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June 20, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Texas GOP Formally Declares Biden ILLEGITIMATELY Elected w/Angela McArdle
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tim pool
you the texas gop has formally declared joe biden to have been
illegitimately elected And while the media is running on and on about voter fraud, the actual issue here has to do with unconstitutional changes to voter laws from the perspective of Texas.
Now, I don't want to get into, just in the intro, the whole election debate, but I want to point out What the Texas GOP is saying is, yes, they have issues with fraud.
Personally, I don't agree with those narratives.
However, they also go on to say that they are challenging the constitutionality of voter rule changes.
This lawsuit from Texas, it's Texas v Pennsylvania, went to the Supreme Court who rejected to hear it.
And if you don't listen, you're not changing the mind of anybody.
So now we're ending up in this.
I don't know.
Constitutional crisis is the direction we're going in because if the Texas GOP is voting on these things and their confidence is shattered, I don't know what that's going to mean for the rest of the country.
But it also means that Texas could vote to secede in 2023.
That's another big story that's happening.
So we'll talk about all of that and we'll break down why people are feeling this way.
And I want to show you the Texas v. Pennsylvania lawsuit.
I covered it quite a bit back in 2020, when the lawsuit happened.
And interestingly, following that lawsuit, a court in Pennsylvania did rule their universal mail-in voting to be unconstitutional.
So, maybe YouTube doesn't want to hear that, but that's a fact.
We'll have to talk about all that.
We also have Lithuania blocking Russia from transporting important materials into the Oblast of Kaliningrad, which Russia says is illegal, and Lithuania being a NATO state could drag NATO into war with Russia.
So, um, I don't know, Civil War and World War III all at the same time.
That'll be fun.
unidentified
Oh, oh, oh!
tim pool
Also, there's major food shortages coming.
lydia smith
Cool.
tim pool
How exciting.
unidentified
It's going to be great.
tim pool
Yeah, because it's not just about the fact that inflation is really high.
It's also that while the costs are going up, the amount you're getting for the same cost is going down.
So the inflation is actually way higher than they're really saying, probably to protect Joe Biden, or because they're not tracking accurately.
And then you have all of these different countries that get a tremendous amount of their food imports from Ukraine and Russia, which they aren't anymore.
And when they run out of food, they're going to, you know, it's World War III.
And hey, how are you guys doing?
Joining us to talk about all this is Angelo McArdle.
angela mcardle
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
angela mcardle
I am the chair of the Libertarian National Committee, or more colloquially known as the Libertarian Party.
tim pool
Very nice.
Thank you for joining us.
You guys recently had a big victory.
The Mises Caucus like took over everything.
angela mcardle
That's right.
I am a former board member of the Mises Caucus.
I had to resign effective immediately once I was elected to the national position, but we did.
We swept the convention.
Every single one of our candidates for the National Committee and the Judicial Committee was elected.
Every single one.
tim pool
Wow.
All right.
Well, we'll get into all that stuff as well.
And we also have Mary Morgan.
mary morgan
Oh, hi, everyone.
I'm the co-host of Pop Culture Crisis.
And before that, I'm a professional edgelord.
I'll try to behave myself.
This is my first time.
So go easy on me.
tim pool
Okay.
Nah, they're gonna eat twice as much.
mary morgan
Damn it!
ian crossland
It's heating up.
Hey, this weekend we harvested wheat out of the front yard.
I don't know if you guys knew this.
We actually blended, Tim blended it up into powder, flour.
tim pool
I milled it.
ian crossland
Milled it in the blender and then we made bread out of it.
mary morgan
It wasn't half bad.
It was a bit moist and cakey.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's because of the way it was stored.
I didn't have a bread box so I kept it sealed and then the moisture will make it soggy.
mary morgan
I liked it though.
ian crossland
Yeah, me too.
I'm glad you brought up constitutional crisis earlier, Tim, because I think this is a sort of constitutional crisis what we're facing with the way things have been going the last three or four years, really since Donald Trump, that election, and Hillary's email, all that stuff.
But I think we need one because the Federal Reserve and this international banking system has been sapping the United States for a hundred years, and it's make or break time.
angela mcardle
I like it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Well, you guys wanted a libertarian and you wanted a Catholic and I brought you one of each.
They're just not the ones you were expecting.
I'm very excited to talk to Angela and Mary tonight.
I love being on with Mary on Pop Culture Crisis.
We always have a great time.
Excited to hear what she has to say.
tim pool
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Let's read this first story from Tim.
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Tim is a man who has a passion for the arts.
He is a man who has a passion for the arts.
tim pool
When we pull up the display, the audio is removed for some reason.
lydia smith
Oh, interesting.
unidentified
If you missed that, Tim was talking about how awesome I was for like five minutes.
ian crossland
Let's do this again.
That was pretty hot.
tim pool
Let's just use this one.
lydia smith
Yeah, here you go.
Perfect.
tim pool
Alright, let's start over.
lydia smith
Oh, how sad.
I love that scene.
tim pool
Texas Republicans declare Biden illegitimately elected reject 2020 election certification.
They say a component of the 2022 platform adopted by Texas Republicans on June 18th rejects the outcome of the 2020 US presidential election, calling it a constitutional violation.
We all know how much YouTube loves this story.
Quote, The Texas GOP said, We believe the 2020 election violated Article 1 and 2 of the U.S.
Constitution that various Secretaries of State illegally circumvented their state legislatures in conducting their elections in multiple ways, including by allowing ballots to be received after November 3, 2020.
The resolution reads, They go on to say, They believe that substantial election fraud in key metropolitan areas significantly affected results in five key states in favor of Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
Now, I don't care for that last statement, to be completely honest.
I just, I don't care for it.
I think that a lot of really angry people voted against Trump, and I think it's kind of a cop-out.
Now, I know a lot of people really, you know, believe in the fraud narrative.
I think the bigger issue is we know for a fact that in several states they did change the rules.
There were legal challenges.
They were never ruled on the merits, many of them.
Pennsylvania is the perfect example, and this is what I want to highlight in this story right away.
Texas v. Pennsylvania was 2020.
Texas said exactly what they're saying now, that various states violated the Constitution in the way they handled the voting.
The Supreme Court said, we won't hear it.
Okay, if someone comes to you and says, I believe this thing happened, and you go, don't care, I'm not listening.
They're gonna say, okay, well, it's not like my mind was changed.
If the Supreme Court took the case, heard the arguments, maybe now we would have some resolution.
So if you've got a bone to pick, take it up with Roberts and the rest of the Supreme Court.
Alito and Thomas were the only ones willing to hear it.
The reason why I don't care for the fraud narrative, for one, I'm not completely convinced.
I'm sorry, I'm just not.
I think a lot of people were very much excited to vote against Donald Trump, and more importantly, it's demoralizing, and it's voter suppression in a sense.
You're basically telling people to give up.
But I'll tell you this, if there is a question about the constitutionality or the rules in an election, that's something that should be investigated, it should be litigated, so that way there is confidence in the election.
I think what's most important here is not necessarily the argument about 2020, because we're going on two years later, you know, for the most part.
I think the issue is they never resolved the issue that Republicans have.
And because of that, we're now moving into a midterm where already we had one county, Otero County, refusing to certify the results.
And now we're going to be moving into 2024.
It's going to be even crazier.
You think Texas is going to be willing to play with these other states when they were like, you wouldn't even listen to our arguments in the first place?
Our mind has not been changed.
And now they're building a platform based on that belief.
angela mcardle
So how do you think conservatives are going to be viewing the Supreme Court going forward?
Because historically, people have been really excited about the Supreme Court.
We treat those justices like they're gods, like they're more human.
They're better than us human beings.
They're infallible.
They can't do anything wrong.
Do you think that's going to change as a result of this?
tim pool
The Supreme Court is viewed that way?
angela mcardle
Yeah.
I think a lot of people view the Supreme Court as though they're otherworldly beings and they're infallible.
tim pool
What's the salary of a Supreme Court justice?
Isn't it like $180?
lydia smith
It's not that much.
angela mcardle
It's not very high.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So, you know, I bring that up because, yeah, a lot of people view the Supreme Court as just like this, you know, all-powerful entity.
And I'm like, some dude just tried to kill Kavanaugh and there's like nothing he can do about it.
They're protesting in front of his house and there's nothing he can do about it.
And he only makes $180,000 per year.
That is not a lot of money to be dealing with this level of threat, these threats and violence.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
And they have no enforcement authority.
The Supreme Court can come out and be like, we want this, and everyone go, no, and they go, but you have to.
ian crossland
Looks like they make $280,000.
Oh, I'm sorry, $280,000.
Chief Justices.
tim pool
Not $180,000.
ian crossland
Still, $280,000 is... Every year they get a raise, it looks like.
tim pool
280 is a lot of money, but like to be one of the most famous and hated people in the world.
ian crossland
Fame and money, they don't always scale together.
And if you're super famous and dirt poor, you can't hire security.
You can't afford it.
And that's a big problem.
angela mcardle
There's also apparently bad fame when people want to murder you.
That's not a good thing.
That's pretty horrible.
ian crossland
Political fame is not necessarily positive.
tim pool
No, that's why you'd be better off hosting, like, you know, look at us doing this political show.
We'd be better off if we were just talking about, like, Johnny Depp and Amber Heard and doing pop culture stuff.
ian crossland
Are you jealous?
tim pool
A little bit, to be honest.
ian crossland
I think the Supreme Court's got way too much power, man.
I think that it should not be 7, 8, 9, 10 people deciding the fates of the entire nation.
It's insane.
It's completely insane to me.
angela mcardle
How about Supreme Court precedent?
ian crossland
Like, meaning what exactly?
angela mcardle
I mean, what do you think about the fact that they can decide something, and then that's just the law?
ian crossland
I think it's absolutely ridiculous that you would give eight people that power, or twelve people, or whatever it is.
angela mcardle
It's like, it is legislation.
Nine, nine, finally.
It's not viewed as legislation, but we treat it as legislation.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I think there are issues, conversations to be had about, you know, the Supreme Court for sure, and authority, but it is the interpretation of the law as the legislation has passed it.
angela mcardle
Right.
tim pool
So I think the Founding Fathers did a really, really great job trying to craft government.
I think it's the best we've seen so far.
Certainly, I think we could probably do better.
You know, the idea that this is the end all be all of good government, it's not the case.
But more importantly, I think, you know, probably early on it was way better than it is now.
angela mcardle
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
I think it's probably corrupted over a long period of time.
angela mcardle
Well, it's scaled up dramatically.
ian crossland
Social media has changed a lot of the way people interact with just political leaders in general.
Like that they can get a tweet, they can get a hundred thousand tweets, messages a day.
Like back in the day, a hundred years ago, they lived on their farm and that's where they were and no one really knew where they lived.
tim pool
Well, so I was reading about the John Brown raids in Bleeding Kansas and it's like 10 years or it's like six years before the Civil War.
And I was reading about the raid on Harper's Ferry.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
Dude walked into Harper's Ferry and took over like that.
There was no communication.
So when they walk in with a bunch of dudes with guns, they're like, okay, you're in charge now.
The only reason they ended up getting caught was because there was a train they had stopped, and then John Brown let the train leave.
They made it to, I think, Baltimore, and then immediately got on the telegraph and was like, yo, a bunch of abolitionists took over the city, and they're doing like a slave revolt.
angela mcardle
And killed a lot of people.
tim pool
I think it was five people.
Five people died.
I could be wrong.
ian crossland
John Brown's hardcore.
tim pool
But bleeding Kansas was nuts.
So that was like warfare.
That was just outright war.
It was a state civil war.
But anyway, I was reading about this and I'm thinking like, if anything like that happened today, the moment someone banged on the door, the tweet would be out and everyone in the world would know it was happening.
ian crossland
The Air Force would be scrambled.
The Air Force is already up there waiting.
They'd just be like two hours out or less.
tim pool
Oh, they know before you do.
They're watching on your phone and your GPS as you're going to Harper's Ferry.
So like if John Brown existed today, they'd be like, hey, we noticed those five guys we've been spying on are all in the same place and they're heading towards this armory.
Send in the troops!
angela mcardle
Watch list.
tim pool
Yep.
Boom.
Done.
Done.
So anyway, I bring that up because I'm thinking about today and I'm thinking about how social media has changed everything.
That the amount of time it took for the Civil War to happen, it wouldn't be the same today.
Today it would be like, at the moment it kicks off, everyone knows it kicked off.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ian crossland
A bunch of triggers would happen, like their power will get shut down here, then the power will get shut down here, then you see an explosion while three places stall.
angela mcardle
So are people really, people are talking about secession or balkanization, which is the nicer way to put it.
How many people do you think are seriously talking about open civil war?
ian crossland
Not many.
tim pool
No, I think, bro, it was trending today on Twitter.
102,000 tweets on Twitter.
ian crossland
But I don't think they're actually talking about real civil war.
They don't know what that means.
The reality is you hide in a hole and hope that you don't get a bomb dropped on you every day.
tim pool
You're right, but that doesn't matter.
People think suppressors go pew pew pew because they watched a movie.
They read a book about civil war and they think they know what it is.
These Antifa people, I mean, look at what happened with Aaron Danielson in Seattle.
Took two to the chest.
People don't understand, civil war is going to be, you're going to get groceries, and then all of a sudden, an IED blows up next to you.
And you're just a random person who has nothing to do with this.
That's the kind of reality of this conflict.
You had those Antifa people in Portland walking around with rifles, and they pointed the gun at the guy in the truck and said, you know, stop, and the guy gets out with his gun.
You're gonna be living in your house.
And all of a sudden, one day, people are going to walk up and be shooting at each other and bullets are going to go flying through your windows.
ian crossland
Dude, it would be like they're blowing up the freeways.
All the freeways would be dissolved.
They would be gone in a civil war.
And then the Chinese would invade.
The CCP would invade.
angela mcardle
Okay.
Well, at some point, the National Guard or the American military is going to come into that equation.
So I guess it's just, we wonder when?
Because we saw in Portland, well, in Portland, it certainly wasn't civil war, but Didn't it look like it, just on a small scale?
tim pool
Yeah, civil strife, I suppose.
angela mcardle
So, and I anticipate that if anything like that happens, it's going to start off with civil strife.
It's not going to pop off with someone in a militia declaring civil war.
tim pool
So I'll, I think when you bring up the National Guard, there's like a, I suppose a more worrying reality of whichever faction is in control is holding the conch shell, essentially is wielding the power of law enforcement and military.
So Donald Trump was unwilling.
Tom Cotton said, send in the troops.
Trump was unwilling to do it.
angela mcardle
And he's the conservative one.
tim pool
And right now you can see the feds going to a garage to investigate a pole rope.
You can see the feds, AG, unwilling to go after the protesters, illegally protesting in front of the homes of Supreme Court justices.
So it very much looks like the reality is The Democrats are willing to use the power, the conservative, the Republicans are not.
And that means if there ever wasn't an active conflict, then those who are in law enforcement who are just gonna follow orders are gonna be following orders of Democrats, so.
angela mcardle
That's pretty rough.
tim pool
They'll be involved.
