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March 25, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Biden Tells US Troops They Are Going Into Ukraine w/Royce White
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brett dasovic
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ian crossland
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royce white
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tim pool
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lydia smith
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tim pool
Speaking to the 82nd Airborne in Poland, Joe Biden said, when you're there, you will see men, women standing in front of a damn tank.
And everybody was like, did he just tell US troops that they will be there in Ukraine seeing this now?
Some people are saying it's out of context.
That's not what he meant.
And I'm sure that's, I hope that's not what he meant.
The White House has issued a clarification saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nobody's, nobody's going there.
In which case, I think we need a president who can speak better, because that's kind of a scary thing to see.
A bunch of outlets being like, Joe Biden corrected, no, troops are not going to be in Ukraine.
So we'll be talking about that.
We've got a bunch of other stories, and we'll talk a bit about some cultural stuff.
We got this story, it's Ben and Jerry's in San Francisco.
This, apparently this, this like standalone store splashed a crying homeless man with a bucket of water.
That's, that's what they're accused, uh, being accused of.
And I thought, Man, that really does exemplify San Francisco and a lot of what these policies have resulted in.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, it's Friday, so we're mostly chilling as we normally do.
And joining us to hang out tonight is Royce White.
Do you want to introduce yourself?
royce white
Thanks for having me, man.
I really appreciate it.
It's an honor.
My name is Royce White.
I'm running for Congress in Minnesota's 5th Congressional District against the anti-American candidate Ilhan Omar and her trusted team, the Squad, the Progressives.
tim pool
You think you're going to do it?
It's an uphill battle?
royce white
I think all things are possible through faith in God.
I'll say that.
unidentified
Right on.
tim pool
Right on.
Cool, man.
Well, glad to have you.
royce white
Thanks for having me, man.
tim pool
We also got Brett Dasovic of Pop Culture Crisis hanging out tonight.
brett dasovic
How's it going, everybody?
Yes, my name is Brett.
And as a Minnesota resident growing up, I pray that you manage to win, please.
unidentified
Thank you.
royce white
I appreciate that.
ian crossland
Hey, everybody.
Ian Crossland over here, hanging out with a bunch of dice in front of me, as you probably already guessed.
Have a wonderful night, and I will see you soon.
lydia smith
And I'm very excited to have Brett here as well, for sure, because I enjoy going on Pop Culture Crisis with him, but very excited to hear what Royce has to say.
I would like to see Ilhan Omar get defeated.
tim pool
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Let's read this first story.
We have this one from timcast.com.
And I know some people are saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, this headline is misleading, or, well, let me read it for you.
Biden tells the 82nd Airborne they're going to Ukraine, contradicting previous promise.
President Joe Biden told troops from the 82nd Airborne Division stationed in Rzeszów, Poland that they would be going to Ukraine.
During his first State of the Union address at the beginning of March, Biden promised that he would not be putting American boots on the ground.
Quote, let me be clear, our forces are not engaged and will not engage in the conflict with the Russian forces in Ukraine.
However, Biden's words in Poland imply he has changed his mind.
Quote, you're going to see when you're there, you're going to see women, young people standing in the middle in front of a damn tank saying, I'm not leaving.
So we have this from the Daily Mail.
White House forced to correct Biden after hinted U.S.
troops would be sent into Ukraine in slip in speech to paratroopers in Poland.
Following Biden's comments to the 82nd Airborne Division in Poland, the White House clarified, saying, the president has been clear we are not sending U.S.
troops to Ukraine and there is no change in that position.
All right.
I just got to say, there's a few scenarios here.
One, Joe Biden is a fumbling, bumbling fool and just was misspeaking, saying you'll see it when you're there.
Maybe he meant something else.
I honestly don't know.
What could it mean to tell a troop they'll be seeing people standing in front of a tank saying, you know, they're not moving or whatever?
Could Joe Biden have accidentally said this?
Could he have accidentally leaked advanced plans?
Is the White House lying?
ian crossland
Like, is it a false signal?
tim pool
Is Joe Biden nuts?
royce white
I think all of it's on the table.
It's all plausible.
All four of your scenarios are plausible with this guy.
brett dasovic
He just sounds so tired.
Like, all the time.
People make a lot of mistakes when they're tired and their sleep patterns are drawn out.
He's in Poland right now, so he's traveling.
I could absolutely see something like this being a slip-up that he's just not ready for public speaking when he's that tired or that out of it.
ian crossland
Yeah, like, um, he's already got a hypothetical set up in his mind.
So he's like, when this hypothetical comes, that is a hypothetical, this will be the situation.
But the word when, I mean, Rumsfeld said this about the Iraq war in 2002, before we were in Iraq, Afghanistan only, and he was like, when we go into Iraq, and it was like a signal.
Like, what do you mean when?
royce white
What do you mean when?
ian crossland
Iraq's not on, this isn't part of the game right now.
royce white
Yeah.
Well, it, yeah, well, it is part of the game for them.
ian crossland
Yeah, for sure.
I would be mind blown if the United States was not preparing to send troops into Ukraine in some way.
royce white
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Or they don't already have them there in some way.
tim pool
I would be shocked if Joe Biden wasn't taking mad uppers of some sort.
ian crossland
Like this is the kind of situation where you pay privateers.
This is where privateers came from.
You put people into Ukraine, you pay them, but they don't wear American outfits.
They're just being paid by the American government.
tim pool
You know, you know, you mentioned that Biden seems tired all the time and watching these past several videos.
He is like when he was at the G7 when he was talking about the new world order and stuff.
He's just talking like this.
unidentified
You know, I was talking to this guy in a secure military said.
tim pool
You know, it's gonna be a new world order and I'm like, you know what man?
They must have this dude on so many pills to keep him moving.
Because for someone his age to be traveling overseas to Europe, change in sleep schedule, working this much, I don't know how he does it, because I gotta be honest, I'm tired.
You know, and I stay in this house most of the time just working.
royce white
It's tough for me to, you know, watching it.
I think we live in an age of double crosses and triple crosses.
It's very hard for me to tell whether or not he's being puppeted or if he's just in on it and he's that sinister.
And I think it's very hard to tell with a lot of these global figures in positions like his.
brett dasovic
I have a hard time believing that his is on purpose, or that he's doing it on purpose.
I actually believe that drugs... I remember Sticks, Hex, and Hammer had a video when he got elected where he's like, I hope the CIA's like, I don't want him to be president, but if he is, give him the good drugs.
The CIA, I hope they give him the good stuff to keep him awake so that people don't think our president's falling asleep at the wheel.
tim pool
He's completely right, you know?
Make him work.
unidentified
Give him stuff that we can't take.
tim pool
But let's say this.
Outside of whatever Biden is supposed to be saying and whatever he meant.
I don't know, what do you think, man?
Do you think they're going to send troops?
Do you think NATO will get involved?
Do you think US troops are going to get involved in Ukraine, go up against Russia?
royce white
It's hard to say.
I think, ultimately, there is a four-player jump ball, geopolitically.
You got the free people of many nations around the world.
You have your globalists.
You got Russia and China.
And, you know, I think Glenn Beck laid this out well.
I've written it before in my sub-stack.
China and Russia want a nationalist dictatorship, and the globalists want an international dictatorship.
And I think Ukraine is the proxy ground for the war between the globalists and China and Russia, in many regards.
And, you know, we're in the fog of war.
It's hard to say what they'll do.
I would lean towards they probably will, you know, intervene in the Ukraine in some way coming up shortly.
ian crossland
When I think about, like, who would win from a war between the United States and Russia?
It'd be China.
I mean, or it'd be like the oligarchs like Klaus Schwab.
But like, when I think of Kolomoisky and how he created that TV station to put Zelensky on a TV show, and then he made the political party to put Zelensky into power, who's he connected with?
royce white
I think the people that win ultimately in this are the central bank financial cartels.
And when you push You know, nations on a global stage to this level of pressure and desperation and, you know, it's all it's ultimately going to affect the currency.
Yeah, it's also it's ultimately going to potentially crash the currency, which would give them the opportunity to usher in a new global digital currency, which which takes authoritarianism to an entirely new height.
And I think that they I don't think that they've been shy about saying that that's their ambition.
I think that we As individual citizens who don't have that type of sinister mindset find it hard to believe that they would sacrifice people in the Ukraine or anywhere else in order to achieve that goal.
tim pool
Now we got food shortages coming by fall because of fertilizer, because of exports in Ukraine.
I think Ukraine and Hungary are pulling back on wheat exports.
So Europe, they're going to be going hungry quite a bit.
Prices are going to skyrocket.
ian crossland
The Holdomir was like a human created mass starvation.
The Holdomor?
Is that how you pronounce it?
I wouldn't put it past an authoritarian regime to murder hundreds of thousands of people to get an agenda across.
It's been happening plenty of times in the past.
unidentified
I view it more like Or millions, or billions.
ian crossland
I wouldn't even put it past them to kill half the planet to get an agenda across.
You gotta watch out for psychopathy.
tim pool
Well, I mean, here's a point.
You know, first of all, when you bring stuff like that up, the media just dismisses you and calls you crazy.
ian crossland
I'm not saying they're doing it.
I'm saying I wouldn't put it past them.
tim pool
The media will dismiss you and call you crazy, which is crazy.
Serial killers exist.
There have been many serial killers who were very, very smart.
And it's terrifying how calculated they were.
Now imagine one of them just decides to get an office.
How hard is it?
I mean, you know, heaven help us if a serial, someone with a psychotic individual serial killer mindset gets a high ranking position in the military.
ian crossland
Also drugs make people crazy.
I think Hitler was on so many drugs and it was a big part of what pushed him over the edge.
tim pool
They were doing meth.
Kept him going.
royce white
You know, I see some of these politicians who have been elected, let's say like an Ilhan Omar.
And I've said in the beginning of this campaign, I don't know how much she's in on it.
I don't know how much she's initiated into these sort of global level plans.
But a lot of them are useful drones for much more predatory and sophisticated predators.
I mean, you know, players at the top level.
Yes, sociopathic, psychopathic character traits are all on the board.
I don't think that anybody should dismiss them.
In fact, I think it's a concerted effort for the mainstream media to dismiss these things out of hand because they're in on it.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
royce white
The mainstream media, the five-headed hydra, the New World Order, is very clear to me.
You got big tech, you got the three industrial complexes, military, media, and medicine, and you got the central bank cartels.
And they do their best to make it seem like they're not in on it together, but when you really take a step back and look at these things from a broader scope, they all interplay and they work together to Quell what stories they need to and promote others.
tim pool
I'm gonna pull this up every time someone mentions the New World Order, just so that I can say, here's what we're talking about.
This is the Council on Foreign Relations News Guard, certified 100 out of 100.
And they say, what is the Liberal World Order?
They say, world leaders created a series of international organizations and agreements to promote global cooperation on issues including security, trade, health, and monetary policy.
The United States has championed the system known as the Liberal World Order for the past 75 years.
During this time, the world has enjoyed unprecedented peace and prosperity.
I will dispute that.
Yeah, right.
But this is the idea.
This is the Council on Foreign Relations.
Whether anybody, you know, they say, what is the UN Security Council?
If someone wants to come out and say the New World Order is a crackpot conspiracy, whatever it is you're talking about, fine, sure.
When we were talking about Big Tech and the Monetary Fund, look at this.
Don't they?
I think they actually mentioned the International Monetary Fund in here.
Do they?
Let me make sure.
royce white
They're doing it right in front of people.
unidentified
World Bank.
royce white
Yep.
tim pool
Do they mention the World Bank?
royce white
They're so brazen about it.
tim pool
There we go, look at this, look at this.
Evaluate the success of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund in promoting trade, development, and economic stability.
So we're talking about the banking industry, big tech, and all that stuff.
Just, if you've got a problem with us believing that, take it up with the Council on Foreign Relations' own website, which says it's real.
That's the only thing I have to say is, okay then, if you think that's a conspiracy theory, those crazy Council on Foreign Relations people putting those conspiracy theories up, they tricked us.
Oh man, how dare they?
brett dasovic
And when they mean peace and prosperity, they mean here, not where we're using it overseas.
royce white
Where we bomb, where we drop a bomb every eight seconds.
brett dasovic
It's peaceful here, just not all the other places where our influence is.
royce white
In the West, it's peaceful in the West.
brett dasovic
For the most part.
tim pool
I don't know.
I'm pretty sure if you look at the southern border with the cartels and look, some of the most dangerous parts of Mexico are right on the southern border of the United States.
So yeah, I'm not I'm not about to agree with them.
Like it's been unprecedented, unprecedented peace and prosperity.
royce white
You're saying the whole premise is false as a nonstarter.
ian crossland
Yeah, they might have something to it because there was like how many hundreds of millions were killed in the 1900s?
World War I and II was the most grotesque thing the humans have ever done to themselves, really.
It was disgusting.
And we haven't done that since we built this.
So that's the upside.
And before in the 1800s, it was probably as gruesome, not as gruesome, because machine guns changed a lot, but pretty damn gruesome in the 1800s too, like really, really bad.
So this maybe, I mean, I do think for the time that this had a purpose, but that the purpose has passed.
I don't think that we need to go to an autocratic global corporate governance, but I think that the liberal economic order is over.
tim pool
I think it's just real quick.
I think it's funny that they're like, what is the World Trade Organization?
What is the World Health Organization?
What is international law?
But the New World Order is a conspiracy theory.
royce white
Yeah.
Like what?
tim pool
Organizations exist.
royce white
I think what we're looking at right here is the fallout from.
A psychopathic man named Adolf Hitler committing a very evil atrocity on a certain group of people and wanted to expand an empire and have the German war machine go and take over the world.
And then you had a bunch of opportunists, whether out of fear or out of ambition, see the opportunity to use him as a scapegoat to say the only way we could stop this from happening is if we consolidate power into international governing bodies.
And what's interesting about the way they want to do this is similar to what China has done.
If you notice with China and how they've re-initiated the re-education camps, they call them re-education camps, because they know, and I'm not to say that the CCP hasn't killed Uyghurs or cultural minorities in these camps, What I'm saying is that they've moved this sort of Overton window of what it means to be tyrannical and evil in a societal framework.
So they'll say, we're not killing them like they did the Jews.
We're just putting them in re-education camps.
And that sort of quells the visceral feeling we have towards what happened to the Jews.
