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Timcast IRL - DeSantis Plans Civilian Military As Tensions Rise Between States & Biden w/Kari Lake
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tim pool
Thanks for watching.
Rather scary, isn't it?
Until you read the story, and I think even Sarah Silverman tweeted this, like, please be, you know, fact, the truth matters, and everyone was surprised.
It would be the 23rd civilian military force.
They've existed in many, many states for a long time.
It's actually not all that crazy.
What is kind of worrying is that the tensions between the states and the Biden administration have gotten to the point where Ron DeSantis is like, yo, we can't rely on the National Guard or the Pentagon or Biden to come to our aid in the event of a hurricane or disaster or something like that.
So we'll make a civilian military force.
And of course, many of these individuals who are complaining about a Gestapo didn't realize that New York not only has lockdowns mandates, but they also have a civilian military force.
But we'll break all that down.
It's interesting.
We got some interesting news coming from UnHerd.
They interviewed a woman Who actually spent time in one of these internment camps in Australia.
And her story is actually quite freaky, saying they offered her drugs because of her anxiety.
They wouldn't let her go outside.
They threatened her with fines if she took one step off the porch of her building.
That doesn't sound like hot babe suntanning.
That's what I was told by Quillette.
And then we've got Jussie Smollett's lawyer apparently claiming the judge lunged at her and they want a mistrial, but...
We're gonna get in all these stories, and probably a whole lot more, because we're being joined by Carrie Lake, who is, you have this viral video where I guess you resigned from mainstream media, we'll call it, corporate press.
Now you're running for governor of Arizona, and you've got a lot of opinions about a lot of things, and I think we'll just play into it.
It's a Friday night, we'll chill, and we'll go through all of that.
Awesome, happy to be here.
Yeah, you wanna introduce yourself real quick?
kari lake
I'm the candidate for governor, and Trump endorsed in Arizona,
and I spent 27 years covering Arizona as a journalist and the mainstream media, and had a great career.
I was number one at 20, for 22 years, I worked for the Fox station.
And Arizona's a unique market, because you reach 85% of the state.
So the name recognition is really intense when you work in a market like that.
And for 22 years, we were number one.
And at the height of my career, making good money, working at a solid station,
I just realized that the propaganda that the corporate media is pushing
is not something that I can do.
And it ceased being just biased and unethical, and I think during COVID it moved into the realm of being immoral.
And being a Christian woman, I just thought, I can't do this anymore.
I can't read.
I was feeling sick reading the news.
And I always felt that everything I put out was truthful, and it started to feel where kind of the walls were closing in, and I couldn't get the truth out as I wanted to.
It was half-truth.
So I walked away.
tim pool
I can tell you the confirmation bias of all of our viewers is lighting up.
They're all really excited.
Oh, good.
kari lake
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
But we'll get into all that stuff for sure.
We got Luke chillin'.
luke rudkowski
I like to say satanic, but that's just me personally, myself.
There's a lot of exciting things happening in Florida, and hell, I mean, I soon might join the gator-eating Florida man state guard, especially if Tim starts selling more shorts.
That's why today I am wearing my own official shirt, which you could support me if you get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
The shirt reads, Make Florida America.
No, it doesn't.
Make America Florida.
That's something a Florida man would do.
Florida man all the way.
And TheBestPoliticalShirts.com.
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
Yo, Ian Crosland here.
What's up, everybody?
Happy to be here.
Good to see you, Carrie.
unidentified
Hi.
ian crossland
Looking forward to talking and learning a little bit tonight.
lydia smith
I have a couple different things to say.
Tonight is our 420th episode.
I really wanted to have Joe Grogan in this episode, but I'm delighted that you're here.
kari lake
I'm so sorry.
lydia smith
It's fine, it's fine.
It's not how it worked out.
kari lake
I'll try to do my best.
lydia smith
But we're going to have super fun on this episode.
And I just wanted to say, I did see a comment from somebody who said they grew up watching you.
I think that's really nice.
That's great.
kari lake
I get that a lot, a lot, yeah.
So it's our 420th episode.
tim pool
We're gonna need 69,000 likes, so smash that like button.
We're not gonna get that, but sure.
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This is a poster that is trolling the entire nation Let's talk about what's going on in Florida.
It says visit Howard Springs and it's two people chilling on the beach
Wearing masks with razor wire as a man flees from a police boat and it says visit Howard Springs
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Let's talk about what's going on in Florida. We got the story from CNN.com
The Santas proposes a new civilian military force in Florida that he would control
I love how they frame it that way, as if it's like, ooh, he would be in charge.
I mean, yeah, he's the governor, right?
But they also mention that if Florida goes ahead with this plan to re-establish a civilian force, which existed before, it would be the 23rd active state guard in the country.
DeSantis's office said in a press release joining California, Texas, and New York,
these guards are little-known auxiliary forces. So all of a sudden, all over Twitter,
they're claiming he's forming the Gestapo and the Republicans are Nazis. And when I saw this tweet
from Sarah Silverman, where she was like, please read the article, The Truth Matters, I was like,
whoa, something's... Deborah Messing came out about the Waukesha attack and said it was a
unidentified
massacre, call it what it is. Yeah, that was surprising, wasn't it?
tim pool
Right. But now Sarah Silverman being like, The Truth Matters, I'm like, wow,
kari lake
something's happening. I think the Holly weirdos are waking up.
Holly weirdos? They're waking up, which is good. They need to.
tim pool
You were telling us, I guess, if you were to become, when you are to become governor of Arizona.
Thank you.
That's right.
You were going to do the same thing?
kari lake
Yeah, we've talked about this already.
We have the Arizona Rangers and we would bring them back.
I mean, right now they're kind of a force that helps out volunteer great men and women, but we would bring them back as a force.
We really need our own border protection there because the Border Patrol is not able to do their job right now.
We have a border crisis happening.
I'm sure you're aware of it.
I know you're thousands of miles from the Arizona border.
tim pool
We have had many journalists and witnesses on the show talking about the crisis.
luke rudkowski
And I think Florida is also sending its police forces down to the border to help Texas enforce its border laws as well.
And DeSantis had a very interesting comment about this announcement because he said one of the benefits of this guard would that it would be quote not encumbered by the federal government.
That's his exact quote here.
That's why I'm like, hey, maybe, you know, maybe I could give it a give this a try.
He's going to start off with 200 volunteers.
He wants a budget of 3.5 million to start up this guard.
But when we're at a situation where soon the Oklahoma National Guard might soon become the Oklahoma state militia because of federal policies, this doesn't seem like an absurd policy.
This seems like a policy that is inevitable, in my opinion, especially with how hyper politicized everything's becoming from my perspective.
kari lake
Well, even if you take the politics out of it, we have a crisis at the border.
We have people streaming across.
We have drugs coming across and coming into our communities.
And they're not just staying in Arizona.
It's kind of like the slogan in Vegas, what happens in Vegas doesn't stay in Vegas.
Is that what it is?
What happens in Arizona doesn't stay in Arizona when it comes to our border.
It really does spread across the country.
So it's important for the whole country.
But we need to work with, and if I were governor right now, unfortunately I won't be governor until January of 23, Tim.
But this problem can't go on until then.
We're not going to have a country.
And so we need to do something now, and our current governor needs to work with some of the friendly red states and say, hey, can we borrow some of your law enforcement, bring them down, help us protect the border, and let's start building the wall right now.
What is Joe Biden going to do?
Come down and arrest us?
tim pool
I was watching a clip from CNN that was on Reddit, and it was a panel with a bunch of Trump supporters, I guess.
And it was making fun of them, because this little old lady said 3 million illegal immigrants voted in the election.
And it was Dan, I can't remember who, I think, it wasn't Dan Abash.
I can't remember who was interviewing him, but a CNN woman.
She goes, you really believe 3 million illegal immigrants voting?
And she's like, yes, you know, the president encouraged him to vote, blah, blah, blah.
And here are these two groups of people saying things and CNN, she's like, I looked it up.
It's fake news.
You know, whatever.
It didn't happen.
I get it.
And I'm sitting there like they're both missing the mark.
The fact of the matter is every single illegal immigrant in this country adds voting power
and does impact the presidential election.
Quite simply, when we vote for the president, we are not voting as individuals in a popular vote.
We are having our states do an electoral vote.
Electoral votes are based on congressional districts.
Congressional districts are apportioned based on the total population, not total citizen population.
That means If Arizona sees a massive influx of non-citizens into dense urban areas, when they do the census, the dense urban areas get extra congressional seats based on non-citizens, which adds equivalent voting power in presidential elections.
So I believe there were some estimates that California in the past got one extra electoral vote because of their illegal immigrant population.
So no.
I don't believe illegal immigrants are showing up en masse by the millions to vote in the elections and no one's catching it, but I do think it's fairly obvious.
Whether you want to argue that or not, the point is, outside of it, we know that if they do the census and there's no citizenship question, then you are going to get congressional seats that are being allocated specifically to non-citizens.
So yeah, they're effectively getting their voting power in.
kari lake
And President Trump wanted that question to be asked.
Are you a citizen?
And the courts ruled against him on that.
So, I mean, we had people voting who shouldn't have voted, I believe, in Arizona.
And we had the forensic audit.
To me, the biggest problem, it was multi-layered what happened there.
You know, you just look at the mail-in ballots that didn't have a signature or had a little scribble.
They weren't checking.
tim pool
They weren't verifying it.
kari lake
Yeah, they weren't verifying it.
And when you look at the number of questionable ballots out there, Compared to what the margin of the victory was, there are way too many questionable ballots to say that one person won and one didn't.
tim pool
This is what we actually heard from Matt Brainerd.
We've had him on the show several times.
And he's never come out and, at least to us, made a definitive and hard statement.
He's always said there are questions based on, you know, how many votes.
I don't know how to phrase it properly because I don't want to put words in his mouth.
I'm trying to be very careful for his sake.
But he was basically saying, we can't know.
These things need to be looked into and investigated because these right here are red flags.
kari lake
Well, if one person won, and I'm trying to be very careful because I know YouTube has a bunch of issues.
If one person won by 10,457 votes and you have hundreds of thousands or even 100,000 or 200,000 questionable ballots that could have been problematic, and I'm being careful with my words here, Then you're looking at, wow, 200, 300,000 problematic votes and the margin of victory was just over 10,000.
So.
Issues, issues.
tim pool
How do you resolve something like that?
Like, are the courts in Arizona going to go and investigate this?
I know there was a big audit.
kari lake
I am for expanding the forensic audit to all 15 counties because even counties, and here's the deal, Trump Supporters would never want Trump to win in a questionable way.
I want my guy to win, of course, but I don't want him to win at the risk of throwing our elections into tumult.
And I want secure elections that we can have faith in.
And that's what I plan to do as governor.
I think that's one of the reasons I got President Trump's endorsement.
He knows that we're not going to sweep 2020 under the rug.
We're going to take a look at it.
We have this forensic audit that was done really well, despite what the fake media and the corrupt media is reporting.
And we're going to take everything that we found from there and we're going to fix it.
I'm a mom, so I do lists and I check them off and to-do lists.
And it might not happen before the 2020 because I don't think we have enough strong leaders in office who are going to say, you know what?
I don't care what they say about me.
We're doing this for our country to keep our republic together.
We're doing it for Arizona.
tim pool
I'll tell you, I think Republicans need to be working on ground game and looking at the laws that were changed, looking at the policies across the country.
kari lake
And a lot were changed in Arizona leading up to the election.
A lot of laws were changed by people who had no right to change in the legislature.
I think we saw that in Georgia.
right to change election laws and all of these people, Adrian Fontes and all of these local
people usurped the legislature to change election laws.
tim pool
That's illegal.
I think we saw that in Georgia.
I think we, in Pennsylvania was interesting because I want to be careful not, you know,
So for people who aren't familiar, we'll give you, I'll give you the context.
But, you know, Pennsylvania, a year before the election, I think it was October, the Republican legislature voted for universal mail-in ballots.
And initially they were going to call it, I think, I think they were going to say universal absentee or something.
And then they realized it was unconstitutional because the Pennsylvania constitution specifically says you can't do this.
So they stopped Pulled it back halfway, and then changed some wording and pushed it through.
And a lower court judge actually said, hey, that looks like it's not constitutional.
When it went to the higher court in Pennsylvania, they said, you're too late, have a nice day.
Didn't even rule on it.
So I think the big play for Republicans coming into 2022, there's two big things I think people need to do.
Looking into everything you've said, for one, I definitely think matters, but in order to get to the point where you can get that investigation and make sure you're getting legitimate information, getting a legitimate investigation, not that I'm not saying the forensic audit didn't happen, I'm saying the power to actually look through these things, enact things, primaries.
Make sure the establishment Republicans, if you're voting Republican, aren't the ones who are going to get back in and then just jam everything up voting locally.
So people who are in Arizona need to be thinking about their state senators, their state representatives, their governor.
kari lake
School board.
tim pool
School board, for sure.
Because you look at a lot of what happened when it comes to the presidential election, and I tell people this.
It was Time magazine, I think, right?
The shadow campaign to fortify the election.
There's an article they wrote.
kari lake
That lays it out.
tim pool
They talk about changing laws, they talk about changing rules, they talk about ground game, they talk about activists going out, and I'm like, that all right there is laid out for you.
If you want to address those things, you need local politicians, you need state-level politicians, you need to win your legislature, you need to win your governorship, and you need to win even your council, your school board especially.
But a lot of people are just looking at Congress, thinking that if I vote for my rep in Congress, it's going to affect these things.
That ain't it.
kari lake
It's from the ground up, basically.
And we're seeing it huge in Arizona right now with school boards.
And I'm going to admit, I thought I was a really informed voter for years.
I've always voted since I was 18 years old.
But I never paid enough attention to school boards.
And we have a situation in Scottsdale where we have a 27-year-old guy, unmarried, no children, living with his parents, who's on the school board, making a lot of decisions about our children.
And it was just revealed in the last month or so that he, a computer at his home, was keeping a dossier on 40-plus, nearly 50 parents who had the, you know, audacity to step up at school board meetings and say, hey, wait a minute, what's being taught to our kids now?
You know, 2020 woke up a lot of parents when they walked past the Zoom camera and heard what was being taught to their kids and they went, What the heck is going on here?
And so they start asking questions and this guy, who's the president of the school board, again 27, no kids in the school district, starts keeping a file on them.
tim pool
But I mean, what was he doing?
Was he like stalking, pulling up background information?
kari lake
He's saying his dad did it, but it was on the computer at his home.
Pulling up all of the people who spoke out, the moms, pulling up very detailed information about the family.
So it would be, if you spoke out and you had a divorce in your family, the divorce decree.
Now this took somebody to go down to the courts pull a thousand page divorce decree, a lot of
private information.
This is one of my friends whose divorce decree was pulled up. Information that even their
children didn't know because you know when you have little ones sometimes you
don't want them knowing all of the nitty-gritty details of what led. And
what was he going to use this for?
A single mom who was a nurse, her information was pulled up, her nursing
license number and then there was a new complaint against her nursing license
and I hope to God it didn't come from this guy.
Here she is trying to make a living, put food on the table for her little one, and someone is really cyber-stalking and bullying her.
It had photographs of little girls, 8, 10, 13 year old.
They were children of the parents who spoke out.
PIs were hired to follow some of the parents and get license plate numbers.
One woman said all of her assets were listed.
tim pool
One mom said... For the school board?
kari lake
Yeah, so he's collecting a dossier to go out.
Who knows what he's going to do with it?
To go after these people?
To sue them?
We don't know.
But when they discovered it accidentally, they were shocked.
Imagine going in here and going, whoa, my divorce decree?
My bank?
What the heck?
My children's pictures?
So it's really scary.
One woman said they had created a meme, I guess you call it.
I'm going to sound really old if it's not a meme.
She said, meant to make her look racist.
It was a picture of her, this mother, and he shared it with all the school teachers at the school.
It was a picture of her next to a slave hanging from a tree.
This is a mother who was trying to paint her as racist.
She'd done nothing wrong except ask about her kid's curriculum.
