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Feb. 23, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Trump Brings BIG MACS And Water To Ohio, SLAMS Biden For BETRAYING U.S. w/Mark Ousley
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tim pool
So Donald Trump shows up in East Palestine, Ohio, bringing food, water, and Big Macs.
I kid you not, he apparently came out and said, we're gonna get everybody some McDonald's, and I appreciate it, man.
I'm watching this video of Trump, he's getting a hero's welcome, he's getting a presidential welcome, and he's actually helping people.
Call it whatever you want, call it a photo op, call it opportunism, call it campaigning, don't know, don't care.
If I see the President of the United States, Leave this country to Ukraine with $500 million in cash for a foreign country and ignore the people of this country?
I'm gonna look to anybody who's helping it out, which is why I've repeatedly given a shout-out to Benny Johnson, who showed up and gave out $20,000.
He did more than Joe Biden did, and he's just some internet guy.
Donald Trump actually showed up?
Means a lot.
So we're gonna talk about that and a whole lot more.
Joe Biden once again fell up the stairs.
I'm not kidding.
Joe Biden literally fell up the stairs again.
Okay, we got a bunch of other stories, too, so we'll get into all this, but the big story right now, obviously, is East Palestine, Donald Trump, the presidency, politics, and all that stuff, so we're gonna get into all that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Mark Owsley.
mark ousley
Hello.
Hello.
Thanks for having me, man.
tim pool
Who are you, good sir?
mark ousley
Well, I am host of the Unwokeable podcast at UnwokeablePod on YouTube, Twitter, citizen journalist and probably the least famous person to be on TimCast IRL, but I appreciate being here.
tim pool
We've had like specialists, you know.
mark ousley
Yeah, so I've got a few followers, but I mainly do work with education and advocacy for kids and students in Oklahoma, red state.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, glad to have you.
It should be fun.
We've also got Phil Labonte hanging out.
phil labonte
I follow you, Mark.
Hi, what's up?
I am Phil from All That Remains on Twitter, and I'm here to give my opinion.
Here we go.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Ian Crossland.
Last night I said some harsh things about Donald Trump.
One of which, I should say, I don't like talking about people when they're not here.
I want to say anything I would say about someone, I will say to your face when I see you, Donald.
I said that I called you a liar.
phil labonte
I love you.
Never change.
Please never change.
ian crossland
I called you a liar.
I think that just because you told a lie in the past doesn't mean that you are a liar still.
It means that you lied.
So I'm not going to judge you or call you names or any of that.
I want to meet you.
Thank God what you're doing in East Palestine right now, brother.
And we can go from there.
We'll get deeper into that on the show if you guys wanna.
We got Serge Dupre on the buttons.
serge du preez
Yes.
Nice, Ian.
I like that.
That was cool.
I'm excited to say that me and Phil will be on Pop Culture Crisis tomorrow.
Yes, we will.
Check that out.
Ready to start the show when you are.
tim pool
All right, we got this story from TimGaz.com.
Trump receives presidential welcome from East Palestine officials, renders relief amid Biden's absence from region.
Trump, this is really America right here.
We are standing in America.
And boy, is he correct.
Former President Donald Trump has traveled to East Palestine to survey the damage and recovery efforts following the 38-car derailment of a Norfolk Southern train carrying hazardous materials.
Officials from East Palestine welcome the former president, with the chief of the East Palestine Fire Department offering him a briefing one might expect President Joe Biden to receive, were he not otherwise occupied in foreign territories.
Who wrote this one?
Brett McDonald.
I love the, just like, it's kind of a jab without being a jab.
It's just a factual statement.
Check out how the Daily Wire wrote it up.
I love this one.
From Daily Mail.
I know this menu better than all of you.
Trump orders Big Macs.
For East Palestine first responders and himself after delivering 13 pallets of food and Trump water to families betrayed by Biden after toxic train disaster.
phil labonte
Betrayed by Biden.
tim pool
I'm sorry, man.
Where's the picture of the... This is great.
Trump's standard McDonald's order.
Two Big Macs, two filet-o-fish, and a chocolate shake.
That is horrible.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
The filet-o-fish is, like, delicious, by the way, but that's a lot of food for one person to eat.
Where's the picture of the Trump water?
They got Trump water on it.
Look at this.
Trump water.
I love it.
phil labonte
Of course.
tim pool
This is what I absolutely love about Trump.
He will come down, and he will help all of these desperate people, and he will slap his name on the water bottle.
Well, to be fair, this is what really annoyed me during the Trump administration, among many other things.
They would mock Trump over Trump Water, Trump Magazine, and Trump Steak, and what they wouldn't tell you is that these were brand products for his golf resorts.
So when you go to Walmart, and they've got the Walmart brand, it's great value or whatever, when you go to a grocery store and they have their name, that's all it is.
They were acting like Trump was selling Trump water in grocery stores.
So I went to Trump Doral once.
And all the liberals were like, Trump water went out of business and Trump Magazine is gone.
I walk in the hotel room and I look down at the table and there's Trump Magazine and a bottle of Trump water.
And I'm like, what are these people talking about?
These are companies that Donald Trump owns that provide these materials to his resorts.
So Trump has a bunch of these water bottles, probably from a bunch of different resort properties.
And he said, grab what we got, ship it out.
phil labonte
Everybody knows that you go into a hotel and there's bottles of water.
tim pool
And it'll have the hotel's brand name on it, typically.
Not always, depending on the tier, the star rating or whatever.
But Trump has pallets of water at these hotels and just said, load up on my truck, we'll pay for shipping, and then we can give these to people who need them.
Win, win, win, win for everybody.
phil labonte
Yep.
mark ousley
Well, anything they can do to make him look bad, that's what they're going to do.
And they'll stretch the truth or just outright lie about it.
But one thing I did like about this was that this is the first sign that I've seen of 2015-2016 Trump.
In a long time, because he's been really out of the loop.
He was kicked off Twitter, kicked off Facebook.
That's not his fault.
But that left him unconnected from what made him president.
And so this is the first signs of life I've seen going back to that kind of old school, what made him president in 2015.
ian crossland
I don't see anything negative about what he just did.
This is amazing.
Has there been negative?
Has there been lash?
tim pool
I'm not seeing any.
What can the corporate press say about Trump right now to bring him down?
They better just keep their mouths shut.
Yeah, but here's the thing.
If they come out, and I'm sure they could come up with something to attack Trump over, but all that would serve to do is highlight that Trump is there and Biden is not.
Where's Buttigieg?
Did he show up?
Yeah.
You know what?
I don't care if it's a photo-op.
I literally don't care.
He brought water with him, by all means.
If a photo-op means people in need get the help they need, then that's better leadership than what Biden is offering.
ian crossland
I certainly wouldn't call it a photo-op.
It'd be a photo-op if he was there looking around and they took pictures, but he's giving people life sustenance.
mark ousley
Right, well he's also giving them air.
You know, he's giving them air time that they normally wouldn't get.
And that's been the problem right now.
We were all talking about Chinese balloons while this was happening, and I'm sure that's a serious thing, but it seemed to overshadow this giant Let's say it's a photo op.
tim pool
Biden couldn't give a damn to take a picture?
Biden couldn't show up for 10 minutes, get a picture, and leave?
He could not even do that.
Ukraine's very important, you know?
How many people in the United States can point to Ukraine on a map?
How many people in the United States can tell you, can name three cities in Ukraine, or any, what do they say, oblast?
Is that the territories they use?
I don't know.
States.
Most people don't even know what it is or where it is.
And many of these people are flying the flag.
But I tell you this, ask somebody where Ohio is, to be honest, a lot of people might not know where Ohio is, but most Americans probably do, and they know it is America.
And my question is just, why are my tax dollars going to Ukraine and not to East Palestine?
phil labonte
This is all good for Trump.
There's no downside to this.
And everything that President Biden is doing right now is at best only popular with the Democrats and with his base.
You can't criticize Trump for any of the stuff he's doing.
It's all, like you said, 2016 Trump.
It's all good Trump.
It's all exactly what he needs.
Even the remarks he's making and that, you know, he's being that funny kind of same dude that people that like Trump really, really like.
mark ousley
The everyman Trump, you know, even though he's a billionaire, right?
That he can connect with people that aren't billionaires.
And that's, you know, he grew up in New York and that's part of that culture.
And so I think that's what's been missing from his campaign and from his persona since he's really been cut off from the American people in the way that made him popular in the first place.
tim pool
You know, my favorite story was the well done steak with ketchup.
And how the corporate press attacked him for it.
Those that are long-standing fans of the show have heard me mention this story probably a dozen times, but Trump was ragged on by CNN because he ordered a, it was like a 30-day dry-aged steak well done with ketchup.
And I'm just like, a lot of lower and working class people who get steaks from the grocery store that are not high quality will cook it through and splash ketchup on it because they can't afford a 30-day dry-aged filet mignon or, you know, whatever.
Donald Trump was basically signaling to regular working people he ate the way they ate, and they mocked him for it.
And when they went on TV and said, Donald Trump, what an idiot for doing this, the people sitting at home were cutting into their well-done steak with ketchup going, You're making fun of me.
I'm literally doing this right now.
Trump knew how to play them.
This is what we need to see more of.
But I want to show you this too.
This one matters.
This story right here.
From WTAE ABC.
Giant eagle pulls water bottled near East Palestine from store shelves.
Now why is that?
Why would a grocery store remove water bottles from a spring that was near East Palestine from their store shelves?
Why would they stop selling water that was near this toxic waste dump if the water is safe to drink?
The water's fine, that's what they said, and the air is fine, but this store won't sell you the water?
You know what, I'll tell you this.
If the government comes out and tells you the water's safe, and then you drink it and you get sick, why would they care?
If you sue them, they're giving you your money back to you.
It's your tax dollars.
Oh, no, we got sued.
Here's your money back.
Here's the money we took from you back.
Now, if Giant Eagle gets sued, uh-oh, that's their profits.
That's coming out of their shareholders' pockets.
So what I see is when the private sector says, get the water off the shelves, they're seeing something wrong.
When the government says, everything's fine, go ahead and drink the water, they're probably lying.
ian crossland
Who was it that did the video where they drag?
tim pool
J.D.
Vance.
unidentified
J.D.
ian crossland
Vance drag a stick across the bottom of a river and you see all the oils and chemicals come up to the surface and these colored rainbow.
OK, that's still that's still in the muck.
mark ousley
Well, and what does this mean?
When you talk about water, you're talking about food, too.
The farmland and everything that's out all around there, but just the food, the crops that are going to grow around this place that would go out to probably grocery stores all over the country and definitely in Ohio.
What does it mean for the food supply?
ian crossland
Fortunately, I don't think it's going to be that bad relative to what nuclear holocaust or like Chernobyl because what I'm reading about the chemicals is that they have a very short half-life like what was the main one vinyl chloride has like a 2.3 day half-life so after a week you've got about 15 15% of this, 25% of the chemicals.
No, after a week, you've got like 12.5% of it left in the air.
And then after a few more days, you've got like 6% of it left.
So we've already seen 98% of the vinyl chloride disperse out of the air.
It's really their concern is the benzenes.
If there were a lot of benzenes in the fires, they said there were not.
The official report is that it was benzene residue.
I don't know if you should necessarily believe the official report, but when benzene burns, it creates dioxins, which are persistent, and those can stay in the air and in the soil for a long time, as far as I've read.
tim pool
Ryan Ellis super chatted, saying Politico's already attacking him.
And so Politico has this semi-roundabout attack on Trump.
It says Trump's visit to Ohio derailment gives Biden's team some breathing room.
His planned appearance near the scene of this toxic derailment has Democrats pointing to his past efforts to roll back train and chemical regulations.
And there it is.
The corporate press will find a way to make it a negative thing for Trump.
Man.
Just get some people some burgers, man.
mark ousley
I think it's more indicative of the fact that we spent a year and a half calling everything but infrastructure, infrastructure.
Right?
I mean, if there was a problem with the rail yard, and we're doing this giant infrastructure bill, and you've got Democrats coming out and calling, you know, Underwater basket weaving classes infrastructure right that you you saw a lot of that So you had a lot of this this pork that that passed the 1.2 trillion dollars worth of money Going towards things that had nothing to do with infrastructure and and this is what comes of that So they're gonna try to spin it back on him, but weren't we supposed to be fixing the railways weren't we supposed to be doing that I?
tim pool
Do you think that if Biden or Buttigieg showed up, they'd boo him out?
mark ousley
Yes.
tim pool
Like, just yell at him?
ian crossland
At this point?
I don't know.
It depends on what they show.
If they showed up with huge pallets and pallets of water and food, probably not.
phil labonte
You wouldn't see Buttigieg or Biden do that.
ian crossland
Why was Biden not gone?
mark ousley
Is it a health risk?
72% of this district voted for Trump.
tim pool
I just want to point out Ian's persistent, with all due respect, naivety.
In terms of who these people really are.
And, you know, often on the show, you'll talk about pardoning people or giving them the benefit of the doubt.
And it's like, yo, man, when people tell you who they are, believe them.
When Joe Biden sneaks off to Ukraine with $500 million and ignores this disaster in its entirety, and then outright, he doesn't even address it, his people are like, you're not coming there.
Buttigieg doesn't even show up.
He's telling you outright he does not care about regular working class Americans.
Period.
ian crossland
What I wonder is who's deciding?
I think of Biden on a leash when I think about Biden.
I don't think he's making the decisions about whether or not he goes to East Palestine.
I feel like someone's like, no, it's too risky for your condition, Joe.
You can't breathe that air and you're 84 years old.
tim pool
But they're telling us that the air is safe?
Yeah, they're bad people, they're evil people.
mark ousley
I'd like to know when this trip was planned.
Was it just a last minute thing?
tim pool
For Trump?
mark ousley
No, for Biden.
You would think that it would have to be planned in a while, but if it wasn't, that could be an indication that maybe this was an effort to get eyes away.
You know what I'm saying?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Oh, I see.
ian crossland
I had the feeling that it had been on track for a while, no one knew about it, but they were like, just gonna do it on this day anyway, and then the East Palestine thing was inconvenient to talk about because it was in the way.
But you make a good point.
Maybe they were just like, we need to divert eyes to something now.
mark ousley
We need another Chinese balloon, right?
