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Timcast IRL - Elon Musk Says Twitter HAS Interfered In Elections, EU Threatens To NUKE App w/ALX
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ian crossland
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tim pool
Elon Musk in a bold tweet says Twitter has interfered in elections.
And then everybody started freaking out.
Breaking news confirmed.
Even the TimCast newsroom published the story.
Twitter has interfered in elections.
Breaking.
Elon Musk confirms.
And I'm like, hold on, hold on.
Is he just talking about Hunter Biden?
Is this like, we all know that was interference?
Or is he talking about something deeper behind the scenes?
I think the answer is deeper behind the scenes, to be completely honest.
It may be the Hunter Biden stuff.
It may not be as profound as a lot of people think it is.
But considering that Elon Musk has vowed to release the Twitter files and has explained there has been serious suppression of speech, I'm willing to bet behind the scenes you've got people working at Twitter, in Slack and other chats, explicitly talking about individuals they want removed for political reasons.
But that's just my speculation.
So we will talk about that and what's going on with Elon.
The EU is threatening to pull Twitter because he's got to follow the hate speech rules.
In Germany, they actually raid people's houses and just did for posting naughty words on the internet.
That's just so creepy, man.
And then, I mean, it might be dystopian to think about, but in San Francisco, the city wanted to clarify, although they are allowing robots to use deadly force, they won't have guns.
They'll have explosives.
I'm not kidding.
I didn't believe the story when I thought someone made a fake headline as a gag.
It's real.
They're going to equip robots with explosives to kill people.
Wow!
I didn't have that on my 2022 bingo card, but I guess we're living in a simulation.
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I had a phone call with Google to talk about Section 230 reform that's coming.
And they canceled it today.
And we'll talk about that too.
They canceled it!
Oh no!
Maybe it was because I was ranting enraged.
That's a little bit of an exaggeration.
I was sternly talking to their rep about all of the things they're doing that they shouldn't
be allowed to do.
So we'll talk about 230.
Because it's remarkable how very few people actually understand the problems.
I've got some conservatives saying, like, Section 230 should be repealed, and I'm like, no, that's bad.
Then you've got others saying, Section 230 is perfect just the way it is, like, seriously?
Are you kidding?
No, it isn't.
And then, uh, we'll get into all that stuff.
My point is, if it were not for you as members, we probably wouldn't be here, because they've been actively suppressing us.
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We've been getting demonetized.
It got worse in the political season.
No surprise there.
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Joining us today to talk about all of this and more is ALX!
alex alx lorusso
Great to be here.
I'm ALX Online.
My full name is Alex Larusso.
So recently I was reinstated to Twitter, Elon Musk's Twitter, Twitter 2.0, so he's calling it.
And one of my first viral tweets back, I actually raised the question about the Hunter Biden laptop and how we should see all the internal discussions come out.
And less than an hour later, he replied to it and said, this is necessary to restore the public trust.
So to your point about election interference, I feel like that's what he's directly going to be talking about there.
But I can say that there are other things behind the scenes.
So that's in the past week been my life is being back to Twitter.
tim pool
So what do you do?
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, in my professional career, I am Benny Johnson's executive producer.
Well, thanks for coming, man.
tim pool
We also got Luke, of course.
luke rudkowski
Welcome back to the cesspool that is social media.
My name is Luke Godowsky here of WeAreChanged.org.
Today I'm wearing my Fauci, the Grinch Who Stole Normal Life shirt.
Great at holiday parties, which you could get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
And of course, with everything happening right now in China these days, we should remember that Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, Dr. Fauci are all literally on the side of China rooting for them and hoping that this happens to the rest of this world.
I think it needs to be pushed back, Don.
This is one way to do it.
thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
I think this Twitter stuff is big news.
I'm Ian Crossland, if you don't know already.
What's up, everybody?
Alex, good to meet you, man.
And I'm glad you're here.
We had Benny on about a month ago or something.
Great show.
I love the guys.
tim pool
Yeah, cool stuff.
ian crossland
Looking forward to getting deep.
serge du preez
And I am Serge.com.
What's up, guys?
luke rudkowski
High energy.
serge du preez
Yeah, high energy always.
tim pool
Alright, let's get into this story, ladies and gentlemen, from TimCast.com.
Breaking!
Twitter has interfered in elections, Elon Musk confirms.
Twitter 2.0 will be far more effective, transparent, and even-handed.
New Twitter owner Elon Musk confirmed in a tweet response the outlet has interfered in elections.
Now, let's slow down there a minute.
Just a moment ago in the intro to the show.
We said, is this Hunter Biden laptop stuff?
Because we know that happened and we all think that was election interference.
But Elon Musk may be talking about something deeper.
And I think that's probably true, even if it is just Hunter Biden laptop, you know, scuttlebutt.
I think when you have the CEO, the owner of Twitter, coming out and saying, this is how we interpret what was done here with the app he now controls, that still says something in and of itself.
But just a moment ago, ALX, you were mentioning that you think this is something more.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, I think this is mentioning back to when he teased the release of the Twitter files.
And yes, a lot of people did think that was referencing the Hunter Biden laptop, but I'm hearing from behind the scenes.
So I have here from Ali Alexander.
says that internally it's been described as years of confessions within the company's Slack channel, and employees are knowingly subverting the rules in terms of service, and that the sheer volume hasn't completely been compiled yet.
He initially wanted to release this all when he found it out.
tim pool
Elon?
alex alx lorusso
Yes.
tim pool
Sorry, let's slow down.
You're saying, behind the scenes, there's confessions People who work at Twitter admitting to intentionally interfering.
alex alx lorusso
Yes, and I think so my theory would be for suspending accounts, you'd probably have to give a justification for it.
So I'm not sure if they attach the slack chats to you say like their panel on there, but I would say that they would be A, giving a reason, or B, they just never thought this would happen.
They never thought that the company would be taken over, so they viewed that as a safe space for them to have these conversations.
tim pool
What's Ali Alexander's connection to what's going on on Twitter?
alex alx lorusso
He just has a bunch of tech connections, similar to mine as well.
I've conversed with people that are close to Elon as well, and we've been in kind of the same circles that way.
tim pool
Level of confidence on this information being correct?
alex alx lorusso
Pretty high.
tim pool
Pretty high, you think?
unidentified
99%.
tim pool
As a matter of opinion, based on what I know about Twitter and what we've seen over the past few years, I'd believe it outright.
But we'll see.
I'd love to see the documents come out.
luke rudkowski
I think we're gonna find out why.
I think it was, what was it, Venjaya that was crying?
Yeah, Venjaya got it.
Yeah, I think we're gonna find out why they were crying in just a little bit, because we have to understand, this interference didn't just happen in 2020.
This has been going on for a very long time.
In 2008, right before the midterm elections, a lot of people got their accounts taken down, like Laura Loomer.
So, we know that foreign governments also spied on people's private DMs.
We also know that a lot of private information was hacked.
So, this is what's public.
Now, what's happening behind the scenes?
What else are they doing?
How else are they finagling the algorithm?
What else are they doing when it comes to bots, when it comes to manipulating people's opinions, when it comes to people Going to the voting box?
Man, I think we're going to find out a lot of crazy stuff very soon.
ian crossland
Yeah, I spent about five years moderating as an administrator at Mines, and basically with this kind of power and control, and unless you've done this job, you don't really, I doubt you would understand the level of power you have as just a cheap employee.
You can push a button and turn someone's account off, and they have no recourse, and you know that.
And you can do, if you, Your emotions are telling you, maybe that violates the rules in this way, maybe.
You can turn it off.
Or you can upscale it to your supervisor, and if they agree with you, you can turn it off.
luke rudkowski
Or limit the ideas, and see which ideas, and promote certain ideas, and demote other ideas.
unidentified
100%.
ian crossland
And there's no recourse.
You'd never get punished for it.
It's the most empowering, intoxicatingly powerful—I don't think humans should have that level of authority at this stage.
I think we need a crowd-sourced judiciary system in social media.
luke rudkowski
That power is absolute.
When you can control what people think, what goes into people's minds, that is godlike power and authority that obviously people are going to be abusing for their own personal benefit, because how can you not when you have so many things at stake here, and when you have free speech standing in the way, destroying so many powerful PR campaigns that they've been trying to sell their American public on, and the public of the world?
So it's going to be interesting.
I mean, I think there's going to be some significant changes because of this, and I think it's going to shock a lot of people personally.
What about you guys?
ian crossland
There's definitely going to be changes.
It was so hard to be an administrator for a social network because you're constantly fighting with your own morals and trying to do what the terms say.
Maybe that's not an answer to your question of what's going to happen next.
I think what's going to happen next is he's going to expose everything.
The government's going to freak out.
They're going to try and shut down Twitter.
Twitter's going to turn into an algorithm instead of a website.
They're going to decentralize.
It'll become something that plugs into other websites to facilitate intercommunication across platforms.
tim pool
I don't know, like when has something like this happened before where it's a billionaire taking over a company in this way and then threatening to expose stuff like this?
alex alx lorusso
So I think what he's doing is smart, though, because if you notice in the past two weeks, all of these things, so he reinstates Donald Trump.
He says he wants to give mass empticity to all of these accounts.
And then also he's saying he's going to release the Hunter Biden files.
And in the same week, he's picking a fight with Apple.
Two days later, he's meeting with the head of Apple, and they're like, well, they had no plans to do that.
So that's him just showing his strong arm, basically saying, don't mess with me, because number one, all of this is coming out.
And number two, it's going to look really bad if you pull us off the App Store.
Do you know how bad that would look if Twitter got pulled off the App Store?
tim pool
Apple's stock would drop.
I don't know about, you know, double digits or anything like that, but they get hurt by it.
luke rudkowski
And then Elon would make his new phone, which would challenge Apple directly and their monopoly.
tim pool
I talked about this a couple days ago, the potential for low Earth orbit satellite communications.
The possibility with Starlink is that phones may actually be able to send texts and make calls over Starlink.
Not a lot of data, probably.
Probably very rudimentary.
But what we're already seeing with the new iPhone is that it's got two-way satellite tracking of some sort, or SOS.
I think it has like SOS or something?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So I remember 10 years ago, I had a friend who was going to do coverage in Syria, and we bought a two-way satellite texting device.
It could transmit, I think, up to like 120 characters, because the data was so limited and it took a long time to do.
And you'd carry it around, and you could send out a- use the app to send out a very simple message.
And you could use it to text to tweet, so it was like, wow.
Now the iPhone, the new one, comes with this, like, internally.
Imagine what would happen.
If you've got Elon Musk rolling out a new phone that has rudimentary communications, texting, now why would he want Twitter?
Well, with limited data transference, you'd still be able to tweet.
You'd be able to communicate globally over Low Earth Orbit Satellite with just a phone because you can transmit a few characters.
That makes me feel like Maybe an ex-phone or something isn't working, but think about what happens then.
There was this great thread that this dude put up on Twitter where he said, how do you think the intelligence agencies react to severing everyone from their grid?
They've got big facilities that wiretap the internet cables that go through the undersea cables.
Elon puts them all on his satellite network and now they've got to come to him and he controls the single access point to spying.
ian crossland
Well, that's dangerous.
We shouldn't have it.
No individual should control the access point to communication.
tim pool
But the intelligence agencies do.
Every undersea cable.
You think they're not tapping that data?
ian crossland
I think they are.
tim pool
They absolutely are.
ian crossland
Or they're trying to.
tim pool
And maybe, maybe we're all sitting here like, oh Elon's so great restoring free speech and what he's really doing is making an excuse to centralize communications so that there's a single point for everyone in the world to have all their data collected and tracked.
alex alx lorusso
He's also said that he wants to revolutionize the DM feature to make it more like Signal.
So it seems like he's already trying to replace text messaging there, and then he also says that he wants to make Twitter into the X app, or the Everything app, basically, similar to what they have in China with WeChat.
Like, everything that they have in their life is centralized in that one app.
ian crossland
We'd considered streaming on Twitter.
Do they have the technology right now to handle it?
tim pool
Yeah, they've had it for a while.
ian crossland
So if we were to get pulled down on this network, YouTube, that we would It's like striking up a... Twitter's now the HBO of television.
alex alx lorusso
Currently it's really weird.
So, like, they had Periscope, but then they kind of kicked that.
Same they did with Vine.
But they kept the, like, infrastructure, I guess.
So you can go live on it, but the features are very limited on it.
It's just a tweet with a live video.
You can't really do much with it.
But then they released that thing today where they said that they're going to have capabilities of, like, two hour uploads or something, like, as a hard upload.
tim pool
40 gigabytes.
luke rudkowski
40 gigabytes, two hours.
alex alx lorusso
That's massive.
luke rudkowski
Two hours.
That's great.
Only for Twitter Blue subscribers, though.
alex alx lorusso
Smart.
tim pool
Oh.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, smart.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
unidentified
Wow.
luke rudkowski
Not for everyone.
tim pool
You know, so my question is, I tweeted, you know, my pitch is on audio, video tab, rev share, and premium subscriber content abilities, which already exists with the super follower, the content subscribers.
So am I going to spend eight bucks a month to get access to this to upload my videos that Elon then has to pay me for?
Because that seems a little redundant, you know?
ian crossland
It's an interesting model, and Minds has that too.
You sign up for Minds Pro, and then once you do, you're able to move your Minds tokens off-chain onto your wallet.
So you can actually, if you want to make money off Minds, you got to pay to be able to make money off Minds, and that helps the program.
Are you saying you need Twitter Blue to upload and create two-hour videos, or to watch, or both?
luke rudkowski
To upload.
alex alx lorusso
I think so.
ian crossland
But anyone can watch.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm pretty sure anyone can watch.
alex alx lorusso
That would make sense.
ian crossland
Well, I'm open to trying new networks.
You know, we don't have to sit on one network forever.
tim pool
This is gonna be crazy.
Yeah.
I think people need... Luke, you brought this up.
He wants to make it like WeChat.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
luke rudkowski
I mean, we were talking about this for a very long time because he made similar announcements and speeches saying, Everyone depends on almost every aspect of their life in China based on this one particular app that they have to go through for everything.
Their jobs, their applications, their resumes, their food orders, their entertainment, all of that is controlled in one app that the Chinese government is watching and controlling, and of course dictating what people can and cannot say.
ian crossland
That's a bad thing.
tim pool
Right.
luke rudkowski
Well, it's centralization.
ian crossland
Okay, you're right.
tim pool
And think about that.
If this really does go in the direction of an X-phone, And then we're all getting these phones like, wow, they use Starlink so I can call and text and use Twitter and, you know, can't watch movies or anything.
Then that is a singular network taking all data.
If we get to that point where we're no longer using undersea cables, there's definite benefits to it.
But then They're gonna spy on everyone everywhere.
luke rudkowski
So what we were just talking about, someone just super chatted this and I double checked it, but T-Mobile is already working with Starlink and they're announcing that they're going to be connecting their phones to the T-Mobile network over Starlink starting next year.
tim pool
No way!
luke rudkowski
So this is techcrunch.com and the title of this article that I just found is T-Mobile phones will connect to Starlink for free starting next year.
ian crossland
They're gonna put crystals in their We got the story.
tim pool
Just real quick, hold that thought in.
