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Timcast IRL - Democrat Infanticide Position Escalating Calls For Civil War w/ Kurt Schlichter
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tim pool
you so pro-abortion house oversight committee witnesses refused
to denounce infanticide in what may be one of the weirdest hearings I've
ever seen.
They were just outright asked, like, how do you feel about it?
And they're like, I'm not answering that.
I refuse.
I refuse the premise.
Women are allowed to get abortions.
And it's like, okay, hold on a minute.
Like, it's not hard just to say no to this.
And apparently there were three witnesses that rejected this.
And so what's freaking me out here is now we got Matt Walsh, good friend Matt Walsh.
He's posted the coming civil war is going to be weird and that he can't live with these people.
He doesn't care.
He hates them.
They hate him.
We can't live this way.
And this rhetoric isn't just coming from, say, Matt Walsh.
It's just he's trending on Twitter right now because of it.
We have an article from, I believe it's Salon, saying that Donald Trump must be charged with treason.
We have, uh, I published an op-ed in Newsweek today addressing the smears and the lies from the January 6th committee about me.
And all of this just says to me, you know, Matt Walsh is right.
I don't understand how, and you've heard me say it a million times, how we can move forward as a country when you have people who outright will not just plainly say like, oh yeah, infanticide is bad, come on.
I think one witness did and three were like, I'm not answering that question.
Why not?
That's how divergent our worldviews are.
We have that other clip with Josh Hawley, where the professor outright refuses to say whether it's a women's rights issue on abortion, and then talks about men getting pregnant, and there is just a divergent worldview that neither will accept.
Now you've got 80 or so Democrats calling for Joe Biden to declare a health emergency, effectively to bypass state rulings on this.
This country is on the verge of something truly crazy, and I'm not the only person who noticed that abortion is a strong moral issue, not unlike slavery, that could be a catalyst for something substantially worse than the crisis we're seeing now.
Maybe a civil war?
I don't know.
But when people just across the political space are outright saying yes to this, on both sides?
All right, well, I don't know what to tell you other than something crazy is gonna be happening, so we'll talk about that.
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With hyperinflation?
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kurt schlichter
Hey, Tim!
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
kurt schlichter
What are you doing in my studio?
lydia smith
What are you doing in my studio?
kurt schlichter
I know.
Who is this weird guy?
I am a noted Los Angeles trial lawyer.
I am a senior columnist at Townhall.com.
I'm a retired United States Army infantry colonel.
I want to emphasize I was not a judge advocate.
And I am the author of a new book, which is conveniently placed behind me and discusses
many of the topics that you've mentioned tonight, including national divorce, the possibility
of civil conflict, and what we do about it.
tim pool
We also got Libby.
She's back.
libby emmons
Hey, I'm back.
Super exciting.
Libby Emmons, editor of Post Millennial.
ian crossland
Oh, hello.
Also, I'm Ian Crosland.
Good to see you, everyone.
Good to see you, Kurt.
lydia smith
Hey!
ian crossland
Looking forward to hearing more about your book, because I've been thinking this is like every day we talk about this almost.
I mean, if it wasn't for the economy, I don't think that the moral stuff would be such a big issue.
But because of this inflation, I'm concerned.
Smirks of Weimar, Germany.
I'm getting this 1928 vibe.
kurt schlichter
It's, well, let's see, we've got hyperinflation, political chaos, bizarre perversions normalized.
Yeah, I think you got a good, I think we ought to be on the lookout.
I don't think that's crazy talk.
tim pool
Should we do an emergency food promo while we're at it?
lydia smith
No, no, probably not.
I think we're good on that count.
I'm excited to be back.
We love to have Kurt on.
We're going to keep it kind of low key this evening.
Love to have Libby back as always.
I'm excited to talk about that this evening.
tim pool
Right on, let's jump into this first story.
We have this tweet from the Washington Free Beacon.
A pro-abortion house oversight witness refuses to say if she agrees with infanticide.
Rep Norman, quote, do you support infanticide, killing a child after he is born?
Witness, I do not agree with the basis of that question, but I do believe that abortion is healthcare.
I'll play you the clip, but I want to show you this.
You scroll down.
A second witness refuses to say if she agrees with infanticide.
We don't have infanticide happening.
What I think is, based on your question, you have very low opinion of pregnant people.
Pregnant people?
A third pro-abortion witness refuses to say if she agrees with infanticide.
Could you answer that yes or no?
How you just characterized the representative's statement is extremely inflammatory.
Let me tell you something.
We had this progressive on, and he kept saying that late-term abortion doesn't happen.
Late-term abortion doesn't happen.
And I said, okay, I don't care.
I'm asking you why Democrats tried to legalize that recently.
Joe Manchin is the reason that didn't go through.
And he just says, but it doesn't happen.
Okay, bro, maybe it doesn't happen because it's illegal.
Maybe it's not allowed to happen.
Is that the point?
And if Democrats legalize it, it will happen?
Let me play this clip for you, because I want to talk about how insane things are getting.
ralph norman
I assume you agree with infanticide, the killing of a child, a perfectly healthy child at birth?
unidentified
I don't accept the basis of that question, but I do believe abortion is healthcare.
ralph norman
I'm talking about, do you agree, I know, I get that, but do you agree, I mean, are you in, do you support infanticide, killing a child after he's born?
unidentified
I do not agree with the basis of that question, but I do believe that abortion is healthcare.
tim pool
Why is it so difficult just be like, yeah, we shouldn't kill babies that are born?
Okay, next question.
ian crossland
Are these people considered witnesses right now?
kurt schlichter
They are witnesses.
I'm not sure they're sworn.
ian crossland
Are they allowed to be treated hostily?
kurt schlichter
Of course.
ian crossland
Then why don't they say, I'm going to treat this person hostile.
kurt schlichter
You mean cross examine them?
He's trying to. They look, they've obviously been highly prepared. Look, when I get a witness on a
stand, they're highly prepared. I usually, you know, I always have a jury there, right?
So juries seeing things. There's no jury here. This is all political propaganda. And what they
want to do is avoid making any concession to normal people about the normal idea
that you don't kill babies. Okay.
Not a radical notion, but they can't say that.
They don't want a clip of one of them out there going, you know, I think you'd be wrong if you killed a baby.
libby emmons
The other part of it, too, is they would have to, if they wanted to say that infanticide was wrong, right?
The next question would be, at what point in birth, at what age does the, you know, infant have to be during the gestation process for it to be infanticide?
So that's part of the issue.
tim pool
We've had these conversations with people on this show.
And they just refuse to answer and there's no answer.
And I've asked, we had a progressive, and I said, okay, there's two women.
They got pregnant the exact same time.
The babies have gestated for the exact same amount of time.
Eight and a half months.
One woman gets a c-section.
The baby is pulled from her womb.
The other one does not.
Can you abort the baby in the womb?
They say yes.
They're like, well, yeah, it's a woman's choice.
It's a woman's choice.
What about the baby who's born?
No, that would be wrong.
And I'm like, okay, wait, what?
Why?
kurt schlichter
Well, that's a big concession.
libby emmons
That's exactly what they didn't want to answer in the house today.
kurt schlichter
They don't want to have to say what abortion actually is, which is killing a baby.
libby emmons
They don't want us to call it murder.
kurt schlichter
They just don't want to say it.
libby emmons
I have a lot more respect for people who say, you know, I'm in favor of abortion and abortion is murder.
Because at least that's totally honest.
kurt schlichter
That's honest and direct.
I don't know if I have respect for them.
It's at least honesty.
You're a terrible, terrible human being but you're at least not lying to me about that particular thing.
libby emmons
And you're not lying to yourself.
These people are lying to themselves.
kurt schlichter
I think that's wrong because they don't believe any of it.
She knows what infanticide is.
She knows what a woman is.
tim pool
But do you know why they refuse to answer?
Because they will be attacked by the left.
kurt schlichter
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Because the goalposts move so rapidly on the left that their allegiance is to the cult and not to any morals.
So they're probably sitting there thinking like, if I say I oppose this and then in a week we're in favor of it, I'm gonna get canceled.
So I better not say anything other than whatever the approved line is.
libby emmons
And there is no cohesive value system, so there's nothing to base these judgments on.
kurt schlichter
It's what needs to be said.
Look, the left could just as easily have been radically pro-life if that was to their advantage.
They could be saying, we are not going to allow you to murder young babies, future Democrat welfare recipients.
We are not allowing that.
That's horrible.
That's a human life.
tim pool
But they don't have kids.
kurt schlichter
Well, there are reasons why they chose to go that way, but don't, I mean, the idea that some sort of moral choice of theirs, they would have gone the other way if it was useful to their agenda.
And has been in some countries.
tim pool
Maybe, maybe, but I think it's useful to their agenda, not in the way you're saying.
It's useful to their agenda because they don't like people, because they want to reduce the amount of people.
kurt schlichter
Well, that's true.
tim pool
This is the funny thing.
There's a meme.
You are the carbon they are trying to reduce.
libby emmons
But hold on.
tim pool
Bill Gates literally wrote that, I think it was in Reuters in 2018, saying poverty is expanding because poor people are having kids and we need to give them birth control to stop this.
And I'm like, they're quite literally saying less people because it's causing climate change.
So these Democrats don't want people.
The problem is when they are more likely to sterilize their kids, more likely to abort their kids, And conservatives are not.
The future is conservative.
It's just a simple mathematical equation.
kurt schlichter
You're right about that.
And I think if you watch this, they are conceding that normal people will find their beliefs repellent.
Now, even 30 years ago, when you had Bill Clinton, and you had people thinking, well, safe, legal, and rare, which was a brilliant formulation.
Gently pro-life people could go, well, you know, at least he's thrown an olive branch.
At least he says, you know, we all agree that this is a disfavored thing.
I had a leftist friend go, Kurt, no one is for abortion.
Well, we now know that's untrue.
tim pool
Can you show them the Lena Dunham quote where she said she wished she had an abortion?
She doesn't have a child.
She just wanted to kill one.
libby emmons
And there was also there was a Lindy West right who came out with that book pro and it was like we are pro abortion that's what we need to start going with now.
kurt schlichter
But these people when they're doing politics not in their own personal echo chamber they are trying desperately not to show normal people what they really think because you go out to a normal person And one who may be a little bit kind of, well, you know, she's gotten in trouble.
It's the first few weeks.
I can deal with that.
But you go, yeah, you can abort this kid pretty much until he gets his driver's license.
And they're just going, what is wrong with you?
No normal human being says eight and a half, eight months, three weeks, and go ahead and abort.
No normal person.
They're like, what are you talking about?
libby emmons
That's crazy.
That's way past the point of viability.
kurt schlichter
Well, it's insane.
libby emmons
Yes, it's insane.
kurt schlichter
But their logic, I think it was Vosch.
tim pool
And I think it was on this show, he was asked, I think it was when we had Charlie Kirk and Vosch on, when does life begin?
And Vosch said, sometime after birth.
unidentified
Yeah, I think so.
libby emmons
Right, that's insane.
kurt schlichter
Noted theologian boss.
ian crossland
That sounds like a misspeak if he said that.
tim pool
No, it's not.
ian crossland
Because you're obviously alive when you're born.
tim pool
No, they genuinely, there have been arguments from more extreme pro-abortion individuals that memories don't form until three months after you're born.
kurt schlichter
Oh, it's now memories.
libby emmons
So you need to have memories in order to be alive.
kurt schlichter
Well, I want to clarify that because these are the same people who insist we eat bugs so we don't slaughter cattle and pigs.
Are pigs and cattle alive?
And so why?
tim pool
It's not about that.
It's about climate change.
Well, it's about power.
They're not saying to eat crickets because they want to save the animals.
I mean, some people are.
They're saying cows fart too much.
Like AOC put out that thing where it was like, farting cows!
kurt schlichter
So they put crickets in your food.
But of course, the real reason they want us to eat bugs is because it's degrading, humiliating, and we enjoy eating beef.
And that we are peasants and we need to suffer.
tim pool
I disagree.
I disagree.
I think it's actually much, much simpler than that.
Crickets are cheap.
Crickets are cheap, and if you can start a cricket company... They're not that cheap!
kurt schlichter
I used to buy crickets for my Euromastix lizards.
Damn things cost a lot.
libby emmons
They'll be cheaper once they're mass-produced.
tim pool
Do you know how long it takes to raise beef cattle?
kurt schlichter
It takes a while.
tim pool
A couple years.
I was talking to the farmer and I said, you get all this beef, they got tenderloin and stuff, it's amazing, I love it.
And I said, how long from the cow being born until they're ready to be chopped up?
And they're like, two years.
A cricket is like a week.
And so you get a big vet, you mass-produce garbage, cheap protein crickets, and here's what happens.
You're like, not only is it cheap to make, but it's easy to pulverize, produce this food.
Now you need to convince people to buy it.
It's cheap to make, and there's an opportunity to invest.
So people like Bill Gates, these other people, I don't know if he's doing this, but they invest in cricket production, and then they start dumping money into news programs being like, oh, you gotta eat the crickets!
kurt schlichter
Everybody's gotta eat bugs!
tim pool
Their companies start doing better and better and better.
libby emmons
And then they put out videos of Nicole Kidman eating bugs, and everybody loves it.
tim pool
Yeah, what did you call it?
libby emmons
Gawk.
kurt schlichter
Gawk.
After Tom Cruise, it's the second weirdest thing she's eaten.
Look, no, I think we're overlooking Remember, Marxism, this whole leftist woke thing, is really a psychodrama and it's about their feels.
There is a certain joy in compelling other people to do degrading things, and it is degrading to eat bugs.
Steak is the food of a citizen, of a proud male or female, a proud human being.
And bugs are what you give to servants and serfs.
And they get off on that.
tim pool
You know what I love?
There was like a post where someone said, 80% of the world eats bugs.
unidentified
No!
tim pool
And then it showed, well, it showed people eating bugs.
And then someone responded with like, the reason they eat bugs is because they're poor.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
tim pool
Like, to the extent that we're not, you're not saying they do it because they're proud to do it.
They're doing it because they have no choice.
kurt schlichter
To the extent that they're slurping up millipedes like the dogs in Lady and the Tramp.
I'm sorry.
Cricket does not taste good.
No!
tim pool
We had cricket.
kurt schlichter
It's not good.
It's nobody's first choice.
The first choice of any human being is a delicious grilled ribeye.
tim pool
Tenderloin.
unidentified
I would say pasta.
tim pool
Carbs!
unidentified
Glutens!
libby emmons
Every time.
Every time.
tim pool
Be gone with ye.
kurt schlichter
I had a filet bouillonnaise on some pasta last night.
And let me tell you, I needed a cigarette and a cuddle after.
ian crossland
Kurt, you said that the left could easily have just been You know what I think it is?
kurt schlichter
but they've been useful to them.
ian crossland
Does it, do you think that this iteration of the left, meaning, I don't know what, how you would define it exactly,
is it like a communist radical attempt at an overthrow of the current state of governance?
kurt schlichter
I think it, you know what I think it is? I think it is a bunch of perpetual Wellesley sophomores
living out their daddy psychodrama issues and the guys who are trying to have sex with them.