I get angry and emotional when I think about it because it is our right as parents to question that and not be doxxed, harassed, have PIs come after us and have a dossier collected.
ian crossland
How is it that a guy with no kids is on the school board?
kari lake
Well, here's why, and thank you for bringing me back to the story.
I got triggered there.
He ran unopposed.
Nobody was running.
And this is what I'm getting to.
We think we're all involved, and we know I'm not going to run for Congress.
I've researched everybody.
These are the people I want.
But we have to go down the ballot.
School board is the most important race.
Because these are the people affecting what our kids are learning, and now we're seeing what years and years and decades of bad curriculum have done.
We're seeing it churned out in our schools, and this anti-American studies.
The American history is now anti-American history, and it's pretty scary.
tim pool
So which generation is at fault?
Was it the boomers who were not teaching kids proper values, which resulted in teachers?
So I'll put it this way.
You've got teachers.
Like this guy, he's 27, right?
So he's an older millennial.
And they have these wacky views.
Many of them are communists.
Many of them hate America.
Many of them are overtly racist or identitarian.
So they're being taught by boomers.
How did this ideology become so prevalent among the millennial generation to the point where now in schools, teachers are believing this insanity?
kari lake
I mean, I grew up in the 70s and 80s.
My dad was a public school teacher, taught history, government, he was a football coach.
He would be horrified.
I mean, I'm glad he's not with us today because he would be so horrified by what's being taught.
I don't know where it started to seep in.
I really don't.
But I think it, I mean, I know that a lot of people probably your age, I mean, what were you taught, Tim?
How was history portrayed to you?
tim pool
It's funny because I always see these things on Twitter where these woke millennials are like, they don't actually teach people in school about slavery, Jim Crow, and the Trail of Tears.
And I'm like, I was taught all of that.
I don't understand.
kari lake
But were you taught it where you continued along beyond that?
I mean, obviously those are really deep scars and very difficult moments in our history.
But as history continued to be taught and the years moved on and you're moving through what happened in our history, was it always that the European settlers are always the oppressor or people who are white are the oppressor?
tim pool
Never.
And it was interesting, though, because it was very Eurocentric history, of course.
I mean, we're a nation that has founding in European colonization.
But I remember being taught about Christopher Columbus when I was a little kid.
I tell the story, how he discovers America.
And my mom was like, Leif Erikson was here first.
kari lake
Norwegian, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
kari lake
Are you Norwegian?
unidentified
No.
kari lake
Okay.
My dad's Norwegian.
He's like, Leif Erikson, not Christopher Columbus.
tim pool
But hold on.
And then my mom was like, there were already people here.
Like the Native Americans, crossing the Bering Strait.
So who discovered it?
To say it's discovered is to be from a perspective of Europe.
Now, the interesting thing is, that perspective I get from my mom, she never said, and that's why white people are evil.
No, she was like, well, the European historical perspective is how they came to discover America.
But there were other people here.
They have their histories.
And it was just like, ah, interesting.
It's very, you know, pragmatic and more objective.
But what you're getting from the woke millennial generation and these teachers is, and because they came here and it was conquest, these people are all evil.
Colonization is evil.
It's white supremacy.
kari lake
And where does it end?
I mean, we keep teaching this.
What is the goal of that?
tim pool
I think it's the... Division?
I view it like fire.
It's consuming, it's destroying, and it has no real directional end.
You know, if you look at traditional American values, it was moving in a direction towards something.
Civil rights emerged, you ended up with...
I mean, civil rights is really a great example of this.
Innocent until proven guilty.
This is something that's rooted very much in the Bible.
And I know a lot of atheists and a lot of leftists don't want to recognize that that's where it came.
It really did in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot.
So you actually had, over a long period of time, the bad things that came with these traditions being removed as people don't tolerate the violence anymore.
A good example is how dueling eventually stopped happening.
Because the younger generation, there was one young generation that said, hey, you guys just killed each other over a fight.
That's dumb.
And so they stopped doing it.
Then you end up, we end up as a country that starts with slavery, but within 80 or so years, we're like, we're going to fight a bloody death to make sure we end this.
Then you get civil rights.
We were actually doing a really great job, but a lot of it was rooted in a Christian moral framework.
Whether people like it or don't, that's literally the framework that was set upon.
kari lake
The Judeo-Christian tradition.
tim pool
But now we have with Wokeness something completely separate from that moral framework.
And they don't believe in innocent until proven guilty at all.
I mean, we just had a story of a Black Lives Matter activist, his name is Cortez Rice, showing up at the judge's house Apartment in the Dante Wright case he since he subsequently been arrested.
I don't know $50,000 bail he went to the home It was reported or at least he was trying to I don't know exactly where the judge lives But he was filming himself do it They do not believe in the values that you know have been established here in the United States so what I see is that kind of behavior is Very much in line with what we saw with the communists, but also the fascists.
And it was David Graeber, the late David Graeber, who said that a sect of the left has embraced the fascistic ideology, there is no truth but power.
And so now what we're seeing is...
When I often talk about how there's two different realities in the United States, and that's why left and right seem to be meaningless.
Like, you know, economically, I'm actually rather left.
I think universal basic health care, things like these, very nuanced.
We have to get into an argument about them.
But however, I find myself hanging out with independents, libertarians, conservatives, and disaffected liberals.
Because I think what separates us from the rival, I guess what you would call the left, is our moral framework tends to be rooted very much in Judeo-Christian values, even though we aren't theistic.
I'm not a religious person, but Bill Maher is a good example.
His values, free speech, innocent until proven guilty, these classically or traditionally liberal values, are rooted in Judeo-Christian moral frameworks.
That doesn't mean you have to agree with the Bible or the Torah.
kari lake
But if we tear that apart, then we don't have a country, and then we have chaos.
But you can be Democrat, you can be Libertarian, you can be Conservative, you can be Republican, whatever.
But we all have to agree that the freedom of speech Innocent until proven guilty.
That the system we have, which the U.S.
Constitution is the greatest system out there.
I mean, there's nothing better.
And if we can agree on that, but what's happening now is you have people who are on the left, and I worked in media for 30 years, 27 in Arizona.
I know journalists who are for censorship.
That is shocking to me.
tim pool
This is the craziest thing to me.
kari lake
It's like the First Amendment, freedom of speech.
Nope, they're for censorship.
tim pool
There's a group called Free Press.
And I knew several people from Free Press.
And I remember when they banned Alex Jones, FreePress.net was advocating, before he got banned, they were advocating for his censorship.
And I said, I was like, what's the name of your organization again?
Free Press.
And I was like, and what is this campaign?
We're trying to get a media organization banned.
kari lake
I've had the local paper, a journalist, and I'm using that, he's an activist, write articles about me and suggest that I have my Twitter page taken down.
I can't remember what it was.
Was it over the, something like talking about ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and suggest that I have my, that I be completely banned from social media.
And this is a journalist.
To me, that's shocking.
I mean, we're talking about going on here, the things you can say, the things you can't say.
We're in an era right now where censorship is happening.
We have to live under it, unfortunately.
I want to ban censorship in Arizona when I'm governor.
Oh, that's clever.
And there will be hell to pay if a company tries to keep you from having free speech.
luke rudkowski
I mean, free speech is absolutely essential.
If you look at progression of humanity, it happens under freedom.
And I think America represents that freedom.
Obviously, it doesn't have a perfect record.
Obviously, the military industrial complex has caused a lot of global harm, I would argue.
Speaking representatively, America stands for freedom, and to me, you have to destroy this larger experiment, this larger idea, because when you do, you get rid of something that is extremely rare in human history.
If you'll get human history, this ability to be able to defend yourself, this ability to be able to say whatever you want.
is extremely rare, and if they destroy the founding of this country that was based on those principles and those ideas, they could destroy that freedom that also comes with it, and I think they have been successful in many ways already doing it without many people even realizing.
kari lake
Well, let's think about it.
Freedom of religion.
We had our churches shut down.
Did you ever think... I mean, I'm probably the oldest one here, I'm assuming.
luke rudkowski
Walmart was open, but you couldn't go to church.
unidentified
Yeah.
kari lake
I mean, I never thought a day would come when churches were shut down in this country.
Whether you go to church or not, isn't that something that is a main tenet of this country?
tim pool
The first amendment.
kari lake
The very first freedom.
ian crossland
I think about what things could get changed if we were to lose the government in some crazy... Things like murdering might now become... Things we think of as just inherently illegal and wrong, without question, could then become totally normal, normalized in a new regime.
tim pool
In Portland, when Aaron Danielson was shot in the chest, the leftists cheered.
ian crossland
And you saw what happened at Chaz.
People got killed at Chaz.
kari lake
One of my staffers lived in Chaz.
He was embedded in Chaz.
ian crossland
And the way we protect children in this society.
kari lake
He's not for that.
He was in as an outsider going in there to check it out.
tim pool
I'd like to say to people who've never met Luke, I'll be like, Luke's been to Epstein Island.
And then they go like, whoa, whoa.
luke rudkowski
It's not good at parties.
People are like, what?
And then people start looking at me like I'm some kind of creeper.
kari lake
Were you the guy that went there after it was closed down and got the video?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah.
I went there when I saw... Why didn't you tell me that when I met Luke?
tim pool
Because if I walked up to you and said, this guy's been to Epstein Island, you'd be like, what?
luke rudkowski
And it happens all the time.
kari lake
Was that the time that Jeffrey Epstein was there and he drove up in the little golf cart?
luke rudkowski
Well, there was a drone footage of allegedly someone that looked like Epstein in the golf cart.
And when I saw that, after he allegedly, you know, offed himself, I was like, I need to go there.
I need to fact find this.
I need to verify this.
So that's when me and my friends went to the island, crashed it, and tried to get as much publicity about this event as much as possible because no one was talking about it in the corporate media, but all online.
All online there's this hashtag, Epstein didn't kill himself, there was people asking questions, there's people making memes, they were making songs, they were making t-shirts, they were demanding to know what was going on here and that voice wasn't heard other than of course independent media and as independent media I decided we need to do this, we need to step things up.
kari lake
You guys are the new mainstream media and I mean that in a good way.
The mainstream media now is the alternative independent media and that's taking over, thank God.
tim pool
Let me ask you about this.
You worked for 22 years in your mainstream media, I guess?
30 years mainstream media.
27 years covering Arizona as a journalist and an anchor, and 22 of those years, my last 22, for the Fox affiliate.
kari lake
years. Right. A 27 years covering Arizona as a journalist and an anchor and 22 of
those years my last 22 for the Fox affiliate. When did it go wrong? In I
think the media really you know there were always places you could work that
I mean, obviously CNN, crazy.
But, you know, you could also say Fox is more reasonable if you're conservative, and at least they, I believe it was a great place to work.
But I think when President Trump came on the scene, Candidate Trump in 2015, when he came down the escalator, that's when I noticed people in media, and I'm talking all of the networks, starting to really lose it.
Even people that I thought were really reasonable, I'm like, why are you so upset about this guy?
He has a right to run.
He meets the qualifications to run.
Who cares if he runs?
But it was a complete, as I like to say, he cracked the shells off the nuts.
ian crossland
Do you think that it was that they didn't like Trump or that they wanted Hillary to win so bad that they didn't like whoever was coming and it just turned out to be Donald Trump and then they turned him into a boogeyman?
kari lake
I don't know.
I wonder if they had a deep fear that, oh my gosh, this guy could win and our lady won't win, the one we want.
I don't know why.
I can't put my finger on it.
ian crossland
Was there a feeling at Fox or anywhere that you were that there was like an agenda to get a certain person elected?
kari lake
Well, let me put it this way.
When you work in media, 90%, maybe 95% are liberal, for sure, and a big chunk of them are leftist, socialists.
So, you know how we feel about our candidates.
If all of a sudden a newsroom was 95% hardcore conservative, it would change the way things work.
So 95% being liberal, they're like, oh gosh, we don't like this guy.
tim pool
Did you see around the time when the, so it was around 2016 you started to feel like things were changing?
kari lake
It just went really crazy when Trump came around.
And then I really think it went to a whole new level with COVID.
And I believe that initially the 15 days to slow the spread, I think where we were all kind of like, whoa, what's going on here?
Okay, I'm willing to slow things down for 15 days.
I mean, I was reading the news and believing it.
We're seeing Fauci come out.
Who's this new scientist guy?
Oh my gosh, we've got to wipe our groceries down, put our masks on.
I mean, I believed it all.
luke rudkowski
Be afraid of our fellow neighbors and people next to us.
kari lake
Be afraid.
And I work in a neighborhood, and I did a PragerU video, and I really kind of lay out what happened in the media and what brought me to walking away from a very large, comfortable paycheck and, you know, great benefits to just walk away from that.
It has to be something pretty bad.
tim pool
Did you notice around this time that younger people were coming into the workforce?
Like, were you seeing more millennials join your office, your newsroom?
kari lake
Yeah, and I talk a little bit about that.
There was a shift in, and this also plays into how media changed, there was a shift in losing some of the older, more established reporters and journalists.
And I think it's because corporate media took over.
There used to be a lot of regional news.
a company here and a company there owned it.
And then it became, now five or six corporations own all the media.
They bought up all these smaller outlets.
Maybe you had a family who owned three stations.
They bought that up and they just started accumulating more and more media over the years.
And this happened in the 80s and 90s.
And when they accumulated more, they wanted to pare down the bottom line.
So let's say, Tim, you're a 50-year-old seasoned journalist who's been at the station covering the city you live in
for a long time, and they go, Tim, you're making 120,000,
and we're hiring people right out of this college, ASU, for 40,000.
We can hire three people for the price of you.
And they start making your life miserable and, you know, saying no to every story you want to cover.
And pretty soon Tim goes, I don't want to work for this.
tim pool
And guess what?
Those three millennials who've got journalism degrees are very, air quotes right there, theater degrees, social justice warriors, they're going to be communists.
And I'll tell you my thoughts on that.
And this is why I asked.
Um, you know, based on what I had seen when I was working for some of these companies, it was when they were bringing in more and more young people, younger millennials, is when they started to have a bigger influence on the culture.
And what I discovered when I was, uh, you know, managing, you know, uh, I was never a manager, but when I was working with younger people.
kari lake
You're a manager now.
tim pool
Definitely now.
I mean, I'm the CEO of a company, but, uh, not that it's a big company, but, um, what I found is.
Many of these young people had never had a job in their lives.
They had never worked.
And so what happens is they go to school from kindergarten all the way up until they're 22 or 24.
They've always been told what to do and by someone in charge.
So they have no... not within them.
They do not have the, I'll figure this out attitude.
They're not entrepreneurs.
They're not driven.
Quite literally, I experienced when working with these people is they come up to you and say, just tell me what to do.
And I would say, you need to figure it out.
Like, here's your problem.
That's on you.
I did not hire you so that I could solve problems for you.
kari lake
And they weren't given freedom as a child because of Fear that the media put in.
Oh my gosh, don't let your kid ride their bike.
There could be a bad guy who wants to nab them.
There are bad guys out there, don't get me wrong.
But when I was growing up, we had tons of freedom.
My parents would say, get the heck out of the house and don't come back in until we call you.
And we would go out and play.
tim pool
Maybe that's the secret, because I had that too.
kari lake
They didn't have any of that freedom to grow up and learn all these little things.
luke rudkowski
And now CPS is showing up at people's homes because they had their children walk home from school.
That was literally a case that happened here in the United States.
Are you serious?
Yeah, I think also, I mean, we talk about the corporate media a lot, but I think we also have to acknowledge big tech social media and the algorithms, I think, play more of an imperative role to the development of young children, especially with parents literally throwing their phone at a baby just to keep them occupied, showing them their latest kind of Hollywood propaganda, you know, that usually could probably could
have been produced by someone like Harvey Weinstein or some other sicko or creepo.
And I think we have to understand when there's algorithms, they are literally shaping people's
perceptions of reality and when they do that, they could shape your reality to whatever they want. And I think they
did it They did it in such a twisted way where we're seeing record
high suicides, record high depressions, record high mental health issues.
And I think that's done deliberately because when you have someone who's not happy, when you have someone who's not healthy, they're going to be someone that's going to be dependent on someone.
