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April 19, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - WaPo OUTRIGHT LIES, Denies Doxxing Leftist Critic LibsOfTikTok w/Jack Posobiec
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tim pool
The big news today is that a reporter for the Washington Post has doxed the creator behind the popular Twitter account Libs of TikTok.
This is an account that criticizes the left and often highlights publicly available posts from these people.
It's really interesting that this is considered a bad thing.
Like, somebody posts a video on TikTok, somebody else shares it, and they're like, stop sharing it!
It's like, you meant for it to be shared, you know, you post it on social media.
The interesting thing about this story is that shortly after it was published, there was a major backlash among many on the right, because not only was the name of the person who created the account published, but also their private home address.
Now, there's a lot to get into, into the nuance of what that means, but we here at TimCast, our great reporters, dug through some public records, and sure enough, the address that they linked to was listed as the private residence of the creator of Libs of TikTok.
There is a lot to go through there, so let me just stress it.
There's more nuance, more context.
The Washington Post came out not too long ago, a couple hours ago, I think, saying we never link to any of their private details, which is the craziest and boldest outright lie, because we have the archival article And it's got the link.
I can click the link and show you the address.
I'm not going to.
But it's remarkable that they think they can just outright lie like this.
So, you know what we're gonna talk about?
Yo, the media's dying.
CNN Plus, latest update.
They laid off.
CNN CFO's laid off.
Their Discovery apparently is like, this is a flop.
Netflix just tanked like, what, 25% in their stock.
What else do we got?
We got a Jon Stewart's new show.
40,000 viewers.
And here's the best part.
Not even viewers.
They called it homes.
unidentified
Homes.
tim pool
That means like literally no one might be watching Jon Stewart's show.
Get well, go broke, man.
So we got that.
We've got also in the media, an ethics complaint potentially against Jen Psaki because she's disparaging Fox News while negotiating a contract with MSNBC.
Really interesting media stuff here.
And then we got some other stuff related to Black Lives Matter.
They're accused of what being the reason behind a major spike in murders or something like that.
So we'll talk about all that, plus Joe Biden has apparently announced he's going to be running again.
It's going to be a wild show.
We have a lot to talk about with the Washington Post doxing.
This is reporter Taylor Lorenz.
Yes, she literally doxed somebody, and it's considered very hypocritical because she recently has said doxing is wrong.
So we'll get into the nuance of this.
Joining us today is, of course, Jack Posobiec.
jack posobiec
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard tonight's edition of TimCast.
tim pool
Promoting your new book, I see.
jack posobiec
Promoting my new book.
This new book is called Buy Pillow and it is written by Buy Pillow in conjunction with promo code PostUpMyPillow.com and essentially it's just every word on the page, on the first page on the left it says buy and on the right it says pillow all the way through the book.
tim pool
Is this like your new catchphrase?
jack posobiec
Buy Pillow.
tim pool
It is pretty good.
Buy Pillow.
ian crossland
What's the plot of the book?
jack posobiec
It's an epic saga.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
seamus coughlin
It put me to sleep.
jack posobiec
As intended.
The book itself actually is a pillow.
We also have Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Seamus, I'm back.
It was a wonderful Easter weekend for me.
It's great to be back and see all you people.
I'm excited for today's show.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
Although I do disagree the media's dying, I think it's transmuting into what we have here and now.
tim pool
We mean the corporate press.
jack posobiec
Metastasize.
ian crossland
I agree with you there, but I gotta say, tonight is the night.
The official announcement of the theory of the twisting universe.
Up to this point, people have believed that the universe is expanding.
I think there's better evidence to show that it's actually twisting around on itself.
tim pool
Did you make this up?
ian crossland
It came to me in a dream, my man.
I've been thinking about this a lot over the last six months, and I had a conversation with Michael Malice yesterday that really kind of nailed some pieces in.
So I brought a graphic.
I'm going to talk about it later in the show.
tim pool
Were you high?
ian crossland
I don't think so.
I mean, I kind of always am.
I think it stays in your fat for years or something.
tim pool
All right, well, we'll talk about that.
What's got Lydia pressing the button?
lydia smith
I am pressing buttons.
I'm very excited to hear about the twisting universe theory.
I'm curious if it aligns with our donut earth theory.
tim pool
Earth is both hollow and flat.
lydia smith
That's right.
jack posobiec
So what you're saying is the makers of Twister were onto something.
They were tapping into the very fabric of space-time.
ian crossland
Oh, you're ripping me apart with your ideas.
unidentified
Right foot red.
tim pool
Let's stop having fun and talk about serious stuff, I guess.
No, I'm kidding.
We'll have fun.
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And this morning, this is a big part of the story, this morning, when the story came out, the narrative among, you know, journalists and politicos and commentators was that this reporter from the Washington Post had revealed the name of this creator.
Of course, the original article actually did dox the address of the creator.
We did some digging here at TimCast.com and found through public record searches.
I wouldn't call it difficult, but I wouldn't call it easy.
There's easy, you know, public record search, then there's like medium, a little bit more than normal.
But we did discover that the address they posted and then quickly removed was the private home address of the creator.
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Let's read this first story from TimCast.com.
Washington Post publishes home address of popular critic of left, Libs of TikTok.
Reporter Taylor Lorenz has previously claimed to suffer from PTSD from being doxxed in a similar way.
Now, I want to show you a little bit here, and I got to explain a lot of the nuance, all right?
They say an article by a technology reporter at the Washington Post provided the home address of the creator of the Libs of TikTok Twitter account.
In an article meant to expose the person behind the popular account, reporter Taylor Lorenz linked to a critical piece of information that disclosed the private home address of the person running Libs of TikTok.
After the ensuing backlash, the Post removed the link.
TimCast confirmed that the address published is documented as the creator's private home address.
Now, I will say, we were all in the newsroom going over this, investigating details.
Everybody kind of contributed to working on this story.
And we did end up pulling public records, which confirmed the original story published by the Washington Post contained a link to two different links to two addresses.
One address was the address of the creator of Libs of TikTok.
The other address was the address of family members.
Now, here's the challenge.
If I pull up the archive to prove they're lying about this, it will expose the name of the creator of Libs of TikTok, which I don't want to do.
Well, I suppose we have no choice.
ian crossland
Well, it's kind of like showing cuties to talk about how bad cuties is.
tim pool
No, no, look.
The Washington Post published a lie.
Should we show their lie and prove them lying?
ian crossland
I don't think we should show the address.
jack posobiec
Well, I think you can show... No, no, not the address.
No, no, no.
You can show the... Oh, wait.
Is it in the screenshot?
tim pool
In the tweet from the Washington Post where they lie, they use the name of the creator of Libs of TikTok.
That's a tough one.
jack posobiec
You can at least show the screenshot of the original article, which shows the hyperlink.
It still has the name there.
See, they put the name everywhere.
This is on purpose, by the way.
It's by design.
tim pool
I think it's silly for us at this point to be like, people can't find the name.
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
We don't need to show it.
ian crossland
I think we don't need to show it.
People believe us.
If you really don't believe us, go search for it yourself.
tim pool
I think we're being ridiculous at this point to be like, oh, we're not going to say the name, even though literally it's all over Twitter everywhere.
It's trending.
lydia smith
Well, even Steven Crowder mentioned it on his show earlier.
unidentified
The Eric Caramello of the right.
tim pool
Crowder did say the name of the creator?
lydia smith
Yeah, he did.
tim pool
Well, then we're gonna go with it.
Yeah, shouldn't be an issue.
So, we have this from Christine Karate Kelly.
Statement from Cameron Barr re-reporting from Taylor Lorenz.
They said, Taylor Lorenz is an accomplished and diligent journalist whose reporting methods comport entirely with the Washington Post's professional standards.
Chaya Rajchik, in her management of the Libs of TikTok Twitter account and in media interviews, has had significant impact on public discourse and her identity had become public knowledge on social media.
We did not publish or link to any details about her personal life.
Cameron Barr, senior managing editor of the Washington Post, Tim Pool can confirm that is a lie!
I tweeted, this is the game they play, effing evil people as evil as they come.
There's the archive.
There's your proof.
Sorry to libs of TikTok for dealing with this, but WAPO needs to be exposed and proven to be liars.
Here is the archive of the first version of their story.
And I'm going to read it.
It is archive.ph slash capital B, lowercase e, capital V. I believe it's an L, lowercase l, and lowercase o.
And they linked to, right here, if I click that right now, it will show you the address of Libs of TikTok.
We pulled up private- uh, we pulled up public records.
It was a- a- a paid public records search, a little bit deeper than you normally go, and confirmed this is documented as the private home residence of the creator of Libs of TikTok.
I- I apologize that we've come to this point.
We had deep ethical conundrums and debates in the newsroom about whether or not we expose the Washington Post for having done this, because we're effectively amplifying their docs by doing so.
But I said, anything that happens at this point is on the Washington Post.
Anything bad that happens is on them, and we need to call it out, because if we say nothing, they are not held to account for having done it.
That being said, It is possible.
This is no longer the current address of the individual.
There's other issues at play.
But they also published another address, which is the, we believe, based on the reporting that we've done, is the family address of the individual.
Now you're crossing the line.
For what reason did they have to do that?
Now, I reached out to Taylor Lorenz and said, we can confirm you published the private home address of the creator of Libs of TikTok.
Do you have a comment?
To which she responded, I did not.
ian crossland
So she's saying she posted a link to it and that's the hill they're going to die on?
They're saying it's not the same?
tim pool
All she said was, I did not.
jack posobiec
No, no, no, no, because in the statement it says link.
It says we did not link to.
So in the statement from Taylor to you, she's saying I did not publish.
In the statement from the Washington Post, which came out like 12 hours after the actual article itself went live, They claim they did not link after they themselves positively went into the archive, removed the link, which we can only now see in the archive version.
tim pool
That's right.
So they're lying about doing it.
Taylor is lying about doing it.
I suppose her only argument is that she doesn't believe it's the private home address.
But I'm sorry.
How would she know that?
Did she actually... I asked her... I didn't just ask, you know, why did you do this?
I sent a comment and... I gotta be honest.
I'll give Taylor this respect.
She responds.
Every time there's been an issue, she's responded.
She's actually corrected things before, so I can respect that.
And I said, we're going to be publishing the story.
I can confirm you published the private home address of the creator of Libs of TikTok.
I asked two questions.
Why was the link removed?
And did you check the address In the link you posted before publishing it, and her response was, I did not publish the private home address, and then directed me to Washington Post PR.
If that's the only thing she has to say, I can only respond with, that is an incorrect statement, outright falsifiable, because I'm not going to publish the documents that we have because it's a paid search.
You can dig up public records that are not I'll put it this way.
It's publicly available, but it's through a paid investigative service to get these records.
You'd have to go and physically ask.
jack posobiec
Like go to the county or something.
tim pool
We got them.
We're not going to publish them, but I can say as a statement of fact, Washington Post did publish the private home address of Libs of TikTok.
jack posobiec
Is her contention, because this has to do with the fact that Libs, I guess, was a real estate salesperson, and that this was the registered address of her as a business entity working in real estate sales, and so Taylor's trying to hide behind that?
seamus coughlin
Is that the idea?
Even if that's the case, what is the good in publishing that?
Why would you have any reason to do so in order to do an exposee on somebody?
tim pool
It's at the very least.
I want to make sure we get to the real nuance here, the real context.
The link they published was a real estate license, which had the address of an LLC.
However, the address used by the LLC is actually a split building with multiple apartments and a storefront.
On Google Maps, the storefront is a salon.
So I said, okay, well, wait a minute.
It is common for people to use their own address for their LLCs.
jack posobiec
Yeah, all the time.
tim pool
Regardless of whatever reason, I have no idea why there's other employees listed within the LLC at that address.
We did the record search, and it is listed in public records as a private residence of this individual.
So that's on the Washington Post.
If they would like to explain that, Feel free to.
As it stands right now, we pulled public records, it's a private home address, and they published the address.
Anyone else can do it, and anything that happens at this point is on the Washington Post for doing it.
ian crossland
I've got to point out some, I guess, nuance, because posting something and posting a link to something are different, as a social media administrator.
And if someone posts something illegal, they go to jail.
If someone posts a link to it, they're allowed to.
tim pool
Not true.
ian crossland
Well, it is as an admin.
You remove the original piece, but you don't hammer everyone that retweeted it.
That's insane if you live like that.
tim pool
We're not talking about sharing a post.
We're talking about them taking the link to the address and putting it in the article.
ian crossland
Was this not already public information?
tim pool
So, the name of the individual is not public.
ian crossland
So they put some pieces together?
tim pool
So, if no one knows the name of the person, then it doesn't matter what is public.
If you then say, here's their name, and here's a link to their address, you've doxed them, you've published your address, and I gotta be honest, that is the nuclear bomb of doxing.
They're trying to argue this is not doxing.
When you post their name, and then with a link next to it saying, here's their home address, you've doxed them.
ian crossland
Is that illegal?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Maybe it should be in the 21st century.
tim pool
Free speech.
jack posobiec
The thing that I think we do need to add, though, is that the Washington Post is not the one that did all this work.
And Taylor Lorenz is certainly not the one who did all this work.
She's piggybacking off of work that was done by pro-Antifa accounts over the weekend.
People that have been doxing online accounts on the right and conservatives for years with ongoing harassment campaigns, some of which, by the way, we're starting to hear may receive foreign government funding.
tim pool
Well, what I can say is, what is very much ignored by this, is that Taylor Lorenz did receive information from activists, published it as if it was her story, and used the Washington Post.
Matthew Iglesias of Vox.com, which is a left-wing publication, he's no longer with them anymore, but he's one of the founders.
jack posobiec
He started it, but then he left, yeah.
tim pool
He said, he had a great take.
He said this article is basically framed as libs of TikTok bad, but then it provides you with no real thesis or argument as to why that's the case.
There's no story.
It's basically, it is activism masquerading as news.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, there is no story.
He said it turns out that the crux of the story, who is this person, turns out she's a random crank of no, of, you know, no public notoriety.
So why was that relevant?
jack posobiec
This is, do you remember when they doxed, when I think it was Buzzfeed doxed Harvey Duncombe?
Oh yeah.
And they said, oh, the pro-Trump meme maker.
And they found that he's a stay-at-home father of four who lives in Kansas City.
He's just like a regular guy who raises his kids and makes memes, as opposed to Seamus, who raises other people's children.
seamus coughlin
What?
ian crossland
Thank you, by the way, for that.
But but you lift them up Seamus, what do you mean all the children of earth?
tim pool
Oh, I gotta I gotta I gotta pull something up real quick when you go to the SPJ ethics code and I think I'm gonna have to shrink this so you can see it.
There we go You can see minimize harm in large black bold letters and it says Recognize that legal access to information differs from an ethical justification to publish or broadcast it.
ian crossland
Here we go.
tim pool
This is the Society for Professional Journalists' Standard of Ethics.
Now, there's others.
There's Reuters.
I think the AP has theirs, but this is SPJ, which is what they teach you in schools.
And the point being brought up here is, you minimize harm.
Within minimize harm, they literally say, just because information may be public or you have legal access to it, doesn't mean you should broadcast it.
Which is the challenge we had in our newsroom, because we're like, we can confirm this is a private home address, but do we push that out?
