Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Sunday Uncensored: Larry Sharpe Member Podcast: Colbert 'Insurrection' Is Actually Dramatic Escalation In Culture War, We Are Frogs Boiling In A Pot
Aired: 2022-06-26
Duration: 38:23


=== Stephan And Tucker Discuss (14:41) ===

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[00:00:24]  My friends, I am eternally grateful for all of you as members.
[00:00:29]  These are trying times.
[00:00:30]  Over the past few nights, we have been suffering.
[00:00:34]  Seamus was crying.
[00:00:35]  He wouldn't stop.
[00:00:36]  Crying.
[00:00:36]  I was literally crying my eyes out.
[00:00:37]  Crying.
[00:00:38]  I'm so really affected.
[00:00:39]  Because of the insurrection that took place at the Longworth House building when violent, violent members of Stephen Colbert's staff breached the Longworth building in an act of violence and were arrested.
[00:00:58]  Now Colbert is trying to defend this insurrection against these United States.
[00:01:04]  Disgusting.
[00:01:05]  I eat when I'm stressed, so the whole thing has just got me.
[00:01:09]  Are you eating Sour Patch Kids?
[00:01:10]  Red, white, and blue Sour Patch Kids?
[00:01:12]  I'm trying to reaffirm my wonderful country after it was almost overthrown.
[00:01:16]  That's right.
[00:01:17]  It was almost overthrown by Triumph the Comic Dog.
[00:01:20]  I couldn't believe it.
[00:01:20]  So Stephen Colbert comes out, and he downplays what happened.
[00:01:26]  And here's the funny thing.
[00:01:27]  Just like Trump, by the way.
[00:01:29]  Just like Trump.
[00:01:30]  Let's go to the chase.
[00:01:32]  Tucker Carlson said it was an insurrection.
[00:01:34]  He's obviously being tongue-in-cheek.
[00:01:36]  Stephen Colbert is like, the TV people said it was an insurrection.
[00:01:39]  What?
[00:01:40]  Huh?
[00:01:40]  They weren't even in the Capitol building!
[00:01:42]  Tucker didn't say they were in the Capitol building.
[00:01:44]  Colbert is a piece of shit.
[00:01:45]  He's a liar.
[00:01:46]  This is how they manipulate you.
[00:01:48]  Tucker Carlson was making a point that when the police opened the door to the Capitol building, not the rioters, but on the other side of the building, one of these guys, his name was Martin something, he gets acquitted because there's a video of him being fanned in by cops.
[00:02:03]  And the judge was like, yeah, he was let in.
[00:02:06]  Colbert's people were told to leave and then broke back in.
[00:02:10]  So this is a combination of things.
[00:02:13]  I don't think we're going to see any real charges, and I think this is an example of the machine protects itself.
[00:02:20]  And I'll add on top of this, which will bring us into the bigger conversation, I suppose.
[00:02:24]  Perhaps I am biased, but we've been threatened and have dealt with so much bullshit, and I wonder why it is law enforcement hasn't done anything about it, haven't found these guys, haven't stopped them.
[00:02:34]  You know what?
[00:02:34]  To be fair, with January 6th, it took them months to years to find some of the people involved in the riot.
[00:02:42]  Maybe in a year we can see the people who have been swatting us and coming after us getting, you know, getting charged or something like that.
[00:02:50]  But I don't know.
[00:02:51]  I view this as... Maybe people don't care this much, but when I was talking about this on the main show that we're frogs in a pot and the water's starting to boil, this story actually, in my opinion, is probably one of the most serious stories in the context of a civil war is coming.
[00:03:09]  Why this one?
[00:03:10]  Stephen Colbert, late night TV, forced to defend seven staff members who broke into a congressional office building in the dead of night and have to explain away why it was not an act of insurrection against the United States government is fucking nuts.
[00:03:27]  Was he defending their actions?
[00:03:29]  He said they were just detained.
[00:03:31]  Yeah, but the issue here is what their argument would be.
[00:03:35]  Let me say what their argument would be.
[00:03:38]  The argument would be that the day they were doing this wasn't stopping a peaceful transfer of power.
[00:03:45]  That's their argument, right?
[00:03:46]  So that's not an insurrection.
[00:03:48]  Right.
[00:03:48]  But then the day that the cops waved in these other people, well, that was the day that there was a transfer of power going on.
[00:03:54]  Sure, sure.
[00:03:55]  So their argument would be that's why it's not an insurrection.
[00:03:58]  So I don't understand why this is the big one.
[00:04:00]  Why is this one the big one?
[00:04:00]  This is one of the biggest stories because a late-night TV show host is directly addressing the culture war and the breakdown of this country.
[00:04:08]  Oh, thank you.
[00:04:08]  Involving himself.
[00:04:10]  So my point is, I obviously understand his point about insurrection, but the issue is Well, actually, I have the tweet right here.
[00:04:17]  You're saying because this guy now has to step up into the culture war, where usually he's controlling the culture war, usually, you're saying now he's in it?
[00:04:27]  Yeah.
[00:04:28]  So I have this.
[00:04:29]  I wrote on Twitter, if this is insurrection, then Colbert's staff did way worse.
[00:04:33]  CNN reported a federal judge found Matthew Martin not guilty of four federal misdemeanor charges related to trespassing, marking the first time a U.S.
[00:04:39]  Capitol riot defendant was acquitted.
[00:04:41]  Martin worked as a contractor, blah, blah, blah.
[00:04:42]  He argued, successfully, a Capitol Police officer waved him into the building.
[00:04:46]  At least one video played during the trial appeared to show an officer moving his arm in a waving motion.
[00:04:51]  Not only that, but they opened the doors.
[00:04:53]  They call that an insurrection.
[00:04:55]  They don't distinguish between those who were let into the building and took selfies with cops, which was many of these people, and those who were fighting with cops on the other side of the building, multiple entrances.
[00:05:05]  Stephen Colbert's staff was told to leave.
[00:05:07]  Got it.
[00:05:08]  They were told not to come back.
