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Sept. 14, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Mike Lindell Targeted Over IDENTITY THEFT As DOJ Targets Trump Allies w/Devin Nunes
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tim pool
you So, the, uh, Michael and Del.
The Mike Lindell.
No, the FBI raid on Mike Lindell.
We've got more information.
Apparently they're targeting him over damage to a protected computer and identity theft.
Sounds a lot like BS, but of course, things have been getting pretty crazy with the FBI at the Washington Bureau.
They've been going after Trump.
Now it's just getting worse.
40 subpoenas sent to Trump allies and then we get the Mike Lindell thing.
And so we're going to have to talk about that and get into great detail about what's happening at the highest levels of politics in this country.
And we have another funny story that we talked about the other day having to do with Trump and a secret meeting.
And who was at that secret meeting on the golf course with Null Golf Clubs?
And we can now formally debunk all of the insane lies that they pushed about this story.
So that's going to be fun.
And then the big news is that The railway, the rail workers are set to strike on Friday unless a deal gets approved at the last minute.
But one of the unions, a couple of, I think maybe the biggest, one of the biggest, has rejected the deal that Biden tried brokering.
If this strike happens, it is going to impact every level.
I mean, long-term trains for transport Amtrak is getting, they're shutting those down.
We're going to see $2 billion in economic damage per day.
And this means your goods, Stuff you might find at the store won't be there, or at least it'll be delayed.
Like, you know, nothing will happen for a few weeks, but then eventually you'll stop seeing the things you like and the prices are going to start going up.
So this is big.
And it is an apocalyptic scenario for Democrats right before the midterms, because even if it's not Joe Biden's fault, and the Democrats are trying to do a lot to stop this strike from happening, voters are just going to say, the economy's bad, I'm going to vote for the other guy.
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Because joining us today, we have a couple really awesome guests.
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And joining us today, Devin Nunes.
devin nunes
Great to be with you, Tim.
tim pool
Who are you, Devin Nunes?
devin nunes
I am a confidential human informant for the FBI and also Moonlight as CEO of True Social.
tim pool
Oh, is that first one true?
devin nunes
We never know.
There's lots of conspiracy theories going on right now, so I might as well start a new one.
tim pool
I heard you can teleport.
That's one thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
devin nunes
We'll talk about that later, but yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, he can.
derek harvey
That's right.
tim pool
I mean, the only way you can't teleport, the only way that would be true is if the news was wrong.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
And they're never wrong, so clearly you can teleport.
We also have, returning to the show, Derek Harvey.
derek harvey
Good to be here.
tim pool
And who are you, sir?
derek harvey
Derek Harvey, retired colonel, candidate for Washington County Commissioner, and I used to work for Devin Nunes as his lead investigator.
devin nunes
And he can also teleport.
tim pool
Yes, absolutely.
Because there's multiple stories about you guys teleporting.
I'm impressed.
You guys gotta tell me how to do that.
devin nunes
We also have... We even got pictures on our phones of us being in two places at the same time.
tim pool
Well, either that or the media's wrong!
We also got Luke Rudkowski.
unidentified
FBI informant, you say?
luke rudkowski
Let me get away from you there a little bit.
My name's Luke Hradowski of WeAreChange.org.
Good to be back today.
I'm wearing a new representation of Uncle Sam, but instead of Uncle Sam, it is an IRS agent saying we want your cut of our, we want our cut of your $601 Venmo transaction.
If you like the shirt, you could get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
Because you do, I'm here.
Thank you so much for having me.
lydia smith
That sure is awesome.
I was telling Luke that I kind of need one of those later on.
So I'm excited to get into the news today.
Thrilled to have Devin and Daryl.
Let's get going.
tim pool
So the first story we have is an update on what's happening with Mike Lindell.
The story was crazy.
It broke last night.
You know, we're sitting here trying to do this show.
I'm trying to talk about Ariel because the new movie, she's black and there's a big controversy.
And then all of a sudden Luke is like breaking news.
We got to check it out.
Mike Lindell had his phone seized by the FBI.
So we have some updates.
Post-Millennial reports, the search warrant shows Mike Lindell phone seized in identity theft, damage of protected computer investigation.
The search warrant for the phone seizure reveals that it was taken over identity theft and damage.
Okay, they're just repeating themselves.
They say, we know this.
Documents posted by Lindell reveal the reported reasoning.
With a page titled, items to be seized, reading that the physical cellular telephone assigned number redacted.
Lindell cell phone and all records and information on the Lindell cell phone that constitutes fruits evidence or instrument instrumentalities of identity theft as well as intentional damage to a protected computer and or a conspiracy to commit identity theft and or to cause intentional damage to a protected computer.
That's just crazy.
I was talking to a guy earlier today, regular guy, you know, just a regular guy.
And he said, how are they getting away with this?
How did they go after what 40 subpoenas targeting Trump allies?
And I just want to add to that.
You'd think, I mean, we're going on what year seven of hoaxes targeting Trump and his allies.
How does this keep happening?
Why hasn't it stopped?
It seems to be getting worse, but we're lucky enough to have you, Devin, and Derek, seemingly the experts on this, on what's going on.
So you tell me, man.
How do they keep doing this?
How are they getting away with it?
devin nunes
You know what's interesting about Lindell especially is that he's a brilliant guy.
I don't know if he's ever been on your show before, but he's absolutely brilliant.
He's a brilliant marketer.
And he's the frickin' MyPillowGuy.
I mean, he's funny.
Everybody knows who he is because he's been on TV for so long.
But I will tell you that this actually really happened, so I don't want people thinking that I really am an FBI informant.
I was talking to him just in the last, I don't know, about a week ago.
And I was laughing because I was actually just trying to get some pointers on True Social because we're beginning advertising.
And I asked him, you know, because he always wants to talk about election issues, which is fine.
I mean, he's very passionate about it.
And we were talking about the January 6th Commission and, you know, how, you know, I had said, look, what I've said from the very beginning of that is, is that, you know, writing's not okay, breaking in the Capitol's not okay, but where's the 14,000 hours of videotape?
And he tells me, you know, that I've never gotten, this is what Mike Liddell told me just a week ago, and I'm paraphrasing, but I've never been contacted by anyone.
For any of this, you know, for all the stuff that he said out there.
So, just he shouldn't have went to that Hardee's I guess.
Hardee's is a bad place to go for that.
luke rudkowski
Well, Tim, trying to answer your question here, the first thing I thought about was in 2017 on MSNBC, Chuck Schumer went on national television and said that the intelligence agencies have, quote, six waves from Sunday to get back at you.
And he was hinting at the intelligence agencies doing a revenge plot against Donald Trump.
Do you think there's some merit to this, especially from your information from the inside that there that this is the intelligence agencies hitting back against Trump with the battles that were happening within the White House?
devin nunes
Well, they were already weaponized before that.
So when Schumer says that, remember, so he probably already knows because it was The Democratic Party Clinton campaign that paid for this whole operation that probably started in 2015.
So Schumer probably already knows when he makes that very infamous statement that, you know, of course, is seen by 30, 40% of the country, but the rest of the country doesn't know it exists.
derek harvey
Also, I would just, what are the things that the FBI has chosen not to do?
I mean, they're looking at identity theft and putting resources into that when they didn't touch the Hunter Biden laptop.
They didn't look at the thousands of assaults on federal officers in Portland and other places during 2020.
They pulled back from investigating Chinese financial crimes and ripping off billions of dollars from American individual investors.
I mean, one could go on.
luke rudkowski
The Maxwell client list?
I could go on, too.
unidentified
Sorry.
luke rudkowski
I just needed to interrupt you.
unidentified
Sorry.
luke rudkowski
Go ahead.
devin nunes
Well, I'm only here because I know that there's one person at this table that's been to Epstein Island.
derek harvey
That's correct.
unidentified
I have to explain myself very carefully.
I didn't go as... Again, I'm tired of you explaining it.
tim pool
You didn't think about it, did you?
So I love introducing Luke to people, and I'm like, he's been to Epstein Island!
unidentified
And then everyone just gives him this look like...
derek harvey
What was it like?
What was it like?
Creepy.
luke rudkowski
Extremely creepy.
I was sweating, running around, trying to videotape as much as I could.
Very bad juju.
Very bad energy.
tim pool
Luke, just to clarify, stormed the island after the fact to film and document what was there.
He was not an invited guest.
derek harvey
An amphibious assault.
luke rudkowski
Ran out of there.
Got chased out.
tim pool
But you gotta see the look on people's faces when I'm like, oh, Luke's been to Epstein Island.
luke rudkowski
The first time you caught me, I was like, yeah, whatever.
And then people started looking at me.
unidentified
Anyway.
derek harvey
So you're a Democrat.
All the Democrats visited there?
luke rudkowski
Not always.
I mean, if you look at a lot of the people, it's bipartisan when it comes to the The larger trafficking and extortion operation that was pretty much run by Epstein.
A lot of Republicans, a lot of Democrats, I mean, a lot of people intricately involved in our current political system.
Even Trump appointees that had to resign because of them giving the sweetheart deal to, of course, Epstein and letting him get away for horrible, horrible crimes.
And the FBI also, most notably, was interviewing victims of his all the way in the 90s.
And the FBI chose to ignore the victims, not help the victims that were coming forward as police officers, federal agents, prosecutors were all looking away and essentially aiding and abetting into what was hurting children in unspeakable ways that we can't even describe here on this broadcast.
derek harvey
So we have a pattern here.
Absolutely.
If you look at the gymnastic investigation that went nowhere too.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And the client list still wasn't released and Ghislaine Maxwell went down for a crime where she had no clients.
You know, which is absolutely mind-boggling.
tim pool
She was just like trafficking kids into like a boat and then kicking out into water and just walking away.
unidentified
Black hole, yeah.
luke rudkowski
But we could talk about intelligence agency corruption all day.
I think it's interesting to see what's happening from the inside, especially from the intelligence committees.
That's why, you know, I asked you that question.
How this is playing out?
What's happening here?
What do you think is the motive here?
Is it legitimately investigating a crime?
Or do you think this is something bigger, something more of a conspiracy?
devin nunes
Yeah, I don't know how we can get into this right now.
Maybe talk about it later, too.
We thought, at least when we unraveled the Russia hoax at the very beginning, so we're talking 2017 and 18, we thought at that point that we had been able to effectively kind of solder the wound, stop the bleeding, you know, the molar nonsense with His top lawyer, Andrew Wiseman.
We thought, okay, we stopped all that.
Barr came in.
Durham came in.
And I'm sure we'll get to the Durham investigation at some point, too.
But we thought at least the lovebirds were gone, Strzok, Page, all of that.
And Ray was at least saying the right things, that there'll be some healing period.
We're trying to do everything right.
He always said the right things.
But clearly what has happened is that there has been a A Gestapo-like get-Trump crew that's been created within the National Security Division of the Department of Justice and the FBI.
And look, we kind of know that now because if you were involved in the Russia hoax, the pre-planning and the implementation in 2015 and 2016, you now got a promotion and you're at the top levels of the Department of Justice right now.
So that really happened.
And then, you know, this whole T-Boo guy that came out that was escorted out a couple weeks ago, FBI guy, you know, what they're doing is they're running it with a national security division.
And this is important for the audience to know.
There's a division in there called counterintelligence.
And the way the rules and the regs work is within counterintelligence, they're able to wall everything, everybody off within the FBI, DHA said, Oh, counterintelligence investigation can't talk about, you know, and that's how they effectively hid a lot of this from us, which we'll probably get into this later.
But that's why and why I made the joke at the outset.
This is why they brought Danchenko, who was the fake, phony Russian source for the dossier.
It's why the FBI brought him in, was to hide him from Congress, hide him from our investigation.
tim pool
You know what your biggest challenge is?
There is so much to understand, to unravel everything that's happening.
That the average person can't absorb it in a few minutes.
devin nunes
Right.
That's why I came on your show, because it's like two hours plus.
tim pool
Two hours, so we'll just get a list of names, we'll go through it, we'll give everyone's bio.
devin nunes
Have you ever seen those crazy maps, like the charts?
luke rudkowski
I was just going to say, let's get the bulletin board out there and the pins right now.
devin nunes
Epoch Times has like a full-blown poster of this thing with all the players.
unidentified
Wow!
tim pool
The crime web with the red yarn or whatever?
devin nunes
Yeah, it's actually quite good.
luke rudkowski
And it's important to understand, it's not just the FBI here, as you mentioned, but the FBI also influencing the corporate media and large institutions like Wikipedia and the Washington Post that were playing defense for the intelligence agencies regurgitating everything they were saying, criticizing, attacking you for calling out the clear lies, clearing out... and then also journalists.
I was listed on a Washington Post uh story as fake russian news because i didn't believe i wanted to see evidence of this russian collusion i said okay if you think that there was russian collusion let's let's present us with some evidence but we can't believe the intelligence agencies since of course they lie routinely to the american people they lied about wmds they lied about so many different things that i could mention here iran contra we could actually keep going on and on and on
And I was like, there's no reason to believe these guys.
Because of that, I was put on the list, I was ostracized, and I was depersoned from Wikipedia for even asking questions.
devin nunes
Well, now what they've become very good at is they just control the whole process.
So, you know, not too far away from here, in, you know, in the Washington, D.C.
Beltway, it's become bigger and bigger and bigger.
And Colonel Harvey can tell you that that's been probably the biggest downfall.
We created this new superstructure after 9-11.
We brought a lot more bureaucracy and a lot more bureaucrats and we're so much less focused on actually finding and taking care of hard targets that are definitely a danger to the United States.
And everything can now be manipulated.
Because remember the quick answer for everything now is?
We're going to have a DNI do a report.
Well, of course, if it's a report that supports the Democrats or the left, it always comes out exactly the way that they want it to come out.
And of course, if it's a report that actually goes after the Democrats for their, you know, whatever it may be, like for the Rush Oaks, for example, it took the inspector general two years to come out with this.
Then it took Durham to be appointed.
And now Durham's had two indictments and now we're still waiting.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, there was a New York Times article about that today saying that the Durham report is not going to lead to anything substantial.
Do you think the New York Times perspective on it is correct, or would you question that new article that just came out?