I'll put it this way.
So we saw in a lot of news about Taylor Lorenz.
You know Taylor Lorenz?
angela mcardle
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Do you know Taylor Lorenz, Mary?
mary morgan
Know of her.
tim pool
Heard of her.
So she recently got demoted because she publishes fake news about a couple YouTubers.
Now, people aren't calling it a demotion.
They're saying she was moved from the features team to the tech team, but now she's being called a tech reporter.
So if you're writing feature opinion columns and now you're just reporting on tech, that's a demotion.
But, you know, she gets featured on MSNBC because of mean tweets.
Yeah, we've been swatted eight times.
We've had the bomb squad show, we've had credible threats, and my private properties unaffiliated with this show, with tenants in them, have also been swatted.
And, you know, look, I'll say it.
I guess it's kind of weird talking about myself in this way as if I'm deserving of attention or whatever.
But some people, a lot of people pointed out, hey, like, when one of the biggest political shows is getting this much threats and swatting and bomb threats and stuff, isn't that a big news story?
But for some reason, we don't crack the news at all.
And I'm like, this is exactly what you should understand.
When people threaten us with death, when we have to evacuate our studio for three hours over a credible threat, it is not newsworthy to the establishment.
When one reporter for the mainstream media gets mean tweets and cries, they bring her on TV and they parade her around.
Because we are not a part of the establishment.
So...
mary morgan
Do you think it might have to do with her just being a woman and women's grievances?
tim pool
Maybe a little bit.
mary morgan
Being seen is more important.
tim pool
But I think, look, CNN got bomb threats, and they evacuated, and it was like the biggest news everywhere.
I mean, even Fox News doesn't cover what's happening here.
We don't matter to that world, even though we rival the viewership in terms of the key demographic for many of these cable shows.
In fact, we beat CNN in key demo viewership in primetime.
So when I look at something like that, When I look at the crimes committed against us, it's not just the media ignoring it.
It's the question of people who are posting this.
How is it that Tim Cass has been swatted eight times, received two credible threats, and has had, you know, that's just here.
We've also had other properties swatted that people don't know about.
They're like, why haven't the feds caught these people?
And I'm like, it's a good question, isn't it?
It's a real good question.
I mean, why haven't they arrested the protesters that are going to Kavanaugh's or Kony Barrett's house?
unidentified
Right.
angela mcardle
Well, the better question is, why don't they care?
tim pool
Right.
angela mcardle
And I don't, I don't think that they care.
And I think that it's, it's a little bit related to this news story with the Texas Republicans declaring the election illegitimate.
And we may not agree with why they're doing it.
But I'm a little bit sympathetic to their angst because they feel like everything that they care about, everything that matters to them, does not matter to the people in charge.
tim pool
Exactly.
And this is exactly what was happening prior to the first civil war.
Southern states, not a fan of them, but they were saying, why isn't the law being upheld as we agreed to it?
Why was the North allowed to ignore the law and the South wasn't?
angela mcardle
Right.
tim pool
So they said later, I don't know what's going to happen, man, but I know reading about John Brown is really fascinating stuff.
It is.
Look, it's crazy because he was an abolitionist, and he would often talk about the Declaration of Independence, all men are created equal, the Golden Rule, and all these things I completely agree with.
He walked up to a dude and shot him in the face.
And a lot of people called him a madman.
They said he was insane.
He was a psychopath.
You got to imagine what would happen right now if some dude like making the same statements as John Brown committed one of these acts.
The funny thing is the left that props him up as a hero would denounce him immediately.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
Because he was about freedom, liberty and the Declaration of Independence.
angela mcardle
You gotta change the language on that one.
tim pool
Yeah, they couldn't support that.
But yeah, basically, Texas filed a lawsuit.
Let me pull it up, actually.
Texas filed a lawsuit, Texas v. Pennsylvania, in 2020, filed by the state Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
They said, they alleged that Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin violated the U.S.
Constitution by changing election procedures through non-legislative means.
The Supreme Court said, screw off.
angela mcardle
Not a good way to go.
tim pool
So what happens if you say, I believe this was unconstitutional, and instead of actually getting that sit down and that adjudication, you're told, go away, we won't hear what you have to say.
Texas then goes and says, okay.
Our mind has never been changed.
We continue to believe these things.
And you know what really frustrates me is the cowardice of the Supreme Court And the media, because they were too stupid and cowardly to realize there are more elections coming.
And if Texas says, we believe it's unconstitutional, and you say, we don't care, then they're going to say, okay, then what happens come 2022?
In the midterms, they're going to be like, we don't believe any of this is legitimate, which is literally what they're doing.
What happens if in 2024, Biden actually wins again?
I don't see this being possible, to be honest.
But let's say he doesn't run.
Let's say some Democrat, Eric Adams or Gavin Newsom runs.
And then, wins.
And Texas just goes, don't know, don't care.
And this time, they don't certify the election.
angela mcardle
So it could go two different ways, and I think there's a little bit of a scale as to how that could play out, right?
They literally just go and do their own thing, they just start ignoring the federal government.
Probably still sending in taxes, taking tax revenue in, that, but everything else, they're just not acknowledging it.
And the other thing that could happen is that things could get violent, or they could get incredibly violent.
And I think a lot of that is going to depend in large part on the response of the federal government and how violent they want to get with people who are trying to basically peacefully secede.
And I say peacefully secede.
I haven't seen it yet.
So that's, you know, that's got a little asterisk by it because we'll we'll see whether or not it's peaceful.
tim pool
The first civil war was peaceful for two months, three months.
angela mcardle
Right.
tim pool
And that's that's the issue.
People think that peaceful divorce is possible, but I don't think it is.
angela mcardle
Why do you think it's not peaceful?
Of what possible?
tim pool
So the first civil war, you had, I think, seven states.
I could be wrong.
They seceded.
They made a declaration, and that was it.
For several months, nothing happened.
Abraham Lincoln then gets inaugurated and says, nope, those military bases are ours.
angela mcardle
There you go.
tim pool
So what happens is you've got federal authorities, federal law enforcement officers, and if a state secedes and then tells the FBI, the CIA, DHS, get out, and they say no, it can't be peaceful.
angela mcardle
That's gonna be a real problem.
tim pool
That's the issue.
And you know, what's fascinating is what Ulysses S. Grant wrote about it.
He said that every state has a right to secede.
angela mcardle
Right.
tim pool
It just means that you will go to war, and if you lose, you will live under the rules of your batters, or whatever he said, your captors, or whatever.
So his idea was, you know, you look at the American Revolution, you have a right to say, I have a right to autonomy and to secede, and you can try.
If you lose, you now live under the rules of those who have defeated you.
And then he, his argument was the union spent, uh, sacrificed blood and treasure to admit these states into the union.
And there was a debt owed to the union that if they were to leave, it would be like them giving, being given free stuff and then ripping them off.
And so that's why they went to war.
angela mcardle
See, this is part of my problem with government is not everybody signed that contract.
No, not everybody agreed.
Plenty of people were born after the fact.
Plenty of people didn't have, especially in that age, they don't have social media, they're not reading up, they don't know they're just come into this world.
They're just trying to survive and prosper with their families.
Maybe maybe one good hope for us with any coming civil war would be that it would be a very slow withdrawal and slow pullout.
tim pool
I think it'll be ten times faster.
angela mcardle
Could be.
tim pool
Because of the internet and social media.
angela mcardle
The information age.
tim pool
Yeah, it's crazy to me that...
Man, I mentioned this in a couple segments earlier.
I was watching Avengers Infinity War, which was, I think, 2018, right?
2018?
You should know that.
Well, you're the pop culture person.
But I was thinking about what I was doing when this movie came out, and I was like, do we not realize how much the water has started to boil in the past four years?
So I was thinking about how people kept telling me, since 2018, there was never going to be a civil war, and I was crazy.
Even today, people tell me there's not going to be a civil war.
And then when I saw the story about Texas and pulled up Texas v. Pennsylvania, I was reading this lawsuit.
I was like, this is how frogs boil in a pot.
You can look at Texas v. Pennsylvania and see that you had, I think, 22 states versus 22 states suing each other over whether or not I don't think that there's going to be a civil war.
I don't think it's even possible.
I think because any war that we get entangled in is global at this point, and it's not going to be on American soil.
And then you had January 6th and there are still people acting like nothing's happening.
ian crossland
And I'm just like, well, I don't think that there's going to be a civil war. I don't think
it's even possible. I think because any war that we get entangled in is global at this point,
and it's not going to be on American soil. It's going to be all over the world,
including on American soil. But something is definitely happening.
I just don't think it's leading to... I take the authoritarian bet, like Abe Lincoln, that we cannot shovel this union.
This union is secure.
The only reason we're able to have this conversation is because of this union.
If the union shatters, we're all doomed, essentially.
Like, you think nuclear war is a problem?
Well, count your blessings that you haven't watched a nuke go off.
angela mcardle
What do you think?
Do you think there are any parallels that can be drawn between what we're seeing right now with the encroaching totalitarianism and the collapse of the Soviet Union?
Because that thing fell apart, and people didn't have to go out and fight and have streets filled with blood.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was that the oligarchs wanted to seize control.
I think that's a big part of why the Soviet Union fell.
It was orchestrated by the oligarchy in Russia to seize power.
angela mcardle
It could happen here.
ian crossland
I can see that happening here.
They seem to want to, but it's foreign oligarchs that are trying to do it.
tim pool
I think the difference is, though, with the Soviet Union, you had different countries.
You had people who spoke different languages.
You had people who were outright effectively captured in the past few decades.
The Soviet Union only lasted, what was it, 69 years?
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
So you effectively have Russia just annexing other countries.
And so what happens when you have countries—imagine if Texas only spoke French and, you know,
Alabama only spoke Spanish.
Well, then I can understand a collapse because there's already a language barrier.
Although, the closer you get to the border, the more people speak each other's language.
This is the United States.
We've been, it's 250 years, 250 plus years.
So this is, everybody speaks English.
We have a lot of shared history, a lot of shared values.
Now it's starting to be ripped apart by these two different factions.
You have the Constitutional Republic, which is people who are American.
And then you have the multicultural democracy.
And I suppose Alex Jones would call it the nationalists and the globalists is one way to put it.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
The Bank for International Settlements, the bankers, the Swiss bankers, the World Economic Forum's involved, Blackrock trying to buy American land.
Well, it's actually Blackstone is buying a lot of land, and Blackrock will tell you that that's conspiracy if you say it's Blackrock because it's Blackstone, even though they were kind of spinoffs of each other, or one spun off from the other.
tim pool
Let me pull this story right here.
angela mcardle
Here we go.
tim pool
From Newsweek, Texas could vote to secede from the U.S.
in 2023 as GOP pushes for referendum.
The Texas Republicans are pushing for a referendum to decide whether the state should secede from the U.S.
The demand for Texans to be allowed to vote on the issue in 2023 was one of many measures adopted in the Texas GOP's party platform following last week's state convention in Houston.
Now, I want to point out, this is not the first time someone's called for this, but It seems to be moving forward.
Under a section titled State Sovereignty, the platform states, pursuant to Article 1, Section 1 of the Texas Constitution, the federal government has impaired our right to local self-government.
Therefore, federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the Tenth Amendment rights of Texas should be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified.
Texas retains the right to secede from the U.S., and the Texas legislature should be called upon to pass a referendum consistent thereto.
Now, let me ask you, with all of these libertarian types moving to Texas, do you think there's going to be increasing support for Texas secession?
angela mcardle
Oh, absolutely.
The National Libertarian Party just passed a platform change in support of secession, and the Florida State Libertarian Party did earlier this year.
We're all about it because we think that people should be able to live their own lives and just peacefully separate.
Emphasis on peaceful, you know.
tim pool
Well, then maybe there's a real possibility for dissolution like the Soviet Union as opposed to the Civil War.
angela mcardle
That's what I'm hoping for.
And I'm hoping that even if it takes a little bit longer that we could do that.
And even if it's not a hundred percent.
tim pool
Are you actually hoping for it?
Or are you saying instead of violence, you'd rather it be peaceful?
Because I'm saying any dissolution of the U.S.
is a bad thing.
angela mcardle
I'm trying to look at it realistically, which is I don't know how we can come together as Americans when we fundamentally have so many major disagreements.
mary morgan
Well it's not shared values that is keeping us together anymore it's decadence and how comfortable we've gotten.
Yeah.
How fat and happy they're keeping us and frankly pop culture that they're feeding us.
angela mcardle
And no one wants to go to war because war is awful.
mary morgan
Yeah and and the people who fought a civil war before were made of much tougher stuff. Yeah. So, realistically, it's
not, we're not talking about whether it would be a good or a bad thing. It would never happen. Or maybe I'm
just like operating on the principle that nothing ever happens. Well, well, yeah, that optimism
tim pool
bias.
Well, that's normalcy bias.
It doesn't happen, it's not gonna happen.
But, you know, it's what Ian was saying earlier, that these people don't actually want civil war.
And I agree, they don't know what civil war is.
angela mcardle
Right.
tim pool
But when you see these Antifa people going around with guns and shooting people, like the dude in Portland got shot, it doesn't matter if you're tough, it matters if you're dumb.
It matters if You know, Forrest Cooper was on the show last week and he said, the people who are good at violence aren't doing it.
And you have to ask yourself why that is.
angela mcardle
Because we know how awful it is.
tim pool
Well, you know, the people who have trained in war, who know how to do war, are staying away from the stuff because they don't, right, they know how bad it is.
But the people who are engaging in it don't know, don't care.
I'll tell you once it comes, they'll regret it.
But by then it's too late.
So I was reading this great post.
So let me tell you something.
Do you know what bourgeoisie means?
Bourgeois.
angela mcardle
The actual definition?
No.
tim pool
Do you know?
Anybody?
ian crossland
It just makes me think of hoity-toity wealth, wealthy, rich people.
tim pool
Wrong.
angela mcardle
It's middle class, I think.
tim pool
Yeah, it's middle class.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Is it the proletariat?
That's the working class.
Then who's the upper class?
What do they call them?
unidentified
I don't know.
Hmm.
tim pool
I don't know.
All I know is the bourgeois, bougie.
It means middle class.
So when these, when these people, these people don't understand is these like Antifa urban liberal types.
They're the people who get purged in the communist revolution.
They're the bad ones.
There was this meme post where they're like a bunch of Trump QAnon rednecks are going to team up with inner city gangs because they have more in common than the laptop class.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
With each other than the laptop class.
And so there's going to be these uppity hipsters who want to eat vegan food.
Wondering, you know, what's going on and the people who literally have nothing are gonna be like, you are the people whose wealth we will redistribute.
angela mcardle
Yes.
tim pool
And the rich people who have all their money in Panama and Switzerland are gonna laugh and be like, can't do anything to me.
angela mcardle
Well, that's a common part of critical theory in Marxism is that the middle class is what has kept the proletariat from rising up and defeating and trying to overthrow the upper classes because they see the middle classes.