And I think the UN and these globalist international bodies are doing a similar thing when they talk about peace.
They're not talking about the peace of soul or the peace of spirit.
They're talking about physical conflict, but the whole scam is to make people very chaotic and unpeaceful in their minds and bodies and spirits.
ian crossland
You can chain two people up and call it peaceful because they can't fight, but they're not going to be happy.
That's not a good peace for those people.
royce white
It's still a degradation of humanity and dignity.
tim pool
Let's talk about your story, man.
How did you get involved in all this?
Where do you come from?
royce white
Well, yep, I'll take you back to the beginning because I respect you a lot.
And I told you that I think what you've done man is really in all the people who have done what you've done creating these conversations is an unquantifiable contribution to society.
Um, you know, my story all started, I'd say, I came onto the public scene as a basketball player at Iowa State University.
I was an all-American high school athlete.
I came up through the Nike prep circuit as well.
I went to the University of Minnesota, which is in my hometown, but I transferred to Iowa State.
I had to sit a year.
Back then, you got penalized a year for transferring.
Now, they have a sort of no-penalty rule, but back then you got penalized a year.
So I had a city year.
I didn't play until my junior year.
I had a good season.
And during this season, I talked publicly about my struggles with anxiety.
And this was unique because a lot of people in the public square, especially collegiate athletes, but really any public figures, weren't talking about mental health.
As much it certainly wasn't the mainstream sort of buzz topic that has become now and many could you could argue that I was sort of the first stone in that avalanche and and I'm and I'm actually kind of disturbed and disappointed at how it turned out and we'll talk about that trajectory here a little bit but but anyway.
I started to talk about mental health and I was playing well.
And so it got a lot of traction because the college sports writers were going, we never had a guy talk about anxiety, but we knew people had these issues.
But also this guy is leading his team in every major statistical category.
Points, rebounds, blocks, steals, assists.
And I was the only player in the country to do that.
And not many players in the country do that in any season.
It's kind of a statistical anomaly.
Um, so there's this whole paradigm is created now about, okay, so what do we mean when we say mental health then or mental health issues or struggles or mental illness or anxiety?
And so as the season went on, I continued to prove that I could compete at the highest level against guys who were projected to be first round picks.
This went into the NCAA tournament that's going on now.
My team, Iowa State, is playing tonight, actually, in the Sweet 16.
But in our tournament, we played the defending champs, UConn, coached by Jim Calhoun at the time.
And I had an incredible game against them.
They had two high-level first-round picks projected in that game.
And then we played Kentucky, who had Anthony Davis on the team at the time, and six other first-round draft picks projected.
And I was the dominant player in that game.
So then, you know, the talk was, okay, this guy's probably one of the most NBA-ready players in his class.
I declare for the draft, and something very, very strange, you could say, happened.
It exploded the mental health conversation, because now the question was, how does the NBA view mental illness?
Do they view it as a character flaw?
Or do they view it as, you know, this integral piece of this comprehensive health model, right?
This progressive view of health and mental health as a spectrum where everybody has a mental health, right?
So that question was posed by the mainstream establishment.
And the answer was, they did view it as a character flaw.
And I pushed back on that narrative immediately.
Like, as soon as the stories start to drop, Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Royce is declaring for the draft, but he's a mystery pick because of this whole anxiety snafu.
I'm going, no, no, no, this ain't a character flaw.
And the fact that it's even a question proves that you guys don't understand the real dynamic of what's happening with this mental health crisis.
Long story short, I get drafted to the Houston Rockets 16th, but I was projected to have a top five talent, NBA ready skill set.
And upon my arrival in the NBA, I discovered by reading through my collective bargain agreement, our CBA, that there wasn't a single mention of mental health in the entire document.
And I went to my team and I said, listen, I want I want to be as good of a player and as productive as I possibly can be for you guys.
But I understand that obviously by the language in this document that the understanding around mental health and the issue like the one I deal with anxiety disorders is lacking and I'm willing to have an open conversation with you guys transparently about what I deal with so that we can have a better relationship and trying to make me the most productive player I could be.
Okay, they said, okay, that's good.
Okay, well, let's put it in writing, I said.
Let's figure this out.
How does this look in writing?
Oh, we can't put any of this in writing.
I go, why not?
The color of the socks a guy has to wear in the game is in writing.
tim pool
Is it really?
royce white
Oh, it absolutely is.
And the penalties.
And the real reason that I said we needed to put it in writing, because the CBA already had a banned substance list that had anti-anxiety medication on it.
Whoa.
Okay, so now I'm going, Everybody's telling this narrative that the pro sports world is uninitiated with mental health as a topic.
But here's this banned substance list with tons of mental health related content in it.
So somebody knew something about mental health or knows something.
And so I said, OK, so let's say, for example, they basically said, well, look, you can take the Xanax because Xanax was on the banned substance.
You can take it.
Don't worry.
You got a doctor's prescription.
And I go, well, wait a minute.
Why is it on the list?
Is it because if you take Xanax for two weeks, even, as prescribed, you can get addicted?
And that is the truth about Xanax.
It's the most addictive drug there is in the world.
And so they were right to have it on the banned substance list.
But my point was to say, hey, the reason I mostly take Xanax is because I have a fear of flying or that fear of flying exacerbates my anxiety.
So how about we cut some of the Xanax out per year by allowing me to drive from Minnesota to, say, Chicago.
Six hour drive.
A little bit longer hike than a private charter jet, you know, catered and all of that.
But I was willing to take the hit because I understood the dangers of taking Xanax for nine months continuously.
And they said, oh no, we can't do that.
And so that's where the fight began ultimately between me and the league.
And I became this spokesperson on mental health.
And what I was really trying to say is like, it wasn't about me getting special preferential treatment.
It was to say that the NBA represents a global corporate community, which they do.
In fact, it's the watering hole for every industry in our society.
And that there was something wrong with the global corporate community and how they viewed humanity.
And that mental health wasn't about the DSM or diagnosis.
It was to say that mental health is another way to say the human condition, where mind, body, and spirit converge.
And they wanted nothing to do with that.
And they blackballed me for that.
And they told me, you're too smart for your own good.
We agree with you about mental health.
We agree it's an epidemic.
We agree it's the crisis over the hill.
But who are you to tell us to change anything?
You don't have any leverage.
uh... so you can either play or you'll never become the spokesperson that you could and
we could make you be on this issue and I've been fighting that battle for the
ian crossland
last ten years Did you leave the league right away?
royce white
uh... I gave them the ultimatum that we needed to put a mental health policy in
place or that I wouldn't play And then what happened?
I was traded from Houston to, well, what happened was the Houston Rockets owner at the time, Leslie Alexander, who now sold the team to Fertitta, who owns it now, but at the time it was Leslie Alexander, and his attorney said to me, hey, my daughter has anxiety.
His name is Mr. Goldberg.
He comes into a meeting.
First of all, they forced me to go to the psychiatrist every day.
And the psychiatrist told him, don't do that.
This isn't about him needing psychiatric help.
He's telling you guys that we need something in writing that acknowledges mental health as a core component of overall health.
And I agree with him.
So then they got pissed off at the psychiatrist.
And so they made me do that every day or else I would be fined, they said.
So I went.
I said, OK, I'll go.
Me and this guy could chat it up.
Actually, we'll start designing the policy, which we did.
And basically, they walked in there after two months of back and forth and them telling me that, you know, for me to bust to a game could be a salary cap infringement and, you know, all of these other weird kind of, you know, business tactics, intimidation tactics.
They finally just came in and said they sent an emissary, right?
And it was this attorney and he goes, listen, my daughter has anxiety.
She doesn't like to fly either, but I'd make her and she'll thank me for it later.
She hates me now.
I agree with you.
This is a big issue.
And if you agree to go to our D-League, which is now called the G-League, minor league affiliate, In the offseason, I'll help you put this mental health policy in place, and I'll make sure that the owners accept it.
When the offseason came, there was no talk of that policy, and I was traded to Philadelphia.
And Philadelphia released me before the season started, even though the local media there in Philly thought that I was a shoo-in to make that team.
But Sam Henke, who had been the assistant GM under Darryl Morey, who is an interesting character in this whole story arc, he was the understudy of Darryl Morey.
So they basically did a trade and dump.
And I was, you know, 21 years old.
I was naive.
I had the inclination or the instinct to block the trade, but I was encouraged by the union that it would be maybe advantageous for me because Philadelphia is in this East Coast corridor and there's a lot of games that I would be able to drive to throughout the season.
Ultimately, after the Philadelphia thing, I just didn't get another shot.
I wrote letters.
I had medical professionals, mental health professionals write letters and say, this mental health issue is real.
That the NBA is in a perfect position to back up its promotion of caring about the greater good by just putting in a very simple, doable mental health policy.
And they just ignored me.
ian crossland
Why do you think they did that?
royce white
At the time I thought it was because there was something they didn't know.
I was arrogant.
I was mistaken.
I was naive.
I thought that I was going to be able to bridge the gap through genuine participation of some type of attitude or perspective that they had gotten wrong.
But that wasn't the case.
The entire corporatocracy knew that psychological, that the predatory predation, let's say, on the human psychology was the next iteration of the war that they wanted to wage on the common people.
I didn't get that at the time, that social media was around the corner.
And the dopamine, the dopamine war was coming down, coming around.
They knew it.
So when I went to talk about mental health and say, hey, hold on, there's a mental health, there's a cultural mental health renaissance and revolution that needs to happen here right now.
I'm sitting there thinking that they had archaic views about mental health, but I was mistaken.
They were advanced around the human psychology and they plan to be predatory with it.
ian crossland
So they were planning on, like, they knew that it was going to be weaponized, like mental illness would be weaponized, so they didn't want to get involved in it or something?
tim pool
Let me interject real quick.
There are companies, when it comes to mobile apps, there was a viral, I covered this several years ago, a company says, we can program your audience for you.
So when you've got big companies that are planning on making mobile apps, they're going to consultants saying, how can we make it so that people can become addicted to this?
And then the company will analyze their data and be like, do these things, and people will become addicts.
It's digital addictions.
royce white
And you can place that or stand that next to a 21-year-old kid coming in saying, hey, why is the alcohol cut off not at halftime?
Why is it morally and ethically okay for us to use taxpayer money to build these arenas and then build parking structures where we basically incentivize people to drink and drive with their kid, or come to the game and get drunk in front of their kid, or even worse, somebody else's kid, and yell this belligerent shit at the game?
And I'm sitting here saying all of this based on logic and reason, and they're like, we're about to go to town on the working class through psychological manipulation.
tim pool
I think it's simpler put, to be honest.
Because I think, you know, the way you describe it is, it's what's happening.
But their attitude is probably like, how much did we just pay this guy to make our mobile app that makes these young kids addicted to it?
50 million.
50 million?
We can't have this guy screwing that up.
ian crossland
Right, so they thought you were a threat to the system?
That you were going to gain too much power and influence in the system?
royce white
Two-fold, two-fold.
tim pool
Yes.
royce white
But there's a canary in the coal mine in this situation.
Yes, in the immediate, they're like, this kid is trying to change the status quo, and that's a danger.
But the mental health topic, as a topic in general, is the one topic that puts a mirror up to the individual.
So in spirit, they didn't want to have the mental health conversation because they didn't want to have to look at themselves.
tim pool
Your story to me sounds like you thought that once you got in, people would be willing to engage with you and you'd have a positive impact.
But the reality is, for political office even, you end up getting into a position where there's a train coming at you and you're trying to push against it.
That train's going to keep coming.
So you go in in good faith, think you're going to have this impact, and then we hear it across the board from the presidency to members of Congress.
It's like as soon as you get in, the machine controls you.
And then if you resist it enough, eventually the machine just shoves you out of the way.
royce white
And you know, as a young kid growing up, I grew up in the Michael Jordan era.
In the Twin Cities, Chicago, WGN.
We got all the local Bulls games in the 90s.
We had WGN in the Twin Cities.
So we got to see all the home Bulls games.
So I was a basketball lover.
Right.
And when you when you grow up in a single mother household and she pays the rent with her tips and and you go to the gym and you create a relationship with the with the local recreation center manager and he allows you to spend that extra time in the gym all by yourself, just shooting, just shooting, playing games with yourself to 100.
I'm the Bulls one night.
I'm the other team the other night.
You grow up with a.
A very naive view of what the basketball industry or basketball itself is all about.
And I really thought that the NBA was this institution that was based on all of the things that basketball had been for me growing up.
A safe haven, a place of teamwork and hard work, genuineness, meritocracy.
And you get there and it's just like, nah kid, we're a cog in the machine.
And don't rail against us because we'll squash you.
tim pool
How do you get, so what's the next step in this process for you?
How do you get from there to now you're running as a Republican against Ilhan Omar?
Seems like there's a big, something big happened in between there.
royce white
Well, a lot of things happened, but mainly that the same liberal establishment that I've watched take hold of the cultural narrative over the last 10 years was the same one that tried to defame me and poke fun at me 10 years ago.
tim pool
It's the same one that is making a lot of money in China?
royce white
Absolutely.
And so, you know, I was in Canada for two years.
I saw them go after Jordan Peterson.
I was living there, playing for London Lightning in London, Ontario, in the National Basketball League Canada.
And I watched that.
It was the most peculiar thing because I was a nomad up until that point.
It was a cultural Democrat as many young black men are growing up in these inner cities.
They're cultural Democrats, although they tend to be conservative really culturally, but in party affiliation, they tend to be Democrat.
Um, and it was just the oddest thing to me.
I had never seen just me personally for somehow I had never seen people go after somebody who was so reasonable and logical and just seemed to be kind of a nice guy with such obscene and ridiculous points. And I'm sitting here as a person who fought the NBA
going, I have genuine points about the establishment that we
should be talking about.
Why are you guys going after him about pronouns? I don't get it.
And so I watched that and then I came back from Canada, played in the big three.
And while I was playing in the big three, I started to talk about, you know,
broader issues politically. Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, the concentration camps in China, Epstein,
This was back in 2019.
And then I wrote a book, an open letter to LeBron James entitled Epistle to the King.
And I basically lay this out from post-World War II all the way up until the 2016 election of Donald Trump of how the black community has been basically used as this lynchpin, this cultural lynchpin of this Marxist, you know, this sort of Marxist globalist revolution.
And then George Floyd happened.
Well, the pandemic happened first, and I was introduced to Steve Bannon's show.
