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Timcast IRL - CNBC Host Calls For Military To Enforce National Vax Mandate w/Rav Arora
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tim pool
the world.
In a long tirade, he called for the military to run government-enforced mandatory vaccinations.
It was pretty intense.
This was not some light thing like, maybe we should have the military come out and, you know, offer up people services.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
He was like, everybody should be forced to do it.
And if you don't want to do it, go to court and then file your conscientious objector status and we'll have the military run it.
Fauci came out and he said, it's time, you know, he said, we might not have to lockdown, but prepare for the worst.
When asked, he said, we're going to have lockdowns.
Don't worry, it'll be temporary.
And Joe Biden said, lockdowns will not be necessary.
For now.
If everyone gets the vaccine and wears their masks.
So I'll make this prediction.
You know, I don't like making predictions because the internet loses their minds when I do.
And I, I'm just, you know, sometimes wrong.
But how about this?
I think we're going to see lockdowns again.
I think Omicron is here.
It's been reported in San Francisco.
I think we're going to see lockdowns.
I think it's going to be mostly in blue states.
I certainly think Florida and Texas are going to say, shove off.
But I think New York, California, Illinois, many of these blue states are going to come out and they're going to be like, we've got to do it again.
And I would not be surprised if the governors of these states then kill more elderly people.
We talked about the HOPE experiment.
What was the guy's name?
Carl Richter or something?
He basically put rats in a cylinder full of water and within 15 minutes they give up, they can't swim, they die.
Then he did another experiment where he took them out just before they drown, dries them off, put them back in.
The second time, because of hope, they swam for I think 60 hours was the total.
They wouldn't give up because they believed this hand might come and save me again.
So I've been saying for a while, now that they've reduced the lockdowns, they'll come back and they'll come back substantially worse.
So we're going to talk about all that.
We got a cool group here.
We got Rav here.
You want to introduce yourself, man?
rav arora
Yeah, I'm a journalist, mostly writing for the New York Post and other outlets as well, writing about COVID, mandates, crime, identity politics, but lately a lot about COVID and mandates and young people especially, the side effects that young people are facing and the risks with mandating vaccines for school children and all of what's happening right now in Europe and across North America.
tim pool
Right on, man.
Thanks for coming.
We got a lot to talk about.
We got Luke.
luke rudkowski
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ian crossland
That is an astute statement on your shirt.
I think a lot about if I didn't have the knowledge of what Nazis and what the Nazis had done, that this would be a totally different experience.
If I didn't know that this is actually, not this particularly, but it has happened in the past where they genially put you on a train and take you somewhere to relocate.
luke rudkowski
Ian, wait until you find out what the communists did.
tim pool
And hold on, too.
There's a really great quote.
What the Nazis did was legal.
Yeah.
What Schindler and other people did trying to protect Jews was illegal.
What they did was against the law.
What the United States did to the Japanese with the internment camps was legal.
What the communists did, they all justify it.
So let's make sure we don't confuse legality with morality.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
lydia smith
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, so I'm really excited for this evening because the talk about lockdowns again, talk about this new variant is really distressing.
So hopefully we can find some kind of closure on that.
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Let's jump over to that first story and get right into it.
Joe Biden, be quiet.
I am offended that Joe Biden started talking right as I'm trying to start this segment.
We're going to mute that.
Get out of here, Joe.
CNBC host suggests nationwide vaccine mandate.
Have the military run it.
I really love this story from the Hill because Jim Cramer didn't suggest anything.
He demanded it.
He didn't say, maybe we, you know, we have a national vaccine mandate.
No, he was literally like, this is on the White House and Biden.
Everyone's got to do this.
And if you don't, you go to court and try and prove your objector status.
And it's it's rather crazy.
I'll jump right to this.
We have this tweet here with this video.
I'll jump right to the end.
So you can hear him get to the having the military run this thing.
unidentified
Nobody wants to be the bad guy.
luke rudkowski
He's the bad guy.
unidentified
But back then, anyone who refused to get vaccinated would get ratted out immediately because we knew that person could hurt other people.
The commonweal was a commonweal.
Now we're engaged in a similar struggle with COVID.
tim pool
What was that?
ian crossland
He needs to breathe.
tim pool
No, the way he's slurring his speech, I'm actually wondering... Massive throat and neck tension.
unidentified
Oh, that's true too.
tim pool
Let's play it.
unidentified
Eisenhower would be aghast.
We have immunocompromised people who are incubators for every variant to come, walking around lawfully unvaccinated?
That's psychotic.
We have companies that have tried hard to get people vaccinated and now backing down.
We have governors who want to be president by grandstanding on a foolish state's right issue, the right to get sick and get other people sick.
So it's time to admit that we have to go to war against COVID.
Require vaccination universally.
Have the military run it.
If you don't want to get vaccinated, you better be ready to prove your conscientious objector status in court.
tim pool
You know, I gotta say, he's slurring pretty crazy.
Yeah, that's really good.
I mean, totally, as an aside, I'm not trying to say this disrespectfully, that weird circular wheel, what was he saying?
unidentified
I don't know, dude.
ian crossland
Compared to two years ago, you're totally right.
I haven't watched him in a long time.
luke rudkowski
And he's reading a teleprompter.
tim pool
But the way he said objector, I feel like, I gotta be honest, I thought he was having a stroke.
No joke, no joke.
Like the way he started slurring and losing it.
But anyway, to the point of his politics.
ian crossland
It's a bunch of crazy stuff.
We'll have the military run it.
Just throw it out there.
We just have the military take control and go marshal.
Like, it's crazy the casualty that he spoke with there.
rav arora
And it makes absolutely no sense, by the way, like segregating between unvaccinated and vaccinated when we know that there are several studies showing that the vaccine efficacy Last about six, seven months against infection.
And so after about six, seven months, a vaccinated person is just as likely to get infected and transmit COVID as an infected person, as a, as an unvaccinated person.
Several studies show this.
So mandating the stuff makes no sense because then you're going to have a group of people that has the same level of infection and transmission rates after a certain amount of months.
So it's, it's just a matter of buying us time.
tim pool
So, yeah, so, I mean, obviously you've been talking about boosters for a long time.
And it's weird because you have, like, there was a period where if you said the efficacy was waning, you'd get banned on social media.
Dave Rubin being a great example where he tweeted out, you know, it's not working the way they promised and sooner or later they're going to call for boosters.
And he got suspended on Twitter for it.
And now, sure enough, they've already been saying, I think in Israel, they're on shot number five.
luke rudkowski
Number five which needs to be mandated a part of their ... digital vaccine passport social credit score system ... that they implemented in that country which is absolutely ... absurd Jim Cramer here just proved how much of an ... establishment hack he is he's a Bear Stearns shill showing ... off his best bootlicking on national television which is ... embarrassing for this country I mean.
It's psychotic behavior he wants to throw people in jail ... in court and have the military men who are used to ... fighting armies force people to take a medication that might ... not be right for them that might hurt them that some ... medical professionals are telling some individuals based ... on their own medical history that they can't take I mean are ... you freaking kidding me.
And again, Jim Cramer, maybe I don't know, maybe he was trying to boost up a big pharma stocks by doing this.
I don't know what he was thinking, but I don't trust this man's financial advice, especially when it came to Bear Stearns.
I didn't trust his financial advice when it came to Bitcoin.
When he announced he sold Most of his Bitcoin on June 21st of this year, Bitcoin was about $32,000.
Bitcoin right now is about $57,000.
So his financial advice hasn't been there.
His social critique and political involvement now is full fascistic and as dangerous as it is stupid, in my opinion.
tim pool
Maybe you're right.
I mean, so Jim Cramer's show is like stock show.
He talks about finances.
We got the story from Barron's.
This is from today.
Moderna stock tanks after losing a patent dispute.
Here's what comes next.
I don't really care what comes next.
Moderna dropped 10%.
Now this is today.
That speech he gave was from Monday.
But maybe you're a guy who's talking finance.
Maybe you're a guy who gives bad advice.
And maybe you use your show to try and push and pump and dump and things like that.
luke rudkowski
I'm not saying he does, but I mean it's possible yeah well the Moderna stock went down because the CEO came out a few days ago and said that the vaccine doesn't have that good effectiveness when it comes to this new Omicron variant allegedly and as soon as he said that the stocks go down he soon came after that statement and made another statement saying that we need
Double booster shots in order to successfully fight this new Omicron variant, which just appeared in the United States from a fully vaccinated person in San Francisco, California.
tim pool
Okay, hold on.
You're jumping the gun here, Luke.
You're jumping the gun.
Barron's reporting the stock fell because a federal circuit court of appeals, a panel of three judges, upheld a ruling against the biotech company in a decision on patents that our beautis bio pharma set it owns the patents in
question regard lipid nanoparticles which are used to deliver m rna to sell safely which
basically means if you've got stock in moderna they don't own the rights to that product and i can
only imagine they're gonna have to pay out some kind of portion of their revenue to the rights
luke rudkowski
holder on this regard yeah that plus two judges now ruling against biden's vaccine mandate plus his
latest statements all of course are having a kind of crescendo moment and also with the federal
reserve screaming saying hey this is going to hurt us financially with this new variant no no no
no no no The Federal Reserve printing money out of thin air is going to hurt us financially, as they're the ones causing inflation, as they're the ones causing the larger economic problems.
And they're trying to blame it on this new variant, Omnicron variant, which again, we're still learning about all the details.
tim pool
Omnicron?
luke rudkowski
Whatever they call it.
tim pool
Is that Joe Biden's version?
Yeah, are you choosing Joe Biden's version?
luke rudkowski
Yes, yes.
What the president says is gospel, and we should always trust and believe him no matter what.
ian crossland
I would love to rename it to Omnicron.
lydia smith
That's great.
tim pool
Let's just call it Omnicron.
luke rudkowski
We might as well.
tim pool
I mean, Biden's the authority on this, isn't he?
Yeah.
He's not a withered husk of his former self.
No, he's the president.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
He doesn't have metal stints inside of his brain holding up major blood clots.
rav arora
This idea, by the way, that new variants are going to come and they're going to lead to more booster shots was considered to be absolute conspiracy at the beginning of the pandemic.
It was, this is a two-shot vaccine.
And I don't know if you guys saw on Twitter, Eric Topol, the big medical expert that the left often uses as Somebody who's reliable for this information.
He came out yesterday with a tweet saying this is a three-shot vaccine and he's considered like the one of the biggest most reliable experts on vaccines.
There's one story I was looking at recently by the way, which shows how ineffective vaccines are against infection.
The Ottawa Senators and NHL hockey team 100% vaccination rate and now 40% of the team just tested positive for COVID.
tim pool
Well, so the issue is, are we dealing with variants that the vaccines struggle to deal with?
rav arora
I've heard varying opinions.
I have heard that because of Delta and Omicron that these are new variants and the vaccine have a limited coverage for the various pathogens that they attempt to protect against.
I've no idea how the biological mechanism works, but it's absolutely objectively true that the protection against infection is completely short-lived.
It's only a few months.
tim pool
Well, let's make sure we have that distinction, right?
So to say the vaccines aren't working, well, hold on.
The issue is they don't work long enough.
rav arora
Yes.
tim pool
And that's not... I'm going to say, oh no, they work forever.
Go talk to your doctor because they work forever.
I'm kidding, by the way.
My point is, if you have all of the mainstream media coming out and saying the efficacy is waning and now you need three shots, a booster is your fourth shot, it's Fauci, it's the Moderna CEOs, the guys who are saying you need more boosters.
Not us.
The narrative that they are pushing in that capacity then is breaking confidence in the advocacy of the vaccines.
So what I said, you know, when we saw LeBron James double vaxxed, gets COVID.
New York Daily News wrote in the first sentence, not even the king is immune to COVID-19.
And I was like, he was vaccinated!
So when they said that, it was a really weird cognitive dissonance, I think, for regular people, because people call vaccines immunization.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Yeah.
They would be like, did you get immunized from, you know, this or whatever, or did you go to, you gotta get, you got immunized from yellow fever.
When I went and got my vaccines for going to Venezuela, they said it was getting immunized.
lydia smith
It was synonymous.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
And maybe it's a colloquial thing, like, oh, we don't think it's a guarantee it'll prevent yellow fever or hep or something like that.
But if LeBron James got the vaccine as he was supposed to do it, and he still gets it, and Dan Bongino gets the vaccine because he, you know, he had lymphoma and then he still gets it.
The problem is, All of your data goes out the window.
This is why I'm always just like, go talk to a doctor, man.
I don't want, I don't want liability from anybody making decisions off of, you know, I'm not going to give advice on this.
But the issue then is people will be bewildered.
What are you supposed to do when you have a news story coming out, literally, LeBron James fully vaxxed, gets COVID.
Dan Mangino fully vaxxed, gets COVID.
Who are the politicians who got it and they were fully vaxxed?
We keep having these high-profile stories.
And as you pointed out, what did you say, 40% of the NHL?
rav arora
40% of the Ottawa Senators, a top NHL team, just tested positive for COVID, even though 100% of the team is vaccinated.
And if you talk to top medical experts like Like, in my writing, when I talk about COVID, I have to be very careful.
Like, when I try to publish stuff, if I don't back it up with expert opinion, with trained experts, then it becomes an issue.
But it's worth mentioning, by the way, when we're talking about vaccines, that the protection against death remains durable after several months.
It's the protection against infection that is very short-lived.
luke rudkowski
Well still there's a lot of the science that we haven't figured out and there's a lot of different political beliefs but when we have you know large medical institutions along with Dr. Fauci coming out from the very beginning of this and saying 100% safe and effective just do this one time and everything will go back to normal.
That doesn't build trust.
That doesn't build anyone who's going to willingly now be like, OK, yeah, sure, I'll believe you this time or this time.
And they did it to themselves.
They created a situation where it's very hard to believe anything coming out of their mouth because it keeps changing.
And if it does, you have to admit it's changed.
You have to take accountability.
You have to take responsibility for your words, and they haven't been doing any of that.
Dr. Fauci is afraid of doing any kind of interviews with anyone who even views any kind of different political circumstance differently than he does.
And if he's the nation's doctor, he's not supposed to be political, but he's been political from the very beginning.
He was saying Black Lives Matter protests are great.
Anti-lockdown protests, bad.
They're causing the spread.
