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Timcast IRL - DOJ Deployed "Kill Commandos" Jan 6th DISPROVING Insurrection Narrative w/Posobiec
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ian crossland
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tim pool
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tim pool
So, we have this crazy story that came out yesterday that there were secret commandos
deployed on January 6th with shoot to kill authority.
Now, we started about a minute or so late because the initial story I had read said that Trump had deployed them, and I think that was incorrect.
So we wanted to change the headline, and then actually have a discussion about what it really means.
It was the DOJ.
It was apparently, I think, Rosen who deployed these commandos to prevent a terror attack.
I don't know if it actually came from Donald Trump.
I want to make sure that was clear, but this is huge.
If it was the executive branch that was trying to shut this thing down, I think it's still incorrect to claim that there was an insurrection narrative, or the insurrection narrative is completely absurd to begin with, and this is just more evidence to the fact that the media is completely in the wrong about what happened on January 6th.
But there's a better story outside of all of this.
That, I think, is the big news, the lead.
There's also a really funny story.
If an election was held today, Joe Biden would lose to Donald Trump.
The nation supports Trump by an average of five points above Joe Biden in aggregate, not any single poll.
And if the mainstream media is maintaining their narrative that Trump is currently involved in a conspiracy to overthrow American democracy and that there was an insurrection or a coup, that would mean that Americans, knowing this, support it more than Joe Biden, which says a whole lot about what their narrative is.
But we'll have to break down the news to make sure we get it absolutely correct.
There's a bunch of other stories.
The Daily Mail has joined Getter, which is huge because once Getter becomes a utility for news gathering, you're going to see way more people signing up.
So that's a big deal.
500,000 people reportedly signed up for Getter after the Joe Rogan episode.
And we've also got reports about lockdowns coming in Canada.
And believe it or not, Bernie Sanders will face a primary challenge from the left.
lydia smith
Joe Biden.
tim pool
Joe Biden will?
Speak, Jack.
jack posobiec
Bernie Sanders' campaign manager says that Joe Biden will face a primary challenger, and since it's Bernie Sanders' manager saying this, I guess the implication would be that it would be Bernie.
tim pool
I totally screwed that one up.
Thank you for correcting me on that one, Jack.
So, okay then.
Well, as all of you know, Jack Lewis here.
jack posobiec
Life fact checking.
Life fact checking.
tim pool
I got that one wrong.
Jack, what's going on?
jack posobiec
What's going on?
Welcome back.
Merry Christmas.
Happy New Year to everybody.
It's been a minute.
I've got my Baizhuo t-shirt on, which is Tim's favorite word in Mandarin.
But Tim, why don't you tell us, what does Baizhuo mean?
tim pool
White left.
jack posobiec
White left.
tim pool
It's Mandarin for SJW.
jack posobiec
And the subtitle is, China figured it out, we didn't.
Right?
And this is actually sent to me by the MythInform guys for Christmas.
So Merry Christmas, guys.
You bunch of filthy atheists.
And it was really cool.
This is the idea that in the West, right, we are sort of controlled by the grip of this like fearsome minority of the white left, where they're just these angry little, but, you know, very vocal and loud screaming leftists that are all typically white and have this undue influence in the West for some reason.
And China figured this out and made it a joke years ago.
tim pool
You know, we saw this with Patton Oswalt.
He's the perfect example.
jack posobiec
Amazing example.
tim pool
He's like, I've been friends with Dave Chappelle for three, four years, but I'm gonna apologize for being friends with him.
jack posobiec
I'm gonna apologize for being friends with the guy who created and starred in Chappelle's show, right?
You know, who's one of the probably the most prominent comedian in the country right now.
I mean, how could you could you think of anyone that's more prominent?
ian crossland
Rogan, Chappelle, the two of them.
jack posobiec
I mean, is Rogan just a comedian?
No, he's more than I mean, he's prominent, but I think he's prominent for being other than just his comedy.
tim pool
We'll get into this.
luke rudkowski
We got Luke here.
unidentified
I'm impressed.
luke rudkowski
He's been working on that.
But anyway, today I am wearing a shirt representing Joe Biden in his natural essence and habitat.
That, of course, is a puppet with the saying, who's really in charge?
That's a big question.
And, of course, that's left to a lot of interpretation, but it gets a lot of people thinking.
And if you want to do that, you can by just getting this shirt on thebestpoliticalshirts.com and supporting me at the same time.
I'm excited for this conversation.
Yeah, check.
It's going to be fun.
It's going to be interesting.
And we also have a new person joining us that came back that wasn't here this year at all.
lydia smith
I just got hired.
jack posobiec
First time all year.
Since last year.
ian crossland
My first time on TV, guys, so be nice to me.
Hey, I'm back, guys.
jack posobiec
One of last season's... What's up, dudes?
tim pool
You survived the Langoliers, man.
ian crossland
It was wild.
I fell asleep on the plane.
I don't remember much after that.
jack posobiec
Did you see any walnuts that were possibly airborne?
ian crossland
I almost screamed at you just now.
tim pool
Possibly airborne.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jack posobiec
Airborne walnuts.
ian crossland
Ian survived.
Is the Langoliers at the end of the movie like, And then it like pauses in midair where they're like jumping freeze frame.
tim pool
I don't think so.
ian crossland
Cheap movie.
jack posobiec
No, I never, I never saw the end.
Wait, that might've been... What's really funny is I've only ever watched Langelier's once, but I was on an airplane and I never saw the ending because I fell asleep.
unidentified
Oh, there you go.
ian crossland
Dirty.
lydia smith
That's a common problem.
ian crossland
Dude, I promised him I was going to start wearing jeans on the show and no longer wear my pajamas.
I'm going professional this year, but I've got to show you guys this.
I came home yesterday.
jack posobiec
He's wearing pajamas.
ian crossland
And I found these.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
ian crossland
Who would send me such crazy and amazing pajama pants?
It was Luke Rutkowski.
lydia smith
Those are super rare.
jack posobiec
Those look new.
tim pool
You've got to wear pants, man.
jack posobiec
Come on, dude.
This is a professional environment.
ian crossland
I love you guys.
Thank you so much.
I had an amazing time away from the TV for a little while and I highly suggest doing the same for yourself, for your state of mind.
Be good to yourself and your friends and your family.
Now's the time.
jack posobiec
Amen.
unidentified
Right on.
tim pool
We got Lydia.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm here as well.
We were talking about polarity before the show tonight, which is always a great source of freakin' dad jokes.
And I did want to say that I remember when the Chinese went from making fun of the Beizhou to, like, weaponizing them.
jack posobiec
Totally weaponizing.
tim pool
That's right, very smart.
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Let's read this, this story here.
This is from Newsweek.
Came out the other day.
Secret commandos with shoot-to-kill authority were at the Capitol.
On Sunday, January 3rd, the heads of a dozen elite government special operations team met in Quantico, Virginia to go over potential threats, contingencies, and plans for the upcoming joint session of Congress.
The meeting and the subsequent deployment of these shadowy commandos on January 6th has never before been revealed.
Right after the New Year, Jeffrey Rosen, the acting Attorney General on January 6, approved implementation of long-standing contingency plans dealing with the most extreme possibilities, an attack on Donald Trump or Vice President Mike Pence, a terror attack involving a weapon of mass destruction, and a declaration of measures to implement continuity of government requiring protection and movement of presidential successors.
Rosen made a unilateral decision to take the preparatory steps to deploy the Justice Department's so-called national forces.
There was no formal request from the U.S.
Capitol Police, the Secret Service, or the Metropolitan Police Department, in fact.
No external request from any agency.
The leadership in Justice and the FBI anticipated the worst and decided to act independently, the Special Operations forces lurking behind the scenes.
So here's the question I have with this story.
If they knew all of this, if they had the foresight to say there was a very serious threat, where was the National Guard?
Where were the Capitol Police?
Why weren't they sharing intelligence?
Why weren't they doing anything to prevent the so-called insurrection?
ian crossland
It's almost like they wanted it to happen.
jack posobiec
So I can explain to everybody a couple of things here if you want.
So there was that bit.
So right before we started, there was a question of, because I think, Tim, you had seen on the Daily Mail, the way they categorized this.
tim pool
I think it was Daily Mail.
jack posobiec
It may have been Daily Mail, that Trump had deployed these teams, right?
Which changes things.
But if you read through, what it states is, is that Trump had approved the authority for these teams.
tim pool
Oh, interesting.
jack posobiec
Trump approved the authority for these teams back during the summer of 2020.
And he had put the order in because, remember, the riots were going on late May, early June 2020.
Horrific.
The city of D.C.
was on fire.
tim pool
Hold on.
Trump authorized commandos with shoot-to-kill authority because of the George Floyd riots?
jack posobiec
So, yes and no.
Well, yes, right?
It's not like he specifically said that.
But this, look, this is what we would call this is the NCR CONOP.
So the NCR con op, and if Tom Sauer were here, he would know exactly what I'm talking about.
That essentially means if there is a threat to the national capital region, that's kind of like all bets are off, like this is the head of the government, right?
So if there is a threat to the national capital region, that that stuff just in place, you just press the button and boom, all this stuff gets spun up.
And it gets spun up real fast.
And so I believe, and I knew, and I reported some of this back when it happened, but there were reports that the 82nd Airborne was flying airborne.
Remember those helicopters that you saw over DC during the summer of 2020?
So let me just put it this way.
If the 82nd is up in the air, who do you think is on those birds, right?
Who do you think is operating on the ground?
If you can see the 82nd up in the air, right?
It's just one of those like common sense kind of things.
Like, just think about this.
That's tier one response, because if the head of government goes down, right, who else is left?
Like, you need to defend the Capitol.
And so they do not play any jokes.
They do not mess around with that stuff.
And so we already knew that Barr, during the summer of 2020, had taken the step to deputize all federal law enforcement agencies.
Remember this.
This was reported.
I know you've talked about it.
Are you talking about in Oregon?
Throughout the entire country.
All three-letter agencies that were 1811.
So if you have an 1811, that means you're a special agent.
So if you're Customs and Border Patrol under DHS, if you're Secret Service, even IRS has 1811s, that's your special agent in federal law enforcement.
That means I'm a federal agent, right?
Federal agent, right?
That's 1811.
So an 1811, however, is not normally tasked with, or your Bureau of Prisons, for example, that's, they have 1811s.
You're not usually tasked with defending the Capitol.
Barr put forward, this is the same reason why BORTAC, which is the special ops unit for the border, went up to Oregon.
So Barr had put out this blanket order.
So a bunch of these blanket orders were signed during that period.
This is one of them.
However, I don't think Trump ever considered that it would be used at the Capitol during Interesting.
Interesting.
However, because the authority was already signed, Rosen looked at it and said, yeah,
sure, send them to the Capitol.
tim pool
They didn't do anything, though.
jack posobiec
So we know.
tim pool
Oh, I see.
jack posobiec
Listen, what I think, I think the reason this is, why is this coming out in Newsweek now?
Why, when there's been so many questions about January 6th, when this has been front-page news, even though, by the way, the ratings on anything related to January 6th, they're in the dumpster, right?
Nobody in, like, the rest of the country is really caring that much about this, and the opinion polls bear this out.
That you have one narrow band of people that, like, really, really care about it, and they all watch Rachel Maddow and Joy Reid and A lot of them are in the White House currently, like Ron Klain.
But other than that, people have kind of moved on.
They care about inflation, they care about the gas prices, etc.
But suddenly you've got people like Darren Beatty, like myself, who have been out there talking about, you know, Tucker Carlson had this huge documentary about what was going on with federal agents in terms of this.
We're one year away from it.
We know that the January 6th committee has been continuing to go after Hannity.
Now they're going after other people.
tim pool
Hannity!
jack posobiec
They knew.
They are.
They've just requested his, you know, they've requested his assistance.
And then if he doesn't comply, that'll be next step.
luke rudkowski
Did they request documents from you?
jack posobiec
I have not been.
I have not had any communication with January 6th committee.
And then what was I on that?
Okay.
So they know that something is going to come out regarding this.
And remember they all called Tucker Carlson.
crazy. They said a tinfoil hair on fire for suggesting that federal agents from these
agencies may have been involved on January 6 or involved with any of these militias or
anything like that. And now suddenly we get these people coming out on their own. I see
to say, well, okay, we did have special operations commandos, but they were only there to protect.
They were only there to do this and we guarantee they weren't doing anything else.
tim pool
So you think that some of these guys were involved with effectively planning or pushing people towards things like that?
I don't want to say that guy's name necessarily, but there's a guy who everyone's accusing of being a fed.
jack posobiec
Yeah, and I don't even know if it would be that far, but I would guarantee you that at some level, if these guys were doing their jobs, they would be running operations, they would be dressing up, playing clothes, they would be going into the crowd, they would be saying, hey, what are you guys doing after?
What are you doing after the thing?
You guys giving up the capital, maybe?
I think the narrative is already... I think that's all going to come out.
tim pool
Well, the idea that the DOJ had enough foresight to prepare to have special operations on the ground suggests that, for some reason, they did not have standard law enforcement, police or National Guard, that they were so worried about a terror attack that they get a handful of these commandos Why not go talk to the police and say, hey, look, we think this is a serious threat, so why don't you beef up security?
jack posobiec
Which, by the way, in that video where the guy says... Tim, don't bury the lead.
There was a terror attack.
There were pipe bombs that were planted on January 5th the night before at the RNC and the DNC.
You know, I get that you want to go after like rolling up, you know, MAGA memos and everything in Alaska, but I'm a little bit more worried about who was planting the pipe bombs, you know, at the heads of our national committees for both parties.
luke rudkowski
The intelligence agencies definitely lost the Vegas shooter that thing.
unidentified
That's definitely one way of expressing it.
jack posobiec
Largest mass shooting in U.S.
history, and yet we don't even know anything about this motive.
luke rudkowski
And then the fact that we had this incident all over Washington, D.C., which is a surveillance grid, which has surveillance cameras everywhere.
You had someone leaving pipe bombs and they still haven't caught the person that hit that?
And if people don't know where those are located, they're within walking distance.
I believe the RNC or DNC as well, there's a number of pipe bombs that day.
And this, of course, leads to a lot of speculation, a lot of conspiracy theories that there was a plan B, if something didn't work out, that they would use this as a staging.
jack posobiec
You've seen the Blue Anon thing on this, right?
Who they claim who it is?
luke rudkowski
No, I didn't see that.
jack posobiec
There is a Blue Anon thing out there where they claim that the pipe bomb, because of...
There's like some reason that they say from the video.
I don't know if it's the sneakers or the walk or something.
Blue Anon actually claims that the pipe bomber was Marjorie Taylor Greene.
I kid you not.
Like you can go go look it up.
They actually have, I don't know if there's articles, but you can find it on like TikTok and stuff.
Where they say, yeah, that we think it was Marjorie Taylor Greene and they have these whole theories and like, where was she the night before, et cetera.
They're making fake tweets about it.
tim pool
No, no, no joke.
Daily Dot fake tweet attempts to link Marjorie Taylor Greene to Capitol.
jack posobiec
Daily Dot is like as far left crazy as you can go.
luke rudkowski
I'm kind of with you here, Jack.
I think the federal government is more implicated here than we even know about.
jack posobiec
Wait, wait, wait, look at this.
Same gate, same left arm swing, same dropped left shoulder.
unidentified
That is crazy.
jack posobiec
Shoes look the same.
ian crossland
Turns out it was a human.
jack posobiec
Wait, wait, guys, guys.
Dark pants.
Dark pants were both worn by Marjorie Taylor Greene.
ian crossland
That's a shadow.
jack posobiec
And the Pipe Bomber.
Casts a shadow.
ian crossland
Roller.
unidentified
Now everyone's got skateboards they carry all their stuff and individually wrapped plastic bags.
ian crossland
She also has a roller bag. Nobody has a roller. No, nobody has a person. Yeah, they stopped using those in the 90s
tim pool
Now everyone's got skateboards. They carry all their stuff and individually wrapped plastic bags. I'm gonna have to be
ian crossland
skeptical on this one I've been watching a lot of information on
The bombing of Pearl Harbor and that I've heard that the American government knew there was gonna be an attack
They didn't know where.
