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Timcast IRL - Armed Man Who Attacked FBI SHOT DEAD, Posts Admission On Truth Social w/Bethany Mandel
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earlier today a man went to an FBI office in Cincinnati with a rifle and a
nail gun and he tried to, I guess he tried to breach the building.
He opened fire.
They're saying in the direction of FBI agents, so it's hard to know exactly how it all went down, but we know that after an alarm was set off, he fled.
Ended up in a cornfield where he was opening fire on police The breaking news now is this man is dead He was shot and killed after about a five-hour standoff now.
It's being reported this man.
This man's name is being reported I'm not here to shout his name out but we'll get into the story because apparently he was on truth social and he made a bunch of posts talking about why he did what he did and And if this is the correct person who's posting on Truth Social, it was about the FBI raid on Donald Trump.
So we got to talk about that.
And then of course we have Merrick Garland has come out and stated that he signed off on the raid of Donald Trump's home.
My opinion?
Revenge.
Of course.
He's pissed off.
Conflict of interest, and this is one of the problems you have with weaponized and politicized law enforcement.
So we're gonna talk about that.
There's a lot of other stories to go through.
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Larry Elder was particularly interesting.
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She mentioned that the government actually was targeting her to get her censored on social media platforms.
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Joining us today to talk about all of these issues is Bethany Mendel.
bethany mandel
Hey, thanks for having me.
tim pool
Would you like to introduce yourself?
bethany mandel
Yeah, so I am the editor of a children's book series called Heroes of Liberty.
And I am a columnist at Deseret News and a mom of five and a half people.
tim pool
Five and a half people?
What's a half person?
bethany mandel
Percolating a new person.
tim pool
Ah, making new people.
Oh, glad to hear it.
bethany mandel
You're watching it happen in real time.
tim pool
On this show!
Right on.
Well, thanks for joining us.
We also have Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
hannah claire brimelow
Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
bethany mandel
No, what is that site?
hannah claire brimelow
It's this super cool kind of independent news site.
We do news on all kinds of things, all kinds of issues.
I post five times a day, and I think this is the longest my intro has ever been.
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Oh, very nice.
ian crossland
News guard certified.
hannah claire brimelow
It is, but not good enough.
ian crossland
82 out of 100.
Insulting.
tim pool
No, but it is.
They posted a bunch of fake news about us, had to correct it, refused to issue proper corrections, violating their own policies.
And I take it very seriously.
If they're going to claim USA Today, which admitted to fabricating 23 sources and their stories, is more responsible than we are when we've had one article out of 4,000 that required a correction, that they noticed.
We issue corrections all the time when we make mistakes.
But they're like, we noticed one article, so you're irresponsible.
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Get out of here.
tim pool
Anyway, Ian's here.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
Anyway, I decided to refresh last night.
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I was telling you guys about it before the show.
And instead of coffee today, I'm drinking coconut water.
I had a little bit of aloe vera.
Just the inner filet.
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They call it the flower.
I think the plant of life.
The Egyptians used to call it that.
Highly recommend.
Get it on!
Catch you later.
Let's do this.
lydia smith
Yes, let's do it!
I'm loving how many ladies we have here tonight.
You may notice I'm zoomed in a little bit more than usual.
It's because Hannah Clare is lovely and tall just like me.
I kept getting the top of her head in my shots.
I did crop it out.
I'm sorry, Hannah Clare.
hannah claire brimelow
Such a middle child.
I need all the attention.
lydia smith
No, it's fine.
It's all good.
I'm really excited for tonight.
I love my ladies.
Let's get going.
tim pool
All right, here's the first story from the Daily Mail.
Armed man who attacked FBI's Ohio field office is dead.
After five-hour standoff, suspect also attended deadly Capitol riot.
Now, We don't know exactly to what extent he was at the Capitol riot.
I think that maybe the Daily Mail is reporting something different.
I've read a bunch of other sources.
The New York Times says that he was there the night before, but he's not been charged with any crimes.
But let's read and see what they say.
Ricky Walter Schiffer was shot dead by police Thursday after he raised a gun towards officers around 3 p.m.
State Highway Patrol confirmed.
Schifrin attempted to break into the office, prompting a five-hour standoff with authorities.
The body armor-wearing suspect fled the office and was chased onto the highway before abandoning his car by a cornfield on a country road just off of Interstate 71.
The confrontation came as officials warned of an increase in threats against federal agents in the days following a search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.
Investigators say Schiffer was also at the U.S.
Capitol during the January 6th insurrection, they report.
All right, well, they reported this stuff.
I'm gonna pull up some tweets that we have.
Travis View says, The New York Times identified the Ohio shooting suspect as Ricky Schiffer.
There is a truth social account using that name.
On the same day, the FBI executed a warrant on Mar-a-Lago.
The account made a call to be ready for combat and, I'm not going to read what he said next, but he called for extreme violence.
In the end, one of the last things he said was that, yeah, I don't think we should read exactly what he said, but he explained that he thought he had a way to get through bulletproof glass.
He was wrong.
He did not.
But this could explain why it was reported that he fired a nail gun at the FBI.
Now, I read on NBC he fired at the agents, but perhaps they said towards them instead of at was because there was bulletproof glass he was not able to penetrate.
But apparently this Ricky Schiffer guy on Truth Social was saying that he did it, and if you don't hear for him, it's because they got him or something to that effect.
So I guess my view on things, obviously, George Conway, all right?
I'm going to make sure I cite George Conway on this one.
He said they crossed the Rubicon.
This is anti-Trumper George Conway.
They crossed the Rubicon, which is an insinuation that a faction of people have crossed the point of no return towards, what, a civil war?
ian crossland
Yeah, but... Oh, there's no thing.
There's just some random dude that went crazy, in my opinion.
tim pool
No, no, no.
He's talking about the Democrats and the FBI.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Specifically.
So, Ian, you've talked quite a bit about, you know, ancient Rome and stuff like that.
The crossing of the Rubicon.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was forbidden in Rome.
There was a river right outside the city.
And if I get any of this wrong, just correct me in the chat and I'd be happy to go over it again.
It was illegal to ever bring troops across the river into the city of Rome.
That was something they'd all decided.
It was too dangerous.
So when Caesar was off on campaign, he had, you know, however many hundreds, thousands of troops that just basically worshipped him.
And when he decided he came back to Rome, he's like, they were going to try and put him on trial, to strip him of his power.
And he was like, you know what?
No, I want Rome.
He crossed the Rubicon with his troops, took the city, and they called it forever known as the crossing of the Rubicon is when you've taken that step, the one step too far.
tim pool
And that was the start of the Civil War.
ian crossland
That was basically the end of the Roman Republic and the beginning of the Empire.
tim pool
So there was this leftist outlet that they were like, the far right is saying this, that, or otherwise, or something like that.
And they said, Tim Poole said they crossed the Rubicon.
And I'm like, yeah.
And so did George Conway.
Like this is not a call to anything.
It's a statement of it's an observation.
I think they did.
bethany mandel
Yeah.
tim pool
And first and foremost, obviously, let me just say one thing.
This dude who went to the FBI field office must have really wanted Democrats to win.
Because I mean, we're months out from the midterm election.
And Surprisingly, he did exactly what the Democrats needed.
He got violent, failed, and now the Democrats have their example of what's wrong with the right.
That's why the craziest thing to me is like now is the absolute worst time for anything like that, and this is why I say violence doesn't work.
We are months away from Republicans taking the House and the Senate in what the Misery Index predicts will be a crushing defeat.
Except now, in the past few months, Democrats have evened out in the polling.
Something like this happens.
I think we're going to see Democrats spiking in the polls because of this.
bethany mandel
Yeah, no, I agree.
I mean, this is the continuance of the January 6th hysteria.
This is how they continue that line of conversation.
But I think that we need to be a little bit careful in, you know, knowing that this was the guy.
Because I was trying to Google which mass shooting was it where it was the brother that was identified.
And it went on for hours.
And this guy, like, he was getting calls.
Do you remember?
Was it Newtown?
I don't remember.
I don't remember which shooting it was, but there was a mass shooting where the brother was falsely identified.
And so I would just, you know, caution the expertise of whoever this guy is with QAnon.
Like, maybe it's not him, and maybe this guy… Well, the New York Times said this was the guy's name.
Oh, well, that's the beacon of truth and reality.
tim pool
I mean, sure.
But I guess the best thing we can do is... I mean, I always just wait 24 hours.
Right.
Fair point.
Fair point.
ian crossland
And even if it turns out that this is the guy, I don't think blaming a political party or a movement or any of that makes any sense because this guy just went up the rails.
unidentified
Yeah.
bethany mandel
I mean, it's the same as the baseball shooter.
ian crossland
What's that?
bethany mandel
The congressional baseball shooter.
That was never blamed on Democrats.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a guy who I think he was like even maybe a Bernie Sanders supporter.
tim pool
He was a Bernie Sanders volunteer.
bethany mandel
He shot Steve Scalise and like he opened fire at the the congressional baseball practice and almost killed Steve Scalise.
I mean very few people know about it because it was a story for like 0.3 days.
Meanwhile January 6th we've been talking about forever.
But, I mean, that violence, that was never crossing the Rubicon.
That was never blamed on Democrats.
It was just like, oh, it's just some crazy guy.
Like, maybe this is just some crazy guy.
tim pool
This crazy guy right now, I don't think is a crossing of the Rubicon.
I think the weaponization of the DOJ and Merrick Garland being like, yeah, I signed off on this, is a crossing of the Rubicon.
bethany mandel
Yes, and going into Melania's closet.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, look, we've talked about this when Trump was saying he would lock up Hillary.
Everybody was like, that would be a dangerous time in this country.
And then what did Trump do?
He said, we're not going to go after Hillary.
We're not going to do it.
And everybody was disappointed.
But Trump was like, no, no, you know, we're not going to do it.
And they didn't.
Trump was standing at that river line.
He was like, no, no, that's too much.
It's too much.
It's been in the Republic.
ian crossland
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
Meanwhile, Hillary has her hats, but her emails hats.
She's campaigning already, or at least fundraising.
bethany mandel
Go ahead.
ian crossland
I think I watched Merrick Garland.
He did a speech today, the official like explanation.
They said they're going to unseal the warrant to explain why they invaded.
Is that the right word?
Trump's house?
I don't know if what the word is here.
tim pool
Raided.
ian crossland
Raided.
They said, but don't call it a raid.
tim pool
It was a raid.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I mean, they went in there, you know, unannounced or maybe they announced themselves right before they went in.
tim pool
Well, they did.
They went to the lawyers, said, get out.
We're going to go do our thing.
Apparently they kept the cameras rolling.
ian crossland
So Rubicon, I don't know.
Jury's still out.
I want to see what the warrant said.
There is always the possibility that Trump was doing something extremely nefarious.
tim pool
And a warrant wouldn't prove that.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
But we're not, you know.
A warrant is their accusation of probable cause.
ian crossland
Or maybe they wiretapped him and then they heard him say, you know, no one, we don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, it's hard not to view this as a complete phishing expedition, right?
I mean, why would you write?
tim pool
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
It's hard not to view this as anything other than fake and weaponization.
Why?
Because of Russiagate.
Because of Ukrainegate.
Because we know they had fabricated evidence and manipulated evidence already.
So, you know, forgive me.
Hillary Clinton's email server, we looked at.
They said, oh, there's no criminal intent.
Fine.
Then they smear and lie about Trump.
They should have stopped the investigation into Russiagate a long time ago.
What happened?
A lawyer fabricated a letter or something?
It's been a while since I covered this story.
But anyway, sorry, I digress.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I was gonna say is that to me this warrant, you know, we've heard the story that there was a room that had a padlock on it that had the documents that they're requesting.
When you write a warrant you have to be specific about what you're asking for.
So theoretically Garland signed off on a warrant that said we want complete and unfettered access and we want the right to not announce because we think that they'll hide stuff.
That, to me, indicates that it's a grab.
They want to get as much stuff as possible and then maybe justify it later when they're like, oh, but look what we found when we showed up there.
In Melania's closet, there were all these secret things that we knew about.
tim pool
So to understand, what is it called?
The fruit of the poisoned tree?
Is that what it's called?
There's the exclusionary rule.
And this states that if your rights are violated and evidence is found, that evidence is inadmissible in court, So there was one story I remember reading about back in Illinois of a guy who had, they thought he was a murderer.
And so a cop ran his plates, pulled him over, and then while he said get out of the car, illegally searches the car, finds evidence.
Send in the evidence.
Turns out the stop was illegal.
The lawyers get it thrown out.
Exclusionary rule.
You cannot use evidence seized in violation of someone's rights.
With this, you get a warrant for something like classified documents.
Then, once you're inside, if you have a warrant, and you enter a home looking for, say, classified documents, and you find pills and a gun, That's a bold claim.
missable. So anything they found in the house, perhaps this was a fishing expedition and
or Trump suggesting they're planting evidence. That's a bold claim.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard about this story. What
if they play like how can you confirm or deny if they did that?
bethany mandel
I mean, I wouldn't put it past them. I was gonna say, I think of all there's like been
hannah claire brimelow
over 100 subpoenas that have been issued through the January 6th subcommittee.
When you subpoena people's documents records you can ask broadly for tons and tons of stuff.
They aren't being specific in what they want and that to me shows that they are kind of grasping at straws.
Like they are wanting you to turn over stuff so they can figure out later what you did wrong.
ian crossland
Is this the kind of thing where they can fabricate a warrant after the fact and make it look like they had it back in the day?
tim pool
No, we know this guy, this Epstein-linked judge signed off on it.
And so a lot of people are asking questions about this, but a lot of people are bringing up now that they think this is a false flag right before the midterms for an October surprise or for this to be weaponized to help Democrats.
Look, I gotta say, show me the evidence.
I mean, I certainly understand the possibilities, but show me the evidence.
Considering what happened with Ray Epps, I'm more inclined to believe there's malfeasance going on at the highest level.
This is a guy who went out on January 5th and 6th telling people to go in, and they're just like, oh, this poor man is a victim.
That's what the New York Times is writing about.
That's what they're claiming.
Adam Kinzinger is defending the guy, and I'm like, something doesn't make sense.
We know this guy.
He's on camera saying it, and they let him go?
So with this, look, the simple answer.
People are shocked and angered by the FBI raiding the former president's house.
And out of the 74 million Trump voters, one guy went nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Or one guy was nuts and then went off.
bethany mandel
Right, right.
tim pool
That's it.
I don't know.
