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Timcast IRL - Dem Media Says Civil War IS NOW, Biden Speech Likened To War Speech w/Matt Kibbe
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hannah claire brimelow
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tim pool
you So MSNBC told me that civil war is starting.
So you guys don't get to drink because I didn't say it.
They said it.
Don't look at me.
I'm just sitting here, you know, I'm sitting here minding my own business.
And then Joe Biden comes out with red lights and the Marines yelling about how half the country is all evil and everything.
And then MSNBC, they said the civil war is now.
Literally, Tiffany Cross said it feels like Civil War is here, and previously said Civil War is here.
And so, if that's true, MSNBC, and Joe Biden did come out and say the things that he said, that is a declaration of war.
There's tons of prominent Democrat personalities likening this to 1860 and 1940, saying that this is a presidential wartime speech.
That's what they think.
So I'll tell you this, to those that don't think you're in some kind of civil war, that's the advantage they have, the element of surprise.
That when the feds go after Donald Trump, when they raid his house, when they start going after the lawyers, they just tell you, oh, it's all normal, it's not a civil war, and people sit back and just watch.
But if MSNBC said it, Far be it for me to tell them they're wrong.
They're MSNBC.
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Joining us to talk about all of this news and more is Matt Kibbe.
matt kibbe
Hey, it's good to be back.
I am the head of an organization called Free the People.
I'm also the host of Kibbe on Liberty, a podcast that's co-produced by Free the People and Blaze TV.
Our whole thing is to tell beautiful stories about liberty and to connect with people at an emotional level.
And not just do the typical libertarian thing where we just sort of bombard people with logic and facts and all and downward sloping demand curves and all that stuff that economists do.
Because I realized quite a bit ago that I was the unusual one, and that most people process the world through their emotions.
Tim, you talk about this all the time, that culture is upstream of politics.
And so we We want to turn people on.
My team is basically a video production crew.
I have actors and artists and people that want to tell beautiful stories.
Some of those stories are uplifting and some of them are devastatingly dark.
tim pool
Right on.
Thanks for joining me.
Thanks for joining me.
We also have Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
hannah claire brimelow
Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
lydia smith
Yeah, sure.
ian crossland
She was right.
She was right.
Hey, Matt, I'm glad you're here, man.
I'm Ian Crosland.
Obviously, if you don't know already, it's right behind me.
Don't forget it.
I'm glad you're talking about emotions, man.
I was thinking last night, what do I do in this show?
I listen to what people think and why they feel the way they feel.
matt kibbe
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's so important.
Everyone's different, you know, and you start to learn about humanity when you get a piece of everybody.
Thanks for being here, man.
lydia smith
Thank you.
100%.
We were talking last night about how feelings don't care about facts, which is something that I came up with on my own because I started to realize that this is why I think conservatives lose, and definitely libertarians.
Good for you for making a difference.
Me and my little T-Rex arm are over here.
Let's get this party started.
tim pool
So the first story we're going to go to, we're going to check in with our good friends over at the Babylon Bee.
And over at the Babylon Bee, every single article, okay, almost, all the new ones, are the image of Joe Biden with the red lights and the Marines behind him, yelling.
And we have, Biden abolishes office of president and names self Supreme Führer.
Biden signs non-aggression pact with Poland, haha.
Biden announces invasion of Poland.
Bravo, Babylon Bee!
So, uh, here's the story from Newsweek.
Joe Biden compared to Adolf Hitler by Trump loyalists.
Not just Trump loyalists.
Many people are comparing him to Hitler, whether they like Trump or not.
Y'all are just in a cult.
But Newsweek, you know, I'll give some respect to because they have, uh, Bhatia Angusargan, who's, uh, she's actually pretty good and tries to keep things a bit balanced.
So that's okay.
I'll give him that one.
But take a look at this photo.
We got to show this photo from the previous night.
We did that watch party, but this photo has taken the internet by storm.
This is a creepy photo.
Everybody who is sane is questioning the judgment of the White House team.
Joe Rogan?
Yeah, Joe Rogan.
Of course, Joe.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But Joe, I mean, Joe recently said vote Republicans.
lydia smith
All the normal people, normal guys.
ian crossland
Even Sam Harris said the optics were bad on this one.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
Yes, but Sam Harris.
ian crossland
And then he said, but something something about my hatred of Trump.
tim pool
Sam Harris has gone insane.
I tweeted like, you need an intervention, bro.
But we'll get into that.
I want to say we'll talk about Sam Harris.
After the trigonometry fiasco.
I mean, this is a prominent piece, but he is a perfect example of what's happening now.
So, if we point out here, Marjorie Taylor Greene, look at this.
She tweeted, What we all saw tonight from Biden.
I guess when President Butterbeans is frail, weak, and dementia-ridden, the Hitler imagery was their attempt to make him look tough while he declares war on half of America as enemies of the state.
Oh, or it's real.
Twitter blocked this video, and it says the following media includes potentially sensitive content.
I'm gonna click it.
Are you ready?
Click.
Oh, it's Biden with a fake mustache and swastikas behind him.
So we had to bring in a libertarian to ask us what's happening?
Is Joe Biden declaring himself the Supreme Chancellor?
Is he asserting that for the security and prosperity, the American Republic will be reformed to the first American empire?
matt kibbe
So I didn't think of Hitler.
I thought of Daenerys Targaryen in that last, I think it's the last episode where she goes, I guess she goes full Nazi in that.
But yeah, like the imagery is super creepy and I think that everyone should be a little bit freaked out about it.
But obviously this wasn't an accident.
They didn't like forget to frame the shot and realize that it was going to be this blood red kind of imagery.
And so the question is, is he desperately talking to his base because he knows he's going to get trounced in the midterms?
And the only thing he has left, like, you know, the economy sucks and people are paying so much for gas and groceries and there's so much collateral damage caused by lockdowns, is the only thing he has left is to get every single person that's turned on by the authoritarian imagery His brain's broken?
in the midterms or is it about...
His brain's broken?
Is it real?
Like is it real?
Oh yeah.
Is it real?
tim pool
I think it's real.
ian crossland
Well they asked him today, I think Peter Doocy asked him,
do you really think that the Trump supporters are, Do you have this?
tim pool
Are a threat to?
ian crossland
Or a threat.
Do you really think the Trump supporters are a threat?
He said, I don't think any Trump supporters are a threat.
tim pool
And last night he was saying... He's demented, dude.
Come on.
ian crossland
Like, so I think he, what he really thinks is a threat is cultism.
And he's pointing out Trump's cult because he was just president.
But cultism is dangerous.
tim pool
That makes no sense.
If he's saying, I don't think any Trump supporters are a threat, but he's talking about a cult, and he thinks Trump supporters are in a cult, that makes no sense.
ian crossland
It's like he's saying the cultism of Trump is dangerous, but the people themselves are not a threat.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
I think he's walking it back.
Somebody tweeted, they said the overnights must have been really, really bad on this one.
Oh, for sure.
ian crossland
That picture came out like 10 minutes after the speech.
tim pool
So bad.
I bet they were.
When that photo came out, let's grab that photo again.
When this photo came out of Biden, Like, it's crazy, dude.
The red lights with him going, yeah!
hannah claire brimelow
And just one person had to be like, instead of it being blue, red, blue, why don't we have it be red, blue?
Like, it would have been a totally different game.
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It would be still weird, but like... This picture's never going away.
tim pool
I think they know it and they know it.
ian crossland
One of the networks slowly tweaked it and made it pink.
tim pool
CNN.
ian crossland
CNN did.
tim pool
Really?
They knew.
ian crossland
And there was blue just outside on either sides, but they cropped it.
hannah claire brimelow
Someone was like, this is a great idea.
We're going to write the speech and you know what?
We're going to be super patriotic and we're going to put red right behind him and we're going to do it at night.
So it's black and red.
ian crossland
It was to scare people.
hannah claire brimelow
It looks crazy.
The other part is this whole speech, he's just throwing out buzzwords.
I mean, he says that MAGA supporters are extremists or threat.
He says that they're threats to democracy.
He invokes Charlottesville.
Like he is doing anything he can to be like Supporting Donald Trump is supporting the worst of the worst, and I need you to be on my side because otherwise you are against the foundation of America.
This is a crazy statement.
matt kibbe
It's like classic othering the other team, right?
And this is what every authoritarian has done through history.
You dehumanize the opposition so that you can do what you need to do.
I don't think it's a mistake.
And the question is, does he mean, like, I don't know what Joe Biden means
because he's reading a script.
But I don't think he knows.
But his team wrote that with very much a purpose of minimizing the humanity of half of America.
And that's what's so creepy about it.
hannah claire brimelow
He even has that line where he says, like, not every Republican is like that.
It's just that their party is dominated.
And it's like an invite to be like Adam Kinzinger.
Like, you either need to align with the Democratic Party, even if you keep the name Republican.
tim pool
It'll throw you out.
I was talking to a friend about what we learned of our true friends when the cult started forming.
And I was saying that we've known people our whole lives.
And all of a sudden, these people don't want to be friends anymore, or they're not answering texts, or they're walking away.
I mean, Larry Elder told us stories like this.
And what you realize then is these people will say or do anything to appear cool or to be socially accepted.
But in reality, they're all just terrified, and they're just saying, whoever I fear the most, I will pretend to be like.
So sure enough, as soon as Biden loses, and he will because this stuff never wins.
It never does.
I mean, there are periods where autocrats gain power and then they lose power in the end.
It never lasts forever.
All of these people who defend this lie for it.
They'll come out and be like, well, I was always against it.
And then what you need to realize is right now we're kind of lucky in that you can see who is actually a thinking person.
You can see who is actually your real friend because you can ask them a simple question and see if their brain can process it.
So there are a lot of people I know that I'm like, huh, I wouldn't have known that they were a duplicitous scumbag until now.
So I'd like to thank the cult for exposing all of these people.
matt kibbe
So Fauci came out recently and said I was always against lockdowns.
The Biden administration announced a couple days ago that they were the ones that got children back into schools.
Clearly, the policies of this administration, and I would even broaden it, the policies of lockdowns, and dehumanizing people, and telling people they can't speak, telling people they can't leave their house, telling people that they can't go to their job and feed their families, this is all coming to a head.
Which goes back to my theory that the only thing that the Democrats have is this otherizing and demonizing and getting every single hardcore Democrat, the 34% or whatever it is, to show up in the midterms.
Because midterms are low turnout elections.
Clearly the people that have been damaged are going to show up.
And they're not showing up for Biden, they're showing up for something else.
And that's the catastrophic future that they're facing.
tim pool
They knew this in 2020, and they feel the same way now.
Biden does not rally anyone.
What gets people to vote is the hatred of Donald Trump.
So they've been planning this for some time.
We saw them propping up MAGA Republicans.
They were trying to get MAGA Republicans to win, because they knew this was the trajectory.
Now that the primaries are coming to an end, the goal?
Demonize MAGA.
Hit them all at once.
That's the plan.
ian crossland
You know, one of the things that bothers me is he was saying that he thinks that anyone that questions a free and fair election is a danger, which I kind of like, okay.
tim pool
Well, how can you say that about Hillary Clinton?
ian crossland
Well, she did actually question the 2016 election.
tim pool
She never stopped.
ian crossland
But the big problem is when you have election tallies being calculated on a proprietary voting machine in secret, that's... I would not just...
Default, consider that free and fair, because it's in secret, it's being tallied.
I can't see if it's free and fair.
I can't see.
I need to see the code.
tim pool
Did you see what Carrie Lake said?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
She was asked about this, like, isn't Donald Trump, you know, he's threatening democracy or whatever, and she was, like, asking about elections.
Like every Democrat did after, you know, the 2016 election.
She said, people have a right to question the process, and how is that anti-American or a threat to this country or whatever?
That's an insane prospect.
What they want to do with the classified documents thing, they want you to think there is an authority above the president when it comes to classified documents.
They want you to think that Trump needed permission from someone.
matt kibbe
The National Archives, by the way.
tim pool
Right.
They want you to think that as commander-in-chief, you do not have the authority as the duly elected, you know, president or whatever to do these things.
And this is, every step of the way, they're trying to make you think that you actually don't have the right to be involved in the process.
When you come out and say, hey, we're doing a free and fair election, so I want to see those numbers on a, you know, Open source machine or the public could have access to the code, the source code, and we should be able to see them tally.
Yeah, yeah.
Of, by, and for the people.
That's the United States.
They're trying to erase all of that and make you think that there's someone else you have to bend the knee to.
matt kibbe
Yeah, did anyone else not know that the National Archives were the final arbiter of what was legal for the president to take?
lydia smith
I did not know that.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's fascinating our country's highest authority is the acting archivist of the United States.
Librarians everywhere are like, I had no idea this was such a path to power.
matt kibbe
Could there be a worse form of hell than the librarians taking full control?
lydia smith
Seriously.
Well, I was looking this up today because we were kind of talking about it with family because they were like, well, my mother-in-law actually asked, she was like, well, what did Hillary Clinton do when the FBI came for her documents?
And I was like, that's a great question.
Let's talk about that.
tim pool
They smashed their phones with hammers.
Bleach bit the server, and she was not a president.
She didn't have declassification authority.
ian crossland
She destroyed classified.
Was it proven that she destroyed classified information, or she just destroyed information?
Her staff destroyed information.
Was it her command for them?
So she commanded her staff to destroy information.
We don't know if it was classified or not, because it was destroyed.
tim pool
Well, here's how it works.
Let's say, you know, we've got a truth bomb on the table from Daily Wire.
And let's say it was evidence or something.
If I came out and said, Ian, destroy the evidence.
Well, you committed a crime.
If I said, Ian, clean the table.
Well, I didn't do anything wrong.
I just said, clean the table.
unidentified
And then Ian goes and smashes the truth bomb with a hammer.
tim pool
Nobody committed a crime.
So they're like, well, no one really did anything.
It was one guy who was just preparing a server, and she was just telling him to clean things up.
Yeah, we get it.
Let's talk about where we go from here with Joe Biden as crack pottery.
MSNBC's Eugene Robinson describes Biden's speech as urgent wartime address as network keeps evoking civil war.
Shut up, Fox News.
Network keeps evoking civil war.
Civil war is trending constantly over the past several months.
MSNBC's Tiffany Cross has claimed it feels like the civil war is here.
In fact, she said more than that.
They have a video clip here.
Let me see if... I believe this is the one.
Maybe it will play, maybe it won't.
unidentified
Alright, let's... Well, because we're listening to music before the show.
There is no let's deal with the rhetoric.
At this point, I do think we have to have serious conversations around preparing for
actual violence.
People keep saying a civil war is coming.
I would say a civil war is here.
And I don't mean to be hyperbolic.
We can look at what has happened just in the past week alone.
Since all this has happened, we've had two people try to declare war with FBI field offices.
I don't think at this point we're going to all pack up our bags and go home and sing
Kumbaya.
tim pool
She's right.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
She's 100% right.
It doesn't matter what side you're on or who you think is factually correct or morally correct.
What matters is that there were people going to FBI field offices.
One guy tried to break through.
