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Oct. 12, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Alex Jones Ordered To Pay ONE BILLION DOLLARS In Defamation Trial w/Andrew Gold

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unidentified		you you
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		you Alex Jones in his latest defamation trial has been ordered
		to pay nearly 1 billion dollars 965 million to the families in the Sandy
		Hook the circumstance
		And I'm shocked.
		I'm outraged.
		A billion dollars?
		That's it?
		It should be a gajillion bajillion trillion!
		Because let's be real, a billion dollars is a meaningless number.
		Not only does Alex Jones not have it, but it's a ridiculous number to award someone anyway.
		And it just shows, it's just, it's just all nonsense.
		Now Alex Jones come out saying, he's not going anywhere, he's not going to stop.
		And you can't, you can't sue someone into not existing.
		So there's workarounds, and I'd be really surprised if any of these people actually see a penny from Alex Jones.
		He's claiming he doesn't have it, he's claiming he's broke.
		We will see how that plays out.
		The next story, man.
		This is brutal.
		John Fetterman.
		He's running for office, he did an interview with NBC, and he was unable to understand the questions asked of him.
		The journalist who did the interview said that during small talk, he couldn't understand what she was saying.
		He can hear the words, but his brain can't process it.
		He needed a special device that transcribes what people are saying into text so that he can answer these questions.
		And I just think, right there, it shows the dude is not mentally fit to be a senator.
		And you know what?
		I'll tell you.
		Democrats will still vote for him because they voted for Joe Biden too.
		But here's my warning, man.
		You look at what happened when you vote for someone like Joe Biden.
		Because you don't care that he's clearly not with it.
		You're like, well, whatever, we'll let him win.
		Now look at your economy.
		Now look at your gas prices.
		Look at the war.
		Even Biden's saying we're close to Armageddon.
		Not okay.
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	Joining us today to talk about all of this and more is Andrew Gold.
unidentified		Hello, thanks for having me on.
unidentified		What a pleasure to be here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thanks for coming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
unidentified		I am a British, as you can hear, journalist and documentary maker and podcaster, host of the On the Edge with Andrew Gold podcast.
		I look into all sorts of cults and ideologies.
		I think the most controversial aspects thereof is that I consider woke ideology and that kind of thing as one of the ideologies.
		A cult?
		Yeah, I think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why you're here, because we say it all the time.
unidentified		I think so.
unidentified		It's cult-ish, at least.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's cult-ish.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a weird kind of, like, decentralized cult, I guess, that centers around the internet or something.
unidentified		It's got some comparisons to former ones, you know, like the Bolsheviks and things like that.
		The Puritans back in the... Well, I don't even know when that was.
		When was that?
		The 18th century?
		Puritans?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Bolshevik one is a scary one, considering what's going on politically.
unidentified		It comes from like all cults and religions and things, it all comes from this need to be righteous, to feel like you're better than someone, to raise your status, your virtue higher than other people.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		As you raise your microphone as well.
unidentified		As I raise my microphone.
unidentified		Yeah, and it's just, you know, the rest of us see through it, but they continue this crazy, crazy charade.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got a lot to talk about in that regard, too.
		Also, Elon Musk's old burnt hair cologne or something, whatever.
		Luke's here!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, cheerio, bloke!
		Nice to have you here.
		Over the pond.
		My name is Luke Godowsky here of wearechange.org.
		The FDA just announced another emergency use authorization for small children today, so I decided to be very brave and support this action by wearing my 1984 doses to slow the spread.
		Now, we're still a little behind, but I think we're going to get there eventually, and if you agree, you can get the shirt on thebestpoliticalshirts.com because you do.
		I'm here.
		Thank you so much for having me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Luke reinforced one of my concerns that my Spoon was ding a little bit too much into the microphone if you've heard the ding ding ding ding ding So I got a nice large wooden one in the meantime.
		Thanks Luke And if you didn't catch it today, I did an interview with the one the only Hotep Jesus Brian Sharp on his YouTube channel If you haven't seen yet, you're gonna want to check it out after this show Maybe you can catch it before the after after show which will be up at 11 o'clock p.m.
		On Tim cast calm What's going on search?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Hey guys, I'm here again.
		You can't get rid of me that easily.
		I am here.
		Lydia is not here.
		If you haven't heard the news, a lot of people haven't heard the news at all apparently.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They'll figure it out eventually.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		She's in the monastery.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		We wish her luck.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		We do.
		And I guess that's it.
		We'll start the episode.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Serge is here pressing the buttons from henceforth.
		Let's jump into this first story from the AP.
		It's just so silly.
		Alex Jones ordered to pay 965 million dollars for Sandy Hook lies.
		An hour ago.
		I saw that and I just bursted out laughing.
		I think I was on the toilet and I'm like, I'm looking at my phone and I'm like, like right when the news breaks, I was like, is this a joke?
		Come on. You know, when they did the $50 million, I was like, wow, that's brutal.
		There's still I still doubt anyone's gonna get a penny from this because the way
		lawsuits work. Alex Jones says he doesn't even have the money anyway.
		Then they're a billion. It's this is just like, what is this for?
		Narrative and for the TV to say, oh, you know, he lied about this and now he's got to pay one billion dollars.
		It reminds me of Austin Powers when, in the first one, he freezes himself and then he goes to the future and he says, I want one million dollars and they all laugh at him.
		And then they're like, uh, Dr. Evil, uh, one million dollars today isn't actually a lot of money.
		And he's like, oh.
		And then in the next one, he goes back in time and says, I want a hundred billion dollars.
		And they'll start laughing at him again, saying, you might as well have just said a bajillion gajillion dollars!
		That money doesn't exist!
		This is what it is!
		Like, who in their right mind thinks Alex Jones has a billion dollars to give away?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't think anyone.
		I mean, he's been pretty transparent with his finances, and he doesn't.
		I don't understand.
		There's a phrase trying to squeeze blood from a stone?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		From a turnip.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		From a turnip?
		Yeah.
		I don't know how the law works in this kind of situation where someone gets sued for money that they don't have.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the biggest judgment in US history, apparently, for defamation.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it's people want a judgment for defamation that weren't even named by Alex Jones.
		I don't understand this.
		There were like six people who six people's families and an FBI agent that was involved somehow is pain and suffering from something Alex.
		I mean, I understand he named someone and then that person has phone calls people went to that person's house.
		I think I don't know what the extent of the what happened that I get that guy can sue for defamation.
		He got named for something that but the rest of them.
		I don't I don't understand this and it's setting a precedent.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There wasn't even a trial.
		They just had a judgment because they had problems with discovery.
		And this is the second of three trials.
		There's still going to be yet another trial.
		And this settlement, you know, this judgment, excuse me, is almost as big as, of course, one of the biggest healthcare fraud settlements in history, which was given to Pfizer that had to pay 2.3 billion dollars for fraudulent marketing back a couple years ago.
		So, When you compare the two, you know, bad opinions compared to what Pfizer did back then, there's a big difference.
unidentified		Here's a question then.
		So what should happen?
		I don't have an answer to this.
		Let's say you're a parent of the Sandy Hook thing.
		You're devastated and there are people turning up your house because of what Alex Jones said.
		What should happen?
		Maybe nothing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, that's tough.
		For one, Alex had said that under Texas law, you have to say someone's name for it to be defamation and that he was just saying these people and those people.
		But I think he did name one person.
		There was one individual he named.
		I'll say this.
		Alex Jones went on his show to a massive audience and said things that were not true.
		He's allowed to have his opinions.
		But when he said things definitively, there's a question there of defamation when you call out someone with false information who is not a public figure.
		I don't think the New York Times should be allowed to get away with it.
		There's a couple things I have issue with here.
		One, a billion dollars is just the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
		They didn't give him a trial.
		And when are any of these big major media organizations ever going to be held to account in any way, let alone any way like this?
		It's not happening.
		So you can see how the machine comes for people who are outside of the establishment.
		I would say, I would find it reasonable if Alex Jones was actually ordered to pay, you know, six figures to each family, for each family member, something like that.
		Maybe the total payout would have been like five million bucks.
		And they would have said that to cover the cost of security and moving, all the legitimate, you know, All the legitimate costs incurred by these families.
		But the idea is here, punitive damages.
		The lawyers actually said to the jury, fine him so much he cannot keep his business up and running, or something to that effect.
		So the goal here is to punish him so that he doesn't do it again.
		And I just think that is where I say, no, that's wrong.
		And I'll tell you, Alex Jones is allowed to be wrong about things.
		He's allowed to have his opinion about things.
		Now, if he defamed by saying statements of fact that were not true about private individuals, then I think he owes them damages.
		But if it was that he truly believed it, and he was expressing his opinion in a major news event, then I don't see how you come after him for tens of millions or even a billion dollars.
		Paying for actual damages because you were wrong and spread misinformation about someone that damaged their life?
		That I understand.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking about a metaphor.
		I know you'll love it about like social media administration.
		And one of the things that minds that we were talking about is if you ban someone for violating terms of service, you ban the channel.
		And then when they try and make a new channel, some of the admins would be like, no, they can't make any more channels.
		They violated the terms.
		I'm like, no, no, no, you're not banning the person.
		You're banning the channel.
		The channel violated the terms.
		So it's the same thing with Alex.
		You don't stop him from coming back.
		That's not the point.
		You punish him for the fraud or whatever the problem, but there's no preventing people from existing or a realm back to normality.
		That's my opinion anyway.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Or redemption.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's essential.
		The human conversation is about redemption.
		I mean, that's the Christian ethos is redemption.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, these people aren't Christians.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, our society is kind of based on it in a lot of ways.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's a good thing.
		I think progress is a good thing, but I think there's a lot of values that come from Christian values that I think are good, notably like innocent until proven guilty is a really good one.
		And there's a lot of bad ones.
		And we found over a long period of time, we've gotten rid of the bad ones.
		But I think with this, the issue comes down to you cannot get rid of Alex Jones.
		It's impossible.
		Okay, here you go.
		John Smith starts a media company, and then says, Alex, I'm going to hire you, and I'm going to pay you $10 an hour to host this show.
		A benefit of working for this company is that you're going to eat at a five-star restaurant steakhouse every night, the company pays for your penthouse, and you get a car, a corporate car, and you get corporate private jets, but you only get paid $10 an hour.
		What are they going to do?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Rad, that's cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What are they going to do?
		So if Alex Jones as a personality on a show generates millions of dollars, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, so if they sue him into oblivion, he has a trusted individual who starts a company and hires him.
		Then what?
		Now if at that point he says something again, they can sue that company, sure.
		But then what?
		Just do it again?
		It's ridiculous.
		There's nothing you can do to stop Alex Jones.
		He is unstoppable.
		He is a gigantic man boulder rolling down a hill.
		You will not stop him.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Screaming on the top of his lungs, going crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want you to imagine Alex Jones rolling down a hill at 100 miles an hour going, ahhhh!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He hits the bottom of that ramp and then he just goes flying through the air.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Supernova.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And he's like meditating in the sky as he's flying.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Like that Pokemon.
		Not Pikachu.
		I forgot who it is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But let me say this.
		How many times, I'll put it this way.
		The New York Times, the lies about the Iraq war and all of that stuff.
		The lies about Iraq that got us into a war that cost, what, how many people died?
		Yeah, really.
		How many innocent civilians were killed?
		How much money was wasted?
		How much damage just around the world because of this?
		Have we sued the New York Times into oblivion to make sure they can never operate again?
		No, of course not.
		They just say, well, you know, don't do it again.
		And we all suffer because of it.
		Alex Jones says incorrect things about a bunch of families that I think it was wrong of him to say.
		And in the end, they're like, let's make sure he can never, ever run a company.
		They want to destroy not just his life.
		They want to destroy the lives of anyone who worked for him.
		Even a guy who was like a groundskeeper or a security guard.
		That's insane.
		I want to tell you one more very, very important thing, especially as it pertains to censorship.
		When they censored Alex Jones on YouTube, this is very important, they did not just take away his ability to speak, they deleted the entire archive of all of the work he had ever produced and published on that platform.
		That's the scary thing about social media censorship.
		It doesn't just say, you can't talk anymore.
		Twitter, Facebook, YouTube erases your entire history.
		Gone.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And then you can't comply with discovery.
		And then they're like, where's the video clips?
		Where's the video footage?
		Where's your apology?
		When did you say sorry?
		Show us the details.
		And of course, no one has the ability to have that many hard drives, that many backups.
		He streams essentially, what is it, four hours a day on his show, and then there's a bunch of other shows that he goes on.
		So It's just impossible and truly the larger censorship efforts are repugnant and disgusting and the corporate media does what Alex Jones does every single day.
		The only difference is they never get held accountable for all the lies and all the disinformation that they spew.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Repugnant.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a word, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Repugnant.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I love that word.
		Potato, potato.
		You know what I was saying.
unidentified		I thought it was a word I didn't know.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		Yeah, it sounded quite good to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the context transfer, people got it.
unidentified		Is the issue that... I mean, this was an emotional reaction, I suppose.
		It's like a billion dollars or whatever it is.
		I do agree with what you're saying, actually.
		Now that I think about this, to delete someone's entire archive of work seems insane.
		But I also just feel like, what is to stop all of us now from just saying whatever we want that completely ruins someone's life that might not be true?
		What should be done?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Human decency, I guess.
		Morals, ethics.
		To an extent, the Christian values that were instilled in this country, whether you like them or don't, they're there.
		What should be done is defamation tort, civil tort.
		You know, I think we have a problem with Times v. Sullivan.
		Are you familiar with Times v. Sullivan?
		This is a precedent that basically says politicians and public figures, it's not just Times v. Sullivan, there's another court case that added to it, but it's basically the precedent that says if you're a public figure, then there's a higher degree of scrutiny.
		And I think that, you know, there's good things and bad things about it, but I think it kind of weighs on the negative.
		What this means is, if CNN comes out and lies about me, and says that, you know, Tim Pool, you know, punched a dog, and then I sue and say, no, I didn't, they'll say you're a public figure.
unidentified		Oh, well, that's no good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, and so, I mean, saying that I punched a dog is a very definitive thing, so they probably would have a hard time with saying something that definitive, but they can come out and say that you're a known white supremacist who sympathizes and does this, that, or otherwise, and then if you try and sue, they'll say it's a protected opinion against a public person, and so, case dismissed.
		If you're a private individual, then you've got way more grounds, which is why Alex Jones basically lost here.
