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Timcast IRL - MSNBC Attempted Jury Tampering, BANNED From Rittenhouse Trial w/Ben Stewart
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tim pool
Today, MSNBC was caught jerry tampering.
Now, fortunately, it was attempted jury tampering, but apparently an MSNBC producer was trailing the jury bus, blowing through a streetlight to try and keep up with them.
And, of course, they come out and they say, this is a normal process.
They were just trying to get in touch with the jurors so they could interview them after the verdict.
Right.
The judge banned MSNBC from the building.
lydia smith
Good.
tim pool
Now, this producer that was named is an NBC producer, so there's, you know, of course, overlap, but this may be one of the most serious... I don't know how you just...
Acts of aggression?
What do you want to call it?
Attempts to interfere?
Grave constitutional violations?
November 9th, I believe it was, Fox News, everyone reported.
I mean, I was watching the trial.
The judge said someone tried to film the jury at the bus pickup.
We will change protocol.
It won't happen again.
So don't tell me these MSNBC producers did not know what they were doing was in violation of the judge's rules and, I believe, criminal.
Some have reported it was a felony to try and do what they did.
We have more evidence.
This story gets crazy.
I believe I have a case to present to you.
That ADA Krause tampered with evidence to cheat because they knew they would lose.
I believe I can spell it out for you very clearly now.
That being said, I'm not going to claim it's definitive, but I can show you the evidence.
He has software in his computer for cropping and for formatting.
I believe he got the footage himself from Tucker Carlson's show, cropped out the Fox News graphic, compressed it to give the defense a version they could not form an argument around, and then he got caught.
Now, maybe it's speculative, but wait till we show you the transcript and you see what he said.
I believe he outed himself and he got caught.
Will the judge declare a mistrial with prejudice?
Will he declare a mistrial?
He could rule on either because both motions have been raised.
He said a day of reckoning.
He said I warned you a day of reckoning would come over this video.
But we'll wait to see what the jury says.
Now if the jury comes back with not guilty, it's moot.
But some rumors are circulating that it's a 6-6 hung jury.
That they're not in agreement.
Guilty and not guilty right in the middle.
And so what will the judge do?
I don't know, but this is a travesty of justice.
So we'll go through that.
We've got some other stories to talk about.
The National Guard in Oklahoma.
Refusing the vaccine and being threatened to be disbanded effectively.
They would be kicked out of the National Guard and they would just become militia.
Apparently that's what the Pentagon said, but we'll get into all that stuff.
Joining us to talk about all of this stuff today is filmmaker Ben Stewart.
benjamin stewart
Good to be back.
This is my third time.
Go to benjosephstewart.com and look me up on YouTube, Ben Stewart.
Got a lot of really good news, and I have to say that I listen to The Daily Show every day, Tim.
I get some really good stuff from there.
tim pool
Oh, I appreciate it, man.
benjamin stewart
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Well, glad to have you back.
It's always a pleasure.
We did that first episode on the fourth turning and going through the book and everything, so we might get into that stuff again as well, because that's a very crazy topic, especially with how crazy everything's getting.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We got Luke chillin'?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, last year I was here.
I was like, you guys gotta get Ben in here.
It's good to see, finally, you here three times now.
Finally, I'm here when you're here, so I'm really happy about that.
Me and Ben go back all the way back to 2010.
That's right.
And yeah, it's great to see you.
And today, I am wearing a shirt that is highlighting a fresh pack of dopamine-addicting, doctor-recommended, modern-day pack of cigarettes with Big Tech, of course, representing the cigarettes individually put in there.
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And because you do, I'm here.
Thanks for having me.
benjamin stewart
Hoping when they're young.
ian crossland
You know, it feels like a hurricane went through here the last few days, and now we're like sitting in the calm.
luke rudkowski
It's silent.
tim pool
It is silent, you know?
lydia smith
It's weird.
ian crossland
It's like the ghost of Alex and Rogan still.
tim pool
They're still alive.
ian crossland
Yes, yes.
Thank you guys.
tim pool
To be honest, we had a million and one people trying to, you know, we want to come, I want to come.
And I was like, I think we need to just have a calmer single guest like we would normally do.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
This Austin trip's been fantastic.
But, you know, we're going to have two people on tomorrow, so it'll be a big show again.