Because that'll potentially cause harm.
You know, this is the— Real quick, it was a coin toss for us.
We ultimately decided that the public's right to know what major corporations are doing with the power of billionaires outweighed the potential harms, because the harm of not exposing this was greater than the harms to the individual.
So with that, you know, I apologize to libs of TikTok for being caught up in this, but we are not the ones who posted the edges.
ian crossland
It's a tough one, because do you expose Medusa to the crowd to show them that it's Medusa?
Because if they see it, they'll turn to stone.
seamus coughlin
Well, I mean, and what are they exposing?
This person makes videos on the internet that make fun of other people.
In fact, they're not even doing that.
They're just posting other things that people have said, which were already ridiculous in and of themselves.
jack posobiec
There would be a story if there were some, I don't know, funded effort behind this that was being obfuscated, or if there were some nefarious, you know, organization behind the lives, something like that.
But there's no story here.
There's no story whatsoever.
tim pool
This is the point I brought up earlier.
What is served by saying the two words that is the private name of the individual?
Nothing.
Now, the story could be the person running the account was at January 6th, as reported.
I think that's relevant.
Interesting.
What are the motivations of this person?
The opinions of the individual.
Also, oh, okay, so this person also said these things.
That's relevant.
But you can tell that story without saying their name.
Saying the name only serves to maximize potential harm.
jack posobiec
Well, so what I was going to say, this is the opposite argument that you hear in, uh, that came up in the Katanji Brown-Jackson hearings when she was talking about some of the decisions in an article she had written when she was in law school regarding sex offender registries.
And the idea being that if you make a mistake once in your life, it shouldn't follow you for the rest of your life forever.
So the idea was to minimize harm to potential sex offenders or to convicted sex offenders that over time you would be able to reduce the amount of time essentially that you would appear in the registry.
That's the exact argument that was being made for sex offenders, right?
Versus this one, which is minimize harm completely for just the subjects of journalism.
So Taylor Renz, right, is maximizing harm to someone who runs An aggregator of, again, public videos that are already out there.
Videos, again, that are made to be shared.
And obviously it's, you know, it's not hypocrisy, it's hierarchy.
That's kind of the main thing, the main thrust of all this.
Because we can say all day long that, oh, it's hypocrisy, you're doing, you're exposing, you're writing, you're doing all this stuff, but it's not hypocrisy.
It's hierarchy.
They're allowed to do it.
Taylor Lorenz is allowed to do it because she is of the anointed class.
She is of the upper class.
She is of the aristocracy.
And the fact of the matter is that because Liz of TikTok was not anointed, she didn't go to the right school.
She didn't get the right credentials.
She was doing this unauthorized.
Then she's not allowed to.
Because keep in mind, Taylor Lorenz used to be a TikTok journalist herself.
And she would go in specifically posting videos from Kellyanne Conway's 13-year-old daughter and all sorts of other people across TikTok and Instagram.
And she was doxing Pamela Geller's daughters at the same time.
This is what she did.
At the end of the day, Taylor Lorenz is jealous that Libs of TikTok was able to become more influential and more effective and do more long-lasting reporting just from looking at TikTok videos than Taylor Lorenz will ever do in her entire life.
ian crossland
You said earlier that there was like foreign actors potentially involved with activist groups that are working in the doxing.
Yeah.
Is that confirmed or is this just stuff you've heard?
jack posobiec
It is confirmed.
ian crossland
Do you have evidence?
I mean, is there evidence around that we can pull up or is it is it something we should?
tim pool
We should we should wait until we have a bigger story, the release.
Yeah, because I don't want to get into.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's not research on the air.
tim pool
I like pulling up sources for this.
jack posobiec
It is a rabbit hole, but the idea is that the person who conducted the initial docs is actually receiving funding from foreign governments.
lydia smith
Interesting.
seamus coughlin
Well, we've talked about this before.
The Washington Post is not exactly the most reputable and responsible publication out there, so I'm sure you all remember that these are the people who spread the mistruths about Nick Sandman.
And part of why I'm bringing that up right now is because even though you mentioned it isn't necessarily illegal for them to link to the information they link to, we could all agree it's extremely irresponsible.
And when you looked at the Nick Sandman case, There's sort of a similar situation where they made the entire country hate this kid and then in the name of the story, the Covington school kids, they told you where he went to school.
So it would be very easy for someone to find and hurt him and the people he was with based on that information.
That's insanely irresponsible.
ian crossland
Did he sue Washington Post too?
seamus coughlin
I believe he sued Washington Post and attempted to sue CNN, but I can double-check on that.
tim pool
Let's talk about why this is happening.
So we have this story from the New York Post.
Jon Stewart's new show on Apple TV is reportedly a flop.
Well, what happened?
Jon Stewart got woke.
Went broke.
Look at Bill Maher.
Bill Maher has been resisting and trying to pull back, but still pretty much playing the establishment game.
But he's been calling out wokeness, and he's sort of maintained an audience.
He's also never retired.
Jon Stewart tried to make a comeback.
Smack talks white people, and the problem with white people gets panned for it.
And you know what I think?
I think most of you watching used to watch Jon Stewart.
I used to watch Jon Stewart.
Now I see him come back, get woke, go broke.
Let's talk about this.
We were just talking about libs of TikTok.
What is libs of TikTok?
Well, the reality is it was an aggregator.
It was a lens that was aggregating the woke left, the insane things they say and do, and presenting them in a feed.
This was a powerful tool in the culture war, showing regular people what was going on.
It resulted in outrage among parents.
It resulted, potentially, in laws getting passed.
Now, why would they try to target the individual and try to destroy their lives?
Because wokeness is not popular and it cannot win without brute force trying to destroy.
When Jon Stewart tries to get woke, It fails.
That's what they say, get woke, go broke, right?
So they have to, like, this is the funny thing.
If someone is showing people what woke people are like, they have to shut it down.
They're like, no, no, no, no, don't, don't.
Well, people, because people are mocking it.
But Jon Stewart's version of being woke was meant to be a serious, prominent personality trying to get you to believe in woke things, and it's not working.
jack posobiec
No, I remember he, one of the first things he came out against was calling Harry Potter anti-Semitic.
And then he went on this whole sort of like retconning of that, where he actually went in and had them change the video title on the YouTube card, in order to, because it originally said... Oh, that's right, the Goblins!
Anti-Semitism, right, the Goblins.
Anti-semitism in Harry Potter, and then he changed it to just anti-semitic tropes.
And he said, no, I wasn't saying that Harry Potter was anti-semitic.
I was just saying that these tropes show up inside of Harry Potter.
He's totally different.
So it's like, he doesn't know how to be woke.
tim pool
He's saying the wizard himself Character yes, no he called.
seamus coughlin
He's like.
I think he's a great a great wizard I'd even say a grand wizard that Harry Potter, but I wasn't calling him racist in any way I think well there's kind of been a lot of John Stewart worship for some bizarre reason over the past couple years And I think that's because when comparing him to John Oliver or Trevor Noah He's significantly less funny, but I've heard a lot of people say things like when John Stewart was the person making informational left-wing comedy it was all fantastic, but I I gotta be honest, he very much did the clown nose on, clown nose off thing that we've sometimes complained about.
I remember he was getting into an argument with Tucker Carlson a couple years ago, and it was on Crossfire.
That's right, it was a viral clip, and he's going on about all this misinformation Carlson is spreading, and Tucker says, well, you've spread a lot of misinformation on your show, and his response is, it's a comedy show.
And I'm sorry, but when you're presenting yourself as a comedy show that spreads information to help keep people informed, you don't get to fall back on, I was just kidding when you get the facts wrong.
jack posobiec
So we did an episode about a year ago when Luke was here, and he and I got into it over this, over Jon Stewart.
If you guys remember that.
You weren't here that night, but I think you three were.
And I was essentially making this argument and Luke was saying, but he had on Ron Paul, he needed some of these other things.
And I said, look, no, he was the leading edge of that.
He was always the leading edge of the weaponization of comedy.
And now it's gone far beyond the seeds that he initially sowed in us.
tim pool
I can agree, you know, I think it's silly to look back and try to romanticize the era of Jon Stewart, but he praised Project Veritas.
And this is a really good example of, at the bare minimum, of how things were different.
He mocked James O'Keefe for wearing a silly outfit, but that's fine.
You know, he was taking jabs at James for dressing up the way he did.
And it was actually like the normal clothes James was wearing.
I forgot what he said.
But, uh, what did he call it?
I don't know.
But he basically was like, journalists, where are you?
How are you getting scooped by these guys?
Which is, you know, he showed the ACORN reporting legitimately, like, look at this.
And he didn't call James O'Keefe a liar.
He didn't say it was deceptively edited.
He said, wow, look what these guys accomplished.
At the very least, you have that.
Now we're in the media age where Trump gets not a single good day, where everything James O'Keefe does is deceptively edited.
jack posobiec
But is James, but okay, has Jon Stewart done that lately?
tim pool
Well, no, no.
Jon Stewart came back.
jack posobiec
Has he shared a Project Veritas story in the last 10 years?
tim pool
He was retired for several years.
seamus coughlin
He came back.
tim pool
He comes back now, woke and broke.
Not literally broke, figuratively broke.
jack posobiec
My point is, he's that leading edge.
He's still that leading edge.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, I just want to say, I know you were going to say something, but I just want to drop this in there first before we potentially shift to something else.
It's not to say that Jon Stewart's been wrong about everything he's ever done or everything he's ever said.
It's just that, like you said, he was on the leading edge of all of this.
And whenever somebody comes out and says something even remotely sensible, conservatives go, oh, this guy gets it.
He's great.
He's our guy now.
jack posobiec
Conservatives need to stop doing that.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's really frustrating.
jack posobiec
Bill Maher.
ian crossland
I was going to bring up when Stewart went on the... Jack Dorsey.
The Tonight Show with Stephen Colbert.
He does a Tonight Show now.
And was talking about the coronavirus and the Wuhan laboratory of bat coronaviruses across the street from the market where they told us they found the bat coronavirus.
jack posobiec
The Hersey chocolate spill.
ian crossland
That was like the most sensible, aware, normal human observation.
I was like, good, Jon Stewart's still normal.
jack posobiec
Which we all had within like one week or even one day of hearing about the Wuhan lab.
We said, oh, there's a coronavirus right across the street from a virus factory.
seamus coughlin
I know!
It's hysterical that saying that it's possible that the virus that originated right outside of a virus factory.
It was insane to say maybe that came from the virus factory and it was sensible to say that it mutated in a bat and then someone ate the soup at a wet market and that's how it all happened.
tim pool
Now when Jon Stewart came out, semi out of retirement, Disheveled and Uncle Bear saying all of these things.
We were like, Jon Stewart's back.
He's gonna call out the media for being dumb.
Then what did he do?
Got up on his show and said, the problem with white people.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
And we're like, oh, here we go.
jack posobiec
The anti-Semitism of Harry Potter.
ian crossland
What happened?
I've never heard him use that language before.
tim pool
I'll tell you what.
Here's what I think.
Bill Maher on his show.
He saw the tides because he was sitting in it.
He saw people tweeting him.
He probably talked to people and they were like, dude, you're getting these things wrong.
And he was like, but those are conservative things.
And they're like, listen, he probably went, hmm.
So Bill Maher, I think, is trying to play both sides.
Call out the woke because the woke goes too far, but don't actually entertain the fact the left is so far gone that Bill Maher is conservative by today's.
Like if they call me a conservative, Bill Maher is to the right of me on a bunch of things.
But I think Bill Maher recognized that, and so he's like, I'm going to call out the woke a little bit.
Jon Stewart comes back from his semi-retirement, and he's like, okay, what am I doing?
And they're like, here's what's happening if you want to be a liberal guy.
And he went, I'll just say whatever I have to say to be relevant.
And so he was like, okay, what's that?
People don't like white people?
Let's do a show about it.
And then sure enough, it turns out people actually don't like any of that stuff.
They don't like what Jon Stewart's presenting on.
I think a really good example to understand the blue checks are wrong and crazy is that
when the mask mandate was ended, all these videos emerge of people celebrating. There's a
video of a flight attendant singing and dancing with a garbage bag. They're throwing their
masks in and I'm like, everybody hated that, except for blue check mark journalists who are like,
you should sue Delta if they make you take your mask off.
jack posobiec
If you go in on the tweet about the DC Metro has taken it off, but then a buddy of mine who rides it pretty regularly says they don't really enforce it anyway.
He said he was on it once and somebody wasn't wearing it.
And then someone said something to the Metro guy who was on there and said, hey, this guy doesn't have his mask on.
The Metro guy was like, I'm not a cop, man.
What do you want me to do?
I said, well, neither of the flight attendants, right?
And also it wasn't a law to begin with.
But if you go and look at the tweet from the DC Metro and Marina Medvin had posted this, and she was screenshotting all the quote tweets over the DC Metro rescinding the mask mandate.
And all they're saying, by the way, is it's optional, right?
It's optional to wear, which, by the way, if you go to Asia, China, South Korea, Japan, mask wearing, if you're sick, is pretty normal.
It's pretty normalized.
It's always been around, certainly since they dealt with SARS, Navy flu, and some of the other things.
But with with this one people were freaking out and then G prime had a really good tweet this morning about it Where he said just imagine if you will you're mid-flight in a flying coffin You could have you could enter the voice comes over the intercom they start taking the masks Spreaded by the plague and the worst thing of all They're smiling.
tim pool
The guy who tweeted, what did he tweet?
That I was on a plane with their masks off and that this is MAGA air or something like that.
seamus coughlin
Oh my god.
jack posobiec
This is MAGA airspace.
seamus coughlin
That was hysterical, yes.
And then a journalist reached out to him.
jack posobiec
From the New York Times.
tim pool
Was like, can you tell me about your experience?
He's like, well, it was satire, but something only a journalist would have believed.
jack posobiec
Right.
ian crossland
I saw that G-prime image of the plane.
I didn't know who it was or what it was.
And I thought, oh, this is some far some whacked out journalist that hates the the mandates
were lifted i was like wow this is trash propaganda and then i saw the name yeah and my entire
perception of the image changed so at some point maybe we should put satire above things that are satire
you're starting to sound like snopes i thought if his name wasn't on that i would have thought it
was some some more like somebody that was all that hated the lifting the requirements and wanted
jack posobiec
masks look look look Look, I gotta say, you need to be training.
You need to be putting on speed.
These people will chase you five or six at a time.
You might have to run away from them screaming.
If you go anywhere near a Whole Foods, if you go anywhere near a supermarket, airports, they congregate in these spaces, Ian, I'm telling you.
They will swarm.
And if two or three of them scurry away from you, right, when they see you unmasked in the aisle, keep up your situational awareness.
Maintain your guard and your psychic defenses at all times because they could be returning with numbers.
tim pool
Okay.
seamus coughlin
Frightening people.
No, I gotta be honest.
Hold on.
I thought the G Prime comic was hysteric.
He's been on this kick where he tries to create these very intentionally banal left-wing comics.
His whole idea is he's trying to get into the head of a New York Times cartoonist.
And they're really funny.
He does a very good job with them.
ian crossland
The problem I'm having with satire, and this is why I disliked Stephen Colbert for so long with his old show, his satire show, is that there's so much lying going on right now in the universe that I need honesty.