Oh, that's so attainable.
I want to move to that.
I want to become that.
tim pool
I bring that up, though, because I think you made a good point, Mary.
That what's holding this country together is basically everybody's fat and happy and doesn't want to risk their Krispy Kremes and their Marvel movies.
angela mcardle
I prefer not to.
I prefer to not be shot in the street.
That sounds like a horrible time.
tim pool
Well, I mean, like...
That's the worst of it, but even your movie theater being shut down.
angela mcardle
It sucked.
mary morgan
Yeah, like entertainment is getting worse.
Our food is poison.
So if they can't even keep up the appearance that we're comfortable and distracted, I understand why some people's minds are going towards civil strife at the very least or civil war.
tim pool
I think civil war.
angela mcardle
I'm pretty sure that lockdowns contributed to a large part of the rioting because people were, they didn't have anything else to do.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, I think you lock someone in a cubicle apartment.
Yeah.
This is the crazy thing, man.
I think for most conservatives who live in suburbs and in rural areas, they don't understand that in New York City, you're in a 15 by 15 box.
angela mcardle
Yep.
tim pool
And you cannot leave.
These people were effectively in solitary confinement.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden, you see people in the streets running around smashing stuff.
You're there.
The city went nuts.
angela mcardle
There's nothing else to do.
tim pool
Well, it's the one time you can go outside.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's a scary thing.
angela mcardle
It's really sad.
tim pool
The question I suppose is, you know, Texas talks about seceding a whole lot.
Are they actually going to do it?
angela mcardle
Well, we'll see.
So I think that this is probably going to get tied up in a legal battle and it's going to end up just like the Supreme Court.
tim pool
Yeah, they're going to say no.
angela mcardle
It's going to be secession 2.0.
That's the one that you have to watch for is how do they react after they get smacked down and ignored by the powers that be.
tim pool
Well, I think what we should look out for is exactly what happened in the first Civil War.
Texas says these other states aren't abiding by the law.
They've already said that.
People need to pay attention to this, okay?
Look at the chronology of the Civil War.
The southern states said the north was not abiding by the law because they weren't adhering to the Fugitive Slave Act.
Not a fan of that, in my opinion.
The Fugitive Slave Act was, if the slave escapes, the North has to return them.
But the North certainly wasn't doing that.
And I'm like, okay, that's a good thing.
They shouldn't have.
But the South then said, if you aren't abiding by the laws we agreed on, there's no union anyway.
So the federal government was not adhering to the law, not enforcing it.
So then they said, okay, we secede.
The Supreme Court can say whatever they want.
If Texas is outright saying this election is illegitimate, it's the GOP saying it.
angela mcardle
Yes.
tim pool
But if Texas, the AG filed a lawsuit, and he did, the state of Texas did, and the Supreme Court refused to hear it, We're getting to the point where you have a state saying, you are not abiding by the law.
How close are we until Texas just says, we don't care what the federal government thinks.
We're not asking for permission.
angela mcardle
Hopefully we're getting close.
tim pool
I mean, it's a scary prospect.
China's going to come in.
angela mcardle
Is China going to come in with what?
ian crossland
Nuclear submarines off the coast of the Gulf.
angela mcardle
Oh, come on.
tim pool
I don't know about that.
ian crossland
Stage land invasion, drop bombs on Boston.
angela mcardle
Why would they do that?
ian crossland
Just to take control of it?
angela mcardle
But then we'll bomb them.
That would be terrible.
ian crossland
Who would bomb them?
Texas?
angela mcardle
I believe that the federal government would absolutely bomb them.
ian crossland
But it's not a federal, it's not a United States state at that point.
This is where we're talking about post-secession.
angela mcardle
Okay.
tim pool
If the states break apart.
ian crossland
Who would defend Texas?
tim pool
That's my concern.
angela mcardle
Oh, post-secession.
See, I don't think that it'll happen that quickly.
I think that what's going to happen if we have a secession movement that really takes hold is that you're going to start to see the federal government become more hands-off, but you're still going to see military bases and alphabet agencies still there, still active, but you're just going to start to see the rest of the influence decline.
tim pool
I think if Texas secedes, then you're going to have states in the union who say, we need access to X resource.
Now, normally we deal with Texas, but now there's a border and there are new regulations popping up and new negotiations to be had.
China then comes in and says, we're going to give you that resource 10% off.
angela mcardle
Much more likely to go about things that way.
tim pool
And then within 10 years, they're completely dependent upon China.
The Texas industry of oil or whatever they're producing gets gutted and destroyed because
China's got more ability to go.
angela mcardle
But think about Texas culture.
How likely do you think they are to be like, China, come on over?
tim pool
Well, they won't though, but California will.
California is going to be like, it's way cheaper to buy from China.
angela mcardle
Yes.
But then we'll see probably what we're already seeing right now in Europe, which is that people tend to freak out when you see another country, a major military power, start to encroach on your border.
And I think that the United States, even if Texas completely seceded,
would still keep a strong military alliance with Texas.
And if China started doing anything particularly sketchy, I think the United States military
would lose their minds and go to town.
tim pool
I look at all this stuff happening, and I'm just frustrated by how stupid our government is.
Yeah, me too.
Because the Supreme, here's the problem, it's a bunch of cowards.
They're all cowards.
The Republicans are cowards.
Most of the Democrats are cowards.
Supreme Court's a bunch of cowards.
Thomas and Alito, probably the only people who have any backbone to them, the only ones who were willing to hear that Texas lawsuit, and they didn't issue a ruling on the merits.
They just said, original jurisdictions lawsuits are within our purview.
We must hear them.
That's it.
The rest of them were like, no, I don't want to be involved in this.
Oh, I'm so scared.
Not me.
angela mcardle
Right.
They don't want to get swatted.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
You know, if they just come out and said, we'll hear it.
You know, we'll hear it.
And then the Supreme Court could have come out and outright said, we reject it.
The states are allowed to and hold their elections as they see fit.
Their vote has nothing to do with your vote.
Move on.
angela mcardle
So the implication there is that they didn't hear it because they were afraid that the country would freak out and people would lose their minds if they gave their honest opinions.
tim pool
Which just means that two years later, the confidence in the election is shattered.
The American people feel like there's no regis of grievances.
The First Amendment is trash.
And now here we go.
Second Amendment's in the gutter.
Fourth Amendment's in the gutter.
Fifth Amendment's in the gutter.
You look at the Constitution right now and you gotta wonder what rights are being protected at all, if any.
You've got major corporations who have taken political speech.
Now you've got a fracturing of American culture based on the fact that people could not gather and communicate anymore because no one was willing to address that issue.
Or I should say, at the very least, one faction was suppressing the other and you had a bunch of people in Silicon Valley.
Second Amendment has been infringed upon for the past hundred plus years in every possible way.
It is clear-cut the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
The Third Amendment Mostly not being infringed.
But there was one issue of the eviction moratorium.
When the federal government said that you couldn't evict people, there were landlords who said, my tenant is active duty.
That means the government is mandating I keep an active duty service member in my home.
That violates the Third Amendment.
That was fascinating.
Fourth Amendment.
Oh, come on.
Is there a Fourth Amendment?
We got stop and frisk.
We got red flag laws already in 19 states.
angela mcardle
Patriot Act.
tim pool
Patriot Act.
Oh, come on.
You've got metadata spying at the NSA.
Come on.
Look at all the X-Keys score, all those things that were unveiled by Edward Snowden.
And if any amendment has been crossed out so hard, it's been ripped from the paper itself, it's the Fourth Amendment.
angela mcardle
Yeah, it's toilet paper.
tim pool
Yeah, Fifth Amendment.
Oh, come on.
Look at the Ahmaud Arbery case.
There's no right to a trial anymore.
There's no innocent until proven guilty.
angela mcardle
Patriot Act again.
tim pool
Patriot Act again.
There you go.
And then if you look at the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, Texas is right here.
There's a whole bunch of other amendments we can talk about.
We can still drink beer, I guess.
angela mcardle
We need what Gwyneth Paltrow calls the conscious uncoupling.
We need that from the federal government.
tim pool
Is that what she said, Gwyneth Paltrow?
angela mcardle
When she split, she was like, it's a conscious uncoupling.
tim pool
That's one way to do it, I guess.
ian crossland
Luke Rudkowski last week, I think it was, made an interesting allusion between the enabling act that Hitler signed that stripped the Germans of their rights to the Patriot Act and I think that might actually be a lot more realistic.
Like the Reichstag fire.
Reichstag was burnt.
Hitler blamed the communists and then immediately seized people's rights.
The World Trade Centers came down.
We immediately blamed the Muslims and Osama bin Laden and then signed the Patriot Act.
angela mcardle
I think you're right.
I wish we could talk about Hitler and people would listen, but that's not allowed.
They're listening now.
ian crossland
They're listening.
tim pool
Well, history doesn't repeat.
It rhymes, as the saying goes.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And so certainly there are people who learn from history in good ways and bad ways.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
You can learn from history in the good way and be like, hey, that was the thing that happened.
It was bad.
And then everyone suffered.
Let's not do that again.
angela mcardle
Yeah, let's not.
tim pool
Other people can learn from the past in bad ways where they're like, you see what that bad guy did?
That worked.
Let's try that.
ian crossland
You got to learn not to rush to make legislation after a tragedy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
As a just citizen, don't do it.
Don't support politicians that want to do it.
It's crazy emotional power grab.
legislation after this tragedy is our only chance.
Yeah, you look at the exploitation of a crisis, they do it every single time.
ian crossland
As a just citizen, don't do it.
Don't support politicians that want to do it.
It's crazy emotional power grab.
There's no need to rush legislation.
You got to rush in war, but you don't need to rush the legislative.
angela mcardle
That's what career politicians do, though.
It's interesting, right, all the crossover between them and corporate journalists.
Because they've got to rush to capitalize on a crisis, too.
Everybody's like, oh, I've got to be the first one there.
It's pretty gross.
tim pool
Adam Schiff came out and he was like, you know, I have evidence that Donald Trump was involved in January 6th.
And then it was at Dana Bash, I think.
She was like, what evidence?
Well, let's not get ahead of the hearing here.
Oh, please.
The dude who held up the envelope and says, I have evidence of collusion.
And there was none.
angela mcardle
It's like QAnon.
It's like some secret dude reporting from a broom closet across from the White House, telling us any day now it's going to happen.
tim pool
Right.
BlueAnon and QAnon, man, it's two ends of the same stick.
But the issue, I suppose, is you don't got QAnon people going on MSNBC and CNN or even Fox News.
True.
Maybe I'm sure there's some person who's gone on Fox News who said something about Q whatever.
angela mcardle
It's probably been a while, though.
tim pool
Right.
You look at the prominent right-wing voices or moderate or libertarian voices, and they're not Q. You look at the left, they're all Blue Anon.
angela mcardle
Oh, totally.
tim pool
Like 90% of them are Blue Anon.
Not all of them.
mary morgan
Do you mind telling me what Blue Anon is or means?
Or who that is?
tim pool
Yeah, you know what Q Anon is, right?
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
Blue Anon is a reference to the Democrats' versions of insane conspiracies like Donald Trump is a Russian agent.
lydia smith
Same coin.
tim pool
Same thing.
mary morgan
Okay, but there's no person claiming to be that.
tim pool
Like, there's no queue either, you know what I mean?
It's just stupid online forums where people believe whatever.
But the Blue Anon people are like, any day now, Trump's gonna get arrested, and they post memes of Trump in handcuffs, like, being walked out, and they're like, it's coming, it's coming!
They have been screaming that Donald Trump is gonna be arrested for, like, four years now.
And They're crazy conspiracy theorists.
angela mcardle
They also believe that the 2020 election was illegitimate.
lydia smith
That's right.
angela mcardle
Isn't it fascinating how everyone thinks- 2020 or 2016?
Oh, 2016, sorry.
Everybody thinks every election is illegitimate.
It kind of, it almost makes me feel like maybe voting isn't always the best way to solve our problems.
tim pool
Michael Malice had a bold tweet today.
He was like, there's no upside to accepting an election you disagree with.
Well.
He's right, I mean, in a sense.
But I kind of feel like, Accepting you lose an election is because you have a stable system of governance and a culture in which you agree with people.
I suppose if we've come to the point in the U.S.
where we have no unifying culture other than gluttony, then... Dependence.
ian crossland
We've got roads and currency and education styles and communication.
I can drive to my parents' house in Ohio.
We have a lot of things binding us as a culture.
tim pool
But we have our culture is fracturing is the issue.
unidentified
Yeah, so that has really done that education.
tim pool
Let me let me ask you guys, right?
Let's say civil war happens the food supply collapses because you know Russia and Ukraine war Small town of 10,000 people.
What do you think the people in that town do when they run out of food?
unidentified
Anybody?
ian crossland
Well, it depends on the town, I guess.
Is it, like, out in the middle of nowhere?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
They're growing their own food.
tim pool
It's a middle-of-nowhere small town.
angela mcardle
Oh, they're gonna have to go to the next town.
tim pool
And do what?
angela mcardle
Look for food.
tim pool
So, do you think the people in that small town will work together to go look for food?
angela mcardle
Some of them will.
tim pool
Do you think the town would start rioting within itself and destroying itself as people steal food from their neighbors?
angela mcardle
Possibly.
tim pool
I don't think so.
I think a small town of 10,000 people in the middle of nowhere where you're gonna have people come out and be like, what do we do?
Well, I don't know.
We have no food.
You're going to have a town hall meeting.
There might be some theft.
The police and people will round up.
We can't allow this.
We got to figure this one out.
ian crossland
What changes it is the internet because you'll have like sleeper cells on Facebook groups where they're like, you go and infiltrate your neighbor's meeting and then we'll have an agent there on Thursday.
All these different groups will come together.
tim pool
A small town where people are more likely to know each other.
They're more likely to be conservative.
They're more likely to go to church together.
They're not going to break the window of their neighbor's house to steal his bread.
New York City, on the other hand, their neighbors don't know each other at all.
I lived below, above, and across from people I never met.
I don't know their names.
I barely knew what they looked like.
That's New York City.
Out here, we know who the neighbors are.
We don't like talk to them all that often.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
But when you're out in the middle of nowhere, you're more likely to know who your neighbors are.
angela mcardle
I think realistically, in a small town setting, you're likely to see a handful of people try to loot and riot and act crazy.
And unfortunately, you'll see some other people in the town put them down.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think they would.
angela mcardle
Right?
They won't put up with it.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think they would end that pretty quickly.
And I wanted to say, too, I think this is making me think that maybe part of the reason that one in five people in the Soviet Union were informants by the end was because they were living in such close quarters.
Because I was gonna say, I was gonna argue with Tim and be like, oh, no, you know, remember one in five people, you know, people and families were selling each other out.
But I was like, maybe that's because they were cramped in, like, what was functionally a gulag apartment.
angela mcardle
Well, and they were desperate.
Yeah.
