pool
We talked about that, I think, when he was on the show.
shane cashman
With him, with Rittenhouse.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
Luke encouraged him to get married.
tim pool
This is crazy!
shane cashman
Crazy.
tim pool
She's a foreign, leftist, climate change, global elite, and he is a working class, suburban slash rural, American kid.
unidentified
Insane.
shane cashman
But you're in that dimension.
In the other dimension, they flip it almost.
And see her as the working class, right?
tim pool
No, no.
shane cashman
Well, I think they do.
I think they see her as like this more blue collar, like activist and they see him as like this privileged elitist.
james klug
Honestly, I actually, I think, I think one of them obviously stands for liberty and they are incredibly opposed to that.
Everything that, that, that, that image stands for, they're incredibly opposed to when it comes to like the liberal elite and control and, and you know, Passing more government regulation when it comes to climate change and everything like that that Agenda is the most attractive thing to them because that agenda to them is safety.
ian crossland
It's that like Government-controlled safe world that you live in whereas the other ones a little bit more risky, but there's more Liberty I can sense as they're keep advancing carbon capture technology now like oil companies are withdrawing the carbon from the air and storing it underground they're learning how to turn it into graphene for building it's the the The momentum of the climate change thing is fizzling.
I can sense it on the internet.
It's just not exciting to complain about the future of carbon when people know you can easily, or at least actively pull it out.
It's becoming obvious that the next problem is going to be taking too much carbon out of the air.
james klug
That's really interesting that you're saying that.
I'm not even familiar with that.
But technology, every single year.
tim pool
It's like the poop in New York.
james klug
It's just going to keep getting better and better.
tim pool
They were concerned about horse crap on the streets of New York and then the car got invented.
So, do you guys know about 15-minute cities?
shane cashman
Sort of.
tim pool
I've heard of it.
This idea that in the future everybody will live within 15 minutes of whatever they need.
You'll never need to really go anywhere.
You'll have whatever you want.
There's this really funny video I just saw.
Someone sent it to me.
And it's a guy explaining 15-minute cities.
And he says, I want to explain to you the concept of the 15-minute city.
And then he walks up to this shed thing and opens it and there's chickens standing there.
And he goes, these are its citizens.
Inside their 15-minute city, they have everything they could ever need.
Then they walk inside and it goes, there is food and water readily available.
Now they can leave whenever they want, but they don't want to, because it's scary and it's dangerous outside.
And why?
Inside here, they own nothing, but they're happy.
And then he walks into the room and he's like, this is where they produce things that I can take for free.
And then he picks the eggs up and he puts them in his sweater and he's like, here's a couple, here's a couple.
And he's like, see, in the 15 minute city, you will owe nothing, you will be happy, you'll be provided for, and then we can take everything from you.
And I'm like, it really is a great video explaining what their plan is.
How these city planners, how the Davos group types want to run the show.
Treating us like chickens, making us do the work that they can take, and keeping you locked in a chicken coop.
shane cashman
They want you living and dying on an assembly line.
You know, that's it.
ian crossland
As you guys were saying that, I was like, well, they don't want him doing that.
They want, like, a thinking class of people to join them, basically.
Like, do you guys think about the plebs and the elites?
Like, do you think there's a class differential?
The Romans would say it's the plebs.
Was it, like, a nutrition issue?
Like, all these people, they're from people that didn't have nutrition for generations.
They've been bred to be stupid workers.
And then the elite class have all the good food.
They can think.
They can write the law.
tim pool
Yeah, it's the... What is it?
The Morlocks and the which ones?
The... I don't know.
Was it Morlocks?
ian crossland
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
tim pool
Yeah, time machine or something?
shane cashman
Oh, but there's definitely a class issue in this country.
tim pool
What was the intelligent ones?
ian crossland
I'm looking at Morlocks, fictional species.
The antagonists are the Morlocks.
tim pool
He goes to the future where humans have evolved into two different species.
One's really dumb and one's really smart.
ian crossland
This is from the time machine.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, LOI?
tim pool
LOI, that's what it is.
LOI or something?
unidentified
Yeah, LOI.
tim pool
Take a look at this article in the Daily Mail.
If there's a civil war, I'm fighting.
Trump loyalists face off with staunch liberals outside former president's NYC tower on the eve of his rumored arrest.
I saw this article, and I thought it was really funny, considering the context, because, like, I appreciate the protesters, right?
But I was thinking about it, and, like, I see this picture of this dude.
I don't know who he is.
Dion Sinney, 54, founder of TrumpSwag.com, eating that cheeseburger and the french fries, and I'm like... Look, he doesn't look like he's out of shape or anything.
I'm just like, think about what this civil war is going to look like.
It's not gonna... So, like, the Confederates had just... I don't know if you guys have ever seen a true Confederate uniform.
Very basic.
Union uniforms were, like, blue or whatever.
It was all very basic, mass-produced stuff.
But, like, a modern Civil War is gonna be weird as hell.
There's gonna be people wearing, like, Uniqlo turtlenecks in Antifa.
shane cashman
It'll be, like, Walmart versus Forever 21.
Those are the outfits.
tim pool
Well, I mean, worse than that, it's gonna be, like, Hunger City, like, Hunger Games, Capital City people with, like, you know, half their head is shaved and the hair is spiked
to the side and they've got weird body modifications and they're gonna be waving gigantic multicolor flags of
all different kinds you can't discern who is on what side because all the flags
are different but all you know is that the flag doesn't have Trump on it,
they're probably not on your side then you're gonna have people waving Trump flags of all
different types and it's like it's gonna get crazy
james klug
Yeah, it'll be the they-them army against, uh, probably, probably a pretty, that'd be, they'd be pretty heavily armed.
I would imagine the right wing would be, you know.
ian crossland
Yeah.
james klug
A lot of people bring up, like, the military getting involved and whatnot.
I would imagine if they were to actually go down, it's not like military versus you, it's military splits as well.
same as the nation. Military leaders that are more right leaning and you know, believe
in whatever they would believe in and side with that side.
tim pool
And people, man, I think people really need to start reading about the Civil War because
I am by no means an expert in any way, but even just visiting Gettysburg, I'm like, oh,
so much I did not know.
Like, for instance, I learned when I went to Gettysburg that one of the reasons the Confederates lost was because they were using muzzle-loaded rifles, but the Union had upgraded to breech-loading rifles.
That means the Union, what breech-loading is, you crack, the gun kind of breaks in half on a hinge, like a shotgun.
You know, you ever see like Elmer Fudd load a shotgun?
Breach-load, you break it open, you put the shell in, you close it, you can fire.
The Confederates were trying to muzzle-load, and the Union soldiers were just firing.
Boom!
Real quickly.
That was a technological advantage.
A lot of people don't know that.
They don't know what happened or why.
Most people don't know the Confederates could have won the war in the first fight.
I think the first battle of Bull Run, they could have just walked into D.C.
and won instantly.
And they decided not to.
So much.
So much.
But the important thing is, the reason I bring it up, how, I think it was like, was it Lee?
Who was talking, they're all West Point guys.
And then they were like, but I can't fight against my own state.
I have no choice but to leave and go back home.
People don't get that.
That you're gonna have somebody who's gonna be like, I grew up here.
You are not gonna send me to occupy my own street corner.
Somebody who was born and raised in West Virginia, who is like now living in DC, because it's only about an hour, two hour drive, depending on where you're at.
I mean, if you're in central West Virginia, it could be four or five hours.
But then they're like, okay, now we're gonna have you go with this gun to, you know, your state.
And they're gonna be like, ah, I don't know if I can do that.
That will happen.
shane cashman
Shelby Foote is a historian, someone I was looking at a lot reading when I was writing this book, and he said, he's from the South, he said something about the Union thought they were fighting to keep the Union together, and the South was fighting the second American Revolution.
But there are a lot of people who live down there who didn't give a crap about the war at all, but if you came into their territory, they're gonna fight you.
Which to the Union looks like you're a confederate, but they're just defending the property as an invading force.
tim pool
Exactly.
shane cashman
Yeah.
And in the South, they were like, there would be sons who saw the North as an invading force and their fathers fought the British in the revolution who saw the British as an invading force.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
So it's like two generations in a row basically of fighting invading forces.
tim pool
And that's crazy.
shane cashman
Super crazy.
unidentified
Wow.
james klug
It's wild.
I mean, I haven't even checked out any of that stuff.
I haven't gone to any of those battlegrounds or anything like that.
You need to.
tim pool
Gettysburg is a cool place.
I mean, the whole city is basically a Civil War museum.
shane cashman
Antietam's close too.
ian crossland
Harper's Ferry as well.
Yeah, Antietam.
tim pool
We ride our bikes past Antietam.
Whenever we go up to, what's that little town?
Do you know which one it is?
shane cashman
Hagerstown?
tim pool
No, no, no.
There's a little bitty one.
shane cashman
Sharpsburg.
tim pool
Sharpsburg!
shane cashman
The best ice cream in Maryland.
james klug
I know, man.
tim pool
For those that don't know, there's like this really famous, it's like a dollar for this bowl of ice cream.
It's crazy.
shane cashman
Antietam's right there and it's beautiful.
tim pool
And they've put up all of these Civil War informational things everywhere you go.
We're really close to John Brown's raid headquarters in Harper's Ferry.
shane cashman
John Brown's house is the only place I ever felt a Black Lives Matter flag should be.
I was like, okay, that makes sense there.
ian crossland
The one in Ohio?
shane cashman
For John Brown?
No, in Harper's Ferry.
tim pool
I agree.
