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Timcast IRL - Leftist Arrested For Attempted Murder Of Paul Pelosi, Targeted Nancy w/Gavin Wax
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A deranged man broke into the Pelosi's home in the wee hours of the morning, mercilessly
beating Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul with a hammer, fracturing his skull, seriously injuring
him.
Paul Pelosi is expected to recover, but he had to get brain surgery.
It turns out now, first, the individual was seeking Nancy, screaming, where's Nancy?
And now we have information on this individual's potential motivations.
Well, the media initially reported that he had anti-COVID conspiracies and was posting things about the election.
It turns out he's a self-identified member of the Green Party, has a pride flag in front of his house, and is a nudist.
I don't know if you can necessarily put him in any camp, because he's maybe just crazy, But he's a self-identified member of the Green Party, so that's the left.
I mean, I know many of the higher-profile leftists would reject that, and well, you know, it is what it is.
But I'll make sure we make that clear.
This guy's a crazy person, and I'm not convinced that what he was doing reflects on any coherent ideology.
If someone showed up to the Pelosi's house with a clear understanding of what was going on and a political mission, I would say that was political and that was, you know, intended to be some kind of assassination.
But this, this guy just seems crazy.
But we'll read the story.
We'll get into that.
And also, we have way more developments on the Elon Musk story.
At first, it was reported he was going to be unbanning people.
Then he said, no, no, no one's getting unbanned until a diverse moderation committee comes together and convenes.
Then he said, anybody who is arbitrarily banned or dubiously banned will be reinstated.
So, should get interesting.
We'll go through that and a bunch of other stories.
Some people are claiming bots are being purged as leftists lose followers, but oddly, non-leftists and conservatives are gaining tons of followers.
So, we'll see.
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There's so much to go through.
Joining us to talk about this and so much more is Gavin Wax.
gavin wax
Thanks for having me back, Tim.
Great to be here.
tim pool
Who are you?
gavin wax
I'm a columnist with Town Hall, Newsmax, American Greatness.
I'm the head of the New York Young Republican Club.
We're the oldest and largest club in the country.
And I'm a co-author of an upcoming book, The Emerging Populist Majority, which should head to print this December.
And I'm writing it with my co-author and a good friend, Iraq War veteran Troy Olson.
tim pool
Right on, right on.
We also got the t-shirt vendor.
luke rudkowski
Hey guys, my name's Luke Rudasky here of wearechange.org and today I decided to wear my free as a bird shirt.
It of course highlights Elon Musk smoking a doobie inside of the Twitter logo.
If you like this shirt you could get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
Because you do, I am here.
Thank you again so much for having me.
ian crossland
I like that one a lot, Luke, and I want it.
luke rudkowski
I'll mail you one.
ian crossland
I want the one off your back.
Yeah, that'd be great.
I'm a medium.
luke rudkowski
I'm a large.
ian crossland
I was not around yesterday.
Great news.
luke rudkowski
We needed you.
ian crossland
Elon picked it up.
I know that now I see that he's starting a council.
He wants to get advisors on to figure out how to go about adjudicating the system.
So Elon, I am available if you want.
Some people have nominated me for this council, and I can put you in touch with a lot of great free software advocates.
We can get in touch with Chris, you already know Chris Pavlovsky, but we'll just start organizing a lot of the heads of the social media organizations and then see if we can start federating and beyond.
There's things better than federation, better than the Fediverse, like Noster, N-O-S-T-E-R particularly.
We'll talk more about that as it becomes topical.
serge du preez
And I am Serge.com.
Liked Twitter so far.
We've only been on it for like a day.
It's been interesting.
It's also been a lot of bad stuff too.
tim pool
And my friends, we also have a new shirt!
That's right, we too sell shirts.
Head over to TimCast.com, click Store, and you can get our new design, Stand Your Ground, in honor of Roberto Jr., the noble rooster.
So we have shirts with the image of the, it's Roberto Jr., and he's going like, and it says, Stand Your Ground.
And we actually have flags and stickers and posters.
This one is a poster, 24 by 36, and it is a rooster raising his wings and, you know, he's standing his ground.
The reason why we chose this is that roosters will sacrifice their lives to save their hens.
They will charge full speed at a predator they know will kill them if it grants the
hens even a few more moments to try and survive.
Be like the noble rooster.
Stand tall and be willing to sacrifice for the greater good and the ones you care about.
I had the idea because we were, you know, I was reading about the Gadsden flag.
Don't tread on me, the snake will bite you.
And then I was like, but what about the noble rooster?
The noble rooster who would die to save those he cares about.
I mean, that's powerful stuff right there.
And then I honestly, I just really wanted the flag.
So I got a flag made and we're going to have it.
And I think it's really cool.
Go to TimCast.com, check the store if you want to pick that one up.
Let's jump to the first story from the San Francisco Chronicle.
What we know about David DePape, man accused of attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer.
First and foremost, the story is he broke into the house, I believe it was in the wee hours of the morning, screaming, where's Nancy?
That's what they've reported.
And then mercilessly beat Paul Pelosi with a hammer.
I mean, it's deranged and unhinged.
But many people are trying to figure out what the motivations of this man was.
Of course, immediately, people on the right were saying, sounds like crime.
It's San Francisco.
Why would we assume otherwise?
I think that's logical.
Many on the left said, clearly, it's Republicans, it's MAGA, this is what they want for you.
Well, they were wrong.
It turns out, he listed himself as a member of the Green Party.
Voting records show DiPape listed himself as a member of the Green Party years ago.
So this is not somebody who just had it on his profile, it's not the media just claiming it, it's actually in his records.
Green Party.
Yo, Green Party is leftist.
Now, it's not like Antifa, it's not like Democrats or anything.
It's like its own, you know, sect of leftists, but that's what it is.
It was an unhinged leftist conspiracy theorist.
When I talk to people on the left, and I say that the left has their share of conspiracy weirdos, they always tell me that's not true.
And then you point out the weird hippie crystals, natural health, anti-government, anti-war stuff, and they say, oh, but that's not really left-wing.
And I'm just like, shut up, dude.
Bro, the guy was a leftist.
I'm not saying that's why he did it.
He was an anti-government conspiracy theorist.
This doesn't have to be about politics.
luke rudkowski
It can be about a crazy guy, but... Being for natural health isn't a conspiracy theory, but anyway... I'm not saying that!
tim pool
I'm saying there are conspiracy theorists who have, like, a conspiracy view of natural health stuff.
luke rudkowski
It's kind of sad how, you know, something tragic happens, something really bad happens, someone gets seriously hurt, and the first thing that happens is everyone jumps online trying to blame it on some other political opponent for their own political purposes.
I think it's fair to say this guy was crazy.
He was unhinged.
He was absolutely a lunatic.
And it's horrible.
It sucks what happened here.
And of course, it should be always said that this should never happen.
gavin wax
And not out of place in San Francisco, which has a massive mental health crisis.
You have people like this, this Green Party guy all over the streets.
So, I mean, it goes without saying that it's probably just a matter of the crime, the homelessness.
I think he had a house.
He lived with roommates or something.
tim pool
Dude had a pride.
There's a pride flag, an American flag, pride flag in front of the house, apparently.
luke rudkowski
Well, he was living in Berkeley as part of a nudist organization and group, too.
tim pool
A public safety investigative reporter for NBC Bay Area posted this image of this house, and there's a pride flag.
That is not a right-wing dude.
Now, look, I agree with you, Luke, and I also think there's an inherent problem with how we try to fairly represent this.
When it was only known That he posted election conspiracy theories.
They were all saying, oh, it's MAGA, it's Trump supporters, this proves it.
They immediately latched on and went for the political attack.
Then we find out it's a Green Party guy with a pride flag and we go, guys, guys, calm down, we shouldn't make this political, right?
That's a huge problem.
I'm not saying I know a solution.
luke rudkowski
I say we should ban nudists and put them into camps.
Clearly, the nudists are surely responsible for all of this, and they were working for this all along, especially with their secret society and organization that they have set up in San Francisco, where they have been clearly popping up out of nowhere, randomly, all the time, I'm telling you.
tim pool
What if, I want you to bear with me, and I want you to imagine a perfect world for a moment, Tomorrow, Nancy Pelosi holds a press conference, and she says, I cannot believe what happened to my husband!
unidentified
If he had a Magnum 357, this wouldn't have happened!
tim pool
I am now in favor of the Second Amendment!
ian crossland
That was my second thought.
The first thought was, well, how injured was he?
Hopefully he's okay, kind of thing.
And then the second thing was like, did he have a gun?
He didn't fire on this home intruder.
tim pool
We should have a gun in San Francisco, bro!
ian crossland
Yeah, so like, if he had had a gun and the guy broke in with a hammer to crack his skull, he probably would have fired on the guy, put him down, and then ended the invasion.
luke rudkowski
Ian, Ian, that again is a radical idea that makes no sense at all.
Clearly what we have to do here is ban hammers.
Hammers are the problem.
There's too many of them.
And nudity.
Anyone could just get them without any background checks.
Anyone could just transfer a hammer to another person.
Clearly, right now, the government has to intervene.
Go to Home Depot immediately.
Shut down the hammers.
tim pool
No, no, no.
No one is actually saying ban hammers.
We just want common sense hammer control.
gavin wax
No military-grade hammer handles.
We don't want any scary hammer heads.
luke rudkowski
No black hammers.
gavin wax
No black hammers at all.
It needs to have an orange tip.
luke rudkowski
No bump stock.
No bump stock hammers.
tim pool
It's time to start making the memes, whatever.
It's time to start making the memes.
We need to start making memes of bump stock hammers, pistol grip hammers, pump action hammers.
Just have at it, friends.
unidentified
AR-15 with a hammer attachment.
tim pool
Hammer foregrip.
luke rudkowski
But you brought up a great point, Ian.
Absolutely, people should be armed, especially if they're elderly, especially if they're living in a crime-ridden place like San Francisco, especially if they're Popular and everyone knows where they live.
This is not the first time that the Pelosi's have had their house targeted.
Everyone should have the right to defend themselves.
And whether you're a woman or someone who's elderly or someone who's who's weak or fragile, whatever it may be, what is the great equalizer?
Is you having the ability to be able to defend yourself in a firearm?
Does that more and better than anything else out there?
gavin wax
I also want to know what what Prescriptions he was on what pills because this is really what it comes down to it's a mental health crisis We got a lot of people on these these heavy antidepressants and it sends them off the deep end And yeah, maybe he was just a nice hippie peaceful Berkeley guy, you know Just living out his best life in the nude and then he snapped.
That's the real story.
tim pool
Maybe he ate Taco Bell And then it just went like And some raw milk.
luke rudkowski
Maybe the Taco Bell had a bunch of SSRIs in it that someone just laced in there accidentally when they were working for the company and then you know that brain chemistry just got all out of whack and then bada bing bada boom.
tim pool
Now this is not a natural health conspiracy but I do think if you eat nothing but fast food your brain is probably going to be messed up in a certain way.
What I mean is, simply put, you're probably missing some nutrients if you're only eating a lot of this garbage.
Like, that Super Size Me guy, he said the reason he wanted to eat McDonald's for 30 days was because if they serve breakfast, lunch, and dinner, they clearly want you to be eating it.
Their response was like, we don't expect someone to eat nothing but McDonald's, but it's like, dude, if you're selling food, People are going to eat your food.
gavin wax
That should be the regulatory standard.
It's like, if you only eat your food for X period of time, what are the impacts?
It shouldn't just be the one-off time you eat it.
It should be a set period of time over a month, whatever it is.
ian crossland
Yeah, otherwise you shouldn't have a prescription.
gavin wax
Right.
ian crossland
If you're not able to have it, well, I guess, what do they say with alcohol?
Just use it at your discretion?
gavin wax
Well, that's how prescriptions are regulated.
How does it impact you over the entire time of the prescription?
It should be the same if you're for food, a month, two months, whatever it is.
tim pool
So here's what's funny.
They say in the San Francisco Chronicle that the dude had a blog with screeds about the ruling class, right-wing conspiracy theories, and racial slurs.
Yo, the populist stuff is left and right.
That's the thing.
Like, he was Green Party.
It was funny, I saw someone post, I can't remember who posted it, they said that like the Venn diagram of a Trump supporter and a nudist Berkeley hippie is not a circle.
And I'm like, it probably overlaps to be completely like for real.
A bunch of anti-war leftists became Trump supporters.
gavin wax
Well, eight million Obama voters, nine, voted for Trump.
I mean, there was a huge Bernie contingent after the primary.
I mean, this is a real phenomenon, and like you said, it's a populism that crosses partisan lines, and it really just speaks to the anti-establishment nature of a lot of these guys.
He's clearly anti-establishment if you're going to try to assign any kind of overarching political ideology to him, but beyond that, I mean, where this guy falls on a right-left spectrum, who knows?
tim pool
They mentioned you posted Q stuff too.
And that's why I'm like, the dude's clearly just crazy.
But if you want to play games, you know, in the media, well, he was a Green Party.
unidentified
There you go.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think when you talk about ruling class, it's really an economic issue.
And that can be left or right.
Or up or down, I suppose.
gavin wax
Well, it's really not, yeah, it's not that linear spectrum.
It's that square, you know, the libertarians always like to use with the authoritarian, non-authoritarian, economic, statism, you know, laissez-faire.
So, if you put it on that, it makes a little more sense, but... He was a hemp jewelry maker.
luke rudkowski
Like, I just... No wonder he went off.
ian crossland
He's probably blown his mind out on psychoactives, is my guess.
tim pool
Where's Nancy?
So, Daily Mail says he had a hit list of other politicians.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, I'm glad he's behind bars.
What's his status right now?
luke rudkowski
He's facing attempted murder charges right now.
gavin wax
Was he going to be let off?
He's Canadian.
Oh, there you go.
unidentified
Also, apparently anti-Semitic as well.
tim pool
I think he's just crazy.
And, you know, it's funny that what's going to happen now based on the Q stuff and the election stuff is the left is going to say he's a right winger.
And then when you point out he's a Green Party, they're going to be like, no, that doesn't matter because he did this.
You know what I mean?
gavin wax
What annoys me about this is that you go to the city and you have attacks like this on the subway weekly, monthly, constantly.
Asian Americans, Jewish Americans, whoever it is, they get attacked by lunatics like this.
And those guys are out, you know, within a week from bail reform or whatever.
And then obviously it finally hits home to the elites.
And I'm not trying to downplay it.
luke rudkowski
It's obviously horrible what happened to her husband, but it just goes to show that, you know, it's only becoming an issue and there's only going to be some serious There was a guy in New York City that was caught on a viral video putting an axe in front of a woman's face after smashing up a McDonald's, threatening to essentially kill her with it.
He got out the next day!
gavin wax
And he was on New York One, he was doing interviews, he was on the media circuit, and he was like, oh, listen, it was hot, I had a rough day, and it was like, this could have been this guy.
luke rudkowski
And then a couple days later, he got arrested again!
From stealing a bike and running away after doing graffiti.
And again, this guy, of course, is going to have a very stiff sentence.
This guy is, of course, going to be kept in jail.
Other people who commit other crimes, other crazy people, on regular Joe Smoes, they just get let go every single day because of the George Soros-appointed district attorneys all throughout the United States that have been causing havoc everywhere.
And when I was talking about banning hammers and blunt objects, we got to understand, many years, according to the FBI statistics, more people have died from hammers than rifles.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to walk around Chicago with a baseball bat.