[00:05:10]  They were let in, reportedly by Adam Schiff, and they were banging on doors and, like, causing a ruckus after hours.
[00:05:17]  That is worse than what these other people were charged with.
[00:05:21]  The people who are fighting, trying to break in to shut down something, fine.
[00:05:25]  Call it whatever you want.
[00:05:26]  This guy, Matthew Martin, wasn't insurrecting.
[00:05:29]  He wasn't trying to shut down anything.
[00:05:31]  He was let in and he walked around like, you know, they call them MAGA memos.
[00:05:36]  Regardless, I can understand why you'd be like, well, all of these people there were doing something.
[00:05:40]  Sure, whatever.
[00:05:41]  My point is, for one, he's wrong.
[00:05:44]  What his staff did was worse.
[00:05:46]  It wasn't the Capitol building.
[00:05:47]  It was a Longworth building.
[00:05:48]  But the big thing here is, I was kind of shocked to see Stephen Colbert have to come out and talk about his involvement in the culture war.
[00:05:57]  Did he do it on his show?
[00:05:59]  On his show.
[00:05:59]  But what's the outcome of this?
[00:06:01]  Do you think that now he's going to have to back off?
[00:06:04]  Do you think now he triples down?
[00:06:06]  What do you think the outcome is here?
[00:06:09]  Here's the way I'm putting it.
[00:06:12]  We look at this right now and we're like, but nothing happened.
[00:06:15]  His staff were just telling jokes.
[00:06:16]  Why is it a big deal?
[00:06:17]  Because if four years ago I said, In four years, Stephen Colbert, as the host of The Late Show, will have to address why seven of his staff members were arrested after breaking in or being illegally allowed to enter by a Democrat into a Congressional building, and the Capitol Police had already told him to leave, and he explained to his audience of two million people why this was not an insurrection against the federal government.
[00:06:43]  You'd be like, shut the fuck up!
[00:06:45]  That's insane!
[00:06:47]  There's no fucking way a late night comedian is going to go on TV and talk to the entire country and say, my staff did not try to overthrow the government.
[00:06:55]  That's stupid bullshit.
[00:06:57]  He's not just a comedian though, he's a political show.
[00:07:00]  He is, that's true.
[00:07:01]  So I guess where I'm going with this is, this to me goes back to what we talked about earlier, which is, this is becoming the norm.
[00:07:08]  Like, it's okay that we do this now, right?
[00:07:12]  So, it's okay that I stalk a Supreme Court justice.
[00:07:16]  It's okay that I go do these things now.
[00:07:20]  This is a problem.
[00:07:22]  So, I'm thinking, let's go even back 10 years.
[00:07:24]  Let's go back to Gamergate.
[00:07:25]  Remember GamerGate?
[00:07:26]  Yep.
[00:07:27]  No, you got a bunch of Sargon of a kind, Carl Benjamin, and he's like, that Danisa Tarkisian is, is a ho-ho laughable and cunt or whatever he would say about her.
[00:07:35]  I don't know, Sargon, big fan.
[00:07:37]  And, uh, imagine going back to Carl Benjamin in 2013 and saying, in 10 years, Stephen Colbert will be the host of The Late Show, taking over for who, Jay Leno?
[00:07:49]  Who did he take over for?
[00:07:50]  I don't fucking know.
[00:07:51]  Yeah, was it Leno? Yeah, it was supposed to be Conan. Conan got fired and then...
[00:07:55]  Taking over for Leno. I think it's how it went.
[00:07:56]  And you'll be like, oh, okay, I mean, that sounds believable.
[00:07:59]  And in 2022, seven of his staff members will have been arrested for
[00:08:04]  illegally entering a congressional building.
[00:08:05]  He will then be facetiously accused of staging an insurrection against the government,
[00:08:10]  and he'll be forced to address it because Capitol Police will have arrested his staff.
[00:08:14]  You'd be like, shut the fuck up.
[00:08:15]  And you might be like, okay, well, that sounds like a joke.
[00:08:18]  Yes, but a year and a half prior, 800 or so Trump supporters, supporters of then-President Donald Trump, will break into the Capitol.
[00:08:28]  They'd go, okay, fuck you!
[00:08:30]  No fucking way!
[00:08:32]  I'm just like, in 10 years' time, Donald Trump became president, was accused of being a Russian agent, Joe Biden, Ukrainegate, January 6, Texas v Pennsylvania, all of this.
[00:08:49]  When I see these things, I see January 6th, I'm like, holy fuck, dude.
[00:08:54]  I watched that happen.
[00:08:55]  It was scary.
[00:08:56]  Facebook basically banned me.
[00:08:58]  They booted me from the partner program for putting up a video covering what happened on January 6th.
[00:09:02]  Fuck Facebook.
[00:09:04]  And I remember watching that happen, thinking this is insane.
[00:09:06]  Right.
[00:09:07]  I think about Texas v. Pennsylvania when I covered this.
[00:09:10]  Half the country was suing, half the country arguing the election was illegitimate.
[00:09:13]  Yep.
[00:09:14]  And now we're at the point where there's no escape.
[00:09:17]  Everyone is involved now.
[00:09:20]  Stephen Colbert is... He was a propagandist, he was a comedian, joking about it.
[00:09:24]  Are you blackpilled here?
[00:09:26]  Are you saying that's it?
[00:09:27]  We're gonna be civil warring?
[00:09:29]  Why is that black though?
[00:09:31]  For some that's a white pill.
[00:09:33]  Civil war's a white pill?
[00:09:34]  For a lot of people.
[00:09:36]  I don't know what... No, no, white pill will be... We're gonna...
[00:09:40]  We're going to politely somehow break this country up.
[00:09:42]  Civil war is bad.
[00:09:44]  I'm not saying civil war is bad.
[00:09:45]  I'm saying this is the factionalization at all levels.
[00:09:49]  It could result in peaceful divorce.
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[00:11:09]  But not only that, civil war is bad.
[00:11:12]  You don't want violence.
[00:11:13]  Yeah, I mean, that would be terrible.
[00:11:14]  Right.
[00:11:15]  But for the left, they do.
