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Oct. 10, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Russia MISSILE STRIKES German Embassy, Trump Warns WW3 Is Coming, AGAIN w/Drew Miller

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The big news over the weekend.
		The bridge to Crimea from Russia was bombed.
		Now the mainstream media, they're saying, we don't know who did it.
		Some reports are that obviously it was Ukrainian military of some sort.
		Why wouldn't it be?
		Why would it be anybody else?
		Unless you want to argue there's a third party trying to instigate war, it makes perfect sense that Ukraine is going to try and cut off Russia from Crimea and try and take Crimea back.
		In response to this, Vladimir Putin launched 84 missiles peppering the entire country.
		About forty of them, at least the reporting I saw, were intercepted.
		Several of them landed.
		The most worrisome, of course, was the German embassy being hit by the Russian strike.
		So, obviously now there's concerns over escalation.
		Germany is going to be sending in some kind of missile defense.
		Joe Biden has promised some kind of missile defense.
		So...
		I don't know, World War 3?
		Donald Trump is warning about it again, saying that we need to stop this now.
		We need to negotiate, he's offered help in the past, that we may be entering World War 3 and we have no time to waste.
		Now back on the domestic front, we have big news that I have to address, and that's PayPal.
		Because you may have seen the news that PayPal launched this policy where if you engage in hate speech or misinformation, they can fine you, charge your account $2,500.
		They quickly backtracked after Elon Musk and some other PayPal, a former president of PayPal, called them out and said everyone should just shut their accounts down.
		I think PayPal got hurt by this.
		Because we can see on our end, the people who still use PayPal, even though we've gotten off the website, we've lost a decent amount of users.
		And we're getting emails from people saying, that's it, the final straw, they're switching over.
		We're gonna talk about this story.
		PayPal is backtracking.
		It was an error.
		There are some documents, archives, suggesting it wasn't and that they're just panicking.
		It's backfiring.
		But I will say this.
		Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com.
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		And you will see that we have Parallel Economy.
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		We got PayPal off the website a long time ago.
		We did this because we knew they were censoring people and they were going to escalate their ESG social credit score BS.
		I'm glad we did.
		And I'm glad as many of you as possible moved over.
		Now what we didn't do is we didn't discontinue PayPal.
		For those that are legacy members of the website going back almost a year now and are on members with PayPal, Your memberships are fine.
		But many of you, I noticed, have been canceling.
		We hope that you come back and sign up using Parallel Economy.
		And for those that still use PayPal, you can switch over.
		It's not super easy.
		You may have to actually just cancel your account and re-sign up.
		And that's if you used a guest account with PayPal.
		I'm not entirely sure.
		And in all honesty, my apologies in that it's a fairly rudimentary website with limited tech because we don't have, you know, 200 million subscribers like Netflix or anything like that.
		But, if you haven't already, head over to TimCast.com and become a member.
		Utilize Parallel Economy for two reasons.
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		And two, support Parallel Economy.
		This is Dan Bongino, co-founder of this company.
		If we can get more and more users onto Parallel Economy, help them expand, grow, and become a bigger portion of the market share, then we can actually push back against these ESG garbage corporations.
		So that's one way to do it.
		Now, Let's talk about what's going on.
		Joining us today to discuss World War III, Russia, nuclear weapons, is actually somebody who has a Ph.D.
		in battlefield nuclear warfare.
		Is that it?
		Dr. Drew Miller?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Tim.
		My Ph.D.
		from Harvard was on underground nuclear defense shelters and field fortifications for NATO troops, so it's the topic today, but I wrote it decades ago, and even then it was politically incorrect To talk about the limited use of nuclear weapons, and we saw this again on Thursday when President Biden said that, you know, you can quote him here, And that's what the Democratic Party has been saying for decades, but it's just not true.
		If Russia were to use a nuclear weapon on the battlefield against Ukrainian troops, we would be crazy as the United States to escalate that to a strategic nuclear exchange with Russia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was reading the same thing.
		There was that quote that I mentioned where the guy said you'd have to be a madman to sacrifice Boston for Poznan.
		So we'll talk about that, especially with the news pertaining to Russia, but you're also the CEO of Fortitude Ranch.
		Full disclosure, I have a stake in Fortitude Ranch.
		But this is, what would you call it?
		Is it preparedness?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Fort Hood Ranch is a recreational and survival community.
		So in good times our members can come out and use our shooting range and hike and enjoy the rural locations we're in.
		We're in five states now.
		But in bad times we turn into survival community.
		Our members come out to stay alive and get out of cities and suburbs where if the grid is go down, I mean if Russia does an EMP attack on us, our grid is toast.
		It'll be gone for over a year.
		And there's no municipal water systems.
		You will die in cities and suburbs.
		So our members will come to our rural locations where we're equipped to, you know, survive long-term with food and water, but also all our members have weapons as well as our staff so we can defend ourselves against marauders and survive anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is going to be really interesting.
		I'm excited for this conversation about marauders and survival.
		So, thanks for coming.
		We also got Luke Rudkowski hanging out.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Someone said shooting range.
		I'm all in.
		I'm very happy for this conversation.
		This is going to be a very important one.
		My name is Luke Rudkowski of WeAreChange.org and today I'm wearing a t-shirt which represents how war is a racket, showing of course the king and queens having dinner while of course the pawns kill each other off.
		And that, to me, is the true reality of war.
		No one wins them except the special interest.
		If you like the shirt, you can get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
		Because you do, I am here.
		Thank you again so much for having me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And hey guys, Ian Crosland here.
		I had a couple of corrections from last week.
		At one point I said that Alexander the Great and his band invaded and conquered Ursa Minor.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In outer space.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was actually not the Little Dipper.
		No, no, they conquered Asia Minor, which is Turkey, Anatolia, things like that.
		And also, I mentioned last week, Luke and I were talking a little bit about tactical nuclear weapons.
		I said that depleted uranium rounds are a type of tactical nuclear weapon because they have minor amounts of radiation.
		But, Drew, you were saying they're not classified as nuclear weapons.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		No, they're strictly conventional weapons.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just want to say, Ian, if we made a sci-fi cartoon about the future, about a guy named Alexander who gets a spaceship and goes and conquers Earth's Minor, that'd be pretty epic space Epic.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there you go.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And then technically you weren't wrong.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's retcon this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And many of you may already know if you tuned in on Friday that Lydia is no longer with the program.
		She has moved on.
		She's going to be doing her own thing and we'll shout her out when she's ready for that.
		But pushing all the buttons today is Serge.
unidentified		Hey guys, nice to meet you.
		My name is Serge, a.k.a.
		the new Lydia.
		Pleasure to be here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Except that guy.
unidentified		Yeah, except I am a guy.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Linda Jr.
unidentified		Yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Nice hair, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Linda Jr.
unidentified		Thanks, I appreciate it, guys.
unidentified		Glad to be here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let's jump into this first story we've got from the Jerusalem Post.
		Russian Strikes Hits German Diplomatic Office in Kiev.
		Report.
		The German embassy in Kiev was hit by Russian airstrikes on Monday, German media outlet Bild reported.
		However, the building has not been in use since the war broke out, the foreign ministry said.
		Russian-born journalist and political scientist Sergei Sumlemy, now based in Berlin, tweeted about the attack, asking for Chancellor Olaf Scholz and other German officials to issue a response to the airstrike.
		So, okay, they've not been using it.
		But this is still, if this is the German embassy, this is German territory, right?
		So what does this mean?
		Does this mean that Germany is now going to use this as some kind of casus belli, declare war, or is it meaningless?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, specifically, it was their visa office, and it looked like a lot of these strikes weren't for their intended targets.
		There was one inside of a playground when Russia, of course, was making a speech saying that this was specific strategic attacks against the infrastructure of Ukraine.
		The German embassy isn't really infrastructure of Ukraine, but there's a lot of other things happening behind the scenes.
		I don't think Germany is going to be doing anything with this.
		I think Germany right now also is having a major bullet shortage.
		I think that also is something we should be keeping a close eye on, but there's a lot of other things happening with Belarus right now, with Poland telling their citizens to leave Belarus right now.
		Poland is also checking their bunkers right now to make sure that they're up and running and that they're running properly.
		So a lot of other things are happening and this is just episode one according to the former Ukrainian president Medvedev of many episodes to come when it comes to these larger strikes that Russia is going to be launching on Ukraine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will mention this.
		From the reporting, they're trying to make it seem like, you know, so Germany condemns, you know, Russia's actions in Ukraine.
		Then all of a sudden, there's an airstrike.
		One of the strikes happened at a German embassy.
		And now Germany is set to deliver air defense system to Ukraine within days, according to the defense ministry.
		So, Reuters reporting Germany will deliver the first of four Iris TSLM air defense systems to Ukraine within days.
		Well, there you go.
		That's it.
		I think what we've seen from NATO for the most part has just been acting like they're not involved, but basically supplying the overwhelming majority of weapons, strategy, intelligence, everything.
		And then you even have volunteers.
		Now we do know, last week there was a report by The Intercept that U.S.
		special operations are underway in Ukraine.
		So at what point is this just World War III?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a big concern that the escalation will continue, and it's kind of odd, but the worse it gets for Putin, the worse it really gets for U.S.
		security, because he's losing the war, clearly, doing poorly.
		Prospects aren't good for him, so he's a desperate dictator, and he doesn't want to get killed off, knocked out of power, so he's got to change the situation.
		And to do that, he's got to do one of a couple things.
		He could use nuclear weapons in the Ukraine.
		I don't think it would escalate.
		I think it would destroy a lot of Ukrainian forces.
		But there is a risk that, you know, it could go to not just using them on the battlefield, but using them near the border where the supplies are coming in from Poland and Germany and U.S.
		equipment coming in.
		That gets close to NATO territory and risks that we might get involved.
		But more likely, and I think more threatening for the United States, is Putin.
		If he gets into any nuclear exchange with the U.S., he loses from that.
		We would severely hurt him.
		We'd, of course, be massively damaged, but it would hurt Russia tremendously.
		So I think he's more likely to do something like release a virus clandestinely in the United States and West Europe.
		Something that's not like COVID, but something like human-to-human transmissible avian flu, 60% lethal, highly transmissible, and at that point... 60%?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Avian flu, if a human gets avian flu, it's not directly transmissible now, but your tax dollars were used in gain-of-function research to develop human-to-human transmissible, mammal-to-mammal transmissible versions of avian flu, which is 60% lethal to humans.
		And if he releases that virus, and the way to do that was published in open source literature a decade ago, and so if Russia releases a human-to-human transmissible form of avian flu, it'll spread like mad, and at that point, who cares about Ukraine?
		We're trying to stay alive over here.
		It would be an absolute collapse situation in the United States.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Already, who cares about Ukraine?
		We're trying to survive over here.
		I mean, the economy's in shambles.
		We've got Biden.
		They're sending tons of money off to Ukraine.
		Most Americans can't even point to it on a map, and we're wondering why it is we are actively involved in a border dispute with Russia and Ukraine.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I kind of have a little different perspective than you drew just a little bit because I think we're in the stage where not all options have been kind of used here I think this conflict is going to be going back and forth now with the winter coming to Ukraine a lot of the forces are going to be stalled.
		And I think it's going to be like that for a very long time.
		I think that the concept of Kissinger limited perpetual war is something that we truly face the reality of, and I see Putin having a lot more options at the table before going nuclear, before even going bioweapon, before even going, you know, full crazy madman as people describe him in the media.
		Before doing that, I think there's other conventional weapons of war that he could release.
		There's other attacks he could do on the Ukrainian infrastructure.
		And I think he's going to be using those methods first, even though the threat of nuclear war is serious, but I think it's less probable than a more aggravated, bigger escalation on the ground, from my perspective.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think Putin's yet begun to fight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think what we've seen, it's like ground forces in the east, now with these missile strikes over Ukraine, I think if Putin wanted to, he could unleash substantially more destruction on the country if he really felt he had to.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq was nowhere near even an inkling of the capability we had of destruction.
		Because we didn't want to destroy it, we wanted to conquer it.
		And he doesn't want to destroy Ukraine, he wants to conquer it.
		Or at least Eastern Ukraine.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, General Petraeus was on recently saying that, you know, he thinks that Russia's in an absolute no-win situation there, and it's getting worse for them.
		And I tend to agree with that assessment, that Russia has clearly lost this war in a conventional fight.
		Them mobilizing isn't going to do anything near term.
		And their troops just are not motivated for understandable reasons.
		They're not defending Russian homeland, they're invading another country.
		And so the situation is bad for Putin.
		It's also horrible for him on the home front.
		Bad things are going on there.
		So I think he could now already be in a desperate situation.
		But he's not going to be desperate.
		He's a smart, ruthless, evil man.
		So he's not going to do something desperate like launch a nuclear strike on the United States.
		That would be incredibly stupid.
		He is not stupid.
		He's brilliantly ruthless evil.
		So what I think he's far more likely to do is release a clandestine bio-attack on the United States.
		That's the smart thing to do.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		What's the over-under for small tactical nuclear weapon?
		What's the betting odds, in your opinion, for this bio-weapon?
		What do you think is most likely by percentage?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I think Putin, if he, the smartest, most effective thing he could do would be to get a distraction that takes Ukraine off the map and gets our support, both the U.S.
		and the Western European support, eliminated quickly.
		And, you know, what he did over the weekend?
		Well, he's got more, now more Western arms coming into the Ukraine.
		That doesn't really help him.
		Doesn't change the bad military situation for him.
		He needs to knock us out of providing support to Ukraine.
		And our politicians aren't going to back down.
		That would look bad.
		It's too much comparisons to Chamberlain in World War II.
		So he's got to do something different and drastic.
		And the way to do it is a clandestine, again, not an overt, but a clandestine release of a bioweapon.
		And they've absolutely got all kinds of viruses.
		Smallpox, you name it, they've got it.
		But so they released it over here.
		And you know, we are not going to be sending arms to Ukraine, certainly I do more military forces into NATO.
		If we're dealing with a pandemic that's killing off our population and worse, it's unleashing loss of law and order as people are trying to survive.
		And you've got massive marauding going on across the United States and millions dying from that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How do you if Putin were to release a virus?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's to stop Russia from getting hit by it?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Eventually it would spread, but spread a lot more slowly if they release it over here.
