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April 7, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - "Ok Groomer" Sparks Weird Establishment Defense Of Grooming w/ Will Chamberlain
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ian crossland
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seamus coughlin
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tim pool
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will chamberlain
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lydia smith
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tim pool
Peace.
And I don't, I think maybe they're trying to make a semantic argument, like why are Republicans concerned about this greater concept, but it shows the naivete, ignorance, or devious nature that is behind the defense of the parental rights and, I'm sorry, the defense, or the protests against, I should say, the parental rights and education bill.
There's a reason why Republicans don't like grooming, because they like their kids.
You know, they love their children and they don't want predators coming after them.
And now we have all of these articles coming out from the left, from establishment media, defending these ridiculous ideas, like having adults have secret conversations with children about sexual things.
And it's just really strange how they're They have no choice, I suppose, but to come out overtly in support of these ideas because they falsely smeared the bill, they need teachers to have the ability to separate children from their parents for their ideology, but it puts them in a serious bind when the subject matter is, hey, don't groom, which means parents have a right to know, and now they're forced to defend this bill.
I think Republicans have principally gone after the issue.
I don't believe there was an ulterior motive.
I don't believe there's a secret definition of what grooming means.
Unlike the left that redefined white supremacy, fascism, and racism, for the most part, Republicans legitimately mean grooming when they say anti-grooming.
But of course, the left likes to redefine language.
This may be one of the most successful culture war campaigns because regular parents understand what's happening to their kids, which is why we saw this Election in Virginia.
We saw Loudoun County scandal.
We see a Republican win because these parents don't like what's happening in these schools to their children and they don't want it kept a secret from them.
That's what's happening.
So we have a whole bunch of articles about this because now we've got Texas making a big push for parental rights and education.
I'm hearing people mention Louisiana.
We've got Ohio doing the same thing.
We'll talk about that.
We've also got a very funny story.
We'll talk about more outrage over Elon Musk over at Twitter.
There is something going on in California with a bill that would prevent prosecution, criminal or civil penalties against a person if something happens that results in a perinatal death.
So what pro-lifers are saying is California is basically legalizing post-birth abortion.
Now, there was an amendment made to the bill, so we'll break down what's really happening.
And it is kind of alarming what they're proposing.
It's not the worst case scenario, many people on the right are saying, but it is still really bad.
So we'll get into all that.
Plus, we got polls coming in.
Democrats, it's looking really, really bad.
Even Chris Hayes is issuing a dire warning about what we can expect in the November midterms.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, the polls are so good they're preparing for Russian interference.
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
Joining us today is Will Chamberlain.
will chamberlain
Good to be with you.
Senior counsel at the Internet Accountability Project and the Article 3 Project and always happy to be here.
tim pool
Right on.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, great to have you, man.
tim pool
Seamus is here.
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ian crossland
Ian Crosland, the favorite devil's advocate.
I was going to try and take a devil's advocate position on this grooming thing, because I have a feeling people in this room kind of are in agreement about how cruel and insane it might be, but I don't think I can.
Seems too Soviet to me to get on board with it.
tim pool
Ian's like, how can I support what they're saying?
How can I understand?
Not this time.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Understanding their mentalities is the first step, but let's go there.
lydia smith
Well, I am very concerned about their mentality.
I don't think they're coming from a place of good faith, so we'll read some of those articles and see what they're up to.
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Let's jump into this first story.
Behold one of the most absurd articles you will ever see from the week.
Why are Republicans so concerned about grooming?
I just want to pause real quick.
seamus coughlin
What a great question.
tim pool
This headline should make it clear to any and everyone That there are two distinct universes that exist in terms of morality.
There is no conservative, post-liberal, libertarian, civil libertarian, whatever, who would question why grooming is bad.
But apparently, to the establishment left, to the corporate left, democrat, whatever, and many leftists who would defend this, they're outright just like, why are you mad about your kids being groomed?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The morality is just, it's just set, it's parallel realities.
seamus coughlin
The most charitable possible interpretation you could give to this article is that he's essentially saying that this grooming isn't happening and it's moral hysteria, right?
That seems to be what he delineates in this article.
So yeah, here's the question.
Why would Republicans be concerned about grooming?
Is it the case that Florida tried to pass or did pass a parental rights and education bill that said you can't talk to 48 year olds about sexuality then tell them don't tell your parents after you have a conversation with them about sexuality and perverted ideas and then the entire media said that that was wrong and we should oppose it?
Oh wait, it is!
So it's perfectly reasonable!
tim pool
Let's make sure we preface this with there was a bill that was passed in Florida It says, classroom instruction on orientation and identity is prohibited kindergarten through third grade or in a manner that is not age appropriate.
It further clarifies that in any instance of treatment given to a child for mental, medical, or physical reasons, the parents must be informed and the school and its employees can't encourage children to withhold information and must provide information to parents on certain issues.
The parents have a right to sue.
Now, when that happened, what did the establishment media come out and say?
Yo, why do you hate gay people?
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
And I was like, whoa, whoa, wait, hold on, hold on a minute.
You know, we're like, hey, we don't, we don't like, you know, creepos coming after our kids, and they're like, you hate gay people!
It's like, that association happened in your mind.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
will chamberlain
Yeah, like this is, it reminds me of, you know, the Kevin Spacey thing when he was, you know, accused of pedophilia, and he was like, let me admit, I am a gay man.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
will chamberlain
Very bold, right?
Very bold.
So this is, I think, you know, they tried what actually was extremely reckless rhetorical gambit, right?
tim pool
For Spacey, though, it was just assaulting dudes.
I don't think they were kids.
I think they were, like, actors.
Teenagers.
Were they underage?
will chamberlain
I'm pretty sure, yeah, that there was some reports of him trying to, like, seduce underage males.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah.
will chamberlain
Well, that's the case.
Yeah, so that was why it was like, I'm going to admit I'm a gay man was such a joke.
tim pool
Yeah, like, everyone's like, did you do it?
And he goes, I'm gay.
will chamberlain
Not responsive, bro.
tim pool
I don't know what that has to do.
So yeah, right.
So here's what I would say about this article.
I'm not interested in trying to give the benefit of the doubt to people who would call all of us fascists or Nazis or white supremacists.
So when they read an article that says, why are Republicans so concerned about grooming?
Do they not realize what they're saying with that headline to the average person?
Does the average person understand they're talking about a semantic debate?
And I'm not going to go ahead and assume it.
He actually writes in the article that it's hard to know how much of this is sincere hysteria and how much is ugly McCarthyist politics.
Or, uh, how about, this dude is so out of touch, the left is so in favor of grooming, they can't see it as grooming or being bad.
ian crossland
That's what I'm saying, Jim.
I think this spawns from, uh, guidance counseling in high school.
When I went to high school, it was like, if you're getting abused at home, you can come talk to the guidance counselor, and in confidentiality, they'll report it to the police for you, kind of thing.
So, like, your parents aren't going to destroy you for And that's why I think this mentality is like, if you think you're trans and you're six, then it's abusive for your parent to tell you it's not mentality.
And so they're trying to do this behind the parent's back because they don't want the kid to suffer abuse, but it's not the same thing.
tim pool
It's not abuse.
Look, these parents are going to be with these children for 79 years.
Well, probably the parents will die before then, but let's just say average life expectancy, average, you know, 55 to 60 years, the parents will be with their children their entire lives.
How about that?
The teachers?
One year.
One year.
So, how about if a five to nine year old says something, the teacher says, maybe this is something that's best suited for your parents to figure out with you, because they're going to be with you for the next decade, you know, as you go through these issues in school, your parents will be a constant for the entirety of your school career or whatever.
We'll only be one year out of the whole, the entirety of it.
ian crossland
And then the kid goes, but I'm afraid to tell my parents.
And then, so it spawns from that.
And the kid's like, well, they're afraid.
We can't make them do something they're afraid to do.
tim pool
And the teacher should say, you should never be scared of your parents.
ian crossland
Yeah, a good teacher would do that.
tim pool
But, if parents are beating their kids, then they should say, we're gonna call, you know, child services.
will chamberlain
Right, a good faith exception sort of ends up swallowing, like, the normal behavior.
And, again, like, the arrogance here of these teachers to be like, well, no, I should be able to talk about, you know, instruct these kids on sexual orientation, and I should be able to have secret conversations about their gender identity.
Like, no, no, no, no, no.
This is not your child.
There's a parent.
And I think it's not a surprise that all these people are, like, single or childless.
tim pool
I gotta go at this semantic argument real quick.
Obviously, people are gonna argue on the left that the article is not suggesting that they don't understand why grooming is bad.
They talk about all that stuff in there.
The article itself is trying to separate what grooming means into something else.
ian crossland
Yes, that's why it's in quotes.
tim pool
What they're trying to do is when... Again, I hate saying conservative.
ian crossland
Trying to redefine it.
You're right already.
tim pool
They're trying to redefine what the word means.
When we see photos of... There's that photo of that little boy with the adult naked man.
You remember that one?
And it's like a drag show.
And the left was like, this is fine.
And I'm like, the dude is buck naked.
Or there's the Desmond kid who is stripping on stage.
But that's just a drag show.
I'm like, no, it's not.
If anyone who's ever been across this country and knows what strip clubs are like, there are fully clothed strip clubs where the women can't get naked, there are topless bars, and there are fully nude bars.
That means strip clubs actually exist where the women just take off their clothes to their under layers, which is exactly what that little boy was doing.
They are doing child stripping and they're like, how's that grooming?
When conservatives, post-liberals, whatever this faction is, says, we don't want teachers having conversations about sexual concepts to children, it's just that.
Because this is what they're pushing for.
When they then come out and say, what could they possibly mean by grooming?
Yeah, so... Yeah, no, they're lying.
seamus coughlin
It's interesting, they kind of answer their own question here, and I want to make another point first.
On this whole point about not being sure how much is sincere hysteria and how much is ugly McCarthyist politics, that's rich coming from a member of the party which spent years calling us Russian agents for disagreeing with them, but... They still do it!
Then they still do.
So in this article, he says that this is dishonest, because most Americans will hear the term, referring to Groomer, And understand it to mean something much more violent than, quote, encouraging kids to question their sexuality in the church, unquote.
Here's the thing.
If you ask most Americans how they would label an adult encouraging a child to question their sexuality and then telling their child not to speak to their parent about the conversation, they would label that grooming.
It is a completely fair term.
In fact, it is the most accurate possible term to use in that situation.
tim pool
You ever watch Law & Order SVU?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
In the criminal justice system.
tim pool
That's right.
And there are many episodes where there'll be like a child victim, and they'll be like, did anyone tell you not to talk to your parents?
Did anyone tell you, you won't get in trouble if you tell us?
Because groomers go to kids and say, don't tell your parents I told you this.
ian crossland
If there's a 16 year old that comes up to your kid on the sidewalk and tells them, you'd probably see people go irate.
But if it's a teacher now, all of a sudden there isn't an argument that it's okay if it's a teacher doing it and not a 16 year old neighborhood bully, like weirdo coming up and doing it on the street.
What's the freaking difference, man?
will chamberlain
Stay mad.
You know I again right you know the fact that there's conservatives who finally we have like this rhetorically very potent like description grooming and yeah I mean I do think it create has it there's a connotation to the extent this article is correct I think there is a connotation of like sexual predation in it but that's not the only that narrow definition is not the only thing grooming means that it you know encompasses the idea of grooming is you start slow that's the point But the issue with this bill in Florida is that it's
tim pool
literal grooming.
It's not a conspiracy.
And what they're trying to do now is this guy even says, you know, it's QAnon.
And then they try saying like, oh, here we go.
The Republicans are all QAnon.
And it's like, why?
And they're like, Republicans are accusing Democrats of being pedophiles.
And it's like when.
Well, hold on there a minute.
When someone comes out and is like, uh, I would prefer it if the teachers didn't have conversations with children about sexual issues and then tell them to keep it a secret.
And they go, yo, why do you hate gay people?
I'm just like, first of all, what?
And why are you, why are you defending that?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
In the literal definition, you know what?
It's just very, very simple.
The left redefines words.
And what they're trying to do right here is they're trying to take the word grooming, which is what is happening, and they're trying to take this one piece and move it out and move the goalpost a little bit.
Like, oh, no, no, no, this isn't really grooming.
Republicans are lying because technically if someone's having secret sexual conversations with children, that doesn't count because we're talking about LGBTQIA stuff.
will chamberlain
I mean, but this is something they always do, right?
When it's an epithet that applies to their ideological adversaries, we're going to broaden the definition so that it encompasses their behavior.
When it's a definition that applies to our ideological allies, we're going to narrow the definition so it doesn't apply.
I mean, racism is the classic example.
Like, the redefinition of racism is first structural so it encompasses everything in society, but then Prejudice plus power, narrowing it so that when our ideological allies do things that are overtly racist, it actually no longer becomes racist.
tim pool
No longer applies to them.
will chamberlain
Right.
Like, it's just, it's just, it's just word games, right?
And so, you know, and all of a sudden they're mad that Republicans have a word that is just a getting traction.
Like, and then the worst thing, we have Washington General type Republicans, like, you know, I don't even want to call David a French Republican.
Washington General.
Right.
But saying like, oh no, we shouldn't use this word.
It's like, no, this is a very, it's a, one, it's effective, and two, it's perfectly justified.
tim pool
You know what the funniest thing was?
Shout out to Robbie Suave from, he's from Reason, right?
And he was, he said something like, it's weird that people are saying students shouldn't know anything about their teacher's lives.
Something like that?
Was that what you were doing?
will chamberlain
Yeah, it was, yeah.
I knew nothing about my teacher's lives.
Especially in those ages.
tim pool
It's just the weirdest sophistry I've ever heard.
Like, no one cares.
No one is arguing.
Students shouldn't know about their teacher's lives!
They're like, you know, I don't care if the kids know the teacher has a boyfriend.
I care if the teacher is like, gather around children and let me explain to you classroom instruction on these issues and you're five years old.
will chamberlain
It's like, I don't know if you've seen Recent Soundpark, but Mr. Garrison has been talking about his, like, gay relationship in the third grade class.
tim pool
I mean, he's always done that.
will chamberlain
Right.
Yeah, like, it's literally like, but that's, I think that's ultimately what they're trying to justify.
tim pool
We're South Park.
We're South Park.
Remember the episode where Mr. Garrison, he transitions, he becomes a trans woman.
And then he goes on a date and then he comes in and Mrs. Garrison is all angry because all men are pigs and then tells them they have to do weekend book report on the old man in the sea.
And it was like South Park actually made jokes about the idea that the teacher would be yelling at the kids about sexual personal issues.
And that was supposed to be comical in that it's not real life.
ian crossland
I think a lot of kids saw that and it just wrote code in their brain that it was real.
That's the problem with parody.
And if that cartoon was not a cartoon, was a real-life show, I think people cannot... It's not the children who are enacting it, it's the adults who are enacting it.
Tiny kids can't tell the difference between comedy and normal stuff.
tim pool
Okay, well, hold on.
You're talking about something totally off.
ian crossland
I'm talking about the kids that are now teachers were watching that crap back in the day and thinking... It was writing in their brain like, this is normal, this is normal.
tim pool
It was like 10 years ago.
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
So they were like 10.
But, um...
If South Park was a real show with real actors, that scene wouldn't have flown.
It would have been shut down by the ACLU or whoever would have went after him hard.
But because it's a cartoon, all of a sudden you can do this grotesque comedy.
tim pool
I will say, one of the weirdest things about South Park is that they have overtly sexual situations between 10-year-olds on that show all the time.
I always thought that was weird.
will chamberlain
That's for adults.
It's a show about kids for adults.
tim pool
And the kids aren't necessarily meant to be in childish situations.
They're often in adult situations.
Still, I find that weird.
It's just a weird circumstance with the show.
But considering the show isn't overtly about that, I'm kind of like, whatever.
ian crossland
We got Big Mouth 2.
tim pool
Big Mouth is messed up.
ian crossland
They animate it and it's like, okay, it's just a joke because it's animated, but it's still training people.
tim pool
When South Park does one joke about Butters and Cartman, and it's supposed to be, like, shockingly grotesque and offensive, I'm like, man, they really pushed the line on this one.