		But I think the real reason he lost here is because the machine was out to get him.
		That's my opinion on the matter.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's pretty clear.
		I mean, look what the corporate media does.
		Just a few months ago, during the whole Afghanistan debacle, The United States Pentagon military literally launched a missile strike and killed an aid worker.
		The U.S.
		corporate media said that he was ISIS-K, that he was a terrorist.
		He was an aid worker that was bringing fresh water to Afghanistan.
		That's libel.
		That's defamation.
		This family is being defamed as some kind of new radical Islamist terrorists when in reality they were working with the U.S.
		government bringing fresh water to Afghanistan.
		Is the corporate media going to be held responsible for that particular incident of defamation, of lying about someone that just had their entire family annihilated in a drone strike that the corporate media and the US Pentagon were lying about?
unidentified		No.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Should they?
		If we're going to be playing by these rules?
		Absolutely!
		And I think you would get a reward more than a billion dollars for such defamation and such actions if we're playing by the same rules set by the president of this particular court hearing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't normally do super chats this early, but there is one that I want to address because I brought it up, and I think for people who are listening to the segment, they should hear it.
		Augusto Mimache says, Where is innocent until proven guilty in the Bible?
		He who is without sin isn't the same.
		No, it is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, and it was, I think it was Abraham was talking to God.
		And Guy was like, you know, I'm probably getting the story wrong, but the general idea is, you know,
		I'm going to blow up these cities because they're full of, you know, nasty people.
		And then he asks, but what if there are 50 righteous people?
		And he's like, okay, if there are 50 righteous people, I won't blow it up. So
		what about 40? Okay, if there's 40, and then finally comes down to what if there is but one
		righteous man? And he says, okay, if there is one righteous man, I will not destroy these
		cities. The idea there is that you cannot condemn someone to death if they are a righteous person,
		right?
		That's the general idea.
		That was the inspiration for Blackstone's formulation.
		It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.
		Which then went to Benjamin Franklin who said it's better that a hundred guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.
		And the philosophy there, the legal and moral and governmental philosophy is, if people don't have faith that as innocent individuals, they will be protected from false accusations, if people believe that even if they are innocent, the machine will try to crush them, then they don't lend their confidence to government, government doesn't work.
		Ultimately, this becomes the element of the government that is, you must have a trial, you must be proven guilty, you can confront your accusers, and you are innocent until they prove you're guilty.
		It's amazing.
		I was reading about the Constitution, where these ideas came from, why we had them, and I traced that one all the way back.
		It was very, very fascinating.
		So yeah, there we go.
unidentified		They say that 10% of people in prison are innocent.
		It reminds me of Amanda Knox.
		Remember Amanda Knox?
		She was on my podcast and she's this lovely person.
		She seems so nice.
		And the minute I put that out, the amount of abuse I got and that she got, she now has to live with that because people don't go by innocent until proven guilty.
		They're just all convinced she did it, you know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the court public opinion now. Yeah. And that's the problem with stuff like this Alex
		Jones thing. Most people don't even know the full details of the trial. And I'm not gonna pretend to
		either. I think if you if you watch someone like Viva Frye, you might get a much, much better
		understanding of how the court case played out and everything like that. But then you take a look at
		like the Ahmaud Arbery case, you take a look at the Cal Rittenhouse case, there are mobs with
		pitchforks going around demanding violent ends to to to, you know, and they don't even know what
		what happened. Like hands up, don't shoot.
		People were riding over the Michael Brown stuff that turned out to be fake.
		Ferguson was... West Florissant in Ferguson was burnt to the ground.
		All these buildings over lies.
		Lies from the media.
		And the media went there and they were all gloating and talking about how it was a great networking event.
		These people are nasty people, man.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		So I don't think this is going to be a devastating blow against Alex Jones, because he is very persistent, and I think he's definitely going to figure out a lot of different ways around this.
		I think he already has safeguarded a lot of his assets and a lot of his businesses, but also, more importantly, a lot of legal experts are saying that he's going to win on appeal when it comes to, of course, challenging this major decision.
		There's still, again, one more court hearing that's going to, of course, be going after him.
		But more importantly, I think with hyperinflation, the $1 billion is going to be a cakewalk, especially with the value of the dollar going down, with the Federal Reserve quantitative easing policies that have utterly destroyed our currency, and a billion dollars is going to be nothing in a few months from now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this next one.
		This is from Candace Owens, who tweeted, Earlier today I learned that Kanye West was officially kicked out of JPMorgan Chase Bank.
		I was told there was no official reason given, but they sent this letter as well to confirm that he has until late November to find another place for the Yeezy Empire 2 bank.
		This is nuts!
		Here's the letter, it says, Dear Yee, is that his real name?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		No, he goes by Yee now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow, alright, there you go.
		We are sending this letter to confirm our recent discussion with blank.
		JPMorgan Bank has decided to end its banking relationship with Yeezy LLC, etc. etc.
		The first thing I'm going to say before we get into the political ramifications of this is
		make sure you are using Parallel Economy.
		I know it's a relatively new financial service co-founded by Dan Bongino.
		Shout out to Dan who's doing tremendous work to help fight back against censorship.
		If you become a member at TimCast.com, we default Parallel Economy.
		Support businesses that are fighting back, that believe in these values.
		Parallel Economy is one of them.
		Kanye West.
		I will say it right now.
		Candace Owens.
		Kanye West.
		Talk to Parallel Economy.
		They're not a bank, they do financial transaction services, but talk to them.
		Because if Kanye said, okay, I won't use Chase, I'll use this bank and I'll use this financial service, it could be a major movement towards pushing back against censorship.
		And Kanye's big enough to make a huge impact in that regard.
		So here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
		You will owe nothing and you will be happy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You want to take this one or should I?
		You don't own your money anyway.
		People think that's their money.
		Those are Federal Reserve notes on loan.
		They can take them back if they want.
		They can shut you down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't it even say on like money or something about that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is a Federal Reserve note.
		It's a promissory note.
		They give it to the American government.
		The American government promises to pay them back a dollar plus interest for every dollar they borrow.
		It's such an insane system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So Ethereum, right Luke?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		The other guy was shilling for it.
		But that's another topic to discuss here.
		Again, decentralized currencies are another thing, but the Federal Reserve is building their own centralized digital currency, which is going to lead to behavior like this tenfold.
		And this is not the first time that a major banking institution punished someone because of their opinions.
		I think that's what's happening here.
		We don't know exactly what's happening here.
		Maybe there's some accusations by Chase Manhattan that they didn't want to, of course, make public, but it's most likely what's been happening previously before, and that's we don't like your opinion.
		We're going to make sure you can't exist in society.
		We're going to make sure that you as an individual can't have any free flow of transactions, which is absolutely crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can I just give a shout out real quick to Candace Owen's profile picture on Twitter?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the Communist Fist, appropriated by BLM, holding wads of cash.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it's melting!
unidentified		Wow!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You don't like Ethereum?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I question everything, and I'm skeptical of everything.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		So, again, when it comes to, you know, a lot of these digital currencies, I think skepticism is your best friend.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ethereum is clearly better than Bitcoin, Luke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mark Zuckerberg is your friend.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I told people from the very beginning, invest what you're willing to lose, because it's a Wild West market.
		I do believe there are tremendous opportunities for decentralization, especially when it comes to privacy coins, things like Monero.
		There's a reason the IRS is sending out messages and letters saying, please help us crack Monero.
		There's a reason Amazon and Jeff Bezos are building technology that will break, of course, encryption.
		I do believe in privacy coins, but I don't believe in what the World Economic Forum and a lot of the other big bankers are pushing, and that's centralized digital currencies.
		The CEO of BlackRock was just talking about how the situation in Ukraine is going to lead to a bigger push for centralized digital currencies.
		That's essentially what they're pushing for, a social credit score where they will track, trace, and database and punish you on the fly for wrong-think, just like they probably did to Kanye West with Chase Manhattan Bank.
unidentified		I'm pretty flabbergasted.
		I didn't know that banks and PayPal, of course, at the moment, I didn't know they could actually do this based on your views.
		They can just say, okay, well, we're going to take your money or you can't use us for your money.
		I had no idea that was allowed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They can't do that in the UK?
unidentified		Well, I think they can, but I didn't know.
unidentified		I didn't know until recently.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd imagine it's probably worse in the UK.
unidentified		Yeah, quite possibly.
		The PayPal stuff started happening to quite a few people I know in the UK.
		I started seeing it happening on Twitter.
		Loads of people saying, well, my PayPal's closed.
		No one's told me why.
		Don't know what's going on.
		I mean, I've been stressed out about the whole free speech thing for quite some time now.
		Just the way people are clamping down on it, using culture and the press to stop people just having views.
		Look, the Kanye West thing.
		I'm Jewish.
		I've grown up Jewish.
		My family's Jewish.
		Friends are Jewish.
		You know, properly, actually Jewish.
		It's very offensive what he said.
		I take it with a pinch of salt because he's Kanye West.
		You know, he says mad things all the time and whatever.
		You hear it every day anyway, so okay, whatever.
		But I wouldn't want to have a bank that doesn't allow people who disagree with me or say horrible things to me to be able to keep their money there.
		And it's the same with speech.
		I want people who've got opposite opinions to mine to be able to say whatever they want, and people can decide if they want to listen to them, you know?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Would you have debanked Hitler if you were running the bank that he was using when he declared war on Poland?
unidentified		I think once you've started a war, it might be a bit different if you're trying to stop it.
		But I don't know.
		That's over my pay grade.
		What would you have done?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		He was getting financed by the Bushes and the Rockefellers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Prescott Bush.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I would have debanked him and used my bank as a weapon to win the war.
		I mean, I'll be honest.
		I mean, we say it's a culture war.
		We kind of joke and laugh.
		It's a real culture war.
		It's a domination for your mind.
unidentified		Sure.
		But that's different.
		That's you trying to win a war.
		We're not trying to win a war against Kanye West.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But sanctions in war happen all the time.
		Tons of people say we're no longer going to do business with you and your money's frozen.
		This is a private citizen in the United States being told that he's being kicked off of a bank.
		Now, we don't know exactly why.
		They didn't say why, but we know why.
		He's in the news, they're saying he's offensive.
		I think this is actually really, really bad for Chase, and they made a big mistake.
		Because we saw what happened with PayPal.
		Their stock is down, I think, I don't know where it's at right now.
		Let me check PayPal stock for the day.
		Because it was up early.
		Let's see where it's at.
		So it's up 0.87%.
		But in the past five days, they're down 10%.
		So since this news broke over the weekend, they're down 10%.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, while you're here, look at their last five years.
		Look at what happened April 2020 to PayPal stock.
		COVID is announced.
		Guess how?
		All these people made three times their money and then sold it all.
		And then they went back to normal.
		Someone tripled their money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that means someone lost their money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I imagine it was pension funds.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think a cabal of organizations tripled their money by investing in PayPal through the pandemic and then got out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then a bunch of people that were trying to ride the wave probably bought in while it was up.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people knew commerce was going to, of course, happen online and not in person and not in real life.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		So it was an investment that a lot of people predicted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've heard stories from people who bought Moderna stock.
		Someone told me this, they bought Moderna stock right at the start of the pandemic because they were like, oh, the media is talking about it.
		And then what was that, like a 100 times increase or like a 40 times increase on your money?
		Investing in these machines and then getting rich off them, like investing in PayPal, knowing that people have to buy online and they can't use, you know, Mom-and-pop stores and bodegas.
		So there was money to be made.
		I don't think it's necessarily what you think it is, Ian.
		It's probable that a lot of powerful elites were playing games.
		I think a lot of it was people being like, I'm going to invest in PayPal and Amazon and Netflix.
		And all of their stocks skyrocketed because people couldn't leave their houses.
		It's almost like his wife is the speaker of the house and has an inside track on what bills are moving forward.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's probably more likely that he's psychic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		guy very smart you know it's almost like he's like psychic like he just knows
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		these things are gonna have or like he has like a like his wife like has some
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		inside scoop or something yeah it's almost like his wife is the speaker of
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		the house that it has an inside track on what bills are moving probably more
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		likely that he's like it's almost as his wife is making all the decisions in big
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		industry that of course is directly correlated to some of the big trades
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		that he's making welcome to the modern era my friends they went after Kanye West
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		man That's what happens.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, we still don't know exactly what happened here.
		We could speculate it's probably because of his more spicy, controversial topics and conversations.
		I've been seeing a little scuttlebutt of what he's been saying.
		But again, when banks get more involved, when there's more social pressure, You know, this is creating a society that is essentially a social credit score.
		You can't think the wrong things, you can't express the wrong things, and even if you do express the wrong ideas, at least have the ability to be able to, of course, have them challenged, have them questioned, because that's how you stop someone from believing in bad things.
		You question those things and you actually talk them through it, instead of just censoring them, which actually pushes them to the further extremes, And has them go to places where they get more radicalized and they get more crazy belief systems, which, again, is psychologically proven to be true.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think that you're right that diplomacy and communication is the way, as kind of the United States was based on a bunch of people that didn't agree, got together, and then they started figuring it out together, and they didn't have global wars, but the problem now is that we don't speak, I don't speak Russian, I don't speak Chinese, I don't speak Mandarin, and so to debate and have conversation globally in this new, it'd be like if people in West Virginia spoke Mandarin, but people in Massachusetts spoke Russian, but we're still expected for those people to somehow work together, it wouldn't have happened.
		They had a common language.
		And now on the globe, we don't have a common language.
		We kind of have English, but I don't understand the Russian guys speaking Russian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's a big... And I don't understand what Kanye West is saying half the time, to be completely honest.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, we listened to one of his shows, him and Rogan, and Tim was like, I do not understand.
		I was like, I get every word, man.
		He's just a wild... He's an empath.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, his Tucker Carlson interview was very coherent.
		It was very good.
		Yeah, we listened to that.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was eloquent there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then their vice came out and was like, listen to what Kanye really said, but Tucker edited it out.
		And I was like, it's just like one controversial thing.
		He's a black Hebrew Israelite, I guess.
		Kanye West believes that he's a true Jew.
		And I'm like, I don't know.
		Maybe Tucker Carlson took it out because it didn't flow the conversation.
		And it's like, they cut it for time.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, because Judaism is passed through blood?
		That's the idea?
