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May 9, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - New SCOTUS Leaks CONFIRM They STILL Plan To Overturn Roe v. Wade w/Darryl Cooper

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ian crossland

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seamus coughlin

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tim pool

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unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we got more leaks coming out of the Supreme Court.
		They're not nearly as egregious as the first leak.
		The first leak we saw was, for the first time in history, an initial draft had been released to the public, but this draft on the repealing of or the overturning of Roe v. Wade was from February.
		So a lot of people were thinking, look, maybe it will have changed by now.
		It's certainly going to be a different argument because the justices have weighed in.
		We now have several conservative clerks Telling the Washington Post that the justices who have voted to overturn Roe v. Roe and Casey have not changed their minds.
		Clarence Thomas says they won't be bullied.
		And of course, this is resulting in continued outrage and people on the left losing their minds.
		I gotta be honest, it's very strange to me because all this does is return the issue to the states.
		It's not a ban on abortion.
		Several states will ban abortion, but these are overwhelmingly Republican states anyway, and the urban liberal women who are freaking out don't live in these places.
		I just... I understand some of them may, and they may be concerned about it, but I just think we're not getting a real argument, for the most part, from the people screaming, no more dating and they're on a sex strike, when that's literally what conservatives would prefer in the whole issue, so... Anyway, the conflict is rising.
		We have a new theory out of NPR that it was actually a conservative justice that leaked the initial draft in order to force the conservative justices to retain that position.
		Otherwise, it would appear that they were swayed by the public.
		So we'll talk about that.
		We'll talk about the riots and the violence that have happened at these pro-life centers and NGOs.
		We also have protesters planning on going to more homes of Supreme Court justices, which is illegal, but you know, I'll be...
		You guys think anybody's gonna get arrested?
		I really doubt it.
		And then we have Elon Musk, who said he might die in mysterious circumstances.
		And then, of course, there's the food shortage and a whole bunch of other stuff like that.
		So it should be interesting.
		Joining us to talk about all of this is Daryl Cooper.
		Do you want to introduce yourself, Daryl?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, my name is Daryl Cooper, as Tim said.
		I am the host of the Martyr Made podcast and the co-host of The Unraveling with Jocko Willink.
		I live in San Diego and I make podcasts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What kind of, what do you normally talk about?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Like, what's your... So Martyr Made is, it's a long form history podcast.
		Episodes that come out every several months.
		They're three, four, five, sometimes seven hours long.
		I dig deep into historical topics.
		Sometimes I'll pick one and it'll be a single episode, like my most recent episode was about Nietzsche and Dostoevsky and how their ideas and biographies kind of have interplay.
		But sometimes I'll do seven episodes on the Jonestown cult or six episodes on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, before the show, you were talking a little bit about Jonestown, so we probably have a lot to talk about, because I usually refer to a lot of these people as cultists, you know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, we'll talk about that, and thanks for hanging out, man.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got Seamus.
unidentified		Seamus of Freedom Tunes.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I make cartoons on a channel called Freedom Tunes.
unidentified		If y'all want to, you know, go check that out, I think you'll enjoy it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We're going to be uploading a cartoon on Thursday, and yeah, man, this situation is hilarious.
		The idea of, like, a sex strike, because if conservatives are going to hear that, they're going to go, no!
		Please, anything but that, liberal women.
		It's so ridiculous.
		And also, it's really offensive to women to assume that all of their political capital is just having sex.
		To imply that you view that to be a woman's role in society and what they're good for and the way that they should affect political change is really objectifying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, men will respond to this!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And all the conservatives are like, we agree with it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They're like, stop, get married.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm just double-checking, but Lysistrata is the Greek play that was about the women refusing sex to the men so that they would, I think, not go to war or something like that.
		And it was a comedy.
		It's just the entire concept of the society of women not having sex anymore is hilarious.
		It's ridiculous.
		I don't, you know, it's also blackmail, but we'll see if it works, I guess.
		I want to show you guys, before we get started, Tim got this for me.
		It's a $10 note from the Bank of Columbus, Georgia, before the Federal Reserve existed.
		States used to issue their own currency.
		It's actually a national.
		This is a national currency issued by a bank.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I was at a collector's shop, and the guy said, this is pre-Federal Reserve money, and I was like, oh, I gotta get that first.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Haha, he said the magic words.
		Pre-Federal Reserve.
		Well, hey, good to see ya!
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		And I'm also here in the corner pushing buttons.
		I just wanted to weigh in on this conversation about a possible sex strike, and I think that these ladies are using this as an excuse to pretend that they're getting laid.
		I don't believe any of them are actually getting any.
		That's my two cents.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, as an aside, there's a meme from conservatives where it's like, the woman going on a sex strike, and it's a bunch of, like, frumpy, purple-haired women.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then it says the woman not going on strike, and it's a bunch of, like, busty, Trump-supporting women, so...
		I mean, look, look, last time I brought this up, the Young Turks were very offended, but
		then confirmed what I said was true.
		Conservatives tend to be more attractive than liberals, according to multiple studies.
		That doesn't mean every conservative, I mean, every liberal, they're attractive lefty women,
		they're attractive conservative women, but it's a tendency among both males and females.
		And the Young Turks are really mad at me for saying it.
		And then while they made fun of me and called me ugly, they confirmed everything I said.
		So that's, there you go.
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		And I just want to mention one thing as an aside too.
		Every so often I'll have a cheat day where everybody wants to go out to eat
		and the food options are, you know, grainy or sugary, but I'm like, it's no big deal.
		It's like, you know, I've been eating really well all month.
		And then I'll have that one day where I'll eat something sugary
		and I'll eat something with bread in it.
		And then I just feel like someone smacked me in the face with a plank of wood.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They call it cheating for a reason because you're not supposed to do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It actually just feels miserable after doing it.
		And I'm experiencing it right now because we went out to eat for Mother's Day
		and I was like, we got to get the best of the best and the fancy desserts.
		And now I'm just like, what's wrong with me?
		So anyway.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I read an article one time that said that that's actually scientifically good for you, and I don't know if it's true, but I was like, I'm going with that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A cheat day?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess the idea is that you overload, so you get everything you might be missing.
		So I think I was actually low on iron.
		Ian mentioned it to me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think I'm low on iron, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Iron's big.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I was like, oh yeah, because I didn't eat a steak for a while.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because I was eating eggs and bacon.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We actually have cast iron pans.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're supposed to cook in your cast iron pan to get more iron in your diet, I've heard.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Really?
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		Let's jump into this first story we have from Mediaite.
		Washington Post obtains new leaks from Supreme Court revealing conservative justices are holding the line.
		Not just that, Chief Justice John Roberts appears to have lost control and Clarence Thomas may now actually be in more control.
		We don't know exactly.
		We don't know exactly.
		There's only a couple leaks.
		The first leak was the initial draft.
		Check this out.
		Mediaite says oddly, the article itself appears to include another leak, which is clearly reported to have come from conservatives close to the court, who of course spoke on the condition of anonymity.
		The sources are said to have told reporters about private conversations between Roberts and his fellow jurists as far back as early December.
		They say, The leaked draft opinion is dated in February and is almost surely obsolete now, as justices have had time to offer dissents and revisions.
		But as of last week, the majority of five justices to strike Roe remains intact, according to three conservatives close to the court who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.
		So we don't know who these people are.
		Clearly someone who knows what's going on in the court, presumably a clerk.
		They say a person close to the most conservative members of the court said Roberts told his fellow jurists in private conference in early December he planned to uphold the state law and write an opinion that left Rowan Casey in place for now.
		But the other conservatives were more interested in an opinion that overturned the precedents, the person said.
		A spokesman for the court declined to comment and messages extended to justices were unreturned.
		Also, according to the Washington Post, Nope.
		Nope.
		Absolutely not.
		that Clarence Thomas was the one who instructed Alito to draft the majority opinion. And Alito has
		always been in favor of restrictions on abortion and opposing Roe v. Wade. So it looks like Roberts
		was trying to get the conservatives to side with upholding Roe v. Wade. And they basically said,
		nope, nope, absolutely not. So thank goodness. Well, so is this is this bad?
		Let me show you the big point of the story.
		The Hill, regurgitating an NPR story, says the leading theory on SCOTUS League is a conservative clerk.
		And the argument is, with Justice John Roberts trying to get these other conservative justices to uphold Roe v. Wade, a conservative clerk released the draft opinion to force them to stick to it, because if they change their opinion now, it'll look like they were swayed by public opinion.
		What do you guys think?
unidentified		I mean, if NPR said it, I'm going to say probably not true.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think that if you're leaking Supreme Court documents, that's probably a federal offense.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, regardless, this is a serious breach of ethics.
unidentified		I don't care who did it or why.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We need to find them and we need to punish them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, Darrell?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		It seems like part of a larger trend toward just undermining all of our institutions, right?
		And all of the customs and ways of doing things that have kind of been the glue and sinews that have held things together over all this time, right?
		The United States is a country... We got all types of people here, you know, from every continent on the planet, every religion, every race, everything.
		People who believe that all different types of ways of life are, you know, the most appropriate way to live.
		And you hold that together by a thread.
		And that thread is those traditions and customs and those institutions that we use
		to moderate our conversations with one another.
		And if we lose those things, we're gonna lose everything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I saw this leftist meme post where they said, Republicans are trying to burn the country down
		and destroy all of its institutions.
		And I thought to myself, that is absolutely accurate, 100%.
		The institutions that have been taken over by the left, the conservatives are absolutely intent on taking down, like public education, the Department of Education, colleges.
		So if you think about it in terms of what we value as constitutionalists, when I hear that, the constitutionalist part of me says, that's ridiculous.
		The left has been gutting and destroying everything.
		They're the ones stripping the Bill of Rights and blah, blah, blah.
		But I don't want to just be overtly biased.
		I was like, well, what institutions are they talking about?
		I'm like, oh yeah, the universities.
		Yeah, definitely.
		Cultural institutions?
		Oh, you bet.
		They've been completely taken over.
		So I think conservatives would love to see the universities falter.
		But when we're talking about courts, when we're talking about the rule of law, that's absolutely not true.
		It's the left that's doing that, in my opinion.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		And there's two different layers to institutions, right?
		There's there's Harvard University and then there's education in the United States or there's the Washington Post.
		But then there's journalism, which is an institution.
		And they certainly want to burn the Washington Post and Harvard, you know, Harvard down.
		But I think that.
		In their minds, at least, conservatives want to do that so they can get back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is a really interesting point.
		The left, I think, looks at the brick-and-mortar structure as the institution, and the right views the concept as the institution.
		A just court is an institution.
		To the left, the Supreme Court is the institution, the court itself, the building itself.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the left knows that they're going to be able to intimidate people into doing their bidding by going after the actual physical location.
		So you look at the fact that they are genuinely trying to intimidate Supreme Court justices.
		And I think that when you look at the behavior of the right, there is no comparison between the right and the left in terms of how much rioting has occurred.
		I mean, the left, it's their go-to.
		As soon as this information got leaked, we knew they were going to be threatening violence immediately.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I feel like the locations are points of vulnerability within the institutions.
		We put so much faith and trust in these people at these institutions, like the president of Harvard or the Supreme Court justices, that if they get tweaked or bribed or something, The entire, or if they leak something, the entire system falters.
		In social media administration, we have a thing called trustless systems, where you don't have to trust that someone has your back or that someone's going to make the right choice.
		The system is in plain view.
		Everyone knows what's happening.
		It's automatic.
		And I think maybe that our government needs trustless systems as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think, just going back to my point, how the establishment left and many on the left view the existing structure as an institution, like the Washington Post is the institution of journalism, whereas the right wants to restore the actual institution of journalism.
		And I think those are different worldviews where if you can understand how many on the left or liberals or Democrats think, you'll better understand what their arguments are.
		That was kind of my point when they said, the right's trying to destroy our institutions.
		It's like, well, think, what must they mean?
		Harvard University, not education.
		They like their, you know, archaic structures.
		But I think, you know, for us who believe in freedom and liberty, we like the idea of education.
		And education can come from anywhere.
		For me, it came from going online and reading free information from various, you know, professors or news outlets and not formal education.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think they're trying to destroy the education system, but maybe the public schooling system that Dewey set up in like the early 1900s where they're creating these like factory workers and basically soldiers are getting people ready to raise their hand and only speak when they're spoken to.
		I think a lot of people are done with that.
		They want school choice.
		They want to learn online.
		You know, Phoenix University was really groundbreaking in the early 2000s, I think it was.
		You get your degree online.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		There's a basic difference between the way conservatives and progressives approach politics in general, the way like the down to the level of what they think the purpose and point of politics is right to a progressive.
		I mean, it's built into their name.
		And this is true of liberals as well.
		Just that the purpose of politics is to get us somewhere that there are certain things that either need to be fixed or improved or achieved, whatever it is.
		And the purpose of politics is our means of coming together to achieve or fix or these things.
		And conservatives don't see it that way.
		Conservatives have a much more tragic view of history.
		They look around and say, we're not going to some final destination in America.
		The goal of politics is much more like relations between family members to conservatives.
		The point of this is to make sure that we're all still friends tomorrow.
		That's the only point to politics, is to make sure that we are all still friends tomorrow and that we can come together to deal with things as they arise.
		And you're going to get very different approaches to institutions when that's the case, right?
		Progressives can look at it and say, the point here is to get to that place where this social justice aim is achieved, or whatever it is.
		And if an institution seems to be slowing that down, Scorched earth.
		I mean, that institution is in the way.
		Whereas a conservative says, no, no, no.
		Maintaining that institution's credibility so that we're not all killing each other tomorrow instead of working through our institutions.
		That's the point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking about that, too.
		I was like, there's got to be rules that we all agree to play by.
		But that doesn't apply to the progressive worldview.
		The progressive worldview has been, and I'll just throw it to the late David Graeber, where I started to think about these ideas, when he said that elements of the left have embraced the fascistic tenet, there is no truth but power.