And I said, yeah, people are getting violent.
You know, these things are happening.
And even it was Eric Weinstein.
unidentified
What is this?
tim pool
Eric Weinstein said he doesn't see a path Out of this and and I'm like, you know with like that.
That's that's that's great I've been saying that for a while and I don't mean that it's like a dig at him I'm like even he's now saying, you know, even Joe Rogan is saying I think Tim was right a civil war is coming even Erica saying I don't see a path out of this I said that a year ago I mean, violent crime has been on the rise for the last two years.
hannah claire brimelow
I think I have to look at the numbers again, but I think it coincided before the pandemic was exacerbated by the pandemic.
We obviously saw the summer of 2020, which was marked by violent riots.
You know, it's hard to say whether the Civil War Even Fort Sumter.
They didn't know if that was the start of a civil war or not.
They were shooting at each other like, well, you know, this could be nothing.
We don't know.
for it to be like, and we've begun.
And that's never in history ever been the case.
tim pool
Even Fort Sumter, they didn't know if that was the start of a civil war or not.
They were shooting at each other like, well, you know, this could be nothing, we don't know.
And people can't see the forest for the trees.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm looking at this quote from Joe Biden last night.
We can't allow violence to be normalized in this country.
But violence has been increasingly normalized in this country for so long.
tim pool
By him!
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
And how many times do we have to see, like, random person stabs elderly woman on the streets of New York before we see that violence is happening on so many levels of our society in a way that we're not used to?
tim pool
Can we get a Joe Biden clip where he's standing in front of the red, you know, shaking his fists, and then we just have like one of these lefties going, are we the baddies?
Yes, you are.
It's you cheering on law enforcement and governmental expansion and violence against regular people.
You know, I want to give a shout out to these left commentators, the social commentators, who are cheering on Joe Biden right now, who cheer on Antifa.
Because when Antifa went and smashed the windows of the working class throughout a bunch of cities in this country, they cheered for that.
That makes you the bad guys.
Like, you know, if you want to talk about evoking history or invoking history, then Crystal Noct, sure.
You were the guys who went around smashing up everyone's windows, and guess what?
You did it in black neighborhoods.
There's viral videos of people in black neighborhoods begging Antifa to stop destroying their homes.
But whatever, you didn't care, did you?
So you know what?
When these people tweet, like Ben Shapiro tweeted, you know, Biden's gone crazy, and I see Hassan and Vosh, and they're like, seethe and laughing about it.
It's like, yes, you guys, they're evil.
They don't care that Antifa went and destroyed the lives of working class people.
They're in favor of the elites and the system.
I mean, Hassan bought himself a multi-million dollar house while claiming to be a socialist.
Bravo, good sir.
That's the grift.
That's the racket.
You've done it very well.
matt kibbe
So when the lockdown started, I want to give some context to this.
When the lockdown started, the first thing that my wife and I did was go to Home Depot and buy plywood to board up the front windows on our Capitol Hill home because I had no idea what was going to happen.
But my theory was that if you lock people up and you tell them that they can't go to work and you tell them, dictating every aspect of their life, Things are going to get violent, and that's precisely what happened.
Maybe it was orchestrated, but I think another theory about what Biden is trying to accomplish, and I think this MSNBC clip proves that, is that they want someone to take the bait.
They want to be able to point to some MAGA guy that goes too far and gets violent so that their narrative completes, right?
unidentified
Yes.
matt kibbe
See?
I told you they were going to get violent.
So one way to think about, one way to, another way to think about that speech is let's goad them into doing something stupid.
lydia smith
Yes.
matt kibbe
And then that's our narrative for the election.
lydia smith
Yes.
ian crossland
I like that theory, because it seems like social chaos is brewing as a result of the lockdown.
Since September 11th, 2001, people have been out of their mind, pointing the finger at who's at fault.
It seems like an emergent phenomenon that it is a violence of desperation and that to acknowledge that would be like, well, we've been riding off the back of the Federal Reserve for 120 years.
This is what happens when you defer your monetary responsibility and let people print your economy into oblivion.
matt kibbe
Yeah, well, just think about all these things, what they've done to children and all of the developmental damage by not being able to go to school or masking, all of the people that died because they weren't allowed to go to the hospital.
And maybe they died of cardiovascular disease.
Maybe they died of cancer.
Maybe they couldn't say goodbye to their parents who were dying.
The list goes on and on, these inhuman indignities that have been imposed.
And fair or not, and I think it's fair, the Biden administration, the Democrats, MSNBC, the lockdowners own this problem.
So they have to come up with something else, because they're not going to win on the health of the economy.
They're not going to win on, even though they say so, they're not going to win because they opened the schools, because that's a lie.
So what are they going to do?
They're desperate and they're trying to stoke civil war.
It's disgusting.
tim pool
I think civil war has been here for a while.
And I think what we're seeing of them has been an increasing desperation because they've been losing.
Over the past several years, there's been a, I mean, since Trump won.
ian crossland
No, before that, I think it was even since Obama was president, because it's a global civil catastrophe.
We're in like a global civil uprising where a new government's attempting to form a one new world order, they're calling it.
And Obama signing the Trans-Pacific Partnership, like getting on board with selling out to the Malaysian oil companies was part of it.
It's like creating this corporatocracy, but Trump was very against that.
And so was Bernie Sanders, which is kind of why I think why he got snowballed by the Clinton campaign.
They were not really into like, yo, let's sell out the people to the corporations and acquiesce to the metaverse, you know, mutation.
But that was like slowing it down.
And I don't know if Biden's like in on it or if he just is being pushed along with it.
tim pool
Bidenism.
matt kibbe
I mean, he's part of the regime.
He's part of the machine.
Someone's writing his talking points for him.
I want to white pill you guys just for a second here.
Yes, do it.
Think about the trajectory.
You mentioned the Tea Party, but you could go back to Ron Paul.
You could probably even go back to Howard Dean.
And you could certainly fast forward and look at Bernie and Trump as outsiders breaking the two-party duopoly and doing something that the establishment didn't want.
And every step along the way, they've tried to whack it down.
It's like whack-a-mole.
Oh, people are finally speaking for themselves.
It turns out that not every Democrat wants Hillary Clinton.
It turns out that not every Republican wants Mitt Romney.
And there's this uprising going on, fueled by technology.
This is the upside of technology.
It is democratization at its best.
And it turns out that people have a voice and they have power and they have control.
And this is this existential fight that we have between the machine that wants to crush us and people that want to be free.
And I think we're in the middle of something.
Maybe it's a civil war.
Maybe we're figuring out how different other Americans are across the country in a way that we couldn't have possibly known before technology.
But maybe we're also trying to figure out how to beat the man.
tim pool
I think one of the things we're seeing, you know I mentioned those people that would just say or do anything to fit in or be cool.
They've become stuck where they are and so they're all, it's a Mexican standoff, they're all looking at each other saying what should I say and what should I do and there's no real leader anymore.
It used to be that with a centralized media apparatus, you could say, blue is the new green.
And then all the people go, yeah, yes, blue, blue!
Now that leader is gone.
Now it's all of just them.
And one guy goes, green?
Green!
No, wait, blue!
I don't know!
Canceled!
They're attacking each other.
And so they're stuck and there's no way to lead them out of it.
An example is, you know, I've been watching She-Hulk.
Have you guys watched that great piece of American media?
hannah claire brimelow
I saw the first episode.
ian crossland
Saw some twerking.
tim pool
I liked the first episode.
I liked the first episode.
The second episode was okay.
The third episode was just one of the worst pieces of film trash I've ever watched.
ian crossland
Damn, she's a good actor too.
It's really bad.
tim pool
It's just like they're ruining characters.
But anyway, I digress.
It's getting bad reviews.
It's got like a 2.2 or something like that out of 5.
And so what these cultists do is they say the only reason it's happening is because white supremacists are attacking it.
And then I'm just like, it's really funny because I actually liked the first one.
I thought it was silly when she did that rant about feminism.
But I was like, I even said on the show, I was like, eh, it's alright, you know, C+, it's kinda funny.
Second episode, it's okay, you know, there's some bad stuff in it.
And third episode is just really, really awful.
And it's like, what do you say to someone who actually praised the first two episodes the first two weeks and is now saying, okay, it's getting bad?
Is that racism and white supremacy?
The issue is, when there's no leader, they don't know what to say, so they say, bad thing.
They say, The only reason people don't like it is because they like Bad Thing.
They like Bad Thing so they don't like show.
And you're just like, maybe if you had charismatic thought leaders, they could explain what's wrong with the show in a way that would help your side.
But they don't.
It's a mob.
And, you know, some people call them the real fascists or whatever, and I'm like, it's just a mob.
It's a group of people marching around with pitchforks, figuratively, on Twitter, looking for the next person to be angry at over their problems.
Joe Biden is a part of that mob.
He is not a leader.
He doesn't know what he's doing.
Somebody writes him a speech because they're a part of the mob, and they're saying mindless, nonsensical garbage.
But mobs are dangerous.
matt kibbe
Yeah.
I mean, there's an apparatchik mindset to people like this, because the prize, the ring, is control of the federal government.
And without that, they can't impose their will on other people.
Whereas, I think conservatives and certainly libertarians don't really think that way.
We're not ultimately political animals.
We want to live our lives.
We want to raise our families.
We want to live our lives the way we see fit.
And I think that's sometimes a disadvantage when so much power is concentrated in Washington, D.C.
Apparatchiks win.
And people that want freedom don't even understand what they're doing.
So the language is foreign.
What are you guys even saying?
It's hard to even understand what they're trying to say.
hannah claire brimelow
I think they're trying to get you to agree with them by using the only thing they know, which is fear.
So they're saying like, Well only white supremacists criticize She-Hulk so therefore if you are going to criticize it know that you are equating yourself to that ideology and so in turn if you don't want to be outside the group you start to be like well I kind of like the costumes in She-Hulk and even though you didn't actually like it you feel like you can't publicly talk about it otherwise you are equated to the worst of the worst.
tim pool
It's like the show's bad because the writing is bad, the jokes don't make sense, the characters are being ruined like Wong He's in a bunch of movies, he's a great character, and they turned him into a joke.
Like, he's disheveled, he shows up late, he's committing crimes.
I'm like, what is this?
What are they doing to these characters?
But the CGI.
So bad.
Yes.
But bad is an understatement.
It's worse than Shrek.
People are like, Shrek-level CGI.
I'm like, no, man.
The way they're walking and jerking and their mouths are moving like this when they talk, I'm like...
hannah claire brimelow
It reminds me of Sims, you know the computer game?
Like, it looks like early, early animation of Sims, like, in the worst way possible.
And this is like a multi-million dollar production, right?
tim pool
You know what I think?
I think when you're a part of a mob, they may be able to... A mob can break into CNN, but they can't make the cameras operate.
The cameras may already be turned on when the mob breaks into the CNN headquarters, so they can move the camera around and point it, and that goes out to the world, but eventually the camera stops working and they start scratching their heads.
Then someone comes in and they're like, uh, let's do this, and they press power.
The camera starts working, but not working well, and they're like, okay, I got it!
That's what it feels like.
Like a mob broke into the studio and they don't know how to work anything.
And you know, I think merit is being shut out, but we're doing our own things.
ian crossland
That's the danger of corporatocracy is that merit gets shut out and wealth dictates who gets to make the decisions instead of the most intelligent or the most resourceful, which is what republicanism is so great for.
The merits of the human are what lead the way, not the bank account.
matt kibbe
I mean, is it wealth or is it wokeism where who you hire is not based on the people that could actually make a good movie?
Right.
I think that's what you're describing.
tim pool
Oh, man.
Remember when, like, Star Wars was completely destroyed, and then it was completely destroyed, and then it was completely destroyed, and, like, every step of the way, they just completely ruined the IP?
Like, the prequels?
It's like, okay, you know, whatever.
They really ham-fisted it.
It's like, why is C-3PO and R2-D2 here?
That's Anakin built?
See, that's weird.
But fine, whatever, we all had a good laugh, we enjoyed it.
Then they started making a whole bunch of weird garbage, and then the sequel movies were just nonsensical garbage.
Rian Johnson, who's super woke, just totally ruined it, and he brags about how proud he is, but he legitimately ruined it.
unidentified
Dude, George Lucas sold out.
ian crossland
He sold Star Wars to Disney.
He sold out.
That was his IP.
Freakish.
tim pool
Well, good for him.
ian crossland
Not good.
He ruined it.
He gave up and he ruined it.
First of all, forcing his own direction on it ruined it.
George, you ruined the first episode one.
You ruined because you didn't let someone else take the reins for you.
You're a good story writer.
You're not a good director, my man.
That movie was terrible.
Jar Jar Binks was a laughing stock.
You had a horrible child actor to play the lead.
You had no villain.
You had Darth Maul, who didn't even have lines in there, like one line in the movie.
tim pool
You're terrible.
ian crossland
Terrible mistake.
tim pool
I thought you were talking about A New Hope.
ian crossland
I was like, what?
tim pool
A New Hope was good.
ian crossland
Episode 4, 5, and 6 were freaking incredible, man.
You had an amazing cast for that, too.
tim pool
It's confusing how they did these movies.
hannah claire brimelow
I've never understood it.
I've never really followed Star Wars.
I feel like you're making a really hot take.
I just wish I could understand it better.
ian crossland
He wanted me to pretend like I didn't know Palpatine was the Emperor so that I could, like, The kids in the future will watch Star Wars from episode one forward.
hannah claire brimelow
Is he nuts?
This is crazy.
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, the moment.
Total miscalculation.
It was the same actor.
Everybody knew it was him.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was the point was.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you like Star Wars?
matt kibbe
I checked out with Jar Jar Binks, and I've had to go back and re-watch them all recently, but I'm probably surely the oldest person here, and I was a very young, maybe I was like 12 when the first one came out.
And that was like iconic, definitive.
This was part of our youth back then.
tim pool
Yeah.
matt kibbe
And the first three, which I don't know which numbers they are, are fantastic.
ian crossland
Four, five, and six.
matt kibbe
Four, five, and six.
tim pool
Just call them one, two, and three, whatever.
matt kibbe
Yeah.
tim pool
Prequels and the sequels.
matt kibbe
And then Jar Jar Binks, I'm like, I'm out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
How racist was that?
ian crossland
All this like CGI cartoons.
I would rather had a dude in a costume.
Like that's what they did in the original Star Wars.
It's dudes with costumes on playing music and that was fun.
tim pool
Han shot first.
ian crossland
Oh, and then they re-edited the Star Wars to make Han not seem so villainous.
Like Han's a dirty dude.
Of course he shot first.
He shot Kirito so that he didn't get shot.
tim pool
This is an example, actually.
You know, I remember when they changed Star Wars so that Greedo fired at Han first, and it was a big deal.
And I'm like, this is like, it's like proto-wokeism.
When they started making content to fit their ideological narrative, going back and editing it because they were like, Han shouldn't be a scoundrel.
He should be a hero.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and they're hijacking stuff that is nostalgia.
You said you were 12 when this came out.
It's a huge part of your childhood.