		Not a whole lot of air flight going into Russia right now from the United States or Western Europe.
		They're already effectively isolated.
		And the other person who could do this is the North Korean dictator.
		He's another person, you know, he's at the bottom rank of effective, good places, you know, powerful nations.
		If there's a pandemic worldwide, great place to be would be North Korea.
		You don't have international travel.
		Everyone else now gets destroyed.
		We could lose most of our population.
		Western Europe, most of that.
		Everyone else comes down in power and prestige.
		And North Korea now isn't so much at the bottom.
		They're a country that survived the mess.
		I'd rather be in North Korea than South Korea when there's an international pandemic of avian flu spreading.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But what people sometimes don't take into account is clean water, the ability to wash yourself with soap and clean water and how that can help you overcome a disease.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So like people in North Korea that are literally sometimes eating other people because they're starving might end up being much sicker from a disease even if there's less of a load in the environment because they don't have access to the same kind of treatments that we do.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Correct, but if that virus kills off most of South Korea and North Korea can evade it, they can now take South Korea after the virus has died out when the people are dead in South Korea.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Just really quick, is there anything you're seeing from an intelligence report that suggests that there's a probability that this is going to happen?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And again, what's the probability from 0 to 100 that you think this is going to happen?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm a former intelligence officer, so nothing I say tonight will be release of classified information.
		In terms of probability, I mean, Nassim Taleb wrote the most important valuable book I've ever read in my life, The Black Swan, The Influence of the Highly Improbable, and he trained you not to talk in probabilities.
		How can I talk about the probability of something that's never happened before?
		There's no statistical evidence for me to use.
		So it's, you know, it's expert guesstimation is the honest term for it.
		But you know, you can reason from people and from past situations.
		And Putin, former KGB agent, an absolutely ruthless man, you know, he knows about the power of bioweapons.
		They've had him in the Soviet Union, their biological weapons program in the Soviet Union had like 60 to 80,000 people working in it.
		They develop all kinds of agents, and we in the United States continue to do, as I said, gain-of-function research, where we demonstrate it and then publish the results on how to create a mammal-to-mammal contagious, we were using ferrets, version of avian flu, 60% lethality, and we published it.
		So everyone all over the world, if they want to know how to do it, They've learned it.
		So he's got the ability to do this and it's a smart thing for him to do and then if he does it clandestinely, he doesn't get punished.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But we also got reports that Putin was allegedly terrified of COVID and that he kind of insulated himself away from other people.
		The way Russia kind of handled COVID I think would also have an impact on that because they didn't really do that good of a job.
		They did have very strict lockdowns and mandates.
		They didn't really work just like anywhere else.
		Do you see that kind of playing into this larger decision?
		And we don't have to get into, you know, obvious intelligence reports and classified information, but do you think it's more likely than a small tactical nuclear weapon?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I think a limited use of battlefield nuclear weapons is a highly likely thing and I think release of viruses highly likely both in there be there's no way for me to estimate the probability.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I'm not even sure Putin would know at this point unless he's already made the decision and issued the order.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What would battlefield nuclear weapons look like?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like what's an example of one and how would it play out?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Well, a battlefield nuclear weapon, I distinguish between battlefield use, theater use, which is more like a longer range strike into, for example, the eastern parts of the Ukraine near the border of Poland, for example.
		But battlefield use is limited to attacking other combat troops.
		It's probably going to be an airburst, not a ground detonation.
		They don't want the fallout coming into the Russian territory.
		But you can do a low yield.
		It could be less than a kiloton.
		For example, Hiroshima is about 15 kilotons.
		It could be a 1 kiloton.
		It could be less than a kiloton.
		We gave up.
		We unilaterally dismantled and destroyed our tactical battlefield nuclear weapons back in 1991, the first George Bush president.
		It got nothing in return.
		Why isn't he?
		Russia kept theirs, China's kept and expanded and modernized theirs.
		They still have them.
		So they could absolutely annihilate Ukrainian ground forces.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why isn't he?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why is Putin not yet using low yield nukes to just clear the field and take the land?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Because he hasn't been in a desperate enough situation thus far.
		Once you do that, you know, it is an escalation.
		There is a risk that, you know, potentially... I'll give you one example.
		Once this happens and he gets away with it, I think he would get away with it.
		The U.S.
		is not going to respond with a nuclear attack on Russia if they do a nuclear detonation in Ukraine.
		That would be insane for President Biden to do.
		He would not do that.
		So, if they do that, and he gets away with it, now what's going to happen to nuclear non-proliferation?
		Because we've told all our NATO members, and Japan, and so many countries, we will protect you with our nuclear umbrella, and it's not believable.
		It's never been credible, and this will prove that it's not credible.
		That we will not use nuclear weapons, most likely, even to defend our allies in Ukraine, you know, thus far is not a NATO member, not an ally we have to defend.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've been saying basically this for a while and I've had a lot of people argue with me that I said mutually assured destruction is just, that's not true.
		This idea that, I suppose the idea is if Russia decides to nuke D.C.
		then the U.S.
		will fire back at Moscow or something like that.
		But what I was saying is that this idea that the use of nuclear weapons in general results in everyone just firing nukes and blowing everybody up.
		In fact, there's one really obvious reason why NATO will not nuke back in the war.
		The war's in Ukraine.
		Russia's invaded the eastern region.
		Putin can fire nukes into Ukraine anywhere he wants and cause as much damage as he wants because he's trying to take it.
		NATO does not want to destroy Ukraine.
		They're trying to push Russia out.
		So theoretically, if Russia moves too far into Ukraine, say in the eastern region, then maybe they'll use nukes there, but they'd be effectively losing by doing it, cutting off their nose to spite their face.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, a couple things I worry about here is that we're in a desperate situation.
		I think the Russians, in some instances, are desperate.
		I think the Ukrainians are also desperate here, and they know that they're facing a lot of very tough odds here.
		They have a lot of support, but at the end of the day, Russia still has a lot more manpower.
		Russia still has a lot more bullets.
		Even though there's a lot of countries sending them bullets.
		Germany has a bullet shortage.
		I think this is more significant than we're... that of course is not being talked about here.
		I think in this desperation we shouldn't rule out the possibility of someone staging an attack or staging an incident that would escalate this situation and possibly get other countries involved here.
		Right now we have Belarus do a joint military task force with Russia.
		They're mobilizing on the Ukrainian border.
		They've been mobilizing for a couple months now.
		But I think we're in a situation where the history of previous world wars is rhyming and what happened then was other countries got involved and I think there's a big possibility that Ukraine in their desperation or Russia in their desperation could stage an event that could be the galvanizing event that could launch a bigger conflict here that would move beyond this proxy war between Russia and the United States.
		Do you think that's a possibility?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's absolutely true that that could happen.
		People like to make comparisons back in history, as you mentioned, back to World War II.
		Hitler didn't have nuclear weapons, nor did he have biological weapons or the ability to release them in the United States.
		Putin does.
		So you've got a corner dog, a guy who's desperate, wants to retain power, and we should not be provoking him.
		I'm glad to support Ukraine if we can, but we should not be pushing Russia and Putin, a desperate man, into a situation where he feels like the only way I'm going to stay alive and stay in power is to knock the U.S.
		and Western European support out of Ukraine.
		And I do that either with escalating with nuclear weapons, which is really risky for me because they could eventually retaliate with nuclear weapons against me, or I could be smart about it and just release a biological agent that starts a horrible pandemic in the US and West Europe.
		I think you do the latter.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Now, I just want to talk about this biological agent because, you know, you bring it up a couple times.
		In the 1957 to 1958 avian flu pandemic that killed two million people, and they say it's not as effective as a bioweapon because the host usually dies and transmission is less likely when we have such a very strong virus.
		Do you have any counter evidence or is there a new type of thing that you know about from your work in intelligence That says that this is going to be different than the 1957-1958 avian flu pandemic.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Sure, that's a very low lethality virus.
		I mean, it's worse than avian flu, but you're talking about like 1% lethality.
		For example, the so-called misnamed Spanish flu back at the end of World War I, 1919-1920 time frame.
		That was like a 1.5% lethality rate.
		Avian flu is way less.
		Not, I'm sorry, avian flu is way better.
		I'm sorry, COVID-19 is like way, you know, it's 0.001 lethality.
		Very, very low.
		But avian flu, as I said, is 60% lethal.
		Now, when you modify it, you may get a different lethality rate.
		It may be a lot lower.
		It may be higher.
		I don't know.
		You're changing the virus.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the question I have is if people are getting it and dying right away, the virus won't spread as fast.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		Viruses, generally, it's better for them not to be too highly lethal.
		You kill off all your hosts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's really simple.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, gain-of-function research, you get a virus, you get something as lethal as an avian flu, but you engineer it to have a two-week delay in symptom onset.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		That's the worst.
		That's the third thing.
		I mean, I've been talking about transmissibility and lethality, but Tim, you just brought up the third really bad thing.
		If it's got a latency period where I'm contagious, I'm spreading the virus, but I don't have any symptoms yet, Then you're really, really screwed over.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We were talking about this last week that, you know, look, nuclear weapons, the advent of which was over 80 years ago.
		You get this report published in 1938.
		I can't remember who shouted that out.
		Was that Will who mentioned that?
		1938 on the scientific paper on fission.
		And then all of a sudden, everybody gets the idea, like, you could make a bomb with that.
		And then finally we did, and what was the, it was a Fat Man, was it like a 15 kiloton bomb or something like that?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		It was the name of one of them, it was Fat Man.
		They're both about 15, 20 kilotons.
		That's nothing!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		15, 20 kilotons, nothing compared to the nukes that they currently have today, especially with MIRVs, when they have multiple warheads.
		But bringing that up, I mean this is old technology.
		You'd have to imagine they've developed different and new capabilities in modern warfare that we don't know about and we won't know about until they do.
		I think, fair point, biological weapons seems to be the route to take.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, who knows what Peter Daszak and the CIA are doing with Echo Health Alliance with Dr. Fauci's funding still as they got funded again.
		But I think there's also another important aspect You know, viruses usually don't spread well without any kind of symptoms.
		Sneezing, coughing is how viruses usually spread.
		If they develop something new, I don't know, but this would be end of the world.
		You launch a bioweapon, it's going to affect everyone.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Spread it through the food supply.
		COVID was found in ice cream.
		It can live in animal fat.
		You got to watch out for food.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Just from my assessment, my research, I do think smaller escalations, more attacks on the infrastructure in Ukraine, and I think Yeah, yeah, but hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're not, like, I don't know if this is what you're saying, but my view is not that Putin right now is just like, eh, flu.
		No, he goes with artillery, he goes nuclear artillery, he goes tactical nukes.
		In the event of total desperation, when with US involvement getting too heavy, and his conventional methods not working, and his escalation not working, I think I would agree that someone, maybe it's Putin, maybe it's not, someone's going to try and knock out the US economy, either by, you know, well, I would assume a clever way to hit the United States clandestinely, as you mentioned, is a bioweapon.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And remember back in March, the Russians were putting out propaganda saying, hey, the US has these biological weapons programs in the Ukraine.
		And why in the world were they doing it?
		It made no sense.
		But they were talking about gain-of-function research and alleged that we were doing bioweapons work with the Ukrainians.
		This was going on in March of this year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With Ukrainians?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		So he was trying to lay the pretext.
		Why would he do that?
		The only logical reason for the Russians to do that is because they're trying to set the stage for saying, hey, these biological weapons are coming out.
		It ain't us.
		It's the U.S.
		and the Ukrainians releasing it.
		And so we were concerned about that a lot.
		It was written on that and we pushed back saying, hey, this is nonsense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But why wouldn't the U.S.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		be doing it?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Why wouldn't we do we want?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're building bio labs to make weapons.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well we signed the treaty saying we would not use biological weapons in warfare and I think and I think we're following that but you know I think it's very probable that people could do that and he could be doing it tomorrow.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you remember, in Ukraine, the U.S.
		corporate media and political establishment first said, there's no bioweapons, there's no biolab facilities in Ukraine.
		And then the Secretary of State, Under Assistant Secretary, came out and said, there's medical facilities in Ukraine we got to get to immediately before the Russians get to.
		And everyone's like, yeah, we're doing research there.
		What kind of research?
		Gain-of-function research.
		trying to take a virus and make it the most lethal, the most dangerous virus that we can in the name of science, even though many scientists argue that there hasn't been any gain-of-function done for any kind of scientific discovery, but predominantly done to have bioweapons out there.
		So when you look at the United States, Barack Obama banned gain-of-function research.
		Donald Trump, for some reason, allowed it to happen, and that's when Dr. Fauci, Peter Daszak, EcoHealth Alliance went to Wuhan, China, and then started to do the COVID bat coronavirus research
		there. Now they're doing it again under Joe Biden, but now they're doing in Myanmar, Laos, and
		Vietnam. Again, Peter Daszak doing gain-of-function research on COVID coronavirus. I don't
		know if you heard of these, but this is something eye-opening. And of course, there was also
		similar gain-of-function research being done in Ukraine as well. Well, let me for a second defend the
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		gain-of-function research as I've already, you know, attacked it.
		But the reason we do it is also avian flu is naturally mutating all the time.
		Every virus does.
		And biologists have been warning us for a long time now, congressional testimony even, saying avian flu will probably mutate to be human-human transmissible, even if humans aren't screwing around with it, trying to deliberately do that.
		So that's why we're doing the gain-of-function research on avian flu.
		It is eventually going to develop.
		I mean, swine flu comes to pigs, develops, mutates.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But we're not talking about that.
unidentified		So it's going to happen.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		So they're doing the gain of function research because we want to have a human-human transmissible form of avian flu now so we can develop vaccines for it.
		That's why they're doing it.
		That's a legitimate reason.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I could understand the argument for it, but that's not what they're doing.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		They're doing coronavirus research that has no probability of ever realizing in real life because of natural circumstances.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, so I have this tweet from Tulsi Gabbard calling out Victoria Nuland saying, quote, Ukraine has biological research facilities which in fact we are quite concerned that Russian troops may be seeking to gain control of.
		We are working with Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.
		So the issue now becomes trust.
