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Dec. 23, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Chicago Mayor Says The Unvaxxed TIME IS UP w/Jack Murphy
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unidentified
Merry Christmas everybody.
tim pool
This is our last show for the week.
Nobody's working.
There's nobody sitting next to me.
Ian's gone, of all people.
Ian's the guy who wakes up at 7 p.m.
for an 8 p.m.
show, and then he shows up in his pajamas.
And even this guy is out for family.
Well, I guess actually that makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah, that makes sense.
tim pool
We miss him, though.
Luke left today because Luke's got a Polish mom.
And I'll tell you what, that's what he said!
Because he's like, Polish mothers are very much like, you gotta be back early, you know what I mean?
Oh, I gotcha.
Yeah, but Jack Murphy's hanging out.
jack murphy
Hey, I'm here.
Good to be here.
My friend Matt's gonna be here a little bit later.
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Good to see everybody.
tim pool
There's a lot of people who have no idea what that means.
jack murphy
I know, it does.
I'm Jack Murphy.
Follow me on Twitter at Jack Murphy Live on YouTube.
Jack Murphy Live.
tim pool
Yeah, there's news.
They're rolling out all these vaccine mandates right before Christmas when no one's paying attention.
And that's one of the most nefarious things.
Boston announced it.
DC announces it.
Chicago announces it.
And they're doing it just after the new year.
And I think a lot of people are going to comply.
So we'll talk about all that stuff.
We'll talk about Joe Biden.
I wanna talk about the story with Elon Musk.
He's saying that he is paying more taxes than anyone in history, which is effectively defanging a lot of these leftist arguments against him.
And then we've got some, I don't know.
I gotta be honest with you guys.
Nobody's working right now.
So we've got stories on TimCast.com, which we're gonna talk about.
And then for the most part, man, everybody is zoned out.
People are like, I don't wanna talk about this stuff.
I don't wanna listen.
I wanna go watch The Matrix.
Well, I'll tell you what I did today.
I watched The Matrix, and we have a review because I think The Matrix Resurrections is conservative propaganda.
And I'm only half-joking when I say that.
I actually think they have a very powerful kind of traditional message in it, which is interesting.
And there's also, like, the movie almost mocks the left, but I think they're serious with it.
It's kind of like how Girlbusters was, you know?
They're like, this is what we really believe, and you're like, what, really?
And then they have this like, I don't want to spoil too much.
I'm not gonna spoil too much, but we'll talk about it later on the show.
And then, you know, whatever, we'll talk about Joe Biden or something.
He wants to rematch Trump.
What's going on, man?
Welcome back.
jack murphy
Thanks, man.
Good to be here.
On my way up, I'm like reading about DC VAX mandates.
So I'm sort of just accepting the fact that I'm never going to be able to go out to eat or to the movies.
Or to a concert, or have a drink, or anything ever again in D.C.
And then I hear in Montgomery County, the county just adjacent to D.C.
is doing the same thing.
In Maryland.
unidentified
Yep, in Maryland.
Man.
tim pool
Because they couldn't do it statewide because where we are in Western Maryland has already offered up secession.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so these westernmost counties have said like, West Virginia!
We would gladly become West Virginia, please.
jack murphy
Washington County and a few others.
I think it's happened more than once.
They write letters and they're like, please take us West Virginia.
tim pool
There's a dude over here who's got a big sign that says Swamp 40 miles that way and like, wear your boots.
And there's like a big Trump sign and stuff like that.
So we'll get all that stuff.
We also got Lydia hanging out.
It's just the three of us.
lydia smith
I am also here in the corner pushing buttons.
I did not take off tonight.
I'm happy to be here with you guys and Jack and Tim.
It's going to be, I think it's going to be perfectly animate, even though we have fewer people here.
So I'm stoked.
jack murphy
Oh, this is like the very first time I was ever on the show.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, there's only a few of us.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
The first time you came on, just us hanging out.
unidentified
No Luke, no... That was like February 2020.
tim pool
Yeah, man, just before the world ended.
That's right.
Well, we got a lot to talk about.
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So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and I know there's already people putting in a bunch of super chats.
And they're saying that, you know, we've got to read them because there was an issue with Jack last week on Elijah and Sidney Watson's show.
And look, I'll say first and foremost, we're not a drama channel.
We don't do drama.
You know, I understand that something happened and everybody's super chatting and expecting me to read something.
But I will say, We will address it.
We will read your superchats.
By all means, superchat.
But we don't do, um, silliness.
Like, if you have legitimate questions and legitimate conversation to be had that will move things forward, definitely we'll be into it.
If you're posting memes and jokes and, like, having a laugh or whatever, we'll read one or two maybe, but I'm not gonna read for half an hour because you guys want to make, you know, jokes or whatever.
Like, I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything.
The goal of the show has always been can we like maximize the conversation and get the best ideas across as possible.
And I think that's why we get so many super chats because people are usually offering up really good questions and helping us have that conversation.
So I just try to keep, I try to stay out of the weeds.
There are a lot of YouTubers They talk about me all day.
They're like, oh, Dimple did this, Dimple did that, and you know, the Young Turks did it recently, and I'm like, I don't, I don't, I'd rather not do that.
I'd rather talk about the things that are impacting our lives, the things that are causing us strife, the things we need to overcome, what we can do to improve ourselves, and typically, things that just I feel like are important, worth talking about.
So we'll, we'll, we'll address it simply because I think it, you know, should be because, you know, people are asking for it, but I will say for the most part, Don't expect we're going to have some ridiculous, I don't know, joke fest where we just make fun of people or anything like that.
But at any rate, if you want to get your Super Chats in, by all means, you're free to do so.
And let's just read the news, man.
jack murphy
Let's do it.
tim pool
We got the story from TimCast.com.
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot warns unvaccinated residents your time is up.
She said it just like that, too.
She said we didn't want to get to this point.
Actually, I should read it like Lori Lightfoot.
Because she's Beetlejuice.
I haven't seen that movie in a really long time, by the way.
unidentified
I didn't want it to get to this point, but given the situation we find ourselves in,
tim pool
we have no choice.
unidentified
Beginning January 3rd, you must show proof you are fully vaxxed to enter bars.
tim pool
I haven't seen that movie in a really long time, by the way.
That's a good impression.
I don't know if I'm doing a good Michael Keaton.
jack murphy
I love it.
tim pool
She says, to enter bars, restaurants, fitness centers, and entertainment, and recreational
venues where food and drink are served.
But the best part was when she said, where is it?
Do we even have it on here?
Here we go.
To put it simply, if you have been living vaccine free, your time is up.
unidentified
If you wish to live life as with the ease to do the things you love, you must be vaxxed.
This health order may pose an inconvenience to the unvaccinated.
tim pool
And in fact, it is inconvenient by design.
I had to read it like a villain.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Because that was one of the most villainous statements on vaccine mandates from any executive.
jack murphy
I don't know, that one from Biden was pretty bad.
They're like, if you don't get vaccinated, you face a long, dark, cold winter, and you're going to overwhelm the hospitals, and basically you're going to die.
tim pool
I don't, I don't, yes, it was bad, but I don't agree, right?
When I, when I saw it, so that was from Zients or whatever, the Coronavirus Task Force guy on Biden's administration.
He said, the unvaxxed can be expecting a winter of death and, you know, like suffering or whatever, because you'll overwhelm the hospitals.
But that's more like, you know, I imagine that as, if I was watching a movie, There's like a hooded figure issuing like a prophetic warning and like shaking a bony finger.
unidentified
You will face death.
tim pool
And that's not the real villain.
But this one she's like, if you've been living vaccine free, your time is up.
That's like Skeletor straight up being like, I'll get you He-Man.
You know, like not like just like a warning.
jack murphy
They're just gonna try to make your life as miserable as possible.
tim pool
She said it!
Bill de Blasio was like, we're going to take away your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness unless you inject yourself with this, you know, this medication.
jack murphy
You want liberty?
Do what we say.
tim pool
But you won't even get liberty if you do it.
That's the crazy thing.
jack murphy
No, not at all.
And in fact, the D.C.
area, sorry, Washington, D.C., just came out with its own vaccine mandate today, as a matter of fact.
And in there, it gave a definition of vaccinated, you know, and it's like two shots.
You're only one shot.
If you're a kid, two shots.
If you're adult, of course, that's going to change.
There's no liberty there.
You're going to just keep having to get the shot, but I'm faced with now, like I'm literally, I can't go to any restaurants in DC.
tim pool
You got to move.
jack murphy
I got to move.
I wish the word that easy.
I'm divorced.
It's been a long time.
It's been 12 years.
We've been divorced.
The kids are here.
I'm not, you know, I have two choices.
I can either abandon my kids or I can kidnap them.
Either way, these are two, you know, obviously I can't do either one of those.
So I'm, I'm stuck.
Right.
And, uh, you know, I wish people would understand that when they come at me about the vaccine, it's like, also I have split custody and this is a thing divorced families are facing all across the country where the parents don't agree on what to do about the vaccine.
tim pool
Well, now you, now there's no question.
Your kids have to be faxed period.
jack murphy
I mean, they're making it that way.
tim pool
It used to be, you know, so we had that conversation about, you know, your kids want to do sports.
And then we got in that debate.
Now it doesn't even matter.
That's not even a question anymore.
Now it's, there's not going to be any legal defense.
There will be.
But I'll say this first and foremost.
It's one thing to be like, if I want my kids to play sports, they got to get the vaccine because of these rules.
Now they're just going to be like, if you want your kid to go to a restaurant, if you go to a gym, to go to the schools, to do any of that stuff, they have to be vaxxed.
So it's either they stay at home all day or they get the vaccine.
So I think that when it comes to a court, like a court argument where you're saying, you don't want your kids.
jack murphy
Yeah, there's no choice.
The judge is going to be like, boom, done.
tim pool
Exactly.
jack murphy
Yeah.
So I literally have no choice.
And people, People don't like nuance.
The trolls don't like any nuance.
And they give me a hard time about our conversation that we had a couple of months ago.
And I'm just faced with the fact that I'm no longer and I'm no longer be able to go to restaurants, museum bars, nightclubs, theaters, music venues, whatever.
And even in the adjacent counties, Montgomery County, Arlington County, they're going to be doing the same thing.
Montgomery County just announced it.
I'm never going to be able to go to the Metropolitan Museum of Art ever again in New York City.
I'm like being deleted out of society because I'm a strong, healthy, you know, man that has maybe I think I've had it before.
I remember March 2020 after CPAC.
Man, everybody was sick after CPAC.
tim pool
Well, and people got it at CPAC.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm going to Chicago and we're leaving tomorrow at some point.
And this is probably the last time I'll ever go to Chicago.
No joke.
I feel fortunate that I've been able to travel the world already because so many people can't.
And the response from the people in the cult are just like, why don't you just do as you're told?
And I'm like, because I don't agree with it.
Whether you're vaccinated or not, I think the mandates are absolutely wrong in Austria.
They're bringing out inspectors to go track people down and find them.
So what I think is going to happen is, what Chicago is basically saying is, for the foreseeable future, until we deem it safe.
It's never going to be safe.
jack murphy
Not ever, ever.
I do have TSA Pre, so I don't have to take my shoes off when I go on the airlines, but I still watch all those people go through the line, taking off their shoes, taking their laptops out of their bag, all these things.
That is never going to change.
I suspect the masks on the airplane, probably never going to change.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
I mean, who was it?
Someone already came out and said they should be permanent.
Was it Fauci?
lydia smith
I think it was Fauci.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think Fauci was like, everybody should wear masks forever.
Right.
jack murphy
And despite the fact that two CEOs of airlines came out and talked about how the air filters inside those planes make for like the cleanest possible air you could ever be in, possibly like takes out 99% of any possible COVID, uh, you know, infectious particles and whatnot.
Yeah.
These things are never going to change.
The new society we have to deal with.
tim pool
You know how they have those, when you're in a plane, they have the fan?
You can unscrew the thing and it blows the air out?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
So have you ever sat next to someone on a plane who farts a lot?
It happens, right?
Because what happens is there's lower pressure at a higher altitude.
So the plane is pressurized.
jack murphy
Fart science.
tim pool
No, it is.
Check it out.
The plane is pressurized, but it's still lower pressure than you would be on the ground.
And so the gas in your body expands and makes it more likely for you to fart.
Well, I've traveled so much, man.
I'll let you in on a tip.
Many people may already know this if you travel, but I used to fly twice a week.
So what I would do is I would open the vent and have the fan blow down to my right side to create a barrier.
And so when the fart would come out, the air would hit it and push it away.
You think I'm kidding?
unidentified
It works.
lydia smith
Brilliant.
tim pool
It works.
And so I bring this up because it should be true for anything, including, you know, the droplets.
Yeah, you turn the fan on, you have it below next to you, and you got a little wind barrier pushing away the air, and it pulls in air from other directions.
So not only that, but you're right, you got the filters in these airplanes.
They don't care, man.
jack murphy
One thing I've noticed, I've been traveling so much as well, I've got like executive platinum pro status on American Now.
Nobody gives a crap about wearing masks in the airport.
I have not been wearing mask in any airport.
I don't wear one until I get to the point of going on to the into the gate right down into the airplane.
Nobody cares.
I've seen people walk up with no mask on.
They don't say they just hand them a mask.
Don't say anything.
The only time that they required is on the plane.
You know what?
Not even all the time then.
unidentified
None.
No.
tim pool
No one says anything wrong.
require it in airports but there's no enforcement for the most part.
Like a TSA agent is going to walk up to you randomly and be like, put on a mask sir, no
one says anything.
No one says anything.
You need that plane though.
Right.
And then all of a sudden they're like, federal law says, there's no federal law.
There's a federal law that grants the president right to issue executive orders, and the president issued an executive order, and now they're claiming a federal one.
jack murphy
No, that's not how it works.
And this is emblematic of the problem of the bureaucratic state, where they create these vague laws, and then they empower this whole administrative state to then administer the laws in whatever way they see fit, and then they issue these rules, these mandates, and then the courts will adjudicate them, and effectively it becomes law at that point.
But you have basically an army of technocrats deciding the way that we have to live our lives today, and it's out of the power of the legislature.
Why hasn't Congress sat down and actually debated these very things on the floor of Congress and decided whether or not the people want to have that?
tim pool
Those times have come and gone.
jack murphy
Democracy?
tim pool
Republic?
You see the Babylon Bee article, it was like in terrible blow for democracy, majority representatives make decision for country or whatever.
jack murphy
Right, they're blaming it all on the one West Virginia senator.
And it's like, well, what about the other 50 guys that didn't vote for it as well?
It's ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
And you know what?
Kudos to that guy for holding his ground and making his decision.
He's under a lot of pressure.
I don't understand why he still caucuses with the Democrats.
He doesn't vote with them.
lydia smith
He's considering going independent.
jack murphy
Independent?
He should.
He should.
And the fact that they try to lay it all on him is just a ridiculous cop-out.
It's part of the Olinsky strategy of isolating targets and funneling all of the energy onto them and hopefully making it personal and hopefully getting them to crack.
It's in the book, Rules for Radicals, and they do it.
They isolate people, they target them.
Hell, I've seen people do that in my personal life.
tim pool
We got it.
I found it from Babylon Bee.
It says in stunning blow to democracy legislation decided by majority of elected representatives. Oh my gosh. I love
it stop the Because they keep saying like, how come one man is stopping us?
And it's like, it's 51 senators.
You're insane.
jack murphy
In a stunning blow.
Basically, democracy works in action.
A majority of elected representatives deny the passage of the bill.
Wow.
tim pool
Somebody just super chatted saying that they were denied seeing their kids by a judge because they're not vaccinated.
unidentified
I'm sorry to hear that for you.
jack murphy
I've heard this a number of times.