T-Mobile phones will connect to Starlink for free starting next year.
This is from August.
You see, all we had to do was Google it.
We're behind the times on this one.
ian crossland
They're going to set up, what's going to happen is you're going to be able to call Mars when people start habitating Mars, and it'll take two hours to get your voice message over there.
And then they're going to realize sympathetic vibration, and they're going to put crystals in the satellites, and it'll create like an entanglement system, not quite entanglement, but where it creates sympathetic vibration between nodes, and you'll have instantaneous communication.
tim pool
Is Elon, does he have a bigger master plan behind all of this?
luke rudkowski
How much did he pay for buying X.com?
tim pool
He's had it since the 90s.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
alex alx lorusso
He had to buy it back, right?
luke rudkowski
He had to buy it back.
He spent like a record amount of money on that.
tim pool
I saw Elon... X.com!
ian crossland
I wonder if he played X.com.
tim pool
I saw him, he tweeted, cancel culture must be canceled or something like that, right?
And I'm like, he does say a whole lot of things that come off as like overly generic.
You know, he's pandering to the free speech crowd.
Look, man, he's getting a lot of people to cheer for what he's building, so keep an eye out, man.
ian crossland
I'm concerned he's in an echo chamber.
I've been thinking that lately.
Like, people will tweet at whatever he's going through, they'll tweet it at him, and he'll respond to that.
I get it.
That's what he's going through.
luke rudkowski
What if it's a PSYOP within a PSYOP, a false flag within a false flag, setting up the media to attack him so he looks favorable?
Because, you know, after the last two presidential elections, we learned when, you know, the corporate media attacks you, especially with the rise of Donald Trump, they kind of prop you up.
So what if this is all kind of planned and engineered?
This is where my conspiratorial mind is going to right now, that we'll end up with our brain chips on the X app, essentially having a life that's controlled with satellites watching our every single move as we are living under, you know, the Tesla production facility of robotic pods and bugs provided for us to eat.
Elon Musk is also, you know, he's also big on global warming, He's also big on world government as well, so those are things that I would just be extremely skeptical of.
And this is why, again, what Elon Musk is doing is commendable, but there's a small part of me that's skeptical.
ian crossland
It's the risk we take as humans and with our current structure.
We'll give one guy so much power to create an empire and then hope that he doesn't turn on us as humans.
And over time you see people turn on people, like they get bought out, they get bribed, or they die and someone else takes over the empire.
So, we're in a risky place with Elon with so much power.
Hopefully it will evolve into a system instead of a guy's toy.
alex alx lorusso
I think the good thing about having the richest guy in the world do this, though, is that he can't really be bought, because at this point, like, money is kind of meaningless.
And he even said that he doesn't want to buy Twitter to make money, because, well, number one, like, honestly, once you get to whatever billion he's at, like, what is another billion?
What is another three billion?
He's taking What's another couple billion to him?
on this, but he wants to turn the company profitable.
And actually like the terms for x.com were not disclosed, but he bought it back from PayPal in 2017.
But yeah, so what's another like couple billion to him?
So that's the only reason that I think he's doing it in good faith is like,
what does he need more money for, honestly?
tim pool
I also want to point out this TechCrunch article.
They say, at first, the service will only enable text messages and possibly messaging apps.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And Twitter.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Exactly, Twitter.
So people will be able to engage in the conversation from the middle of the Mojave Desert or who knows where else.
luke rudkowski
Burning Man.
tim pool
From Burning Man.
luke rudkowski
They'll be tweeting all the Burning Man photos and videos.
tim pool
Well, you can't do the photos.
ian crossland
Just texts.
luke rudkowski
Well, just, you know, highlighting.
tim pool
But you'll be able to send another information.
Ian Crossland's here.
luke rudkowski
Can't believe I found him at this dome with the crystals.
You can't believe where he put them.
tim pool
I wonder if the free speech stuff from Elon is just to rally people to support him.
He was talking about how a bunch of Democrats all came out at once and started attacking him.
And I'm willing to bet that he immediately was like, OK, I need some allies.
So, you know, I want to do my thing.
I want to build this stuff.
Okay, free speech, we want Twitter anyway, let's start unbanning people and make this the talk of the town.
I don't know though, you know, maybe it's out of the kindness of his heart, the good, the strong morals he has that he wants to stand by free speech.
And then you read these stories from back in August, you think about the stuff that he's intended to build.
People have already mentioned months ago, I think a year ago, that Twitter would be great for interplanetary communication because you put out a message and it's available to be seen by anyone, anywhere, as opposed to, I'm going to message you and then it's going to come to just you.
You can put out a message, it goes to the ether, everyone can see it when they're available to see it.
Or he's just having a good time?
luke rudkowski
And there's also, I mean, there's also a lot of data and a lot of information that you could get on the general public through Twitter.
You could see, I mean, there's a reason intelligence agencies launch campaigns for civil unrest in foreign countries on social media and use it as their main kind of rallying call and organizing call.
There's a reason Apple just got rid of Bluetooth connection and the ability to airdrop messages in China a few days ago, because they understand with the Chinese government controlling the cell phone connectivity there, with them controlling the internet there, the one thing that they don't control is Bluetooth to Bluetooth, peer-to-peer communication.
Apple got rid of that.
tim pool
They blocked Airdropping?
luke rudkowski
Yes, airdrop on behest of the Chinese government because this was the main tool that the Chinese protesters that were calling for more freedom were using in order to communicate with each other without being punished.
So now the Chinese police were literally going around from person to person checking their cell phones in the subway as they were walking down the street in order to stop them from sharing any kind of information.
tim pool
Let me show you guys this ridiculous video right here.
Nice.
Look at this strapping young lad from 10 years ago.
luke rudkowski
Is that Elliot Page right there?
tim pool
Is that sweat?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
That's me standing for some reason in a forest wearing a very tight shirt, I guess.
ian crossland
Looking good.
tim pool
And I was doing a report on this new patent that came out.
This is 10 years ago.
It was on the front page.
It was on like World Star Hip Hop.
serge du preez
YouTube's old.
tim pool
Basically, and I made this little animation breaking down how it works, and they were patenting this technology that they could go into their maps, isolate a certain area on the map, geofencing, and then if you entered that portion, your phone would be disabled.
And they were like, oh, think about it, you enter a movie theater, your camera doesn't work, and everyone was like, yeah, or you're at a protest and you can't film the cops anymore.
Or you're in China and you're communicating via Bluetooth and they turn it off.
That's crazy to hear that they're doing it.
And there was, there were like, a lot of people said, Tim, they never did this.
You're wrong.
It's like, okay, man, you know, it's, it's probably not the same exact thing, but it's creepy that it's, it's so similar.
ian crossland
I'm not a big fan of Apple as a company.
I never have been in the nineties.
I thought they were proprietary.
Couldn't game on their systems.
You had to get your own unique power supply, all these unique pieces and parts.
And then It was way overpriced.
Steve Jobs, brilliant, you know, brilliant, I don't know, prophet, you could call him, I guess.
He has great, and they have great design, but I do not like the way that they organize their company.
I don't like that they're siding with the Chinese government over the freedom.
People that are trying to protest being free and being locked in their homes, but Apple's going to side with the people locking them in their homes?
luke rudkowski
Meanwhile, they made a huge statement about George Floyd and all the freedoms that they're fighting for here in the United States.
Meanwhile, what are they doing in China with The protests essentially starting at the Foxconn factory facility where, you know, the Chinese people are forced to make iPhones, forced to make Apple products.
ian crossland
I believe some people, this is what really kicked off these Chinese protests, which we probably should talk even more about, is that people were locked in their homes for COVID and the building caught fire and like 20 people burned to death.
luke rudkowski
That's one story out of many horrific horror stories of insanity happening in that country.
tim pool
There's videos of them welding doors shut again and again.
luke rudkowski
There's videos of like them torturing and beating someone up at their own home with their children watching because they criticized the COVID lockdown policies online.
There's so much insanity.
There's so many Cruel, just absolutely insane videos.
They were walking around with sticks beating up and killing dogs because they thought that they were spreading diseases.
This is the policy that Klaus Schwab said is the example for the world to follow.
This is the policy that Bill Gates said this is what we need to implement here.
This is what Dr. Fauci knew was happening, saw the report, saw the investigations, and said we need to implement this here in the United States.
And they almost did, and we were very lucky that we have something called the First and Second Amendment, and I think that's the only thing that stood in the way of total tyranny taking over all of the United States, which I think we were very close to achieving.
ian crossland
You're talking about the zero COVID policy?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
Look at Europe.
I mean, they locked down.
They were much more harsh.
Australia?
Australia, absolutely.
luke rudkowski
New Zealand?
tim pool
I mean, you know what, man?
You know who I feel bad for is Claire Lehman.
You guys know Claire, right?
Yeah.
Poor lady.
Yeah, poor lady.
Quillette was this, you know, intellectual dark web, free speech.
And then Australia announces they're, you know, going to set up camps where they can take people against their will to detain them.
Because of COVID.
Call it whatever you want.
And people were trying to escape these places because people couldn't leave their cubicles.
And Claire Lehman of Quillette, this was like, you know, free speech, intellectual thought, all of a sudden is just like, this is okay.
Lockdowns are good.
And I imagine the reason is, she's in the system.
She is within the walls of the machine that is doing this to people.
And if she speaks up, she gets thrown in, huh?
Or she gets taken down, or they come after her, and she showed that she was terrified of the machine around her.
Either that, or she completely betrayed all of the principles she espoused before, but either way, she's fake.
luke rudkowski
And they were literally copying and pasting the same policies that they were testing and implementing in China.
In China, they're still building 90,000 quarantined facilities, sorry, 90,000 individual booths, pods, for people to live in in major cities all throughout China.
So again, these are camps that people are thrown in many times, not even for testing positive, many times for being around someone that was maybe sick, and other times for criticizing the government.
People just get thrown in these pods.
As we saw in Australia, people were thrown in there without any tests, without any close contacts.
They were just arguing with police officers.
The police officers had had enough saying, no, two-week quarantine, you're done.
Absolutely insane policies.
alex alx lorusso
That's what happens when you give people power, too.
It's like, if they can do that for COVID or for medical reasons, why can't they do that for disagreement?
And who's to say, like, for evidence?
Like, there is no evidence.
There is, you know, no one to prove that they do or do not have COVID for.
Um, so, yeah.
And in America, I think, it didn't get to that point, but like, obviously, like, vaccine cards, and then we didn't have, like, the vaccine mandate for planes necessarily, but like, Fauci went on TV saying, yeah, we're not ruling anything out.
tim pool
They tried.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, they did.
Yeah.
tim pool
And then I think they saw the American people resist, and it didn't work.
Because they had the, was it the Excelsior app in New York?
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
tim pool
QR codes?
American people were like, nope.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then you, look, we're, we have big open rural spaces.
So out here in West Virginia, there was basically nothing.
You know, you can call it whatever you want.
ian crossland
Is there some upgrade coming out this year?
license, driver's license.
Yeah, what's that? That's supposed to come out real ID.
alex alx lorusso
Real that's been out for a while there. I have Yeah, I have I have one.
ian crossland
Is there some upgrade states? Is there some upgrade coming out this year?
In the next six months or something?
unidentified
I don't know if as RFID or what, but I think I think passport cards do though,
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
Yeah, so I've got one of those.
When you apply for a passport, it's like, here's your passport card.
It's a North American ID.
And it's funny, because I tell people, did you know that there's a North American ID card?
And they're like, what?
You mean like an American?
Like, no, no, no.
Like, it's good for Canada, the US, and Mexico.
It's an ID card that works in all three places.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, it's a pass card, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
So instead of having a passport, you have your identification card.
But after the G20 this year, all the world leaders came together and saying that they need an international vaccine passport system that they're going to be implementing for the rest of the world.
ian crossland
Okay, are we clear now that COVID came and went and now there's like less dangerous variants out there that people are just living with?
luke rudkowski
I don't think much has changed, honestly.
It's just the propaganda, just the fear died down.
alex alx lorusso
It's just how we treat it and how we're talking about it.
luke rudkowski
Like, when it comes to doctors and nurses that I talked to, they're like, yeah, not much has changed except for the fear and propaganda.
So, except for the gaslighting, except for all the manipulation, all the just fear-mongering of people saying, you're gonna die, you're gonna kill grandma, that's over.
Otherwise, people are, you know, people are getting sick, just like they usually did, but now they're, you know, dropping dead suddenly, which, you know, Oh yeah, that Died Suddenly documentary.
ian crossland
People are like, there's evidence that people are having like, I don't know if it's myocarditis, they don't know what, but they're- They're calling them, they're calling them white, what did the guy call it?
tim pool
He called it a white fibrous clot.
Yeah.
And we don't know what they are, and my question is for that stuff, like, have they sent those things to a lab for sampling to see what they're made of?
Because what is that material?
Collagen or something?
I think probably most people watching this have seen that documentary.
I think it jumps the gun in a couple of ways, but either way it highlights something really weird going on.
ian crossland
Yeah, well you're not supposed to, from what I've learned growing up, you're not supposed to get vaccinated for a disease that you currently have.
It's only you get it beforehand so that it prevents you from getting it.
That's the idea.
Or it makes your immune system more robust if you do.
But if you have the disease and then you vaccinate, that's like overdoing it.
luke rudkowski
Dr. Fauci said many, many, many years ago, natural immunity is best.
tim pool
You know, but I'm pretty sure even the COVID policy is, and talk to your doctor about what's right for you, but I'm pretty sure you can't get it if you had COVID within a certain time period.
ian crossland
You're not supposed to get the vaccine.
luke rudkowski
The reasonable doctors are saying that, but the federal government is not.
ian crossland
I'm very concerned if people had COVID, large amounts, and it was messing up their clotting stuff, and then they get a vaccine on top of that, which might also be messing up the clotting.
tim pool
That's what I'm concerned about.
I have a question about this, though.
You know, I watched that documentary, and it was really well made.
I mean, like, the quality, like, the cinematic shots, like, from a cinematography perspective, wow.
And there's a lot of really interesting things that came up because of it.
And I tweeted that it was a conspiracy that all these embalmers and doctors got together and planned to discuss this on camera.
I'm kidding, right?
Certainly there is something they're experiencing, something that's happening.
And I've showed it to a bunch of my friends, as I'm sure many people did.
But the question I have is, One, we don't exactly know what's causing this or why.
We just know it's something new that embalmers are seeing and they're not, they don't know what it is.
And there are some doctors who are also like, they show clips of people getting, they're alive, there's living people getting these clots pulled out and they're calling them white fibrous clots.
My thought is this.
You look at what's going on in China, and they're welding people's doors shut.
They are absolutely terrified of COVID.
You look at what's going on with, this documentary died suddenly in these white fibrous clots.