I mean, desperate to try to, well, not get thrown in the gulag, right, but also to garner goodwill with your superiors who have their thumb on you.
tim pool
I think smaller towns, you're going to see a lot less rioting.
angela mcardle
Yes.
tim pool
And you do see a lot less rioting in general, you know, for any reason.
In New York, where the guy who lives 10 feet from the other guy doesn't know who the other guy is, oh, they're going to rob you blind.
It's like, I'm hungry, you got beans, those beans are mine.
angela mcardle
Yeah, it's like, I think it's called the concept of Anomi, you know, being anonymous in a giant crowd, because you just can, you can just blend right in like a fish.
tim pool
So I'm thinking about, so we've got this food shortage coming.
And let me see if I if I have this story.
Yeah, here we go.
New York Post says record diesel prices could lead to food shortages in US, farmers warn.
So I'm thinking about this, and there was a post from, what is it, Pwn All The Things, a Twitter account, saying that Lebanon and Kazakhstan, all these other states, get a majority of their wheat and crops from Ukraine and Russia.
Now they're not getting that food.
And so I thought, what's going to happen inside those countries when they don't get food?
I think my opinion is Lebanon will attack another country to get food.
angela mcardle
Possibly.
I mean, I think you're also going to see begging for foreign aid and that foreign aid is going to come in and probably say that things will have to get really bad before people start going to war.
tim pool
But the U.S.
is looking at major shortages as well.
unidentified
We are.
tim pool
This is what people need to understand about the food shortage.
It is not just that we don't have fertilizer.
We didn't have fertilizer because of the war in Ukraine with Russia.
That dramatically cut our fertilizer down.
They were reporting crop yields would be down 40%.
Then you have hyperinflation already!
The economy's in trouble.
So food's gonna be more expensive, less readily available.
Then what people don't understand is that this story right here, farmers need diesel to get the crops.
So now if the gas is in short supply, six bucks a gallon, three times more than it was last year, and there's less food as it was, your loaf of bread is going to be 20 bucks.
angela mcardle
It's going to get expensive.
I will say that with, I'll give you one little white pill though, which is that these industries, some of the people who move in these industries can make technological advances really rapidly.
That will hinge on whether or not the federal government administration, the agencies really, the federal agencies allow them to do that.
And we saw them do it really rapidly, you know, set aside testing requirements for certain types of drugs that came out over the last couple of years.
I would hope that they would do the same when it comes to food.
I don't know, but it's possible.
tim pool
So Norman Borlaug is the scientist who I think he quadrupled crop yield for like wheat and some other crops.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
However, I was reading about this, I could be wrong because I'm not going to pretend to be an agricultural expert.
The crop yield increased but the nutritional density did not.
angela mcardle
Correct.
tim pool
So that meant that there was a large amount of starch available but not enough vitamins.
So one of the arguments made as to why poor people are so fat Is because in order to get the same amount of folate or thiamine or, you know, whatever B vitamins, you've got to eat four times as much heavy grains than you used to.
So poor people trying to get the nutritional value are eating massive amounts of starch, gaining fat.
angela mcardle
Yes.
So I don't think I should call myself an insider of this.
I will tell you that my boyfriend works in agriculture, agriculture tech.
And one of the things that he talks about a lot that I've seen is that soil health is getting improved.
And that is a really good thing to know.
And what that also means is that they're going to become less reliant upon antibiotics and industrial fertilizer and things like that.
So it is possible.
But again, there are a lot of regulatory hurdles, and it would take a lot of work to get everybody implementing these practices really rapidly, but it is technically possible.
And if it's technically possible, then I'm going to be optimistic.
I'm going to be like Mary and be like, yay!
lydia smith
It's starting to happen here.
Yeah.
mary morgan
I'm not optimistic.
I just think nothing ever happens and everything's fake.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
lydia smith
That's a form of optimism.
mary morgan
In a way.
angela mcardle
We're going to spin that for you.
tim pool
Okay.
There's two biases.
There's a normalcy bias and the optimism bias.
Normalcy is what you're saying.
Nothing ever happens.
It won't happen.
And optimism is good things are going to happen.
It can't be.
That's too bad.
Right?
angela mcardle
I skew optimistic.
tim pool
I don't know if optimism is the right way to look at it because Or pessimistic.
It's like positive or negative.
It's a thing that's happening.
angela mcardle
Yeah, I want to be realistic.
tim pool
Exactly.
angela mcardle
But part of my realism is acknowledging that I skew slightly optimistic.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's the logic of it, which is a realistic thing or fantasy.
And then there's the emotional aspect of it, which is optimism or pessimism.
And you can be a realistic optimist.
Which I am.
I'm acknowledging that foreign corporations are attempting to buy us out.
They're attempting to squander our wealth, but I mean, that doesn't mean we can't change it.
Seize control.
angela mcardle
Well, they want to make money, but so do I. So, competing interests.
Not too crazy of a concept.
I think we can work it out.
tim pool
To go back to the point I was saying about the food and fuel stuff is that I think if it really got to the point where in the U.S.
we're in short supply for food and we're not in a position to do foreign aid and send food anywhere else, these other countries that are smaller I don't think are as likely to internally implode.
They might.
When there's no food, and it's due to the corruption of your government, you get a revolution.
When there's no food due to foreign war, the leader can rally you and say they're stealing our food.
Then they can justify an invasion of a foreign country to get food, steal it from their neighbors.
The U.S.
being so large, though, I think the U.S.
implodes.
Small country?
Sure.
Small state?
Sure.
Big country?
Not so much.
angela mcardle
Well, we got Mexico.
tim pool
You think we're going to go to war with Mexico?
angela mcardle
I think... Maybe pillage them, unfortunately.
tim pool
Like California and Texas.
There's not going to be California and Texas agreeing, like, we need to, you know, go to Mexico and get food.
And California and Texas are... Texas is going to be like, California's got the food.
California's got all the food.
California is going to leverage that against everybody in the country.
angela mcardle
We do have a lot of food.
tim pool
Oh yeah, it's like a third, isn't it?
angela mcardle
We have a ton of food in the Central Valley.
We don't have great water infrastructure, so that's a real problem.
tim pool
Colorado says, probably not even just Colorado, but Arizona, Nevada, they say, we want food, you want the water that comes from our states.
Without a federal government enforcing these treaties, what do you do?
Southern California exists only because of the Colorado River water.
angela mcardle
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And so if that gets cut off, bye-bye Los Angeles and San Diego.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Then what they'll do is they'll divert delta water, the water from the delta north of California
to the south to compensate, which would turn, which it would cause a massive influx of salt
water into the delta, killing all of the farms in the Bay Area.
angela mcardle
If only California's government had built water reservoirs 30 years ago, like everyone
said they should.
We're known for a ton of horrible policies, but I promise you that we have more horrible policies that you guys have never heard of.
It's actually, it's a giant, it's like a layer cake of failure.
tim pool
Oh yeah, man.
Rolling blackouts are coming.
What are they doing?
Are they going to do water rationing soon?
unidentified
Yes, again.
tim pool
Fuel rationing?
angela mcardle
Again.
This is the second or third water rationing since I've lived in California.
mary morgan
Okay I don't want to sound like a total idiot bimbo but like you're like next to the ocean right?
angela mcardle
Yes.
mary morgan
So can't you just take the salt out?
angela mcardle
Yeah there are desalination plants and it's doable it's not very cost effective yet but that technology is also like they're trying to improve it and I'm sure that if we were in a real serious crunch and the dot you know was turned off you would see that you know propel rapidly.
tim pool
I'm not convinced California can make it, to be honest.
angela mcardle
I'm not sad about it.
tim pool
The level of corruption and mismanagement is so intense that I'm not convinced that in a real crisis, people would come together to solve it.
angela mcardle
Okay, so what if California collapses before Texas secedes?
You think that might change people's attitudes about secession if they see, or just politics in general and the turmoil, if they see these... I think it might exacerbate the issues.
We're the 11th largest economy in the world in California.
And if that collapsed, that would be... Well, actually, you would feel that globally.
There's your global issue, Ian.
You would see that impact the entire world.
tim pool
So in order to make the desalination plants work, you need a lot of energy.
angela mcardle
Yes.
tim pool
Where's the energy going to come from?
angela mcardle
I guess all those nuclear power plants we shut down.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
What if they used the salt from the ocean to boil to get the heat to produce the electricity to desalinate the ocean water to get more salt to boil?
Burn the salt?
Yeah, they have these giant magnetic, they have thorium nuclear reactors where they heat up salt and melt it.
tim pool
And that's thorium salts though.
ian crossland
So that's something different, okay.
Molten salt, what they'll do is take all this They have these mirror arrays and they focus the light at the center tower, which is containing salt.
The salt melts and then overnight it stays molten.
So it produces, boils water and just massive amounts of steam power.
tim pool
They would have to build those.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't think California is functional enough to build those in a crisis.
ian crossland
Well, no, they got to start building them now.
tim pool
Exactly.
And they're not going to.
You have human feces all over the streets of several of their major cities.
Mary, did you know that San Francisco has a poo patrol?
mary morgan
Poop.
tim pool
Department what do they do? Well, okay. So like, you know, the fire department does right? Mm-hmm
Like there's a fire you call the fire department. They come up with the fire out. Uh-huh. Sam's was a poo department
unidentified
Like hey, there's poop on the street I don't think they actually have sirens or anything, but
mary morgan
they show I like the people that pick up roadkill.
angela mcardle
It's job creation.
tim pool
There's so much human feces all over the streets of San Francisco.
They had to create a department.
ian crossland
You need to hit it with lasers, dude, and turn it into graphene.
It's carbon-based.
angela mcardle
Dr. Evil over here.
tim pool
But just think about desalination, which they have one plant in Carlsbad, I think I've been there, it was really cool to watch.
They have these massive tubes and they just force at really high pressure the water through these filters, which then purifies it and then pump out all the brackish water back into the ocean.
Local environmentalists are saying the brackish water, it's brine, it goes down to the bottom and kills all of the base level organisms, which wipes out the food chain straight up.
angela mcardle
I'm sure it does.
So then we have to pick, which is a very major dilemma for people who are very far left and progressive, what matters more, human life or ocean life?
And then we have to also pick on our energy, which everyone hates.
What matters more?
Turning off our power and having rolling blackouts and all that or providing drinking water?
tim pool
If you took away luxury and security from the United States, you would have no leftists.
lydia smith
So I've said this for a really long time, and I gathered this by watching TikTok.
Not to the extent that you do, Mary, thankfully.
Thank God.
unidentified
I got banned.
lydia smith
I don't watch TikTok now.
Yeah, I know you did.
Yeah, you can't watch it anymore.
No, I'm just kidding.
They're stealing our information.
But I figured that if we got rid of free time, we'd be good.
We'd be fine.
No more free time.
None of these teachers with blue hair talking about their weird genders and confusing people with pronouns.
All of that would be gone.
We'd just be focused on our work.
It'd be fine.
That's my two cents.
That's like the simplest method I can see.
I disagree.
How so?
tim pool
Because you'd have to erase a hundred years of technological advancement to get anywhere near that.
And free time existed a long time ago.
We had tons of free time.
It's just that it's the level of communication and the level of hyper-tribalization that's causing the Here's what I'm saying with, you get rid of luxury and security, you have no leftists, because when people have to think about survival, that's when they're like, me and no one else, and I'll do what it takes.
So you're mentioning environmentalism?
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
They're going to decide humans.
And they're going to decide themselves.
I hope so.
You're not going to have, I mean, you may have people at this point who are like starving and on the street crawling, being like, I will not eat the food.
I really doubt it.
They're going to be like, I will eat you!
And then they'll kick your door in and they'll take your beans, you know?
Or you.
ian crossland
Yeonmi Park said starvation is like all you can think of is food when you're starving.
She came from North Korea and fled the country and said that she fled because she was starving so she chose to become a sex slave in China to get out so she had food.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, she said that she was like sitting there looking at the lights and just thinking like, I wonder if there's food there.
ian crossland
People would be like laying on the side of the ground that have died from starvation, cannibalism.
I mean, it's just...
Total, total rampage.
tim pool
Yeah, I think that a lot of what we see in modern politics, particularly with feminism, is due to the fact that we are a bubble of security.
angela mcardle
Yeah?
tim pool
So if you think about evolutionary psychology and you go way back in time, like, men were like, we have to die to protect the women, because the women are the ones who, like, create people.
angela mcardle
Yes.
tim pool
So, you know, men would, if you have 100 men and 100 women, And 99 men die, your society survives because the women can have kids.
But if 99 women die, you're done.
One woman could not sustain a population.
angela mcardle
Boy, that's some interesting implications in that statement.
tim pool
Well, yeah, it's the root of a lot of the gender roles.
Look, I'm not making this up.
This is just like academic gender evolutionary psychology.
And so what happens is gender roles emerged from that.
You take a bunch of nomadic humans and they would fortify the women because those that didn't ceased to exist.
And those that did thrived.
The men would go out and hunt big game and bring back fish or protein.
The women would gather and keep food and protect the family and raise the kids.
angela mcardle
Keep the home.
tim pool
Keep the home.
angela mcardle
Literally.
tim pool
And then a bunch of the guys would die on the hunt or in war, but the women would survive and have kids.
So that ends up with, you know, in Europe with the escalation of warfare between nations, the women are staying in the home to be protected and the men are going out and doing work and then you build a society based on those ideas and you get traditional gender roles.
So I'm not saying those are good things.
I'm just saying that's the common idea.
angela mcardle
The stark human reality of our biological conditions.
tim pool
Yeah, so we end up with this safety bubble and luxury bubble.
We produce all this oil and energy, and now we have people who can gorge themselves and not have to do any work.
I mean, come on, let's be real.
The people in New York City who work at BuzzFeed, I always bring this up.
Millennials?
Oh, come on, let's talk about the Washington Post.
This woman who gets fired because she's complaining about Dave Weigel, you know, making a sexist tweet.
That could not exist.
200 years ago.
Seriously?
I mean, maybe some of those ideas started to exist because we had technological advancements.
But if you're like, we are being bombarded in a raiding party just stole the last of our chickens, you wouldn't be going like he said a naughty word, you'd be like, I'm dying and I need food.
angela mcardle
Yeah, it's, it's, it is first world problems.
tim pool
Right.
Take away the first world, all that stuff goes away.
I'm not saying it's a good thing.
I'm just saying I don't think the modern left could exist in... I kind of feel like if you took your modern leftist, forced them to work on a farm for a couple weeks, they would really change their minds.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Unless they're, like, deeply rooted in their neuroses, and then they would be like, I should be in charge of the farm and you should serve me.
angela mcardle
I mean, that's kind of what parents do with bad kids when they send them off to wilderness survival camp.
Some of them come back totally changed.
mary morgan
But even that is so contrived and fake.
Like, I've been thinking about it recently, how, like, when people grew up on farms and they saw animals reproducing and giving birth and dying, Uh, it would be impossible to have the level of confusion about gender and life and death that we have right now.
unidentified
Right.
mary morgan
If you were watching that as a child, as you grew up, you would be immune to the propaganda that we're getting inundated with today.
ian crossland
Which is why Braxton McCoy was on the show saying that exact thing.