[00:11:19]  They don't want a civil war.
[00:11:19]  They want to own it.
[00:11:21]  So for them, they're happy about it.
[00:11:22]  But that's not a white pill.
[00:11:24]  That's not happiness.
[00:11:24]  It's coming from hate.
[00:11:25]  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[00:11:27]  Yeah, you really mean that?
[00:11:28]  White pill is like optimism.
[00:11:29]  We're going to win.
[00:11:30]  Black pill is we're doomed.
[00:11:31]  No, it's not about winning and losing.
[00:11:33]  White pill is about people surviving and thriving.
[00:11:36]  All of us.
[00:11:37]  You see, the whole reason why, I mean, the reason why I do what I do so much and why I spend so much of my time and energy doing this is because I don't want it to fall into civil war.
[00:11:48]  Because I don't, I want to create an option for people to still make this viable so that people could say, you know what, when we're ready to have that battle and that fight and we're angry, there's some group of people or some individual I can go to to say, look, Larry, can you and your people, can you walk us through this?
[00:12:04]  Right?
[00:12:05]  Not, I hate the left or I hate the right so much that the only answer is, we're gonna start shooting each other.
[00:12:11]  Because when we stop talking, we start fighting.
[00:12:13]  I think dominoes are falling over and there's no way out.
[00:12:18]  That's Blackpill!
[00:12:19]  You're saying not Blackpill.
[00:12:20]  That's not Blackpill.
[00:12:22]  You're saying civil war is not blackmail?
[00:12:24]  That's kind of blackmail!
[00:12:25]  I did not just say a civil war was going to happen.
[00:12:27]  So how do we then make anything peaceful if we're not talking?
[00:12:31]  People's confidence breaks, trade routes dissolve, and then people start turning inward and stop communicating with the other factions.
[00:12:38]  Okay, but we're in the same cities and states.
[00:12:41]  We're all together.
[00:12:42]  Geographic hyperpolarization has already been happening to a great degree.
[00:12:45]  You've got half a million people fleeing to Florida, half a million people fleeing to Texas.
[00:12:49]  I know they're leaving New York State.
[00:12:50]  I'm well aware of that.
[00:12:53]  And we've got stories about liberal-leaning people fleeing West Virginia, too.
[00:12:58]  geographic hyperpolarization is happening.
[00:13:00]  You've got Roe v. Wade is gonna return power to the states.
[00:13:03]  Colorado removes all restrictions.
[00:13:04]  You can abort a baby at nine months.
[00:13:06]  Texas says not after six weeks.
[00:13:08]  I think it was Kansas or Oklahoma said none at all.
[00:13:11]  So once Roe v. Wade is overturned, tons of states are gonna outright ban it.
[00:13:14]  So what I'm saying is, for one, I will say, my initial statement was not that this ultimate,
[00:13:23]  that I was saying a civil war was happening, though I do think the most likely of the outcomes
[00:13:27]  will be a civil war because it is too optimistic to believe that after a peaceful divorce,
[00:13:31]  people just don't fight.
[00:13:33]  I think what is likely to happen is, just like the first Civil War, several states will declare their intent to secede, and for several months, nothing will happen.
[00:13:42]  And new trade agreements will emerge, states will stop working with each other, trade agreements will disappear, and then you will get a new president who says, fuck you, send in the tanks.
[00:13:52]  Then you get Civil War.
[00:13:52]  Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[00:13:53]  That's what happened in the first Civil War.
[00:13:54]  Yeah, I think that's what happened.
[00:13:56]  How do you think that won't happen?
[00:13:59]  It won't happen if we actually decentralize before.
[00:14:03]  The issue is- What do you mean, decentralize?
[00:14:05]  Right, look, the issue is executives right now and courts.
[00:14:09]  Executives and courts run this country, right?
[00:14:12]  Legislators do almost nothing, right?
[00:14:14]  So executives and courts run the country.
[00:14:16]  What do you mean?
[00:14:17]  Like executives business or- No, executive meaning in government.
[00:14:20]  I'm sorry, I should be clear.
[00:14:21]  I'm sorry.
[00:14:22]  Government executives, mayors, governors, presidents, along with courts run this country.
[00:14:27]  Our legislature does nothing.
[00:14:28]  I think they do.
[00:14:29]  Like what?
[00:14:30]  In Pennsylvania, for instance, it was a legislature that passed the unconstitutional voting law which allowed Joe Biden to win.
[00:14:35]  Yes, but without question that'll go to a court or the governor will change things.
[00:14:39]  The courts refused to hear any cases on it.

=== People Who Vote Matter (13:17) ===

[00:14:42]  Which is what, they did something, is my point.
[00:14:45]  Even not hearing it did something.
[00:14:47]  Yes, however, everything goes to a court now, right?
[00:14:51]  Because everyone sues, right?
[00:14:52]  If you pass a law, someone says it's not going to work, it goes to a court, a court says yes or no.
[00:14:57]  And that didn't happen.
[00:14:58]  It used to be that they passed a law and people said, oh, it's a law.
[00:15:02]  But now if not my team passes a law, it goes to a court, right?
[00:15:07]  So that's how that works now.
[00:15:08]  But that's what courts have always existed for, to interpret the law.
[00:15:10]  Yes, but it wasn't the norm.
[00:15:11]  Now it's the norm.
[00:15:13]  In other words, if you passed five laws in, say, New York State 10 years ago, Right?
[00:15:18]  It didn't go to everyone didn't go to court, because it was my team, we believe that that was working.
[00:15:22]  Now we believe that if it's not my team, it's by default, a bad law because my team didn't didn't authorize it.
[00:15:29]  I think that's more indicative of the left, not the right.
[00:15:32]  Okay.
[00:15:32]  But either way, rules and exceptions, right?
[00:15:34]  So my point being, the executives also control the violence far more than anything else, right?
[00:15:38]  Executives now control violence.
[00:15:39]  It was supposed to be that the assemblies in Congress controlled violence.
[00:15:43]  That's almost non-existent.
[00:15:44]  Almost always executives control violence now.