I was introduced to his PBS Frontline interview.
I had already known about him since Trump ran, but I didn't really do a deep dive.
I still had a surface view of him.
Then I saw the PBS Frontline interview, and then the pandemic broke out.
Then I got introduced to War Room as soon as the pandemic broke out, and I was listening to it every day.
It was the most accurate coverage of the pandemic.
It was pretty much some of the only coverage, and then George Floyd happened two months later in May.
That was March, and then May, George Floyd happened.
tim pool
What did that change for you?
royce white
Go ahead.
tim pool
I just gotta bring up one quick point as we get into George Floyd.
You know that story about the mural of George Floyd with the crown that got struck by lightning and exploded?
royce white
I don't know that story.
tim pool
There's a wall.
I know the wall.
With a mural.
So in the middle was George Floyd and there was a crown over his head.
On a partly cloudy day, meteorologists reported a lightning strike.
Witnesses said they saw the lightning strike and it blew out only George Floyd from the building.
The whole building was like no roof damage.
That's just a freaky story that I want to bring up whenever it comes to the George Floyd stuff because that's crazy.
royce white
God's wrath is fast.
ian crossland
Or metallic paint.
Or both.
tim pool
But, like, someone staged it or something?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
That's crazy.
Is that true?
brett dasovic
Someone staged it?
tim pool
Oh, no, no.
I have no explanation.
brett dasovic
Okay, yeah.
tim pool
Like, God's wrath?
I don't know, man.
royce white
Well, yes.
tim pool
That's what a lot of people felt.
Like, or that lady who was mocking the pandemic.
And then, do you see this one?
The comedian?
And then she just faints.
She just, like, falls back and hits her head.
brett dasovic
Yeah, she was making fun of...
tim pool
I just wanted to bring up the George Floyd thing because there's that weird moment that happened.
ian crossland
She said, Jesus loves me the most.
And that's when she fell down.
I was like, nah.
royce white
Jesus loves everyone the same, bro.
What do we talk about Christianity?
Taking God's name in vain is a grave sin.
And the wrath is quick.
ian crossland
You really can't mess around.
It's not worth messing around.
tim pool
I don't want to derail.
I just wanted to mention that story because it's crazy.
So now George Floyd.
royce white
So look, the George Floyd thing happened.
So I write this letter to LeBron James where I basically lay out how black people, specifically pop black figures, have been used as a three-card Monty to not only Keep the black community in this place of submission as a community, but they've been used to now go and attack the rights of others on the grounds of this cultural, you know, this culture war and an information war.
So I lay this out in the book.
The book's 255 pages.
It ends up being, it's like 40,000 words or something.
And then George Floyd happens.
And my whole point to LeBron James was to say that in the position you've been given, God given, That you have an obligation to lead in a way that's more genuine, authentic, and honest.
That was the whole crux of the book, but I had to go through the history, right?
Because I can't just assume that he's initiated into this post-World War II liberal world order type, you know, I just didn't assume that.
So I kind of took him through it in good faith.
And then George Floyd happens and I'm like, oh, I just wrote about what I need to go do.
Right?
And so I knew from watching the narrative be crafted and manipulated by the mainstream media that they were going to try and hijack that moment in a variety of ways.
And I knew that I was perfectly positioned to go into my community and lead in a way that changed the narrative.
And that's what I did.
You know, we led several.
First of all, chaos broke out.
There was fires.
There was unrest.
Real, real unrest that was on the verge of being anarchy.
It was anarchy, but it was on the verge of getting really out there.
And in the middle of that, I said, I called my basketball friends up, other guys who have big names in Minnesota sports community at least.
And I said, we got to go do something.
I'm leading this protest.
If you don't come, don't shake my hand.
We're not friends no more.
You guys got to put more in.
And we led peaceful protests.
But I wasn't going to allow the mainstream media or their BLM subsidiary dictate the tone of the protests.
So instead of going to the first precinct, we went to the Federal Reserve.
Right.
And you know a lot of these young white liberal women who want to participate and you know are really passionate and active.
I'm sitting on top of the stoop outside the outside of the Federal Reserve and we're doing a die-in at the Federal Reserve and they're looking at me like I got three eyes like why are we here?
And that's when it hit me.
It hit me that This entire culture war, information war, is not just a byproduct of individual people having low morals and ethics.
That is a part of it.
But the establishment has gotten really good at fooling people.
And I was able to go out and fight that just by being one man with a profile in my community that had gained the respect of a few people in my immediate circle.
And who would stand around me at a moment of chaos and turmoil and lead, physically take dominion in a community and say, hey, if you have a grievance, that's great.
That's good.
You should participate as a citizen, peacefully.
And if you want to negotiate the social contract between you and the state, you first have to identify the institutions that really preside over you.
So we're on our way to the Fed.
And if you don't know what the Fed is, when we get here and do this Diane, I'm going to tell you a little bit about it.
The mainstream media didn't even want to cover that.
They wanted it to seem like I was a emerging civil rights activist for Black Lives Matter, and they didn't want to give me any airtime, once again, to explain my position, because it's antithetical to what they were trying to accomplish.
And so that's how, eventually, in 2020, when we played with the Big Three again, Jeff Kwatnitz, who was a co-owner with Ice Cube, used to be partners with Steve Bannon, and I told Jeff, if you don't introduce me to Steve, Me and you aren't friends anymore.
And Jeff goes, I got you.
He sends me the number right away and I get hooked up with Steve.
We start to have great conversations, build a relationship.
He's a mentor, friend of mine, and the rest is history.
tim pool
So in Minnesota, which district are you?
CD5.
What's going on with that right now?
Ilhan Omar is obviously, she's the incumbent.
Is there a Republican primary with a bunch of candidates?
royce white
There's two other candidates in the field right now.
Cece Davis and a woman named Shukri Abdirahman and our convention is on April 2nd.
So coming up here in a few weeks for the endorsement and our primary wouldn't be until August 9th.
So we have a late primary and yeah, you know, I'm not certain what those two hope to do.
I kind of like Cece Davis just in general.
I kind of enjoy her.
She's been on Fox a few times and I've heard her speak.
I met her.
Or one day just randomly at a restaurant there in our local watering hole.
So I enjoy her.
I don't think that she has the understanding of how the global affects the local to be effective right now.
But the other candidate, Shukri Abdirahman, I think she's a plan.
I'm just gonna say it.
You know, when you start saying, I'm an ex-veteran, Muslim, Somali, immigrant, who's a battered woman, I have three kids, I'm a single mom, you're just playing the same identity politics game that the Democrats have played.
And she's Somali.
I mean, this would sound like conspiracy theory, but I can completely see in a guy like Soros taking a very similar Republican candidate, putting a Republican tag on them, and running the same identity, Marxist political game theory, you know, and hedge his bets.
So, you know, I'm not saying that that's true.
I'm just saying that the rhetoric from her is like, I'm a neoliberal who's Republican.
And I just think that that's completely inappropriate.
I think it's manipulative, dishonest, and I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that I'm the GOP candidate.
tim pool
Now here's a challenge.
This is a D-26 district.
So there was a lot of people were complaining about Kimberly-Klasek.
royce white
You said it's D-26?
unidentified
D-26.
tim pool
Okay.
Yeah, so I mean, for those that aren't familiar, that's like a 26% advantage typically for Democrats.
Two to one Democrat or Republican.
There were a lot of people saying that Kim Klesik was wasting people's money and energy by trying to run in an area that was so heavily Democrat.
I disagree, man.
If Republicans and Democrats- Thank you for that, Tim.
royce white
I appreciate that.
tim pool
No, but listen, listen.
At the very least, the fact that you are running, you are spreading a message, you are telling people there's an alternative, you're telling people there's an option.
If no one ever tries in these districts to win it all, You lose the whole thing slowly.
Then there's no message.
royce white
But you lose it.
The more important thing is that, and this is a fair criticism of the Republican establishment, I think, and myself being an athlete, a lifelong athlete and competitor.
If you're on a team, if us four are on a team and we come to practice every day, you show up late, you smoke weed during the week, you party, you don't get sleep.
When we get to practice, you don't know the plays.
You come in late, right?
When the guy in front of you goes and does what he's supposed to do, you don't do it.
You don't pay attention to him.
The coach is talking, you're playing with your hair or telling a joke.
All that I can deduct from that is that you don't want to win.
You don't want to play and you don't want to win.
And I think the Republican establishment has to be, you know, there has to be real, There has to be a very real skepticism of the genuineness of the Republican platform at the party level right now, because where is the evidence that they won't actually win these elections?
ian crossland
I think they just want to stay.
There's no urgency.
I don't sense any urgency from candidates anymore, from people that are already in.
They're just trying to collect a paycheck and stay in office.
They spent two years running for re-election.
royce white
Either that or they're in on it.
They are in on it.
On what?
The new liberal world order.
ian crossland
You think they're getting bought out and don't realize they're getting bought out by the liberal world?
royce white
No, I think a lot of them are the controlled opposition.
And look, I don't want to be disparaging to the Republican Party because I just got here.
I'm just a third party who came from the void as a nomad and renegade anti-establishment guy.
And I'm saying that the evidence of the Republicans trying to actually put forward an effort to really win and fight in these districts that they say are unwinnable is so few and far between that I can't come up with any other reason that either they're just losers, some of them, or they're actually in on it and they're getting a kickback for the managed decline.
tim pool
Let me tell you, man.
In West Virginia, second most Trump-supporting state, these schools are all woke.
The school boards are woke.
And there are people who are conservative who think those crazy problems don't affect my kids because we're in West Virginia.
They don't go to the meetings.
And it turns out, these schools, you've got all of the critical race theory, you've got all the wokeness, gender ideology.
You've got the left, the Democrats, and the progressives going into red areas Spreading the word, recruiting, trying to slip it in under the door.
In urban areas, Republicans are told, don't bother fighting at all.
You're wasting time and energy.
It's a lopsided, it's asymmetrical warfare.
royce white
How did they plan to win?
Look, And here's the other thing.
The Democrat platform, the neoliberal, Marxist, globalist platform has a better sales pitch in the physical realm.
unidentified
It says anything goes.
royce white
Anything that your little heart desires you can have and there is no judgment about it.
That's a good sales pitch for the physical realm for the here and now which is kind of how the Bible becomes profound and saying that this thing is all going to go to hell eventually because people become more interested and their wickedness than they are in their faith in God.
So my point in bringing that up is not to say that this needs to become a theocracy or to try and be a Bible thumper, but what I'm saying is that it's very clear that that paradigm should incentivize and make it even more urgent that the Republicans have to fight at every place that they possibly can.
Because if not, you have to transform hearts and minds and give people deeper meaning to their life because the drugs and the fast validation and reward is on the Democrat side.
tim pool
It is true that George Soros provided funding for local district attorneys in a variety of places around the country.
I think The Guardian reported on that.
Fox News got all mad when Newt Gingrich said it.
And he was like, what?
This is like mainstream reporting that's doing this.
So you've got powerful leftist organizations and institutions going into conservative areas, changing how the laws are being enforced, changing how schools are teaching these kids, Florida, for instance, right?
I mean, they're passing these laws because they have the political power to do so, and it is an issue.
But hearing it in West Virginia, people don't want to believe it.
Republicans need to be going into blue districts and doing what you're doing.
Coming on shows, writing books, putting out the messages, speaking, and just in general, doing the same thing.
Where are the conservatives, moderates, or libertarians?
I mean, come on, libertarians!
Let's get some libertarians to go run for school board in a blue area.
They don't do it.
royce white
I mean, I come from a cultural Democrat community, and I can just say that the conservative representation as I was growing up is completely non-existent.
And so I'm 30.
So it's not just in the here and now that the Republicans haven't pushed back or dedicated or invested in the minority vote.
And I don't say minority to play Uh, intersectional politics.
I'm just saying that minorities as a demographic, Latinos and blacks make up a significant portion of the voter base.
And they, I wouldn't, I had no idea what the Republican platform is.
And that's not all due to the Democrats or the mainstream media that's due to a laziness and an inaction on their behalf.
So I'm happy to be able to fight, you know, for that now.
tim pool
Whenever, you know, Seamus is on the show fairly often, and we'll talk about religion, and we'll often point out to people when we're having conversations, maybe like off the show or whatever, a lot of the arguments made by secular liberals and atheists tend to be a caricature of the beliefs of Christian conservatives or, you know, Christian groups because they don't interact with them.
Typically what you'll see is, you know, we talk about there'll be a meme Ascribing a belief to conservatives that isn't true, and then you actually ask someone who's a regular churchgoer and they'll be like, we don't do that.
I think the issue is, one thing they don't really do is go into these areas and just meet and talk with people, be active in the school meetings, actively campaign, put up billboards, try and actually run.
You might not be able to win.
And herein lies the problem.
Who's going to want to invest millions of dollars into a congressional campaign in a D plus 26 district?
But if you do it once, you do it twice, maybe the third time, you can take that district.
royce white
Well, listen, I think we got a very good chance.
I hear what you're saying and I agree with you.
tim pool
Look at Miami.
A Miami district flipped Republican and it was like D plus 20 or something.
Let me see if I can pull that one up.
royce white
I agree with you, and I think the Republican Party, or the free people, let's say, in this country, should definitely invest in putting up the fight.
And I believe in the war of attrition.
But I will say that I think we have a good chance of beating her in this election.
ian crossland
I think you're interesting because you have a unique perspective on mental health.
I have a feeling that a lot of what people are going through now is a lot of mental health issues.
I went through it in like 2006-2007 when I got into social media, started doing internet videos, and I went slowly, went crazy, rapidly went crazy.
After like two years, I wanted to kill myself.
Literally, I was like, this is it.
There's nothing to live for at this point.
The world economic order, it's taken over.
I'm just here to die.
That was my thought.
It was horrifying.
I think so many people are going through that right now, this despair, and then they're medicating.
And, I mean, you were talking about the medical, global military or medical industry, you named that as one of your five heads on the Hydro.
The food and medical industry combined, the sugar industry.
royce white
The food is the medical industrial complex.
ian crossland
Dude, if these people that, and I think because they're numbed and they're afraid, they're just voting for what the TV tells them to vote for.
royce white
True.
ian crossland
And they need a voice that they can relate to.
royce white
Here's, I'll say this.
I agree with you.
