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Timcast IRL - James O'Keefe Video LEAKED, CONFIRMS He's Been OUSTED w/Steve Deace
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James O'Keefe, a former military veteran,
was a member of the United States Army
and served in the United States Army
for over 20 years.
He was a member of the United States Army
and served in the United States Army
for over 20 years.
He was a member of the United States Army
tim pool
for over 20 years.
James O'Keefe has given a speech to
I guess the staff at the Veritas offices
confirming that he was removed from the CEO and from the board.
He entered into the office and removed his personal belongings.
That's what the reports are saying.
And Project Veritas has released a statement accusing him of what appears to be financial malfeasance.
Which I do not believe for a moment.
And one of the things they complained about, Project Veritas, the board, I guess, accusing James, was that he used money for, like, funny dance videos or events or something like this.
And they called it, like, him misappropriating funds.
Well, I want to make sure I'm using the specific words they used, but I'll just put it this way.
I like that Project Veritas does dance events.
I like that James O'Keefe is this figure, is this character that brings life and a bit of levity to the work they do.
And apparently that's not good enough for the board, so for this reason they've removed him and are now, I believe, lying about what's going on.
Look, man, James O'Keefe is the founder and CEO of Project Veritas.
He's done tremendous work.
The idea that Veritas can exist without him is laughable.
And so, we're going to get into this.
There's a lot to go through.
Apparently, on Twitter, they've already lost around 140,000 followers.
People are just ditching, saying, no way.
Several major media figures have come out saying, I'm not going to support Project Veritas.
So, we'll talk about that.
Plus, we've got some other interesting stories.
Marjorie Taylor Greene has officially called for a national divorce.
Okay, I mean, there's an interesting conversation to be had, one that we've had quite a bit, but, you know, you guys ready to drink Civil War, I guess?
I don't know how you get a member of Congress saying national divorce.
This idea is expanding, okay?
And more and more people are talking about it.
And I know people think that a national divorce is some kind of peaceful thing, but I don't see how it can go any other way than Civil War.
But hey, maybe it won't be Civil War because the other thing we talk about a lot is World War III.
Zelensky says that if China and Russia team up, it's World War 3.
Meanwhile, like, I don't know, everybody else is already saying, yo, it already started.
50 to 100 years from now, when we're all living in rubble and nuclear wasteland, we'll be like, it all started with the Ukraine and Russia.
No one's going to be waiting until Russia teams up with China.
So we'll get into all that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Steve Dace.
steve deace
Happy to be here, man.
I've heard a ton about your show.
I've seen a lot of your episodes, especially in the last 24 hours.
Everybody warned me you guys like to do snotty gotcha questions.
I freaking love snotty gotcha questions.
ian crossland
Why did you wear that shirt anyway?
steve deace
Exactly.
Because you wear plaid to hopefully distract people from everything else that you visually bring to the table.
See, anything you do to try to corner me, I will put myself down even more.
So I'm ready to go.
tim pool
So for those that don't know you, who are you?
ian crossland
What do you do?
steve deace
I work over at The Blaze.
When I was growing up, one of the most coveted TV slots you wanted was after Cheers.
That's where Seinfeld debuted, NewsRadio debuted, because After Cheers was on, I mean, you're going to have to really suck not to hold the audience, right?
So I get to do the show at The Blaze after Glenn Beck, right?
So it's really hard to not be successful.
You just, you know, just try to hold on to as much of his audience as you possibly can, and I'm barely hanging on.
And so they were dumb enough to sign me to a contract extension for another three years back in January.
tim pool
You pulled a fast one on those guys.
steve deace
I did.
Or no one else wanted the gig.
One of the two, yes.
tim pool
There you go.
steve deace
Yes.
tim pool
Right on.
All right, this should be fun.
So thanks for joining us.
unidentified
You bet.
tim pool
Have a blast.
We got Hannah-Claire Brimlow hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should definitely follow TimCast News on Twitter and Instagram.
They are excellent platforms to get your news from, as I've heard.
tim pool
I just want to point out, I think it's funny that you're wearing an American flag under your sweater and behind you.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes.
That's the wood one.
This is the knit one.
I just want you guys to know that I am definitely from America.
Don't question it.
ian crossland
Aren't you Canadian?
unidentified
By birth?
hannah claire brimelow
I was born here.
Stop questioning my anchor baby life.
ian crossland
I got problems.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
And one of them is the military-industrial complex.
Maybe we'll talk about that tonight.
Steve, also writer, director, or I guess director?
steve deace
Producer.
ian crossland
Producer as well.
Executive producer of Nefarious, upcoming?
steve deace
Comes out in theaters on April the 14th.
You can go to the website whoisnefarious.com.
We actually pulled it off.
We made a right-wing horror film.
They said it couldn't be done, or maybe no one's ever actually tried it before.
We, I think, pulled it off.
We showed it to some of your people earlier today, and man, I got some really cool feedback.
So whoisnefarious.com is the website, and if you're gonna let me shill, then we've got a brand new book out, Rise of the Forthright Confronting COVID Fascism with a New Nuremberg Trial.
So this never happens again.
We fashioned this book like a mock Nuremberg trial.
We have witnesses.
Everybody's on the record.
We have every interview recorded.
Whistleblowers from the Department of Defense, healthcare sector, people whose family members were medically kidnapped or allowed to die in hospitals, denied of treatment.
This book is going to blow your freaking mind.
And if you were not already paranoid, if you were not already pissed, okay?
If your blood was not already clotting, it'll be boiling when you read this book.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
All right.
We got Serge pressing the buttons.
serge du preez
Yo, what's up everyone?
Serge.com.
Ready to start when you are.
tim pool
Let's jump into this first story we got us from TimCast.com exclusive video.
James O'Keefe tells Project Veritas staff, I've been removed from CEO and board.
I have been stripped of my authority as CEO and removed from the board contrary to what any public statements may say.
He gave, I think it's like a 45, around 45 minute speech and an anonymous source provided this video to us.
We uploaded it on YouTube and published it and James basically lines out, he says, throughout my 13 years here, our mission has evolved from simply being about exposing the truth with help from some hidden cameras to something more transcendental, giving people hope.
He says, as I was going through this process, I reflected upon my appreciation for so many of you.
What makes us great is that we do this work because we believe we have a passion and a flair for storytelling.
He gave a big speech.
I recommend you guys listen to the full 45-minute speech.
I can't break the whole thing down in only a few minutes, but there are some things I want to point out.
The article says, Tim Kast's news has also been provided with board minutes regarding O'Keefe, which included an indefinite suspension without compensation.
And the funny thing is, maybe if we could, I think, it gets cut off right, here we go.
This is an image that we received.
Indefinite suspension of Mr. O'Keefe as CEO without compensation.
Well, that's strange.
Didn't they say before that it was paid time off?
Now we can see here in this document, it's not paid time off.
There's more.
In this image, I think this is, I believe it's something different.
Let me pull this one up.
Indefinite suspension of Mr. O'Keefe from the board pending the results of the two-dimensional audit.
So here's what we have.
I mean, so I just want to show you.
Here's the full video you can find at YouTube.com slash TimCast.
I don't know if it was uploaded anywhere else.
I believe the video of James giving the speech was leaked to a bunch of different news outlets.
And I will say this.
People are not having it.
Project Veritas on Twitter is currently down 133,349.
Let's refresh and just see what happens if it's the same.
Yeah, 133,585 followers have unfollowed them on Twitter.
And we have this statement from Veritas.
Take a look at this.
Yeah, 133,585 followers have unfollowed them on Twitter.
And we have this statement from Veritas.
Take a look at this.
This is where I get the most offended.
Here are a few examples of what has been uncovered so far by PV leadership.
Here's the first thing I'll say.
James O'Keefe is Project Veritas.
He started it, he's the one who paid the prices for it, and I assume most people are donating for him to do what he does because they believe in him.
They say, $14,000 on a charter flight to meet someone to fix his boat under the guise of meeting with a donor.
Sorry, I just literally don't believe it.
That just sounds like nonsense.
And here's the other thing I'll tell you.
If James didn't do the right thing, or he tried to by starting a non-profit, if James just did a private corporation and said, donate money, it's not tax deductible and I can do whatever I want with it, nobody would bat an eye at James O'Keefe getting a private jet.
Not that I believe that he would misuse funds this way.
Here, look at this one.
$60,000 in losses by putting together dance events such as Project Veritas Experience.
ian crossland
That, I disagree with.
Those are not losses.
Those are some of the most memorable Project Veritas Experiences.
tim pool
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, also, doesn't Turning Point USA put on all kinds of dance events stuff for students?
Like, if nonprofits lost money on one thing but made it up in a different area, that's okay, right?
Not everything they're going to do is going to be financially successful, even if ultimately it works out to be in the green.
ian crossland
Yeah, these show different dynamics of James and the crew, the people that he's working with, that it's not just some stodgy news organization.
I think it enlivened a lot of young people to get involved because he's also an artist, like a dancer.
So I think that was fantastic use of funds.
tim pool
The story I was just telling Ian, we did an event in New York with Minds, and James O'Keefe was there, and there's a side stage area, it's kind of like backstage, and there's a group of, there's a bunch of people getting ready to go on, and I see James and I'm like, James, do a moonwalk!
And then the whole room breaks aside, and everyone stands there as James O'Keefe moonwalks perfectly through the side stage.
That kind of thing, in my opinion.
I know, maybe it's silly, but that is not a loss.
When James was doing these videos, he was making a character of Veritas that was something more than just a hidden newsroom that sometimes posts viral clips.
It was giving character and personality.
This is ridiculous.
I'm sorry, man.
ian crossland
It sounds personal because if this was about money and he cost the company a couple hundred thousand dollars, him leaving and all these people leaving, like these are the hardcore donors that are leaving the last 13, 130,000 people are the people that are going to throw 10 bucks a month at Project Veritas.
That's 1.3 million.
hannah claire brimelow
The donors already filed that cease and desist letter, right?
They said, we want our money back if you are getting rid of James.
We gave because of him.
And so therefore, if he's not there, then this is not the organization that we gave money to.
ian crossland
Can they get their money back?
Is that legal?
hannah claire brimelow
I have heard some organizations do it, other times not.
I'm not an expert on it.
It's uncommon for people to be able to donate money and then take it back.
But it would go to court, I assume.
ian crossland
It sounds personal.
It sounds like some people really didn't like the way James was doing it.
Or if it was about money, then they made a really stupid fiscal error in removing James because he's a moneymaker.
steve deace
To me, there's two consequences of this that I think kind of even transcend what your own views are of James.
And just to go on the record, I think it could be argued Project Veritas is the most, and has been under his guidance, the most important information outlet in alternative media in the country.
Going back to their origin, their genesis with Acorn and things of that nature.
And I find it fascinating, as the guy that just wrote a definitive book about COVID fascism, that somehow all of these issues somehow immediately have to come to a head after they just did the ultimate sting operation on the demons over at Pfizer.
The timing of that, I find, incredibly not coincidental.
tim pool
And just real quick, James, he says this, The only thing that changed was the biggest story in their history with over 50 million views.
And he said it's like a 10x increase over their other biggest stories they've done.
steve deace
So let's set aside him for a second and your views of him and just look at running an organization and leadership.
I own my own company.
I own my own show.
You own your show.
We have employees.
We have organizations.
I've been a part of presidential campaigns, corporations.
Here's the reality of those ecosystems.
Number one, I hope they have lawyered up because by them even claiming these things in disclosures, not that frankly the Biden feds need much of an invite anyway, they just do it on their own, but they've essentially begged for a full audit of all their books from the feds to come in and say, oh okay, you guys have disclosed this, then let's see what else is under there and see if we can just finish your organization off while we are at it.
And then number two, though.
Let's play devil's advocate for a second.
And let's say there is some merit to maybe he wasn't kind.
That was their previous story, right?
He wasn't the kindest boss.
Now the story is some form of malfeasance.
Let's say there's a root of truth to them, just for the sake of devil's argument.
You don't take the star quarterback of your team.
After he just won the friggin' Super Bowl, and decide that now's the time you want to have a conversation with him about being a kinder, gentler, better teammate, and being a better steward of the team's resources.
He just won the Super Bowl, man.
Hand him the trophy, let him take pictures, and celebrate that.
There were times before that moment that you could have addressed these things, and there's times later in the off-season when there's not as much eyes, there's not as much pressure, where these kinds of things can be addressed.
This is, as you said, Ian, it's either personal or the oversight and leadership and guidance of this board is every bit as culpable, if not more so, of what they claim James is guilty of, even if he's guilty of those things.
How come no one stepped in before this?
How come no one said, hey, you know what, now given we're at a next level here, the level of eyes that are on us, the level of pressure that's on us, we've got to make sure we're even more diligent than we ever have been before.
No.
Suddenly, out of nowhere, he gets his biggest score in the history of the organization, and now suddenly we want to have a human resources review?
That is some really crappy leadership on behalf of that board, even if they are telling the truth.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think those are all great points, especially since Project Veritas, as far as I know, has their nonprofit status in New York.
And to get out of New York, you're at the will of the Attorney General, which New York has one of the most activist, liberal attorney generals, Letitia James, in the country, in my opinion.
I mean, it puts them in a terrible place as an organization.
If the mission is so important, why would you do that?
And to your point too, like, Every circus needs a ringleader and James O'Keefe is this circus's ringleader.
To kick him off when you are kind of building this huge momentum off of the Pfizer thing seems like... It's hard for me not to think that there is something that James was about to do that the board didn't want him to.
That's not financial.
tim pool
James should file, I don't know, what do you think, LLC.
He should immediately create something new, and it should be a for-profit corporation.
And people need to understand, a lot of people think non-profit means charity and goodness.
It certainly does not.
A lot of these companies exist to enrich people.
They could be tax havens.
Some of these biggest non-profits that you've heard of will have a 98% administrative cost ratio.
It might have to be at least 90%.
I don't know.
They may have changed laws.
But this means that when you give a dollar, 90 cents goes in the pocket of the administrative
staff and 10% or less can go to the actual cause.
And I've worked for a lot of non-profits and I've seen some that do 50-50 and even that's
considered really bad.
Some good ones will brag and be like, 80% of your donation goes to the actual cause
and the administrative costs are a reality of doing business.