But it's been a blast here.
We got Lydia pressing the buttons.
lydia smith
Thank you guys for joining me in the kitchen once again as we're chilling in Austin.
This is a really cool city.
We did some really fun stuff about to post to my Instagram.
It was incredible.
This is such a fun city and I'm so glad we're here.
Let's get started.
tim pool
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Let's get into that first story, and this, my friends, is a doozy.
From the New York Post, MSNBC banned from Kyle Rittenhouse trial after producer accused of following jurors.
Accused!
The police caught the person and took them into custody, issued them traffic citations.
This person following the jury bus from the Rittenhouse trial blew a stoplight to try and keep up with them.
That's crazy, huh?
unidentified
Dang.
tim pool
Let's read a little bit.
They say, the man who identified himself as James Morrison was pulled over Wednesday after he allegedly blew a red light while pursuing a bus to transport jurors.
He stated he had been instructed by a superior in New York to follow the jury bus.
Now we have the name, I'm not going to say the name of this producer because we have no evidence the producer was actually doing anything and a lot of people are accusing this producer of malintent.
I can tell you this.
The police said this guy was doing this thing.
He may have just tried throwing a producer under the bus by being like, Oh, it's my boss.
My boss made me do it.
I don't have evidence of that, but I can say the producer in question purged their social media across the board.
I watched it happen in real time.
That could just be because people are piling on because the judge said their names.
I don't think the judge should have to be completely honest.
I think the judge should have called out this guy, but I'll tell you this.
MSNBC knew, NBC knew, that this was jury tampering.
The judge had already warned about filming the jury.
The police said they believed the man was trying to photograph jurors.
And now it gets worse.
The judge says the bus is blacked out, so they can't see in or out the jurors.
You know how bad that is?
That's not a good thing.
And he said it was because we don't want the jurors to see anything from either side.
How thick do you think the wall of a bus is?
A millimeter?
Of steel?
When that bus drives past the courthouse to screaming, to bullhorning, those jurors can hear it all.
You can block the light, but you can't block the sound.
And the bus goes by and everybody knows.
You mean to tell me that you blacked out the bus so they couldn't see?
People got bullhorns.
These people are being brought into the courtroom under this guard because of these protests.
Two people got arrested for fighting.
A dude got arrested for having a knife.
These jurors know it.
Jury tampering, in my opinion, it's here.
Now the craziest bit of this?
MSNBC.
Corporate actors.
This is, I mean, what would you describe this as?
It's not activism, it's work.
It's crazier than that.
luke rudkowski
Mike Cernovich wrote about this today and he said MSNBC crossed state lines to jury tamper.
And I think there's a case to be made here especially with ... how biased MSNBC has been about this entire case I mean ... Joy Reid was just on her nationally syndicated television ... show talking about how Kyle crying is just white man tears ... which she doesn't care about she called Kyle Karen she ... compared him to to Kavanaugh.
And and these are people with obviously a bent they ... want a particular outcome in this story so to to think that ... they're innocent here I think is a misnomer we're still ... waiting to find out all the details we don't know exactly ... what was going on here but we do we do.
I mean, as far as like the bigger details, the exact intentions, whether this is going to be criminally charged or not, we don't know that.
But I posted a meme about this today on my Twitter account, and it shows Michael Myers in Halloween with the tagline, MSNBC creeping on jurors.
So, you know, we got to laugh at this thing because it's ridiculous.
And I think, you know, from my own personal view, this was more malicious than it was investigative journalism.
tim pool
Investigating a jury who's being protected from public exposure?
luke rudkowski
Well, that's the other side of the story that they're saying.
tim pool
I think it was last week, we did a segment on this show where I played an MSNBC video where they said, Gage Grosskreutz testified he had his hands up when he was shot.
And then they play a video from the trial of something totally different, of him talking about how he was scared for his life and wanted to be an EMT.
And I'm like, that's not the testimony.
And then we played the video where the defense said, it wasn't until you advanced on Kyle and pointed your gun at him that he shot you.
And he says, yes.
So what the, what was MSNBC talking about?
Then we get people saying, I haven't watched MSNBC to this capacity, but they're like, they show the prosecutor's closing argument and they don't show the defense.
Now, MSNBC was attempting to expose the identities of the jurors.
The police said- Let me show you this.