We've seen court orders where parents were not allowed to see their own children because of the vaccine.
tim pool
I don't know.
I don't know if we're going to win this one.
jack murphy
The vaccine.
tim pool
Yeah, I think the vaccine mandates will become law and people will get their routine injections and they're not, you know, give it five years and no one's going to even question it.
And the reason is, I think you've got cult members and cowards, and that makes up the bulk of what this country is.
So I can't remember who well first there was Clifton Duncan who had an amazing tweet
He said something to the effect of my disdain for covid. It's has been you know
Superseded by my by my disdain for those who know something is wrong and refuse to speak up. Yeah
so, you know every single person who Watched this in in the beginning and said I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna say anything I'm not going to put any risk to myself and are now suffering the consequences.
I mean, it's too late.
The time to speak up was a while ago.
Now that Chicago and D.C.
and other places are rolling these things out.
And we saw what happened in New York.
They will comply.
Regular people will drop to their knees to fillet the state with a smile on their face.
No, maybe not a smile on their face.
Maybe they'll be crying while they do it.
But, like, let's be real.
They're gonna do it.
And then what that means is there will be outliers.
There will be people who refuse to participate.
Some of these people who oppose, many of them who oppose the mandates, are vaccinated.
And these people will find themselves in the woods.
jack murphy
You know, or the the metaphorical woods, right?
You could still go to the grocery store.
You can still walk around on the streets.
You think they're really going to come after grocery stores?
tim pool
One hundred percent.
Yes.
In Austria, it's a mandate period.
Even in your own home, you must be vaccinated.
So they're hiring inspectors to do research and track people down and then issue them a 3,600 euro fine every quarter if they do not get vaccinated.
jack murphy
Well, in DC, not only now can they issue you a fine, but they can revoke your business and driver's licenses.
tim pool
They can't do it.
They do it.
And people drop to their knees and say, I will do anything you say, because they're losers.
jack murphy
They're going to take my driver's license, take my business license.
I will not comply.
I'm not complying.
I'm never going to comply.
Period.
End of story.
It would be nice if we could, like, maybe if it happens to me, we can...
unidentified
Agreed.
Yes, exactly.
jack murphy
lawsuit and try to fight this. But there's absolutely no way at this point because look,
it's the more they tell me I have to do it, the less I'm interested in complying. Yes,
tim pool
exactly. I will not ever comply. Not you know, the issue is I will not bend the knee to slimy
cultists.
You can show me all the science in the world and I'm going to say when the evil people are beating... It's like this.
Imagine you've got a despotic king and he's evil as evil can be and they beat and torture and maim and do all this really awful stuff.
And then they say, we are going to mandate everyone eat these delicious pomegranates.
I'd be like, you can't make me do anything.
I don't care.
I like pomegranates.
You know what I mean?
I think vaccines are great.
But the state taking this power, it's only going to get substantially worse.
So for me, it's like, it's very obvious.
If this is the path we're on.
You can only imagine how insane it will be a year from now.
Because you think about what the past two years have been like.
First, it was two weeks.
Then it was just wear a mask.
We've seen the memes.
It's just this.
It's just this.
Eventually, you see in Australia, they're rounding people up and putting them in camps, and they're justifying it.
And I'll tell you how scary it is.
jack murphy
It's not what Claire says.
tim pool
Yeah, when Claire Lehman of Quillette Is one of the cheerleaders for arresting people without due process and bringing them to a camp and saying it's normal?
Yo, we're in trouble, man.
jack murphy
How?
What is her deal, dude?
Because she was posting Instagram pictures from like, I guess the Olympic team, like stayed there briefly and saying like, this is who's staying there, Timmy.
tim pool
Hot babes.
That's who was staying there.
Don't you want to be there with the hot babes?
jack murphy
Do you remember when there was a hot minute when Quillette was like, oh, right on point, right on the cutting edge, like really doing the thing that they're supposed to do, really saying the right things, doing like actual science and thinking about it and reporting on real anti-woke stuff.
And then now she's like, it's just the Olympic team, man.
Don't worry about it.
tim pool
Well, she was making it seem like it was all hot babes.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
When it was actually just one propaganda moment from a year ago or whatever.
jack murphy
Right.
unidentified
Exactly.
jack murphy
So they have these... Do you think she did that unwittingly or is she an agent now?
tim pool
I think she's scared that the state will take everything away from her.
And she's in this position where she's not that famous, but she's famous enough, and she knows it.
She knows her option is stand on principle and be persecuted, or get on your knees and fillet the state, and at least you'll be fed irregularly.
jack murphy
Look, all this does is confirm to me that what we're doing in the liminal order even makes more sense.
We're building an independent network separate from the institutions.
We're finding ways to do our business with each other, invest in each other's companies.
All this drama that's going on around me right now, I literally could not give one single F.
Because all we're doing right now is like building businesses that are going to change the world.
We're building ways that people can get independent access and direct access to beef.
For example, look at modern T-Man.
He's working on getting a way to get direct access from the consumers to the beef producers so we can cut out the middlemen.
We're trying to find all kinds of ways to solve education problems, communications problems, Because you're going to have to get meaning, safety, security, entertainment, culture, and arts all from independent networks instead of the institutions.
Because institutions want you fat, sick, jailed, or you know, tied to your desk in debt for the rest of your life.
That's what they want.
tim pool
I think there's a lot of people who are choosing.
They know it's wrong.
They know what's going on is wrong.
And they're lying to themselves.
And just going along with it because You know, people are tribal beings.
So there's like this dude I know who he's tweeting about how he's like, I got the third shot and I was like, you're getting the fourth?
Yep.
And I'm like in the fifth and the sixth and they're like, it's endemic.
It's going to be like a flu shot.
And I'm like, yeah, I know, but you never got a flu shot before, dude.
Like I know you.
And all of a sudden you're just accepting these, this new normal.
jack murphy
I never got a flu shot ever.
I never get the flu shots, but when I was a kid I got one.
But I do have the measles, mump and rubella.
I do have the polio, pertussis, all those.
tim pool
I've got more vaccines than the average person substantially.
I've talked about it before.
Yeah, I was traveling.
So they give you all these crazy different shots.
And I received the flu shot when I was a kid.
jack murphy
It makes sense.
You're going to places where you can catch the disease just by standing.
tim pool
It's going to be amazing.
It's going to be, I think... I think it's going to be 36 feet at the peak.
And it's going to be 25 foot walls.
75 feet by 100 feet.
And then we're building the new studio.
It's going to be slightly bigger than the room we're in.
The room we're in now is about 15 by 32, I think, actually.
And the one we're building is gonna be 25 by 40.
So we're gonna have a much bigger room and it's gonna have one big glass window
overlooking the work facility.
It's gonna be amazing.
And so what we're doing there is, for one, we're going into a place where we don't gotta worry
about any of this stuff.
And maybe it's bad that we retreat or whatever, but man, I was in,
we were in the New Jersey area.
We were trying to buy a building and everything started to fall
apart when COVID happened.
And then ultimately we decided, you know, we could barely go
out because they had to stay at home orders.
And so it wasn't back then it was interesting
because no one was forcing you to stay home. It was just like we
were kind of doing it because we're like, OK, what else do we
do?
jack murphy
And we want it was nowhere to go.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah. Everything was closed down.
And so we would just sit around, but we had a backyard.
We had a fire pit.
Ian would make fires and we'd hang out.
jack murphy
We had a big skate park.
I remember seeing that the first time.
It wasn't super big.
tim pool
It was like 15 feet by 60 feet or something like that.
I guess that's... No, not 60 feet.
Actually, yeah, maybe it... No, maybe it was 50 feet.
I think it was 50 feet.
So it was like a big concrete platform.
So we were able to exercise.
We were able to barbecue and have fires.
But ultimately I was like, dude, this stuff's getting worse.
You know, like, we need to get out of here.
And so we decided to move out here.
Now it's expanding.
Chicago, DC, Boston.
They are absolutely going to go national with the mandates.
I don't see the red states escaping this.
But at the very least, you know, in West Virginia, we are so far removed from everything that I really don't see enforcement as being possible.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
jack murphy
And it comes down to the county sheriff, ultimately, right?
Is the county sheriff going to enforce these things?
And one thing that I remember when the Virginia governor was making noise that they were going to try to pass legislation that was going to really curtail Second Amendment rights.
A bunch of county sheriffs got together and were like, we will not enforce this.
Come at us.
And at the same time, uh, the West Virginia legislature, or at least one of the legislators there was like, Hey, all your county is in Virginia.
If you don't want to do that, come on over here to West Virginia.
And people act like it's such a crazy thing, but, um, hello, why does West Virginia exist in the first place?
tim pool
Because a civil war happened.
jack murphy
Well, I know, but they had different political ideas and they split up.
This is not an insane idea to have the states disassemble and reassemble in some capacity.
tim pool
Yo, it's a meme, but I think civil war is inevitable.
I absolutely do.
Because in Boston and Chicago, I know people in Chicago, because I'm from there, and a bunch of people I know have been posting things on Facebook like, I'm scared.
They're going to force me to do this.
It's crazy to hear from people I know being like, what do I do?
I'm going to lose my job.
What do I do?
They're going to make me do this.
And it's like, you have to leave.
You have to leave.
Y'all voted for this.
That's the funniest thing.
Some of these people are Biden voters, Democrat voters.
And with a smile on their face, they went in there and they rubber stamped Democrat, and now they're going, why is this happening to me?
Because you voted for it.
Because the people who voted for Ron DeSantis, I think they're pretty happy with their choice.
jack murphy
Dude, hair margin, though, man.
Remember, he barely beat Gillum.
Barely beat him.
Imagine the difference in the national conversation, too, if Gillum had won and DeSantis wasn't a voice.
tim pool
And then Gillum was found naked, drugged out.
jack murphy
Passed out at a gay orgy or something like that.
tim pool
And it's crazy that you have Navy veteran— Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Well, you just think about the kind of person you have to choose from in terms of leadership.
An irresponsible, you know, partier, or a Navy veteran.
And people almost went for the guy who was not a leader.
Look, I got no issue with people wanting to have gay orgies and do drugs.
I'm very libertarian.
I'm like, this is what makes America great.
You go off and you do your thing, and as long as you're not hurting other people, just, you know, leave kids out of it, leave us out of it, and you do your thing and you'll be happy.
But when it comes to leadership, I think we need somebody with leadership experience.
And this state almost went for Gillum instead of DeSantis.
There's a lot of things about DeSantis.
I don't agree with everything DeSantis does.
He's been criticized over free speech issues.
But I would take the military veteran over the drug-abusing partier guy.
jack murphy
Don't you think, though, if it comes down at a federal level that Gillum, or not Gillum, DeSantis, he'll resist.
Tennessee governor, they'll resist.
West Virginia, they'll resist.
A federal, I mean, look, we already have in practice today across the country, states actively resisting federal law.
tim pool
That's why I'm saying civil war, because look, But marijuana hasn't caused a civil war.
This is different, dude.
unidentified
But the concept is the same.
jack murphy
There's a federal law and the states are saying no.
tim pool
That's not the issue.
I could care less.
I'm sorry.
I could not care less.
That's the correct way to say it.
I could not care less if California legalized every drug on the planet and then some.
I don't live there.
I don't care.
It has nothing to do with me.
But when cities start saying you must undergo a permanent and irreversible medical procedure, people flee those cities and they go to red areas.
And some of these people are, you know, normies.
They're not going to be voting.
Some of them might vote Democrat.
But what you're doing is, right now in this country, what did Bill Maher say?
There can't be, there can't be a civil war in this country because the Mason-Dixon line would go through Nana's kitchen.
Ha ha ha, says the audience.
But that's because we had nothing but an ideological polarization.
What the vaccine mandates are doing is creating a geographical polarization.
Now you've got people like me who lived in the Philly suburbs who moved to West Virginia.
Because I'm like, I will not comply or live under the boot of these despots.
So I go to the place where everyone's like, we got guns, buddy.
And I'm like, I would like some of those guns too, sir.
unidentified
Let's go.
tim pool
The people who live in these cities who say no to the mandates have been fleeing and they're going to red areas.
So now the ideological polarization where you've got people in the New York area who are mixed, now New York City is hard left.
These are the people who gleefully all line up together to get on their knees to fillet the state.
And then you have the people who are like, I ain't doing that, moving out.
jack murphy
Right.
So my vector on this was federal law needs to be enforced.
So there will be areas of the country who resist the enforcement of the federal law.
tim pool
It's not the federal law, bro.
It's the state laws.
It's the local laws.
jack murphy
But you think that the Tennessee governor is going to be like, all right, everybody get vaxxed.
tim pool
Why would he do that?
jack murphy
That's what I'm saying.
tim pool
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that Mayor Bill de Blasio is going to say, I'm going to take away your paycheck.
And then 20% of the city is going to say, we will leave New York City.
jack murphy
Do it.
tim pool
Then you're going to have those 20% that lean conservative moving into more conservative areas.
And the polarization is now geographical.
jack murphy
Yeah, it's accelerated.
tim pool
Then you get the June 2022 Supreme Court ruling on Roe v. Wade.
The left seems to think Roe v. Wade is done for, and if that's the case, now you have hard leftist, overtly progressive or communist or socialist factions in cities, and red states that have become overwhelmingly red, and then you get a wedge issue.
Blue states saying, we are going to run, you know, abortion clinics in violation of, you know, federal law or whatever, and then you'll end up with people fighting over it.
So have you heard my assessment on that regard, my potentialities I've stated about this?
jack murphy
No.
tim pool
So NBC News, Slate, a bunch of left journalists said that based on the oral arguments on Roe v. Wade on the Mississippi law, the Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade June 2022.
That's what the left believes.
I don't know if it'll actually happen because who knows, many of these conservatives are going to be like, well, it's settled law.
But let's say they do.
What does that really mean?
Well, it means 12 states have trigger laws which will instantly ban abortion.
Then you're going to have the midterms.
And it's gonna get rowdy.
If a red wave actually happens, Republicans will absolutely put forth a bill to federally ban abortion.
They absolutely will.
And they will have the votes to do it.
Now, I don't know if it's definitive.
I'm just saying, if the Supreme Court does this, if there's a red wave, The Republicans very likely would do this.
Joe Biden very likely would veto it.
Then comes 2024.
You now have geographically polarized regions.
The cities have become overwhelmingly blue and subservient to the state, and the red states have become overwhelmingly libertarian and anti-establishment.
And then you get a Donald Trump victory or a Ron DeSantis victory, and they say, the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to sign the federal abortion ban.
And the moment they do, like John Podesta asked of the West Coast, you will see blue states start to act overtly in defiance of federal law and seek to secede.
Or maybe that's too much.
Maybe modern sensibilities prevent them from doing it.
I guarantee you, though, if we ever get to the point where there's a federal abortion ban, you will see blue states defy that, and then you will probably see Conservative and Republican executive authority going in and shutting these things down, which results in a dramatic escalation of conflict.
When you have geographical polarization plus states defying federal law to the point where it's the issue of babies, you know, and abortion, I think it's very simple.
When it comes to marijuana laws, you are not going to see a conservative be like, we have to stop these dispensaries.
When it comes to abortion, you absolutely will have conservatives being like, we have to go in and stop them from killing babies.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
You know, there is an interesting moral argument to be had here about making a union with somebody who has a different moral framework.
For example, when the union was being formed back in revolutionary times, there was a lot of people, plenty up North, who didn't want to be in a country with the slave states.
Yep.
But there was a moral argument to be had which is if we don't form a country with the slave states they will then form their own country and then their country will be based on this immoral thing and it'll be left alone to prosper.
