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Timcast IRL - Kanye West BOOTED From Skechers Office As Ye Empire COLLAPSES w/Ian Prior
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tim pool
So apparently Kanye West shows up to the Skechers offices in Los Angeles unannounced and then
was escorted out of the building.
So we don't know exactly why, but this story is apparently breaking and it just comes amid the fall of Kanye West and the fall of his empire.
He's no longer a billionaire.
He's been dropped by a ton of different companies.
And so with this news just coming out, I think it's interesting considering his support for Trump, his politics, what's happening with the Lex Friedman interview.
So we're going to talk a bit about what's going on with Kanye West, but we do have a lot of other news.
The headline, the title of this podcast changed a bit because we're hearing also that PayPal reinstated their fine of $2,500.
They didn't reinstate it.
It's always been there, or at least for several years.
What they took out was the misinformation.
What's still there is they can fine you for hate speech.
So I think most people just didn't realize that provision's been in there for a very long time.
At least two or almost three years now.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, Elon Musk!
He walks into Twitter HQ with the kitchen sink.
So good for him.
He's going to be buying the platform.
Everybody's really excited.
And of course, we got to talk politics because it's getting crazy out there, man.
Real clear politics says that the Republicans are going to win 53 seats in the Senate.
That's crazy.
And now they're saying that Michigan is going to go Republican.
Y'all, this is getting nuts.
Democrats are about to get a major blowout loss.
So, let's talk about that stuff.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Ian Pryor.
unidentified
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
unidentified
Who am I?
That's a good question.
Well, I live in Loudoun County, Virginia, which is kind of the epicenter of all fun things, especially related to the school system.
But, you know, it's probably ground zero in what happened in Virginia in 2021 with Glenn Youngkin getting elected and being the first Republican governor in 12 years.
You know, I joined a lot of parents last year that was pushing back on the school system, on the culture, really, on cancel culture from local activists against parents that were speaking up at school board meetings on things like, you know, closed schools or masks or critical race theory or transgender issues.
And it really just took off.
And, you know, it was impressive to see just how everybody stepped up.
You know, exercise their civic duty to stand up to what their government was doing at the local level.
I mean, we always see, you know, everyone's obviously, you know, focused on the midterms right now.
And in presidential years, people are focused on the presidential races.
But in these local political issues, everybody just assumes.
You send somebody to a school board, or you send somebody to your board of supervisors, or your local Commonwealth attorney, and they just do the job because they're not political.
Well, not anymore, and maybe never, but I think now, these days, we see it more and more.
And it really just snowballed to November of last year, where, I mean, you had thousands of parents out at that final Glenn Youngkin rally in Loudoun County, Virginia.
And, you know, while he didn't win Loudoun County, I would say that, you know, that area was integral in Virginia flipping, but also in really setting off people throughout the country.
I mean, I can't tell you how many times, how many emails, calls, text messages, DMs from people saying, how do we do here what you did there?
But you're actually seeing it now across the country.
I mean, you're seeing You know, you look at Dearborn, right?
We talked about Dearborn and, you know, the Muslim community going out to school board meetings and saying no.
And, you know, this woke culture that, you know, prides itself on, we want to create diversity.
Well, yeah, they have done that, but they've done it in a way that it's now opposing them, where you have all these different coalitions that are opposing their, you know, ideology.
tim pool
See, that was their plan the whole time.
Sacrifice themselves for the greater good, right?
Get everybody riled up.
Be the villain so that they all turn on them and focus in on their problems.
But this will be interesting.
Loudoun County was like a major catalyst for a lot of what we're seeing around the country, especially with schools.
So thanks for hanging out.
We got a lot more to talk about.
We also got Luke.
luke rudkowski
Hey guys, my name is Luke Hradowski here of wearechange.org.
I come here to you with one very simple, trendy, yuppie message, and that is 2 plus 2 equals 5, you bigot.
Now get in line, comply, or else, and get the shirt on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Ian Crosland here.
Happy to be here from IanCrosland.net and at Ian Crosland if you'd like to follow me on social media, but let's get to this, huh?
tim pool
And I'm Surge.com.
unidentified
Yeah, pressing buttons.
That's right.
Take it away, Tim.
tim pool
Alright, here's the first story.
Kanye West escorted out of Skechers' office in Los Angeles after he showed up unannounced.
Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, was escorted out of the L.A.
office of shoemaker Skechers, the company said.
The incident comes after Adidas terminated its relationship with the fallen rapper and fashion mogul over his recent anti-Semitic and racist remarks.
He said racist remarks?
Or are they saying anti-Semitic?
ian crossland
The thing about Jew-Judaism is it's a religion and a race.
tim pool
But, I mean, is that what they're saying?
They're saying that the one thing he said is both?
Or, I don't know if he said something else.
I think it's about the White Lives Matter t-shirt that he's wearing.
Oh, okay, right, right, yeah, that's probably right.
No, I was just wondering if it was multiple statements or are they saying that, you know, talking about Jewish media or whatever he said considered both?
So they basically say he showed up unannounced and has escorted out of the building.
Yo, that's crazy.
Quote, Sketchers is not considering and has no intention of working with West.
We condemn his recent divisive remarks and do not tolerate anti-Semitism or any other form of hate speech, the company said in a statement.
The company would like to again stress that West showed up unannounced and uninvited to Sketchers corporate offices.
Yo, that's crazy.
He's like persona non grata across the board now for what he went on, Tucker Carlson.
He said some stuff.
What was it?
He tweeted about it.
He tweeted about the Jewish mafia, he said, and that's it.
ian crossland
You know, for the record, a Semite is anyone from ancient Southwestern Asia that includes Acadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs.
So if people say anti-Arab stuff, they're anti-Semitic, just for the record.
Yes.
So keep it clean, folks.
tim pool
Yeah, so anyway, the reason I thought... I mean, look, this is Kanye West.
ian crossland
I said folks.
I don't normally say that.
I guess I do.
tim pool
They got you.
ian crossland
Ever since they called you a conservative.
tim pool
Yeah, no, I think it's interesting.
Look, we were trying to figure out, like, what are we leading with today?
And you've got Elon Musk.
He's buying Twitter.
That's happening.
So we'll talk a bit about that.
You've got PayPal banning hate speech.
But what we have here, check this out, with Kanye West, He tweeted a few things.
This is cancel culture.
Check it out.
Look, I think what he said was stupid, obviously, and wrong.
unidentified
L.A.
tim pool
Times.
Kanye West hits keep coming.
Here are the companies that have cut ties within the gap.
Instagram and Twitter.
JPMorgan Chase.
Def Jam.
Balenciaga.
Is that what he said?
CAA.
MRC.
Adidas.
Foot Locker.
Jalen Brown and Aaron Donald.
Donda Sports.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
Is that it?
ian crossland
Donda was just talking, saying that they were sticking with him yesterday.
Is this right?
unidentified
Donda?
luke rudkowski
Well, his lawyer also made sure that he's not working with him.
His talent agency dropped him.
Yeah, his lawyer dropped him, his talent agency dropped him, and now LA Times is writing an article talking about how Spotify and Apple Music have to pull his music, and they're arguing for more censorship, more canceling here.
Yeah, LA Times has an article that's titled, Why Spotify and Apple Music Haven't Pulled Kanye West's Songs.
And in that article, they make an argument saying, If we're going to counsel somebody, we're going to make sure we're going to fully counsel this person.
And you're seeing someone being depersoned in real time, whether you agree with him or disagree with him.
I think there is something to say about something that is happening to Kanye West right now that has happened to other people like Alex Jones and, of course, Andrew Tate as well.
ian crossland
So Donda is Kanye's company, and Jalen Brown and Aaron Donald cut ties with Donda.
That's what it is.
And they got rid of the Donda Academy basketball team.
It was removed from a tournament.
Okay, what were you saying?
tim pool
No, just LA Times.
Here's the story.
Spotify and Apple Music haven't pulled Kanye West's songs.
This is the crazy thing about censorship.
When Alex Jones got censored, they didn't shut down his ability to speak, they deleted everything he had ever said on the platform.
On all these platforms.
There's no record of it anymore.
That's crazy.
That's like, you know that, what is it, photo of Stalin?
And there's that dude next to him?
And then they got mad at the dude, so the dude's gone from the photo?
You guys don't know?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They depersoned him?
Yeah, you guys, you don't know what I'm talking about?
You never saw that?
It's like a famous photograph where it's like him with this guy and then all of a sudden the guy's gone.
unidentified
They rushed him out.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, back in the day before Photoshop.
unidentified
It's not even one. There's like numerous people that he just, you know, de-personed.
tim pool
They got Kanye, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because he said, oh, now they're gonna get mad at me for saying they.
No, the establishment, the corporate press.
I don't think... Here's the funny thing about what Kanye said, right?
So he criticized the Jewish mafia.
I think Kanye West is clearly wrong about that.
I think he's putting, needlessly putting, like, ethnicity and race in front of what's clearly corporate interests that are aligned against him.
But this is exactly what conspiracy theorists and anti-semitic individuals Expected to see, and they got it!
ian crossland
I got a question.
Do any of you guys, are any of you guys Jewish, or do you know a lot about Jewish, Judaism in general?
unidentified
I'm not.
ian crossland
I talked with Michael Maus about it, he's Jewish, and was telling me that there's like a tenet of Judaism, and correct me if I'm wrong, anybody in the chat, I want to get this as clear as possible, but that part of the Jewish faith is that God commands people to maybe not enjoy life on earth, but take advantage of life on earth.
This is basically your opportunity, and if you don't take advantage of it, then you're basically committing a sin against God.
So, Jewish people believe that this is theirs to mold and craft and utilize, but then what happens is that when that gets out of control, it can be perceived as greed.
And that's completely antithetical to Christianity, which is charity.
Greed is a sin in the Christian faith.
I think when people get greedy, that's really the problem.
And when Kanye's complaining about people, he's complaining about greedy people.
Whether or not they're Jewish, I don't think is relevant.
But it is interesting to point out these tenets of the Jewish faith, and I'd love to have Jewish scholars in here to talk more about it.
unidentified
I find it interesting that they're not canceling his music.
Right?
I mean, it's a different situation when, okay, you have a brand, you have sneakers or whatever it is that he's going to be associated with, but with the music, it's just him.
And so, how much of the money that he's worth comes from his music?
How much does he generate for iTunes, for Spotify?
Obviously, it would be hugely concerning if we start saying, we're not going to platform your music.
Um, because of something that you said outside of your music or even in your music.
But if that's the next shoe to drop, I mean, that's going to be a problematic thing for everybody.
When, when you're talking about censoring things like music on, on platforms, what happens after that?
tim pool
So do you guys see when, uh, remember when they banned Farrakhan?
I think Facebook banned him.
Basically what happened is after Alex Jones gets banned, people start pointing out that, uh, Farrakhan, I don't know if for everybody, people who aren't familiar, it's the, um, what's the organization called?
unidentified
No, it's not the Muslim Brotherhood.
Nation of Islam?
tim pool
Yeah, so Farrakhan is deeply antisemitic.
There's tons of people in the rap and hip-hop community and many people in the black community who follow this.
He gets banned and Snoop Dogg put out a video saying, how the F are you gonna ban Minister Farrakhan?
You know, how dare you and stuff like that.
And it's fascinating because it's like, you do realize what that means these people believe, right?
They're just not saying it.
So what happens is, people get surprised Kanye West comes out and says this stuff.
I wasn't!
I was on the ground in Baltimore during the riots.
It was, I can't remember who the riots were for.
And there were a bunch of young black kids who were very, very talking about, they were talking about Farrakhan, they were talking about Islam, Allah, and they were saying anti-Semitic things.
And that was the first time I ever experienced it.
I didn't know, I was like, what is this?
Like, they're Islam or what's going on?
And people started talking to me about, you do realize like Farrakhan's been around for a really long time.
And then I was like, oh wow.
I only remember from the rap lyrics in Tony Hawk 2, was it the Public Enemy song?
You know, Turn It Up, Bring The Noise, that's what it's called.
Bring The Noise, yeah.
When, what's the rapper's name, Chucky D, says Farrakhan's a prophet I think you ought to listen to in the lyrics.
And so I didn't really know a whole lot about it.
Then I see these viral videos and I was like, THAT'S WHAT THESE PEOPLE BELIEVE?
Holy crap.
So they banned the guy.
Because people started campaigning saying, how are you gonna ban these people but not him?
Then a bunch of rappers, prominent celebrities, people like Snoop Dogg came out.
Kanye West comes out and says, I'm gonna say what I feel like saying.
Then he says some anti-semitic BS.
And people are surprised.
Dude, there's a ton of rappers and celebrities who believe exactly what Kanye is saying.
So, I don't know how you deal with it, or I'm just pointing that out.
You want to talk about banning his music, which is unrelated to his politics because he admitted to what he believes?
Think about people like Snoop Dogg and all those other people who support Farrakhan.
ian crossland
Yeah, another issue with Judaism and Islam I've been thinking about is, whereas Judaism has this tenet of like, take advantage of earth, utilize its goods, and it's gracious, Islam is like, do not be decadent.
Decadence is the bane of our—if you are decadent, you are sinning against God.
So whereas the Jewish faith is kind of like, I mean, opulence, maybe not the right word, but they're willing to have huge, you know, a lot of things and stuff and good, good things around you.
Islam's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you do not want to show if your brother is decadent.
He's a he's a stain on the family.
So I think that's part of why those two religions have been at odds for so long.
I think just coming into my mind the other day.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, you start banning music from today's era, what do you do from 150 years ago, right?
tim pool
That's a good point, we should ban it all.
unidentified
Classical musicians, the Baroque era, what were all their beliefs?
Let's get their beliefs and let's cancel them off of, you know, wherever you get your classical music from.
It's a slippery slope.
tim pool
That's so it's so weird point.
Yeah, this is just it.
ian crossland
It's breaking down should be centralized.
Yeah, we can't we need like decentralized music service like it should be a decentralized service in the commons where everybody can host their stuff and be utilized.
luke rudkowski
Well, you know, you know, At the other side of this, private businesses get to choose who they want to work with.
If they don't want to work with this person, they don't have to.
But there also is a very coordinated, organized push to punish people for expressing ideas that they don't like.
Of course, ideas always should be debated, always should be contested.
I'm all for debate, but, you know, some people are saying Kanye's going way too far, it's too sensationalistic, and there's a big firestorm happening here.
There's a lot of media organizations saying, cancel, cancel, cancel, cancel, and a lot of corporations saying, okay, yeah, gladly, we'll do it, and they are.
So whether you think it's right or wrong, that's up to you based on your individual, you know, premise.
tim pool
And all this is gonna do is make him, he's gonna double down.
He comes out and says he's being attacked by, you know, a particular group.
Then all of a sudden everybody cancels and bans him.
What do you think he's thinking right now?
Kanye's probably being like, see?
See?
And it's like, dude.
Yes.
It's just so insane, man.
Yeah, I'm surprised he wasn't able to sit down with, like, the Daily Wire crew.
Apparently, that's not gonna happen or whatever.
ian crossland
Yeah, he said they didn't want him on.
He said that on the Lex Freeman interview.