Well, it depends.
luke rudkowski
If you're coming from a baseball field, it depends on how you're brandishing it, right?
tim pool
My understanding, at least this is what the cops told us, they were like, if we see you with a baseball bat, we can arrest you for possession of a weapon.
But typically, if you have a baseball bat and a baseball together, they could, but you probably won't get in trouble.
But that's how broken things are.
So in Illinois, I'm pretty sure like the only weapon, or in Chicago, the only weapon you can have, it used to be this way pre the, what was the decision in DC?
Was it Heller?
Was it Heller?
I don't know.
Does someone want to look it up?
The handgun decision in 2008?
Yeah, it was Heller versus... You could only have a two foot long rubber switch for whacking somebody.
Wow.
Yeah, and all the criminals had guns.
So, you know, we know how that worked out.
gavin wax
It's just asymmetrical warfare, you know, law-abiding citizens, you know, you're off on your own with that rubber thing you just mentioned, and good luck bringing it to a gunfight.
tim pool
Dude, I don't know if you guys saw this video out of New York, where there's a guy in a hood on the subway, and then another guy is just walking, money isn't his business, first guy just runs full speed, and then, boom, body slams him right onto the tracks, and then runs for it.
ian crossland
What happened to that guy that got knocked on the tracks?
tim pool
I don't know about that guy.
I know that several people have been killed.
ian crossland
What would you do if you saw that happen in front of you?
Jump down on the tracks, grab the guy, and get him up onto the platform?
unidentified
You'd try, I guess, but you want to make sure he's not touching the third rail.
tim pool
And you can't touch him, you'll get locked in.
gavin wax
Or blown back.
Every time there's a delay like that, I mean, you know what happened.
You may not be at that stop, you may be a while away, but it's a commute.
Either someone did it themselves, it's a suicide, or one of these instances.
ian crossland
When I lived in New York, I used to think like, okay, I don't need to work out all the time.
I wasn't obsessed with being strong, but I was like, I need to be strong enough so that if someone falls on the track, I can jump down and get them up out of the track.
gavin wax
I consciously think about where my head would land if I was just pushed, if I would make it to the track, and I just try to give myself And I'm sure MTA will say, don't go down there.
It's too dangerous.
Don't put yourself at risk if someone falls on the track.
But that goes through my head.
ian crossland
And I'm sure MTA will say, don't go down there, it's too dangerous, don't put yourself at
risk if someone falls on the track.
But that goes through my head, I'm like, God, I hope that guy's okay.
tim pool
Is it, Luke, was it Japan or Singapore where they have glass blocking?
serge du preez
It's Singapore.
There was in high school when they installed those and it's like basically just doors that are exactly like the train doors.
They open and then they allow you to go through the door and then to the airport.
There's a separate glass line just for that.
tim pool
Japan does that too.
luke rudkowski
Japan does that as well, and then if you kill yourself in Japan, there's particular lines and particular access roads where there's bigger fines for the family members of the individual that killed themselves than other roadways that aren't as popular.
So your family gets fined in Japan if you kill yourself.
tim pool
That is interesting.
They have seppuku, right, which is like a historical, a traditional thing of like an honor suicide or whatever.
And so it's interesting that there is an element of some kind of high suicide in Japan.
I wonder if that's just like a cultural thing persisted so people are more willing to do it.
I don't know.
gavin wax
Culture, long working hours, you know, I feel it's a litany of things.
luke rudkowski
No families, no babies.
They sell more adult diapers than baby diapers.
tim pool
Well, that's coming to a country near It's not coming.
luke rudkowski
It's here.
It's already here.
tim pool
We went to a theme park and this was the Halloween party at the theme park.
It was dead.
There was no one there.
gavin wax
Well, this is why Disney is shifting to like nostalgia porn for like 30, 40 year olds because they don't have that child family market anymore.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
I predicted this.
Oh yeah.
recently that the phenomenon of Abe Simpson saying, you know, when I was young I was with
it then they changed what it was and now what it is is scary to me and it'll happen to you
too.
That's not going to happen to us.
Yeah.
And the reason is the millennial generation is probably going to be the biggest generation
drop off.
That's it.
We're at the top of the hill.
And Gen Z may be a little bit bigger, so maybe it's Gen Z, but afterwards it's going to get lower and smaller and the population's already contracting.
That's a fact.
Outside of any pandemics, war, World War III or otherwise, the future generations are smaller and smaller.
So what's going to happen is, Disney is shifting its nostalgia marketing for one simple reason.
They're like, we got 30 million potential millennials to sell to, or 10 million kids.
Sell to the older millennials.
There's more of them.
There's more money.
If 10 million little kids get brought a dollar, what are we going to get?
If the millennials come, they'll bring their kids, we'll get even more money, target the nostalgia.
So that means they're going to keep trying to pander to the millennial, probably like a range of millennial to Gen X with mostly millennial in the middle.
That's who they're going to be targeting.
gavin wax
I don't think people realize when you hit these TFR, total fertility rates, like 1.2, 1.3, I mean, the drop-off is significant.
And Japan is just going to be suffering, like, you know, population decline in the millions for the next few decades.
Well, they already are.
unidentified
Already are.
luke rudkowski
Same with China.
gavin wax
China as well.
luke rudkowski
Same with a majority of Europe.
gavin wax
Correct.
All of Eastern Europe, Western Europe.
tim pool
So, we went to this haunted house thing.
There was booze, and there was food, and there was rides, and it was a little older crowd.
It was packed.
We go to the theme park, mostly for kids.
I mean, like, there was a zip line there that I sat on, and then I was hitting the ground, because, like, I'm just, I'm a man, you know?
But I was well under the weight limit.
Well under.
And it's like, it was like a family thing, and so we went there, and it was mostly kids, but there was, like, 30 in the whole place.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
So we're, I was just, I was like, yo, where is everybody?
People don't have kids?
Where are the kids?
I don't know.
ian crossland
Did it cost money to get in?
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Maybe they were broke?
tim pool
Well, you get a charge card to do anything in the park and then spend money.
ian crossland
Was it like 30 bucks to get in or something?
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
No, no, you get a card.
And if you want to do anything, you have to tap the card.
So if you wanted to play mini golf, you tap it.
If you want to go on a ride.
ian crossland
So it's free to get in and then it's like pay per ride?
tim pool
But you can't do anything unless you get a card.
gavin wax
It's just the signs of a dying society, and then you have the other side of it is that the millennials, these young adults, they're just becoming infantilized because they're not progressing to the next stage of their life, you know, with a family or even, you know, other things, a business, etc., economic reasons.
tim pool
Intentionally.
gavin wax
Intentionally.
I mean, look, it's great.
You have a smaller population to control.
It's a lot easier than a population growing that has to worry about its posterity.
I mean, you got these leaders in Europe like Merkel, you know, she's not there anymore, but none of them had children.
So what do they care?
What do they care about the future of their nation state, whether it's Germany or France, whatever it is.
luke rudkowski
Kamala doesn't have any children as well.
ian crossland
Does Justin Trudeau have any kids?
serge du preez
I don't know.
gavin wax
Probably cousins in Cuba.
ian crossland
So I wonder if it's these devices.
This is what Dr. Phil was saying.
Oh yeah, he has three kids, apparently.
Dr. Phil was like, it's the first generation of people raised on these devices.
Since 2007, it's this.
And then you've got the fentanyl that the Chinese are putting into the Mexican cartels that are being shipped up to destroy our culture that way.
I don't know if that's the intention, but that's what's happening.
luke rudkowski
It's like the opium wars.
tim pool
Did you guys see the viral video where it's like this TikTok, young teenage girl, Gen Z girl, being like, my mom won't give up her CDs.
And she's filming and she's like, this is my family's CD collection.
And my mom won't get rid of them.
And then her mom is standing there and she goes, I am not getting rid of them.
I got rid of my albums, then they came back.
I want my CDs.
And she goes, mom, I can play any one of these songs faster on my phone.
And she goes, no, it's because I don't remember these bands.
She's like, I like Oingo Boingo.
I wouldn't even remember that they were around unless I looked at the CD.
But what's fascinating in that interaction is the young kid but raised on the phone is like but i can just play go
and it's like you are too young i suppose to understand that you know you
i'm sorry youth isn't the isn't the river the reason for it
you are lacking in context and information
there were people who gave up their vinyl collections thinking like vinyls
going out the window Vinyl never died.
Now all of a sudden they're worth tremendous amounts of money.
You go to these resale shops, antique shops, and it's like the prices are going up and up and up.
So yeah, this woman's like, I'm not giving up these CDs.
There's going to be a nostalgia factor.
People are going to want to pop those CDs in.
But she makes another really good point.
Yo, when I put on music on Pandora and Spotify, I don't even know half the bands that are playing.
I don't grab my phone and then type in music.
gavin wax
Like we don't know phone numbers anymore.
tim pool
Right, we don't know phone numbers anymore.
But the main point is, the commentary I saw on this is, you will own nothing and you will be happy.
This little kid is like, just rent the idea of music from the machine mom, what's the problem?
And the mom's like, I want my music that I own.
gavin wax
Tangible.
ian crossland
I like that you phrased it that it was really the problem was the ignorance of the kid.
It was the ignorance of the human that didn't realize the benefit of vinyl.
Because it's not Gen Z that's the problem, it's the ignorance.
And a lot of times kids are ignorant just because they're kids and they don't have the world experience yet.
Some kids actually aren't ignorant because they have fantastic parents.
tim pool
And some old people are extremely ignorant!
So it's not you, that's the issue.
gavin wax
But has any generation in human history gone through so much technological, societal, cultural change in such a short period of time?
I mean, these are things that typically have happened over centuries, millennia.
I mean, if you look at a regular Joe Schmoe from 1820, is he that much different from 1720, 1620, 1520?
I mean, yeah, there's things on the margins, but the change from, say, post-World War II to today, is on a scale that we've never seen before, and I feel like it's almost evolutionary at this point, and I think it's leading to a lot of the psychological issues we're seeing, a lot of the mental health crisis.
I mean, people can't cope with this change.
They're just not, it's not ingrained in them.
ian crossland
Yeah, you would think that with access to the world's information, you'd be able to solve every problem, and that every problem would be solved as a result, but just because we can does, obviously, the test is shown, doesn't mean that we will.
Correct.
Yeah, I think this has been the most rapid advancement in the human consciousness ever in the history of And it's all novel, we don't know, like we make fun of the
gavin wax
Millennials, the Zoomers, whatever they are, but there's really nothing to look back
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on.
gavin wax
There's no historical point of reference.
tim pool
I hope what really happened is that like aliens showed up at Roswell and then it was an accident
and they're like, ah crap, meet with the government and they're like, here's what we're going
to do, we're going to give you rapid communications technology to bring your people up to speed
and they're like, all right.
And now the aliens are sitting back laughing as if they gave chickens like ultra weapons
and they're just watching us be really dumb with it.
They're like, they're going to wipe themselves out with this data impropriety, you know,
what they're doing.
People don't understand the...
The algorithmic manipulation.
I don't know if it was Elon Musk that said this.
I think it was.
He said the current thing may actually be chosen by an algorithm.
So there are people who are on the trends on Twitter being like, I like mustard ice cream!
And it's like a robot just decided to promote that one day and now you're marching in lockstep with it.
gavin wax
The algorithm is the new holy spirit of our world.
It's just touching things in different ways.
What you were saying before about, you know, how they're, you know, people aren't processing, you know, all these new innovations, etc.
I mean, it's the same way of looking at it as, you know, it's like you get a new toy and it's just like, you know, a new gadget, a new car, and you're just obsessed with it.
You're just diving into it headfirst.
And that just becomes part of you.
That's your whole existence now.
And I feel like we're seeing that on a generational scale.
It's just this obsession, this tech focus.
But everything that we've designed, whether it's all this access to knowledge, we're not becoming smarter, we're not solving problems, all this access to social networks, communication, we're becoming more and more disconnected, more atomized.
It's all having this counter effect.
tim pool
I think one of the issues that we're facing clearly is that there's just too many people and we're not guiding reproduction wisely.
So maybe the first thing we need to do is maybe like a great reset down to like 500 million people.
ian crossland
I don't know if that's the right marketing term.
tim pool
Then we'll guide population reproduction.
What did the Guidestones say, Luke?
I tried to do that.
I could do it without...
No, no, the Guidestones said guide reproduction wisely or something.
So that's the idea.
gavin wax
The idea...
They know better.
ian crossland
Everyone knows better except us.
Well, the algorithm is producing reproduction digitally.
I like that you phrased that, that it's like the Holy Spirit.
The algorithm is our current...
Is that what you said?
Because imagine if someone owned God, and they were able to control it, and they knew what it was doing, but no one else knew what it was doing.
luke rudkowski
And make everyone think and see one particular thing when they want them to see it.
You guys don't trust us.
And ban particular ideas against that particular thing that they want you to believe.
gavin wax
Social engineering.
luke rudkowski
That's God-like power.
tim pool
You know it'd be crazy.
You know how they've been trying to do this augmented reality thing for a long time?
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tim pool
Like Google Glass was like a rudimentary version where you'd look up to the right and there's a little screen there.
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Right.
tim pool
Now they've got the MetaPro Quest or whatever.
Which is bombing.
And like the idea is they're like goggles and you'll see the real world but it'll augment it.
Imagine in the future, they tell everybody, you know, you can see through these glasses, you'll see everything like normal, and then you'll also see the augmented reality stuff.
But the augmented reality stuff is very easily discernible from real life, right?
The graphics aren't as good.
gavin wax
Until it's not.
tim pool
And then one day, everybody sees the same thing across the sky, an explosion.
And they don't realize it's actually a trick in the augmented reality.
You see what I'm saying?
gavin wax
Or they don't want to take it off because they take the glasses off and everyone's fat, ugly, and miserable.
So they put it back on and everyone looks beautiful.
tim pool
Well, what I'm saying is fake events happen where everyone thinks, with my AR goggles, I choose what AR I see.
So I'll load up my menu and I'll go like this, like this, okay, uh, Facebook, and then, you know, Twitter, and then tweet, da-da-da-da-da, send.
And then all of a sudden, kaboom!
Explosion in the sky.
And they think It's reality.
But it's actually augmented reality.
But everyone sees the same thing, reports seeing it, and then everyone assumes it really happened when it didn't.
ian crossland
Yeah, I've been noticing a trend on Twitter the last couple weeks where at the top you get that for you big thing and it says video about fill in the blank was doctored, experts say.
This video, recent video about White House correspondent was doctored.
Video was doctored.
Video was changed.
So like, this is like in the last two weeks, I've noticed this probably like four times or five, maybe four times, that they're, I mean, the age of deepfake is upon us.
Whether or not that's going to be AR or just actual video that we watch on TV, we don't even know.
gavin wax
Or they'll accuse real things of being deepfakes.
tim pool
So there was a story in the press that Ron DeSantis met with Clarence Thomas the day before the Dobbs decision came down, ending Roe v. Wade.
The real story was that a year and a day before, the media runs this story without fact-checking it.
And now the guy who wrote a secondary, it was a secondary source reporting, so emails get released by a non-profit.
Raw Story writes a story.
Independent copies Raw Story.
Independent then realize, oops, we got it wrong.
Guy says, I'm so embarrassed to take it down.
But think about this.
The defamation of lying about somebody in an election is the cost of doing business for these people.
If you can win a governorship for four years, is it not worth the $50 million defamation lawsuit?
Man, these races cost more than that!
We're getting to the point where Fetterman's campaign's been just making things up.
Imagine how dark it's going to get.