Unless you guys think I'm wrong and the feds planned everything, but I just don't, I don't know.
ian crossland
No, I think it's legit.
I think this guy legitimately just like freaked out or was already freaked out.
I'm, I'm thinking about like, like, obviously you don't attack people.
That's not the way we live in a civilized society.
We have our second amendment because if we're attacked by our own government or by outside countries that we can defend ourselves.
And like, I think about like Nazi Germany, like I used to be like, why didn't they fight back?
Why didn't they like stop Hitler and stop the Nazis?
And like, you kind of don't can't cause it's illegal to fight the law.
bethany mandel
Yeah, it's also people are cowards.
I mean, the last two years have really shown me a lot of facets of human nature that I was just maybe in denial about, but people are sheep.
They just kneel at the face of power and all common sense goes out the window.
There's a lot of things in history that don't make sense.
tim pool
We're only a couple months away from a very, very serious election.
You've got people saying, you know, let Trump's second term begin January 3rd, or whatever, 2023, or whatever they do the swearing in.
Yeah.
Of these members of Congress in the Senate, or members of Congress.
And so now is the most crucial time.
Just the other day, this is funny, we had Naomi Wolf, and she said, it's gonna get crazy these next few months, right before the midterms.
And we're like, oh yeah, baby.
If you thought it was crazy before, wait till you see what's gonna happen next.
Sure enough, the next day, some guy goes up to the FBI field office with a nail gun and a rifle, and he tries breaking in.
I mean, this is crazy stuff.
But, I don't know, man.
The false flag narrative stuff, the reason I don't like it, as much as we've talked about Gulf of Tonkin numerous times, I understand the possibilities.
I know all about Operation Northwoods and this crazy stuff that they've done in the past.
It's like, you need evidence.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I'd love to believe we've exposed some nefarious plot.
Great.
Well, let's expose it.
But in order to do so, you can't start with the premise that's extraordinary.
You have to start with the, what happened?
A claim has been made.
It's been reported in the press that a guy did these things.
It's appeared on social media.
This guy said these things.
Now we need to start from there and then see where we go, not decide where we want to be and then try and build our way up to it by, you know, by pointing out other things throughout history.
bethany mandel
Right.
Yeah, I mean, I am curious to see sort of how it plays out, but I imagine that they're going to try to paint him.
There was another sort of recent incident where, you know, it came out like, oh, this guy follows Ben Shapiro and he was radicalized by Ben Shapiro.
Like, yeah, yeah, the nerdy Orthodox Jew from L.A., that was definitely who radicalized that shooter.
But I mean, they're going to ride this into the sunset, just like they have January 6th.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think they blame radicalization on the introduction of any information that they don't agree with, right?
tim pool
So it's not that Ben Shapiro himself is like waving some crazy symbols and acting erratic, it's that he opens the door to a line of thought and a line of questioning that ultimately they would argue is always corrupt and always violent, which I don't think is ultimately Something is happening in this country with the rise of parallel economy, alternate payment processor system, censorship resistance, resistant, we use them, rumble, what you've got growing in Florida with not just the technology infrastructure but with, you know, Ron DeSantis, his worldview, what Florida's been doing in general in terms of governing.
Something is amassing in this country that's starting to stop the insanity, stop the cult.
Now I'm not saying it's a guarantee, you know, it's gonna, it's gonna, you know, it's gonna, wokeness is gonna be crushed or anything like that.
But we're seeing a steady path, a light at the end of the tunnel where we are going to be reaching a good place.
For something like this to happen completely undermines the opportunity for success.
So it does make you wonder, why would anyone on the right staring down the barrel of a midterm election be like, I know, here's what's going to help?
No, absolutely not.
This is the opposite of doing anything good for anyone.
unidentified
Yeah.
bethany mandel
I mean, he's probably just a nut job, honestly.
tim pool
Yeah, and then what do you do?
What do you do when you have all these nutjobs?
What are you supposed to do?
Should they have, like, been tracking his social media or something?
ian crossland
No.
No.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and also, who's to say they weren't?
tim pool
And then let it happen?
hannah claire brimelow
We don't know anything about this guy yet.
bethany mandel
Every time there's a mass shooter, there's never the, like, oh, I had no idea he was sitting there.
Everyone's like, yeah, no, he was a nutjob and we were kind of waiting on this.
It's never a secret.
It's never a surprise.
ian crossland
Yeah, a lot of times our high school classmates are like, yeah, that was the guy that beat puppies.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah and I think what happens now is that the the powers that be that want him to be representational of every MAGA supporter out there are gonna work really hard to say like he is just like that guy down the street from you who has a Trump 2024 sign you know they're gonna work really hard to make this We don't know anything about that.
We don't know anything about him because he disappeared, but there was a point where people were saying like, hey, I think he is a registered Democrat, and then suddenly he disappeared.
I don't know if that's true.
There's nothing I can do to fact check it.
My point is just that ultimately we know that there are people who, whether it be for mental reasons or whatever else, pick extremist behavior, but that's not actually, number one, helpful to the political party that they're going to link him to, and it's not actually representational to most voters on either side.
ian crossland
Yeah, guilt by association isn't real.
tim pool
Think about Fast and Furious.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I will not.
tim pool
Not the movies.
The operation by Obama where he gave guns to the cartels.
lydia smith
I don't think about that either.
tim pool
What would they have been willing to do to cover up something like that?
bethany mandel
Yeah.
tim pool
The question is, don't look at Fast and the Furious and say, wow, look what they did.
Look at what they did and think, what could they be doing now that we don't know about?
bethany mandel
Yeah.
So I have to be like a little bit careful because this is like,
but there's I know someone who was involved in that as a gun runner.
There was a setup, there was some messed up stuff that happened on the part of the feds, and they did try to cover it up.
tim pool
In Vegas or what?
bethany mandel
Uh, he was in, in the southeast part of the, or southwest part of the country.
Fast and the Furious.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Fast and the Furious.
bethany mandel
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Right, right, right, right.
bethany mandel
And he was arrested as a gun runner in that, and I know him very well.
And it was, he was set up, and then they tried to put him in prison for a very long time.
Wow.
And he spent a lot of money for his freedom with, for a very, very, very good lawyer who was like, I'm gonna bring this to trial because he has nothing to lose and y'all might not want this all to be out there.
Yeah.
And his lawyer got him an amazing deal and he got out like a year later because the lawyer basically put him put the feds on the spot and were like he was 17 and an orphan like do you want to go into like how you entrapped him and then how you like the whole thing and Yeah.
That was, for me, someone who was very back the blue.
I never really knew that side of the FBI before.
To hear his story, someone who I trusted implicitly, and see how it all went down up close was like, oh, they bad.
tim pool
Yeah.
bethany mandel
Those are not good people.
Yep.
And here we are.
tim pool
Yeah, well, but I don't know.
I'm only bringing this up because I'm not I'm not trying to insinuate anything about this particular instant instance.
But there there probably are tons of stories like I mentioned this because of the Vegas thing.
People have questions.
Nobody knows who this guy was or what happened.
It's all just vanishes one day.
Yeah.
And a lot of people are like, shouldn't we have like learned way more information about this like with every other incident?
Or maybe what was happening was there's something going on behind the scenes that went south.
bethany mandel
Yeah.
tim pool
And they're not going to tell you.
You know, the funny thing is, I really don't want to get into the issue of 9-11 because it's just people can lose it.
But I always tell people, like, do you believe the official story?
You think the government just came out and told you exactly how our security was undermined?
I mean, that's absurd.
There's confidential and top-secret information.
So of course the official story is omitting information, lacking information, and probably obfuscating information.
So it's crazy to me when, for one, there's obviously a lot of the conspiracy theorists who believe... I think they take leaps of faith to believe things they want to believe.
But then also the people come out and say like, I will blindly believe whatever the government says.
And then I'm like, dude, even that would require you to say the government was not honest about what happened.
Because if you like, let's say it again.
The United States government did not come out on 9-11 and say, here's a roadmap to how our security was undermined, and please, you know, can you read that?
No, they were like, okay, we better not let people know that happened right there, because that's how they got us.
So they're not gonna release all the information.
But, you know, that being said, it's hard to know when secrets are kept from the American people, and then we're supposed to make decisions on who we vote for without complete information.
And then you have the media organizations that intentionally obfuscate and manipulate Dark days indeed, I'll put it that way.
ian crossland
It seems like there's a defense of the liberal economic order right now by American military and sub-military like FBI and CIA that they don't want it to get broken up.
They want to make sure that we, the United States, we have like a police, not a police state, but like control of the earth.
Like we have military bases all over.
So there's no World War III breaks out.
I understand that they don't want World War III to break out, but like, I don't think that the real threat is internal.
It doesn't seem like that.
I think most people want stability in the United States.
tim pool
Like the CCP may be a bigger threat?
ian crossland
Probably.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
I don't know if it matters what we think or feel about who the bigger threat is.
I think it's obvious China is a serious threat.
I mean, honestly, Russia is a threat.
They just, I think they overhype Russia when China is a much bigger threat.
But the fact is, we've got two distinct cultures in this country and they're headed for chaos.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I was going to say, maybe a lot of people want stability, but what they view as stable is not the same thing.
There's such a division in how people ascribe their values and what they would describe as their ideal stable life, right?
There are people who are Incompatible in a lot of ways in this country.
Obviously, I don't think that's a call for like extremist violence or anything like that.
But like you have to recognize that stability is almost impossible when you have people who need your life to be different and you see that as unstable.
tim pool
Yeah, just like real quick.
I do want to bring up this next story just as an aside, which we'll get into later on, maybe for the members only.
A video's going viral from the Boston Children's Hospital talking about giving hysterectomies to children.
ian crossland
Oh, it's freakish.
tim pool
To children.
So we'll get into all that, but you brought back the blue, so I have this tweet here from Brianna Joy Gray.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
She said, Marjorie Taylor Greene is right about the FBI.
Bad faith or not?
In today's radar, I argue that the left should take advantage of the right's new acknowledgment of systemic bias and push to abolish the FBI, an institution that has always protected elite power, not the people.
My response to this was fire emojis.
I completely agree.
bethany mandel
I was thinking yesterday, I was like, that appeals to me.
But I mean, I think that sort of I disagree a little bit about the fact that both sides want stability.
I don't think that the other side wants stability.
I think they want to remake the world.
But this is not that.
tim pool
This is an appreciation and understanding that the FBI, at least, is— Maybe Brianna Joy Gray and the left perspective on this is, we need to tear down the system to rebuild a new one.
Don't know, don't care.
If we look at the FBI and we're like, hey, there's corruption going on there.
We should defund that and dismantle it.
And they say, yeah, we also want to.
I'd be like, well, if we agree on that, we're fine moving forward.
We'll figure it out afterwards.
bethany mandel
Well, then what?
Here's the problem.
Then what comes next?
ian crossland
Yeah, right, like a new organization that's even less accountable that we don't even know about?
No, I don't think.
bethany mandel
And that tracks our every movement.
tim pool
You can't say, we should not do away with corrupt institutions because of fear of more corrupt institutions.
Like, we're actually taking action to get rid of the corrupt institutions.
ian crossland
Yeah, but you can't, like, take a wheel off the car mid-drive.
tim pool
Is that what the FBI is?
ian crossland
It's one of the wheels on the vehicle.
tim pool
Are they that important for the United States?
Have they been investigating Antifa?
Have they been holding people accountable?
Have they been going after Hunter Biden?
And I mean, well, we may see something with Hunter Biden, but it's been a really long time and only because of public scrutiny.
So I'm not convinced that... First, I'll say, I don't think the entirety of the FBI is corrupt.
I think there's different people in different field offices.
I've actually talked with people who, you know, there's like lower level people who... There's cadets.
They have similar politics to you.
The culture war is in every facet of the government as well.
But I just don't know if the FBI does enough to warrant any of this.
Well, no one knows.
ian crossland
I mean, it's a secretive operation.
That's part of the problem and the strength of it.
tim pool
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm not saying no one knows.
I'm saying we have repeatedly asked questions for years.
Why have they not done this, that, or otherwise?
Yet, they have time to send a dozen agents to a garage over a pole rope.
That is shockingly, shockingly insane.
ian crossland
You talking about the Jussie Smollett case?
tim pool
Bubba... Bubba Watson, right?
unidentified
Bubba Wallace.
tim pool
Was that his name? I don't know the NASCAR NASCAR driver said there was a noose in his garage
And so they sent a dozen agents and what do they find it was a garage pull rope. It was the door pull rope
It's in Wallace bubble. Yeah, it's insane and then what they go and and Merrick Garland signs off on
raiding the former president's home and And we're sitting here being like, let's contemplate whether they're an organization worth funding.
No, no, no, no, no.
There's no question.
The left has long talked about all of the malfeasance.
They talk about Martin Luther King and Malcolm X as really big examples.
And I'm like, sure, fine, whatever.
Yeah.
Defund them, dismantle them.
Or maybe, maybe we can start by reducing through a moderate defunding and reduction of the FBI force.
bethany mandel
I mean, I think the FBI, there's two problems.
One of them is, it's the problem of every government institution.
It's just bureaucratic bloat and stupid people get promoted and your expertise and your… it's not a meritocracy is basically what I'm saying.
I think that's a number one problem.
But I think that in the last five years, one of the things that has become extremely apparent is that the people who are in charge, like the grown-ups in charge, I always thought that there was grown-ups in charge.
And then, like, Comey.
He started talking and you're like, oh my god, you had a lot of power and you are a total nutjob.
But it's all of these people who were in the top rungs of power who are nutjobs.
George Conway is another one.
unidentified
Peter Kovach?
bethany mandel
Frickin' nutjob.
ian crossland
I was concerned with Adam Kinzinger.
I don't know him personally, but I've been seeing his tweets and I think he's isolated.
There seems to be like a bubble that some of these people are existing in right now, that they think it's really what life is about, is about red and blue Democrat-Republican thing.
But that's like an infinitesimally small part of reality.
This human thing is not that big a part of reality.
We need to really kind of get outside of our own butthole, if you know what I'm talking about.
And look out, bubble up, look outside, but that's what I said, bubble.
That's what I said, butthole.
Yeah.
Uh, we need to, we need to de-investigate ourselves for a moment and look around at the universe because things are flying around at a hundred million miles per hour.
It can slam into earth at any moment.
And we gotta be prepared for that kind of thing.
tim pool
And that is an important mentality for people to realize, like you can find purpose outside of all of this.
Most of these Democrats, this is their life, their religion, their purpose.
They have nothing else.