The documentary paints the picture as though it's the vaccines.
I don't think we know that.
I think, obviously, people are saying, this large, wide-scale global thing happened, therefore, you know, we assume this is the case, and I'm also like, yeah, but COVID happened too.
So here's my thoughts, and again, I know a lot of people are gonna get mad, I'm just, let me opine, and I'll of course say, you know, I don't know, I'm not a scientist, I'm not a doctor, this is, this is, you get your medical advice from people that you trust who are real doctors, but if there's, if there's an ongoing theory that COVID came from a lab where they're doing experimentation, Isn't it possible that what we're seeing in terms of these blood clots are the result of some kind of weaponized virus, or the gain-of-function research created something so dangerous that China's reaction is to weld doors shut in fear of what the virus could be doing?
luke rudkowski
Well, if you see what the Chinese government was doing, it was never really about health.
A lot of this wasn't about health, since, of course, a lot of these health policies actually led to a degradation of people's health.
Not only mental health, cognitive speaking skills, especially when it came to small children, physical health, mental health, all of that went dramatically down.
And they knew it would because there were warnings.
There were people saying, hey, when you cause this much Uh, suffering for humanity.
There's going to be larger consequences, and there's even a lot of mainline professionals arguing that it was the lockdowns, the health restrictions that actually caused more pain, havoc, suffering and death than actually the sickness itself.
There's also a Dr Assim Malhorta.
Well Holtra, who was just on Tucker Carlson, he's a cardiologist from the United Kingdom.
He was actually in the advertisements in the United Kingdom telling people to take this particular product.
He had his father die.
He believes his father died from that particular product.
He's coming out and sharing a lot of very crazy data and information from his profession that is connecting some of these dots.
Again, I'm not a medical doctor.
I'm not here to give anyone any kind of medical advice, but Dr. Asim Malhotra is making some really interesting arguments right now.
tim pool
And I don't wanna rehash old conversations, so I wanna ask additionally another question.
Well, I guess it's always rehashing something.
So the thought, I suppose, is are they terrified of the virus?
That's why they're welding doors shut.
That's why they're maintaining zero COVID.
We know that COVID has, well, I should say it has been reported, COVID is more likely to impact Asians, because they have more ACE2 receptors.
So all of a sudden you have China just going nuts, My other question is, pick and choose your conspiracy, I guess, is this the Great Reset?
Is it that China has a massive 1.3 billion human population, and so according to those who are trying to curtail human growth and expansion and pollution, the reason China is in such heavy lockdown is not COVID, it is carbon.
luke rudkowski
To me, it's psychopathic totalitarian control.
Because if you look at the way that the Chinese government has been operating and who have they been working with, especially when it comes to a lot of the bigger elites, it's always been about beta testing the latest surveillance technology, whether it's the social credit score, whether it's punishing people for thinking the wrong thing, whether it's fining people and taking money out of their bank account for jaywalking.
The latest and worst 1984 vision you can imagine is being tested right now in China, and I think this goes along with these lockdowns which are continuing this larger progression that they've been making against free humanity.
tim pool
I definitely think, you know, we agree it's a dictatorship, it's insane.
I guess my question is the motivation behind it.
Is it just to experiment total control, or is there something motivating them behind it?
Like, Like, uh, carbon.
Get carbon emissions down.
There's too many people in this country.
They want to reduce population.
luke rudkowski
China doesn't give a damn about carbon.
China's releasing all the carbon in the world, possibly.
alex alx lorusso
They'll blame someone else.
luke rudkowski
China was being paid by the Western world to recycle.
They literally took all the plastic, dumped it in the ocean.
This is why there's mile-long islands of plastic right now in the ocean.
So you could feel better about yourself if you're in Canada than in the United States recycling literally.
It's just being dumped right into the Pacific Ocean.
China is launching a lot of coal factories.
China does not give a damn.
You don't see China setting up a lot of solar facilities.
You don't see them setting up wind facilities.
You don't see them setting up alternative green energies.
They're setting up coal mines for a reason, because they understand how the world works.
They're tightening their relations with Russia, which they're buying A lot of gas and oil from and then reselling it back to Europe, all in the name of green energy policies.
They're going into Afghanistan and mining all the minerals there, so there's no way that they care about carbon.
Carbon is just an excuse for more control of society, totalitarian, I would say even satanic lockdown and destruction of the free human spirit.
tim pool
But is that the motivation then?
They're just like, I want power.
alex alx lorusso
But for lockdowns in general, if you looked at the original lockdowns, they locked down almost right away.
So I'm thinking it was originally to, number one, cover up, because instead of asking for help, China's a very prideful country, they don't want to ask for help from other countries and say, we have this problem.
They thought they had it all under control, they could lock everyone down and cover it up.
So, I think maybe that was the initial motivation behind it, but then it grew into a more, hey, we can get away with this.
We have so much control over the people, because if you think about it from a medical standpoint, too, they probably didn't know what was being unleashed.
They just knew it was dangerous or whatever, and they were just—I think their initial motivation was to try and contain it and cover it up from the inside.
luke rudkowski
I disagree, because if that was true, they wouldn't allow international flights.
If you remember when, you know, COVID first hit, one, there was also intelligence agencies talking to each other and ramblings and documents coming out that there was something going on of September, the year beforehand, before everything broke out.
But when China knew something was going on, they closed domestic travel from Wuhan.
You couldn't go from Wuhan to Beijing.
You couldn't go anywhere domestically in China from Wuhan.
But you could to Italy.
You could to other parts of the world that were severely affected by this, that were depending also on slave labor.
Italy was depending on a lot of Wuhan workers that were coming in there to make made-in-Italy products for pennies on the dollar.
And when you implement a policy like that, you are either sociopathic and want this disease to spread all over the world, and you want to hurt the rest of the world, or you're just absolutely dumb.
I don't think they're dumb.
I think there's a reason that they have very high intelligence, and I think this is a part of a larger takeover, and I think a lot of this was deliberate from the very beginning.
ian crossland
I like the conspiracy theory that they're like, the people that made it in a lab are like, oh no, in two years is when the second iteration of the disease appears in people's bodies, and that's when they're really going to change, so they're freaked out now.
Change!
tim pool
Like turn into vampires?
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
When you start to see the big white things come out of their veins and they're like, no, lock them all up.
I don't think that happened, but it's a crazy theory.
tim pool
No, no.
I remember early on in the pandemic, there was fear about multiple stages because some, I don't, look, I'm not a virologist or microbiologist or any other kind of scientist or doctor.
So again, talk to your doctor.
But there was concern about it could come in multiple stages or go dormant.
So some viruses, you'll get sick, and then they go dormant, and then they can come back later.
So we didn't really know what we were seeing with this.
Maybe now people are getting weird stuff pulled out of their veins because of multistage or something?
I honestly don't know.
ian crossland
The real vibe I get is that the CCP is over the top.
I think totalitarian is the right word.
And they just want total control of their population.
And they want a population reduction because they have too many men.
luke rudkowski
China has a population crisis.
They're doing everything in their power to try to make sure that they have more people.
ian crossland
More women.
tim pool
Because of the one-child policy.
luke rudkowski
That was implemented by also the Rockefeller, you know, Turner, Ted Turner as well, and a lot of the American elites came there and said, you know, let's test out eugenics here.
Let's see what happens when we force people to have one child.
And the Chinese government said, okay, just tell us what to do.
And I think they're still taking orders just like they did before.
ian crossland
That's a real thing, the one-child policy.
I don't know if everyone knows about that.
What was it?
In the 80s is when this started?
luke rudkowski
I have to double-check just to make sure.
serge du preez
It was earlier than the 80s.
It was earlier than the 80s.
tim pool
That's crazy.
They were just like, you can have one kid.
ian crossland
And people would have like a female baby and they'd kill it because they weren't allowed to have more than one kid and they wanted a boy because the boy is the one who carries the legacy.
serge du preez
And they took it even further when they started saying if you want to leave China and go to Africa, which is happening right now, happening all the time, you can have more than one child if you go to Africa.
tim pool
Colonization.
serge du preez
Exactly.
Exactly.
No one talks about that.
tim pool
Yeah, China's colonizing like crazy.
And people think that colonization is like this nefarious plan among, you know, I should say woke people.
They're like, colonization, the white people came.
It's like, they came because it was getting crowded and they wanted to find a better life and they took the risk to do it.
People in China, it's getting crowded.
And so they're like, you know, I'm going to go move to another country and have a family there.
And that is colonization.
serge du preez
Yes.
tim pool
They're creating, you know, little Chinatowns, which have, actually, if you've ever been to New York, it's awesome.
There's really great restaurants.
But the end result is you start seeing a shift in the culture of where they end up going.
That's what colonization does.
I think what we need is Mars colonization.
Elon, how about it?
ian crossland
I'm so excited to colonize Mars.
Occupy Mars.
tim pool
Oh, you're wearing it!
ian crossland
There's this meteor stream that we go through every 12,000 years or so.
It's called the Taurid meteor stream.
It looks like it's coming from Taurus, the constellation, so we call it the Taurid meteor stream because of Taurus.
And those are the comets that hit Earth, the meteors that hit Earth 12,000 years ago that ended the Ice Age, melted the flood myth, wiped out Atlantis, wiped out culture.
Well, we're in that torrid meteor stream again.
12,000 years later, we're here again.
For the next 35 years, what we need to do is redirect those meteors into Mars.
We can do that.
We can nudge them.
Start peppering the surface of Mars with this heat and then start melting that ice.
alex alx lorusso
Didn't we do a test on that recently?
Like slightly changing the trajectory of like a meteor?
ian crossland
Yeah, it was called the DART, I think it was called the DART program, NASA.
And what they did, I think what they did was they hit it with an explosive and shattered it.
I could be wrong.
But yeah, they are avidly working on ways to move asteroids, meteors, and comets.
I don't know if shattering is the right move, because cometary fragments can still destroy us.
tim pool
I just want to say real quick before we go to the next segment.
Actually, I'm going to say this right now at the beginning of this segment.
It's from The Guardian.
EU raises prospect of big final ban if Twitter fails to follow new legislation because they don't have free speech in Europe.
But what I want to point out is, yo, our metrics are going really weird.
Like on YouTube, it's like spiking and dropping, like weird stuff's going on.
And I want to point out that I was supposed to have a phone call with Google and they cancelled it.
Had a call with them yesterday.
So, you know, I don't trust these big tech companies behind the scenes.
But that being said, I think Elon is doing a tremendous service to humanity.
Whatever his agenda may be, but of course, in Europe, they don't have free speech.
So what's happened now, There was this, uh, they posted a video, I think Elon was talking to these EU guys.
They say, Elon Musk was told he had huge work ahead to comply with EU's Digital Services Act, which requires tech firms to tackle problems including abusive posts and disinformation.
The EU's Commissioner for the Internal Market, Terry Breton, told the Tesla CEO that Twitter will have to significantly increase efforts to pass the grade, implying the platform was in danger of non-compliance with the Act.
I welcome Elon Musk's statement of intent to get Twitter 2.0 ready for the DSA, said Bretton.
I am pleased to hear that he has read it carefully and considers it as a sensible approach to implement on a worldwide basis.
But let's also be clear that there is still huge work ahead, as Twitter will have to implement transparent user policies, significantly reinforce content moderation, and protect freedom of speech, and with that, I got a question.
What can they do to stop him?
ian crossland
Threaten his market share.
tim pool
How do you ban Twitter?
luke rudkowski
Fine him.
tim pool
Fine him how?
This is the point I was making.
He's an American citizen.
I told this story about my friends when I was a kid.
I'm a bad influence.
When I was like, hey, you want to go skate?
I can't.
I'm grounded.
I'm like, OK, well, what does that mean?
It means I can't go outside.
OK, what happens if you go outside?
Well, I'll get grounded more.
And what does that mean?
It means I can't go outside longer.
But you went outside already.
Yeah, I know, but I'll get in trouble.
Bro, you can go outside.
I have very bad influence.
My point is, if Elon Musk is using Starlink for communications, if he makes his own phone, maybe, he said he might if he has to.
You can't ban apps in countries.
In China and Iran they have Twitter, even though it's banned.
They'll find a way.
alex alx lorusso
I was going to say, he's going to make them be the bad guy.
He's going to be making them be the new China.
That's right.
The EU is going to be looked at as like a China type.
And I've pointed this out on Twitter the past couple days.
Everyone is freaking out, Apple is freaking out, and these countries are freaking out now about free speech and stuff.
So, why are they not freaking out a couple years ago when Twitter was being sued for two different cases, and I'm sure there's more, of child exploitation content on the platform.
Those individual users were complaining to Twitter saying, this is me in the videos, I am underage, please take this down.
Twitter refused to take that content down.
luke rudkowski
We were talking about this a few days ago, exactly what you just mentioned.
tim pool
And where's the EU to go to Twitter a year ago and be like, hey, hey, these things are in violation of our laws.
luke rudkowski
But now they're mad.
This is the statement that the EU released today, that they're mad that he's going to be arbitrarily reinstating banned users and that he's not pursuing disinformation aggressively enough and that they want a full, quote, extensive audit of the platform.
So they are they are mad that people are going to have the ability to have free speech.
They are mad that users are going to be brought back and that their lives of the state are going to be officially challenged.
This is all about power at the end of the day.
The European Union knows the government bureaucrats knows.
These criminals in charge know that they could only be in power if they could keep conning and lying to everyone.
Once you have free speech, that power goes away.
Once you have free speech, that is all threatened.
All of that could go away, and this is why we're seeing such very harsh actions by the European Union that did levy very big fines against previous US big tech companies like Facebook.
If you remember, it wasn't so long ago, Facebook had to pay up a lot of money as well.
tim pool
To the EU?
ian crossland
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
So, again, Google lost an appeal for $4 billion in EU fines.
tim pool
I was taking a dump the other day and Facebook wouldn't stop calling me.
True story.
I'm not even kidding.
And it was really annoying, too, because I posted how Google was calling me.
to talk about Section 230, and then a bunch of people were like, this never happened, and I'm like, I'll post a screenshot of the email they sent me.
And I got, like, the World Series of Poker.
I love playing World Series of Poker.
And I'm trying to play this game, and then I get a call from Facebook, and I'm like, what do you mean I closed?
I don't want to talk to you.
They called me three times in, like, five minutes.
Super creepy.
And they were like, we want to talk to you about, you know, your marketing stuff and what you're working on.
It was, like, the most unhinged, desperate thing that's ever happened to me.
alex alx lorusso
Super weird.
tim pool
they they they it was like a pitch to like by ads on facebook
because we have an account and that they called me three times in a row and it
it was like that trope of the voicemail where it's like
almost just missed you i'm gonna give you a call back and and maybe i'll get you
again i'm not get i'm like what are they doing
It's super crazy.
If you're not home, well, I'll just try again.
More and more agitated.
alex alx lorusso
They're seeing the writing on the wall, too, because they're like, if this can happen to a company like Twitter or whatever, what's to stop it from happening to a cratering company like Facebook?
