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Timcast IRL - Biden Admin SLAMMED For Shuttering Gas Leases Amid RECORD High Gas w/Will Chamberlain
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ian crossland
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tim pool
Believe it or not, there are several gas and oil leases being shut down right now in the
U.S.
And Joe Biden is getting ripped apart because he's getting slammed over it.
It's his administration.
Gas prices just hit a new all-time record high average at $4.41, and people are feeling it.
There's also formula shortages and a report coming out that illegal immigrant processing centers are getting baby formula.
Yeah, you looked shocked as soon as I said it.
So yeah, it's like the two things you shouldn't do when things are bad.
So my point is the shuttering of oil and gas leases is not 100% on the Biden administration, but some of it is.
And I think it does show bad leadership, period, for whatever reason it happened.
And it's just remarkable how many people try and say, it's not Joe Biden's fault everything's falling apart.
Yeah, I don't care what you think in terms of the fault.
Regular people right now are reeling from the economic crisis in an election year.
I think November is going to be absolutely brutal.
We got a couple other stories, though.
Youngkin has finally stepped up and said the people protesting at the Supreme Court justices' homes should be arrested.
We have this report about Merrick Garland.
Apparently, he's got the FBI going after parents over, you know, this whole school thing with CRT.
And I believe the report says he's lying about it, so we'll get into all that stuff.
And then we have, in Texas, a law barring social media companies from censoring people was actually just reinstated.
So that's gonna get spicy.
We'll talk about that along with Elon Musk.
And joining us to discuss this is Will Chamberlain.
will chamberlain
Good to be with you guys.
Senior counsel at the Internet Accountability Project, which fights big tech abuses and pushes for regulation on big tech companies from a conservative perspective, and the Article 3 Project, which previously pushed for the confirmation of Trump's judges and now just generally opposes the left's attempts to put really wacko liberals in the court.
tim pool
Well, all right.
seamus coughlin
Fantastic.
I'm Seamus Coghlan.
I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
We just uploaded a video today called Bro V Wade.
I think you guys should go check that one out.
You will enjoy it.
And over to you, Ian.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Love you.
Hopefully we can maybe focus less on blaming people for this crap and work together and figure out how to make it better.
That's what I'm here for.
seamus coughlin
I think it's your fault.
That sounds like something you would say if it was your fault.
ian crossland
Dramatic.
unidentified
I get it.
tim pool
Right now you have leftists arguing that cryptocurrency is a scam and advocating for all the leftists to get away from it and never buy it, never buy in, never support it.
And Ian's still like, they're good people, I support them.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to help them change their message because cryptocurrencies that don't have a utility are intrinsically, scammishly, trashy.
But the utility brings value to the token.
tim pool
You've got massively funded, special interest, industrial complex funded NGOs screwing over the little guy.
ian crossland
It's like the wild west of economy before we made laws to make that stuff illegal.
tim pool
No, no, I'm talking about the political advocacy against crypto from the left specifically.
ian crossland
Oh, I can't wait to get into it tonight.
lydia smith
Let's do it.
Sorry, I don't want to bring the tone down, but today's news really kind of infuriated me between the news of the gas leases being cancelled and this formula that Americans actually really kind of need because parents are being forced to drive around with $5 a gallon gasoline to find formula for their children.
A little bit infuriating.
So hopefully we can keep happy.
tim pool
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Let's read this first story we got.
The Biden administration cancels prominent oil and gas leases.
One environmentalist said the announcement was good for the climate, which can't handle new oil and gas development.
Well, let's get to the nuance here.
Quote, due to a lack of industry interest in leasing in the area, the department will not move forward with the proposed Cook Inlet OCS oil and gas lease sale 258, a Department of Interior spokesperson told Fox Business.
However, there's also the Department of Interior ending two leases for the Gulf of Mexico region because of conflicting court rulings that impacted work on these proposed lease sales.
So, I'm not going to come out here and try and play some tribal nonsense where it's like Joe Biden arbitrarily just destroyed an oil and gas lease.
There's actually questions about whether or not these companies are trying to drill for oil.
But I wonder, When you get a president like Joe Biden, who actually shuts down an oil pipeline at this time, how many companies feel safe investing tons of money in new infrastructure that Joe Biden might turn around and just shudder?
Overnight, without due process, just executive order, you're done.
Why would an oil and gas company want to go build in Alaska when the president has already shown he will destroy your investment?
This is bad leadership.
ian crossland
I agree with that, actually.
I'm not a huge advocate of burning unlimited fossil fuel without attempting to recover the carbon, but it seems like maybe he's incentivizing people to get off oil, but it's just a dumb way to do it.
Like, I'll destroy everything so you stop using it.
Doesn't make any sense to me.
tim pool
Well, so in the Gulf instance, you've got environmentalists.
We just had that story about the electrical plant shutting down.
I think it was called Talon because they said regulations on climate change.
So they're like, we're shutting down.
Yo, I'll tell you this.
You think the baby food shortage is bad?
Let me just lay it out for everybody because they're like, what did Joe Biden do to make the gas prices go up?
All these fact checkers are like, it's not true.
Joe Biden bans oil and gas leases on federal lands.
Speculation goes up because supplies expected to be diminished in the US.
He just shuts down the Keystone pipeline.
How much money did that cost the oil industry?
A lot.
And I'm not saying I like the oil industry, guys.
Then, all of a sudden, they're like, why aren't they investing to build new oil drilling up in Alaska?
It's their fault we're not getting any of this stuff done.
Why would anyone want to invest in the United States energy production when Joe Biden has shown he has complete disdain for it?
You're going to lose all your money.
Go build in Saudi Arabia or go build in Qatar and build that pipeline or whatever.
will chamberlain
Yeah, it's basically, I mean, it's really childish, right?
I mean, there's a reason, I'm not generally like this Russia hawk or whatever, but Russia literally did fund green energy groups in the United States to try and push against domestic oil production, which is kind of an obvious thing to do from their perspective because, hey, that gives them, allows them to kind of corner the market and increases demand.
for their natural resources, which they're perfectly happy to draw in whatever way they want to see fit.
And so I think, yeah, I mean, I was looking at some of the information.
I don't know that the cancellation of these leases was more about them, like, giving up on a couple of, like, ones that had some conflicting court rulings about them.
tim pool
Yeah, it was a gulf.
will chamberlain
And there was, like, even Democrats, and I think there was, like, Tim Kaine was giving a speech about, hey, we really need to increase production here.
I don't know if you guys are trying hard enough here in the administration.
I don't know.
I feel like we're in a phase where it's like you've got, I think the White House probably is now, because they're so full bore towards Ukraine and to Russia, they're like, OK, fine, we'll let the oil and gas leases run.
But maybe the message hasn't trickled down to the bureaucrats yet.
tim pool
Take a look at this.
Triple A gas prices.
will chamberlain
441.
I guarantee you the Biden White House does not like this, right?
There are a lot of things.
They're conniving.
They're obnoxious.
But they're not complete morons.
So they do know that gas prices at this level will lead to them losing power.
tim pool
Well, no, no.
I mean, the dudes who are engaged in a bank heist are not stupid.
But why would you assume that they're looking out for your best interests?
will chamberlain
No, they're not, right?
I don't assume ever that they're looking out for their best interests.
I just know we're six months out of an election.
tim pool
The Joe Biden election to me would be like John Dillinger, like trying to get appointed as the head of a bank branch
and people being like, I never heard of this guy.
He sounds great.
And we're like, please, please do not give this guy.
I'm telling you he's going to loot the coffers.
And they're like, I don't know.
He looks trustworthy.
Cool name too.
And then all of a sudden, you know, the bank is failing and you're like, I can't believe this is happening.
Well, Joe Biden's crooked.
He's always been crooked.
You put a crooked guy in charge, crooked things happen.
And now all these people are like, why is gas higher than it's ever been?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They try to play the game.
It's not Joe Biden's fault.
It is Vladimir Putin and the unprecedented pandemic.
And it's like, dude, if Joe Biden didn't cancel Keystone, if he didn't ban oil and gas leases on federal lands, if they weren't making the moves they're making now, my point, I'll just summarize it with this.
If Donald Trump was president, he would be like, you know, he'd be yelling, Get me the head of these companies.
I want them in here right now.
What's going on?
They're making me look bad.
We need to get these prices down.
And they would have a meeting.
You'd hear in the press that the CEOs of these companies are coming to the Oval Office.
Donald Trump would be like, what do we gotta do to get you producing?
They'd say, these regulations are impeding us.
And he'd be like, we're getting rid of them.
Get the oil baby drill.
And the prices would be going down.
ian crossland
And then they'd be fracking.
I heard earthquakes have gone up because of fracking.
If you look at, like, Oklahoma earthquakes, where there's, like, no earthquakes.
All of a sudden, since they started fracking, you see massive amounts of microquakes.
They're not huge.
tim pool
But that's a good thing.
ian crossland
Of course.
Earthquakes are always fantastic.
What's happening is they're taking liquid out of the earth, and it's leaving, like, a craterous vacuum in there.
And then the crust just ends up slipping on itself.
tim pool
Well, they're injecting hydraulic fluid.
ian crossland
Yeah, and they inject weird chemicals back in.
tim pool
I mean, just look on the bright side.
Now that we know we're creating earthquakes, maybe we can create some kind of earthquake generator.
ian crossland
A piezoelectric energy producer.
tim pool
We'll get even more energy out of it.
That's more brilliant than ever before.
ian crossland
You know, turning problems into solutions that are better than what we had at the beginning is a human thing.
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
I mean, it would be funny if, like, have you guys ever seen those flashlights where you beat them and they charge?
ian crossland
Show me that again.
tim pool
You beat him?
ian crossland
Oh yeah, I think I know what you're talking about.
tim pool
They have a magnet in it, and there's a copper coil, and when you make the motion, it throws the magnet back and forth, which then generates a current, and will charge up the battery.
So all you gotta do is... That's not piezoelectricity.
Piezoelectricity is like molecular vibration.
ian crossland
It's friction-based energy.
tim pool
So once the earthquake happens, you have all these magnets bouncing up and down in the coils, and you're just generating free energy.
So after you get the oil, or I'm sorry, the gas, was it shale?
Is it shale oil, actually?
Is it oil?
I don't know, whatever.
After you extract the fossil fuels, and everything's crumbling all around you, you just have the electrical generation, and you extract more energy.
ian crossland
It's perfect.
I think that's actually a really good idea.
lydia smith
We should see if we can do that.
tim pool
It's probably going to take some years.
ian crossland
I'm nerve-wracking now.
seamus coughlin
This sounds like Russian disinformation.
unidentified
It does, yeah.
seamus coughlin
But I mean, your point earlier about the Russian government sending funding towards certain environmental groups to try to discourage the production of oil in the United States is so depressing, and it's just so indicative of how abysmally easily the population and the political system is influenced in this country by people who understand our way of thinking.
The American government does not really understand the way Russian culture operates, the way Russians think, or the way that the Chinese population thinks, but they actually understand the way we think really, really well, to the point where we are extremely easy for them to manipulate.
Like, yes, climate change.
No, use other people's oil.
Yes, stop making in your own country.
Yeah, it's like, but you're still using the fossil fuels.
You're still using them.
Do they not cause pollution if they come from Russia?
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
We need to invade Alaska.
lydia smith
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Like the four of us?
will chamberlain
The five of us?
We own it, though.
tim pool
No, I'm kidding.
Like we invade it for oil.
ian crossland
Oh, right.
will chamberlain
Let it secede and then reinvade it?
I don't know.
tim pool
No, no, we send in the troops and then, you know, let's liberate Alaska.
will chamberlain
How am I supposed to do that to California, right?
You let it secede, you invade it, you occupy it, you turn it into a colony, like an old-school territory with no electoral votes, and we've solved most of the country's problems.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, there was a fantastic Babylon Bee headline a while ago.
It was, Biden gives Alaska back to Russia so they can drill for oil there now.
tim pool
So we can drill for oil there now.
I do like that idea of California being, it's like, oh no, they seceded.
All right, take it back.
ian crossland
It's ours now.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
It's a colony.
You made an interesting point.
tim pool
The natives, they're called Native Americans.
Native Californians.
ian crossland
Native Americans, yeah.
I think you mentioned that politicians are easily swayed.
seamus coughlin
Is that what you were saying earlier?
Our political system is very easily swayed if you understand the way people think.
ian crossland
You really need a strong leader.
Biden's not as strong.
He's a weak-minded older man that seems to be kind of disparate.
But if you have a strong mind, young person, that can also be dangerous because then they don't listen.
You don't want someone that doesn't listen.
But you need someone that isn't swayed by nonsense.
Or the wind, you know?
Yeah, they're representative, but they still have to have a strong mind.
tim pool
Trump was swayed by a lot of nonsense.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, but here's to your point, Ian.
You want someone, ideally, who's strong-minded and has a solid moral compass.
You don't want someone who's weak-minded with a solid moral compass, right?
You don't want someone who's strong-minded with a poor moral compass.
We have someone who's weak-minded and has a poor moral compass.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I mean, he was a plagiarist in 1988.
He had to drop out of the presidential election because he was found plagiarizing his presidential campaign.
tim pool
Just look up Biden, Inc.
by Politico, and they show you this map showing how every time he gets appointed to some position, his brother gets rich off of it.
It's like, oh, something like that.
It's like, what a coincidence.
Obama puts him in charge of Iraq, and then all of a sudden his brother's getting contracts in Iraq.
seamus coughlin
No, I think it's just a good sign that he's doing, you know, fortune has smiled upon him because he's such a good guy.
tim pool
No, it makes sense.
I mean, they're brothers.
They're both equally talented.
It's no surprise that his brother is doing so well in the exact same areas.
ian crossland
Yeah, his brother was awesome.
And then I don't care if he's his brother or not.
seamus coughlin
Well, why was his brother the first one in the Biden family to attend college?
tim pool
Is that true?
seamus coughlin
No, that was his speech he plagiarized.
unidentified
Like, why am I the first Biden to attend college?
seamus coughlin
It's hilarious because it's one thing to plagiarize a speech as a politician and take some sort of banal utterance about freedom or equality or these things that usually come up in political speeches.
He literally took someone's background story.
There was a British politician talking about him.
will chamberlain
Neil Kinnock, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Oh, he was like the first in his family to go to college and they were working class and Biden literally gives the guy's speech with a couple details changed.
tim pool
It's insane.
ian crossland
Echoes of Biden's 1987 plagiarism scandal continue to reverberate from, this is a Washington Post.
You mentioned Neil Kinnick.
How was he involved in the plagiarism scandal?
will chamberlain
Well, that's whose speeches Biden plagiarized, right?
Neil Kinnick was like a leader of the opposition in Britain when Margaret Thatcher was prime minister.
And literally, Kinnick had just given these speeches as leader, and Biden's like, that's a really good speech.
seamus coughlin
And it's funny.