And so the moral argument was actually to incorporate those slave states into the Union so that over time the idea of natural law and natural rights would be able to overcome slavery.
tim pool
And that led to a civil war.
jack murphy
I don't think so.
I think it resolved slavery in the sense that that was it.
set in motion and the Civil War resolved that issue and then we resolved it.
Right.
So there is a question.
tim pool
And I don't think so.
I think it resolved slavery in the sense that that was it.
And then it took a couple years before we finally totally purged it.
But the conflict of the Civil War has never stopped.
It's really interesting how... It's probably a bit reductive to frame it this way, but, you know, just reading history and following the presidency and the elections, when I see, like, everyone's like, this is all because of Obama when Obama got elected.
And then I'm like, OK, so I read about Obama and everyone's like, Obama got elected because of Bush.
It's all because of Bush.
Then you go back to 2000, Gore versus Bush.
Then you go back to Clinton.
There is always something that, as a catalyst, leads us to this moment of polarization.
And I think it's fair to say that, in many ways, the Civil War never ended.
But I'll give you a better example to understand, you know, the simplicity of this.
It's not a complicated thing.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
It's very simple.
There's this really great meme.
It's not really a meme.
It's kind of just like a tweet.
And they say how geographical formations from the Paleolithic era affects modern-day voting practices.
And what they show is that in the American South, there used to be a coastline which layered a bunch of minerals in a band across southern states.
This created the most fertile farmland.
So then when the plantation owners moved there, they brought all their slaves to this fertile farmland.
Then, when slavery ended, and today, that area is overwhelmingly Democrat and always votes Democrat.
So people are pointing out how this geographical formation ultimately resulted in this band of Democrat voters in the South.
So what I mean to say is, I read about the Civil War.
Read about was it 1872 or 1876 where they where they they decided the president by committee
I don't recall this one. So this is let me see if I can pull this one up. I think it was 1872
I could be wrong. It might have been six the 1872 election, let's see
No, maybe it was the next one One of these elections was decided by committee.
And it was because there was a dispute among the states as to which electors were real and which ones were like the legitimate ones.
And this resulted in a compromise that ended the reconstruction.
jack murphy
Boy, that sounds awfully familiar to a memo that I heard was written and presented to Mike Pence sometime in January.
tim pool
It was 76.
Yeah.
It was a compromise between Democrats and Republicans.
The Democrats, of course, were the Southern slave owners and racists.
And, you know, after the Civil War was over, you ended with the Union going and occupying the South in the Reconstruction era.
And then this election happened.
And it was so contentious that there was fear the Civil War was going to break out again.
And so they said, what do we do to make sure that doesn't happen?
We will compromise.
And so they ultimately said, okay, Democrats.
I think they gave it to the Democrats, right?
Let's see.
Who actually became president?
I think it was the Democrat.
I'm not sure.
But ultimately they were like, this will end reconstruction.
Or I think they ended reconstruction in exchange for the Republican getting it.
I can't remember.
I was reading it before.
Yeah, James Buchanan, all this stuff.
jack murphy
So anyway, it was says it was the second of five presidential elections in which the person who
won the most popular vote did not win the election. The result of the main election,
tim pool
second of five person in with a high quality content. Yeah, man.
unidentified
So there we go.
tim pool
Electoral Disputes and the Compromise of 1877.
So, I started reading about this, and then I'm like, oh wow, they were still fighting.
Then you read about how the Democrats, you know, fought back after losing the Civil War with the Klan.
Then you read about how this resulted in the Civil Rights, like, this ultimately brought us the Civil Rights era, and how the Democrats decided to change their strategy in other ways.
And history is really dependent upon which political tribe you believe in.
The Democrats will tell you that it's at this point in the civil rights era that Democrats
realized the folly of their ways and decided to help those who are minorities because that
was the path towards winning and the Republicans adopted the Southern strategy and decided
to start working with the racists and I don't believe that's true.
jack murphy
I don't either.
tim pool
The other the other the other idea which is a bit more conspiratorial is that Democrat
politicians realized the path towards suppressing minorities and maintaining their racism was
to control these groups and thus they felt that that was their path forward.
jack murphy
I mean, Matt Stoller, we've talked about Matt before, he wrote an amazing book where he outlined, I believe the guy's name was Fred Dutton, I could be wrong on that, where he was a democratic strategist in the 60s and he wanted to capture the vote of minorities and homosexuals and independent women and feminist women.
Because he believed that that was the way to gain power, and they wanted to become anti-white male.
And that was the turn that happened in the 60s and the 70s, and we still see that play out today.
I mean, the stats are really freaking clear.
tim pool
Who was that?
It was the landslide.
Who ran against Nixon?
jack murphy
Goldwater?
tim pool
No, no, Reagan Mondale, I think.
jack murphy
Reagan Mondale, yeah.
tim pool
Mondale was the guy who was like, I'm gonna form a coalition of the minorities and the women and the downtrodden, and then he got, like, obliterated in the election.
Here's what people need to understand about these elections.
So this wasn't 1980, this was 1984, right?
lydia smith
I think so.
tim pool
So here's what people really don't get about what a 49-state landslide is.
1984 election, come on.
jack murphy
Was it Minnesota, I think?
tim pool
Look at all these, Wikipedia's got everybody.
Uh, was it?
Where's United States?
Come on, Wikipedia, there we go, United States.
Why is this so difficult?
Presidential election, there we go.
Yep, it was Walter Mondale and Reagan.
And you know what people don't realize first?
When I say 49 state landslide, what do people imagine?
They imagine out of 100 million people, 90 million people voted One Direction and everyone's cheering and celebrating and saying, this is the guy we wanted, we're all in agreement, this country is unified?
jack murphy
Yeah, it wasn't like that, was it?
tim pool
No, it wasn't like that at all.
And so younger people don't get this.
Ronald Reagan got 54 million votes to Walter Mondale's 37 million.
It was 58% to 40%!
Decisive.
jack murphy
Absolutely decisive.
In the era where we're used to things being 48 to 48 and decided by 77,000 votes and whatnot.
tim pool
This is nearly half, almost half the country opposing Ronald Reagan, but 49 states granting their electoral votes to him.
jack murphy
Abolish the Electoral College!
tim pool
That's right.
Well, I mean, this is why.
Because these 49 state landslides tend to favor Republicans.
This is one of the, you're making a face like it's not true.
jack murphy
I think statistically speaking, you could favor either party, but historically speaking, right?
tim pool
It's been Nixon.
It's been Reagan.
jack murphy
Right.
Interesting.
tim pool
Was it Nixon?
Wasn't, weren't there three finance landslides?
jack murphy
We are a union of states.
I believe in that.
The question, this comes up every election, right?
It's like, but the question we need to ask ourselves is like, how would you induce states into a union today?
You have to give them power.
This is about keeping the union together.
And this is what people don't understand about being hardcore ideological, even on a moral level, versus statesmanship and prudence.
How are you going to actually get something done?
And is it okay to make compromises on certain values here and there in order to have your primary values or the one that's most important to you have success?
Statesmanship is an entirely different thing than being an ideologue and statesmanship requires prudence and prudence is difficult.
Prudence by its very definition is about making tough decisions between two competing interests that you have.
And that's what people are facing all across the country right now when it comes to do I comply with this VAX mandate?
Do I have my kid take the VAX if he doesn't take the VAX and he can't go to school if he doesn't get educated that he can't get a job if he doesn't get a job etc etc or do I stand up for this?
I mean this is why prudence It's such a difficult thing to teach.
It's a difficult thing to experience.
Statesmanship is way different than just writing a book about theory and trying to say, this is the way everything should be.
Abraham Kennedy, for example, is not a statesman, right?
He's an ideologue.
He's not a guy that knows how to get things done and make compromises.
tim pool
They're overt about it.
They admit it.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
There's like, I guess there's some interview where he says, we realized that everything was indoctrination, so we decided, why don't we indoctrinate?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, why?
I get it.
lydia smith
I respect that.
tim pool
That's the funny thing, too.
Like, everything, like, is indoctrination.
jack murphy
Yes.
tim pool
And it's funny how there's a lot of people calling for banning books in schools.
I just find that really funny, the critical race theory stuff.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't know if we really want to ban the books from the schools.
We want to ban the praxis of the books.
Like, the teachers should explain the books to kids.
You know, the stuff where it's got people performing adult activities in them, which they did have in schools.
Yeah, that's a little different.
You know, we're not talking about ideologies.
I don't like the idea of banning books because of their ideology.
But I don't like the idea of teaching the ideology.
jack murphy
And you know, what's funny is even the book burners don't even really think about that because they're like, oh yeah, there's this, the book, the Marx Marxist book is in the library, Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital.
That's in the library.
So is Adam Smith.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
Nobody cares that they're both in the library.
What do you, you can't have them both.
If you're a book burner, you can't have both those books in the library, but, but it's, it's all just weapons.
tim pool
How do you explain to a zealot?
You know what I mean?
I remember, uh, My whole life, there's never been a real issue, as far as I could tell, about... I mean, there's been some peripheral issues about prayer in school, like, oh, it shouldn't happen.
But most people were like, okay, public schools shouldn't do that.
We get it.
Fine.
Whatever.
jack murphy
But now you have... That's a new thing, man.
tim pool
But now we have prayer in schools.
They're just contemplating on whiteness, which as far as I'm concerned is no different.
jack murphy
Right.
Well, it's a really fascinating thing to see how the woke thing is really a religion with sacrament and ritual and visual representations and all these things that echo religious experiences.
And what it really tells me, which is something that I have learned over these last several years, is that God, man, you need it.
It's there.
You need it.
There's a hole in us that needs to be filled and we all yearn for some sort of understanding of the universe that makes us not feel insignificant.
One of the most incredible things that I've discovered as I've been reading the Bible and praying and trying to understand Him and come to some level of faith, Is that, uh, instead of like coming up with a model of the world to justify my behaviors or justify my actions or, or perceptions, there's like a ready-made model that unites you with the universe, with creation, with living a good life, with having good outcomes.
And that is actually really comforting to know that the system has been in place for a long time and it works for a lot of people.
And when you come across somebody that really believes and really practices, you can feel that energy come right out of their face.
It's incredible.
tim pool
I don't think everyone needs religion or needs God, but I think most people probably need something.
They need some version of this faith system.
I've talked to a lot of people about psychedelics and psilocybin and stuff like that, and they're like, man, people really need this stuff.
Yeah, I don't think I do.
People say it's very good, it can open your mind.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't think I need that to consider new ideas or change my opinions and be open to exploring this.
Maybe that's just me.
I personally don't feel like I need to have any kind of guiding faith force in my life.
That being said, I do believe in God.
jack murphy
That's why you don't feel any need for it, brother.
tim pool
Maybe, maybe that's it.
Maybe I, you know, I guess people who lack that are lost and scared and confused.
jack murphy
Yeah.
Because if you think about it, you're just a lump of cells on a planet in a cold, dark, infinite universe.
If you really put yourself in that, it is, but if you put yourself there for no reason and no purpose randomly by accident, well, yeah.
Life's insignificant and you're facing the infinite, infinite, but that's, that's purpose.
tim pool
That's not God.
You know what I mean?
You can believe in God and still believe that you have no purpose.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
I don't like purpose.
jack murphy
So, so maybe purpose is a better purpose and meaning are two different things.
I guess.
tim pool
Maybe some people find their purpose through God and some people have nothing.
And so they create purpose and ideology.
jack murphy
You know, what's interesting is that mood follows motion, activity is life, and the Christians say, love thy neighbor.
So if you love your other neighbor and you act it and you put it into motion and you become active in this regard, you get filled with the love and energy that makes those questions go away.
You just don't think about it because you're filled with good energy.
It's incredible.
tim pool
The cult members hope that once they purge people like you and I or everyone who's watching, they will have a pure utopia world.
Because I'll tell you, communism Can work.
It can't.
jack murphy
Scale.
It's all about scale.
tim pool
No, no, no, but at a very, very large scale of even a billion people, communism can work.
It's very simple.
You just have to kill anyone who opposes it.
jack murphy
Right, exactly.
tim pool
And so, literally it means it doesn't work because you have to kill everybody, but that's why they always do it.
Because when the communists gain power, they say, what's stopping us from having everyone march in lockstep like worker ants?
It's these free-thinking dissidents.
jack murphy
Yeah.
My good friend Joe Norman, who is a complexity scientist and teaches people complexity science, you should check him out.
Joe Norman.
He's been on my podcast, Jack Murphy Live, a couple of times.
What he's taught me is that everything is about scale.
Everything is about scale.
One idea can work at one scale and it won't work at a different scale.
In my family, it is communist.
It's expected that I can deliver the goods and everybody else gets what they need according to their needs.
And that's beautiful.
And I love it.
It's perfect.
But as the scale gets bigger and bigger and bigger, you need a different forming algorithm or forming ideology.
tim pool
It's simple, bro.
Imagine if someone was like, a car is a tool that can go from point A to point B. I need to move 3,000 pounds of bricks and I have a car.
It should work, right?
It's like, no, you need a different vehicle for that process.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
No, that's exactly right.
tim pool
So if our goal is to move resources from person to person on a small family level, yeah, it's great.
You're a commune.
You're a family.
Someone's the boss.
There's varying degrees of who's in charge, depending on what resources you have, and everyone gets what they need.
But if you want to move resources in a large scale civilization, you need capitalism.
The funny thing is the left doesn't know what the word capitalism means.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And I think that's part of the indoctrination.
Change definitions and you can confuse people.
So it's funny when you see leftists complain about communism, but call it capitalism.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
They complain about the state controlling resources and colluding with the powerful elites to dictate who gets what.
And they're like, it's capitalism, man!
It's like capitalism just very plainly means, and I believe capitalism came from Marx anyway, very plainly means the private trade of goods, meaning an individual can trade freely as they choose, period.
We are not in a pure capitalist system, by the way.
jack murphy
Not even close.
tim pool
Yeah.
We're in a, we're in a very constructed and controlled economy.
jack murphy
Right.
Well, and the government works to pick winners and losers and especially pick losers.
We're feeling that you can't even work if you don't do exactly what we say.
This is an issue for sure.
And of course, we've evolved into like an oligarchic state.
It's corporate feudalism.
And you don't even really going to own anything, which is what they want.
Private.
It's interesting.
I had a conversation with Alexander Dugin, a Russian philosopher.
People call him Putin's lapdog, whatever.
He and I talked about this very issue and he said that he wants to get rid of capitalism.
And I was like, well, you know, you might not have a lot of fans over here in the United States.
If you keep talking about getting rid of capitalism, he's like, no, no, no.
I don't mean get rid of private property.
I just mean get rid of what's happened today.
What capitalism has turned into.
And that got my interest a little bit.
And you know, the guy's a little crazy and he's got some seriously out there ideas and he's done some probably pretty bad things.
But he was interesting to talk to because, you know, he's an influential guy.
And I can see how inequality, the concentration of wealth in the hands of very few people, leads to negative outcomes.
And of course, we would want more people to share in the bounty that we've created.
But if you believe in humanity, if you believe in individuals, then you will believe in individual outcomes, and you will believe in differing outcomes.
And the founders were very clear on this.
Different faculties lead to different outcomes, and we need to preserve that.
tim pool
Let's talk about Mr. Elon Musk.
jack murphy
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
From CNBC, Elon Musk says he will pay over $11 billion in taxes this year.
Did you see the Babylon Bee interview they did with him?
jack murphy
I did.
I saw a little bit of it where the guys sitting around interviewing him were so cringe, actually.
They're like, uh, we don't even know why we're talking to you.
I was like, bro, he's there.
He agreed.
