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July 25, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Twitter SUSPENDS Tim Pool For Calling Out Grooming, Tim Goes OFF w/Zuby
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ian crossland
11:52
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mary morgan
05:15
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tim pool
01:11:24
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zuby
30:56
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lydia smith
01:32
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tim pool
They got me!
Twitter finally got me.
I was out, I was doing work, I came back home and I looked at my computer screen and there was a thing, because I had Twitter open, and it said, you are being locked out of your account unless you delete the following tweet.
This is why, let me tell you why this is crazy.
I was calling out grooming and I don't not like willy-nilly just call people groomers like some people have been doing.
So there's one story where, well let me pause a second.
We know that Twitter and Reddit have announced they'll ban the term groomer because they say that word applies to all LGBTQ people, which I have certainly argued against quite a bit.
And so I had a tweet That was specifically showing a group of adults showing sexual content to children, and I said, yes, they are grooming your kids.
Twitter said I had to delete it.
Now, I don't care about Twitter.
Like, I really don't.
And I mentioned this before about Jordan Peters when he got suspended.
I was like, just delete it.
And then start smack-talking Twitter like crazy.
And so, I mean, that's my attitude.
Now I'll do a show talking about it.
I will use the Twitter platform to ripple out the issue as much as I can.
And then the post-millennial wrote, Tim Pool goes to war with Twitter.
Because I started pulling up as many stories as I could about Twitter having defended pedophiles.
Numerous instances where they have done things, have been called out for, had panic meetings, and they keep doing it.
So when I actually call out grooming, legitimately, it wasn't like I was just arguing with some random person.
No, I actually had a photo of people grooming children.
They deleted that.
I'm gonna call him out.
So we're gonna talk all about that.
We got a couple other stories.
Obviously, Joe Biden, he's come out and said there won't be a recession.
It's funny, because they changed the definition of recession.
Then Biden says there won't be one, which kind of means there probably will be one.
So we've got that, and we've got a bunch of other stories.
I don't know, whatever.
I'm all riled up about the Twitter locking my account thing, and so we'll get into all that.
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And I also have another really quick announcement.
Shout out to everybody who helped make it possible.
We got massive 96-foot billboards in Times Square, ranging from the totally legitimate to the totally absurd.
You can see here, it says, Timcast IRL, here's the quote on it, is the best podcast I, a 25- to 54-year-old male, have ever listened to, with a quote from Reactor, YouTube star who is, of course, my brother, plays a fictional character.
And then we got Luke Rydkowski, of course, on the other side, parallel, 20 ad sets, 96 feet tall, sending a message.
And that message includes a 96-foot-tall advertisement of my rooster.
My rooster.
A very large ad of my rooster.
And so I can tell everybody that I bought an ad in Times Square with a massive picture of my rooster.
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it's gotta be a real quote.
And I was like, I just said it.
I'm like, yeah, but what's your act?
I was actually told this to be completely honest.
I was actually told that, uh, everybody thinks it's the best.
And so I said, we're going to run with it.
So anyway, with all that being said, I'm really grateful to have a massive 96 foot, uh, billboard
in times square of my rooster.
And joining us today to talk about that and more is the wonderful Zuby.
zuby
What's up, guys?
Happy to be back.
Thank you for inviting me once again.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Who are you, man, for people who may not be familiar?
zuby
Yeah, sure.
My name is Zuby.
I'm an independent rapper, author, host of the Real Talk with Zuby podcast.
I also do coaching and public speaking.
A lot of people know me for different things.
People know me for breaking the British women's deadlift record several years ago, featured on a lot of great and wonderful podcasts, including this one right here.
And yeah, all around someone who tries to uplift people positively, who does my best to seek the truth and speak the truth and keep it real and authentic.
And a lot of people love me for that and some don't.
tim pool
Right on, man.
This is going to be a lot of fun.
We also have Mary Morgan of Pop Culture Crisis hanging out.
mary morgan
Well, hello!
No, Mary, it's scary.
So I'm back.
I co-host Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube.
We talk about movies, celebrities, all the entertainment news over there.
It's more lighthearted content than IRL, I would say.
So go over there and subscribe.
tim pool
We also, so in all seriousness, when people are like, why did you put a rooster on this billboard?
It's actually a massive ad set for all of the website, which includes Mary.
She's got a 96 foot billboard of herself in Times Square right now.
mary morgan
Yeah.
I kind of wish I had laser eyes in it.
tim pool
Laser eyes?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
We could have done that.
mary morgan
We can switch it around.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
We can, well, it's a video.
We can make it so that your eyes start glowing.
We can just, we just send them the file and they'll do it.
mary morgan
We made one.
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh.
mary morgan
I was just like, can we do that then?
zuby
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay, cool.
tim pool
All right.
Well, we'll get that done.
We got Ian.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Ian Crosland here, iancrosland.net.
Zuby, you got a book?
That's hot.
zuby
Yeah, man.
I got two books.
My children's book, The Candy Calamity, just came out beginning of this month with Brave Books.
You can check that out at candycalamity.com or bravebooks.com.
And of course, my previous book, Strong Advice, is available at teamzuby.com.
So yeah, man, I had the first fitness book for the grownups and now one for the youth.
ian crossland
All right, I'm going to ask you a little bit about it later in the show.
zuby
Yeah, man, we'd love to talk about it.
ian crossland
Heck yeah, man!
lydia smith
Yeah, I was enjoying reading that kid's book, so hopefully we can talk more about it later.
Thank you guys for joining.
tim pool
Alright, here's the first story from the post-millennial writing about me.
lydia smith
Very quickly.
tim pool
So, I thought it was really funny because we were pulling up stories and I'm like, what's the biggest news of the day?
Is it the recession that we are in that Biden's denying and then Lydia pulls up?
Breaking!
Breaking news!
Tim Pool goes to war with Twitter over groomer controversy.
Journalist Tim Pool went to war with Twitter on Monday after the social media platform locked him out of his account for criticizing groomers.
And I just went off.
I pulled up a whole bunch of stories about Twitter protecting pedophiles.
It's not hard.
They also blocked me from posting ads.
I got two emails.
One said, your account is locked.
And the other says, you are now ineligible to post advertisements on Twitter.
lydia smith
Did you ever?
tim pool
Yeah.
I did an ad run for the song we did, Will of the People.
It got like three million views.
I was like, wow, that's actually better than YouTube.
Hey, maybe Twitter's a good medium for putting this stuff- Not anymore, apparently.
ian crossland
They said you're blocked forever?
tim pool
They just said my account is now ineligible to run ads.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
tim pool
All because I had a tweet- I can't even pull it up, they make you delete it.
There was an image I saw, and it showed adult men showing sexual things to children.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Overtly.
This was not an issue of, like, a dude reading a book.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
This was an issue of, I think it was, like, a dude reading a book pointing to sexual things or something like that.
I honestly can't remember.
But, like, you guys know me.
People are like, Tim's a fence-sitter.
Why would he do something like this?
There are people on Twitter who will just call out overtly anyone as a groomer.
Mine was like, I was making a literal point.
They're like, hey, look at this.
This is not just some dude reading a book.
This is overt grooming of children.
They locked me out and told me I had to delete it.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So I don't think Twitter matters all that much, to be honest.
The amount of people who saw that tweet is in the few thousand.
It's like tens of thousands.
And I was like...
Who cares?
Like, what's the impact on society gonna be if a bunch of people like me on Twitter see this thing?
I don't care.
But what do I do on Twitter?
I, you know, ish post.
And I make the blue-checky journalists freak out when I post nonsense.
That's more valuable.
So, the only people who actually see stuff on Twitter are journalists.
And I guess other commentators.
So there's no real public value to it, so I just deleted it.
But here's ultimately where we get to.
I'll read you a few of these stories.
EV Magazine.
Twitter is a breeding ground for the normalization of pedophilia.
Daily Dot.
Twitter accused of letting pedophiles discuss their sexual attraction to children.
AP.
Twitter is not placing sex offender notices on sex offender accounts.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
The Next Web.
Twitter lets pedophiles publicly discuss their attraction to minors, Scholar argues.
And then I said Twitter actively protects and supports pedophilia.
This is... It's just overt and outright right now.
zuby
Yeah, and the dude, the fact that they suspended your account for what you did is literally that, right?
I mean, they're more upset about you saying, hey, look at what these people are doing, than the fact that people are doing that.
So they are directly protecting these individuals.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So that's right.
zuby
Yeah.
ian crossland
I get the vibe that when you're in a culture war or any conflict, really, if you establish vulnerability in your foe, you don't want to have fun with it because then that gives them a time to build up a defense mechanism towards it.
So like this groomer narrative, it's very effective because people have been grooming children sexually.
We see it on, you know, on videos and crazy stuff.
But if people just start LOL, groomer, groomer, groomer, you start to see other people establish an immune response.
And that's what the Twitter admins have done by saying you can't even call people groomers.
Groomer is a neutral term.
Parents groom children to be great people.
Some people like grooming is just getting someone ready to become something.
And I think it's insane that people have forced it to become this negative connotation when we should really be focusing on the behavior and not what it's called.
tim pool
They decided that an actual word to describe a behavior is a slur.
Imagine if someone, like, skateboarded.
And then you're like, that's a skateboarder right there.
And then the skateboarder's like, hey man, don't call me that.
And then Twitter was like, we're gonna ban you if you call them skateboarders.
It's like, they're literally doing it.
mary morgan
Have you gotten a temporary suspension before?
tim pool
Nope, this is the first in the history of my Twitter career to ever... It's almost over.
mary morgan
Your Twitter career is almost over, dude.
tim pool
Hey man, it's been a long run.
It's been 13 years.
zuby
Yeah, I'm on 13 as well.
2009 gay.
tim pool
That's right.
Yeah, crazy, right?
But you know, there was a period where I took it seriously and I would use Twitter to report the news and post stories.
Now, I post a picture of a 96 foot tall rooster that I got in Times Square.
ian crossland
Big, beautiful rooster.
zuby
But with that said, I mean, of course, though, I mean, you've built a phenomenal platform outside of it, which 99.9% of people don't have.
So in your case, I mean, if you didn't use Twitter again, like at this stage, you're good to go?
tim pool
No, but the truth is I learned this the hard way.
Twitter was always a big mistake.
zuby
How so?
tim pool
When I got started doing news and commentary, I was like, wow, Twitter is this great place.
I should have been on YouTube from the beginning.
I should have started making YouTube videos.
Instead, I was posting on Twitter because I was convinced that people responding and tweeting was legitimate conversation.
And then it was only like two years later, I was like, I should have started a YouTube channel.
And I started a YouTube channel.
And then I started building that up.
And you can see, here's the thing with Twitter.
Nobody ever walks up to me on the street and goes, you're that guy from Twitter!
zuby
Happens to me every day.
tim pool
Does it really?
You for real?
Yeah, not for me.
I've had one.
It was after Ferguson.
Some guy, like actually my neighbor, was like, hey man, I saw you on Twitter.
But since then, it's always YouTube, it's always podcasts, it's always someone else's show.
And when I worked for these big media companies, they would outright tell you this.
Twitter does not drive traffic, so we don't use it.
And I was like, what do you mean?
I was all like, no, of course it does.
Like everybody's using Twitter.
And they were like, bro.
And they'd show me the metrics.
And Twitter would drive like, a tweet would get like 0.01 clicks or something.
Just like out of the reach that it got.
zuby
Maybe my analytics are like super mega high.
tim pool
The difference is, if you're using Twitter on Twitter, that makes sense.
If you're building a company and trying to use Twitter as like an external tool, it does nothing for you.
So being on Twitter, Okay.
zuby
This is not the case for me at all.
Wow.
That's surprising to me.
I'm way bigger on Twitter than I am on YouTube.
I spend more time on it as well.
I have a YouTube channel and Instagram and Facebook, but Twitter's the biggest and Twitter does the most for my actual business as well.
mary morgan
How does Twitter generate revenue for you more than YouTube can?
zuby
I've sold tens of thousands of things on Twitter.
unidentified
Wow.
zuby
Merchandise, books.
mary morgan
Well, you mean promoting them on Twitter?
You're not directly selling them on Twitter.
zuby
You're promoting them with that platform.
Yeah, I mean, there's a link, but people are coming from Twitter.
tim pool
Here's the question.
zuby
Twitter is the biggest sales platform for my book, for example.
tim pool
Here's the question, though.
zuby
Yeah.
tim pool
Would you be bigger?
zuby
On YouTube?
tim pool
On any other platform?
zuby
Well, I use Instagram.
I do use YouTube.
I do use Facebook.
I use them all.
unidentified
Do you have your own website?
zuby
Yeah.
Maybe I'm an anomaly.
TeamZoobie.com.
That's where I sell my book, my music, my merchandise.
But yeah, for me, Twitter is the biggest traffic driver.
ian crossland
Do you do videos on Twitter?
zuby
Yeah, sometimes.
tim pool
Well, I will say this.
For me, there's only one thing I care about Twitter for, and it's my following list.
I follow left-wing, right-wing journalists and news organizations, and it's just a really easy way to get a news list.
That's the only thing I care about.
So that's why I'm usually posting nonsense.
zuby
The thing with social media is different things are good for different people.
Like I know people who Instagram is their, that's their generator.
Like they get their clients, their sales, their money, like they get their money from Instagram.
I know people where it's Facebook.
I know people it's Twitter.
I know people it's YouTube.
Um, so I think maybe it just, I think it just varies from individual to individual.
And I think it's also what you like.
Some people like doing YouTube.
And some people just like Twitter, some people like Instagram.
And I think if you like something, then you just go that much harder on it.
tim pool
Let's talk about the problem with Twitter and where it's going with this story.
This is part of, whether it's intentional or not, it was explained to me by a former Trump administration official that what the big tech companies, Democrats, the Uniparty, neocon types are trying to do is Give anti-establishment people just enough voice so there's no ruckus, but reduce their voice just enough so it's politically neutered.
Yeah, it doesn't have an impact in the long term.
So if you've got a fierce rivalry between two factions and suspending one would result in an explosion of rage, you do is you suspend 1%.
Now it's a lopsided battle.
The left gets a major advantage against the right, and the right slowly loses out.
So when you do something like this, telling someone like me, I can't say a groomer, to someone literally showing kids, you know, adult materials...
That is a big move, a big line jump.
So now on Twitter, me getting hit, me talking about it, how many people do you think are gonna fall in line and go, uh-oh?
zuby
Yeah, it's got a chilling effect.