He was, he was raised around farm animals and had no, I mean, just knew from age four.
He never had the birds and the bees talk.
He never had to, cause he always knew how sex worked.
tim pool
Was it, was it Seamus I think you mentioned?
Someone asked him how did people learn how to reproduce before sex ed or something like that?
Was it Seamus who mentioned this?
lydia smith
Yeah, somebody mentioned they had a friend who was like, how did we know about this?
By watching animals!
unidentified
What?
tim pool
No, not watching animals!
Like, all of human existence was just like, I like that thing.
I'm going to that person.
angela mcardle
I just rewatched Blue Lagoon recently.
Am I canceled now?
I won't even say why I would be canceled for that.
But they figured it out.
They figured it out.
They had a baby.
Two people stranded on an island since they were children.
tim pool
It's almost like their innate biological drives.
And that, like, a dude looks at a woman and goes, I would like to, you know, grab that woman.
unidentified
Auga.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yup.
Auga.
That's exactly it, as the cartoons dictate.
ian crossland
Like how much free will do we have as a species?
Cause like you're saying, or you guys, this keeps coming up that like, unless we're absolutely forced to change, like you're saying, California, if the power goes out, then you'll start to see people like pushing this technology.
If they run out of water, they're going to start desalinating.
How much of this is free will?
Like, how much are we actually in control or, like, deciding to go against our instinct?
How much of it is just, only when we need to do it are we gonna do it?
tim pool
Well, it's free will, but there's a lot of people who don't exercise free will.
There's long-term thinking and short-term thinking.
And I think you'll find among the I guess culture war right, whatever you want to call it.
I always just say post-liberals, moderates, libertarians, and conservatives, a tendency towards long-term thinking and delayed gratification.
And among the left, you get instant gratification and short-term thinking.
angela mcardle
High time preference.
tim pool
I'll give you a really good example.
Short-term thinking.
I'm seeing all of these memes pop up.
It's crazy.
I don't know why this meme is emergent on the left.
And they're like, why don't we plant fruit trees in cities so that everyone can just eat fruit and not have to worry about where their food comes from.
mary morgan
Why don't we just do the good thing so that the bad thing don't happen?
tim pool
Yeah, do you guys know why we don't do public fruit trees in big cities?
angela mcardle
So, well, there's a couple of reasons.
You'll probably have more.
One is the contaminants from the air actually make the plants poisonous.
Two is it takes sometimes... Toxic.
Yeah.
Four to seven years for a tree to bear fruit.
tim pool
That's true.
And then the other thing is when we transplant fruit-bearing trees into cities, the fruit rots, and then you get pests, insects, rats, and pigeons, and then disease.
angela mcardle
Someone has to come and collect the fruit and maintain the tree.
Very dutifully.
tim pool
It's this remarkably childish, short-term, single-layer thought that I keep seeing where they're like, Imagine walking down the street and the trees had fruit on them.
It's like, oh, and there's no negative repercussions.
Nothing else happens.
No one's got to care for them.
No one maintains them.
The fruit is just there and it stays there until you're ready to eat it.
That is the talk of someone who's never had a garden in their life.
You know why?
We grew tomatoes.
You know what we did wrong?
We planted them all at the same time.
And you know what happens when you plant all your tomatoes at the same time?
They all ripen at the exact moment and then it's like, who wants to eat 300 tomatoes today?
Because they go bad tomorrow.
And so then someone was like, Tim, you need to plant them one week at a time.
Plant one a week later, plant one, then you'll get seven.
The next week you get seven.
unidentified
And I'm like, oh yeah, I didn't know that.
angela mcardle
But the insects will swarm and eat them if you don't.
tim pool
Yeah, so we threw them to the chickens.
We just started like, there you go, chickens.
And then here's the best part.
The chickens poop out the seeds and they grow again.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
angela mcardle
Circle of life.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, because they poop wherever and then all of a sudden we notice tomato plants were growing and we're like, oh, look at that.
angela mcardle
All right.
Well, that's kind of charming.
It worked out.
tim pool
Well, that's how it's supposed to go.
I mean, but you look at the single layer short term thinking and that's exactly what we've got more houses than homeless people.
What's wrong with this society?
We should just put homeless people in houses.
And I'm like, Who's going to maintain the house?
Who's going to inspect the house?
Who's going to check the electrical wiring of the house?
Who is going to be paying attention to any of the rot or termites or any of the problems in the houses?
Yeah, you can't just put a homeless person in a house.
But they don't... these utopian thinkers, typically leftists, don't think beyond that.
mary morgan
Well, the prosperity we have now that we're living off of came from the age of reason.
And that is why I think leisure time is valuable and is necessary for human flourishing.
But then now we're sinking into the age of the will and anything is true if we will it.
tim pool
Well I think that has a lot to do with the lack of God.
And I don't mean like from an overt religious perspective.
I mean it from a people who don't believe that things exist beyond them or above or greater than them.
So the people I feel like there's a tendency among people who believe I am nothing but a wet robot.
Nothing matters.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
To engage in more nihilistic thinking like whatever feels good I'm going to do.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
mary morgan
But people don't want to believe that.
angela mcardle
It's to write a blank check for your bad behavior.
tim pool
I wouldn't necessarily say bad behavior because that implies that they're like a morality.
I think it's self-aggrandizing and self-ish behavior.
ian crossland
Carnal behavior.
angela mcardle
I see laziness and apathy and cowardliness also come out of that.
tim pool
Yeah.
angela mcardle
And that I think is really disappointing.
ian crossland
There's something about God, about knowing that the will is outside of you.
At least I think my own will is not in my body.
It's a result of the collective will of conscience or whatever it is, the earth, the humans, the animals, all of it.
tim pool
But what did you mean?
You said people don't want to believe that?
mary morgan
They don't want to believe that they're wet robots, that they're just like meat sacks with electricity.
tim pool
I think they do.
angela mcardle
I think some people do.
mary morgan
I mean, it removes consequence from the actions, but that's not what people truly desire.
angela mcardle
Well, they don't act that way.
It's just a cop-out for when they don't want to take responsibility.
tim pool
I don't agree.
I think you guys are projecting.
angela mcardle
Tell me more.
tim pool
Well, are you religious at all?
angela mcardle
Yeah, I'm a Christian.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
And you marry as well?
mary morgan
Yeah, I'm a Catholic.
tim pool
So, uh, your view and your mind is, is like, I think you're saying these people certainly could not truly believe this.
Why would they want to feel that way?
No, no.
I mean, I've, I know many of these people.
We had someone on the show who was like, I'm nothing but a wet robot.
Nothing matters.
unidentified
Yeah.
angela mcardle
I think Sam Harris totally believes it.
But I think that a lot of the people who adopt that worldview are not totally bought into it.
And that it's just sort of an easy way for them to not confront personal responsibility.
tim pool
Sure.
I agree with that.
mary morgan
Like, atheism isn't on the rise as far as I know.
It's just a religiosity that's on the rise.
Nobody is dogmatic these days about being an electrified meat sack.
I don't think people feel strongly and are animated by that belief.
angela mcardle
I think they're the exception, not the rule.
Like, there's a handful, you know, the amazing atheist and those types.
tim pool
Yeah, I think I agree with you, but I think you don't need to be a zealous atheist going door-to-door and preaching the word of why there's no God to live in a world with no moral framework and believing your will be done.
So, I'll put it this way.
A tendency among people who believe in a higher power is the higher power has a will over them.
A tendency among people who don't believe in a higher power, they believe that their will be done.
Yeah.
Or a tendency towards.
angela mcardle
Which is an interesting paradox, because a lot of the people who believe that they're meat robots don't believe in free will.
tim pool
That's true.
angela mcardle
It's a strange, it's a strange paradox to live with.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe they're, I don't know.
You know, I was thinking about this earlier, and I'm not, uh, like, I don't believe in any dogmatic theistic religion.
I do believe in God.
I do believe that there is something greater and beyond us, be it simulation theory or just some purpose to the universe.
Because I was thinking about, you know, I was playing a video game, and in the video game, you can choose to just die.
I was playing Spelunky.
You ever play Spelunky?
You guys know Spelunky?
unidentified
Oh, I know Spelunky.
tim pool
Spelunky is amazing.
Spelunky 2, it's a great game.
And, uh, it's a roguelike game.
This is a game where you play, you collect items, you try to make it to the end, and if you die, you just start over, and it's a procedurally generated world that's always different.
And I thought to myself, in this game that I am playing, I've come to points where I felt like I just didn't have enough items, or ropes, or I didn't have the jetpack, and I'm like, meh, and I just jumped my guy into spikes.
Then the game starts over and I try again.
There was no consequence to ending my character's life.
angela mcardle
Right.
tim pool
But here in this world, there's a massive consequence to doing it.
And then I thought about that and I was like, that makes me feel like there is a greater purpose and there is something that matters to this universe beyond me.
It is not just about me and being like, well, you know, my life wasn't good enough.
I'm going to jump on this spike.
No, that'd be terrible.
You'd have a massive wave of negative consequences for everyone around you.
Those who depend on you and rely on you.
And then I'm like, so there just is easily to me something outside of me that matters, that my will is not the most important will in existence.
angela mcardle
Right.
tim pool
But I feel like people who don't see that are just like, I get what I want and that's all that matters.
angela mcardle
Yep.
tim pool
And that's why you see people like, in my opinion, Leah Thomas, the swimmer in the NCAA, recently banned,
I guess they're now banning Leah Thomas from swimming.
And this is a person who has everyone saying, we don't want you a part of our event.
Or I shouldn't say everybody, but a lot of people expressing that and being like,
don't care, I'm happy.
And I'm like, it's interesting.
If it were me and I went to a skateboarding contest, and let's say it was a flip trick contest
for which I'm particularly good.
And they were like, bro, we can't hang with you.
We'd prefer it if you didn't compete I'd be like, okay, no problem.
I probably wouldn't win, I'm just saying, if that was the instance where I was like, you're too good at this, it wouldn't be fair to everybody else, I'd be like, alright, I'm out, I get it.
But imagine being like, no, I'm better and I deserve it.
I'm gonna come in here and everyone has to watch me.
Aren't you weirded out by that at all?
Doesn't that make you feel bad?
angela mcardle
It's why, as a libertarian, I really stress individualism.
I think it's so important.
But what we also need to stress with that is personal responsibility.
Because individualism just runs rampant without any insight or...
tim pool
But responsibility to other people, you know?
Not just like yourself.
mary morgan
Right.
That's where you lose me with individualism because you don't have personal responsibility without connection to other people.
angela mcardle
But you should.
As an individual.
I'm an individual.
I control everything that I do.
But I'm not such a freak that I don't want to have other friends and think about how my actions affect other people and the people that I'm close to.
And they, as responsible individuals, should feel the same way.
And so I do believe that there is a strong sense of connection to other human beings through that.
It's through personal responsibility and caring and also understanding that every human value has some sort of, you know, unique, intrinsic value to it.
And sure, some people are more valuable than others, depending on how they contribute to the world and what they do to you.
But I would say that we're all born, you know, screaming and naked into this world with still some little bit of intrinsic, unique value.
tim pool
I wonder where that comes from, you know, because I was raised Christian, Catholic, and I certainly feel like I don't know if there is going to be judgment or if it's just karma, but it certainly feels like what you do matters.
angela mcardle
Yes.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
mary morgan
Because even the weight of the question, like, why do we feel like what we do matters?
tim pool
Yeah.
angela mcardle
But it does.
mary morgan
There's a reason we feel that way.
angela mcardle
It does.
tim pool
At least.
mary morgan
Even if it's not true.
tim pool
You're not particularly religious, right, Ian?
ian crossland
No, not, I don't follow.
tim pool
But what about karma?
ian crossland
I think it's definitely real.
I was just studying the phantom DNA experiment last night.
They bombard, they take DNA, they put it in a vacuum and they bombard it with photons.
And then they remove the DNA from the vacuum and the photons stay there for like two weeks as if the DNA is still there.
I'm like, what's a ghost?
Well, it's probably like, it's probably like photons that are still orbiting something that used to be there that doesn't know.
It's still behaving.
Feeling even maybe like when you look at these clouds of plasma on the way they move.
I mean, maybe they're not intelligent, but they definitely seem to be reacting to stimuli so that I get you're Alluding to some kind of spiritual after image energy, but you're magnetic field karma.
I think it exists within the magnetic fields behavior.
tim pool
I But there's like, how is that... I don't understand.
If you do something mean to someone, how does something bad happen to you after the fact?
ian crossland
You're programming your field or the field around you with that behavior and then that behavior is going to encourage you to continue with this programming.
tim pool
So you're saying like, your intentions and actions emit an energy that has a reciprocal effect back on you.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't know if emit energy is exactly the right word.
They seem to be spinning the reality in a way that becomes...
Addictive.
Conducive.
angela mcardle
Leaves a trace.
ian crossland
Yeah.
That's why it's easier to do the same thing over and over again.
I noticed that in my base life.
angela mcardle
That's very true.
tim pool
I feel like it would take a long time to break down, point by point, how you see it happening.
But I think the simple answer is, you believe that Yeah, but I think it's the way you feel about your actions.
ian crossland
I used to think about George Bush, Jr., war in Iraq.
Like, oh, well, bad karma.
He took us into the war, he's gonna have bad karma.
But he felt fine about it, as far as I can tell.
So I think it's if you feel good about doing evil, you're gonna have good karma.
If you feel bad about doing good, you're gonna have bad karma.
angela mcardle
That's interesting because so I'm trying to compare that to how I feel about kind of something you touched on earlier which is when you do something bad and then you do it again.
tim pool
I don't know if I agree with you on that Ian, because I kind of feel like the way I've often described it is serving organization and order is typically good and serving chaos and destruction is typically bad, but not always, but tendency towards, kind of like a yin-yang kind of thing.
And so I kind of view the world like that.
I don't know, like I was saying, maybe it's because I was raised Christian, but I feel that if I wrong other people, I will regret it.
There's a badness to it that will affect you in some way.
I don't believe in hell.
I don't think I'm going to be surrounded by ice or fire or be chewed in the mouth of the devil himself or anything like that.
But I just kind of feel like, I don't know man, it just feels like when all this comes done, they're gonna be like, you are a dick.
Everyone knows it.
ian crossland
A good person to ask is a soldier that killed in combat, because if you're killing for the greater good for your country, you have good karma.
I hope that good karma comes to you for doing that.
angela mcardle
I don't know.
ian crossland
But when they're judged, their soul is judged.
I don't know.
Maybe God will be like, well, you evil.
You killed therefore.
But I don't think killing is evil.
mary morgan
But there are so many factors that go into evaluating an action like that.
There's what the person thinks it was.
angela mcardle
Just following orders.
mary morgan
Whether or not it was true.
Truly what they did.