You just need to ask questions with confidence.
But I didn't, I didn't see all that.
tim pool
But uh, Elon, come on the show, man.
Um, I tweeted at Elon once.
He tweeted at me.
We're friends!
jack murphy
And together, you guys are going to pay $12 billion in taxes this year.
tim pool
That's right.
So I'm disappointed in this.
I think Elon should not have done this.
He did it to make a point and to try and defang people like Elizabeth Warren, which, OK, I suppose is still a good thing.
Here's what I think happened.
They've been saying people who are wealthy should pay taxes on their wealth, the wealth tax.
So Elon Musk was like, okay, should I liquidate my stock and then pay taxes on it?
And people were like, do it. He said, okay, I will. So he ends up giving the government $11
billion in taxes, which empowers really awful people to make a point. I suppose, I suppose,
jack murphy
in that, in that, uh, it's a very expensive point. I think it's so expensive that you might want to
think that there's a different motive there. I, I.
Maybe he's been waiting to liquidate those assets and this gave him a good reason to do it, etc.
You never know.
You never know when he's making tweets about crypto markets.
tim pool
I don't think he cares about the money.
There's a certain amount of money where you don't care.
jack murphy
But to him, money means Mars.
Money means space.
Money means advancing the universe.
Just like you tell me, Tim, you know, you tell me you're not all about the money.
What you're all about is building new things, creating new opportunities, starting these nonprofits, having a serious impact on the world.
You're a philanthropist already.
He's a philanthropist and somebody who's working towards the betterment of society, I believe.
tim pool
Sure, sure.
So what I was going to say in the Babylon Bee interview, he talks about how he came to be worth so much money and the richest person in the world.
And he said, he doesn't have the money.
He started a company.
He owns, I think what is he on?
20% of the stock or something.
And he's like, I own 20% of the stock in a company.
The investors decided the company was worth $1 trillion.
So my stock is worth $200 billion.
I didn't do anything.
I don't have any money.
They've just decided that.
And now we get Elizabeth Warren being like, he's not paying any taxes
because she is a despicable person.
jack murphy
Because you know she knows.
tim pool
She sold out Bernie Sanders and they still, they still come for her.
jack murphy
You know she understands the difference between paper investment gains and actual earned income.
You know, she knows the difference between these things.
Did, uh, did the bill pass that had the clause in it that said that we were going to be taxed on unrealized capital gains?
tim pool
I don't think so.
unidentified
I haven't heard it anymore.
jack murphy
Because the bill that says that you're going to be taxed on your mileage driven that did pass.
Yeah, that did pass.
There's provision in there to create a pilot program to test out the best way to tax people on their mileage driven.
And the number that they were tossing around was insane.
It was something like eight cents a mile.
That's like 2000 bucks a year for the average person.
tim pool
Elon basically is coming out now saying, I've paid more taxes than any other person in history and Elizabeth Warren doesn't pay taxes.
But she'll still keep lying because these people are evil.
And Elon Musk did this to make a point, but it doesn't matter, dude.
jack murphy
There's a very interesting analysis to be made of who, where, is it for the betterment of society that the government now has that 11 billion or if Elon Musk had that 11 billion?
tim pool
So the Young Turks had on Ari the Rugged Man to capitalize.
After?
unidentified
No!
tim pool
Yeah, and Cenk was like looking at the camera constantly like just trying to bait me into a drama thing.
Oh my god.
I don't think like he knows at all who I am or whatever.
But so what I decided to do is, I had so many people saying like, you don't need to prove anything Tim!
You don't need to respond to them!
And I'm like, no no no, hold on.
So, you know, the rugged man comes on the show and he says, my experience has never happened.
I'm lying.
And I'm like, I just find it really funny that like they admit and acknowledge I am mixed race.
They admit and acknowledge he is a white man and that they agree with him when he laughs at someone who says I'm mixed race and I experienced racism.
I want that, that narrative to persist.
I'm glad the young Turks made that video.
jack murphy
God, those guys are so trashy.
tim pool
So I did a video with my sister, and I put it up at 1pm on youtube.com slash timcastnews, 40 minutes long, where we basically talk about our childhood growing up and why I wanted to address the Young Turks.
And I didn't do it to prove any point necessarily to them.
I don't need the Young Turks to believe me.
I need you To believe me.
What I mean by this is, when the Young Turks come out and they say Tim Pool lied and made all this stuff up, there will be people watching saying, yeah, I wonder if he really did lie and make that stuff up.
And I'll say, okay, I will have my sister on, and we will talk about everything we've been through, as embarrassing as it is for my family and whatever people end up thinking about us, because I'm telling you the truth.
And I want people to then look at the Young Turks and see how they're despicable racists, and I want them to look at me and my family and say, these people are talking about the true struggles they've been through.
The reason I bring that up is because when people started commenting and saying, like, you don't need to prove anything to them, they are 100% correct.
I didn't do it to prove anything to the Young Turks.
I did it so regular people can see it.
I kind of feel like Elon might be doing some of that to sort of, like, let people know he's not that guy.
You know, to use the meme.
He's not the dude who's going to exploit everybody and take all this money, and that he's more interested in going to space, and it just so happens he has this money.
I do kind of feel like part of it, though, was to prove a point to the Democrats, and he gave the government money, which he didn't need to do.
He did not need to sell billions of dollars in stock and then pay the government all this money.
He could have just kept it in stock and said, I have no reason to take the money out.
jack murphy
I mean, if he's paying $11 billion in taxes, how much did he liquidate and how much did he end up in his pocket?
You gotta sell a lot of stock to pay $11 billion in taxes.
tim pool
$11 billion in taxes.
jack murphy
Or 20%, right?
20% capital gains or is it a little bit higher?
tim pool
Yeah, I think it's $28,000 because it might be higher than that.
It might be way higher than that because of Biden.
It might actually be like $40,000 or something.
jack murphy
He netted a good bit.
tim pool
Yo, people need to understand what a billion dollars is.
jack murphy
It's a thousand millions.
tim pool
It's crazy.
You would not be able to spend it.
I'm not exaggerating.
You would not be able to spend it.
People don't get this, man.
There was this thread about... Well, it depends on what you're doing, right?
jack murphy
Because that new Tesla factory apparently is like some 10,000 football fields in size.
I mean, I'm exaggerating, but I think it's something as insane as that, right?
tim pool
I don't think you'd be able to spend it.
jack murphy
As an individual consumer, yeah.
tim pool
As an individual, so if you as a business are seeking to build a factory that's a thousand football fields or whatever, the logistics in that is going to be way beyond one person making a purchase.
This is going to be a massive undertaking of different companies and different CEOs.
An individual would not be able to spend that money.
Elon Musk liquidating this money, he's probably shrugging saying, I don't know.
Because bro, a super yacht, what do those go for?
Like 30 million or something?
30 million?
So what, you got 970 million left?
Like, I guess you can buy 10 of them, but then you got to maintain them.
Like, it's just, there's a certain amount of wealth where you're sitting there confused as to what you're even doing.
jack murphy
Well, you have to hire people to figure out how to spend it.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess.
jack murphy
You hire people to figure out how to manage it, you hire people to figure out how to spend it, and then you hire people to figure out how to defend it, and then where to invest it.
This is where the idea of a family office comes in.
These people literally have to hire folks to manage their money.
unidentified
For what?
jack murphy
For philanthropy eventually, right?
tim pool
I suppose.
You know, I feel like when you're at the point where Elon's at, I wonder why doesn't Elon take a billion dollars and say, who wants to start a media organization to go after the fake news and the liars?
jack murphy
Well, I mean, isn't he, I know Peter Thiel at least has used some of his money to his foundation, which is for education, which is to produce new entrepreneurs.
So, you know, they're, they're giving pieces back.
I think maybe they have different priorities, you know, they have different priorities in terms of what their philanthropy can do and how it can affect the world.
These are smart guys making calculated decisions.
There's no question about that.
tim pool
If I had a billion dollars, I would know exactly how to begin allocating things towards solving a lot of these problems.
And so I suppose it's as simple as Elon Musk wants to go to Mars.
He has a different perspective on what the problems are, and that's something his company has to do.
But my point is to be someone like Elon and know they're lying.
Know the media lies all the time.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
And to have the ability to effectively snap your fingers and challenge that machine.
jack murphy
But he can already do that with Twitter and social media.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, he can't.
Look, how much did Bezos buy the Washington Post for?
A couple hundred million?
jack murphy
Yeah, peanuts basically.
tim pool
Peanuts?
Well, I mean relative to his net worth.
Elon Musk could be like, I could fund that three times over and set up three Washington Post operations that'll operate indefinitely.
The Guardian operates off an endowment.
They just generate interest off of all the money they have that helps fund everything.
Elon Musk could literally be like, Okay, here's a billion dollars towards the Babylon Bee guys.
Hey, you know people who are challenging the machine.
You guys make jokes about it all day.
Figure it out.
jack murphy
Maybe he doesn't see it as a problem like you do.
Maybe it's just not on his radar.
And maybe he's being more efficient with his capital allocation.
Who knows?
Maybe you just can't be everything to everybody.
Why am I over here carrying water for you?
Like, I have no idea.
tim pool
I think he's a cool dude.
I like him.
I don't think he's perfect.
I think he does a lot of dumb stuff, but I think he's a good dude.
And I think he's genuine.
He wants to try and he wants to be honest.
That's why he's giving away all this.
That's why he liquidated these assets and is paying the billions in taxes.
jack murphy
You know what I liked about the fact that he did the Babylon Bee interview?
He's like, oh, well, I read all your stuff.
unidentified
Right?
jack murphy
It's not like he needs to go on the show to sell anything or to pimp anything or whatever, you know, but he goes on the show because he's like, they, they, he, he quoted back to them their own headlines.
unidentified
I know.
jack murphy
And, and they're like, wow, the one guy was like, wow, you, you know, our content better, better than we do.
And that's just hilarious to me.
It really was actually humanizing.
Maybe he did it just for fun, but maybe it's the same reason that Northrop Grumman puts advertisements on Hulu, just so that we all just get accustomed to thinking Northrop Grumman is a good thing, because I'm not buying F-16s.
I don't know about you.
tim pool
Someone super chatted, if I had Elon's money, Gundams would be real and functional.
Do you know what a Gundam is?
jack murphy
A Gundam?
tim pool
A Gundam.
jack murphy
Is that like a gun kingdom?
tim pool
It's a gigantic robot from an anime.
The pilots are in gigantic mechanized, you know, giant robots.
jack murphy
Like Voltron kind of?
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
And yes, I tweeted at Elon Musk, why haven't you built an Iron Man suit yet?
And he responded, building Starship.
And then I said, that is an acceptable response.
That is acceptable.
That's cool.
Cause my point was basically like, why aren't you going crazy?
Like you have, you're, you're an eccentric dude.
Why aren't you just being like, it is time.
jack murphy
Work is life.
And if you're that guy, or if you're me, or if you're somebody else who's working nine to five, work is life.
Get up, work hard, be tired.
tim pool
That is I get it. I get it. I get it. If I had a billion dollars, you know, I would do I would hire a prank monkey
like mr Burns, you ever see that Simpsons episode where he hires
Homer as his prank monkey And then he like he's like, you know Homer splash Lenny and
then he does then mr Burns laughs and then Homer splashes car and goes good God
man That's Carl and then he's like he helps Carl to the
chemical watch. You know what I would do. I'd hire a prank monkey
What would their job be I'd be like I want you to just culture jam
Bye billboards!
jack murphy
Culture jam.
tim pool
Buy commercials.
Do things that shock people out of their routine.
I want someone driving down Sunset Boulevard to see like a billboard that is confusing as confusing can be.
Just weird, disruptive, confusing stuff.
Just kind of like to shake society by the shoulders and be like, this is nuts.
You know what I would do if I had a billion dollars?
I would buy every billboard in Times Square and say, vaccine mandates are wrong.
jack murphy
You know, that's an interesting thing to consider.
tim pool
That doesn't cost that much money!
jack murphy
Would they sell them to you?
Knowing that that's what you were going to say.
tim pool
Didn't Veritas have one?
jack murphy
Did they?
lydia smith
Yeah, they did, I think.
tim pool
Project Veritas, did they get a Times Square thing?
I don't remember.
unidentified
I do remember they had a billboard.
jack murphy
Did you see the funding that they achieved for this?
tim pool
$22 million!
jack murphy
Bro, that is a good chunk of change.
That is a lot of operatives in the field.
tim pool
Yeah, Veritas had a Times Square billboard.
unidentified
Oh, snap!
tim pool
Yeah, COVID gangbusters with their ratings.
unidentified
Yep.
lydia smith
Twitter banned us.
They can't ban the truth.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Money talks, baby.
Maybe some of them wouldn't, but you could do so much to change the world for the better if you had this money, and they don't do it.
jack murphy
But you, sir, are doing it bit by bit with what you've got.
unidentified
They do do it, and they doo-doo all over it.
tim pool
Mackenzie Bezos putting billions of dollars into critical race theory.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, it's just the problem is even Jack.
Yep, that's right.
He funded that that Academy or something.
jack murphy
Jack Dorsey funded Ibrahim Kendi.
tim pool
Yep.
jack murphy
To the tune of millions and millions and millions of dollars.
And that means that means Jack Dorsey is on the wrong side.
Jack Dorsey's evil.
Jack Dorsey is trying to lead America off the cliff.
tim pool
He's trying.
Well, I think you basically have is a really dumb guy.
jack murphy
Jack?
tim pool
Yeah.
Who's like leading people towards their destruction thinking he's helping them.
Oh, you know, um, I don't I don't mean like, I guess I guess it's a little bit too blunt.
jack murphy
Dumb guy.
Come on.
tim pool
Ignorant.
jack murphy
Ignorant.
There you go.
Big difference.
tim pool
That's what I was saying.
A little too lowbrow, a little too blunt.
I think in a lot of ways he's a smart dude.
He started Twitter and he started Square and they're very successful.
Square is one of the most successful financial processing companies.
But to be as blind and ignorant in politics and to fund this evil?
Like, come on.
Dumb might be a little blunt, but it's a little emotional too.
Where's Peter Thiel and Elon Musk doing the inverse?
Elon Musk goes in the Babylon Bee.
Okay, Elon, dude, give the Babylon Bee guys like a hundred million bucks.
jack murphy
I think Peter does a lot of stuff behind the scenes.
Sure.
tim pool
I think so.
jack murphy
He funds things.
He pushes agendas.
I think he's more savvy in this regard than Jack, for sure.
tim pool
Elon Musk, give the Babylon Bee a hundred million dollars.
jack murphy
But look, we're suffering from the same problem that a lot of people have, which is like, why won't that guy do something?
The thing is, is that you're already doing something.
So I'm not diminishing what you're doing.
I'm doing what I can do.
Everybody needs to do what they can do.
They have to do their little part.
They have to do their medium part.
They have to do their big part.
And we can't just sit around and be like, well, why doesn't the trillionaire do it?
And, and that's not you.
And that's not me.
And that's not the people that we know, but I just, you know, I think it's very easy for people to take the position of like, well, why isn't he doing it?
When is the savior going to come?
When is the daddy figure going to come fix everything for us?
You have to, as Ronald Reagan said, all meaningful change, positive change in America starts at the dining room table.
tim pool
I get it.
jack murphy
And that's where we have to start.
tim pool
I agree, but what I mean is, so we're certainly doing stuff.
We've got two foundations.
We've got the Technology Foundation, which is the On Foundation, which is building tech.
We've got an Alpha that's in production, which will create a decentralized social media system.
It will effectively give everyone a snap of a finger subscription website that interlinks with other websites, so you'll never be banned.
You go on Patreon, you can get banned.