And then after he heard Biden plagiarized him, he went, come on, man.
tim pool
And then Joe Biden was like, I like that.
seamus coughlin
He's like, that's a good one.
unidentified
That's a good one.
ian crossland
We got an article here from The Guardian.
seamus coughlin
Truder and Esch have a depression.
ian crossland
Neil Kinnick on Biden's plagiarism scandal, in quotes, and why he deserves to win.
Quote, Joe's an honest guy.
This is the guy who he plagiarized.
seamus coughlin
No way!
lydia smith
That's insane!
seamus coughlin
Are we sure Biden didn't put those words in his mouth?
tim pool
Build Back Better was plagiarized.
ian crossland
It's September 2020 when that article came out.
I bet it was just political propaganda because the guy hated Trump.
tim pool
Yeah, Build Back Better was plagiarized, and I think it was Boris Johnson called him out, I think, right?
He was like, Build Back Better, that's our thing, and Joe Biden started using it.
seamus coughlin
That's hilarious.
tim pool
It's amazing, dude.
It's just so crazy.
seamus coughlin
He's like, come on, man, when I made Brexit happen... No, he's hysterical.
It's sad.
And we laugh at it, but at the same time, you sort of have to.
The reality is this man is President of the United States.
This is the actual sitting President of the United States.
ian crossland
The thing is, you know he is not right for that spot because when you're the VP for two terms, you run for president next.
That, every time.
will chamberlain
That's very true.
ian crossland
And he was nowhere, gone, totally disinterested.
will chamberlain
And like, Obama didn't want him to, right?
That's the thing.
Obama sort of settled on Biden, but like... Didn't he call him an F-up?
He just don't underestimate his capability to screw things up.
lydia smith
You don't have to do this, Joe.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, though.
You guys aren't being fair.
Biden stepped down because he's a humble man.
And then when he saw Charlottesville happen, he said, I need to run for president.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
He felt the fires within.
seamus coughlin
I wonder who actually said that first.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
That's such a ridiculous story.
tim pool
There's like some lesser known Democrat who actually said that and he was like, that's pretty good, man.
seamus coughlin
That's hysterical.
That's so insane.
Like as if Joe Biden actually, he saw that happening.
He's like, you know what, this is a good opportunity to make my family some more money.
tim pool
It would actually be really funny if it was true.
It would be funny if it really was like Joe Biden sitting in his basement, like flip, you know, flipping channels.
And then he sees like CNN and he's like, oh, I have to run for president!
And then he like stands up and then you like shuffles out of you know with this
will chamberlain
In his towel and his dog Even on NTS president right like do you even think no one
thinks he's actually running the country?
tim pool
Oh, I do like sort of you sort of like it's not people. I don't think it's his people
seamus coughlin
I think his geriatric nurse is making the calls yeah, and so
tim pool
And so it's like, it's like one of those old tropes where the old man's in the bed and
like the nurse is sitting there and she's like, Biden says he wants to shut down oil
leases.
And they're like, well, I guess Biden wants it.
And like Kamala walks out like, well, everyone trusts his nurse.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, man.
tim pool
It's like, uh, no, no.
Who was the dude who was whispering into the Lord of the Rings?
ian crossland
Wormtongue.
Wormtongue.
will chamberlain
There's historical precedent for that.
That happened, you know, Woodrow Wilson was president and he had a stroke when he was negotiating Versailles and his wife basically ran the country for the remainder of his term.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So like Kamala is basically Wormtongue?
That was the name?
Yeah.
And so Biden's sitting there like, and then she's like, he says, shut down the gas leases.
What did he say, Mr. President?
Yeah.
And then Trump's... Someone should make the meme, then Trump returns, the return of the king.
ian crossland
Will, do you think that there's a political solution to the chaos, or do you look towards the private sector more?
will chamberlain
To what chaos?
ian crossland
To having Biden as president.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, yes, there's a political solution to having Biden as president, right?
Kick him out.
ian crossland
Do you think that's even politically possible?
will chamberlain
Sure.
I mean, not in the short term, right?
You're going to have Democrats in charge of the White House and therefore the agencies for the next two years.
There's not really doing anything about it until you elect a Republican and things get better.
In terms of a lot of these specific problems, there's no...
I don't know.
I worked for the Seasteading Institute.
You want to have privately created countries or something?
Compete that way.
ian crossland
Not Nick getting him out.
I'm not talking about getting him out.
I'm just talking about we're in a situation where we have no leadership.
I feel like there's very, very little to no leadership in the country.
So what would be a short-term solution?
Do you see one politically?
will chamberlain
No, there's no short-term solution to a lack of leadership from the White House.
I mean, they were just going to have to deal with that.
But we've got like two and a half more years of Brezhnev or whatever, basically, and then, you know, we'll have a chance to actually replace him.
ian crossland
What's Brezhnev?
will chamberlain
Brezhnev was like the Soviet leader who was very in a similar situation to Biden where
he was just very, very old, very, very sick.
And there were all these people talking about how healthy and vigorous he was in Pravda.
Like that was, he was notorious for just being kind of, Russia had a really sclerotic decline
at that point.
The guys who were running it were all the old revolutionaries who were now really old.
unidentified
Whoa.
seamus coughlin
Well, you know, you sort of mentioned the propaganda arm doing everything they could to make him sound as if he was competent and in good health.
And they're still doing that with Joe Biden, even though we see footage of the man speaking.
And it's abundantly clear to anyone who observes it that the man is not in his right mind.
He wasn't in his right mind during the primaries.
ian crossland
When I went to Ohio to hang out with my parents over Christmas last year, I was like, yeah, Joe Biden's a mess.
And they were like, no, Joe Biden's great.
And I was like, yeah, he's experiencing mental cognitive decline.
And they're like, yeah.
will chamberlain
Everyone knows it.
seamus coughlin
They're like, there's that.
will chamberlain
It's obvious.
You just put a video clip of him speaking 10 years ago, 2012, when Obama was president.
Perfectly articulate, clear, smooth cadence.
seamus coughlin
I wouldn't say smooth.
More articulate, but his gaffes then were outrageous as well.
will chamberlain
Sure, but he didn't stumble over his words.
He had more energy.
It sounded like a normal politician speaking in a lot of ways.
It doesn't sound like that anymore.
seamus coughlin
I think it's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Is that what it's called?
In the afternoon.
light chain he changed drastically in those four years yeah it's it's a
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
sundowning what it's called when you get older like you you start losing it your
brains in the afternoon as you as you're up you know so here's this guy he wakes
up in the morning and he's like I'm ready to get it and then you know within
unidentified
a few hours like a bar turn on a shop at a pressure yeah so the argument the
seamus coughlin
media's tried to make too and I don't hear this as often because I think even
they realized how ridiculous it was but that he just has a speech impediment is
something we know quite frequently No, I know, well that's ridiculous.
Well, I did a cartoon about this called Joe Biden's Speech Therapist, but basically the idea is like, a speech impediment doesn't make you say poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids.
That's not how speech impediments work.
Like, that's a gaffe.
The man says stupid things.
Well, hold on.
tim pool
Tourette's, maybe.
seamus coughlin
I guess, but is that a... would you consider that a speech impediment?
How is that defined?
tim pool
I'm not sure.
seamus coughlin
I know, but they would say that he had a stutter.
Like, it was his stutter that would cause him to say these things.
Dude, that's not how a stutter works.
will chamberlain
A stutter that just suddenly emerges at 78 years old, you know, in addition to you suddenly just having trouble making sense.
tim pool
Yo, people fall for this stuff.
seamus coughlin
I know!
Well, and they will...
The stutter argument was useful because what it allowed for them to do was pretend like there wasn't a problem, but also call you mean for pointing out the problem.
So when we acknowledge that Biden can't speak straight, even in his State of the Union address, which was the best he sounded, he sounded somewhat drunk.
He was slurring his words.
If you point that out, people could say, hey, that's really mean and disrespectful to say about the president, but it's also true.
It's only mean if you acknowledge that it's true.
That's not a mean thing to say about someone if it isn't the case.
tim pool
I want to pull up this meme right here we have of Kamala Harris because, you know, we're talking about people falling for stupid things.
This is a meme that's going around that has to do with the confirmation hearing of Brent Kavanaugh.
Kamala Harris says, I'll repeat the question.
unidentified
Can you think of any laws that give the government power?
tim pool
To make decisions over the male body?
will chamberlain
That's a good impression.
unidentified
Yeah, it's conscription.
tim pool
Next.
seamus coughlin
Also, every other law, because the law governs your corporeal form.
They're not like just making laws about your soul.
ian crossland
Making decisions about the male... Now, this is nuance that she missed in the question.
Making a decision about what someone can't do is a decision about the body.
Making a decision about what someone has to do is very, very rare.
Conscription is one of them.
tim pool
Conscription is specifically for men and their bodies, and they have to be thrown on the grenade for the sake of everybody else.
And I think in a real invasion, conscription's fine.
Like, if we were actually invaded and, like, all of a sudden we're like, ah, you know, this country has stormed the beaches and they're killing people, like, okay, well then everybody rally together, we're gonna die.
But, you know, then Vietnam is, like, not so good.
But anyway, that's not the point.
The point is, people share this.
They fall for these memes.
And I did a segment earlier because I responded to it by just saying, I'm pro-choice.
I believe men and women both have the right to choose whether or not they are parents.
And that means child support is over.
And they all got triggered.
And I genuinely didn't think that the liberals would get angry over this.
I thought they would agree and be like, yes.
No, they were like, men have no choice and no say in the matter.
Women get the choice.
That's it.
And the reason I bring that up is, for one, there's a lot of memes they fall for.
But the other thing is, I think you found a basic argument here.
When talking to your typical liberal pro-choice person that shows they'll argue against choice instantly if you say those words.
No more child support.
Instantly they're like, men have no choice.
unidentified
It's like, oh okay, I thought you were pro-choice.
seamus coughlin
No, I mean, they're not.
We've talked about it before.
It's literally just them being pro-abortion.
They don't care about choice when it comes to literally any other issue.
And I said this on the show yesterday, but there really aren't other issues that we discuss in that form.
So if I say a person should be able to choose to own a gun, you don't call me pro-choice, you call me pro-gun.
Okay, well if you're saying someone should be able to choose to have an abortion, you are pro-abortion.
Like, they're pro-abortion.
ian crossland
I don't know, because I'm pro-choice when it comes to religion, but I'm not pro-religion.
seamus coughlin
That is an interesting point.
That's an interesting point.
But I think if there were people who were like trying to ban a religion, we'd probably call them anti-religion.
And if you were on the side of the debate saying that religions should be legalized or normalized or something, they probably would call you pro-religion.
And that's a hypothetical, but I'm talking about like the actual political issues we deal with.
And there really aren't other ones that we have the discussion about where we just say like they're in favor of choice and don't discuss what they're talking about choosing.
Like even when it comes to educational vouchers, we call it school choice.
We don't just call them pro-choice.
tim pool
At what point can we refer to the, like, the left culture war grifters as anti-disestablishmentarian and anti-disestablishmentarian?
Almost got it.
seamus coughlin
I missed it.
As soon as we do, they'll redefine it, man.
tim pool
I mean, I think that word specifically referred to some, like, church thing.
will chamberlain
There's like a British movement to anti-disestablishment.
So it's like it must have had something to do with the Church of England.
tim pool
But I was just thinking, like, I was thinking, like, we're just we're anti-establishment people.
We like we oppose the establishment institutions.
And so these people oppose the people who are anti.
So it's anti-anti-disestablishment.
ian crossland
Yeah, they want they want to come together.
tim pool
They want to be anti-disestablishmentarians.
seamus coughlin
They would reject that.
They would say, like, well, actually, you're on the side of the establishment.
We're against the establishment.
That's why every fast food company in the country has the same opinions as me.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
That's why we work for Jeff Bezos's company.
Did you guys see that there was an op-ed in the Washington Post arguing for George Washington University to change its name?
seamus coughlin
I did see that.
tim pool
And, like, the Washington Post is right above it, and I'm just like... You know, we can all sit here and laugh about it, but it's kind of like...
You know, with the gas prices story and the oil and gas leases, we're on a big boat that's hit an iceberg.
And as it's sinking, there are a bunch of people claiming it's not really sinking and you're stupid, or that it's a good thing that it's sinking.
Meanwhile, the captain and his crew are looting the silverware and jumping into lifeboats, sending all of their valuables to another boat.
And we're sitting here yelling like, They're all but we're all trapped on this boat. They're
ian crossland
also finding some people on the boat. No here here Here's some silverware go tell everyone else that
everything's fine. So then the person's like thanks for the silverware
They go back onto the boat and they're like, hey guys I guess everything's fine
and then as by the time they come back the dudes gone with all the rest of the silverware like they're bribing people
to lie To us right now is the question
tim pool
That Kamala Harris when she asks a question like this, is she really dumb or is she conniving?
will chamberlain
Oh, she's conniving.
unidentified
She's dumb.
seamus coughlin
I think it's both.
ian crossland
Maybe both.
seamus coughlin
I think it's both.
So I think she's conniving.
I think she's intelligent in the way she connives in some respects.
But on this issue, I think she's actually probably just dumb.
I would not be surprised if she hasn't questioned this particular perspective.
ian crossland
Yeah, if you had said, responded in lockstep conscription, she would just have been nodded
in stunned silence.
tim pool
Can I just point out that there are a lot of laws prohibiting men from doing specific
things with their bodies in public?
lydia smith
Gross things, yes.
tim pool
Like, any laws that give the government power to make decisions about the male body?
Yes.
I don't, I don't, I don't.
ian crossland
We should get into it on the after show.
seamus coughlin
I don't think we want to say that with kids listening.
But it's a good thing.
It's a good thing.
Like I said, every single law governs your corporeal form.
They're not making laws about what you can do with your soul.
They're making laws about what you do with your body.
tim pool
So get this, get this.
They're not going to convict you.
When I responded to this meme by saying that I was pro-choice and that men should choose to be able to, you know, Like Dave Chappelle made that joke.
He's like, if you can choose to kill it, I can choose to at least abandon it.
And then everyone left.
And I kid you not, the responses I got were, the man made a choice, and he got a woman pregnant, and now it's his responsibility.
He can't just claim it.
And I was like, wait a minute.
will chamberlain
What they're saying is all women are raped.
Like, every act of sex is actually rape.
Because women never consent to sex.
tim pool
They're saying... But I mean, quite literally they're saying women get a choice and men don't.
For the exact same reasons.
But they were making pro-life arguments as to why men don't get a choice.
And I'm just like...
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Are they just anti-men?
I was like, if you make a pro-choice argument and I agree with you, but then you just all of a sudden give me the pro-life version of it.
He made a choice and he could have used birth control.
I kid you not.
They said condoms and birth control are readily available.
It's his fault.
He has to be responsible for it.
And I'm like, are you, are you, what?
seamus coughlin
We talked about this.
We talked about this yesterday.
At some point, even if they don't do so in the totality of the position, at some point, left-wingers come back around to a right-wing position.
They get so far to the left.
So, the other day I was joking that they'll say things like, well, if abortion's illegal, then men should be forced to take care of the children.