Who's going to be that dependent?
The state, the government, rather than, of course, the parents, the family members, the individuals who are standing up for each other as responsible human beings.
We don't have that anymore.
We have the state as the mom and dad of people's lives.
kari lake
And we saw so many people move into having the state control their life during COVID.
They left their job, had to close down, they left, they're getting paid, they're sitting home.
And now the people who got back out there and got to work are being told, get the job, I don't know if I can say that, or lose your job with the mandates that are out right now.
And so this is, we're taking the final group of people who are the working engine in this society, and they're trying to get them to walk away from their job.
And it's really frightening.
And then what do you do if they say, get the job or leave your job?
And you say, no, I'm not going to get that.
I don't want it.
Whatever the reason being, you want your freedom.
You walk away.
Now you're on the system.
They're destroying the working class.
tim pool
Are you familiar with the band The Offspring?
kari lake
No.
tim pool
You've never heard of them?
kari lake
Can you sing a few lines?
ian crossland
I'm separated.
You know that one from the 90s.
tim pool
I definitely could, and I'd like to, and I actually... I don't... Anyway, anyway.
They're a very big band.
They're very big.
They were super huge in the 90s.
Pop punk.
Yeah, yeah.
They had the biggest, the largest record sales, most of my records sold for any independent label ever.
kari lake
Now I'm embarrassed that I don't... I probably will hear it.
tim pool
You know the song Pretty Fly for a White Guy?
kari lake
Great song.
tim pool
What else?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Anyway, look.
Their drummer was actually kicked out of the band because he had Guillain-Barré syndrome.
And you can't get the vaccine.
Well, the doctor at least said, you're not a candidate.
You can't get this because if you have Guillain-Barré syndrome, they worry you can get nerve issues.
And so when, I guess, when he talked to the band, I don't know exactly what happened.
All I know is ultimately he ends up kicked out of the band for that reason.
Became kind of a big issue in the news a little bit for those that are interested in music,
but that one to me was kind of the most insane.
Now, I was on Joe Rogan's show and he was saying to me that, well, look, man, that's
tough because venues won't let you perform with someone who's unvaccinated.
And I was like, I hear you.
I hear you.
So this band, The Offspring, is a business.
They have an employee.
They need to go to venues to sell their product.
And many of these venues are like, if you're not vaccinated, you can't come in.
It's insane to me that someone based, I mean, first of all, it's insane to me there's a mandate, period.
But to actually tell someone who's got a medical condition, you will lose your job because of your medical condition.
I thought that was illegal.
And you know, look, it's a clever workaround, I suppose.
If the venue won't let you in, the band can be like, we're not letting you go, you just can't work for us anymore.
But if it were me, and this is why I have... I don't know the story from, you know, the main guys at The Offspring.
Dexter Holland's the main guy, and then, you know, his guitarist, Noodles.
I don't know what their side of the story is, but based on what I've heard, If this dude said, look, my doctor says I can't get it, and they said, get out, you're fired, that's scumbaggery.
That is wrong.
kari lake
You know what you do, Travis Tritt, is that the country star who said, you know, I'm not going to perform at these arenas that are mandating my fans come and show any vaccine mandate or show any vaccine passport or that my staff, my band members.
We're in tough times right now.
We're in times where we have to make difficult choices.
And that might mean walking away from a paycheck or walking away from a payday for this band.
But if we don't start standing up and doing the right thing, what's the next step?
luke rudkowski
Comedian Jim Brewer also did that.
tim pool
I just want to point out, again, distress.
I don't know exactly what went on with his band, and I want to be careful, because for all I know, they were throwing pies at each other, and people get fired sometimes.
But if, operating under the assumption that there is a band worth millions of dollars, if you Google search the net worth of Dexter Holland, it's $80 million.
That doesn't mean it really is, but the dude is particularly wealthy.
You've got a drummer, I think who played with him for over a decade, I think like 14 years, And all of a sudden, this thing happens where it's like, venues aren't gonna let you in.
It is mind-blowing to me.
And this is where I say, like, economically, I'm probably lefty, I would never do that to somebody.
If I had a company that was worth $80 million, and we had cash, and the government came down, I would do two things.
The first, I'd say, then we will only play venues that don't have this.
And if for some reason we have no choice because it's a city with fans and we have to play, I will find a session drummer for this show.
Buddy, you've been with us for over a decade, I will not let you down.
I can't fathom a reality in which there are people who are like, I may be worth 80 million dollars, but screw you, you're fired because of what they're doing with this mandate.
That to me is sickening.
kari lake
Well, and that's a good solution, okay?
If we have to perform, we've got fans who want to see us, we have our band, you know, we bring somebody in, you pay the guy who's part of the band for how many years, and then you don't fire him.
People are going to be sued later because we're going to find out this is all unconstitutional.
Yeah, and I think that's why... And this band has to someday, and I don't know if you're religious, meet their maker.
And you're going to meet your maker and you're going to say, I did the right thing or I did the wrong thing.
Or you're going to look at your kids one day and say, when this country hopefully were saved, you're going to say, I was part of saving this country.
tim pool
This is supposed to be a punk band.
It is the antithesis of punk rock.
ian crossland
It sounds like a personality issue.
It's just too weird to not be.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
After 14, 15 years, I don't believe so.
kari lake
But don't these bands make all their money by performing live now?
I heard that, you know, with the record labels, you're not making what you think these guys would make, so they have to perform live.
ian crossland
Some of the people from the 90s got fathered in, grandfathered in, and they're still raking it in with recording deals.
kari lake
But wouldn't being a punk band, wouldn't it be so much cooler to say, you know what?
We're gonna go to this arena, and no, screw it, we're not going there.
We're going to... somebody find a big field, Tim's house out here with all this land, and we're going to do our... Fridamistan.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
We got 50 acres.
kari lake
We're going to Fridamistan.
tim pool
That's what we're doing.
You know, and that's why we... Luke came up with the name, it says Fridamistan.
kari lake
Are you holding concerts there?
tim pool
We are going to.
kari lake
That's great.
tim pool
Well, hopefully.
It's West Virginia, so nobody really cares.
You can do anything you want.
You almost can.
kari lake
Well, when we drove out here, I was like, is this a Blair Witch Project?
What's going on here?
tim pool
We are a few miles away from where they filmed Blair Witch, apparently.
That's what I was told.
kari lake
I can't believe how thick the forest is out here.
tim pool
That's great.
kari lake
I mean, you can't even walk through it, probably, without hitting a tree.
tim pool
We had a bear attack.
We had a bear.
So we have a chicken coop.
It's very nice.
kari lake
It's bigger than my house.
tim pool
No, no, that's New Chicken City.
kari lake
Okay.
tim pool
The ruins of Old Chicken City are in front.
The rubble.
Yeah, it's the old... But we had a bear.
I guess, look, with the lockdowns, there's less refuse, animals become more desperate, and a bear actually... This is basically our front porch.
So you have our front porch, and to the left is where the coop is, and a bear came and actually tried ripping it open, and we had, you know, people around us being like, there was a bear through the neighborhood, and we saw the metal ripped off, and we were like, that was the bear!
So, you know, where I'm going with this is guns.
Because out here in the middle of nowhere- Did you shoot the bear?
kari lake
Is this how this ends?
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
kari lake
Okay.
tim pool
No, no, but that's where I'm going.
The point I'm making is, to wrap up, we're talking about music and freedom.
My attitude is, I will not go to these venues in New York.
Jack Murphy, a good friend of ours, end of the show, he's been doing these events.
And he said, we're gonna do ours on the other side of the river because they've got vaccine mandates in New York and we can do it at a venue without one.
I believe maybe you can't play a stadium because they're all mandating it, but stand up for something, right?
So for us, we have this space and we can do almost anything.
So we'll have a shooting range and we're going to be putting on concerts and we're going to be hosting events where we can just say, you know, screw it.
There's also Pork Fest up in New Hampshire that has, you know, it's all about freedom and they've got the Free State Project.
luke rudkowski
A bunch of Bitcoin conferences.
There's a bunch of free festivals.
There's a bunch of people coming together.
There is a mass awakening with protests happening all over the world in huge record numbers that are absolutely incredible to see, filling the streets for blocks on down.
And I just had this idea randomly, Tim.
I think we should do a parody of the Blair Witch Project.
We go to the woods that they filmed it in, but we have firearms, so if someone messes with us, we just shoot them.
That's the end of the movie.
It's like, okay, that's what happens when you're armed.
You're able to defend yourself and no one's able to, you know, hurt you or kill you.
kari lake
Right.
We wouldn't have had a two hour terrifying movie.
luke rudkowski
It'll be like two minutes long.
We're walking in the woods.
Oh, there's someone trying to hurt us.
kari lake
Trying to kill him.
tim pool
It'll be like that famous scene from the movie where Luke's got the camera pointed up his nose and he's like looking around.
luke rudkowski
He goes, I think you need a wide cam for that.
tim pool
He's got a wide cam.
And then he's like, I hear something.
Tim, do you hear that?
What's, who is there?
And then Luke goes, hold on.
And then he just unholsters his sidearm and he's like, don't move.
He's armed.
Don't move, don't make me, put it down, put it down!
He's running away.
All right, anyway, what were you talking about, Tim?
You were telling me a joke?
No, but moving on from that, I'm curious about, you're probably pro-2A across the board.
kari lake
Absolutely.
tim pool
Yeah, let's talk about guns.
kari lake
The thing is, I know people who never even owned a gun who are now, they have guns, they've got ammo, they're stocking up.
I mean, what's happened the last couple years has woken up a lot of people.
And I'm not only, my whole family knows how to, you know, shoot and all of that.
We do, you know, target practice outside and at our gun club.
But I think it's imperative to have the Second Amendment.
The only thing keeping us America and free right now is our Second Amendment.
luke rudkowski
I was going to ask you, where on the Republican political spectrum are you?
Are you in the Mitt Romney authoritarian status sector?
Or are you in the Ron Paul, I believe, in freedom sector?
kari lake
Can you hand me that sword over there, somebody?
luke rudkowski
On what level are you?
kari lake
Let me just put it this way.
I'm endorsed by America First.
luke rudkowski
Let's say Ron Paul is a hundred, Mitt Romney is a zero on the freedom scale.
What's your number?
kari lake
I'm a hundred.
luke rudkowski
Okay.
kari lake
I'm a hundred.
I am a Trump Republican, as I like to say.
I'm endorsed by President Trump, proud of that, by Congressman Gosar, by Rick Grinnell, Michael Flynn, Mike Lindell, one of my favorite patriots.
I have the America First movement firmly behind me.
luke rudkowski
Well, Trump, I would say was like a, to my opinion, my perspective, like a 45-35.
I mean, he did the bump stock ban.
He made a lot of incredulous moves against the Second Amendment, personally.
kari lake
Oh, you're talking only on the Second Amendment?
luke rudkowski
No, no, no, in freedom.
Just freedom in general.
kari lake
I am 100% pro-2A, and as I say, my stance on it is it shall not be infringed.
I will never sign any legislation that would infringe whatsoever.
tim pool
Now, will you work towards repealing unconstitutional gun laws?
kari lake
Absolutely.
You know, but I think people think they go, oh, the governor has all the power to do everything.
You have to have legislators working with you.
You know, this is how the system works.
So we'd have to, and Arizona is a very free state when it comes to Second Amendment.
I think it's probably the most free.
You know, we've had open carry.
Texas didn't even have open carry until last year.
tim pool
Right, right.
Lauren Boebert's Arizona, isn't she?
No.
kari lake
Is she Colorado?
tim pool
Yeah, okay, okay.
ian crossland
Yeah, what about heavy weapons?
How big?
How do you feel like how powerful weapon do you think it should be legal for someone to carry?
kari lake
Are you asking, like Joe Biden, saying you need to have fighter jets if you're really going to take on the... Yeah, because people used to be able to own warships.
ian crossland
This is something Tim quotes from time to time.
People could own warships under the Second Amendment, like privateers, and then the government would conscript them to go fight for them.
But private citizens could own warships.
So should a private citizen be able to own a small nuclear device, nuclear bomb, rocket launchers?
kari lake
I'm not for nuclear weapons.
I'm not for private citizens.
ian crossland
What about rocket launchers?
tim pool
Tough questions.
kari lake
These are tough questions.
I don't think I am I am for a you know, there's probably any weapon that any any gun.
I mean, I'm I'm pro to a so I I don't know rocket launcher.
ian crossland
It's getting more powerful.
tim pool
So it's important debate is a rocket launcher a firearm?
ian crossland
Definitely.
It's a ballistic.
kari lake
Right to bear arms.
tim pool
It is arms.
And so this is an issue.
My attitude is private citizens should be allowed to own rocket launchers.
Private citizens should be allowed to own bazookas.
kari lake
Well, if you read the Second Amendment, it talks about, you know, it's not about hunting and it's not about target shooting.
It's about protecting against tyranny.
tim pool
Well, it's, it's, it's about protecting everything.
A free state, you know, requires the people to, I'm not quoting the Second Amendment, but I'm saying it says, you know, who can verbatim- Well, it's a well-armed militia, and- I wanna, I just wanna, I wanna- You wanna know?
unidentified
Yeah, we're all- I wanna read it specifically- You guys go, okay.
kari lake
I'll read it to you if you need it, right here.
tim pool
A well-regulated militia.
kari lake
Thank you.
tim pool
Being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
The reason I want to get it verbatim is that securing a free state, what does that mean?
Well, can you have a free state if a bunch of bears attack your city?
No, not if it's a lot of them.
So it's not about one thing.
It's about everything.
And so there's been a lot of people who have said, it's specifically about when your government becomes tyrannical.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's not specifically about that.
It does include that.
It's also about if a foreign adversary seeks to invade your country and everyone's armed to the teeth and they're like, there's a gun behind you.
ian crossland
Or if a foreign corporation hijacks your monetary supply and prints your economy into oblivion, that's threatening the security of your free state right there.
kari lake
What happens if someone comes to your door and tries to pull your family out and put you in a quarantine camp?
tim pool
Oh yeah, that's when things go real dark, real quick.
kari lake
Well, and I think this is why the difference between Australia, there's a million differences, and America.
And I think this is why we haven't had more strong restrictions placed against us.
Because, especially in a state like Arizona, you know, behind any door someone might have a gun.
Probably does.
ian crossland
You can see it in the way the Australian cops move, too.
They have no fear.
tim pool
No fear.
And what people need to understand, it's not an issue of assuming that Australians would be running out the door and just firing wildly.
It's like Ian mentioned, it's the fear.
When the police broke down the door of Breonna Taylor's house, you know the story about Breonna
Taylor, her boyfriend fired around in the direction of the door, striking a police officer
in the leg.
That was ruled justified and the charges were dropped because if you break in someone's
door, they could be armed.
Police in America know this.
And that means regardless of what the law is, they have to contend with the fact there's
an armed population.
It doesn't mean that there's going to be a bunch of right-wing nutjobs taking over with
guns everywhere and screaming.
And, you know, when the government does something wrong, it means the government is scared to make certain moves.
Because it's not about whether or not there's an armed militia showing up at your door and saying, we hereby, you know, declare.
It's about the fact that you tried to enforce a red flag law.
This happened, I think it was in Maryland.
And the guy showed up with a gun, fought the cops, and the cops had to shoot and kill him.
The police understand that when you go to a door, you're not going to get someone saying, okay, you might get a crazy person, or not even a crazy person, a scared person.
Grant Taylor's boyfriend, who just said, someone's breaking into my home, fired, hit the cop in the leg.
Hey, that's America, baby.
In Australia, again, like Ian said, the cops are fearless.
They know they have nothing to worry about.
There's a video out of Australia where they kick the door and they walk in, start grabbing people, throwing them around.
I'm like, that can't happen here in America to the same degree.
Certainly there are no knock warrants.
kari lake
It will never happen.
tim pool
There's cops breaking into people's houses.
kari lake
Maybe in certain states.
luke rudkowski
They were breaking into businesses a few months ago and shutting them down.
ian crossland
But not like that, and not too hard.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, like that.
There was video footage.
unidentified
What state?
luke rudkowski
Where was that?