You go on Locals, you can get banned.
You go on any one of these platforms, you can get banned.
If you own the space, if you own the domains and own all that, they have to ban you one at a time.
The domain host has to remove your domain.
The server company has to kick you off the servers.
You know, all of those things have to have your cloud, you know, storage.
If you have all of these decentralized, it's harder to remove you and you can even own the servers in your own home.
That's the one thing we're doing.
We also have the Truth in Media Foundation, which is going to be a fact-checking website, and we are going to fact-check all of these deceptive and manipulative news articles.
They say, oh, we're trying to stop misinformation.
We're like, well, we're going to do that.
We're actually going to do it.
And we're going to track and we're going to label these companies.
That's something that I can do, and it's not easy to do.
It's been very expensive.
Filing all this stuff, dedicating all the hours to doing the paperwork, to running two different nonprofits.
jack murphy
It's massive.
tim pool
And I don't have a billion dollars.
That's what I'm saying.
As this company grows and more and more people become members at TimCast.com and support our work, those funds are being allocated towards expanding the work we do.
So, like, what's the expense that we have?
Like, we have all these members.
We're making money.
I'm building a production facility in West Virginia that's going to do multiple things.
One of the reasons why I want to do West Virginia?
Freedom.
One of the other reasons I want to do West Virginia?
I want to bring good jobs to the area.
I want to help people in the area.
I want to improve the economy.
And West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the country so I thought this is an excellent opportunity because you've got good land, you've got good people, you've got freedom, we've got people who share values, and we can empower this in more ways than just having a news company.
One of the ways to empower our ideals is to make sure there are good jobs and a good economy for the people who agree with us on our ideals.
So for every dollar I put into this area, That's awesome, Tim.
goes to a contractor who you know who lays concrete. He spends that dollar at
the local burger shop for lunch. The burger shop then gets to hire a
contractor to fix their building. All of that stays and circulates in that
economy and I want to bring that economy out here. That's awesome Tim. I remember
jack murphy
on our very first time when I was the first guest on the show back in February
2020 I brought up my dream of having a building a village 80 acres with a river
with a canal through it.
That's all you need.
You can put tens of thousands of people there.
And, uh, dude, kudos to you for like really pushing that ball forward.
We've been looking at land in West Virginia and Southwestern Virginia and, uh, trying to move things for my time.
My timeline is, is a little slower than yours.
Cause my kids and proximity and all that, but there's, there's a nice work, bro.
tim pool
There's, there's like a hundred acres for, you know, like 300 grand.
Yeah.
I'm not going to pretend like for the average person they can just snap their fingers and do it, but if you can get the loan to mortgage the property... My issue isn't like the act of acquiring the land.
jack murphy
It's like, is it time for me to start tilling the land?
Right?
Because I've got young kids and we've got kids in school and I'm tied to the area and I want to be with them.
I'm hugely invested in their lives and being there every single day.
It's just not time for me to move to West Virginia and start So, to kind of put a bow on what we were talking about, my main point is we do not have the level of resources anywhere near 99% of even other media companies.
real estate development too.
So like it's just like right in my wheelhouse.
tim pool
So, so to kind of put a bow on what we were talking about.
My, my main point is we, we do not have the level of resources anywhere near 99%
of even other media companies.
Like, you know you, you look at some of these traditional media outlets, Fox
news, they have a skyscraper.
They have all this money.
What are they really doing?
They just rolled out a VAX mandate for all of their employees.
And people are like, but New York's making them do it.
Oh, BS.
Fox News could say, screw off.
We got more lawyers than you do.
Come at us.
And the city would be like, ugh, are we going to go to war with Fox?
Fox doesn't care.
Fox bends the knee.
So when I'm pushing the limit, As hard as possible.
You know what I could be doing, and what everyone tells me I should be doing?
When we have money come in in profits, they're like, you gotta put it away, you gotta hire a money manager, invest for your future, Tim.
Invest for your future.
Because you're not gonna work forever, and I'm like, I wanna invest in things that are gonna have a long-standing impact for everyone.
So, you know, when we build this building and this facility, I'll say, the improvements we do on it for actually this building for instance that we you know we have a loan on it of course the improvements we've done on it have made it less likely to be sold yeah of course you put an escape park in the basement well we want to we want to be exciting we want to inspire young people yeah we want to make it a fun cool place to be right we want everything we do to be right that's a loss that's a loss for you
jack murphy
Right.
Like, so for example, Jack Brunch, I have made money.
tim pool
I want to, I wanted a skate park, bro.
I got it.
jack murphy
I like on Jack Brunch.
I made one.
I made money off of one because we had a sponsor, a platinum sponsor, every other single Jack Brunch.
No, the fact, even though we had 80, 90 people at each one, they're all losses for me.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Because I wanted to deliver more than I was willing to ask from people.
I'm talking thousands and thousands of dollars we lost because we put out these massive spreads, bottomless drinks.
I mean, man, we just wanted to make the thing happen.
And so I understand this sense to give back.
And in fact, we all should be giving back.
Charity is a value we should be doing.
And if it doesn't hurt, it's not enough.
tim pool
Well, it's, it's, I want to plant trees.
That's it.
jack murphy
And that's what the tour was about.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Check it out.
You know, the saying goes, society grows great when, you know, men plant trees whose shade they know they will never sit beneath.
jack murphy
Indeed.
tim pool
A person plants trees.
jack murphy
That's right.
No, only men.
tim pool
Only men.
Only men can plant trees.
But this building that we're putting together is going to be fun for us.
We're gonna have a good time there.
One of the reasons we want to do this is because we want to be in West Virginia.
Like I said, you know, building an economy and expanding, but also creating an easy way to invite people out.
We wanted to do it here.
We were like in March, hey, we're gonna have events here.
We couldn't do it.
We tried and we tried and we tried and it was just like your risk assessment is 89% and we are getting denied insurance and all this stuff.
With the new building, we don't have to worry about any of that.
unidentified
Gotcha.
tim pool
And so this is like, okay, we're going to once a week, we're going to have like a reservation list where you can choose, you know, as a member, you can come out and come hang out at the studio and be involved and get to meet everybody.
And it's going to be this big building.
It's going to be amazing.
25 foot walls, 36 foot ceiling.
You're going to be hanging out with a big projector screen.
You're going to be able to see us in the studio through the big glass window.
We are building this stuff because we want to inspire people and make sure our ideas are, you know, the seed is planted and they flourish.
It's not so much about just giving back.
It's about we get to enjoy what we do and the fruits of our labor, but we're going to leave something behind for everyone else, too.
That's one of the reasons I think West Virginia is so important.
If I were to set this business up in New Jersey and then 50 years from now I'm dead or whatever, who in New Jersey would inherit that and what would they do with it?
They'd become like Fox News.
They would be like, we are challenging the establishment.
What was that establishment?
You want us to implement a vaccine mandate?
You got it, boss.
Now in West Virginia, for at least the time being, people are going to be like, get away from us, freedom.
jack murphy
Right.
West Virginia, beautiful country.
I'm headed there in just a couple of weeks for the holidays.
Love it.
Love it.
unidentified
West Virginia, man.
Yeah.
jack murphy
Good for you, Tim.
tim pool
It's better weather than, look, everybody's moving to Florida or Texas.
jack murphy
And I'm like, man, Florida, Texas, and Tennessee.
That's what I keep hearing.
Guys in the LO have been flocking to Tennessee.
tim pool
Tennessee's alright.
jack murphy
From New York, from Portland, from all over the country to Tennessee.
It's beautiful, man.
tim pool
But I gotta tell you, man, I think Florida and Texas, I just think it's a mistake.
They're overdeveloped.
We looked at, I was thinking about getting a small property in Texas and creating an Austin hub because there's so much activity going on with people moving there.
And I looked at all the buildings and I looked at the cities and I was like, this is not a good idea.
It's not.
It's just another hipster location.
It would be like moving to Williamsburg in 2011.
jack murphy
That's exactly right.
And that's the vibe I got.
No offense, Nashville.
No offense, Austin.
But that was the vibe I got.
And they're on a path to not being what made me want to go there in the first place.
But one of the things I was most struck by in Tennessee was going to the state capitol and going to monuments and stuff.
And I live in D.C., a federal district with pretty limited history.
You go to a state like Tennessee and you're at this capitol and you're at the monuments and you're like, All these people, they went and they died in these wars and all their pride that they have.
And like, man, that was actually really intriguing and sort of romantic for me.
I can't wait to get out of D.C., man.
I can't wait.
tim pool
I think about West Virginia and this big empty property.
And I'm like, you know, I talk about how the colonists come to North America, and they land on a barren shore, and they're like, alright, you know, 20% of the people on this boat have died already from the trip, now we're all gonna start building on this shoreline, and another 20% of you are gonna die.
And they basically come across undeveloped space, and I'm like, we gotta build houses, we gotta start farming, we gotta figure out how to survive.
And they did it.
So I'm like, man, for the past several years I've been thinking, I don't want to go to a developed hub like Miami just because everyone's there.
I'm like, that's easy.
I don't want to go to Florida because they have been, you know, passing the right laws and everything and go to a place that someone else has done the hard work to make great.
I want to go to somewhere where I have the freedom to make something great.
Truth be told, it is better laws in West Virginia because people were voting for better laws.
But there are a lot of people who need industry there.
Some of the poorest people in the country live in West Virginia.
jack murphy
It does have its problems.
tim pool
We're going to change this.
In 50 years, there is going to be an economic powerhouse out of West Virginia, and they're going to have very libertarian values.
Imagine this.
The might of the New York Times, headquartered in rural West Virginia.
All of a sudden.
Because this is what people need to understand.
jack murphy
Just dream big, Timmy.
tim pool
Oh, I'm not even done dreaming.
The reason why the media is overwhelmingly left is because they put all the headquarters in big cities which are Democrat-run.
The only people who can get jobs there are wealthy Democrat children whose parents subsidize them to live in places like New York City.
jack murphy
Indeed.
tim pool
Then you end up with 97% of all media coming from leftist activists and worldview.
jack murphy
Oligarch's gonna oligarch.
tim pool
But what happens when you get a giant skyscraper, for some reason, in rural West Virginia, surrounded by nothing, and the people who work there are all like regular, these are people with backgrounds in blue-collar jobs and tradesmen, and they have kids who can afford to live in the area, who grew up working on a farm, who started, you know, learning how to write or report or do videos, and then they come and work at a media organization.
jack murphy
People are gonna call you a gentrifier, Timmy.
tim pool
They can call me whatever I want.
That's a CRT leftist propaganda.
I don't care about that.
The people who live there are gonna be like... Look, the people we'll attract for these jobs who live in the area are gonna be like, I worked with my hands.
I know what a hard day's work really means.
And then they're going to be those values will be coming out of that broadcast tower.
I don't really think we'll build a skyscraper because I think skyscrapers are impractical, but we're going to, we were talking about finding an old, like decaying city and just buying up property and renovating and then expanding.
jack murphy
Totally.
And you should do that also in a place where then you can also run people for a county executive board and sheriff and have your own police and legislature and school system.
tim pool
I mean, yeah.
I'm not a big fan of politics, but I recognize if we don't do that, bad people will come in.
jack murphy
I have spent time researching counties that have a small enough population where I feel like we could bring enough people to move in there to take over the sheriff's office and the school system in order to ensure that our values and our beliefs are propagated.
And you know, it was a, um, I was going to say wild, wild country.
Is that what it is?
A documentary about the, the, I want to, cult is a loose word, but they, they, they, they did this wild, wild West Virginia.
No, no, that's that was separate.
Oh, white and wild is a different documentary about West Virginia.
No, this was a, about a cult leader, an Indian guy.
Uh, and they bought up all this property in some area and then they tried to take over the council, the local board and all the real estate there.
Cause quite a hubbub from the locals, for sure.
But you know, that is that that's representation, representational government.
If you own the land and you live there and your people live there and you vote for the thing, that's the way it's supposed to be.
So do it, man.
tim pool
Yeah, we're doing it.
jack murphy
I know you are.
It's great.
Sign up at TimCats.com.
tim pool
Let's just do one more segment before we go to Super Chats on The Matrix.
So The Matrix came out today and I watched it.
jack murphy
Maybe I need to get another drink.
tim pool
And it was conservative propaganda.
I was triggered.
jack murphy
Where did you, did you go to a theater?
tim pool
No, I just watched it on HBO Max.
jack murphy
Oh, I gotcha.
tim pool
It was conservative propaganda.
I was triggered and I was screaming, but I was at an impasse.
I didn't know who to complain to, to get it banned.
So, um, no, but in all seriousness, I'm only half kidding.
I don't want to spoil the movie for people who want to see it, but a large component of the film, I believe, maybe it was unintentional, but it kind of casts the left as like, bad.
unidentified
How?
tim pool
I'd have to spoil the film to explain it.
lydia smith
Oh, man.
tim pool
Yep.
lydia smith
How are we gonna review this?
tim pool
An element of the film expresses leftist ideas from the villain's perspective.
And in the end of the film, they outright tell regular people to, like, take the red pill.
Like, no joke.
And a core element of the film is the power of a traditional family.
jack murphy
Beautiful.
tim pool
Not kidding.
lydia smith
That's insane.
tim pool
Absolutely not kidding.
I'm going to say one thing that may spoil some of the film.
jack murphy
Spoiler alert.
tim pool
So you have been warned.
You have been warned.
I'm saying it one more time.
I am going to say an element of the film which I believe will spoil a part of the film.
I'm not going to give you a plot point.
I'm not going to explain what Neo does or why he's doing what he does.
But I will just say this.
Okay.
Now that you've been warned sufficiently.
A core element of the film is that in order for humanity to exist, there needs to be a matriarch and a patriarch.
There needs to be a man and a woman working together.
jack murphy
Wait, I thought men and women were exactly the same, dude.
tim pool
Not in this film.
jack murphy
I thought that actually you could change from being a man into a woman.
Isn't that, isn't that what The Matrix was really about?
Initially.
You really think that that was what it was about originally?
Come on.
tim pool
I mean, like the guys that made- The character Switch in the film?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Was actually in the film.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
You know, the character Switch was, right.
jack murphy
Sure.
tim pool
A trans person.
jack murphy
I understand that.
But the creators, they're trans.
Yes, yes.
And but wasn't it sort of backward mapped onto the Matrix later that the real intent behind the movie was to like extol trans virtues?
tim pool
I wouldn't know.
So here's what they say about that.
In the the first word that I think appears in the film is trans.
It says trans system operator or something like that.
jack murphy
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
And then there's um, it says system failure and you go between MNF that the film zooms in between MF.
jack murphy
Do you think there's continuity from the very first one to this one all out planned?
Like, for example, Lost.
Remember the series Lost?
tim pool
I didn't watch Lost.
jack murphy
Oh, fantastic.
I just wonder if they planned it all out from the beginning.
tim pool
The estrogen pills in the 90s were red pills.
And so apparently they were saying take the red pill was... Take the estrogen pill.
Take the estrogen pill.
jack murphy
You hear that, Manosphere?
You hear that, Manosphere?
Y'all been eating estrogen pills this entire time.
Holy cow.
I knew there was something up with those guys.
tim pool
So this is from a year ago, this is from August.
jack murphy
The red pill died.
tim pool
It says, look, look, look, look, the Newsweek.
The Matrix creator explains what the red pill really is and men's rights activists aren't going to be happy.
And they go on to explain, there's a picture of it, I think, somewhere.
Okay, there's not.
They're talking about in the 90s, the pill they would take to transition was a red pill.
Let me see if I can find an actual image of it.
jack murphy
That is absolutely hilarious.
lydia smith
That's really funny.
jack murphy
Sweet justice.
tim pool
Yeah.