When I was on Rogan's show, this was like a year ago, he asked me how I felt about deepfakes, and I said, I'm not, I don't think it's gonna get that crazy.
I think it won't be, nah, nah, and now I'm like, I was way wrong.
They're going to make a deepfake, and it's gonna be a grainy video of Ron DeSantis with supporters to make it look like it's a cell phone so it's easily faked, and he's gonna say something not ridiculous, just kind of bad.
The real effective stuff is not going to be, Ron DeSantis coming out and screaming the n-word, it's gonna be him saying something like, look, when it comes to COVID, there's only so much you can do.
So yeah, are people gonna die?
A lot of people are gonna die.
I can't be bothered with it all the time.
Something like that, where it's like, believable.
gavin wax
And there's going to be a Wild West period as this tech rapidly develops that there's no legal precedent for the defamation, like you're saying.
So how are they going to treat these deepfakes?
What are the repercussions going to be?
And it's going to be an insane period of time before the law catches up, if the law and the regulatory system ever catches up.
It may never, yeah.
tim pool
You can't.
These things are going to appear in court.
And then, not only that.
A real video will appear in court.
And someone will be like, I filmed this guy punching a dog.
And he'll say, deepfake.
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I won't believe it.
tim pool
And then, dude, it's this simple.
gavin wax
A grand deepfake defense.
tim pool
Call a lawyer.
You get your lawyer.
Your lawyer finds an expert.
And they say, your lawyer calls 10 experts.
Here's the video.
Is it a deepfake?
Nope, that's real.
Okay.
Expert number two.
Is it deepfake?
No, it's real.
Number three?
No.
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Four?
tim pool
Five?
Finally, expert number ten?
It looks like a deepfake to me.
Excellent.
You're hired.
Would you like to appear at this trial?
Then he shows up and says to the jury, I am a video expert.
I've been working for 20 years.
I watched the video.
It does not seem genuine.
Now this dude who actually committed a crime could maybe even get off just because the technology exists.
ian crossland
So when we have experts in court, are we, should we have to say how many experts were interviewed and then how many experts were chosen?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Of the 12 experts, the one that we chose says this, the other 9 or 11 said this.
tim pool
That's not how it works.
ian crossland
I think we need more transparency in our legal system, especially with software code and apparently with experts, end quote, if we're going to be putting people on the stand.
tim pool
But Ian, what if, what if, okay, let's try, how about another scenario?
A crazy extremist makes a deepfake of you punching a dog.
You get arrested.
You go to an expert and he goes, you're Ian Crossland?
From Tim Kitts?
I don't want to be involved.
It's real.
It's real.
And they go through nine experts who all say the same thing like, dude, I don't want to be targeted.
It's a real video.
And then finally they get one guy who goes, I don't care what show you're on, Ian.
I watched the video.
I did the analysis.
It's fake.
And then you go to trial and they say, but let's pull up the nine other experts, and they all go, oh, it's a real video, please, please don't burn my house down, it's a real video.
gavin wax
What's sad about all this is we could talk about, you know, the theoretical implications of these deepfake technology, but, you know, you have this media class that will publish defamatory hit pieces without even using deepfakes.
They'll just claim you said something, you believe something, you are something, white supremacist, racist, Nazi, whatever, and they don't need a deepfake.
They'll just print it, put in the headline, and that's what you are, you're branded, and there's no recourse, which goes back to You know, the state of our defamation laws, and it's only going to get worse with the deepfake.
It's only going to get worse, but it's pretty bad right now, and we have no solution.
ian crossland
Cultural reinforcement, man.
I think about, like, I feel like the only solution is to get people to come together to believe in the things I believe in, in order to survive this crazy ride.
gavin wax
There's no national consensus ever coming back anytime soon.
ian crossland
And, you know, I don't know.
How do you do it without manipulating people?
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
Let's get to Elon Musk here.
So from TimCast.com, Twitter accounts will not be reinstated until new content moderation council convenes, says Elon Musk.
He says Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with widely diverse viewpoints.
No major content decisions or account reinstatements will happen before that council convenes.
Let me just break this down for all you guys.
First, it is a victory, a tremendous victory that Elon Musk has purchased Twitter.
I'm glad to see that something good is happening.
But Elon, like us, is making a mistake.
Earlier on in the show, in a previous segment for those that are just tuning in, we mentioned that the person who attacked Paul Pelosi at the Pelosi House was a leftist.
We also went on to mention that he does have a bunch of weird conspiracies, is a nudist, and is probably just a crazy person.
Meanwhile, leftists are trying to claim he's a MAGA guy because he denied the election and posted Q stuff.
At any moment, in every moment, the left will outright just be like, it's MAGA.
Marjorie Taylor Greene said, we won't forget the companies that stopped donating because of 2020.
And a prominent Twitter leftist said, this is a direct threat and it's why Pelosi got attacked, blah, blah, blah.
They go to the extreme end.
Elon Musk is telling us right now, he's going to invite them.
To sit down and discuss how to handle censorship.
You see, before Elon bought Twitter, he said, the appropriate solution should be where there's a compromise and everyone's a little unhappy.
But he doesn't realize.
The conservatives, the independents, the libertarians, post-liberals have already compromised, saying outright, we accept the left will say naughty words.
We just want to be able to express our opinions.
The left then says, we want you banned and we can do whatever we want.
There's no compromise there because you've got one side that already compromised and the left saying to everything or nothing.
If Elon Musk is going to form a moderation council and invite the woke left in to go, but my feelings are hurt when he said I was ugly, then he's going to go, Alright, well let's give the left a little bit of what they want.
The only problem?
That is literally what Vijaya Gadde and Jack Dorsey did.
Jack Dorsey and Vijaya were basically running Twitter like, okay, conservatives don't care that leftists are on the platform.
They won't leave.
So we don't have to do anything for them.
They're content.
But the left will leave unless we ban some conservatives.
Here's the compromise.
We don't ban all of the conservatives.
Only a few to make the left think we're doing something, and then the right won't leave because we're not banning everybody.
That's the problem.
This will not work.
It's a bad move, and Elon needs to go in now, independently of his own volition, and release the political prisoners, and he needs to accept he is responsible for this, and there's no diverse viewpoint that's going to solve the problem.
gavin wax
Amen.
And I hope this is just fluff to cover, you know, his tracks from a PR perspective for any next moves.
But he has to come out guns blazing, you know, open up the prison cells, release everybody, and just overwhelm the left with all the reforms and changes he's going to make.
Because if he starts doing it piecemeal, they're going to just attack it piecemeal, and they're going to divide and conquer.
And it's going to be this messy, drawn-out situation with this ridiculous, fluffy-sounding council, which honestly sounds no different than things they've done in the past.
tim pool
It's exactly what they already were doing.
ian crossland
Yeah, if you're going to build a council, don't build a council of people to decide who gets banned and who gets unbanned.
Get a council of people to decide how to build a system so that the bannings and unbannings can happen judiciously.
gavin wax
Right.
Nothing good comes out of committee.
tim pool
Tell us about Mines.
ian crossland
The Mines jury system is legitimate.
I think this is the way to go.
So what happens is if you're on Mines and your stuff gets flagged, someone in the administrative team will be like, okay, that They got flagged, they got banned.
And then if you don't agree, you appeal it.
It goes to people that have opted in on Mines to the jury system, like up to 12 or more random people.
Get the content.
It says, does this violate the terms of service?
Then they have an opportunity to swipe right or swipe left, if they're on their phone or whatever, or say yes or no, if it violates it or if it doesn't.
So if enough people say, yeah, it violates it, you're still banned.
You can appeal it maybe twice.
You can three times.
If you say, no, it doesn't violate it, you get a majority of people, then it's unbanned.
And then if it gets flagged again, it goes back through the process.
Now, if a jury member is saying it doesn't violate the terms, but it does, and they keep repeatedly doing that on things that keep coming up and they keep getting it wrong, they eventually lose their ability to be on the jury.
tim pool
That shouldn't happen.
ian crossland
I disagree, because I think people will abuse it.
What they'll do is they'll vote how they want it.
I want it to be on the site.
But that's not what I'm asking.
I'm asking if it violates the terms.
tim pool
Jury nullification is exactly, I think this shouldn't be illegal and I won't convict someone for it.
Well, something needs to exist.
And hold on.
The reason why I think that's a bad move, a bad element of it, is that let's say the platform becomes dominated by really awful people who want to see free speech banned.
Wikipedia.
Exactly.
And a handful of people are saying, this didn't break the rules.
Why are you saying it did?
And then all of a sudden, Mines comes out and says, look, the majority has repeatedly said you're wrong, so we're removing you.
Well, then what would happen?
ian crossland
I think what would happen is an admin at Mines would review if, like, a bunch of people are saying it's not violating, it's not but it is, and then you're like, okay, who are all these accounts that keep saying it's not violating?
Why do they keep saying it's not when it is?
tim pool
You have to review them both.
Why are they saying it's violating when it doesn't?
gavin wax
It sounds good on paper, but this is how Wikipedia devolved, and you have this organized, ideologically driven minority, maybe, on that platform that decides the edits, that approves the edits, that controls the entire editing hierarchy.
It will be taken over Fabian style.
ian crossland
But the argument is because it's a random selection of jurors every time, there's no cabal.
tim pool
Right, but you can't punish a juror for giving their honest thoughts.
ian crossland
You can down rank their ability if they're not accurate.
tim pool
No, absolutely not.
ian crossland
I think so.
gavin wax
It's a private company, make it a dictatorship.
tim pool
Imagine if we said in public, in a legitimate criminal trial, you're like, this guy is not guilty.
And they're like, well, Everyone else said he was.
You must be wrong.
We're not going to let you be on a jury trial anymore.
That is insane.
You have a civic duty and a right!
ian crossland
If it's illegal, it's off the site.
I mean, if it's an illegal thing and someone's saying it's legal, then I don't think they should be a juror.
tim pool
I understand that, but that means you have to review every single person, whether they said it was good or bad.
ian crossland
Or you can algorithmically calculate people that are inaccurate, and then just over time downrank the viability.
gavin wax
It's the Holy Spirit again, it's the algorithm.
ian crossland
But the algorithm would be public.
It would be like a free software algorithm that you can go on GitHub and look at.
luke rudkowski
So the facts matter here when it comes to this particular case, and there's a lot of other things happening behind the scenes.
There's a lot of things happening with a coordinated media push right now to try to get advertisers off of Twitter.
But Elon Musk just 20 minutes ago tweeted that there have been no changes to the Twitter content moderation policies.
He also tweeted today that, quote, comedy is now legal on Twitter.
Michaela Peterson responded to him and asked, hey, can you get my father back on the platform?
And he said specifically, quote, anyone suspended for minor and dubious reasons will be freed from Twitter jail.
That's a direct comment from Elon Musk on his official Twitter account.
Now, let's factor this in.
A lot of people have been banned on Twitter.
A crap ton of them.
Would you want to be the one solely responsible, looking at that list, saying, OK, OK, OK, no, this guy did something bad here, going through all the history?
I wouldn't want that responsibility.
I wouldn't want that job.
This is why he's announcing some kind of council.
How will he handle it?
It's going to be interesting.
I just hope he's not being swayed by the Washington Post that, by the way, again, I talked about this yesterday.
Bill Gates literally is putting money into organizations to launch attacks on Twitter right now.
He has been doing this and has been planning this for months.
The Washington Post came out today and is telling people how to turn off their advertisements on their settings on Twitter so they could sabotage Twitter and of course the money that they get from advertisers.
GM just announced that they're temporary suspending ads on Twitter.
What will happen moving forwards?
Well, I'm still optimistic.
His tweets are saying he's going to make sure that he's going to undelete the censored people on social media, including people like Jordan Peterson.
I'm hopeful.
I think he's going to do it.
But I think it's going to take time.
gavin wax
He needs to hold the line.
He needs to realize it's going to be tough in the beginning, obviously, with the advertisers, the pressure campaigns, etc.
But they have nowhere else to go from an advertising perspective.
They're going to come back.
This was never going to be a financially lucrative deal, at least not for a long – for the
long run.
Twitter was never making money.
So the advertising is just sort of putting off some of the financial losses that the
company is suffering.
But at the end of the day, he needs to come out.
He needs to be bold.
He needs to unban these people immediately and if he dilly-dallies, if he dithers, they're
going to smell blood.
They're going to jump on it and they're going to come after him.
His reputation is on the line because he – this was a massive ordeal that he undertook and
I think I agree with everyone here.
It's going to be better no matter what on the margins.
But if he backs off and he doesn't fulfill it, I mean he's going to look like a total
I mean, he's a total fool.
He owns the company.
It's private.
He has full dictatorial powers, effectively, to set these standards.
He could, you know, devolve some power to some stupid council.
But at the end of the day, he should come out, set the standards, set the maxim from everything to follow.
And if they follow it, good.
And if they don't follow it, well, he has other problems.
luke rudkowski
Or at least, I hope you're wrong, but I kind of agree with you that he should at least do the basic ones.
Jordan Peterson, Project Veritas, Babylon B. I mean, just those basics alone are clear, obvious.
You don't need a committee and a commission to figure out that that was absolutely wrong for those people to be censored.
gavin wax
Right.
And the people down the hierarchy, you know, these minor accounts, these no-name people that were banned for a variety of reasons, that's going to be more complex.
It's probably going to take a lot of time and logistics.
Fine.
We all understand that.
But it takes all five minutes, like you said, to look at Jordan Peterson and say, OK, bring him back on.
tim pool
Elon crossed the Rubicon.
He declared war on the cathedral.
They've run in panic and he's taken Rome.
It is now his empire.
He needs to just accept what he's done and make the changes he wants to make.
I don't understand why he would not immediately reinstate the Babylon Bee.
Everyone knows he did this because of the Babylon Bee.
The Babylon Bee did literally nothing wrong.
He said comedy is allowed once again.
The first thing he could have done, and if I was Elon, I'd take my phone, I'd press record, I'd walk in the front doors of Twitter, I'd look at the camera and go, hey guys, hey, who works here?
Unban the Babylon Bee.
I'm filming.
Get it done now.
I'm counting.
gavin wax
I'm glad you made the Caesarian reference because Caesar came into Rome and was forgiving and, you know, gave everyone a second chance.
And then Brutus, you know, stabbed him in the back and the rest of the Senate.
So he cannot go into Rome and take this Caesarian approach that he's going to, you know, love his enemies and give everyone a second chance, all the optimates and the senators and the rest of the Twitterati elite.
He needs to come in with an iron fist.
Crack some skulls and just make it clear that this is the new law of the land and we're not backing down, and they will back off.
luke rudkowski
But at the same time, if he does something, he's going to have thousands of people come to him.
What about me?
What about me?
Can you do me?
And that's a lot of pressure from a lot of powerful people that were censored incorrectly within the last few years.
tim pool
And he's only one guy.
He needs 15 minutes in between, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
I think you come into Rome, you immediately lay out your new constitution and then give the power to the people to govern themselves.
gavin wax
We don't even need to go to Rome.
I agree.
tim pool
Protocol with jury system, constitutional values.
ian crossland
Unban anyone that didn't violate U.S.
law wherever the headquarters, San Francisco is the headquarters.
If it doesn't violate California state law, then unban right from the beginning.
Then you decide if you need to ban them for terms of service.
Also, all the terms of service are going to change now.
tim pool
Well, yeah, the misgendering policy's gotta go.
ian crossland
Not every word, but it's up to Elon.