He said it, and then Lex was like, wait, they didn't want you on?
And he was like, yes, they said they didn't want me on.
tim pool
That's crazy.
I mean, I get it.
You have to imagine Ben Shapiro's like, dude, not cool.
I mean, it's like, you know, Ben's Jewish.
ian crossland
But I do think communication is the solution.
I have, I mean, unless they're going to try and annihilate something.
luke rudkowski
I want to see a Kanye Ben Shapiro debate.
It would be entertaining.
It would be... Yeah!
Crazy, but it would be a clash of different ideas.
And as you mentioned, Tim, you know, a lot of people have those kind of different ideas, but at the same time, what better way to deal with it?
What better way to get rid of a lot of this animosity, a lot of this hatred, than to be able to just to talk things out and be able to, of course, Pin ideas against ideas, let the best ideas win.
And I think that would be something interesting.
It might go haywire, it might go bad, but I think that's the consequences we face in our modern day society, and that's better than just shunning someone and saying, hey, now we're gonna make sure you double down on your beliefs instead of talking you down from the beliefs that we think are wrong.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm gonna have to hit up the Daily Wire crew and ask them why that's the case, because that doesn't seem right.
ian crossland
Sure, good clarification.
tim pool
Yeah, because The Daily Wire, they like poking the bear.
And especially with Ben being Jewish and Ben being reasonable, I'd imagine Ben would actually have a conversation with Kanye.
Ben debates people, he stands in front of people, so it seemed weird to me that The Daily Wire wouldn't bring him on.
You'd think they'd be the first place to be like, okay, Kanye, come here and tell us why, because we're going to tell you why you're wrong.
But to just be like, no, we won't have him, seems strange to me.
I don't know, man.
unidentified
Yeah, the point you brought up, you know, I agree, right?
Businesses can make their choices on who they associate based on, you know, what they want for their business model.
But marketplace of ideas, I don't remember what Supreme Court Justice said it back in the 30s or maybe it was Holmes or Brandeis, but the remedy for bad speech is good speech.
Exactly.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely, 100%.
And we need to prioritize that more than ever.
No matter who it is, if you disagree with, again, censorship only fosters those bad ideas and makes people double down on them.
And when you censor people, when you silence people, you only make sure that they go off to the far ends of the internet where those ideas are even radicalized even more than they were originally radicalized.
This is why I have a lot of prospects and a lot of Not pessimism.
Optimism, specifically when it comes to Elon Musk purchasing Twitter, as I think it's going to help society by and large a lot.
tim pool
I agree.
So let's jump to this story first, before we get to the Elon Musk stuff.
We have this from Grit Daily.
I'm not familiar with Grit Daily, and I think they're wrong on this story.
Here's what they said.
Following PR crisis, PayPal again updates TOS, hoping you won't notice.
They say as far as PR crises go, PayPal's gotten itself into quite a predicament.
On October 8, the company updated its Terms of Service to include a clause enabling it to withdraw $2,500 from users' bank accounts, simply for posting anything the company deems as misinformation or offensive.
Unsurprisingly, the backlash was instant and massive.
Who would have guessed that the consumers don't want a company to police their speech and threaten to drain their bank accounts?
Aside from the fact that the clause is a fool's errand because there's literally no way for the company to legitimately determine what is or isn't misinformation.
Okay, full stop guys.
It actually said, at their discretion.
So he goes on to say, it's another case of big tech overreach.
So a lot of people are pointing it out, but let me, let me do this.
Here's PayPal's actual user agreement.
It says, if you are a, this is current right now, I just Googled it.
If you are a current seller and receive funds for transactions that violate the acceptable use policy, then in addition to being subject to the above actions, you will be liable to PayPal for the amount of PayPal's damages caused by your violations of the acceptable use policy.
You acknowledge and agree that $2,500 USD per violation of the AUP is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal's actual damages, including but not limited to internal administrative costs incurred, blah blah blah.
So there it is.
They're not saying right now they are going to deduct it from your account.
But it is there.
And right now, so this is an archive from two years ago which basically says the exact same thing.
You acknowledge and agree that $2,500 per violation is reasonable minimum estimate.
Here's what they determine currently to be unacceptable.
The promotion of hate, violence, racial, other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory or the financial exploitation of a crime.
So of course, that's at their discretion.
So let me just stress right now...
And, you know, admittedly, this is at risk to us.
We still have many members of our website, TimCast.com, who are using PayPal.
If that's you, I recommend you sign up using Parallel Economy.
Send an email to members at TimCast.com.
We will do our best to help you get switched over.
It's not super easy, but we used to use PayPal.
We removed it from the website, but there are still many people who still do use it.
It's still there.
If you are using PayPal, you need to find an alternative.
I recommend Parallel Economy.
That's Dan Bongino's company.
They got a lot of work to do to get set up.
It's not as easy with, you know, PayPal, you click, you open account, it's done.
That's why they dominate.
But we've got to get away from this stuff because right now, they said it right there, you agree that $2,500 is reasonable damages if you espouse discriminatory speech.
What does that mean?
Does that mean if I say something like, on average, I would prefer a male firefighter to save me over a female one?
Look, I'm not going to play games.
I think it doesn't matter if you're a male or a female if you want to be a firefighter, but on average, based on muscle mass, bone density, and height, it's probably going to be you preferring a male.
What I mean by that is, There are six-foot-tall women who are super strong.
I'll tell you this.
I would rather see a six-foot-tall woman than a five-foot-tall man if I was trapped in a burning building and needed help.
However, typically, you're going to see the height skew.
Men are going to be taller and more muscle mass.
If I say that, was PayPal going to boot us from our website?
Are they going to kick off our customers?
Are they going to charge me now $2,500 per customer?
What is this stupid game?
ian crossland
Well, it's per violation.
And they're saying that if you, one of the things they're saying is that if you incur damage to PayPal's brand, so if I tell people to cancel their PayPal account, I'm technically, they could say, hey, every time that that was uttered, every play that video had, if I have 10,000 views, every one of those views counts towards an instance of the violation of of denouncing our brand, like, I'm canceling my PayPal account tonight.
I've been using it for 20 years, I'm done with it.
tim pool
And I want to stress, it does say PayPal may deduct such damages directly from any existing balance in any PayPal account you control.
So let me stress, right now at PayPal.com, they say they may deduct at minimum $2,500 if you engage in a variety of activities including discriminatory speech, promotion of hate, Yeah, now who gets to decide what is discriminatory speech?
luke rudkowski
Who gets to decide what is, quote, hate?
Why are these rules so general, vague, and to the point where it could be interpreted in so many different ways?
They do that because, again, this is akin to a social credit score.
They know PayPal is one of the biggest online banking institutions on the entire internet, and right now they're saying, we can do whatever we want.
We want to steal money from you?
We will, which is absolutely crazy.
Will they fine me for having a PayPal account right now?
Maybe, who knows?
That's how vague these rules are.
And again, PayPal has been becoming more of an activist organization more and more.
They work with the SPLC, a discredited organization that has been successfully sued before for defaming people, for lying about people.
They actually moved out of North Carolina because North Carolina decided to have a policy where they said biological sex individuals, People have to use bathrooms based on their biological sex, so they're acting more and more like an organization that wants to, of course, play political games and push their political ideas, rather than, of course, just be a bank.
Just be a bank, for freak's sakes.
It's not that hard.
tim pool
I just want to point out, it's funny that this policy has been in place for years.
And no one knew it was gonna but but it's like, nobody actually read the terms of in condition.
ian crossland
It was kind of like when Zuckerberg went on Rogan was like, yeah, the FBI asked us to censor.
And no one really like it was obvious.
We all kind of knew that for the last few years since he testified.
But it was like, I think mines tweeted out Bill Altman tweeted it out.
It was like, yo, everyone, focus on this because that's crazy.
Well, everyone focus on this PayPal clause.
Can they did they say they can also take $2,500 out of your bank account out of your PayPal account.
tim pool
It also says items that are considered obscene.
Obscene by who?
ian crossland
Yeah, really?
Like, I don't even want to start talking about sexual toys.
unidentified
The other layer here is not just, all right, what are they going to punish here?
Discriminatory speech, hate speech, but damage to their brand, which they're saying, well, we can't really tell you what the damage to our brand is, so we're going to put in this little liquidated damages clause for $2,500.
So not only are they determining What's hate speech, what's discriminatory, but also what's damaging to their brand.
Which, none of it's going to be damaging to their brand, but they put that in there as just another layer for them to enforce it and say, this is why we need to do it.
tim pool
These rules are damaging to their brand.
It also says, Luke, you might want to earmuffs this one.
It says, content that relates to transactions involving ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories.
luke rudkowski
Blasphemy!
Absolutely horrible!
I mean, that right there just shows you how much of a political organization that they are, how they're just playing, again, social justice warrior politics that they're trying to push for the forefront.
In reality, people just want to bank.
People just want to use finance.
People just want to be able to trade and barter and, of course, make money and sell money and sell products.
Why are we having to deal with all this nonsense?
Why are they putting these rules into place?
That's a question that I think a lot of PayPal users should be asking themselves today.
ian crossland
I used to feel like I needed a PayPal account because paying online was really a hassle.
I'd have to put in my bank card, I'd have to put in this.
Now, that data's saved for me.
I don't need to go through.
It's like, do I want to pay with my card that's saved in Steam, or do I want to pay with PayPal?
It's like 50-50 coin toss.
I don't need PayPal.
I don't need it for anything at the moment.
Nothing.
And then they have things like Stripe, which are doing the exact same function.
tim pool
Newer.
unidentified
Better.
ian crossland
Privately owned.
tim pool
That's why we use Stripe.
We default Parallel Economy, so if you want to become a member at TimCast.com, using Parallel Economy supports the company, which is Dan Bongino's company.
We use Rumble infrastructure for everything, and you support us directly.
ian crossland
I'm very excited about Parallel Economy.
unidentified
I got a question.
I see a copy of Genderqueer there.
Does that mean that somebody would violate PayPal's rules if they sell that book or promote that book online?
ian crossland
Well, it's only determined by the people that are running PayPal, unfortunately.
tim pool
No, technically yes, but it does say sexually oriented materials or services.
Well, it says certain, but it's obscene.
A lot of people consider that obscene.
So if someone, if they use PayPal to transact for that, wait, can't you use PayPal for Amazon or no?
Can you?
ian crossland
I think so.
unidentified
Yeah, I think you can.
tim pool
Oh, we got a problem here, PayPal.
Amazon is outright violating your policies because Amazon sells a whole lot.
unidentified
I haven't used it in a while, but I'm going to do it right now and see if I can pull up a PayPal.
Cool.
ian crossland
Man, I've had PayPal for 20 years.
Why are these companies getting political?
tim pool
PayPal's always been bad.
ian crossland
Well, Elon started the thing.
Elon and what's his name?
luke rudkowski
Peter Thiel.
ian crossland
Peter Thiel.
That's how they exploded onto the scene.
luke rudkowski
Well, that's how they got a lot of their original money.
tim pool
Can you buy using PayPal, Ian, on Amazon?
You gotta be able to, right?
ian crossland
I don't think so.
I don't know.
luke rudkowski
I'm not sure.
There's also a lot of gun accessories on Amazon as well that are available to purchase.
But I think a lot of this correlates with the ESG score.
It could be people at PayPal being like, hey, we want more investment money.
Hey, we want more Federal Reserve BlackRock money.
Hey, how do we do that?
Let's just do exactly what they want us to do and implement the ESG social credit score system where of course we comply, we push all the woke nonsense, we push all the politicking onto the individuals and we make sure that of course we play along with the game that the globalists and other centralized bankers want us to play.
ian crossland
I do not see PayPal on Amazon, to be honest.
Maybe not.
tim pool
Maybe not.
Because otherwise they'd be violating their own policies.
Let's talk about the solutions, man.
Solutions, baby.
Let's take a look at this story here.
From TimCast.com, Elon Musk tweets video entering Twitter headquarters, updates bio to chief twit As deal nears closing, this is huge.
Let me, let's see if I can, uh, you can't really see the video, it's very small.
But it's just, uh, Elon Musk laughing as he carries a sink into Twitter.
And he says, entering Twitter HQ, let that sink in.
Haha.
unidentified
Now I get it.
Wow.
ian crossland
He's the cheesiest dad jokes, man.
But he earned it.
So, he's not throwing the kitchen sink at it.
This is about let it sink in.
This is all for the joke?
unidentified
I guess.
ian crossland
Is he gonna wash the dishes?
Is he gonna clean the place up?
tim pool
I mean, is it all these... He's gonna fire 75% of the staff.
ian crossland
Did you see the demands?
They sent a demand to Elon Musk.
Yeah, they were ludicrous.
But they weren't asking him to do stuff.
They were just demanding that he does stuff.
luke rudkowski
What were the demands?
tim pool
Don't fire us.
luke rudkowski
Let us work from home, I think, was another one.
tim pool
Don't be racist, was one of them.
ian crossland
Don't stop us from working from home.
tim pool
Don't be politically biased.
That was my favorite one.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
See, that's exactly what it is.
Colin Wright tweeted this.
He was like, it's going to be funny when all the woke left flip and now demand the government intervene to stop private companies from setting their own rules.
ian crossland
Demand preservance of benefits.
Demand leadership, ensure fair severance for all workers.
Demand, transparent, prompt, thoughtful communication around the working conditions.
Some of these you would think he's going to do anyway, but as soon as you start demanding of your owner, like what?
tim pool
You know what he should do?
He should turn off Twitter from like, I don't know what, like five to seven every night.
He just turns it off.
unidentified
That'd be great.
tim pool
And it's like, everybody, you have to watch something else.
You can't use Twitter.
luke rudkowski
Go read a book.
tim pool
Go read a book.
Yeah, he turns it off for two hours.
Calm down, everybody.
And then everyone just starts like shaking and they're getting, ah!
No, if he did that, they just go to Instagram or something.
ian crossland
Oh, they demand that he preserves the current headcount.
They demand that he doesn't fire them.
What in the heck kind of demand is that?
tim pool
You know, I'm really jealous of Elon Musk.
You know why?
Because he gets to fire these people.
Like, just imagine how much fun that would be.
Imagine you're Elon and you walk into Twitter HQ, and you get to walk through the whole building.
You're a billionaire, so you can fly in a private jet to any one of your satellite offices, and you get to walk through and just look someone right in the eye and go, you.
Get out.
That's lucky, you know?
unidentified
These people making the demands, I mean, what were their home lives like when they were kids?
Were they making demands of their parents?
Were their parents, you know, just fully saying, sure, probably, yeah, right?
I mean, we see lots of parents doing that.
tim pool
Snowplow parenting.
When the parents bulldoze everything out of the path of the kid, so these kids grew up with no obstacles, and they expect to be handed everything.
That's why they're confused the government isn't just giving them free food.
It's why they say things like, there's more empty houses than homeless people, so let's just put them in the empty houses.
And then you're like, do you know what 1 plus 1 equals?
You put a mentally ill person in a house.
How long until the house burns down, falls apart?
Who's supporting or sustaining it?
Who's paying taxes?
Who's funding it?
Who's going to cover the cost of the fire department?
These people don't think these things through!