I remember seeing video footage in New Jersey.
There was a lady who was in her own private shop doing her own thing, and she was making baskets, I believe, if I believe the story was correctly coming off fresh of my mind.
Police officers literally broke down her door because she was open at her place of business by herself and told her to shut down immediately.
tim pool
In North Jersey, a woman, they closed everyone's businesses and said, you're shut down, end of story.
So she started live streaming on Facebook.
If you want to buy any of my products, here's what I have.
The police showed up and they said, ma'am, you need to shut your store down.
And she said, what are you talking about?
It is shut down.
I'm closed.
And they go, no, you're posting things online.
Hmm, yep.
So these things do happen.
ian crossland
Yeah, when I say not like that, I mean not to the scale that it's happening in Australia.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, Ian, you're still right.
New Jersey has possibly the strictest gun laws in the country.
You can barely even get a gun in New Jersey, and if you can, there's crazy rules, and I'm
pretty sure you can't have a weapon in your place of business.
I could be wrong, unless you are like a security guard and you've got special certification.
It is difficult and annoying and so the police in New Jersey are substantially less worried about kicking someone's door in.
kari lake
This is why it's so important to vote for the right people.
Oh yeah.
This kind of stuff would not happen in Arizona.
Although our governor shut the state down twice.
luke rudkowski
What was your take on 80 House Republicans yesterday voting for a national registry of people who are vaccinated?
One of those people was, what's that Republican's name, with Den Crenshaw.
Den Crenshaw and 80 House Republicans all voted for this.
How would you vote on this particular issue when it comes to a federal registry of people who are vaccinated?
And what's your response to Den Crenshaw for voting for it?
kari lake
You know, Dan Crenshaw used to be a really big hero, and in some ways I think he is a hero.
I mean, he served our country valiantly, and I think he's a great guy, but some of the things he's done politically I find alarming.
That being one of them.
That is a terrible idea.
Now, I'm running for governor, not running for Congress, and so this is something that would be handled at the federal level.
Of course, yeah.
tim pool
But governor's more important.
kari lake
I'm not for that.
luke rudkowski
Because as a governor, you have the authority to say, we're not going to give you the database.
We're not going to give you the information or the data.
Would you comply as a governor if there was a federal vaccine registry?
kari lake
I believe our governor did comply with that.
In order to get the federal money, you had to agree to a bunch of stuff.
luke rudkowski
New Hampshire was one of the states that actually declined money as a state.
Would you be willing to do the same thing as governor?
kari lake
I would be.
luke rudkowski
Okay.
kari lake
Well, if it means we're going to give out, well, here's the deal.
We did get a lot of money for, and then they say it's for COVID relief, but not if I'm going to have to give up my, my citizens, our citizens, my fellow citizens, information, private information.
tim pool
I'm impressed.
I was expecting you to dance around that, that answer.
Cause that's a tough one, right?
kari lake
Well, I mean, look where it's getting us.
We keep complying with the federal government and all the things they want, and look where we are right now.
We're no more closer to having our freedom back.
And when do we stop and say, enough is enough?
We're not going to comply anymore.
We're going to get off the federal teat, take your money and shove it, or give us the money, but we're going to spend it the way we want to spend it.
Yeah, I'm down.
We're not going to do this, that, and the other with your money.
tim pool
This is why I said governor is more important.
A lot of people pointed out that if Ron DeSantis were to run in 2024, Florida would lose a very powerful voice who's doing the right thing for the citizens.
And so he's better working in Florida because he's created a safe haven, essentially, for people.
They're flocking to Florida like crazy, buying up property like crazy.
Why?
Freedom.
kari lake
Yeah.
tim pool
Monoclonal antibodies for free for people who are sick.
Lowest COVID cases.
The economy reopened a while back.
kari lake
You go there and you don't even realize there aren't any restrictions.
You're living free.
And that's what Arizona is going to be.
tim pool
So I tell people too, especially with the legislatures in the states, if you keep thinking the federal government is your path to fixing your problems, you are incorrect.
Ron DeSantis has proven that.
Abbott, to a certain degree, he's not perfect.
We'll see.
kari lake
He's coming around a little bit.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe Alan West will win because he'll go, you know, he'll go much, much more like Ron DeSantis.
And then when it comes to a potential convention of states, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, changes can be made if at the state level people vote for, and we mentioned this, across the board, and also to this point, district attorneys.
kari lake
Very important.
tim pool
Big issue.
kari lake
And county attorneys and sheriffs.
I mean, we just have to be educated where we're going.
We have to be educated.
And I believe that the America First movement, and we're going to look at who's funding these people.
Who are their consultants?
People are waking up to it.
And you mentioned some people who are still asleep, like the person you talked about earlier.
tim pool
A friend of mine.
kari lake
Yeah.
We're not going to name names, but who's just completely unaware of anything.
But I think a lot of people are waking up who were never involved in politics.
We're seeing it when we do events.
We have a movement afoot in Arizona.
We do events that thousands of people come out to.
We do rallies and, you know, all kinds of rallies.
And people come up to me and say, I am embarrassed to say this, but I've never voted before.
And I'm whatever age, 50 something.
And I'm voting.
I'm so worried about where this country... I've never been politically involved, but I know who's running, who their consultants are, what's behind them, what they believe in.
So there's a lot of exciting things happening.
I'm actually very hopeful for the future.
tim pool
I was at a Trump rally in Fort Lauderdale back in 2016, and every single person that I talked to had said, like, I'm either independent or I've not voted before.
And I was like, you're at a Republican rally, and they were like, Trump's different, man.
It's, you know, a lot of these people felt like Mitt Romney, like you saw the disdain that this Luke Murkowski has for the Mitt Romneys of this country.
And yet, but Trump supporters do, too.
They despise him.
kari lake
I do, too.
I do, too.
And Jeff Flake and John McCain.
I mean, we saw a lot of that rhino, and we have that in Arizona.
We have a deep, deep swamp in Arizona.
And, you know, people go, don't say rhinos.
Well, that's what they are.
tim pool
Actually, I disagree.
I think you're the rhino.
kari lake
I think I'm the rhino.
tim pool
But you know what I mean by that?
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
That the establishment, the Republican Party, has always been this feckless, weak, and in my opinion, well, ineffective.
And what's happened now is a bunch of people like Trump, like DeSantis, and like you have come in under the umbrella of Republican, representing something with principle.
And that's why I say, I think you don't want...
kari lake
Well, I'm the conservative running.
I'm a conservative running as a Republican.
tim pool
Exactly.
kari lake
Because the Republican Party, I do believe, is the party of Trump.
It's the Trump Republican Party.
tim pool
Now it is.
kari lake
And that is America first.
And, you know, I talk to people who are establishment, and I believe I can bring people together.
I was a Republican looking from the outside in before I became a politician, thinking that the party, you know, we had the rhinos and all of that, but I thought the party was more congealed and together. Now that I'm running, I realize it's
so fractured.
And I believe we can bring this party together, but the establishment has to realize
America first is here to stay. And they should love that.
We've brought people off the sidelines, people who you mentioned at the Trump rally that I've seen
at our rallies who've never voted before.
tim pool
But this is what I mean, basically.
When I see a ton of people who are not Republicans, who are joining the Republicans, but not because of Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney is what I think of when I think of Republican.
kari lake
He repels people from the party.
tim pool
It is an elitist, corporatist, anti-American.
The Koch brothers were all about the open borders and bringing in cheap labor to exploit.
Even Bernie Sanders opposed it.
Trump was not like the rest of them when he came in.
So he was a Republican, but just in name, he represented something new.
So to be fair, I would say now the party has become the party of Trump.
And now that is what it means to be Republican.
So now I would say, I understand when you refer to McCain and these individuals as rhinos, it's because they're the people who don't actually represent the voter base, those who are joining the party and those who are stepping up.
kari lake
It's huge what's happening, though.
I mean, it is so huge what's happening.
It's very exciting.
We go to events, and they say, oh, can you come speak at this Republican group, or wherever we go.
And they call us a couple weeks later, and they say, we need to move the location.
We usually get 30 people.
We have 130.
And this is what we're seeing everywhere we go.
People are off the sidelines.
They're very excited about our campaign.
And we have a movement.
We have more volunteers than any other campaign in the country right now.
It took us only three weeks to get our signatures to get on the ballot.
It usually takes, to put that in perspective, and I'm new to politics, so I'm like, okay, three weeks.
Why did it take us three weeks?
And they say, Carrie, no, you don't understand.
It normally takes candidates nine months to get them, and they have to pay for them, and sometimes they don't get them at all.
You got your signatures in three weeks.
It's never been done in the history of Arizona.
unidentified
But people are excited.
tim pool
When's the election for Arizona?
kari lake
August 2nd.
That's the primary.
tim pool
So of next year?
kari lake
Yeah.
tim pool
You're getting a head start, huh?
kari lake
We've been running since June 1st, and we've been running like it was October of 22.
My staff jokes it's like we're running like it's the last month leading up to the general election.
ian crossland
Do you have a show?
Sorry to interrupt, but do you have like a talk show?
You'd be great.
kari lake
No, I need one.
ian crossland
Yeah, a weekly talk show.
tim pool
You're on TV for three decades.
kari lake
I've thought about doing a podcast.
So this is really interesting to watch, but I thought it was easier than this.
I thought with just me and a camera and you would bring somebody else in, but this isn't quite an ordeal.
luke rudkowski
Well, it's the best way to do it because it's not scripted.
You talk from your heart.
You don't talk from talking points.
There's nothing scripted here.
And I still got a lot of questions because there's a lot of people that I know that are absolutely disenfranchised with the Donald Trump party.
Not happy that he passed gun control, that he didn't release the CIA documents, that he didn't pardon Assange, that he didn't support his supporters on January 6th, and some people are saying that this is just a two-party duopoly.
What do you say to people who are disenfranchised with the left-right political system, which they see as two sides of the same coin that are essentially representing the special interests?
kari lake
I'm disenfranchised with the two-party system as well, but I think, you know, I think President Trump did a really good job and he did what he could.
We don't know everything he was up against.
I mean, he was the first one going in as an outsider into the swamp and people go, well, he hired the wrong people.
Didn't, you know, there's a lot of positions you have to hire and he didn't have the best people to choose from.
He's working in the swamp.
luke rudkowski
Fauci.
He didn't hire Fauci, though.
tim pool
He should have fired Fauci.
kari lake
I wish he would have fired him.
luke rudkowski
But he had him around him.
And then what's that guy with the weird mustache?
John Bolton?
Oh, yeah.
John Bolton.
I mean, that to me is not just bad people.
That's really bad people.
kari lake
Yeah, you have to go in and you've got to hire people, though.
And he didn't make all the right decisions.
But I think, all in all, I think he did an amazing job.
He's not perfect.
You know, I love it when people say about Trump, I wish his tweets would have been nicer.
I wish it wouldn't have been so rough, or whatever they say.
And I think he's a New Yorker.
The reason we got somebody who was strong enough to go up against the system, to beat down all of those, what was it, 17, 18, 19 contenders, just one after the next, he brought them down.
And go in there and have the coconuts to do the right thing is because he was a tough New Yorker.
And it irritates me when people go, I wish, I like you, I really like you, Luke, but I wish you were a little less this way.
Well, we don't get to do that with human beings.
luke rudkowski
Are there any moves he did that you would criticize or you would do differently than he did?
Whether it's gun control, whether it's bombing foreign countries.
Is there anything he did that you will look back and say, I didn't like this.
I want to do this if I was in his position.
kari lake
I'm not going to sit here and criticize.
I'm going to look at him and say, oh, I wish you wouldn't have done this and that.
I think on average, I think President Trump did an amazing job.
I don't know what he was up against during each of these pivotal moments when he was making big decisions.
You know, he was really up against a lot of people.
Media was on him.
The swamp was on him.
His own party sometimes was on him.
And I think he did the best job he could.
tim pool
I think his whole party was on him the entire time.
The established Republicans.
kari lake
Even people we think were with him.
And then you find out, oh my gosh, that guy wasn't with him?
tim pool
Look at Russiagate.
I mean, the Republican Party was like, well, you know, we're going to have to look into this instead of just being like, shut it down.
They controlled, they had two years in control of Congress and they did nothing.
And I think a lot of people were disillusioned by it.
And Trump even said, if we lose the House, I will be impeached.
And my response, you know, my attitude then is kind of like, The Republican Party wasn't doing anything for Trump.
But I will say, I think it's fair to say Donald Trump should have fired Fauci.
And that's at least one thing you think he should have done, right?
kari lake
Yeah, he should have.
But I think the reason he didn't is because he probably was... We know why.
tim pool
I think it was Kushner and some of his other advisors who were like, no, no, no, no, don't fire him.
The people love him.
The media loves him.
And we've had a few of Trump's former senior individuals and people close to him who have been like, he was getting advice from them saying not to get rid of Fauci.
And he should have.
I mean, I don't know, Biden probably would have hired him back or something, but so what?
Trump was getting bad advice from that man.
kari lake
Yeah.
Well, and you do take advice from the people around you.
I think that's a smart thing to do.
And maybe his gut was telling him to fire Fauci, but he had a lot of people going, don't do it, don't do it.
And he's like, well, maybe I'm having maybe the right or, you know, he had some smart people around him.
tim pool
How about firing Mark Milley?
kari lake
Mark Milley.
Who was he?
Has a name, right?
tim pool
Mark Milley?
lydia smith
Yes, Mark Milley.
tim pool
The General.
kari lake
Oh, the General Milley.
Oh my gosh.
The one who, when they walked out to the church and then he badmouthed that move?
tim pool
Or who said, you know, we need to look into white rage or whatever.
kari lake
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
He should have fired that guy.
unidentified
Yes, he should have fired that guy.
lydia smith
Maybe so.
kari lake
Well, I think he talks about it.
The TV generals versus the, what does he call them?
The ones who go on all the talking heads and then the real generals.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
He should have pardoned Julian Assange on his way out.
kari lake
Why do you think he didn't do that?
tim pool
I think people need to understand the power of the bureaucratic state, and I think... The ramifications if he did that, and what they might have pulled?
Yes.
I think people assume that once Trump got the seat of power, that he could have just pen-stroked all of these things.
He could not do that.
And as much as I wanted him, Ross Ulbricht and Julian Assange should have both been pardoned.
I feel like he was sitting there, and he probably... There's something we don't know, and he was like, Here's who I can pardon, here's who I can't, because they will absolutely get revenge on you.
kari lake
And this is why I say when you bring all these things up, we don't know all of the different variables that were at play in these.
So I don't want to sit and criticize who I think was one of the greatest presidents, or if not the greatest president in my lifetime.
luke rudkowski
I personally think everyone should be criticized, especially if they're in power.
But we're also dealing with a situation that, of course, we're looking from the outside in.
And that's why I like talking to individuals, getting their perspective, getting their honest kind of takes on this.
And another thing I wanted to add, Tim, to your point, he was facing retaliation about potentially being attacked.
But the way Donald Trump left, he was viciously attacked.
I agree with you on the incident where it came to the corporate media.
They became hysterical, nonsensical, and totally erratic when it came to any kind of news reporting surrounding him because every little thing he did, they would trump up as Hitler.
Which was absolutely insane.
It was nonsensical.
It was garbled nonsense.
And they attacked him on no real legitimate critical issues that I believe he should have been criticized on.
And that's why I'm kind of bringing up the point and starting this conversation because I want to have an honest conversation about what I really think, what you really think, and who you really are.
And I think that's important to lay out.
tim pool
I could be wrong about this.
Sheldon Adelson, is that his name?
Adelson?
I could be wrong about this, so definitely fact check me, but I believe the reason he hired Bolton was because, you know, when he got support in his campaign from Adelson, is that how you pronounce it?
That he was like, I want you to hire John Bolton.
And Trump was like, okay, you know, makes sense.
And Bolton is an idiot in my opinion.
You know, he had this line.
I don't remember when he said it, but it was during the Trump years.
By this time next year, we'll be celebrating in Tehran.
To imply that the United States would invade Iran and then have a stage set up celebrating their victory in a year, to me, is absolutely insane.