He can be as creative as he wants with the terms of service.
tim pool
It's this simple.
ian crossland
Check out the Mines terms, Elon.
tim pool
Make it a protocol, give yourself access to the real estate, make the real estate sellable, the advertising real estate, as a commodity or asset on a public protocol, and then you effectively give yourself, you make it worth substantially more money, you remove moderation requirements from you and say, if someone, look, here's the way I describe it.
If Coca-Cola buys a billboard in Times Square and then I go stand in front of it holding up a sign with a picture of something really awful, is Coca-Cola going to call up their ad buyer and be like, or their ad seller and be like, well why is there a man standing in front of my sign saying naughty words?
They're going to be like, because he's standing on a public street.
Next question, why are you wasting my time?
We should not be looking at Twitter in this way.
If you want to advertise where the conversation is happening, you recognize people say things you don't like.
Period.
They make it a protocol, they make it interoperable with other platforms, they remove their ability to moderate anything and say law enforcement can handle it.
gavin wax
And also with the advertising, I mean, this was a dying platform.
This is mostly used by journalists, certain niches of society.
It's not this mass public platform like an Instagram or even a snap or even a TikTok.
It is a platform for, you know, different degrees of elites, essentially talking to
other elites and then a few people liking it.
The advertisers will come when he creates when he turns it back into a platform that
people want to be on.
People want to engage in have engaging people.
And it's not this controlled, manipulated, bought infested platform, which it is now,
which is and he bought it extremely overvalued.
So he turns it back to what it should be.
The advertisers will return and any political disagreements they have in the interim will
be, you know, things of the past.
luke rudkowski
I actually posted an old video of Elon Musk talking about Twitter.
I posted this on my shorts on my YouTube channel, which people could watch.
I definitely recommend you watch that because Elon Musk talked about his plans for Twitter.
He talked about how it's absolutely crazy that it took Twitter one year to work on something like an edit button.
He then went on and was like, you know, we should make this like WeChat.
And WeChat is something that's not really popular here in the United States, but in places like China, everyone depends on WeChat for virtually almost every aspect of their life and existence.
You do everything on WeChat, and this is the type of vision that he has.
That he might transform and change Twitter to X. And again, Twitter made some horrible, absolutely idiotic decisions when it came to their business.
They ruined Periscope.
They ruined Vine.
They had the TikTok before TikTok even existed.
TikTok right now is dominating all the social media platforms with so many users, with so much engagement, with so much just short-term gratification for a lot of individuals, whether it's good or bad, that's debatable.
But YouTube, And, excuse me, Twitter had that livestream ability, had that TikTok ability, and they just threw it in the trash.
gavin wax
They deprecated everything.
It's been a history of deprecating features, refusing to release features.
It's interesting that in the last year, with Twitter Blue, with the edit button, with a whole litany of other features, it's all come out of, you know, the woodworks.
Because up until then, it was just a series of, they had fleets for a while.
I remember fleets.
They got rid of fleets.
That was a little rough.
luke rudkowski
They literally had Vine.
gavin wax
And arguably, if you make a comparison to Facebook, if Facebook had not acquired Instagram, Facebook would be done by now.
I mean, Facebook, its platform is dying.
It's Instagram that keeps it afloat.
Had Twitter successfully kept Vine, they would be in a totally different position today.
tim pool
I want to pull up this story from TimCast.com.
Advertisers threaten boycott if Trump reinstated to Twitter.
Clients from ad agency that spend $60 billion per year in media spending will pause all ad purchases if Trump's account returns.
Why?
Why are advertisers saying we don't want Trump on the platform?
What do these things have to do with each other other than these are ESG companies?
It's politically motivated.
Elon Musk needs to recognize this.
But it seems like he's bowing to it.
ian crossland
Well, these are what you call impact investors, and they're willing to throw money at political causes.
They want to see someone other than Donald Trump be elected.
The nice thing about owning this company and making it private is that he doesn't, when you have a public company, yeah, you have not only do you have shareholders, then you even a public company, a public private company that you have that you co-own with someone else.
Like in the case of mines, Bill and John ran it together.
They each own half.
It was hard to get stuff done because if Bill wanted to do something, it had to go through John.
And if John didn't want to do it, it didn't happen.
So I imagine at Twitter, there's like six guys all with veto power.
Impossible.
Like you said, it took a year to get an edit button through.
Now you got one owner.
He says, yes, it gets done.
gavin wax
It's the power of the dictator.
luke rudkowski
There's also a global corporate collusion with bankers happening under the name of the ESG, and I think this has a lot to do with it, because if they can have companies literally jumping whenever the bankers want them to jump, singing whenever the bankers want them to sing, doing whatever the bankers want them to do under this social credit score, this corporate social credit score, this is another element of it that we have to understand here.
This is a coordinated effort by a lot of very powerful people, Bill Gates being one of them, Putting all of his money into institutions saying, hey, hurt Twitter now.
Twitter is a threat against me, my empire, my money.
Right now, people are going to be able to talk and find out all the lies that I told them.
People are going to find out all the horrible things I did to them.
Red alert!
Right now, we need to shut Twitter down, get all the advertisers.
And again, Elon Musk has actually addressed this.
He talked about doing a subscriber-based model.
He talked about changing the financial aspects of Twitter.
So he sees this attack coming as well, but we got to understand here, there's very powerful people right now that are going to be looking at Twitter as a direct threat against their hegemony on the narrative, on the conversation, on the truth.
ian crossland
That's the Brutus metaphor of what you were saying earlier.
The longer Elon holds this hot potato, the more of a target he becomes. He needs to release it.
gavin wax
Come out forceful, make these radical changes and overwhelm them, which is what the left does
when they're in power. You can make a comparison when Trump was in his office for the first four
years. He dithered, he dallyed, he could have done a lot more things until he waited to the last few
months, which was sad. But you make a good point from previously, it really goes back to if you
build it, they will come.
They could have this hissy fit, they can pull out their money, but if he's truly going to turn this into a new revolutionary platform, move it away from this advertiser beholden structure into something more WeChat, better tech, better features, and the masses come back to Twitter, what are they going to do?
They're not going to be able to hold off for long because they're missing a massive market for potential advertising, you know, supply.
So they're not going to We're not going to turn that down.
tim pool
It's me super chatted, Elon needs to charge $5 to tweet at Trump only.
Make the rest ad free, $1 trillion a year profit.
All the Trump reply guys, it's like, well, if you tweet at Trump, it's $5.
And then they would just fund the whole platform.
serge du preez
That's it.
tim pool
That's how you monetize Twitter.
There you go.
ian crossland
It's as simple as that.
I asked Bill Altman if he wanted to federate minds with Twitter, Parler, Rumble, and Truth
Social, and he was like, hell yeah, except not the Fediverse because of the limitations.
And it was just a vague interaction we had, but he pointed at Noster, which I mentioned at the beginning of the show.
N-O-S-T-E-R.
It's a protocol.
Let's see, you can go to Noster.
It's on github.com slash Noster dash protocol.
So I think what's going to happen is all these networks are going to be able to interoperate.
You'll be able to see true social content while you're logged in.
Because the problem with the Fediverse is it doesn't have a universal login.
gavin wax
It's going to aggregate everything?
ian crossland
Yeah.
With Fediverse, you'd have to log into like Mastodon to view everything that's federated.
And then if Mastodon wants you banned, you can't view anything anymore because you're
Mastodon accounted.
gavin wax
We can't write off Alt-Tec because Alt-Tec definitely pushed Twitter and obviously is
It's led to a lot of the tech features they've begun to release, so it's done its job.
I hope Elon's, you know, revolution of Twitter doesn't totally, you know, negate everything that you guys are building and others are building.
ian crossland
I think we can take it offline, too.
Like, we could have mesh networks locally with this software, with this Twitter and Mines, all this stuff, where, like, I can tweet at you if you're nearby, without having any kind of internet, just on our devices.
tim pool
Look, I think Elon needs to communicate much more and much more quickly because I do not see any logic or reason why certain accounts like the Babylon Bee haven't been reinstated.
More importantly, James Lindsay.
He got banned for calling someone a groomer who was literally a groomer.
He's not insulting LGBTQ people.
He's literally calling out somebody who was grooming kids.
He was banned for that.
There are many things that Elon could have walked in and snapped his fingers.
If his complaint is that it took him a year to make an edit button, then it's like, okay, I get it.
We're on day one and a half or whatever.
But that's why communication's important.
Cat Turd tweeted, Elon's taken over, nothing's changed.
Elon said, I'll be digging into this more today.
Then he comes out and says, we won't do anything until our committee happens.
Are you kidding?
Okay, dude, look, I feel like it's...
If Elon doesn't immediately just pull out the lightning bolt of Zeus and throw it, he's going to keep sitting down having conversations like Dorsey.
I'll put it this way.
The old trope about the president getting elected, and, you know, he's on the campaign trail saying, I'm gonna end the wars!
And I'm gonna get the price of gas down.
Then he gets into office, the CIA, the FBI, DHS, they all slam all these folders on his desk and say, you can't and here's why.
And then, instead of pulling a Trump, where Trump goes, excuse me, excuse me, I don't know, I don't care, get this out of here, I'm doing what I want, we're getting the troops out.
And then they all lost their mind and tried to get rid of him.
Elon's going in there, and I worry, and I don't know, it's only been day one.
But he may go in and pull a traditional presidential trope in that he goes, I'm gonna unban everybody and I'm gonna do these things.
He sits down and they go, okay, now this advertiser does 300 million per year.
They said that if Trump is on the platform, they won't advertise it anymore.
If you don't have that money, we lose this core of the company.
And then this company says we don't like Milo, they complained.
If you have him on, and then Elon's gonna go, okay.
So, if I have these 10 people banned, we keep all this money and the platform keeps working?
Alright, well I guess I'll compromise there.
I had a conversation with a tech CEO a long time ago, of a big social media platform, and they told me, it's a guy, and he said, I don't want to ban these people, but if I don't ban this guy, everyone loses the platform.
So what am I supposed to do?
And I was like, I don't know, grow a pair of balls?
Call the bluff of these companies?
Look them in the eye and say, if you don't want to advertise on the platform that everyone is on, and you want to make yourself irrelevant, by all means, Will Wheaton is hanging out who knows where these days.
He's not on Twitter or on Mastodon, but I'm sure he's looking for someone to talk to.
You can go hang out with them.
You want to be in our house where the party's at?
Then you accept there are people here who say things you don't like.
If Elon doesn't just assert that immediately, we're spiraling back into the same problem.
The fact that he's saying we need a diverse board to decide this, I'm all like, there we go again.
I heard the same thing from Dorsey three years ago, and Elon's saying the same thing again.
I said it was a bad move.
I stand by it.
gavin wax
And I like how he's obviously being very responsive in the Twitter replies, but Jack was the same.
And he went on Rogan, he did all the song and dance and nothing changed.
So he's going to repeat history and it's going to lead to the continued downfall of Twitter.
And again, it goes back to Trump.
tim pool
But what do you have to lose?
But this is why the Twitter execs cashed out.
They were like, all right, it's all yours, buddy.
gavin wax
Yeah, enjoy.
ian crossland
I have hope that things will be different.
luke rudkowski
Let time tell.
It's still early on here.
ian crossland
When Jack was involved, it was a public company, and he didn't have control of it at that point anymore.
He was just kind of saying what he wanted, but Elon has full control at this point.
Which means there's no XPI and things like that.
He can't do illegal things, obviously.
He's got the reins and he's got his foot on the gas.
gavin wax
The stakes are so high we have to hold his feet to the fire, to the coals.
The stakes can be higher.
This is a civilizational type of thing we're dealing with.
This is the public square.
This is the means of communication, the way to disseminate any kind of idea.
So it's not just any other business.
It's not a retail operation.
It's not a car company.
It really goes beyond that.
Maybe not on the financial side, but certainly on the civilizational side.
tim pool
Here's what's going to happen.
He's convening this diverse viewpoint moderation committee council.
And here's what's going to happen.
If he does have progressives on it, they're going to say, do not reinstate Alex Jones.
He's a violent, authoritarian, fascist bigot.
Elon is going to have to tell them to screw off, or he's going to have to listen to them.
Either way, what's the point of doing the council?
If you've got to tell them to screw off anyway because you know what their answer is going to be, then just unban Jones.
If you are not going to, then you're just listening to the mob.
There's no middle ground here.
There's no magical world where the people who burn down cities in the George Floyd rise and then lie about it in the media, there's no world where they're like peacefully negotiating with you.
gavin wax
Because the left governs in the private sector and the public sector by their ideology and their ideology will dictate their actions and then you have, you know, Good intention.
People like Elon coming into and they're like, you know, we'll make a committee, we'll make a council, let's let everyone hear it out, and it doesn't go anywhere.
tim pool
I'll take the win for now.
I don't want to be, you know, total negative Nancy on this one.
It's been good.
I'm just genuinely confused as to why he didn't unban the Babylon Bee immediately.
It would have been big press.
It would have been good.
I can imagine a few things.
The reason why Twitter bans the people they do is because advertisers demand it.
That's it.
Because the left is good at organizing.
They don't just send complaints themselves.
They complain to advertisers and say, we will come for you.
These advertisers know.
Yeah, they mean it.
They'll come with firebombs, bricks, signs.
They'll cause us damage.
They'll smash the windows out.
Let me tell you, if you own a storefront in Portland, or I'll say Berkeley, All the Berkeley storefronts have anti-Trump, or they did, and woke signs.
Why?
If in the middle of the night someone throws a brick, what can you do?
Call the police?
You know what the police are gonna say?
They're gonna say, sorry it happened to you.
Let us know if anything else happens.
See ya!
What are they gonna do?
They're gonna launch a big investigation to hunt down a person who ran by with a rock?
Never gonna happen.
But you're gonna have to pay thousands of dollars or however much to fix that gigantic window.
So then everyone just says, it's easier just to put the sign up and mind my own business.
And this is what happens with big corporations.
Let's say you sell Sody Pop.
And then you get 50 emails from Antifa, from BLM, and they say, we can cause you so much damage, you will regret crossing us.
And they go, I don't care about this.
Just, fine, we'll stop advertising on Twitter, it doesn't make enough money for us anyway.
Then, Elon, or whoever's at Twitter, sees that come in, look, we're getting tons of complaints about Milo, we don't want to advertise on your platform anymore, and they go, look, either we ban Milo, or we lose the whole platform.
And then they do, and that's the chain of events.
Unless someone is willing to say, It's either this or nothing.
It will not change.
luke rudkowski
I mean, that didn't happen yet.
If it does, he deserves to be called out.
I'm a little bit more optimistic.
We're still early on.
Let time tell.
tim pool
Time?
What do you mean?
It's been seven months.
We all know the Babylon Bee is unfairly locked out of their house.
gavin wax
There's an election next month.
tim pool
There's an election in a week!
And Elon Musk finally secures the platform, and if anything he could do is say,
my friends, the Babylon Bee shouldn't have been banned. I already know that's true.
I am going to remove this lock. As for other people, I don't know.
I am going to need some time to work through this. I'd accept that.
gavin wax
And the counter argument to what you just stated before is that
the Twitter has been thoroughly woke-ified for years, and it's an unprofitable, dying platform.
It's been continuously making bad mistakes on the tech front.
It's losing users.
Most of its users are bots.
They've tried the fully woke model, and it's not working from a financial perspective.
So if he's going to be intimidated by the supposed financial repercussions of allowing more free speech on banning the Babylon Bee... I think the Babylon Bee is back.
luke rudkowski
Go on Twitter right now.
serge du preez
I think they're back.