Primarin.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, Primarin.
tim pool
Yeah, estrogen.
It's red pills.
jack murphy
Imagine if you built your whole brand about brown being red-pilled and it turns out that it actually meant eating estrogen.
Wow.
tim pool
No wonder you're a B. Now, I don't know, like, so some of these things can just be coincidences.
And they did, they, you know, they back attached it or whatever.
But that's what they say.
I'll tell you this.
jack murphy
Is the zoom in between the M and the F thing, is that real?
tim pool
It's real.
Yeah.
jack murphy
Man, that suggests continuity.
tim pool
It says system failure.
And there's an M at the end of system and an F, and it zooms in past them.
And the first word in the film, it says trans system operator or something like that.
unidentified
That's funny.
tim pool
Honestly, when I saw that, I was like, what does that mean, Trans System Operator?
Like, what is it?
I think it's Trans System Operator, I'm not entirely sure.
But we watched it again, like, a couple weeks ago.
We watched all three Matrix movies, because the new movie's coming out, we were gonna watch it.
jack murphy
They're good.
The first one's real good.
tim pool
The character Switch, in the first Matrix, you know the character Switch, was supposed to be a person who goes in the Matrix, and their residual self-image was female, and then in the real world they were male or something.
And, according to the story, the studio thought it was too, you know, weird for regular people.
They wouldn't like it.
I actually think that's a good idea for a film.
Like, if the idea of the Matrix is you have an identity, and when you go in, you become an identity, the only issue is I think people should turn into giraffes, too.
You know what I mean?
Like, furries would turn into Bugs Bunny and stuff like that.
But that's an interesting concept for a Matrix, because we're going to see that with the Metaverse.
But I'll say this.
jack murphy
Well, you've already seen it in Fortnite.
There's little boys acting with female characters.
tim pool
Well, that's every game, though.
jack murphy
I know, but nobody even blinks an eye of that.
So why in the Metaverse would it be any different?
Why would you blink an eye?
tim pool
Here's the thing about the Matrix Resurrections.
I don't think it has anything to do with the Matrix at all.
Like, the themes of the original Matrix do not translate into this movie.
I'm like, it's an entirely different movie.
They just call it Matrix, I guess.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, there's—I'll say a few things.
The film is—hates itself.
Not exaggerating.
They self-reference themselves, how much they hate making this.
What the heck?
No joke.
Like, in the movie, they basically say, this is garbage, we don't want to do it.
We don't want to make this.
jack murphy
Were they contractually obligated?
tim pool
Um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go further into spoilers now for some of you guys.
So now I'll get into some direct, a direct spoiler.
Uh, it's not a plot point.
It's just, uh, it's part of the early part.
It's part of the early movie.
I think the first half an hour of the movie was intended to insult and deride Warner Brothers.
And then the movie starts.
jack murphy
Gotcha.
tim pool
So, uh, I'll explain.
In the film spoiler warning again, because I really really want to make because I'm gonna actually give a hard spoiler Neo is a game developer he made a game called the matrix and He's sitting down with his business partner and his business partner goes oh Our parent company, Warner Brothers, has insisted we do a sequel.
None of us want to do it, but they said, if we don't do it, they'll do it without us.
jack murphy
Oh man, so they were basically looking into the camera.
tim pool
Yup.
Saying it outright.
And so, in the movie, it's that they made a video game called The Matrix.
Warner Brothers wants a new Matrix game, and they don't want to make it, but they have no choice, because either they do it, or it gets remade like trash.
So they said, fine, we'll be involved.
And that's the stu- I'm watching the movie and I'm like, this is so dumb.
The first half an hour is literally them being like, they made us do it, we don't like it, don't be mad at us.
jack murphy
That's kind of Seinfeld-y.
tim pool
There is literally a scripted line that says, our parent company, Warner Brothers, expects a sequel.
That's literally in the film.
jack murphy
Gotcha.
tim pool
And then there's, it's in the trailer actually.
Not that part, but it's where the guy goes, to be going back to what all began, back to the Matrix.
You've seen that in the trailer?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
That's when he's like, they're making us redo this and we don't want to.
But the film, I gotta say like, The left will probably never admit it, but I don't know how else you explain it, that the movie is literally, now that we're in spoiler mode, it's literally, they're like, Neo and Trinity as a man and a woman, and the yearning they have for each other is what stabilizes the Matrix.
And without them as the Patriarch and the Matriarch, the new Matrix will collapse.
That's the plot.
jack murphy
Get out there and get married, guys.
tim pool
Yeah!
jack murphy
That's the answer.
tim pool
And guess what happens at the end, because I'm going to give you the big spoiler.
Oh boy, here we go.
So Neo isn't just the one.
Trinity also is.
The one is the two of them together.
So in the original film, Neo is the patriarch who fights and saves everybody, and Trinity is just the damsel in distress.
In this one, they both have superpowers.
I was shocked by this.
The villain at the end says to them, we will never give up because people don't want to be free.
They don't want the truth.
They don't want to be empowered.
They want to embrace their feelings over facts.
And then Neo and Trinity are like, we're going to change this world.
We're not here to negotiate.
unidentified
And I was just like, what?
tim pool
Like, that doesn't sound like leftists.
It sounds like they're conservatives.
jack murphy
Right.
Fostering human connection, the difference between men and women, the fact that they need to come together.
tim pool
They make fun of binary over and over and over again.
Really?
But like, it's weird because they make fun of like the leftist concept of it.
I, it's, it's like they acknowledge it.
It's a real thing.
jack murphy
I'm going to have to watch this.
I showed my kids this movie.
They did not understand the first one, but hold on, hold on.
tim pool
Here's what I think.
Lena Wachowski trans woman made this film, but older trans woman, younger, younger trans people are the gender nine binary people.
jack murphy
What do you mean, like Camille Paglia style trans?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Right.
jack murphy
She's a trans woman.
She's trans, but she's a lesbian.
No, she said specifically, I am trans.
Camille Paglia.
Yes.
tim pool
You sure?
jack murphy
100 percent.
100 percent.
But she's the most based philosopher of all time.
Love her to death.
lydia smith
She's great.
jack murphy
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
So you look at like, um, Contra points, I think, I think talked about this before that older trans people believe men and women are the binary and that that's why they're trans.
jack murphy
That's why they transition.
tim pool
But younger trans people say it's, there's a million identities.
You can be whatever from whatever part of the spectrum.
I wonder if that's really, you know, like Lena Wachowski is like an old school trans.
Yeah, who's like, there is a binary and they acknowledge that and that's important to them.
jack murphy
Trans-exclusive radical trans.
tim pool
Trans-exclusionary radical trans women.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
All right, we're gonna go to Super Chats.
jack murphy
Is it time?
Is it time for Super Chats?
tim pool
It is time for Super Chats, so smash that like button.
jack murphy
Hold on, let me call my boy Matt real quick.
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
tim pool
Subscribe to the channel.
Like the like button.
Smash the like button.
Go to TimCast.com and become a member.
We're not going to have a members only segment today because we're going to be getting ready.
I got a pack.
jack murphy
Fake Friday.
This is like a half day at school because it's Christmas vacation.
tim pool
Yes.
Yeah, but I do want to say, like, so the super chats have been absolutely inundated with
people who are not, who don't like you.
jack murphy
Yeah, I imagine so.
tim pool
And a lot of people are saying things like, you know, you know, you shouldn't have yelled at Sydney and all that stuff.
And so we'll talk about that right now.
But I do want to say one thing, too, because a lot of people who are saying things like, I can't believe I believed in Jack or whatever, and Jack's a fraud.
And I'm just like, guys.
We're going to address all those issues.
But if your complaint is about an article that Jack wrote seven years ago, and you're now saying that you no longer like him because of something he did in the past, I don't care if it's a leftist who does it.
I don't care if it's a right-winger who does it.
If someone did something in the past and they're like, yeah, I don't think those things anymore or I don't like that I did that.
I'm like, okay, forgiveness granted.
Thank you for joining us in the fight for freedom.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
If we're going to excise our own allies because of things they did in the past, well, you might as well be, you know, in the, in cancel culture mode or whatever.
Not that, I mean, some people should deserve to be canceled and some people should have to answer for what they did and all that stuff.
But, uh, I mean, should we just, do you want to outright mention the, you are here thing or whatever?
jack murphy
Oh, well, just on that one point, like why was it so jarring for people to read that article about me?
Because I don't ever talk about it because I don't ever push those ideas because it's not a part of my life.
Right.
It was something that I wrote when I had like 100 Twitter followers and I was using a fake name.
Jack Murphy is not my real name, everybody.
Spoiler alert.
My real name is John Murphy Goldman.
My grandfather's name was John Murphy.
Everybody called him Jack.
So I picked Jack Murphy as a pseudonym and I wrote an article about like one element of my sex life all those years ago that was meant to be seen by basically nobody and I deleted it like a few months later and now for years people have been digging through my internet trash to like bring it up and to wave it in my face and the only reason people are waving at my face is because We're having a good impact on society.
We're like doing good.
We're spreading good out there.
And if it felt jarring to you to read this one thing, well, yeah, that's because I don't talk about it and it's not something I'm pushing and it's not something I advocate.
After I got divorced, we just had fun, man.
We did a lot of kinky and crazy things and I don't write about it and I don't talk about it anymore.
tim pool
Joey Salads hired black men to vandalize a car with Trump stickers in it.
He staged the whole thing.
And I forgave him and had him on the show several times.
jack murphy
Yeah, well, I didn't do anything that stupid.
I was just having fun with a girl that I just started dating.
We were just going out and having a good time.
And I wrote about it anonymously.
Then I deleted it.
And now I have gone through a whole many years of growth and transformation and reading and studying and everything that I have said before up to this point is 100% accurate.
What?
Don't interrupt me.
tim pool
Well, people are mad at you for yelling at them.
jack murphy
Oh, we can talk about that.
tim pool
Yeah, I think they're using a lot of people don't like the article.
A lot of people are using that because they're mad at you.
But I think the anger comes from you yelling at Sydney.
jack murphy
Right, so here's what happened with Sydney.
So I'm sitting on the show and we're talking and they're joking about reading superchats where people are building like gas chambers and she's reading out loud like, how did I build this gas chamber that didn't kill all the Jews that I was supposed to kill, right?
It's like insane, the superchats that she reads.
And so I'm telling her this whole time, I'm like, hey, you might want to read all the superchats before you read them out loud, right?
A little bit of a warning.
And then she asked me the question about the article and I answered it politely.
I deflected.
I was like, that's not me.
It's 180 degrees from whatever that article says.
And I'd really rather not talk about it anymore.
And then a couple minutes later, she literally asked me the same question all over again.
And I cursed at her.
I shouldn't have cursed at her.
And I apologize, Sydney.
I apologized to her that day and that night and the next day.
And she accepted my apology.
So I don't know why everybody's still butt hurt.
But I shouldn't have cursed at her.
I should have just used amused mastery and just like laughed at her and dismissed her.
But I didn't because I had set a boundary and she crossed it.
And that's part of being a man, too, is saying, here's my boundary.
Please don't cross it.
And then she crossed it.
And I told her that I didn't like it.
Did I use the right words?
No.
Should I have cursed at her?
No.
And did I apologize to her for that?
Yes.
Did she apologize to me for putting me in a bad spot?
Yes.
Did Elijah?
Yes.
Did Elijah and I go out for dinner and drinks afterwards?
Yes.
Has Sydney and I talked afterwards?
Yes.
So I don't understand why everybody's so white knighting simping for her.
She can stand up for herself.
It's resolved.
And in my mind, it's done.
And to me, this is such a nothing burger in my life.
I am so focused on so many other bigger, more important things that, uh, people chipping and chirping away at me at this are just so annoying when I block people.
It's because you're annoying, dude.
It's because you have, we have, we, we have to.
tim pool
We have to be more than drama.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
There are a lot of drama channels.
I don't engage with them.
And I'm aware, and I mentioned this last week, the one way to really piss me off is to send me a video about people saying things about me.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because I'm like, dude, I don't care about me.
Like, what I mean by that is like, I don't care if, you know, so I saw the Young Turks thing where Cenk was like, he's literally looking into the camera saying over and over again, I'm laughing at you, Tim Pool!
I'm like, okay, dude, like, whatever, man.
I did a video addressing the Ari the Rugged Man thing.
Got 500,000 views.
The Young Turks did their video, got 50,000 views.
I don't, I don't, I'm not saying that, bring that up to be like, haha, I got more views than you.
I'm saying when you focus on the work, when you focus on the ideas, when you are talking about what makes the world a better place and what we need to work on, people are interested.
People are interested in like, what can I do to better my life?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
But Cenk Uygur and Anna Kasparian just insulting me doesn't improve anyone's life in any way and doesn't provide them with tools to make for a better world.
unidentified
No.
jack murphy
And if you're out there and you're listening to rage merchants and all they're doing is stirring up drama and you're just getting angry enough that you seek out my email address and my Instagram and my YouTube and my Twitter and my personal phone number and my girlfriend, who's soon to be my wife, and you blowing us up with all this nastiness, like, dude, you're being misled.
Right?
The idea and everything that we're working on here is to help men is to help their families is to help their community and their nation on the way up here today.
Just let me finish on their way on the way up here today.
I had a phone call with one of the LO guys and we're talking about this business that they started.
That's literally going to change, change the world.
It's going to change the world.
It is going to transform the world.
And this is what we're working on.
So I'm driving up here and I'm talking to this guy about literally changing the world.
And now we're talking about this thing that literally has no relevance in my life whatsoever at all today.
And you know, it's just kind of annoying, but like, I'm just so over it and not interested in talking about it, which is why I was like, please, let's just not talk about it anymore.
And, uh, she wanted to, so, Hey, But I'll tell you this.
tim pool
Some of these super chats are funny, but I think you even rolled with the jokes about calling your boy Matt and stuff like that.
Yeah, you get it.
jack murphy
Sometimes you just gotta, you know, it's like, whatever, dude, I have a kinky pass.
Really?
I'm really terribly sorry about it.
And then, and then, and then my girl and I, we got serious and now we settled down and now we're getting married.
And we're going to have a nice traditional life with the kids and the family and the whole thing.
Like, oof, kill me.
Like, come on guys, get a grip.
tim pool
Let's read some stuff.
Let's read some Superchats.
Yes.
I encourage everybody to stop watching Fox News.
Start watching The Daily Wire.
Stop sharing Fox News articles.
If The Daily Wire has an article saying the same thing, share that one instead.
Because Fox News instituted a vaccine mandate and there's no excuse for it.
Oh, but we're in New York and we have to.
You know, there's a federal mandate that has been reinstated and the Daily Wire is going to be hit by that.
And they said no the entire time.
Fox News had a daily testing requirement.
And where's Tucker?
Where's Jesse Watters?
Where's any one of these hosts to be like, we don't agree with this?
Ben Shapiro's putting his business on the line.
All these guys at Daily Wire are doing that.
I have respect for them, man.
jack murphy
Dude, I have a lot of respect for Ben.
I remember watching him just sort of growing up over at Breitbart back in the day, like 2014 and 15, and he's, man, that guy is doing things and he's going for it and he's putting himself out there.
I like it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Lori MC says, I am watching The Matrix.
I turned it off to watch you live.
I think I better watch you later.
Don't spoil the movie for me.
Merry Christmas.
jack murphy
Oopsie daisies.
tim pool
But that's why we gave a really good warning, right?
We gave a good warning.
All right, let's see.
PM says, pretend to take a shot of Malort at Kuma's Corner for me when you go back to Chicago.