It just basically means that if they're like, save the dogs, 80 cents goes to actually rehoming
a dog and 20 cents is paying the managers to file the paperwork to rehome the dogs.
But when you see one of these big non-profits and their ratio is like 90% administrative, yeah, that means almost none of your money is actually doing any charitable work.
So here's what I would say.
James should form a new company and it should be a for-profit corporation, which means it won't be tax-deductible.
But there are enough people who support Project Veritas that he need only say, for 10 bucks a month, you get James O'Keefe's premium behind-the-scenes, director's cut commentary on our stories and our views, and the news is always free.
So not too dissimilar from what we do with like, here's the free show.
I think he'd make even more money, and he'd then be able to, without question, Wanted to get a private jet to go get his boat fixed?
I gotta be honest.
James deserves to have a private jet to go get his boat fixed, considering the risks he's taken to himself.
I don't think he actually did that, though.
That's ridiculous.
It's like, oh, I'm going to meet a donor.
Better have the company book me a private jet.
That's ridiculous.
ian crossland
So... Well, maybe he met with a donor who wanted to donate to Veritas and did, but also took his boat taken care of, and the same donor also fixed his boat.
Who knows?
tim pool
But this is the thing, too.
Like, one of the claims they made, I guess, in these internal documents is that he used the money... Do they have that here?
Let me see if they have it here.
Something about, like, a wedding or something.
Like, he used the money to pay for his wedding.
And it's just like, he's not married, you know?
And apparently, it was a venue used for a corporate party.
They're just taking things and twisting it to accuse him of doing things that are wrong.
But I think, Steve, I think you put it perfectly.
I would be more willing to believe this if, privately, a board member hit me up and was like, look, we're trying to figure this one out, what should we do?
To boot him from the company abruptly, to then publicly accuse him of abusing employees, and that note said, some of the signatories of this letter have not witnessed or experienced any abuse, Now they're coming out after the donors refuted that saying, well, he was misappropriating funds.
It's like, okay, you're lying.
It's a coup.
hannah claire brimelow
You're just making stuff up.
It's also interesting that, you know, he's off Project Veritas, the nonprofit that we know about, but then he's also off of their political action committee, right?
There's the project, I don't remember what it's called, but it's 501c4, which they're allowed to participate in political campaigns right as we're going into an election year.
And who do you think it's like the most dangerous asset to anyone in politics right now?
James O'Keefe, because he has such a reputation as an investigative journalist.
I mean, to take him out of the organization right now, to me, it's deeply suspicious.
ian crossland
I care a lot about James' health.
And like, just personally, I know him.
I like him a lot.
And I'll spend times like being afraid for my friends sometimes and being like, I don't want that person to get hurt.
I felt like that about Obama, too.
I was almost like, please don't.
Don't go against the deep state, Barack, because they'll kill you.
But then what happened was he just didn't go against the deep state and played ball.
But I think James is just a guy, and the organization that he created is an organization of hundreds of people, I don't know how many people, and they're all, from what I met at Project Veritas, those people are fantastic, and they do incredible work.
tim pool
I think it's like 65 or something.
ian crossland
65 people.
I mean, they're putting their lives, essentially their livelihoods, on the line by exposing corporate corruption.
hannah claire brimelow
And they can't come back.
Once you take this job, it's not like you can go back into the field you were in, right?
ian crossland
A lot of them are undercover, so you don't know who they are.
Those people hopefully can assimilate back in, but you know, if you're going to put your face on the movement.
But I think it's important not to put all the weight of this entire thing on James.
He's part of it, and he will continue to be part of the movement, whether or not it's with this company or another company.
But I think it's the time to take the heat off James now.
Veritas will continue, and it'll continue to expose corruption.
And if they are corrupt, they'll get exposed.
tim pool
I don't know.
I don't agree.
I think, Steve, you nailed it.
Them coming out publicly and announcing financial malfeasance is...
steve deace
Ask yourself, there's an old adage in sports, you never want to be the guy that follows the guy, you want to be the guy that follow the guy who follow the guy, right?
So the organization just got rid of its founder and its face, and there really wasn't another face because as you guys have pointed out, everybody else that has done public work has done it undercover.
So he is the only known face of that organization.
Who would right now, given the amount of heat that that is taking right now, on top of the open invite they literally just hiked up their skirts and said that the feds were open for business we showed all the leg we've got all the way to the panty line who wants to walk in there and say yeah i think i want to take that i want to i want to take that uh dutch door action i want to get screwed on the way in and screwed on the way out i'm gonna i'm gonna take over for a guy that's a legend to his base and then at the same time
Yeah, the people that just hired me opened up and invited the feds to come in for an investigation.
I think that is probably a pretty small list of people.
ian crossland
Take a look at this, only Elon Musk.
unidentified
I think Elon, no, it's kind of a joke, but geez, that's something Elon would do.
ian crossland
Send me in.
Burning does not hurt.
tim pool
They announced Elon is the new CEO of Veritas.
Look at this.
Year revenue in 2020, Veritas brought in $22,034,000.
I can only imagine with this Pfizer video.
Here's what I think.
It's the money.
And I'll tell you why.
Some people are like, I think Pfizer came in and did something.
I'm not so sure about that.
That would be bad PR-wise.
Like, you don't want to pour fuel on a fire of a story by... There's a story of these activists who were protesting outside of a McDonald's, saying McDonald's was bad.
McDonald's sued them.
Won.
And then their stock tanked.
Because the news reporting was that massive corporation attacks two private individuals.
Pfizer's gotta be like, everyone's cheering these guys on, if we go after them it's gonna hurt us, let's ignore it.
Here's what I think.
In 2020, take a look at these numbers.
In 2019, Project Veritas brings in $12,151,496.
One year later, they nearly double their revenue to $22 million.
How much money do you think is gonna come in now that they had the biggest stories, this biggest story ever in the history of Veritas?
I can only imagine they're gonna hit 40, 50 million.
Okay, maybe I'm way off with that.
ian crossland
40 was my first thought.
tim pool
40, right?
Now imagine you're on the board.
And you're like, guys, look how much money we have.
I could never have... And then James says, we are not using the money for what you want.
We are going to use the money the way I see it, and we're going to do the mission.
And I don't think the board members necessarily are thinking I'm going to stuff my pockets, but they're saying something like, let's use the funds to build a new building, and we can start doing this and that, and we can put a gym there.
And then James is like, we're going to do this, we're going to do this, we're going to expose this.
You've got to get rid of... This is what I said when we first got word that he was suspended.
If you want access to the cash, you've got to get rid of the ideological founder who's standing in the way of that big pile of money.
Now for them to come out with a new excuse that you is misappropriating funds, it's projecting.
It's what we typically see from these leftists.
steve deace
They accuse others of... They've got board members posting their pronouns in their Twitter bios.
tim pool
And accusing someone else of malfeasance.
hannah claire brimelow
And how do board members get on boards?
They donate to the organization, right?
So if you had a year like this, and again, I used to work in fundraising.
The top amount of money comes from a very narrow number of donors, typically, right?
So I think, yes, they have really great grassroots support, but there are probably a couple new donors who saw the work they have done and said, I am willing to really either scale up what I'm giving or I'm willing to give a huge donation for the first time.
Now, that's a threat to all the other board members, right?
They are potentially going to lose their position if they are now competing with these other high dollar donors.
I think that this is a sketchy thing to do, especially when your organization is doing so well, has this big story out, unless you personally feel threatened.
tim pool
It seems like James is intimating.
It's Pfizer.
He said, the only thing that has changed is that we broke the biggest story in our organization's history during the last week of January in 2023.
With 50 plus million views, our video became a global phenomenon.
He then goes on to add more context and says, that is the only thing that has changed.
Then suddenly, an unusual emergency happened just a few days after the story, he continued.
And then he says, on Thursday, February 2nd, I was informed by an officer of Veritas on the phone, while en route to the airport, that he would resign unless I stepped down as CEO.
steve deace
Ken, I want to address the Pfizer connection.
I got a question on my show over at The Blaze today.
Someone asked me, what would be Pfizer's incentive to produce a product, or any product, that could potentially be harmful to its customers?
When its customers are, you know, are people in need of health care.
You and I aren't Pfizer's customers.
Governments are.
No one within the sound of my voice paid for a COVID vaccine.
Governments paid for all of those.
You're not paying for Pax Lovett.
tim pool
I know some people who did pay for it.
They were doing like $100.
Yeah, yeah.
steve deace
But in general, governments are... You're being pedantic.
I know, but governments, and that's all right to be exact, governments are the clients.
What he put out with that video didn't put heat on Pfizer.
They're indemnified going back to 1986, further under Reagan, further indemnified by the PrEP Act under Trump.
The heat's not on them.
That hay's in the barn.
They've cashed all those checks.
The heat is on governments.
People aren't calling Pfizer after they watch those videos.
They know that nothing happens calling Pfizer.
God bless, there was a group of New Yorkers over the weekend that did a rally in front of Pfizer, speaking my love language, chanting Nuremberg to Adam, and that's my love language, but that doesn't do any good.
The governments are the clients.
Israel let Pfizer essentially experiment on their population for an entire year.
That's what our government did.
That's what almost every major government in the world did with Pfizer and Moderna.
They let their people be the real-time human trial, in real time, in public.
And so when he puts that video out, The horse doctor, Al Borla, at Pfizer, he's not sweating it.
Governments are.
tim pool
The horse doctor?
steve deace
Yeah, that's what he was!
He was a horse doctor!
And so the veterinarian at Pfizer is not sweating it.
The governments are.
The governments are still somewhat, depending on what your views of elections are, somewhat still accountable to their people in ways that the corporation at Pfizer is not.
And that's a whole new layer of heat.
And it's not just our government.
People around the world, guys, watched those videos and said, hey, do you guys know what's going on with excess deaths in Germany right now?
They're higher right now than they have been in the entire time of COVID-19.
They're higher right now in Germany, 40% higher than normal.
That's higher than they were at the peak of the initial wave of COVID in 2020.
How do we explain those things?
His video opens up that entire Pandora's box for all these governments.
tim pool
We'll slow down and go back and address a lot of this stuff.
What's the name, Albert Borla?
steve deace
Albert Borla.
tim pool
And he was literally a horse doctor.
steve deace
He was literally a horse doctor.
tim pool
But hold on, hold on, hold on.
You're not being cute.
unidentified
No!
tim pool
He actually was treating horses specifically.
steve deace
Yes!
So when they tried to tell you that ivermectin was horse-paced, no it wasn't.
Ivermectin's a Nobel Prize winning drug from 2015.
It was repurposed for animal use because of how effective it was for humans.
We do that with a lot of drugs, by the way.
A lot of our human antibiotics are repurposed for animals.
He was actually a horse doctor.
They're always guilty, guys.
They're always guilty.
They're always guilty of what you accuse you of.
So Trump's compromised by a Russian p-tape.
It turns out Hunter Biden is literally filming his Compromont videos with Russian hookers while they're accusing that of Trump.
They're always, always guilty of what they accuse you of.
tim pool
That's actually interesting, because we often talk about the Ukrainegate, how they accused Trump of doing what Biden actually did.
steve deace
Yes!
tim pool
But the p-tape thing actually is a good point, too, because it was Hunter Biden.
steve deace
Yes!
And now it's horse pace, but he's actually a horse doctor.
tim pool
I wanted to point this out, because I don't know.
A lot of people probably don't like Rick and Morty, but the mom in the show, Beth, is a horse surgeon, and they make fun of her calling her not a real surgeon, and she gets really offended by it, and it's just fun that this guy is a horse doctor.
He's not a real doctor.
He works on horses.
But I don't know.
I just wanted to bring that up anyway.
But here's what I think.
I was going to have this question for you a few sentences ago.
You talk about Nuremberg, your book, Rise of the Fourth Reich, and all that.
We've had a lot of libertarians come on the show and talk about, I don't know where you end up on the economic scale or whatever.
I'm not entirely convinced that this is a problem that is completely free or could be solved by laissez-faire capitalism or just straight capitalism.
I think this is a problem of it.
I think what happens is, as much as I prefer, you know, capitalism over say like a socialism, don't get me wrong, I do think there's still an issue here.
And of course the issue, let me slow down and walk through this because I understand government is a problem in this one.
Here's the problem we face with solving an issue like this.
Government mandates things because they're lazy, inept, evil or otherwise.
Some are ideological and think now's our chance.
We have, you know, lockdowns are good for the climate and things like that.
Others are panicked and say, Well, my people are screaming, do something.
They don't care what I do as long as I do something.
Then along comes a big pharmaceutical company, who you mentioned correctly, the governments are the customers.
The government says, this is it.
I'll take public funding, we'll buy products from this major pharmaceutical, and then it looks like I did something.
The major pharmaceutical says, we don't care, we're immune, and we have guaranteed government contracts.
So it's a perfect storm of government cronyism, government corruption.
steve deace
You're describing fascism, of course.
tim pool
Right.
And ultimately what it is is the lucrative merger of corporation and state.
steve deace
Elites in the public and private sector, the classic definition of fascism.
tim pool
But what I see culturally, governmentally and in the corporate system, I don't necessarily believe is definitively mustache twirling villains who are trying to destroy the planet.
I know we've had many conversations about population reduction, about how, you know, the New York Times, I think, I think it was the Times wrote that the lockdowns, the planet's healing now and that maybe we need climate change lockdowns.
steve deace
They literally use the line from Avengers Endgame when Captain America says, well, you know, after half the world was disappeared, the animals are back in the Hudson.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
But I kind of just feel like It's more like a Jackson Pollock painting than something as precise as Rembrandt.
It is quite literally the chaos of our cultural decay, the system itself breaking down in every different area that we've got, cultural collapse, corporate and governmental collapse, that results in nobody wanting to take responsibility for the hard decisions and just saying, path of least resistance and leave me the F alone.
And so we get all of this mess.
steve deace
I think it's all of the above.
I think that, first of all, The number one issue at play here is the spiritual and moral decline of the West, and you are watching a level of spiritual darkness and malevolence.
We had a private dinner with Tucker Carlson out in Iowa this summer.
When he came out to emcee an event for us and one of the questions we asked him was, hey, what happened to the bowtied, smiling libertarian who was friends with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC and CNN and thought, frankly, people like us, you know, these dreaded, you know, Jesus freaks that we were the death knell of the Republican Party and we're going to be the reason why y'all never won any elections.