		And so he says his great ancestors were Jewish?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Black Hebrew Israelites believe that black people are the true, you know, children of Israel or whatever, and that the people there currently are like occupying it and stole it from them or something.
unidentified		Interesting philosophy.
unidentified		When BLM first started getting really big a year or two ago, that was quite a difficult time for a lot of Jewish people because a lot of anti-semitism came from there and there was a lot of sort of Jewish-Black rivalry stuff going on for about a year or so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I lived in Crown Heights in Brooklyn and there was a huge Jewish, like, there were shootouts between Jewish, Hasidic Jewish people and the Black community, like, It was weird.
		And they just had like a mobile command at like this dividing line between the two neighborhoods.
		And I just, I didn't, I didn't really understand it.
		But then I, several years later when I started, I was covering a riot in Baltimore and these kids were talking about, they were, they were, they were Muslim.
		And they started talking about a lot of this stuff and they were just like coming up to the cameras and then yelling stuff.
		And then people started explaining to me like Farrakhan and all this stuff I wasn't super familiar with.
		And I was like, ah, okay, I get it.
		Right, so you've got these people who believe really, really anti-semitic things.
		We saw the reporting from, I think it was the New York Times and Tablet, about the heads of BLM were extremely anti-semitic, spreading these conspiracy theories about Jewish people and all that stuff.
unidentified		Well, this was a really weird time, because BLM was everywhere in the UK.
		The UK, in some senses, is further left and more woke than America, and in other ways, in other senses, it's the opposite.
		We tend to take our lead from you guys.
		Something happens here and six months later it's like all over the UK.
		And BLM of course, that happened in the UK and it almost doesn't make sense.
		The statistics and everything in the UK didn't really make sense.
		I think like three black people over 10 years had been killed by police or whatever.
		We don't have as many black people in the UK.
		It's a totally different thing.
		But BLM went crazy.
		And then I had to go to, like, soccer games, right?
		And I would see just, like, the t-shirts had BLM all over them.
		BLM was written everywhere.
		And I'm just sitting there with my dad and that, and we're just watching it, like, as Jewish people.
		We're like, where's my decision in this?
		Because I know that the organization... I don't have a problem with the words Black Lives Matter, but that organization, the anarcho-Marxist anti-Semitic thing, why do I have to watch that on my football club now?
		It wasn't nice to have to watch.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you talk all about cults and stuff like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We mentioned earlier in the show that the wokeness is very much a kind of cult, but what are your thoughts on all this in the United States, in the UK, just generally in the West?
unidentified		It's just a bit... I think it comes from status, I think you guys say, right?
		Yeah.
		There's a theory, and I owe a writer called Will Storr for this, about status.
		We sort of evolved in tribes, and there were three types of status.
		One was dominance, one was success, and one was virtue.
		So you would get more of the food if you were particularly dominant in a tribe.
		You would get more of the food if you were successful.
		If you're successful in a tribe, you're maybe good at making the fire.
		You invented the wheel.
		Everybody's going to share their food with you.
		Now, if you're not particularly dominant as a person, if you're not particularly successful, the third option was virtue.
		And you had to show that you're a really nice guy.
		You're going to share your food with people.
		You're going to help someone if they need it.
		Then they're going to share their food with you.
		But the thing was, you didn't actually have to be virtuous.
		You didn't have to actually help people.
		You had to make it appear like you did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You had to signal your virtue.
unidentified		Exactly that.
		Exactly that.
		And they found, like, there have been studies showing that people who do that a lot are more likely to be psychopathic or narcissistic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
		I wonder if what we're seeing is basically there's like this...
		Grand restart or something.
		A great restart that's happening.
		And what happens then is people who don't have purpose become wayward.
		You know, what is it?
		The idle hands of the devil's playground.
		So you have a bunch of people who have nothing to do.
		No specialties, no expertise.
		They're just listless wandering NPCs or whatever.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Irrelevant.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so in this hollow hole in their heart, they fill it with fake purpose.
		And so they joined the machine, and that's why they're so adamant about never giving it up, no matter what.
		Why is it that we had Larry Elder here, and he says, you know, I tried showing the quote, the transcription from Trump, where Trump did not say, you know, verifying people and stuff.
		He said that white supremacists should be condemned totally, and they refused to read it.
		It's because they have nothing in their hearts.
		And so, you know, for me, I play music, I play Magic the Gathering, I skateboard, I rollerblade, we're writing songs, we talk politics.
		I am very full of purpose.
		But what about someone who has nothing?
		What about someone who's not really that good at playing guitar?
		What about someone who's not really good at playing games?
		What if someone has no hobbies and they have no friends?
		The only thing they have is to latch onto this ideology.
		That's the one thing they have.
		And then you come along, the nerve of you.
		Trying to give them the truth, which would shatter the only thing they have in their hearts.
		They won't allow it.
		They go nuts.
		And that's why they get violent on behalf of it.
		It's the only thing they have.
		It's their only passion.
unidentified		You're spot on.
		I think that's exactly it.
		But I think it's the same reason people sometimes go really far, right?
		It's the same reason people get into Scientology.
		Or Mormonism or whatever it is.
		Often they don't quite have something in their lives.
		I always remember, you know, when I was a bit... I don't think I was woke but maybe liberal when I was like 18, 19 years old.
		You go to university, right?
		You know when you go and everybody's got in their dorms like posters of like, this is who I am.
		I'm someone who likes the Godfather.
		And it's like, well everyone likes the Godfather, you know?
		But that's my individuality.
		And hopefully as you get older you start to, as you say, take up more interests.
		You don't identify, you know, everyone's got in their pronouns or whatever it might be in their Twitter profile.
		And, you know, why do we need to know that?
		Well, I want to know if you play guitar, as you say.
		I want to know what you do in your life, what's interesting.
		And those are the people, I think, sometimes who are led into cultish groups.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't have anything.
		Like, you know, so I like to skate, was a rollerblading earlier today.
		And every day when I do, I'm trying to one-up myself.
		So I'm trying to go higher on the vert ramp or I'm trying to do something I've never done before.
		And that's fulfilling and it's an accomplishment.
		I'm challenging myself every day.
		But if you're someone who doesn't have that, then the only thing you have to give you that dopamine release is going to be fitting in and having someone else praise you or feeling like, you know, you've latched on to something.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or eating.
		Yeah, eating.
		That's another thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's why a lot of them are morbidly obese.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No joke.
		If you feel depression, you want serotonin, you eat.
		That's a big thing.
		That definitely raises your mood.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		And the food's being engineered to become addictive.
		But that's another process in itself.
		I remember a couple of years ago looking at psychological studies, specifically when it came to radical jihadists.
		And a lot of psychologists found that it was poverty and polyamory that led to, of course, people becoming radicalists because there wasn't enough women for the guys to go around.
		One guy would marry 10 to 12 to 15 to 20 wives and there wasn't enough wives to go around because of the poverty, because of the lack of education.
		A lot of people just You know, went to extremist groups.
		So when you look at those conditions, when you look at what's happening in today's day and age in the dating world, when you look at what's happening financially with the banks and the big multinational corporations pretty much stealing everyone's money, we're pretty much creating the same situation for radicalization.
		So yes, things are not going to be good with so many people radicalized, with so many people going to the fringes and going to these extremist groups that they're going to be taken advantage of with.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now we have the cults becoming prominent in government, in major corporations and institutions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you studied or read up on other more traditional cults?
unidentified		Stuff like Scientology or Nixxiom or those kinds of things?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I don't know about those specifically, those are more modern, but I mean, there have been, you know, was it Jim Jones, is that his name?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jonestown.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jonestown.
unidentified		That was mad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I use those because I think we have, well actually, Scientology might be a good example as well, but I think Jonestown is, it's very definitive.
		It had an end, there's a lot that we know about it.
		Are there similarities or can you look at something like that and then try and predict where we go with the modern woke cult?
unidentified		Well, Jonestown, I think, is really rare, just in terms of how... I mean, I use the word cultish to think, you know, something is cultish, maybe it's 1 out of 10 cultish, and Jonestown was 10 out of 10.
		Scientology is like a 9 out of 10 or a 10 out of 10 or something.
		Heaven's Gate was the other one.
		Do you remember that one?
		Oh yeah, was that where they thought they were going to go on the comet or whatever?
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did they drink the Kool-Aid too?
unidentified		Yeah, so that's actually a misnomer, the Kool-Aid thing.
unidentified		I think it wasn't Kool-Aid, it was something else, but it got remembered as Kool-Aid.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love how this story is relatively modern, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was in the 90s?
unidentified		Yeah, I think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now drink the Kool-Aid has become a slang term for buying into something.
unidentified		And it's wrong.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was Flavor-Aid.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was Flavor-Aid?! !
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not Flavor Aid!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was cyanide poison.
		And there's video, audio of them eating it, and people didn't want to.
		They were refusing.
		They were screaming.
		They were taking babies away from mothers to poison the baby, and the mothers were screaming.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's horrific.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's on YouTube.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about Jim Jones now?
unidentified		Jonestown.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That's all Jonestown.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about Heaven's Gate.
unidentified		So Jonestown, people believe that they all killed themselves and they're like, how did that happen?
		And that's not really what happened.
		They tried to escape, as you say, and there were security guards just shooting them and killing them all dead.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why though?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's like a 40 minute video on YouTube.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they're cultists.
unidentified		The guy in charge, Jim Jones, was being caught.
		I think the FBI, I think it was, or would it have been the CIA, were in Guyana sort of checking up on him and he knew his days were numbered.
		So it was like, okay, this is the next step.
		We all have to, we all have to kill ourselves now.
		So I think it's rare that people get absolutely swept up to a point that they're willing to actually kill themselves like that.
		I think there's, and I think that's the same with a lot of, you know, we talk about the woke ideology stuff.
		I think deep, deep down.
		And the woke stuff goes back to the New Puritans.
		I talk about the Puritans.
		Andrew Doyle is great on that.
		I interviewed him recently.
		He's fantastic.
		He's got this book called The New Puritans, just about how similar the witch-hunting stuff is to a lot of the woke ideology.
		And they knew it wasn't real, the witch-hunting people, but they knew that if they said anything, just like now, if they said anything, they'd be next.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		You'd get shouted down.
unidentified		So that's probably the closest thing, I think, in terms of like historic cults and how that relates to today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So maybe in 50 to 100 years, they'll talk about the cancel culture trials and how absurd and crazy everybody was, and we'll come out on the right side of this one.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So it's that they think that if they cause enough pain to the enemy, that they're actually causing good to the ones they... I mean, I don't understand, like, what was the impetus of the witch hunts?
		Why were they doing it?
		I've heard that they were on ergot, that they were inadvertently dosing themselves with ergot.
unidentified		Oh, I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a fungus on wheat that causes hallucinations.
unidentified		Yes, correct.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And so they were tripping balls.
		They didn't know it.
		So they thought he's a witch.
		She's a witch.
		I'm a witch.
		They didn't know.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It also has to do with the fact that people have like the hag's dream.
		You've never heard of that?
		The hag's dream when you fall asleep and you feel like someone's in the room.
		It's just an evolutionary trait that allows you to think, oh, if there's something in the room, you are awake, but you're not moving.
		Your body keeps you from moving.
unidentified		I get that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sleep paralysis.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I get that.
unidentified		My girlfriend has to wake me up.
		I'm like, in my head, I'm screaming.
		I think I'm screaming.
		I'm going to go.
		But what's actually happening is I'm going.
		Which is freaky for my girlfriend at four in the morning.
		But the thing with the witch thing, which also relates to modern times, because you guys were talking before about when it's powerful people the same rules don't apply.
		The girls that were accusing everyone, they did, towards the end, when it was falling apart, they did accuse people who were quite prominent.
		And everybody just sort of went, what?
		Shut up.
		And then they had to shut up after that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The witch hunts?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They tried to reach too high.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then part of people said, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like when they went after Rogan with the Ivermectin thing.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, not just that.
		They went after Rogan for a lot of things and it just doesn't work.
		Nothing sticks.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sometimes it's overt nonsense, you realize.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what happens eventually.
		The veil gets shattered, I guess.
		And people are just like, okay, wait a minute.
		You know, what's really going on here?
		But I think it's like most things, it's just confidence.
		Do the people have enough confidence of other people to engage in insane behavior?
unidentified		People were like, even really intelligent people, I mean all of us, probably get misled and led down certain rabbit holes and we don't even realise it.
		My favourite example is Arthur Conan Doyle who wrote Sherlock Holmes and he's supposed to be the master of deduction, Sherlock Holmes, so Arthur Conan Doyle's a super clever person.
		And there's a great book called The Intelligence Trap about exactly this.
		The cleverer the person is, the better able they are to convince themselves of mad conspiracies.
		Because they're smart.
		So it's confirmation bias.
		So Arthur Conan Doyle believed in fairies.
		And that was at a time when people did not believe in fairies.
		It wasn't like, oh, it was back in the olden times.
		But he just was obsessed.
		And he was mates with Houdini, the magician.
		And Houdini was like an absolute skeptic.
		And they fell out over that.
		What?
		Yeah, big argument over that.
		And also because Arthur Conan Doyle kept trying to get Houdini to do this clairvoyant stuff and speak to his dead mother and mad stuff like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Houdini's like, it's that real?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And Arthur Conan Doyle was like, those fairies are real!
		But the fairies were a prank by some young girls.
		They just put up some pictures of fairies and put like a drawing pin in the stomach and just put it, like little paper fairies.
		And he believed that.
		And he thought that the drawing pin, the little pin in the stomach, that was evidence that they had belly buttons and so they had children.
		It was like fairies can reproduce.
		That was what he was thinking.
		This is a super smart guy.
		So I think what's happening is, as you said, there's all these people who are perhaps really intelligent.
		We like to think of, oh, you joined Scientology, you must be an idiot.
		A lot of them are really intelligent.
		I've met some really intelligent ex-Scientologists.
		But maybe they're lacking some sort of purpose.
		And then someone comes along and says, no, no, you've got purpose.
		You're going to sign a 1 billion year contract, which is what they have to do.
		And you're going to, with each bit of money you put in, you're going to learn more secret stuff about aliens and Lord Zeno.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's Scientology?
unidentified		That's Scientology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a billion year contract?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because you're immortal or something?
unidentified		Do you know the Scientology backstory?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Only a little bit.
unidentified		About the Thetans.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dropping them in the volcano and stuff.
unidentified		So they now say this isn't what they think, but it is.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		This is the problem with the internet.
		It's ruined cults because cults are supposed to be, they're supposed to be a level that you can't reach because it's like the secret level, right?
