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Timcast IRL - Twitter ADMITS To FAKE USERS Count, People Claim ITS FRAUD w/Jon Nicosia
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tim pool
Twitter's new earnings report is out, and I gotta say, I called it.
Their earnings were down.
It was obvious.
But in this revelation, in this document, we learned something else.
And people are already claiming fraud.
Twice, Twitter accidentally, so they say, inflated their user numbers.
That means that when they sold advertisements, it was against false numbers.
That means when Elon Musk agreed to buy the company, it was based on false numbers.
And even the left-wing Verge, theverge.com, says, how did this happen twice?
Now, many of us are speculating on the weird shift in user growth.
Right-leaning channels or right-sphere-of-influence-associated channels are seeing major gains.
Left-sphere-of-influence are seeing major decline.
I think they were running fake accounts.
I think they were banning people on the right and creating fake accounts for people on the left.
Since Tuesday, I have gained 100,000 followers, which is around 10% of my follower count.
10%.
Strange, because I noticed a lot of other people have a similar number of around 8 to 10%.
The weird thing is that it starts on Tuesday.
On Monday, when the news broke, hmm, nothing.
So we're going to get into all of that and boy is this story getting crazy.
Then we also have Elon Musk tweeting a meme showing the left going super far left leaving moderates on the right now.
And we're going to talk about that because even Barack Obama is now a conservative according to CNN and the Washington Post.
CNN plus shut down two days early.
They couldn't even fail by their fail date.
They had to actually fail earlier than normal because they failed so bad.
We got some stories out of Kenosha.
Joy Reid is getting canceled.
James Corden is quitting.
Yo, what's going on?
It's like all of a sudden the dam broke and now we're all charging the hill to take the high ground.
Sounds good.
Let's talk about it.
Joining us to talk about all of this is, pronounce your, I'm going to pronounce your last name wrong.
jon nicosia
Nicosia.
tim pool
Nicosia.
All right.
Well, introduce yourself.
jon nicosia
I'm John Nicosia.
lydia smith
There you go.
tim pool
There you go.
jon nicosia
President of Cycle Media.
tim pool
Well, so what's your background?
jon nicosia
What do you do?
So, I'm in the media.
I was at Mediate for eight years, then IJR, and then to the Washington Examiner as the breaking news editor.
I won a down thing and now just consulting.
Right on.
tim pool
Breaking news.
You've got some stories from the inner workings of the rise in digital media and all that stuff, so I think that'll be particularly interesting considering all the context we've got going on.
jon nicosia
Yeah, there's a lot going on, and I think there's a reset about to happen, certainly at CNN.
And I think a site that big is going to create a wave, along with this happening with Twitter, I think there's a lot of opportunities for sites to reinvent themselves.
Because right now the amount of people who hate media outnumbers the people actually watching.
I don't think Brian Stelter has an audience.
I think you're going to start to see people like Reed and other people who have no audiences
that are just kind of there.
Brian Stelter and other people who just exist to set narratives are going to find that they
don't have a job anymore.
tim pool
I don't think Brian Stelter has an audience.
I genuinely mean that.
jon nicosia
Yeah I mean it's baffling.
I mean, there's a school of thought that he was there as Zucker's henchman, which, you know, I happened to be there in January of 2017 when Trump called.
What's his name?
Fake News pointed down.
seamus coughlin
Jim Acosta?
jon nicosia
Yeah, Jim Acosta.
And I was sitting in the head of PR's office, which is across from Zucker's, and Seltzer had just come off the air.
And when he did it, they basically said, well, looks like we're going to war for four years.
Wow.
And they did.
I mean, I thought it was a joke at the time.
So I think Brian served a purpose for I mean, you know, Brian was part of a website called TV Newser back in the day that covered the media, you know, and he has some chops on that.
And then, you know, everyone just fell apart during Trump.
tim pool
Trump broke him.
We'll talk about that.
There's a lot of interesting stuff going on.
We talked a bit about with these personalities quitting and imploding, but we'll get to all that.
So thanks for hanging out, John.
And we've got Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Seamus, I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
We upload once a week, with the exception of this week.
We're actually going to be uploading extra content next week, so go over there, subscribe, hit the notification bell.
I love you all.
I'm excited for the show.
ian crossland
It's interesting you said that Zucker said a four-year war was about to commence in 2017, because it does feel like they lost last year, CNN.
My numbers also are up 2,000% on Twitter.
I got 50 followers on Monday, and then I got 50 on Monday, and then 1,115 on Tuesday.
From 50 to 1,000.
It feels like in the culture war that we won a big battle.
A big battle was won when Elon put forth this buy deal, and now the enemy's in a rout.
It's as if we're taking multiple, hill after hill, repositioning our strategic offense.
tim pool
It's true.
It's like, as soon as Elon, it's like, you know, like Gandalf in Battle for Helm's Deep, we go for one last ride, storming through the orcs, and then we see up on the hill and the sunlight comes in, and then all of a sudden the Rohirrims are charging down.
But it's not just, as soon as that happened, it's like all of a sudden on every front, like you were saying Ian, just different fields are getting taken.
Wow.
We'll talk about it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, this is why they have a Ministry of Truth now that they've announced.
unidentified
Right.
seamus coughlin
They know we're winning.
We're starting to win.
lydia smith
I think you're right.
I think they're starting to notice the mainstream media is falling and that has been the PR wing of the Democratic Party.
So I think that's why they're coming.
jon nicosia
And I think people had a lot to say and now they're not as afraid with Elon out there.
I think they see somebody putting money up to, you know, bring back some level of balance.
seamus coughlin
Well, isn't it incredible how as soon as Elon Musk said he wanted to have more fair and equitable rules on the website that would allow people from both sides of the political aisle to voice their opinions, people on the left freaked out and then people on the right just started posting like crazy.
tim pool
Well, we'll see.
We'll see.
I got a lot to say about this.
So, of course, Lydia's pressing the buttons.
lydia smith
Yeah, I am, but that's what I'm doing in the corner.
I'm just jumping in.
Yeah, pushing buttons over here.
tim pool
All right, but we'll talk about that first big story where it looks like Twitter lied or was accidentally wrong.
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So thank you guys so much Let's check out this first story from the verge Twitter miscounted its daily users for three years straight.
How did this happen twice?
Yo, the verge is a progressive website when they point out you're doing something wrong and Something must be really wrong.
They report, Twitter overstated the number of daily users on its service for three years straight, over-counting by up to 1.9 million users each quarter.
The error was due to Twitter inadvertently counting multiple accounts as active when they were all tied to a single user, even if they weren't in use.
These incorrect usage numbers were given for Q1 2019 through Q4 2021.
This somehow, this is somehow not the first time Twitter has done this.
In 2017, Twitter also realized it had been overstating its user figures by 1 to 2 million for three years.
The repeat mistake was revealed today in Twitter's earnings release for the first quarter of 2022.
Here's the amazing thing.
The earnings report was bad.
They were down a bit.
I think was it like 30 million less?
Let me just pull up the TimCast.com article.
Twitter's earnings report shows missed revenue projections.
They were projecting $1.23 billion making only $1.2 billion.
Now, that's not that bad, but their money is going down, and I predicted this.
This likely, in my opinion, would have resulted in a stock drop-off, but because Elon has already agreed to buy it, stock is likely going up or staying the same.
In fact, the fact the stock isn't currently sitting at $54.20 says to me there are some people who think the deal won't go through, and it's possible.
But this is big, and it could be a reason.
Many people on Twitter are now saying, this sounds like fraud, yo.
Like Twitter was lying.
They were lying to their advertisers.
They lied to Elon Musk.
I don't think Elon Musk would decide not to buy the platform now, but I wonder what this means for the deal, and I wonder what it means for Twitter's executives.
Is anybody going to get in trouble?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean Elon's ability to negotiate downwards.
Also, of course, let's point out the fact that Twitter, which has decided that they would take it upon themselves to determine what was or was not misinformation in the outside world, would not even deliver accurate figures on how their website was doing.
ian crossland
I'll tell you, man, I worked behind the scenes at Mines developing that company for a decade.
And there is no way that they did not know that one person with five accounts is not one person.
They're intentionally allowing that to play to overvalue the company.
This is insidious.
I don't know that for sure, of course.
I can't prove that.
tim pool
Let's drive this point home.
Ian?
You were a co-founder at Minds.com, a social media platform with millions of users.
You've seen internals, you actually moderated the platform.
In your expert opinion, having run social media infrastructure, Twitter knew that that was wrong.
ian crossland
I bet there are 7,500, yes, yes.
There are so many employees at that company, 7,500 plus employees.
I would imagine 30%, probably 10% of them knew.
tim pool
That's a good point too.
Not a single person said, Hey, wait a minute guys.
jon nicosia
I think if you've got a company that knows if somebody misgendered somebody, uh, you know, if somebody in that can shut them down and are that deep into the daily workings of their site that they didn't somehow know how many people were using it as kind of.
ian crossland
They might be calculating daily active logins, which is the dirty game to play because it's the one person logs into five different accounts, then it's still one person.
seamus coughlin
Well, I mean, look, if they couldn't figure out how many people were using their website, all I have to say is they need to learn to code.
jon nicosia
I knew somebody was going to say that.
tim pool
Yeah, we're waiting for it.
ian crossland
Yeah, they do need to learn that.
tim pool
But I don't know what happens.
Does anything happen?
I mean, look, we're seeing a lot of victories across the board, but does anybody really believe someone will be held accountable for this stuff?
jon nicosia
I predict that there's going to be a lot more that's going to come out of this closet at Twitter, that this is going to be less of the problem that I think we're going to find out as far as what's been being manipulated over the last X amount of years.
tim pool
Well, as we pointed out earlier, you know, in the intro and the other day, this weird conspiracy theory That I think is backed up by more than enough circumstantial evidence to say there should be a probe.
I believe there should be a criminal investigation because Jack Dorsey, as well, I can't remember who else, but I'm pretty sure other people from Twitter have testified before Congress under oath.
I'm pretty sure they were all under oath, right?
Yep.
As saying they did not have political blocks or anything like that.
Now we're seeing serious circumstantial evidence that that was not true.
Of course, I'm not confident anybody would do anything about it.
jon nicosia
Well, during the hacking, when we were talking about the day the blue checks disappeared, there was screenshots that were sent out that showed there was a box to click for shadow banding.
Like, that was a real thing that got out, that they kind of, you know, whisked away.
But there was a lot of, there's a lot of stuff that did come up after that popped up, that they showed these screenshots I mean, the bigger day was that it had been hacked, but then there were all of these screenshots that popped up that there was this, you know, console that showed that there was an ability to kind of quiet certain users.
tim pool
Here's the game they play, though.
So if we go back to 2018, we have this story from Endgadget.
Twitter's shadow-banning bug unfairly filtered 600,000 accounts.
Jack Dorsey confirms this.
They say, you know, our algorithms were unfairly filtering 600,000 accounts,
including some members of Congress from our search autocomplete.
But how did it happen?
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what they would say?
Well, it was not political, but it is. The game they'll play is right now, Elon Musk,
he posted the meme of me and Vajay Ghati. And it's like the circle where it's like, here's
left-wing bias. And And a bunch of leftists were like, is misgendering really political?
They're arguing that purposefully deadnaming someone is political.
And I'm like, it is.
It is not a moral statement.
Conservatives do not agree with your worldview and define things differently.
It is inherently political.
They don't accept that.
So they argue, it's not political.
So then they'll say, well, we're talking about pronoun use.
Has nothing to do with politics, right?
seamus coughlin
Well, they're completely full of it.
They know that referring to something as non-political is just a useful rhetorical tool.
tim pool
Everything is political.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
So they'll say everything is political, but then when it comes to something they want to be taken for granted, they'll say, this isn't political.
Human rights aren't political.
It's like, well, actually the reason a political system exists to a large extent is for us to figure out on a political scale how we treat each other.
So yes it is.
jon nicosia
But also most of these mistakes that if you look back to over the years that were happening just coincidentally were happening to conservatives.
I mean you didn't see like CERC, CENC, and all these giant liberals on the right on the left you know their their accounts being shadow banned or losing people or being for that matter being suspended for anything.
tim pool
The the red-headed libertarian a good friend of ours Josie.
That's her Twitter follow her at TRHL official She was banned on January 20th of 2021 and reinstated abruptly this year, randomly on Tuesday.
And she said, has this happened to any prominent left-wing profile?
No.
Not a single one.
Has anybody seen anybody?
Look, I follow people on the left.
I interact with them.
I have not seen a single person on the left be like, whoa, my account was just brought back.
That's so weird.
jon nicosia
I've never met a person on the left that had their account suspended.
Everyone brought back.
tim pool
There were a handful of people, anti-war, anti-establishment leftists, they got nuked.
That's funny.
seamus coughlin
Or people on the left who were part of that rare breed that actually spoke out against the COVID restrictions.
jon nicosia
Right, right.
tim pool
Yeah, several people from Occupy Wall Street had their accounts nuked.
And I think it was because what we're really seeing is establishment versus anti-establishment.
And because the people associated with the sphere of influence of the right, or whatever you want to call it, are anti-establishment, they're more likely to get hit.
But there were.
So, Project Veritas did an exposé, and they found that, I think it's live action, right?
Live action?
seamus coughlin
That would be Lila Rose's group, yes.
tim pool
They were being censored by, I think it was Pinterest.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
But in that blacklist, I think it was Pinterest, in the blacklist was also anti-media, I think it was.
One of these anti-war groups.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was an anti-media group.
tim pool
It was anti-media.
And Scott Horton, he's from... He's anti-war.
He's anti-war, okay.
So the anti-media guys are like fairly anti-war.
And I said, hey, that's a big deal too.
I think what's really happening is if you are in line with the establishment, they don't care in what capacity.
jon nicosia
Right.
tim pool
You're protected.
So being pro-war?
Look at these conservatives, I'm doing air quotes, who are staunchly pro-war and align themselves with Democrats.
They're all fine.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
I don't think Liz Cheney's going to get shadow banned anytime soon.
I don't think anyone was ever concerned about that for her.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Well, what do you mean by that?
