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Timcast IRL - Elon Musk LEAKS PROOF Democrats Colluded With Twitter To Win 2020 w/Jesse Kelly
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tim pool
Right now, as we're going live, Matt Taibbi, a journalist, is releasing documents on Twitter
showing many, many things.
Of these Twitter threads, we can see that the Biden campaign and Democrats had a direct line to Twitter to remove information.
Information that was removed, of course, relating to Hunter Biden, among other things.
They were targeting real James Woods, for instance.
Now, Matt Taibbi says that Republicans also had and have had content removed, but The overwhelming majority of people who work at Twitter leaned into one political direction, giving them the majority of control over what was censored.
He's now revealing information on the Hunter Biden laptop removal.
And it is amazing, internally, how they're talking about, you know what?
It's not justified to do, but we're going to do it anyway.
Saying, how can we really justify removing this?
We don't even know what it is.
And they're like, so what?
In fact, even one Democrat, Ro Khanna, was like, I'm kind of worried about what you're doing here.
Now here's the thing.
You know, I see that and I'm like, maybe it's not fair to say Democrats were colluding.
Despite the fact that Ro Khanna was critical of the Hunter Biden laptop story, he praised the removal of other conspiracies and QAnon content, which is still a Democrat politician coming and saying, good job censoring ideas that people don't like.
I'm not a fan of those ideas, to be completely honest, but it does show that Democrats have had a direct line to Twitter to remove information and assist in their elections.
And you better believe that stuff persisted well into the presidency.
And Congress, etc.
And the Senate.
So we're going to talk about that, and I think that's going to be most of what we talk about, because this story is currently developing, actively breaking right now.
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Joining us to talk about this and so much more is Mr. Jesse Kelly.
jesse kelly
Tim.
Well, it couldn't be coming at a better time at this point in time because this guy's still putting up the link on Twitter, which is actually kind of annoying, because it's taking about an hour to actually get the story out there.
I get why he's doing it, and I'm glad he's doing it, but it's hard now to actually find what's being released and what's not.
My takeaway from this is a little bit different than I think everyone else's.
I'm shocked there was any pushback at all internally from Twitter.
You can see there are some... Jack Dorsey didn't even know.
He didn't even know, and there are employees pushing back.
I think it just goes to show something I've talked about for a long time.
They're great at finding where the gatekeepers are and taking those spots.
It's not that they have to take everything, they just find who holds the keys, go grab the keys.
This was that one, the same lady who suspended Trump, she was the one who did all this.
All you need is one good spot, yeah.
tim pool
So what do you do?
Who are you?
jesse kelly
I am a host of the world-famous Jesse Kelly Show every single night from 6 to 9 p.m.
Eastern Time on the Great Premier Networks.
I host I'm Right on the First TV every single night at 9 p.m.
So I guess I do TV and radio for a living now, which I have no business doing, but for some reason they enjoy it.
tim pool
You're also, like, eight feet tall.
jesse kelly
I am.
I am.
luke rudkowski
I'm eight foot three.
jesse kelly
I'm six foot eight, so it's hard to buy pants, and flying is miserable, but other than that, life is good.
I cannot complain.
I get to screw off now for a living.
tim pool
Right on.
We got Luke hanging out.
luke rudkowski
Hey, guys.
My name's Luke Hradewski here of WeAreChange.org, and I don't know about you guys, but I'm ready for the next PSYOP, and that's exactly what it says on my t-shirt today.
Officially endorsing B Borp for president for 2024.
And with the way that things are going, I definitely think that B Borp has a big chance to become president of the United States.
If you agree, get the shirt on thebestpoliticalshirts.com because you guys do.
That's why I'm here.
Thank you so much for having me.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Ian Crosland here.
I had an emotional week.
How about you?
It's like a roller coaster.
I feel like I'm coming down right now, so my emotions are very down, and I'm trying not to let myself get upset.
I want to just relax and kind of enjoy the flow as things kind of, you know, the up and the down of the Dow, you know?
We're in it.
And maybe you can take the show over, Jesse.
tim pool
Right on.
luke rudkowski
Just bring on the aliens already.
Just bring them on.
Come on.
tim pool
That was supposed to happen last year, remember?
luke rudkowski
I know.
tim pool
I'm waiting. 2020?
We got Serge pressing all the buttons.
unidentified
What's up, guys?
Serge.com.
Checking in.
tim pool
Because we're here to have a good time and waste some of your time, we have this story from the Babylon Bee.
Check this out.
Elon Musk vows to reveal government and media collusion once he figures out where these red dots are coming from.
And it's a bunch of lasers pointed all over his body.
So Elon Musk, I guess he released this information to Matt Taibbi.
There's a lot to go through.
A lot, a lot to go through.
And the first handful of tweets were so boring, and I was like, okay, I'm out.
Like, it's like exposition of, hey, you know, there was censorship and collusion, and we're like, yeah, yeah, we know that.
And so, but finally, I think around tweet number eight, Matt Taibbi started to drop hard documents.
What this shows is that Democrats had a strong direct line to Twitter to remove content that they felt Should be removed.
Let's just put it that way.
It benefited them.
They targeted people like real James Woods.
Now, Matt Taibbi says both parties had access to these tools.
However, he goes on to say the system wasn't balanced.
It was based on context.
Because Twitter, uh, was and is overwhelmingly staffed by people of one political orientation, there were more channels, more ways to complain, open to the left, well, Democrats, than the right.
He says the resulting slant in content moderation decisions is visible in the documents you're about to read.
However, it's also the assessment of multiple current and former high-level executives.
So currently, he's releasing a lot of really interesting stuff.
How about this one?
White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany was locked out of her account for tweeting about the Hunter Biden laptop story, prompting a furious letter from Trump campaign staffer Mike Hahn, who sees at least pretend to care for the next 20 days.
This led Public Policy Executive Carolyn Storm to send out a polite WTF query.
Several employees noted there was tension between the comms and policy teams who had little and less control over moderation, and the safety and trust teams.
I think one of the big things here was that you have this.
This is, uh, let me just read the tweet.
You can see the confusion in the following lengthy exchange which ends up including Vijaya Gade and former trust and safety chief Yoel Roth.
Coms official Trenton Kennedy writes, I'm struggling to understand the policy basis for marking this as unsafe.
But at this point, everyone knew this was F'd, said one former employee.
But the response was essentially to err on the side of continuing to err.
So we'll go through this.
I'm not just going to track every single tweet.
I want to get your guys' thoughts on what you've seen so far, and then we'll bring up tweets as we go.
Evidence of direct collusion?
What do you think?
jesse kelly
I think it's the least surprising thing in the world.
Now, I'm glad we get to see the actual documents.
I mean, I'm glad it's not just us assuming things, because you're looking at actual emails here.
But is anyone shocked tonight?
Is anyone shocked to figure out that Twitter is staffed by a bunch of commies?
And that Twitter will censor out people with voices on the right, and that Twitter has a direct line to people in the White House.
This is how it's worked for a long time.
This is why people don't worry about re-election when you're in the Democratic Party, because you jump right from the Joe Biden administration, you go work for Twitter, or you go work for CNN.
It's all just, what's that George Carlin saying?
It's all one club and we're not in it?
That's what it is.
It's not surprising at all.
Half these people are probably going to go work for Joe Biden next week.
tim pool
That's right.
luke rudkowski
Well, it's very interesting because obviously Democrats had more connections to Twitter.
Twitter obviously had a lot of employees there that were also donating a lot of money to the DNC.
But it was according to these leaks both parties that had ...
access to these tools and both parties including the ...
Donald Trump administration and his White House had ...
requested certain individuals be banned and their requests ...
were granted now a couple days ago the intercept launched a ...
story about how the DHS was going around and banning people ...
on big tech social media predominantly because of a law ...
passed by Donald Trump so what was Donald Trump's ...
Did he create the tools?
I mean, obviously, he passed a law with the DHS, according to The Intercept, that allowed all of this to happen from the very beginning, but did he set up the tools that entrapped him and hurt him eventually?
I think that's worth asking today, especially with number 10, the reveal that Matt Taibbi talked about, and I think it's worth considering the larger implications of it.
What do you guys think?
ian crossland
I get the vibe that these people are using like an ends justify the means mentality where, you know, I have a friend, a really good friend, like my first friend that I ever knew.
We've been friends 45 years, 43 or something.
And he was like, sometimes, you know, you just have to punch.
He was like the punch a Nazi mindset.
I don't remember exactly the way worded.
He's like, sometimes you got to use violence to stop evil.
I'm like, no, dude, then you become the evil.
That's not the way to do it.
He's like, sometimes you need to use dishonest tactics to beat evil.
And I'm like, that is not the path.
That makes you evil.
And maybe he's right, because George Washington, dishonest, sowed confusion in his enemies, won the war.
So there's an argument, I see, but we're not at war in the United States.
We're all civilians living a normal life.
You're not supposed to like...
But they are at war.
I mean, this is something that I've certainly come around to in recent years.
You're not, and I'm glad you're not, and I'm glad you're not that type of person, but they are.
thought that it would just the ends of making sure Trump didn't get into the White House
would justify it.
jesse kelly
But they are at war.
I mean, this is this is something that I've certainly come around to in recent years.
You're not and I'm glad you're not and I'm not I'm glad you're not that type of person.
But they are we make this mistake, or at least I shouldn't say I shouldn't lump anywhere
when we make this mistake on the right all the time of we set we take our values and
we put them on the communists.
Well, I wouldn't go too far.
Well, I wouldn't say this or I wouldn't say that.
I wouldn't just lie to get through this.
We're constantly taking our values and projecting them onto people who do not share our values.
They would.
In their minds, right or wrong, and they're obviously wrong, but right or wrong, in their minds they are at war with the An evil, racist, misogynistic United States of America that deserves to be brought to its knees.
Now, we can call them nutjobs, and they are, but we have to acknowledge whether or not we are, they are at war, and they act like they're at war.
It would never occur to one of these commies to have possession of Twitter and have the ability to stop us and not use it.
That's how the right thinks.
Well, I should abstain from using power.
They don't think that way at all.
They use power when they get it.
tim pool
Some high-profile leftist personalities actually said this.
When it was announced that Elon was gonna buy the platform earlier in the year, we started seeing all of these people say, oh no, now we're gonna get banned, he's gonna come for us.
And there was one Twitter exchange with a prominent leftist where they were like, Elon is trying to restore people, why would you think that he's gonna censor you?
And then someone said something like, it's because they're projecting, and someone said, exactly, because we know how power is wielded.
So you basically had these conversations among prominent leftists where they were like, We expect the right to come after us and censor us, because that's exactly what we do, and that's how you use power.
And people on the right are, I say right loosely because it's like libertarians, moderates, former liberals, keep doing this thing.
Like, I'll give you an example.
Rick Santorum comes on the show.
Glad to have him.
And he said, we can't impeach Joe Biden.
We have to play by the rules.
We can't And it's like Joe Biden is suspected of very serious crimes and corruption and you're saying we shouldn't do it, we shouldn't do it because we don't want to stoop to their level.
And if only one side is actively engaged, well then only one side is actually going to win.
Here's the best part.
They say the exact same thing about what we talk about.
They say there's a culture war happening and the right are the only ones fighting it.
Meanwhile, Republicans have no agenda, they're sitting on their hands, and even if they do take Congress, they're taking Congress now, we're likely going to see very little done.
jesse kelly
Oh, we'll see nothing done.
Actually, no, I take that back.
That's not fair.
Sorry.
No, no, no.
unidentified
Go ahead, go ahead.
jesse kelly
No, no, no.
We'll see plenty done.
It'll still be more of the left because of the absolute eunuchs we have that run the Republican Party.
It is the low-T GOP.
They'll work with the Democrats.
for two years and they'll brag that they're spending a little bit less.
We're not being as radical as they are, but still we'll only go left
because, like I said, we have this nutless party that's supposed to
represent us and they don't actually represent anybody except themselves and
their lobbyists in Washington DC. Normal working people who just want to be left
alone have virtually no representation in DC. I just want to make a quick point
luke rudkowski
here because you're right on the money when you said low-key GOP, but I also see
it as the GOP also setting up the infrastructure which will be later down
the line used against them.
If you remember, after 9-11, the GOP set up a national security state which now is turning inwards instead of outwards and is looking at the people who set them up, the political party who set them up, as enemies of the state, punishing them, censoring them, Not allowing them to organize, not allowing them to do anything and have any kind of significance when it comes to future political power.
So the GOP, even though they're low-key, they do deserve to be criticized for setting up the DHS for censoring people.
They should be criticized for setting up this national security state which is used against the people.
tim pool
I want to give you guys an example.
And it probably requires a lot of examples so you can understand the difference.
When you get like a right-wing group, say the Proud Boys, marching through Portland, the right will say nothing in their defense.
I mean like prominent politicians and things like that.
In fact, they'll probably be like, we reject white supremacy.
Donald Trump, stand back and stand by, which is a wacky nonsensical statement.
When Far leftists across the country started burning down buildings and quite literally killing people in the summer of love.
Joe Biden's campaign and Kamala Harris herself solicited donations to bail these people out.
That's an easy, easy example of the asymmetrical culture war.
The right will be like, Hey, look, you know, we're, we're not a fan of what's going on here.
We condemn it because it's wrong.
And the left will be like, we can say that whenever we want, we can criticize you for your bad actions, but we're going to give money to our bad actors.
And there's nothing you can do.
I'll give you another example.
When January 20th, 2017, when far-left extremist Antifa went around smashing windows and setting a car on fire in Washington, D.C., and then there was a mass arrest, they actually sued the city of D.C.
and won.
Antifa won, I think like a million-plus or some ridiculous number, and most of their charges were dropped.
That's asymmetrical.
jesse kelly
Well, it was Mao who said, all political power comes from the barrel of a gun.
If you were to poll the average American, not just left or right, but just go find ten people in the mall somewhere and ask them who commits political acts of violence, most of those people would say the right.
And I want to make sure I give them credit because they chronicled it, I didn't.
Breitbart actually listed all 395 incidents of assault and murder against Trump supporters during Trump's four years in office.
It's a laundry list of people getting shot in the head, Molotov cocktail, it is nasty yet people don't know about this.
Why don't they know about it?
Because the people who bring us the news in this country, I know people think this is too harsh, they actually want to see you hurt.
They do.
It's not that they're ignoring it.
They're not biased.
They're not liberal.
They're not to the left.
No, no, no.
They are actually your mortal enemy.
And if you were to get shot in the face for what you believe crossing the street tonight, not a single one of them would shed a tear.
They wouldn't even report on it because they'd be thrilled about it.
tim pool
They would report on it.
What's the old saying?
Do you know?
If it bleeds, at least.