I don't know if you're aware of the article.
devin nunes
Well, I don't read fake news, and so I actually don't even push the websites, except if they attack me, then I'll evaluate it and see what it is.
But look, I've actually, and Colonel Harvey maybe has a different opinion than me, but I've actually been very supportive of the Durham investigation because it's the only investigation I've seen in my entire two decades that I spent in Washington with zero leaks.
And that gives me quite a bit of confidence and he's got to a lot of information that we didn't even get to.
derek harvey
One of the things, the New York Times gets its information from FBI sources.
The FBI uses the New York Times, Washington Post, they put a story out there, and then they use that story in the New York Times to start an investigation.
tim pool
It's amazing.
derek harvey
Yep, absolutely.
And it goes like that.
And there's that relationship.
devin nunes
You guys talk about it all the time on the show.
You guys talk about narrative building.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah.
devin nunes
That's all it is.
tim pool
It's narrative building.
I'm interested to see what happens with the Durham investigation.
But I got to be honest, it's taken so long.
We haven't seen a whole lot that I don't know.
I don't have a lot of faith, but I wonder if maybe the reason we're seeing them go so heavily now after Trump allies, these 40 subpoenas, could it be because they're worried they're running out of time?
devin nunes
Well, look, if you want to, let's talk about the Mar-a-Lago raid, because, you know, all roads, you can, you know, keep it simple.
All roads basically lead back to Russiagate.
I mean, pretty much all roads lead to Russiagate, right?
Even the impeachment hoax on Ukraine was still Russiagate, same players.
So, you've had Kash Patel on the show before.
So, the one thing that we learned throughout our investigation is that the FBI, DOJ, they love to use fake news to go into their affidavits, into their warrants.
Well, the first thing I noticed when I read that affidavit, and the Inspector General has said you shouldn't do it, and then when they released the warrant and the affidavit, There was two stories, essentially.
The only thing unredacted were two news stories.
Now, I've never seen FBI, DOJ, in all my time, ever use a Breitbart story.
Because they consider Breitbart to be fake news.
But for the first time in my life, they used Breitbart.
And in it was Kash Patel.
And Kash Patel, they completely take what he says out of context.
What he says is that he's seen the intelligence reports relating to the Russia hoax that were declassified and we've never seen.
They basically misconstrued that.
We don't see everything below it, but what Cash is clearly talking about there is he's talking about the documents that I've seen, Derek's seen, we've all seen.
We didn't see them at Mar-a-Lago, we saw them when we were in Congress, or at the White House.
We saw all those documents.
They're supposed to be declassified.
They're using that out of context.
They're using it just to play these games.
And the other story, of course, was a local news agency that saw some white vans pull into Montelago.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Moving boxes or something.
devin nunes
Yes.
derek harvey
Back to Durham real quick, Tim.
You know, I worry that Durham is going after people like Deschenko and Clinesmith for false document issues, but he's not going to go after the root of the problem, which is in the FBI itself.
devin nunes
The Trump sleeper cell.
Or maybe not.
derek harvey
It's the National Security Division.
Yeah.
And their enablers over at the DOJ.
tim pool
How worried should we be?
I mean, are we going to see Republicans win in November and then maybe do something about this?
Or are they not going to be able to do anything until the executive branch changes?
devin nunes
Look, I think for the first time that I've seen, people are really pissed off out there.
I mean, just, you know, I travel across the country and you see it.
I mean, people are really, really concerned and they should be.
I mean, I would have never, I can't say that it, that it shocked me that they rated Mar-a-Lago.
But man, this is really Banana Republic time.
tim pool
I want to show you guys this story from the Daily News, because it's kind of silly, but it's also kind of freaky.
Hardee's seizes on Mike Lindell's FBI drama to sell pillowy biscuits.
No joke.
The fast food chain Hardee's seized on being included in the headlines about alleged confiscation of MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell's cell phone, with an ad promoting something the bombastic businessman might enjoy.
Now that you know we exist, you should really try our pillowy biscuits.
Lindell, a spirited conspiracy theorist who has worked tirelessly, blah blah blah.
The point here is, we're at the point where fast food chains are making memes of the collapse of our country to sell fast food.
luke rudkowski
Those biscuits are a little tasteless, in my opinion.
But I make jokes, references to gulags, just kind of being sensationalistic and hyperbolic.
Am I that far away?
I mean, where do you see the road ending with this?
Because we see the groundwork being laid down by Hillary Clinton, by Joe Biden, by Kamala Harris, by Congressman Tim Ryan today, saying very hyperbolic statements against, you know, the MAGA Republicans.
Where does this end?
Because I think they just started, and I think they're just laying down the groundwork for something very serious that could be very dangerous for everyone.
derek harvey
The White House spokesperson said that if you disagree with them, you're an extremist.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
derek harvey
Okay.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
derek harvey
And they are trying to criminalize all political disagreement.
devin nunes
Look, I'm a happy warrior, and so I don't want us to all go out and jump out of the building here.
I just think that this is, but it is very, very serious, without question.
We are at a time where we've never been in this country, and I think if people don't take it seriously, which I think they are across the country, but I can guarantee you the beltway Doesn't understand what's going on.
They don't understand the anger when you get out to this.
I mean, look, you're not very far outside of the swamp.
And you can tell, you know, people, I was at an event earlier tonight.
I mean, people are scared.
People are pissed.
And that's what's happening.
So you have essentially a split in this country.
It's not so much red states, blue states.
It's city-states versus the rest of America.
So it just depends.
Like here in Maryland, you know, it's a blue state largely because Baltimore, right?
And the suburbs of Washington, D.C.
Everywhere else, red and getting redder.
And the same thing is true in my part of California, where I'm from.
You know, I'm halfway between L.A.
and San Francisco.
So look, I want to be positive.
I want to believe in the constitution.
I want to, but you know, clearly, you know, look, I left Congress, you know, not because I, you know, I needed a new job and Trump didn't need a new company, but it's pretty bad when I got to leave Congress solely because I believe that the communications platforms are so broken that we have no way to get our message out.
We can't even communicate with one another and we're in the middle of a propaganda war that's destroying this country where it's pushing city-states getting moving hard left and
Everybody else moving hard right and that heart in the end and when I say hard right meaning, you know conservative
Where they can't even communicate with one another and we're constantly dealing with with fake news and censorship
tim pool
I don't even think it's moving hard, right?
I mean, my politics are basically in the same spot they've always been, except on Second Amendment.
I think for a lot of people, especially people in my situation, it's that the left has just continually gone further and further left.
Elon Musk posted that meme, you saw it, I'd imagine, where, do you see this one?
It's like left and right, and then years later, left and move, but he's staying in the same spot and it's just moving further and further left.
The left likes to use that and say, see, this proves it.
If you still believe the same things you did 10 years ago, you are conservative.
You're traditionalist.
You're not progressive.
That's their argument.
So they're actually saying, yeah, we agree with that.
You are now on the right.
It has changed.
But I gotta tell you, man, what's really scary is...
I know people that I used to consider friends.
And they've gone insane.
They've actually gone insane.
The things they believe.
They believe every hoax from the media.
They believe Justice Millette.
Oops, that was a hoax.
They believe the Russiagate stuff.
They believe Hands Up Don't Shoot.
They believe the Ahmaud Arbery story.
They believe the Trayvon Martin stuff.
They believed all of that.
And even after all of that, the Covington Catholic kids, even after all of that is debunked and the media is talking, they still believe it.
We know those stories are fake.
They still believe the lies every day.
And they're full of anger is the crazy thing.
The messages I see on Facebook, you know, there's a few people I've known my whole life who still, they're very liberal, they're very anti-Trump, but they still talk to me and they still listen to me and they go, oh, I didn't know that, good friends.
But I know some people that, They've gone nuts and I'm wondering if you guys have experienced the same thing like people who have become totally just I don't even want to say Trump derangement.
It's like It's it's right-wing derangement, but it's not even that it's if you're outside of the cult They just believe whatever they're told by the media.
devin nunes
Yeah, what maybe a good example for you is this I So when I went, when I was elected to Congress 2002, Bernie Sanders was in the House of Representatives.
A lot of people forgot that, that he was actually a member of the House for a very long time.
And I remember a lot of the first votes, I'd look up on the screen, you know, there's always a lot of votes and, you know, a lot of them are a lot of bills that get through.
They don't always become law, but they're, you know, sometimes they're just messaging bills.
But you would have something like, you know, baseball and apple pie, some feel good thing.
And you'd look up on the screen and there'd be like 20 no votes.
Okay.
And who are those people?
And it would be Bernie Sanders and this hard left wing caucus.
And it was constantly, they were like, you know, equivalent of backbenchers, like you would see in a parliamentary system where they just didn't have any friends.
Nobody really took him serious.
The Democrats laughed at them.
Right?
Because at that point, I had friends on the other side of the aisle, people that I would talk to, and they're like, oh, that's the crazy people, you know?
And now... They're in charge.
They're in charge.
And there's, I mean, there's not 20 that aren't, you know, full-fledged Marxists.
in one way or another, or at least they have to pretend that they are. And that's really what
this is. It's all about power. It's all about how do you get and keep and hold power. And that's
what I saw during my time in Washington. And I got to the point where, like when I knew we were in
trouble, and you know, I was one of the first guys to go to Parler. And I was one of the first guys
to go to Rumble, because I caught the fake news and the social media company shadowbanning me.
So I went to these new platforms, and I realized quickly, like, man, I grew followers like no tomorrow.
And then, of course, Parler got nuked by Big Tech, and the rest is history.
tim pool
How is that legal?
It was collusion.
It had to be some kind of, you know, there's got to be some kind of antitrust action or something to stop this kind of collusion in the market.
devin nunes
Yeah, but then they went to court, and I don't know where those cases are now.
You have to go, in many cases, they go to court in their home court.
So even the court, this has even reached the courts.
derek harvey
But where's the DOJ and the FBI investigating this and subpoenaing and going in and confiscating
cell phones and computers and laptops, okay, to build a case to look for the crime, to
look for the crime?
devin nunes
Well, look, we had, I mean, look, it ultimately ends up with Supreme Court justices, something
leaking unprecedented history, a decision pre-leaks out, right, that we still haven't
got to the bottom of.
And then they're out protesting and threatening Supreme Court justices' homes, which should be illegal.
luke rudkowski
When it comes from, you know, all the work you've done, who has more influence and power?
The intelligence agencies or big tech social media?
And do the intelligence agencies affect big tech social media?
devin nunes
So remember, the intelligence agencies aren't what is corrupt here.
It is the people at the high echelons of the Democratic Party apparatus that are running those intelligence agencies.
Right, so they control all the levers of power.
Does that make sense?
This is not, it's the Democrats.
And the Democrats are then sending messaging to the fake news, right?
Because all the fake news, they'll come out, boom, one day, narrative's out there, over and over again, they pound away.
And then... But then what happened with Trump?
luke rudkowski
It's tough to tell with it, and then they... But Trump was in office, and then the intelligence agencies were working against him.
unidentified
So, you know... Yeah, yeah, because he didn't control...
devin nunes
We have no power.
I mean, when Republicans get in, they can't control it anymore.
It's because what happens is they put their people in, they burrow them in.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
You're saying that these intelligence agencies, or at least parts of them, have gone rogue.
devin nunes
Well, no, they're just, yeah, they've been recruited.
tim pool
They don't answer to the commander-in-chief, then.
devin nunes
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
They've basically gone rogue.
derek harvey
They've recruited and they promoted and retained people that fit a political narrative that come from a certain type of school, that think a certain way, that reflect the woke agenda.
And in this last Congress, we saw the Democrats trying to push that type of woke recruitment and ideological perspective throughout more of the
intelligence agencies, mandating it.
devin nunes
And look, part of the reason why is it's hard to get, we talked about city-states a little bit ago,
it's hard to get Republicans to say, boy, I'd really like to go make a career and live in
Washington, D.C. and...
and burrow myself in, get connected, go to the Brookings Institute, write reports, go work for Congress, become a lobbyist, and always working.
I mean, Republicans, for the most part, don't want to do that, right?
They want to live in rural Maryland, right?
Or they want to live in, you know, rural America.
luke rudkowski
But just back to the question, who has more power and influence?
devin nunes
Well, I would say they're all one, I guess is the short answer.
luke rudkowski
Yikes!
devin nunes
They're all kind of one.
luke rudkowski
You're absolutely right.
You're absolutely right.
That's something I've been saying for years now, and a lot of people don't understand that there really isn't much of a difference when it comes to the decisions, the major ones that they make.
tim pool
Well, now we're getting evidence in these lawsuits that the federal government was instructing, directing big tech to censor people they didn't like.
And it's, it's been a cascade.
We've gotten a little bit here and now it's, now it's full swing.
Now we've got emails where Alex Berenson is, that's a, that's a journalist, right?
Where they're like, why hasn't he been banned yet?
Twitter.
And then Twitter's like, okay.
And then he gets banned.
Dr. Fauci.
luke rudkowski
Dr. Fauci parody accounts got hit because the White House demanded them to.
That is absolutely crazy.
devin nunes
I think you guys, I might've heard you guys talking about this a bit, but there's some, and this sounds ridiculous because, you know, you know, but I'm a, you know, guy that's been in political business and now, and now, uh, you know, running through social.
So, I'm not attuned to this stuff like you guys are, but I had never heard of this guy named Andrew Tate, okay?
I'd never heard of the guy before.
I mean, until like a few weeks ago.
And how is it possible?
It's very similar to the Parler thing, right?
Where overnight, Parler, boom, gets nuked by 30, 40 companies, right?
They get canceled by everyone.
Well, the same thing, I never heard of this Andrew Tate guy, but It's so odd that everybody canceled him.
Like he got nuked from every platform within, within what, 48 hours?
luke rudkowski
Yep.
tim pool
It's a collusion.
devin nunes
Yeah.
tim pool
They all live in the same area.
They all work in the same area.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
Emails, processors, website, everything got taken away from him.
tim pool
I want to talk to you guys about the fake news, because this is a really funny story and we have the ability to debunk it.
We have the story from the Times.co.uk.
Quote, just like a mob meeting, Trump's curious golf course can fab sets tongues wagging.
What was this?