Maybe if they got interested in the stars, they might be like, yo, I don't care about this.
I want to look in a telescope.
Instead, their whole world, I'll put it this way.
Politics has become pop culture.
That's the danger.
bethany mandel
And public health has become part of their identity, too.
I mean, COVID gave them a religion, like Mazel Tov.
I'm so happy for you.
You finally found faith.
And it's, you know, in the form of virus mitigation.
lydia smith
Yep.
ian crossland
Although the CDC relaxed guidelines.
I don't know if that's come up yet.
We talked about it before the show.
bethany mandel
It hasn't.
ian crossland
Officially, that was according to NPR.
They reported on that today.
Maybe we can go into that later a little bit.
lydia smith
I just can't help thinking with the FBI, there's so much clear and evident malice.
You can look at Peter Strzok.
I just cherish the way he smirked.
It was insane.
unidentified
He looked ideologically possessed.
tim pool
And Blasey Ford did the same thing.
They do this thing where they look in the camera and they look down and go, what the?
lydia smith
What is that?
tim pool
Are you imagining you're the Wicked Witch of the West or something?
ian crossland
A problem is the camera's above what we got on the show, so it's looking down at them, so you see their eyes looking up.
tim pool
We don't look to the camera, turn our heads down, look up, and then go... Speak for yourself, Tim.
unidentified
We don't do that!
ian crossland
Yeah, well, we're not hiding stuff.
tim pool
I mean, why are they doing that?
ian crossland
Not more than a normal person would hide some, you know, menial personal or private things on TV.
But like, I think these people have to have secrets.
That's their job is like secrecy.
Half these people in the government, the CIA, secrecy organization.
tim pool
Oh, it's all secrets.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So that's the remarkable thing.
It's like anytime anyone from the government comes out and says words like, why would you believe them?
They have a whole system of keeping information a secret from you.
They're not going to tell you.
I mean, the people who go to the White House press conference, I'm just, do you really think any White House press secretary at any point ever is gonna tell you the truth?
I'm sorry if you believe that, I got a bridge to sell you.
ian crossland
You think the first one did?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Who was the first one?
No.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, the thing is, the government trades in strategically releasing information, so why would that be true in foreign policy and not true in our Like, why would we be like, oh, yes, American people, I'm taking myself, I'm going to be on national TV and I'm going to tell you the truth, but don't tell anyone else because that'll reveal our big plan.
Like, we can't reasonably expect our government to be honest with us.
And also be openly telling everyone, all of our adversaries, what's truly going on with us.
That seems like a terrible plan.
bethany mandel
I mean, I judge all of the press secretaries by their ability to lie.
lydia smith
Yes.
That's their job.
bethany mandel
And to spin.
lydia smith
100%.
bethany mandel
And some of them are good, and some of them are not good.
hannah claire brimelow
Have you had a favorite?
bethany mandel
Oh, gosh.
So Sarah Huckabee Sanders was fantastic.
The key is, and I think it's the bunch of kids, nothing Yeah, she was unflappable.
She was like, come at me.
Someone peed on my foot today.
tim pool
Kayleigh McEnany was fantastic with the book, being like, here's the story right here.
Ah, yes, you're wrong.
That was fantastic.
But Jen Psaki wasn't bad.
You know, people, you might not like her, but her ability to spin and spin quickly and create sound bites, she know how to do it.
This current lady?
unidentified
Terrible.
tim pool
Oh man, she's bad at this.
bethany mandel
And you know why she's terrible?
Because they did a checklist.
They're like, well, she checks the LBGTQ and she checks the woman and she checks, but they didn't actually like have a check mark for... Charisma?
Merit.
hannah claire brimelow
Or temperament.
bethany mandel
Or talent.
Or anything.
She's just completely inactive.
unidentified
I feel bad.
bethany mandel
I know, I mean, she's been over her head and she was chosen because she hit all those little boxes.
hannah claire brimelow
And she has been, from what I know about her career, I mean, she's been fairly insulated.
She's been with the Democratic movement for so long.
I think people who are Farther on the outside of the shell, have to learn how to spar a little bit more.
And I think, to her credit, that's where Jen Psaki's background came from, whereas with Corinne Jean-Pierre, like, no.
She has been with the movement, she knows the soundbites, and when challenged, she really struggles.
bethany mandel
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I mean, I think that's actually a skill of, like, Pete Buttigieg, because he, like, was in middle America and had to actually talk to people with whom he disagreed.
It makes me sharper.
I mean, that's how I felt.
I went to Rutgers University with, like, every lib on planet Earth except James O'Keefe.
tim pool
You know what really works, though, is believing what you're saying.
unidentified
Because then you don't need a book.
ian crossland
I mean, it's nice to have notes, but you don't need to look at them if you know, if you just glance down and then talk about what you know, you know, I mean, I'm here with the formula stuff.
bethany mandel
She genuinely had no answer.
She didn't know that there was a formula crisis.
She didn't know the plan.
Like she did not.
There was no, there was nothing not to believe.
She just didn't know it.
ian crossland
For the record, Andrew Johnson was the first president to grant a formal interview to a reporter.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
That was 1869-ish.
Yeah, so before that, I guess they didn't even talk to the media for the first 60, 70 years of their life.
tim pool
It's kind of crazy if you think about it.
Like, you have no idea what they're doing.
bethany mandel
I mean, when was the last time Biden spoke to anyone?
He rarely talks to anyone.
tim pool
He yells, come on, man, quite a bit, you know, with a helicopter.
hannah claire brimelow
And I would argue, too, the first 50, 60 years, media was really different than what it is today.
ian crossland
Yeah, radio and TV have changed a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, you have to get a journalist to a president to then put a paper out that would then, like, by the time it reached anyone, be like three weeks old.
ian crossland
And I mean, radio and TV is the reason why Hitler was able to mass the population so fast.
And it's super dangerous tech.
I understand why there's censorship and why the CIA is involved with, you know, the PRISM thing and they want to Oversee and make sure, but like, we should talk more about the power of TV and video, I think.
Maybe not today, but just in life.
tim pool
TV was more powerful than social media.
With TV, you had five channels starting with three channels and five.
So all of the messaging was distilled through the trusted names in news or whatever.
Then the internet happened and you can reach people faster, but now you've got too many channels and they're all just... All these poles busted on the dam and trying to plug them.
ian crossland
Like, oh, we have conventional fingers.
We don't know how to plug all these at once.
hannah claire brimelow
Let's make an algorithm.
The TikTok algorithm, people can get, you know, the more they use it, the more it knows them.
And so it feeds them to like Edgar Allen Poe TikTok.
Like that person is not getting the same content that you would get or you would get.
tim pool
That's true for all the platforms.
hannah claire brimelow
True.
tim pool
Yeah.
bethany mandel
But TikTok is especially talented at it.
There was the Wall Street Journal story about young teenagers, 13-14 years old, and they lingered on one pornographic video and then they were just inundated with more and more pornographic content.
tim pool
That sounds like they're not better at it.
bethany mandel
No, they're very good at it because they got the kids hooked on the app.
And it was because if you lingered 0.3 seconds longer.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like every second on TikTok is more valuable to them, partially because the media is so short, which keeps you scrolling faster, whereas like YouTube, you may have to watch, you know, you watch one video, it might feed you another.
You watch 10 videos, it'll feed you a lot more.
bethany mandel
Right, but I mean, these videos are over an hour, like you really have to invest some time, but you can have like total ADD on TikTok.
ian crossland
On YouTube, I've noticed if I go to a video and I watch it for like half the length of the video or more, that it starts to hit
me with more videos of that.
So like if I go to one, I'm like, no, no, no, I don't want, no, no, no, I don't want
this in my life.
You just X out really fast.
So then the algorithm knows you don't want it.
bethany mandel
I try to trick the Instagram algorithm because it started, I had a like family friend who
like, she had like this tragic thing with a dying kid or whatever.
And then the Instagram algorithm decided I only wanted to see stories about dying children.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it does that to me too.
bethany mandel
And I was like, I'm gonna click on every single thing about Meghan Markle.
unidentified
Let's trick the algorithm.
bethany mandel
No, I mean, it's better than dying children and I hate Meghan Markle, so I'm all in.
ian crossland
I'm saturated with cats and it creates a compounding effect where I watch more cat videos because they're giving me more to look at and then I get even more and now it's all cats when I go through my stories.
hannah claire brimelow
Instagram decided I was like a young Mormon bride because I was really interested in national parks.
So I click on a lot of like photography in Zion National Parks and then it was like but you know who takes pictures in Zion National Parks?
Mormons!
And then it fed me a lot of Mormon Church stuff, and I really was like, I don't know what's happening.
So I gave my brother my phone, and he looks for other things, and he sends me the videos.
lydia smith
De-Mormonized it?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
It still occasionally is like, but are you sure?
bethany mandel
I mean, and are you sure?
ian crossland
Are you questioning?
hannah claire brimelow
I really want to see Zion National Park, and I don't know if I'm willing to commit to Mormon Church.
ian crossland
Did you linger on the Mormon videos, and then they were like, she's definitely a Mormon?
hannah claire brimelow
I think it was like, here are photographers active in this area and then because Utah is an LDS you know stronghold it's like well here are people who are hiring photographers and then it was like well here are the mommy bloggers and i was like oh look at those kids and then it kept going and eventually i was like this is creepy i don't like it at all i know i love it i that's that's my jam i mean it's better than the dead kids that's for sure the algorithm you love or
bethany mandel
Well, no, that algorithm, because I get that algorithm too.
I get all the, like, moms of... It's funny because I get all of the, like, big family people on Instagram because I follow a couple of them and then it sort of compounds.
And then they start getting crazier.
hannah claire brimelow
Crazier and crazier.
And it is hard not to be like, what are you doing?
It's like your own customized version of reality TV.
bethany mandel
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, it's like, I think I know what plot lines you're going to be into and I will serve you some.
ian crossland
It's kind of the danger of hate watching too, because sometimes I'll watch stuff because I find it so, like, revolting.
I gotta know.
bethany mandel
I know.
So this is the libs of TikTok.
She says, like, I'm friendly with her.
She said, like, I didn't even, like, I just started watching them and then TikTok just feeds me more and more.
I don't go looking for them.
And now people send them to her because she's had such a big account.
But she like, she built this entire platform on just posting what the algorithm showed her, which was craziness.
ian crossland
Interesting.
I think I get a lot of Marvel stuff.
Nice.
tim pool
Yeah, I get like, like skateboarding, rollerblading, scooting, biking, all of that.
I guess it's like the only thing I really watch.
And then a whole bunch of Marvel stuff.
You do need more cats, yes.
Like the new movies that are coming out.
And then there's like a lot of music stuff.
But it's usually just like a guy... I don't scoot, but they sent me a video of a guy doing a triple flare on a scooter and I just couldn't stop watching it.
It was like the craziest thing I've ever seen.
bethany mandel
I didn't even know that was a verb.
Scoot.
unidentified
Scoot.
tim pool
Yeah, he's scooting.
A triple flare.
You know what that is?
No.
It's like... So a flare is like a backflip 180.
So a triple is like three backflips in a 180.
I'm just sitting there on the toilet and I'm like...
hannah claire brimelow
When I started doing pop culture crisis I would occasionally look up like people who were involved in the stories on my phone and so then for a while it was sending me lots of like e-news and then it would send you like people who like do their own content about following various celebrities and I have never been so informed in my life.
tim pool
You know what the worst thing about Instagram now is?
When you're scrolling through your feed, you get accounts you don't follow.
bethany mandel
Yes.
tim pool
I am so annoyed.
Every time I see it, I'm like, get rid of it, get rid of it.
It's like I'm watching videos of a dude doing a 360 flip crook down a rail, and I'm like, whoa.
I'm watching a video of a guy doing a backside flip going 30 miles an hour, and I'm like, whoa.
And then it shows me a woman jump roping, and I'm like, I don't care about this.
Remove.
Why did you put that in my feed?
bethany mandel
Yeah, but I will say this for Instagram.
The personal shopper is on point.
hannah claire brimelow
It's so good!
bethany mandel
On point.
I actually, I call it my personal shopper.
It's not even advertising.
tim pool
I buy everything.
bethany mandel
I do too.
They once advertised to me, so my older son had food allergies when he was younger.
I once got a targeted ad for yarmulkes, because we're Orthodox Jewish.
Kid yarmulkes for kids who are not really talking yet with allergy information listed on the yarmulke.
I was like, you hit so many data points there that were Orthodox Jews with a young son with food allergies who is too young to verbalize them yet.
hannah claire brimelow
It lined it up and it was like, we know what you'll buy.
I won't buy anything off the Instagram.
It serves me stuff I like, but sometimes I feel like I can't help it.
bethany mandel
I want to feed it because it's my personal shopper.
tim pool
The singularity has occurred.
The AI is in control.
ian crossland
That excites me.
bethany mandel
I mean the Instagram one.
Only the Instagram.
You're a puppet, Ian.
You're being controlled by the machine.
ian crossland
Because I think my mind is strong enough.
I think that I'm able to tend information without believing it or disbelieving it enough that I could exist within the algorithm and function wrong peacefully.
tim pool
Excuse me, wrong.
bethany mandel
Okay.
tim pool
Excuse me, wrong.
You see, here's what's happening.
When you get fed information on social media, it is shaping your worldview, and you don't have control over that.
ian crossland
I have noticed.
Man, a lot of people I follow on Twitter are people that have been on the show, and it's a lot of politics.
I do not like it, man.
And I like those people.
I want to know what they're up to in life, but I can't stand reading about the left, and the right, and the color red.
Follow them on Insta instead.
bethany mandel
Yeah, I'm a completely different person on Instagram.
I am delightful on Instagram, and I'm awful on Twitter.
Interesting.
tim pool
But Twitter is, for most people, it's not algorithmic.
It's reverse chronological.
You can choose to do the algorithmic or otherwise.
So for me, I follow news.
I mean, Twitter is the news platform.
There's like not much else on there.
Celebrities don't really get traction.
They're there, they have big following, but like... I never see those tweets.
Yeah, they go on Instagram for that stuff.
But on Instagram, they're feeding you stuff in your feed and shaping your worldview.
Just just outright.
Facebook as well.
Facebook is where it's substantially worse.
bethany mandel
So I don't really use Facebook, so I don't know.
But Instagram, nothing is shaping my worldview because it's just pictures of like homeschool classrooms, which is great.
And I love them.