It's the same thing they did over the past two and a half years, they did it during the Trump era and so on.
It's creating that chill.
And one of the biggest issues that we have right now in Western society, and it's across the USA, it's in the UK, it's in Canada, it's everywhere, is just this climate of fear.
Like, the level of self-censorship that is now happening, I mean, we can sit here and we can, you know, talk openly and we're all open to sharing our opinions, but the sheer number of people, hundreds of millions of people who are just scared to say what they think, whether they... Go ahead.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
zuby
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, just the sheer number of people who are just absolutely terrified to say, What they think on so many various issues from politics to social stuff to culture stuff to the entire pandemic situation.
It's concerning.
It's really concerning, especially because these are places where you're supposed to have free speech.
And if you cannot actually exercise your freedom of speech, then do you really have it?
tim pool
Of course not.
And so people seem to think that... Let me put it this way.
We have the After Hours Uncensored show over at TimCast.com.
Sign up.
We're gonna have one of those up tonight at 11.
And often, we do say things that are like... We have conversations that Twitter doesn't... I'm sorry, that YouTube doesn't allow.
So we talked with Marjorie Taylor Greene about the 2020 election and what the Republicans plan to do, or I should say when they win in November, presumably.
And we talked about that.
I actually don't think that conversation would get banned on YouTube.
I'm just not willing to entertain that.
It's, you know, because YouTube is, their rules are vague, they're nebulous.
So the issue is, of course, we don't want to be censored.
We want to have the biggest conversations possible with the most people, and people need to hear these things.
And so it's a question of if we have 100 topics to talk about, are we forced to take one of
those topics to the website?
And that's the challenge.
It's not it's not an easy decision to make.
A lot of people are like, Tim, sacrifice the presence on YouTube.
Stop doing the show altogether to make a point.
And I'm like, then how are we winning anything?
So that's the challenge.
But here's what happens.
People think that we censor ourselves on the show to a great degree.
Not true at all.
There are some things we will use innuendo for or dance around if it is like an overt, you know, going to get us shut down.
We don't call people slurs.
We don't swear.
I don't really have any of that stuff to worry about.
What you need to understand is that We say the things we believe in, and the people who said the things they believe in got banned, right?
So when people refer to me as like a milquetoast fence-sitter, which is like the long-running joke, yes, understand that when they start banning me, that's where the line has moved to.
That's how far we're getting.
So it's not that I sit here and I'm like, I better not say these things, oh no, I don't want to anger YouTube.
It's that I'll outright say, YouTube is dumb and says they'll shut the show down if we say that, so go watch it on my website.
Let's build up a bigger website, challenge all of these systems, it's the best we can do.
I will say, the people who have opinions that are overtly banned, you're never going to hear from them again.
They were banned on YouTube already.
So, the way I described it before is that you've got this big island and it's cliffs all around that are slowly being knocked down and eroded.
And I've always been somewhat in the middle.
But then you see people on the right, the cliffs erode and they fall down as censorship starts wiping them out.
Those people held the line on their opinions.
I didn't have to worry about it because I'm like, I'm not going to say the things those guys are saying.
I don't agree with them.
And now the cliffs have eroded to the point where we're standing there saying, hey, children shouldn't get sex changes.
And they're like, oh, you better watch out.
We're going to ban you if you say that again.
And then it's going to come to a point where I'm like, well, I'm saying it.
Screw you.
It's really weird, isn't it?
So this is a good example on Twitter.
They said, you can't call people groomers.
Fine.
I'll call them pedophiles and I'll post all the stories I can find where Twitter protected
pedophiles because I got to wonder about the leadership at Twitter.
That's enforcing this stuff.
Vajayagade.
I mean, what's her predilection?
What is she, what is she thinking about?
What is she interested in that she would come to them and say, I don't want anyone to call
out pedophiles.
It's like, I wonder why you would do that.
zuby
It's really weird, isn't it?
It's really, it's really sinister because with stuff like stuff like this, it really
should not be.
It shouldn't be partisan.
It shouldn't be this.
It's not, it's not a political thing.
This shouldn't be some left, right issue, regardless of where you sit on the political spectrum during any remotely sane time or in any remotely sane country.
Everyone agrees.
There are certain lines you do not cross when it comes to children.
tim pool
Not anymore.
zuby
Yeah, and the fact that this is even considered political or is becoming this guy I'm like dude, what is
What what is going on? This is it's it's very worrying It's cuz I don't think it's political so much as it is just
mary morgan
them letting go of the pretense that they're a platform for free expression like these platforms like Twitter and
YouTube used to really value appearing like they allow free expression, but now
unidentified
They've kind of given up on that Yeah for sure
zuby
I'm talking outside of Facebook and Twitter though.
I'm talking as a general society in a culture, right?
so with these issues it's often framed as if this is you know, you've got these these right-wingers of these conservatives who have a problem with stuff like this and As long as you got your eyes on him.
lydia smith
He's interrupting us.
unidentified
Very rude.
tim pool
He never does this.
lydia smith
This is weird.
ian crossland
Why does he want to come in?
I thought he wasn't allowed in here.
I thought he wasn't allowed in here.
mary morgan
I mock us.
ian crossland
As long as you got your eyes on him.
zuby
Has he been grooming out there?
ian crossland
Get up there, buddy.
tim pool
Is that what you were saying?
He's been grooming.
zuby
Yeah, I was just saying that it's nutty to me that this has even become considered some
kind of partisan split.
And I think that there's this reactionary thing that does happen, though, where if there are, you know, if people on the left side of the aisle are doing something, then there's a reaction from certain people on the right to oppose it, regardless of what it is.
And the opposite, I think now that People on— Conservatives are like, wait, hang on, why are you teaching my child about this nonsense?
Why have you got grown men in women's outfits reading to children and exposing themselves or whatever?
And there are— there's a faction of people on the left side of the aisle who are like, oh, well, conservatives have an issue with this, so I now need to support it.
tim pool
I've got this— Let me— I just want to pull up this story, sorry.
This is from LGBTQ Nation.
Explaining the issue, they say Twitter enforced its ban on calling people groomers as anti-LGBTQ hate speech.
zuby
That's so wild.
tim pool
So this is, this is like a cell phone.
I mean, this is them calling themselves groomers.
It's the weirdest thing.
zuby
Yeah.
tim pool
The point I made when they announced this, first of all, the tweet I put up, I put up before they banned the word groomer.
So they're retroactively enforcing this now.
zuby
Have they officially put out a policy saying you cannot use this word?
tim pool
I don't know.
I've not seen it.
I've seen the stories about it.
But here's the thing I tweeted about.
I said, there's a creepy guy staring at kids and licking his lips and saying, hey, you groomer, you get out of here.
And then a bunch of LGBTQ people walk over and go, hey, why are you making fun of us?
And I'm like, wait, what?
ian crossland
That's what's really disturbing me.
tim pool
I wasn't talking about you guys.
ian crossland
People that groom children, like Hitler was a groomer.
He groomed children to be in the Hitler Youth.
You know, um, it doesn't have anything to do with sexuality on its face.
It's only when you can have people that are sexually grooming, but you can have people that are grooming politically, grooming ideologically, and that it's getting the Twitter people, Twitter conflating.
It is very disturbing to me.
unidentified
Yeah.
zuby
Well, that's their own.
I don't know if that's a guilty conscience or if that's bigotry on their part, because they're the ones conflating, conflating LGBTQ struggle with that acronym, um, with grooming.
tim pool
Yeah, but this is the point now.
You can't call out actual pedophiles.
They will suspend you.
So just call them pedophiles, I guess.
They said the word groomer is a slur.
It's like, I'm not trying to slur you.
I'm trying to call you what you are.
I'm not about insult.
I'm not going like, you're a dumb MF-er.
That's pointless.
mary morgan
Now I really want to know what you were quote tweeting.
tim pool
I don't remember.
I vaguely remember, and I'm pretty sure it was a picture of, like, a drag queen showing sexual stuff to children.
mary morgan
I mean, people will find any way to defend that.
And I think if we're disagreeing on something that fundamental, like, you can't show this type of thing to children, we've got, like, spiritual problems to address.
tim pool
A bunch of left-wing publications are overtly defending it.
So let me explain, just for those that haven't heard it before, what grooming is.
And I'll preface it by saying, for those that are fans who watch all of the episodes, not every person watches every segment and every podcast we do, and so I often get the same questions over and over again.
For example, a lot of people have said in the past, like, day or so, like, I'd sign up for your website if you didn't have PayPal.
And I'm like, bro, we haven't had PayPal for, like, two weeks now.
So I'll say this.
Grooming is when you take the most base form of, and we're talking about the sexual grooming of children, you take the most innocuous element of what you want to introduce to the kids so that no one can say it's overt.
So for instance, I knew a guy who got groomed into being a male prostitute.
And how they did it was, they asked him to do a modeling shoot for $200.
A legit true story.
They said, the gig is, we're doing a lifestyle photo shoot.
We want you to hang out and sit on this couch.
Relax, have a drink, we'll take a few photos.
Once we're done, 200 bucks cash.
That's innocent, isn't it?
He showed up wearing a hoodie and jeans and just took some photos.
That was grooming.
Why?
It's the long-term intent.
The next thing they did was they said, look, we already got tons of these lifestyle photos.
We need like, we need like active wear and swimwear and stuff.
Do you want to try wearing these shorts and a t-shirt?
Oh yeah, no problem.
Then they would say, sorry man, if you want the money, we don't need photos of this anymore.
We need, you know, underwear models.
Now he's an underwear model.
That was grooming.
So what happens is you take someone who's doing something adult or sexualized, introducing it to children, so a drag performance.
What is drag?
So I was actually talking about this, we were talking about this earlier, go-go dancing.
Imagine if someone was like, go-go dancer story hour.
You'd be like, what, for kids?
No way!
They get like a woman with just like a bra and panties sitting there reading to kids.
You'd be like, maybe not appropriate.
Hooters, probably not appropriate for kids either.
Drag actually involves them taking their clothes off for money.
So when you're talking about a sexualized performer, just reading a book to a kid, the reason that's grooming is the goal is to normalize the individual in drag to a child.
Then when people say, hey, wait a minute, hold on, drag is sexualized, they say, all we're doing is reading books, like exactly what they're doing now.
The difference is, this is mass scale grooming.
This is big tech and social media grooming and defending it, and I'll tell you what's really fascinating.
There was a period on YouTube, there was a big scandal.
Do you remember Elsagate?
Do you know about that?
zuby
Is this when people were like watching some video?
Maybe I'm mixing it up.
I remember there was something on YouTube where people were watching.
I don't know if it was like videos of kids doing stuff in like swimming pools.
There was something.
I can't explain it well.
There was something.
unidentified
On YouTube you mean?
zuby
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know Alcagate?
mary morgan
Vaguely, yeah.
tim pool
So Elsagate was when all of these channels started making videos of Elsa, the Joker, and Spider-Man running around, and the Incredible Hulk.
Okay.
And there was like no dialogue, and it was because little kids, their parents would turn the video on, and then it would just generate a ton of ad revenue for the person.
So all of a sudden people started making these videos because it made money, and it was getting increasingly creepy.
Eventually it ended with Elsagate got to the point where Elsa was pregnant, and the Joker was injecting her with things.
No joke.
This turned into videos where people literally were giving children shots because it was generating clicks for whatever reason the algorithm was promoting it.
And then, when people realized they could use an AI to auto-generate these videos, you ended up with videos of toddlers drinking urine.
And other overtly.
So this was a huge scandal where content for children was showing gore, violence, and overtly sexual activities.
YouTube panicked and had to start purging these channels and these videos to get rid of all of it.
So now the clever thing happened among the groomers.
They said, so long as you're doing these things overtly, they'll shut you down.
What you need is a shield.
So we started to see the LGBTP movement when pedophiles started saying LGBTP.
We then saw a TED talk from a woman who claimed that pedos were just expressing a natural orientation.
Then we saw USA Today write a similar article.
Then we saw, I think it was, maybe it was Salon and a bunch of magazines.
Yeah, it was Salon.
lydia smith
It was Salon.
tim pool
New York Times, I think, did it.
Where they started saying, hey, hey, it's just an orientation.
Trying to normalize this stuff.
mary morgan
They're maps.
Minor attracted people.
tim pool
Right, and then maps popped up on Twitter.
Twitter allows that overtly and people called him out.
Twitter doesn't care.
They still allow it.
Now, Twitter will actively ban you if you call out the pedophiles going after children.
mary morgan
Not only that, there's like a huge amount of not safe for work content on Twitter.
I understand that that's part of their TOS that they allow that, but they also have a lot of accounts that openly say in their bio that they are underage or their age.
As low as like 12, 13, 14 year olds having these not safe for work accounts on Twitter.
And they allow it.
tim pool
There's another big issue that's happening too with the VR chat stuff, where 13 year olds will be in these VR chat rooms with grown adults and the adults, it's unsupervised.
I mean, this is getting out of control, man.
zuby
Yeah, this is crazy.
I mean, This leads to a wider conversation just about some of the, some of the, some of the challenges with, with technology just in general.
I think, I think people often forget just how new this all is that the smartphone and social media combo we've only had for 15 years.
We've had the internet for longer than that, but with all the greatness and wonderful opportunities it brings for decent people and entrepreneurs and creatives and so on.
It also opens up this Pandora's box of just completely new, like what you described with that Elsagate thing.
tim pool
Yeah.
zuby
I mean, that just, yeah, it's so bizarre and weird.
It's not something you think of when you're starting YouTube, you're not there thinking like, Oh, okay.
This is something we need to be careful of.
mary morgan
It wasn't just videos of people either.
There were, like, animated cartoons that were made by A.I.s that just generated whatever got the most clicks and then that ended up, of course, being, like, the most effed up.
unidentified
Yeah, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, sexual stuff, violent stuff.
zuby
Yeah, like I'm pretty into technology.
And I did not know that such an AI even exists, that you can create automated animated videos.
mary morgan
Yeah, using like characters from Disney and stuff.
So they know that kids are going to click on it.
zuby
Yeah, it's scary.
And then you bring in VR.
tim pool
It wasn't about clicking on it.
What happens is Or autoplay.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
So parents would give their toddlers or babies a tablet and then turn on nursery rhymes.
And then the algorithm would just bring those kids down a rabbit hole.