So they were kind of, they just let it happen because they needed to incite the people to get angry and go to war.
And I, when I see these like waiting, letting it happen, they knew it was going to, they were there just in case, but they kind of let something happen.
It looks like they obviously didn't stop it.
tim pool
I can't, I can't.
jack posobiec
Well, that's the thing about like Admiral Layton, who was the N2 or the J2 for PACOM at the time, who was the Intel Director out there before he was Admiral.
I think it was Commander Layton.
My Navy buddies are gonna be mad at me for that one.
He, he had predicted that it would come to Pearl Harbor, but nobody listened to him.
tim pool
Yeah, so there's a couple of different ways people address that.
They say either, we had reason to believe, it was ignored, we had intelligence, it was ignored, or they outright knew it was about to happen and said, stand down, we need it.
jack posobiec
Well, it's not that we didn't miss that the entire Japanese fleet left Tokyo.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
It was the idea, are they going to hit the Philippines?
Are they going to hit Hong Kong?
Or are they going to hit Hawaii?
And what people don't realize is that they actually hit all three at the same time.
tim pool
But I will say this, because I can't speak to that stuff.
I will say the history people think they know, man, if you had any idea.
jack posobiec
And the example I often give is... If the news are fake, imagine history.
tim pool
Take a look at Occupy Wall Street.
Occupy Wall Street, the story of what went on in Occupy Wall Street, is predominantly told by those who favored Occupy Wall Street.
The people who opposed it weren't in the park.
So there were very few people who are going to give you an honest assessment of what actually happened there, and even the people who might be there as actual journalists couldn't see the entirety of the picture.
Not even I could, not even Luke could.
We were down there.
But I'll tell you this, the stuff I see they write about Occupy and what was going on, I'm like, man, they just lie about everything to make it seem good.
What's going to happen is it's going to be 20, 30 years and they're going to be like, we're going to read this book on what happened during Occupy Wall Street.
And it's going to be all fluff, all of the bad stuff stripped out.
And I'm sure the same is true for American history and for the revolution.
jack posobiec
Spanish Civil War.
tim pool
Spanish Civil War.
There's probably a whole bunch of really crazy, gruesome, awful stuff the Americans did during the war for independence that just doesn't get told about.
ian crossland
Yeah, dude, the Native American genocide.
The conquest.
tim pool
Well, I mean, it's conquest.
You look at the movie The Patriot with Mel Gibson, which is a fantastic movie, and they talk about the, you know, what did he call it?
I don't know.
The wilderness campaign.
The really brutal stuff that this guy did.
There's probably stuff you're never going to hear because the people who won were probably like, don't tell them what we had to do to win.
Give them a good victory story.
jack posobiec
That's actually why I like the movie Fury.
If you've seen that one.
Oh, really?
You haven't seen that?
So this is the movie.
Any of you guys seen that?
unidentified
No.
jack posobiec
So Brad Pitt.
I think Shia LaBeouf was in it and a couple other people.
And it just shows it's it's a story of like one tank one tank unit in Europe.
And it's just the it's the mud and the grit and the dirt and like some kid comes up with You know, with an RPG and they've got to shoot the kid,
unidentified
right?
jack posobiec
Or else he's going to blow up the tank and kill everybody.
And it's just it's dirty and it's nasty.
And there's this one this one part where Brad Pitt has and they have the German.
Right. And so Chalabaf has just joined the unit is kind of the plot of it.
And they've got this Nazi that they've captured.
And they're like in Brad Pitt's like, we ain't got no room for prisoners here.
This ain't a prisoner unit.
unidentified
And he's like, he's got a job.
jack posobiec
His job is killing you.
You got a job.
Your job is killing him.
Are you going to do your job?
Are you going to let him do his job?
And it's just like all these various scenes like that culminating.
The first thing he has to do is wash his buddy's face and guts out of the tank because he's taking that seat.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I've seen that movie.
It reminds me exactly of what you were talking about.
jack posobiec
This is what 99% of warfare was like.
luke rudkowski
And there's also the bombing of Dresden, which also goes unaddressed and not talked about.
What FDR knew about, you know, the camps.
There's so much history that, again, we just aren't privy to and so much of it hasn't been covered.
jack posobiec
Vitelewski, who infiltrated Auschwitz twice, was writing reports in the early 40s back to the Polish underground intelligence officer, infiltrates Auschwitz.
Sets up literally a radio relay from inside the camp to get it out to the Polish underground.
They send the reports back to the British.
The British put it on a shelf.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
unidentified
Wow.
luke rudkowski
FDR too.
jack posobiec
And yeah, FDR, yeah.
tim pool
Let's talk about modern sentiments because I want to stay on the January 6th topic.
We have the story from Newsweek.
Biden starts 2022 trailing Trump by average of nearly 5 points in 2024 election polls.
Now, I would like you to all enter the worldview of the establishment left.
They believe that Donald Trump staged a military coup and failed.
They believe that Donald Trump staged an insurrection and failed.
They believe that he is currently trying to engage in another coup and another insurrection, the Atlantic rights.
Trump's next coup has already begun.
January 6 was practice.
Donald Trump's GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.
Combine these stories and you will start to see a very interesting picture.
jack posobiec
Is this the one where it's like, you know, people are running for local precinct chair and stuff?
tim pool
But look, there's another story that we talked about on the show a few weeks ago where it says the Trump conspiracy is still continuing.
If the Atlantic If these mainstream publications genuinely believe that Trump is actively engaging in the subversion of U.S.
democracy, it means that the polls show more Americans favor the insurrection and the coup than the establishment government.
jack posobiec
Well, I have a I have a I have a thing on this and I was I was kind of joking around on Twitter yesterday and I said, you know, all of the headlines make sense if you if you can learn to speak regime glitch and regime glitch.
Yeah, I figured you'd like that one.
And so if you speak regime glitch, so and I lifted this bit from From Adrian Vermeule, and I don't usually make it a habit of quoting Harvard professors, but you know, he's kind of like a token, you know, good guy.
So I'll quote him.
And he said, when they say democracy, they really mean liberalism, right?
So just always, always substitute the word, you know, Trump is a threat to democracy.
Trump is a threat to liberalism.
Trump is seeking to subvert democracy.
Trump is seeking to subvert liberalism.
tim pool
You see that, but I don't even think liberalism is the right word because they're a cult.
It's something entirely different.
ian crossland
The liberal economic order, that thing they started in the 40s.
jack posobiec
It is the liberal order, yeah.
tim pool
But did you see that clip that went viral where, you know, they're like, the Republicans are a threat to democracy because they might win elections?
ian crossland
Yeah, this is, it's not a coup when you unseat a sitting president through votes and win the election.
That's a natural way that it functions.
It might seem coup-ish.
tim pool
That's not what they're saying.
ian crossland
Because it's a new guy coming in and unseating the old man.
jack posobiec
No, but again, it's, they, they have, right, in their own mind, They have gone so far into their own, you could use the phrase of the day, mass formation psychosis, where they actually believe that democracy and liberalism are synonymous, that they're the same thing.
There can be no other order.
And this, of course, is not just a mass formation psychosis thing.
This is actually religious belief, right?
You know, there can only be one true religion.
So if there can only be one true order, then anything that arises that's a threat to that, that's outside the Overton window of our order, must therefore be against all of democracy.
tim pool
Take a look at this other story we have from TimCast.com.
About half of both Republicans and Democrats view the other side as enemies that threaten their entire way of life.
jack posobiec
Wow.
tim pool
So maybe it is true.
You know, maybe most Americans, if an election was held today, would vote for Donald Trump over Joe Biden.
But here's the thing.
Those Americans who support Donald Trump don't believe an insurrection happened.
These are people who probably read the news, watch the news, saw what's going on, and they're like, that's ridiculous.
The narrative isn't true.
Because if they truly believed that what Trump did was a military coup, they probably wouldn't support him.
jack posobiec
But they don't because- A military coup without the military or without any guns.
tim pool
And a bunch of unarmed people.
jack posobiec
Most of which were let in through open doors and smiling police.
And Nancy Pelosi, if you're watching, Right.
You know, I think, and I said, I think I said this on air.
tim pool
She does not use the internet.
jack posobiec
Oh, no, Anne.
No, but her little accolades do.
The disparity here is that the people inside the media and inside the Democrat Party and inside the January 6th committee say that every single person that showed up on January 6th was anti-Constitution.
But if you talk to anybody who was in the crowd on January 6, right?
They probably, every single one of them would have said, no, I am for the Constitution.
You're not following the Constitution.
And that's why we're here.
Right?
So in their mind, they are the ones fighting against a coup.
You get it?
ian crossland
Right.
In a way, it's like the easiest solution because neither one of them intend to stage a coup.
They both think the other one's doing what they're doing, or the other one thinks that they're doing what they think the other one's doing.
tim pool
Yeah, but that's objectively wrong.
ian crossland
Yeah, so how do you unwind that?
tim pool
Here's what I think when I see this.
I think this is mostly a product of the incoming generation and polarization from the previous generation.
So, I don't think we're seeing this hyperpolarization just because people are reading social media and becoming polarized.
I think it's that younger people who are more radicalized by the previous generation, or I think a fair way to put it is when you look at the Pew graph, conservatives have barely moved to the right at all, the left has gone far left.
You have corporate America.
and uh you know liberal parents in big cities pushing this heavy indoctrination i mean my whole whole childhood growing up it was just endless leftist you know talking points so these people grow up living in this world which is far left they weren't converted to the far left they have developed in a far left mindset yes so as time goes on it is the new generations that are polarized against each other what i mean to say is Two millennials, one who is far left and one who is conservative, weren't like previously friends who read a news article and then went, I now disagree with you!
Oh no, why are we enemies?
These are people who grew up in entirely different realities and cannot see the other side.
Now, it is true.
It is the rule on the right, the right does read left-wing publications and does follow left-wing individuals, and it is the rule on the left that they don't.
We've gone through the graphs, we've pulled up many left personalities, they don't read right-wing news.
So you have the left that is in a collective, in an echo chamber, and the right which, you know, looks at both.
They're not going to get along.
jack posobiec
I've also said, though, that this this one of the biggest problems on, you know, of conservatives or like, you know, up until now is that conservatives will pathologically deny and reject the notion that pop culture and Hollywood have any effect on society.
You know, they they say, oh, no, those are just movies.
That's not real.
Don't worry about that.
Whereas, as you just said, there's an inundation of left wing talking points out there.
And a lot of that is coming through Hollywood, whether that be TV movies, in some cases, video games now where it's coming in.
And whereas if you're on the right, you're like, oh, well, no, we can just separate that out.
And it's like, no, that's not how it works.
And I think the new right is at least finally trying to get that like software upgrade and understanding.
No, wait, you know, We actually have to do something about this.
But it's amazing because I will tweet something about this and say, hey, I think this TV show or this movie or whatever it is had a bunch of influence in this direction.
And I will get conservatives saying, oh, that's crazy.
That's ridiculous.
You can't talk about this.
But what did Barack Obama do when he was in office?
He would go on late night shows.
He would go on comedy.
He would do all this stuff.
He would appear, you know, in things.
And people would say, and people on the right would just laugh.
And they would attack it and they say it was stupid.
He would go on YouTube and people would attack him.
And meanwhile, on the left, they're like, oh, I like this guy.
This guy's cool.
tim pool
And this is the mistake that the media made with Trump when Trump had his well-done steak with ketchup.
He had a, what was it, like a 30-day dry-aged steak.
Yes.
And he had it well done with ketchup.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And the media mocked him for it, but that made him more relatable to Middle America.
luke rudkowski
Well, just really quickly, this is why I think Barack Obama, after he left office, started to work with Netflix with an exclusive deal. 100%.
And I would even go further than you Jack.
I wouldn't say it's talking points.
I would say it's covert subliminal messaging that of course is put on to people through the forms of entertainment.
It's not entertainment.
It's propaganda and it's it's fomented in a way where it's not.
I don't think it's leftist ideology.
I believe the entire left has been taken over by a corporate establishment that is using them as a conduit to push their agenda to make people weaker to make people Dumber to make people more needy for centralization which
of course is going to be granted and given to them through the multinational corporations.
So I think you know I wouldn't even describe these as leftist ideas but more of corporatist ideas with them really
calling the shots here from my perspective.
tim pool
Is it just fascism?
You know like with big corporations and government colluding with each other?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a new kind of digital fascism.
tim pool
I mean, that's literal fascism.
luke rudkowski
But also now with the latest psychological tricks, they could get in our brain in ways that they never could before, especially with, again, social media, especially with how we interact with them and all the information we give them.
They have data sets.
That dictators would have wished to have that will again help them conquer the general public because we're literally giving them everything about us and when they know everything, they could weaponize that and use it against us.
jack posobiec
So have you guys seen Don't Look Up yet?
Of course.
I thought it was great.
One thing, I really enjoyed it and I enjoyed the social commentary and people were like lighting me up for saying that I liked this because everybody gets skewered in it.
But one thing that I don't think people realized very well is The primary antagonist, like the main villain of the movie, is a tech oligarch, transhumanist, globalist.
luke rudkowski
Slash Bill Gates.
jack posobiec
Yeah, it's like Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and like a Hillary type.
tim pool
It shows a picture of the president hugging Bill Clinton.
jack posobiec
Oh wow.
tim pool
Yeah, and it's irrelevant to the scene.
When we were watching, Luke's like, look, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton.
And it's like, I have a second.
jack posobiec
I didn't even notice that.
I totally didn't notice that.
Yeah, in the middle of the conversation.
tim pool
My kids were running around.
It just jumps to a picture of the president hugging Bill Clinton for no reason.
And I'm like, I get it.
jack posobiec
At the very least.
Right, so this, I think, is this one of the first times that we've seen that a tech oligarch
has been portrayed as the villain in a movie?
tim pool
Kingsman?
jack posobiec
Kingsman, yeah, would be one.
The Circle, I think, would be another one, which nobody has seen, even though it was Tom Hanks and Emma Watson.
They totally memory hauled that one because it was too true.
tim pool
I saw it.
I barely remember it.
jack posobiec
I loved it.
I thought it was fantastic.
But one of the key things in Don't Look Up and that one is that all of what Luke was just talking about.
They have all your data.
And the way this has played out in Don't Look Up, and I thought it was funny.
unidentified
He's like, I can actually predict how you're going to die.
Down to 96.6% and I looked up your algorithm when you left.
The one thing I remember is you'll die alone.
luke rudkowski
And there's also that Amazon... Which I'm not going to spoil it, but actually it was wrong.
jack posobiec
That guy, if you remember the ending, actually, his prediction was wrong.
tim pool
Spoiler.
luke rudkowski
Good.
jack posobiec
I know, a little bit of a spoiler.
luke rudkowski
What was the Amazon series that they canceled season two of because it was too real?
Utopia.
Utopia.
That was another one.
unidentified
Oh, was that another one?
luke rudkowski
Did you see that one?
tim pool
Oh, you have to watch that one.
No, I didn't see it.
It's about a tech billionaire who's worried about overpopulation.
He makes fake meat.
jack posobiec
Wait, wait, and this was on Amazon?
tim pool
It was on Amazon.
luke rudkowski
Utopia is about a tech billionaire.
tim pool
He makes fake meat.
jack posobiec
He's concerned about overpopulation and climate change.
luke rudkowski
I don't think so.
tim pool
They cancelled it.
They cancelled it.
jack posobiec
Alright, hold on.
tim pool
Yeah, Bezos had to.
Utopia is about, attack a billionaire, he makes fake meat, he's concerned about overpopulation
and climate change, so he stages a fake pandemic to rush through a vaccine without proper approval
that secretly is sterilizing people.
jack posobiec
You're still talking about a TV show.
tim pool
I'm not done.
jack posobiec
This isn't Luke's latest.
tim pool
In the show, there is a comic book that reveals what the plan is and what's going on.