But the show isn't overtly about this.
When Big Mouth is literally a show about children engaging in sexual activities, I'm like, why would someone want to watch that?
ian crossland
You made a great point that it's a show about kids for adults.
That's very important.
It's like an R-rated cartoon.
tim pool
So is Big Mouth, and Big Mouth is messed up.
will chamberlain
I mean, there are some things that are so depraved that they shouldn't be on television.
tim pool
Have you ever seen Big Mouth?
will chamberlain
No.
tim pool
I cannot understand why people are like... Look, I gotta tell you, man, like I was saying early on, the moral universes are just distinct.
Big Mouth is basically a bunch of kids going through puberty.
And there's the puberty monster, it's a male and a female, and they're always trying to encourage them to do these things or whatever.
I've seen a couple episodes because I went to someone's house who was playing it, and I immediately was like, yo, this is like a nasty show, bro.
I don't want to see a show, even if it's cartoon characters, there's like a 12-year-old boy beating it in a bathroom, and like, that's the joke.
I'm like, that's not a joke, that's just gross.
People want to watch that?
Hey man, look, maybe I'm a square these days.
ian crossland
No, no.
seamus coughlin
That's disgusting.
ian crossland
I thought the same thing when I saw that show.
tim pool
Well, look at Cuties.
I think there's a trend here with what they're doing.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
And they defended that to the death, too.
They defended Cuties like crazy.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, and for a little while on the left they were calling this, what, pedophilia hysteria?
And now we're seeing a little bit of a resurgence of that.
And what people are concerned about with the response to this bill isn't that it was just some small handful of particularly perverted teachers who took issue with it.
It's that That's sick.
dominant media culture came out against it and said, oh, of course adults have the right to have secret
conversations about sexual matters with children.
That's sick. It's not a moral panic to say that there's something deeply wrong
with the social fabric of this country and we need to address it.
ian crossland
It feels like the term groomer has sparked something in people.
And I was telling Lydia before, it feels like cold water is splashed on these people's faces, the way they're reacting to it.
Like they're shaken, they're afraid.
And they're like, why is this even like the guy's article that we just read?
He wasn't saying that the conservatives are wrong for saying grooming.
He's like, what's the big deal about it?
Like he's genuinely asking the question because he wants to figure it out.
tim pool
Somebody super chatted us this.
They said, um, why is everyone forgetting about the gay men's chorus?
seamus coughlin
And I was like, we'll convert your children.
I was just going to mention that.
tim pool
And, and, and it's like, they said it was the group defended itself calling the video tongue in cheek humor, but it's like, yo, you said we're coming for your children.
You think we'll corrupt your kids.
If our agenda goes unchecked, funny justice, once you're correct, we'll convert your children happens bit by bit, quietly and subtly.
And you'll barely notice it.
You can keep them from disco.
Warn about San Francisco.
Make them wear pleated pants.
We don't care.
We'll convert your children.
We'll make them tolerant and fair.
And then they say, we'll convert your children.
Someone's got to teach them not to hate.
We're coming for them.
We're coming for your children.
We're coming for them.
We're coming for your children.
And then they, like, they do.
And then people are like, please don't, and they're like, you hate gay people.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Well, or those examples of teachers on TikTok going on about how they are going to educate your child on being on binary and alternative sexual lifestyles.
Can you imagine if some conservative group made this video, but about conversion therapy or something?
tim pool
Or Christianity.
seamus coughlin
It'd be completely deleted off the internet.
That would be it.
tim pool
Where's the Christian version?
unidentified
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
We're going to teach your children values and make them worship the Lord and all that stuff.
They'd freak out.
They'd lose their minds.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
No, the reason they're so upset is because we're over the, people are over the target.
They've like accurately taken this sort of like massive amount of like untoward behavior by teachers, by like adults of all kinds.
Right.
That should be in, should not be happening.
And they've labeled it with something, they branded it and it's now it's, it's a really, really sticky brand.
seamus coughlin
Check this out.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story.
We have from TimCast.com, Ohio introduces parental rights and education bill takes aim at promotion of divisive concepts in schools.
So this was just from the other day and it's similar to what we're seeing with Florida.
Then we have this story from Texas Tribune.
Critics of Texas's push for a don't-say-gay bill say acknowledging LGBTQ people isn't the same as teaching kids about sex.
Well, hey, I agree.
So the issue here is that's not what the conservatives, the right, or people who were in favor of the parental rights bill did.
They did that.
They associated LGBTQ with this bill.
They said it's called Don't Say Gay.
Now they're complaining that people think they're linked.
Isn't that just funny?
It's like, the point I've been making since the beginning is that someone's like, hey, don't talk to my kids about sex in secret.
And they say, you hate gay people.
It's like, You created that connection and now you're complaining about the connection existing?
These people live in their own ridiculous universe.
seamus coughlin
Well, and it's also laughable too that they would think that bringing that connection up or creating it would deter people from opposing that bill as if I'm supposed to say or anyone's supposed to say who is a parent.
You know, I really don't want my child to be groomed or have uncomfortable conversations on sexuality.
On the other hand, it might hurt gay people's feelings if we don't let that happen.
ian crossland
Yeah, the extreme metaphor would be like if the Nazis put clown makeup on their face and then did what they did.
You'd be like, well, they're just joking because they look like clowns.
Like, you can't just say you're gay and then devious behavior is okay.
It doesn't matter what your sexuality or how you claim, what you identify as.
It doesn't matter.
tim pool
A bunch of clansmen wearing clown makeup and being like, no, no, no, it's not about racism, it's about clowns.
Like, yeah, dude.
ian crossland
You just hate clowns.
tim pool
You just hate clowns.
We're not buying it, dude.
It's a weird position, but the left keeps doing it, and I wonder if it's actually working at this point.
Because you look at the polls, man, people are just not having it.
Parents support the Parental Rights and Education Bill because when you read it, when you read the summary, when you read the simple language, it all makes sense.
lydia smith
It's so interesting to me that the first thing they say when you say this is not good and we don't want grooming is that you hate gay people because it seems to me like based on the chorus that we just, you know, talked about and I was thinking about that earlier.
I was like, they literally told us flat out they're coming for our children.
I feel like they're telling on themselves and they're like, well, you hate gay people.
tim pool
And then they're like, we're joking.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we're just joking.
tim pool
Remember when those dudes went around claiming that they were Nazis, but then they're like, yo, it was ironic.
And these people don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Agreed.
Neither do the people who are claiming to be ironic Nazis, either, truth be told.
ian crossland
Yeah, if you're gonna parody, I mean, I think it should be, it should say, parody on the thing before you load it up.
Like a Twitter account, you go to a profile, it says, this is a parody account.
You can't, like, have to sift through it to find out after the fact, was that a parody or not?
tim pool
You'd be a good person to ask about this.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
tim pool
I got, I got, I got a, within reason.
ian crossland
Sheamus is good at parody, so I want to know what you think.
tim pool
You have to accept the satirical posts you make.
I know this because I post ridiculous garbage all the time.
I tweeted something like, Elon Musk is on the board the fascist- I was like, what if he just lets all the fascists and Nazis back on Twitter, and then I put a crying emoji?
Yes, I fully understand that some people may see that tweet and think it's real.
I don't care, because it's not that serious.
But if somebody wants to come out and make extreme statements like, we're coming for your children, or that they're Nazis, you better expect people to believe you're being honest about what that is.
People are going to believe your jokes, if they don't know who you are.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, so it's a good question.
This Wheel Convert Your Children parody isn't a parody in the proper sense because it's not as if they're coming out and saying the opposite of what they actually want to do, right?
So if I do a cartoon with a character named Republican Man who comes out and goes, I'm going to put cigarettes in Happy Meals and get everyone's children addicted to smoking for corporate profits or something ridiculous, that's a parody that's That's satirical because that's not something I as a conservative would actually be pushing for.
I'm making fun of the way left-wing people portray conservatives.
But what they're doing here is they're in some sense trying to poke fun at or delegitimize this idea that conservatives will say gay people will try to groom or convert their children.
Fair.
but they do so by saying, oh no, we will convert your children,
but they try to use flowery language to describe that conversion.
So they say, we'll groom them or convert them into being more tolerant or better people
or more accepting people, when those are really all just synonyms
for what Republicans are talking about in the first place, which is accepting sexual degeneracy or engaging in it.
tim pool
If Republicans actually were putting some kind of addictive chemical
or advocating for it in Happy Meals, then I think the distinction there works better.
Conservatives clearly aren't in favor of addictive chemicals in food for children.
seamus coughlin
Except for high-fructose corn syrup.
tim pool
Well, but you're talking about something a bit more nuanced, right?
So the issue here is, conservatives are like, I think you're secretly grooming my children, and then they make a video saying they're doing it.
It's like, okay.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, exactly.
ian crossland
No one's accusing Republicans of doing something bad to their children.
seamus coughlin
This is something the left does all the time.
They will, for years, resist the accusations thrown at them by the right only to come out and accept the accusation in a cheeky manner.
So they'll go, yeah, no, we are trying to convert your kids, but because they're doing it in a quote-unquote self-aware way, they see it as clever or acceptable when they're just telling us something that we already knew.
ian crossland
Like when Biden said he was Obama's vice president.
A couple days ago.
Like, obviously, he's not in control.
seamus coughlin
I think he doesn't know.
tim pool
He was just joking, right?
But he was the vice president.
ian crossland
But he's making a statement about, it's kind of fact, like, Obama's way more likable and powerful than he is.
tim pool
It's true.
ian crossland
Maybe not on paper today, but... I don't care.
seamus coughlin
We've seen this in other ways, though, too, right?
ian crossland
You can't look at...
tim pool
So, people will look at these videos of Biden, and then try and push him to the most extreme interpretation.
I don't play that game.
People are like, look at this video of Biden being lost, and I'm like, he was looking for someone specific.
Like, he was supposed to bring someone up and introduce him, and he couldn't find him.
And so, when Biden's like, I'm the vice president, everyone laughs.
I'm like, I don't care if he said that.
He used to be Obama's vice president.
Now, when he says, Trinidad and Shabba to pressure, Badakaf, Karen, Nexon, Al Resin, I'm like, that should be mocked and questioned, for sure.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
My point is that the left has a habit of denying accusations that Republicans throw at them to come out and either pretend to be cheeky or act as if they're bold by acknowledging that it was true all along, even though they spent years denying it.
So we see this with people like Beto O'Rourke going, yeah, we're going to come after your AR-15, yeah, we're going to take your guns, or what was popular among the left about five or six years ago, which is going, yeah, I'm a socialist, I actually do believe in that.
Because for years and years and years they've been denying it.
But then at some point they come out and they act like they're brave and bold and original for acknowledging the accusation that we have been throwing at them for years that they've repeatedly denied.
will chamberlain
It turns out the slopes are in fact slippery.
That's the key thing to realize.
They would be like, oh, that's a slippery slope fallacy, actually.
We should be at a point where slippery slope is a default assumption that accurately describes reality, and then you have to prove that actually, no, this is one of Every every almost every single argument Patriot Act.
tim pool
It's like it's a slippery slope to this.
will chamberlain
Ah, you're overreacting and now that then you get ten years later that the the indefinite detention provisions in the NDA Do people really not think that in ten years like pedophilia will just be another sexual orientation like in the world?
seamus coughlin
It'll start digitally on the metaverse All of the people who come out in favor of it too are going to act as if they're either being cheeky or being bold in this exact same way.
We see this non-stop.
How long is it before some lefty writes an article about how actually the grooming that was being discussed all along is, in their view, morally legitimate?
And then act like they're bold for saying so when we knew the entire time that that's how they felt.
tim pool
I think in ten years, this is the joke we've said, the Republican Party will be a bunch of transgender communists and the left will be metaverse, you know, what's the hive mind metaverse Yeah, we'll be trying to hold the line on pedophilia bad in 10 years.
will chamberlain
Right?
We'll be fighting that debate.
tim pool
Well, Republicans... No, I... Right, right.
But Republicans are gradually just giving in to whatever the left wants.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
will chamberlain
Well, hopefully, this is how we stop it.
Right?
Like, don't give up the brand.
Stay grooming, because it is grooming.
tim pool
But the bills are simple.
They're simple.
It's not like what the left is doing with these nefarious tactics.
It's like...
Conservatives are just like, uh, we want to make sure parents know what's going on.
And they're losing their minds.
ian crossland
The downside is they're responding to the actions and they're not looking far enough ahead to see what's coming to prevent it, which is the metaverse.
Grooming in the metaverse.
Digital grooming.
Then you try to get haptic feedback machines where you can actually feel things on your body haptically.
Incredibly disturbing to think about a five-year-old with a haptic feedback suit being groomed by some old man on the internet.
So think about that.
You gotta start thinking ahead, guys, if you're making legislation and preparing and protecting from this stuff.
tim pool
Ban the internet.
Just get rid of it all.
Everyone can use telephones.
seamus coughlin
I think, well, I think you're right that in order to fight against this, one of the things we absolutely have to do is refer to this as grooming.
We need to continue to use the proper language to discuss and summarize these things.
But on top of that, it isn't just enough to use the word.
We have to treat it as if it actually is grooming.
If someone says, I don't support the Don't Say Gay Law, and then you explain what the law actually is to them, and after looking into it and doing the research and learning what it means, They're still against it.
Stop associating with that person.
They're okay with grooming children.
I know we talk a lot on the right about how we shouldn't disassociate with people because we disagree with their politics, but this is not disagreeing on politics.
This is one group of people saying it should be okay to sexually confuse and groom children.
Those are not the kinds of people you want to associate with or have in your life.
There has to be a social cost that a person pays for supporting grooming.
ian crossland
I understand.
I don't know if ostracization is the key.
I don't know.
You might be right, though.
tim pool
Look, that's what I've been saying.
There's two distinct universes here.
The left knows exactly what they're doing.
Imagine there's two battleships in the ocean, and one of them is firing Z-missiles, and they're just coming straight at the other and saying, it's getting bombed.
And then on that ship, they're like, now slow down.
We don't want to fight with the other guys.
It's like, dude, at a certain point, you just say, hey, why don't we leave?
ian crossland
Yeah, sometimes the fight is picked with you, and you don't get to choose.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
As we say, socialists don't have kids, they have yours.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
And this entire conservative commitment to never hurting anybody's feelings, or always being open-minded and tolerant towards other perspectives, including the most absurd far-left perspectives, uh... imaginable it doesn't really work with a lot of
issues especially issues like this people have to stand up against this is this isn't
just some abstraction are actually coming after children i am i am
tim pool
genuinely convinced in ten years
or report the republican party is going to be a bunch of lgbtq i a complex
looking at because i'd i sit down and argue with conservatives about the
armored arbery case because they actually come in here and they're like i
believe that was all justified that the guy who filmed it is going to prison for
the rest of his life And I'm like, why would he go to prison?
And they're like, well, because they did it.
And I'm like, bro, if people on the right are still sending their kids to college, people with a straight face come in here, come on this show.
And they're like, yeah, mom sent my kids to college.
And I'm like, do you watch the show you're about to be on?
Do you know what is happening in your country?
Why would you advocate for that for your kids?
They'll be fine.
I guess that's the way everything goes.
will chamberlain
goes just tired of being parents for eighteen years and are looking forward
tim pool
to the breakers on the other part of the break is simple hey you're eighteen get
a job move out but in the part you gotta go to college to do that
i'm not but but that this is the point when use when you have people on fox and conservatives
saying you know i think it was So that they didn't look racist with the Kyle Rittenhouse thing.
They said, well, the Kyle Rittenhouse thing proves that justice is served and the Ahmaud Arbery thing proves that we all believe in true justice.
No, the right caved on the Ahmaud Arbery stuff because they don't want to look racist because many Republicans are more worried about the opinion of the New York Times than their own constituents and whatever else is, you know, they're worried about with big media.
seamus coughlin
Yes, which is why conservatives do not stand up for their own values, and which is why we are in a situation where if you are in favor of the grooming bill, there are zero social consequences.
But if you're against it, you could potentially lose your job, depending upon who your employer is, depending upon whether they're offended by that perspective.
People are too afraid to speak out against the abuse of children because they don't want to lose their job.
That's insane.
