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Feb. 9, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - LIVE From Congress With Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, & Anna Paulina Luna
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anna paulina luna
05:14
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byron donalds
19:31
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jim jordan
12:17
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lauren boebert
22:19
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matt gaetz
13:04
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tim pool
44:15
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ian crossland
04:52
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tim pool
you does the is the sound working
The sound is working.
I'm a little blown out here.
It's very, very bright.
We're coming to you live from the congressional offices of Congresswoman Lauren Boebert.
We are in the Capitol, and we're going to have an awesome array of guests to talk about a lot of what's been going on.
So, the other day, of course, we had the State of the Union Address from Joe Biden, which was interesting to me.
It sounded a lot like another campaign speech, where he actually said a lot of things were really bad.
That was surprising, like this person's dying of cancer and this person, you know, there
was a mass shooting and this bad thing happened and this is police brutality.
And I found it interesting that he talked about really bad things, but then went on
to say, don't worry, things will get better.
I do find that interesting.
So we'll talk about that.
While he was speaking, he lied about several things and was booed by members of the Republican
Party.
And then of course, we had today a hearing with the Twitter executives from before Elon
Musk.
And we had some, I think, justified questions as well as some performative outrage.
So we're going to be hanging out with a slew of Republican members of Congress to talk about just about everything.
And I gotta tell you guys, I hope you can hear it, and I hope it's coming in.
Serge and Andrew were able to put this podcast studio together in a matter of a couple hours.
We, like, rushed from the studio, bring it down, there's cameras and everything set up.
And I gotta admit, it was quite difficult.
Some things weren't working, but I think we figured out to a good enough degree that we're actually gonna be able to do a show.
But we're probably not gonna have any clips or displays or articles.
We're just gonna talk about what's going on.
So it should be fun.
Thank you all so much for joining us and become a member at timcast.com to support our work.
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At least that's the hope.
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Joining us tonight, we have sitting with us right now is Congressman Lauren Boebert.
unidentified
So great to be here.
lauren boebert
Thanks so much for joining us here in Washington, D.C.
in my congressional office.
This is fantastic.
tim pool
This is kind of crazy.
unidentified
Yes.
lauren boebert
It took me two months to set this office up.
I just moved in here and we just had to undo everything.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
Nice.
lauren boebert
Totally worth it.
tim pool
It's very cool.
And thanks for inviting us.
This is kind of wild.
We came up with it like the last minute on Friday.
Your communications people were like, hey, come and build a studio down here.
And I was like, OK, that sounds fun.
So creative.
lauren boebert
I love it.
tim pool
Yeah.
So do you want to introduce yourself briefly for those who... I think everybody knows who you are, but...
Oh, sorry.
Her audio is really low.
Do you see that?
No audio.
Uh-oh.
ian crossland
Bring it up.
tim pool
What about that microphone?
You see, this is what happens when you build a podcast.
ian crossland
Lauren Boebert is the Congresswoman of Colorado.
I'm not going to speak for you the whole show.
unidentified
That's weird.
ian crossland
I can hear it.
unidentified
Marco.
ian crossland
Yeah, I can hear me.
Brian says there's no volume on Lauren's mic.
tim pool
That's weird, I can hear it.
ian crossland
Marco?
lauren boebert
Yeah, I can hear me.
unidentified
Brian says there's no volume on Lauren's mic.
Okay, I can hear me in the headset.
lauren boebert
Oh, okay.
We're really doing it live, team.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, and Hannah Claire doesn't have no audio on your mic, either.
lauren boebert
There's no audio on this one?
tim pool
Nope.
This is what happens when you try to set up a podcast studio in two hours.
I told you guys, I said, I'm surprised we got half as good as we did.
ian crossland
You know what?
You want to switch seats with me?
In the meantime, Lauren, let's come over here and talk to Tim.
tim pool
Well, I'm talking, that worked.
And the light is so much brighter over here, too, for some reason.
All right, now you can introduce yourself.
lauren boebert
All right, well, I am Congresswoman Lauren Boebert, and I represent Colorado's third district, so I'm on the western slope of Colorado.
That's where I live.
And, you know, it's a fantastic district.
I represent about half the state of Colorado, and it's a beautiful country.
Unfortunately, you know, a lot of Californians have come into Colorado and have been taking over But I didn't want to be in politics.
That wasn't my inspiration ever in life.
I'm a mom of four boys.
I was a small business owner, owned a few restaurants.
One of them had a lot of national notoriety, Shooter's Grill.
All of the waitresses open carried firearms.
And so that frustration really led me to say, you know, I'm going to do my part to serve.
You know, they would say one thing on the campaign trail, and then they would get to
where we send them, and they would do something completely different.
None of them would govern as they campaigned.
And so that frustration really led me to say, you know, I'm going to do my part to serve.
I'm going to step up.
and do what I can to make things right and get our country back on track.
So I'm here, this is my second term in Congress, and it's been amazing to stand up for the people,
to fight for the people, and there's been some really fun fights that we've had.
tim pool
Yeah, there's pictures of you yelling at the president, I think.
lauren boebert
Yeah, a little bit.
Well, you know, when, gosh, Joe Biden was going to completely skip over the 13 American heroes who died on his watch in Afghanistan, and I wasn't going to let that happen.
And so I was sure to remind him that he sent them home in flag-draped coffins, 13 of them.
And even his press secretary at the time, his spin doctor, Jen Psaki, she came on the next day to say that he didn't have time to talk about them.
And he said, you know, that's really evident, actually, because he didn't have time for
them when they were brought home to Dover, either.
So it's a total disgrace.
And actually, last night at the State of the Union, again, he did not mention these 13
American heroes who died on his watch from that horrible, shameful withdrawal in Afghanistan.
tim pool
It's the biggest mistake I've ever made.
Damn, well it's a surrender.
He surrendered to America.
lauren boebert
Damn, because what he's saying is good.
No, it was a surrender.
You're absolutely right.
That was a surrender to the Taliban.
And we left $86 billion in military equipment, the finest military equipment in the world, right there in the hands of the Taliban.
You know, I think rather than sending Ukraine $110 billion, we should be going and getting that military equipment instead of sending Ukraine tanks and the fighter jets that they're wanting.
Well, let's go get that stuff.
Help them out with that.
tim pool
What is it?
It's the cable's bad.
Well, nobody can hear you, Ian, so it's like Ian's desperately trying to talk to people.
Maybe, maybe... What's going on?
Okay, well, look, ladies and gentlemen, as I stated, we rushed down to DC, it's like an hour and ten or so minutes drive, and then Serge and Andrew quickly put this whole thing together.
Everybody can hear Ian and Hannah Claire in the headsets, but for some reason it's not coming through to you guys.
But we're going to have a—either way, it'll be fun, because not only do we have Congresswoman Lauren Boebert sitting right here, taking Ian's seat for the time being, but Jim Jordan's coming down.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Byron Donalds, Ana Paulina Luna.
lauren boebert
Yes, Matt Gaetz.
tim pool
Matt Gaetz.
lauren boebert
Yes.
tim pool
So we'll just talk about all this stuff.
And it's going to be somewhat different from how we normally do things, because normally we do segments, we have clips, we have articles and stuff to pull up.
But I think for now, considering the technical difficulties, we should just talk.
Is that—Matt Gaetz is in the chat.
So, let's just get started while they try and fix these microphones, and I suppose we'll just talk, Congresswoman.
So, where should we start?
Should we start with the State of the Union or the Twitter stuff?
What do you think?
lauren boebert
Oh gosh, there's so much to start with.
I mean, we started this whole year with an explosive debate, and it hasn't stopped.
We haven't slowed up.
So, sure, let's talk about the State of the Union.
tim pool
State of the Union.
So here's what, we watched it live.
We provided commentary.
I do think one of the funniest things about it is that Jack Posobiec leaked the script, his entire script,
in the middle of his speech.
So we're watching, we've got 40 some odd thousand live viewers at the time, and I'm reading his words
before he even says them.
Which I get it, they have speech writers, but it really did make it feel so much more plastic.
Like someone wrote this for him, and he was just saying whatever.
It didn't feel real.
It felt to me like he was saying a bunch of bad things were happening.
lauren boebert
Yes, yes he was.
tim pool
Police brutality killed this person.
You know, he didn't mention people are smuggling eggs over the Mexican border.
But he said a lot of, don't worry, we will do things in the future.
lauren boebert
His party has been in power for the past two years, and they've done nothing but destroy our country and make it worse and increase inflation and open our borders.
So why didn't they do it then?
You know, we're battling this in committee right now on natural resources and oversight.
Democrats are saying, you know, we want to work to do this.
We want to work to secure the border and have immigration reform.
Well, why didn't you do any of it in the last two years?
You had every ability to pass whatever you wanted, and you didn't.
And Tim, I kind of wish I would have had his script, because Matt Gaetz and I were sitting together on the House floor, and we were wishing that Joe Biden would just turn around the teleprompter so we could read it ourselves, because half the time we were saying, what did he just say?
We think he's talking about big tech?
I don't know.
tim pool
There was a crazy point where he said, you could see in the closed caption, he said, if Republicans try to raise the cost of prescription drugs, I will veto it.
But what he actually said was, if Republicans try to raise the cost of prescription drugs, I'll veto it!
And the Democrats all stood up and started clapping for it.
And I was like, what are they clapping for?
Ian's trying so hard to talk.
lauren boebert
Well, see, what y'all couldn't see were the applause lights flashing.
tim pool
Yeah, but let me ask you about one of the most contentious moments.
He said that Republicans want to do away with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and then immediately the Republicans start booing and saying no.
I can say from what I've seen from the speeches and from the news reports, that's not true, and I can only assume he's lying on purpose for political power.
lauren boebert
Right, because they saw how effective this was when Paul Ryan started talking about Social Security and Medicare.
And, you know, he's pushing Granny off a hill.
He's going to kill Granny.
And they saw the effectiveness in that and haven't stopped.
Even in my first election, the Democrat that I was running against was saying that I was going against these things.
I was like, this hasn't been on any of my talking points.
This isn't part of any of my contract with Colorado that I've laid out and what I plan to do when I get to Washington, D.C.
And so they're just starting this rhetoric all over again because they want to scare people.
They understand the power of fear.
And that's how they govern.
And I won't govern out of fear.
I won't be governed by fear.
And they see this as a powerful tool to just scare people into falling in line.
tim pool
One of the things that I've been talking about for the past couple days, egg prices.
Because I don't know if you know, if you follow the show, I'm a big fan of chickens.
Because we have chickens sitting, we have chickens all over the place.
And it's somewhat of a joke when I talk about, hey everybody, get out of the cities, get some animals, get chickens.
And it's funny because it's meant to be somewhat silly because I find chickens to be entertaining.
But then we get this egg crisis.
lauren boebert
Do you put pants on them?
tim pool
They have armor, actually.
They have the big straps on their shoulders.
Perfect.
Well, it's because the roosters can be a little rough, you know, when they take what they want.
But no, now we're dealing with an egg and chicken shortage, which has been coming in and out, actually.
And what I'm hearing from a lot of the more liberal people is that, well, no, this is caused by the avian flu, which doesn't explain why people are smuggling eggs from Mexico into the United States, which is more indicative of a policy problem that's not being taken care of or fixed.
So... Oh, is that... Are we getting somewhere?
lauren boebert
Nope.
tim pool
But in that regard, I guess my question for you is, what do you think should be done right now that would help lower the cost of food, maybe increase wages?
What are some economic ideas that you think the Republicans could implement?
lauren boebert
I mean, obviously, we're working on the spending.
There's been reckless spending here in Washington, D.C.
And rightfully, both parties are to blame for that.
But the past two years, it's just been absolute out of control spending.
Whatever you want, you get a stimulus check.
And we're increasing all of these spending bills by trillions of dollars.
We're given less than 24 hours to actually read the bills before we vote on them.
So that's obviously a big factor.
So we're going to tackle that.
Debt ceiling debate here in the upcoming months.
But also American energy.
I mean, let's get us energy independent again.
Joe Biden surrendered that.
You talk about surrender.
He surrendered our American energy on day one in his office at the stroke of a pen.
And so let's drill here responsibly.
Let's have American energy and produce that reliably and affordably for Americans.
I mean, those those two things right there coupled together lower inflation and help Americans get out of this mess.
tim pool
Biden literally campaigned on ending fossil fuels.
lauren boebert
Yes.
tim pool
He was on the debate stage saying that he will work to end fossil fuels in this country.
Then he does these State of the Union addresses, not just this one, but the past one, where he's talking about how he's going to help.
But he's not.
In fact, we just got new emails released.
The Daily Mail reported this.
Hunter Biden laptop emails showing that Joe and Hunter were working on a deal to sell natural gas from Louisiana to China.
Right now, I think I think it was after he was vice president before he became president.
But I mean, it's clearly based on what he said and what he's done as a private business person in between his public office.
He seems to be more interested in selling off our energy and shutting it down.
lauren boebert
Yes, absolutely.
Well, I mean, even emptying our strategic petroleum, petroleum reserves, that was in the name of a midterm election.
This was for emergencies.
And he did it to win political points with voters.
But no, he's absolutely shutting down American energy.
And even in the State of the Union last night, Joe Biden's like, hey, look, I get it.
Oil!
unidentified
We got at least a decade left of it!
lauren boebert
The entire Republican Party just erupted in laughter at him.
So he did campaign on canceling fossil fuels, and he did it on day one.
On day one, there was all of these executive orders that came out, moratoriums on leases on federal lands and ending fracking in Colorado's
western slope.
We used to have 112 rigs drilling.
Now we have four.
Our communities have been regulated into poverty.
And it's really unfortunate because we produce the cleanest energy and nobody does it better
than American energy producers.
And he's shutting it all down.
tim pool
You know what I think is worrying with all of this?
Joe Biden can do all of these things.
He can put a moratorium on oil and gas leases on federal land.
He can shut down the Keystone Pipeline.
Regular people can't understand how that leads to higher gas prices because it's a bit outside
of the common knowledge.
And I'm not trying to be disrespectful to anybody who doesn't get it, but we've talked
about it on this show.
When he shuts down Keystone, we get the talking points in the media that this thing was never
delivering oil in the first place, therefore it doesn't matter.