People don't understand that Iran is not Afghanistan or Iraq.
It is a massive, mountainous, developed nation.
And to have people who are just fervently pro-war.
kari lake
Well, Trump wasn't pro-war.
ian crossland
But maybe he felt if he keeps his enemies close, you know, but I think Obama thought that too, when he got all those corporate guys to be surround him in the first couple of weeks of his administration, then he got co opted.
tim pool
I know Trump isn't pro war, but Trump was was.
He was lied to for one, so I'll give him that.
When he was trying to withdraw from Syria and from Afghanistan, his own people in the government reportedly were lying.
When it came to Syria, they lied about the amount of troops we had there so that Trump thought we withdrew everyone and they kept them in.
That is insane.
That's a lie to the American people.
Trump still did have commando raids in Yemen, arms deals in Saudi Arabia.
What's going on in Yemen is absolutely horrifying.
And he did fire, what was it, 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria, and then the media praises him to a certain degree because of it.
So, I'll just put it this way.
I certainly think Trump was surprisingly the best I've seen in my lifetime in terms of withdrawing from Afghanistan and then Joe Biden screws the whole thing up.
kari lake
Oh my gosh, it's horrible.
tim pool
A miserable screw-up.
kari lake
We've had Trump- And the media doesn't talk about it.
ian crossland
It's a surrender.
kari lake
It's like a two-day story.
ian crossland
Joe Biden is- A 20-year war that we're winning and he surrenders.
tim pool
I think Joe Biden may be the worst.
Maybe it's not fair to say the worst.
kari lake
And you know the weapons they left behind were the most top grade weapons that are out
there.
85 billion dollars worth.
ian crossland
How come I'm hearing from my mother and other people that these weapons are obsolete?
They're like, oh, the weapons that they left there aren't even any good anyway.
Like, that's kind of the media has spun.
kari lake
That's not true.
That's not true.
tim pool
No, they were flying one of the helicopters around.
Yeah.
Now, they're not gonna be able to maintain them or anything like that.
But when I saw Donald Trump, this is one of the greatest moments of the Trump presidency.
When he comes out, the helicopter's roaring and the press ass is going on and he's like, We're going to do an excellent weapons deal with Saudi Arabia.
It's going to be great for the economy.
And all of the anti-war left, just like their jaws hit the floor, like he just came out and admitted what the United States does.
luke rudkowski
We're going to go keep the oil in Syria.
tim pool
It's going to be ours.
luke rudkowski
We're going to keep the troops there protecting our oil, which we're going to get money from.
kari lake
Well, these companies sell weapons.
I mean, they're big companies.
The grade of weapon they sell outside of the United States military is lower grade.
tim pool
This is why Trump was one of the best presidents we've ever had, at least in the modern era, because when he couldn't get the troops out of Syria because he wanted a complete withdrawal, and they were like, no, we have to keep some in, he goes out publicly and says, you know, I wanted to get the troops out of Syria, but we got to keep in about 200 so we can take the oil.
And I was just like, keep talking, keep talking.
Let everybody hear what you're saying.
I think Trump knew what he was doing when he was saying that stuff.
I think Trump likes the idea of, you know, America being great and a strong military, but Trump's America first.
Trump wanted oil produced here.
He helped make and he helped maintain American energy independence, and then Joe Biden fumbles the ball, gives the Nord Stream 2 to Russia, and now is begging OPEC to give us oil because we're in trouble.
Then he releases strategic oil that lasts us two days.
Joe Biden is trash.
kari lake
But fumble implies an error.
I don't believe it was an error.
I think he intentionally did this.
And think of the jobs, the tens of thousands of jobs that were lost.
Look at our gas prices.
I don't know what they are here.
It's got to be a lot more than there is.
luke rudkowski
Arm and a leg.
kari lake
$350, yeah.
I thought it would be higher this close to D.C.
lydia smith
Yeah, so it's actually way worse in Colorado than it is here, which is really surprising to me.
luke rudkowski
Try California.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, I know California.
kari lake
But we're looking at all of our energy prices going up.
They shut down a coal industry.
They're shutting down the coal industry, so we're going to look at all the prices going up.
Thank God we have a great nuclear power plant in Arizona with lots of... I believe in clean energy, but I also believe in energy that works.
I want to know when I turn my air conditioner on in Arizona, I'm going to get... the air conditioner's going to work, there's going to be power for it, my bill's not going to, you know, bring me under and keep me from being able to feed my family.
So I want energy that is Clean, of course, but I think nuclear energy is clean.
tim pool
I completely agree.
kari lake
And all this push for wind and solar, that's great.
Fine, if we want to go that way, that's great, but we have to have energy that is reliable.
tim pool
Nuclear energy is green, there's no carbon emissions, and it has some of the highest energy output, energy earned on energy invested.
Yet it is, for whatever reason, progressives, and as much as I'm a fan, even Tulsi Gabbard opposes nuclear energy, and it makes no sense.
ian crossland
Well, a problem with its reliability is that it's centralized in plants and that if the power grid goes down, you can't access it.
kari lake
Well, they have the new mini, there's a name for it, a fancier name.
ian crossland
Mini nukes?
kari lake
The mini nuclear plants, they are.
ian crossland
Are they really?
kari lake
And you can pack them together if you need, depending on how much power.
One, two, three, you can do a six pack of them and provide power.
This is the future, trust me.
luke rudkowski
I heard Bill Gates was working on this.
I'm going to look it up really quickly.
unidentified
Well, now you're creeping me out.
We'll just go back to throwing some wood on the fire to heat.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I'm gonna look this up.
kari lake
Speaking of which, I'm from Arizona, okay?
It's freezing in here.
You guys are all like... Thank you.
ian crossland
Thank you.
I'm wearing a sweater.
I wear blankets and sweaters.
tim pool
It's like 70.
luke rudkowski
CBS News, Bill Gates' mini-nukes.
Not a wacky idea as energy vision as you think.
This is CBS News, so... This is the future.
kari lake
Look into it.
unidentified
71.
tim pool
71 degrees in here.
Actually, it says 70, 67.
kari lake
I think it's 67 in here.
ian crossland
That's not reading the right temperature.
It's probably 61 in here maybe?
tim pool
67 is where it's set to.
The current temperature is 71.
ian crossland
I mean my room is 74 and it's like 10 or 15 degrees warmer than this room.
kari lake
Well in Arizona, and this is probably going to shock people even from Arizona watching, in the summer we keep our air conditioner at like 80, 82.
Does that seem really hot?
tim pool
Yes.
kari lake
When it's 110 outside though?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, but it's relatively dry.
kari lake
It is a dry heat, you're right.
tim pool
Dry heat, it's fine.
Yeah, you don't notice it as much because it's just like you're sweating, it's evaporating instantly.
It gets cold at night though.
kari lake
It does.
In the winter, very cold.
Very cold.
tim pool
Like, what does it get to at night in the winter?
kari lake
It can get down in, well, in like December, January, it can get down in the 30s and 40s at night.
It really gets cold at night.
tim pool
It's like a, it's like a, um, I've been to Phoenix a few times.
It's a huge swing from night and day, right?
kari lake
Very big.
The dry, the dry conditions.
So we can heat, dry air heats up faster and it also cools down faster.
tim pool
I remember I was skating in Phoenix and it was like 108 and then at night it was 50.
ian crossland
Is the Grand Canyon, does it run through Arizona?
kari lake
Yeah, we have one of the Seven Wonders of the World in Arizona.
We're the Grand Canyon State.
ian crossland
I drove through there from LA to Ohio and the heat, it got so cold around the canyon because I think the heat was falling into the canyon.
kari lake
What time of year was that?
ian crossland
Well, there is no such thing as cold.
Cold is only when the heat goes from one to the other.
tim pool
Right, so the heat would be going up.
It would be colder in the canyon.
ian crossland
But I think literally the heat was falling into the canyon.
Hot air was falling in because it's so easy.
unidentified
I think you can see it.
kari lake
I've been to Arizona... What time of year was it when you were there?
In winter?
ian crossland
Like three years.
No, it was in the summer.
It was in June of like three years ago.
And it got down to like 38 at night with black ice.
luke rudkowski
Now, I've been to Arizona a lot.
It's a beautiful state, especially Sedona.
So I just kind of want to ask you, how are you going to get the hippies to vote for you in Sedona?
What is your Sedona hippie policy?
kari lake
Sedona is changing.
I was there for an event.
It was a meet and greet at someone's home.
We had about, I don't know, 75 or 100 people.
And I said, please don't just bring people who already like me.
I want you to bring people in who are like, I don't know.
And she brought 10 Democrats in who are not happy with the direction the country is going.
Nine of them ended up changing their party affiliation after our meet-and-greet.
So people are waking up to this nonsense that's happening.
The leftist policies don't work.
The liberal policies don't work.
And we can see it.
And I don't know how the situation is here regionally, but we've got a state called California.
Some call it Commie-fornia, right next to us.
And this is the state that we escaped to in those June days where it's 120 degrees and we want to go to the beach.
People aren't even doing that anymore.
California is so wrecked from decades of liberal policy.
So people are seeing it in Arizona and Sedona's changed quite a bit because Californians have been moving over.
You know, you've heard the don't California my Arizona, don't California our Arizona.
The situation's gotten so bad in California that people are just fleeing.
They're picking up and they're buying homes in Arizona and it's changing the landscape of Arizona and Arizonans don't like it.
So they're waking up in places like Sedona.
There are still some hippie enclaves.
luke rudkowski
There's nothing wrong with hippies.
I like hippies.
Ian's a hippie.
kari lake
Sedona's changing and people are just wanting a little more common sense.
They don't want to see this influx of California ideas and policies coming in.
tim pool
You've got to vote for the candidate who says, Camifornia.
kari lake
I mean, have you been there lately?
It's pretty bad.
tim pool
It is.
kari lake
We used to want to go to the beach, you know, let's take a weekend and I don't even want to do it anymore.
I'll just swim in the pool.
tim pool
It's happening in West Virginia a bit, too, because in D.C.
it's really bad.
So what happens is the more, the wealthier D.C.
people, and they're also the periphery of Maryland and Virginia, they're moving further west.
And West Virginia is pretty awesome.
And so what's happening is these people are moving to West Virginia and then going, They're going on Facebook, and they live in the mountain not too far from me, and they're like, I heard someone shooting their guns, and this is inappropriate.
kari lake
There are children calling 911.
tim pool
And everyone's like, yeah, it was probably like scaring off a bear or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So if you're worried about being here, just want to let you know, people shoot guns all the time.
One of the things that we're hearing is like, Yeah.
Yep.
be like a shooting range. And then all of these urban liberals move around it knowing this and
signing agreements saying you realize there's a shooting range. But then once they have the
dominant majority, they all say, yeah, well, now we're going to vote to change the law.
kari lake
Yeah. Or they get into the city council, the town council and change the law. Yep.
tim pool
And so in West Virginia, where I'm at, there are communists and I'm not using that word as a
pejorative. I'm not using it disparagingly literal people who are of communist persuasion
getting elected in local elections.
And people don't know because they're not putting their party affiliation for some of these positions, and they're running unopposed in some circumstances, like you mentioned with this guy in Arizona.
kari lake
Well, we just, I think it was in New York, some of these protesters saying the only option is going, did you hear that when they were protesting?
Chicago, I think it was.
Was it Chicago?
tim pool
Yeah, the only solution is revolution, communist revolution.
kari lake
Yeah, I mean, and this is, in Arizona, ASU, that student holding up the sign, Death to America.
This is what we're churning out in these schools, and it has an effect.
tim pool
You know, they're pretty young right now, but when they get older and they start moving around Tim's place, I just found this out because of Josie, the red-headed libertarian, and it's apparently that communists aren't people under the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
So fact check me on this one.
kari lake
Okay, I don't have a computer.
tim pool
What she pulled up, you fact-checked it?
lydia smith
I know.
I trust her.
She's very knowledgeable.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So in the 1964 Civil Rights Act, it talks about what you can or can't do.
You can't discriminate for this and that reasons.
But apparently there's a provision that says this will not be construed to provide protections to members of communist organizations or affiliated groups under like the American Sedition Clause or something like this.
I bring that up not because I think communists are entitled to their free speech and activism, but I do wonder if there is a line for sedition.
You know, we used to take it very, very, very seriously.
That if there were people that were going out outright saying, we will destroy this country, they'd be like, okay, well now that you said that, whatever you do, we're going to be watching out to make sure you're not committing sedition.
That is, you know, seeking to subvert or destroy the United States.
A lot of people incorrectly say treason.
Treason is providing aid or abetting foreign adversaries.
I wonder, how do we survive as a country, because we believe in free speech, even for people who hate this country, but when you have a massive population, not the biggest, they're kind of fringe, but they're still around 8-10% of people who believe this country is evil and racist, and literally are saying on TV they want to destroy it, if we just sit back and say, okay, then they will!
kari lake
Well, and they're being taught Marxism in schools.
We're seeing it in universities.
It's not being called that.
They don't say, we're sitting you down class and we're teaching you Marxism today.
They're teaching them the tenets of that.
lydia smith
Praxis.
kari lake
And then they start to take on that belief system, that ideology, and they are churned out into our world.
Well, the lifestyle.
It's dangerous and it will kill this country.
tim pool
So what do we do?
kari lake
Well, we have to start in the schools.
We have to stop this curriculum.
This is why it gets right down to the most important vote that you place is for your school board.
And we've got to get more parents involved.
Like I said, this one creep that was on the school board, he still is.
We're trying to recall him right now.
He got on because nobody else ran.
And I'll take a little bit of the blame as a parent.
I'm sure a lot of them who are looking at this situation now going, why didn't I run?
But we just weren't aware.
And now we are, so we have to jump in.
And it's a grind to run for public office.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, absolutely.
kari lake
It's a sacrifice, but we have to do it.
We don't get this free, wonderful country if we don't all get involved and stay involved.
luke rudkowski
If you would become governor, what would be your first call of action?
What would you do when you first get in there?
kari lake
There's so many things, and I've talked about a lot of them.
I mean, where do you want to start?
You want to start on the board?
luke rudkowski
One thing, the first thing.
You sit down at the office, the first thing I'm going to do right now, what is that?
kari lake
Well, there's a lot of things, but let's talk about, I mean, we can talk about the border, we can talk about schools.
I want to end all agreements that we've made with China.
I want to bring manufacturing back to Arizona.
We saw what happened during COVID.
We couldn't even get medicine.
We were out of toilet paper, for God's sakes.
And now we're relying on our, think about this, our medicines to come from China, the country that started this whole thing up.
And this is just unbelievable.
So we've got to bring manufacturing back.
I would cancel any deal we have with China, with the Communist Party.
We're not going to work with the Communist Party.
We can't compete with them when they have slave labor making all the junk that they
send over.
We don't want that junk anymore.
We don't want to live with that on our conscience that we have a bunch of junk we're buying that's made by people who are making this against their will.
I would immediately, if anybody, and I've said this many times, if anybody is fined or charged with breaking a mask mandate, or COVID mandate for standing up for liberty, I would pardon them on day one.
A mass pardon of anybody who gets a ticket or an infraction or loses an infraction on their business license for standing up to this.
Because we have to have somebody who's looking out for the people who are showing courage at this time.
It's very hard to show courage, and we saw it in the last five years.
You know, people got canceled for saying something or putting a tweet out that talked about what their belief was, and they got canceled and they'd lose a job.
Well, we need to get beyond that and start making courageous moves.
So we have to reward people who are courageous and do the right thing.
And if that's a business that's pushing back against mandates and they get fined, we're going to relieve them of those fines because they did the actual right thing.
ian crossland
Have you ever thought about setting up a state cryptocurrency if the U.S.
government were to cut off the state for ignoring their mandates?
kari lake
Interesting.
I've actually had a lot of people talk to me about crypto.
What do you think?
I mean, how would that look?
I'm not an expert on everything.
I always say that, but I'm always open to hear ideas.
ian crossland
I'm not an expert.