And it's because their parents walk them through everything without giving them any obstacles.
luke rudkowski
And participation trophies everywhere they go.
ian crossland
One of the things Elon's talked about is not letting people remote into work as much and I worked social media and I found like that was the best part of the job was being able to work from home on my own time limit and we didn't have to be in the office together so it was like and then we actually we got an office in Brooklyn and it was just an expenditure we didn't need it we found out after a year we're like why do we even have this thing we don't need it So, I don't know.
I hope that he's open to letting people work remote, but he thinks that... I think what he said is that if people aren't there to have oversight over, that they don't work properly, and that might be a good argument.
tim pool
Why let people work remote?
I mean, I understand there's some circumstances where it's probably fine, but most people probably shouldn't.
ian crossland
Commuting is lengthy, it's time-consuming and expensive.
tim pool
Too bad.
ian crossland
And so is having an office if you don't need one.
tim pool
If you don't want to be here, you probably shouldn't be.
That's what I always say.
So, you know, if there's somebody who's like, man, I want to work at the company, but I'd rather not be there, I'll be like, well, then you're not going to work here.
I don't get it.
Like, you want people who are passionate about the project they're working on.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, for sure.
tim pool
So right now you have Millennials and Gen Z quiet quitting.
Have you guys heard of this?
Yeah, they're basically like, it's a combination of ideas.
One way I've heard it described when they're trying to make it politically correct is, it's not not working.
It's just doing exactly what you're asked.
And it's like, okay, well, that's nothing.
That's called doing your job.
What we're saying is don't go above and beyond.
It's like, okay, yeah, well, no one's making you do that.
Some might ask you, but if you don't want to, fine.
But typically, quiet quitting was referring to people who were quitting working without saying anything to keep getting paid as long as possible until they got fired.
That's the mentality of these people.
So, that's what's happening right now at Twitter.
A good majority of people who work there probably do not do work.
Wasn't that the Veritas thing?
That audio where someone's like, I work four hours a week?
luke rudkowski
This is going to be very exciting.
I'm optimistic about this.
I'm skeptical, because the man still wants to sell robots and put brain chips inside of your skull.
But at the same time, he did tweet today that he's, quote, a big fan of citizen journalism.
He also tweeted how citizen journalism is dismantling the establishment bias, and then went on a tirade and went as far as to even call the New York Times a, quote, chaotic actor causing problems in our society.
So he didn't say that exactly.
He said that, you know, Just in the general sense of what he was saying here so so I'm excited for what he's going to be doing.
I'm excited for the opportunities that are going to be presented because he's he's essentially promising free speech.
He's essentially saying hey the establishment has gotten it wrong.
A lot of people have been censored before we need free speech more than ever.
I'm willing to put.
Billions of dollars into this.
What's going to be the result of this?
I don't know.
I hope it's going to at least help mend a lot of the bigger problems in our society, because I think it can, because the larger divide and conquer agenda that has been pushed on everyone, the larger disinformation, the larger censorship efforts have been causing a net negative towards our society.
You could solve all of that just by allowing people to talk freely, and with him already cheering on citizen journalism, independent journalism, trying to, of course, promote people who are trying to hold big powers accountable, highlights how this could potentially be something that could be amazing and world-changing.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think that one of the things that'll happen is that Twitter, Parler, when Kanye buys Parler, and Mines, with Bill Altman's Mines, are going to federate and interoperate, start to interoperate, along with Rumble, Chris Pavlovsky's Rumble, which is already working with Starlink to interlink their servers and Starlink's networking capabilities to get global internet.
And actually, Solar internet.
Like, we're gonna have a planet-to-planet.
We're gonna have interplanetary internet.
And you have all these networks start to be able to interoperate.
tim pool
Jack Dorsey wants Twitter to be a protocol.
Meaning that you're unbannable, it's decentralized, everybody can post, no one has control over what you say.
And the only thing that can happen is if it's illegal, then the police can deal with it.
If Elon Musk does implement that, we know that Jack Dorsey was talking with him behind the scenes before he decided to buy this, then there's a strong possibility Elon does move towards making it a protocol.
It does then merge, in a sense, with Mines as a node, or with Rumble, Gab, Parler, TruthSocial even.
And then the way it would work is, and this is the way it absolutely should be, you have a Twitter account.
It's Twitter servers.
So they could ban you on their server.
But if you turn it into a protocol, your username goes onto whichever server you want it to be on.
So if you're using Gab's servers, you know they're not going to ban you unless you dock someone or violate or break the law.
So you're like, I'd rather be hosted there.
But I'm on Twitter.
I can follow Ian at Gab.com.
And then I get Ian's tweets on Twitter, even though he's posting on Gab.
And Twitter has no say in it.
It's almost like reverse RSS, I suppose.
ian crossland
It could be.
tim pool
That's the way it should be.
luke rudkowski
He's also talking about allowing end-to-end encryption when it comes to private messages.
And as an independent content creator, as an independent journalist, I'm going to pretty much go all in.
I'm going to invest my time, and I think this is going to also move the market in a way that I think is worth talking about.
Because if you have a platform Providing free speech, providing something that all the other big tech social media platforms aren't providing, he's going to push the needle.
He's going to be very competitive in the market because now Facebook, Instagram, all these other large corporations, Google, YouTube, we're going to be looking at him like, hey, we can't hide the cat in the bag anymore.
Hey, you know, these ideas are still being expressed.
They're not being censored here.
The more we censor them, the more obvious it becomes.
Because now on Twitter, we have a platform that, of course, is allowing the truth to actually get out there, allowing real conversations to get out there without an algorithm, without bannings, without censorship, without restrictions on speech.
This is going to, I think, in my opinion, if this is done as Elon Musk says he wants it to be done, shift the market in a net positive when it comes to overall freedoms and speech.
tim pool
I just gotta throw this out there because I would be, I have to.
Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, me, let's talk about Twitter's rules, censorship.
It'll be the Twitter Rogan episode 2.0.
I obviously, you know, I'd love to make that happen because I'm the lowest on the totem
pole of them.
Elon, of course, the richest guy on the planet, Joe Rogan, the biggest podcast on the planet, and then the little old me.
So I'll say, you know, hey, come on guys, like, let's get a show going.
I'd imagine they probably care very little, but I do think it would be really epic to sit down and discuss Twitter's internal policies, plans, bias, censorship.
Imagine this.
If you guys watched when I was on Joe Rogan, this was back in like 2019 with Vijay Gowdy and Jack Dorsey, and everything I said and everything they said, give Elon Musk a month or two of actually going through the internals, then sitting back down and saying, okay Elon, which of what they said was true and which of what they said was a lie?
And then have Elon just be like, oh they said this, That was a lie.
They said this, that was a lie.
And then to go through policy, procedure, philosophy, ideology, it would be incredible.
luke rudkowski
But we're also going to find out what was, I think this is a big possibility, finding out how else was Twitter manipulated.
We're going to find out about the bots.
We're going to find out what they were doing.
We're going to find out about their algorithm.
We're going to see what an uncontrolled social media platform is, unless the FBI, DOJ, and U.S.
intelligence agencies come to Elon Musk and kind of proverbially put the gun to him and say, hey, you're going to do what we want you to do.
tim pool
Look at this, Drew Hernandez says, apparently leftists are fleeing to this new Twitter alternative called Tribal Social Network.
unidentified
Wow, dude.
tim pool
They've posted that they don't censor, they just have an algorithm that bans bigotry.
unidentified
It's like, okay dude, like, go for it, I don't care.
luke rudkowski
So you could say 2 plus 2 equals 5?
tim pool
That's right.
luke rudkowski
All right.
I don't know.
It's entertaining.
ian crossland
I want to piggyback off of your idea from earlier, Tim, about being able to log into your Twitter account and follow me on Mines, for instance.
And I think it'll even be better than that in that you'll be able to log... Basically, your account will be your wallet.
It'll be like your crypto wallet, like a MetaMask account or something like that.
And you'll log into social networks with your wallet.
And that will also help you bypass things like PayPal, or your bank like a banks and things like that these these weird like top-down authority figures trying to eyeball your accounts and it'll it'll it'll create kind of a parallel economy so to speak a parallel culture yeah for sure it's like the fist coming breaking out of the ground of dirt you know it's it's awesome
tim pool
I'm down.
Alright, let's talk politics, man.
Let's get into it, because last night we sat here begrudgingly listening to John Fetterman fail to speak.
Terrible.
It was horrifying.
It was horrifying.
And now we have this from TimCast.com.
Supporters double down on Fetterman.
Accused critics of ableism and bullying.
Did you guys see the view clips?
When they were like, I thought the Hippocratic Oath was do no harm.
Dr. Oz was bullying Fetterman.
Bullying?
He was having a debate.
It's a political debate.
He's supposed to be like, you're wrong, John.
At any point, did Dr. Oz say Fetterman has brain damage?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
What are they talking about?
These people have lost the plot.
They're willing to put in a guy who clearly, his brain does not work.
Welcome to modern politics.
I suppose they hate you so much.
And I mean this.
There's not an emotional dig or anything.
It's factual.
They hate Republicans.
They hate Trump.
They hate MAGA to the degree that they would vote for someone like John Fetterman.
luke rudkowski
Did you watch the debate?
unidentified
Oh, I absolutely watched the debate.
It was tough to watch.
I mean, you know, we're talking about somebody that's gonna be one of a hundred senators in the United States Senate, potentially, that said he's going to vote, you know, to break the filibuster, to end the legislative filibuster.
And this is someone who cannot answer a question on his point of view for fracking and explain Were you lying then?
Are you lying now?
Or did your position evolve?
We got no answer.
I mean, we got a long pause, no answer, and for people to say, well, it's ableism.
I mean, the same people that said, you know, when Mike Pence was debating Kamala Harris, you know, if he challenged her on something, well, then that was mansplaining.
It's the same thing if you're conservative, and you actually argue your points, and they can somehow, you know, turn it into, well, we really can't argue what you said, or that argument isn't really gonna work, so we're gonna, you know, say you're mansplaining, you're an ableist, you're racist, you're insurrectionist, whatever.
I mean, just pick from the cookie jar of things that are out there.
ian crossland
What is ableism?
tim pool
It's discrimination against someone who is differently abled.
luke rudkowski
I'm gonna make an ableist t-shirt out of all these discussions about ableists.
2 plus 2 equals 5, you ableist.
tim pool
I'm gonna make an able fold shirt that only has like one or no sleeves.
unidentified
Well, as I understand ableism, it's... I wasn't supposed to be a joke.
tim pool
I'm like, are there people who have, like, one arm?
You know, do they wear shirts with an empty sleeve?
Like, are there shirts that just don't have one?
I mean, that'd be cool, right?
ian crossland
It would be cool, actually.
tim pool
Yeah, able... not ableist?
What's... I guess that... Yeah, that's the thing.
ian crossland
They're still able.
Those people are still able.
The whole disabled, like, yeah, things might be more challenging, but you're still able.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
You know, you still got your abilities.
tim pool
But that's the PC idea.
Disabled just referred to someone who has a disability.
ian crossland
They used to call them cripple.
I mean, the word... They call them invalids.
Yeah, the words have evolved over the years.
tim pool
George Carlin nailed it.
You guys ever see that bit where he's like, post-traumatic stress disorder.
We used to call it shell shock.
But then the words keep getting more and more verbose, the phrases get longer and longer.
I think he mentions invalid.
But then people are like, no, no, no, you can't say that.
That means invalid.
We can't say that.
So then they create new words like retarded, but then apparently those become offensive.
And now there's disabled, meaning you have a disability.
It just meant like you didn't have, your hand was injured, your foot was injured, your eye, your ear, because on average, a person has two eyes, two ears, two arms, two feet, two legs, et cetera.
And now that's offensive.
So now it's, you're not disabled.
You're just differently abled.
That's not true, man.
Come on.
This PC is so dumb.
If the average person has two hands, and then someone loses a hand that's not differently abled, it's disabled.
What's the deal?
I guess if someone's born with three hands, they're more abled?
Whatever.
ian crossland
It just depends on how society's geared to function, because if you have like 27 hands, that's a form of a disability, because it'd be hard to navigate.
unidentified
No way!
Well the PC progression language...
tim pool
You could climb trees and stuff.
unidentified
You nailed it, right?
So I remember 20 years ago, I'm in law school, reading a case, Oliver Wendell Holmes, he's
going through the categories of mentally disabled people at the time, at the time which is,
you know, the early 1900s, and you had moron, idiot, and imbecile.
And those are the three different categories.
But then they became associated with, you know, you can't use those anymore.
So then they came up with the term mentally retarded, right?
That eventually, now you can't use that.
So we move on to something else.
And then whatever we're on now... Neurodivergent.
Yeah, you're not going to be able to use that in 20 years.
That's going to be over, you know, that's going to be over too.
So we'll find out a new term.
tim pool
Well, so neurodivergent is what they use for mental ailments, but the problem with that is divergent implies not normal, so you can't say that.
I'm setting it early.
Let's make neurodivergent extremely offensive because it implies there are people who are not normal.
You're not divergent.
You are the way God created you, right?
unidentified
There's no word you can use for anything where you cannot find something offensive.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
unidentified
If you're one of those people that are perpetually offended, you're going to get offended by every word that is either in the dictionary now or will be in the next, you know, millennia.
tim pool
My favorite was, uh, Wimixen and women.
Do you know about the Wimixen thing?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
So it's woman, but... Oh, yeah, yeah.
Instead of E-N, it's X-N, and they said the X means it's inclusive of all Women, and then people were like, what do you mean inclusive all women?
Women are women.
And they were like, oh, but like, Wemexin means, you know, like, women of color and trans women.
And then other leftists were like, are you saying that they aren't women and don't just fall under the word woman?
And then fighting broke out.
One organization said not using the X was offensive.
The other said using it was offensive.
Then somebody used an I, then somebody used a Y, and then here we are.
Got no idea.
This is, look, this is idle hands, devil's playground.
These people have nothing to do with their lives.
They have no skills, no talents, no passions.
So they make up fake garbage to fight for because they have nothing else.
They have no great war.
They have no great challenge.
That's it.
Many of them don't have kids.
If they had kids, they'd be too busy to be doing these things.
luke rudkowski
They need a boogeyman.
If they don't have a boogeyman, they have no one to fight.
And since, you know, there's a more demand for sexism, racism, than there actually is supply of it, and I think that's very clear, especially with this latest kind of bastardization of our language, especially when you see just how Newspeak it is, how Orwellian it is, exactly almost from 1984.
But back on the Fetterman kind of topic... Did you see this real quick?
unidentified
No, I didn't.
tim pool
That Fetterman blamed the captioning device?
luke rudkowski
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Okay, I'm just going to say it, because I've been saying this.
The captioning device isn't going to work.
The technology is not that advanced.
It is hard for computers to transcribe voice-to-text well.
So I knew this was going to happen.
They're blaming it.
Nexstar came back out and said, hey, we gave you the special technology you asked for.
I'm going to put it this way.
Federman's campaign said the captions were filled with errors.
Right there.
Filled with errors.
Okay.
You should not be in that job.
Because there's no technology better than the live news captioning system.
ian crossland
It's like having someone's blurry vision be a fighter pilot.