Donald Trump having a secret meeting on a golf course with no golf clubs?
I wonder who was at the secret meeting?
Well, Newsweek reports something about rumors.
That those who joined Trump at the course, of course, were minority leader Kevin McCarthy of Fox News, Sean Hannity, and former congressman-turned-CEO of Truth Social, Devin Nunes.
Wait a minute.
Well, that's just rumors.
What about this?
Raw story.
Correction.
A previous version of the story alleged that Devin Nunes, Kevin McCarthy... Oh, okay.
All right.
Well, what about this Daily Dot?
You know, the Daily Dot just points out with a tweet, they don't actually state it themselves.
He has not been photographed golfing.
He's photographed with McCarthy, Nunes, Eric, trustee, Hannity, and others standing in the rain on a golf course with no clubs and no golf shoes.
Apparently that tweet was enough to get Raw Story to report that it was a fact and for Newsweek to run the rumor that these people were there.
This would have to mean Mr. Nunes, that you can, in fact, teleport.
devin nunes
Yes.
Actually, I'm there.
If you look in the tree, see that picture there?
lydia smith
In the tree?
tim pool
In the tree.
devin nunes
If you just look behind there.
tim pool
Hiding.
devin nunes
Yeah, you can't.
tim pool
Right there.
devin nunes
Yeah, yeah, that's me.
tim pool
That's it?
unidentified
Yeah.
That's it.
tim pool
See, they were close, but wrong.
So, this is funny, because this story went viral.
They claimed all these people were there.
You weren't there.
devin nunes
No.
In fact, it was, so I was actually commuting from California back east, and I was actually headed to Washington, D.C.
And I had a long delay in Dallas at the Dallas airport.
It got, you know, like everybody's getting now, but I ended up supposed to be there two hours.
I was there like six hours.
tim pool
So you're in Dallas.
How did you feel when you found out you were actually in D.C.
on a golf course?
devin nunes
Well, that's at night.
All of a sudden, my phone blows up with these stories.
And then I'm like, what in the hell is this?
And then I'm reading, and I don't even know what the hell's going on, and I'm trying to get, you know, I'm trying to get on, and then I get on the airplane, and then I fly, and then I don't get into Washington until, like, it was actually 2.30 when I landed, a.m.
And then the next morning, my phone is blowing up.
I'm like, what in the hell is this?
So yeah, I was clearly right there in those trees.
tim pool
Yeah.
devin nunes
So I was at in Dallas and there at the same time.
lydia smith
Magical.
tim pool
Well, people need to understand that the issue is if you jumped from Dallas to DC, then the paladins would track you down, tracing your jump scar.
And, you know, it'd be very dangerous for jumpers like Devin.
lydia smith
What's that from?
tim pool
It's from Jumper.
lydia smith
Okay.
tim pool
It's a movie about people who can teleport.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I wonder who got that reference.
Hayden Christiansen, I think, was in it.
He was the main guy, right?
devin nunes
I don't know that movie.
I was thinking of the dude from the X-Men that could teleport.
tim pool
Morph?
No, no, not Morph.
Nightcrawler.
Why did I think Morph?
Why did I say that?
devin nunes
He was a good character, by the way.
He only made it in a couple of the X-Men movies.
tim pool
Nightcrawler?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah.
His fight scene in X-Men 2 was awesome.
Fighting and teleporting at the same time.
So this is amazing.
devin nunes
But he disappeared.
He wasn't in the last movies.
tim pool
Is he not in it?
They rebooted it.
devin nunes
I only saw him like twice.
tim pool
I think he might be, you know, yeah, he's a good character.
devin nunes
Are they gonna bring him back?
tim pool
I have no idea.
devin nunes
Well, did you know Colonel Harvey is like a nightcrawler too?
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
Yeah, because you guys are able to, this was a bigger jump.
You went from, from where, from Italy or from where were you?
devin nunes
We were, we were meeting dirty Russians and Ukrainians in, where were we?
derek harvey
Vienna.
We were in Vienna.
tim pool
Oh wow.
So, okay.
devin nunes
Yes.
tim pool
So the media claimed you were in Vietnam.
devin nunes
The story's still up, by the way.
You can go to CNN.
The story's up.
I'm not making this up.
derek harvey
And the crazy left believes it.
devin nunes
Yep.
It's still up.
It hasn't been taken down.
lydia smith
There it is.
tim pool
Yep, that's the one.
Is this one the Giuliani associate willing to tell Congress Nunes met with ex-Ukrainian
official to get dirt on Biden?
devin nunes
Yep, that's the one.
tim pool
This is amazing.
It's amazing.
These journalists don't bother asking you.
They just run it.
I mean, I'm saying that more rhetorically.
I don't know if they literally called you over this, but I've dealt with stories.
What happens is one journalist will write a fake story.
They'll wait 15 minutes and then redact.
They'll stealth edit it.
But by then, all the other outlets will have already picked it up and take plausible deniability and say, there's no actual malice.
We were just repeating what NBC or what this other outlet said.
So we assumed it was true.
derek harvey
I would love to go to Vienna, Austria.
I've never been there.
devin nunes
Well, we know this story, actually.
So I sued CNN, and they skated, right?
And so the fake news will report that I lost this lawsuit.
But what they do is they use technicalities.
And so they got a judge.
to agree that even though this all occurred and impacted me in Washington, D.C., you know,
with intelligence agencies overseas, and how they got out of it is they said that no California law
applied and I didn't do my retraction notice in time. That's how they got out of this. That's
why that story is still alive. CNN's California base? No, no, no.
Unprecedented, never been done before.
tim pool
You are in California, that's why.
devin nunes
A judge ultimately got transferred, the case got, long story, but it got transferred to New York, and a New York judge, Democrat-appointed judge, said for the first time that I know of, that California law applies to me, even though I was a federal official chairman of the House Intelligence Committee in Washington, but that's how they get out of it.
tim pool
It's not just that, it's that the story is that Giuliani Associate is willing to tell Congress that you did this.
And they're like, well, that's a factual statement.
It doesn't mean it actually happened.
It means someone is willing to say it happened.
That is, you want to know how it works?
I love, I love this.
You'll get a story and it'll say, source close to Nancy Pelosi's office claims that, you know, she's planning to meet with Vladimir Putin or Donald Trump or something.
And then people go, oh wow, oh wow, a source close to her office, and the source close to her office is a homeless guy sleeping in the alley.
He is close to her office.
That was all true.
Can't sue him for fake news because it's literally the truth.
And the truth is an affirmative defense.
devin nunes
The funny thing about this guy is, though, this guy, these CNN and these reporters, so this is a guy named Parnas.
derek harvey
Parnas.
devin nunes
Parnas, who, you know, he had tried to like, so Colonel Harvey was my investigator, right?
So when people would have You know, when they would have things that they want us to look at.
And, you know, we would take all comers, right?
So Derek would have to meet everyone.
Well, this guy came to us and said, oh, he had all kinds of information.
Of course, he didn't have anything.
And so Derek met with him a couple times.
And then this guy, he was described by CNN as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
So they know he's a liar.
He's now in jail, by the way.
derek harvey
Yeah.
devin nunes
He's now in jail.
And this guy went on and the Democrats would repeat this garbage.
unidentified
Right.
devin nunes
About me, about Derek.
And they knew, so when you talk about teleporting, we were in, we were actually, it's kind of funny, and we later were able to say this because I filed it in court, we were actually in Libya.
So what must have happened is they leaked that they knew we were on international travel because we were traveling on behalf of the government, and we were the first delegation.
derek harvey
I think someone from HPSE leaked it.
devin nunes
Probably so.
derek harvey
Adam Schiff's people.
devin nunes
But we were actually in Libya meeting with Haftar.
Pretty damn dangerous place.
We were in Benghazi.
unidentified
Wow.
devin nunes
We were in Benghazi, and these bastards run this story, and they run this story to just dirty us up.
tim pool
And they didn't bother asking you.
devin nunes
I don't even remember if they did or not.
I think they asked for an interview, but what I do after 17...
After 2017, when they accused me of being a Russian agent, like if you accuse me of being a Russian agent, until you retract that story, I don't talk to you.
I'm not going to talk to them.
derek harvey
And with Lev Parnas, I investigated.
I looked at all the information, made a few inquiries over a period of like six weeks, because it wasn't constant.
It's just intermittent over a period of time, because you've got a lot of stuff going on.
And I came to Dev, and I said, this is a dead end.
This guy's not trustworthy.
devin nunes
And then they released, this is, I don't know if you guys remember, this is when Schiff released my phone records.
tim pool
That's right, and also John Solomon too, right?
devin nunes
Yeah, a bunch of people.
He released a bunch of my little phone numbers, yeah.
So, and you know, we couldn't, you know, if you call back in the day, and this is how all members of Congress, I think if they're doing their job, if somebody calls in, like if you were to call in to your congressman's office today, you know, hopefully you would get a call back within two or three days.
And so the poor, so in this case, poor Harvey was, you know, this guy calls in, I tell Harvey to call the guy.
And then all of a sudden, you know, these phone records are released as if Harvey's now done something bad because he's just calling somebody back that had information that said was relevant.
That's his job.
derek harvey
Yeah.
tim pool
That's crazy that he released the private information of a journalist.
devin nunes
How about me, his colleague?
unidentified
Have you had John Solomon on, by the way?
devin nunes
Not yet.
He's great.
luke rudkowski
How was the trip to Libya, though?
Right?
That place isn't really known for its international visitors.
devin nunes
How would you describe it?
It kind of looked like a hellscape.
derek harvey
A little surreal.
A little surreal.
luke rudkowski
I mean, slavery.
devin nunes
It kind of looked, when we landed there, there was like, well, the Russians were on one side of the airport.
Strong start.
And then, but it did look like, I thought I saw the devil out there with like a pitchfork and a sign that said, welcome to hell.
derek harvey
Now we have the conspiracy.
We're working with the Russians.
We really went to Benghazi to work with the Russians.
lydia smith
There you go.
Heard it here first.
tim pool
Now you're admitting it.
How did Russia come to be the villain, you know?
Like, is it because of the pipeline?
Is it because of Gazprom?
Is it because of Ukraine?
Because I certainly think China's a bigger threat.
devin nunes
Oh, no, they loved Russia.
Okay, so this is the, this is the damn, like, everybody asked me, like, how did you know that the Russia stuff was, was nonsense?
It was really easy.
And of course, the fake news has ignored this the whole time.
So in 2013 or 12, 13, 14, the Russians were pushing Obama around.
And remember, I'm on the Intelligence Committee.
I worked really closely with our Eastern European allies like Poland and Romania and others.
And remember the Russians, like suddenly they were in Libya doing everything.
Suddenly they were in Syria doing things.
Suddenly they overtake Crimea with little green men.
So I'm involved in all this and we couldn't get The Obama administration to do a damn thing.
You know, they would not do anything to the, you know, to the Russians, they just wouldn't deal with them.
So you can imagine.
So in 2000, in the in the spring of 2016, and just for your time, the time reference, this is when the Obama Biden administration are working with the Clinton campaign that begin investigating Trump and Republicans to tie them to Russia.
Okay, I have no idea that's going on.
But in the spring of 2016, I went out and made, which is a really important statement at the time, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee said, look, the biggest intelligence failure since 9-11 is our failure to understand Putin's plans and intentions.
So this is the biggest intelligence failure since then.
So I say that at the same time that they are painting us with being some kind of Russian
agent.
So you can imagine after the election when they come and say, oh, the Russians were trying
to help Trump and Republican.
What the hell are you talking about?
You guys haven't done any damn thing about Russia.
I said, this is a lie.
I've never said because I, I was actually paying attention to what Putin was doing.
They weren't.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
Well, Putin was building his sphere of influence and alliance with the Syrian government.
But when Barack Obama was in power, there was even serious talks of Barack Obama potentially launching an invasion or an attack on Syria.
And then it was General Flynn that came out and actually whistleblowed and talked about how the United States was funding radical Islamists inside of that region.
And I think there's been a massive payback against him for that.
So there's a lot of also complicated geopolitical maneuvers in all of this.
If you remember, I remember the Russians also intervened and sent their battleships to prevent U.S.
warships from being off the coast of Syria from potentially launching more missile strikes.
I remember there was protests there.
What do you remember from that time?
Because a lot of people thought we were very close to a war with Syria.
devin nunes
I think you're actually missing one of the most important data points.
Do you remember the time that Obama leaned over before the election when he was running against Mitt Romney?
And at the time he was talking to the Russian president, which I can't think of his name now.
unidentified
Medvedev?
devin nunes
Medvedev.
And he's on a hot mic and he says, tell Vladimir to wait until after the election or something like that.
tim pool
I'll have more flexibility.
Yeah.
devin nunes
I mean, that's the biggest issue.
tim pool
Collusion!
I love the classification narrative they're doing now because the implication is the President doesn't have the ability to declassify documents unilaterally.
And the point I make is imagine the President of the United States meeting with the President of Russia I wish I could, but I don't have the ability to classify what our weapons are, so I can't tell you it's classified, sorry.
Maybe there's some higher authority in the United States that can tell me what I'm allowed to tell you, and then we'll negotiate.
That's an insane prospect.
devin nunes
Well that's what we dealt with.
I mean that's why...
People have to remember in 2017, we knew nearly right away,
I just went through the story of how I knew, why I knew, I knew they were full of shit,
but I definitely knew that this was a problem when I found out that the Clinton campaign
you know, had paid for this dossier.
And you know how long it took for us to get that out to the public?
We knew that for nine months.
tim pool
And you couldn't release it?
devin nunes
No, if you remember, they were trying to investigate me.
Remember, they put me under an ethics investigation.
Remember that?
They were going after all of my team, all of our lawyers, everyone.
So they were looking for any way.
And remember, Trump is under investigation by Mueller, the Mueller witch hunt crew.
So I mean, they've got an army of G-men, DOJ With a special counsel authority.
I'm sitting there in Congress under investigation because they said I was leaking intelligence.
It took us that long to get that information out to the public.
And if you go back in time, if you remember that February timeframe of 2018, remember they said, people are going to die if Nunes releases this memo.
It's going to be horrible.
And then like the next day it came out.
Oh, this is no big deal.