[00:15:47]  It was always executives that controlled violence.
[00:15:49]  That's what the executive branch is.
[00:15:50]  No, okay, let me be clearer then.
[00:15:52]  What I mean by that is, for example, war.
[00:15:55]  As we talked about earlier, we haven't declared war in the United States since 1943.
[00:15:58]  So in theory, we shouldn't have sent the troops anyplace because Congress controls when we send our troops, in theory.
[00:16:04]  But the executive does.
[00:16:07]  But that's the one instance for foreign excursions.
[00:16:10]  The Congress has to declare it.
[00:16:11]  The executive actually controls law enforcement and military.
[00:16:14]  Correct.
[00:16:15]  the executive controls law enforcement and military.
[00:16:18]  Correct, yes.
[00:16:19]  But as a general rule, a Congress has to pass a law.
[00:16:24]  That's one circumstance.
[00:16:25]  A mayor of a city decides when to send the police out, not the local city council.
[00:16:29]  The city council passes the law that says you have to enforce that law, right?
[00:16:33]  So in other words, the governor, the mayor in theory can't say, I'm going to arrest you for having blue bottles.
[00:16:43]  Unless the city council passes a law saying blue bottles are illegal.
[00:16:47]  But they've always chosen to arrest people for whatever made sense.
[00:16:51]  So if you had a blue bottle, they would say disorderly conduct.
[00:16:54]  It's always been that way.
[00:16:55]  I guess maybe.
[00:16:56]  It's always been that way.
[00:16:57]  I guess maybe.
[00:16:57]  So, fine, then I don't know why we're fighting over this.
[00:17:00]  Okay, yes, it's always been true.
[00:17:03]  My point being, either way, executives control the violence today.
[00:17:06]  Whether that has always been true or not, fine.
[00:17:07]  They control the violence.
[00:17:09]  If we don't have executives who agree to decentralization, to your point, a president will come in, or a governor will come in, or a mayor will come in and say, I'm not accepting this, I'm the ruler, and I will then put violence upon it.
[00:17:22]  We have to elect people who are executives, mayors, governors, presidents, who are okay with localization.
[00:17:30]  That's the way you asked, how do we make it peaceful?
[00:17:33]  That's how we make it peaceful.
[00:17:35]  We make it peaceful if executives are elected who go, I'm okay with decentralization.
[00:17:41]  If we don't do that, they will fight.
[00:17:42]  And so then how do we allocate weapons, military bases?
[00:17:46]  Well, again, if the executive's okay, we figure out a way of doing that, right?
[00:17:49]  That's the issue.
[00:17:50]  If the executives say, yes, I'm okay with decentralization, you will have a peaceful transfer.
[00:17:57]  But, you know, to me, if you don't have that, you're not going to have a peaceful transfer.
[00:18:00]  It sounds like you're saying, we will start this business by winning the lottery.
[00:18:05]  Maybe.
[00:18:07]  My view is, I think it's highly improbable that any executive is going to be like, I will gladly give up power.
[00:18:14]  You take a look at Eastern Oregon.
[00:18:16]  They want to secede?
[00:18:18]  Like hell, Oregon's going to allow them to fucking secede.
[00:18:20]  Never going to happen.
[00:18:21]  You're right.
[00:18:22]  But you're right.
[00:18:23]  If they did, it could avoid conflict.
[00:18:24]  Yes!
[00:18:25]  But it's never going to happen.
[00:18:26]  You're saying never.
[00:18:28]  And what I'm saying is, I don't want to be blackmailed.
[00:18:31]  So what I'm saying is, you may be right, and it may fall into this, but I don't want to be a guy that ten years from now has to look back to the violence and I say, I didn't do everything I could to stop this violence.
[00:18:41]  I'm doing, and maybe it is a lottery, but you know what?
[00:18:43]  I'm going to buy a lottery ticket then.
[00:18:45]  I'm buying the ticket.
[00:18:46]  I'm going to buy that ticket.
[00:18:47]  I wonder if it's more like saying, we've got reports that a hurricane is forming, you know, off the eastern port.
[00:18:53]  I don't want to believe it.
[00:18:55]  I'm going to try and be more optimistic, as opposed to saying, let's batten down the hatches, order a bunch of food.
[00:19:00]  It sucks, but it's coming.
[00:19:01]  Yeah, you disrupt the hurricane.
[00:19:03]  You can acknowledge that there's a hurricane coming.
[00:19:05]  Hurricanes are as big as Texas.
[00:19:08]  If I know that hurricane's coming, I have a couple of options.
[00:19:11]  I can pack up and leave.
[00:19:12]  That's an option.
[00:19:13]  I can do that.
[00:19:13]  I can surrender to the hurricane, pack up and leave.
[00:19:15]  And that may be the right thing.
[00:19:16]  But maybe as you know, no, if I hunker down, if I stay in the basement, maybe there's a shot I can survive this hurricane and save my house.
[00:19:24]  And here's the other part.
[00:19:25]  If I don't do that, I'm losing everything.
[00:19:27]  And that's what I see.
[00:19:29]  I see a civil war as being horrible.
[00:19:31]  It's been 150 years, more than that, since our last civil war.
[00:19:33]  And we're still paying the price for that in many ways.
[00:19:36]  Yeah, never-ended.
[00:19:36]  Yes, and we do another civil war?
[00:19:39]  We're going to pay for that for 200 years!
[00:19:41]  I don't want to pay that price.
[00:19:42]  So I will buy the lottery ticket, recognizing that the odds of what I'm doing are not high.
[00:19:46]  I'm not fooling myself.
[00:19:47]  I think lottery is going to run for governor and save the world.
[00:19:51]  No, I don't believe that.
[00:19:53]  But if I start and I get my word out that we can have a conversation, if enough people make this happen, we have a shot.
[00:20:00]  Do you think women should be allowed to abort their babies at eight and a half months?
[00:20:06]  Do I believe it?
[00:20:07]  No, I don't.
[00:20:08]  So how do you have a conversation then with the left?
[00:20:11]  Easy!