And I've taken a lot of information.
tim pool
But you're, you know, I think for younger people, they're being inundated with very specific things.
bethany mandel
But is it like do people get their news from Instagram?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah I think they do and I think for especially some young people they'll follow like uh meme accounts on Instagram that'll be not political memes like silly like uh what it's like when you're 20 right and like then those accounts start to promote you know maybe they really believe them but maybe you know just part of the cultural narrative they know certain things will get more likes and so they start incorporating certain content that's more pro certain issues especially I saw this a lot after um Robbie Wade was um overturned and I had People jump on that bandwagon like there was no tomorrow.
People who are not particularly political and maybe this is an important issue to them and they just don't vocalize it.
I grant that some people are like that, but a lot of accounts picked up on the fact that it was correct to, you know, lifestyle kind of content.
bethany mandel
I think that that would have happened even without social media though.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that your... I think social media reinforces it because people who don't seek out political information are served it anyways through this backdoor channel of like, look at these cute jeans I got!
Also my row pin!
bethany mandel
Also... There was interesting sort of Stuff that was leaked from marketing firms after Roe, I mean Dobbs, that a lot of brands were told like, don't touch it, that they went all in on Black Lives Matter.
And so I know people who are like pretty big influencers on Instagram, and they got questions like, why didn't you post a black box?
Where was your black box during Black Lives Matter?
And I feel like the corporate pressure was not the same with Dobbs.
hannah claire brimelow
I think because Dobbs is more complicated and they knew it from the beginning whereas with the black box thing it was like a you must submit I mean remember the culture that's run in some ways the leak of the Roe decision that came out like ahead of time I think was trying to build the same tension that we had during the summer of rioting after George Floyd's death.
It sets the circumstances very differently.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
I want to jump to this next story.
We got this from timcast.com.
Twitter announces plan to tackle misleading narratives ahead of midterms, vows to throttle tweets deemed incorrect.
unidentified
Exciting!
tim pool
Like they did not do with all the Democrats who were screaming that the election was stolen in 2016.
They're now basically telling us They are going to decide what is true.
The last election they did this, what did they do?
They suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop information.
They suppressed anything that was basically bad for Democrats, and now they intend to do it again.
So I don't know if there's any point in reading what they claim is going to be done, their civic integrity project.
hannah claire brimelow
I know, this seems like a really good news site.
I think you maybe should read it.
tim pool
No, no, no, but the point is, like, who cares about what Twitter has to say about why they're going to be censoring and controlling the flow of information?
ian crossland
I'd like to hear a little bit about it.
What's the official statement here?
tim pool
The Civic Integrity Policy covers the most common types of harmful misleading information about elections and civic events, such as claims about how to participate in civic process, like how to vote, misleading content intended to intimidate or dissuade people from participating in the election, and misleading claims intended to undermine public confidence in an election.
Harmful.
ian crossland
The thing about all that is you're allowed to do all that stuff.
That's free speech.
As long as you're not inciting violence.
I mean, you're allowed to tell people not to vote.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yes, but you're I don't think you're allowed to defraud people by like telling them the wrong voting day
bethany mandel
Right things like that. Okay, so I follow a great account He's a great guy.
His name is Political Math.
It's Polymath on Twitter.
Yeah, I love him.
And so he tweeted, he retweeted the CDC's guidance about the kids vaccine between six months and five years old, saying like, absolutely get, you know, these young children vaccinated.
And Polymath retweeted it and said, fire these people.
This is unspeakable stupidity on the part of the CDC.
That agency should be burned to the ground.
Which is opinion.
First of all, it's opinion.
And second of all, it is- Well, it's a call to violence.
tim pool
That's their interpretation of it.
bethany mandel
No, they call it misleading.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Interesting.
bethany mandel
They don't call it a call to violence.
But if you look at the numbers of people who have had their young children vaccinated for COVID between six months and five years of age, I wrote about this for Deseret like two weeks ago, the numbers are like 3% right now.
So, when I see a misleading tag on Polymath's opinion about the CDC's statement, it makes me be like, oh there is something up there.
Like, it backfires on me.
tim pool
It backfires, right.
bethany mandel
Yeah, because I see that and I think like, why are they gatekeeping like that?
tim pool
But I think a lot of this is just failed, it's, what's the right word, what's the politically correct word of saying your brain doesn't work?
The people at Twitter are really dumb, and there are people at Twitter that are really evil, and then you have the government trying to get Twitter to censor people, which we've heard over and over and over again now.
So what happens is they're like, hey, let's implement a policy.
What happens?
There have been several instances where people's tweets have been flagged, and the fact check is totally unrelated.
And it's like this really weird thing, like, huh?
There have been several instances where guidance has changed, and they've been like, hey, the CDC is like, we're revising our guidance, and then Twitter flags it as fake news.
Here's what the CDC says, and then links to like an article from the year before.
There was a famous incident on Facebook, where the, I think it was the CDC's own website was labeled fake news.
Because these machines don't work.
They don't know context.
They don't have up-to-date information.
And so if someone's like, I got breaking news, the CDC says X, they'll delete you and say that was fake news and you're banned because our official fact checkers have not yet.
So when they talk about getting involved in the election, at what point do we as a society do something about the interference and manipulation of our elections?
The problem is there's no mechanism for solving this, and there's no political process for solving it.
It's just there.
Twitter is this corrupt, broken, evil machine.
And I don't care if the intention put into it was good, what came out was evil.
And what do you do?
Antitrust?
The people who run this platform are all out of their minds.
Elon doesn't even want it anymore, and he said he hopes that he doesn't have to buy it.
There's no saving these broken social media platforms.
It's like, You build a machine that runs wild and starts destroying you, and you don't know what to do to stop it.
ian crossland
Well, you gotta free the schematics so that people—someone will figure out how to stop it.
That's why I advocate for freeing the software code.
You can at least make it better and more interoperable.
tim pool
I think that— People aren't gonna be able to take Twitter's code and then change Twitter.
They're gonna be able to replicate it and make more problematic versions of the same garbage.
ian crossland
Or better, and then the people at Twitter will be like, ooh, we could do that.
Let's change our code.
tim pool
Better does not mean— Better could mean better for society.
ian crossland
I know.
tim pool
Better could mean generates more revenue, which means worse because now it's more algorithmic manipulation, making people click and get, you know, brainwashed.
ian crossland
It depends on who you ask.
Better could mean more manipulation of the masses to get them to vote for who I want them to vote for.
But I think better, uh, you know, I kind of think, uh, what do you, allotropically, I think that's not the right word, but I think like, you know, the betterment of the whole of, uh, the community, like, I don't want less constriction on who's controlling it, but I guess, I don't know, I'm not in the military.
The military commander would tell you that you want to do the opposite with it, probably.
That you want to control it.
bethany mandel
That's the only reason you're not in the military.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't want to control people, but I mean, that's the military's job.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think it's nice to believe that people would want to rally around common good and the betterment of other people.
That's honorable and that's moral in a lot of ways.
Why would Twitter, and I don't know a ton about freeing the code for sure, but like, why would freeing the code motivate people who are already... It wouldn't.
ian crossland
Well, ask the question.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, so, Twitter has a history of wanting to manipulate people and control the worldview.
Why would freeing the code suddenly change their mind?
Why would they suddenly, if someone else made something that was similar but more moral, why would they be like, that's a good idea, we should do that too?
They could have done that already.
They chose not to.
tim pool
The issue is, Twitter is not driven by morality.
Moral platforms exist, and they don't have traction.
What works is addiction machines.
Instagram knows this.
Facebook knows this.
Twitter knows this.
YouTube knows this.
TikTok knows this.
They know that they can give you a dopamine hit by making you feel good, and they have this built into their machines.
There are tech companies.
that offer a service to generate addiction. They'll say, are you building an app? Come to us
and we will build an addiction routine into your app for you to make your slot machines and stuff.
ian crossland
They actually figure out when you pull it down, how long do you want, how addictive, you know,
how long do you want to wait until it refreshes? How many times do you need to win? How many dings
are you going to get? Right. But what would happen is if, if they freed the code that guy,
number two would build, set up his own identical addiction machine, identical to Twitter and equally
But on his thing, he gets to make his own terms of service.
He'll say, on mine, you can talk about the CDC, say whatever you want.
All these people on Twitter will try this one.
And then they'll still- No, they won't!
hannah claire brimelow
Why would they move?
ian crossland
Because they're allowed to talk about the CDC- But it's not happening, okay?
Well, they haven't freed the code yet, that's what I'm saying.
No, this is my- Let me at least state my claim here so you can argue it.
You say your claim all the time, and the issue- Hannah Clare asked me the question, I want to answer it.
So, then you- You make it so you can still see the people on Twitter from the new site, so you're not actually leaving.
You're just expanding the process and you're creating a marketplace of the terms of service, essentially, instead of a marketplace of who owns the code.
tim pool
How does that not already exist?
With Truth Social, with Parler, with Getter, with Gab, with Mines?
ian crossland
They're not interoperable.
They don't interoperate with each other yet.
tim pool
And why would they?
ian crossland
Well, bigger network effect.
tim pool
That has nothing to do with bringing the code.
ian crossland
You know, a more diverse network effect.
tim pool
The issue is you cannot make a morally better system.
A system that improves like Twitter or Facebook is more addictive and manipulative and power
hungry.
So there's no solution.
Maybe antitrust, but Twitter is not a monopoly technically.
So there are other platforms.
ian crossland
But it is de facto.
It for sure is.
tim pool
Exactly.
And so there's literally, there is no mechanism we have today other than like, all of the people of this country agree it's bad, so we pass a law saying ban Twitter.
bethany mandel
So here's my question for Ian.
tim pool
Prohibition.
bethany mandel
So, freeing the code.
So would this basically provide a window?
Because here's what I'm curious about as a Twitter user.
What happened with Alex Berenson?
Like, can someone explain that to me?
tim pool
Yeah, he wanted to be on Twitter.
bethany mandel
No, I mean like, he was banned and now he's back.
tim pool
He filed a lawsuit because he wanted to be back on Twitter.
He didn't want to go on any other platform.
He wanted to be on Twitter.
bethany mandel
So it was the lawsuit that got him back on?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
He had his lawyer on last week.
tim pool
He settled with Twitter.
They settled and he got his account back.
bethany mandel
Interesting.
So would freeing the code basically do what Alex did and open the door?
No.
Okay.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Well, you could.
So Alex, if he got banned off Twitter, he could go on the new version and still see all the people on Twitter from his new version, and he wouldn't be banned off the new version.
tim pool
Why would their database be granted to you?
Why would you get access to their database?
ian crossland
Because you have the API.
You'd have access.
That would be the law.
That would be what you would have to do.
tim pool
I'll tell you this right now.
The reason why I don't like talking about this is that it literally makes no sense.
ian crossland
I don't think so.
Because the other option is breaking up the company, like an antitrust, and that doesn't work.
Because they still have the code, they can start a new one.
bethany mandel
What I want to know is, who is the person who decided To ban Alex Berenson.
What was the decision-making process there?
tim pool
It is likely the government intervened.
We don't know for sure.
bethany mandel
So that's what I want to know, though.
We don't know for sure, and I want to know.
tim pool
And we'd love it if Alex Berenson could tell everybody.
And that's why people are really mad at him.
Because the story goes and you know, I don't want to put words in his mouth or the mouth of his followers
But what people are saying on Twitter in response to him is that he promised when he got to discovery
He would expose what was going on instead. He settled with Twitter got his account back and then said sorry. Oh, that's
yucky So people are like, you know, he said, in the future, there will be more to talk about in terms of government involvement and censorship and things like that.
We heard from Naomi Wolf, she said that the CDC was going after specifically- She was kicked off, right?
bethany mandel
She's not- Yeah.
Oh no.
tim pool
And so she was saying that it's... We've seen this before.
Judicial Watch uncovered documents, I believe it was Judicial Watch, that Democrats were going to these big tech companies saying, ban these people.
So it's very... At this point, I would say we're at probable cause or beyond.
We have actual instances of evidence where the government is using third parties to violate people's First Amendment rights, but they're doing it circuitously.
bethany mandel
So this was the lawsuit that was just filed by a whole bunch of the healthcare people.
I don't know a lot about it, but it was the, I think it was Jay out in San Francisco?
Stanford.
Stanford.
Dr. Jay, and I can't say his last name.
B. I'm so glad when people don't know things that I don't know.
lydia smith
I'm so spaced out right now, I'm sorry.
bethany mandel
No, so there's a lawsuit that was just filed, and it's funny, I actually just did a radio hit about it, and the host did the worst thing in the world to me.
He's like, tell me about this!
lydia smith
I'm like, you have not to talk about it!
No, thank you!
bethany mandel
You have to do the... and so I kind of like I muddled through it as best I could, but there was a lawsuit filed by a whole bunch of healthcare people about the fact that the CDC and the government worked in conjunction with the social media companies to silence them.
tim pool
Which is a violation of the First Amendment.
The government does not have the right to go to companies and say, ban these people, don't let them speak.
Now the issue is, as always, it's cultural.
Cultural enforcement is more powerful than law enforcement, and cultural drives are more powerful than any platform could be.
You can spin up as many platforms as you want, from TruthSocial, to Gab, to Parler, to Getter, etc., etc., and people don't use them.
They don't unify on them, and why?
Why?
Why didn't Alex Berenson just go on TruthSocial and talk to those people?
Why didn't he just go on Gab and talk to those people?
He wanted to be on Twitter, so he sued to be on Twitter, he accepted being on Twitter, and then he didn't give the people what they asked for, because being on Twitter was more important to him, because people are on Twitter.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's the people, it's not the platform.
bethany mandel
Can I correct myself now that I've Googled it?
Because I'm a little bit of a jerk.
The person who filed the lawsuit is one of my friends, and I didn't know that.
Justin Hart.
He's a data guy.
He's a marketing digital strategist.
He filed a federal lawsuit against Facebook and Twitter and Joe Biden and the Surgeon General for violating his First Amendment rights to free speech.
He claims that the federal government colluded with social media companies to monitor, flag, suspend, and even delete social media posts that they claimed contained misinformation.
He's being represented by Liberty Justice Center.
I'm sorry, Justin.
I didn't know that you were doing that.
tim pool
I will say there have been many circumstances where big tech has been sued, and I am flabbergasted by the weak arguments made in such strong cases.
So, uh, there's just been a handful that, uh, I don't want to call anybody out specifically to impugn their honor, but there have been very, very strong cases where you're like, wow, look at the details of this case.
Clearly the government said, ban this person.