Black Lives Matter protests are the ones that are slowing the spread.
And again, you can't have Both, and they've been changing the definitions of vaccines, they've been changing the definitions of herd immunity, and I think it's important for all of us to admit we don't know what's going on here.
I'm not a medical professional, I'm not a medical doctor, we're not here giving medical advice, but at the same time we're here to tell you everyone who's telling you that they know exactly what's happening here is full of crap.
tim pool
I think that's a great point.
What I said, I've said this before and I'll say it again, I'm not a scientist, I'm not a doctor, I can't give you advice on that, but I am an expert in freedom.
And I think one of the issues that we fall into is to be careful.
There should not be government-mandated medical procedures.
That's about it.
And you wanna come to me and say, Jim Cramer, he's like, oh, but we have this reason and that reason.
I'm like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
Government ain't gonna tell me what medical procedures I gotta have.
Because you have to think about what it means philosophically if we move to a point where the government can mandate any of this by force.
Okay, well, you know, people who have Neuralink, cybernetic implants, Have an advantage.
Ah, here's a better one.
People who have the Verichip implant.
Well, it's safer.
Because when they get stopped by police, the police don't have to search for ID.
When they get pulled over, their ID's right with them.
We will reduce crime and end the crime pandemic if everyone just gets their Verichip.
Get that chip injected into your hand.
What happens when a criminal gets stopped and he gives a false name?
Crime gets worse.
We can't give the government the ability to just say, here's the medical procedure you have to undergo because it's going to help make you safer or save lives.
That's it.
rav arora
One of the worst examples of this, by the way, recently, I don't know if you heard about this, 44,000 students in LA are about to lose their right to have in-person education because they missed the vaccine deadline.
Yeah, in Los Angeles, the LA Times reported on this.
44,000 students now are about to move to online schooling only because they didn't get vaccinated.
tim pool
That sounds like a great reset.
Huh.
Okay, so this is where we are in the United States, with Jim Cramer saying he wants the military to enforce this.
Let's talk about what that'll look like.
And the biggest thing you need to be worried about, my friends, are the propagandists.
I can only tell you this.
We use a wonderful little product called NewsGuard.
And I've been criticized for using it because, uh, who funds it, Luke?
luke rudkowski
Bill Gates.
tim pool
Bill Gates!
Oh, heavens!
Bill Gates provides funding.
It's through Microsoft, right?
Or is it him directly?
luke rudkowski
Uh, I'm not sure.
I don't know.
lydia smith
I think it's Microsoft.
tim pool
So, uh, so I use this on purpose as sort of, uh, to make a point.
If I use a news source that makes a claim, and then I highlight that claim and you accuse me of being fake news, I just say, oh, don't look at me, ask Bill Gates, right?
Uh-oh, are they the conspiracy theorists now?
Here's a story we have from The Guardian.
Northern Territory police arrest three people who escaped from Howard Springs COVID quarantine facility.
Trio allegedly jumped the fence at the open air center near Darwin early on Wednesday.
You want to know what the best part is?
Do you know what the name of the Howard... Do you know what type of facility the Howard Springs facility is?
It's like a... No, no, give me the exact statement.
No hyperbole.
Literally, what is the Howard Springs facility?
Anybody?
lydia smith
Summer camp?
tim pool
I don't know.
No.
Nope.
That's nothing.
I don't know.
What has the Australian government called it? You guys don't know this? No, no, no, no, no, no,
they call it a quarantine camp. I didn't think that was very difficult. But I guess you guys
didn't know. They're now calling it the Center for National Resilience. What? Police and staff
at the Center for National Resilience. Oh, I'm sorry. That's probably I probably got that wrong.
That's probably just where they're doing the investigation from. The police and staff at
the Center for National Resilience are currently confirming the absconders identities prior to
to releasing further information.
They say it's a large open-air facility for quarantining people.
The alleged escape.
The absconders.
So there are people being brought to these facilities.
Voluntarily?
Is it voluntary?
lydia smith
Do we know?
ian crossland
Well, they're not able to leave voluntarily, apparently.
luke rudkowski
It doesn't look voluntarily.
ian crossland
If they have to escape, then there's not a voluntary exit strategy.
Well, that I know of.
tim pool
So let's get into the propagandists.
This one's a little too personal for me.
I've been harping on this for a minute, but I want to make this very concise for you guys, so you can understand what's going on in Australia.
I have this series of tweets that break down what's happening in Australia very simply.
I said, don't forget, if the chief minister says you can't leave your home even to get food, thanks the army for their trucks used to transport COVID suspects, and you get arrested if you try to leave the camp, Jesse Singal and Quillette say it's a conspiracy theory.
So here we go.
Here's one article.
Under that lockdown, residents could only leave home for five reasons, including essential shopping, essential work, providing or receiving care, exercise, and obtaining medical treatment.
Gunnar has announced, Binjari and Rockhole residents now cannot leave.
Their homes unless for medical reasons or in an emergency.
That means you can't leave for food.
We have this from Grabian.
Chief Minister Gunner, the army is now transferring positive COVID cases and contacts in Northern Territory Australia to quarantine camps by army trucks.
And finally, NT police arrest three people who escaped from Howard Springs COVID quarantine facility.
The propaganda and those supporting the state narrative in this regard is probably the scariest thing to me because what ended up happening today was Jesse Singel wrote this entirely fabricated story about me claiming that I was like a conspiracy theorist or something based on my tweets literally quoting abc.net.au which is to say 38 people were transported by army truck to the quarantine facilities.
I never said by with guns drawn or by force or anything like that.
He then writes this big article that's completely fake, seemingly just to kind of discredit me.
Now, of course, I know that's personal, and I take emotional issue with it, but I decided to put together these three sources, which I included the links to all of these stories on Twitter, and surprise, surprise, many people didn't know this was real.
So a lot of people engaging in the Twitter spat I had with Jesse see these three stories, and their response immediately was, no way that's real.
Because if you read these propaganda stories from like Quillette or Jesse, you'd think I made it up.
When in fact, it's all NewsGuard certified sources.
In Australia, they have police and military setting up checkpoints and locking down people in their homes.
The chief minister has said, you cannot leave your home for the normal lockdown reasons, meaning no food.
He then said, I'd like to thank the Prime Minister for the ADF personnel and army trucks to transport the suspected cases and close contacts to the Howard Springs facility.
All of that was said from his mouth.
lydia smith
I feel like coulette is kind of going the way of the mainstream media, which is a little bit troubling.
And I think it's a really good reminder that we need to be incredibly critical of all of our sources, even if we think that they're mostly or some percentage in agreement with us ideologically.
luke rudkowski
It's also pretty terrifying what's happening in Australia where the government previously disarmed the citizenry.
Very interestingly, no one's really bringing up how gun confiscation worked really well in Australia anymore.
I remember hearing about that a few months ago.
I don't hear about that right now.
tim pool
Ain't nobody in Australia would take up arms against what's going on.
luke rudkowski
Probably, but still I think it's a factor worth considering here.
But when it came to these three escapees, I remember seeing a news report showing how police officers were closing down roads and inspecting every single vehicle Searching everyone's cars to make sure that no one was hiding trying to make these people get away from the larger area so they they caught these people but but this is this is again absolutely huge powers that the government is granting itself in the name of a tragedy that that of course has historically gone down with people exploiting
Really bad events for their own personal powers and the ... powers that they have in Australia.
I mean the authorities there have rushed through laws ... that give them the ability to control people's social media ... accounts to hack their accounts to see everything that ... they're doing to deny them the ability to be able to walk ... into businesses heavy fines for not wearing a mask heavy ... fines for going to protest jail time for people organizing ...
And when you when you're seeing human rights eviscerated ... to such extent where you can't even voice an opinion ... against the government without having the government ... knocking on your door saying we want to control your social ... media we now have the ability to post as you when we want we ... have the ability to know every little detail about your life ... that is a dangerous.
Power that you have given the government that of course it routinely historically always abuses
tim pool
I want to give a special shout outs to Quillette and to Jesse single too because if there's one thing they
accomplished in making up Fake stories about me or lying is that they've just gotten
me to cover the issue in greater detail more and more So I mean it look it was initially I tweeted
Concentration camp in reference to Howard Springs is kind of like a jokey trolly thing and Claire decided to go nuts
on it So I doubled down and now we're at the point where I've
covered this in great detail and it's only getting worse Now there's manhunts for people who are escaping
from this, uh, quarantine facility.
And, uh, and Jesse decides to write a completely fabricated narrative about me based on a tweet without doing any research.
That's the, that's the funniest thing about it.
And in turn, I obviously get mad about it.
And then we cover the story in greater detail.
Once again, simplifying that in Australia, they are rounding people up with the assistance of the military and the chief minister is thanking them for the assistance, sending them to a camp where they're trying to escape.
ian crossland
Do you think, is Claire in Australia right now?
tim pool
Yes, she is.
ian crossland
So is she in a position now where she got online and was like, you're right, Tim, what the government's doing here is horrible.
Would they come knocking on her door?
tim pool
Yeah, probably.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, of course.
I mean, there's incredible videos showing police officers showing up at people's doors, banging, demanding, saying, did you post this on the internet?
Were you here at this protest?
Did you dare have a voice against the state?
Intimidating people harassing people not just protesters journalists like uh, what's his name?
Yemi.
Uh, I forgot it.
Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, uh, Avi Avi Avi's been doing really incredible work.
He had police show up at his door He's routinely detained for even trying to report on these protests as an official member of the press so when you have You know, intimidation of journalism.
When you have the suppression of people's voices, when you have the suppression of protests, when you have the suppression of people's speech, you have a situation that is absolutely Orwellian, destructive, dangerous, and the opposite of anything progressive that anyone could even imagine.
tim pool
You want to know what the best part is about these three people who escaped?
They were teenagers, and they had tested negative.
The Australian government took three teenagers from the Benjari community, brought them to a quarantine facility when they were negative for COVID, tested them, they were negative, and then when these three teens escaped, the police were sent out to investigate, hunt them down, and arrest them.
luke rudkowski
Set up roadblocks!
Set up roadblocks!
rav arora
Why are they there though?
If they're negative.
luke rudkowski
They were near someone.
tim pool
I have to wonder about the Australian government bringing people without COVID to a quarantine camp where they're not allowed to leave.
And then you have to imagine these teenagers are probably thinking, I don't want to get COVID.
And they're like, you're negative.
They're like, good, let me go.
unidentified
No.
rav arora
Wait, were they positive maybe first and then they were negative?
tim pool
So it's possible, but the minister said close contacts.
So that means like, well, you know, we got, you know, my brother's downstairs.
You are officially a close contact.
They'd come to your house and arrest you and be like, well, you know, you were a close contact with this person.
You might be like, I didn't see that person.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Too bad.
The best part about it is how they say they're not doing it by force.
And now you have all of these, I swear, look, people need to understand.
It's a known fact that governments use sock puppetry on social media.
The bot accounts.
I'm not saying every person's a bot, but they do this.
And it's funny to see the propagandists coming out and tweeting, it's been confirmed, people are not being taken by force.
And I'm like, are you kidding?
Then why are they escaping?
Like, they're voluntarily showing up and then trying to break out?
That makes literally no sense.
More importantly, they voluntarily show up but can't voluntarily leave.
How about we'll just call it that.
Okay, the Australian government is offering free rides in army trucks to the quarantine facility where people aren't allowed to leave by threat of arrest.
Is that it?
Are we good now?
lydia smith
Do you think it's possible they just don't tell them that they can't leave once they get there?
Are they maybe misleading them?
ian crossland
That's definitely possible.
tim pool
I think it is completely unreasonable to make the argument that when the minister comes out and says you can't leave your house to eat, And we're gonna take people by army truck to quarantine facilities where they will be arrested if they escape.
The idea that they're voluntarily going to this place is absurd.
ian crossland
You know what I don't like is the way the Australian police interact with the citizenry.
Like gorillas attacking like a wounded lamb.
Like they just walk up on people.
No fear, like their arms are out, like they're about to grapple.
So they're not afraid of getting shot in the chest because they've disarmed the populace.
And they just stumble towards humans and use their mass to squeeze them.
It's disgusting.
rav arora
One question I have about the Australian camps is, are vaccinated people able to get into these camps?
Do they detain those people too?
tim pool
Yeah, probably, for sure.
Or if they're a suspected case.
One of the big things, too, and we'll get into this in just a second, is that there's new travel restrictions where Biden wants to implement them, that no matter your vaccination status, if you travel into the country, you've got to quarantine for a week, you've got to have a negative test before traveling, and all of these, like, I don't know, what's the word for the zealots?
All of these hardcore government-mandate zealots are like, What do you mean I've got to take a test in quarantine?
I'm double-vaxxed!
And one guy tweeted like, I'm double-vaxxed and boosted.
I refuse to be treated like these dewormer people.
It's like, what did you think was going to happen, bro?
Get your subscription now.
Promo code Fauciouchi to your monthly vaccine booster.
Look, I think if people want, if people are concerned about their health, you go and talk to a doctor about it.
I think COVID is very, very serious.
I got it.
And boy, was it bad.
But I think the problem is they keep trying to centralize everything.
They keep trying to say, we have an idea.
This one thing will solve the problem.
When in reality, it's going to be a multifaceted approach that solves this.
ian crossland
It's not polio.
This Jim Cramer guy acted like it's polio.
Like, like we're dealing with polio.
And he, and he, and then he was like, so he said, polio is horrible.
Polio is horrible.
So we need to use vaccines against COVID like complete non sequitur irrelevance.
rav arora
Also other vaccines for polio and smallpox.
They took years to get mandated.
luke rudkowski
Wasn't it 15 plus years?
rav arora
Some were like five or six years.
Others were like 15 years, but never before has it been right away as it has been with COVID.
ian crossland
So they didn't rush out a vaccine for.
rav arora
No, no, no.
luke rudkowski
And there's also the danger of rushing something that will have an effect that of course will stop the natural progression of a virus and potentially even make it worse.
That's what some scientists are speculating right now that this intervention could actually cause to a worse situation another different variant that could hurt the world even more Which if you're thinking about how the state has been ... using this problem to help their friends to conduct the ... largest transfer of wealth and recorded human history to ... empower themselves with God-like authority over the ... population I would think that they would have an interest in ... making the situation worse personally myself but that is ... just my own perspective.