They're hijacking things that they know people will want to watch to put their own messages in.
tim pool
Didn't wasn't there like a Netflix show they went back and edited the first episode was it stranger things? I think
there's a bunch of them That's crazy because you know
I remember when When video games used to be released the video game that
came out was the video game you got and when there were bugs
Well, you know too bad and sometimes they go. It's not a bug
It's a feature like the idea of in video games a combo in a fighting game, right?
In Street Fighter, it was actually a bug.
That you could string together a bunch of moves, creating a no-time gap between when you attack and your opponent's ability to defend.
And they were like, eh, it's a feature.
They couldn't do anything about it.
Nowadays, when a game is released, they patch it.
Now they're patching TV shows!
This is nightmarish!
Like, time is gone.
Like, History, memory, won't matter.
Because you're gonna go to your friend and be like, hey did you just watch that new show called, you know, about Ian, you know, Ian and Matt's adventure into, you know, the never-ending tale or whatever, and you're gonna go like, oh yeah it was really awesome when Ian pulled out the lightsaber.
Lightsaber?
What are you talking about?
No, he had a Scaliber.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
No, he draws a lightsaber.
Dude, I just watched it.
Bro, I watched it when it came out.
That's what they're doing.
ian crossland
They're working on augmented reality where depending on who you are, you're going to see a different image on the screen.
So like for kids, when they watch it, they'll see Coca-Cola, but when an adult watches it, they'll see beer, Bud Light.
I was just watching a video on this.
It's crazy.
tim pool
Or when the adult's watching it, they'll see, you know, a big apple being like, make sure you eat healthy, kids!
And then the kids are gonna be watching it, and it's gonna be a giant tiger throwing gummy snacks, and I'm gonna be like, eat candy!
It's delicious!
hannah claire brimelow
Or something worse.
tim pool
The parents are gonna think the kids are getting a good message, not realizing it.
ian crossland
That's disturbing because part of what bound us together, you might've mentioned this earlier, is our shared, I don't know if you said this exactly, but our shared appreciation or shared understanding of what art was.
Like, I don't know if you actually said this or if it was you, Tim, but like we would all sit around, it was Fox News gave us the, this is what's up tonight.
And everyone would see it.
Everyone could agree.
That's what I saw for better or worse.
Cause we were led astray in many ways.
And, but now we're going to even be like, that's what I saw.
Well, that's what I saw.
Did we even see the same show?
I don't know.
And I don't know how to verify it.
tim pool
How crazy is it gonna be if, you know, we no longer have TVs, we just have, like, viewing portals that are green screens, and you put on your AR goggles, and then you're watching the news, and you get different news at the same time.
Like, I mean, we saw this with the Sondland testimony, the Gordon Sondland testimony.
There was a gym, I think it was a gym, someone posted this photo, CBS and Fox next to each other, and on Fox it says, Sondland confirms no quid pro quo, and CBS says, Sondland confirms yes quid pro quo.
It's like you literally have two different truths that are coming out, and it's like... Another good example has just happened.
Taiwan shot down a Chinese drone.
It's reported by, you know, a bunch of outlets that it was a Chinese drone.
Why?
Because it came from China.
But then you get CNN saying, unidentified drone, and Reuters saying, suspected Chinese drone.
And now what happens is, someone might go, did you hear that they shot down a Chinese drone?
I'll go, no, it wasn't identified.
What are you talking about?
The news said it was literally... This is insane.
I don't know how we function this way.
matt kibbe
Well, I'm gonna white pill you guys again, because I really feel like, back in the day, like I'm the old guy again, I'm gonna be old guy all night, but I'm old enough to remember when Walter Cronkite would tell me as a kid, that's the way it is.
And you got 20 minutes of spoon-fed news, and somebody curated that, and all three networks said the same thing, and that was our only access to information, and now you have these infinite sources, And all sorts of contradictions.
These contradictions of fact prove to us that a lot of what we used to think of as objective news is at best opinion and perhaps just blatant false propaganda.
But we have the ability now to sort of fact check the fact checkers.
And I think that maybe puts more responsibility on us to figure things out for ourselves.
And yes, all sorts of people are going to fall for the BS, but I feel more comfortable in this crazy decentralized world than I ever did when someone was dictating to me what to think.
tim pool
It's all broken, man.
ian crossland
I feel less comfort but more hope.
tim pool
What we're seeing now with the media and the lies plays perfectly into the postmodernist goals.
ian crossland
Sure.
tim pool
The fact that you have Fox and CBS saying the exact opposite things It is perfect for them that we, who will try and fact check and then present to you to the best of our abilities the facts, they like that we come out and say they're lying to you and at the same time they point back and say they're lying to you because it confuses people.
ian crossland
And it's good for numbers.
matt kibbe
And yet, that's sort of how life works, right?
You think about your everyday life and you're trying to figure out how to move forward in a radically uncertain world.
It's a world we live in.
We live in real time and we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.
We have some sort of theory about what happened yesterday.
And somehow, we figure that stuff out.
So I think it's important not just to take the snapshot of like, that guy says this, and this guy says the opposite, and I don't know what to think.
There's a process by which we're gonna figure this stuff out.
But again, we have to own that instead of just falling into the trap of believing one tribe and not the other.
tim pool
I wanna pull this story from the New York Post.
White House.
Big tech colluded to censor misinformation.
Lawsuit.
lydia smith
Good.
tim pool
Yeah.
New York Post.
You can just show the emails that came out showing that they literally did it.
This is this is crazy.
lydia smith
Who's filing the lawsuit?
tim pool
A bunch of people.
I think it's Gateway Pundits involved.
The state of Missouri is involved.
I think that's the that's the lawsuit that where this is coming from.
matt kibbe
This, uh, I just had, uh, Jen and Eunice on my show and it's hasn't even come out yet, but she, um, I'm going to look up her, her association because she is a co-plaintiff with two attorneys generals on this and this discovery.
is more like we knew this was happening because the White House was actually saying it from the podium and Biden was saying Facebook is literally killing people so this is not actually news except they now have documentation that there was a ongoing coordination process And it's now time to sue Facebook into oblivion.
Anyone.
So you need to look at the emails, look at the stories.
and what they were demanded to take off.
tim pool
And it's now time to sue Facebook into oblivion.
Anyone. So you need to look at the emails and look at the stories.
Anytime Joe Biden has referenced COVID policies, I think anybody who tried sharing anything related
to that should join a class action lawsuit against Facebook and the US government.
government for collusion, violation of First Amendment rights, because the government was actively suppressing that information with the assistance of Facebook.
And you should now all have standing.
Large class action?
That'd be fantastic.
ian crossland
I'd be involved in that.
I remember posting in 2020 about some COVID stuff, about some documents, and after that, totally blackballed, like blacklisted.
Yeah.
And no notice that it happened.
I just started getting three likes per post after that.
And now I'm sure my page is in some kind of blacklist.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, YouTube took down like, what, half a million, probably more than that, videos that had to do with COVID stuff, and then changed their policy and didn't put the videos back up.
Like, there is an obvious censorship element to this that they are not willing to answer for.
matt kibbe
Okay, so here's, I just want to fill in the blank there, Jen and Eunice, who's with the new Civil Liberties Alliance, and they are representing Jay Bhattacharya, one of the signers of the Great Barrington Declaration, Martin Koldorf, a couple other guys, and they have joined the Louisiana, Missouri Attorney's General on this.
And I think it goes to the Supreme Court.
tim pool
Louisiana?
matt kibbe
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
I thought it was Missouri.
Is it Missouri?
matt kibbe
Two.
Missouri and Louisiana.
Wow.
tim pool
Yep.
matt kibbe
This is going to be big.
I think it's a big deal.
And, you know, God help us, we need to save the First Amendment.
I still think that matters.
unidentified
I agree.
matt kibbe
Is that crazy?
I don't know.
ian crossland
No, we need to evolve the First Amendment because we're creating a global government right now and I think free software code is the future of free speech.
If you can see what the code is doing, then that's like your sense of personal freedom in the environment.
If you go to the metaverse and you can't see what the code is doing around you, it could be telling you lies and you wouldn't know it.
tim pool
Well, so could a human.
ian crossland
It's okay for humans to lie, but for a software code for an environment to lie to you, I think is when it's gone too far.
tim pool
What does that mean?
ian crossland
Like if there's blatant lie propaganda, like if there's signs around you that are telling you something happened when it didn't.
Yeah, that's the metaverse I'm talking about.
When you're in VR, when you're in the space.
tim pool
But like that's just an image posted by a person.
hannah claire brimelow
What's the difference?
ian crossland
Between what and what?
tim pool
An image posted by a person and a person saying the words.
hannah claire brimelow
If someone creates an environment that they post false advertising or they post, you know, false statement in political ads, it's created by a person, even if it is a sign that's physically appearing.
ian crossland
If I saw a sign that said, like, turn right to the next Burger King, but to you, the sign said turn left to the next Burger King, but neither of us know that we're getting fed different information, that's like a violation of my First Amendment.
That's a violation of a human right, in my opinion.
People need to know if they're being led towards something.
hannah claire brimelow
But you said it's okay if humans lie.
ian crossland
Technically, you could lie to me.
tim pool
If you have an algorithm that's decided you should go to Wendy's and you should go to Burger King and it's automatically doing it, yeah, we should know that machines are doing that to us.
When people don't realize, you know, Facebook experimented on people.
Do you guys know this?
They made people depressed on purpose to see what would happen.
That's psychotic.
We should have a right guarantee that they can't do that.
There should be, I mean, I think we should abolish algorithmic feeds.
It should be chronological and your followers.
So if you follow something, you get shown it.
It shouldn't be like we've decided what's right for you.
Because Facebook actually started showing people content that would depress them to see if it would work, and it did.
They started then producing depressing content.
It's creepy stuff.
ian crossland
It's like 2014, I think they were doing that.
tim pool
What are they doing now?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, exactly.
Mark Zuckerberg, I think he's big time into psychology.
That's a big part of what this is for him is a psychology experiment.
I mean, he said that pretty openly that he loves experimenting on the human psychology.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, Mark, but you've alluded to that fact.
I think he was in college for psychology at the time that he was building Facebook.
Yeah, I agree, man.
You know, it's a new world and we got to take it by the horns.
If we don't, it's going to gore us.
matt kibbe
Do you guys think that technology, this kind of social media technology that is doing all this stuff, has this generally been a good thing?
Or is this what's creating all of this chaos?
tim pool
It's the chaos.
ian crossland
It's neutral.
But people are using it to create massive chaos.
Under the guise of American law, like IP law.
You can't just own a world, you know?
tim pool
Technology is neutral, but it's basically like, you know, crystal meth.
If you start mass producing it and giving it out to people, and it's like, imagine if companies came out,
they started giving out free crystal meth to everybody.
In order to have a job, you had to have it.
It's like, you're gonna come in work, but you're on meth, right?
That would be insane.
We can see the problem with that, drug addiction.
But what social media is, is exactly that.
So when you have a group of people that don't really have the cognitive faculties to lead,
and I'm not trying to be disrespectful to everybody, but some people are really dumb,
and some people, you can be disrespectful too, if they know they're manipulating.
But you have people who are just blindly marching in lockstep with this gutter garbage, algorithmically fed nonsense.
You have to have it.
They're creating a world of chaos and nonsense.
And that's what the modern left is.
I don't view it as a political movement, sort of.
You know, I've talked about this.
It's a chaotic, destructive force.
It's like a fire.
That's all it is.
It's like fire.
You have the left and the right, the traditional left and right in this country.
And that's why, as I mentioned the other day, if I sat down with Ben Shapiro, we're gonna disagree on your traditional left and right disagreements.
And then we're gonna shake hands and be like, ah, America's great.
But then you have this left, this quote-unquote left, which is just a fire that burns.
There's no reasoning with it.
You could go up to it and you can say, here's a video of Joe Biden admitting to a quid pro quo, and they'll smack it out of your hand and be like, fascist, fascist, fascist, and just start screaming because it's fire.
There's no rhyme or reason.
A leaderless mob, blindly marching in lockstep on social media, and that's what you end up with.
matt kibbe
But this is nothing new.
The entirety of human history has crazy mobs doing the most inhumane things.
Mass murder stuff.
tim pool
But it's amplified.
And it's addictive.
We've always had crazy people, but we haven't always had systems that incentivize you to post inflammatory things.
Instagram, right?
Young girls are getting depressed because they're not getting enough Instagram likes.
Now they're doing Photoshops and filters on their apps.
Now women are getting plastic surgery to look like the filters.
Like, this is derangement.
hannah claire brimelow
There's a family that's suing Instagram because their daughter started using it at a young age, like 13 or something, and developed really serious anorexia and anxiety, and they believe that it's directly correlated to her addiction to social media.
tim pool
Well, these CEOs don't give their kids phones.
Everybody else does.
And it's like, the dude selling the drugs knows not to let their kids have it, but the families are told to do it.
It's the right thing.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's an addictive printing press fire drug.
tim pool
We can go back to Web 2.0, get rid of all these weird algorithmic manipulations and just go back to reverse chronological.
That'd be fantastic.
If you follow him, you follow him.
Otherwise, the posts just come in in reverse chronological order.
ian crossland
I hear the web is headed towards 3.0 and it's freaking out humanists.
tim pool
Well, we're in 3.0.
ian crossland
3.0 is like the perma web where everything is on our weave or some other permanent state where it's always there and that's like... You're talking about 4.0.
Geez, I don't even know what to call this stuff anymore.
tim pool
So I'll explain it, I'll explain it.
Web 1.0 was like CompuServe and AOL chat rooms, really basic stuff, garbage websites.
Web 2.0 was when we got social media websites, accounts were popping up, eBay and things like that.
You could then do transactions online through websites, and then Web 3.0 was the app network.
Now you're online through an app that you can't navigate away from, except the app itself.
ian crossland
And then the app can shut you off.
tim pool
Things like that.
ian crossland
That's why they're afraid of Web 3.
tim pool
So when it first started, you had crazy websites and IPs, and you'd see like, you know, a gif of Macho Man doing the peanut butter jelly dance or whatever, and hamster dance and things like that.
Then we got Web 2.0, which was like YouTube and MySpace, but they're still desktop websites.
Now you have Web 3.0, where you don't actually type in it anymore.
You have just apps, and you press it, and you're logged in automatically, and you interact with them, and they're heavily regulated.
The internet used to be fun.
It was the Wild West.
Web 3.0 is awful.
It's robotic.
It's mundane.
And then Web 4.0, I don't know what they're expecting that to be like.
matt kibbe
It's the matrix.
We're going to go straight to it.
Netaverse.
tim pool
Neuralink.
matt kibbe
Okay.
What about blockchain as the alternative to this?
And there's some experiments.
tim pool
Well, what does that mean?
matt kibbe
It means that we could go back to the fun internet and we could go back to the unregulated.
tim pool
You can just make it.
Yeah.
There's no appetite for it.
People aren't doing it.
There's nothing stopping you from making, you know, bringing back an AOL server with Messenger and chat rooms.