And then when they file a lawsuit, they don't mention anything about like, they don't go, they don't go after the government.
They don't include them as part of the lawsuit.
They don't even bring up the strong elements of the case as arguments.
They just say something like our contract was breached.
And I'm like, What am I missing here?
Because I've talked to dozens of lawyers about various issues, and, you know, to put it simply, I'm not a lawyer.
I can't speak for why these lawyers have made weak cases that ended up losing, or settling, or just not accomplishing what they wanted to accomplish.
But then when you listen to the lawyers on their shows, and you listen to high-profile people coming out and explaining what went down, they make it sound like they had a much better case than they presented, and I don't understand why they didn't go for it.
I just don't know.
Or maybe they just didn't know.
bethany mandel
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't understand why more news outlets haven't filed lawsuits against NewsGuard, for instance.
Breitbart has written articles being like, how dare you, NewsGuard?
And it's like, why don't you sue them?
bethany mandel
Why don't you sue them?
tim pool
Yes, exactly.
bethany mandel
You.
tim pool
I know.
bethany mandel
I'm asking you.
tim pool
And we said this last week.
bethany mandel
I don't watch every video.
tim pool
What?
I'm not saying you do.
I'm saying yes, exactly.
We probably are.
Okay.
I've been in a dispute with them already.
They've violated their own standards.
They've violated their own correction policy.
They've accused us of being irresponsible while holding themselves to a lower standard, stating that we get an 82 out of 100.
I say that's a statement of fact, that they've rated us on the basis that they are giving a factual analysis, but they are not.
They don't follow their own standards or policies.
And the reason I take this so seriously, people need to understand this, NewsGuard is used by advertising agencies and big tech to reduce visibility of your content.
So if you sit, so we're 82 out of 100.
I mean, we're one of the best, but they arbitrarily gave our website a ding, even though our standards are greater than theirs.
USA Today fabricated 23 stories, and they say that's fine.
I want to be careful here because there's some behind-the-scenes stuff related to serious malfeasance, but I have already issued a demand to them, and it is very, very likely we will be filing a suit.
And I will probably seek crowdfunding to help other organizations that have been defamed by them falsely and smeared in violation of their own standards.
And there's a few things people need to know about the elements of defamation.
Actual malice.
Did they know what they published was false?
When it comes to opinion statements, this is probably going to be their big defense.
That when we call you irresponsible, it's an opinion.
We'll get to that.
They've also issued several false statements and refused to correct them.
For instance, on the label for our website, They claim they mischaracterized a post.
That's false.
They injected words into it.
That's very different from a mischaracterization.
That's a false statement of their actions, defaming us.
They accused our content of being fiction.
And they did not, as per their own policy, which is their standard, admitted that they said we were wrong to say TimCast's content is fictional.
They did that.
Instead, just scrubbed it from the article in violation of their own policies.
So I'm particularly pissed off about this.
But I'll put it this way.
I've talked about Wikipedia standards, how they put their own byline in it.
I have no standing to go after Wikipedia.
You give me standing on any of these platforms and the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to go to the full extent possible legally.
And so there's been a long ongoing conversation with NewsGuard.
For instance, they first tried to claim we were fake news because we accurately reported the contents of the Hunter Biden laptop.
They tried getting us to editorialize our content.
And I said, here's two NewsGuard certified sources confirming the laptop emails Are real and verified.
And their response was, you know what, this is a little bit murky so we're gonna ignore this issue for now.
No.
You don't get to send me an email demanding we editorialize our content and then you omit from your own article that you had an error in your own assessments.
So, I wait.
When they published it, with six errors, right off the bat, I emailed them immediately and demanded retractions, corrections, and they have refused, every step of the way, to correct.
NewsGuard fabricated a quote from me that pissed me off.
You know, when it was accusing Tales from the Inverted World of being fiction, I said, that is a false statement.
And they changed it, but never explained, as per their own policy, what they did wrong.
They called it a mischaracterization.
I challenge that.
That is a false statement of fact on their own part.
I don't know how that'll work in court.
But I'm really, really pissed off about this.
Their rating system is arbitrary.
They have dinged us simply because we are an independent media organization.
USA Today fabricated 23 stories, and they give them a perfect score.
Media Matters gets like an 80 out of 100, and they're a conspiracy crackpot website.
So anyway, I'm frustrated because I'm pissed off at these institutions, but I believe we have serious standing and reason to prove That they have, there's actual malice in the insertion of words into a quote, knowing I did not say these things, and knowing I never implied them.
I'll give you exactly what it is, because they're trying to argue, when we put words in your quote, we're implying something.
We know you didn't say it.
I told them, if you require a website to fact-check every single quote from every politician, that is near impossible.
But if that's what you require, we will do fact-checks on all quotes moving forward.
They inserted the words that are false, changing what I was saying.
What I was saying was, you have demanded of us an impossible standard by adding those words.
They knew they were manipulating my quote.
That is malice.
And I want to see what they wrote when they were talking to their editors and lawyers as to why they decided to change the context of what I said.
They did not admit, as per their own correction policy, they did that.
So I think they outright defamed, libeled me, and so you have actual malice, and then reckless disregard for the truth in that they don't abide by their own standards.
So in their fact-checking process, they three times incorrectly labeled my job at three different organizations.
Called our content fake.
Fiction and fantasy.
I'm pissed off about that.
And they labeled Castcastle mundane, which is an opinion statement as per their own standard must be labeled.
If they're not going to abide by their own standards, I am going to sue the ever-living out of them.
And you know what?
If in the end the suit is dismissed, I long for the day NewsGuard files in their federal response why they are allowed to have zero standards for their own journalists, why they're allowed to fabricate quotes, why they're allowed to smear and defame a plethora of independent media organizations, and why they give perfect scores to outlets like CNN and The New York Times, who publish fake crap all the time.
Anyway, I'm pissed off about it, you can tell.
bethany mandel
A little bit.
I mean, I think a lot of it, your question, your initial question, how you got started in all of this was why isn't anyone suing?
And I think it's two things.
I think that people don't care enough.
You're very obviously not one of those people.
But I think the other problem is that, and I think we saw it a lot with COVID, people are much more content to go along because they don't want to start things.
And so even though they see things that are objectively ridiculous, like putting a cloth mask on a two-year-old baby, people are afraid to speak up because everyone is a coward.
And so I think that there is a lot of that.
tim pool
We had Tucker Maxx on, and he said power likes to be hidden.
I was asking them, because we bring this up quite a bit, where are all the powerful people to just come out, make powerful statements, buy commercials, put up billboards, and challenge the things we know they're privately complaining about?
Where are all the Hollywood celebrities that privately complain about this stuff but then don't stand up?
There's a really great comic where it shows a guy burning a woman at the stake and he says, psst, I just want to let you know I completely agree with everything you said.
That's modern mainstream society, unfortunately.
So I don't know, man.
I imagine sooner or later someone's going to get pissed off enough with me and they're going to try and do something.
We've already been swatted nine times.
bethany mandel
I'm a little nervous about that, actually, speaking of which.
tim pool
Well, we have armed security and things like that.
hannah claire brimelow
I would say one of the other things I think happens is that it's expensive to make your legal battles a priority.
And I think there are other independent media companies who are probably being treated... I mean, this is particularly horrendous treatment of our organization and of course I hesitate to comment on it because I've been with Tim Cass since the newsroom began.
I've been here for like a year so this is a lot of my work that's being scrutinized and I am very glad that you're willing to do something about it because I think We do hold ourselves and all of our journalists to an
extremely high standard.
That being said, I do know there are small organizations that would love to go to court,
but have to make the decision. Can we afford to do this?
Because it can be protracted, especially when you fight larger companies, they can drag
it out. I mean, anyone who sued Facebook for anything knows this.
tim pool
Yeah, I think, though, I imagine there's a community of people who are willing to
stand up and be involved.
James O'Keefe and Project Veritas, they've crowdfunded the finances required to file a lawsuit and they're going up against the New York Times.
And regardless, this is what people need to understand too.
Winning doesn't mean having a judge bang a gavel and say, for the plaintiff.
Winning means getting these organizations to admit they're liars and they publish fake garbage.
So all, you know, look, all I want is... I told NewsGuard right off the bat, how could you deem us irresponsible but have a lower standard than us?
And they just said, too bad, so sad, go cry about it.
Something to that effect.
We make our judgments based on the fact that we're looking for you to correct these articles without us coming to you for them.
And I said, we've corrected substantial articles without you coming to us and telling us to correct them.
You found five articles that you had questions on, only one of which had a factual inaccuracy, which we corrected right away, as per our corrections policy.
It's arbitrary.
There is no objective standard.
And right now, NewsGuard is falsely claiming that we publish misleading information.
Why?
Because we quoted the president.
We quoted Donald Trump in a news story and they said that that qualifies us for publishing misleading content.
So when USA Today or the New York Times quotes Donald Trump, are they not publishing misleading content?
The argument is Trump's quotes are misleading, right?
Why is it only when we do it?
Great.
I want them to answer to a judge why it is the New York Times can publish the exact same thing as us.
In terms of the reporting and the quotes, and that's responsible, but for us it's not.
It's because I think there may be a motive that is more attuned to causing harm, intentional injury and monetary damages to small businesses that might compete with the friends of these organizations and their investors.
Anybody who tries to create a new media company, anybody who tries to report news that falls outside of the official cathedral narrative, for some reason, has a really rough go of it.
So I'll tell you this.
In the newsroom, as Hannah Clare can attest to, I've been extremely adamant about abiding by every one of NewsGuard's policies.
Because I wanted to see that if we went above and beyond and did everything they deemed to be correct, would they honor that?
And they did not.
Because they are fake.
And now I want them to answer in court if they refuse.
So I told them that I've already forwarded my demands to their general counsel.
And you better believe we're going to file a suit.
And if in the end they respond and they say it's protected opinion, fine.
So be it.
They get to explain why their standards are lower than ours, and they get to rate us.
ian crossland
Dude, I'm looking at some of NewsGuard's investors right now.
One of them is Blue Haven Initiative, which is, according to PitchBook.com, is an impact investor.
And if you don't know what those are, you should look into it.
Impact investing is specifically social engineering.
It's from Investopedia.com.
Investors who use impact investing as a strategy consider a company's commitment to corporate social responsibility.
or the sense of duty to positively serve society.
So they have an agenda.
They're, they're one of their, this is one of their, I don't know if it's a top investor,
but maybe it's alphabetical, but they, they certainly, if they're impact investing, that
is specifically with an agenda to get the company to do something.
tim pool
The funny thing is two of the articles were us just quoting Trump.
We were like, Donald Trump says, you know, it's like, that was it.
Like, Donald Trump came out, he issued a response, and like, in response to Joe Biden, Trump says, quote.
And they said, you should have included context saying that Trump was wrong.
And I said, well, that would be a fact check article.
We're just reporting Trump issued a statement.
bethany mandel
Right.
tim pool
And he was like, well, that's irresponsible because Trump's comments are wrong.
And so, you know, this is what I was getting to with, we would have to fact check every single quote.
But they didn't tell us to fact check anything Biden said when Biden was wrong, only Trump.
Clearly, what they're actually trying to do is manipulate our editorial guidelines and standards.
And so I said, like, are you telling us that in order to be responsible, we have to adhere to your editorial policy?
And then they're like, no, no, no, no, we're not saying anything like that.
But yes.
bethany mandel
But you only have to fact check Donald Trump.
tim pool
Only Donald Trump.
ian crossland
And you better do it.
tim pool
They took no issue with any other quotes.
ian crossland
What Blue Haven Initiative wants, otherwise they'll pull their impact investment out of NewsGuard, which is to, you know, what Blue Haven Initiative wants is to Uh, generate a measurable beneficial social or environmental impact alongside financial return.
Oh, I wonder what their social impact they're trying to acquire.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Let's find out.
tim pool
The institutions are as corrupt as corrupt can be.
So people, people, again, you need to understand what their goal here is, is to go to advertising agencies and say, anybody we deem unworthy, do not sell with.
They're unsafe.
And it's happened to a lot of people.
So when NewsGuard goes after you, unless you're operating in the parallel economy, which is what a lot of people are trying to do, then you're going to be cut off from financial resources and that's their goal.
It is cancel culture on crack, on steroids.
So this is one of the most important fronts.
Now, I will say this, and I'm very proud to say this, MSNBC is officially fake news according to NewsGuard.
So look, I think NewsGuard does some good.
I just think they're biased and the machine is broken.
We are actually, you know, looking at how we can do a different kind of rating on journalistic ethics.
So I think there does need to be some kind of system that says, like, here are things this company has done.
The problem is, NewsGuard violates their own standards and publishes false information and then accuses other people of doing the same thing.
That being said, when an organization as broken and biased as this calls MSNBC violating severe journalistic standards, that's still good news.
Because when the machine itself is rejecting its own garbage, you can take this from NewsGuard and you can show all your friends and family when they claim MSNBC is real.
There you go.
At least something, right?
bethany mandel
Yeah, good for something.
This might be an interesting segue to the Barry Weiss thing with Chuck Schumer.
tim pool
Oh, let's pull up the Barry Weiss thing.
Yeah, let's talk all about how the corrupt media operates.
Daily Mail reports, Barry Weiss reveals New York Times editors wanted to check with Chuck Schumer before running an op-ed by Republican Tim Scott about his police reform bill after George Floyd's murder.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
It's amazing.
Tim Scott had a police reform bill, and the Democrats said no to it, and the New York Times wanted to check with Chuck Schumer.
That's what Barry Weiss says.
Former NYT opinion editor Barry Weiss told Senator Tim Scott on Wednesday about an internal discussion around his op-ed.
Scott's article was the subject of an internal debate, excuse me, Weiss said, and one of the senior editors questioned whether Republicans cared about minority rights.
The New York Times denied her account, saying, I'm gonna call BS in the New York Times.
Having worked for many of these, you know, organizations, this is the exact kind of stuff you see.
bethany mandel
Yep.
tim pool
Absolute corruption.
bethany mandel
Yep.
And also, Barry is actually trustworthy.
tim pool
Yeah, she's been doing pretty well with her sub stack.
I trust her way more.
I think she gets some things wrong, you know, but that's fine.
I think she's more trustworthy in her assessments than the New York Times.
bethany mandel
And she's also just telling a rendition of something she witnessed.
She's credible.
She's a credible witness.
She has no reason to make this up.
She's, you know, she's moved on from the New York Times.
She's very successful.