		And you take a look at what many on the right would call a double standard, and James Lindsay, I think it's James Lindsay, he said there is no double standard.
		If it's good for the revolution, it's good.
		If it's bad for the revolution, it's bad.
		That's how you end up seeing contradictory concepts like you must be vaccinated regardless of your own body and abortion my body my choice.
		They then act like conservatives are the hypocrites when in reality they just don't know what conservatives are arguing.
		Whereas conservatives are outright saying it's not your body it's the other body.
		Address the argument from that point if you want to have a conversation but they're not.
		So you know ultimately I think For me, I wonder, what are the rules to the system we're in so that I can make sure we don't come at each other and go nuts, right?
		And it doesn't seem like it matters because the rules for, as you pointed out, for the progressives is to accomplish their social justice goals.
		Social justice goals where everyone else is kind of, for the most part, conservatives.
		But I think, you know, whatever the two factions really end up being, libertarian or otherwise, is how do we live together and survive this catastrophe, I guess.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I definitely think there's truth in what you're saying.
		The left has a much more Hegelian approach to their view of history.
		They see it as this process and this structure that is building towards its ultimate end.
		And even that, I think from a metaphysical Christian worldview, there's truth in.
		But I think conservatives, as you have said, do have this more tragic view of history.
		It's more or less We are teetering on the brink.
		It's not as if we are just guaranteed that tomorrow is going to be better than today.
		This could all fall off if we try to change the system in the wrong way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to pull up this story here we have from WUSA9.
		Group to hold vigil outside Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito's home in response to potential Roe v. Wade overturn.
		The group plans to host a vigil near Alito's home starting at 7.30 p.m., blah, blah, blah.
		A vigil!
		Oh, a vigil!
		So they already went to Kavanaugh's house, which is illegal.
		And now they're going to Alito's house, which is illegal.
		But don't worry, it's a vigil.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What a protest, a vigil.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the law says, the US code, you cannot parade or picket in front of a judge's house.
		I'm simplifying it, but I think it makes sense.
		The court precedent or the legal precedent is that due process injustice supersedes your
		right to free speech.
		Because without those processes, you can't have free speech.
		So, in this instance, people should not be going to the homes of these justices, but anyone wanna take a bet as to when or if any of these people will get charged with any kind of crime?
		Shaking your head already?
		Everybody?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you, if any of them do get charged, we're gonna see politicians tweeting out the link to the GoFundMe to get them bailed out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So this is a vigil.
		The definition is the act of keeping awake at times when sleep is customary.
		So they're just gonna go sit and stay awake all night outside his house?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, they're screaming.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If they're screaming, then it's a protest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		It's semantic games.
		Manipulation.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Well, we already know that Jen Psaki has no negative words to say about these protesters.
		She's like, well, people sometimes feel very passionate.
		Like, oh yeah, they felt passionate on January 6th, and you have a very different view of that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, there's a- January 6th is different from showing up at someone's house, but showing up at someone's house is overt terror against- Worse in some ways.
		Worse in some ways.
		In many ways, actually.
		But Jen Psaki did walk this back.
		She came out and she was, like, she tweeted, it's probably not even her, it's like some intern tweeting, like, sent out a message and she was just like, violence can never be tolerated and people should feel safe.
		It's like, I missed the part, Jen, where you included, don't go to the homes of these justices, which they're doing.
		So I think, I was talking about this earlier, A lot of people say it's worse now than it's ever been, but then people like to point out the assassination attempts of the past and the weather underground, you know, the weathermen and the bombings and stuff and the death.
		I think back then we had acute spikes of political extremism.
		And today we have a low consistent rumbling of extremism, which is worse.
		It's death by a thousand cuts.
		The way I explain it is if we in the past had an assassination attempt, that would be
		like someone taking a pickaxe to the hole of your ship.
		Boom.
		They punch a hole in it.
		The water's spraying through and you're like, quick, we better patch this hole up.
		And everyone panics and you rush and you patch the hole up.
		Today it's a thousand small holes.
		and you can't patch them up fast enough.
		It is death by a thousand cuts.
		So this low-level rumbling that is affecting every level of government, that's consistent.
		I mean, I'll put it this way.
		I've been saying for how long tensions are escalating, potential civil war or strife or whatever, some kind of hyper-polarization, then geographic polarization.
		And then we get a story about the overturning of Roe v. Wade, when I even said before the story came out, That I think abortion could be a catalyst for another civil war.
		And not just me, Stephen Marsh said it.
		He's the guy who wrote the book, The Next Civil War.
		And now, sure enough, it drops.
		They're going to overturn it.
		They're holding firm with the latest leaks.
		People are already starting to protest in front of justices' homes.
		Law students are defying the idea of the sanctity of the court.
		How are we going to pull this together and get past this in any meaningful way?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's really hard to reestablish deterrence once it's been lost, right?
		And that deals like in the international arena with military strategy, whether it's law enforcement or just basic norms and ethics.
		Once one side, you know, it's like that it's like that driver that everybody hates who just kind of realizes that I can actually just cut everybody off and I can just cut across traffic and make turns as long as I don't get caught by a car.
		I might be inconveniencing everybody else, but I'm going to get to where I want to go quicker than anybody else.
		And he realizes maybe on some level that if everybody started doing that then nobody's getting anywhere that they're trying to go.
		But he knows that the good faith of those other people means that they're not going to do it.
		So he can get away with it and he gets there.
		And once you have kind of allowed that to metastasize and become normal for certain people or even, you know, it can spread.
		I mean the real frightening thing that people have been talking about for a long time is that what happens when the right starts acting this way?
		Now, they have a, you know, there are reasons that they wouldn't.
		Ideologically, maybe.
		There are also, obviously, we see January 6.
		There are law enforcement reasons why they wouldn't do it.
		They get treated very differently.
		But if they just decided to ignore that stuff and they started responding to things violently and they started showing up to judges' homes they didn't like, at that point, You've lost control, and the only way to regain control is to probably use a pretty extraordinary amount of force, because you have a bunch of people who don't think that you're going to do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that could solve it.
		If the federal government or law enforcement cracks down on the left and the right, it would just exacerbate the hyperpolarization. So you have January 6. It's
		bad. I mean, people should not have rioted. The people who mindlessly trespassed when the
		cops opened the door for them shouldn't have, in my opinion, been charged because these are the Maga
		Mimas. Already one guy got his charges dropped because the judge was like, the cops let you in.
		What am I supposed to do about that?
		There's going to be a lot more like that, but there are a lot of violent people who should
		be charged. So that's bad. You see people who are facing solitary confinement, people who have been
		been locked up for over a year for this.
		Then you look at the left.
		You had the insurrection on January 20th, 2017, where hundreds of people were running through the streets, smashing things, starting fires, torched a limousine.
		These people not only had their charges dropped, the city was forced to pay out to them in a lawsuit.
		Now, you can chalk a lot of this to the fact that the left has organizational power and collectivist power they've been dealing with for a long time.
		But when you see The FBI agents going to Bubba Wallace's, I think that's his name, right?
		The NASCAR guy over a garage pole rope.
		Yeah.
		But then you see these people show up to judges' homes, and there's no law enforcement action, or the people who are throwing firebombs at federal buildings, some of which have been charged, mind you, but many who haven't, it is lopsided.
		The right gets angry and says, we have no justice.
		If the right starts acting out, which they did on January 6th, and then the boot comes down on them, which it did, What you have done is you have struck through the heart confidence in the American system.
		If there is no justice for me, then what's the point of participation?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, and so you mentioned that there were certain individuals there who basically had the doors open for them by the police.
		They walked through.
		I think a large section of the country knows that at this point.
		They also know that there were people who didn't engage in any kind of misconduct of any sort who were put on trial.
		So, for example, we have Marjorie Taylor Greene is a fantastic example who was, I believe they were trying to smear her as an insurrectionist and actually get her charged so that she could not run in her state.
		The idea is to get people who would otherwise protest peacefully or be involved in, you know, trying to bring about civic change to just stay home so long as they have a certain perspective.
		And of course, that perspective is a conservative one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to bring up this op-ed from over at TimCast.com from Josie, the redhead libertarian.
		She writes, If you're pro-abortion after Viability and ever wondered if you would have been an abolitionist, I have some bad news for you.
		She makes an interesting point about Roe v. Wade and Casey, and that basically Roe actually did entertain the conversation around Viability.
		Quote, This is from Roe v. Wade.
		As we have intimated above, it is reasonable and appropriate for a state to decide that
		at some point in time, potential human life becomes significantly involved.
		The woman's privacy is no longer sole, and any right of privacy she possesses must be
		measured accordingly.
		And according to Roe, the 14th's right to privacy clause is not absolute regarding pregnancy.
		Although the results are divided, most of these courts have agreed that the right of privacy, however based, is broad enough to cover the abortion decision, that the right, nonetheless, is not absolute and is subject to some limitations, and that at some point the state's interests as to protection of health, medical standards, and prenatal life become dominant, we agree with this approach.
		Josie writes, so once again, according to Rowe, we have a clear understanding that a baby is a baby at viability and it's fair for states to regulate proposed termination if they so choose.
		We also have a clear understanding, thanks to Rowe, that a mother's personhood may not be absolute at that point in some states and it's fair for states to regulate proposed termination of a baby if they so choose.
		Roe had limited abortion in the first trimester, but thanks to Planned Parenthood v. Casey, that part of Roe was overturned.
		So states can already do what they want, barring absolute bans of the practice.
		Emotional arguments aside, this is an extreme, unpopular, and highly unlikely outcome, no matter how many legislators co-sponsor the bill.
		In terms of property rights, historically people in some states rejected the idea that they did not have ownership over another human, even when the laws in other states said, yes, this person is a human here.
		When they believed a separate human belonged to them, that this separate human was less than human, and that they could do with that human as they pleased, but by no hyperbole, that was slavery.
		Here's my thoughts on this, we mentioned last week.
		Almost every instance I can think of when there has been an attempt to expand personhood, constitutional rights to a group of people, that has ultimately played out.
		And we've seen that actually with the trans argument.
		States across the country are now entertaining gender identity as a protected class, even at the federal level in many ways they're doing it.
		So this happens.
		Why would babies be the one exception to this tendency throughout history?
		In which case it seems That the only likely outcome is going to be abortion becoming banned based on the historical trends.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's it's gender as a protected class is a slippery slope because you can if someone's able to choose their gender at will and then gain a protection of some sort of legally, that's complete insanity.
		So I don't know what's happening.
		I think if we're talking about viability, baby viability, and as viability is getting less and less, it's getting shorter and shorter.
		Like now a five month old baby can be born into a incubator and live there for three months.
		And then as it matures, but if the, I don't know if that's really considered viability because if the plug comes out, then the baby dies and like, Well, it's an interesting question.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's if the baby can survive independent of a mother.
		I mean, there are people who their kidneys fail and they need dialysis, but they're still considered viable human beings.
		So the issue is, as technology progresses, viability will extend all the way to day one, I'd imagine, eventually.
		In fact, day zero, we'll probably be able to... We've already grown, I think, sheep in bags.
		So certainly, the same could be done for humans, it's just an ethical question of, you know, we should not do that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So I think we're... That's like a step of like, they might start harvesting women's eggs in ovulation because they are viable.
		That's crazy.
		Psycho.
		You can't do that.
unidentified		Well, an egg is... Yeah, there's a difference between an egg and a zygote, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They cannot allow it to... Well, the difference is it's unfertilized, but it doesn't mean it can't become a human.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but once the sperm enters and you have like a completely unique set of human DNA, I don't think that there's anyone who argues...
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		The only people who argue that an egg cell is equivalent to a zygote are pro-choicers who are trying to strawman pro-lifers.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What about birth control?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why is the church so against birth control?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Because the purpose of human sexuality is unity and procreation, and birth control perverts one of those purposes.
		It's not because there is an act of murder which occurs, which is what we see with abortion.
		It's for very different reasons.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So when we talk about viability, I'm just concerned about the technological aspect of the viability.
		I get it like if the mom's not around, the baby's gonna die until it's like 11.
		You know, a baby, a child can't take care of itself.
		But if you're talking about a breathing machine, that's a different story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think this question of viability plays exactly into what I was thinking last week with the inevitability of abortion being banned.
		If technology progresses to the point where a baby is viable the moment of conception through an artificial womb, and there's a question actually in row about at what point viability makes this life-form a person under the Constitution and worthy of protection, If their initial assessment was, well, by the second trimester, you've got a baby with a heartbeat and a brain and all that stuff, so its rights are now in play here, well then, if the baby is viable from day zero, the moment of conception, then why would we ever allow abortion?
		At that point, once technology gets to that point, it seems like... I'll put it this way.
		The question of trans rights only exists because of the invention, the isolation of hormones.
		Before we actually knew what hormones were and how to get them, there were people who identified as trans, but there was no hormone replacement therapy.
		Now that we have that, we have a question constitutionally about how far this can go, and ultimately we're seeing states starting to enact gender identity protections.
		Technology is going to do the same thing for human life in terms of abortion.
		I think the end result is abortion gets banned.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I've always fantasized about some future scenario where they actually isolate the gay gene, the gene that makes you a homosexual, and then conservatives start aborting all their gay babies, and then you have all the people on the left actually coming out and protesting against abortion and trying to ban it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That would be interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I honestly, I don't think conservatives would do that.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't either.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or is there, there's not actually a gay gene.
unidentified		I don't think.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		No.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I'm living a fantasy.
		I've been workshopping this theory and you guys are welcome to disagree with me, but one of the reasons that human infants are born and it's so difficult is because their heads are huge And the reason that they're born so early is because, unlike baby giraffes and baby elephants, we don't just get squeezed out on the savannah and start running immediately, because we have huge brains.
		This is part of the reason why you could potentially argue that a three-year-old child is not viable, because if you leave a three-year-old child to its own devices, it will die in relatively short order, it will starve, it's unable to feed itself, or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or be raised by wolves.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, exactly.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's possible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's happening.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, no, and start a city called Rome or something.