Kenosha Police Department said, police suspect this person was trying to photograph jurors.
Is this, I'll tell you this, I think it is, but is this a major corporate player, ideologues, cultists, trying to affect the outcome of a trial?
And if so, for what reason?
benjamin stewart
I was just gonna say, like, what if they would've gotten pictures?
Like, what story can they run with?
There's no story.
ian crossland
They probably would've leaked it.
tim pool
Yup.
benjamin stewart
But to what end? What would MSNBC's angle be like, hey, check this out, what's the tagline?
unidentified
Hey, we got some pictures of the jurors.
luke rudkowski
I mean, when I got attacked in Germany by Antifa, it was a mainstream media journalist that took a picture of
me and gave it out to all the Antifa members to come target and attack me.
And then they lied about the entire situation.
So there could be MSNBC journalists.
I mean, they're acting more and more like activists.
So they have a network of activists that work for them that obviously have connections to all
the large organized protests that have been happening all throughout this country.
I'm speculating here.
We have no solid proof or evidence of this.
But it's not far to speculate with just atrocious actions that MSNBC has been taken on the intelligence of the American people with their blasphemy and bullcrap that they've been trying to shove down everyone's throat.
It's ridiculous what they've been saying.
They've been off the rails and they've been more concerned about an agenda, a narrative, rather than of course any kind of even semblance of news reporting because they haven't been doing any of that.
And I think that's a fair argument to make here with everything that's going on here.
And it's just it's just ridiculous some people are ... saying that this is clear obstruction of justice some ... people are saying that they wanted to the jury to know ... that they're watching them some people say that they ... wanted the jury know that they have their identities who ... knows but but either way this stinks to high heaven we're ... going to find out later down the line what's going to ... happen here I'm just speculating.
ian crossland
I could see them wanting to prep a story like, meet the jurors from the Kyle Rittenhouse, and they have all of them already planned, and they already know who each of them are, and they find out what about.
And then they're just willing to throw this reporter under the bus.
So what's worse is gonna happen?
We're gonna get sued for 10 million bucks if we get found out?
So what?
tim pool
Or this guy will go to prison for a felony, and they're like, we don't care, we can do it.
Throw him under the bus.
luke rudkowski
They're probably not gonna even cover his lawyer fees.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
Yeah, probably not.
They've already said I think it was like a rogue producer.
They're trying to claim like... So this was crazy.
When the story broke, the police said a man alleging to be with a national outlet.
All of a sudden... You know, I'm watching the live stream for the trial, and it's just nothing.
It's just the emblem, right?
Then all of a sudden, the sound turns on, the judge steps up, and I'm like, this could be a verdict!
What is this?
And the judge said, here's what happened.
Claiming to be with MSNBC.
Now, I didn't know if that was true, because I was like, guys.
You know, I tweeted, for all we know, this is Antifa pretending to be a reporter, and knowing someone's name, and throwing them under the bus, trying to escape the cops.
Like, let's be chill about this.
A reporter from Court TV said, I know the guy.
Yes, he does work for this organization.
And this is a normal practice.
Sounds to me... I won't give him the benefit of the doubt.
I won't play that game anymore.
You could argue that MSNBC was just like, we're gonna get a scoop and everyone else be damned.
Nah, I'm not gonna buy it.
When MSNBC lies about the testimony of the state witness to make the state look better, When they cut out the defense's arguments.
When Joy Reid goes on her show and says white male tears.
They want to affect the outcome.
The reason those protesters are outside screaming as the bus is coming in to drop off jurors is because of the likes of MSNBC and others like them.
So they definitely want to affect the outcome.
In my opinion, this dude may have been a useful idiot, but I think they were like, get the jurors information.
And you made a great point, Ben.
To what end?
To what story would they do?
They can't.
They can't do a story.
When the show's over, maybe.
And maybe they're hoping they have more information on the jurors than anybody else so they can find them fast.
But either way, If the jury finds out they're being trailed, and they apparently did.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
That's jury intimidation.
Right.
So you think the jurors, after the fact, are gonna be like, oh, that was you who was following us in this landmark trial we're terrified of the outcome of, and making us fear for our lives?
Of course I'll do an interview with you!
benjamin stewart
Let's make a statement.
Why not?