Yo, those kids are going to grow up and be twisted.
zuby
So the parents just like come into the room and they just see their child watching some wild stuff.
tim pool
All the comments were gibberish because the babies were just hitting the thing randomly?
mary morgan
A lot of people thought that some of those gibberish comments were speaking in some kind of code that was like coordinating human trafficking.
tim pool
I don't know about that.
unidentified
Maybe.
zuby
Honestly, these things, like, that's the one line for me where, I mean, I think any adult should be like this, but when it comes to people just messing with kids in general, that's just where, like... Dude, it's been said numerous times.
mary morgan
Like, why is that partisan?
zuby
You know, because... Think about that, like... It shouldn't be.
It should be instinctual.
That's when, like, I feel... But it's becoming partisan.
tim pool
Have you noticed that many of these people, these leftists, use cartoon child avatars?
zuby
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
zuby
Yeah, I had a bunch of them after me today, in fact.
tim pool
They don't make, like, they don't view themselves as adults.
I mean, think about the word adulting, to imply that you're doing something not normal.
Yo, the word adulting implies, like, the actual word means doing normal things humans do.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm adulting.
tim pool
What is what children are send it out a lessons?
Yeah, right And so now you've got people go on Twitter and they post
these pictures of themselves these fictionalized versions it was a really funny meme a while ago from a
particular feminist podcast and they made this graphic of themselves and they were all like
dainty young looking women and then Someone made a realistic version of what they actually
looked like like double chin and obese and things like that people use the internet to project what they wish they were
the crazy thing is I And you probably know this better than anybody, Zuby.
People could just be what they want to be through hard work, right?
If you want to be thin and small, you just do it.
Not everybody can be a giraffe, though, and some people want to be a giraffe, and so I don't have to tell you, man.
Just pray the Matrix and Neuralink can take you into that reality where you can be a giraffe, but for the time being... Yeah.
zuby
Do you think that maybe some people have this kind of Michael Jackson syndrome where, like, in their childhood, Perhaps they didn't get to play outside and have toys and do all the things that they kind of wanted to and now as an adult they're trying to play this now.
I don't know, it's just an idea.
ian crossland
Adderall is messing kids' childhoods up.
They're not being able to enjoy them properly.
tim pool
I think that's definitely screwing kids up and all the drugs, but I think what's happening is the internet and media has created these parallel realities that children live in.
So I often think about, you know, how is it that somebody wants to dress up like a cartoon rabbit?
Like furries.
Furries is freaking weird, man.
Hey, look, do what you want to do.
I got no beef.
zuby
No, it's not beef, but it's freaking weird.
We can say stuff is weird.
I'm not saying it should be illegal.
It's just weird.
tim pool
I'm just wondering where it comes from.
How is it that someone identifies as a cartoon animal?
So the first thing that happened was when I first heard about furries, someone told me it's people who just dress up like animals.
And I was like, oh, I guess people want to be animals.
And then I actually saw what they were doing and I'm like, no, those are Looney Tunes.
They're dressing up like Bugs Bunny with big eyes and cartoon faces.
So what I think happened was people grew up watching anthropomorphized animals.
And a child's brain is trying to connect itself to reality.
So, in early human development, human tribes, the baby watches the adults do adult stuff, and then says, this is what I should be doing, and then wires itself to identify alongside what their adults are.
The man is chopping wood, the woman is, you know, raising the kids and gathering, the men come back with the bears and the boars and the meat.
Then you do the modern era, where kids are now put in front of the TV where they watch nothing but Looney Tunes.
Their brain says, this is adult life.
These are what human adults do.
And so their brain creates an identity around anthropomorphized cartoon animals.
Then when they're older, they want to be that.
I think this is why we're seeing the explosion of identity crisis from, you guys know what Otherkin is?
zuby
Yes, I do.
mary morgan
Unfortunately.
tim pool
People think they're like, I'm an owl wolf.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Why?
No, no, for real, like, legitimate question, like, where does that identity crisis come from?
zuby
But isn't it, but we've had anthropomorphized, that's one word I always struggle to get out.
tim pool
Anthropomorphism.
zuby
Anthropomorphism.
Yeah, we've had that for, that's existed for a long time though.
ian crossland
Native American culture, people would become wolves and things like that.
mary morgan
Not the way we're doing it now.
zuby
And also, didn't we all also grow up with this and none of us are?
tim pool
So for one, no, we didn't always have this.
We had the concept of humanized or anthropomorphized animals in like written literature told to you in a story from a person's mouth.
zuby
But we had the cartoons.
I mean, Looney Tunes and all the Disney stuff.
tim pool
So perhaps the issue is one, some people are more susceptible and two, maybe some of these people were placed in front of these shows for extended periods of time and their parents were less attentive.
ian crossland
On like a mood stabilizer.
A lot of it's pharmaceutical.
And then kids are seeing porn.
Average age is 11 that kids are being exposed to porn.
zuby
That's another tech thing, isn't it?
tim pool
Groomers.
zuby
I mean, that's another tech.
That's another technology problem, man.
I mean, it's all a tech problem.
Yeah.
I mean, well, hold on 20 years ago.
I mean, if you wanted to, if you wanted to access porn as a horny little 12 year old or 13 year old, You could do it, but the barrier was a lot higher.
You'd have to get an older person to go in and buy a magazine off the top shelf or someone's got a little DVD or something like that.
Not just you tap a site on a phone or a tablet or a computer and just boom, no verification, nothing.
It's just there.
tim pool
Bill Maher asked the question.
He said either we're creating them or we're shaming them.
Why is it that California has so many trans kids, Ohio doesn't?
There's clearly that something affects the identity of a young person as they're growing up.
zuby
It's the parents.
tim pool
I think it's everything.
zuby
It's parents and society.
Social media is a factor.
Some of these teachers, obviously, are doing this.
But a lot of parents are... To me, it's like having a vegan cat.
If you've got a vegan cat, it's not the cat making the decisions.
tim pool
The cat will die.
Cats can't be vegan.
zuby
It's not the cat making the decisions.
It's like, no, you're pushing your ideology onto your cat.
If you have a trans three-year-old, and I feel gross even saying that, Dude, this stuff is evil, man.
tim pool
And there's something really satanic going on in the West right now, man.
zuby
kids can do transit to this stuff is evil man and there's something really satanic going on in the
west right now man like i can't really put it any light why do you say satanic i say satanic
because i genuinely think there are evil forces out there and i'm talking about actual spiritual
realm um and And to someone who is a absolute atheist and non-believer or thinks nothing is supernatural, that might sound weird to them.
But I think that we've legit got like a demonic issue.
mary morgan
And it makes sense that they would go for children first.
zuby
Yeah, I think there's an entire inversion agenda that's been running very aggressively for the past several years.
tim pool
I think there's a practical reason for a lot of this.
We've talked about Thucydides' trap on the show quite a bit.
Are you familiar with the concept?
zuby
I'm not.
No, explain it.
tim pool
Whenever a rising economic power is on the verge of supplanting the dominant power, war breaks out.
I say whenever, but it's a tendency toward.
So historians often say the last 16 examples of an economic power supplanting the greater, 12 instances led to war.
So the idea is, why is it that, I don't know, Joe Biden is doing these deals and flying to China and working these deals with China.
China is expected to overtake the United States very soon.
It was delayed because of COVID.
Interesting.
Interesting about that.
It was delayed because of COVID.
zuby
You mean the overtake?
tim pool
The overtake.
China... I'm sorry, actually, it might have been sped up by it.
zuby
Oh, I thought it would have been sped up, because China continued to grow in the U.S.
tim pool
Right, I think it was sped up by it.
But think about what this means.
The U.S.
is eroding from within.
You've got the January 6th Committee, for instance, actively trying.
So Eric Swalwell was asked about this.
He was asked about, you know, isn't what he's doing causing more division?
And he said something that was like just inane, like, well, we have to do it or something like that.
So yeah, when they lie and escalate, Jussie Smollett, Russiagate, Ukrainegate, all of that stuff, just lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.
They are in flaming tensions.
When they go after kids and divert them, or should I say, subvert their development, and then cause identity crises, give them drugs, destroying the next generation, is going to cripple the United States.
And I have to wonder, Not saying it's intentional, but it is fortuitous for those who fear Thucydides' trap, because the U.S.
is falling as fast as China's rising.
China may actually take over the world, the global economy, without the U.S.
ever having an opportunity to engage in war.
So if you think about the Council on Foreign Relations, I think it was, they have on their website the liberal world order and why it was created.
Anybody who's arguing for the creation of a new world order in the wake of the liberal world order, and I don't mean the new world order conspiracy, I mean the literal term, a world order and a new version of it, it would be beneficial to avoid a third world war with China.
How would you do that?
So where is this coming from?
Is this internal?
and the upcoming generation to make sure that they can't ever actually engage in conflict.
There's a story I saw recently where there was like a destroyer that had like three captains
rotate in and out so quickly because they were being fired and demoted. The U.S. military can't
zuby
recruit at all anymore. So where is this coming from? No idea. But I will say... Is this internal?
Is this external manipulation? Both maybe. That's the thing I find so weird.
It's like this social and cultural domestic Harry Curie, right?
It's so odd to me.
I mean, the UK is doing the same things.
Many Western countries are.
I think the US is kind of sadly leading the charge in this and exporting a lot of bad ideas.
There's really a lot of people have noticed that in the past, I want to say seven to eight years in particular, a lot of this is the inversion has really, really accelerated.
And so much of the stuff that we talk about and all of the, so many of these issues are things that it would literally as recently as a decade ago, it would have seemed completely absurd for them to even be debates or conversations.
And there's something real, really, really weird going on.
tim pool
I do want to point out just a quick shout out to Joe Spinella on the super chat who mentioned, surely you haven't seen the tanks protecting Chinese banks because Chinese economy is like imploding.
True point, fair point, fair point.
I'm not saying that China is coming out unscathed.
It may be a global economic collapse.
The whole system is just imploding for whatever reason.
ian crossland
You start with the Trans-Pacific Partnership in 2010.
That was the first warning sign for me Barack Obama signed on and it gave.
There's this thing called the Investor State Dispute Settlement Clause in the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal that would have given Malaysian oil corporations the power to sue the United States government and the taxpayers would have to pay the bill if they thought that Americans were discriminating against their oil companies and didn't want to buy their oil.
then they could sue us. And it was giving corporations insane power over American citizens.
And Obama was on it. He like he didn't know or he didn't care.
tim pool
And Trump shut it down.
ian crossland
Trump shut it down like the third day was an office or the second day was an office.
But that they were trying to do that is very overtly transferring power from
the citizen American democracy, republicanism to corporatism.
zuby
Yeah, dude, look at the last two and a half years. Like seriously.
I mean, how of all these countries in a very coordinated fashion?
I mean, it's one thing if one country goes nuts, but it's literally been UK, Canada, every country in Western Europe pretty much, except Sweden, USA, New Zealand.
tim pool
Hold on.
What was it, World War I?
You had the three countries, they were cousins with each other?
It was like France, who was it, Germany, and who else or something like that?
ian crossland
Germany, Austria, I don't know.
tim pool
I don't remember.
Um, but it was like these three leaders are going to war with each other.
We're cousins.
It's like, they're all related to each other.
That's just that I'm not surprised by any of that powerful.
zuby
I think we were witnessing a controlled demolition, man.
tim pool
You think they're intentionally destroying the economy and.
zuby
Dude, everything that people are freaking out with right now with the economy, supply chains, inflation... I'm not saying you're wrong.
It was all completely predictable and predicted by myself and other so-called conspiracy theorists, like, when all this stuff started.
It was very predictable and very obvious.
tim pool
I got evidence for you.
We'll call it circumstantial evidence and we'll call it logic.
So Ukraine-Russia war, right?
Invasion of Ukraine.
Fertilizer from Russia not getting exported.
U.S.
is in trouble.
Ukraine and Russia neither are exporting enough wheat.
They can't produce any.
There's a war going on.
They can't produce as much.
Global famine.
You've heard him talk about it.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, okay.
Then why in Europe are they telling farmers in Ireland and the Netherlands to stop farming?
zuby
And the UK.
tim pool
And the UK.
Why are they telling these farmers, these countries, stop farming right now?
zuby
Controlled demolition.
tim pool
But hold on.
The same people who are telling us that there is going to be a global famine are also telling their farmers to stop farming.
That's very strange, isn't it?
I mean, they're saying, famine's coming, you better stop farming or else.
It's like, okay, do you want people to, like, run out of food?
zuby
Yeah, it's weird.
I mean, the thing is, and it's impossible to not be a quote-unquote conspiracy theorist these days after the past several years if you are just interested in thinking, but they've created this, right?
If people Who are in power or people in corporate media and so on, so-called public health officials and the experts which we keep hearing about, if they refuse to be honest and they just continue to lie and to gaslight and to shift goalposts for years and years and years on end, like every single day, they're just lying to people, then naturally you are going to have people trying to work out, wait, what is going on?
This narrative is not making sense.
This is not logical, this is not rational, this is not based in science, it's not based in economics, nothing.
What is going on?
It makes people wonder.
tim pool
Can we stop it?
zuby
I think people always ultimately have the power.
ian crossland
We can resist the starvation by growing local food.
tim pool
Well, that's what I'm getting to.
My question is, if we are in a controlled demolition, do you think it's possible that people reverse course and stop this?
zuby
Yes, it's always possible.
I don't think this is the first time being here in history.
tim pool
By voting for Trump is what you're saying.
zuby
Mega.
Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think that this is the first or even close to the worst thing that humanity has faced on any level.
I think it's important to always maintain a sense of gratitude and perspective, both historically and geographically.
And I think there's a lot of real stuff to be very, very concerned about.
But in terms of my optimism, I mean, you look at history and, man, there's countless examples of very, very dark times where I'm sure people in certain countries or across just thought, you know what?
This is a wrap.
This is the end.
Like, this is a freaking nightmare.
And people have always come out on the end of it.
Thus far, right?
Our species is still going.
There's more of us than ever before.
So I think one thing that people often forget, though, is that history is not finished.
It never is.
No, we're living through the history of the future, right?
I'm sure if you go back to 1910s and you talk to people in Europe or in America or whatever, I'm pretty sure they thought that they were very advanced and they were past all the war and the chaos and the famine and the genocides.
You know, we're cool, we're advanced, we're smart, we're moral, we're decent people.
And then boom, World War I, boom, World War II, right?
That would not have been remotely predictable.
tim pool
Well, what's happening now?
They say that there's overpopulation, climate change from too much pollution.
I say, okay.
They say we gotta have late-term abortions.