Mark Zuckerberg has lost over half of his net worth.
His company is cratering.
They're making cuts, everything.
tim pool
That's why I'm thinking they called me like crazy.
I'm willing to bet that they've got, you know, for their sales team, it's like, guys, we gotta ramp this up.
They laid off, what, like 11,000 people?
The stock price tanked, I guess because of Meta or whatever the plan is.
alex alx lorusso
That's the other thing, too.
They're demonizing Elon Musk for making these cuts and then ignoring Facebook is making cuts, Amazon is making cuts.
All of these things, they're like, oh, he took over the platform and he's turning into some crazy thing.
I'm like, okay, it's happening all over the tech industry if you're paying attention.
But the thing is, too, about these policies, so they stopped enforcing the COVID-19 misinformation policy last week.
Um, and then, so, my thing is, they're more likely to be compliant with all of these legal stuff if they're not wasting their resources policing opinions or policing COVID misinformation.
Do you know how much manpower that would take?
And they have the whole report of how many suspended accounts, how many millions of posts that were actioned of COVID posts or whatever.
And I know AI helps a lot with that type of stuff, but still.
The resources that are wasted on opinion and political speech and silencing dissent rather than actually going after child exploitation or actual legal content on the platform.
Do you know how much energy could be redirected towards actual crimes on the platform?
It's mind-boggling.
ian crossland
And you mean like illegal in the United States?
alex alx lorusso
Well, I mean, it would depend on the law, I believe, for each country, because I think that's what Elon said.
And then I know I'm always confused by this.
I see always like, oh, someone reported this tweet.
It's not in violation of German law or something.
tim pool
Yeah, I see that a lot.
alex alx lorusso
I always see that.
I'm like, I don't even know what that means.
tim pool
No, but it's a good thing.
Right, so I've gotten these emails from Twitter where it's like, you've been reported in Pakistan or something.
And I can't remember who, but someone, a conservative said, why is this being shown to me?
Why is Twitter concerned about this?
And I'm like, no, that's good.
Because then if you go there, you could be arrested.
And I'm not kidding.
So Twitter warning you that you've posted something that they consider illegal is like, hey, now you can't go there anymore.
It's a good thing they notified you.
The German law thing is because Germany has a law that they have to inform people.
So even if you're outside the country, they have to inform you.
So the EU is all sorts of insane.
There was this video of this woman.
She was from the Philippines.
I think she was a journalist.
I don't know if you saw it, where she's talking with Colbert or something like that.
And she's like, they're using free speech to stifle free speech.
Like it's just the craziest thing.
But you can really see what their real agenda is.
They want to be the controllers of all information and have no one else be able to speak out of turn of the narrative.
But the narrative machine is crumbling and this is why they were crying when Elon was taken over.
Already the messages we saw, what was it, Vijaya?
She was like, hey, we're going to work with the government or something like that.
We're going to work with you and get this stuff sorted.
alex alx lorusso
She's tied up in that whole lawsuit about collusion with the Biden administration.
So that's all going to come out too, I think.
But it seems like she has her hands in a lot of things because she's also with the Hunter Biden laptop and she was also the person who banned Trump.
tim pool
Evil people, man.
It's crazy.
I hate to say it, but man, there's no accountability.
You take a look.
I mean, I think everybody listening knows.
You take a look at what happened with Trump and the fake impeachment stuff.
You take a look at what Joe Biden did.
They impeached Trump for what Joe Biden did.
It's the craziest thing.
You take a look at what the people at Twitter were doing and you're like, just where is a single moment of accountability?
Ghislaine Maxwell.
Okay, fine.
They locked her up, but she was trafficking to no one.
No accountability.
ian crossland
Sam Bankman Freed.
Guy just... Oh, man!
He swindled $4 billion out of his investors, or some amount of billions of dollars, and now he... But don't worry, sorry.
luke rudkowski
He's speaking at the New York Times right now.
tim pool
Is he really at the New York Times right now in New York?
luke rudkowski
I think he's doing a video call.
ian crossland
If he steps into U.S.
soil, I imagine he's not going to leave.
I doubt it.
tim pool
He made enough donations to Democrats to live the rest of his life in comfort.
luke rudkowski
That's a lot of protection money.
ian crossland
So he was the CEO of FTX, which was like this internet, what would you call it, like an exchange for crypto.
And then they were taking people's money and giving them a loan, and they were holding their money as collateral.
And then he was like, Yeah, he's so delusional.
Investing their money in like political campaigns.
I mean, it's the most hideous misuse of people's investment funds like Bernie Madoff stuff.
serge du preez
Yeah.
I don't know if you saw there's just the guy that asked him where'd all my $2 million in
savings go and he's like, oh, well, I'm sorry about that.
alex alx lorusso
Didn't.
Yeah.
He's so delusional.
ian crossland
He's so disconnected from reality.
He was having sex with like nine women in his drug field.
luke rudkowski
Just like all the elites.
That's all they do.
ian crossland
And they were taking all these different.
He would entice his employees to take different kinds of drugs to see which one they like
the best and help them work the best.
His girlfriend's running Alameda Research, which is a sister corporation that's funneling FTX funds and then investing it undercover.
What's her name?
Caroline?
You guys got her last name?
tim pool
I don't know, man.
ian crossland
It's important that these people stay in the media, I think.
luke rudkowski
She's a weird-looking chick.
unidentified
Yeah, I was gonna say, she's the weird-looking one with the glasses on.
ian crossland
It is crazy what people do with power.
tim pool
It's a crazy thing.
This guy, for whatever reason, comes into AXS and he's like, hmm, drugs and orgies?
Like, I'm not surprised, you know what I mean?
It reminds me of that experiment where they gave the rat the electrode on its brain to trigger dopamine.
It's almost like there's aliens and they're like, let's give this random guy a bunch of money, see what he does.
And he's just pressing the button on his brain like, this feels good.
luke rudkowski
And the corporate media is like, look how humble he is.
Look how nice and down to earth he is.
alex alx lorusso
Which show was it where you look back, it's like an old clip, and he's like physically shaking it.
And I'm like, did nobody question that at the time?
Chuck Todd.
luke rudkowski
A ton of drugs.
Absolutely druggy.
ian crossland
He is shaking in that interview.
alex alx lorusso
At the time, nobody noticed that.
luke rudkowski
He's a literal tweaker.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
My goodness.
And then you trust this man because Jim Cramer called him the next JPMorgan and Chase.
I mean, come on, guys.
alex alx lorusso
I like the account Unusual Whales.
They screenshot all of Jim Cramer's takes and then they just age so poorly.
He's blocked them by now, but they age so poorly that it's just so funny.
tim pool
Well, what's that other Twitter account, like Reverse Kramer or something like that?
It's like, whatever he says, do the opposite.
And then whenever someone does something that he said to do, they're like, oh, they didn't Reverse Kramer, and now they lost all their money.
ian crossland
I look at Sam's name, it's Bank Man Fried.
Like, okay, is that an electric chair joke?
Like, what is this simulation that we're in?
His name is Bank Man?
luke rudkowski
Well, his family's all connected to the Democratic Party and Super PACs that have been funneling a crap ton of big money into the Democratic establishment.
ian crossland
You know, I'm all about compassion and forgiveness, but at some point when someone swindles people out of four billion or whatever, how many billions and millions and thousands of dollars all these people lost to this one drug addict, you know, horny 28 year old nerd.
tim pool
Check this out, let's pull up the story.
This is from Cointelegraph.
Fear of angry people drove Bankman Freed to open withdrawals for Bahamians.
The former FTX CEO has explained why the exchange only reopened withdrawals for Bahamian citizens shortly before filing bankruptcy.
Basically said, quote, the reason I did it was critical to the exchange being able to have a future because that's where I am right now.
And you do not want to be in a country with a lot of angry people in it, and you do not want your company to be incorporated in a country with a lot of angry people in it.
This is crazy.
This guy's got to be a patsy.
He's so out of his depth here.
ian crossland
There are people that think that it was a front machine to funnel money into Ukraine.
luke rudkowski
What better way than to have a tweaker that's like in his 20s.
You know, it's like, hey, let's put him in front of everything.
Let's make him the fall guy here.
And I think there's also a lot of mystery about where a lot of his money came from, because the company just kind of came out of nowhere.
And then he got promoted by everyone, especially in the corporate media.
A lot of people are speculating that, and this is what I speculated, I think, like two weeks ago on my own members area, Specifically that the intelligence agencies took money, probably maybe even from the whole Epstein saga and just funneled it into this larger psyop, which some people are saying could be a false flag in order to bring in more regulations and control of cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin.
ian crossland
So, if people were investing money in FTX, FTX was giving it to Alameda, Alameda was donating it, that's a way for someone to technically donate the money, but funneling it through an exchange and then pretending like they lost it.
luke rudkowski
In partnership with the Ukrainian bank.
tim pool
So, what FTX was.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
And the World Economic Forum.
tim pool
Here's what we don't know.
So, the gist of the story is, FTX takes in a bunch of money, loans it to Alameda, Alameda makes investments with it.
Who did they invest with?
The chain of currency doesn't stop right there.
So I have to wonder if whatever was really going on, there's a third party out there that got away with everything.
Put it this way.
A billion dollars goes into FTX.
Let me stop.
Let's separate them for legal purposes.
A billion dollars goes to company X.
Company X loans $500 million to Company Y. Company Y then invests $10 million in 50 companies.
One of those companies is her good friend who says, don't worry, when it all blows over, I got your back.
And now, that company says, oh, we just invested in this technology, we have nothing to do with anything, and their investment's written down to zero, sorry, oh geez, it's gone.
And no one's asking questions about where the money actually went beyond that.
It's like Alameda?
Okay, where else did it go?
ian crossland
Well, a lot of it got hacked and went off the network.
So they think it was an insider, but the day the news broke, all of a sudden there's a hack in the network, all the money goes to Xero and all these people's accounts, and $300 million or $400 million just leaves the network, no one knows where, according to the news.
alex alx lorusso
I like it says in the article, it's like, he was hot on the hacker's trail.
Yeah, just before it happened.
I don't know exactly who it was, because they shut off all access to systems when I was halfway through exploring it.
I've narrowed it down to eight people.
I don't know which one it was, but I have a pretty decent sense, he says.
ian crossland
Sounds like an insider, like if someone has access to the security systems of the network, and then now Sam is saying that he has $100,000 left in his bank account, which to me indicates he's got money that's not in his bank account, otherwise he would have said to his name.
tim pool
Yeah, he put it like it's in a shoebox under his mattress.
ian crossland
He's got crypto wallets with I mean, I don't want to start making claims about this stuff.
luke rudkowski
They spent hundreds of millions of dollars on real estate.
So they have a lot of money and assets as well.
tim pool
It sounds like Jurassic Park, you know?
The dude gets mad and then takes the eggs, but then the whole park collapses.
It's like, oh no.
ian crossland
Instead of dinos, it's a bunch of tweaking 26-year-old crypto nerds.
luke rudkowski
That are just doing unspeakable things to each other.
ian crossland
Eating birds and who knows.
tim pool
Is that what they were doing?
ian crossland
Well, that's what dinosaurs do.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I think dinosaurs were birds.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
They had feathers.
luke rudkowski
They were vegan.
That's the worst news of them all.
unidentified
What?
luke rudkowski
Sam Bankman Freed was vegan.
That explains it.
tim pool
I thought you meant dinosaurs.
I was like, wait a minute.
luke rudkowski
No, Sam Bankman Freed.
tim pool
You got a problem with vegans?
luke rudkowski
No, don't get me started.
ian crossland
Bee deficiency?
serge du preez
One of the things was like the drugs he was taking, like that MSAM drug apparently is like, if you're eating a lot of like meat, it has like interactions that could cause you to die.
And seriously, that's That's why he's here.
I watched a guy, like, more plates for more dates, did a whole breakdown on the drugs he was taking.
ian crossland
What's it called?
MSAM?
serge du preez
Uh, MSAM, yeah.
luke rudkowski
How many drugs was he on?
serge du preez
I don't know the actual number, you know, but...
luke rudkowski
But what did the video say?
What else was in that video?
Was there SSRIs?
Was there psychotics?
Was there uppers, downers?
What are we talking about here?
serge du preez
It was mainly uppers and things like that.
The drug he was referring to is called MSAM, and it's a drug that basically tricks your dopamine system to enjoy doing boring tasks.
It makes you like it or enjoy it.
luke rudkowski
So like weaponized Adderall?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, I guess you could say something like that I don't make sense his uh his girlfriend Caroline Ellison who was the CEO of Alameda was saying that she has Less I believe I've heard this this is all secondhand or third hand or whatever But that she has no respect for people that won't take drugs when they work because they just aren't I saw that shit something about amphetamines Yeah, like people don't see the world the same way or something like that crazy.
alex alx lorusso
Just what a drug addled way to talk It makes you appreciate how dumb a lot of normal non-medicated people are.
luke rudkowski
And if you find out how many people are medicated, how many people are just popping Adderall, you'd be shocked.
I mean, it's all around us.
I won't say who, but there are some guests here that were just on it.
Look at Jordan Peterson.
He was on a whole bunch of drugs, recommending a whole bunch of drugs, and then we saw how that kind of story played out for everyone.
And I think he's not the same person.
I think he's a different person.
I think he's been damaged by Big Pharma, something that he's been recommending for people throughout his entire career that he became a victim of now, which I hope he sees as a redemption arc and helps spread the knowledge and information so more people don't get hurt like he did.
ian crossland
Michaela's been pissed lately.
I saw a video.
She's just, something's been going on.
She's outraged about what Jordan has been going, what he went through, and I don't know.
I don't know if there's new evidence or news about it, but I heard her talking about it.
tim pool
It's a crazy time, man.
You know what we need?
I want you to imagine this.
I want you to imagine you walk into your kitchen in the morning.
There's a fresh pot of coffee.
There's some bacon on a plate and some pancakes.
There's a nice family.
They're sitting down for a wholesome breakfast.
Dad's reading the newspaper.
Just this calm, serene image of this like photograph of the American Golden Age, because now our culture is fractured.
Everybody hates each other for every other reason.
Maybe social media is the problem.
But I just think about that.
That's what I was saying about, you know, Trump's speech when he was announcing he was running.
Make America Great Again.
Come back to the point where we care about our families, we felt secure in our homes, and we cared about our communities.
Because right now, we don't feel safe.
People in New York, I mean, are getting pushed in front of trains like crazy.
San Francisco is going to put explosives on robots.
Everybody's screaming at each other and hate each other for every other reason and it's just like, man...
ian crossland
It's all just like... Yeah, I went back to Ohio last weekend to hang out with my family at my parents' house.
It's really refreshing.
And I sit on the back porch and I'm looking out at the cemetery beyond our backyard and thinking like, in my whole life, I never was worried that someone was going to come up here with a gun and shoot me in my parents' back porch.
And I'll get these waves of that now.
It's just like, is this disgusting?
Maybe it's social media.