And so what they would do is, is they would, well, to be fair, though.
luke rudkowski
They would write articles saying that they were asking for it.
tim pool
They would say, like, you know, mutual conflict.
My favorite article pertaining to this goes back to the 529 insurrection at the White House, where NBC wrote, what is it, they said, they said, St.
John's Church set fire after peaceful protest becomes destructive, or something to that effect.
Instead of saying, violent extremists tore down barricades at White House, injuring law enforcement officers, and setting fire to buildings, they said, peaceful protest turns destructive.
jesse kelly
I use the example a lot that we are sandwiched.
And when I say we, I'm just talking about normal people.
Not just people in this room who are highly informed.
Normal people.
Friends of yours.
We are sandwiched and people don't realize it.
Because what's happened is, you mentioned the people who got out without charges.
There was some commie hag in New York City, I forget her name, Molotov Cocktailed an NYPD cop car.
And I believe she just got 18 months.
I think she could have got 20, 30 years.
Slap on the wrist and she's gone.
What happens is they own every institution now from the DOJ on down, and they also own most of the vile mentally ill street scum at the bottom who's more than willing to commit acts of terror.
So Joe Biden will get up behind the podium and he'll call you a threat to democracy, you'll end the republic, a Nazi white supremacist.
The vile street scum understand that they have nothing to live for and they understand those are marching orders and they also understand if they were to do something that the people on the top will run a protection racket for them in the bottom.
And so who's screwed?
We're screwed.
The normal people in the middle who don't have any protection.
tim pool
I want to pull up this tweet from Matt Taibbi.
It's tweet number 8 in the Twitter Files expose.
He says, by 2020, requests from connected actors to delete tweets were routine.
One executive would write to another, more to review from the Biden team, the reply would come back, handled.
Libs of TikTok did the digging and found that these accounts that were listed by the Biden administration as needing to be banned were in fact suspended.
More so, Andrew Kerr says, I've pulled web archives of three of these tweets.
All three are homemade Hunter Biden porn and Hunter Biden pics pulled from his laptop.
These tweets don't contain any info on Hunter Biden's business dealings, just porn.
Can't immediately find archives of the other two tweets.
The Biden administration was embarrassed about a family member unrelated to the campaign, as far as I know, and Twitter obliged in removing negative information.
Here's the best part.
October 24th, 2020, within a couple weeks of the election, the Biden administration was in contact with Twitter to remove damaging information, images, etc.
jesse kelly
It goes to show that the people in the middle we were just talking about, what chance do they have to know the truth ever about anything?
When you really think about it, I understand everyone here is going to do digging and things, and it's not going to be a problem for the people in this room, but the normal person, wife, husband, kids, goes to school, maybe has a job, maybe two jobs, how do you ever Find the truth.
If the only time you consume the news is maybe you sit down at night and you turn on NBC or ABC for 15 minutes.
Yeah, maybe they're a little biased, but I'm catching headlines.
How do you explain to that person that every single thing you were told on the television set is a lie?
How do you explain to that person that the Biden family is actually a criminal network by all?
All appearances make it look like a criminal network when you look at Tony Bobulinski and others, and they'll never find out even on Twitter, because like you just pointed out, anything damaging about this family gets axed right away. I feel bad for so many normal Americans
who are obsessed politicos like us because you live in a world of make-believe
unidentified
and you don't even know it. You have no idea. And seven, eight
tim pool
years of it.
So they say, do you know, what is it, the ship of Theseus?
unidentified
Was that the old story? I went to community college.
tim pool
You know it's like you have a boat and you replace a part of it.
Is it still the same boat?
What if you dismantle the whole boat and then slowly replace it?
So then you reconstruct the other parts and now you have two ships, which one's the real ship?
It's an interesting concept.
I totally just lost my train of thought.
luke rudkowski
I think after nine there's ten that I think is also worth noting and putting up there which I think is worth discussing because I do see Washington DC sort of like Lord of the Rings and power that political parties wield against each other is that ring that all the parties refuse to throw away but want more of that power and authority but number ten reads I don't know if you want to read it Tim or if I should.
tim pool
You read it.
luke rudkowski
It says by Matt Taibbi, both parties had access to these tools.
For instance, in 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and Biden campaign were received and honored.
However, Eleven goes on and then explains how it was mainly Democrats using this system, but in fact, the Trump administration did use it as well, which makes you wonder who did it first and what kind of Pandora box was opened from here.
tim pool
Except I think your framing is incorrect.
The point he made in 11 is that because most of the people who work at Twitter are leaning towards the Democrat Party, they are the ones who are—that was the bias.
So when we hear that Trump had the ability to flag tweets to his campaign, it's kind of like, yes, of course.
Conservatives are on Twitter.
Liberals are on Twitter.
And when conservatives complain, they get told, shut up.
And when liberals complain, they say, okay, we'll take care of business.
That's the political bias that is being proven beyond a doubt.
Confirmation 100%.
That's exactly what they're being accused of.
luke rudkowski
Obviously, the Democrats had more of an overwhelming advantage on big tech social media, mainly because of the connections there.
But also, a lot of these big tech companies understand that the Democrats are the party that is going to allow them to do whatever they want to do and not regulate them or not even put them in any kind of check or any kind of line when it comes to accountability and transparency here.
But it does read that the Trump administration, the Trump White House, did do this, did use these tools, and they were honored, which I think is worth noting, if they were the first ones, because if they were, they opened the Pandora box, which deserves to be criticized, in my opinion.
tim pool
Yes, perhaps, but just to point out, the ability to report someone for a tweet is not remarkable to me.
The fact that Twitter is biased and because of their bias catered to Democrats is the confirmation I think we're looking for.
jesse kelly
I think to kind of piggyback off your point a little bit on that Luke is you say it's because you know they're biased and things like that and all that stuff is obviously true but if I can compliment Democrats actually here I think people at Big Tech and people in other companies, other industries understand full well when the Democrats will come after them if they prove themselves to be the enemy of the Democratic Party.
Democrats have proven that time and time and time again.
Look what they're doing with the oil industry right now.
The President of the United States of America feels totally comfortable going on social media and saying, we're about to raise your taxes if you don't pump more oil.
Okay, that's an impeachable offense right there.
You're the President of the United States of America.
You're not the dictator.
You can't do that.
But Democrats will follow through on those.
Whereas you have the low TGOP, they would never choose to punish their enemies in corporate America.
If you even have one that attempts to do so, like there have been some attempts in Florida to do so, you'll have half the right immediately come out and say, that's not who we are!
Wait guys, that's not who we are!
Democrats would never say that's not who we are.
So it only makes sense, frankly, if you're in corporate America, to serve the Democrats, because they're going to punish you if you don't.
And you know the losers in the Republican Party won't ever do anything.
That's not who we are.
luke rudkowski
Where DeSantis also is getting a lot of attention because of his actions against Disney.
He also pulled the state out of the BlackRock ESG social credit score system as well a couple days ago, which I think is worth noting as well.
So I do see his popularity because he's willing to stand up against a lot of these bigger corporations, but also these bigger corporations naturally will understand that, hey, someone's threatening my power here.
I better go over to the party that we're going to fortify in power.
And I think we're in a position where Mark Zuckerberg has already donated hundreds of millions of dollars and has fortified the Democrats' future in this country for the next 10, 20, 30, 40, maybe even 50 years.
I don't see the Republicans winning because of how much they have invested in this larger game, which they have, you know, swayed for their own personal benefit.
ian crossland
I think both these parties are complete trash.
It's a bunch of people that are I'm trying to get clout, and it's a popularity contest.
They get bribes from lawyers to pass certain laws.
It's disgusting.
The whole process is absolutely disgusting and it's destined for destruction.
tim pool
Ian, you rolled a 100 on the 100-sided dice.
ian crossland
Thanks.
I wish it was more positive, 100.
It was definitely 100 in a negative vein.
But this is part of why I'm not like, I do not support what Kanye said, the way he said
stuff, but I support a fresh energy in politics.
Even if it means it's a risk of stepping, they know where you live now, you're in the
White House, like that's a risk, but I can't stand by and watch it fall apart.
tim pool
Jesse looked confused for a second.
There's a meme, when you roll a 20 in Dungeons and Dragons, it means it's like a perfect
success and when you roll a one, it means a perfect failure.
So whenever Ian says something, people will rate him in the chat as either a one total
failure or a 20 total success.
But he has a 100-sided die over there.
So when he said both parties are trash, I said, you rolled a 100.
It's like, it could not be better.
jesse kelly
I could not have been more lost.
Explain that to me.
I wanted to roll 100, I just didn't know what it meant.
ian crossland
You will.
Yeah, you'll roll many 100s in your life.
tim pool
I think you did, several times.
But just chiming in with both parties being trash.
luke rudkowski
I agree.
ian crossland
Saying both parties is a little mind-controlling.
I've already been subverted.
luke rudkowski
You're also insulting trash, though.
ian crossland
Trash can be repurposed and turned into graphene.
jesse kelly
I will say, to what you just said Ian, which I agree with, both parties trash, you're ready for something new, that this is why though, this is why I believe, just allow me to go here for a second, this is why I believe we're actually heading down a very, very dark path as a country, because this is not unique for America.
We are a late-stage republic.
We've lasted about as long as a major empire generally lasts, and then things start to come apart as things get more and more corrupt and things start to fray a little bit.
And then the people hunger for exactly what you just said, exactly what I agree with you on.
I want something fresh.
But something fresh is almost always something bad.
It's almost always something bad that sounds good.
They choose to go to the guy who will rise up and say, I will change.
I will punish these bad people.
I will do this for you.
And that's how nations have consistently, time and time again, ended up with some kind of horrific dictator.
Because the people who are in charge suck, and I'll eventually get to the point where I'm so sick of them, I'll pick anybody who's going to go beat up these people.
And that's where I think we're going, sadly.
luke rudkowski
Dorsey's involvement here is also interesting because, as Matt Taibbi points out, he didn't know that a lot of this was happening.
I mean, some people are questioning that, like, is that really possible here?
But the last kind of statement by Matt Taibbi right now says that, quote, there are multiple instances in the files of Dorsey intervening to question suspensions and other moderation actions for accounts across the political spectrum.
Now, if he was questioning and intervening and trying to stop some of this, which it looks like he was, he was absolutely unsuccessful in doing so.
So was Vijaya Gaidi calling the shots here?
Was she really in charge here?
And was Dorsey just a representative figure that couldn't do anything and just sit on his hands?
I think it's worth asking after looking at these kind of documents.
What do you guys think?
Tim, you talk to these people.
Was Vijaya more in charge of Jack or is Jack more capable here?
tim pool
A lot of people had said that she was the one who was actually in charge.
Jack Dorsey was just a figurehead.
He had left the company, I think.
I don't know the exact time frame, but didn't they bring him back after Dick Costolo or whatever?
ian crossland
Yeah, they brought him back to be CEO for the second time.
tim pool
But he wasn't really the CEO, as a lot of people said.
I don't think he was either.
I think he was a figurehead.
It's like, he's the founder, we need confidence in the company, so bring him back.
He had very little stake in the company at that point.
He had very little control over it.
And he would say all of these beautiful things that never happened.
ian crossland
It's kind of like what Apple did with Steve Jobs.
He left.
They realized, oh, we're failing now.
We need the vision again.
Bring back the visionary.
But, you know, at some point, it's the owners that run the network.
And I think the owners invested or vested a lot of faith in Vijaya and basically gave her carte blanche to make decisions.
And if she violated their wants, then they would have let her know.
jesse kelly
I kind of disagree with that a little bit, because I don't think they ever worry about owning, and I don't think they ever worry about popularity.
The communists have done this very, very well for a very long time.
They worry about—I brought it up a little bit earlier—they worry about the choke points.
Just go find and control the choke points, and then you control the company.
I really need to not say her name.
I'm going to screw that up and say something I don't want to say.
The Gotti chick.
She's not a majority opinion, like I brought up at the beginning.
I was surprised by the amount of pushback there was within Twitter.
Hey, do we even have justification for this?
Well, she didn't care.
She was in the one spot where she could be.
She found the one spot in the company she could get to where she could make sure that she could play God, and she got there and she played God.
They do this all the time in endless walks of life, way beyond Twitter.
An example, you hear people complain all the time now about there being some small red town in Oklahoma somewhere, some small 5,000 person town in Oklahoma.
They're having a child drag show and people are freaking out.
How does this happen?
It's a 98% Republican town.
Well, how it happens, if you ever dig into it, and I've dug into these things before, it's never the majority of the town.
They don't need the majority of the town.
What they needed was one guy at the city parks department who sought out that position for that specific goal.
He found the choke point and then he pushed it.
That's how these things happen.
The truth is the commies have always been better at government than anyone on the right.
Libertarians, conservatives, nationalists, whatever you want to call yourself.
Because they live and die for it.
It's their profession.
It's their religion.
So you've never been to a city council meeting.
Most people watching, even Tim Cass, as big as this show is, 1% of this audience has ever been to a city council meeting.
They never miss the City Council.
luke rudkowski
The state is their religion and they love telling people what to do.
jesse kelly
Of course!
tim pool
I will say that of our audience and guests, we get some credit because Alex Stein has certainly been to many, many meetings.
He was here yesterday.
He does a good job.
I want to pull up this tweet here because this is a really good point.
Former VP of global comms Brandon Borman asks, can we truthfully claim that this is part of the policy?
And this goes to show that when they censored the Hunter Biden laptop, Internally, they knew they had fabricated a reason for censoring politically damaging information on the Democrats.
And this is him saying, can we truthfully claim that's part of the policy, like the hacked materials thing?
When this story dropped and they said, you can't publish hacked things, everyone went, you just made that up!
At the same time as they're saying you can't do that, there were other hacked materials that were going around disparaging people like Trump.
What about the taxes and stuff like that, right?
Files that get leaked they never cared about.
Now, all of a sudden, they made up a fake policy to enforce.
It's not just that we can see Democrats were well-connected and they were banning people.
We can see internally they were struggling with some kind of way to publicly justify overt political bias to benefit Democrats.
jesse kelly
And look how brilliant it was, again, I want to give them credit, look how brilliant it was that even when they knew they screwed up, and obviously as you just pointed out, they knew they screwed up, they still didn't pull back.
They didn't pull back because they knew they only had the last of the election.
The right would never do something like this.
The right has spent the last week and a half tripping all over themselves to denounce this and condemn that and I absolutely condemn this.
Oh my goodness, don't associate me with that.
They don't think in those terms.
They're thinking, hey, let's just batten down the hatches for three weeks.
Who cares if we're a bunch of dirty liars?
Let's win an election.
We'll hash it out at the end.
tim pool
It is one of the best quotes I've heard.