So when the globalists, for example, say you're going to own nothing and be happy, they don't mean we're going to make your lives more meaningful or more healthy.
They're saying we're going to make the material high so good that you're not going to notice we're stealing from you.
You're not going to notice that we're fucking you.
unidentified
Right.
royce white
And that's really what they mean when they say it.
And what they're relying on ultimately is to say, we're big and you're small.
So even if you know, and a lot of cultural Democrats and liberals do and are amenable to the idea that there is a system or the man or an elite that are screwing them, but their MO is that I have no power in that game.
And that's part of how a lot of the politics at the grassroots level have devolved into the identity politics, because they say, well, if I can't win at a big scale, then I'm going to make you say my pronouns.
And that's how they feel power.
tim pool
Now I just want to point out, Florida's 27th congressional district currently has a Republican, Maria Elvira Salazar.
It's a D plus 4.
I think she was on with Tucker though recently, wasn't she?
Was that her?
lydia smith
I don't remember.
tim pool
Maybe.
Maybe that was her.
But D plus 4, not D plus 20, so I was wrong about that.
And maybe you're a Republican, you're like, I think we can get a D plus 4, we can try.
But this was considered safe Democrat.
In all of the polling, they were like, it's heavy blue, it's not going to flip.
And then it did.
I think there actually was another district that flipped as well.
It was two districts.
Maybe one was... This is a Barack Obama district.
This is a Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton district that now has a Republican representing it.
royce white
We can't write... Here's part of what's happened with the Republican Party, I believe.
I'll say this.
I think because they have a fundamental, that there's a thread of Christianity baked into the Republican Party, that they rightfully now see the order of charity in the proper way.
That the order of charity is local.
They've just been pushed To their little corners.
And now the order of charity is what he's saying is right around them.
And they're going, we don't have to go back into the belly of the beast with the ministry of truth.
And I think Republicans and many Christians have forgotten about the importance of ministry.
And that's what we're talking about here, and that's what I did when the George Floyd situation happened.
I took a ministry of truth into the belly of the beast, and I confronted lies, rebuke and refute.
And I'm not condemning Republicans and Christians on the right for doing that,
because I understand that the order of charity is proper, and that the order of charity is first
that which is local to you, yourself, your family, and your immediate community. But we are at war,
and the rules change when you're at war, and we're in a culture war, an information war,
and as you see, we're in a kinetic guns up war as well.
tim pool
Yeah, the 26th district is also D plus one, and that's a Republican right now as well.
So those projections were way off.
People can make a change if you go out and you actually fight for it.
royce white
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Yeah, rapidly too with the internet.
royce white
Look at the NCAA tournament right now.
Look at St.
Peter's, the 15th seed.
Oh, what's happening?
Come on, they're in the Sweet 16, man.
I just come from the sports world where the underdog is, not only can you win, but it's so, it feels so damn good when you're the underdog and you win anyway.
So just as a sportsman and a competitor, this was the only, I could have run in a district that was more red.
I could have run in a statewide race where we had a bigger Republican constituency, Governor, Senate.
But to go into the Belly of the Beast first is honorable.
It's actually fruitful, in my opinion.
ian crossland
I moved to New York City after college, 2001.
September 5th, six days before the buildings came down.
And my dad was like, you're going into the Belly of the Beast, Ian.
Put this $20 in your sock.
royce white
Praise God.
ian crossland
Here we go, brother.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story.
It's a weird story, but it's the Belly of the Beast, man.
We got this story from the Daily Mail. Ben and Jerry's manager is accused of dousing mentally ill homeless person
with a bucket of water because she was crying on the sidewalk outside of the store in San Francisco.
I don't even want to play the video.
It's just a crying homeless person.
Dude apparently comes out and splashes water on him, but there's so much here.
Obviously, there's like a culture, a cancel culture outrage going on over this and people on social media are like, how
dare you?
But man, does this hit at the very serious problems of cities like San Francisco, with representation like Nancy Pelosi.
Granted, she's at the federal level, but still, this is her city.
She doesn't seem to care about it.
You've got the homeless crisis, you've got the drug crisis, you've got the failed policies, you've got human waste all over the streets, and then you've got people saying that California is five years ahead of the rest of the country.
So you look at stories like this, and it's like this Ben & Jerry's manager is just like a regular guy.
brett dasovic
Is this Ben & Jerry's, like the ice cream?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brett dasovic
Okay.
The woke ice cream company.
tim pool
The woke ice cream company, that's right.
brett dasovic
The extremely politically correct woke ice cream company.
unidentified
What was it?
brett dasovic
As long as it's not homeless people.
tim pool
What was that really awful flavor they had?
It was woke and had like a weird thing in it.
I can't remember what it was.
I'll try and look.
unidentified
Cinnamon.
lydia smith
It had cinnamon in it.
You hated it.
unidentified
No, no.
What?
tim pool
I love cinnamon.
What are you talking about?
lydia smith
Yeah, I fucking hated that one.
tim pool
I absolutely love cinnamon.
That's weird.
You are so wrong.
I am offended that someone... Cinnamon bun ice cream is so good.
ian crossland
Have you ever sucked on a cinnamon stick before?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
That's pretty good.
Oh, you ever do the cinnamon challenge?
You guys ever do that?
You take a scoop of cinnamon and you put it in your mouth and it's... I'm not suggesting you do it.
Just don't breathe out your nose.
I did it with Shay Carl.
We were able to hold it down.
tim pool
But talking about... What happens to a city when you don't fight for it?
royce white
You lose it.
tim pool
And then some.
I mean... Would you describe San Francisco as being lost or maybe something worse?
royce white
It's just, it devolves into Satanism.
ian crossland
I lived there for a little while.
You guys ever lived there?
brett dasovic
I've been there.
I've never lived there, but I've passed through for periods of time.
It wasn't as bad when I was there.
This was a long, long time ago.
ian crossland
It was like 2015 for me.
brett dasovic
And to be fair, it's like what you're saying, you have to keep fighting because the, I mean, I hate to make this a left versus right thing.
They're not going to stop.
Like I still get, like, I am shocked by how many door-to-door campaigners I would get in Minnesota in areas that were safe.
Blue, right?
And the amount of messages you get from, you know, this is so-and-so from this campaign and you're like, stop messaging me.
And you're still going to keep getting them and you're still going to keep getting them because they never stop.
So if you're going to at least try to make a change, how can you just say, oh, well, this district is clearly blue.
Why would I even try?
They're going to try.
They're going to go into those red districts and they're going to keep trying whether it's through the educational system.
You're a populist.
It's door-to-door campaigning sending you messages. They will not stop its cultural on every level
So we can't you know again?
I hate making this a left first right thing because I don't consider myself a Republican or Democrat or any of that,
but you can't There you go
Yeah, so like you you have to at least be willing to fight for those. What's the point? You're just giving in yeah
royce white
No, I mean and these people aren't messing around They're not kidding around.
I mean, I think the whole three card multi manipulation is whoever the voters are now, let's guilt them into voting Democrat because Republicans are racist.
And while that takes place, we will we will use those wins to systematically go into the communities at the grassroots educational school level and indoctrinate the next generation so that we won't even have to we won't even have to lie anymore.
We won't even have to manipulate them.
They'll believe the things we believe.
ian crossland
The Three Carmontis, like that game where you have three cups with like a ball under it.
royce white
Or cards.
ian crossland
Or whatever.
And so you're saying they're using the black community as like a distraction and they're getting people to look away so that they can move the card?
royce white
The Holocaust and Adolf Hitler are the scapegoat and the justification for New World Order.
Black people are the justification for authoritarianism, authoritarian church of LGBTQ anti-human American politics.
unidentified
Same game.
tim pool
I got a question about this, right?
Some politician recently said in the past couple of years that for Democrats, the way to the black vote is through the church.
And you've heard that before, right?
royce white
Lie.
unidentified
50% sure I get what they're saying, but it's a lie.
tim pool
But you constantly hear about these Democrats going to these black churches to get votes or whatever.
And they say that, oh, it's because the churches have sway in the community.
And then, but now... Overblown, I think.
unidentified
Right, right.
tim pool
Well, tell me about that.
Why, why, where does that come from?
royce white
I think the biggest, I think the biggest, um, two things.
One, it's through pop culture.
It's through the the subtle, very underhanded presentation of a white supremacy patriarchy and that if you vote Republican then that is the patriarchy and so black people are just but it's also the Republicans don't feel the need to clear that up.
unidentified
Right.
royce white
They haven't felt the need to clear that story up.
And I get it.
I mean, if they, it's just not going to win the game.
ian crossland
I was like Morgan Freeman.
He was like, don't call me a black man.
I'm not going to call you a white man.
We're just men.
royce white
Yeah.
I mean, look, here's the thing with the, we can't, we there's a very real.
From a biology standpoint, I don't like on the right when people say, well, race isn't even real.
Like race is only real.
OK, go to a state penitentiary and see how people group themselves out of self-defense and preservation.
Race is real.
And people group themselves in certain ways based on how they look and like cultural values.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
What's wrong is when you give yourself the right to violate somebody else's natural, God-given, inalienable human rights based on their race.
There's nothing wrong with that.
say you're a mixed race man.
But you look like my grandmother looks whiter than you, by the way, she was Norwegian.
But you're a white man, I'm a black man, and that's fine.
ian crossland
It was interesting you said it was based on how they look and how their culture of values are,
but not really about who their ancestors were.
royce white
Right.
ian crossland
It really, it's an illusion of what they look like.
royce white
See, because the ancestor thing, once you get there, it all gets murky.
Because what is white if you go ancestral?
Irish, Spanish, Italian.
Your guy, who's the guy who came pick me up?
James.
No?
ian crossland
Oh, I don't know who picked you up.
You mean Brian?
royce white
Brian, yeah, my guy Brian.
My guy Brian, he's in the front seat of the car, he's driving, and he goes, uh, yeah, I'm Italian.
And I go, huh?
But he was like, but I joined the army, in the German, and I was on a military base, so is he technically, he's an Italian citizen, he's an American citizen?
All I'm saying is that what is white gets murky.
Black is different.
I'll tell you why.
Because black were full swath brought over In a transatlantic slave trade and we lost our indigenous ties, but a lot of the white immigrants that came to this country came with those cultural ethnic heritage is still intact.
So yeah, I mean it gets murky when you go to the ancestral place.
I would say that if you look at communities.
Um, black blacks tend to be grouped in certain areas, but that's changing is gentrification.
But there's nothing wrong with saying that there's race.
I don't like when the right sometimes has this boomerang effect where whatever the absurd cultural narrative is on the left, they just go opposite out of That happened with the Florida Parental Rights and Education Bill.
tim pool
I started seeing a bunch of conservatives following the narrative of the left that the bill stopped teachers from teaching kids about being gay or whatever, which is just absolutely not true.
The bill in no way stops teachers from walking up to a kid and saying these things.
And I'm like, the bill came out, There was a debate and amendments over it, and then the bill that was seeking to be passed says nothing to do about banning the word gay.
It just says you can't have, you know, sex ed effectively for pre-K to third grade.
But the Democrats ran with this narrative because it was effective.
And then I saw Republicans arguing that narrative.
And I'm like, it's made up.
You're not arguing anything.
There's nothing there.
But they walk into these traps.
royce white
Yeah, well, and it's just, you know, it's part of his laziness, you know, and just intellectual laziness.
And we built a society that makes it very hard to be a deep, critical thinker.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like talking about the differences of genetics of species of people because of the ancestry.
Like, that's fascinating to me that sickle cell anemia, for instance, was showing up more readily in like the black community in the 60s or something because of some genetic I think the issue with racism, we've talked to a lot of people about it.
interesting to talk about with everybody, any race, color,
in person of any language.
It's interesting stuff.
Like it's good to know, too.
tim pool
I think the issue with racism, we've talked to a lot of
people about it.
The reason why it's it's very obviously rejected by most people,
especially in modern times, is that, you know, if you have a guy
from Somalia and a guy from, say, Haiti, they might both have
dark skin but be wildly different in terms of their
You know, one guy might be small, one might be tall.
But then if you have laws or policy based on race, how do you actually determine someone... It sees them as the same person.
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
royce white
It's actually racist to do it that way.
To see the Somali and the Haitian person as both being black or African-American.
tim pool
Well, that's exactly it.
Because if you were to try and make an argument about, like, well, the average height, or it's like, well, I mean, some people are black and short and some people are black and tall.
Right.
And so that's the problem with race is that it really, really is superficial.
royce white
Granted, I think a conversation around... Well, it's superficial unless 30 million black babies are genocided at Planned Parenthood over 60 years.
That's where race gets real, real for me.
So, you know, my point to my conservative Republican counterparts is to say, stop saying racism isn't real because you're giving these neoliberals an out.
ian crossland
That's crazy, because I thought it like, I think of it as a class issue, but I think you're right that there was some serious racism going on by the people.
royce white
Just look at the results.
brett dasovic
Well, wasn't that already proven?
royce white
30 million black babies at a Planned Parenthood.
There'll be more babies to die at Planned Parenthood in the next two weeks than died in the Ukraine.
unidentified
Wow.
royce white
Maybe not two weeks, let's say a month, two months.
tim pool
When does life begin?
royce white
It's a tough one.
I mean, at conception.
tim pool
That's what I'd say.
royce white
Spiritually.
tim pool
I think, I think.
royce white
If we talk, look, I'm against, I'm anti-abortion.
But we've put the law into motion and there's a trajectory that makes it hard to undo without potential unintended consequences.
So I don't, I'm not gonna say that 12 weeks is, I don't know what viable is.
To me as a Christian, I'm just gonna say that maybe the government shouldn't have the choice, but culturally, spiritually, and philosophically, For me personally, to have a black mother, a black grandmother, black sisters, that we failed as a black community, one, but we failed as an American culture that women would choose abortion.
So there's two separate things to go on there, I think.
tim pool
One of the two most important questions that were asked to Judge Katonji Brown Jackson, what is a woman?
She said she couldn't provide a definition.
And that, to me, is absolutely absurd.
royce white
She was also asked- Then it's not a celebration that she's become a Supreme Court Justice at that point.
But go ahead.
If she doesn't know what a woman is, then why are we celebrating that a black woman is the Supreme Court Justice?
tim pool
Exactly, exactly.
The other question was about when life begins.
We need to, to the best of our abilities, try and quantify the world around us so that we can create effective policy and help protect people and grant them civil rights.