You wouldn't do it.
luke rudkowski
What was very interesting is seeing Federman raise almost a million dollars from his performance last night.
I actually watched Philip DeFranco and he talked about this.
He admitted he didn't do that well, but he really wants him to win.
That's what he said in his broadcast.
DeFranco said that?
DeFranco said that today in his broadcast.
tim pool
What is wrong with these people?
luke rudkowski
And then DeFranco and Hassan both today were talking about how horrible Dr. Oz is because Dr. Oz didn't allow journalists to actually record the screen that actually projected the words on there and they weren't able to fact-check exactly what was on there and it's Dr. Oz that's responsible.
Why is he responsible?
They're pointing the finger at him because he denied Federman to have journalists looking at the screen to fact-check that it was accurate.
That's the argument that they're making.
ian crossland
People forget how cutthroat things are in the world sometimes.
I don't know, what about playing softball for global political dominance is not a victory strategy.
tim pool
Look, you guys ready?
You got your shot glasses ready?
This is why I've been talking about Civil War for so long.
A sane, rational human being is looking at the facts and saying, please, I want to be correct.
You know, what do I—if I make a mistake, let me know.
These people don't do that.
For Phil DeFranco to come out—I'm sorry, Phil, not just you, but for anyone to come out and be like, Fetterman actually did—it wasn't that bad, you know?
There's like Slate wrote, actually, Fetterman did pretty well.
The Philly Enquirer saying he did great, like, yo.
And he's sane human.
Watched that and went, wow.
ian crossland
Yeah, forget that he had a stroke.
Just watch it without the idea that he had a stroke.
luke rudkowski
DeFranco brought up that he didn't do that well, but he still, out of that performance, came out on his show and said, I really hope Federman wins.
tim pool
That's my point.
They hate you so much, facts be damned.
They would put a man who can't understand words, can't speak, and would blame his assisted listening device.
Bro, if you...
They're tweeting out, as a senator, all you gotta do is say, yay or nay, so Fiderman can do the job.
That is not the job of a senator.
You have to represent the state to the federal government.
They are gutting and burning the system to the ground.
So I do not see a scenario where we move forward as a country, when you have these psychopaths saying, you know what, I don't wanna be on the outside, and I assume this is the inside, so I'm not backing away from this.
We're coming to a point where it's going to be clear as day.
With all the polling, with all the projections, let's assume they're right.
Maybe they're not.
Maybe Democrats really are going to win.
I have no idea.
If Republicans do win, if, and it's a landslide, and we see more of Democrats agreeing with Republicans and Independents, these people still will not back down because they're in a circular firing squad, as Obama calls it.
Phil DeFranco will never admit Federman should not be in office, and Dr. Oz is tepid, at the very least.
He's middle-of-the-road celebrity doctor.
Is that the worst you could do?
No, there's worse.
But he would rather save Federman because he knows he's got leftist activists with their finger on the flag button who are gonna ban him on social media unless he says what they demand he say.
ian crossland
I gotta bring it back to Jon Fetterman because, Jon, first of all, man, heal.
Heal up.
Your family needs you.
Your wife, your kids, they need you, man.
And, you know, do your best.
And if that means that you need to heal for three years, do it.
But, like, it's important to keep the compassion for Jon alive.
I want him to be healthy.
But I also, we're voting for a senator right now, so let's put all our cards on the table, forget about the past, look at that debate as is, without knowing any prior.
He has this past, she has this, he has this injury, like, Fetterman was stuttering and bumbling and vacant for much of it.
I don't want a senator that's stumbling, bumbling, and vacant.
And at one point, the moderator did say Oz.
Question, question, question, but it was actually meant for Jon Fetterman.
And there's a long pause, and Jon was like, oh, oh.
So that's on the moderator.
There's one instance where she said Oz and then asked Fetterman the question, and Jon was really confused.
It's about two-thirds of the way through the interview.
tim pool
And maybe that's why he froze up, because he's reading!
ian crossland
There is one instance, but he froze up on other ones, too, where she directly asked him things.
tim pool
There was a seven-second break in one question, where he just phrases like, And you can actually count, and I went on the timestamp.
ian crossland
It's the one where he goes, oh, and then answers it.
That's the one where she says Oz first.
tim pool
Let me jump to this projection, because here it is right here from RealClearPolitics.
Battle for the Senate.
RealClearPolitics has Republicans winning 53 seats, Democrats 47.
Pennsylvania, they are saying Oz is going to win.
And no question.
They're saying no question.
They're also saying Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada.
There you go.
unidentified
Well, you know, what's interesting about that 53 number is it's bad for Democrats, obviously, in 2022, but it's awful for Democrats in 2024, because that map is very disadvantageous for Democrats in 2024.
I mean, you look at places like New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Montana, Georgia, Georgia.
I don't know if Georgia is up in 2024, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, all those states.
tim pool
They're going to lose more seats in two years.
unidentified
They put up Federman.
He's going to be the guy that breaks the filibuster.
Republicans are going to need a filibuster after 2024 if things break their way in these next two election cycles.
Now, they may not, but you know, this is what happens.
tim pool
I got it.
I really do think there are two things you can say to somebody.
Let's aim in 2024.
I don't know if it's possible.
Do you know how many Senate seats are up in 2024?
It's gotta be Democrat.
unidentified
It's a third.
tim pool
A third?
Okay, so it's possible that we could see 60 Republican seats?
We need what, like 63 or something?
Let's get 66 Republican seats in the Senate and then just, you know, run roughshod.
Just pass all the bills, ban all the garbage.
And I think maybe if you go to people right now and say gas prices, that's number one.
But the other thing is, while you're talking to people and you go like, gas prices are really, really hurting you, right?
Let me show you this, you know, I got this thing here about gas prices and like, oops, I accidentally press play on this video of Biden supporting sex changes for children.
I think those two issues are going to make people jump ship, because when CBS did their panel with the Democrat, Republican, and Independent, what did the Democrat woman say?
I've got a bunch of kids, and what's happening in these schools is bad, and I don't like it.
ian crossland
I was talking to my mother over the weekend.
I went back to her house, hung out for a few days, and Becky, I'm going to put you on blast!
I was like, you know, Biden grabbing young women and smelling them and like telling that one girl, wait till you're 30 before you get into a serious relationship.
Like that's scummy, dirty.
And if I went to the park and did that to a little kid, I'd probably get thrown in jail.
She's like, he did not.
So I showed her the video.
I showed her the picture.
She's like, he shouldn't be touching little kids.
tim pool
He should not be.
But the media is not going to show you that.
It's up to us.
And that's why Elon buying Twitter.
That's an October surprise.
What if one week before the election, Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, Laura Loomer, Donald Trump, they all come back and then they're surfing on that red tsunami?
I wonder if that'll have an impact.
luke rudkowski
I mean, these are loud voices. I mean, there's a reason they were censored. There's a reason,
you know, not just right-wingers, but also people on the left. A lot of anti-establishment types were
censored because they're not censored because they were wrong. They're censored because they
were a threat towards the current narrative, towards the current agenda, and they needed
to silence those voices in order to make sure that their agenda, their narrative could go through it
without even question, without even being stopped at all.
And I think this is why we had so much lunacy during the last two and three years, because no one could have challenged it.
You challenged it, you got banned right away.
This is, again, why I see Twitter as a net positive Possibly moving forward.
unidentified
Well, you know, it's interesting you talk about that focus group, right?
And people saying this stuff that's going on in schools.
Well, look, it's been out there for a long time now.
But it's just, it could never get traction on social media.
It could never get traction in the mainstream media because they didn't want to talk about it.
They didn't want to offend the far left that thought this was all great.
But where it all starts to come out is when you've got, you know, little Johnny with his Chromebook sitting home from school, and then mom and dad also sitting home from school working, and they're like, What?
We never heard about this!
And then people start digging in, and then you start activating all these people, and you cannot un-ring that bell right now.
And so that is an exact point when you have gas prices where they are, inflation where it is, you know, threat of war with Russia over Ukraine, and he's talking to, you know, a guy that's pretending to be a girl in the White House.
I mean, come on!
tim pool
Who watches that and says— I think that person is faking it.
Dylan Mulvaney is intentionally trying to insult trans people and women, and there's nothing anyone can say to convince me otherwise.
Blair White said, no, I know people who know him, and, you know, Dylan is actually trans, and I'm like, there's no, like...
I just don't buy it.
I think Dylan Mulvaney's whole bit, and we've talked about it a couple times, is intentionally trying to insult trans people.
You look at these videos and you're like, look at videos of your average trans person, that is not what Dylan Mulvaney is doing.
Blair White is an example of a conservative, I think Blair's conservative, I assume, Trump-supporting, and then you look at ContraPoints, the two examples, left and right, they do not act like that.
This Dylan Mulvaney goes to the White House and says extremely offensive things.
Come on, like, Dylan Mulvaney made a video about how he's got a bulge and everyone was staring at it.
Like, that, I'm telling you, man, this person is trying to make trans people, to insult trans people, and Dylan's probably laughing every time he puts a video out.
Because conservatives are watching and saying, look how crazy they are!
And the left is being like, we better protect it.
It's like that teacher, you saw the high school teacher with the big fake tits?
Some people are suggesting that was a troll.
unidentified
I saw that.
tim pool
Maybe it was a troll, I'm like...
I wouldn't be surprised.
Oh, I mean, look, I gotta be honest, I mean, maybe society is collapsing, people are losing their minds, but I really think when you look at, there are a lot of people who are trans that are not prominent, and you might not even notice, and they've been around for a long time.
Then you look at Dylan and everyone assumes that's what trans is, and I'm like, no, Dylan is just intentionally, it's a character, it's a caricature, it's a mockery, it's akin to a minstrel show, and there's nothing anyone can say to convince me otherwise.
Blair White's not walking around talking about Barbie pouches.
Like, what is that even a word?
Hiking heels?
Dude.
luke rudkowski
She doesn't make her personality about her gender.
tim pool
It's a show.
Dylan is doing a show.
It's fake, fake, fake.
Anyway, look, Luke, I gotta ask you this question.
luke rudkowski
Uh-oh.
tim pool
Look at this map.
What am I pointing to right there?
What is that?
luke rudkowski
New Hampshire.
tim pool
What color is that?
luke rudkowski
I don't know.
I might be colorblind.
tim pool
I can't really... What color is it, Luke?
luke rudkowski
What is that?
tim pool
What color is New Hampshire, Ian?
luke rudkowski
Who's the governor of New Hampshire?
ian crossland
It's blue.
tim pool
It's blue?!
ian crossland
New Hampshire's blue.
tim pool
How is New Hampshire voting a Democrat senator in?
ian crossland
Bernie Sanders.
No, he's Vermont.
tim pool
He's Vermont!
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
And he's a dependent anyway.
ian crossland
Who runs that state?
luke rudkowski
I don't know much about that race that's happening in the Senate there, but I do know the governor there, Sununu.
tim pool
Now here we have it.
Governor Red.
ian crossland
What happened?
tim pool
New Hampshire.
I don't understand how you get a red governor and a blue... It's the Free State Project!
luke rudkowski
A lot of purple.
They call them mass holes.
A lot of people moving up from Massachusetts and changing the landscape there.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
I don't think it matters what political party you affiliate with, personally.
I want good people.
I don't care what label you slap on your shirt.
luke rudkowski
Hey, I'm still a big fan of the Free Stay Project.
I think they're doing incredible work, and I think a lot of them, especially with the homeschooling network down there, is doing incredible stuff that I think should be replicated and copied everywhere else.
Their meetups, their community is awesome.
Going strong and doing really, really incredible things.
ian crossland
So they're not affiliated, red or blue, Republican Democrats?
luke rudkowski
Well, they're in the local government.
There's a lot of freestaters in the state representative local governments there that are implementing local laws, local jurisdictions, making sure that you can actually get raw milk, ice cream.
That was one of the big hurdles, making sure that you could carry your firearm when you're on an ATV.
And there's a lot of other legal battles, especially when it comes to taxes and tax credits, especially from homeschooling, that they did have very significant victories on by coming together And working together on those issues.
ian crossland
What was the no-gun-on-an-ATV problem they were facing?
luke rudkowski
New Hampshire had some weird law where you couldn't have a gun on a snowmobile or ATV, and they of course repealed it with work of the Free State Project in local government.
tim pool
See, this is what's brutal, is I pulled up 270-to-win state house elections map, only 31 states.
So, Senate and representative state legislatures, it's only 31 states going Republican.
New Hampshire, of course, is red.
Free State Project.
Maine and Minnesota are considered toss-ups, so we'll see.
But even then, it's only 33.
We need a handful more, man.
What do you need, like, 30, 37 or something for Convention of States?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think it was, uh, who was it that we were talking about?
Oh, it was Doug Mastriano I mentioned.
Hey, Convention of States, then we can fix everything.
He's like, be careful with that, because they can use that against you, too.
People can call Convention of States and, like, change laws.
tim pool
They can't outright.
ian crossland
You still need to have gun rights.
tim pool
So we talked to the Convention of States guys, they were on the show, and they said it's not what happens.
The Convention of States allows a convention to occur where they make proposals, and then they have to vote on the changes to the Constitution.
They don't just do it.
ian crossland
Does it go to the Senate?
It doesn't go to the Senate.
It bypasses the Senate.
tim pool
It's the states only.
So it would have to be the Republicans voting.
And then my question is, if the Republicans convene a Convention of States, is it going to be Republicans banning 2A?
Or are they going to be like, we reaffirm and restate all?
I mean, like the NFA outright violates the Constitution.
We just, as a society, just allow these things to happen.
The funny thing is, I should say the problem is most people don't care about their rights being eroded.
That's it.
Like everyone's being spied on.
Nobody cares.
ian crossland
It's that subtlety that people don't, it's when you don't perceive it, you know, a little bit, like erosion, slow erosion is unnoticeable almost, but when a big, huge chunk of land breaks off, that type of erosion, everyone freaks out about.
unidentified
Well, that's one of the points I brought up earlier with like local issues, right?
Most people are not tuned in to what's going on locally.
They'll tune in to the national stuff because it's on television all the time, right?
You need to turn on Fox or CNN or whatever network you want to watch and they're going to be covering the Senate.
They're going to be covering the House.
They're going to be covering the presidentials.
But maybe you have 10% of people on the right and 10% of the people on the left in these local elections that actually care.
And then they show up to the extent they do in these low-turnout local elections, and they're just guessing.
They don't know anything about these people because they're not paying attention.
They're busy with soccer practice.
They're busy with school.
They're busy with their day-to-day life.
But that's where it all starts, right?
All these people that are, you know, running for these big offices now all get their start at The school board, the county boards, all these local offices, and they get in there and they start moving on up.
And if people don't pay attention to what's going on locally, that's why we're in the problems we're in now.
ian crossland
What kind of commitment is it to be local official?
unidentified
I mean, it's low paid.
Like, if you're a school board member, you get paid $20,000 a year.
So, you're not doing it for the money.
You may be doing it because, you know, you're an activist and you want your policies in place.
Or, more likely than not, you're a political climber and this is your first step to the next step.