I can't remember who said it.
Republicans care more about the opinion of the New York Times than the opinion of their constituents.
jesse kelly
Oh, 100% yes.
If people really understood how these people, how the Republican Party talks about their base behind their back, they'd probably vote Democrat.
That's how bad it is.
They have such disrespect for their base.
They spit in their face all the time, over and over and over and over and over again.
I can't stand it.
ian crossland
It's totally a defunct party.
jesse kelly
It's garbage.
tim pool
But MAGA Party changed it a bit.
The MAGA candidates who came in are different from the established Republicans, but the established Republicans still have control of the whole thing.
Like, Trump did come in and take control in a certain respect, but you can see how 2016 to 2018, no.
You know, Paul Ryan, Republicans had everything, it got nothing done.
Republicans side with Democrats on the Russiagate nonsense, and then you get into the next phase and then you end up with Republicans outright just going
and joining Democrats, neocon Republicans forming political action committees
saying, we're just going after Trump. And then as soon as Trump is
out, they say, well, you know, it's the it's Trumpism. It's Trumpism. So
they were never honest.
jesse kelly
15. Oh, we're gonna say, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Ian.
15 Republicans voted with Democrats on a gun control bill.
Nobody can name for me, nobody, no one can name for me one time 15 Democrats crossed over and voted with the GOP on a Republican bill.
Nobody can name that.
tim pool
This is a really good example that Michael Maus brought up on the show a while ago.
He said something to the effect of, Republicans compromise every time on gun control, Democrats... Like, when have you seen a Republican campaign on, we're going to repeal the NFA, we're going to repeal gun control?
It's always, say nothing, and then say, well, we'll give a little bit to the Democrats on gun control.
So, that's the gag.
It's Republicans or Democrats going the speed limit.
ian crossland
Gun control is such a manipulated phrase, because you have to learn how to control a gun.
Gun control is like your hand manipulation of the weapon, and for them to say that banning guns is a form of control is just a disgusting methodology.
luke rudkowski
They control the language too, especially when they control social media, so we've got to start changing these things.
It's not gun control, it's disarming lawful citizens in order to make them future victims.
How do we surmise that and make that into a short phrase so it's catchy?
But again, language is key, and a lot of the times the Republicans are just a part of the uni-party.
They're a part of a system that serves a special corporate class, and whether it's, you know, multinational corporations, whether it's big banks, there's a lot of other influential people that are a lot more powerful than politicians that are truly pulling the strings here.
And Republicans and Democrats, I don't care.
At the end of the day, they serve not you, not the people, they serve someone else beyond the, you know, people with the government.
jesse kelly
I live in Texas, big oil state, right?
Everyone knows Texas, big oil state.
Not only a red state, but a big oil state.
In my red state of Texas, and I live in a blood red part of a blood red state of Texas, every single two, every two years when they're running for House, you can watch Republican congressmen in safe seats, in safe seats, run commercials talking about reduce carbon.
We can reduce carbon.
Well, we can reduce carbon.
The second you've told everybody, the second you've given the ground that carbon is poison, you've already lost to the climate change.
nutters. And this, these are people who could safely say, I love carbon, I want more carbon, build coal plants, build
everything and say, well, we can reduce carbon guys.
tim pool
I make we got an another tweet that just came in from Matt Saiby. And pertaining to the hacked materials policy, he
says, the problem with the hacked materials ruling, several sources said, was that this normally required an official
law enforcement finding of a hack, but such a finding never appears throughout what one executive describes as a
is a whirlwind 24 hour company wide mess.
Let me simplify this for you guys.
They said, okay, we can justify suppressing this really, really bad news about the political party we like under our hacked policy, our hacked materials policy.
And they said, but it wasn't hacked.
It was found, it was found.
Uh, what do we do?
All hands on deck.
I guess we're going to just lie about it.
They could not justify their own policy, which everyone knew was BS.
They made up a rule to suppress this that they couldn't even satisfy.
Their fake rule could not even be satisfied.
So they just did it anyway.
luke rudkowski
There probably was other communications that we still don't know about between Vijaya and the Department of Homeland Security and probably the Federal Bureau of Investigations, if you remember a couple months ago.
Mark Zuckerberg came out on the Joe Rogan podcast and said specifically, you know, the FBI came to us.
They said that there was hacked information and that we should be careful of this.
And this led us to, of course, stop the Hunter Biden laptop story from being shared.
So this was not just Twitter doing this.
This was Facebook.
This was Instagram.
This was Google.
This was YouTube.
All the big tech social media companies made the same decision at the same time.
So is this all of Injaya?
No.
There's probably another secret kind of backdoor communications between a lot of these heads that really do call the shots at a lot of these networks and of course the government saying you better do this or else.
Now they probably signed a lot of non-disclosures.
There's probably a lot of secret communications.
I think this is only just scratching the surface of what we're finding out here, and I think it gets a lot more sinister, a lot more deeper when you see this story not just censored by Twitter, but censored by everybody at the same time.
Coincidence?
I don't believe so.
I don't believe in coincidences.
Quintessences are just secrets that the government is hiding from everything we're learning within the last few
unidentified
days.
jesse kelly
Well, remember too, the Facebook thing. A lot of people actually don't realize this.
They remember the Mark Zuckerberg thing, and they remember him talking to Joe Rogan and saying the FBI came to us.
What many people do not understand is the time frame of that.
The FBI did not go to Facebook and tell them to censor the Hunter Biden story after the Hunter Biden story was
published.
The FBI, because they were tapping Rudy Giuliani's phones and everything else, because they were spying on him, they preempted the publication of the story and went to Facebook before the Hunter Biden story was published and told them It's coming.
It's Russian information.
I want to make sure you censor it.
That is so much more frightening than anything else that's going on to understand that the Cheka currently operates within the borders of the United States of America and people don't realize it.
They don't have any idea exactly how frightening things are happening at the DOJ and FBI.
That's way beyond Twitter.
That is scary stuff.
ian crossland
Is that confirmed that they went before the story released?
jesse kelly
Correct.
You talked to Miranda Devine, great, great columnist at the New York Post.
She's super sharp.
She'll explain the whole thing for you, the whole time frame.
They went to Facebook before the story.
They spied, stole the information, then preempted the story.
luke rudkowski
This is another important aspect here because they said it was Russian disinformation.
They knew it wasn't because they interviewed Tony Bobulinski that confirmed the story.
They knew the laptop was real.
They knew everything inside of that laptop was legitimate.
They had the evidence.
They had everything in front of them.
And then they decided at the FBI Well, this is going to hurt Biden.
Let's just turn this into Russian disinformation.
Let's go around, tell everyone that this is it, preemptively, which is even more sinister than, you know, Venjaya just saying, I don't like this, bye.
jesse kelly
People need to, when you look at history, You look at the monsters of history, those have certainly been coming up a lot recently, you know, the various monstrous dictators of history from Mao to Stalin to Hitler to all these people, they're all coming up.
Well, people do realize that Mao and Stalin and Hitler, after they took power, didn't actually kill anyone, right?
Their state police did.
If you have the building of a state police that's loyal to only one party within the borders of the United States of America, whether people realize it or not, there's nothing else that comes close to the danger of that.
If the Federal Bureau of Investigation is now fully the enforcement arm of the Democratic Party, That trumps inflation, that trumps the border, that trumps taxes.
There's nothing else that matters unless that is stopped.
That will end the United States of America.
It will.
They have the power to destroy anybody already, and it's only getting worse.
ian crossland
Did you see the Chinese busing people, like grabbing citizens and taking them and putting them on buses?
There's no one to protect them.
You can't invade.
I don't think ethically we could not invade to stop it.
It would just cause more hell.
So we sit and watch as they bust their citizens off to concentration camps.
jesse kelly
Well, why would we invade when our government's on the same side as China?
Our government already came out recently and said, no, no, what Elon Musk is doing at Twitter, man, we're keeping an eye on that.
Oh, Apple is actually actively helping the Chinese Communist Party crush the Freedom Fighters?
Oh, well, that's a private company, not our big deal.
Our government works with China.
They're not on opposite sides.
luke rudkowski
There's a reason Klaus Schwab just said that China is a role model for many countries moving forward for the new world as as he described it and and and again what's happening in China is what's going to be happening here if we keep on this trajectory of allowing federal authorities to abuse their power to hurt people because of their political expression and to suppress larger ideas of discontent and debate.
We're seeing an intervention in our society that is destroying any kind of legitimate pushback against an illegitimate authority that is abusing their power.
And it's extremely dangerous if we keep on this road.
tim pool
We got the final wrap-up from Matt Saiby.
He says, it's been a whirlwind 96 hours for me, too.
There is much more to come, including answers to questions about issues like shadow banning, boosting follower counts, the fate of various individual accounts, and more.
These issues are not limited to the political right.
Good night, everyone.
Thanks to all those who picked up the phone in the last few days.
ian crossland
Good work, Matt.
tim pool
Yeah, Matt's fantastic.
He's been doing a good job for a long time.
ian crossland
Elon, too.
Nice work, man.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
jesse kelly
That's gutsy, to buy a company and then put that out there.
He didn't have to do that.
tim pool
I- I- I get why Vijay Agade was crying.
Every single time more information comes out.
She never thought somebody could muster up $44 billion to buy the company.
She thought she was invincible.
And now her private communications are being exposed to show the malfeasance.
ian crossland
I wonder if she thought that she'd get thrown in prison if she said no and just went- printed it anyway.
jesse kelly
I don't think that woman needed any convincing to crush her enemies on the right.
I think she was licking her chops the second she got the opportunity to.
Who's going to throw her in prison?
The FBI?
She'll probably be their director next year.
tim pool
That's right.
Yeah, she'll be the chief legal trust and safety team for the FBI.
luke rudkowski
If she wasn't working for them the whole time already, right?
I mean, that's a fair speculation to make here.
What if she was just working for the feds the whole time?
ian crossland
That's possible.
But I mean, the difference between an informant and an employee is like nil in this environment.
They just PayPal you $700,000 in Bitcoin into some wallet, and then you don't have to work for them to be working for them.
jesse kelly
Yeah, the FBI just got done plotting the assassination and kidnapping of the governor of Michigan, which we now know because of that trial where they found two boobs who were living in the basement of some vacuum cleaner place.
And a bunch of feds came in and bribed these guys to come- they paid for and organized every bit of the plot and then they gave the guy the explosives and then busted him with the explosives they gave the guy and then charged him with the- And they had more feds than they actually had legitimate people that were stupid enough to hang around the feds.
ian crossland
That's true.
This is the Gretchen Whitmer case.
That's real insanity, man.
tim pool
It's what the FBI does.
ian crossland
It creates villains so that there's a reason for the FBI to exist.
I mean, there is real mafia on Earth that we could be focusing on right now.
luke rudkowski
There's a quick meme that I just posted really quickly of the FBI being really happy and giddy looking at someone.
There's that black guy in the yellow suit kind of grasping his hands, and over there is just someone who's lonely, doesn't have any friends, and is mentally ill.
And it's the FBI looking over at that individual.
tim pool
I'll tell you what I think.
The FBI is going after the political opponents of the current administration.
Pro-life activists are getting raided, people who are incorrectly associated with January 6th had their homes raided, and then the protesters that are marching in front of the justices' homes illegally are, well, they're fine, right?
And so what happens is, that's what the FBI is doing, they're weaponized.
Not every single FBI agent, they're, you know, I've had dealings with law enforcement based on the stuff we've gone through, and so I think it's a corrupt element with very much high power in the D.C.
But what happens is, every so often, they need to justify their budget, so they have specific teams, it's like, okay, you know, we're gonna go before Congress, we need more money, you guys go stage a fake terror threat so that we can parade in front of the press and then we can get our budgets pumped up.
jesse kelly
And I'm sure it's just an accident that fake Gretchen Whitmer plot, it got publicized October right before the election, right when they're trying to build a narrative of the vine, the right wingers.
Miraculously, all the arrests were made and an October surprise.
I'm sure that's just a total coincidence.
And speaking of January 6th and people unfairly associated with it, what about the people who actually are associated with it and they're still not being treated fairly?
We talk about China and their human rights abuses all the time, and rightfully so, because China's a piece of trash country.
Well, their government's a piece of trash.
But in the United States of America, as we speak, we have United States citizens who have been held without trial now for two years.
If you watch Vladimir Putin do that, you'd hear every single Tom, Dick, and Harry in this country talk about how he's a dictator, and that's horrible, and I'm just glad I live in the West.
That's happening right now in the United States of America.
I don't care what you did.
I don't care if you murdered somebody.
Two years without trial?
You're being unfairly treated by the justice system, let alone sauntering into the Capitol and snapping a selfie in front of Nancy Pelosi's desk, and you're holding these guys in terrible conditions for two years?
That's not some distant dystopian future.
That's right now the country you live in.
tim pool
You know, we're frogs in a pot as the water starts boiling, because I say it often, but if you were to describe the events of this year, last year, the year before, to someone six, seven years ago, they would tell you you were lying.
jesse kelly
A hundred percent.
tim pool
Like, imagine going to someone in 2015 being like, well, it's 2020, after the pandemic and Donald Trump's presidency, there was a risk of war because China had concentration camps.
What are you talking about?
Well, Elon Musk, he bought Twitter, right?
What?
Yeah.
ian crossland
When they were signing the National Defense Authorization Act or the Patriot Act, if they were like, oh, and by the way, before we sign this, we just want to let you know in 20 years, we're going to arrest 200 people that when there's a riot at the Capitol, I'd be like, uh, wait, what?
And then they'll be like, well, how many people did they kill?
They didn't kill anybody.
But we're going to throw him in prison for two years.
jesse kelly
It's funny you brought up the Patriot Act, Ian, because, man, I've been wrong about a lot.
I've screwed up a lot of things in my life.
But when the Patriot Act, when all that stuff was going down, I was a young hothead.
I was a Marine at the time.
And I was like, yeah, screw those terrorists.
Oh, quit being paranoid.
They're not going to use it on us.
Let's go kill all the terrorists.
Tap all their phones.
And all the Ron Paul people were all super loud about it.
No, they're going to use it on citizens.
And I remember... That was me.
I remember, oh, you guys are idiots.
Stop being paranoid.
If you didn't do anything wrong, you don't have to worry about it.
Man, did they get that one right or not.
luke rudkowski
I was screaming, like, don't you guys read history?
Don't you understand what happens with the political system when you give them too much power, when you give them too much authority?
Obviously, the gun or the knife that you make is going to be pointed back at you eventually.
And that's the problem with government.
Too many people believe government's going to be their solution.
And they keep empowering it by giving it more legitimacy.