On this show, we explain speculation.
That if right now they're telling you in the next five years we will not be able to meet demand because transportation will be unavailable, that means supply will be constrained.
This causes people to speculate the prices are going to go up, which causes the immediate effect of them buying as much as possible, which drives prices up.
lauren boebert
Yes.
tim pool
So it's all interconnected and I wish it was much simpler than this, but I can put it simply when you've got California, Oregon, Washington saying we're to ban gas cars.
Yeah, their agenda is clearly aligned with shutting down fossil fuels because they're concerned about climate change.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Look, fine.
I mean, if they're concerned about this stuff, I get it.
I think, you know, there's pollution, pollution bad, and all this stuff.
But this idea that we get from the more extreme elements of this movement, notably Greta Thunberg, Which is, she outright said, we want to shut down fossil fuels now.
We don't want to wait.
Like, that would result in 60 million dead around the world within like a day or so.
lauren boebert
Absolutely.
You know, fossil fuels have lifted so many people out of poverty.
And they do want it shut down.
And even when California said, you know, we're going to ban gas vehicles.
Well, the very next week they said, hey, please don't charge your electric vehicles because our grid can't handle it.
I mean, that was the very next week.
And so their policies do not work.
They're not effective, but they are effective in their messaging and they're doing everything that they can to destroy it.
If they want to talk about climate change, well, I mean, I have forestry legislation that deals with that very issue.
And look, I'm not here to deny climate change.
It's real.
It happens four times every year.
I'll go on the record and say it.
But if carbon emissions, if that's your problem, well then let's manage our forests.
Because one catastrophic wildfire emits more carbon emissions in a few short days than every vehicle in my state of Colorado running 24-7 for an entire year.
unidentified
You know, I don't know if it's coming through on YouTube, nothing?
Nope.
ian crossland
Well, I'll tell you guys.
It's not the carbon that's in the atmosphere that's the problem. And if we can pull it
out of the atmosphere, which we can, and turn it into graphene and re-industrialize our country, I mean, it's waiting for
us to take.
And it's going to become competition for the carbon in the air. The Chinese CCP is going to start attempting to strip
unidentified
it out faster than we can, so if we don't work together...
Hi everyone! Hi, can you hear me? Tell me. Good. Please, you can hear me.
No, I don't... It's just proof of life.
tim pool
Well, so, you know, look, I understand people are concerned about carbon emissions, and I think there's like a rudimentary—there's something basic that people can understand in The more people you have, the more energy you consume, the more waste products are produced, the more pollution you get.
And I think the simplest, the best way it's been explained by a lot of conservatives is we must be good stewards of the earth.
lauren boebert
Right.
tim pool
But I'm sorry, as much as, you know, I'll back up.
I used to work for Greenpeace.
Briefly.
I worked for an organization called Environment America.
I actually went around telling people like, hey, we got to be good stewards of the earth.
We got to protect the forest.
We got to clean this stuff up.
And then I got really confused when I'd hear stories about politicians buying beachfront
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
property while telling me that they're going to be swept up in the oceans.
And so my thought was either they don't care about what happens to the rest, what happens
to this planet in 20 or 30 years.
If they're coming out saying we're going to work these it's going to be wiped out in 20
years but then they buy the property they clearly don't care.
Or they're just lying.
ian crossland
Right.
No you're not.
tim pool
I'm just kidding.
No, you're not.
ian crossland
Let's make sure you're really on first.
unidentified
internet's are saying everybody can hear me so you want to swap back Lauren?
lauren boebert
Let's make sure you're really on first.
ian crossland
And also did you guys hear me talking about carbon sequestration?
lauren boebert
Because darn it that was good stuff.
ian crossland
Carbon is so valuable.
People don't understand it yet.
tim pool
No audio from Ian.
So we have an audio meter it's showing like Ian you're not coming in.
Yeah so we can hear you in the headphones but no one can hear you on the show.
So I don't know you can maybe bring the chair over here and then I'll just swing the mic
around to you.
unidentified
No?
tim pool
Some people say yes some people say no.
You know what.
unidentified
Brian's.
tim pool
Brian says no.
lauren boebert
Maybe some people are picking up the feedback from the other mics.
tim pool
Yeah, like you might be able to hear something faint in the background.
Well, I don't know.
See if...
I don't know, man.
Look, we threw this together in a couple hours.
It is what it is.
So let's just...
We'll just keep talking, I suppose.
You know, I don't know if Ian, you want to pull up a chair or something?
I'm going to go look at OBS with Serge.
Ian's going to try and see what he can figure out with this stuff.
But yeah, so look.
I grew up in the city.
I grew up in Chicago.
I grew up surrounded by liberals.
I grew up surrounded by Democrats.
And it all makes sense to me.
When you hear stories about dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico where life can't exist, when you hear about the mercury levels in our fish, I'm like, hey, these things sound really, really bad.
I would like to have ecological balance.
I'd like to clean up pollution.
I don't like the idea of big garbage dumps.
I'm concerned about the pollution produced by big cities.
And then I just don't trust them.
So we actually did this.
We pulled up the NOAA or the IPCC, the Climate Change Panel.
We looked at their projections for Obama's property at Martha's Vineyard.
It will be underwater.
unidentified
Right.
lauren boebert
According to their predictions.
tim pool
Yeah, and that wasn't even their worst case predictions.
It was like, moderate predictions of sea level rise puts half his property underwater in 10 or 20 years.
lauren boebert
Right.
tim pool
And I'm just kind of like, well, does he really care about this?
Because if what he and all the rest of them are saying is true, does he not care that he's spending $10 million on property that'll be worthless soon?
lauren boebert
Right.
tim pool
That's why I can't trust it.
lauren boebert
Right, absolutely.
You know, I was wondering why AOC got so worked up over Ilhan Omar not being able to serve on a certain committee when the world's going to end in six years anyway.
tim pool
Yeah, they tend to keep saying this and then people just end up not wanting to believe it, which is... Did you guys figure it out?
I don't know, I just turned it off and on.
Nope.
lauren boebert
Turned it off and on.
unidentified
It's still not working!
lauren boebert
Unplug it, plug it back in.
tim pool
No, but we can continue.
So, anyway.
ian crossland
Are you guys friends?
You and Ilhan?
tim pool
I'll relay that.
Are you friends with the squad members?
lauren boebert
No, I pretty much have to take the stairs now because I'm not allowed in elevators with her.
tim pool
Wait, what?
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Well, so let's actually, yeah, this is an interesting question.
Look, I want to talk about the Twitter stuff too, but let me ask you about just the general feel in Congress.
What we see with AOC, especially today in the Twitter hearings, is outrage.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Over January 6, outrage over Republicans.
All of them, yes.
What's it like between, you know, the Freedom Caucus or just you personally and squad members?
lauren boebert
Well, I mean, I don't have a relationship with them.
You know, there were some things that obviously, you know, we kind of sided with them on some of the issues when we were in the minority because they were trying to kick against their party.
And we were all for that.
But I don't have that relationship.
And, you know, it's really hard to To take anything these guys say seriously because everything out of their mouth starts with MAGA Republicans did this and January 6th and insurrectionists and you know all of this rhetoric instead of actually just talking policy and talking solutions.
Let's have a conversation.
They were saying that today's Twitter file hearings regarding The Hunter Biden laptop that was suppressed by Twitter, by these Twitter executives, that was a waste of time and that we need to move on.
How is defending free speech and holding people to account a waste of anyone's time?
We are the Oversight and Accountability Committee.
We are there to have congressional oversight.
We believe that there was collusion between the federal government and with Twitter, with big tech.
And so we were having congressional oversight into what actually happened.
Was there collusion with the federal government and these companies?
And then I expect accountability to come out of this as well.
tim pool
Yeah, I think it's because it benefits their party.
This is the strangest thing.
When AOC gets elected, when she defeats, I think it was Crowley back in 2018, he was like the fourth highest ranking Democrat at the time.
She wins.
I actually cheered for her.
I said, good, screw the establishment.
These people have been in power.
They've not done anything.
If some young upstart comes in and pushes them out, let's see it.
But now it seems like AOC is just saying whatever the establishment wants her to say.
She's completely in line.
She's voting on the same war stuff.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
She's saying, oh, the Hunter Biden laptop stuff, no issue.
We shouldn't even talk about it.
lauren boebert
She said it was it was half true.
tim pool
Why does she why is she I guess, you know, my I'll put it this way.
When we walked into the office, I saw you on the live TV talking about illegal immigrants voting
in D.C. And I thought to myself, how did something like that become partisan?
How is it that there are issues that are so obvious?
A big corporation, a multinational corporation with billionaire foreign investors, at the time, Elon Musk now has taken over and we can make an argument about that, but at the time you had foreign investors and foreign interests involved in a multinational corporation that was suppressing the speech of not just conservatives, though mostly conservatives, but even some anti-war leftists got caught up in this.
Yet, they are completely like, no, no, no, who cares, who cares, everybody, nothing to see here.
And I'm just confused as to how that's a left or right issue.
I mean, I get it.
It benefits their party, right?
lauren boebert
And the narrative that they've been pushing as well.
I mean, look, they are for wide open borders.
That's why they have done nothing to secure our southern border.
That's why we're seeing nearly 5 million people come into our country illegally that we know of.
That doesn't even count the unknown gotaways that we have no idea who they are, what they're bringing into our country.
And so this is a part of their party platform at this point.
And so of course they want them to vote.
They're inviting them in.
They're allowing them to come in.
And they're promising them free health care, free college, free education, free lawyers, free cell phones, anything else you want.
And they're really treating our country like an Oprah Winfrey show.
And now they're saying you get a vote too.
And this should not be a partisan issue.
This should be something that We all unite and say no, only American citizens can vote in United States elections.
tim pool
You know what I find?
I definitely want to go back to the immigration thing too, but in terms of like the Twitter stuff, we've invited often many people on this show who are more left-leaning and only a very small number of them actually come on, but there's one thing that's consistent every time they do, they don't know what they're talking about.
And I mean that with all due respect. I think the most well-read individual we've had on the show
is Vosch. I'm not sure if you're familiar with him. He's a YouTuber. He's a socialist guy.
And there was a lot he didn't know, but there was a lot he did know. And I can respect that.
I just think he's wrong on his opinions, socialism, etc.
But we had people on who I asked them about Ukraine. I asked them about issues at the
border, and they literally don't know what's going on.
You ask them, remember when Donald Trump said coyotes are coming across the border?
lauren boebert
Right, yes.
Yes, I do remember that.
tim pool
The media made fun of him because they thought he was talking about animals carrying babies.
lauren boebert
Animals, right.
unidentified
Yes, no.
tim pool
How do you debate someone in Congress?
How do you pass a bill when you say, hey, coyotes are bad, and they go, animals?
lauren boebert
Right, because most of this is a facade.
You have 25-year-old staffers give you your talking points, you go down, you read them at the mic, and then you leave when you're done and you vote the way your party tells you how you're wrecked.
A lot of members don't talk about the legislation that they're voting on before they vote on it.
They go down there and say, Is this a yes or a no?
How's the party voting?
And really, it's just a numbers game.
You have the majority, you get it passed.
Now, I do think that the way that we have changed the way Congress operates, that that did kind of help that a little bit.
And members have to pay attention to what they're doing.
And even the party has to pay attention to what we are wanting, because they've seen that any five members at any time can take down a bill, can take down a rule.
And so they have to pay attention more and have more communication and dialogue.
tim pool
Are you a Ron Paul fan?
Yeah.
I'm curious about that.
I feel like, you know, when I was younger and I started learning more about Congress and politics, Ron Paul was getting very, very popular, you know, end of the 2000s.
And it's because he's a very libertarian guy.
He talks about personal responsibility and things like that.
And that said a lot to me.
The point I made at the time was, Look, you know, I may not agree with him on some of his more conservative viewpoints and religious viewpoints, but then he comes and says, yeah, but I'll leave you alone.
And I'm like, oh, OK, you know, I can support that.
lauren boebert
Yes, just get government off my back.
Well, yeah, and obviously Rand Paul's doing a great job.
And then Thomas Massey, I mean, he came to Congress and he picked up a lot of Ron Paul's bills when he came here.
So he's someone who said, this guy's doing it right.
I want to introduce the legislation he was introducing.
And I mean, Thomas Massey, I mean, he's more libertarian leaning.
Than most members here.
And so he's a wonderful ally to have.
He and I co-chair the Second Amendment Caucus together.
But he wants to limit the federal government, limit spending, and make sure Americans are still free.
tim pool
So let's go back to the Twitter stuff.
The reason I brought up Ron Paul was because at the beginning of this big social media push we saw that Ron Paul love revolution thing.
And I kind of feel like many members of Congress today that we like, Freedom Caucus types or the people who stood up against the establishment who refused to vote for Kevin McCarthy, we had a good laugh about that.
It seems like A lot of this may have been inspired by that time, by that,
you know, Ron Paul revolution.
So it got me thinking about that with social media today and the manipulation of big tech
and the censorship of ideas. When we have people on the show and they don't know what's going on,
what we're talking about, like this is the problem. AOC goes up before these executives
and outright says this was a 24, what did you call it, a 24-hour mistake or something on Twitter
that doesn't matter and we're wasting public resources. She said that libs of tick tock
spread lies about the Boston children's hospital providing hysterectomies.
However, on their own website, there was a video, or I should say this, there is a video of a woman from the Boston Children's Hospital explaining what a hysterectomy is, and they say on their website that, or it's been reportedly, as people have been sharing, they provided hysterectomies to adolescents.
Now AOC doesn't know that, or she's lying.
I guess I'll ask you, do you think she's lying or do you think she just doesn't know?
lauren boebert
I think she's saying what she was told to say.
I mean, it's as simple as that.
It's a little bit of both.
Yeah.
Whether it's an outright lie or doesn't want to believe the truth, doesn't want to hear something else, this is what she has heard and that is what she is regurgitating.
unidentified
Man.
I'm coming into bat again.
lauren boebert
Can you hear me chat?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
You're not coming through.
unidentified
Or you can pull the chair up and we can swing the mic over.
tim pool
Yep, or you can pull a chair up and we can swing the mic over.
ian crossland
We might, because we're going to have two people at a time, that's the plan, so maybe we can let you in.
tim pool
But, yeah, so there's no audio coming through when you talk.