She's making more money than she did.
ian crossland
Well, the reason she could make it up is to get back at them for something.
tim pool
But why not say it sooner?
bethany mandel
I mean, I don't know.
I'm not Beryl Ice.
tim pool
But... I think more people should speak out about this stuff sooner rather than later.
And she mentioned it was in 2020, but she's been independent for a long time, so why not say something sooner?
bethany mandel
It's quite the hat trick.
ian crossland
I'm gonna have to have her on the show and ask her about it.
It's topical.
And I'm not saying that she's lying.
I'm just saying that, you know... I wonder, too, if there's... Sorry.
unidentified
Oh, no.
Go for it.
hannah claire brimelow
There's a lot of stuff she could probably say.
You can't, you know... If you publish your memoir the day you leave or, you know, in 2020, stuff is gonna get missed, like, in some ways.
I didn't read this article, so I can't say what the context, like, where she brought it up.
But... You had a conversation with Tim Scott?
Right, and I feel like there is a lot of stuff she could tell us about what happened there.
If she told it all at once, I think it would get kind of lost.
The impact would get lost.
bethany mandel
Yeah, I mean, from the reporting, she was having a conversation with Tim Scott and she said, I don't know if you know this, but this is what happened.
And so I think it was sort of a natural thing.
I mean, it makes me wonder what other stories she has under her hat.
And I think that there was a lot of—I mean, she was—I think she should have sued The
New York Times, personally, because it was, you know, workplace bullying and intimidation
and everything.
And I think that there was some stuff that happened that, in the moment, she felt like
she was crazy, because everyone was like, well, yes, of course we talked to Chuck Schumer
We just wanted to clear it.
unidentified
And she's kind of like, but why do we clear things with Chuck Schumer?
bethany mandel
And I think as you exit the cult, she's kind of like, that was really messed up, wasn't it?
And she's kind of having that realization and sort of unpacking her own experience because I think she was so abused in the moment.
tim pool
Did you ever see Bullworth?
That movie?
bethany mandel
No.
tim pool
You ever see it?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Kevin Cah?
unidentified
No, no, no.
ian crossland
What's his name?
Warren Beatty.
tim pool
I think it's the one where the politician, the senator is like super depressed and wants to kill himself so then he just starts telling the truth and like he doesn't care anymore but then he like decides he wants to live or whatever.
He like goes up on stage at a black church and they're like, why didn't you deliver this bill?
And he's like, Because we got your vote.
We don't care.
The moment you went and voted for us, we stopped caring about what you thought.
And then they were like, what?
And then people ended up really liking it.
I think that with, you know, people like Barry Weiss, she's probably sitting on a whole bunch of other stuff.
And I'd say like, come on, like, of course she is.
That she's not going to talk about because she's probably scared about what will happen if she challenges the machine.
bethany mandel
And I mean if you were in a cult you participated in the cult right so there are there's probably stuff that she's I could imagine not proud of or not ready to talk about her involvement in right and I you know I don't necessarily hold that against her it's a complicated thing to come out of something or to dissociate or something from an ideology you've been wrapped up in for a long time but some of her stories you know she's in the rooms for a reason she's involved with the organization so I mean she was a junior staffer I mean I think that I think it's it's hard to to be in that moment.
I mean she was she was in that newsroom and everyone around her was just they I mean they wanted to throttle her and I can't imagine what that feels like to go day after day somewhere where everyone hates you and one misstep like you didn't wash your hands after you left the bathroom can be become like a viral Twitter thread of your colleague who's sitting like our distance apart from each other.
I don't know if she's scared of them anymore.
I think that she's burned that bridge and she's not looking back.
tim pool
Didn't someone who works with her write that terrible article about Jordan Peterson and enforced monogamy?
So you wondered to what degree they were participating, and they decided, like, I don't want to do this.
I don't necessarily trust a lot of people, especially if it takes them two years to come out and be like, oh, by the way, this really crazy thing happened.
That's the kind of thing where I'd be like, I want to quit.
And in fact, when I worked for Fusion and they started doing this stuff, I tried quitting, but I was under contract, so instead I just stopped participating in their BS system.
And then immediately started telling everybody about it.
Just like screaming it.
And they really don't like it.
The fact that they would stealth edit articles and told me not to report on the New York Times doing stealth editing because they would get exposed for doing it as well.
And I was like, I'm gonna tell everybody.
Are you nuts?
You mean you're violating journalistic standards?
You think I'm gonna keep that a secret?
Bro, I'm a journalist.
Like, my goal is to inform people, not... not be, like, a tribalist for some corporation.
You think I care about Fusion's bottom line?
Like, I'm here to tell people what's going on in the world.
So when the president of that company said, we're here to side with the audience, in reference to how we handle bias and perspective, basically said, you know, millennial, or he said, young people are progressive, so that's who we're gonna side with.
We're gonna side with them.
When I said, does that mean if there's a fact-based news story that would offend our audience, we don't report it?
And he says, yeah, I think that's fair.
And I immediately told everybody, and then he denied it.
And I'm like, whatever, man.
Of course they're gonna deny it.
Like, these people aren't journalists.
They're businessmen who are like, how do we make money?
Say what the people want to hear.
There are a lot of people working for these organizations who know it.
James O'Keefe, the man is doing the Lord's work.
When he exposed CNN, and you can see these people saying, like, we used to do the news, now we don't.
Those people aren't speaking out.
Those people aren't coming out and explaining to everybody they're lying to their faces.
But behind the scenes, they're saying in private, it takes a special kind of person to know you are engaged in operating an evil machine that destroys this country, but be like, I need the paycheck.
bethany mandel
I don't know if that's it.
Speaking up for Barry, I'm not going to speak up for the rest of them, but she and I had this experience as someone who wrote for Barry for the New York Times.
She fought really hard to get sanity on the pages and to get different perspectives published in the Times that wouldn't have otherwise been there.
And I think that she swallowed a lot of stuff for a long time that made her deeply uncomfortable.
Because she felt like it was for the greater good and I think she got to a point where she realized that is a calculus that no longer But it's not equaling out anymore.
I'm not doing more good inside the machine than outside the machine.
I think that that's when she left.
But she fought very hard for a while to operate behind enemy lines.
And I think it just got to the point where she realized it just wasn't tangible anymore and she wasn't having enough of an impact to justify Not just, you know, being part of the machine, but also just the mental health strain that she was under and the assault that she was under by all of her colleagues.
But I respect her for saying as long as she did.
tim pool
But I mean, there's people at CNN that James O'Keefe exposed.
bethany mandel
Yeah.
tim pool
They're like talking to this hidden camera saying, look at all the really awful things this company does.
And they're still there.
And they just they know.
That's the craziest thing to me.
These people are caught on camera talking about how they know they're involved in malfeasance.
bethany mandel
But I think they think it's for the greater good, too.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
They're telling Hidden Camera, like, CNN is destroying everything.
bethany mandel
Right, I know.
tim pool
And we're helping them.
And then they're like, but we're gonna stay.
bethany mandel
But I think they think, ultimately, it is for the greater good, because they are setting a narrative that they think is important to be changed.
tim pool
Undercover camera exposes, they're admitting they're doing wrong.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you saying it's sort of like they're accelerationists?
They're like, look, we got to burn it down and we are willing to burn it down in this way.
tim pool
No, like there's one famous guy who's like sitting in a chair and he's like, or one of the famous exposes is a guy who's like, we used to go out and report the news, man.
Now all we do is just complain about Trump and just try and drive this And he thinks that's a good thing.
bethany mandel
I think they think that's a good thing.
tim pool
But he's complaining about it.
And he's saying he hates being there.
bethany mandel
I think it's annoying.
But ultimately, I think that given the choice between straight news reporting and trashing Trump, they don't... But this is a guy who's saying he wished they did real news reporting.
I think he wants to say that, but obviously he doesn't actually believe it, or he would have left.
ian crossland
Einstein said that's the definition of an insanity, is when you keep doing the same thing expecting a different result, and these people that are staying there expecting it, if they really are, they believe it's going to get better by staying there, they're insane, according to Einstein.
It's a very general term, but it could be a form of insanity.
I don't think that's a path to do it, but that could be an explanation of why.
tim pool
I agree with you in that regard, that a lot of people say they want things, but they really don't.
Like, they either don't want it, or they actually just don't care enough to pursue going after something.
So maybe for a lot of these people, they just think, you know, CNN's culture behind the scenes is to rag on the company for being garbage, but no one really cares.
bethany mandel
I mean, but also, where do they go?
Like, in their industry?
I mean, it's kind of like, you know, great sort of all the complaints that you hear about parents of kids in private schools, and they complain and they complain and complain.
I'm thinking of the sort of the folks that are talking about like the wokeness and in all these private schools.
And they stay because it's the pinnacle of achievement.
And I think that these people at CNN, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement in their industry.
And so where do they go?
What do they do?
There's no next step.
And so they're just sort of stuck in a holding pattern because they care more about their job.
tim pool
That's my point, though.
They care more about their personal lives than they do about the system they're participating in.
bethany mandel
Yeah, but I don't think it's just the paycheck.
I think it's also their pride.
I think it's a lot of their self-identity.
tim pool
It's probably why they demoted Taylor Lorenz.
The behind-the-scenes scuttlebutt was that long-time staffers were losing their minds.
Complaining that she was, like, besmirching the organization and tarnishing its name.
She really was.
Oh, absolutely.
ian crossland
She was a terrible PR for that company.
tim pool
Yeah, and they thought the controversy was gonna generate traffic or... So this is what... I heard this from someone who, you know, had, like, behind-the-scenes access or something like that.
bethany mandel
Is this at CN... This is... At Washington Post.
tim pool
Yeah, okay.
That the long-standing employees of the Washington Post, like the older people, were like, you are destroying the legacy of this company.
and that apparently there are people there who thought that Taylor Lorenz was going to generate
traffic through like controversy or stuff like that. I don't want to say that's confirmed.
bethany mandel
It's just rumor mill stuff. I've heard the same rumors.
tim pool
Right. So they're like they're journalists.
And so I wonder if the Washington Post was like, these people are going to quit on us,
and then we have nothing. So we got to do something. And so they demoted Taylor Lorenz.
bethany mandel
I mean, I think it I don't think that's why they do. I think that they just decided that she was
a liability.
I think she became a liability.
tim pool
Well, that's what I mean.
She was a liability.
People were, like, there was a risk to the company.
bethany mandel
But I don't think it was that it was a risk to the company.
I just think that they realized that she's... That's what a liability is.
No, no, no.
I think that they realized that she has no loyalty and that any controversy that she conjures, it's often going to be at their expense because she doesn't care about the brand.
She just cares about herself.
And so I don't think that they were worried that people were going to quit.
I think they were worried that she was a beast that was about to turn on them.
tim pool
Someone told me that when we put up the billboard in Times Square saying she doxed the libs of TikTok, that she immediately went and demanded they file a suit or something and file a legal thing to get taken down.
And they were like, it's an opinion statement.
You can't do anything about it.
And she lost it.
And then she went on Twitter and said it was so stupid and laughable.
And then I responded to her and I was like, I'm glad you think it's funny.
unidentified
Great.
tim pool
You got to say your thing.
I got to say my thing.
And then she lost it.
She blocked me and started screaming like it's violence or whatever.
unidentified
And I'm like, okay, dude, whatever, man.
tim pool
Someone pointed out to me that Timcast.com has a higher credibility rating than CNN.com.
bethany mandel
That's amazing.
tim pool
That's true.
That is in fact true.
That's kind of funny.
CNN's garbage.
hannah claire brimelow
Imagine what we'd have if other stuff wasn't going on.
ian crossland
I get the vibe that media companies, or like PR companies, like that news organizations have tended towards public relations.
That the news they produce is a form of PR.
The news, the medium is the message.
And so they're just trying to keep the way they look about presenting the news palatable for the masses, as opposed to just directly reporting the information.
And so that's why they have spin doctors and things like that.
It's a little concerning.
tim pool
Well, our standards at TimCast.com are extremely rigorous, and we have, like, conversations over how we frame things, even.
We don't just fact check, we frame check.
So we've had a conversation about, do we say pro-life or pro-choice?
We say neither.
Only in the context of when it, like, is truly explaining the circumstance.
But if someone comes out and says, we demand access to abortion, that is pro-abortion.
We don't need to say anything else.
It's not about choices.
It's just about whether you're for.
Nobody goes to a rally and says like, we think people should be able to choose their own meals, choose their own birth birthdays.
I'm like, okay, choice is a political term.
Life is a political term.
Are you against abortion or for abortion?
Of course, the pro-life people agree.
And they're like, that's fine.
I get it.
We're against abortion.
The pro-choice people lose their minds.
We are not pro-abortion.
Stop saying that.
And I'm like, dude, we are not going to editorialize this.
Let's go to Super Chats!
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com because we got some stories for you coming up on the After Hours show, man.
I'll just tell you, like, Boston Children's Hospital hysterectomies on children?
Yeah, we'll talk about that because this is... The way she delivered it, too.
I'm looking forward to that.
It's crazy.
She's like laughing and smiling.
It's Joker-level stuff, man.
Anyway, let's read some superchats from all of y'all.
Oh, here's one.
James Eaton says, I really like Static Shock.
He's a great superhero.
You ever watch that show or read that comic?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Static Shock.
They should do a Warner Brothers movie for Static.
That'd be legit.
I'd totally watch it.
Anyway, I had no idea what he was trying to say.
Was he talking about the audio maybe?
unidentified
Maybe.
hannah claire brimelow
I like it better that he's just trying to get your opinion on a superhero comic really quick.
tim pool
All right.
Cantankerous says, Tim, you keep mentioning picnicking at the Battle of Fort Sumter, and you are confusing it with the First Battle of Bull Run, July 21st, 1861, which was the first land battle of the Civil War.
Perhaps you are correct.
I was reading an article online when they mentioned the picnicking, and they may have I may have misinterpreted what they were saying.
I was reading a historical article and it was like, we know Battle of Fort Sumter, which started out the Civil War or whatever.
People were so in disbelief, they were picnicking on the hillside, and I may have assumed it was the same thing.
ian crossland
But you want to... Yeah, the first thing I typed, picnic battle of, and the first thing that came up was, was the first battle of Bull Run really the picnic battle?
tim pool
Ah, okay, well there you go.
Thank you, Kentinkeros, for the correction!
I will make sure to apply it to all of my analogies moving forward.
All right.
Let's see.
David C. says, From last night, does Ian understand that our politicians are like this because they aren't investigated?
