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Feb. 11, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Canada FREEZES Freedom Trucker GiveSendGo, Declares Donations ILLEGAL w/Nick Searcy
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tim pool
Thanks for watching.
First GoFundMe says we're shutting this down.
Now you've got government officials basically saying that these donations are, you can't give them out, it's illegal, it's illegal activity.
They're going to block it from transferring through banks.
It's pretty serious.
But let me just say, over-target much.
When Black Lives Matter goes out and does whatever they want, when Antifa goes out and does whatever they want, they don't care.
They barely do anything.
Why?
Because it's not actually in opposition to the system.
And this is how you can tell.
When truckers show up and park their cars, it is so disruptive, Trudeau has crybaby panic attacks, and the government desperately tries to stop the funding of these protests.
We got more news that apparently, I don't know if this is true, there's going to be a US convoy starting at the Super Bowl.
And I kind of, I don't know if I believe that, because that sounds like, you know, why would truckers go and protest regular people who are mining their own business?
Why would they go to a government building or DC or something?
But we'll get into all that stuff.
We've also got inflation.
Inflation is bad.
It's the worst since 1982, except when you actually take a look at how the Consumer Price Index is calculated.
If we were to calculate today's inflation rate using the same methodology as 1982, it's actually worse.
And you'd have to go back to World War II to see worse inflation.
That is to say, Joe Biden is presiding over some of the worst inflation we've seen in 70 years.
Okay, fine.
We'll use the modern calculation and say 40 years.
But the thing is, every single month, they say the same thing.
Why?
Because every single month, inflation just keeps getting worse.
All right.
We'll talk about that.
We also had at Madison Square Garden in New York City, a sold-out crowd at Madison Square Garden chanting, Let's Go Brandon, which is insane because it's New York City.
You know, I think people hate Biden.
But we'll get into all that stuff.
Joining us to talk about all this is Nick Cerci.
How's it going, man?
Thanks for coming.
nick searcy
Thanks for having me.
It's great to be here.
It's a cool setup.
tim pool
Appreciate it, man.
Do you want to introduce yourself?
nick searcy
Well, I think everybody knows who I am.
tim pool
People in the chat, certainly.
nick searcy
Yeah, I'm Nick Searcy.
Hey, everybody.
International film and television star.
tim pool
People may know you from such shows as Justified and movies like Fried Green Tomatoes.
lydia smith
Castaway.
ian crossland
You were in that movie with Tom Cruise.
nick searcy
Not the volleyball.
seamus coughlin
Tom Hanks.
ian crossland
Tom Hanks.
seamus coughlin
I said Tom Cruise.
He did not play Wilson.
unidentified
Although the volleyball got more close-ups.
tim pool
Yeah, right on.
And you also have a film, Capital Punishment?
nick searcy
Yeah, a documentary that we made about what's happening to the people who went to Washington on January 6th.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, we can talk about all that as well as the Gosnell film you made.
That's about the...
Wow, we've got to be careful how we describe this because it's so graphic and gruesome.
seamus coughlin
Most prolific serial killer in American history.
tim pool
Yep.
Killing babies.
And we're not being, you know, facetious, cute, or hyperbolic about abortion.
No, he literally killed babies.
unidentified
Right.
nick searcy
He would induce birth and then kill the baby.
lydia smith
Yikes.
tim pool
So maybe we'll save that for the members portion because that's real dark stuff.
seamus coughlin
That's pretty dark.
nick searcy
Pretty dark.
tim pool
But we've got Seamus here as well.
seamus coughlin
Seamus Coughlin, not everyone knows who I am.
I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
We upload a new cartoon every Thursday.
We just uploaded one today called Fed Talks, and it's a parody of Ted Talks.
I think you guys will really enjoy it.
It's very relevant to what's been going on in the news with some of these undercover operations.
I hope you all check that out and enjoy it.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland here.
I'd like to maybe, thinking maybe we could change the way we think about inflation, say inflation's getting better, which means the economy's getting worse.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
I'm really excited for tonight's talk.
lydia smith
Nick is a very accomplished actor and I'm sure he has a lot to say about the wonderful world of Hollywood and hopefully we can get into Gazanel.
I'm really interested in that.
tim pool
And actually worked with the Armorer that Alec Baldwin had worked with, too.
So we'll get into that stuff.
That'll be interesting.
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And I'll also add, for some reason, YouTube won't allow me to post that anymore.
seamus coughlin
Crazy.
tim pool
For a while I was posting one like equals one honk.
And then I would pin it to the chat, and for the past few days, it won't let me.
Every time I try, it just errors out and doesn't post the message.
seamus coughlin
But isn't it hilarious how desperate they are?
There's literally nothing the establishment can do to stop these people, and they're like, well, we won't let you say honk on the internet.
tim pool
That happened.
Apparently someone got banned from Facebook for posting honk.
But we'll get into that.
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This is huge news.
I can't believe it.
From globalnews.ca, Ontario freezes funds from GiveSendGo trucker convoy fundraiser.
The Ontario government says it has successfully petitioned a court to freeze access to millions of dollars donated through online fundraising platform GiveSendGo.
My first question is, are they based in Canada?
And how can you actually stop this from getting to people?
You can't.
The GiveSendGo organizers could just convert it to Bitcoin or crypto and there's nothing anyone could do to stop them.
However, that would be against this court order, just so you know.
I don't know if it's illegal, but they're going to say, the province obtained an order from the Superior Court of Justice that prohibits anyone from distributing donations made through the website's Freedom Convoy 2022 and Adopt-A-Trucker campaign pages, said a spokesman for Premier Doug Ford.
Ivana Yelich said the order binding any and all parties with possession or control of these donations was issued Thursday afternoon.
She cited a section of the criminal code that allows the Attorney General to apply for a restraint order against any offense-related property.
This is really, really amazing stuff.
I want to show you this post from Andrew Lawton.
Here's a quote.
Says the Ontario government says it has effectively frozen all donations.
Quote, today the Attorney General brought brought an application in the Superior Court of Justice for an order pursuant to section 490.8 of the Criminal Code prohibiting any person from disposing of or otherwise dealing with in any manner whatsoever any and all monetary donations made through the Freedom Convoy 2022 and Adopt-A-Trucker campaign pages on the GiveSendGo online fundraising platform.
This afternoon, the order was issued.
It binds any and all parties with possession or control over these donations.
I don't know, are the people who have set the page Canadian?
And I wonder, ultimately, if it's gonna matter.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, also, even if they're not based in Canada, the Canadian government can say, we'll never let you operate within the borders of our country again, or something along those lines, unless you surrender the money to us.
tim pool
So here's what I don't understand, right?
They say disposing of.
Disposing of?
So if you have these donations and you're like, I'm going to refund them, you can't do that?
You can't refund them?
It says otherwise dealing with.
What if they came out and said, you know, well, look, if we can't give them to the truckers, we're going to give it back to people.
No, you can't do that either.
So they're effectively stealing the money?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Locking it in place that no one can touch it?
seamus coughlin
That's what it sounds like.
tim pool
Sounds like despotism.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, look at how these kinds of things go.
When BLM riots, burns down cities, gets people killed, absolutely destroys lower class neighborhoods, they are given federal relief money from J.B.
Pritzker in Illinois.
Your taxes end up funding them.
When people voluntarily decide that they want to support working class people standing up for their rights as workers, that money is stolen from them.
ian crossland
Looks like Gibson goes based out of Boston, Massachusetts, according to crunchbase.com.
So I would imagine they don't really have any liability here.
No foreign government can make them do anything.
tim pool
But it's the people who started the page.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
So that's what it is.
They're in Canada.
nick searcy
Yeah, I just don't, I don't understand how they can do that.
I don't, I don't see how that works.
I mean, how do they stop them from, from giving money to somebody that they want to give money to?
I mean, what?
tim pool
And, and, and who?
seamus coughlin
Right?
tim pool
So, so that's why this is, it's, you know, let me just slow down.
Holy They are desperate.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
They're saying this money from this fund, you can't do anything with.
Why?
Because how do they prove the money was given to someone involved in the trick or convoy?
If there's a guy named Bob Smith and they're like, we gave him $500,000, you know, they're going to be like, well, that's the convoy.
No, it isn't.
unidentified
Prove it.
tim pool
Prove this guy.
ian crossland
How?
nick searcy
Yeah.
tim pool
And so they just say, well, then no one can touch any of the money.
Well, so what happens then if, I mean, this is ultimately, I think they're trying to cause damage to Give Send Go.
nick searcy
Right.
Well, Gibson Go was a Christian organization that was created as a response to GoFundMe being so relentlessly left-wing.
The Gosnell movie, they started the fundraising campaign to raise money for the Gosnell on GoFundMe and then GoFundMe rejected it.
They said they couldn't raise money on that platform because of the subject matter.
And so they had to go to Indiegogo.
Wow.
They've been this way for years.
seamus coughlin
Well, the thing with GiveSendGo, I mean, was my comment earlier off base, is it possible that the Canadian government could legitimately just say to them, you can't operate here unless you surrender the funds?
tim pool
To the company itself.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
Like, what other mechanism is there?
Yeah, what other mechanism is there?
Is what I'm curious about.
But you're saying it's a Christian company, so I hope that's not the case, and I hope they would stick up for their principles.
I don't want to suggest that is what's happening.
tim pool
I have no clue.
I hope Canada bans GiveSendGo.
And I don't mean that literally.
I mean that like, try it.
Imagine what that would sound like to the rest of the world.
Canada bans fundraising platform for engaging in offenses.
Wow.
This is, I just got to say over target.
Kind of scary, actually, how effective the trucker thing is and how panicked they are.
They're trying to claim, oh, far right, right wing, all that other garbage.
And it's just a bunch of trucks that parked.
You know what I mean?
seamus coughlin
They're going to keep claiming it.
tim pool
Did you guys hear that they want to go after their kids now?
lydia smith
Yeah.
nick searcy
There was that story where apparently they're... Child endangerment or something if you bring your kids with you to the con.
tim pool
And it didn't work?
nick searcy
No.
tim pool
So now they're just like, give us your money.
It's not gonna work.
It's not gonna work.
You know what's crazy is it's really easy to throw a wrench in the spokes.
It's really hard to build an engine.
It's really easy to break one.
So you get these guys who got these big rigs.
It's not the most expensive operation ever planned.
It's not the most expensive protest we've ever seen.
It's just one of the most effective.
Imagine if there really is gonna be a U.S.
trucker convoy or whatever.
If truckers, even in small groups, decided we're going to take what we want from now on, no one could stop them.
lydia smith
To me, it looks like they really need something that's less centralized.
So they tried GoFundMe, and now they're trying GiveSendGo, and they're having kind of the same problems with both platforms.
Even though GiveSendGo is much freer than GoFundMe was, it sounds like they need a way to get these individual funds to the truckers that need it without going through a central system.
Am I crazy?
ian crossland
No, you're not.
If you're using fiat in any way, it's going to go through a central service to get to its target.
The only way to do something non-centralized here, I think at the present, would be with crypto from your wallet to their wallet.
tim pool
So we actually have a statement from GiveSendGo.
They tweeted, Know this, Canada has absolutely zero jurisdiction over how
we manage our funds here at GiveSendGo.
All funds for every campaign on GiveSendGo flow directly to the recipients of those campaigns,
not least of which is the Freedom Convoy campaign.
seamus coughlin
Beautiful.
tim pool
Except, if the people who are getting the money are in Canada,
then the Canadian government is going to go after their bank accounts.
So give, send, go can be like, yo, you can't do anything with this money.
Yeah, well, yeah, the money's flowing, but they're going after the individuals who are raising the money.
So I'm wondering if the people who set it up are in Canada.
And that's the big question.
It would be really funny, I gotta be honest, if the people who set the page up are not in Canada, And we're just like Americans who are like, we're gonna help fundraise for this.
Because then Canada really is just having a temper tantrum and they can do nothing about it.
unidentified
Do nothing.
lydia smith
Well, I'm worried about, remember how they just seized the crypto keys from the people who are running this kind of Bitcoin scam?
And I think it was New York City, the Crocodile Wall Street or whatever this lady and her husband called themselves.
So I'm curious if they're going to try to use this as a way to get the whole control of crypto jump started.
I wonder if they'll use this as a way to like wedge in.
ian crossland
I just thought last night, first time I thought this, I think maybe Crypto itself, Nakamoto, Satoshi Nakamoto, maybe that that is like a government operation to get, and then they're gonna crash the fiat system and then get everyone on crypto and then track everybody.
tim pool
I mean, I literally said this two years ago.
ian crossland
So it's finally sinking in today.
unidentified
And I said it over and over again to you, Ian.
Thanks, dog.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, so there's that big story about the Crocodile of Wall Street lady.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
These two people, apparently they're accused of wire fraud, stealing, hacking, you know, billions of dollars in Bitcoin.
And I've been saying this, I remember I was hanging out with Luke from We Are Change a few years ago and I was
telling all his buddies and I was like, the ledger is public, every crypto transaction is public,
so unless you're using Zcash or Monero or something, but even then,
these people who got busted, they were using Monero.
And the government still tracked it.
It's like, look man, you got powerful interests that are terrified you're gonna try and circumvent the tax system.
They're gonna figure out a way to find out how much money you got and why.
So, you know, ultimately...
This all comes together when you realize what a lot of people on the right have been talking about what cashless society looks like.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Yo, you're in it.
You know, right now, I've got some cash in my pocket or whatever.
If I want to go buy something, no one can take that cash from me unless they come and take it.
But if you got all your money in a bank account, they could just be like, wrong thinker, now you can't buy food.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, the other thing we're seeing too is kind of like, as an aside but somewhat related, you see they're having National Guard act as substitute teachers?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
National Guard is being deployed to act as teachers.
unidentified
Where?
tim pool
In New Mexico, 79 National Guard were deployed to be teachers and they're saying there's going to be more.
And I'm just like, yo, we're getting to the point where they're going to steal your money right from underneath you.
Imagine what the future looks like when they can take your money away because it's digital and they control the banks and the financial institutions.
Think about what the future likes when they issue a universal basic income.
Everybody gets $2,000 a month.
The private sector has been destroyed by all these insane restrictions.
All that's left are big box stores where you can buy stuff.
You get a funded amount of cash.
The people working at those stores are all National Guard.
Sounds a whole lot like communism.
ian crossland
Yes, I heard that there, uh, this was just a one person on Twitter said that by 2026, they want to have kill switches in all cars, like remote kill switches.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
So that if you don't, or you're a wrong thinker, your car turns off.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
I don't know if it's because if you're a wrong thinker or something, I think it's like a tech backup or something.
They don't want anything to go wrong, supposedly.
tim pool
They want it so that when you're running from cops, the cop can press a button and turn your car around.
lydia smith
Didn't they just do that?
Didn't they just hack some guy's GPS system and freeze his car because he was running from cops?
I saw a news story about this.
I swear you guys can fax it to me.
nick searcy
Well, it's for your own good.
lydia smith
Everything is for your own good.
seamus coughlin
You're really sounding ungrateful here, Lydia.
lydia smith
I know, I know.