		I also, viability is a very bizarre way of determining when a person should get rights for a number of reasons, but I think most importantly because one of the entire, like, if not almost the entire reason that we recognize rights politically is to protect the weak from the strong.
		So the more vulnerable a person is, the more necessary it is to extend rights to them.
		So to look at viability and say they're actually particularly vulnerable at this point, so we're not going to extend the right to life to them.
		Is completely self-defeating.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's a luxurious way of looking at it in like tribal society, old war society.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The most vulnerable will be killed off immediately because they're going to hold the tribe back and get it killed.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Their rights were not recognized.
		But we don't want to live in a society where somebody is killed because they're quote unquote holding us back or because they require more resources or because they can't produce as much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Ian, this is not Sparta.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		No, that's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You said it like a Spartan, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's madness!
		Well, you can't do it aggressively because the joke is it's not Sparta.
		This is not Sparta.
		The baby would be born, like, put in the woods for like a day, and if it didn't survive, they're like, it was weak!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I guess viability maybe is can the baby breathe on its own?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		After you suction out its lungs, can it just lay there and breathe?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are people with no lungs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are people who have lung damage and they get put on special machines.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So like for a healthy baby, not for one with a deformity, but like a healthy, fully formed baby, at what stage of its gestation can it start to breathe on its own?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are people who are born missing certain vital organs and we find ways for them to survive and live.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But those are the, I mean, specifically for like healthy term babies that are five months or four months.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's, I don't think you can define viability based on that criteria.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you have like a loved one on a machine and they can't breathe, you can pull the plug.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And if you have a guy with a pacemaker or you have someone with insulin shots, like, come on, that's not an argument.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are diabetic people who have insulin pumps Bluetooth, with tubes going into their bellies, and that machine is keeping them alive.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, they can make the choice for themselves.
		It's the people that can't make... What about a baby?
		Babies and people that have no brain.
		Basically, they can't choose for themselves, so other people have to decide, are they going to pull the plug?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And other people decide, are they going to abort the thing?
		I don't think you can define... I don't think viability is a criteria for rights or anything like that.
		I just don't see it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can pull the plug on someone that's in a vegetable state.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can pull the plug on a diabetic.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If they're unconscious, maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		A six-year-old does not get insulin.
		You've got to provide it to them and make sure you're the one administering it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think that's murder.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you don't give your six-year-old insulin and it dies?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you have a baby on a ventilator and you shut the ventilator off, that's murder.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If it doesn't have brain access, it can't make that decision, so someone else has to do it for them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A six-year-old can't make the decision either.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, technically they can.
		They have brain activity.
		I'm just talking about people without brain activity or like babies in the womb where you can't communicate with them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are people who experiences loss of brain function and go into comas for very long periods of time and they recover.
		So it's like, if you unplug them, you're killing them.
		And the challenge morally is that sometimes we're like, is this person going to recover?
		And people have to make a hard decision about whether we say it's time or it's not.
		And the scary thing is sometimes after long periods of time, years, people do recover.
		So do you want to be the person pulling the plug?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But my point is it's legal to pull the plug in those situations.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And when, if it's someone that's healthy, it's not legal to have them killed.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And an unborn child is healthy and they're developing, they're just not at a stage of development where they can make choices.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		So that's a different scenario.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So in the environment of if they're taken out of the womb at four and a half months, they're not going to be healthy.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But if you remove them from the womb, yeah, I mean, they're perfectly healthy at that stage of development.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but relative to their environment.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And that's also part of why you can't remove them.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can't remove someone from an environment where they're perfectly healthy and say, you know what, I'm not going to give you the treatment that you need given the fact that I just stripped you from the environment that's good for you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the legal argument would then be, oh, you can remove them so long as you replace 100% with what you've taken from them.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if we get to the point technologically where a baby can, at whatever stage, be it one week, two weeks, or even one day, be placed in an artificial womb, I think the termination of the baby becomes illegal outright.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, abortion, in some sense, like the removing of the baby from the woman, I think becomes overtly legal at all stages at that point, because then the baby will always survive.
unidentified		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I truly believe if they do that one day one, you can take it out and put it in a machine that it's going to lead to people harvesting eggs and saying you cannot ovulate.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It is illegal for you to ovulate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, come on, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's that's absurd.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I know it sounds absurd, but the CCP does stuff like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, yeah, maybe the CCP might do crazy stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like if we start legislating, they have to give this one day old thing to the, to the, to the world.
		And then like, why not day zero?
		Why not day negative one?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because the point would be when life begins at conception.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But those eggs are alive, they're just not human fertilized yet.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's living tissue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's when an egg is fertilized, Ian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When a man loves a woman.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Life begins at conception.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		An egg is a component of the creation of life, but it is not the life.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a piece of living meat, or whatever it is.
		The egg itself.
		I don't know what it's composed of.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the question is, there's no potential.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's no potential life.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is, is potential life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, only when it meets with the sperm, and then it becomes fertilized.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Then it's kinetic life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, like, I got eggs from the chickens.
		They sit on the shelf until they rot and explode.
		There's no potential there unless they're fertilized.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I disagree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And even if they're fertilized, they require specific conditions.
		But anyway, let's let's let's let's move on.
		I think we'll just.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what do you think?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You've been listening.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think this is an obviously an incredibly complex moral question.
		Right.
		Which is why I think the conservative perspective on this is not to seek a maximalist position, trying to ban abortion or drive it back to the first day after fertilization.
		But to recognize the complexity of it, recognize that there are probably irreconcilable views that people are going to have and allow Alabama and New York to have different abortion laws that they work out through the discourse and their democratic processes.
		You know, it's I think it's it's going back to the idea of like conservative, the way conservatives look at politics as something that is that we engage in to make sure that we all wake up tomorrow.
		We're not killing each other.
		I think that's, in that sense, the conservative way of approaching it.
		I mean, because we, like, if the way humans gave birth was a woman got fertilized, and then the egg, like, popped out, and then you put it in a plastic bag in the fridge, and then it grew into a human, like, after that.
		That was just how humans, you know, evolved, say, to, then we wouldn't allow abortion at all.
		You would have it there in the bag that came out the first day, and we'd be like, no, you can't flush that thing down the toilet.
		We'll take it, or whatever.
		But you can't do that to it.
		This question only becomes really relevant because you're dealing with a very real rights claim.
		You know, a woman's right to control what goes on with her body.
		That is a... however anybody feels about abortion.
		You have lots of people, I think, libertarian types maybe, who are anti-abortion, but they're very, like, they want to end the drug war because they think that a person wants to put something into their body, then they should be able to.
		It's bodily autonomy.
		It's a real argument that You know, that conservatives, I think, have more recently done a better job of dealing with.
		But it's something that, you know, it does have to be dealt with.
		I mean, you're talking about, you know, just basic basic rights when you're talking about somebody's ability to control what happens with their body.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to jump to this post here from our good friends over at 2xChromosomes on Reddit.
		A top post says, delete your dating apps.
		No more women on dating apps is the only language men speak.
		Plus, the less time you spend on Tinder, the more time you can spend protesting at the courthouse.
		Edit.
		To all men coming on here crying about how you're against this, of course you are.
		That's the point.
		F off.
		You know what I love about this?
		The kind of guy that's going to go to these women and be like, please don't leave the dating app.
		But I'm for abortion.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I'm an ally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm an ally.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Good guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're just angering their own side.
		These men who are doing what they want.
		Meanwhile, conservatives are like, no, wait, don't.
		Don't delete your dating apps.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, look, it just goes to show you that feminists don't like male feminists either.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, who does?
		Who doesn't?
		No, but I think it's funny that this is the consistent argument.
		So we have, uh, this one post says, I deleted mine a while ago, but before this leak, I was just starting to consider trying again.
		Nope, F it.
		I'll stick to a vibrator in my imagination.
		Mr. Buzzy can't get me pregnant, can't lie about not having an STI, doesn't care if I also see Mr. Rabbit or look at a Hitachi at the store.
		Yo, this is... There's, there's... What's the right word?
		I don't want to say... they're crazy.
		But they're kind of crazy to not understand the nuance in what's happening here.
		That they don't know what conservatives think about this.
		They've probably never even spoken to someone who is anti-abortion about what's really going on and why they think it.
		And the fact that these women probably live in blue states.
		I genuinely do not understand.
		I don't believe they actually know what they're arguing for or against.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that's what they're doing outside the Supreme Court Justice Houses?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		They're like deleting Tinder?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're like, look Kevin, now you're not going to see me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're going to be able to swipe.
unidentified		Delete.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		There are so many examples of the left circling back and coming back to traditional like social positions through like a back door.
		You know, I remember a few months ago, I was listening to Jordan Peterson interview this child psychologist from Canada.
		Apparently, he's a big wig.
		He won, like, the Nobel Prize of Child Psychology or whatever.
		And he deals with designing state interventions for children in disadvantaged homes and studies, like, how this affects their antisocial behavior, their violent behavior and stuff as they get older.
		And so he's describing how all these different programs would work, and he's describing this one in the middle.
		He says, so what we'll do is we'll have a social worker that'll come into the house, you know, of a single mother who maybe, you know, doesn't have any experience, doesn't really know, like, how to handle certain things when the kid does this or does that, how they're trying to communicate.
		And the social worker will be there who has this experience, who can kind of tell them, like, oh, this is what the kid is trying to do, and, like, kind of walk them through these processes.
		And Peterson kind of pauses for a minute, and he goes, Well, that sounds like a grandmother.
		And it's like, then I realized everything he had been describing were just bureaucratic replacements for all of the things that have been lost over the last several decades.
		And that was one of them.
		And it just sort of happens that way.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I want to mention there's also an additional component to this.
		You're correct that the left will end up in a roundabout way rediscovering some form of social conservatism or traditionalism.
		And then at that point, the right starts defending whatever it is the left was pushing for 50 years ago.
		And so, historically, before we just had these, like, isolated nuclear families, people did tend to live with their older relatives.
		Their older aunts or uncles or, you know, parents were still living with them, helping them with the children.
		And now we're at a point where people are putting their father or mother in a nursing home when it's unnecessary, just because they don't want to deal with them, and they're calling themselves pro-family conservatives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen now what the far right is pushing?
		This is how it gets here.
		They want this insane meme of rejecting modernity and returning to tradition.
		You're gonna be shocked by what I'm gonna show you.
		In a tweet from Jack Posobiec, he says, remember what they took from you in this shocking image!
		It's Pizza Hut!
		And the Pac-Man machine, Book It, the Red Cups, the little dinosaurs, Care Bears, the Pizza Hut lamp.
		So Jack has been going on this, what is it, Pizza Hut nationalism thing?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He loves Pizza Hut.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where it's like, Pizza Hut used to be great, and now it's, basically, I'm kidding, by the way, about the far-right stuff.
		the uh oh the weird pizza claymation or whatever it was he was telling a story how how he what he took his kids to pizza hut because he remembered what it was like when he was a kid and it was just trash there was garbage everywhere it was messy he was like what is this And, you know, I'll say he's obviously joking to quite a bit, but there is a bit of truth into what he's saying, that there were things that we had that were nice that are now gone, that have fallen apart.
		And you mentioned it was a bureaucratic replacement.
		Daryl, you're talking about a grandmother and the state's replacement.
		I kind of feel like that's where we're going, where Pizza still exists, but you go inside and it's a dry shell, lacking flavor, lacking anything other than you sit down, here's your pizza, get out.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		The same thing happened after the 1960s.
		You go to like 1973 is when George Lucas, who was part of the New Directors Movement, like these rebellious Dennis Hopper, like all these new director types in the late 60s, Easy Rider, all that.
		George Lucas in 1973 makes American Graffiti, which is sort of, it began the sort of the cult of 1950s nostalgia, right?
		I don't know if you guys have ever seen it.
		It's like as much of a stereotypical kind of 1950s childhood movie as you can imagine.
		And he was open about why he did it.
		He said, because everything that comes out now is depressing and it sucks.
		And for the last several years, every film that's come out has just told us
		how bad we are, how evil the war is, et cetera, et cetera.
		And I just didn't want any more of that.
		And I don't think a lot of other people do too.
		And it started that trend.
		Happy Days came out a year or two later after that.
		And for us, I think, we're kind of going through a similar thing in the 80s and the early 90s
		or kind of our 1950s, you know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's that 70s show, which was the late 90s, right?
		Yep.
		And the funny thing is, I think, is this true that, yeah, yeah, yeah,
		that 70s show was closer to the time period when it was released than we are to the 90s now.
		Ugh, gross.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because, you know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they're actually, they're doing a reboot, I think.
		Aren't they doing a reboot of that 90s show?
		And it's about the cast of that 70s show.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They tried to do that 80s show.
		Do you remember that?
		Yeah, that was... Oh, I thought you were going to say no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but I think it might just be that people have nostalgia for when they were kids and they always thought it was better.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, that and it looks like Yum!
		Food Brands bought, I don't know if they bought Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, and KFC in 97.
		China!
		Basically this Tricon Global Restaurants incorporated in 97, 1997.
		It came out of PepsiCo.
		It's kind of obfuscated as to who owns what here, but I think they all got merged and corporatized.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just gotta point out that I have fond memories of going to pizza when I was a kid.
		When you would get the bucket thing, you'd get the little wheel or whatever with all the things you win and you go in and you get like a little pizza because you read the books or whatever.
		And Jack is obviously making a, you know, he's being silly about it.
		But there are, there are people on the left that are really upset about Jack's statements about pizza that genuinely confuse me.
		It was fun going to pizza when we were kids.
		Everything else is meant to be more silly and a joke, but talking about how, you know, we, the things we did back then, we don't do anymore and it kind of sucks.
		And times won't stay the same forever, but it's just funny how angry they got.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, people, they hate fun.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		People, I disagree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think they're addicted to it.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		People have nostalgia for their childhoods all the time, obviously, because your childhood was the time before everything got so complicated.