And the last time I was on the show, I was talking about this and I was very pessimistic, but I want to say this.
If you're an audience member who's watching this, I believe in you.
I think you have the opportunity to speak out against this stuff.
You should.
And I think you're going to do it.
I think the people watching this show are going to get fed up with this stuff, as fed up with it as we are, and they're going to be bold about it.
And I really hope you are.
tim pool
It was a couple of years ago, we were talking about how you need to stand up against the wokeness because they're literally burning down cities.
People are dying.
And we kept hearing people saying, yeah, but I'll lose my job and I have kids.
Okay, well now the issue has escalated to the point where they're grooming your kids in these public schools and people are like, but I'll lose my job.
And it's like, okay, dude, look, if you are okay with your kids being at these schools where you know they're grooming them because you don't want to lose your job, then I don't think I need to advocate for any of this stuff to you because you're not interested in actually making things better.
I understand life's hard, but the crazy thing to me is that people once got on a boat For three months to come to a barren shoreline and many of them died just because they were like this I need a better life for my kids and now people are like
I don't know what I would do if I lost my job.
Well, like Seamus said, there's other jobs out there.
There's a path forward, but more importantly, I guess, maybe it's easy for me to say I don't have kids, and that's what everyone says, but I've asked this question of everybody.
Would you rather have a job and know that your kids spend eight hours a day with a groomer, or be homeless with your kid, not knowing where your food's coming from, and everyone always says, homeless with my kid, not knowing where my food is coming from?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So, that's it, right?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's true.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
I mean, it's, like, but, you know, this is why we need laws, right?
Like, because, ultimately, you know, people need to be able to work.
Like, part of, like, what we're all trying to build on the right, I assume, is a world, again, where you can, people can sustain a family on a single income.
People can, like, not necessarily, like, not necessarily have to do child care.
And I think one of the basic, the basic functions of public education, especially, you know, those early ages where you're talking, like, five to ten, is child care.
Like, that's a basic function that the state is performing.
So that people can go off to work and not have to stay home with their kids.
seamus coughlin
I want to mention one more thing.
So I want to mention this because on last show when we did talk about this I said I was a little bit blackmailed and I was saying that there are people who really will watch the show and think about these ideas but they're too afraid to talk about them and reading the comment section it turns out there are a lot of people who insist that they are talking about these things in real life and at their work and I just You know, I really want to commend them because I know that's very difficult.
I know it's very difficult to do and I genuinely have faith in this audience that if you're watching this and you don't usually talk about this stuff, you have to and I really believe you can and will.
ian crossland
It sends out shockwaves when you communicate concepts.
You see it reverberating through our collective consciousness.
tim pool
We're gonna talk about Republicans.
How about this?
We have this tweet from Poster Tubs who says, And here you can see it says, um, it just says, Latinks.
Here's the best part.
Latinx, latinx, in government documents you can't make this up.
And here you can see it says, it just says, latinx.
Here's the best part.
Take a look at this from, this is from STL Tribune.
Conservative group shares misleading video of Utah Governor Spencer Cox listing his pronouns.
The Zoom call was part of a town hall with high school students last spring.
Say, in April 2021, Zoom call of Spencer Cox, Republican, listing his pronouns during a town hall for high school students has spread on social media, after a conservative group shared an edited version of it.
How is that misleading?
It's literally him sharing his pronouns.
They go on to say, the original 30-minute Zoom call was part of the one Utah student town hall held last year, where Utah high school students asked the Republican governor questions about the state's COVID-19 response.
The edited video makes it appear the governor listed his pronouns right after introducing himself.
The statement is followed by the added sound of a sad trombone.
During the town hall, one student from Tuakon High School for the Arts in Irvins listed her pronouns when called upon to ask the governor a question.
She then asked what his plans were to boost mental health services in schools, citing a survey that found gay and lesbian youth face a higher risk for depression.
Well, thank you so much for that question, and my preferred pronouns are he, him, so thank you for sharing yours with me.
How is it misleading to show that he literally did that?
unidentified
He did.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
Because any, like, any real Republican would just be like, okay, and then not list their pronouns.
will chamberlain
Right, uh, misleading.
Sorry, again, this is a new redefinition.
Misleading is something that makes a progressive look bad, regardless of whether it's truthful or not.
seamus coughlin
Exactly!
will chamberlain
Right, so like, that used to be... I understand this actually has some reasonable, like, heritage in English common law.
It took a while before, like, truth was a defense to libel claims, right?
Like, that was some... Yeah, that was actually... Alexander Hamilton litigated that case, where he was the first, or was a lawyer who finally won the argument in American courts.
That's like, Hey, I guess we have this first amendment now, which means
that this idea that libel doesn't that truth is not a defense to libel
That can't be right, right?
So but that you know, it used to be I forget what the exact exact term of it
But what it's like libel used to be just statements that embarrass someone regardless of whether or not they're true
unidentified
And you can sue for that. Yeah, you could sue for that right before this before
will chamberlain
Wow.
Like before, really before the Constitution, even in the United States.
ian crossland
I hope people realize that could happen again.
We could find ourselves in a medieval situation where you get thrown in prison for insult what someone else receives.
That's crazy.
tim pool
That's where we're going.
ian crossland
Shout out to Alexander Hamilton.
will chamberlain
Right, yeah.
tim pool
Hate speech laws.
will chamberlain
Great guy.
People really, you know, I'm a big Hamilton guy as opposed to a Jefferson guy.
Like Hamilton actually like saw what, you know, Jefferson basically wanted us to be an agrarian slave society.
You know, I mean, he didn't like slavery that much, but he wanted that, and Hamilton was the guy who's like, no, actually, you know, we should have a really powerful country, in general.
Like, America should be strong.
tim pool
Well, so going back to the main story, though, this is just another very common and typical erosion among Republicans who give in immediately because they're spineless.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, I mean, I usually joke that name a more useless Republican than Mitt Romney, right?
I love that tweet because everybody engages with it and lists more useless Republicans.
What's going on with Utah, guys?
This is a red, red state and we have this whack-a-doodle liberal governor and a whack-a-doodle rhino senator.
seamus coughlin
Also, imagine insulting yourself on that level.
Being a man, but telling people that you expect to be referred to as he, him, as if they wouldn't otherwise know.
What a ridiculous self-own.
tim pool
If I was in a situation where, for whatever reason, they were like, you have to list your pronouns, I would absolutely just make up some really long and ridiculous word and be like, do it or don't.
will chamberlain
Fascinating thing about pronouns is it's like, it comes out when you're not there.
unidentified
Right?
will chamberlain
How often do you're like, oh he, and like, they're not in the room.
It's like, the only reason you use third person pronouns is because you're not talking to that person.
unidentified
Right.
will chamberlain
Right?
So it's like, you want to control how I think about you when you're not here.
tim pool
That's the craziest thing.
seamus coughlin
Which is, you're right, you're actually doing violence against me if you don't think about me the way I want to be thought of.
tim pool
You know Ezra Miller?
The Flash in the DC cinematic universe or whatever, or whatever it's called.
Ezra Miller came out as non-binary, so all the news articles say they them, and it's like, Butchering the English language, but it's not even that
like Ezra Miller is my understanding is not trans Like just came out said you have to call me. They them.
They're okay like I understand if there's an argument for a trans woman who is
overtly passing and It was like what Ben Shapiro was saying about Blair
It would be very difficult or take a long time to explain why we use a male pronoun for Blair white in public to his
Friends, so he would just say she her it's the easiest way to go about things, but in you know literary or in articles
He would say he him and I'm like I understand that point I understand why it is simpler just to refer to someone as she-her if they're overtly feminine, or he-him for a trans man who's overtly masculine, like Buck Angel, for instance.
But when we're talking about some guy who's like, I'm non-binary, but he's still just a regular young man, Well, you can't just tell people I have to refer to you in a certain way.
You don't own that.
You exist outside of... I exist, okay?
You exist over there, I've never seen you, and yet I'm supposed to refer to him by pronouns?
I've never even met the guy.
seamus coughlin
Well, I don't know if you know this, Tim, but as it turns out, you get to define your identity without anyone around you having consent to it, even though, by definition, your identity is how you fit into the group that you're interacting with.
ian crossland
Yeah, human society.
seamus coughlin
It's like the group that you're interacting with has absolutely no say in how you're perceived.
It's completely all up to you.
And if they disagree with that, they're just mean.
ian crossland
Until realism kicks in and the Ukrainian government's turning trans women back, because they're actually men that are now trans women, are they converted?
We need the strong muscle on the front.
I don't care how you identify.
will chamberlain
There's always something interesting.
Sometimes the pro-trans lobby, if you will, points to certain societies and says, look, there's an example of In Ukraine, a female-to-male transgender person dressed up in women's clothing and then crossed the border to escape.
is because they're so homophobic that the only way that you can delay is if you transition.
tim pool
In Ukraine, a female to male transgender person dressed up in women's clothing and then crossed
the border to escape because, I guess now, identifying as a woman, she didn't want to go
to war. And because of hormone therapy, presented hormone therapy presented as male
and would have got stopped at the border and then sent to go fight.
I find that fascinating that you have, basically, no matter what the circumstances, that you have trans women and trans men just trying to justify escape from the country in whatever way they can.
The trans women are like, but I'm actually, you know, a woman, so I should be allowed to leave, but they're not letting me.
And the trans man is like, time to dress up like a woman and say I'm a woman so I can get out of here.
Like, if you want to be a man, that comes with the pros and the cons of being a man.
Conscription has always been one of them.
But, you know, this is one of the big things that we saw at the turn of the century with the suffrage movement.
The women who opposed it were like, we don't want male responsibilities in our lives.
Which include, I believe, like the fire brigade was one issue in some areas.
Having the right to vote meant that you'd be called upon as a man to fight in the fire brigade.
seamus coughlin
They believed they could be drafted.
That was something that they feared.
tim pool
Right.
And they will be.
will chamberlain
Yeah, because it will be next time because if we have a draft, if we ever have a draft again, people are just going to identify as women to get out of the draft.
It'll be an easy form of draft opting.
seamus coughlin
That's a very good point.
will chamberlain
And so you'll very quickly have to start drafting women too.
tim pool
Did you hear about what's going on?
What is it, Pasadena?
Where is it where they're going to be giving UBI to people who are non-binary?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, so I was just thinking about that, and I was going to bring it up.
I think this is a brilliant bill for our cause, frankly, because they're only allocating about $200,000 to this program, which means they're going to run out very quickly.
tim pool
Everyone get a buck.
seamus coughlin
And it's impossible to define non-binary because it's a non-existent, meaningless term.
So a bunch of people are going to say they're non-binary to get the money, and it's going to run out extremely quickly, and people are going to see how ridiculous.
It's just going to be another demonstration of how nonsensical the modern gender theory BS is.
ian crossland
Man, my dad was a fireman growing up, and I went to the fire department in some of the early 90s.
I think I was like 12 or 13.
And there was a woman that worked there, and I was like, hey, how come there's a girl that's a fireman?
And he was like, oh, because women can be firemen, too.
And I was like, well, wouldn't she be called a firewoman?
He's like, no, they're all called firemen.
And then when I went to college, it was like, yeah, we're all actors.
Men and women, we're all considered actors.
We don't use the word actress.
It's ridiculous.
So I got it.
I mean, it doesn't really matter what you call yourself.
It's more about who you are.
And I was like, can she carry the heavy equipment?
And he was like, no, she works at the desk.
Not that she couldn't carry the heavy equipment, she trained for it.
But it was more about less what you call yourself and more what you actually are.
That's what it comes down to when the crap hits the fan, my friends.
tim pool
I've never really cared about the words people use to describe me.
It's the weirdest thing that people are like, you have to use someone's pronouns or else, but we're going to insult you and call you names all day and night.
Like, no, no, no.
You can't insult me.
I have dictated the words you must use to describe me.
That Bill 6060.
unidentified
It's that Matt Walsh point.
seamus coughlin
It's violence and abuse to misgender someone to not use the proper pronouns, but to try to have secret conversations with children about sexually depraved behaviors.
That's not grooming.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Dude, isn't it illegal in Canada to do that now?
Bill C-16?
And then they passed another one that Jordan Peterson was talking about.
I didn't look into it yet, but apparently, like, if you misuse someone's pronouns, it can be a hate speech crime.
This is insane.
Hopefully I'm not miscalculating.
If I'm miscalculating this, let me know in the Super Chats or something.
tim pool
Yeah, no, there's some bill in Canada that's, like, dictating independent media or whatever.
I think Jordan Peterson was tweeting about it.
They want to control what reporters and people with large media platforms can say.
That's where it's all headed because you saw what the CEO of Twitter said years ago, that we have to, it's about, it's not about free speech, it's about how the times are changing and we have to create a healthy conversation.
And it's just like, these people are, definition, megalomaniac, sociopath, psychos, all that stuff.
My worldview is the only worldview, my worldview is moral and just, and everyone must adhere to the way I see things.
That is psychotic behavior.
ian crossland
And sometimes it'll be the way we see things.
They'll do that cult thing where it's like me and a bunch of other weirdos that have my same mentality.
So we are stronger in numbers.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story from TimCast.com.
Palm Springs testing guaranteed income program for transgender and non-binary residents.
The program is one of several in California offering specific groups of people with subsidized income.
So let me get this straight.
If it comes to the point where trans people, LGBTQ people, minorities are getting subsidized income, that just basically means white people Pay taxes to subsidize all of the other marginalized groups?
That's the end result, isn't it?
I suppose, in reality, it's everyone pays taxes, but it only benefits one group.
That doesn't sound right.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They say, TimCastro.com reports, last month, the City Council of Paul Springs voted unanimously to allocate $200,000 to develop a guaranteed income pilot program for transgender and non-binary residents.
On March 24th, the City Council agreed to pay DAP Health and QueerWorks to design the program and apply for state funding.
Part of the three phases outlined in the City Report to bring the proposed project to fruition, California has already made a statewide commitment to provide $35 million in funding for Guaranteed Income Pilot Programs.
Like other Guaranteed Income Programs, the Palm Springs Pilot Program would provide direct cash payments to individuals to spend as they see fit.
It is set apart from some financial assistance programs that come with work requirements, etc.
etc.
I'll tell you what's gonna happen.
If you put this money up, you're gonna have a whole lot of people being like, oh yeah, I'm non-binary, sure.
How much do I make?
How much do I get?
will chamberlain
Self-government in California has always been a huge mistake, or at least in the last 40 years.
tim pool
Then who should govern it?
will chamberlain
Yeah, right, like, you know, 180 years of statehood is enough.
I think it probably needs to return to being a colonial territory.
ian crossland
Split it in half.
Do you agree with that?
California would benefit from being split in half?
will chamberlain
I mean, it depends on how you split it, right?
Like, you need to carve out... There's a lot of red Californians, right?
Probably more conservatives in California than in any other state because California is so populated, right?
So there's probably, you know, even if it's 60-40 Democrat, that's 8 million Republicans in California.
tim pool
And we can use those reinforcements in Texas.
will chamberlain
Sure, or anywhere else in the country.
In fact, that's what's happening.
A lot of them are moving.
I have so many concerns.
I'm from California originally.
I have so many Californian friends and acquaintances who are moving.
tim pool
There was a proposal that would take the western coastline, which goes from San Diego, Los Angeles, up to San Francisco, and then that would be its own state, because the rest is red.
ian crossland
I wouldn't do that.
I would want to make it half and half if I could.
Give San Francisco to the north to be the capital.
will chamberlain
Make it half and half, it's two blue states.
ian crossland
Because you have all that farm, it's two what?
will chamberlain
It's two blue states, right?
You have to take both big metro areas.
ian crossland
But it's already a blue state, isn't it?
will chamberlain
Right, but then you're creating two new Democratic senators for no good reason.
tim pool
It's not even about that.
It's that you're not solving any problems by doing it.
ian crossland
I just don't see how, like, the Los Angeles government can govern the Redwoods.
Makes no sense.
tim pool
That's why... Look, if you cut the state in half, you don't solve any problems.
You still have the Democrats who agree with the Democrats whether the state is one or two states.
You still have Republicans in certain areas being shut down and the residents of Tulare, for instance, Tulare County, being oppressed by the Democrats in the big cities and having their water taken away from them.