It depends on the network, I suppose.
allowed to have blacklists, social media networks?
jon nicosia
No.
tim pool
Well, what do you mean by that?
ian crossland
Have like behind the scenes lists that they can put you on that why not change the way that you see the network?
tim pool
It depends on the network, I suppose.
I think the change has to come once a platform reaches a certain size.
Yeah.
So if you have a blog that reaches 100,000 people and it's like, you know, a cowboy living blog
and you allow people to post their cowboy stories, I think it makes sense to be like,
hey, it can only be cowboy stuff.
But if you have Twitter, which markets itself to everyone.
And it's open to all to have, you know, the free speech wing of the free speech party.
And then you start deciding, no, no, no, no.
At that point, it's there's something bad going on.
jon nicosia
I mean, there were rulings that when Trump was banning people when he was president, that he had to unban them.
I think there was a case.
So, I mean, I think the courts are getting to a point where the courts eventually are going to weigh in on this, that, you know, a town square certainly has a certain level of protection that I think is kind of just making its way through the system.
But we'll get there.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and you know, Trump wasn't even banning people.
He was just blocking that.
jon nicosia
That's why I meant blocking.
seamus coughlin
No, it's true.
But also, we were talking about this, I believe, two episodes ago, but that would be pretty in line with the decision of Marsh v. Alabama.
Again, I'm no lawyer, but it was basically decided by the Supreme Court in 1946 that even if you own a company town and it's your own private property, if you open yourself up to the public square to a large enough extent, you have to import the First Amendment, basically, or the civil rights that would be due to the people in that jurisdiction.
ian crossland
I think that makes sense.
What about Verizon?
Verizon now.
tim pool
Phone companies?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Public?
tim pool
No, they're a common care utility.
They shouldn't be allowed to do that.
They should have to provide service.
But you know what they do?
They play dirty games.
So AT&T wouldn't let me open an account unless I gave them cash up front.
And I was like, I don't want AT&T that bad.
I was, you know, because when you travel, you want multiple networks.
So particularly, we have a cellular bonding unit for when we're on the road that combines a bunch of different cell signals into one.
That way you can do better broadcast stuff.
So I said, the best thing to do is to get multiple networks to avoid congestion.
And AT&T was like, oh, you can sign up here, but you've got to give us $600 up front.
And then I was like, you want me to give you 600 bucks in cash right now just to sign up?
And then what happens to that money?
We hold it.
It's like, I don't need your service, dude.
But that's one thing they do to block you.
So imagine, imagine you make 20 bucks an hour.
Can you afford to make a deposit that large?
This is what they do to poor people to say, we are not blocking them from the service.
We just need a security deposit, which blocks them from the service.
jon nicosia
I don't think you would need a lot of these laws and stuff.
That's why I think when Musk put that poll out, do you feel that this is fair?
And it was 70% no to free speech.
I think most Americans are kind of even keeled and they can see.
I think if both sides felt that they were being treated fairly, there would be no problem.
tim pool
That's not possible.
jon nicosia
Right, right.
tim pool
The issue is, I'd like you all to imagine something.
Imagine there is a big sphere of water.
and there's a right side of it and a left side of it.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
At some point, a small bud started to emerge on the left side and it got bigger and bigger and bigger
until it eventually budded off and flopped onto the ground.
That same sphere still has a left and a right, but now there's this new sphere, multicultural democracy,
staring at its parent, constitutional republic.
So that budded sphere of influence doesn't care for principles or morals.
It wants power.
It wants to grow.
It will never be satisfied.
So there's no making it happy.
Elon Musk says he wants everyone to be equally happy or upset.
I'm like, ain't gonna happen.
ian crossland
Usually when the buds fall off the tree, they get eaten by like a zebra who walks away and poops it out somewhere else.
That's how the trees spread their seed.
So maybe that's what this is.
tim pool
I think it's withering.
I think what we're seeing now with Twitter in panic, with these weird algorithmic changes, with CNN Plus collapsing, with Joy Reid losing her job, with James Corden quitting.
With all of these things, what we're seeing is that it can't survive on its own.
It butted off, but it has no source of energy.
And so people like Cenk Uygur and Brian Stelter and all these people who decided to join that sphere are now watching the walls close in on them as it dries out, as its life energy is evaporating all around it, unable to sustain itself, and they'll regret it.
jon nicosia
Well, I think it has to do with also like ratings.
There has to be anger and a reason for people to come to something.
And if you look at ratings on MSNBC versus CNN, you know, if there's a Giant terror attack.
You guarantee that CNN is going to beat everyone because people run to these things.
And I think that these types of these types of products pull people towards it.
And you know, there was a giant people.
There were a lot of people invented during the Trump era that fed off of the rage.
tim pool
Well, so let me let me pull up this next story from the Daily Mail.
It's actually just a meme.
Elon Musk hints he's shifted to the right over the last 14 years.
No, no Daily Mail.
That is not what he's saying.
It's hilarious.
As liberals morphed into woke progressives.
He is not saying he shifted to the right.
He's quite literally saying he has not moved at all.
In this image, I believe it's a meme from Colin Wright.
lydia smith
That's correct, yeah.
tim pool
Congratulations, Colin.
lydia smith
Very cool.
tim pool
He posted a meme of me and now a meme of you.
It is just a winning week for us.
In 2008, you can see there's the right-wing conservatives, the left-wing liberals, and there's me, left of center.
And it says, my fellow liberal.
In 2012, the left started moving way further left, and now me was closer to the center because left and right were spreading further apart.
By 2021, me, the character in the comic, has stayed in the exact same place.
But the left has gone so far left that me is now closer to conservative.
And you know what's funny?
Elon Musk posted that.
I always mix the next word up in Elon Musk.
Elon Musk posted that and I said, that perfectly explains this show and me.
We are not conservatives.
We have always been—well, Seamus is conservative, for sure.
unidentified
I'm conservative, definitely.
tim pool
Same here.
But I mean, like, me personally and, you know, the stuff I've been working on.
You know, I got started covering news and media with Occupy Wall Street.
I was politically active, writing punk music and protesting war with all these liberals, voting for Obama in 2008.
And then, throughout the next—you know, Bernie Sanders.
He was opposed to immigration.
He said open borders was a Koch brothers proposal.
He wanted to help the working class.
He said gun rights was an urban versus rural issue.
And I'm like, I like this guy.
He's been consistent.
He's standing up for these things.
I can respect that.
And then Bernie decided to run along with the left, as did so many other personalities.
And they sacrificed any sense of principle and conviction for tribe.
So here I am standing in the same place, and now they're like, you're right wing.
And I'm like, that's exactly my point.
So you've got this memes posted, and this dude, this guy Max, verified Twitter user, posts it and says, the right literally tried to overthrow the government, the left nominated Joe Biden.
And I'm like, you're proving the point.
Nearly every single right-wing person condemned what happened on January 6th, said it was wrong.
Some of those prominent right-wing individuals all said the violence was a big mistake and they shouldn't have done it.
You didn't just elect Joe Biden.
You are pushing for strange, secret sexual conversations among children.
There's outright leftist policy, like Bernie Sanders wants 20% of corporations to be owned by the workers.
And you have, my friends, the Green New Deal.
This is what I referenced.
If you look at my videos, It was back in 2018, I think, when AOC was talking about the Green New Deal.
I said, fantastic.
I love the idea.
The government should be taking this tax money and investing in wind farms, you know, solar energy, roads, bridges.
Let's get the infrastructure built back up because these bridges are crumbling.
We can't live this way.
AOC is finally about to announce the Green New Deal.
And I'm like, let's see it.
And she goes, free health care for black people.
And I'm like, okay, wait, hold on.
All right, you want to have a conversation about racial issues and, you know, they say people of color.
I'm down, but what does this have to do with wind farms?
So here I am actually looking at environmental policy.
Instead, what do we get?
Critical race theory.
So I'm not taking away Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Well, no, I mean, this is something we see the left doing constantly.
You guys all know my theory.
Leftism is just a word that we give to social decay.
Things change very quickly when they're breaking down.
So you demolish a building, it falls a lot more quickly.
than it took to put the thing together in the first place.
Of course, there are a lot of people who are considered to be on the left who are now looked at
as right-wing figures, and not only that, but far-right figures.
Now, I'm only 27 years old, and yet I am old enough to remember when you had to be conservative
in order to be considered far-right.
Now you can be a pretty middle-of-the-road moderate type, or even a soft liberal, and be considered far-right.
tim pool
I can straight up be like, well, I, for one, think we need a progressive tax
in universal basic healthcare.
And they're like, he's far right.
seamus coughlin
He's far right.
jon nicosia
Well, it's just a pejorative now.
It's just a label like anything else to put you down, call you a racist, far right.
And then people hope after the first label, you don't read about what you're actually saying.
ian crossland
I like alt-right.
What is that?
Is that up?
Is alt-right actually down?
jon nicosia
Well, it's the new Nazi, I think, was the kind of, during Trump, was the alt-right.
tim pool
The alt-right had a lot in common with the woke left in terms of their racial ideologies.
ian crossland
So racism.
tim pool
In fact, that's actually how the alt-right explained it in many circumstances.
It was actually expressed to me that the alt-right is basically Black Lives Matter for white people.
ian crossland
Yeah, the white purity movement.
No, no, no.
tim pool
White purity?
That's a bit much.
jon nicosia
It's like pride.
tim pool
No, no, no.
What they were literally saying was, you can accuse them of secretly believing whatever they want.
What many of these guys were publicly saying was, white rights.
They were like, all we're trying to do is make sure that, you know, we have equal rights.
And look, you can call them liars, but that's what they were publicly stating.
ian crossland
I had a lot of moderate minds.
I'd see a lot of white purity stuff that was really annoying.
tim pool
That's totally different.
ian crossland
I mean, that's white purity stuff.
Yeah.
But that's, I think, where the alt-right came from, is they thought that that was this dangerous racist, white racist movement.
But this Black Lives Matter is very similar.
I'm not going to say the exact same thing, but it's also like a race movement.
tim pool
The general idea which allowed the literal neo-Nazis to recruit was that they were going to young white men Who were frustrated for a variety of reasons, couldn't find work, and they were saying, hey, you see all those memes?
All those news stories about how white people are bad and evil?
Doesn't that frustrate you and make you angry?
Join us!
And they would say, okay, my grievance has now been addressed.
ian crossland
Yeah, and it'd be a normal guy would be like, okay, fine.
And then he'd make a post that would say, it's okay to be white.
And you'd be like, and then they'd be like, oh, he's he's indicating racism.
This is a racist movement.
jon nicosia
You know, and then the left, it's, there's this kind of push on both sides.
And then, you know, you make this symbol, this firefighter maid, and now he's a white guy.
And there was this whole media circus behind all of it that took, you know, I'm sure there are plenty of, you know, white supremacist fringes in that movement, but the vast majority of them were probably just guys saying, I'm a straight white guy.
What's wrong with me?
And then you get this pushback from the left saying you're this, that, and the other thing, and you make them more extreme because you're continually trying to one up each other.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, and when you look at how hard the left has to reach and grasp its straws in order to conjure up any kind of narrative of America being a white supremacist country, basically all the hate crime narratives we hear end up being completely false upon further investigation.
They don't hold up to the slightest scrutiny.
Every single time they accuse someone of being racism, it's because they dog whistled a dog whistle, which was also a dog whistle that could possibly have some racist meaning behind it.
That only they could hear and somehow only left-wing people end up hearing.
jon nicosia
But also you would hear things like, you know, Asian hate, Asian hate, Asian hate.
And then you would, you know, look further and it was a black guy with an Asian girl.
Black guy, black.
And then you watched in the media that the race, which was just part of as being in an editor,
you would ask their age and normally their race, normally just started to vanish.
So if it was a group of five black kids, it would just save five people.
If it was five white men doing something to somebody else, you'd see something,
especially if it was a white guy going after an Asian, they would always show that it was a white guy.
seamus coughlin
And then I found out that it was a lot of others.
I'm not sure if y'all remember a couple of years ago.
There were there was a group of black young adults who kidnapped a white young adult with autism and tortured him for days and It was a consistent trend that in media they were referred to as kids and he was referred to as a man and Were they under 18?
Even though they were all over the age of 18.
ian crossland
Oh, that's weird.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
Because, and it's the same thing, whenever you have any kind of racial narrative,
if the white person is the victim and they're attacked by another minority group
or a minority group, then the race is left out of it.
But if there's a minority being attacked by a white person, of course the racial identity is front and center.
Ethnic identity is front and center in the report.
ian crossland
It feels like there's a very small minority of vocal racists that were like white supremacist racists that use social media to amplify it.
And then there's a very small minority of black supremacists, these people that are like trying to run the black racist movement.
And we're caught in the middle.
Most people are.
And they're like, what in the hell?
But then it starts to seep into the politics.
And then you're like, oh, God, we got to take control of our government.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
I'm gonna pull up this tweet from Nate Silver. He says, folks, it's not that hard. The left has moved to the left
No.
in the US and the right has moved to the right. What? That's not true. No. Pew Research actually tracked and I think
they did this based on the language used by both parties.
Yes. It is plain to see. The The right has moved a little bit to the right.
Okay, fine, fair point.
The left has gone completely off the rails.
So from where I'm standing, I can't even see where the left is.
I'm like, what are they doing?
I look over to my right and I'm like, oh, there's a guy who doesn't believe in gay marriage.
I'm like, but that's recognizable to me.
I disagree, but I've seen that before.
jon nicosia
The difference as a gay man, let me just tell you that.
The difference was, In the past, if you weren't against gay marriage, that was fine.
That was one thing.
Now, the left has to destroy you for that view.
So the old left would just be like, you know, give them a chance.
It's not going to change your life.
And now they're finding out where you work so they can tell you're a BLAS, you're a homophobe.
That's the, from a gay man's point of view, who looks at all this insanity and sees that, I've seen that change.
Where you could just disagree.
Like say, I don't think that, I think it's a traditional thing that, you know, man and a woman.
Go have your civil unions.
Fine.
The liberal in the audience would be just like, oh, you know, you should really think that over.
Now the liberal in the audience gets on Twitter, tells them who you are and has you fired.
And that's how far the left have gone with these types of things.