Did he take Hunter with him?
Over there to Ukraine?
I don't think he did.
tim pool
The more distraction he can generate from this.
Exactly.
$500 million, man.
The people who live near this train derailment, that train company probably should compensate them for the fair market value of their properties before the damage.
mark ousley
Absolutely.
tim pool
And they can keep the property.
But ain't nobody buying those houses now.
mark ousley
Right.
tim pool
So what do we get?
Donald Trump, he shows up.
There's a lot of things.
He could be playing golf right now.
But this is where I think he's getting back into the swing of things.
And I gotta be honest, you know, there's a lot of things Trump do that I chuckle at, roll my eyes at.
But when I saw this video of him coming down there, I got a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
I'm like, at least someone's doing something.
I don't care if Trump doesn't care.
Maybe he's just like, here's a great opportunity to get attention.
And I'm like, wow, he thinks that helping the American people will make people like him.
Joe Biden just left.
He didn't even care that much.
phil labonte
Just like you said, even if it is just a photo op, he's still actually putting food in people's bellies and giving people water.
tim pool
But right, but what I'm saying as well is Trump, if it is a photo op, he's thinking to himself, this will make people like me.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay, good!
He wants people to like him.
He has a concern about whether or not the American people like him.
Joe Biden doesn't.
He's just gone.
mark ousley
Biden doesn't seem to care about what anybody thinks as long as he's keeping his far left flank happy.
And maybe he doesn't even care about that.
tim pool
We're going to make fun of Joe Biden because we have this story from the New York Post.
It's big news, breaking news from 11.57am.
Biden stumbles up.
Air Force One stares, again, leaving Poland.
You know, that's karma.
Someone, I think Carpe Donctum made a meme where Trump throws his hat in East Palestine and then it boomerangs around and hits Biden and he falls up the stairs.
This is what we get, ladies and gentlemen.
Your president not only abandoning the American people, visiting foreign countries and then falling up the stairs.
That's your president.
phil labonte
To be fair, that's a lot of stares for a dude that's almost 80.
ian crossland
Yeah, when are they going to build an escalator?
mark ousley
An escalator?
What I want to know is, where is SNL on this?
I mean, when Gerald Ford fell down the stairs in the 70s when he was president, that's what made Chevy Chase famous, was making fun of Gerald Ford when he fell down the stairs.
And it's like, this has happened twice now, and you see nothing from places like SNL or any of the comedians making fun of it.
tim pool
It's a cult.
mark ousley
It doesn't make any sense to me.
phil labonte
I see it.
tim pool
You can't make fun of it.
ian crossland
You got Babylon B?
The Babylon Bee is tearing it up.
They have one of their new articles, Biden promises to get rid of these resort fees.
Wait, I'm sorry.
Biden promises to get rid of those resort fees by the time World War Three starts.
Have you seen him tweeting about getting rid of resort fees over the last three weeks?
These $90 secret fees are ruining America.
Under my watch, we'll make sure.
And it's like, are these really your priorities, dude?
He's tweeted about it like three times in the last two weeks.
phil labonte
It's really annoying.
He has mentioned a couple of things that are very silly, like very frivolous.
tim pool
This isn't comedy, this is true!
Resort fees suck, I get it, but juxtapose with the Ukrainian stuff in East Palestine, it's like, what is he... The Babylon Bee wrote this headline, Biden promises to get rid of those resort fees by the time World War III starts, but that's literally what he's saying.
So he didn't literally say, I will get rid of these fees before the start of World War
III, but World War III is on the—we're on the cusp of a major
conflict.
He's like, don't worry, we're going to get those resort fees down.
It's like, what?
mark ousley
Completely tone deaf.
tim pool
People's whole city is blanketed in this chemical that killed their livestock
and is like floating in their water.
And then you're like, Mr. President, will you help the poor people of East Palestine?
I will by cutting those resort fees.
So when they're evacuating their hometown, it'll be a little cheaper out of their pocket.
ian crossland
Maybe they're not making fun of him falling up the steps because he's old and it's like elder abuse.
Yeah, whereas like Gerald Ford was still, how old was Ford?
Was he like in his early 60s or something?
mark ousley
No, he was, I mean, I think he was in his 50s or something.
ian crossland
So he was younger and he was more of just a guy falling down.
mark ousley
Right.
Which is a little bit funny.
But again, it is, I guess, a little funny, but when you do it twice, man, I mean, when you do the same thing twice.
SNL should be all over that.
And I think Tim is right.
It is a cult and it just says we cannot make fun of the holy one.
We cannot make fun of the person that's carrying our water for us.
And it's really sad.
It's really sad.
tim pool
This is what the president is tweeting about right now.
Hidden junk fees are taking money out of the pockets of average Americans.
Thanks to our efforts, most of the country's largest banks are getting rid of fees for bounced checks.
We're going to lower overdraft fees next.
Well, that's really great.
I mean, cool.
Do you have anything to add about the people whose entire city is blanketed in toxic chemicals and whose livestock are dying?
I would be interested to hear what you had to say about that one.
phil labonte
I'm curious.
tim pool
Oh, I'm sorry.
Before that, he says, our support for Ukraine will not waver.
NATO will not be divided.
We will not tire.
Oh, NATO.
He's not talking about us.
unidentified
He's in Bucharest.
tim pool
Bucharest nine leaders have provided critical security assistance.
Did he say anything?
NATO, NATO, NATO.
NATO.
Earlier I was briefed on a winter storm.
Okay.
Is he just not saying anything?
Ukrainian refugees, democracies around the world.
Uh-huh.
Christians in Ash Wednesday.
Okay, well that one's okay.
You know, all right, I can respect that one.
He's talking about Americans at least.
Yo, it's like, to him, none of this even happened.
ian crossland
Did he even mention it once?
He has to have mentioned it.
mark ousley
I thought he tweeted about it once, but while he was on his way to Ukraine, right?
ian crossland
Wow.
mark ousley
I mean, that's a slap in the face.
tim pool
You know, you got a toxic chemical spill.
It's a problem.
Well, I'll be over in Ukraine giving $500 million from your taxes to a country you can't point to on a map.
ian crossland
Anna de Armas, somebody, there was an actor saying that the age of social media has basically killed the movie star.
It's basically, there are no more movie stars now.
It's a lot, I think, a lot less about the art that you make and more about who you are as a person because it's a lot more prevalent and obvious now.
And it's the same thing with the president.
They don't hide behind this visage of the title.
Now you get to see this guy in his daily behavior and it's insane.
Look, look, look.
tim pool
Sorry, man.
Just look at this picture.
ian crossland
This is worse.
This is like 1970s crap.
tim pool
This tweet from Joe Biden is worse than nothing.
He said, after my speech today, I spoke with EPA Michael Reagan, Sherrod Brown, Bill Johnson, Shapiro, DeWine about our ongoing efforts in East Palestine, Ohio.
I reaffirmed my commitment to making sure they have everything they need.
Let me give you the latest.
And there is a picture of him sitting on the phone in, I don't know where he is, but it's just like, Bro, just do nothing and say nothing, because at the very least then we can try to imagine what might you have been doing, but to be like, I got on the phone with some guys, told them just let me know what you need, then got on a plane and what are you praying?
mark ousley
This is worse than a mean tweet.
You know what I mean?
This is a tweet of like, I'm just going to placate you, I'm going to say something, so I can say I said something, and that's it.
You know, I'd rather have an outwardly mean tweet than just something that placates people who are really going through a hard time.
tim pool
Let's be real.
Biden talked to nobody.
He probably did nothing.
It's a stock photo they probably took of him weeks ago.
They probably have a whole library of photos of him doing other things.
You've got, remember that picture of him?
And it was supposed to be at Camp David.
But then people noticed the clock was not daylight savings time.
And they're like, wait a minute.
This had to have been taken before March or like before November or whatever, proving that either, well, maybe they don't update their clocks, or it was a stock photo of the president.
This is probably a stock photo.
They bring him in a room and they say, we're gonna get a bunch of different photos of you doing different things to use in different moments.
I bet the dude has no idea what's going on in Ohio.
I bet he's just like, I don't know.
They told him to get on a plane and fly to Ukraine.
ian crossland
He tweeted about it yesterday.
Rail companies have spent millions of dollars to oppose common sense safety regulations, and it's worked.
More than a train derailment, more than a toxic waste bill, it's years of opposition to safety measures coming home to roost.
Doesn't mention Ohio, doesn't mention this house.
mark ousley
So that's the same talking point as Politico just put out, right?
I mean, it's all Trump's fault, basically.
Right?
Because of the regulations.
And Obama did the same thing with Bush, and I'm, you know, no fan of Bush, but it was seven years into his presidency and he was like, oh, well, Bush, right?
Something went wrong.
It was Bush's fault.
And that seems to be what Biden is doing.
Anytime he can just say, oh, if it's wrong, it's Trump's fault.
It has nothing to do with what I've done.
You just go back and look at the previous administration.
phil labonte
I expect that out of an administration if they're going to actually Do that in conjunction with taking action to help relieve the situation on the ground.
If there's going to be like, I'm not a fan of government anyways, but if there's going to be a government that's that's if there's going to be an EPA, if there's going to be, you know, a FEMA and stuff, why aren't they helping in the places that in the US that need their help?
mark ousley
Well, and the rail system is the federal government's responsibility.
And when you're talking about the chemicals and stuff, this is the EPA.
This is what they do.
ian crossland
I was told that Biden's been offering federal help to the governors, but they haven't been requesting it.
He actually says in his tweet, as I said to your governors, they'll have every resource that they need, indicating that they Like, they're available for you, governors, if you need it.
But what is it?
Is it that the federal government gives a state some sort of FEMA relief, then the state owes the federal government something?
Is it like a tit-for-tat?
So the governor's like, I don't want to get involved with federal money.
I don't want you breathing down my neck about that thing in the future as a result.
tim pool
I mean, to some degree, but also like, you know, we pay taxes, and that's the point of them.
So that federal emergency management can come and assist us when things like this happen.
ian crossland
But I would think it would happen with no, you know, no expectation of something in return.
mark ousley
Well, I think the governor has to declare some kind of state of emergency at some point.
But other than that, if he requested, the aid should be offered.
But I don't know.
It seems all very, very strange that the federal government didn't jump in at the beginning.
It didn't highlight the issue at the beginning.
I mean, it seemed like when I first tweeted about it, which was early, right?
I was getting, you know, bot replies in my in my feed saying, oh, you need to check your sources on what actually is happening there.
And this kind of false narrative of everything is fine.
The people of East Palestine are just making a mountain out of a molehill.
Everything's OK.
And then it turns out, absolutely, that's not the case.
It took JD Vance going over there to do it, to show people.
But again we were fed a narrative or when we were fed a narrative it turned out to be completely false.
ian crossland
I posted I retweeted the early image of like the river the Ohio River and then all the potentially affected states through the water table and I just tweeted the image I said I don't know, there's nothing verifying if this is real or
not.
Get water filters, get air filters, don't wait for official confirmation to take care of yourself.
And I got a Twitter the next day, a warning said, this is unverified. And someone's like,
Ian, you got a war. I was like, I'm fine with it. I know I didn't verify this.
Just take care of yourself. But then the next day they removed the warning. So like, I don't know.
mark ousley
That's interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, it was a big thing where the New York Times claimed the far-right conspiracy theorists were saying the water table was being threatened, and I'm like, the governor of Ohio said that.
He said a chemical plume is flowing downriver towards West Virginia.
Are we supposed to assume that you can drink those chemicals?
Is that why it's safe?
The New York Times.
mark ousley
It's all about the power of the first impression, right?
They put out these narratives hoping that, okay, the people that read the New York Times or the people that read the Washington Post They see that at the beginning, and they never look at it again.
And anytime they see a story about it after that, they go, oh, that's just crazy right-wing conspiracy theorists.
And so it's the power of that first impression that they're trying to marshal there.
It's really criminal.
ian crossland
I've got the notice back on.
I think the notice is on the thing I retweeted.
It's not on my tweet.
So it says the map is a high river basin, does not accurately represent areas.
of potentially contaminated drinking water.
Multiple agencies and locales are actively testing groundwater and river-based drinking water and have found no contamination.
Have found no contamination, yet we've seen J.D.
Vance's video of contamination.
tim pool
And a grocery store is pulling water bottles off the shelves.
Yeah, I wonder why.
ian crossland
I think this notice can come down Twitter, whoever set that up.
tim pool
We're gonna segue to a news story, a story from the New York Post.
It's titled, Death of Shot Clinton Aid with Epstein Ties Found Tied to Tree Ruled Suicide Despite No Gun at Scene.
And I want to say to all of you who are watching this show and are fans, I wanted to open tonight's show with this story.
But the big news is obviously Trump coming down.
That matters a lot more to people because it's directly impacting the lives of people who are facing this toxics bill.
So I can respect that.
And as much as the Clinton aide being tied by the neck to a tree and found shot to death with no gun, being ruled a suicide, well this is not immediately going to impact your life, but it is very, very interesting.
So let me just stress that again.
An individual who worked for the Clintons Uh, in the 90s, was found tied to a tree, shot in the chest, no gun, and they went, looks like a suicide to me.
So, uh, I guess he held the gun to his chest and when he pulled the trigger, it, the recoil blasted off into the air where it landed on a small log in the river and then floated downstream and eventually over a waterfall where it's just gone.
ian crossland
Maybe.
He might have had balloons tied to his gun.
unidentified
That's a good point.
mark ousley
Yeah, that could have been it.
unidentified
That's a good one.
tim pool
He had several hundred balloons tied to the gun, because obviously the gun would probably weigh several pounds.
mark ousley
Did the Warren Commission do this or something?
It's like the phantom gun theory.
You know what I mean?
If you're tied to a tree and you've got gunshots, is it more than one gunshot or is it just one?
tim pool
Or is it two?
Well, I think he just said that he was shot in the chest, right?
That's what it was, Phil?
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
So if even if you have a pistol and you're doing that kind of extension cord tying his neck to a tree with a gunshot wound to the chest that's what it says guns what I wonder what kind of gunshot oh they could you could you imagine like if this if if this was a suicide and he strapped balloons to his gun for for Well, okay, come on.
Like, clearly he did not do that.