That's their intent, and then there's the object of what they did, which some people would argue is murder, but others would argue is defending your country.
ian crossland
Yeah, because you could think you did it and have the karma still affect you.
mary morgan
And then there's the consequence, like maybe you thought you killed someone, but you didn't.
ian crossland
You have a simulation in your mind or something?
tim pool
Like a metaverse, some weird mind... A car crash happens and you think it was your fault.
mary morgan
Yeah, if you just mistook your action for some other action.
angela mcardle
Well, how does that relate to karma, if you feel guilty about something that wasn't technically your fault?
mary morgan
I just mean there are many factors that go into evaluating whether an action was virtuous or vicious.
tim pool
To sort of wrap it all back, I guess what I was trying to say is that I find a tendency among many of these leftists is that They don't have that fear.
Correct.
They do not fear that their actions, there will be any negative repercussions to them.
That they can do what they please, and it is what it is, and it doesn't matter.
ian crossland
It's a bit paralyzing to worry.
Like, I used to get into Jainism a little bit, this religion where, like, you don't even step on grass because it's too destructive.
Like, destroy nothing.
Leave no trace.
And I'm like, I can't, that is too, it's too, at some point you just got to get down with being destructive because it's a huge part of what we are.
We eat, we kill and eat.
We destroy to consume, you know?
angela mcardle
I mean, I can tell you about that as someone who was vegan for 15 years.
Part of it is neuroticism.
I abhorred violence.
I think I was strangely violent as a female child.
I think I was very violent.
I grew up in a very conservative home, whatever.
You know, I was the only girl in the neighborhood.
And I had sort of a reaction to my own violent behavior and I was very committed to nonviolence.
But it did get to a point for me with Crohn's disease where I had to make a literal life and death decision and I had to get over my neuroses and change my diet because I could eat nothing else.
I think a lot of environmentalists and Janus and people like that have that incredible guilt associated with it and paranoia and neuroses, which is interesting.
With the implications that Tim raised of basically kind of, it's almost like they don't have a conscience in these certain respects, because a lot of them also behave in this very compartmentalized, nonviolent way towards animals and environmentalism.
But it almost makes me think maybe some of it is self-hatred and self-loathing.
tim pool
I want to be careful, too, because I don't think it's absolute when I say, like, leftist.
I'm not trying to say, like, literally every person on the left thinks this.
I just say there's a tendency towards.
I certainly think you've got people who claim to be conservative and religious who are just really bad people, of course.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
But I think, you know, typically what I'm referring to in this is not the fringes, it's the mainstream.
Among the mainstream and establishment left, I question the morality of these personalities who don't seem to have one when they'll say, stop-and-frisk is bad, red-flag laws are good.
Yes.
Why is stop and frisk bad?
Well, because they directed it at black people.
Do you think they're not going to do that with red flag laws?
I tweeted, I'll tell you this, I tweeted this earlier.
I said, trans people have higher suicide rates and the left has a higher tendency towards
mental illness.
Red flag laws, by that logic, will disproportionately affect the left.
Yes.
And a tennis player, Marina Novotarova, how do you pronounce her name?
ian crossland
Yeah, something like that.
tim pool
Tweeted at me some really nasty thing and she was just like, you know, are you naturally an asshole or did you have to try really hard?
Where did you come up with this BS statistic, the left mental illness?
And PA voter fraud, which is weird because I didn't tweet about.
And then she was like, I know where the real mental illness is.
It's in this delusion.
And it was like this really nasty thing.
And I was just like, okay.
Went on Google, typed in liberal mental illness, and then just started screen grabbing all the things that came up because they do.
She ended up taking the tweet down and saying, I apologize.
But that's the example.
High profile, prominent individuals who are angry, arrogant, and use their ignorance for influence, or in their ignorance they influence, not even an effort to Google search it.
Hubris and laziness.
And that is driving one Fact, a large portion of the political debate.
angela mcardle
Well, I mean, you've got the postmodern education system telling people that truth is relative.
It's objective.
It's whatever you embrace.
So why would they go and Google and search for the truth?
You know, we have people like AOC saying that, that the truth isn't as important.
I'm going to butcher her quote.
Um, that it doesn't, it doesn't matter, you know, like what's in your heart matters.
tim pool
If you're factually correct, it matters that you're morally correct.
angela mcardle
Correct.
ian crossland
There's that saying that ignorance is bliss that it goes way back.
Yeah.
I think a lot of these people are living in a state of ignorant bliss.
The American dream, for instance, if you do your best, you can get a house with a picket fence.
Like, you know, we've been enslaving the world with our economic OPEC oil money for like 70 years.
It's not natural to have this kind of luxury.
Wake up, shatter yourself out of the out of the ignorant.
Haze.
And look at the information.
It's not pleasant, but it has to happen.
tim pool
Ian, we went into the garden.
We have like a strip of wood chips.
Yeah.
unidentified
And some grass started to sprout.
tim pool
And nobody weeded it.
And it turns out it was wheat.
And then once it clearly was wheat, I was like, hey, look, wheat is growing.
Let's leave it.
And then once it dried out and was ready, we started eating and I started pulling it.
And it took like a half an hour to get like a fourth of a cup of wheat grains or whatever.
ian crossland
That's not an exaggeration.
tim pool
And I was like, this is too much work.
angela mcardle
Little red hint.
tim pool
I don't want to do this.
angela mcardle
There's a Russia joke in here somewhere.
I can't quite find it.
tim pool
The point, though, is we were laughing at how difficult it was to, by hand, try and pull the grains.
And then we have a mortar and pestle, and the other day I was mashing it, and I'm like, this is nuts!
So we have a blender, and I threw the wheat into the blender on a low speed, and it instantly pulled everything apart.
And then you blow on it, and all the husk blows away.
And I was like, that took 10 seconds.
The blender.
Thank you, science.
But imagine if your entire day was dominated by just, if I'm gonna live, I gotta do this.
And you had no free time because you're just mashing grains and then eating what you get.
ian crossland
I can see how it would be rewarding because there's purpose in it.
Like if there was a big city of us and I had to be the guy that made the bread, I'm fucking down, man.
It feels rewarding to give and to know that people are gonna survive because of my work, whatever it is, more so than like, You know, hitting level 90 in Skyrim because no one, although it takes many, many more hours and it's more fun, you could even say it's not rewarding.
Like I turn the game off and it's not, no one is eating healthy now.
angela mcardle
It's a dopamine hit, but it's not.
mary morgan
Tim, you say that would allow for no free time, but I think with that repetitive action, if that were the defining action of your life, it would end up being more of a meditative practice.
And people don't do that anymore because thinking makes them sad.
tim pool
But also you'd be like Ian and I were hanging out.
angela mcardle
Right.
tim pool
And we're working on this thing together.
unidentified
Yeah.
angela mcardle
There's community.
ian crossland
You're good at that.
I'd see how you were doing it a little different and then I'd start to change mine.
tim pool
And then not just that.
ian crossland
Friendly competition.
tim pool
I would I would be you'd be you'd be handing me the wheat grains and be mashing them.
And I'd be like, oh, you see that bear?
That came over the other day.
And you know, it's like, you're like, I'm making a very bad hand.
mary morgan
You're removing yourself from the object of what you're doing.
And you get to build community.
And also, if you're doing it alone, it becomes a meditative practice.
angela mcardle
I have a friend who moved from LA out to a farm in the middle of America.
He says it's the most rewarding thing he's ever done in his life.
I don't know if I'd feel that way, but some people are deeply satisfied.
tim pool
Chickens are a lot of fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm not big on like working to work, like running.
Some people run just to run and I'm not into that.
I like to run to get somewhere and I like to do it really well.
So if I'm making food because people need it, that's a whole other thing.
tim pool
Yeah, I think we are in the dystopian future where we have all this luxury.
And so, what do you do?
You sit around all day, you play video games, you go to the grocery store, there's your Flamin' Hot Cheetos and your Mountain Dew, and it's just there!
And it's like, not that hard to get.
You don't gotta do that much work to live this well.
It's crazy.
You have people who come from South America, Central America to come to America and come to the United States and work for like 10 bucks an hour at like a fast food restaurant.
And you ask them why and they're like, I'm going to get 400 bucks this month, this week, man.
I was making like 40 bucks a week back home.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I'll be able to save up and buy a gallon of milk.
And then, you know, Americans look at that like, that's, that's crazy.
Like you're not getting paid enough.
The rest of the world looks at it like, wow.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
All you got to do is flip a burger and you can eat a burger.
That's crazy.
angela mcardle
It is wild.
When I, when I worked in restaurants, when I was in college, the dishwashers who were Latin, Latin American always worked two full-time jobs and they would get off of the shift wherever I was at and go to their other job.
And we were all like, well, it had our minds blown by that.
And they were like, well, of course I work 16 hour days.
Why, why wouldn't I work to stay alive and send money to my family?
It would just, It's a completely different paradigm.
We just can't even relate to it.
tim pool
Yeah, what do we have with Millennials, man?
Millennials are like, the government should give me free stuff.
angela mcardle
I know.
tim pool
I should sit around reading Harry Potter and the Handmaid's Tale and get money for it.
angela mcardle
And a lot of them live in quote-unquote poverty, according to them.
But what really is, they have a smartphone, they have Netflix, they're in a studio apartment, and they're on unemployment, and they're on food stamps or whatever, but they're still getting groceries from the regular grocery store.
And it doesn't sound that bad.
I mean, if that's the baseline.
ian crossland
We've got this weird phenomenon in the U.S.
and around the world, too, where you can make money off of money that you already have investing banking.
So like the people that come here to work 16 hours, they don't think it's not about I can't wait to invest money.
When you have these Americans that are like, I'm going to get rich one day and invest in my 401k and then I don't have to work anymore.
Well, you work until the day you die, my man.
angela mcardle
Yeah, I don't know how that 401k is doing now.
tim pool
Yeah.
angela mcardle
But let's preserve it.
tim pool
Come on, man.
angela mcardle
Let's preserve as much luxury as possible.
ian crossland
That's what I'm thinking because it's spreading around the world.
People, countries want, people want, they want to sit in air conditioning, they want running water, they want prosperity, they want fresh showers, they want good food.
So why don't we have it for everyone?
tim pool
But I think it's fair to say clean water and air conditioning isn't necessarily luxury.
Climate control saves lives.
When the AC goes out, people die.
It's luxurious in a sense.
I get it.
I don't want to downplay that you don't need... Older people do.
When you have a heat wave, you see a lot of older people and a lot of babies die.
angela mcardle
Because we're not used to living that way either.
tim pool
Right.
So there are some things where it's like, okay, I think the double quarter pounder with extra, you know, sauce and a super fry and a liter of cola...
Maybe a little bit too much, huh?
Living off of that.
Certainly, I think there's a lot of luxuries.
Simpler life, in my opinion, is helpful to a lot of people.
But you know what?
I'm not necessarily... I'm not saying that luxury is bad and it shouldn't be allowed.
I'm saying there are some people who take it to a dark place.
Certainly, there are people who work really, really hard to earn their luxuries and are grateful.
And there are many people who meditate on or pray on the gifts they receive.
And there are a lot of people who demand they get more no matter how much they have.
ian crossland
Okay.
That's great.
Yeah.
I don't, I wouldn't, I don't think it's necessarily a person or another person that's like, this guy's greedy.
That guy's not, but people can, they can phase in and out of greed due to external circumstances being, you know, that's up for debate.
That would take an hour to even talk about.
tim pool
Anyway, the whole point of that whole conversation, I guess, was that I think part of what the conflict is in this country is there are people who think they should get things from you or from the government.
Or like when we had this progressive on, and he kept saying the government should pay for it, the government should pay for it.
And I'm like, that comes from the taxpayer.
And he's like, no, it doesn't.
ian crossland
Dude, there's people that... Oh, what were you going to say?
angela mcardle
It comes from me.
tim pool
You specifically, you're the person with all the money and the government has to come to you for loans.
ian crossland
There's people that think that electricity is not a luxury.
Those people are the problem.
That state of mind is the problem.
Give thanks to the running water when you have it.
angela mcardle
Last thing I'll say, just pull your kids out of public school.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Home school your kids.
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Jeff sees his Pork Fest is happening now.
Oh, is it?
ian crossland
Yeah, this week.
tim pool
Oh, cool.
That's where all the anarchists go up to New Hampshire and then fire flamethrowers and stuff, right?
angela mcardle
And the libertarians.
tim pool
And the libertarians.
angela mcardle
There'll be a Mises tent.
tim pool
Oh, yes.
unidentified
All right.
Uh-oh.
tim pool
What's this?
Audrey Daniel says, Danielle, why is Mises so bigoted and transphobic?
Join the LPPA.
LPPA.org.
Help free Philly.
Don't tread on Philly.com and don't tread Philly on Twitter.
Is Mises bigoted and transphobic?
angela mcardle
That's hilarious because she's one of our quote-unquote token trans members.
She's joking.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
It's a joke.
angela mcardle
She got an award from us, actually, for her Don't Tread on Philly activism.
She's fantastic.
tim pool
All right.
Matthew Lucas says, Angela, tell Tim why he should come to LPVW convention next year.
WV.
WV, sorry.
angela mcardle
Well, I did get to pet a porcupine and shoot machine guns in the snow at their state convention.
It was actually incredibly based.
And they had no infighting.
Their convention was delightful.
tim pool
If they get large quantities of Dragon's Breath, 12 gauge, you know, I'm down for that.
You ever see that?
It's just like a shotgun full of magnesium.
So it just like sprays sparks.
angela mcardle
I'm sure they could.
They have everything.
tim pool
Excellent.
angela mcardle
I think they had cannons.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
I'll bring out my Barrett M82 and, you know, we'll hit stuff with it.
On the range.
Safely, of course.
angela mcardle
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Let's grab some more super charts.
C. Davis says, I'm afraid if we don't do something soon, there may not be anything left to save.
You can't do this many things wrong to the country on accident.
I got to wonder about that too.
Like, that's what I was making the point about the swattings we've dealt with and the threats.
Like at a certain point, people just lose confidence in law enforcement when they're like, how does this keep happening?
angela mcardle
Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, that's why you got to get your own gun.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
angela mcardle
I don't trust the law enforcement at all to do anything.
And I know a few ex-police officers who are libertarian and pretty nice guys.
But they're the exception, not the rule.
It's just it's bureaucracy, but with guns.
tim pool
There's a, I posted this video I saw on Reddit.
It was a couple, I think Norwegian young men were shot multiple times by some random dudes and they called their version of 911 and the lady didn't believe them.
He was like, help, we're dying, my friend's dying.
And she was like, what happened?
And he's like, they shot me.
And where?
And he's like, my shoulder, my stomach and my head.
And she goes, if you were shot in the head, how are you talking?
angela mcardle
It's like, wow, they stepped.
I was at a shooting at a Thai restaurant in Hollywood.
They stepped over my waitress slash friend as she was dying and walked into the restaurant looking around just stepped right over her body.
tim pool
Brutal man.
Brutal.
All right.
Michael Fernando Melo says, Loving the show, TimCast crew.
The Libertarian Party is in good hands with Angela, Dave Smith and the rest of the Mises caucus.