I wouldn't think of myself as an expert, but I would like to see every state have its own cryptocurrency, maybe a federal cryptocurrency as well that we could inter-trade.
kari lake
Well, I believe the Constitution talks specifically about currency and who can set it up.
ian crossland
Yeah, nobody other than Congress is supposed to do that.
Yet they set up the Federal Reserve to do it, basically ignoring their constitutional duty.
It's infuriating.
At this point, the reins are in your hand as a state, as a state governor.
I think you would use it to trade only within the state at first.
Because the government, U.S.
government, federal government, wouldn't legitimize it.
And they'd try and stop it.
So that might cause more problems.
But if they're going to cut off financial services to the state, Well, I mean, that's a scary prospect.
tim pool
If we get to the point where, you know, we already have DeSantis saying we need a civilian military to be brought back because, well, he didn't say this, but it's obvious it's not working between, you know, Joe Biden and Florida.
Joe Biden's agenda is clearly cutting off red states who are not falling in line with the COVID stuff.
kari lake
But we have to have governors like DeSantis and like the governor I'll be, where we stand back and we say, you're not going to fly people in here overnight.
We're going to fly them to your state.
tim pool
You saw what's happening with Joe Biden taking the kids in the middle of the night and flying them to Tennessee.
I mean, that is evil.
He's smuggling children.
kari lake
That is child trafficking.
tim pool
Yeah, my, it's crazy.
kari lake
It's unbelievable.
And I love that Governor DeSantis, he does a lot of things that I've actually talked about when we're doing rallies and such.
tim pool
We're talking about the- Vote for me and I'll just do what DeSantis does.
kari lake
No, well, and I talked about that.
I said, we need people who are strong and going to do the right thing.
A good leader knows right from wrong and does the right thing no matter what kind of pressure they're under, and our current governor didn't do that.
He is a Republican, but when it came time to shut our state down, he folded when the leftist mayors of Tucson and Phoenix and Flagstaff were pressuring him to shut the state down and mask our children.
And he folded every single time to the activists in the media.
You're sitting there watching going, come on, do the right thing, Governor Ducey, do the right thing.
And it was so disappointing.
He shut our state down twice.
So we need strong people that don't just wait to see what's Governor DeSantis going to do.
OK, people like that, then I'll do it.
We need people who are going to do the right thing first.
Governor DeSantis might even copy me.
And I love Governor DeSantis.
tim pool
So DeSantis can run for re-election saying, I'm going to do what Kerry Lake's been doing.
kari lake
No, I mean, he's a rock star.
Don't get me wrong.
We need more people like that.
People who've got a backbone.
I'm told not to say balls, so I'm going to say backbone.
We need people with a backbone.
And you know, and the problem is we get so many people who run and it's hard to run unless
you have a machine behind you.
I'm fortunate.
I've got almost 30 years in Arizona.
People know who I am.
They've invited me into their home.
They trust me.
I understand the state.
I've covered the issues for nearly three decades.
And I've got huge name ID.
You can't put a price on that.
I've got 85% name ID in the state of Arizona.
I'm running and being funded by the people of Arizona, not the swamp.
But if any other person wants to run, they have to find a funding source.
ian crossland
That's what I feel like political parties are.
kari lake
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like if you ever think about just shirking political parties completely and once or even after you're in office.
kari lake
Well, I mean, I think being a Trump Republican, you know, when Trump started out, it was almost shirking.
ian crossland
He was like a libertarian, liberal guy that went in and just was like, what party should I pick?
This one looks easier, so I'll go that direction.
kari lake
Well, but he's a conservative.
I mean, I think Trump is a conservative for sure.
tim pool
I mean, at the time, conservatives didn't like him because they were like, he's a New York liberal, you know, so he's not far left or anything.
kari lake
The establishment didn't like him because they were like, oh crap, he might win.
tim pool
But I'll tell you what was really interesting.
I think it was Vox who wrote that the Democrats had gone nuts because Trump had stolen some of their core policy positions, like working with unions and the working class stuff.
And it's just populism.
It's just America first, and we're going to help the workers of America.
But Democrats were like, OK, now what do we do?
kari lake
Well, the Democrats sold out the worker.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Right.
kari lake
With NAFTA, they sold out the worker under Bill Clinton.
We started to deal with with China, the political elite.
And when I say that, that's Democrat and Republican sold out this country and the working man and woman.
luke rudkowski
Even before that with Kissinger literally sending over all the jobs over to China, getting rid of domestic manufacturing in the United States.
kari lake
Good places like upstate New York where it's just, it's like a graveyard of old factories rusting and falling apart in Michigan.
This is what happens when you're not America first.
tim pool
You wanna know what I, I'm just, man this is, gives me hope.
White pill we say.
I don't like having politicians on the show very often.
I talked to Lydia about booking politicians.
It's challenging because politicians, they give you politician answers.
And I think you've been absolutely forthcoming and phenomenal.
kari lake
I'm not a politician.
tim pool
And that's the thing.
There's a lot of people and they're like, well, you know, I gotta be careful.
And I'm like, here we go.
Tell us what you want to do.
Tell us what you think.
But regardless of that, I will say to the people we've had on who have been running, it's been infinitely better than the traditional TV run, fake personality.
This is why things are changing.
Because you came on the show.
We had never talked before this.
Lydia books you.
You show up.
We meet for the first time.
kari lake
I drive through the woods, and I'm thinking this is gonna be the end of me.
tim pool
But what happens is we come upstairs, we sit down, we turn the cameras on live, and we just talk.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No script.
So no script.
kari lake
It's so funny because my opponents will say, oh, she won't talk.
And I'm like, are you kidding?
You need to follow me around.
I always say, they go, what do you want to talk about?
I go, ask me anything.
luke rudkowski
I have to ask you this because a lot of people, I'm sorry Tim, are commenting in your chat room about weed.
Where do you stand on personal use of drugs for individuals and the larger concept of victimless crimes?
What's your stance on those issues?
kari lake
Oh, okay.
Well, we do have recreational pot use in Arizona and that's been settled.
I think we need to follow the law, though I don't want it getting in the hands of my children.
I don't think it's good for their developing minds.
So we need to really be strict with the laws on that.
I'm not going to go in and just start revoking laws that the people have passed.
tim pool
But you do have recreational use.
kari lake
In Arizona we do.
ian crossland
Is it 18 and older?
kari lake
I think it's 21.
I think it's 21.
I should know that, but I don't.
tim pool
I don't know, Luke.
You thought you had a gotcha, but it was an easy one.
luke rudkowski
It wasn't a gotcha.
It's your comment section.
unidentified
Ask her about weed.
kari lake
I think they want to act like I'm angry.
I'm anti-marijuana.
If you want to do that, if that's what you're into, great.
If you want to smoke cigarettes and that's what you're into in your legal age, as long as you're following the law.
I want to make sure we do follow the law because I do think it's really bad for our young people's developing minds.
If they're using that, they're going to school, it's already difficult enough.
ian crossland
I agree.
Because if you have a law that's a really bad law, that's like the Nazis made laws that made it illegal to be Jewish basically.
As a governor, as someone in control and supposed to be, like, my job is to uphold the law.
What do you do when you come across a bad law like that?
kari lake
Well, I think what you do as a governor is you come in and you start working with the legislature and you say, here are my priorities.
We need to make sure we're protecting families, we're helping businesses grow, and I'm talking Arizona businesses.
We've really neglected Arizona businesses.
The small businesses, medium-sized businesses really suffered under our two shutdowns in Arizona.
luke rudkowski
Now everyone's asking about DMT.
Sorry.
kari lake
What is that?
ian crossland
Dimethyltryptamine.
It's a chemical that is produced in your brain and animals and plants that causes you to do massive... Everyone has a breakthrough trip when you smoke it apparently.
kari lake
The thing is that we have so many serious issues right now.
We've got our schools teaching Marxism to our kids.
Teaching anti-American history.
We have our border that's wide open.
Fentanyl coming from China.
China sending their fentanyl to Mexico for the cartels to run across our border is coming in.
We've got a defund the police effort going on in our state.
Our crime is through the roof, up hundreds of percent, thousand percent, murder rates, violent crime.
I mean, I could go on and on.
The list goes on.
We've got water crisis in Arizona that we have to confront.
We have a ton of issues.
So, I mean, we can go into all these smaller things that DMT... DMT.
DMT.
ian crossland
There's a lot more about that in the next couple decades.
kari lake
Yeah, I'm just trying to get a little... The priorities are really securing our border.
ian crossland
You know, DMT, it's illegal.
It's a federally illegal, considered an illegal drug, but it's, you know, relatively easy to synthesize the body.
So whether or not it should be illegal, I guess maybe.
kari lake
Let me turn it back on you guys.
What do you think about California and Oregon where you just openly can shoot up drugs?
We used to go to San Francisco in the summer.
Again, we stopped going to California pretty much.
And we were there with our little ones.
Our kids were little.
And we literally walked by two people shooting up drugs.
And it was so horrifying.
Covering the kids' eyes.
And that was kind of the beginning of the real fall of San Francisco.
tim pool
I think all drugs should be legal recreationally.
All drugs.
However, hard drugs have to be done in, like, facilities.
It would be regulated to a certain degree.
And I'll speak lightly on this to a certain degree.
I like what Portugal has done in terms of reducing a lot of the addiction.
I think we need to treat drug abuse like a disease.
I'm not saying it is a disease, but I think we need to treat it as, like, something that needs to be solved for people and not putting people in prison because of it.
So I think the way we've handled victimless crimes over drug use has been absolutely wrong.
And you get someone who gets it.
I'll use the opioid crisis because it's a really good example that hits home for a lot of people who lost their jobs.
You get the factories shipped overseas.
You get these people who are struggling to make ends meet.
Some of them get hurt.
Some of them get prescribed opioids.
Some of them fall into it because they're desperate and depressed.
And now they're gonna be locked up in prison because of it.
No, no, no.
This is a failing of the establishment political class gutting our system, allowing big pharma- Allowing drugs to pour in.
From China and through big pharma.
And so I look at it like, here's what I think.
We should not be imprisoning people for this.
You catch someone on the street, the police should be like, you're coming with us, sir, to this facility where we're gonna get you clean.
We're gonna help you out.
You can do it, but it has to be done under these strict guidelines.
So you're not in the middle of the street.
You give it to kids, felony.
Any of that distribution of kid stuff I don't stand for, but I don't like the idea of victimless crimes.
I don't know, I won't pretend to have all the solutions.
kari lake
There's a lot of despair right now and you talked about even with social media and what you're seeing.
You think you're calling up what you want to see, but the tech tyrants are really pushing a lot of despair our way as well.
There's despair in the culture that is around us.
There's despair in the way our kids are being taught.
When you're taught that, you know, America's a bad place and just all of the... to judge somebody by the color of their skin with some of the racist stuff they're pushing with CRT and SEL.
You know, I'm a big believer in the words of Martin Luther King Jr.
You judge someone by the content of their character.
But we're pushing just so much negativity everywhere that our kids are depressed.
And then the shutdown on top of it?
You know, our shutdown, caused by Fauci's mandates, And, you know, each county, I'm sure your county had one.
We had a state health director who did more to damage our health in Arizona than improve it.
These shutdowns caused mental illness to spike, drug overdoses to spike, isolation to spike, depression to spike.
People lost their lives because of these shutdowns.
They did not help our health.
They hurt our health.
And so there's just a lot of despair.
tim pool
People freaking took their lives because of the shutdowns.
kari lake
The suicide.
Absolutely.
It's horrifying.
When I did the PragerU video, I talked about, I live in a neighborhood with a lot of elderly neighbors.
They're wonderful.
And my neighbor, one of my neighbors, was the most beautiful 90-year-old woman ever.
She swam every day, she walked, she had lunch with her friends.
And I saw her about six months into this whole shutdown and all of it.
She was in a walker walking to the mailbox.
And I didn't even recognize her.
I mean, I stopped the car and I looked at her and I was like, oh my gosh, what has happened?
Her life, you know, these later years, it's so important for our older people to stay active.
And you know, it's just really tragic.
And that's when I realized the propaganda being put out is dangerous and it's killing people.
And I will not be a part of that.
tim pool
We're gonna go to Super Chats, take some audience questions.
So I will say, thank you all for your Super Chats.
Smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, become a member at TimCast.com.
I'm gonna try and go through this and find questions directly for Kerry.
Usually we'll just read a bunch of stuff, but for everybody who has a question for you, you know.
kari lake
Can I say one thing?
Because my husband keeps looking at me.
KariLake.com.
K-A-R-I-L-A-K-E.com.
You can see where I stand on, you can see my platform.
Not everything is covered there.
People will say, what about DMT?
Is that what it was?
I do not have a platform.
unidentified
Item DMT yes, so I'll address that real quick.
tim pool
Just it's a fascinating drug They're they're doing a lot of research on it and people say that you know they have very profound experiences It's unique to any other drug, but more more importantly is a lot of the stories about it are that people who take it in the same space experience the same thing and it makes them feel like there's something bigger there and That's why it always comes up.
DMT.
luke rudkowski
You take it every night.
Do you know that?
You take it every night.
When you dream.
It's a natural chemical.
kari lake
I'm a big, big believer in prayer.
And I think that there's a lot of... We've taken God out of our entire society.
And that started really in the 60s.
And everyone's got an emptiness inside of them that your faith and God can fill.
But we've taken that out of our society and everyone has that emptiness and they're going
to fill it with something. So you need to find something.
And I'm a big believer in prayer and the Bible and I'm not trying to push that.
If you want that, that's fine.
But I'm not going to experiment with DMT.
I'm fine with prayer and I think that... There's a lot of power in that.
ian crossland
I've noticed when I'm thinking and kind of meditating, and I guess praying is one way of thinking, I'll think like, I'll figure out the answer.
I'll think that, for instance.
And that will give me a very different response than, what is the answer?
Like if I'm talking to something.
And it seems to respond more than just telling myself, I'm going to figure it out.
Like there's a reciprocation.
kari lake
Yeah.
A friend of mine said to me, I was waking up a lot in the middle of the night, like three o'clock and she said, Oh, that's just God telling you, you know, you haven't had time to pray.
God knows you're alone.
And that's when my life has been very busy lately.
And so now instead of when I wake up at three in the morning, I don't say, Oh my gosh, I'm sleepless.
I go, Oh, this is a really great opportunity to talk to God.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
kari lake
And it's so important, and I wish more of our kids had access to faith.
We've got a lot of atheists out there, and they're children who have never been raised to even know about the Bible.
I think it's worth teaching our kids about.
tim pool
I'll tell you this, I'm not an atheist.
I believe in God, but I'm not theistic.
I grew up Catholic, briefly.
I do not believe in the Bible, but I certainly value a lot of what's in it, because I've had a lot of great philosophical discussions in that regard.
And I think a wise person, a smart person is going to try and read as much as they can to understand as much as they can.
ian crossland
I'll tell you though.
tim pool
We got to go to Super Chats.
Absolutely.
kari lake
Oh, I'm fired up.
tim pool
So we have a ton of Super Chats just saying they're from Arizona and they're big fans.
And I'm trying to make sure I pull up the ones that are questions for you.
And I kind of feel, I kind of feel funny because I've seen so many like political interviews where the questions are always the lamest questions.
So guys, feel free.
Like Luke asked about DMT, super chat us whatever question.
kari lake
Are you saying that was a lame question or a good question?
tim pool
That was a good question.
kari lake
Because usually it's like Obama.
Is this a machete by the way in City of Liberty?
unidentified
Yes, it is.
tim pool
So look, look, look.
I'm listening to like an interview with Obama, and he's like, we're going to take real questions online.
And I'm like, oh, they're going to ask about the kids he bombed.
And they're like, I'm wondering about paying for tuition.
luke rudkowski
Are you the greatest?
kari lake
Throw me anything.
tim pool
Good, bad, ugly.
This one so far is just a very general basic question from Riker Ruiz.
He says, Carrie, I'm an Arizona native and I feel like I'm being priced out of my own state.
What will you do about this as a governor?
kari lake
We need to build more homes.
I mean, we've got to build more homes right now.
And we need to make it easier on the home builders.
Right now, I talk to people who are developers, and they say 25% of the price of a home is taxing and excessive permits and things like that.