Clearly, this is probably just not a suicide.
Um, maybe- there's a bunch of things you can say maybe to, right?
Let's- let's play this game.
How could someone- so he goes up against a tree, and he throws the extension cord around it, and then catches it on the other side, and then ties it, and spins it around, so that way he's tied by the neck, then he takes We don't know what kind of gun.
Hold it to his chest and when he pulls the trigger, at this point, several things may have occurred.
The gun recoil launched into the air, where I mentioned it lands on a log
and then floats away downstream, never to be seen again.
Or maybe a bear came and like cocaine bear, saw the gun and thought to himself,
with this, I will rule the forest.
Picks the gun up and then walks away.
In reality, maybe someone found the gun and was like, hey, that's worth money and then just took it and ran.
But let's just play Occam's Razor.
In the absence of evidence, the simple solution tends to be the correct one.
Someone shot him.
That's it.
mark ousley
And took the gun away.
Right?
tim pool
And then walked away with it.
phil labonte
I can't believe that that's even a headline.
I can't believe that actually people are expected to believe that.
I mean, I suppose after the Epstein stuff, you know, they figure just whatever.
mark ousley
I would like to hear the numbers of the number of people that commit suicide by shooting themselves in the chest.
You know what I'm saying?
Because I don't think that, from what I've read about this situation, about people who do that, they want it over quickly, right?
If you shoot yourself in the chest, unless you get yourself right in the heart, it's still a slow process, right?
And so I think that should be a question that they ask as well.
And not to mention just the sheer mechanics.
If it was a rifle that it was done with, it was slow.
tim pool
Well, the cop said they found a 12-gauge buckshot in his car and a gun case with no gun.
So then, did he have a shotgun?
mark ousley
That is incredibly difficult to do.
A shotgun is a long rifle weapon.
phil labonte
An 18-inch barrel if it's not an SPS.
tim pool
That's why the typical story is you use your foot.
They aim with their feet or whatever.
I don't want to give away too much.
Please, nobody hurt yourself at home or anything like that.
I'm sorry, the recoil launches it into the air where it attached to a bird, like a bird catches it and flies away with it?
He tied balloons to it?
I mean, that's the only logical explanation if these cops are to be right.
Or how about this?
This guy is involved in something and somebody killed him.
I mean, for all we know, look, let's be real.
For all we know, he was banging some dude's wife, right?
It could be that simple.
We don't need to go back 30 years and be like the Clintons.
He did.
And maybe he banged some dude's wife and someone got revenge on him.
Maybe it was a sheriff's wife.
mark ousley
But the sad part about this is that this is going to put an end to any real questioning about this.
You know, you may have people like us talking about it, but as in terms of official investigation, this is done because nobody else has jurisdiction.
phil labonte
Anything about the Clintons is done before it gets started.
mark ousley
It's true.
ian crossland
What's the Epstein ties?
tim pool
He signed Epstein into the White House apparently like a dozen times, something like that.
ian crossland
I don't think that someone who's going to commit suicide would tie their neck around a tree first.
That is very weird.
tim pool
Or tie balloons to the gun.
I mean, unless he was just like, I hate this world and I'm gonna confuse the hell out of everybody.
ian crossland
I looked up New York Post Clinton AIDS suicide and it gave me other people's names as well.
mark ousley
Mark Rich.
ian crossland
Vince Foster.
mark ousley
Mark Middleton.
Mark Middleton, that's who it was, not Mark Rich.
Vince Foster.
Yeah, I mean, twice in the back of the head or something like that.
tim pool
There was uh, who was the guy who was the journalist who was investigating the CIA or whatever like the crack stuff and then he got shot twice in the head and they ruled it a suicide.
You want to look that one up?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
What was that guy's name?
Like there's just so many of these stories and then I was mentioned I've been watching Yellowstone.
And so this isn't really a spoiler, because this is like first season, first episode stuff, but they kill a lot of people in that show, and they just kick them off a mountain, and it's like, ain't nobody gonna find these people.
ian crossland
This is Gary Webb, is that the guy?
tim pool
Gary Webb, yeah.
ian crossland
Two gunshots to the head, ruled a suicide by the Sacramento County Coroner's Office.
mark ousley
And that's it for that investigation.
tim pool
Okay.
mark ousley
You know what I mean?
That's done.
tim pool
It could be like in South Park.
There was that episode where the guy was trying to kill himself and then shoots himself.
He's like, Oh, I'm still alive.
And then he keeps trying or whatever.
Like, okay, whatever.
But I just, I got an Occam's razor this one and just be like, typically when someone's shot twice in the head, it's not a suicide.
So why would they be like, nah, you know, suicides or whatever.
ian crossland
Geez, Gary Webb wrote, what is this, the Dark Alliance series?
Examine the origins of the crack-cocaine trade in Los Angeles and anti-communist contra rebels in Nicaragua.
unidentified
Yeah, you know, we don't want people finding out about that.
ian crossland
The drug trade fueling the CIA economy.
phil labonte
The CIA selling crack and cocaine in the United States.
ian crossland
Do you think, what percentage of our economy do you think is like drugs?
Is that taken in pharma?
I don't know.
tim pool
I mean, I think big pharma accounts for like probably 10%, some ridiculous number.
I think the healthcare industry itself is 20%, isn't it?
It's huge.
Huge.
But that's not just drugs.
ian crossland
Yeah, those are illicit drugs, not illicit drugs.
tim pool
No, no, no, it's all drugs.
20% of the economy is medical, meaning like when you go to a doctor to get your legs set, you know, or get, you know, ibuprofen for your bad headaches.
mark ousley
Does that include mental health?
tim pool
Yes.
phil labonte
Yeah, and all the prices for that are all inflated because the government being involved in it and stuff anyway.
unidentified
There's no market, you know, in the U.S., but... Yeah.
mark ousley
Well...
ian crossland
You think this drug trade from Central America is a portion of the black budget economy we just don't know about?
mark ousley
Of course, I think it is.
There's always dark money, and it comes from all sources.
But when you get into situations like this, just like Tim was saying, it could not be Clinton-related.
tim pool
Look, this guy worked for the Clintons 30 some odd years ago.
They're bringing up he was a Clinton-ade because of the conspiracy theory.
And that's what I've said about the conspiracy theory.
The Clintons are high-profile people who've worked in multiple agencies and in government.
Of course they're going to have connections to a lot of people.
Now, the question is, take someone of comparable public stature and then calculate how many deaths and suicides have existed around them in their periphery.
And then do that several times.
Is it different?
I think what happens is, yeah, the Clintons are shady people, but it's just like, I've seen stories where it's like a security guard who worked for a financial firm that Clinton once used was found dead, and I'm like, okay, well, hold on there, buddy.
We're getting a bit Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon on this one.
Did they work with them or with their organizations?
If there's a lot of that, that's weird.
But they're just bringing up a guy who died recently and being like, he worked for the Clintons 30 years ago.
And it's like, you're telling me that he still works for the Clintons or something?
mark ousley
Well, and this is just compounded by the whole Epstein connection.
I mean, they're still trying to claim that he, you know, killed himself.
Right?
I mean, and you know, all the tapes just weren't working.
All the videos weren't working.
ian crossland
This should say former Clinton, Ed.
tim pool
Minsk says, Tim, don't forget to give the disclaimer.
Talk to a doctor and find out if associating with the Clintons is right for you.
I think the doctor would say, no, no, no, don't do that.
Didn't he die in Arkansas, too?
Is that what it was?
That's what I think was real.
Yeah, he Paraville, Arkansas, May 2nd, 2022.
Almost one year after his death, a police report obtained by the outlet revealed that the Little Rock businessman was discovered with a gunshot wound to the chest and extension cord tying his neck to a tree.
The extension cord was tied to a tree limb above him.
So did he, like, throw it over and then, like, slipknot it, pull it tight around his neck, and then lean back and then shoot himself?
mark ousley
Could this be autoerotic asphyxiation gone wrong?
I mean, you know, like, I mean, it just it just seems so very strange.
tim pool
Maybe the real story is that, like, it was autoerotic asphyxiation, but then, like, a loved one was like, I can't let it be known that he died this way, so they shoot him when he was already dead.
mark ousley
That's an explanation.
tim pool
Well, there was some celebrity who died from that, and they wouldn't admit it.
They were like, oh, it was heroin.
phil labonte
Cigarette in excess.
tim pool
Was it?
ian crossland
Was it really?
phil labonte
I think it was the singer NXS.
tim pool
He was choking himself while cranking it.
This is a family friendly show.
ian crossland
Was it Cornell?
Was Cornell doing that too?
phil labonte
I don't think so, no.
ian crossland
Okay, good.
tim pool
Yeah, I think that was heroin.
I think.
ian crossland
Chris.
tim pool
Yeah, I think that was heroin, wasn't it?
ian crossland
He died on an airplane?
phil labonte
I heard it was a suicide.
I had never heard about cause of death, though.
ian crossland
Was it a fentanyl overdose or something?
tim pool
No, I don't know.
I've also heard other stories about what that might have been, so I'm gonna not get into, you know.
unidentified
Of Cornell.
tim pool
Yeah, not just that, but like a lot of other people, too.
It's just, you know.
unidentified
It's good and dark here, guys.
tim pool
Dark and not so family-friendly.
ian crossland
Do you think that having the word Clinton in the headline of this is sensationalist?
Yes.
mark ousley
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Do you think sensationalist journalism is destroying the universe?
unidentified
Yes.
phil labonte
No.
mark ousley
Destroying the universe. Yeah, I think it's destroying our political system. I think I think that
Everything is about getting clicks and and you have this giant push for okay, how many clean this is right and left?
That's what gets so fresh. I live in a red state. Okay, and and
Politicians or just journalists will automatically put out the most sensational headline that they can
and the the body of the story is nothing to do with what the headline has to do and
And this is in red states, you know, and it gets very frustrating for people who, like myself, are just trying to find the truth about what's actually happening in your community, because all this stuff becomes smoke and mirrors.
And I think that the Republicans, taking kind of the woke The woke cue from things from 2019, 2020, when everything just got out of hand, have said, well, we're just going to jump on the bad wagon.
You know, conservative media sometimes does that.
And I think it's not doing us any favors.
It's not doing us any favors to actually find out the truth of what's going on.
ian crossland
It's kind of like if a weapon was given to your opponent, the opposing army, but what the weapon does is hurt everyone a little bit.
And they use it and they use it and you're like, well that thing is destroying us, we
need it too.
So then you start using it and everyone's getting hurt.
I mean, it's everyone.
You're people too.
That's what it feels like.
mark ousley
Right.
And it's self-harm over time because then people stop trusting you.
You know, and the more the politicians dig into that, you get, in the local communities,
you know, and in places like Oklahoma, you just lose trust for the people that you've
And you know these people, right?
These are your local elected officials.
But they're participating as much as anybody on the national level, sometimes more.
phil labonte
This association and not trusting and not knowing your local politicians I think is something that that people in cities are familiar with and used to whereas people in small towns it's easier to access your your local politicians if there's only 5,000 10,000 people in your town as opposed to if you're you know in a New York City or in Cleveland or or whatever you know like people in we're talking about East Palestine there's only 5,000 of them they can they can access the Politicians and let them know that they're upset really easy they can but it's a that's a double-edged sword because sometimes you get local politicians who are friends with everybody sure and right and they will just say what everything that kind of on the on the blanket of that trust on the foundation of that trust and oftentimes you'll see if you really investigate it and
mark ousley
That what they're saying is not necessary and I'm not talking about anybody specifically I'm just saying I've seen this over and over again where they use this hometown spirit Okay, if you're running in this district got 10,000 people in your district, you know all their names You know all the families and you go out and you say, you know Well, this is what this bill does and you actually read the bill And it does the complete opposite?
That gets weaponized, too.
And so I would just encourage anybody, from my experience, read your bills, your local bills, because they're the ones that, the local laws that are passed on your behalf from your local politicians, because those are the ones that directly affect you.
phil labonte
Yeah.
mark ousley
Make sure they're doing what it is they say they're doing.
ian crossland
I've been thinking about sensationalizing the titles of our show, like this show, because like, what if the name of the show is just number 713?
Would we get as many views?
mark ousley
Well, then you'd be Lex Friedman.
ian crossland
We might not.
We might get more.
Yeah, exactly, because Lex's show is off the chains popular.
Rogan, he doesn't put any, he just puts the name of the person in the video and the number.
Huge views, because you know the person, you trust them, and it's more about the people than about the what.
mark ousley
Right.
But you come to Tim Cass to find out, because I think this show has done a great job.
I started watching around 2020, you know, and you're a left-leaning person, I was more right-leaning, right?
And I appreciated the fact that I could see what you were talking about, and then I could see your mind change, you know, on different things.
That it opened up, you were opening up people's eyes while you were opening up people's eyes about things.
And I think that that's the benefit of having that kind of, if you want to call it sensationalism, you know, on a show like this.
It's because you hit people from all sides here.
You know what I mean?
tim pool
This is a topical cultural commentary and political commentary and news commentary.
If we were just a show about Talking to each other and having a hangout, the titles will be very different.
So that's why Lex Fridman's show is literally him talking to a guy.
Joe Rogan is him talking to a person.
Or, I shouldn't say a guy, but people.
So it's just the name of the person, and that's what you go for.
So the new show that we're doing, you know, Fridays, Culture War with Tim Pool, youtube.com slash timcast, is probably just gonna be titled Culture War Number One, Ollie London, Culture War Number Two, Guest, Guest, Guest to Come.
Because those are just conversations and hangouts.
ian crossland
I guess, do you stress about being too sensationalist when you make internet video titles?
tim pool
A little bit.
We've talked about it before.
I mean, I've got my limit.
Clearly the most successful channels on YouTube have no qualms whatsoever about saying the craziest garbled nonsense.
ian crossland
You know, one thing Mr. Beast does really well is his titles will be outlandishly awesome, but then in the first 10 seconds he'll back up the title, he'll let you know you are about to see what the title says.
It's this.
Get ready.
So you know, like, your expectations are met right away.
tim pool
Apparently that's a huge part of... As with many things, there are people who naturally are sensational, and they have no idea what they're doing and why it works, but they get a lot of traffic.