And I think that that is really the essence. I think it is a, I think they are,
there is a space in everybody to be filled with some sort of spirituality.
You know, maybe you are a Christian, maybe you are an Orthodox Jew,
maybe you are just kind of spiritual in general, maybe you have some sort of rational belief
system which doesn't involve a guy, but you fill it with something that's not crazy.
unidentified
Yes.
kurt schlichter
But if you don't fill it with something that's not crazy, it gets filled with something that's
crazy.
That's why these guys have this religious mindset, complete with heretics, us, we're
all heretics, they'd happily burn us, and sacraments like abortion.
tim pool
But this is why apostates are so bad and heavily targeted, people who are like, they really
don't like people who were woke and then walk away.
kurt schlichter
Look, you were associated with the left, and they hate you.
tim pool
So Prager, you had that Dave Rubin thing, why I left the left, and then I told him,
I was like, you gotta make a video called How the Left Left Me.
And I was like, because my position stayed basically the same.
It's like that Elon Musk meme that was actually a Colin Wright meme, showing how the left
has just continually gone insane.
And the infanticide abortion thing is the perfect example.
A year ago they were like, it's not happening, you're crazy.
Now they're like, I'm not answering that question, I refuse.
Like we are inching towards them to where they get to the point where they're gonna be like,
well, you call it infanticide, but if the child is malformed or has some mental issue.
kurt schlichter
Or inconvenient.
tim pool
You know what's crazy to me?
There's a meme, I see these leftist posts, and it shows like a slum house covered in graffiti
and a child sleeping on a scuzzy mattress.
And it said, just because he was born mean he was saved. And I was like, are you advocating for
killing that child? Like it's all, it's Are you saying it shouldn't be alive?
libby emmons
That's brutal.
This is the thing they always say, right?
It's like, oh, you only care for children before they're born, but if you would care for them afterwards, we wouldn't have to abort them.
And it's like, what are you talking about?
I have to kill him.
tim pool
You don't care?
libby emmons
You don't care.
kurt schlichter
Well, you know, it may be a little rude to our leftist friends, but you know, Marxists murdered 100 million people in the last century.
libby emmons
That's inconvenient.
tim pool
Those are inconvenient facts.
kurt schlichter
They're just Cambodians, right?
tim pool
I love this, there's a meme from Existential Comics, or Existentialist Comics that I see posted all the time, and it's like, it says something dumb, it's like, we're made to believe that communism is bad because a famine happened once.
And I'm like, yo, once?
libby emmons
How about every time?
tim pool
100 million dead?
Man, these people are absolutely insane.
But let's get to the escalation of this by throwing it to our good friend, Matt Walsh.
Matt Walsh tweeted, These hearings on abortion are instructive.
The liberal witnesses have refused to condemn infanticide, refused to define the word woman, and claimed that men can get pregnant.
We cannot share a country with these people.
There can be no unity.
They are lunatics and monsters.
I don't respect them.
I have nothing in common with them.
I detest everything they believe and stand for.
They feel the same about me.
We simply cannot go on this way.
Matt previously had tweeted, So it may be a bit silly.
A lot of people keep denying the reality of what's happening in this country.
But I don't think Matt's wrong when he says he detests them.
I certainly believe he does.
But they feel the same way about him.
They certainly do.
So at a certain point we are inching towards what many people refer to as, at the very least, peaceful divorce.
Peaceful, peaceful divorce.
kurt schlichter
I have a chapter of that in my book right there.
We'll be back Fall and Rise of America.
I have to mention it like every time because otherwise Regnery will keep my family hostage.
tim pool
So, real quick, I want to ask you about that.
We talked about this a while back, that abortion could be the moral catalyst, like slavery was.
Some people might not think so, maybe, maybe not.
It could be a combination of things.
I think it's possible that we're in the Bleeding Kansas phase of Civil War.
kurt schlichter
Not quite.
We're not shooting yet, but I do talk about Bleeding Kansas.
tim pool
Aaron Danielson was shot twice in the chest in Portland.
libby emmons
That's true.
kurt schlichter
Not in a systemic way.
tim pool
I don't agree.
I think the issue is when you look back at Bleeding Kansas, this was an era where we didn't have the kind of communications or technology we had.
So people are more tactful in their strategies for warfare.
Which is, they're trying to manipulate people to gain public power and access to resources, and direct violence doesn't work as effectively, or it's not effective at all these days, in most circumstances.
So when you look at the past several years, when you look at the 529 insurrection, when leftists broke the barricades down in front of the White House, set fire to St.
John's Church, torched the guard post, and forced the president into a bunker, and then the media defended it.
I pulled up an article from 529, this was mind-blowing.
And it said that the Democrats wanted an inquiry on the police actions.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
After the left firebombed a church and a guard post and the president was forced in the bunker, the Democrats were like, we need to know what the police were doing.
libby emmons
Well, and they did do that investigation.
tim pool
Right.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And then you get January 6, which is all of a sudden now it's the apocalypse.
I feel that, look, for those that don't know, Bleeding Kansas was a territorial, it was Kansas, there was a civil war effectively within the state over whether or not it would be a slave state, and it never stopped.
Bleeding Kansas didn't end, the civil war just started.
kurt schlichter
No, no, Bleeding Kansas, I talk about in there, was essentially dispersed, decentralized cavalry units raiding various civilian outposts, and there were a large number of deaths.
Look, you are right that the predicate condition does exist. That is people in significant numbers
accepting the use of intimidation and violence to affect political change. And
we see that even we even saw it this week with you know I'm going to go get in
getting Kavanaugh's face as he's eating a ribeye because ribeye is of course
fantastic during its underlying.
And they get in his face.
Now, if you get in someone's face, you're not persuading him.
You're trying to force him to go your way.
You have left politics.
You have left persuasion.
You've left, you know, the system.
You're now using intimidation.
So if you get in his face, where is the moral guardrail that keeps you from slapping his face to make him do it?
And if that doesn't work, where is the guardrail that keeps you from shooting him in the face?
libby emmons
So you are- There was an assassin.
kurt schlichter
And there was.
libby emmons
There was.
kurt schlichter
So you are correct that there are a significant number who are accepting the premise that you can use violence to affect change.
Keep in mind, 50 years ago, we had a low-grade urban insurgency.
We had the Weather Underground, Bly Panthers, Symbionese Liberation Army, DEATH TO THE FASCIST INSECT!
Greatest, greatest tagline for a revolutionary group ever.
Um, and it was treated as a law enforcement matter.
But there were bombings all over the place.
Read Days of Rage.
Bombings all over the place.
A large number of killings.
It was suppressed through law enforcement.
But that was a very low-grade type of insurgency.
When I talk about civil war, and I discuss, I have two chapters, I discuss red against a blue government, blue against a red people, or a red government.
You know, there is a spectrum of conflict.
But you are correct about the predicate, which is people accepting the idea that violence is an acceptable means to affect political change.
And unfortunately, there are a number of people on the left who do that.
I don't know how great that number is.
tim pool
Doesn't matter?
kurt schlichter
It does matter, because if it starts getting 40-50%, then you've got a real problem.
tim pool
How many people fought in the Civil War?
kurt schlichter
See, that's when it becomes 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 percent.
tim pool
10 percent.
kurt schlichter
Yes, but the people supported them.
libby emmons
Who would fight, though, in our situation?
Like, who would be out there fighting?
So the question is, like, the Patriot Front versus Antifa?
tim pool
That's Bleeding Kansas level.
kurt schlichter
That is Bleeding Kansas, and that is one of the things.
Small, informal militias battling it out.
What's the government do?
Does the government send in the CAF?
libby emmons
Yeah, we haven't seen that.
kurt schlichter
But not in large... We did see it in... It does exist in bits and pieces, but it's not systemic.
libby emmons
We had rioting in Portland for 120 days.
kurt schlichter
Yes.
tim pool
Firebombing federal buildings.
kurt schlichter
Yes, correct.
tim pool
We had since... when did it start?
unidentified
2017?
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
The battle for Berkeley.
Right, right, right.
The CHAZ in multiple cities.
Even until recently, you had the autonomous zone in Minneapolis.
Look, People were shot and killed.
They lit up a white SUV with like hundreds of rounds of 5.56, because teenagers were in it, and they heard a fake report on the radio from cops that white supremacists were going to come and attack them.
kurt schlichter
Look, there are... the conditions are...
tim pool
I don't think they're separate.
In Provo, Utah, a BLM supporter ran up to a car and shot a driver for no reason.
These things keep happening.
kurt schlichter
They exist, but they're not systemic fighting of the kind that we saw in bleeding cancers, but they could become it.
And right now they're in urban environments where you have a unique set of conditions.
You always have a DA who won't prosecute.
You always have a weak government.
You always have a police force that is unwilling or unable to take action.
And interestingly, even when they were talking about sending in military forces, and I was part of the military force that suppressed the LA riots.
So I have seen this in operation.
I've seen it happen.
I was part of it.
You have governors who simply will not cooperate with that.
tim pool
That's where it starts to get crazy.
kurt schlichter
It does start to get crazy.
We haven't got there yet.
My contention is we could get there.
I'd like to take the off-ramp and not get there.
ian crossland
What's the off-ramp?
libby emmons
Yeah, what is that?
kurt schlichter
Well, look, the obvious off-ramp is to convince a critical mass of Americans to go back to essentially the rule of law and the Constitution.
But can we do that?
libby emmons
And they disagree with the premise of the Constitution.
kurt schlichter
Well, how many do?
We're going to find out!
libby emmons
They talk about this all in school, right?
Because Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder and so we have to disrupt the entire foundation of society.
kurt schlichter
And they want to increase the number of people who have this disgusting Marxist critique of the Constitution.
And if they succeed, yeah, we're gonna have a real problem.
And those people all get book deals.
libby emmons
What's his name, like Ellie Mistal?
Who's gonna read Ellie Mistal's book?
kurt schlichter
He's all over MSNBC!
Who watches MSNBC?
Weirdos, Losers, and Mutations.
libby emmons
No, but these are the people who you're saying we're going to be fighting, right?
The people who watch MSNBC.
tim pool
MSNBC's ratings are like 100k.
It's like really abysmal.
And then it's like people in their 60s.
So yesterday, I pulled up an article explaining the sentiment for union support for the Civil War.
And you know what the view was, at least according to this historical reference?
The view was the union thought the confederacy had been taken over by a conspiracy of elites
that were subverting the constitutional rights of the people and that they had to free these states
from an elite conspiracy. They believed that these elites were denying personhood rights.
And I said, oh, that sounds like something a Trump supporter would say about today,
that Democrats are subverting the constitution, locking down churches,
that they're denying personhood to babies.
I was like, it's not one for one, but there's a parallel.
The reason why I say bleeding Kansas phase is not to claim that literally bleeding Kansas is happening one for one, like it's identical.
It's that we're in the escalation of conflict pre-Civil War, which eventually, it's the violence that occurs before a formal Civil War.
And the reason why I say that, for one, everything we've already said, but my point is, we can't expect everything happening now to be identical to what happened back then for a variety of reasons.
I mean, technology is one.
The other issue is that we are not arguing over which states will enter the union and support a cause.
We're talking about which states already do actively support abortion to the point of birth or even after birth, like Virginia tried to do with Northam.
Those states are already ideologically in those camps.
So it's looking more like a Spanish Civil War or maybe akin to... No, it's ideological.
kurt schlichter
It's not geographic.
So you've got phalangists against leftists.
tim pool
It's becoming geographic.
kurt schlichter
Although I don't see us as phalangists.
tim pool
It's becoming geographic.
Take a look at Minneapolis.
So we talked about this the other day.
There's a video you may have seen of the fat old dude in tighty-whities twerking in front of the little girl.
And a woman walks up to the little girl and waves, and motions the little girl, and the little girl waves.
That happened in public.
In full view of parents, they wanted the little girl to engage with it.
But I guarantee you, if I give that video, if I took it and I went to an advertising agency and said, I want this, it's a pride event in public with families and kids, it's wholesome, nobody's nude, they're all fully clothed, and I want it on a billboard in Times Square, they would say, get out of this building, this is disgusting, what are you doing?
But why is it then that it would be allowed in public in these cities?
Where are the people like us that would say that's bad to actually be on the ground in those places to tell them to stop?
Why is it that Libs of TikTok posted this video?
A father said, I'm going to read for you this book.
And the guy said, you can't read that.
It's illegal.
And he said, but it's in our schools.
Why is it that these things are being allowed to happen?
It's because the culture in these places has moved to a degree where they accept these things regardless of law.
When the law stops being enforced, and that's what we're seeing, then eventually you'll see similar arguments we saw in the Civil War, which is, why are we party to a country in which the law is only enforced against us, but never against those who wrong us?
kurt schlichter
Look, you are absolutely correct.
You're talking about the predicate conditions for civil conflict.
And one of them is a dual-track justice system, which we are seeing in space.
I mean, look at the J6 people.
That's just, you know, guys sitting in there in jail for a year and a half.
Where's their speedy trial for their misdemeanors?
And it is unsustainable.
Now, how are we going to solve it?
Well, one way to solve it is political action.
We either have courts that stand up and do the right thing, or we have elections where we take power back and, you know, the next president pardons all these guys.
Or we go outside the political process.
And outside the political process, which is where you've accurately pointed, the left is gone.
Well, that could be really scary.
And there is a continuum of that.
There is a continuum of civil conflict.
And it worries the hell out of me.
Because as you know, I served in Kosovo, served where there was a civil war.
We are in the ruins of it.
And I would walk through ruined villages.
And I remember one village, it looked like it was just blown down, just bombed down.
I said, wow.
I told my Muslim interpreter, man, this is horrible.
But I don't see any blast marks, any flame marks.
And he said, no, no, no.
The enemy of this town came here with crowbars and sledgehammers and literally disassembled this town into wreckage.
That was the level of hatred.
tim pool
I was reading about the French Revolution.
And I was reading about Robespierre and Danton, I think you mentioned.
And the crazy thing about it is that, correct me if I'm wrong, because I think you were reading about this.
It was basically a bunch of people terrified of each other thinking, if I don't kill them, they'll kill me.
ian crossland
It's usually what it comes to.
I think Robespierre eventually turned on his brother in arms, which was Danton.
The two of them together sparked the revolution.
And then nobody would stand up to defend him.
There's a quote I read.
It's not about you.
It's about the revolution and Roops here was like, I'm a better speaker than you and you'll
be executed.
tim pool
And then nobody would stand up to defend him.
There's a quote I read.
They said they cared less about their convictions and more about presenting their virtue.
libby emmons
That's like what's going on now.
tim pool
They feared that if they spoke up and said, this is wrong, they would be condemned along with him.
And he was executed for it.
Danton was executed.