John Brown, I think, was a crazy person.
I think he had something right about slavery being bad, obviously.
shane cashman
He went about it in a different way.
tim pool
Yeah, he went about it in a wrong way.
But that's the problem I have with Antifa too.
Antifa is like, hey, there's a bad thing happening in government.
I'm like, yeah, I really agree about that.
So why did you firebomb a black person's business?
And you know, it's like, well, like dude, John Brown raids an armory and none of the slaves wanted to fight with him.
They were like, dude, what are you doing?
shane cashman
With all his sons?
tim pool
Yeah.
And it's just not to mention he just went and murdered people.
And then there's Bleeding Kansas and all that stuff.
A lot of people were like, dude, we agree with you, but This is not the way we want to go about doing it.
I don't know.
I don't think he was right.
But there's a question of whether or not the people who are refusing to fight were right as well.
shane cashman
I believe he thought slavery was just going against God.
And he had a calling by God, I believe, to go do it.
tim pool
But he wasn't right about going and shooting people in the face.
shane cashman
The violence part is where I stop too.
I obviously don't want violence.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think of that like abortion clinics and stuff.
shane cashman
I think the first person hanged by the federal government.
Is that true?
tim pool
No, he was in Virginia, I'm pretty sure.
shane cashman
I think he was one of the first people.
I forget where it was.
I have to look that up.
One of the first people of something.
Other than destroying all those things.
james klug
We did a video the other day asking people if...
The Civil War was enough payment for like slavery reparations and stuff like if that was enough payment in terms of what like in terms of like there's talk about just a bunch of cash but yeah yeah the bloodshed and stuff seems like hey was that a sufficient payment for slavery or no?
shane cashman
I love when white people are saying that uh this they did nothing white people did nothing for slavery I'm like well white people also did fight the Civil War too and won it you should know and stopped it right not only did Hundreds of thousands of lives lost.
tim pool
Like two million.
unidentified
Horrible.
shane cashman
There are scenes in this book that are based on diary entries from different soldiers from all over the place, from both sides, that you can smell the blood in their diary, in terms of how they write it.
Between 600 and one million dead.
tim pool
about between six between six hundred one million dead yeah and so on the
Union side you had two hundred ninety thousand dead Union soldiers the
Confederate side was three hundred sixty five thousand dead soldiers
The total casualties, injured, prison of war, etc.
864,000 on the Union side and 828,000 on the Confederate side.
So it's like 290,000 people died, 864,000 people suffered some kind of injury.
228,000 on the Confederate side. So it's like 290,000 people died
864,000 people suffered some kind of injury. Is that not enough for the country to be ripped apart?
for people to be shooting and killing each other for the the march to the sea the ransacking and destruction of the
burning of Richmond None of that!
When they come out and they're like, this country was built on slavery, it's like, and it was also burned down partly because of it.
So I mean, I kind of feel like, you know, the payment's done.
james klug
You know, when slavery was abolished, the population was like 25 million people.
So, you know, obviously it's evil what was happening with slavery, but to suggest that the country was built on slavery, it's like, really?
The slaves built New York?
What are you talking about?
tim pool
I mean, to be fair, like, in a certain respect, yes, in a lot of these places, slaves did construction, slaves worked at the stores, and a lot of people don't understand this either, Most, most, I would imagine if you ask, you should maybe do this, most Americans' view of a slave is probably coming from these movies where it's like a black man in a field being whipped.
What they don't also realize is that a lot of slaves were like cobblers, and they were people in cities working at stores and doing regular trade work, but they just weren't getting, they weren't free to leave, they couldn't do whatever they wanted, they couldn't own property, they couldn't read or write, or some of them could, but they typically couldn't.
People don't understand that Slaves did all manners of work.
And, like, none of it was good.
Taking away someone's agency to strip them from the work they produce is like the antithesis of what this country is supposed to be.
But, in that respect, yeah, in places like New York, slaves did provide a large component.
And then, the country ripped in half.
shot at each other like crazy, cities were burnt to the ground, nearly two million people suffered
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
some kind of casualty with nearly a million dead, and I'm kind of like, what is that one twenty
fifth of the entire population suffered, uh, died? What was, let me, let me, let me.
james klug
No, that's right, that's right, yeah. I think 25 million would probably be
a high estimate during the Civil War.
ian crossland
Is that adult age or total?
james klug
I think that's total.
I believe that's total.
Off the top of my head, 25 million.
31 million people.
In 1860, the U.S.
tim pool
population was 31 million.
I wonder how many adults.
were third in 1860 the US population was 31 million. I wonder how many adults. So one
thirtieth of the country died because of yeah mostly because of slavery.
I mean, you ask people who are from the South, and who have family and history, they'll tell you it wasn't because of slavery, and people need to understand the nuance there.
It's like you were saying, for somebody who just lived in, you know, I don't know, Arkansas or something, you've got Union soldiers marching through, shooting, burning, and you're like, I don't know or care.
You know, you're fighting.
james klug
Right.
shane cashman
The other thing is, people will look at the Civil War and be like, the Union's all good, Confederate's all bad.
I mean, if you know anything about history, it's just, that's such a false way of looking at it.
tim pool
Pretty sure the most evil dude in the whole thing was Sherman.
shane cashman
Sherman hated black people, wrote about it fairly extensively, and then also was okay with one of his guys, who was I believe a general, someone beneath him though, so he's not a general, but he was a Union guy who happened to be named Jefferson Davis.
Oddly enough.
So the simulation's been happening since the Civil War.
But this Union soldier named Jefferson Davis was in charge of... They didn't like freed slaves following them, so they killed them.
They pulled out the bridge from beneath them as they were trying to cross a river in Georgia during the March to the Sea.
Killed them.
I believe it was hundreds.
I put it in the book.
It's a crazy thing.
And that's fine.
tim pool
Real quick, for people who don't know, the March to the Sea, I believe, was the first instance of scorched earth.
shane cashman
Scorched Earth here, yeah.
tim pool
Damn, dude.
shane cashman
Scorched Earth.
tim pool
Scorched Earth refers to, in war, destroying arable land, burning down houses, killing civilians, etc., so that nothing can be rebuilt and you decimate their chance at reconstruction.
shane cashman
They would make Sherman neckties, they'd burn the railroad tracks and then pull them and stretch them around trees so the trains couldn't get to the Confederate camps, burned everything down.
And then there's a lot of people who would claim that Sherman came to their house and burnt it down.
But there were also people who were, like, advantageous and become marauders and had nothing to do with Sherman, but then went and destroyed things to pilfer.
tim pool
That's still his fault.
shane cashman
Exactly.
Yeah.
Because he created the atmosphere where it's actual hell on earth.
He said he wanted to make the South, I believe, squeal.
tim pool
Scorched earth, man.
ian crossland
That did it to Germany.
tim pool
That's so evil, dude.
shane cashman
Well, it's not.
ian crossland
It's not.
It's a war tactic.
It's really not.
tim pool
Yeah, no, it's war.
shane cashman
No, Sherman, Sherman.
I'm sorry.
I put this in the book.
I look at Sherman as our first atom bomb, you know, and yeah, he went down to the south and just decimated.
And those people are reeling from that to the today, like in the town in the book.
You know, even though Sherman didn't make it to this exact town, these people have family
dating back to the revolution in Georgia, pre Georgia, pre United States.
And they're still feeling like effects from just how decimated Georgia was from the ocean
tim pool
to the sea.
So for the people who are in the South, because there was a percentage of these states who
were in favor of staying with the union and who oppose slavery.
In fact, Virginia initially voted to stay with the Union, and it wasn't until the federal troops got sent down to Fort Sumter that they decided, or I think it was slightly after this, they were like, whoa, this is getting crazy, we're going to break off, and then four more states joined.
So what people don't realize is that these states weren't in unison being like, hurrah, secession!
There was a vote, and there was a split, and there was debate.
So let's say you're a family that just happened to live in Georgia.
Let's put it this way.
Let's put it in a modern context.
Let's say you are living in Shepherdstown, West Virginia.
It's like fairly woke, huh?
shane cashman
Oh yeah.
tim pool
But you're in West Virginia, which is 86% MAGA.
Imagine if there was a civil war and West Virginia, being MAGA country, gets invaded by Union soldiers and then the Union.
Let's say Federal National Guard come in, take over your house, occupy it.
You have no idea why, even though you're like, I don't agree with these people.
I don't like what's going on.
There's gunfights and they burn down your property and everything your family owned is now gone.
Do you deserve reparations?
After the war is done, immediately after, should they come and say, we're sorry that
our invasion of the state had a negative impact on you. We are going to help rebuild your home.
james klug
Actually, at the that's there's actually, I believe, like a statute for that, because it's
like during some current, it has to fall around like a current time. So you would deserve reparations
from the federal government if immediately after if the federal government did something like that.
shane cashman
And I will say real quick about the massacre, about what I was saying with Sherman and March to the Sea, Lincoln did go down and then he took some land from people and gave it to the families of the free slaves who did survive.
tim pool
Well, so here's my point.
Let's say you were a family in Georgia, and you're like, we don't like slavery, we don't want to be involved in slavery, we don't want to secede from the Union, we can't control it, we're not in politics, we're just some farmers who mind our own business.
Then Sherman comes, walks up to your house and throws a torch in it, destroys everything, Your kids struggle to survive.
Maybe some siblings die.
Now it's a hundred or so years later and you're living in a trailer where your family used to be, you know, farmers of modest living and moderate living.
You are now impoverished.