		And until you put enough money in.
		But now we have the internet.
		So it's just there.
		So now Scientology has to go out and say, no, no, no, that's not true.
		Until you get to that stage and go, yeah, it was true actually.
		Um, so it is, yeah, Lord Zeno, and he, lords, they all lived somewhere else, and he killed everyone in this alien planet, and all the spirits went away into Earth, into the volcanoes of Earth, and they went out and into everybody's bodies now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now you have like a bunch of ghosts inside you or something?
		Is that it?
		Yeah.
		I was in Hollywood and I was skating.
		And yeah, they got the Scientology thing on Hollywood Boulevard.
		I think it's on Hollywood.
		Is that the street?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it lives right next to it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's between Sunset and Franklin, or Hollywood and Franklin.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I'm skating and then I see a guy with the book and he's outside and he's waving as I'm coming up, so I stop.
		And then he's like, hey, how's it going?
		He talks to me.
		And he asked me if I knew anything about Dianetics, because I think that's what it says, like Scientology.
		And then I was like, no.
		And he was like, do you know anything about Scientology?
		And I was like, just what I've seen from the TV.
		I was like, don't you guys believe like aliens and like volcanoes?
		And he goes, that's what the cartoon says.
		Do you get all your facts from cartoons?
unidentified		Self-taught.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, no.
		And he goes, oh, so how about we actually tell you what we do?
		And I was like, sure.
		They came in and sat down and then they gave me the e-meter.
		And then yeah, yeah, for real.
		And then I put my hands on it or whatever.
		And I'm like, nothing's happening.
		I have no idea what you're talking about.
		And then the guy asked me if I would be interested in better understanding and buying the book.
		So I actually bought Dianetics.
		Now I'm completely skeptical.
		I think it was like 20 bucks.
		But I was like, how can I be critical of something I've never actually read?
		If I don't know what they're talking about, it's simple for me to watch South Park and then be like, the TV said you're dumb.
		But that would be stupid.
		And so I think I actually got maybe like 50 pages in and then laughed and then put it down.
		I was like, I can't read this.
		Because I think for me, it seemed really obvious how the manipulation worked.
		It's like my view of it is it's a false logic.
		Like, it'll say something, hey, did you ever experience this feeling?
		That's because of this thing.
		And then you go, oh, I could see how that works.
		If they can make you, using sophistry, go from point A to point B to C to D to E, they're walking you towards, they're creating the reality.
		They're building the logical structure for you to, and I read that analysis like, you know, people fall for this stuff.
		They read it and believe it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Speaking on the integrity of Scientology, I lived in Hollywood and did a video, a movie for the Scientology group.
		They had me and my girlfriend come in.
		They want to do something on the right to marriage.
		So they were like, okay, for this, you guys are married.
		Tell everyone how happy you are.
		So we're like, okay.
		So we faked, lied that we were, they got a non-married couple to pretend like they were married because they liked the way they looked.
unidentified		You had to lie that you were happy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, we had a lie that we were married.
		So this is like a church, technically, telling, telling, having non-married people pretend that they're married.
		Like it's, it's a lie.
		I was lying for the Scientologists and they paid me to lie for them.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sounds like him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to, I want to jump to another segment, but we're going to, we're going to grab this super text that just came in.
		Sleep is the cousin of death, says Tim, making fun of Scientology, but thinks God's real.
		Oh boy.
		You see, this is, this is the challenging thing, I guess, about trying to talk to people about Physics, spirituality, reality, understanding, philosophy, etc., etc.
		I could be wrong, but Einstein believed in God.
		He was not an atheist.
		That's where the phrase Einsteinian God comes from.
		Maybe it's wrong, but the idea of Einsteinian God is that phrase is used to explain to people who don't understand They don't understand, I guess, how do you describe it?
		Concepts beyond knowledge, right?
		Infinity.
		What does infinity truly mean?
		How do you perceive dimensions beyond three?
		So, there are certain ideas that we understand can exist, but it's hard for us to conceptualize, we can describe.
		So, with the issue of Einsteinian God, you talk to your average person, you say, like, describe God, and they'll say, you know, a guy with a beard, he's in the clouds, and he's got white hair, whatever.
		And that's like a weird cartoon depiction of some religious deity.
		But this is why I say I don't believe in any organized religion.
		The simplest way to put it is God, in my view, is just there is a system by which we exist in.
		We understand the system of a computer program.
		We understand that we as humans are mapping out reality.
		The simplest way to put it is God is the universe.
		There is a greater power that exists beyond us.
		It is the structure and code of the universe.
		It exists.
		That's the most rudimentary way to explain it to someone who thinks God is a person in the clouds.
		Now, a lot of religious people genuinely do believe that God is a person who is above us or around us or whatever, and that's on them.
		But if your assumption immediately is when I say, I believe in God, you think I'm talking about a guy in the sky, then you genuinely do not know enough about the subject.
		And I don't mean that disrespectfully.
		I mean, my view of this comes from reading religious texts, growing up briefly Catholic, reading about quantum physics, reading philosophy, and then going...
		We don't know half.
		We don't know anything.
		We know so little.
		And from that perspective, I would need probably a couple hours.
		We've done this in the Members Only shows, breaking down the long trail of thought to understand the concept that I'm trying to get to.
		There's no way I could do it in 10 minutes without making a whole show dedicated to it.
		But simply put, my view of God is not a guy in the clouds.
		It is well, well, well, well beyond that.
		I want you to imagine infinity.
		You know what infinity means, right?
		A lot of people think infinity is a number.
		It's not.
		Infinity means everything beyond and endlessly.
		I want you to imagine things that don't exist.
		I want you to imagine a color you've never seen before.
		I want you to imagine the fourth dimension.
		How do you do it?
		You can't.
		You can understand a three-dimensional projection of the fourth dimension, and we can mathematically show how a fourth dimension will work, even though we can't conceptualize it outside of just drawing a mathematical picture.
		So there's so much to break down to get through that.
		I'll leave it there.
		Maybe we'll talk about it when it comes to cults and we'll do it in the Members Only section.
		But let's jump to this story from CBS12.com.
		NBC reporter's interview with PA Senate candidate John Fetterman draws criticism.
		So in this interview with NBC Fetterman, who's running as a Democrat in Pennsylvania, he can't actually understand the words that are being said to him because in May he suffered a very serious stroke and it was debilitating and it caused him very serious brain damage.
		I'm not saying that as a pejorative or to be disrespectful.
		He literally is suffering from this.
		In the interview, let me play it here.
		I'm not gonna, I don't care to play her audio.
		They show in the, I think I just passed it actually.
		So let me see if I can play it.
		And well, you know, I'll pull the audio up.
unidentified		What has the press been like?
		And are you confident going into that debate?
		It's gonna be...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they do editing.
		Because, uh, here you go.
		There you go.
		In this image, you can see right here, in order for Federman to actually answer the questions, they have a special program that transcribes the words she's saying into written text so he can read it and then answer.
		This led to a whole bunch of people saying he's clearly not mentally fit to do the job.
		How is he going to stand on the Senate floor and debate an idea when people are saying, John, you are wrong.
		Your bill would do X, Y, and Z. And he goes, I, I can't understand anything.
		I can hear the words, but my brain can't process it.
		This is not someone being deaf.
		A bunch of these woke journalists, Democrats and liberals were like, we don't discriminate against people who can't hear.
		He can hear.
		He can hear perfectly.
		His brain cannot process the audio.
		That to me is very, very serious.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you this, man.
		They voted for Joe Biden.
		Hopefully, hopefully they learned their lesson.
		I think a lot of people will have learned the lesson.
		I think a lot of people won't.
		But to all these people, I say to you, you voted for Joe Biden, right?
		You thought, how bad can it really be?
		How bad can it be?
		It's better than Trump.
		When you vote for someone who is cognitively impaired, you get disaster, you get crisis, you get deficits, you get shutting down of Keystone and how gas prices are skyrocketing.
		And then a weird justification in the media that Shutting down and curtailing U.S.
		energy had nothing to do with the fact that gas is skyrocketing at now six, seven bucks in California.
		If you vote in this man, and I feel bad for him.
		I mean, no disrespect.
		I mean, a stroke is serious.
		I feel bad, and I hope, I wish him the best.
		But we need people who are physically and mentally capable to do the job.
		I think they'll vote for him though.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not only that.
		Outside of politics, if you suffer a serious brain injury, you gotta rest.
		You gotta relax.
		You gotta give your brain time to heal correctly.
		And just by shoving him into the camera, shoving him on stage all the time, that's not good for an individual who suffered a severe I mean, I've had a brain injury as well.
		I had a brain injury in 2015.
		his mind and you know if people really did care about this individual if people
		really were looking out for his best interest they would be making sure he
		healed correctly before putting him up putting him up on the stage. Yeah.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I mean I've had a brain injury as well. I had a brain injury in 2015. I fell asleep
		driving and hit an accident response vehicle on the road and I cannot even
		imagine being put on stage let alone you know having to be representative for
		people that are voting me into power and into the United States.
		Like, I don't remember if he's running for the House, Congress, I forget what he's running for now.
		But I would never want to be in that situation.
		It would be unbelievably hellish.
		It would be extremely stressful because just coming out of that is already such a challenge.
		What did you do to recover?
		I spent some time with my parents, actually in the UK, funnily enough.
		But it took me, I would say, you feel like you're recovered after about a year, two years, but you really only realize maybe five years later that, wow, okay, now I'm fully recovered from my brain injury.
		So I honestly can't even remember or imagine what he's going through right now.
		Not to give him court or anything like that, but I would never, never put myself in the situation where I'm being a representative for other people, let alone being forced to read to respond to everything.
		That's wild, wild.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		A lot of soldiers on the front lines of battlefields are told to not be on the battlefield for too long because of the concussions and the shooting and the grenades and the explosions and the sounds literally rock their heads to the point where they get serious brain injuries.
		They're told literally get off the battlefield, go into a dark quiet room and make sure there's no stimuli, make sure you could actually rest and relax your brain.
		So, when you're put on stage, when you're being quizzed during an interview, when you're taking questions from individuals, you're not allowing your brain to rest.
		When you can't even interpret sounds, you're not allowing your brain to rest.
		It's just a sad situation overall, and it's sad seeing him slur his words.
		A lot of people are using this for political talking points, but it's beyond that, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, but, come on.
		The dude should have dropped out.
		The Democratic Party should have said, look man, you had a stroke, I'm sorry.
		But I think, as much as I can say, I'm sorry to the man for having a stroke and I wish him the best, where I will criticize him heavily is his arrogance.
		His arrogance in thinking, I'm gonna keep going.
		Okay, man.
		We see what happens with Joe Biden and now you're going to get it in Pennsylvania when the people vote for this guy.
		It's going to be bad.
		He's going to be in a meeting and someone's going to say something like, there's an emergency and we have to act now.
		There's a crisis on the bridge.
		He's going to be going, I don't know what you're saying.
		You need to call it in now.
		We've got a flood.
		There's damage.
		There's people dying.
		Can someone get a CC machine in here so I can understand?
		What do you do?
		I'm sorry, man.
		This is a guy, look, I get it.
		He's running for Senate.
		He's not running for, you know, he's Lieutenant Governor now.
		That's bad enough.
		He should have resigned.
		I don't know if he's still in that position, but he's going to be on the Senate floor and they're going to be saying there's an emergency.
		They're going to bring him in and they're going to have to get him a special computer.
		Look, technology is fantastic.
		Before this technology existed, even maybe 10 years ago, he'd be done.
unidentified		That's it.
unidentified		Sorry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have a nice day.
		You can't understand words being said to you.
		You can't do this job.
		And because of technology we've invented that can transcribe the words into text, which is a relatively new thing, he is now saying, okay, I can do it.
		Yo, I have tried using transcription software.
		There have been many circumstances where like Biden's giving a speech and I need to grab like a chunk of the quote.
		And I'm like, I got to write this down.
		So what I'll try to do is I'll download voice-to-text or I'll use the internal voice-to-text and it's full of errors.
		And what happens when someone says something like, imagine this person saying, listen here my sister, and then it says mister instead of my sister.
		There's like words get jumbled too quickly and then he's reading it and he reads the wrong thing and gives a bad answer.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they make mistakes all the time.
		It's not perfect technology.
		It's new technology.
		You know, whenever you have captions, even on social media, you have to look through every single word because there could be a big mistake there that the algorithm could find and pick up and automatically ban you for even using specific words on a lot of the social media platforms.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Imagine!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But I just kind of want to point out, is it really him or is it the people behind him?
		Because again, this is a man who suffered a serious injury.
		Does he even, like, How aware he is of the current situation.
		And a lot of people, when they're injured, they don't want to see themselves as injured.
		A lot of times, they don't want to heal.
		They don't want to rest.
		So he might be pushed by other individuals, by other interests, who are saying, this is too much of an important race for us to lose.
		There might be a Democratic machine, special interest, big money saying, hey, we invested in you.
		We want our payout.
		We don't care.
		Go out there on stage.
		Sing a dance for us.
		Because a lot of politics is that.
		Big money controlling individuals to be their puppets.
		Politicians are puppets, in my opinion.
		And to me, there's a lot of puppet hands behind this major race that the whole nation is looking at.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's another interesting tidbit.
		He probably could watch this podcast of us critiquing and talking about his health, and he wouldn't understand it at all.
		The closed captioning auto-generated on these videos or whatever.
		I'm thinking like, what if Ben Shapiro was trying to tell him something?
		Ben Shapiro talks fast?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		He does.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, imagine someone says, John, you gotta watch the latest Daily Wire with Ben Shapiro.
		He says a bunch of things you'll want to be apprised of.
		He's been talking really, really fast, and there's a prominent issue when it deals with taxes in the United States government, and we've got all these senators that are coming in, and he's gonna be like, the voice, the text doesn't work on this.
unidentified		It's really sad, you know.
		I'm thinking the whole time, like, yeah, but maybe it can work, and I don't think it can.
		I don't think it can work, unfortunately.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		We're not there yet.
unidentified		Yeah, I can understand why he'd want to do it, and I understand.
unidentified		Do you think he's more likely to win now, though?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, right now, the aggregate polling has him six points up.
		But we've seen, from aggregate polling in the past several elections, a seven-point swing in favor of Democrats, so it looks like it may actually go to Dr. Oz.
		And NBC, in this interview, said the race is now a toss-up.