Maybe it's the high radiation coming off these screens.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
There's a video out of New York.
There's a cop just walking down the street and a guy walks up to him and just executes him.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I saw that too.
tim pool
It's crazy.
Yeah, so We got to figure something out.
You know this this story about like man I don't know how you restore accountability.
ian crossland
People should be armed.
luke rudkowski
We have a broken system that is built on breaking people.
People are destroyed.
People are medicating themselves, drugging themselves where they don't even consciously exist in our human life.
So, I think the problem is not just with diet, but with mental health, physical health, spiritual health.
I think all of it is at an all-time low, and there's a lot of seething, very powerful people sucking off of that and built a system that they empower themselves because of that suffering.
And this is why I think a lot of the suffering is deliberate, because it's profitable.
And how else can you argue it?
alex alx lorusso
Keep people medicated, happy, and consuming.
That's all they care about.
luke rudkowski
Short-term dopamine pleasures of things that don't actually matter and don't mean nothing.
ian crossland
Planned obsolescence, just consumer capitalism where they want you to buy something that falls apart, they want you to stay depressed so that you're constantly looking outside of yourself for a solution.
tim pool
You have the TV, or the drug, or the sugar, or the shirt, or the... These authoritarian, utopian worldviews that some people have.
What they don't understand is that if you have a unified culture, you don't need an iron fist.
If people are working towards common goals and common interests, if they believe and respect similar things, then you don't need to go and lock someone to force them.
China wouldn't need to do the things they're doing.
The problem is For whatever it is, everywhere, the cohesion is breaking down, it's breaking apart, the glue that holds societies together is dissolving.
ian crossland
One of the things Ye said when he came on the show a few days ago, it was before the show, was like, how do I win a presidential election?
I wasn't in the room, you guys were talking about it, and you were like, I don't know, like, ballot Harvard?
tim pool
Well, at first I said something like, I'm not the guy for that, and then he said, you ignored my question.
And then I was like, ballot harvesting.
There you go.
ian crossland
What I really think we need is a shared vision, a belief in reality.
We need something to live for, to believe in, and that's like space elevators and graphene.
We need to excite people about the future that we can all come together and believe in.
And then you're not going to be worried that your neighbor's coming over to steal your chicken, because we both have a shared future.
tim pool
You have the fake version of it, like North Korea, where no one really feels like they're working together.
They're being forced to, and they hate it.
But they do have some kind of cultural cohesion, but at the barrel of a gun.
I feel like the United States, if you go back a long time, people assume that we had it.
Like when I say, oh, you're in the kitchen, and there's breakfast and everything.
But there was always some kind of conflict.
It's just worse now, for whatever reason.
And I'm not saying it's going to get worse.
I'm actually feeling like with Elon buying Twitter, we could be moving towards something better.
And I'll say this, it may be that the cohesion is there, but the narrative is that it's not.
For example, Elon did this poll about reinstating Donald Trump.
And then it was like, what, 52% to 48.
And he said it was interesting to see the bots attack.
Then he does another poll.
Should I reinstate Grant Amnesty?
And then it's 72%.
Now hold on there a minute.
How is it that you have this major swing in opinion?
Could it be that all the leftists left because he brought Trump back?
Or could it be that bots were manipulating public opinion to make it seem like everyone supported the bunk?
And then as soon as, and then Elon did that Trump poll as a test.
Caught the bots, found their IPs, removed them, did another poll as a test, cleaned it up.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, he actually replied to, like, someone saying that, and then, like, I forgot exactly the reply, but, like, essentially to your point that, like, that was a honeypot to find the bots.
And the thing is, like you said, the narrative isn't there.
So, to your point, too, about the poll for free speech, 72% of users support reinstating accounts.
But there's this narrative out there for advertisers that they're scared to advertise on the platform because of hate and disinformation.
So it isn't the people that are afraid of all of this stuff and freedom of speech because user growth is going up.
People are using the platform more and signing up more, so that should excite advertisers.
It's the media and everyone else who are trying to derail this whole thing, trying to drive the narrative, but they're clearly losing the narrative.
And again, they have not reckoned with a force like Elon before.
tim pool
It's been fun.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, everything's been going on Twitter.
It's been exciting.
unidentified
It's fun.
tim pool
This is like one of the best we I gotta say, like, despite all the weird stuff, what y'all need to understand is as crazy as Monday was, this is like one of the best weeks that I think we hear like we've ever had just across the board.
For one, we had Thanksgiving.
You know, I hope everybody got to have a good time.
Then we have this ridiculous show that's all crazy.
Everybody's losing it.
But watching the stuff with Elon, election interference, releasing the Twitter files, I'm like, man, it's been a good week.
It's been a lot.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
How are you enjoying being on Twitter?
How has been the experience of being in Twitter in jail for so long changed you?
And how is this new Twitter affecting you?
alex alx lorusso
It's just like a stimulation overload, I describe it because... So I was actually out celebrating, like, I mean, I was out at my brother's band, actually, when Donald Trump got reinstated.
So right after I was having a bunch of the House Freedom Caucus members, like, texting me saying that they're replying to Elon, telling them to reinstate myself.
Um, 20 minutes later I was reinstated.
Um, after those tweets were sent, so it was like an hour after Trump was reinstated, I was the first account after Trump to be reinstated.
Um, and so like, all of that at once hitting me, and then like a couple days later Elon replying to me, and it's just been like absolutely insane, and it's hard to process it.
tim pool
When you came back on Twitter, did you have like, how long ago were you suspended?
alex alx lorusso
Like two and a half years.
It was April 2020.
tim pool
Did you have notifications and like messages from back then?
alex alx lorusso
So I have a screenshot or like a screen record of my phone was like, I could not use it because of the amount of notifications.
And I also got this welcome back banner from Twitter.
I'm like, this is a new Twitter that I'm experiencing.
But my phone was unusable for phone calls.
I was trying to shut the notifications off so I could use it, but I'm getting text calls.
Charlie Kirk shouted me out right away.
Benny shouted me out.
Jack.
All of these people were shouting me out.
So I got suspended with 85,000 followers.
I now have like 200k.
I got suspended with 85,000 followers.
I now have like 200K.
So I gained like almost double what I had in one night.
So it was like melting my phone.
ian crossland
You said you didn't know what caused it, but what was the ban?
Like, what was the situation around when the suspension happened?
alex alx lorusso
Yes, so originally, so I posted this meme that they had, so Joe Biden's campaign put up this thing where you'd post your picture and say, say, Alex stands with Joe Biden, and it would be you next to the Joe Biden logo.
So I turned it into a meme and I said, Xi Jinping stands with Joe Biden.
So Mike Cernovich quoted it back then.
And he said, watch the media spin this into like manipulated media.
Cause that was a popular thing at the time.
Dan Scavino had just got hit with like a video that was out of context supposedly.
So like at 20 minutes after that, my account was suspended.
So like I put two and two together.
I'm like, I just posted this.
I just saw like his, you know, hypothesis of what could be a violation.
And I assumed that was it.
So they came out and said that was not the reason and that it was for platform manipulation and spam
without going into further details.
ian crossland
And you still have no details?
alex alx lorusso
Yes, so I would do like the regular appeals process and I'd get back different details.
And like I was saying earlier, so on the day I was reinstated, I actually got one back that said I was in violation of hateful conduct and targeted harassment, which I've never engaged in.
So, they would just spit back these random reasons.
And originally, Twitter, they said, we'll show you the piece of content that violated and which rule it violated.
Like back in 2015, when there was one sheet of rules and not a whole page of links.
So yeah, I don't know the exact violation.
They have refused to tell me.
It's funny, back when it happened, so a friend at the White House reached out to Twitter, apparently trying to get answers, and a friend at the FCC also did.
They said, the quote from the guy at the FCC is, the White House already reached out on this, and they're pushing back.
They're adamant that you're not going to be let back on the platform.
Higher ups are.
That was from the VP of comms at the time.
ian crossland
At the FCC?
alex alx lorusso
At Twitter.
VP of comms to the guy at the FCC.
ian crossland
And then, now what are you doing with your newfound fame and wealth?
alex alx lorusso
I've been enjoying it.
I mean, it's only been, I think, like... I think it's like nine days now.
I mean, this week's been absolutely insane, so it's hard to control the days and everything, but, you know, it's been insane.
ian crossland
What advice do you have for people that have experienced what you experienced?
alex alx lorusso
Um, so I've been actually trying to help get people replatformed.
I know it's all at once right now with everyone being mass amnesty and everything.
I've actually helped, I believe, get a few people back on Sven Hernandez and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
So I was encouraging people, because this is the way I got reinstated, is replying to Elon's recent tweets with like a hashtag, bring them back.
and then also like the exact username.
Like a lot of the mistakes people are making is like bring back XYZ
and they're like just putting their name.
Elon Musk doesn't know who those people are.
People at Twitter don't know who those people are.
You have to tag their username.
So reply to Elon Musk or people in his circle to get the attention.
But I think there's probably gonna be more guidance next week, because, well this week they're gonna be
rolling out like Blue Verified and everything so their focus is on that.
But there's gonna be more guidance as to like what smaller accounts need to be,
if they have to reapply for an appeal or.
How to actually get it back, but right now I think that's the best way is reply.
tim pool
I need to point something out for everybody listening.
YouTube was having problems earlier today.
It was down for some people, and people are noticing that the frame rate dropped to like five frames per second, super slow.
Were we talking about the CIA?
That's happened before, isn't it?
But this is what I want to point out.
There have been instances where Luke went, more than one, Luke will go off on, say, like the CIA, and then people watching will see the video just freeze and, like, the loading thing, and then it comes back and Luke's not talking.
We're talking about something else.
There's been a bunch of stuff like that that has happened before, and maybe it's just nonsense.
Maybe it's just a coincidence.
But, you know, I'm seeing in our live monitor something obviously happening.
People are obviously talking about it.
Our tech people are on it.
I can actually see It doesn't look like it's on our end, but I'm not entirely sure.
luke rudkowski
Well, the views also dropped off.
It's been going crazy.
tim pool
It was at like 53, then it dropped down to like 40, and I'm like, whoa, this is weird.
luke rudkowski
Now it's at like 40,000.
tim pool
YouTube's busted.
Let's put it that way.
I had a phone call with them.
You want to talk about that?
Yeah, so let me pull up this tweet here.
Uh, this is what I tweeted.
Google is trying to get YouTubers to lobby on their behalf to protect the current iteration of Section 230.
You'll start to notice videos and social posts defending it.
These are not organic.
I have another call with Google about it today.
That was 12 hours ago.
And then I posted at about 5pm.
Google unfortunately cancelled my call with them.
Section 230 is vital to a free and open internet, but Big Tech should not be free to editorialize and be immune at the same time.
So basically what's happened is, it is Gonzales v. Google.
I could be getting it wrong, but my understanding is that YouTube had recommended terror videos or something to somebody, because it's automatic, right?
And then they said, ah, you provided support to them by giving them access to the system, or something to that effect.
Or people were able to search for it and find it, and so you are choosing to recommend it.
And now, with the Supreme Court granting, cert, whatever the full word is, They're actually going to be hearing this case and YouTube's freaking out.
I think the reason the guy cancelled on me is because I kind of went off on him.
ian crossland
I wish I could hear that conversation.
tim pool
But the issue is basically that YouTube is saying, you can't hold us responsible for what people say, which is the platform.
That bans anyone who says things we don't like and then chooses to highlight the things we like specifically, that's insane.
ian crossland
Yeah, featuring.
Featuring is like an inherent publishing tactic.
alex alx lorusso
And I think, like, when it was originally, obviously when it was conceived, the internet was smaller and everything, but I think it was given in good faith, too, that they would actually take action against, you know, illegal content, because obviously they knew that, you know, they couldn't control everything that was on the internet at once, and that's why they had liability protections, is because, you know, say on Twitter, like, thousands of users are posting every day, they can't catch everything in real time.
But that's the thing.
I believe they gave it to him in good faith that they would target, you know, like I was bringing up earlier, the illegal content, the most important and harmful content, rather than the EU worried about misinformation or hate speech or whatever they want to say that they're going after right now.
tim pool
I read a story about New York that some of you may have heard me reference before.
When they banned public drinking, there was like a city council member or something who said, let this law not ever be misconstrued to say that a man can't enjoy a beer with his lunch.
It was specifically about drunkards strolling about causing problems.
Well, now you can't enjoy a beer with lunch.
Because the law gets written, and then everyone's just like, oh, that's what it says.
So you take a look at what happens with the law in section 230, they're like, hey, You can't be held responsible if someone else posts something.
And then they go, yeah, but can we take stuff down?
And I'm like, well, no, because then you're editorializing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but hold on, man.
Like, what if someone posts something illegal?
I gotta take it down, right?
Oh, good point.
Okay.
So if you're taking things down that are obscene, lewd, or illegal, then you can take it down and can't be considered a publisher of content if you're choosing.
And then they went, okay.
So now we're gonna ban conservatives.
That's where we're at.
ian crossland
Yeah, obscene is a very, very vague word.
tim pool
I think Antifa is obscene.
Ban them all.
No, I'm kidding.
They're allowed to say their ideas, whether they're good or bad.
And they shouldn't be allowed to advocate for violence or organize violent events, which they were doing.
Now that Elon's in, they're getting banned.
Surprise, surprise.
Child exploitation getting banned.
Yeah, it's really sickening and crazy what was going on before they intervened.
But I have to wonder, at the same time, if this is what we're seeing now with Twitter, what will happen to YouTube if they lose not all of their immunity, because this is just about recommendations.
Do they fall under the protections?
What would happen to them?
Are they going to be able to pick and choose and play politics?
That means Jimmy Kimmel no more.
You go to the front page of YouTube, no more Mr. Beast, no more Jimmy Fallon.
Bye-bye.
Nothing.
You gotta search, you gotta find it, reverse chronological feed, baby.
ian crossland
Yeah, it should be a reverse chronological by default, and then I think it should be, you should be able to create your own algorithm.
Mine says this, it's kind of, I haven't messed with it much, but you can create your own, what do you want to get fed?
Like, do you like golf?
Do you like dogs?
luke rudkowski
Hey, I got a crazy idea.
If you search for someone, you actually find them, right?
You know?
Like, that's, whoa!
That's a big one there, Google.
I want 10% on that one.
tim pool
You know what I think they'll do is they'll start recommending channels instead of videos on the front page.
You'll go to the front page and it'll say, Mr. Beast, it'll say, and they'll just say, these are channels that other people have liked and they're not promoting any speech or recommending speech.
Then they recommend an individual, and if the individual says something, well then it's like, well that's their video.
We didn't recommend that video.
So I think that's the way it might go.
So they'll still keep playing dirty.
We need hard reform on Section 230.
Google should not be held responsible for the things that any of us here say, but they should not be allowed to suppress the content at the same time.
Propping up the ideas they like, suppressing the ideas they don't like.
ian crossland
That's weird, the idea of suppression, because if two people come to me and they're like, here, show everyone my book, I'm like, well, I have to pick one.