They're like, yes, every conservative agrees with that.
And on this point, when you talk about men in child support, all of a sudden, they're very big fans of personal responsibility and not having sex with someone you wouldn't have a child with.
tim pool
There was a bill in Florida to ban abortion for 15 weeks.
So a Democrat proposed an amendment that would require men to pay child support at 15 weeks.
And then I was just like... Awesome.
Yeah, I don't understand.
The pro-life people want marriage.
They want child support from conception.
They want familial support before conception.
seamus coughlin
Also, like, what kind of insane society do we live in where the political solution is, oh, like, let's legislate that someone should have to pay for his pregnant woman's unborn child.
Like, there used to be a social mechanism for that, right?
People would get married and have kids, and a man would be ashamed if he was not taking care of the child that he had created with a woman.
tim pool
It's cultural enforcement and cultural decay.
You have to legislate things that society doesn't do.
So if people aren't supporting their kids and you're like, okay, we, we got, we got, we have to tell them they have to.
Culture used to have, you know, as what, uh, Jordan Peterson called cultural... Enforced monogamy?
Enforced monogamy.
And then just like every other circumstance where the left has no idea what's going on, they assume what it means without asking questions or doing any basic research.
And then they're like, Jordan Peterson wants to force women to marry... Literally not what he's talking about.
seamus coughlin
No, actually I, I do.
unidentified
I think that would be, yeah, no, I mean, if I see you outside... You can hop over.
We're quick everybody. Let's go to Chicken City. Oh, maybe I just saw a buffered thing
ian crossland
I think they buffered 15 seconds when I click on a stream.
unidentified
Let me see if it keeps going Technical glitches
Unbelievable I wonder why this is happening.
lydia smith
It's Seamus' fault, probably.
seamus coughlin
It's probably because Will Chamberlain's here.
Because I've been on the show a lot of times, and it hasn't frozen, but he's here.
tim pool
Who was on last time this happened?
seamus coughlin
I don't remember.
I remember it did freeze on Ian.
unidentified
I was on Vanguard and Blackrock, and then everything froze.
ian crossland
Was it Pozo?
I don't remember.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think it was.
ian crossland
Can we take this opportunity to swear our brains?
unidentified
No, I'm just kidding.
lydia smith
We can keep talking.
ian crossland
Keep the show going.
We'll be uploading this to Rumble.
Rumble?
Yeah, we should upload this one to Rumble because it got pretty pretty junked.
lydia smith
Yeah, well, I'm going to upload the whole episode to all podcast platforms and I'll use the raw file to make clips for us.
ian crossland
How's family life, Will?
We're back did you hear my question?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, I wonder how much of that dropped off.
seamus coughlin
Yeah That's appeared.
tim pool
Oh, you know Seamus saying all like his bank personal information Dude I've never had a gaffe like that before so Everybody everybody that was YouTube not us.
Yeah, not us Yeah, our internet is completely fine.
And I believe chicken city never went down.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
So you could have been there.
tim pool
Oh We used the same internet feed for a couple different things and we had- so this was a YouTube thing.
We should have run out to Jade City.
ian crossland
There were other streams that were also- Yeah, I checked Zuby's livestream and that was also paused and it's still paused.
tim pool
Yeah, it's YouTube.
ian crossland
I don't know what's going on.
tim pool
YouTube's under attack!
ian crossland
You know what?
tim pool
I don't remember.
unidentified
We were talking about something generational warfare. You know what I don't remember. Let's all go home. We're
ian crossland
talking about abortion You will house family
tim pool
Well, let's talk about the formula shortage you got a story from the Daily Mail is what America looks America last
looks like GOP-wrapped fumes at pallets of baby formula being sent to border centers for illegal migrants while American babies go without amid nationwide shortage.
So she posted this picture she said she got from a border patrol agent.
The first photo is from the Ursula Processing Center at the U.S.
border.
Shelves packed with baby formula.
My favorite thing about it, you're gonna love this, is there are signs that say, I think it says like 84, let me, actually I don't know if you can see it.
What does it say?
It says, like, 84 times 26 equals 216.
seamus coughlin
2016.
tim pool
And people are like, it says 2016.
It's clearly a very old photograph.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
And it's like, dude, they're talking about the amount of baby formula they have.
will chamberlain
Everybody who says this is fake doesn't have a child or does not purchase formula.
tim pool
But are they really giving it to illegal immigrants instead of Americans?
will chamberlain
I'm sure they have, like, a backup supply, right?
Like, they've probably got their supply line set up.
Here's the thing to understand, right?
There's a lot of... It's not the hardest to find, like, the standard issue formula right now, right?
They're sort of like the very basic, like most companies that make formula
and have some sort of formula that is the default, similar to breast milk formula, right?
And that's still available in a lot of places.
And even if you can't find the brand you've been used to, you can find a version of that.
The problem is that some babies need these very niche specialty formulas
because they have very special nutritional needs.
They just don't tolerate the normal stuff.
And those babies are stuck, there might be like two companies
making that particular type of formula.
And they're scrambling and it's like, they can't eat anything else.
And I mean, there's people saying- Cow's milk.
Right, oh no, they can't.
They can't eat anything else.
This is what they eat.
tim pool
Goat's milk.
will chamberlain
Like they're scrambling to find it.
tim pool
Wait, horse milk.
will chamberlain
Horse milk, right.
You're onto something.
We tried it!
So this is a real thing.
On our end, we have to use formula.
That's not a choice.
We need to.
And we're lucky that our little Elizabeth tolerates the standard-issue, normal, close-to-presimal formula, so we've been able to switch.
But we've already switched once.
We switched away from Similac to this Amazon house brand.
Now we're going to have to switch away from the Amazon house brand because that's out of stock, so we're switching to something else.
And you're just wondering, what's the next thing that's going to go out of stock?
When is this going to end and they're going to get this plant?
They shut down the single most biggest production baby formula plant in the country over some health issues and they haven't reopened it.
And it's like, there's problems, like we've emptied shelves of formula.
tim pool
Well, I just found out that cow's milk has no vitamin C, but horse milk actually has lots of vitamin C. Well, thank you for the suggestion.
unidentified
Good suggestion, yeah.
tim pool
I've seen a lot of posts from, you know, we actually made the joke, just breastfeed.
And then I can't remember who we had on, but they were like, what did mothers do before Nestlé was incorporated?
But I understand not everybody can or does.
lydia smith
Wet nurses.
will chamberlain
Yeah, the answer is wet nurses, right?
Unless you would go down to the town forum and there would be women who could breastfeed and you would hand your child over to the woman whose job it was to literally breastfeed everybody's children.
tim pool
So women need to create breastfeed pods if they have a baby.
I don't know what else you're going to do.
If your baby's starving, you're going to do what you got to do, right?
lydia smith
We have the equivalent, some form of that, in the La Lette League, which is women who donate excess breast milk, which is such an amazing idea.
This is an international league where you can go to almost any community.
There's one in Frederick.
There's a bunch in this area.
And you need to hook up with that and see if there's women who are willing to donate because some of them have extra.
So I think that's probably the best source for people who are really struggling to find formula.
Pediatricians say not to make it, but I also know that pediatricians get a lot of kickbacks from these companies to recommend these formulas.
tim pool
You think a person can live off of nothing but human breast milk?
lydia smith
Uh, probably not an adult.
will chamberlain
Probably not an adult.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It doesn't... Bodybuilders buy it.
lydia smith
Yeah, but they're dumb.
will chamberlain
I don't know, it's... But yeah, I mean, there's people who are like... And then that doesn't necessarily solve it.
They're like, some babies who can't tolerate breast milk, they really do need very specific things.
tim pool
Well, I mean, but let's be real, Will.
You know, I don't think your child is deserving of it because there are oppressed, marginalized babies at the
unidentified
border.
will chamberlain
Right. There was somebody who tweeted...
seamus coughlin
Did you consider that?
will chamberlain
We tweeted out that I was like...
That your child doesn't deserve it?
Well, we tweeted out that I was well-stocked on formula, right?
Because like we... I've seen this coming. This has been in the news.
So, you know, we got like maybe two months of formula in the... just in the pantry.
And somebody, you know, tweeted at me.
It's like, what about other people's babies?
You're being selfish.
Like, do you think your child is more important than other people's children?
I was like, yes.
seamus coughlin
I do care more about my child.
will chamberlain
Yes.
Other people's children are other people's job.
My child is my job.
tim pool
I just love that question.
Do you think your kids are more important?
will chamberlain
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
Of course.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
No, I mean, look, it's a serious problem.
We can talk about all the other inflationary pressures people are facing, but a shortage of formula for the families who really need it.
I mean, that is devastating.
will chamberlain
I mean, it's like the only food.
Like imagine going to the grocery store and there's nothing there.
That's the equivalent for these children who can eat one thing and that's their entire diet.
tim pool
Now hold on.
seamus coughlin
That's an unbelievable scandal.
tim pool
We got these photos, right?
Here's a photo from a store of the empty baby formula section.
Explain to those who don't understand.
It looks like there is formula.
Can't parents just buy these formulas?
will chamberlain
So, first off, it means you have to switch, right?
Like, no matter what.
So, like, there's only one brand that actually has canisters, right?
It looks like Enfamil, which is on the top row.
Then you have, like, that means, so if your kid is used to and tolerates some other formula, like Similac, which is the other major brand, or, like, the house brands, like, You don't really like switching formula
because your baby tolerates and it works.
You want to stick with the same one.
But that, so basically it means like it doesn't matter if you've been using Similac or any other brand,
guess what, the only thing available today is Enfamil.
And moreover, not all the Enfamil's up there.
So if your baby tolerates a very specific like kind of type of formula,
say one that's like lactose free for sensitive or you know, there's Alimentum, there's a wide variety.
Well, that might not be there.
So guess what, the formula your baby tolerates isn't at the store, so you need to go to another store.
You need to drive.
And moreover, it's like, you know, there's not that much on the shelf right there, right?
Like, you know, the Similac thing, that little, the bottle, that's like nothing
because the powder is actually where you actually can feed your kid in bulk, right?
Like, most, the way most people end up making formula is you have, you get the powder in bulk, you add water, and you mix it, and so, like, one canister of powder will last you, like, a week, right?
That little, like, thing, the bottle on the middle shelf, right?
That'll last you, uh...
Eight, you know, 12 hours, right?
That's like 12 hours of food.
tim pool
We got to make wet nurses great again.
will chamberlain
Right?
Like apparently.
So that's, that, that's a serious, that's a problem, right?
Like it's not that, you know, most babies will probably be able to tolerate one of the formulas that's on the top shelf, but that's not good.
And it really needs to not get worse.
unidentified
Right?
will chamberlain
And then for some babies, that's a huge problem.
tim pool
I'm wondering, like, how often do societies go through this period where there's, like, this fall off, you know what I mean?
A strife.
I suppose we can make references to Strassau generational theory or the fourth turning or whatever.
But I'm wondering, you know, all of a sudden we had this luxury that is formula.
We used to need wet nurses.
That was the normal human thing.
We invented formula.
We invented a process by which we could feed babies.
And now all of a sudden it's a shock to our system that we don't have it.
If we were still doing traditional wet nurse stuff, nobody would care about this.
So it seems like the developments and everything we've had, being ripped away, gas prices through the roof, you can't drive anymore, it's hard to work, it's hard to buy a house, food shortages, diesel shortages, baby formula shortages, cat food shortages.
It's like we reached this plateau of luxury and now we're being dropped off.
And I'm wondering, does that happen often?
ian crossland
It seems like it's part of the system of growth, because I was thinking last night, what if I just disposed of my feces in the woods?
I'd be like, well, it wouldn't be a problem as a one-off.
Like, I could do it one time, but it's not sustainable.
And as the city grows, people, not everyone can just go dump their waste in the woods.
tim pool
And I think the same thing... Yo, they used to throw it out their windows.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland
When you have a few enough people, it's fine.
Just send it over there, over the hill over there, and you don't have to think about it.
But, you know, once society grows to a point you can't, like, wet nurses, maybe you could argue the wet nurses no longer made sense.
I think in this society they could.
tim pool
Mandatory milking.
will chamberlain
I'll tell you this right now.
tim pool
I'm willing to bet women who are overproducing are making a good penny.
lydia smith
Oh, I'm sure they are.
tim pool
Because you've already had women who sell their breast milk to bodybuilders.
And I guess the idea is they're like human breast milk is formulated perfectly for humans.
So bodybuilders buy it and they're like, you know, they want it.
But you also have mothers who buy it when they can't produce because they prefer breast milk over formula.
I think the demand is obviously through the roof.
So, you know, we joke about wet nurses, but it's probably in full swing right now.
It is happening.
will chamberlain
Could well be.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Well, isn't it interesting that this new development, and don't get me wrong, I love science.
I think that scientific advances are amazing.
And part of the reason we require formula is because we're able to deliver and sustain babies as young as 21 weeks.
But it is very interesting that this scientific development is pushing us away from other people.
It is keeping us from relying on somebody like a wet nurse.
And of course, you don't want to be tied to another person, but it's dissolving the community.
tim pool
That's the answer.
Tied to the other person.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
No more removal of umbilical cords until... That's right.
lydia smith
I agree.
ian crossland
Absolutely.
tim pool
And you don't gotta worry about formula.
lydia smith
The baby's just... Placenta baby.
tim pool
The mom eats the cheeseburger and the baby grows.
lydia smith
Yes.
will chamberlain
I can speak, like, formula is a wonderful invention.
There's a lot of people who rely on it for a reason, you know, like, in terms of, you know, reliably.
I mean, because, like, you know, Breastfeeding's not for everybody, right?
It can be a real, real struggle for people.
For us, we absolutely needed to switch to formula.
It wasn't really an option by the time we made that decision.
tim pool
For sure.
I ask, what does that mean for our civilization if planes, for instance, all of a sudden the cost of flying is getting really, really difficult.
It's going up for a lot of people.
Yeah, it's like a Jenga tower.
when these inventions, these standards that, you know, we'd call them lug trees a hundred
years ago, they become standards.
What happens when we lose those?
Are we in for a long fall?
ian crossland
What are you talking about?
Electricity, maybe the central electric grid.
We're so used to that.
If that goes out, yeah, it's like a Jenga tower.
If you take out the wrong block at the wrong time.
lydia smith
Well, you're seeing the blocks of diesel because with diesel going up, diesel is how we get
all of the products that go on our store shelves.
You pull out one pin, and I don't think that people understand this because we've lived such fluffy, protected lives for so long now.
And I remember there was a point in time where you could watch anything on your computer, you could order anything through DoorDash, and you could go to the store and get everything.
And I remember thinking, this is amazing.
We're incredibly lucky.
It's all about to fall down.
And I don't remember why I thought that, but pretty soon after that, we ended up
with COVID. We started to have supply chain disruption.
And I'm starting to think that was the peak.
I don't know if it's all downhill for us or not, but it's not looking good.