I'm sorry.
seamus coughlin
What's her deal?
tim pool
Yeah, just accept when the government decides they know what's best for you.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
Because I think if history has taught us anything, it's that, you know, the government is always looking out for your best interests.
lydia smith
Yeah, and the police are great.
tim pool
I love that meme where it's like, it's a Twitter post and the guy's like, so yeah, the CIA did bad stuff in the 50s, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s.
No one's ever been criminally charged or held accountable, but We can't assume they're doing anything wrong now.
seamus coughlin
That's a conspiracy theory.
nick searcy
I'm talking to people about how the government's lying about January 6th.
I go, oh no they're not.
I go, what convinced you that the government wasn't going to lie to you?
Was it Vietnam?
Was it Tuskegee?
Was it JFK?
What was it?
tim pool
But this is the thing, you know, when I hear These people arguing with you about it, just why?
Why even talk to them anymore?
It's just, I'm so over it, I'm so beyond it.
The people in the, I don't know what you call it, liberty side of things, have this tendency to think that they're playing a fair game of chess.
nick searcy
Right.
tim pool
While the other side is snickering amongst themselves about how they've been cheating the whole time.
ian crossland
Yeah, Massey was saying last night, Thomas Massey was on the show, Congressman, and he was saying that it's like he goes in there and he has to almost forget most of what he knows about engineering just to participate in Congress because it's so emotionally charged and people are, Like wild animals, you know, working off their feelings Yes, I didn't say that that's me interpreting what he said, but I agree with the emotion thing, but it's it's like it's so much more raw than you realize You're talking to a brick wall, you know when you're talking to someone So I'll give you guys an example and I'll give a shout out to our good friends the Young Turks because they deserve it We love them.
tim pool
I just want to I just want to say to you know, Anna Kasparian I don't understand why she's such a mean person.
I She's better than me. I'm told. Well, I mean, she's just a
mean person. And you know, I've talked about the Young Turks. I've talked about a bunch of
people and I'll criticize them. But I always try to keep it to a certain degree, depending on
who it is, like CNN, they get nothing from me. Like they're awful. You know, all of them
are just vile people. But, you know, I recently tweeted something nice to Cenk Uygur because he
tweeted out, try being nice to someone and see, see how it makes you feel.
And I was like, I respect and agree with that.
So I tweeted at Cenk, I was like, I think you're a smart man who's widely successful with one of the biggest political shows.
And I respect your hard work that you put into this.
It's all true.
It's all true.
The dude is wildly successful.
You don't gotta like the guy or agree with him to recognize the thing he's built.
And he liked it.
He clicked the like button on that.
So they did this segment.
We were talking about January 6th.
And we had Enrique Tarrio on of the Proud Boys.
And I had mentioned, look, the people at the front gate of the tunnel entrance of the Capitol, and the front entrance where they're fighting with cops, that whole area.
All those people, okay, that was violence, that was a violent riot.
Yeah, you get arrested for that.
You commit an act of violence, we arrest you.
Those people, yeah, hands down, we get it.
You're gonna get them for whatever you get them for.
But there are a lot of people who are the Maga Mimas, as we call it, who are walking around and then all of a sudden you see this video of the cops opening the barricades and fanning people in.
So my specific point was If you're walking down the street and a police officer goes like this and waves you in, opens up the barricades, you are not trespassing.
You are not legally trespassing in any circumstance.
Now, the prosecutors here might lie and just claim we don't care what the reality is.
That's called tyranny.
But if, let's say it's not the Capitol.
Let's say my house has a barricade up and you're walking on the street and I open the barricade and wave you in.
I cannot then attack you and claim you trespassed.
So hold on, let me finish this point.
So when I tell this story and I said that the people who entered under the circumstances, I don't see how you can even get them for trespassing.
What ends up happening is, you know, Anna Kasparian makes this whole video where the one thing I just don't understand is, she's like, she accuses me of saying these things knowing it's false because I just want to make money.
They then try to allege that because other people on the other side of the building were fighting with cops, that means the other people on the other side of the building who are let in by the cops are committing crimes.
And I'm just like, that's the point of... You know, I don't bring them up to actually engage in any meaningful dialogue with them because they don't want to.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Because I've politely asked them, because I have Jenk on DM, I message him, and I'm like, hey, we'd love to talk.
Like, let's talk.
They won't do it.
They have no interest whatsoever in having real conversations.
I'm not gonna insult them.
I literally just complimented the man's work, but instead what they do is they make insults, they insult my appearance, they don't engage with the core of what the actual statement or argument is.
So at this point, with all of this stuff going on, I just say, the only thing that matters right now that these people are interested in is power.
They don't care about truth.
They don't care about arguments.
It's power.
And if we, as the libertarian side of things, I don't mean big L, I mean just the more freedom-oriented people, keep saying, why won't they understand?
Maybe if we keep trying to convince them to understand, they do understand.
They're lying about it.
Look, I sent, I tweeted at Anna, I commented on their video, I DM'd with Cenk periodically saying, let's talk.
And I said, what I said was a specific reference to a story from ABC News where the defendants in the case on January 6th said, the police let us in and told us it was okay.
And my point is, if that is discernibly true, you can't prosecute on trespassing in any circumstance.
I mean, there's probably some technicalities.
Instead of actually taking the core of that argument, she just says, Tim's lying for money, he's a grifter, he knows he's lying, and they totally misrepresent the entirety of the conversation.
There's no point in arguing with these people.
So right now we're at a point where this country is so far divided, There's just, you are wasting your time when you should be doing grassroots organizing.
Some kind of effective growth strategy.
seamus coughlin
There's an old saying that when you argue with a fool there are two.
I do think there's one exception here.
If someone says something ridiculous like this to you and then you respond and you have a reasonable argument, The moderates will see that, and they will be more likely to take your side in the future.
If the person you're arguing with responds to your reasonable response in bad faith, then I think you just have to discontinue the conversation.
ian crossland
Yeah, and then they look like a fool.
Because if you respond to their bad faith, then you look like an idiot.
seamus coughlin
Because you look like you're, because honestly you look like you're reacting emotionally because you know you can't reason with this person.
You're only continuing with the argument because you want your ego to come out on top.
You're not going to win, right?
It's like playing chess with a pigeon.
They're going to knock the pieces off the board, take a crap, and strut around like they won, right?
ian crossland
Winning isn't like I was right or you were right because we're both probably right describing the same thing differently.
tim pool
No, no, no, dude, dude, dude.
In this specific context, there is a video you can watch of the police opening the barricades and fanning people in.
ian crossland
Oh, my question is, if there's a cop on your driveway and you had a no trespassing sign and they were waving people in, and you didn't know, would those people not be trespassing then because a cop waved them in?
seamus coughlin
Well, but Ian, if it was a police officer charged or if it was a security agent specifically charged with protecting the parameter, like the Capitol Police are specifically charged to protect that parameter and they were the ones letting people in.
tim pool
And they were the ones holding the barricades, so let me make this point, okay?
They opened the barricades up, there's video of it, there's numerous videos, and multiple officers fanning people in.
Now the argument is, they were fanning the officers back, saying retreat, because the mob was pushing too hard.
The mob didn't break the barriers down, the cops opened them up, and that was at least at one entrance.
You have to understand that when it comes to criminal law, an individual is an individual.
On January 17th, 2020, the police in DC tried charging Antifa as a group under conspiracy.
It doesn't work.
You can't do it under our legal system.
That means each individual in that crowd gets an individual charge.
Now there's some circumstances where you get racketeering, you get people as a group.
There's numerous videos of that.
There's another video where the doors are actually opened by the police.
And one guy goes, I don't know man, they're gonna trap us inside.
Because the police opened the door.
And then one officer says, I don't agree with it, but I respect it.
Now if you're walking into a building and a cop says that, how could you be criminally prosecuted under trespassing when trespassing requires you know you trespassed?
And I'll give you the specific example is, when we had the police here, Talking to them, the officer told us, if you don't have a sign, if it's just a driveway, the public is allowed to enter.
You can then tell them to leave, and they have to, and if they don't, then it's trespassing.
By placing the sign, now it's trespassing.
And it is true.
At the Capitol, there were many signs.
Except not everywhere, and many of them were taken down, and the police even removed some of those barracks.
ian crossland
So in the home situation, you have to have a sign on the driveway?
Because what if they walk onto your property from like... Okay, come on, come on.
tim pool
We're not going to get into the nitty gritty.
ian crossland
Well, this is my question.
That guarantees they see it, is if it's in the entrance.
But if they enter from a different area, and they don't see a sign, is it still trespassing?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Even though there's a sign?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
So you're supposed to assume they're supposed to enter from the driveway.
tim pool
Ian, Ian.
It's a pointless... I'm sorry.
ian crossland
Or on the front door or something.
tim pool
If you're sneaking through the woods to get on a property or trespassing, there's no argument.
ian crossland
Some people walk.
I know it's not common, but I'm just wondering for technicality.
tim pool
So, you would have to trespass on someone else's property to trespass on our property without going through normal means.
There's no argument.
But you were going to say something, Nick?
nick searcy
Well, I was there myself on January 6th, and I saw myself, I saw the police remove the barricades and let people get up on the steps of the Capitol.
I saw them do that.
And when the people that I saw got on the steps of the Capitol, it wasn't It wasn't violent.
It wasn't a riot.
They were waving flags and they were singing, we're not going to take it.
And it looked like a party.
I didn't see any of the violence when I was there.
But one of the people in our movie, two of the people in our movie, are these two twin 74-year-old grandmothers who went to the Capitol that day and they said they saw some people going in and out of the doorway at the Capitol building.
And one said to the other, do you want to go in?
And they decided to go in and they talked to the police.
They went and they said to the policeman, is it okay if we're in here?
He said, yeah, it's fine.
They walked in, they took some pictures, they walked back out, they went home, and three weeks later the FBI is banging on their door.
Threatening them with domestic terrorism.
You're on a no-fly list.
tim pool
So this is what you need to understand, Ian.
When you told Seamus, you know, we're both right in different ways or whatever.
You said that.
This is not true in this case.
The Young Turks either are ignoring what I actually said on the show.
When I explained there's a video showing police letting people in and saying they respect what they're doing.
They ignore that.
They put the clip of me saying that.
in their video and then argued people were climbing over broken glass and fighting with cops to get in.
So that is taking it either look maybe maybe they're just not smart enough.
ian crossland
Both are true, right?
There were people climbing over violently.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
The video they showed was of me saying the door was opened by police and the police said I respect it.
They then took that of me saying it and and twisted it So that their audience believes I'm saying people climbed over broken glass, how could that be trespassing?
Which is, I never said that.
You read the comments, and it's so sad.
And this is why I understand the desire to want to argue with these people.
Because they're all saying the same thing.
If they were fighting with cops and breaking glass and climbing through windows to get in, how could Tim be so dumb?
And I'm like, man, I sure do wish the Young Turks were just honest about what I actually said to Enrique Tarrio, that the people who engage in violence should be prosecuted, they should be in prison, the people beating cops should be arrested, the people fighting with police in the tunnel should be arrested, and the memos, who were welcomed in by police, whether you agree with it or not, I did not say they're innocent, I said, you probably can't prosecute on trespassing, unless there was an explicit warning, which there wasn't, there was welcoming.
Now, if they were honest, I would love to engage in an argument with them, but they're taking what I said out of context, changing the context, lying to their audience, and then when I politely say to them, I'd love to explain, they refuse to engage.
Look, I'll say it.
I'm not going to mock Anna the way she does of me and my appearance and things like that.
I'll just say I believe the Young Turks are legitimately evil people.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Bro, hands down.
ian crossland
When I think of Young Turks, I think 2006, 2007.
Thank God for the Young Turks because they spoke out against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and they were clear and concise and we needed that.
But I think at some point that company may have been turned inward or their rage was kind of twisted around and refocused.
tim pool
She could tweet back at me, I didn't realize you were referring to a news story from ABC where they legitimately brought up the defense in court that police were welcoming them in the building.
She ignores it.
And it's not the first time Anna Kasparian has done this.
Every single instance in which she referenced me and I offer up a polite response, she ignores it.
So either she's purposefully ignoring a legitimate rebuttal to her wrong statements, which would make her evil, or She doesn't realize I'm saying these things, but regardless, every step of the way, when the Young Turks have the opportunity to assess the evidence, respond, because I've DM'd Cenk Uygur on numerous occasions, I've known the guy for a long time, the last time I saw him, he screamed at me, and I saw him at VidCon, he walked up to me, this was years ago, he shakes my hand, how's it going man, how things have been?
I've been on his show several times, something happened in this country, where people like, you say, yeah, maybe in 2006, Cenk Uygur was a good dude, maybe.
I saw him at VidCon in maybe 2016, I think it was.
I can't remember.
And he walks up to me, and he shakes my hand.
He's like, how you been, man?
How are things going?
What's going on with YouTube?
How are things working for you?
And then I see him at Politicon a couple years later, and he screams in my face.
For no reason.
Might even have a bad day.
He was just, he was in the hallway talking to people.
I was like, hey, Cenk, how's it going, man?
I want to talk to you about a video you did.
And they start screaming at me, saying all these crazy things.
unidentified
He was probably hungry.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
But look, I don't want to get, my point is, when you get to the point where I got no beef, I have no issue with them, I recognize their disagreement.
And they refuse to assess the evidence, and then continue to mislead their audience.
ian crossland
I think it is so important when you're going to create a news organization and you've got like an entertainment magazine and you're going to be one or you're going to be in the middle.
It's a very dangerous location.
nick searcy
See, this is a characteristic of the left that I think has happened over the last few years and it's that they can't really even look at your argument.
They can't bring themselves to even consider it.
So they just try to ignore it.
They pretend it's something else.
They don't want to look at what you're actually saying, because that would be hard.
I think it would be hard for them.
And so they tend to just ignore anything.
ian crossland
Cognitive dissonance?
nick searcy
Yeah, it's like we can't have that cognitive dissonance, so we're just not going to see what you're talking about.
We're not going to look at it.
tim pool
Or even do a Google search.
My favorite, and just while we're on the subject, is we did a segment on this show a year and a half ago or so where we talked about, there were five different studies that said conservatives tend to be more attractive than liberals.
The point I specifically brought up was that there's attractiveness privilege, an idea prevalent among the left, that people who are more attractive tend to be more privileged, and those who are privileged are more likely to be conservative or independent.
Instead of addressing the context, they just made a video saying, Tim Poole's ugly and stupid.
So this is the issue I take.
I'm willing to 100% assess the situation of January 6th and say anybody who is violent and fighting and attacking cops, you get charged for that.
The people who knocked over barricades or did anything like that or grabbed shields or hit people, tried shoving their way in the tunnel, you commit a crime when you do that, you write, you go to jail for that.
Depending on the severity, prison.
And then there were other circumstances in which Alex Jones said don't go in the building and told people not to go in.
And the January 6th committee subpoenas him and tries going after all his records, which is an insane abuse of power on the press.
Then you have regular people, like you mentioned, these old ladies, who are told by the police they're allowed inside the building.
And now the media is trying to make it seem like every single person was a rioter who smashed a window and climbed through a window.