There's a lot of regulation that goes into the pricing on a home.
But we're also seeing Californians come over.
They come over, and let's say Ian's selling his house for $250,000.
And you come over from California and you go, I've got a ton of cash.
I'm just going to offer you $275.
Arizonans can't do that.
So all the Californians are buying it.
The house prices keep going up, up, up.
And we really need to build a wall between Arizona and California.
I'm just joking.
But we have the Californians coming in and they're bringing the prices up and so we need to, we really do need to, I wish Californians would stay and try to fix their state so that Arizona can have prices for homes that are reasonable.
unidentified
Have you looked into 3D printing housing?
kari lake
No, I haven't.
ian crossland
3D printing housing technology is pretty cool.
tim pool
Yeah, it is cool.
But I want to try to read as many questions as I can.
Yeah, I've got a bunch of questions.
So we've got William Martin.
He says, Hello, Kerry Lake.
This may be a long shot, but are you aware of a YouTuber named Razorfist?
He is very tuned in Arizona politics, and I believe he has been supportive of your campaign in the past.
kari lake
I have not heard of him.
Him or her.
I don't know.
tim pool
Razorfist.
Yeah, he's a dude.
I felt like that was a great question.
kari lake
It's an easy answer.
No, I'm sorry.
I haven't.
I thank him for his support.
tim pool
I've seen his stuff.
He does great work.
kari lake
And I think it's just... And he lives in Arizona.
tim pool
He does?
unidentified
He's in Arizona?
lydia smith
Yeah.
He did not like John McCain, I recall.
kari lake
A lot of people did.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
Maybe you guys can connect or something.
kari lake
A lot of people.
tim pool
Yeah.
A lot of support here.
Let me see.
Uh, gotta try and find a good, good direct question.
lydia smith
Everyone's just being so nice.
tim pool
A lot of people are saying their big fans are from Arizona, so... You can read those.
kari lake
You're just glazing right over the...
He's like, Tim's like, we've got to get to these questions, we've got to get to them, and now we're all sitting here looking at Tim going, go ahead!
tim pool
Well, it's because I'll have like two right there, but a lot of them are just very much big support for you, and so I want to make sure, you know, we get an opportunity to actually have questions that people might not normally get, because this is that opportunity.
I'm telling you guys, this is your opportunity to ask literally anything, you know.
I mean, if you ask something that's completely untoward, I obviously won't.
ian crossland
Figuratively, I mean.
tim pool
Yeah.
Art Vandelay.
Ah, Art!
Good to hear from you.
kari lake
Vandelay Industries.
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
You get the reference, right?
Yeah.
Great to see Carrie on IRL.
Just donated $100 to our campaign.
kari lake
Thank you, CarrieLake.com.
tim pool
Carrie, no more CRT, no more woke insanity.
The A's universities don't fulfill their charter.
This needs to be fixed ASAP, and you're the only one who will do it.
kari lake
I will.
I've been calling out ASU, and I've been calling out Michael Crow, the president.
I don't think I know of any politician who's called him out by name.
Very powerful guy, but we're supposed to have an affordable education at ASU, and the price keeps going up, up, up, up, up.
And it's become a woke institution.
We don't want that in Arizona.
And we should be holding back some of the state funds, some or all of them, if they're going to continue along.
If they're teaching kids to hate this country, that they're putting up signs, death to America, something's wrong at ASU.
And they're throwing a fit because a student by the name of Rittenhouse dared to apply or to attend online.
This is wrong and we need Michael Crow to stand up as the president of ASU and say, this is nonsense, we're going to stop it.
And the governor should be calling him and saying, what the hell's going on over there?
This is ridiculous.
ian crossland
It'd be a good debate between you and him.
kari lake
Between Michael Crow and me?
The debates are going to be fun, I can't wait.
I still sometimes look back at Trump's debates, and I think that was some of the best debating I've ever seen.
And people go, oh, he wasn't a good debater.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
That was the best debating.
tim pool
It was WWE.
kari lake
It was.
tim pool
All right, here's one that can get us in trouble, but I'm going to read it anyway because I'm not going to shy away from these questions, so keep in mind.
Nicholas DeLay says, Hi Cary, Buckeye resident here.
Miss you on the news, the Razor Force has your back.
Have you talked to Tim about the 2018 Maylens for Kristen Cinema?
kari lake
No.
tim pool
Do you know about that?
kari lake
What's he referring to?
The 2018 mail-ins.
tim pool
I'm assuming that means ballots or something.
kari lake
Yeah, I mean, does he want to expound on that just a bit?
tim pool
No, no, that's the question.
I didn't know if you knew about it.
kari lake
We had election problems in 2018 that were never looked into.
You know, there were issues.
I remember with the chain of command, there were issues with chain of command.
And Adrian Fontes was in charge in 2018.
He's still in charge.
He's now running for Secretary of State, which is even scarier.
He was in charge of Maricopa County elections.
Now he's running for Secretary of State.
These are people we don't want running our elections.
They can't even admit that there were major problems.
So I don't know how deep we want to get into the elections, but we as Arizonans need to really look at the people running our elections because we've had some shady characters.
Or get a governor who's going to, you know... Well, I mean, when I'm governor, we're going to go through that forensic audit and we're going to fix everything.
And if people defrauded the voters, and I don't want to get into too much detail because I know YouTube has some issues with us talking about that because there's censorship, unfortunately, in this country and it's going to become outlawed in Arizona.
We're not going to allow censorship.
But anybody who defrauded the voters is going to be investigated, and they should be locked up right now, frankly.
They should be locked up right now.
And I'm not the governor right now, and I'm not the attorney general, but these people need to go in there and do their damn job.
tim pool
All right.
We got Frank Reynolds.
He says, Rand Paul for President 2024.
Would you support?
kari lake
Well, if President Trump runs in 2024, I'm going to support President Trump.
I like Rand Paul.
If President Trump says, you know what?
I've had it with this.
I'm going to just enjoy it.
I mean, he's got a great life.
I'm going to go golf or whatever.
Then I would look at Rand Paul.
I think he's a great American patriot.
He cares about this country.
To me, he's one of the greats there.
Didn't he just say today that Fauci should be locked up?
tim pool
Did he say that?
unidentified
Yeah.
kari lake
For five years.
luke rudkowski
For lying to Congress.
kari lake
Why just five years, huh?
tim pool
Here's a good one.
First, let me ask you how long you were in Phoenix for.
20, 30 years?
kari lake
I moved there in 94.
Drove into town on a hot August day.
tim pool
Falconizer says, Carrie, did you see the Phoenix lights?
kari lake
I was working that night.
As a matter of fact, all of the Phoenix Lights documentaries that were produced in movies show, usually they show me anchoring that night.
We were on the air that night and we're like, oh my, you know, the phones were lighting up, they're Phoenix Lights, so there's a bunch of different, you know, over the years they've done a lot of the documentaries on it.
ian crossland
Is this where there's like all those blinking lights and it looked like a battleship in the sky or something?
kari lake
I can't believe how big that story was.
unidentified
What was it?
ian crossland
A bunch of hot air balloons lined up?
kari lake
I forget.
They said it was weather balloons.
Do you remember?
Flares?
unidentified
I mean, there's a bunch of different... Or a V-shaped alien craft.
kari lake
Are you looking at a video of it right now?
ian crossland
Like a newspaper article of it or something.
tim pool
Yeah, like a weird V-shaped light thing.
lydia smith
Interesting.
kari lake
That got a lot of airtime.
We talked about Phoenix Lights, well, forever.
Decades.
ian crossland
There's a lot of government, I would imagine, like, space program work done in the desert, underground and stuff in the mountains.
kari lake
Air force bases, yeah.
luke rudkowski
Are you near Area 51?
Is that in Arizona?
No.
tim pool
I don't know what this means, but I'm gonna read it anyway.
kari lake
Uh-oh.
tim pool
Philip Somet says, Born and bred Tucsonian here.
You have my vote, Carrie.
All you have to do is disavow the Sun Devils and bear down.
kari lake
Is that all it takes for me to gain Tucson but lose Phoenix?
Okay, I'll tell you what.
I don't like the woke-ism over at the Sun Devil, ASU Sun Devils.
But I know a lot of the Sun Devils don't like it either.
Nobody wants that.
And we've got great institutions of learning, higher education.
They gotta do better.
They gotta do better.
tim pool
David Charpenting says, Mrs. Lake, will you appoint Michael Malice your press secretary?
Do you know Michael?
I don't.
So Dave Smith, if he does run for the Libertarian Party presidential, to be a candidate, or to run for office, Michael Malice, who is one of the most notorious internet trolls, is going to be his press secretary.
And we're big fans of Michael.
He's a good friend of the show.
He's a good friend of ours.
kari lake
What makes him so unique?
tim pool
He's very smart.
He's an anarchist.
ian crossland
He's a writer.
He's a writer.
tim pool
He's written about North Korea.
And he's very anti-establishment, and he's critical of the media and the propaganda and the lies, and he's a guy with sharp wit, good memory.
So, if there's anybody who could take the test... Is he in Arizona?
No, no, he's in Texas.
kari lake
We're probably going to hire someone in Arizona.
You know, speaking of North Korea and the universities, I remember the student who...
Yeah, who left North... she was a defector from North Korea, said that she experienced more brainwashing going to an Ivy League college, Princeton I believe it was, than she experienced in her time in North Korea.
This is how effed up our universities are.
That they're being brainwashed worse than what's going on in North Korea.
Think about that for a minute.
We have to address the curriculum in this country.
The poisoning of our children's minds.
tim pool
Here's a good one for you.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Carrie, how does the American First movement handle foreign affairs? Are we still
the world police against evil? What about women being drafted?
kari lake
Well, I talk about China all the time.
I mean, the CCP is not our friend, and we need to bring manufacturing back, and I think we have an opportunity to do that, much like President Trump's Opportunity Zones, and didn't get enough coverage in the media because the media didn't want to showcase anything that the president did well.
We need to bring back, we're calling it Resiliency Zones, and we want to do that in Arizona where we can, you know, manufacture some of the essentials that we need so we don't have to rely on these countries like China.
What was the other question?
Women being drafted?
tim pool
Women being drafted, yes.
kari lake
I'm not for... I don't think we need the draft.
We've got a volunteer military right now.
If women want to fight, I think it should be optional.
I am very much about making sure women have the opportunity to do the things that really are meaningful in life though, and I think motherhood is really meaningful.
tim pool
One of the questions was about foreign policy, and it said world police.
I think they're specifically referencing war.
kari lake
I'm applying for the job of Arizona governor.
I don't think we're gonna be starting a war in Arizona.
I hope not.
tim pool
Well, what if the Feds call in the National Guard for deployment, say, in a foreign country or whatever?
kari lake
And what are you asking?
tim pool
I mean, what's your, I guess, I don't know exactly what you could do if the Feds were like, we're going to pull National Guard and send them to Iraq or something, but I'm just curious your thoughts on something like that happening, how you view it, positive, negative.
kari lake
I'm not for starting a bunch of wars.
I mean, I really loved President, one of the reasons I really loved President Trump was that he was trying to end the endless wars.
I'm about running for Arizona governor, protecting Arizona, putting Arizona first, and bringing, making sure that we are a great climate.
We want to preserve our Western heritage.
We're having so many people move in and Arizona is, have y'all been there at least once?
luke rudkowski
Oh yeah, a bunch of times.
kari lake
It's such a welcoming state that I was able to in 94 drive into town and feel like within a few weeks I'm like, I'm an Arizonan.
You can't do that in New York.
You can move to New York, you can live there five years, and you still can't say I'm a New Yorker.
They just won't let you say it.
So it's a welcoming state, but we don't want to be a doormat.
And we've let so many people in that it's changing that feel of Arizona.
We want to be uniquely Western and uniquely Arizona.
luke rudkowski
They have really good country fried steak in Arizona, in Phoenix, that I love.
I literally fly in there just to get the country fried steak.
I'm gonna look up the name.
It's an old traditional place.
Western place.
They have license plates and a bunch of crazy stuff all over the world.
I love that place.
kari lake
What is it called?
luke rudkowski
I love that place.
kari lake
What is it?
Texas.
luke rudkowski
Yes, that's it.
I love it there.
That's my favorite place.
kari lake
It is a great place.
luke rudkowski
I've been there like 50 times.
tim pool
We got a good question from Chrissy.
She says, what's your plan for the water crisis to solve it?
kari lake
You know what?
We're actually looking at... I'm open to all ideas, but we have to deal with our water crisis because we have a growing population.
People are moving to Arizona and it's a wonderful state.
People want to move there, but we can't survive if we don't address our water issues long term.
And so we can obviously look at things like runoff and making sure that we're doing the right things on a smaller level, but I want to work with our partners to the south, Mexico, and work on a desalination plant.
And we can provide the power through these micro nuclear plants, as we were talking about, and work with Mexico.
Northern Mexico needs water, the whole region needs water, and I want to help spearhead
that, bring other western states into it.
But desalination works.
That's how Israel gets their water.
And Israel, an Israeli company, started a desalination plant in Southern California.
It is expensive, but if we invest in this, the price will come down, and we can't afford
to say, oh, we're not going to deal with our water issue because it's expensive.
Think about when the taps go dry, we're really going to...
It's the most valuable resource on the planet.
tim pool
Yes, absolutely.
So you're thinking desalination in California?
kari lake
Desalination in Mexico, because frankly, it's so difficult through the regulations and the
BS you have to go through to deal with California.
It's easier to work with Mexico and make that happen.
tim pool
There are challenges, however.
So we've talked about it.
I've done actually a few mini-docs on desalination, is that the runoff is basically brine, and
it is heavier than the water.
So when they're expelling, it just kills the lower level life forms on the...
In the ocean?
In the ocean.
... which causes an upward chain of events where you end up with massive die-offs.
I'm not saying desalination is a no.
kari lake
Have you seen the study that says that's not true?
There is one.
I'm going to send it to you.
You have seen it?
I haven't, I haven't.
I actually read one study, because obviously we have to look at the environmental issues and concerns that we could have.
But I read one study where it actually increases sea life.
And I'm going to send it to you.
I wish I had my computer in front of me right now.
tim pool
I don't think that that is necessarily an outright disqualifier for desalination anyway.
But I am still curious.
I feel like there's still going to be an upper threshold of how much water we can be extracting and using.
But, you know, for now, I do like the idea.
I've been to the plants.
I've seen them.
They're really fascinating.
kari lake
Have you been to the one in California or Israel?
Oh, yeah.
I was just looking at a video on that.
tim pool
It's cool, right?
kari lake
No, I haven't been there.
I want to go there.
tim pool
It's like a whole bunch, it's crazy.
Water is forced at high pressure through all of these hundreds of tubes.
It is ridiculous, the filtration they have.
It's cool.
And then you actually can watch the brine get ejected.
And then we talked to an environmental group who said their concern is the brine runoff.
But let's get some more of these questions.
kari lake
Whatever we do, though, we have to look at that.
And I think we can come up with the solutions.
If the solution is the brine, we can come up with a solution for that.
We have to have water.
tim pool
Here's a spicy one for you.
kari lake
Okay.
tim pool
Shiloh Jorgensen says, what's your stance on abortion, weak cutoff and whatnot?
kari lake
I am pro-life and I am 100% pro-life.
If you can convince me that killing a baby is okay, then maybe I'll change my mind.
But there's a child.
It's so radical that we have convinced our young people for a couple generations now that it's okay to take the life of their unborn in the womb.
We've got mothers taking the life of the baby in their womb.
And we've convinced them that that's healthcare.
That's not healthcare.
tim pool
What about medical issues?
If there's a medical issue with the baby or the mother, do you think there should be exceptions in that regard?
kari lake
Well, if the mother's life is at risk, yeah.
I mean, we don't want to lose moms.
But that's not really what I think.
I think that's real rare when that's happening.
tim pool
This is the challenge I have.
And I say, you know, for anti-establishment, anti-state reasons, I find myself pro-choice because I don't like the idea of I don't know how you actually would implement... Would there be a government arbiter or there be some kind of government regulation for when it comes to a woman getting approval for an abortion for a medical reason?