My own personal opinion.
Some scientists are speculating this as well.
But again, the data, the science, it's still all coming in.
It still really hasn't been figured out.
But to jump to conclusions, to say we need authoritarianism, we need tyranny to solve this problem is absolutely ridiculous.
It's a stupid idea.
And it's an idea that Joe Rogan argued recently is hurting more people than actually helping more people.
And I think that argument has a lot of merit to it.
rav arora
I'm still surprised how many people say that the vaccines are a way to end the pandemic, that they stop the spread of COVID.
Like, so many people still say that.
It's like, no, no, it's mainstream science that that's not the case, that it slows the spread temporarily.
That's the most accurate way to say it.
tim pool
We've got, let's, let's, uh, let me see if I can pull this, uh, let me see if I can find this.
Here we go.
We got this story from news, uh, from Sky News.
Omicron variant highly infectious and booster jabs may need double dose, says Moderna CEO.
It is.
A official.
Big Pharma narrative.
Sky News.
That you will need to get a double dose of the booster because of the new variant.
So there's no slowing the spread, I guess, but there's no stopping it if this is our plan of action.
And you've got a mainstream narrative from a lot of these people.
It's like you mentioned earlier, Luke.
They say, just get the first shot and then we're good.
Everyone will be fine.
They said in New York City, the mandate was one shot at least.
Now it's, you know, they're saying, okay, well, now you gotta get, then it was get two doses for fully vaccinated.
Then they said, we gotta get your booster.
Now they're saying, no, no, no, the third shot is not a booster.
It's a normal part of the whole vaccine process.
And now imagine this.
Imagine you got three shots already, and they're saying that's not a booster.
The CEO of Moderna is now saying you will need two more shots Because of Omicron.
luke rudkowski
It's like a rainmaker selling umbrellas.
That's my personal perspective on it.
But again, we have to understand who does this kind of benefit here?
Where's the accountability?
Where's the oversight?
Where's people saying, hey, let's actually take a look at this and let's maybe see if some people are maybe motivated more by profit than they are about general health.
And if we are interested in general health, shouldn't we have conversations about Obesity shouldn't we have conversations about diet and ... if you want to have a totalitarian response to the ... shore but if you're going to be attacking anyone it should be ... maybe KFC McDonald's Burger King especially if you're ... caring about people's health but but again it's it's ... ridiculous to even think about it that way.
And again, people's health is important and the discussions about exercise, vitamin D, getting proper sleep, not being stressed out, making sure that you're living a life that is a healthy, happy one rather than just a wage slave one where you're indoctrinated By just horrible ideas and horrible foods that go into ... your system and make you a crappy unhealthy unhappy person ... if you want to start those conversations we should have ... them and I think we would have a far better effect at helping ... people when it comes to making people healthier than we would ... by just giving all of our full faith to Big Pharma because as ... we know they're treated like our overlords right now.
ian crossland
I'm not surprised that this CEO of a pharmaceutical company is suggesting that his vaccine is the way to go forward.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm not surprised that he's saying, you actually need two.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Okay.
tim pool
I'm a window maker.
And have you considered putting two windows in the same place?
ian crossland
The people, when there's a health crisis, you don't want to be looking to your pharmaceutical CEOs for the way forward necessarily.
tim pool
We sound like such leftists.
These big corporations are just trying to turn a profit exploiting the health crisis, and we should... Yeah.
ian crossland
I mean, they were ready to go on this thing.
tim pool
It's true.
This is the problem I have with, like, the left, is that when we refer to the left, we are quite literally referring to leftist populists and the establishment, because for whatever reason, they're aligned on this one.
You take a look at the most prominent personalities they have, and they agree on all this stuff.
And I'm like, yo, how come you guys are pro-Big Pharma now?
Maybe it's because, quite simply, the new generation of leftists, they were, you know, teenagers 10 years ago.
So when the Occupy Wall Street types were out there saying, like, Big Pharma's bad, those people are now in their mid to late 30s, and these 20-something-year-olds who are on YouTube and pushing this politics of the far left were born into a world where Big Pharma's actually good!
Martin Shkreli?
Awesome guy, apparently, I guess.
That's their position?
luke rudkowski
Okay, sure.
And the record of some of these companies, record fines, bribing doctors, bribing regulators, buying off corporate media, I can name a lot of individuals, I can name a lot of multinational corporations that, of course, were guilty of this, but they have a criminal past.
They're liable for causing real-life human harm before And, for people just to give them a pass, a blind trust, because, you know, there's a tragedy that's being exploited here, is something that is worrying, personally, myself, that I am concerned about, from my own personal perspective.
rav arora
Also, the way that they're funding research, too.
Like, I was listening to this one cardiologist in the UK that Majid Nawaz was interviewing, by the way.
I don't know if you've seen his content lately, Majid, on Twitter.
He's been great on this.
And the cardiologist was saying that 66% of academic research done on medical issues is funded by drug companies.
So that creates a huge bias.
So a number of researchers are unable to publish certain kind of research that goes against the efficacy of a certain drug that can lead to, I think Joe was pointing out recently on his podcast, Joe Rogan, several drugs, dozens of drugs that have been pulled off the market that were initially approved and led to so many excess deaths and injuries.
And that was because the studies that were done that showed the efficacy were tainted by this influence
from the drug industry.
And it led to so many deaths and injuries.
tim pool
Have you, I mean, you guys have seen the brought to you by Moderna montage?
luke rudkowski
Oh yeah.
rav arora
Oh yeah.
tim pool
CNN's new day brought to you by Pfizer.
And that shows like all the media saying that.
Yeah, man, when you have commercials, I think the United States is one of only like,
what I think like two countries that allow commercials for drugs.
ian crossland
It's insidious.
tim pool
And the best part about it, I love this, is that they don't tell you what the drugs do.
Florinostrin, call your doctor to see if it's right for you.
Like, they won't tell you what it is.
But they want you to buy it.
ian crossland
Yeah, they'll show like an old woman and man dancing in the field in slow motion.
This could be you if you just take our drugs.
luke rudkowski
Restless leg syndrome?
We have a solution!
And then side effects include... Eat the food that our other company sells you.
ian crossland
Take our medicine that our other company sells you.
luke rudkowski
Are you feeling stressed?
Take this!
tim pool
It's a joke.
Like, people do sketches where it's like, side effects may include, you know, explosive diarrhea.
But, like, I was actually... I saw an ad recently for some medication where they actually said... I verbally exclaimed in my living room when we were watching some show, and it was like, get this treatment!
And the side effects include, like, bleeding heart or something.
It's like, some ridiculous thing where it was like, you know, blood clots and, you know, deep vein thrombosis and other... and, like, cardiac arrest.
And I was like, why would you take that?
It was like, do you have, you know, irritable bowel syndrome?
Take this thing that can stop your heart and it's like...
I don't know, maybe you just gotta go to the bathroom.
Cause that side effects are crazy.
I don't know man, but you know what?
Far be it from me.
If somebody's got some kind of disease and they're suffering and they say, I'll take the risk if it makes my life better, that's between them, their doctor, ultimately they make a choice about what's right for their life.
ian crossland
Yeah, not commercials.
You're right, the United States and New Zealand are the only countries in the world that allow drug advertising on commercials right now.
luke rudkowski
And it's pretty much all you see, especially if you watch the corporate media.
You just see pharma ad after pharma ad after pharma ad.
Now again, we also have to be intellectually honest here.
Not all of big pharma is evil.
Some of the stuff that they do produce does really help people, has revolutionized medicine, and has changed people's lives for the better.
We have to admit that on a certain level.
But there is a very sinister, nasty, disgusting element of it that literally profits off of human suffering.
Rather cures the symptoms than the cause and is ... knowingly making money hiding real cures because of someone ... sitting at an office saying I prefer money over human life we ... saw that with the opioid epidemic we saw that with ... institutions in this country being bought out by Big Pharma ... that literally turned a huge portion of this country into ... heroin addicts knowingly because of big money and when ... you have that much of power that much influence that much ... harm caused by this industry.
I'm sorry.
You don't have my faith.
You don't have my personal belief system in you.
I'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
You don't deserve it.
tim pool
Okay, Bernie bro.
unidentified
It's true.
It's true.
tim pool
And then you got the prison industrial complex saying these working class family men who lost their jobs to the factories being shipped overseas, who then got hooked on opioids, should go to prison for it.
And the police with smiles on their faces kicking the doors of the victims, working class people in this country, and send them to jail.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, the whole system.
But you know what the problem is?
Yo, I can see it, right?
Luke can see it.
We can all see it.
Big pharmaceutical companies exploiting a crisis, exploiting pain, pumping opioids into this country.
The policies of the Democratic and Republican establishment extracting factories and jobs from this country overseas to make a quick buck.
More government.
More police officers.
More money for Big Pharma.
More money for the big prison industries.
luke rudkowski
More government, more police officers, more money for Big Pharma, more money for the big prison industries, more
government intervention in our daily lives, which is insane.
ian crossland
I do support using the government's power to disrupt the monopoly of making pharmaceutical commercials legal.
I would like the government to make them illegal like they did with the tobacco commercials in the 60s or whatever it was, the 70s.
That is maybe a little socialist in me, but I think that there's a time and a place to use the heavy hammer of the government to prevent these private companies from taking over.
tim pool
Sunset Clause.
That's not socialist.
That's something we can do reasonably as a community, as a country, as a nation, and be like,
here's what we agree and don't agree on how these companies should function.
I think regulations are fine.
The problem is when they never get removed and they're outdated or broken in some ways.
So what ends up happening is- Sunset clause.
Exactly.
We say, okay, we're gonna try this out.
We're going to do a two year, you know, uh, ban on pharmaceutical commercials or something.
And then we'll see how it happens.
And if it's, and then in two years it sunsets and then, you know, we'll have to re, re-vote for it or something like that.
ian crossland
And all the politicians that got bribed for two years by the pharma industry so that when they vote next time, they'll make sure to... No, it'll naturally sunset.
tim pool
It'll just disappear.
The law will just be gone.
That is a big problem.
You know, the lobbying and all that stuff, and the promises, there's no real way around it.
Because they'll just be like, look, we can't give you anything, but when you're out in two years, we'll give you a high-paying job in the company.
I just, you know, it's not socialist to say the present industrial complex, well, actually, it's anti-socialist, I should say.
The government subsidizes private prisons, guaranteeing contracts.
So you'll get a dude who is hooked on opiates because he was prescribed it.
They get addicted, where they're in extreme pain.
They don't get any more.
The doctor says, no, you're cut off.
And they become desperate.
They go through withdrawals.
And they could die from this.
And so then they seek out non-legal methods for obtaining this to help themselves.
Then they go to prison.
And the government says, we got no issue with that.
Private prison system?
Here's somebody to throw into the machine and we will pay you for it.
And what's happening is our tax dollars are paying for a broken machine that is not helping these people, that is only incentivizing this.
So I'll tell you this, that's not capitalism.
That's more akin to communism and socialism than capitalism.
The problem is, first of all, most conservatives don't talk about this.
They don't seem to care.
Private prisons is not a big issue for them.
Trump wasn't interested in prison reform.
But when the left brings it up, they're like, this is a problem of capitalism.
And I'm like, what about the government taking the money from the people by force to fund these corrupt prison systems?
Is capitalism?
luke rudkowski
And creating absurd laws that put innocent people that didn't harm anyone in jail?
I mean, that absolutely makes no sense.
I think a perfect meme that I saw that represents the larger ideas that you're trying to get across here, Tim, was a protester screaming that we need more government, and then there was a full-on riot cop with pepper spray, pepper spraying her in the face, and then the pepper spray was more government, and she was getting all of it.
Because again, you look at this kind of reciprocal cycle, they create all these Stupid laws that create victimless crimes that put people in jail when they shouldn't be there.
They come out worse criminals.
They come out destroyed.
They come out without having their rights.
They come out without a sense of decency.
They come out in a situation where they can't even probably get a job in most places.
It's not always the case, but again, They create a situation that incentivizes some of the worst behavior in this world, and then we're asking ourselves, why do we have one of the largest prison populations?
We wonder why.
It's a big business and people profit off of it.
rav arora
Speaking of victimless crimes, brother, this morning I was looking at certain reports that were released from Austria showing that, starting in February, people who don't take the vaccine might be incarcerated.
Those are still preliminary reports, but we do know for sure there's going to be a $4,000 fine starting in February for those people who don't get vaccinated.
This is mainstream news, not conspiracy at all.
It's incredible that they can exercise that much control.
Across Europe, you're seeing that.
In Slovenia, the small European country, They dabbled with the policy that people who were filling up on gas had to show their COVID certificate, otherwise they couldn't get their gas.
But then there was so much backlash that they backtracked afterwards.
But looking at Austria, the Czech Republic, Lithuania, and I believe Berlin, Germany as well, are considering mandatory vaccination, otherwise paying fines or even incarceration.
It's crazy.
tim pool
In the US, in 1905, there was a Supreme Court ruling that stated you could fine someone in your community if they don't get vaccinated.
The fine was $5 at the time, the equivalent of about $150, but that was it.
That's the argument used by many of these leftists to say, see, we've always had vax mandates.
And I'm like, yeah, I guess, but they were never able, my understanding is they weren't able to collect the money from them.
That was the issue.
He's like, I ain't paying you, you can't do anything about it.
So, I mean, sure, I guess you can argue you can fine someone, but they can still say no.
The ultimate issue was that they could try to compel you to do it, but ultimately could not force the needle into your arm.
Now, the narrative from the left is like, we've always had vaccine mandates, what about schools?
And it's like, you can choose not to go to the school, you can choose to move your kids, you can get a medical exemption or religious exemption.
Now, they're outright saying, like Jim Cramer, just have the military mandate it, and in Australia, Look, I think it's fair to say the Australian press and all these people are lying through their teeth.
And at this point, I would actually say that's, in my opinion, circumstantial evidence to suggest everything we think about what's going on in Australia is probably a lot worse than it is.
They admit they arrest three teenagers from escaping from the quarantine facility.
Okay, if that's the case, and Claire Lehman and whoever else wants to argue that they're international arrival bungalows, where people like hot babes are sunbathing, but then they'll also tell us you'll be arrested if you escape, I can only assume that it's substantially worse and they're probably just flogging people in their rooms.