So if you want to actually solve the problems and restore people's rights, we tell all the people who live in these big cities, you got to be responsible for yourself and work out legitimate agreements for trade with the people who live in these marginalized communities.
But it's fascinating to me that they come out and constantly say, we must protect the marginalized communities.
But the entire structure of California oppresses the eastern desert areas, southeastern areas, and I cite to Larry specifically, because the state takes their water away from them.
ian crossland
Takes away their surface water rights.
The history of Los Angeles, the Owens River Valley is this place in northern California.
will chamberlain
Fascinating history.
ian crossland
So William Mulholland, who they named Mulholland Drive after, went and he basically got them to Sign over their water rights in the Owens River Valley.
So then he diverted their river their water.
Yeah, LA shouldn't exist as it does No, it doesn't it's from outside water sources It annihilated the lives of all these farmers in the Owens River Valley And then there was a giant flood the dam broke and all these people died It's a horrific story and that's that that's the beginning of Los Angeles as we know it today It's got it's got lush greenery and and California is a gorgeous state.
PG&E is running all those wires through the forest.
All those California fires, man, they're coming from PG&E.
They're not taking care of their power lines, so they're falling down and catching trees on fire.
will chamberlain
They spent a whole bunch of money on sustainability and not on clearing the lines around.
We've solved this technical problem for decades.
It's like PG&E just didn't spend the money on clearing out the forests around the power lines.
tim pool
I want to explain to everybody how it's going to work under this progressive utopia.
In California, I went and visited Tulare County.
I believe it's got 300,000 residents.
They have no voting power.
So, these poor migrant workers, all of a sudden, one day, their water dried up in their wells.
There was a drought, and I can understand that.
The farmers in this county weren't allowed to take surface water that they had a lot of.
I remember driving past these canals full of water, and I asked the farmer, like, hey, you got water right there?
And he goes, oh, we can't touch that.
And all the surface water goes right to the cities, because they just take it from us.
I'm like, how is that protecting marginalized communities if the wealthy elites say, we get all the water and you guys go screw yourselves?
ian crossland
We need to protect the farmers.
tim pool
Yeah, if we had an electoral vote type system, representational voting in California the way we do nationwide, then Tulare County would have more power and that would force the urban centers to negotiate with them as to what they actually give up.
Instead, the urban centers say, there's more of us than there are of you, so we get your water.
ian crossland
They're at the end of a dying nation.
Not that the United States, no.
These people who think cities are the heart of the country are wrong.
It's the farms.
And you can now learn on the internet as if you have a city, you can get stuff shipped to you.
With drone shipping and the advance of drone shipping, farms are going to become even more central.
The fact that Bill Gates is buying up all this farmland is very concerning to me.
Corporate farmland.
We're going to have to disperse that back to the people at some point.
Let's just do it peacefully.
tim pool
Let's bring it back to this story, and I just want to mention, they are extracting from the merit, and they are giving to the unmerited.
This UBI program and other programs basically say, if you produce, we will take, and we will give it to people for arbitrary reasons.
I mean, is that not socialism?
will chamberlain
Oh yeah, that's pure socialism.
But it's gonna be a miserable thing, Palm Springs.
tim pool
It's precursor socialism, I guess is the better way to say it.
It's the seeds of socialism.
ian crossland
It's the grooming process of socialism.
tim pool
It is.
So you have a farmer who farms and he makes food, and then eventually they come in and they say, we're taking your farm away from you, you elite, and we're giving it to all the people who work here.
And all the people who work here don't know how to farm.
And then everyone starves to death.
Or worse still, they're like, everyone melt down your tools to make pig iron.
And then everyone starves to death.
ian crossland
I think that's been done before.
Yeah.
By the Soviets.
tim pool
Hey, I got an idea.
What if we just did that?
Can we find like a town and just run someone as mayor and he can just overtly run on failed socialist Soviet policy?
Just to see how many people are willing to support him.
seamus coughlin
His name is Bernie Sanders.
tim pool
No, but I mean, like, outright being like, we need to get everybody to melt down their rakes!
unidentified
Melt down their rakes!
tim pool
And their shovels!
unidentified
This is the only developed country in the world where we don't melt down our rakes.
ian crossland
Jet fuel does not melt steel beams.
tim pool
But imagine going to, like, Brunswick, Maryland, running for mayor, and your position is, we should get everyone to melt down their metal, because we need iron for the war effort.
And then they're like, what are you doing?
It's like, I'm just being a socialist.
That's what you guys want, right?
seamus coughlin
Socialist.
tim pool
Or actually, I actually, you know, we were talking about if somebody actually did start running for office in our area.
And I was like, why, why, why is that?
Why is that funny?
People were like, hey, we should get someone that we know to run for mayor.
Wouldn't that be funny?
And I'm like, no, it would be awesome because we should be involved in politics and we should be running for office.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Do you want to do it Will?
will chamberlain
What, move out here?
seamus coughlin
With you guys?
Oh, I don't know about running out here, but run somewhere.
will chamberlain
Run somewhere.
tim pool
I mean, we'll see.
Yeah, like, why aren't people being like, I'm gonna run for mayor?
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's what I asked.
I live in Arlington, so, like, I would lose.
ian crossland
John asked her.
will chamberlain
I mean, when I move to North Carolina, we'll talk about it.
seamus coughlin
With that attitude, you would lose.
tim pool
Just run as a Democrat.
Run as a Democrat who opposes critical race theory.
See how well you do.
will chamberlain
Right, yeah.
No one would go digging in my Twitter history.
ian crossland
That wasn't me!
will chamberlain
Delete my Twitter. Wait a minute. John Astor. That wasn't me.
ian crossland
The John Astor went to New York City and then built Astoria.
He built a city, part of the city, and then just named it after himself.
Like, that's the way that's that's cool, because then, you know, where everything is
and you have control of, like, the layout and stuff like that.
You can do it right from the beginning.
tim pool
You know, we should do we should we mentioned it before.
We'll make a coffee shop called the Coffee Beanie.
But then at 7pm every night, the sign flips over and it says Ian's Palace.
And then all of, like, the counters and everything spin around and changes into an entirely different building.
unidentified
Ooh.
tim pool
Wouldn't that be cool?
ian crossland
We're on the verge of, like, graphene pipes.
I don't know if technology's good enough to replace copper piping, but copper rusts and then you get copper oxide in your water, it's really bad for you and your skin.
tim pool
Yeah, polyvinyl chloride, man, what do you mean?
Good ol' PVC.
will chamberlain
I'm lost.
ian crossland
If we're going to build a city from the ground up, I want to avoid copper piping.
tim pool
I don't know if... It's really nasty.
will chamberlain
I mean, in Crosslandia, or Crossland, whatever.
seamus coughlin
What about like a denser metal?
Maybe something lead-based?
ian crossland
Lead?
tim pool
That's denser.
ian crossland
I think lead's not a good idea.
tim pool
And then after we lay it, we'll complain to the government and we'll talk about the poor children of Ian's Palace suffering.
And we need the government to subsidize the replacement of these pipes that we built.
ian crossland
What would you do at Ian's Palace the first night?
seamus coughlin
If I was saying Ardeen's Palace, it depends what kind of establishment is this.
Would I even be there in the first place?
What kind of seedy nonsense you got going on over there at Ardeen's Palace?
ian crossland
I can't do it without you, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
I mean, no, what's going on?
What's going on?
This place is going to be G-rated if I'm there.
ian crossland
I'm into it.
seamus coughlin
All right, perfect.
So what are we serving?
What kind of whiskey?
Well, all right.
DMC.
ian crossland
You said G-rated.
tim pool
G-rated.
ian crossland
No, no, I'm not into psychedelic drugs.
Caffeine.
Psychoactive drugs now.
tim pool
Ian's Palace, you'd think it was like a lounge, but you'd go in there and it would be just a bunch of people hooking and talking about graphene.
ian crossland
We're trying to figure out how to map inflation.
If you can redefine the second, what is it, the ideal gas law?
PV equals NRT.
Pressure equals volume times temperature.
You can then add some sort of expansionary variable to that so that you can get... Like right now, when a system inflates, Is anyone listening to me right now?
seamus coughlin
No, I'm listening, I'm listening.
ian crossland
We're waiting to see where you're going with it.
When a system inflates, it just goes out and in, and that's the ideal gas law.
It explains how to get water out of a system, but it doesn't explain fusion.
tim pool
What's that hand gesture you're doing?
ian crossland
The heat that you're getting in the system that causes it to expand is causing it to expand faster, which causes more friction, which causes more heat to enter the system to expand faster, and then you get inflation, which is why you have fusion.
But people haven't mathematically written that out yet, and someone out there is going to do it.
unidentified
Well, alright, let's talk about politics.
tim pool
We have this tweet from Chris Hayes.
He says, was just checking on what happened in the 1946 midterms as the nation readjusted
after a historic society-wide disruption and inflation was 8%.
Don't Google it.
So I Googled it.
Yeah, of course.
And we found that the 1946 election resulted in Republicans picking up 55 seats to win
majority control.
Well, times they are a-changin'.
It's very different these days, the parties represent very different ideas, but I think it is fair to say, yeah, I mean, maybe that much.
Could you imagine if we get blindsided by a Republican supermajority in the House?
How many seats would they need to win for a supermajority?
will chamberlain
Well, there's no such thing as a House supermajority, right?
It's 50-50.
Right, whoever gets 50% plus one can vote.
It's a Senate supermajority would be 60, I think, or 61.
No, 60.
And I don't think that's even conceivable given the map.
seamus coughlin
So, how many seats do you guys think the Republicans are going to need to pick up to keep not doing anything?
unidentified
Probably all of them.
tim pool
I'm being a cynic.
all of them. You know, but hold on, hear me out. If the Republicans actually are able...
seamus coughlin
I'm being a cynic. I'm being a cynic. I'm optimistic.
tim pool
Let's be real. If they're able to pick up like 55 seats and just change the shape of the House
representatives, then they'll probably do nothing. Yeah, no.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, they're not going to be able to do anything meaningful because Biden's going to
veto it, right?
We're still gonna have a Democratic president until 2024.
tim pool
They can impeach him.
seamus coughlin
I don't know, I could see him actually.
unidentified
They could.
tim pool
They could investigate.
will chamberlain
That's what they can do.
They can do investigations now.
tim pool
They should make the January 7th committee.
will chamberlain
And I actually think, you know, I have heard whispers that Kevin McCarthy is actually gonna, like, go hard on the investigations.
And there's sort of, like, the Democrats have been I don't believe it.
him off so much over the past like two years that he's actually gonna go like
make them really pay for it a bit I don't believe it I don't know I'm just
tim pool
right here if they make the mistake of making McCarthy speaker of the house
he's gonna be like I'm gonna go after these investigations and then he's gonna
be standing tall in the moment they're like and McCarthy has he's gonna go and
unidentified
then he's gonna be like armed hard Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
That's more McConnell.
will chamberlain
I worry about it, but who knows?
I mean, it could be... I mean, that's what they're gonna do.
I think there is definitely a lot of resistance.
I heard Matt Gaetz talking about this.
There's a lot of resistance into doing what the Paul Ryan Republican House did during Obama, which was just pass a bunch of bills that they knew never were gonna go anywhere.
Subpoenas.
Yeah, subpoenas.
tim pool
Hunter Biden.
will chamberlain
Testify.
tim pool
Under oath.
will chamberlain
Lots and lots of subpoenas.
Get to the bottom of Russiagate.
Get to the bottom of Hunter Biden.
tim pool
Joe Biden.
Testify under oath.
Like they made Trump do.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
No, just embarrassing investigations all the time.
seamus coughlin
They would still call it unprecedented.
tim pool
Sure, sure.
Here's what happens.
McCarthy, primary the guy.
McConnell, whatever.
Senate.
I don't care who they are.
Just get them out.
Use primary.
Primary, primary, primary.
Across the board.
Get rid of everybody.
Bye-bye.
ian crossland
I'm looking up.
seamus coughlin
Ideally.
ian crossland
I'm trying to put my mind in the heads of people in 1946 when they did this.
It was post-World War II, so they're just getting out of this traumatic world war.
Harry Truman.
Was Truman Republican?
will chamberlain
Truman was a Democrat.
Truman had not been elected, right?
He was a vice president.
What caused all these people to get voted in?
Just the end of the war must have been such a paradigm shift.
ian crossland
A lot of the sitting leaders got thrown out of office.
these people to get voted in was it my I mean just the end of the war must have
will chamberlain
been such a paradigm I mean it real a lot of the sitting leaders got thrown
out of office right Winston Churchill got thrown out of office can I just say
tim pool
something like an election in England I don't the Democrats claim the parties
seamus coughlin
switched in the late yeah he's Yes, they claim that during the civil rights era the parties switched.
tim pool
So if the parties switched, what Chris Hayes is actually saying when he says don't Google it is that he believes Democrats are going to win?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, maybe they don't believe in party switch, I don't know.
will chamberlain
Right, right, right.
that he thinks that like the party in power is going to take a beating.
tim pool
Yeah right right right.
will chamberlain
Like basically this is this kind of stuff.
People are people are not happy and want something different.
And that I mean that happened right.
Winston Churchill literally is the guy who won the war.
The guy who's the hero of Britain and he got tossed out in a general election.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like yeah they hated him in the early days because they're like all he talks about is war.
And he's like, I'm telling you, the Germans are going to declare war.
And he's like, ah, that's silly, man.
And then finally, when the war broke out there, we need him now.
They brought him in when they won the war.
Like, we don't need him anymore.
tim pool
Peace in our time, huh?
What an amazing quote.
will chamberlain
That's Neville Chamberlain.
tim pool
Right.
will chamberlain
Right.
Yeah.
unidentified
Oops.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
That's why it's called Peace and Prosperity because they're not the same thing.
will chamberlain
I read a great book that was a fascinating take on World War II from Britain's perspective called The Phony Victory by Peter Hitchens and his basic thesis is Britain was in effect one of the losers of the war.
That Britain prior to the war had some pretensions of being a great power and post-war they were a vassal of the United States.
ian crossland
Yep.
will chamberlain
um and they better know it and they basically like found themselves in a war situation where they were basically doomed their only hope was the united states coming to save them and oddly enough franklin roosevelt and the united states managed to extract major major concessions from britain throughout that period when they were in that really difficult period in like 1940 in order to be willing to help the United Kingdom.
ian crossland
What kind of stuff?
seamus coughlin
We were still not that happy about the war.
Bases.
will chamberlain
Bases.
ian crossland
Oh, they gave us their military bases?
will chamberlain
They had military bases in Newfoundland and in Canada, and we just said, you want our old destroyers?
Our old, not very useful destroyers?
Give us your land.
Give us your military bases.
unidentified
Whoa.
will chamberlain
You know what?
ian crossland
Was it a king at the time?
Was it?
will chamberlain
Yeah, well, they had, I mean, it was, that was also, that was under Chamberlain, right?
When they were starting to do, I think, no, that was probably under Churchill when they were doing Lend-Lease.
I'm not sure.
I'm actually not sure.
tim pool
Who was the reigning monarch at the time?
will chamberlain
King George.
ian crossland
So was George signing over the land?
will chamberlain
No, I mean, it wasn't up to him, right?
It's like, at that point, it's still a constitutional monarchy with, you know, prime minister dominating.
tim pool
Technically, the king could.
will chamberlain
Yeah, but it was still, it was still at that point where it's like the, you know, the prime minister's running the government of Britain.
And so, It was on Neville Chamberlain and Churchill to make the decision.
But, I mean, they were just, they were in a terrible position.
I mean, they could, they found a way to stop a seaborne invasion by Hitler's Germany, but they had no hope.
I mean, they got kicked out of continental Europe, had to flee from Dunkirk, and the miracle of Dunkirk was that they managed to evacuate, you know, most of their forces.
And, I mean, they had no hope of trying to, you know, reconquer continental Europe.
It's funny, I've read some of my grandfather's letters from that period, before the United States entered the war, after Dunkirk, and he's doing the calculations on America entering the war, and it's just staggeringly awful.
Because at that point, the Soviet Union's not in the war against Germany, and so people are talking about the United States entering.