You know what I mean?
kari lake
Well, we're trying to bring it back to the states.
We had the judiciary decide and the people have been taken out of that equation.
tim pool
I think that's wrong, obviously.
You know, Brett Kavanaugh said, how is this a court decision?
It's the legislature that needs to deal with it.
And I'm like, he's right.
kari lake
You've got to get back to that.
The Constitution.
I mean, it was set up and it was pretty much perfect.
unidentified
Yeah.
kari lake
So I'm pro-life.
I'm unapologetically pro-life.
When you hold a baby in your arm, I don't know if any of you have kids here.
Nope.
tim pool
No, I don't.
unidentified
Please do.
tim pool
Come on.
kari lake
Come on, Tim.
What's going on here?
You've got a girlfriend now, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
And you know, I think I just work 16 hour days and that's probably the problem.
kari lake
Okay.
Well, don't miss out on that.
Don't miss out on that.
You'll regret that.
tim pool
Yeah.
Definitely.
That's what everybody says in their deathbed.
kari lake
It's the most amazing thing.
My regret is I only had two kids.
I kind of fell into the hole.
I wish I would have had more kids coming from a family of nine.
And you know, there are options.
People go, what if you can't afford the baby?
You know, there's help out there.
There truly is.
And if you really say, I'm pregnant.
I don't want this baby.
Every state has a safe haven law now.
If you're pregnant and you say, I don't want this child, you can, no questions asked, give that baby away.
But it's not the baby's fault.
It's not the baby's fault.
And we need to really, I think if we're a country that finds it okay to take, to kill a baby in the mother's womb, we got some real problems.
tim pool
Here's a, here's a good one.
Simple.
Oscar Miranda says, how will you secure the border with no support from the federal government?
kari lake
Well, we've got the materials down there.
Let's go down there and start securing it.
Start building the damn fence.
I mean, really.
You're going to build a wall?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You said fence.
kari lake
No, Arizona.
Arizona is a complex state and people don't understand this.
We have, I think, only 20 miles of President Trump's wall to complete.
I'm hearing that.
tim pool
Wait, wait, 20 miles and it's done for Arizona?
kari lake
Yes, but we also have, we also have an Indian reservation on Odom Reservation.
So that's sovereign land.
We can't just go on there and say we're building a wall on your nation.
So we have some complexities.
But we've got, I was down at the border, and within five minutes of arriving and stepping out of the vehicle, people were walking over.
Under Joe Biden's policy, we had, President Trump's policy, Remain in Mexico policy, was the best border policy I've ever seen in my 27 years covering Arizona.
It worked.
And Joe Biden came in on day one and pulled that.
And now we're seeing a crisis.
We need to build the wall.
First of all, we need to sue the federal government for failing to protect us.
And while that lawsuit is working its way through the system, let's go down and start building the wall.
We have many, many miles of Arizona state land we could be building it on.
And let's let's finish these little gaps.
They're coming through a funnel where there's a gap in the president's wall.
And it is on federal land.
But let's build the wall anyway.
What's Joe Biden going to do?
Arrest a sitting governor?
I mean, honestly, but we have to have... You think he would?
I would welcome that challenge.
luke rudkowski
We're not that far away.
kari lake
I would welcome that challenge because he's failing at his duty.
The federal government is failing us in Arizona.
They are to protect us and they're not doing it.
tim pool
He's failing across the board, the entire board.
kari lake
Well, absolutely.
tim pool
Yeah.
But considering you're running for Arizona, I think, you know, that's your...
kari lake
Yeah, so I think we start building the wall.
We start building the wall.
And when I said fence, you caught that.
But if we can't afford it, people say, wait a minute, there's no money for it.
Well, there's a couple ways we could do it.
If they say we can't afford it, an Israeli fence, okay, President Trump's wall costs $20 million a mile.
I believe that was the figure.
An Israeli type fence is $1 million a mile.
So we just need to get a barrier up, a very strong barrier to keep people from coming in.
They're coming in from where there's a gap in the wall.
tim pool
It's the stupidest thing to me when I was reading all these arguments.
They were like, the wall's pointless because most immigrants fly here anyway and then just stay here.
And I'm like, that's not Trump's argument.
Trump's argument was like smuggling and drugs.
And they were like, yeah, well, you can climb over it.
I'm like, sure, but most can't.
Like, I don't know what you're saying.
Like, they kept saying the walls don't work.
And I'm like, quite literally, they do.
In Greece, they built a wall.
I think in Greece, they put up a three meter chain link fence.
unidentified
That was it.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden, illegal immigration dropped by like 90%.
kari lake
Well, and while we're building it, we can put up whatever barrier we can, if we have to do bar.
Whatever we can, we've got to get these areas that they're coming through blocked.
But we also need, we know we have an issue, not an issue, we have a sovereign nation sitting on our border that spans Arizona and Mexico and most people don't realize that.
We can't just go on to a sovereign nation and build a wall.
So we need to make sure that our law enforcement along the counties that are surrounding this area where the drugs and people are coming in, I'm talking to sheriffs who say we don't have money in our budget for overtime.
We need overtime right now because we've got so much coming across the border.
So we need to take this $1.6 billion the feds have given us for COVID relief, send a bunch of it down to our sheriffs along the border to pay overtime, and I think we should enable them to deputize Arizonans who are willing and able to help secure the border.
We've got a lot of veterans, a lot of former law enforcement, a lot of patriotic Arizonans who want to help and create, you know, a posse and help out.
tim pool
Alright, we'll just try and do a couple more.
Lone Wolf asks, do you have any plans to combat social media censorship and narrative propaganda?
And what can those of us not in Arizona do to support you without simultaneously supporting the GOP's bank account?
kari lake
They can come right to CarryLake.com and make a donation.
I am supported and I'm funded by the people of Arizona, not the swamp.
tim pool
Does that not go through WinRed?
kari lake
They can send a check if they want to go that route.
I understand what they're saying.
Yes, some people have a real problem with WinRed.
And you can send a check.
I know that's kind of... Do people still write checks?
I know they do.
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
My son does checks.
kari lake
Yeah, we get checks as well.
And we appreciate that because we don't lose any percentage to that.
ian crossland
Can they PayPal you directly?
Is that legal?
kari lake
That's a good question.
Can I ask my people?
luke rudkowski
Can they Bitcoin you?
We're going to start that soon.
Bitcoin?
Can they Bitcoin you?
kari lake
Oh, apparently we're going to start that soon.
unidentified
Wow.
kari lake
I'm told.
tim pool
Checks are easier to track and that's why people use WinRed.
kari lake
People go, I don't want my name.
And you know, you have to give your name and you have to give your occupation.
This is part of kind of the rules of campaign.
tim pool
But I think with WinRed, it's like that gives a percentage to the GOP as a whole or something.
I'm not entirely sure.
I know ActBlue is kind of like that.
kari lake
What was the first part of his question?
I missed it.
tim pool
Oh, plans to combat social media censorship and narrative propaganda.
kari lake
I want to outlaw censorship in Arizona.
You know, we're a Second Amendment state, and I want to be a First Amendment state.
It's sad that we have to— First Amendment sanctuary, pardon me.
It's sad that we should have to even have these sanctuary counties and cities and states.
The Constitution should just be upheld everywhere.
But we need to start finding these companies that are censoring people.
We have free speech in this country, and until we come and fight back against these tech tyrants who are making a gazillion dollars, we've got to start fining them for censoring Americans.
People go, oh, this is a private company.
This is the town square.
Can you imagine if in the old days, you guys don't probably don't remember the old, you know, wall phone, the kitchen phone.
Oh, of course.
If they heard Tim talking to Luke and they didn't like what the phone company didn't like what you two were talking about, they just cut your line.
That's what we're talking about.
ian crossland
It would have been a global outrage in the 80s if that had happened.
kari lake
I miss that.
I'm starting to really miss the kitchen phone, by the way.
It felt a lot more secure.
tim pool
My mom's still got one.
ian crossland
Keep talking in the future about the censorship stuff, because I feel like Having the government decide what companies can make their
own terms of service be is a bit fascist So but allowing them full reign to do whatever they want
seems to be failing so that we've got to find some other method
I'm looking at freeing the software code of large social networks so that other people can spin up a version of the
network like Twitter They can have their own Twitter with their own terms of service that will interlock with the other Twitter so you can still follow people from either network.
If this Twitter wants to ban you, they can, but you still have your Twitter network.
tim pool
We'll just do that with the Yon Foundation.
kari lake
A lot of people are starting up social media, new platforms.
It's just a matter of finding the one that everybody wants to be on.
I don't know why anybody wants to be on Twitter.
I'm on it.
It's a cesspool.
It's full of bots.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
I want to get one one one last very important one I'm sorry
I couldn't get to every single one and I was definitely trying not to avoid the spicier ones
But I will just first by start by saying Where we consider, you know having our business and opening
up new studios because we're doing a bunch of new shows Social media censorship protections is one of the biggest
issues. So we've looked at Florida when just DeSantis is like, we're going to look into this.
I'm like, maybe we set up a headquarters in Florida.
So that's a good thing.
But there's one, there's one other thing.
Uh, yeah.
Right.
If you do that, one other thing though, Caleb B says, and I'll tell you this,
this one could be very big for me moving to Arizona or setting up shop there.
Will you nullify the NFA and other federal gun laws pertaining to
suppressors like other States have proposed?
What if the feds start interfering?
kari lake
Well, I'm all about pushing back against the feds right now.
I mean, we've got 3,000 miles away from Arizona.
The feds are telling us how to live our life, what to say, when we can work, what we can buy.
You know, it's just ridiculous.
I am not for adding additional gun laws to Arizona.
tim pool
So in Texas, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Luke.
kari lake
Oh, I think you're going to talk about the intrastate versus interstate.
tim pool
Yeah, Texas, I think they said, we have our own suppressors.
You can buy them.
The National Firearms Act does not apply to Texas-made suppressors for Texas citizens.
So I think that's basically what they're- That's what he's getting at.
kari lake
Yeah, like in Arizona- I do like that idea.
It's funny.
I wonder if this is the same person who wrote me recently.
I like the idea of that.
I'd like to look more into it.
I don't want to sit here, you know, after a couple hours and go, yeah, I'm all for that.
I like the idea of it.
It's not being sold outside of Texas.
It's being sold... So why is the federal government taking a role in that?
tim pool
And there's an argument about, oh, but someone could take it here and go there.
Well, that would be committing a crime the federal government can actually stop if that's the case.
My thing is, you know what I want to see?
I want to see Republicans saying it's not about new gun laws.
It's about repealing bad gun laws, too.
ian crossland
Is repealing the NFA realistic?
tim pool
It's the right thing to do.
ian crossland
Is it realistic, or is it just kind of like a pie?
kari lake
If it's going to happen, it'll happen in Arizona.
We are a truly, purely pro-two-way state.
And it is a state where you can come and you can protect yourself, you can protect your family, you can buy ammo.
I mean, in California, you can't even buy ammo.
It's like you've got a worthless piece of metal.
That doesn't do anything.
tim pool
So I'll just, just a very simplified final question.
You would be in favor.
I know you're the governor, so you can't just do this.
It's up to the legislature, but you would be in favor of repealing gun laws in Arizona.
kari lake
Absolutely.
tim pool
Wonderful.
kari lake
I mean, we, we, again, if people act, the governor does have a lot of power, but you have to work with the legislature and we've taken the legislature out.
That's where we got in trouble with our election.
We have to follow the constitution.
The, the legislature is, there's a process for laws to happen or laws to be repealed.
And I'm wanting to work with our legislature more than the governor we have now who never goes down, never talks to the men and women who are working in the legislature.
We've got to have a relationship there so that we're not wasting a bunch of time.
They're not passing a bunch of bills that I wouldn't even consider signing.
I believe I will be the most pro-2A governor of Arizona, maybe in the country.
tim pool
And I'll tell you this, too.
A lot of people need to understand this.
Young leftists are pro-2A.
kari lake
Absolutely.
tim pool
It's the establishment liberal Democrat types who don't want guns.
But young people are absolutely on the left and the right being like, this is our right and we should be able to exercise it.
So we've gone a bit over.
So I'll just say thank you so much for coming.
Is there any final thoughts you wanted to add?
kari lake
I'd love to invite you to bring your company to Arizona.
tim pool
Give me a good reason.
Win the race!
kari lake
We'll work on it.
I'm running for office because I truly love the state of Arizona.
I'm so worried about us turning into a blue state, into a state that's like California.
And we have a movement afoot in Arizona.
We have a lot of excitement.
We are going to have massive numbers of people coming to vote.
and they're gonna come out because of our movement.
They see somebody in me that they know, they trust, who loves the state,
who's doing this for pure motives, and we don't want career politicians.
We're done with them.
They come in on day one, and they have 20, 30 years of political favors.
I don't have any political favors.
My special interest group, it's massive, and it's the people of Arizona.
tim pool
My final thought on this, Trump was the first, but hearing you and seeing what you're doing so far,
and when you win, we'll see what things you do that deserve criticism, but bringing about
a lot of what Trump's policies were, America first, the working class, these things.
doing it articulately, whereas Trump was a bit bombastic, this is the evolution I
think we need. Because I've said, look I know a lot of people who can't get over
Trump's personality, but if you take his policies and you get the right person
who's straightforward, honest, and direct, and tells the media off but is tactful,
that's a landslide victory.
kari lake
Yeah, somebody said you're like Trump, a little soft around the edges.
I said, OK, that's great.
That's a great compliment.
And I do take on the media and I will take on the media.
I worked in the media.
I know their tricks.
Go to my Rumble page.
Rumble.
Carrie Lake.
K-A-R-I-L-A-K-E.
I've gone after CNN, NBC.
If you want to interview me and you're with the media, I will fight back.
I will fight back.
And we have to start fighting back.
unidentified
All right.
kari lake
Because it's not just, oh, they're biased.
They're hurting this country.
tim pool
Yeah, I completely agree.
kari lake
That's what drives me a lot.
We start with indoctrination from K-12, then it's the cherry on top when you get more indoctrination in the universities, and then if you didn't get indoctrinated enough, the media finishes it up.
tim pool
Agreed.
Alright everybody, that about does it.
It's Friday night.
We're all going to hang out and have a good time.
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Carrie, do you want to shout out social media and your website?
kari lake
CarrieLake, K-A-R-R-I-L-A-K-E dot com is my website.
Go there to see where I stand on all of the issues.
It's all laid out.
You can make a donation if you want.
I'm funded by the people, not the swamp.
And I'm also on Carrie Lake on Twitter.
I'm at THE Carrie Lake on Facebook.
Is anybody still on Facebook?
luke rudkowski
Barely.
ian crossland
Barely.
kari lake
Can't get any traction in that place anymore.
I'm on the Carrie Lake, apparently somebody has my name, and then Instagram as well.
luke rudkowski
So to continue the baby talk just really quickly I want to have seven children and you could help me do that by supporting me on LukeUncensored.com.
LukeUncensored.com.
Seven Radowskis running around.
unidentified
We could do this.
kari lake
You will never regret that, Luke.
luke rudkowski
Because you support me, I'm here.
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
I think you're also going to get four dogs.
I can feel it.
luke rudkowski
At least in your future.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
You can catch me at IanCrossland.net.
Carrie, fantastic having you.
kari lake
Great to meet you.
Thank you so much.
It was such a pleasure.
ian crossland
Really good to see you.
That's it.
See you later.
lydia smith
I kind of want to go over to Luke's house some afternoon and see what is going on.
kari lake
Are you going to be part of those seven babies?
lydia smith
Me?
No.
ian crossland
Where is this going?
luke rudkowski
Are you trying to join a harem here?
unidentified
No, no, no.
lydia smith
I just want to see what the chaos is like and see Atlas and all her siblings and all the little Brudowskis.
That sounds terrifying and fun.
So I am Sour Patch Lads on Twitter.
You guys are welcome to follow me.
Thank you so much for joining us tonight, Gary.
tim pool
And that about wraps it up for this week.
We'll see you all on Monday.
Thanks so much for hanging out.
We'll see you all next time.
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