So, right off the bat, you've got to start, you know, paying the favors that you owe and making sure that you're appeasing your base and playing politics at the local level.
ian crossland
Do they convene weekly?
Monthly?
Is it every day?
How often does a school board member, for instance?
unidentified
Every two weeks.
ian crossland
You do like what, like six hours?
unidentified
They do, they do like a, yeah, about a six hour public meeting.
And then they have committee meetings, which are often, you know, they could be virtual, they could be in person.
It is a lot of work for them to do it.
So, you know, when you have people doing it, it's... I kind of break it down as to you've got the true activists, you've got the political climbers, you've got the people that are actually went there because they believe in public service, and then you got the people that believe in public service but have been so beaten down by the first two that they're just, you know, checking in and checking out.
That's what local government looks like.
tim pool
So should we pay a million bucks?
Will that make sure that the people are there for the paycheck and not for the activism?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't think that's a real solution.
I just think that it's always going to be activists.
The problem is, where are our activists who want to be there?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm doing the show, personally.
Like, you're doing a show.
tim pool
What are you doing here, Ian?
Maybe you should be out running for office.
I know.
ian crossland
I'm thinking.
But I do think shows like this are massively influential because you can get a lot of people to vote the way you want them to vote when 10,000 people or 100,000 people hear your voice.
tim pool
Although, imagine, you know, 10 years from now, Ian's governor of West Virginia.
And we're like, remember when he was on the show and then he decided, you know, he got to do something and now he's the governor and constitutional carry has been enshrined at the federal level.
Ian's running for president.
ian crossland
You know what I don't like about governorship right now is that they can decide for their state if abortion's legal or not.
One person.
Chosen by the government?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
The governor?
Who decides?
tim pool
State legislature.
ian crossland
So how many people is that?
tim pool
Depends on the state.
Some states it's 50, some states it's 300.
ian crossland
Is the governor involved in that?
tim pool
So, depends on the state.
Some yes, some no.
In some states, the way it'll work is the state house will propose a bill.
They'll vote on it.
If it passes, it goes to the state senate, who will vote on it.
If it passes, it goes to the governor's desk, and he can say veto or sign.
ian crossland
Veto, but not in every state.
The governor doesn't have veto power?
Does the governor have veto power in every state?
tim pool
I don't know about every single state.
I think, like, Nebraska is an assembly structure, and some states have, like, a senate.
I don't know.
It depends on the state, man.
But they basically function, like, similarly to the federal government.
ian crossland
I get edgy over top-down authority, but what do you think about governance right now?
Do you think it's, like... Do you like the way it's set up?
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, it does depend on the state, but... Governance generally?
Locally?
Nationally?
ian crossland
What are we talking about?
unidentified
Yeah, I think you need it.
I mean, I think you need, you know, it's federalism, right?
If you have too powerful of a state legislature, you're dealing with the same issues you would have if you didn't have that check and balance at the national level.
Checking Congress, right?
If you don't have that at the state level, there's a lot of things that get done at the state level that don't get done at the federal level.
The federal government will try and get those done, but most of the consequential stuff that affects your day-to-day life happens at the state level.
So if you're flipping every, you know, every which way and you don't have those checks and balances in the state government as well, your life's gonna be impacted.
ian crossland
So we had Ammon Bundy on last week, and he was saying that if he becomes governor, he's gonna make abortion illegal, basically, and that's just a vague, you know, a generalization.
tim pool
Yeah, it's him setting his policy plan, and he's gonna advocate for it, and then hopefully get to sign it.
ian crossland
Advocate for it, I getcha.
Advocate for it to the legislature, then they get to decide what to do with it, okay.
tim pool
Saying, if you get this to my desk, I will sign it.
ian crossland
You think you'll ever run for state office?
No.
Any kind of office?
Do you have any aspirations right now?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Never.
luke rudkowski
Definitely not.
Where are you gonna run for?
tim pool
I will say right now, there will never be a circumstance where I will ever run for public office.
ian crossland
I don't know if I can help people with public office.
I mean, I bet I could.
I think what is a job is a lot of listening.
Like you go in and there's 50 other people that want to talk so it's just wait and listen to everybody.
luke rudkowski
The power is gonna go to your head.
You're gonna do mandatory DMT trips for everybody.
I could see it now.
ian crossland
I mean if you do breathing to incite the DMT rush, yeah, dude.
Holotropic breathing.
tim pool
That's one way of doing it.
Every single person who turns 18 has to go in for extended state DMT.
It's like a three-day thing where they put you on a bed with the IV drip for DMT and then a screen comes out of the floor and it's Ian's face and he's like, you can do this.
ian crossland
I think the Aztecs did that.
luke rudkowski
I don't want to do this, man!
tim pool
You have to do this.
ian crossland
The Aztecs did that before, obsidian ritual, cutting hearts out and stuff.
Like psychedelics?
tim pool
The resistance breaks into Ian's palace chamber and they're like, it's over, Crossland, we're putting an end to- and then he hits a button and it sprays DMT on their faces and they're like, ah!
ian crossland
Luke, do you have aspirations to run for office?
luke rudkowski
I hate politicians.
I don't want to hate myself that much.
And no, hell no.
I just don't see it.
I see more positive change being done by media rather than being in a political office.
tim pool
Yep.
Culture.
Culture is very important.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
We've had governor candidates come on the show, but I've never been to their governor's mansion.
I mean, I'd go there, look around, take some pictures.
tim pool
Well, there's candidates that don't have mansions.
unidentified
Okay.
luke rudkowski
Who's more influential, you know, Tucker Carlson or like your local congressman?
ian crossland
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
I mean, that's a question that I think is worth asking.
ian crossland
Tucker, for sure.
Tucker.
tim pool
I mean, it depends.
Celebrity is celebrity.
AOC is a celebrity.
She's really like fallen out of the limelight a little bit.
The Democrats have really lost any They haven't got anybody.
Like, you know, we said AOC the other day is an A-lister, but it's like she's really not getting the press these days.
unidentified
No, not at all.
tim pool
Yeah, the squad's gone.
But the Republicans keep getting it.
See, this is the fault of the Democrats who chase after the far right, they say.
They made it so that Lauren Boebert, MTG, Trump, DeSantis are the news, and now nobody cares about their candidates.
So, sorry guys.
ian crossland
You think you'll ever run for office, Ian?
unidentified
No, I mean, I agree with that.
I think that, I mean, first of all, if you run for office, be really good, really good.
You need to say, this is what I stand for, and I am not going to let the pressure get to me.
Where you start, you know, compromising on your views, and then you start, you know, You just lose who you are while you're running for office.
And it happens to a lot of people.
It doesn't happen to everybody.
But you see it happen.
And I see it happen all over the place.
Like, oh, well, that person said that because he was in a crowd of people that think that and doesn't want to lose that vote or she doesn't want to lose that vote.
And then you just, you know, it's it's sort of a natural reaction, I think, for people.
And there are other ways to sort of influence policy, to influence culture beyond just running for political office.
I think you have to have that That the right characteristic, right stuff to run for office.
I've never thought that I would be that person.
luke rudkowski
It happened to AOC.
She was talking about how big and bad the military-industrial complex was.
Now she's one of their biggest supporters and funders.
These people are pathological liars.
This is why I hate election season.
They're lying through their teeth, they're full of crap on almost every single issue, and I don't care if you're a Democrat or Republican, there's very few people that are able to actually impress me and talk about the real legitimate issues that actually matter, instead of just giving me generalized platitudes that don't amount to jack-ish, and only amounts to them trying to get you to support them.
And whenever you're a human being that puts your power, your energy, whenever you put someone else above yourself, You're committing an act that shouldn't be respected you ... shouldn't be a simp for politicians you should believe ... in yourself you should empower yourself and at the end of the ... day one person who's going to fix all your problems it's not ... going to be that politician it's going to be you when you ... decide you had enough of the bullcrap and you're going to ... make changes and decisions in your life that actually benefit ... you instead of giving up all of your power to mr. ... douchebag or mr. turd sandwich.
tim pool
But isn't it just so much easier just to not think about it, Lou?
luke rudkowski
No!
Just give up!
When you see the atrocities, when you see so many human beings being poisoned, being screwed over, being absolutely robbed of their wealth, robbed of their futures, No, it's it's not easy because the amount of hurt that politicians are putting on the American people Doesn't amount to any form of laziness or convenience that just by voting them in but I wonder if that's just part of the system the structure of the system that people have
ian crossland
Because you're saying like every, almost every politician becomes some sort of scum, and that's an extreme way.
luke rudkowski
Predominantly most.
ian crossland
Is that, I wonder if it's all of them, either that's a problem with humanity, which may be, but I don't, I want to think better than that, that it's a problem with the way the system's set up, that people, all of a sudden they get some votes and now they have more power than you.
Maybe it should be that they have ability to alter, what were you going to say?
unidentified
Yeah, so I liken it to this, right?
So you've got your network shows, right?
Your sort of mass consumption sitcoms, and they're on broadcast, right?
And they do well, and a lot of politicians are like that.
But then you have your really good shows, smart shows, that are still able to achieve success.
You know, could be on HBO, could be on any of these other platforms.
So you still do have that, but you have to really be able to balance, you know, popular appeal, but staying true to your ideals, right?
That's what makes a, not just a good politician, but a good elected official.
We do have a lot of these, you know, generic broadcast network shows that are bound on television.
You see the promos for them when you're watching the NFL over and over again for 20 years.
That does make up a lot of the political class.
ian crossland
You think there are elected officials that aren't politicians?
unidentified
I think there are elected officials that will engage in being a politician to get to office and then actually do the job that's required of them.
But being a politician and being a, you know, a candidate, I mean, you've got to make phone calls and ask people for money.
That is the worst thing in the world.
I don't know how anybody ever does that.
I've got to pack Out and loud and fight for schools.
I used to have to, I called some people last summer to try and raise money for, you know, our recall efforts.
It was horrible.
You know, you're like, can you give me, what can you, well, I can give you $200.
Oh, that's awesome.
Thanks.
Like, what'd you do?
You only asked for $200?
Yeah.
I can't ask for more.
That sounds horrible.
I don't want to do that.
tim pool
I used to do nonprofit fundraising and I would always, this is what the average person comes in.
So doing this canvassing, they'd be like, can you give, Five bucks a month?
And they'd be like, okay.
And they'd be like, okay.
And then I'd be like, why don't you ask for a hundred?
I can't ask for a hundred dollars.
I'd be like, are you kidding?
Let me show you how it's done.
I walk up to a guy and I'm like, we want you to sign up.
And I've got, I've got like a trainee and they're like, what's it going to cost?
I'm like, I'd like you to give me a thousand dollars per month.
And then the guy just laughs.
He's like, are you kidding?
And I was like, oh no, I want you to give me a thousand dollars per month.
Otherwise who else is going to help us stop deforestation?
And the guy goes, oh, I can't give you a thousand dollars.
I'm like, how about a hundred bucks?
And he goes, I can do a hundred.
And I'm like, You get what you ask for.
That's the thing.
But I get it, man.
Fundraising is brutal.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
That's another reason I wouldn't want to be involved.
ian crossland
I would do it, like, via internet video, you know?
But I don't even know if it violates YouTube's terms of service, but of course you could have your own social network and work off mines and things like that.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't understand that.
Politicians should just be putting out broad-spectrum videos where they're like, I need you guys to donate today, here's why, and then just do like a 10-minute podcast, YouTube video, social media, put on all the platforms.
That's way more effective than picking up the phone and calling random people.
ian crossland
But then they use the pick-up-the-phone system to be like, well, that means I need to hire ten people, which means I need to raise this amount of money.
Because you don't need money to be a YouTube star.
When I started, I had nothing.
I had a $60, $30 webcam and a $15 microphone.
tim pool
You know how you win these days?
It's like, think about anything they're doing.
They're going door-to-door.
It's like, just film everything and post videos.
Making phone calls, buying commercials.
A commercial is less effective than you making your own video that goes viral for whatever reason.
So, you know, when Bloomberg was running, he put half a billion dollars or whatever into this race, and all these YouTubers started getting tons of money, and they're like, that's just... I guess when you're a really unpopular guy with really horrifying ideas, you have to pay for it.
But if you're a politician, you want to run, you got good ideas, you can just do all earned press.
Make YouTube videos, you don't need to spend a single dime on it.
Donald Trump!
It was all earned press.
He spent very little money relative to Hillary and other candidates.
Because they just kept talking about him on the TV.
He knew how to do it.
But that wasn't even him making his own YouTube videos.
Nowadays, you can just make your own YouTube show and be like, hey, I'm running, give me money.
I mean, think about this.
People are members at TimCast.com so that we can make more shows and we're not even running for office.
So, you know, people are willing to sign up to help to contribute.
unidentified
You just got to be better at it, I guess.
ian crossland
It's always driven me nuts how, like, the great politicians are the people that don't want to do it.
They're like, I don't want that power.
I don't want that.
It's not right.
But then you're like, but you have to because you're the right guy.
Like, you're the one that will put it down when you're done with it.
But no one's going to force you to do it.
So unless you take the reins and make yourself go.
tim pool
So Ian, you got it.
You got it.
You have to run.
It's got to be so specific.
ian crossland
I mean, to do politics, you would have to you're up against the global and then you take the military into account.
And it's like, oh, my God, do I want to be in charge of who lives and dies?
I mean, I'd rather me than somebody else.
But.
tim pool
I want everyone to imagine Ian sitting at the Oval Office desk justifying why they had to drone bomb that Pakistani village.
Dude, that's so gross.
No, but think about the kind of person you could imagine saying something like that.
ian crossland
But then you have real threats, where like there's an invasion force.
It hasn't happened really in our modern history to the United States.
We don't have any.
tim pool
Yeah, we do.
ian crossland
Haven't had a real invasive threat.
tim pool
What do you mean?
ian crossland
The United States?
tim pool
Yeah, for the past several years, people are marching in the tens of thousands with their flags.
ian crossland
I would have sent the National Guard out night two.
tim pool
Yeah, that's what Carrie Lake has been saying.
ian crossland
National Guard, man, that's what it's for.
tim pool
Carrie Lake has been calling for the National Guard to go down and stop the invasion.
ian crossland
The border dude and the cartels.
Now, you want to talk about an enemy you do not—well, I don't want to make enemies with cartels who are on our—but we've got, like, a drug—what do they call it?
A narco terrorist state on our southern border?
Like the Mexican government is the cartel, essentially.
tim pool
Or it's like the cartel is a form of government that operates.
But they're intergovernmental.
I mean, you've got cartel operating even up in Maryland and, you know, up in- That is freakish.
That's true.
Haven't you ever watched Breaking Bad, dude?
ian crossland
Has it always just been military authority since the beginning?
I don't remember.
Looking at history, I don't know of a time when it wasn't military authority first and then everything else.
tim pool
Well, yeah, we're in a bubble.
I mean, it's a crazy thing, dude.
You just because I got to say it.
I've been reading about the Civil War and There was no— Lincoln suspends habeas corpus from D.C.
up to Philly, up to Pennsylvania, basically, because Maryland was a slave state, so they're just randomly arresting people.