Then they say we also gotta give drugs to children that will sterilize them.
And I'm like, the end result of that is just the left.
Conservatives aren't engaging in that for the most part.
They'll be brought down by it to a certain degree, but not completely.
And so I wonder about this.
The end result The strong survive.
If there's an artificial flood or a natural flood, whatever you want to call it, some emergency, be it an economic crisis, an environmental crisis, or a cultural crisis, in the end, the strong survive.
ian crossland
Well, it's the adaptable that survive.
The strong may starve.
zuby
It's also the people who show up for it.
The future will go to those who show up for it.
tim pool
So if I'm sitting here saying to everybody who's watching this show, and you are as well, like, hey, it feels like there's a collapse happening and it may be on purpose.
The best case, the best evidence, in my opinion, is that they're claiming a global famine is coming while telling farmers to stop farming.
That's indicative of they're intentionally trying to starve people.
So my point is, if you hear that, You had two years advance notice watching my show, if you haven't for that long, to, I don't know, move out of the cities, get a small piece of land where you can grow enough food for your family, or to buy emergency food and start preparing for what may be coming.
But I'll stress it again.
When the powers that be scream in your face for two years, a food shortage is coming, then you actively see them shooting!
A cop shot a live bullet at farmers!
Because they want them to stop farming.
It's like, okay, that in the Netherlands, like they're willing to kill these farmers to shut down their protest.
Yo, they're telling you they are not going to let you have food.
I think maybe you should plan for that.
ian crossland
It may be like a misdirected intention.
Like I'm keeping about Mao's Great Leap Forward in the communist Chinese revolution of what is the 1960s.
And he moved all these farmers off the farms and then gave, like, all these people from the cities, he moved them out to the farms.
Like, now you're in the farm.
But they didn't know how to farm, so a bunch of people starved.
Maybe it was intentional.
I don't know.
zuby
Stalin did the same.
ian crossland
Yeah, you starve the resistance and then you have less resistance.
So...
If they think there's an overpopulation issue and they want a slower growth of population, what would be a good way to do that?
mary morgan
Not a slower growth.
They want a depletion of it.
And the people who are imposing this so-called controlled demolition are certainly going to survive the Famine, civil unrest, whatever happens, and then the so-called, like, strong of, you know, maybe people watching this show who do what the things that you just listed are also going to survive it, then what happens?
tim pool
MAGA people are the future?
Is that it?
ian crossland
I don't, I don't think anyone's overtly said they want less people.
People keep saying they want to slow the growth.
mary morgan
Of course I wouldn't overtly say that.
That's not true.
tim pool
Bill Gates wrote an article about it saying that There is way too many poor people being born in Africa, and that's what we gotta stop.
zuby
There's a lot of antinatalism, and it's not new.
Antinatalism has been running for decades.
tim pool
To your point about the strong surviving, when there's no food, it's the people in cities who suffer.
The people who live out in the countryside, like, yo, you drive up the mountain, everyone has chickens.
Like, to them it's- and people who are listening to this who live in the country know exactly what this is better than I do because they've been doing it their whole lives.
It's like, you wake up in the morning and get eggs from the chicken.
It's no big deal.
Growing up in the city, you go to the supermarket to get your bleached eggs.
Now, if there's a food shortage, the people who have their own chickens don't gotta worry about it.
Y'all, you're gonna be eating cockroaches and bugs and crickets?
I got like 30-40 chickens out there.
zuby
Oh, they're pushing the insects hard.
tim pool
The chickens are going to eat the crickets, and I'm going to eat the chickens.
ian crossland
That's the way to go.
But chickens smell, and they pollute the environment, so not everyone can have them, unfortunately.
tim pool
No, no, chickens, when they poop, we don't do it properly, because we are still living in this luxury.
What you do is, Thomas Massey, man, that guy's a genius.
He has something called the Clux Capacitor.
It's a solar capacitor that charges up and then releases a charge pulling a chicken coop about an inch.
So all day, the chicken's coop moves and the chickens poop in the grass.
And he said, the trail of grass behind the chicken coop is lush and fertile because the chickens are actively eating the bugs in the grass and then fertilizing the soil.
So it's a perfect cycle.
Brilliant.
What'd you do in the chicken's poop?
We've got these big mounds because we did construction, and it's crazy how big and tall the wild shrubbery and grass have grown on it because it was just a huge pile of chicken crap.
ian crossland
It is impressive.
I looked up at it and saw it for the first time.
tim pool
What happened?
ian crossland
That was wild.
tim pool
Yeah, well, it was two big mounds of chicken crap.
And it's like, I think what happens is the nitrogen escaped from it, and then it's fertile, and then the plants just go nuts.
ian crossland
I'm with you, Zuby.
I think all you guys actually kind of been touching on this, that if they want a slower population growth or less people, one of the two, and they want less carbon in the atmosphere, that they want, we're running out of food, but they want the farmers to stop farming.
It feels like they want to starve a segment of the population to propel, and these people that want it must be insulated from that in some way.
mary morgan
I think it's because they know that not the entire globe can enjoy the first world luxuries that a lot of us enjoy and now their version of preparing for that prospect as the population grows is to, by any means necessary, deplete the population and then hoard the resources for themselves.
ian crossland
And no one, I don't think anyone knew Stalin was trying to kill his population until after it happened, or Mao until after it happened.
Like, you don't know when it's coming, otherwise you'd stop it.
You prevent it.
tim pool
Exactly.
This is what people don't understand.
zuby
But people also are really bad at stopping things.
tim pool
They're good at running and hiding.
ian crossland
The river flows in one direction.
zuby
People are really, again, um, I hate to keep referring back to the past two and a half years we've just lived through, but I can't think of a more blatant and in your face example of people not stopping things when there's a clear and simple opportunity.
ian crossland
Because tribalism, I think people have a natural tendency towards resistance.
We have sports because they want to fight against something.
zuby
I think it's also just fear.
mary morgan
With the last two years, there's such an easy way to resist.
zuby
And people didn't do it.
mary morgan
They still aren't doing it.
tim pool
Ian makes a good point, though.
When I was younger, I used to complain that people cared about sports more than politics.
And I didn't understand why we have these stories about Bush and the invasion of Iraq, and then you get Obama, and I'm like, I wish people cared more about this than, say, the Packers or whatever.
And now I'm understanding exactly why it was good that we had sports.
People don't care or want to understand.
They want tribal conflict.
And so while they're saying, I choose, because no one forces you to do this, they say, I'd rather watch the baseball game and argue with my friends about who's better at baseball.
And then I say, well, I care a whole lot about the conflict, so I'm going to pay attention to that.
It actually works out really well that the people who aren't smart enough or don't want to engage in worldly affairs choose not to, so they're not voting for evil people or being susceptible to demagogues.
But once politics became pop culture, now you have people being sucked into the demagoguery of the Democrats or, you know, they argue Donald Trump.
But it's the Democrats that are funding Trump-supported candidates while claiming they're the apocalypse.
So this is what the Democrats have done.
I saw this montage.
It was horrifying.
Where all of the cable news outlets are talking about the January 6 hearings as a season of shows with a season finale.
They have made it entertainment to escalate political conflict.
To me, like you were saying, Zuby, it sounds like they're doing it on purpose to cause political conflict.
I wrote for Newsweek when Raskin included me in his evidence that this is the goal.
To drive a wedge, to create escalation.
Let's jump to this next story so we can call out Joe Biden a little bit.
We got this from The Hill.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
Biden says, quote, God willing, I don't think we're going to see a recession.
Really?
ian crossland
God willing, I don't think.
tim pool
I don't think.
We'll just put dots after that.
So the Biden administration, it was Yellen, said, well, they're all coming out and saying this, a recession is normally two consecutive periods with negative growth.
unidentified
Talking However, that's not really what a recession is.
tim pool
So we're not really in a recession, even if that is the case.
So Thursday, we're going to find out if it's an official recession, which we all know it is.
And that's why they preempted this by saying, uh, despite the official definition of a recession, that's not a recession.
And moving forward, we won't see one.
mary morgan
This is trying to reduce panic.
This is just like at the beginning of COVID when they were telling us not to buy masks.
It's all about lying because they don't believe in the goodwill of people.
tim pool
I tell people listening this.
We can do what we can do.
We can speak up.
We can try and provide information to people.
We always got to be calm, reasonable, and rational.
And then when those people don't want to listen, there's only so much you can do.
You can bring a horse to Harvard, but you can't make him learn.
However, you can go to a store and buy beans that will last you for a few years.
You can stock up on emergency water, emergency food.
You can get out of cities.
Now some people tell me, Yo, I can't afford to leave the city.
Totally get it.
Totally understand.
It's not easy.
I'm sorry.
I don't have answers for everybody.
I will tell you that there may come a time where things get so bad in cities, and I say may come a time, I don't know, where you're like, it is preferable to just start walking.
To leave everything behind, strap on my shoes and walk out of that city.
If say like the water system fails or something like that.
I'm not saying it will.
I'm saying for the time being, if you can't afford to leave the city, it basically means that the way you live in the city is a better standard for you than just being homeless and wandering through the woods.
That I understand.
Times may come though, so do what you can is my point.
zuby
Guys, make sure you have passports.
I know a lot of Americans don't have passports.
If you don't have a passport, please get one.
tim pool
But do you know why they don't?
zuby
Because they never leave.
tim pool
But do you know why they don't leave?
zuby
It's a big country.
It's a big country.
tim pool
The United States is about as big as Europe is.
ian crossland
And it's quite xenophobic.
People are told, at least I was growing up, that the outside world is very dangerous.
The outside world.
Outside of the United States, you might get attacked on the street.
And you know, there's some truth to it.
You go to South America, the cops are bribed.
You know, you got to be careful where you walk.
zuby
The USA is more dangerous than a lot of countries.
ian crossland
New York City's?
It's a jungle.
It's a mechanical jungle.
zuby
It's always funny because you guys know I grew up in the Middle East, I grew up in Saudi Arabia, and it's very funny how people have this idea of that being some super dangerous place.
I'm like, bro, it's safer than literally everywhere in the USA.
tim pool
Let me tell you the problem with these big cities.
Let's say you have a chicken, and that chicken takes a dump right in the middle of your yard.
You don't think twice.
You don't care.
The rain comes a day later, that poop is long gone.
What happens if 20 tons of chicken crap plopped right in the middle of your yard?
ian crossland
It's a lot of bacteria.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Rain's not going to wash that away.
It's going to be months and it's still going to be there.
It's going to be festering.
That's a city.
So I've argued with Michael Maus, for instance, about overpopulation and climate change.
I think it's a problem.
And then ultimately we come to the agreement, well, population density in cities is a problem.
zuby
Sure.
tim pool
Agreed.
These cities are bad.
What do we do to get people to stop being in cities?
I mean, for one, the cities are struggling to maintain themselves.
But also, when all of these humans, when you get like 10 million humans in one area all taking a dump at the same time, that goes into one place.
The rain and the water can't wash it away.
You spread those people out over a few hundred square miles, and now the rain can deal with that, and the earth can, you know, rebalance everything.
ian crossland
What I don't get is, I'm looking at the World Economic Forum website, weforum.org, I think that's it, but the world's megacities, they want to build megacities by 2030.
zuby
Of course they do.
ian crossland
I don't understand this logic, because if they're centralized, dangerous, starvation vulnerabilities, why would they try and make more of it?
zuby
You just explained it.
ian crossland
Like they want to control people's food?
zuby
These are not good people, bro.
You're thinking under the... See, this is the problem that normal, decent, kind, and compassionate people have.
It's really hard to understand someone willfully doing something that is cruel or harmful to others.
You can't get your head around it because you're always trying to think, well, they must mean well.
And there are people who don't.
There are people who don't, right?
There are people who do not care about human beings and do not care about humanity and they're not good people.
So you can't view them through this lens of them wanting to help you.
tim pool
I'll give you a good example.
Adam Kinzinger.
I think he's the perfect example of he doesn't care about people.
zuby
Who's that?
I'm not sure I'm familiar.
tim pool
He's a Republican on the January 6th committee.
zuby
Okay.
tim pool
And he's going off and off about Trump and how the Republicans are bad and all that stuff.
But this guy's not running for re-election.
All he's doing is setting fire to the house as he leaves.
He could say, look, clearly this is not for me.
Clearly what's happening in this country is a problem.
I'm out.
I'm leaving right now.
Instead he says, I'm not going to run for re-election, but I am going to inflame tensions to the most extreme degree possible, starting fires before I go.
zuby
Yeah.
tim pool
There's no reason to do that.
zuby
It's a real thing.
I mean, dude, you see this on a small scale on social media every day, right?
There are people on there.
Fortunately, you know, they don't have like giant followings or a lot of influence and power, but they're purely, they're purely destructive, right?
It's purely destructive and malicious energy.
There's nothing positive that they're doing.
They're literally just, they're trying to hurt people, trying to bully people, trying to attack people.
And they're doing it day in, day out, right?
Now you take someone with that type of psychology and you actually put them in a position of power and influence.
Like, what are they going to do?
Again, we've seen this in history.
And there are people like that who exist.
It's a very, very tiny, minute fragment of the population.
But there are 8 billion people in this world.
tim pool
Perhaps.
zuby
So there are millions and millions of people.
Yeah.
tim pool
Trolls.
Perhaps an emergent phenomenon.
ian crossland
You think troll will ever become taboo to say online?
tim pool
Right.
Perhaps it's an emergent phenomenon that when meritocratic individuals create a safe and secure society, it protects individuals who normally would not survive.
Those people who can't survive, who use words like adulting because they can't live on their own without someone like... Better adulting.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Like, well, you might have to fight a bear for food one day or something.
These people can't survive.
You end up with a large portion of anti-meritocratic individuals who don't make systems work, they vote against the interests of those who do, and the system flips over.
The boat collapses, the strong of course climb up, learn to swim and survive, and all of those weak people get... gulag'd or whatever.
ian crossland
It's the adaptable.
It's the ones that get capsized and figure out how to get to shore to rebuild society again that are the ones that survive it.
And the strongest may just go down because they don't think quick enough.
They're so used to their own system that they've created and they're very good at it that when the system capsizes, they don't understand Right, but that's basically what it means.
tim pool
It doesn't mean a guy who can lift 50 pounds.
It literally means those who are capable, intelligent, and understand are likely to perceive threats, plan ahead effectively, and survive.
ian crossland
It's a Darwin quote.