The Clinton campaign, everybody knew that.
They did.
The fake news did know that the Clinton campaign, but none of us knew.
The American public didn't know.
derek harvey
The attitudes, Tim, is so similar to, remember Vindman when he was testifying?
And he basically said that the... Maybe from the audience of Vindman, you got to mention.
Oh, Vindman was the lieutenant colonel whistleblower, you know, complainer that led to the Ukrainian impeachment issue.
And he thought it was so important That's crazy.
the president was possibly betraying, you know, and doing things that the interagency
didn't want.
Vindman said that the interagency dictates what the president should be doing.
It's not the president who determines foreign policy, it's the interagency.
tim pool
That's crazy.
Do you think that Vindman is a useful idiot or do you think he's willfully malicious?
devin nunes
Both.
derek harvey
I was going to say an idiot who's malicious.
tim pool
That's crazy.
devin nunes
He's not smart enough to be, like, he's not very talented, but he's definitely a useful idiot.
derek harvey
Well, they wanted him to be the Minister of Defense for Ukraine, according to him.
tim pool
Getting ready for the war.
devin nunes
But that's what shows you he's a useful idiot.
Those Ukrainians, they thought, here's a dumbass that we can bribe.
Let's tell him that we want him to be the defense minister.
tim pool
So what do you guys think about the Joe Biden, you know, if the prosecutor's not fired, that whole thing?
I mean, do you guys know stuff that we don't?
I've done quite a bit of research into the whole Ukrainegate scandal, and it really does seem like right now, especially with Hunter Biden's laptop, That Joe Biden's involved in illicit business dealings.
That he's using his son as a proxy, that's what it seems like.
And I have to wonder now, with the billions that are being dumped into Ukraine, is this Joe Biden paying good on his debts?
devin nunes
I knew you were a Russian asset, that's why I was asking.
You're repeating Russian disinformation.
derek harvey
Can I run through?
tim pool
I love, just real quick, I love how Politico reported, I think it was in early 2017, that Ukrainian officials colluded to help the Democrats win the election, were embarrassed and scrambling now that Donald Trump won.
And then a few years later, one of their reporters said, actually that story was Russian disinformation, yet they still haven't retracted the initial report.
How can your outlet simultaneously report both things?
devin nunes
Yeah.
tim pool
Amazing.
devin nunes
I mean, look, they haven't retracted that report, the one that's still up on the screen there.
derek harvey
Yeah.
Real quick on Burisma timeline.
I'd just like to run through it real quick for you because I think it matters about the call for firing the prosecutor.
The White House, under Obama, had a conference with Ukrainian officials in late January.
And on the off-site of that conference, at the old executive office building, they were addressing corruption, and they asked the state prosecutor, representatives there, to back off the Burisma investigation.
A week later, back in Ukraine, they conducted a raid of the Burisma headquarters and the president of the Burisma company's home.
That led to at least eight phone calls over the next 10 days between President Biden and President Poroshenko of Ukraine, which then subsequently led to a trip coordinated by Eric Chiramella to Ukraine Where they put the hammer down saying we need the investigation of Burisima ended.
They masked it under corruption saying that the attorney, the state's attorney, was corrupt.
That's when they threatened to withhold IMF funding.
That same prosecutor that they're asking to be fired for corruption had gotten an award from the United States at the end of 2015 for being a stellar prosecutor.
devin nunes
Yeah, I mean, look, if we would have, you know, the Hunter Biden laptop, I mean, if you and I and your team here decide tonight that we're just going to start doing crack cocaine, bringing some prostitutes or whatever, the FBI would be knocking on your door tomorrow morning.
luke rudkowski
Lying on our taxes, lying on the government gun forms.
tim pool
We're throwing a gun in the garbage outside of a school?
Behind a school?
unidentified
That's crazy.
devin nunes
Show some guns here, do some crack, and they'll be here in 24 hours.
tim pool
Here's a big story that's almost, what's over 5 years old now?
Almost 6 years old.
From Politico.
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire.
You heard it right here from NewsGuard Certified Politico.
unidentified
100!
tim pool
Check it out.
And they say Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office.
They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.
And they helped Clinton's allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisors, a political investigation found.
Kenneth P. Vogel and David Stern.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
How is this story still on Politico when they later came out?
I think it was Politico EU was reporting from, I believe it could be wrong, Natasha Bertrand saying this story was in fact Russian disinformation.
Yet it's still up right now.
devin nunes
And we, we, Derek and I, we know a lot about this, this story because we brought this story up over and over and over again during the Ukraine impeachment hoax.
I mean, this is one of the stories that proves that it's a hoax.
The whole, the whole first impeachment of Trump was a hoax.
It was, I mean, they accused Trump of what they had done.
tim pool
Exactly.
So, Joe Biden.
I love this.
We had a guest on the show.
I'll give him the courtesy of not saying his name, but people know who it was.
We had this younger guy.
He was like an anti-woke guy, and then he went liberal.
And we're sitting down, we're talking to him, and I said, Joe Biden, sitting at his meeting.
What was it, Luke?
Was it Atlantic Council, or was it CFR?
luke rudkowski
So Joe Biden says, I told them, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars.
And they said, what?
tim pool
You can't.
luke rudkowski
You have no authority.
I said, call the president.
See what he says.
tim pool
I look at my watch.
You got six hours.
luke rudkowski
The prosecutor's not fired.
You're not getting the money.
tim pool
So Joe Biden says, I told them, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion
dollars. And they said, what? You can't. You have no authority. So call the president. See what he
says. Six, he said, I look at my watch. You got six hours of the prosecutors not fired. You're
not getting the money. Well, SOB, guy got fired.
And I'm like, so an illegal quid pro quo, the vice president has no authority to override certified loan guarantees from the US government.
He can't do that.
He did it.
They accused Trump of doing that.
Trump never asked for anything.
But this is what Joe Biden literally did.
Amazing.
And here he is now sitting as president.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So Donald Trump stumbles upon this, in my opinion.
I don't think Trump knew all that much about what was going on.
I think Trump saw a Twitter video of Joe Biden saying this that went viral, because the phone call transcript was funny.
He's like, what is this thing, you know, with Biden saying the loans, you know, why don't you look into that?
derek harvey
Right.
tim pool
He didn't even know what he was talking about.
And then they probably panicked, like, no, we can't have him digging into that impeach, impeach.
It's amazing.
Biden was not running for office at the time, and the media ran with Trump is targeting his rival.
What rival?
Joe Biden?
The dude's old and not running for office.
Nobody thought he would- I think some people speculated he would run, but there was no definitive answer whether he would, but that's the angle they went with.
Donald Trump stumbled upon some very serious corruption.
And I think people need to understand this.
What's happening in Ukraine, I think, has long been planned.
I was there, on the ground, in the end of 2013, and I think it was end of 2013, when the Maidan protests were starting.
Then, it was a few months later, I had left, they ousted Yanukovych.
This was an escalation that had been happening quite a bit.
Russia takes Crimea, Donald Trump gets elected, everything stops.
Donald Trump loses.
Joe Biden is now president.
Russia-conflict-Ukraine starts up again.
It's amazing how that happened.
How if you just Use a modicum of common sense that when Barack Obama is in office, this conflict is escalating.
Joe Biden is shaking down this country.
And then when Trump's in, everything stops.
devin nunes
And it's not just Biden that was shaking it down.
I mean, Biden was one of the top guys shaking it down.
But there's so many of these people in Washington, D.C.
that represent these countries.
I mean, we don't even know the half of how many people were on the payroll of these Ukrainians.
Both Democrats and Republicans.
tim pool
I think Ukraine is, what, a vassal state of NATO, of the United States.
You know, you've got Russia running the Gazprom pipeline through the country, jacking up the prices into Europe, causing a lot of problems.
The U.S.
wanted to build the Qatar Turkey pipeline.
Syria said no.
The U.S.
says, oh, look, lucky us.
Bashar al-Assad is facing a civil war and we just happen to support the other people.
It seems very obvious what the whole thing was really about and why they wanted to demonize Russia over China.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I wanted to ask you, what did you think about Trump's foreign policy towards Ukraine and Russia?
Because you made some assertions about Obama being kind of soft on Russia.
What did you think of Trump's job?
What?
How did you do?
Because he was also the first president to send lethal weapons to Ukraine, which some people at the time saw as an escalation.
devin nunes
Yeah, well, look, if you look at what if you look at what Trump let's talk about the big picture and back up and then go back to the propaganda.
So remember, every time Trump would make a move, they would say, he's an idiot.
Oh, I can't believe he said that this is embarrassing.
And, you know, a lot of us were sitting back saying, Well, wait a second, you know, we've been having these, you know, I would go to these meetings.
And, you know, I spent a lot of time overseas.
I mean, Colonel Harvey was was with me at a lot of these meetings.
And we would go meet with some anywhere from our allies to okay people to some really bad people, you know.
And I I was just glad for the first time, because I was always, as a chair of a committee and top Republican, you never want to go—we always kind of had a rule that the partisanship stops once we leave the country, right?
And you try to put forth good faith effort overseas.
So with Republicans, Democrats, you don't want to be fighting your political conflicts over there.
It just makes for confusion.
Anyway, I'd sit in those damn meetings.
I remember specifically sitting in a meeting with the Germans, knowing that they were shutting down their nuclear power plants and they were getting ready to put this pipeline, additional pipeline, in to be solely relying on Russia.
And I was thinking to myself, and I always kick myself sometimes when you think I should have
said something, I should have done something. And not that it would have mattered at the time,
but I said, you know, I felt like saying, what the hell are you guys doing? You know,
and sometimes I'd have little sidebars like, what the hell are you guys doing with this?
You guys are shutting down these nuclear power plants. This is crazy. So when Trump goes over
there and says, okay, cut all this bullshit out.
Here's what we're going to, here's what we're going to do.
Why are you buying these?
Why are you putting this pipeline?
Why are you shutting down your nuclear power plants?
You guys are crazy.
Why aren't you putting in the money to NATO?
I mean, you know how many times I would go to NATO and we'd sit there in these stupid meetings and everybody, you know, Oh, you know, I can only put in 1.2%.
I'm supposed to be put into, I mean, this has gone on for three or four decades of these guys not putting in their money.
Yeah, and so what Trump remember, like that was just like what he said was not crazy.
It was actually just common sense. But they should be paying and they shouldn't be shutting
down their nukes and they shouldn't be buying gas from Russia. Because if you do, and the Russians
decide to ultimately shut off your gas. Now what the hell are you going to do?
Now they've got a hell of a mess.
This thing could get really bad.
In Germany, in Europe, this could get really bad if the Russians decide to shut this gas off here in the next two months.
derek harvey
It's going to get bad because they're going to use winter as a weapon, but Trump offered American natural gas.
You want gas?
We'll provide it to you.
He provided Eastern Europeans, especially the Poles, military assistance and, you know, weapon systems and things that the Obama administration had been denying.
Built relationships with Romania and other countries, okay?
He focused on Russia doing things that the Obama administration didn't do.
He was building up NATO and pressuring NATO Which the Democrats accused him of dividing NATO and weakening NATO, but he called them out and he got them to increase funding by $140 billion.
devin nunes
Which still wasn't close to the 2%, but it was more than we had ever gotten.
derek harvey
Right.
tim pool
I'm just imagining these NATO countries, they're like, I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a missile defense system today.
And then every week, it's just the same thing.
You know, that famous line, who was that guy?
The cheeseburger guy?
You know?
Was it Archie Comics?
luke rudkowski
So did you agree with Trump's policy?
Do you think he did a good job when it came to navigating Russia, Ukraine, and that situation, the way it's unfolding right now?
And more importantly?
devin nunes
Yeah, I mean, I think, look, probably the best thing that he did overall was how he dealt with China.
I mean, when he said he was going to put in those tariffs, I thought to myself, ah, shit, I've heard this.
I've been around Washington.
Every president, oh, we're going to really get tough on China.
And I'll be damned if he didn't do it.
luke rudkowski
But specifically, where we are now, and especially your work on the Intelligence Committee, how dangerous is the current situation that we're in now, especially with this kind of proxy war between the East and the West unfolding in Ukraine right now?
devin nunes
It kind of depends on, it's tough to get good analysis out of there, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
devin nunes
Look, Russia could do some real damage to Europe this winter.
That's a serious issue that we just talked about.
Secondly, it kind of depends on, well, I think the Russians are, you know, have they lost 30,000, 50,000, 100,000, who knows what the right number is.
But, you know, the Russians clearly thought they were going to go in there, march to Kiev, and that the Ukrainians were going to lay down their guns.
And I will tell you that, I mean, there's, I think number one, it's hard for them to, no matter how much they censor, There's still a lot of young people that really they're conscripts that the Russians are relying on, but they know Ukrainians, they know each other.
The Ukrainians never wanna have the Russians back.
I mean, they know what it was like.
I mean, you have a lot of the old, the guys that are fighting for the Ukrainians right now are guys that were in the Russian military.
I mean, you got guys that are 40, 50, 60 years old that were brought up and trained by the Soviets that are now running They're military operations.
The Russians are relying on a lot of conscripts.
They've lost, if, look, let's just call it, what do you think, Colonel?
They lost 50,000 probably for sure?
derek harvey
Probably.
That's, that's killed.
We're not talking about all casualties, but they lost a lot.
devin nunes
50,000 would mean what?
200, 250,000 casualties?
derek harvey
I'm not sure it's that many given the lethality on the battlefield today, but going back just a minute.
The Biden administration basically invited them into Ukraine by closing down the embassy, evacuating all Americans, and just basically saying, hey, Russia, we're not going to interfere.
We're not going to do anything.
We don't want to have any problems.
Take what you want.
And got out of the way.
The fact that Zelensky in Ukraine fought and the Russians were incompetent, created a stalemate and that forced their hand and the Europeans stepped up to the plate.
I'm not sure who led.
I'm not sure the Biden administration led on this.
We're going to try and take credit for it anyway.
But right now, one of the issues that is being talked about is, was Russia losing as badly as they are, and they've been having some significant setbacks on the ground, what would trigger a tactical nuke or something else that would potentially
lead to some other miscalculations.
devin nunes
I think you'd do it. Yeah, Putin is, you know, and I've said this for a long time, this is,
you know, I had always been a Russian hawk. And I would always say that anybody who thought they
were going to get along with Putin, I mean, it was a fool's errand, right?