But I guess we'll just keep going unless you want to pull up a chair.
So I can hear Ian talking, but I can see on the monitor they are not going into YouTube.
The soundboard is not delivering their microphones to the computer.
So one option is to... I know exactly what the problem is, but there's no way to fix it in real time.
It's an issue we've dealt with with new computers before, where you have to change a stereo mono setting or something like this, because there's two channels, but the board is...
The board is only delivering one of its channels to the computer, which is why we're not getting audio from the other microphones.
So it is what it is.
I don't think we'll be able to fix it.
So we'll just, you know, we'll hang out.
We'll do what we can.
Ian, we can have you come and sit over here.
We'll throw you the microphone when you can.
But yeah, so back to the Twitter stuff, because I don't want to keep wasting time talking about the fact that our audio is not working.
It is what it is.
One thing that we've talked about in the show is cultural decay, the dark direction this country is headed if we can't solve this.
But the way I've described it is, if you have a person who has become hypoxic, low oxygen in the brain, they can't think straight.
They will not be able to right themselves to save themselves.
So that's why when you're on an airplane, they say, put on your own oxygen mask before the person next to you.
If half of our country is effectively hypoxic due to bad information, lies, and fake news from the media, so they're not thinking clearly, but they're still voting, how is this country supposed to right itself when one lobe has been, you know, starved of oxygen?
lauren boebert
Yes, that's why it is so important for us to have these hearings and investigations.
Look, we don't have the Senate, we don't have the White House, but we do have the House.
We have oversight capabilities so we can begin to expose this truth, expose the mainstream media, expose big tech and what they have been doing and how they have been lying to the American people, what they've been covering up, the lull Um, that has been created by the narrative that they push, um, by, by the rhetoric, um, that, uh, they allow and then by, by the information that they suppress.
So that's why we are doing this in oversight.
So we can get that truth out to the American people because so many people do just listen to what they're told on TV, on, on, on Twitter, on social media and move on with their day.
Uh, so it's so important for people to know the truth was hidden from you on purpose.
tim pool
It's such a challenge every day to try and convince someone they're being lied to when they don't want to believe they're being lied to.
lauren boebert
No one wants to believe they're being lied to.
You want to think that you have control of your life, that people are trustworthy, that you can engage in these conversations and watch the news and be accurate and factual and go on with your day.
But I mean, the truth is, if you watch the news, you're misinformed, and if you don't, you're uninformed.
tim pool
Yep, think about it ideologically when I mentioned, you know, when we were talking about the non-citizens and illegal immigrants voting.
It's not just in DC, I mean New York has been, various parts of New York have been talking about it, various parts of California.
That to me shows there is a I don't know, it feels like the ship we're on has hit the iceberg, the Titanic has hit the iceberg, and it's sinking.
You cannot have a country if there's no borders, quite literally.
So we've actually talked about the definition of a country versus a nation, and I think a country requires sovereign borders that determine its jurisdiction or something to that effect, and a nation is a reference to culture and people.
But look, we've got people pouring across the border to the point where We can't track them.
There's drug smuggling.
There was just in Arizona, on the southern border, a man shot an illegal immigrant.
They charged him with first-degree murder.
So we have people entering this country.
We have children dying in the desert and in rivers because it's an extremely dangerous trip that's being encouraged effectively by the Biden administration and by various NGOs.
And then you have various parts of the country saying, let them vote.
And they're expanding that.
To me, it's like, hey, what's going on, man?
lauren boebert
Hey, Byron.
Byron Donalds.
We're missing a couple mics here, so I'm going to switch spots here in a second.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll have you jump over in a second.
But just to wrap this thought up before we jump around.
That is the most immediate leak.
That people are entering this country illegally, that Democrats are calling for amnesty and for the right to vote.
The end result of that is clear.
There won't be a country.
lauren boebert
Correct.
And that's what they want.
They want to dismantle the system.
They want to create chaos.
They want the system to fail because they hate the system.
They hate everything that our country was founded on, and they want to start over.
So, I mean, this is no surprise that they're wanting everything to be different.
It's going to take eight to ten years just to process the people who came into our country illegally last year.
What about the ones who are coming into our country this year?
So all of this is to create chaos, to dismantle the system, and, you know, I could call their policies a failure, but truly they're a success because this is their intent.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think what's happening is the chaos that they're trying to sow is essentially the end of the liberal economic order after World War II.
The British and the French and the Americans were like, 1949, we're going to build this empire to prevent World War III.
So they did it.
Now, 70 years later, that order is fading.
And the new world order, they call it, is forming.
And so in order to form this order, they need to create chaos to create the order out of.
But I think there's a lot of useful idiots that are being swept up and like, Yeah, toxic compassion.
We need to help everybody.
Right.
Like I don't think Cortez, I don't get the vibe that she's like orchestrating the downfall of America.
I just think that she really cares about people and like that can take you to dark places if you...
tim pool
I'm not convinced that many of these Democrats actually care about people.
And I know it's just it's so cliche and tribalistic to say, to be sitting here with a Republican and we're like, oh, Democrats are bad.
But man, it's just so weird to see someone like AOC.
Let's just let's just be I hate being.
I hate giving the benefit of the doubt when she says the Boston Children's Hospital lives of TikTok.
Yoel Roth says, unfortunately, lives of TikTok is still there.
And it's just like, we have so much evidence.
Let's back away from that.
The Hunter Biden laptop, emails between Joe and Hunter.
I'm sorry, not between Joe and Hunter, but emails between Hunter Biden and his associates.
unidentified
emails to Hunter Biden talking about sending a meeting with his dad.
Yeah.
tim pool
Tony Bobulinski, 10% for the big guy, private equity deals with China,
flying on Air Force Two, the Burisma deals.
I mean, I can cite so many different stories, factually proven that Joe Biden was doing these things.
And then when you talk to Democrats, they just either don't know,
don't care, don't believe you.
So to wrap it all together, I'm a bit pessimistic in can we inform people and get the right vote when we have two things going on.
One, these people, you look at what Adam Schiff did with the whole Russiagate stuff, with releasing private phone records, I mean some real dark and evil stuff.
Lies, manipulations, impeachments.
When Donald Trump, I believe, stumbled upon the Ukrainegate scandal with Joe Biden and the billion dollars and firing the prosecutor, they immediately blamed him for what Joe Biden did and then impeached him.
lauren boebert
And impeached him for it.
For Joe Biden's crime, yeah.
tim pool
Exactly.
When you have that, And then you have universal mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting.
lauren boebert
Yeah.
tim pool
I gotta say, I hate this.
lauren boebert
It's Colorado.
tim pool
Right.
I'm not so optimistic.
I suppose Republicans could launch a massive ballot harvesting campaign.
And if that's the case, then I'm not sure standing up and educating people matters as much as just knocking on their door and saying, fill it out.
lauren boebert
Right.
unidentified
Yes.
lauren boebert
So, you know, in Colorado, you know, we're trying to get those ballot harvesting campaigns in place.
We have to play by their game.
It's legal in Colorado and we're not doing it because we're not for it but they're doing that and they're winning the elections.
Colorado is turning bluer and bluer.
We just lost our our gubernatorial race by 20 points.
I mean this is absurd.
My district's always been very conservative and you know won by 546 votes so we have to start playing by their games but you know I agree with you.
I'm I can't relate to it, man.
You know, I can't relate to, they just want to win for the sake of winning.
and winning and and having control and one of the things that they love the
unidentified
most is controlling people. That's very obvious. I can't relate to it man. You
tim pool
know I I can't relate to they just want to win for the sake of winning. I don't
know what they see in the future. You know I think about traditional family
values as as somebody who's again from a very liberal area where there's no
Republicans at all.
Chicago's been run by Democrats for a hundred years or whatever.
And I think about, you know, why do we want traditional family values?
Well, we want humans to succeed.
We want humans to thrive.
We want humans to be happier.
We want them to be better off.
We want to find ways to make life better for everybody.
But it seems like the policy positions that they put forward do the opposite.
I talk often about why it is that in big cities, typically they're run by Democrats, typically crime is through the roof.
And then we literally watch throughout the past several years, crime getting worse in these cities as they release more criminals.
Now you've got, there was this viral video out of New York where, it wasn't a viral video, it was a viral story where a meteorologist was mercilessly beaten by teenagers.
And the city said, we will not criminally charge these teenagers.
And I'm just like, Are they trying to destroy or do they just not care and they're extracting as much as they can as the whole thing crumbles?
lauren boebert
I think it's all of it.
Yeah.
I do.
They want to be in power.
They want to run things their way and they know they have to completely blow it up to be able to reconstruct whatever it is that they're seeing their utopia as.
But their utopia isn't going to work.
We have a system that works.
ian crossland
It feels like the mass printing of money as an attempt to destabilize.
Oh my gosh.
I'll put that back on.
Ladies and gentlemen.
But what's happening is they're printing it in the guise of modern monetary theory, MMT, because they think if they print enough, you've got to reinvest it in infrastructure.
The thing that they're doing is they didn't put it in infrastructure.
They just put in people's bank accounts.
So they're actually building like factories that will produce the product to make up for the lost money.
tim pool
Ian knocked the mic off.
They're gutting them.
I mean, you know, look.
lauren boebert
We got the money guy here.
tim pool
You want to talk about... Byron, you want to jump in?
lauren boebert
Come in here, Byron.
Let's talk finances with him.
tim pool
Look, hey, I'd like to see Tucker Carlson try this, huh?
Ian busted the mic.
Can you get it?
Ian was trying to grab the mic.
All right.
Congressman Donalds.
byron donalds
What's up?
tim pool
How's it going, man?
Good to see you.
byron donalds
You know.
tim pool
What's your view of things?
How's it going?
We just had those hearings on big tech and social media.
byron donalds
Yes.
So look, the first thing is, I'm just happy I made my colleague's Wall of Fame over here.
You know, Brett Boebert.
We were over here in Texas, at the gun range in Texas, and so I was looking at the Wall of Fame, and I was like, dang, I don't take enough pictures with Boebert.
And I was like, oh shoot, I made the Wall of Fame in the corner!
So I'm happy about that.
The Wall of Fame, and show the people the Wall of Fame, show the people.
All right, so listen, what I want to tell everybody real quick is about the .50 cal that I'm holding in my hand.
So here's the funny story.
They brought the rifle out and so they were like, give it to Bobert.
And so I'm like, the rifle's bigger than her.
Like what is going on?
But she's holding it like a boss, like a champion.
She's holding the thing.
And so I'm looking and I'm like, you know what?
I respect her for that.
And so she like looks at me and she's got the smile.
She goes, Byron, take the rifle.
So I'm like, all right, so I grab it with one arm, and she goes, Byron, take the rifle.
I'm like, Bobert, I got the rifle.
She's like, Byron, take the rifle.
Bobert, I got the rifle.
Don't worry about it.
So that was a funny story from that day.
It was a great event.
Great time.
You remember that event?
It was a great event.
lauren boebert
I couldn't even tell you were holding it.
You barely even got it.
byron donalds
What was the event?
Oh, we were doing a fundraiser at a gun range in Dallas.
I think it was, was it CPAC in Dallas at the time?
Yeah, it was CPAC in Dallas and really I crashed the fundraiser.
I wasn't supposed to be there.
I wasn't even a special guest.
I literally just crashed.
It was Beth Van Dyne, Ronnie Jackson, and Boebert and I got wind of it and I just said, you know what, I'll show up.
So it was a good time.
It was an awesome time.
I try to be supportive of my colleagues because this business is a crazy situation.
tim pool
Oh, this mic's really loud. We got a new mic and a new mic stand so it'll be easier to talk.
But I mean, that's cool. It's cool seeing people carrying guns. I think we got to repeal the NFA.
I think, I mean, I'm pretty, I went from being like a moderate gun control kind of guy.
We're like, well, you know, maybe we could have something to a staunch like not all legal, all of it all the time.
byron donalds
What do you think?
I think that's right.
Because here's the deal.
So I grew up in Brooklyn, New York.
So I'm gonna give you the full story.
I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, where, you know, gun ownership is taboo, you know, in the inner city.
The problem is, is that people have guns and people die, which is legit.
That's just the way of life growing up in the inner city.
And so the politicians and the media feed this narrative of, Oh my gosh, guns are evil.
So nobody can have them.
The truth of the matter is, is that if long body citizens had the ability to possess firearms with minimal restrictions, minimal restrictions, no restrictions, what you would see is the criminal element would understand.
You know what?
I can't.
act crazy because I'm not sure who's carrying.
The vast majority of people just want to live in harmony and peace with one another.
They're not trying to cause problems.
But when the criminal element understands that the politicians restrict gun ownership to the degree where normal people feel it's taboo and it's the wrong thing to do, it actually empowers the criminal element.
tim pool
It's kind of sad because that's, I just feel like, common sense obvious.
I've heard it a million times throughout my life.
That an unarmed society is a polite society.
If people in the cities were armed, then criminals would be scared of them because you have equal force to be used against you.
But it doesn't seem to get through to these gun control advocates.
And now we have Joe Biden coming out with the, what was his slogan?
Let's get the job done, or was it?
Finish the job.
byron donalds
I don't really know what he was talking about.
He was yelling too much for me.
tim pool
He was, he was slurring a bit too.
But he said, let's finish the job, ban assault weapons.
byron donalds
Right.
tim pool
And they can't even define what it is.
So this goes back to what I was just asking Congresswoman Boebert.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
How do you affect change in a positive direction through a logical lens to make things better if your political opponents don't know what they're talking about?
byron donalds
Well, the first part is, you know, I always go back to Gladiator.
I'm going to date myself a little bit.
You know, I'm 44.
tim pool
That movie with Russell- Listen, Gladiator was that movie.
unidentified
That was a good movie.
byron donalds
That was that movie.
And, you know, the advice- Yeah, Joaquin Phoenix.
The advice to, you know, to Russell Crowe, Maximus, in the movie was, you win the crowd, you win your freedom.
And so on a philosophical level, politics hasn't really changed.