Then there are people who consciously try to figure out how to create better titles and headlines to attract more people, and they get called scummy for being manipulative.
It's like, well, should we just leave it to those who are accidentally manipulating people, or should people make headlines that are attractive?
I have a limit, you know, clearly.
But there are, strangely, we've had instances where it's like, the news story is, you know, Donald Trump delivers Big Macs.
Like, I'll make the title just that and someone will be like, clickbait.
And I'll be like, clickbait.
Clickbait refers to omitting information from a title in order to get people to click it so that they can figure out what's going on.
Ragebait is a reference to intentionally overhyping something to shock people, make them angry, so they click it and then watch.
And then of course, clickbait could also refer to if Joe Biden trips going up the stairs, titling the video, Joe Biden has horrific fall, nearly dies, and then it's a video of him stumbling and going.
That's most of the internet, though.
Let's jump to the story.
Here's one.
This headline is not sensationalized.
From the post-millennial, Arizona rancher charged with murder of Mexican man was, quote, hunting migrants with AK-47, prosecutors.
Prosecutors allege that Kelly hunted the group of men with his gun and made numerous alterations to his story when later spoke to law enforcement.
So you may have heard this story.
This guy, George Allen Kelly, 73, is being charged with murder because a guy who was on his property was shot.
They say he did it.
It was an illegal immigrant with numerous felony crossings, I guess.
And the issue now apparently is they're saying he hunted these migrants down to kill them.
Yeah.
What I find strange is that Arizona, I'm pretty sure, is a defensive property state, meaning you can kill someone to defend your property.
Like, if someone is about to cross onto your property, my understanding is that you have a right to use lethal force if they don't stop.
So what's strange about this case is that here's a guy who's on his own property.
Clearly, someone's breaking the law.
They end up shot and dead.
But this guy gets arrested.
I'm wondering, how does that make sense?
mark ousley
Well, he was trespassing, right?
In the country and the land, right?
Vivek Ramaswamy just announced for president, and he talks about the difference between immigration and illegal immigration, or people coming across the border illegally.
I think that's the crux of the matter here.
He's crossed the border illegally, and then he's crossed into somebody's property illegally, right?
And this guy's defending his property, He has a right to do that as opposed to somebody who goes through INS and goes through the process to get the green card and does all of that.
And I think that underscores what we were just talking about, about the need to be precise in our language, right?
And that's why I kind of like Vivek and him coming out and running for president now, you know, but it is to be precise in our language and understand what is happening here is why you see so much confusion about situations like this, you know, and then the media just seems to play into that.
ian crossland
This guy says that he just fired warning shots and there's no evidence that his bullets hit the guy, which to me sounds like he might be telling a lie, that maybe he did go out there to shoot the trespassers, but now he's afraid that if he says it out loud he'll go to jail for sure, so he changed his story, but when you change your story then you look like a liar.
That's kind of what I'm looking at the path of this situation at the moment.
tim pool
I think the Biden administration and Democrats want more illegal immigration for a variety of
reasons. One, so they can increase the population in their states. They're bringing these people in,
putting them on planes and flying them to swing states and blue states. And they also want the
short-term economic demand. Bringing in a whole bunch of people and putting them in cities will
create temporary short-term demand, followed by stagnation and economic crisis.
But that short-term gain looks good for them on paper, they can use it to get re-elected.
The long-term gain is bringing in a bunch of people who will increase the census numbers, giving them more electoral college votes and congressional seats.
So, when a guy who lives there says, hey, get off my property, they're coming right for me, they go, this guy needs to be made, we need to make an example of him, so that people don't screw with our agenda.
You take a look, was it McAllen, Texas?
Is that where it's at?
Where, under the bridge, they had all those people?
The Biden administration clearly is happy with what's going on.
People talk about the southern border and Biden letting us down or failing or whatever, and it's like, no, no, he's doing exactly what he intended to do the whole time.
phil labonte
This is 100% by design.
This is the intent of the Democrats.
They have had Full authority to do something for two years.
They have done nothing.
They did nothing during the Obama administration This has been the Democrats plan for the better part of the past 20 years to have a cheap Labor be imported into the country that that's it's it's completely clear that I can't take anyone that argues against that seriously.
ian crossland
It's been going on for 250 years, dude.
The southern states imported cheap labor through the African slave trade and wanted to use those numbers to pat their stats.
phil labonte
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, They wanted to use those numbers to inflate their stats.
You can say truthfully that bringing slaves in was quote-unquote cheap labor, but migrants coming here is not the same as slavery.
Migrants are coming here of their own volition.
They're walking like they want to do it.
There weren't a lot of people that were in Africa that were like, you know, I'm going to go to America and be a slave.
They weren't running out and jumping on the slave ship.
mark ousley
As soon as Biden got elected, or it looked like he was going to be elected and become president, you had a mass migration from Central America all the way up through because They knew that they were going to be allowed to come through.
And before that, you had remained in Mexico.
tim pool
They had shirts that said, please let us in Biden or whatever.
Remember that one?
mark ousley
Yeah.
No, they asked for it.
And, you know, Kamala Harris comes out and says, well, don't come.
Right.
And of course, they're going to listen.
They can even hear what she's saying.
Right.
I mean, they're not sitting there, you know, on their phones going, oh, well, Kamala said not to go.
Let's go back.
phil labonte
Kamala Harris helped make one of the best memes of that year.
mark ousley
Yeah.
tim pool
Look at these.
ian crossland
The reason I brought you these.
The reason I brought up the African slave trade is because of the numbers padding that they're doing with the census.
I erroneously said that they said all black people were worth three-fifths of a person in the eyes of God two nights ago.
That's not what it was about.
It was about the North trying to say, look, we're not going to let you pad your stats for the states with your slaves.
We'll say they're worth three-fifths of a person each legally.
mark ousley
Well, it was an effort to weaken slavery.
tim pool
The North said they're not voting people because they're slaves.
The South said, yes, they are.
And then they agreed on three-fifths.
Right.
ian crossland
They were property.
The South wanted to call them property, whatever.
But now we've got people that are padding stats, one for one.
They're not legal citizens.
So what do we need?
Another three-fifths clause?
unidentified
Do we need to say No, how about, don't break the law.
phil labonte
How about just enforce the existing laws?
mark ousley
That, right there.
ian crossland
Well, the problem is sanctuary states, because existing law is different.
tim pool
That's illegal.
mark ousley
They're breaking the law.
phil labonte
It is illegal.
The federal government has, whether or not you agree with open borders or not, currently the federal government is the organization charged with protecting the borders and enforcing border law.
And they are completely and totally neglecting to do that.
mark ousley
Well, and I think you're seeing good signs come out of places like Texas where you have Governor Abbott, you know, saying, if you're not going to do it, we're going to do it, you know, and we're going to send the National Guard or send, you know, the Texas Marshals down there to help enforce.
But when you when you don't have a barrier, Right?
I mean, when you don't have something to keep them out in places that, because you can't put eyes on every inch of the border all the time.
It's impossible.
So the federal government is leaving this to the states, knowing that they probably can't handle it economically.
And it absolutely is a plan.
It's been working for a long, long time.
tim pool
Sanctuary states basically means they're not part of the union.
When California says we will not abide by union law, it's like, well then why are you in any way tied to this union if you're not agreeing to the interposition?
mark ousley
Let me just play devil's advocate.
What about the marijuana laws?
Because you have, what, 40 states now that have said that marijuana is legal, but the federal government says it's not.
unidentified
Agreed.
mark ousley
You know?
I mean, it's interesting.
tim pool
The federal government's got deep problems.
mark ousley
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, I agree.
ian crossland
That's the idea of interposition, where a state's supposed to step in and say, we supersede your federal law, which is technically the way the country works.
So in that instance, California can say, yeah, even if you're acting xenophobic, we're going to let whoever we want in.
tim pool
Then Texas should have the right to deport.
And the problem is, what we're hearing from border states is that they have no authority in deporting people.
phil labonte
Texas is deporting to New York and Florida.
tim pool
All that's doing is putting illegal immigrants in deeper into the country and embedding them here.
They're helping Joe Biden and Democrats and convincing their voters they're helping their voters.
So you get all these Republicans going like, yay, haha, it's so funny they're doing this.
Meanwhile, Biden's like, this is awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
This is fantastic for us.
We're going to inflate our numbers in these jurisdictions, and New York is going to get more congressional votes.
It's going to get more electoral college votes.
Thank you, Texas.
Thank you, Florida.
phil labonte
I do think that there is a little bit of risk in classifying all people that are migrants
as automatically a Democrat voter, especially considering the push with LGBT issues, gender
ideology. That's not going to fly with the Catholics coming up from South America.
No.
And also you...
There's also a lot of people from a lot of different parts of the world now are coming through the U.S.
border.
I've heard about people from Syria and from Turkey already getting there because of the earthquake.
So, as long as that border is open, there's going to be people from all over the world coming to South America and then making the trek up through Mexico.
The Remain in Mexico policy, or Remain in Whatever the safest country that you can get to, that's the correct policy.
If you want to apply for asylum, that's it.
That's the one to do.
Personally, I think we should have a much easier system for getting people to immigrate to the U.S.
Generally, I like the idea of open borders.
I do think there probably has to be some kind of immigration control.
But overall, I think free people should be able to move wherever they want.
But the system that we have now is not working at all.
ian crossland
When I'm thinking about the census, I think when you fill out the census, you don't have to put if you're a citizen, is that right?
Is that the way they changed it now?
There's no like, is there a census, or is there a citizen block and you can either say yes, no, or I don't have to fill it out?
Well, if you don't put that you're a citizen, then your census count should be worth three-fifths of a person.
tim pool
Or nothing, and Donald Trump tried getting that on the census, and they sued, and the Supreme Court said you can't do that.
ian crossland
They wanted to prevent him from forcing people to acknowledge that they weren't citizens.
I'm just saying you don't have to acknowledge if you are or you're not, but if you don't acknowledge that you are, then your census should count for less.
tim pool
He wanted to put the question on the census, and they blocked him saying you can't.
mark ousley
Right, that's what it was.
ian crossland
Which is insane.
I understand that, because if people had to say no, then they'd just be a target for ICE.
mark ousley
Well, they wouldn't have filled it out.
tim pool
What?
So you're saying people who are here illegally breaking our laws should just be allowed to keep breaking our laws?
I don't personally feel like that, but that's, I think, the... It's a ridiculous argument that it's like, well, if someone is committing serious felonies, we shouldn't force them to tell us.
Yes, you should!
The cops should find them and arrest them, and that's it.
mark ousley
Well, and if you aren't a citizen of the United States, you aren't necessarily protected by the Constitution of the United States.
unidentified
You are.
tim pool
You absolutely are protected by the Constitution.
mark ousley
If you're not a citizen?
tim pool
Constitution applies to anybody in this country.
Doesn't matter if you're a citizen or not.
And I'm fine with that.
The issue, however, is if you are not a citizen of this country and you are here illegally or your visa... Well, but then you have a right to not self-incriminate.
mark ousley
You could plead the fifth, so to speak, right?
tim pool
Right, so you get the census with the question on it and you don't fill it out.
But the idea that you can't put the question on the census is insane.
And the argument from the left was, well then people who are not citizens won't fill it out and we'll get inaccurate readings.
And it's like, so the people who are here illegally, we won't give federal funding to the people who aren't here illegally?
I'm fine with that.
If you're not here legally, you should not be receiving benefits in any way.
California should not get a congressional seat because of illegal immigrants they let in and don't enforce the laws against.
So this is the big problem.
This is why I feel like the country is on the verge of blowing up, collapsing, whatever you want to call it.
Texas has to abide by the votes of California when it comes to the federal government.
But California is breaking the federal rules to strengthen itself.
So imagine You got a roommate, and your roommate is taking your stuff and selling it, and then using that money to pay your rent or whatever, and you're like, yo, you can't do this.
You're stealing my stuff, basically.
Well, you know, I pay more rent than you, so I get more say.
California is breaking the rules, bringing people in, then arguing they should get more say than everybody else.
Why would Texas or Florida want to be a part of a union that allows that?
mark ousley
That's it.
I know that the national divorce question is huge right now.
The thing that gives me pause about this, and I understand your question, because it seems like it makes it impossible to work with each other, but I just want to remind everybody of what the woke mantra was in 2020, right?
It's disrupt and dismantle, right?
That was the whole thing.
And it seems to me that the left has done a lot of disrupting,
and they're leaving it to the right to dismantle a little bit,
where it's like, okay, we've disrupted all this stuff.
Aren't you super mad at California?
Well, then we need a national divorce, because what I keep reminding people of is that,
first of all, the more you talk about divorce, the more likely it is to happen.
That's if you've ever been in marriage counseling or anything like that.
But the other part of it is that the only thing that's keeping the global oligarchy
from taking over completely, I believe, is the Constitution of the United States.
And if you have a disillusion, if you have a divorce,
the Constitution is gone.
I mean, it is in effect gone.
And so then we have a serious problem, because then we've actually brought...
We brought to the left what the left wanted in the first place, because they disrupted and we dismantled.
So I understand the sentiment, and I know it's difficult, but we've been through worse times, right?
tim pool
The Constitution is basically gone as it is, because red states don't do anything, Republicans don't do anything.
There has been a growing contingent of people, say the MAGA movement or whatever, who have been resisting.
The establishment is freaking out, and they've been freaking out.
But you take a look at Mitch McConnell, who, I love this, he was asked about Nord Stream.
Who could have done it?
And he goes, well, it certainly wasn't us, or something like that.
It's like, oh yeah, okay, Russia blipped their own pipeline.
No sane, rational person who pays attention to politics thinks that.
But this is what they do, this is what they think of you, and how they present quote-unquote facts.
So, what does this mean for us if we have a constitution or otherwise?
Are they infringing on our rights to free speech?
Yes, every single day.
Are they infringing on our right to keep and bear arms?
Yes, incessantly.
They even infringed on the third amendment with the COVID lockdowns by mandating that people who are in the U.S.
armed forces could not be evicted.
That violates the third.
Don't even get me started on the fourth amendment, come on.
Unwarranted search and seizure, the mass spying programs, fifth amendment.
Dude, there are people who are locked up all the time.
January 6th is a great example.