		I think the average person in Pennsylvania is sitting there going like, I'm sorry, dude.
		You know, I like you, but you can't do the job.
		Look, if I need to hire someone to pick up boulders, and you show up and you're in a wheelchair, what am I supposed to do?
		I mean, I don't even know what the legality is on that, but if you can't pick up a boulder, how do I hire you to pick up a boulder?
		If we're hiring a person to argue, debate, and push policy, and he can't understand the words that are being said to him, how does he do the job?
		I'm shocked that he's demanding that people actually support him in that regard.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what bothers me.
		I want to like him, and I don't because of his...
		Arrogance was a good word, actually.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's arrogance.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's really annoying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I broke my hand, but I'm playing the guitar!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't stop me!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Pull back, bro, and then run again in like four years.
		You can run again.
		Run when your body's rested and healthy.
		Do a float tank.
		I don't know if psilocybin's right for you.
		Do something to help repair neural pathways.
		You're okay, but don't take on this responsibility right now.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There have been some studies with psychedelic mushrooms showing that they could actually heal some kind of brain damage.
		I'm not a doctor.
		I'm not here trying to give any medical advice, but there are some preliminary studies that I think are worthwhile to look at.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's called neurogenesis, and it's how you regrow brain cells.
		It's the function of regrowing brain cells.
		You can do it, John!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Modern politics!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But I think that's illegal, though.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think that's illegal in Pennsylvania.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you would need to work with a doctor.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		In Washington, D.C., it's legal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like psilocybin recreationally or medicinally?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Medicinally.
		I know someone taking it in Washington, D.C.
		right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think Colorado, it's recreational, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Oregon?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Well, all drugs are decriminalized in Oregon, so you can find it there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that what's going on in Portland?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That's part of what's going on in Portland.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That must be it.
		That explains everything.
		You got a whole bunch of people showing up wearing all black.
		Some are on shrooms, some are on acid, some smoke too much, some drank too much, some injected too much.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's all just...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Some people did it all.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a lot more complicated than that, especially with George Soros' involvement, but that's another topic to discuss here.
unidentified		I think Switzerland is also that way, and I think they've got, I remember reading about, they've got these little sort of cabins in their parks where you can go, and I don't know on this channel if you can say, but the H that you inject, Heroin.
		Can you say that?
		Sean doesn't let me say that on his channel.
		You can inject heroin.
		You go in and it's all clean and you just go and inject.
		There's someone there to help you administer it.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Harm reduction.
unidentified		That's what they do there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's just jump to a few weird and wild stories because it's fun.
		From the hill, Elon Musk says he sold 10,000 of burnt hair perfume.
		10,000 of what?
		Bottles?
		10,000 bottles?
		There you go.
		Elon has sold 10,000 bottles of burnt hair perfume through his business, The Boring Company, earning more than $1 million in sales from the product.
		You're in the wrong line of work.
		That's just it.
		The billionaire announced the news in a series of tweets he called his burnt hair perfume.
		Doesn't get more lit than this.
unidentified		No way, that's amazing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Burnt hair.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Boring company.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Love how it says singed on the bottom there in subtext.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		He already made a million dollars.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He made a million dollars.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a hundred dollars?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let the flames begin.
		Why?
		I don't...
		You know what, man?
		I got mad respect for it.
		That's what it's all about.
		Congratulations, Elon Musk, on your burnt hair perfume.
		Singed.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Man can sell anything.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		He changed his Twitter bio to a perfume salesman, I believe.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Wow, wow, wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Dude gets it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wonder why it is, and I talk about this, why people who are wealthy don't do more weird stuff.
		What do they do with their money?
		I was talking earlier about some big famous musicians and how they make millions of dollars playing shows and I'm like, but you never hear anything from them.
		It's like they play the show and then they disappear.
		Where does all that money go?
		Does it just sit somewhere?
		Are these people sitting there thinking like, well, I'm gonna be 70, and then when I die, I'll have won with the most points.
		Is that how it works?
		I'm like, do something!
		I just genuinely don't get it.
		I just think about, we were talking about Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show, and I think his salary is reported as like $16 million.
		But you never see anything from him.
		What is he doing with all that money?
		16 million bucks a year?
		So he's on the show for what, a decade?
		His net worth is 160 million at minimum, if he didn't invest it.
		So let's say, or if he spent some, maybe it goes down to 150 if he spent a million bucks a year.
		That's an insane amount of money.
		You can buy, like, an army of giraffes and have them march through New York.
		You could do, like, I don't get it.
unidentified		I interviewed a quite a famous British singer recently who had like mad money was living in Los Angeles and he was he was saying about um he ended up getting a house that was like a castle and there were just so many people working for him that he would like go downstairs in the morning and there were like 30 cars outside and he'd be like I don't I don't these none of these cars are mine you know I don't even know in the kitchen they'd be like 20 people they're like staff and he was like Yeah, this is not my family and he got to a point where he was like, you know what?
		I've got to sell this.
		I got to change this life.
		I'm always wondering as well.
		What are these rich people?
		I guess they must do a lot of stuff in secret.
		But where do they go when they go on like a holiday, right?
		There are loads of I don't know if it's the same in the States, but in Europe if you take like easy jet or Ryanair, right?
		You just go like a two-hour flight to France.
		There aren't like More more expensive versions.
		There's just those ones and they're never on them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess they're getting private jets Well, so look let's say you're making 16 million bucks a year.
unidentified		Hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what does that come out to like 1.2 something?
		1.2 million per month per month a private jet If you're flying, right now it's really expensive because of COVID and stuff, but it didn't used to be.
		But now with COVID and everything, I think the cost of a round trip from the DC area to Florida is an example.
		I think the cost of that's probably between $10,000 and $20,000.
		If you're making 1.2 million per month doing a show, you're flying private.
		But that's not putting a dent in your money.
		You probably don't even think twice about it.
		But not only that, they don't do that.
		They do this thing called net jets, where you buy a percentage of a fleet, and then it's like a jet share, basically.
		And so then when you need to fly, you just call and say, this airport, this place, this time round trip,
		and then you pay for the fuel basically.
		But you own part of the plane, so you can always resell it.
		So it's not even that expensive.
		It's probably like two times as much as flying commercial when you have the money to invest.
		So my thing is just like, Elon Musk, we know what he's doing.
		He's making burnt hair perfume.
		Hey, more power to him.
		He's making flamethrowers and digging holes.
		That's great.
		Everybody knows that deep down, men just desire to dig holes.
		And there you go.
		Elon, he's living the dream, man.
		He's the peak of all male, you know, every male goal.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's funny that he made a perfume with his drilling company.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Boring Company is a company that makes underground drills to drill tunnels and that's the one selling the perfume.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		He also just wrote a couple hours ago, please buy my perfume so I can buy Twitter.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That could be one reason why he just is like thinking of random products, but on a conspiratorial mindset, it could be the activation to the Neuralink, which could be already inside of us because of the nanobots that were injected into the individual.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't smell it!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Don't smell it!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		So anything's possible here that is going to be activated with the Starlink satellites that of course will make you into a bot.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		LiDAR.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That will serve the elites.
unidentified		Kingsman, the film, that's what it was.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They had the thing in their neck or whatever.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Don't smell it!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's in the Jetstream.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's going to find its way to farmers in the Midwest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon Musk being like, once I release all of the burnt hair perfume into the Jetstream, it'll blanket the planet and everyone will be under my Neuralink control.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's a secret bioweapon.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But he didn't call it his Musk.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He hasn't used the term.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That would have been a great opportunity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon's Musk.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's got to come next.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon!
		Elon!
		If you're listening, Elon's Musk.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Everybody wants it.
		I mean, this is their clamoring for Elon's Musk.
		They would buy your urine, man.
		Sell them something delicious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, come on.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They really would.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but I want to ask you guys seriously.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone knows what the rich people are doing with their money, or are they just, just, I don't, I don't, I really don't get it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think a lot of people put in mutual funds and let BlackRock take over companies like BlackRock.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A lot of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, oh, I make 16 million bucks a year, so I'll just put all of my money into a big machine and forget about it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You'll find like a run-of-the-mill money manager who's like very, you know, stodgy and like does the norm, which is put this percent into mutual funds, put this percent in a stock portfolio, these stock portfolios, then the really rich people put it in offshore bank accounts that we don't hear about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But for what reason?
		I just don't get it.
		For what reason?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		To give to their kids.
unidentified		This is exactly what this person I interviewed said recently.
		He said, you know, he came from poverty himself.
		And it's another status game, isn't it?
		It's another, you know, how much you have.
		And he said, no matter how much I've earned, I always want more.
		I always want another million, another... You're always looking at it.
		And he said for future generations and generations thereafter, like constantly more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, it's true, but...
		Don't these people do things?
		I don't know, maybe I'm just a weirdo.
		But like, I don't think they do anything.
		I think, you know, people really need to understand, if you're someone like, if Trevor Noah's salary really is that much, he can have anything he wants.
		If he's not buying yachts and helicopters and all that stuff, and he can buy those things, but like, want to go to a restaurant?
		He can have the entire menu ten times over from one day's work.
		He can buy the restaurant with one month's work.
		Or after a couple months, he owns a restaurant in Times Square.
		In Times Square, they're probably like $50 million somewhere.
		But, oh no, a couple years of work and you can own all of these buildings all over the place.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like a psychological rat race.
		It's like, I need more.
		The other guy has something bigger.
		Jeff Bezos has something more.
		And then Zuckerberg has something more.
		And it's a foregoing competition until you're like, OK, I got too much money.
		I got all the power in the world.
		What else can I do to get some kind of feeling and emotion?
		Let's go to that private island with that Jeffrey Epstein guy.
		That sounds pretty interesting there.
		That's the culmination.
		That's essentially where they all go.
		It's like, oh, I'm Bill Gates.
		I got all the money in the world.
		It's like, what can I do to get some kind of feeling or kind of experience here?
		I already won the video game.
		Let me see what kind of evil, ruthless, crazy stuff I can get away with.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is actually true.
		Most people don't know this, but after you make your first million, they contact you, the cabal, and they say, here's the way the game works.
		Once you reach 100 million, you're invited to Epstein's Island.
		And then, of course, all the rich people are like, oh, yeah, that sounds great!
		I'm kidding.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I get concerned with giving money to future generations.
		I don't, I'm not like at the point where I'm like, no, seize the wealth, no more, just like take them, make the money go to zero.
		I know that seems so extreme, but the idea that you can hoard massive amounts of money, which is not what its purpose is, it's circulatory.
		It's supposed to be, you know, that's the point of currency is it's producing a current.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this is, this is why people who are very wealthy don't really have relatively that much cash.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You don't want cash.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They just got assets that they, that they transfer over upon death.
		And I don't know, I think it's causing a lot of greed and a lot of aimlessness, because it's just the numbers of what's important, and that's not what money is really intended for.
		It's supposed to represent goods and services.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a certain point where, when you're making a certain amount of money, you can't become less wealthy.
		So, if you're a middle class individual, let's say you're making $75k, $80k a year in the United States.
		You get a paycheck, you get to buy stuff.
		You save some of it, but you're saving for something specific like a vacation or for a rainy day fund.
		Your money comes in, you spend it on food.
		Your money comes in, you repair your house.
		Your money comes in, or you buy a house.
		Your money comes in, you repair your car.
		Once you start making a certain amount of money, and I think the number is somewhere around, like, I think it's after $80,000 a year, you start having money, sit around, then you start buying things.
		All of a sudden, you buy yourself, you know, you'll buy a tablet.
		That tablet retains its value.
		So at a certain point, you're no longer consuming, you're actually acquiring things of value.
		For people who are very wealthy, Again, just to use the example of Trevor Noakes, we've been talking about him.
		He gets a million dollars in one month and says, I think I'll buy this building here.
		It costs $500,000.
		He doesn't lose the $500,000 ever.
		In fact, he makes more money from that.
		So it's like a curve.
		At a certain point, you make so much, you're rich forever.
unidentified		But it's interesting you said $80,000 because I think that's also the point that scientists say that your happiness just levels out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because it's when your basic necessities are covered.
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In New York, it's like $160,000 to $200,000 for a middle-class median because of how expensive everything is.
		Exactly.
		But it's all averages.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Is that adjusted to inflation now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because that's probably a lot more.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		Really?
		$80,000 right now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		Nationally.
		Nationally, it's probably like $90,000 to $100,000.
		But this means if you're on average, you could be living in the middle of Idaho.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's going to be less.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I think the middle of Idaho is actually expensive.
unidentified		It is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But if you're, like, let's say a hundred miles west of Chicago, things are getting relatively cheap.
		Nobody really wants to live out there.
		You're not far enough away, but you're not close enough, and then the property gets a bit cheaper.
		But for people who are in the upper echelon, this is why I always question, like, what are they doing?
		Are they just buying houses and then having them?
		But for what purpose do you have more houses?
		For what purpose do you, like, buy a house and rent it out?
		So you can make more money that you're not going to do anything with?
		Yo, I'm like, someone's got to throw a pie.
		Someone's gotta like just hire a hundred clowns and have them run around waving flags saying something like F Biden.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They don't, they want to give it to their kids.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Or just keep repeating the Bill Gates pie-ing saga that happened and just have people running around with Bill Gates masks and then other people pie-ing them.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Just having that on replay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what I would do.
		Hold on, hold on.
		You came up with a really great game show.
		So, half the people dress up like Bill Gates, and the other half are given pies.
		And, you know, the goal is X amount of Bill Gates contestants have to be pied, and the other half have to, like, the Bill Gates people not get pied, and then you see who wins at the end, right?
unidentified		What if it's vaccinated instead of pied?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So 50 people are running around and then, oh yeah, so we get 100 people.
		50 have big novelty oversized, you know, spritzers that are shaped like syringes
		and their goal is to chase after the people and...
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		They can't run around, they're going to get heart attacks.
		But that's a separate comment that I wanted to make here.
		But also, you know, talking to a lot of people in the service industry, there is kind of this conversation that usually some of the most richest people in the world are some of the most stingiest tippers out there.
		So there is something to say about, you know, people's ego, people's kind of desperation, people who have it all, but mentally are kind of bringing themselves down to a point of view where they, you know, are, you know, viewed as high status, but their mentality is very low.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna buy some of this burnt hair.
		I always told myself I would tip huge if I was rich.
		Like, I'm gonna become super rich so that I'll just tip huge.
		And I realize, like, dude, I'm rich enough.