Do you deserve reparations for the destruction the Union forces brought to your land?
shane cashman
If it's a hundred years later, I have a hard time saying yes to that.
tim pool
I'm not saying yes or no.
I'm saying when they go to Californians and say, we're gonna give you reparations despite the fact that California was admitted as a free state and has always been against it.
It's like, It's just absolutely ridiculous.
james klug
Well, what they're talking about in California is San Francisco, they're talking about $5 million per descendant of slave or whatever.
You have to check a couple boxes.
There's like eight options.
And if you check like a few of them or whatever, you can get that $5 million.
And it's like an unbelievable amount of money.
But also California as a whole, July, they have $223,000 that they're trying to give to each descendant of slave in the state.
tim pool
You don't need to be black.
You need to identify as black.
james klug
It did say that.
tim pool
That's true.
And so we went over this and there's certain criteria where someone like Rachel Dolezal will be eligible.
No joke.
unidentified
Let's move on from... That's the clown world, baby.
james klug
I think they should do it.
tim pool
Look, I gotta mention too, the Greta Kyle Rittenhouse birthday thing is really crazy.
shane cashman
It's crazy.
tim pool
But let's move on to the next apocalyptic story, and that's the banking collapse.
Because we have this from the Washington Post.
Why $17 billion in Credit Suisse bonds became worthless.
I don't care about Credit Suisse.
It's a big bank.
It's imploding.
UBS.
What is that?
United Banking System or something like that?
I think Union or something.
Let's just double check because I forget.
What is it?
ian crossland
It's not telling me.
tim pool
It's not telling you?
Just do UBS Wiki, bro.
ian crossland
Union Bank of Switzerland.
tim pool
Union Bank of Switzerland.
You see, there you go.
ian crossland
They're going to buy out... It was formerly the Union Bank of Switzerland, then they changed it to UBS, I see.
It used to stand for something, now it just stands for UBS.
unidentified
It's an investment bank, basically.
tim pool
So UBS is going to buy Credit Suisse, but their bonds are worthless.
What people are basically saying is that the whole system is collapsing.
And we have this tweet from Balaji, which is very shocking to the point where it's got a lot of people angry.
He says, So James Medlock says, I will bet anyone $1,000,000 the US does not enter hyperinflation.
Balaji says, I will take that bet.
Now this guy is the former CTO of Coinbase, which is a crypto exchange.
He says, you buy one Bitcoin, I will send $1,000,000 in USD.
This is 40 to 1 odds, as one Bitcoin is worth $26,000.
It's currently at like $28,000.
The term is 90 days.
All we need is a mutually agreed custodian who will still be there to settle this in the event of digital dollar devaluation.
He is saying outright, he thinks that one Bitcoin will be worth one million dollars in three months.
And the argument is, he shows these graphs about Federal Reserve weekly remittances to Treasury.
Look at this, going back to 2011.
Even when things were bad, they weren't this bad.
james klug
Whoa.
tim pool
Look at unrealized gains and losses.
Even when they were bad, it was never this bad.
He's got another one showing all the same things.
And we already saw this other tweet that we talked about last week that said the bond market believes the system has already collapsed.
If that's the case, what he's arguing is people think we live in an analog world.
It's exactly how he says it.
And that means analog takes a long time.
But we're not in that world anymore.
It's digital.
Information transmission is instant, which means it's either one or it's zero.
Everybody knows it happened or nobody knows it happened.
Back in the day, if there was a market collapse, the only people who knew were the people at the market.
They're in the stock exchange going, what's happening?
Then they send pony riders out with letters to inform the investors who then panic.
I can't remember which show I was watching.
Or a movie or something where a guy goes to withdraw money in California, but the bank has shut down.
And so he has to race the bank messengers to a northern bank to beat the message.
The idea is the company's freezing withdrawals because they're going out of business or something like that's happening.
Bank's collapsing.
So the bank, he goes and says, sorry, sir, you can't have your money because we're shutting down.
He then has to get to a northern branch, which is like three hours ride before the messenger gets there.
Because if he gets there first, he withdraws money, then the messenger comes and shuts it down.
That's how it used to be.
It's crazy.
Today, before you even know, they've already made a phone call.
So what's going to happen when people finally realize the banks are bust?
It's going to be near instantaneous that the dollar breaks.
That's his bet.
A lot of people are calling him crazy because for Bitcoin to reach $1,000,000 in three months, I told him I'll take his bet.
Here's what I'll do.
I said, I'll buy two Bitcoin, $56,000.
It's 50, what is it?
ian crossland
It's at- 29, 28 right now.
28?
tim pool
Roughly, yeah.
So $56,000.
And my worst case scenario is, when I lose one of those Bitcoin, I'll get a million dollars for my 56,000.
I'm not gonna cry about it, right?
So that's why I'm like, I can't believe those odds.
james klug
Wait, is he saying, he's saying, I will send- He will send- One million dollars.
tim pool
He made a bet with this guy.
So I hit him up.
We're gonna try and do some kind of... I might do a show with him for The Culture War, we'll figure it out.
But he is saying that he is going to put up $1,000,000 cash for one Bitcoin.
That's the wager. Because he's betting the buying power of the dollar becomes trash and
the Bitcoin becomes worth a million bucks. I think he's attempting to instill confidence
ian crossland
when you talk about economics. Confidence is the backbone of the economic system.
If people don't believe in the currency, they won't use it and it loses value. So he's attempting
to create value for Bitcoin, but I think it sounds freaking insane.
He's asking for a 10, 40 times increase in the value of Bitcoin in the next 90 days?
tim pool
40 times increase.
So a lot of people are saying he's trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
By making this bet, he's gotten a ton of attention for it.
james klug
What's the traffic on the tweet?
tim pool
I'm curious.
11.5 million views.
james klug
There's traffic on it.
tim pool
Yep.
And there's a bunch of news stories have been written about it.
Because He told me he's doing it.
He is going to put up the million dollars in cash.
The dude's probably worth several hundred million or whatever.
He's an early Bitcoin investor, so he's probably very loaded and can easily afford to do the million dollars.
But this guy needs only to bet $26,000.
For a chance to win one million.
Is that a bet worth taking?
ian crossland
Does he lose the Bitcoin to the guy if it doesn't appreciate?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
That's the point.
ian crossland
Don't gamble money you don't have.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
He doesn't lose it.
ian crossland
Oh, well, then the worst case scenario is you still have your Bitcoin in 90 days.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Listen, listen.
Balaji wagers 1 million in cash, and this guy James Medlock wagers 1 bitcoin.
ian crossland
And then the winner takes both?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
I see.
unidentified
Right, right.
ian crossland
Yeah, don't bet money you don't have.
tim pool
You don't take both, you just don't lose what you have.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
So if the guy buys a bitcoin and it stays at $30,000 in 90 days, he gets a million bucks.
So, so what's, what's, what's, what's, what's the downside?
ian crossland
Is he going to take this?
Is he's doing this deal with more than one person or is this just like a publicity scheme?
tim pool
He said, you know, here's what, here's the thing.
He said he was going to do it with two, two people.
He said, I will do it with Medlock and one other person, sufficient to prove the point.
So I reached out to him and said, bro, I'll do it.
And I don't even disagree with you about Bitcoin and the banks.
I just disagree on the 90 days thing.
james klug
Did he respond to you?
tim pool
He said he's only going to do it with this one guy, but he'll come on and we'll talk about it, which I think would be really great.
However, I don't think he's in the US.
So we've got to try and figure something out.
I was like, maybe we can do something for the Culture War podcast.
Or I'll just do a short segment for Tim Cass News, because I think talking to him about this is important.
james klug
So he's making this bet with one person.
I'm just making this clear.
tim pool
One person.
james klug
Okay, one person.
And that person's already been selected.
tim pool
It's the guy who said, we're not going to enter hyperinflation.
james klug
Okay, okay.
tim pool
I don't care about the Bitcoin thing.
Look, if you don't care about Bitcoin, ignore this.
It's fine.
But what you should care about is the data he provides on the banking system collapse.
So, of course, his whole perspective is Bitcoin is better, but what he's showing in terms of his sources is the unrealized losses and massive collapse of treasuries, bonds, and the banking system.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is the collapse.
You wonder if things are going to collapse.
We are in the collapse right now.
That is why banks are buying other banks.
That is a sign of the collapse.
tim pool
That's the bailout.
This is what people don't realize either.
UBS buying Credit Suisse is the bailout.
This is what's going to happen.
Here's my prediction.
You got First Republic Bank is crumbling.
The shares dropped again like 35 bounced to minus 8.
It was like minus 35 then minus 18.
Despite the fact they're going to do a 30 billion dollar infusion.
Despite the fact that the Fed was going to put in what I think like 2 trillion or something.
What's gonna happen is a bank will buy the failing bank, and they'll say, see, it got bought out.
Then the Fed will issue their easing or loans to the bank who made the purchase as a way of doing a workaround bailout.
Instead of doing a direct government bailout or a direct Fed bailout, a private bank will make the purchase, and they'll say, no, there's no banks collapsing.
They were just mismanaged, and this powerful private bank bought them up.
james klug
There's nothing I see here.
tim pool
Making it stronger.
And then that private bank behind the scenes says, okay, Fed, pony up.
And the Fed will be like, Printing the money as we speak!
ian crossland
And they give them a bigger loan because their new valuation with the new acquisition of the new bank makes their company worth more money.
The UBS is actually a result of a merger.
That's why they went from Union Bank of Switzerland in 1998, they bought Swiss Bank Corporation, became UBS.