And it's the comic book is called Utopia.
And so when they find it, they're looking through it to figure out clues for what's happening in real life, because whoever wrote this, I love Has privy to information.
jack posobiec
So it's like a whistleblower is writing the comic as a way to... A mad scientist that was a part of doing all this.
tim pool
So let me explain to you.
It's a TV show where they find a piece of art and media that explains to them a tech billionaire who's worried about overpopulation, is pushing through a rushed vaccine with a fake pandemic to sterilize people.
Now, now, let's talk about reality.
In the real world, we have a piece of art that claims to say that there's a tech billionaire who's concerned about overpopulation, but as we all know, our tech billionaires are concerned about overpopulation.
They want fake meat.
jack posobiec
Wait, wait, our tech billionaires just care about us.
They just care about us.
tim pool
They're not trying to depopulate the planet.
ian crossland
Put us in the metaverse.
jack posobiec
No.
ian crossland
I've been diving deep into the metaverse this last couple weeks.
It's one thing I've been doing.
I got turned on to this woman, Melanie Swan, by Allison McDowell, thanks Allison, who's very skeptical about blockchain and how it's basically a big tracking mechanism.
This fascist global organization is going to use blockchain to track people.
They want to create what's called Decentralized Autonomous Communicative Service, a DA.
Let's see what this is called.
I think I'm coming through loud.
I hope you guys like this.
Decentralized Autonomous Corporation as a blockchain is a brain.
They want to upload everyone's behaviors, thoughts, and feelings to this blockchain together to create this uber mind and then just track it and do what?
I don't know because a lot of this code is private.
luke rudkowski
Elon Musk is building brain interface chips and they're all talking about the metaverse, which is pretty much online digital heroin from my perspective.
jack posobiec
That's what I think is hilarious.
People will go off about Bill Gates, but then Elon Musk will come out and say, No, I literally want to put a chip in your brain.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
jack posobiec
And then and then nobody says anything.
They're like, no, but he's cool.
luke rudkowski
But Elon also attacked crypto because it was allegedly bad for the environment.
You know, so.
So, again, right.
There's the.
jack posobiec
He went on SNL and attacked it, too.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
So there's a lot of things that the billionaires are up to that I think they have way too much control, way too much power, way too much influence.
And they got there because of government.
And now they're using government for their own personal benefit.
And the billionaires are getting super rich right now.
From one year, their wealth increased, I think it was $319 billion.
Someone needs to correct me if I'm wrong.
One year, the top wealth of nine billionaires increased $319 billion.
jack posobiec
Look, you saw that photo, by the way, of Jeff Bezos down on his yacht.
luke rudkowski
Oh, yeah, getting serviced by the lady with the mask.
jack posobiec
Getting serviced by the lady with the mask.
And he's there, like, glistening in the sun on his super yacht, just like, you know, like the, you know, the... Developing a It will not be a tech utopia.
It will be neo-feudalism.
Metaverse is how they establish Elysium, right?
Because the neo-feudalism and then the Elysium tech aspect comes in because you're distracted.
And look, Palmer Luckey, I love you dude, I think you're a good guy and all, but why did you give Oculus to Mark Zuckerberg, man?
Come on.
He would have done it regardless.
He would have done it regardless, but this, this is where it's going.
And I, by the way, I saw Zuby just had a, uh, just got booked in the Metaverse.
So he's going to be playing a show.
What website?
ian crossland
Did he say what website?
There's a few of them now.
There's Decentraland is one.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
Is it a site or is it a place?
ian crossland
It's multiple places.
jack posobiec
It's like a place in the Metaverse.
tim pool
Metaverse is meaningless.
What people keep saying in the Metaverse, it's like, yo, there's been Second Life.
There've been apps for this forever.
jack posobiec
Sure.
tim pool
And now they're just calling it a metaverse or the metaverse.
ian crossland
They're going to integrate finances in with it.
jack posobiec
Great branding.
tim pool
I got into... Yeah, Mark Zuckerberg's branding.
It's also the phrase used to describe a nightmare dystopia, but sure.
ian crossland
I got into Decentraland.
Bill Ottman, CEO of Minesweeper.
jack posobiec
This is how they do it, man.
This is how they're going to do it.
You're going to be hooked up to this, and Mark Zuckerberg's going to be down at St.
Bart's.
And his life's going to be getting longer and longer, and his yachts are going to be getting bigger and bigger, and Leonardo DiCaprio's islands are going to be increasing, and he's going to be bringing more and more people down there while he talks about climate change, and all this is going to be going on, and you're going to say, oh, did you see what's going on on Metaverse, you know?
tim pool
You're going to be in a pot eating the bugs.
ian crossland
Your eight-year-old is going to be making money on the Metaverse and going to be completely dependent on the system.
It's going to be terrifying, dude.
jack posobiec
Plugged in from birth.
Plugged in from birth.
ian crossland
Little kids in the womb might be playing games with their thoughts.
jack posobiec
The Matrix.
luke rudkowski
Digital heroin.
I think that's more of an accurate depiction.
Because when people are hooked on it, just like they are social media, you see them in the grips of what the algorithms make them, and what they're doing to people, especially young people, is absolutely horrible.
jack posobiec
The polls understand this inherently.
unidentified
You don't need to explain this to us.
tim pool
So in Star Trek, what happens is, you know, Zephram Cochran, he discovers warp technology right as the Vulcans were passing by.
Sure.
jack posobiec
And that's first contact.
tim pool
First contact, right.
Um, in our reality, the Borg was just passing by.
jack posobiec
Uh, well that is, we're in the one where they change then.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
Cause that's actually the plot of first contact where they go back in time and it's the Borg that comes and they make first contact.
And then you see for like, like a glimpse, right?
Where, what the future would look like.
And it's like a Borg world instead of the earth.
tim pool
Yeah, toxic gas, the atmosphere is polluted.
ian crossland
So the humans are just assimilated immediately?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, the entire planet is assimilated.
jack posobiec
No, no, not immediately, it's that it shows you what the 24th century would look like if the Borg had made first contact rather than the Vulcans.
tim pool
So for those that aren't familiar with us nerd stuff, the Borg is a race of, they're people who are assimilated with technology into a hive mind, like digitally, and so they all become mindless drones.
jack posobiec
Basically everything Ian just said.
ian crossland
Kind of like a TAC, Decentralized Autonomous Corporation.
tim pool
So what's going to happen?
unidentified
A.K.A.
ian crossland
Autoblockchain.
tim pool
So, did you see what Alex Jones was saying when he went on that rant?
unidentified
And he was like, AN ALIEN INTELLIGENCE IS TAKING US OVER AND I'M SICK OF IT!
tim pool
And like, he recently was yelling that.
jack posobiec
I mean, he's been yelling that for 20 years.
luke rudkowski
But artificial intelligence could be considered alien, right?
Because it's brand new, it's not on this earth, and he might not be wrong, especially with how fast AI has been developing, and its larger consequences of it creating god-like authority, and what Putin calls the new nuclear weapons that will be far more devastating on humanity, and the country that develops it first will be the ones controlling the world.
So there's a lot to unpack there, but He might not be wrong there, let's be real.
jack posobiec
This is what Yuval Harari, he calls it homo deus, right?
Human gods.
Human gods.
And I think there's a whole metaclip of this where it's Elon Musk on Rogan and they intersperse it with Alex Jones on Rogan and you actually hear that they're saying the same things, right?
They're talking about the exact same things.
Alex just does it in a more bombastic way.
Oh yeah.
Elon does it in that like softer, more mercurial kind of way.
But they're actually describing the exact same dynamics and forces at play.
unidentified
Absolutely.
ian crossland
It's kind of like, um, they say, if you keep using old tools to build the modern system, you're just going to end up with an old system because you're using old tools.
So you use the, we're building the tools that we will use to build the future.
It's, I've been doing a lot of math in the last couple of weeks.
And like the Fibonacci sequence, you take what the past number added to the current number to get the future number.
So past numbers, one, the current number is one.
The next number is going to be two.
jack posobiec
Everyone forgot.
ian crossland
And that's what technology is doing.
jack posobiec
Everyone forgot what Yoda taught them.
ian crossland
We're going to be using this, this technology.
jack posobiec
Everyone forgot what Yoda's most important lesson of all.
We are luminous beings.
We are not this crude matter.
A hundred percent.
ian crossland
I think we're the brains.
Do you ever see the picture of the brainstem connected to the brain with the brainstem and the eyeballs?
Have you ever seen that picture?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
It looks like an alien.
ian crossland
That's what we are.
jack posobiec
That's just your interface, man.
tim pool
In China right now, in China right now, to go anywhere, you need an app.
Yeah.
And there's the viral video out of Israel where the guy needs the green pass.
Do you see this one?
jack posobiec
McDonald's.
And then if you click, you don't have one.
It just resets.
tim pool
Yeah.
It just kicks you out.
jack posobiec
You're just not, you don't exist.
tim pool
It's all necessary for transhumanism.
If we're going to, In order for transhumanism to exist, people have to step above the human experience.
It no longer can be about carnal pleasures, dopamine, family, traditional anything.
The human race has to be looked at like lab rats or chickens in a farm.
Or not even a farm, but like a laboratory to be controlled, to be mapped out.
And that's what these people are doing.
Now they'll probably end up building an artificial intelligence that will start guiding that behavior.
But ultimately, the way I see it is, You have single-celled organisms, and eventually they become multicellular organisms.
Well, single cells go about their business and do their thing, but in the human body, you have highly specialized cells that do basically one thing, but they're cells, right?
I think that's how they view the human race.
Each individual human is just a stupid human going about its business, and if we fuse all the humans together, we can make a multi-organism system.
A higher plane of existence.
I think that is part of what they want to do.
Basically creating a hive mind.
Put everybody in the metaverse, put everybody in the system, have all their brains work as like decentralized computational power, but it's going to require homogenized cultures, homogenized behavior.
So what do they do?
Everybody get your green pass.
Everybody fall in line, and those who don't, well, it's friction in the system, right?
You were mentioning friction.
You make a system where it's extremely difficult to exist outside of it, and eventually, given a few generations, people will not exist outside of it.
Or they will be, but they'll be irrelevant.
jack posobiec
Yeah, there's a very American ideal that, you know, I will die for freedom, I will die for the right to make my own decisions, and I will You know, sacrifice myself on the altar of liberty if need be.
And I think that is sort of the American ethos, right?
But at the same time, just look at the last two years, right?
Humans comply.
By and large, the majority of people will comply.
And as the water increases, right?
The boiling temperature of the water, it increases, it increases, it increases.
And some people will say, Hey, I think this water's getting hot.
Hey, guys, I think these waters are getting... maybe we shouldn't be in this pot anymore, guys.
unidentified
I don't know.
jack posobiec
What do you think?
That guy's crazy.
This water isn't getting hot.
I feel fine, right?
And yet the water's getting hotter and hotter and hotter.
And then eventually you boil.
And meanwhile, everybody who jumped out was called crazy for jumping out in the first place.
And I think that's closer to human nature, and I think that we've seen, by and large, the distribution pattern of human behavior has been that.
Look, when it comes to America, when it comes to liberty, when it comes to the revolution, you know, people say it was like less than a third of the American colonists actually supported the revolution, actually went along with all this stuff.
tim pool
A little bit more?
I did a bit of research.
jack posobiec
I mean, it's hard to, yeah.
luke rudkowski
But just really quick before we jump into that point, but there's also a Florida man that don't give a damn, that bathes in it and then disposes alcohol in it.
That's not true.
tim pool
That's not true.
jack posobiec
Excuse me.
I was not, I'm not, I was not bringing Florida man into this.
There is no need.
Much love for Florida man.
No need to bring Florida man into this.
tim pool
Do you know why, do you know why the myth of Florida man is based on sunshine laws?
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And they have, we all know about that, but, but there is.
jack posobiec
Wait, wait, wait, break, break, break that down because that doesn't get said enough.
unidentified
Yeah, it does.
tim pool
There's records release laws.
Like, if you commit a crime in Florida, the public has a right to know.
A lot of states don't do that.
So you'll constantly hear stories about Florida man doing something.
Yeah, it's just because they release the information.
jack posobiec
It's because they release the information other states don't.
lydia smith
We're all like that.
luke rudkowski
If you're bored, just look up Florida man on a particular date and you won't be surprised.
jack posobiec
That being said, if you go to Western Florida, there's Florida man down there.
tim pool
I did a lot of research into how many people supported the revolution, and there's a famous letter where, I think it might have been Ben Franklin, wrote, a third support it, a third don't care, a third oppose it, but that's not true.
That was just like a talking point, it was just rhetoric.
Okay.
The best I could find was that it was like, if I was going to give it a number, because I don't think they gave a number, they said a plurality, but not a majority, around 30 to 40, like 38 to 40 percent supported independence.
and then it was like 20-something percent that opposed it and then the next group was
completely neutral. But it was, I don't think it's as cut and dry that most people didn't care.
I think that is true. So I think my math might be wrong, but it was like, it was a mixed,
The best I could find, and it's not easy, was that a large portion, if not the majority, like the plurality, wanted independence, and the next biggest group was, leave me alone, I don't care, I want to have nothing to do with this.
Then you had opposites, you had loyalists, you had the Tories, or whatever they were.
jack posobiec
Right, and that's why Canada exists, by the way.
tim pool
Yeah, Quebec said no.
Yeah.
That was originally going to be the 14th colony.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
So there were, you know, the Canadian colonies were still, there was no separation like there is now.
It was just the North American colonies.
But a lot of the Tories moved up to Canada and said, no, we're going to fortify this area.
This was Benedict Arnold's original mission, by the way, going through the Great Lakes to try to take those Tory colonies.
Didn't go so well.
He gets mad that he says he wasn't supported by Washington etc as he flips. That's the whole story Canadians
Oh look for but there actually that is I if you go into this this was the American invasion of Canada
tim pool
Yeah, no, we did invade we did didn't we we the United States tried taking Montreal burnt and burned Toronto
jack posobiec
Well, what is 1812 at the time it was no no, this is well Yeah
That that's at that and then so at the time was called York So I was gonna say oh and then so the burning of the White
House was kind of seen as like a response to the Burning of York. Let's talk about Lottie's Estos from the
tim pool
post-millennial half a million sign up on getter Well after Joe Rogan joins platform with a simple tweet to
see Joe Rogan destroyed big tech and tore apart the chains of political discrimination, holding back millions of patriots.
Okay, that might be a little bit over the top, but as we are talking about the power of Silicon Valley and the metaverse and these tech billionaires, any opposition to this, be it, you know, Getter or Gab or whatever, is a good thing.
The Postmillennial reports more than half a million people have joined Getter, a pro-free speech social media alternative.
The surge in popularity was sparked by Joe Rogan.
I don't think that's true necessarily.
They say it was sparked by Joe Rogan joining the platform.
I think it was Dr. Robert Malone and Marjorie Taylor Greene being banned.
jack posobiec
I think it was a snowball.
tim pool
Well, then Malone goes on the Joe Rogan podcast and says, I'm on Getter.
I signed up.
I'm pretty sure I signed up.
I saw some people signing up.
jack posobiec
Oh, Tim doesn't want to get written out of the story.
That's what it is.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I was not the first person.
I saw other people saying they were getting on Getter.
jack posobiec
No, I know because you sent me a message that morning before Joe Rogan said anything.
I'll back you up on that.
tim pool
You did.
I said, do you know the guys at Getter?
It's not like I need to gain control of the account.
jack posobiec
Well, because what they do is they, and a lot of minds did this too, where they would take, like if someone's got a big account somewhere else, they would go and then reserve the same name for them so that someone can't come out and camp on your profile name.
Exactly.
tim pool
So I saw other people posting they were going to Getter.
I've done this before, but typically I'm like, you know, when Getter came out, I was like, I'm not going to sign up for another one of these things, man.
I got too many already.