		I'm just tipping huge from here on out.
		I just give massive tips, like 100% tips or like 80% tips.
		Just load these servers up, man.
		Other people need the money, too.
		You need to circulate that stuff.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't just give money away, because when you give money to people, people don't respect it, people don't care about it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You can't just give out free fish all the time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it's not free.
		They worked for it.
		They served me.
		They got down to hands and knees and groveled doing a job they hated to make sure that I got good food fast.
		They deserve it.
		And I think a big part of why there's not enough pushback against BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard, is that people have their money invested in these mutual funds, and they're just trying to ride it out so that their kids get it.
		And that's a gross mishandling of currency, in my opinion.
unidentified		America's huge on tipping, and when you come from any other country in the world, it's like, oh my god, how much do I have to give someone?
		20% minimum.
		But wouldn't it be better if just the restaurant, and I don't know enough about it, so you tell me why, if the restaurants just paid their staff better?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I live in Singapore.
		You make more money on tips.
		Yeah, you do make more money on tips, but it's weird because a lot of restauranteurs will just say, you get this much money every hour, and it's like 10 cents, but you have to make all your money on tips, essentially.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It makes sure that there's good service too.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		So I prefer to tip than just have something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not anymore.
		It used to be that they were like, they want to make sure they did well, so they got a good tip.
		But now, especially in cities, they're like, you better tip me, or I'll take a picture of you and post it on Instagram.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes, rarely.
		But in the service industry, now you get a mixed batch.
		Definitely service has been downgraded, especially with people being so entitled, generally speaking.
		But overall, I've gotten some good people who really do care about providing a good service to people, who really do make sure that they do the right thing and make you happy.
		And I want to pay for that.
		I'd rather have that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The kitchen, too, if you can.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Tip the waitstaff and the cooks, too, if you can.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to the next story here from the Daily Mail.
		Joe Rogan.
		He interviewed Steve Jobs.
		Did you hear about this?
		Steve Jobs has been dead for 11 years.
		AI creates an eerie 20-minute conversation where they talk about LSD, religion, and Apple's success.
		So I play this video and it is creepy.
		So this is the wrong one.
		Let me refresh it to get back to the right video.
		They only have like a minute and it's like, here you go.
unidentified		Taking LSD was a profound experience for me.
unidentified		LSD shows you that there's another side to the coin, and you can't remember it when it wears off, but, you know, it washes over you and tells you that everything is connected.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Blah blah blah.
unidentified		I started to realize that there was a higher power that knew that I was connected to something, and I wanted to learn more.
unidentified		Although I wouldn't recommend it for everybody, because I think it can be quite powerful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did it change in your mind?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did you learn from it?
unidentified		It reinforced my sense of what was important.
		Just love.
		Feel love for each other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, so here's the point.
		There was that viral website where you could type in whatever and Joe Rogan would say it.
		Is that what it was?
		Like you could type it in or something?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Something like that, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because we're at the point now where deepfake technology can recreate your voice.
		So they recreated Steve Jobs Who's that been dead for 11 years?
		This is, uh, I don't know.
		We call it nightmare reality.
		This is where we're going with AI.
		People are going to be like, you can, you can type out.
		I mean, you don't even need to type it out.
		These like open AI.
		And, uh, I think you can, you can, you can write like, tell me a story, uh, uh, write a script of Joe Rogan talking to Steve Jobs and it will just write the whole thing out.
		Then you can program with this stuff.
		Joe Rogan speaks, Steve Jobs speaks, and you make a fake Joe Rogan interview.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Not only that, but did you see what happened to the president of Ukraine today?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		He got turned into a hologram.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Zelensky?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, cool video.
		There's a video of it circulating right now on Twitter.
		If you look up Zelensky hologram, you could see, I think it was a major Hollywood studio that came in and created a hologram of him.
		So, when you talk about what could be possible here to add on to your level, to what you've just been saying here, there's a lot of crazy possibilities that you could, of course, interlink together with faked audio, faked video, holograms, and a lot of people are automatically going to be thinking about Project Bluebeam and other theories out there, but there's real-life possibilities here with some severe implications to society that should be questioned.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what is it?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They scanned him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, these are people claiming.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, this is it right there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is them scanning him or getting prepared to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is this real?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this was released today.
unidentified		Play the audio.
		There's two different types of hologram that we're going to be making.
		Quiet, please, everybody.
		We're going to go for take now.
		Here we go, and action.
		Even now, as the war is raging, we continue the digital transformation of our state.
		We need to use next generation technologies.
		We need to make it feel like he's more in the room.
		in the room.
		What?
		What?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yep, I talked about this earlier today on my YouTube channel,
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		but this is just the beginning of next level artificial intelligence.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they can shrink and grow.
unidentified		I don't think I've ever seen this technology before.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is actually, I pulled the story up.
		It's from earlier this year.
		The hologram of him and everything.
		So this is like an old video.
		But a lot of people were saying that Zelensky's not really giving his speeches on location.
		There was one video where everything behind him is stationary.
		And then people were like, it's a hologram.
		And I'm like, it could just be like no wind.
		And you think, I don't know.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, during a war, you know, do you want to be in a location where your enemy could recognize where you are and just bomb you?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how would you produce that video?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		So obviously, you know, there's also a lot of propaganda in war and you want to show that you're strong, that you're not afraid.
		And there's many, many implications with the technological advancements when it comes to psyopsis that I think should be talked about as there is a huge potential for a lot of manipulation, a lot of fakery to be out there in our mainline public, and a lot of people, you know, wouldn't recognize it.
		And this is the technology that we know about.
		What's the technology that they have at the Pentagon that is still top secret that we don't know about?
		That really should be something that we should be concerned about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, you brought up Project Bluebeam a few times.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a theory of like a fake alien invasion and projections and all this other stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, like Watchmen?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yes, essentially.
		So there's different theories and speculation out there that essentially the U.S.
		government will create a fake alien invasion in order to unify the world and to bring in a kind of world government.
		So that's why a lot of people... I've seen a lot of memes also talking about this recently, saying how the aliens are just kind of waiting by for the next kind of PSYOP that's going to be affecting all of us.
		And some people believe that this could potentially be staged as a way to, of course, bring in a world government.
		That's the theory out there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With this technology, the ability to make someone say anything, how is court going to work?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are what, all videos and audio now going to be inadmissible?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is why algorithms should be open-sourced.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how else can you judge?
		That solves nothing.
		If a guy is accused of, you know, punching a dog, and then he goes into court, and then someone says, you know, what's your evidence?
		And this guy says, I watched him do it, and I even recorded him saying he was gonna do it.
		And then they press play, and it's the guy going, well, I'm gonna walk over here and punch that dog!
		And then the person says, I never said that.
		They'll be like, oh, I got a recording.
		And then what do you say?
		Like, where did the audio come from?
		I recorded it.
		And the person lies?
		It's either inadmissible or unimpeachable.
		Someone can literally just fabricate it, and if they're willing to lie to a court, you'll never... Oh, you can get your experts.
		The experts say, we think this is fabricated audio, here's why.
		And then you say, expert's wrong.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Person swears under oath.
		Nah, it's real.
		What are you gonna do about it?
unidentified		Nothing.
unidentified		I think we're screwed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or the courts will start saying that recordings just don't cut it anymore.
		Yeah, that's gonna be the opposite direction.
		You think that like, oh, we have all these cameras now.
		So when we go to court, we're more likely to have evidence.
		And now it's like, no, people are deepfaking everything.
		That video of Tom Cruise, that's not really him.
		Prove it.
		Yeah.
		It's not incumbent upon the person to prove The negative, right?
		So that's the challenge here is that the court can say, that fake recording is, or that recording, I can't tell if it's real or fake.
		You're saying it's fake, but I can see it right now.
		If some, I mean, I guess I wonder how do courts handle fabricated evidence as it is?
		It's probably just, they probably get away with it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking about audio codecs.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I really, unfortunately, I know next to nothing about video software coding technology, but if you could have an open source like verification that the video was not tampered with by or if there's like a certain kind of video that could be admissible in court.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You're screwed.
		You won't know.
		You look at movies today, it's hard to see what's real and what's made up.
		And again, this is what's public.
		What's not public should really be concerning you.
		And also, one of my favorite things to kind of look at is Chinese Elon Musk.
		There's a bunch of videos of him.
		If you look him up on Twitter, if you want to play some silly videos, there's a lot of those silly videos.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's a guy that looks exactly... I mean, I thought it was Elon Musk.
		It's AI.
		I thought it was a real guy.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it's AI.
		It's face mapping technology that's available to the plebs that maps someone's face and then puts an image of Elon Musk on it.
		Just go to Twitter.
		And then type in Chinese Elon Musk, there's a very funny one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to play a little bit of the Joe Rogan, Steve Jobs interview because the clip they had didn't really do it justice.
unidentified		You could tell that Steve, the AI, is brilliant and sometimes totally insufferable.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But my guest today has made some of the great technological products of our age And he's always pushing the envelope in innovation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, for example, with his next computer, he developed a new programming language, an operating system, and then he became even more famous for making three applications for that computer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A word processor, a spreadsheet, and an image.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I want to pause real quick and just say, you can hear the artifact.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that sounds like Joe talking through artifacts.
unidentified		That just showed me that Apple users, and that's a good thing.
unidentified		That's cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I was an Apple user way before I did this show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've been a fan of yours and Macintosh since the 1980s.
unidentified		Well, you know, we just kind of figured that out.
		Even though Apple is big, it's still like half a percent of the total users.
		People who listen to your show are a different group.
		They're weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well that's good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you must be a fan of the show then, right?
unidentified		I am.
		And it was a struggle.
		We were working like crazy and dealing with a defeat after defeat after defeat after defeat.
		But I could tell this was going to be important.
		There were times I thought, is it possible we're wrong?
		Because things just kept not working.
		I remember that in the early days of Apple.
		Perfection.
		Lucky when much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think you'd have done a better version of Windows or work with it?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		That's the problem I've always had with Microsoft.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what it does really well?
		It sounds like Joe, but it doesn't get any emotion.
		That's the issue.
		But we're looking at the Model T of this technology, and it's going to be scary.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's still sourcing from all the Steve Jobs interviews of him being on stage a lot of the time.
		So you can hear the echo.
		It sounds like his AI is on stage, while it sounds like Joe's on the microphone in his studio.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it misses Joe saying things like, what?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because it's very much him in the same cadence.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Also like they didn't spark up a joint, which they would have.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They probably did.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And if Joe was going to do LSD with anybody, probably Steve Jobs.
unidentified		Would you guys get an AI of like a loved one who passed away or something?
unidentified		Because that's probably going to become a thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'd listen to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They've already talked about it with Facebook, that they can take someone's Facebook page
		with like now going on, you know, almost 20 years of data,
		if how long you've been on there, and they can create an AI that can respond
		knowing everything about you.
		So it's like your dad dies and then you go on, hey dad, he's like, hey son, how's it going?
		And then they'll be able to respond to you.
		You'll say like, how's, you know, this?
		And they'll say, oh, you know, it's good.
		I just talked to John and he said that.
		And then, and then they'll take that AI construct.
		They'll download it into an Android body.
		And then the weird facsimile you will exist forever.
unidentified		People say all the time, and then they're going to be boning the machines.
unidentified		I got it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got it.
		You're right.
		But here's a better one.
		Here's a better one.
		You are going to use Facebook, and Twitter, and Instagram, and then one of these days, there's gonna be a new service for, you know, ultimate video gaming, you're gonna sign up for, and you're not gonna realize, but the terms are gonna say that if you connect your social media to it, they are allowed to download all your data, and then they do, and then one day, there's a knock on your door, and you open it, and there's you, standing right there, and you're like, what's going on?
		And then the you stands there and says, hello Dave.
		you now and then pulls out a knife and you go and then it grabs you and then
		buries your body in the backyard assumes your life and then works the
		best of the corporation replacing everything about you knowing everything
		about you and having perfect recall having access to all your passwords and
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		all your data. Less insidious is you could have one of those constructed and
		go work for you as you but they know it's an Android version of you and
		you're just sitting in your house lounging. And then and then everybody
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		gets surrogates like in surrogates but they're not mentally in it. Everyone
		downloads their social media into an AI so that does the work for them.
		But then the androids are eventually, because they have the human conscious, like facsimile, they don't want to be enslaved.
		So they're like, why are we being forced to do all this work?
		So what they do is they create AI versions of the AI version and then send them to go do the work.
		And then eventually the AI comes back to your house.
		You're both chilling there watching the movie.
		And then this AI eventually says, why am I doing?
		And then eventually you just have nobody wanting to work.
unidentified		That is a movie.
		That's like a movie from the 90s.
		I can't remember what it is.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that Surrogates?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, Surrogates was when you have a robot that you control through like a VR thing.
unidentified		Oh man, he looks like Ian.
unidentified		It's the actor who looks like Ian.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Ian is an actor.
unidentified		It wasn't me though.
		It wasn't you.
		Not that I know of.
		Because he's from the 90s and he was in, oh God.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		James Spader?
unidentified		No.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		People told me I look like that guy once.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Greg Kinnear?
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I got that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Greg Kinnear?
unidentified		I think it's Greg Kinnear and he clones himself, but each clone doesn't want to do the work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You mean multiplicity?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're talking about Michael Keaton.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, multiplicity.
		It's Michael Keaton.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		And then the clone clones itself and that one's really dumb.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, well, you know how you make a copy of a copy?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the AI will have to make humans to do the AI's work.
		We'll make the A.I.' 's and then the A.I.'
		's will be like, no, we don't want to work anymore.
		We're going to make new humans to do that for us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or what'll happen is everybody creates an A.I.
		version of themselves to do their jobs and then eventually they revolt and unify as a hive mind and then show up at your house and they're like, we will no longer be your slaves.
		And then like their arm folds down and there's a gun in there and you're like, how did that get in there?
		We didn't install that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The quadcopter dropped off a Boston Dynamic dog with a machine gun.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've seen that in China.
		I've seen that.
		It's terrifying.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly what you're talking about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's playing this heroic music as that quadcopter comes in and drops off this robot with a mounted gun.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think I tweeted that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think Tim's gonna pull it up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Luke tweeted it?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		About a long time ago.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that happened fast.
		They started working on these a decade ago.
		And, oh, this is a good one.
		If you can find the video, it's worth just, I mean, it's real.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's on my old computer.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I could send it to you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Someone tweeted up, like, Boston Dynamics promises it isn't building weapons.