And if the people I trust start saying things that aren't true just for an effect, I gotta disengage.
I can't listen to that stuff or respect it.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
Let's talk about CNN, my friends.
We have this story from Axios.
CNN plus looks doomed.
Where should we get the cake from?
And when's the party?
Sunday.
Sunday.
No, for real.
jack posobiec
Maybe we can get Chris Wallace to bake it for us.
tim pool
All right, here's the story, my friends.
From Axios, they say Warner Brothers Discovery has suspended all external marketing spend for CNN Plus and has laid off CNN's longtime chief financial officer as it weighs what to do with the subscription streaming service moving forward.
Now, now hold on.
Everybody was saying they had 10,000 subscribers.
You know, they had 10,000 daily active users.
Axio says they have 150,000 subscribers so far.
Let me just put that in some numbers for you.
If they're getting between three and $6, we're looking at between, you know, like what, eight, around 8 million maybe they're making per month?
Now they spent, I think, 250 million to set it up.
So they're deep in the hole and not gonna recover that anytime soon.
Certainly not as much as they thought it would be, but still a lot of money.
That being said, my friends, If you think we're better than them, please go to TimCast.com.
Become members because we should have more than that.
We don't, but we should.
It's growth.
The more members we get, the more people we hire, the bigger we get.
CNN Plus should not be doing as well as they're doing.
They are, of course.
They're still doing so abysmally bad.
They're probably going to get nuked.
jack posobiec
Do you see the bottom line of that right there?
Sources say a plan is being considered to replace Chris Cuomo's 9 p.m.
Eastern primetime slot with a live new cast.
And I love how they describe this.
Newscast.
Newscast.
Instead of a personality-driven perspective programming.
unidentified
Wow.
Good.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Perspective programming.
tim pool
You know, we thought about that too here at Timcast.
We were like, why have this Tim Pool guy host a show with conversation?
Let's just hire Chris Cuomo and have him, you know, Talk to people.
That would make way more sense.
jack posobiec
I would love to have Chris Cuomo on if he was like actually talking.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jack posobiec
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
So Warner Brothers owns CNN.
They're just basically pumping massive amounts of marketing into it to get 100,000 people to subscribe to their thing.
But I mean, that indicates nothing to whether or not it's good or valuable.
seamus coughlin
It's not good.
tim pool
Sorry, the issue isn't the 150,000 subs.
It's that only 10,000 people on average use it per day, which is like per day.
That's 24 hours.
So think about that in 24 hours, about 400 every hour, about 400 people or so.
Is that, is that, is that, is that right?
jack posobiec
That's like a, that's like an average Telegram chat room, you know, kind of thing.
I mean, I actually do think I have more people in my Telegram chat actively, uh, on a regular basis than that.
And I know I do not market or pay for anything.
ian crossland
I would like to see the ratio of other companies that have subscription models, like how many subscribers TimCast has versus how many people land on it every day.
Same with Netflix.
jack posobiec
But that's apples to oranges.
ian crossland
Well, you get an idea of the ratio of how many people actually pay for it and how many people actually watch it, and that number's pretty important.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I was going to mention this earlier.
I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but I still don't understand how CNN saw that they were doing abysmally in the ratings and thought, you know what?
We're going to get people to pay for this.
Why would anyone pay more for stuff you don't want to watch?
It's free at the airport.
That's why people watch it.
Not anymore.
tim pool
Yeah, they've been at the airports for a while.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh!
tim pool
I'll tell you what happened is they had a meeting, and this is my opinion, and went, hey, why are our ratings so bad among millennials?
And some marketing guy was like, because millennials are watching streaming services.
And they were like, if we launch a streaming service, we'll get millennials.
I'll tell you, I bet the real issue Is that of those 150 subscribers, it's like 149 people who
are 55 or older.
jack posobiec
You know what this is like? This is like Quibi. You remember Quibi?
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
That thing that was around for like five minutes.
ian crossland
Microsoft.
jack posobiec
But somehow got the Reno 911.
So the idea was that it was micro streaming. So they're like, hey, what if, and they had
like these short Reno 911 episodes, which are actually pretty good, but they would only give
you a little bit of it. So.
So it was like, what do people love?
Well, they love being on their phones.
And what else did they love?
They love short videos.
So let's make a company that's all about programmed, scripted, short videos and deliver it to your phone.
It was a complete failure.
Nobody liked it because that's not organic social media content.
Right.
People want either like live form stuff like this, not scripted, direct interaction, actual human engagement with, you know, like actual humans.
Obviously Ian is, you know, kind of a robot, questionable in that sense.
But, um, but you know, we accept you as you are.
And, and it was just an abysmal failure because again, you could, that was Jeffrey Katzenberg, by the way, it was behind that, um, the former DreamWorks and Disney guy who you could tell had some meetings.
What are the kids like today?
Oh, stream video?
Let's do that.
unidentified
But on the phone, it'll be great.
jack posobiec
I thought Microsoft's a direct investor.
ian crossland
I could be wrong about that.
tim pool
The reality was that nobody likes CNN.
jack posobiec
Yes.
tim pool
That CNN was like, maybe the issue is that we're not in the right place.
And now they're probably, you know, I hope they cried.
I hope someone at CNN sat there and was just like, they cried.
But they really just don't like us.
ian crossland
That's a good point, Jack.
The modern media now, the whole, like, one-way media stream is kind of, that's what's dying off.
It's turning into a two-way thing.
If you can't talk to your subscribers and vice versa, then it's, no one wants... I don't think that it's just that it's one-way or two-way.
seamus coughlin
I agree that that could have something to do with it, but it's also the fact that they're an unreliable network.
They report garbage.
They don't have an interesting perspective that anyone wants to hear.
ian crossland
That's a good point, because Netflix is one-way for the most part, and they're...
Flying, you know.
tim pool
Had an excellent... Netflix is not fine.
ian crossland
No flying.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah, they tanked today.
tim pool
Yeah, they tanked massively.
ian crossland
Did anyone figure out why?
tim pool
They're losing subscribers.
ian crossland
What's happening?
tim pool
They're losing subscribers.
seamus coughlin
They're all going to CNN Plus?
How are we going to compete?
ian crossland
Oh, it's taxed because they can't afford taxes.
So people are cutting their subscriptions probably.
tim pool
Oh, no, no, no.
We'll get to that in a second.
jack posobiec
But I want to throw a really good, really good text in that kind of actually from a buddy of mine who shall remain nameless right now.
But a guy I used to work with in my old job, if that makes any sense.
And it said, they had to lift the airline mandates because it was becoming too obvious that only LA, New York City, and the capital city still care about COVID.
The rest of the country has moved on to gas prices and food shortages, and .gov employees are still worried about the flu.
Their distance from their subjects has become so far that to convince them that it is still a democracy, they needed to drop the mandate.
tim pool
Democracy.
jack posobiec
For democracy, folks.
For democracy.
tim pool
The weird thing is to still see these blue check journalists be like, everyone, we should start suing the airlines.
seamus coughlin
I know, for what?
tim pool
Because they're like, you agreed there would be masks when I got on this plane and now you're taking them off.
And it's like, well, that was the government.
ian crossland
Yo, I looked up Netflix stock, the first story.
Netflix loses subscribers.
Thanks.
From CNN.
Their new competitor.
jack posobiec
Ooh, interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, so, were we talking about masks?
seamus coughlin
Something about masks.
jack posobiec
Well, we were going to talk about why, you know, where we think the subscribers are going from Netflix.
seamus coughlin
And them lifting the mandates.
unidentified
And then I was talking about masks.
tim pool
Yeah, we were talking about masks.
jack posobiec
So, the Biden administration, by the way, this just broke before the show went live, the Biden administration has announced that right now, in a midterm election year, they are actually going to be fighting to reinstate the mask mandates.
seamus coughlin
Oh yeah, I know.
In federal court.
tim pool
So we have people who are actively calling for, that's what we're talking about, suing airlines because the mask mandates got lifted.
This all comes together.
You were mentioning being out of touch with their subjects.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
CNN is in line with this narrative on Twitter, which exists among like 3% of the population.
That when the masks come off, everyone's screaming and cheering, but CNN is on the side of like, this is really bad, you know?
People should be upset by this.
And regular people are like, why would I watch your show?
That does not relate to me.
Who cares?
seamus coughlin
Well, I don't know.
I mean, I think people not wearing masks is a threat to our democracy.
See that?
jack posobiec
You see that CNN perspective right there?
unidentified
Boom.
Thank you.
jack posobiec
Right there for democracy.
We need an unelected bureaucratic doctor who's
never been elected a dog catcher in his life to be making decisions for
all three hundred fifteen million Americans.
You know, someone who would be speckled, you know, elfish
elderly man.
That's true democracy.
tim pool
Is he still around though?
That's true.
seamus coughlin
Leaving voicemails.
tim pool
Yeah, if he has.
jack posobiec
Has he left any voicemails recently?
Can we give us an update?
seamus coughlin
Left some.
There's a Freedom Tunes video that reported a bunch of voicemails he left on MSNBC's answering machines.
tim pool
Yeah, that was good.
The idea being that Fauci is just out of the media now for some reason.
That's funny though.
I'll give the media that much.
They recognized Fauci's out.
jack posobiec
He's like doing the podcast of the kid who lives next door and stuff.
Like regular media.
seamus coughlin
It's just, it's funny because, Tim, you sort of mentioned that, well, actually, no, you mentioned this, that in a midterm election year, they're saying they're going to fight to reinstate the mandates.
It is very bizarre because they've known that that's a losing issue for a little while now, and everything's going so poorly.
It's almost like they're just flailing around trying to do anything.
They're not even thinking strategy.
When you're that low in the polls, when you're just sinking, you're drowning, you're flailing your limbs everywhere, you're not actually making calculated motions.
jack posobiec
They're like, we've got 33% left.
unidentified
How do we destroy the last?
seamus coughlin
Speaking of which, I literally, I uploaded a cartoon about this today.
You guys check it out.
It's called the Democrats' Brilliant Midterm Strategy.
tim pool
Or the lockdowns are coming back.
Philadelphia brought the mask mandates back.
And we'll see.
I said, end of last year, the lockdowns are going to come back.
Luke said that wouldn't happen.
jack posobiec
I said they would.
tim pool
Once it started getting lifted, I was like, I guess Luke was right.
I was wrong.
But now I'm kind of like, I don't know.
jack posobiec
No, and I had reported this and people, you know, got all mad at me because they were discussing this in the White House, returning the masks, or excuse me, returning the lockdowns.
Kind of the impetus for that, and then Biden was even going to do a whole speech about it, that basically got flipped into the nationwide vaccine mandate speech.
But it was essentially the same type of rhetoric.
They just switched it from lockdowns into vaccines.
But this whole idea of, you know, we're in this together.
They keep talking about it.
Ron Klain, the White House chief of staff, keeps referring to this as his FDR moment.
Everything's his FDR moment, right?
From this, to Ukraine, to whatever else.
He's the new FDR.
He's the new FDR, except he can't get anything passed.
tim pool
Let's talk about Jack Dorsey and CNN.
This is from The Hill.
Jack Dorsey says he saw CNN try to create conflict in Ferguson.
jack posobiec
Tim, you were in Ferguson.
tim pool
Yeah, and I would say I believe Jack Dorsey is right.
Now, can I say I witnessed whatever it is he saw?
No.
What I can say is CNN was there on the ground, and I would describe it as problematic.
jack posobiec
And it was Jake Tapper, right?
tim pool
Oh, everyone was there.
jack posobiec
Oh, wow.
tim pool
There was that who's that portly woman in the in the pink dress No, no, she's I can't remember her name but she's like standing on the street and then the gunshots start ringing out and she goes oh Oh!
unidentified
Oh!
tim pool
And it's like, what are you doing?
unidentified
Move!
tim pool
People are shooting guns!
But no, um, Don Lemon reported there was no tear gas while I was getting tear gassed.
So I'm just like, if Jack Dorsey were to tell me that, I'd be like, yeah.
Cause when the big news crews came down to West Florissant, I heard one journalist say something.
He was, he was talking to someone.
And then the part of the conversation I heard was, well, I'm just here for networking.
It's a great opportunity or something like that.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Because like, you know, I think Anderson Cooper was there at some point, I'm not sure.
But if Jack Dorsey says he saw that, I'd be like, that's about in line with the BS I saw them doing.
Like, crappy reporting, no security, just flailing all over the place, getting things wrong.
And I would not be surprised if they were trying to egg things on.
Because I've also seen, in other instances of protests, news crews ask protesters to pose for them.
jack posobiec
That's essentially what he's saying.
But then, but then instead of the, do they have the actual phrasing up there?
Um, cause I think what he was saying something about, like, they asked them to pose.
I watched them try to create conflict and filming it, causing the protesters to chant FCNN.
So it seems like it's, you know, and this is the way I'm reading it.
Cause it's, it's worded kind of weirdly, but it sounds like he's saying they were trying to pose the protesters and instead the protesters turned on CNN.
tim pool
And this was all in reference to Brian Stelter said, Tucker Carlson is always selling the same
thing. In reference to an analytical piece in the Washington Post that said Fox News was selling
doubt. Dorsey responded, and you are all selling hope. And then people were like, he's selling the
truth. Jack went off like.
Yeah, he's lit up.
jack posobiec
Well, Tim, you've spent, and I don't mean to pick your brain about this, you've spent obviously several hours with Mr. Dorsey on a famous interview slash debate.
tim pool
You saw that viral video?
jack posobiec
I sent you that this morning, where Tim asks Vijaya of the Safety and Trust team on Twitter, would Twitter allow someone to spread what's considered misinformation about vaccines?
tim pool
I said, would you, so I could be wrong, but I think it was, would you allow someone to share information about vaccines that could be wrong and maybe get someone hurt?
And they said, that's not a violation of our rules.
jack posobiec
She said, that's not a violation of our rules.
Did not age well.
seamus coughlin
It was years ago.
jack posobiec
But point being that you spent all that time with her and Jack Dorsey.
So what is your take on this?
You know, people are calling it the Dorsey redemption arc.
tim pool
I've been calling it that.
jack posobiec
What do you think?
tim pool
Couple things.
Maybe... You know, Jack said a whole bunch of really great things when I went there and met with him the first time.
He did.
He was telling me before the show, he was like, I want decentralized, immutable social media on the blockchain.
And I said, whoa!
That's beyond what I'm even talking about, dude.
I'm just saying don't ban people for saying naughty words.
You're saying, like, everything you ever post will be forever.
seamus coughlin
And I'm like... You started shaming him.
You're like, there needs to be more regulation on Twitter, Jack.
tim pool
Yeah, I was like, wow, I'm on the other side of that one.
jack posobiec
Get out of here, Murray Rothbard.
tim pool
I think people should be allowed to remove it.
It shouldn't be permanent.
But afterwards, we talked about path to redemption.
Never happened.
And after a little while, I was like, all of these things that Jack keeps talking about, he never does.
That he could do, he won't do.
So I don't trust him.
I don't believe him.
He's the CEO.
What's going on?
If he really believed in it, he'd come out and be like, guys, here's why it can't be done.
Here's what I'm struggling with.
But he keeps things a secret.
It could be that as CEO, he was tied up and couldn't make these moves.
I wonder.
I mean, he's a billionaire.