If we can't define a phrase, we can't protect it.
royce white
I agree.
tim pool
So in the instance of abortion and what is a woman, The reason, in my opinion, the left won't give you a definition, they'll say, I don't know when life begins, maybe after birth or something.
They have no clearly defined point, is because that way they can't do moral wrong.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Because if you say life begins at conception, it's a moral wrong at any point.
royce white
Moral relativism.
That's the linchpin of their whole ideology.
tim pool
Now they're saying after birth, and it's just like that way they can have late-term abortions.
They say, what is a woman?
Oh, I can't answer that because then you can have, you can, you can sort of massage various institutions in this country.
I think it's, it's easily defined in terms of what they're doing.
If a judge can't tell you what a woman is, but then in the same meeting, in the same hearing with only a few minutes say, Roe v. Wade is important, it protects a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy.
royce white
It's completely absurd.
tim pool
You can't use the word woman in that sentence when you can't even define what it is.
Whenever it empowers them.
royce white
What you're doing is, you're debunking a logical fallacy, and you do it well.
I watch you often.
I'm a secretarian.
tim pool
Oh, I appreciate it, man.
royce white
You're one of the best in the business at debunking illogical fallacies.
I really enjoy it.
tim pool
But I'm just trying to understand.
royce white
No, no, but there's nothing.
tim pool
Tell me the rules.
royce white
There are no rules.
tim pool
I know, that's the point.
royce white
Let's just say what it is.
They don't care about the logic.
unidentified
Right.
royce white
They don't care, because the logic to To disavow yourself from the Logos, which is a Christian idea, right?
The Logos.
To disavow yourself and detach yourself from the Logos is to give yourself carte blanche, to apply morals and ethics however you see fit, when you see fit, advantageous, in most cases, for you to be cruel and predatory and immoral.
And let's just draw a hard line.
Inception.
At inception, if you abort a child, you... Conception.
Conception.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Conception.
If you abort a child, you take the innocence of a child.
Well, that's, that's a grave sin.
ian crossland
The debate would be, it is alive.
I kind of agree that it's life when it's conceived, but is it, when does it become human?
tim pool
Conception.
royce white
Conception.
ian crossland
Well, hey, you didn't let him answer.
You answered for him.
royce white
The only reason I pause is because when I think of human I wouldn't accept the premise that the goal on the left is to even properly identify or outline what human is like he's saying and I think that in general they have a very anti-human spirit and this abortion thing
is part and parcel of it so I wouldn't even accept the premise that they are in any way
concerned with the idea of humans or humanity. They're not. Let me ask you a question. They
actually think human life in general can be deduced down to suffering and uncertainty. It's a... yeah.
ian crossland
It's kind of like they're at war.
I think you're saying mental war, like mental siege.
People really feel like they're at war, so they're acting like it.
And like, you want to talk about taking life?
If you feel like you're at war, there are no rules.
tim pool
Let me ask you a question, Ian.
Do you have a soul?
ian crossland
Um, I believe it's not mine, but I believe there's an energy field around me that I would consider my soul or a soul that I is my soul, you know, do you feel it?
Sometimes you deal the heat.
You can feel it moving through me.
tim pool
You feel that there is some kind of energy within you that is intrinsic to you or I was thinking about this because that's God, buddy.
ian crossland
It's magnetic vibration or something.
royce white
It's a bit, it's a, it's a higher power.
tim pool
I've talked to people who've said, no.
I say, do you have a soul?
And they say, I don't believe in that.
No, I don't.
And for a long time, I thought they just don't believe, or maybe they don't know the things I know.
And then I thought about, I'm like, maybe people who genuinely don't feel that, they really don't have one.
I'm not saying it's a moral judgment of the person.
No, I get what you're saying.
royce white
That's an existential bomb right there.
ian crossland
But they're sensationally muted to it.
tim pool
Maybe, maybe.
Maybe their connection is muted or whatever.
But I was just thinking about this because there's a psychological phenomenon of projection.
We assume the people we talk with know the things we know.
We assume they believe the things we do.
And if they don't, if they say otherwise, they must be lying.
If I say I know Trump is crooked and then someone else says no he's not, they must be lying because everyone knows.
They project only what they can sense of themselves.
royce white
Yeah.
tim pool
Thinking about that, I was like, I mean, I've had experiences that I can only describe as like visions and epiphanies and feelings.
royce white
Metaphysical.
tim pool
That, you know, are metaphysical perhaps, indescribable in some ways, that give me the feeling of I have a soul and there is a God.
I'm not theistic.
I don't believe in scripture or Bibles or anything like that.
I just feel like there's a greater power.
And I've had experience in my life.
I've felt things.
And then I thought about, well, if someone tells me they've never experienced and they don't feel it, maybe it's not that they're cut off or that either of us are wrong.
It's that they genuinely don't have that.
Maybe it's just that simple.
And I could project what I feel on them.
brett dasovic
So just not everybody has it.
So then the idea is that it does exist, but that not everyone has it.
tim pool
Some people are NPCs.
brett dasovic
That was the Aidan Paladin did a great video where she talks about how that's like a... That's the matrix motif.
Yeah, she talks about a study about some people just don't have an inner monologue.
lydia smith
That's right.
royce white
Or I'll give a spiritual scenario.
Maybe the aggregation of sin across time has deadened the spiritual connection at mass and that some individuals unexpectedly and completely randomly are born without a spiritual connection.
But my response to that would be to say that individuals can be brought back as a Christian.
Individuals can be brought back into faith and grace when introduced and practicing.
That there is a physical way to practice to become reconnected to the spiritual.
tim pool
I have a crazy idea.
Ian, you're gonna love it.
unidentified
Thanks.
tim pool
I have a crazy idea.
I was just, you know, thinking about DMT and I'm absolutely fascinated by it.
It's why I think, you know, Joe Rogan's fascinated.
It's why people talk about it so often.
Because you hear these stories from, say, well, just from anybody.
Prominent stories that they're entities, machine elves or beings.
You take DMT, you meet them, you go, you blast off or you go beyond the veil as it's been described.
And you meet beings who will tell you secrets, who will tell you things or make deals with you or whatever.
Some are evil, some are not.
I started thinking about that and I'm like, if DMT is naturally occurring in your brain, then are you really dreaming or are you getting a small glimpse of the window beyond the veil?
Of course DMT makes people force right through it.
The spirit molecule or whatever, as I describe it, what if...
Some people don't produce enough to create a strong connection with whatever is beyond the veil.
ian crossland
That makes a lot of sense.
tim pool
Some people produce a lot more so they naturally have a deep connection to some kind of... Alex Jones.
And either extreme can be pretty rough.
royce white
I like this idea, I do.
tim pool
People who are deeply spiritual, who can feel that feeling within them of a soul or spirit.
People who can visualize, who can just come up with beautiful works of art.
They've got some kind of connection to a vast network beyond them.
Now maybe, this is just an idea, I'm not saying it's true.
I'm saying, considering we're exploring what DMT is, we're doing this research now, and there's interesting things about it.
What if that was it?
Some people just naturally produce more, and that connects them better with, you know, something greater than us.
And some people don't, so they can't sense or feel it.
ian crossland
There's been conspiracy theory that fluoride calcifies the pineal gland.
You guys ever hear that theory?
It's been around for 20 years or something.
I've read about it.
I don't know for sure if it actually does.
tim pool
Sounds like internet mumbo-jumbo to me.
royce white
Well, here's one.
tim pool
Fluoride is a neurotoxin.
ian crossland
And the pineal gland is where the DMT is produced in the brain.
I think your muscles produce it too.
Your stomach even maybe, I think.
royce white
Here's one I know from being on anti-anxiety medication such as fluoxetine, which is Prozac, which is one of the most prescribed drugs in the world, in America, let's say.
But it's all of the SSRIs, the serotonin selective reuptake inhibitors, are proven to bring testosterone down.
So there there are I mean what the what we're putting into our body Can't be dismissed out of hand as the overall effect.
brett dasovic
It's having on society But but the question is is how much of that has been intentionally engineered and that's like we were talking soul earlier now I don't know if that's soul if we're talking soul if you're just talking about your ability to function normally but I have you know, we were talking earlier about substance abuse and actually SSRIs and Whether you're talking Xanax, Prozac, anything from those families.
Mine is with opiates.
Any of those dulls your senses, and if we're talking about your ability to feel the world around you, which, you know, whether you're talking your soul, whatever that is, your ability to understand and feel the world as it happens to you is deadened and is quieted by those chemicals, and then you have to talk about whether that was intentionally done into our communities, if it was done You know, certain people are going to have brain imbalances.
I was on, uh, I was on Prozac when I was younger, uh, eventually went off it and had took a lot of years to get off of everything entirely.
Um, and I was, I still, I tell the story a lot.
Like the first time when I realized that I could go outside without going through any withdrawal symptoms, I cried for like maybe the first time in 10, 15 years, not because nothing sad had happened to me before that, but just because there was no actual reason or way for my body to process trauma.
Before that so if you're talking about coming back to the world that was the first time in a lot of years I'd felt like soul.
royce white
I know that pain.
It feels like when you have that level mental, you know mental Health struggles anxiety depression When there are moments when you when you when you're with yourself and you really can identify that fog And when you come out of it, it's like whoa, then you really realize like that was really a deep fog I was in I just think that there's a spiritual component to it, like you're laying out.
Here's my thing.
I think where we're going with science, where we're headed with science by and large at this global science technocratic behest, I don't think that that's what this transhuman movement is about.
attitude and not trying to use this science to really ingenuinely figure out the link between us and the
spiritual world.
I don't think that that's what this transhuman movement is about.
I think this transhuman movement is to phase people out altogether because
they're nihilistic about the value of humanity.
ian crossland
I thought Greg Brayden is a good scientist that seems to be on the right path.
He has acknowledged a lot of like, he's not into that stuff, but he understands like the power of the heart and the electromagnetic frequency that it produces and stuff.
He's a, he's really fascinating.
tim pool
Many scientists have written about the next iteration of life beyond self-replicating proteins and multicellular organisms is self-replicating machines that can outlive all of us.
So, I read this one story about what year one million would look like, and it basically said that all human life and all life has been wiped off of Earth, but there are self-replicating massive machines that float around the universe, taking millions or billions of years to travel to the next energy deposit, absorb it, and then replicate itself.
royce white
Yeah, it's offensive.
tim pool
And that's it?
royce white
As a Christian, it offends me.
ian crossland
Dude.
royce white
I mean, that conception of life or just any conception of a future where humanity no longer... That's not arrogance.
That's to understand and appreciate the divine gift that God has given humanity.
Being human and any conception where we try and justify our role and the destruction of humanity is a heresy and a blasphemy against God.
It offends me.
ian crossland
It feels like we figured out how to hack our brains as humans.
Our brains expanded to a point where we figured out how to make them expand faster.
So we accelerated the expansion, kind of like kicking a fusion generator on.
And now we're just so exceedingly evolved relative to other animals on Earth.
It's really unique.
tim pool
I think there's one way to look at it.
Look, Metaverse, we've been harping on for the past couple of weeks.
It's coming.
Now, a lot of people say, you know, Tim, Metaverse is not popular.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mark Zuckerberg's is not popular.
But when Neuralink can plug your brain in...
I see it like, there are many powerful individuals who wish they could just make you do something, but they can't.
You have rights, and you have physical control of your body, so they can come at you and say, do it or else, and you can say no, and then what do they do?
Get some guys?
Oh man, how about...
We can't be gods, but if we plug everyone into the metaverse, now you can be.
Now you can cut off their finances.
Now you can eliminate them from the server.
You're outright banned.
If everyone willfully goes into the metaverse, you can be banned from it.
And now you're not participating in the economy, in the information network, in society in any way.
royce white
Terms and conditions.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And also in the metaverse, they can also be like, um, we're going to make your voice half as loud.
We're going to make everyone the same height.
Everyone wants to do as tall as they're told.
And if I'm the owner, if you're Mark Zuckerberg, you can be sitting, you can be sitting in this metaverse public square and someone comes in and says, I need to tell everybody about this oil spill.
And he goes, And you're gone.
That's what he's been doing.
Maybe not necessarily him personally, but Facebook has been purging political ideas.
Because we already exist in a digital space, in terms of our political conversations, big tech has already shown us what they will do if given more power over it.
royce white
It's the most dangerous thing.
It's the biggest existential threat to humanity, in my opinion.
ian crossland
Becoming a god in that universe.
It's like, would you want to become a god in someone else's universe where they control your godhood?
I don't know.
But it's kind of like growing up in the United States.
You're like, in the United States, you can, the American dream, you can grow up and become everything you ever wanted.
You can become a billionaire, but you're still in their universe.
If the U.S.
government wants to shut you down and cut you out of Swift and drop a bomb on your house, they have the legal authority to do it.
So you're, you're a god.
Elon Musk is a god in their universe right now.
So they're creating a fractal of that with the metaverse.
It's another authoritarian thing where you get the illusion of being God if you work hard enough and play by the rules.
tim pool
The more they expand, the more they push our lives into digital spaces, the more rights you will lose.
And you better be ready to fight for those rights because they're going to keep defaulting on it's a private business.
You don't have to be in it.
royce white
But right now, That's one of the biggest scams.
That's socialism masquerading as being anti-corporate, but at the global scale, socialism actually becomes the highest level of corporation.
And that's what the progressive left is really trying to do in their political strategy.
Steve, who I love dearly, he gives Bernie his credit for some of his positions, but I see Bernie's position in AOC and these people as not being anti-corporate.
I see that they're in on the game to merge government and state.
I mean, state and corporation at the global level, and thus usher in the serfdom, which I know Steve has talked to and agrees with, too.
But them saying they're anti-corporate is just a problem with the premise that socialism... The problem with the premise is that the state already isn't the highest form of government.
Many people don't see... I mean, the highest form of corporation.
Many people don't see the state as a corporation.
tim pool
It is.
I don't care if you call it a corporation, a government, or whatever.
Organizations.
Hierarchical organizations that have control, that have power, that can exert that power.
royce white
They want to make us serfs and slaves.
And why would we believe that megalomaniacs wouldn't have the ambition?
to domineer lesser individuals.
That just adds up 1, 2, 3.
These big tech companies are going to offer you your wildest dreams to plug your brain into their networks.
ian crossland
They've already done it.
tim pool
We're getting close.