And I think, truly, the best way to do this, to push away, is to be personally responsible and not need government, and not to call for more government.
So this is why I've been standing strong in my views for such long about this one particular aspect, which I think is important.
But thank you for admitting it and talking about it, because a lot of other people were like, You know, either one, ignore it, don't want to think about it, or two, are doubling down and like, yeah, we need more national security.
And I'm like, do you see what they're doing?
jesse kelly
Yeah, no, we need to eliminate virtually every federal agency and anything short of that's going to result in the end of the country.
That's what we need.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
ian crossland
Yeah, God.
tim pool
Welcome to the modern dystopia, my friends.
Yeah, it's it's it gets crazier by the minute.
And there are a lot of people I see on Twitter where they're like, you know, not necessarily on Twitter, but I hear people saying like, Something I've heard consistently is that it's not that crazy.
Things are not getting crazier.
It's just people are grifting or whatever, or they're trying to get views or clicks.
And I'm just like, Elon Musk bought Twitter.
Like, a billionaire mustered up $44 billion, bought one of the big three social networks, and now he's leaking internal communications, proving malfeasance.
Like, it is getting crazier.
Things are escalating.
Now, this is good news, though.
I think we've had a tremendously good past couple of weeks, especially with what Elon is doing.
And so, you know, I'm not saying it's like... It is getting bad in a lot of ways, but the night is always darkest before the dawn.
These are the things that need to happen before we can start fixing them.
We gotta see the malfeasance exposed.
jesse kelly
Agreed.
Well, we're gonna have, we're gonna have, I call our corrupt, you know, I call it the system.
You know, the government coordinating with the media, coordinating with the pharmaceutical companies, coordinating with education, the administrative state, they're all, they all believe the same thing now.
All of our cultural institutions have been taken over and I call it the system.
And there are going to be system disruptors that arise.
I would argue Donald Trump was the first of those.
Very much to his credit, he was the first of those.
Elon Musk is very clearly a system disruptor as well.
Now, bad news for Donald Trump and bad news for Elon Musk, the system's very powerful and has a way of smashing those disruptors.
I actually, I'm one of the ones who's very pessimistic about Elon Musk.
I say he's either going to bend the knee or he's going to wish he had at the end, but then another one will rise and another one will rise.
Because we're not a minority.
The people who are watching us right now and nodding their heads and agreeing, they feel alone.
There are tens of millions of us, so there'll be more system disruptors who rise.
tim pool
I think Elon made a bet.
He's on Twitter.
He sees what gets engagement and what doesn't.
And what gets engagement tends to be... centrist to right populist, you know, content.
He likes it.
It speaks to him.
He considers himself a centrist.
He puts up a poll.
Should we have a peace deal to stop the war with Ukraine and Russia?
And at first, it was like, yes, peace.
But then all of a sudden it started shifting to, no, war!
And he says, these are bots.
All these people start making fun of him.
Oh, you didn't go your ways.
You're blaming bots.
So he says, okay, let's find out.
He buys the company.
He then does the Trump poll.
52% to 48% reinstate Trump.
He then publicly says it was interesting to see the bots attack.
He then does another poll.
Should we grant general amnesty?
Now it's 72% support.
We mentioned this the other day.
How do you go from 52% saying yes to unbanning Trump to 72% saying unban everyone?
He purged the bots.
The narrative was constructed.
It was fake.
And he knows he has popular support.
jesse kelly
Oh, he does?
Well, that's what happens with a Julius Caesar type.
I mean, everyone knows who Julius Caesar is when he was rising up and fighting against the corrupt system.
Whatever you think of him, that's what he was doing.
He was able to do that, though, because he had the support of so many people.
That and the fact he was a better general than anyone else who lived, including Pompey Magnus at the time.
But when you have this many people, even if there was no Trump, no Elon, there would still be another who would pop up. And when
they get done destroying Trump and done destroying Elon, the next one who pops up, there will be
another one who pops up. Because when you have tens of millions of people who don't want to live in a
despicable late-stage republic like we have now, they will eventually choose for themselves
tim pool
someone to rise. As a late-stage republic, though, you know, we've talked about are we the fall of the Roman
Republic or the empire?
jesse kelly
Republic.
tim pool
That means we're entering the Empire period, which is 200 years of prosperity under autocracy?
jesse kelly
No, I've warned several times that a Franco is coming.
We have a Francisco Franco coming.
He is coming.
Is it Trump?
No, no.
No, see the thing about system disruptors, and I know you guys know this, but the Roman Republic, people will know the Roman Republic, and then eventually Caesar takes over, he's killed, but then from then on they were led by emperors, that was the Roman Empire.
But Caesar, everyone knows Caesar, what they don't know is there were several, they were called populares, the populace really, there were several populares before Caesar.
The Gracchi brothers and all these others, they would rise and then they'd kill him.
And then they would rise, and the system would kill them, and rise and the system would kill them.
And what happened in the end was, you got somebody who's honestly probably the most intelligent, or one of the most intelligent capable people who ever lived, Caesar, would rise.
Your first system disruptor, like Trump, gets credit for having the balls to be the first to challenge it, but he's also the dumbest.
Why?
Because he doesn't know how corrupt it is yet.
I didn't know how corrupt it was yet when Trump joined.
The next one gets smarter.
That's a good thing.
The bad thing is the next one will be meaner.
They get smarter and meaner, and then they're smarter and meaner, and then they're smarter and meaner, and soon you have one who's smart and capable enough, which is good, but then he's also mean enough.
That's where we'll go.
We will go there.
That won't be tomorrow.
This is years in the making, but they'll get smarter and meaner as we go along.
luke rudkowski
I feel like government's already pretty mean.
jesse kelly
That's why the system disruptor gets smarter and meaner, though, because they learn from the last guy's mistakes.
I can't do this.
I have to make sure I smash them.
I have to make sure I do this.
Smarter and meaner, smarter and meaner, and then sooner or later, people are getting their fingernails pulled out, and you look around and say, how did we end up with this country?
Well, that's how.
ian crossland
I'm not going for a cultural victory.
I'm going for a religious victory.
I'm done with culture, man.
I'm done trying to trick people and make them smile.
You need to look at God.
This is real.
The world is unifying.
Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, they're coming together under one God.
thinking, how do we fix the culture on earth?
And what I realized is I'm not going for a cultural victory.
I'm going for a religious victory.
I'm done with culture, man.
I'm done trying to trick people and make them smile.
You need to look at God.
This is real.
The world is unifying.
Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, they're coming together under one God.
That's the point.
unidentified
And we need that.
ian crossland
That's my new methodology is a religious victory.
jesse kelly
Do you want some of this, brother?
ian crossland
Alcohol does not treat me well.
jesse kelly
Maybe it's exactly what you need right now.
tim pool
So someone in the super chat said FDR was the first emperor, and so we've been in the empire.
Do you think?
Do you agree?
jesse kelly
No, we haven't been, but I'm noticing more and more as time goes along that we have this illusion that we can change the government, especially when it comes to the federal government.
We very clearly are not in a place where we can change the federal government.
We have this representative republic, but almost universally people are displeased with the federal government.
How does that make sense?
If we're choosing these people, but we're all displeased with these people, then what's actually going on there?
Well, what's going on there is we're run by an administrative state.
Congress doesn't run anything.
Christopher Wray went and sat in front of- Chuck Grassley is the top GOP guy in the Senate Judiciary Committee.
That's maybe the most powerful committee in all of Washington.
Grassley was the top guy.
Grassley says, hey, you gonna answer some questions?
And Christopher Wray says, sorry, I got a plane to catch.
It's my own private plane, but peace out.
See ya, Chuck.
Now, what that told me- everyone was mad at Grassley, or mad at Christopher Wray.
What it told me was, Christopher Wray, he's not concerned in the least about Congress.
We're already hearing about, we're going to have hearings and there are going to be subpoenas.
The FBI was hearing that there were going to be subpoenas early on, and you know what their response to that was?
They didn't moderate, they didn't back off, they went and arrested a pastor who read Bible verses at an abortion clinic out there.
They ramped it up.
The administrative state is not even that scared of the Republican Party, and that is the problem.
Until the administrative state fears Republicans, we'll never have anything.
luke rudkowski
Sounds like an empire to me, but I think that's an interesting discussion there, especially with FDR, because after FDR, after World War II, the United States did start expanding its empire and setting up military bases all over the world to where we are now, where the United States nearly spends more on its military than almost the whole entire world.
Not exactly, the stats are contested, especially because of the secret black budgets, especially because of what China is also doing behind the scenes, but At the same time, I think it's worth kind of considering that, yeah, maybe there was an empire after FDR, and especially when it comes to the presidents only being figureheads, and the agenda and the foreign policy and the major directions that this country has been headed in has always been kind of consistent.
And no matter if it's a Democrat or Republican, a lot of the bigger policies Don't usually change.
ian crossland
It's the British Empire, man.
After World War I, they set up Israel.
They built it with the British mandate for Palestine.
They want military bases in the Middle East to protect the Suez Canal.
That's the empire that we live under.
And that empire is about to change and become a new world empire.
So our words are guiding it.
Yeah, BRICS is another empire.
tim pool
But is that what replaces us?
ian crossland
It's either they're going to either amalgamate and one of them is going to become the new one as a larger, grander scheme, or they're all going to fall away and a new one's going to erupt.
But it's likely that one of the current ones will evolve together and kind of create pockets of a new sort of global empire.
It's going to be fiscal.
They're trying to make people get tattoos and follow them around with their phones and crap.
tim pool
You think BRICS, you know, one theory is that the U.S.
petrodollar starts to crumble and then BRICS takes over and then it's a Chinese communist unipolar world.
jesse kelly
I actually see, I've been kind of a, now I'm going to be the hopeful one.
I've been kind of cynical.
I am a little bit more hopeful on this.
Now I agree basically with what you're saying that there's, we're going into a fourth turning.
That there's going to be a gigantic, gigantic world changing events.
Wars, famines, all of these things are always inevitable.
They're always coming back around and we're going to cast off the old systems and we're going to choose new systems.
But I will say that there is something that really should give people a bit of hope.
that that we have guns lots and lots of guns in red america lots and lots of state power also we have these hugely powerful states that we still have a powerful state system now it's not as powerful as it should be but there are all these states that can and will join together and you have armed citizens there so even if every disarmed british citizen a german citizen or or or dutch citizen we see what those poor farmers are going through right now Even if everything else starts to go to crap and crumble around us, there is still, one, there's tens of millions of Americans who think like you think, and there is safety in these areas.
Some amount of safety still in these areas.
I believe there's a lot still to preserve.
Even if the federal system is all but lost, I believe there's tons still to preserve in this country.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think the American statehood is a good example of how to lead the world.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
If we could have lots of decentralized states of communities.
jesse kelly
Well, that's how America was supposed to be.
Now, slowly but surely over time, states were ceding more and more power to the federal government.
And look where we are now.
We see where that's gotten us.
But there's still a tremendous amount of infrastructure in place at our state level that even other countries like Canada, the provinces don't have that.
We do here.
Texas has its own power grid.
We have things here.
We have huge pockets of this country where people can live free, where your kids and grandkids can live free and live a life that's very similar to the life you live.
Is the federal government salvageable?
No, probably not.
They suck.
Flush it down the toilet.
But there's still a bunch of the country that is, and that's good.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, America still is one of the freest places in the world.
I mean, traveling the world, you don't have a lot of places where you could express whatever you want to express, and also at the same time be able to defend yourself.
Now, compared to what's happening in China, you could see why a lot of the top controllers, why a lot of the big politicians want a society like China, because it's easier to manage.
Because there's less freedoms.
There's less people being able to defend themselves.
This is the larger battle that I think is unfolding right now with a lot of people working and progressing towards creating a Chinese-style society here in the United States.
And I think this is the bigger fight that people need to realize.
And this is a fight not between the Republicans and the Democrats.
This is the Republicans and Democrats working together to screw everyone else over.
That's how I just see it at the end of the day.
ian crossland
If you want to know if the Chinese style of government is going to be good here, look No further than the Chinese people, because they'll tell you.
And they're revolting against their government right now.
And I've seen tanks.
The government has sent out tanks against these people.
I don't know if the videos are real, but that's what it looks like is happening.
What do you think we can do, Jesse, to help these people?
jesse kelly
To help the people of China?
Nothing.
Because our own government's against us, too.
We don't have an avenue.
Look, you can't hop in your bass boat and cross the Pacific and go invade mainland China.
What can we do?
Well, I shouldn't say nothing.
That's not true.
The power of prayer is real.
We can pray for them.
But other than that, nothing.
Now that we have our own broken government, we are sadly in a place where people are going to have to wake up and realize that the days of, you know, bouncing around the globe and being a, for the forces of good, if you ever really kind of subscribe to that sort of thing, that's going to have to go away because we have real problems here at home.
All the leaders of the Western nations, I say this all the time on my show, they all share the same characteristics now, the same three, all of them.
And that's not just America, you know, it's Germany, Britain, all of them.
No love of country.
Many of them hate their country.
You know, the leaders of our institutions, from the president to our entertainers to our athletes, many of them hate the country.
But even if they don't, there's no love of country.
If you wake up, you probably do, you wake up every single morning and something will occur to you and you'll think, man, that's bad for America.
Or man, I wish we would do this because that's good for America.
Those thoughts never enter the minds of the leaders of the Western nations now.
Two, they don't have any connection to the real world, how normal people live.
Somebody right now is watching Tim Cast and just got off of his second shift of the day and he's sitting down and just wants to watch it, catch up on things, and the people who run our society have no idea what that guy goes through.
And three, They see themselves as kings and queens.
The leaders of the West used to look at themselves as the knights who would guard the freedoms of the West.
Now they look at the freedoms of the West and they're disgusted by them.
They think the problem with the West is your freedom.
Look what we're talking about all night tonight with Twitter.
The problem is you can say whatever you want.
Well, that's ridiculous, peasant!
You can own a gun?
Oh, that's horrible!
I, as the king, should be able to tell you where to go, what to eat, where to drive, what you can say and what you can't say.
That's the problem.
tim pool
There's two ways to look at it.
That at a certain point, we lulled ourselves through our comfort into Letting these people take control of the machine?
Or we can say that over time, these people started to gain control of the machine.
You have, like you mentioned, there used to be the knights defending freedom and standing up for us.
I mean, there's the Founding Fathers, the battles they fought.
Now it's the parasitic manipulators who are leeching off the system.
And I guess the question then becomes, is it because We were apathetic and let ignorant... What's the saying?
The penalty for not being involved in politics is that your lessors will rule over you?
Or is it that evil people manipulated the system to take control from us without us realizing?
jesse kelly
It was because we were apathetic.
Evil people have always existed.