I think this global bank conglomeration thing is massively dangerous because it gives a small group of people the ability to turn off your money.
tim pool
So let's... Yes.
Yeah.
Let's play a game real quick.
One Bitcoin right now is at 28,000, you said?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And it is unfathomable to us that it could reach $1 million in 90 days.
I mean, maybe 100,000, because it was at 60-something its peak last time.
But what if I were to say this?
What if I were to say not that Bitcoin is going to go from 26,000 to $1,000,000 in 90 days?
What if I was to say the second and third largest banking collapse in U.S.
history would happen within two days of each other?
Would you believe that?
You'd say, what, in two days?
The second and third biggest banking collapse.
Imagine if he came out before Silicon Valley Bank collapsed when Silvergate first broke.
And he said, I will bet you $1,000,000 in cash.
You put up $26,000.
I put up $1,000,000.
If I'm right, I get $26,000.
If you're right, you get $1,000,000.
In two days, the second and third largest banking collapses in history will happen.
Who would not take that bet?
They'd be like, pfft.
You think, hit two?
Two!
Black Swan event.
Two historical moments are gonna happen in two days.
I'll do that bet, I'm gonna win a million bucks!
And then you'd lose 20 grand.
You'd lose 25 grand.
ian crossland
I think it's more likely that Wells Fargo collapses on Friday than it is that Bitcoin is a million dollars a night it is.
I think it's more likely we're gonna see the biggest bank in the world collapse.
Even if it did hit a million dollars, it would be there for, like, a week.
And then it would fall to 300.
control the value of Bitcoin, they're going to jack it up, then there's going to be a
bunch of people will buy, then all the top dollars will sell off, then it'll drop again,
and the whole time they'll be getting ready to switch out your US dollars for US central
bank coins, so you're not going to have to worry about dollars, and then they're going
to make Bitcoin look like a bad guy, and they make the USDC look awesome, the digital currency
is like the saving card.
james klug
Yeah, even if it did hit a million dollars, it would be there for like a week.
tim pool
And then it would fall to 300.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the cycle of Bitcoin.
ian crossland
They'll jack it up to 60 again, and then all these people will buy, and they'll be like,
I missed the boat, it'll be 80, and then the huge sell off.
I mean, that's what they've been doing with it, I don't know.
tim pool
The scary thing is if Bitcoin starts rising to a million rapidly, then a bunch of people
buy in, and then it drops to 40.
And then everyone's dead.
dead broke and they say, see, this is the problem of crypto.
You need a stable cryptocurrency that we can moderate, create a depression, bring in a
new banking system, Federal Reserve's digital crypto asset management fund.
And then they say, for all those who saw tremendous losses due to Bitcoin, we will be issuing
U.S. digital coin, Fed coin, so that you can, you know, have some money back as a major
bailout to the working class people.
Every liberal will be like, the government should bail these people out.
Bitcoin was a scam the whole time and we've all been saying it.
And this is what bails are for.
Are you opposed to the people being bailed out?
unidentified
That could be the whole plan.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I've been kind of like accepting this digital currency, this USBC.
I find myself kind of feeling defeated and like, oh, what they're going to do, this is going to happen.
But like Vivek Ramaswamy is super against it.
Like, no, we are not having a digital currency.
We're not going into the ESG.
james klug
You mentioned just a few moments ago like turning off people's ability to grab their money or use their money when it came to like banks merging.
That would be Way worse.
ian crossland
Dude, if two guys in West Virginia were trying to buy hamburgers, and then some banker in Switzerland was like, no, sorry dude, that's why we fought a revolution.
You don't get to control my money.
That's my job.
That's my Congress.
That's why we have a Congress.
james klug
Yeah, I don't see a way that, you know, if the government gets involved in that, I don't see a way that, like, that doesn't go south.
Incredibly quickly.
shane cashman
Just like in California when they were turning off thermostats.
Or was it California or Colorado?
james klug
It was California.
Or both.
It might have been Colorado.
shane cashman
But they were turning off the thermostats, right?
unidentified
That was in Colorado, yeah.
shane cashman
Like that, I reject.
I don't like electric cars for that reason because they're talking about turning off cars and making them drive back to the dealership or whatever if you're being repoed.
Not having your autonomy is disturbing.
That world with digital currency, although I like it, If the government isn't in control of it, I reject that.
ian crossland
It would imply you have to have a secondary currency.
You would have to.
You cannot rely on digital bankers.
shane cashman
Which is what crypto should be now, before it's regulated by the government.
ian crossland
It is, but cash is good because you can't track it, or it supposedly is untrackable, and it's just between you and the receiving party.
shane cashman
Everything's trackable now.
ian crossland
Yeah, like if a dude sells his cow to somebody for some cheese, why is anyone in the world involved in that?
It's so weird.
I understand maybe local taxes, maybe, because you were cleaning up the roads, you want to make sure that it's not raining poop on the cow, so like we've got fire department making sure your barn doesn't burn down.
shane cashman
Just let me buy a cow in peace without any government, you know?
I just want to be, I'm quickly becoming off the grid as fast as possible and as much as possible.
james klug
We're not going that direction anytime soon.
We're going further and further into more taxes, more government hands into our business.
shane cashman
Their hands in your pockets always and forever.
james klug
Every transaction possible.
tim pool
And do you know about the line?
The city in Saudi Arabia?
james klug
I saw it.
I don't know much about it, but I did see it.
Incredibly creepy.
It sounds dystopian.
tim pool
Fake, but apparently they're actually going to build it.
james klug
I think they got started on it.
tim pool
It's a 15 minute city.
It's one of these things where they put all the humans in one little box.
shane cashman
That's attractive to a lot of people today.
A lot of people want to live that way.
ian crossland
So gross.
A border wall.
I think it was... God, someone was calling it a border wall.
james klug
It was a border wall, but you can live in it.
ian crossland
These are the people that get to fight when the border gets attacked because they're the one that live in the border wall.
james klug
Just cannon fodder up front.
shane cashman
Yeah, human shields.
You're a human shield and you're 15 in the city.
james klug
Now, haven't there been studies where it's like they compare it to cities with like rats and everybody's really close and there's a lot more illnesses and all that stuff.
unidentified
Yep.
james klug
Won't they see outbreaks like that in an area such as that or would that just... Yes!
shane cashman
Look at cruise ships!
james klug
I mean, I feel like they tried the same thing as the line, but with rats, and it's worked out awfully.
shane cashman
You have to be massively vaccinated in your 15-minute city as well.
Every day, probably.
tim pool
You see that video that's going around of Fauci walking around asking people, and they're yelling out, it's remarkable.
ian crossland
It's from 2021!
Can we play a bit of that?
tim pool
Yeah, we should.
ian crossland
We'll get it up on the members only and then try and take some voice chats from the discord server He goes to some dude's house and is like trying to serve him the vaccine and the guy's like that like the flu and they're like Well, it's different than the flu.
shane cashman
Isn't it weird when you try to pay someone to take it?
james klug
Yeah, Ian, that response from that guy, I knew that was going to be the response as soon as I saw the guy.
I was like, okay, I've talked to enough black Americans on the street to where they are so conservative and upfront and will give you the facts.
Just say it the way it is.
Every single time, I knew exactly what we were going to get.
And it's a shock that they're not, like, overwhelmingly conservative because they tell you how it is.
And he responded exactly how, like, any person on the street, if I were to go talk to somebody about that, any black male that I would talk to on the street, they'd say the same thing.
Super straightforward about it.
Super based response.
And you're, like, shocked that they still, you know, the black community in the United States overwhelmingly votes Democrat.
It doesn't make it.
Well, I guess it kind of makes sense because they tend to You know, jump on the race topics and everything like that.
But it was an awesome video.
shane cashman
Far and wide their values are lean conservative.
james klug
Well, that's what I'm saying.
They're incredibly conservative values.
shane cashman
The old school Democrats did too, like I was looking at Carter.
He was fairly conservative.
People looked at him and they were like, they don't know if he's conservative or liberal back in the day because he had conservative values.
james klug
It's a conservative community for sure.
ian crossland
100%.
james klug
And I knew he was going to respond like that too when I saw the video and it was awesome.
shane cashman
And it's also okay to distrust the government fully.
And, you know, that guy knew immediately something was fishy, if they're coming around.
I mean, that was probably around the same time that the mayor of New York City was saying, I'll give you a hamburger, taking this vaccine.
james klug
Well, I think they're paying for it.
shane cashman
They were giving you roller coaster rides, hamburgers, fries, paying you for it, cruise ships, I don't know.
james klug
He's like, if you guys are paying me to take this, this is all, this is as many red flags as I need.
ian crossland
While you were talking, you said something about a black male, and then I thought about the word black male, which is like where you force someone to do a crime for you.
I'm like, what is this black and white crap?
Like, black is the evil dark color in so many things.
tim pool
Because of night and day.
ian crossland
And then they tell, like, you're the black person.
You're the white, a being of light.
Like, you're the godly white person, and you are the dark black.
Like, come on!
tim pool
You're getting too much into it.
james klug
Night and day and night time.
ian crossland
Zuby's into it.
tim pool
Light and dark, white and black had to do with daylight being warm and safe and it made plants grow and darkness was scary and there were predators and you were cold.
ian crossland
And obviously at night dark skin blends in and darkness and light skin reflects in moonlight.
tim pool
But that's not it.
ian crossland
Zuby just said nobody's black and white.
What's that?
james klug
It's not a skin color.
ian crossland
I think it comes from when they would fight at night and they couldn't see their opponents is a big part of it.