And that goes back to Clinton, George W. Bush, McCain, you name it, all of these guys, senior level, and I always disagreed.
Putin is a thug and always will be a thug.
You can only deal with him, you know, with force.
He only understands one thing, force.
And what So the idea that you would think that now, and now I don't think he's playing with a full deck.
I mean, I didn't think that he would go into Ukraine because I said, why would you do that when you already know how to use the little green men?
You can do this by attrition.
So clearly he's starting to, he's a brilliant guy, very dangerous, but he's getting, something's not right there.
And now, You know, what the colonel said, I mean, this guy could use tactical nukes.
I mean, I don't people, I mean, he's not going to let the rest of his guys get annihilated in Ukraine.
tim pool
And he's not going to lose even true.
And people need to understand, too, that when many people imagine nuclear weapons, they imagine megaton bombs and these massive ICBMs and MIRVs and things like that.
He could be using nuclear artillery.
They could use a low yield, relatively nuclear bomb that just decimates the central Kiev.
What would happen to the morale of the Ukrainian soldiers if Putin were to fire a nuke?
I think people would drop their guns and run full speed because what do you do at that level of war?
And that could eventually lead to, I don't know, Ukraine become... I don't believe that it would result necessarily in mutually assured destruction.
If Putin targets Ukrainian strategic locations, military, and there's some fear that he'll use nuclear power plants as standing nuclear weapons.
If he targets them and uses lower yield weapons, I don't see NATO or the West responding with larger yield bombs against Russia.
derek harvey
Well, Putin does not want Ukraine to exist if Russia does not own it.
He'd like it to be a wasteland.
luke rudkowski
Well, I think it's also important because there's a lot of energy being found, especially in the southern part, especially by Odessa, that the Russians want to control.
And that's why they concentrated a lot of their forces, a lot of their troops on the southern, because they don't want Ukraine to become a petrostate.
Because if Ukraine becomes a petrostate, Russia is absolutely defeated and screwed over in the long term in their trajectory.
And I think You know, there's a lot of interest here.
There's a lot of energy.
There's a lot of policy.
There's a lot of history here.
unidentified
Fossil fuels are so old.
derek harvey
Yeah, let's get with it.
Let's get with the Biden administration.
It's old news.
Fossil fuels.
tim pool
Nuclear power.
Are they doing that?
I'll take some new plants.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I think it's far more complicated, but I think the situation is so dangerous.
And I see so much escalation and no real push for de-escalation or peace talks.
And I think it's such a complicated thing.
There's no easy answer here.
But to me, this is just absolutely reckless on so many levels.
tim pool
You know, I asked Lucas the other day, you guys seem a little upset about this.
Have you considered owning nothing and being happy?
Yeah.
unidentified
No?
derek harvey
No, not at all.
tim pool
You don't want to own nothing?
derek harvey
Never.
tim pool
No great reset for you?
No looking forward to just letting them take all your belongings?
devin nunes
If I was going to do that, I'd go and become a Franciscan priest.
tim pool
It seems like that's the way things are going, and it makes me wonder about if there is an agenda towards a great reset.
I mean, Klaus Schwab wrote a book about it.
To what extent does the dude actually have the ability and the power to implement something like that?
derek harvey
Speaking of resets, you're from Illinois, right?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
derek harvey
Illinois's new safety act.
Yeah, funny name.
Where you can't even protect your own property.
You know, trespassers can come in and camp on your property, on your front porch, and the police will not do anything?
tim pool
Yeah.
derek harvey
I mean, what is going on?
They're attacking property rights, values across the board in Illinois.
tim pool
You will owe nothing and you will be happy.
See, this is a good point.
The SAFE-T Act.
You heard about this?
They're saying, as you said, the police won't respond to trespassers on your property, and they're going to eliminate cash bail for most criminal offenders.
derek harvey
Murder.
Even murder.
devin nunes
Okay, but you guys realize you're talking to a guy who's from California.
unidentified
He's like, hold my beer.
devin nunes
I mean, I can go on and on.
tim pool
You're like, oh, the good old days.
Don't let them do it to you.
derek harvey
But this is another example.
You're talking, this is Chicago in the suburbs dictating to the rest of the state.
devin nunes
Yeah.
Well look, I always tell the story about people who haven't been to California recently, you see the pictures of the homeless, you see the pictures of the nuttiness in San Francisco, and you see the pictures in LA and all the popular places, but those places have always had homeless people, it's just that they're 10 or 15x.
Where you didn't have homeless people were in the rest of the state.
Or if you did, they were kind of your traditional hobo, kind of, you know, you have onesies, twosies, five, maybe.
tim pool
Well, let's, let's, let's, real quick, let's, uh, let's break this down.
Hobo means homeward bound.
And it's a reference to people moving.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So that makes us be sleeping outside, but they're leaving.
Vagrants, I think, are just, you know, derelict individuals who mill about.
Vagabonds are travelers.
And then a bum, I think, is somebody who doesn't work.
So, you know, we got to make sure we get those terms right.
devin nunes
Right.
But that's traditionally what you had.
tim pool
Hobos.
devin nunes
But you just had a few, a few of each one of that category.
You just said, you know, like in my home city, you know, 65,000 people.
And, you know, you just have a handful of people.
You know, the police go out there, work with them, and churches would take care of them.
And so I always tell people this.
It was not that long ago.
It was, I think it was 2015.
I have a church across the street from my house, and there were two homeless people that started living out there.
And, but that was it.
There was no, in the whole city, that was the only ones.
I mean, there were a handful of others that people were in and out of homes.
There was places that they could get to.
And I remember all my neighbors saying, oh my God, these people are living right there across the street.
And the people were shocked.
And they went to the church and said, look, you can't have these people living across the street.
And the church says, well, look, we're a home for, you know, we're a church, so we gotta, you know, help these people.
Well, then the two turned into six and the six turned into 12.
And then the church said, no solicitation, put, you know, so homeless people were gone from the church.
And then, but they didn't go very far.
And now, in my home city, 65,000 people, what started with just a handful of homeless, okay?
We now have estimated somewhere between five and seven hundred.
In my home city.
unidentified
Wow.
devin nunes
But that's in every single city across California.
So I call it, it's like zombie apocalypse.
We are welcoming all these people here.
They have their own governments.
And so it's like Stockholm syndrome, right?
I remember how I just gave the story.
2015, everybody's like, oh my god, there's two homeless people across the street.
To now, there's zombies everywhere and nobody does anything.
I mean, I've got literally, the football field away from me, where I live, we've got a whole homeless encampment.
I mean, I can't, my kids, my girls can't walk over to the little market, mini market, because they've got to go through a homeless camp.
tim pool
So I made this point, I think it was Memorial Day, we went to the movies, and there was not a soul in sight.
The movie theater was empty, the arcade machines had been removed from it.
This is a big shopping center in Frederick.
And I'm walking around, and I'm looking around, and I'm like, where are the people?
No, nobody's here.
Nobody's out.
There's a pool hall.
It's empty.
Where'd everybody go?
There's an ice cream shop.
Closed.
And it said, we're closed due to short staff.
And I was like, where are the people?
I recently went to, um, what city is, I can't remember the name of the city.
I don't know.
It's in West Virginia.
And there's a diner at noon on a weekend saying closed.
lydia smith
Martinsburg.
tim pool
Martinsburg.
That's the one.
Closed due to short staff.
And then I was just like, where is everyone?
And then Ian made a good point, and he goes, a lot of more homeless people popping up.
And I was like, man, is that what's happening?
People aren't working anywhere, they're losing their homes, they can't afford it anymore, and that's why the homeless population is increasing so much?
devin nunes
I think at least what you see in California, and we're getting them from all over the country, and it's really sad because a lot of them are a product of meth, methamphetamines.
tim pool
Oh man, I started watching Breaking Bad.
unidentified
You know all about it now.
Yeah.
devin nunes
It's pretty bad.
I mean, you feel bad because there's really nothing.
These people are never going to be able to function in life, and they just kind of follow.
I hate calling them zombies, but I don't really know what else to call them.
They just kind of follow, and they have leaders.
tim pool
Meth heads.
devin nunes
Yeah, but a lot of them aren't even doing meth anymore, I don't think.
tim pool
Crack heads.
devin nunes
Yeah, they're just gone.
tim pool
Hunter Biden.
derek harvey
Well, heroin, fentanyl, whatever it is, we've got a big problem across the whole country with this.
It's a plague.
luke rudkowski
Well, if you look at homelessness, a lot of it is usually correlated with not just drug addiction, but a mental health crisis.
And I think that mental health crisis is getting worse and worse, especially by the numbers.
When you look at depression, self-harm, suicide, those numbers have been going up dramatically.
How do you deal with this type of situation?
Who do we blame?
Do we blame Big Pharma for the opioid epidemic?
Do we blame China for the fentanyl that makes it worse?
Do we blame the fast food industry that's creating a poor mental health?
Do we blame social media that's also creating poor mental health?
derek harvey
Blame legalization of marijuana across the whole country?
Do you blame, you know, I mean you could go on down the list, but the drug use across the board contributes significantly to the mental health issues because it does create damage to the brain and the functioning of a good segment of that population.
tim pool
Alcohol, though.
Alcohol, I think, substantially worse than pot.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
But prohibition didn't work.
You know, we were like, let's repeal that amendment.
That didn't make sense.
It's funny that we I'm surprised, you know, learning about American history that they actually were actually able to get a constitutional amendment just to get rid of alcohol.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I think it's crazy that, you know, marijuana is still illegal in some states, but doctors could prescribe legalized heroin and get people addicted and hooked on for the rest of their lives.
That's a problem right there that deserves to be called out.
And yes, marijuana is being genetically engineered.
There's a whole bunch of Frankenstein marijuana that's really bad, especially for children.
But we can't start with prohibition.
It never worked.
It never has worked.
But there is something to say about how society has failed most people, and most people are now becoming homeless or poor more than ever.
devin nunes
Yeah, I think what you say, I mean all of these issues that we're talking about, all of them to some degree matter.
But the challenge that we have in California is that, you know, I always tell people, stop, if you don't want bears, stop feeding the bears.
I mean, you have to admit you have a problem and stop.
And we're getting more and more and more of them.
And there's so many things that have to be done to handle the problem.
But it is... I mean, look, nobody... Every time I get on a plane, I just... When I left California the other day, before I got stuck in Dallas and then teleported to the secret meeting with President Trump at the golf course, before all that... It could have been your evil twin, though.
Could have been.
tim pool
Or good twin.
Are you the evil one?
But continue.
devin nunes
But every time I fly, I get, oh, I used to, hey, you used to be my congressman back in the day.
But, you know, I left to Texas like five years ago or three years ago.
I mean, every time it's people that are still have business in California or whatever, but they've moved their headquarters to a different state.
unidentified
Wow.
derek harvey
Well, the exodus is happening in Illinois, too.
tim pool
Maybe it's a self-correcting problem.
You let them run amok and go crazy for long enough and people are going to be like, I'm out.
derek harvey
How long before Illinois goes bankrupt?
unidentified
I don't know.
How long?
derek harvey
I mean, can the state go bankrupt?
tim pool
Well, Biden will give him money.
He'll find a way.
He'll find a way to pump money into the system and keep the zombie state hopping along.
devin nunes
Well, remember, in California, you know, we're going to be all green, right?
Yet we're not building any new ways to produce power.
In mass.
In fact, we shut down a nuclear power plant.
We were talking about nuclear a few minutes ago.
And then we were going to shut down our last two reactors that are still supplying 10% of our power.
So I don't know if everybody's paying attention, but you couldn't charge your car the other night.
If you were in California, you had to, and the governor sent a message to everybody's phone saying, turn off your power now.
tim pool
Do you see the Colorado when the thermostats couldn't be changed?
Oh no, I didn't see that.
Energy crisis, your thermostat's stuck at 78.
derek harvey
Well, that's if you sign up for that program, right?
tim pool
But people, this is the thing, they come to you and they say, do you want to sign up for our smart saver program?
It's a hundred bucks off your bill per year.
unidentified
Sure.
derek harvey
Sounds good.
tim pool
All right, have a nice day.
And then all of a sudden you can't change your thermostat.
It's not like people knew they were signing up for that.
devin nunes
Yeah.
But now they, but, but they, until they feel pain.
So now Newsom wants to run for president.
He feels pain.
There's, we're on the verge of blackouts all the time.
And it's not just because of, you know, everybody's like, oh my God, it's global warm.
It's like, no, you idiots.
It always gets hot in California during the summer.
I mean, it's not unusual for there to be, you know, big spikes in temperatures.
luke rudkowski
It doesn't happen in Florida.
tim pool
You know what it is?
derek harvey
You're right.
It doesn't.
tim pool
I was in California during the drought in like 2015 and ain't nobody stopped showering.
They were like, everybody, you got to limit your water use.
And I knew people who were like, yeah, but not me.
And that was the mentality of almost every single person.
They're all running their long, hot showers being like, I don't care.
devin nunes
But the drought is so so do you now you get into my wheelhouse now it's how I actually got politics was because this crazy water issue.
So you realize that like LA, San Francisco is actually a desert.
Nobody thinks of it as a desert.
tim pool
San Francisco.
devin nunes
San Francisco is a desert.
tim pool
But the Delta water is what keeps it alive?
devin nunes
No.
What keeps it alive, actually, was the founding fathers of the city realized they needed some really fresh, good, clean water.
They went into Yosemite National Park, dammed up a valley not as big as Yosemite Valley, but one that was a small mirror image of it just over the mountain range.
They dammed it up.
It's a dam called Hetch Hetchy.
They dammed it up.
They piped the water.
tim pool
Sorry, how do you spell that?
devin nunes
Hetch Hetchy.
H-E-T-C-H.
tim pool
Easy enough.
unidentified
Yep.
devin nunes
Yep.
tim pool
Oh, Hetch Hetchy.
Yeah, let's pull up the map.
devin nunes
Yeah, so if you keep that map up, so back around the turn of the century, I'm talking about 1900 now, the city of San Francisco figured out, hell, we don't have any water here, we've got to do something because you can't drink the salt water in the bay, right?