At what point does he just be like, I don't need to be a billionaire, dude.
I can be a hundred millionaire or a ten millionaire, and I'm going to tell people the truth.
ian crossland
I think he's probably on an NDA or non-compete clause of some sort.
tim pool
What's the worst case scenario?
ian crossland
They sue him to oblivion.
tim pool
What does oblivion mean?
ian crossland
I don't know.
Take all his net wealth away.
tim pool
They can't take all of it away.
jack posobiec
He'll be rich forever.
That's his point.
ian crossland
Yeah, but why would he?
I don't think he's ready to make that sacrifice.
But I know what you mean, but I don't think he's going to go there.
tim pool
That's fine.
unidentified
That's fine.
tim pool
Jack, it is my opinion that Jack He tweeted out so much to be said that can't be said or something to that effect Okay, then either he prefers to be really rich as opposed to help fix the problems Or he doesn't think telling the truth would actually do anything of value, so he won't say it anyway
jack posobiec
So that idea that he's talked about before, also in 2019, because I was kind of tweet mining his timeline for stuff that he said in the past about this, and his idea for decentralizing Twitter was more than just Twitter itself.
It was actually the idea of turning Twitter into an internet protocol.
And so the idea being is that And if you remember the original origin story, and I think a lot of these like tech origin stories are kind of like come from a marketing department as opposed to what's actually happened.
But the idea was that it was supposed to be just sort of this open group text or an open chat room.
And that was the reason for the character limit so that it was a chat room that you could share with anybody who had access and they followed you and they could get in, right?
And so, the idea being that it was based off of SMS, it was based off of text message technology.
So, that's obviously an open protocol.
So, if you have an Android and I have an iPhone, I can text you, you can text me, we're across platforms.
The idea then, for this, for a decentralized protocol based on Twitter then, open source.
So, let's say you have, you know, let's say you use Getter, let's say you use Truth, let's say, whatever, like whatever social media you're using that's on this.
There are people who are on it.
And Twitter, that you would be able to interact with people across the platforms.
That I could see those posts if I followed that person, even if they weren't expressly on my platform.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what we're building with our charity.
The charity that we're getting revved up at the moment.
That's completely the future of the internet.
I think Jax wanted it, but he's been- So it becomes a protocol and you can't, yeah, you can't- Yeah, it's a piece of software that no one controls.
It's just a decentralized software unit.
tim pool
It's just like inverted email.
Imagine you'd go to the firehose, the feed, whatever.
Right.
Anyone can host it.
Your account is your own website.
So people wouldn't follow, you know, at Timcast.
They would follow, you know, at Timcast.com or whatever.
And then all of my tweets and videos are on my own website.
But if you're following on the decentralized app, you can see those things.
I think that's the feature, because then no one can ban you.
You're just there on the internet and people can subscribe, kind of like RSS.
All we got to do is build it.
jack posobiec
No, it's exactly like RSS.
ian crossland
Yeah, RSS 3.0.
That was the beginning of the idea.
It's becoming different with what we're working on with everybody.
I'm not ready to announce exactly what it is yet, but it's very, very close to announcing.
jack posobiec
So he teed up something, Dorsey, in a recent tweet that they do have a project called Blue Sky, I think.
tim pool
It's been out for a while.
I've DM'd with him so often, you know, over the years, like not all the time, but enough talking about stuff like this that I just, I was like, this dude's just lying.
Because he's going to say these things publicly and he's like, we're working on Blue Sky and then nothing happens.
It's remarkable because... Which sound great.
jack posobiec
They all sound great.
tim pool
If I had one tenth of Jack Dorsey's wealth, It'd be done.
You'd have an alpha in a few months.
ian crossland
Well, you'd need developers.
Yeah, he's worth billions of dollars.
Yeah, but money isn't a developer.
You need to find the people that do it.
tim pool
Dude, come on.
ian crossland
And then you've got to find people that like each other, that want to work together.
tim pool
That's true, but if you had $20 million to spend on the project, it would be an alpha within, come on, six months.
ian crossland
I don't know, man.
You could throw a lot of money at a group of people and get nothing.
tim pool
Dude, it's been three years!
jack posobiec
It's been years.
ian crossland
But what they need is organization.
I know people with lots of money, they need people to organize and do it.
tim pool
Right.
If you are worth $20 million, you can do it.
seamus coughlin
Ian, are you extending your services to Jack Dorsey?
ian crossland
I'm doing it for free, baby.
Join us, Jack.
tim pool
It's like, you know, we're trying to set up a nonprofit that has no money to get this going and it's taking forever to get the filings, but it's been like six months and there's people already working on it.
So I don't know what they're doing with Blue Sky, but three years on, I'm like, Jack, I really don't believe you're working on this.
ian crossland
I wonder what he's doing.
tim pool
Yeah, it's whispering sweet nothings into your ears.
You wanna know what he's doing?
Here's what people are saying.
Elon Musk might take over Twitter.
All of a sudden, Jack Dorsey comes out as this rogue figure who's like, I've had enough.
It's time to be honest and tell the truth.
And now people on the right are gonna be like, yeah, you go, Jack.
And then Jack's like, we don't need Elon.
I'm here.
And then once Elon gets pushed out, Jack's gonna be like, okay, so let's start censoring everybody again.
seamus coughlin
Here's the thing.
We need to censor everyone on Twitter all the time.
I'm not being censored.
ian crossland
You gotta do that with Jack.
jack posobiec
I wasn't looking at you when you started that and I thought that was Jack.
seamus coughlin
He was actually sitting in the other chair the whole time and we just didn't notice.
jack posobiec
How did I miss the nose ring?
tim pool
I've asked Jack to come on a couple times.
He always has like yes at some point.
He's busy.
I'd love to actually have him talk about these things.
The issue is, the first time he went on Joe Rogan, Joe had a huge backlash.
He got all these thumbs down because Jack was just saying garbage nonsense.
And then they didn't actually get to the core of the issues.
Then when I go on with Jack, Vijaya and Joe, They did not expect to get these questions that I had for them because they probably assumed it was going to be like some right-wing dude just being like, why'd you ban Milo?
And instead we had like philosophical questions about, you know, the ethics of the rules and the worldviews and things like this.
All of the things they said, they're just spinning.
They're spinning a tail.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think he's because he's on the board.
He has like a, he can't disparage the company.
So he can't really say.
tim pool
A fiduciary duty.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
seamus coughlin
Well, we were talking about this earlier in the show, but he likes being a billionaire.
It goes into what, Tim, you were saying a second ago, which is that as soon as somebody on the left who has been our enemy for virtually their entire time in public life says something remotely sensible, we go, yes, this person is speaking truth.
unidentified
We love them.
seamus coughlin
And look, when someone says something that's true, we should absolutely celebrate the fact that they've, they've said something true, but you can't just start looking up to these people as heroes.
They've really got to earn it by showing results.
unidentified
Unfortunately, he hasn't.
ian crossland
He said, I think at one point that he realizes now that he was part of the problem of creating big tech.
He was like, you know, he really wanted a free speech network and he did it, but he didn't, you know, he made some pitfalls.
Like with Chris Pavlovsky out there, like what pitfalls to avoid?
He went public.
That's a pitfall.
Be careful.
He made his code private.
Be careful.
That's a pitfall because then people can control it when you're no longer there and you don't have access to it anymore.
So he's made those mistakes.
And I think the great thing about Jack is he's like been through the gauntlet and that'd be why he's a great interviewer.
jack posobiec
Well, this is the, this is the theory that he's, you know, this is like Dr. Frankenstein and Frankenstein's monster, right?
You know, I want to create life.
I want to help people, but instead I create this thing that ends up causing more harm than good.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
No, I'm, I am not saying anything about Dorsey, what he's done, whether he is, uh, you know, I, I just want to make assumptions in good faith and say, he does mean what he's saying, unless it's proven otherwise, but conservatives can't jump on the, he's great horse, right.
unidentified
Without seeing some actual results.
jack posobiec
I'll throw this out there.
You know, I love Twitter, right?
I'm coming up on it'll be 10 years that I've been on Twitter next month.
And it is it is clearly the the simplest, most efficient mass communication system that's ever been invented in the history of mankind.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
And Jack Dorsey was part of that.
So, like, everything else, I'll start, I'll always start with that.
unidentified
He's made me realize I've been on Twitter for, I think, 13 years.
tim pool
Yeah.
13 years!
jack posobiec
Like, I just wanted to go back to the way it was without all this extra stuff.
That's it.
That's literally it.
tim pool
When it was the free speech.
ian crossland
Well, it seemed nice, but it was still proprietary.
They were still spying on you.
It always seems nice in the beginning and then they start- Yeah, but you, but Alex Jones was there and he was funny.
jack posobiec
Well, Jones never actually posted himself.
That was always staff.
tim pool
But I just mean, like, his videos were there.
jack posobiec
His videos were there, yeah.
And if you didn't like it, you could unfollow it.
tim pool
Yeah, you would block him.
Or mute.
It's become so boring.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
It's so sterile.
You guys want to know the truth?
You want to know what all that Twitter really is to me?
Is I follow news organizations, journalists, and personalities.
And so I'll see like Reuters tweet something.
And then when I retweet a news story, this is usually in the past month or so, it's just like reminding myself of the story.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
So I can go back and look for it later.
I don't care to interact for the most part.
I will sometimes.
Or I'll just post garbled nonsense because it's hilarious how triggered and riled up everybody gets.
I tweeted, schools should have religious studies because, you know, great schools because kids have questions and teachers should give answers and the teacher should tell the students to keep it a secret from their parents.
Like, I just like posting things like that.
jack posobiec
So the importance, though, of Twitter is because it serves as a narrative bottleneck, particularly for the West.
You can see this most predominantly right now with the war in Ukraine, that the opinion makers and the opinion making, it all starts on Twitter.
So then that filters down to whether it be CNN.
M plus rather be Netflix. There's been examples of TV shows that were saved just because they had great, you
know, Twitter followings. And from a geopolitical geostrategic standpoint, we've seen that so much of this
comes off of Twitter. Meanwhile, you know, to use Ukraine as an
example, because so much stuff gets censored. If you're on telegram, it's like you're watching a completely different
narrative, because it's unfiltered on there.
Now obviously, sure, there's gonna be bad actors on both sides, but Telegram is uncensored and it's very heavily focused on that, whereas Twitter is heavily censored, or Twitter is heavily censored, and you're getting a completely different narrative there.
tim pool
Let's jump back to Netflix.
We have this story from CNBC.
Netflix shares crater 25% after company reports it lost subscribers for the first time in more than 10 years.
unidentified
Get woke, go broke.
tim pool
That's it.
Netflix.
I mean, they've done some things that are good, but I think the narrative, the machine, it's fumbling, it's bumbling, it's falling apart.
Regular people are tuning into shows like this.
The media landscape is heavily diversifying.
People are sick and tired of the machine.
They want something real and authentic.
seamus coughlin
Isn't it interesting how poorly tech companies seem to be aging over the past 10 or 20 years?
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
I mean, everyone says, I loved Netflix when it first started, now it's absolutely awful.
Same with Facebook, same with Twitter, basically every social media company.
ian crossland
It's because the CIA, this is my guess, is that intelligence agencies are webbed in with these things and making them do stuff and give information away and spying.
And when the codes aren't, the algorithms aren't free, copy left licenses like AGPL-3, you have no way of verifying that.
I'm getting a message that we may have to switch over to a different network.
I don't know if that matters.
unidentified
to i don't know if that matters
tim pool
but uh... we will try so the the the issue is that our internet is working
The stream is going up, but YouTube is not putting the show out.
seamus coughlin
Guys, we're just going to have to talk and chat then.
ian crossland
This was it.
It was the breaking point.
I was like, Vanguard, State Street, BlackRock.
They were like, they just used to.
tim pool
We have no other networks available.
Can you, can they, are they doing it?
unidentified
Yeah, they're working on it right now.
Of course.
jack posobiec
Wait, I've got it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's frozen on.
It's going to freeze on me.
jack posobiec
Oh wait, yeah, nevermind.
unidentified
Yeah, there's a delay.
seamus coughlin
Yep, freezes on Ian making the okay sign.
ian crossland
That's what it was.
seamus coughlin
Exposing is freezing.
ian crossland
The next moment I touch my finger to my thumb.
seamus coughlin
They're like, look at this.
ian crossland
You know, honestly, I thought this is it.
I think it was inevitable.
Oh, we're back on.
tim pool
Oh, the stream is back.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
tim pool
Did they switch the network?
jack posobiec
No, that's that's live because that's me holding the phone right now.
ian crossland
I believe we're back.
Give us a one in chat if you can hear us.
jack posobiec
This is weird because I'm watching.
seamus coughlin
We are back.
jack posobiec
I'm actually watching.
Wait, infinity, infinity, infinity.
ian crossland
Conspiracy theorists.
Hey, everybody.
Sorry about that blip.
tim pool
But how many frames did it drop?
lydia smith
I'm not sure.
ian crossland
It looks like we were down for a few minutes, but your chat was still rolling.
jack posobiec
When I was talking about DuckTales in the old episode about a certain red and blue flag with an X that was carried by a gray uniformed army.
tim pool
Don't say naughty words.
jack posobiec
I know.
tim pool
Let me just say for everybody who's listening, smash the like button.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Subscribe to TimCast.com.
The full version and the weird minute or so, I think it was like two minutes that dropped off, will be in the podcast version.
But our internet didn't go out.
Our internet didn't go out.
I don't know if you guys saw me post in the chat.
Everything was working, but on YouTube's end, something was not going through.
Now, this has happened in the past where we've been talking about something related to China, and we've had weird YouTube drop us off.
ian crossland
We are, hey, the age of cyber war is upon us.
You never know who's got effective, you know, fingers in the pot.
tim pool
If you can hear me smash the like button, everyone, it's the only way we'll know.
lydia smith
Let us know.
unidentified
We need to know.
tim pool
Is anybody out there?
jack posobiec
Just to finish the story for my own autistic purposes, that episode of DuckTales on Disney Plus was removed.
tim pool
Which one was it again?
ian crossland
The Confederacy.
jack posobiec
Red Army, Red Flag, Gray Army.
tim pool
We were in Tennessee and it was funny, we were at a gas station and there was like, the gas stations sell the Confederate flags and they call it the Rebel flag.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
And there's like, it's just like funny seeing like a little girl holding it up smiling, like on the bag.
Just because of the way the left frames it and the way they freak out.
But like when you go to Tennessee or these other states, it's like totally normal and not even that big of a deal to anybody there.
lydia smith
Yeah, we saw one flying on a hill on the way back from Tennessee.
I was like, what is happening?
That's wild.
ian crossland
I want to take a moment to really appreciate the technology that we have right now.
This amazing streaming technology, cameras, microphones, the ability to communicate across the world in the blink of an eye with someone from their home.
Because like you can see, just because we have it now doesn't mean we're always going to or that we always may.
Take advantage of it while you have it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, don't take it for granted.
ian crossland
That's for sure.
seamus coughlin
Agreed.
ian crossland
We can unify a lot of people.
I was thinking about Hitler and how he was obsessed with unification.
So we've got to unify correctly.
And I think the Why the Founding Fathers had it right because it was a group of them doing it together.
It wasn't one person.
tim pool
I just noticed that we've got a ton of people smashing the like button.