The list goes on and on and on.
mark ousley
But do you think that the left is the only ones doing that?
tim pool
That's why I'm saying it doesn't matter.
mark ousley
It doesn't matter.
tim pool
So the idea now is sit back and let California cheat and break the law and abuse people and let Democrats do it nationwide and riot and burn down buildings or say no and get a national divorce.
phil labonte
I think that we have, there's, I think that a national divorce is a little too extreme.
And I think that I've, I made an argument on Twitter that at this point I think convention of states is the, is the only legal means to get, to have, to have a divorce.
It says to actually dissolve.
You were talking last night about the Civil War.
The thing about the Civil War is they didn't have the states to call a convention.
So it was technically illegal for the states to secede because they couldn't actually make the amendment.
If you call Article 5 Convention.
You can actually amend the Constitution.
It's not going to be easy, but it's a whole lot easier than living without electricity because we had a civil war and the infrastructure is destroyed.
tim pool
Calling a convention does not get you the requisite votes for changing the Constitution.
It simply brings people to a room who then argue again.
phil labonte
You can make amendments to the Constitution, which then have to be voted on and ratified by the states, but independent of D.C.
tim pool
Yes.
And then we don't have enough states to even call a convention.
And if we did, I would say half of the red states are going to go, slow down there, Democrats, and then do nothing.
You're not wrong, but the... So what we have right now is we're in an abusive relationship where we're being pummeled and beaten in the face, and people are going, but if you leave him, you'll be homeless.
And I'm like, I'd rather sleep under a bridge.
phil labonte
The point is...
You have to exhaust the legal means that are afforded to the population for anything to be legitimate.
You have to go through all legal means first.
tim pool
Asking for a legal solution to the issue.
mark ousley
It is, but again, you're enabling what I believe is behind the disillusion of America or the disillusion of us as a people.
You're giving them exactly what they want.
I don't care what they want.
tim pool
That's not an argument.
mark ousley
I think it is an argument, because if you're playing into what the plan is, Because it'll be worse after you don't have the protection of the Constitution, albeit it may be weakened at this point.
tim pool
I disagree.
States have their own constitutions.
It's like saying, my significant other is mercilessly beating me, demanding I leave the house, but if I do leave, I'll be giving them exactly what they want.
It's like, or you leave, and then you stop getting beaten, and then you'll be responsible for yourself.
So I'm not saying a national divorce is the guaranteed, absolute way to solve these problems.
I'm just saying the argument that we should sit here, take the abuse, and then cross our fingers is also not an answer.
mark ousley
Well, but you also have, you can fight back through the legal means to stop these things, and you have more, you have more tools to be able to do that within, within the system that we have, within the constitutional system that we have.
phil labonte
Lawsuits have just barely begun.
unidentified
Right, exactly.
Lawsuits have just barely begun, and you do have... This is the naivety.
tim pool
Okay, California will not stop.
These cult members are hell-bent on imposing everything about their psychosis on the rest of the country, and the other side, which is independent, conservative, post-liberal, or whatever, are saying, please leave me alone.
But please leave me alone doesn't stop abusers from trying to destroy you and harm your children.
And so, we're at a point now where we've got Marjorie Taylor Greene and other people like Michael Malice and Luke Rutkowski, among many others, saying, maybe a peaceful divorce, a national divorce.
And now you have many conservatives coming out saying, no, that's a bad idea because then we lose this, we lose that, we lose this, and I'm like...
Actually, I think the cities will collapse in two seconds without the rural areas that prop them up.
These people seem to think that national divorce means state borders.
No, no, no, that's not what it means at all.
It likely would mean if you look at the secession movement in Oregon, in Eastern Oregon, it
would strip the rural farmland from the cities that are oppressing them.
And the people in Eastern Oregon are trying to secede first and foremost just from Portland,
basically, so that they can join Idaho and be working with a community that more agrees
with them.
That's step one.
That's not even national divorce.
And Portland says, F you no, because the people who live in Eastern Portland are poorer, but
produce the food and the resources the city needs to survive.
You cut that off, the city ceases to exist in two seconds.
So if there was a national divorce, I'd imagine Los Angeles, New York, Portland, Chicago, etc.
would crumble and people would panic and it would be sheer chaos as they went to farms and desperately begged you for food.
Now California as a state produces a ton of food, but the parts that produce the food are all conservative.
So what would happen if there was a national divorce?
Would the people in California be like, guess we're stuck with California, or would they be like, the borders are dissolving, we're with them?
mark ousley
But you also have to remember that the people producing the food make their money and their living by selling the food to the cities.
So if they're not selling the food to the cities to the people who eat it, then they're not making money either.
So it's within their, it's in their best interest to keep that lane open.
I know it's leverage, I get it, but it's also, it's leverage on both ends because there's supply and demand.
tim pool
Why is it that the cities have leverage over the people, the workers?
Why is it that the guy who works at BuzzFeed and writes articles about Brad Pitt's junk is getting four times the income of a dude who works the field picking crops?
How does that make sense?
We as a society value a dude who goes on the internet and says Donald Trump is Hitler more than a guy who grows the food we need to eat.
That makes no sense.
And if there was some kind of, we don't got to call it a national divorce, some kind of restructuring and an assertion of the leverage and the authority of those who actually make this country work, then you would see cities collapse overnight or desperately.
mark ousley
And that's where language is really important here, because I think that you can do that within the system that we have.
is that if the red states and their governors and their legislatures were to actually put
their foot down, right?
And trust me, I live in the reddest state in America and I get very frustrated with
exactly what it is that you're describing here, which is like, oh, you know, oh, well
let's do the 2030 plan and, you know, make a bunch of money off of whatever when they
should be standing up to these other states and, you know, filing a lawsuit like Texas
did against Pennsylvania with the mail-in voting.
And hopefully we could have a Supreme Court that would actually take up a case like that because it was really important.
tim pool
You're playing a game of Monopoly with people who are cheating and they keep going, well, I'll just keep trying and eventually I'll win.
And the people who are cheating, they definitively believe they are justified in doing what they do because they're morally right.
So what we need is, okay, before national divorce, we need a real alignment of the leverage.
The one simple thing is that the producers in this country, of which they're growing increasingly less, to just outright say no to those cities.
Sorry, we no longer drive our trucks and deliver to you.
Because you're destroying this country.
See, the problem is most people, and the reason we're in this mess, is because most people will tell you, I agree with you, but I will do nothing to bring risk to myself.
Matt Strickland comes on this show and talks about how his restaurant was being targeted by ABC, by the government, they seized all his booze, they shut him down, and he refused to back down any one.
Then he gets phone calls from people saying, what you did was amazing, we support you.
What can we do to help?
And he said, do the same thing, brother.
And they go, oh no, I would never do that.
I will only stand back and hide in the shadows as you assume all the risks for yourself, tell you to keep doing it while I watch you get steamrolled by the government, and then do nothing to support you.
Because, well, you know, life's not that bad.
mark ousley
Right.
Well, and we see that kind of thing on the internet all the time.
I mean, just in... I've lived that.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
phil labonte
And I have too, where it's... My Twitter account, people were terrified to touch me because of my Twitter.
They still are terrified to touch me because of my Twitter.
mark ousley
No, I think I've experienced that, and we probably all have at a certain point, where it's nobody will come to your aid, even if they know you're right, because they just don't want to be...
You know, mixed up in the drama.
Yes, they're cowards, and that's really disappointing.
tim pool
We did this skating event in DC, and I was warned by some industry guys.
They were like, hey man, you shouldn't go to DC and do this thing.
People are really mad.
It's going to be a lot of heat, and we're worried.
And then I'm like, dude, I live here.
I live in the DC area.
I go skate where I feel like skating.
And you know what happened?
Nothing.
The locals skated, got a few fist bumps, gave out a bunch of skateboards, a crowd was there, we cheered, we all skated, we filmed.
Nobody said anything negative.
These people live in the state of fear over a boogeyman that doesn't exist.
And they're scared to speak up because You know what?
Maybe the reason YouTube allows a show like this is that us talking about wokeness and the cult puts it in the minds of people to be afraid.
mark ousley
Right.
tim pool
That when we say people are afraid because these things happen, that reinforces it.
I don't know, man.
It's frustrating that we get to the point where Marjorie Taylor Greene says national divorce, and there are people who are still just like, no, no, no, slow down there, Democrats.
And I'm like, dude, If we're at the point where we know for a fact that California is bringing in non-citizens to fluff their numbers and give themselves more federal power, that is a very serious act of corruption that is destroying the union.
And Texas knows it, and Oklahoma knows it, and Nebraska knows it.
All of these red states know it, and they do nothing.
They let California cheat, and then just do nothing.
mark ousley
What are they supposed to do?
tim pool
Well, I think the federal government... Well, I'll put it this way.
At this point, it seems like the federal government is unwilling to enforce these rules.
The Texas v. Pennsylvania lawsuit was a good start, but they need to start cutting off trade and it should be like sanctions.
The idea that Texas allowed a man's child to be taken to California for sex change surgery or medication is insane.
Why would Texas allow that to happen?
Imagine if you lived in a state And a parent said that they were going to bring a child across state lines to kill them for medical assistance in death.
And the state went, that's fine.
It's like, so there's no law protecting life?
Okay, we got a problem there.
Texas or any other state that allows a person to cross its borders to commit crimes elsewhere?
Then we have no rule of law.
I mean, imagine if you took a kid across state lines The federal government agrees with what this woman is doing to this kid, and they won't do anything about it.
And no one else will.
Okay, you could say that we can't have a national divorce, but as far as I'm concerned, when you're at the point where Colorado says no limit abortions, and Oklahoma says no abortions at all, and California says sex change for kids, and Texas says no, but the federal government is siding with one side that's breaking the law, there is no government.
There is no United States.
There is no Constitution.
It is simply people holding on to an image or a memory they once had, wishing that it was still true, but it's not.
phil labonte
But then the option is just force.
Right.
tim pool
The option is loss of confidence.
The option is, as a business, don't trade with California.
Look at what the liberal states do.
They bar their employees and the government from going to Atlanta or otherwise.
They put restrictions on companies doing business with other countries.
I'm sorry, other states.
Other counties.
We'll recover it that way.
But Republicans don't do the same.
unidentified
Mitch McConnell sits down and goes, well, slow down there, Democrats!
tim pool
And people keep voting for him, and they keep voting for McCarthy, and we get the same thing over and over again.
mark ousley
There's an economic reason for that, because you have, like, states like Oklahoma, on the whole, do not have the money and the income that California does, right?
I mean, they don't have the business.
They don't have Google.
I mean, they're starting to get it now.
Google's starting to inject itself into red states, which I'm just like, guys, hey, Don't be careful what you wish for here, you know, but they don't have the large businesses, you know, in Montana that they do in California.
And so they're, in many ways, dependent upon that 21st century income that they see the world going towards.
And so they feel like it's a little bit, they've got them over the barrel.
ian crossland
California, if it was a country, it would be the fifth largest economy in the world alone, just the state.
It apparently pulled in $3.63 trillion in 2022 gross state product, the largest in the United States, the largest economy of any state in the United States.
So it's kind of like asking a kid to stop eating the breast milk of its mother.
California is our Western economy.
It is the mouth of our entire port system, essentially.
tim pool
So start with this.
Charge California 3x taxes for their goods going into your state.
Say, okay, California, if you want to sell your products in our state, then you've got to pay a tariff.
You've got to pay a state import fee.
mark ousley
Yeah, and so then they just go, well, yeah, we'll just do more business with China.
You know what I mean?
Bye, have a nice day.
tim pool
This idea that the right is unwilling to boycott or unwilling to say no, they're unwilling to forego their luxuries, then lose, by all means, then lose.
If you would prefer to have peaceful slavery, by all means, don't let me stand in your way.
However, if you would like to assess the situation and realize that with freedom comes risk and responsibility, well, then the choice is yours.
If you want to go out and... So for us, for instance, we decided we want to get away from the cities and we come to West Virginia.
And there are risks that come with leaving a city.
We can't get internet in the new place we're at.
These are challenges.
It's ridiculously expensive.
Internet costs several thousand dollars per month out here.
It costs 90 bucks in the city.
But I would rather spend that money than live in these areas supporting what they're doing.
So, for a lot of people, they choose peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom.
And you know what?
That's part of freedom, too.
By all means, be that, live that life.
That's not for me.
You know, I'd rather give the middle finger and say, I'm not going to support your machine.
Now, don't get me wrong, there are varying degrees to which we have to coexist and be strategic.
I'm not saying it is simply put that we all just Stop watching Disney.
My position on this has always been, I don't expect the average person to just boycott Disney outright and not watch anything from Disney ever again.
Because that's unreasonable to the average person.
But we have to build the cultural infrastructure to shift them away from it and make things that make them say, I'd rather watch this instead.
Yellowstone's a great show.
Some people have called it woke, which makes no sense to me.
The show is very anti-woke.
Support shows like this, which has a bit of nuance in it, and is, in my opinion, relatively anti-woke.
It's got some good woke moments that I think are fine, but it's mostly like, there's a scene where there's an environmentalist, and she's insulting the family, and a character says, I don't know a lot about this environmental stuff, but I'll tell you this, you don't change anyone's mind by insulting them and their family in their own home.
And I'm like, hear, hear, I like that stuff.
mark ousley
Well, that's kind of like what I was saying earlier, is that we are now just labeling people so much.
If there's a woke moment in a show, the show is woke, right?
If there's an un-woke moment in a show, the show is un-woke, right?
And then that just bifurcates us into this point where it's like, okay, everybody says that we want to, you know, have a parallel economy.
I get that.
I think that makes sense.
Where you have places to go, and that's the free market, right?
But when we start pejorativizing or demonizing these shows, like, because I love that show, right?
I hate the woke parts of it, and I just point that out to people.
I use that to say, look, hey, this is what's actually, I believe, is wrong about this, and I use that as a teaching moment, and then enjoy the rest of the show, right?
And it seems that we're unwilling to do that because there is market influence that says, well, I'm going to create the un-woke version of the show, you know?
We are seeing some positive moves.
tim pool
West Virginia, for instance, Florida, getting rid of ESG.
The state saying outright, we don't do business this way.
We need more of this.
We need more red states to outright ban companies that break the law.
ESG is illegal.