It's not the strongest of the species that will survive, but the ones that are most adaptable to change.
tim pool
Right.
So basically, that's the general concept.
When a crisis is happening, who's most adaptable to change?
Well, first and foremost, the people paying attention who are watching it come.
ian crossland
And that aren't connected to any one ideology.
tim pool
Let's say there's a bunch of people in a tribe on an island.
And half of them have been noticing something weird happening on the shoreline.
They're paying attention and the other people are like, we don't care.
We don't care.
Nothing's going to happen.
Well, the people who are, who noticed the change are the ones who are more adaptable.
And then they go, we're going to go climb that hill real quick.
And then the tsunami comes and everyone else gets wiped away.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
People that are like, God will save me.
Like, get that out of your mind right now.
You save yourself.
tim pool
Perhaps.
mary morgan
I mean, I disagree with that framing of it.
No one, at least I hope, no one thinks that like, I don't know, if they're on the street and they get mugged, that Jesus is going to come save them from getting mugged.
I don't think they think that.
ian crossland
They're talking about their spiritual lives, not their physical I know it's comforting to think that there's a being that's protecting you, but it's not.
You've got to protect yourself in this harsh reality.
mary morgan
I mean, they're talking about spiritual protection, not, like, famine won't happen because Jesus will save us from famine.
ian crossland
If I pray enough, it's not going to not happen.
mary morgan
No one thinks that.
zuby
No one thinks like that.
ian crossland
I hope so.
It's the harsh ideology.
mary morgan
Suffering is like the cornerstone of the Christian faith.
ian crossland
Buddhism too.
tim pool
Some people certainly believe it.
There are people who believe that God is a man in the clouds, like sitting there watching everybody.
ian crossland
That's just one ideology.
Don't think the government's going to save you.
Don't think God's going to save you.
Don't think your neighbor's going to save you.
You have to protect yourself and your interests.
tim pool
What's the saying?
God helps those who help themselves.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's true.
tim pool
There's another saying, chance favors the prepared.
You can call it any way you want it.
If you are not doing what you have to do to be prepared for what might be happening, well then, what's going to happen?
zuby
I think, you know, options are always good.
And I think that something that people should really know by now is to just have options, right?
Have options in terms of places you can live, ways you can earn money, things you can do.
Don't be so... I don't know, like maybe because of how I've grown up and the fact that I travel so much, I've got I know I have a different view than most people, but I think that you were talking about the big cities, and I think that something that really happens, of course, is just inertia, right?
Like it's hard to, if you're used to a place, especially if you've grown up somewhere and you live there and your friends and families are there and it's what you know.
It's hard to up and move.
I understand that.
It can be difficult emotionally.
It can be financially.
You might have a job or a career.
I'm not saying that it's just super duper easy for everybody, but I think that seeing where just the level of uncertainty in so much of this stuff It is wise to just bear that in mind and take take steps don't just sit there and say oh you know the the end is coming the end it's like okay take take some steps if you haven't already been doing it over the past few years take some steps so that if stuff does hit the fan or you are getting very uncomfortable or
Whatever it is, you've got options.
Having options is always wise.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story from Fox 4.
Do you know what a country is defined as?
Anybody know what a country is defined as?
A country?
air travel. So I decided to research some basic definitions.
Do you know what a country is defined as? Anybody know what a country is defined as? A
zuby
country? Yes. How do you define the word I can give what I think is a definition.
It might not match up exactly.
Let's hear it.
I would say an area or region with some degree of jurisdiction over it and has to have a border.
tim pool
The region has jurisdiction?
It's like a rock monster owns the land that it is?
zuby
Well, yeah, I would say, okay, a piece of land or a region with a border, it's got some geographical... And you need one more component.
...capacity, and then some type of governance structure.
tim pool
People.
zuby
People.
tim pool
A country is defined as a nation with set borders.
Okay, and a nation is a group of people with a shared history and set of laws history culture or set of laws
Okay, so when you combine that you have nation and country, they're not the same thing. The United States is a country
It is a nation with borders So when we have a wave of mil a million plus illegal
immigrants entering the country Then you have no country if the borders can't be enforced
lydia smith
so the Latin for country is against or opposite and And then the other part of it from the medieval Latin is
against a lying opposite lance.
So you're literally in opposition to the other land that is close to you.
tim pool
So when you have a million people under the borders and there's nothing being done about it, when you have the government facilitating the trafficking of children, which the Biden administration has been doing in the dead of night secretly, There's no borders.
You have no country.
Now, about that nation.
Yes, a shared history.
Well, you don't have a shared history with people coming from other nations entering in violation of your laws.
So there's no shared history, and there's no shared laws, and there's no shared culture.
There is no nation.
There is no country.
Giving ID cards to illegal immigrants that could be used for air travel?
This is just creating open citizenship.
zuby
Why do you think they're doing this?
tim pool
It's destroying the United States.
zuby
They're actively destroying the United States.
To me, this is the controlled demolition again, because it's like, well, why would you do that?
tim pool
Let me simplify real quick for everybody at home.
Zuby, let's say you have a big granary.
Let's say you have a big storage facility full of food.
And your guards open the doors and say, everybody come on in!
And you're like, but that's where I keep all my stuff.
And they're like, bigot.
So, uh, look, this country is wealthy, but you can't just have an endless flow of people coming in.
Even Bernie Sanders said the exact same thing at a rally in 2015.
He said, you know, heavens, if we open the borders, we'd be flooded by the world's poor.
We can't do that.
Yeah.
Back when Bernie cared about the working class, I guess.
ian crossland
I think that people believe that the avalanche only flows one direction, and so they're just getting on board.
They're trying to surf the wave.
They're like, nationalism is done, globalism is now, one earthen country, and let's just do it.
Not possible.
Yeah.
It's going to be abrupt, and a lot of people will get hurt in the process, but like a world government?
Duh.
People definitely seem to want that.
I'm gonna call it the liberal international economy, by the way.
That's L-I-E from here on out.
tim pool
Yeah, I love it.
ian crossland
It's the lie.
tim pool
So, when you go to Egypt, for instance, Egyptians aren't allowed to gamble or eat pork.
Like, by government law.
So how are we supposed to have a one world government when it's like, we're going to get a big shipment of pork in for our bacon, and then a bunch of other countries are like, no, no, no.
Our tax dollars can't go to that.
You're not allowed to do that.
mary morgan
That's essentially what they're trying to do, making entertainment into something global.
tim pool
Yeah, it doesn't work.
zuby
There's not even a common language.
Like you can't even communicate properly with most people in the world.
tim pool
Let me tell you guys, you ever see the Just For Laugh gags?
mary morgan
No.
ian crossland
Oh, I think so.
tim pool
They're like those YouTube videos where there's one where it's really funny.
A little girl, she has four buckets.
Ones, two of them are full completely with change.
Then two of them have a false top with change on top.
And so she walks over, or she waves someone over, and then she asks them for help carrying.
She grabs the fake light buckets, it's like a little girl, and she carries them.
And the other people try to lift the heavy things full of change, they can't do it.
And they're like, how is this little girl carrying this?
There's no dialogue at all, just music.
This was entertainment made for a global audience, not a word being said.
So when you want to create global entertainment, no dialogue.
mary morgan
That's how the trailer for Avatar was, the second Avatar movie.
All just like B-roll of CGI oceans and aliens and jungles and like ambient music.
And I'm like, what am I watching right now?
What is the story?
tim pool
There's none.
mary morgan
That's it.
zuby
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
zuby
I'm not worried about One World Government.
That one's not going to happen.
tim pool
I mean, no, I think it will happen.
Just not now.
zuby
You think it'll happen?
tim pool
I think it's an inevitability.
I think it's impossible to avoid.
zuby
How so?
Why do you think that?
tim pool
So technological advancement, the rapid communications development, is going to result in a global shared culture, just not anytime soon.
By soon I mean like five to ten years, but you give it a couple generations, especially with, if we have air travel, then I think it's possible to have one world government through cultural expansion, but they're also shutting down air travel.
But they're also creating metaverse and virtual reality.
So already, I used to play video games with people in Oceania and China and Japan, like World of Warcraft, for instance.
Those people are friends.
They have cultural bonds stronger than their next door neighbors.
That's the kind of thing that precipitates one world government.
zuby
I don't think most people are going to have any remote interest in that.
tim pool
I think it's an extraordinarily hard sell.
What is?
zuby
I don't think you're not going to get majority of the world onto VR and the metaverse and all that.
I don't think it's, I don't think so.
tim pool
I think you will.
I don't know if it'll be the iteration that we're seeing now, but bro, we're already there.
You live on Twitter.
That's your virtual person.
zuby
I'm not normal.
Like I, you'll get some people, you'll get, there's 8 billion plus people in this world and most people live in lives, nothing like what we've got.
tim pool
And what, what did Mark Zuckerberg, Google and Starlink, what have they been, and Elon Musk, what have they been trying to do over the past 10 years?
zuby
They're trying to connect people in various ways.
tim pool
They had Project Loon, where they were like, can we get internet to, you know, like the middle of Africa with giant balloons floating in the stratosphere, broadcasting.
We've got low orbit satellite technology.
They know they need to wire all of these people.
That's what I'm saying.
Once you get everybody on the internet, and there's such luxury that comes with being online, such advantage, that's what precipitates the expansion.
zuby
I think you'll get everyone on the internet.
I don't think you're going to get everyone running around in headsets or sitting there in headsets.
tim pool
Well, that's like saying, I can't imagine everyone's going to put a vinyl record player in their home or like it's Joe Biden saying.
zuby
I think these are really different.
I think they're quite different.
tim pool
When we get to the point where your Neuralink implant is put in at birth and you don't have a say in the matter, yeah, we'll get there.
zuby
What makes you, why be so pessimistic in that?
I assume you think this is a bad thing.
tim pool
It's not pessimistic.
zuby
Do you think that's a bad thing?
tim pool
I think it's a neutral thing.
I think people, yeah, I think it's a relatively neutral thing.
I think technology is not good or bad.
I do think it leans toward the bad because we know corrupt people will exploit all of this for personal gain.
And we could potentially end up in an equilibrium type future where everyone has their emotions and thoughts suppressed and the global leaders live freely and enjoy the perks of being human.
Yeah.
But ultimately, look.
Look what Twitter has done.
Look what Facebook and YouTube have become.
The rapid expansion of social media in only 10 years.
People are going online and they're already existing with a digital version of themselves.
And it's only expanded more and more.
Maybe Mark Zuckerberg's legless metaverse is not going to be the version of WIRED that everyone gets into, but already AOC, for instance, is not representing New York's 14.
She's representing progressive Twitter.
zuby
Sure.
tim pool
She gets money because one person in every city may have a fringe worldview, but together online they make up a massive, powerful economic bloc.
They support someone like AOC and then she wins.
Her ideas are unpopular and wouldn't have won, but because all of the weird, fringe, far-left people were able to raise money online, So that created something that exists outside of a nation.
I saw this back going to 2010, and we've seen it further.
Look at Ukraine.
Look at warfare over the past 10 years, when you have individual actors joining nation states in conflict, when hackers in the United States were aiding in the revolutions in North Africa and the Middle East.
This is global government.
When you have U.S.
citizens teaming up with a network of citizens and then going and fighting in Ukraine, this is global government.
It is the precursor.
It's coming.
zuby
I don't think so.
We'll see.
ian crossland
We need one, I don't know if we need it, but one language.
You'd mentioned earlier that everybody speaks one language.
I thought English, it would be English just because of capitalism and the way corporatism is putting McDonald's all over the place and people watch Hollywood movies.
I thought for sure the whole world will be speaking English.
It'll be considered like common in D&D.
But I don't know if that's the case now.
We need to get internet to everybody and fresh water to everybody.
I kind of do because I think the other option is self-destruction.
I kind of do because I think the other option is self-destruction.
If we don't connect, we're going to be we'll fight unless we're together.
mary morgan
You know, the Internet togetherness.
It's a form of unity for sure.
ian crossland
Like what we're doing right now, there's like 50,000 people watching live or something like that.
It's intense unity.
mary morgan
I disagree that that's a community though.
zuby
Yeah, not everyone needs to be unified for there not to be severe conflict.
You can't unify everybody.
People are just too freaking different.
ian crossland
But not necessarily like we all have to do the same thing, but that we all have some sort of common purpose or ideal.
zuby
I mean, we do as human beings.
I mean, I think that's always existed.
But past a certain level, people are too different, and people have such different interests, and you travel around the world, go to different countries.
tim pool
They're not all... People need conflict.
zuby
They're not all joining.
ian crossland
It's hard enough to reunite the USA.
They need conflict resolution.
zuby
It's hard enough to reunite the USA, let alone the world.
tim pool
One proposed hypothesis, I'm not an evolutionary biologist, psychologist, or anthropologist, But why is it that Europe advanced more than the Americas?
Why did the Native American populations... Coffee.
ian crossland
Man, did they go on nitro when they... Proximity.
tim pool
...inserted coffee into their... Proximity.
The European tribes were... Roman roads.
They were boxed in in a peninsula with very little room to flee to.
So when resources would become strained, they'd kill each other to survive, causing a tit-for-tat expansion of technologies in order to survive.
In the Americas, it was so vast The tribes would just leave.
So if you look at animals, for instance, badgers, why are they so vicious?
They're burrowing animals.
They have one dimension.
When they're confronted with an attacker at the front of their burrow, they can either fight or they can die.
So of course, natural selection predicted that they'd be vicious.
Birds.
Why don't birds attack you?
Why do they run away?
Because they have multiple dimensions.
They have three dimensions.
They can just go up and leave.
So they're much less likely to require conflict, more likely to survive if you escape the battle.
In Europe, you had humans nowhere to escape to.
It's a peninsula.
So, in certain parts, it's like, fight or don't.
In the Americas, it's like, yo, I got everywhere else to be, so I'm not gonna fight you if I don't have to.
When two different groups of people are fighting next to each other for a long enough period of time, they're constantly one-upping each other.
It's an artificial evolutionary conflict happening technologically.
So, if humans today Stopped fighting.
And there was no conflict.
What would they do?
Play video games all day?
zuby
Not much, yeah.
tim pool
Watch porn all day?
And this is what we're starting to see.
There's no conflict, so what do people do?
It's WALL-E.
Get fat, sit in their lounge chairs, and complain, and just want free stuff to be pleasured and gratified.
That's what happens.
zuby
Yeah.