I think it's only going to get worse.
ian crossland
Tim, you asked earlier about our society and how if it frequently happens like
this kind of this kind of cycle or this kind of thing.
And it's like, yeah, we can think of America as a society, but realistically,
the globe is a society.
The entire species is a society, and starvation and famine is prevalent.
In the 1900s, you not only have the Hold'em War, which is human-caused, you've got the Cultural Revolution in China, which I don't know how many millions of people died from starvation because of that.
Right today we'll talk about over there where we're bombing in Yemen.
I think that the Americans are involved in the Saudis bombing Yemen and causing famine.
So like famine, it's almost always there and if you're on the wrong end of the stick Hopefully you know how to fast.
tim pool
Let's talk about this.
While we're dealing with these formula shortages, and Will was able to accurately articulate the problem that parents are facing with this shortage, let's talk about Additional Ukraine Supplemental Appropriations Act.
$40 billion going to a war in Eastern Europe to aid a country that is not a NATO ally, not an EU member state, but for some reason, we should say, one of the largest war packages in history.
You know what really freaks me out?
Is this right here.
I mean, isn't this a little effing odd?
That's what I said.
Every single Democrat.
Yay.
Not a single?
No, not a single one of them.
Republicans, it's like two to one.
lydia smith
It's almost like they're gonna get kickbacks from this.
seamus coughlin
Or they just hate the people they claim to represent.
They have no concern for protecting their own countrymen.
They don't have any desire to ensure that the people back home have any kind of relief.
will chamberlain
It's all about ensuring that other people get- Imagine being like an anti-war Democrat voter.
Like someone who still believes what Democrats believed, I don't know, a decade ago on the war.
You know, it just... I'd be depressed if I were them.
Like, I think Glenn Greenwald did a point.
I mean, the whole squad voted for all this crap.
tim pool
The entirety of the squad.
Look at this, look at this.
Okay, so here it is.
I guarantee people who are listening can name those who voted no.
Right?
ian crossland
I'm gonna guess Thomas Massey.
tim pool
Thomas Massey is right here as a nay.
You've got Marjorie Taylor Greene, of course.
Where's she at?
She's in here somewhere.
Lauren Boebert, of course, right there saying no.
Cawthorne saying no.
Uh, let's see, who else?
Jim Jordan says no.
There's David Cawthorn.
Madison Cawthorn?
Where's he at?
will chamberlain
I guess David Cawthorn would be Madison Cawthorn because it is the same district, not an NC-11.
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
Is that his middle name or something?
lydia smith
Oh yeah, first name maybe, I don't know.
tim pool
Well, how about that?
Clay Higgins, John Rose, Ronnie Jackson, Pete Sessions.
ian crossland
Yeah, just as an aside, Madison Cawthorn, his name is David Madison Cawthorn.
That's disingenuous that they put him up there as David and he goes by Madison.
That's really messed up.
lydia smith
It's weird.
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
Marjorie Greene, of course, she's right there.
Now, I just loved this when I saw Glenn Greenwald tweet about it.
He's like, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez supporting one of the largest war packages ever.
It's like, there she is!
seamus coughlin
Well, and look, every single time, every single time the government fails to meet the needs of the American people in some significant way, the response from the left is, if we didn't have such an astronomical defense budget, we could afford to take care of people right now.
In the midst of all these problems, they go, you know what, let's just send $40 billion
over to Ukraine to get involved in foreign affairs.
tim pool
Here's what I love, though.
We have this clip from Bill Maher that's been going viral.
Student loan forgiveness is a loser issue for the party that wants to win back the working
class.
And Bill makes a couple good points.
He's like, 13% of Americans have student loan debt.
That's not a lot of people.
50% of that debt is held by graduate degrees.
And he was like, come on.
He's like, these are people who are like, I don't know what else to do.
I'm going to keep going to school because someone else is paying for it.
Bill Maher saying that, and then they all basically agree.
And so for me, this was actually a convincing argument.
I've often said that I think we should forgive the interest rates.
If you borrowed it, you got to pay it back.
But the interest rates I can understand are insane.
After watching this Bill Maher segment, I'm like, nope, nevermind.
I'm done.
Nah, sorry.
It's on you.
13% and half of its graduate degrees?
This is what the Democrats are focused on.
The highest income earners who want a freebie.
That's what it is.
Sorry, I'm done with this argument.
will chamberlain
They're just giving something to their voters.
Their voters are the professional class.
13% of people, they're gonna win over.
tim pool
It's great, no point.
will chamberlain
To tolerate loan forgiveness if we classify the debt as odious and then go at the universities to get the payment back, right?
I'm willing to use that because there are people who were genuinely exploited by these universities and they got degrees that are worthless and maybe don't need to be completely immiserated forever.
I'm cool with that.
In the foreign policy context, whenever we forgive somebody else's debt, what we're saying is that's odious debt.
It should never have been issued.
It was wrong to issue it.
And we need to go back and get, essentially, like, you know, go back and get a reimbursement.
I forget the exact word.
ian crossland
What's a historical example of an odious debt?
will chamberlain
A debt we would give to, like, an African country under a dictator that we'd later forgive, you know, because the new government took power.
ian crossland
What do you think about usury, which is basically collecting interest on loans?
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, the general concept of collecting interest on loans is, I mean, I think one, inevitable, and two, good, because otherwise there's never any loans, right?
And money, there's a time value of money.
ian crossland
It used to be the way that there was no interest.
And then it was called usury, and it was punishable by death if someone did that.
And then all of a sudden, at some point in the banking industry, 1700s with Amshell Rothschild or something, they just started Maybe way or that you know loans are very very old right
will chamberlain
like you're talking you know if you're talking loans I don't even know how old the dead dead is I mean actually
you know people think barter is like the original Transaction that's wrong dead is yeah favors favors right
tim pool
like that's the basis for all right insurance used to be if my house burns down
I'll owe you one and so then if your house burns down I'll like if my house burns down and you help me in any way
I am indebted to you And it's the expectation the expectation that I would then
go and help you in the event of something similar or repay the favor usually
ian crossland
to clarify as unethical practice of originating alone with an
unreasonably high interest rate I guess that's a social conversation.
tim pool
My concern is you've got Democrats who are in lockstep voting for war.
And I think the reason they do it is they know their voters don't care about it.
I don't think AOC ever was anti-war at all.
I think she assumed her base cared about it.
Now that the media narrative is, yay Ukraine!
They're like, okay good, now we can vote for war.
That's it.
So when I hear about this debt forgiveness stuff, I'm like, Y'all want $40 billion for war in Ukraine?
You got it.
The rest of your debt, sorry, no dice.
You got your war, you got your funding, you sent the money that would have paid off your debts to Raytheon, I hope you're happy.
Congratulations, that's who you voted for.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, I mean, certainly there should be no talk of debt, of student debt forgiveness now, right?
Like, from the, and allowing Republicans, like, the idea that they'd allow any of this to go through from Democrats, that they wouldn't, Um, inflict massive punitary measures, right?
Like, I've heard Biden's thing about doing it unilaterally.
If that were done, then the next time Republicans take power, they should just simply end the student loan program, right?
Like, we don't- Absolutely.
There's no Jubilees.
It's like, protect- And you're protecting your voters from the Biden and the professional class just basically looting them, right?
Like, because, you know, the Trump- the Republican voters, like, that's not the professional class.
And so basically, like, The whole student loan debt forgiveness is screw over Republican voters to benefit Democrat voters.
We should never tolerate that.
seamus coughlin
Absolutely not.
This sort of goes back to a conversation we've had a number of times on this show about the moral foundations and the fact that the two moral foundations that people on the left have are care and fairness.
And those two values by themselves, not tempered by other values, literally don't mean anything, right?
So if you're talking about something like loyalty, we can sort of put somewhat objective metrics on that, right?
I would actually say very objective metrics.
With care and fairness, the way it's articulated by the left, Especially care that can literally just mean it can literally mean anything like we have to care about other people we have to help other people and you don't have to give a robust argument for why what you're doing actually will help and How it won't be of too much negative consequence to the people who the help is coming at the expense of right and they certainly don't and that produces not only examples like So many senators on the left or I'm sorry so many political leaders on the left who have argued against or sending money to Ukraine
It's also a huge part of the reason why we had a 4.2 trillion dollar bailout and added an insane percentage of currency to the money supply over the course of two years and have runaway inflation as a result because no one considers the negative long-term effects of any given policy prescription because all they have to say is, see, look at me, I care!
Look at me, I'm doing the thing that's fair for people!
tim pool
What do you think would happen if red areas stopped trading with blue areas?
Hmm like I don't mean state I mean areas rural, Illinois was just like we're no longer gonna be doing business with the city Well, if rural Maryland decided to stop sending stuff to Baltimore, I don't know what happened.
lydia smith
It'd be a mess wouldn't be good I mean This is where a lot of this stuff comes from we create a lot of farms around here a lot of cows a lot of grain a I wonder what value rural folk get from city folk.
tim pool
And obviously there's like technological advancements, there's insurance companies, there's media and stuff.
But we're getting so divided at this point.
And so many people are content with, I mean, we're facing decentralization of the economy, cultural development.
A lot of these jobs can be done outside of cities.
What is the benefit for any conservative to do business inside of a city or with cities when they can distribute via the internet or through shipping or whatever?
ian crossland
Personally, I haven't been to a city in like a long time.
Many, many months.
Many, many, many months.
will chamberlain
You end up needing certain professional class services, right?
And you think about legal services, you end up needing medical services.
tim pool
But we got lawyers out here.
will chamberlain
Yeah, we do.
I mean, you do.
But like, it can get... I don't know.
It depends.
Like, there's a reason that like these city, you know, metropolises open up.
And I mean, you think about a place like Chicago.
What is Chicago built around?
Well, it's the hub of the entire Midwest.
tim pool
But I mean, I understand why back in the day centralization was important.
So you run a big farm.
You set up your headquarters in Chicago because you can walk 10 feet and there's the headquarters of another company that you need to trade with.
Well now we're doing everything online.
ian crossland
Well, yeah, I was just thinking I did spend time in Nashville a very centralized active music scene
And it's kind of like why do we use Twitter when it's we know it's crap because it's centralized and that's where
everyone's at same With Nashville I go there because that's where they live
seamus coughlin
so there's this idea that wealth disappears within three generations when it's inherited and I almost wonder if
We're asking the same question about many of these large cities in the sense that have they?
given the world something tremendous in order to start themselves and become centers of wealth and
And are they now more or less squandering that wealth by doing jobs which are more or less useless and unnecessary because of their position within society?
Because that's often how wealth leaves a family, right?
The people are insulated from the realities of what not being productive results in, so they like stop being productive and eventually lose all their money.
will chamberlain
That's the story of Detroit, right?
Like, that's actually a very... I mean, we don't... It's hard for us to understand, but Detroit used to be, like, the up-and-coming economic center of the country, the third biggest, you know, city, you know, and, like, one of the... I mean, Detroit shrunk massively, but when, you know, in the heyday of the car industry, pre-Silicon Valley, like, Detroit was the place to go if you were a young person.
You know, the economic engine of the country, the Silicon Valley of its time, and now it's not.
I think there's a natural life cycle to these things.
You have some wildly profitable, powerful, innovative industry in your economic area.
It allows the government to get away with all sorts of shenanigans and still have the place function pretty well.
But if that industry declines, things fall apart really quick.
ian crossland
I was looking at Rogan's Instagram, Joe Rogan, and he reposted this thing from Tim Oliphant, an artist who's an incredible artist, incredible artist, of Elon, Joe, and of Chip flying the ship that they're in, the Tesla ship, spaceship.
But it made me very sad because what Tim was saying is that I've drawn since I was a kid, graduated from college with an art degree.
A few years later, I found myself pursuing in a miserable home improvement job, mostly painting houses.
But Joe inspired him to quit his home improvement job and become a full-time artist.
And I was like, uh, this is where our society has done to people.
People don't want to do home improvement work.
They don't want to be plumbers.
They want to be artists.
tim pool
And this is a big problem.
A functional job that has great benefit to society, that is tangible.
And people are like, but I don't want to service my community.
I want to draw pictures.
Now, I certainly respect art.
I make art.
We make music.
But I think the issue is not... It may be unfair to target the one guy who's actually a really good artist.
seamus coughlin
You know what?
Drawing pictures isn't so bad.
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It can be a useful way for a person to spend their time.
ian crossland
He went on to clarify that he didn't like working for a corporation and being part of the cog in the machine thing.
I get that.
Yeah.
tim pool
I was going to say, I find it remarkable that we're in this, we've developed to a point where Complaining on the internet is more valuable than building a house or fixing someone's plumbing.
No, not necessarily.
It absolutely is.
seamus coughlin
Because you can't have the same number of people doing it.
Like, a small minority of people are able to become very successful doing something like this.
But if it was equally as valuable, like, we would have just as many people in both trades making money.
But, like, most people who try to make money complaining on the internet totally fail.
Whereas, I think, if you go to trade school, you are pretty likely to make an income.
tim pool
It's a fair point.
It's a fair point.
I just think, you know, Ian, you made a good point.
People should feel good about doing trades.
And I just think when we're kids, or at least when I was, the millennial generation, we're told to be the greatest of all time.
We're told to be rock stars and race car drivers and astronauts.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we have denigrated work so much.
There was this idea, and almost everyone was told this growing up, not me personally, but so many people I know had their parents tell them things like, you know, if you don't study hard and get that degree, you're going to end up in manual labor, or as a sanitary worker, or something like that.
For some people, that's what they want to do, and thank goodness, because that's an extremely valuable contribution.
ian crossland
Yeah, I should be very clear about Oliphant.
I've never talked to Tim Oliphant before, and he specified that he got offered his boss's job at the home improvement, and he didn't want to climb the ladder.
And I understand being part of a corporation, and I get it, but what made me sad was just the lack of desire, or just the sociological lack of desire to fix houses and more that people want to paint pictures.
will chamberlain
That's my personal experience, right?
I was a big law.
You might say, well, that's a really prestigious professional job, and I just looked around and realized some of the cases I was working on, okay, this might not be literally working with my hands or something, but I am a cog in a litigation machine.
I am representing a trust created out of a bankruptcy of a company that is suing 64 of these small issuers out of some mortgage-backed securities, and we're Constructing these briefs in order to extract whatever we can out of these small little issuers to the benefit of this bankruptcy trust which you can literally go and buy shares in and the only thing, you know, the only thing that this trust owns is the rights to the proceeds of the litigation.
tim pool
You'll always work for someone.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
There's no difference between being the employee of a company and running your company.
Now obviously there are certain differences.
What I mean to say is I have to negotiate with people I work with all day, every day.
We've got a bunch of people that are involved in how this company works, from the infrastructure end of things, to the ad sales end of things, and there are disagreements, and there are deal terminations.
Now, if you have a simple agreement with another person, I'll do this work for you in exchange for this rate, that's the exact same thing we do, that I do every day as someone who owns the company.
I think people need to get out of the mindset of, I'm a cog in a machine working for someone.
seamus coughlin
No.
tim pool
You provide a service.