[00:20:12]  I stop talking about the idea that I'm anti-woman.
[00:20:16]  And I start talking about the idea of how do we help people make things better.
[00:20:19]  And they listen to me all the time.
[00:20:21]  All the time.
[00:20:22]  They listen to me all the time.
[00:20:23]  There's just not enough of me, and I don't get out enough to do this.
[00:20:25]  I'm only one person.
[00:20:27]  All the time, I'm able to have conversation with people on the left.
[00:20:30]  Most of the people in New York State do not realize you can have an abortion in eight and a half months.
[00:20:36]  I'm not joking.
[00:20:37]  Most don't know that.
[00:20:39]  Right.
[00:20:39]  Most don't even know that.
[00:20:40]  And when you tell them that, they go, wait a minute, my daughter was born eight and a half months.
[00:20:43]  I know!
[00:20:44]  And then they start thinking.
[00:20:45]  But that's not the left.
[00:20:46]  What do you mean it's not the left?
[00:20:48]  That is literally the left.
[00:20:50]  If they don't know, I would just call that uninformed, you know... Yes, but they vote Democrat.
[00:20:55]  Yeah, but the left refers to, like, the sect of young socialists, pro-abortion, politically active... I'm talking about people who vote.
[00:21:05]  I'm talking about people who vote.
[00:21:06]  Most young people don't vote.
[00:21:07]  No, so... Most young people don't vote.
[00:21:09]  The older people are the ones who vote.
[00:21:10]  How do you convince the people who are leading these liberals and filling their minds with garbage Hey guys, Josh Hammer here, the host of America on Trial with Josh Hammer, a podcast for the First Podcast Network.
[00:21:24]  Look, there are a lot of shows out there that are explaining the political news cycle, what's happening on the Hill, the this, the that.
[00:21:30]  There are no other shows that are cutting straight to the point when it comes to the unprecedented lawfare debilitating and affecting the 2024 presidential election.
[00:21:39]  We do all of that every single day right here on America on Trial with Josh Hammer.
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[00:21:46]  America on Trial with You mean, how do I convince them?
[00:21:52]  By showing them ways of getting what they want.
[00:21:54]  I'll give you a good example, alright?
[00:21:55]  I don't have to convince Vaush, I have to convince his audience.
[00:22:03]  That's number one.
[00:22:03]  I've convinced his audience.
[00:22:05]  But I could convince him if I could give him something else.
[00:22:07]  And the example I'll give you is, the left will often talk about things like, well, the rich should pay more.
[00:22:13]  They should pay their fair share.
[00:22:15]  They should pay for this or pay for that.
[00:22:17]  I hear it all the time.
[00:22:19]  So what do I tell them?
[00:22:19]  I say, well, how about we set up a system to where the wealthy companies can sponsor with naming rights for a bridge in New York City and spend $100 million a year to sponsor that bridge, and then that money will go to pay for the MTA.
[00:22:35]  And they go, oh.
[00:22:35]  No, they don't.
[00:22:37]  They say, are you nuts?
[00:22:38]  They shouldn't have the $100 million in the first place.
[00:22:40]  That's not what Democrats say.
[00:22:41]  I'm not talking about Democrats.
[00:22:42]  Those are the people who vote, and that's who I care about.
[00:22:45]  Right, so the civil war that's coming is because people like Colbert are pandering to the extremists.
[00:22:50]  Yep.
[00:22:51]  Well, no, it's coming because the fucking economy's been shredded by 400 years.
[00:22:55]  That's true also, yes.
[00:22:57]  But the point is, the people who give Colbert his money And they keep bowing to these people.
[00:23:01]  They don't.
[00:23:01]  liberal you're thinking about. The people give Colbert his money are Democrats in places like
[00:23:06]  New York City. And they keep bowing to these people. And if these people believe what I'm
[00:23:10]  saying, they will tell Colbert to stop or they will stop giving him money. They don't. They
[00:23:15]  don't because people, there are enough people like me who are telling them this. No, because
[00:23:18]  they're scared of what the left does. What do you mean what the left does?
[00:23:22]  We have people who are putting sending their children to schools with groomers because they're scared the left will
[00:23:27]  come and attack them Some people like these are people who know outright that
[00:23:31]  schools are grooming their kids with weird sexual content and they're like
[00:23:34]  But if I speak up my life will be destroyed The wealthy people don't send their kids to these schools
[00:23:40]  Yes, they do.
[00:23:41]  They send their kids to private schools.
[00:23:43]  And the private schools are overwhelmingly the most woke.
[00:23:45]  Which is why they're leaving them in New York State in droves, New York State in droves.
[00:23:49]  So, I can't speak for New York, but I thought what you thought, that the rich people were avoiding all this stuff, but we talked with James Lindsay and Christopher Rufo, and it turns out it's actually the most woke, and the highest level of indoctrination is among the rich kids.
[00:24:01]  So, the issue is, the people funding Colbert, you look at Felicia Sanmez and Taylor Lorenz, the stars of the Washington Post, they're leading the charge, and you can't convince them because they're zealots, they're in a cult.
[00:24:15]  So you can go to a regular person, I do it all the time, and I'll say something like, what is an assault weapon? And they'll say, I don't know.
[00:24:21]  And I just will calmly talk to people on Facebook and often it's fine. But the problem is those
[00:24:27]  people are not involved in politics.
[00:24:29]  So you can try and earn their vote. But the core factions, the people who are watching Colbert,
[00:24:34]  who are following this stuff, they believe, I'll tell you this, man.
[00:24:37]  This is why I told Steve Bannon he's wrong.
[00:24:41]  Donald Trump lost.
[00:24:43]  Because people I knew who had no business in politics, who know shit all, went out and filmed videos of themselves carrying their mail-in ballots to a mailbox like, I'm doing my part, are you?
[00:24:52]  Yep.
[00:24:53]  And these are friends of mine.
[00:24:55]  Yep.
[00:24:55]  And when I would say like, what are you looking forward to with Biden?
[00:24:58]  They would say, fuck you.
[00:25:01]  Those aren't your friends.