People don't do it.
ian crossland
Well, if we look at what the FBI has been doing, there are things that can try and stop that from happening.
Unfortunately, like they stopped Facebook from letting things happen on their website.
So before, there wasn't a lot of government overreach that we knew about in the late 90s, 96, 97, when people were typing on AOL chat rooms.
Logs weren't being stored.
I don't know if they still have those AOL chat logs from 30, 20 years ago, if they want them.
But the technocratic state's been in high alert for the last 20 years and really building up a way to spy, you know, the PRISM network where they're allowed, I think legally even now, to spy.
tim pool
X-key score.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's not right.
matt kibbe
We publish all of our stuff on Odyssey in the anticipation of YouTube finally deciding that our stuff isn't allowed anymore.
And we're not going to be first.
We're not Alex Jones.
We tell beautiful stories and I don't expect to be the first to get banned from anything.
tim pool
What they want to do is they want to turn the internet back into TV.
matt kibbe
They want to... Yeah, that's exactly what they want to do.
tim pool
What the big tech guys in the government have been trying to do is When there was Web 1.0, subcultures started flourishing.
With Web 2.0, they started solidifying and building economics around themselves.
Then they realized, hey, wait a minute.
These people actually got Trump elected.
They were memeing him into power by making jokes and people were sharing them.
It was meme magic.
And they said, we have to stop that.
So now the goal is Approved narratives only on all of these big platforms.
And that's it.
They started banning conspiracies and all the fun content.
Man, it was a good day, you know, back in what, like 2010?
ian crossland
I'm super concerned.
tim pool
When you could watch Flat Earth videos and they'd be on the front page of YouTube and you'd be like, ah, that's so dumb and silly.
And now it's like, you go to the front page and you got Mr. Beast and you got CNN.
matt kibbe
But this is the whack-a-mole that I'm talking about.
It's like every time people get new tools to be more liberated and think for themselves, they come in with a new scheme, more aggressive, more authoritarian every time they do it to try to shut it down.
And then something else emerges, and I think that there is a technological solution, because I don't wanna live in the matrix, and I don't think most people do.
ian crossland
What concerns me about the whack-a-mole thing, because you're right, when people are whacked down, they tend, the consciousness will rise up somewhere else, and it'll keep happening, and they keep trying to stop it, but if you don't know you're being whacked, if you think everything's going out normal, but it's being tweaked somewhere between you and the listener, because of secret algorithms, Then there might not be an uprising because you don't even know you're being manipulated.
That's what I'm concerned with and I want to avoid.
matt kibbe
Well, you can see trends like young people make fun of people that are on Facebook now.
That's what Grandpa does.
And they've migrated and they're curating their own content.
They're watching shows like this.
They're binge watching things on Netflix.
They're all on YouTube.
None of these platforms are completely free, but they're more free then the sort of manipulation on Facebook.
I remember when we started Free the People, we thought that young people had short attention spans.
But it turns out that Facebook manipulates you into not paying attention for very long.
So what happened?
People that didn't like that, they migrated to YouTube and other places.
I think that, I mean, I believe in the wisdom of crowds.
I believe that people figure this stuff out.
And I think that the revolution is going to be those people choosing for themselves.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the strange thing about the internet is that it was so disruptive and by regulating the internet you can really regulate basically every part of human life.
I've never had a job that didn't in some way involve the internet, which is sort of crazy.
There are generations that that was not true for.
Even people who worked in Congress, who wrote bills, like they, you know, before the rise of the internet there were other ways of operating and now I can't imagine life without it.
tim pool
Not just that, I mean, even if you were going to a fast food restaurant these days, you have apps to order food, so you're getting the internet coming.
hannah claire brimelow
And to schedule shifts you're working, I mean, like, everything is done through the internet.
So if you mean that, like, if you have to comply by the internet, a.k.a.
the government's rules, then every part of your life has to comply.
tim pool
Yep.
So we had Robert Davia on the other night.
He was telling us a really interesting story in the after show about, I think he told us in the main show, like, maybe it was the after show, how he, how he ended up getting into, no, I think it was the after show, how he got into acting.
And he said that you'd have to call a number on a pay phone that would have your messages stored for you.
So it's like, he wakes in the morning, he runs down to a payphone, he puts the coins in, and then he dials the number, and he gives his information, and then it reads him his messages, and he finds out he gets the part.
Like, that was crazy days.
I remember when I was a kid.
You know, I'm 36.
You go to your friend's house, knock on the door.
He's not here.
Do you know where he went?
I don't.
Guess I'm not gonna see him today.
That was life, man.
ian crossland
Before internet banking, I know you remember.
Did you ever have the non-internet banking?
tim pool
Bro, before debit cards.
ian crossland
Yeah, before debit cards, you got a check.
You'd go to Drug Mart and you'd be like, here's a check for $17.
It would take three days to clear.
Then you'd have to go to the bank and talk to the cashier, write her a check, and then she would give you cash.
Then internet banking appeared and it's so convenient.
I can click a couple buttons and you get the money.
It's amazing!
How could I ever want to turn back from that?
Except that now they have the power to click a button and turn it all off.
Maybe they kind of did before, but not nearly as much.
hannah claire brimelow
Or say, you can't send money to certain people, or you can't use this service because we don't believe in your ideology.
tim pool
Have y'all watched Catch Me If You Can?
matt kibbe
Yeah.
tim pool
What was that guy's name?
The con man?
You don't remember his name?
matt kibbe
The real name?
ian crossland
Yeah.
matt kibbe
Not Leo?
unidentified
Well, no.
tim pool
Leo was the actor, but his character was his name.
I'm sure people in the chat will give us his name.
But you look at how easy it was.
to con people back then.
Yeah.
Like he made fake checks, like it actually wasn't that difficult for him to do.
He just lied and they would do it.
Reminds me of that movie with Ricky Gervais, The Invention of Lying, you've ever seen that one?
Where he goes into the bank and he's like, he needs money and then all of a sudden,
like nobody can lie in this world and then all of a sudden his brain just snaps
and he goes, I have $800.
And she goes, it doesn't say that.
We must have made a mistake!
Here you go, and then she gives him the money.
That's what it felt like watching Catch Me If You Can.
ian crossland
Oh, the character's Frank Abagnale Jr.?
tim pool
Yes, Frank Abagnale Jr.
Yeah, and he was like, he took, uh, in the movie what they show is, it's probably apocryphal, it's probably a movie, but he bought little toys with the Pan Am logo and then he, like, soaked them and then peeled the sticker off and put it on the check to make it look official.
Man, these days, Everything's, you know, so much more secure.
But I will say, I think it's funny that we're all old people talking about, you know, when I was a kid, we had phones on the wall.
But the reality is, the real purpose of this is, in walking away from landlines, the more we move into this digital space, the less control we have, to the point where this is the craziest thing.
You don't even own your shows anymore.
You don't own, it's like you will own nothing and you will be happy.
I hope everybody listening realizes That the agenda of the World Economic Forum has been underway for a very, very long time.
lydia smith
It's not new.
tim pool
How many songs do you own?
You don't.
You don't even own your phone.
The software on it is licensed to you.
And at any moment, Apple or Google can brick your phone.
They can shut it off like that if they want to.
I remember 10 years ago, Apple filed a patent to create geofencing.
That if your phone went into a certain area that they deemed to be fenced off, your camera would not turn on.
That's the world we're in.
Or, you can buy a camera and walk around with it.
They can't control it.
A Polaroid or something like that.
I saw a funny tweet where some guy said, you know, the future is inconvenient.
I was flying on a plane and my book ran out of batteries.
It's like, yeah, that's the future, you know, for convenience and we end up losing control.
ian crossland
One of the most jarring things is when I used to have all these CDs.
I have like 500, 400 CDs or something.
I'd move around from place to place every year and carry this big giant Tupperware tub
of CDs and then all of a sudden it was digitized and people didn't own their music anymore.
And I'm like, I still haven't done it.
I won't do it.
I still have my CDs.
They're in my parents' house right now.
I have them all backed up on multiple hard drives because that's music I bought, music
I own as far as I'm concerned.
I was never told that I didn't own the CD and everything on it when I bought it, so I own that.
tim pool
Here's the best part.
This happened to a lot of people.
They got banned from Facebook.
So what?
People get banned from Facebook, right?
The only problem is they were using Facebook Login.
Now, all of a sudden, they can't log into any of the other apps they had synced with, and some of them are financial.
Now, that's crazy.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I've known people who, you know, use Facebook personally and upload pictures of, you know, whatever, their kids, their life's going on.
And when Facebook blocks them and deletes their account, they lose all of that.
So, I've known people to lose videos of, like, their kid's first step because they put it on Facebook so grandma in a different state could see it.
And it's gone and Facebook won't give it to you.
When we're on Pop Culture Crisis, we talk about how important it is to go to flea markets and tag sales and collect VHSs because you won't be able to edit out the content and then you'll always have it.
Unfortunately, VHSs are not, like, super stable.
I think CDs probably hold up against weather and heat and stuff like that a little bit better.
But there is, I think, an interesting crossroads where people are going to have to say, like, if it's really important to me, I should actually get a physical copy that cannot be virtually deleted.
tim pool
Trump should have banned TikTok.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
tim pool
Should have absolutely banned it.
ian crossland
That's how I agree, kind of agree with you.
I don't know if banning is the way.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
How would that have worked out if he had?
tim pool
That it, I think it was temporarily like restricted, wasn't it?
hannah claire brimelow
It was, I think, under some conditions.
I mean, there are a lot of reports coming out right now, and I don't want to be too alarmist about it, but of, in different states, they're getting back their, like, learning standards from last year.
They evaluated kids, and so many kids are behind.
Yeah, the lockdowns.
And I think a lot of it is because lockdowns were bad, but also we didn't intervene on the parts of the internet that we should have.
And I don't actually like intervention, so it's hard for me to say that.
tim pool
The TikTok thing is that China is controlling what our kids are seeing and they're banning shows like us.
We got banned for no reason.
They just nuked us off the platform.
And it's obvious.
They want kids to see their moral ideology.
So they'll grow up and they'll not agree with this.
That's their plan.
They want your kids.
So conservatives have to win on the education front and on that front.
And Trump banning it would have been a seriously bad day for the woke cultists.
hannah claire brimelow
And from what I've understood and read about the algorithm for TikTok, they actually change the algorithm based on what country they're in.
So kids in China are not served the same content that TikTok users who are under the age of 18 in America are.
You know, you might get more engineering content served to you if you're a teenager in China than you would in America.
Right.
tim pool
In America, it's woke garbage.
In China, they don't allow it.
So, you know, someone chatted that kids aren't watching YouTube, they're watching TikTok.
Actually, there were several studies and some polls done and found that YouTube is the most popular video platform for all ages.
But TikTok is very, very prominent among kids.
So if they're at school, they're probably on, you know... And there's an ecosystem, right?
hannah claire brimelow
So if you have a creator who's popular on TikTok, they probably also have a YouTube channel and an Instagram and you're floating between sort of all parts of that.
tim pool
But they're not going on YouTube until they get home.
They're on TikTok when they're on their phone.
But TikTok is creepy.
Chinese-controlled data being sent to them.
ian crossland
There's a new style of entertainment on TikTok where it's like, they'll say a thing, and then there's a cut.
And then they'll say another thing, and then there's a cut.
And then they'll say a third thing, and then there's a cut.
And it's like those disjointed three-second statements edited all together as if it's to be one sentence, as opposed to like just a 10 or a 30-second converse statement.
tim pool
Oh, bro, here's the best thing.
So, uh, some YouTubers figured out that typos result in higher engagement.
Because when you have a typo in your title, people click it and then correct you.
So they started intentionally putting typos in the headlines.
Children then started spelling the words wrong because on YouTube they were spelled wrong and that's what they were exposed to.
Isn't that crazy?
hannah claire brimelow
That's how the machine works.
It's anything to drive viewers and to keep them there, right?
That's why TikTok shows you a video and you immediately scroll.
In some ways, that's why YouTube adopted Shorts, I think, because they want you to be able to move quickly through a lot of content.
tim pool
Let's talk about the apocalypse.
We didn't talk about this story before, but we have it here.
Uh, would you take out a loan to buy this week's groceries?
Americans are increasingly turning to buy now, pay later services for food and other everyday essentials.
And there are signs that the practice is putting some in deep debt.
So, um, I just want to say, if you don't have emergency food supplies, I think you're probably in a bad spot and not everybody can buy them because, you know, we normally shout out safeandreadymeals.com and it's like two or three hundred bucks for a month's supply now.
It used to be like a hundred and something.
Inflation's through the roof.
We ordered some food.
We had some takeout.
Got it delivered and it was like three people eating and it was like almost a hundred bucks.
It was like a local diner and we were just like, what did we get?
Bite inflation!
People really just are frogs in a pot boiling as all this stuff happens.
I just want to stress, when MSNBC says we're in a civil war, the president comes out and says half the country are extreme threats, and people are taking out loans to buy food, please pay attention to what's going on because this is extreme.
Extreme.
And I'm going to say this too, I've actually been looking at properties in other countries already.
No problem saying that.
Notably, I will say El Salvador sounds really awesome with the Bitcoin stuff they're doing.
So I've been looking at El Salvador for a while.
But I want to stay in the United States and make sure we can do what we can to preserve our culture and preserve this country.
In the event that, let's just say a catastrophic defeat to the point of executions or something, then I'm like, okay, I'm going to get away from this place.
But I also want to point out, as I've mentioned before, there are points throughout history where we've seen people flee countries before it got to the point where there were mass executions.
And there are many countries where this has happened, where people have been genocided in various ways.
So, seeing all of this, I'm not saying that anytime soon anything like that's going to happen.
I'm saying that...
I'm gonna buy a van and go live down by the river and get ready to bug out because it's getting insane.
People taking out loans to buy groceries?
Yo, you have to realize that means something really bad is about to break, right?
ian crossland
I took out loans in 2003 to buy groceries after college for a couple years.
That was a rough point in my life.
But I was making $12 an hour.
It was right after 9-11.
Tough to get a job.
$12 an hour was good enough for me.
But I still had to take out a couple hundred bucks a month for groceries.
tim pool
And food benefits exist.
But this is, Americans are increasingly turning to taking out loans to buy groceries.
ian crossland
Did you guys see the Chengdu riots?
I don't know if you call them riots, but the lockdown, they're locking down.
tim pool
Oh yeah!
ian crossland
20 million people in Chengdu, China.
tim pool
And people are just storming in and grabbing whatever they can to eat.
unidentified
It's chaos.
ian crossland
There's videos of it.
People are like grabbing groceries and pouring giant amounts of rice.
matt kibbe
This is a big issue in China with these lockdowns.
And when you run out of food in China, particularly if you're of a certain age, you remember Mao's Great experiment in socialism, the great leap forward when millions of people starve to death.
So not having food in China is the ultimate insult, the ultimate moment when you freak out and say, I'm going to do whatever it takes.
I might die in the process of disobeying my government, but I have to have food because they remember what it was like to slowly starve to death.
But on the inflation thing, this is unfortunately a very predictable result of spending $6, $7, $8 trillion.