The one I choose doesn't mean I'm suppressing the other guy, I just chose the one.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
ian crossland
But it turns out it is a form of suppression, I guess, if I'm supposed to be a neutral arbiter.
tim pool
That's not what I'm saying.
That's not what I'm saying.
I respect the point.
That if there's limited space and they can only show some videos, then they are highlighting videos, not suppressing you.
If there's a system where they say, if you get 10 views in 10 minutes, we're going to put you in the hot new video section.
And then they go to you and say, except you.
Yeah, that's suppression.
ian crossland
For sure.
tim pool
Rules for everyone except you, you get a special class of rules that limit what people can find.
ian crossland
Yeah, on blacklist accounts.
But then they're afraid, what they're afraid of is that grandma's gonna go to youtube.com and they're gonna see white nationalism and racism and militantism and all this stuff.
They're like, just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good, you know?
But it might be the du jour, like the thing of the day.
So they want to try to curate that front area for the landing page.
tim pool
And that's the challenge.
Imagine if anyone, like the amount of censorship that we have now, Imagine if they had this level of control and speech during the Civil Rights Movement.
There'd be no Civil Rights Movement!
Oh, this is upsetting to people, there's protest, it's bad, it's aggressive.
We're gonna silence and shut down.
You know, they did try.
They tried stopping people, but people still had constitutional rights.
Not all of them were as protected, obviously.
These rights were hard fought.
But today, because communications are happening on private companies, They're eliminating anyone who speaks out.
And we're not talking about the white nationalists or the neo-Nazis, because they should be condemned totally.
No, we're talking about people who believe in free speech, anti-war activists, people who want government reforms, people who oppose, say, taxation.
These are people who are getting shut out.
ian crossland
Yeah, anti-war's big, because I was very against the war in Iraq, and I was very vocal about it on YouTube, and YouTube was so down with it.
They were like, yeah, the people at the time were also anti-war, but that doesn't always the case, you know?
In the Ukraine thing, like, there's people in the media that want that.
They want conflict over there for some reason.
alex alx lorusso
They want, like, Putin needs to be stopped, Putin needs to be—and you're like, no, That's the thing, if you do not want war in World War III, like you saw Elon Musk tweet about it, then you're automatically pro-Russia.
It's like, okay, maybe we should go to peace talks or whatever.
Everyone automatically paints you as pro-Russia.
It's just insane.
tim pool
That's crazy.
Elon Musk tries saying, hey guys, let's not have war, and then all of the votes are like, no, we want war.
I think that was a big moment for him when he was like, okay, I gotta buy Twitter, man.
I don't know though, but to go back to the Starlink stuff, it really sounds like he's planned this for a long time.
But I'm glad to see it.
I'm glad to see that Twitter is starting to be improved and fixed, and Michael Tracy had a really great tweet.
He was like, these are the rules from 2015.
It just said, don't post threats of violence or incitement, everything else, that's your problem.
And he was like, we should go back to that.
Elon Musk said, makes sense.
ian crossland
But it's got to be imminent threats of violence, Elon.
Make sure there's a time and a date and a specific thing.
Like someone coming up and be like, I'm going to kill you.
That's not an imminent threat of violence.
If they say I'm going to kill you on a certain day at a place, then you're creating illegal activity.
luke rudkowski
Ian loves his threats of violence.
ian crossland
It's legal to do vague threats.
It is legal under the U.S.
Constitution.
alex alx lorusso
DMs too is like different from like say if you just tweeted something randomly that like say it was like a rap lyric or you know something like that versus like you're harassing someone in their DMs saying you know I'm gonna come and harm you.
ian crossland
What's the difference exactly?
alex alx lorusso
So one is targeted at another person rather than just on the platform itself I would say.
ian crossland
Like if you mean like a general post, this is like at ALX, I'm coming.
alex alx lorusso
Or yeah, I think DMs should be, I think those are more serious because that's more personal.
Because that's directing it directly at you.
And then the other thing is too, with like public officials too, they get like so many mentions.
I forget which elected official pointed this out the other day,
that they got like, they blamed Elon Musk essentially for it.
They're like, this is what speech is allowed on your platform.
The problem is it's not allowed on the platform.
They don't tell people to report it rather than like this elected official
will like screenshot it and put a tweet up.
The question is, number one, if they felt at risk,
did they contact law enforcement?
Number one.
Number two, did they even report that to Twitter?
So how is Twitter even going to take that down if they didn't report it?
so I think one of the things that Twitter should be doing to for all of these people that are complaining is Put put the ball back in their court say if you don't want to see Donald Trump's tweets Block him.
Here is the new feature for mutes, because they have that mute feature.
Nobody uses it.
It's great.
Yeah, so they have the hate speech list.
Someone asked, they said, what denotes hate speech?
And they said, it's not a list I came up with.
It's one the company already has.
Why don't they make that a custom filter on the mute button, where you can just toggle that off?
Mute, hate speech.
So the user gets to choose.
Rather than what his philosophy was, which I kind of disagree with, is freedom of speech is not necessarily freedom of reach.
tim pool
But it's because what they're actually mad about is not that they see it, it's that you see it.
They don't want other people to see these things.
Let's jump to this tweet right here, and we'll get in one last segment for today.
From kron4news, San Francisco police clarified that it would not arm robots with guns.
Instead, they would be equipped with explosives.
Well, okay, that's the future I was looking forward to.
A robot dog runs up to you and you go, oh god, and then it blows up.
That's crazy, man.
ian crossland
And it would be like a focused explosion, so it would go in one direction towards its target, and the robot would probably be fine.
luke rudkowski
Like I was playing more Rumba.
tim pool
I was driving in my Tesla the other day.
And it's got- Elon announced everyone's getting full self-driving now, and it really is crazy to experience.
The steering wheel's spinning by itself, it's just going.
ian crossland
Oh, it just auto-updated the car?
tim pool
So Elon ro- Tesla rolled out all full self-driving for everybody, you flick a little tab on the screen and then all of a sudden your car's auto-driving.
I'm on a, it's like a three-lane, uh, six-lane highway, like three and three, and there's, there's a median.
If you want to turn, because it's a big highway in the middle of nowhere, you pull into the median and wait.
And so this truck pulls in and stops, and I'm, and I, and I'm, my car's in self-driving, got my hands on the wheel, and then just slams the brakes on.
Because it assumed that there was something in the median coming towards us.
I don't even know why.
And that's very, very dangerous.
But you know what?
You can counteract that by just tapping the accelerator and it cancels the braking and keeps going.
That's what you're supposed to do.
You're supposed to be like, hey, you made a mistake, car, right?
Now imagine they get a robot dog with a bomb on it, and it makes that kind of mistake.
The only difference is it explodes in front of you, and you can't tap a brake to make it stop.
So, how you guys doing?
Are we looking forward to our San Francisco killer police robot future?
ian crossland
What do we got?
People were masking up.
You've got facial recognition.
Is that part of why we've introduced masks?
Is it because people, are they going to be able to recognize your face with a mask on?
Is that what they're trying to do?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
unidentified
I think they could recognize you based off your... Gait.
serge du preez
The way you walk.
unidentified
The way you type.
luke rudkowski
The way you use the internet.
The way you use a mouse.
They could find out who you are and set up a specific pattern.
tim pool
They have gait recognition.
If you're wearing a mask and walking, it can see how you're moving and then go, we know who that is.
ian crossland
Man, the idea that a robot could walk up to someone and blow them up on the street is freakin' nuts.
Especially in this country, that's freakin' nuts.
tim pool
I had a crazy thought, because Elon Musk is doing that Neuralink update, implanting your brain.
Then we're talking about X-Phone and Starlink.
I want you to imagine this future.
When you're born, the doctor says, do you want us to do the Neuralink now?
Yes!
Oh, he's getting Neuralinked!
And they put the Neuralink in the brain.
Then, as you're getting older, but at this point, Starlink is substantially more powerful, you are networked via satellite with your brain your entire life.
So you're walking around, you don't have a phone, you're just getting the data beamed to your brain and you're thinking back and beaming data back and like, I don't know about that.
luke rudkowski
Not you.
ian crossland
Perhaps.
I don't know if Elon would do that.
about that. He'd give you the mental power to shut down drones from a distance with your
thoughts. But you know, Elon would give the individual the ability to shut those robot
dogs down. He's that kind of rebel, but he's not going to necessarily be in charge the
tim pool
whole time. Perhaps I don't know if Elon would do that. I kind of feel like they'll have
the power to shut you down. You'll be walking around and you'll and you'll walk into a pastry
shop and you'll say, I'll have you walk into a Starbucks. I'll have the egg bites and the
cold brew pumpkin spice and they're going to go, that'll be $5 and you'll go, okay.
Okay, just a minute.
Something's wrong.
Sorry, sir, if you can't pay.
I don't understand.
It's not connecting.
What's happening?
ian crossland
I gotta report to the barracks.
tim pool
No, no.
All of a sudden, you hear in your own mind, you have been disconnected for hurtful thoughts.
Cut you off.
You were thinking to the network.
I'm imagining, like, if we get to the point where it is Neuralink, people are getting brain implants.
Starlink's gonna like, yo, he's building more than just one thing.
You know what I mean?
You like think your car pulls up, you get it, then you're connected to the network again.
No escape.
luke rudkowski
That's what I said earlier, a PSYOP within a PSYOP.
And people could even find someone through their heartbeat.
I mean, the technology is advancing so fast, and already it's being abused by so many powerful people
in so many horrible ways, with it becoming more integrated into our lives,
with it having more power over our lives, the people screwing us over with the technology
that already exists will only screw us over even more.
So you think it's bad now, it's probably going to get a lot worse.
ian crossland
I started doing this thing where I was thinking words instead of saying them to people.
I started making YouTube videos in 06, and I was like, well, let's just tell all my past secrets.
Let's get this out of the way, because they're distracting me.
They're getting in my mind when I'm trying to have fluid thoughts.
So I was like, oh, my grandpa used to grab me when I was a kid, and it was abusive.
And I would be honest about these horrible things from my past, things that I did.
And all of a sudden, I had complete control of my thoughts.
I no longer had racing thoughts.
I just have an empty brain where I can create any words I want at any time, for the most part.
And I think that's how you counteract this neural net crap with them trying to read your thoughts.
You don't have any.
And then you can make it hear what you want it to hear.
luke rudkowski
That's a perfect Ianism.
I love it.
tim pool
That was good.
But, you know, it's funny, but you make a point.
Uh, I don't know how... I think the challenge is, it takes a strong meditative mind to counteract a probe in your brain, you know what I mean?
Like, try and clear your mind and think of nothing, when you also have that trope of, don't think of a white fence, and then you immediately do, and it's like, you can't do anything about it, man.
ian crossland
Is that... you see Ghostbusters?
When Rey, they're like, no one think anything, he's like...
And then the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man comes in and says, I'm sorry, I'm sorry!
First thing that came into my mind.
That's Gozer, you know?
Don't think about anything.
tim pool
So I guess I wonder, you know, are we all being led by Elon Musk, the Pied Piper?
It's like the walrus and the carpenter and he's dancing around and we're all dancing along with him about to go around the corner and get... I feel like he would know that he would see that in the distance, that he would know that he could be used as a honeypot.
ian crossland
So like he would have some protections beforehand.
tim pool
I'm saying he's doing it on purpose.
Like I'm saying, is it possible that he's like, I'm here for free speech!
Everyone support me!
He gets everybody rallying behind him, because he knows where public opinion is.
He starts doing these things that won't stop his technological advancements or plans, and, you know, maybe he thinks it'll be a good thing.
You know, we'll end all the hate when everyone's wired into each other's brains.
alex alx lorusso
It's just confusing what his motivation would be, though, like, because, like I said earlier, it's like, what's money to him?
Like, I mean, suppose he wants to do that, like, Doesn't that, like, make him even more busy than he already is?
Like, he just, like, owns everything now?
Like, would he be, like, elected, like, a ruler at that point?
Because he would be more powerful than the government at that point.
tim pool
I mean, he wants to go to Mars.
And I was talking about this a bit earlier, and I think we talked, we may have mentioned it here.
We have, there are a lot of human beings that don't contribute To anything.
I don't think people are required or obligated to contribute to anything.
Humans are free to go and live on a farm and live their lives and be happy.
But if you're looking at a shared mission of the United States, it's like so few people are working towards any kind of shared goal.
Whereas in like World War II, you had basically everybody working together.
So if you're someone like Elon, and you want to colonize Mars, you want to go to other planets, you need a substantially larger amount of active people working towards this infrastructure.
Elon says we need more people.
He's right.
More people means more specialties, means more technology, means better capabilities for man.
But we have a lot of people who do nothing.
You know, like, people who are just, like, dancing in Times Square.
Now, I got no beef with Times Square dancers.
I think this stuff's really cool.
But it's not going to contribute, for the most part, to any kind of space travel or worldview or world vision of someone like Elon Musk.
It may be relaxing and fun to watch.
It may be entertaining.
That's good for you.
But there's certainly a lot of people that aren't doing things in the direction that a powerful individual might want.
So let's assume Elon Musk says it is imperative that humanity travels to the stars because he really believes it.
Well then of course he would want massive control over the narrative to create a space where everyone is working towards a goal that he desires.
What is money?
That's a good point.
Elon can only buy so much, but if you control the culture of an entire country, they will willfully start building your rocket ships.
ian crossland
Yeah, manpower.
That's one of the greatest things money can get you is manpower, but people will do that for free if they believe in you.
tim pool
And it's not, but there's also limits too.
Some people will be like, you can't pay me enough and I don't need your money.
You make a culture or community or a group of people want to do it.
And then you don't gotta, you don't gotta worry about it.
Excuse me.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
I'm looking pretty sound.
ian crossland
I'm really looking forward to interviewing Elon.
Probably get him on the show pretty soon.
I would imagine.
I don't know how busy he is over at Twitter HQ.
tim pool
I mean, I mean, Ian is very confident.
There's often where like, Ian will be in the beginning of the show like, we should get Brad Pitt on the show.
I'm like, sure, dude!
ian crossland
That'd be good.
tim pool
Yeah, right?
ian crossland
Pop culture crisis, too.
tim pool
Right.
Yeah, if we could.
ian crossland
Confidence plays, man.
It's like, I don't, deep down, I'm an insecure child.
Like, everything, I'm like, terrified, like, I'm, this is all an act, you know?
This whole Ian Crosland character I've built.
But I do believe, like, we had Kanye on a couple days ago, like, this is it, man.
We're coming together, and we're gonna build a space elevator.
luke rudkowski
Reach for the stars.
ian crossland
Yeah, and elongate your spine while you're doing it, you know?
tim pool
I'm just like, Ian, how are we supposed to book these people?
ian crossland
You know, one step at a time.
luke rudkowski
Who else do you guys want?
What's the biggest guest you think you guys could get?
ian crossland
I'd love to get Ron Paul on the show.
Love to.