And that's when I was reading into this because I saw a quote from, I think it was Plato maybe, where he said something.
What's the quote?
I tweeted it.
That the penalty for refusing to be engaged is to be ruled by evil men or something to that effect.
And then I remembered the quote from Dan Tong.
What did he say?
Oh, it is better to be a fisherman than meddle in the government of men.
ian crossland
Or a poor farmer.
I think he said poor farmer.
tim pool
Fisherman.
ian crossland
Fisherman, was it?
Accentuating the poor.
To be in poverty than to be meddle in the politics.
tim pool
And so I was like, pick your poison.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Do nothing and be ruled by evil.
Meddle.
Get your head chopped off.
And so I started reading about Danton and Robespierre, and it really, like, I read a cursory article talking about it, and it was really very much like these disparate factions were all, it was a Mexican standoff.
They were all staring at each other like, which one is going to be the one that tries to kill us next?
kurt schlichter
So then they were like... Sounds like the Spanish Civil War on the communist side.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
kurt schlichter
Because when they weren't fighting Franco's guys, they were killing each other.
tim pool
I mean, in... Probably why Franco ended up winning, right?
kurt schlichter
Franco did.
Franco won pretty darn decisively.
Um, and that is one of the, one of the problems of the left.
You know, when they're engaged, you know, you've got to win or you die for kind of the conservative side.
They don't really want to be engaged.
So it's not, you know.
tim pool
Forrest Cooper brought this up.
He said that, uh, the people who are good at violence don't want to be involved in it.
And that should tell you something.
kurt schlichter
That is true.
tim pool
The guys who have seen it, who've experienced it, who are trained in it are like, please stop, please stop.
kurt schlichter
Yeah, and one of the problems with the left is, well, I mean, look at the Oval Day footage of the cops milling around.
Yeah, cops milling around for, you know, that's one untrained little mutant, 18 years old,
not tactically proficient.
He's got a weapon, but there's like 20 of them.
And they won't rush him.
What are they going to do about 400,000 guys who are trained and who are ideologically committed and who aren't 18?
tim pool
Even a few thousand.
You ever tried building a house of cards?
libby emmons
Even five.
What would they do against five guys?
kurt schlichter
Look at what happened in Boston.
Two mutants.
Mm-hmm two little mutants. That's right Shut down Boston two guys with handguns and the occasional
pressure cooker bomb shut down Boston Have you ever tried to build a house of cards?
tim pool
You know you get plenty. Yeah, sure. It's it's it's it's it's tough
It's a lot of time and energy and then someone can go Yep, a tiny tiny and the whole thing comes crumbling down
My point is it is extremely difficult to build a complex machine. It is extremely easy to disrupt one
kurt schlichter
I look at it as a Jenga tower.
You know the little game, you have little blocks.
And the leftists, first of all, you gotta understand the leftists, our ruling class, inherits this Jenga Tower.
They didn't build it.
They're cultural trust fund babies.
It was handed to them.
They got their credentials at Harvard and then they took their jobs running the institutions, which they have no particular appreciation of or even understanding of.
They just got it and they use them for their own power.
And they think they can pull out these things from the Jenga Tower because it never never occurred to them how hard it is to build that tower
and it never occurred to them that could possibly collapse. But it can. And that's been going
libby emmons
on for a long time. It's been going on since the 70s. There's this great play by Jules Feiffer
called Little Murders and I don't know if you know the play but everything's getting destroyed in New
York City and it's this wild story where the police are trying to figure out who there's
like a shooter.
Every time you go outside, people are getting shot.
The murders are just skyrocketing as they were in New York City and you have the police being like, this is a conspiracy to make the police look bad because we can't figure out who's killing everybody.
But one of the characters is finally just like, destroy, destroy, destroy, when are you going to find time to build?
And it's like, all of these people have taken over the institutions.
Camille Paglia talked about this as well.
She said the real Marxists went out and lived on communes, and all of the fakers ended up in the universities.
kurt schlichter
That's true.
That's absolutely true.
Do you think in the age of bug protein, they're not going to be able to get themselves a top Sterling?
libby emmons
I mean, they're gonna be able to do it.
Hunter Biden is always going to be able to get a top ceremony.
And a nice piece of ass.
kurt schlichter
It's always going to be vitally important that Leonardo DiCaprio fly to Davos to lecture
us on our carbon footprint.
tim pool
I want to bring up this article here from Salon.
Was this finally enough?
Trump and his terrorist confederates must be prosecuted.
Trump treason is trending and our treason is trending and it's about Trump and this is one of the articles.
I don't I don't care to read the article for the most part.
It just goes through January 6th stuff.
It shows people who testified.
It says enough is enough.
We've heard this.
We know what Trump has been planning.
Trump called for supporters blah blah blah.
It doesn't matter what the sentiment is beyond.
You right now have prominent media outlets, politicians, demanding that the other side be imprisoned, prosecuted, shut down.
They're irredeemable.
I mean, we've heard deplorable, and that was a while ago, but now it's irredeemable, insurrectionists, people have been...
lydia smith
Christofascists.
kurt schlichter
Christofascists!
tim pool
Whatever.
They're saying the other side is evil and we know it and they have to be stopped.
There's no negotiating with people who believe this.
No, you just have to beat them.
In what, elections?
kurt schlichter
Well, you can beat them in the political process.
Hopefully that's the way you do it. Look, I mean, in the book I talk a lot about ancient Rome and
there's some parallels there, you know? Instead of fighting, you know, up the course of honor to
become consul or questor or whatever, you know, it's a lot easier just to, you know, charge your
opponent with treason. Get him out of the way. Right. Chop his head off. Using the law enforcement
tim pool
apparatus to go after people. And this is what the January 6th Committee is. But is it will
Republicans ever do anything? Of course they won't. I don't know. I think that, look.
kurt schlichter
When John Cornyn collaborated on the stupid gun control thing, there were 14-hour Republicans who joined him.
15 Republicans, right?
libby emmons
On the recent gun thing.
kurt schlichter
The bipartisan sellout thing.
Safer communities.
libby emmons
Total garbage.
kurt schlichter
And of course, there's a killing the next day.
It would have been 35, 10 years ago.
The Republican Party, because there has to be a party of the right, and the party of the right is going to be ascendant because of the insanity of the left.
It looks like insanity to normals, to us it looks like a plan.
And also their failure to run the institutions correctly.
$7 gas, just intolerable.
They're moving to the right, and the Republican Party will become more conservative.
And the Democrat Party is going to face a choice between going even more hardcore progressive or doing what they had to do after eight years of Reagan and four years of Bush, too, which is go more moderate.
It's a 50-50 government.
It's always 50-50 because there are two parties.
The Democrats, unless they want to be out, as long as they I think the issue is the younger generation is particularly more partisan and more zealous on both sides.
a a a rump resistance and let the uh you know right wing rule
tim pool
then they won't have to change i think the issue is the younger generation is particularly more partisan and
kurt schlichter
more zealous on both sides yeah but that's always true so
tim pool
why would someone whose world view uh matt walsh for instance to go back to
what he said that we don't agree that we i despise them they they feel the same way about me
It's one thing when it's the 90s and you can see the political overlap according to Pew and it's like moderate overlap in their worldviews.
Today it's completely disparate.
Today it's parents who are bringing their kids to drag shows.
And parents who think that's child abuse.
The kids who grew up in these houses are never going to go and agree with that.
I mean, look, when you get to the point where an old man in tighty-whities is twerking to a little girl, and they're cheering for and waving to him, and the rest of the country thinks that's like a criminal offense, the kids who are raised in these environments are going to be even further away from each other.
libby emmons
Well, and they're not even going to know where to find it.
They're not going to know where to find values or morals or something different than that.
On the left?
Yeah, they're not going to know where to find it.
tim pool
But it doesn't matter.
libby emmons
Right, but they wouldn't even know if they wanted it.
tim pool
They don't have them.
They don't want them.
They won't want them.
They will grow up around all of that stuff, debauchery, and think this is fine, and then people on the right will have traditional American values, and they'll be like, people are out of their minds.
libby emmons
I think the one thing that's missing is I don't think, I think a lot of kids will grow
up and think that it's not fine.
And they're not going to know where to look to find the thing to fill that total void
that's just all depravity.
They're not going to know where to look.
I think conservatives have done a really poor job in saying over the past, whatever, 50
years, saying, oh, you don't want our values.
Okay, you can do whatever you like and not taking a stand and not saying, you know, yes, we do need to have a moral structure.
We do need to have this civil religion where we do have shared values.
It's at the point now where, like, when I talk to people, We don't even have the same value system.
We don't even agree on how to conduct ourselves in public.
kurt schlichter
Well Libby's right because I do think there is the potential for the next generation to embrace actual real values.
But it is You know, look, here's my example.
Remember 10 years ago when we were told that Latinx Americans were going to be the Democrats' way to future dominance?
That this would be a subservient, poor caste that would forever belong to the Democrat Party, living on scraps from the Democrats, and lo and behold, 50% of Latinx, and I just love that word.
I just love Latinx.
Or is it Latinx?
Honey, what do you think?
libby emmons
I thought it was Latinx.
kurt schlichter
It's Latinx.
tim pool
Latino, Latina, Latinx.
libby emmons
Yeah, I'm joking.
kurt schlichter
I just like saying Latinx, Professor X. I want to see a couple of leftists fight it out with poll cues over the pronunciation.
But regardless, the Latinx Americans did not cooperate.
Half of them are now Republican, according to polls, because they didn't want this stuff, and they didn't want to be poor, and they didn't want to be subservient, and they didn't want to be certs.
And I, look, I think there, yes, we need to reach out to people because we've done a terrible job.
Right now the Republican Party is gliding along going, look at that desiccated old fossil masquerading as a president.
Oh man, that's great!
He's terrible!
We're gonna win!
But what are we offering?
libby emmons
We need to offer culture.
unidentified
We do need to offer culture.
libby emmons
And God.
ian crossland
I don't want cults telling you what God is.
You just got to feel it because it's there.
It's vibrating.
It is judging.
It is you.
You are feeding it and it's creating you.
kurt schlichter
We don't need to be ashamed of what we believe in.
A lot of times it's like, well, you know, I'm religious, but you don't have to be.
Hey, I'm proud to be religious.
Look, I tried tolerance.
In the sense that everything was okay, and now they're trying to groom my kid in kindergarten.
All right, figuratively.
I don't have a kid in kindergarten.
But a lot of people do.
And that's when the whole tolerance thing changed.
tim pool
They are grooming kids.
kurt schlichter
Yeah.
libby emmons
They're not trying to.
They are actually doing it.
kurt schlichter
Well, some kids resist.
But look, the thing is, we need to stop with this thing.
Everything is cool.
Everything is not cool.
Okay?
It is not cool to have drag queens in schools, ever.
I don't care if it validates you.
I don't care if it's important to your emotional well-being.
It's weird and it's creepy and you're not grooming my kids and... Conservatives basically embraced relativism.
Yes, and that was a mistake.
libby emmons
That was a huge mistake.
kurt schlichter
Because what we're offering is the opposite of relativism.
We're offering a set of values that is proven over time.
libby emmons
Which will help you determine meaning in your life.
kurt schlichter
Exactly, and a set of policies.
libby emmons
Yes.
kurt schlichter
Look, We know how to fix crime.
Rudy Giuliani did in New York City.
libby emmons
He did a great job.
kurt schlichter
Remember New York City in the 80s?
It was Crime City.
We know how to fix the economy.
Reagan did it and Trump did it.
In a couple years, both of them had it booming.
We know how to do this.
How do you fix the border?
We know how to fix the border.
How do you fix the military?
We did it after Vietnam.
I know.
I was the beneficiary of it.
I write about it in the dang book.
We know how to do the policy stuff, but we need to get away from relativism.
I'm not ashamed to say my values are better than the values of a bunch of weirdo perverts who are trying to go out and groom on kids.
My values are much better than people who want to kill little babies.
My values are better and I'm gonna fight for them.
ian crossland
I'm a big fan of utilizing science to prove the existence of God, because I think that people of all persuasions can agree when you look through a radio telescope what you're looking at, for the most part.
Unless you're blind, unfortunately, but we'll fix your eyes.
And you start to see these frequencies moving in almost this intelligence of nature.
Like, it's becoming, even Einstein, I think, the more scientific he became, the more he started to believe in God.
I think by the end of his life, he actually believed in a God, even though He wasn't necessarily religious of any kind.
libby emmons
That was true with a lot of philosophers as well who like, you know, like Kant, you know, embarked on this whole conversation about essentially saying that there wasn't really a higher power, but he himself believed and he believed at the end of his life as well.
tim pool
I think there's a survey to find, like, most scientists believe in God or something like that.
libby emmons
And then you have all the people who are like, there's no such thing as God.
It's a simulation.
And you're like, oh.
unidentified
Then who made the simulation?
tim pool
Well, the argument, I love the simulation stuff because it's like the questions that philosophers and theologians have been asking for thousands of years are being asked for the first time by simulists who don't know they can find the answer to many of those questions in existing philosophy and theology.
kurt schlichter
Well, of course.
libby emmons
Or at least find the conversation.
kurt schlichter
And of course they think they've been educated because they have a degree from an Ivy League university and they come out and they are ignorant of their culture, their history, their past.
If you're ignorant of those things, you're going to be vulnerable to any nonsense.
tim pool
What did Prager call it?
Cut flower politics or something like that?
Is that cut flower?
Where he's like, you can snip the flower off from the stem in the pot and it looks beautiful and eventually it dies.
It's cut from its roots.
ian crossland
I think because these people have been emotionally disenfranchised, maybe they're psychoactive, and the water supply, plastics, God knows what, but like, they need to see the math to believe in a God.
Like, they're the people that will put an arm in a frozen chamber to watch it get frostbite to learn about frostbite.
unidentified
And those people need Science!
libby emmons
There's this crazy Japanese science fiction book where the guy eats himself methodically.
Yeah, he's like a cannibal and he just eats himself.
He eats himself one piece at a time.
It's very Japanese.
tim pool
I was gonna say it's a very interesting leap from the start of the segment on Trump being arrested for treason to a guy eating himself.
kurt schlichter
It's not as weird as the tentacles.
libby emmons
This is a spectacular book actually.
A woman ends up criminally punished for having done something and she gets she gets planted in a park like a tree and her family comes to visit her and she's a tree and eventually she's just this.
tim pool
A tree?
libby emmons
She's a tree.
kurt schlichter
Okay that's weird.
tim pool
Are you talking about like Junji Ito stuff or something?
libby emmons
I don't remember who wrote it.
For a while I was really obsessed with Japanese fiction and I read like all of Kobo Abe, who I think is just stupid brilliant, like so amazing.
But to your point about science, I was teaching catechism at my church for a while and there'd always be like a couple kids who were there whose moms are just making them go and they're like, I'm an atheist, Miss Libby.
I'm an atheist."
And I'd be like, okay, you could be an atheist.