I can't keep track anymore how much money we spent that we didn't have.
tim pool
Not just that, the money supply was expanded by what, $16 trillion?
matt kibbe
Yeah, it's all financed.
They basically printed the money and they have very more exotic ways than actually running a printing press.
But this is all fake money.
And it's the ultimate transfer from working people, people that have money in their wallets, money in their savings accounts, people that have to buy groceries.
They pay while rich people, the connected, the political insiders, and not just politicians, but when you print all this money, there's injection points in the economy.
And who are those?
The banksters.
So you have this huge wealth transfer from the poor to the rich, and this is part of Bidenomics.
And one of the reasons why he did that speech Out of desperation, is that people are taking out loans to buy their groceries.
tim pool
Can we just, I love pulling up the M1 Money Stock here.
Can I just show you guys, something isn't right.
matt kibbe
Huh.
tim pool
Cause, bam.
That's when the savings- $12 trillion increase because savings were converted to checking accounts basically.
ian crossland
But look what that, they did that to mask what was coming right after that influx of savings is that gigantic angle.
tim pool
Oh, it's right here.
ian crossland
Increase.
Yes.
That went from like, I mean, that's like a, like a what?
A three, a three times.
It probably went from like a 20% gain.
tim pool
That's like five times.
ian crossland
To like a 78% gain.
tim pool
It's like five.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The money supply increased by 500%.
matt kibbe
This is what Thomas Massey called the cheese in the trap when they started giving out those relatively modest checks.
Like every time we passed another trillion dollar bill, just a small fraction of it actually went to people.
But we're now paying for that and all of those people that got those checks are getting utterly screwed by that spike right there.
tim pool
Have you guys been paying attention to like food costs and stuff like that?
matt kibbe
Oh, it's insane.
tim pool
It's been getting crazier and crazier.
I remember it was a year ago and I was like, I went to the grocery store and it was $600 and I was shocked.
It's like, now it's $800.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Pork is through the roof.
Got to get that bacon, man.
It's getting more and more expensive, but we have our own chickens.
So, you know, they, they, they bop about, do their chicken business and then lay eggs and we eat them.
So I don't got to worry about the cost of eggs.
That's great.
lydia smith
I think the problem with leaving the U.S.
is that as the people who fled Cuba, I think during Trump's tenure, got up on stage and were able to say, there's nowhere else to go.
And El Salvador sounds great.
And Portugal sounds good to me.
I've been looking at Portugal.
It turns out a lot of Californians have been moving there, so there's no hope there.
This is really the last place to go.
tim pool
I don't know if Brazil's alright.
But, you know, the issue is that if the U.S.
does falter, that's the reserve currency.
It's going to be a wild ride.
So you gotta wonder what happens.
Actually, Matt, what are your thoughts?
What happens, let's say the U.S.
just erupts, Biden comes out tomorrow and he's like, I think it's time to put an end to this MAGA!
And he starts arresting every Trump supporter, and then all of a sudden the economy collapses, the U.S.
dollar is kicked up out of the country.
What happens?
matt kibbe
Well, like you're thinking about escaping to Latin America, the most stable economies in Latin America are dollarized.
So they've linked their currency.
tim pool
Bitcoin in El Salvador.
matt kibbe
Bitcoin.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt kibbe
So I'm going to go back to blockchain as the only solution to all of our problems, because I really think it is.
And there's a reason why they're going after Odyssey.
They're going after Bitcoin.
They're going after blockchain.
They hate this stuff because of the very definition it's not controlled.
The alternative to this economic collapse is going to be this technology that makes us independent of government.
It's easier said than done.
tim pool
But what happens if the dollar is no longer the reserve currency?
Let's say tomorrow, they're just like, dollar's done.
matt kibbe
People that hold dollars are screwed.
tim pool
So the Central and South American countries that are dollarized are all just belly up?
matt kibbe
Yeah, well they eventually will do what they did in Venezuela, where the currency is completely worthless and every couple weeks they pass a massive increase in the minimum wage, but it doesn't mean anything because their money's not worth anything.
Hyperinflation is the logical result of this kind of stuff.
The reason it hasn't happened in the United States is that we are tremendously wealthy and we have things that no Latin American country has in terms of Of physical assets and wealth and and the resilience of our infrastructure.
I'm actually surprised that we haven't gotten that point already.
And you realize that for all of the darkness and the things that the government has tried
to do to stop the economy, there's a lot of entrepreneurship in our country.
There's a lot of innovation.
There's a lot of people that work their butts off to make sure that there still is food on the grocery store shelves.
I thought it would be worse.
tim pool
Yeah, it's supposed to get really bad in the next few months, but it's supposed to get really bad a year from now or so.
So they're saying the fall harvest is gonna be brutal, but then next year is where it really gets scary.
matt kibbe
Yeah, there's a cascading effect on all this stuff because you have the green agenda, you have energy shortages, you have all of the farmers and truckers and the whole distribution chain.
Think about the millions of people between you and your next meal that you don't know.
You don't know anything about these guys.
They have all been affected by what we've done over the last two years.
And the question is, did we break the supply chain?
Or is it resilient?
And I've been impressed by the resiliency of it, but one piece in that infinitely complex puzzle shuts things down.
And maybe it's energy, the most obvious thing, but it could be anything, and we don't even understand what it is.
That sounded sad, didn't it?
hannah claire brimelow
I thought you were white-pilling us.
unidentified
I thought that was, you were like the optimistic, I'm gonna white-pill you guys.
Well, I was though, because like- I was, 20 minutes ago.
matt kibbe
You can go read the stuff that I was writing in 2020 about the supply chain and predicting like, these stupid idiots don't understand how beautiful and complex this thing is.
And if you decide that that guy can't go to work, but that guy has to go to work, Well, that guy that has to go to work is dependent on the other guys that aren't allowed to go to work.
I expected this stuff to hit in 2020, 2021.
There's obviously an impact now.
I think that people could easily fix these problems if the government stopped helping.
tim pool
I think the government is helping their ideology.
I think the climate change zealots are like, it's time to push people down.
I think, look, you only need to listen to the words they say.
Bill Gates thinks there's too many people.
What do you do when there's too many deer in an area?
ian crossland
You call the deer.
matt kibbe
You call the herd.
tim pool
So why should I assume that when these powerful global elites are coming out saying we're overpopulated, the planet's going to implode in five, 10 years, and there needs to be less people.
At that point, it's more conspiratorial, in my opinion, to assume they don't want people to die.
I'm not saying Bill Gates is going around trying to kill people or anything like that.
I'm saying they probably wish it was happening at the very least.
matt kibbe
Yeah, well, if you're going to replace my steak with bugs, they might succeed.
tim pool
Did you hear the story about the thermostats, where people couldn't change the thermostats, they were locked out?
ian crossland
Colorado.
tim pool
And they were like, you opted into this program, it's your fault.
Because what'll happen is, you're gonna get your gas turned on, or your heating turned on, and they're gonna say, do you wanna sign up for our energy saver program?
It'll save you 100 bucks a year.
And they'll go, what do I gotta do?
Nothing, we just click, check the box, and then you get 100 bucks off.
And they go, cool, sure.
They don't read it, they have no idea.
Sure.
Then it's 90 degrees outside, and they're like, why can't I change the temperature?
And they're like, you agreed to this, Dave.
unidentified
That's what you wanted.
lydia smith
Very much so.
tim pool
It's like, no I didn't, no one told me.
So that's the future, man.
You're gonna live in a pod, you're gonna eat the bugs.
That's the gag.
You know, I was talking about, I did this bit on Twitter where I said, it's 99 degrees in your house, so you go to your thermostat, but you find you're locked out and it says, you know, emergency, energy emergency, governor's orders.
So you decide to go take a drive and open the windows.
You go to your electric car and it says, minimal charge, driving not available, governor's orders.
And you think, ugh.
So you figure, I'm gonna go walk down to the park.
And as you're walking down, there's a guy standing at a checkpoint.
unidentified
And he says, Sir, you need your QR card if you're gonna come through this checkpoint.
tim pool
And you're like, but my phone's dead because I couldn't charge my phone.
Sir, you don't have a QR card.
You can't come through.
And then you're like, look man, I just want to go to the park.
And then he pulls out a cattle prod.
And that's where the electricity went.
matt kibbe
I feel like that's China today.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
It is.
I know.
Yeah, that's where we'll be soon, just like China.
And then so then after you get tased, you get up, you walk back to your house, sit next to your pod home, reach in and grab a bag of crickets to munch on and wait for the temperature to drop.
ian crossland
What do you think is the resistant way around that?
I don't know.
tim pool
Farm?
ian crossland
Chickens!
tim pool
Chickens eat crickets.
Chickens, you eat chickens.
You know what I mean?
That's what I'm talking about.
matt kibbe
It's all about chickens.
unidentified
It's true.
hannah claire brimelow
Everything goes back to chickens.
tim pool
Well, goats.
You know, goats are pretty cool.
Goats are good people.
They're good to eat too, yeah.
Cows are alright.
Cows are chill.
And cows, it's only a couple years, so you can eat the whole thing.
You know what I mean?
So you just gotta keep making more of them.
They eat grass.
There's a lot of grass.
Grass is everywhere, you know?
In fact, we got so much grass, we gotta pay a guy to take it from us.
Like, when you have big acreage, The farmers come and just take it all for you.
They bail it all up and they're like, it's a couple hundred bucks for us.
unidentified
We need it.
tim pool
Cows eat it.
They just take it.
And you know, how about we just get some goats?
Then the goats eat the grass and the goats give us more goats and we eat the goats.
Or the chickens.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Goats also give you milk, which I even remember milking when I was growing up.
I wanted to say they've been pushing this energy plan in Maryland for a while now, for over a year.
And I think that people are going for it because it's going to save them money, and times are so hard, they're literally taking out loans so they can get groceries.
It makes perfect sense to me.
tim pool
You guys ever see that bit?
I can't remember who did it, where he's like, a get-rich-quick scheme, and he's like, you put seeds in the dirt, put some water on it, the food just grows right out of the ground!
You can sell it!
unidentified
You sell it to people to give you money for, it just comes right out of the ground!
tim pool
It's like, people in cities really don't understand these concepts.
I mean, people might be thinking, oh come on, of course people understand farming.
No, dude, Kyle Kalinske was on a plane and he took a picture out the window at a bunch of farms and said, I wonder why it looks like that?
And people were like, bro, dude, come on.
matt kibbe
What is that circle?
Is that an alien thing?
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
He's having like this really insane, like, did you guys ever notice this?
tim pool
You're looking at farms, dude.
That's where our food comes from.
hannah claire brimelow
The article that we were looking at before referenced buy now pay later services and I'm thinking of like after pay and I think that comes into, you know, you can pay $40 for the shirt or you can make four payments of $10 for the shirt and I think some of that comes into our we don't like to deal with the consequences of our actions mentality that a lot of culture have.
You know, There's instant gratification and there's delayed repercussion with that kind of strategy and I think it makes people divorced from the reality of the impact they're having on their own personal finances.
Obviously inflation is a huge deal but I think we're also trying to find ways to not feel it and it's creating larger problems down the line.
tim pool
I think it's time to move out to the middle of nowhere.
You know, before we moved out to here, West Virginia, we were looking at Montana, but Montana is actually really expensive, like comparably expensive to being.
So it's like, you got to find the happy medium where you're close to a city, but far enough away to where it's actually cheaper, but you still have an airport.
Looked at Wyoming.
I'd rather be up in a big mountain somewhere with a satellite dish, but you just, it's impossible to run a business and fly guests in and things like that.
Plus there's no fuel and food.
It's really, it's, it's a lot harder to come by, but surprisingly the property there is comparably expensive.
You know?
matt kibbe
So we're all moving off the grid.
tim pool
I mean, yes.
hannah claire brimelow
Not you, aren't you on Capitol Hill?
tim pool
I mean, the Free Damastan we're setting up is going to be off the grid.
I mean, it's on the grid because we're not trying to separate ourselves from the grid for some political point, but we have the capabilities of operating independently with welled water, solar systems, and electric cars, electric bikes.
We can charge them up with solar power and massive batteries.
We're good to go.
You've got to be independent.
And then what we have over there, we have like 18 roosters, I think now.
Gotta start eating them.
Yeah, Chris doesn't want to eat them though.
He'd rather let them live and just be free.
And I'm like, but then the fox eats them.
Dude, that's not fair.
I want to eat them, you know?
But he doesn't want to eat them.
hannah claire brimelow
It's your Chicago upbringing.
You guys aren't ready.
tim pool
I'm ready!
These chickens, some of them are dicks.
You know, like, you know, we got some, some chickens that are just mean and nasty.
They're food as far as I'm concerned.
The ones that are really nice, we'll let them keep laying their eggs and have babies and, you know, live a good healthy life.
But, you know, you can't, you can't wait too long until you eat them.
Because then they get nasty.
And the, and the roosters are hard to eat anyway.
They're rubbery.
But you just gotta put them in a pressure cooker and cook them overnight, make rooster stew or something like that.
matt kibbe
Do you have recipes?
tim pool
No, no, I don't.
hannah claire brimelow
Will we make a chicken cookbook though?
I feel like that would be a Tim Cass product.
tim pool
I think it's funny that the chickens that we have in Chicken City are in like a Truman show and they have no idea that we eat them and we're eating their eggs and they're just oblivious.
And it makes me wonder about our life and everything that's going on in the world because they're treating us like chickens.
You know, they're lying to us.
Look, I let the chickens do their thing.
You know, they wake up and they run around and they eat bugs and eat food and it's just there.
They don't realize that we are in control of their existence.
And that's what I feel like these global elites and the black and white foreign types are doing to us right now.
Just lying to us to control us, and they're like, we don't care if they do a podcast.
I don't care if the chickens scream, you know what I mean?
It's like, they don't care if we do this.
ian crossland
Yuval Noah Harari calls some people useless eaters.
He's claiming there's like a class of people that are considered useless, the useless class.
I don't think that he would consider you in the useless class, because you're actually contributing, you know, emotional support for society and things.
But a lot of people that just get home from their nine to five, drink Bud Light and watch sports, it's like he considers them relatively useless.
Which is, you know, I don't personally.
They can do a lot, but you know if they're not doing a lot, that potential is not kinetic.
hannah claire brimelow
But wouldn't the idea be that like someone who just like consumes the products and does their job, actually they're very useful because that's how you make your money?
That's who you're showing advertising to?
tim pool
No, because a lot of these jobs are useless and don't provide towards any goal, right?
So the view that these people have is you are useless.
Your job is useless.
And if you weren't around, it'd be better for everybody.
And that's a scary prospect.
ian crossland
They want to put him in the metaverse on pharmaceutical psychedelics.
I think you all know who he is.
He's with the World Economic Forum.
He thinks that that's the future of the useless classes.
They'll be put on like pharma.
tim pool
Or sterilized.
ian crossland
Or both!
Or all!
That's the point.
in their verse experiencing what they want to experience.
I mean, we're sterilized.
tim pool
We're both, but they'll be happy about it.