		We have a quote from Victoria Nuland that there are biological research facilities in Ukraine, that there was emails released from the Hunter Biden laptop, which were confirmed by the Daily Mail and the New York Post, that he was working on getting some funding, which went to, I think it went to a third party and then to these labs.
		I don't think he was directly working with the labs, but now we're talking semantics.
		The question is, Am I supposed to just trust the U.S.
		is the one not doing this, and Putin, of course, is the unrepentant evil who is doing it?
		Or am I supposed to look at this and just be like, it's war.
		The U.S.
		would be insane not to be engaged in researching advanced weaponry, defense systems, vaccines, or whatever.
		And why wouldn't Russia as well?
		And at the very least, why would I assume that they have these biological research facilities
		with dangerous pathogens and they're not understanding that whether the intention of the research is make a weapon,
		that weapons can arise from this.
		I mean, to go back to nuclear weapons, the 1938 paper on nuclear fission,
		wasn't a paper on how to make nuclear bombs, but they saw and went, we can make a bomb with that.
		So the research they're doing here in Ukraine with these bio facilities, they could be like,
		hey, if we release that, it's a weapon, right?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I do not believe the United States is developing biological weapons.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a lot of people who like to spread conspiracy theories in government.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's a weapon?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		A weapon is something designed to be used to kill your enemy.
		So I think we're doing gain-of-function research for legitimate reasons.
		So we've got the bad virus so we can develop vaccines for it, antidotes, treatment methods, and understand it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So why do it with the COVID virus?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I get that, but is dynamite a weapon?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		It can be used that way, correct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can any gain-of-function pathogen be used as a weapon?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it can be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then you're saying they are making bioweapons.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		In terms of developing it as a weapon program, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The United States is not doing that.
		But see, you're arguing intent, and we can't read anybody's mind.
		So the question is, when Alfred Nobel, he's the guy who made dynamite, right?
		And then they called him the Merchant of Death.
		It was intended, I believe, for mining.
		You can put it, and then you can mine.
		Instead, it started being used as a weapon, which was not his intention.
		Nuclear fission, same thing.
		It was not intended to make a bomb.
		He made a bomb out of it.
		If the U.S.
		has labs that are making dangerous pathogens, it's not a question of whether or not we can argue the semantics over it's weaponized or a weapon or the intent was to make it a weapon.
		The fact of the matter is the U.S.
		has labs in Ukraine that are dealing with and advancing dangerous pathogens.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what they were working on there, if it was a dangerous pathogen or not, but every country around the world has biological research.
		The CRISPR technology, the bioengineering technology, it's all over the world.
		There's no turning back the clock.
		By the way, I don't want to get into the details, but the way to make avian flu is not a high-tech CRISPR technology, it's low-tech.
		Any Unabomber terrorist, Any small terrorist group could do this.
		You don't need high-tech biology stuff to make avian flu.
		Mammal to mammal, human to human.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, real quick, real quick.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If a guy was making dynamite in his garage, would we say he's not making weapons?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		No, he could be using it for good or bad purposes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We don't know what he's doing it for, what his intention is, but he builds a lab to make dynamite, he's going to get arrested and charged.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		It's inevitable that we are going to have pandemics.
		I had an article published in the American Interest back in 2016 called The Age of Bioengineered Pandemics and Collapse, because we cannot stop this.
		It is going to happen.
		There's natural mutations, but there's so many people with this technology.
		It's so widespread, so relatively easy to do, that it is going to happen.
		And experts have testified before Congress.
		Warning is going to happen, but has Congress done anything?
		Nothing.
		Just as they've done nothing about our electric system.
		There was a congressionally funded EMP study decades ago saying that our electric system is our Achilles heel.
		It's very vulnerable.
		Even North Korea with one inaccurate low-yield nuclear weapon could take down the U.S.
		electric system for over a year.
		There's a documentary out right now called Grid Down, Power Up that gives you all the explanation of how our electric system is a disaster waiting to happen.
		Any enemy could exploit to take us down, and the estimate from that congressional study was that when the electric grid goes down, and they're talking about an EMP event that takes out the transformers that take a long time, very difficult to replace, the estimate was you could lose 90% of the US population dead.
		Not just because of, you know, there's no electricity, there's no food production, there's no water systems.
		Also because people aren't just gonna, you know, stay at home and, you know, quietly, politely die.
		They're gonna go out to steal food and water to survive.
		You'll have massive loss of law and order, massive marauding.
		And people are going to get killed.
		Their estimate was you could lose 90% of the population.
		So Congress knows about that.
		They know about bioweapons threat.
		The Johns Hopkins biological experts have testified over and over before Congress, warning about avian flu, warning about bioengineering, but there's no votes in prevention and preparedness.
		They don't do anything about it.
		And so we're left in the position where there was another documentary by, I think it was Vice, called While the Rest of Us Die.
		So they've got Mount Weather, they've got Raven Rock, all these places they can survive, but the rest of us, there's nothing being done for us.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's not far away, Mount Weather.
		I have a million things I want to bring up right now that I have jotted down, so hopefully I'll get to all of them.
		I think the United States military-industrial complex would be foolish not to develop weapons that other countries are developing as well.
		I think from a strategic point of view, it wouldn't make sense for the United States not to engage in this.
		You said a lot of the research is being done to help people to prevent and create vaccines, but the United States had an official biological weapons program where they weaponized anthrax, Q fever, and many others previously before.
		Why would they stop now?
		What evidence do you have that they stopped?
		And as you previously mentioned, you said that the United States is doing this to help people, this gain of function is to help people, but We just talked about the COVID coronavirus.
		Why were they doing that research when there was no natural ability for that virus to be realized in human life?
		Why were they officially doing that project when there was no particular need for it?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me do the first part.
		We have stopped developing biological weapons.
		We once signed a treaty saying we wouldn't, and our government is largely full of good people who do, you know, the right thing.
		We don't have a biological weapon.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I have to push back on that.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Let me do number two before you... So the number two thing is, we have nuclear weapons.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		So if Putin does release a biological weapon against us, and we know it's Putin, can prove it's Putin, our responses will nuke the hell out of you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't prove it.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, we might be able to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's our policy.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		That's the other reason we give up biological weapons, is we have nuclear weapons.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But we signed that treaty with Russia.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		If you use biological weapons against us, the logical user responses, we'll nuke the hell out of you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is the EU in any way working on biological weapons?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Probably not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if the US, you're right, they are abiding by this treaty, and so in fact the bioweapons research was happening in a country like Ukraine, which is not a NATO or EU member state.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Soon to be.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Our government said they weren't and I do trust our government when they said the Ukraine was not doing a biological weapons program.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What about chemical weapons?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		The Secretary of State, Undersecretary, officially launched that there's biological research facilities in Ukraine.
		Why would the United States not do that program domestically?
		Why would they choose a poor country that's known for corruption, To do scientific experiments that are known to be dangerous.
		That sounds the alarms to a lot of people who are saying this is circumstantial evidence that they're doing this biological dangerous research in their country not to have any fallout or responsibility here in the United States.
		This is the undersecretary.
		This is the undersecretary of state.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it leaks.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't leak in the U.S.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's make sure we hit the nail on the head with the semantics here.
		Dangerous pathogens are there.
		That's what Victoria Nuland said.
		Biological research facilities are there.
		Russian troops are trying to gain control of it.
		There's dangerous pathogens there at these labs.
		All of that is, according to the U.S.
		government, true and correct.
		Now, whether or not you want to argue it's a weapon or not is the intent of the person behind it, and if you can't read their mind, what's the point?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is the thing about white phosphorus they used, the American military used in Fallujah in 2004.
		They called it an incendiary.
		They said the purpose of this weapon is to light up the battlefield so we can see people.
		But what they don't say is that the white phosphorus was also melting the skin of the civilians that it was lighting up.
		So they said, hey, our intention wasn't to hurt people, so it's not a weapon.
		It's just a lighting up mechanism.
		Yeah, but it was also an incendiary weapon, so just because you call it research for prevention doesn't mean that it's not also potentially going to wipe out the population.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't even care about the term research.
		If they are doing gain-of-function research, they are producing dangerous pathogens, period.
		Now whether or not... Look, like I mentioned, Alfred Nobel was shocked to discover he was the merchant of death when his obituary was accidentally published.
		Was he an inventor of a powerful weapon?
		I don't think that was his intention.
		And that's why he came out was like, I got to do this Peace Prize thing.
		But again, if somebody if a guy if the US government said we're gonna be doing we're gonna be built putting up a bunch of plants that build explosives.
		We would call that weapons research.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the word weapon is a pejorative.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right, or just call them explosives, call them biological pathogens, call them chemical agents, you know, but whether or not they're weapons is irrelevant.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's all attention-based.
		My point is, there could be someone in the U.S.
		government who says, hey, you know what?
		The U.S.
		government needs explosives for construction, mining, clearing debris, so we're going to create a bunch of factories that make a variety of explosives.
		That guy does that.
		The next guy comes in and says, hey, you got a bunch of weapons here I can use.
		So we can argue about the definition of weapon, but the fact is the U.S.
		is making dangerous gain-of-function pathogens.
		If someone at any point decides to weaponize them, that'll be on them, but they exist and they can be weaponized.
unidentified		Right.
		I think it's kind of similar to the situation in Lebanon when you had all the buildup of that fertilizer.
		The fact of the matter was it's a time bomb waiting to happen, waiting for a spark, you know?
		I think no matter what, there still is fertilizer building up, there still is a situation that's arising, and it's only a matter of time before something kicks off that causes a, you know, a calamity.
		The worst you can expect.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just mean to say, it doesn't really matter if there's a person, you know, twirling their mustache being like, we're making bioweapons!
		Because they are like, yeah, we're advancing dangerous pathogens.
		But don't worry, it's not for weaponizing.
		It's like, well, a bad person can get them.
		A bad person can get elected.
		A bad person can get promoted.
		A bad person can force their way in.
		And then, there's no, I think, you know, I'm not trying to drag research.
		I understand, like, you make a good point.
		The gain of function has a real purpose.
		The problem is that technology is neutral and bad people will do bad things.
		So I don't like to jump out and be like, they're making weapons, as much as I'd like to say they're not making weapons.
		No, they're making dangerous things.
		It can be weaponized.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I remember when they were like, Assad is gassing his own people.
		We need to invade!
		You know, come on, guys, keep your eyes open for Putin is dropping biological agents on his own people, but he's doing it in Ukraine first.
		Come on, guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to jump to this, I guess you can call it a story, this tweet from Interactive Polls.
		Breaking!
		NASDAQ falls to two-year low on Monday, minus 1.84%.
		S&P lost 1.2%.
		Look at this picture.
		I mean, there's some green in there.
		Okay.
		It's not as bad as that image of when Joe Biden was raising his fists and then people put the collapsing market behind them all in red as that meme.
		That was a good meme.
		But we're at a two-year low now, and the stock market has dropped below the levels it was at before Biden became president.
		So I don't want to make this one political.
		I want to make this one, this segment, talking about the collapse of the economy more personal for individuals.
		And ask, you know, ask you, Drew, as we are watching an economic downturn, we're seeing inflation, we're seeing gas prices now go up.
		My question is, if this trajectory continues, for whatever reason, be it the war or whatever, what happens to the average person's life?
		You know, so, you know, you as somebody who runs Fortitude Ranch, this recreation and survivalist community, you had to have done all the research in your middle-of-the-class nuclear family, economy hits, what does their life look like and how bad can it get?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, a lot of people are calling for the recession, so there could be losses of jobs coming, although thus far that hasn't really happened, higher prices.
		But the thing that's really going to hurt people next year is food prices, not just because of normal inflation everywhere, but because of the lack of fertilizer, since they come largely from the Ukraine and Russia, and we're not getting those.
		And there's predictions of not just higher food prices, but in some parts of the world you're going to have famine next year, because food production is going to be way, way down.
		Food prices are going to go way up.
		And there have been other contributing factors, stupid government policies trying to stop fertilized use in some ways for environmental reasons.
		But the world is facing a bad famine situation next year, assuming something worse doesn't happen, like releasing a virus this year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or nuclear war or whatever.
		So, uh, the average family, somebody who I assume the average person, they don't really pay attention.
		You know, I was thinking we were talking about the war stuff.
		I was like, why don't people care about, care about this more?
		Why are there so many people that we try and talk about?
		I don't care about war.
		You know, what's going on in Putin?
		I don't even know who that is.
		Ukraine, where is it?
		And then I'm sitting here, you know, listening to Luke talk about the variety of things the
		US is engaged in, what Russia's doing, and I'm thinking to myself, this is the kind of
		stuff that if you don't know about, one day it smacks you in the face.
		The war erupts, the food shortages, the food prices.
		For the people that have been paying attention and have done some degree of preparation,
		they're in a much better position.
		So with that in mind, let's say this escalates to hyperinflation.
		Let's say something bad happens.
		Let's say it's either a nuclear strike, let's say it's a virus or something happens.
		The average person in the United States, what do you think their day is like when the grid gets hit or when the gases are gone or what happens in the worst case scenario?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's bad news for them.
		I mean, government's top priority is protecting government.
		And that's official policy.
		It's called continuity of government.
		And any kind of disaster or collapse, your police protection will go down.
		Because, number one, the priority is to protect the elected officials, the mayors, the governors, everyone else.
		So, police normally doing patrols in your neighborhood, some of them will be called back to increase protection and care for government officials.
		You're near Mount Weather here, I won't give out your exact location, but you're not far from Mount Weather.
		I drove by there about a month ago.
		I can't believe all the construction going on.
		Really?
		Mount Weather, huge construction.
		And I googled and I can't find why, but they've already got massive facilities and they're expanding them for government officials, but there's nothing done for civil defense is gone in the United States.
		And there's nothing being done.
		And the thing that makes me the maddest is there's not even the warnings.
		Government should be issuing warnings to people about situations like the coming food price jump that we're going to experience, the likelihood of famine because of the, again, the Russia-Ukraine situation.
		And it just doesn't happen.
		There's not care for us.
		It's all about current issues and winning votes and debates that, relative to life and death, are trivial.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, my favorite city in all this, New York City.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What happens when the grid gets hit, when the food stops flowing?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		It'll be, it'll be, there used to be a saying in the preparedness industry, you know, 48 hours to animal, you know, and 48 hours, it'd take 48 hours for people to realize how bad it's getting and then they turn into their animal instincts and they would kill to survive.