God doesn't exist.
There's no afterlife.
And I'd be like, okay, so you're an atheist, so you're into science and stuff.
Yeah, you know.
And I was like, okay, so if energy can't be destroyed or created, what happens to your energy after you die?
And that would always, and I mean, it's very simple.
It's like nothing, right?
And they'd always be like, oh, I wonder.
And I'd be like, yeah, go wonder, and I'll see you next week.
And we'll talk more about, you know, the gospel according to Matthew.
tim pool
So what is going to happen to bring it back to what we were originally talking about?
ian crossland
We're looking for solutions.
The off-ramp.
I think it's God.
I think it's if people can start to believe and not feel bigger than their own body.
tim pool
You're jumping so far beyond.
It's like, you may as well just say, this problem will be solved once everything's good and the problem is solved.
ian crossland
There's a way to solve it.
tim pool
Getting people who are in a cult to break out of that cult is the challenge.
ian crossland
But okay, the problem is when people try and do it by telling them Christian God.
Because they're very resistant.
tim pool
But that's not what we're talking about.
That's not what's happening.
What's happening is beyond the religious.
Now certainly these people are inferring religion on a lot of these issues.
ian crossland
It doesn't have to be religious.
tim pool
But I don't understand what you're talking about.
ian crossland
We're talking about science.
I'm talking about unification.
Conscious unification.
We need to bring people together.
tim pool
So, let's slow down.
You have a faction that's in a cult.
You look at these journalists, like the NBC News team is fantastic.
You run their Twitter accounts through Ground.News, BiasFactChecker, and it's like 100% left-wing.
They don't consume or interact with any news that comes from the right.
None!
So they're in a bubble.
That's why they believe Kyle Rittenhouse lies, Covington Catholic lies.
That's why they believe Jesse Smollett.
How do you get people out of a cult?
Well, we know how.
You have to physically separate them from the cult and then help them re-acclimate to normal functioning society.
ian crossland
Or entice them to physically separate themselves.
tim pool
Well, that's literally what I just said.
ian crossland
You just said remove them.
You said physically remove them.
You could do that.
You could take a kid that's in a cult and put him in your car and drive away.
tim pool
There's multiple ways to get people out of cults.
The point is that people need to be separate from the cult.
Period.
I get it.
Get the semantics out of there.
So people have to be separate from the cult.
The problem is they have cell phones and the cell phones keep them attached with like an umbilical cord into the cult.
libby emmons
That's like Charlie Kirk said today, digital pacifier.
tim pool
Yes.
Whenever they're presented with information that would shock their system, they start breaking down and they retreat back to the cult and say, give me the things I need to believe.
How do you break someone out of a cult when they're wired into it?
That's the challenge.
Believing in God is irrelevant.
They're in a cult.
You won't get them to believe in God or find anything or self-reflect or even take psychedelics.
So long as they're in a cult.
But they're wired into it.
ian crossland
You can alter the well of the cult.
Like you can change an entire cult's belief system.
libby emmons
Well, that's what we're trying to do, right?
I mean, that's sort of what we're out here trying to do.
Like, hey, look at it this way, guys.
Look at it this other way.
You're looking at it from this very biased perspective.
And you know, it can be a little bit of like, I got my mom to stop watching Rachel Maddow, and then I got her to stop watching CNN.
And now she says things like, I'm proud of you.
tim pool
Please, there is one thing you need to do to anyone of your family members that is in the cult, that believes CNN, believes Brian Stelter.
Don't get mad at them.
Don't argue things with them.
Just send them the Twitter video from Libs of TikTok of the old man in tighty whities twerking for the little girl.
That's it.
Just send them that.
Say nothing else.
And then just send them videos like that with nothing else.
Don't say Donald Trump is good.
Don't make points.
Don't give your opinion.
Just show them a video.
Because they'll pull it up without knowing what it is, and they'll press play and go, huh!
kurt schlichter
Remember, it's very hard to convince people, but people do convince themselves.
A lot of people leave cults.
A lot of people chose to leave Scientology.
A lot of people chose to leave, what was it, Keith Raniere, the NXIVM.
Is that what it was?
NXIVM.
They left!
They eventually looked at it and it occurred to them, no, there's something wrong.
So a significant number will leave on their own.
We're talking the hardcore ones who are first in line to get the Kool-Aid.
But a significant number will leave.
And a lot of conservatives are former left.
I don't know a lot of leftists who are former actual conservatives.
The bulwark guys don't count.
tim pool
The issue is, don't message your family member saying, hey, you need to watch this video for this reason.
Don't do any of that.
Because we learned this from Brandon Strzok.
He said someone sent him a video.
Now in his instance, it worked, but he said someone sent him a video and he was like, I don't want to watch it.
I'm not going to watch it.
libby emmons
He has a really interesting story.
tim pool
And then he said, you know what?
I'll watch this to prove them wrong.
And the video woke him up.
So, the issue is, when you send someone a video as an argument, many people will resist and be like, no, I'm not watching your argument.
But if you just send a family member a video saying nothing, they might just go, what is it?
And press play.
And then they see a fat old man in tighty whities, twerking for a little girl, and people cheering and clapping for it, and they go, what is this?
Then you can tell them what it is.
ian crossland
It's clear, and it's like their spirit's like, oh my god, what have I been doing?
tim pool
Here's what people didn't understand.
When we are growing up, we are building a worldview in our minds, and by the time we're around 24-28, our mind has solidified on our worldview, for the most part.
And this is a survival tactic in evolution, that if you have made it this long, what you did works, don't deviate, you have learned.
When people are then presented with worldly information that contradicts their worldview, it is a threat to them, which is why they get angry and shut down or have panic attacks.
We have heard it over and over again from people like Brandon that when they were finally exposed to undeniable information, it was physically painful.
They felt physical pain.
It was like something was being purged from them.
People will resist that pain like a drug addict, which means you have to be careful, tactful, and precise when you're talking to them, when you're sharing information with them.
If you approach someone as an enemy, they will shut down.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
If you approach them as a friend, they will open up.
So, don't argue with your family members, insult them, listen to what they say and what they're concerned with, and then be like, wow, I didn't know that.
Check out this video.
And then just send them the twerking man.
ian crossland
You don't have to agree or disagree, too.
You can understand something without agreeing or disagreeing with it.
kurt schlichter
Well, remember, you're not using argument in the traditional way.
Look, when I go to a court, when I'm doing a case, I've got 12 people and they've got to sit there and the judge will yell at them if they're not listening.
So they have to at least receive it.
Whether I can convince them or not is a different question.
That's the power of my evidence, the power of my presentation.
Tim's absolutely right.
When you're trying to convince somebody to get out of the leftist cult, you have to let them want to do it.
There's a lot of pride.
If you find yourself in a position where you're defending a tighty-whitey guy twerking in front of kids, And you understand at some level that's bad?
You're ashamed because you've done that.
You don't have to rub their face in it.
Let them come around.
They gotta talk themselves out of it.
libby emmons
A lot of times they don't want to, right?
It feels good to be in a situation where everyone agrees with you.
kurt schlichter
It is.
tim pool
For boomers, that Tidy Whitey video is like a giant red suppository.
It's a painful wake-up call for a lot of people.
kurt schlichter
A lot of people didn't know it was that bad.
tim pool
And exactly, we've heard that, where people have told us, like, oh, my family member says, that's not true, that can't be happening.
We had Richie McGinnis' mom, old school feminist, and we're sitting here and I said, feminists are pro-war.
No, they aren't!
no they aren't!"
And then I said, okay, let's clarify then.
The people who wore the pink pussy hats are substantially more likely to be the ones waving
the flags of Ukraine advocating for US intervention in Eastern Europe into war.
And she went, what?
And Richie, her son, says, yeah, yeah, actually, that's true.
And she's older, and so I said, listen, I think the issue is you're older, you're kind of tuned out to what's going on in the world, and the younger generation is on the battlefront that you aren't watching.
So you can't believe any of these things happen, but you need to listen and watch and look through the window and see what's out your front door, and tidy whitey man is that cold slap in the face for the boomer generation.
kurt schlichter
Look, anything that involves kids is Really gonna be, you know, the nitrous oxide that, yeah, you add to the supercharger and the engine just goes on, you know, way into the red.
I mean, the idea that Virginia, which is a blue state, would put somebody named, like, Glenn Youngkin in, who is a fairly conservative guy.
He's not, you know, 180 pounds of Miracle Whip stuffed in a $5,000 suit like Mitt Romney is.
Okay.
unidentified
I mean, he's actually... Miracle Whip is a great insult.
kurt schlichter
It's not even mayo.
Mayo is a proud condiment.
Miracle Whip.
He's just so basic.
But no, he's actually conservative and the people of Virginia chose him.
And the reason they did it was, you know, kids coming home going, Mom, Dad, why are you all racist?
Yeah.
libby emmons
This happened to me.
This happened after the George Floyd stuff, right?
And we were doing the virtual learning because of stupid COVID.
And I heard an announcement on the classroom computer screen that there was going to be a two-day lesson on, what was it, systemic racism and white privilege.
And I'm looking at that, I'm looking at my kid who, what was it, fourth grade?
Has it been that long?
Who was like the The only white kid in his class, you know, we live in a very immigrant neighborhood in Brooklyn, which I like my neighborhood.
And he was like, I was like, okay, I'm gonna record this whole thing.
I put on the voice recorder for the full two days.
I wrote about it.
But afterward, I talked to my son about it.
And he was like, Mom, we're racist.
And I was like, we're not racist, honey.
And he's like, well, or my grandparents are racist.
I was like, they're They're totally not.
My parents are not racist either.
Well, our great-grandparents are.
We went through the whole thing and I was like, your great-grandmom taught at, like, integrated schools in Brownsville, Brooklyn.
She was really proud of the work she did.
You know, your grandma was a public defender in Philadelphia.
She was, like, defending, uh, Eddie Africa and, like, all these guys, you know, like... Of the move guys?
The move guys, yeah.
From after the 78, the shooting.
Yeah, the bomb and everything.
Well, that was in the 80s, yeah.
But I was like, We're definitely, we're not only not racist, our family has a history of not really being that racist, you know?
kurt schlichter
Fighting against it.
libby emmons
Yeah, working to not be racist.
kurt schlichter
You know, I was on with Prager the other day.
He asked me an interesting question, you know, in connection with the book.
He's like, a lot of people will, you know, accuse, you know, Kurt, your family served in the Civil War on the Union side.
Your hometown was burned down by the Confederates.
I don't get the glory of being part of the union because that wasn't me.
European people will call you racist but you have this family history how do you
feel about that I say I said well I'm not I'm not responsible for my family I
don't get the glory of being part of the Union because I wasn't me and I don't
have blood on my hands because that also wasn't me I what counts is the contents
of my character and that's it and that is the answer most normal Americans will
give and it's a very attractive answer well it is American and American and
normal people will respond to that if we get out there and say but there's so
many people who are afraid to confront these little weirdos.
You know, I don't want to get called a racist.
I don't want to get called a transphobe.
I don't care what people who hate me call me.
Don't care at all.
tim pool
Should we have the government pay reparations to the descendants of people
who died in the Civil War to fight for the Union?
So if like your great-great-great-grandfather was a Union soldier
and he like kissed his wife goodbye and there's the baby and then he was like, I am going to fight this war to free
the slaves and end this moral abomination.
government be like, those people lost their lives and deserve payment?
kurt schlichter
Absolutely not.
No corruption of blood, no glory of blood.
We have collective glory in the United States because we fought a giant war to end slavery.
I'm proud of my country.
Is my relatives?
My relatives aren't me.
I don't get to go and, like, share.
I mean, that's ridiculous.
tim pool
It's just so stupid.
kurt schlichter
It's like people who believe in loyalty.
tim pool
I don't believe in the sins of the father.
You're an individual.
You make your own choices.
libby emmons
Neither does the, you know, the American Republic also doesn't believe in the sins of the father.
You're not responsible for your parents' debt.
It's stupid.
tim pool
So I wonder if enough parents are going to be... So, COVID.
Allowed parents to hear what their kids were being taught.
That's all ending now, and the kids are going back to school.
So I'm wondering if now parents are going to fall back asleep.
And this was a fluke, essentially.
libby emmons
I think that there's actually a lot of parents who are not, and parents have gotten organized.
Like if you look at Moms for Liberty and Tiffany Justice, who founded that group, they have a summit coming up this weekend in Tampa, Florida, which is going to be, I think, really exciting.
unidentified
Very cool.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's very cool.
And moms specifically are not going to let this drop.
And if you look at them, it's like this very diverse group of educated moms who really have no interest in watching their kids be indoctrinated or watching their daughters, you know, end up trans and their grandchildren are getting butchered before they can even, you know, be born.
All of this stuff.
I think you have a lot of parents who, I think that we've seen a lot of that.
If you look at like the whole DeSantis movement, parental rights and education bill, that bill was wildly popular across the country despite the White House's attempt to brand it as the don't say gay bill.
I mean, parents looked at it and they were like, yeah, schools shouldn't be keeping the mental state of my kids a secret from me.
They shouldn't be calling them random new names that the kids came up with.
tim pool
And the Democrats lied about it?
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
And the media lied about it?
libby emmons
They lied about it very effectively.
tim pool
And the people who are in a cult and don't want to take their fingers out of their ears believe it.
libby emmons
We even had a thing at Post Millennial, too, where they kept calling it Don't Say Gay Bill in all of the press.
So I'd open up an article to edit it, and it would say the so-called Don't Say Gay Bill.
And I kept getting in touch with writers being like, no, we're not using their language.
We're not going to secede language to them.
They have it all wrong.
They're making up stupid definitions.
None of these words mean what they tell us that they mean, and that's not what the bill is about.
tim pool
It was the Don't Say Straight bill because it prevented teachers from talking about heterosexual marriage.
libby emmons
It was that, too.
tim pool
It was all of that.
And now, following the Supreme Court's ruling where the guy prayed on the 50-yard line, Democrats are pushing Don't Say Pray?
ian crossland
I think they just called it the Don't.
Don't.
They just called it Don't.
kurt schlichter
Don't.
ian crossland
Yeah, don't.
kurt schlichter
Just obey us.
libby emmons
Just do what we say.
tim pool
Don't.
ian crossland
It's the don't bill.
libby emmons
I thought that was a great ruling about the coach, the praying coach.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, what's that all about?
libby emmons
Well, he would pray after a game was over.
He would go out in the 50-yard line, I believe, football coach, and he would just like say
a little prayer.
And players started joining him.
And they would come out and they'd be like, we're going to pray with coach too.
And it turned into a whole thing.
He didn't tell them to come out there.
There wasn't anything special, any special treatment for the kids that would go out and
pray.
He would do like a prayer in the locker room, voluntary.
Anyone could join.
Anyone could not join.
It wasn't a big issue.
And he, I think he got fired.
kurt schlichter
He did get fired because he wouldn't give it up.