You know, a 74-year-old lady didn't climb through a window, bro.
Why is it that the Young Turks and other people like them will not even Google search this?
Why is that when I do a video, they watch enough to clip the video out of context to know where to cut the context to make sure their audience doesn't see what I'm actually talking about, but then they don't investigate further because it's an intentional action.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think it might be because they don't want Trump to get reelected.
I didn't want to talk about my fear that the noise could be construed as violence, like noise weaponry, because I really support the truckers.
So I didn't say anything about it the first night.
Kind of like I chose to ignore what I knew was real because I didn't want to hurt the people I wanted to win.
But then I was like, I can't live like that.
I got to be honest.
It is a type of weapon.
You can harm someone with noise.
Sometimes you just got to concede reality.
seamus coughlin
But Ian, I mean there are a lot of things that you could harm someone with that doesn't necessarily mean it's being used in a harmful way.
ian crossland
That's true.
seamus coughlin
But to your point, Jonathan Haidt did research which unsurprisingly showed that conservatives are far more likely to understand left-wing positions than left-wingers are to understand conservative positions.
And anyone who's conservative who has consumed left-wing media understood this without his research, and left-wingers who consume conservative media don't exist, which is why we have this problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
nick searcy
Well, when I talk to people, left-wingers, people on the left, about my movie, most of them won't watch it.
They don't, no, I don't want to see that.
That was an insurrection.
Those people should all go to jail.
They don't want, they won't, they can't bear to look at it.
I even had to fire my own agent just over the Christmas holidays because I'm talking to him about, you know, about the movie and with the premieres and the, you know, the stuff.
And he's like, yeah, I'm not going to watch that.
I go, what?
Dude, you're my agent.
You're not going to watch my work?
Because you're afraid of what?
It's just a movie.
Michael Moore makes them for your side all the time.
You can't even look at it?
And he said, no, I just don't want to, you know, that was a riot, full stop.
And I go, well, I guess Then you don't want to be my agent anymore.
ian crossland
Was that over the phone or via text?
nick searcy
Yeah, it was over the phone.
seamus coughlin
So I think what happens in their minds, and again, maybe I'm over pathologizing here, but I think this is probably a reasonable assessment of the potential motivation here.
You bet.
person might think, okay, there could be information here that will change my
mind, but I don't want to be the person who knows that January 6th wasn't an
insurrection because there is a very high social cost to pay for having that
awareness.
nick searcy
You bet.
You bet.
Especially in Hollywood.
seamus coughlin
Absolutely.
ian crossland
I went back to my parents' house for Christmas and they were like, well, what do you think about that insurrection at the Capitol?
I was like, what do you mean?
Like when they stood inside the old building and just stood in the hallways and I was like, the government can operate from anywhere digitally.
It's not a real insurrection would be cutting off the electricity to the, to the continent.
Like if you want to talk about insurrection and they were like, huh, he's right.
nick searcy
Well, the other thing, too, about that day, it's like the media only showed you the violence.
They only showed you the little pieces, the clips right at the Capitol of the windows being broken and Ashley Babbitt being killed and all that.
That's all they showed you.
There were two million people there that day.
There were so many people and they never showed you the crowd.
We have estimates of two million people.
There's a shot in my movie that I had never seen before we found it of just the size of the crowd and it's breathtaking.
I mean, it's amazing.
tim pool
They conflate the rally, which occurred some ways away from the Capitol, with the insurrection.
So for a lot of people, maybe like your parents, Ian, who don't actually investigate or know what's going on, their image of this is probably Trump brought hundreds of thousands of people to the Capitol and stood outside and said, Exactly.
Yeah.
and shut it down. Whereas what really happened is that there was a rally
blocks away where a bunch of people rallied and waved little American flags
and then Trump while he was still speaking people went to the Capitol.
nick searcy
Yeah and the people that were breaking in, they were breaking in windows at the
Capitol 15 minutes before Trump stopped speaking. Who were those people?
This guy Ray Epps that's been in the news lately.
He and his crew were taking down all the fencing and all the signs that said, do not enter restricted area.
They took down all that fencing so that when the people walk from the speech to the Capitol building, they didn't know that they were entering a restricted area.
And a lot of the defendants are charged with that, entering a restricted area.
And they said that we didn't see anything that said it was restricted.
ian crossland
Is there video of Rey and other people removing those signs?
nick searcy
I've seen some of it.
It's not in our movie.
ian crossland
What I'm concerned about is how deepfakes in the future will start twisting video.
But for now, video seems to be a pretty good document of evidence, kind of.
But I know deepfakes are real.
tim pool
They are real.
And what do we do about them?
nick searcy
Well, I don't know.
seamus coughlin
Well, but here's the problem.
I mean, people are talking about deep fakes, but we have that technology is not far along enough for us to make the argument.
If it is that far along, we don't know about it.
As far as we are aware, that technology is not far along enough for something like this to be faked.
But even with the actual real video evidence that is there and available, people still buy into the narrative.
nick searcy
Yeah, they won't look at it.
They won't.
They will not take that in.
seamus coughlin
No, yeah, I agree.
It's like, continue your point.
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to interrupt.
nick searcy
No, they just won't look at the video whether it's fake or not if it doesn't support their narrative.
This past week they just released three more angles of Ashley Babbitt's death that were taken from different places in the hall and you can see Ashley Babbitt was actually telling the people breaking the windows to stop that.
Stop doing that.
Ashley Babbitt was talking to the police officers and saying, what are you doing?
Why aren't you calling for reinforcements?
There's more people coming up here.
And she actually punched a guy that was like trying to break a window.
So it's like this whole narrative about Ashley Babbitt being some crazed right-wing Trump supporter is absolutely a total lie.
And they knew it from the beginning.
ian crossland
What, somebody punched through a window and then she stood up and they saw her and they fired?
nick searcy
Yeah, well the window had been broken and you know, I don't know why she got in that window.
But there is video of her telling people to stop breaking stuff, stop doing that,
talking to the police saying you need more people up here, you've got to stop this.
She was on the side of the police and her husband Aaron says that he he feels like she She knew that she was claustrophobic and he thinks that just sort of the crush of the people coming up and all the chaos caused her to panic and to jump into the window and And that's when the police officer fired.
And if you watch the video, Bird, the police officer, has his gun trained at that window for like 30, 45 seconds.
ian crossland
Yeah.
nick searcy
Before she's even there.
ian crossland
Probably the window got broken.
He was like, watch that entrance.
Something's going to come through there.
nick searcy
Yeah.
And while he's standing there pointing the gun, people are right here beside or near him Hitting the window with two-by-fours and trying to break the window.
And he never trains the gun on them.
He's pointed right at that one window.
tim pool
Sounds very strange.
That sounds to me like he was angry at the person who broke the window and wanted them to suffer.
That would be my assessment.
Because he didn't feel threatened, obviously, otherwise he'd focus on the other side of things.
But I, you know, my assumption, just my assumption, is that he sees someone smash the window and he goes, that son of a... And he pulls his gun, he's like, come on, do it!
ian crossland
Have you ever been in combat before?
nick searcy
Yeah, but, me?
No.
Well, Ashley was not the one who broke the window.
tim pool
No, I know.
So that's why he had his gun drawn at the full time, because he wanted whoever broke that window, for whatever they did, he was going to get them.
And so when she came in, she's the one who got the bullet.
nick searcy
Yeah, maybe.
tim pool
So how do you, you know, I think what we see when, you know, you make the movie Capital Punishment, you said you just said your agent wouldn't even watch it.
What's happening is a natural sorting algorithm is occurring.
People who are willing to say, I will challenge my perceptions.
And that's why you have people like Bridget Phetasy, politically homeless, now more aligned with intellectual dark web types, conversing with Ben Shapiro conservatives, because these are all people who are willing to be wrong and have their perception challenged.
What's being sorted between, it's being sorted between two groups, those who don't want out, who just want to be told what to think, and those who are more inquisitive, more discerning.
I mean, I've said something similar to this before, there's the uninitiated and the more discerning, the people who don't watch the news, who don't investigate, and the people who do.
What is your view?
So knowing what you know, having to fire your own agent, where do you think all of this is going to lead to with what they're doing with law enforcement, January 6th committee, and the fact that regular people are refusing to even learn the truth?
Where do you think it goes?
nick searcy
Well, in terms of the government, they're never going to give this narrative up.
They're never going to stop.
And what they're doing to these defendants now is railroading them into pleas, plea deals.
You know, most of them are charged with, you're facing 28 years, you go before a D.C.
jury that's 96% Democrat, I don't like your chances.
If you plead guilty to this one little felony, Then you know you maybe do six months or maybe even you just get probation, but you can't vote anymore.
You don't can't own a firearm and they are they're basically by doing this they are neutralizing a whole group of people that disagree with them and the intention that they're trying to spread a ripple through the community of you know by per by prosecuting these people so publicly
they're going to try they're sending the message that don't don't ever be one of
these people or we'll do this to you so i think the government is never going to give that up they're going to
run that into the ground and the only thing we can do is try to
tim pool
fight that you just said something very scary You go before a jury that's 96% Democrat.
We can't function as a constitutional republic if there are two tribes, and I mean that literally, and they will put you in prison if you're in the opposing tribe.
nick searcy
And another thing about that D.C.
system is that you have to be licensed to practice law in D.C.
You can't, like, if you get arrested in Florida and you have a good lawyer, you can't bring him with you unless he's, you know, licensed to practice in D.C.
So all these lawyers, they're all D.C.
residents, 96% of them are Democrats too, and they literally hate the people that they're defending.
They want them to go to jail.
And so these court-appointed attorneys are really working for the government to try to punish these people that dared stand up to the Democrat Party.
ian crossland
Judicial system is supposed to be non-partisan, I believe.
Isn't that the point?
So when did that change?
Right after it got formed?
tim pool
It's cultural enforcement.
It used to be when we were a cohesive nation that people viewed each other as Americans.
People took jury duty a bit more seriously.
Now, because of the overt tribalism of the culture war, I said it in reference to Pennsylvania.
It shows what's happening here now.
In Pennsylvania, when the Republicans said, hey, this universal mail-in voting law is unconstitutional, the judge's response was, you're a Republican, so you lose.
And I'm not exaggerating.
He said, your guy lost, and now you're coming and suing.
His guy, he's an individual bringing a lawsuit.
His political party is irrelevant to the material.
Well, it turns out, afterwards, oh, you are right, it was unconstitutional.
But the judge was partisan.
And now you have this ruling of unconstitutionality.
It's Republican judges saying it's unconstitutional and Democrats saying it is.
If we're at the point, and we are, if this is how the country is going to work, If you're a Republican, if you're a right-winger, and you advocate for a right-wing cause in D.C., you will go to prison because they will view... Bro.
ian crossland
Well, they had that last rally.
I didn't go to because of what you're saying now.
tim pool
I'm saying if you do something that is construed as a crime, I'm not saying like literally walking down the street, they're gonna come and arrest you.
I'm saying if you are in a protest and advocating for something, if, I'll put it this way, if you brought a boat down to D.C.
to protest abortion, Yeah, they're going to lock you up.
They're going to throw the book at you.
Whereas when Extinction Rebellion does it, it's a slap on the wrist, clear it out, tow it out, and then send them on their way.
ian crossland
You know, I didn't go to the Robert Malone big speech in like, I think it's February 23rd, or no, it was a month ago or something, three weeks ago.
And I'm still, I'm almost kicking myself because I didn't go out of fear.
I was afraid that the government was going to stage a false flag and then arrest a bunch of people.
And that's intentional.
nick searcy
That's what they're trying to do, is make everybody scared.
That's why they're doing this to these people.
That's why the overwhelming show of force in their little suburban neighborhoods, handcuffing their wives and daughters, that's what they're doing.
And even me, after I went, On January 6th and I shot a bunch of iPhone stuff and just like a tourist, I was afraid to tell anybody that I went right after it happened because I was like, I'm not going to post these pictures because the FBI might look through the pictures and find somebody, you know, in the crowd behind me or something.
It's like, it was such a pervasive attitude of like, they're coming after us, you know?
unidentified
Right.
nick searcy
And that is intentional.
That's what they want.
lydia smith
I think you're right about them making an example of the people who were involved in January 6th because I think that's what they're doing with Joe Rogan right now.
They're like, if we can get the biggest guy and make an example of him.
And I wanted to say, too, this talk about the jury is making me wonder if this is what drives a national divorce.
I don't know that there's a way to coexist in a world where if you get arrested for something like a traffic ticket or something in D.C.
and you have to go before a court, you know for a fact that they're going to throw a book at you, going to throw the book at you because they disagree with your politics.
How do we go on like that?
I don't see that as being sustainable.
tim pool
And national divorce always will lead to full-on civil war.
lydia smith
Yeah, that doesn't end well.
tim pool
So what are your thoughts on that?
There was a period where we had a few experts in security say, oh, civil war is possible.
I became particularly bullish on it, saying I think we're heading in the direction.
But now we're actually getting Democrat personalities.
The Guardian put out an article saying the civil war has already begun, we're in it.
You've got the Washington Post now saying the same thing.
When, you know, when we talk about the courts making their rulings based on political party, it's scary.
And then you come to us and say, oh, and also the juries themselves are comprised of individuals who are tribal partisans.
Sounds to me like civil war.
nick searcy
Well, I think the reason that they're talking about this, the Democrats that are talking about civil war, it's honest, that's what they want.
unidentified
I agree.
That's what they want.
nick searcy
They're trying to sell this idea that everybody who went to Washington on January 6th is some sort of crazed, violent,
you know, insurrectionist, seditionist who wants to start a civil war and create, you know, that's the narrative that
they're selling.
tim pool
So I agree.
nick searcy
Yeah.
tim pool
You want to know why?
What's the one way you get rid of the constitution?
ian crossland
Heaviest court martial law.
tim pool
Civil War.
You can't get rid of the Constitution through any means that exists within the current government.
The government would have to be in some way split, fractured, or altered.
So if there was mass rioting and they came out and said, we need the insurrection act, martial law, you can't get rid of the constitution.
If they're even under Bush's presidential directive 51, you can't get rid of the constitution in a civil war.
The Constitution is gone.
lydia smith
Emergency.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Emergency doesn't do it.
ian crossland
Directive 51 is terrifying.
Is it in place right now?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
I was reading about it last night, and it's saying, like, if there's any issue anywhere, that, like, economic or environmental, any, like, severe issue, they say, it's like the word severe is in there, and who defines that?
The president, apparently, that they can just, what is it, like, morph all power?
I didn't go so far on it last night, but is it that they can morph all powers under one branch of government?
tim pool
Are you familiar with Presidential Directive 51?
No.
Uh, it's not been tested.
It may just be a stupid statement made by Bush.
It's been revised several times under the previous presidents.
I think even Trump may have revised it.
Basically says that if there is any kind of disaster anywhere in the world, the president has the authority to dissolve the government and reform it.
Under a single branch, a constitutional government, so it would have to abide by the original rules, and the three branches of government would be controlled by the national continuity coordinator under the executive branch.
They could try it.