I don't know what his status is, how he's feeling.
luke rudkowski
We gotta go to Texas.
tim pool
Yeah, we have to go.
luke rudkowski
Let's set it up.
tim pool
Let's go.
There's a lot of people who I work with and are fans of Ron Paul who have already told us, like, we have to go to Texas and we can make something happen.
luke rudkowski
Let's set it up.
Let's do this.
ian crossland
Ron, Elon, I'd like to get Chris Pavlovsky, Bill Altman, Elon Musk, like a bunch of CEOs of tech companies.
luke rudkowski
But the biggest guest for the show, what would it be?
ian crossland
Klaus Schwab.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he's in D.C.
I would love to sit down with him.
tim pool
He's here.
He's in D.C.
alex alx lorusso
He was at the old show.
tim pool
Klaus, come on the show.
luke rudkowski
I would love to talk to Mr. Klaus and I would love to talk to Mr. Gates as well.
What about you, Serge?
Sorry, go ahead.
tim pool
No, I was gonna say, Klaus is gonna be like, there are too many people in South Africa, so we have to get rid of them.
There's just too many of them.
luke rudkowski
Who do you want to see?
serge du preez
I'd love to speak to Elon as well, just as a South African.
He may want to speak to a fellow South African.
That's about it.
tim pool
Yeah, I'd just say Elon.
Like, typically when people are like, who would you rather have on the show?
Like, who would you want to get on the show?
I'm like, I don't handle booking.
You know, Cassandra messages and finds people, and before that was Lydia.
But if I... There are some times where I'll hit somebody up and be like, yo, yo, come hang out.
Like, I'd love to have you on the show.
Elon, definitely.
luke rudkowski
Putin.
Putin.
Kim Jong-un.
All of you guys.
You guys have an invite here.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, Zelensky would be a spectacular guest.
luke rudkowski
Imagine.
ian crossland
What is he going through right now?
luke rudkowski
I mean, why not?
tim pool
Does Kim Jong-un speak English?
serge du preez
I believe so.
He went to Swiss school, so I imagine he does.
tim pool
That's a good point.
I would absolutely love to talk to him.
Let's go to Korea.
luke rudkowski
Why not?
tim pool
Go to North Korea.
alex alx lorusso
At the DMZ.
unidentified
Yeah?
ian crossland
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
I'll do it.
We did crazier stuff.
ian crossland
Who would be your favorite guest to have on ours?
alex alx lorusso
Probably Elon Musk.
ian crossland
Elon, the time is hot.
tim pool
Well, I just think Elon's doing so much good.
As much as I mention maybe he's got an agenda and stuff like that, it's because I'm not going to give anybody a guarantee.
I'm not going to assume trust in anybody.
But on the surface, the things that he's doing are absolutely admirable. 100%.
luke rudkowski
And he's extremely busy, so I think the only way we would be able to do it is if we go to him, set up a studio, maybe outside of Twitter HQ or anything, and just, like, come in, come out.
At Twitter.
Yeah, at Twitter.
In and out.
Really quick.
tim pool
They got the infrastructure.
ian crossland
We could probably set up a studio in the building.
luke rudkowski
Make it reasonable so he doesn't have to fly or spend a lot of time.
tim pool
We do the show on Twitter, we stream it on Twitter, and then Elon tweets it out, and then that's us having a fantasy vision of what the best possible stream is for everybody.
luke rudkowski
Or that's the way we launched Twitter's partner program.
alex alx lorusso
There it is.
luke rudkowski
Right?
tim pool
Brilliant.
I am down, absolutely.
luke rudkowski
Officially crossing over, officially moving over to a new platform that's going to be way better than, you know, And officially launching the, you know, this new media.
tim pool
Retweets.
So imagine this, guys, for everybody listening.
If we were on Twitter, and there was an easy, like, you go to twitter.com slash Timcast, and then it just says, like, live, there'll be like a tab that says live now, you click it, and then you'll get this video feed, and you click retweet.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Think about how big the show would be if, like, everybody just clicked retweet right there, and it got shared to all these feeds.
So that's why I'm like, I would absolutely love to stream to Twitter.
It exists.
They don't have, you know, the super chat function and stuff like that.
But that would be fantastic.
So that's why I said to, you know, I tweeted at Elon, I was like, do these things.
That'd be fantastic.
ian crossland
It's nuts that you can't read posts.
luke rudkowski
He's probably setting up super chats.
Like, why wouldn't he?
That's the way of beating out the advertisers, too.
tim pool
We gotta go to Super Chats right now as a matter of fact, so if you haven't already,
would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your
friends, become a member at TimCast.com because we're gonna have a members-only show coming
up for you around 11pm.
You don't wanna miss it, but for the time being, we will talk to you guys.
So let's see what you got.
Grofty says, peck the like button, be the notification.
Thank you, Grofty.
We have a shed we just shipped out to Cocktown.
Gonna give the roosters an expanded home.
Oh, nice.
coming, they need a place, and now they have a big massive thing coming in so we're really
excited.
I'm excited.
We got too many roosters.
There's a couple that I think are safe from being consumed, like Roberto, of course.
He's the king.
And Isaac, the son of Sarah, he is absolutely safe.
He's a big dude, he's a Brahma.
The Black Stars, though, we have so many of them.
This is Vanessa and Dorothy's sons.
They're aggressive and they look mighty edible, but Chris does not want to eat any of them.
ian crossland
Chris!
tim pool
He doesn't want to eat them.
ian crossland
He's just enjoying watching them grow.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, bravo to your segments today.
Call out fools out the system.
The website is all yous need.
I also want to shout out Surge.com for those impressive buttons as of late.
His progress is noticeable.
serge du preez
Thank you much, Raymond.
Appreciate it.
ian crossland
Surge.com, that's the website.
serge du preez
No, that's just my moniker.
It's from the DJ days, so yeah.
ian crossland
Do you have a website?
serge du preez
I don't.
I should ask you to help me do that.
unidentified
Sure.
serge du preez
But I mean, I could figure it out, I'm sure.
unidentified
Yeah, it's easy.
tim pool
All right, Doomer Humor says, Section 230 should be repealed to bring the chaos needed for a real conversation.
Yeah, I know, I'm kind of like, you know what's funny?
Is people project their motivations on other people.
That's like a normal thing.
And so I just want to, I just long for that moment where I can explain to the clout chasers and the trolls on Twitter that like, if Section 230 got nuked, and we got removed from notifications, I would just be laughing as loud as possible.
If tomorrow we got cut off from everything, I'd just be like, I got my van ready, and there is the river, and I'm gonna go chill.
I will play Spelunky until the sun goes down.
Actually, I'd probably play World of Warcraft or something.
unidentified
Not bad.
tim pool
Hearthstone.
ian crossland
OG Warcraft?
Pick up the Rogue again?
tim pool
I don't know.
Always Rogue.
Always.
You know, it's the only- I think I like playing- I was just thinking about playing a Priest.
I was playing Overwatch, I like playing Sombra.
Cause I like stealth.
It's just like, the element of surprise is so effective.
ian crossland
Genji?
Big fan of Genji.
tim pool
Genji's okay.
The two characters I like playing the most are probably Sombra and D.Va.
ian crossland
Hey, worst-case scenario, yeah, D.Va's nasty.
She's good in Heroes of the Storm, too.
If they repealed Section 230 outright, what's the worst-case possible thing that would start happening after that?
tim pool
They, if there was no Section 230, then YouTube would, if word was coming down that Section 230 was going away, YouTube would go to all the major networks and get a liability waiver from them.
They would go to a handful of big creators and they would ban everybody else.
ian crossland
Because they could get sued.
tim pool
Yeah, they would probably create, yeah, so it's not about whether you get sued, it's about the fact that YouTube gets sued 100,000 times in a single day, and it's impossible for them to deal with.
So Section 230 is very important, but I think that's just like a basic understanding, like YouTube's not speaking these things.
We are.
But Section 230 also grants them immunity to editorialize and promote whoever they want.
I disagree, that's wrong.
If you choose to promote someone, then I think you should be responsible.
Right now, Google is giving $13 million for fact-checking.
And I'm like, if you pay for it, you should be responsible.
But Section 230 says, you can pay for the content, publish on your front page, and still be immune from liability.
How, though, does that make sense?
All right, let's read some more.
What do we got?
Ron C. says, T-Mobile and Starlink have announced a satellite-based service for 2024.
Yo, I'm so stoked on that.
That's great.
I mean, I guess it'll be, uh, I guess it'll be interesting, man.
Thomas Larson says, free mobile phones.
The image is even purple.
The colors and the plan of the villain from the first Kingsman movie.
Do you guys see that?
unidentified
Yeah, I've seen it.
tim pool
He gives everybody free, uh, phone and, like, cell connection.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
And then he can turn on a device that plays a sound that triggers the aggression, aggression centers of the brain and makes everyone want to fight each other.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So that they all kill each other.
Yeah, he was like, otherwise global warming's gonna wipe us out.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Creepy!
Good movie, though.
luke rudkowski
Where have I heard that before?
tim pool
Araftus of Stett says, Ian is going to ask Elon about graphene and he's already going to have all the answers and have a massive sympathetic crystal on him.
ian crossland
My regret from the other night when Kanye left is that I didn't run after him and be like, graphene.
Because if he has his presidential message, we're going to build a graphene industry and Elon could get involved too.
I think it's very exciting.
Very exciting.
tim pool
Logan Culver says, Tim, whatever happened with the Freedom Phone?
Did you ever get one to review?
No!
We didn't.
I have no idea what happened with that.
Oh wow, that's a while ago.
It was that we couldn't get one from them because it would defeat the purpose of doing a review.
You can't trust it if they're handing it to you.
And we couldn't have it ordered to our names, because again, they'd be like, make that one the good one.
And we also, there was a huge wait list, so we were like, I don't know how we get one.
Like, we could have said, hey, give us a phone, and they would have, but then how could you trust the review is accurate if it's, you know, a Potemkin phone or something like that.
RN Ricky Bobby says, I'd like to request a shout-out.
A shout-out, my daughter Tilly was born November 3rd, 14 weeks early in the Philippines.
She's not doing well and I'd like to direct some attention to give Sendigo saving baby Tilly.
Please spread the word.
And perhaps some collective consciousness towards the well-being of your daughter.
And that collective energy, right Ian?
We'll focus it and maybe help her?
ian crossland
Healing right now.
tim pool
Healing energies, man.
I don't know, do you guys believe in that stuff?
That when everybody focuses thought it has an impact or something?
ian crossland
I fully do.
Sympathetic vibration's real.
Crystals vibrate.
Other crystals are cross-room.
Our bones are made of crystal.
tim pool
Some people call it prayer.
alex alx lorusso
I was gonna say.
Prayer.
Could all—like we were talking about earlier when we were talking about, oh, the Jewish God, the Christian God, the Islamic God.
It's like, well, we're all talking about the same thing.
Could be something similar to that.
tim pool
Mm-hmm.
serge du preez
Abrahamic God.
tim pool
All right.
MF Damien says, speaking of COVID, I thought it was supposed to be weak now.
104 fever and muscles locked up to where I couldn't walk yesterday.
Suggest otherwise.
serge du preez
Geez, man.
tim pool
Nah, man.
COVID's a nasty thing, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's why I'm just like, talk to, get a good doctor, man.
Make sure you like, When you go for a contractor or a plumber, do you just say, yeah, sure, whatever?
Or do you like read reviews about them?
Do you ask them questions, make sure they're skilled?
You know, a doctor is that same as anybody else.
In fact, probably more important.
I've had dentists that are like, yikes.
And I've had some really, really good ones that are great, you know.
serge du preez
Get well soon, man, by the way.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah. All right, David Taranto. China knew about it way before. They had an international
track even there in 2019. A lot of the track people got sick when they returned home.
And there was the military games too, right?
unidentified
I don't know about that.
tim pool
Joshua Ryman says, I side with Luke on everything.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
luke rudkowski
Well, I would— Vote for Luke.
I would say don't, and no!
Do your own thinking, don't believe anyone 100% of the time, do your own research, do your own homework.
I make mistakes sometimes, everyone does, and having an open mind is the most important thing that I think society needs more than ever.
tim pool
Alright.
Tarzan Jungle Kung Fu says Crowder interviewed a mortician from the UK.
He said the chemical makeup of the growths didn't match the makeup of a typical blood clot.
The difference wasn't small either, if I remember right.
Yeah, I'm wondering what it's made of.
Like, these cloths that they're saying they find in these people that you see in these videos, what is it?
You know, it's like a weird spongy, like, material of some sort.
ian crossland
That's why they didn't just tell us in that documentary where they were showing it.
Did they not put it under a microscope and, like... They should have.
tim pool
But I'm not gonna... I don't think they had to do anything.
They did what they did.
Someone should now go and do a deeper analysis to figure out what it is, what it's made of.
Specific kind of protein or something, or what is it, collagen?
alex alx lorusso
Gonna say maybe they didn't have the tech to do so, but yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
What do we got?
tim pool
David O'Hare said, would blasting the space rocks with frequencies, like from rad, using frequencies to push it.
What about it, Ian?
ian crossland
Yeah, you could do that.
Definitely.
Sound waves, you could move stuff with wave power.
serge du preez
But sound in space?
alex alx lorusso
I was gonna say, how would you concentrate that, wouldn't it?
ian crossland
Maybe you'd need some sort of hydrogen to bounce it off of.
Okay.
tim pool
Cam Girl Asuna says, Tim, space colonization will never happen while the establishment types have power.
They know that eventually there would be no possible way to control everyone if humanity spread through the galaxy.
They will doom us all to keep that control.
Also, time dilation's an interesting concept.
Like, if we created a massive vessel to carry 100,000 humans to go colonize Alpha Centauri or something, They'd be like a quarter of the way there, but then on Earth, technology would have advanced so far, we'd beat them to it.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, it's a crazy concept.
Presumably, technology would advance that far.
Could you imagine that?
It's like a thousand years in the future, and they're like, we're gonna go on our faster than light ship and go look at the Earth vessel from, you know, 700 years ago that's there in hypersleep.
And we can go, like, when they land, they get out and there's, like, a billion people living on the planet, and they're like, wait, what?
We're the colonists!
Like, well, actually.
ian crossland
The ethical thing to do would be to find them in space and hook up with them and then bring them.
unidentified
Yeah, I guess.
tim pool
Yeah.
Okay, what do we have?
Oh yeah, that's right.
Lee says Dr. Charles Liber was arrested in January 2020 while working with two Chinese
nationals, one of which was arrested in December 2019 for stealing vials of biological research.
We covered that on this show.
Yeah, it was in Yahoo News.
They found the viruses in their bags or whatever, and they're flying in the airplane.
Oh yeah, that's right.
serge du preez
I remember that now.
tim pool
Yep.
Defiance says, Ian, the Taurid meteor stream is an area of Earth's orbit that we pass through
once a year in late October, early November.
It's hypothesized that 12,800 years ago, a Taurid meteor caused the Younger Dryas period, though.
ian crossland
Yes, it was at the end of the Younger Dryas.