We're all.
They'll be completely, look.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
It's about keeping them docile.
tim pool
When NorLink becomes public, these woke cultists are gonna be lining up,
screaming and begging for it.
That's it.
That's crazy.
They're gonna be, you know.
But yeah, and we'll see though, if we get to that point where we actually do get,
you know, computer brain interface working, because there are some difficulties with it.
Technology may not be around the corner.
Elon Musk is trying.
He's got monkeys doing weird monkey stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
Would you sign up for it?
Would you get Neuralink?
tim pool
Me, no.
But there is an interesting point about, right now the issue with Neuralink is it's like, what is it, read-only, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Write is where it gets interesting.
So I'll put it this way.
If you could get a port attached to your, you know, brain stem or whatever, And it would probably be a magnet wireless transmission.
I doubt it would be like a plug that clicks in.
But you put it on the back of your neck and it writes to your brain and then all of a sudden you're in Lord of the Rings.
You're in Die Hard.
You're John McClane.
Yippee-ki-yay!
Everyone would want it.
It would be a literal dream come true.
unidentified
People would be like, you get to, you mean I get to be the carrot?
tim pool
And then they go into a world where they're a carrot.
They're just like running around yelling.
Like some people want weird, weird stuff, man.
ian crossland
They'll be trying to explain something to someone and the person's like, I don't get it.
And they're like, let me show you.
And then you see what they're thinking.
And then it's going to be like, how do I compete?
I want to interact with people like that.
I want to show them what I'm feeling.
Can I, so I got to get the plug.
hannah claire brimelow
That sounds appealing to me.
unidentified
It's a tattoo.
hannah claire brimelow
I have to say.
tim pool
Yeah, it does, doesn't it?
hannah claire brimelow
No, it doesn't.
It doesn't sound appealing to me.
This sounds horrifying.
I feel like your brain is your own personal space and to be like, well, but if I give you a link, you can come join me here.
Like, no, get out.
tim pool
But it's not even about that.
It's about some guy goes to work at McDonald's and then he's just like, he's making the burger and he's like, walks over.
Here's your burger, sir.
Thank you very much.
Here's your drink.
And then he goes home and he's like, he takes the thing, clicks it to his neck and then all of a sudden, I am Valsanor, hero of the fourth wind!
And then he starts fighting dragons.
People are going to beg for that.
They're going to line up and be like, I hate my life.
ian crossland
I want to be a rabbit.
tim pool
And then they're going to go into rabbit sim, and they're going to run around as a rabbit.
And they're going to go into goat simulator, and they're going to run around headbutting people and things like that.
Or goose simulator.
Remember goose?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
That goose game?
That game was fun.
ian crossland
Headbutt simulator would be cool.
And it's gonna be time dilation, so they'll be able to go in for what they perceive as 20 hours, and then when they're done, it's only an hour has gone by.
I mean, how would you not want that ability?
tim pool
Dude, people are gonna go visit loved ones who died.
It's gonna get dark.
But people are gonna beg for it.
They're gonna be like, in this simulated world, we've taken all of your father's Facebook posts, compiled them into an AI, and now you can go and hang out at a cafe for his birthday.
unidentified
And you're gonna go in, and he's gonna be there, and he's gonna be like, you know, I'm a robot, but I'm your dad.
tim pool
And then you're going to be like, I miss you, dad.
ian crossland
It could be to the point where anyone that resists that could be seen as a terrorist to the status quo.
Like if you wanted to stop people from getting embedded in that system, you're in the way of what's right and what's good.
And you are a danger to society.
Like I can see that.
tim pool
You're a religious zealot.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, the thing is, if you believe in liberty, you would let people sign up for it if they want to be in it.
But ultimately, every time you come out of that simulation, you'll feel more depressed.
You'll hate your life even more.
I think you would hope that enough people want to invest in the fact that they have
a real life that they can make whatever they want out of it.
ian crossland
Or they can go into pain simulator and then when they come out they're like, well this
isn't so bad.
tim pool
Yeah, but look at postmodernism.
People don't believe in reality.
They don't believe in objective reality.
They would rather live, you know what, hey, I say let them do it.
In fact, we should all agree, let's, all the postmodernists, how about we give you guys
Neuralink, we hook you guys up, put you into pods, we'll make sure that pod economy is
working just fine for all of you because we don't want you coming out.
And then we'll live our lives, everything will be fine, and you get to live the world
but everything works.
We believe in objective reality, so we'll take objective reality.
You take the pod universe, and we'll polish those pods nice and clean all for you.
And there you go.
Works for me.
matt kibbe
I don't think so.
Finally a happy ending to this.
Yeah, and then it worked out.
This is such a dark conversation.
ian crossland
Yeah, because if you do put people in pods and then kind of let them off on their own,
it'd be like letting an AI figure out how to wipe out humanity on its own.
If you don't watch it and watch what it's doing, it can very well be working to destroy you in the background.
matt kibbe
I feel like I've seen this movie.
It's interesting.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I was just thinking about Terminator 2 last night.
matt kibbe
I don't realize Dyson, man.
tim pool
But the issue with the Matrix is it shouldn't be robots, it should be people.
People run the Matrix, and some people want to be in the Matrix, and they choose to be.
And what would really end up happening, or I think a probable scenario, is that if we actually built the Metaverse, you'd have a lot of people, and there'd be a company that says, we can hook you into the Metaverse permanently.
Your body will be suspended in a float solution.
We'll take care of you to make sure there's no injuries.
We'll keep you healthy and your body will be regulated.
And the neural link will actually stimulate muscle growth and will provide you with a feeding tube.
And in this universe, you will do work and that work will interact with objective reality.
You can leave at any time.
Tons of people would sign up for that.
And then what would you do in the digital world?
Coding.
You know, jobs related to the arts and things like that and software development.
And then just harvest your body heat, get some like piezoelectric gel that's... No, you're in the metaverse, and you're a philosophy teacher, or you're a mathematician, or you're a software developer, or you're a consultant, or any kind of non-physical labor job.
You'd host a podcast, and then people in the real world listen to your show, and you're just in a pod floating there, but your brain is creating this simulation, and you make money from that.
And then you have to pay the pod company a percentage of revenue or a monthly, yearly fee of, you know, 20 grand or whatever to maintain the pod for you.
And you live in your own universe.
And then in this universe, let's say you host a podcast.
And then when the podcast is over, you stand up and you're like, all right, guys, thanks for coming, everybody.
I'm going to go fight some dragons for the next few hours and then fly away.
And then like, you know, your guest is like, I'm going to go be a dragon and then turns into a dragon and flies off.
That's the world people are going to want to live in.
And they're gonna pay to do it.
ian crossland
And, like, your Super Chat followers will be in your party at the end of the night.
You're like, now I'm gonna fight dragons and, like, the top four Super Chatters are gonna be in the party with you fighting the dragons tonight.
tim pool
Yeah, you're gonna be like, if you Super Chat and you're in the top four, you get to come fight dragons.
Or aliens.
Or zombies.
Or zombie alien dragons.
ian crossland
Whatever.
hannah claire brimelow
I totally believe you that people will pay for this and people will want it.
It just personally sounds so unappealing to me.
I believe so fundamentally that you have this life to live and you have to do something with it in this time.
Like deciding that you are going to- it's like as if you were telling me I'm just gonna spend the rest of my life watching TV.
Like that's what I'm hearing when you sign up for Neuralink.
Like, you're just looking to be distracted from the reality of the world.
And if that's your choice, I respect it.
Like, I don't want to tell people what to do, but I think ultimately you're lying to yourself if you think you will ever be a more satisfied person from completely devoting your life to another universe.
tim pool
The postmodernists will be.
unidentified
Maybe so.
tim pool
Absolutely.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think they're very happy now, but maybe.
tim pool
Well, they don't want to be what they are.
Like, there are people who want to be cats.
There are people who want to be animals and there are people who want to be cartoon animals.
They identify as these things.
They would absolutely take the Neuralink implant.
ian crossland
But it's better than just watching TV like another.
It's like if you were reading Twitter all day and then making an internet video show on YouTube at the end of the night.
Like kind of like exactly what Tim does and what I do.
tim pool
See, I mean, the important thing people need to understand right now is that this show is actually produced in the metaverse.
We're not real people.
hannah claire brimelow
I hate it here!
tim pool
Hannah Clare is actually a 35 year old man named Bob.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm being kidnapped!
Send help!
ian crossland
So it's an interactive way to experience humanity, but you're saying that you think power off, like just being out in the field is better?
Like, what do you mean it's not good?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think fundamentally it's a deception, right?
You may feel like you're fighting dragons, you may feel like you have a podcast, and you may have some kind of relationship with someone who also is pretending to be something.
It, to me, reminds me of the criticism you get of social media, right?
That everyone is putting out a fake front.
And that's why we tell people to stop checking Instagram and Twitter all the time, because it's actually bad for your mental health.
tim pool
You know what'd be really funny, though?
If, like, it turned out all of this is one weird metaverse simulation for Hannah Clare, who's actually a 56-year-old morbidly obese man, who's like, I just wanna be a young blonde woman!
And so, like, you're sitting here being like, you're all crazy, metaverse is terrible, but, like, it's actually your simulation.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think if I were to wake up and realize that I was in the metaverse and that was true, I would be really miserable, which means I would go back into the metaverse, right?
And I think that's terrible.
Like, I think giving people, you know, we talked about earlier that Facebook intentionally tried to see if they could make people depressed and Follow the content they produce afterwards like that is what this is opening the door to because what what is the point of not having you hooked up to the neural link?
tim pool
You're gonna be on your deathbed and your family's gonna be around you and they're gonna be like we love you Nana and you're gonna be like I lived a good life.
And then all of a sudden it's going to blink and you're going to wake up as a 56-year-old morbidly obese guy and go, ugh, back to the salt mines and gotta go to work.
hannah claire brimelow
But think of all the relationships you would form in the metaverse that you would think are real and then if anything were to happen to your pod, they'd get deleted.
They're not real.
tim pool
I mean, kind of, but, you know, I don't lament not hanging out with Princess Peach after I beat Mario, so, you know.
ian crossland
I had a friend that did an ayahuasca ceremony, and he said it was like a two-day ceremony, and he said he lived another life in this ceremony, like a psychedelic experience where he had family, a wife and children that he remembers and still, to this day, misses.
Like, he knows them.
That's wild.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
I've heard a lot of crazy stories like that.
DMT's crazy.
hannah claire brimelow
I think just being told constantly that, like, even if you forget, right, you're in the metaverse so intensely and you're doing whatever, if it ever were to be over, you would be destroyed, right?
And I think that's why you have to live your real life and not your fake life.
And if there are things that you are aspiring to be, right?
I can't help you if you want to be a cartoon cat.
Maybe you should draw one and become a cartoonist.
tim pool
Or go to the Metaverse.
You could be a cartoon cat.
hannah claire brimelow
Don't go to the Metaverse.
Don't go.
ian crossland
You going in, Matt?
matt kibbe
I'm not going in.
I'm analog.
I want to actually live the life I have, so call me old school.
ian crossland
Will you work with the developers on it?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think it's old school.
ian crossland
It's my current thought.
matt kibbe
Unless I can become a cat, because that sort of sounds cool.
ian crossland
You can!
tim pool
In the metaverse, you can be a cat.
hannah claire brimelow
That's how they get you.
It's going to be like drugs.
They're going to be like, just try it once.
See what the cat's like.
matt kibbe
I just want to knock stuff off the counter.
ian crossland
No one will blame you for it.
tim pool
It's like all I ever want to do is climb up on someone's table and just throw stuff onto the floor.
ian crossland
I want to scratch it.
hannah claire brimelow
You could do that in your real life.
I just want you to know that.
tim pool
Now, why do they do that?
You know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
They're dominant.
tim pool
They do this thing where they go to a door and then yell at you and you open the door and they turn around and walk away.
Like, they just want the door open?
Is that what it is?
matt kibbe
It's because cats are libertarians.
tim pool
You know what I love?
I love it when they go up to a door and they start yelling and then they'll put their paws under it and they're shaking the door and yelling at you like, open it!
And then you open it and they just walk off.
They just don't want the door closed.
Keep it open.
hannah claire brimelow
I had a cat who would stand there and scratch the door constantly.
He thought he could dig his way through it.
You'd open the door and he'd be like, I don't even know why you did that.
I'm going the other way now.
tim pool
So, Bocas, downstairs in the pantry, he's always screaming to open the door.
And you do, and he immediately runs to these loose kibbles that are on the ground, because he's a weirdo.
And he's tricking you.
It's a trick.
Because as soon as you walk away, he jumps into the box of bacon.
lydia smith
That's right, I've seen him do that.
tim pool
And then he starts tearing the bacon open and eating all the bacon.
lydia smith
Oh, that animal.
tim pool
He's an animal.
Dirty.
So then when I caught him doing it, I picked him up, and he was yelling.
He was like... Genius!
No, you yelled at me.
He was pissed.
One time it was really funny.
He was trying to go in the garage and I kept blocking his path.
And then he got really mad and just went like this with his hand real slow and then whacked me one time on the leg.
And then I was like, what are you doing?
And then he just walked away.
ian crossland
I went up behind him.
He was looking out the window and I kind of roughly petted him on his sides and he turned around and swiped at my face with full claw.
Just got the hair, but he was letting me know I'm faster than you, sharper than you.
Just don't mess with me.
matt kibbe
Just a shot across the bow.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And I've never.
Touched him that way again, we have a much better relationship.
hannah claire brimelow
You're only supposed to go with the flow of their birthday.
tim pool
Fridays are the best.
ian crossland
Watch their tails.
tim pool
This is the important news.
ian crossland
If they start flipping their tails, you're gonna lay off.
tim pool
Everybody can relate to, you know.
matt kibbe
Yeah, my cats are hardcore objectivists.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
matt kibbe
Rourke, Ragnar, and Riordan.
tim pool
Nice.
matt kibbe
And they absolutely believe that they are superior.
Of course.
And frankly, they are.
ian crossland
What's the hierarchy like over at the Kibbe household?
matt kibbe
They own everything, and they eat better than we do.
When we're eating crickets, they're still gonna be eating the good beef.
Because that's the way it is.
And by the way, the other half of this story, and this will upset some people listening, dogs are actually communists.
tim pool
I don't know if you've noticed this.
matt kibbe
Always looking for a handout, always looking for secondhand affirmation, like a pat on the head.
My cats don't do that stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, cats are libertarian.
ian crossland
Do you think that a pet dog, if faced with a pack of dogs that wanted him to join, would look at you in the eye and be like, sorry bro, I'm a communist at heart.
matt kibbe
100%.
ian crossland
Don't trust them.
matt kibbe
Yeah, don't trust them.
ian crossland
I want to love dogs.
They look like psychopaths when I look into their eyes.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's one of the reasons it's so nice when a cat likes you, because they don't have to.
Whereas dogs, they think you're in this together, and cats are like, I'm choosing this relationship with you.
You are lucky to have my tolerance.
matt kibbe
When a cat gives you a little bit of love, it's a boost to your self-esteem.