This is why the four states in 1861 in May seceded, because Abraham Lincoln was like, I'm not gonna allow these seven states to secede, we're gonna use force.
Then four other states— Tennessee, North Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia— were all like, yo, we're not gonna stand by and let you do that.
It was brutal, but it was war.
You know, what do you do?
When war breaks out, everything else is just words on paper.
You can come out and be like, I've got a constitutional right to this, that, or otherwise, and they're gonna be like, yeah, well, we're being invaded by China or whatever, so I don't care.
The United States interned Japanese people, that is certainly not constitutional.
Didn't matter.
War's war.
unidentified
Yeah, did it anyways.
tim pool
Winning, winning.
So, if it really does break down and get crazy, people don't understand how crazy it can really get.
Everybody tries to base what they think is happening in this country off of what's already happening right now, what happened in the past, but you know what, man?
What people really don't get?
Every single war, there's a, there's a, there's a, this technology has advanced in weapons, and so when the next war breaks out, people are taken by surprise at the weapons that are being used.
So, just consider this.
You have the invention of rifled muskets, and even breach-loading rifles in the Civil War.
And that increased accuracy of the rifles by like 400%.
So now, bayonet charges don't work, and many groups tried that.
Imagine where we go now.
Imagine if a war actually broke out.
What do you think we're gonna see?
It's not just gonna be AR-15s.
There's gonna be weird things.
There's gonna be drones.
There's gonna be a DJI drone.
And it's going to be carrying a small payload.
And it's going to fly up and then zoom straight at you and explode.
There's going to be people with microwave cannons.
So like active denial systems.
It shoots microwaves at people so it makes them feel like they're on fire.
luke rudkowski
Laser weapons.
tim pool
L-Rads.
luke rudkowski
Tiny drone bullets that are going to be controlled and just fly into someone's head and blow up.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
Suicide drones.
tim pool
Tiny little bombs.
All they got to do is go right to your eye.
luke rudkowski
Natural disaster weapons.
tim pool
Yeah.
Tsunami bombs.
ian crossland
Consciousness weapons.
luke rudkowski
Weather control, weather modification weapons.
tim pool
What is it?
Silver iodide?
Is that what they use?
ian crossland
That's how they seed clouds.
tim pool
Right.
And they can also use infrared lasers.
There was a study in Germany that did this.
They pointed lasers up and it condensed particles, creating clouds.
unidentified
Now, how would you use that during a war?
tim pool
Make it rain too much in an area that's unstable.
Or block the clouds or block the sun as Bill Gates is trying to do himself.
luke rudkowski
Bill Gates is trying to do a Mr. Burns?
cut out solar power, or block the clouds or block the sun as Bill Gates is trying to do
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
himself under.
That's real Matrix.
tim pool
Bill Gates is trying to do what Mr. Burns?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a scientific project that was supposed to be tested.
It didn't go forward, but it's going to go forward later on.
That literally is going to block out the sun.
ian crossland
You got a name on that by any chance?
luke rudkowski
Let's look it up.
I looked it up.
I was talking, I was researching this about like eight months ago, so it's still in the back of my head, but Block Sun.
ian crossland
Oh, you're just from CNN, yes.
luke rudkowski
What does it say?
What's the title?
ian crossland
A Radical Proposal on Climate Change, Block Out the Sun.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and this is a project that Bill Gates is funding.
ian crossland
Harvard scientists, yeah.
luke rudkowski
Bill Gates is funding this all in the name of climate change and green energy policy.
tim pool
A Bill Gates venture aims to spray dust into the atmosphere to block the sun.
What could go wrong?
luke rudkowski
This is a Mr. Burns!
He's trying to pull a Mr. Burns!
This was supposed to go forward as an official test a couple months ago.
It was postponed, but the test is still going to be going forward with Bill Gates literally blocking out the sun because of A climate.
ian crossland
I pictured Bill Gates literally a hundred million miles wide blocking up the sun when you said that.
tim pool
No, no, he's got a remote and when he presses it, a gigantic metal disc goes up.
unidentified
We just don't go over.
luke rudkowski
You know, he's just an unaccountable billionaire businessman that buys off the corporate media.
There's nothing to worry about here.
It's not like he believes there's too many people in this world.
Oh, wait.
Oh.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is the kind of tech we should have.
tim pool
I bet he sunburns easily and that's really what it's about.
He's like a pasty white dude and he's like, I don't want to buy lotion.
luke rudkowski
He does wear a lot of sweaters.
He's like... See?
tim pool
It's like eczema or something.
ian crossland
More magnesium, Bill.
Get more green vegetables.
That's how you avoid sunburn.
tim pool
Have you seen his moobs?
I don't think the dude's eating vegetables.
I think he's just, he wants to block out the sun.
ian crossland
I'm thinking.
tim pool
Yeah, that sounds so villainous.
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
I know.
unidentified
Yes!
What do you think I've been screaming about this person for the last 10 years?
luke rudkowski
10 years I've been like, hey, you guys should look out at this guy.
Hey, this guy's doing this.
He's doing this.
He's also trying to create microchips that are going to be artificially birth control inside of human beings.
That's all concerning stuff that we should be talking about, especially since we got here talking about The new kind of weapons that will be used during World War 3 because there's also a big potential hypothetically to say that this war is already going on and a lot of people don't even realize it anymore.
And that right now people are dying, people are casualties of this war from circumstances and things that they don't see, that they might be participating in and consuming themselves.
ian crossland
For sure, viruses, you can't see them.
That's a great war tactic.
Food, if you poison food or make food that is poison, that's a kind of a war tactic.
But it's just like a subtle war.
No one wants to be the aggressor in that war.
They don't want to be found out as an aggressor.
tim pool
You'll lose public support.
So you always want the other side to be the aggressor.
ian crossland
Right, you put weapons on their border until they attack you.
tim pool
You know what would be really funny?
If, like, World War III is just, like, the U.S.
is bombing itself and blaming Russia, and Russia's bombing itself and blaming the U.S., but that's all it is.
luke rudkowski
And they have a secret deal, an arrangement, being like, hey guys, we're gonna wag the dog here, we're gonna stage something, but we're gonna work on this together so we could feed the military-industrial complex, but we're just gonna play pretend here.
tim pool
Hypothetically.
I think it would be funnier, in this scenario, if the U.S., there's no direct conflict, it's them attacking themselves, but We were bombed today and it must've been Russia, but it was like the CIA.
luke rudkowski
It's false flag after false flag after false flag.
tim pool
Right, it's nothing but false flags.
Russia is like, so, I mean, think about what would happen.
Right now you've got this story where Russia apparently is gonna blow up a dam.
And so Russia says, Ukraine's gonna blow up a dam.
So Western media says, that's a signal that Russia's gonna blow the dam up to blame us.
Like, this is how insane it is.
So like, all of a sudden, the Ukrainian dam explodes.
And then the Western media says, Russia did it.
It's a false flag.
They're trying to blame us.
Then all of a sudden Russia blows up one of its own dams and goes, no, no, this proves that Ukraine did it because even we got attacked.
And so everyone's just blowing themselves up.
You got to get public support, I guess.
But let's get to the point where the robots fight each other, you know?
ian crossland
I think that's already happening too.
luke rudkowski
Or, you know, you could just deny humanity energy and watch, you know, civilization collapse on itself.
We could watch food prices go up so it becomes too expensive so people can't afford it.
You could stop domestic energy production and exploration, just like the new prime minister, who's also a part of the World Economic Forum, a Goldman Sachs banker, just banned fracking inside of all of the United Kingdom.
Also, the same individual pushing for a central bank digital currency.
Which is akin to a social credit score that his family is also invested in heavily and working on of course building with the World Economic Forum This is what's this guy's name the PM of Rashi Rishi Rishi Sunak and he within he just got in with like two days ago Yep, and he's already banned fracking.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah the entire global United Kingdom.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Yep And they're already getting ready to ration heating oil for the winter.
luke rudkowski
And this is the same person, by the way, that just talked about how the UK is going to be the first place that is going to rewire their entire financial system in order to be net zero.
Oh, this is the same guy literally promising, hey, we're also going to bring in a central bank digital currency because it's going to be so convenient when the government's able to watch, track, and see every little thing you do and tax you automatically without you even having to fill out any tax forms.
This is a new level of Orwellian 1984 New World Order, brave new world that we are all facing today that a lot of people weren't about saying, hey, this is coming.
Now this is a reality.
tim pool
It's like a big do-over.
you know like a big uh you know grand like a grande reformatting that's yeah reformatting um reformat a new a change up a a a a gigantic new beginning a restart Right?
luke rudkowski
Restart?
ian crossland
Something like that, like a reformat, like a rebirth.
tim pool
A grandiose rebirth.
ian crossland
Big rebirth.
I was studying the revolution, you know, the American Revolution, the first one, and I say, right now, because we're in it right now, it never stopped, George Washington would go to the Continental Congress, they'd all go, you know, and they'd sit there and Washington would barely ever speak, he'd just listen.
And he'd be wearing his full military outfit and they're like, yo, this guy's ready to roll.
Like it was before the war began, but everybody knew George was ready to go.
tim pool
He shows up in full military gear, and they're like, dude, calm down.
ian crossland
Finally, when they make their decision that they're going to have to go to war with England, John Adams is like, we've decided who's going to lead the army.
And John Hancock's like, he's the president of Congress.
He's like, here we go.
Give it to me, boys.
And then they were like, and it's George Washington.
And Hancock's like, deflated.
He thought he was going to be the guy.
And George didn't want it.
He was like, this is a suicide mission.
I can't.
There's no way we can win this.
But he did it anyway.
And thank God for the French.
unidentified
How many battles did he win?
I don't know.
I mean, you can count Trenton as a battle, maybe.
But I think other than that, I don't know if he won a single one other than Yorktown.
I mean, all he did was fight, lose, stay alive, retreat, keep going, over and over and over again.
You know, obviously the French come in at Yorktown.
They have Saratoga, which was a big win, but he wasn't there.
But, you know.
Sometimes that's the winning strategy.
tim pool
You know, sometimes that's what you gotta do.
unidentified
Makes you a good commander.
tim pool
Mel Gibson won a couple.
unidentified
He did.
Right.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
He lost both his kids though, right?
tim pool
I know.
Well, he had a bunch of kids.
unidentified
Did he die?
No, he didn't die at that one.
tim pool
No, he wins in the end.
That movie's so good.
ian crossland
Washington won six victories at Boston, a siege at Boston, Harlem Heights, Trenton, second battle of Trenton, Princeton, and Yorktown.
And he also was defeated six times.
Long Island, Kips Bay, White Plains, Fort Washington, Brandywine, and Germantown.
And he had a tie, two ties, at White Marsh and Monmouth.
But yeah, he basically just held the line for the French to come win the war for him.
No one can do it alone.
tim pool
That's the question about a civil war in the United States.
A lot of people on the right think that, come on, the right has guns, they have more military.
But people don't understand that, you know, when I was reading about North Carolina, I was reading a bunch of historical articles from universities.
North Carolina, Virginia, they were split.
They didn't want to secede from the Union.
The protections the Union offered was too great.
There were benefits.
They just didn't want to leave.
And it was only after 75,000 troops were called upon by Lincoln that they were like, that's way too much for us.
We're not going to support that.
That's tyrannical.
It's split.
If something were to happen in this country, you might be thinking like, nah, there's no way this state would leave, like there's not enough states, it wouldn't split, but there might be some states that just, look, I'll put it this way.
Donald Trump wins in 2024.
He's president in 2025.
California, Oregon, and Washington all say outright we will not abide by federal law pertaining to abortion or sex changes for kids or schools.
And then Trump says they have totally cut us off, so we're sending in the army, invoking the Insurrection Act, something that we've already discussed as possible.
Or let's say Antifa starts rioting and then Trump says, we're going to shut down these riots this time.
I'm not making the same mistake.
I'm invoking the Insurrection Act.
And then California says, we can't do this.
It's too much.
Trump's sending troops now.
The media obviously sides all with these progressive states pushing the cause of secession.
ian crossland
You know what would push it to is if they tried to institute a draft for some sort of offensive measure in Ukraine.
States would be like, I am out.
I will not tolerate that.
tim pool
I don't know, I don't know, I think red states, but if Trump, if the GOP wins, we're not going to have that.
If the Republicans win, the war is effectively a non-issue for us and Ukraine's going to lose in two seconds.
No World War, look, I'll put it very simply.
If Trump wins and if we survive to 2024 and World War III doesn't start, I don't think it will, I hope not.
If Trump wins, if Republican wins, well, I'll say this, I can't speak for the Republicans, but if Trump wins, Our involvement with Ukraine is done.
Ukraine loses the war overnight.
Russia walks in and just takes what they want.
It's better than World War III!
luke rudkowski
What are you thinking?
Is that possible?
unidentified
Well, I mean, I don't know if you saw the story the other day where even the far left progressive caucus is saying, oh, you know, let's let's back off what we're doing now.
Then, of course, you know, they got yelled at.
So they had to had to back off it.
But this is not something that, you know, the majority of conservatives support, even those on the far left.
I mean, their conscience is we can't support this.
I mean, this is the political class in Washington, you know, that have been there for years, that You know, going back to, you know, World War II, really, that is pushing this.
luke rudkowski
Was it 20 or 30 representatives?
unidentified
I'm not sure how many it was.
luke rudkowski
I think it was a significant number coming out against the escalations in Ukraine, which is big news and should have been covered more.
unidentified
Right, but this is always how it happens, right?
Where you have one spot, it's like, what was it, Serbia in World War I?
Right?
Was it Serbia, where everything happens from there, right?
Now, not everything is World War II, where you have, you know, a dictator on the march invading countries.
You know, you have conflagrations like this that set off things that, once they happen, you cannot roll them back.
So, hopefully, you know, after November, this thing starts to get rolled back.
Because, you know, we're kind of at this brinksmanship, which we've seen, you know, throughout the Cold War, which fortunately never erupted into anything beyond these proxy wars.
But, you know, hearing thought talks about, we're approaching nuclear Armageddon, or we could be looking at nuclear Armageddon, the fact that more people aren't talking about that, I mean, that's, that's, that's crazy to me.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
ian crossland
It's the first I heard of the progressive Outcry about it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
Who was it?
Was it like AOC?
tim pool
People?
luke rudkowski
I don't think AOC was there.
unidentified
Jay Paul.
Jay Paul, I think, was the one that sent the letter.
So she's a member of Congress.
And then a day later, you know, they were throwing staff under the bus and they, you know, for sending this letter.
I mean, you didn't think this through.
You didn't, you know, either you write it, you send it, you stand by it.
Or you don't send it.
But I mean, within a day, it had unraveled.
tim pool
Sometimes when I see stuff like this, I'm like, is there a powerful spaceship hidden off the horizon where, you know, like, these progressives, they can't actually do anything good.
The Democrats have no choice.
Is there some great and powerful demonic entity or a super being or a multidimensional creature that is forcing them to be evil garbage?
I just don't understand why you can't just be like, the war is wrong, here's my letter.
I don't care.
luke rudkowski
It was the Congressional Progressive Caucus that officially sent the letter.
We should have some of these individuals on with how close they were.
tim pool
Look how cowardly they got, though.