Is Dave running for president?
angela mcardle
He hasn't announced officially that he is running for president.
He just keeps talking about what he would do if he was officially running for president.
tim pool
Michael Malice, press secretary.
Oh, man, that would be the best.
angela mcardle
That might become a thing.
tim pool
I hope so.
I hope so.
Yeah, we'll see, man.
ian crossland
What are your plans with the party in the short term?
angela mcardle
Well, we've been doing some aggressive overhaul of our messaging, strategic planning, putting together, I don't know, actual plans for our long-term and short-term future, trying to rework how we tackle ballot access things.
You know, I'd like to see us do more lobbying instead of petitioning.
We're just basically, it's a 50-year startup that I'm coming in, basically, like it's a startup.
unidentified
Wow.
angela mcardle
It's a lot of work and it is awesome and I love it.
tim pool
All right.
Jay Bobia says, Hey Tim, long time listener.
Do you think that the Republicans, if they gained the presidency in Congress in 2024, could use the Communist Control Act of 1954?
No.
What do you think?
angela mcardle
No.
tim pool
I don't think so.
Um, cultural enforcement is more powerful than law.
angela mcardle
Absolutely.
At this point.
tim pool
So, um, Josie, the redhead, redheaded libertarian often points out that the 1964 Civil Rights Act excludes communists from civil rights protections.
Did you know that?
angela mcardle
I don't believe I've picked up on that.
tim pool
I'm like, was that amended?
Did they change that?
Because it's in there.
I read it.
The 1964 Civil Rights Act says, like, this bill will not be construed to protect those who are communists or members of communist organizations or something like that.
angela mcardle
When was McCarthyism over?
tim pool
Don't know.
angela mcardle
Okay.
ian crossland
Probably the day he died.
unidentified
When he could die.
tim pool
No, I mean, there were policies like that in place.
angela mcardle
The Red Scare.
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah.
Joseph von Wagner says be based join the LP at LP org.
Oh, well, there you go Ryan's reaction says I was here before the Civil War.
Hi mom.
unidentified
Well, alright All right.
tim pool
SharkBiteBiz says, special shout out to Angela from David Strosser.
Angela will be SharkBiteBiz season four finale next Monday on YouTube and Rumble.
Keep up the good work, Angela.
Rock on.
We need more people like you.
angela mcardle
Yeah, he's really awesome, dude.
tim pool
Looking forward to it.
What is it?
angela mcardle
I'm going on his podcast next week.
Oh, cool.
It's less libertarian politics and more about policy and industry and how government, you know, ruins those things for us all.
tim pool
All right, Travis Bost says, the LP of the Eastern Panhandle would love a shout out or even a visit, meeting this Wednesday at the Ladder House in Martinsburg, and also our LPEP convention on 7-16.
This Wednesday.
Unfortunately for me, I work 16-hour days, and then this weekend we're going to New York for the Festival of Minds Festival.
It's Festival of Minds.
ian crossland
Festival.minds.com.
That's it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Hope to see everybody there.
ian crossland
Minds Festival of Ideas.
tim pool
Festival Ideas.
There you go.
Check it out.
Festival Ideas in New York City is gonna be epic.
Tulsi Gabbard, James O'Keefe, me.
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Yeah.
Was it festival.minds.com?
That's it.
We got a whole bunch of people saying Dave Smith 2024.
Jake Moore says, Hey, Angela McArdle, you the real MVP.
Can't wait to see you what see what our party will become under your leadership.
Also Dave Smith 2024.
angela mcardle
It's happening.
tim pool
It is happening.
angela mcardle
It's happening unofficially.
unofficially because no exploratory committee has been launched yet to my knowledge.
So it is unofficially happening.
tim pool
Well, all right.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
I look forward to it.
That'll be fun.
And then as soon as we pulled up the, um, then we have a bunch of super chats because as soon as we pulled up the one display on the screen, it shut the mics off.
So there's a bunch of people saying no audio.
angela mcardle
No, of course.
tim pool
Thanks for the super chats telling us there was no audio.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Dark Horizon says, it's really funny to see everyone's faces react to what Tim is saying when nobody on stream can hear Tim.
ian crossland
I wonder what that was like.
lydia smith
It's a secret.
tim pool
Well, we can watch it.
I don't know.
It's going to be two minutes, I think, of dead air, so maybe we'll have to... I don't think we can do anything about that.
angela mcardle
I'll see what I can do.
tim pool
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
lydia smith
Well, we started reading it again, so I'm probably, for the podcast, I'm just going to go ahead and take it out.
tim pool
For the podcast version.
I don't think YouTube allows you to trim stuff.
lydia smith
They do.
It takes a really, really long time to process a podcast.
tim pool
On the live stream they allow it?
lydia smith
We've done it before.
tim pool
Really?
Because I know we had that problem before where they were like, we couldn't take it out of the live stream version.
lydia smith
Yeah, we had to trim something one time and we made it happen.
It just took hours.
It took forever.
tim pool
Oh yeah, it takes like three days.
lydia smith
It took a long time, yeah.
tim pool
Michael Heiss says, Tim, would you support a Dave Smith-Kennedy for president with Michael Maus as press secretary?
Yes, 100%.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
The challenge here is always the practical versus the realistic versus the idealistic.
angela mcardle
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
If Trump was running against some awful Democrat, I'm like, Trump's not that bad.
However, if Dave Smith's running, then I would like to see a Dave Smith presidency with a Michael Mills press secretary.
angela mcardle
I would like to see it.
tim pool
I would support that to a great deal.
angela mcardle
I want, I want to be promoting that from the Libertarian Party.
I want you to go to LP.org and you just see that everywhere.
I just want that.
That's going to be so good.
tim pool
I want to see Michael Malice sitting down with like, I don't know, Meet the Press.
angela mcardle
Yes.
Yes.
tim pool
It's going to be so amazing.
angela mcardle
I want to see him on Good Morning America.
ian crossland
Joy Behar on The View.
angela mcardle
That's where he belongs.
tim pool
What are they going to do?
They like, they have to.
It's the LP.
It's like big enough to where they have to cover it.
angela mcardle
They will cover it.
ian crossland
Dude, Dave Smith's the only one talking about Yemen, man.
And what a horrific atrocity is passively being caused there by the American government.
angela mcardle
We are about to launch an awareness campaign through the National Libertarian Party on Yemen.
We're also going to be doing something on inflation and Bitcoin.
But Yemen is coming up this week.
tim pool
Gone false as I do not want a civil war.
But these Democrats have been suppressing us, our opinions, our thoughts.
They hate us.
They want us gone.
They do not share our American culture and morals any longer.
People tend to rebel.
ian crossland
But they're not American, dude.
Don't get surprised.
tim pool
This is what's funny when, like, you hear them say all the time, like, our democracy is in danger.
And I'm like, no, they mean it.
They do.
They mean their democracy, not our constitutional republic.
They've been building their democracy.
We live in a constitutional republic, and the democracy is threatening our constitutional republic, and so we're like, that's bad, and their democracy is losing, and so they're like, our democracy.
angela mcardle
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on who's for dinner.
I hate democracy.
You can quote me on that, everyone.
Libertarian party.
Not a fan of democracy.
tim pool
A republic is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
angela mcardle
That's right.
tim pool
All right.
Joseph Von Wagener says, live in PA, be based, and join the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania now at lppa.org.
Look at all these ads for the Libertarian Party popping up throughout this.
angela mcardle
The Pennsylvania Party is incredibly based.
tim pool
Yeah?
angela mcardle
They are really good.
Love them.
tim pool
All right.
Joshua Clark says, the most basic question is not what is best, but who should decide what is best?
Dr. Sowell.
Libertarians believe you should decide what's best for your life.
Join us if you believe in all freedom for all people.
Lp.org.
Is everybody just shouting out LP.org?
angela mcardle
I thought we were going to get a lot more shoutouts for the Mises Caucus.
tim pool
Corey Tallman says, the Republicans sold you out with red flag laws.
The Democrats think the economy is doing great.
The Libertarian Party is the only party that cares about freedom.
And then join the LP.org and join the Mises Caucus.
A lot of super chats here.
angela mcardle
Okay, there you go.
Well, I will tell you that that is true.
And unfortunately, even Ron DeSantis has not got a good track record on red flag laws.
So that is something I 1000% oppose.
tim pool
19 states already have it.
You've got a bunch of Republicans signing on for gun control.
The establishment is the establishment.
The uniparty is the uniparty.
The Trumpians may have got in and made some big changes, but they resisted.
They sabotaged Trump in a lot of ways.
He made that mistake, man.
All right, let's jump down and grab a bunch of superchats.
Tim McDonough says, Ian, I'm glad you're back.
I wanted to recommend a book called Beautiful Outlaw by John Eldridge.
It really changed my view on religion.
It gave me permission to be a real man and a Christian.
Jesus was a prankster and a gangster.
Keep a pushing team.
Oh, interesting.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
All right.
Waffle Sensei says, we were victorious in the World War because we were half a globe away and didn't join the war until the very end.
Now the one target every other world power is watching to fall is America.
We need to all be smarter.
Yeah, definitely, man.
Jameson says, did you see Joe falling off his bike?
Nice to see him finally learning leaning right in something.
That was a good one.
Yeah, he fell because he had clips on the pedals.
And so when he took his left foot out, he started to lean to his right, take his right foot out, but he got caught in the clip and fell forward.
angela mcardle
Because it was weird to watch.
He stopped and then he just... His foot got stuck in the pedal clip.
tim pool
Joe Biden?
Joe Biden, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, man.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
mary morgan
Did anyone rush to catch him?
angela mcardle
No.
lydia smith
Oh, they just watched it happen, though?
angela mcardle
It was like the meme come to life.
The bike meme.
tim pool
The bike meme come to life.
Oh, man.
Mr. Obvious says, people keep saying that if the union shatters, it will cause a civil war.
But if the union doesn't shatter, it will also cause a civil war.
I fear that we cannot coexist at this point.
Something has to give.
angela mcardle
Good observation.
tim pool
So over the past 12 years or 14 or 15 years, the country was split in two a long time ago and they're getting so far away from each other.
There's no bringing it back together.
angela mcardle
I'd rather take the risk and secede.
Try to do it as peacefully as possible.
You don't know until you try.
tim pool
Maybe negotiations to some degree.
I mean, what about just like heavy federalism and the state's rights and all that stuff?
angela mcardle
Yeah, I would take it.
Anything in that direction, I'd take it.
tim pool
Yeah, I fear that it's not the direction we're going.
ian crossland
No, there's no point in fighting ourselves inward.
It's multinational, it's these megacorps that are trying to buy the world.
That is the issue to focus on.
angela mcardle
Remember settle for Biden?
Remember that being a thing?
I'd settle for federalism.
tim pool
Kane the fourth says Tim's ad runs are hilarious.
Elon has a dispute with Texas.
Elon has a dispute with Texas lawyers.
Tim, you know where I like to get my meat?
So we, we have ads that appear on the podcast and some people point out that there's like some, it just jumps to the ad sometimes.
So like, you know, it'll be funny.
Let me, me saying something like there's a major lawsuit happening right now with Elon Musk and I purchased my meat from moinkbox.com.
I think it's funny.
lydia smith
Free shout out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Free shout out guys.
Clayton Pajunas said, I'm a Mises Caucus member and the Libertarian Candidate for Congress in NJ-07.
I decided to be the change I want to see.
Check out ClaytonForCongress.com.
I would love to see some Libertarians win congressional seats.
angela mcardle
We're working on that, but the way that it's got to really play out is we've got to make that a long-term goal.
We've got to focus on winning local elections right now.
You still got to run people at the national level because that's how you get the name recognition, but the bulk of our attention needs to be on localization and grassroots so that we can stack political capital, gain experience, and then start moving up.
ian crossland
Is there any value to politicians that are already in office switching their party?
angela mcardle
Yeah.
And one of the things that I'd like to do is try to convince people to switch on their last term, whether they're terming themselves out or they're moving on to something else.
Like if you could switch their last six months to libertarian, I think that would be really good for us.
tim pool
All right.
David Robinson says, those saying civil war will never happen have normalcy bias.
Those who think it will have quote, when will something interesting happen bias?
When are you guys having Justin Amash on?
I was very critical of him several years ago, but I'm definitely interested in having him on to talk about all this stuff.
Cause I don't even remember what the issues were several years ago.
It was something about him coming out and just impeding Trump and a bunch of stuff like that.
angela mcardle
Really good insight on being a congressman.
He can provide that.
A little bit of the TDS.
Right.
But still worth it.
tim pool
That was basically it.
angela mcardle
Yeah, still worth the conversation.
tim pool
I think the issue was, and it's been a long time, that I didn't feel it was genuine.
That it was just like, TDS, now I'm going to be a libertarian because, and I'm like, oh man, I don't know about that.
But I'm, you know, like I was critical of Thomas Massey and he turned out to be right.
So I'll eat that one.
And then we had him on the show and he was fantastic.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you know, it is what it is.
All right.
What do we got?
Prince Namor says Jaws.
Oh, hey, Jaws is 47 years old today.
Happy birthday, Jaws.
angela mcardle
Happy birthday to my friend Gary's son, whose name I can't remember.
It's his birthday.
unidentified
Gary's son!
tim pool
Clint Torres says, Mary, so miss watching y'all live, but I'm out of the country on business.
Trying to keep up, but it's not the same.
Happy to see you here, though.
Love everything Timcast.
mary morgan
Oh, appreciate it.
He makes it rain on Pop Culture Crisis all the time.
tim pool
Oh, does he?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, for those that don't know, on Pop Culture Crisis, it's live, what, Monday through Friday at 3 p.m.?
mary morgan
Yeah, 3 p.m.
Eastern Time and noon Pacific Time if you're on Angela's side of the country.
tim pool
If you super chat, money guns fire money into the air.
lydia smith
It's very distracting.
tim pool
And then after like a hundred bucks or something, the sirens go off and then it makes it rain and it's like, and sprays everybody's money.
It's a crisis party.
angela mcardle
A crisis party.
mary morgan
We have fun over there.
angela mcardle
I'm going to tell all the libertarians to start super chatting that.
They're going to love that.
mary morgan
Shameless plug, go subscribe to Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube right now.
ian crossland
Dude, I was on it last week.
It was a week before last.
We talked about Ezra Klein.
mary morgan
Ezra Miller.
tim pool
Ezra Klein is a different guy.
ian crossland
I don't know a lot of Ezras.
Better than Ezra.
Dude, that story was nuts.
mary morgan
It got crazier.
ian crossland
Ezra Miller, this story is insane.
I watched the show, but we didn't talk about it.
mary morgan
We talked about it today, actually.
lydia smith
It never ends, my gosh.
tim pool
But like, Ian got sprayed with money and it went in his coffee.
ian crossland
Yeah, one of the bills flew through the air and then went right in.
tim pool
So there's like a meter that fills up and once it hits, it's like... Yeah, we've got a crisis meter.
lydia smith
We're just chickens.
tim pool
We were talking about it and people were like, what if Timcast IRL did something?