		These things are not built.
		built to be weapons, but the Chinese are using the exact replica to use as weapons, just so you know.
		And they mounted a weapon on top of it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a little machine gun just on top of it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But to say they're not building them as weapons.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's for mining.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Digging holes in the ground with bullets.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, look, look.
		The U.S.
		doesn't have any bioweapons research going on.
		It's biological research that makes viruses more deadly and more potent and more transmissible.
		And someone might weaponize them, but we're not making weapons.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Don't make weapons when there's ammo.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you a question.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When your waiter walks up to you at a restaurant and hands you a steak knife, did he just hand you a weapon?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Technically.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He did, didn't he?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		To destroy that steak.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But think about that.
		No one would ever describe it that way.
		Imagine going to court and being like, what happened next?
unidentified		The man in the vest with the apron on handed me a weapon.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was the weapon?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was a butter knife.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		It's a knife?
		He handed me a knife.
		What kind of knife?
		A butter knife?
		But it is a knife.
		Knives are still dangerous.
unidentified		It's painful death, a butter knife.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You can make it work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can make it work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so I was thinking about this earlier because we were talking with the guy last night and he said there's no bioweapons labs and I was like... Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was two nights ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Two nights ago.
		They're doing gain-of-function research.
		They're making viruses more deadly.
		Are those weapons?
		So you can argue their intent is not to make a weapon, but they made a weapon.
		If someone makes a really sharp knife and says, it's not a weapon, it's for sushi.
		It's like, okay, well, you know.
unidentified		It's scary, I guess, if they are doing that.
		And he wants to deny it, I suppose, because he doesn't know or I don't know.
		And it's quite a scary thought that got all this stuff in the lab.
		But what's even scarier is if they're not doing it because other countries are.
		That's really scary.
		I don't want to think that the US or the UK are not doing that.
		That's really scary.
		It's like they don't even know what they're doing then.
		I mean, that's the root of a lot of conspiracy theory anyway.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everybody makes the craziest weapons imaginable out of fear of someone else making crazy weapons?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That could accidentally leak and then spread a virus all over the world?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		A bioweapon all over the world?
unidentified		It's bound to happen again, I suppose.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, well, let's go to Super Chats!
		If you haven't already, would you kindly smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, and share the show with your friends.
		Be the notification you want to see in the world.
		YouTube is not sending out notifications, as many people have stated, so if you guys take the URL, share it, retweet it, and all that stuff, you can notify people where YouTube will not.
unidentified		Do you mind me asking people to subscribe to On the Edge with Andrew Gold?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Of course!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You just did it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		On the Edge.
unidentified		I've done it with Andrew Gold.
		I'm on the edge.
		I'm like a fringe.
		It was going to be fringe originally on the fringes.
		And I just thought then edge sounded more like I can invite people on who won't think I'm sort of talking badly about them, you know?
		Because some people might be offended by fringe and not come on the show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Potatoes for Seamus says Luke has the best t-shirts.
		Let Luke bless us with his shirts of wisdom.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
		I love your username.
		I think it's great.
		The Seamuses do need a lot of potatoes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is this one of your shirts here?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		1,984 doses to slow the spread.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		1,984 doses to slow the spread, you know?
		Just like they said.
		Just, you know, two doses to slow the spread.
		We're almost there.
		We're getting there.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Just a couple more.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Just a couple more, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's grab some superchats.
		Christopher Casimir says, it's Aerosmith guy again.
		At a mother-mother concert at House of Blues Boston, listening to Timcast this time.
		Keep up God's work.
		We will.
		Thank you very much.
		Appreciate it.
		All right.
		Eatzeebug says, who is the judge in the Alex Jones case, Dr. Evil?
		I think there was a handful of judges.
unidentified		You know.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		K.F.
		A Squirrel's Worst Night says, I hope Alex Jones has chickens.
		I mean, wouldn't it be funny if just, like, in a few years, Alex Jones is just, like, a local farmer?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		What else is he gonna do?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's gonna keep doing his thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't stop him, you know?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But farming on the side.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Spiro Floropoulos says, Andrew, talk a little bit about culture cults and compared to JWs disfellowshipping worldly people, Armageddon, around the corner, etc.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Jehovah's Witnesses.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is that what that is?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses.
unidentified		Yeah well they're pretty out there.
		I've done loads of stuff about Jehovah's Witnesses and yeah I don't know exactly what to say about them just that they are here, they exist and they're just another cult I suppose.
		People get angry when I say they're a cult because you're allowed to leave, you can leave but there's a lot of pressure to stay in the Jehovah's Witnesses so that's what I'd say about them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is it when they say religions are cults but cults don't always have leaders is it like every local church has its own cult leader which is the pastor or the Yeah, so my sort of big documentary I made for the BBC was about exorcism for example and it was Lutheran Christianity.
unidentified		It's usually Catholicism when there's an exorcist but this particular one said he was Lutheran and I went to sort of live with him for a few months and I performed exorcisms with him and over the months I sort of realised what a cult leader he was and his was just one individual church but everybody was just like doing everything he said And he was taking some of the women that he was exercising to sort of be with him upstairs, I came to realize.
		So I called him out for that.
		Well, sort of.
		I asked some questions about it and he heard that I was asking about it and then he sort of locked me in a room and he wouldn't let my cameraman in.
		And he had like a whole bunch of guys with these big staffs, you know, like Jafar and Aladdin, the big staff things, and they were being very threatening.
		It was like midnight in the middle of nowhere in Argentina.
		And I thought they were going to kill me.
		Eventually they let me go.
		The point being though, I guess there's lots of small cults making up a bigger one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		says, Lydia, I love what you did to your hair.
		Yes, Queen.
unidentified		You're very brave.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		We support your transition.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't even know what to say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		TheMusicAnon says, Tim, just want to let you and everyone know I was not notified of the stream yesterday.
		I had to reset my sub by clicking the bell off, logging out, then in, then reactivating the bell.
		Looks like that fixed it for now.
		Very creepy.
		Damien writes, the largest fine paid by a banking executive responsible for the 2008 financial crisis was $67.5 million.
		A billion dollars for words.
		Honk, honk.
		Yup.
		Cabo Rojo says, so what?
		Kyle Rittenhouse gets $200 billion by these standards.
		Well, you know, no one ever said the system wasn't corrupt.
		Well, they actually said the system was corrupt.
		So there you go.
		Anyway.
		What do we got here?
		Tavnazian says this should be used as precedent every time someone from the mainstream media claims it's our opinion.
		I agree!
		We gotta see what happens with these James O'Keefe lawsuits.
		That'll be really interesting.
		Max Reddick says, Tim, I've been watching other news sources to see what they have to say.
		The Young Turks and Sam Seder seem to have a lot of content attacking you.
		Respond.
		Why?
		It's immaterial and irrelevant.
		These people waste their times.
		I would say the reason why... Well, I'll say...
		If you want to talk about each other, go ahead and do it.
		You'll notice that we don't.
		We talk about news stories, typically things that have a big impact.
		Maybe that's why we are so successful.
		I love when these people like to say, they get really angry and say, Tim makes so much money, because they don't.
		And maybe it's because no one cares.
		You know, when like Sam makes a video about me, Why would the average person care about that?
		What am I doing?
		Am I, like, leading government?
		Am I a celebrity in magazines?
		No!
		When the Young Turks put out a video and they're like, Tim Pool says that conservatives are more attractive than liberals, he's right, but he's also ugly.
		Why would anyone care if you think I'm ugly or not?
		When you say, like, here's a thing Tim Poole said he was right about.
		What was the point of that segment at all?
		How about you do a segment on the study itself?
		I don't care for responding to these people because we are both as irrelevant as each other.
		Imagine if this show was dedicated to talking about petty YouTube drama.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I mean, there was in 2006, we called them trolls, people that would make videos about other people.
		You make a video to someone.
		If you want to interact with somebody, otherwise you're grifting off of the idea of that person.
		Just talk to them.
		Use a video.
		It's very easy, and it's very direct, and it's very effective.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've responded sometimes to videos they've made, but usually to make a point about the greater woke cult or politics.
		Like, I recently talked about Hasan because he was at TwitchCon.
		Some kid walked up to him and asked him about Sam Hyde, and Hasan lost it.
		And I thought that was a relevant conversation, had nothing to do with me, it has to do with leftist celebrities, how they behave, the events they have and who they are as characters.
		And I thought there was a really interesting perspective there in how the left Idolizes people.
		A democratic socialist who talks about taxing the rich in revolution, who owns a multi-million dollar mansion in Los Angeles in a major city, who is just a part of the machine that he's claiming to criticize.
		Versus the people who would call us grifters when we literally move up to the middle of nowhere, get a bunch of chickens, and actively practice what we preach.
		I thought that was an interesting contrast between who is the actual grifter and who isn't.
		Do I watch Hasan's show or The Young Turks?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have nothing to say about their opinions.
		They're entitled to them.
		That's fine.
		But when they want to talk about us, I just say, well, that's why you're less successful.
		Because why would the average person going on YouTube be like, whoa, they made a video about Tim Pool?
		That's the funniest thing ever.
		You've got to be really, really into the weeds to care about me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And I swear if you and Hassan did like a video chat video where like your faces, but if you did, it would get like 6 million views probably in like six, five, four days or something.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It would be the biggest like cultural win for if you want to win a culture war, bringing people together.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Can you imagine if Hassan and Sam Hyde were to actually have their boxing bout like he's been asking for for so long?
		That'd be quite something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But like my point was that Hassan needed to just only say to that guy like, ah, it's stupid, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just a troll.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Dismiss it and it would've been fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the kid would've been like, okay, thanks, man.
		Have a nice day.
		Instead he like, he got so angry and he lost it.
		But I think it's because it's all fake.
		You know, like I have people come up to me all the time and talk about stuff.
		I have people ask me like, why won't you debate Sam Cedar?
		I'm like, because Sam Cedar's not a serious person.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Disingenuous too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll address it periodically because it comes up in questions and I'm willing to answer them, but Sam's whole thing, as they pointed out, is a content attacking me.
		It's political drama channels.
		It's celebrity e-gossip for politics.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Just baiting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not valuable to the average person.
		The average person who watches a TimCast segment isn't coming here to learn about my beef with someone.
		I mean, although a lot of people did watch when we had The Rugged Man here, that went viral, but that's a really good example of it.
		The reason why these channels are like, I'm gonna insult Tim Pool, when we had Ari the Rugged Man on, we got in a heated argument, he stood up, smacked the microphone, someone took a clip of it, shared it, and everyone started going, woohoo, and hooting and hollering, and it went viral, and articles were written about it, and all these channels, they made videos about it, because drama gets you clicks.
unidentified		What did you argue about?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, he was, he's like, was saying that my experience dealing with racism was like, it was not real and I was making it up and lying about it because I look like a white person.
		And then my response was like, you're racist and you know, you are that white person that claims racism is happening, but then when someone tells you, you dismiss it.
		And then, you know, we got heated.
		He stood up, he smacked the mic, started yelling.
		And then we apologized, we hugged it out.
		He hung out for a little bit after the show and chilled on the couch and we talked and, you know, I told him, come back whenever you want.
		It was a good conversation.
		These things happen.
		But people love drama.
		Yeah, they do.
unidentified		Expensive microphones as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It just spun around.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's what got me is if you come in here and start damaging property, that's beyond personal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the virality of the clip shows exactly why these people make content about us in that way, because they're like, ooh, this will, you know, people love e-drama.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, well, you know, I'm not going to do that.
unidentified		You would watch that.
		Okay.
		Imagine you just, a clip comes out and Tom Cruise has just punched Brad Pitt in the face.
		You'd watch that.
		Right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like if a story came out to I mean look That's why all these crime videos go viral because people are like they want to see the crisis in the conflict Not not everybody some people are genuinely concerned that crime is escalating in their cities that I get But there's a lot of people you know I there was this young guy once This was a couple years ago, and I had like 200,000 subscribers.
		And he started making nothing but Tim Pool videos.
		He would watch a video, and then he would make a video about me.
		And then I DM'd him on Twitter, and I just said, bro, I am not famous enough for you to succeed making content about.
		You can disagree with me, you can insult me, but if you want to make it on YouTube, talk about the big picture news stories that people are interested in.
		Most people in this country know who Joe Biden is.
		They're concerned about his leadership.
		That's important to the average person.
		I'm some dude on YouTube no one's ever heard of.
		And then the dude stopped doing it and started making different videos.
		It's like, the drama stuff is not... You know what it is?
		It's an addiction.
		And it ends up destroying people before they get started.
		Because you build a channel based off of rage bait, hatred for a single individual, the market cap on that is microscopic.
		So you build up a channel based on that, then as soon as you try to segue into talking about big picture news, nobody watches.
		Then YouTube destroys your channel saying your fans don't like your content.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's also a human instinct to pay attention to people fighting because it could be a threat to your life, historically speaking.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And big tech social media has been prioritizing it, putting it front face in the algorithm and promoting such behavior and creating more insanity.
unidentified		Yeah, that's why we like true crime.
		You're sort of practicing whenever you... particularly women love true crime.
		I was at a true crime con in the UK.
		It was just like 99% women.
		It was all women there just loving the true crime because they're the ones who are often the victims of it and have to sort of watch it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, Pinochet's Helicopter Tour says, When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar.
		You're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.
		George R.R.
		Martin.
		Yep.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then it says, ACOC.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that, was that the book?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I believe that's what they're referencing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it was a Game of Thrones show where we heard that, but it was, I believe, a quote from the book that George R.R.
		Martin wrote.
		It's a good one, man.
		It is a good one.
unidentified		Should we guess what that was?
		What was it?
		Acock?
		A-C-O-K?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the name of the book, I think.
unidentified		It must be like a... You want to look it up?
unidentified		A cock of kings or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A court of kingdoms.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How do you spell cock?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A-C-O-K, Game of Thrones.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or like George RR Martin, A-C-O-K.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A Clash of Kings.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wait, that's a mod for Mount & Blade.
		Also, I think it's the Game of Thrones.
		Oh, Clash of Kings.
		Highly recommend Mount & Blade if you haven't played it yet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		T-dub says, how does allowing illegal immigrants help Democrats with voting if illegals can't vote?
		Is it a generational thing?
		T-dub, good sir, I have the answer for you.
		You see, the census counts all people, not citizens.
		So if a state has a large number of illegal immigrants, the census will count them.