Politics, the art of politics, is really about can you get enough people in the body populace, in the population, to be with you.
If you can get enough of them to be with you, then you have the political will to move the argument, to move the bill, to move the policy.
But if you never get the people to see your side and be on your side, you can't win your freedom.
That's the way you can actually, in some respects, break Washington loose.
Because for a long time, as a conservative, the media is against you, you know that.
Republicans largely have been terrible at messaging.
We know that.
So it ends up becoming people deciding to engage in politics and policy of their own volition, of their own passions.
And the nut, I think that, you know, I guess the new, the new age myself, Bobert and others, Gates and others that we're trying to crack is, Is there the possibility to get your average American to look at our arguments and be like, you know what?
That Byron dude is right.
I like what he's saying.
And that's the pathway.
tim pool
I think the internet helped.
Greatly.
byron donalds
Big time.
tim pool
But I also think there's an inverse reaction too because you end up with these people.
One of the examples of social media manipulation I've brought up is that imagine you're 10 years old in 2008.
Right.
Facebook is just coming into, you know, popularity and prominence, or it's getting bigger and bigger.
And these companies like BuzzFeed and Huffington Post find out that, you know what kind of article gets the most traffic?
Police Brutality.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
So they start making more and more and more of it.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Now you're a little kid and you're on Facebook and the only thing you see every single day is more and more videos of Police Brutality.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Rap songs about it.
I don't know if you've ever seen that rap song, This Is What Happens When You Call The Cops?
byron donalds
I mean, I'm a hip-hop kid, so I even go back to N.W.A., Ice Cube, Snoop.
You know, that's how far I go back.
tim pool
Yeah.
byron donalds
I'm a hip-hop kid.
I love hip-hop.
tim pool
So you're a little kid, and you're seeing nothing but this for 10 years.
10 years later, you're 18, you're ready to vote.
Your whole world is shaped around this idea that police are going around mercilessly murdering people and targeting black people, and it's just an extreme insane exaggeration built by social media manipulation.
So as much as the internet's empowered the ability of conservatives who tended to have
a bad message, bad messaging, or were locked out from the media, you end up with people who are
living in a deranged state, like Trump derangement syndrome from this stuff. Like how do you reach
these people? And I mean, how do you, it feels like the country's bifurcated the point where,
to put it another way, you've got the West Coast wanted to ban gas vehicles. You've got some states
banning child sex change operations, some states becoming sanctuaries for child sex
I don't see how you pull that stuff together.
How do you bring these cultures back together?
byron donalds
I mean, look, it's very difficult, but that's where programs like yours come in, you know?
I mean, Bobert was like, hey, Byron, you gotta come in and do this podcast tonight.
I said, you know, whose podcast are we doing?
She's like, I'm gonna tell you about them, it's great.
I said, alright, cool, I'm in, I'm gonna do it.
You have to do programming like this.
I think that the way that our party has done messaging is you deal with the Washington Post and New York Times.
MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC.
They hate your guts.
You know you're going to get a hard interview.
When Fox came along 30 years ago, Fox was like a revelation for the conservative movement and for the Republican Party.
Just being honest.
It was a revelation, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
byron donalds
But because young people taking information on this thing at warp speed, because I got three kids, they look at their phones.
They don't even watch TV anymore.
So I try to tell my colleagues, I'm like, guys, don't get me wrong, doing interviews is cool, but there's a whole nother ecosystem you have to penetrate.
How do you do it?
Do you do it through reels?
Do you do it with shorts?
Do you do it with responses to some narrative out of media?
And it's not just doing it once.
It's not just saying, oh, I went on, and this is no disrespect to Sean Hannity, love the dude, good dude, but it's not just doing a Hannity prime time hit.
It's are you in a rapid fire response, pushing narratives, pushing messages, what's actually happening, being able to explain the thing in 90 seconds.
Like, you don't have 20 minutes.
And don't get me wrong, look, I'm about as eloquent as they come.
People love listening to me.
I don't got 20 minutes.
I got 90 seconds to get this thing right.
tim pool
But think about even in Congress, you had what, five minutes to question Twitter?
byron donalds
Right.
tim pool
How do you get through a deep conversation to break down the issues that are negatively impacting this country if they're like, your five minutes begins now, good luck?
byron donalds
Well, that's why I try to change the rules.
So what I've been talking to the chairman and to the speaker was, we got to get out of this mindset of every member is recognized for five minutes.
That's ridiculous.
By the time you get warmed up, the time is over.
And then the other thing is, a lot of members waste time because they're trying to fill their time.
And then the third piece is, staff members write most of the questions in most of these speeches.
So you'll see the member like this, and they'll be reading their thing like this.
And they'll never look at the person sitting in the chair, their eyes are down because they're reading it.
You don't have an opportunity to engage in a legitimate dialogue on the issues presented.
So my position has always been, look, get rid of seniority recognition.
Get rid of the five minutes.
Have the chairman recognize members as they choose to be recognized.
What you would have is a dialogue between members, a dialogue with the witnesses, then you can get into a situation like that.
Oh, I don't have my five minutes.
I got one question.
I threw out a question.
Ocasio-Cortez does whatever she does on the other side.
I look at it like, oh, that's a bunch of BS.
Chairman, let me in.
I come back, fire back.
That's how you get the dialogue moving.
That's what Congress doesn't do.
tim pool
Right.
byron donalds
Because Congress is fixated on doing your clip for a newsreel that might show up in one of the network news shows at night or maybe the New York Times might report on it or the Philadelphia Inquirer or whatever or the LA Times.
We're in a different genre in media.
And so you've got to have that conflict in a positive way to get the message out to people to see what's really happening.
tim pool
What do you think about the squad?
How is your relationship with them?
byron donalds
So I talk to some of them on the side.
I just keep it professional.
Again, I grew up in the inner city.
So for me, it's never personal until you mess with my personal safety or my family or my money.
You do that, now it's personal.
Everything else is business.
ian crossland
Is that why in Congress, because people are getting, like, basically bribed by, you know, pharmaceutical companies, whoever, they're, what do they call them, lobbyists, that they actually feel like you're threatening their money if you're passing a bill that denies their lobbyists?
byron donalds
No, no, no, no, that's not even it, because the truth is about lobbyists is they're going to write you a check regardless.
What a lobbyist really wants is access.
They want to be able to be like, look, if I pass you a $5,000 check, if I call your staff or if I, if I happen to have your cell phone, will you answer my call and give me an opportunity to explain myself?
Lobbyists are counting votes, which also is what leadership in both chambers is doing.
They're counting votes.
That's all they're doing.
I tell people at home all the time, look, If you call my office, just you by yourself, I don't even know that you called.
If a hundred people called my office, my chief of staff knows and she's like, hey Byron, we had a hundred calls on this issue.
If a thousand people call, my whole office knows what's going on and I definitely know what's going on.
That's how this works.
The lobbyists, all they're doing is trying to have an ability to have a conversation with the member.
If you have members who change their opinions just because of what a lobbyist says, you got a weak member.
That person probably needs to go home and not be an elected official.
Real talk, right?
But the issue is not just the lobbyists per se.
When I talk about being able to talk with members on the other side, squad members, me and Jamal Bowman, we talk football.
We don't even talk politics.
We know we don't agree on politics.
So we're talking about the NFL.
We talk football.
And because we talk football, we have an ability to engage each other if there's something popping up where a conversation needs to be had.
With the squad members, For everybody who says, oh, Freedom Caucus members are always causing problems in Republican leadership, squad members cause problems in Democrat leadership.
They do the same thing on the other side, but our politics are so different.
That's why people think we're always at odds with them.
tim pool
They seem to be marching more in lockstep with the rest of the party these days, though, especially when it comes to war.
byron donalds
I would argue that what they've done on their side is they've gotten their party to march in lockstep with them.
unidentified
Wow.
byron donalds
You know how many Democrat members are afraid of being primaried by squad members or potential squad members?
A lot of them.
tim pool
I kind of like that, to be honest.
byron donalds
But I'm just keeping it real.
You know why Chuck Schumer was wilding out and starting to say all these positions?
He didn't want to be primaried by AOC, that's why.
tim pool
I hope she doesn't.
byron donalds
And look, me and Cortez, I talk to her every now and again, but Chuck Schumer, he didn't want that smoke.
I promise you that.
He didn't want that action.
tim pool
I gotta say about AOC, one of the biggest issues I have is she's talking about January 6th and she fabricated a story about what happened.
So she says that she's in her office and someone knocks on the door and then she hides in the bathroom and someone says, where is she?
Where is she?
And all that stuff.
Then you get the response from the conservatives saying she wasn't even in the Capitol building.
Then you get the response from the media saying, yeah, but they're all connected.
Then I looked at this and I was like, her story took place an hour before the Capitol was even breached.
Why would she hide in the bathroom thinking someone was coming for her unless she knew in advance people were going to break into the building?
Or are stories fake?
byron donalds
Well, I mean, look, she, you know, she lives by the drama code of politics.
You know, it's like the other thing where she was at the protest in front of the Supreme Court, and she tried to fake like she got arrested.
tim pool
Yeah, she put her hands behind her back.
byron donalds
She put her hands behind her back and raised her hand.
I'm like, come on, sis, you ain't getting no cuffs on you.
Because if you did, you couldn't, you know, it's stuff like that.
So she lives by the drama of politics.
It is what it is.
But I think that what has happened in both parties, Is that you've had the reflection of voters who are tired of establishment politics.
They're tired of being given a false narrative or a half a narrative that isn't really real.
That because there's some deal cut up here in Capitol Hill that the people don't know about, they're cut out of the process.
And so what we call the squad on the other side is really the culmination of the Occupy movement a decade ago.
What you call Freedom Caucus members on our side is really the fulfillment of the Tea Party wave 10 years ago.
Because voters on both sides of the political spectrum have had enough of business as usual in Washington, D.C.
That's actually a good thing.
So what's happened in the Democrat caucus is the reason why it appears that the squad just kind of goes along, they've actually moved their caucus on a myriad of issues.
Bro, they're out here talking about how it's cool to transgender kids.
Joe Biden, that was not his position a decade ago, I promise you that.
But the reason why he's gotta be cool with that now is because that is where the base of his party has gone, in part because of members like the Squad and activists in the Democrat base.
That's what's happened.
tim pool
I feel like that is a representation analogous to fire, a chaotic destructive force that is spreading.
Actually, you know what?
I don't think this.
I know this.
If you go to your average American and you show them the book Genderqueer, for instance.
You've heard about this book?
unidentified
I've heard about it.
tim pool
And it's got graphic images in it.
It's a pretty messed up book if you read the whole thing, too.
And it's sad.
This woman was traumatized.
But when I tell regular people this, and we live and work about a half an hour away from where that big Loudoun County fight was happening with these schools, they say, that's not true.
I say, here is a physical copy of the book, open it up.
They look at it and they say, this had to have been one school.
And so what you end up with is people like the squad.
People in their activist base, which I believe represents a very small percentage of this country, who are advocating for extremist policies, either open borders, abolishing private healthcare, child sex change operations, things like that.
And when you talk to regular Americans, they don't believe it's actually happening.
byron donalds
Right.
They don't.
ian crossland
I don't.
They actually want to abolish private health care?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Not just establish a public option?
byron donalds
The public option was a pathway to universal health care.
Always was.
And so one of the things when Scott Brown got elected in Massachusetts, the reason why Nancy Pelosi just pushed for Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act as was, is because she understood That if they did the push for a public option, it would have completely blown up the bill and there would be no Obamacare.
So her position was, let's just get the thing we got right now because we can't send it back to the Senate because we don't have 60 votes anymore.
We got 59.
And if it comes back this way, it's done.
And that's what happened.
So they're still mad because they thought the game plan was public option, because public option would have eviscerated private insurance.
Because everybody would have just dumped people into the public option.
That's what they wanted.
But it didn't happen because Scott Brown got elected.
Those are facts.
tim pool
Bernie Sanders campaigned during the 2020 election primaries, not on creating a private and public multifaceted system, but outright abolishing all private healthcare, which has never—it's not even—like, all the countries they tout in Europe, they have both.
byron donalds
They have both.
tim pool
Yeah, so I mean, even my advocacy, I've been like, you know, if a kid gets the flu, I think
it would be great if he could go to the doctor and get Tamiflu.
If you broke your arm, you could go in and get it taken care of.
You don't got to worry about going bankrupt.
I think a lot of Americans worry about that stuff.
And then if you get something like advanced lymphoma, which requires expensive bills,
you know, a certain amount of it is covered, but there's limitations to what we can provide.
So I'm not fully on board with we can cure every disease for every single person.
I'm in the middle where it's like it'd be nice if people had some basic level of coverage.
But what's being proposed by the progressives is one of the most extreme positions in the
world.
ian crossland
Right.
I understand socialized emergency care.
If someone falls down and breaks their arm and they are poor, you help that person.
But socialized chronic care... Which we basically have.
byron donalds
We have that now.
ian crossland
And that's cool because you want to save a life, save a life.
But when people eat themselves into sickness and then expect the taxpayer to cover their injections of random Pfizer drugs, I'm not into it.
I don't want to pay for people to eat sickness.
Like, sugar is horrible for your body if you overdose on that stuff.
byron donalds
I like Snickers, man.
Hold on, man.
I like Snickers.
Don't do that.
But I know your point.
I see your point.
I get your point.
I think the key thing is that, you know, the issue with the Democrats is it's never good enough.
They constantly are pushing for the next wave because what they fully ultimately want is Complete control of the industry.
That's what they want.
They'll never say that in campaigns.
They'll never say that in speeches.
But when you ask them, well, when is enough enough?
They'll be like, like Joe Biden said the other day, let's finish the job.
Well, finish what job, bro?
You just spent $5 trillion we don't have.
We're at the debt ceiling now.
You created a labor shortage in our economy.
When you pay people to stay home, what you do is create a labor shortage.
What do I mean by that?
Number one, you don't have to go work 40 hours because there's money coming in from somewhere else.
But you still have the same amount of money to buy products.
So people aren't working to the level necessary to create all the products at a certain cost.
But everybody's got money to buy it.
Well, what does that mean?
Heavy demand, limited supply means the prices go up.