And you can pick any topic and they'll do the same thing.
ian crossland
I do believe that the right has gone further right.
It's just been banned off of social media because I had to administer these people on mines.
Like I saw them exodus from Twitter, YouTube and Facebook and like they were very extreme.
jon nicosia
I think what's happened is when I think and I hate to keep saying Trump all the time, but when he came along.
An industry popped up where you had this disinformation.
For some reason, we had social media for years that didn't need fact-checkers.
CNN was from the 80s and didn't have a front and focal fact-checker that needed to come out every 10 minutes, Dale, and tell you what was right.
That's what the journalist was supposed to do.
And I think what happened over the years was that the highlighting of these terrible things were amplified.
And so an event occurred.
There was six people.
Now there's white nationalism.
And then Trump must like that.
If you're a conservative today, then you agree that people should burn down the Capitol.
I mean, that's where we are in your Discord these days.
If you're a conservative, or you voted for Trump, then you think that the riots were fine.
tim pool
I want to point out another big issue in all of this too, and I have this Pew research.
Democrats and Republicans more ideologically divided than in the past, and we can see 9404 2014.
This is the chart that's often cited by many people.
There's another one that updates it and it shows a later year, I think 2018.
You can see in this chart, at the very least, that in the 90s, Democrats and Republicans overlapped greatly.
In 2004, they did quite a bit.
Republicans had a bit more.
By 2014, the Democrats have moved much further left than the Republicans have moved to the right.
You can see by looking down here at the bottom right.
Now, the Democrats jumped, I think, like three or four points to the left and the Republicans have moved like one or two.
Here's the fascinating thing.
Nate Silver has another bit of data from Pew Research saying the exact opposite.
seamus coughlin
This killed me.
tim pool
This shows the Democrats staying static and the Republicans going to the far right.
jon nicosia
But Nate Silver also said Hillary was gonna win.
tim pool
But these are both from Pew Research.
So what'll happen is Nate Silver chooses this and says, see, the Republicans went far right.
And then what did we just cite a moment ago?
I cited the data saying the opposite.
So I just, I throw this in the garbage.
I'll tell you this.
The only real change I've had in my politics is gun rights.
I used to be kind of middle of the road, like, maybe there could be some gun control.
And now I'm like, no gun control.
Everybody gets 50 BMGs.
Everything else is basically the same.
ian crossland
Mine's social medicine.
I used to be all about it, but now I see these people that just eat crappy food and refuse to stop.
seamus coughlin
I'm not gonna pay for them.
No one with any sense can take a chart like that seriously.
It's just something that left-wing people believe in because they buy into all the hate hoaxes they hear from the media and they genuinely believe that America has become a fascist country because Donald Trump was elected fairly in 2016.
We did a video about this for Freedom Tunes where we debunked a similar analysis that Carlos Maza was using and so we sort of went through and pulled it apart but In order to get figures like this, the one that we debunked specifically, which I'm sure uses a similar methodology, basically put Obama and Harry Truman on the same level with respect to how far to the left they were.
Anyone who knows anything about history or either of those men will tell you that that's absolutely ridiculous.
And you mentioned earlier that Obama is on the right, technically speaking, or according to the analysis you brought up earlier, he was the most far left president we had ever had up until the point when he was elected.
tim pool
He campaigned on universal healthcare.
A dramatic and complete overhaul of our healthcare system to the left.
That was substantial.
seamus coughlin
And, as a senator in Illinois, he voted against the Born Alive Act, which would prevent you from being able to kill the child after they were born if the abortion failed.
tim pool
Let me address this tweet from Sawyer Hackett, who responded to Nate Silver.
Sawyer is a blue-check, co-host of Our America Podcast, and he says, The left.
Healthcare should be free, I think.
The right.
Washington is run by a cabal of child-trafficking pedos, and we should violently overthrow—meh.
Both sides, am I right?
Well, let's break this down.
The left is some people who think healthcare should be free.
But would that include me?
Well, I just said I think we should have universal basic healthcare.
I say that all the time.
No, it doesn't include me.
I also don't think Washington is run by a cabal of child trafficking, you know, whatever.
I think that's just corrupt people doing corrupt things.
I do think people like Epstein have a strange amount of influence among powerful global elites, but that's a fact.
So what is he really referring to?
What they're doing is, either they're completely blind or they lie as a means to an end.
When they say, by any means necessary, when they smash windows, when they kill, when they lie, cheat, and steal, and then they look at a group of, you know, 800 or so people who violently rioted at the Capitol, and we sit here and say, that was wrong, they shouldn't have done that, and those who are violent will go to prison, they ignore that outright.
When they lie and make up things about the parental rights and education bill, this is the game they play.
Now, there are people on the right who play a similar game for sure.
But look, I'm approaching this from... I read different news sources.
I use ground.news and look at the bias and ownership of these news outlets.
They can show you if it's conglomerate, private interest.
They can tell you if it's left-leaning or right-leaning.
And what I find is that on the right, For whatever reason, someone like Ben Shapiro, one of the most prominent conservative personalities, whether or not people like him, he's very famous with one of the biggest podcasts in the country, nay, the world, and he is a very moderate conservative guy.
He's not far right.
He's got your traditional conservative positions, and he bases his assessments on fact.
On the left you have people like Rachel Maddow, who for years said insane things about Russia.
Cenk Uygur, who just called for intervention in Ukraine because he thinks Russians are waging this war because they want to kill gay people.
You have people like Joy Reid, who didn't she claim that she got hacked?
jon nicosia
Yes.
tim pool
But didn't they debunk that?
jon nicosia
No, she wasn't hacked.
She had written all these anti-gay homophobic things and then, you know, she was going to get investigated and then that vanished.
tim pool
Lies.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Let me, let me go through the, should we go through the lies again?
I mean, do we really have to keep doing this list?
seamus coughlin
We only have like an hour and a half left.
tim pool
Kyle Rittenhouse.
The Daily Beast has now been rated as caution, fake news.
I'm adding the fake news part, but caution, you know, very big violation of journalistic ethics by NewsGuard.
And it's primarily because everything they report on Kyle Rittenhouse was wrong and they refuse to correct it.
That's the left.
That is the establishment, and it is the people who are like, you know, you've got these leftist personalities who are like, well, I don't like the Democrats.
I'm on the left.
But you all should vote for Joe Biden.
Joe Biden is a corrupt authoritarian, and these people supported him, so spare me.
At the very least, I can explain Donald Trump.
He's a bull rampaging through the ivory tower.
Don't like him and the things he does?
That's fine.
He was a bull rampaging through the ivory tower.
I could accept that, but I like some of his policies.
They play this game.
Where they they're they're obtuse on purpose or they're genuinely just broken people.
jon nicosia
Well they also in the media they'll they'll just leave facts out and they do look the Covington kids you can go down the list of things and if you own the shop like they do they're not going to report it and they've they've lived through this whole existence where they're not used to being called out and they you know Roger Ailes said to me once about, you know, and he's famously said to it in public that, you know, there's 30 liberal sites and organizations on the left and there's just us.
And they can't, they lose their mind over us.
And it's because they call Fox like the canary in the coal mine.
So you notice if you've watched Fox, and God only knows I lived my life doing this for a living, which was, they've been talking about the border for months and months and months.
And now all of a sudden you start to see this creep into CNN and Title 42 and what are we going to do?
And you're like, if you've been watching Fox, you've heard about it since, you know, last year when they were coming
across the border.
So the media has famously, when it comes to writing about the left or the right, they will pick it.
It's the gay, you know, the gay don't say gay bill.
You know, nothing in the bill said gay.
And yet it's, if you looked at the headlines, they just copied and pasted off.
They went just because, you know, I've worked in newsrooms.
It's a bunch of 20 year old people afraid to not go on a date.
And it's a bunch of old editors who are afraid to get yelled at on Twitter or afraid to not go on a date.
Afraid that they won't.
I've seen it in conservative newsrooms in D.C.
where you still have young people who are quote-unquote conservatives, but they are very in tune to what people are saying to them about them on Twitter because they have to live in this liberal city.
You know, what we're seeing with everything is fierce ability to come back at people like, you know, you do and other people they, you know, you will say what you mean and not worry about it.
Whereas you have so many people who are terrified because they see what happens to people.
They get canceled.
I mean, you know, this libs of TikTok comes out there and just basically just rewrites what people not saying you didn't change the video.
Yeah, it's like Hillary's emails.
Nothing in those emails were made up.
That's what they said.
You know, people read them and, oh, these people are crazy.
But the libs of TikTok is a perfect example.
She has a million followers now because of these people.
But they were so threatened by just... But all it did was bring and take the filter out of the media.
Because do you think the media is going to go look at what people are saying about kids being taught this or that in school?
Because those are the facts.
tim pool
Take a look at this story from 2019.
When did Barack Obama become a Republican?
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
I don't know.
How about this one from the Washington Post?
November 22, 2019.
Barack Obama.
Conservative.
Yeah, so when they're like, the right has moved to the right.
And also, Barack Obama, who's in favor of universal healthcare, is a conservative and Republican.
Y'all have lost the plot.
I'm sorry.
There's not even a point to reading through this stuff at this point.
seamus coughlin
Well, here's the thing, Barack Obama is not to the left as the niche far left ideology that like some 16 year old on Twitter is posting about, therefore he's on the right.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
I can't contribute because I don't know what the right and the left are anymore.
Donald Trump was a liberal guy that ran for the Republican Party.
tim pool
Tribe.
Tribe.
It's tribe.
ian crossland
I guess so.
And depending on where you're standing, your feelings, it's left or it's right.
jon nicosia
I think it's a community.
But Trump was the guy, I said this before, when you were the boomer, me, or Gen X, yelling at the TV, he yelled back.
For years they would scream at the TV about immigration or something.
And for once a politician actually yelled back at them.
And they heard them.
Like somebody heard me yelling.
And they went out in droves.
I have friends up in Massachusetts who are staunch liberals who are like, you know what?
I'm going to vote for him because I've seen Hillary and I don't want that.
But he speaks to me.
Now, you know, 10 years ago as a conservative, you know, you'd be thrown out if you even a hint that you cheated on your wife.
And now that's fine because people were so sick of being talked down to that, you know, the flyover states and this and that, that he, he hit a nerve in people and everyone, you know, the people voted for him.
Remember him in the eighties, they weren't, you know, they remember Ivanka.
They remember that whole show of a mess that took place in his life.
They knew it wasn't going to be pretty.
But they wanted to blow that city up. And you know, it blew up the media, him, everyone around him,
seamus coughlin
and you know, it changed America forever. You mentioned some of the misdeeds in Trump's
personal life. The left spent years telling us that we shouldn't care how a person could
conducts themself in their private life, what we should care about are the policies they support,
as if a political leader is just a set of policies and not a person who has to make
moral decisions by the people that they're committed to.
And then Trump comes along, and he absolutely did not follow the rules that I, as a
Christian and many conservatives, would say that a political leader should, but he didn't
hate us. He didn't absolutely detest us, like virtually every other political leader of my lifetime
has.
And so conservatives said, you know what, we'll take this guy.
And the left went, but don't you care about his personal life?
tim pool
Didn't he call Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig or something?
jon nicosia
Yes, he called her a fat pig.
tim pool
And everyone's laughing and screaming and cheering.
jon nicosia
Yeah, I mean, you know, he said things that a lot of people thought.
You're right, he's a billionaire who should look down from his tower, but for whatever reason, if you talk to these people, especially people at some of these events with him, And it was like a god showed up, because it's a lot of people who spent a lot of years caring about the country and watching it tick away.
And somebody... Now, he was flawed and you can say what you want about him, but his heart was at least in the right place from their point of view.
ian crossland
And, you know... We need... Americans want to be involved in the political process, as they should be, and the presidents are representative.
So for a president to respond to you and allow themselves to be changed by your opinions, that's the point.
I think he embodied that.
tim pool
That's why a lot of people really like Donald Trump.
seamus coughlin
I also want to mention this on the point of his personal life and his private life.
It's not as if we just had this abundance of very well-conducted moral people to choose from for President of the United States.
You didn't have the most moral person who had ever lived running next to Donald Trump.
tim pool
Hillary Clinton.
seamus coughlin
Trump versus Hillary Clinton?
tim pool
Yeah, seriously.
seamus coughlin
Then in the Republican primaries it was like Trump versus a bunch of swamp creatures?
tim pool
Yeah, Jeb Bush.
seamus coughlin
For the most part, not all of them.
tim pool
When I saw Hillary in 2016, I just laughed.
I was like, you think I'm going to vote for that?
You're insane.
ian crossland
That's so nice.
tim pool
This lady was like warmonger of warmongers.
But the first female president, oh.
seamus coughlin
And you know what?
She doesn't believe all women.
tim pool
Let me pull up this next story here so I've got some good news.
Let's talk about where we're heading.
CNN Plus to cease on Thursday, two days earlier than announced.
CNN Plus couldn't even fail on schedule.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's brutal.
jon nicosia
That is brutal.
tim pool
Well, this is a big change.
I mean, CNN put $300 million, I believe, into it, right?
jon nicosia
Yes.
tim pool
$300 million!
jon nicosia
And, you know, the story behind it is, you know, somebody I know at Discovery called it an ego project, basically, a Zucker ego project.
And it was tossed in By the guy who left there, kind of as a, we wanted this, we're gonna do it, you're stuck with it.
And I don't think anyone thought that they were just gonna shut it down.
Because, you know, that's a pretty big move to bring over Chris Wallace and so forth.
Now, I had reported that when Chris got over there, he was, you know, having people count, like, interns count how many times.
He was furious.
Because, you know, the staff was different.
It wasn't as big of an operation.
His ego.
One of the little secrets is most of these anchors hate each other.
There's very few people.
Don Lemon and Cuomo used to have these little chit-chats.
Boy, when Cuomo left, Lemon couldn't talk about him bad as fast as he could.
Famously, Wallace and Tapper hate each other.
The problem was when Zucker left, he left this giant vacuum of power because he was hands-on.
And, you know, the thought that, and my old boss, Dan Abrams, did a thing once right when this launched, was like, who thought this would be a good idea?
Like, who thought you wanted to watch?