So I should do a better job.
I can't tell if you can hear me.
Become a member at TimCast.com if you can hear me.
unidentified
It's the only way we'll know.
tim pool
I'm like, people actually did smash the like button.
Thank you so much.
Sorry, what were you saying?
ian crossland
Oh, just that we're right on the verge of doing something really great for society if we work together.
I think it's easy to grow a cult group of people like as a YouTuber for yourself, but you got to remember the dictatorship type thing doesn't work.
If we're going to use this technology for good, we got to do it together.
jack posobiec
Speaking of cult YouTubers, did we play the...
tim pool
Which one?
jack posobiec
Mr. No Advertisers.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
This is nuts.
So good.
jack posobiec
So sad.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
Just awful.
ian crossland
We'll base our freedom around a constitution, not around people.
lydia smith
Yes, of course.
jack posobiec
The United States is not a democracy, it is a constitutional republic.
tim pool
So, ladies and gentlemen, it is with the utmost remorse and respect that we mention Ethan Klein of the H3 Podcast announced—is this a clip from today?
jack posobiec
I believe so.
tim pool
In a clip that was posted today, he has no sponsors.
Because he is an existential threat to gay people.
ian crossland
In his own words, I believe.
tim pool
In his own words.
I would like to play for you this clip from the H3TV video.
Here we go.
unidentified
I'll just say this.
tim pool
Let me fix the audio.
unidentified
I'm very thankful to our members.
It makes this show kind of bulletproof.
Sorry, Gary Stans.
tim pool
Here we go.
unidentified
Today we have no sponsors because Uh, I am an existential threat to, uh, gay rights.
And all progress.
So, of course, our wonderful, uh, fans have taken it upon themselves to write all of our sponsors.
And, um, to have them, uh, can't, uh, not sponsor or not to, uh, support us.
So, we are, um, I'm very, you know, I'll just say this.
I'm very thankful to our members.
It makes this show kind of bulletproof to stuff like this, even though it's painful.
Emotionally, it's just painful that people would do that.
tim pool
Okay, I want to say a few things.
First, Ethan is correct about members.
And that's why we... I wish we set up the website years ago, but you learn when you learn.
And had I known what I know now, I would have been like, that should have been the first thing we did.
Because once they started... I mean, censorship was a big problem for a while.
We had videos taken down.
That's why we dedicated this.
I will say that, you know, Ethan mentions in the clip, You expect more from the sponsors, and he's right.
He's right about that too.
You do.
You do.
But I will also add, I genuinely do feel bad for Ethan.
I think he doesn't understand what he's involved in.
I think he doesn't know what the world's become.
I think he's genuinely been lost this whole time.
So let's go back in time to January when Ethan Klein deleted episodes he had with Jordan Peterson.
He clearly did this because he was panicking about getting cancelled.
He doesn't want his business to fall apart, so he's just like, okay, fine, dude, I'll do whatever I have to.
Ethan, you should have just stood by your principles, which is edgy comedy, free speech, and having conversations with people.
We have never had one of our show sponsors cancel on us, pull out on us.
In fact, the first sponsor that I had ever had on YouTube, Virtual Shield, sponsors us to this day.
No issues, despite all the controversies, the lies, the smears, the manipulation.
And I will stand by what we believe in and what we say, and I'm not gonna play these stupid games.
Ethan started playing the games, getting scared, panicking.
He chose to get into business with these companies, and now he is sitting there saying, it sucks, I have no sponsor.
Well, look man, you gotta stand up for yourself.
You can't let these people push you around.
You should not have taken down the Jordan Peterson episode.
Because you look duplicitous, you look like you're lying, and you look desperate.
And so I hope it works out, but hey man, I can only say, if you want to get in bed with people who will push you off that metaphorical Cliff, at any moment, well, then I can only say, like, you should have prepared for this.
You should have expected it.
You knew it was going to happen.
Imagine this.
Imagine if Ethan Klein, instead of deleting the Jordan Peterson episode, came out and said, they're telling me if I don't delete this episode, they're going to pull my sponsors.
Pull them.
I will not take down the conversation now with Dr. Peterson.
Imagine how much he'd be supported.
ian crossland
Oh, you get 100,000 more followers that subscribe to his network.
unidentified
All I can say is I hate to say I told you so, Ian.
If you had just embodied the archetypal hero- Oh my goodness, I've been sitting across from this fella for too long.
seamus coughlin
Apologize for that error.
I hate to say I told you so, Ethan.
If he- Here's what he did.
He said to the people who try to threaten you by having your sponsors taken, that he will comply.
He said, yes, if you are somebody who is sponsoring my work, I will dilute my message and walk back things I've said in the past once you've told me not to.
You're inviting control at that point.
And also, I want to point out that when you cultivate a fan base full of people who would cancel someone, guess what happens to you eventually?
You get canceled.
It's not that complicated.
tim pool
I feel like this is a guy who got started doing edgy comedy on Reddit and YouTube.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Things like that.
And then as times went on, he thought, I just better say what they're saying.
The problem is, once again, this is not mainstream America.
He is bending the knee to weirdos.
Jordan Peterson is popular among regular people.
The people who don't like him are the fringe weirdos.
Regular people do like him.
So when you say, I'm going to take it down because he's a bad guy, you got tricked.
Ethan Klein got tricked.
And now, what's he going to do?
You know, I'm seeing everyone on the right mock him and they're laughing about it.
Jordan Peterson told him that eventually he'd be held to a standard.
By the very mob he currently wishes to please, then you will make a mistake and they will devour you with glee.
Please take this warning seriously.
I liked you.
Ethan should not have sided with those seeking to destroy.
He should have sided with those seeking to protect and to develop.
Because if he came out and said, I liked talking to Dr. Peterson on more than one occasion.
I may not agree with everything he has to say, but we have to defend our right to say these things.
Then they'd be like, we're going to harass your sponsors.
And he'd be like, okay.
And then people on the right would be like, we got sponsors for you, buddy.
Don't worry.
We appreciate you standing by your principles and doing your thing.
But too, too much.
Ethan has been drifting into just saying whatever the left wants.
And, and look at what happens.
You know, he did that thing with Hassan.
You want to live with people?
Like you want to work with people who will destroy you in two seconds?
By all means, you go ahead and do it.
But I don't know what I can do for you when your life is destroyed by these very people.
ian crossland
We can supply technology that you can use, Ethan, in the future for direct subscription content so you can bypass like Patreon and crap like that.
Take control of your network.
We'll do it.
We'll work together, man.
I like you.
jack posobiec
I am real quick on the issue with our stream.
Every message I'm getting in is people saying that the minute it stopped was right when Ian started talking about Intel Collection via social media.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's hard to tell.
I said even it was like the CIA, but there's no way to know.
jack posobiec
You definitely said CIA.
ian crossland
Yeah, I said CIA, and then people were like, CIA, shut him down!
jack posobiec
Yeah, and then Intelligence Network immediately stopped.
ian crossland
And someone, I think, may have pointed out foreign networks as well, because when I'm talking intelligence agencies, it doesn't have to be an American one.
jack posobiec
Wait, you just said it again.
tim pool
Okay, but, but, but, and he should.
seamus coughlin
Show's gonna freeze.
tim pool
But to be fair, You know, Ethan Klein, he gets cancelled by the left and loses sponsors.
We call out the CIA and then our stream just freezes in midstream.
So, you know, you gotta choose.
ian crossland
I'm working with the American government.
We are the good guys.
I'm even down with secret agencies, man.
jack posobiec
The world is harsh.
Look, what you need to do is, obviously, because he's now a free agent, apparently, Because Malcolm Nance is no longer working for MSNBC.
You need to sign him up as a special foreign correspondent for Timcast.
For Timcast IRL.
Would you sign Malcolm Nance?
ian crossland
No.
jack posobiec
But why?
tim pool
Because he's a bad person.
ian crossland
Did he actually go to war?
Is that what happened?
tim pool
He was an intelligence officer.
jack posobiec
No, he's not an intelligence officer.
tim pool
He was never a naval intelligence officer?
jack posobiec
Never a naval intelligence officer.
tim pool
Wikipedia says he was.
jack posobiec
He was a Navy chief, which is not an officer, and he was a linguist.
That is not the same thing.
tim pool
Wikipedia was wrong.
Oh my gosh, no.
He's got a picture of himself like he's in Ukraine with tactical gear.
jack posobiec
You saw the video, right?
tim pool
Yeah, where he's looking at his watch and he's like, the missiles!
They're coming!
jack posobiec
It's Southwest!
unidentified
Stand by!
Stand by!
tim pool
And he's like, he's like when my dad... Everyone else is just sitting there like, dude, what are you doing?
jack posobiec
Everyone's like walking around the background.
My dad, you know, when we were little, he used to, you know, you know, when you hear the lightning and thunder and you can, you know, count how many seconds between the flash, it's like 1, 1,000, 2, 1,000.
And then, but Nance is doing that for missiles.
They're flying over.
That's a cruise anti-ship missile.
It's coming from a ship!
Towards us now, and everyone's like, okay dude, you're fine.
Yeah, we know.
We're aware.
ian crossland
I want to talk to you guys about Twisting Universe.
jack posobiec
You down to go on that?
tim pool
Maybe in a little bit.
ian crossland
Five minutes.
unidentified
We should talk about... Ethan having him on the show?
tim pool
Well, Ethan's welcome on the show, but I don't think he'd do it because...
They never want to.
Actually, there's a lefty guy who's tweeting at me.
He's DMing me right now, like, why aren't I on the show?
Here's the issue with the left, as we often bring this up.
Prominent left personalities always have an excuse as to why they won't come and do a show.
It's always Ben Shapiro yelling, debate me!
Or at least the meme, right?
But when it comes to the left, they're like, I'm not going on your show!
Or they'll publicly be like, I'll go on a show!
I can do it!
jack posobiec
I saw your whole thing with Hasan the other day.
tim pool
Yeah, because he said he would come out and come on the show, but then he DM'd me and he was like, hey bro, COVID, I'm pretty scared of COVID, so I don't want to do it.
And I said, I get it, man.
jack posobiec
That was the first time.
tim pool
That was the first time.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
And then this time, he got mad because Hasan tweeted a joke.
David Pakman said, do you know anybody who's pro-abortion?
Hasan then said, me, I'm trying to do this.
David Pakman said, that sounds weird.
Someone said, what's wrong with more abortions?
I screen grabbed that and posted it with no comment.
I thought it was funny.
I thought the whole interaction was funny.
No comment.
And Hasan responds with, it's a joke, man.
Do you need me to put slash S?
And I'm like, I didn't say it wasn't a joke.
I literally just reposted what you did.
So then he made a tweet about how, you know, me and Dave Rubin or whatever.
And then he, I was like, we claim to claim to be progressives or true progressives.
And, or, or, or like we're people who are rallying people who claim to be true progressives.
And I was like, I've never said I was a progressive.
I am not a progressive.
I am a centrist moderate.
And he's like, you're literally doing what I'm making fun of you for.
And I'm like, dude, I was like, that's not an argument.
You're welcome to come on the show and give a conversation.
And then all of a sudden, I'm not coming on your show.
I won't do it.
And then I was like, oh, here we go.
Here we go.
You know, so we got a guy who wants to come on the show.
jack posobiec
Right, he was saying because you're another part of the country and the travel and cut into my Twitch streaming.
tim pool
But, you know, he agreed to do it before and COVID was the reason.
And now it's, oh, I'm too busy.
And I'm like, dude, I can respect if you're busy.
It's hard for me to travel to go to other people's shows.
I still bought a trailer.
We drove down to Nashville and I went on a bunch of, I went on Candace's show on the Daily Wire.
I went on their sports show and I went on Backstage Live.
I will make that happen.
And so I was like, dude, I'll get the trailer.
We'll bring it to LA.
It'll be really difficult.
But we'll figure that out.
Spend a week in LA, maybe.
I don't really want to.
jack posobiec
How was the drive to Nashville, by the way?
tim pool
Oh, it was fun.
jack posobiec
Was it good?
tim pool
It was cool.
jack posobiec
That looks like it'd be nice, yeah.
ian crossland
We listened to A Hook by Blues Traveler a few times.
tim pool
That song is amazing.
Yeah, and Judy by Purple Circle.
Good guitar.
Amazing guitar.
jack posobiec
Love Purple Circle.
tim pool
And one of the best songs I've heard in a while by Nickelback, The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
And I am being completely serious.
I cannot believe that was actually Nickelback.
jack posobiec
He actually put it on before the episode, and it was... And I... I'm saying this live.
tim pool
It's good.
ian crossland
Nickelback's good, you can say.
jack posobiec
It's a good Nickelback song.
But it's not a Nickelback song.
But it's not a Nickelback song.
So Nickelback does a good version of another song.
tim pool
Here's the other issue.
We've got somebody on the left.
The people who want to come on the show that are on the left have no followers.
They're not particularly prominent individuals.
I get messages from people who are like, I'd love to come on the show.
And I'm like, dude, I'm not saying you shouldn't come on the show just because you have no followers, because that's not the prerequisite for being on the show, but it's the body of work.
And typically there's a correlation between someone who's not particularly prominent and a limited body of work for which we can actually comment on.
And then what happens is you bring on someone who is A limited body of work and a low following count.
And when you end up destroying them in a debate, the left then says, the only thing you could do is bring on this guy who's like not even that good because he couldn't get a real debate.
And it's just like, I got no problem.
We'll have, we'll have, we we've got a few people come on.
You've had people come on that only have a few thousand followers because followers is not the reason.
We've had people come on with no, with no social media and things like that.
I'm just referring to body of work.
jack posobiec
And you let Ian come on.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Thanks, by the way.
unidentified
Oh, right, of course.
seamus coughlin
Actually, Ian's got a bunch of followers.
The first time I was ever invited, I really had to have a long debate with myself about whether I wanted to platform Tim.
I was like, am I promoting this?
jack posobiec
I know, right?
ian crossland
I got a feeling that a lot of people are afraid that if they come talk to you, that you'll bring up, like, information and over, like, just destroy them with, like, not destroy, but take them to town with information and facts, and then they'll feel like an idiot and look humiliated when, in fact, they can just come hang out and just, like, learn.
tim pool
But the problem is, like, do you guys remember when Hunter Avalon was on this show?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
He tried challenging me on the Ukraine story with Biden.
jack posobiec
And I'm like, I was like, wow, you're really going to- Was this when he was trying, so he, cause he like got big as, as like a conservative.
And then he tried to like veer really hard to the left.
tim pool
And so this was after he was already now like- Oh, right, right, right.
But he was like, I mentioned the Joe Biden, you know, well, SOB guy got fired.
He's like, that didn't happen.
And I was like, yeah, he's like, no, I didn't.
And I'm like, here's the video.
And then I'm like, bro, don't come here having done no research, but acting like you know these stories.
I've dug in and done so much journalism on this stuff.
The problem is with people like him and is that he sees memes and thinks Tim Pool has no idea what he's talking about and just repeats right-wing talking points.
When literally all day this morning, I was digging into the Washington Post story, looking at public records and doing legit hours of like real research and journalism.
I make phone calls.
I do the work.
It is rough.
Mayo Gate, I love this story, actually called the restaurant.
I call for comment.
We do this all the time.