How did you become our favorite talk show host?
What happened with you?
Because this isn't the same guy that was on MSNBC 20 years ago.
And he said something I thought that was very profound and I think really does sum up the era in which we live.
He said, you know, I'm a kid.
I grew up in Georgetown, Tucker said.
My dad was a GOP operative.
Everybody I was around were political, you know, kids of politicians or political operatives.
We trick-or-treated together.
We hung out together.
We went to school together.
We did Christmas together.
I could see why someone might think Medicare and Medicaid might be the best way to help a certain disadvantaged Group of people even if my ideology doesn't agree, but I don't think that causes me suspicion about your motivations He says what's happened in this current era in America and really throughout the West is decisions are being made that no one truly Benefits from like we can disagree vehemently at you know ideologically about affirmative action
But somebody is affirmatively benefiting from that, even if we think that the overall collateral damage doesn't justify it and you disagree with that, there is someone benefiting from it.
No one benefits from kids being sent off to the island of Dr. Moreau for meatball surgery.
No one's benefiting from that.
No one's benefiting from the stuff that we're talking about right now.
And he said, when I analyzed this as a kid who just grew up in the traditional political process, and I see people and I go to my liberal friends and I'm asking, why are you guys doing stuff like this?
And they suddenly don't have answers, but they're just going to do them anyway.
He goes, that's when I just had to realize that there's a level of spiritual darkness at play here that's the only thing I can explain When this level of nihilism, and that's what you just described, Tim, a comprehensive nihilism, whether it's people's crave and greed, whether it's they've given themselves, another group has given themselves over to Malthusian ethics at a nihilistic Nietzschean level, okay, of depopulation, whether it's all of those things, whether it's stupidity, whether it's complacency, pour all that stuff in a cauldron, add a little dash of newt and an eye of bat,
Okay, and a cup of water and boil it together and pour it out, and what you see is systemic decline of a civilization, and that's what we're living through right now.
ian crossland
How do we reinvigorate spirit?
Like, Jesus tried, but they just killed him off and made a religion out of him, and they're like, worship him now!
And it's like, dude, he was trying to wake people up to God.
How do we Anytime I've seen in the past, people try, they get co-opted, and cults get made out of them, and then they just... the war machine moves on.
The Roman Empire started a church.
steve deace
Well, here's what I would say.
No one remembers almost any of the names of the Roman war machine.
Everybody still remembers Jesus' name.
We mark time, by the way.
We mark time.
Human civilizations mark time by the birth and death of Christ.
The most attended worship event of the year in human civilization for going on a second epoch is the marking of the resurrection of Christ, followed only by the marking of the birth of Christ.
So I would argue his legacy is very intact.
Those people like me who believe that he is God, that he was resurrected, and the testimonies that we have of the changes that have gone on in our lives, and then we have gone on and helped other people and do things that are beyond our normal capability so we don't give ourselves over to the nihilism that Tim talks about, I would argue his legacy is intact.
All the people that put him to death, they're all in the ground.
All right?
Nobody cares about any of them.
But Christ is still exalted and hailed and worshipped 2,000 years later.
So I think his legacy is in really good shape.
tim pool
I want to pull up this tweet from Marjorie Taylor Greene.
She says, we need a national divorce.
We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government.
Everyone I talk to says this.
From the sick and disgusting woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrats' traitorous America Last policies, we are done.
John Stewart says, but we get to keep the name, right?
And then Nicole Pearl Roth says, cool, California can keep the tech, AG, livestock, Georgia can keep their infant mortality, incarceration rates, and the country's lowest wages.
I find it interesting.
Yeah, you can see it.
It's down here.
Michael Malice... I love this topic, by the way.
He posted, the case for American secession from Observer, why it's time to disunite the United States.
Marianne Williamson, did she just call for civil war?
Does she know what happened the last time a few states said they wanted to leave?
It's a funny thing for Marianne to say, because like, yes, the Confederates did say, hey, we're going to leave.
And then the Union was like, no, you're not.
And then sent troops down.
So, the funny thing is there are many people left.
Sarah Silverman, I think, she said this a while ago, didn't she?
Said something about a national divorce.
ian crossland
I know she has talked about it in the past.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know about Sarah Silverman specifically, but it's definitely something that comes up.
So I want to Google it.
University of Virginia did, they have a Center for Politics, they did this poll last October, and they found that like 50% of Trump supporters are in favor of a national divorce.
Yes, Sarah Silverman did say, maybe we should break up and divide into like two or three countries.
So this is a really, really great example of why we probably are headed towards a national divorce.
that both political parties seem to hold, which is kind of wild.
tim pool
Yes, Sarah Silverman did say maybe we should break up and divide into like two or three
countries.
So this is a really, really great example of why we probably are headed towards a national
divorce.
The fact that Marjorie Taylor Greene, two years, okay, actually I think to be fair,
was it September?
September.
So a year and a half.
After Sarah Silverman calls for this, Marjorie Taylor Greene calls for it, and now liberals are angry.
How dare you say something that Sarah Silverman said a year and a half ago?
hannah claire brimelow
It's actually bipartisan, right?
It's bipartisan!
tim pool
And not only that, Marjorie's led to the party.
steve deace
To me, we absolutely need a national divorce, which is why it'll never happen.
Because, first of all, as we just discussed with the James O'Keefe story, we can't have nice things in the era in which we live.
But I think What we're up against won't let us go.
You're dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses that have tanks, all right?
The same thing that has the Jehovah's... Do you ever have the Jehovah's Witness come to your door on a Saturday?
And it's always on the best weather Saturday of the year.
Every time.
It's like they plan it.
Always.
tim pool
It may just be that they only go out when it's nice out.
steve deace
That could be it too.
And see, now I'm the guy that pushes back because I'm just that kind of douche.
And so I will ask them questions like, so let me get this straight.
Only 144,000 are going to be saved.
Oh yeah.
Well, I googled it, and there's four million of you.
So maybe y'all need to settle this argument amongst yourselves before you bug the hell out of us on a Saturday.
hannah claire brimelow
I had a Jehovah's Witness tell me once, well, only that many will be saved, and they've already been selected.
And I was like, so what are we doing?
steve deace
Then leave me the hell alone.
tim pool
Leave me the hell alone.
steve deace
But it's that level.
It's Lyndon LaRouchian.
I'm in an airport hangar.
Holding up signs about Margaret Thatcher 20 years after she's dead.
Level of zealotry that the spirit of the age, that these sorts of statists, and who am I talking about?
These are the people that put their pronouns in their bio, and before they had that, they had the Ukraine flag in their bio, and before they had that, They had their vax card in their bio, and before they had that, they had their mask in their bio.
Let me show how virtuous of a lemming I am to the spirit of the age, to the state.
That level of zealotry isn't going to let you walk away.
They're here to fix you.
They're here to fix you.
And if you don't think you need to be fixed, you will be made to care.
And the only reason the tanks aren't rolling yet is because you all own about 400 million guns.
If you didn't, the tanks would be rolling already.
tim pool
Well, they're working on that part.
steve deace
Yeah.
And so they're not going to let you... She's right when she says that.
But any society that really needs that would not be able to accomplish it either because the divisions that exist, both sides are not going to agree to peaceably walk away.
When you come to the brink, when you're about to ruin as much freedom, liberty, and prosperity as this country is about to flush down the toilet, that only happens because the forces that have pushed us to this brink are on some—you use the word cult, I use that in my show a lot—the level of cultic zeal that says, to hell with all those things!
I have to win this argument no matter what.
You cannot reason with that.
That level of zeal will not let you walk away.
tim pool
Let me ask you, how many countries have the freedoms guaranteed that we have?
Like the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, freedom of speech, how many other countries?
steve deace
As enumerated and itemized as us, I would argue none.
tim pool
Probably.
I think it's probably close to none.
I think maybe Liberia has something similar because it was created by Americans or something like that.
Not that it's really working out for them to be completely honest.
But I have to wonder then if It is a good thing for these bad people to see the U.S.
break apart because it would remove one of the only true free or close to free as we can get societies.
And look, the U.S.
has its problems.
It's not completely free.
There's still tribalism.
There's all these issues.
But man, I've been to some of these countries.
Been to countries where the cops will just kill you and that's it.
The world is not... Look, I'll say, watch Yellowstone.
Have you seen that show?
I've been watching it recently, so I'm gonna use it as analogies non-stop.
But in this show, they just kill people.
You're in Montana, you're in the United States, but you're still in the Wild West, and they just kill people.
Right?
You go to other countries, the whole country is the Wild West.
You're in a city, watch the videos out of Brazil.
You ever see these Brazilian videos?
Dude's chillin' in like a grocery store and someone walks in with a gun and they start shootin' at him and then it's motorcycles pull up and jump out and rob you and then people start shootin' at each other.
I know we have those things happen here too, but it's not that bad.
We often think things are way worse than they are, and some things are worse than other countries, don't get me wrong, some countries are nicer, but I'm not going to sit here and act like Sweden because of its lower crime rate is better than the US, when the people in Sweden live under a boot and are scared to speak up and losing their jobs because their whole country is woke.
The United States has a lot of really awesome things going for it, but we're losing it, and if people don't speak up, it's going to become bad.
Now, as it pertains to national divorce, I think The challenge is, you know, someone super chatted that too much blood and treasure was sacrificed for this union, and that's an interesting point.
I know Michael Malice, I know Luke Rutkowski, they talk about national divorce, and the issue I have with it is, in the end, it benefits those who seek to subjugate the world, because at the very least, it would split the territory of freedom in half.
If the country breaks apart, then we know the blue states go full Canada, and then there's even less freedom in the world.
ian crossland
It would be the greatest breeding ground for limited war the world had ever seen if the U.S.
were to split in half.
It'd be one side would be communist, Chinese-funded, and then the other side would be the remnants of the United States or something like that.
steve deace
How is that any different than what we have right now?
ian crossland
Well, bomber planes would be dropping bombs on Tulsa, Oklahoma, you know, like just annihilating cities in the name of justice.
steve deace
What you explained there a second ago Ian is why people want it and then why I think we can't achieve it.
We got people want to rattle sabers with China.
What would a war between the US and China ultimately decide?
The language the social credit system will all eventually go to is in.
That's really what we're fighting for.
That's what it is.
There would be no higher principle other than, do you prefer Mandarin?
Do you like Chinese hieroglyphics on your social credit score?
Or do you want it accessible in English?
Because every major cultural institution in this country either is already owned by the Chinese or aspires to be like them.
And so we're already in the dynamic that you described.
That dynamic exists now.
But the end result of seeing it play itself out would also result in what you are concerned about.
We are headed there.
That's unavoidable, unless you start seeing great awakenings.
Where do we have liberty in America to begin with?
It's not a coincidence you had great awakenings, spiritual revivals, that then led to liberty in the country, all right?
And that's why John Adams said, Constitution's only for moral and religious people.
You can't have limited government with people they think their character has no limits upon it.
They'll then eventually think I can do whatever the hell I want, and then make you pay the bill and the freight for it when it blows up in my face.
That's what we have now, called a welfare state.
So eventually, we're going to either see revival, like we saw at the dawn of the country, or you're going to see the end of the country, and that's the path that we're on right now.
This is a point of no return.
hannah claire brimelow
What does revival look like in a modern sense?
Like, is it a return to patriotism?
Like, how would you see symptoms of revival?
Patriarchy.
Yeah, I love patriarchy.
steve deace
Well, it has to begin with an acknowledgment of the God that our rights come from.
Do we believe in God?
That, to me, when Chesterton said America is the only country ever founded on a creed, that's really what he meant.
That our rights come, and he was observing this as an English theologian, a British theologian, observing, you know, basically their offspring and how it had taken off after the Revolutionary War period.
And that was his observation, is that America took the notion that rights come from God, the laws of nature and nature's God, and therefore they're not bestowed by governments, and therefore governments don't have the ability to take them away, and governments are just as accountable to that same God as the people that rights come from.
Now we have civil rights, we don't have individual rights, we have group rights now.
We don't have a justice system based on restitution anymore.
That's what stuff like eye for an eye in the Bible means.
It doesn't literally mean eye for an eye.
It means what you have taken from someone else must be taken from you or you must restore it.
There must be restitution.
We don't have that now.
Now you've committed a crime against society.
Everything is centralized.
Everything's collectivist.
We see this in health care.
That's why we had COVID fascism.
Because Obamacare ended the last vestige of the patient provider relationship left in America.
Men will pay for pap smears now.
You're all on a community rating now.
Everybody's a unit now.
Everybody's a file.
I mean, if you... Dude, go back and listen to Bob Seger's I Feel Like a Number from like 40 years ago.
That's freaking prophecy on where we are right now.
ian crossland
Californication by the Red Hot Chili Peppers is really about wokeism.
That's what Californication is, is wokeism.
He was singing about that in 2003 or something.
tim pool
What was his reference 40 years ago?
steve deace
Bob Seger's Feel Like a Number.
Go Google the lyrics for that.
It'll read like a prophecy of 21st century America.
ian crossland
One of the problems of us all having rights given from God that we founded the country on, except for those people, those savages, they're not even human.
They weren't even human to those people.
They killed the Native Americans and slaughtered them, and the black people were three-fifths of a human in the eyes of God, according to the founders.
So like, yeah, we say it's God given us rights, but like, obviously the history shows otherwise.
We slaughtered 90% of the native population.
We didn't consider them human.
I mean, the people didn't even consider them human at the time, which is like the most abhorrent thing in the eyes of God I can imagine, is that humans would consider another human like a dirty animal non-human and then kill it and say it has no rights.
So how do we justify now?
tim pool
Here's the challenge, I think, Ian, is that everybody projects.
And one of the big mistakes people make when it comes to any kind of historical conquest is the projection of your cultural values onto cultures that no longer exist or have deeply different values.
So I find this interesting in history.
The idea that all humans are sound morally and that we should agree with all of their ways of life.
Like, you know, the Aztec notoriously would sacrifice people, rip their hearts out or whatever.
What do they do, they put them on an altar and then cut their head off?
ian crossland
Kind of open with obsidian?
tim pool
Yeah, and while they're alive and things like that.
So you've got to understand that even deeply religious, I mean like the colonial Europeans were deeply religious and probably very zealous in terms of their beliefs, but imagine how you would feel as this like Somewhat liberal libertarian type modern man watching a bunch of people drag a screaming woman upstairs and then jam her in the chest with obsidian and cut her open in front of you.