You negotiate with company.
If company is not providing you what you need, you leave and negotiate with someone else.
When I worked for Vice, people were shocked that I quit when I quit.
And they were like, why would you leave?
Vice is the best.
Oh, they're the greatest.
And I was like, Vice works for me and I'll work for them.
When they stopped providing me with what I needed, I fired them.
That's the mentality I had.
I went in there, I said, guys, I want this, this, and this.
You got it?
Okay.
I'm gonna do my thing.
I will do my thing here.
You like that?
Okay, great.
You gotta give me these things for it.
I didn't just go in and say, I need a paycheck.
I said, I want these three things delivered to me in exchange for what you're gonna get.
ian crossland
And I worked for them as an employee, and then once they stopped delivering or didn't provide, I just said, I think of it as, as an employee, you're working for the corporation, so is the owner of the corporation.
You're both working for the betterment of the corporation, and the owner primarily is working for the people that are buying his goods and services, or her goods and services.
The problem is when employees don't have incentive to, they don't gain more if the company gains more, and the owner gains more.
So, that I understand.
Feeling like a cog because you're not getting an incentive reward.
will chamberlain
Some work is just more intellectually stimulating than other work, and interesting intrinsically.
Like, I don't know.
I can see how a guy would want to be an artist and would get more value and excitement out of doing art and seeing it spread around the world than they would out of... I think it's a mix of cultural and human nature.
tim pool
Humans want social acceptance.
We want other people to praise us and say we're doing good things.
It works really well on a small tribal scale.
When you are in a village of 50 people and you do something, you come back with a huge boar and everyone's clapping and cheering because they're happy because they're going to eat and you did this great thing.
It feels really good.
It's how grooming works online and in these schools.
They keep trying to shower you with love and make you feel good because humans crave social acceptance because we are social creatures.
So what ends up happening is, over time, you will get more praise for writing a good song than you will, you know, saving someone from a burning building.
Depending on the scale of the burning building, I suppose, like, if you're a guy who's, like, in a plane and you crash into the Hudson River or whatever, you'll be a hero and they'll put you in magazines.
ian crossland
Sully!
tim pool
But how many firefighters are, you know, walking the red carpet?
How many police officers?
I just watched this crazy viral video of a cop walks right up to arrest a guy, and the guy just unloads on him.
And then, like, it's brutal footage and stuff.
How often do we have... No!
Cops are demonized to an insane degree!
Like, I certainly have my complaints about authoritarianism and what the police department can mean in terms of certain circumstances, but we demonize the people who are working the day-to-day jobs to make the system run to save lives.
You'll get some 20-year-old who will spend 15 minutes writing a song, and I literally mean 15 minutes, They'll be like, okay, we got the beat, we got the hook, we
got the chorus, send it over to a company who then says we're going to layer it, get it done.
And then they're like, put it on TV for us. And all of a sudden everyone's screaming and crying and clapping and
cheering.
You are the greatest!
Why would someone strive to be a firefighter?
There was a poll.
They asked young people what they wanted to be when they grew up. And you know what they all said in America?
will chamberlain
Influencers.
tim pool
And you know what they all said in China?
ian crossland
Astronauts.
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Yep.
tim pool
So we have a cultural problem where our culture praises influencer because it's simple.
Virality is a machine in which we get people addicted and it feels good to get those numbers, to see that number going up, to see those views.
YouTubers have long talked about how when their viewership goes down, they get depressed.
I can always tell you, whenever you see these YouTuber burnouts, where they're like, I just can't keep doing this anymore, look at their view count.
It almost always is preceded by their viewers, like the last five videos they made were lower than normal, and then all of a sudden they have a breakdown.
Because it feels like you're losing and everybody hates you, and it's being ripped apart, ripped away from you.
Meanwhile in China, they're like, I really want to be an astronaut.
We need to bring that back.
seamus coughlin
Well, and we, in some ways, we become more like the things that we love, and our culture has lost sight of what's really important, unfortunately.
ian crossland
Well, maybe, and now some kudos to Tim Oliphant.
Not only are you one of the best artists I've ever seen, Tim, you're inspiring people to become astronauts, man.
This art will do that.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, I mean, look, art has utility.
And this is coming from a guy who makes cartoons, which is, you know, by no means high art.
And I'm very blessed.
I'm very fortunate to be able to do what I do.
Everyone who's on my crew who helps me is absolutely fantastic and unbelievably talented.
But One of the biggest compliments that I receive from people is from folks who are just working regular nine to fives, you know, important jobs, construction workers, plumbers, et cetera, who will say things like, Hey man, your cartoons brighten my day.
I think that's awesome.
And I think art can serve that purpose.
But very oftentimes what people want to do is make it completely about themselves.
So it's not about, I want to entertain an audience.
It's about like, I want to get the praise.
I want to be the cool person.
I want to be worshipped, basically.
And I think that temptation sets in with anyone anytime they're in front of any kind of audience.
But what people have to keep sight of is you're producing for other people.
And that's true in any industry.
It doesn't matter what you do.
And so part of the reason I think our culture doesn't take pride in its work is because we view it as something which should just be about ourselves.
And whether you become a literal rock star musician, Or whether you're building houses, if you view what you're doing as just being about you and not for other people, you're gonna be miserable.
tim pool
Well, I'll simplify it.
Or I'll put my view very simply for people.
I think most of the time, if you are driven to become famous and successful, and you think, I've had people say this to me, when I was working for Vice and traveling around, they'd say, I really wish I could do what you did.
I'd love to travel around the world covering these stories.
I know they're not serious.
I know what they're really saying is, I want people watching me on the internet.
I want millions of views.
I want the praise.
Because it's really easy to buy a plane ticket to Europe and walk around with a cell phone.
In fact, you know, when I went to Spain and covered a lot of the protests, well, I already owned the cell phone, so that didn't cost me anything.
The plane ticket was a couple hundred bucks.
I crashed, you know, at a hostel for like 70 bucks, you know, it was like 70 bucks for a couple days.
And then I walked around filming stuff.
You can just do it if you want to do it.
So, you know, how do we get started on a show like this?
Well, I wanted to do it.
When we started doing this show, we were getting, you know, like a thousand people watching.
And I wasn't every day going like, come on, get those numbers up, get those... I was just like, I like talking about these things.
ian crossland
Something changed in the dynamic of artistry when people gained the ability to control their own distribution channels because Radio basically in television you gained rich artists that never really existed in the past You'd have people that were basically page you'd have they'd have a patron like Leonardo da Vinci or whoever they might have some money But it was usually like a very wealthy landowner Paying them money to work and then they would be their patron.
And then now all of a sudden we've got rock star, TV star.
Those didn't exist until a hundred years ago.
And it's messing with people.
They think that it's a rich scheme.
Be an actor to get rich, be a musician to get rich.
It's not about, it was never about the money.
People would play music for dinner at night at a tavern and hope that they got a place to stay.
And that was the original, you know.
tim pool
I mean, there were orchestras.
There were great works.
But it really was like the wealthy being like, we like these things we want.
ian crossland
But there were famous musicians.
Residuals is a new idea.
You would get paid for the night that you played and that was it.
And then they developed recording.
And now it's another realm.
tim pool
But there were famous musicians for a long time.
ian crossland
Yeah, they would be famous, but they wouldn't always be rich.
That was the weird thing, until they could sell copies of their work.
tim pool
Right.
Once we had copyable media, all of a sudden albums could be sold and the song could be performed everywhere all at once and everyone would buy it up.
Now we have streaming and everyone's losing money.
ian crossland
Yeah, and piracy.
You see the age of, I don't like, it's not actual pirating, har har har, but it's like, you know, money, art distribution, copying and distributing it illegally or unethically.
And it's like, it's almost like we're coming full circle, like we've passed through the age of the rich artist, and now we're going back to like, just be an artist if you want to be an artist.
And do it in addition to your other things that you do.
You don't have to only just be an artist all the time.
will chamberlain
And you can, we're actually going back to sort of old school patronage, right?
Like, except decentralized.
You know, you don't own, I mean, you don't necessarily say that you own the rights to anything, but people will be like members to your show, and right, have to, you know, patronize you that way.
I think it's... I mean, and I think that's probably a good thing.
I mean, you know, it's not as good for artists in general.
They can't, you know, control their medium well enough to sell it effectively, like as a track.
ian crossland
It's extremely good because the patron can't dictate what the artist does now.
There's so many little patrons that the artist still has autonomy.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
ian crossland
This shows an example of that.
tim pool
I do think we might see a shift into an... We're seeing the attention economy expand, right?
So we had the manufacturing economy.
People talked about will a service economy work where people are just providing services.
We got it.
We got a manufacturer stuff now We're in the attention economy where people make a living by just getting your attention Now that's scary because people then make crazy content and crazy videos to try and get your attention to make money off of it So we're in the influence space.
I think we're going to move into a creator economy.
So influence, I think, can only go so far once everyone has a certain degree of influence.
And then I think what we're seeing with this art, what we're seeing with YouTube and TikTok is a creator based economy where instead of manufacturing things, you're going to make art.
You're going to make entertainment.
You're going to make ideas or something.
ian crossland
I think computer code is an example of that.
It's a type of art that translates into a functional object.
seamus coughlin
I just wanted to piggyback on what Tim's saying here and ask a question.
You sort of mentioned us shifting into a creator economy, but I wonder if our economy is going to... I mean, how long is it going to take for it to recover to the point where that continues to really be pragmatic?
Because if we really start to struggle for resources, I don't know how we'd be able to support that.
ian crossland
I mean, you could look far ahead into, like, 3D printing food and 3D printing oil and water, like, um... 3D printing oil?
Yeah, if you have enough, uh, electricity, you could convert plastic into oil.
Um, if you have enough carbon, if you have the materials... I mean, that's... You're talking about fusion.
Molecular printing and, yeah, atomic printing and stuff.
They've... They've worked on molecular printing for medicine thus far.
But I imagine we'll head towards atomic printing.
But, I mean, that's... That just comes down to the energy source.
Are they gonna let us use fusion, or are they gonna keep acting like it doesn't exist?
I don't know.
will chamberlain
I guess I'm more optimistic now that I think about it.
My investments match that, right?
I'm betting on the general strength of the American economy.
That's how I invest it.
That's how I'm betting.
tim pool
I'm not saying a creator-based economy is going to be a bad thing.
And so what I mean by that is it will be very similar to an influence economy, but it'll be people making art and then just selling it, and you're not going to need Amazon.
You don't need to go to stores anymore.
Nobody needs to work at McDonald's.
We've got kiosks.
All of those jobs are going away, so the service jobs are being automated.
People are going to have to find other things that people want to exchange for.
And I think it's going to be, someone was going to write a song, they're going to make a piece of art, they're going to create things, and then that's going to be how they sell it, or they post it, or NFT, or something like that.
And there will be a way in which people can acquire resources in a new kind of economy in the future.
ian crossland
Art is the new currency, or one of the new currencies.
It's like the old seashells they used to find and give to their wives 10,000, 100,000 years ago, you know?
And these are the new seashells, these art pieces.
seamus coughlin
Well, let me make everything a little bit more pessimistic for you, Will.
tim pool
Not only are diesel prices at a new record high, but they're actually predicting diesel shortages.
So...
I'd like to imagine that we're headed towards a future where we have this, you know, one step closer towards utopia.
Poverty is being eliminated.
But if there's no diesel, nothing's being sent to your house.
Your local grocery store is going to have no meat, and you better start figuring out what you would do in a circumstance like this.
will chamberlain
So what is the reason behind the diesel shortage?
I'm actually curious.
That's the thesis of the article, but I want to know why.
tim pool
I think it's, they say, to drop in production.
will chamberlain
Drop in production.
tim pool
Increased demand and a drop in production.
They're saying a shortage may be next.
And I think Joe Biden said, we don't got enough truckers, man.
You know, it's like someone already super chatted us and we'll read in a bit.
They said that the cost of fuel is greater than what they make.
So they quit.
ian crossland
Oh, boy.
will chamberlain
Right.
Well, OK.
Scarcity of important commodity.
I guess that's not good.
But I mean, I'm still you know, there's still a good reason to be generally optimistic about the U.S.
economy in terms of like finding alternatives.
I mean, the higher price one thing gets, the more people figure out a way to use different resources or come up with a technological innovation.
So you're not shorting it, is what you're telling us?
No, I'm not going to.
Shorting the American economy has been a loser's bet for a hundred years, right?
If you're talking about what has been a bad idea, shorting the American economy has been a historically bad idea.
tim pool
Betting on the American economy is the best thing you can do, because in the event the American economy collapses and you live inside of it, who cares?
will chamberlain
You're in trouble.
I'm all in.
This is kind of like the classic answer to people who are buying gold.
It's like, well, why are you buying gold?
It's like, well, the economy is going to collapse.
I'm like, you want to buy bullets and spam.
If you're trying to hedge against that, you're not hedging with the right instrument.
tim pool
I always found this funny when people, you know, Alex Jones would always talk about buying gold and stuff, and then I was like, what am I going to do with gold in an apocalypse?
Am I going to be walking down the street and some guy's going to have like a sandwich and I'll be like, I'll give you gold for it, and he'll be like, I don't want to carry that, it's heavy.
ian crossland
You can make batteries with it.
seamus coughlin
Can you make a grill?
tim pool
Sure, sure, you're going to make a battery.
There's going to be a guy and he's going to have a wild boar and you're going to say, I have a raw piece of gold you can make a battery with.
He's going to go, that's a good point.
I will give you, no.
ian crossland
It's the Baghdad battery I was talking about.
tim pool
Have you ever seen this?
If you were walking down the street in the apocalypse and a guy on the left has a bottle of water and the guy on the right has food, or I should, I believe you better.
If you're walking down the street and there's a guy with a, you know, a big sandwich and you have gold and the guy next to you has a bottle of water, who do you think's getting a piece of that sandwich?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, once basic needs are met, it comes down to the metals, like copper.
Copper because you make bronze with it to make weapons, stabby weapons, so that you can take the food.
tim pool
The person with the water bottle is going to walk up to the guy with the sandwich and say, I'll give you some water for some of your sandwich, and he'll be like, deal.
And you'll walk up, I got gold, and he'll be like, I can't eat that.
ian crossland
And the other guy's gonna be like, I got this knife!
And you're like, ahhh!
So that's where the medal was for.
will chamberlain
It was weapons, basically.
And generally, I think, you know, you don't need to hedge that much against general apocalypse.
One, it's extraordinarily unlikely.
And two, you know, the idea that you would find the correct hedge is low.
tim pool
Well, no, no, no, it is.
Hedging for the apocalypse is moving out to the middle of nowhere, getting chickens, getting some emergency food.
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's what you guys are doing, actually.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you know what?
You're not invited now.
After all this.
will chamberlain
What?
ian crossland
We already let him in, dude.
He's like a vampire.
tim pool
No, you know what, Seamus?
seamus coughlin
You're not invited.