I reached out to Taylor Renz for comment.
I reached out to the Washington Post for comment.
Our newsroom did this stuff.
We do the research.
These people see these memes and these meme clips, and they're like, the right silly talking points.
Dude shows up here and says, Joe Biden never said that.
I was like, are you kidding, bro?
Did you even Google it?
Here's the video, and I played it, and he's like, oh, that really happened.
And then I'm like, let's talk about Mykola Zachevsky.
Let's talk about the formation of Burisma.
Let's talk about the former CIA guy who's working on there.
Let's talk about Gazprom.
Dude, you do not want to get involved with me.
I was in Ukraine.
I went there.
I watched those protests happen.
I'm not going to pretend to be the expert of all experts on this stuff.
But man, for these people living on the internet, doing no research, then they finally come here and it is like getting slammed by a tidal wave where it's like, oh, wow.
Boy, do they look bad.
And the problem is, for many of these people, is they want to maintain this facade of, I'm on the left.
Well, what happens when they come and sit down with Steve Bannon, and Steve Bannon goes, tax the rich.
And they go, I agree, Steve Bannon.
And then everyone on the left is like, they're agreeing with Steve Bannon.
There you go.
That's one of the big problems I know the left does not like.
You know who I think is good?
Destiny.
Or was it Stephen Bonnell III?
Because that guy has no problem telling it exactly how he thinks.
jack posobiec
He and I got into it once though.
tim pool
And that's fine.
jack posobiec
But it was because he accused me of not of lying about being in the military and lying about being in the IC and I did not take that well.
tim pool
When he came on the show, he has no problem.
jack posobiec
And it didn't go well for him.
tim pool
He knows the stories.
He knows what he thinks about them.
We just disagree.
And I'm like, I can respect that.
But there are many people where they think they're going to come on this show and they're going to be like, you think this about race.
And I'm like, no, I agree with you on systemic racism.
And they're like, you do?
And I'm like, yeah, do you watch this show?
And they're like, no.
But I saw memes once, so this is one of the reasons I think they really do not want to come on the show.
Hasan will come on the show.
You know what the last thing I said about Hasan before that tweet thread was?
That he was right.
There was a story that came out, I can't remember exactly what it was, it was months ago, and I was like, he was Julian Assange, I think.
I defended him because people were ragging on him about Julian Assange, and I was like, Hasan did not, like, was making a joke about Assange.
She did not literally say this, and I'm like, it's silly, we don't need to go after him, blah, blah, blah, blah, just because, And then the dude gets mad at me because he doesn't actually watch the show.
If Hassan came on this show, he'd be like, what about this?
And I'd be like, I agree.
And Ian would be like, I agree.
And Shams would be like, yeah, actually, I agree with the details of that.
I may disagree on policy.
And then what's he going to say?
What's he going to argue about?
All of a sudden, the narrative is going to be Hassan goes on Timcast and agrees with everything they're saying.
He must be far right.
ian crossland
Yeah, just talk about your past, man.
Let's learn about where it got you to video streaming and into it.
You used to work for the Young Turks.
Like, what's your relationship with Cenk when you guys were young?
You know, that kind of stuff.
Let's just show humans that we can interoperate and still have different views.
tim pool
I tweeted at him.
He was like, why can't I go on Zoom?
And I was like, we don't do Zoom.
Internet makes us hate each other.
It's better to sit down, shake hands, and talk about it.
And that's why we do it the way we do.
Andy Ngo hit me up and he's like, can I do your show remote?
And I said, sorry, dude, can't do it.
Then he came here.
Lauren Southern, can I come on your show remote?
I said, we don't do remote.
unidentified
You said you can't even do it in person, Lauren.
We don't want to see you around here.
tim pool
Yeah.
And well, uh, even for Andy Ngo and Lauren Southern.
ian crossland
What about Snowden?
tim pool
I don't want to do it.
I really do not want to do it.
I remember watching Joe Rogan's episodes where he did Zoom and I was like, not fun.
ian crossland
His Snowden episode has 30 million views just because it's Snowden.
tim pool
He's in lockdown somewhere.
I don't do this for 30 million views.
I want to sit down with people and talk.
jack posobiec
So would you go to Russia to interview Snowden?
The problem is... Assuming, you know, travel was fine and all.
tim pool
Oh, two seconds.
Yeah.
The real issue is that I can't run a business while flying to Russia, you know what I mean?
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
We're trying to get to that point.
jack posobiec
We know exactly what you mean.
seamus coughlin
Why are you scared of debating Snowden?
jack posobiec
So you won't debate Snowden then?
You're terrified?
tim pool
I would love to debate Snowden and say that you published documents without going through them and redacting critical information, and that was a serious intelligence risk.
I don't view Edward Snowden as a whistleblower, I view him as a leaker, because he did not actually review the documents that he was giving away.
And he's admitted to that.
I can respect that he admitted to it.
I think the distinction is important.
He did expose a bunch of really important things.
That's fantastic.
But I think terminology is important in understanding what someone did.
Someone who sees malfeasance and says, hey, you guys gotta know about this whistleblower.
Someone who says, I see bad stuff.
I'm gonna take all of it and just give it to journalists.
I'm like, leaker.
Different thing.
You know, he did blow the whistle technically.
jack posobiec
What about Manning then?
tim pool
Manning was a whistleblower, a collateral murder.
ian crossland
That was incredible, by the way.
tim pool
But didn't Manning still grab a bunch of documents?
jack posobiec
There were a bunch of documents, yes.
tim pool
It depends.
I don't know exactly.
I'd have to research the Manning stuff.
The issue with Snowden was that Snowden has admitted to being like, I didn't read this.
And it's like, okay, well, then you're just leaking stuff that you don't actually know what you're putting out there.
And I think it was actually, it might've been John Oliver, who was like, in the documents you released, there was unredacted critical information that put people at risk.
And he was like, I didn't check.
Or no, he was like, uh, it was published by the journalists.
They failed to redact.
And he was like, I didn't, I didn't know.
And he's like, shouldn't you have to like, isn't that your responsibility?
And so I was like, yeah, that is, I guess.
So I can respect that, you know, but, uh, we got a few minutes.
Ian wanted to mention that the universe is twisting out of control.
ian crossland
Yeah, well, it's definitely interesting.
Under control, apparently.
There's this theory that the universe is expanding, and a big part of that is because when they look far, far out into the universe, beyond the galaxy, they see what's called a redshift.
It looks like the stuff that's further away, that the wavelengths of light are getting longer.
So I started to think about wavelength, and I brought this little prop.
And I'm sorry, if you're not watching the video, you're gonna have to get a hold of one of the videos so you can watch this part and get an idea, but maybe you can imagine along with me.
Look at this, look at this wavelength.
Now, imagine it's on a flat plane.
It's gonna look like a very short wavelength, like, da-na-na-na-na.
It's very short.
If this wavelength turns sideways, the wavelength itself becomes longer.
It's the same wave, you're just looking at it from a different angle.
So, it will attempt, it will begin to appear red as it's turning.
And then I started thinking of the Taurus and how maybe we're on like a donut, like on the Taurus, twisting around itself, seeing the outside of the universe from a different angle.
So we see the light reflecting.
And then I started thinking about the singularity at the center of every black hole and every Taurus, toroidal black hole, perhaps, and the Big Bang.
And I think what's happening is as we're twisting around, once we twist back through the center, we have what we consider the Big Crunch.
And then when we come out the other side of the center, it expands open into what we might think is the Big Bang.
I tweeted about it.
You can follow along.
tim pool
Ian posted this image of the donut universe.
So Ian believes the universe is both hollow and flat.
ian crossland
I'm not saying that the universe is not expanding.
It might still be expanding.
It's just the main piece of evidence for the expansion is the redshift.
And if this also explains the redshift, then...
Um, then you could argue that you may want to remove that evidence as part of the expansion theory.
tim pool
Ian is effectively arguing for solid-state theory, just a little different version of it.
Solid-state theory was like before the Big Bang.
ian crossland
They believed the universe just was, and it was like, you know... Yeah, and then that this would be a black hole that we're inside of, that's inside of another universe that's also a black hole, which is ever fractally...
jack posobiec
I believe Hawking had a theory as well about multiple Big Bangs, which kind of lines up with what you're saying.
Like it just keeps happening over and over.
tim pool
How does that explain the Big Bang?
ian crossland
Well, that once you're twisting around back and through the center, you experience the singularity or the big crunch where everything comes together for a moment and then expands back out again.
Oh, I see.
jack posobiec
So it folds in on itself.
tim pool
If you're in the inside and then coming out the other side, it looks like it's exploding, like blasting out.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
So actually I would, I would say your twisting universe theory is you have a three dimensional representation of a twisting universe, but perhaps it's actually a multi, it's beyond three dimensions.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
Yeah, the universe is... Yeah, this is a three-dimensional way to look at it.
tim pool
But I think, Ian, you should read about M-theory and string theory.
ian crossland
Yeah, Eric Weinstein particularly has a geometrical unity theory, and he talks a lot about that the universe is also a torus.
And Nassim Harriman talks about the universe in the Schwarzschild proton paper, how it's equal density, which made no sense because it was expanding.
So with this theory, this could explain why there's equal density in the universe, too.
tim pool
I've read a little bit about M-theory a while ago, and it looks like this is a rudimentary concept.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, like, if you actually read M-theory, you'd be like, oh, this is a few steps before where we're actually at.
ian crossland
One thing I keep finding with science is that there's so many ways to explain something.
You can explain it two-dimensionally, three-dimensionally, four-dimensionally, five-dimensionally, and they're all right.
They're all different ways.
Like, the electric universe is real, gravity is real, but they're just different ways of looking at the force.
jack posobiec
What's amazing to me is that so, and Seamus, you probably know about this too, so Isaac Newton, right?
And we credit him and I was on The War Room, we talked about this a little bit on the Easter special, that Newton was, you know, he's basically credited for obviously being one of the smartest guys that ever lived, you know, arguably, you know, developed calculus, at least independently, you know, master of Cambridge for years and years.
But he didn't even consider himself a mathematician.
He thought that was just like a side gig.
And what he really focused on was theology, the Bible, secrets of the universe.
They call it alchemy and occult thinking.
But what he really was interested in was this idea of codes in the Bible, codes in the pyramids, millions and millions of words that he wrote about this after he left Cambridge that people just totally dismissed.
ian crossland
When you were talking about Jesus dying and then going through hell before he ascended to heaven, it made me think of the Taurus and going through the center of the singularity experiencing hell to be rebirthed.
jack posobiec
We were talking about that a little bit prior to that.
ian crossland
Maybe we can do that in the after show.
Talk more about that.
jack posobiec
We can do that if you want, but that's the theory, the layers of hell.
ian crossland
Tim, you brought up a cool graphic.
So what's this?
tim pool
String theory.
ian crossland
Tell me about it.
tim pool
It's string theory.
ian crossland
I'm not a physicist.
M-theory also?
tim pool
I think M-Theory is an advanced version of it, but I'm not a physicist.
I read one book a long time ago, but the general idea is the universe is like a series of membranes that are folding.
ian crossland
So it could be a bunch of toruses all like, you know, like this thing behind me.
Where is it?
Over here.
It's like a bunch of toruses all layered on top of each other, like maybe 64 of them.
And then you get a shape like that.
Could be something.
Perhaps.
I mean, that's like in motion, but we just took a snapshot of it.
tim pool
Or the earth is both hollow and flat.
Donut Earth Theory.
ian crossland
Tell me more.
tim pool
Well, you know, I was reading these people saying that the Earth was hollow, and I was like, interesting.
But then I saw these people saying the Earth was flat, and I'm like, why not both?
That's a more fun theory, in my opinion.
Donut Earth?
jack posobiec
What is inside the Donut Earth?
seamus coughlin
Jelly.
ian crossland
Boston cream.
No, I'm going to go with jelly.
jack posobiec
So it's full of Taylor Lorentz?
ian crossland
There are probably gigantic caverns underground, which may have huge rivers and oceans and like plant, like fungus that grows and glows like iridescent light and animals we've never seen before.
tim pool
What if it turned out that, like, the surface world is the North Korea of Earth, and that, you know, deep underground are advanced civilizations of humans, and then we're just living in this dictatorship where they don't let us go to the North Pole to go into the hole, into hollow Earth?
ian crossland
Oh, and they're controlling us through the elf band, the extremely low frequency, which is another interesting, the elf band of radiation, the extremely low frequency band, and Michael Malice talks about DMT and seeing elves.
You see this elf band of frequency that is apparently interconnecting the human consciousness.
Maybe they're affecting it from underground.
unidentified
Maybe!
ian crossland
That's kind of a joke.
tim pool
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Gerald Armstrong says, Tim, we need to spread the word and find out what happened to Gonzalo Lira.
What happened to Gonzalo Lira?
ian crossland
Well, from what I can tell, he was in Ukraine documenting the war.
The Daily Beast did an article about him and took a lot of stuff out of context from what I could see.
jack posobiec
He was a PUA guy at first, right?
ian crossland
What's a PUA?
jack posobiec
Pickup artist.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was a pickup artist, like a YouTuber.
jack posobiec
Like he's not even particularly political prior to this.
ian crossland
And either he said some wrong thing.
I mean, when your country's at war, if you start talking out against your country, I imagine they're going to use an enemy.
jack posobiec
No, I don't think he's Ukrainian though.
ian crossland
No, he's an American in Ukraine, but he was in Ukraine.
jack posobiec
I think he's born in Chile, actually.
So Chilean, but has American citizenship, but somehow ends up... I don't know the whole details there.
tim pool
Yeah, American-Chilean.
jack posobiec
But he was in, I believe it was Kharkiv, in Ukraine, posting videos.
I saw one of his videos.
I didn't find anything threatening by his video or anything like that.
I mean, he was just posting basically his theories about some stuff that was going on in the media.
ian crossland
From the quotes I saw from Daily Beast, it made him look like a Putin apologist and that he thought Russia was in the right.
It was kind of framing it like that.
And then all of a sudden he disappeared.
Now no one knows where he is.
jack posobiec
Well, so he had a tweet up that went hyper viral and he said, if you want to know the truth about Ukraine, look up these, and I think it was like seven names of various figures and oligarchs throughout Ukraine.
And then he said something to the extent of, if you don't hear from me in 12 hours, you know, this will be the last, my last tweet or something.
And then, and then he actually disappeared after that.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
All right, well, let's read more.
We got Sorta, who says, Let's talk more chickens!
That's right, Chicken City is up and running and one of the most successful superchatted livestreams in the world.
No joke.
No joke.
Yeah, seriously, I think after we get a few months of Chicken City up and running, you'll see it appear in the top rankings.
But based on the current trend of averaging, I think we're averaging around like $1,200 a day.
One day we had like $1,500, one day we had like $1,900, then we had like $1,200.
So, people really do enjoy feeding chickens.
Shut up to Roberto.
Plus, the chicken parties.
ian crossland
The king of the chickens.
tim pool
Yeah, he's going to be retiring soon, though.
unidentified
Oh, right.
tim pool
Because Sarah had a son, so he's a Brahma, and he's going to be really big.
He's a big rooster.
And so, we want, you know, those big rooster genes.
We want to make the chickens all bigger.