I'm kidding, by the way, I really don't think they're doing that.
But if we know they're lying about everything, why would I even just give them the benefit of the doubt in any capacity?
lydia smith
So to me, this kind of smacks of an authoritarian government because I remember when COVID first started, my friend looked at the numbers and said, oh, this is coming out of China.
Those numbers are 10 times what they're telling us.
And I was like, yes, absolutely.
So like what you're saying right now, what Australia is admitting to is going to be very much a PR stunt.
The fact that they're coming out and saying, oh, no, you know, people aren't you know being forced to do this or whatever and sending all these awesome pictures of ladies in bikinis very strange advertising for these camps but it's like you're hiding something you need to fess up and they're never going to because they'll never be held to account which is a little bit discouraging but at least the fact that there's a marketing campaign with women in bikinis in government quarantine camps is creepier than the fact that there wasn't it's just the hashtag apparently yeah
luke rudkowski
But the fact that people are collecting these and making articles and making stories about this justifying this bigger power grab by government and not trying to hold the government accountable, not even talking about personal responsibility, is absolutely worrying.
And we're seeing a lot of crazy stuff happening in Europe.
Greece just made the vaccine mandatory for everyone over the age of 60.
It's pretty much mandatory in Italy already.
It's pretty much mandatory in France.
But it's not really Implemented because people are not going along with it, but in Italy right now You can't board a plane.
You can't board a bus.
You can't board any kind of public transportation You can't have any job public or private if you don't go through the government compliance and you get their approval and you get a paper saying hey, I'm okay with Being able to, you know, bow down to government, then you could actually do all of those things, which is ridiculous.
tim pool
Let's bring it back from Europe and Australia to the United States.
We have the story from the Huffington Post, excellent source of news.
I'm being sarcastic by the way.
Fauci says Omicron, I'm sorry, Omnicron, May not be big deal, but U.S.
should prepare for the worst.
He said the COVID-19 variant will inevitably come to the U.S.
if it's not already here, and warned that it's going to have an advantage in transmissibility.
It will never end.
He says, this is a clarion call, as far as I'm concerned, of saying, let's put aside all of these differences that we have and say, if you're not vaccinated, get vaccinated.
If you're fully vaccinated, get boosted and get the children vaccinated also.
Fauci, director of National Institute, NIAID, said that though there is still much that is unknown about Omicron, it's actually Omicron, but we're making fun of Joe Biden, just so you know.
Vaccines offer a proven level of protection.
Level, they say.
A level of protection, sure.
But that's why he's saying get boosted, because the efficacy has waned.
And as we already mentioned in a previous segment, the Moderna CEO says, you've maybe got to get two.
So it will likely turn into more than that.
Quote, it may not be as good as protecting against initial infection, but it has a very important impact on diminishing the likelihood that you're going to get a severe outcome from it.
I don't know, ask Dan Bongino.
He said he got a really bad reaction from it, and he's double vaxxed.
Well, here we go.
SFGate reports, San Francisco reports first U.S.
Omicron case.
Symptoms very mild.
All right, very mild is good.
But, um, prepare for the worst, says Fauci.
What's the worst?
Well, I can imagine for most people the worst would be a lockdown.
unidentified
Right?
ian crossland
Destroying your business.
It's whatever each person wants to imagine.
It's their own terror.
It's their own fear.
He's putting people in a state of fear.
Prepare for the worst possible thing you can think of.
luke rudkowski
The best fear that the government could have is the fear of the unknown.
And the more kind of unknown this is, the more people's imagination plays on the best of them,
including the larger guilt trips, the emotional manipulation, the trauma-based mind control,
I like to call it, is essentially what people are going through.
Fauci, by the way, was also joined by Obama yesterday, and they did a surprise visit at a D.C. elementary school,
and they were meeting students and encouraging them to get the vaccine
and congratulating the children who did get the vaccine.
tim pool
I think parents should be talking to doctors, and I'm really, what irks me about this is that you can't give medical advice on YouTube.
Joe Rogan gets slammed in the media for saying his opinion on what he received.
Joe Rogan does, there's a video where he's like, here's the things I got, and they're like, meh!
And then I do a video, I'm like, here's what I got, here's my thoughts, and they're like, meh!
And then they can come out and say, oh yeah, we wanna encourage you to take all of this stuff, we don't know your medical history or not, but we're gonna encourage this particular treatment for you.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, we don't play that game.
You don't get to argue that you get to advertise your preferred medical assessment, you know, treatment, and then everyone else who might bring up their opinion on it gets banned.
End of the day, anybody who just blindly goes for any medical procedure without consulting a medical professional they trust, and perhaps even getting a second opinion, is making a mistake in my opinion.
rav arora
Did you see what Bill de Blasio was saying to encourage kids to get vaccinated a couple months ago?
tim pool
A hundred bucks.
rav arora
Yeah, a hundred bucks.
And he was saying you can buy a lot of candy with it.
You can buy a lot.
luke rudkowski
Jeez!
rav arora
It's such a creepy way.
luke rudkowski
Look, look, look.
rav arora
By the way, with kids, sorry.
tim pool
No, no, I'm just gonna come down right to it and say, we need to stick to the freedom argument.
Personal liberty, individual choice.
Because what's happening is, man, we're just slowly being pulled further and further into the mandates will happen no matter what.
I'm worried most about young people right now with the vaccine, with mandating it.
a new sensational fear mongering story, a new thing that gets everybody who opposes
the mandates arguing about that, we are being dragged leftward.
ian crossland
And more commercials about the drugs.
rav arora
That's something I'm worried most about young people right now with the vaccine with mandating
it and I mentioned the 44,000 kids in LA.
They're gonna start mandating in more and more schools more and more kids are going
to be kicked out and pushed to online learning where they're not going to have those real
interactions that promote growth and in all sorts of ways.
But I've interviewed several experts about vaccinating young people, including Dr. Jay Bhattacharya at Stanford, Martin Kohldorf at Harvard, multiple doctors, and they say that the myocarditis signal in young people is especially concerning.
According to CDC data, I gave Lydia the link also in the email, in the email, But according to CDC data, the risk is about 1 in 5,000 for young men specifically in between the ages of like 12 to 20.
And so vaccinating, so 1 in 5,000 may seem like a small risk, but once you multiply that by millions of doses, then that adds up and then you have And by this is no exaggeration, in my own city in Chilliwack, I've heard of three cases of young boys who after the vaccine had a seriously adverse reaction and were in the hospital because of cardiac arrest due to the vaccine.
I'm not saying don't get the vaccine for your kid.
Doctors, you know, that I trust say if your kid has obesity, you know, you should consider it or if they have cancer.
tim pool
Underlying conditions.
rav arora
Things like that.
When it comes to healthy young boys though, a 1 in 5,000 risk is not trivial and we shouldn't be mandating it at all.
tim pool
I think this is why I want to get to it again.
It's like we shouldn't mandate anything.
We shouldn't mandate chips.
We shouldn't mandate vaccines.
I'm not saying chips are happening.
Calm down, media.
But we have this story from the New York Times we briefly showed.
The FDA is assessing whether the Moderna vaccine can cause heart problems in adolescents.
They say the FDA is reviewing reports suggesting the coronavirus vaccine made by Moderna can cause heart problems in some adolescents, the company said on Sunday.
This is not conspiracy.
This is literally Moderna saying we have these reports.
The FDA needs to review this.
Moderna requested authorization from the FDA for its use in the vaccine from children ages 12 to 17 in June.
The adolescents would receive 100 micrograms of the vaccine, the same dose given to adults 18 and above.
But the agency has not yet made a ruling on the application, prompting speculation about reasons for the delay.
In a statement on Sunday, Moderna said the FDA requires additional time to evaluate recent international analyses of the risk of myocarditis after vaccination.
Okay, so if Fauci and Obama want to go to kids and say, go do this, and the FDA is literally like, we're going to review these reports, international reports about myocarditis, it is extremely irresponsible, and this is what pisses me off.
I'm not going to recommend anything to anybody, but I certainly think it's fair to point out the New York Times has reported this.
This is a month ago, they reported this, and the FDA is going to be evaluating these claims, and these claims exist.
Now, by all means, when you talk to your doctor, show him this, and make sure you get sound advice.
And if you don't trust your doctor, get a better doctor.
But the idea that politicians are going to go out and advise people on medical procedures, to me, is just insane.
And more importantly, as an expert on freedom, I don't care what you want to mandate, Freedom!
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
I have a right to my body, my autonomy, and we just had the Supreme Court, we probably should have highlighted this, the Supreme Court's basically ending Roe v. Wade.
This is the official narrative across the board from left-wing journalists to establishment corporate press that come June, Roe v. Wade will be done, and we'll talk about that in a second.
And my attitude is, look, I don't like abortion used as contraception.
I don't like the idea in any capacity that a life is being destroyed.
But I err on the side of the government ain't got no business in my medical decisions or others.
And that means if somebody has a legitimate reason they have to undergo an abortion, I don't think they should have a certificate filled out or have to get approval from the government for a medical procedure their doctor recommends.
But it should be through a private doctor.
That being said, I feel the exact same way about all the mandates.
What pisses me off is that we don't have that consistency among the left.
When the right came out and said, okay, my body, my choice, they said, you're liars, we don't believe you.
rav arora
Yeah, also quickly, I want to say about the myocarditis risk.
One of the interesting things is that the science doesn't change in terms of risk of myocarditis from country to country, yet the policy is completely different.
So in the US and in Canada, you have the, well in Canada specifically, you have the policy where young people over the age of 12 in BC and in Ontario have to be vaccinated, otherwise they can't go and exercise to a gym, they can't go to a bar, restaurants, etc.
And starting yesterday, you can't leave Canada because of the vaccine mandates.
But in other countries, with young people, what they've done is, in many cases, they've suspended the Moderna vaccine because of the higher rates of myocarditis, as that piece was pointing out, by the way.
tim pool
I think I actually have this here.
rav arora
Sweden, Denmark, Finland, a number of other countries have paused Moderna.
tim pool
October 8th, CNBC.
Nordic countries are restricting the use of Moderna's COVID vaccine.
The decision to limit the use of Moderna vaccine centers around concerns it could be linked to cases of myocarditis.
So this is... Moderna recognizes it.
The FDA is looking into it.
rav arora
Nordic countries... This is all fact and very... Also, they're finding that myocarditis is concentrated after the second dose in young men, not with the first as much.
And because of that, countries like Hong Kong and the UK are only recommending one dose to young people.
So think about that.
Other countries who have their own legitimate health authorities are saying, young people, get one dose, okay?
But countries like Canada, you have to get two doses, otherwise you can't go to the gym.
In LA, if you're a young person, you have to get two doses, otherwise you're gonna be kicked out of in-school learning.
That's crazy.
It's the same fucking science, but totally different public policy.
Sorry, was I...
tim pool
No, whatever, man.
ian crossland
They do that with AIDS.
luke rudkowski
You were talking about a puck, right?
In Canada, they have pucks.
ian crossland
That's how AIDS is, too.
They can measure HIV, but then every country kind of has a different response to that, and that's their AIDS thing.
If you have pneumonia in a certain country and you have a high T cell count, It shows why it's political.
rav arora
It's politicized, right?
The science is not just one thing.
You can base policies off of this science that's growing, by the way.
I like how the left, they view science as a very religious kind of system.
Science is supposed to be constantly evolving and updating as you see new information.
Like, this whole myocarditis risk was not known when the vaccines were initially released, right?
But then we saw data from Israel coming out, and Alex Berenson was talking about this, and other people, and they're like, no, no, that's conspiracy.
Like, heart inflammation?
Come on.
That's sort of bullshit.
But then more and more information came out, more and more studies.
There's also stuff happening with menstrual bleeding in women after the vaccine.
tim pool
I don't know about that stuff, though.
I looked into that.
I didn't find anything on that.
rav arora
Well, yeah, I know.
I sent Lydia a link.
Lydia, if you want to look at that, the menstrual bleeding.
Can I say something about that issue specifically?
So a friend of mine in July, she's 17 or 18.
She said she had this horrible menstrual bleeding after the vaccine.
And I told her, it's probably not the vaccine, like, come on, there's probably something else, right?
And then another young female friend told me, and then I heard about it from another one, and then I started asking around, and I kid you not, almost everywhere I asked among young females... That's a weird thing to ask women, bro.
Yeah, I know, I know.
ian crossland
Quirks of being a reporter.
unidentified
But... I'm reporting, how was your last cycle?
rav arora
But I've heard of at least 20 young girls, like girls who tell me like, yeah, all my friends, they had the same reaction, which is like crazy.
And the NIH is actually funding research right now into looking at this specific risk with menstrual bleeding in women.
And then also the Guardian and the New York Times have reported this, that in In the UK, in their adverse reporting system, they were inundated with reports of young women having this menstrual bleeding issue.
So, it is a real thing that is being investigated.
Therefore, another reason why mandates are stupid and we should... And rushing vaccines has a risk.
tim pool
We always have to make sure we consider what I refer to as the scaling problem.
That as a system grows larger, the tolerance for error grows smaller.
So, if you give out 100 vaccines and one person has an adverse reaction, nobody cares.
Oh, I heard Jim had a weird reaction.
Oh, just Jim, huh?
No problem.
But that's 1%.
You give out a hundred million vaccines, and now you have a million people all talking about these stories, and everyone's like, what's happening?
A million people had this same percentage of error.
As the system grows larger, our tolerance for error diminishes, you know, proportionally.
So what may be happening is that a lot of people are like, look at VAERS.
The numbers are through the roof for adverse events.
And I'm like, yeah, we also haven't had mass scale vaccinations globally or in the country like this too.
So make sure you're looking at margins and not hard numbers.
It would be like looking at New York City and being like, wow, they had 10,000 muggings.
That's the highest in the nation.
And then being like, yeah, but per 100,000 people, they have substantially less muggings.
New York's got like 10 million people in the Metro.
Then you can look at these, like, small towns where per capita they have, like, 50 muggings.
Like, in West Virginia, they have seriously high crime, but very low population.
So you'll get, like, 50 stories about muggings, and you won't think twice about it.
And then in New York, you have everyone you know has been mugged.
It makes you think it's worse than it really is.
rav arora
So it's important to look at the denominator especially, not just the numerator.
tim pool
I am not saying ignore the data.