		But that is also true, like, on a real societal level in this particular age, you know, as well.
		Like, I don't know how old all of you guys are exactly, but I'm, like, right at that age where I was, you know, right in that sweet spot where I lived enough of my life, about 20 years before I ever really got on the internet, I kind of knew about it and I would, you know... How old are you?
		I'm 40.
		Okay, and so right right at that age where you have enough experience of the world what it was like before everybody
		had smartphones and everything and yet you're young enough that you can just you can pick
		it up and you can learn it and you can kind of Get fully integrated and you know, it has it's radically
		changed things and I think it's made things more complicated
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These kids today will not know the joy of hearing the phone ring and racing your sibling full speed to try and answer
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		it first Or watching something on television and having to go grab your snack during the commercial break.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Actually, to be honest though, that is coming back to a lot of streaming services.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, there's a funny post.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where someone said, the kids today will never know the joy of rushing to the kitchen to grab snacks during a commercial break and your sibling yelling, it's on.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then it was on Tumblr.
		Someone said they couldn't just pause it.
		And then someone said, oh, my sweet summer child.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's hilarious.
		But I will say, I do think there's more to it than nostalgia.
		So you mentioned the filmmakers of the 70s, and I've heard it said that part of why Star Wars was so successful, and I'm not really much of a fan, but I've heard it argued part of why it was successful is because in that era in the 60s and 70s so much of what was being produced was depressing but also sort of morally ambiguous they didn't want to have a clear-cut good guy bad guy narrative but Star Wars leaned very heavily into that and now you see a lot of fans arguing online on Twitter that we need to have the Grey Jedi and
		This series needs to be more about moral ambiguity, even though a huge part of what made it successful was the fact that they were willing to draw clear lines between what's good and bad.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was kind of a story of Christ, Star Wars, the first one.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Luke was fighting against the Empire like Jesus did, and he had magic powers like Christ did and stuff like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a hero's journey.
		The hero's journey is very much.
		But I want to make a point, there's a meme where the NPC guy says, who radicalized you?
		And then the Chad guy says, I'm just a normal person from 10 years ago.
		A bunch of people on the left were like, see that proves you're conservative.
		And I'm just like, bro, top surgery for 14 year old girls?
		There's a big difference between being progressive and just like having no control.
		And my point was, the eugenics movement of the progressives in the 1900s died and was considered amoral or immoral and unethical.
		Just because you think, just because the progressives Think they're going to win doesn't mean their ideas are good.
		And just because you oppose them doesn't mean you're a conservative.
		Technically, I'd argue if you're a progressive, you hold values from the early 1900s.
		That sounds a bit conservative.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Artificial insemination is eugenics.
		I brought this up before and people messaged me and were like, thank you.
		That kind of got glazed over.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, unless you mate with the very first sexually available person you meet, then you're kind of a eugenicist.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, but I mean, Any selectivity at all is like, you're doing a little personal selectivity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But hold on, look at women going to sperm banks and then getting a catalogue of the males to choose from, right?
		So, I understand the argument that a woman will make her choices, but eugenics, I think, is better defined by preventing people from procreating.
		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's choosing who they procreate with.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Whether it's no one or...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Eugenics was about good breeding.
		The idea was that you would have the best possible breeding.
		Now obviously men and women both select their mates.
		So when a woman goes to a sperm bank and she's like, here's the catalog of men, it's like
		a guy wearing a suit, it's like IQ 145 and he's six figure salary.
		It's an extreme version of female selection, which I don't, it's like okay, it's a weird
		modernity thing.
		But I think eugenics is really sour and bad when it was like we must prevent this group
		from having kids or terminate the children that may have these traits.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the ugly head of eugenics, that's for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mate selection, I think, is normal and fine.
		You know, a woman's gonna be like, honestly, dude, you're like, I don't wanna have a baby with you.
		It's like, well, that's life.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It used to be, like, the parents would choose who the kids married for most of history, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we found that to be wrong.
		You know, we did away with eugenics in terms of parents choosing who their kids would marry and dowries and all that.
		And then we also decided you should stop people from having kids, which is what Margaret Sanger wanted to do.
		I mean, look, whatever you want to argue about from the left, they want to say she wasn't racially refined, but she did argue literally and fought very hard to stop certain people from having kids.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, she was absolutely racist and she was eugenicist.
		But I wouldn't argue that arranged marriage is eugenics because they were not selecting the partner for their child necessarily on the basis of something like genetic fitness.
		It could be this is a morally virtuous person and so I want my child to marry them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or the dad is rich.
unidentified		Yeah.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It depended on the choice of the parent.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They could be like, I want you to have the most beautiful wife, but usually it was for money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when it came to the royal families, they did not care for genetics at all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I wouldn't call that eugenics.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's about, um, land rights and stuff.
		They want the wife to have ownership.
		Like she's going to get the county of Brussels.
		So I'm going to marry her to the, my son who has the kingdom of England and then they'll consolidate power.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All these Kings in World War I were cousins?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So ridiculous.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's what I hear.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Before we go too far away from this Pizza Hut thing, Yum Food Brands was spun up to purchase KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut, and the top owners of Yum Food Brands are Vanguard, Black Rock at 4%, State Street at 4%, T-Row Price Associates.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I just wanna... When people say that meme reject modernity, embrace tradition, the one thing I will say I mentioned before, when you're a tourist in key parts of the world, and you come to the famous downtown area of some city in some faraway country, and it's McDonald's, Starbucks, Gucci, Hard Rock Cafe, you just throw up a little bit.
		You're just like, what is this?
		Is this it?
		The world will have nothing left to offer us?
		There's no adventure, there's no diversity.
		You know, the left talks about diversity all day and night, but I tell you, when I went to the Bahamas and I was like, I guess I'll go to Starbucks, I'm like, that's not fun.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The weird thing is when you're in another country and they only have like little like coffee shops where they make the coffee and they're burning the bean and it doesn't taste, you're like, oh, this is all, then you see a Starbucks.
		It's like an oasis in the desert.
		And you're like, I can get a standardized thing that I know what it's going to taste like.
		Thank God.
		And you go there and you get a real coffee, just exactly like it always tastes.
		And that's the upside of this dude.
		Standardization.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like I'm going to, I'll tell you this.
		If I am in some small, faraway country, and their burgers are weird and gross, I still will not go to McDonald's.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Not McDonald's.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Starbucks is decent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Starbucks is... Starbucks cold brew actually really good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think they have quality coffee.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I gotta do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Starbucks cold brew is good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		McDonald's though is trash.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't like Starbucks coffee though.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't think of Starbucks as fast food, really.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't ever eat their food, really.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		So I wanted to say before we move on for this Pizza Hut thing, I would think that nostalgia would be the one thing that would be truly bipartisan, that everybody of about the same age would really resonate with.
		But you were talking about the sinews that hold people together at a very low level.
		I think this is one of those things.
		The fact that we can't even agree on some kind of fond childhood memory is kind of crushing to watch.
		Like that's distressing that we don't even agree about that.
		What's wrong with us?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I, I think, uh, I think childhood today is being destroyed on purpose.
		I think we, as millennials, have a kind of shared experience in these cultural phenomena from when we were little, like Book It and Pizza Hut.
		So when Jack Posobiec posts the Red Cups and the Little Pan Pizzas, many of us go, I remember that.
		Even if it was just one time you went because your school gave you those little things, like if you read enough books, the teacher would sign off and then Pizza Hut would give you a little free pizza so you'd get it.
		That's a shared cultural experience.
		Now what do we have?
		The shared cultural experience is all like the weird stuff kids are being taught in schools.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I was just about to bring that up.
		I mean, childhood has in some way been redistributed to adults.
		So we've extended adolescence as far as we possibly could.
		I mean, maybe not as far as we possibly could.
		We're probably pushing to extend it even further.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've been saying this.
		They want, they, they, they are, um, preventing adulthood.
		That's what's happening, whether intentional or not.
		Puberty blockers preventing adulthood.
		Millennials have 3%.
		Fact check me on this one, but there's a meme going around.
		It's like millennials have 3% of U S wealth and boomers have 21%.
		It's the poorest generation in history.
		And, uh, I think it's because boomers are living longer.
		And I think it's because millennials were poorly raised.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that's a huge part of it.
		I also think that it's the case that when you look at the way children are raised today, I sort of mentioned that we've redistributed childhood, right?
		Because we prolong adolescence.
		But on top of that, it's not as if we give to children what was traditionally given to them.
		So at a very young age, 8, 9, 10 years old, a kid is handed a smartphone.
		Which is a tool for an adult to use, but they just use it to do unrestrained, irresponsible things.
		And then they continue to do that until they're 30, instead of using this tool for something productive.
		So it's very strange and it's a rejection of responsibility, sadly, and no culture can function once that becomes the status quo.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's poll the audience in a way that unashamedly promotes the show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Smash the like button if you think kids should not have cell phones.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		I've been thinking a lot about this because we talk about kids getting access to the internet.
		What age should they get access to the internet?
		And what's it going to do to their brain to have all that information blasted at me?
		And then I started thinking, you know what?
		That happened to me when I was 26 years old.
		I got on YouTube and people started hitting me with all this information.
		So I started looking up the Federal Reserve, fiat currency, the Bank of International Settlements, the American war machine, liberal economic order.
		And I'm like, wow, we're not...
		I went insane.
		Society would have classified me as insane.
		I was completely destroyed mentally and had to rebuild what I thought I was.
		That's happening to kids when they're 5, 7, 8.
		And it's happening to adults when they're 60.
		So this internet's danger, man.
		It's the danger zone.
		It's a minefield for the mind.
		We gotta treat it like that.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it subverts this process of growing up, right?
		Like, we were talking before the show about this plan I have for my kids, where I'm gonna have, like, a library, and there's gonna be bookshelves full of books so that the kids grow up and they're just used to there being books all around.
		And my plan is, like, the books at the very bottom, those are gonna be kids' books.
		You get up a little higher, a little higher, a little higher, those are gonna be the ones where I can tell my kid, you're not ready for that yet.
		And they're going to be like, Oh, I want that book.
		Now, that's something that happened like with all of childhood back in the day is
		there were things that you were not old enough for yet that you don't get to see
		that you don't get to experience that yet.
		You're just not old enough.
		You're not at that point.
		And it creates that sort of yearning to mature and grow up.
		And now because of smartphones and just the permissiveness of the way we raise
		kids, you're seven years old.
		You can see anything.
		You can do anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am shocked and offended by how you describe what your children will be reading.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, the only things they should be allowed to read are Harry Potter and the Handmaid's Tale.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What was the joke?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We're making a we're gonna synthesize them and do a reboot that lefties will really pay money for it's gonna be called Harry Handmade Harry Handmade and the Sorcerer's Tale something like that Philosopher's Tale I like this idea that you're gonna have books for your kids and if you I one time my dad was was telling I was in the bathtub I was like six or something or seven and he started to tell me a joke and he was like I I'll tell you when you're older.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, no!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He was like, I'll tell you when you're older.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		And then it's like a rite of passage when he finally tells you.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		You're like, oh, I've arrived.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, 15 years went by and I asked him, what was that joke you were going to tell me?
		And he was like, I don't remember what you're talking about.
		So make sure they get a chance to read the books.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When I was little, we had cable.
		And the cable box, man, I remember this is crazy, had parental lock on it.
		Four digit code.
		And whenever we wanted to watch Beavis and Butthead, my mom had to be like, only if I'm there.
		And I decide you're allowed to watch it.
		Because some of those episodes of Beeps and Buttons, not for little kids, but some of them are just hilarious.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's something my dad said to me when I was growing up, which is that, and he was referring to the television, but this is the first time in human history that people let complete strangers into their house to teach their children things without any kind of filter.
		And when you put it that way, it becomes clear just how alarming this situation is.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is this millennials doing it?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
unidentified		Millennials?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, my dad is referring, no, he was referring to his own generation and the fact that they sit their kids in front of the television or don't police what they're watching.
		They don't filter any of it.
		And so it's very, very sad.
		It's very sad.
		And there are so many horrible things kids get into at an early age.
		I mean, we're not just talking about bad political theories or horrible advice.
		Children end up seeing pornography at a very early age and it warps them.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Dude, when I was in seventh grade, We had that one kid that every male friend group has who was like the pervert kid, right?
		And he brought a couple of his dad's Playboys to school one time.
		And everybody who found out about it was like, oh my god, he's got a couple Playboys!
		And then he got caught by the teacher and we were like, well, he's dead.
		I mean, he's clearly going to be executed on the playground, like his life is completely over.
		And it's like, now, today, little Johnny brings a cell phone to school, and you got to explain to your six-year-old what X, Y, and Z are.
		That's terrifying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And instead of being like, kids shouldn't have cell phones, you have these teachers being like, kids have questions.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we're going to answer them and show them graphic pictures.
		I love it.
		The Washington Post's, right, that op-ed where it's like, it's a book about being genderqueer and kids need these stories.
		And it's being banned now.
		And then Amazon's like, 18 and up only because it's got graphic depictions of adult activities in it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, and they would not put the actual images from the book in their publication because they knew they were too depraved.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But they were arguing that children should be shown those images in public schools.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's how you know they're creeps.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they know what's in the book and they're lying.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's really remarkable, actually, if you go back to the late 60s, how many of the radicals from that era, after they got done being, you know, fake revolutionaries, went into early elementary education or like went into the educational training.
		You have guys like like Daniel Cohn-Bendit out in France.
		He was a big revolutionary 68 guy out there.
		And afterwards, he went and opened a kindergarten.
		And then he wrote a memoir about it a few years after that.