Capital C is a different type of that's an official big tech companies are gonna offer you your wildest dreams
To plug your brain into their networks. They've already done it. We're getting close. You can go online
You can you can make your profile picture whatever you want to be
That's giving a lot of people some satisfaction.
Catfishing, for instance, is ridiculous.
Some people just want to do it.
royce white
Scary.
tim pool
But they're going to come with the Neuralink and the Metaverse and they're going to say, you can be a pirate captain.
Just install this chip and you will be the private captain.
You'll start to have a job and everything, but play these games.
You go in, they own you.
royce white
Ready Player One.
tim pool
It's weird.
royce white
What's strange to me is how many people, and I guess, I mean, it's not shocking to me because I was the guy 10 years ago saying the mental health epidemic is here and it's going to get worse.
And people were like, Mainstream, liberal, you know, writers and journalists were going, what do you mean everybody's suffering from mental illness?
I'm like, what do you mean?
What do I mean?
I mean, the evidence is clear, but I see this whole Ready Player One scenario as being more dangerous than people think on a practical level very soon because the Neuralink situation, for example, If you're not going to own anything but be happy, that means you're certainly not going to own your Neuralink.
You're going to be leasing it.
tim pool
That's right.
royce white
And if you're leasing it, that means they own it.
That means now they own a piece of your brain.
tim pool
I think what will have to happen to make Neuralink a thing is they'll need to be able to wirelessly connect you.
So, assuming it's possible, I don't know if it is.
Right now, what they're doing with Neuralink is they have these very thin, you know, metal, I guess you'd call them Yeah, threads maybe.
Threads that lightly tap into the brain and then track data.
And they've hooked them up to, I think, pigs to track their vitals and stuff like that.
ian crossland
They cut open like a quarter-sized circle and then they sew these threads into like, just under the top layer of the brain.
That was about a year ago.
That's where the tech was at.
tim pool
So it looks like what we have right now is basic read only.
If we're getting to the point where you can read and write into a brain, allowing you to have experiences, that means there's going to have to be a calibration for your brain because everyone's brain is different.
We don't have one human code.
Everyone's brain has different amounts of chemicals in it or whatever.
But getting to that point, I think implants aren't going to work.
It's going to have to be something that you can wear on your head that wirelessly projects things into your mind, which I'm not sure is possible.
But the idea that people are going to go and get fitted with surgery to have something I don't see as being realistic.
royce white
A lot of people aren't going to want that surgery.
Unless they create an economic situation where to not do it would make you so disadvantaged that you feel left out of society.
Many people will do many things to feel a sense of belonging to the society around them.
That's getting your testicles or penis cut off because you think you feel like a woman.
tim pool
Is there any job you can work right now if you don't have a cell phone?
I'm sure there, I'm sure, it's not absolute, there are some, but- Some.
ian crossland
Factory jobs and stuff.
unidentified
But they're gonna be like- Post-COVID is getting shortened.
tim pool
They're gonna be like, I tried calling you, where were you?
You weren't answering your phone.
And you're like, I don't have a cell phone.
They're gonna be like, what, why?
brett dasovic
You're not allowed to not be available all the time now.
You have to always be able to answer your phone, otherwise they're gonna say, well, why don't you have one?
tim pool
Makes no sense.
I'll tell you this, though.
If we get to the point where they can do read-write into your brain, but you'll need a surgical implant, if they go... I'll tell you this.
If they went right now and said, Neuralink is available, it's a surgical implant, it costs $2,000, lasts you for life, and you can physically experience X-Men, Skyrim, Elden Ring, whatever, you're gonna have millions of young men outright being like, save me from this.
I don't wanna be here anymore, this sucks.
I don't know about young women, because what we see with Instagram, they're much more motivated by social behaviors.
Men would be like, just get me away from it.
ian crossland
I don't want to deal with it anymore.
I've been watching a lot of gameplay footage on YouTube, and one of the guys that I watch in particular is like, sign me up.
Number one.
I'm first in line.
Get me in there.
Because he's games for a living.
tim pool
That's right.
royce white
The whole problem with this is that we've created a culture where people don't see any value in suffering or hard work.
As an athlete, it just offends me.
I just can't get beyond it.
It's offensive.
I'm like, guys.
I hear you bro.
You have to love the process of working hard, putting some sweat and some time and some energy and commitment into something and seeing the result.
That's beautiful.
ian crossland
I think like along with what you were saying, Brett, that the love, the joy that is lost when you're medicated.
Like I was just, I just for the first time saw this article from the Guardian, microplastics found in human blood for first time.
This is from like four days ago.
You talk about like drug, being drugged by, by our own refuse.
I don't know if you consider that a drug at this point, but if it's in your blood and it's not a food then.
brett dasovic
But also it's the, it's the narrative that it's not worth it anymore.
There's a lot of that going on that no matter how hard you work, you know, your parents bought a house when they were 26 and they each worked a part-time job and paid for college.
And the idea is now that no matter how hard you work, the system is rigged against you and hard work is actually seen as a negative because it's almost like you're a sucker.
You're buying into the system.
I think they want you to feel that way.
tim pool
Corporations want you dependent so you buy their products.
Government wants you dependent so you give them their votes.
The last thing they want is for someone to be like, I don't need anything from you.
I think one of the things that greatly benefits me throughout life is that I don't really have anything to lose.
Now, granted, if I have a family, that's where they get people.
They go after your family, your kids, your wife, or otherwise.
But for me, it's like, yo, I've experienced hardship to the point where it doesn't scare me.
Without anything left to lose, you have the opportunity to explore and then eventually stumble upon better opportunities, take bigger risks, and go for these things.
They want you to feel like if you lose your job, you're screwed, you're done, your life is over.
That's not true.
royce white
And that's the motif.
Again, from a spiritual standpoint, that's the motif of heaven collapsing for people.
When heaven collapses for you, the idea of a heaven, of a paradise, of something to look
forward to, all you have left is the here and now, which makes all your action and your
entire... that creates anxiety and despair because the here and now is fleeting and we
We grow up knowing it.
We were born with the intuition that the here and now is going to be short and potentially cruel and unfair.
Yeah, that would make somebody anxious and depressed.
brett dasovic
And then we get into dopamine hits and instant gratification and the fact that people don't live for farther out.
They're living just from one hit to the other, whether it's social media, whether it's drugs.
royce white
But they don't see it, they don't see it as a, you know, a lot of people don't see it as this sort of, if you created, put up on the screen somebody who was just addicted to crack, right, and they just couldn't help to have to do crack and just how that desperation will look on a TV screen, people who are using social media and this tech this way don't see themselves in that regard at all.
tim pool
I read this article in a skateboard magazine as a kid, I could be misremembering, but it was called What Now?
And Brett will totally get this because you skate, well you blade, but this was a skateboarding magazine, but same thing in this regard.
It said you're a skateboarder and you've decided to do some kind of trick down a set of stairs and you fight for it and you fail.
And you try again, and you fail, and you fail, and you fail.
And every time you fail, you're getting frustrated, you're getting tired.
Maybe you leave, maybe you come back.
But sooner or later, you land that trick.
And for a few seconds, it feels really, really good.
brett dasovic
It's the greatest feeling in the world.
tim pool
But then a few seconds later, it's gone, and you think, what now?
You chase after this thing that you can never actually hold on to.
And I think, you know, one of the things that's greatly benefited me in life is skateboarding because I've always known that.
I've always known there is no such thing as more.
There's just doing.
ian crossland
That's why I like making movies over making theater.
I used to do a lot of theater and it was lost.
After the show was done, there was no record of it.
And I forgot how I felt when I was doing it.
But man, when you record it on a camera, it's there forever.
tim pool
But it's the feeling.
brett dasovic
It's the feeling in the moment, because we film all the tricks that we do.
When you're done, you kind of... What now?
Yeah, what now?
tim pool
I've done that.
You don't get the same dopamine hit from doing the same thing as you did the first time you finally got it.
brett dasovic
We, uh, I mean, we would turn it into profiles where, like, we, uh, I would plan out sections, like 20, 30 tricks out at different spots that I knew all of them.
So you have a list of stuff to go down to and then you get into editing.
What song are you going to use?
I would plan stuff out.
I would timeline it.
So I knew this trick will be in slow motion here because this part of the song here.
Uh, and that is part of a longer, more artistic process, but that's a beautiful
thing that does work in a longer term sense than something that's more
immediate.
So it takes an immediate activity, but makes it a much longer process.
tim pool
So I bring this up because think about this.
If, uh, if you're good at your, at your craft and skateboarding is the
easiest thing for me to use.
Uh, you learn how to kickflip.
It's a basic trick, you smack the board down, jump in the air, the board flips under your feet, you land it.
You feel really, really good, you finally did it.
But eventually, it's second nature, you can just do it.
Yeah, you feel good sometimes, you know, landing a really great kickflip.
I've been doing kickflips for two and a half decades.
It does not feel the exact same.
I remember the first heelflip I ever landed, it was just, it was so, I fought for it.
And after a couple weeks, I was getting them perfect, and I'm like, this is amazing, you know, I earned this.
And every new trick I learned was a struggle and a battle, and I had to figure it out.
And it's still true to this day when I skate or blade.
But imagine you're in the metaverse.
That's gone.
You will just literally click and you've got it.
brett dasovic
Nothing tactile about it.
tim pool
Imagine how insane you'll go chasing after a dragon when you're 1,000 times faster at reaching these milestones than you would have been in real life.
royce white
Your brain's going to fry.
Exactly.
People are going to go insane.
brett dasovic
You're gonna see people.
royce white
And then it's like schizophrenic psychosis.
tim pool
I think you will be surprised.
royce white
That's the mental health crisis.
I had the intuition toward 10 years ago.
ian crossland
I had depressants when they go in.
I mean, imagine how you're going to struggle.
tim pool
That could be when people live in the metaverse.
You know, they'll start to come out.
Eventually, in a couple decades, there'll be a dude wearing a corn costume, juggling corn, as he rides a corn unicycle, and you're like, what is this?
And in his personal metaverse, he has constantly chased after something that's evolved into some weird corn reality.
And it seems ridiculous because you're like, how could someone go from a regular person to being, you know, this like corn juggling corn soup guy?
Because in the metaverse, the distance between dopamine hits is microscopic compared to the real world.
And you can reach infinite levels of pushing your brain into crazy places.
brett dasovic
It'll disconnect you from reality really fast.
royce white
I think a lot of these technocrats that sit above our society right now really believe that if they push the human... First of all, they have a hyperinflated sense of their own cognitive ability, I believe.
And they believe that if they push the human mind to that point, that there's some evolution on the other side that's going to be...
You know, a paradise of sorts.
It's just naive.
It's naive, it's reckless.
At least, at minimum, it's naive and reckless.
It could be malicious, too.
brett dasovic
And it's like you will end up losing it because like I've done, like you talk mental health, I've done, I had a whole series of videos where I would do a skating segments, one minute a day of different tricks.
And I would do a voiceover segment where I would talk about what I was going through either to film those tricks or what I was going through that day.
And one of the segments that would continually reoccur is days where I got stuck on my phone and I get doom scrolling through whether it's Twitter or TikTok or Facebook or Instagram.
Thank God most of those are gone.
All I have is Instagram now.
Like, and I would say, like, I have to get out of the house.
I have to go into the physical world and go do something that requires tactile function.
Yeah.
And then I would be like, I would feel 10,000 times better in a way that no drug could have ever done all just by going outside and feeling my physical, you know, being in the world.
tim pool
I just want to let everybody know that almost every day I go out and tear up some grass with my hand and then feed it to the chickens.
So it's like people tweet at me, like, touch grass, Tim.
It's like, yo, I have chickens.
You can hear me yelling on our Chicken City stream.
I'm like, chickens!
royce white
But it's back to that physical world.
Keeping yourself anchored in that physical world.
tim pool
I mean, I just like yelling at chickens.
I think the trees... Not like mean yelling, but just like, you know, like getting their attention and waving at them or something.
ian crossland
Andrew Huberman was saying every human should look outside for 15 minutes a day into the horizon.
It's just something that fixes the... He's a neuroscientist and he says it's...
royce white
The things that solved my anxiety, I'm just going to say as a prescription to people who are dealing with that radical anxiety and depression, the things that helped me resolve my anxiety were truth and gratitude.
tim pool
Yeah.
royce white
I think I think we're first there's an attack on truth, universal truth, the logos, like I said, but also gratitude solves a lot of these things, right?
Well, like I my concept of getting to the round of 32 and playing the Anthony Davis in Kentucky and losing but playing a good game and They go on to win and I could think back and go, well, what do I need to, but there's a, there's a, there's a moment in there in that whole, you know, paradigm of thought where you could go, man, I'm grateful for the opportunity to even have done that.
I played in front of 16,000 people, a million people on television.
I played well, my team, I'm grateful first, gratitude first, and then the pursuit of, of other things is a good model.
brett dasovic
It's the same thing.
Before I came to work here, I was working at a small apartment complex.
I couldn't drive, didn't have any way of getting around.
I just skated every day and worked.
And just being sober, just knowing that I should surely be dead by now, that there's no reason for me to be here if 99% of people had done the things I had done, wouldn't have made it out
alive. I got lucky and I was blessed to do that and have just infinite gratitude for the fact that I
was walking and alive and healthy.
And a lot of people can't seem to manage to find that when they're, you know, you have to look not
just where you're going, but where you came from. And if where you came from was something so
deep debilitatingly awful that you need to look at where you are now, you choose to be happy.
Yeah. Yes.
tim pool
Some people don't.
I'm not saying, you know, depression and mental illness don't exist.
Definitely not.
I'm saying for a lot of people, I hear these stories and they just talk about how their life's so miserable.
And I'm just like, when you wake up, it's within you to be grateful and happy and to look for the good or look for the bad.
ian crossland
And more particularly, it's up to you to choose what food you put in your stomach, because that's going to drastically alter your state of mind.
unidentified
That's true, too.
royce white
That's one of the first things I always say.
tim pool
I just want to point out, man, when we order a bunch of pizza, and then I just eat several slices.
royce white
You feel like shit?
tim pool
Yeah!
royce white
Simple enough, huh?
What food do you put in your body?
tim pool
And it really, really matters.