And it's, it's very interesting.
What's interesting is, you know, you guys know a concept of standing.
You have to have suffered a injury, an injury before you can bring a suit.
Uh, what's the injury that would allow the plaintiffs suing the school district over, you know, this guy praying?
Cause that, cause they fired him because they said, we're going to get sued.
What is their standing?
tim pool
That they're offended?
unidentified
They would have to articulate that.
tim pool
There's the problem that it's not true.
were ostracized or excluded or negatively impacted by refusing to be
kurt schlichter
party to the prayer. They would have to articulate that.
There's the problem that it's not true. But yeah, look, this is more leftist
control and I'm glad we have at least one institution, the Supreme Court, that
refuses to go along Now we have dozens of other major institutions of society that are completely controlled by left, including our military.
tim pool
Well, that's collapsing.
kurt schlichter
Oh, it's a disaster.
tim pool
It's chaos.
kurt schlichter
60,000 guardsmen in reserve is not allowed to drill.
We're halfway through the year, they're at 40% of recruiting goals.
So their idea was, well, let's just cut the number of end strength.
tim pool
Right, right.
kurt schlichter
You know, I retired seven and a half years ago as an 06.
I know lots of other colonels.
And it is unanimous.
This is a disaster.
And it's not just, you know, back in our day, it was tough when we did basic training.
No, back in our day, we won wars.
ian crossland
What's a solution to that?
libby emmons
What is going on with that whole thing?
kurt schlichter
Well, you should buy my book.
We'll be back, The Fall and Rise of America.
Look, the next president is A, going to have to not be impressed by generals.
Donald Trump was.
Donald Trump likes credentials.
libby emmons
He does like shiny things.
kurt schlichter
He likes shiny things.
Oh, this guy, Dr. Oz went to Harvard.
Okay, not a good thing.
Not a good thing.
Sorry, Ben Shapiro.
Love ya.
Not a good thing.
libby emmons
Trump went to an Ivy too, right?
He went to Penn.
kurt schlichter
He went to Penn and Wharton.
libby emmons
Yeah, kind of counts.
kurt schlichter
But he was very impressed by generals.
Here's the thing.
If you're going to change it, You need to spend time as the president.
Remember, it's a hierarchical organization.
We always say, soldiers do what the commander checks.
If the commander checks wokeness, that is, if that's his intent, you're going to get wokeness.
Because it's an organization that responds to the commander's intent.
If you want combat readiness, that's a different thing.
So you get a president in there, first day fires all joint chiefs, brings in new joint chiefs, says, guys, it's Monday, it's 0900.
This is my intent.
This is not a decision briefing.
This is called an orders briefing.
I am telling you what you're going to do.
You're going to come back here Friday.
Friday, each of you will brief me about your organization, including you Space Force guys, and you're going to brief me on how you have Ended diversity equity and inclusion no more months
tim pool
diversity inclusion and equity You're right I should be die
kurt schlichter
Because that's what soldiers will do if they're going around learning to hate their buddy rather than learning to
fight So we're gonna we're gonna end all that you're gonna end
all months. There's no more pride month There's no more, you know, Southern Northern Norwegian
month. We're not doing any of that You're gonna take it out of West Point. You're gonna take
We're not doing any of that.
You're gonna take it out of West Point.
You're gonna take it out of War College.
it out of War College You're gonna take it out of everything every civilian who's
You're gonna take it out of everything.
Every civilian who's in a slot that includes the word diversity, inclusion, or equity
in a slot that includes the word diversity inclusion or equity is going to be
is gonna be terminated as redundant.
Terminated as redundant everyone who's military in a slot that includes one of those words is going to be moved into
Everyone who's military in a slot that includes one of those words
is going to be moved into a combat unit.
a combat yet Come back here at 9 a.m. On Friday and tell me you have
Come back here at 9 a.m. on Friday and tell me you have done that.
unidentified
done that you know, Southern, Northern Norwegian month.
libby emmons
So what you're looking for is a leader with integrity.
kurt schlichter
A leader who understands how to lead.
libby emmons
Right, and you don't say it, and you don't add Trump under that.
We haven't had one of those in a very long time.
kurt schlichter
Well, Donald Trump didn't know how to do it because he wasn't a leader. He did a better job
libby emmons
than Biden, for sure.
kurt schlichter
Oh, Donald Trump, I think Donald Trump was a great president.
One of his problems is he's impressed by the military.
He needs to beat the Pentagon with a whip and a chair and make it bend to his will.
You fire enough general.
You bring him in that Friday.
Have you done it, General?
Well, you know, sir, I... You're out.
You're gone.
lydia smith
You're fired.
libby emmons
Trump would be good at that, right?
kurt schlichter
He's really good at that.
And the little kicker.
And you are ordered not to retire until I investigate you to determine if you retire as a O-10 and not a O-9, because you retire at the last rank where you performed adequately.
So you do that a couple of times and stop. You retire them at a lower rank.
unidentified
Oh wow.
kurt schlichter
They don't get, I mean, you don't take away a star. Oh, if I were the president,
if I were advising the president, say, I don't know, a president with naval experience like
DeSantis, I would say, put a little box on your desk. And, you know, if a general doesn't like
what you're doing, say, general, you can put your stars in there and you can retire because you can
tell me I will not be part of a military that refuses to have transsexuals serving on equitative
And I respect your integrity.
You can put your stuff in there and you put your stars in there and you'll no longer be in the military.
And then your deputy will do what I have said.
Because I'm president.
ian crossland
When they come back Friday morning and tell you we've done it, how do you guarantee that it's actually done?
Because these guys work in shell games on Trump.
kurt schlichter
Yes, and that's why you... The second part is the political unit within the White House that actually monitors not only the military at first, but others, and looks for cautionary examples.
For instance, hey, I saw this story on the web, Mr. President, about a chaplain at Elmendorf Air Force Base who was told he can't mention Jesus.
Because it's not inclusive.
Great!
General Air Force Secretary, I want you and everybody in the chain of command down to that chaplain in my office Monday morning to brief me on how you're meeting my commander's intent for religious freedom.
So come on in here and explain it to me.
And you come in and when they don't explain it to your right, you fire everybody in the chain of command and everybody gets the message that, oh wow, somebody posts something on the net and it's bad?
The president's going to see it.
libby emmons
And we're going to have to answer for that.
kurt schlichter
Because there are guys looking for reasons to screw with people.
tim pool
And that's what's happening now, but the other way around.
kurt schlichter
Yes!
Exactly!
tim pool
So like, people are getting in trouble for posting the Gadsden flag.
kurt schlichter
Bingo!
tim pool
But the funny thing is, the Gadsden flag is like a license plate in Virginia.
kurt schlichter
Yes.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
So there were, this was when they were doing the DC deployment, there were reports that people whose Facebook pages had posts like the Gadsden flag were being removed from the mission.
But it's like, the flag, you go to Virginia, all the Virginia license plates are Gadsden.
kurt schlichter
Yeah, it's very easy.
You know, Secretary of Defense, bring in everybody from that guy's company commander up to the force corps general.
I don't know if Trump would do it.
tim pool
DeSantis?
kurt schlichter
I think DeSantis could do it because he understands if he does it about three or four times, the message is going to get out that now the commander's checking combat readiness and he's serious.
libby emmons
He also seems to stick to his guns, DeSantis, which I appreciate.
kurt schlichter
Well, DeSantis was a JAG for SEALs, so he was in a lot of important meetings.
He knows how they work and he knows how generals work.
And there are a lot of us guys out there who know how generals work.
We'd be happy to come in and share our expertise.
Look, my dream job is to be a political side White House.
I'm the guy who goes to the Pentagon, sits across the desk from a general and goes, General, what would you say you do here?
libby emmons
Oh, just like in the office space.
kurt schlichter
So what do you think of 2024?
tim pool
Do you think DeSantis or Trump?
kurt schlichter
I think both will run.
I've talked to people who talked to Trump, literally.
I got a nice note from Trump the other day.
libby emmons
You think DeSantis is going to run in 2024?
kurt schlichter
DeSantis has to run.
libby emmons
Everybody seems to really want him to.
kurt schlichter
He has to run.
And I want him to run because I want a tough primary.
I want the best person in 2024.
tim pool
How will Trump go after DeSantis?
kurt schlichter
Oh, that's such a good question.
tim pool
Because Trump, look how he roasted Elon.
It was hilarious.
libby emmons
It was funny, but was it really that effective?
tim pool
Well, I mean, what's effective about roasting Elon?
They're not really up against each other.
It's just Trump slapping him, you know, figuratively.
But with Trump and DeSantis, DeSantis is wildly popular, especially among Trump's base.
And he's succeeded on every front.
libby emmons
He's doing great.
kurt schlichter
It's tough for Trump.
Because, you know, he has this guy, and DeSantis is a smart guy.
He's not going to attack Trump.
He's going to go, you know, I know the president's running.
I'm running on my record.
I respect the president, and I'll be happy to support him if the voters choose him.
Here's what I've done in Florida.
Now, what's Trump do?
libby emmons
That would actually be effective.
kurt schlichter
That would be super effective.
libby emmons
It really would be.
kurt schlichter
Take the high road.
What's Trump do?
Does Trump attack?
Well, you know, sweaty run, DeSantis!
And it's like, or whatever.
libby emmons
And he'd be like, yeah, I work hard.
kurt schlichter
He's like, I'm in Florida.
And he'd just laugh and go, well, you know, President Trump, he's a funny guy.
Here's what I've done in Florida, you know, and I'd like to, you know, draw your attention to my successful personnel policies.
unidentified
Right.
kurt schlichter
You know, like I say, for every Rick Grinnell and Robert O'Brien, Trump's got like 10 John Boltons, okay?
Actually, I heard his mustache actually had to separately get a security clearance.
tim pool
It's not a lot of people know about him.
So Trump says he's gonna drain the swamp.
For whatever reason, it didn't happen.
It started.
Maybe it's because he brought in Bolton.
He was like, I'm gonna drain the swamp and the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm bringing the biggest swamp monster possible.
kurt schlichter
It was a mixed record.
unidentified
Yes.
Yes.
kurt schlichter
And I talk about it in the book.
I have the last two chapters, last chapter, second to last, analyzes all the potential
candidates and talks about Trump and DeSantis and how I want a primary to hone the winner.
I want a strong winner.
The last chapter is a president looking back as he passes it on to his vice president,
Rick Grinnell, and how he went and did this.
And part of that's the military thing I talked about.
But there's a lot of things to do, and you need a president who knows what time it is, and has the strength to commit the time to fixing these things, rather than just dealing with the, you know, squirrel of the day.
tim pool
I kind of think DeSantis, you know, we'll see what happens moving forward.
My concern with DeSantis is foreign policy, because we haven't seen that.
And Donald Trump, I think, did really well on foreign policy.
libby emmons
I thought his whole bilateral trade thing, like his, all of those agreements where it was like, you know, two, like agreement between the US and one other country, I thought those were effective.
What are those called?
Those are bilaterals.
tim pool
Yeah, bilaterals.
kurt schlichter
He settled the Middle East War!
libby emmons
I mean, I'm old.
That was great.
tim pool
Abraham Accords.
I think that was Kushner, right?
libby emmons
Yeah, Kushner was involved.
And then you had the UAE accepting flights from Israel, which was really cool.
kurt schlichter
Kosovo and Serbia.
libby emmons
That was cool.
kurt schlichter
Negotiated by Grinnell.
tim pool
It's amazing.
Domestic issues, DeSantis does very, very well.
Particularly in Florida.
And COVID was a big deal.
So I think the economy would do well.
But my fear is Trump has got, let's just say, character flaws, is a simple way to put it, in how he handles things.
kurt schlichter
He lacks discipline.
tim pool
Sure.
But he did well by the economy.
kurt schlichter
Yes.
tim pool
He did well by foreign policy.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
He did well in the culture war.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And he didn't handle himself as well as he should have when it came to the media.
kurt schlichter
True.
tim pool
But people liked that he smacked the media down.
Ron DeSantis seems to have all that plus the tact, but what if we vote for DeSantis and all of a sudden it's like Middle Eastern wars again?
kurt schlichter
That's why you have to have a tough primary.
This is why you like Grinnell, right?
I love Grinnell.
Grinnell, a personal friend.
I would sit with Grinnell and when he was going over to Germany and he would ask me, you know, when I go to an army base, what do I look for?
Not like, hey, I'm gonna have some parties at the embassy.
What do I go for?
What am I looking for at a base to see if it's working right?
And I would talk to him for hours about this stuff.
I'm very impressed.
But I mean, we need a primary to suss that out.
tim pool
Right, right.
kurt schlichter
Because that's your question.
I want to, you know, Rob DeSantis, we don't know what you think about foreign policy.
Tell us.
How about endless wars?
Where do you come on down on those?
tim pool
You know, I will say this.
Having Luke Rydkowski on this show just like ardently defend DeSantis over and over again, I'm like, that's an endorsement.
Luke hates the government.
Yeah, every single politician and he's like, Ron DeSantis.
What do you say?
He saved America or something like he really did, man.
ian crossland
He I mean, he made a bold stand in an unknown area.
Yep.
Against COVID the way or maybe not even against COVID just for Florida.
libby emmons
I remember going to, I went to CPAC, what was it in like, uh, 2021 in Orlando, Florida.
Yeah.
And I was just like, Oh my God, it is paradise.
unidentified
It was so nice.
libby emmons
I think I cried.
It was amazing.
People were nice.
You could go out for drinks and everyone would smile at you.
And there were, there were people to bring you food and it was like.
It was so beautiful.
I think I wrote an article that was like, Florida is a paradise of freedom.
I'm pretty sure that's what I called it.
And then I had to go back to New York, and I was just like, oh, God, no, why?
tim pool
And West Virginia.
I think the issue with coming to Florida... I like West Virginia.
Florida was... I'm a new fan.
Yeah, West Virginia is great.
Florida was dense.
Now, Florida is dense.
And so you had this dense urban environment that people who live in cities like, and descendants are like, you get your freedom.
So all of a sudden, people who like living in cities are like, you got to be in Florida.
West Virginia has freedom, but it's because you're in the middle of an empty field.
unidentified
Which I love.
Because there's nowhere around to oppress you.
tim pool
Your neighbors all far away will be like, I don't care what you're doing.
And you're like, me neither.
libby emmons
I kind of love that.
unidentified
I don't care.
libby emmons
I think that's brilliant.
tim pool
Yeah, I like West Virginia.
For the most part, I don't think there's any lockdowns in West Virginia.
I'm not sure.
Not when we were here.
libby emmons
How would anyone come find you?
tim pool
They had masks, though.
kurt schlichter
There were masks in L.A.
again, apparently.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
libby emmons
OK, but L.A.
is stupid.
kurt schlichter
I know, and sadly, I live there.
libby emmons
Yeah, well, I live in New York City.
There's people walking around in masks.
But you know what we really have?