		And he talked about like in the mid 70s, Talking about how you know there's all of this sexual repression
		is what leads to fascism and the authoritarian personality and everything
		And so if he caught like a couple of his kids like fondling each other or something
		He would just sit there and like talk to him while they did it and make sure they were comfortable
		Sometimes they would come up and touch him. Why this guy this guy became like a politician in France. Nobody cared
		They it got brought up sometime in the late 90s. They tried to like use it against him and nobody cared
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So, I've mentioned this on the show before, but there's a disgusting pervert by the name of Alfred Kinsey, and he is known as the father of the sexual revolution, he is the father of sexology, or the modern scientific field of studying human sexuality, and in his published works, he had data tables that were collected by sexually abusing young boys, and this had been done to over 200 minors, boys under the age of 15, including infants, I won't explain what the data tables say on air.
		It's really disgusting.
		But so much of this stuff is completely out in the open.
		And the Boomer Generation is comedic in a sense because I remember growing up watching movies that the Boomer Generation made about how heroic the Boomer Generation was.
		And there's this idea that they were these brave revolutionaries because their parents, who had just lived through the Great Depression and then fought in the Second World War, came home and said, you know, like, we have some advice on how the world works and you should listen to us.
		And they said, screw you, mom and dad!
		I'm gonna have one night stands and listen to rock and roll!
		And this is considered this really brave and important revolution.
		It was just a bunch of spoiled children.
		It was just a bunch of spoiled children completely tarnishing and squandering their inheritance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to bring up this, uh, this tweet here.
		It's from me!
		me. There's a tweet from Stonewall Jackson I responded to where he says,
		this is so pathetic. The new Star Trek show depicts what appears to be the
		January 6th protests leading to the end of the world and the human race as we
		know it. I actually I I find the clip from the new Star Trek show very
		interesting. They call January 6th a fight for freedom.
		Yeah, no, no.
		So, um, I don't know if we can play it because, you know, they're very litigious here on YouTube.
		But he says it started with a fight for freedom, shows Audit the Vote in January 6, and then the protests from the summer.
		And he says it ultimately led to the Eugenics War, and then finally World War III, where hundreds of thousands of species were wiped out.
		But hold on there a minute.
		Is that not plausible?
		It starts with a fight for freedom, so they describe.
		January 6th, they show.
		Kind of crazy they would call January 6th a fight for freedom, but sure.
		Led to the eugenics wars.
		Well, hold on.
		What's happening right now?
		Roe v. Wade is being banned, and the left is going to the homes of Supreme Court justices, and there's a pro-life nonprofit at a Molotov cocktail thrown through its window, reportedly.
		That's the accusation.
		And several pro-life pregnancy centers were vandalized.
		In this show, or maybe they didn't realize it, it makes sense.
		It's plausible.
		In today's day and age, a eugenics war?
		Yeah, the abortion issue.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's kind of poorly written because if there was really, because then they go, it led to the, which led to civil war, which then led to war.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, he says ultimately World War III.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ultimately World War III.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What he would really be saying is then China and the United States, and he'd talk about World War, stuff leading up to it is forgotten.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, hold on.
		I think this actually works.
		Let me break it down for you.
		You've got January 6th, a fight for freedom, as he calls it.
		You then have, you know, people are fighting, tensions are rising.
		Roe v. Wade gets overturned, and then all of a sudden you have blue states outright saying abortion, even in Virginia, after birth.
		And the media will claim it's not true, but we all heard what Northam said.
		The baby would be delivered, resuscitated if that's what they wanted, kept comfortable, and then a conversation would happen.
		Which basically means what?
		Fine.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What's the conversation about?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's just say, well, he wasn't specific.
		Colorado, limitless, no restricted abortion.
		Could this lead to a conflict which is about whether or not some people should not have kids or should?
		It's happening.
		How could it then become World War III?
		He may be oversimplifying it.
		But the political conflict inside the United States could ultimately result in a unipolar world destabilizing, China expanding in various countries, Russia expanding in Eastern Europe, the U.S.
		still trying to maintain unipolar dominance, and then World War III.
		I think it's fascinating they wrote this through it, but I will start with the point where they describe January 6th as a fight for freedom.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think, and I'm sure you know this, I appreciate your analysis, but obviously they were trying to smear the right, more or less put it on conservatives.
		You really don't think so?
		You think they're trying to be neutral?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In what way could you, he literally shows January 6th as a fight for freedom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How could you in any way say he's trying to smear them?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think when you look at the track record of Hollywood and their analysis of current events, they tend to come down on the side of the left.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And I would also argue that for a television show to explicitly say they were in favor of what happened on January 6th would basically be suicide.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You would have said it started with disinformation riling up disaffected citizens into believing their country was stolen from them and rioting, which sparked a civil war.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, he said a fight for freedom.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think January 6th wasn't a fight.
		There was a few people that got into it, maybe, but it wasn't.
		It was just a protest.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he was talking about the feds and he's like, those feds were fighting for freedom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It does then show Summer of Love stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, so.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So, also, it's possible, you know, they write the dialogue and then the editor ends up placing certain images over the dialogue that the writer might not have intended.
		But you know, I kinda, I think I agree with you Ian about the point that it's a little bit lazy.
		So it's not abnormal for a science fiction show about the future to comment on current events or at least contemporary culture, but to do it in a really over the top way like this seems really lazy.
		Instead of creating an allegory for it or having characters in the future present a situation you might be more detached from than the current event, they are literally showing things that happened today and commenting on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a rip-off of a Star Trek episode where Data asks about terrorism, because they visit a planet where there are terrorists.
		And then he mentions, Data says, I don't understand some elements of their conduct.
		You know, we say it's wrong to do these things, but it's actually been quite successful for many groups.
		And then he mentions Mexico, Ireland, and then he mentions a fictitious 2020, you know, 2022, or 2220-something event, Star Trek World.
		And basically what Data does is he asks a question about terrorism using real historical elements and then a fictitious sci-fi element from the future we haven't encountered yet.
		It seems to be the exact same thing they're doing.
		It's lazy.
		It's very lazy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's video footage from last year, too.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Which is, that's why I watch Star Trek.
		That's why I watch sci-fi shows about the future.
		I want to see video footage from last year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Laziness.
		But, I don't know.
		I find it fascinating.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I wonder, you know, Laziness or short-sightedness or like a lack of creativity on the or a political underhanded move.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think you can.
		I mean, I haven't seen the clip, but I don't think you can put a January 6 clip in that context on a show without it being a political decision.
		I mean, I think that's something that's done on purpose.
unidentified		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it also shows that George Floyd's right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And of course, this kind of thing affects re-watchability.
		People will go back and re-watch episodes of TNG or the original series.
		I really don't think people are going to be going back and re-watching this 15-20 years from now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not many of them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not watching it the first time.
unidentified		I'm a huge Star Trek fan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what it is?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They hired a bunch of people who hate Star Trek to write Star Trek.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is this the one with Stacey Abrams?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She made an appearance as the president of the planets or something?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was Discovery, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Stacey Abrams, the president of Earth.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, political Star Trek trash again.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They have a politician as a character.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, you mentioned this earlier.
		We were talking before the show about the late-night TV and how they're, in the key demo, we actually rival some late-night television shows, which is actually really bad for them because they used to get 20 million views.
		And the funny thing is, you mentioned how older people watch those shows.
		They used to watch it every night, but now all of a sudden they're being made fun of.
		This is the funny thing.
		Like Jimmy Kimmel, for instance, in like the late night, the people who are who are watching CNN, the people who are watching these shows, the overall majority are like 60 to 70 years old.
		And they're trying to make the politics of these shows fit a millennial leftist or progressive worldview.
		And it's like, well, that's not the boomer generation.
		So your show used to actually attract tens of millions of people in the boomer generation.
		You've decided to sacrifice all of that for millennials who consume digital media.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They should just be making a new show.
		They should keep that show with older hosts to keep talking to the older crowd that was young in the 80s when David Letterman was in his 30s.
		And then they should have a new show, but they're competing for time slots, which is also archaic because people watch stuff on YouTube at any time of day.
		You don't need it.
		Stuff's on demand now.
		People, industry, I don't know, I don't want to make a generalization about industry being slow to adopt the hot new thing, but the entertainment industry sure is.
		They were still making me mail headshots in, in like 2008, because sending a digital thing was apparently just, they just didn't under, it was too new, so it wasn't good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are we just, uh, going through the natural progression of old fogeyism?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where we're like, It was better when I was a kid!
unidentified		Yeah, man, I mean, I'm 27, but I'm already there.
unidentified		I didn't hear you say these kids today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember, uh, the Simpsons thing where Abe is talking to a young Homer, and he's like, It'll happen to you too!
		He's like, I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was.
		Now what it is is scary to me.
		It'll happen to you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think children today are smarter than the previous generation intellectually, and their minds work quicker.
		And that's the natural progression of evolution.
		But emotionally, we're experiencing some challenges because of the disconnectedness of the technology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I was thinking, though?
		I wonder if that's true.
		Because I know kids today are still very much passionate about capturing small animals and forcing them to fight each other.
		Yeah, yeah.
		I went to a bowling alley arcade the other day, and all the kids just love forcing animals to fight.
		You know, brutally just beat each other.
		And tons of Pokemon toys everywhere.
		Yeah.
		I grew up with Pokemon.
		I remember when it first started in America, and I bought Pokemon Red on the original Game Boy with money I made at my family's cafe from tips.
		And today, kids are still very much watching Pokemon, and the toys are like the big prize at the arcade were Pokemon stuff.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I was talking to somebody, I guess a couple months ago now.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Did you know there are Pokemon cards that get sold for a half a million dollars?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I used to own a ton of them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know it was that much.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Gary V is a big proponent of it.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		He had to show me on his phone.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I did not believe him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The funny thing is, like, having owned so many foil first edition Pokemon cards, and then just like having lost them or sold them, now it's like a laughable when I'm like, that's how much they're going for these days?
unidentified		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because the printing run was so low?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know because look, you know, millennials are broke, right?
		Millennials are relatively poor.
		So who cares that much about Pokemon other than nostalgic millennials?
		So I guess there's a spattering of wealthy millennials who are like, I would like to buy a Charizard for a million bucks.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's gotta just be speculators in the market, right?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's like a Pokemon fan who's like, I've gotta have that card.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's some dude who's like, there's like a Gen Z. I mean, uh,
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He mowed a lot of lawns that summer and he needed that Pokemon card.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no. Think about it. If you're, if you're Gen Z right now,
		it is a great bet to buy old Pokemon cards because once the boomers age out
		and then millennials inherit a lot of this wealth.
		You're gonna have a bunch of nostalgic, rich, 60-year-old millennials, and you're gonna be in your mid-40s, and you're gonna be like, you want that Charizard?
		I got it.
		And that $100,000 is gonna be $10 million.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		That theme that you just talked about, about millennials not having any money, has come up a couple times, and it seems like that's one of the threads that kind of ties everything together politically and socially right now, right?
		Where if you go back to the late 60s again, middle-aged people were looking at the colleges, looking at the youth movement, and they were like, oh my god.
		when these people take over our society like actually go out and get into authority positions like we're just I guess we're just done this is the end of America the end of the world and of course it turned out not to be that way because those people got out of college and they got jobs and bought houses and had kids and then once you get to that point you kind of care about what your community is going to be like in 10 years you care about what kind of schools your kids are going to and you be that's another way of saying you basically become a conservative in a lot of important like dispositional ways You look at the millennial generation.
		And so what happens, right?
		So every like 25 years or so is like when that happens in the past.
		You get to about 25, maybe late 20s.
		By that point, your parents are starting to be like, are you not going to get married yet?
		Like what's going on?
		There was that, that was the timing of it.
		The millennials has had like that, that period, that young person period has had so much more room to run because they're in their mid to late thirties and they're not able to get married and have kids and buy houses or create a stable career.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's it.
		You know, I've heard a lot from millennials where they're like, we'd be getting married and having kids if it wasn't for this economy.
		And I'm like, I don't believe it.
		I just, I just think that's an excuse.
		I think people are just permanent children.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, the economy is in a horrific state.
		When Obama bailed out Freddie May and Freddie Mac, and when we all found out we were on fiat currency and not the gold standard in 2007, everybody got the red pill.
		That was like, oh, and now we're, what are we just, are we in hyperinflation right now?
		I don't know if you'd call it hyperinflation, but we've just almost doubled our money supply.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll call myself out outright.
unidentified		I'm 36.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am not married.
		I'm in a relationship, but we have no kids.
		There is something about millennials where it just, it didn't happen.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, but values change to accommodate reality, right?
		I mean, like, you know, I just think about I was just ahead of this curve.
		I guess I got lucky for that.
		But if you're about 35, about your age, you basically got out of high school.
		9-11 happens.
		We've been at war ever since you've been anything like an adult.
		Right.
		And.
		The only politics that you've known is people screaming at each other, calling each other Nazis, and so forth, and that's it.
		That's our politics as far as, since you've ever been paying attention to politics, that's what it's been.
		You just get out of college, and like the year or two after you get out of college, the financial crisis hits.
		And things are just a waste for several years.
		You finally start to maybe get back on your feet in your mid-thirties, and you're starting to put something together, COVID hits.
		Like, this is just an incredible amount of instability for any generation to handle.
		You know, the millennials are going to be the first generation in American history that has a lower standard of living than their parents do.
		And you cannot overstate, I think, how significant that is, right?
		Because it's not just like, oh, my parents had a house that was this big and I only get a house this big.
		What people relate it to, like what their basic standard of what a life should look like is how things were when they were growing up.
		And so you have an entire generation of people who in the aggregate grew up a certain way and are starting to realize and understand that they are going to take a step back from where that was.
		And that's, you know, it's not a it's not some like huge mystery why we get Bernie Sanders at a time like this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's this viral video about pod housing where people, these companies will buy like a decently large loft and then stack up like five little cubes and then five on top and you crawl into this little, it's probably five feet wide, no four feet wide Four feet high, and you crawl into your little mat on the floor with your TV and your art, and that's your pod.
		Everyone shares the kitchen and bathrooms.
		And there's videos of these millennials being like, it's just so awesome.
		It's only $800 per month.