But then after listening to Joe Rogan's podcast, when I heard Dr. Malone say he was going to be there, I was like, I'll claim my account, I'll get on there, because if people are going to be using it, I want to hear what they have to say if they're getting banned.
And then Marjorie Taylor Greene is on there, of course.
Carl Benjamin is on there.
Then I saw Joe Rogan sign up, and then I was like, oh, get it!
And then everybody after that, once Joe Rogan was like, but it was his podcast that did it.
When I heard his podcast and Malone said he was on it, that's when I was like, I'm going to look this up.
I'm going to see what's up.
So I think that is what drove, it wasn't Joe Rogan joining.
It was Joe Rogan talking.
jack posobiec
We were saying, we were saying it was get or miss.
I mean, I had better engagement and, and people know that, look, you know, I look, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs.
I'm on Twitter a little bit though.
But I had better engagement on Getter that day.
Actually, it's still going on even till today.
I've been having better engagement on Getter than I've been having on Twitter.
And that's just because there's more people out there.
And so there's a lot of people in the mainstream media who don't understand what engagement is.
And they don't understand how social media works.
And I saw some people tweeting out like, Oh, well, Getter doesn't have as many users as Twitter, so you're diluting your brand, et cetera, et cetera, by going on these things.
I'm like, no, you don't get how this works.
You totally don't get how this works.
tim pool
When the New York Times gets like three retweets?
jack posobiec
Yeah, they go, oh my gosh, it's flooded!
Their notifications are flooded!
tim pool
It's crazy when you look at mainstream celebrities and they get no interactions.
There are a few people who work for these big media companies that I know, and I'm like, yo, their accounts are so fake.
They get followers because they're put on what's called... I can always tell, dude.
Suggested user lists.
jack posobiec
I can always tell.
tim pool
When people sign up for Twitter, they're like, follow this person.
They go, okay.
And then no one cares what the person has to say.
jack posobiec
Well, this is the Rubin Ratio.
Didn't Rubin come up with that?
What is it?
So it was the Rubin Ratio where it's the amount of followers you have versus the amount of engagement you get.
tim pool
Ah, I've not heard that.
jack posobiec
Yeah, so if you have a, so all, and if you look at like, um, like an Anderson Cooper, right?
Like he has a really bad Rubin ratio.
Cause he'll have like 3 million followers.
tim pool
And no one engages.
jack posobiec
And get like 20 retweets.
Yeah.
tim pool
And then for me, I make some ish post about random garbage and get like a thousand retweets.
jack posobiec
Exactly.
tim pool
And then people in media believe it's real.
And then everyone who retweets it's in on the joke.
I really love that.
The funny thing is, so many, uh, I said, LOL Joe Biden is so dumb, haha got him or something.
And then MEAWW runs the story, like, Tim Pool was slammed.
I'm like, it was a, like, isn't it obvious these people yet?
Like that my tweets are garbled nonsense?
jack posobiec
It's kind of this weird dynamic where they've decided to turn, so you understand, like, if you're not someone who's part of the program, right?
If you're, if you're not on team, just look up, right?
You're a zoo animal, right?
You're an exhibit to them.
I remember there was one time where Cernovich and I were just randomly joking around about how ugly cargo shorts are.
And we got written up!
The right wing has launched an attack campaign on cargo shorts.
How dare they?
And like, it's like this thought piece and they were trying to explain how like right wing ideology led to anti- and I'm like, guys, it was like, it's just, we're just messing around.
luke rudkowski
Hey, there's nothing wrong with cargo shorts.
jack posobiec
Is everything wrong?
tim pool
Real quick, I want to say something important.
Two things.
jack posobiec
Completely disagree.
tim pool
Technically three things.
Twitter does not drive engagement.
So this is, this was true back when I worked at Vice and Fusion.
They don't like, I think, I'm not sure if they did, but I'm pretty sure Fusion- We'll drive engagement on Twitter.
On Twitter.
But yeah, Fusion was like, we don't care for a Twitter button because nobody clicks links on Twitter to go out.
jack posobiec
Nope.
tim pool
So there's not, but here's the important thing on Getter.
Check this out.
Daily Mail has signed up for an account.
This is big.
They got 384,000 followers.
I don't know how many are actual followers on Getter because they do this thing where they just say you have followers on Twitter for some reason.
jack posobiec
They migrate your followers over.
Yeah.
tim pool
And then people claim their accounts or something.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
And I wish they would.
I wish they would.
It's clever because it's for a startup, but I wish they would at least, at least if you're
as the user, you could see the differentiation that you could see, hey, this is real.
tim pool
There's here's what's important though.
In their latest posts from January from yesterday, AOC's ex communications director says Biden
is old as ish and deeply unpopular.
It's got one hundred and sixty four reposts like retweets effectively for 50 likes.
Thirty six replies.
That is really good engagement.
The New York Times doesn't even get that engagement on Twitter.
jack posobiec
Getter engagement's real.
tim pool
It's legit.
It's completely real.
And that's what's important.
Are you engaging with people?
But more importantly, They're actually getting play they probably wouldn't get on Twitter.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Getter's got better engagement.
jack posobiec
And I've seen some people asking me about this.
They say, they say, why are there so many Chinese accounts on Getter?
And this has come up a lot.
And that's one thing where, you know, I realized, cause I've been on Getter for a little bit, that people don't realize this, that Getter was the first community that came to it was the Chinese whistleblower community.
And these guys, I went out and spoke at an event they held actually on the 4th of July at the World Trade Center.
And my wife and I got up and we both gave a speech in Mandarin to them.
It's this massive organization.
It's predominantly overseas Chinese that have fled the regime, as well as some that are inside China still, that are now able to use Getter and use other places to communicate.
And people don't realize how many of them there are.
So I think something like, I was watching an interview with Jason Miller and he actually admitted that like, Only 30-some percent of Getter's user base is US, and the rest is overseas.
And Twitter's, I think, is even less than that.
Twitter's like 15% US.
luke rudkowski
I just wanted to ask you, what makes you trust Getter, and are there any kind of guarantees that they won't become the next Twitter and start censoring people?
Because there's already some rumors that people are being censored and de-platformed from there.
Are there any kind of guarantees that you're reassured by when it comes to Getter?
Because I signed up because I just saw everyone doing it, but I'm, of course, skeptical.
jack posobiec
I mean, I don't think there's any guarantees on anything in life.
Was it death and taxes?
Right?
But, you know, I call it, and I actually, I think I caught yesterday when you were talking about this, it's your terms of service, right?
Are you being held?
Are you are you upholding your terms of service?
Or are you playing games with some kind of like amorphous, vague, ambiguous community guidelines that nobody can really make any sense of?
So give me your terms of service.
Okay, I'll read this.
I'll say I can say this, I can't say that, etc.
Same way YouTube has.
Terms of service, right?
They have certain very clearly delineated things that you can and can't say.
Okay, fine.
This is your playground.
I'm going to play by your rules.
But at the same time, if you're just arbitrarily censoring people, then that's what I'm going to call out.
luke rudkowski
We read the terms and services.
They seemed very legalese and very vague from our perspective.
I mean, that's how I saw it.
Is there anything particular in there that you saw that's different than the other platforms?
jack posobiec
Not specifically, no.
luke rudkowski
Okay.
ian crossland
I'm looking at the terms right now.
tim pool
You may not post... I think a lot of that stuff though... We read the Getter terms the other day.
ian crossland
They have like... Profane.
Can't post profane stuff on Getter.
tim pool
The hate speech is banned.
ian crossland
Define profane.
tim pool
Hate speech is outright banned.
ian crossland
Is it proprietary?
tim pool
Explicitly.
ian crossland
Is it proprietary code?
Is it open source code or proprietary code?
I can't find it open source.
luke rudkowski
I think it's... Now this is important.
Is it criminally defined hate speech?
It's up to the admins.
tim pool
There's no such thing as criminally defined hate speech.
luke rudkowski
You know what I mean?
jack posobiec
There is another code.
luke rudkowski
Like, who's going to be the one?
That's what I mean.
Are they going to be implementing the laws from Germany?
Or is there going to be someone else who's going to be making those decisions on what is hate speech and what is not?
And who's going to be making those decisions?
And what oversight will there be?
jack posobiec
With Rumble, though, this is the issue.
Because Rumble is Canadian, and in Canada, they do have hate speech laws.
ian crossland
It comes down to the state that the company is incorporated in.
You've got to follow those state laws if you're going to go buy it.
luke rudkowski
And Getter is incorporated?
tim pool
I don't know.
jack posobiec
But then Rumble is moving to Florida, right?
They're moving there now.
My question is, will their move to Florida then change their terms of service?
ian crossland
It'll change how they define what's legal.
jack posobiec
In a sense, even though they're still operating in Canada.
tim pool
I think the terms are written so they can stay on the Play Store and the App Store.
jack posobiec
Well, yeah, obviously.
ian crossland
You don't have to enforce them ever.
That's true.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
But they check that stuff.
tim pool
Well, they make excuses.
I mean, Twitter's loaded with adult content and they don't care about that.
jack posobiec
Hasn't that always been part of Twitter, though?
tim pool
No, I'm pretty sure it's not allowed.
It's quote-unquote not allowed, but they allow it.
ian crossland
Like every social network, they can ban you at any time for any reason.
jack posobiec
When Dorsey was CEO, he was always very public that they allowed porn.
tim pool
I don't know if that's true.
You wanna pull that up, see if it's Twitter?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think Twitter did use porn, I'm pretty sure.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it's not allowed.
jack posobiec
I think Twitter has always said that we allow this.
tim pool
Because the App Store doesn't allow that.
jack posobiec
Really?
tim pool
The App Store will ban you if you allow adult content.
jack posobiec
And yet another, and this goes back to Luke's theory of the tech overlords have one set of rules to themselves.
ian crossland
No, no, if you type Twitter porn into search, there's a lot of Twitter porn accounts coming up.
Okay, well that's not what we're looking for.
luke rudkowski
Stay focused, Leo.
Stay focused, okay?
ian crossland
We got a job to do here.
Is porn on Twitter?
Was that the question?
tim pool
Is it banned on Twitter?
jack posobiec
I think we all generally agree that it is on Twitter.
lydia smith
Yes, it is in fact on Twitter.
jack posobiec
The question is, is it against... Is it allowed or is it against the terms?
Is it against the terms of service?
ian crossland
Not a consensual nudity policy.
jack posobiec
Well that's like revenge porn.
ian crossland
So consensual nudity they're okay with?
Why doesn't Twitter block porn?
jack posobiec
I think the idea was they were going to go to Twitter terms of service.
It will state under this that it differentiates between consensually produced adult content.
tim pool
You may not post media that is excessively gory or share violent or adult content within live video or in profile or header images.
Media depicting sexual violence and or assault is also not permitted.
So does that mean porn is banned?
jack posobiec
It doesn't sound like it.
No, it's just saying that it can't be in your profile or your header.
lydia smith
Right, but it can be in your actual feed.
tim pool
No, it doesn't even say anything about that.
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
You can't advert.
It does not actually.
jack posobiec
Look up the revenge porn policy because.
tim pool
Well, that's obvious.
jack posobiec
No, but I believe it's mentioned in there.
tim pool
That was that was it.
Yeah.
jack posobiec
What is not a violation of the policy?
Look.
tim pool
Oh, I see.
unidentified
I see.
jack posobiec
Pornography and other forms of consensually produced content are allowed on Twitter.
tim pool
They are allowed on Twitter.
All right.
Well, then how are they allowed in the App Store?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's a good question.
And that's something that we battle with at Minds in the early days.
Like, how do you... They just know people.
jack posobiec
It's like you get in here in the club.
Because they're the oligarchs.
They're in the club, man.
luke rudkowski
The friends of the friends.
jack posobiec
You are not.
tim pool
Interesting.
Interesting.
ian crossland
Ultimately, I think all these sites should be allowed to have whatever terms they want.
Expect to get banned on any of them if it's not your platform.
That's one way to go about it.
I don't trust any of this stuff.
Especially if the code's private.
tim pool
Let's talk about some cultural issue here.
And it's going to be a hard sell.
We wet the story from The Independent.
I think it's important to talk about YouTuber Ethan Klein calls Joe Rogan a piece of ish for vaccine misinformation.
Rogan's fan hit back after Klein calls out how podcaster's logic makes no sense.
jack posobiec
I appreciate you bringing back ish, by the way.
tim pool
Well, Luke did, actually.
jack posobiec
Oh, Luke did.
luke rudkowski
One of my favorite words.
I can't say much here.
jack posobiec
It's deserved.
It's deserved.
luke rudkowski
My vocabulary has been cut and like 25% of it has been cut.
tim pool
So, Ethan Klein, a host of H3 Podcast, hit out at podcaster Joe Rogan, saying, Joe Rogan, who lives on elk meat, egg yolk, and human growth hormone with lungs full of tar, thinks he's healthier than everyone.
This MF-er is such a B, that when he got COVID, he threw the kitchen sink at it.
If you're so healthy, just write it out like you say a man should.
Dude has caused so much vaccine hesitancy and misinformation, and he doesn't even have the balls to stand by the ish he preaches.
Now he's on his show talking about how fat people should just die of COVID due to such an effing piece of ass.
I mean, I have a legitimate question.
It's not a dig.
Is Ethan Klein saying this because he's an unhealthy, overweight individual?
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
And so like, it was like when Joe Rogan was talking about being overweight and unhealthy was bad for you.
I think people, yeah, people take it personally.
jack posobiec
So if you understand, if you understand, um, uh, socio sexual hierarchy, right, this is
typical gamma male rage against an alpha male, right?
This is the basic idea of, you know, someone who's kind of at the bottom of the food chain
in, in terms of preference, uh, lashing out at someone who is higher up on the food chain
from them.
You see this a lot With youtubers, but not just youtubers in general.
That's just they're more ubiquitous these days You see it everywhere.
You see it in real life.
You see it in you know office hierarchy see it in high schools colleges.
It's a political leadership That's when it's scary to an extent.
Well political leadership is a little bit different though because political leadership isn't Is not conducted because just because of someone's, you know, health and prowess and accomplishment, right?
There's all these like Byzantine rules and ways.
I mean, look at, you know, we've got like the Peter principal presidency right now.
Joe Biden was not picked because he's our most competent leader, right?
That's not exactly how we got there.
So for Ethan Klein to lash out, it's totally in line.
If you understand socio-sexual hierarchy.
That being said, my question is, He says lungs full of tar.
Is Joe Rogan a smoker?
I didn't... I don't think so.
ian crossland
Cigars?
Puffs on cigars?
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
I'm pretty sure he does smoke cigars.
jack posobiec
But does he inhale?
unidentified
I don't know.
luke rudkowski
You're not supposed to inhale cigars.
jack posobiec
So how would your lungs be filled with tar then?
luke rudkowski
But we should also point out that this is some of the stupidest advice given out by Ethan Klein that absolutely makes no sense.
You're telling Joe Rogan not to take medicine that a doctor is telling him to take?
tim pool
This is the paradox of what he said.
Ethan Klein is not a medical doctor.
No one here is a medical doctor.
We all have our opinions.
jack posobiec
Luke, is Bill Gates a medical doctor?
tim pool
But Ethan Klein, to be like, Joe Rogan shouldn't give medical advice.
You should not listen to him, you should listen to them.
It's like, bro, you shouldn't be giving medical advice either.
unidentified
Yeah, he should be hit by YouTube.
jack posobiec
Look up what the medical background of the CEO of Pfizer is.
ian crossland
What is it?
lydia smith
Veterinarian.
jack posobiec
Oh, he's a veterinarian.
luke rudkowski
And a salesman.
A very good one.
unidentified
Joe is...
tim pool
He's a healthy guy.
He looks great.
ian crossland
I saw an Instagram video of him doing a front kick a couple days ago.
He looks like he was 42 years old.
tim pool
He exercises all the time.
You can certainly talk about your opinions on diet and whether or not eating so much red meat or whatever is good or bad.