That's absolutely ridiculous.
No, I'll build my own convent.
ian crossland
That's fine.
tim pool
You think we need a cart, too?
seamus coughlin
We're gonna start ship guests, bro.
I'm gonna run Shimkin City.
tim pool
We don't ship guests.
seamus coughlin
I'm going to have my own setup.
You're going to be begging to come in.
tim pool
We don't need a cartoonist.
We need a lawyer.
seamus coughlin
You're saying that now.
tim pool
I mean, to be honest, though, like a lawyer would probably handle negotiations between other tribes better than, like, it'd be a pretty good job.
will chamberlain
Like figuring out new dispute resolution mechanisms that aren't war.
seamus coughlin
They won't be interested, man.
I think what's going to happen is you'll go around to other people's compounds and be like, actually, we have copywritten that method of collecting food.
You owe us 10%.
tim pool
It would actually be a funny bit where it's like, we choose the lawyer over the animator in the apocalypse, and then the lawyer is like, I've negotiated this really great treaty that will benefit all of us, and they're like, kill him!
And then the animator walks up and is like, I drew a picture of you and your mom together, and he's like, Mommy!
ian crossland
What we're missing is the synergy, because if Will brings up the boring law, Seamus can animate it and make it fun for people to understand.
will chamberlain
There you go.
tim pool
Insult their intelligence at the same time.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
ian crossland
I got some good news.
I looked up how to make your own biodiesel.
I don't think it's that complicated.
will chamberlain
There is actually one good financial bet.
Bet on the American economy.
Do you think Europe's better than us?
They're not.
They have worse rule of law.
They're way more socialist.
Do you think China's going to be a smarter bet?
Possibly, but China's not nearly as innovative as we are as a general matter.
tim pool
Yeah, but they are willing to enslave people.
will chamberlain
Right.
But then that's also like an independent problem in terms of stability.
tim pool
It's a good reason not to invest in China.
will chamberlain
It's an independent problem on an ethical, both on a practical and an ethical level, right?
Ethically, that's wrong.
But practically also, that's a recipe for instability.
seamus coughlin
What's their EKG score?
What is that?
tim pool
ESG.
unidentified
ESG.
seamus coughlin
What's China's ESG score?
will chamberlain
Rule of law is worse in China.
tim pool
No, China's going to have a 97 or something.
will chamberlain
America's still the best place in the world to do business.
It still has the most innovation, still has the most development.
tim pool
Maybe red states.
will chamberlain
It's like, you know, the problems we're dealing with are almost like we just, we're worried that government is going to, you know, outrate, essentially be so bad that it overwhelms the benefits that innovation and our general economy will bring.
And they're making it closer than we want, but I would still, I'd still bet on the economy.
tim pool
I'll tell you this, New Jersey, these blue states are really destroying themselves.
Yeah.
No, for real.
So when we were headquartered in New Jersey, I was reading about opportunity expansion, and they said they had a millennial brain drain.
Millennials, as soon as... I shouldn't even say millennial.
It's young people in general.
As soon as they become adults, they get out.
There is zero opportunity, and the reason for it is they're anti-business.
New Jersey is very, very anti-business.
Period.
So when I was looking at expanding in New York, I'm like, look, you know, there's an opportunity here.
You got New York up here.
You got Philly here.
You got, you know, Pennsylvania right across the street.
And then I was like, wow, those are the laws and those are the taxes.
Let's leave.
ian crossland
Did you ever investigate why you think that is?
tim pool
It's because I think people on the left vote based on their feelings and not based on what makes sense.
And so they end up saying things like, hey, we need more tax money to pay for schools.
Because more schools and more money in schools means kids will be better off.
So we need to raise the taxes to get more tax money.
And then what ends up happening when you raise taxes is tax revenue goes down.
And businesses flee.
And then all of a sudden you end up with poverty and corruption and broken cities.
And they're like, we don't understand.
We taxed the rich.
And it's like, and the rich left.
What do you think's going to happen?
will chamberlain
I mean, I think competition between jurisdictions is different now, right?
If you think about who is New Jersey competing with?
Well, they're competing with the state of New York and the state of Pennsylvania, basically.
And those states are not really super business friendly either, in their own right, so they probably didn't think like, oh, you know, we can just be a little better than those two states and not lose business across the rivers.
tim pool
New Jersey should be one of the best states for business and wealthiest states in the country.
ian crossland
It's in a perfect position for it.
tim pool
Because it's got, you've got New York right there, you've got Pennsylvania right there.
Right?
So you have a real opportunity for the people of Philly and South Jersey to be like, we sell our product in Philly, but we manufacture and run our business in Jersey because they're better for us.
You've got a real opportunity for the same thing they said in New York.
We operate out of North Jersey, and then we do business in New York because the customers are there, but the laws are better in New Jersey.
They did the opposite.
It's the opposite of New Jersey.
The laws are worse.
So nobody wants to be there at all.
ian crossland
Do you think they collude, the governments, like the New York governments, like don't make your state too much more likeable, too much better than ours?
will chamberlain
Oh sure they do.
Yeah, those state governments work with each other, right?
Like, especially if they're the same party, like they don't really want to be screwing each other over that much.
And, you know, they worked, especially think about things like COVID regulations.
Like, they were all working together.
All those, like, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey were, like, working together to have a uniform regulation so they weren't losing people.
And honestly, that's one of the reasons that it was more robust there than it was in, like, the DMV, right?
The District of Columbia tried to impose some, like, really restrictive mandates.
And, like, but they weren't in place in Virginia.
And they weren't in place in Maryland.
So quickly, D.C.
found out how to get rid of them because otherwise they would just, their restaurants were empty.
tim pool
I wonder why Maryland?
You know, Maryland is a really great place.
You've got Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and D.C., and Delaware.
All of these different states, you could be like, come, bring your business here.
Instead, they're like, get out.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Maryland's really weird.
It is.
It's a very strange case.
ian crossland
It's gotta be Delaware.
Delaware must have everybody on their boot on everyone's throat.
It's the state where there's no corporate income tax, Delaware.
tim pool
And every company is headquartered in Delaware, like a P.O.
box.
It's like one old lady has 17,000.
will chamberlain
It's Delaware corporate law, man.
They got way out ahead of it.
They decided to make themselves very favorable to business.
That's exactly what they did.
They were nearby.
They were on the Acela.
tim pool
Delaware is barely a state.
will chamberlain
It's basically they make their money off of their corporate law.
That's their industry, in effect.
That's what they produce.
They produce good, reliable, predictable corporate law and a favorable environment to be incorporated.
tim pool
I just want to ask people, did any of you actually ever look at Delaware?
lydia smith
It's not real!
tim pool
Yeah, it's not a real place.
They don't even have access to half of the peninsula they're on.
It's like they don't even have access to more than...
They don't even have access to half of the peninsula they're on.
lydia smith
It's like 12 acres.
tim pool
It's like, we're a peninsula, but only like a small part of it.
ian crossland
What is the other part of that peninsula?
What state is it?
tim pool
It's Delmarva.
will chamberlain
Yeah, so both Maryland and Virginia have a chunk of that peninsula.
So Maryland is most of it, right?
But then that bottom little tail is Virginia.
tim pool
They call it the Delmarva Peninsula.
And so Delaware has this chunk.
That's it.
That's all they have.
They couldn't even get the peninsula they're on.
There's like one city.
seamus coughlin
You don't go easy on them, Tim.
tim pool
Good crab, though.
ian crossland
A lot of crab.
tim pool
Yeah, great seafood.
ian crossland
It's just seafront property.
Just a rich corporate person's dream, I guess.
will chamberlain
Depends on where you go.
Rehoboth is very college party town.
tim pool
Wilmington's pretty cool.
Really great seafood.
I'm pretty sure they're just funded by giving good, favorable laws to corporations.
And everybody's always like, what is it, Delaware and Nevada or something?
will chamberlain
Some states are finally starting to try and compete for incorporation rules.
It's gotten to the point where even if other states have a little bit better of a financial deal for incorporating in their state, because Delaware corporate law is so well developed, that's where bigger companies want to be incorporated because that's where they can get sued and that's where they have the big intra-business disputes.
And so everybody's just comfortable.
There's so many more decisions.
Their law is just better developed, and so that's where corporations are.
ian crossland
Do you know when it began that they started making it all about the corporation in Delaware?
will chamberlain
I don't remember exactly when it began, but I know it's... Actually, I don't know when that began, but I'm sure there's books written on it.
It is really sort of an interesting thing that a state like Delaware, which otherwise would not have some big thriving business industry, just really figured out and decided, This is what American capitalism needs.
A state that really focuses on giving corporations what they want in terms of both, like, a friendly place to incorporate and predictable law.
And the people who run, I mean, the lawyers they get who end up being on, like, the Delaware Supreme Court are, like, top-tier business attorneys.
Like, they're super, super serious about it.
Um, and, and very, very, you know, other places you might get clowns and like
family members and whatever you, the Delaware Supreme court is notorious
for having like brilliant judges.
tim pool
Everybody's moving to Texas.
And I'm just like, that's such a bad idea.
ian crossland
How come?
tim pool
So when, when big moderate types, maybe the anti-woke liberal type moves from
California or Arizona or New York to Texas, they bring industry, which is
mostly full of these progressive left-lib cultists who then come down to work there.
So the obvious thing is like Joe Rogan, for instance.
He's a lefty dude.
But we all like him.
He has pro-free speech, and he's pushed back, and he's done really great in fighting against a lot of the exes of the wokeness and the left.
But when he moves to Texas, he brings industry with him and large sums of money, which they're gonna hire more Hollywood producers and L.A.
types, and they're gonna all flock along with him.
Elon Musk is an even better example.
All of the Tesla employees from California, he's going to have to either rehire or relocate
a ton of those California progressives into Texas.
So when I see all that happening, and Austin's already particularly woke, and everyone's
like, Austin's the place to be.
I'm like, I got to admit, Austin's really cool, but I would not set up business there.
You're basically saying, I'm going to set up my business there.
I'm going to move there.
I'm going to invest in this city.
And in five years, there's a good chance I will just be surrounded by a bunch of woke people who have voted for this stuff because they all followed.
I look at West Virginia and I'm like, West Virginia is the second most Trump supporting state in the country.
It is it is MAGA country and nobody wants to be there.
There's a great so I'll go there and it'll stay MAGA country and then I will hire people who share the values that we have liberty personal responsibility and will create opportunity and bring wealth to those who already agree.
The thing about West Virginia for me was it's like here's this big open place.
That's right.
It's got good laws.
It's got constitutional carry.
It's got good building codes.
It's got good business laws.
It's got great incentives for new businesses.
And nobody's going to follow.
So that means when we start hiring people, when we start contracting, that's people of West Virginia who share values of personal responsibility who are going to be receiving that wealth, not some woke person who moved to Austin to take that job.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
That's that's the opportunity here go to Florida Florida's great, but I'm like We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna set up and expand the economy in a place where people aren't flocking to it And it already has the values.
ian crossland
I like yeah, there's like a fake I get the the image of when I think of West Virginia I think like walking through hills, which is like hurts.
It's exhausting and then I picture dude in a red hat with a gun and I'm like well That's what I think about.
I know it's not, but that's like the liberal brainwashing.
People just have this idea.
Man, I took a walk the other day.
I'm close to West Virginia right now.
And I went up on a hill.
Dude, when you look around from the top of a hill, when you're out in the middle of the,
in the most beautiful areas in the world, I would imagine it's just so stunning.
And the air is so clean.
tim pool
And then the bear comes up.
ian crossland
And it heals you.
And be sure you have bear spray, I guess.
But it was on a road, so I didn't feel too.
will chamberlain
Just even the drive up here was just gorgeous today.
Driving through rural Virginia.
tim pool
Then the bear goes up to Ian and says, it is time to prove yourself as a man.
ian crossland
Punch it in the face and put my fingers down its throat.
Choke it.
tim pool
Heavy metal plays.
ian crossland
I thought about bears.
What do you do when a bear comes these days?
Cause that's like, what if the real threat is wild animals and I guess humans are also animals, but like, you just don't let them take your picnic basket.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's right.
You have to stand firm.
ian crossland
You gotta be, not leave food out.
It's like another lifestyle.
seamus coughlin
If you run, they won't respect you.
tim pool
Thinking about bears and stuff, like Yogi Bear was kind of a crazy show.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, he was still on picnic baskets with Boo Boo.
tim pool
But that's all he was doing.
He was like a nuisance, and in the reality, if you chased after a bear because he stole your picnic basket, he'd probably just maul you or something.
unidentified
He'd murder you, yeah.
seamus coughlin
I'd let the picnic basket go at that point.
tim pool
Depends on the bear.
I guess, what do they say?
For grizzlies, you gotta curl up and cover your neck, but for black bears, you gotta fight.
seamus coughlin
Well, you also have to understand that Yogi is smarter than the average bear.
And so I would assume that means he has like some understanding of maybe firearms, the fact that humans can shoot him.
But either way, it's preventing him from getting violent with people.
We haven't seen it.
ian crossland
Yogi?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we haven't seen Yogi in any of the cartoons.
Can you imagine?
Because a bear can really just destroy somebody.
ian crossland
Dude, I've never seen one in person.
seamus coughlin
If Yogi wanted to, Ranger Rick would like be obliviated.
It would just...
ian crossland
I saw Grizzly Man.
I highly recommend people look into that.
tim pool
You ever see Old Bear Armor?
ian crossland
Yeah, look at this!
It's like a Russian... Nightmare stuff.
Is this Russian or something?
unidentified
It's crazy.
lydia smith
Probably.
tim pool
I can't imagine that they really wore something like that.
ian crossland
Yeah, man.
When you got no choice.
Yeah, there's a thing called the short-nosed bear.
unidentified
It's extinct now.
seamus coughlin
I feel like you would still get destroyed if a bear smacked you.
Like, it would hurt the bear, right?
But they're strong.
One of those things smacks you.
tim pool
Pretty sure a grizzly can hit a car door and smack it clean off the car.
And like, you need really large caliber rounds to even hurt a bear.
Geez. Yeah, like there was a there was a grizzly they found I can't remember where I was reading
the story and they finally killed it and it was riddled with like 45 nine millimeter just because
from people shooting at it and the bullets just like going in and doing nothing the grizzly is
ian crossland
like you cannot harm me.
unidentified
Feeble human weapons!
ian crossland
It's terrifying.
will chamberlain
Why does the bear sound like Sean Connery?
tim pool
I don't know, because bears are masculine.
ian crossland
Well, I will take bears over a bunch of hungry people.
Honestly.
At this point in my life.
I'd rather not face a bear.
So I'm not gonna say that, what I was gonna say, which is I'd rather face a bear then.
I'd rather not face a bear.
That's life.
tim pool
There was a story recently of a dude who just fought a bear.
He fought a bear off with his bear hands.
Something happened, I can't remember, and there was like a bear came and he had to fight it for his family and then he won.
seamus coughlin
Dude's built different.
tim pool
Bears are crazy, man.
ian crossland
Yeah, check out Grizzly Man.