They backed down, they apologized, all the BS they play.
Come on, dude.
ian crossland
I bet there's a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff.
Be interesting to air that stuff.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but I want to know what the hell happened because they sent the letter and then they had to backtrack.
Why did they have to backtrack?
unidentified
Aliens!
luke rudkowski
What pressure?
To de-escalate the situation?
These people are de-escalating it.
The aliens were like, you must go to war!
No, B-Borp wouldn't do that.
B-Borp is going to be a Ron Paul, ANCAP libertarian freedom fighter that's going to progress human society so we are going to be equally and promote freedom and really be the best human beings that we could be.
I'm optimistic.
tim pool
Jimmy Dore is calling him out and the fake woke cult left despises it, but Jimmy's right.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
I want to know what happened.
I want to know if it's like a lobbyist group or if it's a corporate group or if it's an intelligence agency that came to this progressive caucus and said, stop it right now.
Who did it?
Why?
I want to know.
And I think the American people deserve an answer because it's their money going over there.
It's their money escalating in a situation.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
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Let's read some Super Chats.
So LayCucumberLime says, good night everyone!
Before the show started.
That's how Fetterman started.
And you know, this one's kind of obvious.
He meant to say good evening.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Evening and night in his brain.
See, this goes to show you that he is having a cognitive defect.
It's not just auditory processing.
His brain pulled the wrong word.
In his mind, evening and night are the same thing.
So he said night.
But good evening is a greeting and good night is a departure.
It's a goodbye.
A farewell.
Brain don't work.
All right.
What do we got?
Kermit says, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
This is to honor those families who got justice today.
Brooks guilty on all charges.
Thanks for name drop, Raymond.
That's right.
You guys saw that?
unidentified
Yeah, Daryl Brooks.
tim pool
Yep.
Guilty on all charges.
All right.
Cromules says, joined the Daily Wire backstage live stream before TimCast IRL only to hear Ben Shapiro say that there is nothing morally wrong with a man copulating with a frozen chicken.
Well, certainly that can't be correct.
Was he quoting someone else?
Or has Ben lost his way?
luke rudkowski
He is promoting a lot of crazy stuff out there.
ian crossland
I'm gonna give Ben the benefit of the doubt on this one.
But I gotta know more.
luke rudkowski
I don't want to.
ian crossland
Let's go deep.
tim pool
Let's see.
Triton54 says, he speaks in riddles.
He drowns in red.
Can't find a Fetter-ma-hen.
Can't find a Fetter-ma-hen?
Is that, I don't know what song that is.
ian crossland
It's like a Pearl Jam song.
That's Better Man.
Yeah, they're quoting the lyrics from Better Man.
tim pool
Better Man?
ian crossland
Can't find a Fetter-ma-hen.
tim pool
Oh, I get it.
Fetter-ma-hen.
unidentified
Can't find a Fetter-man.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
All right, well, let's read some more.
Amenthy says, going to close my PayPal this weekend.
I'm tired of their nonsense and their treatment of Eric July was over the line.
Re-upping my Timcast membership with Parallel Economy on November 1st.
Cheers!
Glad to hear it!
That's of Dan Bongino Company, so you're not just supporting us, you're supporting him.
We're all here to build that parallel economy, man.
TheGodKingMem says, Tim, I took your advice.
After 34 years of living in Seattle, we're done.
As you read this, I'm driving from Seattle to Dallas, Texas for good.
Currently somewhere in South Idaho.
Peace out, Washington State.
We outie.
The good thing is, the people who are actually moving to Texas are actually voting Republican, which is actually helping the state shift more red.
That along with the Rio Grande Valley.
So, it's a good thing.
I think, you know, Rogan moving there, he's gonna bring a lot of industry, which is gonna be more progressive.
I don't know who Rogan's gonna vote for.
I assume he's voting Republican, because he even said that on his show.
But a lot of people who are moving to Texas are gonna vote Republican, so... Better than nothing, better than nothing.
All right, let's see what we got.
XenoRabbit says, I think we've officially lost the First Amendment.
Agreed!
PowderPZ says, I am Jewish and I 100% support Kanye.
What they're doing to him is evil.
Well, there you go.
Waffle Sensei says, Wrong Ian, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, taught us that greed isn't always bad.
Greed is also what you use to cherish and protect the people you love and are responsible for.
ian crossland
Yeah, pride isn't always bad either, and that's a sin in the Catholic Church.
I agree, greed isn't always evil.
tim pool
So this is, have you seen Fullmetal Alchemist?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You should watch it.
There's, I won't spoil it too much, but there are homunculi, artificial humans, and there's one each representing the seven deadly sins.
So the point he's making is that the character Greed is sort of a villain, but also kind of not.
An interesting point is made about Greed in that, you know.
You should watch Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, man.
Fullmetal, it's fantastic.
Yeah, really good stuff.
Good politics.
Yeah.
And even the original deviant anime version, because the manga, like, stopped, and then they made this, so there's two different Fullmetal Alchemists you can watch.
They're both good.
But Brotherhood, I think, is way better.
Luke, you should definitely watch this, too, because it's basically about the government sacrificing people to make themselves immortal.
So they're, like, you know, eating babies and stuff.
luke rudkowski
Not literally. Probably not far from reality. What are you eating there?
I think I had one of those earlier. A little protein bar.
unidentified
Oh yeah, it's real meat. Epic. I bought a bunch of those.
ian crossland
Yeah, very good. You're saying the second Full Metal Alchemist is better than the first one?
tim pool
So they're both similar.
They're both basically about government conspiracies to become immortal.
Sacrificing people.
But, uh, Brotherhood is the complete finished storyline, which makes more sense.
And, uh, I just think it's better.
But, you know, I'm gonna spoil it a little bit.
It's basically about... a plan to sacrifice humans for... you know.
Immortality.
Yeah, it's sort of, but for power.
For more power.
I'll give you, I'll expand upon it, because this is interesting for those who might want to watch it.
In the show, they do alchemy.
In order for alchemy to happen, you need, there's the law of equivalent exchange.
That means if you want to make something, it has to come from something.
Something can't come from nothing.
But with the Philosopher's Stone, seemingly things can come from nothing.
Basically, as it turns out, I'll spoil a little bit of it for you.
These people who have these philosopher stones, something isn't coming from nothing.
They actually contain like thousands of dead people whose bodies are converted into mass so they can use alchemy to mass produce stuff.
And it's a crazy show.
It's really, really good.
ian crossland
I wonder if someone has a hydroxyapatite crystal ball, which is the hydroxyapatite is the crystal that your bone is made of.
A human bone crystal ball.
That'd be cool.
tim pool
Alright, ThePizzaGuy says, here's 20 bucks for the FLCL reference last night.
Also, I made a video lining up Alex Jones, Joe Rogan rant with Full Metal Alchemist.
Figure you'd find it funny since you're a fan.
Look up Alex Jones explains Full Metal Alchemist.
That sounds pretty funny.
Alright, we'll get some more superchats.
Gabriel Martinez says, Luke, it isn't ideas.
Kanye is speaking from personal experiences.
He's getting cancelled because what he is saying is true.
Who can't you criticize?
I always hated that quote.
People have claimed it's...
You know that there's a quote it's like if you want to learn who controls you just look so you can't criticize and they claim that it was like Nietzsche or someone like that but it was actually like this white supremacist guy it's also a really dumb dumb quote because you like society doesn't tolerate criticism of a lot of weak you know it's like crippled children it's like they're not in control of the world that's that's the argument if you criticize them people would get mad at you as well But here's what I would say about Kanye.
The comments I'm familiar with, he's wrong.
I've already talked about, if he's referring to, when he says Jewish Mafia, 10 people that he is colloquially calling the Jewish Mafia, I was like, okay.
And the reason people are mad, as Lex Friedman brought up, is that it invokes these stereotypes from the past.
But apparently someone mentioned that in the full Lex Friedman podcast, I didn't watch the full thing, I watched maybe half an hour of it, Kanye apparently said really awful things that they're saying.
unidentified
Yeah, he goes off a little bit.
tim pool
On Jewish people?
Um, yeah, basically.
ian crossland
It's so weird, like- He did specify it was eight people that he works- He said it was eight people?
Yeah, in his inner business circle that all screwed him over at once and they were all Jewish.
Those eight people.
tim pool
That's what he was saying.
ian crossland
That's one thing he said.
Lex was like, still, it doesn't mean that all Jewish people are away.
tim pool
And Kanye was saying he didn't mean all Jewish people.
ian crossland
Yes, he did say that.
I think at one point he's like, I want to apologize to the people that had to be hurt from hearing this.
And it's, I don't know, we gotta ask Kanye.
tim pool
What if he said Irish Mafia?
Look, I get it, I get it.
It does invoke these old stereotypes and conspiracy theorists who believe.
Like, immediately the response to what he said is the people who believe that there's a Jewish cabal controlling the planet come out in droves and start saying this stuff.
That's why I'm like, bro.
unidentified
I mean, even Nick Cannon, he said a whole bunch of things, so we're like, you know, basically backing Farrakhan forever.
tim pool
That's exactly it?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yo, if people realized how widespread the Farrakhan stuff was, they might be like, hey, wait a minute.
It's not just Kanye if you're mad, you know?
All right, Corn Pops Hairy Legs says, Lincoln was a devout white supremacist.
You don't know the Corbyn Amendment, the moral tariff, and more.
Get Thomas DiLorenzo from Mises on your show to talk Civil War.
You know very little for the amount you talk about it.
I know I know very little.
I've watched a handful of documentaries, read a few historical scholarly articles, and this is broad surface level stuff.
But sure, Thomas DiLorenzo, DiLorenzo from Mises Caucus, you know, we'll bring him on.
Let's get him and Dave, we'll talk Civil War, that'll be fun.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
Oh yeah, but I've read a long time ago some of the Lincoln letters or whatever.
I can't remember.
It's been like a decade.
But dude was like seriously racist.
But literally everybody was.
Segregation persisted in this country until the 1950s.
So anybody who thinks the North was like anti-racist or whatever or believed in equality, you are wrong.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, we were talking about the letters right before the show.
The Lincoln letters that were pretty eye-opening.
tim pool
Look at the history of Liberia.
Dude, people were racist, man.
Seriously racist.
ian crossland
The Corwin Amendment was a constitutional amendment passed in 1861 by Congress, never ratified by the states, that would have banned the federal government from abolishing slavery.
Yeah.
In the states where it existed at the time.
tim pool
I was actually reading about that earlier because, um, there was, I think it was New York Mag wrote about the failed amendments, and I think there was like 10,000 that have been proposed.
But, like, of course people are always trying to propose amendments, and that was, you know, one of them.
All right, Orange Owl says, Tim, I became a member at TimCast.com today and I'm excited for my first live members-only show.
Thanks for all for you and the crew do.
It's not, the members-only show isn't live, it's recorded.
We end the show, we record it, we upload it, so it's video on demand for all of you, but you can comment and we're gonna be doing a contest soon for our members where you may be able to win a new car.
I say may because we've talked to the lawyer about it.
Because like, yeah, I won't say too much.
You gotta be a member.
We talked about it last night.
All right.
Cork Gaming says, Luke, I'll sign up if you get Parallel Economy.
unidentified
I am.
luke rudkowski
I'm in the process of doing that.
And I have the other alternative right now as well.
So it's all in the works.
It's going to happen hopefully soon.
Doing all the behind the scenes stuff.
It's been in the works for a long time.
ian crossland
For Luke Uncensored?
luke rudkowski
LukeUncensored.com.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
All right, Legomertha Gayen says, I'm a Jew.
The crackdown on yay is idiotic and destructive.
He must be publicly debated for the truth to win.
Muffling the voices of narcissistic attention-seeking fools gives them legitimacy.
It annoys me how this is not obvious.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
I agree!
Not only that, but the actual conspiracy theorists seeing all of this happen are now holding up signs saying, see, see, look what we said.
This is not the way to deal with it, man.
Kanye is a beloved celebrity, he says something like this, then you need to be like, okay, Kanye, let's have a conversation.
And if apparently he was saying he was referring to only eight people, I mean, that seriously changes the context of what he was saying.
luke rudkowski
Great point, great comment, and you said it more eloquently than what I was trying to say earlier.
tim pool
Ryan Brown says, cancelling my Daily Wire subscription since they want to be hypocrites.
That was, but look, I don't know if that's true that they're not having Kanye on, it's just rumors, so, you know, we like Daily Wire.
luke rudkowski
That's what Kanye said, right?
ian crossland
That's what Kanye said, and he reiterated it, but, you know, without the specifics.
luke rudkowski
That's one side of the story.
ian crossland
Don't feel like you need to jump to conclusions in this situation, it's a long conversation.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, watch the video yourself, and then come up to your own conclusions.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm a fan of what the Daily Wire is doing, so I'll reach out to them and see what's going on.
There's got to be a reason.
The Daily Wire guys are not scared, you know what I mean?
luke rudkowski
Well, Ben Shapiro still has a lot to answer for, especially with his promotion of something about two years ago that I think definitely needs to be answered.
tim pool
Did you see his video today?
Oh, yeah!
You know, Ben Shapiro came out furious over the VAX mandates, the policies, the new revelations that have emerged, the lawsuit in New York, so he went off on it.
And that's what I said, I'm like, dude, I'm not mad if someone was trusting and got taken advantage of.
luke rudkowski
But he should explain why he spread false information.
He should explain why he was wrong.
And he should at least admit it and talk about it, because it affected a lot of people.
And during that specific time, he made a very bold statement.
He said, get it, you dope.
He said it's going to stop transmission, and in reality, come on.
tim pool
Well, the New York court ruled that it doesn't stop transmission.
You almost lost me!
Like, opening that, I was like, you think I'm gonna advocate for- Oh, it was a joke.
Congress, Georgia District 7, Gwinnett County, Freedom First candidate running against
fake incumbent carpetbagger, JK, Naruto's Red.
You almost lost me.
Like opening that, I was like, you think I'm gonna advocate for, oh, it was a joke.
Okay, you're cool.
Naruto actually was a really, really great show until like the very end with the great Ninja War arc
when like aliens showed up and it just didn't make sense anymore.
And I was like, what is going on?
And now it's like, they were traveling between dimensions and Gabi is an alien, and I'm just like,
dude, you lost me on this.
That's crazy, too, because for the entirety of Naruto's run, I was reading, as available, the Scanlations every Wednesday.
I'd be like, oh, the new Scanlation's out, and I would read the latest chapter of Naruto.
And then it just got to the point where Aliens and, you know, I'm just like, I'm not gonna watch.
I finished the series, but now Boruto, I'm just not interested in any of the weird stuff.
Alright, what do we got?
Wyatt Caldenberg says, Ian, are you guys planning on making a Roku app for your website?
That would be interesting if subbing if I could watch your shows on my TV.
You talking about TimCast.com?
ian crossland
Uh, yeah, that's what I thought was too, probably.
And I believe so.
Yeah, ultimately that decision's up to Tim, but I think you've mentioned that you want to do that.
tim pool
I have seen the prototype TimCast mobile app.
And then after the mobile app comes the OTT stuff.