		And it's just like, oh no, for real.
		You want to live in some of these cities, man.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's only four a month with a roommate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're gonna get communism.
		You're gonna get little hippie houses, buildings, where there's gonna be like 50 millennials all living in it and they're sharing their kids.
		Like, their kids are gonna be just communal kids, I mean.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I saw a tweet, and I need to verify this one, but I believe it was from the World Economic Forum, and it showed young people about our age living in a tiny house, and it said, if you own a big house, you're racist.
		You need to own a small house.
		You need to own nothing and be happy about it.
		And I was telling my dad about this when he came out a little while ago.
		I said, Dad, I feel a great sense of almost resentment, but very much a sense of missing something that we never had, because I know now that the American dream that I grew up with is not something that I will ever see.
		I will never see my white picket fence.
		That's not something that I'm ever going to have.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the American dream was based on imperialism and war.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't a real thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think one of the issues is I also think millennials are the first generation of mass debt college students.
		I don't think Gen X, for the most part, was inundated the same way the millennials were.
		The boomers certainly weren't.
		So one of the issues is, I believe, when I grew up, every single adult was like, you have to go to college.
		And I would just be like, why?
		And they would be like, because otherwise you won't get a good job.
		And then I'm just like, I don't understand.
		Well, I've told this story before.
		I read an op-ed from an economist, I think he worked under Clinton, where he said that if you went to any investor and said, you give me $40,000 in an investment and in four years you will owe me $40,000 plus interest and that's it.
		They would laugh in your face.
		That's the stupidest investment I've ever heard of.
		But this is what we're telling every 18 year old to do, to take out a loan with interest
		that gets them no guarantees.
		They don't know why they're going to college, they don't know where they're going to work
		when they get out, and a bunch of these millennials went in for liberal arts.
		And now they're slammed with debt, confused.
		But we had the boomer generation, I tell you man, they were screaming in my ears.
		they would shut up about it.
		So now you have an entire generation settled with
		impossible debt, just hating the system, all the problems
		you mentioned with war, with the financial collapse, the
		security state.
		And they've just, I think they've just lost the ability
		to function in any meaningful way relative to the past
		generations.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I think he hit on a good point.
		It is something I really worry about, right, which is maybe
		there are no economic policies that we're going to have or
		anything that are actually going to get things back to
		where they were in the 50s and and 60s, you know?
		Maybe all of that was just a relic of the fact that the entire world got destroyed and deindustrialized in World War II, except for us, and they all needed American labor and American capital.
		You know, we're 5% of the world's population, we got 30% of the world's resources flowing into the Imperial Center, and maybe that was just never sustainable.
		And you just wonder, like, even if, you know, we're 5% of the world's population, if we only got 15% instead of 30% of the world's resources, we're still...
		like probably at the top of the heap.
		I don't think we could handle, I think there would be a violent revolution
		if we had to take a 50% cut in our standard of living in this country, you know?
		And so maybe it was never something sustainable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think people just gotta learn to go live in the middle of nowhere.
		And a lot of people who live in the middle of nowhere are like, no, you're gonna ruin the middle of nowhere.
		Don't tell him to come here.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, but that's the difficulty, right?
		Like, I remember when the Yellow Vest protests were going on in France and I read an article by one of the leaders of it.
		And the thing he said was, and this is true in France, it's true in the United States to a large degree, is that the places that you actually have to go to work are becoming increasingly concentrated in like a few urban centers.
		Those places are becoming impossible to actually live because they're so expensive because everybody has to go there.
		It's like you can, I mean, there's probably more, you know, jobs out in the middle of nowhere if you're willing to be an electrician or a plumber or something like that instead of, you know, but, you know, we've spent just God knows how many hours and how many dollars of propaganda to convince people that that makes them a failure in their life if they end up doing that, so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, one of the biggest challenges as we're trying to build this new studio is, you know, we're trying to find a local expert in folklore mythology, but we just can't find any!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, if only there was someone who can come and read us the ancient words that could help us... I have no idea how to help build our facility.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		If only they can do like a feminist analysis of the Epic of Gilgamesh.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You'll find that person.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That would actually be a good bit we should do where it's like, you know, in order to get the new studio built, we had to bring in a feminist interpretive dancer.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like you said, Parliament thing, like European Parliament where they're just dancing and it's like, Oh, I think regarding what you said about standard of living, that was interesting that this would be the first generation to have a standard of living less than the generation before.
		And I wonder maybe financially, I agree with you financially for sure.
		That's what it looks like.
		But my parents' generation got drafted into Vietnam, destroyed their standard of living.
		I mean, annihilated the entire generation.
		It ruined their lives.
		And World War I annihilated the entire generation.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Give him a little more time with Russia.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We'll see what happens.
		Yeah, so that's why I'm so anti-war.
		If you think that even considering a war right now is any benefit, you've got to understand what countries do with large uneducated and un... What do you call when they don't have a job?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Unemployed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Unemployed masses.
		What countries do with those people, they send them to war to die so they don't have to feed them and take care of them.
		So you do not want to push for a war.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I think you made a very interesting point about America sort of stepping in after the Second World War and becoming this economic powerhouse, and I hadn't considered that before.
		And I want to give it some thought, but another point I like to make when it comes to the change in the standard of living is the fact that The workforce really became oversaturated because we doubled the labor supply once we decided that rather than a sole breadwinner, rather than the father representing the family unit economically and working, we were going to have both parents work because that was somehow, you know, woman's liberation.
		We ended up in a position where your average worker now had half the negotiating power.
		And so I think that's been seriously detrimental to this country.
		But ultimately, whether you're talking about, you know, a crony capitalist system or a capitalist system, which is not managed virtuously or a communist system.
		In the end, you have a really horrific situation where your average person does not have property and therefore no investment in the system.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this whole BlackRock owning property thing's got to go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's just let's just start from step one.
		And this isn't a value statement or a moral statement.
		Women largely enter the workforce around starting in the 70s and the late 70s, right?
		That's when we you know, so so I mean, for our parents generation, it was like they were young adults, like all of a sudden women were getting jobs.
		You know, for me, I grew up, it was always the case.
		But once women are in the workforce, You now have both men and women focused on the breadwinning aspect of life and no familial aspect of life.
		So who's going to raise the kids?
		Well, daycare becomes a question.
		They now say we need businesses to offer daycare for our kids or public schooling.
		The government has to replace the family.
		And that is not going to work out well for anybody.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's this slow creep where, like Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, talked about this with technology, how a car is invented.
		And it's like, wow, now I can get a car and I can drive wherever I want.
		I could only walk or ride my bike before.
		Now I can drive.
		I have the freedom of the road.
		Let a little bit of time go by.
		And now, having a car is not an option.
		You have to have a car to survive in our society at all, and you're commuting 45 minutes to work every day, stuck in traffic, and you have no choice.
		It's kind of similar here.
		Like, oh wow, women can go out and get a career.
		They can go out and get jobs now.
		Well, give it a couple years and now women have to get jobs.
		Both parents have to work just to survive because wages have stagnated and costs have gone up.
		It has a way of working like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I never hear the left talk about that.
		They always show these graphs where it's like, I wonder what happened in 1979.
		And then I see this meme where it's like labor unions started losing power.
		And I'm like, it's true, but you double the workforce and your bargaining power gets cut in half overnight.
		And not just that, but you've got, you've got somebody who's, you know, running a business and they say to the guy, so tell me about your family.
		It's like, oh, my wife works here and you know, we're planning this and this and I need X amount of dollars.
		Like your wife's got a job.
		You don't need that much money.
		Like the collective salary between you and your wife is going to be 75K.
		You're fine.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think the expectation is that you're going to be a dual-income household, and so you don't need to be paid a wage that would be sufficient for supporting a family.
		And just to clarify something I said earlier, I said that people who don't have property don't have a stake in the system.
		I misspoke.
		They don't have as much of a stake.
		There's still a stake in the system, but they are much easier to control.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is the phrase, Dink?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that it?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Dual income, no kids.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right, though.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Easier to bully.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think there's some inve- like, because I don't want to- I think property is very important, but I also, I don't want to say, like, if somebody has no property, then, like, they're not doing things that could be selfless or beneficial to the system.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's not just property, though.
		It's stability.
		Yeah.
		Like, you know, I've seen every time I go into an airport, I see like a Fast Company magazine, one of those like new hip business magazines.
		And it always have like some kind of cover article they do.
		It's one of those recurring articles that they do again and again in different, you know, slightly different ways.
		And it says like how For this generation, you know, the young generation, the young people coming up today are going to change careers six times throughout their lives and that the skill of the future isn't going to be like mastering some skill.
		It's going to be mastering the art of learning so that you can go through these changes like smoothly.
		And it's like, well, OK, like if you're some super high IQ person with like a good start, you know, in your early 20s and you kind of like knew what you were doing and you got off on a good start, good for you.
		But what happens when you change careers six times throughout your life?
		That's six times maybe you have to move?
		Six times that your friends get changed.
		Eventually that just becomes... I mean, I went to like 35 different schools between kindergarten and twelfth grade, and by third grade I just learned, like, don't make friends.
		It's a pointless exercise, right?
		And so people learn.
		You know, don't get too attached to the place you live.
		Don't get too sentimental about the people you meet there.
		And so I think there is a loss of investment, you know, and then what what they end up doing is as maybe as a replacement, a prosthetic for that, is they displace that sort of social concern that they have onto some, you know, broad social issues on the federal level or something like that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think that can absolutely happen.
		I think that can absolutely happen.
		And you made a point earlier about how we couldn't come in and just cut everyone's standard of living in half.
		I was mentioning communism, and of course I believe that communism is an unbelievably horrific, barbaric system.
		I mean, it's not just a matter of people not having property.
		I mean, they slaughter people.
		But, at the same time, if a communist regime were to be instilled in the United States and they were to tell people, you know, you have to live in a pod now, it would be much more of a struggle than to just erode the economic independence of the American people over time to the point where they say, a pod, that's a really great deal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or van life.
unidentified		Mmm, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I remember when, uh, that there was this woman on YouTube who was po- she posted, like, two van life videos and gained, like, three million subs overnight.
		Because there was apparently some glitch in the algorithm where she hit all these key points, and so YouTube's algorithm just showed her videos to literally everyone.
		So she makes, like, two videos with three million subs.
		But I- it made me- made me think of a potential conspiracy.
		That YouTube was intentionally promoting van life as a way of making millennials happy, being happy with owning nothing?
		For real, think about what happened.
		So when this van life trend was going around in like 2018, all these people are on YouTube and they're like, I live in a van, I can go wherever I want, I got no rent, I got a computer and my dog and we're going surfing.
		And then they post these videos where they're playing that song by, I think it's by Avicii.
		He said one day you'll leave here.
		Or whatever that song is, it's like on repeat.
		And they're all like running and like filming themselves.
unidentified		Life is so good living in a van down by the river!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I just, I was like, I wonder if YouTube's promoting that because they want people to own nothing and be happy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then all of a sudden we got that video from the World Economic Forum that said, you will own nothing and you'll be happy.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I will not live in the pod.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I will not eat the boat.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's tough to tell because it's like calling it, what does YouTube want?
		It's monolithic.
		Corporations don't have wants, but certain people within the corporations may very well have that in mind.
		I would think that most people involved hadn't thought about that or thought that far ahead.
		It almost seemed like the dream, the American dream, is so prevalent that people had bought it at that point.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well no, I think regardless, even if it's not the case that there's an algorithmic push to direct people towards this kind of content, Our generation I would say generations prior have really been slowly sold this idea that Independence is the most important thing you can possibly have right so commitment and productivity are Significantly less important than being able to do whatever you want whenever you want and it's true that if you are just living out of a comfortable van
		You're not tied down anywhere.
		You don't have as high of expenses.
		It's much easier for you to travel.
		I'm not saying it's a preferable way to live, but it is the way to live that we have been sold.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maintaining these vans is not easy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They can't drive.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But maintaining a house is really difficult.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I would say maintaining a van is probably a lot less expensive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Um, but if you're, if you're living in a van, I don't know if you're gonna have the kind of job that's going to be, you know, unless you're one of these van life YouTubers.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, my whole point is there's a lifestyle, whether it's, there's a lifestyle that's been sold to us, which is that independence is the most important thing.
		It is far more important, as I said, than productivity or commitment, building something in the longterm.
		What matters is you can pick up and leave and do whatever you want, whenever you want.
		And so it's unsurprising that it's such a huge drag.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's go to Super Chats!
		If you have not already, give that like button a decent smashing and head over to TimCast.com where we're going to have a members-only show coming up at 11 p.m.
		tonight.
		You're not going to want to miss it.
		It'll be fun.
		And don't forget to share the show if you really do like it.
		Let's read what all of these Super Chats are about.
		Something about people starting farms with a bunch of farm animals?
		They want to buy a bunch of mules or something.
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what that is.
		How many?
		2,000, I think.
		2,000 mules?
		2,000 mules.
		Yeah, something about that.
		I wonder what they do with them.
		Anyway, Amanda Diltz.
		Is that what it says?
		Diltz?
		Please, please wish my daughter Riley a happy birthday.
		She turned four yesterday and was so excited to get her Step on Snack dress like her three other siblings.
		Oh, that's awesome.
		We made onesies, right?
		I think.
		Step on Snack and find out onesies.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Riley?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indoctrinate your kids with liberty.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Riley, it's for Riley's birthday?
		Riley, happy birthday.
		Happy birthday, Riley.
		Oh, that's awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		says, Blue-haired FUBA wants to do a sex strike.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Alright!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
		Joe Burns says, Hey Tim, have you considered making Sesame Street-like kids TV show starring Ian and puppet versions of Chicken City Chickens with a hidden ongoing joke that is high on DMT the whole time?
		That's a good idea!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So... Ian's Breakthrough?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The show is, you're the one... It's just called Breakthrough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's too sci-fi.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's gotta be called Chicken City with, you know, kids.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, that's a good idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Chicken City Kids.