It might go to the courts.
But it's an interesting circumstance when one branch asserts the authority over the other two, and then one of those branches by which they're subjugated by this other branch says, we reject your authority.
It doesn't really make sense how that would play out.
Like, if the executive branch says, you report to us now, and the court says, we hereby decree we don't.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, the guys with guns are gonna show up and say, yes, you do.
nick searcy
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's a power created by Bush.
And there's been other versions of it, but it's been updated several times.
ian crossland
It's not a coincidence the executive branch has the word execute in it.
tim pool
Well, that's what it means.
ian crossland
For, yeah, to not only make something happen, to execute the plan, but also to execute someone.
tim pool
Yes, literally what the executive branch does.
ian crossland
They're crazy!
tim pool
They're the ones with the guns who go out and enforce the law.
ian crossland
I thought they were supposed to execute the law.
seamus coughlin
Well, sure, not execute the people.
nick searcy
Well, that's why they're trying to take the guns, too.
That's part of it.
They want to make sure that we can't.
defend ourselves if they decide to attack.
tim pool
Well, let's be honest, if they did, we have seen things like Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Most people would just smile and put their hands behind their back and go along wherever they were supposed to be going.
And that's what happened in, let's use the most talked about trope and cliche, Nazi Germany!
There were a lot of people who at a certain point just said, it's getting bad, we've got to get out of here.
But most people just said, it can't happen here.
Yep, until it did.
And a lot of people, I've been reading more and more about it for obvious reasons.
I've also been reading about the Spanish Civil War.
They'd show up to the house, knock on the door, and say, for your safety, you're coming with us, get in the cart.
And they'd be like, okay, let me grab my things.
And they'd say, okay, and they'd take the people off.
Often without their things, just, no, no, no, take your family, you're coming, it's for your own safety, you have to do it.
And people just said yes.
We're seeing that in Australia.
Not like they're taking people in Australia to, you know, work camps to rot them out till they die.
But it's crazy to me that there's a video out of Australia where the cops show up to a guy's house unannounced and they say, sir, you have tested positive for COVID and you are now being indefinitely quarantined.
Get in the van.
And he goes, all right, mate.
And he just hops in the van.
And I'm just like, wow.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Germans used typhus as an excuse.
They said a lot of the Jewish population had typhus.
I don't know if that was the reason for taking them on the trains, but maybe that was like, for your own safety, we don't want you to get sick.
tim pool
It was one of the propaganda things they were claiming about, oh, these ghettos are dirty and they have typhus, so they have to be taken to special facilities.
And we know how that went.
And, you know, look, we look back at history.
I don't think history is going to repeat itself.
History rhymes.
And so, you know, people who are ignorant will be like, oh, that can't happen here or that won't happen.
And it's like, probably not.
No, to be honest, some form of it will.
nick searcy
Well, see, they don't have to actually murder you now like they did then.
They don't have to murder you and dispose of your body.
Now they can just digitally erase you.
They can just neutralize you by removing your voice from the community.
It'll happen differently.
It's like what they're doing with Rogan.
You have to be careful or the government will just erase your point of view, demonize you, destroy your ability to express yourselves if you have wrong think, if you have a bad opinion.
ian crossland
They used to ostracize people, throw them out of the country and not let them back in.
But now, that was before electricity and telephones and stuff.
nick searcy
Yeah, they don't even have to do that now.
It just shuts you down.
seamus coughlin
Well, that's why it's called character assassination.
The entire idea is you neutralize the threat that somebody poses by telling the truth or by stating some facts that you find to be inconvenient.
ian crossland
Or by lying.
seamus coughlin
Or by lying, sure, you can perform a character assassination on someone who has actually lied, but yeah, it's very frightening.
And at some point, you wonder how much they really have to do to cover anything up, how much information they really need to hide from the people.
It seems to me They take like a wait-and-watch approach, and if the person ends up getting busted, it almost doesn't matter if they were right or wrong.
speaking the truth and then even if the facts seem fishy to the general public
and they're not willing to buy into your narrative they're gonna be too scared to
ian crossland
say anything. They take like a wait-and-watch approach and if the
person ends up getting busted it almost doesn't matter if they were right or
wrong they're like I don't want that to happen to me. Right.
tim pool
This is what I've been saying for a while.
Abolish the police.
You look at what's going on up in Ontario when that cop arrests that 78-year-old man.
Here's the crazy thing.
So there's this viral video where a 78-year-old man's honking his horn and the cop arrests him.
This was before honking was banned.
So this is just some cop deciding to bully an old man who honked his horn.
You look at the cops who are seizing gasoline.
You look at the cops who are defending Antifa.
They don't care.
They literally don't care.
And it's crazy when I meet cops who are like, I'm a big fan of the show, and I'm just like, I hope you're one of the good ones, because we got too many bad ones.
The Capitol Police are all some really evil people.
I mean, you look at what they were saying on TV, how they were lying about things.
I get that there was a bad fight and there was rioting and stuff.
I'm not discrediting that or anything like that.
But it's crazy how They're willing to just say the most absurd and ridiculous statements.
ian crossland
I was the next day.
tim pool
I was you know, the craziest thing is there like the stress that the left is claiming the stress of it resulted in officers taking their own lives and stuff like that.
Yeah, I'm like, come on man, you know, we don't know why those officers some officers did take their own lives.
Yeah, and I don't know if that's related or not, but it's just such a dirty dirty thing.
They're milking this as much as they can.
I will tell you this, you know what I'm most frustrated with?
The people who actually rioted, fought with cops, and tried to break in and literally broke in the building.
Because it's just like watching people, you know, it's like watching someone walking down the road and they're like on the side of a cliff and then they look to their left and start to walk towards the cliff and you're like, please don't do that and they go, I'll be fine!
Like Alex Jones was there saying, stop, don't go inside, don't do it.
They didn't listen to him.
ian crossland
A lot of young people thinking they're going to reload their save game if something goes wrong.
nick searcy
Yeah.
Well, if you see in the movie, you just see we have all these people, suspicious looking people, exhorting the crowd, come this way, you know, get in here, go into the Capitol, break in.
You know, they're just constantly berating these people, screaming at them.
And you also have the Capitol Police who are in many instances the aggressors here.
They were firing flashbangs and tear gas grenades and pepper spray into the middle of the crowd.
tim pool
That's what they do.
nick searcy
Driving them forward rather than trying to keep them from coming forward.
They were just firing into the middle of the crowd and you know the stuff that
happened in the tunnel it's now being revealed that Roseanne Boylan was
unidentified
probably beaten to death by a police officer.
tim pool
Tops.
ian crossland
Command was probably like, we can't contain this, just get them in the building, we'll bust them all later.
tim pool
Well, I don't know about that, but in Ferguson, one of the nights I was down at the riots, people had stopped rioting and protesting.
It was maybe like the fifth night.
They were just dancing in the street playing music.
One cop from the police line at the far end of West Florissant Casually walked up, pulled a flashbang, and just threw it into a crowd of dancing people.
And that immediately started a riot.
People then started screaming, running towards the police yelling, and then all of a sudden people who didn't live in the neighborhood started smashing windows and stealing stuff.
The cops did that.
So when I say abolish the police, I'm telling you this right now.
You look at what is going on with the purging of wrongthink.
They start by saying if you're unvaccinated, there's a mandate, you're fired.
Well, guess what?
Only the people that fall in line and do as they're told are going to remain on as police.
That's true.
They're gonna remain in military.
Then they're gonna put those National Guardsmen in your schools, teach your kids like they're
doing in New Mexico.
They're having them drive school buses in Massachusetts.
They're gonna replace more and more jobs because of the emergency and the labor shortage with
National Guard.
And they've already purged the ranks of anybody who would disobey the narrative.
You don't want to live under that boot.
So your best bet right now is just, hey, call the bluff of the left.
Yeah, abolish the police.
And then when they're like, no, no, no, I thought you wanted to.
I think it's funny when the left, like they freak out.
Cause I tweeted abolish the police and they're like, well, I mean, but, but he wants militias.
And I'm like, that's literally what you asked for.
nick searcy
Yeah.
tim pool
You said community police.
What do you think militias are?
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
What did they think was going to, well, social workers actually, Tim is what they want.
tim pool
It's because they don't really want to abolish the police.
They want control of the police.
seamus coughlin
Yes, no, that's exactly what it is.
tim pool
And the police, with a smile on their face, are putting boots on people's necks.
seamus coughlin
It's funny, you know, you mentioned the police officers, and yes, there were officers harmed on January 6th.
That's very unfortunate.
However, I should point out that according to the Major Cities Chiefs Association, 72% of major city law enforcement agencies had officers harmed during the BLM riots.
unidentified
72%.
seamus coughlin
That is a massive number.
tim pool
And you know I don't care.
You know, I literally don't care.
seamus coughlin
That they were injured?
I mean, I think it's horrible when anyone gets injured or is assaulted.
tim pool
If you're gonna show up to Attila's gym and arrest the owners or try and prosecute them and seize money from their bank accounts, you want sympathy from me.
The police in this country have lost- I have no sympathy for that guy, no.
No, I'm just, look man, there are small offices and departments, I'll put it this way, sheriff's offices with duly elected law enforcement.
Oh, I think they're great.
They still do bad things.
There was a woman who was arrested for opening her cafe during lockdown and it was the sheriffs who came and arrested her, the deputies.
That's bad.
But these big city police departments that I'm referring to specifically, It's true.
They did nothing while the riots were happening.
It's true.
And when it happened, I said, well, look, I don't blame them for defending these businesses
from people who won't support them.
But then they turn around and became the vandals who locked down their businesses and destroyed
these people's lives.
So I sit back at these cities and I'm like, y'all deserve each other.
But here's my main point.
If the police departments are purged of wrong thinkers and all that's left are going to
be those who toe the line.
That's what we've seen over the past two years.
The people, the cops who stayed on during the BLM riots after all the disrespect.
That's a great mental test, psychological test.
Are you willing to endure extreme pressure where everyone hates you, where we won't support you, and you shut your mouth and get on your knees?
And these officers who stayed said yes.
That's a good sign for a despot.
They then said, okay, now you got to inject yourself with something.
And a bunch of them were like, nah, that's too far for me.
But a lot of them said, yes, sir, may I have another?
And they got their second shot and their boosters.
And now we're at the point where you think that these departments will defend your right to liberty?
No.
seamus coughlin
No, certainly not.
tim pool
If there ever was a group of people who were going to goose step to the marching orders of a despot, it is the modern police that have remained through all of this.
Refusing to stand up for themselves, refusing to stand up for others, falling in line over overtly illegal orders and rule by decree.
I'm not going to defend any of those people.
ian crossland
Yeah, when you talk about illegal orders, because it's called law enforcement.
So if you're getting illegal orders from a top-down authority and you're the law enforcement, you're supposed to not follow the illegal order and stay lawful.
tim pool
They don't care about what's legal.
They don't know what's legal.
There have been many instances in my life where I've had cops tell me that something was illegal and it wasn't.
You know, New York is a great example.
That's a frozen zone, the cop told me and my friends during Occupy Wall Street, and I'm like, you made that up!
There's no frozen zones.
They just made it up one day.
And you see what's going on with the BLM mural painted in New York City, the 27 officers who defended it, an illegal seizure of taxpayer funds for a political message.
And the police were like, boss told me to do it.
I'll arrest anybody who opposes me.
Yo, we're in dark, dark times now, man.
seamus coughlin
Agreed.
I think, but in terms of, and maybe this is a small white pill, but I think there's a white pill here.
Despite all of the media propaganda, a large number of the American people, or a large swath of the population, are still seeing through this.
According to a Rasmussen Report survey that was done back in July, only about 50% of the population who was surveyed at that time supported Nancy Pelosi's January 6th committee in investigating that.
Whereas two-thirds of American citizens surveyed wanted an investigation into the 2020 BLM riots.
So no matter how much they're lying about this or trying to call this an insurrection and tell us to ignore that, the majority of the American people do see the truth about it.
tim pool
So we're getting this.
Let's jump to the story we have and we'll see what's going on in the U.S.
CBS News reports U.S.
truckers planning protest convoy, perhaps starting in L.A.
for Super Bowl, DHS warns.
That's right.
The Department of Homeland Security is warning an American convoy may begin.
If it's anything like what we saw in Canada, it will work.
It'll be very effective.
And it'll probably end up winning.
They're already starting to pull back on the mandates.
ian crossland
That'd be so funny if you just went on to the next story right after.
seamus coughlin
That's it.
ian crossland
We should do that one.
tim pool
Thank you very much.
But I am wondering if this is even a real story.
I know there have been conversations about locking down the Super Bowl, but that seems weird to me.
Almost like the idea was seeded specifically to ruin the Freedom Convoy.
Because right now, regular people don't know, like, I'm talking about average people sitting at home, of which there are very few, because I think most people are polarized.
They're like, I don't know a whole lot about what's going on with that convoy thing.
But the manipulation, the propaganda, has mostly failed.
You go on Reddit, and people are like, they're just working class dudes.
They're drivers.
The propaganda's not working.
Well, you want to piss off regular people?
Shut down the Super Bowl.
nick searcy
And I'm suspicious of, you know, DHS's warnings.
It's like, you know, I think that it's likely that they could be just sort of trying to say there's a threat out there that's not really there.
To make it seem like, you know, those extreme people, those truckers, they're going to try to kill your Super Bowl.
ian crossland
Public warnings just don't make a lot of sense to me.
If a military comes out and is like, China has UFOs, we think that China has UFOs.
I was like, come on, dude, what are you telling me for?
Yeah.
You would only tell the people that it's a need-to-know thing.
They would tell L.A.
law enforcement about this.
In surrounding areas, they wouldn't be telling the public.
tim pool
Did you see that clip of the journalist arguing with the... Was it Dan Price?
What was his name?
I don't know the guy's name.
I don't remember his name.
nick searcy
With the Canadian guy?
tim pool
No, no, no.
It was a journalist talking to an American official about Russia's false flag attack.
Because the U.S.
keeps saying over and over again, Russia's going to stage a false flag.
And then he's like, what proof do you have?
They're like, well, we issued a transcript.
That's something you said happened.
What proof do you have?
And then he goes, crisis actors?
Are you kidding?
This is Alex Jones stuff.
And then he goes on to mention, I think, like the WMDs and like the war in Iraq.
I'm like, that guy just snapped.
Something happened to him, he woke up and the narrative broke.
He was just out of the matrix.
nick searcy
And the government guy was going, what are you, on Putin's side?
seamus coughlin
It's so funny how we've returned to that too.
I remember during the 2012 election when Mitt Romney said something about Russia being a growing threat, and of course he would, he's like an establishment swamp creature.
But the response from the left was, oh my goodness, isn't this hysterical?
The 80s called, they want their villain back.
And then in 2016, when we're even more removed from that era, it's Russia, Russia, Russia.
What a strange villain.
It's like, we were joking about this in Burn After Reading, when she wants to sell the information to the Russians, and everyone in the CIA is like, the Russians?
tim pool
Why?
Yeah, why?
Like, what would they, yeah.