[00:25:02]  I know they're not, but this was people who were my friends, who all of a sudden were like, the Nazis have taken over, they're marching.
[00:25:11]  I tell you this, when I saw people I grew up with doing the red salute in Chicago, I said, something fucked is coming.
[00:25:18]  And when my friend, who knows jack all about bullshit, doesn't care about it, all of a sudden is talking about why Marx was right and doing red salutes, Give it 10 years.
[00:25:30]  Maybe you look at the people who are voting the older generation, the boomers.
[00:25:33]  I do.
[00:25:34]  And when they age out in 10 years, and millennials and Gen Z come in, it's going to be fucking balls to the wall psychosis.
[00:25:40]  At that point, I'm done.
[00:25:41]  I've done my bit.
[00:25:42]  And if I haven't moved enough people by then, I have to move people.
[00:25:46]  I just don't want to surrender.
[00:25:47]  I don't want to surrender to the black belt.
[00:25:48]  So this is my point.
[00:25:50]  People often think that politics is determined by winning hearts and minds.
[00:25:55]  It's absolutely not.
[00:25:56]  It's by winning children.
[00:25:58]  And that's why we see the left in schools doing what they're doing with LGBT curriculum and Drag Queen Story Hour and things like that.
[00:26:05]  Because they know you don't convince someone to change their mind on politics.
[00:26:08]  That's rare.
[00:26:10]  You raise them in politics and they never change their minds.
[00:26:13]  So what's happening now is we have this poll from the SPLC that shows among older generation, Single digits support revolution and assassination.
[00:26:21]  Of course.
[00:26:22]  Among younger generation, 55 and below.
[00:26:24]  100%.
[00:26:25]  One third.
[00:26:25]  Yep.
[00:26:26]  And half of young Democrat men are in favor of assassinations, which means it doesn't matter if you go to a liberal boomer and say, vote for me.
[00:26:34]  In 10 years, that millennial is going to be like, time to kill people.
[00:26:39]  So my thing is like... Let's be clear.
[00:26:42]  There is a very important reason why the youth are that way.
[00:26:46]  A very important reason why.
[00:26:48]  Most of them don't have any hope.
[00:26:51]  That's the reality.
[00:26:52]  Most of them don't have any hope.
[00:26:54]  Think about it.
[00:26:54]  I mean, I know some of you are in that age group of 20-somethings, 30s, right, in that area.
[00:26:59]  If you graduated from high school or college around 2008 or so, if you're in that age range, man, recession after pain after recession after pain.
[00:27:09]  Of course you feel that this doesn't work for you.
[00:27:11]  Of course you feel that way.
[00:27:12]  So now, what do most people on the right say?
[00:27:15]  For the average right person, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
[00:27:18]  What does the left say?
[00:27:19]  It's their fault.
[00:27:21]  See, it's their fault.
[00:27:22]  It's the rich people's fault.
[00:27:23]  They're the bad guys.
[00:27:24]  They're the ones.
[00:27:25]  Everything's bad because of those people.
[00:27:28]  Well, that feels a whole lot better than I suck.
[00:27:31]  Right?
[00:27:31]  Yep.
[00:27:31]  It feels a whole lot better to say those rich people, they're the bad guys and you and you're bad because of them versus I have to take responsibility for my actions or I suck.
[00:27:39]  That doesn't feel good at all.
[00:27:40]  So they give me the right message.
[00:27:42]  Well, if I give them a better message, they will take it.
[00:27:45]  People tend to want hope, but you've got to give it to them in a way they can accept it and take it.
[00:27:50]  When people are hopeless, that's the best example I can give you is all these mass shootings.
[00:27:56]  What these mass shootings actually are, are public suicides.

=== Cannot Compete With Blame Games (04:39) ===

[00:28:00]  Yes.
[00:28:01]  So, if they are public suicides, these are young men who have nothing to live for.
[00:28:06]  This is the key issue.
[00:28:07]  So, how is it?
[00:28:07]  We have had people on this show, on the left, and we've had good conversations with them.
[00:28:12]  Sure.
[00:28:12]  We've taken pictures and we've smiled, and they go right back to Twitter and lie their asses off.
[00:28:17]  They don't care.
[00:28:19]  They just don't.
[00:28:20]  It's slow change.
[00:28:20]  However, there's something else though, and it's how I know this to be true.
[00:28:23]  There are people who, of their fan base, who watched your show, who are still watching now.
[00:28:30]  Yep.
[00:28:31]  There are a lot of people who messaged us saying that they used to be woke.
[00:28:33]  Bingo!
[00:28:34]  Yes, so it does work.
[00:28:36]  You don't have to change the individual.
[00:28:38]  You have to change their audience.
[00:28:40]  And you are doing it.
[00:28:41]  I do it too.
[00:28:41]  When I go on those shows, I get people who come to me.
[00:28:44]  That's why I go on those shows.
[00:28:46]  Am I going to change them?
[00:28:47]  No.
[00:28:48]  But can I get their audience?
[00:28:49]  Yes.
[00:28:50]  So you've gotten it to I know you have.
[00:28:52]  I'm not saying you don't, you know, you don't speak truth.
[00:28:56]  You don't try and correct the record.
[00:28:58]  I'm saying that there's a tsunami in front of us.
[00:29:00]  Yep.
[00:29:01]  And what I see as going on is I'm yelling to as many people as possible.
[00:29:05]  Yep.
[00:29:06]  Hey, you might want to get to higher ground.
[00:29:08]  And I'm saying, hey, we can fight the tsunami if enough of us stand up against it.
[00:29:11]  But you can't.
[00:29:12]  I think we can.
[00:29:14]  That's what HAARP is all about.
[00:29:16]  Fighting tsunamis.
[00:29:16]  That's the weather control modification system in Alaska.
[00:29:20]  Me and you are going to build HAARP.
[00:29:21]  There we go.
[00:29:21]  I love it.
[00:29:22]  In 2018, I said, it looks like civil war.
[00:29:25]  We're on that track.
[00:29:27]  Everyone said I was nuts.