You wouldn't be thinking these are good people.
You'd be thinking these people are animals.
Oh my god.
I mean, not literal animals.
You're saying that in a derogatory sense, like, what is wrong with these people?
I'm not saying every Native American population was that way.
I'm just saying, what happens is, young people today look around at this society that we've built through blood and sacrifice, blood and treasure for, all of the death fought along the way, the Civil War itself, how many dead Union soldiers to preserve this Union, ultimately leading to the end of the Civil War.
Not that it was the exact intention of the Civil War, but that was a big component of it.
And then they say, look at this and say, All societies must have been this way, and the conquest of such must have been wrong.
And it's like, dude, like, that group of people was going around murdering kids and raping women non-stop.
Yeah, we all agree that was a bad thing, and they got conquered.
You know?
ian crossland
Are we at the point of history where conquering and destroying is not the way forward now?
Like, are we truly there?
steve deace
Oh, no.
No, I think that's still happening.
It's done differently.
You're living in a post-Christian America now, and really a post-Christian Western civilization.
So what will come next?
Exactly what preceded Christendom or Western civilization?
The Dark Ages.
That's what will come next.
Now these dark ages, the good news is you won't have to worry about dying a bubonic plague because rats are crapping in the street outside your home, okay?
And that's getting into the water table.
We're too advanced technologically.
This will be a technocratic dark ages.
All right, so it'll look like, well, frankly, China.
You'll have the accoutrements of modernity.
You'll have a car.
It'll be electric.
And they will determine from a central hub whether it comes on or not, how far you can drive.
You'll have access to the internet.
They will determine what you can and cannot see and how often you can use it.
You'll have a mobile phone.
They'll determine, you know, who you can talk to and monitor everybody else.
It'll be a technocratic dark ages, all right?
But it'll be a dark age for individual liberty and individual agency nevertheless.
Outside of the outside, In the history of the human species, outside of acknowledgement of a biblical worldview, on some level, even imperfectly, there has never been any regard for individual freedom and liberty in the 7,000-year history of recorded human history, period.
Regardless of language, period, custom, culture, it's never happened outside of a biblical worldview, because it's the only one that says men and women are each made in the likeness and image of God.
It's the only one!
that ever has said that or proclaimed that, which is why outside of it, it simply doesn't happen.
We don't believe in that worldview anymore, which is now why we went from feminism to now men are going to become women now and become even better women than the women were.
We don't believe in anything.
The West is like the Joker, but not the Heath Ledger version.
At least the Heath Ledger version wanted to prove a point.
We had an argument.
We're the Joaquin Phoenix version.
We're the one that looks at Robert De Niro and says, I don't believe in anything.
That's who we are!
ian crossland
You know what, the reason I have issues with Christendom and why... Well, I gotta address that one.
tim pool
The Joaquin Phoenix version is a combination of mental illness and anger at the system.
I think you're right.
The Joaquin Phoenix version of Joker is basically a guy who doesn't understand what's going on and is just angry and entitled, so he kills a guy who helped him.
Let me stress this, because this is a really, really good point, especially for those who know I love pop culture references.
The Joker film, awesome.
You guys have all seen it?
Joker?
ian crossland
Negative, no.
tim pool
You've not seen Joker?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Amazing film.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And spoiler alert, I think it's the perfect example of one, they show all the protesters in the streets screaming about the 99%, about the 1% smashing things.
He riles them up, this Joker character.
In the end, they're like dancing and cheering for him.
And that's basically the idea is that he gets these followers because he kills this late night comedian saying, you get what you deserve.
Here's the funny thing about it though.
This is about a guy who's mentally ill and he's out he's down on his luck he's abused and then finally he snaps and he kills some dudes on a train who were messing with him and it's like you kind of understand why he's so angry but he really doesn't understand the system he thinks Thomas Wayne's his dad he's not he's crazy He does a stand-up routine and he gets made fun of for doing it because he forgets his lines and laughs at his own jokes.
A late-night TV show host puts that video on TV and they all laugh at it.
A true comedian at that point would be like, I did it!
They're laughing at me!
I figured something out.
This is working.
They're laughing.
Let's roll with it.
Rodney Dangerfield.
steve deace
I was just going to say, how many great comedians have made a routine out of self-deprecation?
tim pool
And it was hilarious, and then you're with them.
And so think about what this movie represents with Joker.
He's a guy who does something really funny that everyone laughs at, but he gets mad because it wasn't the way they were supposed to laugh.
So he goes on the show, when given an opportunity, when they actually say, okay, come on the show, in front of the world, and decides to kill the guy because they didn't give him what he wanted.
Because they didn't give him his emotional satisfaction.
That's why he's a bad guy.
And that's what I see today.
With the wokeness, with the protesters, they're mentally ill, they're unstable, they're angry, they're entitled, and they don't understand that our founding fathers and our ancestors have given them everything.
steve deace
That's why they hated the movie.
That's why the forces were talking.
about hated this film is they recognized it was the fulfillment of their own nihilistic worldview.
tim pool
This is where it goes.
And then you get the Heath Ledger joker was trying to prove a point about, he says, if I told the news a busload of soldiers would be blown up, nobody cares.
But if you say a mayor dies, they'll lose their minds.
And it's like, okay, well, he's actually got some method to his madness.
Joaquin Phoenix really represented, in my opinion, all of the wokeness.
ian crossland
I was going to mention Christendom, which we were talking about earlier, and why I think there's a problem, why people are having a problem with it and have hated it for so long and want nothing to do with it, because it was used as a cudgel.
It used God as a constrictive tool, and if you didn't worship God the way I want you to worship it, then we're going to execute you.
Similar to what this Joaquin guy, like, if they don't do it the way I want them to do it.
So they would use it as a system of control.
And you had someone like Luther, Martin Luther, I think he said, it's between you and God.
It has nothing to do with the church.
Forget about those, the business, the bureaucrats.
And they tried to kill him for that.
And so I think people hate the business of church.
Not that they have, and they don't even know what God is or understand the emotions attached with experiencing that vibration.
steve deace
I completely agree with everything you just said.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think people are turned off by religion, especially, you know, very dogmatic, legalistic religion.
It can have very negative consequences.
But it's hard not to think that the other part is that people don't want to have to be accountable for themselves, right?
Like, if you have Christian, there's morality, there are things that are right and wrong that you have to hold yourself accountable to, that there are higher values, you set your eyes on the things above.
If you want to live an indulgent lifestyle here and now and only think about what concerns you today, then why would you want to be religious, right?
If your pleasure comes from momentary satisfaction or pursuing things that are wrong and bad for your soul, then like Of course you're not going to go to church, of course you're not interested.
And you can say, I think there are people who have been harmed by, you know, exactly what you're talking about, but I think there are also people who want to live for their own pleasure and have no higher moral consequences.
steve deace
Completely agree.
I mean, I'm going to be 50 this year.
And so my generation, Gen Xers, we're the first post-sexual revolution, first porn generation, mainstream porn generation in America.
My mom got pregnant with me at 15, actually 14, by her high school senior boyfriend.
Found out over Christmas break of 1972.
Then January, a month later, we get Roe versus Wade.
Originally, the cutoff was the first trimester.
She's right at the cutoff.
She has time, she can go get an abortion.
Her mom is twice divorced, five kids from two different marriages, living in the white trash part of town.
That wasn't easy to do 50 years ago, let alone now, okay?
She decides in the end she can't go through with an abortion, so she has me at 15.
We were on food stamps, ADC, all of that.
She ends up marrying a guy out of the Navy who came from a very abusive background.
He was very abusive to us physically, mentally, verbally.
I had a hard time for many, many years.
I didn't become a Christian until I was 30.
And most stats show if you're not one by the time you're 18, the odds you'll become one are very, very low.
Why?
Because a lot of times our first notions of God as a Father come from the Father that we had in our own home.
And if the Father in our own home cannot properly model that to us, the older we get, the harder it is for us to grasp that concept.
And so it was very difficult for me to understand the idea of an altruistic God.
It was very difficult for me to accept that.
It was very difficult for me to look at the evil in the world and think that such an altruistic being could exist.
It was very difficult for... Then, of course, I liked the way I was living and didn't want to change, as you just pointed out.
And then I realized there's a missing component in all of this.
We're all very anxious to question God's character.
When do we start questioning our own?
When does the questioning of our character begin?
And then you have to ask, well, who among us has the wherewithal to judge one another's character?
Are you perfect?
You?
You?
I'm not.
So then we all realize no one's perfect, so no one can judge our character, so guess then what we don't have any more of?
Character.
No one's held accountable for anything.
And so you have this systemic societal collapse, and that becomes a feedback loop, and that's where we are now.
And that's why I said we need revival.
We need to remember that there is a creator, There is a better way than this.
And yeah, you are correct, Ian.
We could sit here with every worldview and we could pick out a few moments.
I mean...
Have you ever had your heart broken by a woman before?
Yes.
Did you proclaim celibacy?
ian crossland
For like five years, yeah.
steve deace
Did you?
Okay, but are you celibate now?
No.
Are all women terrible because a few broke your heart and disappointed you?
ian crossland
No, but they were for like seven years, man, and I made a lot of videos about my hate for women.
steve deace
And you were hurt, yeah.
But eventually though, the need that you had for that companionship, for that intimacy, eventually that need won out, did it not?
ian crossland
Say that one more time?
steve deace
The need for companionship, for intimacy.
That need that you had, that desire, went out over the anger and the bitterness that you experienced because of the way your heart was broken, right?
ian crossland
I think I didn't know.
I couldn't sense the need.
I was desensitized to the want of a woman, of the connection of a relationship, of emotions, for like a decade.
That was the end, but then I just decided to start over again.
steve deace
I would encourage you, I would encourage you, open up a Bible, just you and God, one-on-one.
Give God that exact same shot.
Because a lot of the historical examples you're going to cite are true.
Christians, Catholics and Protestants littered the fields of Europe with blood post-Protestant Reformation for a century.
Our country figured out a way to keep those forces at bay through the things that Tim talked about that were enumerated in the Constitution.
That's what no religious test for office meant.
You've got all these colonies that are all founded by different vestiges of the Christian Church, and literally if you were a different denomination you couldn't vote or be a citizen in some of these other colonies.
They figured out ways to lawfully navigate those differences.
But I would urge, and I'd urge not just you, anyone within the sound of my voice, This thing is doomed unless more of us get recreated with our creator.
And I would urge you, just open up a Bible, you and your creator, one-on-one, and see if he answers.
tim pool
You know what's funny is that a lot of liberals are starting to come around to this.
Granted, most liberals aren't, but there are disaffected liberal types who I'm hearing, I don't want to call anybody out, but there are a few examples Of prominent classical and traditional liberals who are saying, I'm not religious but I now recognize the importance of religion and society.
Maybe I can give a shout out to at least one.
I think James Lindsay has talked about this.
There's a few others.
For me, I grew up Catholic.
So my family was always to a certain degree Catholic.
For me, though, I kind of drifted away from it, but I've long talked about this and there was a period where I was like, I'm an atheist, but the way I would describe it now is I didn't understand anything about God when I was a kid because I didn't know what people were talking about, didn't understand what atheism was as a teenager because it was, again, just people around me until I actually started to read for myself and then ultimately studying, reading books on physics and I was reading the internet and trying to learn about time and Then I started to think about all the things I learned in religious class when I was at Catholic school, and I was like, wait a minute, and I started to see a bigger picture here.
But I think, interestingly, what many people have talked about, Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, when they did the initial Sokol Squared hoax, I did a podcast with them talking about how this wokeness is a non-theistic religion.
It has filled the gap.
Yeah.
It's filled the gap.
steve deace
Absolutely, yeah.
tim pool
But the issue is, it is chaos to traditional religion's order.
And I think what you end up with is, the one way I'll put it this way, the stories I heard when I was younger about Christians came from liberals, and it was, I would describe as mostly anti-religious propaganda.
When I actually started to meet real conservatives and Christians, I was like, these people are nothing like they've been described to me.
And ain't that the story of the culture war we're hearing right now?
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
Trump's a fascist, the far right, they're evil, they're racist, because they want to keep people on one side of the fire.
steve deace
Correct.
tim pool
And they want to say there's a wall of fire, don't go near it, it'll burn you.
But on the other side, people are chillin', they're good people.
And so I remember one of the important stories for me was meeting a friend, I was in the suburbs of Chicago where it was more conservative, and they were pro-life, and I'd never talked to someone who was pro-life before, and they gave me very sound, reasonable explanations for their beliefs.
They weren't too dissimilar to what my family had said, but they were a little bit on the other side, and I was like, well, these are normal arguments.
This is not crazy.
These people aren't insane.
What was all this stuff I was being told?
So now what I think you see is, With wokeness, you have what I would describe as just fire.
It is spreading.
It is a chemical reaction.
It is a chaotic and destructive force.
steve deace
It's the Joaquin Phoenix Joker.
tim pool
It's the Joaquin Phoenix Joker.
It's zombification.
It's the zombie undead version of our culture, of the things we believe.
Racism is bad.
We want to get away from that.
We want equality.
The Constitution guarantees it.
And then you get this zombified corpse version That's actually just infecting and destroying the institutions that we are actually trying to protect.
We want to get rid of the bad stuff, keep the good stuff, and build upon it.
It's just consuming everything and destroying it.
steve deace
The most dangerous conversation in America is the one Ian and I were just having.
That's the most dangerous conversation.
People who have some disparate views on a very important topic but are willing to sit down in a setting publicly in front of other people and hash them out and discuss them openly, share their own personal perspectives.
of what's gone on in their own lives, as to why they've they came to some of the conclusions they
did, or why they have yet to come to those conclusions, or took them to. This is how we
actually come now in reason together. The wokeness religion that you just described,
everything that it does is to avoid this kind of a conversation from occurring.
Whether it's about faith, whether it's about ideology, whether it's about political parties, whether it's about particular issues, it's all to avoid this kind of neighborly conversation that allows differences to get discussed and hashed out.
tim pool
We've got to do a hard segue and progress this because we do have this story here from TimCast.com.
Zelensky warns of World War III if China allies with Russia.
I do see an opportunity for China to make a pragmatic assessment of what is happening here.