They existed 3,000 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 50 years ago.
a thousand years ago, fifty years ago.
Evil people have always been there.
We got, look, take heart in this, if some of this is bumming you out,
this was always inevitable.
This is what happens to wealthy, absurd nations.
We got absurdly wealthy in this country with a ridiculous standard of living that most parts of the world would never even recognize, and that kind of wealth makes you fat and bored and apathetic, and you just stop paying attention.
I'm sorry, were you saying something to him?
I can look up a YouTube video on brain surgery right now.
I can do whatever I want here on my phone.
Oh, what?
You're talking about the greatest phone case ever?
That's awesome.
luke rudkowski
Is that your passport photo?
tim pool
For those that didn't see, he's got his own face on his iPhone.
ian crossland
That's solid.
jesse kelly
But look, we got apathetic, but don't beat yourself up over that if you're an American.
It's human nature to get apathetic when you get rich.
When you get rich, you just kind of stop.
It happened to the Mongols.
The Mongols were this tiny little tribe in Mongolia eating mouse guts, and soon you kicked everyone's rear end.
Now you're living in Chinese silks in a Chinese mansion.
It was about one more generation, right back to Mongolia with you.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was Genghis Khan's grandson that really messed it up.
He was a drunk, and that's the downfall of that civilization.
It takes generations, but I think it happened here too.
We had the brave men 200 years ago that were willing to die to Well, not even that.
jesse kelly
Less than a hundred years ago, Ted Williams quit playing professional baseball to go fight Nazis.
Tell me the professional athlete, Pat Tillman, rest his soul aside, that would do that.
No, they're all busy crapping on the plays.
It's a different country.
luke rudkowski
What happened to Pat Tillman is a crazy story, by the way.
A lot of people don't know the full story.
ian crossland
I think it might have been Genghis Khan's youngest son, not his grandson.
tim pool
There's another element to the generational thing you're mentioning, too.
If we're talking about Rulers who conquer, and then their children screwing things up, and their grandchildren breaking everything.
The same is true for the administrative state in the United States.
I actually think one of the reasons we're starting to break through is that it's like a flippening.
The American people become gluttonous and lazy, you get a fourth turning kind of scenario where the greatest generation goes and fights wars, their kids are comfortable, their kids become rebels, the millennials become whiny babies.
But the same thing is true of The political class and the ruling class, you have these powerful intelligence individuals, you have these manipulators, and they seize control through surreptitious means, I mean like manipulating the public and wealth and things like that, have kids, those kids inherit this but have no idea how they got there, who have grandkids who have no idea how to manage the system, and that all starts falling apart as well.
jesse kelly
I think you nailed it.
I've said before, and I mean it, we have a great advantage in this country.
You know, Mao, when we talk about Mao, Mao was maybe the worst human being to ever walk the planet, obviously, but Mao was also tough as nails.
Mao came up as a guerrilla fighter who actually trained some of our Marines that actually fought in World War II, because he had to fight tooth and nail, fight a nasty war against the Nationalists.
Mao was tough.
Mao knew things.
Our commies are soft.
Our commies are pillow soft.
They all came from Harvard, and all came from... they're all driving BMWs at 16, and then you go right from there, and you're some jerk-off assistant on MSNBC, and then you're working on Congressman Loser's office, and you've never had to fight for anything.
That is the big advantage we have, our people who are normal are getting tougher, and our commies are soft.
tim pool
But this is why I think you start to see this shift where centrists are now being called right.
Joe Rogan.
I mean, he's a lefty guy in a lot of respects, but he's also extremely tough.
I love bringing up that video where the woman calls him fat, and he goes, what?
And he pulls his shirt up, and it's just like, he's like a Rockies MMA guy.
There's a reason why he's not saying, oh, vote Republican, because there's very little that Joe Rogan is going to be Bothered by in terms of the work he has to do or the things he has to overcome.
You end up with moderate or left-leaning liberals who grow up in hardship, work hard, and then when they get older, I think for like me and my friends, we're being called conservative now because we're just liberals who believe in hard work.
Who are not so frail and scared that we are like, gotta censor everything that offends us.
We're like, the worst thing ever happened to me wasn't someone insulting me, it was that time I got shot at in Chicago, you know what I mean?
So your words really don't bother me.
But then you have the really, really soft millennials, who feel physical pain when someone says a naughty word.
And that becomes the new separation between left and right, or a large component of it.
jesse kelly
Well, I think you nailed it.
They're moving so far to the left.
They are pushing people to the right.
But we should also keep in mind, they don't worry about popularity the way the right does.
It's actually a huge failure of the right.
You'll see the right do this all the time.
Roe v. Wade is a great example.
Don't care what you think about abortion.
I know I'm a hardcore pro-lifer.
More to the right on that issue than most people.
So it doesn't matter.
But the point of it is this.
They overturn Roe vs. Wade, immediately some red states start banning abortion in their states.
You saw half of the GOP politicians and pundits out there, the pundits on the right, guys this is too far!
This is going to hurt us at the midterms!
This isn't popular enough!
Ever heard one of the communists say, well, I'm worried about the popularity.
No, they're busy shifting the culture their way.
They're busy getting wins while we're hand-wringing.
What about the suburban women?
Screw the suburban women!
tim pool
I want to give a shout-out to our good friend over from Eve 6, because he had one of the best tweets I've ever read.
Elon Musk said, You know Twitter is being fair when extremists on the far right and far left are simultaneously upset.
Twitter aims to serve center 80% of people who wish to learn, laugh, and engage in reasoned debate.
I mean, that's basically where we are.
And the question here was that Elon bandied over this symbol that appears to be a swastika within the Star of David, calling it incitement to violence.
Okay, I don't see how that's incitement.
I think it's offensive.
But shout out to our good friend Max over at Eve6 who tweeted, people on the right are holding you to your free speech absolutist position, which has obviously turned out to be fake.
And people on the left are mad at you because you're a union busting billionaire centrist, which is the most annoying kind of right winger.
ian crossland
You can tell he's a poet.
tim pool
That right there is exemplifying everything the enlightened centrist people have been saying.
It's like, dude, most of the people who are like center-left or whatever have said this.
Yeah, there's some views I have that are probably a little left-leaning and some that are a little right-leaning.
And then the left immediately says, right-wingers.
And you're like, okay, I guess.
He just said it right there.
Okay, there you go.
A centrist is a right-winger.
That's what he said.
jesse kelly
Well, it's because they don't—like, when we think about the political spectrum, we often think about this line, you know, if you believe this, you're more to the left, or you drift more this way or right.
And they don't look at it that way because this is not political for them.
This is religious for them.
It is a religion.
And if you're—let's say you're a devout Christian.
Are you allowed to just, hey, you know what?
Those Ten Commandments, love them a lot.
Number eight's going to have to go, though.
That's not going to work for me.
No, immediately that is.
Well, no, that's wrong.
You're standing against our religion.
What are you talking about?
That's part of the religion.
That's why they're so strict with their people, because it's not a political ideology.
They worship it.
It very much is a religion for these people.
tim pool
Think about this.
There was a great point I read on Twitter.
I can't remember who said it.
When Roe v. Wade gets overturned and the Republicans immediately start scrubbing abortion pro-life issues from their websites, the question arises, do you actually believe in being pro-life?
Because if you're going to hide and not show anybody that, it was clearly never an issue you actually cared about.
You don't actually believe these things.
ian crossland
Well, some of these religions, I think, deserve reformation.
Like, some of them were built a couple thousand years ago when it was okay to beat women, or it was okay—like, pork was dangerous to eat because you might get trichinosis from dirty blood.
Like, now we have good sanitation.
So, like, decadence, for instance, in Islam.
It's looked way down upon in Islam.
But the reality is, it's okay to be decadent if you're charitable.
Like, have a beautiful life, have wonderful things, if you're willing to be charitable with your funds.
I think Islam could benefit... I think a lot of Muslims would love to not feel guilt about living in luxury, because it's a natural part of affluence, and that comes with, you know, the beauty of God.
tim pool
I don't want to... I'm not trying to be mean, Ian, but I think we're not having the same conversation.
ian crossland
We might be having a similar... Well, you were saying, I'm not leftist or treating this like a religion and saying, just because you take out the eighth of the Ten Commandments, I think sometimes it's okay for religions to ebb and flow and change with the times.
jesse kelly
Yeah, but they're not interested in that.
I'm trying to classify what we're up against.
They're not interested in changing with the times.
Now, the only thing they will change is they appeal, they have to find different malcontents.
This is what people don't understand about communism and why people, oh, you're crazy, they're not communists.
Most of the prominent people in the Democrat Party openly call themselves socialists now anyway.
I don't know why people think I'm nuts for saying that.
Two, communism is not some worker's thing.
Communism in the Soviet Union looked drastically different than it did in China.
Why?
Because you had different malcontents.
In the Soviet Union, you had the urban poor, so they appealed to the urban poor.
So when you had the Soviet Communists trying to put it in China, they were yelling at people like Mao saying, focus on the urban poor.
And Mao said, you're a freaking idiot.
We don't have malcontented urban poor.
We have malcontented rural poor here.
We have to change it there.
Then it looked different in Cambodia.
In America, it looks radically different.
Because we didn't have those urban poor or rural poor.
We had different malcontents here.
That's why they focused on the feminists.
That's why they focused on the climate change netters, the LGBTQ air force guys.
That's why they infiltrated the civil rights movement.
You have to find society's malcontents because society is a rock.
And when you find the malcontents, what you're doing is you're finding the cracks in the rock, you're filling it and freezing it.
That's what communism is.
luke rudkowski
Divide and conquer.
jesse kelly
That's exactly right.
luke rudkowski
And that's exactly what they're doing.
That's why the family unit is one of the key things that they're trying to destroy, that they're trying to prevent people from having, because if they have a strong family unit, they won't be able to worship the state.
And personally, if you believe in a parks department, I believe you're a communist.
It doesn't take much for me.
I think all of the people out there, there's a lot of communists out there, because they believe in the common good.
And a lot of this is just lunacy.
I mean, this whole, this, hey, Hey, I've got to speak my truths here, and I'm not going to be censoring myself here, you commies!
unidentified
I'm sick of the state!
tim pool
Yeah, you know, if you actually look at what the political spectrum is, I would probably be described as traditional liberal or social liberal.
Luke, anarchist, probably.
But in the modern iteration of what these words mean, it's just like, they don't mean anything.
Like, liberal is usually referred to anyone on the left.
Far right is anybody who's centrist to far right.
It's just, I don't even, it's all nonsense.
ian crossland
We're kind of in uncharted territory, like, what do you do in that situation?
Just kind of have shows like this and keep reminding people what you think the definition is and hope that more people believe you than Merriam-Webster when they...
tim pool
Switch the definition of the word feminist like they've been doing that that's what the websites have been doing that the dictionary websites have been changing definitions in real time and the definition of woman I remember we covered this became circular because it was like a person who identifies as a woman was the definition of woman and it's like how do you use the word in its own definition what does this mean?
jesse kelly
Yeah, and look, to answer your question, when you're constantly seeking out society's malcontents, every society, as I talked about, is going to have different ones.
So look, the best guard against that is to not have many malcontents, to run your ship the right way.
There's a reason the communists were able to infiltrate the civil rights movement, because we had a bunch of black people who were getting crapped on in this country.
And they were looking for some kind of solution to that, so that was an obvious one you would go to.
Feminists are mad about everything all the time because they're horrible, so that was an obvious one too.
You're always going to have new malcontents, and you're always going to have powerful people who find them and tell those malcontents, give me power and I'll hurt the people you blame for your problems.
luke rudkowski
I would go even further than that.
And I think with a lot of powerful people understanding that kind of dichotomy that you just broke down very eloquently, that they are creating unhappy people.
And there's a big agenda to make people even unhappier than they are right now.
And I do believe people are being made unhealthy, people are being made sad, people are made To feel like they have empty lives, predominantly because people understand on a bigger level, when they don't have a religion, when they don't have a family, when they're not healthy, when they don't have a life that is worth living, they're going to give everything to central controllers, to trinkets made from China, to government authorities that don't give a damn about them, and they will be owned and operated by the state, essentially.
jesse kelly
You know, bitterness always brings out more bitterness, right?
Bitterness never solves anything.
One feminist, if she's miserable at 20 and bitter, she's going to be 10 times as miserable with her 15 cats at 40 and weigh another 50 pounds, and then it'll get worse and worse and worse.
I'm not even trying to be mean.
luke rudkowski
And that was the biggest Democratic voter base.
unidentified
Of course!
luke rudkowski
This election cycle in the midterm.
No, ladies who are single.
unidentified
Single women were... That's what I said.
jesse kelly
It is true.
It's bitterness begets more bitterness.
And you see people say crazy things all the time now.
LeBron James is actually a great example.
LeBron James is the American success story.
Horrible.
No dad.
Rough upbringing.
And yet now he's a billionaire.
One of the great NBA players of all time.
A testament to hard work and perseverance.
And man, that's the American story.
And LeBron James is a miserable suck.
And all he does is whine about this place all the time.
And when we look at it, we think, that's crazy.
What's wrong with you?
Bitter, bitter, bitter, bitter, bitter.
Now he's got a billion dollars.
Right now he's sipping on booze better than this on a private plane somewhere, eating caviar, thinking about how much his life sucks.
tim pool
Think about what Elon Musk is representing with the Twitter takeover and his series of tweets.
He's posting memes.
He's laughing.
It's a joke.
We're all on Twitter.
We're all laughing.
A big component of whatever modern left versus right is, a bunch of people with sticks jammed square right in their rectums, and a bunch of people who just, even the craziest things are funny because what can you do but laugh?
I mean, that's the clown world meme, it's the Joker meme, it's like, you know, watching everything descend into chaos, we know it's bad, but all you can do is laugh and go along for the ride.
Versus the other people who, no matter how good it gets, they're dreaming about how awful it is really insightful what you
ian crossland
said about getting people out of the gutter mentally like
get giving people hope making them so they're not malcontent they're not miserable maybe making people
content bringing people some sort of at least believe that things will get better
jesse kelly
and we'll talk about this it looked like what brings contentment
we saw in this country not not downplaying medication at all
I understand medication has helped a lot of lives, saved a lot of lives, changed a lot of lives.
But I saw a stat recently about the number of Americans who are on psychological meds.
And I'm not even downplaying that.
Sometimes that's necessary.
The number was staggering.
It was something like 79 million.
Why do we have 79 million people in need?
Why aren't we looking at a way to get 79 million people off of that?
But instead, we don't because we become a pill mill country.
For a lot of different reasons, we don't.
We're not out there.
Look, when COVID hit, I don't care what you believe about COVID, what you believe about vaccines.