And Tucker, like, somebody said to me, and I was kind of invested but not super, was like, you know that Tapper has a book show on this.
I'm like, a book show?
We're gonna listen to him talk about books on streaming?
And I remember thinking to myself, that can't be true.
And there it was.
And, you know, I've been in the media 15 years and not only is there a city bubble in New York and D.C.
there's also a media bubble within them that they think that they live in this moment and they live in these big important roles and if you try to question their judgment or disrupt their judgment on how things should work.
And you know, it's kind of like when Facebook years ago said pivot to video and all these companies spent millions of dollars spending on video equipment and then nothing happened because I guess millennials wanted 15 second videos, not 30 second videos.
But this was, you know, we need a streaming service because the kids are watching streaming.
And most people think to themselves, it had to be like a lot of focus groups and stuff.
Yeah, they paid money to be told that this would work.
When if you asked a person on the corner, would this, a homeless person, who had a bare, like had watched Cable in the last five years, would say God no.
He wouldn't, you know, but they- Did they not do- They did a study, and I can't remember whether it was KPMG, and I don't wanna, but it was one of the big ones that said, this will be X amount of X whatever.
Now, to be fair, when Zucker came on, when he took over, he introduced documentaries.
Now you look at CNN today and you think, wow, they have some pretty good documentaries.
And people made fun of him when he did that.
So he's had some good ideas.
Let's just say that if they had endless amounts of money and endless amounts of time, maybe once no one had cable anymore and this was the only way to watch CNN, it might have worked.
But when Discovery comes in and has, you know, X amount of billions of dollars in debt, and this thing is costing, and you know, Walz is making seven million.
I mean, that's what they're paying him.
Oh, yeah, absolutely had to be about worth every seven to $10 million because retirement.
That's about what Lemon and those people make.
Now, the odds are that Walsh is probably going to end up with Cuomo's old time slot at nine.
Because you got this guy, what are you going to do with him?
He's a good brand.
The problem with him, when I reported this, he has no beachhead.
Both sides hate him equally.
The left hate him because he was near Fox.
The Fox people hate him because he couldn't just be quiet and leave.
He had to poop on Tucker and the left, and they remember this.
tim pool
And so he's kind of this island of people who... But I heard that the new leadership wants to purge CNN of the political stuff.
unidentified
Yes.
jon nicosia
So it's happening.
If you're a casual watcher and watch, say, Brian Stelter, who right now is kind of this thing to watch as far as the tempo there, he's the guy who used to, every Sunday, go after Fox or tweet at Fox or say this stuff about... He hasn't said anything about Fox.
Cause they kind of set the rules where this isn't about, this is a news organization.
This isn't about going after another news organization.
This is about, you know, and then the Ukraine, the Ukraine stuff happened.
Perfect timing for the people in Discovery who wanted to see CNN go back to news because they do an excellent job.
Kalissa Ward and all these people are bombs going off.
It reminds the only people who are watching cable, boomers, of you know Bernie in Iraq when you know we for the first time saw war happen live during shock and awe so it kind of reinforced that there is a business there now the problem with that is no one's watching cable news anymore and unless it's a crazy moment happening people aren't running to the TVs and god only know you guys in your 20s aren't sitting there watching cable on your if you even have a cable TV package
tim pool
It used to be that when I heard, when I saw a tweet and it said, thing happened, I would turn on CNN.
I don't do that anymore.
jon nicosia
I turn on Fox.
But also that whole breaking news thing used to be when there was breaking news, now Fox has it in every commercial, and it's kind of lost its luster where you used to hear that noise and something big was happening.
But this will be probably one of the largest media disasters, I hope, for hundreds of years from now.
I mean, it's the epic size of this.
seamus coughlin
You can't even begin to... There's part of me that would like to believe that the people at CNN putting the project together saw the market research that showed it wouldn't work.
They're like, hold on, let's just send it to Snopes first.
Let's see if they can debunk this research telling us it's not going to work.
jon nicosia
Again, you can't imagine the egos at play.
And you, you know, they live in now Hudson Yards, this gigantic building on this island with looking down at people and they all talk to each other.
They all go to the same places.
They all, you know, are all above everyone else.
And, you know, the lack of failure and they just can't figure out why Fox works.
tim pool
But this, CNN Plus is the perfect example of the information CNN presents itself.
jon nicosia
Correct.
tim pool
They live in a bubble where they're all farting and then rushing over to smell the person's fart and telling everybody it smells like cinnamon buns.
jon nicosia
I call it navel gazing.
And it's if you go to these parties, you'll like, I'll tell you one thing, working at Mediaite, the best thing that ever happened was the CNN launch parties.
When they launched this thing, I don't know what the number is, but it was hundreds of thousands of dollars for the launch party of this.
No, it's just all of the media people come from all the different media places.
That's why, you know, Fox is the outlier, but you'll all see them with each other at different parties and it's all this little club they're in and they all know each other and they've all worked with each other.
That's why you see media reporters that, you know, will always, you know, kind of hedge what they're going to say because they're thinking, well, who knows what they're going to own someday and I might want to work for them.
seamus coughlin
Mm.
Wouldn't it be hysterical if you turn on CNN?
They're like, CNN Plus is doing great!
Yeah, no, it's awesome!
jon nicosia
Well, they did!
seamus coughlin
Best network ever!
Are you kidding me?
Come on!
Matt Dornick, the... Oh, the communication strategist.
jon nicosia
He is.
He's a conservative gay guy who was kind of invented for Trump because the CNN PR used to be the kindest, sweetest people.
Like, if they, working on the other end of it, when they didn't like something, it would be this nice email.
And they got Matt to just become this bulldog that was basically the Trump version of a PR person at CNN.
But anyway he famously said it was doing great and they were hoping it and then it went out of business like two days later.
seamus coughlin
Yeah so Matt Dornick this is a funny story here.
It was pointed out that Joe Biden is not a practicing Catholic because by definition he is and he doesn't give assent to Catholic teaching and so someone reached out to CNN Explaining this, CNN, you called Joe Biden a practicing Catholic.
He is not.
That is a factual error.
You should correct it.
Matt Dornick screenshots the email and tweets it out saying, this is really gross.
Which personally, personally speaking, I don't think it's a great communication strategy.
It's like screenshot someone's email and then post it calling it gross.
But also he dismissed a blatant, like clear cut fact.
jon nicosia
He's kind of the representation of what happened to CNN in the Trump era, in that it was all—they felt the only way to respond to him has become—see, they viewed him as just this ignorant, loud buffoon, and what they ended up becoming was the ignorant, loud buffoon.
tim pool
The Chris Wallace news makes me feel really good.
What's the word?
Schadenfreude.
jon nicosia
He was fine until he left.
Like Megyn Kelly when she left.
She went to NBC.
Now, I love Megyn Kelly.
But everyone knew, you know, you are what Fox makes you.
Your audience isn't going to go to NBC in the morning.
tim pool
That was weird.
jon nicosia
But she ended up with 30 million extra bucks in the bank because she said something offensive about, again, she was Black Santa and then said something offensive.
tim pool
It wasn't even offensive.
No, but to them.
Why is that offensive?
seamus coughlin
And they're like you don't know but they think they just wanted an excuse to go to contract. Everyone knows it was
jon nicosia
everyone knew It was a pile on she knew it was a pile on that's why she
tim pool
got paid and off she went and now she's Didn't they they initially did was it the first the morning
show with Megan? Yeah. Yeah. Well, she had the morning show said just like dancing
jon nicosia
Yeah, then she said this thing. She asked why was blackface offensive? Why was blackface offensive? It's your new
seamus coughlin
Well, she should be in jail.
jon nicosia
No, but you're a news person.
seamus coughlin
She belongs in prison.
jon nicosia
And, you know, that's the point.
Like, what's the question you can't ask anymore is how the news is made.
Not what should, like, there's no more, like, Chris Wallace's father, Mike Wallace, you'd be scared out of your wits when he walked in the doors because there was nothing, there was, you know, no agenda with him.
Now, of course, they were all left-leaning, but still, you know, We are in a period where it's the words you're not allowed to say.
Why do gay people get a month?
If I'm a reporter and I went into the headquarters of Gay Incorporated.
Why didn't you get a month?
What happened?
Why does everyone have to change their logos, except for in the Middle East?
Are you okay with that?
And you can't show Dr. Strange's new movie in there because it's a gay character.
Does that bother you?
Nope.
It's like, where did LGBTQ+, A, Z, where did that come from?
tim pool
You can't ask those questions.
seamus coughlin
Correct.
tim pool
But I will say, I thought it was strange that they moved Megyn Kelly from, what was it, Fox News Prime Time to NBC Morning Show.
It's like a family, woman-oriented thing.
jon nicosia
And it's what happens to media people.
I love her to death.
I love them all.
But you lose your mind.
You become so famous that you think it's all about that.
tim pool
That's what CNN Plus is.
But let's talk about some other good news.
Some other good news here.
seamus coughlin
While you're pulling this up, can I just mention something to his earlier point?
So you said that CNN was kind of trying to do this tough guy thing and mimic Trump.
And I noticed a little bit of that.
And I think it's funny because A, they clearly misunderstood.
It's not just that people like that Trump was a tough guy.
They liked who he was going after.
But even in the example I brought up of Matt Dornick going, this is really gross.
That's not a tough guy thing to say.
unidentified
Can you imagine Trump going, this is really gross, quite frankly?
seamus coughlin
No, he would actually go after the person.
They didn't know how to do it.
tim pool
Well, let's pull up this next story because it's good news.
Actually, John, do you want to explain what's going on with this?
jon nicosia
So, I reported this and, you know, the media people are all like, oh, she's going nowhere.
tim pool
Joy Reid is out.
jon nicosia
Well, not officially yet, but Comcast doesn't like her.
The people, Roberts and the people at the top don't like her.
And I got wind of something that was said that, you know, They're going to use, and I said this to somebody, that if you notice in the last few days you saw her ratings being leaked out as far as she's had the lowest ratings and whatever.
But she's just becoming offensive to everyone and it's becoming offensive to advertisers.
There's a lot of advertisers who are balking.
There's only so many times you can say that Elon Musk bought it because he wants apartheid back.
You can say that white people did X, Y, and Z.
But if you just start using it as an example for everything, you start to become offensive to mostly, even black people find her offensive.
Many of my black friends, many people I've talked to find her offensive.
tim pool
She does comparable to Don Lemon, but that's not saying much.
jon nicosia
Yeah, well, neither of those people are probably going to be around for the long term.
tim pool
I mean, take a look at this.
This is Tuesday's ratings in the key demo.
This is fascinating.
Joy Reid with $130,000 against Burnett with $170,000.
Anderson Cooper with $170,000.
Don Lemon with $136,000 and then $116,000.
Jake Tapper with $140,000 and $159,000.
unidentified
Blitzer $152,000.
tim pool
That's remarkable because we do better than that.
AnonLemon with 136 and then 116, JakeTapper with 140 and 159, Blitzer 152.
That's remarkable because we do better than that in the key demo.
jon nicosia
Oh, absolutely.
tim pool
Now, you look at Waters, 368.
You look at Carlson, 591.
jon nicosia
I've looked at these ratings for 15 years and nothing changes.
Fox stays where it is.
And, you know, for a long time, CNN wanted to be MSNBC because they were beating them.
And then they decided, no, that's too to the left.
And then Trump came along and you can't be what you're not.
tim pool
Wasn't Tucker Carlson on MSNBC?
jon nicosia
No, he was on CNN.
He used to be a CNN show.
Yeah, he was.
tim pool
But he was on MSNBC as well.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah.
If you combine Anderson Cooper from CNN and Chris Hayes and MSNBC, you combine their ratings, it is still almost 300,000 viewers less than Tucker Carlson.
jon nicosia
Fox sometimes triples them combined.
It's not even a contest.
You know, there is media reporters who keep asking, like at MSNBC, they're giving Rachel Maddow millions of dollars to do nothing.
She does one show a week now and now has special projects.
tim pool
Good for her.
jon nicosia
Yeah, because they don't know what to do with her.
What Happened With Joy reads a fun story in that it revolves a lot around what happened with George Floyd.
And it's a basic narrative, and that is there, you know, Al Sharpton's those types of people who have used race as a way to continue to make money.
And she used it as a way to keep her job because everyone at MSNBC is terrified of her.
And everyone at NBCUniversal is terrified of her.
On the other hand, people at Comcast, now, there's also other things coming.
And speaking of someone we've talked about earlier, there's lawsuits coming about things she has said about people and so forth.
And we saw what happened with the Covington kids as far as how that went for CNN and others.
And she has said some things equal about people that are coming down the pike.
All in all, she's just not a positive light for the network.
And that whole gay thing has come back to haunt her in ways that I don't think she's quite well aware of.
tim pool
You can never survive on the left, man.
jon nicosia
If you're on the left and you say something like that, you're like, oh, it was hacked.
Okay, move on.
If you're on the right, they would want to see the forensics of it before you'd get your show back.
seamus coughlin
And that's sort of part of my concern with what we were discussing earlier about Elon Musk potentially unveiling some sketchiness or potential fraud with Twitter's code is that I think it would end up being the same kind of stories we got with Hillary's emails.
Everyone would know that there was foul play and nothing would be done about it and it would just sort of be waved away.
I do also want to mention, however, that when we're looking at Wallace's numbers, Tapper's numbers, even Maddow's numbers, I'm honored to say that I once did a cartoon that was a parody of a news show and it was literally just people farting and it got more views.
This is important.
tim pool
This is the key demo.
We're not winning against CNN when it comes to old people.
jon nicosia
No.
tim pool
So if you look, uh, this is, this is, uh, what do we got here?
25 to 54 for us, I believe around 80% of our viewers are 18 to 54.
jon nicosia
Their average viewer is 68 or 69.
tim pool
So you look at this.
CNN, when you do all viewers, they say 25 to 54.
Rest assured, CNN is not getting 500, 600,000 viewers from 18 to 24.
jon nicosia
Right.
And there's no more airport video of them.
So these are people probably in institutions or places they can't change the channel because I don't know any 18 year olds watching CNN.
ian crossland
I want to see what their engagement is because they just have the TV show.