For Ethan Klein to paradoxically- It's good, by the way.
It's actually a bit ironic, I suppose, of him to be like Joe Rogan's an idiot for saying these things when he's quite literally a podcaster saying the exact same things in the other direction.
It's the same problem.
Like, you should not be- You know what, though?
A lot of people have pointed out the goal of what he said was to generate press and it worked.
Here we are talking about him.
jack posobiec
Obviously.
tim pool
The media's writing about him.
You know, congratulations.
jack posobiec
Explain to me what's wrong exactly with elk meat, egg yolks, and HGH.
Okay, I don't know.
tim pool
Oh, I don't know.
jack posobiec
How is he using that as an insult?
He like wraps two nascent ones in with a more controversial one and it's supposedly... Again, it's like, bro, you're on the side of GMOs.
You would be on the side of the Sackler family early on in the OxyContin debate when it comes to this.
How dare you be against the Sacklers!
tim pool
I don't think he tweeted for attention.
I think it's like, people tweet because people tweet.
jack posobiec
It's Gamma Male Rage, dude.
I'm telling you, 100%.
He was not thinking about any of that stuff.
tim pool
He's an unhealthy guy who clearly does not eat right or exercise.
Joe said that's a huge comorbidity, and Ethan got upset about it and said, who are you to criticize me when, you know, you won't take the vaccine or whatever?
jack posobiec
Explain to me the pathology, right?
And I've still been trying to actually find this one, and if anyone's in the chat who has this, I've been, because I always try to examine the various, like there's, you know, Dr. Mullen talked about mass formation psychoses, but there's also like narrow formation psychoses.
There's all these different little bands of pathologies around in our society today, in this post-industrial society that we have.
And so the, the interesting one that I found is like, show me a guy who looks like Ethan Klein, who's like triple vaxxed, you know, gigavaxxer, who's eaten Uber Eats and DoorDash all the time.
and yet will scream their head off about you being unvaxed as a threat to their health.
What is the pathology there of someone who clearly has not done, taken one step to change
their personal behavior but will demand that you change yours? The CDC has said around 30%
tim pool
of COVID hospitalizations are in the obese. Yes.
CNN just came out with a report, this is what Rogan was commenting on, that obesity is a huge contributing factor to hospitalizations and even death.
I don't understand why Ethan should be mad about that.
He's saying, now he's on a show talking about how fat people should just die of COVID.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Joe Rogan didn't say that.
jack posobiec
If Joe Rogan said that, that clip would be ur-aware.
tim pool
Right, right.
Joe probably was like, you gotta get healthy, man.
You know, start eating better.
jack posobiec
Hey, if we want to talk about national exercise, you know, mandatory exercise, 10 minutes a day.
tim pool
Mandatory morning calisthenics.
jack posobiec
Mandatory calisthenics.
All right, let's go.
Let's go.
ian crossland
I see Luke smiling.
luke rudkowski
Let's do it.
I wouldn't do it just because the government made me do it.
Even though I'm exercising right now, that's what I'm thinking about right now.
jack posobiec
Luke is like, Poland does not comply!
luke rudkowski
Never.
ian crossland
I think that Ethan wants in on the conversation.
I feel like he missed the boat into the intellectual dark web, because he's a smart enough guy, but his joking kind of idiocy persona thing is keeping him out of the club, and he's angry about it.
Like, dude, you gotta be serious if you want to be part of the conversation.
jack posobiec
I don't even know if the IDW is a thing for people to, like, attack, but it hasn't actually been a thing for years.
ian crossland
Yeah, just the idea of like a smart, a group of really intelligent podcasting people that are communicating and have kind of a community.
Ethan kind of, I think he wants in on that.
jack posobiec
However, speaking of which, I believe the both Weinstein brothers signed up for Getter.
tim pool
Oh, did they?
jack posobiec
I believe, yeah, both.
tim pool
The big story would be Daily Mail when, when, when services.
Start signing up.
It's no longer just people high-fiving each other.
You can actually use the service to get your news.
jack posobiec
Because they've realized, though, that from a corporate perspective that, hey, we can make money off of this.
ian crossland
All right.
jack posobiec
And that's as simple as that.
And once you've crossed that bridge, now you're the dick.
tim pool
We got to get our crew to set up that account, so we'll hit up the guys.
We normally don't announce guests in advance, so I won't give any specific dates, but we're going to have the getter guys on the show.
jack posobiec
Nice.
tim pool
Or getter guy.
Yeah, we don't have a specific date.
jack posobiec
Keep your questions ready for those guys, man.
ian crossland
In the meantime, bring the heat.
Start working on advertising.
jack posobiec
I don't work for those guys or anything, I just like it.
tim pool
I think he had a lot of traffic there with your experience with mine.
jack posobiec
Yeah, just nail him.
ian crossland
If you can start ringing in an advertising program and get these people paid, man, this
thing's going to take off.
But I want you to open source your code and then we'll get rid of it.
tim pool
That's the big the big move is is I think if we start putting all the articles we write
at Timcast dot com on getter, then that's going to be huge for us.
We're going to see way more traction because people are going to be using it, but it gives you a reason to be on Getter.
jack posobiec
And then you can track, you know, you can compare and contrast.
tim pool
I think engagement will be massive.
jack posobiec
I'm telling you, I've seen it.
When I post to Twitter, et cetera, my various platforms, Getter is huge.
luke rudkowski
But if they're able to do that, but also implement transparency and accountability for a lot of their decisions, That would put them over the top because people will now know that there is some kind of accountability, some kind of responsibility on the individuals and you will clearly know what you can and cannot say.
Big tech now kind of works in this mysterious way where they let other people like Ethan Klein give medical advice and other people like congressmen and medical doctors and key innovators of the mRNA vaccine technology be censored on that platform for what?
jack posobiec
I think this is wrong somewhat, Zap.
tim pool
Dr. Malone.
jack posobiec
That's cool, though.
tim pool
PhD scientist Robert Malone banned from Twitter.
Ethan Klein, dude on YouTube, not.
No, no, and I'll even go this far to say Tim Pool, dude on YouTube, not.
I post so much random crackpot insanity on Twitter, and I'm like, I don't even know how I still have an account, but they ban scientists and sitting members of Congress?
luke rudkowski
That's insane.
And again, what Ethan Klein is criticizing here is a cocktail that, according to Aaron Rodgers, who also came out and said that he reads Ayn Rand today, by the way, just another shout out here.
But most importantly, what I wanted to mention here, that cocktail... We can find some better literature.
Jack, don't get me started here.
Most importantly, what Aaron Rodgers also said is that NFL teams are secretly using the Joe Rogan kitchen sink cocktail.
So this is something that Ethan Klein is criticizing that, of course, has helped a lot of people.
It helped Dana White.
It helped Aaron Rodgers.
It helps a lot of professional football players, according to Aaron Rodgers, within the NFL.
So why are you criticizing this?
How is this your attack point here?
tim pool
I don't care about Aaron Rodgers' opinion.
I guess you get the jersey behind him.
I don't care about the NFL's opinion.
I care about the fact that they were prescribed something from a doctor.
So when the memes go out and they say, like, oh, my doctor doesn't know anything about this, my response is always, dude, if you hired a carpenter who couldn't tell you what a tool was or what kind of wood you were using, you wouldn't hire that person.
It's crazy to me.
That the position of, you mentioned this earlier, Ethan Klein is Rogan should not have listened to his doctor.
That's insane.
No, you should listen to a trusted medical professional.
You get second opinion.
But what is the response?
Joe should have been like, Ethan Klein is right.
Doc, I'm not going to listen to you.
I'm going to listen to Ethan Klein.
jack posobiec
Imagine, imagine Joe Rogan walking up to his, anybody walking up to their doctor with Ethan Klein's tweet printed out and saying, I'm sorry, sir, but Ethan Klein, this paragon of health virtue has told me.
tim pool
And Don Lemon!
jack posobiec
And Don Lemon, right?
I actually, did I ever tell you the story when I met Don Lemon?
unidentified
No.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
jack posobiec
So I was at, when I was still at One America News, we bought a table at the White House Correspondents Association.
I believe it was 2018.
Yeah.
It was right after I started.
So I'm there.
This was the one where they made fun of Sarah Sanders for her, her eye shadow.
Do you remember that?
And that became a whole thing.
And she was like on stage.
They had this like horrible comedian.
So in between, Kathy Griffin was there.
I was sitting next to the right and the table right next to me, by the way, was David Hogg.
Funny enough.
So in our chairs, we're like almost like directly next to each other.
It's funny.
And he's kind of quiet.
And so in between the different, you know, speeches, everybody would run to the bathroom.
And so, you know, all the dudes and you're all in tuxedos and you're waiting in line
at the men's room.
But like everybody's like kind of like, uh, you know, like, like you recognize everybody
in line, even if you don't know them kind of situation.
And then all of a sudden Don Lemon just walks up and he goes, excuse me, excuse me, excuse
me.
I'm done loving and just pushes his way dead serious ahead of everybody who's in line.
Every correspondent, excuse me, excuse me.
I'm done.
Let me excuse me.
Actually saying that it's you.
I'm done.
And then just walks right in front of the whole line.
And he wasn't part of the show or anything.
tim pool
He should have turned and took his hand and said, Oh, I'm Jack.
jack posobiec
Nice to meet you.
I'm Jack Sobic.
Great to meet you, man.
ian crossland
Give him a hug.
tim pool
Like, yeah, a little too tight.
jack posobiec
So what are you doing?
tim pool
And it was like, you're introducing yourself.
jack posobiec
It was like, and I mean, just head, not even making eye contact with anybody.
Just like, I'm ahead and you all know I'm ahead.
tim pool
And people let him cut?
jack posobiec
Every single person.
ian crossland
Let's make a pact that none of us ever become like that, you guys.
jack posobiec
And it wasn't like he was like a host or part of the show or anything like that.
tim pool
I say this all the time to people, if you are in line anywhere and cut people, they will do nothing.
People do not want confrontation.
It's always been the craziest thing to me that people wait in lines.
ian crossland
I'm kind of the guy that'll say something, because you're disconcerting all these people behind me.
luke rudkowski
I say something, I say something.
jack posobiec
In the United States.
tim pool
When I was in Russia, there was no line.
jack posobiec
In Russia, the line is your elbow.
I was at the airport in Moscow when I was traveling.
I'm a mad dash and it's like a royal rumble when you're trying to get in those little old ladies when you're trying
to Get on the subway if I'm telling you they've got low center
of gravity and I'm doing they would come They're thick and they would take it in there. Yeah, they
tim pool
would take their bags is BAM. I was dead serious That's the airport in Moscow when I was traveling
I was going from UK to Moscow to Ukraine Mm-hmm
and in the West when they were like now Barney in group one group one walks over and they get in now Barney in group
two and then yeah, two gets up in In Russia, they were like, now boarding group one, and every single person rushed full speed.
It was a mass of people, shoulder to shoulder, pushing each other out of the way, and I was like, all right, here we go!
And then I just, I'm used to being in these big crowds.
jack posobiec
And if you don't do that, by the way, you're not getting on the plane.
tim pool
That's right.
Or you're getting on last, you're not getting over in space.
jack posobiec
Or you might, yeah, you might get on last.
tim pool
You won't get overhead space.
jack posobiec
And so I was like, all right, if this is the game we're playing, and I just shoved through everybody and then boarded, like right away, I was like, okay, yeah, people don't understand that the whole concept of like waiting in line and waiting your turn, that is totally a Western thing.
And it's a very American thing outside of the country does it do not exist.
tim pool
Speaking of Western things, we have this story that Jack mentioned to us earlier that's huge.
jack posobiec
My hometown, my hometown.
tim pool
The Eastern District of Pennsylvania.
Third former GlaxoSmithKline scientist pleads guilty to stealing trade secrets to benefit Chinese pharma company.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa.
tim pool
Jack, what's going on?
jack posobiec
You've got a situation here, so GlaxoSmithKline, which has a massive facility in southeastern Pennsylvania throughout Upper Marion, this is King of Prussia area, people don't, or Valley Forge, people I'm sure know Valley Forge, as well as Malvern, Pennsylvania, one of the richer areas of all of Pennsylvania.
as a bunch of facilities down there. There were Chinese scientists who were basically working for this company,
while also some of them working some of them subcontracting
contracting with GSK, which is a British pharma company, by the
way, that's that has facilities in the United States, were essentially for years stealing secrets, proprietary
research from GlaxoSmithKline, the research that that upper
millerian facility for Glaxo is a research and development center for them. They were stealing proprietary secrets,
sending it back to China and believe it or not, believe it or not, and let the theorizing fly because in 2015, the
specific thing that they were stealing secrets on was monoclonal antibodies.
This is coming directly from, and we're just reading the DOJ press release on this.
tim pool
Do they mention that in the press release?
Monoclonals?
jack posobiec
That's where I got it from.
That's the only thing I've seen on it so far.
tim pool
Really?
jack posobiec
It's like, yeah, a couple paragraphs down.
ian crossland
I'm looking it up.
Do you know when they were invented?
tim pool
Look at that.
Look at that.
In January 2015, Lucy Shi sent Yan Mei, is that how you pronounce it?
A GSK document which contained confidential and trade secret data and information.
The document provided a summary of GSK research into monoclonal antibodies at that time.
In the body of the email, Lucy Shi wrote, You need to understand it very well.
It will help you in your future business.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Reno Pharma.
ian crossland
They're powerful.
I'll put that out there.
tim pool
Something sinister afoot.
ian crossland
Apparently they've been around since 1975.
Doing a little research on the monoclonal antibody treatment process.
tim pool
Monoclonal antibodies have been around for a long time.
There's a bunch of different kinds they use for a bunch of different things.
ian crossland
It's really a fascinating process.
I think that they start to generate some sort of cells in the mouse and then they take those out and put them inside of a guinea pig and then that's where they produce the antibodies.
luke rudkowski
Isn't it related to stem cells?
ian crossland
I don't know much more about it.
I was listening to Peter McCullough talking about it on Rogan's podcast.
Fascinating stuff.
Go watch it if you haven't seen it yet.
luke rudkowski
And that treatment now is also being denied to a lot of people because of the way that they were born, especially in places like New York, where the governor has ruled that if you're born a particular way, you can't even get some of these therapies.
jack posobiec
It has to be equitable.
Equitable distribution.
luke rudkowski
Which is absolutely crazy that we have a health policy run like this.
The United States is already very dependent on China for a lot of our medical equipment for a lot of our drugs that are imported here and the fact that China is still gaming the market this way.
China has also tried to effectively take the tests that a lot of people take through COVID so they could also DNA harvest According to the FBI, the general public of the United States, so they could game the big pharma market.
I think China sees big pharma as a big threat, as a big institution, and they're trying to counter and become them in many instances.
I think this is an example of one of those, but there's many instances where they do this.
jack posobiec
So, to break that down, right, and GSK, by the way, also has huge facilities right outside of Shanghai.
I've been there.
When I was with American Chamber and I was working with international business in Shanghai.
So what they, but the difference is the RN.
So you know how, like, what does it say on the back of like an Apple or an Apple iPhone?
It says, you know, design California, right?
Usually says that even though of course, California is in the United States, but that's another story.
I should say design in the USA, but we know why they don't do that.
So the R&D is typically done in the United States or somewhere in the West.
But the precursors and the actual manufacturing, that's what's being done in China now.
So the Chinese government, the CCP, understands that as long as you cut the proprietary information out, you're only giving us the stuff that's down the chain.
We don't understand how you put it all together.
We don't understand the research side of it.
And so the game for these companies is to keep, you know, it's it's it's kind of like, you know, KFC keeps their, you know, their recipe a secret.
So you can tell what the ingredients are, but you don't know it all exactly the way it's done.
And so the idea is for China, if they can then go and steal all the way you put it together the same way you were just talking about the source code, you get the source code.
Now you can cut them out.
Now you can do it yourself.
ian crossland
So you think the Chinese spies, the spy ring, was stealing the source code of how to produce the antibodies out of Philadelphia?