We have actually something that's probably stupider than anything you have, which is for a long time after the mask rules were lifted, the mask rules were not lifted on people under five years old.
And so sometimes you'll have this.
You'll have, you know, white, over-educated, liberal people walking around New York City with no masks, walking a toddler next to them with a mask on the toddler!
tim pool
Were the kids on leashes?
libby emmons
Yes, the kids will be on leashes.
They have those little monkey backpack leashes, you know?
kurt schlichter
They're just normalizing bondage.
libby emmons
That's just insane.
Well, they are doing that.
The Washington Post wants us to do that.
Remember they ran that article about how important it is to expose your kids to kink at Pride?
kurt schlichter
Fatherly, actually.
I didn't see the Washington Post endorsing Eric Greitens.
libby emmons
It was two years ago.
It was two years ago that they ran the bring your kids to Show them Kinkett Pride.
kurt schlichter
Show them kink.
tim pool
Show them kink at pride.
Luke Cheddar saying DeSantis has the advantage over Trump.
So if you look at predicted, Trump said it's like 35 DeSantis, 42 Trump.
But I think Ron DeSantis has an advantage in that he's actively in government right
now.
He's campaigning right now, which means he's getting to prove himself.
Right now, Trump might announce his presidency early.
That's the idea that he's announced at 77.
kurt schlichter
He's been teasing it for a while.
Look for it just before Christmas.
tim pool
And he has to because DeSantis is actively campaigning now for his governorship, but this means he gets to campaign actively and be in the press and get a bunch of attention.
Trump, if he sits back, he's losing that space to DeSantis.
libby emmons
Do you think Newsom is going to try and run?
tim pool
Yes.
kurt schlichter
Oh, God, I hope so.
tim pool
He's second in line on predicted behind Biden, I believe.
libby emmons
Really?
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
What about Kamala?
She's remarkable.
kurt schlichter
Another proud day for us, California lawyers.
tim pool
As someone who voted for Trump, I fear Kamala being the candidate.
unidentified
We must Oh, no, not that!
Don't throw me in the Kamala patch!
tim pool
It's funny that I basically said that about Joe Biden, and then Joe Biden won.
And so I'm like, you know, we're sitting here talking about Kamala, like, haha, Kamala, and then... She got less than 3% of the vote in the Democratic primary.
kurt schlichter
Well, it's like the Democrats interfering in the Republican primaries.
They're like, let's give it, let's give it like 10 million bucks to this super Trumpy guy with MAGA tattooed on his tramp stamp.
And yeah, we'll get him.
And you know, some of these guys are going to get elected.
In a world of $7 gas, you may get a guy, you know, who changed his name to John Q. MAGA.
And he may go, you know, this guy seems like a viable candidate here in Colorado.
tim pool
So we'll talk a little bit about that.
We'll do one quick segment on this because I published an opinion piece in Newsweek today.
The January 6th committee misrepresented me.
And I'll give you the quick gist of the story.
You guys heard probably the other day that on national television across the board, there's TimCast.
They run this clip where there's people saying like, kick the door in, there's gonna be a red wedding.
And then in between it's me going, according to Fox News, Donald Trump says there's gonna be a wild protest.
It wasn't that, you know, dull, I said.
Donald Trump says there's going to be a wild protest, and I think he's right.
Considering what we've already seen, I think things will get wild.
And then I said this could be Trump's last stand.
He's calling on his supporters to come to D.C.
They play that together, and then they try and insinuate that I'm encouraging people to take action simply because I'm telling people a thing that happened.
So you were just mentioning Oh, about them funding Republicans?
talking about, uh, you're talking about the Democrats.
I was gonna make a point, but I forgot what you Oh, about them funding Republican.
Yes, exactly.
That was it.
kurt schlichter
Yes.
tim pool
Democrats are paying in one.
So I think in, in, in Colorado is like $30 million to fund pro Trump candidates.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Jamie Raskin.
I'm like, why is it that he put a clip of me?
Because they need to create an image of a problem to convince people that they are the ones who can oppose that problem.
It is demagoguery.
It is a lie.
The Trump supporters who are getting massive press, it's Democrats funding it.
So they can then turn to their voters and say, look, look at that scary thing.
Only we can stop it.
But they're the ones paying for it.
kurt schlichter
It seems a bit cynical.
I wouldn't have expected that of Democrats.
tim pool
I'd say evil, manipulative, and cult-like.
kurt schlichter
And it's not gonna work.
Remember how the entire media was pushing for Trump for the first time.
They thought, he's great for TV, and he'll never win, this is perfect!
unidentified
They loved it.
tim pool
Let me tell you guys something really interesting about this op-ed and the January 6th thing.
I have had friends hit me up who had Trump derangement syndrome.
Being like, something's not right here.
Like, I don't understand what just happened.
kurt schlichter
You're a human red pill.
tim pool
I've had... Well, the thing is, there are people who follow this show who don't like Donald Trump and know, at the very least, they might not like me, but that I am not what they're trying to claim me to be.
Like, putting... The January 6th episode we have was embedded in the Newsweek article, and in it, it's like a whole two and a half hours or whatever, Of a conversation as to why violence doesn't work, why we've always condemned it, why this will make things worse, why it's bad.
And then even in the lead up to this in September, I have a video where I'm saying that Black Lives Matter lost all of their support they gained throughout the year by engaging in riots.
Don't do this stuff.
It doesn't work.
It hurts your cause.
And then Jamie Raskin, this is really funny by the way, his office is like 30 miles from here because he reps the district right next to us.
So I'm gonna go to his office.
Probably tomorrow, I'm gonna go knock on the door and be like, hey guys, look, I'm here, you guys lied about me.
libby emmons
Hey, you should definitely do that.
ian crossland
And definitely bring a camera crew.
kurt schlichter
Ask for an apology.
libby emmons
I love this idea.
kurt schlichter
Where's Miss Raskin?
Oh, he's out getting a haircut.
tim pool
You're a liar!
kurt schlichter
I know you're a liar now!
tim pool
Well, he might not be at his office in Maryland, but it's very close.
I'll show up, and I'll leave a note or something.
I'll say, hey guys, look, some of my employees are constituents of Representative Raskin, and he is smearing me, my company, and lying for what I believe to be political gain, but maybe I'm wrong about him, and he'll apologize publicly for including me incorrectly in his video.
kurt schlichter
Well, I expect him to take the classy move.
And so does my unicorn.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
That's right.
libby emmons
Is that the unicorn that's puking rainbow glitter?
kurt schlichter
His name's Chad.
libby emmons
Great.
kurt schlichter
He has a name!
tim pool
I have a feeling I'm going to show up and they're going to say, we don't care.
You can't do anything about it.
We can say whatever we want and get out.
I have a feeling if I show up, they're going to be like, you can't be here.
You need to leave.
libby emmons
That would be interesting too.
Why could you not be there?
kurt schlichter
I'm just standing in your waiting room!
Is it wrong to do that?
Because I was informed by you that it's okay to come and petition your representative.
ian crossland
It is okay.
tim pool
Should I hire like a handful of people just hold signs in front of his office saying he lied?
ian crossland
No, I think the diplomatic approach is right.
libby emmons
And you can, of course, petition the government for a redress of grievances.
kurt schlichter
At least theoretically.
libby emmons
It says it for sure.
unidentified
Well, so the issue with this... But it also says you can keep it bare arms.
kurt schlichter
Well, we've seen how that's gone!
libby emmons
That's going great, yeah.
No, in New York, they are like, no, we're not going to follow the Supreme Court.
And they're starting to... Wow, you know... Yeah, they're trying to say that the entire city of New York is like some sanctuary... A sensitive area.
kurt schlichter
A sensitive area.
Bruin opinion specifically says, don't try that trick!
You can't do that!
You know, it's really remarkable how angry Democrats get after the Supreme Court says you have to stop systematically violating people's rights.
And then they launch into massive resistance.
libby emmons
That's right.
kurt schlichter
Like, oh, I don't know, Brown versus Board of Education.
Bruin!
unidentified
No, yeah.
tim pool
you know uh... funny how they all these people were like uh... there was an op ed
that's uh... who was it by i think it might have been politics girl you guys
know that is no we we we've invited on the show before by this thing
just don't want to do it not surprised and she's like a it's a podcast funded
by uh... might as touch
all god But she made a very powerful point against gay marriage.
It was kind of crazy.
She said that something like the Supreme Court should not be legislating and deciding what is law and what is not law.
And then I was like, that would rescind a lot of progressive gains.
libby emmons
Well, the Supreme Court actually, the Supreme Court sort of said that recently with the EPA ruling, right?
And they said, you know, if Congress wants to do this, Congress has to do this.
tim pool
Right, so what's happened is many people on the left are trying to come up with some kind of sophistry as to why the Supreme Court is wrong.
So there's two things.
One, the Supreme Court should not arbitrarily decide what the law is.
And then it's like, so you agree with the Supreme Court?
That's what they said.
Then the other issue is they're saying that if the Supreme Court is going to rescind its own precedence, then they're illegitimate.
And it's like, now you're advocating for Brownview Board of Education?
kurt schlichter
Oh, and Korematsu?
tim pool
And Dred Scott?
Come on!
The Supreme Court's had a lot of bad decisions we get rid of.
kurt schlichter
Yes.
Look, we're not having a rational debate here.
The left is going to take the position that's most convenient to the left, and it's accumulation of power and money.
tim pool
Does it gain the left power?
Yes.
Then it's their position.
kurt schlichter
Which is why I don't want to argue with the left.
I just want to defeat them.
I don't.
And that's why I never go to the left with, hey, you know, if Don Jr.
had been, you know, if his laptop had been compromised and his, you know, stripper antics, you know, the doing blasting rails off the butt of a Latavian hooker videos had been out there, you'd be treating it differently.
I don't do that to the left because they don't care.
It doesn't matter.
They're immune to hypocrisy because That's not what they're about.
They're about power.
Normal people, though.
Normal people see that and go, huh, that's a problem.
So we have to keep making the argument, but the argument needs to go to normal people.
As far as the left, it's like, no, you just can't do that.
Here's what I'll do.
tim pool
I'll take the twerking old man with the little girl, and I'll do a loop where it plays for and then rewinds, and it'll say, vote Raskin and Flesch, and then I'll hire someone to hold that up in front of his office.
kurt schlichter
Oh, that's a great idea.
I like that.
tim pool
Oh my gosh.
That's it, that's it, that's it.
unidentified
That's terrific.
kurt schlichter
Raskin celebrates all identities.
Just have that down.
tim pool
I won't tell, I won't say anything about him.
I'll just say vote for him.
kurt schlichter
Vote for Raskin.
tim pool
And I'll just hold up.
kurt schlichter
Get more of this.
tim pool
We'll get a bunch of, you know those trucks with the ad TVs on them?
kurt schlichter
Oh my gosh, that would be hilarious.
tim pool
Oh, that's a really good idea actually.
libby emmons
With the lights?
tim pool
Those trucks that carry billboards.
And then just have it playing the twerking old man.
And just get like, should we hire like a hundred of those and have them drive around DC?
kurt schlichter
Vote Jamie Raskin!
tim pool
No, I won't say anything.
It'll just show the video.
libby emmons
You could definitely do that.
tim pool
It'll say something like Minneapolis Pride and just... That's it.
That's all it is.
Drive them around.
We'll hire... What if we did like... You know, I think to make it impactful you need like a hundred of them.
And just have them driving throughout the city.
ian crossland
You gotta be careful not to show it to kids because that defeats the message.
tim pool
What do you mean?
There's literally a child watching it happen and they're cheering for it and encouraging it.
ian crossland
But the point is how bad that was.
tim pool
Fair point.
libby emmons
Don't do it again.
ian crossland
It is important that people see that, that adults see that and understand what happened.
tim pool
Okay, no, no.
Actually, that's an important question.
Would they get mad, Ian?
Is there something wrong with it?
It was on a public Minneapolis street with people cheering as a little girl watched.
I don't see anything.
kurt schlichter
Where's her pride, Ian?
libby emmons
Maybe just drive it around after hours.
tim pool
But no, no, no.
When the parents complain about it, it's exactly the point.
Oh, you all have an issue with this in DC?
What are you, bigots?
kurt schlichter
I'm literally shaking just thinking about that.
Why are they denying the existence of whatever the hell Tidy Whitey boy is?
tim pool
Tidy Whitey guy.
kurt schlichter
Non-binary whatever the hell he is.
tim pool
There's so many videos of this stuff and that video I think is like the one thing you send to somebody to make them be like, what?
kurt schlichter
I'm still trying to get over the twerking legislator from Rhode Island.
Holy cow.
libby emmons
Oh, that was wild.
Did you see that?
ian crossland
Maybe we can watch that on the after show.
libby emmons
That was pretty amazing.
kurt schlichter
It's like, nobody should see that but your gynecologist, all right?
I'm looking it up right now.
Oh, no, don't do that.
tim pool
People are allowed to twerk.
I don't care.
I think when I see that, I'm glad she twerked because I will not support someone who's doing that.
I don't care that she does it.
She's allowed to do it.
It's America, and I'll vote for somebody else.
I don't live in Rhode Island, so I really don't care all that much.
kurt schlichter
I do think you should mock her, and that comes back to the tolerance thing.
I'm not going to say, it's okay with me.
It's not.
It's stupid, and it's gross, and you shouldn't do it.
I'm not going to send the cops to arrest you, because first of all, I don't want them to get PTSD.
But, uh, you know, don't look at me and go, oh, well, you know, you know, you're living your best life.
No, you're not.
You're living a terrible life and you need to stop.
And you need some Jesus, lady.
libby emmons
This is the thing with abortion, right?
I mean, this is the thing with abortion, too.
People say, like, I had an abortion and it saved my life.
And it's like, no, you had an abortion that saved your lifestyle.
And I don't think it was worth saving.
tim pool
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Alright, what is this?
Ricky Longhall says, thoughts on the USDA, Department of Education, IRS, Department of Energy, Inspector General, Fish and Wildlife, Geological Survey, Department of Interior, Railroad Retirement Agency, stockpiling machine guns, shotguns, suppressed pistols, body armor, and ammo.
I didn't know any of that.
Did you guys know any of that?
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
I know the IRS bought hollow points.
unidentified
I did see.
tim pool
You know the funny thing about hollow points?
Is that one, they're like for killing.
So they hit the body, they expand, so it causes more damage.
And I could be wrong about this, but aren't they banned by like the Hague Convention or something?
kurt schlichter
Hague Convention?
Yeah, for use in wartime.
You're not allowed to have weapons that increase suffering.
So you can't have, for instance, a serrated bayonet.
libby emmons
Right, you can't have like the double-sided bayonet, right?
The double-sided knife.
kurt schlichter
Yeah, I mean, Yeah, right.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Unless there's a function to it, like white phosphorus.
kurt schlichter
Yeah, there's... Did you know this?
tim pool
That they were stockpiling weapons?
lydia smith
I didn't know that.
kurt schlichter
I didn't know that they were buying a lot of ammo.