I guess it doesn't matter when you're younger, you don't care, but today I had lettuce wraps.
ian crossland
I think it does matter when you're younger.
unidentified
And I feel fantastic.
ian crossland
I bet if a lot of young people had really healthy diets, they wouldn't be as crazy.
tim pool
Check this out.
We did ground beef, peppers, onions, cheese, and when I was walking out to throw grass to the chickens, we have wild chives growing because they just sprout up all over the place.
Just grabbed a whole bunch of them, rinsed them off.
royce white
What'd you have?
Where's this at?
You didn't offer me any.
tim pool
It was before you got here.
royce white
Oh, okay, it's some leftover, I know.
We're gonna go find it when we're done.
tim pool
There might be, yeah, you want it.
royce white
I definitely do, the way you made it sound.
tim pool
It's good, you just take some of the mixture, you put it on some lettuce, and then we have, I've ordered some truffle mayo.
It's, you know, it's so good.
unidentified
Oh, we're good.
tim pool
And I feel fantastic.
We gotta go to Super Chats, though.
lydia smith
It is time.
tim pool
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Let's grab some of these here.
Superchats, what do we got here?
Nobody Special says, Tim, what did you think of the Batman deleted Joker scene?
I thought, wow, that movie could have actually been worse.
unidentified
Yikes.
brett dasovic
Do you guys see that?
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
The scene is beautifully shot.
Absolutely fantastic.
Shot beautifully.
I don't really like Barry Cogan as Joker.
I think they should leave the Joker off the ballot for at least five movies.
They don't need to keep going back to that character.
tim pool
They have no idea what they're doing with these movies.
And I'm like, please.
They're just beating Batman to death.
And I'm like, stop.
Just stop.
There's so much good writing in the Batman comics and they just keep pulverizing.
ian crossland
Yeah, Bane did such a good job, they just can't stop.
brett dasovic
And they keep overusing Batman anyways, I think he's overused.
ian crossland
Totally!
brett dasovic
Superman, too!
63% of DC Comics are all, you know, almost every- DC, like, survives on Bat family sales, so... Iron Man, too, man, it's gross.
royce white
Can I just throw in that I really would appreciate if they redid the Green Lantern and made a decent movie out of it.
brett dasovic
Yeah, Jon Stewart Green Lantern.
royce white
That original Ryan Reynolds- and I like Ryan Reynolds, but that Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern movie was...
brett dasovic
He doesn't like that movie either.
royce white
I bet he doesn't.
That was completely absurd.
tim pool
Have you seen The Atom Project?
royce white
No.
tim pool
It's on Netflix.
I thought it was good.
I don't think it was Lord of the Rings or anything.
I give it a C plus, B minus.
brett dasovic
We reviewed it.
I loved it.
I was like to me it's one of those things where I just movies today are so I'm so hyper focused on not on hating the agenda that gets driven into most of these films that when I just get like a general family film with nothing offensive label as far as like agenda being just shoved into it I'm like that was fantastic so like 10 years ago it'd been like a B minus or a C plus I'm like a minus yeah that was fantastic This is a really good super chat actually.
tim pool
Rilow says, if Katonji Brown-Jackson can't define woman, how can she define the 19th
Amendment?
The reason why that's a really good question is the 19th Amendment affirms a woman's right
to vote.
But if a trans woman is a woman, then women already have the right to vote.
I mean, would you lose the right to vote if you transitioned?
You wouldn't.
ian crossland
I think that we need to make trans women a word and trans men a word, I guess.
Because they're just different things than man and woman.
Trans man, trans woman.
They're just different things.
They're different definitions.
Let's go with it.
tim pool
So it says, okay, it says the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.
That's very interesting.
That means, so the amendment doesn't actually say man or woman, which would mean that based on today's logic, women always had the right to vote.
royce white
Which means that the entire suffrage movement, Where the neoliberal women went to black women and said, hey, the black man got the right to vote before you did.
Let's go after him.
That goes out the window.
The suffrage movement takes a hit.
tim pool
They don't talk about that.
They don't want you to know about that.
royce white
Oh, that the white woman went, that black man got the right to vote before I did.
tim pool
That racism played a big role in the suffrage movement.
I mean, look, I think women should have the right to vote.
royce white
Absolutely.
tim pool
Everybody should, but definitely.
And Planned Parenthood, racism played a huge role in the formation of Planned Parenthood.
You know, man, it's funny that they say the truth is right-wing.
Or, I'm sorry, they're effectively saying it.
They'll call you a liar, they'll say you're right-wing, but if you tell the truth, they'll call you right-wing, they'll call you conservative, even if you're not.
royce white
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
Welcome to the modern era.
royce white
I don't even know where the political spectrum's all over the place now.
You know that.
I mean, there's plenty of people who are traditionally liberal who have just been pushed over to the right wing by default by a far-left manic.
tim pool
Or the right wing has been pulled to encompass people who are liberal.
brett dasovic
I would have been considered a disaffected liberal who became more libertarian, at least more like, you know, minimize the state, you know, just by being pulled this way through the, just how far left the rest of the agenda is that I've just been moved that way, and then since then have grown and learned and changed my positions in certain areas, but definitely would have never been considered right-winger Republican or conservative, just not They're calling me the alt-right now.
tim pool
Alt-right?
brett dasovic
It's so crazy.
royce white
I'm alt-right.
tim pool
No, no, but my favorite is, only white people can be racist, but Candace Owens is a white supremacist.
I love that one.
royce white
That's great.
tim pool
Glyph0 says, here's to some conditioner for Ian.
Should cover inflation on it for a week.
ian crossland
Thank you.
I use a conditioner that is for infants, by the way.
I treat my hair nice.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
David, what does it say?
David C. Cronk Sr.
I find it interesting that the United States has placed economic sanctions on Russia during this invasion that we never placed on Hitler during World War II.
We are forcing our own economic demise.
I'd like to point out that Joe Biden said we were going to disseminate food shortages.
And then he also said the food shortages are going to be the result of sanctions.
And he's the one who pushed these sanctions.
So it's kind of like maybe he was telling the truth about disseminating food shortages.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Yeah, maybe.
tim pool
It's American policy.
It's leading to it.
All right.
Mickey Stone says, U.S.
generals are negotiating with Chinese officials trading Taiwan for Russia in Australia right now.
I have a reliable friend in the ADF.
That is a bold claim.
Maybe we'll see something about that, but I don't know, man.
I am skeptical on those internet claims, that evidence.
That'd be crazy, though.
Considering that Joe Biden's talking about ramping up chip production in the U.S., the U.S.
seems to be ready to lose Taiwan.
royce white
Long overdue.
One of the things he's getting right, in theory.
tim pool
Absolutely.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Good credit where credit's due.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, all roads seem to lead to white liberal women.
It's suburban white women who voted for Joe Biden.
You know, they were the big swing.
brett dasovic
There was a sign in my neighborhood when I was still living in West St.
Paul that said, vote for Kamala Harris dot dot dot and Joe Biden.
lydia smith
Interesting.
brett dasovic
So they weren't even voting for him.
Then they were voting for her for vice president.
And then I guess we'll take Joe as president just because Howard says in a big super chat.
tim pool
Thanks very much.
Respect.
You're getting closer guy.
A good job.
Is that reference to anybody?
No, nothing closer guy.
A good job getting it.
brett dasovic
I'm assuming he means me.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know anything about that.
ian crossland
Let's, let's find out.
tim pool
NSX says, this man talks like a stoic paladin.
I can't vote Australian, but you have my prayers.
royce white
Thank you.
ian crossland
Are you familiar with the paladin from Dungeons and Dragons?
Warrior of God.
He uses divine energy to protect his allies.
royce white
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
ian crossland
You have an aura of healing.
It's good.
royce white
I've never been called that.
I'm usually called pretty radical.
Maybe you guys calm me down.
I appreciate you guys allowed me to be comfortable to have a nice calm conversation.
I get theatrical.
tim pool
Alright, Dragon Lady says, Tim, I live in Toledo area where the Floyd mural was.
It was not partly cloudy that day.
Rained off and on all day.
Massive storm rolled in at the time of the lightning strike.
Sky was dark, pouring rain, high winds, much lightning.
I watched it.
Fantastic storm.
unidentified
Huh.
tim pool
Interesting.
I'm still wondering how the roof wasn't damaged and only George Floyd was blown off the side of the building.
royce white
God's wrath.
ian crossland
I'm gonna go with metal in the paint.
That's my final answer.
The whole wall was painted.
Whatever they used on his face was a special paint for him.
royce white
I want to say something real quick about George Floyd.
This guy doesn't to say that the state has gone too far that we always have to be mindful of the authority and scope of governance as Citizens is not the same to enshrine him as a hero although I know that some people may think he's a hero And looking at the situation where he was involved in the home invasion and put the gun to a pregnant woman's stomach Which I don't know if that's a true story Was it?
unidentified
Is it debunked?
brett dasovic
I thought that was debunked. I could be wrong on that.
Maybe it was.
I thought that, at least the part about him holding the gun to a pregnant woman's belly,
I heard that that was debunked.
royce white
I'm just saying that what I want people on both sides to do is separate, am I a Roman
Do you have the right to bind and beat a Roman citizen who has not been convicted of a crime?
And George Floyd, regardless of who he was in his life, has a right to have a trial.
And he had a family.
He has a humanity regardless of what he had done.
tim pool
Agreed.
Yeah, this is why I'm actually a fan of bail reform.
I think there's problems with it.
You see what happens in New York when repeat offenders just keep getting let go and crimes keep happening.
So there's got to be a way to stop that for sure.
But I don't like the idea that you could be poor get accused of a crime, let alone, you know, not even
proven have done anything wrong.
And they can say, we can lock you up for an extended period of time.
That means you're going to lose your job. You'll probably get evicted.
People will wonder where you went. It'll be hard to communicate. I'm like, no, no, no.
I actually, I think about Kyle Rittenhouse, for example, what do you spend almost three months
in jail only, only for the state to finally come out and tyranny.
What, right. What every there's video evidence.
It was clear-cut.
He should have been in and out of court.
The cops should have looked at that.
The DA should have been like, hmm.
But instead, because of politics, they were like, let's lock him up for a while.
royce white
DA's in on it.
tim pool
Kyle Rittenhouse, if he was going to be locked up by the state, should have been given a, let's just say four-star hotel.
Not five-star.
But you should have a nice accommodation because you're not convicted of any crime.
If the state wants to hold you, you should be held in complete median middle-class standards.
Instead, they put you in jail with everybody else.
You lose your job.
Now, you gotta have internet.
You should be allowed to use the phone at your own discretion.
Internet access.
You've done no wrong.
Why can't you communicate at least?
I understand saying, look, we have reason to believe you committed a crime, so we're gonna be holding you.
But because we don't want you to commit another crime or hurt somebody, but there's no reason you can't talk to your family or get access to the internet, right?
I'm not a fan of locking people up because what happens is a lot of cops use the process as the punishment.
They say, I know that I can get you two days in jail if I arrest you right now for any reason I make up or say.
So in New York, you have cops, they often do this.
They'll arrest someone because it's easier just to deal with arresting a protester otherwise.
Center the station, let them stew over the weekend, they'll get out, charge will be dropped, but it took care of the problem in the short term.
I think that's terrible.
The state should not be allowed to do this, but hey, look, New York is run by Democrats who appoint Democrat cops who do these things to themselves, and I don't live there anymore for that reason.
royce white
And it's not just the Democrat, that's a bipartisan problem, I think.
Definitely.
The prison system and the criminal justice system, but the prison system primarily, is the lowest rung of the military-industrial complex.
Law enforcement and police are the second lowest rung and it goes up to geopolitical warfare and conflict after that.
brett dasovic
And when we were downstairs talking, the first thing I mentioned is like in the Minneapolis Police Department has always been known as being extremely corrupt.
And we knew that from the beginning that that was always a problem.
royce white
There's a cultural consensus for people who live in Minnesota about the police department.
brett dasovic
Absolutely.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Jay says, I agree with Ian.
Despair is strong right now.
While I don't have a path, I am still walking.
Hope is never dead.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ian crossland
Keep walking.
I think fixing your diet up is a big key of this path.
You'll be okay.
tim pool
I like this comment.
Mike S says, it is a travesty that this man is not a leader in this world.
We need to replace the spineless cowards in the establishment with people like this.
Thank you, sir, for running and good luck.
royce white
Thank you.
tim pool
I would just like to say, he is a leader in this world.
You don't got to be in politics to be a leader.
But, you know, having political power would be great if you had good leaders, you know what I mean?
royce white
Yeah, there's been a dereliction of duty from people who are capable, let's say, of being transformative leaders in the political realm.
And look, you know, I'm still 30 years old.
I'm in the middle of a pro-mixed martial arts career.
My debut was on December 10th.
I lost a three-round decision.
Yeah, I fought on LFA, on the Fight Pass.
So I've transitioned to Pro Mixed Martial Arts and I plan to continue to keep fighting, but none of our personal pursuits right now in this time of crisis should have us abnegate our duty to society.
And that is the crux, I believe, of the fruit of an idea like nationalism.
It puts constraints on the individual's ambitions and it anchors us in charity in a Christian way and says the order of charity is local.
ian crossland
Do you have a podcast right now?
royce white
No, I don't.
ian crossland
That would be good.
royce white
Thank you.
brett dasovic
So when you're talking about the order of charity being local, meaning that you want people to help out within their own community, and that's more important than people who start to rely on the state because they feel like they're not connected to a community.
royce white
Yes, that too, but I mean that the order of charity in Greco-Judeo-Christian values is myself first, then my family, and then my immediate community.
What the neoliberal globalist movement is trying to reorder the charity to say, send money for mosquito nets in Africa for malaria.
And it's just so disconnected.
Again, it makes it so people aren't anchored in the reality and facts and truth in their immediate life.
brett dasovic
It's like it's a trick.
royce white
It's a it's a three car Monte.
brett dasovic
It's like those people who like I was like, I wish I could pay more taxes.
royce white
Like I would pay more.
I don't mind paying taxes at the pump if it means that we help the Ukraine.
brett dasovic
Yeah, that's it.
royce white
It's just it's it's actually offensive.
brett dasovic
And you can pay more taxes.
I don't think the IRS can stop you from paying more, right?
royce white
It's like the white woman from the GQ.
The perfect motif of the crisis in white liberal women is the woman who interviewed Jordan Peterson from the GQ magazine.