One thing I've been thinking about a lot recently, especially when it comes to children now, or the next generation and so on, is You know, I think everyone understands and realizes that as human beings, as individuals, and even as a wider society, you need conflict and struggle and hardship in order to develop a resilience, right?
Develop grit, resilience, a stronger personality, ability to withstand stuff.
and I think so many of the problems that we have right now and we're dealing with in the West as Tim's alluded to already is just Just people are weak.
People are fragile emotionally.
Oh my gosh, you misgendered me like like the whole woke.
It's all based in weakness It's based in victimology, you know nerf the world instead of making yourself stronger That's really been the attitude for quite a while now and I often wonder how is that if there is a way maybe the answer is no, but is there a way to rather without having Taking people through this certain grind of hardship.
Is there a way to consistently say, raise strong minded and even physically strong children without, you know, who aren't just going to grow up to be these, these lame snowflakes or whatever you want to call them without having to go through necessarily all the same nonsense that their parents or ancestors did?
tim pool
There's a viral post, it's hilarious, where someone, some Antifa person is like, you better believe the right is arming up and training and you better be as equally trained and armed as they are for the coming conflict.
And what do you think the left's response was to that?
zuby
When we say the left, who do we mean?
unidentified
Leftists, Antifa, etc.
tim pool
What was their response to someone on the left saying, you need to start training and get ready for a conflict with the right?
ian crossland
You can't tell me what to do.
tim pool
Some of us aren't physically capable.
unidentified
Your tweet is ableist.
tim pool
And then they apologize saying, we understand that not everyone is able to physically train and there are other ways to help.
lydia smith
That was so sad.
A lot of them just ended up saying, man, I'm just so depressed.
zuby
Was this on Twitter?
tim pool
Yep.
One guy was like, yo, I'm depressed.
Just use me as a human shield.
zuby
Oh, wow.
tim pool
You know what?
I know why they're depressed too.
Jordan Peterson, man, he's, he's, he's, well, the, the, the, the depression, he's killing it.
You know, he's saving young people in general if they just listen to him.
Yo, people are depressed because they have no purpose, they have no drive, no internal conflict, no responsibility.
They're just sitting around staring at the TV like, what for?
zuby
Yeah, you have to... I mean, one thing I know for myself, right, because I'm not sitting here pretending, oh, I came from some rough background or whatever, like I'm blessed, like I'm super privileged in many regards.
But I've had, I've created my own hardship in many ways, right?
Like there are ways that, you know, in terms of your, whether it's your career or, I mean, what even is going to the gym?
Going to the gym is going and artificially creating resistance, whether to build your lung capacity or improve your cardiovascular system or increase your muscles.
Like, our ancestors would be like, what on earth are, what's everyone in this room doing?
Why don't you just do your farm work or do your work?
tim pool
I was talking about this recently.
We had, we purchased like wild caught salmon or whatever.
And I was like, so people in the US who have money can order fresh fish.
Lower to middle class people get garbage farm fish and then third world poor people eat fresh fish.
And so the funny thing is like, we have a lake out here.
You're allowed to fish, but you got to throw the fish back.
And I was like, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard.
I understand we got to throw the fish back.
I'm just like, why go fishing for no reason?
It's like people like simulating survival.
zuby
Exactly.
Dude, that's what it all is.
Why are people so drawn to sport?
ian crossland
Yeah.
zuby
Right?
Like so many of the things that we do when we find impress... It's like you're making your life harder than it needs to be.
You're creating the artificial pressures and... Why are so many people now getting into MMA and combat sports and stuff like that?
It's because you need to... You're not gonna get it in your day-to-day life, right?
You don't need to do anything.
tim pool
I say we do away with war and we replace it with the sporting event.
Soccer maybe, I don't know.
mary morgan
Football.
ian crossland
Football or soccer.
Whoever wins gets to name it.
zuby
It certainly helps.
I also, by the way, I think this is part of why so many people snapped in 2020 because all the usual outlets for energy and tension and even just the social... It was just allowed to pile up.
tim pool
Zuby, where is everybody?
zuby
Where's everybody?
tim pool
So we got a pilot shortage, right?
We have, like, medical worker shortages.
We've got labor shortages across the board.
zuby
Didn't they fire a bunch of people last year?
tim pool
But how do people just stop working?
Where does that food come from?
zuby
Food is very easy to acquire.
Oh, sorry, you mean if these people stop working?
tim pool
How are they paying their rent?
zuby
Um, sorry, wait, let's rewind this.
tim pool
Airlines are shutting down thousands of flights.
zuby
Okay.
I wasn't even aware of that.
tim pool
Yeah.
Pilot shortage.
zuby
Is this specifically in the USA or all over?
tim pool
I think it's all over the world.
zuby
Okay.
tim pool
I mean, it's heavily in the US.
I follow US news, but a pilot shortage.
And I'm like, where did those pilots go?
Did they just stop working?
And if they did, how are they paying their bills?
How are they buying food?
But it's not just that.
You go to fast food restaurants and they got signs on the door saying like, we're understaffed.
zuby
I've seen that.
tim pool
All over the place.
We went out on Memorial Day weekend.
Nobody.
I'm like, where are the people at?
Where'd they all go?
Where are the workers?
How is it that people stopped working and didn't start working again?
I don't understand.
Like, you're a pilot.
What are you gonna do?
Go be a mailman?
Why would you do that?
You're a pilot.
zuby
I don't know.
I'm not familiar with the pilot thing at all.
tim pool
Why do you mean generally speaking?
How is there a shortage of these jobs?
Are they just choosing not to hire them back or something?
But where's everybody else?
How is it that people stopped working and they're not working now?
Where's their food coming from?
How are they paying utilities?
How are they paying rent or mortgages?
zuby
I don't know.
I'm not, I'm not super familiar with this issue.
So I don't, I don't really know what's been happening.
ian crossland
I'm concerned that there's a black market evolving that people don't know about.
And I'm really concerned that people, great, amazing humans that got screwed over by the last two years worth of mandates and whatever running out of money are going to turn to nefarious things to get by like human trafficking and things like that.
zuby
I, man, I I'd, I'd be cautious of predicting something that dark.
ian crossland
Yeah, I just want to get it on the table now.
So in 10 years, you guys remember I said at first, to put nothing past anyone in desperate times.
tim pool
I made the joke to Seamus that the rapture happened.
And then he was like, well, certainly I couldn't have, you know, cause he's devout Catholic.
So it's like, Hey, wait a minute.
You know, what are you saying?
But no, man, look, we, I mean, obviously I see people out doing stuff.
We went and played pool the other day and had wings.
Good fun.
A lot of people out there playing pool on a weekend.
But when you hear about all these labor shortages, and when I go to like a Chipotle and they're like, we're understaffed, please bear with us.
I'm like, how is it possible that people just aren't working?
zuby
There is a lot of laziness as well.
And again, inertia.
tim pool
I get it.
zuby
But like, how do they get food?
But hasn't this always been a question?
I mean, there are lots of people, there's millions and millions and millions of people who don't work and haven't been working for a long time.
And they somehow get by.
I don't know if it's just welfare or if it's, I don't even know what all the schemes and stuff like that are.
I just work, you know, we just work.
But there are millions of people in this country, in any country, who don't work and they're alive.
tim pool
Yeah, I suppose.
zuby
I don't know exactly what they do.
tim pool
Have we expanded the welfare state to such a point that we can have labor shortages and keep giving them money?
zuby
Maybe.
I honestly have no idea what the welfare structure Looks like here how much more money is being spent now than was two or three years ago.
I have no idea what any of that looks like.
lydia smith
So they say that the poor people in the U.S.
rival some of the richer people in Europe because our welfare system is incredibly deep.
There's a lot of layers to it.
So I think that might be where they're all going.
I think that over the course of the pandemic, they realized, oh my gosh, I don't really have to work.
I'm non-essential, right?
I can work from home.
tim pool
People have pointed out retirement, but that doesn't explain fast food restaurants.
That doesn't explain yogurt shops and burger joints.
zuby
I know retirement is one of the ones for pilots, because I did see something saying that they're not training up enough new pilots.
lydia smith
They're raising the age over time, too.
zuby
Oh, really?
Wow.
unidentified
Just quit?
zuby
Yeah, so there aren't enough people being incentivized to become pilots to compensate for the older ones who are leaving.
ian crossland
What bothers me the US government printing all that money in the last two years and then just started handing it out to people you're making you're sending people towards bankruptcy and then they're gonna stop paying their taxes because they can't afford to survive you fools and then if they're not then you're gonna have a revolution on your hands.
zuby
The USA is such a fascinating country because one thing that Americans always, always forget is how young this country is.
I always say that the USA is a teenager as far as countries go.
And also it's a giant teenager with 50 states.
unidentified
An angry teenager with a desert eagle.
zuby
Like there's so many things that are unique about the USA that make it genuinely impossible to properly compare to Any other country in the world.
It's got so many things that are absolutely unique.
I mean, even if someone said, oh, let's, well, let's compare it to all of Europe.
It's like, maybe that's a better comparison than to one country in Europe, but it's also, it's, it's so, so different in so many ways.
ian crossland
Abusive father, you know, King George just beat the hell out of him.
I got this angry rage from our childhood.
tim pool
Yeah, we had to emancipate ourselves.
We had to run away from home.
ian crossland
Like at age 12, it was crazy.
tim pool
Sibling is still up there acting all wacky and elitist.
I love it that the left has this meme where they're like, the United States, Canada must feel like they've got like a dysfunctional sibling who's walking around with guns.
And I'm like, Who's the size of a toddler?
ian crossland
Maybe.
tim pool
I kind of think it's like, you know, Canada is the snooty, frail, you know, sibling.
mary morgan
Canada's the Aunt Karen.
ian crossland
Canada didn't run away from home like America did.
tim pool
No, but we were the children of, you know, the crown.
And so Canada was like, why are you fighting?
Just do what father says.
And we were like, no.
zuby
Honestly, every time I look at a map or a globe, I'm always like, like I look at this, the geographical size of the UK or Great Britain even, which is even smaller.
And I'm just like.
unidentified
Physics.
tim pool
It's like the size of New Jersey.
ian crossland
Isaac Newton.
Isaac Newton developed physics.
So England got the cannons first and then they could hit long range with their boats.
So they dominated the world.
They conquered India.
zuby
I know how it happens.
I just look at the size of the country.
ian crossland
It's amazing what technology can do for a small country, like a piece of tech.
That nuclear power is kind of like that nuclear weaponry.
Like Israel is heavily armed right now.
They're massively influential on the world stage.
tim pool
Well, we give them money so that they can build weapons.
zuby
Yes.
tim pool
There you go.
The Federal Reserve prints money.
zuby
I'm British, but I'm assuming the British also contribute.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
We put a bunch of money into Iraq and Afghanistan, Sudan and Sudan.
A ton of U.S.
dollars goes into people.
There's a map showing you all the spending.
And it's funny because you get these certain countries that get all of the attention, like in the Middle East or Israel.
And then you're like, have you taken a look at Central America and Africa, man?
Because we put way more into some of these African countries and these conflicts.
zuby
Why Sudan?
tim pool
It may not be Sudan anymore, this was years ago, but didn't we just deploy troops to Sudan recently?
lydia smith
I believe so.
What are those countries?
tim pool
Conflicts?
zuby
It's so hard to keep track of even what's... I totally understand why some people just check out of politics completely and are like... Oh my gosh, I tried to read a bill, the language is intentionally obfuscatory, it's so...
ian crossland
Boring to read you gotta like get into that state of weird.
Yeah, and thus we have decreed that Act 1 colon section CB 3 C 2 4 1 3 What in the hell are you doing?
tim pool
Instead of writing a bill that says, here's what the bill does, it will say, the language of this bill is changed to read in section 2A3, quote, and will include, end quote, to be in place of section 491, quote, AR15, quote, and you're like, notwithstanding, I gotta pull up these other bills and then replace words to understand what your bill does.
ian crossland
And they don't give you the other bill with the bill.
That's intentional.
And then they slip a little like, and 100,000 troops will be sent to Sudan.
But they say it in a little weird way and like page 72, subsection 3.
zuby
And then name the bill something nice that nobody can disagree with.
tim pool
I wish Joe Biden would just come out and just be as overt as Trump was sometimes.
You know, because Trump was like, we're going to be selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.
unidentified
It's great.
tim pool
It's going to be great for our economy.
The entirety of the anti-war left was just like, he just said it.
He just came out and said it.
They were like, you guys remember that meme where Trump tweeted something and this journalist goes, I have been investigating this story for a year.
For a year, I've dedicated my career to finding out what was going on this meeting.
And he just tweeted it out.
He just said it.
It's like all my work.
That's Trump!
So Biden, if he came out and he was like, look, listen here, champ, we're gonna open the borders, destroy this country, send your kids overseas to die, that way China wins.
Come on.
I'd be like, yeah, right?
I'd be like, all right, well, there it is, on the table.
ian crossland
We're about to hit up some super chats, but I wanted to ask you about your book, because we have not talked about it much.
This is a children's book that you just created.
What's the plot?
zuby
Sure.
So the plot is, um, so I think it's important to say, so it's a collaboration with Brave Books and they're a company based in Texas that put out a new children's book every month.
They work with a range of different authors and influencers on this.
So I wanted to do one that was, a lot of their books are more conservative leaning, more politically charged, but for a young audience.
But I wanted to do one that's totally apolitical.
I'd written a fitness book before.
I'm very passionate about health and fitness and taking care of your body.
And oddly, there aren't that many books aimed at the younger demographic on that topic.
So I was like, you know what?
Let me do something that's completely apolitical.
Childhood obesity is rising everywhere.
Adulthood obesity continues to rise.
And we need to talk about health and fitness and why this is important.
So the story is about a group of friends.
They're animal characters.
And I won't give away the complete plot.
But they're out in the desert.
And there is an incident where some pirates come and they raid them and they're not in good enough shape, essentially, to chase them off and to fight them away.
So they're there.
They retreat back and they're just there eating all their candy.
Like lazing around and then eventually one of them is like, look guys, we, you know, that was our bad.
We need to get in shape.
And so they go and they train and they, they get jacked.
And then the next time the, uh, the bad guys come, they managed to chase him away and get, well, that's basically the full plot, right?
It's the plot.
It's the plot, but it's, uh, it's more fun.
And it, and I made it all rhyme as a rapper.
I had to make sure that my children's book would rhyme.
tim pool
Alright, let's go to Super Chats.
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and share the show if you really do like it.
Post that URL everywhere.