We pass through it twice in a year.
We pass through it at the end of, I think it's the end of June, June 30th, and at the end of October.
So it's twice per year that we pass through that thing.
But not always.
We're just in the mode right now where we're passing through it twice a year.
You don't always pass through it.
At least that's what I've heard from Graham Hancock.
I could be misquoting.
Look for him for expertise.
tim pool
Ben Hickson says, Tim, to see the worst of Australia, please look up Topher Field and see Battleground Melbourne, where a pregnant woman is arrested for incitement for a social media protest post.
Yikes, man.
That video where a cop pit maneuvers the pregnant woman and flips her car over is going viral again.
unidentified
Wild, dude.
tim pool
Cause she was like, there was barely no, there was almost no shoulder.
So she's like got her blinkers on and then he just hits her and then she flips.
Dude, chill, man.
unidentified
Some people though, they just don't want to do it.
tim pool
John Savage says, COVID has shown to affect the respiratory system, whereas something else may affect the cardiovascular system.
We'll keep that.
You know what we'll do?
We'll elaborate more on the members-only show, because there are upper limits.
But we try.
We try.
So.
All right.
What do we got?
More Super Chats.
What is this?
Howard says, let's go Brandon.
Dan, Elon, really Orion?
Show some love to SBF.
Show love to him?
unidentified
Got my love, bro.
ian crossland
Oh, some people are pointing out that it's Randall Carlson that's the expert, not Graham Hancock.
They're both pretty awesome.
Either one of those guys is going to get you there.
serge du preez
Someone's a JR listener.
tim pool
Waffles Sensei says, I bet Vijay Agade was crying that day because of how many communications Twitter had to delete that week, knowing they couldn't get rid of it all.
Yeah, seriously, man.
Greater Gateholder says, Tim, gotta fact check you on the cop who got shot from behind.
He's actually parking authority and he's still alive.
Not that it makes that any better.
I'm glad to hear he's alive, man.
That's a crazy video.
He's a parking enforcer?
What is this?
That's crazy, man.
Maybe it was personal or something?
Where was it, Philly?
luke rudkowski
I think it was Philadelphia.
tim pool
Philadelphia?
Yeah.
Man, that's crazy, dude.
What's happening to our country?
No, but for real though, what is happening to our country?
I don't know you guys says, asked my father long ago why there are so many a-holes in the world.
He said that there aren't, it's just easier for them to reach you now.
serge du preez
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think, uh, I think people, man, There are some evil, evil people in this world.
I'll just put it that way.
Like, evil exists.
And given the opportunity, it slimes out wherever it can.
And I need only mention the individual who has been arrested for trafficking to no one.
That evil is there.
And so when you see someone like Maxwell and that conviction, but they refuse to dig any deeper, this is where you start getting into corruption.
There are federal law enforcement individuals who know what she was doing and who with, and they're like, nah, better not say anything.
That's evil, sorry.
Totally evil.
Oh no, but high-ranking officials in government, it would be so bad for our system.
No, those are evil people.
Don't let them get away with it.
And then I'll add this to it.
The capacity for evil is within many other people who, given the power, would jump at the exact same opportunities.
That's a scary thought.
The only reason some of these people don't, I'll put it this way, you probably know someone who, given the opportunity, would gladly take the place of someone like Maxwell or Epstein.
Granted, all of this power, a private island, a plane, there are people who would do anything just to have that power.
And you don't know who it is.
alex alx lorusso
No.
tim pool
That's a scary thing.
ian crossland
God, it could be anybody.
It could be anybody.
It could be turned into that, too, I think.
Some minds are stronger than others, but no one's impervious.
You get to constant diligence.
tim pool
I look at Dylan Rattigan.
You know, he quit, and he went hydroponic farming or something.
The story of, I think, was it Cincinnatus?
Was he the emperor who was like, I don't want to be emperor, and he quit?
ian crossland
I think so.
tim pool
That was his name, maybe?
It was an emergency, and they were like, hey, we're making you emperor.
And then after the emergency was over, I was like, I'm done.
I don't want to do this.
I'm going to go farm again.
Super cool story.
Not everybody is like that.
I think there's more good than bad, but it's comparable.
It's yin-yang.
It's light and dark.
It's set and raw.
It's night and day.
You know what I mean?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Dylan was cool.
Dylan Rattigan of MSNBC.
Very down-to-earth guy.
I mean, were you there when we were hanging out with him?
I hung out with him a couple times in New York City after Occupy Wall Street and then afterwards.
And he's doing some really cool, amazing projects.
I think it'll be worth even potentially if he's back in the States to have him on because his transition is really something.
And I think what he's working on is very solution-oriented as well and deserves more attention.
tim pool
All right.
Taylord says, killer police robots in San Fran are not uncharted territory.
The Dallas sniper was killed by a robot delivered bomb in 2016.
No charges for the cops.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah, I was mentioning that, uh, I did a segment on it.
It's not going to be like a robot dog running around with a, with a gun firing.
It's going to be like, someone's going to be ducking behind a car shooting at cops and the robot's going to roll up and they're gonna go, it's going to blow up.
luke rudkowski
Or a drone bullet.
tim pool
A drone man.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, that's crazy.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
luke rudkowski
Just like in Ukraine.
In Ukraine, most of the war is being fought with drones.
tim pool
A quadcopter with a small bomb on it.
And then it'll just fly over, fly up to the person.
luke rudkowski
Or just drop a grenade.
tim pool
Yup.
I saw those videos, man.
That's nasty.
Man, war is awful, dude.
No joke.
Yikes.
Okay.
Noah Sanders says Neuralink equals new circumcision.
No baby needs it.
unidentified
Haha.
ian crossland
We never really had that circumcision conversation.
Is that a good conversation to have on YouTube?
tim pool
I mean, I don't know.
ian crossland
I think it's like trauma for the kid.
It happened to me.
I was circumcised.
tim pool
That wasn't an invitation to start the conversation.
ian crossland
Hold on.
I'm just getting started.
tim pool
Uh, maybe it'll come up in the after show, we'll talk about some of this stuff.
Alright, Matt Neal says, you're right Tim, it'll be kill all others.
Instead of a watch with drugs, it'll be an implant in your brain.
Also, you did nothing wrong in your show with Ye, he just didn't want to be challenged.
I wanna stress this point too, cause it's like, I keep seeing people not really understand it.
Two things.
First and foremost, I didn't interrupt Ye.
Like, literally didn't interrupt him.
I had my hand up.
Then I made a point when he stopped talking.
Then Nick interrupted me.
Then Ye asked me a question.
I calmly started to answer it.
He got up and stormed off.
Before the show, everything was effectively pre-planned.
People are saying, maybe you shouldn't have opened with that article about Pence and anti-Semitism.
And I'm like, I showed him an hour before the show and said, this is a good launching point for the dinner.
And he talked about Pence and there was no issues.
That's why I think it was staged.
Maybe, maybe not.
ian crossland
Yeah, I got no ill will from it.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm not mad.
ian crossland
When you're on a mission from God, you want to go where you want to go.
tim pool
I don't think I'll ever have anybody like that on the show again, though, to be completely honest.
You know, people were saying before, like, you should get Yay on the show, and I'm like, I don't know about that.
But this was a big news thing, and we like doing topical news stuff.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, I really want to avoid all the celebrity nonsense.
It's just weird.
I don't know, man.
That's not something I'm interested in.
Who am I kidding, though?
It's like, you can't really predict what's going to happen.
Like, if we had Elon on, isn't basically the similar thing.
We put ourselves in the center of some news stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to talk about solutions.
If we can get the top thinkers and movers in the world on and around us, we should talk about what technology is coming next.
How can we help?
What's the process?
tim pool
Kames Ojif says, Kim Jong-un and Michael Malice make it happen, Tim.
unidentified
That'd be wild.
tim pool
If I had that level of- I will mention, though, life is so much like a video game.
But in reality, that just means that video games are so much like life.
But it really is interesting how, you know, we start the show, getting guests is relatively difficult.
We're, like, trying really hard to get people at a certain level, and we're getting, like, you know, smaller, lesser-known individuals.
And then once the show gets big enough, all of a sudden we're getting governor candidates and senators, and it's crazy stuff.
And then, yay.
So it's like you really do build up, level up, gain experience points, collect GP, and then, you know, games are modeled off of how life is.
luke rudkowski
Kim, if you're watching, you have an invite.
Let's do this.
alex alx lorusso
Degrees of separation, too.
If you want to get in contact with him, the best person would be Dennis Rodman.
So find his guy.
tim pool
Kim Jong-un is sitting down watching the show eating popcorn.
He's like pointing at the screen.
ian crossland
He's like, yes!
tim pool
You're going to get an email.
They're going to be like, Luke, we want you to come fly to Pyongyang.
luke rudkowski
We got a crazier offer.
Remember?
tim pool
Which one?
luke rudkowski
To another crazy country.
tim pool
You don't want to say it, though.
Well, we didn't.
You did.
luke rudkowski
Well yeah, then I was like, I need you to come.
tim pool
It never happened though, it never happened.
All right, let's grab some more.
But Kim Jong-un with Michael Malice would be perfect because he wrote the book.
He wrote the book.
serge du preez
That's true.
tim pool
Truth Seeker Events says, Level up, do governments lie?
If no, carry on, my friend, and live and die in the realms of your ancestors.
If yes, where does it stop?
By their fruits, ye shall know them.
Freedom bound community.
Well, all right, man.
Levi Mortensen said, it's the Yerks, Tim.
It's the Yerks.
Is it Yerks or Yerks?
serge du preez
Yerks.
Oh, I know what that is.
The references from Animorphs, right.
tim pool
Because I was talking about it and I mentioned that there's like brain slugs that go in your brain and take over your brain.
And I'm like, I forgot what they're called.
What a fun book series, huh?
unidentified
How about that?
serge du preez
Blast from the Past, wow.
tim pool
Grizzly Nightmare 80 says, Tim, what's your favorite SG1 episode?
Oh, man, I don't know.
I don't know.
I watched like three episodes a day because it was on, I think, Comet, the channel, like a couple years ago.
There's probably a handful that I did miss, but just an all-around awesome show.
I couldn't think of anything off the top of my head.
Star Trek's a little bit different.
There's a lot of episodes I could think about off the top of my head that are very, very good or key points that were made, but I'd have to sit down and talk about it.
But I will stress that when Corin Nemec was here and I watched the Cast Castle with him and Ian, I was a little heart sick at the end when Corin Nemec walks out of the castle and then talks to his fake walkie-talkie and says, Jonas Quinn here.
We got permission to build a Stargate.
And then there's the portal opening in front of him and I was just like nostalgic.
I was like, I want more episodes of that show.
And it's like you get a little taste of it with doing this gag, but it's not real.
I'm like, aw man, to see Jonas Quinn going to a Stargate again would be so awkward.
ian crossland
We do need a good sci-fi show.
I think something that society is missing right now is a sci-fi show to unify consciousness.
Because if we can focus on the actual literal technology being utilized in a TV show.
tim pool
Let's make a show called Space Hole.
About a team that travels space through a hole.
Okay.
ian crossland
You've signed me.
luke rudkowski
Ian's interested in that kind of stuff, as he shared last night.
I'll bet you heard about that.
Also, someone else we should try to get is Dave Chappelle.
I think Dave Chappelle would be also huge, and it would be incredible to talk to him.
tim pool
Yes, and Joe Rogan.
ian crossland
I'd love to get Joe on.
luke rudkowski
Like it didn't happen before?
tim pool
Yeah, but look, we were in Austin and I think you were like, see if he'll do it.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
And then I was like, well, I guess I'll text him.
And he was like, sure, I'll come on by.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, that's exactly how it happened.
I'm like, you gotta do this.
You gotta do this.
We gotta keep trying.
You don't know unless you try.
Life is all about putting yourself out there and then challenging yourself and reaching for the biggest, craziest things that you could ever imagine.
That's what you're supposed to do.
But I want to avoid the drama stuff.
That's why I was like, let's get Ye.
Ye was also, you know, I was like, Cassandra, we've got to get Ye.
And then, boom, you know, Ian would say manifestation.
tim pool
It's true.
I don't like the drama stuff.
luke rudkowski
It doesn't have to be drama with Dave Chappelle or Elon Musk or Kim Jong-un.
tim pool
No, for sure, I get it.
I'm just saying, like, we should make sure that the people we do have on are actually going to chill and have a conversation, you know?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
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ALX, do you want to shout anything out?
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, I'd have to say my Twitter since I'm back at ALX.
You can follow me on Twitter.
luke rudkowski
I will definitely make sure to follow you.
Thank you so much for coming.
That was a very great conversation.
Really appreciated everything you brought here to this conversation.
My website is lukeuncensored.com.
I share a lot about my hippie manifestation powers and a lot of different stuff.
Today I did a video about how effed the world is and how to not get effed yourself.
I'm really proud of that video.
I'm proud of my forum.
All great conversations, great people on lukeuncensored.com.
See you there after this video.
ian crossland
Follow me, Ian Crossland, if you'd like, and check out TimCast.com if you want to see these shows.
Tim was talking about the Cast Castle with Corin Nemec and me and more.
It was very, very fun and very funny.
luke rudkowski
Very entertaining.
ian crossland
Here's to a future of space holes.
tim pool
Let's make it happen.
I also want to mention, too, we have a behind-the-scenes video with some commentary about the trip with Ye, Nick, and Milo as they came here, what happened when they got to the house.
We filmed a lot of it.
So that's going to be up for members only and we'll post it and then we'll let you know.
I think it might be up now, I don't know, or tomorrow.
I have no idea.
ian crossland
Cool.
What's happening, Serge?
Tell me about it.
serge du preez
I am at Serge.com.
Everyone thinks for some reason at the end of the show when Kanye was walking out, or Ye was walking out, I said, are you afraid of the press?
I did not.
I said, are you referring to the press?
Because I saw the miscommunication going on.
I was just trying to figure it out, do my job, you know?
I wanted to clarify that.
I did not say, are you afraid of the press?
Why would I say that?
Okay, come on.
tim pool
Like, I just want to say it for the 50 billionth time that the reason I think he planned it was that before the show, everything that he said, we had talked about and he was totally fine with.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It was totally normal.
serge du preez
Very relaxed.
tim pool
Like, you know, he was relaxed.
He was looking at the story.
I said things like, Elon Musk, Bezos, there's billionaires, there's other people with influence.
And he was like, yeah, whatever.
And like, we're just chilling.
When the show turned on, he was all of a sudden angry about it.
Like, it seemed performative.
I got no beef.
I'm not mad.
I appreciate that Ye came on.
I appreciate it.
I don't agree with what he said.
I don't appreciate what he said, but I appreciate that he gave us an opportunity and the time.
So it is what it is.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We'll see you all.
Did you shout out your surge.com or whatever?
serge du preez
At surge.com.
Follow me on Instagram, Twitter.
It's .com spelled out.
tim pool
Cool, Matt.
We'll see everybody else over at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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