		And then it's you, and there's puppet chickens, and they're like, hey Ian, 2 plus 2 equals 4.
		And then you're like, whoa.
		And then like, the intro to the show is always a DMT trip, but kids don't get it, so it's just like, you like... The chickens are walking around like normal chickens, but then all of a sudden they start talking to you.
		Oh, that's a good idea.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		You watch it when you grow up and then you realize.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's like watching old Looney Tunes and you realize how racist they are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right?
		Alright, so I think it's funny that people are like, the lead story is 2,000 mules.
		Why would you talk about it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think, full disclosure, I didn't see it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I haven't seen it, you know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was Mother's Day.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you guys see it?
unidentified		It's preoccupying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know a little bit about it.
		We'll talk a little bit about it.
		Colt says, have you watched 2,000 mules?
		If so, what were your thoughts?
		I have not yet seen it.
		But I do know a little bit about it from reading the news.
		I know that the mainstream media is basically saying it's all fake news.
		And one of the criticisms that Dinesh D'Souza brought up is they're saying there was GPS data tracking people who are dropping off multiple ballots.
		This is the allegation.
		And the mainstream media is like, GPS data is not precise enough, except there are many stories from the mainstream media about how GPS data is actually quite precise.
		So it's like, it definitely seems like there's a double standard.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		It's been used in murder trials.
		GPS data?
		Yeah, and that serial show.
		You remember the first season of Serial?
		They talked about a big part of it was the GPS data from his phone.
		Like, was he in this location?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let's see.
		Will S. says, First Super Chat after more than a year of listening.
		Friday with Daryl was an incredible disappointment, but I don't want to give up.
		Please invite him back on for more of what he did with the clan and maybe a debate with Seoul.
		I was thinking about the conversation we had with Daryl Davis and I think what a lot of people realized for the first time The story of Daryl Davis is about a blues musician who befriended members of the Klan and other white supremacists and convinced them, inadvertently as it was, he was the impetus by which they gave up being white supremacists.
		I think for many people who are anti-identitarian, they heard the story and assumed that he convinced them not to be racists.
		But upon hearing the identitarian opinions of Daryl Davis, I think a lot of people all of a sudden felt like, hey, how can this be?
		I thought he was convincing, you know, identitarians not to want race policy, but he was very much heavily advocating for race policy.
		I think the issue is Daryl Davis didn't de-radicalize members of the Klan away from racism.
		He de-radicalized them away from white identitarianism.
		Meaning it was easy for them to replace the racism they already had with another form of it because it was very similar.
		They were like, oh, okay, racial discrimination in this way makes sense, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's possible, yeah.
		I thought a couple things with Daryl is like, first, the story of Daryl Davis is bridging the gap.
		It's not about believing the same thing as the other person.
		It's about bridging the gap.
		And so there's a generation gap and there's also the race gap.
		And that's a conversation that's not going to be had in two hours.
		And yeah, we should definitely do it again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, I wondered because we've had conversations and we've seen interviews with Daryl before where these issues haven't come up the way they did on this show.
		So some people were saying that he had been radicalized.
		And perhaps the rise of critical race theory and the things he was quoting are relatively new phenomenon in modern political context.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And you could argue that they're created in order to radicalize or at least proliferated in order to radicalize.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it was interesting.
		He was wrong.
		He kept saying that the U.S.
		never apologized for slavery, but you brought up in 2008, NPR reported that Congress did apologize for slavery.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was an official apology for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there were several, actually.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		My life is an apology.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let me make the world better for you and your friends.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we made a lot of money tonight from people saying, please see 2000 Mules, the movie.
		So the general idea is that there were, in five key states, several people who they tracked GPS data on that showed them going to Dropboxes multiple times.
		But several... I've seen... So again, I don't want to... I don't want to criticize too much because I haven't seen it yet, but I will check it out.
		Interesting questions being raised.
		And I think that's fair.
		I think that's it.
		A lot of people are like, you can't bring it up, you'll get banned.
		I'm not.
		I don't think 2000 Mules... My understanding from what I've already seen in the news and in media commentary is that it raises certain questions and requests an answer, and then asks people to look into the footage and the evidence because there's a large amount of videos that need to be gone through.
		I don't- I- I- That's about it.
		That's where we're at.
		I think it raises a lot of interesting questions so far, but again, need to watch it.
		Need to watch it for sure.
		I saw some people already comment that only, I think, one video was actually released of a person doing a multiple ballot drop.
		So I- I don't know.
		I- I don't know about a whole lot of- I- I don't know enough.
		I don't know enough.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rob S. says, 2,000 Ians looking in your soul.
unidentified		Alright.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All from a different angle.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tim Jake says the NPR story was written by the same person that claimed conflict between Gorsuch and Sotomayor over masks, a story proven false.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She has history of making claims without supporting facts or evidence.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Okay.
		Kylie Miller says Democrats are going to lead us to another civil war because they can't define what a person is again.
		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's that's that's how it goes, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you wanted to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because you haven't seen him without the beanie on.
		Sorry to interrupt your super chat.
		the guest Friday I was baffled I didn't know you had such a big brain even if
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		you haven't seen without the beanie on sorry I know that's right I like the
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		the there's someone made a paintbrush meme of my head is a hot-air balloon and
		I'm holding the basket and I don't know how it works That's a good one.
		When I was like I saved it.
		The funny thing is like uh you know Ben Shapiro he always like they make fun of him but he like laughs at the memes and stuff.
		I wonder if these people genuinely think that they're angering people on the right with a lot of this stuff because I just I just think it's funny.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You also do have a big brain.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I see it more without the beanie when your beanie's down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but I think it's funny that you took the time to draw a picture of me in paintbrush.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's funny looking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not mad.
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What am I going to be mad about?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I highly recommend you guys check out the hot air balloon meme.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's really funny.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		MD Crush says, 2000 mules the movie.
		Is it even banned from you, Tim?
		It's not banned for me.
		I just didn't see it because it was Mother's Day weekend.
		And yeah, I don't know.
		It's like busy weekend.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know what it was till today.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I heard people kept telling me about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was, I was, I watched, I was watching clips.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I've seen some clips so far.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I saw Rumble experience some sort of attack.
		I think their official statement was that there was an attack on their servers when it went up.
		People wanted to stop it from being seen or something.
		Not going to work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		M.D.
		Crush, as you can see, 2000 Mules, the movie on Rumble.
		That's right.
		Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		says, Tim, Daryl, okay, so there's no fighting fire with fire.
		Voting may work, but it's months away.
		Is there any street action that could actually work?
		Protests?
		Peaceful?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I think that is charging into the enemy's strength.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Peaceful protests?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, you open yourself up to provocateurs, obviously, things like that.
		Yeah, it's dangerous.
		Anytime anybody on the right, no matter how moderate, congregates in public, you're definitely playing with fire, for sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is the goal that they're asking to accomplish?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Winning the culture war in politics?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's not specific enough.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Tell me the goal and I think the answer will become evident.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess it depends on the context, right?
		Like, if you think about the parents at those school board meetings, that was pretty effective.
		Obviously, they tried to come down on them, but it's having an effect and things have maybe moved a little bit in their direction.
		I think that the right, you know, has to be very smart and sort of use a kind of political jujitsu anytime they do anything.
		You know, they have to try to take advantage of single points of failure in the enemy's defenses, do things that produce predictable overreactions, So that those are the kinds of things you have to do, because that's a good thing about having a very emotional enemy.
		You know, a very emotional opponent is you can kind of predict what they're going to do for the most part.
		And, you know, I think about, for example, I remember when the Democratic primaries were going on in 2020 and CNN did an LGBT town hall.
		Cool, fine.
		And you had all the Democratic candidates there, and they kept trotting out these, like, six-year-old, seven-year-old kids.
		Be like a seven-year-old boy, done up in full makeup and a dress, and he's a little trans child, right?
		And now, all the Democrats who were there, they have pollsters, they have, you know, political advisors who can tell them that 90% of the United States thinks that a six-year-old trans child is, that that's crazy, right?
		That that's not a winning issue.
		Every single one of them had to bend the knee and say, I'm so proud of you.
		This is so amazing.
		You're doing so great.
		Even though they know that there are political consequences to that because they have no choice.
		And there are a lot of issues like that, that if you can draw them out into public, all you have to do is shine a light on them and they'll melt right before your eyes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Seth Houser says, the baby's body is not the woman's body.
		I am a conservative.
		Can you confirm these details, Seamus?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Uh, yeah, I would confirm.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What, that he's a conservative?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Uh, well, I don't, you know, I don't know this individual personally.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		However, the baby's body is not the woman's body.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		ReallyBadVideo says, Did Ian seriously argue that a woman's eggs are alive yet cannot understand what a fetus is?
		Were not we all born?
		Did not we all require to be a fetus to be who we are today?
		How was this ever even an argument?
		Killing babies is not progressive.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Um, I do understand what a fetus is and that I do believe the egg is still a piece of living tissue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, Ian?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Name three fetuses.
unidentified		You got me, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, where are we at?
unidentified		D.E.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Poland says, Tim, please have on Abby Johnson, ex-Planned Parenthood director.
		Seamus should know about her.
		She's a lot of fun and can really speak to abortion.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Can you confirm this to us?
		I'm not overly familiar with the work.
		I do know of her.
		Yeah, she's an ex-Planned Parenthood director who became pro-life.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, she's great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brett Tesdahl says, I am increasingly convinced that abortion is the Kobayashi Maru of political debates.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was an impossible test in Star Trek.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was meant to gauge how you would behave under absolute stress.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right, if it drives us to anger and then conflict, we've lost the point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nick says, Ian, he says, Ethan, do you recall the TNG episode where LaForge was stranded with a Romulan who thought he should have been aborted because he was blind?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Uh, I don't, if that's where they're in the cave, no, I don't think, I saw them all, but I don't off the top of my head remember that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they were like slowly dying.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And they were like starving to death or something?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, like something was slowly killing them, was it, or whatever?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, it's been a long time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I always like those when they put two cultures, like opposing cultures together in a room and they're forced to deal with it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I think that's illegal to make a booby trap of any kind like that.
		future people. There is the booby trap time capsule argument. Do you have the right to
		rig a time capsule to kill whoever opens it 100 years from now? They aren't born yet.
		If you open the time capsule now, sucks to be you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Uh, no, I think that's illegal to make a booby trap of any kind like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But they're not alive right now.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Maybe dead.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like it specifically targets a unique person's genetics 100 years in the future that you
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, like, they bury a time capsule.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then when you dig it up and open it, it blows up?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Whoever opens it first, yeah, something crazy happens.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Can you build something that will become a booby trap in 100 years?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Like, uh, you have some piece of, I don't know, iron that rusts and erodes and then Be a wild thing to do.
		Breaks open.
unidentified		Like, I hate, I don't know what the people of the future are about, but I hate them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, when the progressives keep saying that the future is going to be progressive, you know, you might get some crazy person who would think something like, I'm going to stop these crazy people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I guess the philosophical argument is, if you can kill, can you kill someone who's not alive today?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you cannot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, like, then why not a fetus?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Have you guys seen that South Park episode where all the people in the future, there's no more jobs in the future.
		So they're all immigrating back to the past and they decide, well, we have to stop this, like, you know, just flood of immigration from the future.
		And so all the men turn gay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then, and then it starts working, but then they, no, no, no.
		Then they realize if they make the future a better place, it'll stop the immigration.
		But then they're like, wait a minute.
		Why are we doing this?
		Let's go back to the orgy pile.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I should clarify, you can kill someone that's not born today, although you might end up in prison for it, and it's not ethically viable to murder someone.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Period.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is kind of a crazy... I've never heard this question before.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I know, I've never heard that before.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You're dead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're dead.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'll be alive in a hundred years, I don't know about you.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I think it's certainly wrong, but it's an interesting question.
		I think it would certainly be wrong to do it, but it is an interesting question.
		I've never heard anybody ask that before.
unidentified		It's a good one.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because, like, people that time travel, like, would you go back into the past to kill Hitler to try to prevent World War II?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I got that question a lot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Imagine if, like, right now, someone came from the future, just, like, appeared in this room and was like, I have to stop Seamus!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we would do everything to protect Seamus.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Get out of here, liberal!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then, like, when we catch this guy, he shows us, like, a digital news file, and it's like, Seamus is just, like, ultra-Hitler or whatever.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		No, it wouldn't even be that, dude.
		If, like, the progressives win, it's going to be the most benign thing ever.
		It'll be like, he won time.
		It'll be like, because I say the word hello, and they're like, that's a slur now.
		We've decided you can't say that.
		Or just some insane cultural shift.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it would be benign, but it would be like, he's this 50-year-old guy who leads the free speech movement.
unidentified		We have to stop him!
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It'd be something I'm doing now that's offensive that I'm not sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You gotta watch out because Looper, I don't know if you guys saw Looper, I don't want to spoil but I'm gonna spoil Looper so turn it down if you haven't seen it yet.
		It's just the act of trying to kill the kid that turns him into the villain.
		So don't try and kill Hitler, baby.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that movie made no sense anyway.
		Gizmos89 says, Tim, you always forget Generation X. No, I don't.
		I don't forget Generation X. Generations basically very much skip, like Millennials were the children of Boomers for the most part.
		There's a gradient overlap, but Gen X, like Boomers were like teenagers or like in their late 20s when, uh, well, I guess the problem is the generations can be long enough to overlap, but many Millennials are the children of Boomers.
		That's the point.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		How do you think about generations?
		Like, I know a lot of people go by years, which I always thought was... Yeah, it's by years.
		I always think that's kind of a crude way of looking at it.
		Like, when I think about generations, I think about major changes in society and where you were at in your stage of life when they happened, right?
		So, like, when I think of a millennial as opposed to a Gen Xer, like, I'm 40.
		I was born in 81.
		I kind of consider myself like a really young Gen Xer for the most part because I remember what the world was like without the internet.