He's watching.
luke rudkowski
I think BibleLumpee is back right now.
tim pool
Are they tweeting?
serge du preez
I haven't seen any tweets.
I just looked at it a minute ago.
tim pool
They're not back.
ian crossland
It was locked.
So the account wasn't erased or anything.
It was just locked until they removed the tweet.
tim pool
They can't get access to their account to view or post tweets until they remove the offensive tweet on Rachel Levine.
So, this is what keeps happening.
gavin wax
Which is like, literally like this tactic that they do.
They go, regret, take it back, take it back now, you've been a bad looker.
tim pool
I get dozens of messages every day from people who are like, Tim, Trump is back!
And I'm like, oh!
Because they assume that Trump's account shouldn't exist.
It's like, no, on Instagram he can't post anything.
On Facebook, his account is there.
People think because they can see it, it means they're back.
So I hear this non-stop, every single time.
Look, I made my point.
Elon waiting on this.
I know it's been a day, so okay, calm down a little bit.
We'll see over the week if we're gonna get any meaningful changes.
I just, I really need...
I don't understand why we didn't see anything.
ian crossland
The move is to do it all at once, and you say, in a sweeping move, all accounts that have been banned or locked that didn't violate U.S.
state law are hereby reinstated.
tim pool
Agreed.
And he could do that today, right now.
ian crossland
And probably take the weekend to do it, and then on Monday morning.
He'll do it at 4.20 on Sunday.
And again, it makes it so much harder.
tim pool
The concern is that big advertisers like this one are saying, we'll pull our ads.
And if there's no money coming in, there's no Twitter.
But unless someone breaks the addiction cycle of this broken psychotic machine, it will keep happening.
ian crossland
What's Twitter blue?
You know how much money they're pulling in from Twitter blue?
tim pool
It's like three bucks a month, but here's the issue.
You want to know why Antifa is allowed to organize illegal activity on the platform and get away with it?
Because Twitter is scared of them.
Because the big advertisers are scared of them.
That's why they don't get banned, because they're the one- Look, I say it all the time.
Does Twitter headquarters, pre-Elon, were they ever scared that, like, Dave Rubin is gonna lead a bunch of classic liberals with pitchforks and torches to their doorstep?
No.
Are they concerned a bunch of black-masked lunatic psychopaths with bricks and molotovs and guns would?
Yeah, because they do.
So, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, every advertiser, they are scared to death that one day they'll walk outside their building and some guy will hit him in the face with a brick.
And it's not going to be a conservative.
So, we can ban the conservatives because they won't do anything about it anyway, but we better not cross Antifa and the extremists left.
It's still happening right now.
gavin wax
And you're presenting a broader political dilemma is that it's this asymmetrical political fight where the conservatives or the right wing are fighting with their hands tied behind their back, and the left wing are bringing guns to a knife fight or not even to a fight at all, and they're just playing to win.
They don't care about the substance, they don't care about the style, they don't care about anything else.
They're there for one thing, one thing only, power, power dynamics, and advancing their ideology, and they don't care about any of the niceties associated with, you know, councils, etc.
tim pool
I would not be surprised.
Okay, look.
It's a victory that Elon bought the platform.
We cracked the Louis XIII.
I know, I know, I know.
But I'm just... I'm eager to make sure this goes in the right direction.
And his announcement about some diverse viewpoint council sounds just like Jack Dorsey.
Just like Vijay Agade.
Sounds exactly like what they were saying.
Based on that...
I wouldn't be surprised.
I'm not saying it's highly probable if, come April, there's me sitting with Elon and Joe being like, Elon, why won't you do this?
We had this Antiva person, and Elon's gonna be like, we're going in, and we're trying to make sure we're doing it fair, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I'm not saying it's highly probable.
I'm not saying I would bet on that.
I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised based on wanting a diverse viewpoint committee or whatever.
I'm like, that right there was just like, oh, that's more BS.
ian crossland
Start a crypto token, start a utility token, Elon, a Twitter token.
tim pool
What if he puts Doge on Twitter?
ian crossland
Yeah, use Doge and then you can pay users with Dogecoins.
tim pool
So here's another strange phenomenon we can talk about.
Here's my social blade for my Twitter account.
Look at me with 1,361,000 followers.
Thank you for following me.
I just tweet nonsense.
I've lost 5,000 so far this month, but that's up 22%.
And probably because I've been, you know, I just tweet kind of stupid nonsense.
But today, I gained 4,264 followers.
What about you, Luke?
You gained a bunch of followers?
luke rudkowski
I did, and I got a whole bunch of engagement, a whole bunch of likes that I never had before.
I'm gonna check right now.
Probably, maybe they have started with the lower level accounts, and they're working their way up, and these are some of the... Well, he said he didn't make any changes.
tim pool
Yeah, he said no changes have happened.
Luke, you gained 859.
I mean, you've been consistently gaining a good amount of followers this past week, but today you've gained more than double what you gained yesterday.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
859 followers.
So, hold on, and check this out.
Look at this.
Twitter, the great purge has begun.
Twitter users report losing thousands of followers as Elon Musk formally takes over the platform and sets to work on bot cleaning.
He says he hasn't changed the content moderation, but take a look at this.
Kate Smith says, wow, I lost a few hundred followers overnight.
Welcome to Twitter, Elon.
People are saying, I lost followers.
One person with the Ukrainian flag in their profile, I lost 50 followers.
Yeah, you know what I think?
I said it before, I'll say it again.
Twitter was propping up fake accounts to make it look like the left was more prominent than they were because the right is more prominent and they were banning people on the right and shadow banning them to make it seem like they were less prominent.
They put their thumb on the scale.
gavin wax
And this is so When you talk about politicians, you talk about their staff, you talk about the decisions that happen in Washington, they see Twitter as really what's the viewpoint of the vast majority of people, their constituents, what's the public's view on things, but it's a completely manipulated audience pool.
I mean, if it was a congressional district, it'd be like a D plus 70.
It's not something that exists in the real world.
And it's all about the perception that they're creating, the illusion they're creating.
And it's not just the likes, it's not just the follows, it's even the comments.
I mean, you see those memes that go around where it's all the same comment that's being shared every time a major news cycle hits.
And I'm glad he's going after it, and it's also noticeable.
It's these left-wing accounts claiming they're losing followers, which were bots.
A few weeks ago, it was right-wing accounts claiming they lost followers, who were real people.
tim pool
They're saying it's people quitting the platform.
serge du preez
In protest.
tim pool
So what?
Is the 4,000 followers a bunch of conservatives joining the platform?
I don't believe it, because Twitter recommends leftist accounts, not right-wing accounts.
gavin wax
First, leftists, they'll never follow through on their threats to quit.
They never moved to Canada, for example.
So I doubt that they actually, you know, are quitting Twitter right now.
So it's certainly bots.
That was something he brought up, and that was something that came up, you know, in the evaluation talks when they were first, you know, in talks to buy.
It was the bot issue.
I mean, that's a fundamental issue.
tim pool
It could be that Elon immediately went after the bots.
First thing he did.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
And so, you know, I'll say maybe I want to see some changes faster than he can go about it.
Maybe Elon is like, the bots got to go first.
gavin wax
And advertisers are on board with that.
If we want to go back to the finite, cause they want real, legitimate, clean, you know, metrics.
They don't want bots.
luke rudkowski
Or maybe just to investigate to see what was going on, to see what the algorithm really was, to see how it was being manipulated, to see who was being punished for what.
I think there needs to be a long investigation into what is essentially very potentially very illegal activities with election interfering done by Twitter.
So that's a very serious accusation, but only someone who just acquired a company is going to be looking into that right now as we're speaking.
gavin wax
And we have to give him more credit.
I do agree with you.
He's coming into a company where the workforce that exists is largely hostile.
luke rudkowski
I hate him.
gavin wax
He hates it.
He needs to fire 70%.
I think he could probably fire 90%.
He is in a good position that he could bring over some loyal, you know, staff and support from, you know, Tesla, some of his engineers there, etc.
But it is going to take a period of time just from a logistical, technical perspective to dig into this and actually find out what's going on behind the scenes, how it can be rectified, how it can be... And how do you undo the damage?
tim pool
Guys, he's not going to endear himself to the employees after he just fired Ligma Johnson.
luke rudkowski
Ligma Johnson was asking for it, though.
ian crossland
Who is this Ligma Johnson follow?
luke rudkowski
Ligma Johnson is on local news and a very serious person.
gavin wax
This is real.
This is really his name.
luke rudkowski
Yes?
tim pool
I think it was like, no, it was two guys.
It was like Rahul Ligma and Daniel Johnson.
ian crossland
Were they, they got fired?
gavin wax
Is that a real story?
ian crossland
No, they were trolls.
tim pool
They showed up to Twitter HQ with boxes.
ian crossland
That is awesome.
tim pool
You think he would have fired Ligma Johnson?
ian crossland
I think they're gonna get hired.
luke rudkowski
They thought they got fired automatically.
ian crossland
Turns out.
I mean, honestly, if you're a free software developer and you want to get involved, keep your eyes on Twitter, because he's going to be hiring.
Or it could just be a community project.
luke rudkowski
He's going to be firing.
ian crossland
He's going to be opening up a lot of positions.
But the thing is, I don't think Twitter needs, I don't know whether they have 5,000 employees.
I mean, if you're running a free software decentralized network, you need the world's community to be involved.
And you don't need to pay them.
tim pool
Can I show you this, guys?
Parag Agrawal's salary was $30.4 million in 2021.
Ned Seagal was $18.9 million.
Vijaya was $17 million.
Sean Edgar, his composition was unclear.
He was the one who had to be escorted out of the building, which is really interesting.
So, what is this?
A former COO, Sarah Personette, was handed $11.2 million as part of Musk's house clearance.
I want you to think about $30.4 million.
And I'd like to ask you, what do you do with that money?
What do you do with it?
gavin wax
I was going to say what they did for it, but...
tim pool
No, I mean, he's working a full-time job, which is very, like, he runs Twitter.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
Being the CEO, it's a very, it's a high-level job of a very large company.
It's just insane to me that these people, like, couldn't get an edit button done in a year, but they were given $30 million.
gavin wax
Well, the pay wasn't based on the merits or the financials or anything.
It was based on loyalty to the regime and the regime's doctrine and what they were trying to push through this platform and the social engineering they wanted to use the platform for, and they were only willing participants in that, so they were paid handsomely for doing a job well done.
But it's not based on any basic profit or loss model of a traditional business.
It's based on loyalty to the regime, and that's why this gentleman will be spending that $30 million somehow.
I have no idea, though.
tim pool
30 million dollars to not be able to get an edit button done in a year.
That's just, it's incredible.
I don't think people truly understand what $30 million means.
He wouldn't be able to spend that if he tried.
gavin wax
Wasn't there like a dozen real engineers?
I'm making the numbers up, but there was an extremely small number of real engineers, and the entire structure of the workforce was like a reverse pyramid, where it was those 12 supporting this massive, bloated, you know, pension scheme at Twitter, effectively.
And it was like these few engineers that were doing all the work, and everything else was just...
You know, corporate fluff and councils and committees and, you know, diversity leaders, whatever it is.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think the hardware was the majority of the people.
There are probably people that are like, how do we handle the crowd kind of people?
gavin wax
Right.
ian crossland
Trust and safety.
It's like so Orwellian.
gavin wax
It's all like an extension of HR.
It's all just these positions that exist to perpetuate their own positions.
They're not actually fundamentally doing any real work.
ian crossland
I will say, like you said, I don't know.
Maybe there were incredible developers across the board there.
gavin wax
There was a meme that came out that said, you know, Musk fires, half of Twitter replaces it with one hard-working Indian engineer.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
gavin wax
That's basically what it is.
tim pool
He could do the job of 3,200 people.
unidentified
Right.
Yep.
gavin wax
Exactly.
tim pool
That sounds about right.
gavin wax
Well, it's all emo-pushing jobs.
You know, they send an email, they're gonna circle back, and that concludes the day.
All right, guys.
tim pool
The thing about the compensation that really gets me is that I would be willing to bet a substantial sum myself that you, the average viewer, could do his job.
Not kidding.
What knowledge does he have where he was like, it was mismanaged, it was managed so poorly the company was struggling, it was basically failing.
This is just, there is an elite class in this planet, it's always been the case, they do nothing, they get everything.
gavin wax
But they think it's on merit.
ian crossland
In 2018, there were roughly 4,000 Twitter employees.
Three years later, 2021, or four years later, I guess, there were 75.
So it went from 4,000 to 7,500.
Almost doubled the amount of employees.
gavin wax
Now map the user growth, which I think if you factor out bots, I don't know what it is, but it's probably stagnant, if not, you know, a downward trend, but at least if you factor out bots, which may not be possible.
ian crossland
All right, let's find out.
tim pool
Yeah, people are pointing out that Kanye's Twitter account is back and Elon pointed out that's an automatic thing, it has nothing to do with him, you know.
gavin wax
Oh, it was like one of those seven-day things or whatever?
tim pool
Right, and so his account just turned back on or whatever.
gavin wax
Well, he should just take credit.
tim pool
I just, you know, it really is shocking and it's unfortunate.
I would be willing to bet additionally that if I took that 30 million dollars.
In one year.
30.
And gave it to a random viewer of this show.
They would build something more substantial, more historical, and better than anything he did.
That's just... I really can't stand Silicon Valley and that machine.
Crony capitalist BS.
I despise it so much.
gavin wax
It's an incentive structure for loyalty.
You keep these guys operating against their own company's best interests because they know the payout will be greater than whatever else they could get through normal channels.
tim pool
And I guess he got $60 million to get fired.
ian crossland
Parag?
What's his name?
Parag?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He got $60 million, I think.
Someone want to fact check it real quick?
Well, in a way, you know— I think his Golden Parachute was, uh, 60 million.
ian crossland
I was wondering what Elon would do.
I'm glad that he gave them payouts.
I mean, I don't think you can ethically just say, like, goodbye, now everything that you were earning is set to zero, so.
But that's a lot of money, my man.
Ethically.
60 million bucks!
tim pool
Uh, let's see.
I got this, uh, the total value they say in Guardian was $120 million in Golden Parachutes.
Do they break it down?
Uh, here we go.
What is it?
Do-do-do-do.
No, okay, 8.4 to Agrawal?
That doesn't sound right.
gavin wax
This all goes back to the Fed.
tim pool
34.8 million to Vijay Agade?
Why would she get more than the CEO?
That seems strange.
Whatever, there you go.
ian crossland
She's been there longer, I think.
gavin wax
She's a woman.
tim pool
Well, she's been there longer, so maybe that's it.
But it's just so crazy, man.
ian crossland
I'm looking at the user growth.
The numbers from 2018, they had 335 million monthly active users, but then two years later, they had 330.
So, I mean, actually down 5 million.
gavin wax
So the staff went up?
And the users went down.
ian crossland
That's right.
gavin wax
It's a great setup.
ian crossland
The staff went from 4,000 to 5,500 while the daily user rate didn't change.
luke rudkowski
It pays to be the thought police, you know?
When you're censoring speech, when you're going after people for political ideas and expression and act like you're fighting the Germans during the 1930s, you've got to be paid a lot of money to play pretend for that long, for that much, for that big of a circumstance.
gavin wax
For that crazy of an act.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
You know, and you got to pay for private security if you're in Silicon Valley.
You know, a lot of crazy people out there running around with hammers and deranged individuals and people throwing poop at you and people, you know, syringes, people giving themselves the vaccine in the streets all the time.
ian crossland
So, I want to see Rumble's headquarters.