Head over to TimCast.com.
We're gonna have a members-only, uncensored show going up at about 11 p.m.
tonight.
We also have The Green Room with Carrie Lake, which is up, so if you're a big fan of her, and we definitely are, you can watch that, as well as Tales from the Inverted World.
I believe it's episode 4 is officially up.
And, uh, we're doing a whole lot of stuff.
Big announcements to come soon, but let's read some super chats.
Caleb W says, sitting in a hospital, awaiting the birth of my second son.
What a great way to celebrate MAGA month with Zuby.
Mr. Slytrip says, do you think every governor, dissent has included, whom shut down a church for a day, violated the first paragraph of the first amendment by making a pseudo law against establishments of religion and or our right to peaceably assemble?
Of course, that was a violation of the constitution.
That's it.
I don't know.
unidentified
What else?
tim pool
All right, Gadsden says, Tim Pool is Ben Shapiro if you gave him a skateboard when he was a kid instead of a violin.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I was actually given a drum kit when I was like seven.
And then a guitar when I was like 12, so maybe.
But Ben Shapiro had a really funny joke.
When we were at the Daily Wire, I was playing Mario Kart with him.
And I was destroying Michael Knowles.
I think it was Knowles, Shapiro, and maybe Matt Walsh.
Pretty sure it was Matt Walsh.
And we were playing Mario Kart 64, and I just mopped the floor with him.
Because I'm, you know, good at Mario Kart, right?
So I did the wall jump in Wario Stadium, cut the course in half.
Michael Knowles was flabbergasted, didn't understand how he was in first place.
And then I missed the jump a couple times, and all of a sudden I just jump and boom, I'm at the end of the level in first place.
Ben Shapiro was just like, Yeah, I spent most of my childhood studying and then going to law school.
I wasn't playing video games.
And then he was like, he said a funny joke.
He was like, ladies and gentlemen, here's Tim Pool.
He spent his childhood playing video games and skateboarding while I went to law school.
He makes the same amount of money as me.
I was like, I don't have any funny jokes, but I can beat you at Mario Kart.
All right, Raymond G. Maga Stanley Jr.
says, I love the Tim Pool Trump quote, the bestest best.
Yeah, we were trying to figure out what to put on the Times Square billboards, and so we had two joke ones.
My brother, whose character is Reactor, said, the best podcast I, a 25 to 54-year-old male, has ever listened to.
And then mine was, it's the best podcast, everybody agrees, at least that's what I was told.
I literally was told that, though.
It is true.
I can't remember who it was that came on the show.
A couple people have said, like everybody says, it's like the best show, man.
I think Bannon said that.
Something like that.
lydia smith
He did, yeah.
He thought your producer was really great, too.
unidentified
He did.
lydia smith
Just saying.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe we should have Bannon back now that they're going after him.
All right, Grace Fang says, let those of us using PayPal to transfer payment methods without having to cancel.
Also, Twitter actively protects and supports pedophilia, Tim Pool.
I mean, but that's a statement of fact.
There's numerous news stories talking about them doing it.
I was like, okay, you want to play these games with me, Twitter?
I'll call out these news stories.
That's what I do.
For those of you that use PayPal on the website, I think most of you don't have to do anything.
If you signed up with PayPal for a membership on the website, eventually it'll just automatically process through Parallel Economy, and you don't have to do anything.
If you used a PayPal account to do it, then I don't know for sure.
But I will stress this again.
To tell your friends, we have been working really hard to get PayPal off the site as our payment processor.
And to use parallel economy, so we can support new technology from companies that don't hate you, or at the very least, like you a little bit.
Better than nothing, right?
All right, let's see.
Azalea Primrose says, is Mary one of the ghosts of the Civil War that followed Shane back to work?
I know if a ghost followed me home, I would be speechless by Michael Knowles.
unidentified
And let's not forget about Honk Honk Chickens.
tim pool
All right, very good.
Bravo, bravo.
ian crossland
Well, Mary?
mary morgan
Uh, I might be.
unidentified
He's not doing a good job of finding me.
tim pool
He's looking around like, where are the ghosts?
Sitting here on the show, apparently.
All right, let's see.
Rommel says, hey guys, my dog personally wanted to thank y'all for the new camera locations in Chicken City.
He said he very much enjoys watching for coyotes, and the new cameras let him clear the perimeter much better.
He has 20 bones.
Appreciate it.
unidentified
Great.
tim pool
Yeah, Chicken City has some major improvements.
Roberto Jr.
is the superstar.
He's up on a 96-foot billboard in Times Square.
I'm very, very happy and proud of that.
Chance Jones says, Tim, did you see Lauren Southern's recap video of the whole truth?
She gave you a pretty good shout out.
I did not see it.
I'm glad to hear though.
Lauren's really cool.
I think she's great.
And she's going to come hang out soon.
lydia smith
That's correct.
tim pool
So super excited.
I was wondering, I know people were mentioning she put out a video about like the truth about behind the scenes and how fake people were.
And I was like, I wonder what she'd say about me.
But I think Lauren's very legit.
All right, let's see what we got here.
More Superchats.
Ben Andering says, Hey Tim, I want to help you set up your coffee slash game shop.
I sent an email to your info email and sent you a letter in the mail.
I want to help fight the culture war.
Um, the first thing we're doing is.
We are trying to find a venue and that's rather difficult, but we've got some there in the West Virginia area.
We're looking at one in Martinsburg.
We're looking at some in Charlestown.
We've got to figure out how we're going to do it.
And then, you know, the idea is these, these towns in West Virginia, they have like 30 to 40,000 people and they're very small, but if you build it, they will come.
At least that's what I've been told.
ian crossland
You are right.
tim pool
So that's what we're going to do.
We're going to create spaces and get everyone to want to come out here and get away from the cities.
That's the plan, man.
Aiden Chavez says you guys should get Mike Glover from Fieldcraft Survivalung.
He said he was willing to go on.
Love the show and the guests you have on.
Zuby rocks!
Zuby does indeed rock.
We'll take a look at this, uh, who is it?
Mike Glover.
lydia smith
Mike Glover, I'm familiar.
tim pool
Spencer...
Hermanat says, the minute TimCast launches a mobile app, I will be ending my YouTube Premium subscription and becoming a TimCast member.
We're working on it.
Yo, it's very difficult and expensive to do all this dev work, but we're working on it.
And you know, the thing is, like, I know, once we have a mobile app, like, we get more members, which means more money, which means we can build faster, and we're doing, we're going as fast as we can, I suppose.
But we're on it.
Maybe, yeah.
ian crossland
We should integrate parallel economy into the app.
tim pool
Well, no, it is.
It is.
So the default method of payment on TimCast.com is Parallel Economy.
That means signing up at TimCast.com supports a Dan Bongino company, it opposes censorship, and it supports us more than anybody, but you gotta get more companies using Parallel Economy, because I would be very happy if one day it was like, PayPal?
You still use that?
No, we use Parallel Economy.
mary morgan
I'd never heard of it before, I'm gonna have to check it out.
Did you see what they did to Eric July?
unidentified
I did.
PayPal?
mary morgan
They've frozen over a million of his dollars.
tim pool
1.3 million.
zuby
His Ripaverse money.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
1.3 million.
mary morgan
No!
Not all of it, because some of it was done, like some people paid directly on his website, but there was like 1.2 million frozen right now that he doesn't have access to.
unidentified
Eric!
tim pool
You gotta get on Parallel Economy.
Well, it's too late now, right?
ian crossland
No, it's never too late.
mary morgan
Well, it's too late for the people who paid.
unidentified
Their money's being seized by PayPal.
tim pool
No, but I mean, there's no reason to keep using them.
Of course.
Look, I gotta be honest.
Parallel Economy is new.
It took us time to build the infrastructure around using their service, but it has been really great.
I gotta be honest.
Their website for tracking is way better than PayPal.
PayPal is getting by on market dominance, and they haven't updated in a long time, at least that's the way it seems.
So, yo, Eric, that's BS, man.
We gotta hit up Eric, man, have him back on the show and talk about that.
mary morgan
And on pop culture.
tim pool
And on pop culture.
mary morgan
We talked about it today, actually.
tim pool
And we need to get the Parallel Economy guys to just Mach 10 to getting Eric set up with a better payment system.
ian crossland
ParallelEconomy.com, sign up.
You can apply.
I'm actually in the process of doing it right now.
tim pool
Wow, that's crazy, man.
All right.
We'll read some more.
Maybe we'll come back to that.
Hey!
I love to see it!
Madison lost his primary though, didn't he?
lydia smith
I don't know.
unidentified
I think so.
ian crossland
Is that what happened?
tim pool
Yeah.
But I'm glad someone's doing it.
All right.
We got too many superchats.
We got way too many.
Western and Canadian Commentary says, I get 12-hour suspension twice daily with no noticeable effect.
Thank you all for all your work.
It was TimCastIRL that inspired me to move to the country a month ago.
We have five veggies growing, and I get to clean up our chicken coop tomorrow.
Isn't it so much fun?
lydia smith
It is delightful.
tim pool
When Kim, she's our chicken tender, goes out- Sorry, chicken tender made me laugh.
Well, the best thing was when my brother was running it.
His name is Chris Poole, so he was Chris P at Chicken Tender.
But it's really, you know, it's so much fun watching Chicken City when Kim goes in because they chase her around.
She's got food.
ian crossland
She loves them.
tim pool
The chickens are like...
Food's coming!
Like, you have to stand by her.
mary morgan
She is their god.
tim pool
It's like some kind of giant creature walking around with a bucket full of cheeseburgers, handing them out to people.
People are like, ooh, give me one, give me one!
That's so weird, right?
Cheeseburgers.
All right, AIMTE2020 says, Elsagate sounds very similar to Momo on YouTube Kids.
Momo would threaten kids into turning on the stove and other dangerous things around the house.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
That sounds like a horror movie.
lydia smith
Wow.
tim pool
Yo, that's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah, that was creepy.
tim pool
John Galt says, Cat gone, Ian rejoins the conversation.
ian crossland
Oh, I had to dig him out from underneath that chair over there.
When he gets in a little hovel, he wants to play.
He got Sharpie nails, so I got to lift up the chair and kind of coax him out.
tim pool
Michael Mammoth says, Tim, would you host my full length digital comics behind your paywall?
Michael Mammoth for a 25, at Michael Mammoth for a 25 page issue.
Let me write that down because the answer is yes, if your comic is good.
I am writing down your name.
And, um, we talked about a long time ago, the goal will ultimately be to have, like, everything.
I would love to do, like, weekly manga releases or graphic novel releases.
You can call them manga.
We're not Japanese.
But something like that.
Because I'm a big fan of Shonen Jump.
For, like, 10 years, I read every Wednesday, Naruto, Scanlations.
ian crossland
I wonder if George Alexopoulos would do, uh, exclusive Behind the Paywall stuff.
tim pool
We'll reach out to him.
George Alexopoulos is my favorite artist.
He's so good.
It is the most brilliant stuff ever.
We have his paintings up.
Probably the best thing I've ever seen was when he drew the trade towers and it says society and democracy on it.
There's a trucker that says free speech flying into it.
lydia smith
With a Klan hood is amazing.
tim pool
That one wasn't the Klan hood, but the one where he made the truckers with the giant truck seven Klan hoods on them.
He was mocking the New Yorker or something like that, how they like their style of comics.
It was just gprime85 on Twitter and Instagram.
You got to follow George.
He's brilliant.
He's a genius.
So, yes, Michael, we will.
I'll take a look.
All right.
Michael also says, oh, I'm sorry.
That was Michael.
Augusto says, 10 to 12,000 years ago, we rebelled against the Anunnaki ETs and they want to enslave us again.
Easier if we are weak and depopulated.
Yes.
I don't think so, but okay.
ian crossland
They did have flying machines though.
Yeah.
tim pool
Didn't they want us to mine gold for them for their atmosphere because their atmosphere is elliptical.
And so they need to keep the planet warm using gold particles.
ian crossland
I see.
tim pool
I have no idea.
I read the internet sometimes.
Dave says, I've never had a Twitter account.
Now I want to sign up so I can scream groomer into the void and have the host of bots that make up Twitter ban me.
Yep, that's about right.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We'll grab some more super jets.
What is this?
What is this?
Christopher Marr says, I have an idea.
Let's print more money.
Well, DeSantis is even doing it too.
He announced he's going to give stimulus to people because of inflation.
I'm like, oh yeah, that's, that's going to work.
Okay.
This is why you got to vote for Trump, I guess.
And we'll see though.
It's an attorney.
It's until 2024.
But Trump saying he's going to fire everybody.
That's, that's, you know, that's great.
Craig Shirt says, we need the TimCast Speak Your Mind Tour to provide a safe place for people to speak.
We are planning on, for one, opening up our own venue, which would have smaller local events.
We would do like maybe one or two a month, TimCast IRL live Friday night, where it'll be at a venue, but it'll also still be live on YouTube and all that.
But we're also actually setting up some events.
We're looking at like Miami, Nashville, and Austin, I think.
To do the plan right now is we are going to do a Friday night IRL live which will be I think five hours long so excellent very hard work for all of the Timcast crew and then the speakers for the event actually just come in and join the podcast and then get up and leave like every hour so we would have like I think four or five guests We would sit here the whole time.
Granted, I think, honestly, I'd be the only one sitting here the entire time, because obviously we could have people come in if Lydia needed a break and people have to go to the bathroom and stuff like that.
Me, I would just sit there and, you know.
ian crossland
Oh, you got me the whole time.
tim pool
Yeah, I think.
ian crossland
I'm trained for this.
tim pool
The best part, though, is I'm thinking about how we're going to do the blocking for the table.
So, like, everyone will be sitting on one side of the table.
It'll be the weirdest thing ever.
ian crossland
Maybe levels.
Maybe we could have people above, above like a riser.
mary morgan
4D chess.
tim pool
Or we just do a table that's like an octagon.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, that could work.
tim pool
Yeah.
And so people can see, you know, this big octagonal or something.
ian crossland
Oh, we could do it in the round.
You ever do theater in the round where the stage is in the middle and then people surround?
Problem is you will see some people's backs.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
You see everybody else's fronts.
tim pool
But we'll figure it out.
It'll be really, really cool.
And then we have a Q&A from the audience and stuff would be a whole lot of fun.
Whole lot of fun.
And we're looking at cities that have a lot of prominent individuals, you know, like Nashville and Austin.