And have you guys seen Grizzly Man?
seamus coughlin
No.
ian crossland
It's a documentary.
This guy went into the woods.
He was obsessed with bears.
And they thought, well, I think there's something wrong with this guy.
But he went with his girlfriend and lived with the bears, you know?
And then they said, OK, you can live with bears, I guess.
Don't do it, but I guess.
But not when they're hungry.
Not when they're getting just out of hibernation.
But he was like, no, they're my friends.
tim pool
And they ate him.
ian crossland
It's a Werner Herzog movie, dude.
And you get the audio of him screaming.
unidentified
Why would he think that?
ian crossland
I don't know.
It's like he had a death wish.
You hear his girlfriend screaming, fight back, fight back on the audio and it's like he was just, I don't know, there's no video of it.
The lens cap was on when it got recorded.
tim pool
And then what happened to his wife?
ian crossland
She was then killed by the bear as well.
tim pool
She didn't run?
ian crossland
No, I don't know.
But I mean, I guess they were out in the middle of the woods.
There's really nowhere to run to.
I don't, to be honest, I don't know.
Maybe they had both that death wish.
It's a weird thing to be doing, hanging out with bears when they're hungry.
tim pool
I'm just imagining these two hippies being like, yo, like the bears are my friends, man.
unidentified
That's what it was.
tim pool
The bear's just mauling the guy like, yo, why are you mauling Joey?
unidentified
What are you doing?
He's like, whoa, stop!
tim pool
No, why are you biting me now?
Oh, I'm being eaten by a bear.
ian crossland
Rather, I'd try to be too insensitive because I think he has family and stuff, but like he is screaming like, stop, ow, ow, stop.
You can hear it.
It's so weird.
As he's being torn open.
It's horrific.
tim pool
The bear is just like, for lunch.
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Matthew Reckamp says, Tim, if you haven't watched 2,000 Mules yet, then what about a watch-along in the members-only section, Two Birds, One Stone?
That's a really good idea.
No, for real.
I'll reach out to Dinesh.
Maybe he would want to come, and we could do a thing where we do, like, what was it?
Mystery Science Theater 3000?
Yeah.
Where they're like, they're watching it at the same time.
Making fun of So we could do something.
I would totally be down to do that.
Make a members only thing of like our initial reaction to watching it all.
And then we could do that thing where we have everybody sitting around and then like the screen changes showing like TimCast and then we have the thing playing in the middle.
Maybe Dinesh would be down for that.
will chamberlain
That's an interesting idea.
tim pool
Because then you get our initial reaction to it right away.
ian crossland
Awesome.
tim pool
That'd be really cool.
At the very least, I'll ask for his permission, because I know a lot of people are pirating it, but if he was cool with us doing something like that.
ian crossland
Yeah, good promotion.
tim pool
I don't know though, because it's like a members only thing for us to make, like we make money off of it, but it's like his movie, so maybe we could pay him something.
ian crossland
Or we could put it up for free on the website, just be one of those.
tim pool
Well, I don't know if he wants us to give away his movie for free.
ian crossland
Well, we'll talk to him about it.
It's good publicity.
seamus coughlin
To be fair though, our commentary will ruin the movie.
It will not be as enjoyable to watch as watching a film by its own.
tim pool
Well, maybe we can work something out with him.
Maybe it wouldn't necessarily be a website thing.
Maybe it's a special thing that we cross do it.
Because I don't want to take money away from his project that he spent money producing.
Or make money off of his work.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's not fair.
tim pool
But it is a good idea to do a commentary, like watch along.
lydia smith
That'd be great.
tim pool
Rude says, have you guys considered making gaming PCs or consoles to compete with Microsoft and the like?
That is a very odd question.
ian crossland
I've never thought about entering the microprocessing development.
will chamberlain
That sounds like a very difficult and technical feel industry to just decide to enter.
tim pool
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, I have thought about it.
will chamberlain
And there's a lot of competitors already in there.
I don't know.
I mean, it seems like the smarter thing, if you were even thinking about it, would be to license the TimCast brand to an existing company.
tim pool
Why don't we get some Raspberry Pis and then run the new game on it?
seamus coughlin
And just duct tape a bunch of Raspberry Pis together and be like, no, that's really fast.
tim pool
The game we're making can be preloaded onto a small device that people just plug in their TV and have the game.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
That'd be kind of cool.
tim pool
We could do that.
will chamberlain
Cross promote with like Alienware or whatever.
The TimCast Alienware.
ian crossland
Yeah, I've been thinking about doing that for the software we're developing with the charity, is get a Raspberry Pi pre-loaded with that.
If it was pre-loaded with a game, too, that might be kind of interesting.
Although, maybe it's overkill.
tim pool
Alright, JYes says, Ian's head is full of graphene, literally.
Okay, well, look.
Are you sure?
We did integrate Ian's brain with graphene so that the neurons could connect and it would transmit electricity much, much better.
ian crossland
But I don't remember that part.
Yeah.
lydia smith
He forgot.
ian crossland
But I guess it's true.
tim pool
He got drunk and forgot!
ian crossland
I've had graphene on the brain.
We were talking about building computers just now, and I'm like, no, but we could build microprocessors with graphene conductors, and I just didn't want to, you know, drag you through it.
tim pool
Daniel Trinka says, Tim, consider a bookstore on your website where guests can list their books.
Maybe a 1% listing fee to you or something.
Good for them, good for you.
lydia smith
Good idea.
tim pool
That is also a strange idea, but... It's good.
I mean, yeah.
lydia smith
I like it.
tim pool
It's kind of weird because we just finished the song, Bright Eyes.
It's completely done, and we're working on the music video.
And we're trying to figure out how do we brand music.
And then I just, I was thinking like, we're doing a bunch of crazy stuff this year in terms of production, short film, documentaries, music videos, music production.
And then I was just like, is there any other company that does all of this stuff?
Like that does too much, you know?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's too much.
Too much is a problem.
Different brands for different things is important.
tim pool
I just mean like, how come nobody does this?
You know, like where's Joe Rogan's rap album?
ian crossland
That'd be awesome.
lydia smith
He'd be great.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
We got to make it, I guess.
tim pool
You know, we're like, what about a video game?
Like, I just, you know, Joe is the easy example because he's he's so wealthy and in the cultural space.
I just wonder, I shouldn't single him out.
There are a lot of ultra wealthy people I know who make way more money than I do.
And I just like, why don't they do anything with it?
I always ask that.
Like Seamus, for instance.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I make an insane amount of money.
YouTube cartoons, dude, those pay the bills.
If you want to get insanely wealthy, draw a couple pictures, put them online.
tim pool
But for real, like, any one of these ultra-wealthy people, you know, why aren't they doing more stuff?
ian crossland
The honest answer is because they don't have the brain for it.
It's not personal.
Most people don't have the cognitive ability or desire to make themselves that busy with that many different thought processes.
will chamberlain
Because it requires glucose to change your mind.
Also, once you have that kind of money, you don't need to do anything.
lydia smith
Well, and it's like Tim talks about.
If you're good at one thing, it doesn't mean you're good at a lot of different things.
Like, I feel like Tim did a lot of different talents.
will chamberlain
And they're also worried about social respectability, so they don't want to do things that are like... ESGs, baby.
tim pool
Maybe this is why I'm accused of being on Adderall.
I get all these lefties like, Tim must be on Adderall.
It's like, no, I don't even drink, I don't do any of that stuff.
But, you know, I don't know.
We got music coming out, we got a video game coming out, we've got so much stuff that we're trying to just crank out and expand upon.
But you know what I mean to say is, it's like weird and eclectic.
Like obviously some people start companies and they make those companies the best and the biggest and the possible thing they could be, but this is a weird company.
Like, we have, our flagship product is a culture political podcast, and then we make video games and music.
Whatever.
Alright, I'm cool with it.
seamus coughlin
If they broke, don't fix it.
tim pool
We're gonna make a video game console in a bookstore next.
ian crossland
That's a good idea.
tim pool
The bookstore actually is a good idea.
If we made a marketplace and people... It's like a non-Silicon Valley marketplace.
Why not?
Mike Lindell, make an Amazon.
Let people list their products and sell them through a portal.
So that people don't have to use Amazon.
ian crossland
Alright.
tim pool
Sharon Sweet says, health insurance companies are looking to cover abortion travel expenses for employees.
How do you as a business owner feel about having to pay extra for health coverage to cover this?
So here's the thing that people don't realize.
In some states, and I might be federal, maybe you know this, you can't actually offer benefits until you reach a certain size.
So we were like, you know, we here at Timcast are communists.
So we're going to, you know, do great benefits.
And then we're like, oh, you can't do that.
will chamberlain
I mean, you have to join up with a PEO.
I mean, I was able to do it with just two or three employees, but there's particular services you have to use to get access to it.
ian crossland
What's a PEO?
will chamberlain
I forget.
I don't know what exactly the acronym is, but the company's called Trinet, and the way it works is it's like they do this for startups, right?
Basically, it's like if you're a startup with only a few employees, but you want to offer competitive benefit packages, then it's like You effectively are all part of this massive company for the purposes of benefits, and they handle your payroll and your benefits.
ian crossland
PEO is Professional Employer Organization.
So that's a company that handles other companies, just gives them a legal recourse to do bigger company stuff.
tim pool
So let's read some more.
It's an interesting question.
So, my understanding of this is that Satan exists in... I mean, he's spiritual, right?
He doesn't have a corporeal form.
forgiven by the sacrifice of Jesus. I'm curious does that mean you believe Satan
seamus coughlin
could be forgiven for his sins? It's an interesting question. So my
understanding of this is that Satan exists in, I mean he's spiritual right? He
doesn't have a corporeal form and so just by the very nature of how angels
exist, the decision they made is permanent so he's fixed in that decision.
Like by his nature he will not be sorry for what his decision was ever. All right
ian crossland
I can see how that's like, Satan is a function, and that different people's spirit can become part of that function at different times, but that function will remain.
All right.
tim pool
Bino says, federal oil regulator worked in Alaska from 14 to 18 in Cook Inlet.
As of 18, there was little interest in those leases.
Cook Inlet wasn't viewed as lucrative by industry, plus state regulators were overbearing.
Interesting.
will chamberlain
I'm not surprised.
I really don't.
I think it's weird.
Normally, when it comes to Biden screwing up oil and gas leases, you think, OK, that's just the Biden administration being dumb and environmentalist.
But I honestly think that right now, this is probably the one time that if they're actually deciding to cancel an oil and gas lease, there's probably a decent reason for it.
Because they really, really want the oil price to come down.
They really do.
tim pool
All right, Samuel Eddie says, Tim's time travel misadventures.
Tim goes to the future and sees that it's really cool, so he brings Ian with him for the next trip, but it becomes a dystopia.
Involves an older version of Tim who sounds like Alex Jones.
Do you understand the implications of what you just said?
When a person travels from their time to the future, the future they're in has no influence from them because they removed themselves from the timeline to jump forward.
So if I go to the future and everything's really cool, it means that In fact, without me, the future ended up being really cool.
If I then go back and take Ian to the future and to Dystopia, that would literally mean Ian made the future cool.
Because without his influence in the timeline, the future's a dystopia.
ian crossland
I like this movie.
Let's definitely do that, man.
tim pool
We did a phone call because we're preparing the music video for the new song we did, and some of the best producers are going to be legit.
I was talking to Robbie Starbuck, who's one of the best of the best, because he used to do music videos.
And I'm just like, we need to get on the short film train, because I really, really want to do a short film about the legend of Gellert's grave.
ian crossland
You've told me about this one before.
tim pool
Yeah, we've talked about it before.
Do you guys know the story?
ian crossland
Do you have an elevator pitch for it?
tim pool
Short version is, old dude from Wales, back in like the 1100s or whatever, goes out to do his daily deeds and leaves his son and his dog back at the cabin.
When he returns from his daily deeds, he sees his house has been ransacked, everything's flipped over, and he sees his son's crib is flipped over and covered in blood.
Then he sees his dog, Gellert, walk over, wagging his tail with blood all over his mouth.
And so, you know, believing his dog just killed his son, he draws his sword and thrusts it straight into the side of his dog, Gellert, killing it instantly.
And with Gellert's dying welt being let out, all of a sudden he hears a baby crying, and he rushes over to the crib that was flipped over.
He flips it, and there's his son, perfectly safe, lying next to a wolf who had been killed by his faithful hound.
And they say from that day, Prince Llewelyn never smiled again.
One of the most brutal stories.
He killed a dog who saved his son's life because he didn't even think about it.
So I was like, I would love to make a short film about that.
It's only a couple minutes long.
And it would just be like the most brutal short film ever.
seamus coughlin
You just gave away the ending though, man.
But it's an old legend.
tim pool
If we titled it The Legend of Gellert's Grave, people would know exactly what was going to happen.
ian crossland
Gellert's Grave 2.
Gellert's back.
tim pool
Gellert Pet Cemetery!
seamus coughlin
Do your own twist on it.
tim pool
Yeah, Gellert Part 2.
He accidentally buried Gellert at Pet Cemetery and got returns for revenge.
ian crossland
With an army of other dog ghosts.
tim pool
You betrayed me!
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
All right, where were we?
Rylo says, does Will still support compulsory COVID vaccination?
Correct me if he never did.
What is his stance on abortion?
Dumb or evil goes as follows if you get repeatedly punched in the face, it doesn't matter why, your duty is to fight.
will chamberlain
Okay, no I don't think I was ever for compulsory vaccination.
Um, I was generally, broadly, like, pro-vaccine in the sense that, like, I thought they were a good thing, and it seems like the evidence was that they worked, but I don't think I was pro-mandate.
I think I was very consistent on that.
Um, so I'd like to find somebody, if you can find a tweet saying different, go for it, but I'm pretty sure I was pro-vaccine anti-mandate from, like, the get-go.
All right.
ian crossland
What about your thoughts on abortion?
will chamberlain
As for abortion, I think, like, um, anti-Roe versus Wade, I guess I'm probably, like, I would consider myself fairly moderate.
Like, probably first trimester is okay.
After that I would ban it.
tim pool
I think viability, anything beyond viability, is psychotic.
Like, the baby can live, but you've decided for some reason to not let it.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, I have the same vote.
I kind of, like, I'm not personally religious, so I just kind of, like, see, you know, I think, I see it as essentially a balance of, like, interests.
Like, it is a profound, there's a profound liberty interest at stake, like, the right, and I think that that interest tilts more and more towards the child as, like, and away from the woman as pregnancy goes on, and so I think The thing Seamus gets wrong.
seamus coughlin
No, there's nothing.
I'm correct. I'm sorry.
The thing you guys get wrong.
tim pool
No, the thing Seamus gets wrong is you you can't be absolutely
pro-life because you're ignoring our blood quota to Moloch.
will chamberlain
No, but like that's you know, people are if people are asking like, you
know, there's a reason like I'm anti-Berger's is weighed in.