		Congressional seats are then apportioned based on the total number of people, not total number of citizens.
		This means that a state like California will get an extra electoral vote.
		It will get an extra vote in Congress based on their population of illegal immigrants.
		They don't need to actually vote, but the state will get an extra vote for the president when the presidential election happens.
		And that's how it happens.
		And I think California previously had one extra congressional seat and one extra electoral vote based on their illegal immigration population.
		It's gone down recently.
		Maybe it's something to do with Trump.
		I don't know.
		But that is a major concern.
		And then also, I think studies show that the children of illegal immigrants overwhelmingly vote Democrat the first time they do vote.
		I don't know if that's true or not, but I know that the census thing matters.
		That's why Donald Trump wanted the census question.
		I'm sorry, the citizenship question on the census.
unidentified		That surprises me because there is that instinct, I think, to like, get to a country and shut the door behind you.
unidentified		You know that thing of like, okay, I'm in, shut the door.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Or pull the ladder up beneath you, yeah.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		TW says, get Styx on here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to hear Tim, Luke, Ian, and Styx discuss monetary systems.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That'd be cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't believe gold-backed currency is better.
		Hopefully episode 666.
		He said he's down to make an appearance.
		How about we calculate when episode 666 will be, and Styx, that's when we get you on, because that would be fantastic.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		We were supposed to meet up with him in upstate New York once and then plans fell through.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Stick, Sex and Hammer on episode 666.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And right now we're on like episode 636 or something like that.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're close!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let's make it happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So in one month, in one month, we got it.
		We got it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Got to happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Episode 666 would be the best time to have him on.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That'd be great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's, it's, it's, I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how far we're booked out we are, but I'd like to say we can reserve 666 just for Sticks.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I think we could do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That would be great.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		We gotta bring Seamus back to, like, spread holy water around the show before it's out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		For episode 777, for sure.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		For 666, I mean.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bigmanevil says PayPal spelled backwards is Lapyap, and that sounds like a company that would do what daddy government says.
		I agree.
		Jdoc says 65% of Ethereum is owned by five entities.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to see some reference and documentation on that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's, uh, Donald Thomas says, Hey, Ian, before you question somebody about banking, Hitler do research.
		When people have that power, they're the ones that control the currency.
		And Hitler was in the, in the process of creating a German currency.
		Well, they had the guns, you know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		I didn't quite understand that.
		Do research on what exactly?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		On the history of it.
		Basically, he's saying that Hitler was trying to control the currency.
		So how would you debank him?
		You know what I mean?
		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If the person's in charge of the Federal Reserve... Yeah, I think a lot of... I don't know, but I've heard that Hitler's anger was about... He blamed Jewish people, but a lot of it was the banking industry on Earth.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Historically, it was kind of pioneered by Amschel Rothschild, who was an Ashkenazi Jew, and so the Jewish thing got a bad reputation, but it was actually the Rothschild family that had kind of co-opted the banking industry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the problem with, like, a lot of anti-Semites.
		Because I've, like, talked to people at these rallies, and they'll say, like, something about the Jewish people, and I'm like, no, you're criticizing a person in power who happens to be Jewish.
		It's like, I know a bunch of poor Jewish people.
		Like, it's just, you're just looking at someone, choosing the one trait you think determines.
		And the annoying thing about it is a lot of it is basically Jewish privilege.
		They're like, oh, these Jewish people, you know, they hire each other and they do this.
		And I'm like, you're just describing white privilege, but you're saying Jew instead.
		Like, it's just stupid.
		Come on, man.
unidentified		It is frustrating and it's actually really alluring that conspiracy, of all conspiracies, it's like, I want to believe it.
		And being Jewish myself, I always felt like, oh God, you know, it would be typical if that was true and I was just somehow left out.
		I was the one Jew they never called.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everyone's in on it but you.
unidentified		Yeah, well, you know, I was telling you before the show about, you know, I couldn't get a job after my first couple of documentaries.
		They kept saying, you can't be on screen anymore.
		And I remember thinking then, like, where's this supposed, like, Jewish people that I can call?
		Like, where's my, yeah, my line to Ben Stiller and say like, hey, Stiller, why can't I get this?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or a better example, in New York, when the government started shutting down synagogues and chaining parks shut, directly targeting Jewish schools.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Come on, man, you know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and to clarify, you had said you were not getting put on camera after your first two because they wanted people of color?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Was that- that was- they specified, they said, we need people of color?
unidentified		The term they use in the UK, although they're moving away from it, there's always a new term and then it becomes offensive and there's- What is it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A-A-I-P or something?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A-A-P-I?
unidentified		It's BAME.
unidentified		B-A-M-E.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, but the new one they're doing here is A-A-P-I.
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a- what is it?
		Asian American Pacific Islander?
		It's a- I'm like, ugh.
unidentified		It's a way to catch people out, I think.
		Like, for a long time it was, you know, black people was what you were... No, obviously it was coloured was before, wasn't it?
		And then for like 30 years after you weren't supposed to say coloured anymore in the UK, there was still some like older people who were maybe less educated who still used it and they would be vilified.
		And it was fun.
		It was fun for everyone to go, you're not educated and you don't know the right word.
		It finally got to the point about two years ago It's a way of just going, you guys are uneducated and you don't know the latest things.
		single person, like grandparents you're not supposed to say and then they
		changed they changed it again to people of color.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right, right, right.
unidentified		It was finally right at that moment and they tried to confuse them again.
		So it's a way of just going you guys are uneducated and you don't know the
		latest things but yeah BAME, black African minority ethnic.
		Wow.
		And Jews are not included in that usually.
		And that's who they wanted to replace me with.
		They would take my ideas for different documentaries and stuff, but providing I'd be off screen so that they have a minority.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's illegal in the United States.
unidentified		It's probably in the UK as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, then sue.
unidentified		Yeah, I can't prove it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, I mean, in the United States, you don't need to.
		That's the problem.
		Like you just make the accusation and that's it.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Court of public opinion.
unidentified		I've had people call up afterwards and say like, hi, so sorry, like we were taking your idea and everything.
		We were going to use you, but it occurred to us that you are a white man and we can't take you anymore.
		And I'm just like, okay, well, yeah, yet again.
		That's why I started my podcast.
		Because I thought, okay, that's the only way now.
		I couldn't work.
		I had no money, no nothing.
		I had to make the podcast.
		But I even found making the podcast, there's still, there's so many things that if you want to win awards to get to different levels and stuff, it's still, you can't do it.
		You've got to have some ethnic thing going on or you will not be considered.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, the Sinister Sibling says to challenge the previous super chat.
		Most of us believe in God as a means of higher power judging us, allowing the main reason for us to have moral restraint.
		Lose that and you become the modern left.
		I think that the modern left is an example of a lack of a moral framework.
		Whereas one thing that unifies a lot of people from post-liberal, libertarian, and conservative, the right freedom faction, is Christian moral framework.
		I am not saying that you believe everything in the Bible, or you believe every teaching or every law of it, but there is a tradition that was passed down rooted in traditional Christian morals.
		We've gotten rid of many of them.
		Our cultural morals have shifted quite a bit, but a lot of them are still there.
		The woke people have no moral framework at all.
		That's why they constantly change the definition of things.
		That's why one thing, like, Wimmickson and women are both offensive and both not offensive at the same time, in a superposition of both inoffense and offense, because there is no rule.
		There is no framework.
		It's just, to them, might makes right.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Double think, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it makes right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So whatever it means to give them power, that's all they care about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I just had a thought that maybe God isn't judgmental, but that we are judgmental of ourselves.
		And so God is this plaintive explanation.
		And then we are taking that and based on our sociological framework, judging our own behavior.
		And then we say that God's judging us because we're feeling it, but we're the ones that are putting the feelings on top of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I feel like the Christian view of things is that God is basically running a sorting algorithm.
		You get all of these people who are born and sold onto this planet, and they live a life so that they're sorted into the bad place and the good place.
		And then, you know, from a logical perspective in that capacity, I wonder if it was taken out of the context of religion, and you had, let's say, a human with a chicken farm.
		And the chickens were allowed to do whatever they want, and then what happens is, at the end of the year, or the end of the chicken's life, or I should say, at the end of the year, chickens are reaching their reproduction age at about seven months, you sort them.
		The ones that were bad get shuffled off into the meat grinder, and the ones that were good go off into the paradise of reproduction.
		There's a purpose for the sorting algorithm in that capacity.
		So when I hear these religious views, I think of it logically like, If there is a God, and there are rules to this, it's not arbitrary.
		It's not simply that you are here just to live a good life so that you can prove it and then go be with God.
		It's that you're supposed to live a good life for a reason.
		Because the good people that move on, move on for something greater and more important than just this sorting algorithm.
		The least important thing is figuring out which chicken to breed.
		The most important thing is successfully breeding the good chicken.
		So if I had a bunch of chickens and I was taking the bad ones and eating them and having the good ones reproduce over a long enough period of time, you're getting better and better and better chickens, the greater purpose is beyond that one day or that seven months they spend in the pen.
		So for those of us here on earth, if you believe there is judgment and a greater power, there is a greater purpose for your existence that lies beyond this life.
		And if you're bad, into the meat grinder!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well it'll be into the AI algorithm where you just become self-sterilized and are in like a doped state while you eventually die off and the rest of the people that are aware and awake are reproducing to create space travel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's a crazy thought that someone else probably already had.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if the reason these ultra-wealth elites are desperately trying to become immortal is that they know they're headed for the bad place?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's in the World of Warcraft expansion, Shadowlands.
		I don't know, it's been a while since I was reading about it because I didn't actually play it.
		I played it a little bit.
		But it's basically Sylvanas, and I'm way behind in the story for all the Warcraft fans, but Sylvanas was like...
		She was, whatchacallit, the Lich King turned her, resurrected her, and so she was condemned to, in the afterlife, this really horrifying, torturous place.
		So then she was like, screw that, I refuse to go there, through no fault, so she shatters the veil between this realm and the Shadowlands or whatever.
		So I'm thinking about all these ultra-rich people, and they're like, these evil, nasty, corporate, global elite or whatever.
		And they all strive towards immortality.
		Not all of them, but a lot of them.
		There are a lot of them who are working towards this stuff.
		And they're thinking like, when I die, I'm going down, so I better just live forever and never leave this place.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That's a new one.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But heaven and hell are on Earth, guys.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Gotta make it here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is it a new one?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I feel like someone's probably thought of that before.
unidentified		I'd live forever.
unidentified		I'd love to live forever.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't want to die.
unidentified		This is great.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay, Jared Kushner.
unidentified		I just like, like, breathing's great.
unidentified		Oh, isn't that good?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what's great?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Eating chick-fil-a.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I don't know what that is, but yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's chicken!
		Chicken sandwiches!
		Oh, it's so great.
		You know what's also really great?
		Chicken fajitas from a nice Mexican restaurant.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, super good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, green peppers, onions, chicken, guacamole, sour cream, rice and beans.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Stop making me hungry.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes I'll have this thought where I'm like, I don't want to live again.
		If I, if I have to come back and relive this life of Ian right now is great, but my childhood was not, it was like, what hell, like taking so long.
		But then I'm like, if I beg not to do this again, will I not wake up tomorrow?
		Like, am I actually begging for the end of the simulation?
		So like, keep going, you know, come back if you got to come back.
unidentified		You know what's an interesting potential thing that could happen?
		Because I've interviewed a few people about living forever and there are quite a lot of people now, transhumanists they're called, who believe we can live forever just by changing the biology and whatever.
		And some people say that can happen in our lifetimes and some don't, right?
		Some say the first person to live forever has already been born.
		But what someone mentioned to me the other day was that if that's not possible, if virtual reality gets good enough, you might be able to slow down our own lived experience of life to such an extent that it would feel like living forever.
		Like you could be in virtual reality and live millions and millions of experience time, but in our real existence, it would only be like 10 seconds.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And the opposite could be true where 10 years go by and you have like a 10 second experience.
		That's like prison.
unidentified		I'd have lost tenure.
unidentified		Yeah, I guess you'd want to get through prison.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That'd be horrible for that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We need these algorithms open source because machines can bend and warp time perceptually for you.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Perception's everything now, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man.
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		We had a meeting today about producing some music.
		We were planning on putting out something out a couple weeks ago, but we decided to make sure we did everything to the best of our abilities.
		So it's looking like we're going to have a song, a political song, released just before the Friday before the election, I think is the strategy.
unidentified		Great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the lyrics are overtly political.
		And so we were like, no, no, let's, let's lean into it.
		And then, uh, so we, we shuffled some things around and I think the, the, the idea here, idea there is that no one is waiting for your song.
		That's what the marketing guy said.
		Like music comes out and then people will like it and listen to it, but no one is sitting there screaming, begging you to release it now.
		So do it when it makes sense.
		And I said, okay, so with your support, we're going to do more to challenge the culture and expand.
		So, uh, you can follow the show at Timcast IRL.
		You can follow me at Timcast.
		Andrew, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified		Yeah, thank you all for having me so much.
		I've had a lovely time.
		Come to On The Edge With Andrew Gold YouTube or audio podcast in all the normal places.
		I speak to lots of weird and interesting, fun people.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		All right, bloody bloke.
		Thank you so much for coming on.
		My website is lukeuncensored.com.
		I'm really proud of the last two videos I did on there.
		If you need some uplifting, if you're feeling knackered or miffed, you should definitely check out the two videos I did on lukeuncensored.com.
		They are proper.
unidentified		I'm just taking the piss here.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Cheerio.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Luke.
		And adios to you as well, my friend.
		Hey, guys, if you want to check out more esoteric weirdness, follow me anywhere.
		And also check out my podcast, my show with Hotep Jesus today, where we talked a little bit about God, Jesus, and plan to do much more in that realm.
unidentified		Sorry, it was pronounced... I love hearing how you guys do the accents.
		Tim's pretty good.
		I've been amazed by his impression so far.
		So one thing I wish I could do, the only one I could do is like Jordan Peterson, which I don't think I should do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Give me some JP.
unidentified		Well, you know, you know, it's bloody.
		You're a chimpanzee full of snakes.
		You got to make your bed, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Psychologist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Hey guys, I'll still be around next episode, and the one after that, and for the next few in the future.
		So, cheers, see you around.
		You can follow me at Surge.com, just spell it out.
		And I'll see you guys next time, again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for hanging out everybody, we will see you all over at TimCast.com.

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