Yeah, I can't, I can't follow, like, you ever hear, like, a dog chasing a car, like, dog doesn't know what he would do if he got the car.
I'm really curious, like, what would they have done if they would have gotten a moment?
ian crossland
I've seen a dog get the car, and what happened was it hit the wheels when the car was going 50 miles an hour and went flying up in the air and was...
benjamin stewart
Good metaphor for what happened to this person in MSNBC.
What good could have come out of it for this guy or for MSNBC?
tim pool
He knew what he was doing.
He knew what he was doing.
benjamin stewart
Of course he did.
lydia smith
This is not about getting a scoop.
How could this be anything other than a form of jury intimidation and obstruction of justice?
tim pool
Regardless of intent, it was jury tampering, obstruction.
I don't know about obstruction of justice.
I think that applies to like law enforcement investigation.
But this regardless of intent, they were tampering with the jury.
benjamin stewart
It's such a huge trial.
I mean, like, biggest of our lifetime.
Menendez Brothers, it didn't fit everything that was going on in the world.
This fits everything that's going on in the world.
And I really feel, I was talking to Lydia beforehand, like, you take a look at this, like, yes, it's, they're making it into something like black versus white, but really, it's somebody, it's the only armed citizenry in the world protecting small businesses during a time where there's an all-out assault on small businesses And really, this is like an iconic, symbolic show of force against anyone who wants to defend small businesses by any means.
tim pool
The race thing really is crazy, too.
And the ideology thing is crazy.
Because I keep seeing the left saying, he showed up in opposition to Black Lives Matter.
And I was like, no one ever said that one time.
The testimony from the state witnesses and the defense was that he rendered aid to the Black Lives Matter protesters.
Sounds like he was there to help them.
But also stop riots, right?
So it's not like he's like, I hate you.
No, he's like, I'm here to help you, but please don't burn anything down.
benjamin stewart
This is unprecedented, though.
I mean, like, I'm trying to think of another time in history, let's just say in the past hundred years, where there have been such violent riots around the country that people in mass had to start calling in local favors and saying, like, could you come and protect our business?
Because Carte Blanche is just being destroyed across the board.
Has that ever happened?
luke rudkowski
Well, in the 90s there was riots in Los Angeles, there was racial riots in New York as well, and then of course in the 60s and 70s there was a lot of riots as well.
So this is not something that's uncommon.
benjamin stewart
Where people brought their own guns to protect small businesses?
luke rudkowski
The rooftop Koreans are of course talked about a lot, especially in the chat room.
tim pool
What went down in the LA riots and why the Koreatown residents took to their rooftops?
The police left.
They were like, what do you expect us to do about it?
I don't know if it was the National Guard or the Army that was brought in, but they formed a perimeter.
And so you have all of these people just being like, we've been abandoned.
Completely.
Yeah, don't be surprised when the state abandons you.
The police aren't going to protect you like we saw in Kenosha.
They will leave.
So what happens?
You know, there's that famous viral moment where the guy was pulled out- I say viral, but this is historical- where he was pulled out of the truck in the LA riots and brutally beaten and stomped on the ground and left, you know, seriously injured.
And then during the George Floyd riots, the BLM riots- the great BLM riots of 2020, Twenty-five people are confirmed to have been dead due to those riots.
Now, if you go by the periphery, like, uh, related incidents around the riots, I believe it goes up to, like, thirty-four?
lydia smith
Thirty-three?
tim pool
Thirty-three, maybe?
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm not sure.
tim pool
And they also found, uh, after a building was burned down and completely destroyed, they didn't realize this, but after they cleared the rubble, they found a body.
Oh, man.
So, you have these stories, and don't be surprised when people come out.
Now the problem is, when someone like Kyle Rittenhouse comes out, he shouldn't have,
and he shouldn't have had to, but the rioters shouldn't have been there, and if the rioters
did, the police should have stopped them, but the police didn't.
This is what ends up happening.
Now the trial for Kyle Rittenhouse, as you mentioned, this is a question of whether or
not regular people have a right to say no to the extremists destroying their neighborhoods.
And as we can see with how Merrick Garland has been handling the AG, how he's been handling
the DOJ as AG, going after parents concerned about critical race theory instead of the
extremists and the riots.
I mean, I think it's fair to say we know who's being protected on this one.
luke rudkowski
Not just going after parents, but using counter-terrorism division members and using threat tags to go after specific parents because they went to a PTA meeting?