All of them should fear investigation and prosecution.
ian crossland
Um, geez, I mean, there's so many reasons why people in control of the military and the power are doing what they're doing.
I think maybe part of it is that they feel like as long as they're in that position that they won't be investigated for doing what we've basically asked them to do behind our backs, which is control the military.
I mean, the amount of bombings and stuff that's going on in the world right now with our eyes blind to it is it's nuts.
It's nuts.
Um, we could talk more about that too.
I was talking about forgiveness.
I feel like a lot of this is like the air, like you were saying about Barry Weiss, that maybe she feels guilty about what she had done while she was part of the cult.
And like, maybe she said the N word and it's going to come out in 2017 at a meeting and like, just let it go, man.
Let all this past crap go so we can focus on right now and the future.
tim pool
Alright, Jay says, while I can't help being nervous, I am still hopeful.
I had to remind myself to breathe, slow down, and reset your thoughts.
We will defeat the authoritarians.
Right, Ian?
ian crossland
Uh, that is one way to look at it.
Yes, you slow down to speed up.
It's like getting traction with a wheel on a road.
If it spins too fast, it's not gonna go anywhere.
tim pool
All right, a bunch of Super Chats saying that Ian and my mics aren't working.
lydia smith
They were working, so the issue was that we turned up Bethany, because she was really quiet at first, and then she was picking up Echo from the room, so I muted the purple mic and turned yours down, and everything came out okay.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
lydia smith
Yeah, solved it.
tim pool
Beavis McLean says, check out Executive Order 13292, section 13.
Classification authority clearly states, authority to classify information may be exercised by the President in performance of executive duties.
This includes declassification as well.
Love you, Ian Crossland.
ian crossland
Oh, love you too.
What was that Executive Order number?
Do you have that again?
tim pool
13292, section 1.3.
Brandi Green says, Ian, thank you for the tip on differentiating the good Weinstein brothers.
Is it Weinstein?
ian crossland
Weinstein's like Einstein.
Those are the good guys.
tim pool
Weinstein brothers by rhyming with... Oh, it's right there.
I should have read it.
Rhyming with Einstein.
P.S.
I'm a S-A-H-M.
What is that?
lydia smith
Stay-at-home mom.
tim pool
Stay-at-home mom.
And watch Tim Cast and Pop Culture Crisis with my 22-month-old daily.
Here's to a based homeschool education.
That's awesome.
hannah claire brimelow
We are their baby's afterschool pop culture show.
That's amazing.
tim pool
They're going to learn all about Johnny Depp.
I had the honor of meeting a local politician in West Virginia recently and we're in discussions about I'm going to be helping fund a micro school.
Which believes in the traditional American values.
And they do have a Bible study, but I'm told it's optional for parents who just want to get away from the woke stuff.
But I dig it.
Microschool.
So it's going to be really small classrooms.
It's basically like the next level up after homeschooling, like private tutors, but in a bigger setting.
So I am absolutely trying to make sure we are putting our money where our mouths are.
ian crossland
Microschooling, that's it.
tim pool
It was legit.
Like, when I heard what they were talking about, the way they want to handle stuff, it's brilliant.
Instead of having, like, grades, you have grade subjects.
So, like, your third grade math and seventh grade reading.
And then they just work with you where you... That's what we do.
bethany mandel
I homeschool my kids, and that's exactly...
It's so great.
hannah claire brimelow
It was one of the worst things about the Hope Scholarship issues that West Virginia is having is that it took away a lot of choice that parents had to opt into other education.
The Hope Scholarship is like a program in West Virginia that would give money if you decide to pull your kid out of public school and choose an alternative route so you could put it towards all kinds of things and it got rejected by a judge in the state and that is a real blow to school choice in my opinion in West Virginia.
tim pool
E Rodriguez says, I'm catching up on one and a half playback speed and Tim is bordering on a rap god levels of words per minute.
ian crossland
That's it.
tim pool
Like I mentioned before, like when I'm doing segments on my other channels, I'll be like, I'll have so much going on with work that I'm like, I got to get this done fast.
But the segments are timed, not word count.
ian crossland
So I'll start talking really fast and end up turning a 20 minute segment into a double timed 40 minute segment because I'll say, dude, I put on one of our shows last week at two times speed and was listening to you, and I could, it was so fast, but I could understand every word you were saying because of your enunciation.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you have incredible enunciation.
I don't think you get enough credit for that.
tim pool
I don't know, do I?
ian crossland
It was funny.
hannah claire brimelow
It's extremely clear the way you speak about the headlines.
Yes, you're right.
bethany mandel
That was a good interview.
That was a good, what's the word?
hannah claire brimelow
I listened to you.
tim pool
Deli says, has the FBI done anything good recently?
ian crossland
It's tough.
It's tough to tell because they do a lot of stuff in secret.
I mean, they did deal with the mob pretty handedly.
I, um, I don't know what they're doing with the cartels.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like we could say they did this thing, right?
And then I'd be like Ruby Ridge and you'd be like, but they did this thing, right?
unidentified
I'd be like, do you remember Ed and Elaine Brown?
tim pool
I think Luke knew these people.
They were, it was 2007 I think, they weren't paying their income tax.
And so they had like a hundred acre property in New Hampshire and just said, nope.
And then the feds had to come in.
But they were really scared that they were gonna get another Waco or Ruby Ridge with like these people.
And then they realized, they said that these tax abolitionist people were letting supporters in.
So they just put on plain clothes, came up and knocked on the door and said they were supporters, got let in and then arrested them.
And that was like the end of it.
ian crossland
I looked at the IRS job hiring thing for these new 80,000 people.
Did you see some of the requirements?
They're like, just so you know, you gotta be ready to work 50 hours a week, use weapons against people if it comes up.
We should pull that up.
tim pool
Did you see that?
That was specifically the Criminal Investigation Division of the IRS, which has been around since 1919.
ian crossland
Uh-huh.
So, like, if you didn't pay some tax?
It really looks like a tax mob that they're trying to put together.
tim pool
So, this is crazy, because I'm seeing so many people mischaracterize what's going on.
Like, I don't like the IRS, dude.
Like, come on, who does?
And I don't think there should be 87,000 new IRS agents.
But I'm seeing people be like, Democrats want to hire 87,000 new IRS agents who are authorized to use deadly force.
They're building an army.
And I'm like, no.
They are hiring Criminal Investigation Division, because the IRS has a law enforcement section.
But they're not hiring 87,000 dudes with guns.
There's images of the IRS police.
They have badges.
It says police.
They wear armor.
It says police.
ian crossland
So it's been normalized, just so everyone knows.
tim pool
Well, yeah, for a hundred years.
And what they claim to particularly go after is if there's Al Capone-style stuff.
Mobsters who are doing money laundering schemes and things like that, the IRS sends in the criminal enforcement division to go after them.
hannah claire brimelow
I think people just didn't know that existed.
And so now they're freaking out.
Totally freaks them out.
tim pool
Rightly so.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
What is this?
Waffle Sensei says, Tim, are you going to repeat your deleted tweet from today on the after show?
Repeated, deleted tweet.
unidentified
Did you delete a tweet?
tim pool
Which one?
Oh, the one that I had to... I don't know.
I don't know what you're referring to.
The one that they made me get rid of?
ian crossland
Today?
tim pool
No, when they locked my account.
ian crossland
Do you ever tweet stuff out and then remove it?
tim pool
Only if there's a typo.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
I do that too.
tim pool
Oh, actually, yeah, there's probably been a couple instances, like where I make a mistake or something.
ian crossland
I was gonna post one last night.
I just left it on the screen unpublished and then I went to the sauna.
Or no, it was two nights ago.
And I'm like, if I still want to put it up out of the sauna, then I'll put it up because I couldn't decide.
Some things don't work in text.
You got to say them.
hannah claire brimelow
I just feel like I don't have the personality for Twitter.
I don't know what you need to be good at it.
And I appreciate people who are good, but like, I just feel like I'm not cut out for that world.
bethany mandel
I'm just, you have to be like really, really just brutal and very pithy.
And I feel like I am good at those things.
tim pool
Jeb Reid says fact.
The U.S.
has already fallen.
Republic is no longer.
The cornerstones of this country are shattered.
The next phase is mass attacks on, say, regular people.
He's insinuating the government will be doing it.
There was an article today that referred to the Gadsden flag as far-right extremism.
When your own country's history is labeled by the corporate press, by the institutions as extremism, It kind of feels like your country is being worn like a skin suit, you know.
bethany mandel
Well, there was that New Yorker cover of the Republican House and the Democratic House.
unidentified
Yes!
bethany mandel
And the Republican House had an American flag.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
I remember that.
bethany mandel
Yeah, it was a really...
Surprisingly insightful and striking cover, actually.
lydia smith
It was, and that cover did not get enough attention.
bethany mandel
No, it didn't.
lydia smith
Because the left-wing house was warm and open, well-manicured, green lawn, pride flag, Black Lives Matter, no American flag.
bethany mandel
Yeah, it really told on itself.
It kind of did, yeah.
I mean, we get, so at Heroes of Liberty, we publish books about, you know, Alexander Hamilton, Ronald Reagan, And we tried to run ads on Twitter about our books in the wake of Roe v. Wade and we were sort of advertising like faith and freedom whatever we never said anything about Dobbs nothing and Twitter throttled us and now I mean like Facebook throttled us also right in the very beginning like this idea that patriotism is somehow political is I mean we've been told that directly by these social media companies.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a global technocracy, Jeff.
Jeff was who made that last comment, right?
I want to make sure.
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
Don't be too black-pilled, man.
You know, you got neighbors.
tim pool
Ryan Hunter says, I think my biggest fear about the future we're staring down is the idea that a U.S.
civil conflict gets to a point where foreign entities like China and or Russia can recognize our breakaways.
ian crossland
Yeah, last night I was like, we do not want to fight each other.
If people start fighting each other, not only if you advocate for that, you've lost the plot.
You do not want that.
Outside governments will fund people to fight.
You don't want that crap.
tim pool
That's how it was in the revolution.
That's how it was in the Civil War.
bethany mandel
I think that's what's happening now.
I mean, I think TikTok is that.
I think that TikTok is fomenting and throwing accelerant on the fires that we already have going.
tim pool
But what'll end up happening in a civil war is China's gonna go to West Coast states and say, what do you need to win?
ian crossland
Yes.
Yes.
That's what we got to avoid, is that kind of thing.
tim pool
Could you imagine, like, the year is 2137.
Oh, that's too far in advance.
And, like, the United States and the Chinese Communist Party are, like, going over history, and they're like, when the revolution started, it was thanks to Chinese intervention.
And they make movies called, like, there's, like, a new movie called The Patriot.
And, like, a Chinese general lands in California and is like, I will help you win.
bethany mandel
In San Francisco.
tim pool
Yeah, in San Francisco.
ian crossland
We used to not have Trans-Pacific Magnetic Trains before we were one country.
tim pool
Trans-Pacific Magnetic.
ian crossland
United States of China.
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
All right.
tim pool
Let's get some more super chats.
I think the FBI is important.
appropriate a portion of the FBI's budget to be grants to the state's bureaus of investigation
unidentified
I do.
tim pool
instead.
Then we'll see if they can still afford to fund partisanship in their budget.
I think the FBI is important.
I do.
Interstate crime is an issue and dealing with it is something we need to do.
The problem is I don't feel like anyone has confidence in the institution at this point
so something's got to change.
Otherwise, people are just gonna get angrier and angrier, and then you'll get crazy stuff like what we saw today, which we definitely do not want.
ian crossland
We could have an FBI agent on the show someday.
tim pool
Probably.
Didn't we have, like, former?
lydia smith
Yeah, we've had some people who were formerly working in that field.
Yeah, it's interesting.
bethany mandel
There's a lot in this area.
tim pool
Mike Rollman says, make Dan Bongino head of the FBI.
Okay.
Can we?
lydia smith
That would be fun.
ian crossland
Let's do it.
tim pool
Is it possible?
lydia smith
He has experience in that field.
bethany mandel
Jim Comey can do it.
The sky's the limit.
lydia smith
Let's go.
tim pool
John Kirsten says there is no need for the FBI when they serve practically the same function as the U.S.
Marshals.
unidentified
That's interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, I hear that.
But do the Marshals do the investigatory work and things like that?
bethany mandel
Yeah, that's my question.
tim pool
They do?
bethany mandel
I don't think they do.
I think they just do arrests.
tim pool
Yeah, I like watching those old westerns where the marshal would go out to collect a bounty or something like that.
Those are fun.
ian crossland
Just watched a little Young Guns last night.
tim pool
There you go.
Matthew Jamieson says the CIA was doing MKUltra by fines paid to citizens of Canada.
Klaus Schwab's assistant says humans are hackable.
Would the gov... Would the gov to do this?
Yes.
Okay.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Waffle Sensei says, Hey bro, can I get an update on the album?
I need some sick beats to kick at work.
You know, I don't think we're doing an album.
I think we're doing an album, but we're just releasing the singles.
Cause we talked about it and like, it's not really the way they, no one really does it anymore where they just put out an album.
And so we've got a song planned for release in 10 days.
Ten days bro, that's crazy.
ian crossland
I'm so excited.
I heard you playing a couple songs earlier.
I was singing along with them.
tim pool
Dude, I'm really stoked on... People are gonna be confused by whatever this band is.
No one's gonna be able to define it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was like, there's this one song that I really like, A Million to One.
It's like, uh, Don't Stop Believin' by Journey, but it's kind of like the Foo Fighters.
tim pool
I think it's way too simple to be described like that.
ian crossland
Yeah, like, it's got that, like, uplifting, like, kind of vague, inspirational feel.
Like, Don't Stop Believin', that's what I got.
unidentified
Poppy.
ian crossland
It's real popular.
tim pool
We've got one song that's like discordant electro with guitar and like electric drums that has like weird voice modulation.
It's a really trippy song.
And then like the first song we're putting out is very just like pop, like with like rock in the end.
I don't know, it's all over the place.
Because I don't like bands where it's like they write one song and then copy it seven times and release an album.
ian crossland
Yeah, well I like it when you're like, that's the same band?! !
That's what I'm looking for.
tim pool
Oh yeah, people are going to be like, the first they're going to say, there's no way that's Tim singing.
Then they're going to say, is this still Tim?
Because it's like, it's all very different.
ian crossland
Is that Tim?
And it'll be me.
tim pool
That's the funny thing, like, we have a song out already called Will of the People, and, like, half the comments are like, is this really Tim singing?
It's like, we used to play it.
You can Google it.