I'm not saying ignore this.
I'm saying literally take all of this, do research.
Seriously, ignore the mainstream media when they're like, don't do your own research.
No, no, no, do your own research.
Make sure you have trust in yourself and your knowledge.
Bring it to a doctor.
You don't trust them, you get a second opinion, but make sure you know what you're putting in your body.
Because I'll tell you this, if you just go to someone and say, tell me what to do and I don't care.
I'm not going to think twice.
I think it's a bad idea.
I think you have a responsibility for your health.
And I also think you have a responsibility to seek out experts, which is your medical professionals and find someone you trust.
But it's a combination of things, man.
luke rudkowski
And all the liabilities on you here, the people who produced it, the people who forced you to take it, your business, your boss, your government is not responsible.
They have no liability here at all if something goes wrong.
And there have been stories of a lot of people who've had And again, you know, correlation does not prove causation.
We need to be intellectually honest here.
There's a lot of things that are still unknown here, but a lot of people who had complications were left with huge medical bills because they had to pay for all the problems and consequences that led up to this decision that was essentially forced onto them.
And when that happens, you're making the decision that you're going to be responsible for no matter what happens, and no one's going to bail you out.
tim pool
All right.
Now we're going to get into the portion of the show that I saved for near the end, because I knew it would consume probably the rest of the show.
Whenever we talk about Roe v. Wade or abortion, it turns into this major, long conversation.
And so I was like, if we open with this, it's going to be an hour of debating abortion.
So I don't know.
Maybe we should have.
It's the bigger news here.
But ladies and gentlemen, From CNBC, Supreme Court conservatives look ready to gut Roe v. Wade during arguments in Mississippi abortion case.
It was today.
Mississippi wants to ban abortions after 15 weeks, and the Supreme Court heard oral arguments, and boy did the left have almost no argument.
Look, you guys know me.
I'm pro-choice.
I am not pro-abortion.
The modern left, in my opinion, is pro-abortion, not pro-choice, and pro-choice is few and far between if it exists at all.
I think the pro-choice individuals have more in common with pro-lifers, but they do disagree.
I heard some of the arguments.
You could listen to it.
Chief Justice Roberts made excellent points, and he did compare the U.S.
to other countries, and he still made good points.
The left seemingly had no real argument, and it got to the point where a reporter from Slate tweeted, the arguments are in.
The Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade in June 2022.
He then deleted the tweet and said, too many people thought it was a statement of fact.
He said, what I'm saying is it's a prediction.
These are leftist reporters.
The NBC News tweeted, it appears the conservatives are going to repeal, I'm paraphrasing, repeal or strike down Roe v. Wade.
There are 12 states with what's called trigger laws, which means as soon as Roe v. Wade is overturned, they instantly go into effect.
They've already been passed and abortion will be immediately banned.
It is believed that many more states will then ban abortion, and you will have blue states that allow it, red states that don't.
The Supreme— I'm just going to say it again.
We don't know what's going to happen.
It might not.
But based on what the justices were arguing, Kavanaugh, man, he hit it out of the park and I have to agree with him.
He said you have, like he basically, I'll paraphrase, he was like, you haven't presented an argument as to why this is an issue for the Supreme Court.
This sounds like something Congress needs to address.
And I'm like, he's right.
The Supreme Court shouldn't be deciding whether something is banned or not banned.
Congress needs to pass laws legislating this stuff.
On that alone, and also listening to the argument from the Solicitor General, who is like defending Roe v. Wade, she was just saying like, the right to abortion is in the 14th Amendment.
And I think it was Clarence Thomas who was like, What?
I can read the Second Amendment that says something.
I don't know what you're getting at with that.
So yeah, this seems like the end.
I know Luke was celebrating earlier.
luke rudkowski
I don't know about that.
I saw some weird videos on Twitter today of women taking, I think it was abortion pills?
tim pool
Claiming to, yeah.
luke rudkowski
Claiming to or doing it?
I don't know.
It's such a complicated debate.
There's so much emotion involved in this.
And I don't think people celebrating abortions is something that is tasteful, to say the least.
It's something that was very concerning to see.
And, you know, there's different aspects.
There's different places where you could be on the spectrum here.
And there's, of course, people arguing that if you do take an abortion, you are killing a life.
And therefore, you are trampling on somebody else's life.
So that's where the argument gets complicated.
tim pool
All right, Luke, so what's your position?
luke rudkowski
I honestly want to do more research into this.
I don't want to make a conclusion, because it's a question that's very difficult to answer, and not having done enough research on it, I don't feel well-versed to expose any opinions on it, to be completely honest with you.
tim pool
So what you're saying is you're sitting back as babies are being murdered and you're okay with that?
luke rudkowski
There's a nice fence that I see here and it's nice to sit on some fences sometimes.
But being honest here, you know, there's things that I believe personally and there's things I believe the government should be involved in.
I don't think the government should be involved in anything but people are arguing that when you're committing an abortion you are killing another individual.
And that argument is compelling to a lot of people, and I think it should be an argument that should be talked about more.
rav arora
Well, I think cut-off time is important.
Like, after how many weeks?
And I remain hesitantly pro-choice on this issue.
I don't really publicly share my opinions on this like Luke here.
But I think it's, what is it, 12 weeks for when the baby has a heartbeat, I believe?
That seems to be potentially a logical cutoff like after 12 weeks then
Potentially maybe we shouldn't be able to or maybe bit after that
I don't know but it's a matter of having a reasonable cutoff point
tim pool
We can debate about I know Luke's trying to be careful here But the reason is is you know before the show he actually
confirmed to me. He's pro-death Actually pro-life at all
He's like, send them all to the camps, to the gulags.
There's no fence on this issue.
It's one of the hardest issues, ethically.
But I was reading a lot about Roe v. Wade and the initial rulings.
Basically, the idea is... Man, it's insanely complicated.
You can't, what they're saying is they don't want you to be able to abort after the fetus is viable.
Because at that point you're dealing with a self-sustaining independent life.
Before that the baby is not able to live outside.
So, so, um.
rav arora
How many weeks are we talking?
tim pool
24.
24 on.
And I guess initially, during the initial arguments on Roe v. Wade, it was like 26 and beyond was viable.
And now with medical technology, it's gone up to 24.
And so, you know, pro-lifers are basically like, don't abort for any reason.
And what's happening now in Mississippi is they're saying, after 15 weeks, you can't get an abortion.
John Roberts was talking to her name.
What's her name?
I can't remember her name.
The Solicitor General.
And he was like, if you're talking about the issue of choice, I don't understand how 15 weeks is not adequate time to make a choice.
And she did not have an argument.
And he brought up European countries.
He said, in many European countries, they have less time than we do.
And then she lied and said, no, they allow abortion up to the point of viability.
lydia smith
That's not true.
tim pool
And it's not true at all.
Yeah, Europe is actually very strict.
I think 12 weeks in Europe.
lydia smith
Much more so than the U.S.
rav arora
Why have they chosen 15, by the way, here?
What's the rationale behind 15?
tim pool
That's the heartbeat, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
15 is around the time.
15, 16 is around the time the heartbeat is technical.
rav arora
I thought it was 12 for heartbeat.
tim pool
Maybe.
Maybe you're right.
luke rudkowski
I think it's also important for people to distinguish what they believe personally and what would they rather have the government do.
Personally, I'm not a fan of government.
But personally, if I had a situation where, you know, I was potentially having a child, I would do everything in my power to have that child, and I would do everything to make sure that there wasn't an abortion.
Personally, speaking from my own personal perspective, that's what I would do.
tim pool
There's an interesting argument in this whole debate that basically came up, and it's, if a woman is pregnant with a baby, and the baby is not able to sustain itself, Then, I don't think it's the state's right to determine that someone has to share their body with someone else.
But the issue for me is, if a woman has to go to a doctor, and the doctor says something like, look, you've got this, you know, problem, it's a serious health issue, and it could kill both of you, and we're worried about this.
Understanding the argument, because I've talked to Seamus from Freedom Tombs about this a lot, he's like, doctors can be wrong about that, and often will pressure towards abortion.
But that argument aside, if this woman has a serious medical issue, it's traumatizing, it's serious, I don't like the idea that she goes to the government and seeks out approval or paperwork.
However, if we're at a certain point where, on average, the baby is viable, you are now asking to terminate a sustainable life form.
You are now saying to the government, I would like to kill this life.
Okay?
At that point, I think it's even absurd that you can go to the government, request termination of someone else.
If the baby can live outside the womb, then I don't understand why we don't just say, OK, well, we're going to take the baby out of the womb and let it live.
ian crossland
Well, what is life?
I mean, just lay there in a cradle until it starves to death?
Or are we having someone take care of it?
tim pool
No, they put it in the premature baby incubation.
ian crossland
Someone's got to feed it and take care of it.
Someone's got to start mothering it immediately when it's removed from the womb.
tim pool
Tough moral questions, Ian.
What's the alternative?
We say we have this baby.
Let's say you have a nine-month, a full-term baby, fresh out of the womb, and then you're like, well, who's gonna feed it?
I won't!
So what do you do?
luke rudkowski
Well, there's also a lot of people who can't have children and wish they can have children and they wish they could adopt, but our adoption system is absolutely crazy to the point where many Americans are literally going to China and Russia in order to get babies there because the process is so much easier and simpler to do it over there than to jump through all the government hoops here in the United States that actively intervenes and, you know, some would argue prevents people from being able to adopt children here in the United States.
So there's also arguments for that as well.
And again, this is a very difficult discussion.
A lot of emotion here.
You know, life, you know, how does it begin?
tim pool
Life begins at conception.
End of story.
luke rudkowski
Life is precious in my opinion and should be preserved at all costs.
tim pool
This is a very sensitive issue and we already got a super chat where they're like,
long story short, Tim's hypocritical for opposing the death penalty but for being pro-choice.
I ain't pro-abortion!
I think killing is wrong.
I think using abortion as contraception is disgusting.
The problem is, saying to the government, you have a right to be in the doctor's room with a person, to demand their papers.
I don't think it should be allowed for vaccines.
I don't think it should be allowed for when you have to go to a doctor and you say, yo, my life sucks.
I have a serious problem.
And I think about the challenge here in that there are a lot of women who are crying, saying, please, please save my baby.
And the doctor's saying, ma'am, I can't.
It's ectopic.
It's not going to work.
And then he's like, now, in order to save you, fill out this government form and go talk to your local politician about why this is what you need to do.
I don't like the idea of the government being involved in that.
I certainly despise, to a great degree, that people abuse the system to be like, eh, accidentally got pregnant.
Instead of using birth control, I'll just kill it.
That's screwed up.
That's bad and wrong.
And then I sit there, like, with my head shaking, like, how do you reconcile this?
I cannot entertain the idea of the government being given authority over our bodies and having a right to be in these medical rooms.
There is an interesting argument, though, about the time duration.
There's no middle ground here.
This is the challenge here.
I think killing is wrong.
I think there are certain circumstances where you have to and it's unfortunate.
Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have had to kill the people he did but he was defending himself and I don't think he should go to prison for it and I wish those people didn't lose their lives no matter how awful they are.
Sometimes you have no choice.
If there is a woman who has a serious medical issue, a legitimate one, I'm not talking about stupid lies or arguments or whatever, I'm talking about legitimate, like, yo, the heart is busted up and it's not gonna survive and it might kill you too, and the mother is crying, begging for help, saying, please don't let this be true, and now she's gotta go to the government for approval?
Man, screw that, I'm not all about that.
I think that's ridiculous that Kyle Rittenhouse had to justify to a court with the threat of life in prison because he was simply trying to save his own life.
And I view the issue very similarly when it comes to legitimate arguments from women who are dealing with this stuff.
It is very, very difficult to reconcile.
I can fully admit Hands down, Michelle Wolf and Lena Dunham, these people sicken me when they're celebrating this stuff and cheering for it, and women are standing outside of courtrooms taking pills, mocking it.
But the problem is, you know, I'll tell you this, it's really simple.
A pro-choice position is ridiculously close to the pro-lifers.
They're both saying, man, we really hate this.
And the pro-lifers are like, well, we don't want there to be any excuse for why they're going to get away with doing this.
And many of the pro-choicers, the legitimate ones, are like, man, but getting the government involved.
And then you have the pro-abortion people, which is the modern mainstream left, and they're celebrating this trash.
So look, I don't want the death penalty.
I don't want abortions.
I recognize sometimes people die.
I recognize sometimes there are abortions.
I don't have all the answers morally, but I just don't like the government getting involved in people's business.
rav arora
Yeah, I think also, to add to your point, I think you're absolutely right.
And it's important to look at costs and benefits for when implementing a policy.
You can't just look at the benefits and the costs, or sorry, just the benefits or the costs.
When it came to COVID, people were all about lockdowns, lockdowns, and obviously they save lives.
That's true.
When it comes to COVID, but when it comes to the economy, then it's totally different calculation.
So in this case, you know, allowing, you know, being pro-choice doesn't mean that you're pro-abortion.
It's just that you think that government mandates and government power in this case is more dangerous than certain people abusing that choice.
So you're looking at the cost and deeming that to be more dangerous than the benefit.
tim pool
There's an interesting potential argument here as well.
What if there was no government involvement in any abortion, but the doctor did have to have a legitimate reason?
lydia smith
How about that?
That's a good idea.
luke rudkowski
Well, you know, there's different spectrums here and I think one of the worst ones was what happened when a lot of very powerful eugenicists in the United States implemented a one-child policy in the United States and had a situation where the government there was forcing people to have abortions because they didn't want them to have more than one child.
So that's the inverse of a situation where the government got involved in abortions but made it mandatory for almost everyone to take it if they wanted to have a second child.
There's also a lot of very dark history when it comes to Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood, how it started, a lot of letters by Margaret Sanger that are absolutely troubling, that are absolutely worrying, and when you really delve into a lot of Government intervening in this specific realm.
I think it highlights a very sinister dark past that is worth conversing and understanding before kind of jumping into this position because I think it does play into the government's role here.
tim pool
This is such an impossible moral conundrum, to be completely honest.
Let's imagine a rape victim.