Why the racism?
unidentified
Never heard that.
james klug
I'm just trying to be real about shit.
How long ago are you talking about?
ian crossland
Before electricity, ancient, where they fight with knives and stuff in the woods, dark woods and stuff.
tim pool
But in the darkness you can't see anybody.
It's not like white people are glowing.
ian crossland
You might catch in the moonlight kind of like glimpses of shapes and stuff.
tim pool
What's happening is, you are making an interesting point.
However, I think that point would not be brought up if you read about it before saying it.
The issue is simple psychology.
It's not even about skin color.
There are people who would wear certain clothing.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Paint their faces black at night like Navy SEALs and stuff.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I'm saying in Europe, a thousand years ago, they would see somebody wearing a certain kind of clothing and go, it's an enemy!
It didn't matter what the race was, it was just an outsider.
Outsiders were dangerous.
So racism is born of the same thing as if you're different from me, it's the easiest thing someone could notice right away to see that you are not from my city, you are not part of my group, and that was a threat.
If I don't know you, how am I supposed to know if it's safe to be around you?
And so you get racism.
We're learning a lot about why we- that's stupid, because people are people.
We have communications now.
We have cell technology.
Proximity is what ends bigotry, as it were.
Anyway, I digress.
I just want to go back to that money stuff real quick.
Someone pointed out, who cares about Bitcoin at a million?
What about Doge?
shane cashman
Yo, what about Doge?
tim pool
I would love it if Doge got up to a hundred bucks.
shane cashman
I had Doge.
tim pool
Somebody mentioned and I looked and I'm like, I have quite a bit of Doge.
james klug
And then it went to like 70 cents or something.
unidentified
about crypto but I did get doge just somebody somebody mentioned and I looked
and I'm like I have quite a bit of doge does your sense and then it went to all like 70 cents or
shane cashman
something that's probably when I sold when Elon was on uh SNL and it yeah
unidentified
what did it hit I'm trying to I thought it was 63 cents.
james klug
Did one of you guys just say this and I just wasn't listening.
It did just hit like a peak, right?
ian crossland
No, Doge hit about 7 cents.
shane cashman
Doge had a renaissance a few years ago.
I made more off Doge than I did as a professor at a college.
tim pool
Oh, really?
shane cashman
That's awesome.
Yeah, it was great.
Doge was dope.
But it dropped.
tim pool
The crazy thing is it was at like A tenth of a cent.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
Even less.
tim pool
In 2020.
shane cashman
Yeah, right.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Could you imagine?
ian crossland
Two hundredths of a cent.
tim pool
They're dogecoin millionaires.
It was at, yeah, four tenths of a cent.
In 2020, it was at one tenth of a cent.
ian crossland
So imagine if you bought 10,000.
Dude, in 2017 when it was two hundredths of a cent, I was like, this trash, get this trash coin crap off my index.
I'm tired of looking at this junk.
I'm tired of these coins that go under and they're useless.
What year was that?
tim pool
2017?
ian crossland
2017, a lot of investment.
tim pool
Dogecoin is probably going to be like something legitimate.
ian crossland
It was pure junk trash and then Elon was like, joked about it and now it's real crypto.
tim pool
But the reason why is, I think Elon pointed this out, Dogecoin is an inflationary coin that's meant to slowly increase the supply of Doge available intentionally because demand will go up.
Whereas Bitcoin is deflationary.
At a certain point there will be no more Bitcoin and it will slowly cease to exist.
Dogecoin can never fall out of circulation based on how it functions.
So some people have speculated that Doge is cash and Bitcoin is gold.
Gold isn't... I mean, I'm sure at some point we'll figure out how to... I'm sure we can manufacture gold somehow with some kind of like... Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
We can fuse platinum with hydrogen.
I think that's how it's happening in the sun.
tim pool
There you go.
And eventually we'll get there.
shane cashman
The problem with Doge was when it was up to whatever it was, 60 or 70 cents, those apps, those trading apps were shutting down, so people couldn't sell.
I am not giving anybody advice.
I don't know what you should do.
do this or whatever.
Wait, this is my money.
james klug
Do you buy like Ethereum to get Doge?
Is that what it is?
shane cashman
No.
tim pool
You can buy Doge in cash.
james klug
It's separate.
Is it separate?
ian crossland
I don't know.
shane cashman
Different cryptos.
I think Ethereum was looked at as more of like a established crypto.
tim pool
I am not giving anybody advice.
I don't know what you should do.
I'm just saying I have Doge because I bought it a long time ago.
Actually I bought it when it was only a few cents.
I think I bought it at a nickel.
james klug
What was the high?
Was it 2020 or 2021 that it was reaching its peak?
ian crossland
Probably 2021.
shane cashman
Yeah, it was like March 21.
It was when the whole Wall Street thing was happening.
unidentified
Okay, there were a lot of people making a lot of money.
shane cashman
Oh, heck yeah.
Elon bought a ton for his kid.
ian crossland
And it went from 63 cents to 30 cents, which is within like five, within a month.
So within two days, it dropped.
20 cents.
I mean, it dropped 15 cents.
So it peaked and then everybody sold.
tim pool
It's all confidence.
Some people are pointing out with this Bellagio thing that when he says, you buy one Bitcoin and I'll send a million dollars.
If people are like, OK, let's say the guy holds 100 Bitcoin.
He only needs Bitcoin to go up a couple percentage points to cover the cost of the bet.
If Bitcoin goes up 10%, he's going to make way more money than it costs by doing the stunt.
So it's like, you know, who knows?
Who knows?
ian crossland
I think Doge is on the Binance smart chain.
It's different than the Ethereum smart chain.
So you use different tokens to buy it.
But there are places like Coinbase that'll do that for you where you can buy it with cash.
See, the thing I don't like about the way Doge is built is the infinite supply that Tim was talking about earlier, because it just allows for infinite inflation and devaluation of the currency, whereas you can always take a Dogecoin and then sell one-tenth of it, or one-hundredth of it, or one-thousandth of it, so you don't need an infinite supply.
You can always break it apart infinitely, or at least so many times that you have a huge, hundreds of trillions of amounts of pieces of token to sell, and then you just create a new token when you're ready, when you run out.
Then a new Bitcoin Plus that has another 17 million coins.
And you know ahead of time where you're going to be at, so it never gets out of control.
Because the dudes can just print another 100 trillion Dogecoins and make them all worth half.
tim pool
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And I think we'll be able to do that today.
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So what we've built is a way to submit, like, hey, I want to ask this.
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We'll try.
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We just grab a random person and be like, what up?
Ask something, you know what I mean?
But you'll also get access to the Uncensored Members Only Show, which will be live at about 10.10.
So definitely check that out.
And now I'm going to try and scroll back up.
james klug
That's such a good idea with the calls.
I think that's a great idea that you guys came up with.
That was a great idea.
Yeah, that's a great idea.
I love that.
That's awesome.
tim pool
So I'm going to start by reading a regular chat from El Acapulco.
He says, Siren Emoji, Siren Emoji, Siren Emoji, Siren Emoji.
Physical gold and silver are the only real store of value and the only escape from the system.
Only if the system exists.
Because if there is no system, who's gonna buy your gold or silver?
What will you do with it?
So, I often explain it to people very simply, and I've explained it to many of you who listen.
If the apocalypse happens, let's say like a fungus takes over people's brains, and then you're walking down the street, And you see a guy with a sandwich, and a guy with some water, and you have a bunch of gold coins.
Do you think either of them are going to do trade with you?
Or a better way to put it is, there's a guy with a jug of water, and you walk up and say, I'm so thirsty, please can I have some water?
He says, no, what do you have to trade?
You say, I have gold.
He's gonna go, and what do I do with gold?
And then another guy's gonna walk up and go, I have elk.
And he's gonna say, I will give you some water if you give me some elk.
And then they will trade, eat, and be merry, and you will be holding heavy metal that is draining your energy and causing you to require more food because it's so damn dense.
ian crossland
And making you move slowly and become a target.
It's not a valuable commodity.
It's valuable to the point where they would take it from you and keep it for later to sell it.
tim pool
Only if the system exists.
ian crossland
At an organized place.
You're not going to sell it on the street.
tim pool
If there is no civilization, your gold and silver are worth nothing.
ian crossland
Nothing, it's for like superconductors.
You would use it for like making rings and things out of their values to touching certain metals Like they have antibiotic properties silver does any any sort of recovery with a civilization though?
james klug
They would be looking for some form of currency and that's where it would actually help for sure I mean unless unless they go somewhere else and there's value in something else, but when it comes to like all-out destruction no civilization at all and Yeah, probably not going to bring it.
You'd rather have a rifle with you.
But any sort of recovery process or on the decline, I would imagine gold and silver would actually be quite useful.
shane cashman
It's funny because the second chapter of the book is the scene where the Confederates are burning down their own capital and scrambling because they have their money.
All they have left is their cabinet and their money.
And the city's on fire, so they think they're going to use the money elsewhere.
tim pool
They burned their own city down, though?
shane cashman
They burned their own city down because they didn't want the Union to get it.
tim pool
I thought that was contested.
shane cashman
No, I'm pretty sure if you read a lot of the diaries from people back then, like even from William Howard Parker, who was a guy who burnt down his own ship, a confederate.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
shane cashman
And then went and helped take the gold to Georgia.
tim pool
Yo, what was that ironclad they had?