And I was like, we're like a serious primetime show.
It'd be like really weird if we were spraying money guns at each other.
Although we have before.
unidentified
Yeah.
mary morgan
It's definitely lighter material than what you get on IRL.
So, you know, if, if talking about pop culture also like makes you feel like you're losing your mind a little bit, then I think it's someplace that you can feel like you're normal.
Yeah.
It makes us go crazy too.
ian crossland
It does.
I'm someone that completely avoids it, but being able to talk about it with people that know what they're talking about is really invigorating.
angela mcardle
I just want a money gun.
I'm really into this.
tim pool
Yeah, dude, come on!
Alright, 2076 says, watching live at Porkfest.
Looking forward to tomorrow 3pm.
We have a panel on secession.
Live free and thrive.
NPLPNH was the first state to vote on secession.
Article 10 at New Hampshire Constitution.
angela mcardle
There you go.
Yeah, New Hampshire is doing incredible work.
The Free State Project and the Libertarian Party used to be at odds.
mary morgan
Really?
angela mcardle
Well, I mean, I've disclosed a little bit that their wokeism had infiltrated the LP, and so as that has been on its way out, now the Libertarian Party and Free State Project are best friends again, as they should be.
tim pool
Cool.
All right.
Nightmare Ghostify says, Tim, I moved to Austin, Texas this year from another Texas city.
Companies are moving people from Cali and the cult types are coming with them.
That's city urban liberal types.
They still think blue no matter who.
No questioning Dem failures.
unidentified
Oof.
tim pool
Yeah, so when people were like, go to Texas, I was like, I don't know about that.
angela mcardle
Oh, well, it could end up flipping blue.
tim pool
I really hope not because that is... Imagine being in Texas and it flips blue and you're like, I built a business here and moved from California.
angela mcardle
I would have another worldview imploding.
tim pool
But the Rio Grande Valley, man, looking at what's happening with the Hispanic community, voting Republican, I think it's actually probably pulling the other direction.
Plus, with people like Joe Rogan or Michael Malice moving down there, I think it's going to be red.
angela mcardle
I'm moving down there in a couple months.
tim pool
There you go.
What's the libertarian, the libertarian party is yellow, right?
angela mcardle
Yeah.
Gold.
tim pool
Gold.
There you go.
Golden black.
angela mcardle
Yep.
ian crossland
That's my high school colors.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
If we're in a simulation, which we might be, those are my high school colors.
I think there's something to it.
My problem with libertarianism is that the freedom idea of freedom, I feel like we've created kind of a prison that we live within that protects us to be free within the prison.
And without the external prison force of the U.S.
military, we're not, we might think we're free, but if the bombs start dropping, no one will, will protect us.
angela mcardle
Cut those prison bars, Ian.
Come over to freedom.
I totally understand people's concerns about military might and foreign empires.
I don't think that military defense would collapse if we were more libertarian.
I think we would just bring our troops home so that we wouldn't have entangling alliances all over the world.
And we would probably have a much more robust defense system.
ian crossland
What about the problem when, if you're fortified and entrenched in one area that everyone knows where you are, they can organize around you and coordinate an attack?
angela mcardle
Well, we still have nuclear power.
No one wants to see nuclear world war.
That would be horrible.
tim pool
Yep.
angela mcardle
An armed society is a polite society, and that goes the same globally.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Synthetic Greed says, Hey Tim, I was wondering if the event you are going to on the 25th will have any sort of recording or VOD available?
Love you guys and keep up the great work!
What is it?
Festival.minds.com?
ian crossland
That's it.
tim pool
There are streaming tickets, I believe, right?
unidentified
Yeah!
ian crossland
You can watch it live, actually, I believe.
tim pool
Yeah.
That'll be fun.
Y'all should come out if you can in New York, because we're going to be in New York City, and it's a big theater.
It's going to be massive.
This is crazy.
I can't believe it.
ian crossland
It's at the Beacon.
tim pool
Yeah, it's at the Beacon.
And it's a mix of left and right.
ian crossland
There's actually a free ticket request form for people that are in New York City or close to the area.
It's at festival.minds.com.
I mean, we are packing this place.
Get a ticket.
I know times have been hard for a lot of people financially, which is like we, uh, Bill had booked the event before COVID, like a year before COVID.
And then COVID was like, hello, economy.
And so now people are like, yeah, I don't know.
75 bucks is a lot to go to New York city to get a hotel, but they're free ticket request form too.
So check out this free ticket request form at festival.minds.com.
tim pool
Alright, Mina Misnoen says, This is civil war, collapse, the death of God, loss of faith in man, culture, God, etc., and many things recurring at once, setting the stage for what's to come.
My philosophy website, BezaBezar.com Yeah.
You know, looking at the food crisis, the fuel crisis, the Ukraine-Russia war and civil war, I'm like, everything's sort of happening all at once.
It's everything, everywhere, all at once.
angela mcardle
Is that a movie?
mary morgan
No, I didn't.
tim pool
That was a good movie.
mary morgan
I heard bad things about it, actually.
tim pool
I loved it.
I thought it was good.
But anyway, it's like all of this is happening all at the same time, and it feels like the end result is going to be from the ashes of the old, we will build a new.
angela mcardle
Yeah, I worry about a rise in fervent nationalism because that is not going to be a long-term solution.
Because that is not good for our private industry either and it's not good for individual rights.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what happened in Hitler's Germany as the nationalist psychopathy took over.
angela mcardle
They came in and took over.
There was all the quote-unquote degeneracy and, you know, people not having jobs and civil unrest, discontent, started blaming certain people.
Not a good scene.
tim pool
David C. Cronk Sr.
says, I love it.
Tim says, where do you get the energy?
Ian basically replies, just build a perpetual motion machine.
Love you guys.
ian crossland
Hey, fusion's not perpetual motion.
It's just really slow.
tim pool
You're like, we'll extract the salt from the water to create the energy to extract the salt from the water.
ian crossland
Well, in addition to the sunlight, which is bouncing off the mirrors.
tim pool
That's true.
That's true.
All right.
Ari Jacobson says, I A-U-E-D Lorenz, New York Times for... Oh, sued.
It's the typo.
I sued Lorenz, New York Times for defamation.
I'm a woman, not rich, not famous, not white, not guilty of the crimes Taylor published.
If my case is dismissed, MSM darlings keep lying with impunity.
Truth matters.
Hold them accountable, Tim.
So that's at little miss Jacob.
I'm gonna write that down.
I want to take a look at that.
unidentified
Yeah.
angela mcardle
Good luck with your lawsuit.
tim pool
I am writing.
Right-tang.
Write that down.
And I'll take a look.
Little Miss Jacob.
Is that on Twitter, I'm assuming?
angela mcardle
Must be.
tim pool
She defamed you?
Interesting.
Oh, there's the correction.
I sued Taylor Lorenz and the New York Times for defamation.
I would love to hear about that.
All right.
The Happy Holistic says, Tim, I have a new anti-woke sitcom script for you or Daily Wire called The Whites.
Script for pilot is available on Amazon.
Wrecked by your former guest Dave Rehboy.
Contact info is on Amazon page.
I love that.
We have a joke.
I'm going to spoil it, but we were talking with Jamie Kilstein, who's going to be helping put together the jokes for the vlog.
And his bit is kind of like the only place that would hire him, because he's like a progressive, is TimCast, because he got cancelled.
And then I said, well, it's either this or The Daily Wire.
So that's like a running joke, is the only place you can get hired at if you're cancelled is like here or The Daily Wire.
Gina Carano's back!
I hope you guys checked out that movie.
I'm gonna say this, because I love the Daily Wire guys.
I have had a hard time trying to watch it.
I've been trying so hard to watch their movies.
angela mcardle
I haven't seen them yet.
I need to.
tim pool
They gotta get the smart TV apps up.
unidentified
Okay.
Oh.
angela mcardle
Yeah.
Oh, you're right.
tim pool
Because they would get way more viewership and membership if they had Sony and LG.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Because we have Sony TV and LG TV, and I pull up the apps and I can't get the Daily Wire, so we tried doing, you know, casting from the phone and stuff, and I'm like, man.
mary morgan
So it's only on their website?
tim pool
Or their app.
So it's like Apple, Roku, Chromecast.
mary morgan
Because we've been wanting to review Terror on the Prairie.
angela mcardle
You can get it on Roku?
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Okay.
You have to have a membership to the site, which we do, so we can use that.
tim pool
Streaming service.
It's just that I have an LG TV, so I've got all of the apps on it, like YouTube TV and stuff, but I can't get Daily Wire.
So I told this to Jeremy, I was like, get your TV apps, man.
Cause like, we will watch all of this stuff.
We'll turn on Ben Shapiro and everything too.
Or we just, you know, cause I can't watch the movies.
We'll have to, it's just, meh.
Figure it out.
But you know what, man?
They're coming up and I'm really excited to see it.
Super excited for Terror on the Prairie.
That's awesome.
Looking forward to watching it.
All right.
ChoiceMusic says, Ian, I believe we actually have what is what is called willful destiny.
Yes, we have will, yet outside influences, whether you're religious or secular,
guide our choices, such as God and Pharaoh in Exodus, God hardened his heart, or survival and
ian crossland
or cowardice. That's for sure. Like, we're We're bound by outside forces that we need to eat to survive, but we have free will to not eat.
There are people that just choose not to and they die.
So you do have free will, even though there are external forces.
angela mcardle
I like it.
tim pool
A Green Clover says, Ian, to the response of libertarians that live far away.
And Rohan will answer.
angela mcardle
There you go.
ian crossland
That's trust.
That's faith in a system.
angela mcardle
Well, it's faith and trust in other individuals that you've developed relationships with.
Very important.
tim pool
Matt says, huge thanks to Angela for motivating us in Nebraska.
Join us in supporting her leadership, lp.org and lpne.org.
Based Me Caucus.
unidentified
Right on.
tim pool
Hearing good things.
It's crazy.
I mean, it's been like kind of rapid rise for the Mises Caucus, right?
angela mcardle
Well, it's taken about five years.
Feels kind of rapid.
I know, right?
Well, it started in the summer of 2017.
I got involved within a couple months, basically, as soon as I heard about it.
I was already active in the party, by the way, and I'd already run for Congress, but I was like, well, this is really what I care about.
This is the thing.
This is what it's supposed to look like.
And I said, you know, in 2018, I was like, that was kind of rough.
We didn't win at convention.
Maybe in four years, I'll run for chair.
I work really hard, study, do everything I can.
Here you are.
ian crossland
What is it about the Mises caucus that stands out?
angela mcardle
We want to make the Libertarian Party more welcoming to libertarians.
There is a much larger liberty movement and the Libertarian Party has historically in the last 20 years especially rejected it and gone more centrist moderate and over the last five years like very woke and begging for mainstream appeal.
tim pool
Remember who was the candidate last time?
The presidential candidate?
angela mcardle
Oh, Gary Johnson?
Or Joe Jorgensen?
tim pool
Joe Jorgensen.
And she said, you know, what did she say?
It's not enough to be not racist.
angela mcardle
We must be actively anti-racist.
tim pool
I just thought it was funny that the Libertarian Party telling us what we must do.
angela mcardle
It was painful.
It was painful.
I love Joe.
She's a sweet lady.
I would say that she got some very bad messaging campaign advice.
tim pool
Here's a very important one.
We'll get one more in here.
Free men die free.
Say, hey Angela, persuade Tim for an episode with Ron Paul.
Tim's show is a great platform to spread the same message we all learned, Ron's time is ticking.
Dr. Paul has an open invite to come on the show whenever he wants.
We are big fans of Ron Paul.
We had a Christmas tree, this is almost two and a half years ago, and Luke Rutkowski put a picture of Ron Paul on top and he said, I couldn't decide between a star or an angel, so I chose both.
angela mcardle
Nice.
tim pool
And then afterwards, he just stuck the picture of Ron Paul on one of the doors in the house.
ian crossland
It's there right now.
tim pool
It's been there ever since.
But we're big fans.
angela mcardle
So I bet Scott Horton or Daniel McAdams could probably arrange that.
ian crossland
Yeah, I will fly there tomorrow if that's what it takes.
tim pool
In Texas?
ian crossland
Wherever.
Yeah, wherever.
angela mcardle
He's in Texas.
He's in Texas.
I think it's Lake Forest.
tim pool
We would have to drive out the mobile studio week after next or something.
ian crossland
I mean, it is time.
angela mcardle
Well, I will reach out and connect you if you're not already connected.
I think you've had Scott Horton on.
tim pool
Yeah, we have, right?
unidentified
Yeah, we sure have.
tim pool
I skated with him, I'm pretty sure.
That was cool.
I did a kickflip pivot on the mini ramp.
Scott's awesome.
It was like midnight, and I was like, I can't skate, I'm too tired.
He's like, you have to.
And I was like, oh.
angela mcardle
Scott's always, he goes 100 miles an hour.
I'm a FOMO now, so for everybody watching, I can't skateboard, even though I like to skateboard, because I'm pregnant.
And everybody will be like, hmm.
tim pool
Would Ron be able to travel out here or?
angela mcardle
Possibly.
tim pool
That would be amazing.
angela mcardle
He traveled to our national convention and he spoke.
Oh yeah, that's right, that's right.
tim pool
Yeah, we covered that.
TimCast.com.
angela mcardle
Yeah, he was great too, the person you sent.
tim pool
All right.
Yeah, Chris, Chris Carr.
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Angela, you want to shout anything out?
angela mcardle
Yeah, if you want to join the Libertarian Party, I think you've heard it about 10 million times by now, it's LP.org.
If you want to get active in your state party, which is also really important, the best way to do that is to go to LPMisesCaucus.com.
They will get you connected with whoever you need to get connected with, all 50 states.
tim pool
Right on.
Mary, you want to shout anything out?
mary morgan
Yeah, I'm going to repeat myself too.
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ian crossland
Great to see you guys.
Thanks for coming.
I want to shout out Luke Rutkowski, who may or may not be still be in the chat.
He's at Porkfest this week.
What's up, homie?
And also a special tech tidbit.
I just found out, saw evidence that the sun may not actually be Super hot gas, but actually metallic hydrogen that's hexagonally latticed, just like graphene.
And borophene is hexagonal lattice.
tim pool
Ian, you sound crazy.
angela mcardle
A perpetual motion machine.
ian crossland
There's a video called The Sun is Not a Gaseous Plasma, the LMH Solar Model.
Check it out.
Bye.
lydia smith
Well, I have nothing so smart to add, but thank you guys for tuning in this evening with my lady versions of a Libertarian and Catholic.
Great conversation, ladies.
Thank you for coming.
Mary was a little bit nervous before she came on.
She did great.
We do have a great time over on Pop Culture Crisis.
I am on every Wednesday, and I think this Wednesday I'm on with Andy.
Gonna be super fun.
Looking forward to that.
You guys can find me on Twitter at Minds.com, at SourPetulants, as well as SourPetulants.me.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
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