Someone who was not irresponsible, someone who did not make that choice, who is now being told by the government, you are obligated to share your body and blood, your bodily autonomy is hereby revoked, you are now to provide for this other life.
ian crossland
If the girl wants to kill the baby, she's gonna kill the baby.
Whether the government tells her it's legal or not, We've had I've heard anecdotal stories of people going to like back alleys to get these black dark abortions under the table illegally and like she gets hurt during the thing because it's not done on the on the up and up.
She takes some sort of injury like.
You're not going to stop it.
It's been going on since the dawn of humanity, whether we've been destroying babies that aren't viable, like they come out and they have their cripple or something, and they would kill the baby and then... The Spartans, man.
Yeah.
tim pool
They would just like leave it in the woods, right?
And see if it survived.
rav arora
To play devil's advocate on that argument, though, like that, from what I've read, the rape cases are only about 1% of cases for abortion.
Some people say that you shouldn't base policy based on the 1% of cases.
tim pool
I don't think rape is an excuse for killing a baby, for terminating the life.
I think the problem though is there's a lot of very serious philosophical arguments about responsibility and choice.
A lot of people immediately go to, how could you be against the death penalty but for abortion?
It's like there's completely different philosophical arguments there.
luke rudkowski
I think you're mansplaining too much, Tim.
What about the guys who get pregnant?
And what does the woman here think about this debate?
Linda?
lydia smith
Oh boy, Luke, you triggered a firestorm here because I've been sitting listening and I've been thinking how wonderful it is that I've been able to maintain my silence as long as I have.
This is like my hill to die on.
This is what I really care about.
You're correct that a vanishingly small number of abortions are in fact committed because they are a result of rape or incest.
I use numbers from the Guttmacher Institute which is what Planned Parenthood uses for their numbers so they err on the side of maybe trying to pump those numbers up to kind of support the idea that abortion is actually medically necessary.
And I agree with Tim because I know people who are the result of rape and they are wonderful people Right.
They were adopted by people who care very much about them.
And of course they would much rather be alive than be dead.
tim pool
And and that's why I said right.
I think the conservatives who argue the rape or incest exception I don't understand that at all.
Yeah. I don't see how it's the baby's fault that they were conceived. However there's an there's an issue of someone
being forced to share their body with someone else.
So if the government came to me right now and said, we're gonna hook up your blood to Ian because Ian needs your blood to live, I'd be like, hell no.
And they'd be like, well, you should have been more responsible.
I didn't choose that.
So that's the personal autonomy problem.
Further, the problem arises that, yeah, 1% is, you know, but, and so I think it's 99, isn't it like 99% of abortions are no reason given?
I think abortion as contraception is wrong.
But I don't know how you deal with it then when someone can just walk in there and be like, rape.
And then what do you do to the actual rape victims who are like, you can't force me to share my body with somebody else.
I didn't choose this.
I don't have the answers, man.
rav arora
I think one of the most compelling arguments on the pro-life side is what Luke was alluding to earlier.
And I've looked at the data on this, that there is actually higher need for adoption than there is actual supply.
For when it comes to very young children, I believe that changes for kids after the age of like six.
Like there's an abundance of kids in foster care homes who aren't able to find parents to adopt them.
But when it comes to really young infants, from what I understand, there's a huge, huge need but it's not met with the same level of supply.
So arguably you could say that we should have pro-life policy and let people give birth to kids and give it off to adoption because there are so many parents, gay couples also, who are looking to adopt and it's very, very hard because there's a very, very low supply.
lydia smith
I do think that one of the things that we could do to help solve the problem of abortion is to reform the adoption system, make it simpler.
One of the problems with Roe v. Wade is that it never should have been legislated at the federal level.
Because what they found was that abortion was becoming more socially acceptable before they passed Roe v. Wade.
If they had gone state to state and said, do you guys want abortion?
And each individual state had used their 10th Amendment rights to say, we do want it, we don't want it.
Because this is not, in fact, a duty left to the federal government by the Constitution, thereby meaning it should be left to the state.
There are no emanations and penumbras in the 14th amendment that say that a woman should be allowed to remove her child's body from her body by force if necessary.
So I think that we are- you're correct that it is very nuanced and I hate to see leftists being so insane but I thank them for making my case for me because no one can look at these women standing on the steps of this building taking these abortion pills and just shouting their abortion.
tim pool
Phil Labonte from All That Remains tweeted that if there's one issue that's gonna push moderates to the conservatives, it's the issue of abortion because the leftist argument on all this stuff is like, I mean, it's evil.
It is amoral, it is unethical, it is evil.
They don't treat life with value.
And look, I get it.
When they talk about moral relativism, oh yeah, I think it's a real thing.
And I think when you have a bunch of people who lack a moral framework, they have no problem Literally killing burning down buildings and celebrating it and we've seen that with the riots all throughout last year 25 directly dead as a result of the George Floyd riots and not an ounce of remorse.
In fact, they still celebrate it when when Was it arrow Aaron Danielson?
That was his name the guy in Portland who took two to the chest.
Yeah, they cheered for it Yeah When, uh, what happened after Charlottesville?
Everyone on the right mourned and said, this is terrible.
We're, we're, we're, we're shocked by this.
It's because you look at the moral foundations of these people and they don't have any.
We talk about, you know, care and fairness.
No, whatever the modern, modern leftists are, they are just a chaotic, destructive force.
They have no principles.
There is no logic.
I'm not talking about literally everyone on the left.
I'm talking about the weird cultist woke, whatever, cheering for death, taking abortion pills, celebrating the stuff.
That's just amoral outright, and to me, overtly evil.
My issue is just like, wow, I'm trying to be good, I'm trying to respect everybody, but boy is it hard when you have a woman who is an autonomous life-form with rights, and a baby who is an autonomous life-form with rights, and how do we reconcile that with what the government gets to do?
Ben Shapiro.
Brilliant argument.
That if there's one thing the state DOES do, it's protect life.
In which case, when it comes to the issue of a child, a baby, which, and life does begin at conception, any other argument otherwise is a ridiculous political argument, then the government should be involved in whether or not life is terminated.
And I want to address that one very seriously, because Look, when the sperm and the egg come together, you get unique DNA.
And from that point on, there is a unique set of DNA.
That is new life.
The new life is now created.
When we had Vosh on the show, he was talking with Charlie Kirk, and he was asked, when does he think life starts?
He was like, uh, birth?
And I'm like, so if the baby is not born from the woman, it's like not alive?
But you can have a baby at 8 months be removed via c-section and it's alive and self-sustaining.
Why is birth the point?
What does traveling through the vagina and the vulva have to do with whether or not this baby is literally living?
I've heard from people that say 3 months.
3 months is when life starts.
Because babies can't remember anything before that.
And I'm like...
So people who have, you know, serious amnesia issues or short-term memory issues and can't remember things aren't alive?
It's a ridiculous argument.
Life begins at conception.
That's, it's just, it's a political argument to say otherwise.
Moving on from there, you have a very serious conundrum of who gets to decide when a life is terminated.
I don't like the death penalty and I don't like abortion, but I recognize death and abortion.
ian crossland
You get a couple of skin cells in a petri dish.
It's alive.
It's not a human.
I think that's, when does it become a human is the debate.
tim pool
I think, is the skin going to grow and become?
ian crossland
Unknown.
tim pool
Well, the answer is no, Ian.
ian crossland
You don't know.
It's still... No, we do.
What do you mean?
I'm not talking about... I'm talking about when does the baby in utero become a human?
Like, at what point do we say... It's a lie from conception, I agree.
Living muscle tissue.
But at what point do we acknowledge human?
Is it heartbeat?
Is it a brain?
Three weeks?
Nine weeks?
Twelve weeks?
Well, it's not really human at that point yet, though.
lydia smith
This is such an interesting argument because If you watched a dog sperm meet a dog egg, would you ask the question, is that a dog?
Would there be any doubt in your mind that a little puppy would result from that union?
Probably not.
unidentified
I don't understand why we do this with humans and not with animals.
tim pool
Ian, the reason I disagree with you is that it would be like looking at a child.
And being like, it's not it's not a human because I mean, we don't know that it'll become a mature adult who can reproduce.
ian crossland
No, it's a zygote.
tim pool
If you look at a zygote, you're arguing a different stage of human life doesn't mean it's human.
ian crossland
Well, you don't you don't know what it's going to become yet when you're looking at a zygote.
Unless you know that it was a human sperm and egg or a dog sperm and egg, you don't know what it's going to turn into.
rav arora
I think in Ian's defense, I think the differentiation you're trying to make potentially is in terms of pain perception, potentially, you could say.
At what stage does the fetus feel pain and it's actually different?
Arguably.
tim pool
Then that argument is like Terry Schiavo.
lydia smith
Remember that whole thing?
tim pool
A person in a vegetative state isn't alive?
What if someone's in a coma, they can't respond to stimuli, you're just like, meh, they're dead.
We have no idea if they'll come to, and then a week later they wake up and say, wow, they're alive.
rav arora
But sperm and egg versus an actual fetus that has a heartbeat, like in terms of feeling pain after you terminate it, it would be different.
tim pool
I'm saying I don't think pain is relevant to the conversation of whether someone has rights.
There are people who literally can't feel pain.
rav arora
I'm saying arguably in terms of suffering, if we're measuring based on suffering, But I don't think we are.
tim pool
Like, if an old man is comatose, you know, a guy in his 60s is comatose, he has rights.
And I think there's an interesting question about, are we obligated to give him life support?
And the answer to that is probably no, but we can, and maybe it's the right thing to do.
I don't think healthcare is a human right.
If there's someone lying on the ground in the woods and they're comatose, you can be like, they will die.
Like, without assistance from someone else, they have no right to it, but we do want to save them.
When it comes to... My point is that pain is not relevant to whether or not we want someone to live or they have the right to live or anything like that.
Just because someone can feel pain or can suffer doesn't mean we let them die.
We usually choose to preserve life.
rav arora
But obviously there is a difference, morally speaking.
There is some difference there.
tim pool
I don't agree.
rav arora
In terms of how much harm you're inflicting on just an egg in a sperm versus an actual fetus, you know, 20 weeks in.
Obviously there's a difference.
I'm not saying that that's a big difference, but it is there.
tim pool
It is fair to say that we do, as a culture, treat fertilized eggs very, very differently than we would like an actual baby.
If a woman has a fertilized egg and then miscarries and doesn't know what happened and it just flushed out of the body, there's no murder trial.
There's no murder investigation.
If she gives birth to a baby and then something happens and the baby dies in the crib, the cops are going to come and try and figure out what happened.
So there's a certain point where the government would intervene and wouldn't intervene.
That being said, I think the government is doing a heck of a bad job and that's why I don't like them.
I don't like the government and the system in a lot of ways and a lot of things they do.
lydia smith
So one of the things that I was going to add to Luke's point from earlier was that I feel like a lot of this would be resolved if we reduce the size of the government and reduce their overreach.
If we kind of scaled back the involvement that they have in the adoption process, if we scaled it all the way back from telling women what they can and can't do.
If we left it to doctors, if we left it to mothers.
But I, at the end of the day, I have to say that I genuinely feel that this is a cultural problem and we need to fix the culture.
tim pool
I figured it out.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
You just gotta pull a Trump, a big ask, right?
Do you guys know what the big ask is?
ian crossland
Nice, yeah.
tim pool
So a big ask, you know, read Art of the Deal, right?
That's Trump's book, right?
And it's basically like, you know, maybe I want to sell, what's a good example?
I want to I wanna hire you to do a job.
And so what you do with the big ask is you'll say, okay, I'll do this job.
What you really want is 50 bucks.
But you know, if you start with 50, I'm gonna negotiate down.
So you say, I want 500.
And then I go, whoa, whoa, that's crazy!
And then you go, well, 500's my number.
And then I say, I can't do that.
And you go, okay, fine.
What if we do three?
No, no, three's still nuts.
Well, now you're getting me down a lot, bro.
Will we do 250?
Alright, $2.50.
The big ask is you ask for way more than you want so you negotiate down to where you really want to be.
It's simple.
All we have to do is have someone campaign on forced abortion.
That way everyone freaks out.
luke rudkowski
The China policy.
Ted Turner liked that one.
So did Bill Gates' dad, who was connected to Planned Parenthood.
Again, there's so much to talk about.
But that's not a policy that's too absurd, Tim.
That's a policy that many people have argued for.
tim pool
They're doing it right now in China, in the Uyghur camps.
Well, you know what everyone needs to realize?
Because someone brought this up.
They said that viability is actually, you know, getting, like at 15 weeks there's been a case where a child, you know, a 15-week fetus has survived.
And so with modern technology, eventually abortion will be made illegal because a fertilized egg will be viable in right technological settings.
Think about what that means when it comes to transhumanism.
These arguments are going to get crazier and crazier.
We don't even know.
Because when we talk about forced medical procedures, like government mandates, I brought up earlier today, and I have to, it's Star Trek, when I think it was Data talking to Geordi La Forge.
For those that aren't familiar, Data is an android.
He's a robot.
I mean, he's superior, he's stronger, he's faster, he doesn't sleep.
And Geordi has cybernetic eyes.
He's blind.
So he has a prosthetic visor he wears that gives him enhanced vision.
And he's asked, I think it's by date, I could be, it's been a long time since I saw the episode, but he's asked, you know, are your eyes superior to a regular human's eyes?
And he says, well, yeah, he's like, I can see x-rays, infrared.
And then he says, then why is it not mandatory for all humans to have those implanted in them?
And it's like, well, because people, you know, have individual autonomous rights.
When we get into the policy where it's like, the COVID vaccine is going to keep you safe and keep others safe, so you have to get it.
And I'm like, yeah, so we're wearing a bulletproof vest 24-7.
Are you going to mandate that?
ian crossland
Yeah.
As we develop technology, viability could become like a day.
You could have an egg and a sperm meat and they're like, we have the technology to now gestate this in a machine.
And then it's going to be like, citizen, you are required to deposit your sperm as per government regulation.
luke rudkowski
They're doing that in China.
They have sperm catching machines at hospitals that literally men walk up to and they have a huge population.
What?
tim pool
Someone corrected me.
It was Data and Picard.
No, this is important.
I'm sorry, Luke.
It's the episode.
I think it's called Make of a Man.
Where the philosophy of the show is brilliant.
Data is an android, and they're questioning whether or not he has human rights, whether or not he's worthy of civil rights, or he's just a washing machine, or he's just a computer.