I guess they're buying it now because it's really cheap.
No, that ain't it.
lydia smith
I saw theories that they were buying it up to drive up the cost so that people wouldn't buy it.
I don't know if that's true or not.
Maybe.
I saw that the IRS was buying a ton.
I saw that they didn't have a ton of agents who are armed.
Very interesting little rabbit hole to go down.
kurt schlichter
That's weird.
lydia smith
Yeah, I was like, why are they buying all this?
You know, like your training, whatever else you're doing with it as a kid.
Okay, maybe there's nothing here.
kurt schlichter
You know, if we had some oversight from, I don't know, legislators elected by the To go, you know, you're head of the IRS.
I got a lot of beefs with you.
I got a list.
But why are you buying so much ammo?
And maybe he has, like, a really good reason.
Oh, well, we shoot, they shoot 250 rounds each to qualify a year.
tim pool
Okay, I can live with that.
There's probably wild hogs running around.
ian crossland
The IRS building.
tim pool
Yeah, the IRS building.
So it's really just about the safety of the children who work in the IRS building.
kurt schlichter
I don't think we think enough about the children in regard to armed tax collectors.
tim pool
That's right.
All right, we got Nick Koenigs, who said, Tim, since I started eating healthy and running in January, I've already lost 50 plus pounds.
Congrats on your weight loss, too.
Yeah, the thing is, like, I didn't actually plan on losing weight.
I didn't actually care.
I just was like, I don't want to eat sugar.
You know, we had the keto stuff.
And then I was like, why am I eating this garbage all the time?
I'm just not going to eat it.
And then just I started losing weight.
ian crossland
You talk about a transformation of the nation, man.
That's physical.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Look at those, you see those memes from the 1960s?
Oh yeah.
kurt schlichter
And like all the dudes are ripped.
tim pool
Everybody's thin.
kurt schlichter
Everyone's thin.
The other interesting thing, and look, I'm 57, so it's like pulling teeth to lose weight.
I've lost like eight pounds in the last month or so, and it's been agonizing.
When I was like 22, if I wanted to lose 10 pounds, all I did was go run for a half hour.
Yeah.
But here's the thing, so many people in the conservative space do not drink.
And it's not high-flying morality stuff.
And a lot of them are.
Some of them had a problem, but others are like, it just doesn't contribute to my life.
libby emmons
Yeah.
kurt schlichter
And that's the majority of it.
Drinking is not fashionable among conservatives.
It's very odd.
libby emmons
The other thing that's interesting, too, is remember Michelle Obama had her whole fitness thing.
Her, she had like a whole anti-obesity thing and now the left is like, obesity is beautiful.
ian crossland
The sugar industry, the original, Michelle Obama's original Let's Move campaign was get sugar out of your diet.
And then the sugar industry came in and was like, there's a documentary called Fed Up with Katie Couric that exploits this.
And they were like, let's make it an exercise campaign.
Forget about the diet.
And then they turned it into an exercise and then, but they kept eating it.
lydia smith
All right.
tim pool
Greg says, your weight loss is pretty obvious watching the IRL clips.
Can see the difference between the clip and your outro clip.
We're going to record a new outro clip.
lydia smith
Oh, that's a good reminder.
That's great.
We should do that after the show.
tim pool
I didn't even realize that.
I was like, oh yeah, we have like an old outro.
I was like, thanks for watching, and I'm probably just like... How was that long ago?
kurt schlichter
I guess the idea of having a theme song from Sir Mix-a-Lot is now out.
lydia smith
Yeah, we're not allowed to use it anymore.
kurt schlichter
We're not doing that.
unidentified
No, you can't do it.
Okay.
kurt schlichter
Tim got back.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
JTTV says, please continue advocating for the health of bodies and pushing critical thinking for the individual instead of the monolith of absolute degenerate destructive nonsense that has plagued this nation for decades.
God bless.
I tell you this, I think it might have been Cernovich who said this, that if you really want to win and get back at the left or whatever, exercise, eat healthy, focus on yourself, make money, have a family.
ian crossland
Yeah, people even in a call, people will see beauty and health and they're drawn to it.
libby emmons
Well, I find it so annoying because like, I always feel better if I if I work out and I'm always like, Damn, I feel terrible.
I better work out.
That's so annoying.
kurt schlichter
It's funny.
libby emmons
I really just want to sit on the couch and watch Star Trek.
kurt schlichter
It's funny you mentioned Cernovich.
I happened to see him at a wedding a couple weeks ago.
tim pool
Oh, cool.
kurt schlichter
And he looked great and was happy.
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt schlichter
I mean, he was just a happy guy.
And I mean, you know, if you followed Serge Sernovich's career, he was not always a happy guy.
But he's happy now.
He's transformed his life.
ian crossland
He's explored psychedelics.
He's, I mean, he's transformed his life.
tim pool
Yeah.
kurt schlichter
He's, I mean, he's gone on an interesting, uh, arc.
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt schlichter
I mean, he's actually become a different person.
I think he's a much happier person, and he shares his advice with people, and maybe you agree with him, maybe you don't, but he has.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We got Emily Williams says, I feel like Ian is that hippie friend you pick up at the local farmer's market that everyone thinks is high all the time, but just knows way more about weird stuff.
unidentified
Oh.
libby emmons
That seems about right.
tim pool
That's actually true.
unidentified
That's what I was going for.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure that's it.
libby emmons
I think that's it.
kurt schlichter
Wow.
Mission accomplished.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
People think Ian's, but he's not.
He just reads the weird stuff.
libby emmons
He just knows weird stuff.
Yeah.
That's cool.
ian crossland
I just like to think.
kurt schlichter
When you were a kid, did you ever have other kids go, how come you know things?
ian crossland
Uh, but they would just, they would lash out.
Well, I was the kid that would raise my hand for every answer the teacher would ask.
Cause they already gave me the answer.
I just got to tell them.
And the other kids would, would take it out on me later.
I didn't know why.
Like, why don't they like me?
It's cause I would make them, I guess they felt like idiots.
Cause I was like, come on guys, move it along.
Move the story along.
libby emmons
I couldn't figure out why all the kids hated me.
I was merciless.
I was telling you this yesterday.
I was mercilessly bullied.
kurt schlichter
I know why.
I was a giant jerk.
libby emmons
Now and then I would raise my hand, but mostly I was just like not ever paying.
I was always like just looking at something else.
My attention was somewhere it wasn't supposed to be.
ian crossland
It's vulnerability.
People will sometimes attack vulnerability.
It's like a wild tiger with fresh meat.
kurt schlichter
Like leftists.
tim pool
Alright, I want to read this one.
Lars Job says, My 98-year-old grandpa was found of multiple tumors, and he has almost stopped eating, and we believe he's near the end.
He lived a good life and is a World War II vet, the last surviving member of the Alamo Scouts.
If you know a veteran, thank them for their service.
Wow.
ian crossland
shout out to your grandfather.
I wish I knew his name.
I want to shout his name out.
kurt schlichter
That's what a hero freaking cool.
You know, you got to these these young Americans that I got to serve with, you know, they are truly walking in the bootsteps of heroes.
But they are great themselves.
I'm so impressed by our young soldiers that I worked with and you know, the the occasional weirdo black.
tim pool
I really gotta shout out Haunted Autumn who said, Are we going to ignore the fact that Tim is wearing the same shirt as last episode?
More power to you, but dude, we noticed.
I really love that because the last episode I was wearing a Vans Pocket Raglan tee with print on it, and the day before I wore this shirt, whereas typically I wear literally the same thing every single day.
So it's like the one time I don't wear something, they think I do.
Come on, man.
All right.
kurt schlichter
You're being Raskind again.
tim pool
Yeah.
Nikki Hilly says, long time supporter, just found Cast Castle and I'm obsessed.
Can't stop watching it.
Reminds me of Rob Dyrdek's Fantasy Factory.
Keep up the amazing work.
Yes.
The Cast Castle is basically going to be like a hybrid between a vlog and a sitcom where we're basically making fun of culture war concepts and issues and, you know, poking fun at all this stuff.
So I think I think it's pretty fun, and we're excited to expand it.
But it's a learning process.
We start making episodes, we see what works, we see what's funny, and then we just make it better and better and better until it gets really good.
ian crossland
And shout out to Jamie the Animal Kilstein.
tim pool
The Animal?
unidentified
Yeah.
Taking it to the top.
lydia smith
That's great.
ian crossland
He's running the vlog right now.
He's running Cast Castle.
tim pool
All right.
Peter Nguyen says, right now there's an echo chamber on Twitch.
The younger generation is getting so much leftist propaganda and apolitical streamers are being influenced by people like Hassan.
You need to build culture there.
You can't!
They will ban you for the slightest thing.
Destiny said Kyle Rittenhouse was the clearest cut case of self-defense he'd ever seen, and they actually, they call it a ban, but it's like a suspension.
So simply for asserting a fact, not even a political opinion, it's like, oh yeah, I watched the video, that was self-defense.
They're like, you're out.
That's Twitch for you.
So, nah, not interested.
Although, maybe for fun, we'll simulcast on Twitch for a week to see how long it takes to get banned.
ian crossland
You can't simulcast on Twitch.
Well, you can't be a partner on Twitch and simulcast.
They'll end your partnership.
It's in their terms.
It's very strange.
There's software that will let you do it, but Twitch doesn't want it, I guess.
libby emmons
Weird.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's disappointing.
I'd be on Twitch if otherwise.
tim pool
Tyler McFarlane says, T-bones are the superior steak.
You get a tenderloin and New York strip in one package.
FJB.
I agree with all of it, actually, especially the FJB part.
Yeah, I had a T-bone and you got the tenderloin on one side and then you got the strip on the other.
But I just, you know, it is true.
kurt schlichter
It's like, choose one.
unidentified
Commit.
tim pool
But yo, just tenderloin, filet mignon, just mmm.
kurt schlichter
My wife is a filet mignon person.
She likes it.
unidentified
Who doesn't?
libby emmons
Who's not a filet mignon person?
I'd be a filet mignon person if filet mignon was showing up in my plate every day.
kurt schlichter
Sometimes I'm in a ribeye place, sometimes I'm in a New York place.
tim pool
True, and I will say, it's a different experience.
Like, brisket?
You can't even compare brisket to filet mignon.
They're different things.
kurt schlichter
Yeah, it's a different thing.
tim pool
Oh, I love brisket.
libby emmons
The best brisket I had was in Austin just recently with Hannah Nightingale, who's my U.S.
news editor.
We had the best night and she kept making fun of me because every bite I took I was like, oh my god.
I was like, are you okay?
No, no, I'm not okay.
kurt schlichter
Nature's perfect food.
We can just be.
libby emmons
It was so sublime.
There was the sauce.
They like put the sauce on it.
tim pool
We can talk all day about abortion and politics.
We can talk about the Democrats and law enforcement and Trump on January 6th.
No, no, no, no, no.
When people can't get their brisket, they're going to kick doors in.
They're going to be screaming and banging their heads on walls.
It's going to be chaos.
kurt schlichter
That is true.
You know, here's how weird this whole situation has got.
I did a speaking gig to a bunch of Republicans at a country club.
And they said, it's sold out.
This is great.
I walk in, half the room does not have tables up.
And I'm like, couldn't you put more tables up and sell them?
They said, we'd love to.
And the country club would have loved to.
They could not guarantee to get enough chicken breasts to feed the people.
Wow.
Justin Clark says, remember when Cartman's mom tried to make a 37th trimester abortion legal?
when you have rationing that makes that is that that's what the democrats expect
unidentified
us to to to accept you think you know i think i put together some
kurt schlichter
cricket patty yeah yeah i think that yes didn't get a salmon chicken
tim pool
bogan but yeah justin clark says remember when cartman's mom try to make
a thirty seventh trimester abortion legal hard to distinguish reality from
unidentified
satire as you discussed recently that that's not really satire there was a
libby emmons
Andy Ngo shared this with me.
There was some Antifa woman in Oregon who was bragging about getting an abortion at seven months.
tim pool
Like the baby was seven months old?
libby emmons
No, in her womb.
tim pool
No, this is 37th trimester.
Oh, 37th trimester.
unidentified
Yeah, he's like nine years older.
libby emmons
You said 37th trimester and I heard 37 weeks.
unidentified
That would have been yowl.
kurt schlichter
I mean, sure, kids can be a pain, but really?
tim pool
All right, let's grab some.
What do we got here?
Let's find a good one.
There was a good one I saw a moment ago.
Where did it go?
ian crossland
Yeah, these super chats are great.
You guys are awesome.
kurt schlichter
Man, look at all those comments.
tim pool
Yeah, Cabbage says, Tim K is my favorite thing to listen to at work.
I just became a member and I often delay, so I have enough to get through the day.
We need an app.
I know!
Yo, it's like the website's been up for like a year and a half and it's only been in the form it's been in for like 10 months with like channels and new shows.
We can only go as fast as humans can go.
That's the hard thing.
So sign up, become a member if you want to support our work.
We got a ton of stuff going on.
We're going to be doing a big marketing campaign for Tales from the Inverted World because if you guys haven't seen it, man, go to youtube.com slash tales from the inverted world, search for it.
The latest episode's 40 minutes, and it is, like, Hunter S. Thompson meets the X-Files, but it's a real story.
Shane Cashman went down to Georgia to look for the lost Confederate gold, and he tells the story of what it was like, and it was creepy, he met crazy people, witches, someone threatened to kill him.
No joke.
Because it's, like, people don't realize that history of the Civil War runs deep in these towns.
The town where Jefferson dissolved the Confederacy?
They still feel all of that.
And so he shows up and someone left him a voicemail like they were going to kill him if he didn't stop trying to find out where this gold was.
And they're UFOs because there's military research stuff going on and people come out and they see these weird things in the sky.
So it's really cool stuff.
It's like real life X-Files almost.
So we're going to be doing a big push for that because the episodes have just gotten so amazing.
Production quality has been upped dramatically.
The episodes are going to be upwards of an hour long each.
We've got, I think, 10 episodes this season.
And then we're going to be launching another show with Shane where he's going to do a weekly conversation show about weird, wild stories.
And that will just be the consistent conversation that happens when the seasonal shows are in production.
ian crossland
You said when Jefferson ended the Confederacy?
Jefferson Davis?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
It was funny because it was his first name.
You're on a first name basis.
kurt schlichter
I thought he meant the Jeffersons moving on up.
Not Thomas Jefferson, that's for sure.
Sherman Hemsley.
ian crossland
Sherman, great actor, by the way.
kurt schlichter
Oh, classic.
Used to watch that as a kid.
And on The Family, which of course could not ever be made today because it's just... It was just such a good show.
libby emmons
Sometimes I remember 227 because of how much Pearl loved Luther Vandross.