Well, also because, if you're not familiar with that movie, the information was nothing.
seamus coughlin
It's also, the information was nothing.
It was just like, the Russians?
Like, what?
tim pool
I got a question for you guys.
If a bunch of truckers showed up in D.C.
and then something happened that a mass casualty event took the lives of these truckers, how do you think the left, the establishment left, and many leftists would react?
seamus coughlin
Mocking.
They would laugh until there was no one to bring them their food.
lydia smith
Yeah, exactly.
nick searcy
They absolutely would laugh.
They would celebrate it.
tim pool
That's pretty scary.
nick searcy
I'd say they deserved it.
Look at what they do to Ashley Babbitt.
ian crossland
Sometimes you get glimpses of humanity from people like Jake Tapper and stuff.
So maybe people would be like, this is it.
This is the moment that it went too far.
tim pool
Well, I guess, you know, sometimes the brain slug that infected his mind and took over his body loses control.
He's able to break out and he's like, just all of a sudden on CNN, he's like, I love all of you.
Honey, I love you.
ian crossland
And you're making me think of the Kent State shooting in 1970, May 4, Kent State.
I went to Kent State and it was a big deal on campus.
These four, there was a big crowd of, Students protesting Vietnam and then the National Guard came out to try and quiet them down.
They were throwing rocks at the National Guard.
They opened fire on the crowd and killed four.
Injured others.
And it was a huge national, just a tragedy.
And it basically was the beginning of the end of Vietnam.
nick searcy
Neil Young song.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and Buffalo Springfield.
ian crossland
Well, Neil was in Buffalo Springfield.
seamus coughlin
Oh, interesting.
For what it's worth.
ian crossland
That's such a good song.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's a great song.
tim pool
And the people who lost their lives weren't protesters, I'm pretty sure.
ian crossland
Wait.
Yeah, Neil was in Buffalo State.
tim pool
When the shooting in Kent State happened, yeah, it was bystanders.
It was just people who were on campus walking by.
ian crossland
One guy... I used to sit on that hill.
tim pool
There was also injuries.
One guy took a bullet through his wrist, I think, and it paralyzed his hand.
ian crossland
I would sit on the hill and envision all the people and just think about it sometimes.
seamus coughlin
It's crazy one thing here, and I mean this almost in some ways makes it more frightening
But I'll issue a caveat to this idea of left-wing people Hypothetically laughing in the situation and we seem to
believe that many of them would I think there's also an argument to be made that
those among them who have some level of Empathy for their opposition and don't necessarily hate
everyone who stands in their way would still feel Pressure to not care about the loss of life because as soon
as they stood up and said these are human beings they'd be rejected
Because that's exactly what happens to them when they say that about the unborn or any other group that the left is
okay with The death of zombie horde. Yeah
tim pool
Yeah, it's it's it's mindless you know We were talking about this with your film, your agent, you know, getting fired.
These are people who don't care about the truth.
They don't want to hear the truth.
They just want to hate.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They want to be a part of it.
Imagine a mob of people with pitchforks and torches.
They don't know.
They don't care.
They're just going to do whatever the mob does.
I've watched it happen in real time.
I've been in these major protests where I've seen people lose it and attack random people.
I was in San Jose during that infamous Trump rally.
I filmed a guy getting smacked in the back of the head with a bag of what we think were rocks.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Went viral overnight.
And there was also a guy who got beat up because someone decided to beat him up, and the mob just said, that's the guy we're beating up.
Turns out he was a part of the mob.
There was a kid, some 16-year-old kid was walking down the street.
Someone started running after him.
The whole mob chased after him.
It's absolutely insane, but that's what we're dealing with.
I suppose I'll put it this way.
If you've got liberals, conservatives, moderates, you know, traditionalists, progressives that are all in alignment, but they all agree with liberty and being inquisitive.
So there's like Jimmy Dore.
Jimmy Dore is progressive and lefty, but he believes in the truth.
So we like the guy, you know, because, you know, we disagree on politics across, you know, all day and night.
It's clear that what divides us is not policy.
It is simply there is a mob of people that want to be a mob, and there's everyone else who want to live and understand and solve problems.
Those are the two groups that are clashing right now.
nick searcy
And the left is kind of... the way they've been brought to this point by the Democrat Party and the leaders in that movement is they've been told over and over again, you are the good people.
And it's that self-righteousness of like that surety and that self-righteousness.
Those people over there are bad.
They hate gays, they hate black people, they hate everybody.
You know, you're one of the good people, so no matter what they say, we have to remain above them.
ian crossland
I was having a deep conversation last night about this, and about after 9-11.
All of a sudden, this narrative of good and evil started getting shoved down my throat by George Bush and everybody else around him, and it was like, they're bad, you're good, we're the heroes, God's on our side, good versus evil, good versus evil.
Then superhero movies started coming out.
Good versus evil.
People are brainwashed.
They think it's good versus evil now, it's terrifying.
seamus coughlin
I don't think good versus evil is the problem.
ian crossland
Trust me, it's not.
seamus coughlin
Ian, would that be good?
tim pool
It's not.
ian crossland
There's destruction and creation, but all the other stuff is perspective.
tim pool
You're just wrong.
I understand what you're saying.
ian crossland
They want you to think that.
They want you polarized.
seamus coughlin
Maybe they want you to think that.
tim pool
I understand what you're saying, but someone swatted us.
And we got swatted twice.
And why would we get swatted a second time?
Is it evil to try and kill someone because they have conversations you don't like?
ian crossland
Well, like I just said, man, there's creation and destruction.
tim pool
It depends on who you ask.
ian crossland
I'm going to give you a different answer than everyone else, though.
tim pool
So, give me your answer.
ian crossland
What's the question again?
Yeah, from what you said, killing someone for what?
tim pool
Trying to get someone killed.
You put people killed because they have conversations you don't like.
ian crossland
Oh, for me, I think that is terribly evil.
tim pool
Now, who would disagree with you?
ian crossland
The people trying to kill the person having the conversation.
tim pool
Evil people!
ian crossland
Well, to them, you're the evil.
I mean, it's all perspective and who's telling the story?
Who's in control of the narrative?
seamus coughlin
So I agree with you that people have different perspectives, but some perspectives are wrong.
That's the point.
ian crossland
And they would say the same thing.
unidentified
I'm telling you.
seamus coughlin
And they would be wrong.
It's okay to say I'm right and you're wrong sometimes.
ian crossland
But it's okay to be wrong also.
seamus coughlin
But not any longer than you have to be.
As soon as you get the new information that shows that your previously held assumptions were incorrect, you have an obligation to accept those.
tim pool
I think 99.9% of humanity has agreed that killing people for no reason is wrong.
And a slightly large single-digit percentage probably agrees with preemptive murder for the sake of ideology.
ian crossland
Like if the Iraqi president is so dangerous, it's okay to get rid of like 80,000 citizens.
tim pool
Yeah, communists tend to be, you know, morally depraved.
ian crossland
No, that's the American government.
The American government did that.
The Democratic Republic of the United States invaded and murdered citizens to get rid of the leader.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, absolutely, that's evil.
ian crossland
It is evil.
seamus coughlin
But people don't think it.
ian crossland
People are like, hey, the ends justify the means, because that guy's so dangerous.
And sometimes that guy is so dangerous, like Hitler.
tim pool
Ian, Ian, you are incorrect.
On the right and the left, there is populist unity that invading foreign countries and blowing people up is wrong.
ian crossland
What about not- I mean, what about firebombing Dresden to stop Hitler?
tim pool
Where's the evil in that?
You're talking about a response.
So, like, if some guy in a house starts breaking into other people's homes and killing people, and then we go, and he's in one of the houses, so we're like, the only thing we can do to stop this guy is burn the house down, but, you know, might hurt somebody else.
Like, this guy's already killed so many people.
That's called a difficult decision.
ian crossland
This is good, because I think you're talking about individual one-on-one interactions.
There, now we can start to get a nuance of good and evil.
But in the society, it's dangerous to slap that label around.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, I mean, whether you're talking about firebombing Dresden or firebombing Tokyo or nuclear bombs being dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you can agree that one particular side of the conflict was correct and had to win while also saying, this was objectively morally evil.
You should not make civilians a target of warfare.
That's a position you can hold.
Like sometimes you have to do evil to accomplish good?
But no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're not saying that you're saying like actually they shouldn't have done that
They were I was on their side or am on their side But I don't think that that's something they should have
done I can agree with you can side with somebody and still say
but don't do that. You're not pledging like undying Agreement with everything they do or have done. Let me let
tim pool
me let me explain something for you in if I say I've reviewed as much evidence as I can from what happened
on January 6 and there are some people who did some some things that
Were very wrong and should be held accountable and there are some people that are being
Harassed and even tortured by the government that's wrong I'm I'm trying to be as objective and honest as possible
To be fair and just to as many people as I can so that we can all live in harmony
Germany.
Trying to help people flourish, stopping the bad, stopping the pain, stopping the suffering, and promoting growth is typically a good thing.
When you have other organizations that lie on purpose to create destruction and cause pain and suffering, and then lie to convince people that we're the evil ones, that's evil.
ian crossland
I know man but now we're talking about like living and lying and knowing you're lying and acting anyway.
I know this phone is made by slaves.
I know that and I'm doing it anyway.
Yeah.
And so what am I living a lie just walking around like la-di-da.
tim pool
Do you acknowledge that it's evil?
ian crossland
Yeah, like if they were here, I wouldn't be like, la-di-da, I'd be like, free these guys, but they're out of sight, out of mind, so I know it.
seamus coughlin
But Ian, so what I'm catching at, I think you actually believe so firmly and deeply in morality that you're arguing for moral consistency, but you're seeing that as saying that morality doesn't exist.
I really think on some level you do believe in good and evil, you just aren't acknowledging it.
I really think you do, because you get really upset when a person is hypocritical about their moral values, and why would that be upsetting for you if good and evil weren't real?
ian crossland
I think you're right.
I do believe I am good, but I am a product of my parents and what they told me good is.
seamus coughlin
But did you choose to accept that definition, and have you chosen to act on it?
Because that is your own free will.
That's not just your parents.
ian crossland
Yeah, it jived with society, so I accepted it.
seamus coughlin
Is that why you accepted it?
ian crossland
Basically.
seamus coughlin
Are you going to tell me you've never made a moral decision because you thought it was the right thing to do and not because it jives with society?
ian crossland
I've done that too.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
Exactly.
So you can't just say, well, it's all relative and it's all my parents.
At some point you made choices.
Let's talk about the movie industry.
tim pool
Because there was something I wanted to bring up, actually in all of this context, and it's the response we saw from the establishment in the left over Alec Baldwin and the shooting.
Because I've gone off on the Alec Baldwin thing many a time.
Based on everything I've already read about what happened with Alec Baldwin, for those that aren't familiar, he was on a movie set, he had a live gun, a single-action revolver, Um, I can't remember what ammo type it was, I don't think it was .45, I'm not sure.
But, uh, he shot and killed the cinematographer, pointed the gun at her, pulled the hammer back, then they say the gun went off and killed her.
He said he didn't know that she got shot for 45 minutes, which is to imply that while he was holding the gun and pointing it at her, pulling the hammer back, and then it banged and went off in his hand, for which he felt the recoil.
When she collapsed to the ground dying, he simply walked away and didn't bother to ask what was going on.
He did not even know.
She must have just fainted, he said.
So, in my opinion, based on this story, they've tried blaming the armorer who was on the set.
At first, you know, we were like, wow, it sounds like an accident.
Once we got the real details, I think it is more likely that Alec Baldwin was extremely angry.
He's a hothead.
And he shot and killed this woman.
I think he was just in a fit of rage.
I don't know how you could argue that all these events took place that coincidentally landed a live bullet in a gun where the sear was broken so the gun went off.
But Nick, you actually worked with that armorer.
nick searcy
Yeah, when I saw that, you know, I was reading about the Alec Baldwin thing when it first broke and it said, you know, The Armorer there.
It was her second movie and I was like, oh my gosh, it's Hannah.
I mean, you know, I had done The Old Way with Nicolas Cage back in August and she was The Armorer on that film.
She seemed competent to me.
She taught me how to load an old Winchester.
She did a good job, as far as I can tell.
I didn't have any problems with her.
But the thing about the Alec Baldwin thing that makes absolutely no sense.
is number one, how did a live round get in there?
I mean, I've never been on a set where there was a live round.
I mean, I just never happened.
And the other thing that occurred to me too, in reading the steps, he was handed the gun by a first AD who said, it's a cold gun.
That's not how you do it.
The armorer brings the gun to you, shows you everything that's in the gun.
If you're firing the gun, you know, the armorer will say, you have two rounds here, and there are blanks, you pull the trigger twice, and then it's done.
There's no more bullets in the gun.
So you know exactly what's in the gun.
At all times.
And even if they say cut, they come and they take the gun away from you for 30 seconds.
When the armorer brings a gun back, he does the same thing.
He shows you every single time.
I don't know how in the world, you know, that happened with Alec Baldwin.
With the first AD, just handing him a gun, Alec Baldwin not looking in the gun, and then pulling the trigger.
tim pool
You worked with this Hannah, this armorer, and when you worked with her, she showed you the gun and explained to you the ammo, all that stuff, as you described.
nick searcy
Yeah.
Well, and the other thing that I read about the Alec Baldwin shooting is that Hannah, the armorer, was not in the room because SAG has these COVID restrictions and people have designations of A, B, or C. And if you're in the B group or the C group, you can't be indoors with people in the A group.
So Hannah was not allowed to be in that church when he was using the gun.
ian crossland
But it sounds like the production team is liable for some sort of felonious activity.
nick searcy
Oh, absolutely.
Incompetence, if nothing else.
And the other thing, too, that was a rehearsal.
They weren't shooting the scene.
Every time I've ever done a rehearsal with a gun, it's a rubber gun.
It's not, they don't even give you the real gun until you're actually shooting the scene where you have to see the real gun.
ian crossland
I've heard that they were like, had live rounds and they were target practicing between shoot days and takes and stuff.
I don't know how to confirm that or deny that, but I've heard that way.
nick searcy
I've heard that too.
I mean, that's very, very, uh, that's not.
That's not normal.
That's what they're doing.
ian crossland
And I can also believe it.
Like out in the West, out in the desert, a bunch of them, just kind of like 20 people making a movie on the fly, kind of like having fun, drinking beer at night.
nick searcy
Yeah.
And a lot of it too was that, you know, he had had some crew problems or whatever.
A lot of the crew had quit because of the conditions on the set.
Previous discharges, you know accidental discharges that they said the set wasn't safe.
A lot of the crew had quit and so he'd replaced them with less experienced people.
So there's a big convergence of a whole lot of incompetence that went in there.
But to your point, I don't know how a live round got in that gun.
I mean, and for him to be, if it's like you said, if he was there in anger.
tim pool
He's got decades of experience.
nick searcy
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
And not just that, it isn't that there was simply one live round in one gun one time.
You're saying there were multiple discharges on set that made crew feel unsafe.
nick searcy
Yeah, and this is not live round discharges.
This is just blanks.
But, you know, whenever a gun's going to be fired, you say, fire in the hole.