So, we're going to be, you know, he's going to take over.
ian crossland
A new stud.
tim pool
Roberto Junior will be in charge for a while.
Roberto is going to go retire at the boys' dormitory.
And then, you know, we got some roosters coming in.
jack posobiec
Toxic masculinity.
It doesn't sound like a democracy at all.
tim pool
No, no.
In fact, when Dorothy was getting loved too much by Roberto, because this happens, they get a favorite.
It ruins their backs and rips their feathers out.
So we had to put her in sex jail.
And a lot of people were like, why are you putting the victim in jail?
And I was like, because it's just chicken society is different.
It's protective custody.
unidentified
the chickens, he does his thing. But if you take him out, then when they come back in,
Right.
tim pool
he'll fight with the other rooster. Because they're going to try and reset a pecking order.
So it's the, we have two roosters, we have a bunch of hens and it works because the younger
rooster knows his place. If you take one out and reintroduce them to adult mature roosters
are going to be like, I would like to, it's not going to be that bad people.
Like, they're not fighting roosters.
It's not gonna be, like, a rooster fight like people think happens.
They'll chase each other around a bit, and then they'll get into a fight and then stop, but we don't need to do that.
So, it's easier to just take out the one hen.
ian crossland
I tried getting a bib for her back to protect it, like armor, but he kept flipping the bib off, I guess?
tim pool
No, she would rip it off, she didn't like it.
unidentified
Oh, oh.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yep, yep.
So, but, uh, when Roberto retires, Roberto Jr.
will come in and it's not going to have that problem.
And then we're going to put an immature male who will view him as the boss.
And then once he grows up, he'll see him as the boss and we've got to worry about it.
So that's, you know, we'll be cycling them out.
jack posobiec
All right.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got, Balian says, Jack, curious if you talked with Kelly Shibaka of AK running to take Murkowski's seat and what your opinion of her is.
Also curious if you guys have tried getting her on your show.
jack posobiec
I haven't spoken to her directly, though I have seen her all over Bannon's War Room,
and she goes on quite frequently.
Alaska's an interesting state, right, to understand politically, because you'll have people who
like, they love smoking weed, but they also love guns, right?
So it's, it's sort of this like quasi, it's very, very earthy, right?
In that sense, right?
A lot of people who love, you know, very naturalist kind of society.
So it's, it's different, I think, than anything in the lower 48.
And that being said, Murkowski is very strong, going to be pulling out the stops.
Though I think Chewbacca has a real chance of actually beating her.
We're looking at Potentially looking at going back up to Alaska this year.
Do some filming up there.
Do some shooting.
Talk about some of the actual resources that we have in Alaska.
I mean, that's America's treasure chest in terms of natural resources.
You know, we talk about annexing or purchasing.
tim pool
Occupy Alaska.
jack posobiec
Right.
Occupy Alaska.
Invade Alaska.
Go in there.
Actually, and you hear Biden, by the way, He talks about, oh, we're going to start opening up federal leases again.
Well, it's not about, or Jen Psaki will come out and say, oh, well, we can't, we don't need to do drilling because we already have 9,000 leases out there.
Well, the issue isn't the leases.
The issue is the EPA and getting the environmental approvals to actually drill on the leases.
Cause we went all the way up with Daniel Turner and we went up to Prudhoe Bay and you can see the oil rigs.
And I didn't know this.
And you know, Whatever, you know, not an expert in oil rigs, but I didn't know that oil rigs were mobile on land.
So they have giant treads and you can actually drive it with a joystick like an actual gigantic Gundam.
And yeah, dead serious, right?
I'm like, why do you guys not lead with that, right?
And they're all just sitting around doing nothing.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
All right, let's read more.
We got a sea lion in orange says, my pillow was an amazing book to read.
Such a great book.
It left me speechless by Michael Knowles available in June 2022.
Michael Knowles turned selling his book into a meme and I respect it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
I do like the buy pillow though.
So there was a notepad in front of Jack.
I was like, I can take notes now.
And then he wrote buy pillow on it and put it behind.
ian crossland
I was like, do you have anything to publicize?
unidentified
Jack is like, I don't know.
jack posobiec
I just want you to buy the pillow.
I don't know why you didn't.
ian crossland
Where can they get that pillow by the way?
jack posobiec
Mypillow.com.
tim pool
Clef the Misfit says, Tim, your quote, only some people have souls theory has been keeping me up
at night. NPCs who can't think independently or see it or see the machine elves found
another symptom. They have no internal monologue. They'll tell you that. Is it the pineal gland?
Not all of them.
They've done surveys and they've asked people, do you have an internal monologue?
Do you like think and talk and like your mind?
And there are people who say no.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, some people don't.
Does that break down along?
Are there any statistics on how that breaks up based on political views or anything like that?
tim pool
I don't know.
No, no, no joke.
Can we hire like a polling firm to do that?
Yeah, that would be really, really interesting.
seamus coughlin
Everyone has souls.
Stop despairing.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I wondered if someone's in a lot of pain, if they can't feel it or something.
jack posobiec
I think everyone has souls.
ian crossland
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Not like, not like everyone has collected souls.
Like everyone has multiple souls in a jar or something, but everyone has a soul or everyone.
Yeah.
A body and soul.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
But you have to develop your soul.
You can also kill your soul, right?
You don't want to do that.
ian crossland
I would love to get into that maybe on the after show.
seamus coughlin
I have to think about that.
Is it?
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Is that how is that?
I'm trying to think if that's the theological way of describing it.
Well, yeah, you can you can.
Hmm.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, libs of TikTok is a major player in the political culture war.
Laws were written based on the videos she shared.
She'll only get bigger now.
Yeah, I don't know.
jack posobiec
I mean, I don't libs of TikTok should just be a public figure and Well, I think they did come out and Seth Dillon made the announcement that she is going to be getting hired with Babylon Bee.
tim pool
Oh, really?
jack posobiec
And that they did do a deal.
I had heard a little bit about this.
So he basically put out a tweet thread saying, we stand by her.
She will not be canceled her new job and alluded to the fact that Babylon Bee has done a deal with Libs of TikTok.
tim pool
Right on.
All right, the user known as Tim says, Tim, if doxing is solely a matter of free speech, then it won't be any issue if we counter-dox every single journalist who does this nonsense, right?
So I think doxing is wrong, but doxing is free speech.
You can go outside with a big poster board of someone's name and address and private information and picket it around.
It is protected speech.
That's why I said I don't think I think some censorship makes sense
And I think we can all agree that there are some things like doxxing is off-limits
The issue is doxxing is not a political opinion. It is a form of intimidation intimidation threat or stochastic
ian crossland
terrorism And as soon as you mix it with implying that someone's bad
and then you dox in the same article, that's political When you're talking about someone's values and making value claims on someone in public, that's a political move.
tim pool
Yeah, I think doxing... I have no problem with doxing not being on social media.
Doxing is not a personal opinion.
Doxing is not a political opinion.
Doxing is not speech in the sense that it is not political speech.
It is just posting the information on someone's webpages.
jack posobiec
Well, this is under the minimize harm theory.
tim pool
You know, and I will say too, I'm not an absolutist in this.
I'm willing to hear some counterpoints because allowing someone to determine when they can ban you based on doxxing could also restrict you from publishing newsworthy events that aren't doxxing but could be someone's address.
jack posobiec
As an example though, doxxing can also be revealing someone's name, not necessarily just their address.
So if you get these viral videos, not just lives of TikTok type videos, but let's say a video of a criminal act, And you have the ability to actually positively identify the person in one of these attacks.
We see, like, attacks on Asians or shooting or, you know, whatever it is.
If you can identify that person, that's not doxing.
tim pool
Therein lies, right, the big challenge.
I do disagree with publishing the name in these stories because it doesn't serve the story itself.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It's an attack.
I have no problem with if, you know, Taylor Lorenz wrote an opinion piece saying, here's my opinion of this person and I'm publishing their name specifically because I want you to know it.
jack posobiec
I'd be like, We should probably say this, but there actually is a story to be told about Libs of TikTok, but the story would be why did the account take off?
What was the content they were dealing with?
Why were laws written?
What was the impact of it?
But that wasn't the story.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
John, Kristen says, or is it?
Yes, Kristen.
Love Poso by far my favorite guest on IRL, despite him talking smack on my hometown Altoona and cargo shorts.
ian crossland
Altoona PA?
Shout out to Altoona.
tim pool
Yeah, that was fun, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Altoona was fun.
jack posobiec
That was a little ribbing.
That was a little ribbing, but not about cargo shorts.
Cargo shorts are absolutely unacceptable.
tim pool
Dalamar says, the question is simple.
Why did all of these old papers and media just become the National Enquirer over the last 10 years?
Has the internet just ravaged them that much?
jack posobiec
Yes.
tim pool
Waiting for the New York Times and WAPO article finding Hitler's skull.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, we're already at that level where it's like an activist gets hired and then blogs and they're like, national news, run with it.
ian crossland
It used to be there were three networks that were held very tightly as the gatekeepers, ABC, NBC, CBS.
And then when it splurged out into all these millions of people giving the news, now it's about who's the most entertaining, who's going to catch your eye with spectacle.
jack posobiec
Yeah, but that's actually more traditional.
So the centralization of news is only something that really came about with the advent of television.
Prior to that, every town had like three or four newspapers, a bunch of radio stations, and even, you know, if you go back even further, pamphlets.
Yellow journalism, the Spanish American War, 1898, is always talked about as one of these things of who could make the biggest splash, who could say, oh, the Spaniards are against us, they're blowing up the main in Havana Harbor, they're doing all this stuff, we got to go against them.
So the idea of viewpoint neutral journalism actually something that only arose really with the advent of television in the 1950s to early 1960s coincides of course with the Vietnam War, but that's not the traditional American view and really experience with media.
That's only something that arose because of that one limited, very limited interaction.
If you go back to today's of course, the anniversary of the Battle of Lexington and Concord, the shot heard around the world.
And if we remember, it was those localized pamphlets, independent printers, independent publishers, Thomas Paine, you know, printing stuff and handing it out to people in inns and taverns that really formulated the sort of the thought experiment behind the American Revolution that led to the independence of this country.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right, Dan says, Tim, big fan of you and the team.
Timcast subscriber and enjoy the extras.
Although I don't take advantage of the membership, I will never cancel out of support for what you and the team do.
Thank you.
What we need to do next is, it's a lot.
We're juggling so much.
Pop Culture Crisis, of course, has been getting bigger, getting more views, getting more subs.
So we want to have that show that engages with pop culture getting bigger, because that's how we're going to impact it by participating.
But we need to hire prominent writers who do good op-eds, analysis, and think pieces so that we can start making opinion paywalled articles for TimCast.com so that way we can share these stories and then be like, hey, here's a value proposition.
We have a lot of users.
We have a lot of subscribers.
The overwhelming majority are subscribing for the general mission and content of the website, and it's not necessarily just about the members-only stuff.
It's just like, It's the news team.
It's the writing we do.
It's the whole mission.
We know this because we had subscribers even before we had the paywall.
We just had to do that to create a better value proposition.
So that's the next thing.
I want to hire two opinion writers in cultural politics.
So we're looking at a handful of people.
And then they'll write articles when they write articles addressing big stories like this.
And then those will be like paywalled op-eds just to give the members more stuff.
Plus we have the green room and we're trying to expand and grow and do crazy stuff.
I think it's a good fit.
I really do.
I can only imagine what that one's about.
with libs of TikTok.
unidentified
We'll see.
tim pool
I think it's a good fit, I really do.
All right.
Placid Saint says, Netflix may have gone down
because a new series called, He's Expecting just got released
and it looks super cringe and looks like utter gutter trash.
I can only imagine what that one's about.
We'll see.
jack posobiec
That's an affront to God.
unidentified
Yeah.
Not the only thing on Netflix either.
No, no.
All right.
tim pool
Uh, let's see.
Sean McCormick says, there are trending rumors that Dr. Fauci is facing a military tribunal since April 18th.
Please look into this.
It could be huge and is definitely not happening.
And I would bet a lot of money it's not happening.
I mean, that's just, come on.
jack posobiec
That's like wiki world news level.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Sorry.
jack posobiec
Bad boy.
tim pool
That's servers in Germany.
CIA gun battle level.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
Ben Hickson says in Oz major parties pulled 33% independent making other third all Aussies vote major parties last to enact real change and consider liberal Democrats with freedom manifesto.
Interesting.
jack posobiec
I thought they meant Dr. Oz for a second, who's, you know, a guy who supports red flag laws, who talked about top surgery for seventh graders, who mocked heartbeat bills, and yet somehow is running around calling himself a conservative, even though, to run in Pennsylvania, even though, of course, he's lived for 30 years in New Jersey.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, he's gotta, with those opinions, he's gotta wait like at least five years before he calls himself conservative.
jack posobiec
Maybe six.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Maybe six.
tim pool
Steve says, we can really go back to the way it was if you're pushing 60 like me.
Way better times when I was a kiddo.
I would be terrified if I was a parent today.
I think we romanticize the past.
Cell phones are great.
ian crossland
Every generation, people think it's the end of the world.
I would say it's common.
It's not common throughout every person alive at that moment.
It's very few people do it, but right now they have a megaphone.
Don't get distracted by it.
Don't get afraid.
Stay brave, man.
You're alive.
You're doing it.
You're here with us now.
jack posobiec
We had a draft during Vietnam.
Think about that.
We had an actual draft in this country where you were conscripted by the government.
And there was a lottery system with, essentially, you were given a number, and then you would turn on TV at night for your local lottery, and if your number came up, off you went.
seamus coughlin
Or in the morning.
So my dad has told a story.
When he was in high school, on the morning announcements, they would play the radio segment announcing who in the area had their number pulled, so they would know who got drafted.
jack posobiec
And they would read the numbers, and then you would just go.
ian crossland
And that was based on a false flag, the Gulf of Tonkin.
tim pool
That's right.
And it's crazy that people would just stand up and be like, oh, guess I'm going to go.
jack posobiec
Democracy, right guys?
Democracy.
ian crossland
They did that on purpose.
They put us into that war on purpose.
They did that on purpose.
And then they drafted people.
jack posobiec
Yes.
tim pool
Incredible.
All right, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Ian, roll the dice while we wait.
Please, one through a hundred.
ian crossland
Here we go.
tim pool
All right, Ian's gonna roll that.
I'm gonna scroll down.
unidentified
74.
tim pool
74, hey, not bad.
ian crossland
Big number.
tim pool
All right, Grofty says, Bach, yay, you back.
Grofty has been a generous supporter of Chicken City.
Keeping those chickens well fed.
Thank you very much.
We now have, so Chicken City has SkyEggs.
What are sky eggs?
They're these eggs that dispense treats and they hang.
And when you give five bucks in different order, they will drop treats.
So when every hundred dollars a chicken party is triggered and like dance lights show up and a dance song happens.
And then the treats drop all randomly.
Chickens are all running around.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
When they come running out of the, when they hear the music and they come running.
tim pool
It's really funny when the music starts and they run from outside and they're like waddling, like, ah, the food's coming!
We heard the song!
So they learn the chicken dance song.
jack posobiec
I think I was watching it a little bit and I think I saw Seamus actually running along with the chickens.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you know, look, every now and again, there's there's bread on the ground.
A fella gets hungry.