Finally, I matter.
tim pool
Yeah, dogs are clingy.
But I like dogs.
You know, I like dogs because they're loyal.
They're like loyal soldiers, you know?
They're there for you.
hannah claire brimelow
And you are not going to get your cats to do... You can never train a cat to do anything.
They train you.
ian crossland
There's a theory that cats domesticated humans back in the day.
That's how it all happened.
It happened kind of synergistically, but a big part of it was cats teaching people how to chill.
tim pool
Cats are an invasive species that we tolerated.
hannah claire brimelow
One of the things I've heard is like cats- That's not true.
tim pool
That is incorrect.
hannah claire brimelow
They didn't meow.
They started doing that to talk to humans, like that they don't do this in the wild and they do it for your benefit, which I think is hilarious.
tim pool
Dogs were domesticated by humans and wolves slowly being pushed together for mutual benefit.
Cats just hang out and people laugh because they're funny and cats don't bother us.
That's why they're technically domesticated in that sense, but you can train them, but they're not really tradable because we did not.
Livestock, beasts of burden, all trained.
Horses trained.
Cats?
Sometimes people will train a cat because you can, but for the most part, they don't.
You can do some kind of training with them, but for the most part, because cats came into human existence by, like, jumping through our windows, and then we laughed about it.
Not because they ate mice.
Terriers were bred for hunting mice and rats.
ian crossland
Is there any way to get a cat, a male cat, to stop peeing?
unidentified
Yes!
ian crossland
How?
tim pool
Diapers!
We have diapers for him.
He can't go downstairs.
ian crossland
That must drive him nuts.
tim pool
He walks all funny, but if he's gonna piss on the floor, give him a diaper.
hannah claire brimelow
And they make those sprays that are supposed to tell your cat not to pee there and stuff like that.
Cat urine you like have to soak the- I don't know why I'm giving this advice on a podcast.
But anyways, I had a really great cat.
He died just about a year ago and I was obsessed with him but he went- whenever I like moved or something he had a really hard time adjusting with pee places and you have to clean with apple cider vinegar because it's so- the smell is so intense they can go back to exactly the same spot.
tim pool
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Robert Davi last night talking about all these crazy stories in Hollywood.
It was really, really fun how he met Pablo Escobar.
That's crazy.
Because he was a Bond villain.
And I guess Escobar, like, saw himself in this Bond villain and was like, why don't you come?
And, you know, and it's a crazy story.
It's legit.
You got a bag of emeralds or whatever.
Check that out.
Let's read some super chats.
Waffle Sensei says, Facebook took down my image of the email between Facebook and the White House.
They said it violated their community standards under the subsection of terrorism.
Dark Brandon hath risen.
ian crossland
Yup.
tim pool
David Ruck says, Biden said Trump and extreme MAGA Republicans are a clear and present danger to democracy.
Look up the clear and present danger rule to see how they'll start arresting their political enemies.
I think so.
I do.
Free men die free says, now more than ever it is important to amplify voices like Ron Paul.
Make it happen, Tim.
Ron Paul and Timcast do it.
Ron Paul's like top of the list.
We gotta get it Ron on.
How do we get Ron on?
Dr. Paul.
matt kibbe
He's in DC tomorrow.
tim pool
Is he really?
lydia smith
Really.
tim pool
Does he have time?
matt kibbe
I'll ask around.
unidentified
Yes!
matt kibbe
That'd be so cool.
He doesn't travel that much anymore.
hannah claire brimelow
You guys have talked about being able to go to him though, right?
tim pool
Yeah, but also I think his people said that he would come out here.
It's just scheduling, I suppose.
But we gotta get round.
I'll be here all day.
matt kibbe
Let's do it.
tim pool
Yeah, that'd be fantastic.
We can do a special interview with him.
He said tomorrow, right?
matt kibbe
The memes would be fantastic.
tim pool
Oh, it would be so amazing.
You know, I'm a big fan.
And we also want to get Rand on the show too, because Rand's like, one of the only good politicians, you know what I mean?
We're big fans of the Paul's here.
The Paul family.
matt kibbe
The Paul's.
tim pool
The Paul's.
Tim Poole likes the Paul's.
The Paul's are good people.
ian crossland
Like Logan.
Like Ron.
Like all the Paul's.
tim pool
Tim Ferris says, Joe wandered back around to a dead Mike.
I think your bingo card won.
Can I take credit for that?
We have, um, if walks wrong way.
That's true.
That's a good point.
He did walk the wrong way.
He turned around and went back and the Mike was dead.
I win!
What do you win?
I won the bingo.
I won the bingo from yesterday.
ian crossland
You won the prize?
tim pool
Yeah, he started late.
He walked the wrong way.
I got a free space.
He said, soul of the nation, and he said Trump.
That was easy.
lydia smith
That was easy.
ian crossland
At the end of the night, he started to walk to the left.
I thought, but then he was just saluting guys.
tim pool
But he turned around, then stopped, turned back around, and that's the wrong way.
ian crossland
Jill kissed him.
That was nice.
But he looked like he was like, oh, there's all these people watching.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm just surprised he made it through the length of that speech, to be honest.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was actually more cogent.
He was more cogent.
matt kibbe
It was such a rough start.
I'm like, oh, this is going to be rough.
But he actually, he hammered his way through it.
Like in terms of his delivery skills, it was pretty reasonable.
tim pool
All right, Grofty says spin the UFO.
ian crossland
Okay.
lydia smith
Get ready for this.
hannah claire brimelow
Where did this come from?
ian crossland
The UFO?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I saw an ad for it on Instagram and then I bought it.
ian crossland
Spinning.
tim pool
And then we had desktop cleaner one day and I made an Instagram video spinning it.
hannah claire brimelow
Nice.
tim pool
And then it became a meme.
ian crossland
Shout out to Adam Krigler for all the UFOs out there.
unidentified
All the spins.
tim pool
Aaron Bacon says, Twitter deleting accounts, which negative to Biden?
Is that true?
hannah claire brimelow
Is that post negative content?
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
Kevin Brady says, CNN didn't change it for optics.
I super chatted yesterday about the tint balance being green and they needed a magenta shift.
I'll tag Ian on Twitter now in my post, still bad optic choice.
I'm like, you know, maybe, but it's stupid and weird to do.
hannah claire brimelow
It seems like a weird mistake for such a huge net.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
I don't believe them.
I don't give them the benefit of the doubt.
ian crossland
The stuff right behind him was like dark black at first and then it slowly got, they brought the light up on that too.
tim pool
Farrell says, Biden's speech is meant to inspire violence following Trump's indictment.
My advice to GOP voters, do not attend rallies or protests regarding Trump's indictment.
Spread this message.
Focus only on voting and Biden's failures.
I would say I 95% agree.
I don't know about saying don't go to rallies and stuff like that.
I get it though.
They're gonna January 6th people.
You're gonna show up to a rally and you're gonna wave a little American flag and then some lunatic is gonna do something and they're gonna blame you for it.
But what's the alternative?
Tell people not to engage in their First Amendment rights of protest?
ian crossland
The key right now is do not harp on 2020.
Focus on fixing the Dominion proprietary voting machines and making the code Open.
tim pool
Win in the midterms and you get everything you want.
OK, probably not.
Depends on if the Republicans actually do anything.
But I will say this.
Your best chance right now is to hyper focus on winning the midterms.
Do not.
I think it's likely.
Trump will be indicted sometime soon, before the midterms, and then we'll end up hearing that some Trump supporter got violent, either because a Trump supporter got violent or because it's a false flag.
Whichever reason you want to believe, that's why I'm saying people need to stay away from any potential hot situations or whatever.
If, you know, people gotta have a right to protest.
But if you're out and you see stuff unfolding like January 6th, you better GTFO, and I'll tell you why.
I love protests.
You have a right to protest.
But this is right now the closing stretch of the midterms to get some hearings, to get some investigations, to get something done.
And there are traps and minefields all around you.
Strategy is extremely important.
Win the midterms.
This is desperation on Biden's part.
They're going to try and stop you.
They want you to make a mistake.
They're waiting for it.
They need you to make a mistake.
Don't make those mistakes, man.
Don't give them what they need.
All right.
All AlphaZeroBeta says, Joe says he's defending democracy, but I don't think the Green Party of North Carolina could agree less.
Democrats love democracy as long as it's two parties, not three.
Yeah.
What about the Libertarian Party?
They don't like them either, right?
matt kibbe
No, they don't like us.
Well, the Republicans don't like us that much either.
It depends which way the shift is.
tim pool
I love the assumption that the Libertarians would take votes only from Republicans.
That wasn't true, I don't think, in 2016, right?
matt kibbe
No, and I think generally Libertarians have a new community that turns out to vote.
I never really bought that Libertarians steal votes from either Republicans or Democrats.
They might be divided between Republicans and Democrats, but they're people that probably wouldn't have shown up.
hannah claire brimelow
I briefly covered the North Carolina Green Party, or some stuff that's going on, because they had a really hard time getting on the ballot this year, and they said the Libertarian Party was incredibly supportive.
matt kibbe
Yeah, I like the idea of people having choices.
How involved are you with Libertarian Party?
I am a Libertarian, big L Libertarian now, and I show up to their conventions, but I wouldn't say I'm better.
Mises Caucus?
I'm a big fan of the Mises Caucus, and I show up at state party events and speak for them.
I'm waiting for something to happen.
I think that libertarians spend way too much time fighting with each other.
And we gotta get to this idea that not everybody's gonna be just as perfect as I am.
And this is a libertarian disease where, like, if a guy disagrees with you on one thing, they go bananas.
I wanna build a big tent libertarianism that is like a fun place to hang out.
And we're not there yet.
We're not there yet.
We're fighting with each other.
tim pool
Pissed Off Patriot says, hashtag pedo-Hitler.
Pedo-Hitler was trending.
Like 200,000 tweets or something.
ian crossland
Man, that picture.
Yeah, that's crazy.
That's burned in infamy in my mind.
tim pool
They're screwed over that, to be honest.
They did not expect that.
I really don't think so.
And it is going to be used forever.
ian crossland
Yeah, forever.
tim pool
And it's going to freak people out.
They're going to look at that.
And that's what matters, feelings.
They're going to see that image.
And it's a creepy image of Biden looking despotic.
hannah claire brimelow
It's strange because I've heard a lot of descriptions like, oh, it was a patriotic presentation.
So this is patriotism done by people who don't like patriotism.
ian crossland
Hitler was patriotic to Germany.
His whole thing was one Germany, bring the German fatherland together.
If you're German first, you know, it was all about patriotism.
It doesn't mean it's good.
matt kibbe
That's kind of funny, like you could cut and paste the speech and part of it would have sounded like something that Ron Paul would say or some sort of Tea Party guy, you know, talking about liberty and the Constitution and all that stuff.
And it was almost like a caricature of someone that had no idea what those words meant and we're going to paste them all together and then we're going to divide the country.
tim pool
Seth Houser says the FBI can easily stage a fake MAGA Trump attack on the Capitol or whatever.
You think they will not do it?
They've done it before.
Well, we saw what happened with the Whitmer thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It was like, was it like 12 FBI agents and like four guys who were just like, I don't know, I guess, whatever.
unidentified
Aha!
tim pool
You're under arrest!
Good job, guys.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Derek Jones says, Tim, the right is missing something.
The imagery was deliberately chosen.
It was in part to provoke the right to act irrationally and violently just before an election.
It's no secret voters don't like the erratic and violent.
Then maybe, maybe they knew they were gonna make Biden look like a lunatic and it was on purpose because they want MAGA people to be like, oh, it's happening and freak out.
matt kibbe
I think it's a credible theory.
tim pool
I think everybody needs to tell everyone else to stay calm.
Do not let anybody, you know, talk people down.
If you're hearing people get crazy, don't let them.
Don't get crazy, man.
matt kibbe
You got to police your own community.
And one reason to show up at rallies is to make sure that that one guy, and maybe it's, maybe it's a plant, right?
You don't know who this one violent guy is, but everybody needs to take responsibility to shut that guy down.
tim pool
I remember I did a couple videos praising some leftist protesters because an Antifa guy started smashing bricks with a hammer to pull out of the ground or something, and the leftists grabbed him and brought him to the cops.
And I'm like, yes.
matt kibbe
That's what you have to do.
tim pool
Yeah, because the peaceful protests are a good thing, and they help your cause.
This guy got violent, they stopped him, and then the optics were good.
It's like, yeah, hey, look, but you know, the problem is a lot of these lefties, they support Antifa when they go and destroy the working class neighborhoods and stuff.
And so, you know, I get it.
You reap what you sow, you're going to lose support because of it.
hannah claire brimelow
It does seem like Biden's speech was a provocation to action for people on the right, and they just have to ignore it.
I mean, Tim's totally right.
You have to focus on midterms.
matt kibbe
But by the way, just a big mistake.
The idea that you're going to divide the country and the imagery With everything else sucking that bad, even if they get all their guys to show up, they're turning out independents that otherwise were sort of riding the fence right now.
I think it was a colossal strategic mistake.
Unless they get the violence that they want.
tim pool
Cheddar2648 says, MAGA is a third-party coalition of GOP conservatives, independents, and patriotic Democrats.
Trump is Perot's successor, a businessman outsider who infiltrated the GOP and beat them at their own game.
hannah claire brimelow
Ross Perot is wild.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah Noah Zork says vote quartering for the griffies phone and
PC. Oh, what does that mean?
lydia smith
I don't know what the gripties are.
ian crossland
The grifty is an awards ceremony.
tim pool
Is it because the quartering is selling coffee?
ian crossland
Yeah, he's a self-acknowledged greatest grifter on earth.
Jeremy, are you?
I think he was into it.
tim pool
Oh, really?
ian crossland
He's got a new place.
It looks cool.
Yeah.
tim pool
Really?
Is it coffee money, dude?
ian crossland
Yeah, big coffee.
tim pool
Yeah, big coffee.
Quartering is a coffee baron.
unidentified
Yeah, he is.
tim pool
Gotta be careful.
Coffee baron.
It's funny because he superchatted us like a ton of money to shout at his coffee.
I just find it hilarious.
hannah claire brimelow
He did that during ChairCast, right?
tim pool
Yeah, ChairCast.
That was fun.
ian crossland
Oh, he's number three.
Grifties.com.
lydia smith
Oh, snap!
ian crossland
Number one.
Tim's number six.
tim pool
Oh, I'm going down in this.
ian crossland
Nick Cricchetto.
Yeah, you're down from wherever you are.
tim pool
Nick Cricchetto?
ian crossland
Wait, I'm on there too.
tim pool
You're on there?
Nick Cricchetto's number two.
ian crossland
My name's under your name.
I don't know.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, okay.
tim pool
Really?
hannah claire brimelow
You're selling tip gas?
tim pool
You're number seven?
ian crossland
No, no, no.
My name is like a sub name under your name.
It's in number six.
unidentified
I don't know why.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
That's unfair to you, Ian.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I was wrong.
You grift that graphene like nobody else.
ian crossland
Next year!
lydia smith
Big graphene.
ian crossland
I'm in for your grifties.
tim pool
The grifties.