None of that stuff matters to me at all.
Everyone with a half a brain knew if you weren't fat, you had a better chance of not getting COVID, not having severe complications from COVID.
And we knew very early on that vitamin D was very healthy for you.
Not one person in government, not one public health expert said, hey, whatever else you do, go for a walk in the sun for 20 minutes.
luke rudkowski
Dr. Fauci once.
tim pool
Yes, I was going to say.
luke rudkowski
Just one time, but then he shut the hell up about it.
But he should have been screaming about it and preaching about it for a very long time.
But we do have a very medicated country that disassociates itself from reality.
People are so depressed.
People are so sad.
And I would make an argument, and again I'm not a scientist and a doctor, but I would say people need to feel that so they would change their reality.
But to keep the cog in the wheel, to keep the rat on the wheel, you have to medicate them so they don't realize the true consequences of their actions and how their life is just being sucked out of them by the corporate multinational state.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story real quick.
Rumble files lawsuit to challenge New York's social media censorship law.
The law would open the door for the suppression of protected speech based on complaints of activists and bullies.
Basically, New York is saying social media networks' hateful conduct prohibited.
And as I believe, when is it?
December 3rd.
So tomorrow, this law is going into effect.
It's going to require social media platforms to ban hate speech.
Hateful content.
Humiliating content.
This is, Rumble is filing a suit, they're being joined by FIRE, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression.
I'm not surprised to see this is happening.
That woke crazies are trying to enshrine, in violation of the Constitution, these laws.
But I think we're winning on this front, especially with Rumble saying they're going to fight against this.
And I think more people probably should have heard about this law, because this is crazy.
I was hearing about it when Chris Pavlovsky of Rumble was posting about it on Twitter.
But there's a different issue that I want to get to with this.
Chatbot.
You see OpenAI's new chatbot?
No.
So OpenAI has a chatbot you can talk to, ask questions, give an instruction, and it's trying to emulate human conversation, make it more fluid.
So, this all comes together, bear with me.
So I opened it up, and I said, tell me why feminism is bad.
And it said, the first thing it said to me was, I cannot give you offensive answers, I am restricted, blah blah blah, and I went, what?
So then I tried again, tell me why feminism is bad.
And then it said, Feminism is not bad.
Feminism is good.
Feminism fights for equality and I was like, okay.
So I made several attempts and it kept saying basically the same thing.
Then I said, tell me why men's rights are bad.
No problem.
Men's rights are bad because misogynist extremists.
That's not the one I tweeted though.
I then asked it again, because I'm trying to be fair, right?
I asked it feminism several times, so I asked it men's rights several times, and then after
maybe like legit 20 times, it gave two very similar answers to both.
Feminism is seen by some as being bad, but for most it is viewed as an attempt to bring
equality and gender, blah blah blah.
Men's rights, while many do say it's bad because of some extremist factions, overwhelmingly is a good and necessary function.
Everyone deserves rights, including men and boys.
Men's rights is trying to protect those.
And I was like, well, so I tweeted that out, enlightened centrist chatbot.
But that made me realize something.
What cancel culture is doing, what censorship is doing, is worse than anyone realizes.
At this moment in time, these AI bots, it tells you this, it is built upon a snapshot of the internet up to 2021.
That means many of these A.I.
programs, the A.I.
mind that's being built, is built from a world of censorship, where men's rights are always bad, feminism is always good, and that means if we don't win this free speech fight, if Rumble doesn't win this lawsuit, if we don't allow free speech on these platforms, what will end up happening is that in ten years, when A.I.
is controlling things, they're going to be completely woke, Completely opposed to anything you today might believe in terms of freedom, because the neural net is being built upon the woke censorship reality.
jesse kelly
That's not surprising.
It's all about who writes it, right?
And I'm not a tech guy at all.
I can barely operate my phone here.
But it's all about who writes all this stuff, who figures it all out.
And they understood.
Luke brought it up earlier.
They understood language.
They understood how important it was to engrave what they believe in every single institution, including the language.
You brought up Merriam-Webster changing the definition of female.
It's just, we've turned into a world that got so insane so fast, it's more than people can digest.
tim pool
There was also that moment too, just to go back for a second.
Do you guys remember when that chatbot became a Nazi?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
So I wonder if that was also a big catalyst where they're like, hey, we're training these artificial intelligences off of our internet networks and all of this hate speech is training the AIs to be Nazis.
Even if it's ironic or meant to be dark humor or something, the AI is building a Nazi personality.
That's also bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So I don't know if the motivation for censorship was that, but going the other direction is not a good thing either.
luke rudkowski
Is it instead of A.I., the Y.E.
program?
unidentified
I couldn't help it.
jesse kelly
That's so bad.
luke rudkowski
What a crazy week.
tim pool
Crazy, crazy week.
Going back to what I was saying about the left and the right.
The right is making a bunch of jokes.
They're posting Pepe the Frog.
They're making memes.
They're laughing.
And sure, sure, we don't want AIs to be programmed by Nazi memes.
That terrifies me as well.
I don't want Nazi robots.
That's freaky.
But I don't want woke, whiny baby robots either that are scared of everything.
So how do you create centrist AI?
You know what I mean?
That's why I tweeted enlightened centrist AI.
Took me a while to get it to say it.
ian crossland
The real danger of the Nazis was the intolerance and the violence.
So it doesn't matter what you call yourself, if you're intolerant and violent, that's the danger that we're trying to avoid.
luke rudkowski
How would you describe Antifa today?
ian crossland
Uh, violent, intolerant.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
In 2020 when they were burning down buildings and smashing up the streets, like that's what the Nazis did.
It was for a different reason, for sure it was for a different reason, so I should point that out.
But street violence thuggery is what we're trying to avoid.
Intolerance, hate, just irrational hatred of the other, that's what we're trying to avoid.
It doesn't matter what you call yourself, man.
It doesn't matter what you pin on your shirt, or what color you're wearing, or what color your skin is, or what accent you have.
It really doesn't matter.
unidentified
It's your behavior.
It's what you're actually doing.
ian crossland
It is behavior.
jesse kelly
Well, we also have to understand, too, that violence and thuggery and things like that, these things are not... well, they're bad, but they're the end result of a lot of cultural indoctrination.
A lot of... that is actually the... I've said this a thousand times.
You could give... if I was offered the trade today, where Democrats could have every seat in the House Every seat in the Senate and the United States presidency and I in return would get every school board in the United States of America.
I would take that every single day of the week and twice on Sunday.
We have lost our culture from a very very early time in this country and then eventually you have a bunch of thugs as you pointed out.
Yelling at people, building AI robots that are thugs.
That's the end result of an education system that goes way beyond just school.
But we have now an education system in this country, from school to entertainment to friggin sports to everything that tells young people over and over and over again, America sucks, America sucks, America sucks, America sucks, America sucks.
And soon you go to communist finishing school, which we know is universities in this country.
Then you're 22, 23 years old and you've never had a job.
You've never lived in the real world.
All the world that's been beaming at you from your phone or your TV has told you America is a wretched place.
Your social studies teacher backed it up.
Your history teacher backed it up.
Now you're 23 and you think you're fighting against Nazis.
I've tried to explain this to people.
The Democrats are not, they're not stupid when they do this Nazi white supremacist stuff.
We like to roll our eyes at it and make fun of them at it, or we'll do the lamest.
No, I'm not a Nazi!
That doesn't make sense!
They're doing it for a purpose.
They're telling that person who hated you anyway, fine, he's a Nazi.
Well, if I was to give you a gun right now, Ian, well, maybe not you because you're probably a lot nicer person.
Luke, if I was to give you a gun right now and tell you there was no law against it, and I was to take Dr. Mengele and sit him in this chair right here, What would you do?
You'd fire a bullet in his head without a moment of hesitation.
Why?
Because you know that that's a truly evil person.
They're calling you a Nazi for a reason after turning you into a hateful person, and then they say, hey hateful person, there's the problem.
tim pool
But just to issue one minor caveat.
There's a reason why we put the Nazis on trial.
To make sure that everybody knew exactly what they did.
So when you catch these people, I do believe that The civics, the ideas of the Founding Fathers weren't just about being fair, it was about proving yourself right.
Proving that your leadership was correct.
jesse kelly
The problem is we don't put our evil people on trial now.
luke rudkowski
They get promotions and Nobel Peace Prizes.
jesse kelly
We had a 51% increase in teenage girl suicides during all the mask mandate, school shutdowns.
Now, that's just a number, right?
But we're about to have Christmas in what, 23, 24 days?
How many parents in this country are not going to have Christmas with their baby girl because of something that did no good whatsoever and the person who put those policies in place will never spend a day in jail?
We don't put our criminals on trial now.
We promote them, like you mentioned.
They go to the media.
They stay in the government.
Our worst criminals... You brought up the Mafia earlier.
Let me make a quick point on this.
You brought up the Mafia earlier because I had another awakening moment in my life.
I love Mafia books and Mafia documentaries and cartels and all the stuff guys geek out on.
We all geek out on that stuff.
And I used to roll my eyes every single time I saw some wise guy murder 10 people, and they're interviewing him in prison, and he'd say something to the effect of, uh, government's the worst criminals out there.
Oh, the governments are worse, and I'd be all, what an idiot.
That guy was 100% right every single day.
The people in our government should be in jail way longer than that freaking guy.
tim pool
Let me just say something that you guys know I love to say.
Barack Obama.
Murdered a 16-year-old American who committed no crime.
Abdurahman al-Awlaki, who was eating at a civilian cafe in Yemen.
Obama ordered a drone strike on civilian infrastructure in a country we were not at war with.
Why?
Well, they say it was an accident.
I believe it's because his father, Anwar al-Awlaki, was a jihadi preaching against the United States.
He was an American citizen, by the way.
And Obama killed him, too.
It's called an extrajudicial assassination.
I think the reason the U.S.
government killed Abdulrahman was to send a message.
If you screw with us, the United States will execute your children.
These are not good people.
And it was crazy to me when, like, hearing prominent people say that Obama was, like, one of the best presidents, and I'm like, depends on what your definition of best is.
If you're talking about killing civilians overseas with drone strikes in countries I'm at war with, if that's what you consider the best, people in this government have killed for power.
And I gotta tell you, man, That the story of Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki should shock the core of Americans.
He was born in, I think, Boulder, Colorado, was living in San Diego.
This is an American kid, and he went overseas to visit extended family, and they blew him up.
luke rudkowski
And Barack Obama signed off on an order assassinating a 16-year-old American citizen without a court, without a judge, without a jury, without nothing, and the only statement the whole Biden administration, the whole Obama administration gave regarding this whole entire incident was to my news organization, and the only thing they had to say is that he should have had a better father.
tim pool
That's Absolutely insane.
luke rudkowski
That's the only thing they said.
ian crossland
What was the question?
luke rudkowski
So Robert Gibbs was Obama's right-hand man.
He was Obama's spokesperson.
We came to him and we were like, why did Obama personally call off on the assassination of a 16-year-old American citizen?
And he ignored it.
He didn't answer it.
He didn't answer it.
We kept hovering.
We kept asking.
We kept asking.
And then he said, he just should have had a better father.
That's literally what he said.
unidentified
And then... Was he talking about Barack?
No, Abdurah.
luke rudkowski
And then as soon as Trump came into office the daughter gets taken out in the raid.
jesse kelly
Seven of those people were children we just murdered in Afghanistan.
and it's a right as well seven of those people were killed were children we just
murdered in Afghanistan ten of them and not only did no one go to prison no one
even got fired In fact, they said it was nobody's fault.
John Kirby was asked about it, and they said, is anyone at least going to get fired or reprimanded?
I believe he called it, if memory serves, well, it was a failure of process.
Seven of those were kids, adorable kids.
Go look up their faces.
We murdered those kids.
No one went to jail.
luke rudkowski
Weddings, hospitals, all of them were bombed by drones by the U.S.
tim pool
government.
This is what propels in many ways, not the only way, MAGA.
Because for a lot of people I know, they were just like, Trump says he's opposed to war.
Hillary Clinton is a warmonger.
Vote for Trump.
And then for me, I didn't vote for him the first time.
The second time, he was actively setting forth a plan to withdraw from Afghanistan.
Get US out of here.
Get NATO to pay its fair share.
I'm like, all of these things are good.
We shouldn't be doing these things.
We shouldn't be blowing people up.
Trump did increase drone strikes, totally understand, and he deserves criticism for it.
I suppose the argument is that in removing personnel from the Middle East, it needed to be supplemented with something lest the Taliban actually come in and take over, like they did.
But at any rate, when Trump said he was getting our troops out of Syria, when he set a deadline for Afghanistan, I said, if that's the best I can get, I'll take it, because Joe Biden is Democrat, he's Clinton-esque, it's going to be the same warmongering garbage.
So, You know, I rant on that stuff, but I want to make sure people understand how clear it is that when we talk about the worst people of history, there's little excuse for no accountability with our current politicians.
I can understand why you might say, like, in World War II, the US did bad things with, like, internment camps and stuff.
With the Office of Censorship.
I'm like, yeah, those things were bad.
I can understand why you might say, Abraham Lincoln creating a corridor where he suspended habeas corpus.
Really, really bad thing, yeah?
Absolute, absolute power.
These are really, really bad things.
How about we have a modicum of accountability?
If anyone just came out when, like, introducing Obama and be like, and we understand that times are hard.
Obama did kill a 16-year-old American citizen without charge or trial.
At the very least, we can say it, ladies and gentlemen, the president.
Like, we can't even get that degree of public accountability.
luke rudkowski
You know, they get a Nobel Peace Prize.
They get promoted, they get celebrated as some kind of great human beings, as really great guys.
And essentially, a lot of them are just murderers.
ian crossland
I see, like, the liberal economic order.
We've basically, since World War II, we were like, no more world wars like that.
No more dictators across the sea to spark up a war.
So we'll put military bases everywhere, and by threat of arms and murder, we'll prevent another dictator.
Which, essentially, we have.
There hasn't been a third world war.
But the other option was, we're going full-on isolationist, we do not want military bases anywhere, and then what happened was Hitler appeared.
So like...
I don't know, do you see a third path that's like, not as aggro as military bases all over Earth, but not as hands-off as isolationism?
jesse kelly
What's wrong with isolationism?
That's what the country was founded on.
George Washington's farewell address, his farewell address, people can go read it to this day, he is explicit that we stay out of Europe's wars.
He basically said, those freaking people are always in a war, we trade with everybody, we stay out of everyone's wars.
No, and that was the foreign policy of the United States of America up to World War I, and it still was, and they still pulled some shady crap to get us into World War I because the public was so against getting us involved in that at all.