And it's like, that's not, they're not going, there's no way that we could possibly do this because it's just, you know, us versus Nazi Germany and we're having to invade on a seaborne invasion.
Which is crazy.
Yeah, which like, and my grandfather's conclusion was like, this would be insane.
Like, we can't do it.
tim pool
Man, I mean, if you think about it, storming the beaches was nuts.
will chamberlain
I think it would have made no sense at all had the Soviet Union not already been in the war and been, you know, grinding up the German army.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, people often forget how the communists saved the world, and then they just malign those poor Soviets.
seamus coughlin
Poor Soviets.
tim pool
But that's actually something they often say, like, Hey man, we helped in World War II!
And it's like, yeah, but you killed a ton of people before World War II.
will chamberlain
Doesn't make you the good guy.
seamus coughlin
Also forgetting the fact that they were the ones who wanted to keep working with Hitler until he betrayed them.
ian crossland
Operation Barbarossa, when the Germans went into Russia.
tim pool
They're like, hey, wait, you're not supposed to attack us.
I guess we have no choice.
I think it's funny, like, how many tens of millions of people did the U.S.
kill in the early 1900s?
Was it none?
ian crossland
I think so.
tim pool
I mean, obviously people died at the hands of the United States, but it wasn't tens of millions, right?
Well, you had the Nazis, we know what they did, and you had the Soviets, we know what they did.
And then, here we are, like, let's team up with one of them against the other?
It's the weirdest, it's the craziest thing to me that, like, they were both just extremely awful.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But then we ended up having to fight, what, 60, 70 years, a Cold War, proxy wars all over the planet, because the Soviets were very much bad guys.
ian crossland
Yep.
will chamberlain
Really?
I mean, really, it comes down to, uh, you know, the fact that Hitler declared war on the United States.
That, like, if you're looking at the, you know, there was another very fascinating bit of this book that I thought was really interesting.
There's that window between December 7th, 1941, and I think four days later, where Hitler declares war on the United States.
And Britain was freaking out because they thought we were just going to go to war with Japan.
And that's where all our resources were going to go.
That's where all the military investment was going to go, and Britain was just going to have to hold out Nazi Germany on its own.
And then Hitler declared war on us, and all of a sudden they just breathed a sigh of relief.
tim pool
Well, I mean, the US was like, we don't really need to worry about war with Japan because we've got nukes.
We need our ground forces in Europe.
will chamberlain
Your timing's wrong.
We didn't have nukes fully developed until, like, 45.
And it wasn't obvious in 1940.
41, that that was going to be like a game changer.
ian crossland
They had a meeting, Roosevelt, Stalin, and Churchill.
I think Stalin was involved too.
It might have just been Churchill and Roosevelt.
They decided that they were going to focus American war efforts.
They all agreed on Europe.
We're not going to worry about Japan until later.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, they just agreed that the United States would take the ore in Japan and that most of the American resources would go.
But I mean, we built a hell of a carrier force.
We spent a lot of money and energy on Japan.
tim pool
I think strategically, Europe was more allies and more forces to help.
If you liberate Europe, you get more assistance in the rest of the war.
will chamberlain
Right.
And I mean, I think it was ultimately a priority, I think, like over Japan and the Pacific theater.
But Japan still got a ton of attention.
tim pool
It's crazy how much Japan lost because they went to war in this way.
will chamberlain
Oh, it was a horrible, horrible decision.
They were doomed from the outset in terms of their industrial capacity.
I mean, you know, more and more nerdy stuff.
But, like, from basically, like, we dwarfed their naval production by, like, 10 to 1 just for their theater, right?
Like, we were able to also produce everything we needed for Europe and then dwarf Japan's naval production, like, 10 to 1.
And that's, it's a naval war.
Like, carriers are, you know, Carriers are everything and we just, you know, they produced maybe like six workable carriers when we produced like 50 or 60 or something.
tim pool
I mean it was just... I heard that they were on the verge of surrendering before we dropped the bombs on them.
Is that true?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
Well, I mean, they were on the, you know, it's, it's not clear which caused the surrender, which was the Russians finally declaring war on Japan or, uh, and deciding to invade through Manchuria, um, or the bombs, right?
Because the first bomb went off and they didn't, they didn't surrender.
ian crossland
And then Russia declared war?
will chamberlain
I think it was, I'm not sure of the exact timing.
They may have been deciding after the first bomb.
tim pool
It may have been a meeting of, you know, the Japanese saying like, who do we want to be occupied by?
will chamberlain
Yeah, I think it was really once the Russians invaded, I think that might have been plus the bomb, but the Russians invading was sort of like, oh, we're screwed, right?
We lose.
ian crossland
Did they organize the American government and the Russians like, we're going to drop a bomb when you invade, like we're going at them with everything?
will chamberlain
I don't remember if that was it.
I think honestly, at that point, Russia might have been opportunistic because Russia wanted a seat at the table with Japan to negotiate territorial concessions.
And so Stalin might have been kind of opportunistic of like, oh, we think this war's probably going to wrap up soon.
Let's get in on the game and ensure that our territorial claims are respected.
tim pool
Let's bring the war to a modern conversation.
We have this from Politico.
Quote, we see the storm coming.
U.S.
struggles to contain a deepening global food crisis.
Biden officials are scrambling to limit the damage from fast-spreading food shortages sparked by Russia's war in Ukraine, but they face complex political and logistical challenges.
I just want to say, I certainly, I've said it before, Putin has a lot to blame for the escalating prices.
The war, it's a tit for tat, and then all of a sudden you get sanctions.
Now Putin's saying he's not going to export agriculture unless it's to a friendly nation.
You've got the rising fertilizer costs.
All of this very much starts from this war.
However, food costs were already skyrocketing well before this war started.
Food shortages were already hitting everybody well before this war started.
I definitely think the Biden admin and the media are like, well, it's all Putin's fault.
It's like, nah, it's your fault too.
But, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you're prepared for the worst because they're saying the word famine now.
It was the French foreign minister said global famine.
The, I think it was the UN health food program said, I don't know if he said famine, but even Biden is saying famine in Europe.
Famine is the word.
unidentified
Oh boy.
will chamberlain
Well, I think it's more like famine in Africa, right?
The problem being that it's food resources in Europe are like one of, are like key to providing food in Africa.
tim pool
Right.
the surface layer. Vladimir Putin says the poorest countries are going to be impacted
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
very heavily by this global food shortage. But of course it's going to impact us very
severely. It already is. In Spain they're already food rationing. In Germany prices
are already up 20 to 50 percent. So this is the funny thing.
You know, you just had a look when I said Spain was doing food rationing.
They're doing it at supermarkets.
I want you guys to imagine this.
Imagine what your life is going to be like when you go to a supermarket and you go to get chicken and there's a sign saying only one chicken item per customer.
Could you imagine that?
I could because it happened two years ago.
We saw all of these food shortages, and our supermarkets were doing food rationing.
You'd go in and it'd say, only one beef item per customer.
I went in and I was like, I wanna get some boneless chicken wings.
They're called wangs or whatever, cause they can't call them wings.
And it was like, a big sign says, only two per customer.
So you could get like, one thing of nuggets and maybe a thing of breast, that's all they would allow.
We're seeing that happening in Europe now.
It's happening in Spain.
Germany, as I mentioned, prices are skyrocketing.
So, with the lack of fertilizer, it's not just going to be poor nations that suffer.
Oh, they're going to suffer the worst.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
But I'm very much concerned about what's going to happen here in the U.S.
What's going to happen to cities when these people who are entitled, often morbidly obese, how are they going to deal with this?
What are they going to do when they can't get the food they want?
ian crossland
Hopefully they'll be looking up on the internet how to lose weight, how to fast, because the first three or four days of fasting is brutal.
will chamberlain
But this is like, you know, this is different.
Like, you know, the COVID stuff hit our supply chain, right?
This is Europe's.
tim pool
No, it's our supply chain.
We get a ton of our fertilizer from Russia.
Most of our fertilizer comes from Russia, and fertilizer costs for American farmers is up 300%.
That's fair.
will chamberlain
I didn't realize that was a fertilizer problem.
tim pool
And not to mention fuel costs, too.
But it also means, what will the Biden administration do for Europe?
Biden's already talked about taking our food and giving it away to other countries.
So we are going to be strained on this one.
Now the worrying thing is, people in big cities.
LA is so massively dense and the people who live in these dense populated areas.
They don't make food They you got the house after house after house isn't maybe a small garden But these people aren't gonna be able to sustain themselves in these big cities.
What are they gonna do now?
I don't think the apocalypse is coming I don't think it's gonna be like come November you go in the supermarket There's people punching each other for one can of beans maybe at some point in the next few years depending on how fit how bad things can get but it's gonna be like The way they're describing it is food costs going up 40% by the end of the year.
With inflation on top.
ian crossland
Last night I had a dream that I went, I saw the owner of the old restaurant that I worked at in LA.
I saw her and I was like, do you own this restaurant?
She went, yeah, and I'll get some food.
I sat down to get like a Reuben sandwich and it was $100 in the dream.
And I didn't think like, uh oh, I haven't been thinking about inflation lately, but that just like lightning struck my brain.
tim pool
Dude, we went out to get breakfast out here and for like five people, it was like a hundred and something dollars.
And we went to a diner.
We didn't go to like a crazy place.
Prices were nuts.
will chamberlain
I mean, prices, you can even just go to the grocery store, try and buy a pound of ground beef, it's like seven, eight bucks, easy.
tim pool
There's a little barbecue shack by us, and last year, they stopped selling brisket.
And the guy said it was because it was too expensive.
He's like, there's no point trying to sell a $20 serving of brisket, no one will buy it, and then I'm on the hook for it, so I just won't buy it at all.
ian crossland
Do you guys think that- You will eat bugs!
tim pool
You will live in the pot!
ian crossland
You think factory farming is a sin against God?
will chamberlain
Well, I'm not religious, so we'll start there.
That's a Seamus question.
ian crossland
I was going to ask Seamus next.
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure how you're defining factory farming.
I believe there are ways that are more or less ethical when it comes to how we treat animals.
ian crossland
I was taking the stink bugs out of my room and throwing them outside, and they were dying in the freezing, and I asked God, am I going to burn in hell for killing these things?
And he said, you're going to If I'm going to judge you for anything, it's for factory farming.
And it was like, all of you.
It was the statement of like, the human race will be judged harshly for what you're doing to the animals in factory farms.
I believe it.
If there is a God, that he'd be pissed, or it would be not happy with the disunity and the disorganization of how we've corralled these things, stuck them with antibiotics to overgrow them and just suck their blood.
tim pool
But listen, listen.
I mean, I will agree with you to a certain extent, just in a basic human moral position that We do bad things in the name of profit to maximize how much food we produce.
And now we have very, very cheap food and very, very fat homeless people.
So there is definitely some weird disconnect going on with our food economics.
At the same time, we need mass production of food to feed people so they can live.
ian crossland
I'm into stem cell food.
tim pool
Have you guys looked at... Well, I don't want to change the subject.
ian crossland
Maybe on the after show.
will chamberlain
Let's operate with the assumption that we don't have it right now, should we continue.
I mean, and I think, you know, it's not... Ultimately, it's not the chicken and beef that are making people fat, right?
seamus coughlin
It's the sugar and the carbs.
unidentified
Twinkies.
ian crossland
Yeah, corn sugar.
tim pool
The corn industry is like... You know what it was for me?
So, Michaela Peterson talks about how just switching to an all-meat diet.
It's not so much that the all-meat diet is good for you, but that it's an elimination diet.
So when I cut out carbs, I cut out bread, too.
And then I've been having some food and then testing.
It turns out when I eat no gluten, my whoop recovery rate is through the roof.
When I have bread, it drops.
So I'm like, that's it.
Bread's done.
ian crossland
We had that same conversation last night.
Yeah, exactly.
So when you when you do an all meat diet, yeah, that's good.
You're getting your B vitamins.
You're getting it.
But it's all the stuff that you're cutting out.
The sodium benzoate, the crappy preservatives that they don't even put on the label that they call natural flavors, you know, that they get from like a dissected bug or something.
tim pool
You know what?
You know what I ate today?
Out in the yard, we have chives everywhere.
Everywhere.
It's amazing.
They taste so good.
It's nuts.
You can pick them right off the ground and eat them.
I prefer to wash them, so I don't do that.
But literally, we walk outside and just grab a big thing and just tear it off and then chop it up, threw it in some farm-fresh ground beef we got from a farm down the road.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
Man, that was... that's good eating.
I bring this up because when you look at places like L.A.
or New York, what are they going to do when food is harder to come by?
ian crossland
There was a movement to start growing vegetables in the berm area of L.A.' 's streets.
I don't know if you guys saw that.
There was a guy pushing for it four or five years ago.
tim pool
Oh, like the middle of the streets where they have the planters?
ian crossland
Yeah, between the sidewalk and the road.
tim pool
You know why that won't work?
ian crossland
Because people will just take it.
tim pool
No, because it would fall on the ground, rot.
ian crossland
And then bugs come, yeah.
Bugs and rodents.
tim pool
All over the streets, it would be a disaster.
ian crossland
But if you could upkeep it, like you could, the homeless people, you could give them money, that's a job incentive program, to upkeep the gardens and just have like city gardens.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, homeless people aren't... Or anybody, really, that wanted a job.
will chamberlain
The problem is not...
Yeah, that's Shellenberger, right?
He's really good on this.
The problem with homeless people is not the lack of a home.
ian crossland
I shouldn't even just say homeless like that.
That's a they need or want that.
It's anybody that could use a job.
That could be a type of job as local farms, road farms or whatever you want to call them.
unidentified
But they are going to run out of food if they don't.
will chamberlain
I don't know.
I mean, like, most of those sort of, like, urban gardening type things are not, don't make sense in terms of scale, right?
The problem, I mean, you, they just don't understand how big, like, the farms that actually feed us really are.
They're massive.
And when you're talking about these small, tiny little urban plots, it's like a, you know... Yeah, exactly.
seamus coughlin
And like the most population-dense part of the country.
will chamberlain
It's just a trivial contribution to the overall food supply.
I like rooftop gardens, but... They're cool, they're just not that meaningful in terms of increasing the food supply of a city.
seamus coughlin
It could like supplement your groceries, basically.
ian crossland
But if everyone does it.
I mean, it's a big ask, I know.
Grow your own food. I mean, it's kind of like duh looking back and be like they didn't used to grow their own
tim pool
So what I was reading one article that said people should expect to be spending about a thousand dollars a month for
groceries What what is do we know the average spend for a family per
month on groceries? I can look that up because
For me, I don't I don't have a good barometer of a high grocery grocery cost because when we buy groceries
We buy it for the whole office, which is like 30 people So we spend a lot restocking everything for everybody
But I'm wondering what the average person is spending per month on groceries.
ian crossland
So, according to 20...
seamus coughlin
According to 2020 data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, that works out to $412 per month is the average cost.
tim pool
So at least one article I was reading was saying expect your food costs to be over $1,000.
lydia smith
I read that people should budget an extra $5,200 per year for inflation starting now.
tim pool
So an extra $500 or so bucks for food costs.
Yep.
We got this story from USA Today.
Get ready to spend more at the grocery store.
Food prices are expected to soar.
USDA predicts.
seamus coughlin
So here's the thing.
On top of the economy being in absolute shambles and people being more panicked about their ability to access food for the first time than they've ever been in our lifetimes, this complete disaster, the Democrats decide, you know what?
On top of this, you know what we need politically?
We need to defend grooming.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
They're like, how do we get people to stop talking about the fact they can't buy food?
Defend something unconscionable.
You're right.
ian crossland
They should be focusing on sustained local food growth.
Like as a human, it should be like a human thing that the American government should be supporting a movement to teach people how to locally grow their own food.
tim pool
And we have, we have a pawpaw season out here.
So end of September, October, there is so much pawpaw that it's just rotting everywhere.
And it's pawpaw.
It's like if you took a banana, a mango, and an avocado and mixed it all together.
So it's this like round green fruit that grows.
It's apparently hard to cultivate because only like beetles and flies pollinate the flowers, but they're everywhere.
So I was really excited to try it for the first time.