Simply put.
phil labonte
You're looking for state legislatures and state governors to step up and say, okay, we're going to... That's one element.
ian crossland
That's Vivek Ravaswamy's platform, man.
mark ousley
Yes, that is.
It is Vivek's platform.
tim pool
The other element is that we as individuals have to be conscious about the products we buy.
How about this?
Here's a start.
When you go to the grocery store, if you see something, take a look at where it's packaged and produced.
If it says California, put it back.
Don't touch it.
Don't buy it ever again.
If you see something that's coming from a red state, there you go, there's the product you buy.
Better yet, Google search the company.
Are they doing ESG?
Don't buy their garbage.
Because I don't expect you to stop going to a grocery store.
I don't expect you to stop buying whipped cream and HoHs and Ding Dongs.
Just buy the cupcakes that are coming from people who agree with you.
So download Public Square, the app that shows you businesses that agree with American values.
That's phase one.
Creating a parallel economy can prevent the need for some kind of national divorce if, as a culture, we shift back into the things we value.
mark ousley
But having a parallel economy, if you don't have a unifying spirit or a unifying message that connects you as a country, will actually, I think, spur a national divorce.
It may lead to that.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't do it.
You spend your money where you want to spend your money.
Right?
And people creating options of that within the market absolutely do that.
tim pool
Let's make a movie and music studio in West Virginia and we'll start producing film.
I mean, look, the Daily Wire started making movies and they need to invest as much as they can in that space.
It's very, very hard.
mark ousley
It is very hard, partly because of the ESG of it all.
Because you can't get good loan rates if you don't have a good ESG score.
phil labonte
That's currently in the active situation now?
unidentified
It is.
mark ousley
Yeah, it is.
Because if you don't agree with these, they give you loan rates based upon your ESG score.
Ramaswamy is talking about a lot.
And where he was the first one to come out, I'm really glad that he's in the race.
We talked about Trump and I read Vivek's book, Woke Inc.
Go out and read that book because it really pieces it all together.
But he pieces all of this together and shows you exactly how these companies have injected themselves into government Right.
And this whole mechanism is using to break down the American spirit.
To stop us from seeing what we do have in common by constantly throwing in front of our face the politics of division.
And so I'm glad he's running.
ian crossland
I think Trump did a great thing here, but I know we're kind of off that No, I think when people say left, right, red, blue, that that is the division that is the path to destruction.
Like that's Mao Zedong.
He was like, let's talk about the rightists.
He created a group of society that was on the right.
And that was the best way to divide people.
So I don't like thinking of terms of like, you've got to be in a camp, because as soon as you think that way, you're building a reality that way.
mark ousley
Everything in our market forces right now is pushing us towards that direction.
That's what I noticed.
tim pool
People are choosing.
ian crossland
I don't think it's a direction, though.
That's the thing.
It's like a system that's calculating and wants a certain output.
phil labonte
I want to throw an idea out.
Do you guys really think that it is left versus right?
Or do you feel like the left is really consolidated and it's the left versus everyone that doesn't line up with the left?
ian crossland
It's like a technocratic versus everyone else.
mark ousley
It's a uniparty situation because you have a lot of Republicans out there that pretend to be Republicans when it's convenient for them, and everything they're doing under the radar is right aligned with what the left wants.
Whether you're talking about the 2030 environmental plan that Biden has and the Democrats have had for a long time, you see red state Republicans buying into this on a regular basis while they go out and say, well, you know, we banned abortion, so, you know, that's good, but We're leading the state down the same thing, the same situation that made California, California today.
And that's really frustrating in a red state.
ian crossland
I don't think of them as like red.
I mean, I understand the idea of being able to talk about things in binary, like you're there, I'm here.
Okay, fine.
But we are one in the eyes of God.
All right?
All right?
But I think that sometimes I wonder if my own Our peer group has been brainwashed in the last seven years to think in terms of division, and that just acknowledging the division is the division.
tim pool
I disagree.
I don't care what you call it.
You call it the cult, call it the left, call it the woke, call it whatever.
There's a group of people that are a cult, and that's all that matters.
ian crossland
I see the World Economic Forum being involved in it, trying to manipulate it.
It's like technocratic cultists.
I see that cult for sure.
It's one of many cults.
tim pool
It's Greta Thunberg attacking the United States, but ignoring China and India.
mark ousley
Ignoring East Palestine?
tim pool
Not a single one of these activists showing up to Ohio and saying, this is what we're talking about.
No, they don't care at all.
It's people like AOC making up fake problems and lying about what happened in the Capitol.
It's that video of the dude with the earpiece pulling people into the Capitol.
You see this video?
mark ousley
Mm-hmm.
phil labonte
Heard about it.
tim pool
There's a video of a man with an earpiece and he's grabbing people and throwing them into the building and a woman's yelling at him saying, why are you pulling us in here?
You're forcing us in here.
And he's got an earpiece in.
mark ousley
Did you see the video today that came out with the police officer saying, he was screaming, they set us up.
I mean, standing right outside the Capitol, they set us up here.
tim pool
That's why they didn't want to release it.
mark ousley
Exactly.
The fact that that hasn't made national news is an outrage, right?
phil labonte
I imagine Tucker Carlson will be handling that very shortly.
mark ousley
He should.
Somebody should.
ian crossland
Is that available to watch right now?
mark ousley
It's on Twitter.
tim pool
The issue is, you have a cult.
The cult doesn't care.
The country is split between the cult and everybody else.
And everybody else includes traditional liberals, who consider themselves disaffected, libertarians, conservatives, and even anti-war leftists who are economically left but don't adhere to the established cult.
mark ousley
So how do we unify that group of people?
To avoid the need for a national divorce.
Because if you want to call it the silent majority or just people that don't think they have anything in common.
tim pool
The silent majority are the Biden voters.
Trump supporters think they're the silent majority but they're not.
They're the active, paying attention people.
Most people are not paying attention.
They're silent because they don't care, they don't want to be involved.
phil labonte
Bill Maher video that he put out recently where he likened the woke to Maoists and the cultural revolution in China and acknowledged that there is a cultural revolution going on here.
I think that that is the kind of Impactful video from the kind of person that can actually make the average normie Realize what's going on because your average person?
I think your average person still thinks that communism is bad Generally, they don't I don't I think that but they don't know what communism is when they hear socialism they think Medicare for all when they hear communism they think you know Mao Zedong and Stalin I think that's generally the way that that people react and I think that if people can if you can make get people to make the connection between woke
But kids at colleges screaming in their professors' faces with the Red Guard screaming in the faces of the Chinese professors.
If you can make that connection, that will do significant damage to the woke agenda or whatever If you've not listened to James Lindsay on this subject, you need to go do it.
mark ousley
He has been talking about Mal in the Cultural Revolution for three or four years.
and Michael O'Fallon over at Sovereign Nations have been talking about this for a long time,
and I'm glad that Bill Maher finally picked it up, but it's going to take more people like that to
highlight the exact same process that happened in China in the 60s and the 70s is happening now.
And if we can show them the evergreen, like with Brett Weinstein, the evergreen video,
that opened up my eyes. I'm like, holy crap. So we need more Bill Mahers who actually have
some of the ears and the eyes of the left to bring on James Lindsay, to bring on these people that
really know the subject and can show it to us.
tim pool
This is why I have been harping on building culture more than anything else.
And it's very, very difficult, but that's the path forward.
When I had these industry guys in skateboarding tell me, oh, you better watch out.
If you do skateboarding, bad things are going to happen.
Nothing bad happened.
They need to maintain the fear.
that if we enter cultural spaces we will be physically harmed so that we don't.
Because when we do, uh oh, all of a sudden young people are looking up to us and they're like,
hey that's really cool, I want to do that too. So the biggest threat to the woke machine is all of
us and everyone listening making culture. Performing shows.
Go to a venue, write a song called FJB, and then sing the song on stage at a venue, and just be bold with it and be like, that's how I think, it is what it is.
phil labonte
Write a whole record called Victim of the New Disease about communism!
mark ousley
Can I just say something about this?
Because I've been involved in the arts my whole life, music teacher, all of that.
The organized music education in this country has been completely taken over.
And what people don't understand is that music is the most effective form of propaganda that you can have.
And I use this loosely, but you have people that sing in church together for a reason.
Because when you're all singing for the same message, they've actually done, they've attested this, your heartbeat starts to beat at the same time.
Literally, because you're singing in the same rhythm, with the same sounds, with the same people.
I think it's one of the main reasons they wanted to shut down churches during COVID.
Because, you know, where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am also.
It's from the Bible.
But the arts in this society have been completely taken over.
And when you're talking about the American Choral Directors Association, or the American Band Directors Association, that their whole job is to knit together teachers from
across the country in public and private schools alike, and now they're unifying behind this woke
message, behind this Maoist version of the way that they want society to be, and it's very
scary.
So I would encourage Republicans, if you're listening at all, or conservatives, libertarians, classical liberals, let's get involved in organized arts in the school level.
I think it could be very effective in helping us turn back the woke monster that we're seeing prevailing over our country.
ian crossland
I also want to acknowledge the danger of cults in general, like within my own ranks, within the people.
Like right now, I identify with a lot of people that consider themselves Christians, that go to Christian church in some way.
And I'm looking at Joel Osteen.
Osteen, is that how you pronounce his name?
You know, this guy's a mega church pastor or preacher.
He made like $54 million last year.
mark ousley
Don't get me started on that.
My parents came out of that situation where it was the name it, claim it, word of faith movement.
And they are crooks.
I mean, they're crooks because my father had nothing.
My mother had nothing.
And they would give over their last, not to their local church that could help them, but they would hand it over to Kenneth Copeland or Joel Osteen or whomever and say, well, I've done my part and the Lord's going to give me a new car.
And they died with nothing.
They died with absolutely nothing at a young age, because they were putting their faith into something that was just a mile wide and an inch deep.
And so they're crooks.
I'm a Christian, but I have something very visceral against people like that, that take advantage of poor people through their faith.
I think it's what led us into the woke movement as we know it today, is that kind of belief.
ian crossland
Part of what made Jesus irate as well from the stories is the people trying to profit off of the message.
And it's tax-free.
It's tax-free because it's a religion.
Joel can take their money and he doesn't have to pay taxes on it.
mark ousley
It's complete... I mean, what an abuse of... And they walk into his church expecting to get something of depth.
And what they get is a nice, you know, frou-frou, oh, I feel good as I leave, kind of television church show.
And they get nothing of depth from the Christian faith in that.
And it has done... I think it's done as much as anything the left has done.
To put people down the disaffected road with Christian values, with some of the values that our country was founded on that actually helped keep us strong.
So I'm right with you on that.
I have nothing good to say about the Osteens.
ian crossland
Yeah, that brings a lot of people from, if you want to call it the left, to the right.
The reason is when people are willing to acknowledge the flaws in their own faith, that the business that has erupted around their faith, that's like people that aren't even involved are like, wow, maybe this person is actually cogent.
tim pool
I think there's a simple distinction between Christianity, for instance, and wokeism, in terms of ideology.
Oh, of course.
One seeks... With Christianity, there is something beyond you as a human being and beyond everybody.
With wokeness, you're God.
It's you.
You are owed things.
The world must change for you.
It's yin-yang, almost.
It's the belief that there is something greater than me, and so it's not about me.
And then there's the woke side, where it's, I'm owed and I deserve.
mark ousley
Well, again, go listen to James Lisney, what he's talking about Gnosticism, right?
It's a hermetic, it grabs a hold of a faith, whether it's Christianity, Islam, it doesn't matter what it is and it infests it to a certain extent and turns it, the doctrines and everything, towards what its political motive is.
phil labonte
It wears your ideology like a skin suit.
mark ousley
Exactly.
And so, go listen to James Lindsay and what he's talking about Gnosticism, because what you're describing there is exactly what he's talking about.
ian crossland
That's the Malthusian.
I like that.
I actually identify with that kind of thing.
Like, I am God.
There is a God beyond me, and I am God together.
We make God.
Jesus was God!
Yet there was God without him.
mark ousley
But you're not Jesus.
It's different.
Yeah, it is different.
ian crossland
It's very much the same.
God flows through us.
It animates our bodies, so we are part of it.
mark ousley
But when you start looking at yourself as somebody who can be on the plane as God, then you have nothing beyond yourself to search for.
And therefore, the only thing that matters is what you care about in the moment.
And that's what James has been talking about a lot, is that if you see yourself as a version of God or as on equal par with God, Then you're automatically just going to completely divorce yourself from anything natural in the world.
You're going to say, well, if I feel like a girl, I am a girl, right?
And if my son says he feels like a girl, then he is a girl and I'm going to make him into one.
That's what it turns into.
If you see yourself as that level of deity.
ian crossland
Yeah, it doesn't end there.
It doesn't end with, I'm God and therefore I control reality.
It's, I am God and God is.
I am.
It's both.
If you can't maintain both thoughts at the same time, you're doomed to chaos.
You've got to understand that you're part of it.
mark ousley
But the minute you start thinking of yourself as God in any form, Then you've lost the plot, I think, because there's a God and then there's you.
ian crossland
Would you say that to Jesus Christ?
unidentified
Absolutely.
ian crossland
If he's sitting here, are you telling me he's lost the plot?
mark ousley
Well, Jesus Christ, I believe, was a different situation, right?
I mean, he was divinely inspired, he was here for a purpose, and then he left, right?
He died on the cross for our sins, and then he rose again, and then he said, this is the faith that you need to be saved in the afterlife and beyond.
But he didn't say, hey, and you can be Just like me, you're the only begotten son of God, too.
No, he said, you are one with me, but you are not me, right?
You must live towards a goal.
You're never going to be perfect, right?
But striving for perfection is what makes life worth living.
Making the mistakes and then repenting and then doing better the next time is what makes life worth living.
But just seeing that no matter what I do is right because I'm God, that's a completely different thing.
tim pool
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The only difference between what we used to do and what we're doing now is that you can watch as we record.
So before we would record it, then upload it.
Now we'll just live stream it, and then it's boom, there forever for you to watch.
So hang out live, you can chat.
We're setting up a Discord so that you can not only chat for the members-only live show, but even call in.
We can do a voice channel where you can actually talk to the people on the show.
It'll be a lot of fun.