So they built that dam, created that lake, and they piped the water all the way over to San Francisco.
All right, that's where San Francisco gets its water.
unidentified
Wow.
devin nunes
Now as the rest of the state developed, all these water projects were built
and there's actually plenty of water in the state.
You just have to move it around.
You have to keep it in the wet years and you have to move it around
because it's not uncommon for California to go through every...
Everybody says, like you said, there was a drought in 15.
We have droughts like all the time.
It's a desert.
L.A.' 's a desert.
You'll have two wet years.
You'll have four dry years.
You'll have one wet year.
But my point to say all this is that this is a man-made created crisis.
Like the people of California knew that like when we had people with brains, they knew, hey,
we better build some nuclear power plants. If we're going to have 40 million people living
here, we better build nuclear power plants.
Clean, easy, they work. And in fact, the last, what I was saying about paying Newsom now after
Republicans, the few Republicans that are left, including our delegation said, idiot,
you're going to run the state out of power.
He finally acquiesced and said, I'm going to come in and save the nuclear power plant.
Not talking about how he was the one that was going to shut it down in the first place.
And the same thing as water until people run out of water into what you said, Tim, that like, they actually don't have any water coming out of the tap.
tim pool
I've seen it.
devin nunes
There won't be, there won't be any pain.
Nobody will pay the price and they won't change their methods of operation.
tim pool
They just leave.
devin nunes
Well, the conservative people leave.
tim pool
Well, everybody does, even the liberal people.
The liberal people vote for policies and vote for people like Newsom, burn it to the ground, and then go, this sucks, I'm leaving.
derek harvey
I'm going to Montana.
I'm going to Utah.
tim pool
Then they bring their policies with them.
derek harvey
Yep.
tim pool
And then it happens all over again.
It's a cultural problem.
A lot of this, everything I think we're facing is all cultural issues.
There is a sect of people right now, and it's mostly the Democrats, the Biden supporters, They only care about saying what is socially acceptable.
So of course they repeat what they see on TV, they believe every single hoax, and they vote for policies that destroy everything so long as the mob, they agree with the mob, they're content to just watch everything burn.
These people...
You know, I feel like they've always been here.
They've always been around.
But with social media, they've been trapped in a spiral where they're all just chasing each other.
It's a Mexican standoff of cancel culture.
So you have people who are brave enough to be like, I don't agree with that.
I'm not going to agree with that.
And then they get mad at you saying you're not agreeing with the consensus reality.
So you're a bad guy.
derek harvey
You're an extremist.
tim pool
Exactly.
derek harvey
That's the White House.
You're an extremist.
tim pool
So what ends up happening is they say, the acceptable thing is that nuclear power is bad.
The acceptable thing is that coal power plants are bad.
Then you end up with no power.
Doesn't matter.
They said right thing.
Good thing was said.
Therefore, we good.
Then the grid collapses, everyone suffers, and they flee to your state.
And they say the same exact things.
One by one, just gutting and destroying.
That's what I'm worried about with Texas.
Look, um, mad respect to Joe Rogan.
You know, he recently said, vote Republican.
Did you guys hear this?
When they were like, what do you tell these people whose businesses were shut down?
And he's like, vote Republican.
And they laugh.
And people point out it's good that Joe moved to Texas, you know, because he opposes that stuff.
What people don't understand is that Joe is surrounded by wealth and industry.
And the people who will follow him, for him and not for politics, for political reasons, are going to bring liberal policies.
Elon Musk brings the Gigafactory to, I think, to Austin.
And everyone's like, oh, that's great, Elon Musk, he's fleeing California, who?
And it's like, and all of the people who lived in California working for him, two to one, it's Democrats, it's liberal voters coming to Texas.
Now, I think there still is good news because it seems like more anti-woke, anti-cult people are moving to Texas, and it's going to help keep the state red.
And you have the Rio Grande Valley, which has turned red.
So I think it'll be okay.
And that will actually dilute the cults.
devin nunes
That was one of the things I was going to, I think the Mexican vote in this country, and I specifically say, you could actually use the kind of the larger term Hispanic, but it's really the Mexican vote that's in Texas and California, Arizona, Yeah, but he posted a taco bowl picture.
begins to shift and it doesn't have to shift very much and if you remember in
2016 when Trump won remember the fake news had created this whole narrative
that Trump was going to you know get rid of all the Hispanics they were all going
to be kicked out of the country remember that yeah well he posted a Taco Bell
picture you know I didn't wait for a second well but a lot of people did I
I mean, it was it was kind of a hard time because I felt bad like, like small kids that my wife's a schoolteacher.
And I remember hearing the stories about little kids actually thought that they were going to, you know, that Trump was like, going to come and, you know, get them and send them back, even though they were born in the United States.
But that's the kind of damage you talk about that this can do to young people and these images.
But do you know that in the only growth area that I saw In the electorate in California in 18 and in 20 was with Mexican American voters.
If you were a working Mexican American, those people, and actually working anyone.
derek harvey
They're moving Republican.
devin nunes
They're shifting, not quickly, but they're shifting.
We saw it on the Rio Grande Valley.
Where you're not shifting, anybody who's college educated, doesn't matter what color, what letter you use, you know, as your pronouns, you are going to be, you're shifting left.
derek harvey
Well, one of the things on the exodus, the governor of New York says, hey Republicans, leave New York.
Get out of here.
We don't want you here.
tim pool
Yeah, that was amazing.
derek harvey
In Florida, there's now an 800,000 Republican voter advantage, and it used to be the other way around.
devin nunes
Well, us and Rumble, we're in Sarasota, Florida, the new free speech capital.
True Social's in Florida, Sarasota, so is Rumble.
Tim Kast should move down to Sarasota, Florida.
luke rudkowski
That's what I've been telling Tim.
I visited Sarasota.
I visited the headquarters at Rumble.
I was like, this is a great place, Tim.
tim pool
We've got to come.
devin nunes
Yeah, you guys should move there.
tim pool
That'd be fun.
devin nunes
Then I could come on the show all the time.
tim pool
We would need, uh, if the city can provide some kind of, like, grant so that we can relocate 30-plus employees and build new infrastructure we otherwise couldn't afford.
luke rudkowski
And tax incentives.
We'll just talk to, you know, Ron.
It'll be like, hey, Ron, hook it up.
tim pool
The weather, man.
This is the problem.
unidentified
It's not that bad.
luke rudkowski
Oh, I lived in Miami.
tim pool
I lived in the Redlands.
derek harvey
No income tax.
luke rudkowski
You lived in the Redlands.
derek harvey
No individual income tax.
luke rudkowski
Yes, you live deep inside of the thing.
You gotta be by the beach where the breeze is.
It's cool.
It's fun.
It's great.
tim pool
It's awesome.
It's 100 degrees of maximum humidity all the time.
devin nunes
No.
Miami, yes.
derek harvey
Air conditioning.
luke rudkowski
Sarasota's beautiful.
I loved it there.
devin nunes
I thought the same thing.
So, you know, when I was in D.C., like, California gets hot where I'm from.
I'm from the big agricultural valley.
And, I mean, we're getting 105.
You know, we got 111 the other day.
But I've never been hotter outside of when I was in Iraq a few times, which Colonel Harvey lived there for five or six years, so he can tell you about real hot.
But in DC, I mean, if it would be in the 90s, 95 with that nasty humidity with no breeze, and like that's what you'll see sometimes in Miami, but you're exactly right.
I just think, I've been shocked at how even when I thought, oh man, I'm gonna, the humidity is gonna suck in Sarasota, but there's always like this breeze that comes off the Gulf.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's amazing.
I'm a big fan.
devin nunes
We shouldn't be talking about Sarasota because we're going to have too many people.
It's terrible.
Too many people are going to move to Sarasota.
luke rudkowski
And they're already moving in.
I talked to some locals that live there.
They're like, everyone's moving in.
Everyone's taking all the properties.
All these damn yuppies are coming in here.
devin nunes
Hey, I'll tell you what.
unidentified
We'll build you a studio in our office.
tim pool
The average high in January is 72.
That's perfect.
The average high in April and May is 82, then 87, 90 in June, 91 in July, 91 in August, 90 in September, 86 in August.
luke rudkowski
That's not that different than here.
tim pool
That's very different from here.
The average high in January here is like 35.
luke rudkowski
I still, I'm a big Florida man.
I love Florida.
I'm very biased in my, uh, you know, love affair.
tim pool
Politically, I like Florida.
devin nunes
Why don't you do, I'm just, we're just throwing stuff at the wall.
I'm just, this is just, it's a battleground state.
tim pool
It's a purple state.
luke rudkowski
You're saying go either way.
We need all the resources down in Florida.
tim pool
We should build a winter cast castle.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
Just in, uh, October.
Uh, so in, in, was it?
Oh, I don't even have December pulled up.
devin nunes
I can teleport but you can mind read.
That's exactly what I was going to say.
tim pool
November to February is we're based in Florida and then we come back.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And then you detoxify.
You sweat out all the toxins from your body.
tim pool
I sweat every single day skating.
Luke!
We're skating out there today.
And I'm covered in sweat and Luke's sitting there hunched over eating a stromboli with pepperoni.
luke rudkowski
I was doing pull-ups.
Right before that.
I did a little working out today.
tim pool
He came out with a balance board and then he pulled out a stromboli and just slouched it down.
luke rudkowski
And I was working out in the gym.
You can check this out on the cameras.
Anyway, not going too personal because we've got to do Super Chats.
tim pool
We're three minutes away from Super Chats.
luke rudkowski
And I wanted to ask you so many questions.
I have a list of questions I really wanted to ask you.
devin nunes
You've got to go to Sarasota and then we'll just do it from there.
luke rudkowski
Right here, right now.
I really want to talk about the Intelligence Committee because I hear so many rumors just about being a part of this kind of committee.
I'm hearing about people being scared of losing their clearances.
I heard even Dianne Feinstein in 2014 talked about how the CIA was spying on this committee.
How was it, you know, being a part of this committee?
What was going on?
Can you tell us your experiences?
Were you being What was going on on the inside?
devin nunes
You know, I actually am probably the only person, or very few people on the planet, who can actually say this.
I went from the very best job in the world, and within a matter of just a few months, to the very worst job in the world.
Okay, so I was having, you know, it was tough work, but it was rewarding work.
You get to work with patriots like Colonel Harvey.
A lot of the folks I worked with, it was very bipartisan.
You never heard from the House Intelligence Committee.
Until you got to the point of, you know, if there was a terrorist attack or some international issue because, you know, people didn't even really want to serve on the Intelligence Committee because it was hard work.
You had to do a lot.
If you actually took it seriously, you had to do a lot of travel.
It wasn't to great places, you know, except when Harvey and I were in Vienna that one time.
But then overnight, Trump wins.
And then they turn it into that, you know, everybody's a Russian agent, everybody's Russian disinformation.
So it went from the best job to the to the worst job.
I mean, I went under, you know, because I had to sit there and take all their bullshit for year after year.
I mean, look, I'm still I'm not even Congress in Congress anymore.
And I mean, look, they're still attacking, you know, my former staff.
I mean, Kash Patel.
I mean, they put him in a damn warrant the other day with this, you know, that story that we were talking about.
luke rudkowski
Was he subpoenaed?
devin nunes
The Breitbart story that he was in.
So, yeah.
I mean, and there's still, I mean, every day this, this, it's like this.
tim pool
They put you in a story about a secret meeting with Donald Trump on a golf course.
devin nunes
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Was there, was there any more retribution that you faced for speaking out against what you knew was wrong and what you were right all along about?
devin nunes
I mean, look, there's still, you have, I mean, look, this is, this is, I was getting, you know, why did I leave?
Why did I leave Congress?
It's because the flow, the free flow of information, the internet is shut down.
We're trying to create a beachhead to open it back up.
I mean, it's that simple.
And the way that I realized it is, is after the 2020 election, I thought to myself, you know, after, you know, Parler got canceled and all that, that we talked about earlier.
But another important point is, how could it be that you still had over half of America at that point, according to polls that I'd seen right after the election, that believed that Trump and Republicans had something to do with Russia?
They don't know what!
But they had something to do with Russia.
And that's when I said, Oh my God, like, how did this happen?
Like I spent four years debunking this whole damn thing.
It's a total hoax.
And you still had half of America who didn't know about it and who believed well.
derek harvey
And the Hunter Biden story was censored.
devin nunes
And the Hunter Biden story was censored.
unidentified
Yeah.
devin nunes
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Is there anything that you were, you were, you know, a part of the committee that, that you were able to preview, uh, get information about that you knew everyone else was wrong about other than just the, the whole Russian gate?
derek harvey
China?
We were doing a lot on China, identifying what China was doing in technology, espionage, pushing that China was a real threat, and that was before Trump.
devin nunes
Yeah, we ran a long, I mean actually our China investigation dated back a long time, and we were, you know, and Colonel Harvey was running that investigation for us.
There's a lot there, I mean China's a big problem.
But, you know, we want to be happy warriors for the rest of the night and not get depressed.
What did Ronald Reagan say?
If you want to be depressed, go outside and lie down.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats.
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Head over there, click the Join Us button, because we're going to have a members-only uncensored show coming up at 11 p.m.
tonight.
You don't want to miss it, but let's read what y'all have to say.
All right.
Leor Engelstein says, I'll start off the superchats by saying, a government that has created enough laws that the average citizen breaks 20 federal laws a day is the same as, quote, show me the man and I will tell you the crime.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
You see that viral video of the cop where she's like, if you're in front of me, get out of my way.
If you don't get out of my way, I'm behind you long enough.
I can find a reason to get you.
unidentified
It's like, Oh yeah.
tim pool
Show me the man.
I'll show you the crime.
luke rudkowski
That was a strong bureaucratic Becky there.
devin nunes
Well, that's what we used to say about Moeller.
The Moeller witch hunt was an investigation in search of a crime.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
Jason D says, Tim, you mentioned a while back that Michael Graves might come on the show.
Any plans for that?
Would be great to hear what he's got to say these days.
Oh, yeah, we'll reach out to him.
It's been a while.
Yeah, he's cool.