		And the people who don't really remember that didn't live any portion of their adult life, I kind of consider millennials.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I always thought of myself as Gen X. I was born in 79.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Millennials grew up without the internet.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Well, they grew up without it, but they didn't live any of their adult lives without it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So for millennials, we had rudimentary internet as kids, but it was like 2007 is the singularity moment when the internet became ubiquitous.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, iPhones and stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen that graph that chewing gum, like revenue purchases from chewing gum in 2007 just went Cratered.
		And the theory that they have behind it is that everybody's playing on their phones in the supermarket line now.
		It's as good of a theory as I can come up with.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Justin Barber says, Daryl Davis mentioned Goree Island.
		I visited there in 2019 and it is a special place.
		Is it pronounced Goree?
		Goree Island?
		360 on YouTube to see an immersive 360 video I shot on the island.
unidentified		Cool.
		Oh, neat.
		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Goree Eye?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Goree?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Phantomkitsune0 says, when I traveled sea, I made an effort to try non-chain places and foods I could never find stateside.
		I envy Southeast Asia.
unidentified		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I envy Korea and Japan for having so many options.
		Korea is fun.
		It was funny.
		When I was in Korea, they were like, Chicago pizza with, you know, like black sauce on it.
		And I was like, we don't have that.
		That's, I don't know what that is.
		And it was like squid ink or something on the pizza or something.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's, that's a thing.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You never got squid pizza?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've actually, I've had, I've had squid pizza, calamari on pizza.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That sounds delicious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Sounds good.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Had Giordano's earlier.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Did you have Giordano's earlier?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Did you invite me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why would I?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm the coolest guy in town.
unidentified		It's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was a crazy moment for me when I turned 21.
		been made to seem undesirable, whereas by prolonging childhood and adolescence with
		the college experience, we've warped the form of progression where it was exciting to enter
		adulthood.
		It was a crazy moment for me when I turned 21.
		I used to play shows, right?
		And so I would look for open mic nights, I would look for venues that allowed all ages,
		and the clientele of these places was relatively small because you're dealing with basically
		16 to 21 year olds.
		Because younger than that, they're not really going off by themselves to these places because they can't drive.
		So I'd go to these venues and I'd play.
		And then when I turned 21, I was like, oh, I can go to this other venue.
		And then all of a sudden, everyone there was like in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s.
		And I'm just like, there are so many more different kinds of people now that it was kind of a crazy moment where I was like, wow.
		It was like, like tutorial mode before this.
		Now it's just so many different kinds of people that I... Everyone was like me.
		Same age, into the same things, listening to the same music.
		Then you go to a bar and everyone's like all different generations and it's like, whoa.
		That was crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I didn't have that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's grab some more Zupa chats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bliss Girl says, can Seamus and Tim please do your Chicago accent?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We're asking for a Chicago accent over here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's so hilarious and we could use a laugh, thank you.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's actually very funny.
		So this is Tim and I both had to go to speech therapy to not talk like this for the entire reason.
		So we're actually reverting to our natural way of speaking there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when you go to Chicago, if you, uh, this is a secret, if you order your pizza with Chicago, we actually in here, hey, let me get the pepperoni with the, uh, extra cheese, yeah?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then they give you free cheese sticks.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Go here's the cheese sticks there, bud.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Thank you.
		Like, so you'll walk into a restaurant and there'll be a guy be like, welcome to Domino's, pizza in your bag.
		Hey, I'm just like you, no need to put on the accent.
unidentified		I'm like, ah, thank the lord, I can finally talk like a normal person.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Come over here.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Come over here, he pulls the old style can on the wall and a trap door opens.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Old style.
		He throws you one.
		Time to relax, bud.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's delicious.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hey, while we're here, you need your garage door repaired?
		Because I do garage door repairs.
		He's like, yeah, so do I though.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You guys want to go to Wrigley Field for a week and watch the Cubbies lose?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Cubs, the Bears, Chicago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No one in Chicago, even with a Chicago accent, says Chicago.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Chicago, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's never, it's not a thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the weirdest thing, that's the one thing people think they do say they don't say.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That they don't say, it's funny because most of the people I know, like my dad for example, he almost, he like, under, like he, he does the opposite of a Chicago accent when he says Chicago.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You hear this from a lot of older guys from the city, they'll go like, Chicago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's... Chicago.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they'll, they do not pronounce it like Chicago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's the E-A.
		The Chicago A is the A sound.
		So, E-Apple.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		T-Axy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To do the Chicago A, you gotta go E-A.
		So, E-Apple.
		It's like it starts with an E sound.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's also stronger and softer in different areas, too.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It changes, like, the north side's a little different from the I didn't know I had a Chicago accent when I live in Chicago
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		because everyone around you talks the same And it's not until you leave people like I'll be talking to
		someone on the go Yeppel and then I'll be like what and I'll say you said yeppel
		and I'll be like yeah I said Apple and they go no you said yeah, but I said yeppel.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		What's wrong with saying yeppel We talking about man. I said yeppel go to you know you
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yep Dixie cabbie to the Apple genius bear
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right NYBS FP says agree with Tim on ST regardless of what they
		may have intended on ST Star Trek.
		Oh, on Star Trek.
		What they showed was people fighting for freedom from a government that eventually nuked them.
		Who has the nukes?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		China.
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		David C. Cronk says, Tim, you are talking about the franchise that made Stacey Abrams the president of United Earth.
		Talk about ruining a show.
		You know what Picard is about?
		Q. Have you ever seen Star Trek?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Not really.
		I've seen a couple episodes.
		I know who Q is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He transports the characters to an alternate timeline where the galaxy is run by an earth empire of human supremacists.
		And then Picard's like, we have to go back to the 21st century to stop something from happening that made humans racial supremacists!
		And I stopped watching it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I was just like, off.
		And then Q was like, back in this time I had a messaging board where I used to post things about politics to mess with people.
		Oh, Picard!
unidentified		Don't you understand that the people of that time were racists?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Bill.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Q. I went to an antique store and found an unopened Q action figure from, like, 1992.
		Needless to say, I bought it.
		I'm very excited for that purchase.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is that why they called that message boards Q is from the Star Trek guy?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
unidentified		What?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		No, because I was joking.
		It's Q. Yeah.
		No, that's the joke I was making.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just Q. It means like it's a classification level they think or something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And the classification level was based on Star Trek.
unidentified		Right, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sam Whiter says, Tim, I've commented on this before that Star Trek has predicted the future and I believe that 2024 will be the deciding year since it's been shown in DS9 and Picard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Hillary's going to become president and fix everything.
unidentified		S.R.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dempsey says Dragon Distillery in Frederick might be able to help you with your design goals.
		Design goals for what?
		Dragon Distillery?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I can confirm.
		Queue clearance, queue access, authorization, U.S.
		Department of Energy, security clearance required to access top secret restricted data.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I believe it.
		Christopher Shipley says, thank you again, Tim, for coming by 4D Fun Center over the weekend.
		Also, thank you for explaining how cheap those Tony Hawk boards we had were.
		Did some research after and marked them as starter boards.
		I wouldn't even necessarily call them that.
		We went to this place called the 4D Fun Center.
		They had bowling.
		They had an escape room.
		We did an escape room.
unidentified		That was fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a great place.
		And won a bunch of tickets.
		Played the arcade games.
		They have a beer pong arcade.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you do the escape room?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you escape?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you escape fast?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, I think we had six minutes left out of a half an hour.
		You get a half an hour to solve it.
		But you know what the issue was for us?
		Is that we were too smart.
		We were too smart for our own good.
		This actually is an issue.
		So, you know, my brother was trying to point out, don't overthink the puzzles.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		These are for like, this is a mass market thing.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like a kid's place.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, so the puzzles are simple.
unidentified		People feel really smart.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, the puzzles were all like relatively simple like find the codes like a clock and it's like there's there's I don't want to give I don't want to spoil it but one of the things is that one of the objects in the room we thought was a code was actually all of the codes and we didn't realize that that would be the one anomalous thing and so we couldn't figure it out we were confused by it and that took us like 10 minutes.
		Yeah.
		There were longer ones.
		There's like hour ones.
		Yeah.
		But the door was open the whole time.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		I did one of those one time and we were looking like on the bottom side of the radio at the serial number and trying to figure out if it meant anything.
		None of it meant anything.
		It was like, you know, right over there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The Daily Wire did an escape room challenge where they mixed and matched people and then they were competing against other Daily Wire teams, but it was teams.
		So you got to see them interact and how they were getting stressed with each other, but having fun too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have an idea.
		Me and my friend had an idea a long time ago for something called the Hacker Games.
		And the idea is to get a building, secure it in a variety of ways, digital keypad locks, security guards, pin and tumble locks, and then in the top floor in one of the rooms is the MacGuffin.
		And the goal is to get the MacGuffin without being, like, being able to break into this building.
		We would hire security guards but not tell them it was a show.
		So we just hire a security guard and say, you know, don't let anybody in without the proper credentials.
		You know.
		But the thing is, it's so easy to get past a security guard.
		You know the easiest way to get past a security guard?
		At a venue at least.
		Here's an example.
		You just carry a bag of ice.
		You put a rag in your back pocket, grab a bag of ice, and you will walk right past them and they will never ask you a question.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You hear that, security guards?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Eyes open.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yep, look for those ice guys.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		So then what happens if like you and all your friends each have ice?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rags in your back pocket like up There's just a bunch of guys with ice if there was like two or three guys and you're carrying trays and ice You're gonna be and then you walk up at the security guard and go where do we put this stuff?
		He's gonna be like try the kitchen.
		You know, thanks, man.
		You're gonna walk right past him.
		I was at a venue once and I had a pass but they weren't allowing me to go backstage and So I walked, I just, the first thing you do is you own the place.
		So I just walked past the security guard and then he went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, and then he put his hand in front of me, he's like, where are you going?
		And I was like, I'm working.
		And he was like, no, no, no, no, no, you can't come in here without the right, you know, pass.
		And I was like, I got the pass, it's right here, it's on my leg.
		And he was like, that pass is not for here.
		And I'm like, dude, I'm at work.
		And he was like, sorry, bro, you can't come in.
		And I was like...
		So I went into the... I started walking around.
		I saw a guy with a camera.
		I was like, hey, come with me.
		You want to go backstage?
		He's like, yeah, come with me.
		And then we started walking back towards the security guard.
		Same guy again.
		And then this time we both walked past and he goes, yo, yo, I told you you can't come.
		And then I interrupted him and go, dude, we're working.
		And he sees the camera guy goes, oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry, dude.
		And then we walked backstage and hung up.
		That's the idea for the game, so pick the locks or hack the codes and then try and find your way in.
		I want to do it, it just requires getting to that point where we can set it up, so maybe in the next couple of years we'll get something like that going.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That would be a bluff skill in Dungeons & Dragons that you passed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I gotta tell you, getting past security guards at corporate functions or at buildings is just like... I don't even understand what the point of having a security guard is, for the most part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a deterrent.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Most people are rule followers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's mostly about insurance and...
		Having a dedicated person for security issues, so something comes up They handle the job, but getting past security guard anywhere is just like I don't know man It's easy like you see it in movies all the time.
		It's like you wait out by the door smoking a cigarette They open the door you go.
		Hey, man, and just walk in it's like Geez all right.
		Let's see we'll grab.
		We'll grab one more oh Hangover Bear says, you talk about the financial crisis of the 2000s as if it was the only generation to go through one.
		Talk to the kids that grew up from the mid-70s and mid-80s.
		Yeah, I mean, what about boomers and the gas shortages and the inflation problem?
		I mean, everybody.
		And Vietnam?
		There was a lot of bad stuff going on.
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
		Those things were, I think, a lot more recoverable when they were over, though.
		Like, think about all of the 1960s college students who, and just young people in general, who decided to just take a few years off, go smoke weed out in the countryside and party it up and kind of do their...
		Maybe go out and, like, engage in riots and protests and just be a revolutionary.
		And then a few years go by and, yeah, it's time to, like, get my act together.
		And they go off and they finish college and they go get a job at, like, a big law firm or something, right?
		How many—all the Weathermen ended up—the ones who didn't get arrested for murder—ended up going and working for big law firms or going to universities.
		Whereas it feels like today, you know, you get a—you know, people—these people had felonies on their records and they got done and they went and got jobs at universities.
		It just feels like much more punitive today if you make mistakes or waste time, you know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright everybody, if you haven't already, give that like button a good smashing.
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		Daryl, you want to shout anything out?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Check out the podcast, Martyr Made, M-A-R-T-Y-R-M-A-D-E, and The Unraveling with me and Jocko Willink.
unidentified		All right.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		We've got a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
		We upload a cartoon every single week, sometimes twice a week.
		I think you guys are going to like what we're putting out this week.
		Go over there and check it out.
		Love you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Tim is swinging for the fences.
		All these bugs flying around.
		Gimme, gimme.
		Hey, also you're Martyr Made on Twitter.
		If people want to follow you on social media, just throw it out.
		Are you pretty much Martyr Made everywhere?
darryl cooper ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Guys, I'm gonna roll the 100-sided die.
		I talked about Tim's bluff check earlier.
		I rolled a 68 and I'm gonna give you a wild magic surge for that number now.
		It's a 68.
		Yeah, so if I was a wild mage, which I am, I permanently gain one cantrip.
		A spell such as Remove Curse can end this effect.
		So yes, I'm cursed, but it could be beneficial.
		We'll find out.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I like this new tradition.
		I just wanted to add before we left that we were talking about the Reddit thread about ladies getting off these dating apps and I want to give credit to Aaron McIntyre who says, I think that's what we're seeing here.
		They do this all the time with families and they're like being all rebellious and everything and we're like, yes, this is exactly what we've been saying this whole time.
		Anyway, for more hot takes like that, you guys can follow me on Twitter, Minds.com, at Sarah Patchlitz, and check me out on SarahPatchlitz.me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for hanging out.

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