		I think it's more today, probably more like 48 seconds or 48 minutes to Hannibal because people are aware now that when the grid goes down for example again you ought to watch grid down power up documentary when the grid goes down immediately there is no water system flowing so people are going to start filling their bathtubs everyone does that so within five minutes waters municipal water is gone there's no five minutes yeah if everyone starts filling your bathtub and there's no pumping going on
		The system shut down.
		So there's three days' supply in an average supermarket.
		That'll be gone in the first hour or two.
		People are going to run to the grocery store.
		They're either going to pay or, more likely, they'll just start looting.
		And I think violence will start in the first hours.
		People stealing and potentially killing to survive.
		Because they're going to figure out, hey, there's no way you can survive in New York City without an electric system or there's a bad pandemic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		We were there.
		Luke, you were there during Sandy, right?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the power was gone for like two weeks in like, lower east side, I think.
		I think it was a couple days out in the upper west side where all the rich people were.
		Is that what it was, Luke?
		It was like 72 hours or something?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Staten Island got hit really hard.
		And parts of lower Manhattan got flooded, as well as some parts of Brooklyn.
		And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't calamity.
		It wasn't too crazy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I did a clean up in Staten Island.
		A dude's boat was on the street.
		It was nuts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The issue was that they could still bring food in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was still gas, there were still cars.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		That's localized.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about national loss of the electric system and national pandemic that's all over the place.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is what I mean to say is when people have faith, the government exists, aid is coming, they're chill.
		But if something happens where people, their confidence has to be rocked.
		So my view is, I don't know about the first hour, I think a lot of people, the smart people, Maybe not even necessarily smart, but the more cutthroat.
		They're gonna go out and they're gonna get whatever they can as fast as they can.
		I think most people in New York are gonna be looking around confused and just shrug.
		I gotta tell you, man, I love telling that story of when I worked for Fusion and the fire alarm went off and everybody just sat around staring at it.
		As soon as the alarm went off, I got up and left the building.
		And then people only left the building when the fire department actually ran in with their gear.
		That's the average person.
		The grid's gonna go down, they're gonna go, oh, the power's out.
		I gotta tell you this, a second story.
		I was working for Fusion, and I'm in New York, and the power goes out, and the alarms go on saying everyone remain calm and remain in the building, and I was like, no thanks, and I left.
		I'm like, apparently there was a flood, there was a leak that hit something electrical and created a huge risk of fire, but they were like, no, no, no, everyone stay calm, just keep doing your thing.
		I'm not sticking around for that.
		I think what's gonna happen in cities like New York, Something bad's really going to happen.
		And the average person doesn't read the news, doesn't watch the news, doesn't pay attention.
		And if they do, it's through really bad sources who are lying to them.
		And so they're going to sit there and they're going to be told, hey everybody, the economy is going to be fine.
		Just stay home for the day.
		A day goes by, the food's gone, the water's gone, the economy's gone, their money's worthless.
		These people are gonna lose it. They're either- I mean, most of these people are probably gonna get-
		the marauders are gonna come for them. These people don't seem like the kind of people who
		are gonna be able to survive, but some of these guys are gonna just go around and become marauders.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Poor NPCs.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		There's a lot of obese people in the United States.
		I think they have a lot of extra fat that they're going to, of course, depend on.
		And I'll think they're probably going to TiVo American Gladiators or some sports balls and then let their fat whittle away and start some fasting.
		That's not by their choice, but obviously it all depends on, there's a number of scenarios happening.
		I wanted to ask you, Drew, from all your work, especially with intelligence, what do you think is the most likely scenario and situation, especially after coming out of COVID, that could lead to the worst case scenario?
		What do you think is the most impactful, the most likely situation?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, at Fort Hood Ranch, we actually track 50, we call them, trigger events that could lead to a collapse.
		And the ones that we rate as, you know, ignoring Ukraine right now in the current situation.
		But overall, we rank a pandemic, a really bad pandemic, as the most likely event that's going to happen.
		And, you know, we've had biologists warning us that we're actually overdue for a really bad pandemic.
		The influenza ones tend to come in cycles.
		We're kind of overdue for that.
		And it's so easy to do man-made, and it's so likely that a country like North Korea, or Iran, you know, we're the great Satan to Iran, and again, you know, will the virus spread back to the country that releases it?
		Yes, but before I release the virus, I can develop vaccines clandestinely, so it won't hurt me when it comes back, or it won't hurt the people I care about in my country if I'm Iran or North Korea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, hold on, I disagree.
		And I'll tell you why.
		Here's what I think would happen.
		Be it Iran, Russia, North Korea, China, or anybody, they will release the virus in their own country first, but a weaker strain of it.
		It will have a low mortality, which will result in some death, but most of the people will just get sick and then get over it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Stop giving them ideas, Tim!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, this is not giving them ideas.
		This is what happened with Spanish flu.
		China, many people, I was reading about the history, like, why didn't China get hit by this?
		In fact, they did before everyone else did.
		A weaker strain, but a similar strain, swept across China.
		Many of them got very, very sick.
		When the Spanish flu then emerges, I think it was in the United States, but then it was seen in Europe with all the fighting, so that's how it got its name.
		When this starts spreading, it does make its way back to China, but they already had immunity to it from the weaker virus that had hit them.
		So I think what would actually happen is a smart country produces two versions, a very weak version and a very strong version.
		They give themselves the weak version first, then the strong version is released.
		So when it does come and hit them, mortality is minimal.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		But the point is, this technology, this ability has never existed before in human history.
		It's out there now.
		There's all kinds of forms it could happen with.
		And, you know, the experts use the word inevitable.
		We are going to have these kinds of pandemics.
		But back to your question, Luke, it's not just pandemics.
		The other really big one, likely one, is our fragile electric system because it's vulnerable in so many ways.
		We've been talking about, you know, a nuclear EMP attack and North Korea's nuclear weapons.
		This is open source.
		This is classified information.
		The Russians helped them, actually Soviets before Russia, helped them design nuclear weapons that are designed for maximum EMP effect.
		They don't have to be accurate.
		They go off in our atmosphere one or two and the U.S.
		electric grid is toast at that point.
		There's cyber attack that could take down the grid.
		There's physical attacks, and they've been done.
		There was an attack out at a station in California, a very well carried out attack that destroyed the transformers there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it a cyber attack?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		No, a physical attack.
		There's a lot of solar flares, natural effects can take down our electric grid.
		That's why, again, you've got to watch this documentary, Grid Down, Power Up.
		There's so many ways our fragile electric system could go.
		And when I say go, it's gone for over a year or more.
		And most Americans will not be alive if it comes back up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll be dead.
		I think we've been hit by cyber attacks recently and you just don't hear about it.
		There was one story, it was highly speculative, I know, I know, I'm just saying, just a thought.
		It was around the time that Donald Trump was, an airstrike was on its way to Iran.
		Trump calls it off and says no.
		Publicly he says, I did not think that, you know, 500 people who would have died, the loss of life was worth what we would be retaliating for or something to that effect.
		However, around the same time that the U.S.
		launches this fleet to go conduct an airstrike, a refinery in Philadelphia explodes.
		I asked some of my hacker buddies, what is the likelihood that in response to the U.S.
		engaging in a military operation, Iran conducted a cyber attack against a refinery, blowing it up, and we know they did it, so we backed off.
		They told me it was very, very low, not very likely, however possible.
		But just not at all likely.
		They all basically said, no, no, no, no way, no way, no way.
		Lottery tickets, chance.
		But possible, sure, I guess.
		So my thing is, that was just one example of a scenario where I see this and I'm like, could it have been that they, the cyber attack blew up the petroleum refinery?
		So then Trump seeing that vulnerability cancels the attack knowing it's going to lead to a greater escalation in cyber warfare?
		Maybe.
		Maybe not.
		Again, I'll stress, my expert buddy said they don't think that was the case based on how it went down.
		But thinking about that, there have been many circumstances where we've seen various industrial facilities get, you know, have fires start abruptly.
		And the answer is, Sometimes fire start.
		Are we hyper focused on this and now we're assuming it's going to be a cyber attack or are we in a normalcy bias that we cannot see that we are actually under attack when we are?
		How would we even know?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		And then there's a lot more threats, too.
		The threat of nanotechnology, some new technologies we keep coming out with.
		You know, you were talking earlier about unintended consequences.
		A lot of people working with nanotechnology are concerned about that.
		Elon Musk is always talking about artificial intelligence.
		And I think the artificial intelligence threat is very much there, but not in the normal way you see in a movie where the computer becomes, you know, thinking and evil.
		The bigger threat from artificial intelligence is some terrorist group or a nation, you know, North Korea has tremendous cyber capability, actually programming and releasing a virus, you know, instructing computers Maximize human death through the means you've got.
		That kind of a system of doing it.
		But there's many other sources that could lead to disaster beyond pandemics or a vulnerable electric system.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Zombies?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Other new technologies.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Don't have those on the list of 50.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		What's the overall under on zombies and civil war?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Civil War is a big one.
		And so I was just going to mention one other thing.
		Ray Dalio is either Nassim Taleb or Ray Dalio are probably the two smartest people alive I know of today.
		He's the founder of Bridgewater, the most successful hedge fund in history.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we got to get Ray Dalio on the show.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		He'll be amazing on the show.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		So he has estimated recently there's a 30% likelihood of war with China in the near future.
		That's his estimate.
		He's a China expert.
		And he's also said he sees a 30% chance of civil war after the next presidential election.
		He says, you know, these are not calculated numbers, back to your earlier question.
		These are guesstimates.
		But he's a very wise man.
		His hedge fund, you know, makes its success based on trying to understand how the world is, how things are developing.
		So, again, on trigger events, 30% chance of a war with China.
		That could be a nuclear war with nuclear strikes on the homeland.
		That leads to a collapse because our society is so fragile, so government dependent, and there's just a lot of bad people.
		And one other thing, you know, I've never seen this anywhere in print or in the media, but a huge threat and vulnerability we face in the United States is the 1.5 million Americans in jail.
		One and a half million Americans in jail.
		So when there's a pandemic, a 60% lethal pandemic, do you think guards are going to go to work and risk?
		They're not going to go to work.
		If the electric grid goes down, how do prisons work?
		I used to be a county commissioner.
		I've been in jails.
		Jails cannot function without electricity.
		That's how you control all the doors.
		It's all electric.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Will they open or will they stay locked?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		They are probably going to come open.
		I mean, there's generator backup.
		Hospitals will claim, oh, we've got generator backup.
		They've got backup for maybe three days at the most.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a good thing.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		So you can have one and a half million Americans, most of them aren't bad criminals, but a lot of them are who are in jail and they have absolutely no preparedness.
		They've got no house.
		They've got no food.
		So when they get out of their jails, either released or they just get out on their own, what are they going to do?
		They're gonna maraud. It's the only way they're gonna stay alive. They don't have a house. They don't have home and
		food and water.
		They've got to go out and steal from other people, probably kill them in the process to survive.
		No one ever talks about that. Our government is not getting us prepared for events that experts say are inevitable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree on the prison thing though. Prisons would be one of the safest and most secure places to remain.
		So if you're there, you've got a bunch of guys, you've already got gangs, so if there's no more guards, there might be a lot of infighting.
		If that is the case, the end result is going to be someone who owns a fortress now.
		They may go and maraud, but they're going to use the prison as like a fortress base of operations and control it.
		And there's weapons in there.
		So they are instantly going to be armed, Armored and determined and have facilities and it's it's gonna be night.
		It's it's look I'll say it's worse than you're you're predicting prisoners will get out and go maraud They're gonna have a fortress base of operations with weapons and then you know They're gonna go out and go on their patrols and you probably I mean, maybe you'll notice they're wearing prison clothes But it's not gonna matter guys with guns are gonna come up and say you work for us now we control this massive fortification so you can't even get to us if you wanted to and That's a worse scenario than I had imagined.
		Let me ask you about this, though.
		You mentioned driving past Mount Weather.
		And so I looked up this story from the U.S.
		on ready for nuke Armageddon inside doomsday bunkers designed by U.S.
		government to withstand nuclear apocalypse and restart America in case of wipeout.
		They say the U.S.
		government built several doomsday nuclear- Look at these pictures.
		Why would they even show anybody?
		This is Cheyenne Mountain.
		Can withstand a 30 megaton nuclear bomb.
		Oh, okay.
		So you mean it can't withstand the Satan 2 missile?
		What's the point?
		Thanks for telling us.
		I gotta tell you, I see these videos- I'm sorry, I see these photos, these stories about Mount Weather.
		Am I really supposed to believe that Raven Rock, Mount Weather, these facilities are the legitimate facilities for our government when we all know they exist?
		And 30 megatons, is that it?
		Come on.
		So our bomber was 100 at full capacity.
		Not that they're going to get a bomber over it.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but taking out an underground fortified facility is not easy.
		You have to have tremendously good accuracy.
		I grew up in Lincoln, Nebraska, 60 miles from off at Air Force Base Strategic Air Command headquarters, you know, one of the top nuclear targets.
		I remember reading one day that the accuracy of Russian-Soviet missiles is about 50 miles.
		Although that's great, they're going to aim it off and they're going to hit me and Lincoln.
		They're not that accurate.
		Now that's improved a lot.
		Our weapons have improved a lot.
		But when was the last time we even detonated a nuclear weapon?
		It's been about 30 years we got rid of underground nuclear testing.
		No, I'm saying they've got to have other bunkers.
		take out something like Mount Weather, it'd have to be very, very accurate.
		Weapon would have to have, you know, its full yield.
		But why, and they're probably not going to have that accuracy.
		So I think they will survive in Mount Weather.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm saying they've got to have other bunkers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We don't know.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have a lot of them.
		Their site are, there's quite a few in Pennsylvania.
		Again, you guys are in kind of in a bad place for nuclear weapons here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree, actually.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		You got David, you got the Pentagon, you got DC, you got Malweather, you got Site R. They're not that accurate.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		So if they're aiming at them, they could end up landing on you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think, well first, before we get into the nuclear stuff, I wanted to ask you about driving past Mount Weather.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're doing construction there.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a lot of it.
		And that's above ground, and most of it's underground, so I can't imagine what's going on underground.