Merry Christmas to all of you.
jack murphy
Oh my God.
tim pool
I'm not going anywhere.
jack murphy
Dude, dude, when I was here the other day, you ordered a box of Malort from Chicago.
tim pool
No, no, Allison went and picked it up.
jack murphy
Was it?
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
Oh, I thought it came in shipped.
And then when I showed up for the show that night, we all took shots of Malort.
And dude, that stuff is bad.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a prank apparently.
unidentified
Alright, let's grab some superchats here.
tim pool
A lot of the superchats we got about the Sydney and Elijah thing are people genuinely being like, I don't understand what that was, what happened, what happened.
jack murphy
With Sydney.
tim pool
Yeah, they were like, what happened with that?
unidentified
What happened?
tim pool
But we addressed it.
jack murphy
Well, yeah.
You know, when the clip, people clipped it where all they see is me saying, you know, cursing at her.
But they didn't see the whole thing where I was like, let's not talk about that after I've addressed it.
And then she brought it up again.
So, you know, it stinks.
And I wish it didn't happen.
And Sydney and I are cool and we will be cool.
And Elijah's already talked to me about coming back on the show in February.
And I'll happily do that.
And I just think everybody here should just sort of put this thing behind them and let's move on.
tim pool
HeathenAirsoftNJ says, No, that's actually not it.
I don't know if you watched it or not.
The reason why I did that segment was because the ideas were really important and the Young Turks gave me an excellent opportunity to show you what the left and progressives are.
Like I said, I don't care that, you know, the Young Turks want to laugh at me or make fun of me, but I think it's important that when you have a regular person, who's sitting there saying like, who's right? Who's a good
person? Is Tim Pool a good person?
Are the Young Turks good people? I want a certain kind of person to watch this show.
If you're the kind of person that thinks insulting and making fun of people and spending your days
involved in laughing and screaming in people's faces for tribal points,
this show is probably not for you.
jack murphy
Have you read your comments, Timmy?
tim pool
Well, I don't think these are regular viewers.
Our regular viewers are fairly, you know, well-read, and they often correct us on things.
The goal of that segment was, there are going to be a lot of people who may be roped into the lies of these people, grifters.
Now, the Young Turks would like to call me a grifter.
Many leftists would.
I will lay out my entire past with a family member for all embarrassment and for all of the bad so that you can know this is who I am and this is why I believe what I believe.
The Young Turks can laugh at me and say I'm a liar and a racist all day and night, but they have no substantive argument.
I don't care for the drama between the Young Turks.
I invited them on the show.
I think they'd be great.
I think the bigger issue is letting regular people know, here's the people who aren't laughing in your face, and here's the people who are.
If you're a working-class person on the South Side of Chicago, my story probably related.
If you're a mixed-race person, I get it all the time.
They're like, man, I've been through what you've been through, Tim.
That resonates with me.
Then if you have progressives saying, you know, we're the ones who are fighting for you, but don't worry.
If you ever challenge us, we'll laugh in your faces.
I want as many people as possible to see that.
It has nothing to do with interpersonal drama.
It has everything to do with proving who is actually fighting the good fight and who is trying to grift off of you.
jack murphy
Look, and Tim, I feel the same way.
And one of the reasons that I am kind of happy that we're talking about this old article and my hedonistic past and the fact that I used to try to just pleasure-seek, I was just pleasure-seeking, is because ultimately at the end of the day, that's not enough.
Like you're not going to be satisfied.
And believe me, I have tried.
You're not going to be satisfied by that kind of stuff.
You need to find a higher calling.
And I am happy to be the guy that leads people who once lived a hedonistic lifestyle, who are looking for something more important, who are looking for something that means more to them.
That's going to return a higher utility to them as a person and is going to benefit the nation as a whole.
So if this is if this is my, you know, thing to bear, OK, fine.
But like listen to my content now and understand where we're going, because I've moved past that and I'm on to something that's really good.
And if you want to be on to something really good, let's go.
tim pool
All right, we got Ghost Crusader says Tim I had to get my first shot today.
I live in New York City.
I had to I'm the caretaker for my grandfather and grandmother.
He has dementia and she does not want anyone else but me to take care of him.
I rather move but I couldn't and that's how they get you.
lydia smith
That's hard.
tim pool
They know they can use your family against you to enforce this stuff and it ultimately results in everyone suffering because of it.
jack murphy
It is very hard.
People are having to make a lot of tough decisions.
Prudence.
Prudence is never easy.
It's by definition hard.
If you find yourself in that position, I give kudos to you and please just take some support understanding there's a lot of us in the same spot and you're not a bad person if you make a prudential decision.
You're not.
tim pool
All right, Dee Thompson says, love your show, started watching Nightly a few months ago, just finished reading The Fourth Turning and wow, crazy accurate for being written in 1996.
Right.
Another playbook like 1984.
Right.
And MIT said that Collapse is happening in what, 2040 or something?
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
jack murphy
80 years, 80 to 90 year cycles.
unidentified
Yep.
jack murphy
Yep.
unidentified
All right.
jack murphy
Just long enough for everybody to forget about how stupid the last one was.
lydia smith
That's how it happens.
jack murphy
Right.
Even Lincoln was talking about that when everybody who was involved in the revolution had died.
No one understood why they were there.
They didn't understand the pain and the suffering everyone went through.
Memories are short despite the history books.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Puddle says, hey Tim, would you have a live cast with your family and friends that you grew up with sharing old Chicago stories?
Lydia is a soldier.
Re.
Yeah, actually, maybe.
I haven't talked to the guys from Chicago in forever.
There's a couple guys that I'm friends with on Facebook that were like really good friends of mine when I was like 16 to like 20.
And so I keep in touch with this group of people.
Relatively.
I don't actually talk to them very frequently, but there's very few people I'd be like, hey, come out and hang out.
But my friend Andy, I'd hit him up and invite him out here any day.
We got a skate park.
Andy, come skate.
I don't have his Instagram anymore.
I haven't seen him in, man, I don't know, 15 years?
Maybe longer than that.
Man, maybe it's been a lot longer than that.
But I'd love to have these guys out.
We could do something on the website where it's just like we all talk about Chicago and stuff like that, because those stories are really fascinating.
Like when I got shot at randomly.
jack murphy
And the more you can connect to other people's experiences, the more powerful it is to spread your message and to get people on the right track, man.
Do it.
Talk about as much as you can.
Be as open and honest and authentic as you can.
unidentified
Why?
jack murphy
Because look at the guys on CNN.
Is Don Lamon authentic?
Are the Cuomo guys authentic?
Is Jake Tapper authentic?
Is whatever that chick is with the short hair and the glasses on MSNBC, is she authentic?
No.
They're not worth listening to.
tim pool
Alright, Dragon Lady says, Lori Lightfoot and other politicians make a really big assumption that I want to go to bars and restaurants.
Tim, that was a fantastic impression.
Most important, no, the Beetlejuice one for Lori Lightfoot.
unidentified
So good.
tim pool
I just want to wish you all a very Merry Christmas.
You're good people and you deserve it.
I haven't seen Beetlejuice in a very long time.
unidentified
It was great.
tim pool
Michael Keaton.
He also kind of talked, it's also similar to Edgar from Men in Black.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's who I was thinking it sounded like.
jack murphy
I haven't seen either of those movies lately.
unidentified
Maybe I should introduce my children to those.
tim pool
Men in Black.
I like Men in Black.
jack murphy
Basically, don't feed your kids any content created after the year 2000.
The only TV that I let my youngest daughter watch is Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
Always a great story in there.
And oh man, I forgot the other one off the top of my head.
Oh, The Nanny.
That stuff is funny.
tim pool
The Nanny?
jack murphy
Darn, sorry.
That stuff is funny and it's based.
It's based.
The 90s were based.
lydia smith
I love them, yeah.
tim pool
Here we go.
Nicholas Lunn says, Tim, rather than using their language, shouldn't we call them COVID inquisitors rather than investigators?
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Austria is hiring inquisitors.
Someone had a good idea.
They said, um... COVID Gestapo.
A good idea for a shirt was, no one expects the science inquisition.
lydia smith
Oh, I love that.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, from Monty Python.
jack murphy
Oh, that's a good twist.
tim pool
Is that what it's from?
The science inquisition?
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
Well, no, the Spanish inquisition.
lydia smith
Right, right, right, right.
tim pool
The science.
Micah Cook says, I'm going from 25 an hour to 14 an hour here in California because I won't get the jab.
My kids will have food.
That's only an excuse.
Let's go, Brandon.
jack murphy
Let's go, Brandon.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
jack murphy
I'm never going to eat out in a restaurant in D.C.
ever again.
lydia smith
We'll get used to it.
jack murphy
I mean, you'll get used to it.
We'll cook.
We'll cook a lot more healthier.
Well, instead of buying choice, we'll buy prime.
lydia smith
We'll have to cook together.
That'll be fun.
tim pool
Okay, let's see.
Enstein says, in DC here, may have to get creative, but compliance isn't an option for me.
However, the Step on Snek crowd here never shocks me.
We finally got our No Step on Snek and Find Out shirts.
jack murphy
Yeah, did they come in?
Aren't they top seller already, right?
tim pool
They're the best-selling shirt we've ever had.
I love it.
lydia smith
So cute.
tim pool
Step on Snek and find out.
lydia smith
It's my favorite.
tim pool
At the TimCast store.
You can pick it up.
Yeah, we've sold like thousands of them.
It's crazy.
unidentified
So good.
tim pool
It's a good shirt.
We gotta get on our shirt game.
You know, Luke does the like overtly political shirts.
Like he had one where it was Fauci as the Emperor, Emperor Palpatine.
Force lightning, monkeys, and dogs.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm like, okay, Luke's probably selling thousands of these shirts because those are good.
But we don't do that kind of shirt.
Like, I don't do this show to make overt political statements about that stuff.
Like, Step on Snack and Find Out is a meme.
It's like a silly combination of memes, and it doesn't say anything about Republicans or Democrats or Fauci or anything like that.
The gorilla thing.
I'm like, I don't want to make overtly political merchandise.
It can be, like, passively.
You know, it should be fun, cultural stuff.
So that's what we're trying to figure out.
We have, I tested positive for freedom, and it's Luke riding an eagle waving a Gadsden flag.
jack murphy
Right, where Luke is, Luke is, to scale, On an eagle.
There's an eagle, which is to scale.
And then there's Luke.
He's right on top of that.
tim pool
It's the eagle from Lord of the Rings.
jack murphy
You know, I challenged Luke to a death match before the show and the winner, the winner was the only one who arrived and Luke's not here.
tim pool
He got scared.
unidentified
He did.
Yeah, he was like, he was like, oh, Jack's coming.
Oh, no.
tim pool
And then he was like, oh, my mom called.
jack murphy
My mommy called.
There you go, Luke.
tim pool
He's in the chat.
He's posting stuff.
jack murphy
Oh, I bet he is.
He loves those chats.
I've seen him stirring up S in there.
He loves to do that.
He's sitting next to me stirring up S in the chats, that guy.
unidentified
That sounds like something Luke would do.
Luke!
Luke!
jack murphy
You're not my father.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Let's get some good conversation going.
jack murphy
You trying to weed through the super chats of all the obsessed folks?
tim pool
A lot of them are identical.
I can read one of them, and I read one in the beginning, but I can't just keep reading the same thing over and over again.
jack murphy
People are obsessed about that, man.
I don't get it.
lydia smith
Interesting.
unidentified
People are strange.
tim pool
I honestly, you know, I wonder about who is we have substantially higher super chats than we normally do.
So I don't believe it's our normal audience.
jack murphy
Got it.
Yeah, you know, because I think it's people who are coming in here and just Just throwing money at Timmy, hoping that you're going to embarrass me in front of all these people?
That's an interesting strategy.
tim pool
Yeah, I like that.
I can only say this, guys.
I'm not on Elijah and Sidney's show.
I didn't watch it.
We were doing this show when that happened.
Yeah, we were working.
And I don't wake up in the morning, I'm like, I better go watch and figure out what this drama's all about.
I wake up and I'm like, what did Joe Biden just say?
And what is Pelosi doing?
And what is Mitch McConnell doing about it?
And what did he just, what's he, what?
So I'm spending my day like reading the news and reading about what's going on.
And, uh, I could not get in depth on this if I wanted to.
It's just not my wheelhouse.
jack murphy
Well, there's, there's no depth to it.
That's the thing.
It's nonsense.
tim pool
So let's read this.
We got William Furry says, serious inquiry.
TP, are you hiring?
I work in medicine and feel so done with being whipped around like a rag doll with mandates and exemptions.
We are hiring and the difficulty is, you know, we're planting seeds of these new shows and we're trying to grow them and they're, you know, they're but baby birds that we are unable to kick out of the nest.
They can't fly on their own.
So the core Timcast show is like subsidizing the growth of these new shows so we can hire But it's like everything we hire outside of this show is a loss, and that's what we've been doing.
So it's like we're taking the risk to try and do more stuff.
We have the book, Tales from the Inverted World at invertedworldbook.com.
It's a bestseller now, which is amazing.
jack murphy
Amazing.
Congratulations.
You're a publisher now.
tim pool
That's right.
And that's good.
But as much as the external stuff we've started has made money, it's not covering its own costs.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
So in order for us to keep hiring, those have to grow to a certain point, and it's not easy, and it's very difficult.
jack murphy
Look, I put out the call all the time for conservative donors to fund media projects that don't have immediate returns right away.
And Tim, I'm very proud of you for taking this route and investing in things that don't have returns right away in order to move the needle.
So kudos to you, my friend.
tim pool
Look, so the first Tales from the Inverted World book we have, it's like general stories, you know.
The next book, The Ghost of the Civil War, I can't say too much because it would ruin some of the book.
But Shane went down to Georgia and he started investigating lost Confederate gold and it got dangerous.
It got like legit dangerous.
I don't want to spoil too much, but someone died.
jack murphy
On the crew?
tim pool
So no, no, no, no, no.
jack murphy
Like your insurance must be through the roof.
unidentified
One of, one of the, one of the, let me just say this.
tim pool
One of the sources in the process, in the investigation, my guide and threats were made.
And so I'm like, this is going to be crazy, dude.
jack murphy
That's awesome.
Do you have a hot mic where the guy confesses to a murder in the last episode?
Cause that was sick, dude.
tim pool
What happened?
jack murphy
Yeah.
What was the documentary about that guy who was a real estate developer, rich guy who went around killing a couple of people.
And they did this whole, there was a whole HBO documentary.
And in the last, where they, Durst maybe?
No, I can't remember.
Where they interviewed him and they were like, did you murder these girls?
unidentified
No.
jack murphy
Did you murder them?
unidentified
No.
jack murphy
Did you murder them?
No.
And in the final scene of the documentary, he's got a mic on during the interview.
He gets up.
He's like, let me go to the bathroom.
And he goes into the bathroom and he doesn't realize that the mic is on.
And he's like, I killed those ladies, but they're never going to find out.
unidentified
Just keep lying.
jack murphy
Just keep lying or whatever.
Just keep lying.
Just keep lying.
And he walks out and they're all like, yo, your mic was on.
And he confessed at the end and it was all legit.
It was, it was amazing on HBO.
I can't catch a ketchup killer, catch a murderer or something.
I can't, I can't remember what it's called.
Yeah, man, that was awesome.
tim pool
Um, but so if you would like to get a job, um, jobs at timcast.com, I'll, I'll write your name down and we'll keep a lookout.
I am writing your name down.
lydia smith
What is the name?
tim pool
William Furr.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
I got it.
And, um, yeah, man, we're, we're gonna, we're gonna, we'll, we'll, we'll go through it.
You know, we, we look through jobs periodically.
We try to figure out what makes sense and what we can do for people.