Well, uh, we'll talk to the crew and see what, uh, what we got.
Dano says, I am a sub at Timcast and I can't give much, but after the video about schools today, I wanted to support you more to hopefully support that micro school more that you gave to.
Thanks, Tim, for all you do.
So yeah, there's a micro school out here.
You guys familiar with the concept?
Basically what you do is you got a bunch of kids who are homeschooled and you put them in the same place.
The school is based on, instead of a grade classroom, students have grades.
So if a student has a 6th grade reading level but an 8th grade math level, then that's what
they have.
And then as soon as they finish the tests, they level up.
That way the kids can move as quickly or as slowly as they need to.
But it's basically, get your kids out of the public school system.
It's super corrupt.
Homeschool your kids.
And this is the step up from homeschooling.
It's basically, well, it's the step up from pods.
Do you know about pod learning?
All the families get their kids together.
They hire a tutor.
You do that with like, you know, 10 times as many kids.
And now you've got a micro school.
So I recently made a contribution in the low five figures to help a micro school get started out here.
Make sure they have books and the kids can get good learning.
And there's some religious values involved and I think it's a good idea, especially considering how they're trying to indoctrinate kids at schools.
I thought it was an important thing to do.
So Dano, I really appreciate the support.
This was my personal contribution.
Just wanted to help these schools and put my money where my mouth is.
Adam Noel says, Ian mentioned Jackson, Mississippi last night.
I just want to point out their mayor, Chakwi Antar Lumumba, is a self-proclaimed progressive and socialist.
Coincidence?
I don't think so.
Don't know.
Does that have anything to do with them not having water?
No idea?
I don't know.
lydia smith
No, sorry.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, talking to my normie bro about the midterms, his exact words were, wait, it's only the midterms?
Biden has two years left?
unidentified
It got this bad that fast?
tim pool
Yes!
Man, hate to say, I told you so.
John Kirsten says, last two days, no notification on when live started, but got one Monday.
WTF, YouTube?
What are you gonna do?
I think YouTube would love to end this show.
Algorithmically, they can't just delete it.
I mean, they technically could, but it would create a big splash, and they try to avoid that.
So what they do is, removing notifications makes it so slightly less and less people will find the show.
The only problem for YouTube is that we have strong draw, and people choose to come and watch the show.
So thank you all who do, and y'all share the show.
So when a notification doesn't go out, here's the good news.
Y'all can be the notification.
So if YouTube wants to jam us up, not put up notifications, even for those who have selected it, all you have to do is take the URL to this video and post it on any social media you can, and that will be ten times more powerful than any notification.
luke rudkowski
Wait, you guys get notifications here?
tim pool
Yeah, Luke's been a shadow hater.
luke rudkowski
I haven't had that for years!
tim pool
Luke Fredsel says, Chris cheated.
Ian needs justice.
Free the September 6th prisoners.
Castcastle Union is crooked.
If you guys haven't been watching Castcastle, there's a funny story arc going on where Ian runs for union president, but a bunch of early ballots come in at 3am and Chris ends up winning.
And so, uh, yeah.
Brother Brovet says, YouTube didn't send notices.
Link to the show is bad.
Well, there you go.
Y'all still found the show somehow.
So thanks for tuning in.
Mount Jeeves says, they get away with it because the people they look to tell them to vote and wait to be saved instead of organizing.
Well, I gotta, I gotta, uh, halt a little bit of that comment because we are, uh, first of all, it's a little too spicy.
And we are less than two months away from an election where we actually have prominent MAGA Republicans, America First Republicans, who are set to win.
We've got, you know, people like Cory Mills in Florida.
We've got people like Kerry Lake, the governor of Arizona.
You are so close to tasting a real victory.
You should get your friends to go vote.
Seriously.
Eric Miller says, Tim, I'm hearing due to supply constraints that Congress could deny the railway rights to strike.
Could be why JB and the Dems aren't worried.
Yeah, what do you guys think about that with the railway strike?
Could they stop the strike from happening?
derek harvey
The president has the authority.
devin nunes
I think they would.
derek harvey
It can delay for a while.
I'm not sure how long it is.
tim pool
But like, what if, you know, this is what I was, I never understood.
I was told it was like illegal for firefighters or cops to strike.
And I'm like, oh yeah, you could just not show up.
Like, what are they going to do if you're like, then I'm out, I quit.
This is why I don't like unions.
This is why I despise unions.
You got a company, right?
This is a thousand people.
And what's happening with the company, it's really, really bad.
The wages are really bad.
They're not able to feed their families.
And they say, you know what?
I've had enough.
Who's with me?
Well, collective bargaining is awesome.
All of these people can then just be like, then we're out.
We are not going to work and we agree.
But now with these union laws, they're like, we can legally stop you from striking.
And I'm like, well, no one's stopping you from quitting.
So the collective bargaining is still there.
I think the problem with unions is that they actually hinder people's ability to organize properly.
People should organize more.
luke rudkowski
I think the Biden administration is the administration of chaos.
And I think it's not something that they want to prevent.
I think it's something that they want to spur on because it's going to work in their benefit when it comes to the larger destruction of our economy that they have been already engineering.
But that's just my opinion.
devin nunes
If they strike, I mean, let's take my part of California.
You know, you have to remember we're an agricultural area.
We have living animals, right, that rely on grain imported.
I mean, one of the reasons why the United States is such a strong country is because we can feed ourselves.
We have more food here than we can consume.
But if the food can't move around the country, especially when you have living animals that rely on that grain from the Midwest, You could be facing, that's just one little example of, like you don't have, like if the trains don't run for three or four days, within a week we have starving animals in California.
derek harvey
You don't have the commodities going to the Kellogg's factories or Purina or others that gets processed into real food.
devin nunes
Remember how crazy they went about the baby food crisis?
The baby formula crisis?
I mean you could have that on a large scale.
I mean there is no way they can let these trains shut down.
derek harvey
And then coal, coal for power and fuel oil.
tim pool
We're going to go back to wood.
unidentified
Yes.
derek harvey
Well, wood is not a carbon emitter when you burn it.
The EPA says wood is natural, therefore we're not going to regulate it.
unidentified
What?
derek harvey
Right.
It's not.
tim pool
You know, I'm going to build a steam engine.
I'm going to build a wood powered steam engine.
Generate electricity with wood.
You know, I've been thinking about it.
People tell me to get a diesel generator, and I'll be like, you get an engine that spins.
Okay, why don't I just build my own steam engine with a piston?
I'll just do that.
Then I'll power my house with trees.
Yeah, what are they gonna do about it?
devin nunes
Or move to Florida.
tim pool
There you go.
What is that?
or two so but Florida sunny rant milk says Tim pool would you kindly turn my
TV off the next time you steal my spoons so what is that so they're like you know
with shows like this come stalkers and there is there was one person it was one
of my favorite they claimed on Twitter that I showed up to their house at 2 a.m.
thousands of miles away from where the studio is and walked in their house and
turned their TVs on and it woke up their family and they were really pissed off
that it happened and people believed it they actually like wow I can't I can
believe he would do that haha so crazy and I'm like bro I don't I'm thousands
of miles away from this place why would you believe that I did that because
unidentified
people are insane they want to believe They do.
tim pool
Augusto Mimoshe says, as a Libertarian and Ron Paul supporter, I demand an apology, and I told you so rights from conservatives for the Patriot Act, et cetera.
That's correct.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, a lot of Ron Paul Libertarians were warning Republicans that the powers that they have given themselves after 9-11 will eventually be used against them, and I think that's what's happening here.
devin nunes
Yeah, well, I mentioned that.
I think, you know, we were talking about the creation of the DNI.
The one thing that you do have to remember about the Patriot Act.
If you look at all the crimes that have been committed recently, it actually, it's even worse than the Patriot Act.
You have to actually go back 30 years and the creation of the FISA court, which had nothing to do that.
So it's not even the Patriot Act.
It's going all the way back to what was done after the Church Commission in the 1970s and 80s.
So, and Rand, Paul and I have talked about this, you know, at nauseam.
luke rudkowski
That was a very important commission that revealed a lot.
devin nunes
Yeah, and laws were put in, and now those laws are being broke.
From that time, it's not just the ones that were put in after 9-11.
You have to go all the way back to, I forget, I think it's 78, I think.
tim pool
I was just thinking of something, you know, I totally, I'm going to derail totally.
But one of the segments we've done, we did for two days ago, it's called TikTok is making young girls completely insane.
And it's getting hundreds of thousands of hits.
It's like going viral on YouTube.
And I'm like, why that one?
Why is our segment about TikTok making young girls insane, just getting like hundreds of thousands of hits?
And you know, even right now, and then I went, Oh, I wonder if it's because YouTube doesn't want TikTok to succeed.
So YouTube is actively promoting us ragging on TikTok because it benefits YouTube.
And then I'm like, I'll rag on TikTok all day if you want to rag on TikTok.
TikTok's bad.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
tim pool
China spying on Americans?
Yeah, okay.
We're in agreement there, YouTube.
Prop up my videos.
luke rudkowski
Well, their algorithm is totally different for American children than it is for Chinese children.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
luke rudkowski
And you could see the degradation of our society that's being influenced by these social media programs, and it's wild.
It's crazy.
tim pool
More promoting TimCast segments and ragging on TikTok.
How about that?
unidentified
All right.
Perfect.
luke rudkowski
I'm gonna make a TikTok video tomorrow.
devin nunes
And true social, too.
tim pool
And true social, of course.
Ginger McIsaac says, Devon, I voted for you.
Also started Save the Endangered California Farmer.
You were one of my first members.
Thanks for all you did for the beleaguered farmers.
By the way, taxifornia refugino.
devin nunes
See?
Another one.
tim pool
Another person fled.
devin nunes
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
It's a bummer.
devin nunes
Thank you, by the way.
tim pool
Tom Bear says, Senate Intel on both sides helped spread this hoax.
Dick Burr, a drunk hack, Lady G, etc.
Durham has always been a cleaner for the regime.
See what he did in the Bulger intrigues in the CIA black sites.
Facts.
I don't know.
Maybe.
devin nunes
We'll see.
We'll see what Durham comes up with here.
We're getting ready for a trial.
tim pool
Who's facing trial right now?
devin nunes
Danchenko.
Durham's going to be the prosecutor.
He's the guy who was the secret Russian source that was actually a Democrat operative.
derek harvey
And a confidential human source.
devin nunes
Yeah, that was the joke.
We started out with he's the guy who's now the confidential human source that they hid from us.
derek harvey
And Stephen Helper was a confidential human source.
tim pool
Aaron Elizabeth says, it's a wish order.
We ordered Trump but got Devin.
JK.
Love you man.
unidentified
Connecticut is going red.
tim pool
Don't count us out.
We are pissed.
Yeah, so the other night we were like, we're gonna have a big show tomorrow.
And then I guess because Trump was in DC, everybody was like, Trump, come on, you know, and then when when Devin shows up, they're like, Oh, yeah, but now I'm gonna be literally disappointed now that the tick tockers are gonna do better than the Colonel Harvey and I. Yeah, but if it was any other day, you know, Robert Muir says, Muir, stop letting others define whom you are.
To you, people will say whatever they want about you.
There's nothing you can really do about it.
That is what it is.
But to yourself, you can always know who you are.
Richard Leis says, ask Devin if he thinks Obama is pulling all the strings with these scandals.
devin nunes
Yes.
tim pool
Oh, that was easy.
devin nunes
Yeah.
unidentified
No, I mean, if you look at who's running the White House right now, Susan Rice.
devin nunes
Yeah, it's Susan Rice.
And Monaco was involved in the Russia hoax.
And you have Jake Sullivan.
They were all involved in the Russia hoax.
They've all been promoted.
derek harvey
Aren't they bringing Podesta back, too?
devin nunes
And Podesta's coming back, too.
Yeah.
They just recycle through.
I mean, it's all the same people.
derek harvey
And speaking of recycling, you look at the number of senior FBI and senior Democratic DOJ officials, like Baker, who go to Facebook or go to Twitter or go to these other social media companies as senior people.
And then they spend some time there and then they go back and they go back into DNI or someplace like that.
There's this relationship and we can't seem to get into it.
luke rudkowski
Obama even said that he would love to come back as president, but not be president, but be the person calling all the shots behind the scenes a couple years ago.
So he's been making statements about this possible reality.
tim pool
Chris Pavotto says, for anyone else door knocking or with colleagues, talking with colleagues about voting, when the economy and inflation comes up, ask, isn't it crazy why those in control at D.C.
haven't pushed for a federal minimum wage increase?
I think it's a good point.
You know, the argument, you have a lot of Democrats talking about all these problems, but they're not actually pursuing what many of the Democratic voters are asking for.
Not that I think it'll solve the problem.
derek harvey
I had a voter the other day make the point that the Democrats in Washington D.C.
are doing to their constituents, their policies are undermining and attacking minorities, immigrants of all types, lower income people because of inflation, their tax structures, the IRS.
It's going to go after all of them.
Their policies are going after who they claim to be their base.
devin nunes
I mean, look, D.C.
has changed over the, you know, when I first went there.
I mean, it used to be, you know, a city where, you know, you had a large African-American population, and largely that population's been pushed out, been pushed out into Maryland.
And D.C.' 's like this new, like, I mean, it's, I don't know if it's got, it's got to have one of the highest per capita incomes in the country.
I mean, there's new apartment numbers, there's cranes everywhere, the construction's never stopped, and essentially the city has become a place for young 1%-er liberals.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
Benjamin Dover.
Interesting name there, Ben.
Mr. Dover, first name Ben.
Railroad is going to strike and things will get much, much worse.
Food, energy, and fuel prices to the moon.
Part of me thinks that they will not be able to stop this strike, and part of me thinks they want the strike to happen.
Just with how bad everything's gotten, and this idea of the Great Reset, you will own nothing and you'll be happy.
luke rudkowski
Artificial scarcity.
tim pool
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they're like, oh no, a rail strike and now there's no food anymore.
unidentified
Whoops.
derek harvey
Well, what could they come up with?
Because it's a crisis and they'll take advantage of any crisis to push through new programs and new authorities.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, they're telling farmers in the Netherlands to stop farming while they're also saying there's going to be a major food shortage because of Ukraine.