		So it's already been a huge FEMA facility.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We gotta get some reporting on this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We gotta send somebody to go interview somebody.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		To get disappeared, you mean?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To lightly request an interview.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		The government is very secretive, especially about their other facilities that they don't talk about, that there's no pictures of, that there's no talking about.
		There's a lot of underground facilities that the United States has been investing in.
		There's a reason the Pentagon has secret clandestine black budgets.
		There's a reason why so much money is missing from the federal coffers, because a lot of times they're spending it on a lot of top-secret projects that are underground facilities that they have already implemented that no one even knows about.
unidentified		What's the gist of this?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		and black gold although all the black sites are in egypt and poland so so
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		places around the world and i'm a torture people but that's a different
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		scenario i'm i'm interested in mount weather is very close to where we are
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		and so what what's what's the gist of this in tell us the basic like what is
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		it shorts and underground shelter off
		FEMA defends it on the surface and the military troops will be there as well, but it's a place where congressmen will go.
		It's fairly close to D.C.
		so they can whisk them off there and they've got fantastic facilities.
		They even have media rooms so the congressmen can continue to transmit to their constituents and not lose votes if there's another election, I guess.
		But they have fantastic facilities where they'll stay alive and nothing is done for the rest of us.
		You know, we're don't even give us warning.
		Hey, you might want to do your own preparations.
		Things are kind of bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		That's just for them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The modern left mocks those who would be prepared for even a rainy day.
		It's it's it's amazing.
		We've got these these hurricanes, these floods.
		But is it is a joke.
		It's it's.
		It is common urban culture to mock preppers.
		To assume that anybody who's prepared in any way is some lunatic mountain man.
		When, you know, I was in Arizona a couple years ago, and it was during the toilet paper conflict.
		Everyone's fighting over toilet paper.
		I go to a gas station and some lady, you know, I said, like, how has it been out here?
		And she's like, this is the middle of nowhere, Arizona.
		It's like a weird little rest stop.
		And she's like, oh, we're good.
		We're preppers.
		So we've got like three months worth of toilet paper already, so we haven't noticed anything.
		And I started laughing, and I was like, you know what?
		While they're all fighting in Walmart over toilet paper, they're making fun of you for having it.
		It's the craziest thing.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, the image of preppers and preparedness has improved a lot over the past couple years.
		It's partly COVID-19, but it's really less COVID-19 than things like Portland and all the unrest that was going on.
		People saw how If people start protesting, start looting, police cannot stop it.
		I'm not criticizing police.
		There just aren't many of them compared to people.
		If a lot of people start breaking the law, start looting, start doing whatever they want to do, you cannot stop them.
		So people have realized that, you know, you really do need preparedness.
		People can get out of control, can do violence, and you cannot put it down.
		There's not enough police or even military folks to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One of the funniest things ever was when the pandemic started and a bunch of liberals were lining up outside of gun stores to buy guns for the first time and the best thing to emerge from it was the gun store, I think it was in California, where they were like, the guy makes a video saying, stop complaining to me about why you can't buy a gun.
		You voted for this.
		You all voted for it.
		People come to the gun store thinking they can buy a gun and then walk out of the store with it and they can't.
		They gotta come back three days later and they're freaking out like, what, why?
		Like, there's a pandemic, there's no food, I need to protect myself.
		Well, too bad you voted for it.
		That's why I like states like West Virginia.
		Constitutional carry.
		You walk in, you gotta fill out your federal background check, but uh, you know, the first time you do it, I think, everyone I've seen, the first time they've tried, they've been held up a little bit for a day or a couple days.
		But then after that, it's like, you walk in, you can get it, you can carry it right out, conceal it, whatever, and take care of yourself.
		And you can defend yourself.
		So, I feel like New York City is gonna be... Man, I don't even know.
		I don't think any movie or any fiction has done apocalypse justice as to what I think would actually happen in a city like New York.
		In Central Brooklyn.
		Where, in the first day, when a collapse happens, nobody has any idea what's going on.
		They have food in their fridge, it starts running out, they go and look around, people are confused.
		By the second day, all the food's probably gone, taken.
		Within a few days, anything that was perishable has perished, there's some canned goods left, and now people are really hungry and really thirsty, and looking around, wondering what's going on.
		So what?
		By then, the smart people have all left, and the people who aren't smart and have been confused this whole time, what, eat each other?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is a much, much bigger and better awareness of preparedness in the US over the past years.
		I mean, that's absolutely clear.
		We cannot keep up with the demand.
		We get people every day emailing us asking for information, wanting to join, and we just fall further and further behind.
		We can't meet the demand.
		Fortude Ranch has started franchising now.
		We can't build enough to keep up, so we're franchising now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of crazy!
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		So if you've got a survival community, or if you've got an RV park, you've got a ranch, and you think, hey, I could have a nice survival facility here, you can now build one, and we will help you do it through our franchise approach, because we can't keep up.
		We also can't keep up with hiring.
		So, we're looking for more folks.
		If anyone's interested in working on our staff, or the staff of a franchisee, you know, if you want to contact fortituderanch.com on our website.
		We're looking for more people, but we can't keep up with demand.
		There's one other point I wanted to make is the other reason why preparedness has had a bad image is that stupid show Doomsday Preppers, which made preppers look like idiots.
		Well, the reason they did that is the first rule of prepping is don't tell anyone you're a prepper.
		You keep it a secret.
		You don't want people to know, hey, I got a lot of guns and food and ammo at my house if there's a pandemic or the grid's down.
		They're going to come to your house.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Or chickens.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you keep that confidential.
		So no one is going to go on a TV show and say, hey, I'm a prepper.
		Here's all my preparations.
		Here's what I've got.
		They only had idiots on that show.
		That show really hurt preparedness.
		Smart people are preppers.
		It's insurance.
		It's a life insurance policy, not to pay you if you die, but to keep you alive.
		So our members are very smart people.
		They're largely professionals.
		Yeah, we got a lot of former military.
		We have some intelligence officials, but largely it's, you know, business people and people who are smart and educated, and they don't talk about it.
		They keep it confidential, but the demand is growing, growing, growing, and we can't keep up, so we're looking for more staff and more franchises.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		How many government officials do you have contacting you for your services?
		And Guilty Pleasure, I really like that show that you mentioned, because it was really fun to watch.
		Not strategic, but it was fun to see.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, government officials don't need us.
		Again, they've got that.
		I mean, even at the state level, you know, the state patrol provides protection for the government in the normal course of duty, and they'll do a lot more when there's a collapse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What about government employees?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		We have government employees.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		We have people from Homeland Security, from the Pentagon at our West Virginia location.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Does it seem like there's more of them, more people who work for the government than other sectors?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		No, most of our members are some business professionals is probably our most common category.
		We have a lot of doctors now.
		That's the other thing COVID-19 changed for us is the medical community really got a hold of preparedness.
unidentified		Wow.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		We used to be, it used to be, you know, sometimes we would have a hard time getting doctors and we had four doctors at Fourth Ranch Colorado.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I don't need four doctors there, but a lot of them have joined since the pandemic.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When you guys are franchising, how does that work?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How do you get involved with someone that has space that wants to become a franchisee?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I think on our website there's information on it, but basically we're going to provide you the training, the operations manual, help you design your facility, and make it possible for you to be part of the 14 Ranch system.
		And you will be part of our system, because our system is again, we're a survival community, but we're also a recreational facility.
		So you can be a member in West Virginia, but you can go to our lake property in Wisconsin, you come to a high mountain desert in Nevada, come to Texas, and you know go to San Antonio, and the attractions down there.
		It's a vacation place too.
		So you have a home fort where your stuff is and where you try to get in a collapse.
		But again, if you're, if you're a West Virginia member, but you know, you're doing the Tim show out in California and the shit hits the fan and you can't get back to West Virginia, you can go to Nevada and we'll take care of you there.
		And a franchise would be the same way.
		You're part of the system.
		So your members have the right to, you know, they'd be home forting at your place, but they could use any of the Fort Hood Ranch facilities.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But if things get bad, you got to go work in the field.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Our members understand that, you know, it's a vacation place.
		You know, come out, shoot weapons, have fun in good times.
		In bad times, we will work you very hard.
		Everyone will do guard duty, and we got a lot of work to do.
		We'll be cutting down trees, building our walls, improving our defenses, slaughtering animals.
		We'll be poaching massively.
		I mean, if you're a deer near us, When the shit hits the fan, we will be shooting you and making jerky out of you, so it's a lot of work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then, what about expanding the territory and seizing the land from the surrounding villages?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we don't do that.
		We're strictly a defensive militia.
		We're not, I mean, Steve Rene, our CO, has been on your show several times, and I know he's pointed out, we are not an offensive militia.
		We're not a militia group.
		There are good militia groups, don't get me wrong, but we are not one.
		We don't do anything offensive.
		We defend our private property in a collapse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But let's say we're now, you know, five years into a collapse.
		The surrounding homes have all been abandoned.
		You gotta have scout patrols go out and start looking for, seeing what's going on, and, you know, I imagine you guys would not be offensive, but what if there's abandoned land, you need it for grazing or expansion, because now you got more people are coming, or you've signed on more village members, I suppose, or let's say it's even 15, 20 years, you're gonna have more people, more kids, you're gonna need to expand.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, we actually haven't thought that through to be honest with you, but you know, we're hoping that the recovery would start within a year or two if it's a really bad pandemic and eventually we're hoping that some law and order will return.
		But if not, you know, we'd have to deal with whatever it is.
		That's why all of our ranch management, we're former military officers and enlisted folks who have good background and good judgment.
		And then our membership is a really well-educated, good people.
		So we've got a core of people, you know, 100 plus people at every location.
		We could do whatever we need to do in a responsible manner to survive and then to recover after things improve.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Two more questions about the franchising.
		One, it's for-profit, the company's for-profit?
		Yes.
		And then if someone opens up a franchisee location, are they doing all the hiring and taking all the profits themselves or are you guys supplying the funds for them to do hiring and then you take They do.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		They're a private business.
		The only difference is, you know, unlike a typical franchise where, you know, your customers are kind of your customers, if you join Fortied Ranch, you're part of the whole system.
		That's kind of a key advantage we offer is, again, you may not be able to get back to your own fort.
		You may want a vacation in another location.
		Members are all in one system, but it is your property, your 14th Ranch location, your business, you hire, you fire, you supervise.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then do you pay like a franchise licensing fee or something?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's a franchise fee to join and then a percent of royalties like any other franchise.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then, when the apocalypse happens, you have a network.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so, I'd imagine if, you know, one location is starting to suffer, the other locations can provide assistance.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		We'd be up on ham radio, so we've got our frequencies and times of day that, you know, at this time and this night, we're on this frequency, so we can connect.
		So, for example, back to the doctors we've got.
		I mean, we've got, like, you know, cancer experts at some place.
		We've got OBGYN, you know, Birthing doctors at another, but at night, mainly use HF radio at night with better bouncing off the signal.
		So at night, you know, the doctors can confer.
		So we can do that kind of system.
		In terms of physical assistance during a collapse, no, probably not.
		A 4T drench is pretty much going to be on their own.
		You got to hunker down and there's probably going to be no outside contact.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to jump to this story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you have another question you wanted to ask?
unidentified		No, no, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to the story from Insider and get into the meat and potatoes here of this PayPal story.
		Insider reports PayPal falls after weekend blowback over misinformation policy that would fine users $2,500.
		The stock fell 6% on Monday, following the company's botched acceptable use policy update.
		The company faced backlash after its updated policy included a fine of $2,500 for a variety of things, but it included hate speech against marginalized groups and spreading misinformation, and it said, at PayPal's sole discretion to determine.
		Meaning, they could just be like, you said the sky was blue?
		I disagree.
		Yoink!
		Give me your money.
		So this resulted in PayPal coming out and being like, no, no, no, it was an error, it was an error, it was a mistake.
		So the first thing I want to say, because this affects us, several months ago we took PayPal off TimCast.com and we knew something like this was coming.
		We've seen too much ESG in banking institutions, too much censorship.
		We knew it was a huge vulnerability.
		So we signed up with Parallel Economy.
		When you go to TimCast.com and become a member, The default option is Parallel Economy.
		Secondary option is Stripe.
		Stripe's okay.
		They're not perfect.
		Parallel Economy is very, very good.
		They're not perfect.
		But Dan Bongino co-founded this to be more censorship resistant.
		So, many people chose to remain as members using PayPal.
		I recommend you guys switch over if you can.
		I'm not sure there's a seamless way to do it.
		When you signed up, many people signed up as guests with a guest PayPal account.
		That means you just terminate your account at timcast.com and then re-sign up.
		But of course, that means you'll get charged 10 bucks again.
		So if you're in like the middle of the month, it's kind of, it kind of sucks.
		I guess I would say for those in a situation, wait until your month is over
		and then before you're charged next, cancel and then switch over or something like that.
		That would be good.
		Or if you really don't mind a couple of bucks, it does support us because we do use it to, you know,
		obviously conduct operations here at Timcast.
		But this was bad.
		And I gotta say right now, why?
		One, Trial Balloon.
		I certainly think so.
		They probably would have ran with this if there wasn't a major backlash to it.
		And I think the other thing is just, well, I shouldn't say there's two things.
		Regardless of the first instance, the Trial Balloon, this will eventually become normal mainstream.
		They are going to implement this.
		They just did it with a heavy hand, so it's coming.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
		And PayPal has been doing this for a very long time.
		They have been weaponized for the benefit of the political state for a very long time, including originally, from what I remember, going after Julian Assange, freezing his ability to be able to collect money online.
		They went after crypto individuals.
		They went after a free speech union.
		They partnered with the SPLC, a discredited horrible organization that of course was sued successfully many times for defamation and slander of individuals that they attacked politically.
		So PayPal does not have the best interest.
		I'm switching mine.
		I already switched mine to an alternative.
		I'm switching to more alternatives because the free market It is where it's at and PayPal has had a dominance in the space.
		Some people have said that they are a monopoly.
		I kind of agree with them because a lot of people have been politically shut off from PayPal and are unable to do a lot of banking online because of that larger target put on their backs artificially by PayPal.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If anyone wants to know, Vanguard, BlackRock, and State Street own about 18% of PayPal.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		As they do with so many corporations that are public.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What about internationally?