They have a TV on from 4 o'clock to 10 o'clock and they just let it run when they're in the other room.
tim pool
How old is Rachel Maddow?
jon nicosia
She's got to be in her late 40s or 50s by now.
tim pool
It's it's it's a yeah.
And how old is Tucker?
unidentified
Tucker's 50s something.
ian crossland
Maddow was born in 1973.
So she's 47, 48.
tim pool
1973 so she's 47 40. It's really quite amazing It's a strange it's a strange thought for me the people who
typically are like yo, hey I know who you are your Tim pool when they greet me on the
street or whatever same it ages me. Oh, yes, you know an eels Often a lot of people who look like they're mid to late 20s
I couldn't imagine being someone like mad out and you go outside and young people don't know who you are
And then you see some old perfect I'm a Rachel Maddow, I'm a big fan!
jon nicosia
So it's either like the super viewer... That's gonna be a cartoon.
I'm stealing that.
I bet it's the girl with the pink hair and the purple hair who come up to her or people who are invested in the script.
seamus coughlin
Even those far lefties though, even those progressive types who are just completely wrong about everything, even they don't like legacy media.
They'll watch Twitch streamers who have a left-wing perspective.
tim pool
That's true.
Like, you know, Hasan.
Young people are going to know who he is.
jon nicosia
I know who he is.
tim pool
Tucker Carlson with nearly 600,000 in the key demo.
Yeah, he's going to go outside and young people are going to be like, Tucker!
jon nicosia
They know who he is.
They know who he is because he speaks to people.
Like he speaks, you know, you guys have to take on the rest of this world.
And I think he speaks to people who care about what's happening in the country.
And I think, you know, Maddox, it's incredible.
She got, her ratings were Fox-esque.
During certain, like the whole, you know, Mueller report.
Those types of things where people, and that shows you where we are as a country, because they're watching as a sporting event.
They want their Team Trump to go down.
They want him, Mueller, to come up and say, I got him.
And that's all they're watching it for.
tim pool
She almost cried when the Mueller report came out.
jon nicosia
Well, famously, media, I'm not sure you can see it on the site anymore, but a famous ABC journalist cried the night that Trump got elected.
And and he called her out later In in one of the first times he met them. But yeah, there
was a lot of people invested I mean that night was surreal just of how many people were
tim pool
sad something happened in like 2015 to 2016 You know in this period where people's brains just just
jon nicosia
crack it Well, it was that moment.
It was like Ben, what's his name outside the Hillary event, Ben Rhodes, where he's just sitting there, that video of him just sitting there going, I don't know what happened.
It's a famous video right after she gives her concession speech.
And he's just like blindsided.
And it's famous because no one really knew what to say because one side of you were like, wow, I voted for him.
But do you think he's good and sane and the other side of you was like, yeah, you know, and I watched a lot of young people feel really happy about the future.
And, you know, plus I think the mood of the country was they were sick and tired of the establishment.
tim pool
I want to mention this too.
It's not just Joy Reid.
James Corden is quitting the Late Late Show.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Yo, the machine is falling apart.
jon nicosia
Well, also late night shows used to be funny and now they're just political hit jobs.
tim pool
Well, yeah, it's Claptor.
seamus coughlin
And there's so many of them.
tim pool
It's Colbert.
Colbert coming up on his show and saying, hey, hey, Republicans are bad.
jon nicosia
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like, that's not a joke, dude.
jon nicosia
I'm not laughing.
tim pool
Or him doing the vaccine dance thing.
These people have gone nuts.
seamus coughlin
I mean, look, late night is just by definition a really disadvantaged formula because a good stand-up comedian might come out with an hour every year.
And then these late night hosts come out there, what, every night with something like 45 minutes of material.
And so it's not going to be the best for the most part, even if you have talented writers, but they've stopped trying to be funny altogether.
And it literally is just clapter, like you mentioned.
jon nicosia
They always used to be an escape.
You'd watch, showing my age, Johnny Carson and these other people.
And I remember you'd hear him joke about Nixon or something, but then he'd get on.
And people don't watch these shows to hear about how bad the Republicans are.
tim pool
Or it's the sophistry.
is the the Jimmy Kimmel. Why is he having political debates with people like Marjorie Taylor Greene
on his show? Yo, can you hold on guys? Um, Moon Knight came out, right? It's a Marvel show.
Here's Tim Marvel memeing. No, no, but I mean, this is also, I mean, Disney's got new shows.
Why don't you come out and be like, you guys see that new show?
There's a new movie with Northmen!
And then everyone can clap and cheer for Alex Skarsgård and he can make a joke about it.
jon nicosia
I would say that if you were a conspiracy theorist, you would say that there's a media apparatus that feeds off of itself.
If you ever listen to what Colbert says at night, he's kind of picking up on what the theme of the day was for them going after whoever on Marjorie Taylor Greene.
So she's the piñata for the left for the day and he kind of finishes it off at the end of the day.
And they used to do that in a funny way, him and, Jon Stewart's a perfect example.
He's been in the news lately where he went completely crazy left the other day
where he used to be, I mean, he'd be, if you look at some of his oldest shows,
he's gonna be a conservative considered today.
He used to be moderate in the middle, and he would grab everyone, and you'd joke about some idiot saying something.
Even the Republicans would be funny.
And now you feel as though he knows that he has to do these things to survive, or he will be, you know, canceled.
Just like Nancy Pelosi is afraid AOC is going to cancel her.
tim pool
But these people are, uh, sad.
No, they are.
They're sad.
jon nicosia
They are.
tim pool
Because, you know what young people want?
Authenticity.
jon nicosia
Correct.
tim pool
Old people, I guess, find John.
You know, you looked at some market research and they said, John, I'm telling you, you gotta go woke and be as racist as you can against white people.
jon nicosia
Right.
tim pool
And then John's like, I'm gonna do it!
And then the rest of us are just like, what happened to that guy?
jon nicosia
Right.
tim pool
He lost his audience.
That Elon Musk meme.
Let me pull that meme back up.
Look at this.
This image right here, this me in the middle, that's Jon Stewart's fan base.
Right.
Straight up.
Jon Stewart praised Project Veritas.
He mocked him a little bit in funny ways, like making fun of James' clothing, but said, journalists, where are you?
Look who's scooping you.
How did these guys pull it off?
And then he used the reporting legitimately, not ironically.
The Acorn investigation.
Correct.
I like that.
jon nicosia
I remember when he came out in his pimp outfit for the first time when he did his first show on Fox News.
I remember it to this day.
And we did this whole write-up about him.
And you've watched as he, you know, and you're listening to a Google employee or whoever he happens to be getting, a CNN employee producer saying, yeah, we lean left.
And the next day, somehow, that isn't what you just saw.
And that's what's happening.
I think people that are young know this is all BS.
tim pool
You know what it is?
It's that people like Jon Stewart bring in an audience who doesn't pay attention to the news, and then he says things, and the applause sign lights up, and everyone's like, And they used to be interview shows up until 2006.
ian crossland
The only way you're going to see an actor talk about their experience was on The Tonight Show or Letterman or something like that.
Now they have their own YouTube channels.
You don't need that crap junk.
And now they're just trying to fill the void with political trash.
jon nicosia
And they have to say something.
Crap on Trump.
It's just like the ward shows.
I mean, you used to go to those for escapism and now you know whatever is happening in the media as far as politics on the right.
And then there was the gay, gay, gay thing this time where there was this gay bill and everyone had to say gay, gay, gay.
And you see the ratings.
Do you not see what you're doing?
No one's watching you anymore because they're I'm tired.
It's exhausting.
tim pool
But it's not true.
That's the issue.
It's like when they're going out and screaming gay, everyone's like, why are you doing that?
jon nicosia
Right.
tim pool
Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks, he tweets out, conservatives claim to be pro-free speech, but they literally celebrate a bill called Don't Say Gay.
And I'm like, bro, the bill's not called that.
And he's like, yeah, well, you don't speak out against DeSantis for his anti-BDS legislation.
I was like, we mentioned it almost every time we talk about DeSantis.
We say it was bad.
Moving on.
jon nicosia
I tweeted and I said, I think the Don't Say Gay Bill might be the largest, fastest fake news in history.
Because if you were to look at it that day, every single headline started with Don't Say Gay Bill.
And no one, I had this famous fight with Mark Hamill, I said, did you read the bill?
I had thousands of people like coming at me, you know, because no one read the bill.
You don't think Mark Hamill read six pages of this bill that just says you can't?
And then you're like, if you're going to pick a topic, and as a gay person, trust me, that came out in 88, we have a lot of things that we had to overcome.
If you're going to pick arguing over whether K-3 grades can talk about sex, you're going to... I've said this and Sully, what's his name, said it too.
You're going to set the whole cause back 25 years.
Because I've seen a lot of homophobic stuff flow out since then.
Now everyone's this or that or pedophile or that.
tim pool
Let's make this easy for people who aren't familiar.
I have no problem with critical race theory books in schools.
I mean that physically.
I have a problem with critical race praxis in schools.
That is, in curriculum, when teachers put critical race theory in practice in their lessons.
Now, if a school said, hey kids, here we have the Bible, and here we have Kimberly Crenshaw's critical race theory.
We're going to analyze and discuss these ideas.
I'd be like, that's cool.
When they come out, they don't do that, though.
What they actually do now is they say, the Bible can't be in the school at all, but don't worry, there's no critical race theory here.
We just put those lessons in the curriculum.
Now imagine this.
Imagine if your kid went to school one day, and he came back with homework, and the homework said, Jesus had 12 apostles.
One apostle betrayed him.
How many apostles did not betray him?
You'd be like, well, hold on.
But it's like the math problem.
It's a math question.
What is it?
On the third day, Jesus rose.
24 hours are in one day.
How many hours did it take?
That would be Praxis.
Taking the teachings of religion, but putting it in math lessons.
Now, religious schools actually do this, and that's fine if you go to a religious school.
In a public school, I don't think you should have critical praxis or religious praxis, but if the teachers want to discuss any ideology, I'm fine with it.
jon nicosia
I think the one good thing that came out of the pandemic is that parents figured out what their kids were learning in school.
Like, you were just off the kid goes, and I mean, these days, hoping he didn't get shot,
but you just, off they went, and then now you get to look over their shoulder while
they're teaching these things, and I think it was a good, and you saw it in Virginia.
tim pool
You saw- That was the meltdown.
jon nicosia
Yeah, you saw that parents, you don't screw with the kids, and I'll tell you, you know,
there was a lot of Democrats who voted for him because Democrats love telling you how
to run your life until they have to, you know, do it to their kids.
And, uh, we got to see the, what happens when you do that, because, you know, you can't make everyone out to be Trump.
seamus coughlin
I want to mention on the, uh, parental rights and education chat or, uh, Bill, I saw something in the chicken city chat a couple of days ago, and I wish I could remember the username to attribute it to them, but they said it's not, don't say gay it's wait till they're eight, which is, So much more of an accurate way of describing the bill and also helps you understand that it doesn't even go far enough.
jon nicosia
Right.
tim pool
Well, so this is, um, you don't want to give the guy too much attention, but to respond to Cenk Uygur, because he tweeted back at me saying, you guys love to claim the name is this that or otherwise, but it perfectly describes the bill.
I'm like, the bill bans discussions of traditional marriage.
It's just insane.
ian crossland
That they conflated a bill that was trying to prevent teachers from telling kids not to talk to their parents about conversations with homosexuality is egregious.
Like, it does a disservice to the homosexual community.
jon nicosia
Yeah, and now we have the fact that you're learning that teachers are hiding transgender stuff.
Listen, that's the parent's kid.
24 hours, 7 days a week.
It doesn't become your kid.
Teach them how to write and read and send them home.
And if the parents want them to read about sex at whatever age, hopefully by the time they're 13 or 14 maybe, But, you know, there's nothing... I've read the bill.
It's just... It's logical.
Now, you know, you could say the same thing about why can't they talk about my marriage with a man and a woman and... But, you know, I've said this before.
There's an over-representation of gay people in the media.
There's a lot of gay people who work in the media.
Tons of them.
And those people amplify... They make up 6% of the population.
That's the whole alphabet character. 6%.
And that's, you know, they amplify these causes to a point where, you know, years ago that didn't happen.
And nowadays it happens because they're afraid to be called homophobic for not doing it.
tim pool
What we need is for all of these religious teachers to just have discussions with five-year-olds about the Bible and then to tell those kids, Don't let your parents know.
jon nicosia
Can you imagine?
unidentified
Converting their religion against their parents.
seamus coughlin
This is also very important.
As a Catholic, you would absolutely never be advised to baptize someone else's child without their permission.
As a matter of justice, even though we have the full truth, You don't own someone else's kid.
But this is the point.
They are such fervent fanatics.
They own your child in their mind.
tim pool
So when you have this case in Florida where the female student was getting therapies and treatments without the parents knowing.
Some of these are permanent.
jon nicosia
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Imagine if a teacher baptized your kid without you knowing and that's not that that's technically permanent But it's not like altering their body.
You know what I mean?
jon nicosia
It's just you know, the fact that kids are lonely and want to fit into a group I remember going into the first gay club and I think the issue was it was that first moment I ever felt normal because there were people like me around and And that was 1988.
And I can't even imagine today what it feels like for them that now you have to be part of this group.
And that if you're not that, you know, you're shunned or whatever.
But, you know, I see a point of it, but it's also a very, very slippery slope that you're making decisions young.
I mean, I came out in the AIDS right dead center of it and got out of it without a problem because, you know, I save sex and That was it.
But if you're young these days, the pressures on you to be something maybe you're not is permanent nowadays.
Because, you know, once those surgeries and all that stuff happen, and then, you know, there's a growing evidence of people who are now saying, I wish I hadn't done this.
tim pool
Blair White's interviewed more than one person.
jon nicosia
Yeah.
That they're saying that this was a mistake.
I did it when I was young.
I shouldn't have done it.
I was confused.
tim pool
Well, the issue is actually the algorithmic and media manipulation.
jon nicosia
Right.
tim pool
So this ties back to all the stuff happening with Elon Musk.
When you have no people to explain a negative circumstance, you only hear a positive circumstance.