Everybody knows because you got to get the ear protection out, whatever, you know.
There were just a couple of times when the gun went off and everybody went, what the hell?
What are you doing?
ian crossland
You know?
I was the one saying that I've heard that they were doing target practice with live rounds on set and they were a mix of live rounds and dummy rounds and they... I've heard that too.
I've been reading about it and I don't know how to confirm or deny it but I mean come on there was a live round on set so... Sometimes they will... usually it's a different day but if you're shooting...
nick searcy
Like, if you're shooting a lot in a movie, they will take you to a range and let you feel what the recoil is on a real gun.
So that when you're acting, and you're shooting blanks, you can act like, you know, you're actually firing the real thing.
So that happens, but that's usually like, if that happens, it's on a different day and it's totally separate from... I mean, if they're just walking around back and, you know, shooting some cans or something, that's not acceptable.
tim pool
The response we end up seeing...
Strangely is tribal.
People defending Alec Baldwin in the establishment left, people criticizing him in the anti-establishment right.
And it seemingly has nothing to do with politics.
I mean, Alec Baldwin is, you know, Democrat, you know, activist and all that stuff.
Maybe that's a big reason.
But what happened with Alec Baldwin is not political.
Yet here we are.
nick searcy
Well, I think the only thing people see as political is the aftermath of him getting away with it.
And he's getting away with it because he's part of the left-wing establishment.
tim pool
They don't want to go after him because... Just like you were saying earlier, the people in DC are going to be put in front of Democrat jurors who will convict them.
Alec Baldwin will never see a day in court.
ian crossland
You think the people are like, I know he did it, and I know he's responsible, but I love his work so much that I don't want to put him in jail because I want to see another Alec Baldwin movie.
seamus coughlin
He's not that great.
nick searcy
He's not that good.
seamus coughlin
I think it's a tribal thing.
ian crossland
I bet he has zealous fans that are like, I'll follow him to hell and back.
seamus coughlin
But what percentage of the population could that be?
unidentified
0.000.
ian crossland
80,000 people or something.
nick searcy
If you saw Team America, World Police, you know, Alec Baldwin is the greatest actor in the world. 100%.
tim pool
I mean, I like his work.
ian crossland
Backdraft.
nick searcy
I saw his Broadway doing pretty good too.
Beetlejuice!
unidentified
Great movie.
nick searcy
Fantastic.
I've liked him in certain things.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, his talent is undeniable, but that's not what this is about.
And it should never be about.
nick searcy
No.
Except in my case.
seamus coughlin
Of course, yeah.
ian crossland
You're extremely talented.
seamus coughlin
One question I'd like to ask, Nick, I'm curious, as you were working on this documentary, what was the most interesting thing you discovered?
nick searcy
Well, when we went into it, the original title of the movie was The Trouble with Free Speech, because I saw this as like the government suppressing free speech and trying to keep these people from, you know, deter these people from ever coming to Washington and making their voices heard again.
But what we wound up discovering is that by talking to these people, Who had been visited by the FBI and the way they were being treated and that that was the most shocking thing.
It's just like every story in this movie.
You just can't believe that this is America.
They are coming to these people's houses.
These are people that have never been arrested for anything before in their lives.
And they're 6 a.m.
SWAT teams 20 rifles red dots on their chest come out with your hands up.
Handcuffing their wives and daughters and breaking down doors.
I mean, it's real terrorist, kind of Gestapo-like tactics.
And as these stories started to pile up, I was just like, okay, this is the story we have to tell.
This is what this movie is about.
It's about how these people are being treated and why are they being treated that way.
And so that, you know, to realize that your government is intentionally terrorizing innocent people.
Only one of the people that we interview ever went in the building, and those are the two twin 74-year-old grandmothers.
Everybody else is outside, never went inside.
tim pool
So we started talking about how you had worked with the armor from the Alec Baldwin movie, Hannah, what's her name?
nick searcy
I can't remember her last name.
ian crossland
It's Gutierrez-Reid.
tim pool
Gutierrez-Reid.
Yeah.
So we mentioned you worked with her, you've been in TV shows and movies.
How has it been trying to continue that career after making a documentary like this and voting for Trump?
I can't imagine they're very happy with you.
nick searcy
Well, no, but you know, I have, I've worked in the business long enough that I have friends who know who I am and hire me anyway, you know, and you know, sometimes it's not, you know, I don't know.
I still continue to get work here and there.
It's not as much as it used to be.
That may be because I'm old or it may be because I'm a right wing, radical Republican insurrectionist, you know.
I don't know, but like I say, I have relationships that sustain me to this day, and I'm also, at this point in my life, I'm really much more interested in pursuing movies that I want to make, that I want to have some control over, and I'm not so much interested in just trying to get a job in somebody else's left-wing garbage.
tim pool
What are you working on now, or is there something you've worked on recently?
nick searcy
Well, Terror on the Prairie is a movie that's coming out with Gina Carano.
That'll come out June 10th.
That's the Daily Wire movie.
But that's already done.
I'm trying to put together some movies, a couple of narrative features that I wrote with a partner, Blake Ellis.
One called Where I'm Bound, which is about gospel quartet music in the 60s.
It's a very sexy subject.
There's another documentary I want to make about the 1972 Olympic men's basketball team that got screwed by the Russians.
Eleven of those guys are still alive.
This is the 50th anniversary this year of that game.
All those guys have refused the silver medal to this day and the one guy that passed away put it in his will that no one in his family can ever take that silver medal because they were just blatantly cheated out of the gold medal.
tim pool
What's the story there?
nick searcy
They uh basically it was a close game and it's interesting because uh you know a lot of the best players in America didn't play that year.
Like Bill Walton wouldn't play.
He had just come out of UCLA and this is before they let professional players play.
So it was not I mean, it was a good team, but it wasn't, like, the best of the best, right?
And so it was a very close game, and they replayed the last three seconds of the game three times until the Russians won.
What?
America was up by one point.
Doug Collins had hit two free throws with three seconds left, and Russia was taking the ball out of bounds under America's basket.
It had to go to length of the court.
They played the three seconds the first time and threw the ball out of bounds and time ran out and the referee said, Oh no, he called timeout before, before the ball was thrown in.
And they're like, no, no, we didn't.
Nobody called timeout.
And then they did it again.
They replayed that three seconds again, some other problem.
And they had like, Well, not to tell the whole story, but there were five judges that let them replay the three seconds a third time.
And on the third time, they threw the ball the length of the court.
The Russian center pushed the American out of bounds, caught the ball, and put it in, and they won by one point.
ian crossland
Was it a Soviet judge?
Judges?
All five of them?
nick searcy
It was... Well, it was... No, it was two pro-Soviet judges and two pro-America judges.
And the fifth judge was supposed to be this judge from Egypt who was pro-Western.
But when the Israeli athletes were murdered nine days before this game, Egypt pulled all their athletes out of the Olympics and that judge was not there and they put in another judge who was a Russian.
ian crossland
Well, this is a good story.
nick searcy
It's a great story.
It really is.
It's a great story because it's geopolitics.
It's the Cold War.
It's, you know, it's all that stuff.
And also with the killing of the Israeli athletes at that Olympics, it's sort of, that's kind of why this story got forgotten because it wasn't as important as that, you know.
unidentified
What's a budget for a movie like that?
nick searcy
Well, I see it as a four-hour documentary.
I could probably make it about a million, 1.5.
tim pool
How does a person come across money like that to make a movie?
nick searcy
Well, you gotta convince investors that you can make some money with it.
A lot of times with a movie like this, you pitch it to ESPN or you pitch it to Netflix.
That's the easiest way.
But to make it independently, you gotta... and that's what we've been trying to do because Netflix won't talk to me.
unidentified
Are you taking donations to produce the movie?
nick searcy
We're not taking open donations.
That's a complicated process.
So we're trying to find investors.
ian crossland
Do you spin up a corporation that owns the movie?
Yeah, like an LLC.
Yeah, I just recently found out that's kind of how Hollywood works, is when they make a movie, they make a corporation that owns the movie, and then they can give people percentages of that corporation that work on that movie.
nick searcy
And every movie kind of has to have its own company.
Right.
So, yeah.
But it's, you know, I have some people interested and, you know, that's something that I would really like to do soon.
ian crossland
Have you done anything with crypto?
nick searcy
See, I'm old.
I don't even know what crypto is.
ian crossland
When you're talking about crypto, I go, I don't really know.
Crypto's our savior.
Oh, actually, crypto's our tracking mechanism.
It's the evolution of digital currency.
nick searcy
I really, I have no, literally, when you guys were talking about crypto before, I was like, okay, I have nothing to add.
I don't know.
I don't even know what it is.
ian crossland
It's like an immutable ledger is the difference between that and banking.
There's an online ledger that supposedly can't be tampered with, so everything's there for view.
Right.
tim pool
Decentralized digital banking.
nick searcy
Right.
tim pool
And stores of value, different cryptocurrencies have different characteristics, so they're easier, harder to move.
ian crossland
And then sometimes you get into it where certain types of crypto can do things, like on a certain network you can give someone one and it'll give you a thousand views on the network.
So they're called smart contracts that they can build in so that they actually do things instead of just being like bland currency.
nick searcy
Well, like how do you buy stuff with it?
tim pool
Give it to somebody.
ian crossland
You gotta sell it, usually for dollars, on Coinbase or something like that, or you can trade it to someone that wants to take it for currency.
tim pool
It's as simple as this.
I, uh, I would like those glasses, sir, and I'll give you a rock for it.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
So if I've got an account with five crypto in it, I could be like, hey, that jacket's mighty fine,
I'll give you a crypto for it.
You know, just generic, I'll say Ethereum.
And then you'll be like, okay, and then I just text it to you, you know, just whoosh.
nick searcy
And then how do I, but like, can I take that to the 7-Eleven and buy gas with it?
ian crossland
No, you move it over to your wallet on this website called coinbase.com or something like that,
and then they'll buy your Ethereum and give you dollars.
And it'll direct deposit it into your bank account within a day or something.
tim pool
Soon, probably in the next, you know, five, 10 years, you will be able to go to 7-Eleven and use crypto.
ian crossland
Costa Rica just named Bitcoin their national currency.
It's El Salvador.
tim pool
El Salvador.
nick searcy
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, so they're a crypto economy now, and it's been really great for their standard of living.
Because Bitcoin, there's only so many, so you can't print more.
It's mined through a complicated process, and there's only so many that can exist.
Which means after a long enough period of time, the value can only go up because the amount of Bitcoin can only go
down.
lydia smith
Cap, yeah.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Predetermined deflationary currencies.
It's pretty cool.
And then you can sprint up as a million infinite amounts of them.
Currency is going to be way different in the future.
I don't think the whole idea of current and currency, like that's electrical currency.
nick searcy
Well, they're killing the dollar.
I mean, the dollar is not going to be worth very much very soon.
tim pool
Well, that's why Ian was saying that crypto may be our downfall, our trap.
Because I've talked about this before.
While I'm a big fan of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, this new decentralized financial technology, it's all trackable.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
You can go online and search Bitcoin addresses and see where the money has come from and where it's gone.
So if you post on your website, like, here's my Bitcoin address, I can take it, I can search it, and I can see where you've put your money.
You got a smart enough computer, you can track every single transaction, every single, you know, everywhere, no matter what they do with it.
So, great reset.
Bitcoin seems like it'll work really well for him, to be honest.
Yeah.
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unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We got Buck Muskie, he says.
My country has lost its democracy.
Even if we can somehow get rid of our authoritarian leaders, how can we as citizens ever come back from this great divide the state-funded media has worked so hard to create?
We're doomed.
ian crossland
I would like to say I think it is about friendship.
Like what you were saying, Nick, in Hollywood, no matter what your political things are, you have friends.
You have a community of people that know you and love you and that you love that will work with you no matter what your political values are.
And I think that's going to always be the case.
tim pool
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But if I log in on Brave, it does the normal black on white.
I don't know if this is a glitch or Google trying to censor you.
I'm a gorilla.
Well, good gorilla, sir.
I don't know either.
There have been some bugs, because we recently did a major upgrade on the site, which is going to streamline the process and reduce the errors.
This could mean that there are some errors popping up, so if anybody's having any issues, just email members at timcast.com and we'll get you set up.
All right, Jeffrey says Super Bowl tickets are like $10,000.
Corporate AF.
Oh, okay.
Is that why they want to shut down the Super Bowl?
Because no regular person can go there anyway?
seamus coughlin
But also, it's like, do they even want to shut down the Super Bowl?
lydia smith
Yeah, we don't know.
seamus coughlin
We have no clue.
tim pool
I mean, I enjoy the Super Bowl.
Not that I'm a big football fan or anything, but Sunday we're going to be hanging out.
We're going to have wings and pizza.
ian crossland
Yeah, like a good slant.
Hit your wide receiver over by the sideline.
Especially if they can jump over the corner back, man.
seamus coughlin
It's something like everyone has agreed we're going to hang out and eat good food.
tim pool
Everyone has agreed to chips, dip, and wings.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, exactly.
How are you going to argue with that?
tim pool
It's like a holiday.
nick searcy
It's Cincinnati and Los Angeles.
tim pool
Well, I don't even watch the game to be honest.
We turn it on and then we eat wings and everybody hangs out.
seamus coughlin
Tim goes, I can't wait for the halftime show.
I just love these.
tim pool
Watch the commercials.
seamus coughlin
The commercials are honestly pretty funny.
Usually, but I feel like they're going to be woke this year.
nick searcy
They were woke last year.
seamus coughlin
They were terrible last year.
They're not going to stop.
ian crossland
I was on a Super Bowl commercial one year.
I think it was 2007.
Are you serious?
It's the Orbit gum commercial where they're clipping my nose hairs in the mirror and then my roommate eats his noodles.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
Yeah.
It's online.
It's on YouTube.
Check it out.
tim pool
I'm going to pull that up.
Write that down.
I want to pull that up after the show.
Super Bowl, man.
It's a lot of fun.
But I like the woke commercials because they're funny.
Yeah, it's hilarious.
It's like, you ever see the movie The Room?
nick searcy
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, oh, hi, Mark, or whatever.
That's what it's like.
It's so bad, it's good.
But then, you know, just everyone can realize that when the really awful Super Bowl commercials come out, we can just make videos about them and talk about why they're bad.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
And then it's content.
Business is booming.
I'm half-kidding, by the way.
seamus coughlin
I can't wait for history books to talk about the Super Bowl commercial that saved America.
Like, whatever company donates a lot of money to either A, getting the history books made, or B, funding the political career of a politician who decides they need to use that curriculum is just gonna be blown up, like, this Super Bowl ad was revolutionary.
It fixed the country.
It solved the civil rights struggle, whatever.
unidentified
One tweet.
ian crossland
Alright.
tim pool
BD says, need to get Viva Frye on to talk about the legal side the government can and can't do.
I would love to have Viva back on, especially with his experience on the ground with the truckers.
lydia smith
Once they lift those restrictions, I bet we can.
unidentified
For once they end, once they end.
tim pool
Well, once Viva's, you know, wrapping up his coverage, whatever that might be, maybe he'll stay afterwards.