That's what's happened in the economy.
Joe Biden did that.
You had the Inflation Reduction Act, which was like one of the biggest misnomers in American history.
That thing doesn't do anything for inflation.
It was the Green New Deal's little sister.
That's what it was.
That was in that bill.
The infrastructure bill was a prelude to Build Back Better.
They just couldn't get the votes because he wanted to spend too much money.
If Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema were like, yeah, we're cool spending another $4 trillion, Build Back Better would have been law.
Facts.
That's the deal.
So where we're at right now, you got to understand a couple of things.
One, you cannot just spend money recklessly.
The laws of economics don't change.
I don't care who you are.
I don't care how well you speak.
I don't care how cool you are.
I don't care what your fit looks like.
You cannot spend money unilaterally.
The laws of economics don't change.
It hits everybody.
Don't believe me?
Ask the Weimar Republic.
tim pool
So people super chatted us the other day when he said, let's finish the job.
We had a great super chat.
Sorry, I forget.
I can't remember the name of the individual who chatted us, but he said he's referring to jamming the knife in the back of the gasping corpse of the economy.
He's saying, let's finish it off.
And to those that know his policies have resulted in damage, chaos, inflation, et cetera, it sounds like he's saying, let's make it worse.
byron donalds
I'm not a tinfoil hat guy.
That's not me.
I'm a city kid, man.
I deal in common sense.
My grandmother, God rest her soul, was from Jamaica.
She would always be like, Byron, you have to have common sense.
Boy, you must think right.
That was her.
I deal in common sense.
But when you look at the policy outcomes of where they want to take us, that's only because the only way you can fundamentally make changes in our economy, which is the best by far the best in the history of the world, is you have to make it so hard.
To earn money, you have to make it so difficult to keep wealth that there has to be some fix from Washington D.C.
And the fix is only more control up here with people who, frankly, with all due respect to my colleagues, they don't have the intellect to manage your life.
They don't have it.
ian crossland
I know one thing that they've done, we got a bunch of new people coming in.
unidentified
Oh!
byron donalds
Is that who that is?
ian crossland
A lot of the, when they printed all this money, they're telling American people that, trust us, modern monetary theory.
That's crazy.
But what the trick is, is they're not investing the money in infrastructure programs, production and things.
That's monetary theory, is that you put, you print 10 trillion dollars, you put it into factories so that you start producing goods that are worth more than the 10 trillion.
They're not producing the things, they're just putting it in bank accounts.
byron donalds
Look, let me keep it real simple about modern monetary.
For every one of your listeners that's got a little brother or little sister, let them just spend whatever they want regardless of how much money's in the family's bank account.
How's that gonna work?
It's an unmitigated disaster.
And mom's gonna be mad.
Somebody's getting a spanking.
I still believe in spanking.
I got kids.
I spank my kids.
It's whatever.
You know, social media can get mad at me, but it is what it is.
Somebody's in trouble.
You cannot just spend money Without any controls on what comes in.
Nobody can do that.
If you borrow money incessantly, you create the situation where republics have fallen.
That's what's happened to too many republics in the history of the world.
So when you have conservatives like myself who say, look, control spending, make sure you're doing it the right way.
When you do that, You create the environment for economies to thrive, for people to grow, etc.
Real quick, because I'm going to do a quick segue.
Because he usually segues for me, I get the opportunity to segue for him.
Ladies and gentlemen, man sitting down in the room right now.
He is the forerunner of what it means to bring the diesel, to question people.
This is the guy you see with no jacket on, but a tie.
and a dress shirt.
He is the guy that myself, Boebert, and so many of us have watched on TV and in committee hearings, grilling the Democrats day after day after day.
This is one of the forerunners of the conservative movement in our country, my good friend, the Honorable, from Ohio, Jim Jordan.
jim jordan
Byron, thank you.
Tim, good to be with you.
tim pool
Yeah, how's it going, man?
jim jordan
I'm doing fine.
Byron's doing the interview here now?
I've been down to Naples and talked to all his Republican buddies.
I was going to start though.
With, what is it called, Chicken City?
unidentified
Yeah.
jim jordan
So my wife, she literally built, we have eight acres out in the country around her family's farm.
She built her, I call it the Taj Mahal, she built her own chicken coop from scratch.
She did it all.
And now we have the security camera stuff up, but she can watch her chickens via security camera.
So we got great eggs and all, but I understand you guys are, this is your thing too, so it's amazing.
tim pool
Yeah, we have Chicken City.
We've got, I think, 30 or so chickens.
We've got a camera.
You can watch them all day.
There used to be a couple, but now it's just one watching them all do their chicken stuff.
Yeah.
Chickens are hilarious.
They are funny.
jim jordan
Yeah.
She's had to come out yelling to get the fox away because, you know, she had started with, what, nine and she's down to five, but we still get plenty of eggs each.
I don't know if you do that.
They probably do that in Naples.
unidentified
Jim, I love you, man, but I don't do chickens, man.
byron donalds
I go to the supermarket and get the eggs.
I appreciate.
jim jordan
Ours are cheaper.
Ours are cheaper right now.
byron donalds
You know, I'm gonna come by.
I'm gonna come by.
They're cheaper.
jim jordan
Yeah.
byron donalds
Cause you know, I got sons and they eat like eggs all the time cause they're all lifting weights and whatnot.
And I'm out on that.
They're training all the time.
unidentified
Real quick.
byron donalds
I want to ask you this one question and then I'm going to turn it over because I'm not an interviewer.
I answer too many questions these days.
My question for you, And I've never asked you this question.
What was the thing, what was the aha moment that made you realize that conservatism was the path forward for the country?
jim jordan
I mean, I was raised in a conservative family, although my dad was a Democrat.
He was a union worker for General Motors, and like a lot of Americans in 1980, decided enough of this Democrat stuff, he's going to vote for the Reagan guy.
But raised in a conservative, kind of Christian home, but for me it's probably athletics, you know?
The idea in America is, you know, you set a goal, you work hard, and you try to accomplish things, and that seemed to fit with conservatism.
And my background is a sport of wrestling.
I wanted to play football, but I'm five, seven and a half on a good day, so I had to wrestle.
But yeah, it's probably wrestling, because it's all about competition.
I think it's one of the problems in the country today is people, you don't have people competing.
And frankly, I don't think you have enough people just involved in being tough.
No one gets in a fight in school anymore.
You don't have enough kids playing football or wrestling.
I think that's a problem.
So it probably came from my background in the sport of wrestling, because I started when I was in third grade and did it for the longest time.
byron donalds
Did you want to be a professional wrestler, Jim?
jim jordan
No, there's no real professional wrestling and amateur wrestling.
I wanted to be a state champion.
byron donalds
You never wanted to be a WWE champion?
jim jordan
No, that's for big guys like you, Byron.
That's for guys like you.
byron donalds
Time out.
Side point.
I'm going to give up the headset and the microphone.
I went to a WWE event in my district.
I actually like pro wrestling.
It's a thing for me.
I like the showmanship and all that.
It's fun.
It's interesting.
So I go in the locker room, right?
They gave me like the treatment.
They're like, we're gonna bring superstars in to meet with you.
I was like, okay, cool.
You know the thing I realized?
I'm bigger than most of the dudes on the roster.
I got pictures with Big E who was a WWE champion at the time before he broke his neck because somebody did a suplex and they messed him up.
Hopefully, you know, shout to Big E. Hopefully he comes back.
But I took a picture with the Money in the Bank briefcase.
I got a picture with it, and I'm like three inches taller, and I'm like thicker than him, and I'm like, oh, I could do this.
jim jordan
The only WWE people I know are the ones who are in real wrestling.
Gable Stevenson was three-time NCAA champion and Olympic champ, and now he's winning WWE and doing fine.
And he's a guy who's 275.
He wins the Olympics.
And 275, six foot whatever, runs, does a round off into a full back layout.
And I'm like, 265 can do that?
He's an athlete.
So there are athletes, but it's, you know, it's, it's entertainment.
byron donalds
Okay.
That's the end of my WWE drills because I'm 275 and trust me, I ain't doing that no more.
So we're done.
Sorry, Vince, can't sign me.
tim pool
Let's talk with Congressman Jordan about Twitter.
Do you want to hop over here and grab the mic from Byron?
And then I just want to add to that, man, you mentioned wrestling and competition.
I grew up skateboarding, and skateboarding, it's a very individualistic sport where you can't cheat.
If you want to succeed at the trick, you have to commit to it, and if you don't do it, that's it.
You didn't do it.
It's for you, not anybody else.
jim jordan
Well said.
tim pool
So there's a lot of risk-taking, there's a lot of overcoming fears, and real-life lessons that come with it.
When you're first standing on top of a mini-ramp or a half-pipe, looking down, about to drop in, it's terrifying.
jim jordan
I can imagine.
tim pool
But you can't fake it.
jim jordan
Yeah.
tim pool
You can't pretend.
No.
So let's talk about Twitter, because, I mean, this is the Twitter files.
It's a big deal.
unidentified
It's funny you say that, because You wanna grab the mic and keep us a little close?
jim jordan
Wrestling is the same way.
When you step out there on the mat, it's just you, God, and your opponent.
You win, you win.
You lose, you lose.
And there's no one to blame, no one to... That's the way it is.
And it sort of teaches you to deal with things.
Just like when you're standing on top and going down with the skateboard, what do you call it, the half pipe?
tim pool
Half pipe, quarter pipe, various sizes.
You're competing against yourself.
If you wanna get that good feeling of accomplishment, You can't lie to yourself.
You know you didn't do it.
jim jordan
Yeah.
tim pool
So I think that, you know, that instilled in me a lot of ideas of personal responsibility, individualism, et cetera.
And I think, you know, getting into skateboarding as a sport when I was younger, and then having the ability to overcome and accomplish yourself, you know, your goals and yourself with no one in the way, I think, probably led me to be more independent and individualist.
But I do think physical activity and competition is important.
jim jordan
So, you were mentioning... I'm a lot older than you, but when I grew up, you played, you competed every day.
And I went to a little local country public school.
You competed in the classroom.
You learned in your multiplication tables.
You did this thing you called Around the World.
You had to try to say it faster than the person you stood beside.
And it was a competition.
You kept moving.
tim pool
Is it the math thing?
Yeah, we used to do that, too.
jim jordan
Yeah, that's good.
I don't know if they even allow kids to do that in school today.
On the playground, we played kickball, we played football, we played the game that you can't even say the name.
You throw the ball up, someone catches it, you run around, everyone tackles him, and you got in a fight.
Every couple weeks, you get in a fight with somebody.
It was all good.
That's life on the playground.
And it wasn't a grudge, you just got in a fight because, you know, out safe, out safe, and kickball, no, no, we're going to get in a fight and everything's fine.
But I think we're losing some of that, and I don't know that that's good.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, let's talk about censorship, manipulation.
I was talking with Congresswoman Boebert, and I gotta say I'm a bit pessimistic because on this show, for instance, we've had on only a few guests who are more liberal-leaning.
And we invite many on, but many just don't want to do it.
The only ones who do either are up-and-coming and looking for an opportunity, which, you know, we're trying to...
We do want to have some of these individuals.
I don't want to limit someone's ability to speak because they're not famous or anything like that, but we're trying to engage in debates with people who are influencing the debate itself, but they don't want to.
And often what we find is people like squad members either are intentionally lying or don't know what they're talking about.
An example I'll give is when AOC Today said during the Twitter hearings that Boston's Children's Hospital was lied about by Libs of TikTok.
claimed that they were giving hysterectomies to children, but they actually list on their website, reportedly,
that they offered hysterectomies to adolescents, if we want to be specific.
And there was even a video where they described gender-affirming hysterectomies at a children's hospital.
So either she knows what she's saying is not true, or she genuinely believes incorrect things.
If big tech is censoring conversations, and even us right now on this show
are subject to those restrictions, how can we advance the country in a positive direction,
come to real solutions, make people's lives better, if we can't even discuss the problem.
jim jordan
I think you've hit on sort of the key thing here.
The left today doesn't embrace the First Amendment.
And that is literally something that has changed in my judgment in the last 10 to 15 years.
It used to be the left would, you know, get your best hold, make your best argument, full embrace of the First Amendment, your right to speak, and let's have the debate and see who wins.
And then we move on to the next issue.
That's the way it used to be, but not today.
Today the left says, if you don't agree with me, you're not allowed to talk.
And if you try, we're going to call you racist, we're going to call you fascist, we're going to call you names, we're going to try to cancel you.
And I've said this on the House floor when we were talking about the whole cancel culture phenomena.
I said, don't think that they won't come for you.
It's not just they're coming after conservatives or Republicans or libertarians.
They're going to come for everybody.
And that very week, if I remember right, that very week is the week they said the Dianne Feinstein Elementary School in San Francisco will no longer be named after Senator Feinstein.
She wasn't good enough.
Liberal icon, not good enough because of something she said 30, 40 years ago.
That is the problem.
And look, I got liberal friends.
Denis Kucinich is a friend of mine.
And, you know, he's way over here, and he thinks Jordan's way over here.
But we're friends, and he believes in the First Amendment.
That's the problem today, is if you don't go along with the left, they try to cancel you.
And their appetite, I think, knows no bounds, knows no end, and they will come for everyone.
That's why we got to push back.
And we got to push back on big tech so that we have that public square, that forum, that forum that is now the public square.
tim pool
Are you winning?
jim jordan
I think we're making some progress, finally.
And of course, the biggest win was Elon Musk buying Twitter and showing us what was going on.
As my good friend Thomas Massey said, he bought a crime scene.
It cost him billions of dollars, but he bought a crime scene and laid out what happened there.
That first they had their written policies that they enforced selectively.
And then the closer they got to the election, the more they enforced them selectively.
And then when their policies weren't good enough, they just had an ad hoc way of like, we're going to do whatever we want to do and censor whoever we want to censor.
tim pool
Do you think the Twitter executives lied today in these hearings?
jim jordan
I think they didn't tell us everything because you know one of the things I just one question I'm just talking with Lauren when she asked about the hearing today too and I said the one question sort of stuck on me I asked because I looked at you know Baker's testimony Jim Baker who was deputy chief counsel and before that he was chief counsel at the FBI and on the top of the second page of his thing he says that he he didn't improperly suppress any information that would be good for the public dialogue.