I want to bring this up because for those that are just tuning in or just jumping into the segment, we were talking about religion, cultural decay, societal decay.
Joe Biden, the President of the United States, went on a surprise visit to Ukraine with a $500 million gift.
You know who could use $500 million?
hannah claire brimelow
People in Ohio?
tim pool
Flint, Michigan?
People in Flint, Michigan.
ian crossland
Project Veritas?
hannah claire brimelow
Shouldering in foster care in America?
tim pool
I say yes to Project Veritas, but, you know, in all seriousness, Pittsburgh's got a pipe problem, Newark's got a pipe problem.
ian crossland
How about we sprinkle some iron dust into the rivers in East Palestine and then put a magnet in there?
Because what happens is the oil coagulates around the iron particles, and then you can use a magnet to get the oil out.
steve deace
Did you guys hear Greta Thunberg's going to... Just kidding.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
She doesn't want to get sick.
It's this simple.
We're being warned of World War 3.
Zelensky says if China allies with Russia, we're being told the world is on the brink of destruction.
Why would there be World War 3 if China allies with Russia?
Oh, what he's actually saying is because the U.S.
will blindly and unapologetically give Ukraine all the support that it ever wants if China and Russia team up.
Yes, the U.S.
will fall in line behind Zelensky and go into an international conflict between two superpowers or two world powers.
ian crossland
Jimmy Dore was saying that how Zelensky is really falling in line behind the war machine.
And if he says, no, we're going to have peace, that they'll just kill him.
tim pool
And I think so.
I'm just I see this World War Three.
What if the U.S.
just says that we're not interested in war, not over Ukraine?
What if Russia and China team up and they say we're now going to take Ukraine and the U.S.
went.
You were not Ukraine, have a nice day.
What he's saying is, the U.S.
will do what Ukraine wants.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, especially since we've already poisoned all of our citizens to be obsessed with Ukraine.
Do you remember all the flags everywhere all the time?
Like, we made this an issue that apparently, especially liberal-leaning voters are going to die on, right?
So if Biden backs out, if he says, oh, actually, I'm going to cut off funds, then his base will turn on him and be like, how could you abandon the poor people of Ukraine?
steve deace
I wish that were true.
I think they'll actually just Oh, great.
Yeah.
Okay, then I think they're that compliant.
I think Joe Biden could do this on camera and say, this is our new foreign policy.
Fart noises in the armpit.
And that'll be their new avatar on Twitter tomorrow.
tim pool
I've got a pair of Vans shoes.
They're blue with like a yellow stripe on it.
hannah claire brimelow
And I've had people be like- They're West Virginia colors.
tim pool
Or the Ukraine colors.
Exactly.
And I've had people be like, oh, you know, blue.
I'm like, come on, man, just choose.
hannah claire brimelow
West Virginia forever.
tim pool
West Virginia shoes!
We'll just call them West Virginia shoes.
steve deace
This issue... Isn't that weird?
...with Ukraine is my last nerve.
And this is hard for me to say as a kid who's a child of the 80s, who grew up in the We're America Bitch 80s, who wore Alex P. Keaton monogrammed sweater vests, okay, and got up in the middle of the night to cheer Reagan bombing Gaddafi back to the Neolithic period.
This is hard for me to say, okay.
You're taking my high school age son to fight and die in Ukraine, literally over my dead body.
I'm never allowing that.
I'm never letting you take him to die for your Habsburg dynasty, World War I, needless 20 million pile of deaths replay over your elites pissing contest.
Not happening.
I don't care what the threat is.
I don't care what the penalty is.
And if you think you're drafting my daughters, get the camps ready because you're going to need them.
Never happening.
This is an example.
If history doesn't just repeat, it rhymes.
These are a bunch of elites, a little cabal that throw Putin, all of them, all in together.
This is a Habsburg dynasty pissing contest over a strip of land most people can't find, don't care about, has no strategic value to anybody within the sound of my voice unless they're involved in investing money with Hunter Biden.
This thing is such a crock.
It's so fake.
It's so phony.
It's one of the most simplistic, disgusting stories I've ever seen.
It's one of the most cynical stories I've ever seen.
It's wag the dog, but dumber.
And this, to me, is the final straw of just absolute civil disobedience.
We're never fighting your damn war.
Hell no.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's such pageantry.
I think you're totally right.
It's all fake.
I mean, the fact that Zelensky can come to our Congress and not manage to put on a suit, Joe Biden goes to see him wearing a suit, like, he's playing a character.
It's so bizarre.
He's the only world leader on the brink of war, apparently, or in the middle of war, who has to be in, I guess, camo?
Or whatever, to convey to these people that yes, in fact, we are fighting.
So much so that he has time to do a Vogue cover shoot with his wife.
I mean, it's just bizarre.
steve deace
U2?
He's got time for U2 concerts?
hannah claire brimelow
He's got time for U2.
He's got time to make major public appearances around the world via Zoom, I guess.
He can't leave his country.
But it's all for show.
He has to continuously say, this is so drastic.
steve deace
Of course, Lindsey Graham is saying, oh, Mitch McConnell, with his Ukrainian tie.
The most important issue in the country today is Ukraine.
Okay?
Lindsey Graham-nesty.
Well, I don't care about provoking Putin.
Of course you don't.
Because you don't have any sons.
You made that lifestyle choice.
You don't have any sons.
So nobody with your DNA, Lindsey, is going out there on those battlefields to frickin' die for somebody's trust fund or grift fund.
It'll be our sons.
Those of us who do have children, they're the ones that'll go out there.
It won't be Hunter Biden.
I mean, he's tried to kill himself with enough crack, we all know that, but it won't be him doing it.
It won't be their sons dying.
It'll be ours.
Hell to the no.
Never happening.
Shove it up your ass.
We're never doing this.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think you need more Americans saying stuff like that.
I remember when my brother, he was a Marine, he deployed to Afghanistan.
Did any of us think we should be there?
It was crazy!
And yet we have been sending people to wars because we say they're supposed to be there for a long time.
I hope that Ukraine is a wake-up call, right, that these are people who should not be going, that we're sending anyways for pointless things, but I just don't know that it will be.
I hope it is.
ian crossland
I like that you are likening it to the Habsburg dynasty, which was like a family that was obsessed with keeping the Germans in the... I don't know the actual, the literal history of the Habsburg family exactly.
steve deace
They were all married.
They were all related.
tim pool
Did they have... Was that where they had like the weird jaws and like the deformities from... They were like east of Germany.
ian crossland
Were they like Austro-Hungarian?
serge du preez
It was many after a certain point.
It was just a lot of people.
And they wanted... Inbreeding, basically.
ian crossland
And they were trying to control the descent within Europe?
Yes.
unidentified
So they like that the Germans and the Russians are fighting because... If the Germans had won World War I, What would have been different?
steve deace
What was World War I thought about?
Nothing!
It was a pissing contest of elites.
My wing of the Habsburg dynasty will rule over yours, and that'll cost 20 million lives.
The only good thing we did in World War I is perfected friggin' distribution of mustard gas.
We didn't do anything else!
tim pool
Wasn't it like three cousins that went to war?
steve deace
Yeah, they're all related.
All the Habsburgs, by the time we got to 1914, they're all related.
This intermarrying within these empires had gone on for centuries.
They're all related by the time we get there.
And so it's just literally a playground.
Draw a line in the sand, cross this line, your ass is mine.
That's what we used to say when I was a kid.
All right, so they archduke Ferdinand's nephew gets assassinated.
They cross the line.
Now the other alliances come in, cross the line.
Before you know it now, the guns of August have fired.
20 million people died for nothing.
All we did in World War I was lay waste to Germany to give birth to the Third Reich and the worst regime that's probably ever existed in the history of humanity.
ian crossland
Was it like just a It's an arms development research program, the war, under the guise of a war, like we wanna see how our tanks fight against our tanks.
steve deace
As a kid born to a 15-year-old mommy, and I don't know what it's like to have so much of that inherent privilege that after a while you're just like, I gotta fire off some of these rounds because I can't just throw them away.
I don't know the answer to your question.
I mean, my mom, I was on food stamps as a kid, so I don't know the answer to that question.
All I know is there is no, if you look at traditional Christian just war theory, Fighting and dying for Ukraine, morally, is not a just war.
Period.
ian crossland
I agree with that sentiment.
Well, at least from this perspective, it doesn't look like it.
I think that he wants Sevastopol, the trade port, and that he wants East 105, that freeway going down.
If we act like dickheads, he's going to want East 97 and East 105, everything east of the Dnipro River.
But, I mean, I don't see why Armistice isn't the focus.
steve deace
I am no fan of Vladimir Putin.
I can't tell you how many times Russia Today tried to book me on their shows, and I never returned their calls.
That all being said, Vladimir Putin didn't try to turn me into an experiment for Pfizer and Moderna for the last two years.
Vladimir Putin didn't say, by the way, if you did not consent to being a member of said experiment, you can't work.
Like literally like Mark of the Beast, you can't buy or sell stuff because how the hell are you going to buy or sell anything?
You don't have a job, all right?
So you can't work.
Vladimir Putin didn't say, hey, your family business is not essential.
That business that your family's had for a hundred years, that family farm, it's not essential anymore.
It's gotta go.
tim pool
We don't even need to be so specific, to be completely honest.
Vladimir Putin's under the doorstep.
The Soviet Union doesn't exist.
It collapsed.
And this is a border dispute with Russia and Ukraine that, for some reason, the U.S.
thinks it's worth going to World War III over.
So, I agree with your sentiment.
steve deace
I agree with that, too.
If you look at our biggest problems, I often say to my audience on The Blaze or my Twitter feed, the calls are coming from inside the house.
The calls are coming from inside the house.
You want to go to war with China?
How about maybe taking back control of your medical supply that you gave them 80% of the manufacturing?
tim pool
We can't go to war with them.
steve deace
Dude, they actually make some of our own weapon systems.
We're gonna go war with the country that makes 80% of our antibiotics and some of our high-tech weapon systems that most of our elites want to be like anyway.
The calls are coming from inside the house.
The battle is here.
tim pool
We've talked about this quite a bit.
What would happen if China declared war on the U.S.
right now?
If they said, we are officially warring states, back the F off.
Vitamin C, antibiotics, Skateboards would be gone.
People have no idea how much of the standard products we get are made in China and shipped here.
If China said we're at war and cut off trade, what, half of our box stores would be empty.
You'd be like, wait, I can't get medicine anymore?
No.
No, it's actually made in China.
Isn't that crazy?
ian crossland
They'd be just as screwed.
So I don't think it doesn't really make sense for it.
tim pool
Just as screwed?
I'm not so convinced.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, good point.
steve deace
Then they'd only have the amount of farmland they own and they could just go Stalingrad on us and just burn the farmland to cut off our supply chain.
I mean, we're in this position because the great experiment of utopian progressivism, globalism, didn't work.
And the reason it didn't work is it ignores the basics of human nature.
This is how crazy the times have gone.
When I got into this business 15 years ago, Bill Maher was doing documentaries like Religious.
I was doing whole shows debating him on that.
Now I do shows where I play clips of Bill Maher and affirmatively quote him.
Even though I'm not sure he's changed any of his views and I know I sure as hell haven't changed any of mine.
But at least the old culture war, I liked the old culture war.
The old culture war where people like me and people like Mar debated, we both agreed first of all that individuals have some agency and human beings have some rights of conscience.
And the debates that people like me and people like Mar were having is what's the limit on that right of conscience, right?
He basically is, by his own admission, a libertine.
He basically made the Marquis de Sade argument.
If I'm not hurting anybody else, nobody else's problem.
Do what thou wilt.
That is the whole of the law.
That was essentially his argument, okay?
People like me made the argument, well there's a little bit more to it because the one that gave us our agency and the one that gave us that conscience has a few rights of limiting it that we need to listen to for our own good.
And that was the argument that we had is, did people like me go too far?
People like him go too far?
Somewhere in the middle a reasonable society could emerge.
The new argument now is, you have no individual agency at all.
You have no rights of conscience at all.
And so this is why, without changing our positions on literally anything, this is why Bill Maher and Steve Dace are saying a lot of the same things right now.
Because we are both recognizing that old argument about agency and conscience is out the window.
We're actually having an argument whether we have any agency or conscience whatsoever.
Are we totally wards of the state from the moment we breathe?
tim pool
But also I think Bill Maher started finally paying attention to the news.
I think he knew more than he was letting on for a while and he just didn't want to say anything because his audience is, it's liberals.
But he got to that point where he's seen this stuff and he's like, I just can't anymore.
The issue, and this is exemplified by the Prager episode where Prager said they're putting tampons in men's room and the men's room and Bill Maher laughed and the audience laughed and everyone said, oh it's not true.
And then Bill was like, that's for their girlfriends!
What are you talking about?
And Prager was completely correct.
So I think, has Bill Maher apologized for that?
I think he may have addressed it.
I think I talked about it recently, I can't remember.
But what we've been watching for a decade, Bill Maher has only started paying attention to in the past couple of years.
So I wonder if the issue is simply, all of those things you were worried about 10 years ago in the old culture war, Bill just didn't read.
So he didn't know what he was talking about.
hannah claire brimelow
Did he really think that tampons were in men's bathrooms to bring to their girlfriends?
tim pool
When Dennis Prager brought up that, Dennis Prager said, if you claim a man can menstruate, you're a liar.
And everyone laughs.
And he goes, that's what they're starting to claim.
And Bill's like, who?
Who's saying it?
He's like, it's in the media, it's all over the news, Google it, just Google search it, you'll see it.
And then they all start laughing.
He's like, they're putting tampons in the men's room.
And then Bill goes, that's for their girlfriends, come on, no one's saying this.
And they're all just laughing at him.
Of course, Prager was completely correct.
But Bill Maher, he's in his 60s.
He's not paying attention to what's going on.
He has no idea what's going on at these universities.
He doesn't read the news.
ian crossland
But he is now.
That's the wonderful thing.
tim pool
Well, maybe when his publicist came to him and said, hey, they're calling you a Nazi.
He was like, what?
Me?
They're like, yeah, because you said these things.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
Oh, I bet he went, because in the early 2000s, his show, Politically Incorrect, was off the chain, awesome, and then he got kicked off TV because he was too hot for TV.