And also I don't have like, you know, I don't expect my view to take
hold in conservatism.
Right. Like just because like this is what I personally think does not
mean I'd I think that I think the left's barbaric and I'd
much rather be right.
tim pool
They tried just passing a bill that would have given abortion up to nine months.
And what they do is this manipulation where they say, for the health of the mother, it's like if that was the case, you would say, and every measure must be taken to protect the life of the child as well.
Like, if a pregnancy must be ended at nine months to save the mother, you're just basically having a delivery of the baby.
Right.
But they're like, no, you can abort it.
Like, well, that's just killing the baby at nine months.
will chamberlain
It's barbaric.
Like, second trimester abortions, late second trimester abortions, they're barbaric.
And they should be illegal.
Like, that's just, and that's not even getting into the question now.
Like, I think it gets, you know, what the arguments I don't like, and I've talked about this before, are sort of the, like, the simple syllogisms of, like, abortion is murder, therefore murder is a life.
Because I actually think, like, there's, there's sort of an intrinsic problem of you know, if you really are going to make the argument that
abortion is murder, then you must punish.
To me, it's like to be con- that- to go- if you're going to insist on that logical consistency,
then you have to insist on the logical consistency of the punishment, which means women are
accessories and need to be punished pretty severely. Yeah.
Like, which I- which I don't think is okay, and so I kind of get to the point that- Yeah, I think- I
seamus coughlin
think- but you- I mean- So if someone kills a pregnant woman, they are charged with double homicide.
That's true, not everywhere.
But the question is, if someone else killing a child is going to face a legal consequence, why would someone killing their own child not face a legal consequence?
tim pool
I think the anti-abortion crowd typically Shows there is a distinction between an abortion and the killing of a baby.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
If there was a story about big buildings where they literally brought babies in and just killed them, you'd have people surrounding it, smashing the windows, and you'd be going... So, there's something... There's a difference in the moral quality of the act, right?
will chamberlain
Versus, like, an abortion versus walking up to someone and shooting them in the street.
And that's why I don't like the syllogism argument, because I think that the pro-life lobby intrinsically does know that there's a difference because they don't argue for punishment in the same way.
tim pool
I want to make sure we can argue as many as possible.
seamus coughlin
Maybe in the after show.
will chamberlain
I actually have to leave, I'm sorry.
My baby, who we had, has been screaming for too long.
seamus coughlin
I'll make a funny argument when you're gone.
unidentified
How do you make up for that?
seamus coughlin
How do you what?
tim pool
Joseph Wilkinson says, Tim, your theory on fathers aborting their financial duty doesn't
go far enough.
If a woman aborts the child against the father's will, she should be forced to compensate the
father in some way.
lydia smith
How do you make up for that?
How do you what?
unidentified
How do you make up for the abortion of a child that the father didn't want to be aborted?
tim pool
What's the fair market value of a human baby?
unidentified
$50,000.
tim pool
She got paid $25,000.
No, I'm kidding.
Alright.
Butter Warrior says, make mommy milkers great again.
Okay.
Bill Hughes says, before Similac, mothers made their own baby formula.
ian crossland
Now we're talking.
tim pool
It was like milk, wasn't it?
will chamberlain
Right.
seamus coughlin
It was a crazy hack.
tim pool
Like cow milk.
lydia smith
It was usually evaporated milk or dried milk, and a lot of times babies didn't get all the nutrients they needed.
They would literally just take powdered milk and Karo syrup.
tim pool
Frosting.
lydia smith
There you go.
Perfect.
tim pool
You can put frosting in one of those cake things and the baby can just eat that.
seamus coughlin
What about mashed peas?
tim pool
Babies need sugar, right?
lydia smith
What about what?
ian crossland
Mashed peas?
Do they eat mashed peas?
That was my favorite food as a kid.
lydia smith
Honey.
Yeah, honey.
Perfect.
Don't give your baby honey, please.
Yeah, babies can't eat solid food until they're like one year old.
You can't feed them a lot of stuff.
That's why formula is so important.
tim pool
Avocados.
ian crossland
I do agree with your point earlier, Lydia, that that formula obsession with formula is like a pharmacological thing.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's kind of what it looks like to me.
tim pool
A nice, medium-rare ribeye.
unidentified
Yes!
ian crossland
Your boy's gonna be big and strong.
lydia smith
He'll love it.
tim pool
At what age can a baby have a nice, medium-rare steak?
lydia smith
Three.
tim pool
Three?
lydia smith
Three years old, probably.
tim pool
Those poor children.
lydia smith
I know, it's tough.
tim pool
Oh, man.
All right.
What is it?
Joseph says, what's your take on the stock market, Will?
Curious.
will chamberlain
My take on the stock market?
I mean, I think a lot of the sort of big growth stocks that had price to earnings ratios that went wild
are taking a beating.
Like Tesla's taking a beating, for example.
They're still at a 99 price to earnings ratio.
tim pool
Wasn't AMC and GameStop went up or something?
will chamberlain
Yeah, all the sort of meme-y stuff and all the growth, cool, it stocks are taking a beating.
A lot of the normal companies aren't taking as much of a beating.
I'm pretty sure, I was looking at SPLV, which is like my index of the boring Coke
and McDonald's or whatever, and they're down a little, but they're all doing fine.
I think, you know, we probably are in for some sort of recession because we got a lot of inflation out there, and to stop that you need interest rates to go up, and so that'll create some havoc.
But that doesn't mean that, like, long-term... I think it's not... the long-term collapse of the American economy is not going to happen, right?
Like, as a result of this short recession.
ian crossland
Yeah, I noticed the Terra Luna cryptocurrency.
I don't know if you guys have been following this, but it was worth like $80 a couple weeks ago.
It's worth six ten thousandths of a cent now.
It crashed 99.99999% in like two days.
9.99999% for like two days.
seamus coughlin
Buy the dip, bro.
ian crossland
So, all at once, it was one, I almost bought it when it was at one cent.
I would have lost like a thousand percent of my money.
It's one crypto that happened.
So like you're saying, a total market collapse doesn't look like it's going to happen.
They're going to be crashing specific types of currencies and buying back.
will chamberlain
Speculative assets are the ones that are going to suffer, right?
Either crypto or equity, right?
That's what struggles in a recession.
tim pool
I, you know, my thing is I, I, I don't have crypto because I'm like, I'm going to make a lot of money off this.
unidentified
Woo.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I go for the utility personally.
We talked a little bit about it before the show.
tim pool
I, I, I bought crypto as a digital asset, you know, and the value can fluctuate dramatically, but it is, it is, it's a digital store of value.
I'm not looking for it to reach 10,000% and make a million dollars overnight.
I bought in Bitcoin a long, long time ago and there.
You know, it jumped up to $60,000 and I went, wow, well, I'm not going to sell because that's
not why I bought it. And then it falls down to $30,000 and I was like, huh, well, I don't care.
I didn't buy it to sell it. Then it goes up to $50,000 again and I'm like, I don't even check
seamus coughlin
the price. That's not why I got it. MuleCoin just hit $2,000.
Oh, yeah. Okay.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
Rye Lyon says, I was a director at a multinational that started
belittling and discriminating against white men.
I asked them to end the policies and they said no, so I let them know it's why I left.
Great decision.
will chamberlain
Good for you, man.
tim pool
Good for you.
You know, we had Daryl Davis on last week and I think a lot of people were disappointed
to discover that he was a racial identitarian.
They assumed the story of the man who de-radicalized Klansmen was that he told them not to be racist,
when in fact he actually met them and said race is the determinant factor in policy and
Agree with me instead on my racial identitarianism.
And they said, yes.
So it wasn't that this guy de-radicalized people from racial identitarianism.
They maintained their racial identitarianism.
Just their position moved a little to the left, I suppose.
I mean, that kind of changes the story a lot.
ian crossland
It might be.
I don't know, because I wasn't there when he was doing it, so I don't know exactly the conversations.
It might be that he's just kind of a chill dude, and it's like, yeah, I like Daryl.
I do.
And if he says stuff I don't agree with, I kind of want to talk to him because he listens.
tim pool
It may be that he got radicalized in the past few years with the critical race theory stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So when I told him the definition of critical race theory as per the book, he just refused, like, no, I don't believe it.
He's like, that's not what it is.
I've heard what Kimberly Crenshaw says.
And then you also have Derrick Bell who, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he praised Plessy versus Ferguson and said that Democrats never should have, I'm sorry, that the black community never should have pushed against it.
So they want it separate but equal.
That's the critical race theory.
That's what they want.
Well, let's read some more.
The Trooper says, hey Tim, long time fan, on your point of influencers versus blue-collar jobs, I am a fireproofer for construction sites, and all I do is mask windows and walls from overspray and pull hoses all day, and I get 25 an hour.
Not bad cash for low-skilled labor.
Keep rockin', dude.
But it's, like, really important.
I mean, you know?
will chamberlain
Good for you.
Fireproofing is... I mean that, like, good for you.
ian crossland
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Good for you.
Like, that's a virtuous thing to be doing.
Good for you.
tim pool
Rain B says, Tim, I'm a medical microbiologist, and that's what I wanted since I was young.
My little siblings could care less and want to get money with no work and worshipped without work.
Though I'm one of the grads who has loans, but I work my ass off.
Well, glad to hear it, man.
You know, I think people should pursue their passions and do their best to be good at it, but also be realistic, too, because sometimes people are passionate about folklore and mythology.
And it's really cool if you know a lot and you could be hired as a movie consultant.
You know, they're like, hey, we want to do a movie.
It's fantasy.
And we want to have, you know, these gods and these ancient creatures.
And they're going to need someone who's an expert on that.
But I really don't think that's going to be, like, a consistent job for you.
ian crossland
If there is an expert out there, I'd like to know, when the comet struck North America 13,000 years ago, 12,800, and caused the flood that sunk Atlantis, how long between when the comet was in the sky and they saw it, and when it connected, how long was that?
tim pool
And who was running Atlantis?
ian crossland
And who was running Atlantis at the time?
tim pool
And where did the Atlanteans go?
ian crossland
I really want to know how long they saw that thing before it hit, and how long the society had to prepare if they even knew what it was.
tim pool
Alright!
seamus coughlin
It was Joe Biden.
He's an old guy.
tim pool
PsychoDragon says, PsychoDragon Studios is making an ARPG.
I'm a medically retired vet making a triple-A level game, mostly solo dev on UE4.
Where are we?
We aren't rich.
Busy grinding away.
The character in my profile is one of my NPCs.
My team is anti-woke on commission.
Cool.
will chamberlain
Good luck.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
Cory the Merrill says, for mules, you could release an audio commentary viewers are meant to play with the movie.
Also, please consider watching the anime Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
It's available on HID Live.
That's a really good idea.
We could do it.
And we won't show the documentary.
We will say...
We're going to show the timestamp of the documentary so you know where our commentary is in the film, so you can easily synchronize it yourself.
And then if you buy the film, you can hear our commentary along with it.
ian crossland
Yeah, and then you can turn the volume down.
You can do your own levels.
That's a good idea.
tim pool
Yeah.
The only issue, I suppose, is there might be periods where we would want to pause things.
But we could, I guess.
Just leave the room and come back.
The timestamp stops.
ian crossland
I think we'll have to commit to letting it run, and just, if you've got to go, go and come back.
tim pool
I mean, pause it to make a point.
To be like, hold on, hold on, pause.
He just said this.
Guys, did you hear that?
Let's look that up.
I don't know.
Maybe we'll do a deep dive or something.
We'll figure it out.
We'll figure it out.
That'd be really cool.
Samuel Hess says, Hey Will, not sure if the milk thing was slightly a joke, but I had major colic as a baby, and my mom couldn't make breast milk or anything on the shelf work, so my parents used goat milk.
Worked great, and as a 36 year old gay man, doing great.
will chamberlain
It works for some people.
I'm not gonna say, like, goat milk doesn't work for anybody.
I'm just saying, like, there are kids who really do need the formula.
And those are the kids who are really struggling right now, right?
Even with this current baby formula shortage, most people can find formula that works.
ian crossland
Check this out.
tim pool
AlwaysPointNorth says, I live in California, work as a ready mix driver.
There is also a cement powder shortage.
unidentified
Oh, what?
ian crossland
Cement.
will chamberlain
I mean, there's general supply chain problems everywhere, right?
Like, I mean, I think baby short formula is particularly impacted because of that plant shutdown, but there's, there's problems everywhere.
tim pool
Tricky says, I work for Trinet.
Would suggest a different company because Trinet has been going more and more woke in the past few years, i.e.
DEI training.
So bad I'm thinking of looking for another job after seven plus years.
will chamberlain
Fair enough, but Trinet is just an example of a company in the space of PEOs.
tim pool
Andrew Barnes says, Dark is radical.
He's defining systemic and not systematic racism.
There's a difference.
Oh, is he referring to another super chit?
Tyler Price says, Ian, it was multiple impacts over 22 years.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
I think it was over 800 years.
There were two bouts of, like, there was this, oh, 22-year collisions.
That's insane.
But what I want to know is the first, the one that actually caused the flood itself.
What was that?
How long?
I mean, obviously, it's a big question.
I don't know if historians have figured it out yet.
All right.
They got nailed twice in 800 years.
Another 800 years later, it came back.
And that's why the Egyptians have all these hieroglyphs of pointing at comets, because they're like, hey, guys, in the future, look out.
Get ready.
Warning.
Watch out.
tim pool
Oh, what's this?
We have a super chat from someone named TheRealHydro, who says, Tim, you and Joe both had the same guest, Daryl Davis.
While on your show, Daryl exposed himself.
On Joe, he was put on a pedestal.
Joe was clueless.
That's why I wonder if this is that Daryl's been radicalized more recently, because we had him at an event and none of this stuff came up before.
Like I talked to him and he was not talking about any of that stuff.
Maybe no one's ever given him the opportunity to actually talk about those issues or challenge those issues and hear what he thought about them.
ian crossland
Yeah, we started talking about reparations.
It got kind of derailed into money, but he was pretty clear like he doesn't think it has to be a money thing.
It just would figure out a way to repair the system.
tim pool
I think it was all wrong anyway.
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will chamberlain
Yeah, just right now, follow me on Twitter at Will Chamberlain.
seamus coughlin
So go over to Freedom Tunes.
We just released a video today called Bro V. Wade.
I think you guys are really going to enjoy it.
ian crossland
I really was said that the Egyptians had a hieroglyph of them pointing at a comet.
I remember seeing it when I was younger.
I'm looking into it now because I haven't looked in a long time.
So maybe the Egyptians didn't have that.
I gotta really source that before I emphatically drive it home.
Have a nice evening, guys.
See you next time.
lydia smith
I want to thank Will so much for coming this evening and bringing his lovely wife and beautiful baby.
unidentified
Yes, indeed.
lydia smith
It's very fun to see both of them again, for sure.
The baby for the first time, which is really neat.
You guys may follow me on Twitter at Minds.com, at Sour Patchlets, as well as SourPatchlets.me.
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We will see you all at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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