Well, if you didn't improperly suppress, then you believe you properly suppressed something.
What was it and when did it happen?
And he wouldn't, he wouldn't answer it.
And he, he, he had behind a privilege.
Um, but I, I want to know if that's right around the time that the Twitter files, when Musk bought Twitter and they're doing the Twitter files and they find out those are being filtered through Jim Baker, was he suppressing information then?
I don't know.
So that was one of the takeaways I had.
tim pool
I wonder if there's potentially an FTC violation with Twitter in that before Elon Musk took over, and even now, there was this... Before Elon Musk, when you're on your Twitter feed, there's little stars in the top right corner.
You click it, it says, switch between your home feed, which is algorithmic, and the latest tweets, which means that a user like me or any other person who signs up, if we select latest tweets, we expect to see the posts from individuals we follow in reverse chronological order.
But Twitter was manipulating that feed while advertising falsely what they were delivering to people.
jim jordan
Yeah, so we asked about that today.
So we asked, great point, we asked, okay, so when someone gets their account suspended or gets suspended from it, or their tweet's being taken down, there's a notice of that.
But if they're doing what they call other visibility filtering, like blacklisting someone, stopping them from trending, they don't know that.
And it's happening.
And I asked him, like, are you doing that on specific accounts?
Is it driven by certain key words that enforce that?
How is that done?
And they didn't really seem to, at least I didn't figure out how they were answering that, but the fact that they were doing that and people didn't know, then I said, did that happen to any government officials or elected officials?
And he said he didn't know, but he thought it did.
So this is Yoel Roth, who we asked these questions to.
So again, that's something.
And the examples in the Twitter files are Bongino and Charlie Kirk.
That happened to them, and they didn't know.
Probably happened to you, and you didn't know about it.
tim pool
There are these apps you can use where you enter your name, and it'll tell you the various filters that exist.
But even Dave Rubin just mentioned Elon Musk just showed him new ones.
They discovered new filters.
But I guess, you know, what I'm thinking is, We often focus on the censorship aspect, which I think, culturally and morally, those of us who care about real debate and logic and policy are shocked by.
But I'm also curious, how can Twitter, as a massive company with 300 million plus users, lie about the product they're delivering?
How can a corporation in America say, imagine this, imagine if a company said, You come to me, here's a contract, you get a gallon of whole milk.
Then they give you a gallon of 2%.
That sounds like they're falsely advertising what they're delivering.
If Twitter says the reverse chronological feed delivers you reverse chronological posts, but then they're using shadow ban algorithms, and we know they are, they're lying to their customers as to the product being delivered.
How is that legal?
How is that allowed?
jim jordan
Yeah, so one of the questions I asked, too, that he made me think of this, too, I asked this question, and I didn't fully understand it, but I asked if they were hard-coding into any specific accounts to censor them.
So they're, like, targeting that specific user.
And it was interesting how Yoel Roth kind of, and I want to go back and look at the transcript to see exactly how he said it, because he really didn't answer that square, that either.
I agree.
One of the things we want to do with legislation that we're planning on doing with Energy and Commerce Committee Is anything they do to your account, they have to tell you.
There has to be real transparency, there has to be a timeframe, there has to be a due process so that you can correct it, figure out what it is, to have the debate and correct it within a specified amount of time, and then if they don't, then you should have some kind of cause of action because they're violating a contract that they have with you, their user, their customer.
And the scary thing about what we've really learned, I think, from the Twitter files, too, is all the things they're doing, Twitter, but why in the world is the FBI coming in and telling Twitter, hey, these accounts have problems.
They violate your terms of service, Twitter.
What's the government telling Twitter these accounts violate Twitter's terms of service?
You gotta be kidding me.
And it wasn't because they were concerned about, you know, you being shadow banned or anything else.
It was because they wanted those accounts taken down.
That, to me, is the scariest part of all, which has come out in the Twitter files.
tim pool
Do you think that those revelations, that Twitter and Facebook had portals for government agencies to flag content, do you think that was partisan?
Yeah.
To help Democrats?
jim jordan
I do, because, you know, The way I did it my first round of question day is I just asked, you know, was the Hunter Biden's laptop story, did the government tell you it was fake?
No.
Did the government tell you it was hacked?
No.
And then I said, and did it violate your terms of service?
And he said, no, it didn't.
But you took it down anyway.
Why'd you take it down?
I think they took it down because For months they've been meeting with Twitter.
They had asked Twitter if they wanted security clearances in 30 days prior to the election.
They'd sent them all kinds of emails heading on the email said Twitter folks as if they were best buddies and then they had the secret what I call the super secret James Bond teleporter app that they could send messages to that would that would you know go away and disappear within a matter of weeks.
So they do all this, and they're telling them, be on the lookout for hack and leak operations.
I think they played Twitter, and they understood, oh, this is, and they were a receptive audience, you know, like what it must say, 99% of them vote Democrat and give the Democrats.
So that was the environment.
They didn't need the specific email that said, take down the Hunter Biden laptop story.
They were all primed to do it based on what the FBI had done for months and months, meeting after meeting, text message, or excuse me, email after email.
They were primed to do it and that's what they did.
tim pool
Someone chatted just now.
I think it's an important point.
They said that we're not the customers of Big Tech.
We're the product.
It's a misunderstanding.
And I understand that point.
The real customer, in a true sense of a transactional customer, is the advertisers who are buying access to data and access to an audience.
But I think in a legal sense, we, the users of Twitter, are still customers.
There may not be a financial transaction, but there's a contract between us as to what we get in exchange for the... There are policies in terms of services.
jim jordan
Yeah, it's a contract.
It's a contractual agreement.
tim pool
Yeah, so I guess, you know, the challenges I suppose we're seeing now is, you know, look, you guys may have gotten just a modicum of power by taking back a few extra seats in the House, giving you this majority, but is it enough to create a long-standing impact, to pass laws, to actually get something done?
Are these hearings going to be enough to actually change things?
jim jordan
I mean, look, we hope so.
And all we can do is is what we can do.
And, you know, we got our first hearing tomorrow in this select committee.
We hope this is a committee or excuse me, a hearing that begins to frame it up.
We're having Tulsi Gabbard as one of our witnesses.
I think she'll be great.
She's a true believer in the First Amendment.
We have a couple of great senators, Senator Grassley, Senator Johnson, who were investigated and some of the things they told us that the Democrats in these Folks did to them and FDI did to them.
So we think it'll be a good hearing.
And then, of course, we have on the second panel, we have Professor Turley, whose op-ed out this week, I think, is really good because he used the term censorship by surrogate.
And that's what we have now.
You got the pressure from the government without explicitly telling them to do certain things.
At least we haven't found that yet, but we may find that.
But the pressure from the government and then the censorship from the tech platforms is real.
And when you view it in this, in my mind, you view it in this bigger framework of what we've seen the last couple years, I always tell folks every single right we enjoy under the First Amendment has been assaulted in the last couple years.
Everyone.
Your right to practice your faith, your right to petition the government, your right to assemble, freedom of press, freedom of speech, speech being the most important.
All of them have been attacked by the government, many of them in relation to COVID and the COVID policies, but a host of other things too, and it's really frightening.
tim pool
You know what was the craziest thing about all that too, is even the third amendment got violated.
Did you see that one?
jim jordan
All of them.
tim pool
The third amendment, the one that no one knows, because no one talks about, is that the government can't put soldiers in your house, right?
Because this is back in the revolutionary period, and then when they did the eviction moratorium, effectively created a circumstance in which active duty
soldiers who are renting property could not be evicted in violation of the
Third Amendment.
They violated so much of the Constitution, they woke up the third.
It's amazing and kind of scary at the same time.
jim jordan
I still remember, you know, the government told you you couldn't go to church.
Crazy.
I mean, the government said you couldn't come to your own Capitol that you pay for.
I mean, we're here in Capitol Hill now, but you couldn't come for like a year and a half.
Nancy Pelosi wouldn't let you in your Capitol that you pay for to petition your member of Congress to redress your grievances.
And the one I always remember is Jen Psaki standing at the White House in the press room.
Think about it.
The White House is considered the center of freedom on the planet.
Here's the press secretary to the President of the United States in the press room, and she stands there at the podium and she says, And it was live.
Americans now get their information from social media platforms.
We, the Biden administration, are working with social media platforms to limit
the information Americans can see.
It was a lie.
And I'm like, did I just see that?
The press secretary in the White House press briefing room saying she wants to limit the press.
I mean, this is scary where the left wants to go.
They cheer for it.
And they cheer it on.
tim pool
This is what I was saying to Congresswoman Boebert a moment about an hour ago.
The way I view this is, with the manipulation of social media, the restriction of information to the American people, the Hunter Biden laptop story right before an election being a really prime example of this, They've created what I would describe as a hypoxic portion of the United States.
That is, when your brain is deprived of oxygen, you don't know.
You don't know.
I don't know if you've ever seen these videos, but they're actually quite revealing.
They'll put a person in a sealed chamber with a certain level of oxygen, and they'll slowly lower it while asking them to answer basic math questions.
To the person, they're saying, 1 plus 1 is 2, 2 plus 2 is 4, shmurblebobifidus 17, but in their mind, they're saying everything correctly.
jim jordan
Really?
tim pool
Then they play back the video for them and the people are like, what?
I was speaking gibberish?
Yeah, your brain had no oxygen, so you were slowly shutting down.
When they deprive half this country of information, and these people get their news and information from CNN or MSNBC, who have both just espoused so much garbage, we have a situation where I would describe it as the left hemisphere of our American consciousness is deprived of oxygen, unaware that it's, for the past seven or eight years, been manipulated and just deprived of facts, but it's still voting.
So how do we vote to correct a problem when we are facing people who don't know they're facing a problem and they're voting?
Continually to increase that problem, if you know what I mean.
jim jordan
I get it.
We do the best we can.
You pray for this great country.
You keep with a smile on your face like you guys do.
You keep giving the facts and the truth.
tim pool
Ramp up the ballot harvesting.
jim jordan
And you play under the rules.
The rules of the game are such that you play under those rules and you do it the best you can.
And you play to win.
ian crossland
I have a solution.
We could free the software code of large social networks right now, instead of trying to break up the companies, force them, once they get to a certain number of users, we treat it as a commons, and the software code is proliferated.
jim jordan
I think that's where, I think Musk is thinking about doing that.
I think that's where he may be headed.
ian crossland
We could use government force and say, you know, it's like breaking up in a monopoly, but I...
I think that would work.
And then you federate the networks, and my version of Twitter and your version of Twitter can see each other.
But if I want to ban you on my network, I can.
I still have my right as a business owner to ban whoever I want.
tim pool
That would require a very large cultural shift, and it's difficult.
jim jordan
And I have to run, Mr. Poole.
Thank you.
tim pool
Hey, man.
Thanks for coming.
This was absolutely fantastic.
I really do appreciate it.
jim jordan
You've got to come to Ohio and see the Georgian chickens at some point.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Sounds good, man.
jim jordan
Thanks, man.
tim pool
All right.
We're gonna have Congresswoman Boebert come in.
We'll do some Super Chats.
And, man, this is, despite the fact that the microphones aren't working, I think it's turning out pretty well, huh?
Welcome back, Congresswoman.
So we have a plethora of Super Chats that I'll try to Get as many as I can.
Questions from the audience.
And then we have Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna.
lauren boebert
Yes, Ana's here.
Yes.
tim pool
She's here?
lauren boebert
Yes, she's here.
But we're going to do this for a few minutes and then we'll bring her in.
tim pool
I want to find some good questions.
Let's see.
I want to make sure I'm finding some good Super Chat questions that are directed specifically for Congresswoman Boebert.
Kevin Brady says, can you ask Lauren if she still supports praying medic, like what she's been doing, but we need a bit of clarity there.
I'm not familiar.
lauren boebert
Praying medic?
tim pool
Yeah, are you familiar with what that is?
unidentified
No.
No?
tim pool
Okay, well then.
All right then.
You know, we probably should do next time is probably we should pull selects in advance.
So we can make sure we're getting Joe Biden does.
lauren boebert
Yeah, just questions in advance.
tim pool
Well, I mean, we have the chats coming in, but it's been an hour and a half.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's like, I'm gonna try and scroll through them and find some good ones for you that there's an oxygen deficiency in the White House.
lauren boebert
That's what's going on with Joe.
unidentified
No, I know that answer is way too simple.
lauren boebert
It's cognitive decline, yes.
tim pool
You want me to be honest?
I don't know how you guys feel about answering this, but I've seen pictures of his hand which look, they look like he has IV marks, like they've been giving him intravenous solutions or drugs.
I have to imagine they do.
I also am of the opinion that they give him uppers.
I don't know if that's not politically correct for you guys.
lauren boebert
Well, he was talking pretty fast last night at the State of the Union.
I mean, so fast he was stumbling over everything.
Couldn't get it together.
I mean, I talk fast like that when I have a big hearing because I'm just down to five-hour energy.
So, I don't know if they're putting those through his veins or what, but my comms team can have fun with that comment tomorrow.
tim pool
Right on.
It's actually quite difficult to go through all the Super Chats in real time to find a good question, I might add.
So I'm doing my best.
It's mostly people just saying they're big fans, to be completely honest.
But let's do this.
We have Turtle Drum saying, could you get each guest's thoughts on auditing and or ending the Federal Reserve and also The Ian Carpenter stuff.
All right.
Well, a couple questions in that regard.
The Federal Reserve.
I mean, what are your thoughts?
I think, you know, Ron Paul wants to end it or at least audit it.
Many people have been trying to audit the Federal Reserve.
lauren boebert
Right.
No, we absolutely have to start with an audit and see where that goes.
But I mean, nothing that we're doing financially is working right now.
I mean, we're running on monopoly money.
So, yeah, an audit is a fantastic place to start.
tim pool
And what about abolishing the ATF?
lauren boebert
Do you see my hat?
Do you see this hat here?
Yeah, no.
So, I mean, the ATF, I think they need to come before Congress and prove why they should be an agency, why the things that they do that maybe matter.