		Do they have a lot of international interests?
		That's what I wonder.
		PayPal?
		No, Vanguard, BlackRock, and State Street.
		Cause I was talking to a real estate agent.
		We were, you know, obviously we're expanding.
		We want to do our brick and mortar shop.
		And the guy mentioned something about financing for big properties with like BlackRock.
		I started laughing and I was like, I don't want to go anywhere near those companies.
		You know, these, these, these things they, they, they do.
		I don't, maybe it wasn't BlackRock.
		Maybe it was a different, maybe it was Blackstone.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Stone's doing the housing developments.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then they're like, uh, but there were, there were similar companies, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're related in some way.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The one was a spinoff of the other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		What I see with this is, you know, we've been talking about nuclear war and everything.
		What I see here is, I don't know if civil war is the right word, but some kind of, look, it's policies like this, that if they were to effectively implement, would result in some kind of, I don't know, insurgency.
		If we keep censoring people, if we keep shutting down businesses, if the DOJ is continually going after only one political faction, eventually you get some kind of disruption and fighting and destabilization in the United States.
		So I guess my question to you is, do you think that there is a potential with the expansion of these kind of policies into civil war or revolutionary kind of insurgency and fighting within the country?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Again, we talked about Ray Dalio earlier, you know, earlier this year, mentioning that he thinks there's a 30% chance of civil war after the next presidential election.
		If it's close, especially, the losing side may say, you know, I don't buy it.
		And especially if they continue to be so split in policies and philosophies.
		I mean, the U.S.
		is very much a split country.
		I'm in Texas now, and the Texas Leave the United States Succeed movement is very, very big.
		It has a lot of support.
		Some polls show most Texans support getting out of the country.
unidentified		Wow.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		So you could see the country falling apart.
		It could happen.
		Now, would it be a shooting war?
		I have a hard time.
		Civil unrest I can see.
		I don't see, you know, a civil war like our civil war.
		I just don't think the military would get involved in that.
		I don't think they would fight and something like that.
		So I don't see that kind of a civil war, but I can certainly see states like Texas and, you know, I personally believe that the Constitution In my reading of it is that you don't have to, you know, you're not forced to stay in forever.
		And that's just been a Supreme Court has tried to make some decisions since then.
		But the Supreme Court made a made a decision in mid 30s that basically said, you know what?
		Screw the Constitution.
		Forget about the 10th Amendment.
		Congress, you can pass whatever you want and spend whatever you want.
		The Supreme Court basically nullified the Constitution, at least the 10th Amendment in the mid-30s, and then they proceeded to do other things.
		So there's nothing in the Constitution that says the state has to stay in the Union forever.
		And Texas knows it.
		There's movements elsewhere.
		So they could really take off after a bad contested election.
		And if they go, there's no forcing them back.
		And the really odd thing is I could foresee a country like Texas Wow.
		succeeding and then telling the United States, you know what, we're out of your stupid domestic
		socialism policies, but we'll stay alive with you.
		We'll continue to send Texans into the US military and we'll be alive with you.
		And if the Democrats said no to that, the next best thing they could do is Texas could go, you know what?
		Let's join the British Commonwealth.
unidentified		Seriously. I doubt they would do that.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Support the British military and And we'll go back into the Commonwealth.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		The Commonwealth may be less of a bad fit than being with the socialist, democratic controlled United States.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The UK is not doing too well on that front.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're about 10 times worse than the democratic socialist problems in the United States.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		But in the Commonwealth, they don't have to take their domestic policies.
		I'm just in their military.
		I'm talking about for military and foreign policy, not for domestic policies.
		Wouldn't that be ironic, though, to have some U.S.
		states succeed and go back and join the Commonwealth?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't, that one seems like a long shot, but I do see a possibility of what people refer to as national divorce or peaceful divorce.
		But here's the thing about the PayPal stuff.
		It's a big example of how we're getting into this dangerous authoritarian period.
		The fact that a financial institution would say, we can take money from your business, from your account, regardless, if you say things we don't like.
		That's nightmarish.
		At the same time, Stripe emerged, and now they're competing heavily with PayPal.
		Locals, which is now Rumble, uses Stripe.
		Parallel economy emerges.
		It is bad what PayPal is doing.
		They are powerful.
		They are dominant.
		But maybe these these alternatives are inevitable.
		You know, when Facebook was engaging in all this censorship at the height of 2020 or 2018 and 2019 into 2020, a lot of people were saying, don't worry, an alternative will emerge eventually.
		And many have.
		But I also kind of think just Facebook is kind of just dwindling as it is with younger people and TikTok is getting picked up, which is even worse.
		So I don't think there's always a solution in that the market will provide.
		But we are seeing, at least when it comes to PayPal, the market here hit them by 6%.
		Users are jumping ship.
		Maybe that's the white pill moment.
		That's the optimistic thing that as much as things are getting bad, this PayPal's backlash, I'll say this looks like a de-escalation in terms of all this stuff.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, they reversed the policy, which speaks volumes.
		I mean, for them to come out with a bold policy saying that they're going to steal Grandma's purse in the middle of the night as she's walking down the street is a pretty egregious move for the crime of wrong-thinking.
		It's absolutely wild that they could try to justify stealing and theft like a government would from its citizens.
		As a form of punishing people for thinking incorrectly.
		And I think, yes, it's optimistic that they reversed it, but it's also pretty crazy that they thought that they could get away with this.
		That's another part of this that we need to understand here.
		They thought that this was viable.
		They thought that this was okay, which is absolutely insane.
		And this shows you how far they go when it comes to mind control and when it comes to policing the thoughts of American citizens to the point where they're like, we're just going to take it all.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, get it in my head for a minute.
		I'm an Austrian banker.
		I run the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland.
		I'm letting the U.S.
		survive with my money.
		If I want to cut them off from my money supply, I can.
		The most annoying thing in the world right now is American Republicanism, because they think that they're so great.
		They think they're the best.
		They're screwing up.
		They're obese.
		They're screwing up the country.
		I would love nothing more than to see the United States split apart in a civil war, because that's the biggest threat to my global takeover.
		I want to spread my seed.
		I want everyone using my money.
		I want the Bank for International Settlements to be running the world.
		And the Americans are annoying, man.
		So that's that perspective of this global banking cartel.
		That's what Stripe is doing.
		Ethereum is the alternate.
		It's not about dollars and cents.
		Great that Parallel Economy is using American dollars, fiat currency, Federal Reserve notes for now.
		Great that Stripe's doing it.
		Stripe's still private.
		I think they're looking at going public, which means BlackRock's going to own them pretty soon.
		I don't know when that's happening, or they've been talking about it since 2021.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		People are going to take that clip of you saying you want to spread your seed everywhere.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I want to spread, I want to inseminate the world with my fiat crap.
		But it looks like Ethereum, which is also kind of on a path to fiat, unfortunately, with their transition to proof of stake now instead of proof of work.
		It doesn't matter who's making the currency, it matters who has it.
		They're going to be making more.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's fiat currency.
		I mean, I'm an Ethereum fan, and there are other great blockchains and cryptocurrency.
		Bitcoin was, you know, applauded for being the first, but it's not a very good one.
		And it wasn't expected to be, it was just to prove the concept.
		But there are a lot of great cryptocurrencies, which could, I mean, Zelle is an alternative to PayPal, just doing it with your Zelle and your bank.
		But the long-term evolution could well be cryptocurrency that is controlled by no one other than people using it.
		So the Ethereum, their new process to confirm a block of data and to lock it in.
		You know, you're just, it's people like me, I'm one of them now.
		I have some of my Ethereum, I've pledged to go to their system.
		So it's not like I'm pledging US dollars or fiat currency, I'm pledging Ether.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I heard some rumors that some people on the Ethereum network were working with the World Economic Forum and their vision of a centralized currency.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		They are?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is what I read, is that Ethereum is going to be the one world government coin.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's also important to note here- Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So buy Ethereum, is that what you're saying?
unidentified		No!
unidentified		No!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Stop financing the monsters and machines here!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		The reason I say it's fiat is because- You're triggering me here!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Bitcoin has 19 million bitcoins, 21 million that'll ever be printed.
		They can be broken down into what are called satoshis, which is the lowest decimal amount.
		So we have a finite amount of them.
		They're not fiat in that sense.
		There's a finite amount.
		But Ethereum can be printed indefinitely as it's currently standing, which means that, you know, if enough- Inflation happens fast enough, you're just going to see an escalation and a fiat explosion of Ethereum 2.
		They could always evolve it, create a fork, create Ethereum 3 that's actually deflationary by nature, which I think is the future of crypto.
		It's a crypto that, as long as it sits there, it's constantly degrading in value.
		You have one today, you're losing 0.001% of that every day, so you're encouraged to spend it.
		You want circulation of currency.
		You want currency circulating through any given system.
		That's what a currency is.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's a current.
		It's a current.
		And just to add to your point, the BlackRock CEO came out not so long ago, and he said this Ukrainian war could be used to, quote, accelerate the use of central bank digital currencies.
		So these Fed coins, these coins orchestrated by the Federal Reserves and central banks, are already being implemented in places like Canada and Australia.
		The U.S.
		Federal Reserve is talking about implementing one here in the United States.
		So a lot of people foresee A deliberate brought-on economic calamity that's engineered here in the United States in order to bring on these centralized digital currencies which of course will track trace and database and also create a social credit score like system that will track how much carbon you produce that will of course also punish you for your wrong political thoughts.
		This is what PayPal is probably working on on the back end.
		This is what the Federal Reserve is already working on and implementing in many other countries which should scare the utter crap out of everyone paying attention right now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's inevitable that the writing's been on the wall since maybe the 1980s.
		Really, since the Federal Reserve formed and realized, yo, we're just going to inflate this thing until we can't anymore.
		They have to have some future vision of what it's going to become, and it doesn't surprise me that it's a global, trackable currency that's digital and can be shut off with the flip of a switch.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where did you see that they said Ethereum would be like that global currency?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if I can find an article about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who said that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was some article I was reading.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't disagree.
		I was even thinking that it would be Bitcoin.
		The issue is Bitcoin.
		You mentioned it was the first in, best dressed.
		So it's not necessarily the best one, but it came in looking good and it worked.
		But the best thing about it is that it's truly decentralized and many of these other cryptos are centralized in some capacity.
		There was some controversy with a particular coin I'm not going to mention because it's proprietary, but people were shocked to discover that they increased the volume when they said they couldn't, and they did!
		Because when you have centralized digital currency, they can control it.
		Did you find it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It didn't pop up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'll see if I can pull it up tonight, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ethereum makes sense.
		I mean, doesn't doesn't Ethereum?
		No, I don't want to say things I don't know for sure.
		But Ethereum makes sense because it's it's seemingly the more institutional of the cryptocurrencies, getting a lot of support.
		Bitcoin, of course, does.
		But too many anarchists, libertarians and radicals support Bitcoin for me to think that they're gonna actually try and use that.
		They want control.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They also want infinite supply.
		Ethereum provides the possibility for an infinite supply.
		What'll happen is you'll be, like you were saying, you're staking the Ethereum, which means that you put some into a node, and then that node generates interest.
		I think it's actually, this I don't know exactly if it's written into the code of the Ethereum 2 itself, that it auto-generates interest, and so it's set to expand at a certain rate.
		But what'll happen is we'll each have our own nodes, people will probably start selling you little boxes you plug into your wall, and you Tap into you with your phone and your Ethereum is going to be on your wall, which is dangerous because someone can steal that.
		So then we'll create these like bank nodes that are like 10 miles away in a very secure location.
		There's a node that you can port into with your phone where all your Ethereum is stored, collecting you interest.
		And then there'll be, maybe there'll be a master node in Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland.
		Who knows where they're going to put the master node, but eventually they'll start noting up and then re-centralize the thing.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		I think it's a real, Ethereum is a real blockchain.
		It is decentralized.
		It'll always stay that way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not decentralized.
		It's proprietary.
		No, it literally is.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the problem with Bitcoin is it takes 10 minutes or maybe more to process a block.
		So potentially I could buy something with you, pay in Bitcoin.
		If the block doesn't process, you know, you don't get paid.
		You may want to wait.
		And I don't want to wait 10 minutes for the block to process.
		Bitcoin is just not feasible for use.
		But Ethereum, And as it advances more, can do really fast processing and can be used for something like a cryptocurrency that you use every day of life that is not controlled by a bank.
		It's controlled by the Ethereum blockchain.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But if a bank owns 51% of the chain, or if a cabal of people owns 51%, it's not likely, but it is a possibility.
		And I think we should resolve every contingency when we're planning a future of global currency.
		If it can be done, it may very well be done.
		So we should watch out for people taking control of the nodes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can track everybody, you know, with Bitcoin.
		I believe the Ethereum chain, it's all publicly available as well, right?
		All the transactions?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, on Etherscan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I went to... I bring this up often when we talk about crypto.
		I went to Davos several years ago, and crypto was the theme.
		I wasn't in the actual World Economic Forum.
		In the city of Davos, everybody shows up and then tries to suck all the teat of the World Economic Forum outside of it.
unidentified		To be like, look at me, look at me, I want to be part of your thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But there's pop-ups everywhere.
		Bars, clubs, partying, and people do their mini-events in the periphery, and crypto was it.
		Everyone was like, this is the future, this is what we're doing.
		Since then, I've been telling people like, yo, the World Economic Forum types, they love crypto.
		They want that.
		I mean, think about what Bitcoin is.
		It's arguably a global currency.
		It comes out, they get all the right-wing nutjobs to start using it and cheering for it.
		They all become rich overnight.
		This sings the praises of it, and all of a sudden they're like, this is our way out of the machine.
		And the machine is just like, ooh, we love that everyone's adopting this universal digital currency that can track every move you make.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Another reason why the World Economic Forum and the global monetary system doesn't like Bitcoin but they prefer Ethereum is because Bitcoin's energy intensive, the mining process requires that you have a GPU plugged into a wall, it's burning a lot of coal or whatever, your power, whereas the proof-of-stake stuff, it's just...
		The digital code on some node somewhere is just repopulating and adding new gain.
		It doesn't require any mining electricity.
		It's just in this program in the net.