Tell him the truth about the war machine.
tim pool
What did he say?
ian crossland
He said that the guys that hijacked the planes were probably not cowards, because that was a brave thing to do, to throw your life away for something you believe in.
tim pool
No, you can't say that.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Well, then what happens is you go into hibernation, where it's like, I just got to pretend like everything's fine.
tim pool
No, no, no, he got older.
ian crossland
And then finally, you can't take it anymore.
tim pool
He got older.
He got older.
He's not consuming the up-to-date information on things.
Like, I'm not gonna be able to come here and tell you about the latest TikTok trend.
I don't know.
And in 10 years, when all of these young people who have built up big followings on TikTok are now talking politics, I'm not gonna see what they're saying.
Of course, me understanding that issue, I try to have a better connection to the generation's concerns in the political arena, of which, right now, as millennials, I'm entering.
The end of my 30s, I'll be 37 in about two weeks.
So for younger people, what do we do?
Well, we've got, you know, you're young-ish, I guess.
hannah claire brimelow
It's me, I'm a token female young person.
tim pool
There you go, we're bringing young people.
And we try to pay attention to what younger people are talking about, but there's a lot less younger people who care about politics, and that's the way it tends to be.
When Bill Maher turned 60, And millennials are now in their 30s inheriting these systems and saying... Raising kids of their own.
Raising kids.
steve deace
Having a perspective beyond just their own selfishness.
tim pool
And seeing what the schools are doing.
Seeing what they're teaching their kids.
They're talking about it.
You get Loudoun County, you get that fight.
And Bill Maher, in his 60s, doesn't pay attention to these mediums, has no idea what's going on, and I'd be willing to bet the only reason he came to the position where he is now, calling it out, is because he kept getting notes from his publicist saying, you're a Nazi today, you're a white supremacist tomorrow.
And Bill was probably like, what is this?
What are they complaining about?
Why am I getting negative press from all of these people?
Then he gets half-introduced to what everyone else is talking about, now he's like, this is crazy, people are yelling at me for this stuff?
If Bill Maher actually paid attention to a show like this, or to the commentary we've had for the past several years, or even like the Lotus Eaters podcast with Carl Benjamin for a decade, He'd be well-versed on the modern culture wars.
But it's not just that he doesn't pay attention.
It's that, I think this is true for most demographics, generations, they care about their peers.
I don't pay attention to what Gen Xers are paying attention to.
Bill Maher is a boomer, I think.
ian crossland
I haven't seen Billie Eilish on his show yet.
tim pool
And Bill Maher!
ian crossland
Not that he wouldn't have her.
steve deace
I only know who that is because of my own kids, so there you go.
tim pool
Bill Maher most likely cares about people in his surrounding demographic.
ian crossland
Which is nice about what's happening, because it's like he emerged from the Matrix out of that tank of wet goo, and he's like pulling other people out of it with him, like Bryan Cranston.
People that are like 65, 60 year old Normies that are really influential are friends with Bill, so like, he's kind of a tip of a spear for that generation.
His new, um, I saw him and Cranston did an episode of his new show, uh, what is it?
Where they're just hanging out?
Club Random?
Yeah.
And they're like, both like gently kind of acknowledging the culture war and like how crazy stuff is.
tim pool
As an aside, we're gonna be, uh, I'm gonna be launching a new show that's basically just Sitting down and talking to people.
ian crossland
That's great, dude.
Are you going to publicly announce the specifics?
tim pool
The dates, the times, all that?
We've got to figure out when we're going to publish it.
We're going to record it on Friday mornings, because Friday mornings are just garbage news days, and the views are way down, people are a lot less interested.
I know it's not for people who like watching the news segments on Fridays, but it's just like journalists are all checked out, and I'm like, it's an opportunity to do a different show.
So we have a guest coming this Friday, I believe, And it's going to be cultural, but it's not going to be news topics like we do here, talking about current events.
It's going to be just an open conversation.
ian crossland
What I love about the open convo is because that's how you envelop the spirit of the individual.
The real conversation is bringing the humanity out of people.
We can talk about what happened and what might happen, but you really want to talk to someone about who they are.
Man, that's when you see God.
tim pool
So to clarify, I've had people say stuff like, Tim Kirstein or Roe, Tim's just trying to be like Joe Rogan,
and I'm like, we pull up the top news stories of the day, and then I have a timer where we track news story segments,
which is a combination of the guest's perspective and our perspective on current events.
What this new show is, probably be more like Rogan, it's literally just, or like Club Random.
I'm gonna sit down and be like, hey, what's up?
This is who you are, let's have a conversation.
So it's like something we don't actually do in full.
hannah claire brimelow
It's hard for me not to think that people who say, oh, this is like Joe Rogan,
don't really watch either one of those shows.
They're obviously different as soon as you watch them.
It'd be like saying, oh, that crime show's like, Law and Order SVU, like.
tim pool
Tucker Carlson is the exact same as.
ian crossland
This is more like The View, get it straight.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, exactly.
And I did want to say, sorry to cut you off, the only thing I was going to say is, I just looked it up while we were talking, and Bill Maher doesn't have any children, so what you're saying, like the reason that you know who this pop singer is is because you have children, the people who keep you alert to what's going on in your school system, the people who you have to think, well what's in their best interest, what are their concerns, you know, some people, If you didn't have kids like I'm not gonna speculate on why but it is interesting that this coincides with the push especially for young women not to have children to say why we got that crazy list why you know 300 reasons why you should definitely not have children they're bad and even the good reasons are actually bad you know there is a push to keep people away
from being connected to generations as well as to people within their own community.
It's really sad.
ian crossland
Intergenerational communication is so key.
I love Internet video games for that reason.
I'm still tapped into like what a 14 how a 14 year old thinks.
I mean, I don't like get down 14 year olds intentionally, but it's fun to know.
It's so important.
tim pool
If you play a game like if you play online video games on PlayStation, you just oh man, I like playing Human Fall Flat.
You play that game?
steve deace
I've not played that.
tim pool
It's it's a silly game and you like you're a guy and you have you can like grab stuff and you climb up It's it's a weird control.
I don't know how to describe it You're just like a little dude trying to like climb obstacles and make it to the exit But don't turn on the audio because if you turn it on all you'll hear is like ten-year-olds going And I'm like, okay.
If you want to figure out what the kids are up to, just play Call of Duty and then you'll get some 12-year-old.
steve deace
I'm playing Hogwarts Legacy with my teenage son right now.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm playing that now, but not with my teenage son.
steve deace
I don't have one.
That game's incredible.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
Good game.
tim pool
I like it.
ian crossland
We're going to go to Super Chats pretty soon, but I want to ask you about your book, The Rise of the Fourth Reich, because we've been talking about COVID, basically the government reactions to COVID.
That's what this book's about?
steve deace
Correct.
ian crossland
What is it about that that you saw that had in common with the Third Reich, which is Hitler's organization, his Nazi organization?
steve deace
So a lot of people know about the Nuremberg trials that came out of World War II, but there was another aspect of the Nuremberg trials.
They held separate trials for what they described basically as a biomedical fascist state, that essentially the healthcare sector had fused with the state to impose a lot of the experimentation, And was categorized as healthcare policy.
And so there was the Hippocratic Oath, the idea of human worth and dignity were totally lost via the healthcare sector.
So there was no more guardrails for anyone to go to for their humanity to get recognized once the state took it away.
Were you going to say something there, Tim?
tim pool
I was going to ask you about... I'm just thinking about what we did with Japan when we brought...
Not necessarily German.
Didn't we bring over a bunch of their scientists?
steve deace
Oh, you're thinking of, we brought over a bunch of the German scientists.
tim pool
Paperclip, but there was also something with the Japanese scientists.
serge du preez
Yeah, because we learned a lot of information from Unit 731, just because they did things that we never would say were ethical to do, and they just took the information anyways, and then now we have all this, you know.
tim pool
I was gonna say, I wonder if, like, war stuff, if you're talking about World War I, and I'm like, I'm wondering if that typically is their excuse for experimentation.
ian crossland
Unit 731, that's the general.
tim pool
Yeah, like, and paperclip.
But that paperclip was mostly like, what, like physics and weapons and stuff?
steve deace
Yes, yep.
And so, what we saw here is the exact same thing.
Obamacare basically ended what was left of the individual patient-provider relationship on a corporate level in much of America.
You can still find doctors that are independent, you can still go to a place like an integrative family health clinic in your area and not get sick care, but actual health care, but By and large, corporately, Obamacare ended the patient-provider system.
And you're no longer an individual.
You're not treated.
Now we've got guidelines from CDC.
This is the code.
CDC has the guidelines.
Here's how we treat you.
And all of that now was perfectly set up for when COVID came along.
All of these ham-fisted policies that we didn't look at anything individual, didn't look at individual regions, because New York's hospitals are run over, Montana's schools have to be shut down, and on and on and on it went.
And the fact that they were the tip of the spear to impose all of this, that you were never allowed to question any of it, the science was against them from the very beginning.
I think a lot of people thought that this was a substitute for the global warming debate, a bunch of right-wingers against scientific consensus.
Wrong.
The reality is there were elite scientists from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Oxford, number one rated university in the world according to U.S.
News & World Report, that pushed back against these things from the very beginning of the Imperial College survey that shut the world down.
And yet they were all ignored.
They were ignored by the Trump White House, they were ignored by every government in the world, and we just went with this ham-fisted plan instead.
They never stepped back?
When the data showed they were wrong, they showed no humility, no empathy.
They violated 90 years of science on masks that we had developed since the Spanish flu, post-World War I. We knew they didn't work against respiratory viruses.
That's why you haven't been wearing masks every cold and flu season your entire life.
They knew all of this, and yet they imposed this power instead.
Why?
We get into that in the book, and I think what really sets this book apart from other attempts that will be made to have a reckoning of this era... Go ahead.
tim pool
I want to make sure we point out, they literally murdered people.
steve deace
Yes.
First of all, they created the virus, guys.
They created the chimeric concoction that came out of that lab.
The same people that were working on all the solutions, the same kind of elements within NIH.
It's not a China virus.
I wish it were just their virus.
Our scientists were over there working on this with them.
That's not even in dispute at this point in time.
The big issue is how it got out of the lab and why, okay?
tim pool
So, but in terms of the, that's a good point, too.
We had the, there was a study, or a paper from the University of Beijing.
Do you mention that in the book?
I think it was University of Beijing.
You want to fact check me on this one?
Where they said that bats had bitten and peed on people in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and that could be how the SARS-CoV-2 may have gotten out of the lab.
Then, abruptly, it was rescinded, and they said, nope, nope, we're wrong about that.
But, I don't want to deviate.
What I wanted to bring up was, we can talk about mandates and lockdowns, But they literally killed people, and I want to just make sure we can be specific about this.
They took COVID patients and put them in nursing homes with the most vulnerable populations.
steve deace
In at least five states.
tim pool
In at least five states.
And why was a 30-year-old being put in a nursing home with elderly people who are at risk?
Why were they not—was it the Comfort?
Was the ship in New York?
We can make up every argument in the world about why they decided not to use the Javits Center, why they decided not to put the ships that Trump sent in to use those facilities, and instead took people with COVID who should not be in nursing homes and put them there.
steve deace
We get into the whole gamut.
Every issue, real quick.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, you're right.
The Beijing-sponsored South China University paper that said that instead of coming out of the seafood market, it was possible that someone had the blood of bat on their skin, and that one of the researchers had been attacked by a bat.
So he had quarantined for 28 days after that.
steve deace
Can I address that really quick?
Because the term gain of function gets thrown around a lot.
And don't get me wrong, Gain of Function is flirting with disaster Molly Hatchett.
Gain of Function is lighting up the Bikini Atoll with a hydrogen bomb to see what its blast radius is.
That's not what they were doing.
They were doing something worse.
In their own words, they did gain a function to gauge what they called, quote, spillover potential.
These are their own words.
That is now the akin of, we're not only gonna drop a hydrogen bomb on the Bikini Atoll,
we're now gonna put a human being in the blast radius because we want to see what the radiation does to humans.
They were specifically provoking these bat coronaviruses in the labs to spill over to human beings.
They wanted to know, they were poking it, provoking it, prodding it.
They specifically wanted to know what would make it spill over to a human being.
That is, there's Icarus flying close to the sun, guys, and then there's Icarus flying up to the sun
with a freaking hydrogen bomb and throwing it into the sun.
That's what they were doing.
tim pool
We got to go to Super Chats, but I want to bring up one last thing.
Did you know that in 2019 it was reported they were doing gain-of-function research on avian flu to specifically make it transmissible among mammals and got the avian flu to infect ferrets?
And the question is, now, why would you go ahead and make something like that?
The avian flu mortality rate is 60% when it does cross over to humans, which is rare, because it's difficult for the virus to do.
But why would you do gain-of-function to make it so it does?
steve deace
All the answers to that question are bad.
tim pool
Well, let's go to Superchip.
ian crossland
Yeah, we'll finish that thought, though.
tim pool
We'll definitely talk about more of this in the webisode.
Let's go to Super Chats.
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All right.
Brandon M says, the first act of the board of an organization without O'Keefe, whose name means truth, is to lie to everyone.
Yeah, someone brought this up last week or whatever.
James O'Keefe is the only person accused of malfeasance by Veritas without evidence.
Every single instance where Veritas has accused someone of doing something, they've shown the video of them doing it.
Except James.
How stupid is that?
hannah claire brimelow
They don't hold themselves to their own standards.
Crazy.
tim pool
All right.
Coric57 says, Tim, what do you think about Twitter personalities caught accepting PAC money from Biden admin?
I don't know about that.
What's that about?
unidentified
No idea.
tim pool
All right.
steve deace
I don't know why the Biden administration would pay Twitter personalities to shill for them, because I just think a lot of people would do it for nothing out of cultic devotion to the agenda, frankly.
tim pool
Yeah.
serge du preez
But they pay all the TikTokers, you know, they've got to get the young vote as well.
steve deace
There you go.
hannah claire brimelow
They pay them to push a specific message, right?
It's like a marketing deal.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
What do we got here?
Easy Kill says, here is my monthly donation that normally goes to Project Veritas.
Use it well.
Well, thank you for this.
We need to, I'm trying to get in touch with James O'Keefe.
He is not an easy man to get in touch with right now.
I imagine he's got NDAs or something, but I'd like to get in touch with him.