So I think the quartering was always above me.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Good for him, man.
Bravo, sir.
Bravo, sir.
So what's the website?
ian crossland
Griftys.com.
hannah claire brimelow
How long have the Griftys been around?
I'm just curious.
I haven't kept up with them.
It's the second annual.
lydia smith
Nice.
tim pool
How many are there?
ian crossland
Hotep's Been Told You presents the Griftys.
How many Griftys are issued?
tim pool
Yeah, what are they issued?
Like five?
Three?
ian crossland
I don't know.
lydia smith
What are their requirements?
I'm curious.
hannah claire brimelow
Are there categories like Best Female Actress?
ian crossland
Ghost of Kiev.
That's another one nominated.
I don't know enough about it, yeah.
But there's a video.
Hotep Nation presents 2021 Griftys Awards.
Oh, so 2022.
This is from last year, yeah.
tim pool
All right, we should, uh, we should, we should, hey, HOTEP, let's, we'll, we'll sponsor a big event.
No joke.
Let's do it.
Like, let's put a budget behind this and actually get some awards made and it would be amazing.
And if Jeremy won and we had him, he came out with a speech and like the coffee and then like.
ian crossland
Brought to you by.
tim pool
That'd be hilarious, dude.
That would, that would, that would be amazing actually.
We should do it.
unidentified
I'm into it.
tim pool
Hotep.
Let's do it.
unidentified
We love it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's the only award show we can get behind.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
That sounds pretty fun, actually.
It'd be cool.
Joe Novak says, loved the MTG playing MTG skit.
If she's looking for a real challenge, my wife has some killer decks.
No offense to Ian.
I loved the part when, in the full episode, Marjorie chats in the forum, blue sucks and you suck to Ian.
unidentified
Oh, no, no.
tim pool
She says white sucks and you suck.
ian crossland
That's great.
That forum scene's amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, that was good.
hannah claire brimelow
What about Marjorie Taylor Greene versus Post Malone?
tim pool
In Magic?
ian crossland
That's what we need.
That's the event we didn't know we needed.
lydia smith
That's some holy grail.
tim pool
That would be great.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you play Magic the Gathering?
matt kibbe
No.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't either.
tim pool
Andy Welsh says, the Darth Jar Jar theory postulates that due to the extreme audience backlash, Lucas was compelled to rework the entire prequel trilogy and abandon his original plan to reveal Jar Jar as the true Phantom Menace.
That's true.
Yeah, Jar Jar was the bad guy the whole time.
ian crossland
I've heard that theory.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess the ending of the sequels is that the Emperor is now a young woman.
Is that what, like, that's what happened?
unidentified
Ooh, feminism.
tim pool
I haven't seen it, but I was told.
He says something like, strike me down and I will take your body or something like that, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, well, I didn't see the movie.
tim pool
He said something like that.
He's like, I found a way to live forever.
If you strike me down in anger, I'll transfer my energy or whatever.
And then she does.
And so I was like, so is she, like, the Emperor is her now?
Like, he took her body over?
lydia smith
That's weird.
tim pool
The emperor was like, this whole nine movie arc was so that I could be a young woman.
hannah claire brimelow
See, he's the guy who needs the metaverse.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know, somebody told me I was wrong about that before or something like that.
rbracewell21 says, if you haven't already looked into executive order 14067 and think about how the inflation is manufactured, and remember the social credit score they were talking about with the Vax Pass, it's a bit scary, and would love to hear your take on it, Tim.
What is that?
What is that?
14-06-7?
ian crossland
Ensuring Responsible Development of Digital Assets is what it's called.
Signed on March 9, 2022.
83rd executive order signed by President Joe Biden.
83 executive orders signed by the guy.
The purpose of the order is to develop digital assets in a responsible manner.
Why an executive order, though?
It's not an emergency.
hannah claire brimelow
He is, he likes a good executive order.
I feel like, I haven't looked at the numbers, but.
ian crossland
We should let, this should be Congress's job.
They're the money people.
tim pool
What do we got?
Ugly Swan says, not my line, but it's good.
Our task is to look at the structure of why we are failing as human beings.
And I say all of us.
And if you don't have faith in the people, what do you have faith in?
Chickens.
lydia smith
Chickens.
Chickens will save us.
Chickens and Bitcoin.
tim pool
Yeah, we have a frizzle chicken.
You know, those are the feathers are curled and it's laying blue eggs.
It's a white chicken with frizzle feathers laying blue eggs.
How about that?
hannah claire brimelow
You'd miss that if you were in the metaverse.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
And then what happens is if you frizzle babies, you have to breed them with non-frizzle chickens because if you breed two frizzles you get a frazzle and their feathers disintegrate and then they're just naked chickens.
So what happens is you do a frizzle and I guess a normal farm chicken and then half of them will be frizzled when they get older.
ian crossland
What do you think about faith in humanity?
tim pool
What do you mean?
ian crossland
Do you have it?
tim pool
But what does that mean, faith in humanity?
ian crossland
The success of the sustainability of the species in the long future.
tim pool
It's not about faith in humanity.
It's about math.
It's the probabilistic outcomes of what happens to humanity.
Even if we blow ourselves up, some humans will still survive and then give it a certain amount of time and then humans come back.
ian crossland
That's the vibe I'm getting because the technology is so good.
I can't imagine that we didn't already succeed in some way, that we've been able to get to this point.
tim pool
Shell Beach says chickens are Tim's graphene.
Yes, that's true.
But I think Ian talks about graphene more than I talk about chickens.
But I do talk about chickens a lot.
ian crossland
And you know, a lot of times I talk about graphenes because you make me do it.
unidentified
You push me.
ian crossland
Graphene is a hexagonal... I'm just kidding, by the way.
tim pool
We got some Jersey Giants.
ian crossland
I want to get a picture of graphene behind me on the wall.
I'm gonna do that later.
tim pool
We got Jersey Giants.
They're the biggest chicken breed.
And there's four babies in the incubator right now.
ian crossland
They're scared!
Have you noticed that?
They're a little jumpy.
tim pool
Well, they're store-bought, so...
hannah claire brimelow
I want a Frizzle Jersey Giant crossover, so we have a really huge chicken with the curly feathers.
tim pool
And then what we do is, once we get that, we breed it with the silkies, and they're called Sizzles.
lydia smith
Sizzles.
tim pool
Yeah, they have curly, very soft, fluffy feathers.
Yeah, and they're massive.
Yeah, super big.
And then we're gonna start having the biggest breed with each other and eventually we'll have like five foot tall chickens we can ride.
lydia smith
Yeah, that'll be great.
tim pool
That's the plan, man.
No, you'll never really be able to, I'm pretty sure, but there's the biggest rooster is a Brahma.
He was three and a half feet tall or something like that.
Crazy video.
Massive thing.
I don't even know how that thing would reproduce.
It would crush whatever it stood on.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yikes.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
matt kibbe
I'm stuck thinking about five foot chickens.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm stuck on that, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like this is our next project.
matt kibbe
Yeah, for sure.
In our dystopian future, when there is no energy, we will be riding chickens to El Salvador.
lydia smith
Yeah, that'll be fun.
tim pool
Or in El Salvador.
Because they've adopted Bitcoin as their national currency.
When the system collapses, they'll be the wealthiest nation on the planet.
It'll be like, you know, the new shining city on the hill or whatever.
All right.
Random user says, Lydia, let Tim know that Max Keiser is looking to start an English international news station in El Salvador with government help.
Interesting.
Well, we know Max.
Max is awesome, we're good friends with Max.
Man, I've known Max for a long time.
We found out in some really fun times in France and we've had him on the show, I think.
Was it just one time or what?
lydia smith
Twice.
tim pool
Twice?
Yeah, we got to have them back.
Max and Stacy are amazing.
Big fans.
David C. Kronk Sr.
says, if Ian can see ghosts, he can be a happy medium.
ian crossland
I've seen infrared light.
One time I woke up out of a deep sleep and I saw it going in.
It looked like it was going into my phone, but that's just because my perception was warped and I lost perception of it.
But yeah, you can visualize, you can perceive infrared light, which may be ghostic.
tim pool
Anthony says, we eat our roosters.
We use them as roasters.
Same taste as hens.
I guess if you eat them young enough, you know, they're food.
They're better.
hannah claire brimelow
Everyone just hold out for the TimCast official chicken cookbook.
lydia smith
That's right.
It's gonna be good.
ian crossland
I don't know.
lydia smith
Chicken pot pie.
ian crossland
How to cook, how to serve chicken.
tim pool
It's really, it's really nuts when you go order wings at like a restaurant and it's like you order six wings, that's three chickens.
Well I guess technically if you get flats and drums then it's like one and a half chickens.
But still crazy.
unidentified
That's a lot.
tim pool
You're like, I will have one and a half chickens worth of wings and flats.
matt kibbe
You make coq au vin with Roosters.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, what's that?
matt kibbe
Big old chicken.
It's basically chicken cooked in wine.
It's a classic French country dish.
unidentified
Oh, really?
matt kibbe
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
In our cookbook, we can have Matt Kibbe's Coq Au Vin.
matt kibbe
I make a pretty wicked Coq Au Vin.
tim pool
Neglectful Sausage says, People in the Matrix didn't get shoved into pods by the machines.
Man did it to themselves.
The ultimate social safety dream is metaverse.
No one can be harmed.
It'll be illegal to not go, just like reckless driving imperils you.
Adrian Curry says, Four days brine and all day in the crockpot makes any rooster taste perfect.
Ooh, brine.
That sounds amazing.
hannah claire brimelow
Another recipe for our cookbook.
tim pool
We gotta figure out which rooster we're gonna execute.
You know, we should have a trial.
matt kibbe
There's so many to choose from.
tim pool
We should have a trial.
hannah claire brimelow
Get them lawyers.
It'll be great.
lydia smith
Chicken lawyers.
matt kibbe
I'll bring the wine.
It'll be delicious.
lydia smith
Sounds great.
tim pool
Brine.
Four days in brine.
lydia smith
Brine and wine.
tim pool
That sounds really good.
lydia smith
Try both of them.
hannah claire brimelow
Then we just have a cooking channel where we only make chicken.
unidentified
In a crock pot.
tim pool
StarlingXKnight says, Tim, big fan.
I work in the intel community for a living with focus on international incursion and influence.
Social media is being incredibly arrogant and y'all are right.
Pushing Maoist-like info ops.
This is what our adversaries need to break us.
Yeah, I think it's probably China.
You know, that's why Trump wanted to ban TikTok.
Because it's China.
hannah claire brimelow
It's definitely China.
tim pool
And they got your kids, man.
What does it say?
Adrian Curry says, trial on stream.
Should we cook the rooster and then have it here on IRL and we're eating the rooster during the show?
Special cooking show.
ian crossland
She's suggesting we figure out who's guilty live.
tim pool
Oh, I see.
I see.
Trial.
ian crossland
Bring them all into a room, ask them some questions.
tim pool
A whodunit.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Because you know one of them's guilty.
tim pool
So, we were talking about this because we have one Bard Rock rooster, like a zebra stripe looking one, like white and black, named Dorothy.
All the boys want her.
I don't know why.
Because I don't understand chicken, you know what I mean?
I just look at chickens, they look the same to me.
hannah claire brimelow
She's extremely beautiful.
tim pool
Dorothy and Vanessa... She's hot.
Well, I'm assuming that's what it is, right?
Dorothy and Vanessa both are Bard Plymouth.
Vanessa's got like an angry brow, she walks around.
And all her sons do, too.
That's crazy.
Yeah, so when you look at, we have a bunch of Blackstar boys.
That's when you breed the Rhode Island Red with the Plymouth, the Barred Rock.
So the boys, you can tell which one's Dorothy's and which one's Vanessa's because of the angry eyes.
But Dorothy's got like big round eyes.
She was, we had to lock her up because she was getting hurt.
And then one day she accidentally got out and immediately the boys ran over and just like were like, they wanted her, man.
You know, it's just...
lydia smith
She's got those chicken pheromones.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
unidentified
Maybe the roosters were like, yo, look at her butt feathers, dude.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe we should have a chicken beauty pageant and then she can hand down the crown and then they'll all know who to be attracted to next.
tim pool
We had to separate her from the boys because they were injuring her.
lydia smith
Protective custody.
tim pool
Crazy.
She's got a lot of kids, though.
lydia smith
Yep, no kidding.
tim pool
Yeah, they're huge, too.
Vanessa's sons are nasty.
They're massive and they're really angry and mean.
That's why I'm like, I want to eat them.
You know, they're food now.
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Arrogant little pricks.
All right.
tim pool
Let's grab a couple more Super Chats.
MTH says they're going to memory hole that Biden photo from last night.
People are sharing it everywhere, but it's surprisingly hard to find through Google.
It is actually hard to find through Google.
You search for a bunch of terms and they give you similar ones, but they're different.
hannah claire brimelow
Download and save it now, then put it on your family Christmas card.
tim pool
We got it all on Instagram.
Unless they ban it, I guess.
lydia smith
Joe Rogan's got it on Instagram.
matt kibbe
This is my point.
Like, Google's banning it, but it's everywhere.
tim pool
Yeah.
Right.
matt kibbe
They're trying to stop it, but they can't.
tim pool
Matthew says, Tim, look at the NCLA discovery.
Pretty sad.
What is that?
lydia smith
I have no idea.
tim pool
The Masternator says, does Tim root against Peter Griffin when he fights the giant chicken?
No, I think they're both responsible.
Murph's Kick says, Tim, let me make Roberto Jr.
some Jordans.
Seriously, check my IG, brother.
Okay, you're gonna make Jordans for our rooster?
lydia smith
That sounds amazing.
tim pool
Okay.
lydia smith
Awesome.
tim pool
Sounds good.
My friends, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com to support our work, and you gotta check out the Cast Castle show.
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We had Marjorie Taylor Greene playing Magic the Gathering, and it's a really funny episode.
And then we've got a four-part series coming out starting next week.
This is gonna be, what does that make it out to, like an hour-long total?
No, it's going to be like an hour and 20 minutes, the whole arc when it's done.
And there's going to be multiple cameos in it.
And it's going to be, it's really funny and spicy.
I'll just put it that way.
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ian crossland
You guys follow me anywhere on Ian Crossland on social media and check out the Cast Castle.
If you want to see what happened, I was actually in that movie with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
It was spectacular and I'm looking forward to doing more, perhaps with Marjorie again in the future, perhaps with other great actors that come on and show their stuff.
Great to be there.
Great to see you.
See you next week.
lydia smith
Thank you guys all very much for tuning in on this Friday evening.
Hopefully you were all chilling hard while we were talking.
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tim pool
I think I'll shout this out.
I think it's fine to shout out.
We have two guest cameos.
I think just two.
Maybe three, actually, in the next episode.
We might have three.
Yeah.
Robert Davi.
ian crossland
Spectacular.
tim pool
It's an amazing cameo.
It's going to be brilliant.
So check it out Tuesday at 7 p.m.
Thanks for hanging out.
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