And like with radio, I imagine we're gonna be telling a lot of people, you gotta turn the computer down.
We're getting echo, we're getting echo.
phil labonte
Alright!
tim pool
Hillbillary Clinton says animals and crops are dying in East Palestine.
And it's due to the government releasing chemicals and trying to be covert about it.
Now will you finally say MK Naomi?
unidentified
I don't know, what does that mean?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
Naomi Wolf?
MK Naomi?
tim pool
No idea.
mark ousley
Say it.
Say it.
Say her name.
unidentified
I did.
mark ousley
All right.
tim pool
Smoking Man Vibe says, I bet Biden knows the Cavs, but ask him about Ohio and he knows nothing.
He is such a liar.
Isn't that right, Ian?
ian crossland
I'm sorry, I was just reading about MK Naomi, dude.
It's a CIA research program.
Have you heard of this?
Chemical warfare program.
From the 50s to the 70s.
I'm sorry, what was that last super chat?
Was that directed at me?
tim pool
Says, I bet Biden knows the Cavs, but ask him about Ohio and he knows nothing.
He's such a liar.
Isn't that right, Ian?
ian crossland
Yeah, well, he loves Ohio, but don't ask him about it because he'll tell you he doesn't know anything about Ohio.
Not a lie, though.
unidentified
Not a lot.
tim pool
On Second Thought says, which is harder for Joe elected Biden?
Stares or a complete sentence?
Answers please.
mark ousley
Yes.
tim pool
And then a bocus emoji.
A little bocus emoji.
ian crossland
If you guys want to see a little bocus tonight?
I was thinking about bringing Bucko up a little late night.
tim pool
A little bocus on the show?
ian crossland
Yeah, I'll go grab Bucko.
I'll be back.
tim pool
Powder PZ says, he had balloons tied to his gun and Biden shot the balloons with missiles from an F-22.
That explains it.
The balloon story was because it was carrying the weapon there.
NomBizzle aka James says, I watch in the a.m.
at work, gets me through the toughest part of my day.
As a letter carrier, I just wanted to say I wore my SSJ Trump shirt today before I knew Trump was going to Ohio.
Awesome.
The Super Saiyan Trump shirt we made.
Yeah, kama gama ga.
I went to an A.I.
and I was like, Donald Trump going Super Saiyan.
And it's Trump yelling, ah, and his hair is.
Very nice.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Okamihoro says, do everyone an actual service by covering where the individual is shot.
This fact matters a great deal.
In the chest.
mark ousley
That's right.
tim pool
Copper Lobo says, Norfolk Southern Railroad is owned by Vanguard, Blackrock, and J.P.
Morgan.
Yeah, but like, to be fair, they own everything.
mark ousley
That's true.
tim pool
Brandon Hampson says, Tim, in regards to the unalive case, you're missing the obvious.
The guy shot himself with a ghost gun.
Redwing Blackbird says, did Kurt Cobain have connections to the Clintons?
Yeah, that explains it.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark ousley
Yes.
tim pool
Bobcat says, Gary Webb or Danny Casolaro?
Granted, most journalists who investigate the CIA mob DOJ trinary tend to commit suicide in impossible ways fairly often.
And they do because the alphabet agencies want you to know that they can say whatever they want and make it obvious.
mark ousley
It's a warning.
tim pool
That's right.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
TNT4U says, Tim, come on, man.
The $500 million isn't coming from our tax money.
It's just being printed for future generations to pay for.
Technically, it's also just being extracted from your buying power, from your savings.
So when they print money and then give it to Ukraine and they buy stuff with it, You work hard.
You put money in the bank.
The government then just fabricates money to give to someone else.
They don't work hard.
They spend it on war.
But that money gets spent back in the United States causing inflation and your ability to buy things for your hard work goes down.
It's an invisible tax where they're extracting your hard work and you don't see it happening.
That was the trick.
One day some dude said, listen, if we go to all the people and tell them to give us a dollar, you know, they're gonna get really angry.
If we just make the dollars, we extract from their labor, because their debt is the guarantee for this money.
Meaning, the fact that you're willing to accept these dollars in the first place, means the money has value to somebody else.
And then the more we flood the market, the more we extract from your buying power based on your labor.
So you're giving your money away, but you don't see it happening.
And that's how modern monetary policy works.
We got, oh, he just ran under the table.
You got a bocus.
What's he doing?
He was sleeping.
You woke him up.
Well, you got to close the door.
Where'd he go?
phil labonte
Yeah, he's down here.
tim pool
He's just standing there doing bocus stuff.
We're gonna need some bocus emojis in the check.
You want to get him on the table?
You got him, Mr. Bocas?
unidentified
I'll bring him up.
tim pool
No, he's not having it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Lord Lucas Ward says, Where is the bloody UFO?
Ian with a one roll.
Oh, there's Mr. Bocas.
Wow, he's looking real good.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's he's been dancing around.
tim pool
Hopefully those stem cells have been.
ian crossland
I brought him on last Thursday.
I think it was shortly after he'd gotten an ejection.
So he was exhausted that day.
But this is I mean, he just woke up.
phil labonte
He's looking alright.
mark ousley
Well, I was listening to the Daily Wire morning cast on the UFO situation, and they were saying that they had an explanation for all of these supposed UFOs that the Pentagon was, you know, calling UFOs at the point.
You know, one was from like a bottle cap company, like where they were just putting up a balloon or something like that, but they had an explanation, and none of them had to do with, you know, aliens or anything like that.
But they were, sure enough, very cryptic in the moment.
While all this stuff in East Palestine was going on to make you think oh, it could have been a UFO We got all the bogus emojis in the chat.
ian crossland
They love you bucko.
tim pool
There is you just sitting there doing bogus stuff He's ruling the table right now.
We were told he'd be dead in a week.
mark ousley
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then we got him medicine, hormone treatment, fluid injections.
It was very expensive.
And now he's getting stem cells and he seems to be, uh, he's, he's getting a little thicker.
He was really gaunt.
He was fading and now he seems to be coming back.
I think.
ian crossland
Gained about a half a pound, half a kilogram.
tim pool
Half a pound.
ian crossland
It was a fourth of a pound the first week, then 0.02 kilograms the second week.
I measured him lately.
tim pool
I think the stem cells might be working.
I think the hormones in the fluid probably helped.
One of the reasons for the weight loss may have been the anemia.
So, you know, we don't know how much longer he'll have, even if his treatment is working, but the stem cells may be what give him a few more years.
phil labonte
He's a long cat.
mark ousley
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, dude.
tim pool
Yeah, Mr. Bocas.
ian crossland
Legit.
tim pool
All right, what do we got here?
Austin Brown says, Podcast of the Lotus Eaters has been showing the absurdity of the UK situation.
A million plus a year coming into a country the size of New York State.
David Toronto says, so Tim, we should leave them in Florida, Texas, etc.?
No, my point was Texas should have the right to deport people.
It's that simple.
Texas and Florida should deport them back to their home countries.
There you go.
How's it going, Mr. Bocas?
What are you doing?
mark ousley
Thirsty.
unidentified
Thirsty.
mark ousley
But what is preventing them from just doing like California does and ignoring the federal law on it?
tim pool
Letting them in.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, the issue with deporting is that it's an issue for another country.
Yeah, Texas can't talk with I think you got to put a little bit more water in there.
No, he's got it.
Oh, yeah, he's thirsty.
Does he still drinking a lot of water like crazy?
No, because that was that that was a sign that his kidneys were failing.
He kept drinking water.
ian crossland
I think the new food has offered him better hydration.
tim pool
When he was, even with the new food, he was drinking water like crazy.
I think it's the stem cells.
ian crossland
And he's still getting fluid every other day.
Shout out to Kim.
I mean, it's, this is a, it's a, it takes a tribe to raise a young one like this.
Kara has been doing a fantastic job with him too.
He absolutely loves her.
tim pool
All right.
Pat Meadows says, did Biden observe ash Wednesday?
Yes, he did.
mark ousley
Yes, he did.
tim pool
Yeah.
He had the, uh, the ash on his forehead.
mark ousley
I thought it was a bruise from him falling down, but it was the ash.
tim pool
Falling off.
mark ousley
Oh, falling off.
unidentified
Sorry.
phil labonte
Biden's ashes were made of burnt, uh, cremated babies.
He needed abortion.
Aborted babies.
tim pool
Brado Jacko says, open borders cannot work with a welfare state, election corruption, and zero social cohesion with no understanding of American civics or the Constitution.
Agreed.
He's really jamming his face in there.
I think he needs more water.
Yeah.
Get it, bucko.
unidentified
Oh, that looks good.
Oh, he's a thirsty friend.
tim pool
Matt McCartney says the Constitution does not apply to anyone in the country.
A tourist or non-resident immigrant can't buy a gun here under any legal circumstances.
The Constitution absolutely 100% does apply to anyone in the country.
The fact that they don't let people buy guns means they're infringing on your rights.
But it does.
There have been numerous Supreme Court cases about the Fourth Amendment and the First Amendment and basically all the amendments.
The Constitution applies to everybody.
It just means that at this point they're infringing on almost every element of the Constitution.
phil labonte
The Constitution is a list of no's for the government.
It doesn't tell the people that they're not allowed to do stuff.
Exactly.
All right.
tim pool
Ryan Ellis says, Cali will never turn red.
I deliver medication to halfway homes and dementia hospitals.
They let those people vote.
Guess who they vote for?
California was red up until what?
mark ousley
1988 was the last time it voted for a Republican.
George H.W.
Bush.
But there's a systemic method that they use to turn it what it is today.
And the scary part about that is I see the same thing happening in Oklahoma right now.
What is it?
Where you have, it starts in the universities where you have this, in Oklahoma they have what's at OU they have what's called the strategic research verticals.
where you have the university with a plan to build public-private partnerships
beyond the walls of the university to create or to push an agenda
that really lines up almost point by point with the WEF.
And right now it's all around ESG.
And what they do is they start implementing programs like for example, in Oklahoma,
they're doing criminal justice reform.
Well, there are some good parts about that, but what the left sees is, wait a minute,
now there's a red state we can go to, right?
That's cheaper to live and import a bunch of Californians from California and Oklahoma,
and all of a sudden you just start turning the state blue.
And then you just start giving more and more people more subsidies, more government assistance.
And over time, over 30 years, you end up having California.
That's kind of what happened.
Chris Rufo covered this before he started covering CRT about how there was kind of a flag that they threw up saying, Hey, look, Homeless people come here, right?
What they did in San Francisco, what they did in LA.
We're gonna build you low-cost housing.
Almost nobody lives in that low-cost housing.
It's still sitting there, right?
And lots of people made money off of building it, but all the homeless came there, right?
And they get, you know, free food, they get free cell phones, they get all these other government assistance, and they vote!
Because people go out and hand them the ballot and then grab it and bring it in and turn it in.
And that's what you're starting to see little by slowly, especially like in the college towns in Oklahoma.
And it's designed to spread out.
And I've been trying to warn people there, guys.
All of these things that sound really good, that weaponize your empathy, that this is to help people, isn't always exactly what it seems.
So, we should watch it.
tim pool
Yeah, y'all should watch Yellowstone.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Because some people are like, don't spoil the show, don't spoil the show.
Okay, I won't spoil the show.
But a lot of this stuff plays a role in the show.
The simple version is, you've got people who are from Montana, which there's, you know, the joke is no one's from Montana.
And then you have people from New York and California who are liberal elites with lots of money, who use it as a playground.
And there's conflict.
mark ousley
Well, and in Oklahoma, they just brought in Google.
and gave them charge over collecting data for the state, you know, with chrome pads and things like
that. So it's a hairy scheme because you get a lot of money, you get a lot of that tide that
raises all ships, but the tide seems to be really like communist red. Normies Get Out says, look at
tim pool
the liberal states that get blasted by the Supreme Court for violating the Constitution and their
They just change the law slightly and reapply it and rinse and repeat.
That's right.
When they shut the churches down and the courts, I think it was a court in New York, said, hey, you can't do that, they went, okay, I'll just issue a new executive order doing the exact same thing and then you'll have to sue me for that too.
Phil is hanging out with Mr. Bocas over there.
phil labonte
I'm popular.
Mr. Bocas.
tim pool
Mr. Bocas is enjoying himself.
All right, where we got?
Lepardi says, convention of states to throw California out.
Yes, a convention of states where the, what is it?
What are we on?
Amendment 28?
California is no longer a member state of the union.
Bye.
unidentified
Someone was saying... That's better than a full national divorce.
ian crossland
It might have been Thomas Massey.
We had a politician on and I was asking about national, or not national divorce, but convention of states, because I keep thinking like that's a solution.
That's a way forward.
And I was warned, he warned me that it could be weaponized.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
It needs to be... Now, I don't know the details.
You can follow at COSproject on Twitter, and they have all the deets about the progress of the effort for a convention.
It has to be limited in scope, and the delegates from the several states have to abide by that.
So if something is brought up that is outside of the scope agreed upon, everyone has to get up and leave.
or something to that effect. There are ways to put guardrails on it.
I'm not the expert that can tell you the details about it, but yes, it is definitely,
I mean, it's an extreme measure. We have, you know, even to amend the Constitution is actually
fairly extreme because the amendment process is intentionally rigorous.
It's not supposed to be easy to do these things because we have states that have the capacity and they're empowered to pass laws for the several states.
Each state can make basically whatever law they want.
To make an amendment to the Constitution is supposed to be a big deal.
The fact that people say, oh, you know, we should just do this or just do that, the federal government should do that.
All this stuff is outside of the federal government's initial charter.
The things that the federal government is empowered to do are listed in the Constitution.
The things that the federal government is specifically prevented from doing are listed in the Bill of Rights.
And then any changes are in the amendments that follow the Bill of Rights.
They're supposed to be hard because of the way that our government is supposed to protect the individual rights.
mark ousley
But the administrative state has taken advantage of that.
Absolutely.
Vivek Ramaswamy has said that he wants to have an eight-year term for people in the administrative state.
You know that if you serve eight years, you're done.
phil labonte
I like that.
Term limits for politicians is not as attractive to me as term limits on bureaucrats.
Exactly.
mark ousley
You should not be able to work in a three-letter unconstitutional apparatus for that long because you will amass power just by being there for that long.
And so I really like that idea.