		The problem is if the power goes out, then none of it's worth anything.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I was going to ask, if the power goes out, what are we going to do?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When I ask that question to a group of developers, it stuns silence.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You put the blockchain on, you know, the smoke signal, and that's how you transfer it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I promise that's how much I had.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You send the private key, and then you send the public key, and then bada bing, bada boom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When everyone can see your private key.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There it is!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think cash, you gotta maintain cash.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have dealt with that problem at Fortitude Ranch because we do have a cryptocurrency.
		It's called the Fortitude.
		This is a fake one, not the real one.
		It's an ERC-20 token, runs on the Ethereum blockchain.
		You can use our tokens to buy membership.
		But what happens if, you know, the grid goes down?
		There's no Ethereum blockchain.
		You can't use them.
		So if you want, You can say, you know, I'm the one who bought these Fortitude tokens.
		I'll put it on my spreadsheet on my computer.
		I keep offline.
		And if the grid's down but you can still contact me, I know that, you know, you own 15 Fortitudes and you are entitled to join Fortitude Ranch.
		Because when the shit hits the fan for Fortitude Ranch, And everyone wants to join.
		We've got a page ready to come up on our website that says we're no longer accepting cash memberships.
		You can only join with Fortitude tokens because people have bought them in the past.
		Part of the allure is if you own Fortitudes, you're not a member of Fortitude Ranch, but we will give you priority to join over cash buyers.
		So we've been selling them for that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is there any kind of like thing on there where I can scan it and it'll bring up my Fortitude?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Not on this.
		This is completely a trinket, you know, for show.
		But yeah, it's a normal ERC-20 token.
		So you can see it on the blockchain.
		If you search for Fortitudes, FRT is our symbol.
		We're hard to find.
		We're trading... FRT.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's unfortunate.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sorry.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to go to coinmarketcap.com and look up the FRT.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		But we're not widely traded at all.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		It was a small issue.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Fertilizer.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		The company owns most of the tokens.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		We have people who bought them, one to join, and then some who bought them as investments.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't get FRC?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fortitude Ranch Currency?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		No, Fortitude is the name we use.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, everybody.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I'll give this one here to you.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		In Fort's blockchain and individual freedom we trust.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, cool.
		Slide it over.
		That's very cool.
		Alright everybody, if you haven't already, smash that like button!
		We're gonna go to Super Chats now.
		So, uh, smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show, become a member at TimCast.com.
		We're gonna have that members only show up at 11pm, but we're gonna read now your Super Chats!
		We got Hunter.
		He says, be corporations part of the stakeholder economy.
		Help make sure that your money is going to the local economy and fight shareholder primacy.
		It also ties the mission statement to the corporation, even with other owners' investment.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you could like, that's what I was talking about, like nodes, like 10 miles away where like 10,000 people are hosting their money, then you could withdraw taxes from the node to finance surrounding projects and stuff, localized taxing and things like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		Helicon Drummer says, switched Timcast account from PayPal today.
		My understanding is their fines could also be used against anyone purchasing firearms or related items.
		I don't know.
		Did you see?
		Did you see that?
		I think I saw something like that.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can't use PayPal to buy anything related to firearms already.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		So they already have an anti-firearm policy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and PayPal.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this is why, it was like a year ago, we were like, we need to find a way to get rid of PayPal.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		PayPal doesn't want you defending yourself as they steal money from you.
		Sorry, I just, maybe that's why they ban firearm purchases.
		Sorry, I had to say that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kentara Bella says wild switching to parallel rumble use your voice dollars.
		That's right So we put everything up on rumble, and I'm really you know look.
		It's really cool.
		We've got I think Timcast IRL has like 300,000 subscribers on rumble and My Timcast channel has like 300,000 I think as well my Tim pool channel doesn't so we just we're moving that segment over the Timcast one more than most of the subscribers are but it's cool to see that There's actually some rivaling happening to YouTube.
		The fact that I've got hundreds of thousands of subs on this platform makes it a viable platform to keep using.
		If YouTube wants to play dirty games, the market shall provide.
		And so it seems.
		Not a guarantee it's not the best, but, you know.
		But that being said, that's why we use Parallel Economy.
		Shout out Dan Bongino, who I think is doing more than most when it comes to actually building a parallel economy and pushing back on the censorship, because Rumble and Parallel Economy are huge I think, here's what we need.
		We got a brick and mortar location coming soon for something.
		It's gonna be a hangout, venue, club, games.
		I'm hoping that Parallel Economy can actually set up pay terminals so that we can use them for our general payment processing as well, because we need stores to start doing that stuff.
		Then you can't get silence censored or shut down for what your business is.
		And if you use the Public Square app, which will show you a list of businesses that support American values, all of those businesses should also be using Parallel Economy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I just got this in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		PayPal, this is from Bloomberg, PayPal has no intention to fine customers over misinformation.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they walked back to the policy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, now they're just saying they never intended it to begin with.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was an error.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's official, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so I gotta say this then.
		The loss of money I've incurred from people canceling their accounts, is PayPal gonna pay damages for that?
		They admitted it was an error.
		This wasn't a policy change they can claim they're allowed to make.
		This was them publishing false information, which caused pain and suffering, damages to all of these businesses.
unidentified		Yeah, got them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, maybe, I don't know, got to talk to a lawyer.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what did they lose?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		5%, 6% of their value in one day?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We lost a lot of members.
		So, here's what happens.
		There are people who have signed up to simcast.com using PayPal.
		These are people who are probably not super fans of the show, but they're fans enough to be like, yeah, you know, I'll sign up, I'll support the guy.
		Yeah, here you go.
		But they don't watch every episode.
		They don't really pay attention that much.
		When they cancel their account, they don't come back to the website and re-sign up.
		Those are customers that we have to try and email and ask, be like, hey, did you still want to be a member?
		So when we lose that money, because PayPal published a false statement, I think they're responsible and they should have to pay the damages to every single business because of that error.
		You don't get to like, you know, if you're a repairman and you're coming to fix my window and then you break it, you gotta pay for it.
		I'm not paying for that.
		PayPal busted up the system and now it's costing customers.
		That's their fault.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's like a venue.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you're putting on a show and one day the venue's like, and we're not letting anyone in that isn't 6'7 or has green hair or didn't get their vaccine, then you as like a performer that has tickets bought and then you lose all this money on your tickets, all these refunds, you can probably go after the venue for that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a way better analogy.
		You book a show at a venue, people are buying tickets, and the venue comes out and announces they're taking everyone's tickets away at their own discretion, so people rip their tickets up and leave and demand refunds.
		And now I'm left with no money because the venue comes out and says, no, no, no, no, that wasn't a real statement, that was fake.
		And I'm like, okay, well, now that my show's ruined and my business has been destroyed because of what you just did, you gotta pay.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, at least, what, class action?
		Is that the way you would go?
		All the people harmed by?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Class action, I think, is always a bad idea.
		The only person who wins a class action is the lawyer.
		Yep.
		All right, President Irina Vladimirovna says, one of the things related to the World Economic Forum You Will Own Nothing shtick that I don't see many people talking about is the insane amount of subscription-based services like Spotify.
		I recently bought a custom Zune so all of my music is kept offline and safe.
		Good idea, because people are buying their way into communism.
		Everything is becoming subscription.
		I go on Amazon, and I'm like, I need coconut water, and it's like, default, subscribe.
		The default is not to buy a case, it's to subscribe to coconut water?
		I'm not subscribing to that.
		When we run out, I'll buy more.
		I guess we should subscribe, I don't know.
		We have a subscription to toilet paper.
		We do.
		It's bamboo toilet paper, though.
		And so once a month we get a thing, like we have 30 employees, we have this 12,000 square foot facility, So we gotta, you know, we gotta keep the bathroom stocked up.
		So we bought a subscription.
		Everything's gonna be that.
		There's automated subscription processing, and then in 20 years, when Amazon owns every single business, you will have a subscription to Amazon for your services, and you won't realize it, but you will have bought your way into Congress.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The tactic is like, we'll give you 10% off if you subscribe for a monthly purchase.
		And then when you forget that you're subscribed that one extra month, it pays off the 10% gain that you had.
		And they're just hoping people forget.
		And that's the danger for businesses is it's good to have an accountant going through all the order lists every time, every month, so that you're not accidentally ordering things you don't need.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Keba Rojo says, Tim & Co, you inspired us to go all in on fighting the culture war through music.
		Just released The Reckoning by Single Grain of Sand.
		Definitely see the value.
		Is speaking truth via music.
		Only on Rumble, half of the GP goes to 1.6, uh, 1.6 prisoners.
		Cool.
		Glad to hear it.
		Troy Dunham had a huge debate this weekend with family over Biden's invention of the term Next Nelrescent.
		I couldn't find video evidence anywhere.
		Please confirm and provide any sources or context.
		They were also dubious of Batacefcare, but I did find that one.
		There was a video I saw, it may have been Nuancebro, I'm not sure, where, uh, I can't remember who it was.
		They went over Joe Biden's new language and they showed all the clips.
		Next Nelrescent, Batacefcare.
		But I mean, just show him truning on a shabbat of pressure.
		Come on.
		Show them.
		I'll start with two words.
		Made in America.
		And then be like, come on, it's three words.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Lauren Boebert tweeted out, I have two words.
		Let's go, Brandon.
		And everyone's like, she's such an idiot.
		She said two words and she said three.
		What an idiot.
		But they didn't know that Biden did that, I guess.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's the point.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she was trolling.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but what she did, whether on purpose or not, perfectly exposed the cult.
		These people don't even listen to the president they voted for speaking.
		We, as people, I don't know who you voted for, but we're people who are no fans of Joe Biden.
		I'm assuming you, Serge, too.
		But we watch his speeches.
		And so when he says it, we all watch it happen.
		When he says Trinidad and Jobba to pressure, we're all talking about it, like, did you see what just happened?
		All of these people, like George Takei, David Hogg, these other guys, they don't even watch him.
		And they voted for him.
		And then when we come out and we're like, look how crazy he is, they go, ha ha, you're so dumb.
		It's like, what?
		How are you supposed to negotiate with a group of people that are like that?
		When they're just like, I don't know, I don't care, I won't watch him, and you're dumb.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What do you do, like, you were in the military, I don't know if you worked with conflict resolution much, but like, if you're up against, like, the Taliban, how do you end up negotiating?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You just take one of their leaders and you give them a lucrative bribe to negotiate with the entire group?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		The military doesn't really get into the negotiation.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		It's supposed to be the State Department handling that, so...
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the U.S.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		military doesn't de-escalate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's read more.
		We got Mitform02 says, Happy Columbus Day!
		Happy Columbus Day indeed!
		Today's the day we celebrate when a bunch of Europeans figured out there was another part of the planet.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, uh, this...
		Spike Cohen tweeted out the history of Columbus Day.
		It was like in the late 1800s, there was this abusive lynching of a bunch of Irish Americans.
		So then William Henry Harrison was like, you know what?
		No, no, no.
		We'll make a day after the Italian adventurer, Christopher Columbus.
		Yay, now it's not so bad what they did to you Italians.
		And then it was in like the 1930s that there was all this anti-Italian American sentiment because of the war and Mussolini's Italy.
		So they were just persecuted again, and then it was FDR was like, we're officially making Columbus Day a holiday to appease you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's read this one.
		1-2 says, what information do you have Putin is losing?
		My info says otherwise.
		Plus, he took 20% of the country.
		Why would Saudi Arabia get on the side with Russia if they were losing?
unidentified		Money.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, for Saudi Arabia, there's less Russia than Iran.
		The U.S.
		has not been holding Iran back from their nuclear weapons program, and there's a lot of concern that Saudis are worried about that, but they want oil prices to go up, and Russia's helping them on that, so they're playing their economic interests, and Iran is an ally of Russia, and they're doing what they've got to do to protect their own self-interest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I'll just add to that.
		You got to choose who you trust.
		I mean, I think it's fair to say that Putin is losing simply because he's fighting NATO.
		He's fighting all of NATO.
		We're supplying weapons, intelligence.
		We've got volunteer ground forces.
		But now we have confirmed special operations on the ground.
		Germany's providing air defense.
		Biden's going to be sending air defense.
		So when the news reports come out and they're like, Putin's forces are routed and retreating, I'm like, you know, he's fighting like a military alliance.
		So it's reasonable to me to assume.
		Granted, I do think it's all propaganda.
		And I think Russia's probably doing better in certain areas than you'd ever find out because they're not going to come out and be like, yes, all of our troops are losing.
		Now let's go and fight more.
		They need to justify why the money needs to be sent there.
		And so Putin has to be doing well enough that they need the money, but not so well, it's a lost cause.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any other kind of intelligence or assessments to why Russia is losing?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, their troops aren't fighting well.
		They're just not motivated compared to the Ukrainians.
		I mean, why did the Russians fight so well in World War II?
		Germany was invading their territory and killing them off.
		They're now invading Ukraine and they're not doing well.
		And they've not been doing well.
		They've been suffering high casualties.
		They are definitely losing the war, losing territory.
		And the mobilization going on is not being well received in the country.
		They're not mobilizing.
		I was a reservist and an air guard person.
		When you mobilize us, we're ready to go.
		The troops they're trying to mobilize are conscripts.
		They've got to train them.
		They've got to equip them.
		It's going to be a long time for them to build that force up, and it's not a ready-to-go force.
		And they're going to continue to go badly, which is why the risk of them escalating the nuclear weapons use Or some other retaliation against us like a bio-attack is very real now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, insert name here says YouTube is giving zero TP notifications now.
		I have to deliberately search for you.
		Also, shameless plug for my friend who released a poetry book, Our Little Black Book by Ren Ivy for some distraction.
		And almostLastJedi says YouTube have reached a new low.
		As well as not getting notifications, I got unsubscribed today.
		Wonder why I couldn't find the livestream.
		And, uh, today was one of those days where Ian reminded me at the last minute, the thumbnail doesn't go up.
		When we launch the livestream, the thumbnail is a grey block.
		And I have to immediately then re-upload the thumbnail.
		Otherwise, people scrolling through don't see it, and they wonder why it is they're not seeing it.
		It's because YouTube is playing dirty games.
		So, be the notification you want to see in the world.
		Every Monday through Friday, 8pm we are live at youtube.com slash timcast IRL slash live.