And so if he hears this, so we can try and figure out what he's going to do, because I'm sure Whenever he has the chance, and I assume he can launch something quickly, we gotta get him in here so he can tell all of you guys where to direct your donations to keep the work going.
I don't think anybody's got faith in Veritas without a James O'Keefe.
I don't.
And I'm gonna say it again.
James putting out the music video Oligarchy is one of the reasons I liked Project Veritas.
James doing the dancing and the DJ stuff?
I don't want to disrespect the journalists who are doing these interviews, but I don't know who these people are.
They're not charismatic.
do something to build culture, to create something interesting. Project Veritas as these like,
look, I don't want to disrespect the journalists who are doing these interviews, but like,
I don't know who these people are. They're not charismatic.
They mean, it means nothing to me.
James is like this charismatic dude that I have, that I trust, shows strength and is interesting
with the character that he's developed for Veritas and the energy and the persona of Veritas itself.
So, I just want to say that again.
hannah claire brimelow
I like the dance show. Oh, you got it. Nothing he did, you know, spending money on this music video or whatever else
he's accused of like losing money wise.
The journalism kept getting bigger and better, right? So if he spent $60,000 on a dance party, I mean, I think we've
made it up in the amount of truth that he's uncovered. Yes.
tim pool
Dad's cigarette run says watched the video on your channel and it's heartbreaking.
There will be a reckoning.
So, we had an anonymous source provide some information to us pertaining to Veritas.
So I just, it's a video of James O'Keefe basically explaining what's going on.
Just uploaded it raw.
And I was like, I don't know, look, we're planning on doing this new show, probably recorded Friday.
And I'm wondering if maybe we'll upload the conversational podcast.
It's gonna be its own podcast on Apple and Spotify.
Maybe, I don't know, Sunday nights?
We're going to record it Friday morning, but I don't know if putting up on Friday is the best thing to do.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Maybe we just do it.
ian crossland
There's a lot of room on Saturday and Sunday for something.
tim pool
Well, Sundays are good days because people are at home and they're getting ready and, you know, but yeah, and Friday's terrible.
Like Friday night is just, but that's when I have the real opportunity to record it.
And I don't know, maybe we just do it Friday morning.
serge du preez
Yeah, that works.
I'm always looking for content on Sundays, honestly.
hannah claire brimelow
Sunday's a good day for a lease, but for your schedule.
tim pool
I'm thinking we're going to record it 10 to noon on Fridays.
Maybe we just upload it right away, right after the show.
It goes up at 1 on a Friday or something.
It is what it is.
But anyway, anyway, I digress.
Yeah, so I just put it up on the channel because I didn't know where else to put it.
I was like, we want to publish it.
We want people to see what James has to say.
ian crossland
If anyone's following along, Veritas Twitter account's lost 22,000 followers since we've been talking.
tim pool
So now it's at 155?
ian crossland
Yeah, 157.5.
tim pool
I still follow them so far.
I mean, I want to see what they're saying.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm seeing it through.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think that's the hard thing.
There are some people that want to be able to get the updates from Project Veritas.
ian crossland
I wanted more companies like Veritas anyway, so maybe this is just the hard way to make that happen.
tim pool
I can't imagine Project Veritas without James O'Keefe.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
I don't know.
I have a feeling that James O'Keefe simply comes out and announces he's launching, you know, the truth operation and instantly is making $10 million a year, hires a staff, and the next video we see of a big expose comes from them and not Veritas.
hannah claire brimelow
You know how there are some companies where one person does 87 jobs and when they leave it's very difficult to replace them?
Like not only does James have this public persona, people send him information, he is involved in the administrative day-to-day, he's involved in his own reporting, like it would be so difficult to replace him and it's easy for him to maintain all of the skills that he has and just start something new.
tim pool
Yeah, easily.
ian crossland
Shout out to Eric Spracklin.
tim pool
Well, so, you know, I just gotta say, James, you know, come on the show and then figure out the new organization and we'll do a whole show.
So as soon as he gets that ready, we'll have him here and we'll figure it out.
Yeah, I guess, what did they say, like he was packing up his stuff or something?
Is that what they said in their statement?
ian crossland
I imagine half the employees are gonna leave and join his new company if he does that, I would imagine.
Hopefully a bunch of them would.
tim pool
I don't know.
Ryan Ellis says, the purpose of James getting the boot is to destroy Veritas.
They don't care if they lose followers, they want it to crash and burn.
Yeah, there you go.
unidentified
No.
hannah claire brimelow
I just wanna know why.
Like, what is it?
tim pool
Oh, come on.
ian crossland
Not your own organization.
tim pool
I mean, the Epstein stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
No, no, no, but like...
I mean, the Epstein stuff, but, like, he's been going for a while, right?
Like, it's hard for me not to think that there is something that he wanted to do that the board was like, no, we're not willing to look at.
ian crossland
I think James got so freaked out because he was putting his life on the line, and he's like, do what I say!
tim pool
Do it!
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I gotta stop you.
The FBI raided the home of James, who's in his underwear or something, and, like, other employees.
They have been trying to shut down Veritas.
It just seems they figured out how to do it.
Maybe they went to a board member and said, you know what?
Going after James isn't working.
We'll go after you.
And then the board members are like, I'm not dealing with this.
Get James out of here.
I'd rather not deal with it.
steve deace
Whenever complete and utter stupidity is the most benign and innocent explanation, rest assured, every other potential option is far worse than that.
So this is either just mind-numbing stupidity, that even if he is guilty of everything you're accusing him of, that you would choose now, with the organization at its pinnacle of influence and success, to absolutely kneecap and decapitate it.
That's either the issue, all these people just got this instantaneously stupid, rather than handle this stuff privately, or, Fill in the blank.
tim pool
Randall Hogan says, Tim, you need to hire James to run Timcast News.
James O'Keefe does not need, I do not think he needs my help on anything, or I would also say, I don't know if I could afford to hire James O'Keefe.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I heard he comes with a lot of legal fees.
tim pool
A lot of legal fees.
And his salary is publicly known, you know, because it's a non-profit, they disclose what his salary is.
But more importantly, James has the talent, work ethic and wherewithal to simply snap his fingers to create a new organization, and with all the experience he's gained, probably get it up and running within less than half a year, and then instantly, with his friends and allies in the space, have more than enough donors to be right back to where he was.
It may be a bump in the road, but nobody needs to hire James.
James is probably just going to moonwalk his way into a new organization with a new name, and it'll be bigger and better than ever.
I recommend a private for-profit corporation.
I don't think anyone who donates to Veritas is concerned about how James is... Let me put it this way.
James leaving, effectively ending Veritas, and everyone's like, he is Veritas.
I'm willing to bet every person who has given James O'Keefe money, if James said to his donors, guys, my boat is broken and I work too much, the only way I can get it fixed is if I fly on a private charter, here's how much we've brought in, does anyone care if I spend $14,000 on this?
I bet 98% or 100% would be like, James, you deserve this man.
The risks you've taken, the work you've done, the positive impact you've had on society, take a private jet.
If he had a for-profit company, nobody would bat an eye.
They'd be like, well, it's his own company.
He makes the money, he can do what he wants.
But he does the right thing.
Starts a non-profit, takes a smaller salary than he would've if he was in a for-profit, and then now he's being accused of, and not to mention, all of his lies.
I just don't, I'm not gonna believe it, sorry.
They say he was abusing employees, then when that is disproven and the donor, two donors come out and they're like, that never happened, those are lies.
Now it's, well, he was spending money he wasn't supposed to spend.
Yeah, okay, spare me.
Anyway.
All right, Matthew Emmons says, if only we knew someone who was starting a non-profit that James could pivot to, if only it could be named Ministry of Truth.
That's a good idea.
steve deace
That's very snarky, I like that.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's good.
tim pool
Ministry of Truth.
I think, I have to imagine right now James is talking to like a corporate attorney about setting up a new non-profit right now.
The thing about non-profits is you have to have board members.
You have to.
ian crossland
I know, it's annoying.
It's both the strength and the weakness of it because you can't start it without having three people in charge, which means two of them can throw you out at any moment if you're one of the three.
You really got to trust the people you work with, have a vision for the future, and, I don't know, just pray that the thing works.
It's weird to think that you can spend three years building something and then your two managing partners can just decide you're out.
I don't know if they can do it without just cause.
I don't know if that works, but, you know, it's...
tim pool
So a lot of people are mentioning, like, I should hire James or start something with him, and I'm just kind of like, James needs to be the sole owner, CEO, 100% board member, all of that stuff of his own for-profit corporation, and then he can come on this show anytime he wants when he wants to shed it out and build up a membership base to help fund his work.
And as I mentioned earlier in the show, he should do, the legal fees are probably the most difficult thing for these guys.
But he should do the normal work they're doing and then offer a Project Veritas commentary behind the scenes for paying members.
So sign up for 10, 20 bucks a month, support Veritas, for-profit, not tax-deductible, but then you can listen to James talk about the story in a more candid, you know, fashion that he records like once a week or with every story.
And I think that's the way to do it.
Then he can spend the money on whatever he wants, not that I think he's wasting it.
And I think it just protects him.
No board, nobody can fire him, nobody can boot him, he never has to worry about this.
Like, how did he get fired?
He is Veritas!
That's just insane to me.
It shouldn't be possible.
All right, all right.
Because Reason says, James gave us an emotional speech.
It makes me think while he is getting in his car and driving away, he ain't done yet.
No way.
He is a fighter.
I mean, what if the next video we see of James is him just like sitting on the beach with like a coconut and he's just like, I'm done.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm retired.
I started something.
I'm done.
steve deace
What if the first video of his new organization is of one of these board members?
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I was wondering.
tim pool
Yeah.
Oh man.
steve deace
Hell hath no fury like a muckracker scorned, guys.
unidentified
I'll tell you that.
tim pool
Imagine being one of these board members right now, having to go into a meeting with Project Veritas, and they're going to be like, is anybody wearing the lapel mics?
Anybody with the cameras?
steve deace
I would urge every member of that board, they're way too hot for you.
Beware.
tim pool
Yes.
I have to imagine the only way the board can actually meet with Veritas employees right now is to make them all wear, like, unitards.
Everybody has to- here's your new uniform when you're in the building.
Yes.
Someone's gonna get them.
hannah claire brimelow
It makes me wonder also, like, we've been working with James for years, like, what does he already know about them that before he would have kept to himself that now he doesn't have to, right?
Like, unless they got him to sign a non-disparagement agreement, which I really doubt, they are completely vulnerable to him.
tim pool
He's gotta start a non-profit in West Virginia.
He's gotta come down here.
Come down to West Virginia.
Yeah, not New York.
New York's bad.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, New York's a terrible idea if you want to be a non-profit.
Or at least a conservative non-profit.
tim pool
All right, Rath says, Tim, AP News, roughly 30 minutes ago, so this is about 8 p.m., Ohio metal plant up in flames, several people injured.
Don't know if it's relevant, wow.
Stranz says, two dozen eggs cost me $12.48 today.
40 pounds of chicken feed, $13.50.
Blue Sapphire chickens will be shipped tomorrow.
steve deace
Man, $12.50 for... Is this the most expensive eggs have ever been in human history?
tim pool
I don't know about...
hannah claire brimelow
I think it is. I was looking at a chart over the weekend, but the thing is I'm still seeing some egg prices that are
relatively inexpensive.
Like, it's hard for me to say, right?
I think in the last four decades from the chart I saw...
tim pool
I don't know about human history.
Four decades maybe, but like during famine or whatever, you know, if you had a couple eggs, probably very expensive.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think also more people had chickens, right?
tim pool
During times of famine, people had their own livestock and ways of... Families, I think until what, like the 1900s, every family had a cow.
Like at least one cow.
It was like a normal thing.
Like you had a cow.
hannah claire brimelow
But then you can't take it with you to your apartment in your, you know, large city, so that went away.
tim pool
Man.
And then we got too many eggs.
Too many.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because we got a chicken city.
ian crossland
I was watching a documentary about the Middle Ages.
They all had a pig.
Not everybody.
Pretty much everybody had a pig.
And you'd have to turn them out onto the street at night.
And they just root through.
And there was just pigs all over the place.
This is something that didn't get a lot of media attention.
I think that people have a deep-seated hatred for pigs because of the way that the wild boars would hide in the bushes and ambush people, gore them, and then eat them alive.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, we also say they're, like, dirty.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I mean, there's such a hate.
We don't have it for dogs.
We don't, we don't call and eat dogs.
We do it with pigs.
They're just as smart or essentially they're about.
Yeah.
But I think it's because of this deep rooted hatred of the wild boar.
So we're like, you know what?
You've deserved this for hundreds of thousands of years.
You've terrorized my species.
Now we're going to eat you alive.
How do you like it?
tim pool
I think they're just delicious.
ian crossland
They certainly have become that way.
tim pool
It could possibly be that bacon happens to taste very good.
unidentified
I'm from Iowa, so I'm a fan of pig.
tim pool
So yes, I think pigs are very good.
I think bacon is universally beloved.
I've even had vegans tell me that, you know, the activist vegans saying they miss bacon.
Not all of them.
You know, I'm not trying to accuse all vegans of liking meat, but the activist vegans have had people be like, yeah, yeah, that's why they buy fake bacon.
The idea that vegan meat exists shows that these people are unhappy with their choices.
I'm just ragging on vegans now.
No, you're all right, vegans.
You can eat whatever you want.
But I will point out that there's that famous video of when the hurricane was coming and the whole store is cleared out, but the vegan section is completely full.
Like nobody wanted to buy any of that stuff.
It's too salty, man.
The Impossible Burger has more salt than a McDonald's burger.
McDonald's burger's got too much salt in it as it is.
hannah claire brimelow
I think when veganism got trendy, people thought it was code for healthy and it's not.
Like, you can eat pasta with olive oil on it all day long and be a vegan and not be healthy at all.
ian crossland
Yeah, sugar is vegan.
hannah claire brimelow
Oreos are vegan.
ian crossland
It's the overeating of meat and sugar that is what's the... It's the overeating.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not the meat itself.
tim pool
Overeating in general of anything is bad.
hannah claire brimelow
Although there is a lot of sugar in what we're eating now.
Have you seen those videos about like back in the day people used to consume like half a pound of sugar?
I should find the video and quote it more accurately.
tim pool
There's a funny advertisement when they were marketing sugar and it was like low calorie energy burst.