And so he says to Picard, he's like, are Geordi's eyes not superior to human eyes?
And he's like, well, yes.
And he's like, then why is it not mandatory?
Making an important point about bodily autonomy.
luke rudkowski
I would argue that Chinese man-sucking machines are a lot more important than this kind of nerd talk, personally, myself.
That's what me and Ian were just talking about.
We have a population crisis and the Chinese have literally developed man-sucking machines that take out the sperm and they're building databases on women and fertility in Beijing.
It's absolutely crazy what's happening in China because of that one-child policy that has absolutely really messed things up socially in China.
But that's a whole other topic.
tim pool
All right.
unidentified
It's a good one.
tim pool
Let's take Super Chats.
If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, and go to TimCast.com, become a member.
We're going to have a members-only segment coming up around 11 or so p.m., but let's read some of these Super Chats.
And Josh Martina says, for goodness sake, Tim, that a single pro-life person has ever said you should have to petition the government to get an abortion.
Not ever.
Well, let me ask you, Lydia, would there ever be a circumstance in which abortion is allowed under your ideal system?
lydia smith
Yeah, actually there is one instance in which abortion should be a possibility, and Seamus disagrees with me on this.
I think, and this is what my parents thought as well, they were even way more conservative than I am, if it threatens the life of the mother.
That's it.
tim pool
That's the reason.
And so if it's illegal in all other contexts, how does the mother get that abortion performed?
lydia smith
There's an exception?
I don't know.
tim pool
So will the doctor just be like, I've decided there's an exception and we're going to do it?
Or will the doctor have to get approval from the government?
lydia smith
Yeah, so typically I would imagine that would be more than one doctor would need to confirm that this is actually the case.
Like she had an ectopic pregnancy and then from there on they would be like, they would I don't know.
I don't know if they'd have to go to the government.
It might be like a county or state thing where they'd need to submit a request and then go through and figure out what to do.
tim pool
I think it's entirely possible to argue it's just three separate doctors from three separate practices.
You know, three independent, you know, are confirmed by an arbiter.
An arbiter, there has to be an external party is the issue.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Someone else because you could have three doctors who collude and be like we'll work together and just claim the same thing and no one can stop us.
So you would need a third party in which case who appoints the third party and regulates them.
My issue is I don't see a way this is this is accomplished unless there is government regulation directly involved and someone working at the behest to be the arbiter.
lydia smith
Right.
I don't like the idea.
I do think there needs to be some level of organization like that.
And this is making me wonder if there's any other kind of procedure that they do in hospital.
I know I worked in a hospital, but I didn't work in administration.
So I don't know if there are other procedures that you have to ask the government if you can do something.
That would be interesting to look into.
I'll have to check that out.
tim pool
I mean, maybe it really is just the compromise of, we recognize some doctors might collude, but we accept it as reality.
In which case, there doesn't need to be government involvement, there just needs to be three doctors who confirm and agree.
But then, man, there's still the challenge of the individual who says, this is not an issue of irresponsibility or choice, I am being forced to carry another life against my will.
lydia smith
I think that at the end of the day, one of the nuances we need to look at is the fact that we're not going to be able to make a perfect system, unfortunately.
And I think that's just something we're going to have to live with, unfortunately.
tim pool
You know, maybe what we do is we just create Ultron.
The way to bring about peace in a perfect system and to end all human strife is to end humans.
Like Bender says in Futurama, you know?
luke rudkowski
I think Bill Gates would agree with that.
tim pool
Bill Gates is watching Futurama and he watches Bender go kill all humans and he goes, heh heh, I like this guy.
The coaster guy says, bold of them to assume the military would run it well.
I was vaccinated through my job in the guard.
They lost my records twice and then reprimanded me for not being vaccinated.
Wow.
I love people who just believe that the government can run things properly.
Obviously.
These leftists who are like, we want universal health care.
And it's like, imagine the DMV regulating your health care.
ian crossland
It was like Kramer.
It was like, we'll get the military to do it.
Come on, dude, have you seen the way they administrate stuff?
He probably hasn't.
luke rudkowski
Have you been to the DMV?
lydia smith
Yes, seriously.
tim pool
Oh, man.
Known for its... You know, I gotta be honest, the DMVs out here in West Virginia are pretty good.
They're fast.
It's population density that really, really messes things up.
You get in these cities.
In New York, it was a disaster.
I bought a moped and I called and I'm like, does this have to be registered?
They said, yes.
And I said, how do I do it?
And they were like, just bring in the bill of sale, the receipt, bring it to the DMV, we'll take care of you.
And I went in there and not a single person understood how to deal with it.
They were all confused and they were all asking each other and then eventually they were like, we can't do it.
And then I was like, then how do I ride my bike without a plate?
And they were like, uh, you can't.
And I'm like, well, it sounds like a you problem.
And they were like, can't help you, sir.
And so I was like, okay, great.
Thanks, government.
Now I got to deal with cops who are going to be like, I don't care why.
The law is the law is.
So like basically mopeds are illegal.
They're not, by the way.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
How did you resolve that?
tim pool
I rode my bike without a license plate.
ian crossland
Did you ever end up getting one?
tim pool
Uh, no.
ian crossland
Dang, that's a guy.
tim pool
Yeah, well, so the problem was, I think, I don't know the exact words of the law, but because of the pedals, that arguably it was a gray zone.
And so I was like, look, if the DMV tells me there's no way to register it, and they can't, and it's not illegal, then I'm like, okay, then I guess I'll just ride it.
ian crossland
So there are pedals on it.
So they were like, it's not a motorcycle.
tim pool
They told me they did not know how to register it and didn't think it could be done.
And thus, they didn't think it was regulated under, you know, those laws or whatever.
And I was like, I'm pretty sure it is and I have to do it.
And they were like, well, we don't and we can't, so we think you're fine.
And I was like, I never got pulled over.
ian crossland
Did it smell like baby diapers in there when you were in there?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Those really, really deep inner city DMVs tend to smell like baby diapers.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
Da Bob says, FB is allowing Rittenhouse praise and discussion.
I wonder if they'll remove my rolling suspensions for sharing memes.
30 days plus 30 days plus 30 days each.
Yeah, man.
unidentified
All right.
luke rudkowski
You think that's bad?
Wait till the metaverse hits.
tim pool
You know, I'll briefly mention this too because someone mentioned Lauren Boebert.
I think she very poorly handled the Ilhan Omar thing.
I think like, dude, you made a joke.
That's it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And like Nancy Pelosi is like, she's screaming.
I would be the worst member of Congress ever if I was ever in there.
Cause I'd make jokes all the time.
And then they were like, apologize.
I'd be like, ignore it and moving on.
And they'd probably kick me out.
They legit would kick me out.
Like I wouldn't dress up.
I tell him to shove off.
I don't know.
I think Lauren shouldn't have apologized.
I think she shouldn't have even tried.
I think she should have been like, Hey, hi.
I told the joke at it.
You know, yeah, I know.
Eric A says there's a clip from 10 years ago of Jim Cramer talking about things he would do to manipulate the market when he was a hedgie.
Said it required someone to enforce the rules.
Felt like I had to take a shower after watching it.
unidentified
Ugh.
tim pool
You see that hedge fund billionaire who said there's going to be a civil war?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Yeah, he's worth $20 billion.
And he said in the next five years, there's a 30% chance of a civil war-like conflict in the United States.
lydia smith
Seems higher than that, but okay.
unidentified
Huh.
tim pool
He makes his money off of predictions. Literally, that's what Forbes said.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
He places investments in bets and then makes money off of them.
He's one of the most successful guys doing it, and he thinks a civil war is coming.
lydia smith
Oh boy.
tim pool
What a crackpot! The stupidest thing ever. There's no reason for people to fight.
I'm gonna say it.
In the Civil War, the American Civil War, there was a strong moral issue.
The North despised slavery.
It was moral.
The South, it was an issue strongly of convenience for them and state rights, but they didn't view it as a moral repugnancy.
They were just like, hey, we can do what we want.
People in the North were legit like, I will storm my way into your state and literally kill people to stop slavery.
There were a lot of abolitionists who were like morally driven.
The issue of abortion.
Let's say come June 2020, the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade.
All the red states ban abortion, all the blue states don't.
People in the red states, for the most part, those that are pro-life, have a strong moral position.
It is wrong and it must be stopped.
But the pro-abortion people and many of the pro-choicers are basically just like, as a matter of convenience, I don't know, I think it should be allowed, but whatever.
There's no, in my opinion, there's very few people who would storm into red states demanding abortion facilities be opened.
In which case, I think it's entirely possible that abortion is a key issue which could trigger very serious civil conflict.
ian crossland
I would imagine it would be government overreach for COVID regulations if anything was going to spark physical violent conflict.
That it would be people kicking doors down, trying to force-inoculate people.
I can't take my guns.
rav arora
Or mandating like the third shot or the fourth shot in schools.
Once you get to that point in a year or two years, then things could start getting really dystopian.
luke rudkowski
A few months.
tim pool
I can agree to a certain extent, but I'm not convinced it'll be rolled out the way you think it'll be.
I don't think they're going to go door to door and pin people down.
ian crossland
Yeah, be too overt.
tim pool
Right.
What's going to happen is they're going to, you know, they're going to create perverse incentives and things like that.
But the issue of abortion is like, I mean, didn't Seamus say this?
That, like, abortion could be one day abolished like slavery and viewed much the same way?
lydia smith
I say the exact same thing.
tim pool
It's a strong moral position.
ian crossland
People are willing to like... It just doesn't seem right to fight and kill to prevent killing.
tim pool
What do you mean?
That's literally what war is.
lydia smith
Every war ever.
ian crossland
I mean, it's one thing to kill the slave master and release the slave, but who are you going to kill to prevent the mother from killing the baby?
The mother?
tim pool
No, you have facilities that operate.
You're just going to burn down a bunch of buildings?
ian crossland
They'll just do it in other buildings.
tim pool
We're talking about war.
We're not talking about insurgency.
ian crossland
Like, who would they kill?
tim pool
It doesn't make sense, though.
ian crossland
To fight to stop abortion.
tim pool
How do you fight to stop slavery?
I mean, what would you do?
Burn a farm down?
Yes, Sherman literally did.
March to the sea, burning down cities and farms.
ian crossland
They had to remove the slave owners from power.
tim pool
So exactly.
So you want to stop abortion?
What would people do?
They would target doctors and facilities and destroy them.
And of course, slaves still existed in the Civil War.
They had to send the Union soldiers down to Texas.
And that's what Juneteenth was about.
It took like three years to finally pick, hey, you're not supposed to be doing this.
They still did.
I'm saying, I'm not saying it's right or wrong or whatever your opinion is, I'm just saying, the pro-life people have a strong moral position.
They say this must be not allowed.
And the people who are on the side of pro-choice and pro-life, I'm sorry, pro-choice and pro-abortion, are not that morally convicted to it.
ian crossland
That's for sure.
unidentified
Right.
rav arora
It's just a matter of priorities, I think.
Freedom, or safety, or life.
Other people, like people, have different values, and so they have different decisions on these complex issues.
ian crossland
I'd like to hear from someone that experienced the Roe vs. Wade phenomenon, went through it as a female.
rav arora
That would be interesting.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got Bugga Off.
He says, What do we call it when someone tries to force something inside of someone else, even by coercion?
luke rudkowski
The Harvey Weinstein.
ian crossland
Insertion.
tim pool
Forceful insertion.
We call it an international arrival bungalow.
Tara Anne Simmons says, isn't this all a part of the Great Reset?
I believe so!
Seems like it.
Yeah, I think they're doing the rat experiment on us.
And I mean that somewhat facetiously.
I just think... No, no, they are.
I don't know if it's as intentional as I think it's...
I really don't believe there's a grand nucleus controlling everything, but I believe the circumstances we're in will result in the same outcome.
I don't know if it's relevant to be like, here's who I think is doing something.
It's happening regardless.
We're under lockdown.
We all freak out.
Everyone loses their minds.
They lift the lockdown.
Everyone goes, oh, thank heavens.
And now they're like, lockdown again, but this time 10 times longer.
And people are going to be like, ooh, we'll get out of it soon.
I love the South Park episode.
I didn't see it.
Have you guys seen it?
lydia smith
I saw part of it tonight.
luke rudkowski
I did.
It pretty much pokes fun at the Great Reset.
It's amazing.
tim pool
It's incredible.
They're all adults.
luke rudkowski
Children taken over by VR.
There's Chinese symbols everywhere.
There's people eating bugs.
Meat is banned.
I love that South Park special.
It was good.
tim pool
And it was like 40 years later and COVID finally ends.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, no, no, no.
Finally, finally, just finally stops being relevant in everyone's adults.
All the, you know, all the four main children characters are all old and Cartman is, he's a rabbi.
tim pool
Kyle's a rabbi?
luke rudkowski
No, no, not Kyle.
Cartman.
lydia smith
Cartman's a rabbi.
tim pool
All right, I'll definitely watch that.
luke rudkowski
You have to.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Mark Sermon says, true journalism criteria.
All sources are linked, no ads beyond self-promotion, based on primary sources, not other articles, tweets, etc.
I think that's high tier.
I think you can do journalism, but I do think sources should be linked.
I think ads are fine, to be completely honest.
And I think based on primary sources is, I would say, 9 out of 10.
9 out of 10.
There may be some circumstances where you have additional input, but 99.9% of the time, I think, primary sources.
And that's because I don't want to be completely absolute, but all sources should always be linked.
And the challenge there is when you have unnamed sources.
I'm not a big fan.
I'm not a big fan.
But if you have the trust, I guess.
I've had unnamed sources before, so it is what it is.
Yeah, there's a clip from that Gunner guy, Michael Gunner in Northern Territories, who's like, if you oppose vaccine mandates, you're anti-vax, absolutely, and I will not!
It was a huge black pill rep American freedom Yeah, there was that there's a clip from that gunner guy
Michael Gunner and North Northern Territories Who's like if you oppose vaccine mandates your anti-vax?
unidentified
Absolutely, and I will not and I'm like man that guy is insane
rav arora
the most Scary thing about that is that he is right technically as
per the new dictionary definition Is that anti-vaxxer now means being against mandates or
luke rudkowski
giving aid?
comfort or support to people who are anti-lockdown.
rav arora
Yeah, if you look at the actual like polls, by the way, like Americans who are actually anti-vax It's like 5% or 8% It's very very small But now you're gonna have like a much bigger group of now anti-vax like 20-30% or whatever it is that actually oppose mandates or maybe more than that Ben D says, you hear Baldwin says he never pulled the trigger.
tim pool
Oh man.