So it looks like the mobile app may be done relatively soon.
ian crossland
I'm excited.
I was back in Ohio, like I said, over the weekend, and I wanted to show my parents TimCast.com, but they didn't have it on their TV, so I only had to show them the YouTube clips from Cast Castle.
tim pool
I mean, they have YouTube on the TV, right?
unidentified
Soon.
ian crossland
I don't know.
It was challenging to get to.
tim pool
Carl Schneider says, looks like Elon's going to need to buy $5,000 participation trophies.
$5,000 participation trophies?
$5,000 ones?
unidentified
All right, all right.
tim pool
Where are we at?
Miguel D says, all humans are susceptible to in-group preference and collusion.
Jews are no different.
With great power comes great responsibility.
You know, I think that's, you know, an important thing to point out that every group is susceptible, as they said, to in-group or out-group preference.
The issue that when it comes to things like what Kanye West said with like Jewish Mafia or going DEFCON 3 on Jews.
ian crossland
Which was a misspeak.
He meant DEFCON.
tim pool
Right, I know.
The problem is that World War II wasn't that long ago, and it was, like, really horrific what happened.
And that being said, like, for me, I don't like the idea of singling out any group that's been genocided.
I mean, the Armenian Genocide, you have the Holodomor.
You know, so I understand if people are concerned about old tropes that were used to justify things like genocide.
I get it.
You know.
luke rudkowski
Also in the chat, people are saying that Ben Shapiro did address that specific concern I had.
I haven't seen it.
If you could send it to me, please do on my Twitter.
Luke, we are changing.
I would love to see it.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure he was pissed off.
I'm pretty sure he was like, I mean, but look.
I watched it, but it wasn't at the center of my attention.
I had it playing on Twitter.
But I can only imagine, if you're someone like Ben Shapiro, and you took a political stance, only later do you find out they took advantage of you, he's probably going to be pissed.
He does not like to be wrong.
luke rudkowski
Well, he's Mr. Facts Guy.
He got that one completely wrong, and if he came out and actually corrected himself, my apologies, but I want to see it first.
tim pool
Slick Solomon says, Tim, the average amount of hands per person is less than two.
That's right, because the maximum typically is two, and some people don't have two, so that means the average will be lower.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, a man of all people, arms or no arms?
I mean, yeah, people, you know, if you only got one or no arms, you only need a shirt, right?
Why would you have just empty sleeves?
Do we live in a world for only the armful?
unidentified
Come on.
tim pool
Jacob Wertheimer, long time chatter, first time listener.
Really?
Tim and crew, thanks for all the red pills in 2020 while I was confined in my parents' basement.
You inspired me to be kicked out.
Life has never been better.
I'm engaged.
Please have What If All History on.
It would be epic.
I think we will.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, hopefully soon.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Do you know where he's based out of?
luke rudkowski
I think he's been living all over the world recently.
tim pool
He's been talking about he's been living in a bunch of different countries.
unidentified
He did a couple of programs on that.
tim pool
He did his video on who would win a civil war.
It's got like a million views.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And it was recommended to me.
And it was really good.
I disagree on his assessment, though.
He makes a bunch of good points as to why he thinks the right would win.
But I think there's just too much missing from like... No single person knows enough about how loyalties break down or not.
ian crossland
Yeah, it could be a situation where the entire system is eradicated and something completely foreign erupts.
Like, it doesn't have to be A versus B and one of those will emerge.
tim pool
There could be a major geographical shift in the next four years, which definitely changes coastal and rural.
We're already seeing it.
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Just like all the people that are in the chat should remember that the Californians moving to Texas are not all blue.
tim pool
A lot of them are red.
unidentified
They're trying to move where they're more akin to the people that are around who they live.
tim pool
And what did, what did Hochul say?
Get out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The Republicans.
So eventually you might see states where you're like, they would never succeed.
It's like, well, all the Republicans left.
It's nothing but Democrats.
They'll vote.
They'll say goodbye.
They'll try and join Canada or whatever.
unidentified
Who knows?
Yeah.
tim pool
Mr. Thou says Ian Pryor is just Ian Crosland from the past.
Get it?
Ian Pryor?
Ha ha!
ian crossland
He who came before.
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
ian crossland
Thank you.
tim pool
Talks with Candor said- Get my hair out.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Try to close my PayPal account.
Kept getting speeches to keep it open.
Finally, they try to close it, but kept finding issues.
I have to wait 48 hours for an email before they can close the account.
Mm-hmm, I call BS.
I agree.
Sam Nooney says, if possible, it would be great to have Tudor Dixon on.
We have to get rid of Whitmer, who sent 5,600 seniors to their death, among so many other terrible things.
Yeah, that'd be great.
I'm down.
You know, whatever.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, we talked about that yesterday.
I was like, we gotta get, you know.
tim pool
But we're so close to the election.
I'll just say this, if, you know, who do we need to have on?
We need to have on probably Bolduc, I'd imagine.
That'd be an interesting conversation, because, you know, why New Hampshire is going Democrat in the Senate is strange.
And Tudor Dixon would be fantastic.
We had Mastriano on Carrie Lake's been on several times.
I think Carrie Lake will one day be president, or at the very least, if she wanted to run, she has that A-factor, you know, X-factor, A-lister, whatever you want to call it.
ian crossland
S-tier.
luke rudkowski
Minimum VP.
Minimum.
unidentified
I have Democrat friends saying that, and they like her.
tim pool
Oh, she's... You know, when Luke says VP, I'm like, I don't know if she's presidential.
luke rudkowski
I say minimum.
I don't think... Minimally, that position.
tim pool
I disagree.
Like, and what I mean by that is, like, you look at VPs, you know, and it's like, but you look at Carrie Lake and it's like, yo, she could be president.
luke rudkowski
I don't agree with some of her positions, but she's on it.
She is absolutely smart and brilliant when it comes to her addressing the media.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
You just called a politician brilliant.
luke rudkowski
That's a first.
Well, it's not saying much compared to the other politicians, to be honest with you.
So let's be real.
They do fail in many elements.
But PR-wise, she's brilliant.
unidentified
There's never any upside to VP, right?
I mean, best case scenario, you're just kind of sitting there waiting.
Worst case scenario, you're Kamala doing a Billy Madison speech everywhere.
ian crossland
I think I would like that.
That would fit my personality really well.
Because no one would want me to be president.
Well, maybe they would, but people would be like, do not make sure that president succeeds because we do not want Crazy Crossland coming in.
luke rudkowski
Chuck W. That's true.
tim pool
Chuck W. says, Elon personally delivered a message to Twitter.
Friday, he will clean house, including the kitchen sink.
What if he live streams it?
Elon, please live stream it!
And he like, he can't for legal reasons, but if, you know, he just walks in, he's like, I'm here, I'm in Twitter HQ, I now, I own it, I'm taking it private, and I have this list of names, I'm going to read them off one at a time, it's 5,000 employees, and I'm gonna read every name.
John Smith, You're fired.
Janet Doe, you're fired.
That would, I would, I would watch the whole thing.
I would, I would actually do like a reaction live stream, just sitting there being like, eating a bowl of cereal.
He wouldn't do it because, um, you know, legal reasons, reading out people's names or whatever.
But he could do it on Twitter, I guess.
Because he can't get banned from his own platform.
unidentified
He owns it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
Think about the crazy things he's going to tweet when he's like... He's going to tweet something really silly and gross and be like, but I own Twitter so no one's going to ban me.
luke rudkowski
There's going to be a period of creative genius that's going to be embarked on if everything goes as planned with Twitter.
unidentified
Twitterissance.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Twitterissance.
There you go.
unidentified
Twitterissance.
luke rudkowski
You said it.
tim pool
Yeah, something like that.
How long do you think it's going to take for Elon to just change the system?
Like, look, look, all the moderators are still doing their jobs.
Elon buying it.
Like, is he gonna put out a memo being like, hey, if you're a trust and safety person, no longer banned for these reasons?
Like, how does that work?
luke rudkowski
The monitors will be fired.
75% of the company is going to be laid off.
Most of those people are just complaining about people and then downranking their accounts or banning accounts.
tim pool
I want you to imagine.
It's Friday night.
You know, we're wrapping up the show and we're like, oh, it's been fun.
You know, we're gonna go grab a drink and hang out.
And then as you're turning off the TimCast IRL show, You say, all right, well, you know, let's see if anybody wants to go out and grab a drink.
Maybe your central time.
And then all of a sudden your phone goes... And you go... And you look at your screen.
There's a notification and it says, Tweet by Alex Jones.
I'm back, baby.
And then you're going to open it up.
And it's going to be him in a video going...
luke rudkowski
That'd be great.
With his shirt off, just screaming.
tim pool
Ripping his shirt off, screaming, I'm back!
ian crossland
I'm thinking of it.
luke rudkowski
I could see it.
tim pool
Come on, Elon, you have to do it!
ian crossland
Twitio, if you can, you know, you brand video for Twitter as Twitio.
luke rudkowski
They used to have Periscope.
They obliterated Periscope, which is so stupid.
tim pool
Vine was huge.
Now TikTok took over.
How stupid was that?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, dumb, dumb decisions.
ian crossland
Vine got bought.
I think they sold out and then got shut down.
tim pool
Twitter bought Vine, then shut it down.
ian crossland
That's right.
luke rudkowski
That's so stupid.
tim pool
Idiotics.
unidentified
Dumbasses like seriously he could bring all that back.
tim pool
Yeah, probably well videos where you have to compete Yeah, so there was a report Twitter is struggling to keep its power users.
They're slowly dwindling and I think Elon knows this Well, here's what I think happened.
When Twitter bans, you know, Alex Jones or Milo, it's making themselves irrelevant.
I said this years ago.
You ban the most obnoxious people, what's the point of being on the platform?
So they start losing users.
Now they have a disproportionate leftist base.
The left, now with leverage, starts saying, you better ban more people.
And they're like, but we need our super users.
They're like, well, we'll quit.
And they're like, well, There's more leftists now, and we don't want to lose them, so just ban the conservative guy.
And it's just a downward spiral.
Elon Musk comes in, brings back Alex Jones, brings back Donald Trump.
Yo, Donald Trump would make people go back on Twitter.
They'd make more money, hands down.
I don't think Trump would come back on, though.
I don't know if he'd want to, but he has to.
luke rudkowski
The corporate media would secretly love it, but publicly hate it.
They'd be like, yes!
Finally, he's back!
I have a life!
All the reply guys are gonna be so happy, but they're gonna pretend that they're not.
ian crossland
It's a good incentive to federate Truth Social and Twitter and Gab and Parler and Mines.
unidentified
When I was working at the Department of Justice in 17 and 18, Anytime Trump tweeted.
Reporters were in the same building as us, right?
So they were down the hall.
Anytime Trump tweeted something about anything, they'd all come running down the hall.
Do you have a comment on Trump's tweet?
Do you have a comment on Trump's tweet?
It was like the one thing that would just get them running down the aisle.
It was like, eh, no comment, no comment, no comment.
Just, it was like crack for them.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
Ready to Rumble says, did you just say Carrie Lake is scum?
unidentified
Never!
tim pool
No.
Carrie Lake's amazing!
We've had her on the show a couple times, and I'll tell you exactly why I say this.
Aside from the videos, which are awesome when she smacks the media down with their BS and their lies, we've had a lot of politicians on this show.
And, you know, whenever I get like a message like, oh, you know, this politician wants to come on, or that politician, I'm like, oh, here we go.
Politicians.
I know how politicians talk and how they act.
We've had a handful of people.
We've had like Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Carrie Lake.
They are the opposite of politicians.
They come in and they sit and talk to you like they're anybody else.
Carrie Lake is especially good because she's quick-witted, she's smart, she knows her stuff.
And so it's just like...
Having a real conversation with someone who you feel is genuine.
luke rudkowski
And we asked her some complicated, off-the-cuff questions that I didn't even have prepared.
unidentified
Like DMT?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, DMT, criminal justice reform, war on drugs, a lot of different stuff we got into that I thought was important that wasn't scripted, and I appreciate that.
tim pool
Yeah, I think it's because Carrie Lake actually has thought about these problems and these ideas, actually wants to fix them, and has real opinions on them.
And a lot of politicians will hem and haw and give you a political answer because they don't know, they don't care, they just want to get elected.
luke rudkowski
Well, I think the biggest difference was that she was also willing to say, I don't know.
Very few politicians do that.
They give you a bullcrap answer and they just talk around the question and give out generalities.
She wasn't afraid to say, I don't know.
I don't know what DMT is.
What is it?
ian crossland
Tell me what it is.
Now she knows.
What's up, Kerry?
tim pool
Cosmic Surgeon says, Tim is obviously not a We Are Change subscriber.
luke rudkowski
Who isn't?
ian crossland
Tim, apparently.
tim pool
Yeah, why aren't you?
Are you?
luke rudkowski
Answer the question, Senator!
tim pool
We are Change.
You know, it's a great question.
And I think We Are Change, it's an excellent show.
And, you know, more people should consider being members to We Are Change.
So I appreciate your time and your question.
And I would just ask my opponent here, Ian, why haven't you advocated more for people to sign up as TimCast members?
ian crossland
We changed.
unidentified
Timcast members, no the topic right now of discussion is we are change members.
luke rudkowski
Of the mind of.
ian crossland
Answer the question.
luke rudkowski
We changed.
ian crossland
Oh it's present tense, your honor.
Let's keep it moving.
tim pool
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel,
share the show with your friends, become a member at Timcast.com.
We're gonna have a members only show coming up for you.
It will be live around 10.50, 11pm is usually when it goes up.
You don't wanna miss it, it'll be good fun.
There's some big stories we'll talk about.
You can follow the show at Timcast IRL, you can follow me at Timcast.
Ian, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified
Yeah, a couple of things.
Fight for Schools, my PAC in Virginia.
We're fighting the woke school boards there.
Also, America First Legal is where it's my day job, aflegal.org.
All these things we talk about, right?
Enforcing people's rights, Second Amendment, First Amendment, going after these woke school systems for infringing on the rights of parents.
We do it all.
We're bringing cases on behalf of parents, on behalf of You know, individuals in the country to exercise their rights.
So, you know, to the extent you're dealing with that, you know, reach out to us and we'll do what we can to help.
luke rudkowski
You were at the DOJ?
Yeah, I was.
I got so many questions.
I'm going to ask you after the show.
But anyway, if you're a little bit plump and looking for some motivation, I can't recommend enough.
You check out LukeUncensored.com, especially the video I did today talking about the hero's journey and the possibilities and the mental mind frame that you could put yourself in that I think could potentially benefit you.
If it doesn't, let me know.
Email me.
LukeUncensored.com, that's the website.
ian crossland
And I want to point people, Ian, at your Twitter.
It's Ian D. Pryor.
They can find there, they can find Pfeiffer Schools in America First Legal if they want to go through to those channels from there.
It's great to see you, man.
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Thank you.
ian crossland
Good conversation.
unidentified
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
About history like that.
It's really cool.
Catch you later.
Hey, I'm Ian Crossland.
I love you.
I'll see you later.
tim pool
And I'm Serge.com.
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You guys can find me in the chat.
tim pool
I'll be answering all the comments later.
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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