We have 31 employees.
That's right.
unidentified
31.
tim pool
Because we are like, my, my attitude is, yo, we gotta start planting trees.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
We got to plant trees now.
jack murphy
Definitely.
tim pool
And then hopefully in 10 years, we got big trees with beautiful shade and, you know, we'll have like a banana tree and we'll have, actually they don't grow on trees, they grow on bushes or something.
lydia smith
Yeah, banana trees grow on trees.
jack murphy
Oh, my boy Matt just texted.
He said it was the Robert Durst documentary.
tim pool
Your boy Matt?
He got you.
jack murphy
Robert, Robert Durst.
tim pool
Now I know.
MK90 says, I'm officially getting separated from the Marine Corps with an other than honorable discharge for refusal of vaccine.
Open criticism of the government and memes.
The Corps and people who support this government have lost their honor.
That's busted, man.
jack murphy
I feel for those people making those tough choices, man.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
jack murphy
Heck, that was me.
And you know what?
Ultimate, the resolution was is I informed my children.
I gave them all the information I could possibly give them.
And I was like, look, it's up to you.
tim pool
JC says, Tim, do you agree that this started with accepting the mask requirements?
If so, do you regret not opposing that earlier?
Well, it started before the mask requirements.
It started with two weeks to slow the spread.
I don't regret mask requirements within reason.
It's not so much like, are you for or against masks?
Well, let me start from the beginning.
I agreed with two weeks to slow the spread.
Why?
Made sense.
We want to slow the curve down.
We want to make sure that as the infection spreads, we don't overload our ICU beds because then tons of people will die because we can't treat them.
And I said, OK, makes sense.
That was a mistake.
That was a mistake. I agree with it back then. Now I would say in hindsight, I realized the
exploitation. It then moves on to mask requirements. Within reason, absolutely,
I think they're bad. But I will say my point is this.
Ultimately, to put on a mask, to walk in somewhere for a few minutes and walk out, wasn't that big
of a deal.
To undergo an irreversible and permanent medical procedure is an absolute deal breaker.
There are certain things where we say like, okay, sure, fine, whatever.
It's like, I'll put the mask on, I'll take it off, it'll be five minutes.
I will tell you this now.
I will not go to any business that mandates a mask.
I don't do it.
So out here in West Virginia, just last week or whatever, I was with Allison.
We went to a cafe and they had a big, huge thing on the door saying, please wear a mask.
And I said, Starbucks over there doesn't require masks.
So instead of going to the small business that needed our money very, very much, I went to the big corporate store because the big corporate store was like, do your thing.
We don't care.
And so there it is.
If I have a choice, it will not be to comply with any of this stuff.
So, we went to Micro Center.
Had to wear a mask.
Well, that was tough.
I needed to get a GPU.
We needed to get equipment for the studio to expand.
And so I'm like, look, putting on a mask for 20 minutes to walk in and walk out?
It's not the end of the world.
If I had a choice, I wouldn't do it.
But I need to buy this thing right now, so I will.
I don't like that.
At all.
Give me a choice, I'll say no.
jack murphy
I went to the mall to buy my wife to be the one very gift I wanted to get her and I had got to the gate of the door and they were like, put a mask on.
And I was like, sorry.
And I just walked away.
I just can't do it anymore.
Well, not anymore.
I have walked out of a hundred stores that have asked me to put on a mask.
I just will not do it.
I will not give them my money.
I will not go to the stores.
I will not comply.
I've left it up to my kids to make their own decisions, because you know what?
They're teenagers, they can make their own decisions.
But for me, I am able to be comfortable and resist, and I will.
Did you get the 30-70?
What'd you get?
tim pool
Yeah, we got the latest.
If I went to a store, a microcenter, and they were like, vaccine only, I'd be like, alright, walk away.
If YouTube emailed me and said, we now require everyone to have proof of vaccination, I'd be like, later.
That's the end.
unidentified
You're not making me do it.
jack murphy
It's I mean, I'm just reeling from this notion.
I just learned the news today that DC has a vax mandate.
Now I'm literally never going to be able to go to any of my favorite restaurants in DC.
Any, I can't go to any single bars or restaurants in the city that I have lived in for 30 years.
That's a thing.
unidentified
Yep.
jack murphy
That's a thing.
No museums, no concerts, no movies, no gyms, no yoga, no nothing.
You can't even go to a hotel.
tim pool
Right.
jack murphy
That's a lot to process, actually.
tim pool
I got to deal with that in Chicago.
It's going to be funny.
We'll see what happens.
I have a feeling no one's going to enforce it, at least where we're going.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
This is a good one.
Eric A. says, Tim, I appreciate all the work you do in regards to the news, but your takes on entertainment suck more than a struggling actress.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That was a sick burn.
You got me.
But the reality is, my takes on entertainment are as pleasurable as a struggling actress.
unidentified
All right, let's see.
I mean, you could put it that way.
tim pool
Memes, memes, memes.
jack murphy
Skimming, skimming, skimming.
tim pool
Oh, but I always do this.
This is normal.
unidentified
He does, that's true.
Yeah.
tim pool
And we'll read a couple more here.
Dan Scope says, I'm 31 and a captain in the military.
12 years of my life committed to service, and soon I'll be starting over from scratch and refusing to follow a lawful order.
Any advice for starting over?
Great show.
Oh, man.
jack murphy
One foot in front of the other, one foot in front of the other, and never stop.
tim pool
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
lydia smith
One day at a time.
tim pool
Just gotta figure it out, man.
jack murphy
Look, I want to address one more thing from the article and stuff that's coming up in the chats.
People are saying that I use this word, little girls, and they're trying to make it out like I'm some sort of pedo.
Come on, guys.
Little girls is about BDSM.
Daddy, little girl.
Let's just put that out there.
I'm older.
She's younger.
People come to me.
It's a kink thing.
Daddy, little girl.
Get over it, guys.
I'm sorry that I had sex, y'all.
Get a life, dude.
Jeez.
That's it.
Next.
tim pool
I'm gonna keep... I said this a couple weeks ago, I would forgive Jesse Smollett if he apologized.
I would forgive Joey Salad if he apologized.
I'm not here to play with, you know, stupid drama issues.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I want to talk about important issues and expanding and growing and, you know, whatever.
All right, Ellen... Lynn Jin says, so as a billionaire, Tim, you would just be paying Michael Malice to be Michael Malice just on a bigger scale?
Oh, yeah!
unidentified
Yes, we would!
tim pool
Man, I would be like, Michael, what's your budget requirement?
Do everything!
It'd be amazing!
But it's more than just money, though, I will admit.
Michael needs to be a press secretary for, you know, in a presidential campaign.
He needs, there's positions you can get to without, you know, with money, without money, so... But yeah, definitely.
I'd just be like, here's a million dollars, Michael.
Like, please, continue to be yourself and just do more of this.
I'd actually be like, do you know anyone else we could hire to be on Twitter doing the same thing?
And they would be like, Tim Pool runs this propaganda farm with all these people on Twitter.
What do they do?
They post weird trolling posts.
I can't, I don't know.
Make people look dumb, I guess.
jack murphy
Michael's a guy that I would like to make contact with.
I haven't been able to get in touch with him.
lydia smith
He's interesting.
tim pool
Oh yeah, he's out in Austin.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's read a couple more.
Let's read a couple more.
Wow, we're getting just so many super chats.
jack murphy
Rack it up.
Buy me some more top shelf Japanese booze with this money, would you?
tim pool
Eggman says, so if people disagree or point something out that you don't like, surely they can't be your usual audience?
Come on, man.
No, I didn't say that.
I'm saying that if, so if we have thousands of dollars in Super Chats that we don't normally get, that means there's more people here giving us Super Chats than they normally do.
That's what I'm saying.
jack murphy
Yeah.
And people who are observing, who are friends of mine or whatever, they're texting me about the chats are like, it seems like a different crew in there.
Although I got to say, ordinarily the chats are pretty vicious.
There's pretty, there's like bots in there.
There's people being mean in there.
It's an interesting place for people to get their sort of jollies.
tim pool
I think it's funny that, you know, on, what was it?
Like November 7th, I said, Joe Biden won the election.
And all the Trump people were like, Tim Pool is a loser, and started yelling at me, and I'm like, well, I guess whatever.
Like, I don't know, people think that I'm going to change my opinions because they're yelling at me in chat, and then people are saying, like, I'm unsubscribing or whatever, and I'm like, I guess.
Yo, if you don't like me, like, I'm sorry, you don't like me.
You're allowed not to, and you're free to watch other shows.
jack murphy
The data doesn't bear that out though, does it?
tim pool
Well, no, look, I'll say this right now.
If there's a bunch of people who are watching, big fans of the show, and they're mad at me over my stance on this, then with respect, I genuinely mean this.
I'm sorry I let you down.
And if you don't want to watch the show anymore, then, you know, that's the choice you've made.
I can only be me and I will only ever be me.
So if you don't like it, then maybe there's nothing more I can do.
Maybe, maybe I'm not the guy for you.
I don't know.
We're going to keep doing these shows.
jack murphy
There you go, Tim.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's, uh, we'll read a couple more here.
Let's see.
Bezinski says, when are you creating Tim coin and NFTs?
We're working on NFTs.
We're working on all the art, the portraits we have of creating just like a digital version of the art.
You know, we, we had like, uh, some funny ideas and they were like trading card versions.
And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't want to sell likeness on a trading card.
We just have portraits of people they signed and we want to post the pictures of them and then give people their, like, you know, NFT version of it, the digital version and the physical version.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
unidentified
Let's get a super chat down here.
jack murphy
The scroll time in between chats is longer than usual today.
tim pool
It's not longer than usual.
There's no Luke and Ian to keep talking while I'm scrolling.
jack murphy
That's true.
tim pool
There you go.
jack murphy
I killed Luke before the show.
unidentified
It's true.
He did.
lydia smith
It was bloody.
jack murphy
There is only one and it is I.
tim pool
Tyler Miel says, would love to come ride your skate park with you from MD.
Love the show, Tim.
Um, we're thinking about doing an open skate night.
The problem is liability.
Like we weren't able to get people here, so we need to get the new space.
jack murphy
If I tried to ollie, I would break my ankle immediately.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
jack murphy
That'd be fun to see.
lydia smith
I'd watch that.
jack murphy
Watch me break my ankle on a skateboard?
unidentified
I'm joking.
lydia smith
I'd feel terrible.
jack murphy
You are.
tim pool
Okay, let's see.
Um, there was one I was looking for kind of disappeared after I must have, someone must have removed it.
Okay, okay, there.
Here it is.
So Dima Koleftis says, Did you Jack make amends to Sydney?
Honestly, all I care about.
jack murphy
A hundred percent.
I made amends to her within a handful of hours privately.
She responded.
She accepted my apology.
She offered her own apology.
She in no way intended to put me in a bad spot and she acknowledged that she didn't pick up on the signals and the direct A request that I was making of her to not talk about that subject.
She apologized to me.
I apologized to her.
We made up.
Elijah and I went out that night.
We made up.
You know, we apologized.
We made up.
Everything is all good with me, Sydney, and Elijah.
And we've been DMing about this being like, why are people still talking about this?
Why doesn't everybody just let it go?
You know, me and Sydney are cool.
Everybody else should be cool.
tim pool
The reason I want to read that last one just in case anybody who joined in and didn't know that they may have seen drama or whatever and didn't know that you guys had apologized and everything.
jack murphy
Yeah, and I did publicly on my Twitter also.
tim pool
I just want to say this.
If you guys want to win a culture war, you have to forgive people.
If you want to lose a culture war, you can be like the cancel culture leftists and engage in a circular firing squad.
But that's why when Joey Salads first tweeted at me and I snapped at him, I was like, that's a big mistake.
That's a big, big mistake.
Joey's got his platform.
He's an influential guy.
I should hear what he has to say.
I should talk to him about it.
And if he's genuinely saying he's sorry, then I should absolutely work with him on this because we want people to be on the right side of freedom and liberty.
And then people are like, yeah, but he's only apologizing because his career will end if he doesn't, and I'm like, well, okay then, if we can make him be a better person, because he's got a fear behind it, I'm like, at the very least, he'll be doing good.
That's why I just say, man, anybody who apologizes, I'm willing to give forgiveness to a certain extent.
With that being said, smash that like button if you like the show, and if you don't, feel free to not, like, smash the like button or whatever, but also go to TimCast.com, become a member.
It's a very Merry Christmas.
It's a very Merry Christmas to all of you.
We have two trees here at the TimCast HQ because we celebrate double Christmas.
And presents under the trees.
jack murphy
What's better than one?
unidentified
Two!
Two!
Yes!
tim pool
And for everybody who celebrates other holidays, you know, much respect to your holidays as well.
Happy holidays, happy Hanukkah, you know, and whatever.
I'm not familiar with many of the other holidays, otherwise I would say that.
But we here at the TimCast compound, we're very into Christmas.
It's just always been our, you know, I grew up with Christmas.
It's my thing.
You guys, if you don't do Christmas, much respect.
Do your thing.
We'll do our Christmas, have a good time, and we're gonna go off to the city and enjoy ourselves.
So thanks for hanging out with us.
Thanks for everything.
Thanks for smashing the like button.
Thanks for subscribing.
Thanks for making this year absolutely amazing.
The New Year's is going to be a whole lot of fun.
We're not going to be working on New Year's Eve.
It's a Friday and nobody wants to come.
So there's nothing I can do about it.
I was like, who are we going to get on New Year's?
And everyone's like, we're not going.
We're going to be partying.
And I'm like, all right.
So that's what's happening.
But I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much, everybody, for sticking with us for the year and watching.
Next year is going to get absolutely crazy with the midterm elections.
Yeah, you can follow the show at Timcast IRL, basically everywhere else.
You can subscribe to this channel.
You can follow me at Timcast on Instagram or Twitter or whatever if you want.
I just troll on Twitter.
It's just ridiculous nonsense.
Jack, you want to shout anything out?
jack murphy
Yeah, man.
Thanks to everybody for listening and tuning in.
Jack Murphy Live on Twitter.
Jack Murphy Live on YouTube.
Great podcast.
Very in-depth.
Evergreen issues, philosophy, politics, culture, etc.
Jack Brunch!
227 Washington DC.
Oh, no, I don't know.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
We'll look.
Oh, that's true.
We'll call it the Washington DC metropolitan area.
We will find a, the closest jurisdiction to the area.
It may end up being here, but 227 jacked brunch, J C K E D brunch.com.
Tim will be there.
Lydia will be there.
Ian will be there.
Luke is dead.
So he won't be there.
tim pool
I got a place.
jack murphy
What's that?
tim pool
I got a place in mind.
jack murphy
All right.
We'll talk about it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Let's do it after the show.
jack murphy
There's going to be well over a hundred people there.
It's going to be awesome.
It's on a Sunday.
It's a Sunday brunch, bro.
tim pool
I got a place.
We got to call them now though.
unidentified
All right.
jack murphy
Let's do it.
tim pool
All right.
jack murphy
After the show.
tim pool
After the show.
jack murphy
Don't announce it.
tim pool
I won't.
jack murphy
People will cancel us.
lydia smith
And I am also here.
Thank you for joining, Jack.
jack murphy
Thank you, Lids.
Thanks for having me.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm delighted to have our show tonight.
And I do have to say I'm very excited for Christmas as well.
I feel like my life has been transformed over the last little while.
So I'm very optimistic for the future.
Excited about the new year.
You guys might follow me on Twitter at Sarah Patchlitz.
jack murphy
Excellent.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
Have an excellent Christmas.
Have a happy holiday.
And we will see you all next Monday when we are back.
Thanks for hanging out.
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