Because I'm thinking about Twitter's HQ was very lavish.
I visited Rumble.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I got a tour of the headquarters down in Florida.
tim pool
Is it a small, like, bachelor-style apartment?
unidentified
There's no bathroom?
luke rudkowski
It's surreal because it looks like a cartel house.
Like, right on the water.
It's like, it's huge.
unidentified
It's a beautiful place.
Chris Pavlowski greeted you with, like, a scotch and a cigar, and he was like, I'm like, this looks like a scene out of Scarface.
luke rudkowski
It really does.
I'm like, where's the rifle?
gavin wax
I feel like that's better than a modernist, soulless building in Silicon Valley with their cafeteria and all their little perks and their yoga room.
luke rudkowski
And it's not that big.
ian crossland
That's what I'm wondering.
How many floors?
luke rudkowski
Two floors.
ian crossland
Oh, see, that's modest.
We didn't have a huge... I mean, that is a massive amount of overhead.
luke rudkowski
Not that many rooms, either.
ian crossland
You just don't need it.
Not with social media, man.
You don't need big buildings.
It's all about servers and server placement, which, ideally, we'll have that stuff in orbit, because if we do take some sort of asteroid contact, we're going to need to preserve our data and our knowledge.
tim pool
But Ian, the problem is, how do you dissipate the heat in outer space?
On big data centers?
ian crossland
You could hit it with laser cooling.
tim pool
Laser cooling?
ian crossland
Like if you hit something with a laser, it should move heat that way.
tim pool
Move heat where?
ian crossland
Along with the laser.
Like the laser will carry the heat with it.
tim pool
I see what you're saying.
So the laser goes through it and then actually transfers the energy out.
ian crossland
Correct.
tim pool
If we could do direct thermal conversion into light and then beam it away, that would work.
ian crossland
That would be crazy.
I'm glad you're my friend.
tim pool
That's a cool idea.
gavin wax
That's pretty cool.
tim pool
I mean, for right now, yeah, actually, that's interesting, but the servers are going to generate heat.
We can try and recapture heat, but it's got to go somewhere because the ambient heat we can't control perfectly.
The efficiency wouldn't be there.
gavin wax
Yeah, you should just write things on stone.
Just go back.
That'll work.
tim pool
The servers operate by a guy reading the code and typing in the ones and zeros manually.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Let's see.
In 27 years, you'll get this tweet out.
ian crossland
Chris Pavlovsky, CEO of Rumble, and Elon have been, I don't know if the two of them directly have been in talks, but Chris reached out to him on Twitter about a month ago and was like, hey, you want to get involved?
Because I'm a big fan.
And Elon was like, all right.
And then now I hear they're working on like, because Chris is a server guy, Elon's a satellite guy.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Twitter needs a video component.
Twitter needs something that could either be a TikTok or another Periscope or another Vine.
They need that.
They don't have that.
tim pool
What if Elon does succeed with X and Twitter becomes a place where you've got a wallet, uses crypto, you can post videos, you can write stories, you can make tweets.
Like, it really becomes what Mark Zuckerberg was hoping Facebook would become.
luke rudkowski
The American WeChat.
And then I'm going to be critical of it and skeptical of it because of how powerful and all-encompassing it will be.
But as of right now, I'm optimistic when I see Bill Gates and other establishment figures attacking him.
But when it becomes too mainstream, that's when I'm going to have questions.
gavin wax
Well, no one thought that Myspace was going to fail or even Snapchat.
And now it looks like Facebook, the platform itself, is pretty much going nowhere.
So who knows?
We'll get a revitalization story out of Twitter.
tim pool
If I was a billionaire, I would do what I would call the Parag Agrawal Challenge.
And I would give $30 million to a random person for an investment project.
Obviously there's rules, you don't just get the money.
It would be an investment, not income.
It would be, we create a company, we put $30 million in it, go.
And then we would see at the end of one year what we have.
I think it would be hilarious because you could take your average contractor and they'd be like, oh, I built a bunch of houses.
I'm like, wow, houses!
That's really amazing!
Parag, what did you do in one year?
Well, I was running Twitter and we couldn't get an edit button done.
I'm sure he was doing something, you know what I mean?
But based on that Project Veritas video where the guy is like, I work four hours a week or something like that, I really doubt any of them are doing anything.
ian crossland
Yeah, you want people that are committed to 40 plus hours a week at least, because it's about organization.
If you have 30 million, like I could pay you 30 million, but if you're only working eight hours a week and there's no other employees... Well, you've seen those viral TikTok videos with a girl walking around like, here's my day in the office.
gavin wax
I got lunch, yoga.
It's really stressful.
tim pool
Red wine on tap.
gavin wax
Right.
tim pool
So here's the secret.
Investors ask people.
They say, ask you a question.
If tomorrow you woke up and you had a million dollars in the bank account, cash, clean, ready to use, it was a legitimate deposit, what would you do?
What would you do, Gavin?
gavin wax
I would just buy property.
tim pool
You'd buy property?
gavin wax
Yeah, rentals.
tim pool
That's not a terrible answer.
gavin wax
They're not making any more land.
tim pool
What about you, Ian?
What would you do?
ian crossland
I think I would buy a house at this moment.
tim pool
Yeah?
ian crossland
It depends.
luke rudkowski
At this interest rate?
Are you crazy?
ian crossland
Although I hear the housing market's about to dip.
tim pool
Cash.
It's like cash purchase.
Uh, what would you do if you woke up and you had a million dollars just in cash in your bank account?
luke rudkowski
Buy a whole bunch of employees and expand operations.
ian crossland
Buy employees?
Like slaves?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
That's thinking outside the box.
No, no, no, I said the box.
Your guys' answer would never get you an investment.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, I'm not looking for an investment.
gavin wax
Oh, you want it?
Oh, yeah, well, yeah.
tim pool
It doesn't matter if you think you're getting investment or not.
ian crossland
The question... I mean I could pay four people a hundred grand.
tim pool
Okay, but here's what people are looking for. They're looking for someone who
naturally wants to expand operations, not someone who needs to be told to do it.
So if you said, I'd buy a house, they'd go, that's really cool, nice meeting you.
And if they went to a homeless guy and he goes like, I'd love to start a company,
now just we're gonna make birdhouses and I'm gonna hire a hundred people and have
the biggest birdhouse in the back, you're hired.
ian crossland
We'll give you the money if they could be 72,000 a month for server space on AWS while I'm paying 60 grand for nine
employees three of which will be
Working for the six others two people will be responding.
You know that kind of thing. Oh god. Yes plug it in But you need to understand this that
tim pool
Most people be like oh well. I didn't know you meant if I was gonna do a business
I don't.
I mean, what's your first priority?
And you guys clearly said property.
Not a bad answer, because property is an investment.
Most people will say, like, I go to Hawaii, I take my family out.
Those people will never see a dime from an investor.
So even with what we're doing here at Timcast, the biggest challenge is personnel, is finding people who want to work on something, not people who want a job.
People who want a job tend to just, you know, quiet, quit, do the bare minimum.
So when you're trying to invest in someone and give them a substantial amount of money, you want to go to someone and say, if you had a million dollars, what would you do?
It's like, oh man, you know, I've always wanted to launch my own comic book distribution network.
And if I just had the capital, we'd get it going, but I've already got the books.
I just need to figure out how to get to these.
You're, you're hired.
Here's the money.
Have fun.
Good luck.
ian crossland
What do you find is the bulk of cost when you're running operations?
tim pool
Labor.
ian crossland
Always labor.
tim pool
Humans cost money.
ian crossland
More specifically, in-house labor?
Out-of-house labor?
tim pool
It's all the same.
Labor's labor.
People are the most expensive thing.
ian crossland
By far.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But do you end up spending 20%, 15% of the cost on outsourced labor, like legal stuff like that, marketing, things like that?
tim pool
What do you mean?
ian crossland
I just wonder, just in general, if you spend it mostly on in-house employees?
Of course, of course.
tim pool
I mean, we have a lot of contractors, and then we have legal, and then we have construction, and then we have external marketing and PR.
There's a lot of stuff that we don't do in-house because it doesn't make sense to do.
And most of the cost is, like, an employee working for the company.
ian crossland
You prefer to do that?
tim pool
I mean, it's not so much prefer as just, like, It's more like if there's a wavy field, you know, let's say this table was wavy and you poured water on it, the water would pool in the lowest point, you know what I mean?
It's not like I'm saying, we should do contract labor or something, it's like, that's how it's done.
I'm not gonna hire a lawyer to work for this company, you know what I mean?
I'm gonna contract a legal, a law firm who can handle it.
gavin wax
Specialization.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, like, the people we need to hire, the people who need to be here all the time, specifically, like, a video producer, an audio engineer, but, like, Vice had in-house counsel, you know?
They had a room with, like, two or three lawyers in it.
They were really, really big.
Maybe we'll get to that point, you know?
But, uh, you know?
Yeah, anyway, my point, ultimately, about the cash stuff is...
I look at a lot of the people in Silicon Valley, a lot of the people at these companies, and they should not be getting paid what they're getting paid because they don't care about the product, they don't care about the growth, they don't care about the mission.
They don't believe in merit.
They believe in, like, I deserve to be here, and then they do nothing.
And then it just burns to the ground.
gavin wax
It's a broader problem in corporate America where you see these compensation packages are so out of whack with what they actually deliver.
And, you know, they make excuses and they talk about the scale of things, etc.
But at the end of the day, you know, it still is very much out of whack when you look at what you mentioned before, the growth in terms of staff and employees and the decrease in actual users.
I mean, there's... I'll tell you.
ian crossland
There's like a 45% increase in staff with no nominal growth.
tim pool
Here's a secret if you want to be rich.
Go hang out with rich people.
That's it.
Goodbye.
I'll tell you why.
In like the Palisades, in Brentwood, in California and LA, you know these places, you've been there.
unidentified
Oh yeah, beautiful.
tim pool
These are the places where if you're just friends with one of these wealthy Hollywood elites, you can be like, you know I sell this fancy lotion, it's $100 a bottle.
They'll say, oh I'd love some, and then it's jergens in a little bottle.
And this is the way it works.
I've known people who are like, oh, I make jewelry.
And I'm like, how much do you make per year?
It's only a couple hundred thousand per year.
And I'm like, for making jewelry?
Yeah.
But I have a very select clientele of Hollywood elite.
It's like, okay, because you know rich, Hampton's too, because you're friends with rich people
and they want to buy from you, they just have money and give it to you.
You're rich.
ian crossland
There you go.
gavin wax
There's a whole social, like, class, you know, between the Hamptons and Hollywood, whatever, that feed off of that.
Usually, you know, they fall into, like, the wine mom, you know, category of, in terms of demographics.
ian crossland
It's unfortunate when people turn to alcohol when they get bored of so much money.
They beat the game and they just start getting drunk every night.
tim pool
The only difference, on average in my opinion, maybe not necessarily, but there is a fine line between someone with a carpet, a sheet thrown on the ground with a bunch of jewelry strewn about it, and they're sitting there smiling at you saying, $1 necklaces, and some, you know, yoga wine aunt who is making $300,000 a year selling necklaces to select clientele in the Palisades.
It's just who you know.
ian crossland
A $4,000 haircut, because you're worth it.
tim pool
Exactly.
ian crossland
And then they're able to write that off on their taxes.
gavin wax
This is all the Fed.
luke rudkowski
I don't think you can write off haircuts on your taxes.
ian crossland
Thank God.
tim pool
Depending on your industry.
ian crossland
Yeah, entertainment?
tim pool
For sure.
So, like, Hollywood can.
And this is the craziest thing.
If you're an actor in Hollywood, all that cosmetic stuff is a business expense.
And I mean, to be honest, it kind of is.
gavin wax
It's legitimate.
tim pool
Yeah, you need to look a certain way and whatever.
But I have hung out with people who have told me their jobs are just like, oh, you know, I sell this, that, or otherwise.
And I'm like, and you make that much?
Half a million dollars selling?
They're like, well, of course.
I get 20% commission on all the products.
And my clients are all very wealthy.
gavin wax
And I'm like... It's like a royal court for like these new aristocrats.
You got the jester, you got a few people.
Exactly.
ian crossland
Luke, you mentioned that you would expand operations.
Are you talking about for We Are Change?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and then just looking at solutions.
I think providing food that's not poisoned is a big industry that I think has a lot of potential to also get into, that I would want to get into, that I'm kind of looking into getting into, and helping people as much as I can.
ian crossland
So like selling health food?
luke rudkowski
Uh, maybe not even just health food.
Maybe just normal, regular food.
gavin wax
You know, without seed oil.
luke rudkowski
Without high fructose corn syrup, seed oils, and all the, you know, forever chemicals, and microplastics, and other things that just destroy humanity.
gavin wax
But it has a green label on it, and it says it's healthy.
What are you trying to tell me?
luke rudkowski
No, you're wrong.
You've been propagandized.
tim pool
Let's put little styrofoam cubes in a plastic wrap, and then put the ingredients list.
You know, on it, and then people wouldn't know the difference anyway, you know what I mean?
gavin wax
You'd see a guy eating it.
ian crossland
Some fat guy.
tim pool
It's like Rice Krispies.
Yeah, it's petrochemical.
gavin wax
Didn't they do an experiment where they made a Rice Krispie with, like, sawdust?
Just a small amount of sawdust and wanted to see if people could tell, and they couldn't, and it's basically equivalent to what they do to most of our food.
tim pool
Have you looked at Parmesan cheese from the supermarket?
One of the ingredients is cellulose.
It might as well be cardboard.
It's indigestible plant matter.
gavin wax
Well, yeah, and they talk about, oh, we have a society where you're constantly having to work out just to be the bare minimum in terms of healthy.
You go to Europe, you look back in time, you know, the caloric intake hasn't gone up.
It's the quality of food we're putting in is trash.
And then we wonder why we've never been more unhealthy.
tim pool
So we talked about this the other day.
We had Seth Weathers on.
He said, I need to eat more protein.
I said, I eat like 100 grams in one day.
He said, you need 150.
And I was like, do I?
And then I checked a government website and it said 70 grams, but I should be eating 400 to 500 carbs.
And then I was just thinking to myself, I couldn't eat that many carbs if I tried.
gavin wax
Well, they also said eggs were bad.
They said butter was bad.
Meat was bad.
Meat was bad.
It's like, it's all nonsense.
luke rudkowski
Whatever the government says, don't listen to them.
gavin wax
Do what tradition tells you.
What tradition says, eat a lot of meat, eggs, butter.
tim pool
Let me tell you, you know those outright bars we have?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Those have 24 grams of carbs in it.
So I have to eat like, what, 20 of them to get the 500 carbs?
I could barely eat one of those protein bars.
Granted, there's protein in them.
But if I ate 20 of them, that's too much protein, I guess.
20 of them.
ian crossland
Insane.
gavin wax
They want you fat, childless, and on a really manipulated Twitter.
That's their mission.
tim pool
Yeah.
And so I've been eating.
So I probably do need more protein, to be honest.
I skate a lot, exercise a lot.
But it's just insane that that's what people are told to eat.
The whole system just seems completely broken to me.
gavin wax
And we waste so much time talking about health and exercise instead of putting into other productive things.
It's like, we're so focused on the bare minimum, not being, you know, an obese, morbidly obese person.
You know, these are things a hundred years ago you didn't really have to deal with.
And I'm not saying they had to go out and hunter gather and, you know, hunt their food.
We had a balance, you know, as recently as the 1970s.
You could look at the charts.