And so what was happening was there was a subreddit that was about detransitioning, and it was people telling their story saying, you know, I didn't have a good time.
Got banned.
There was a website.
Got pulled.
Any instance in which someone said, let me tell you, this wasn't that great, would get removed for hate speech.
Because these kids would then only see a positive message.
jon nicosia
Right.
Because it became, I don't know when it happened, because being gay, you don't think about it, but I guess it was probably like 10 years ago where You know, the pride and all this stuff that comes out that you have to celebrate this.
You know, that being gay requires an extra level of celebration.
And it has to, you have to accept it.
And especially as a parent, you have to accept that I want to be a man now.
tim pool
We went from tolerate to have to.
jon nicosia
Yeah.
And there's no middle ground anymore.
And, you know, I've said this a thousand times, you know, whoever owns the language owns everything and if you can say that this is hate speech because you have said that these people don't didn't agree or had a really bad time transitioning and here's 500 of them and that somehow offends the other side that you're not allowed to talk about it then you're going to create a big and but that's happening in our society with everything this goes back to uh... the twitter conversation again in which
tim pool
Twitter's view of everything was that it was all filtered through a leftist lens.
jon nicosia
Correct.
tim pool
And they kept saying they weren't biased, and I'm trying to explain this to these guys.
I'm like, you're so biased you don't know you are.
You are surrounded by nothing but people on the left, no one but leftists.
You've never talked to a conservative, so you assume when you hear an opinion from a conservative, it's a fringe opinion that no one cares about.
Yes, I get it.
Your brother, sister, and your friends agree with all of your opinions.
You are not the world.
jon nicosia
Right.
tim pool
I find that the left tends to be... It's no surprise that they tend to be atheist, secular, or outright condemn or reject religion because they typically view themselves as the universal center.
jon nicosia
And they're supposedly the most tolerant, which I was hysterical, but the least tolerant people you've ever met in your life.
tim pool
And it's kind of crazy.
But I think as they lose religion, whatever religion that is, as they lose a sense... Their religion becomes their identity, their sexual identity.
People who, if you believe there's something greater than you, in any sense, be it spirituality, be it the universe, magnetic fields, you tend to treat other people more equally because you're like, I'm a person and you're a person, and I must do unto others as I would have them do unto me.
But if you think there's nothing there, Well, then you're going to be more ego-driven.
jon nicosia
Right.
tim pool
You're going to be the one standing on the podium saying, I deserve this.
Right.
No one else.
jon nicosia
Correct.
tim pool
That's what we see a lot of.
They want everyone else banned.
Don't you say naughty words about me.
You shouldn't be allowed to.
I should.
jon nicosia
Well, I think we're in a zero tolerance for hurting people's feelings.
seamus coughlin
Well, and this happened before, when I spoke out on the show a few weeks ago and just mentioned that I don't believe in gay marriage, Media Matters did a write-up on the show, and they also made it seem as if everyone on the panel agreed with me.
tim pool
Right, and it was actually just you!
jon nicosia
It was literally just me.
tim pool
And it was, who was it, Alex Brusewitz?
It was the three of us, and we both were in agreement with gay marriage, and you weren't, and they made it seem like the whole show was, and then Media Matters is like, watch out for these grifters who will change their opinions.
And it's like, not a person here changed their opinion.
They just make it up.
Fake news.
ian crossland
You were saying people don't tolerate, what was it exactly, hurting other people's feelings?
jon nicosia
Well, I think that we're in a society where hurting someone's feelings is violence now.
ian crossland
I have low tolerance for malicious behavior.
If someone's trying to hurt someone maliciously, then I'm going to step in.
But if someone says something that someone interprets and gets upset about, usually the person that's feeling the upset, it's in their mind.
There's something that they're going through.
jon nicosia
It's like being at a party with all of us and he goes, I don't really, just really not.
My religion doesn't conform to gay marriage.
Fine.
I don't believe in it either.
Like, like, I, you know, I'm a traditionalist in a lot of senses that don't conform to what might be good for me just because I, you know, everyone's like, you have to be pro-gay.
Well, no, I, I think this institution kind of worked and I'm not sure that, you know, but hey, society decided in their own legal ways that that was the way it was going to be and so be it.
But that doesn't mean that those other people vanish the day, you know, that those court cases came down.
Those people are still there and they should be able to.
So what you're saying for X amount of hundreds of years of not having gay marriage is the minute you have gay marriage, none of those people's opinions can exist anymore in the same space.
And that is the problem I have.
And that is, you can still be in the same room with someone who doesn't agree, or that just being gay is horrible, or I'm going to hell.
I mean, who knows, you know?
So, the point I'm trying to make is that those opinions should be able to exist in the same space.
One doesn't get rid of the other one.
tim pool
I just want to point out, going back to this meme from Elon, I think it's funny because if you look at 2008, the far left person is actually right wing in 2021.
So going back to what Seamus was saying about Barack Obama.
So we focused on the guy in the center, the me, and how the center becomes, you know, changes and now he's right wing.
But if my fellow liberals stayed in this spot on the left and moved down, he would be center right in 2021.
Barack Obama, Running on universal health care in 2007, in 2008, and now they're calling him a Republican.
jon nicosia
And the drone king.
Killing Americans with drones.
tim pool
Extrajudicial assassinations.
jon nicosia
Even Clinton today would be, you know, some of their views.
And I lived through that.
We were talking on the way here was like, what were the 90s like?
And I just remember like, This just seemed less... But see, everyone didn't have a voice, and that was a good thing.
There was no social media.
The person who was crazy screamed at the end of the road, and now they have a Twitter account.
tim pool
I think it is time that we start ignoring those who drove off the cliff.
And I'll just say, you, I am a staunch leftist here who believes in universal basic health care, and you crazy conservatives, ooh, I shake my fist at you.
Those other crazy guys, they had nothing to do with this conversation anymore.
There's a new center now.
Let's pull the center back, reassert what left and right are, and the crazy people who drove off the cliff, they drove off the cliff.
They're not part of this conversation.
jon nicosia
I think the economics for that are there.
Meaning I think you're seeing it with CNN.
I think you're seeing it with cable news.
The one that keeps Trugging down the road is Fox and the right media seems to be going quite well.
And it's the left that seems to be kind of going off the cliff.
Because I think that graphic says a lot about a lot of people in the United States that consider themselves Democrats or left and now look and go, what am I?
What I can't I say today?
tim pool
When I was on the Daily Wire's backstage live, I pointed out the difference between us.
Here I am, I'm wearing jeans and an unbuttoned shirt, and they're all dressed very, very nice.
And we're having a conversation where we mostly agree on a lot of issues, like voting for DeSantis versus Trump.
I just think it's funny that the issues that would really divide us, traditional liberal versus traditional conservative, don't even come up because they're on the back burner compared to the greater problems we're facing.
jon nicosia
And we've faced worse, and that's the sad part.
Like, this country's gone through, even in my lifetime, my God, I got out of high school and the economy was through the ground and Reagan and, you know, there was a lot of, we have the Cold War, we're gonna die every day from, like, Red Dawn and come for Red October.
Like, that was our lives, you know, and there's this giant war going on and at some point, Russia's just gonna be like, who are we fighting considering all the, and people are just like, eh, I'm just, I don't know.
tim pool
And the crazy thing is a lot of Millennials don't realize they were born during the Cold War.
jon nicosia
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And their parents were crazy, probably drinking and smoking.
And that gave us the Millennials, because there's got to be an excuse for how this ended up the way it did.
But what I was saying is, I think social media and stuff about what has changed in this, like when I grew up, there wasn't school shootings.
And because kids got home decompressed, they got away from the bullies.
They were able to spend time with that geeky friends, go back, maybe get bullied that day.
Now you have kids that can't ever get away from this, that they're connected to this bullying and bad and good and bad.
And I think also on the other end of the spectrum, I think in most societies, there's a lot of people who just don't need to contribute what they need.
Just go scream in the corner, say it to your parents and stuff, but there's some people that just don't need to tell the world.
I've seen people, I've seen companies stop advertising, and I think it was Harry's was somebody
from a Twitter account that said that this company was, it might be the Daily, that they were anti-trans,
and the Twitter follower had like 38 followers.
ian crossland
Yeah, that was Harry's Razors.
jon nicosia
And they had, so there's a disproportionate amount of power that a lot of these people have.
ian crossland
I think you make a good point about evidence of why public school is failing as well,
because it's creating an environment where kids are getting bullied on the regular,
whereas this consistent bullying, they can't escape it.
So it's another reason not to put young people in that environment.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
tim pool
I'm just fascinated that from where I grew up, you know, just going back to what I was mentioning before about Backstage Live, is like even having this conversation with Seamus, most of the political conversations we have are on things we completely agree on, and we only ever so often touch on the things we don't agree on, even though you and I disagree on some stuff to a great degree.
But the cultural battles we're fighting, Free speech, individual liberties, personal responsibility, all of these things that used to be just an American value.
jon nicosia
Given.
It was a given.
tim pool
Yeah, now it's like, okay, those other things are here, like we'll discuss them, but man, those people are crazy.
jon nicosia
Well, what we've gone to now is some people can, some people have different abilities to say what they can and some people can't.
You know, a Catholic can't say to me that I don't have a value and I'm not all, like, Well, we wouldn't say you don't have value as a person.
No, I know.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we would say they believe homosexual activity is sinful.
jon nicosia
And, you know, we live in a Jesse Smollett world where, you know, he represented everything I saw coming down the track.
Like, you're going to commit this giant crime to become a victim.
I remember when What's-Her-Name said she was black.
Or the first time I heard Safe Space and thought, that's never going to take place.
And people are like, these kids are getting out of school and they're going to bully them because they know how to use social media.
But social media had gotten to a point, and you're right, and I see it in the media where a lot of these older editors are scared to death of like Taylor Lorenz.
tim pool
You know what it is?
There's some 40 or 50 year old dude who works at a company and the millennial, you know, comes out and says, I'm getting a job here.
Then they go, I demand a safe room.
And they go, what are you talking about?
So then they go on Twitter.
Next thing you know, this 50-year-old guy gets 30 tweets, and it's like, you're an evil man, you're evil, and they're like, what's happening?
Everyone is tweeting at me!
jon nicosia
I've seen it happen.
I've seen that happen.
I've seen it happen.
seamus coughlin
It's not just a question of what you're allowed to say.
It's a question of what the people you have associated with are allowed to say, or rather, who you're allowed to associate with based on what they've said.
So, I don't like to pay too much attention to celebrities, but before the show we were discussing the fact that Chris Pratt Is being cancelled.
They're trying to recast him.
Because, according to some Twitter mob, his church is anti-LGBTQ.
And we cannot have an actor in a film who goes to a church that we believe is anti-LGBTQ.
I just want to remind everyone.
I just want to remind everyone.
That the former president of the United States, Barack Obama, went to a church with Reverend Wright as the preacher who said, in a sermon that was leaked, that the United States government invented HIV to kill black people.
Barack Obama attended that church for years.
And when this footage leaked, the media said, no, that's mean to talk about.
And every conservative in media went, okay, fine, we won't talk about that, even though it's literally true.
tim pool
But the Chris Pratt thing was that story goes back, I think, several years to this actor individual saying he goes to this church.
It's an old story.
And the new story is because I think James Gunn responded to a Twitter account that had three followers.
So, you know, Chris Pratt's not going anywhere.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, but it's just interesting that people would actually see that as something that was worthy of getting a person cancelled, and could effectively get them cancelled, because we've seen people get in trouble for that kind of thing in the past.
tim pool
But hold on, the tweet was... Someone tweeted, hey Marvel, you know, recast him.
They didn't say why.
James Gunn invented the reason why saying why, because he believes things you don't.
He's not going anywhere, and I'm like, wait, hold on.
jon nicosia
What does he believe?
tim pool
And then the people Google this Twitter account this right this Twitter account with three followers didn't say
anything about religion or politics It just said hey cast this guy the person that said I
Posted that because I saw the actor and thought they looked alike right that was it James Gunn
Injected cancel culture into the narrative. It was like a weird inverse cancel culture
seamus coughlin
I think, to be fair, there were so many articles flooding the internet over Chris Pratt's church that I think it makes sense that he would read that into the tweet.
jon nicosia
I think I'll end this with... No, no, that story was years ago, bro.
seamus coughlin
No, I know, but if people are going to try to cancel somebody, it's probably going to be the thing they were trying to cancel over a few years ago.
jon nicosia
The issue is, as you say, this is what I think about gay, and this is what I think is going to happen, and I listen to you.
Great!
That's your views.
The problem today is what I would do is find out what it is about you that I have to destroy to stop you.
Instead of just engaging with you and said, you know, I think you're absolutely right because those are your beliefs.
This is my beliefs because that's how it happened.
This is what I believe God did whatever and so what and so on.
Now this person being me would have to find the deepest, darkest, bad thing you've ever done.
Say it on Twitter to then nullify that you had an opinion that I didn't agree with.
And that's where we are.
And that's the problem is that no one can just disagree.
And then Media Matters is out there saying, you know, because this is not how this this is not how civil society should work.
We should just be able to say, like, yeah, you know, I have plenty.
I have family members who didn't think it was great, you know, but I agree that they that's their opinion and they love each other and we love each other.
And that's the end of it.
seamus coughlin
Well yeah, I mean the modern ethos is no one can disagree with me without being a horrifically corrupt person and also if someone does disagree with me we have to ensure that they're never allowed to speak to me.
But it's also, it's imbalanced.
jon nicosia
The LGBT side of it says you have to love me and embrace my lifestyle and you have to put a flag and do all these other things and change your logos.
That's not how I view life because Let's go to Super Chats!
seamus coughlin
amount a month we have to put religious symbols up. Be based. Right. But no, well and also this
idea of love, this idea that loving someone means you have to agree with everything they're doing.
jon nicosia
And that's what we've lost. Yeah. Let's go to Super Chats.
tim pool
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Become a member and help support our work and our journalists.
We just hired a new journalist recently.
We're gonna be doing a lot of really cool stuff.
We're planning, you know, mini documentaries, new shows.
We are planning on beginning marketing, doing other really cool things.