What was that called?
unidentified
The the Confederate ironclad the first one basically the USS indomitable I believe was that what it was I think that was the Union and there was another one from the Confederates I don't know what it was But that was the first like armed ship battle in history because they both made ironclad the roughly the same Oh, yeah No, this one this what I think was called a Patrick Henry and they stole it from the Union and then they burnt it down It was at old the Virginia and there was another one.
tim pool
I watched this documentary about it.
shane cashman
It was it was epic and Yeah, but it was funny seeing think not so funny but thinking that their civilization is collapsing their literal capital has been burnt down, right?
Like where do we do with this money?
they didn't have any they kind of aimlessly traveled south with the money the gold and the Mexican dollars and They're like jewels, you know, and they buried it.
Well a lot of it disappeared people I think people pilfered it along the way desperate soldiers.
They see their death of their country the Confederacy and they Put in their pockets and bounce All right, we're going to read your super chats, so we'll jump to it.
tim pool
We've got this one from Adrienne Curry.
She says, look at me.
I'm important.
Well, well, all right.
OK, good work.
Thank you, Adrienne.
shane cashman
Good work.
james klug
All right.
tim pool
Emma Sang says, imagine if the Democrats just ignored Trump.
Not easy, sure, but wouldn't that send a stronger message?
Probably not as profitable, though.
You are correct.
This is the issue.
The media is obsessed with him because he gets them clicks.
Because the cult is obsessed with him.
But the most powerful move they could do, if they wanted to win, is just say nothing about him and never talk about him.
james klug
Yeah, they can't help themselves with that.
I mean, that's why, you know, we were talking about this benefiting Trump.
Largely.
There's many ways that it benefits Trump.
And even if that's the consequence, they don't care.
They want to see him behind bars, and that's all that matters.
tim pool
We have this super chat from Beef, who says that they have severe stomach pain, and they also have IBS.
I'm sorry to hear it, Beef.
I hope you get better.
james klug
Yeah, feel better.
tim pool
Consult your doctor about what's right for you to treat your IBS.
Coldilocks Production says, if they arrest Trump, I have a feeling lines between parties will be solidified and things will collapse much faster.
This is how you break the country apart.
Agreed?
Yeah, seriously.
And you gotta consider that too.
We're looking at the price of Bitcoin in that whole conversation based on traditional market factors.
And we need to consider the second and large, large, the second and third largest bank failures happened back to back within two days, and they're gonna arrest for the first time, they're threatening to, a former president.
Those are things that can destabilize a system.
And when Bellagio's like, Bitcoin's gonna go up, here's the bank stuff.
I'm also like, you know what else causes hyperinflation?
Political uncertainty.
So if a president, if the frontrunner for the presidential election in 24 gets arrested, And then there's an attempt at an indictment, and everyone's like, I don't know what's going to happen.
People are going to probably flee the dollar because the U.S.
government is what backs the dollar.
And if there's no U.S.
government, then who's backing what?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's that Biden veto concerns me, because Congress was trying to be like, hey, stop investing the U.S.
dollar in woke crap that's not returning an investment.
Put it in profitable stuff.
And Biden's like, nope.
james klug
You're talking about the veto.
tim pool
He said, no, I don't think I will.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
No, I don't.
tim pool
No, I don't think I will.
ian crossland
Oh, God.
That's, I mean, loss of confidence in leadership and the ability of the dollar if he's really going to put it into, like, stopping oil from burning.
My God.
tim pool
That one gamer says a good candidate for the Culture War podcast would be Michael Jones of Inspiring Philosophy.
Best Christian channel on YouTube, hands down.
Could be a good debate with him and Ian.
That'd be cool.
Yeah, we should do a religion culture war podcast.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so the culture war podcast, Fridays, 1pm at youtube.com slash timcast is... We just started, I think we've done what, four?
Four episodes.
Wow, look at that.
james klug
I gotta check that out.
I haven't watched it yet, but I saw that you guys did that.
It's awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, it's less news-driven and more culture conversations.
And so we're probably gonna have musicians, I think we actually do have a couple of musicians ready to come on.
Well, we did.
We had Pete Parata already.
And that's just talking about issues.
We're not going to be looking at articles like we do on this show or anything like that.
ian crossland
We were talking about the Antichrist the other night.
Oh, man.
The second coming of Christ.
tim pool
And people believe Donald Trump is the Antichrist?
ian crossland
I think it's like an energy.
Many people will embody the Antichrist.
Many people will embody the Christ.
And it'll kind of be like, within us, the battle will be like, what am I?
Am I the Antichrist?
Truly look at yourself and your behavior and kind of got to decide that for yourself.
unidentified
Hmm.
Yep.
james klug
That's deep.
That's a heavy conversation.
You're saying people think Trump is the Antichrist?
shane cashman
They did the same thing for Obama.
james klug
I haven't seen anyone talking about that.
shane cashman
People were saying Obama was.
tim pool
Oh, yeah!
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
You gotta pay attention to more liberals, man!
shane cashman
I, I, um... Liberals who also believe in Christ, I guess.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
shane cashman
Or are they just, like, using the word Antichrist?
tim pool
What you gotta understand is that liberals will come out and be like, why are you doing the X?
The Bible says you must do this.
And then you're like, you're not even a Christian.
What are you saying?
And they're like, that doesn't matter.
james klug
So when they come out and they're like- It's no good faith argument ever, right there.
ian crossland
Sure.
tim pool
When they come out and they're like, Donald Trump is the Antichrist.
Look, look at the prophecy.
You're like, you don't even believe that stuff.
But it doesn't matter.
As long as it benefits their agenda, they will claim to believe whatever they have to believe.
james klug
Yeah.
They get the political points.
They'll jump to that argument.
tim pool
I love the religious arguments they make where it's like, Dude, you're not even religious.
How is that an argument you're making to somebody else when they know you don't believe it anyway?
james klug
I love the free speech arguments when they're like, this is unconstitutional.
They'll try to grandstand and be this constitutional authority within an argument or something like that.
It's like, dude, you guys, the president, like we mentioned previously, the president launched a, what's it called?
Misinformation governance board.
A ministry of truth.
And it's like, I don't know why you're lecturing me about the First Amendment here.
What?
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
James Eaton says, let's say he is arrested.
How would that work?
Does a Secret Service go to jail with him?
What about his food?
How can he be protected in public jail?
Yep.
Could you imagine if Trump... I think there's a strong possibility Trump will surrender.
Trump wants that photo of being arrested the same as the left wants it.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Here's the problem.
When the left gets the victory, they're done.
When the right sees the prosecution, they're enraged.
That's why it's a stupid move.
And these people are like, if the right really thought arresting Trump would help them, they'd be cheering for it.
If the left is motivated by stopping Trump and they see a perp walk, how many liberals are gonna be like, we did it guys, pack it in, time to go home, Trump's been arrested.
How many Trump supporters are gonna say, to the streets, rah!
So certainly, if Trump gets indicted, I imagine he'll be on the first plane and be like, oh, woe is me.
Put his hands behind his back and be like, whatever you say, Mr. Officer.
unidentified
Yep.
But you need to protest something.
ian crossland
I'm not going to do what crap that'll come out of his mouth.
tim pool
What if he does?
They bring him to holding, refuse to release him, and then New York State just says, we don't care, he's not getting out.
james klug
Well, they were saying, uh, they were actually bringing up no bail.
I mean, nobody's serious, but Democrats were, have been talking, I think like MSNBC, they were talking about it.
Maybe it was CNN.
And they were saying no, no bail because of his call to protest.
Because what he meant by protest wasn't protest.
It was violence.
tim pool
And a New York judge who's going to be a far leftist cult member is going to say, you have already incited insurrection.
You are likely to cause more violence.
Therefore, You are being remanded to the custody of New York State pending a trial to be set at a later date or something like that.
shane cashman
Meanwhile, I believe our vice president or people in her campaign were donating money to get bailout people during the riots who were literally burning down places.
james klug
She tweeted a link for a bail fund that was raising money for violent rioters.
shane cashman
I believe they found some bodies in those burnt down bodies three months later.
ian crossland
If Trump had pulled two dudes around the back of the house and shot them in the head, I'd be all about this indictment.
But he- it was some dumb finance thing.
tim pool
He banged some- some porn star at a party or something like that.
And they're like, lock him up!
And I'm like, huh?
james klug
Allegedly.
tim pool
Allegedly.
Yo, um, there was this tweet where someone was like, If he committed the crime, he should go to jail, and it is violation of the rule of law if they don't charge him.
And I was like, oh, well, he must be talking about Obama killing that 16-year-old American citizen.
Oh, no, he was talking about Trump bribing a porn star.
james klug
Right, it's not like this obvious thing.
It's this, oh, that's a stretch, and holy crap, you're going for a felony too?
This is insane.
And it's not just like, it's not like this is the first person that's looked at this.
Mueller checked it out.
Southern District of New York checked it out.
And now we have, you know, what's his face?
The DA.
You know, it's their third or fourth attempt to get something from this.
tim pool
We got Brendan McGrath.
Music says, shout out to Shane for his great interview on the Bret Easton Ellis podcast.
My two favorite podcasts getting together for a fascinating discussion.
shane cashman
Sweet.
Thank you so much for listening to that.
That was an honor to be with Bret, one of my favorite, favorite authors of all time.
tim pool
Yeah.
That's cool stuff.
Alright, Gwadlook says last week Friday selective service posters were placed all around the school I work at reminding boys assigned male at birth ages 18 to 25 to register for the draft because of rising tensions with Russia and China.
Scary.
What?
Can you send a picture of that?
Do you have a picture of that?
I would like to see that.
Assigned male at birth?
Yeah, good luck drafting anybody that way.