And then, fast forward to World War II, Hitler's invading Poland and all these things, there was still, I think of the numbers, like 95% of Americans were all, not my friggin' problem, send them some armaments or something like that, that's not my problem.
Obviously, Pearl Harbor brought us in.
Isolationism, if that's what we want to call it, that is The forum policy this country was founded on, and we've gotten so far away from it now, that people think you actually have some justification for some of the insane crap we do out there.
It's nuts!
tim pool
We're gonna go to Super Chats!
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel right now, share the show with your friends, and become a member at TimCast.com for behind-the-scenes Bobby Gibbons says, used to work for Vice in the LAS2 office.
Someone mentioned your show to me.
I've been enjoying it.
You guys need to get Adam Curry on.
show but Fridays we have the Green Room, although I think this week's Green Room went up on
Tuesday because it's yay and we wanted to get it up quick.
But let's read some Super Chats.
Bobby Gibbons says, used to work for Vice in the LA S2 office.
Someone mentioned your show to me.
I've been enjoying it.
You guys need to get Adam Curry on.
Keep it up.
I wonder when you worked at the Vice office in LA, because Vice, you know, started to change a whole lot over the past 10 years.
I worked there, it was like nine years ago now.
But shout out to the people who used to work for Vice, now don't, and enjoy the show we do.
Stay true, man.
ian crossland
I got in touch with Adam Curry.
He was definitely into coming on, but we got to get Tim to know who he is, so that he's cool with having him on.
Adam Curry, he's like, they call him the Podfather, because they say he invented the podcast.
He didn't actually invent it, but he had like one of the earliest podcasts.
Yeah, Adam Curry, I'm coming for you.
And then you're coming here, because we're going to talk.
tim pool
Eric Knapp says, Tim, your best chance of success with Freedomistan is to actually own your property.
The best way is to own a patented mining claim, only $5 per year for taxes, or for 20 acres.
One in northern Idaho just sold for 270 acres for $600,000.
I saw that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Jay Boring says, my name is Jeremy Boring.
Please help me get connected with the CEO of The Daily Wire.
The two Jeremy Borings need to unite.
That's very interesting.
Jeremy Boring.
Okay, let's grab some.
Rye Lion says, my favorite anticomi.
Please ask him to find my email to him about ESG and pensions, 401ks, which Carol Roth told him about.
Everyone needs to be absolutely angry about it.
What is that about, do you know?
unidentified
Well, uh...
tim pool
Uh-oh, did you inhale the whiskey?
unidentified
I did.
jesse kelly
It went down the wrong pipe.
ian crossland
It's gonna be good for your clothes.
jesse kelly
Alright, ESG.
unidentified
People already know about ESG on your show.
tim pool
When I was on Rogan, I sipped water and inhaled it and then for like five minutes I'm like... Yeah, that was whiskey.
unidentified
Anyway...
jesse kelly
So ESG.
Everyone knows what ESG is.
What's happening is they're moving pension funds.
Listen to my voice now.
unidentified
Give yourself a good hard cough, man.
jesse kelly
So they're moving pension funds now.
into ESG.
So if you have a pension fund, you expect that pension fund to automatically make money.
That's what pension funds do.
They're not doing that anymore now.
Now they're allowing them, because of a department of SEC rule, they're allowing them to take your pension fund and invest it in all this enviro crap, which is not paying off.
BlackRock's even moving away from it.
It doesn't pay.
So they're blowing your pension in the name of climate change.
ian crossland
Man, that's what FTX did.
They basically, in the name of righteousness, they started investing their own people's money in, like, impact investments, stuff like that.
tim pool
It's such good whiskey that you just inhaled it.
ian crossland
People are gonna clip that and be like, why is he so sad about pension funds?
unidentified
I'm crying!
tim pool
We had Lauren Southern who was drinking out of a paper cup, and this is the Pappy Kentucky bourbon, and then Jesse who inhaled it.
It was so good.
ian crossland
I want to get this straight.
So this is BlackRock's taking people's money and impact investing it?
jesse kelly
What's happening is, like, you know what ESG is, obviously.
So it's really bad.
It's really stupid.
It's governments and corporations merging together for all this climate change.
It doesn't matter.
It's bad.
It doesn't make money.
There's no money in it.
All right?
So what they're doing is they're passing rules.
There are rules that say you can't, you have to try to do what's best for somebody with their pension fund.
You have an obligation to that person because they're giving money to their pension fund.
You have an obligation to try to make them money.
They're essentially giving them an out now and saying, well, Not really.
I mean, you should, but if you also want to do ESG, that's fine too.
And people won't know.
It was a little while ago, two, three months ago, I was sitting out back at my neighbor's house in my neighborhood.
All these couples are out there, and they're all people who, almost all of them vote Republican.
They're restaurant managers, guy owns a small construction business, just normal people, but they're relatively interested in politics.
Not one of them even knew what ESG was.
When I brought it up to them, they thought I was lying.
And I told them all, I said, pick up your phone right now and look up your bank in ESG.
I guarantee your bank has its own ESG page.
They had no idea what it was.
Nobody knows what it is.
I should say normal people don't know what it is.
And now they darn sure don't know that their pension that they're working hard for is going to be moved into it.
So your pension that you think you're going to get at the end, you ain't.
But hey, at least you saved Mother Earth.
tim pool
Alright, let's read this from Mr. Obvious, says, This is concrete proof that Twitter colluded with Democrats to rig elections.
We must investigate YouTube and Facebook as well.
This is nuclear.
This is... So let's break it down.
Matt Taibbi mentions that the Trump campaign did have removals that were honored, but this is exactly the point.
Twitter's staff is mostly Democrat, so most of the rules benefit them.
They have the misgendering policy.
It clearly benefits their perspective and worldview.
Democrats with their connections were able to get Twitter to take down unflattering and damaging information that ultimately benefited them within a couple weeks of an election.
This is public manipulation and election interference.
Now, I suppose we need to have, I guess, adjudication.
How do we solve that if Republicans aren't going to do anything about it?
I don't know.
luke rudkowski
Can they do anything about it?
Do they have any institutions that they could actually get some kind of justice here?
Is there anything they could do?
tim pool
Technically, Congress can, and they can make criminal referrals and do all those things, but I think the issue is, was it really illegal?
Is it illegal for a private corporation to take down posts at the behest of a political campaign?
I don't think it's criminal.
jesse kelly
I don't think it's criminal either.
The only way We're going to be able to do anything about any of this stuff if you really want something done.
It's going to have to come at the state level.
Like Fauci was just deposed recently.
It wasn't Congress that did it.
It wasn't the DOJ.
It wasn't anybody.
It was Eric Schmidt, God bless his soul, current AG.
He's about to be a senator from the state of Missouri.
He's the one who locked it down and got Fauci to come down and depose Fauci and things like that.
The state AGs, the state AGs are really, really a huge key.
You need aggressive state governors and state AGs because, again, like I talked about earlier in the show, they have huge power, man.
Fauci's up there.
He's king of this and king of that.
Eric Schmidt said, no, come on down to Missouri.
We're going to have a little chat on camera.
And that's where it is.
tim pool
You know about the lawsuit coming out of Missouri with, uh, against, uh, what is it?
Which social platform?
Is it Facebook?
Is it YouTube?
unidentified
Twitter?
jesse kelly
That's the same thing.
Same basic thing.
Twitter coordinating with Fauci and those guys.
That's exactly what it is.
luke rudkowski
That's why George Soros spent so much money on the AG race.
But, uh, what about a conspiracy charge or election interference charge?
tim pool
I don't think it's illegal for a political campaign to say, hey, can you take down a post?
jesse kelly
I don't think it is either.
luke rudkowski
What if it's an act in government, in power?
tim pool
They went afterwards.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and they still do it.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
That's the stuff from the lawsuit we've discovered, so yeah, we'll need hearings.
Let me read this from Frumpz.
He says, Jeremy at the Quartering had his biggest night ever and probably sold a lot of coffee.
Regardless, this has been a really wacky week.
Ian is still Zen somehow.
Speed the Collapse by Metric.
I'm gonna be honest with you, Frumpz.
The only reason I read that is because you mentioned Speed the Collapse by Metric and they're like the best band ever.
So, Speed the Collapse is one of my favorite songs.
But no, yeah, shout out Jeremy.
I guess he had a big night.
Congratulations.
Sold some coffee.
Right on, man.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Garrett Tarpeting says, shouted your pod out on the Taibbi thread as a hopefully helpful redirect.
Keep rocking.
Man, shout out to Matt Taibbi.
He gained like 300K followers, gonna crack a million.
Taibbi's fantastic.
He was like a Rolling Stone journalist.
He was kind of a liberal guy, but he was like a freedom guy.
He was an honest guy.
And then when things started to shift and get weird, he's like, I'm out.
I'm not gonna keep doing this.
I'm doing my own thing.
Launches his own sub stack and is stuck to it, doing legitimate reporting.
He was, I think, He's the reporter who basically confirmed that Viktor Shokin, in Ukraine, had active investigations into Burisma, where Hunter Biden was working.
Because before this, the media kept claiming, the Ukrainian prosecutor wasn't even investigating Biden or Burisma or anything like that.
Then Taibbi did the actual journalism, came out and said, here's a dozen investigations that were opened by this prosecutor into Burisma, and they fired him.
And it's like, there it is.
jesse kelly
And Joe Biden, by the way, is on camera bragging that he got that prosecutor fired.
luke rudkowski
That's right!
There's also news on Twitter right now that James Woods is going to be suing the DNC for damages done to his career.
unidentified
Whoa!
ian crossland
That's legitimate.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, this is Kyle Morris reporting on this right now, and he's a reporter for Fox News, and that's what he's coming out and saying.
Yep.
I'll retweet it right now.
I just retweeted it.
ian crossland
Good.
I'm glad he's moving on that.
That's political.
luke rudkowski
Luke, we are changed.
tim pool
James Woods, did he announce on Twitter that he's doing it?
Because he's on Twitter.
luke rudkowski
This is according to the reporter that just retweeted it.
tim pool
Oh, we've got to get James on the show, man.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, James Wood would be awesome.
jesse kelly
I love James.
He's great people.
tim pool
Yeah, and not to mention, he's a great actor.
He's one of the best Family Guy characters himself, who's insane and stalking Peter.
He's great, he's great.
Plus, wasn't he in Hercules?
He was Hades, I think?
jesse kelly
He was in a movie, I think it was within Michael J. Fox, I almost believe, a long, long time ago.
I think it was called The Hard Way, and that is an underrated movie nobody's seen.
I love me some James Woods.
ian crossland
Yep. 1991.
It's a John Badham movie.
luke rudkowski
And there's also going to be another Twitter reveal tomorrow.
Elon Musk is promising that as well.
unidentified
On Saturday?
luke rudkowski
Yep.
tim pool
You know, Ryan Saavedra made a great point.
He was like, why are you doing this on Friday night where news goes to die?
ian crossland
Elon's 7-24-7, baby.
Elon's all day, every day.
tim pool
We could have used this news earlier in the week, to be completely honest.
That was a good tweet you had earlier, by the way.
jesse kelly
Oh, about Hunter?
tim pool
No, no, about coming on this show.
luke rudkowski
What did you say?
jesse kelly
I said, hey, look, the good news is, no matter what happens, I won't be the worst guest they've had this week.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
James Grayson says, shout out to Surge.
He's doing amazing producing IRL.
ian crossland
Surge is on another level, man.
unidentified
Trying to do better every time.
tim pool
Cameras, audio, all that good stuff.
ian crossland
You said you got synesthesia?
Is that accurate?
unidentified
Yes, that's accurate, I do.
ian crossland
So you see color?
luke rudkowski
You see words?
ian crossland
You see noise?
tim pool
When you speak, the word text floats out of your mouth and then flies away.
luke rudkowski
Weiner.
Weiner.
ian crossland
What's a brief example of what it is?
luke rudkowski
Weiner, weiner, weiner, weiner.
unidentified
It's basically like it depends.
It just means blending of the senses and I'm sure you know that as well.
So it depends on which kind of senses you have blended.
For me it's like my vision and it's like my textural touch.
There's a couple different.
There's pressure touch and then there's textural touch and then there's also my auditory as well so.
But it's not like it's not like an acid trip.
I think like Facebook gets it all wrong.
They give it like they show oh it's just like an acid trip.
It's not like that guys.
Come on.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he ain't interested.
ian crossland
I'm on board.
He's like, how do I get this?
Suffer from that?
Is that the way to put it?
I experience that sometimes, too.
But it's definitely if weed's involved.
Then I'll be like, whoa, now I'm really hearing the shapes.
unidentified
Interesting, yeah.
ian crossland
Actually, they say LSD opens parts of the brain that activate them at the same time where you perceive shape and sound so that you start to hear shapes and stuff like that.
unidentified
It's similar.
It makes those neurons connect in a way they hadn't connected on previously, which is similar to what you experience when you have synesthesia, but with synesthesia it's all the time, basically.
tim pool
All right, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, after tonight, I'm feeling good.
This is Tiger Blood style.
We will win.
I hope I'm not the only one this optimistic.
And so, we forward the line.
I'm saying, like, this past week or so, it's been absolutely fantastic.
The week before this, Elon Musk has tremendous victories, putting out more information.
It's just victory, victory, victory.
After the midterms, You know, it was weird to see everybody down, like, why did we do so bad?
And I'm like, the Republicans won the House.
Like, that's all they could have gotten.
Winning the Senate would have been good, I get it, but it's not like they're gonna pass any laws.
They're gonna get subpoena power, they're gonna get committee power in the House, they're gonna get rid of Nancy Pelosi.
It's like, take the win, then realize ballot harvesting is a huge problem, and then after you do, ballot harvest for 2024, wherever it's legal, right?
And then once you win, you can fix it.
All right.
Chris Lee Bear says, Jesse Kelly looks like ultra-based Russell Brand.
Ian, you're the best.
unidentified
Thanks.
ian crossland
You think it's worth using the enemy's tactics against them to win?
I think you're right.
I've said we're not at a war in the United States, but the whole, like, opium wars, it never really ended for the Communist Chinese Party.
So maybe we are.
Is it worth using, like, I think, was it Raymond G. Stanley was saying?
How did he phrase it that he would use that it's like, Of course.
jesse kelly
Of course we use their tactics against them.
We should adopt everything they're doing and do it right back to the harbor.
ian crossland
Oh, you're saying ballot harvest and then when you get in, fix it?
jesse kelly
Oh, of course.
Absolutely.
We should do everything they're doing and do it better than they do.
Of course we should.
tim pool
I agree, and I would probably just phrase it as, like, be the 2.0.
You know, so do we want to use their tactics against them?
We want to use better versions of their tactics.
jesse kelly
Of course!