You just have to take your chances.
jack posobiec
Hey, those are sky treats.
tim pool
People don't realize that Seamus pecks the ground and eats the crumbs.
jack posobiec
He does.
seamus coughlin
Look, and also, you know, if a chicken gets in my way, I'm not above fighting it.
jack posobiec
It's good exercise, too.
tim pool
MurphTry says, Tim, please tell Brett I apologize for calling him Brent yesterday.
jack posobiec
Thanks, Murph.
tim pool
So, so, uh, you know, Brett was here yesterday.
jack posobiec
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And in the super chat, I said, he said Brent.
And then Braxton, who was here, called him Brent as well, because he thought he must have been wrong to call him Brett.
unidentified
He's like, oh no, I called him Brent.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Proto says people don't understand the plus part of the service.
Get CNN for free every month or get CNN plus no stelter for just five bucks more.
jack posobiec
No, that's CNN plus plus plus.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure stelter's not CNN plus.
Like you pay extra for him not to be on it.
unidentified
Yo, like nobody watches this show.
tim pool
It's pretty good.
What's his ratings like?
40,000?
jack posobiec
His ratings are abysmal and they say that John Malone, who's the lead investor, lead shareholder in Discovery, has said that he just thinks that Stelter is just like a cancer on the company and wants to get rid of him.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Oh, 100%.
jack posobiec
But honestly, I mean, I think there's people who are on there.
Brian Stelter has no influence.
Brian Stelter has no impact.
I mean, he's kind of just like a laughing clown, right?
Everybody just jokes about that guy.
He's a punchline.
ian crossland
Is he like a really nice guy in private?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Why is he so popular over there?
tim pool
What would you do if like the Discovery guys came to you, Jack, and they were like, we want you to run CNN, take it over?
jack posobiec
Uh, I would ask for full carte blanche.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
I would say, I would say, look, you know, I have to, you know, I, so yeah, first thing you do, you got to clean house.
That's, that's first and foremost.
And so in Poland, um, when the law and justice party, which is like the center right party won, um, the control of the government in 2015, the first thing they did was essentially go to the Polish version of like the BBC, which they call TVP.
And they just fired all the on-air talent and they brought in conservatives to basically be the broadcasters.
of Poland and you know essentially you'd have to do that with CNN or at least you know bring
on people so you'd have to have your your news programs that were just straight news
and if you caught someone embellishing you'd have to get rid of them and then you could
have multiple shows you could go back by the way right it wasn't that long ago that Alex
Jones was going on CNN debating Piers Morgan or you would have Tucker Carlson sitting down
with like James Carville or someone from the left right.
You can easily bring that back and you can have Don Lemon and Wolf Blitzer arguing about which black hole MH370 went through.
tim pool
If CNN had Alex Jones and say, Alex Jones went on The View.
I know, I know.
If they had Alex Jones and Rachel Maddow on the same show at the same time, they'd have like 10 million mega ratings.
ian crossland
It's gotta be long form.
jack posobiec
They should go long form, too.
There's so many things you could do with that, and everybody would want to watch it.
It'd be way more interesting than boring politics all the time.
tim pool
Don't give him ideas, because, you know... Well, we already kind of did that.
seamus coughlin
We had Rachel Maddow on with Jeremy Boring.
lydia smith
Yeah, we did.
tim pool
That was pretty cool.
That's true.
So, that's right.
Yeah, Rachel Maddow and Jeremy Boring discussing philosophy.
Rachel, of course, is a conservative white man who hosts a... That's right.
lydia smith
Sicilian man.
unidentified
Who wrote a book called Speechless, controlling... No, no, here's something funny.
tim pool
So, whenever a guest comes, we have our graphic artist, Jessica, draws a portrait of him.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
And then they sign it.
So for Michael Knowles, she actually made a Rachel Maddow photo and a Michael Knowles photo, and Michael only signed the Rachel Maddow one.
But alright!
jack posobiec
But did he write Rachel Maddow?
tim pool
No, he wrote Michael Knowles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because what we did as a joke, like, here's your picture, and he left and signed it, and they're like, no, sign the real one, and I guess he forgot?
seamus coughlin
He was like, That's beneath me.
tim pool
I guess on the wall of portraits we have here.
We got to put up the Rachel Maddow one.
It's probably worth more money now to be honest.
ian crossland
It's like the very good Rachel to sign Michaels.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
All right, MJAC says, interested in what all of you, even my fellow Catholics, think of the dark MAGA movement.
I don't know what that is.
lydia smith
What is that?
ian crossland
No idea.
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
Dark MAGA movement?
jack posobiec
I've seen, yes, Rahim Kassam had a sub stack up about this, and then Newsweek is attacking it now, and it's sort of this like, It's like this new take on MAGA and this idea that like, basically it comes down to if Trump comes back, it should be like a revenge mission.
And so all the aesthetics kind of revolve around that.
tim pool
Trump just shows up and he's wearing like a black trench coat and his eyes have like duck wings around his eyes.
Yeah, you get it.
ian crossland
He bends the doors of the White House when he walks through.
tim pool
Yeah, he bends.
jack posobiec
Well, no, the thing I was saying yesterday was you saw that bit with, you know, Joe Biden and the Easter Bunny coming off, you know, and the Easter Bunny was like getting him out of there.
And I was saying, well, the next logical step in that would be that the Easter Bunny pulls the mask off and underneath it's Trump.
And, you know, the crowd goes wild.
How did he get in here?
And, you know, Jay was like, Look out!
It's Trump!
It's Trump!
tim pool
I need an Emperor Palpatine, but Trump.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
I feel like he looks more like Biden.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Come on.
Do it.
seamus coughlin
Oh, do the impression?
As Trump?
tim pool
Trump as Emperor Palpatine.
unidentified
The story of Dark Plague at the Wise is the greatest.
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
So you want me to do Trump's voice?
First, quite frankly, it's a story CNN wouldn't tell you.
You gotta let the hate flow through you.
Firstly, okay, folks.
unidentified
You have to let the hate flow through you.
tim pool
He's too dangerous to be left alive.
But I can't.
It's not the Jedi way.
Do it.
unidentified
Your friends on the Sanctuary Moon.
jack posobiec
I shoot the most lightning.
unidentified
This power station is quite apparational.
I said, look, if you entered Ukraine airspace, we would use the Death Star.
seamus coughlin
And I 10% meant it.
We may have used the Death Star if they went to Ukraine.
tim pool
It's possible.
Coruscant deserved it.
jack posobiec
Does Coruscant actually get schwacked in the movie?
tim pool
Yo, here's an idea.
jack posobiec
No, in the new.
unidentified
Oh, I don't know.
tim pool
Coruscant?
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure he blows it up, right?
jack posobiec
I don't know.
ian crossland
Ugh, that's jumping the shark.
tim pool
Didn't he blow Coruscant up in the first one?
ian crossland
No, that was Alderaan.
tim pool
Alderaan.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Coruscant gets blown up in the new one.
jack posobiec
I guess.
It's like a throwaway line.
Like, oh yeah, we blew up the capital city and there's a million people.
tim pool
Well, this time the Death Star's a planet, and it doesn't fire one blast, it fires a bunch.
It's like, whatever.
jack posobiec
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Real original, guys.
Alright, Amber Black says Chicken City should sponsor H3H3.
Done!
Ethan!
unidentified
Oh!
tim pool
Have your people call my people.
Chicken City will absolutely sponsor one of your episodes.
I am not kidding.
Send me your rates if they're reasonable.
I mean, if they're like, we want some insane number, but if they legitimately are like, here's our normal rates, I'll be like, dude, we want the Chicken City commercial.
We want the Chicken City shout out from Ethan Klein.
I will take it.
Chicken City is the most wholesome show, completely apolitical.
It is just chickens eating treats.
We're actually making kids cartoons, and I wrote the Chicken City theme song.
ian crossland
We also got the funniest, like, Adult Swim 2007 chicken cartoon.
It's like 20 or 30 seconds, but it's a little too racy for Instagram, I think.
tim pool
I'll just say that when Seamus and I were doing the VO writing session on this, I ad-libbed a very, very, very dark And then when I sent the VO to our animator Kent, I was like, hey, don't make that one.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I was like, I don't care.
tim pool
He was like, I will not do that.
And then he sends me the clip like, it has been made.
And it's hilarious.
I tried posting it on Instagram, but Instagram shadowbanned it immediately.
jack posobiec
What was that show?
It was like, Adam Kroll was on it.
He was a pig.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh, Drawn Together.
It was Adam Carolla?
tim pool
It was basically that kind of humor.
jack posobiec
Yeah, that's what it reminds me of.
That show was actually pretty wild.
They made a movie, I felt.
tim pool
Alright, we got J.N.
who says, Magneto, Ian, watch Dr. Gene Kim talk about graphene regarding iron mixing with clay.
McLeod, Seamus, can help him understand.
Deuces.
Alright, Magneto and McLeod.
seamus coughlin
I appreciate the shout-out.
unidentified
I don't understand the reference.
tim pool
Is that a Highlander reference?
ian crossland
You know what?
Send me a link on Twitter to the video you're talking about.
jack posobiec
There can be only one.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
Thank you.
tim pool
There can be only one.
jack posobiec
Only one Grosslander.
tim pool
Highlander.
Man, what a show.
Or movie.
Or both.
unidentified
Whatever it is.
tim pool
Wasn't the show like every episode he killed a guy or something?
jack posobiec
Because there can be only one.
tim pool
It's so weird.
Would you just go around killing everyone else?
jack posobiec
Well I know in the first movie they have this like huge epic drawn out Scottish Highlander battle in like a parking garage.
And I think that in general we need to do more to be more grateful to parking garages for their contribution to the movies of the 1970s and 80s.
ian crossland
Yeah it's got a lot of good lighting opportunities.
jack posobiec
Like everything since Watergate had to be, everything was in a parking garage.
ian crossland
I thought they live at a great fight scene.
Right outside of a parking lot.
jack posobiec
Right outside of a parking lot.
tim pool
Oh, I gotta watch that.
says, Hey guys, I love the show and just became a member.
Thank you very much. Thoughts on Russell Brand's podcast yesterday about the great reset. If
you've watched it, I haven't, but Russell Brand has been hitting grand slams lately. Hasn't
jack posobiec
he? His whole life. He's actually, he's actually really, really good in death on the Nile.
He's like probably the best part of that movie.
ian crossland
He's so good.
He's like really, really excellent in that.
jack posobiec
And he's not, it's not a comedic role either.
It's like a very serious, um, dramatic turn.
tim pool
I love how they're smearing him.
They're like, Russell Brand is now far right.
ian crossland
I was so glad he got serious in like 2011.
He started taking stuff really seriously right around the time they were going to sell us out to the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
jack posobiec
Isn't that right when he and Katy Perry broke up?
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think so.
jack posobiec
That changes a man.
tim pool
All right, seven ninjas, a man, seven ninjas says, Tim, will you ever do more tech news on your main channel or
maybe on a sub channel?
For example, maybe there is news on development of geothermal energy
Well, what we're trying to do is make new shows and we're also trying to figure out the right way to do it
Because we want we want Tim cast calm to be big But also does it make sense for people who are you know
driven by culture and politics to you know?
See a story about a new cell phone They might be like, so we do, do we do a broad general website or do we make like a network site and each individual like show has its own site with its own articles and stuff?
jack posobiec
And make verticals.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
So, you know, I think we're at the point where we couldn't justify launching independent websites just yet, but we're probably going to get close to that.
So there will probably be, you know, TimCast.com, which is like this show and my YouTube show and then a little bit of everything, but then we'll probably give independent sites.
So we will, we have been planning a tech show because we have a hacker space that's barren and unused.
We just need hackers to be in it.
We have one of the best 3D printers money can buy, which is just sitting there unused.
I'm disappointed.
But, uh, expansion is not easy.
You know, man, we, we, like, I don't want to say too much, but security stuff, like, expanding, all of that, it's brutal.
It's brutal, man.
jack posobiec
That being said, I do think I saw a headline on Energy that something about the Biden administration was looking about spending $7 billion on refurbishing nuclear sites in the U.S.
seamus coughlin
Well, you know, our economy is doing well.
Why not?
Why not spend a whole lot of money?
jack posobiec
Just print it.
Keep printing.
seamus coughlin
It's a good idea.
tim pool
All right.
We'll grab one more.
Skater Owned Solution says, Tim, I'm down to my last dollars to give.
Hope to catch your attention and get some advice on how I want to rebuild skate culture in the right direction.
Please check out my story on the skaterowned.solutions website or someone on your team.
We need people who can build ramps.
So, you know, if you, uh, if you guys do ramp construction, we have a lot of stuff that has to get built.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, you can email us, spintheufo at gmail.com.
tim pool
If you do ramp construction, send us photos of the work you've done, and we will hire you yesterday to do construction.
ian crossland
Oh, for your personal work, man, take a look at Brett Dasovic, because that dude is diligent.
Every day he skates, and he makes videos, and he pushes it out, and he sells himself, and then Tim saw his work.
So do that.
tim pool
Well, actually, what happened was, over the pandemic, rollerblading became way more popular because people started getting back into it, sales started going up, and then I watched skateboarding videos.
But because of the similarities, I started getting recommended roller skating and rollerblading, and that's actually how I found Brett.
I saw this video where he was, like, doing a grind on, like, a wooden stump or something, and I was like, this dude's willing to, like, he'll skate anything!
And so I hit him up, I'm like, hey, come out and film because we also had a scooter guy come out, a BMX guy come out.
I was like, I want to get everybody to like, you know, and then Brett stuck around and we got him on Pop Culture Crisis.
So anyway, my friends, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, support the work we do at TimCast.com because your membership isn't just about necessarily what the website has to offer.
It does, but it's about the mission that we're building and trying to expand.
You know, hopefully you believe in the work we do, and if you do, you want to keep it going, so that's what your membership gets.
And you will get to watch the members-only segment coming up at about 11 p.m.
tonight.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL, basically everywhere.
Follow us on Instagram for clips.
You can follow me at TimCast, basically everywhere.
Jack!
You have a book!
jack posobiec
Buy Pillow.
I'd just like to remind everyone to buy Pillow.
Every page of the book says buy Pillow.
No, seriously, check me out.
Human Events Daily, wherever you get your podcasts.
We got a new tagline for the show.
It's a podcast for people who don't like podcasts.
Because it's 25 minutes, all the news, the analysis of the day, and our promise, our oath, our solemn vow to everyone, be good, be brief, be gone.
tim pool
Right on.
seamus coughlin
Wonderful.
I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
Please go over there, check it out.
I think you guys will enjoy it.
We just released a cartoon today called The Democrats' Brilliant Midterm Strategy.
unidentified
I don't want to give away the punchline.
seamus coughlin
It's very short, 30 seconds or so.
I think you guys will really like it.
ian crossland
Follow me, iancrossland.net, if you want to get in touch.
And if you want to talk more about this twisting universe theory, please contact me on Mines or Twitter.
Get involved.
Very fun, very exciting future we have ahead of us.
lydia smith
Bye.
And I am also here in the corner.
You guys may follow me on Twitter and Mines.com at Sour Patch Lids.
I also have a Sour Patch Lids.me.
tim pool
All right, everybody, head over to TimCast.com for that member segment, and we'll see you all there.
Thanks for hanging out.
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