Assigned male.
Steve Smith said, why does nobody bring up the fact that Bill Clinton screwed his secretary in the White House?
No, she was an intern.
Yeah, not a secretary.
james klug
Bill Clinton ended up paying, what is it, $850,000 for something to kind of go away as well.
tim pool
He had a situation that was weird.
james klug
Yeah, he had a situation that was weird.
I forgot all the details.
tim pool
He had like four.
shane cashman
A lot of those presidents do.
tim pool
Yeah, Bill was, he was sleeping around.
shane cashman
Fast and loose.
james klug
Fast and loose.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
He'd been hanging around, you know.
All right.
Villainous Black Dragon Entertainment says, Tim, you were thinking of Bane letting the criminals out from Dark Knight.
Also, do you think dopamine addiction is connected to virtue signaling and why people feel pain when not woke enough?
shane cashman
Yes.
james klug
Absolutely.
tim pool
But I wasn't just thinking about Bane.
The Joker releasing criminals from Arkham, I thought that was an old comic book arc.
shane cashman
There's a graphic novel of that, I think.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think that's actually a really common happening in the DC Universe.
shane cashman
Yeah, it happens occasionally.
We'll let out Arkham, because it's a fun movie.
tim pool
Well, no, like the Joker breaks them all out.
He releases all the criminals to wreak havoc on the city.
shane cashman
Yep.
tim pool
All right.
Where are we at?
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Shane, dude, I really enjoyed your The State of Modern Man opinion piece.
It read like a poem.
The modern soy boy cult member is a weak AF bitch.
shane cashman
Thank you.
That's one of my favorite pieces.
tim pool
Is that what you wrote about?
shane cashman
No, I didn't say he's a bitch, but I did say his skull is a glory hole.
And it's a great article about how I feel a lot of people are these days in terms of being weak men and not defending things that I believe are true and right and worth defending.
unidentified
Yep.
shane cashman
And shout out to Chris Carr and the editors there for putting it up.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
Alright, let's get some more Super Chats.
tim pool
Okay, what is this?
The Great Treasure says Trump is going to Epstein himself.
Civil War.
Tim Drink.
shane cashman
No.
I think Trump's gonna write a rap record in jail.
A rap record?
Yeah, like Shine when he was in jail.
He'll call a producer and he'll be over the phone.
It's gonna be amazing.
james klug
Watch him just come out with new tattoos.
shane cashman
Yes.
Yeah.
ian crossland
A teardrop.
unidentified
So many rappers love him too.
shane cashman
I mean, I will say that his part, and he did get Wayne, he got Lil Wayne and Kodak Black.
So maybe there's like a sweet collab coming.
james klug
Culturally, that was actually a pretty epic move right there.
shane cashman
Those were great.
There was a lot of more important ones I would have preferred to see.
james klug
Totally agree.
shane cashman
But shout out to Lil Wayne.
tim pool
Dan Gingrich says, the Democrats are releasing criminals in order to sow chaos, blame their opposition, claim they have the solution to the problem they caused, and then push for more power.
unidentified
Agreed.
ian crossland
The intelligent ones, yeah.
All right.
tim pool
1776's Life says, speaking about gun rights tonight, mine have been violated by Governor Pritzker in Illinois.
I'm caught in a hard place.
My family owns a four-generation farm that I would love to keep working.
However, I know I will never get my rights back.
Is there a right move?
Man, I don't know.
james klug
I'm sorry to hear that.
ian crossland
Yeah, what happened?
james klug
Yeah, I'd be curious to know.
unidentified
Yeah.
james klug
Yeah, that's unfortunate.
tim pool
That's an interesting ticket.
One of the fears we have is that they're going to pull some 4 a.m.
shane cashman
ticket.
tim pool
Slane Oaks says Antifa, Soros, and Schwab proved they own our democracy.
What do you think will happen tomorrow?
New York City has already spent more money than they can find Trump.
One of the fears we have is that they're going to pull some 4 a.m. maneuver.
It's going to be way early hours of the morning when everyone's asleep.
That way a bunch of developments can happen before anybody knows.
And then you wake up to a bunch of news instead of watching it happen in real time.
Makes it harder for people to react.
james klug
Really quick to address them, like, owning our democracy.
We allow them to, by not controlling the media or any of these powerful institutions that completely allow it, if roles were reversed and there was these powerful, like, you know, Yeah.
Batman evil villain characters such as Soros and we dominated the media a
Politician wouldn't be able to accept a dollar from a guy like that
So that we really need to get involved in these institutions to start making an actual difference
So they can't just get away with this Well, the problem is people like Soros then by the media
tim pool
Yeah, so that they can control that narrative and make sure it doesn't happen. We have billionaires, too
james klug
We need to get to work.
I'm not a billionaire.
ian crossland
But it's not about the money.
tim pool
I complain about this all the time.
ian crossland
It used to buy you access money.
That's what it was for.
But it's really about the access itself.
Internet video.
You have the power to change the world now with media.
I was telling my mom yesterday, and she's like, how do you even plan to do any of this?
I was like, internet media.
The internet video has changed the entire Media, the entire surface of the game is gone.
james klug
There's multiple directions we can go in.
We as in like liberty-loving Americans can go in and I think one direction certainly is that route of going this, you know, video social media.
ian crossland
A kid, a 15-year-old can go become a multi-millionaire media mogul in like three years.
james klug
Yep.
ian crossland
By the time they're... it's amazing.
Just one guy owns everything.
james klug
And they have a serious cultural influence as well.
I mean, so it's amazing.
ian crossland
Yeah.
You can say, do this.
Ten thousand people do it like that is so powerful and it's massively dangerous.
shane cashman
That's terrifying.
ian crossland
That's why we got to keep each other humble.
But it's the true power of the nature of the cult, you know, of personality that it's been created.
tim pool
This is a very important one from Drift Motive who says, please hit like everyone.
That is a very good point.
You should hit the like button if you have not already.
james klug
That is absolutely correct.
tim pool
That's right.
Decide Thought says, idea for discord server, add channel, cultural endeavors so we can share our cultural endeavors with members.
Addendum, separate channel for meme culture to prevent overloading the channel with memes.
So we are starting slow.
I think there's only what, like three channels?
Three channels?
Because we have, like, a moderator, and we don't want to get the thing shut down before anyone has a chance to do anything substantive, so I think what we're planning on doing is creating a bunch of different rooms, you know, for different kinds of creative work, and then the Elite Club is where, ideally, if you want to sign up for that, that's where I'll be hanging out, maybe, I don't know, if Ian wants to, I think Phil said he'll even, like, play music and stuff, and other TimCast crew members will be in the Elite Club, and, you know.
The goal is just to create, like, look, it's a relatively cheap social club endeavor because it's not necessarily just about making money, though we do as a business need to make money to expand.
But, like, the big liberal social clubs, like in New York City for instance, they're about $4,000 per month.
It's crazy.
shane cashman
It's crazy.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
But hopefully we get this building set up, which is currently underway, and we're gonna have like a $100 a month West Virginia, you know, not to be disrespectful, but a lower income scale because we're not about the elite New York liberal.
shane cashman
Freedom loving though.
tim pool
You're right.
james klug
I think it's awesome.
ian crossland
A lot of those $4,000 a month would get you access to a building with materials, free food, free drinks.
They do.
So now we've got internet video, so it's cheaper to connect, but it also doesn't cost as much to join.
tim pool
I mean, those clubs are awesome.
Like, if you're rich and you can afford it, you show up.
It's really nice.
All the rich people are hanging out, talking to each other.
This is how they make money.
They're friends.
They network.
There's not that many of them.
They spend 50 grand a year to hang out at this club with free drinks, free food.
And then they sit at a bar and they know each other and they'll be like, oh yeah, you work in construction, right?
I got this idea.
Here's what I want to do.
I think I'll make a buck.
Oh, that's a good idea.
I'll connect you with this guy.
And they just, networking is so important.
So we got to create something like that.
You know, that's what we're trying to do.
But you gotta fund it.
So the idea is, our space in West Virginia is gonna have, like, on the third floor, food and drinks, but probably more like potato chips, dip, you know, sodas and beer, with some gaming tables, and it will be only 100 bucks per month, not 4,000.
But the money is to pay for someone who's going to be working there.
And honestly, we've talked about it.
james klug
$100 is a great price.
tim pool
But it's probably a loss if we did it that way.
But I'm like, well, we can't charge more than that because we're starting from the bottom.
We're not starting from the top.
So if we've got to have someone working there 24-7, and we've got to have food and drink stocked, $100 is probably too low to do it, but I'm willing to subsidize it.
james klug
It's a low price.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But we're starting with this Discord server room, and then maybe we can make something of it.
Yeah, I think we got a handful of people in there already, so I really do appreciate it.
ian crossland
People chilling in the elite chat room?
tim pool
Yeah, man, are you in the Discord?
We got it pulled up right here, actually.
So hopefully in the members-only portion of the show.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
Some people are mentioning they're having issues.
If you're having issue with the Discord, just email members at TimCast.com.
And for the people who are like, damn, 100 bucks, like I said, the actual liberal elite clubs are like $4,000 or $6,000 a month.
And Right now, it's just the Discord room, but we have the building!
It has three floors.
It exists!
It's in West Virginia.
Um, we have to do the construction.
ian crossland
What is this?
Oh, I was just looking at the chat.
Oh, you gave me this weird- IRL live?
No, I was thinking about the construction.
The place is still- it's raw.