		You can just take that and you can post it and share it wherever or use the actual direct URL at the top of the video and share it.
		You can also listen on iTunes and Spotify and all the other podcast platforms too because we do post it there at night as well.
		Let's read some more super chats.
		Let's see what you got guys.
		Alright, let's see.
		We'll grab a good one.
		I'm trying to find a good question.
		AJ Cook says, your guest is a nice guy, I'm sure, but his opinions on Russia are cringe CIA MI6 propaganda.
		Ask Russians with attitude to recommend a guest who can comment intelligently on their side of the story, like armchair warlord.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would just say, uh, it's who you trust.
		It sounds like you trust the government.
		You trust the United States and the media reporting here.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		No, I trust them in terms of biological weapons programs.
		I don't think we're developing biological weapons.
		Let me put it in a way that people who don't trust government might understand better.
		Like, for example, the preparedness committee, a lot of people say, oh, FEMA's going to do concentration camps against Americans.
		And that's been out there a lot, and it's absolute nonsense.
		The people who work for FEMA are largely good people.
		And if there was some massive conspiracy of FEMA concentration camps, if there was some program where the U.S.
		is secretly developing biological weapons, a lot of people would have to be involved in doing that, and the secret would eventually get out.
		If we had a biological weapons program, you would know about it.
		It would be leaked.
		You don't have a lot of faith in the confidence of people in government, then why would you think that they can carry out some vast conspiracy, some brilliant conspiracy, and keep it secret?
		They're not that capable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They can't do it.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		So whether you trust them or not, the truth is, you know, there is no FEMA concentration camp conspiracy, like some people think.
		There is no biological weapons program that the United States has.
		If there was, it would leak.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But when it comes to the war in Ukraine, why assume that the reporting coming out is good?
		If we think the U.S.
		government isn't capable of these kind of organizational feats, then why would I assume that there's any effective intelligence or armaments happening or honest reporting as it pertains to Ukraine?
		I mean, I'll put it this way.
		There's no way Ukraine wins this war if NATO wasn't backing them.
		They would have been steamrolled in two seconds.
		The U.S.
		is clearly involved.
		So why should I believe...
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, we are involved in the war.
		We are supporting Ukraine.
		There's no doubt.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, yeah, right.
		So why should I assume that the U.S. doesn't have the capabilities of this level of organization
		when arguably if they're winning in Ukraine, they're actively doing it?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I don't follow that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If the argument is that the U.S.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		can't operate, the government doesn't have the capability to operate, say, camps that they would use to bring people to in the event of some kind of crisis or catastrophe, then, I mean, you're assuming the government is incapable of doing something.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying there is no FEMA plan in a kind of collapsed situation to round up Americans and put them in concentration camps.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		There is no plan that, you know, we're going to invite in United Nations troops to take over the country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, sure, sure, sure.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		You hear nonsense like this all the time.
		And, you know, even if it's legitimate, even if you believe it might be true, you probably don't trust government officials, so you shouldn't trust that there is a capability for them to, one, organize something like this, and then, two, to carry it out and to keep it secret.
		So don't worry about ridiculous sounding government conspiracy theories.
		They're not true.
		They're probably not true.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I just had a conniption.
		I respectfully, absolutely, 100% disagree.
		They lied about the Vietnam War, the Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan.
		They lied about so much, why would they not be lying now?
		And I think it's best to be skeptical of government and to quote, and to just quote Ronald Reagan here, I think the most terrifying words on the planet are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I've been criticizing government throughout your program, you know, the avian flu research that was, not so much that it was done, the fact that they published it.
		That's what bothered me the most about it, was publishing the how do you make avian flu mammal-to-mammal ferrets and their research, but human-to-human transmission.
		I'm not a huge fan of government, but the conspiracy theories of, hey, we've got FEMA concentration camps are in the war, our United Nation troops are going to be invited in to take over the country, or that we're developing biological weapons, it's not... Was it a conspiracy?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Was it a conspiracy when the United States interned Japanese people in camps?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		No, they absolutely did.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But that happened before.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		So why would you say it's impossible to happen when it happened before?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying there is no FEMA program to set up concentration camps against Americans or to bring in United Nations troops.
		I run into people who believe that and it's just nonsense.
		What you ought to believe in is real threats like Russia using nuclear weapons, like a biological agent, like human-to-human Transmissibility.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Like governments lying us into a war.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Without inventing false government conspiracies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you're doing two things I disagree with.
		The first is bringing the UN into it is sort of like a straw man.
		Obviously that's ridiculous.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I hear that fairly often.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For sure, for sure.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I mean there's posters you can find in Nebraska and Texas about, you know, UN coming in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But let's steel man it.
		Luke is right.
		The U.S.
		has interned people before.
		They have the capability to do so.
		They have the facilities to do so.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have 1.5 million Americans locked up right now, as I mentioned.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the issue is... They created bioweapons.
		So you've done two... You're doing... The two things I disagree with, one is incorporating the U.N.
		into it, but the other is... Now I'm losing my train of thought on this one.
		I've lost it.
		Luke, what's going on?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You can't just believe the government blindly because the government has been... Oh, I don't believe them blindly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got it.
		I got it.
		I got it back.
		The idea that they have a plan for it is another mistake.
		They have the capability to do it.
		They have the facilities to do it.
		If something bad happened, George W. Bush already signed National Security Presidential Directive 51, meaning they have the intention to do it, if they so wanted.
		So it's all there.
		I mean, you can say the UN thing is a conspiracy, and I'll just say, yeah, I don't know anything about that.
		That seems ridiculous.
		Why would the UN troops come in here?
		They don't need it.
		But to say that the US doesn't have a plan for it, perhaps, but they've expressed intent, if need be, the facilities and the individuals, if they need be.
		The conspiracy is always the intent.
		I don't know that intent exists.
		I know the capability does.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		So the president's changed quite a few times since George Bush.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying that somehow during all these presidential No, no, no, hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		National Security Presidential Directive 51 is an executive order that does exist and was updated by Barack Obama.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In the event of a catastrophic loss of life or damage to the US as the result of an incident that occurs anywhere on the planet, The president has the authority to essentially introduce a new government to supersede the current one, a new constitutional government, and create a national continuity coordinator who would oversee the new mono-government that exists.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, they do have that.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		They do have continuity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		Now, the point is, this executive order exists.
		The president, this was in 2007, I believe, asserted the authority to basically overwrite existing law due to a major emergency and the need for continuity of government.
		It's been challenged because people say, well, it's never been challenged.
		The challenge to it is that it's never actually faced Supreme Court scrutiny, so they don't think it would fly.
		However, in the event of a catastrophic event affecting the government, who's going to bring it to the Supreme Court?
		The point is, Barack Obama updated it.
		It is a component of the federal government and the executive branch, although many people do challenge its authority.
		There are internment facilities.
		I mean, you've got prisons, you've got them all over the place.
		And you've got other large open, you know, I don't know what these are for, but like storage facilities, warehouses, etc.
		And the U.S.
		government has interned people before.
		I'm not saying there's a conspiracy to do it.
		I'm not saying there's a plan to do it.
		My issue is there doesn't need to be.
		There is the intention for the government to wipe out people's laws, you know, wipe out the laws, enforce a new law at their own discretion to remove undesirables.
		There is the capability to do it, and there are the facilities to do it.
		So if people are concerned it may happen, look, If somebody, you know, is stacking up dynamite in front of a building and they say, don't worry, we have no intention of blowing it up and they're lining the building with it and they're like, I've got a real concern, you might do that.
		They can be like, nobody here wants to do that.
		There's no plan to do that.
		We have done it before, but we're not doing it now.
		Don't be surprised when people freak out and think you're going to do it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, have you ever heard of the Testige experiments?
		When the U.S.
		government, you know, knowingly hurt people?
		They were doing scientific biological experiments on unsuspecting human beings.
		The CIA did that with MKUltra.
		They hurt and punished and poisoned people.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		The U.S.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		government even spread radioactive waste inside of the United States.
		There's historical documented cases of the government doing large biological testing, especially even with radiation, on unsuspecting American public.
		So why would you ever believe that that is not ever possible ever again?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		That's not what I said.
		I didn't say it's not ever possible again.
		I said in answer to your question, no.
		The U.S.
		does not have biological weapons programs now, and I don't believe we do have biological weapons programs now.
		If we did, it would be illegal, and it would probably be leaked, because you wouldn't be able to keep it secret.
unidentified		So I'm not worried about a legal... The government never does anything illegal?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So let me ask.
		So the biological research facilities in Ukraine that the U.S.
		is desperate to defend, They're doing gain-of-function research there.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		They were.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		They admitted that, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they're making viruses more dangerous.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the specifics of what they were doing there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what gain-of-function means.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		You can make them more dangerous because you've got to develop defenses to them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can the pathogens they were experimenting on be used as weapons?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they could.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's semantics to argue there's no biological weapons program.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And optimistic thinking.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		That's like saying the United States could use nuclear weapons to destroy their own states and cities.
		Yeah, theoretically you could.
		It's not realistic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, that's not.
		I'm saying it would be like the U.S.
		is building nuclear bombs and saying, but they're not weapons, they're for mining.
		And it's like, OK, well, like, can the bomb be dropped on a city?
		Sure.
		But it's not a weapon.
		It's like, look, you can make a padlock into a weapon.
		So it's a semantic argument.
		I'll absolutely concede, officially on paper, there's no biological weapons being made.
		But if they're making viruses more dangerous, those can easily be weaponized.
		And it's just a semantic argument.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And have you ever heard of Agent Orange?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Very much so.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		I wrote the official Air Force history of the disposal of Agent Orange.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, that should tell you that the government is capable of poisoning and using bioweapons on large populations of people!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's read a couple more Super Chats.
		We got LoneWolf36S.
		He says, Ethereum 2.0 just came out.
		It's already controlled.
		It's now impossible to mine it.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not controlled.
		It's a new proof-of-stake method.
		They're not doing the mining where they just changed it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can still mine Ethereum 1.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Pioneer Smokehouse's channel says AWS controls the nodes now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They moved electric use from miners to AWS, and they can stop at any time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's very concerning.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I read that, and I didn't know if it was true or not.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who to confirm it with.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's so new, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, it's gonna be Amazon, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The centralization of the ownership of the direction of your money, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you love Bezos, he's gonna sell you everything you need.
		They're already doing Amazon.
		Doesn't Amazon own Whole Foods?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If your Ethereum's already in the Amazon account, you'll get a discount on Amazon products.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Host on our node!
unidentified		Amazon literally has stores.
unidentified		They had a new store open up in North Hollywood.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that the one where you can walk in without a clerk or whatever, a cashier?
unidentified		I don't know for sure.
		I didn't really go in there.
		I'm not the target audience, you know?
		But I assume so.
		I assume if it's Amazon and they were talking about it, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I went to that one in Seattle and we did a little stunt where we proved it's really easy to just take whatever you want without paying for it.
		And it was really simple.
		I don't know if I can actually say exactly what we did.
		I may have already said it, but I said because I didn't want people to go do it.
		It's really, really simple to do.
		But I was able to walk out and only pay for one thing out of like 10.
		And I should say, in my account, we did pay for everything.
		We didn't steal anything.
		We just figured out a loophole and then made sure everything was paid up.
		But we proved that you could easily do this.
		I called the company, and when I explained what I did, they went, oh, we don't care.
		And the gist of it was that the amount of money they save by not having employees covers any potential loss from glitches in the system.
		That'll be your future.
		There will be just buildings.
		You walk in and grab stuff, and then it just deducts the crypto from your account.
		And if it's an error, nobody cares.
		Congratulations.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You know, you jaywalk.
		You get fined.
		Money gets automatically taken out of your account.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Commit wrong-think.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Your child can't go to school anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You say a naughty word.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		PayPal takes a bunch of money from your financial account.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You can't get a plane ticket or train ticket anymore.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Your internet service is cut down.
unidentified		Right.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Already happening in China.
unidentified		Right, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friends, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button and subscribe to this channel.
		Apparently some people have been unsubscribed.
		And become a member over at TimCast.com.
		We're gonna have a members-only show coming up for you at about 11 p.m.
		You don't want to miss it.
		We've got a lot more fun stuff to talk about, a lot of creepy stuff to talk about, because you know how it gets a little spicy on the members-only show.
		So again, smash the like button.
		You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
		You can follow me at TimCast.
		Drew, do you want to shout anything out?
drew miller ▲ ● ▼		No, just if you're interested in Fortuit Ranch working for us, franchising or joining, it's www.fortuitranch.com.
		Right on.
		Thanks for having me on the show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for coming, man.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I still have a jillion things I want to talk about, and I usually talk about them on lukeuncensored.com.
		We're also, of course, implementing alternatives to PayPal.
		We got another second alternative that we're going to be implementing very soon.
		Today, I made a video where I was screaming on the top of my lungs I couldn't control myself.
		I couldn't hold it back.
		To watch that video, check it out on LukeUncensored.com.
		Thank you so much for having me.
		Great discussion.
		Thank you for the opinions.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, big time, man.
		Thanks.
		Thanks for clarifying that depleted uranium isn't considered tactical nuclear weaponry.
		Also, keep in mind, deflationary currency is the future of a sustainable currency where the longer it sits there, the more it dissipates.
		So you want to keep it moving.
		Then we can make more of it when new people are born.
		So it encourages growth of humans.
		Of course, it's not just about the number of humans.
		It's about the value of the humans.
		Are you calculating human body heat to see how much crypto is produced?
		Let's find out and let's do it together.
		I love you.
		See you later.
unidentified		All right, and you guys can follow me on Instagram at Surge.com spelled out.
		I don't have anything on Twitter or anything.
		I might if Elon goes through with the buy.
		We'll see.
		But as of now, that's everything.
		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's make a crypto where as soon as you're born, you get like a hundred tokens.
		And then like everybody gets a hundred tokens.
		And then when you're born, you get one and then you can trade and stuff with it.
		But like, there you go.
		You're alive.
		Here's some money.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it might be something like that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, for every, like, joule of heat your body produces, you get a crypto token added to your account or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you gotta be in the pod and eating the bugs.
		Alright, everybody, we'll see you all over at TimCast.com.
		Thanks for hanging out.

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