[00:29:28]  And I was reading articles that were talking about the escalation of the rhetoric and the violence.
[00:29:33]  We had Ryan Long on this show a couple of times.
[00:29:36]  The comedian?
[00:29:36]  Yeah.
[00:29:37]  Oh, I love him.
[00:29:37]  He's great.
[00:29:38]  And like, it was like the second time he came on, he like kind of ambushed me.
[00:29:43]  We were talking before the show, and then as soon as we went live, and I was like, we're here with Ryan Long, and he goes, so Tim, you told me a civil war was happening.
[00:29:48]  You told me that a civil war was gonna come, and then I left kind of freaked out, and what happened?
[00:29:52]  And then I went, on January 6th, 800 Trump supporters stormed into the Capitol to shut down the Electoral College vote, and he went, oh.
[00:29:59]  See, people are in a pot.
[00:30:00]  They are frogs slowly boiling.
[00:30:03]  And so in 2018, when I watched 300 people boxing and smashing shields and sticks with another 300 other people, I was like, this is, according to history, prelude to civil war.
[00:30:15]  If this continues, civil war will happen.
[00:30:18]  That's the word, if!
[00:30:19]  And it did continue, and it got substantially worse.
[00:30:23]  Now we're at the point where not only did we have January 6th, which was really bad, I don't know if I would call it an insurrection because even the Fed said there was no real aim, it was just angry people, but that's all it really is sometimes.
[00:30:35]  But we also had Texas suing, questioning whether the election was illegitimate, The Supreme Court, whose duty bound, under original jurisdiction, to hear lawsuits between states, refused because the Supreme Court is comprised of cowards.
[00:30:51]  Only Thomas and Alito said, we have to hear this.
[00:30:53]  And now because they refuse to even entertain the concerns of Texas, The Texas GOP has just announced in their official platform Biden was illegitimately elected, citing specifically unconstitutional voter changes, which is what their lawsuit was about.
[00:31:09]  And you know what?
[00:31:10]  When I tweeted that, the left said, the voter fraud narrative is a lie, Tim.
[00:31:15]  You're a grifter.
[00:31:16]  I didn't tweet about voter fraud.
[00:31:18]  They don't give a shit.
[00:31:19]  The Young Turks.
[00:31:21]  I said in January, how will you convict someone of trespassing in the Capitol if the police let them in the building?
[00:31:26]  So the Young Turks made a video telling me that I was the stupidest person making the dumbest argument possible because of course they were trespassing, they walked over broken glass.
[00:31:35]  Matthew Martin was then acquitted and I was correct.
[00:31:38]  These people, for me it's not about left or right.
[00:31:41]  It's about what is true and what is happening.
[00:31:43]  But you have people like the Young Turks of massive prominence and influence, their audience size in terms of viewership rivals ours, who lie every day for clicks.
[00:31:52]  That is why I view it as inevitable.
[00:31:54]  Because no matter how much, I'm like, here is the court document and the proof.
[00:32:00]  I cannot compete, Crowder cannot compete, Joe Rogan cannot compete with a billion views per month intentionally lying to people to make them hate other people.
[00:32:13]  So if Joe Rogan comes out and says, this is true to his 11 million viewers per episode, and then across CNN, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, all of these networks, they're getting a collective billion plus views per month.
[00:32:26]  We are but a drop of water in the ocean compared to the lies that are coming out.
[00:32:32]  Colbert lied.
[00:32:33]  He said my staff was detained and then processed and released.
[00:32:35]  No, they were arrested and charged and could be facing further charges, but he lies.

=== The End of Gerrymandering? (04:30) ===

[00:32:40]  It's what he does.
[00:32:43]  There's nothing I'm saying that you're saying that I'm disagreeing with.
[00:32:46]  I'm not saying you're wrong on any of this.
[00:32:48]  My point is simply, I feel at this point, It's not about white pill or black pill.
[00:32:55]  It's not about what you want to happen or don't want to happen.
[00:32:59]  It's about it is happening.
[00:33:01]  Yeah, well, you're saying there's a hurricane.
[00:33:03]  Now, then you mentioned let's get to higher ground.
[00:33:05]  What's the higher ground?
[00:33:07]  The higher ground is basically get out of cities.
[00:33:09]  Yeah, but hold on.
[00:33:10]  There's an important aspect here.
[00:33:12]  Let's say you're correct.
[00:33:13]  And I'm not saying you're incorrect.
[00:33:14]  Then there's a horrible civil war coming.
[00:33:17]  At the end of the civil war, there's going to have to be reconstruction.
[00:33:19]  Right?
[00:33:19]  That's how it works.
[00:33:20]  Any war, there's going to be reconstruction.
[00:33:22]  Where are the people going to be for the Reconstruction?
[00:33:25]  Whatever that looks like.
[00:33:27]  Does it look like individual cities becoming city-states?
[00:33:30]  Does it look like individual states reconstituting?
[00:33:32]  Is a country reconstituting?
[00:33:34]  What is that Reconstruction?
[00:33:36]  Spanish Civil War.
[00:33:37]  70 years of military dictatorship.
[00:33:39]  Could be that, right?
[00:33:40]  But I don't want any of that.
[00:33:42]  That's my point.
[00:33:45]  Let's say I'm completely wrong.
[00:33:47]  And all this stuff I'm saying lands on deaf ears.
[00:33:50]  No one pays attention to Larry Sharpe's trying to come up with ideas to keep the left and right happy.
[00:33:54]  Ideas to keep the un-woke and the woke happy.
[00:33:56]  Ideas to keep the wealthy and the poor happy.
[00:33:58]  Which is all my ideas are to keep everybody as satisfied as possible, right?
[00:34:01]  So no one listens to me.
[00:34:03]  But then the revolution comes.
[00:34:04]  You're right.
[00:34:04]  There's a civil war.
[00:34:05]  People are dying.
[00:34:06]  Things are horrible.
[00:34:08]  Maybe at least at that point people look at what I said.
[00:34:10]  Oh yeah, let me try what Larry said.
[00:34:12]  That stuff made sense.