It was a woman eating a spoonful of sugar.
unidentified
It's wild.
serge du preez
I've seen that before.
tim pool
And it was like for a low calorie burst of energy and I'm like that's the Craziest idea.
Don't do that.
ian crossland
They have those sugar cubes.
They'd be like, how many?
One or two?
And they'd put these giant cubes of sugar in the tea.
tim pool
I think they still do that.
steve deace
In Iowa, we have a place called Living History Farms where you can go back to the agrarian, more agrarian time in America.
And you can actually do like theme dinners.
And one of the, I went, my wife and I went with some couples several years ago to What was dinner in Iowa was like for a family in like 1911 because it was 2011 so a hundred, you know And it was a I could not believe by the way the amount of carbs they consumed I could not believe the amount of calories they consumed and absolutely one of the palate cleansers in between meals was a thing of sugar cubes, okay, and
And so as someone who over the years has lost like over 100 pounds,
like I'm like really cognizant of the amount of food that I get served now, you know?
And I remember asking the attendant, how did all these people ate this much food?
And yet, man, like size 36 jeans would have been considered chubby to them, right?
I had to lose 100 pounds to fit into a size 36 jean.
And she said to me, well, they also worked out in the fields for nine hours a day and burned all those calories off.
Their jobs weren't sedentary.
hannah claire brimelow
There was this study that came out that said that our average body temperature has gone down by a degree because we are less active as a whole, right?
More employment is sedentary, so you spend more time sitting.
We are seeing the effects of the shifts in our economic lifestyle.
I don't necessarily want to work in a field.
steve deace
So that's why you saw Michael Phelps, when he was swimming, was doing 5,000 calories per meal.
tim pool
8,000 calories per day or something.
When I was skating at my max, I was probably doing 5,000 to 8,000 calories a day.
And a lot of people don't believe me, but I'm like, no, seriously, whole pizzas to myself?
Skating for 8 to 10 hours a day, drenched in sweat all day nonstop?
Yeah, it was brutal.
ian crossland
I dated this girl who ran marathons and we would eat giant, she'd make giant pasta meals and then eat it and then just be super thin like a, and I'm like, I couldn't eat, I couldn't do it.
tim pool
Dude, I would wake up in the morning and we'd go grab like some fast food.
I'd get like two burgers, two nuggets.
We would go skate like crazy.
Then I would get like a Panda Express three entree meal.
Then we would go back and at night have like a whole pizza.
It's like, I would go to the skate park and skate for eight to 10 hours.
Just non-stop, drenched in sweat.
The next day, I wouldn't be able to walk.
I would just be paralyzed from my muscles just tightening up and I couldn't move.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I know I have a family friend whose sons are both very elite baseball players.
One plays in college, one plays in high school.
And she used to tell me, especially when they were going through puberty, and both of these guys are like 6'5", 6'7", they're huge.
She used to just get pounds of ground turkey and cook it for them, and they would just eat it all the time because they were constantly hungry.
One of them went to boarding school, so there's a cafeteria, a dining hall, and he didn't have access to food all the time, and he lost 30 pounds because he was just this huge athlete who needed calories.
I mean, that's the closest we have to this time period that you're talking about when there's much more physical labor.
Also, you walked more places to get around, transportation.
tim pool
People also really underestimate how much calories they're eating.
Like when they started adding the calorie counter to menus and stuff at a fast food restaurant, and you're like, you mean a burger and fries is 1,500 calories?
What the?
Yeah, so imagine if you did it three times a day, you'd have 5,000 calories.
Crazy.
ian crossland
Do different people produce different amounts of calories from the same food?
Like if you eat a piece of broccoli, I eat the exact same piece, would one of our bodies make more heat?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
So the calorie number is not in the food, it's a result of our body burning the food.
tim pool
A calorie is a representation of energy required to burn or something like that.
hannah claire brimelow
Burn the food or burn the meat.
tim pool
But the issue is, To clarify what your question is, if you take the same piece of food and two people, like exact replicas, and two people eat it, their bodies will handle it differently.
And there is no way it could be equal in the energy output.
ian crossland
So that's why the calorie is not in the food.
That's important to keep in mind.
Not super important.
tim pool
Someone who is 6 foot 5, 220 pounds muscle is given a cupcake.
Someone who is 90 pound female who does an exercise is given the same exact cupcake.
The body is going to use them in very different ways.
The output will probably be very different.
And actually, a better example might be like a steak, where you've got a lot of protein, the body's got to break down very hard in the liver or something like that.
A dude is going to probably rip through that thing way better than someone who's not working out or sedentary.
Not only that, but I mean like somebody who's morbidly obese and doesn't exercise, who's given a cupcake, is going to have a blood sugar spike and probably feel really sick.
An athlete will probably just not even notice.
Probably, maybe feel sick later.
I mean, bad food is bad.
You know, garbage in, garbage out.
Anyway, all right, let's read some more of these superchats.
OMG Puppies says, Jehovah's Witnesses and Adventists believe the earth will be restored to the Garden of Eden and the saved will live there.
The 144,000 are a special group who go to heaven.
So there you go.
They want you to live in the Garden of Eden.
You can't go to heaven though.
Sorry, it's not for you.
steve deace
I prefer the biblical worldview where Jesus offers all of his followers heaven, not just 144,000.
hannah claire brimelow
How did they get to that number?
I don't understand.
steve deace
It's a symbolic number in the book of Revelation.
tim pool
Ah.
All right, what do we got?
Ted Mahoney says national divorce would reduce the remaining states to global insignificance and we would be dissected and ruled by other superpowers.
Agreed.
Yep.
Mark Guidetti says, Real Americans want to fix the union, not run away from it like cowards.
But that would require federal intervention into California, which probably would result in, I don't know, civil war.
Unless California rolls over.
But so long as California is violating the Constitution and subverting the federal government, what more can we do?
steve deace
The social compact is dead.
There is no social compact in America anymore, and that really is the underlying foundation of a constitution.
What a constitution does is it codifies that social compact.
The social compact is the essence of what a constitution enumerates, and that is gone.
legal document. The social compact is the essence of what a constitution enumerates,
and that is gone. And so California has no problems whatsoever about being a platform
to eradicate your way of life.
In fact, it is proud of doing so, and it is affirmatively—it's not an accident.
It's missional.
They're doing it on purpose.
The only way you're going to hold the Union together outside of civil war or revival Is you're going to have to have more governors do what DeSantis has done in Florida.
Militant forms of federalism and interposition.
The doctrine of interposition of the lesser magistrate.
That's what the founders wanted state and local governments to do.
Is the people you elected on a state and local level, juries were a form of interposition.
They called them the fourth branch of government.
So, right down to twelve peers on a local jury, you could interpose.
If Washington, if the federal government went off the rails, these other layers could stand in and say, no, you don't get to impose that upon my people.
We won't enforce that here.
We will not impose that on them here.
We won't adjudicate that here.
We will practice, through the doctrine of the lesser magistrate, forms of interposition.
You have to, and they've done that to us.
When Donald Trump got elected in 2000, when Donald Trump took office in January of 2017, there were fewer elected Democrats in office in America than there had been since before the Great Depression, before FDR's New Deal created the modern democratic coalition.
And yet, did San Francisco say, ah, snap.
Republicans have total control of the White House, and Orange Man Bat is president.
We're going to stop doing subsidies for trans homeless people in San Francisco now, because the other sides... Did San Francisco change anything they were doing?
No, they just San Francisco'd on.
That's an example of interposition.
tim pool
That's a good verb.
steve deace
They just kept on San Franciscan, didn't care what the hell Orange Man Bad was saying from the White House.
tim pool
Can we just write it, San Francisco'd.
San Francisco'd on.
That's the verb for doing, you know, failed policy.
steve deace
Yes, but we need West Virginia, your state, where a Democrat hasn't won a precinct in your state since the 08 presidential election.
tim pool
Yeah, mansions.
Gotta switch parties.
steve deace
But we need West Virginia to be as red as California is blue.
It's not.
My state of Iowa is redder than yours.
Texas needs to be redder than Florida.
Mississippi... Look at Wyoming!
tim pool
But do you know how close West Virginia is to D.C.?
steve deace
Well, I understand.
And you've got Frederick, and then you've got the college towns, and you've got... But you're still in a state where Democrats haven't won in a presidential election a precinct since 2000.
Not a county, a friggin' precinct!
hannah claire brimelow
We need... But Iowa is historically red, right?
steve deace
No.
hannah claire brimelow
West Virginia's not?
steve deace
No, until... Bush in 2004 was the only Republican since Reagan in 84 that won our state in a presidential election until Trump.
It's traditionally been a very purple state.
We need Mississippi, Alabama, those states need to actually earn their reputations.
The red states are not as red as the hard blue states are blue, and that's what's killing us more than anything else.
If we had more interposition, More of essentially de-escalating what they try to do to us from Washington.
That would give us much more of a chance than what we have right now.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Abel says, I have never heard of Steve before tonight's show, but he has a new follower.
Also, Hannah Clare and Ian look like they could be related.
Just an opinion.
Oh, they actually are.
Yeah.
Long lost cousins.
ian crossland
Thanks for uniting us.
hannah claire brimelow
You're just generalizing white people right now.
I don't like that.
steve deace
You guys all look the same.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, you know, am I allowed, under the rules of wokeness, am I allowed?
Like, how much of a not, how much not white do you have to be before, you know, I think Serge is because he's African American.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's a technicality.
ian crossland
Your mic's off.
serge du preez
Yeah, I let it stay off.
People told me I should stop talking.
But yeah, it's a technicality.
tim pool
But what do you mean, literally?
You're South African.
serge du preez
I mean, literally, I am African-American.
hannah claire brimelow
Shouldn't you be proud of who you are?
I don't understand what's happening.
tim pool
Didn't Elon Musk say something about that, like being an African-American?
hannah claire brimelow
Someone said it about him, like they're being mean to like...
unidentified
The African-American tech entrepreneur, Elon Musk.
tim pool
There's a famous story where there was a grant for African-American scholarship or something, and a blonde-haired white kid showed up, and they were like, what is this?
He's like, I'm from South Africa.
But I guess he genuinely didn't know.
Yeah.
Because he was like, we don't have that phrase where I come from.
So it said African-American.
I was like, oh, I'm from Africa.
And I came here, and then they got mad at me.
serge du preez
It never made sense to me, actually.
tim pool
Yeah, like Caucasian?
From the Caucasus region?
That's not where I'm from, I'm not from there.
serge du preez
The best is when I was in university, I went to school with a guy from Britain, who was from Jamaica, his mother's from like St.
Lucia, and everyone called him African-American, like, I'm not American.
What are you saying?
tim pool
I knew a guy who was not an American citizen, and this was a long time ago at a different job I had, and we were talking about Caucasian, African-American, Pacific Islander, what do these things mean?
And then this guy got really mad, he's like, I am not African-American!
I am from Haiti!"
And he was like, he wasn't even an American citizen.
You know, he had like a work visa, and he was Haitian, and he was like, call me Haitian, man.
serge du preez
Yeah, seriously.
tim pool
Just calling him African.
Anyway, all right, let's see what we got here.
Thomas Sidebottom says, I hate the argument I usually get from lefties that religion, Christianity, is a cult.
Cults remove you from your family and support structure.
Christianity helps you develop a better bond with them.
Right.
That's a really good distinction.
A key component of cults is to isolate you from family and friends, to keep you away from anyone who might oppose what they think.
Whereas, not even just Christianity, but a lot of these are very internally family-oriented.
Like Judaism, for instance, with Shabbat.
It's like, be with your family.
Talk to those you love and care about.
steve deace
Well, the cult of the Spirit of the Age is doing that now.
It's just doing it in terms of, you are separated from your family into the new woke religion.
And you should separate yourself from anybody that might have different viewpoints rather than Debate them, discuss with them, or even try to defeat them in the arena of ideas.
They're automatically a lesser form of human.
Racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, bigot.
So they're the other and should not be considered for polite viewing or for debate whatsoever.
tim pool
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Click that Join Us button because we're going to talk about the rise of the Fourth Reich and biomedical tyranny and a lot of stuff like that.
It's going to be really interesting.
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Steve, do you want to shout anything out?
steve deace
You've got great hardwood floors downstairs, man.
tim pool
Really?
steve deace
I'm really impressed, yeah.
Some of the nicest hardwood floors I've ever seen.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
tim pool
I didn't think they were that good.
steve deace
I mean, we haven't got really nice.
Yeah, I was really impressed.
tim pool
Wait till you see the new studio.
We filmed the music video there at the new space, and it's like, it's getting there, it's getting there.
The studio room is mostly done.
We could probably start setting up studio equipment there now.
serge du preez
Yeah, probably.
tim pool
Because the room itself is, I think, is done.
And the green room is getting work done.
I'm really excited.
We just need to get it done ASAP.
But yeah, thank you for showing up at the Harvard course.
unidentified
You bet.
steve deace
And you can, if you want, if you like what I had to say here tonight, sign up for the podcast.
Just look for Steve Day's show on iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify, Amazon, all that stuff.
tim pool
Right on.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
Steve, this has been great.
You should follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and on Instagram.
It's the best news site, in my opinion.
You can follow me personally on Instagram at HannahClaire.B and you can follow me on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
Also, if you know where I can get more knit American Flag sweaters, I'd like to add some more to my collection.
That would be cool.
But they have to be knit, not just printed.
Thank you.
Have a good night.
ian crossland
Everyone, Ian Crossland, iancrossland.net.
Follow me anywhere online at iancrossland.
Happy to be here, Steve.
serge du preez
Good to see you.
steve deace
You bet.
ian crossland
Just to shout it out again, man, Nefarious, your movie's coming out.
steve deace
April 14th, whoisnefarious.com.
ian crossland
All right.
And Rise of the Fourth Reich, your book.
We'll be talking about that later tonight.
All right, man.
serge du preez
We'll have that in about an hour.
And I am at surge.com on Twitter.
Talk to me there.
tim pool
And we're also exploring doing the Members Only segments live immediately following the show.
So we just gotta work out the workflow to get it going, but for today we'll just record it and then maybe within this week or next week we'll figure out how to do it live if we can.
So anyway, we'll see you all over at TimCast.com on the homepage.
In about one hour you'll see the Uncensored Members Only.
We'll see you there.
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