That's 100%.
jack posobiec
Okay.
tim pool
I think Jack is saying that you're a Chinese spy, Ian, because you're constantly trying to free the code.
ian crossland
Quit saying that, by the way, online, to everyone, because I'm not a Chinese spy.
jack posobiec
We know that Ian's password is this.
password and then about his phone his email address and then his
address we will tell you later tell you what Ian, respond.
ian crossland
I'm a huge fan of the Chinese.
And I'm sad to see the way that the CCP has hijacked the system.
tim pool
It's true.
luke rudkowski
Well, you know, AI has been... Their developments in that field is also very eye-opening.
But when it comes to intellectual property, they also have stolen a lot and have been able to... This is how you leapfrog.
jack posobiec
This is how you leapfrog all that stuff.
In Shanghai, for example, where I live, that's why I always go back to it, You know, they never so remember when when the United States went through a process with phones, you know, we go from Edison, you go from, you know, the original, it's sort of like a dial, and then you go to the switchboard, and then you go to rotary phones, and then eventually you get you get fiber optic and cellular, right?
So you don't need phone lines when you build a new house anymore, because nobody wants it.
You might need something for internet, but you're not wiring the house anymore.
Well, Shanghai never had to go through that process.
They don't have wires all over the place, so they just leapfrogged it.
It's the same because they were able to get the technology from us.
They learned it from us.
So it's the exact same process.
They're leapfrogging and then at the same time, they've got the money and the manpower To be able to, once they get that process, once they get the source code, once they get the technology, then they can cut us out.
Then eventually, think of this, right?
They cut us out on that end.
They already have all the precursors.
Now we have to go to them.
tim pool
China's the future, man.
ian crossland
Here's a question.
If you could get, say there was a treatment like monoclonal antibodies and it turned out it was amazing, but there was American pharma companies trying to profit off of other stuff, but you could get the clonal antibodies super cheap from the CCP.
Would you do it?
Or would you boycott the CCP?
jack posobiec
No, but Ian, we already are.
ian crossland
That's crazy.
jack posobiec
That's what Luke's saying.
All of this stuff already comes through the CCP.
Like, this isn't some new thing, right?
It's that our companies, our Wall Street firms, our Silicon Valley firms, have all made deals with the CCP to get their manufacturing, to get their slave labor.
Elon Musk just opened a Tesla facility in Xinjiang.
Right in Xinjiang, China, Elon Musk, who on his Weibo page praises the CCP for their hundred years of glory.
And like, I get what he does, right?
He goes to the US and he says what he wants, what they want to hear.
He goes to Europe, he goes to China.
Like, it's not hard to figure that out.
But understand what's going on here, right?
There's the higher level, there's the overworld, and then there's the stuff that we can see down here.
tim pool
I, uh, it's all a big joke.
ian crossland
I want to double check.
You guys know Ben Gertzel?
You familiar with him?
He's like the preeminent artificial intelligence scientist on earth.
jack posobiec
I've, I've, I've heard the name yet.
ian crossland
He's in China.
Let me double check this.
Andreas told me he lives in China.
Why would he be in China?
That's my question.
luke rudkowski
Well, there's also no regulations, and the government allows private enterprise, which they essentially control in many aspects, to do whatever they want.
This is why Dr. Fauci allowed dangerous gain-of-function research to be done in China and not in the United States, because he couldn't do it in the United States because of all the rules and regulations.
He could have done it with China if he gave China the source code and the information of what they were working on.
tim pool
At this point, the conspiracy theorists have been right so often.
I'm ready to just be like, You know, just, just give me the list and we'll just, we'll just, they're not conspiracy theorists.
luke rudkowski
They're spoiler alert.
tim pool
I like the meme where it's like 2020 or it's like 2020 conspiracy theorist, 2021 conspiracy analyst.
And it's like a picture of the first guy is like, just like regular clothes.
Second one's wearing a suit.
jack posobiec
You saw somebody made a meme already going back to Ethan Klein of that.
They put, uh, oh yeah.
Health expert, Ethan Klein, conspiracy theorist, Joe Rogan.
tim pool
Joe Rogan's all ripped.
jack posobiec
And Ethan's all like morbidly I mean, again, this is what they want.
They want you to say, Oh, who's playing in metaverse tonight?
tim pool
Who's doing that?
jack posobiec
And then you get distracted by that.
If I were if I were making the meme, he would because that would just take it to the next level.
Absolutely. I mean, again, this is what they want.
They want you to say, oh, who's playing a metaverse tonight?
Who's doing that? And then you get distracted by that.
Meanwhile, you're missing the entire.
Right. Talk about, you know, the way they want you worried about the wage gap.
Right. But the quote unquote wage gap between men and women.
So you're not talking about the wage gap that Luke is talking about between the oligarchs and everybody else.
So they pit you against each other, against left and right, male-female, ethnic, different racial stuff, that they want to get you all divided on so that you're not looking against the up-down axis at all.
tim pool
It's been that way forever.
jack posobiec
For all of human history, literally all of human history.
tim pool
And this big split with CRT happened, a big fissure moment was Occupy Wall Street.
There's that famous cartoon where it's all the people protesting saying we're the 99% and then the rich guy's in the room and he says, introduce them to identity politics.
jack posobiec
I, so, and we might get into this later, you know, but I told Lydia I was going to bring it up, I said, and I have a jump off point, so I'm going with it.
We, at Human Events, we found a Tumblr post by 12clara, who is a user there, who basically admitted that Glee, the TV show, was the plagueship for wokeness into the American mainstream.
What the TV show plague ship was the plague ship.
This user now 12 Clara was one of like the leaders of the glee online fandom on Tumblr.
This post she wrote, which is basically like an epitaph to all of that is admitted just admitting all of this.
Where do you guys think the word problematic came from?
Where do you guys think that the idea of the representation anger, you know, do we have do we have a character who fits this demographic, that demographic?
Do you have a character who is this?
Who's that?
unidentified
Right?
jack posobiec
That all comes from from Glee and from the original Glee fandom and then the wars because people get mad about it.
Arise from this idea of people becoming not just sympathetic for the characters but actually empathetic by actually viewing the television character as a mirror image of themselves where it's not only identity politics from the sense of racial and gender but identity politics from the idea of I identify with a TV character because And don't get me wrong, I love the work that Chris Rofo and James Lindsay have done tracking this stuff academically, but people have not tracked the pop culture history of wokeness to explain why it came about.
And if you look at the history of Glee and Occupy Wall Street, that sort of middle 2010s milieu, people don't realize.
tim pool
Social media.
jack posobiec
That show hitting social media pre-Netflix, right?
All of these things hitting at the same time just launched all of this stuff into the stratosphere.
tim pool
But I think social media is the biggest driver of all of it.
I think Glee played a role in pop culture, but I think it's part of... When did Glee come out?
Do you know what year?
jack posobiec
It starts 2009.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
And then it got big in 2011 is when it got big.
The exact beginning of Twitter and Tumblr.
tim pool
But I still think it's social media.
jack posobiec
But that's what I'm saying though.
It's the combination of social media with these TV shows that are introducing people for the first time.
tim pool
It's not academia.
I think.
jack posobiec
No, and I agree with you on that.
tim pool
Yeah, Peter Boghossian and I have debated this.
jack posobiec
No, it's not that.
It's that at universities there's a bunch of different ideologies.
Correct.
There's critical race theory.
tim pool
Not that, it's that at universities there's a bunch of different ideologies.
Correct.
There's critical race theory.
Well, there used to be.
There used to be.
But this is the one ideology, you know, critical race theory that comes out and expands.
And it's because intersectionality was, uh, social media was a prime vector for stuffing keywords into articles.
So you can say, you know, trans women of color being, experiencing police brutality is the epitome of Black Lives Matter.
And you fit every single keyword, you get more views and thus critical race theory starts becoming more and more prominent.
jack posobiec
There you go.
I don't see this as necessarily being in conjunction with that or in contrast to that.
What I'm saying is, you've got to read this post, right?
It's just amazing what she lays out.
tim pool
Do you have it on Twitter or something?
jack posobiec
Oh, we have the whole thing everywhere, right?
Lydia, I think I see it.
lydia smith
Where the post-millennial did it.
jack posobiec
Yeah, PostMillennial did.
So our version is like super long and gets into like a ton of different things.
They went in and did basically a summary where we just post her Tumblr post.
tim pool
Do you know when they posted it?
jack posobiec
In 2017.
tim pool
I like how you don't know if PostMillennial posted that.
jack posobiec
No, PostMillennial posted it today.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Do you know what it's called?
jack posobiec
I think if you look up Glee, it'll probably come up.
ian crossland
I like how you mentioned the psychosis that can come from identifying with a TV character, which isn't a real person.
jack posobiec
Exactly.
ian crossland
And this is where... Which Game of Thrones character are you?
Which Glee character are you?
Exactly.
jack posobiec
So the popularity of those shows, plus intersectionality, hitting identity politics and social media at the same time, you put... This was a TV show, by the way, that was getting 30 million people in ratings at one point, right?
This is a massive, massive cultural force.
tim pool
Here's a story from Post Millennial.
Entertainment consultant admits Glee sparked the woke movement within the US.
jack posobiec
Oh, did I mention that, by the way, the Tumblr user, 12clara, did an interview with Salon where she kind of like quasi outed herself in terms of real name and said, oh, by the way, my real name is Aaron.
What do you do now?
I work as a Hollywood entertainment consultant.
Wow.
ian crossland
Nice.
jack posobiec
Of course, of course, they all come from Tumblr.
tim pool
So were they consulted at the time?
jack posobiec
No, no, no.
So when they were on Tumblr and involved in like the toxic Glee fandom, no.
Right there.
The Glee fandom is not history, it's blood.
I still see it all over this website.
The vague posts, the deactivated URLs.
Where do you think the word problematic became popular?
Where do you think the representational anger?
Glee was the hungry, gaping void that consumed us all.
It said, watch us and watch us and find yourself.
There's something from everyone and there's characters lesbian, characters gay, characters bisexual, etc, etc, etc.
It goes on and on and on and said, this is your only outlet for body positivity.
We are all oppressed by something, but we are different and we are outcast and we are you.
tim pool
Everyone's oppressed so long as you agree with them.
jack posobiec
Exactly.
tim pool
If you challenge it and say an individual can be strong, they say no, because I think it's really simple.
Telling an individual they're strong breaks their collectivism.
Telling an individual they're weak and oppressed means you have to be a part of the collective, otherwise you'll be victimized.
jack posobiec
Well, and this is amazing, because it's like, the show portrays all the protagonists of the show.
And we do mention, of course, the Glee curse, and we get into that as well a little bit.
But it portrays all of the main characters as victimized and oppressed and all of this when you've got The captain of the football team, the captain of the cheerleading squad, you know, these people, they're all gorgeous.
They're great singers.
They're putting on, like, somehow they're able to do Broadway-level productions at, like, some random high school in Ohio.
And they seem to be quite popular across stage and screen in universe, right?
In the show.
And yet they're told that they are victimized and oppressed, and then they wear that as the badge of honor.
This I'm telling you, that audience that came up watching this show, and then the other shows that spun off of it, this was one of the biggest plague ships of wokeness into the mainstream ship, the plague ship.
Yeah, like I'm not saying this is like, and people were, you know, we're trying to flame the comments, you know, when I posted on Twitter today, they said, well, the Well, you know, Posobiec, this isn't the very first place that we saw political correctness.
This isn't- Guys, I'm not saying that.
I'm saying this was one of the biggest vectors, but because the later seasons of it sucked, and because of the Glee curse, which, and, you know, horrific things.
tim pool
What's the Glee curse?
jack posobiec
The fact that three of the main characters are now, or three of the main actors are now deceased.
Whoa!
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Yeah, no, seriously.
So Cory Monteith dies first.
He was the original main character of the show.
He ODs 2013 during the show's course.
So he ODed, and this was the captain of the football team character who ODs.
Then you know what happened to Mark Salling, right?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I don't watch Glee.
I don't know who these people are.
jack posobiec
I know the huge story though.
So I think it was while the show was wrapping up, he gets busted for child porn.
unidentified
Whoa.
jack posobiec
And this was sort of like the bad guy.
So he was sort of like the foil for the main football player.
He was like, you know, the tight end or something on the team.
But he was like the bad boy who cheated on the cheerleader with, you know, with him and everything.
And he gets busted for child porn, gets arrested, later hangs himself.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
And then the other cheerleader, not the captain, but Santana... She drowned.
And this is a legitimate tragedy.
This is just a real tragedy.
Just last year, she drowned in a lake outside of Los Angeles while trying to save her four-year-old son.
Their boat had capsized or something.
unidentified
So sad.
jack posobiec
And she gets her son back in.
They find the son later on alone and have no idea where the mother is.
They find her body, you know, later on, you know, and that's, that's brutal, man.
But you know, just this crazy curse, they call it like the Glee curse.
Do you think that it was, um, so what I'm saying, my, my contention is that, and as horrific as all those things are, my contention is the fact that Glee isn't in the discourse as much anymore is because people talk about it in terms of this curse, but they also, Totally overlook the fact that it was the plagueship that introduced a lot of wokeness to a huge broad swath, particularly of millennials who are watching this thing.
Because remember, we know they weren't working in 2009, right?
You know, nobody's got jobs.
Everybody's, you know, maybe going into more debt while they're working on their masters.
And they're starting to sign up to Twitter.
They're starting to sign up to Tumblr.
And what are they talking about?
They're talking about glee.
ian crossland
And they would have been 10 and 12 years old.
Now they're 23.
Do you think that it was intentionally produced that way to do that?
Or just more like this is how we, these people happen to feel like victims and they wrote a show about it?
jack posobiec
So we, we researched this and then I didn't write the piece, but I did edit it.
And one thing that we do track is that when the show was originally written, it was actually kind of like a parody, right?
Sort of a parody of like high school musical.
And it was satirical.
It was actually kind of tongue in cheek and it was meant to be self-aware.
And it was the fandom that turned it into that.
So when the fandom became so incredibly tribal about, I demand that my character that I identify with go through these, you know, aspects or the whole idea of, if you know anything about fan culture, uh, shipping, right?
Do you guys know shipping?
Oh man.
So, okay.
What is shipping?
lydia smith
So shipping is basically where you like create this mindset where these people that you see in the show are in a relationship.
jack posobiec
So you want the characters to be in relationship but then in some aspects of some fandoms it gets so bad that you actually start making up these like conspiracies.
That the actors themselves are also secretly in a relationship.
They did this, by the way, with the Star Wars movies, the Disney Star Wars movies.
They called themselves Ray-Los, right?
Dead serious.
And the Ray-Los all believed that Adam Driver and, what's the girl's name?
ian crossland
Daisy.
jack posobiec
Daisy Ripley, were in a secret relationship.
They started harassing Adam Driver's actual wife in real life.
because again the parasocial relationship went beyond right so you've got an
Empathetic media mass psychosis, you know formation going on where they need they have an insatiable urge
For their false reality or what?
We might call it a metaverse reality to come in and actually take the form in the real
world to the point where the fact that Adam driver is Actually married to someone separate and that he's a real
person who's you know, I'm sure he's in love with his wife That's why he married her that she needs to be removed from
the story because that does not satisfy The beliefs of the Rey Lowe's to what are humans?
I know, right?
And it's amazing and it's wild.
And unfortunately, it's all true.
And the fact that people overlook this influence, the toxic influence, and you could look at other shows like so.
The reason that I'm kind of halfway into this stuff is because I originally started my Twitter account and blog in 2012 to make fun of the Game of Thrones TV show.
And so I sort of came up online through that.
And then eventually got into making fun of politics and here I am.
But I remember that the Game of Thrones online fandom was just as bad, but it wasn't as big as Glee was at the time, but it was ridiculous.
And I remember I got kicked out of the DC Game of Thrones book club because I remember saying I thought it was funny that people were pirating all the episodes and so HBO wasn't getting any of the money.