As you all know, we got a billboard in Times Square calling out Taylor Lorenz, The Washington Post.
I'm very proud of that.
Thank you all for your support in making that possible.
Let's read what you guys have to say.
Adara the Wholesome says, Tim, you're wrong.
The only name for a free Damastan coffee shop is Covfefe.
There is no exception.
Anything else is an Ian level natural one semantic argument.
No BS, just Covfefe.
ian crossland
Too political.
Keep your politics out of my mouth.
jon nicosia
I have that printed on the coffee cup.
That tweet.
tim pool
Richard Winter says the battle of Helm's Deep has turned.
It's time to charge and finish this battle.
I just watched that recently.
I love that scene.
Ride out with me one last time.
And then they storm through and they knock all the orcs out of the way and then Gandalf is there and they're like, ahh.
jon nicosia
It's a great scene.
tim pool
Yeah.
That's what happened.
It was Elon Musk though.
lydia smith
Legendary.
tim pool
And then he blinds the orcs as they stampede.
Rising Underdog says, still want Tim to have Adam Carolla on as a guest to discuss his book, In 50 Years We'll All Be Chicks and the Pussification of America.
I would be honored to have Adam Carolla on the show.
That'd be great.
Remember Loveline back in the day?
ian crossland
Yeah, I was just thinking about that.
tim pool
Yeah, him and Dr. Drew.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's right.
It's kind of bizarre that they were together because Dr. Drew is such a kind of mainstream milquetoast figure, whereas Adam Kroll is probably really politically incorrect.
No, I know, but it's to our point.
tim pool
It used to air on Q101 in Chicago.
ian crossland
And they had a girl with them too, didn't they?
unidentified
Did they?
ian crossland
Dr. Judy.
No, I think she had her own show.
tim pool
I love this.
Justin Bowman says, Elon said, quote, look to my coming at the first light on the fifth day at dawn.
Look east.
lydia smith
That's right.
unidentified
He did.
lydia smith
That's what he said.
tim pool
Can someone just make that meme?
lydia smith
That'd be good.
Yeah.
tim pool
Just put his face on it.
And then all of the people, the Rohirrim, are all the people who are banned, all rushing back in with him.
The orcs.
I thought that wasn't me.
Is that real?
Did it actually post that?
I saw a screenshot.
I wasn't sure.
seamus coughlin
And it just started working.
When I first did it, you'd upload your picture, but it didn't show up.
tim pool
I wasn't sure. The problem with true social is it's only on the iPhone.
jon nicosia
And so I and it just started working when I first did it.
It didn't have you couldn't put you'd upload your picture, but it didn't show up.
tim pool
Well, they got their own rumbles.
New crowd service. OK.
All right. Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, they are scared of free speech in the town square for they fear that
they themselves and their views will disappear into and lost to history.
Interesting. You said they four times in that statement.
unidentified
That's right.
jon nicosia
They then.
tim pool
Eva Ranska says, finally subscribed to your website.
Thank you for supporting truth in journalism.
You bet.
Every day we work really hard and I'm in the newsroom.
And if I see a story, I'll be like, guys, guys, you got to change this.
So we do, we do a lot of corrections because we want to make sure we're getting things right.
We even do what I would call frame checking, where we make sure the framing of the story.
There was one story we had where it was like Joe Biden criticized over these things.
And I said, nope.
Doing a story about how conservatives are criticizing Joe Biden, I think, is not news.
Make a story about what Joe Biden did, and that includes what the left thinks and what the right thinks.
We don't frame our stories like Biden condemned over this.
jon nicosia
I mean, that's how the media operates.
They'll say, well, you know, you know, the left destroyed the rights arguments or, you know, Republicans pounce famously.
tim pool
If it's an opinion piece, I got no issue with it, right?
jon nicosia
Well, now there's no more opinion.
Now it's all the same.
I even as an editor look on certain sites I used to work at, and there was no way three, four, five years ago that that headline and that stuff would be without an opinion.
tim pool
The Huffington Post is an opinion website.
Daily Beast is an opinion website.
And Vox.
But they masquerade as news.
And you read it and I'm like, those are all opinion statements.
They're not telling me something happened.
All right.
Let's see.
Tam Tom says, instead of spending $100,000 on a billboard, why not have a drawing for your website members and give away $10,000 to 10 members?
Actually help us regular folk who support you.
I mean, that would be cool.
We could do something like that.
And that would actually be an excellent marketing campaign, which would increase membership.
We'll do both.
The issue with the billboard that we did was that it's actually substantially cheaper than that.
Substantially cheaper.
I don't think people understand how cheap it is.
Let me explain something to you guys.
Do you want to know how much it costs to have your ad run on a billboard in Times Square?
Let's get a round of guesses.
I'm saying, well, I think you guys already know.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we guessed before the show.
I guessed correctly.
He was closest.
No, I was closest.
I wasn't that close, to be fair.
tim pool
It is $18.
Did you not know this?
lydia smith
That's all it is.
tim pool
Google search it, and there are automated services where you log in, they'll give you the specs for the ad, and they'll say how many times you want it to run, and they say it costs $18 per run.
They may have a minimum of like 100 runs or whatever.
So it's like, okay, you need $1,800.
Maybe not everybody can afford that, but it's not a hundred- If you want to get, like, that big one right underneath the Genoa thing on Olive Garden, that one costs $625,000 per week.
That's crazy.
But most of these billboards are rotating digital video, and it's not that expensive.
Not only that, there's a whole bunch of different ads you can get.
You can go up to the biggest billboard in Times Square for $2.5 million per month, down to the bench on the side of the road, which is literally $100.
They're like, well, the bench is dirt cheap.
It'll cost you 300 bucks for the month.
So if you want to get I don't the billboard I don't want to give, I don't want to give away too many details because there's other companies involved.
jon nicosia
Thanks to Teller Run so you know everything about billboards.
tim pool
It takes five minutes to Google.
So you guys, you're talking about, people are saying, hey, troll Times Square.
Yes, it's easy.
Now there are laws and there are rules about what you can include in ads.
But yo, for real, got a couple hundred bucks.
You can get your ad to run right next to ABC News in Times Square for a couple hundred bucks for the day.
It is not that expensive.
unidentified
So people are like, can you believe Tupel spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to do this?
tim pool
It costs almost nothing.
They're expensive when you're doing big campaigns.
But you also got to understand that with the economy, you know, crumpling by 1.4%.
Yeah.
Yo, these ad agencies I'm willing to bet are kind of like, just let's book people as much as we can.
So Google search it, guys, because I'm really surprised.
I gotta say this.
I always wondered why it was more people didn't buy billboards and make statements and do things like we did with Taylor Lorenz calling her out.
How come more people aren't doing it?
How come more people aren't being like, I'll put a couple hundred bucks behind this.
How come no one's created like a GoFundMe?
Well, not GoFundMe, but a GiveSendGo.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Saying, we're gonna raise 50 grand for a four-week run.
Oh my gosh.
On one of the biggest billboards.
And then we're going to put up a message.
They'll do it.
There are rules.
If it's a statement involving other people, it cannot be an advertisement.
So you won't be able to include links, but you can quite literally put up a sign saying, CNN lies all day, every day.
And that's all it says.
And they'll be like, sure, we'll put that up.
I don't care.
Give us your money.
And then if you get a bunch of your friends together and you get a couple grand, you'll have like one of the smaller billboards.
Not that expensive.
Granted, some of it can be expensive.
But the billboard that we got was nowhere near that expensive.
It depends on, well, to put it, to put it bluntly, it depends on how long the ad runs for.
Ours did not run that long.
seamus coughlin
Tim actually sent Ian and I out there with paint brushes.
unidentified
And we just painted the LEDs.
tim pool
Vanessa McCullough says, please, please listen to Falling in Reverse zombified.
It's about the culture war.
The video is a must watch.
I'm also a member.
Thank you for your work.
You want to take, take, take a note of that.
You want to write that down?
I'll watch that later.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's grab some Super Chats.
Never Again says, I wrote the code for 5.1 Surround for Solaris.
Shared to all, yet Apple never thanked me.
All others did.
Linux rocks.
unidentified
Cool.
ian crossland
Was that Carry On?
Is the falling in reverse song that you're talking about?
lydia smith
Zombified.
tim pool
Joe Biden is a kid diddler.
Says, Day one, Musk should move the company to Texas and turn the campus into a homeless shelter.
Agreed.
jon nicosia
I tweeted that and got 50,000 likes.
Heck yeah!
unidentified
That he should move to Texas.
jon nicosia
I said, if he gets it, he should move it to Texas.
ian crossland
Absolutely.
jon nicosia
And it was quite popular.
But then I get a lot of people in Texas like, don't bring these people here.
lydia smith
Please, yeah, don't.
ian crossland
Fortunately, they work from home, so I don't think I'll have to go with them.
tim pool
Michael Lamour says, just started a membership recently.
Parts of that discussion with Derek Harvey the other evening were wild to listen to.
Yes, and after we wrapped, I think, was it Jack and you, or was it?
ian crossland
No, it was me and Shamus.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it was the two of us.
We probably spoke with him for another 40 minutes.
ian crossland
Yeah, about policy, Middle East policy.
tim pool
And so I was like, we should just record that, because the stories he was telling about what was going on there was nuts.
But we do have time limits and stuff, plus I got to wake up at 7 a.m.
But we definitely got to have Derek back, so he can just talk about all this stuff.
All right, Thomas Sidebottom says, it would seem I received my Leftist Tears tumbler from the Daily Wire at exactly the right time.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Wonderful.
We got a free one of those too.
They gave us one of those free tumblers.
lydia smith
It's so cool.
I love it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Sean Elmer says, I wish you would invite some First Amendment auditors such as Long Island Audits or Watching the Watchmen and his dad.
Both are on the front line of that movement.
Very reasonable people.
Interesting.
We'll take a look into it.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Lydia, madame, a super congratulations on your union with Andy.
We wish you well.
The best button pusher and producer in the game, F. Sour Patch Kids.
lydia smith
Oh, thank you.
ian crossland
Congratulations.
lydia smith
I did win.
I beat Sour Patch Kids.
ian crossland
Did you guys tie the knot today?
lydia smith
We did, yeah.
Today was our six-month anniversary, so we were like, we should do it today, even though it's a Thursday.
ian crossland
Oh, nice work.
tim pool
Well, congratulations.
lydia smith
Thank you, thank you.
tim pool
Alright, Voice of Junzi says, Hello TimCast, I'm a conservative YouTuber that makes essay and analyses on video games.
I believe we need voices in these spaces as the industry is the forefront of art.
Love you guys.
Help me grow.
Voice of Junzi.
Very, very cool.
I had an idea for a documentary series, and it was to make mini documentaries around video game concepts.
So we did this with Fallout from Fukushima.
Fallout 4 was coming out.
We said, let's go investigate Fukushima and see what's going on with the radiation stuff.
And then I had the idea.
They didn't want to do it, I guess.
But I was like, when these new video games come out, like Call of Duty, let's do a Call of Duty themed investigation into what are these weapons?
Who actually trains for them?
How close to reality do these video games get?
And actually, I think the pitch was like, can we get the companies to actually co-sponsor the documentaries because it would be like an ad for them.
jon nicosia
Oh god, yeah.
tim pool
All right, Tom Torgerson says, Torgerson, I am a trucker from Detroit and listened to your show the day after it's live.
I'm addicted.
Looking forward to some coffee beanie in the future.
Thanks for all you do.
Ian, watch Waking Life.
Great movie.
ian crossland
I've seen it before and I agree.
It was, I didn't think it was great, but it was really cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Ron Quay says, Tim, you always talk about the right, the right to nuclear arms.
Brandon Herrera, the AK guy, was on Raketa last night, and he is an FFL.
He said there is a form for nuclear arm sales, which surprised even him.
It shouldn't surprise you, good sir.
The right to keep and bear arms says arms.
I don't see it saying accept nuclear arms.
No, it says arms.
unidentified
Arms.
tim pool
A conscious perspective says, hey IRL team, here's a thought.
What if Elon knew about the inflated subscriber numbers and put all this into motion to expose Twitter and then be able to renegotiate his original offer?
Thoughts?
No, I don't think so.
I think he played them, cornered them, and knows what he's doing.
I think he's going to buy the platform.
I do.
seamus coughlin
So what could happen at this point that would prevent him from actually being able to move forward with that?
jon nicosia
He gets a billion dollars.
If they break it off, he gets a billion dollars.
seamus coughlin
So what could cause them to break it off?
jon nicosia
Shareholders.
That's it.
At this point, nothing.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
jon nicosia
Because the offer's too sweet, their stock has gone down, this earnings, more problems.
The shareholders want nothing.
tim pool
And the company would lose a billion dollars.
And Elon would get a billion dollars.
jon nicosia
He's just not.
They're not gonna.
tim pool
It's done.
jon nicosia
Did you see that the FCC people wrote to the FCC about stopping it?
tim pool
Oh my god.
Just to laugh.
Yeah, they actually said it was absurd.
jon nicosia
Yeah, they actually said it was absurd.
tim pool
Yep.
Alright, Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, I played Will of the People for my bro.
He liked.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Very nice.
We just, I posted on Instagram, it's an isolated vocal track of the new Chicken City theme song.
And if you want to hear me sing the second verse about Roberto and Roberto Jr., you can check that out on my Instagram, instagram.com slash timcast.
It was fun.
And we'll put up, we've got a bunch of other songs we're working on, so, cool stuff.
I think Ian's gonna track some harmonies for Chicken City?
Chicken City theme song?
ian crossland
Probably next week, unless Carter's ready soon.
I'll check in with him tomorrow.
I'm watching you, Carter.
Carter Banks, ladies and gentlemen.
tim pool
Citizen seven says Tim.
Do you have a YouTube account named Tim P?
What's app plus one three?
Oh two five four eight six five seven four Asterix question mark question mark question mark this account has replied to a couple of my comments in here And I fear it's a phishing attempt.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
That is in fact not me.
lydia smith
No.
tim pool
Yeah, someone must be an Impersonating wait, hold on bro.
seamus coughlin
I've been sending I Thought you needed my social security number, bro I actually do.