So something doesn't add up.
Just the way it is.
Fire of destruction.
Says, uh, Tim, I listen while I drive at work.
That said, I love the guests you have on.
I also listen to The Quartering, and he said he's trying to pass you in subs in today's episodes.
In today's episode.
Well, uh, you know, good for him.
I, uh, I don't know what to say, what to say about, I don't really pay attention to any of that stuff.
I remember, uh, you know, when we started Timcast IRL, I had two other channels that were, you know, had large followings.
And if the whole mentality of starting a channel was, we have to get more subs, we have to get bigger, I think you would lose what makes a channel actually work.
We did the show because we had fun doing it, and we just keep doing it.
And subscriber growth slowed down in an off-season year.
In primary years, presidential primaries and presidential elections, the subscriber growth is just bonkers.
Because everybody's now wrapped up in politics, you know?
So it's going to get, it's going to get crazy for everybody in politics in this, in this coming year.
And then 2024 is 2024 is going to be insane.
luke rudkowski
2023 building up to it.
tim pool
It's going to be, Oh, I know it's going to be nuts.
I mean, the fact that they're already gearing up for the presidential cycle in 2022 is just like, yeah.
luke rudkowski
And numbers don't matter anymore.
Your subscribers don't matter.
It's the algorithm that matters.
And a lot of people go crazy on YouTube, just chasing these numbers and it's not a healthy lifestyle.
tim pool
Yeah.
How many subs does, uh, does Jeremy even have anyway?
luke rudkowski
No idea.
tim pool
He's got, let's see, he's got 1.29 million subs.
Oh, you know, good for him.
lydia smith
Really close, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, cool.
We like Jeremy, he's a cool dude.
He gave us a lot of money when we got swatted.
lydia smith
A lot of coffee.
tim pool
He was selling his coffee.
He was like 500 bucks.
No, I think he gave us more than that, didn't he?
I don't know.
He was multiple channels or something.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Alright, alright, let's grab some more.
Let's grab some more of a...
Musically Assured Destruction says, will Putin try to force Ukraine to be neutral?
This way nobody has it.
I mean, I guess a wasteland is neutral, right?
derek harvey
Yeah, I don't, I mean, neutrality isn't what he wants.
tim pool
All right.
Iggy the Incubus has a question for Devin.
What was the biggest high and low of your time in government?
Do you believe that it can still be fixed?
If so, how?
unidentified
Hmm.
devin nunes
Well, a lot of good stories.
I think I talked earlier about the, you know, when I had the best job, you know, to the, to the worst job, but in many ways, as bad as the job was at the, there at the end with the Russia hoax, I mean, at least, at least we were able to tell the American people the truth.
And at least that, at least that's, that's out there probably a, you know, one of my funniest stories in, in politics was I had a guy, this was when I was first elected.
He called me, called the office, and he said, I have a bear in my backyard and he's eating the fruit off my trees.
And I said, well, there's not really much we can do about it.
You've got to call Fish and Game, blah, blah, blah, let us help you.
And he said, no, no, no, I want you to come out and kill the bear.
So finally he kept so I said finally I told one of my my district director at the time I said would you just go because we thought maybe the guy was just going a little senile because he sounded like he was really old and and he was really old and went out there he's old World War II that and got it there the guy was kind of lonely and I'll be damned if the bear wasn't there and so when we tried to work with the all the Fish and Game Commission all these people to try to go kill the damn bear And usually they would capture it and take it off.
And so the guy kept calling, kept calling, kept calling.
Finally, we just said, OK, screw it.
And a couple of guys that I know said, look, we'll just go kill the bear for the guy.
And so they went out there to kill the bear.
And the guy says, you know, I just like you guys coming out here.
And I really don't have any friends.
My wife died.
And please don't shoot the bear.
But will you guys keep coming out and just hang out?
unidentified
Wow.
devin nunes
It was a cool story.
tim pool
All right, here's one.
Liquid Logic says, Can Devin Nunes provide insight into why Assange was not pardoned by Trump?
And will Trump make a commitment to pardon Assange if he runs in 2024?
Trump would win in a landslide by winning independents and moderates.
devin nunes
Oh, that's it.
You know, the Asajj situation is one that there's just not a lot of information.
And I know people are very passionate about it that, you know, on the kind of that front.
But, you know, we just don't, there's so much that is unknown about it, about Asajj, that, you know, because we, you know, many people, I mean, I think even I think even Sean Hannity went over there, um, you know, and tried to get him, you know, several, you know, several prominent people have tried to get Asajj to like, Hey, kind of let, Hey, this is your chance.
Give us everything you have.
And he's never truly came forward with everything that he has.
tim pool
I would run his credibility.
devin nunes
No, I realized, but he couldn't do it, but he's in a, but it's, it's kind of a catch 22 situation because if he doesn't do it, then, you know, then people are going to say he broke the law.
tim pool
I think it's all BS.
Obama, I think, went after more whistleblowers and journalists under the Espionage Act than all other presidents combined, if that's the case.
Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, they accepted leaks and they published them, but the New York Times does the exact same thing.
The issue is that WikiLeaks was just very effective, and it was out of their reach.
So, at the very least, you can look at what they did with Julian Assange in Sweden.
They first get him locked up under some ridiculous claims about Swedish, you know, rape laws or something, because a condom broke, which is ridiculous, and then ultimately drop those as soon as the U.S.
intervenes.
And I think it was, correct me if I'm wrong, Luke, it was Trump that ordered the raid on the Ecuadorian embassy, right?
luke rudkowski
It was under his administration, I believe.
I gotta fact check that to be completely honest with you.
tim pool
My view is that I think Trump wanted to bring Assange over here because he knew Assange had answers about what was going on and could provide some evidence and testimony.
Assange won't do it because Wikipedia won't, he wouldn't give up his credibility.
luke rudkowski
There was allegedly an offer from the Trump administration asking Assange to reveal his sources of the leak and Assange said he wouldn't do that.
That's the story allegedly that we heard from a mutual friend of ours.
unidentified
Yep.
derek harvey
I'm not sure Trump was involved in any of it.
I'm not sure it would get to his level.
luke rudkowski
It was under his administration.
unidentified
Right.
derek harvey
No, I understand.
tim pool
I mean, he's publicly talked about WikiLeaks.
luke rudkowski
Well, this is the conflicting part.
He said he loved WikiLeaks.
He loved what Julian Assange did.
He promoted the leaks and he came out there on the campaign and he was like all for it.
And then when he was asked about it later on during his political career, he was like, Julian Assange who?
WikiLeaks who?
And he acted like he didn't know who they were.
So there's a big difference between his later statements and his earlier statements.
tim pool
I don't know a whole lot about the Ross Ulbricht thing.
I think you might know more than that.
Yes.
luke rudkowski
That's a big case as well.
tim pool
But people are saying he should be pardoned.
He should have been pardoned.
luke rudkowski
Assange should have been pardoned.
FreeRoss.org, I think, has a website detailing that particular circumstance, which also is egregious from my point of view.
tim pool
I think Trump should have pardoned all non-violent drug offenders, like, who didn't plead down.
So it's like people who had, you know, varying degrees of pot, he just meant like we're pardoning all of it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, there's a lot of people that definitely deserved pardons, but, you know, Kodak Black, like, definitely makes you wonder what was going on there.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What do you guys think about the Bannon stuff?
You know, the accusations that he was swindling money or whatever from Trump supporters?
devin nunes
I mean, look, it's New York that's going after him.
Blue state, deep blue.
He was already pardoned federally.
They didn't seem to ever have a case against him.
And I think he's being targeted.
I mean, look at how you've got the same people that are going after Trump.
They're doing the same thing in Georgia.
It's the weaponization of the justice system.
And I mean, look, if you're going to go after people for Look, what Bannon has said publicly about this over and over again, he hasn't hid from it.
He's been very, from what I can tell, very transparent about what they were doing.
You know, look, it's not something that I would do, but it just seems like he's a political target.
derek harvey
By this standard, you'd have to be investigating, charging, and bringing to prosecution thousands of these nonprofit people.
Thousands.
Yeah.
But the standard's not being applied across the board.
It's selective.
tim pool
Yep.
Dan Ines says, I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today, is from Popeye.
The character's name is Wimpy.
In the Robin Williams movie, he even sings a song about it.
derek harvey
Who knows this stuff?
tim pool
Oh, the audience knows everything.
It's the wisdom of the crowd, man.
lydia smith
They really do.
tim pool
Wimpy.
derek harvey
This is crowdsourcing.
That's right.
tim pool
Man, a lot of people are pointing out that they're not getting notifications anymore, and, uh, you know, we're working on a mobile app.
And so, I'm just imagining, it's gonna be great, y'all will download the mobile app, and then at, like, 7.55, a little thing will go, and it'll be like, we're live in five minutes, come hang out.
That'll be super cool.
devin nunes
As long as you can get on the Google Play Store.
tim pool
Yeah, I think it's time.
We'll see, though.
That's crazy how they do that, though.
devin nunes
We're still waiting.
We're on the Apple App Store, but we're not on the Google Play Store, even though we have a very family-friendly, clean platform.
tim pool
Just put it on the website.
You can put the APQ on your website.
devin nunes
We actually have that, or you can go do it.
But, you know, if you're under the age of 40, 45, people that have Androids know how to do that.
But if you're like my dad's age, you only know how to use the Google Play Store.
derek harvey
Yeah.
devin nunes
Makes it very complicated.
tim pool
It's attrition.
Making it hard enough to hinder you is good enough, you know?
devin nunes
Right.
tim pool
Wiseguyisadick says, don't do a steam engine, do a wood-powered gasifier.
You can use hydrogen gas to power everything.
Really?
Well, I don't know how that would work.
The only thing that I can think of in my mind that I could probably build from scratch is a steam engine, because it's a relatively simple thing to build.
Granted, I'm not talking about actually making the metals or anything, but I could buy the parts, and I have a general concept of how to make a steam engine.
But I don't know what a gasifier is.
I actually watched a YouTube video on how to make a steam engine, it's really cool.
They had a glass one.
And it's like a little Bunsen burner, or a little candle.
And then it just makes a piston spin a wheel.
Good fun stuff, steam engine stuff.
derek harvey
No, we used to have thousands and thousands of little little dams and all these creeks and little rivers.
You know, Wisconsin, Illinois, a lot of communities had them.
They generated electricity just for their small towns.
They're all gone.
But if we want to clean energy.
tim pool
Yeah, why don't we do that?
The water just keeps flowing.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And if you don't have the water, you die anyway.
So what will you care about electricity?
You got to leave.
derek harvey
Oh, but there's probably a minnow there we need to protect.
tim pool
Yeah, that's what's happening right now in the Delta, right?
The fish?
unidentified
Delta smelt.
tim pool
No, that's the smelt.
Delta smelt.
unidentified
Boops Boops.
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
What?
lydia smith
Boops Boops.
Yes, its species name is Boops Boops.
Look it up.
Fact check me on it.
unidentified
Boops Boops.
I love it.
lydia smith
Delta smelt.
Yes.
You're welcome.
unidentified
Boops Boops.
lydia smith
You're welcome.
tim pool
All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.
Mission says, I'm originally from Fresno, California.
They love Devin Nunes out there.
He will be missed.
Thank you, sir.
Why do people call Sanger CA the chankula?
The chankula?
Always wondered.
lydia smith
Chankla?
tim pool
Chankla?
I don't know.
Is that what it is?
devin nunes
Chankla?
I can't see it.
It's the print.
It's too small there.
tim pool
It's the flip-flop.
The chankula.
unidentified
Yeah.
devin nunes
Well, you know, I don't know.
I mean, Sanger is a beautiful little city.
Lots of homeless there now, too, just like my home city, but not far from where I live.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
I want to mention real quick, too, before we wrap up, I think we're going to do a car giveaway.
We're going to be giving, yeah, we're planning it, and more information to come soon.
It's going to be really fun, really fun.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I was thinking about doing an RV giveaway as well.
lydia smith
You done with your RV, Luke?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it'll be good to upgrade.
derek harvey
What kind of car?
Electric?
tim pool
A 2004 Chevy Cobalt with 216,000 miles on it.
Okay, okay, yeah.
I don't think he can move, but we were at a car dealership and we were getting a new work vehicle and then someone traded it in and then we looked at it and it was like, you know, and then I think my brother was just like, how much do you want for that?
And it was like a couple hundred bucks.
They were like, I guess.
Trading it in, but there's no real value to it.
You can take it now.
And so now we have this just ridiculous car for no reason.
And then I was like, we should, we should do a giveaway, like a sweepstakes and we'll make an ad for it.
Cause I always see these ads on Facebook where it's like, you could win a Maserati.
And so we're going to do like, you could win this car.
And it's got 216,000 miles on it.
unidentified
Hey man.
devin nunes
Actually, Colonel Harvey's got several of those.
He's, like, into collecting Cherokee Jeeps.
derek harvey
Yeah, I have a 92, a 96, and a 98 Jeep Cherokee Sports, and one's really nice.
I mean, I got it lifted up and, you know, it's good for off-road.
tim pool
Right on.
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Do you want to shout anything out?
devin nunes
Hey, just thanks a lot.
It's been a real pleasure to be out here, and we're looking forward to having you down in Florida.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Thanks for coming, man.
It's been fun.
devin nunes
Solar panels, steam engines, whatever you need.
tim pool
Derek, you've been on the show several times, but do you want to shout anything out?
You're running for office, too, I think, right?
derek harvey
Yeah, I'm running for County Commissioner in Washington County, right here where we're at.
And if you want to check me out or make a donation online, it's at VoteDerekHarvey.com.
That's D-E-R-E-K H-A-R-V-E-Y.
luke rudkowski
Awesome.
My YouTube channel is WeAreChange, and something really weird and strange is going on there.
But if you want to see my information downloads with my co-host Atlas, you can.
YouTube.com forward slash WeAreChange.
Hope to see you there.
Thanks for having me.
lydia smith
Thank you guys very much for tuning in this evening.
We very much appreciate it, as always.
Even though you didn't get the notification, you guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sarah Petulitz, as well as SarahPetulitz.me.
tim pool
We'll see all of you at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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