And these people lost their minds.
They completely lost their minds.
I got banned from the Game of Thrones Reddit.
I got banned from all these different things.
Because I didn't have these types of like false empathetic world media relationships Whereas other people were were literally I they could not separate themselves from that false reality And I think but by the way, the most ubiquitous one of these of all The reason I don't mention it in terms of wokeness is because it's not particularly woke though is Harry Potter right and and there is a reason that every aging childless millennial We'll always use Harry Potter as their frame of reference for literally everything.
tim pool
There was this creepy post on Reddit where this teenage girl was like, my parents named me after a Harry Potter character and my brother after a Star Wars character.
They're obsessed with it.
We hate it.
We hate all of it.
We get made fun of.
Millennials, man!
How about we do this?
How about we go to Super Chats?
jack posobiec
I'm sorry.
unidentified
I'm sorry, kid.
tim pool
If you haven't already.
jack posobiec
Children of Millennials, I'm sorry.
tim pool
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jack posobiec
Except for my children, of course.
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Seth Boo says, Tim, I know it's early, but since you have Poso, you asked when the last time a new Christmas song was written.
Sabaton wrote Christmas Truce.
Check it out.
jack posobiec
Christmas Truce is excellent.
I love that song.
tim pool
Really?
I've never heard it.
jack posobiec
So it's, it's, well, you know, so Sabaton always, always, not always, but they do now, um, they write metal, power metal songs about actual military history and actual battles.
And so, but in Christmas Truce, of course, that's not a battle.
That was the armistice that was held on Christmas day between the French and the German soldiers.
And they played a game of soccer across the trenches.
tim pool
Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, cool story.
Alex Tobias says, Hey Tim, I'm a video game artist.
I'm going to be fired soon for not getting the procedure.
I sent an email to Jobs in April, but no reply.
Happy to send another one if you'd like.
Hi Post, I'm a big fan.
Um, let me write down your name because actually I think we need a video game artist.
I will write down your name, send an email to spintheufo at gmail.com, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, what's his name?
tim pool
Alex Tamayo.
lydia smith
Perfect, I'll look for that.
tim pool
And then, you know, we'll take a look at your samples, and we do need a video game artist.
I believe we do.
We have a couple projects in the works, and so we could definitely use that assistance.
Dragon Audiobooks says, my name is Marco, I make audiobooks like Founders Keep, an epic fantasy fiction story with dragons, magic, and adventure.
Oh, that's very cool.
ian crossland
That sounds awesome.
tim pool
All right, let's see where we are at.
Some people saying, welcome back, Ian.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
tim pool
Waffle Sensei, Ian, welcome back.
You look good, bro.
Nice shave.
We love you.
ian crossland
Thanks, dude.
tim pool
Yeah, what were you doing?
Where were you?
ian crossland
I went to Ohio for about 10 days, spent some time with family and friends.
That was incredible.
I went out to Washington State with a friend of mine.
I micro-dosed on some mushrooms and saw the world clearly.
It was absolutely wonderful.
Spent a lot of time watching fractal geometric patterns like the 64 tetrahedron, the flower of life.
Highly recommend looking into it.
Thanks for asking, Tim.
tim pool
All right.
Ghost Crusader says, Ian is correct.
At the end of the Langoliers, they run down the terminal holding hands and jump in the air to a freeze frame.
ian crossland
Lock it in!
tim pool
I didn't realize Stephen King did the... The miniseries?
No, no, no, no, no.
Did the, what do you call it?
16 Candles.
Who did 16 Candles?
jack posobiec
John Hughes.
tim pool
John Hughes.
Yeah, the John Hughes ending.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
It's really funny.
jack posobiec
The 80s John Hughes.
Yeah, later John Hughes got away from that stuff.
In Ready Player Two, there's a whole John Hughes planet inside the Oasis.
ian crossland
You know, I would love to, someday in the future, let's have a psychedelic expert on, because my experience with mushrooms, I mean... Graham Hancock.
jack posobiec
Graham Hancock.
Oh, we'll do it.
ian crossland
Largest organism in the world is that mycelial net under Earth.
It's a fascinating creature.
luke rudkowski
McKenna would also be good.
ian crossland
I interviewed him before.
jack posobiec
Oh, it turns McKenna.
tim pool
Here's a good one.
The Grim Truth says, I feel about Ian as I feel about graphene.
I don't know what either does, but I like it.
ian crossland
You're a beautiful soul, I love you.
tim pool
I love you.
jack posobiec
By the way, one thing when I'm talking to other political type people in DC about Tim Pool, they're like, yeah, I like Tim, but there's this Ian guy.
I don't quite get what he is.
I'm like, exactly.
tim pool
I was talking to Michael and he was like, it took me a minute to figure out what Ian brought to the show, but now I get it.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
I was like, all right, cool.
jack posobiec
Ian is the perfect foil for today.
ian crossland
I left for two weeks.
I was like, let's just give it some time, you know, love.
What do they say?
Time heals all wounds.
Give it some space, Crossland.
tim pool
All right.
Scotty says, how do you think the Supreme Court will rule on the stay request for the vaccine mandates this Friday?
jack posobiec
Well, keep in mind that that stay requests don't necessarily mean the final ruling, right?
That's just the emergency injunction.
And so unless I'm not tracking on something that I think this is just the emergency injunction and typically we've seen that this Supreme Court.
It depends.
It's not the entire court that will rule on it.
It's just like which panel of judges that you draw.
So I think it's three that they have not been ruling on.
They have not been continuing stay.
So they have been allowing the states to be able to be able to run as they see fit and then waiting for a full hearing.
tim pool
All right, Beefy says, Getter just blocked Tommy Robinson's movie trailer called The Rape of Britain, so they're censoring as well.
ian crossland
Thoughts?
tim pool
Keep it the good work.
ian crossland
That's usually how it starts, is with white, uh, the supremic, uh, content.
Like, it's okay to be white.
Is that white stuff?
Is that what the documentary is about?
luke rudkowski
I don't think that's what Tommy Robinson... I don't think that's what the documentary is about.
jack posobiec
I'd have to, I'd have to check that out because I remember, I remember that seeing a lot of promotion for that on Getter recently, and so it would surprise me that they...
I'd have to look at the specifics.
tim pool
Yeah, Tommy Robinson's documentary, I haven't seen the trailer.
It's about grooming gangs.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
I hope it's not the kind of thing where- I mean, that's his whole career, basically.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
ian crossland
When they target a person.
Like, I was always of the ilk that if someone violates content, you ban that account.
But if they make a new account and they choose not to violate the content anymore, then they're in the clear.
As opposed to looking at Tommy and like, wherever he is, let's just try and whack a mole Tommy.
Doesn't make any- that's not social.
You know, it's anti-social.
tim pool
It's political, man.
All right, Nate Carpenter says, do you think that these special ops people killed the lady on January 6?
Only person dead and we don't know who killed her.
That's not true, though.
We do know.
Yeah, we do know the guy's name now, don't we?
I don't want to say it because, you know, I'm not sure.
jack posobiec
No, no, but I mean, he's been he's he was on 60 Minutes, I believe he was on ABC.
Alright, well there you go.
He's come public.
I can't think of his name.
He's a lieutenant, though.
The U.S.
Capitol Police.
And he's come public.
Someone can remind me.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he's the guy that previously left a firearm in a public place.
jack posobiec
And was reprimanded for that.
The interview was horrific, by the way.
They had to help him through the interview.
And he was basically... I mean, he was saying stuff about, like, I had to do that.
She was going to kill Mike Pence.
She was going to do all this stuff.
That, you know, he couldn't possibly know by looking at her, and that he couldn't possibly know.
He could say, he could have said a number of things, but the stuff that he was saying in this interview, it made him look horrific.
It made him look really bad.
tim pool
We got a super chat from John Paul Diodati.
He says, Hey Tim, I'm also a 3D artist and would love to support the cause.
YouTube name is accurate.
We also send an email to spintheofo at gmail.com with your name and we'll get back to you because we could use a 3D artist as well.
But probably more for like 3D printing, resin, and ABS and things like that.
But you know, we'll take a look and we'll see what's going on.
ian crossland
Did you guys see Tommy Robinson's car blown up outside Telford Hotel eight hours ago?
tim pool
Yeah, I think we have an article on that.
ian crossland
So do you think he's being targeted because of this documentary he did?
tim pool
Yo, they've been going after this guy relentlessly.
jack posobiec
I mean, they've been targeting Tommy for years, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
jack posobiec
In and out of jail, and all the rest of it.
Well, they locked him up for reporting on the case of the grooming gang.
tim pool
It was like they were about to issue a verdict or something, and he's outside the courtroom like, oh, you're interfering with the trial, so you're under arrest.
jack posobiec
I remember that video, by the way.
He was filming himself, and he was talking, I believe it was Facebook, and he was just talking to his phone.
tim pool
They are out for that dude, man.
That's crazy.
Alright, Omega says, Tim, there is no such thing as establishment left.
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
Right means establishment and left means counterestablishment.
I cringe every time.
That is not true.
That is completely wrong.
jack posobiec
Whoa!
Someone's living in the 1950s.
tim pool
Yeah, seriously.
No, you are incorrect, sir, with all due respect.
I appreciate the super chat, but you are wrong.
jack posobiec
This is why, by the way, every remake of Footloose will feature a Christian pastor, right?
Even though we know that in the 1980s, Christian pastors may, over some small towns of America, wielded that amount of control.
The plot of Footloose is that they're not allowed to, you know, have rock music and dancing is forbidden in the town.
And so they have to go just outside the town limits to hold the prom.
And, you know, Kevin Bacon's there.
And, um, and so the Christian right hasn't had that power in the United States for decades, right?
It, the, the left has been ascendant by and far, but it is completely the origin story and ethos of the left to, as your commenter just said, stated to be, we are the counter revolution.
We are the counter revolutionaries.
We are the rebel Alliance.
We are the ones who are fighting against, against you when they don't realize they won years ago.
They won.
tim pool
They are the establishment.
jack posobiec
You are the empire.
But the point is, this is your, uh, your music video.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, language is just how we describe concepts and ideas.
You're not going to convince that you're not going to, you're not going to be speaking English.
If you call Hassan, you know, uh, right wing, they're gonna be like, what?
Like, well, he's right wing because he is establishment and he supports establishment narratives and big corporations.
So he's inherently right wing.
It's, it's nonsensical.
Like when Vosch says, Tim pool is a conservative.
Anybody who knows anything about conservative establishments change.
That's literally not true.
Like that makes no sense.
jack posobiec
It's changed.
tim pool
Left and right mean many different things.
There's the economic scale, where left is cooperative systems and right is competitive systems.
And then you have the cultural scale, where far right means traditionalism and far left means progressivism.
And then there is the revolutionary scale, which is the left were revolutionary and the right were status quo.
It means a variety of different things.
So there you go.
jack posobiec
You also have the, you know, libertarians would, would describe it as, you know, totalitarian versus anarchism.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Yeah, the up and the down.
tim pool
There's a bunch of different ways.
jack posobiec
There's so many different ways you could go.
tim pool
All right, we got another one.
We got another semantic statement.
Dan says, Stop using the word liberal to refer to the Democrats.
That word has a root in the Latin word for freedom, and the Democrats are not for anything about freedom.
We need to take that word back.
Crackpot authoritarian?
lydia smith
Liberalists.
tim pool
That's why I can't stand when people say liberalism.
jack posobiec
So the idea of being able to take words back, I think, doesn't work.
I think the way that... But when a new term is placed into the discourse, it actually becomes a jump ball.
And the people who can run to that one the fastest are the ones who then claim it.
So the perfect addition of this...
There's two actually that I can think of recently in the sort of linguistic warfare that's out there.
Number one is fake news.
The term fake news was not created by Donald Trump or anyone on the right.
It was created by the Washington Post and, you know, a sort of milieu of left-wing journalists who were using it to describe people who were posting stuff online like Luke or myself or Tim or basically everyone in this room during the election.
They said, you are fake news.
then the right stole that and basically independent stole that and used it to
on Essentially mainstream media for the remainder of history
and they've been destroyed. The other one is let's go Brandon. Yeah, right as silly as it is
This was not something that was created by the right and I think it's so hilarious
Every time I see people try to say this no, it was created by an NBC reporter, right?
tim pool
All right.
Matthew says, Hey y'all, trying to escape the Oregon regime.
VA, MT, or TX.
Wife cannot finish her degree in education without the jab.
I need a decent paying state for teaching and agriculture irrigation work.
Love y'all.
PSF Fauci.
Yeah.
What do you think?
Which state is that?
Was it Vermont, Montana, or Texas?
jack posobiec
Well, not Vermont.
tim pool
No, that's not Vermont.
Virginia.
jack posobiec
Yeah, Vermont's the number one most vaccinated state.
VA would be Virginia.
tim pool
Right, Virginia.
I wouldn't go to Virginia.
unidentified
Montana, Idaho?
tim pool
Yeah, the challenge.
So when we were looking at places to set up, the first place I looked was Montana and Wyoming.
The problem is infrastructure.
And so if you get an airport, we can fly people wherever.
jack posobiec
That's the plot of Yellowstone.
Or it was the plot of Yellowstone.
tim pool
They go out to build a company in Wyoming?
jack posobiec
Montana.
tim pool
Montana.
What kind of company?
jack posobiec
Well, so it's done from the perspective of a rancher who's fighting against all the people.
And the rancher is... I heard it's really good.
It was.
Until this last season.
It just goes off the rails.
Totally off the rails.
And Kevin Costner's the lead.
But it's really good until this season.
tim pool
It's actually fairly expensive.
It's not as cheap as people think.
West Virginia is... I think West Virginia was better.
That's why we chose it.
Because there's big plots of land for low cost and infrastructure is right there.
Now we had to get the cable lines installed, the fiber optic, and that was really expensive.
So they came and actually laid down the line, buried it, and then had to connect it to the house.
We had to hire a second company to do it.
Took like four months or whatever.
ian crossland
More here at this place?
jack posobiec
Do you mind if I ask, and I understand if you can't say, but did the state offer you anything for that?
tim pool
We didn't ask him.
jack posobiec
But, I mean, they knew you were setting up a shop here, setting up a business as a business owner.
tim pool
Well, no one came and talked to us and we didn't talk to anybody.
jack posobiec
Right, because in other states, by the way, they will offer, in other states, they will offer, oh, right, they will offer, you know, tax credits, but only if you go in cities, right?
Because they want to build up the cities.
And we were up in Alaska and I was talking to a microbrewery about this that was out, you know, sort of in one of the more touristy areas.
And they were saying, he's like, They don't give me anything, man.
The state, they'll give me, and the federal government will give me all these subsidies if I go and link in in the grid and make the city bigger.
But if I say, no, I want to run my business out here in a rural area because I love this area and I love serving these people, I'm on my own.
I've got to pay full freight.
ian crossland
If the governor of West Virginia would work with us to build like an off-grid on-grid hybrid setup where we can shut off free domicile to the grid and then put it back on.
tim pool
We should actually reach out.
If you guys listening know anybody who works in West Virginia, we're near Harper's Ferry.
So I don't want to give out too much because we're currently doing construction, but we have free domicile.
We bought a big plot, like 50 acres.
And maybe there's something we can do, because one of the reasons I want to... Right now, this facility we're in is in Maryland.
We're on the border.
And then I live in West Virginia.
But we're going to set up our main big hub in West Virginia.
jack posobiec
Proud West Virginian, Tim Pool.
tim pool
Absolutely!
Never thought I'd live in that state.
But it's opportunity.
There's a ton of opportunity there.
And I don't think Florida... I think Florida has freedom.
I think Texas has freedom.
But I don't think they have as much opportunity because they're both very overdeveloped.
New Hampshire's pretty good.
Weather could be an issue.
And so we ultimately settled on West Virginia.
And even in the Panhandle, there's a bunch of opportunities.
jack posobiec
Did you definitely want to be East Coast?
tim pool
Uh, no, no, we were looking at Wyoming and Montana.
jack posobiec
Okay.
tim pool
But infrastructure was a huge problem.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
So I was like, in the middle of nowhere, extremely expensive internet, very little, few roads.