[00:34:13]  Let's try that now.
[00:34:13]  Now that we wiped the slate clean and we have millions dead... I'm not saying not do that.
[00:34:16]  Let's do that.
[00:34:17]  I think we agree.
[00:34:18]  That's what I'm doing regardless of the outcome.
[00:34:21]  Right.
[00:34:22]  Regardless of the outcome.
[00:34:25]  I want people to be thinking, I don't want to fall back into left versus right again.
[00:34:31]  America has a habit of winning a war and losing a peace.
[00:34:36]  Yep.
[00:34:37]  Right?
[00:34:37]  Or even not even win number one, losing the peace.
[00:34:39]  We can't lose the peace.
[00:34:40]  I'd like us to win the peace this time.
[00:34:42]  George Washington said that political parties were trash, don't do it.
[00:34:45]  Yeah.
[00:34:45]  And then what happened?
[00:34:46]  Yes.
[00:34:46]  The second president came in with a political party to operate after that?
[00:34:49]  It's because they did not understand that first past the post voting doesn't work.
[00:34:53]  Yes.
[00:34:55]  As soon as you get first past the post voting, you get a two party system.
[00:34:58]  Yep.
[00:34:58]  That's it.
[00:35:00]  So, you know, I look at the Founding Fathers and they were brilliant in a lot of ways with how they formed this government.
[00:35:04]  Three branches, checks and balances, amazing.
[00:35:07]  But they just did not know everything.
[00:35:09]  So like a rank choice voting system?
[00:35:12]  I'm a big fan.
[00:35:12]  One of the things that Yang and I agree with completely, we're on the same page totally on this, rank choice voting, right?
[00:35:20]  Easier ballot access, right?
[00:35:22]  So people can have more parties easier, right?
[00:35:25]  Absolutely.
[00:35:26]  And open primaries for gerrymandered districts.
[00:35:28]  Yeah.
[00:35:29]  Which you can't.
[00:35:29]  you have to have open primaries in the gerrymandering industry.
[00:35:32]  Unless you can end gerrymandering.
[00:35:33]  Which you can't.
[00:35:34]  If you can end gerrymandering, which you can't, right?
[00:35:35]  Right.
[00:35:35]  If you could end gerrymandering, I'm open to not having open primaries.
[00:35:38]  You can't end gerrymandering because you need it.
[00:35:40]  Yeah. So as you have gerrymandering, you have to have open primaries.
[00:35:42]  The issue with gerrymandering is that while it's obviously exploited very often,
[00:35:45]  people, I think a lot of people who talk about gerrymandering, they use this graphic where it shows blocks for districts
[00:35:52]  or for population size.
[00:35:53]  And it's like, you know, people don't live in cubes.
[00:35:56]  They live in like, if you look at cities, you might see a stretch of a district, and it's like, why is the district drawn in that weird way?
[00:36:02]  And it's like, because outside of that is a machine shop.
[00:36:05]  Right.
[00:36:06]  People don't live there.
[00:36:07]  Right.
[00:36:07]  So they drew the district to encompass where the people live.
[00:36:11]  Often, however, Democrats and Republicans will be like, let's do this.
[00:36:15]  So recently, before this election, before the census, Western Maryland grabbed a chunk of Frederick suburbs, turning the district Democrat.
[00:36:29]  Now they redistricted it and made Frederick part of, I think, Montgomery County, which basically gives the Republicans their district back.
[00:36:36]  New York State got sued because we were so bad.
[00:36:40]  The state's so broken, we actually lost a congressperson.
[00:36:46]  That's how bad our state is.
[00:36:47]  People are leaving our state so fast.
[00:36:49]  We lost a congressperson.
[00:36:49]  So we had to re-open the district from 27 to 26.
[00:36:51]  Well, Democrats control the state.
[00:36:54]  So they gerrymandered so badly to throw out all the Republicans because they were hoping to help So I'll wrap up with this.
[00:37:02]  I'm not trying to say that evil, bad, it's a nightmare, the world's coming to an end or anything like that.
[00:37:06]  I'm just saying the one thing we do that I think is important is try and enlighten and inform as many people as possible.

=== Wrap Up: Informing Truth (01:13) ===

[00:37:10]  That's why we do what we do.
[00:37:11]  Democrats fighting each other.
[00:37:12]  So, I'll wrap up with this.
[00:37:13]  I'm not trying to say that evil, bad, it's a nightmare, the world's coming to an end
[00:37:19]  or anything like that.
[00:37:20]  I'm just saying the one thing we do that I think is important is try and enlighten and
[00:37:24]  inform as many people as possible.
[00:37:26]  That's why we do what we do.
[00:37:27]  To get as many people to, like you were mentioning, there's a lot of people who maybe if you just
[00:37:32]  tell them the truth, they might snap out of it.
[00:37:34]  Yep.
[00:37:35]  And we've had a lot of those people.
[00:37:36]  I don't think that changes the fact that there's going to be a major constitutional or political crisis.
[00:37:42]  I agree with that.
[00:37:43]  Which involves fifth generational civil war.
[00:37:45]  We could be in it.
[00:37:46]  Something we haven't seen before.
[00:37:48]  But I'll wrap up with this.
[00:37:51]  When the late night show is involved, and half the country views them as having done this wrong thing, and they're like, we didn't!
[00:37:59]  Doesn't matter.
[00:38:00]  In correction, Colbert took over for David Letterman.
[00:38:03]  Oh, right, Letterman.
[00:38:04]  Fallon that took over for the other guy.
[00:38:07]  Larry, thanks for hanging out.
[00:38:08]  It's been a blast.
[00:38:09]  Of course!
[00:38:09]  Thanks for having me again.
[00:38:10]  I appreciate it.
[00:38:10]  Thank you guys.
[00:38:11]  Thank you so much.
[00:38:12]  And for everybody who's a member, thanks for being members and helping us expand this operation.
[00:38:16]  We're going to keep doing the work and hopefully more and more people come to their senses.
[00:38:22]  That's what we're trying for.
[00:38:23]  So thanks for hanging out.