It backs it up, but we just have so much time and energy wasted now into health food and
just returning to a normalcy.
Like you said, it's not even health food.
luke rudkowski
It's just normal food.
Normal food that my grandma used to eat that we don't get to eat right now because of a
number of different factors.
Monocropping is another horrible element, but more importantly, you don't even need
to look at the science or the data.
Look at the photos.
Look at the people a couple decades ago.
Look at the people now.
It's terrifying.
Whenever you go to a beach or a public park or a theme park, you look around, and if you start paying attention, you're like, holy freaking cow, there is biological warfare being committed on everyone.
gavin wax
Mostly in this country, though.
Because you go to other countries, it's not nearly as bad.
tim pool
You see that photo from the 50s where everyone's just fit-looking?
So weird.
gavin wax
Yeah, they didn't go to gyms.
They didn't count their calories.
tim pool
Now Disney is doing that fat chick film, where it's like, you can be morbidly obese, but it's okay.
ian crossland
It feels like we're dancing around a renaissance, but if not for the obesity crisis.
gavin wax
It's all these distractions, because we have to relearn all these basic things we used to know and be able to do innately, you know, just be healthy.
Now it's like, this is an active thing we have to do to be healthy.
ian crossland
They call it organic food.
Organic means carbon-based.
All food is organic.
tim pool
But they created a special word for what food is supposed to be.
ian crossland
It's so weird.
tim pool
I love it.
It's like, organic food means, like, food.
So we should actually, we should change this.
Chemical food and food.
So it's like, I got milk.
Is it chemical milk or is it milk?
ian crossland
Altered.
tim pool
It's chemical.
gavin wax
Well, language is, that's all language.
It's language warfare.
I mean, even look at schools.
It's like public school, it's a state school.
tim pool
Organic?
I like that you point out that organic means, like, carbon-based.
So think about what they're saying, though.
When it's not organic, they're basically saying it's like a petrochemical or something.
Like, it's not really food.
gavin wax
That's what we cook with.
We cook with oils that used to be used for mechanical and industrial purposes.
They just slightly twisted them up.
There was a whole incident that happened, I think, in Spain, Madrid, in the 80s or 70s, where they all got some toxic oil syndrome because the food that they were cooking with was like this canola oil that was basically meant for, like, Industrial engine oil.
tim pool
You know what gutter oil is?
gavin wax
Oh, in China?
tim pool
Yeah, where they scoop it out of the sewers, and then they filter it out, boil it, and cook with it, and then you eat it on the street?
luke rudkowski
That's pretty much what most of our food is being made in.
gavin wax
That's everything you have in a restaurant anyway, in the deep fryer.
luke rudkowski
That's exactly it.
They don't change that deep fryer every time they cook something, and it's not schools, it's indoctrination centers.
gavin wax
Thank you.
tim pool
All right, we're gonna go to Super Chats.
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and become a member at TimCast.com.
All right, we're going to read some of these superchats.
Jeremiah Nobler says, the Paul Pelosi incident is yet another example of Democrats not knowing what they let out of the bag catering to their progressive wing.
Look, the guy was a Green Party dude, but he also was, you know, he posted Q stuff, he was a conspiracy guy, he had a pride flag.
You know, it is what it is.
ian crossland
Yeah, you let a summer of violence happen, that's going to affect everyone in the world.
tim pool
Yep.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim Pool says, I don't know why anyone follows me on Twitter as he melts the fragile adult baby minds of cult leftists screeching about a Red Verify badge.
Bro, this is going to be fun and we are here for it.
Yeah, I tweeted, so I tweeted, That Elon should make a new verification badge, except it shows that you're a fascist and it's red.
Then I tweeted again when he bought it.
The same exact thing, but I said, except it shows that you're a communist and it's red and you can't remove it by choice.
And they're like losing their minds.
unidentified
They're like, he wants to badge us when we do the fascist thing!
gavin wax
They should review a lot of the verification, the people that are verified and the whole verification process, because that's another, you know, blatant tool for manipulation.
tim pool
Yeah, a verification originally was anyone could apply for it.
And it was just you submit your ID and they say, okay, you are who you say you are, you're good.
And then they decided to make it an endorsement.
And it was funny because they were like, we don't see it as an endorsement.
And then they literally took James O'Keefe's away.
unidentified
It's like, what?
tim pool
They wouldn't give one to Julian Assange?
gavin wax
And it's violating 230.
I mean, they're editorializing.
I mean, it's another example of it.
tim pool
They're allowed to editorialize under 230.
They're not violating it.
gavin wax
Oh, true.
But then don't they lose protection?
tim pool
Nope.
That's what conservatives want it to be.
But that's funny.
Section 230 basically says they can do whatever they want without liability.
It's insane.
So, repealing it's bad.
It should just say, if you engage in moderation of any kind, you lose immunity.
You take an editorial stance.
Alright, let's read some more.
unidentified
St.
tim pool
Miles, has anyone else noticed the U.S.
Capitol Police were on the scene?
That's right, they were.
NotDannyMcBride says, Ian, will you be my dad?
ian crossland
Sure.
I mean, metaphorically, yeah, man.
tim pool
Metaphorically?
ian crossland
Let's do it together.
Pay it forward.
And then you be someone else's dad.
tim pool
Okay, GoneFall says, you guys should play audio clip donations, but only members can, and those audio clips have to be reviewed before being shown on live.
We've thought about a lot of things like that, but it's like a different show.
It'd be like a Colin show almost, so we're making plans for expanding and doing something like that, which would be fun.
I think Colin's show would be really fun to do.
But we'll figure it out.
Maybe we'll do, like, Fridays.
serge du preez
Yeah, fun Friday show.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll have, like, from 9 to 9.30, we'll do, like, pre-screened call-ins.
That'd be cool.
Like, recorded messages, and then we'll play them, and then we'll respond to them.
Like you said.
It's a good idea, just because you can't really do a live show.
You get someone on the air, and then they're like, I'm a businessman.
Then you press play, and they start saying a bunch of crazy things.
serge du preez
Yeah, totally.
tim pool
Okay, okay.
Where are we at?
Where are we at?
Oh man, Doc Holliday says, for once someone else was hammered in the Pelosi's house.
Ooh, too soon!
That is clever, though.
It is clever.
But hey man, this guy got seriously hurt.
That's horrifying.
That scares me.
ian crossland
Much healing love, Paul.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
Not okay.
You know, you don't gotta like somebody to be like, I hope the dude is okay.
ian crossland
That's how I feel about John Fetterman, man.
I almost started crying the other night.
tim pool
Oh bro, when I was watching that debate, it was hurting watching that man.
It's so sad.
And now, it's just, here we go.
The left is saying Fetterman's up.
The right's saying Oz is up.
And I'm like, whatever, dude.
unidentified
Vote.
tim pool
Don't vote for the guy who can't talk.
Oz is bad for a while.
I don't like him.
He's not that bad.
It's just, it's kind of cringe.
ian crossland
We could have done better.
tim pool
But, just, Fetterman is just, it's not fair, man.
serge du preez
It's unfit, man.
ian crossland
Gotta rest.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
It's sad.
serge du preez
Recover.
tim pool
Hudson Bodry says, long time listener, first live stream and super chatter.
Listen to Timcast on Spotify every day at work.
Huge question.
When is Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
coming on the show?
Good question.
He's certainly bought and paid his way here already.
Several times around.
We'll have to, you know, maybe some people suggested we do like a fan episode and we bring on a handful of people and that are like the core fans that are super chatting all the time and stuff.
I think it's a good idea.
We'll figure something out.
We're also big fans of Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
because he super chats all the time and he has good super chats and we like reading them.
Oh man, some of these, there's a lot of, a lot of these jokes about getting hammered.
Jeffrey Grajic says the hammer was Paul Pelosi's hammer.
The guy took away from Pelosi.
Yes, right.
I think that's, I think that's, that's what I heard.
gavin wax
Interesting.
tim pool
He grabbed the hammer and the guy got it from him and started hitting him with it.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Yeah, it's crazy, dude.
Pinochet's helicopter tour saying Speaker's house unguarded is pretty sus, just saying.
I don't disagree.
Come on.
All right.
Amos Moses says, when are you having your fellow shirake on?
You know Mr. West, Mr. Fresh by himself.
He's so impressed.
Did you even see the test?
You got D's MF Rosie Perez.
Good morning.
I have no idea what that means.
serge du preez
It's a line from his tracks.
tim pool
From what?
serge du preez
From one of his tracks.
I forget which one now.
tim pool
Whose tracks?
serge du preez
Kanye West.
tim pool
Oh, Kanye.
luke rudkowski
Should we have Kanye on?
That's the question.
tim pool
Yes.
I just don't have any contact for Kanye West.
Kanye, I'd love to talk to you about stuff.
That'd be fantastic.
I would love to have him on the show, but I've reached out to a couple people.
No response.
It's like, how do you get in touch with Kanye West?
You know what I mean?
serge du preez
I don't know.
tim pool
Kanye call me?
I have no idea.
I've tweeted at Elon Musk several times.
He responds to some people.
It'd be great to have Elon on the show.
luke rudkowski
What's the email if Kanye would want to reach out to you?
Which booking?
Is it like a booking email?
tim pool
No.
I don't know, man.
That's probably why.
Have your people call my people or whatever?
serge du preez
Yeah, he'd readjust it if he wants.
He knows how to do it, so.
tim pool
I think it'd be awesome to have Elon on.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, Kanye.
Elon, too!
unidentified
Both, both.
tim pool
Yeah, right now.
But for right now, Kanye is the guy to talk to.
And I'm not, you know, I'm not super interested in actually talking to him about His tweets or whatever, because I'm like, okay, okay, we get it.
Like it's been talked about a lot.
I'd actually be interested in talking to him about business.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And, uh, you know, he mentioned that he's a billionaire, but they never call him a billionaire.
They call him a rapper.
Now he's, now, now he's saying he lost $2 billion overnight.
I'm interested to hear about his business.
Like, and, and I'm sure a lot of people want to hear that stuff too, but the politics of a lot of it would be interesting to talk about.
ian crossland
I like what he does, what he's doing with schools.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Reinventing the education system.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Yup.
Okay, let's grab some more soup.
A lot of hammer jokes.
A lot of hammer jokes!
That's right, they drink a lot.
unidentified
Yeah, true.
tim pool
They certainly do.
All right, all right.
Terry Boyd says, OMG, I am a 62-year-old nudist, longtime avid follower and listener of Timcast and a conservative.
Please do not associate nudists with lunatics.
ian crossland
Fair point, fair point.
How often are you nude?
I gotta know.
tim pool
I'd imagine all the time.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
But like, Don't you want to be warm, you know?
That's what I'm saying.
Ian's wearing a coat and a scarf.
ian crossland
And I feel great.
gavin wax
It doesn't seem like a sustainable lifestyle.
tim pool
And, you know, what if, like, you're going out and you're worried about, I don't know, brigands and bandits slashing you so you have to wear thick leathers as you carry your wares from town to town?
ian crossland
Brambles and the like.
gavin wax
How do they go on dates?
How do they do dates?
It's a lot of questions.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, it's actually not.
You know, it's funny because Elon was like, comedy is allowed again, but then he said, but I didn't change any rules.
people in decline from there.
Also, free speeches back on Twitter.
Love y'all.
Well, it's actually not.
You know, it's funny because Elon was like, comedy is allowed again, but then he said,
but I didn't change any rules.
It's like, okay, so it's not.
But nine billion.
It's already declining.
gavin wax
I wonder where... Is he saying that's the cap?
luke rudkowski
The scientific models were saying that it's going to be going up from 7 billion to 9 billion, and then naturally going down.
But now, with such... I forgot the explanation to it, but that's what all the graphs were predicting.
But now, with a depopulation agenda, I think that number is not going to be reached.
9 billion.
tim pool
9 billion, sorry.
I've seen those and my thought process is regardless of... that basically means people don't have kids.
So it's like at a certain point people don't have kids.
Why?
And then what happens if people aren't having kids?
Just some people are having kids?
I don't know.
It sounds weird.
And who gets to choose?
And you need to consider it's not just like everyone stops having kids, it's for cultural reasons, the loss of children will be centered in certain areas.
So it may actually be that in urban centers population collapses, but in rural areas they're more likely to grow, which makes sense considering everything we've seen already.
If those models are correct, the population expansion would primarily be in Africa, where population growth is still substantially higher than in other parts of the world.
gavin wax
And that's the history of human civilization.
The cities collapse first, then the hill people and the country people come in and rebuild it from the ashes.
luke rudkowski
The Pew Research Center is saying mainly because people are going to be having less children, and this is according to their research.
gavin wax
But they never say is it because they want to have less children or they can't have more children for financial, economic, or other reasons.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Simulation 115 says, Tim, if you do 3 p.m.
solo live streams on Fridays, why don't you invite a single guest through video call to discuss the topic?
Also, guest idea, Shad Brooks.
He is an Aussie creator that is building a Star Wars alternative.
Doing guests is difficult, and even if I—so I did a live stream today instead of my normal recorded segment, And it was because the news was rapidly changing.
It was initially reported Twitter employees were fired, then I started recording, and then like, a few minutes in, breaking news, we were hoaxed, it's a fake story.
And so I was like, I'll just start a livestream.
But the segment's supposed to be just discussing, you know, monologuing through the news.
Doing a guest thing would be very similar to this and it would be hard to coordinate and so I don't know but I might actually do Fridays on youtube.com slash Timcast 3 p.m.
Live for like 30 to 40 minutes because I it's it's a lot easier and honestly, it's like easier work Were you doing super chats?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's awesome.
What was it fun talking to the crowd and everything?
tim pool
yeah, but I only did a few super chats because the goal is to like talk about everything for a half an hour and then be done and for the podcast on iTunes and Spotify for the Tim Pool Daily Show.
So that's two podcasts.
There's TimCast IRL Conversations and Tim Pool Daily Show monologuing.
ian crossland
I found that one of the things about social media and working with a live audience is that if you allow yourself to get derailed by the audience and start responding with the audience, the whole show just becomes about that instead of the message that you're intending to, which is why they're there in the first place is for your message.
tim pool
That's why I hold super chats till the end.
So that we can do our thing.
And then on Friday, I've done two of them now with Roe v. Wade being overturned and then the Elon Musk stuff was just rapidly changing.
So I might do Friday live streams just because Friday is a weak news day as it is.
People want to go out and do stuff.
They don't want to be at work.
They don't want to be listening to the politics.
They want to go out and party.
Like, Friday nights is what happens.
Okay, where we at?
A lot of people saying drunk drunk drunk drunk drunk drunk.
Okay, drunk drunk drunk.
Jerry Murphy says, I'm an amateur stand-up comic and was wondering if you are looking to hire anyone that may help write comedy skits or possibly write humorous news articles.
Yes, but it's a bottleneck.
Hiring is a bottleneck.
It's very difficult to do.
ian crossland
You gotta get stuff online, get your comedy out there so that it can be seen by people that work with Tim or that know Tim.
And then they'll be like, Tim, look at this.
And if he likes it, he'll be like, get that person out here.
tim pool
Yeah, Carter made a video, Carter Banks, who does all our music.
He made a video being like, hey, I make music, hire me.
And then like six months later, we were like, hey, look at this.
And then I emailed him like, you want a job?
And he was like, oh, wow, that was a long time ago.
And then we hired him.
And he's fantastic.
He's amazing.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, a lot of people are like, hey, just let me do this.
And I'm like, I don't know if you can or will.
I don't know who you are.