If we did do it, uh, setting up, setting up there, we'd have to fly people in and have a guest house for them instead of a hotel or something, depending on where we were.
And then just internet in general is very difficult.
jack posobiec
Now with Starlink coming out- I was gonna say, Starlink would change that, yeah.
tim pool
But they're delayed.
We were supposed to have Starlink already, and they're like, we'll get it to you at some point next year, so.
But now we've got like three different airlines.
jack posobiec
Elon's too busy opening up factories in Xinjiang.
tim pool
We got a new building being built.
7,500 square feet, three stories.
This is gonna be insane.
So it's 7,500 square feet total space.
But then we're building internal structures in a portion of it for the new studio.
It's gonna be amazing.
The designs are insane.
And we're gonna be hiring more people, doing more work, doing more production.
And I think that's gonna be a huge opportunity for the people who are near us in West Virginia for work.
jack posobiec
That being said, there's a little beef between me and Tim that I should probably mention before we get done here.
And speaking of building new facilities, because I would have loved to show you the new facilities at Turning Point USA out in Phoenix.
When we had AmericaFest with 10,000 screaming patriots who came out.
I don't know if you saw the videos of that thing.
That's where I was for 10 days out in Phoenix.
Dude, there's three buildings already right now out there for Turning Point, and they are expanding.
Wow.
tim pool
That's cool.
ian crossland
So they got a campus?
jack posobiec
It's a campus.
Yeah, it's essentially a campus.
tim pool
Well, we're going to do that here in West Virginia.
jack posobiec
And so we should compare notes.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
So we're going to have... Zip line.
Yeah, yeah, no, we are.
Inside the building.
ian crossland
Oh, I meant from here to Turning Point.
jack posobiec
Well, what I want, no, Turning Point should do, because the buildings are actually in pretty close proximity, we should have building-to-building ziplines, so you don't have to go downstairs and walk across the parking lot.
tim pool
We're gonna have, the studio's gonna be in the second floor, as, like, its own unique structure, and the whole back wall, so like, for you guys that are watching, when you're seeing Jack, it's gonna be glass.
And you're gonna look and you're gonna be able to see the whole production.
jack posobiec
I want to be like a giant wall of TVs and I'm just on that wall all the time.
tim pool
Outside, looking down on people.
Alright, but we'll have more on that.
There's a good feeling in the space.
We think this might be up and running within six months.
jack posobiec
How many words per minute are you typing there, Bob?
ian crossland
One-way glass so we can see past Jack.
tim pool
No, no, people can watch it.
People can look in and see the show.
jack posobiec
We actually used to have that at Navy Intel.
We had the control room that was above, and then you would have a map of the world was behind you, and then any incidents or if something was going on, that would flash up on the world map.
Oh, that's cool.
And then whoever was running it, whoever's the officer at the deck or if the captain was around, the CO, or you could say, hey, zoom in on that, and then that would blow up.
ian crossland
That'd be cool if it was like, this coming in from New Mexico, and it zooms to the thing, and then it zooms in and the story comes up as he's explaining.
tim pool
On the glass.
jack posobiec
That's exactly it.
tim pool
Well we're not there yet.
jack posobiec
I'm just saying.
tim pool
We're getting there.
We're getting there.
Alright let's read some more.
We got Tom Bear says, how about CERN getting fired up in March at three times power?
jack posobiec
Get ready for the reality shift folks.
It is coming.
We lost Harambe last time.
Let's see what happens.
We lost Harambe.
We lost Berenstain.
Or Berenstein.
It's now Berenstain.
We lost uh.
tim pool
You're going to be watching the show and the next day Ian's going to be super ripped and
like three feet taller.
ian crossland
That's not a joke either.
tim pool
No joke.
His hair's going to be short and he's going to be like... Carrot top Ian.
That is crazy.
Carrot top.
Was he always ripped like that?
jack posobiec
No, no.
That's what's crazy about it.
He normally looked like Ian.
ian crossland
He was just on Rogue and he said he was in Vegas working and he had everything taken care of so he just went nuts and started working out three hours a day.
jack posobiec
There you go.
ian crossland
Shacked.
jack posobiec
That's what some people in prison do that.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's what the entertainment industry is like.
jack posobiec
Pretty much.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's grab some, uh, super chats.
Fisheye Studios says, has anyone noticed Luke enunciates his words very thoroughly?
Such as, against, he hangs onto the st, all the way through.
Admirable.
But I notice he flies through his words in Polish.
Love you, Luke.
luke rudkowski
Okay.
jack posobiec
That's ESL, folks.
That's ESL.
ian crossland
Luke, you worked out today.
You were saying before the show.
luke rudkowski
We got a kickboxer trainer here, and it was exhausting.
So I'm obliterated.
I'm tired.
I'm exhausted.
ian crossland
Working on the high kick?
luke rudkowski
A lot of different things.
jack posobiec
Don't you mean a lot of different things?
luke rudkowski
I'll talk how I want, okay?
tim pool
We're all going to West Virginia now.
ian crossland
Love you, dude.
tim pool
Well, there you go, there you go.
ian crossland
That's one magnitude.
jack posobiec
Oh, I love you on the show.
tim pool
Michael Scott Matthews says is giving children Harry Potter names any less cringe than giving children Bible names both
works of fiction Yeah.
jack posobiec
Cringe comment.
Very cringe comment.
Let's see.
The basis of all of Western civilization versus a book about some kids that go to magic school.
lydia smith
Seems roughly equivalent.
jack posobiec
Okay.
ian crossland
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
All right.
tim pool
Where are we at?
I don't know why this matters, but Rex says Jon Snow and Ygritte are married in real life.
ian crossland
That makes me so happy.
jack posobiec
Are they still married?
I think so.
I know they got married.
tim pool
Oh, is that a reference to Peter Dinklage?
Because Peter Dinklage said they wanted the pretty white people to Did he say that?
He said people hated it because they wanted the pretty white people to, like, flee together or something like that.
I don't know, something stupid.
jack posobiec
I didn't say that.
I've heard that Peter Dinklage is just a complete jerk in real life.
ian crossland
That was a beautiful love story, those two.
Like, you could see them falling in love while they were working together, I thought.
Every once in a while you see actors, that happens with a couple actors.
tim pool
Kid Harrington!
ian crossland
Yeah!
unidentified
I don't know anything.
tim pool
I don't know anything?
All right, Mama Kazi says thanks for the great show Tim cast and poso NASCAR just removed a let's go Brandon
sponsorship for this year You guys should contact Brandon Brown and support his team
in these trying times support Brandon man They're canceling over something someone else
jack posobiec
No, no, it's because the Let's Go Brandon coin was going to come in and then because he wasn't able to get sponsorships.
And then so they're canceling the sponsorship of Let's Go Brandon.
tim pool
He got canceled because of the meme.
So then he's like, OK, I'll take this sponsor.
Let's Go Brandon coin.
And then they're like, no, you can't do that.
jack posobiec
Yeah, NASCAR is NASCAR has right of refusal on all sponsorships.
So like, so like, you can't have like, you know, they could, you know, for like adult stuff, or they have their terms of service as well.
But no, that that's clearly, you know, clearly politicizing.
But if this was by the way, if this was left wing, anything left wing that was coming in, you know, NASCAR would let that in a A hundred percent.
ian crossland
Like a BLM coin?
jack posobiec
All right, exactly.
tim pool
Stryder says I work at Kohl's.
Today they announced they will be following OSHA's ETS, which requires you to reveal vaccination status and start weekly testing.
Supreme Court is hearing arguments against this on the 7th of January.
Tyranny.
I heard that Starbucks was going to be mandating all of their employees.
lydia smith
I heard that too.
tim pool
And I was kind of wondering, like, how many employees do you think a Starbucks has?
unidentified
40?
lydia smith
16?
Oh, 40?
unidentified
40?!
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
You guys agree?
ian crossland
Forty?
jack posobiec
What, a million?
tim pool
No, no, no.
One Starbucks location.
jack posobiec
Oh, just one Starbucks?
ian crossland
Sixteen, final answer.
tim pool
Sixteen?
jack posobiec
Thirty.
tim pool
Thirty?
I was thinking about that.
I'm like, I wonder how much they make, and if I can go to the local Starbucks out here and be like, anybody who doesn't want to get the vaccine is going to be fired, I will hire you right now.
jack posobiec
We need baristas.
tim pool
No, I'll just be like, I'll hire you at the same hourly rate, and we'll give you a guaranteed 40 hours a week, and you can just, I don't know, hold a sign saying... Fire from Starbucks.
Fire from Starbucks!
And like, you know, I'll give you a guaranteed year of work or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
There's got to be a way to do that ethically.
Give them something to do.
jack posobiec
Wait, what's unethical about that?
tim pool
I will pay you to hold up a sign saying, I quit this job because of the vaccine mandates and I refused, and then just hold the sign and stand there.
jack posobiec
And then underneath, watch Team Cast IRL.
tim pool
No, I wouldn't do that.
Like, I wouldn't want it to be about me.
I'd be like, here you go guys, guaranteed income.
You don't have to do this.
You get one year because it really doesn't make sense beyond that, but you'll have a year to figure things out and you'll keep getting paid and you'll got to make coffee.
No more customers.
All you got to do is say, I refuse to work under these conditions.
We could totally do that.
jack posobiec
Tim is trying to start Occupy Starbucks right now.
That's what he's trying to do.
He's coming full circle.
tim pool
Culture jamming, you know, what are some clever ways to engage in, it's not even non-violent civil disobedience, it's just like protest.
jack posobiec
Occupy Starbucks, let's do it.
tim pool
You know, I wonder, you've got all these people, you know, like Joe Rogan's got a big show, but he's not expanding his voice beyond his show.
ian crossland
Comedy Club, that's the one thing he's doing, what you were talking about on your show earlier.
tim pool
No, that I know, but I mean like, the conversations he has, the very real, newsworthy conversations, comedy show's not gonna do that.
Comedy show will help for sure, but that voice he has on the Joe Rogan experience won't expand unless he puts money into it.
And he doesn't have to, you know.
jack posobiec
Is he speaking at this rally that's coming up?
The anti-mandate rally?
tim pool
I don't think so.
jack posobiec
I know McCullough and Malone are speaking, and then they mentioned that they have some secret celebrity speakers.
ian crossland
Where is it?
jack posobiec
It's in D.C.
It's coming out at the end of January.
luke rudkowski
What was the call again?
Because I remember seeing something about this.
jack posobiec
I think it's an anti-mandate rally.
luke rudkowski
I know, but it was called something.
I forgot.
People were sending it to me.
jack posobiec
Yeah, they're sending it to me too.
They're going to be mad that I got it wrong.
luke rudkowski
I'm trying to remember what it was.
jack posobiec
I think Brett Weinstein speaking.
ian crossland
Defeat the mandates.
jack posobiec
Defeat the mandates.
Defeat the mandates DC.
There you go.
And I remember when Malone mentioned it on the podcast, Rogan, you know, he kind of had like a non-response response to it.
And so it got me wondering if he was one of the celebrity speakers.
tim pool
No idea.
Let's do one more.
jack posobiec
That'd be wild.
That'd actually be wild.
I was at the Juggalo March, by the way.
Oh, yeah.
I remember the Juggalo March.
That was awesome.
They kicked out Antifa.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Happy Little Tree says, hey gang, hey Poso.
Got another dichotomy that we can use for this current conflict.
Assassins and Templars, 2021 and 2020.
2020 and 2021 were the years we found out who is who.
Is that a reference to the video game?
lydia smith
Assassin's Creed?
ian crossland
Warhammer?
jack posobiec
Except everything about the Assassin's Creed history is completely backwards, but okay.
tim pool
Yeah, but no, no, no, let's be real.
The one thing that got right was that the Apple in the Bible was actually a reference to a computer that contained a bunch of information, and the aliens, it was alien technology.
ian crossland
Right?
lydia smith
Sure, sure.
tim pool
Have you guys played that game?
That's the story.
jack posobiec
No.
That's secret Bible history.
We're not supposed to talk about that.
unidentified
All right.
jack posobiec
We'll talk about that in the subscriber hour, ladies and gentlemen.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
jack posobiec
I think the Apple was judgment, by the way.
tim pool
One more super chat.
Ryan asks if we're putting an event center at Freedomistan.
jack posobiec
Yes.
tim pool
We are.
One of the goals we're gonna have at Freedomistan is that if you are a member of TimCast.com at a certain level, we haven't figured it out yet, that we're gonna actually have a, like, you can apply to come and hang out on Friday nights, and it'll be like 10 tickets per week.
This is what we wanted to do here, and we couldn't, but the new space will be able to, and you'll be, like, hanging at the bar, and you can see the show while we're doing it.
You'll hear it and everything and hang out.
jack posobiec
So Candace Owens does.
She has like, you pay something, but then she'll have like a live audience.
I mean, when I've done her show, it's, I mean, it's like Ellen, right?
You walk in and the whole, and then everyone's applauding and they have like the little applause sign and it's big audience too.
It's wild.
tim pool
It's electrifying.
jack posobiec
It adds something to the show.
It really does.
tim pool
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Uh, Jack, you wanna shout anything out?
jack posobiec
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ian crossland
I hear those are awesome, by the way.
My mom has one.
jack posobiec
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ian crossland
I don't know.
unidentified
Becky?
jack posobiec
Ian!
tim pool
Tell me.
Someone tweeted, I signed up for a getter and I haven't seen a post that wasn't an ad for MyPillow.
luke rudkowski
I was waiting for that MyPillow.
I was going to ask you, I was like, where's the MyPillow?
jack posobiec
But a lot, I tell you what, though, a lot of people, by the way, if you got a new MyPillow for Christmas and a lot of people have new MyPillows now because we just had Christmas, make sure you run it through the dryer once to activate the patented fill.
This is something, there's a little card on the inside that tells everyone to do this, but not everyone does because they're like, oh, I don't need to read that.
I throw it out.
Like I was the guy that always read the manual before I played the video game.
Um, instead of like, cause I liked the story.
I like, cause there was always a little bit of a story in there.
Um, run it through there.
Cause I get a lot of people saying, Hey man, this pillow, like you said, it's
gonna be good, but run it through even, even 15 minutes, one cycle is fine.
15 minutes.
It just fluffs it up.
Boom.
Pops it up like a ballpark Frank.
I don't know a kid from Chicago.
I was about ballpark.
luke rudkowski
I definitely don't believe in reading instructions beforehand.
And real men don't do that.
But anyway, when you're not sleeping and dozing off, you could be traveling, expatting, and also escaping, as I just released my travel, expatting, and escaping hacking masterclass.
50 never-before-seen videos all available on lucancensor.com.
I got a couple classes on there.
I'm really proud of the video that I did today talking about the El Salvadorian government Mandates that they just released with a very funny, important video to the general public.
So I talked about that in great detail.
I'm very proud of that video.
luconsensor.com.
Hope to see some of you guys there.
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
Follow me at iancrossland.net.
It's really good to be back.
Great to see you guys again.
I can confirm Kit Harington and Rose Leslie are married with the baby.
jack posobiec
Congrats.
ian crossland
Congrats for them.
And I want to give a shout out to Mike, who I saw at the Red Horse Diner in Ellensburg, Washington.
If you're out there, cool.
Did you watch the show?
Good to see you.
It's weird, like, for the first time I'm going out and someone knew who I was outside.
It was very casual, very normal.
I think this is just the way it's going to be.
tim pool
Was it someone who was like, oh, you're Ian.
I can't stand you on the show, but I know who you are.
ian crossland
And man, I was talking about science hard before he approached me, too.
So you've been listening for a while.
Mike, thanks, man.
Good to see you, buddy.
lydia smith
And you guys may follow me on Twitter at Sour Patchlets.
Very glad the gang's all back together.
I'm looking forward to another great week.
tim pool
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