And he backs her into a corner and she tells us exactly what's wrong with the liberal ideology.
He says, if you're so privileged and there's so many people who could benefit from what you have, why don't you give up your job?
And she just sits back and goes, no, I'm not going to do that.
ian crossland
That's Helen Lewis is her name.
brett dasovic
All right.
tim pool
Randy DeVell says, get him on Joe Rogan.
Great podcast.
We need more men like this, Republicans and Democrats.
Keep doing what you're doing.
Proud TimCast member.
Uh, and, and, yes, and also Lily Tang Williams.
But, uh, that's just, that only happens if Joe knows who they are, because I certainly don't hit him up and be like, you know.
royce white
Alex Jones said the same thing when I was on his podcast.
And shout out to Joe Rogan.
I think what he's done is incredible.
He stood in the breach too.
And yeah, I'm a huge fan.
I saw you first on Rogan.
And then I started watching your stuff.
So yeah, shout out to Joe Rogan.
tim pool
He's a good dude, man.
royce white
That's my... eternally grateful to Joe.
That's my n-word.
I don't want to get you guys' episode brought down, but I love that Adesanya soundbite.
That's my n-word.
I love that.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Chris does stuff, says Tim, have you had an out-of-body experience?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Have you, Ian?
ian crossland
No, I've had lucid dreams where I was like flying around and I'd say, I'm flying.
And then all of a sudden I'm flying and stuff like that.
tim pool
I would say there came a point in my life where basically every single dream I have is lucid.
ian crossland
Oh, that's awesome.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
What about you guys?
Have you had out of body experiences?
royce white
My first panic attack, my first panic attack came from smoking marijuana.
Um, and I just had, it was a massive panic attack and I just was watching myself walk around.
I thought I was going to die and you know, Somehow I was able to call my grandfather.
I didn't want to call my mom because where I'm from your mom's beating you for sure.
Grandpa was a little bit more amenable so I called him but I don't even remember how I was able to manage that because I was so disordered and I was like watching myself walk around so yeah anxiety attacks often feel like that.
tim pool
So for lucid dreaming, just to clarify, there's techniques you can do.
So there's something, I think it's called like walking into a dream or something like that.
It's where you basically just use your imagination as you start to fall asleep and then basically trigger what the dream is or something like that.
There's also other things you're supposed to do.
You keep a dream journal.
You wear something consistently on your wrist or whatever that you check.
That way when you're in a dream it doesn't behave a certain way.
You instantly get snapped out.
You instantly become lucid.
There's a bunch of things that I've done just like a long time ago that became second nature.
And now it's like I'll fall asleep and then all of a sudden I'll be like, oh, I'm dreaming.
ian crossland
I was having a lucid dream and I knew I was awake, but I was asleep dreaming on a pirate ship and I started to breathe out too much and the dream started to shake like inception, like the entire reality started to rip apart.
I was like, Oh, it's the, it's an oxygenation issue or like a carbon dioxide issue.
There's something about the breathing.
Yeah, we know master dream master in here.
tim pool
All right.
Dawn's Herald says in regard to the temptation of Neuralink, quote, the devil doesn't come dressed in a red cape and pointy horns.
He comes as everything you've ever wished for.
ian crossland
That's what I thought.
royce white
Boom.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
Life.
You need it in the matrix.
I said this humans need struggle.
How boring is it if you just accomplished everything instantly overnight, you'd not be happy.
You wouldn't feel nothing.
royce white
So the rightful criticism of our system and establishment isn't that they've set up a society where people have to struggle in order to find meaning.
It's that they've been predatory and corrupt and dishonest in how they've set the playing field and presented it as one that's fair and honest when really it's overtly corrupt.
So that's my take on it.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Darius Harvey just has a good show.
Thanks for the super chat.
ian crossland
Let's see.
tim pool
Carpe Diem.
Diem.
unidentified
Haha.
tim pool
Says, hats off to Lauren Southern for getting a ban on Twitch by replaying a debate she had with Destiny.
Wait, really?
That happened?
lydia smith
Destiny's banned.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
For her whole life, I think.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
No, no.
Twitch bans are, like, temporary.
Everyone's always like, he got banned, he got banned.
lydia smith
He's solidly banned, I think.
tim pool
He got banned before over the Kyle Rittenhouse thing, and then they let him back on.
There was a good super chat I wanted to read.
Oh, here we go.
Florida Man says, Tim said he doesn't fear losing everything, but you have created so many meaningful connections that even if you lost everything, you would have a social safety net.
I think that means you've made it.
I can certainly understand and respect that, but I would just point out, the reason why I'm never really scared of losing everything is because I have witnessed people make $200 a day sleeping.
Two hundred dollars a day.
going down on Chicago and going to sleep.
And then people just, I remember, uh, yeah, just the guy, I knew this guy woke up in a
Folgers can full of cash and he was like, yeah, I make about $200 a day.
And then he bought heroin with it.
It was messed up.
unidentified
But $200 a day and seven days a week.
tim pool
Well, I don't think he sleeps, but he was just sleeping.
It's the craziest thing.
So he would do whatever his thing was, then he would go to bed at like 9 in the morning on the corner of somewhere in downtown Chicago, and then he'd wake up after a few hours with a can just full of money.
royce white
That's almost $5,200 a month.
unidentified
That's a lot of money.
tim pool
Well, I don't know if he's doing it seven days a week, but yeah, he said, so when I saw him, he had 184 something in a Folgers can just full of change and bills.
And he brought it into, he walked into the bank and he poured it into their sorting machine and then he deposited it.
And he was like, yeah.
And then I was like, man, you're making a lot of money.
He goes, yeah, but I do a lot of heroin.
So it's like, yeah.
And I was like, dude, that sucks.
And that's why he's sleeping outside because it's, but I was like, have you thought about getting clean and getting a job?
And he's like, I make too much money.
So my point with that is, I have seen American compassion, and there is copious amounts of it.
People will just give you money.
I tell people all the time, you stand in a street corner and say the word cheeseburger and nothing else?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Eventually, someone will either hand you cash or a cheeseburger.
I'm not even kidding.
Like, someone will walk into McDonald's and grab one and walk out and be like, here you go, buddy.
Because it's a dollar or two, right?
royce white
Yeah.
tim pool
Because people in America really are—they're really nice, at least in the real world.
The people in America on Twitter just want to emotionally destroy you for some reason.
unidentified
I don't know why.
royce white
My aunt that I grew up with, who's like a second mother to me, every time she sees somebody who even looks remotely homeless, she looks for cash in her car and she gives it to them.
ian crossland
I usually give them high fives, like shake their hand, and they're so much happier than when I hand them money.
Like eye contact, I'm like, I love you man.
brett dasovic
It's weird how that works.
I give a lot.
I would rather give money to somebody on the corner, because if you were to give to charity, you have to do your due diligence, you have to look at how much of this is actually going to the cause in question, how much of it is going to administrative fees and stuff like that.
I'm much more likely to just want to give it to the guy who's like, this guy's out on the court.
We go to the Walmart over here all the time.
And there's this one place where there's always people there.
And I, if I have it, I will give it to them because like, at least I know that it's going to this person and whatever he chooses to spend that on, not my choice, but I make that choice for that trend, the transactional nature of that relationship.
And I'm okay with that, at least as far as that form of charity.
tim pool
I'm wary of giving cash to random people holding signs, because I knew people growing up, it's called flying signs, and so they would be like, hey, did you want to go fly signs?
And it's like literally people with apartments around.
royce white
Oh, it's like a scam?
tim pool
I guess you'd call it a scam.
brett dasovic
It's like a job, just not a...
tim pool
They call it flying signs.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
You know what the most powerful sign I've ever seen in my life was?
I've seen a lot of signs.
What?
So first, let me just give you some backstory.
You've seen the signs where a guy says, let's be honest, I'm going to buy beer.
And the idea is to be funny.
And then it's like, ah, it's relatable.
Some people will do the normal signs like, you know, I'm homeless and I'm working really hard and I could use support.
I saw one guy in Chicago with his head down and his sign said, I have nothing, please understand.
And I almost started crying when I saw that sign, dude.
Because he didn't ask me for anything.
unidentified
So I was like, I'm going to give this guy whatever I can.
tim pool
But, you know, I'll give to people, you know, but when I do give to somebody who's just flying a sign, I'll be like, the money I'm giving you is for you to do whatever you want with.
Have a good day, man.
Like, it's literally the ideas.
You might just take the cash because you make a lot of money doing this.
You're not homeless.
I don't care, whatever.
But I much prefer to just do massive tips at restaurants.
Because then you've got someone, they're working a job, probably not the greatest job in the world, you've got to deal with crappy customers.
I always like, in whatever capacity I can, just do a massive tip because then it's like you're being rewarded for the work you're doing right now.
ian crossland
That was a lesson I learned from my mom.
If I didn't have a job, she wouldn't help me out financially at all.
But if I got a job, she'd be like, okay, I'll help you out with your rent if you can't afford it, if you have a job.
brett dasovic
My dad told me that what he would do is, like, he would go out and he'd see people with Vietnam veteran signs, like, I'm a Vietnam vet, and he would quiz them on, like, what rifle did you carry?
Because he wouldn't give it to them unless they for sure served in Vietnam.
I thought that was very clever of him to at least keep them honest in that way.
royce white
The hardest thing I think for us to decide going forward as a society is what to do with the least amongst us.
What's reasonable to do.
And it's not an easy, it's not going to be an easy solution.
And anybody who says that they have some fail-safe solution at how to approach that, they're just kind of being dishonest.
You know, it's going to, it's a hard one.
Because especially if, I know how close I was, and your people are hitting the chat and I appreciate their compliments, but They also got to realize that I'm a testament.
I was this close I could easily been dead or overdosed or in the gutter from being addicted to benzos and I got them prescribed by a doctor So imagine how many people are coming by this circumstance and in ways that aren't malicious or you know You know what else I want to mention too?
ian crossland
Lack of character.
tim pool
But what about the other direction?
I want people to hear this.
You told a story about how you stood up for what you believed in, and you refused to back down.
You could have been a superstar, but you decided that there were certain things that were more important.
So now you're still fighting, you're still leading, you're fighting now, literally fighting.
royce white
Literally, yeah.
tim pool
But you're doing your thing, you're always doing, you know what I mean?
There are a lot of people that, I'm willing to bet, a lot of people told you to shut up and dribble.
royce white
Oh, the entire liberal establishment.
That's the ironic part.
From root to branch, the entire liberal establishment said, you're too smart for your own good.
If you just play, you'll have more leverage to get them to do what they should do.
And yeah, I mean, I just gave him the finger and said, you know, let's play the long game.
Let's play the long game in my life and let's play it in the eternal and see who wins.
tim pool
I think you're doing well, man.
ian crossland
Did you have a moment like a flexing moment where your mental health like just something changed?
royce white
Yeah, it was telling the truth and having gratitude.
unidentified
You found the right path.
royce white
But it started early, right?
The only snag I had in there is that I was still tied to my material dreams and that I thought I could salvage something with the NBA and have that career.
But I got to a point where I realized that we are antithetical.
Our energy, I don't say energy in a fake woke way, I mean like the momentum of where we're headed is antithetical.
But the real turning point for me was a 14-year-old, when I first started talking about anxiety in the public square, when this whole NBA thing broke out, a 14-year-old girl who I thought was, said she was a 14-year-old girl out of New Jersey, sent me a message on Twitter and said that she was a cutter, that she had cut herself, and that me talking about mental health in the public square gave her hope.
And I took that to a conversation with David Stern, Um, and said, these are the people that you are obligated to.
The, these are the people that you're obligated to spearhead this movement for and be honest.
And he scoffed at it.
And from there we were mortal enemies.
Me as a righteous and divine warrior for God and the Christian Christian faith that I serve and him as a, as a, uh, uh, you know, uh, a chameleonic globalist authoritarian elite and we're, and we're at odds.
So yeah, the war is on.
tim pool
Right on, man.
All right, everybody.
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So let's get out there.
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You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
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Royce, do you want to shout anything out?
royce white
RoyceWhite.us, that's our campaign website.
You can also follow me on Getter and Substack.
I appreciate it, man.
Thanks for having me on.
Godspeed.
brett dasovic
Thank you.
Guys, you can follow me at Brett Dasvick on Instagram, but also PopCultureCrisis on YouTube.
If you go to the YouTube channel, we cut up all the segments into videos.
I didn't have as much to say tonight, but I promise I have a great amount to say on just about everything we talk about there.
Probably more than most people would expect.
And then if you do that, in the description box of any of those YouTube videos takes you to the Spotify playlist that has all the episodes start to finish.
It's the best way to watch the show.
Me, Miracle, and we're gonna have some more changes and some different things coming with the show in the near future.
unidentified
Sweet.
ian crossland
I wanted to make sure you, you're on Twitter too?
Yeah, Twitter, but... Highway underscore 30.
royce white
Highway underscore 30.
ian crossland
That's what I tweeted out.
I want to make sure it's you.
royce white
It's a graveyard.
Maybe you guys got more juice than me.
I've been shadow banned for years on Twitter.
ian crossland
You're lit up tonight.
royce white
Thank you.
unidentified
Thank you.
ian crossland
Hey, Brett, good to see you again, man.
Royce, amazing to meet you, man.
royce white
Thank you, brother.
Thank you, guys.
I can't tell you, look, the establishment told me face to face, if you don't do what we say, there's no chance that you'll have a voice and you'll be able to help people.
And you guys doing stuff like this and giving me a platform, allows me to do what I want to do and proves them wrong.
So thank you.
I really appreciate it.
ian crossland
Yeah, brother.
I will see you guys next Wednesday.
I'll be out of town on a little adventure and I'll let you know how that goes.
lydia smith
Alrighty.
Yes, thank you very much for coming tonight, Royce.
I hope that more people will follow you and learn more about you, your fighting career, your basketball playing career, and that Guardian article that came out that was actually pretty good about you.
I recommend people go check that out for sure.
Get a little background on Royce.
You guys may follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sour Patch Lens.
tim pool
We will see all of you guys, well actually, you can go right now to youtube.com slash chicken city if you wanna see some sleeping chickens and a bunch of new babies just hatched.
And we have the vlog going, the vlog is back up at youtube.com slash castcastle.
So check that out.
And other than that, we'll see you all on Monday.
Thanks for hanging out.
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