Have you heard of DrivenBillboards.net?
kurt schlichter
It's mobile billboards that go wherever you want.
libby emmons
I think it might be perfect for your advertising campaign.
kurt schlichter
You know Pearl was my favorite character her social security number was
tim pool
She loved Luther Vandross Steve McQueen says have you heard of driven billboards net? It's a mobile
It's mobile billboards that go wherever you want. I think it might be perfect for your advertising campaign. I think
unidentified
so, too Steve McQueen
tim pool
billboards, I'll I will look into that and let's see if these companies are going to be like, yo, I'm not putting that video on my truck.
And I'll be like, why not?
unidentified
Why not?
tim pool
What's wrong with it?
kurt schlichter
Why not?
Are you a transphobe?
libby emmons
Take the money.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
OMG Puppy says, why don't they just say Latin, a perfectly acceptable adjective that's long been used to refer to Hispanics?
ian crossland
Which is strange because they're not Latin.
Latin is a language that's no longer in use.
kurt schlichter
It's Latin roots, but so is France.
But French and Romanian are also romance languages.
It's Portuguese.
um yeah i i just love it you know my my wife of course immigrated from cuba and the only way i could make her more annoyed uh than calling her latinx is if i did it wearing a chay t-shirt Oh, nice.
tim pool
Anthony Floor says, I can see myself 20 years from now watching Ian come out on TimCast IRL as a reformed Catholic, and it would be the greatest character arc of all time.
ian crossland
All right, you got me.
kurt schlichter
Trad Cath Ian.
Him and Matt Walsh.
He's like, Matt, you're not cutting it.
Jesus, that would be a good sitcom.
tim pool
His hair is cut short, he's shaved, he's wearing a button-up shirt, he looks just like Seamus.
ian crossland
I come in and Matt's ripping the bong.
I'm like, what's happening to you, man?
tim pool
That would actually be funny if like we did a bit where it's like 10 years in the future and Seamus has long hair and he's just like, I don't know about all that.
ian crossland
He kind of looks like Jesus from the pictures.
tim pool
No, but it's like long hair and he's like an atheist, secular hippie.
And then like you become Catlin and you have like a suit on like Seamus, you need to come back.
And he's like, I don't, I don't know, man.
ian crossland
I don't understand you.
tim pool
That'd be funny.
All right, there was a super chat I wanted to see, but someone mentioned sending that video to their mom.
Maybe I'll find it.
DBZDragon says, Tim, I recommend you and the group look up Peter Boghossian.
He's a former Portland State professor of philosophy, and his work on street epistemology is worth the look.
We are good friends with Peter.
He's rad.
I periodically talk to him.
I've interviewed him before.
We've, yeah.
Cool, dude.
We should have him on the show.
I don't know what his schedule's like.
lydia smith
He's a very, very busy man.
tim pool
Very busy man.
lydia smith
Yeah, we can try.
tim pool
Very busy man.
ian crossland
Get busy on IRL.
tim pool
Yeah, be busy.
It's good, huh?
lydia smith
You just need to come all the way across the country.
unidentified
It's no big deal.
That's all.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Canis Vulpes says, just got out of the military.
Here is some tax money back.
Driving from NC to AZ.
Thanks for making this trip more enjoyable.
Hey, appreciate it, man.
unidentified
All right.
Cool.
ian crossland
When you go through the Grand Canyon, if you get near there, it gets really cold.
Have you ever noticed, ever driven past the Grand Canyon?
libby emmons
Is it cold?
ian crossland
I think all the heat's falling into the canyon.
kurt schlichter
Heat rises!
ian crossland
Usually, yeah.
kurt schlichter
You would think.
ian crossland
But it's like hitting the ground and then rising up above the base of the canyon.
libby emmons
I only went to the Grand Canyon once and it was the X-Files series finale.
lydia smith
That's awesome.
libby emmons
And we had all this, well, we thought we had all this weed, but it kind of got lost at the airport.
Anyway, it was a fun trip.
It was a fun trip.
It was a fun trip.
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
Wow.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Watch out for black guys.
EO2 Dave says, Trump drained the water from the swamp and exposed the creatures.
Quite the achievement considering all the snakes and It is a fair point.
He may not have emptied the swamp, but he did do a little and all of a sudden we could see a lot being exposed.
Shout out to our good enemy, John Bolton.
I'll make the joke about good friends for a lot of people, but not him.
Coming on TV and outright saying, like, I've staged coup d'etat in many countries.
lydia smith
Go on.
tim pool
And then Frum was like, he shouldn't post jokes.
kurt schlichter
I know, Frum's like, eh, stay on the oop-kay!
tim pool
Yo, but it's like all of the stuff that was supposedly a secret is just coming out in the open now after Trump.
Bolton's like, yeah, I did it.
And everyone's like, wow.
kurt schlichter
Well, you know, at one point secrets mattered because, you know, you'd have a media that would expose them.
And now it's like you got Hunter Biden.
You know, showing off the whole butcher shop, you know, walking around, weighing the crack, got the hookers.
The nice thing is, you know, people are like, oh, this is a terrible security breach.
No, it isn't!
Because there's nothing you can do to blackmail this guy.
What do the Chinese have to do?
We have the real dirt on you.
tim pool
What are you going to do?
kurt schlichter
Three hookers at a time?
tim pool
All right, Scallywag Swagger says hollow points aren't banned, that's a lie.
They expand to stop overpenetration and collateral life loss.
You talk about DeSantis but seem to forget he signed red flag laws.
unidentified
Ooh, is that true?
lydia smith
Don't forget, I don't forget that, it is true.
tim pool
He did that?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Really?
lydia smith
He might start coming just like any other politician.
tim pool
And Trump banned bump stocks.
Trump said, I like taking the guns first and then going to the courts or whatever.
kurt schlichter
If only we had some sort of process where we could question the candidate before deciding if they were finally a nominee.
tim pool
What do you think?
libby emmons
I wonder what that would be.
kurt schlichter
That would be amazing.
libby emmons
That would be really interesting.
We might want to institute something like that.
kurt schlichter
Also, I had a similar notion.
Yesterday, somebody was saying, well, how are we going to know what the framers said?
unidentified
If only there was some means of- I wonder if there was maybe a document.
libby emmons
Perhaps they would have written it down.
kurt schlichter
A way to permanently etch your thoughts in some media.
libby emmons
And maybe they would have written down additionally things they thought about
the things they wrote down in the first place.
kurt schlichter
I wonder- Would have been so useful.
libby emmons
Maybe 81 of them.
kurt schlichter
Are there 81?
libby emmons
Aren't there 81 Federalist Papers?
lydia smith
I think so, yeah.
kurt schlichter
Jason, there are a couple lesser Federalist Papers.
libby emmons
I'm only getting that from Hamilton.
I only remember that from Hamilton.
kurt schlichter
Alexander Hamilton wrote the other 51.
Where they compare and fight over Star Trek versus Star Wars.
Those are the really key ones.
The lesser known ones with kind of esoteric conflicts.
tim pool
Jason D says, draining the swamp did not rid us of the monsters, it exposed the monsters.
And in that, Trump certainly succeeded.
Again, again, fair point, fair point.
kurt schlichter
Same point.
tim pool
All right, Daniel Spratt says, look into Lure.
kurt schlichter
Is that what it's called?
tim pool
Lure?
Building a streaming service with non-woke content.
Marcus Pittman is the guy behind it.
ian crossland
How do you spell that?
tim pool
Does it say Lure?
It's like L-O-O-R, I think.
kurt schlichter
Lure.
tim pool
It's like the text is really small.
kurt schlichter
I thought it'd be L-U-R-E.
ian crossland
Lure.tv.
Maybe it's Lure.tv.
libby emmons
Yeah, is that it?
unidentified
85.
kurt schlichter
They were 85.
libby emmons
They're 85?
85 Federalist Papers.
unidentified
Okay.
libby emmons
I know Hamilton wrote 51.
unidentified
All right.
kurt schlichter
Oh, wow.
libby emmons
John Jay wrote 8, I think.
kurt schlichter
And J.K.
Rowling wrote two.
lydia smith
I'm sure, yes.
Sounds right.
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
Russ says, any comment about the Ray Epps Washington Post story?
His reasoning seems plausible.
I didn't see it.
What was it?
Did anybody see it?
kurt schlichter
I did not.
tim pool
I can comment on it.
kurt schlichter
There was a Times one.
libby emmons
It was the New York Times.
kurt schlichter
And they said, you know, here's this victim.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's like... A guy who's on video telling people to engage in entering the Capitol is a victim, and me, a guy who read the news, is included in this video montage by Raskin.
libby emmons
Reading the news is treason.
kurt schlichter
Yes, you have correctly assessed the situation.
tim pool
Yeah, these people are duplicitous, deceitful, and...
You know, I am unhappy with the representation that he is bringing forth in Montgomery County in Maryland, where many of my employees actually live.
He's Montgomery.
It surrounds Frederick.
unidentified
Twerking for liberty.
kurt schlichter
That's what you need to do.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
There was that one I wanted to find.
kurt schlichter
Someone mentioned, uh, I don't want to culturally appropriate his twerking.
libby emmons
Exactly.
You gotta be careful with that.
tim pool
Waffle Sensei says Trump will give the left the ammunition they need to hurt DeSantis because Trump is a comedian.
Trump needs to walk away, but he won't.
The poll said 94% of Democrats will vote against Trump again.
That's true.
kurt schlichter
No, that's, that is true.
But then again, look, Trump's saying he's going to run.
people around him say he's gonna run.
Trump doesn't know whether he's gonna run or not.
tim pool
He's Trump.
libby emmons
Oh, he's running.
He really wants to.
He could.
You remember how he keeps saying, I'm gonna make an announcement,
you're gonna be very happy.
kurt schlichter
He wrote that note.
The note says, Kurt, you'll be very happy with me.
Oh my God.
You'll be happy with what you see.
libby emmons
He says that all the time.
kurt schlichter
Of course I framed it.
libby emmons
Well, sure, why not?
kurt schlichter
On a big gold frame.
lydia smith
A garish frame, yeah.
kurt schlichter
A garish gold frame.
He's an interesting cat, and I gotta say, I miss the entertainment value.
libby emmons
It was fun.
kurt schlichter
But it's been seven years, and it's a legit question.
He came down the aisle and said, it's a legit question.
Is the Trump Act still the best way forward for us?
ian crossland
Yeah, you mentioned his lack of discipline.
We're talking about posing a military commander.
It's gotta be the most disciplined, I believe, of the choices.
kurt schlichter
It helps.
libby emmons
We haven't had a disciplined president in a really long time.
kurt schlichter
That's true.
unidentified
I mean, Bush was probably into discipline, but that's personal life.
libby emmons
That's a different kind of thing.
kurt schlichter
He always seemed like a guy who probably, you don't want to know what he's going on behind closed doors.
libby emmons
And Laura always has that little smile.
kurt schlichter
Laura was stern and unforgiving.
libby emmons
Unyielding.
unidentified
Laura Ashley dresses.
kurt schlichter
Wear something conservative.
I want you to look like you're going to church on Easter.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh, yeah.
kurt schlichter
It's hot.
unidentified
You too are bad at this.
kurt schlichter
There we go.
It's the Kurt Libby show.
lydia smith
Yeah, I love it.
tim pool
I'm looking for a super jet, that's why.
kurt schlichter
In the meantime, buy my book, people.
ian crossland
Yeah, where can people get that?
We'll be back.
kurt schlichter
Well, I'm glad you asked that, Ian.
You can get We'll Be Back, The Fall and Rise of America at Amazon or Barnes & Noble or your fine purveyor of fine books.
And I want to emphasize, it is not a baton death march of people going, you know, as Locke used to say, well, Hobbes pointed out, it is not that.
libby emmons
Did you do an audiobook version?
kurt schlichter
They wanted me to, but I said, look, no one wants to listen to me for eight hours.
I don't think anybody wants to listen to me for two hours.
ian crossland
I think they might.
The guy driving from North Carolina to Arizona.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
kurt schlichter
That poor guy might drive him off the road.
If his annoying nasal voice doesn't stop, I'm going to find myself at the bottom of the Grand Canyon.
tim pool
That's perfect.
I can't find that.
There was one I really wanted to read.
Someone said that they sent the video to their, like, aunt or something.
lydia smith
Oh, I saw that, yeah.
tim pool
She changed her tune.
They responded with, like, okay, this is weird, this stuff's, like, nonsense, and it opened the door to conversation.
unidentified
That's right.
lydia smith
Oh, I wish I saw that.
unidentified
That's cool.
tim pool
The key to ending the political conflict in this country is one man, a hero, as it were, who put everything upon his shoulders, twerking fat men in tighty-whities.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
kurt schlichter
Wouldn't it be great if he was, like, a giant MAGA guy?
He's like, I work in HVAC.
I went out to twerk because I knew I would be the red pill.
I will jump on the grenade.
tim pool
A single tear comes from his eyes.
He takes all his pills.
kurt schlichter
Someone's got to do it.
For America.
tim pool
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I know some people have mentioned we've been having issues.
There's an issue with PayPal that happens like at around like one year so some people were affected by and some weren't and we had no idea it would happen so just at the one year mark everybody a bunch of people were like whoa weird so we're working on fixing it and um I knew it was going to happen that the announcement's not ready but it's not our fault it's the other We're excited for what's to come, and y'all are going to be really excited when we announce this stuff.
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Kurt, you want to shout anything out?
kurt schlichter
Well, first of all, thank all you guys for having me out here.
Lydia, Libby, Ian, and of course you, Tim.
I always love coming out here because I'm not surrounded by damn communists like I am in Los Angeles.
Get the book!
Like I said, I would like Regnery to release my family.
And if I don't sell books, they will be in bondage like George Bush.
But we're not going to go down that road again.
Thanks for having me.
libby emmons
Shouting things out.
I will shout out the Postmillennial.
I'm at the Postmillennial every day and you should come check it out.
I'm at Libby Emmons on Twitter and also Instagram.
ian crossland
You can follow me at iancrossland.net.
Go through that portal to any of my social media accounts if you want to follow me there.
Thank you for being a part of this up and down wild ride, man.
Kurt, I love you.
Thank you for coming out.
kurt schlichter
Ian, you complete me.
ian crossland
Let's do this again!
See you guys later.
libby emmons
It is actually so fun being on this show.
unidentified
It's fun.
It's a good time.
kurt schlichter
I literally fly across the country just to be on this show.
lydia smith
We're happy to bring you out for sure.
kurt schlichter
Thank you.
lydia smith
Thank you guys all very much for tuning in this evening.
And I wanted to say before we go that you're not going to change the minds of hardcore leftists, but you might change the minds of people who haven't seen, for example, Trump's whole speech where he talked about the quote, verifying people and stuff like that.
People who watch the full context, often their minds are changed like that super chat that we did not have a chance to get to.
Very important.
It is possible.
Give people the full context and be patient with them.
You guys can follow me on Twitter and Mines.com at SourPatchlets as well as SourPatchlets.me.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about an hour.
Thanks for hanging out.
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