I don't have time to look into you.
But if you want to work with me or Tim or anyone else, Show me what you got.
Show me what you can do.
Do it by yourself, and then naturally we'll find it.
tim pool
But it's still not easy because it's like... Right now we're looking for cast castle stuff.
Because we want to get cast castle rolling.
We want to carve out the edges.
What's the phrase I'm trying to think of?
I can't remember.
I like it all.
We want to make the show better.
There you go.
ian crossland
Round it out?
tim pool
Yeah, round it out.
ian crossland
Rounding out the show, yes.
tim pool
Rounding out the show.
luke rudkowski
I'm looking for, like, graphic artists and, like, video meme makers, and I contact people.
I'm like, hey, are you available for hire?
A lot of them are like, no.
So.
tim pool
All right.
Bobcat says, we've already seen leaked, uh, faked videos used in court.
Remember the Rittenhouse trial and the AI rendering or the editing software?
That's right.
That was crazy.
They were like, we use an algorithm to enhance the video.
It's true.
unidentified
It's like, wow, dude, it's not.
tim pool
T.J.
Reynman says Fetterman had a rally the day after the debate.
He yelled, "'Oz' supported pardons for January 6th.
Officers died that day."
An outright lie.
Infuriating.
That's right.
And they know they're lying.
Because, who cares?
They want power.
What do you do?
unidentified
They just lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.
tim pool
Charlie says Rittenhouse was almost convicted with a deepfake drone video because the prosecutor compressed a video that backed up Kyle's story.
Yeah.
And we saw his folder showing he had this software and stuff.
It was crazy.
Crazy corruption, man.
unidentified
Jeez, dude.
tim pool
I don't know what to say.
gavin wax
Should've been disbarred.
tim pool
They never investigated him over that stuff.
They should've.
Got him on the stand and asked him, like, we're using this editing software, why did you have it?
It's a crazy story, dude.
Twisted Ninja says, remember in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial when the DA binger deliberately tried showing evidence on an iPad because the zoom showed what he wanted and got an expert to say interpolation doesn't change the video.
They are evil.
Yep.
And it does.
It has to fill in the gaps when you zoom in so a computer algorithm generates what they think is there.
You can't add pixels.
All right, all right.
Henry back to play says, instead of ads, I would pay three to five bucks a month for a blue check.
I mean, you get extra features when you're verified.
ian crossland
The edit, for instance.
tim pool
Oh, that's Twitter blue.
ian crossland
That's for blue, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, verification allows you to, like, look at other verified posts, specifically, or something.
I don't know.
gavin wax
It's very low-level features, too.
tim pool
I know.
It's really—are you verified?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
It's really easy to get verified, guys.
All you gotta do is get hired by a major international corporation that has connections with Twitter's HQ, who will make a phone call to the people they know there and tell them to verify you, and then you will be.
That's how I got verified.
ian crossland
Oh, that sounds easy, though.
tim pool
Yeah.
Okay, good.
Before I worked at Vice, there were people asking Twitter, like, why wasn't I verified?
Like, activists were saying, hey, Tim Pool is in these magazines, he's in these shows, he's featured in these news articles, everyone's highlighting his work, every time he covers big stories, why isn't he being verified?
And Twitter never responded.
The point the activists were making is that I was not a corporate individual, I was independent, but I was at, like, trials and protests, and the media was all using my footage.
That's cause for verification, so that people know, hey, this is a guy that people know is a journalist who produces his content, and he's being featured widely.
We should let people know that this is, you know, who he says he is.
I got hired by Vice, and they went, oh, well, yeah, here, give me a second.
Got on the phone, and then they were like, oh, you're good.
Terrified.
ian crossland
That's how it works.
gavin wax
That's crazy.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
Not about what you know, it's who you know.
unidentified
Always.
ian crossland
That's what they would say in the entertainment industry.
tim pool
It's just a little bit.
serge du preez
True.
tim pool
Sakharin says, unban everyone on Twitter and release a statement that all have been given a second chance.
Start fresh.
gavin wax
Fresh.
tim pool
Yeah.
You know, maybe.
Rusty Shekelford says, y'all should have the United Utah Party candidate Jay McFarland on the show.
Could be pretty wild with him being a Liz Cheney apologist and all.
unidentified
Oof.
tim pool
She's a Democrat, though.
You know?
Alexandra Rose says, Hey Tim, will the rooster image be available as merch?
Maybe a shirt, sticker, or flag?
It is!
Go to TimCast.com, click Store, and you will see Stand Your Ground Rooster!
Roberto Jr.
There's posters, there's shirts, there's little flags.
And, uh, we're gonna sell them.
And we're gonna fly the flag, and I like it.
Cause roosters are great!
And it's my rooster, Roberto Jr.
Who, uh, I raised here at, uh, at the Cats' Castle.
Unlike Roberto, who was purchased from a farm.
Now, we love Roberto, okay?
But he's off at Cocktown, okay?
He's in charge over there.
And his son, Roberto Jr., we actually hatched along with Maggie and Bernie.
And then they jumped around the room and they were all small, pooping everywhere.
It was hilarious.
And now he's a big man, protecting a big flock.
So proud of him.
ian crossland
It's funny, I thought Roberto was a lady.
We got a bunch of hens.
It turned out one of them was a man, and then from there came the rest.
tim pool
That's right!
And then we got, we got, uh, my brother went and bought four Jersey Giants.
One of them turned out to be a boy!
Because they try to cull him, but they don't always get it right.
So now we have a Jersey Giant rooster, which is going to be nuts because they're huge.
Very big.
Yeah, but the biggest rooster I think ever was a Brahma.
Like our good friend Sarah Avenberg, who is one of the chickens.
And he was like three and a half feet tall.
Looks like a raptor.
It's crazy.
It's a massive thing with these huge legs.
Did you look it up?
ian crossland
The biggest Brahma rooster, yeah.
The king of all poultry, the giant plush.
tim pool
Yeah, but hey man, I'll say it again.
The noble rooster.
If there is a predator coming towards the flock, the rooster will make a sound, the hens will run, and he'll charge full speed at the predator, knowing he will die.
But if it means the girls get to run away and survive, he will do it.
gavin wax
Isn't one of the French national symbols a rooster?
unidentified
Yes, it is.
tim pool
And maybe that's... someone superchatted, I don't know where it is, and said that the national bird was almost the rooster.
ian crossland
And the turkey!
Ben Franklin wanted the turkey.
But they were all like, no, we're not that humble, Ben.
unidentified
Let's do something a little more...
tim pool
I don't like turkeys.
They're weird looking and they make stupid sounds.
ian crossland
Yeah, but when you look in their eyes... No.
tim pool
Chickens are funny.
ian crossland
It's like looking into your grandmother's eyes.
tim pool
Turkeys freak me out.
They're like aliens with a weird thing on their face and they're like... I think it's because they could eviscerate you, but they don't.
gavin wax
Great plumage, though.
They have great plumage.
tim pool
And I don't know if people, a lot of people haven't seen wild turkeys.
They don't look like the cartoon turkeys.
serge du preez
No, not at all.
tim pool
Like, so you'll see the turkeys outside and then they puff up and spread their butt feathers or whatever and then look like that picture, but then sometimes they compress.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's like, oh, look at that.
Yeah, the ladies look compressed and they can fly too.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, turkeys fly.
We saw it, we were driving down the road near Antietam and a flock of turkeys launched in the air and flew away.
A flock of turkeys.
They can't fly too far, but they can fly.
They flew up and then flew into a tree somewhere.
Ryan Ball says, if the only thing Elon does is change Twitter's color from blue to pink, I'd be happy.
Watching the left lose their minds over something so meaningless would be priceless.
Agreed!
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
Justine Jardine says, I want to be there when Trump's Twitter account is reactivated and unbeknownst to him, his phone makes a Twitter notification sound.
Can you imagine the look on his face, not to mention the temptation?
Trump will have to be on Twitter.
gavin wax
Will he come back?
tim pool
He has to.
gavin wax
That's just it.
Hasn't he publicly proclaimed he wouldn't come back?
tim pool
Yeah, he did.
ian crossland
I think a federation might be a better focus to get Truth Social and Twitter to be interoperable.
luke rudkowski
Trump is a wild card.
You never know what he's going to do.
serge du preez
Literally.
tim pool
That's a fair point.
I mean, he has to be on Twitter, but he might be like, no, no, I won't do it.
gavin wax
It's good for him to be on Twitter.
It's a good feedback loop for him, and it keeps him grounded.
unidentified
All right.
luke rudkowski
He's grounded.
gavin wax
Grounded.
It's just relative.
tim pool
D.D.
Darius says, if Elon Musk unbanned the political, the media will call it election meddling.
Also, I have a book done, Blood Herring, and two on the way for a series.
Let's discuss publishing.
Perhaps, but we're currently jammed up.
We have a book coming out.
The Tales from the Inverted World book is coming out soon.
We're excited for that.
Would have liked to have gotten it out for Halloween, but it is what it is.
Ghosts of the Civil War is the book.
And you can watch the full show.
Season 2 is on TimCast.com.
Become a member.
It is... Shane Cashman went down to Georgia.
And he started investigating ghost stories and the lost Confederate gold, and it's a wild, gonzo journalism.
Hunter S. Thompson meets the X-Files.
It's really, really cool stuff.
Witches, UFOs, conspiracies, death threats.
Someone threatened to kill him, because they don't want people to know where the gold went.
When the surrender was happening at Apatomax, Apatomax?
How do you pronounce it?
ian crossland
Apomatix.
tim pool
Apomatix!
Way off!
Yeah, that's right.
The gold was stored in a chest.
They raided it and took it and fled with it.
serge du preez
Wow.
tim pool
Something like that.
So, look at me.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
But you can read the story and you'll figure it out because Shane did a good journalism there.
All right.
Synthetic Greed says, maybe the meetings is either he's trying to limit the amount of leftists that will leave or by the end he will set in stone how to moderate.
Some people pointed out that the Diverse Moderation Council is basically him saying to bring conservatives in, which makes sense.
He wouldn't need to add leftists to a company that's overwhelmingly leftist.
He needs to hire independents, libertarians, conservatives.
But, like, what do you do?
Because if he hires, like, a couple, like, conservative guys, the libertarians are going to be like, come on, dude.
You know, it's like, how do you... I don't know, man.
Alright, alright.
Let's see.
Evan Suarez has congrats Tim on enabling violence on Paul Pelosi.
The guy was QAnon and a Trumpy.
Probably listened to you, Tim.
Thanks for your free money.
He was registered with the Green Party and voted Green Party.
Just because he's anti-government doesn't make him inherently right or whatever.
But if he's Green Party, that is a left position.
If someone is a Democrat and is complaining about Democrats and they're saying, we want the Democratic Party to be better, but we don't like it, and they believe the government's corrupt, they're still a Democrat.
But we made that point because we believe in nuance.
That's why we mentioned that the guy was just kind of crazy and all over the place.
And it's what we've seen from a lot of these crazies.
It is what it is.
It won't matter, though, because, like you are saying, he was a QAnon Trumpy.
That is what it is.
And we put leftist because he was Green Party.
What are you gonna do about it?
All right, William Wallace Bauer D. Berkhoven, the third.
Solution for Elon is to use standing legal precedent from when Trump blocked the lady trolling him.
They ruled his tweets so important he couldn't block anyone.
God will save us regardless.
Yeah, you can do that and be like, we have to restore the public forum.
So, you know, we'll see.
Justin Mondesire says, 30 million.
I support my family on more than 50k a year.
Most people probably do.
I think that's like the median wage.
That's why I'm just saying, like, it is shocking to me when I see Trevor Noah make 16 million dollars.
It's just absolutely crazy.
That's money that just goes to him into his pocket, and I'm like, what does he do with that?
You know, $30 million you could not spend, like, you could not reasonably spend it.
If you have that kind of money, you're probably just like, you hired a company to manage your money for you.
You're at the point where you're so rich, you're like, you go to Schwab or something, and you're like, here's money, I don't know how to figure it out.
ian crossland
You give me a 4.2% return on my investment, but that don't, I mean, I'm not your money marketer, but That's BlackRock.
If you give money to that, you're giving money to BlackRock.
So be aware.
Start a company.
tim pool
You basically can buy anything you want, whenever, wherever.
There is no service.
There is no service, like basic service, that you cannot have And you don't even need to be that rich to get.
Like the most expensive hotels, you go to New York City, we did a really cool party once in New York after an event, and it was like I think 10 grand for this luxury suite to have like a bunch of people in it having dinner and stuff.
$10,000, it was like 35-40 people, we had a bunch of food and drinks, and it was for an event.
10 grand.
Very, very expensive.
If you're making 16 million a year, you're farting that.
You don't even think twice.
Like, what do you do with that money?
That's, it's just, it's just mind, it's crazy to me.
Mostly, look, if you, if you run a successful business and you work really, really hard, oh, I get it.
But if you're like a dude who can't get an edit button done in a year on a failing company that somehow, I just, it's mind, it's mind blowing to me.
I'd rather the homeless guy had the money.
At least he might do something funny, like make a pie machine or something, or I don't know, buy himself an infinity pool.
ian crossland
Alright.
tim pool
So LayCucumberLime says, okay Tim, fine, I got you.
2022 remake of the old Brewster's Millions.
What was that?
It was like a dollar bet or something?
What was Brewster's Millions?
serge du preez
Sounds familiar, I don't remember what it is though.
ian crossland
It was a movie from 1985, American comedy film directed by Walter Hill, stars Richard Pryor and John Candy.
Alright, I'm sold.
tim pool
What's it about?
It was like they made a bet or something?
ian crossland
Something about a minor league baseball player must spend $30 million in 30 days in order to inherit $300 million.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh wow.
ian crossland
He's not allowed to own any assets, destroy the money, gift it, give it away.
The definition, the description goes on.
gavin wax
Right up the alley.
ian crossland
Brewster's millions.
What would you do with it?
tim pool
Yeah, so you could spend the money by buying property like crazy, but then people don't understand, you gotta manage the property.
ian crossland
He's also not allowed to tell anyone about the deal.
Right.
gavin wax
$30 million in 1985?
Yeah.
That's even crazier.
tim pool
A lot of money.
And so one thing you could do is you could, I mean, you can't own assets?
ian crossland
Yeah, no assets.
tim pool
My recommendation, go to an ad agency and say, I've got a $30 million budget for the month and I wanna spend it all right now.
And they would say, we got you.
Because if you're looking at putting up billboards in the entirety across the country, you retain nothing from that, and you can easily spend it all if you're hitting every major market.
ian crossland
Yep.
Yeah, the movie would fail today because you just put it into Facebook ads or something.
tim pool
That's a good point.
Put it on Twitter, 30 million.
All anyone sees is your face everywhere, but the money's gone.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Maybe they make you spend it over time so you couldn't get it all spent right away.
gavin wax
I don't know.
They do put those throttles on a lot of ad spending.
Particularly for political spending.
tim pool
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gavin wax
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luke rudkowski
Everyone in the chat's asking if you wax.
But that's a separate topic, I'm just joking.
gavin wax
All the time, all the time.
luke rudkowski
I'm just messing with you.
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ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
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Thanks, guys, for tagging me and things you like that you think I would like because I've seen a lot of cool, interesting stuff recently, especially this topical stuff with Twitter getting bought and everything.
Looking forward to seeing you next week.
Have a fantastic weekend.
serge du preez
And I am at SIRS.com on Twitter now, which is great.
I'll see you guys around.
I'll be in the comments too.
tim pool
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