It tastes like a banana, avocado, mango just mixed together.
So you can make bread with it.
It's all over the place.
I just want to point out, man, how amazing it is when you're not in a city.
Because this is something I think city people don't realize, because I didn't realize it, and all the country people are sitting back with that straw in their mouth laughing, because they're like, yeah, there's food everywhere.
So I go outside, there's chives.
We take the chives, it makes our food taste good.
Then we have the berry season, where there's blackberries and wine berries everywhere.
You go outside for ten minutes, and you've got like two pounds of fresh berries.
And it's amazing, you can do everything with it, it's just delicious.
Obviously you need more than that.
But it's just, it's crazy growing up in a city and not realize you can just eat stuff outside.
It's just nuts.
People in cities aren't going to be able to do this.
seamus coughlin
And also people in cities unfortunately don't know where their food comes from.
And I think this is why we have folks who unfortunately think that a small garden like that can't sustain their
city or make a significant dent here.
Um...
There was a hilarious article.
It was actually a letter to the editor and I've quoted it here before on the show, but somebody basically wrote to their newspaper saying that it was offensive that they printed an article which discussed hunting because people should just be getting their food from the grocery store where no animals are harmed.
tim pool
Or I've mentioned how I got into an argument with a guy during the primaries when I was talking about how UBI would disrupt the economy and with the shortages, eventually there's not going to be any milk at the grocery store.
And some guy was like, what do you mean?
You just go to the grocery store to get the milk.
It's just there.
And then I was like, you realize it's bottled and sent there, right?
It's just at the grocery store.
seamus coughlin
What do you mean?
tim pool
These people genuinely don't realize.
unidentified
Magic.
seamus coughlin
No, they're dumb.
tim pool
Well, the dairy is harvested.
It's sent to various processing plants for a variety of things.
Cream, half and half, sour cream, yogurt, milk, all the stuff.
It has to get separated out, right?
Homogenization process.
Then it goes to bottling and packaging plants.
Then it goes to warehouse distribution.
Then it goes to stores.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, and also, I mean, people are going to point to Russia.
The political leaders are obviously the main reason this is happening is because they decided to shut down the supply chain.
Back in 2020, there were instances where there were certain foods that we had shortages of, even though that particular food didn't have a hiccup in its production or quite as much of a hiccup to lead to the proportional shortage that we were seeing.
Because the government, even though they declared food production to be essential, declared the production of items that were required for the
packaging of that food to be non-essential so the food was produced but it
ian crossland
could just never get to the grocery store oh my gosh yeah
I've been working on this company called Eden Grow Systems that's developing.
They have some NASA technology, and you can basically grow indoors, and the idea is four of these towers can sustain one person indefinitely.
But I don't know if a capitalist movement, like, buy this product.
I'm about to start using it, so I'm really excited to see the value.
Like, you can grow eggplants and stuff.
tim pool
You've got to have your own garden, at the very least.
You know, when I lived in New York, there was no way to have a garden.
It was impossible.
I could have a garden box with maybe one plant and maybe have like a tomato, but that's, that's, that's, that's nothing.
That's why I'm like, you know what?
People who live in the cities, you do your thing.
Look at this story we got from Raw Story.
Iowa's bird flu death toll tops 13 million.
This is, there's a pandemic happening among chickens, but it means eggs will be more expensive.
It means chicken meat's going to be harder to come by.
And we already saw the chicken wing shortage during the pandemic.
Likely to, likely to happen again, especially with the global food shortages that are coming.
ian crossland
That's why I brought up stem cell meat.
I believe that we're headed towards a future where we don't eat farm animals like this.
It's going to be really, really weird.
tim pool
There's no fat in them, though.
seamus coughlin
I'm curious about this.
So, obviously, we have a picture of a chicken here, which creates the mental connection that the birds dying from this are livestock.
But how are they getting this 13 million number?
Is it chickens that are dying?
It's chickens that are dying.
unidentified
I believe it's some turkeys.
tim pool
Poultry flocks in Iowa.
This has been big news.
So we've actually, we've been warned just to make sure we quarantine any chickens we get outside because we have our chickens.
We have like 50 now because we bred a whole bunch.
And so we were told by a breeder, like, any chickens you get, keep them separated for 30 days.
Which is kind of a normal thing, because you don't want to spread diseases or whatever, but right now it's fairly serious.
We got chickens.
Chickens lay eggs all the time.
It's fantastic.
We got too many eggs.
Too many.
We had, in like one week, we had 74 eggs.
I don't even know.
We just made a whole bunch of those great deviled eggs.
Those were awesome.
will chamberlain
Oh man.
tim pool
Yeah, that was great.
ian crossland
I gotta start eating more eggs.
seamus coughlin
I wonder what percentage this is of the total livestock of chickens that we have.
tim pool
It's just a lot.
seamus coughlin
No, I mean, I agree.
It's frightening.
tim pool
I'm just saying, it's things like this that are all kind of happening around the same time that are, like, pay attention to this stuff.
In 2015, a deadly bird flu outbreak resulted in 32 million birds in Iowa getting culled.
So they say, Iowa's affected birds this year account for 59% of the country's current 22.4 million total, according to the U.S.
Department of Agriculture data.
ian crossland
You know what?
tim pool
Just about 60% of our chickens!
ian crossland
This is also an indication of the danger of centralized farming.
When you have one spot... Yes, buy chickens!
tim pool
Build your own chicken city!
ian crossland
And have them far away from each other so that if one little batch gets ill, that's okay.
You should see the way they call these chickens.
If you've never seen a video of them calling chickens, it's freaking horrific.
I'm not gonna even talk about it on air because it's so disturbing.
But it involves suffocation.
So I guess I did talk about it on air.
I just feel for these animals, man.
Look in their eyes.
They're not NPCs.
There's something going on there.
tim pool
Humans eat meat.
ian crossland
I get it.
And I'm not saying we shouldn't, but there are other ways to derive your meat than growing and killing something for it.
I know that's been the way that we've been doing it forever.
tim pool
I think that's just, like, naivety, bro.
unidentified
I'm not making it just- It's not a fantasy, there's technology backing it up.
tim pool
I always liked the way the Native Americans would go about it.
You'd kill the animal and then you would basically have some sort of prayer of what you are getting from this creature whose life you've taken.
There's respect to life, but recognizing that we humans, we survive.
And we eat meat.
And I'm sorry, man.
I think humans eat meat.
That's it.
There's a lot of people who are like, humans actually don't eat meat.
I think it was mostly fish.
But humans eat meat.
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's less about the meat, more about the suffering and the sickness that comes from factory farm that I'm concerned with.
seamus coughlin
I will say this.
There is something about, you know, growing, cultivating, or even hunting your own food.
I've, you know, I don't do it often, but I have gone hunting.
And when you see the cost, when you actually kill an animal in order to get food from it, you don't waste it.
You're way less likely to waste food.
We waste food all the time because we just go to the grocery store and get it and we don't even have to consider the fact that an animal died for it.
But you understand inherently there's this lack of gratitude.
There's this disrespect in wasting food that most people never acknowledge.
ian crossland
Thank you.
tim pool
When we go out to eat, so much food gets wasted.
And what do you do?
Because I'm not talking about, like, you order a steak and half of it, you're just like, I'm not eating half that steak ever again.
I mean, like, a couple bites here and there, and that really, really adds up.
If we were actually in, like, a famine situation, nothing would be wasted.
You'd be boiling tree bark if you were starving.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, it's just like a different, I mean, it would completely change the culture, right?
Like, you read about, like, people who grew up in the Great Depression just hoarding, like, just, and not just food, right?
Stuff.
Uh, because it's like, well, you never know how you might need to use this, and it's just, it's much more common.
tim pool
When I was like, when I was 18, I was, uh, hanging out with my grandpa, and I was, I made a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with his bread, and then I saw there was mold on the bread, and then I was like, ah, I'm not gonna eat it, and he's like, why not?
And I was like, there's mold on it, and he goes, You know, or during the depression, and then he grabs it, and he just, like, just eats the whole thing, and I was like, you can at least take the mold off.
He didn't care.
You get sick from that, man.
I don't know.
ian crossland
What kind of mold was it?
Do you remember?
It was blue.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Blue mold.
Black mold's very dangerous.
Blue, green, yellow.
I think penicillin's white mold.
tim pool
Yeah, but mold's still bad.
Don't want to eat it.
But, you know, his point was, like, during the depression, they would eat whatever they could.
Eat what you can get.
You know, I hear stories about the depression.
I don't think we've seen anything like that.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
No matter how bad things have gotten.
will chamberlain
No, no.
I mean, it's hard.
It's doubtful that we would, honestly.
Like, there's a level of... I don't know.
Just, like, how developed our economy is, it's really hard to imagine something.
I mean, we forget how relatively undeveloped things were in that period in large portions of the country.
tim pool
People need to realize these systems can be knocked down very easily.
will chamberlain
I mean, you can screw them up for a longer period.
I don't know.
I guess I'm more of an optimist than you guys on that front.
You read about what things were really like in the Great Depression, and not just... I'm talking about rural areas.
Rural electrification was still not really a thing.
I think a really good book, if anybody wants to read about this, is actually in the series of biographies of Lyndon Johnson, because Lyndon Johnson grew up in Hill Country, Texas, and it was poor.
I mean, what we would consider worse than throwable poverty, poor then.
And you realize how far things have come in rural areas, especially in terms of basic infrastructure.
ian crossland
Clean water.
Clean water is a huge part of it.
South America, you could see, I went down there and I was helping clean the Amazon out, and we were with this tribe, this one tribe, or it weren't really tribes, they were just in Beilin and Iquitos, and they didn't know that poop water is bad for you, so they'd defecate in the water and then drink it, and they'd have distended stomachs, and like, not only was the education lacking, so yes, clean water, but also education.
We need to maintain access to at least maybe electricity and internet so that we can continue to educate kids properly, I think, maybe.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe we need some kind of a way to just get things to go back to baseline so that we can kind of figure out how much food people really need.
ian crossland
Yeah, but you're talking about like a reset or something.
tim pool
Yeah, a great reset.
A big resetting of the whole global system.
will chamberlain
Really be great if nobody owned anything.
Yes.
seamus coughlin
I would be happy.
will chamberlain
It would be much easier to move things around.
tim pool
You should be happy.
unidentified
Yeah.
will chamberlain
I would be happy.
ian crossland
Yeah, you could spin up a corporation, maybe, that surrounds yourself, that's surrounded around that idea.
tim pool
Maybe we can do some kind of organization about, like, global economics, have, like, a forum.
seamus coughlin
I was just thinking that.
Oh my goodness.
ian crossland
Yeah.
A world forum on economics.
tim pool
A world forum on economics.
The World Forum on Economics.
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
tim pool
I think it's kind of ridiculous.
WFE.
That's a great idea.
will chamberlain
Dude, you are on to something.
ian crossland
I'm rolling.
seamus coughlin
I'm rolling a 20.
will chamberlain
Roll that dice.
Roll the 20 dice.
ian crossland
I got a 59.
Not bad.
That's one of the worst numbers, boring numbers I could have rolled right there.
tim pool
I want to make sure that, you know, we saw shortages, we saw prices increase.
I've been going to the grocery store and the prices have definitely been going way up consistently and very, very quickly.
And so my concern is, are we seeing from the media and the Biden administration fear mongering?
I don't know why they would want to do that right now, considering elections are coming up.
Are people experiencing normalcy bias and optimism bias?
Meaning it can't happen or something like that will never happen.
Right?
The optimism bias is like, no, that couldn't happen.
And the normalcy is like, well, that's never happened.
So everything's going to stay the same and I'm not gonna have to worry about it.
Or are we going to see something dramatic?
Like we've not seen in a long time, like ground war in Europe.
Fertilizer shortages.
I think at the very least we should expect to see Africa.
Starvation is going to get nuts.
ian crossland
I'm glad that Biden said the word famine because it's people like my parents that need to hear it from the authority to really start taking it seriously.
Maybe they'll buy me extra beans or something.
will chamberlain
We need peace in Russia and Ukraine.
Geez, I don't know.
There's a lot of people who want to keep the war going to drain Russia as though it's like a Cold War and we need to just drain them out in Afghanistan.
Right.
No, no, no, no.
We need peace.
We want peace between Russia and Ukraine.
ian crossland
Take it when you can get it, because in a war, if something changes with the leadership one day, that's off the table now.
Like if some psycho, not that Putin's not, I'm not saying he's a psycho, but some real genuine psycho, like if Putin gets assassinated and some crazy oligarch gets a hold, you may never see an option for peace again.
tim pool
I think, you know, once we have the peace, everyone should just not own anything and be happy.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I would say so.
unidentified
I mean, yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
And then there's like someone who tuned into the show for the first time.
Like, I hear a lot of good things about this Tim Pool guy.
unidentified
I don't want to watch this show ever again.
tim pool
All right, let's pull up these super chats.
If you have not already, we implore you, smash that like button.
Do it for Ian.
He needs those likes.
Ian goes to bed, and he's like, we didn't get enough likes, man.
He cries, and then we gotta deal with it.
It takes half an hour.
seamus coughlin
And it keeps everyone up, too.
ian crossland
You can hear me crying?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you cry loud through the whole night, bro.
ian crossland
I'm sorry, I thought my walls were soundproof.
seamus coughlin
No, they're not, though.
tim pool
Seamus gets angry.
seamus coughlin
I get mad.
tim pool
Just hitting people.
seamus coughlin
I start screaming and punching the walls.
ian crossland
Seamus-shaped fist holes in the wall.
seamus coughlin
There's, like, dents coming through the wall on the inside.
tim pool
And imprints of his face in the wall from bashing his face against the wall.
ian crossland
Screaming so loud, you can see his spirit imprinted on the wall.
tim pool
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Let's see what we got here.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, NYC Adams is spending tax money on billboards in Florida.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
Really?
What about?
lydia smith
Oh, to move people back.
Yeah, to try to bring people back.
tim pool
Nice try, dude.
seamus coughlin
He should just go stand there with a boombox, man.
Come back to me.
ian crossland
Dude, states are competing for citizens.
I've never seen this before.
tim pool
Well, they're losing them.
I can believe that for sure.
Bailey and says Tim you should watch Nick Rikeda's breakdown of the Chad Reed
shooting because you missed a lot due to the media leaving out a lot of context.
I can believe that for sure. I'm sure Rikeda went through like the actual uh paperwork and legal files and stuff like
unidentified
that.
tim pool
All right.
Crayson says, if you're looking for a word to describe the left and the West in general by this point, look to your family pet.
The word is simple.
Domesticated.
Yes.
I agree.
I think that we are being domesticated.
We are being told to be children permanently.
seamus coughlin
Well, speak for yourself.
I'm not.
tim pool
You're wild.
seamus coughlin
Everyone here, I'm a wild man.
I punch the wall when Ian cries.
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
Where are the likes?
And then I'm like, Jamie, stop!
seamus coughlin
If you guys don't leave likes, and I end up having to punch the wall again, I'm not going to be able to finish tomorrow's cartoon, because my hand's going to be broken.
So please, like the video.
tim pool
All right, Nanad Srejic says, love when Will is on, but I need to know his thoughts on Star Trek.
The Malice episode blackpilled me on him.
will chamberlain
Well, I don't really watch Star Trek, so sorry.
How did it black fill me?
Is it a podcast they did with him where I said I don't really know much about Star Trek or I'm more of a Star Wars person?
tim pool
I don't know why they're concerned about you.
Michael Malice was saying Star Trek was just for nerds and he didn't like it.
Which is weird because he's such a big DC guy.
That's what it is.
First, I just want to clarify too, you know, a nerd is a reference to academia and a geek is a reference to fandom.
lydia smith
And you know the difference.
tim pool
Absolutely, of course.
Because, you know... Because you're a geek!
will chamberlain
I like spy novels.
Oh, you're both.
And spy movies.
So read John Le Carre and watch stuff like The Spy Who Came In From The Cold and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.
You won't regret it.
tim pool
Alright.
Awesome Archivist says, is it so hard to have a hobby?
Why do so many link purpose to what society demands of you?
Ultimately, these physically intangible concepts, concepts SJWs obsess over do not exist.