Maybe there's something that they do that matters.
I haven't found it yet, but maybe that's sent over to the FBI after, you know, we clean them out.
But here's the problem with the ATF.
They have gone beyond their role of a regulatory agency And now they're making law.
They don't make law.
Congress makes law with the pistol braces and everything they're trying to do there to make at least 10 million Americans felons in a very, very short period.
Now, the ATF, they were the ones who ran Fast and Furious.
They were giving traced firearms to known cartel members.
And they lost 1,700 of them.
And these were marked firearms.
These were tracked firearms.
And they lost them.
And now they think they're going to go after millions of Americans for a firearm accessory and be successful with that.
Now, I think there's going to be a lot of boating accidents in America, if that's actually how this goes down.
But I'm hoping that the courts strike this down entirely.
But it's an abuse of the separation of powers.
tim pool
Do you know if anyone, any groups have filed lawsuits over the ATF?
lauren boebert
Well, and then I think it was the Ninth Circuit.
There was actually a pretty big win there.
But I mean, it's got to go beyond.
It has to go beyond that to make sure we can shut this down completely.
Congressman Matt Gaetz, he has a bill to abolish the ATF.
And, you know, if they can't come before Congress and answer and have and us have oversight over that agency and them answer to why they should exist, then heck yeah, abolish them.
tim pool
I don't believe the ATF has the right to... Well, the executive branch has no legislative authority.
No, they don't.
They cannot declare this illegal.
lauren boebert
But they are trying to legislate.
They're making law right now, the ATF is.
I mean, alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, that should be the name of a convenience store.
I love that.
It sounds like a good time in my neck of the woods.
tim pool
I heard about the pistol brace rule.
lauren boebert
When the pistol brace came up in Congress, it was actually in the Judiciary Committee, Representative Cicilline had a big old poster board showing what a pistol brace was, and he was trying to demonstrate that it turns any handgun into a fully automatic.
unidentified
What?
lauren boebert
No, it doesn't do this.
And these are actual lawmakers trying to make laws about them and they're completely ignorant about them.
tim pool
That's what I was talking about, like the hypoxia.
Like they're deprived of information but still desperately trying to do something for some reason.
It just doesn't work.
lauren boebert
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, this one really, really pissed me off when I heard this.
And a lot of people were pissed off that they just came out and said, we hereby decree something illegal.
We all followed the law as it's been described, as it's been for decades.
And then abruptly, a federal agency just decided it is a criminal offense now.
That is not how laws are supposed to be passed in this country.
lauren boebert
Absolutely not.
And even if a law like that were passed, I mean, I would hope that we would do everything that we could to get it repealed.
to get it out of here.
Congressman Matt Gaetz just walked in, we're talking about your bill, abolish the ATF.
tim pool
Right on.
Let me, here's one, we got this one from Brandy, says, ask Byron and Lauren where they get their jackets.
lauren boebert
Oh, this one, ooh, I'm gonna sound so squish.
Oh, it's not Patagonia, but it is Lululemon.
tim pool
Oh, is that what someone was really interested in?
A lot of the Super Chef judges are saying that they're big fans of everybody who's come in.
Byron's the man.
Jim Jordan's the man.
They love the work you do.
I brought in all my friends.
Yeah, yeah.
This was cool.
Very last minute, your crew reached out and said, why don't you come and do it here so we can get everyone on at the same time?
And I was like, that sounds like the craziest thing we'll ever have done.
ian crossland
I got a Super Chef for you.
I don't know if I got a camera on it.
Oh, here we got a different angle.
This is great.
This is from Bwa Haskell, B.W.
Haskell.
Amazing show.
We need to Timcast IRL with reps from both, in parentheses, all sides of the aisle, and let them have a long, respectful table conversation about the issues.
The representatives on tonight displayed great authenticity.
Thanks from between LA and San Diego.
Thank you, Lauren.
lauren boebert
Thank you.
tim pool
Cool.
That was a good one.
ian crossland
Yeah, I agree.
I said that I wanted to read it because I think that having cross aisle conversation is the future of politics.
lauren boebert
No, absolutely.
And, you know, that's that's something that Congressman Matt Gaetz is always a big advocate for.
I mean, take the speakers debate.
I mean, there was dialogue on both sides of the aisle for four days in the House chambers, you know, open debate.
And it was amazing engaging with our colleagues.
And that's something that I haven't seen in Congress since I've been here until then.
tim pool
We have this real quick.
ian crossland
It gave me hope.
Those four days was like, it inspired hope in me that I haven't felt in relation to our government in so long.
lauren boebert
Yeah, we got fundamental changes.
It was totally worth the wait.
tim pool
Let me read this one for you.
EW says, Lauren, I'm an FFL.
And in an audit, I had ATF agents photograph every page of my acquisitions and disbursement logs.
We are required to keep of our transfers.
This violates regulations.
This is enough reason to abolish the ATF.
This happens all the time.
lauren boebert
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
Bring them in.
We're on the oversight committee.
Bring them in and make them answer this stuff.
And I don't see any reason for ATF.
But we do have Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna here and I would love for her to get some face time here on your show.
Absolutely.
She's an amazing woman from Florida.
Went down and helped her during her campaign.
I wanted fighters here with me in Congress, and we got her here.
tim pool
You're going to interview her now like Byron did for Jim Jordan?
unidentified
No, no.
lauren boebert
I was just talking her up some.
You know, this is one of my freedom fighters from the Freedom Caucus, and she and I serve on the Natural Resources Committee together and in the Oversight and Accountability Committee.
anna paulina luna
Yeah, I mean, it's an honor and privilege.
As you can see, we've been doing a lot of work these last couple days.
And today, especially, Lauren nuked the former Twitter executives on, especially the fact that they found out that, obviously, you were being suppressed.
It was really interesting to see them kind of squirm.
But again, I mean, we know that this has been taking place for a long time, but I think that the media was really gaslighting conservatives.
And I think that they were censoring anyone who really went against their groupthink mentality.
lauren boebert
Yeah, no.
So it was so much fun.
The information that you brought out right after I spoke was earth shattering.
I mean, this was amazing the way you were drilling these Twitter executives.
But I had just found out last night from Twitter staff that I was shadow banned.
I mean, obviously, we're seeing it.
You know, you see your numbers grow.
They drop back down.
You see the suppression, but there's no real evidence.
And we found the date, the time, the tweet, and it was happening.
It was real.
And it was Mr. Roth that would have had to have reviewed that and approved it.
And he said that he didn't know anything about it in committee.
tim pool
I think all of us who have larger accounts or high profile or doing media or whatever don't want to sound paranoid.
When it's like, hey, I tweeted something and no one's retweeting it, you don't want to sound cringe.
lauren boebert
I know that was fire.
Where's everybody at?
tim pool
But then you come out and you're like, look, I think I'm being shadowbanned here.
And then people start saying, no, you just suck.
Then it turns out you're actually being shadowbanned.
And you're actually pretty cool.
Yeah, but that's what seems to be going on.
lauren boebert
But here's my frustration, and I want Ana to talk too.
I'm going to give her my seat.
My frustration was not my account personally.
It's the millions of Americans who can't reach out to Elon Musk and his team and say, hey, what actually happened here?
Who can't sit in a committee hearing and hold these people accountable?
I'm able to do that.
That's great.
But there's millions of Americans who were completely silenced by the four people that we had in the committee room.
And, you know, AOC, she Put her a little tweet that I was there praising God for Elon, and yeah, thank God for Elon Musk.
Thank God for him firing those four people and purchasing this crime scene, as Thomas Massey said and Jim Jordan reiterated, so he could expose everything that's been going on.
But An, I want to give you the hot seat here, so I'm going to switch with you.
tim pool
All right.
anna paulina luna
Yeah, just to kind of piggyback off of what Lauren was saying, so I actually had to pull up this graphic to make sure that I'm giving you guys correct information, but what we found out is that Twitter, the executives and SISA, which was under DHS, so really it was their cybersecurity infrastructure and security agency, was communicating on a private cloud server to actually have people deplatformed, their postings removed.
And the interesting thing was is that when we were in questioning, Eel Roth and then the rest of the executives pretended like they didn't know about it, and we actually had screenshots from the conversations.
Mind you, this was done without any oversight at all, so they were operating in darkness.
They were basically suppressing this information from the American people.
And what this is known as is a joint state actor.
Social media companies, to include Twitter, were in this platform.
But to be clear, Facebook was also in it, and so what we uncovered was a pretty big deal today.
I know that it actually ties into what Laura Loomer has as an actual lawsuit that she's currently pursuing, but this is a pretty big deal and the fact that the government agencies were communicating with Twitter to interfere in free speech is a massive deal, not just for Republicans, but for everyone.
tim pool
What about YouTube?
anna paulina luna
As of right now, I haven't been able to fully see what's on the private server, but we do know for a fact that Facebook, to include anything owned by them, so I assume also Instagram and then also Twitter was in this private cloud server.
And mind you, they are working with left-leaning organizations that were also part of the Election Integrity Partnership, and you can actually find this graphic on my at-rep APL Luna website.
tim pool
Do you think they lied today?
unidentified
100%.
anna paulina luna
Yeah, they lied to my face.
unidentified
Wow!
anna paulina luna
They lied to my face.
They could not recollect doing any of this, so I refreshed their memory with the graphic.
But the point is that if we didn't have that graphic, mind you, the graphic was actually leaked on a Stanford University YouTube video.
If we did not find that, we don't know that we would actually have been able to have proven this information, that JIRA existed, and that is a private software that they're communicating on.
tim pool
I think Congressman Matt Gaetz is going to interview you now.
matt gaetz
What's up?
This is the difference between Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz.
For me to get my chance to be on Timcast, I had to drive into the middle of the fucking woods!
And you all come here for the Lauren Boebert experience!
So I get the difference, but I mostly came by because when I had the chance to go out to TimCast land, you said I was your favorite congressman.
And I firmly believe that that's because you had not yet met Ana Paulina Luna and so many of my colleagues who were here.
But I was just glad to be on because so many people, after you go on TimCast, there's like this whole experience where you get to read the comments and all of the great things people say about Ian.
And what I didn't appreciate when I went on your show is how many people who wear their name on their shirt every day watch.
And when I went out to events in my district, the law enforcement that provided security said they watched him cast.
The teachers in the schools who are out there fighting against the woke culture and the critical race theory say they watch you and they get inspiration.
The folks who come out of the kitchen At the restaurants where I ate who were back there watching dishes and slinging hash said, you know, we watched him pool.
And when he said that he thought you were a fighter, we knew we could believe it.
And it's a it was a very powerful thing.
It was it was great to spend time with you out in the wilderness, but quite something to see how the people all over this country who work hard and expect more out of their government really believe in you.
And one of the things we're fighting for on this debt limit Work requirements.
We gotta have a strategy that unites 222 Republicans.
And you know what?
There are times that's not the case.
There are times when Ana and Lauren and Byron and Jim Jordan and I...
have to go out on a limb and engage in fights that nobody else is willing to engage in.
But to deal with the fact that our country has maxed out our credit card debt, and we have to reflect on our spending habits as a consequence, means we gotta have people from center-right, from the perspective I represent, get together.
And what we've been working on is to sell people on the idea that if you can go to work, And you choose not to, maybe you shouldn't expect the other people who go to work to pay for all your shit.
You know, your health care, your transportation, your child care, your cell phone bill.
And so, I appreciate the forum to be able to do that.
And that's the next big fight.
Every great general fights the last war.
And we gotta fight the next one.
And the next one is about how we deal with this country's fiscal crisis.
And I think there is no greater cause that can unify us than the idea that You should have to make a contribution.
And in states like ours, you know, we're Floridians and we're very proud Floridians.
But in Florida, when we tried to seek waivers from the federal government on things like food stamps to do work requirements, the federal government said no over and over again.
And if we just unlock the potential for states to be able to pursue these policies, my belief is that under our great federalist system, The idea is that our best will rise to the top and we'll see them replicated and we got to create that space.
So that's what we're working on here in this building and good to have you guys here.
anna paulina luna
Yeah, no, to really Matt's credit and then also to with something that happened during the speaker debate is that we actually had gotten a commitment from leadership to ensure that there would be no just blank check spending for the debt ceiling.
And I think that's important to note because when you don't have these discussions and you just simply go along to get along, These things won't get accomplished.
So I feel like this Congress, granted, I haven't been serving that long, but I do feel like this Congress is a lot different than others because of that.
And so it was an accountability mechanism that needed to happen.
And you guys will see it.
I mean, I can tell you and I support everything that you just did this week regarding Ukraine.
Obviously, no more blank checks for Ukraine.
And I think that that needs to be a more common sense approach.
You know, I hear a lot of people wanting more, but no peace talks.
And I think that we can agree that we're not going to give any more money to fund that.
It's not a war.
matt gaetz
And when people speak on behalf of our national defense, we're talking about people like Ana, like her husband Andy, who wore the uniform, who fought for our country, who provided some of the most elite level talent you could ever muster for the sake of a nation.
And when we talk about having a rational defense budget, we don't for a moment mean that we ought to surrender the high ground to China or limit the tools that our warfighters need.
But maybe All this 100 billion we send to Ukraine ought to get a little more scrutiny than we have offered it.
And that's what I think can at times unify the populist right and the populist left.
And it's a constant theme on your show.
And it's sad to me How rare that occurs because there are things like surveillance policy, foreign policy, that could bring together those elements and they've become so strident in their desire to just wear the blue shirt that they actually don't represent some of the populist views that they once ran on.
tim pool
When you came on last time, you mentioned potentially bringing on members of the squad or to have a conversation.
And I'm always down for a conversation in that capacity, but I gotta be honest, I don't find them to be genuine.
I find them to be quite disingenuous.
Notably, today, I mentioned it several times in the show, AOC's mentioning of the Boston Children's Hospital, libs of TikTok.
Just completely untrue.
And it seemed like a performance for Twitter more than actually getting to the root of these issues with Twitter.
You know, I'm talking about our Twitter followers.
Instead of asking calmly and reasonably, hey, let me ask you about these circumstances that we view to be, you know, a problem.
There is an account that we believe spread lies.
It's bombastic.
It's performative.