You can just, like, watch me sing on the show.
lydia smith
Yeah, Friday nights.
tim pool
Not that I was singing very well back then, because it's like, you can't record 16 hours a day, you know, work 16 hours a day, and then try and sing at the end of it, but... Eric Miller says, I watched your bit about Monsters, Inc.
Is it just me, or is it a mockery of mainstream media, i.e.
scared children as frightened viewers?
That's actually a fair point.
We were talking, Mary said that, isn't Monsters, Inc.
like adrenochrome?
Like scaring the kids and then using that to fuel their machines or whatever?
Actually, it's a really good point about the media.
Freaking out and screaming in people's faces to get them all scared so they can power their machines.
There you go, man.
What a creepy world that we live in.
ian crossland
Adrenochrome, for the record, is oxidized adrenaline, if anyone's wondering.
tim pool
Yeah, and people believe really weird things about it for some reason.
Matt Burkhart says, please keep Hannah Clare as a full-time member of the show.
She is definitely my favorite.
unidentified
She rocks.
tim pool
After Tim, of course.
Well, you know.
ian crossland
Hey, they didn't say that, did they?
tim pool
Thank you so much!
unidentified
Yes, it does.
tim pool
It does say that.
hannah claire brimelow
You heard it from them first.
ian crossland
You're great on this show.
I love your information.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, gosh.
Thanks for having me on.
It was always weird because I would watch the show downstairs and be like, I don't even think I could talk this much.
I couldn't talk for this long.
tim pool
No, she was down there like, I could talk better than all of them.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I practiced my enunciation so that I could be on the show.
tim pool
Unique New York.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm so grateful to be here.
It's been fun.
tim pool
How now, brown cow?
Cubicle Investor says, Ian, last night you said government level crimes should be pardoned.
What message does that send minorities doing time for far less egregious crimes?
That would just further solidify class issues.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm open to a mass pardon.
And I don't know, I don't think it should have to stop at any one spot.
What's that?
hannah claire brimelow
You would pardon everybody?
ian crossland
Well, I don't know if everybody's the right word, but I'm talking like 150 years of nonsense.
We've been at each other's throats for... Anarchy.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Everyone's pardoned.
ian crossland
But I don't advocate for, like, turning the other way for ongoing crime or for future crime.
I'm not talking about that.
bethany mandel
And what about violent crime?
unidentified
Yeah.
Rapes and murders.
ian crossland
Violent crime's kind of off the table.
I'm not really into pardoning violence.
bethany mandel
Okay.
I just feel like that's a good... when you give that spiel, you should include that.
hannah claire brimelow
You should be like, let everyone out!
Let's let the murderers go!
ian crossland
But like, when someone orders a drone strike, is that a non-violent crime?
bethany mandel
So here's another question.
What about a dealer who knowingly was distributing fentanyl-laced drugs?
ian crossland
And getting kids hooked on them that died?
Yeah, exactly.
Is that violence?
hannah claire brimelow
Would you pardon them?
bethany mandel
Because drug... I mean, I...
ian crossland
Well, let's think about it.
I can't do this alone.
It's got a long conversation we should have.
tim pool
All right, Powder PZ says, my dog killed one of my chickens today.
Rest in peace, Drumstick.
You will be missed, little chickie-choo.
If you watch Chicken City, we're talking about who we're gonna eat first.
unidentified
Oh, no.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, so the- I think we should start aiming at things like that,
like your chicken tenders.
tim pool
Yeah, people do that.
Drumstick and tenderloin.
bethany mandel
Why don't you put it to vote?
I feel like it would be Hunger Games, but chicken style.
tim pool
We're not going to eat any that have names.
But like 70% have no names.
bethany mandel
What if you just like take mug shots of them and then just put it up for a vote?
tim pool
I think we should actually criminally charge them.
So Roberto, for instance, he was sent to, we call it Cocktown.
There's 18 roosters there.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh!
tim pool
Yeah, now what most people out here do is they say, you let nature have them.
Like, you just let them do their thing, go off, and then maybe a fox will eat them or something.
bethany mandel
Right.
tim pool
But some of the people here did not find that appealing.
And I'm like, well, if we don't let them go, we're gonna eat them.
But you know, roosters are tough.
They're like rubber.
You gotta, you gotta slow cook them and get it going if you want to, you know, get it right.
But Roberto, He abused one of the hens.
lydia smith
He's terrible.
tim pool
Dorothy.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Dorothy.
And so initially we had to lock Dorothy away because she was getting hurt.
Protective custody.
And then people complained and said, why are you punishing the victim?
And I said, good point.
Roberto has been sentenced for his crimes and he has been sent to a penal colony.
lydia smith
Banished.
hannah claire brimelow
You banished him.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Banished.
So it's funny because we have three really big black star roosters, which are bullies.
And so we, we have a chicken, we have a coop, and then in it are all the smaller roosters, and then Roberto's in charge, because he was the biggest and oldest.
But the three Blackstar boys were just, they would gang up and spin around them.
So we have them with an electrified fence outside the coop, and it looks like they're prison guards.
It's actually kind of funny.
lydia smith
That's really funny.
tim pool
And they jump on top of it, and they, they crap all over the place.
One of them apparently jumped out and tried getting away, but we were like...
ian crossland
You just let him go?
bethany mandel
Go ahead.
hannah claire brimelow
You want to go to nature.
I mean, how could you stop them, right?
tim pool
But we can have mock trials for the ones we're going to eat.
ian crossland
Maybe we can walk in and be like, come here, everybody.
Come here.
And the one that doesn't come is the one that gets eaten.
So we get to keep the personable ones.
tim pool
Oh, JMK says, Joe Rogan said in his podcast today that he thought Tim Pool was crazy for thinking a civil war was coming.
And now he believes Tim may be right.
lydia smith
I listened to that.
tim pool
Did he really?
I don't know.
Can someone tweet that to you?
Would you be able to see it?
lydia smith
Sure, yeah.
ian crossland
Tag me in it or something.
tim pool
Yeah, tag Ian Crossland right on Twitter.
Tag Ian if you saw that clip.
I gotta tell you, it was 2019, I think, when I went on Rogan with Twitter, and I said at the end of it that if Twitter kept doing what they were doing with censorship, it was going to lead to civil chaos or conflict or something.
And I was like, that's why I'm building a van!
I can build in a van with all this equipment in it, and like, solar power, cause... Yo, I'm- I'm looking at what's going on.
And you know, honestly, I knew people would think that was crazy.
That I would say something like that, I'm gonna build a van and go live down by the river!
They're gonna be like, this dude's off his rocker.
And I wasn't- I- look.
I just say, I don't know exactly what's gonna happen.
But you look at where we are now, and if you don't think we are in the midst of historical tumult, then you are a frog boiling in a pot.
bethany mandel
When did you say that?
2019?
tim pool
In 2018 I said a civil war was coming.
On 2019 I was on Rogan when I said if Twitter keeps doing this.
bethany mandel
It doesn't seem so crazy after 2020.
When there was armed guards outside Costco and I had to buy freaking diapers.
And then we had a formula shortage the next year.
I think that our trust in the stability of our civilization is sufficiently rocked by everything we saw in 2020.
That I don't think people would think you were crazy saying that now.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the writing's been on the walls for some people who pay a lot of attention to news and cultural shifts for a long time, but people don't want to hear it because they can't conceptualize what a civil war would look like.
That's like even now with everything that's going on with, you know, a recent attack on an FBI building, there's this question of like, is it starting?
Is this it?
Is this what we've been talking about?
ian crossland
Yeah, I said before the show.
Oh, what were you going to say?
bethany mandel
Oh, I was just going to joke that my contractor thinks I'm crazy because I have a nice stockpile of food and diapers.
ian crossland
Before the show, I was like, no, Tim, I don't think it's civil war.
And I was like, you know what?
This is semantic.
It doesn't matter what we call it.
We're all aware of what's this chaos.
I think it's global, I think for sure.
That's undisputable at this point, that there's global corporate.
But it really doesn't matter how you term the thing.
The chaos is real.
The chaos is apparent, I believe.
tim pool
Man, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Roberto Jr.
is the second best junior.
So we got Roberto Jr.
on this billboard in Times Square advertising Chicken City, and my favorite comment was, Roberto Jr.
is sitting atop a throne he did not create.
Because Roberto was the boss for a while.
But the thing is, Roberto's mean.
Roberto's a pretty mean guy.
And Roberto Jr.' 's really nice.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Roberto's like a great warrior with low intelligence as a leader.
But Roberto Jr. would just like look at you and he like does his thing and then he flaps his wings and walks around.
But it's probably because we raised Roberto Jr.
From when he hatched.
bethany mandel
Right.
tim pool
And you know, and then Roberto we bought.
ian crossland
Roberto's like a great warrior with low intelligence as a leader.
Like you don't really want that guy as your leader.
But he was the first one.
It was like Alexander the Great's father.
What was his name?
The first Macedonian?
Something of Macedon.
bethany mandel
I love how he looks around.
ian crossland
We're like, Philip of Macedon.
Someone knows.
bethany mandel
You'll get this from one of us.
ian crossland
Philip of Macedon.
He was, I mean, he was also extremely intelligent and charismatic, but not like Alex.
hannah claire brimelow
I think part of it is, like, Roberto had a different set of circumstances.
He had to kind of make his way through life.
It was a much harder time, and now, you know, he has given his son this kingdom to rule, and it's, you know, it requires a different set of skills.
tim pool
He's doing a good job, actually.
Roberto Jr.
is a good dude.
ian crossland
Yeah, he makes good music.
tim pool
Matt Giese says, you guys remember when Alec Baldwin shot someone?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
ian crossland
Yo, if someone's gonna play James Comey in a movie, it's Alec Baldwin.
unidentified
Because last time I watched a video... No, but why do we let him play people in movies at all, you know?
ian crossland
Oh, that's true.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like, you shoot someone on set.
I don't know that we, like, bring you back on, right?
unidentified
Maybe?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's a good point.
He needs 10 years off.
bethany mandel
I mean, the insurance premiums alone, I feel like.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Mike the Dad Crosby says, oh, on Twitter it appears Trump stole the nuclear codes.
I hope they can change them now, and since it's too easy to guess, 4321.
Is that what you're saying on Twitter?
bethany mandel
Password.
I think he stole some alien's information.
I think, I mean, they're out there.
I think he stole the information.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
You think he's talking, he's told information about talking plasma?
Where they triangulate lasers and hit a point in the sky where it shows up on radar and they think it's a craft, but they just move around a dot?
bethany mandel
I feel like I just set off the Ian Batt signal.
ian crossland
Let's talk about aliens.
hannah claire brimelow
You showed your true color.
ian crossland
I said the other night Zeta Reticuli wasn't real.
I kind of misinterpreted what I was thinking.
Aliens didn't really come from Zeta Reticuli.
That's just what they told Bob Lizard.
bethany mandel
It's literally 959.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
It is real.
hannah claire brimelow
You did this.
tim pool
All right, Sparky says, Tim, don't you realize the feds are swatting you?
Why would I realize that?
Why would the feds be swatting me?
You know, I just, I don't understand this kind of, like, conspiracy logic, I guess.
What would be gained by swatting me when it has zero impact on us?
We had a credible threat, which did cause an evacuation, but... That was the night after I was here last.
Yeah, 40,000 people watched, and then Jeremy Hambly gave us a bunch of money.
And so I was like, eh, it kind of sucks, but you make the best of it.
hannah claire brimelow
We learned that Chercast was a viable option for the business.
tim pool
And also, I need to stress that the properties that are being targeted are known specifically to a group of people that we're aware of, and so evidence does not indicate there is the Feds coming after us, to put it simply.
I can't give out too much information, but let me just say there's something called coloring the water.
Where you have three cups on a table, and there's a pool of water under all of them.
How do you figure out which cup is leaking?
You put red in one, green in one, and blue in the other.
And whatever color the water on the table turns, you know where the leak is in the cup.
To put it simply, the people who are committing the swattings have made a series of errors in thinking that traps were not set.
So...
We'll see what happens, but at this point, considering what I know of the investigation, I can say that much.
Because the deeds have already been done, and we've already ensnared enough information, we think.
So, we'll see how it goes.
We'll see what happens.
Let's grab a couple more.
What do we got here?
We'll grab one more.
Tyler W. says, To the gulag with you, Roberto, I banish you.
You know, I'm worried about old Roberto.
You know, I don't want any harm to befall him.
He's one of the original cast members of Chicken City.
But we just can't have a dad banging his daughters.
Yeah, that was the problem.
ian crossland
He went too far.
tim pool
Well, that's what they do.
Chickens, you know.
So now we have, it's funny, we have his son Isaac.
Who is a Brahma Red Island Red Mix.
And he's massive.
He's huge. He's gonna be so big. Brahma. Brahmas are so big.
And so he's already, you know, he jumped on a hen today, and the other hens ran up start
pecking him to stop him.
unidentified
They were like, get out of here. Like, yo, yeah, good.
ian crossland
Second wave feminism. Second wave.
tim pool
All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button,
subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends and become a member at timcast.com.
We're going to have that uncensored episode coming up in about an hour or so.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me at TimCast.
Bethany, do you want to shout anything out?
bethany mandel
Yeah, Bethany Schoendark on Twitter and Instagram and HeroesofLiberty.com for your children's book needs and Deseret.com for my other thoughts.
tim pool
We should get some of those books for the school I was talking about.
bethany mandel
I was actually going to try to plug that, but I thought... Absolutely.
Yeah, I would love that.
tim pool
No, yeah.
Right on.
unidentified
Cool.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah Clare.
I'm a writer for timcast.com.
It's a very cool news site.
I recommend you check it daily.
You can follow me on Instagram at hannahclare.b.
I was on today's episode of Pop Culture Crisis.
So if you go to YouTube, you can check that out.
And you might see me a lot there next week.
ian crossland
Hi guys, Ian Crossland.
You know, it's easy to get things wrong when you talk a lot as your job in public.
So if I ever say anything that's factually inaccurate, please tweet it at me and hit my app, Ian Crossland, on Twitter or on Mines so that I can attempt to correct the error on air live, like what I did about Zeta Reticuli earlier.
Happy to be here.
Always happy for the opportunity.
Bethany, great to see you again.
Bye, everyone.
lydia smith
Thank you guys for tuning in tonight with Bethany.
We always have a great time.
I'm loving the presence of more ladies.
I feel like this is definitely a trend I can get behind.
You guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sarpatchlets as well as Sarpatchlets.me.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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