Sincerely, a 22 year old.
will chamberlain
Well, they need a religion substitute.
That's what they need.
tim pool
Yup.
will chamberlain
That's exactly what it is.
They need a religion substitute.
I think Marc Andreessen maybe said something smart today where he's like, the best way to have a religion indoctrinated in schools is to just not call it a religion.
And then all of a sudden you can do it.
tim pool
Andrew L says, Tim, in your monologue today you mentioned having a deep freezer and how the food could last forever.
What about an extended power outage?
seamus coughlin
So we have a hamster that runs in a wheel and it charges the generator.
tim pool
It's a big hamster.
It's a giant hamster.
We spent decades doing genetic engineering to make a big enough hamster to power a deep freezer, and we got it.
lydia smith
His name's Melvin.
unidentified
Bof.
will chamberlain
Well done.
tim pool
Melvin.
lydia smith
Melvin, yeah.
tim pool
So we have here, that is, true facts.
There is an issue if the power goes out, and it has.
It's a deep freezer so it will last for a decent amount of time without thawing out and there are things you can do to check like you put like some you know a piece of ice in it and then if you come back and you get a flat disk of ice you know that it melted and refroze but um we are getting solar installed and at the new facility we have an obscene amount of solar power because we want to be independent which means we're going to have satellite internet we're going to have solar power We have an insane amount of batteries, so the whole facility can be powered for, like, a week or longer if there's no sun at all.
Like, let's say there's just, like, storms for a week straight and the power goes out.
We will still have power for, like, a week.
And then we have well water, obviously, and heavy-duty filtration systems, so... Yeah.
Not because I think that the world will end, but because I'm concerned that sometimes snowstorms hit, and then the power goes out, and you should just be able to take care of yourself.
ian crossland
Just thinking, could we cover that deep freezer with blankets if the power were to go out to hold the cold inside?
tim pool
It's a deep freezer.
It's already insulated.
ian crossland
So there's no more added insulation we could add to help it?
tim pool
I don't... I'm sure you could put in a vacuum or something.
I don't know.
Considering that it's insulated, when we had a fuse go out, and it was out for a while, everything was still deeply frozen.
I mean, when you take meat out of the deep freezer, it's hard to thaw.
You know.
ian crossland
I guess we just put a lock on it so if the power goes out, it locks.
You don't want fools going in there and pulling out.
tim pool
We have a bunch of these batteries.
You can't see them, but they're all over the studio.
They're these huge batteries.
What are they called?
EF Delta?
Is that what it's called?
ian crossland
Those are great.
tim pool
Yeah, they're fantastic.
And we were doing a show once when the power went out.
And then we have the tech crew come and they plug all these things in.
And now we have a really big one, too.
So we have backup power for days!
Alright.
Roger Sheck Snyder says, love Seamus and Freedom Tunes.
seamus coughlin
Thank you so much.
will chamberlain
Don't we all?
Don't we all?
seamus coughlin
I'm so glad to hear that.
Well, for those of you who are not familiar with who this Seamus is or what Freedom Tunes are, go over to Freedom Tunes, youtube.com slash freedom tunes.
Hit subscribe, hit the bell.
We're uploading a cartoon tomorrow.
I love you so much.
tim pool
Cigars and Sig Arms says, can we just go back to the days where He-Man and Orko warned kids about the things groomers would do to children and told them to tell their parents or police officer if it happened to them?
seamus coughlin
Deeply homophobic cartoons.
unidentified
They would be like, don't tell your parents what we're doing.
ian crossland
If someone talks, I mean, I would love to do that.
I think it's important for kids to know if someone touches you in a place that you're not comfortable that you scream and you push them away.
lydia smith
That's what my parents taught me.
seamus coughlin
And of course, if an adult says anything to you that they tell you not to repeat to your parents, you immediately go and repeat it to your parents.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
That was some good acting, Ian.
You had me fooled for a minute.
But the cast castle has to get in the right cake to break the time loop that was some good acting Ian you had me
seamus coughlin
Fooled for it. Oh, did they release that today? Oh, that was up a couple days ago. That was a couple days
tim pool
It was funny.
So basically, Ian comes down, there's a cake, and then he gets mad.
will chamberlain
The cake is a lie!
tim pool
But then Ian storms off, and then Seamus is like, I can't believe we thought he'd liked it.
Let's try again.
Pulls out another cake, goes, hey Ian!
And Ian walks down all happy like nothing happened.
ian crossland
Brilliantly directed by Seamus Cogman.
seamus coughlin
Why thank you.
Look, I wasn't the only one.
A lot of talented people involved with this shoot.
tim pool
Matthew Hammond says, can we get North Carolina Lieutenant Governor Mark Robison on the show?
He recently had to call out a political cartoon in a local newspaper depicting him a black man in a Klan outfit that was drawn by an eighth grade social studies teacher.
unidentified
Wow.
will chamberlain
Dude, that video, he is, that guy's hilarious.
He did that whole speech of like a prophet where he's like something like, we need to start teaching people, children to read and not teach them how to go to hell.
tim pool
I mean, I'd be Don M on the show.
seamus coughlin
I just want to mention this, as someone who does make political cartoons, albeit animated ones, the person I don't like wearing a Klan's hood is the laziest, most overused trope in political cartooning.
It doesn't shock me that, what, did it say it was an 8th grader who drew this?
Of course.
tim pool
No, it was an 8th grade teacher.
seamus coughlin
Oh, it was an 8th grade teacher!
Wow!
Okay, even better.
tim pool
With the cognitive faculties of an 8th grader.
seamus coughlin
Of an 8th grader, apparently.
tim pool
Yep.
Alright.
Reinegan says, if public schools had a system to let kids get baptized, take communion, and go through confirmation, with protocols to hide this from parents, they would call it religious grooming in a heartbeat.
unidentified
Absolutely.
will chamberlain
Yes.
tim pool
That is true.
Yep.
will chamberlain
Yes.
tim pool
All right.
Dudley Deplorable says, back in the 50s and 60s, we had a grooming teacher.
His activities were known, nothing was done.
Children taught children to protect themselves.
Had to edit to get past the AI.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Morgan H says, the left says you hate gays because they are used to slinging insults saying racist, homophobic, etc.
The right flinched, but they're not flinching anymore.
Well, there you go.
Just Bill says, I listened almost daily, so I thought I should contribute.
Hey, thanks very much, Just Bill.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
tim pool
Logan Angel says, have you guys heard about Oregon's, is that L-I-P?
IP 13?
It would make basically anything involving animals illegal, and it's not getting enough attention.
It's disguised as an anti-animal abuse bill.
lydia smith
I heard it was about hunting.
I don't know much about it.
tim pool
They don't want you to have your own animals.
will chamberlain
I wouldn't trust the Oregon legislature over everything, so I assume any of their bills are bad, right?
It's just a lefty legislature.
tim pool
Alexander Roscoe says, at 17 in high school, I came out to my woke teacher.
One night, she took me across state lines from New Jersey to Philadelphia's gayborhood to show me gay culture.
When we got back, I was told not to tell my parents.
Creepy.
ian crossland
I hope you did tell them.
seamus coughlin
That is extremely creepy.
I hope you told them.
ian crossland
That's wild.
seamus coughlin
Seriously.
will chamberlain
If that happened, yeah, that's horrifying.
tim pool
Another cat says, cats don't mind grooming.
ian crossland
That's what I'm talking about.
tim pool
They groom themselves.
Some dogs are not fans of getting groomed, you know.
All right, what do we got here?
Dolphin Seaweed says, who pooed in Ian's cereal this morning?
That man seems like he needs a hug.
I completely agree with you.
I don't see this as a joke or funny, and the right is reacting, not being proactive at all.
Did you do something, Ian, about your cereal?
ian crossland
I have been in kind of a tense mood today.
Thanks for calling that out.
Just in general.
What is this?
tim pool
SmileMore says, Ian is spot on.
Bill Gates wanted to use haptic feedback, sensors, iris scanning as part of Common Core.
Parents found out and fought like hell to make sure it did not happen.
ian crossland
Good job.
Get ready to fight over and over and over and over again as they continue to attempt to indoctrinate humans into the metaverse.
tim pool
In 10 years, the LGBTQ Communist Republican Party is going to be like, it's a slippery slope with the metaverse and we don't agree to it.
ian crossland
Then 10 years later, it's going to be the metaverse Republicans arguing in hyperspeed metaverse language about some other... You'll have nine-year-olds that are making more money than their parents and then they'll start donating to campaigns and the politicians are going to be given over to these metaversions.
tim pool
Lunar Transport says, does all this talk of conversion and grooming mean that homosexuality is a learned behavior?
Wasn't at the talking point that you are born that way.
I think there is a dissonance of messaging here.
Yeah, that's been obvious for the past several years.
will chamberlain
I mean, isn't it like a little, I mean, there's a nature component and a nurture component.
That's my understanding.
ian crossland
I think so.
tim pool
Well, now, now they're saying, uh, many leftists are saying, not all of them, but a lot of them, that if you are attracted to women, but won't sleep with a trans woman, you're transphobic.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So like Jazz Jennings, his brother recently came out and said that he is heterosexual, but because trans women are women, he would be attracted to them.
And I'm just like, doesn't that mean you're bisexual?
ian crossland
Exactly.
tim pool
I don't understand why there's an aversion of bisexual people to claim they're not, they're just heterosexual.
ian crossland
I don't, I still, I ask this question often, like, what makes a person gay?
Is it the actual act of sex with someone of the same sex?
Or is it the desire and without ever doing the action?
tim pool
Depends on who you ask.
Because, uh, I've been told by, you know, friends of mine who are gay that it's the emotional connection they have.
ian crossland
That's what I feel like it would be.
tim pool
Yeah, because they're like, they're people who are, who are extremely, what's the right word?
Just like, Going to dungeons and doing crazy things with weird, like if a guy's dressed up like a horse and like another guy is like a fairy godmother, you know, what are you doing?
And so their view of things is it's about emotional connection.
But if that's the case, like, that doesn't make sense because bisexual implies it is sexual.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
What sexual orientation is being sexually attracted to fairy godmothers?
unidentified
They'll make one up, I don't know.
tim pool
If you Google it right now, I bet you find it.
Fairy godmothers.
They watch, like, Cinderella, and they just have it paused in that one scene with the fairy godmother.
Well, hey man.
ian crossland
Or Magicphile or something.
People that get down with wizards.
unidentified
Fairy godmother.
ian crossland
Magiciophile.
tim pool
They have, like, they hire someone to dress up like Albus Dumbledore.
Harry Potter?
unidentified
You're a wizard.
All right, all right, all right.
tim pool
Free Men Die Free says a 4chan user years ago accurately described in great detail how the alphabet community would be used to push Tito Acceptance.
I have the screenshots and they're spot on.
Interestingly, there was a bunch of people trying to push LGBTP.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
And the left claimed it was a hoax campaign.
But these people are serious.
They've been serious.
They call themselves MAPs.
Minor Attractive Persons.
will chamberlain
There was a Slate article, right?
Slate published an article by a MAP, quote unquote, a pedophile being like, actually, you know, it's just a sexual orientation.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
And this goes without saying, all right, but we have this Republican using the term latinx.
No one ever used the term MAP unironically.
In fact, don't even use it ironically.
Just call them pedophiles.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
Well, there it is, you know.
Now he's using his pronouns.
That's why I don't trust the Republican Party.
Because unless, you know, even if you do primary people, you don't know who you're gonna get.
You can trust that they're gonna be good, and they're gonna do all the right things, and as soon as they get in office, there you go.
Keep voting them out, they keep coming in.
Shane Parr says, Tim is a father of four children.
I just have to say that I am with you 100%.
If people don't start standing up for their values, they're going to lose their kids and jobs anyway.
Good people can't remain silent.
Let's elaborate on that.
When I ask the question, you're a father with children, you're a mother with children.
Would you rather have a job, knowing that your child is being groomed eight hours a day, but at least you have money, and you're secure, or be homeless with your child, not knowing where your food comes from?
Now, let's say you opt for, I'm okay with my job and these people grooming my kids.
Are you then okay when someone comes to you and they have your kid in a child drag show and when you complain, child services comes and takes your child from you?
ian crossland
That's what happens if you wait around.
If you don't take action, someone else is going to take it for you.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
It's not as if the left wins one of these.
You know, they further degrade our culture and then they go, we're done.
We're done.
We're just going to stop there.
Things are bad enough.
We won't make it worse.
We won't restrict your rights as a parent more so.
You gave us what we wanted.
No, it's only going to get worse.
tim pool
All right, Donnie Ronald says, fellow Utahan here, Mormons and rapid growth is what's wrong with Utah.
There is a lot of business here in Utah, and unfortunately, it's attracting snakes.
Mormons?
They're religious, though.
Wouldn't they push back?
unidentified
Yeah.
will chamberlain
I mean, Mormons, that's the foundation of Utah, is the Mormon church.
Like, it's just deeply embedded in the entire upper crust of... I mean, that's where the Mormons went with Joseph Smith.
They went to Salt Lake City.
tim pool
Gino Benedetto says, I'm a Navy vet going to school for engineering.
On the back of my truck is written, what country is this?
And then, and why are the people all ugly?
I don't get a lot of hate messages, but it's hilarious to me.
Oh man, YouTube's not gonna like that one.
unidentified
That's funny.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Woosh says, Utah in here.
The state is very red, but Salt Lake City, Provo is aggressively left.
Check r slash Utah, 90% of it is absolute vitriol against any conservative.
And Provo is where that BLM guy shot the driver for no reason.
You remember that?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Someone was driving down the street, and BLM was running through the streets, and then some guy just ran up to the passenger side window and then put a bullet in the driver.
I don't ask.
I have no idea why, man.
ian crossland
Apparently there were two men were arrested in that, apparently.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
According to thedesert.com.
Deseret.com.
tim pool
SeriouslyJK says, Tim, tell us about your sweet, sweet Flash animations, please.
Um, there's not really much to tell.
I made a video game once where it was like a guy running through a factory and that was it.
There was no real story to it.
And then there was like, I made metal things that would like, you know, slam down and you had to like run under them.
And then there, there were these little, uh, little, uh, wind up guys like that munched like, I need to jump over him and that was about it And then you collect once you collect all the coins that the door would open and you could go to the next level It was it was a pretty crummy game, and then I just would copy and paste the levels and move stuff around and keep you know That's basically it that was fun those old action.
I made websites though I made a few flash websites for for some of my friends and for me and It was about it flash was fun motion tween back in flash for yeah, yeah for I started with Flash 3.
unidentified
Got a used copy of it on eBay.
tim pool
Flash, man.
seamus coughlin
Good software.
tim pool
But I started making videos because I was skateboarding, so then I started doing video editing and stuff.
So there you go, right?
Alright, let's grab some more.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Prometheus says, drop pronouns entirely.
I wonder if the Daily Wire would consider making anime potentially a biblical anime.
will chamberlain
They should it's like two points. Well there. Here's what I actually I think should be like we should just have a
general agreement So so the left does this thing where they're like gender is
a social construction, and they're saying it as though that this novel insight
It's like no that gender you literally invented the concept as a social instruction, right?
Like it it was if you go back to the 1920s and how the word gender was used
it was only used in relation to like pronouns and language right like
or gender gender terms like how in romance languages like there's
You know L and law for the prefix or whatever like you invented is a social construction
So like why don't we just realize that maybe we don't need to use pronouns on the basis of a social construction and
can said Use it on the basis of biological reality and thus always
refer to people by their biological sex What if I just call everyone it?
tim pool
You know, like, when, like, Ian's like, hey, can you hand me that?
seamus coughlin
that i'll be like will it's asking for so i want to mention this not only is gender identity and
invented term a social construct of the left foot for to try to blur the
lines between the sexes it was coined by doctor john money
i'm not sure if you guys are familiar with and he was another word you know
that were gender identity uh... and gender role and sexual orientation were all
coined by doctor john he's that guy who tortured those two kids in a killing
yes he's yes he's so basically there was a botched circumcision that
uh... occurred and there were there were there were twins there was a box
circumcision on one of them he encouraged the parents to raise the
child who had undergone the box circumcision as a girl and said that he
was going to remove this child's genitals he did they tried to raise the the
child as a girl he always knew that there was something wrong with him always
understood john money on some level and i don't know that money may well
anyway And he forced them to engage in sexual behavior as children and he snapped pictures of it.