I think that's the direction we should go.
phil labonte
I had not heard that, but that is, to me, seems like a far better idea than the idea that you get rid of politicians every, you know... Well, I think you should get rid of them both.
mark ousley
I mean, I think you should have term limits across the board, but you shouldn't be allowed to camp in the CIA, the FBI, the IRS for all of these years and amass power and push your political agenda under the radar.
There should be an apparatus where the president, I mean, the president can't even fire a lot of these people, which is ridiculous.
phil labonte
That's ridiculous.
mark ousley
You know what I mean?
But at the very least, let's have a constitutional member or a law or statutory law that says your eight years are up, you find a new job.
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Disobey says the Fed offered all of the state several million to expand red flag laws.
Kansas was offered 2.6 million.
I wonder if this is part of Biden's plan to help with the spill.
ian crossland
Oh, interesting.
Yeah, I can see that.
But they would want some sort of, like, red flag thing.
They're like, we give for you, you give for us.
But see, they're in a state of disaster right now, so that should be no good pro-pro.
mark ousley
Well, that's the perfect opportunity for them to take advantage of it.
unidentified
It's crazy, crazy.
That's like... All right.
tim pool
Merrick Miller says, Don't eat any What Chefs Want products in Colorado.
They are ordering employees to perform illegal and unethical policies and procedures that are a threat to public health.
Interesting.
Not familiar with that.
Hillbillory Clinton says, but Biden says you can't have weapons like us.
Planes and nukes are what people would need in a civil war, otherwise you would be conquered.
Guess I'm paraphrasing, but it's close.
Yeah, and maybe he has an answer for, I don't know, Vietnam or Afghanistan.
Yeah, because the reality is an F-22 can't occupy a street corner.
phil labonte
A lot of dudes named Mohammed in Afghanistan are like, yo, I think you're wrong, man.
mark ousley
Yeah, and now they have all of the American equipment.
unidentified
Thanks for the night vision, bro.
tim pool
Hillbillary Clinton says again, how much do I have to donate to your machine for you to notice me?
Which machine?
What are you talking about?
ian crossland
I notice you.
mark ousley
We see you.
unidentified
That's right.
ian crossland
Hillbillary.
mark ousley
Hillbillary.
phil labonte
I like the name too.
tim pool
Hillbillary is a good name.
Nval90 says Ian needs six more Chaos Emeralds to go supersonic.
ian crossland
Okay.
Okay.
I've got emeralds downstairs.
You know what?
I will bring an emerald up tomorrow.
That's a good one.
tim pool
I always thought it was funny that in Dragon Ball Z, the brown-eyed, black-haired dude, when he became super powerful, super, he turned blonde and he got blue eyes.
phil labonte
Racist!
tim pool
No, no, for real, like, what was up with that?
And then Sonic was the same way.
When Sonic went Super Sonic, he would turn gold, and it's like, okay, gold, I guess, but, like, Goku in Dragon Ball Z is like, I'm gonna become really powerful!
unidentified
Ah!
tim pool
And then his hair turns blonde and his eyes turn blue.
I'm like, there's something weird about that.
phil labonte
It's just like Aryan Nation.
tim pool
Yeah, something weird about that, huh?
They all do it.
phil labonte
Naruto is from Japan, right?
Yeah.
Ah, it's leftovers from the war.
tim pool
But Naruto's not Dragon Ball Z. They don't go Super Saiyan in that.
phil labonte
Okay, my bad.
tim pool
In Naruto, he just, like, the nine-tailed fox spirit powers him up.
phil labonte
So is Dragon Ball Z made in Japan?
tim pool
Dragon Ball Z is Japan, yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
And the funny thing is, anime in Japan is like, man, I can't remember what neighborhood I was in, but they have like big billboards and art of Goku and Lupin the Third and other characters that have been around since the 70s or 80s.
To them, their cartoon characters are like movie stars, almost.
But I guess it's also kind of like Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck.
The crazy thing, though, is in America, our famous cartoon characters are, you know, like, what is Mickey Mouse famous for doing?
Like, driving a steamboat or something?
And then Donald Duck complains about a lot of stuff, I guess.
Their cartoon characters are famous for, you know, like, flying, like, saving planets and, you know, doing martial arts.
Or, like, I guess Lupin the Third was a thief.
Yeah.
mark ousley
Well, our more modern cartoons like X-Men and things like that, but I guess they were comic books first.
tim pool
But we have Mickey Mouse everywhere.
mark ousley
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
They have Goku everywhere.
Goku is like flying around beating people up.
You know, he's a good guy.
He's not a bad guy.
You know, he's beating up the bad guys.
But Mickey Mouse isn't doing anything like that.
Mickey Mouse is just going, oh, whatever that's all about.
phil labonte
Japan's so awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a cool place.
ian crossland
Have you been there before?
tim pool
Yeah, I was there.
phil labonte
Good.
tim pool
They have whack-off stores.
unidentified
Yeah, they do.
ian crossland
What, we do it in the store?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You go in the store, and then they have, like, a variety of objects and towels, and you go into a room, and it's, like, the weirdest thing I've ever seen, but it's, like, a normal thing in Japan.
mark ousley
Reminds me of Idiocracy, where you get a latte.
tim pool
You don't even understand what, like, Japan, they're freaky deaky, man.
phil labonte
It's weird.
Yeah, I was in Japan in 2011 at the earthquake.
unidentified
Whoa, really?
phil labonte
Yeah, I was on CNN.
They interviewed me and stuff, yeah.
Oh, so you were in a deep state.
What?
ian crossland
Alright, Bucko's had enough for the night.
I'm gonna say goodbye.
unidentified
Mr. Bocas.
tim pool
You ready, Bocas?
You ready to go?
unidentified
And Monster Bogus is off.
mark ousley
You know, I've never been in an earthquake, but I was in the deep south in about an hour from New Orleans during Katrina.
So yeah, it was rough.
tim pool
All right, let's see, we got Audio Somatic says, hey, I just saw Jordan B. Peterson and Everett Washington on the 19th.
He announced a new group he is helping to put together that is going to combat the WEF.
Look into it, please.
I think we've talked about it, but he wants to do it in London.
It's like, why London?
I don't know.
It seems like a bad place to do it.
mark ousley
It does.
tim pool
You know, like, Charlestown, West Virginia seems like a good place to do it.
And I'm only half kidding.
It would be very convenient for me if you did it here.
But you've also just got West Virginia.
It's the second most MAGA country, MAGA state in the country.
That seems to make more sense.
phil labonte
What's the first, Florida?
tim pool
Uh, no, it's, uh, Oklahoma.
mark ousley
It's gotta be close.
tim pool
No, I think it's Wyoming.
Wyoming was the most Trump-supporting state.
Yeah.
Uh, Tyler Price says, Naruto is also blonde hair and blue-eyed, LMAO.
That is true.
Naruto is blonde with blue eyes.
And then, I guess the Elric brothers had, like, reddish eyes?
Yeah, they were blonde, though.
And their dad's name was Hohenheim, so literally it was like a Germanic name.
It's so weird.
I never understood that.
I'm like, why are Japanese people making all these shows about... And then you get Attack on Titan, and it's all German.
serge du preez
Literally.
tim pool
Yeah.
serge du preez
The buildings and everything.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's kind of weird, you know?
Are you trying to tell us something?
serge du preez
I don't know.
mark ousley
World War II?
tim pool
Caleb Genra says, North Dakota pumps a million barrels of oil a day, or used to.
Why does North Dakota only get one house seat?
We're an energy powerhouse, plus we grow food.
Well, it's called leverage.
phil labonte
You should probably leverage it.
mark ousley
Yeah, population.
phil labonte
That's why.
mark ousley
The badlands.
tim pool
Because Reason says, I'm not suggesting anyone is famous, however if you were, and some people on the show are, how do you stay humble?
For no reason.
Well, Phil, how do you stay humble?
phil labonte
I try not to think of myself as different from anyone else.
I mean, I'm very much a normal dude.
I do normal dude things.
Like, I don't do, like, rock star things, really.
I mean, I don't drink.
I don't blow lines.
I don't I'm not into meth.
ian crossland
Did you used to be like a crazy rock star?
phil labonte
I used to drink too much.
Actually, this month is five years.
It was five years on February 14th since I had my last.
Sip of booze.
But yeah, I quit drinking because drinking, it didn't do anything positive for me anymore.
There are so many reasons I stopped drinking.
I can't even begin to get into them.
There was literally nothing good that came from drinking and more bad things than I could ever list off.
mark ousley
But I can imagine beating something like that or stopping something like that.
It does help keep you humble because you saw yourself in the worst possible position.
unidentified
Oh yeah!
mark ousley
Like falling down face flat in a gutter.
That'll humble you.
phil labonte
Oh yeah.
I tell you what, there is nothing that humbles you more than waking up and being like, Oh God, I did say it!
tim pool
So, someone chatted, I don't know if there's a super chat, someone chatted, Edward Elric had blue eyes.
Yes, Super503Dank says, the Elric brothers both had blue eyes, which is weird since you know they're dead.
No, they don't.
The Elric brothers have yellowish, hazel eyes, I guess you'd call it.
Yeah, I, you know, yeah.
But, you know, whatever, I'm being pedantic.
mark ousley
I'm colorblind, so I'm really triggered by all this.
tim pool
Japanese people really like this concept of when you become powerful you get blonde hair and blue eyes.
That's all I'm saying.
I don't know why.
phil labonte
I don't know why.
tim pool
What's that all about?
phil labonte
Nervous.
Dalton says... Disavow.
tim pool
Dalton says, do you think the military, majority Republicans, are willing to fight in a war Biden has made a point to happen?
I think U.S.
military folk will get out.
Draft time.
Yes, perhaps.
I don't know, though.
ian crossland
It's a hell no from me, bro.
mark ousley
I don't think that the... Well, Steve Dace, just the other night, said absolutely no.
ian crossland
I think Steve Dace said it best.
I haven't heard someone speak out against a war like that since like clips of dudes in Vietnam.
mark ousley
I just had my first daughter and my first child, and I can't imagine.
I'm right there with him.
You know, I'm not sending... Especially our daughters.
I mean, come on.
There's no way I'm sending anybody to fight and die over there.
phil labonte
I think that the Biden administration intends or would intend on Ukrainians doing most of
the footwork and doing essentially the same thing that they had done in Afghanistan for
the last four years of the occupation.
Special forces, some direct action guys, but mostly Ukrainians and then drones.
mark ousley
And then lots and lots of materials.
phil labonte
Yep.
mark ousley
Lots of materials.
Military industrial complex.
phil labonte
Yeah, because that's profitable and it keeps the population in the US happy because you
don't get a lot of body bags.
So you get a bunch of dollars that get pumped into all the states because of the way that
the military industrial complex has broken up the production of everything.
The F-35 is made in like every state in the country.
Every state has a part that they make.
And they do that with all sorts of different products that the military-industrial complex It sounds like sustainability.
The WEF, right?
Well, they spread it across the country because congresspeople are like, oh, I want to get a little piece for my district.
So they go ahead and they have the production of stuff spread across the country.
You have very few Americans coming home in body bags and stimulating the U.S.
economy by pumping money into it all across the country.
It's a win-win.
War is a win-win for the government, especially modern war.
mark ousley
The University of Oklahoma's explicitly, in its strategic research vertical, says that aerospace and defense, and specifically having to do with weather, I don't know exactly how that works, but it's invested deeply, heavily, and this is a public, state-funded university.
ian crossland
Or like controlling the weather to destroy your opponent?
mark ousley
Or, you know, individual carbon footprint trackers, right?
phil labonte
Well, yeah, because then they can tax your carbon.
They can prevent you from doing things in the real world because you've used up your carbon.
You've used up your allotment for carbon.
And it could be, whether it be Everyone gets a large amount or more than likely everyone's going to get a very, very small amount.
And if you have a social credit system that's going to be connected to your carbon usage and they can basically have a digital gulag where they keep you locked in your home or locked in your 15 minute city and you're not allowed to go anywhere.
You're allowed to, but you can't get anywhere.
mark ousley
Or you can't charge your electric car.
phil labonte
Yeah, because you can't have enough carbon.
And what'll end up happening is that people will figure out ways to sell carbon credits, and there'll be a black market for carbon.
I guarantee that, because big companies are going to have carbon credits that people will figure out ways to siphon off.
There'll be a whole new economy selling carbon to people that have lots of money, and it'll still be rich people doing whatever the F they want, while the middle class gets decimated, there'll be fewer in the middle class, and the poor are going to be stuck in the pod.
tim pool
All right, we'll read one more here.
Clef the Misfit says, Akira Toriyama has said the reason Goku and others in Dragon Ball Z are blonde as Super Saiyans is because he got sick of coloring in their hair.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
I believe it.
I believe it.
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mark ousley
Yeah, follow me on my YouTube channel at UnwokablePodcast.
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phil labonte
It'd be cool.
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Check us out.
We do fun stuff, play metal.
tim pool
It's sick.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Ian Crossland, what's up, everybody?
Follow me at iancrossland.net if you want to.
Mark, that was really fun.
mark ousley
Yeah, man.
ian crossland
I like talking about theology.
mark ousley
Yeah, it's fun.
ian crossland
And God, that's very much enjoyable.
mark ousley
You should come on my show and let's talk about it.
Okay.
ian crossland
Let me know when.
Hit me on Twitter or something.
I will.
And the UFO, in case you're wondering, is here and will be spun in the future.
We just had a little bit of fun with it.
Who was that yesterday we had on there?
serge du preez
Wheezyfbaby.
ian crossland
The one and only.
Anyway, this is an aquamarine in case anyone's wondering.
It's refracting the light from below.
Thought it looked pretty cool.
All right, see you later.
serge du preez
Yeah, we've been putting interesting things on the UFO thing, so I'll take credit for that.
Sorry, Ian.
ian crossland
You win.
serge du preez
Yeah, I'm at surge.com on Twitter.
Oh yeah, Phil has motioned to me to say tomorrow we will be on the Pop Culture Crisis podcast.
Yeah, yeah.
It'll be fun.
That'll be during the daytime.
I think it's like 2 o'clock?
3.
3 o'clock Eastern Standard Time.
Check us out there.
See you guys later.
tim pool
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