Should we talk about that?
ian crossland
We talked about it a little bit before the show.
Yeah.
tim pool
He's lying.
lydia smith
It's a liar.
ian crossland
There might be a kind of gun that goes off just from pulling the hammer back and letting it go.
luke rudkowski
There's a possibility for that as well.
tim pool
Well, that's a, that's a malfunction.
He has a single action revolver.
You pull the hammer, the, the, the, you know, the cylinder spins and then the trigger is ready to be pulled.
I think, you know, it may be possible that Alec Baldwin doesn't understand when you pull the hammer back, the trigger goes back.
And so he didn't realize that it's like, it's like a hair trigger.
It's like you tap it.
And, uh, the other question is, um, uh, you didn't pull the trigger, but you pulled the hammer and pointed it at this woman and the gun went off.
It's like, bro, I don't, I don't care if you did or didn't, whatever you believe.
Like you pulled out a gun, you pointed at a person, you pulled the hammer back.
It went off.
Somebody died.
ian crossland
And when trauma goes down, people's memories sometimes blacks out, so he might not remember pulling the trigger.
tim pool
Or he's just saying what he has to say.
ian crossland
He doesn't want to go to prison.
tim pool
Yeah, he was crying.
Like, he was legit crying.
His eyes were all puffy.
It was bad.
Alright, let's see.
We got Talon's Andrew.
You know what I think people should do?
I think just get all your buddies who work in that field and just start your own factory, man.
workers need help fighting back, please help get the word out. We have a petition on change
titled Save Semiconductors. You know what I think people should do? I think just get
all your buddies who work in that field and just start your own factory, man. I mean,
Not gonna be easy, but start small and just start working on it.
ian crossland
I'm down.
tim pool
If it's possible.
I'm not saying it is.
ian crossland
Graphene semiconductors?
Definitely possible.
tim pool
But let's just create that parallel economy they want so dear.
ian crossland
You guys want to make some turbostatic graphene with me?
unidentified
There you go.
ian crossland
Make superconductors?
tim pool
A user named Emmanuel Goldstein says, are we going to address the elephant in the room that Trump was on the Lolita Express?
And as I stated, as per Mr. Bill Gates, if you're a wealthy elite and you are flying on the Lolita Express, and it's called the Lolita Express, I can only assume you're doing one thing, and that goes for Trump, same as it goes for anybody else.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I made a video theorizing what happened to Trump and Epstein on my Luke Uncensored video.
Uh, but I think, you know, I think, you know, it's an extortion operation.
It wouldn't surprise me if Trump was caught up in the extortion part.
tim pool
And come on, like the way Trump talks about women paying, what'd he pay?
A hundred grand for a Starmie Daniels?
He gets invited to the silent team as anybody else.
luke rudkowski
That's a bad business deal.
And he wrote the art of the deal.
I mean, come on.
ian crossland
Someone else wrote it.
I think he put his name on it.
rav arora
I mean, maybe $10,000, but $100,000?
tim pool
But hold on.
I mean, what's the guy worth?
He's a billionaire.
He probably pulled out a random wad of cash, and he's like, oh, I got $150,000 on me.
I'll give you $100,000.
ian crossland
It costs him like $10,000 just to count the money in hours that he's losing in time.
tim pool
Yeah, he probably just threw a wad of cash.
ian crossland
$10,000 a minute or something.
tim pool
But yeah, we heard reports in the Maxwell trial that Trump was very much flying.
And the pilot, I believe, called Trump Epstein's wingman, saying that it was, yeah, with young ladies and all that stuff, Trump gets no special treatment from me.
If Bill Gates is on the plane and we're gonna call him out, I'd love to pull up a video of Trump stuttering and stammering.
If he does, you know, what did Trump say about Maxwell?
luke rudkowski
He wishes her well for her trial.
Which is an odd comment.
tim pool
Yep.
AskDummy says, might sound too silly, but to be honest, I think the medium of air is up for grabs.
Really?
Meaning, who has legal responsibility over the quality of air in my lungs now?
Or, say at work, is my respiratory system an extension of my 400 pound co-worker who just eats all day?
ian crossland
Yeah, there's something really gross about sitting next to some disgusting person that's not taking care of themselves.
unidentified
Bro.
ian crossland
Just smelling up the room.
tim pool
I was on a plane once and it was, what were we on?
We were like on an Embraer, a CRJ.
So they're not very big.
They only have two seats on each side.
And so it's one dude and he was probably 300 something, 400 pounds.
And the lady comes by with the food cart where they sell stuff.
They have the snack box, they have the sandwiches.
And she looks over at me and she's just like, would you like to buy any food?
And I was like, oh, I'm good.
And the guy next to me goes, yeah, I'll have the poor boy.
And she's like, okay, I'll also have another poor boy.
I'll take two snack boxes.
Do you have chips?
I'll take two bags of those.
Do you have anything to drink?
I'll take three Pepsis.
Yes, three.
Okay, thank you.
You don't have to open them.
And also, do you have the nut package?
I'll take another snack box.
I'm not exaggerating.
I was sitting there like, whoa.
unidentified
And the dude, I'm like, you're flying in the wrong class, man.
Yeah, seriously.
tim pool
This was a long time ago.
The good old days.
You can't always get first class because of availability, but I'd often get upgraded, and then you're sitting in the bigger seat.
Now, it's like, if I have to fly, it's gotta be first class, mainly because I work morning show, night show, and then we had to wake up, when we flew to Austin, it was like, wake up Saturday, first thing.
I'm like, dude, my head will literally fall off if I'm dealing with the stress of sitting in coach and having to deal with that kind of nightmare.
Oh, people need to understand this.
First class exists for a reason.
lydia smith
True.
tim pool
If you're flying just like one time and you're going on vacation, I've flown coach hundreds, thousands of times.
No joke, thousands.
No problem.
But when I had to fly when I was working for these companies like twice a week, I was like, yo, I literally can't handle flying.
I would fly in on a morning and then fly out at night.
And I'm like, please spare me dealing with this.
And so that's why they have the rewards program.
So typically, I'd fly first class because I was like an elite member.
I'd flown so much.
These days, I have like the special, you know, I still have the special account or whatever, so I don't gotta worry about it.
I have like a million frequent flyer miles.
All right.
Mason Wolfie says, $20 says federal military enforcement leads to separation of states and the activation of militia groups throughout the U.S.
Not saying it will, just a guess.
I think abortion's gonna play a big role in this.
I really do.
unidentified
I think so.
tim pool
To be honest.
ian crossland
I'm not feeling that.
tim pool
You don't think so?
ian crossland
No, I look at how they said what was Oklahoma's National Guard, they were going to turn it into a militia.
That, to me, is federal government saying, we are basically renouncing our authority over you, Oklahoma.
If you're going to start doing that to states, states are not going to take your laws very seriously.
tim pool
Ben H says Trump did not focus on prison reform with the FIRST STEP Act.
The goal is to reduce unnecessarily long prison sentences, improve conditions in prisons, and enact post-prison rehabilitation programs.
ian crossland
I love it.
tim pool
did focus on prison reform with the first EPACT.
Reduce unnecessarily long prison sentences, improve conditions in prisons,
and enact post-prison rehabilitation programs.
I love it. It's fantastic.
rav arora
Yeah, he released so many people that were in prison for like decades and they came out
and they were so happy and so grateful.
And I think the programs to actually help rehabilitate Like not just like let them off on the streets and then commit crimes again.
We know recidivism rates are so so high.
The people who recommit crimes like 60-70%.
So like actually giving people programs where they can educate themselves or acquire skills to apply them in trades like plumbing or electrician or whatever it is.
luke rudkowski
That's very very important.
Now do Julian Assange.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe you're right.
Maybe what we should do is at the first sign of any potential crime, we put you in solitary for the rest of your life.
lydia smith
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
Just instantly, without trial.
You ever see Judge Dredd?
You ever read it?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, they're judge, jury, and executioner right there on the street.
It's faster, it's easier.
lydia smith
Very fast.
tim pool
It's actually a really interesting concept, too.
We were talking to Andrew Branca of the Law of Self-Defense, and he was just talking about how there's too many criminals for the courts to effectively deal with them.
My response is like, that's too bad for the state.
If they don't have the time to give a hearing, release them.
It is better that ten guilty persons go free than one innocent person suffer.
From that idea, though, you end up with someone writing Judge Dredd.
Well, because there's too many criminals, make the judge and the cop and the jury one person who can go out and judge people.
It's a cool sci-fi concept.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
It's a little like and what's his name?
tim pool
Well, they did the new one with oh with Carl Urban.
ian crossland
No, I haven't seen that.
tim pool
Yeah, I think yeah.
Yeah, that was Sylvester Stallone.
ian crossland
It was a little cheesy.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely got potential.
I like the concept and flying cars.
tim pool
Yep, just straight up killing people.
I don't know, man.
It's an interesting concept as to the, you know, congestion.
Not something we want to happen.
ian crossland
I would like to see webcams more utilized in prison.
And maybe for people that have an interest in learning a trade, they could do it on the internet and take classes every day.
And then you could have like prison guards watch them.
luke rudkowski
Just don't leave James Comey's daughter in charge of that project.
tim pool
You know, we should talk about Wyatt Anderson says Tim and crew, if the second Civil War happens, would you fight or
be a war correspondence? I mean, neither.
I mean, I guess we would keep doing the show.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know why that would change.
Unless YouTube was like, oh, your opinions are bad and we're in a civil war so they delete us or something.
We'd probably just keep, you know, doing the show.
I think we should definitely talk a little bit about this because I think it was Slate wrote an article saying, which side are you on?
The second civil war is coming.
And they were like, we're not saying it's a guarantee, but who will, which side, it's time to choose.
Like it's, it was a crazy article.
And it showed like a proud boy with a mask on or something.
And I'm like, man, you're crazy.
luke rudkowski
Information is key during war.
And that's why through, before many wars start, all dissemination of information is usually centralized by the state.
So if there was a conflict, I don't think there would be things like YouTube and open debate and discussions.
I think all of that would be out the window immediately.
tim pool
Salon wrote it.
In the coming second American Civil War, which side are you on?
lydia smith
I think that's so reductionary because I don't think they're just going to be two sides.
tim pool
Right.
luke rudkowski
Look at the photo that they decided to put up with this.
lydia smith
Oh, wonderful.
ian crossland
I think it looks like Bane.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But like America Bane.
lydia smith
I like it though.
I like it.
luke rudkowski
Does he have a shield?
Can we scroll down a little bit?
tim pool
He does have a shield though.
So yeah, man, you know what I think?
I think we'll talk about that in the... We'll talk about the member segment.
We'll get into a lot of that stuff.
And we'll just read one more here.
Mark B says, why no comparisons of the vaccine mandates to the number of the beast?
It is here.
Uh, we've, we've talked about that.
We talked about how it says that, are you familiar with, uh, was it Revelation?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Revelation.
ian crossland
Yeah, Revelation, singular.
tim pool
Is it, it's singular?
lydia smith
I think so.
rav arora
Uh, it's- Oh, right, yeah, I've heard about it, yeah.
tim pool
The Mark of the Beast, you would not be able to buy, sell, or trade unless you had the Mark of the Beast.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
I didn't know that.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And then someone superchatted it to us and I was like, what?
The Bible wouldn't talk about trading or selling?
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
tim pool
Like, in that context, that's weird.
lydia smith
Well, yeah.
tim pool
I know, like, I didn't realize that.
The Mark of the Beast was just like a sign you were a member or something.
unidentified
And then I read it and I was like, oh, yo, that's crazy.
ian crossland
I err on the side these days that interests are using the story of the Bible and Revelation and then making it happen as opposed to like, it was going to happen all along.
That's where I'm at now.
tim pool
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Rav, you want to shout anything out?
rav arora
Yeah, I just started a substack to write about psychedelics, meditation, spirituality.
Ravarora.substack.com.
I'm trying to get more and more subscribers so I can write about my experiences on MDMA, DMT, psilocybin coming up in the next six months and hopefully share with readers these experiences so that they can have their own.
tim pool
We'll talk about that too in the member center.
luke rudkowski
Ian's ears sparked up, by the way.
ian crossland
Most of it, yeah.
I've only puffed on DMT.
I've never gone broken through yet.
Well, we'll talk about that.
tim pool
There's a lot of interesting discussions we could have about that.
I don't want to give people DMT blue balls.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Tune in for the full experience.
luke rudkowski
I never thought I would ever hear that in my life.
I also have my own YouTube channel.
It's youtube.com forward slash we are change.
I was translating German again today.
I had a lot of fun with it.
People really enjoyed it.
It was absolutely bonkers and totally facetious.
And if you want to see it again, youtube.com forward slash we are change.
Hope to see some of you guys there.
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
Thank you guys so much for coming.
I'm Ian Crossland.
Check me at iancrossland.net.
If you want to check it, get in touch with my socials.
Catch you later.
lydia smith
Thank you guys for bearing with me and my impassioned arguments about pro-life as I always bring.
If you guys would like to see more of my insane but well-researched arguments against abortion, you are more than welcome to follow me at Sour Patchlets on Twitter.
tim pool
So, a few minutes before the show, I was pulling up on my phone, my Google Drive, and I was talking to some of the people here.
We're working on recording some more music, so we've got some guests here.
And I was like, let me see if I can find some of the recordings I have, maybe I can send you.
And so I went to my Google Drive and I searched for music.
And then this music folder pops up and I click it and I see a bunch of names of songs I don't recognize and I'm like, what is this?
I don't know what this is.
And so I look and there's like lyrics and I'm like, what?
I didn't write this.
What is this?
And then there's a video of this like dude with like short brown hair and some like red guitar.
And I was like, what the hell is this?
And I play the video and I don't recognize this guy at all.
And then he starts singing and I'm like, that's Ian!
ian crossland
That's a good song.
That song is hot.
tim pool
Anyway, thanks for hanging out.
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