This guy was just a child sex abuser.
He was a pedophile.
He's the person who coined the terms gender identity and gender.
tim pool
Both those individuals ended up killing themselves.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And that's where that comes from.
Carl Covert says, Greg Abbott is busing undocumented immigrants to D.C.
He signed the executive order today.
will chamberlain
But they have to volunteer.
tim pool
Yeah, if they volunteer to go.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was thinking, we talked about this before the show, that maybe it's, uh, if people were, like, coyoted across the border, that this is a way for them to be like, I want to go back, because they do have to volunteer to get sent.
tim pool
Insert name here says, Ian, SF is not NorCal.
That dumpster is North LA.
NorCal starts directly north of it, and 70% of California's water originates in the north, while 80% of the demand is in the south.
The state steals our water.
We need a separation.
will chamberlain
State of Jefferson, Southern Oregon, and like North Northern California.
tim pool
You know, they've talked about diverting the Delta to bring water down south to Southern California.
And I'm kind of just like, for a while, I was like, no, no, you can't do that, it'll destroy the bay.
And now I'm like, oh no, oh wait, it'll destroy the bay.
will chamberlain
There's a whole other issue with the Delta smelt.
It's like an environmental issue.
They have to flush tons of fresh water through the San Joaquin.
tim pool
That's a BS argument.
I went down there, I talked to a bunch of people.
I think that's just some emotional defense.
The reality is, if we actually diverted the delta water to the south for freshwater use, it would cause saltwater to flood into the bay, and that would destroy a lot of the farms in the bay area.
So, that's why you can't do it.
That's why I'm like, oh no!
Oh, they're freshwater!
Because it's brackish, because it's freshwater and seawater.
Alright, Tim Miners has split California in half, east and west.
The eastern half can be absorbed into Arizona and Nevada, problem solved.
Agreed!
So as it is spoken, so shall it be done.
will chamberlain
Terrible idea, terrible idea.
Its own state, the eastern part, which is a hard, red state.
Why would we give up the creation of a red state?
That's a terrible idea.
Two more Republican senators.
ian crossland
It'd be a powerful state with all those farms.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Someone said, Tim, people attracted to fairy godparents is a croaker, crocker sexual.
will chamberlain
Very good parents!
It was right.
ian crossland
I'm not getting the joke.
seamus coughlin
You remember Fairly OddParents?
ian crossland
No, no.
I got to look this up.
seamus coughlin
It was a cartoon in the 2000s.
tim pool
There were some memes that came out of that.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
The, if I had one meme where the dad's pointing at the nothing.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I sent that to YouTube.
So YouTube, this was a while ago, back when that meme was in vogue, YouTube hadn't sent me a 1,000 subscriber plaque, and I'd already had like 200,000 subs at this point, so I sent them a meme of that, except it was, this is where I put my subscriber plaque.
And they responded to me like, we're sorry, let's talk to you about getting your subscriber plaque.
It actually did, so it worked.
tim pool
That's a good one.
unidentified
Oh.
Oh.
tim pool
Get this.
Tim I would 100% support your coffee enterprise but only if you call it Tim
Cafe or the coffee beanie. If you need drink ideas I'd be happy to help. I was
thinking I have some really good ideas for drink ideas I was thinking like
latte, cappuccino, ice latte, get this mocha.
Mocha? No.
No frills.
Okay, I'm gonna open a sandwich shop and it's gonna have sandwich.
unidentified
That's it.
lydia smith
Have you ever tried a brevet?
I feel like you would love it.
tim pool
A brevet, what's that made of?
lydia smith
A brevet is instead of using milk, they use either half and half or heavy cream.
tim pool
Yes, I've had that before.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Cream is good.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
unidentified
Yes it is.
ian crossland
My whole life I thought that it was the sour cream that was making me fat at Taco Bell when it turned out it was the 64 ounce sodas I was drinking.
And so I thought cream was dangerous and now recently I'm just learning to love the fat.
tim pool
I'm gonna open a sandwich shop and you're gonna have like three meats, lettuce, tomato, onion, cheese, mayo, mustard.
And you pick between that.
ian crossland
Nothing else.
It'll be easier to source the stuff, that's for sure.
Keep it simple.
tim pool
Super simple, super fast.
You come in, you get a sandwich, you eat the food, you get out of there, huh?
No, no, no, no chit-chat, no nonsense, no frilly garbage on the walls.
It'll be very simple.
Real men coming in saying, I want a sandwich!
Turkey!
unidentified
Do it!
tim pool
Done!
unidentified
Boom!
tim pool
Here you go.
ian crossland
Fresh made bread.
Yeah.
tim pool
No games.
Flour and water.
Nothing else.
ian crossland
Yes.
lydia smith
Nothing else.
tim pool
Maybe a man sandwich.
That would be terrible.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm interested in getting different types of creams for the coffee.
Maybe an almond cream, a coconut cream.
tim pool
No, those are frills.
unidentified
Yeah, all the frills.
tim pool
You drink cow.
You come into my coffee shop, we have heavy cream.
will chamberlain
What about the lactose intolerant?
tim pool
No, sorry, get out.
ian crossland
Do a little peanut butter.
will chamberlain
I actually do feel like not tolerated in this house because I was looking for food and literally everything is like some sort of like dairy product.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, we put extra lactose in everything.
tim pool
We got salami downstairs.
You can have that.
will chamberlain
I can't eat salami, that's true.
I found some peanuts.
That was my big snack.
tim pool
We've got, in terms of snacks, not everything is dairy.
Well, I guess the protein bars are whey.
will chamberlain
All the protein bars are dairy.
tim pool
No, not the outright ones.
I don't think those are dairy.
will chamberlain
No, those are dairy.
I looked at them.
They all have, like, I just need some, like, Clif bars or something next time.
tim pool
Because everything's made of protein, so it's all cheese.
will chamberlain
Yeah, it's all, like, the keto stuff.
All the keto stuff is stuff that's dairy.
ian crossland
Have you been vegan lately?
tim pool
We have bacon!
will chamberlain
No, no, I mean, I just, I'm meat and But no dairy.
tim pool
We have individually wrapped bacon.
will chamberlain
Oh, I saw those.
ian crossland
They're great.
tim pool
I like the spicy one.
Spicy one's good.
Yeah, super good.
Let's read some more Super Chats.
Okay, let's see.
Let's grab a Super Chat here.
Asim Solution says, Tim, the water issue with California farmers having all the water stolen for LA is nothing new.
It was a central point in the 1974 film noir, Chinatown, starring Jack Nicholson set in the late 1930s.
Really, what was it about?
will chamberlain
Chinatown's like, I mean, I forget the like details of the plot, but it's sort of, you know, investigating this sort of corruption, like a private investigators, Jack Nicholson's character, and he's investigating this like corruption slash murder and a big chunk of the drama revolves around water, water rights in California.
tim pool
Nugget says, I was born in Zimbabwe, 1991.
They took land from white people, divided it up and gave it to Africans, then everyone starved because nobody knew how to farm.
That's what happens with communism.
They're like, the people should own the land!
unidentified
Yay!
tim pool
Get rid of the farmer!
Yay!
Is anybody doing how to farm?
unidentified
No!
tim pool
And then you die.
Or they're like, quick everyone melt down your tools to make pig iron.
will chamberlain
They want to do that in South Africa too.
Land reform.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's South Africa, man.
ian crossland
Haven't, like, farmers been getting attacked en masse in South Africa?
tim pool
Depends on who you ask.
The corporate press is like, that's not happening.
seamus coughlin
So it probably is, yeah.
tim pool
It's definitely not happening.
But what the media says is all farmers are being attacked.
ian crossland
But they were saying it was like the white colonial farmers that were being attacked?
tim pool
That's the story?
There's a place in South Africa.
This was from Lauren Southern's documentary where it's like all white and like white only or something.
It's crazy.
Like that's something like that still exists and it's like a weird pocket suburban town far away from everything.
will chamberlain
I think they almost like they applied to be like a minority protected status or something like that in South Africa.
I remember reading about that place.
It was very weird.
tim pool
All right.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Uh, let's see, what does it say?
Mr. Messenger, Message Writer says, you say that the cities will be worse for food shortages.
You have no idea.
Many West Coast cities have thousands of people living in 100 square foot apartments,
which have no storage, no kitchen.
They must leave to get food to eat.
Oh yeah, The Bachelors.
When I lived in LA, and I was trying to find a place to live, I ended up living with a friend of mine, in a studio, and it was a couple hundred, it was like 500 square feet maybe, and so it was just a studio, but it had a separate kitchen.
And so I was like, alright, that's cool.
When I was looking for places for myself, I couldn't afford any of these things, I had to split a studio.
But they had bachelor apartments, which are basically glorified closets, and then there's one shared bathroom that everyone uses, and it was still like several hundred dollars per month, and I was just like, man...
I do not want to live here.
ian crossland
At that point I would try and live in my band lockout or something.
tim pool
I lived in a band space once.
It was like a hundred bucks a month.
Paper-thin walls.
Rickety old building, probably full of all, like, asbestos or whatever.
You name it.
I was in Chicago.
That was fun, though.
No good lighting.
You'd wake up and there was no showers or anything, so you'd go to the bathroom and just splash water on yourself.
But hey, a hundred bucks a month and a place to sleep.
We found a passenger two-seater from the back of a van that was thrown away, and that's what I got to sleep on.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
Yeah, you make it work, man.
I like that stuff.
ian crossland
Something about that, it's not only is it like romantic, but it's actually awesome because you're saving money for the things you really find important in life, which is investing for your future.
tim pool
Yeah.
Alright, let's get what we got here.
Kevin Brady says... That sounds like something that sounds true that's not true, though.
How about someone fact check that, because that, you know... Corporate Investigation Risk Consulting, Kroll Inc.
That sounds like something that sounds true that's not true though.
How about someone fact check that?
ian crossland
Corporate Investigation Risk Consulting, Kroll Inc.
American Corporate Investigations and Risk Consulting.
will chamberlain
I read a fascinating book about that.
This is also somebody you should try and get on if you haven't.
I think it was Barry Meyer, M-E-I-E-R, he wrote a book about corporate spying.
It had a lot to do with Russiagate and Fusion GPS, but it was about, like, general, like, these weird corporate intelligence firms that are, like, do all sorts of crazy, really screwed up stuff.
Like, they were the ones who were, like, working for Harvey Weinstein and investigating.
It was fascinating.
Fascinating book.
tim pool
Spiro Floropoulos says, I lost my job standing up against woke and vaccine crap because I wanted to do better for my daughter's future.
It was worth it.
If Timcast needs tech help, I have 20 years experience.
Glad to hear it!
And we do!
Send an email, uh, let's say spin the UFO?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Did you check that enough?
ian crossland
What's the name on that?
tim pool
Spiro Floropoulos.
unidentified
Hmm.
lydia smith
That might not be his real name.
tim pool
No, but we'll use that in the subject and then we'll take a look.
Because we do need tech help as we expand.
We have new buildings and all that stuff, so there you go.
Jordan James says, two years ago at a grocery would spend about $250 to $300, now over $600 for the same amount of stuff for a family of four.
unidentified
Man, it's getting bad out there, my friends.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Oppressive straight white male Christian says, Fairmont, West Virginia literally has Tim's man sandwich shop.
It's called Yan's Hot Dogs.
Hot dog sauce, mustard, raw onions, the end.
unidentified
I love it.
lydia smith
Simple.
tim pool
You go in, you get food.
I like it.
In and out.
It's very simple, right?
You go in and out, you get a burger.
You can have burger, two burger, three burger, burger with stuff on it.
Have a nice day.
will chamberlain
In-N-Out is amazing.
ian crossland
They also got animal style.
Highly recommend if you haven't had animal style.
will chamberlain
And run by conservatives.
That's the thing.
People were hating on In-N-Out because it's a California thing.
No, they were run by conservatives.
They were opposed to the VAX mandate.
ian crossland
I do extra crispy at In-N-Out for the fries because otherwise they just blanch them.
They hit them once.
I think they do it twice for you and get them nice and crispy.
tim pool
See, everybody's always talking about how they want that good old country restaurant where you go in and they're very nice to you and you can relax.
I don't want none of that.
I want to walk in.
I want the server to walk up and say, what do you want?
I want a cheeseburger, bacon, fries, side of mayo, and a club soda.
Done.
They leave, they come back out, they give it to me.
No chit-chat, no BS.
You know that I can't stand?
I can't stand when I go in.
I already know what I want to eat when I go to a restaurant.
Before we even go in for the most part.
Going to a diner?
Yeah, I'm gonna get two eggs, bacon, and sausage.
That's it.
ian crossland
Question though.
tim pool
So I sit down, and the server walks up, and they're like, um, do you guys need menus?
Well, yes, obviously, people need menus to know what they want to order.
Me, I know what I want.
They'll say, well, I'm just gonna do the drinks first.
It's like, bro, we are ready to order.
Can you just take our order?
No, we need a man restaurant.
Where you go in and they're like, you just say, eggs and bacon!
ian crossland
Done!
tim pool
And they bring you eggs and bacon.
ian crossland
So you just grunt.
seamus coughlin
You just grunt for the specific item on the menu you want.
tim pool
A breakfast place that only serves two eggs, two bacon, two sausage, nothing else.
It's what you get.
Go home.
ian crossland
Are you gonna make people pay before or after they eat?
tim pool
During.
ian crossland
Oh, I like it.
A surprise.
tim pool
All right, everybody, if you have not already, smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.
We're gonna have that members only segment coming up at 11 p.m., so you don't want to miss that.
It's again at TimCast.com.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL, basically everywhere.
You can follow me at TimCast.
Will, would you like to shout anything out?
will chamberlain
Oh, just my Twitter right now, at Will Chamberlain.
Also, Article 3 Project is doing, I think it's A3 Project on Twitter, but look it up.
I mean, we've been doing great work opposing the Katanji Brown-Jackson nomination.
And IAP, Internet Accountability Project, does great work opposing the bad acts of big tech.
So, all three of those things.
unidentified
Cool.
seamus coughlin
I'm Seamus Coghlan.
I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
You guys should go check it out.
We're uploading a cartoon tomorrow.
So go over there, hit subscribe, hit the notification bell, watch it.
I love all of you.
Thank you for stopping by.
ian crossland
I love you guys too.
You're great.
You're really great.
And to the dude that has said you got four kids, man, you're gonna raise great kids.
Thank you.
I also fasted yesterday for 24 hours.
Maybe that was why my mood was dipped today.
So I'm easing back into eating life.
tim pool
Fasting is great, man.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was really, really good.
It was needed.
I overate pizza, so I did it to myself.
It's my own punishment to myself so that God doesn't punish me.
tim pool
I saw someone cooking a pizza at like midnight.
ian crossland
Look no further.
seamus coughlin
He was eating his sorrow.
He'd been crying because we didn't get enough likes on the video.
ian crossland
It's the Giordano's.
I mean, talk about hard to resist, but I just can't cheese myself like that.
So not again.
tim pool
Giordano's is like eating a brick of cheese.
ian crossland
And it expands slowly after you eat it, like a shot.
It takes a while to get drunk.
Same with the food.
It takes a while to get fat.
seamus coughlin
No, you're right.
Like it expands in you.
It's true.
It's so good.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's so good.
ian crossland
Thanks everyone.
Follow me at iancrossland.net if you want to.
Catch you later.
lydia smith
Why do we always end up talking about food?
I end up leaving so freaking hungry.
seamus coughlin
I'm starving right now.
Ian, just plug Giordano's.
will chamberlain
Does anybody want to go to Waffle House?
I'm going to Waffle House.
lydia smith
That's a good idea.
unidentified
I like that.
We have a diner.
tim pool
After we record this members thing.
lydia smith
Yeah, let's do it.
For sure.
You guys can follow me.
Hold on real quick.
You guys can follow me on Twitter at SourPatchLids and on Mines.com.
I also have SourPatchLids.me.
tim pool
We will see all of you over at TimCast.com for that member segment or Waffle House.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you then.
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