It's kind of obvious who we'd reach out to if we did something like that and have them on the show.
It'd be really great.
Speak your mind tour.
We've talked about doing a tour where we actually book in like every major city.
The problem is not possible.
Just completely impossible to run a business while traveling.
And so I've had one company say, we will get you a private plane every Friday after your morning show to fly out to the city when the show is ready to go.
unidentified
And I was like, Still really hard work.
tim pool
But maybe.
I just, we don't, we don't have the ability to do that.
We have to send a deal with someone I don't want to do.
All right.
Stefan Bukov says, Drex had a great interview with a furry.
Turns out they dress up because the anonymity provided by costumes allows them to do the most heinous and debaucherous acts while dissociating themselves from those acts.
lydia smith
Gross.
tim pool
Yeah, see, the thing is, I've actually talked to some furries.
And the point is, the most innocent version of it, as I've been told, is it's a personal identity escapism.
That you're something else, you're someone else, and you have an affinity for the costume or whatever.
And then I've heard that, that people do debaucherous things, but I don't... I've been told that's not, like, the core of it.
The core of it is more of an identity thing.
Okay.
Rel says, Trump stopped funding the World Health Organization by and reinstated funding.
CCP connection?
Yeah, I certainly think so.
Shane Man says, Hey Zuby, being from the UK, what's your favorite band from your homeland?
I can name so many great bands from the 60s, 70s from the UK.
Interested in hearing what you were raised on.
Thanks.
zuby
Man, I'm not that much of a band person.
I'm more of a hip hop and rap person.
So I don't know if I have a favorite British band to be totally honest.
tim pool
British band.
zuby
Yeah, I don't really have an answer.
There's tons of them, it's just not really my main genre.
tim pool
What about British hip-hop?
zuby
British hip-hop?
Is that called grime?
Grime is a sub-genre.
mary morgan
Okay.
zuby
Sub-genre of hip-hop, really.
I like a lot of British rappers.
I like Stormzy, JME, Skepta, Getz.
My friend Shouto is really dope.
Who else am I into?
Man, there's a lot.
Those are the ones that come to my head right off the top, but I feel like I'm missing out some major ones.
But there's a lot of dope British hip-hop and grime now.
tim pool
Right on.
Alright, Evil Empire Cigar Society says, I have a cigar show interviewing brand owners in the industry with people like The Daily Wirecast and Crowder that enjoy them.
Would you consider doing some content with us?
Let's build that content arc.
I don't smoke!
So, perhaps?
I don't know what we would do.
ian crossland
Cigars are alright, you just puff on them for the taste.
Don't inhale.
tim pool
Jay Everett says, Alex Jones is right.
Save Alex Jones.
Yeah, I think they're doing jury selection, they announced that today or something?
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
Going to court?
ian crossland
Oh.
tim pool
The gut is company?
unidentified
Man.
tim pool
Eraftus of Stett says, there is a phrase in my church, the wise man builds his house on the rock.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
You need to anchor yourself to something in order to be able to adapt.
Ah, very nice, very nice.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
Chris B. says, Ian's anti-Christian rhetoric is becoming very grating.
ian crossland
I saw that super chat, actually.
But the thing was, I'd never mentioned Christianity today.
I did say at one point, don't think that God is going to save you.
But if you think that means Christianity, then that's your echo chamber.
I just am talking about the monolith.
I think someone mentioned Christianity in response to that.
mary morgan
If we're talking about the faith that this country has had up until very recently, it is Christianity.
So that's what I assumed you were implying.
ian crossland
I'm talking about the world and people having a belief that something external will save them.
And I want to inspire people to save themselves.
tim pool
All right.
GLA fonda says Zubi based brother-in-arms The decadent rot in the West has a spiritual component to
us is the transhumanist agenda known as the great reset a mass
Ritual sacrifice to save the earth or to serve a more fiendish master
zuby
Look I don't I don't know exactly why certain things are happening
That's a huge question.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The why is a confusing part.
But as I said, I think when you're dealing with actual evil, when you're dealing with genuine malice, if you are a Decent, non-malicious, non-evil person.
It can be really hard to understand the motive.
The same goes, that's why it's so hard.
You can't understand serial killers and stuff, right?
You're not meant to be able to understand it because you just don't even operate.
tim pool
It was really like AOC faking being in handcuffs.
zuby
It's freaking weird.
tim pool
Faking it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Just to manipulate people.
zuby
Yeah, very weird, isn't it?
tim pool
Yep.
And then later she was like, it's because it's the safest thing to do so you don't get charged with resisting.
It's like, lady, you're a sitting member of Congress at a sit-in being carried away to a VIP gathering area where you're gonna stand and fist pump with a bunch of other members of Congress.
zuby
And her friends did the same as well.
Exactly.
ian crossland
I could see, though, if she was flailing her arms around as she was walking like this, then if someone mimicked her and did it and got hurt, then that would be a problem.
She might be responsible for it.
Because people are going to watch her and be like, I want to be like her.
tim pool
Flailing her arms around.
She's just walking and flopping her arms around.
ian crossland
Yeah, well, if she was like out, if her arms were out when she was under arrest, that might be a problem for someone that wasn't her.
tim pool
Dude, come on.
zuby
She was just acting.
tim pool
Yeah, she's just acting.
It's malicious evil.
It is nihilism and it's pure.
It's millennial nihilism, too.
It's this, you know, nothing matters but power.
David Graeber said it before he passed, said, the left has embraced the fascistic tenet, there is no truth but power.
And that's exactly what they've been following, what they've been pursuing.
ian crossland
Back to the roots!
The wild animals!
tim pool
And then people who get power just cause everyone to suffer and extract until finally they can't extract anything else.
ian crossland
I was thinking today, like, a government can just take your company, turn it to zero, and seize everything if they want through force.
Like, what is there other than force?
tim pool
Not even force, they can literally just, like, they can just... Dissolve it.
Dissolve your filing, yeah.
ian crossland
But then if you're like, well, I'm still gonna sell my goods, they'll send Feds or whatever to the house and be like, no, you're gonna come with us.
zuby
I mean, I guess there is some element of truth to the fact that everything in the world... I mean, one could argue that everything in the world that exists is ultimately, at the end point, backed up by violence or the threat of it.
Right.
tim pool
We got a good one here.
ian crossland
Seems like it.
tim pool
Douglas Todd says, brain implants will become necessary due to competition.
How can someone without the implants compete with those that have them?
Exactly.
ian crossland
Tattoos.
You can have non-invasive graphene tattoos and things like that.
tim pool
Imagine not having a cell phone.
How would you get a job?
They'll be like, you wanna work here?
Yes.
What's your phone number?
I don't have one.
Well, how do I get in touch with you?
Send me a letter.
I'll be like, okay, no, that's not gonna happen.
It's like, okay, sure, I'll send you a letter.
That guy's got a cell phone.
I'll text him instead.
Okay, I only have a landline phone.
I don't have a cell phone, so you can call me.
Okay, well, what if there's an emergency and we need to get in touch with you for some reason?
Oh, I don't know.
Okay, well, if I hire that guy, he's got a cell phone, and if a key goes missing or something, I can just text him.
Yeah, I'm not gonna hire the guy without a cell phone.
Someone's gonna have a brain implant, and they're gonna be like, oh, if anything happens, just interface with me and I'll give you all the info.
ian crossland
Well, I say tattooed because eventually we'll be having like removable tattoos on the back of our neck that can do the same thing the implant can do, so you won't need invasive stuff.
tim pool
But how is it a tattoo?
ian crossland
Graphene, electromagnetic, we'll like, I think you just check them out, graphene tattoos.
Yeah, it's like a sticker.
They call it a tattoo, but you can remove it.
zuby
The Amish make more and more sense to me, like, every passing week.
unidentified
I used to think they were kind of weird, now I'm like, I said buttons were too far.
zuby
I'm like, they're onto something there.
unidentified
Yep.
zuby
Yeah.
ian crossland
Here we go.
A graphing tattoo to continuously monitor your brainwaves.
tim pool
But people don't understand that Amish don't really live completely just like without... I know it's not literally nothing.
There's like, um, if you go along the East coast, there's like a supermarket run by the Amish and there's like ice cream machines and grills, like, but they're dressed like, you know, Amish people and they make food and you eat it.
zuby
I assume there's different degrees.
There's varying degrees, just like they're over there.
tim pool
I think we just got to ask someone who's Amish to like, Hey, explain that.
Cause I remember in Chicago is a farmer's market and like an, a truck said like Amish farms pulls up and they're like Amish people driving in the car, pulling up to sell their food or whatever.
mary morgan
They'll do it if it involves making money.
tim pool
Yeah, I think people completely exaggerate a lot of what Amish people do.
But I do think it's, for the most part, probably true.
They're chillin', minding their own business.
Honey Badgers has had a debate with a friend about your Civil War theory, and he pointed out states suing another state, IDK, the court working on state courts.
And my issue is, what if the feds say, we're not getting involved?
So the scenario I presented is, Colorado has no restriction on abortion, Texas bans abortion.
Man and woman have kid, or get pregnant.
At eight months, the woman says, you know what, I don't want the kid, I'm gonna kill it.
Flees to Colorado.
The husband says, no, no, she's taken my son.
He's viable.
She's going to kill him.
Colorado has no limit.
Federal government says, we got nothing to do with this.
What happens?
zuby
People need to stop being demons.
Like stop being demonic.
Like if you're eight months pregnant and you've got a man, like, what are you doing?
tim pool
Sure.
zuby
But like, we shouldn't be having, needing to have these conversations.
tim pool
The scenario there is, does the dad just say, guess she'll kill my kid.
Or does he go, come on guys, round up the gang and we're getting in the truck and going to save my kid.
zuby
I think the latter is quite likely.
tim pool
Or what if Texas then says we no longer allow interstate commerce with Colorado because of the kidnapping of one of our residents for execution or something?
zuby
I don't know, man.
ian crossland
When you, let's say, stop being demons, I think of it as like it's impossible to go against the avalanche.
I mean, it's not impossible, it's very hard.
zuby
So what do you propose to... I think there's too much blackmailing going on, man.
Honestly.
I don't think it's healthy.
ian crossland
When did you start working out?
zuby
When I was 15.
Yeah.
No, man, I... Sorry, I feel like there was some... What was it you said just before that?
ian crossland
How to give people hope.
How to get them... Because telling them to stop being black felt different than giving them the white pill.
zuby
Yeah, of course, man.
No, I mean, all I push is optimism, man.
Why do I do what I do online and, you know, with my books and podcasts and everything?
I mean...
I think that we need to be careful when we're being realistic.
I'm not saying stick your head in the sand and act like there's nothing wrong.
I talk about plenty of things that are wrong in the world and so on, but I think that these things can become self-fulfilling prophecies.
I think if you think that, oh my gosh, whoever you think are the evil elites or globalists or people who want to just run things and enslave humanity, I think if the narrative is pushed that this is just inevitable and it's going to happen and it's hopeless and there's nothing you can do about it, I think it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because demoralization is incredibly powerful.
I mean, if you want to completely crush an enemy, then you demoralize them to the point where they don't even fight because they don't think that they can even win.
tim pool
Or they join you.
zuby
Or they join you, exactly.
tim pool
Let's grab one more super chat from TechRoo.
He says, come on man, furry hate again?
Libertarian and conservative furries think you're awesome.
We smash the like button and even subscribe with cash money.
There are weirdos in every genre.
I'll go on the show.
I mean, no, I agree with that.
I've been saying that because we've had a bunch of people who were like, dude, I literally don't care what people do when they're engaging in their own personal, you know, life choices or styles or whatever.
I learned this as a lesson when I was a kid, and I told the story before that when we started skating, the cool thing was to wear skin-tight jeans.
The older guys in their 20s wore really big baggy jeans, and they made fun of us.
And we laughed at them for being old and out of touch.
Then when I got older, the younger kids started wearing dickies that went down to their ankles, like floods.
And then all the people that were my age started making fun of them, being like, look at those idiots wearing flooded pants.
And I was like, bro, you're saying exactly what that dude said about you for wearing tight jeans.
And he was like, well, yeah, I know, but tight jeans are cool and those are dumb.
And I'm like, no, dude, you're dumb.
And then like, I just started wearing regular jeans.
Cause I'm like, everybody just do whatever you want, man.
Like just don't hit people, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, man.
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show and head over to Timcast.com.
We're going to have the uncensored After Hours show coming up at about 11 PM tonight.
You can follow the show at Timcast IRL.
You can follow me personally everywhere at Timcast Zubi.
Do you have anything to shout out?
zuby
Yeah, sure.
You can follow me at Zubymusic, that is Z-U-B-Y music, and go to teamzuby.com if you want to check out my music, merchandise, everything else.
And my children's book, The Candy Calamity, is out now with Brave Books, and you can get that at candycalamity.com.
mary morgan
If you want to see me again, you can find me on Instagram or WeChat at Closer Kitty.
And I also demand that you go subscribe to Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube.
We go live at 3 p.m.
Eastern, noon Pacific Time, every Monday through Friday.
Go check it out.
tim pool
And at TimCast.com soon.
It'll be on the homepage.
mary morgan
Yes.
ian crossland
You guys, follow me at iancrossland.net.
I want to shout out everyone in the chat that's got the Zuby, taking the Zuby pill.
We got Justin Henry, Neomix with the Z pill.
That's what it's all about, dudes.
Thanks for coming, man.
zuby
Appreciate it, guys.
ian crossland
Thanks for making the book, too.
That's super cool.
zuby
No doubt.
ian crossland
And one special shout out to Tim's big, beautiful rooster that's up in, I was going to say Central Park, but maybe we can do that at some point.
Times Square.
tim pool
Wanted to just get a 96-foot billboard of my Roberto Jr., you did good, man.
ian crossland
I'm proud of you, buddy.
lydia smith
Well, speaking of the black pill and the white pill and the Zuby pill, I do have to say that Zuby's Twitter is actually an excellent source of positivity.
One of the only ones that I have found to be consistently uplifting on Twitter.
So I feel like he's single handedly making the platform into something good, which is very encouraging to see.
So thank you for doing that.
Thank you for coming on the show tonight.
Thank you guys all for joining us tonight.
Yes, go follow pop culture crisis.
Politics is downstream of culture.
We know that for sure.
You guys can follow me on twitter and mines.com at sarahpatchlitz as well as sarahpatchlitz.me.
tim pool
We will see all of you at timcast.com and the Uncensored After Show.
Thanks for hanging out.
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