Oh, well, I'd sent it.
tim pool
Not to me.
seamus coughlin
Ask them for it.
tim pool
All right.
Stronger Than Stone says, do you think Elon could buy YouTube?
How awesome it would be if he did.
The future is looking bright, but the distance I still see a storm.
Get ready to put on your raincoats.
Take care, y'all.
Elon cannot buy YouTube.
YouTube's way too big.
And I don't think it's a publicly traded company, it's an asset of Google.
jon nicosia
Alphabet, yeah.
tim pool
Is it Alphabet or is it Google?
I think it's still Google, but Alphabet owns Google, right?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Or maybe they broke it up, I don't know.
unidentified
Alright.
jon nicosia
He's got as much debt as he needs right now.
tim pool
RealManPra says, hey TeamCast, RomanianMountainMan here.
Quote, victory is written with the blood of the vanquished, and it perfectly represents the new age of culture.
P.S.
Ian, the love of my eardrums, it's go-bells, not ger-balls.
No ger-balls.
Thank you.
ian crossland
Go-balls.
Go-balls it is.
jon nicosia
Go-balls.
tim pool
BrewThatDew says, to help pay for your next billboard.
We'll see.
I am in preliminary discussions with some particular individuals about some very basic billboards that will result in a woke implosion.
Let me put it that way.
So the idea is just to like, hey, do you want to get a billboard just promoting you?
Because we know that when these people see these billboards in Times Square, they're going to be like, no!
Because it's not that expensive.
It is expensive.
Don't get me wrong.
If you want to get a good spot, like I said, the big one is $625,000 per week.
But there are so many in Times Square.
And you're not buying the whole billboard.
You're buying... And some of these things, it is a 15-second digital video in an 18-minute rotation.
So it's not as much as people might think it is.
They make their money on volume.
Yeah, it's going to be a whole lot of fun.
We're just going to try and spatter a bunch of ads all over the place.
And the thing is, for these agencies, they don't care.
It's going to be like so-and-so's new book coming out.
Check it out.
TimCast.com.
And people are going to see this dude's face and they're going to be like... You're going to trend.
jon nicosia
I've already said you're going to trend on Twitter.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Well, we'll see how it plays out.
We'll see how it plays out.
All right.
Let's see what we got.
Alphonse says, shout out to Lids for calling MO great yesterday.
Libertarian culture, Ozarks, caves, and toasted ravioli.
unidentified
Ooh, I love that.
lydia smith
Absolutely, yeah.
tim pool
We had constitutional care before Texas, and our pizza makes Chicago's looks like poo-poo garbage.
unidentified
Excuse me?
tim pool
Y'all should've moved here instead.
Best state in the union.
lydia smith
That's a great state.
ian crossland
What state?
lydia smith
Missouri.
tim pool
Missouri, wow.
Well, you know what they say, Missouri loves company.
seamus coughlin
Well, you know what they say, gotta get a slice of that Missouri pizza.
lydia smith
That's right!
seamus coughlin
Man, sure does make Chicago pizza look real bad.
tim pool
We special order Missouri pizza.
seamus coughlin
We laugh at you!
No, I'm kidding.
I love Missouri.
But the pizza thing?
Come on, get out of here.
tim pool
East St.
Louis pizza.
Because it's still Illinois and Illinois has Chicago?
No, it doesn't count.
Sorry.
All right.
Adam Brenneman says, Jimmy Kimmel stopped doing celebrities read mean tweets after Obama read Trump's tweet, then said Trump would never be president.
unidentified
Oh, right.
seamus coughlin
That was a great moment.
lydia smith
Yikes.
tim pool
Oh, brutal, man.
unidentified
That was great.
lydia smith
That was so good.
tim pool
Mike S. says, Disney doesn't say gay in China.
That's for sure.
AM says just scared the chickens awake per super chat whilst they were sleeping.
Sorry.
Oh no chickens.
So the issue the issue is that Crispy our chicken tender crispy crispy chicken tender was On a secret mission and unable to take care of the speaker being going off But I think they've taken care of it all right now because they're back I just had a thought about Obama trash-talking Trump and basically encouraging him to run against him.
ian crossland
Like in a war, you don't torture.
jon nicosia
He did it at the White House Correspondents' Dinner.
ian crossland
In a real war, you don't torture your opponents when you beat them.
So if we're in a culture war, at what point is it considered torturing people when they're down?
Like Taylor Lorenz, like, I want to lay off this girl right now because she's held captive and I don't want to torture the woman.
jon nicosia
You know, I think there's some people who kind of deserve it.
tim pool
Torture?
seamus coughlin
Well, I'm not saying torture, but criticism.
ian crossland
But if we're really in a culture war, if we're going to use these metaphors, at what point is criticism torturous?
lydia smith
So the issue is that she calls criticism torture, and it's like the first time she's ever experienced any kind of contrary voice to her own ideas.
jon nicosia
Because I don't think we're in a culture war.
seamus coughlin
I would say if it becomes harassment.
I would say if you were like actually legitimately harassing a person.
ian crossland
I think if you make a good point against someone and then they're basically at your will after that, you have them, and then you keep going at them, that that's a form of torture.
seamus coughlin
It's definitely not pleasant, but I don't— It's not real torture.
ian crossland
It's not military torture, but it's culture war torture.
seamus coughlin
I don't want to soften the word torture.
That's my concern with that.
I don't want to soften the word war.
I don't like the word culture war either.
Interesting.
Interesting.
tim pool
All right.
Amanda Freeman says, San Diego passed law to redefine women to include men.
Please discuss this.
Well, I don't know too much about that law, but that's about most.
Okay.
lydia smith
Interesting.
I looked that up.
tim pool
I mean, I'm pretty sure New York essentially has that as well.
seamus coughlin
What a historic occasion upon which people have a right time.
Oh my goodness.
They really think they did something there, I'm sure.
ian crossland
How come everyone's putting one in the chat?
Did Tim say something?
tim pool
That's you, Ian.
ian crossland
Tim must have done something.
lydia smith
It was totally Tim, yeah.
tim pool
Alright, Jacob Frederick says, Hey Shim and crew, love the show, but I've heard you talk about Indiana being a pretty good conservative state before, but I beg to differ.
Since we have one of the highest gas taxes in the country and our governor vetoed a ban on trans men in women's sports.
seamus coughlin
That's messed up.
They shouldn't have done that.
However, I don't think you're gonna move to Cook County anytime soon because of how bad Indiana's getting.
All I'm saying is compared to where we came from, Indiana's doing decently.
I am very upset to hear what you just mentioned though, because that's completely unacceptable.
Once the red states go, there's nowhere left.
jon nicosia
It's fear.
They're scared to death.
Trans people scare, they scare me and I'm a gay man.
Like they're terrifying.
There you get the mad boy, poof.
tim pool
See, I take issue with it, though, to be honest, because it's the ideology, it's the cult, it's not...
jon nicosia
Yeah, I mean, there are plenty of people who have, you know, issues.
tim pool
Like a woke, progressive, liberal woman at a school teaching these kids things is the issue, right?
jon nicosia
Right.
Oh my God.
tim pool
And I always say this because, you know, there are trans people who clearly agree with us on ideological grounds.
jon nicosia
But also there's this erasure of women where, you know, there's, what was it?
This thing came out the other day that it's a uterus.
Department of Education came out with a video that said that it's a person with a uterus.
lydia smith
Of course, yeah.
tim pool
The way I see it is this is predominantly an issue of white liberal women.
jon nicosia
Yes.
tim pool
And then to a lesser degree men.
It's not an issue of trans people.
It's an issue of the weird cult which is predominantly like millennial white progressives.
You've got these teachers who are in these schools and they're not all trans.
Some of them are non-binary, but a lot of what we see in these rant videos are just like unwell people who are cultish.
unidentified
Right.
jon nicosia
I mean, it's the same thing that when I was growing up that you're going to turn kids gay if you talk about it and so forth.
You know, I have a lot of straight, tons of more straight friends than gay friends, and trust me, if a guy likes a woman, you're not gonna turn him, as much as you can try to convince him all you want, nothing's gonna.
tim pool
All right, John Sanchez says, Tim Pool, duel me in Magic the Gathering, you coward!
Well, I only play commander for the most part, and you'd be obliterated.
Ian and I stopped playing because it got to the point where whoever went first won.
ian crossland
Yeah, too much pay to win.
In a draft, though, you might have a chance.
unidentified
Nah, it's the win.
tim pool
Ha ha!
ian crossland
The gauntlet is thrown.
tim pool
We roll a d20 and then, you know, Ian would get a 15, I'd get a 7.
I'd go, oh, good game, Ian.
I'd shake his hand.
ian crossland
I've been playing Slay the Spire lately.
That's my card game.
tim pool
What is that?
ian crossland
Digital card game.
One of the best math games ever made.
If you like turn-based strategy games, check out Slay the Spire.
tim pool
Right on.
All right, Joseph Albacon says, 67-year-old boomer here and longtime subscriber.
I may not be key demographic, but I've been following you for five or six years now.
Fantastic guest.
Wish I was there since I have so much to add.
Well, thank you for your support.
Absolutely.
All right, John L. says, if you're going to watch the Zombified vid, you need to check out 5FDP Living the Dream vid.
It's COVID policy explained.
Hmm, interesting.
Ross Boisvert says, Tim and crew, I'm an AT&T business rep.
If you want a second look at options, shoot me a message on Twitter at the new Ross GB and I can get you my work contact info.
Yeah, maybe, but like, you know, when I walk in and I have impeccable credit and I'm running this business and I say, we just need, you know, hotspot, wifi.
And they're like, looks like the company is requiring you.
I'm like, nah, not interested.
Not going to happen.
You know, I am not really a fan of having to do certain kind of like special privilege things.
I don't like the idea that people use Twitter followings as weight to gain favors from companies.
jon nicosia
I don't like the fact... Or complain about them.
unidentified
Right.
jon nicosia
Like if you're sitting on an airline.
Stop.
Shut up.
No one wants to hear about your late flight.
tim pool
But here's what I don't like.
When I was dealing with an airline problem, I tweet once.
The problem is solved.
They call me instantly.
We're so sorry, sir.
And I know it works and sometimes you have to do it, but I'm like, it's so stupid that this has to be this way.
That you have to... Shame them.
Well, it's right.
I should be able to call them up and be like, hey man, treat me and everyone else like good paying customers.
jon nicosia
It's like a two hour wait to call an airline these days.
Oh, it's insane.
Yeah.
tim pool
And so, that's the way it is.
It's privilege.
ian crossland
Through all the money and the politics, there's just nothing that compares to having a mob of people behind you.
jon nicosia
No, absolutely.
ian crossland
Or a crowd of people behind you.
It's just unstoppable force.
jon nicosia
And they're scared.
seamus coughlin
That's what the money's supposed to buy when it's effective, right?
tim pool
We did!
Daniel Smith says, Tim, fact check your 16 food pressing plant fire story.
Great YouTuber 2A advocate, Johnny B, mentioned the Timcast article in his deep dive video.
He only found like six actual fires.
We did.
I was mildly perturbed at the quality of that article.
It was not good.
And I even said the story should have been framed as Tucker Carlson was talking about it, people on Twitter were talking about it, but you need to understand fires might just happen all the time and we may just have noticed them.
However, it is true because we did the fact checking, there actually were substantially more fires this year in the first quarter than I think all of last year.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, something did happen.
But, um, you know, we just had bad links and bad sources, and so, you know, these things happen.
I got no problem saying that, uh, we... we make mistakes.
We correct them when we can.
You know, we try not to make mistakes.
If we were like the Daily Beast, we would just say, no, and we'd leave it up for the clicks, because the Daily Beast doesn't correct their articles.
All right.
T. Didymus says, I can't believe Tim Poole spent so much money on a Times Square ad.
jon nicosia
Harumph!
tim pool
Yeah, uh, we didn't.
It's so cheap.
Yeah, it was really crazy.
I was always wondering, like, how does this stuff work?
And then I googled it, and it's like, log in, submit your ad, and we'll play it.
And I'm like, it's that fast?
Yo, they're just TV screens.
jon nicosia
But also, you, if you want an analogous of that, at the moment, you had a fire, you took $18 of gasoline and just threw it on it, because Whatever you paid for the thing was six.
I mean that thing that was a picture of that went everywhere Oh, yeah, I took a Carlson shadow as a I saw it and friend in Spain and daily wire hooked it up, you know went everywhere Yeah, daily wire already had the billboard and then the secondary story was her responding and you know Her being upset.
tim pool
You know, my issue with it is just that she uses the Washington Post as a weapon.
This is what these journalists do.
They're typically activists.
They have no real power.
So they get jobs at major institutions and it's like they're using someone else's 50
Cal.
So I said, let me play the same game.
ian crossland
Let me get a billboard.
That's how I feel about the president, man.
These people get elected through a popularity contest and then they get all this institutional power.
Like, what right does he have to create a board of mistrust that he's going to start?
tim pool
Yeah, that's crazy.
That's an abuse of power.
ian crossland
It's an abuse of institutional power.
jon nicosia
And menthol cigarettes all the same.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I just... I want to mention this again about Taylor Lorenz.
The woman was on MSNBC literally crying because she said she's so worried about what people might do with her information.
So she knows there are bad actors online and even dangerous actors online.
And she finds someone who she doesn't like politically and she throws their address out to the public.
tim pool
Yep.
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John, do you want to shout anything out?
jon nicosia
You can follow me at NewsPolitics on Twitter.
That's all I have to say.
Wolf, for good media.
Backgrounds, anything in media, boy.
I got it.
ian crossland
Nice.
seamus coughlin
My name is Seamus.
I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
We make animated political cartoons every single Thursday.
One exception was this Thursday.
We had to pull back, but we're doing multiple videos next week instead, so we'll make it up to you guys.
I love you.
jon nicosia
They are amazing.
ian crossland
I'm gonna roll the hundredth side of it.
It's been a while.
I rolled a 29.
It's a beautiful prime number.
tim pool
Very cool.
ian crossland
I'll catch you later.
lydia smith
You guys may follow me on Twitter at Minds.com, at Sour Patch Lids, as well as SourPatchLids.me.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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