I've only seen video of it at the moment.
tim pool
Yeah, and we're trying to figure out can we just open it anyway and then start off the Elite Club with a big empty building and let people turn it into what they think might work or something.
ian crossland
Yeah, you mentioned that a few weeks ago.
What was the status on that?
tim pool
Permits.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, and unless I'm directly involved and mercilessly beating the people who are doing it, nothing gets done.
ian crossland
Whips and chains?
tim pool
Well, whips are too far.
Maybe like a truncheon or something, you know?
Retractable baton.
But this is what happens, you know, I'll say, hey, can we have this happen?
They'll go, you got it, and then they stopped working on it.
And I'm just like, okay.
And people are complaining, like, hey, how come it's not getting done?
ian crossland
Whips were made to be cracked.
unidentified
That was brutal.
tim pool
All right.
ian crossland
I don't like saying it.
unidentified
I don't like hearing it.
ian crossland
I'm a chaos mage.
unidentified
Holy moly.
All right.
tim pool
What do we got?
Damian Master says, yo, if Florida doesn't turn over Trump, New York will be forced to Biden to send feds to get him.
Interesting.
Civil War?
But I don't know if DeSantis has the balls to actually defy something like that.
I mean, what are they going to do if Trump's like, I'm not going.
But I think Trump will surrender.
They said he would, and it's the greatest campaign opportunity for him.
They don't understand.
It takes the wind out of their sails, and it puts the wind in the sails of the Trump supporters.
shane cashman
Yep.
james klug
Big time.
ian crossland
Alright!
tim pool
Jazz says, Tim, fun fact, I'm a direct descendant of the Confederate President Jefferson Davis.
Wow!
I bet he has a lot of descendants though at this point, right?
shane cashman
Probably.
Yeah.
There's one thing I found out while writing this book, maybe other people know it who know the Civil War better than me, but he had an adopted black child.
His wife saw a child, a black child being beaten in the street and she adopted him.
unidentified
Oh wow.
shane cashman
And felt bad for him.
He was with them, supposedly, until the very end, until the Union actually captured Davis.
ian crossland
Did they let him go?
Did they pardon him and everything?
shane cashman
No, no.
Oh, Davis?
Yeah, he was let go.
Yeah, he was in jail for a little bit.
I think he started writing his book in there.
And then, I believe he was just let go.
They couldn't really get him.
tim pool
They pardoned him?
shane cashman
Was it a pardon?
I don't know what they were calling it then, but they were trying to get him for... I forget the words, but they didn't do it in the end.
tim pool
TheMeepKid says Robert E. Lee was against slavery but fought for the South.
In one of the battles, Ulysses S. Grant tried to recruit him.
ian crossland
Wow.
He's a fascinating guy, Robert E. Lee.
I had a friend growing up, my best friend growing up, loved him, and I was always like, but he fought for the South!
Isn't that evil?
And he'd be like, no, no, no, he fought for his homeland.
That's what made them so great.
tim pool
Well, that's a lot of it was.
It wasn't for a lot of people in the South.
It was you were fighting because the union was coming and telling you, you obey, you
know?
Right.
And so only I think 5% of the country actually owned slaves.
And it was like, you know, and it was bad.
And they were like wealthier people who wanted cheap labor.
unidentified
Yeah.
One of the things Grant said after the war too is that you don't want, we don't want
to treat these as the others.
They're our fellow countrymen again.
The country is united again We're not gonna hold them responsible or put them to trial or anything like that's one of the reasons I think that Davis was he wasn't generally pardoned by the by the president, but he wasn't taken up I like get him in trouble.
Basically.
tim pool
I am excited though.
I For when the West Coast tries to secede, Trump sends in the troops, and then California, Washington, and Oregon enter a period of reconstruction.
Because they desperately need it.
ian crossland
That high-speed rail that they've been talking about for so long.
tim pool
You know, you can call it that, but... Reconstruction.
But basically what it means is you're going to get rid of the corrupt government.
We're going to fix the corrupt governments.
shane cashman
Reconstruction was a failure in the South, too, though.
tim pool
Right, I'm joking.
shane cashman
But they do need it in a lot of the cities in this country.
tim pool
I'm saying those places need heavy reform.
But, you know, I look forward to Media Matters writing Tim Calls for violent occupation of West Coast states.
shane cashman
Oh yeah, shout out to those people.
Great articles written about all of us.
ian crossland
You got friends over there too?
shane cashman
Yeah, they love me.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
All right, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Dang it Ian, you ain't lying.
Saying ish will happen three plus years back in 2020 and now today.
The circle connects.
I'm rooting for not the fall, bud.
ian crossland
Interesting.
I did see the inflation.
tim pool
Are we on year three of IRL already?
ian crossland
March 2020 is when that inflation crap, when I came into the room and I was like, dude, Inflation's going to go nuts because they just printed a bunch of money.
There was that COVID package.
And then it was like eight months, 10 months, 15 months later, you start to see it.
james klug
Yeah.
ian crossland
We bought all that crypto.
We were both like, fuck, this shit is happening, and everything went up, up, up.
james klug
Yeah, what the Biden administration's doing right now, they're comparing, you know, they're saying like, oh, we've cut spending.
And they're just comparing their spending to the highest dollar amount in 2020.
It's like, dude, come on.
You're still like way above 2019.
Yep.
tim pool
OTM Marketing Podcast says if you click join discord in the embedded link at the bottom of the page, that link works.
Top link does not work.
Interesting.
All right, let's grab one more.
I think there may be typos there.
coordinating the purchase of stock on the institution, buying material positions in
the institution, stock and become activist.
I don't I think there may be typos there.
Cleaning house with the board.
Oh, I think he's saying buy stocks in these companies so that you can vote and then fix
these companies.
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james klug
That's awesome.
Sounds great.
tim pool
Yeah, because we were like, how do you ask a thousand people who wants to be the person to ask the question for the show or whatever?
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james klug
Yeah, yeah.
Subscribe to my YouTube channel, youtube.com slash James Kluge.
You can also catch me on Twitter, at real James Kluge.
You guys, thank you for having me.
tim pool
Absolutely.
shane cashman
Awesome.
I am at Shane Cashman on Twitter and Instagram.
I'm asking you to please go purchase this book.
I'm very... I've never been more proud of a book.
james klug
It's huge.
shane cashman
It's huge.
The paperback is available right now at ghostofthecivilwar.com and the e-book will be available at midnight.
Shout out to Jessica Boone for doing this amazing cover.
Shout out to Chris Carr for being the editor.
Shout out to Tim for sending me to Washington, Georgia, where my life was turned upside down every time I went there.
Oh, and shout out to Clint Brantley, who's the family who brought me down there in the first place.
But I love this book.
I'm very proud of it.
And I hope you guys enjoy it.
I'm happy to finally have it out.
How many pages is it?
unidentified
It's 473 pages.
Holy crap.
ian crossland
Tell me that URL again, where people buy that.
shane cashman
It is ghostofthecivilwar.com.
tim pool
Ghostofthecivilwar.com.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Ghost was bought up, so we were like, dang.
tim pool
Singular.
shane cashman
So we just, yeah.
But it's there.
The paperback is available right now.
E-book tonight.
tim pool
I've been saying this.
I feel like this is the kind of stuff, these stories are exactly up Joe Rogan's alley.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know.
shane cashman
It'd be great to talk to him.
I mean, this book, it just encompasses everything.
It's funny talking today about the Banks failing the money the country collapsing the
president's not being trusted violence It's it's like a reflection of you know, the Civil War and
we just keep going through this madness, you know Word, so it's a happy book
ian crossland
is what I'm trying to say.
unidentified
It's a white pill, but not oxycodone.
Thank you.
ian crossland
Thank you very much, Shane.
unidentified
You're welcome.
ian crossland
Good to see you, James.
And also, I wanted to make clarification.
Dogecoin is based off of Litecoin, and it actually apparently has its own blockchain.
I thought it was on the Binance blockchain.
It is when you go to MetaMask.
But there you go.
I'm Ian Crossland.
I'm really looking forward to talking to you guys in the Discord on the After Show.
Let's see how this technology goes.
unidentified
Yeah, and I am at sir.com.
Please argue with me on Twitter.
I had some music that dropped on Friday.
It wasn't on the show.
Kellen was doing the podcast.
If you want to check that out, it's on Cool Contest Records.
Please, if you like dance music, go for it.
tim pool
Oh, you know what else?
We have a song coming out on Friday.
I'm supposed to promote it.
ian crossland
Hell yeah.
unidentified
Promotion.
ian crossland
Bright eyes.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe I should say that.
unidentified
Yeah, please do.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's good.
It's the first one we recorded, but we held it until it's coming out for... No, it's the second one we recorded, because you did Will People first.
tim pool
Well, yeah.
ian crossland
That was a while ago.
That was without Carter, before Carter.
tim pool
This is the first one we did with Carter.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And we've been sitting on it for about a year.
So I love it.
I think the song's great.
I hope the audience likes it as much as I do.
I really enjoy it.
I like the harmonies.
There's three of us.
What is it?
tim pool
Me, you... Carter.
ian crossland
And Carter singing on it.
tim pool
And there's a clip I posted on my Instagram of just like a quick little snippet where you can pre-order.
But we'll get the links and everything set up for tomorrow so it's easier for me to tell you where to get it.
But otherwise I'll just be at youtube.com slash I think TimCastSongs I think the channel is now?
ian crossland
It's Trash House Records.
tim pool
We'll figure it out.
I don't know.
It's gonna be fun.
We filmed a music video.
Anyway, thanks for hanging out everybody.
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