It's outrageous.
unidentified
And I just, I don't trust it.
matt gaetz
Maybe they used to have more optimism about their cross-sectional appeal.
Maybe when people like the Squad, when they got elected, they thought, you know what, we can talk to more folks than just the Democrat primary voters who sent us here.
And this town wears you down on that theory.
Everything about Washington is to divide and to separate and make you believe that your only path forward is with the people who wear the color of your jersey.
And there are times when we don't feel that way.
You know, Ana had to win her election to get here, beating the establishment.
The establishment went against her every time.
She had to run against a lobbyist her first time.
And I'll just tell you this.
anna paulina luna
Pharmaceutical lobbyist.
unidentified
Yes.
matt gaetz
Probably confirm what I'm about to say, but almost every person in this town lined up against Ana because, oh, she didn't know Washington and she wasn't part of the system in the game.
anna paulina luna
I wasn't a serious candidate.
matt gaetz
Right, wasn't a serious candidate.
And what I saw was someone who actually, if she got here, was going to be able to fight for her constituents, untethered from those corrupt influences.
And while it took her Two elections to get here.
It's all the sweeter, actually, to get someone here who's willing to fight the establishment.
And you get that from people like Lauren Boebert, who have to take out an incumbent in a primary.
You get that from people like Ana, who have to take on an establishment lobbyist, literally, to get here.
And part of what we fought for in that speaker fight Was the opportunity to bring more folks to Washington of those experiences and to not have such a concentrated influence of the Uniparty through the PACs and the special interests that no matter which political party, Republican or Democrat, wins, it's always their people.
Now we're starting to get some our people here and glad you were able to host a number of them tonight.
tim pool
I really want to ask you, Matt, about the Kevin McCarthy stuff.
He said something recently—correct me if I'm wrong, because I only saw a bit of the Twitter postings—that the officer who shot Ashley Babbitt was just doing her job.
He had said previously insinuations about Donald Trump working for Russia, things like that.
You stood up to the establishment, along with many other members of Congress, but you were loud, you were vocal.
It's one of the reasons I said you're my favorite member.
I just, I like seeing someone go to the machine.
Look, I cheered for AOC when she beat Crowley back in 2018 because I want to see people tell the machine enough, you know, knock it off.
I'm curious now on your thoughts on Speaker McCarthy.
He gets elected.
He removes Schiff and Swalwell from the Intelligence Committee, which I agree with.
I actually agree with your initial argument on Ilhan Omar that removing her simply because she said things you don't like doesn't seem to make sense.
But how did you end up going on?
You ended up voting for her removal?
matt gaetz
Yeah, I did.
I didn't feel good about it, to be honest with you.
I believe that had Ilhan Omar not voted to remove Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gosar from their committees, that she would have found a great deal more support.
I think that was ultimately the decision maker, not just for me, but probably for a handful of members, that, you know, if you're going to adopt this terrible paradigm and then you're not willing to live by it, that's actually the swamp.
That's actually what we see too often here.
And that hypocrisy had to be dealt with in some way.
But here's what I know.
If the normal rhythm of this place is that every time power changes hands, you got to go nuke some of the loud people on the other side who you don't agree with, it will actually be Lauren Boebert and Ana Paulina Luna and Matt Gaetz who will get nuked next.
We have to understand that and so I hope this ends it.
Ultimately what got me there, McCarthy and Hakeem Jeffries both agreed this has to end and I hope it ends at this standpoint.
The Schiff and Swalwell thing is very different because they can be judged based on their acts.
They took actions that hurt our country by lying about intelligence.
I do not believe that Congresswoman Omar did that.
I think she had made comments that upset the various groups of people and that achieved a critical mass at some point.
But sometimes we've got to listen to the dissidents, right?
Sometimes we have to be thoughtful and introspective and reflective about what people say who don't always align with the traditional dogma of this place.
anna paulina luna
I also, too, though, think that Representative Perry brought a great perspective, which is ultimately why I voted the way that I did, which was, you know, you have to be careful on the speech aspect, right?
Because next cycle, if we don't have the gavel, ultimately, they might say that something that we said was offensive and wrong and try to remove us from committees.
So to be clear, she's still on committees, but she also did something that is really bad, especially when you're on foreign affairs.
And that is that she, all kidding aside, basically had engaged in immigration fraud.
And so I think that when people are being looked at for their committees, what they bring to the table, I think that that's an important note.
matt gaetz
Yeah, but by what standard?
Because there were some news articles, we automatically assume that that's the truth?
I mean, there were a lot of news articles about me that were false.
Right, and so I have a higher standard for due process than that.
We have an ethics committee and we have an ethics rule that says that if you bring discredit on the House by your actions that then you can be expelled from this institution and that we are ultimately the arbiters of our own membership.
And so I don't love the fact that we remove somebody without that due process.
I do believe that a number of us got Speaker McCarthy to agree that in the future there has to be some ability for people to appeal and And have a potential removal examined more thoroughly.
But, you know, there were a lot of Republicans who were waving their pom-poms about that vote.
I cast the vote.
I do believe on committee membership.
The Speaker deserves deference.
But if this becomes a situation where we cancel people in the Congress on committees based on their perspective on certain things that don't align with the traditional dogma, then I'm probably the next one on the chopping block.
tim pool
So I got a question for both of you.
How would you rate Speaker McCarthy's performance thus far?
matt gaetz
I would give Speaker McCarthy an A. I would.
And he has kept his commitments.
He has reaffirmed his commitments.
I am eager to get the 14,000 hours of January 6 footage out.
And if you had been in some of the depositions I've been in these last few days with FBI officials, getting that information out is critically important.
Our weaponization subcommittee has already begun the process of collecting documents and interviewing whistleblowers.
I am deeply concerned about the extent to which that undercover federal officers and confidential informants that were working for the federal government could have animated some of the criminal acuity of that day.
anna paulina luna
Also too, for those who are looking and watching this right now, I actually spoke to Speaker McCarthy's office and he said that if you do have a case and that you feel that footage might actually help your case to prove that you are innocent, that they will actually work to get that footage to you.
So to contact your member of Congress and then they can work to do that.
So I think that for people watching, obviously there are many different circumstances and so people deserve to have the right to defend themselves and they deserve the right to access to that footage and they have that now.
matt gaetz
Just look at today.
Today we passed a Thomas Massey bill that carried with it a Lauren Boebert substantive amendment.
This is the type of stuff that you would not have seen in a traditional Congress where the people who have access to the floor and the amendatory process are those who are blessed by the lobbyists.
And Speaker McCarthy, to his great credit, was willing to give the power back to the members And a meritocracy develops as a consequence of that, that you don't get when it's just about who writes the checks.
tim pool
So does it feel like, at least for you guys, the people are starting to win back control?
matt gaetz
Yeah, listen, think about just that question from one of the last questions you asked me when I was on your program.
You said, Gates, how worried are you about retribution?
Your belief was that the force that we had brought on this place would result in us being punished.
And instead, it's our amendments, our bills, our ideas that are driving the discussion.
And you know what?
We're not going to win them all.
We're going to get beat sometimes on the floor on the ideas we present.
Like when Marjorie Taylor Greene put an idea up to limit the president's ability to just issue an emergency over everything and everything.
That lost.
But we're actually willing to take votes on amendments that lose.
And I think that that brings the American people into the discussion in a far more fruitful way.
tim pool
What about what's up with abolishing the IRS?
matt gaetz
Well, I believe we should have the fair tax.
I believe the American people should be able to choose how much taxes they pay based on their consumption.
And if you want to go buy a Lamborghini or some crazy expensive skateboard that some dude makes in his garage, then All the better, but then you can pay the taxes on that.
And what frustrates us is that oftentimes we're just funding the bureaucracy.
It's not even like we're extracting money from the American people to go to their needs.
We're extracting it to fund a system that picks winners and losers, and the powerful and the elite and the connected get access to that system.
tim pool
So let's, I'll give you a hypothetical.
If we could, probably very difficult to do, but let's say we were able to isolate specifically bloated bureaucracy spending.
If we could take all of that money and apply it to healthcare, government spending that money instead on helping people with healthcare, would you be in favor of that?
matt gaetz
I absolutely would, but let's look at the VA, which is something that Ana and I have talked about at great length, not just in the policy space, but as it literally relates to our families and the people we love.
If we abolished the VA and gave every veteran a card that allowed them to get fee for service at any health care provider that they
walked into in this country.
And if you want to provide health care in this country, you better be willing to provide it to a veteran
for the amount that we would pay for it at that rate.
Then you could eliminate the bureaucracy and you could spend all the money
that is appropriate to that bureaucracy actually on health care for veterans.
anna paulina luna
Yeah, if that was an option today, I guarantee most vets would go that route.
And one of the most frustrating things is that, especially during what happened with COVID because of the bureaucracy, a lot of veterans that did need help, especially that had PTSD that needed to talk to doctors, weren't getting the help that they needed.
matt gaetz
But if we're going to do universal health care, which is the essence of your question, in exchange for bureaucratic inertia and bureaucratic waste, there's no more fruitful space than the VA, and no more meritorious a space.
anna paulina luna
Yeah, I mean, he nailed it.
Again, systems like the VA, mind you, service members do essentially pay into that.
And so that's a friendly reminder to people.
A lot of people say, well, the military has socialized health care, but we are literally paying back into that system.
So for me, from that perspective, I mean, there's so much broken with the VA.
President Trump did a lot of good, but there's still so much that needs to be fixed with it.
And so I just, anyone that ever advocates for socialized medicine, I'm like, you guys have no idea what you're starting.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
I'm also very glad that this time I get to talk to you, my voice actually works.
I was like, thanks for coming.
matt gaetz
The magic of the last episode was that you couldn't talk and that Ian was giving us brilliant take after brilliant take.
Serge even got in the action.
ian crossland
What do you guys think about like setting up an application or an app or something where people could allocate a portion of their taxes like a sliding thing where you're like okay first of all it's like a well I'll say tinder like you swipe right if you like this this idea they want to build a fountain on Main Street and then you go into your little thing you can slide I want to put 3% of my discretionary tax money towards the fountain and this and that and then you've got like you have to do 10% minimum for the police 10% for the fire department 30% for black budget military because what the heck you know You get some control over your tax, where you put your taxes, and then maybe the system can sort itself out.
matt gaetz
Yeah, I think that that would convert our republic to a direct democracy, right?
And that's what you're talking about.
You're talking about direct democratic inputs to the appropriations process.
I don't know.
It's crowdsourcing the appropriations process.
Look, we're just trying to crowdsource the appropriations process among the elected representatives, and we about had to burn this place to the fucking ground to do it.
unidentified
They're calling us extortionists, terrorists, I mean everything in between.
matt gaetz
Yeah, but I'd have to think about that.
ian crossland
No, so I think we're about to go private here in just a minute.
anna paulina luna
Maybe keep it on the blockchain or something so that it's, we can view it at any time,
right?
So we can make sure that they're not fixing it on the back end.
ian crossland
Have it on like nine different blockchains at once.
anna paulina luna
Yeah, come on in, Lauren.
unidentified
Lauren's in.
lauren boebert
No, so I think we're about to go private here in just a minute.
So I just want Matt to really give the perspective of Anna as a freshman going into the speaker
fight because that is absolutely massive.
I mean, she came in like a boss and said, no, I know this place is broken.
I ran on Congress being broken, and I'm here to fundamentally change it.
So for those of you who are going private, you'll get some exclusives on that.
tim pool
Yeah, this has been awesome.
So we're gonna try and get this members-only segment up.
We had four microphones planned.
Apparently only two of them worked, but I think we made something work, and I'm really excited.
This was awesome.
You know, a couple days ago, Bovert's team reached out and said, can we do a show here so we can get everybody in?
And it was perfect timing with the State of the Union, with the Twitter stuff, so it'd be really awesome.
Maybe next time, and there will be a next time, We'll build the system for a mobile setup well in advance, because I think we only have like three days to try and build a whole system to drive in a car and set it up, but I think it'll be even better next time.
What we'll do now is we will go to the Members Only segment, so become a member at TimCast.com.
Go to TimCast.com, click join us, and in about one hour we're going to have an uncensored Members Only show, and I just want to mention, you know, Matt Gaetz comes in and he's swearing already, so maybe it'll be a bit more exciting than it already was.
Very, very fun.
So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.
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Congresswoman Luna, do you want to shout anything out?
anna paulina luna
Yeah, Matt Gaetz was one of the only representatives to actually even talk to me during my initial race, and then came down and helped me, and so I actually owe him a lot for being here.
So Matt's probably why I dove into the speakers race the way that I did.
I trust in Matt.
tim pool
Right on.
I don't know if Congresswoman Boebert or Gaetz, do you want to say anything before you wrap up and go to the private segment?
unidentified
Yeah, I'll give a goodbye to those folks.
lauren boebert
Hey, I'm so grateful for everyone joining today.
Welcome to my congressional office.
It's in total disarray right now, but my family's been in the background of your shots the whole time.
Tim, thanks so much for coming out here.
You know, we are doing amazing things up here in our slim majority.
We don't have the Senate, we don't have the White House, but we are paving the way for policies that will actually work when we do get these
things back and we have that control again.
So we can really get America back on track. That's why I'm here. I'm here so my four boys, three of them are running
around, they were just wheeling chairs and having races out in the
hallway. I'm here so my boys will not live in a socialist nation.
And, you know, being a mom of four boys, you know, I'm not raising them to be children.
I'm not raising them to be little boys.
I'm raising them to be men and that is so dang important right now when liberals are trying to teach them to be women.
So, yeah, there's a lot to fight for in this country but Jesus is Lord and I'm so happy to live in this free country and I do have hope.
tim pool
If I didn't, I would go home Well, thank you so much for allowing us to use your office so we could have so many awesome people come down and talk to not only everybody watching, but that we got the opportunity to talk to all of you as well.
So, just one more thing to stress.
I see a lot of people are becoming YouTube members, but the members-only show will be at TimCast.com.
On the left side, you'll see a Join Us.
You click that, you sign up there, and then we're going to upload this.
You'll see it on the front page of the website in about one hour.
So, I will leave it there.
Thank you all so much for hanging out and for supporting us thus far and for being members.
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