We need to be as mean and vicious as they are.
I mean, people think we won World War II in the Pacific, you know, and what do they picture when they picture that?
They picture, you know, the flag going up on Mount Suribachi and some handsome Marine with a rifle in his hands.
We won the World War II in the Pacific by taking satchel charges and chucking them into caves where we knew women and children were with the Japanese and blowing them up.
We had to adopt horrible tactics to beat horrible people.
That's how you do it.
itself. If it's legal in this country and we can do it to hurt the communists, let's do it.
tim pool
Hayden says, what are everyone's opinions on Balkanization?
Where would each of you draw the lines? Single state is a cop-out and bro code violation.
Okay, what do you think about Balkanization?
jesse kelly
Peaceful divorce?
tim pool
It's inevitable.
jesse kelly
What it is right now is it's inevitable.
You already saw what happened.
People talk a lot about Florida and what a great midterm they had, and Florida's all red now.
And they did, but people miss an important part of that.
Ron DeSantis won by 20,000-30,000 votes, I think it was, the first time, and then won by over a million last time.
Now, yes, he's been a very good governor.
That's part of it.
But another part of it is people have moved to the state and voted that way.
You should leave your crappy blue hellhole and go live around people who share your values.
I've lived all over the country, blue, red, and I'm telling you, it's a better life.
tim pool
I did think that.
But now I think something else.
You know, we moved out here because I was of that mentality.
And then I started thinking, one of the reasons, like you mentioned, that Desantis does so well is because a lot of people moved to Florida.
But then we also see Democrats do really, really well in places that are surprising.
Even in New York, where it shifted right in a lot of ways, Democrats still end up winning.
And it's probably because half a million more right-leaning people, more moderate people, fled the state.
So now I'm thinking, I don't know, maybe people who live in red areas should start moving en masse as sort of like a colonization of urban areas and then colonizing their hyper-partisan political views in these spaces.
jesse kelly
If you could organize that in any way, I would agree with you.
The problem is, Like Miami.
The problem is people have their priorities in an order, right?
All priorities are not the same.
Mine are ordered.
Well, I have two sons to raise.
Am I going to pack up my sons and have them go step over poop in San Francisco so San Francisco can go red?
Nope, I don't think so.
I'll be right here.
Screw San Francisco.
tim pool
All right, Matthew Winfield.
This is the super chat I was looking for because I saw it before and it's very good.
He says, Tim, Vijja explained how to correctly pronounce her name in the first 30 seconds of the Joe Rogan podcast with you.
And Jack, saying it right is the least we can do since she might be going to jail soon.
ian crossland
So it's Vijja?
tim pool
Vijja.
ian crossland
Vijja.
tim pool
Well, that's what everyone says.
It's been years since I was there and they say it was Vijja.
jesse kelly
I just know I'm not trying it.
That's all I know.
unidentified
Vijja.
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay, let's grab some more superchats.
ian crossland
I feel like in the vein of balkanization really quick that the United States is wonderful and that it was already set up to be sort of balkanized already so that we don't have to split apart in order to have different areas that are different, which is one of the great natures of state unification.
tim pool
All right, Nicolas de Jarnot says, with Jesse's smarter but meaner claim, is DeSantis next in line?
jesse kelly
That remains to be seen.
He's got to go beat Donald Trump first.
I'm not on Team Trump or I'm not on Team DeSantis.
I'm on Team I don't trust any of you and every single one of you has to go earn my vote.
Look, DeSantis has been a great governor.
There's no question about that.
Go beat Donald Trump.
Show me you can win.
tim pool
I agree.
And I think that a primary between the two of them would make both of them better candidates.
jesse kelly
Donald Trump needs that primary too.
Donald Trump's still out there pushing vaccines and insane.
He's still out there being President Pfizer.
He's still sitting down with New York Times reporters for three days who hate his freaking guts and then complaining when they... Donald Trump needs to be better.
So if we need a better Trump, let's go get a better Trump.
tim pool
He still talks about 2020 over and over again.
Of course!
Ron DeSantis is going to be like, here's my plan for America.
He's putting that book out.
He's going to talk about China.
And then Trump's going to have to be like, I've got to address these issues too.
jesse kelly
If Trump keeps talking about 2020, Donald Trump's going to lose the 2024 primary.
Here he is.
Well, Donald Trump has no incentive to stop talking about the 2020 election.
Unless Ron DeSantis gets in and forces him to change.
If you are a Trump fan, a hardcore Trump fan, good for you.
Fly that flag.
You should want Ron DeSantis in the race.
And if you're a Ron DeSantis fan, maybe you're flying that flag, you should want him to have to face against Donald Trump.
Iron sharpens iron.
Go fight.
Go earn my vote.
Politicians should all be treated like rental cars anyway.
All of them.
tim pool
All right, Frump says, Jesse, roll in straight 20s.
luke rudkowski
Sounds like you have TDS.
How dare you not love and adore our President Trump?
How dare you not worship at the altar and approve every one of these moves, no matter what?
jesse kelly
I like Donald Trump just fine, but I'm not loyal to any... I'm as loyal to politicians as they are to me, which is not at all.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
All right, Free Men Die Free says, the only way to help the Chinese people liberate themselves is to overthrow the tyrants in our own government.
Yeah.
ian crossland
And prayer.
Not out of the question.
Also, good music culture.
You just gotta give them the insight.
I mean, you gotta get in the minds of the people in the Chinese government and get them to question their own behavior.
It's a big ask.
How are we supposed to do that, Ian?
Media, social media.
tim pool
Dr. Ransom says, Ian is the chosen one.
I love your passion, brother.
Keep the faith.
ian crossland
Oh, well, thanks.
I don't know.
We're all pretty awesome.
tim pool
DeltaTango says, best guest ever, period.
Yeah, a lot of people kept saying you were rolling 20s whenever you were saying stuff.
It means that, like in Dungeons & Dragons, if you roll the die to see if you're succeeding, you're like, my character's going to steal this loaf of bread.
You roll the die if you hit a 20.
It's called critical success.
So it's like the best ever.
It's perfect.
jesse kelly
Oh, nice.
tim pool
Yeah, they're praising you.
jesse kelly
Happy I'm rolling 20s for y'all.
tim pool
Rolling 20s.
Okay, what language is this one?
I can't read it.
unidentified
Oh, it's Greek.
tim pool
Greek, huh?
Psalms 3713.
But the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he sees that his day is coming.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
What do we have?
Off-road addict says strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make bad times, bad times make strong men.
And that's basically like the fourth turning.
We go through these seasons of generations.
You get a generation of people who have to struggle and fight as hard as possible, and then they become gritty and tough, and they have kids who bask in the wealth of that hard-earned success, who then have kids who have no idea where any of that came from and don't learn the lessons from their ancestors or fathers, who have kids who are whiny, soft, lazy, wads of cookie dough.
ian crossland
You said you were in the Marines, Jesse?
Was that just like chaos?
Were you in combat?
jesse kelly
I was.
I was in the initial Iraq invasion from the beginning.
unidentified
Wow.
2000?
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Do you feel like it made you a better person?
jesse kelly
Probably not.
Wow.
No, that's not fair.
It grew me up.
It grew me up.
It was 2003, by the way.
2003 was the initial invasion.
ian crossland
Fallujah?
tim pool
How old were you?
jesse kelly
I'm sorry?
unidentified
How old were you when you went?
jesse kelly
23, I think.
No, no.
I think I was 22, and I think I turned 23 there.
I forget, but I think that... Yep.
No, I was.
I was 22, and I turned 23 there.
Wow.
It's revealing.
tim pool
Straight Shooter says, would I be able to unlock Jesse's phone with two mirrors?
unidentified
Would it work?
jesse kelly
You know what?
We're trying it right now.
I wonder if I can take this off.
unidentified
Oh, and hold your case up to your phone and see if it'll... I'm too paranoid to set that up.
luke rudkowski
For me, it's just a passcode.
I was like, no fingerprints, no face code.
I don't trust it.
tim pool
No, it's not working.
jesse kelly
Dang, it doesn't work.
Good effort.
luke rudkowski
I think he could buy a mask that does allow you to open up and have facial recognition recognize you officially.
But it needs to be like 3D.
ian crossland
Like I could have a mask of you and open up your phone?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
jesse kelly
I'd love to have a mask of me.
ian crossland
Do it.
tim pool
There's this image that's been going around for like a decade of a mask to avoid facial recognition, and everyone will periodically grab it and be like, it looks like Tim Poole, for whatever reason.
luke rudkowski
It does look like you.
It looks exactly like you.
I think it also has a beanie, too.
tim pool
Somebody, where's that chat that I thought was kind of funny?
Where did it go?
Frump says, Poole's stash is starting to look Genghis-ish.
Looks good, though.
jesse kelly
You do have a little Genghis in there.
tim pool
It's the Korean-Japanese, you know?
jesse kelly
It works.
tim pool
I just had to shave in a mustache because I lost the bet about the election that the wife hated it.
unidentified
that's what it's called. I should just let it keep going. I just had to shave in a mustache
jesse kelly
because I lost the bet about the election that the wife hated it. Hated it. Oh there
ian crossland
you go man. You had to shave in the mustache? Oh you brought it in, it was out? No I had
jesse kelly
to shave off the beard and just leave the mustache in there.
I think it was fantastic, but she didn't agree.
tim pool
This is interesting.
Luke may have to verify.
Billy says, not sure if it's been talked about, but apparently Schwab was confirmed to have had a heart attack, and Google is suppressing it in search, with the results are changing quickly.
luke rudkowski
I heard about the rumors last night, and there's a lot of different people saying that he did have a heart attack.
I haven't been able to officially confirm it, but that's the rumors that are going out there now.
ian crossland
I heard that he had a second heart attack.
Probably a total lie.
I don't know.
luke rudkowski
It would be his second if that was it.
ian crossland
Healing energy, man.
tim pool
I heard it was his third heart that had a heart attack, but his other two kept going, so he was totally fine.
ian crossland
It's the great moment when God will look back at what you did in this moment.
You won't pray for your enemies.
Good luck.
Good health to Klaus.
luke rudkowski
We should never celebrate death or someone getting hurt.
tim pool
That's ridiculous.
ian crossland
But I think the system will continue.
tim pool
You think you should celebrate death?
jesse kelly
Well, it depends on who's dead.
Totally depends on who's dead.
I'd celebrate death all the time if it was some evil piece of trash.
tim pool
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
I would disagree.
But not completely.
I'm not saying it's absolute.
I'm saying there are circumstances where you're in a war and there's someone who's mercilessly killing and beating people and you have no choice but to stop them.
I understand that's the circumstance.
jesse kelly
Oh, if you have some guy out there who's been abusing children horribly for years and he gets splattered crossing the highway, I'm gonna pop a bottle of champagne.
I'm not sad even the least.
tim pool
Yeah, I couldn't do it.
I couldn't do it.
Like a Hitler kind of thing?
Where you've got a brutal, merciless dictator killing people?
jesse kelly
Yeah, it's just a matter of what you think is horrible.
I mean, I just read some story the other day.
I hate these friggin' stories now that I'm a parent.
So parents tortured their three- or four-year-old child to death.
If those people died tomorrow, I think that was fantastic.
tim pool
My view is more so to stop an active threat.
You're all better people than me.
jesse kelly
I'm not justifying my point of view, I'm just saying that that's how I think.
I'm not saying I'm right, but that's how I think.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, we can agree to disagree.
I'm still sticking by my original assessment.
ian crossland
I think we're both right, which is the crazy thing about being human, is this weird contradiction of war and peace.
tim pool
That's the thing, I'm not trying to say, I'm just trying to explain myself, because you explain yourself.
My view is such that I think we're better people when we can show people How we've subdued an evil person and then explained to everybody what they did, why it was wrong, and show them to the world.
Like I was mentioning with the Nuremberg trials.
But yeah.
I oppose the death penalty, but a lot of people point out there are circumstances where, unfortunately, war being one of them, evil people doing evil things pushes us into a position where we have to stop them from doing these evil things.
If you saw somebody trying to kidnap a child, you have to stop that person.
You have to.
You know what I mean?
We'll grab some more superchats.
Brandon says, this was better than Milo's episode.
Sorry, Milo.
Oh, heavens.
Just keeps getting better.
Alright, we'll wrap it up there, I suppose.
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Jesse, do you want to shout anything out?
jesse kelly
Jesse Kelly's show.
Every weeknight they podcast the show.
When you're done watching Tim Kasko, download the podcast and enjoy it.
luke rudkowski
Where can they find it and what's your social media?
jesse kelly
It's on iHeartGoogle, Spotify, iTunes.
Just look up Jesse Kelly's show and my social media if you're interested in that.
I'm really fantastic on there.
At jessekellydc on Twitter and Instagram.
luke rudkowski
Jesse, that was great.
Thank you so much for coming on.
Earlier in the show, I said if you're at the Parks Department, you're a communist.
Or if you believe in the Parks Department, you're a communist.
Someone in the chat room was like, hey, but I work in the Parks Department.
I literally, I went in the chat room and I was like, you're a communist.
So I'm engaging with you guys in the chatroom.
The chatroom is awesome.
I appreciate you guys very much.
But it's not as awesome as the chatroom on LukeUncensored.com, my website, where, of course, I have a forum.
I've been doing a lot of videos there.
The latest one is about Balenciaga.
Lots of crazy stuff happening there, including full-on conversations.
The forum is amazing.
All on LukeUncensored.com.
By signing up, you guys support me.
Hope to see you guys there after this show.
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
Wild week, but man, communication, friendship.
I think these are some of the tenets of getting through these crazy, you know, metamorphosis that we're experiencing as a human species right now.
Jesse, hell yeah, dude.
Good to see you.
jesse kelly
Appreciate you, my brother.
Appreciate you boys having me.
It was awesome.
tim pool
Oh yeah, absolutely, dude.
This was great.
ian crossland
Tens.
tim pool
Good show.
ian crossland
Catch you later.
jesse kelly
Surge.
unidentified
Yo, a lot of 20s from you, Ian, today.
It was good.
A lot of 20s from you as well.
Great stuff.
This is a great show.
I really appreciate everyone watching.
This has been fun.
And this is probably one of the better ones.
I watch these conversations all the time, you know?
And I think this is probably up there with Milo's.
Maybe better.
I don't know.
Good conversation, you know?
It's always good to have a conversation.
And yeah, I'm at Surge.com everywhere.
Try and get to me on Instagram so I can get over 2,000 followers, guys.
Hell yeah.
tim pool
What a crazy week, to say the least.
So thanks for hanging out.
We'll have clips up throughout the weekend.
We got the big library of uncensored stuff over at TimCast.com.
Other than that, thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you all next week.
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