Maybe he'll leave early.
I don't know.
But Viva, we'd love to have you on the show.
Big fans.
You guys can support Viva Frye, F-R-E-I on YouTube.
He's been streaming on the ground.
seamus coughlin
Welcome to Costco.
tim pool
All right.
Stephen Hung says, the convoys spread all over the world.
When we win, people of the future will recognize gas cans and the Canadian goose as symbols of freedom, not the bald eagle.
How does that make you Americans feel?
seamus coughlin
Honk honk.
tim pool
I dig it.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
The Canada goose is awesome.
unidentified
I'm all for it.
ian crossland
I got your back, bro.
tim pool
Hey, we got those silly geese here.
It's the Canada goose, right?
Not the Canadian goose?
lydia smith
I think it's called Canadian goose.
tim pool
You wanna Google it?
unidentified
I'm like Grey Goose.
That's a bit different.
tim pool
When I lived in LA there are these giant white geese that hang out at this one park by the water and they're massive.
Yeah, Canada Goose.
And they run up to you and they attack you and try and steal from you.
They're not scared of you at all.
nick searcy
No.
They're on the golf course.
seamus coughlin
They'd be scared of me.
I'd teach them a lesson, you know what I mean?
lydia smith
They're tall.
tim pool
The last of my kind says, don't fight an alligator underwater.
My man Ian rolled a 20 when he said this.
unidentified
Dude.
ian crossland
That was in reference to, if you're going to argue with someone, don't play their game in their way.
seamus coughlin
It's true.
And we'll be seed so much to the left by giving them the linguistic territory, right?
We use all of their terms and we debate them.
It's crazy.
ian crossland
Or the right.
Yep.
It's attack.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Well, it's because, you know what it is?
The establishment left is a big clique of trendy morons on the playground, who for no reason like yo-yos, but because the TV told them to.
And the Republicans are like the suit-wearing stodgy kids who are like, I could yo-yo too, but yo-yos are dumb anyway.
Why won't you listen to me?
I'm trying to argue with you.
Not every single person, but eventually people start breaking away and they're like, I don't care for yo-yos, man.
Let's go hang out somewhere else.
Or like the crowd of yo-yo people are just getting really mean and nasty.
I just, you know what I can't understand is the desire to be a part of a mean girl squad.
You know what I mean?
That somewhat figuratively, like to throw it back to like the Young Turks, they're just mean people.
You know, like angry for sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, mean is an interesting word.
Like in math, the mean is the average.
And I think of when you're mean.
tim pool
Okay.
Okay.
unidentified
Stop.
tim pool
Just stop there.
They are disrespectful.
They are angry.
They are generally mean people.
Instead of saying like, I, I hereby, you know, I humbly disagree with, with you.
Good, sir.
They like mock appearances.
They call people dumb and stupid.
They, you know, Anna has overtly been like, I'm better than you.
Like from the guy from globo gym and dodgeball.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I just don't understand why anybody would be a fan of those people.
I was watching Hasan this morning, when I was watching his take on Joe Rogan, and he was like, Joe Biden is way more racist than Joe Rogan.
I'm like, I can understand watching Hasan, at least in that capacity, because he was calm about his approach.
It's probably why he got so much bigger than the Young Turks.
Young Turks should try not being so mean to people, because it's kind of off-putting.
ian crossland
Let me quickly deal with my theory about the meaning of life.
When you talk about the word mean, in math, mean is an average.
So when they say, what is the meaning of life?
I believe the meaning is the process of bringing life back to the middle.
And it's constant.
When things are bad, they get good.
When things are good, they get bad.
And that's the meaning.
tim pool
Moderation.
It's a verb.
I understand.
ian crossland
It's a present tense verb.
tim pool
Just a semantic argument, Ian.
nick searcy
If I'm mean to somebody, I'm bringing things back to the middle.
seamus coughlin
Depends on who you're being mean to.
ian crossland
Sometimes you notice if you're really nice to mean people, they get more angry.
That's the meaning.
tim pool
That's the meaning?
I guess so.
It's forcing it apart, actually.
Your niceness comes in, so it's an equal and opposite reaction.
Not much of a chance, no.
I mean, the series that they're doing now is set eight years later.
I was one year away from retirement in the show.
If I show up in this one, I'll probably be a Walmart greeter or something.
is it revisitation of the series?
nick searcy
Not much of a chance.
No.
I mean, the series that they're doing now is set eight years later.
I was one year away from retirement in the show.
If I, if I show up in this one, I'll probably be a Walmart greeter or something.
unidentified
All right, let's grab some more super chats.
tim pool
Arctic Shadow says The Daily Wire is releasing a new movie tonight.
What a great night to have on Nick Searcy.
Can you ask him what he thinks about The Daily Wire standing up to Hollywood's toxic culture?
nick searcy
Oh, well, you know, I think that what The Daily Wire is doing is what we have to do, which is basically build a new Hollywood.
We have to build our own apparatus.
We have to make our own movies.
We have to build platforms to deliver them.
And I think, you know, Daily Wire is really kind of setting the tone for all that.
And they made a really smart decision putting me in their next movie.
Terror on the Prairie coming out June the 10th with Gina Corona.
tim pool
What is that about?
nick searcy
Well, it's Terror on the Prairie.
It's about a family in the 1880s and I play a Civil War captain who's unrepentant and has a little revenge that he has to execute on a number of people.
tim pool
Union or Confederate?
nick searcy
Confederate.
unidentified
Ah, so he's mad at the North and he's No, it's more than that.
nick searcy
I mean, he was, it's sort of like, I don't want to give away the whole plot, but you know, but he, uh, you know, he, there was a number of people who were traitors to him that got his daughter killed.
tim pool
So set in the 1880s.
So you're using a single action revolvers.
unidentified
I'd imagine yeah, yeah Winchester's yeah, yeah, and it was that was that where
Hannah was the armorer or no no that was not as previous She was on but it was the other one with Nicholas Cage, but
nick searcy
it's similar I mean that one was kind of set in the same same time
tim pool
period yes So I you know I was I was trying to figure out all the guns
and stuff when I was reading about Alec Baldwin like what?
Gun would it have been what ammo what you know what size and all that looking at the era of the movies
So, like, right when the story broke, I researched the premise of the film, the time period, to figure out what kind of gun he'd be using on set.
nick searcy
Right.
tim pool
And then you quickly learn it was a single-action revolver that can't be fired unless you pull the trigger.
nick searcy
Right.
tim pool
You gotta pull the hammer back first, then pull the trigger.
nick searcy
Yeah.
tim pool
So that sounds intentional, but hey, that's just me.
nick searcy
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got here.
Bobby Moody's as Gibson goes as Canada has zero jurisdiction over them.
That's right.
But we'll see how that plays out.
John S. says, the Young Turks have always been evil, even way back when they spoke out against the Iraq War.
They only spoke out because they were paid to hate Bush.
I mean, I don't know about all that.
I didn't watch them all that long ago.
ian crossland
If there's one thing that Cenk knows how to do, it's hate.
He really hated George Bush.
I watched, I know.
tim pool
It's just, it's so weird.
ian crossland
No, Cenk, you're cool, man.
I like you.
tim pool
Cenk's cool.
Look, I can give him respect for his hard work, you know, and I mean that legitimately, but I don't understand Why they're so mean.
Maybe that's why their views are lower than they were in the past.
They've got five times the subs that we do and they get less views per video and maybe it's because they're just mean people.
nick searcy
They're miserable.
Leftists are basically miserable at the core.
seamus coughlin
I think beyond that, too.
The fact is, everyone knows that if they want to hear a left-wing perspective on current issues, they just turn their television on.
And I understand that TYT is an establishment left in the exact same way, but that's a much smaller niche audience.
nick searcy
It's true.
You can get their stuff all over the place.
Every network has it.
tim pool
Jay McMiddle.
He says, for Ian, the Turks would spit on your gums if your teeth were on fire.
You're a good dude, man, but bad people exist.
Propping them up legitimizes them.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, I wouldn't expect them to do anything for me.
They don't owe me anything.
seamus coughlin
Even if your teeth are on fire, bro?
ian crossland
Yeah, they don't owe me anything.
tim pool
Gergie says, I don't care what Anna says, Tim.
I think you are one hot hunk of a man.
That's right.
Thank you, Gergie.
unidentified
That's right.
ian crossland
Did they say that or did you?
That's right.
tim pool
I said that.
ian crossland
Correct, sir.
tim pool
Yeah, no, I don't care if they're mad that I recited these studies.
It's true.
Conservatives tend to be more attractive than liberals.
ian crossland
It's literally... Or is it that attractive people tend to be more conservative?
tim pool
Exactly.
That was the point I was making.
nick searcy
I'm living proof.
seamus coughlin
Right?
tim pool
Absolutely.
If you grow up and you're attractive, you're going to be more individualist because you'll get by easier and think anybody can do this.
ian crossland
More happy with the status quo.
tim pool
And if you're ugly, you're going to need to band together because you have less power, less privilege.
It was so weird because I was making like a lefty argument about privilege and they got mad at me for it.
It just goes to show that it's not about principle or issue.
I call it Bugs Bunny-ing.
I do this on Facebook every so often.
I get people who are tribal leftists to argue against their own positions because I adopt the position they're supposedly for.
So, you know, I can make comments that are seemingly pro-choice and then all of a sudden have these tribal leftists on Facebook making comments that are strangely pro-life.
Like, not completely, but weirdly in favor of government control of healthcare, restricting women's access.
It's called, you know how Bugs Bunny had the duck season, rabbit season thing?
And then he's like, it's rabbit season, flips it on Daffy.
That's why I call it Bugs Bunnying.
So it's like, I do a segment that argues the left's position, and then the Young Turks come out and make a video insulting me and mocking the idea that actually benefits the left's perspective on privilege.
I didn't do that on purpose, but it's just a funny circumstance.
seamus coughlin
And speaking of pro-choice on the After Show, big discussion about Gosnell on the documentary.
tim pool
Yeah, we're going to be... You guys, seriously, if you don't know the story of Gosnell, you want to check out this members-only segment we're going to do.
It's so gruesome that I don't think we can actually talk about it live on YouTube.
And it's not about, like, an overt, you know, getting censored thing.
It's an overtly unfamily-friendly thing that's going to make a lot of people un... Gruesome.
Gruesome.
But we'll talk about it.
seamus coughlin
Watch the segment, yeah.
tim pool
Please.
Yeah, we'll rate some more.
seamus coughlin
Please.
tim pool
It's crazy, it's crazy.
And you directed or?
nick searcy
I directed it.
unidentified
Yeah.
nick searcy
And played Gosnell's attorney.
Oh wow!
tim pool
Yikes.
All right, let's see.
Gabriel McLeod says, on a podcast with Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris, it was said that, quote, no amount of evidence could ever be offered to change the minds of people who do not value evidence.
People will remain willfully ignorant because it is safe.
And that's why it's just, don't argue with these people.
What's the point?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
We need to build infrastructure.
Gab is talking about, I don't know, maybe not Gab, but I think they're talking about doing a payment processor or something like that.
ian crossland
Yes, that was Gab.
tim pool
It was a Gab.
Dan Bongino was mentioning they have, you know, more right-leaning payment processors.
The right just needs to build their own infrastructure so they can't be cut out of the economy.
And you know what?
It'll create a parallel economy, but so be it.
nick searcy
And their own entertainment system.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, absolutely agreed.
ian crossland
I want to figure out a way for people to share content on the internet for free and then it to track the content back to the creator so that, like, I can let you sell my movie without having to interact with you.
You'll get a cut and then the majority goes to me because I'm the creator.
But just for it to be able to be followed and then I think I'll cut back on piracy.
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Wes says, Mr. Searcy, head of state, you played a very stereotypical Republican.
Funny movie.
Chris Rock is great.
Your bit was funny.
However, how do you look back on that 2003 film in today's political climate?
nick searcy
I was actually playing Al Gore.
Chris Rock even told me, he said, you're doing Al Gore, aren't you?
Because it was very stiff and, you know, it was just sort of, you know, the characterization.
But, I mean, you know, that movie was, it's one of those movies that doesn't say which party anybody's in, you know, and they never identified it as Democrat or Republican.
But, you know, you have the progressive sort of black candidate, Chris Rock, and I'm the vice president who thinks it's my turn to be president.
So, that's Al Gore.
I didn't see it that I was playing a Republican.
I was playing Al Gore.
tim pool
Interesting.
All right, Taylor Cook says, A law is just what some group of people with just enough power agree to.
This is why morality is so important.
Legal doesn't mean right.
Illegal doesn't mean wrong.
And a good example of this is, if you think the law is what matters, a big mistake the Republicans made just going for judges, there are many laws in the books that we don't enforce.
Have you ever seen these stories about like wacky old laws?
There's like a what I like to reference where it's you can't put a pie on your windowsill on Sundays or something like that.
And it was because back in the day when you lived in these small towns it would attract bears or something.
Now it's meaningless so you put a pie on your windowsill and nobody cares.
But it's overtly illegal!
We just don't care anymore.
So the law means a lot less than cultural enforcement.
If tomorrow every person in America woke up and said, you know, it should be illegal to do jumping jacks, then the cops would be like, hey, look, everybody wants us to arrest you for doing this.
You know, it just happened.
Stephen says, I love the sound of honking in the morning.
It smells like victory.
Greta Thanos, alright, says, people need to wake up and realize the tactics being deployed are in direct defiance of the Constitution, with the intent to destroy the Constitution.
This entire scenario ends with the extermination of anyone of Western European descent.
I don't know about that part at the end.
I think it's more about ideologies because if you look at the Latino migrants in this country, they're starting to become overwhelmingly pro-freedom and they're siding with Republicans on a lot of these issues.
So a lot of people, you know, I can't stand the people who think race is the key component of everything that's going on because it's not, it's ideology.
nick searcy
It is.
tim pool
Completely ideology.
nick searcy
And when they talk about diversity, they only are talking about race.
They're certainly not talking about diversity of opinion.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That's why they said Black Panther was a diverse movie even though the majority of actors in it were black.
nick searcy
Yeah.
tim pool
It's not.
It's just woke.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
I forgot about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right, Tony Bones says, Nick Searcy aka US Marshal, Art Mullen, and I just started re-watching Justified, still as great as I remember.
Right on.
nick searcy
Great show.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right, let's see what else we got here.
Let's see, I don't know what that would mean, so we'll just keep going.
Brian Ackner says, if it was an insurrection, who stopped it?
Also, Lydia, when can you get Patrick and Adriana from Red Pilled America on?
They are creating some great content.
lydia smith
Interesting.
I'll look them up.
nick searcy
They're good friends of mine.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
nick searcy
They did an episode on me not long ago.
lydia smith
Very cool.
I'm writing them down.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Ben Hickson says, Tim to an abused spouse.
You need to get away from them.
Ian to an abused spouse.
They still love, they could change.
Ian is the problem, allowing bad faith actors to get away with everything for peace.
ian crossland
I actually lived in an apartment building about six years ago and I could hear the man beating the woman through the wall.
He would come home from work and she'd be like, meh meh meh.
And then he'd be like, meh?
And then I'd hear, min min min min min.
He'd go, muh!
And then he'd go erratic, like she taunted him, and then he'd start slamming walls and
her screaming.
So I called the cops, bro.
Do what's right.
tim pool
All right, here's a very important one.
Bomb Globe says, Ian, babe, baby, hun, sweetie.
What?
ian crossland
That's it.
tim pool
That's what I'm trying to portray.
Don't you get it?
We need diversity.
He's a method actor.
Who said that?
Daniel?
Ian, he sounds like a plan, a plant from the feds.
ian crossland
That's what I'm trying to portray.
Don't you get it?
We need diversity.
seamus coughlin
He's a method actor.
tim pool
Daniel Brent said, Ian's rolling a 20 tonight in the form of 20 different ones.
Give him some DMT.
ian crossland
Who said that?
tim pool
Daniel?
Daniel Brent.
ian crossland
Nice one.
tim pool
So in Dungeons and Dragons, you roll for things to happen.
And when you roll 20, it's the highest you can get.
So it's like critical success.
And when you roll a 1, it's abysmal failure.
So that's what it means when Ian rolls a 1.
ian crossland
I'm extreme.
tim pool
It means, he's not doing, he's making bad points.
ian crossland
Leave it to me.
tim pool
But there are some people who like Ian.
nick searcy
Yeah, they're evil.
tim pool
It's part of why I do well.
ian crossland
I do well on shows like this because when I swing and miss, Tim's really good or you guys like being like, I'll take this one guy.
tim pool
Jason M says, I don't know if I can make out what you're trying to say in the beginning.
He says, Are you sure you know Ian?
100% he talks like he's a plant from the feds.
Seriously, pay attention to his words.
lydia smith
Yes, we know Ian.
seamus coughlin
Ian, I don't think Ian's a plant.
tim pool
I don't think Ian does enough.
Like, if he was a fad, the fads would be like, come on, do something.
ian crossland
I had a vision last night of going to Congress with Thomas Massey and telling everyone about friendship.
And how important it is.
And bringing them all together and having a picnic out on his farm or something.
tim pool
That needs to be a cartoon.
ian crossland
Let's all go.
Let's get Congress to go on a picnic together.
tim pool
The power of friendship.
That's like my little pony.
ian crossland
Because I looked over at Nancy Pelosi.
She was like, he's right.
Like, after all said and done, it is about hanging out with your friends.
tim pool
Well, I mean, to be fair, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell realizing they're friends and then just like, you know, going on top of a building and watching a Hunger Games-style fight of poor people while they drink expensive wine.
That's the kind of friendship they'd have.
seamus coughlin
Maybe they are friends and it's theater.
tim pool
Cornelius says, Ian, I love you brother.
Man, you are rolling ones tonight.
Tammy should look into getting John Schaefer on.
He's an amazing guitar player in the band Iced Earth and he was at the Capitol for January 6th.
Was he in the Capitol or was he at the rally?
That's an interesting question.
AA Dubbs says, Last night was the first time in my 41 years that I donated to a political campaign.
I sent $50 to both.
25 years in the kitchen, 15 years as a chef.
I would like a chance to help with Freedomistan or as a private chef if you're interested.
Awesome, Jacket Nick.
seamus coughlin
It is a cool jacket, by the way.
unidentified
My daughter made this jacket.
ian crossland
Does she sell stuff?
nick searcy
No, she started quilting a few years ago and then she's built up to this.
It's incredible.
tim pool
We are planning on hiring a chef, but I don't know to what degree we can get a good chef.
lydia smith
I had a chef hit me up just now during the show and he wants to come on and talk about part of it.
tim pool
So the idea is, with the new facility and as we're expanding, it'll actually be cheaper for us to have someone buy the food and cook it, as opposed to constantly ordering out.
Super expensive and unhealthy.
And for the crew, for a variety of reasons, we often do order so we can have events here, either for meetings or because we're having a get-together for, you know, we filmed the green room and so we need supplies.
So we were thinking, I was thinking about it, I'm like, we could just hire someone.
It would be so much cheaper to just pick up a bunch of steaks from the store and then just make some really healthy stuff.
Everyone would be eating better.
It would be saving us money.
ian crossland
And you'd be hiring, getting someone a job.
tim pool
And we'd be creating jobs.
We would be job creators.
nick searcy
Just make sure they're not infiltrators.
lydia smith
I'll taste the food.
tim pool
Yeah, Ian has to eat it first.
ian crossland
I sure will.
tim pool
Diane Isis says, Ian's roll streaks is taking a hit this match.
Comeback will come out of nowhere.
seamus coughlin
Comeback will come out of nowhere.
If anyone thinks he's rolling ones, there will be a comeback.
Ian's going to roll some twice.
ian crossland
That's the point.
I learned in school, actually, when I was little, I used to get all A's.
And then I started getting A minuses and B's, and they're like, what's wrong?
And I was like, I don't like doing homework.
They're like, well, And I realized they expected me to get A's because I had gotten A's before.
So I was like, well, if I try a little less, then they won't expect too much from me.
So that's kind of how I live.
B plus.
And then when I crack it out of the park, they're like, whoa.
tim pool
Yeah.
I had kind of an epiphany when I was a kid and I was just like, grades don't matter.
lydia smith
Huh.
tim pool
What's the point?
seamus coughlin
I said that to a teacher.
tim pool
All you gotta do is pass.
And D passes.
If you wanna go to the next grade, just do the bare minimum.
lydia smith
C's get degrees.
tim pool
What do you get by getting straight A's?
And I was just like, my whole life I got straight A's.
And for what?
And so I was just like...
unidentified
My buddy's dad gave him like 20 bucks an A. Well, I guess it depends on if you want to go off to a prestigious university, you gotta have a really high GPA.
But yeah, I didn't do that.
tim pool
Yeah, I didn't do it either.
Marshall says, can Nick yell Parker?
Well, you shouldn't yell, but is that from something?
ian crossland
Parker!
nick searcy
Yeah, that was a show called Seven Days.
1998 to 2001.
I've been around a long time.
I'm tired!
ian crossland
What year did you start?
nick searcy
Well, I moved to New York in 1982 after college to be an actor.
ian crossland
I'm tired.
What year did you start?
nick searcy
Well, I moved to New York in 1982 after college to be an actor.
ian crossland
Where'd you go to college?
nick searcy
University of North Carolina.
ian crossland
Was it for acting?
nick searcy
English major.
But I did a lot of plays.
tim pool
How do you get into acting in New York?
Shout up and knock on someone's door?
nick searcy
Yeah, audition for plays.
I mean, back then, the path for an actor back then was you get a play and you get somebody to come see you.
Because there wasn't YouTube.
There wasn't anything.
And so you just tried to get somebody to come see you in a play.
ian crossland
You send flyers to agencies and be like, I'm going to be performing here.
nick searcy
Yeah, send out little postcards with your picture on it.
Hi, this week I did this and then I had a few beers and whatever.
You're just trying to put your face in front of them.
ian crossland
It was so interesting to be in Hollywood during the transition to internet video because people kept doing that.
They kept sending postcards and I was like, dude, it's 2007.
Right.
And people are watching YouTube now.
But it took them so long to transition.
tim pool
I still have musicians that I'll meet and they'll be like, I'll be like, you have some music?
Like, I have CDs.
Not even kidding.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, what?
I don't have a CD player.
For real though.
seamus coughlin
I got some cassettes.
tim pool
I can't even put it in my PlayStation.
It doesn't even play CDs.
ian crossland
8 tracks only.
nick searcy
The DVDs are for the old people.
ian crossland
Oh, but people can get it online too.
We'll talk about that at the end.
tim pool
Justin says, can you adopt a Canadian?
I hate it here.
We can't.
It's actually really hard to hire Canadians.
It's crazy.
lydia smith
Move down.
You can do it.
tim pool
You got to move here, you know?
unidentified
Correct.
nick searcy
Well, if he's vaccinated.
lydia smith
Yeah.
It's so hard.
tim pool
All right, let's grab another super chat.
Just scrolling through and see we got going on.
I can't read this name because it's in what looks like simplified Cantonese, but they said, Ian is incomprehensible.
LMAO.
Absolutely insane.
ian crossland
I love it.
tim pool
Here's the thing, Ian.
Here's the thing.
There have been, I think, three conversations we've had where you started arguing not based on what we're talking about, but on a different definition of the word.
ian crossland
I'm glad you noticed.
tim pool
And well, people aren't fans of it.
ian crossland
I don't know.
Well, we could get into that later.
tim pool
Like the easiest example is the one is when I said they're so mean, you said mean means average.
ian crossland
And in the universe, you're not talking about what we're talking about.
Because sometimes if people are being really nice all the time, you see people get angry.
And then if some people are really angry all the time, you see people trying to be nice.
But that's mean.
tim pool
But the purpose is.
ian crossland
Why are you trying to change my feelings?
tim pool
You weren't meaningfully engaging with the conversation.
ian crossland
You might be right about that.
tim pool
I think that's what they're saying.
ian crossland
Also, interesting what they're saying.
It sounds like I'm saying nonsense.
It's like if two people are talking in Spanish and you don't understand it, it's going to sound like they're talking in nonsense.
unidentified
LOL.
ian crossland
What are they even talking about?
They're stupid because they're not making any sense.
But just because you don't understand them.
tim pool
I sent you a link to your Orbit commercial.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
Ian's got a Super Bowl commercial?
ian crossland
Yeah, they end up running it on the Super Bowl.
It was weird.
It was early on in my career.
It was the third commercial I did.
I did a Dr. Pepper commercial.
tim pool
People don't get that.
Because we've had people be like, who's this Ian guy?
Like, we know Freedom Tunes.
Like, yo, Ian's Super Bowl commercial.
ian crossland
I definitely had a chance to go into that career path, the Hollywood career, but YouTube was so enticing.
Just being able to speak my mind, the freedom that comes with that is immeasurable monetarily.
tim pool
Missy says, Tim, are you coming around to my line of thinking that Vice News provoking supremacists in Charlottesville was theater?
Nope.
Yeah, I think Vice went down there to film to get clicks.
That's what Vice News does.
Vice used to be good.
It really did.
That's why I wanted to work there.
And when we went on the ground and we covered these stories, there was no one telling us what we had to do.
We just covered the stories.
It was a lot of fun.
ian crossland
I really liked Hannibal Buress.
He would go and do different drugs in different countries.
tim pool
Hannibal Buress?
ian crossland
Is that his last name?
No, not Buress.
That's a comedian.
Shout out, Hannibal.
unidentified
What's Hannibal's last name?
tim pool
I don't think his name is Hannibal.
ian crossland
You're right.
tim pool
Who are you talking about?
ian crossland
The guy who, he's a Vice documentary.
tim pool
He's the son of that filmmaker guy.
ian crossland
Ah man, Vice had this great guy.
Google him.
tim pool
Look, Google Vice drug guy.
People are gonna, they'll chat his name.
ian crossland
Hamilton.
Hamilton Morris, I think is his last name.
Hamilton.
tim pool
Yes.
All right, here's what we're going to do.
I want to talk to you, Nick, about your film, Gosnell, that story, and a lot more around Hollywood.
But this is such a gruesome story that it's going to be in the member segment.
So go to TimCast.com, become a member, sign up.
We'll have this up for you around 11 or so p.m.
Watch it.
Watch all of the other content we have in our library.
We had Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene on last night.
That was a really interesting conversation.
And we are funded by your memberships.
It helps run this business.
So we're eternally grateful.
You can follow me at TimCast on Instagram or wherever.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
Nick, did you want to shout anything out?
nick searcy
I'm sorry.
I took my headset off.
tim pool
You want to shout anything out?
nick searcy
Oh, no.
Just go to CapitalPunishmentTheMovie.com and check out the documentary.
tim pool
Do you have a social media?
Twitter?
Anything like that?
nick searcy
Yeah.
YesNickCirce at Twitter.
I don't recommend it.
ian crossland
I have my My button hovering over the follow, are you sure?
nick searcy
It's a knife fight.
My Twitter feed is a knife fight.
ian crossland
I'm following you anyway.
nick searcy
I'm very mean.
ian crossland
I might unfollow you, but it's not personal.
unidentified
Alright.
ian crossland
It's more about mental health.
nick searcy
My mother keeps telling me, you need to shut that thing down.
You need to get off that Twitter.
seamus coughlin
Do you think Twitter has brought out the best in anyone?
unidentified
No.
seamus coughlin
Ever?
ian crossland
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
It's so horrible.
A good day on Twitter is like you were mean to someone else, but people thought it was funny.
And then a bad day on Twitter is everyone's being mean to you.
It's just a horrible platform.
nick searcy
It's true.
seamus coughlin
That's like what the website is.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
unidentified
It's true.
tim pool
I've, I ignore responses.
So people are mean to me and I don't care.
And I, I'm not mean to other people.
I'll quote them maybe, but I really love it.
You know, it's like, you know, when I post nonsense on Twitter and people eat it up.
seamus coughlin
Well yeah, no, you can also just post jokes too, but I think the vast majority of it is just people trying to dunk on each other.
tim pool
I love it.
I hate it for a long time.
I think it's destroying civilization, but I love how serious journalists take it.
And then I can post the stupidest thing and they write a story.
Like, I wrote Impeach the Queen, and I got a whole article written up about me saying Tim Pool calls for impeaching Queen Elizabeth.
It's amazing!
I love it!
unidentified
That's hysterical.
nick searcy
No, I look at it like improv class.
It's like, you know, I'm just sort of trading barbs with people, you know.
lydia smith
We're workshopping jokes here.
seamus coughlin
Well, my name is Seamus Coghlan.
I'm a cartoonist.
I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
We release a new cartoon every Thursday.
We released one today called Fed Talks about the involvement of feds in trying to infiltrate right-wing movements and entrap people.
I think you guys are going to enjoy it.
It's doing pretty well.
And thank you so much for stopping by and watching the show, and I hope you check out my YouTube channel.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
Great to see you guys.
Nick, thank you so much for coming, man.
And this is, again, the documentary is Capital Punishment.
Can I keep this?
nick searcy
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Absolutely.
ian crossland
I'm really interested in this.
And I really, I think these people that are in prison, these people in solitary confinement, this is like the most maybe under-talked about, maybe next to the war in Yemen, the genocide in Yemen right now.
unidentified
This is like very, very... It's unbelievably awful.
nick searcy
And, you know, there's a guy in there testifies about how he's been, how he was treated when he was in there by the prison guards.
It is really, really sick, and it shouldn't be happening.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Capital punishment.
You guys, check it out.
lydia smith
And thank you guys very much for tuning in.
I have been remiss in my Freedom Tunes watching.
I need to catch up on this one and the one before it, I'm afraid.
ian crossland
I'm hurt.
lydia smith
I'm so sorry, Seamus.
That's all right.
seamus coughlin
I get it.
Hey, we all get busy.
lydia smith
I've sinned, I know.
Anyway, you guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sour Patch Lids.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
Go to TimCast.com, become a member, and we will see you all there.
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