That's absolutely absurd and just highlights the insanity of the political persecution that's going after people for their beliefs rather than for their actions.
tim pool
I've got a theory for you guys.
Briefly mentioned it before the show, but for everybody watching, I believe that ADA Krause, in the Rittenhouse trial, manufactured evidence, I should say this, manipulated evidence, provided a weakened version of that evidence to the defense in an effort to disadvantage them, prejudice the jury, and gain a Hail Mary pass, which in fact, has now given them a potential hung jury.
To simplify, Drone footage, they're calling it unicorn evidence, emerges, you know, right in the middle of the trial that the state has.
They present it.
They claim it shows Kyle right now is pointing his weapon at the Zeminskys, provoking Rosenbaum to attack him.
Now, you can't really see much.
Here's what we know is true.
The evidence that they presented was not the same evidence given to the defense.
The defense was provided with a, I believe it was a 212p video, a lower resolution, and apparently a cropped version.
So when the defense is reviewing the video, they say, I can't see anything here.
They're claiming that this shows Rittenhouse pointing the weapon.
The jury will never buy it.
The video is too blurry and grainy.
But then they go to trial, they go into the trial, and the jury is given higher-res video instead.
Now what ends up happening is, the defense didn't notice this.
They crafted their argument around, you can't see anything anyway.
But in the higher-res video, it's easier to see, and then the state made their argument.
The defense was unable to provide a defense because they were not given the evidence.
It wasn't until the judge said, I want to see this.
The defense played their low-res version, and the judge says, what is this?
I can't see anything.
Binger!
One of the prosecutors says, our version is clearer, isn't it?
And Krauss says, yes.
This results in shock among the judge and the defense, saying, what do you mean?
How is yours clearer?
We weren't provided that evidence.
And then Krauss says, no, it's just playing weird.
That line right there is evidence to me he realized, uh-oh, I've been caught.
Now, you may be saying, Tim, that's a wild theory, but I've brought receipts.
I send you now to my Twitter, where I produced a thread.
Now, this is not definitive.
It is just my hypothesis as to what may have occurred.
I think it's possible I'm wrong, because there's some elements here, and I'll explain.
But first, take a look at this.
We have an image from ElectionWiz.
He says, based on the work of John M. Curtis, DeathNotDarth, and ForFearg, it appears the Rittenhouse drone video was a cropped version of the video shown on Tucker Carlson.
So the image I'm presenting now on the screen, for those that are watching, you can see the Tucker Carlson video, and you can see the prosecution's video, and it looks like Someone cropped out Fox News' graphic, creating a strange video.
Now, here's the point I made.
The drone footage presented by the state is in a weird format.
1920 by 844.
What resolution is that?
unidentified
I mean, it's 1080.
tim pool
This appears to be because the full video was manipulated to remove either the graphic or something the state did not want to include.
Now that's me speculating, because I don't know who cropped that video.
They may have received it from somebody else.
But I brought receipts.
I want to say, how did the footage get cropped?
Krause on his laptop has FormatFactory, and I have the source right here included in my tweet.
In the image, you can see FormatFactory.
It's kind of hard to see.
FormatFactory is software that allows you to crop, mix, transcode video, but crop is highlighted on their website.
I point this out.
FormatFactory is not just transcoding, as per their website, it also crops video.
This explains why Krauss had Handbrake and FormatFactory.
Here's the source.
It says, provides audio and video converter, splitter, mixer, crop, and delogo.
Was Krause looking for software that would remove the Fox News graphic, D-Logo, and then decided to crop it instead into a strange format?
That doesn't make sense.
Now, I'm gonna pause for a second and say this.
At any rate, shouldn't this be called into question?
Your Honor, videos aren't recorded in 844p.
This video's been tampered with.
The video should be, if it's 1920, it should be 1920 by 1080.
I'd argue that this has got something cut out and thus should not be used.
Now, they might say, too bad the video shows what it shows, but I think right away there's an issue.
Let's move on.
And I said, now we all know it's a fact, the defense was given a lower res video.
This is not disputed, but it seems ADA Kraus got caught, as per the transcript.
This is a transcript of the moment when the defense realized they were not given the real evidence, in fact, they were given a low res version.
Two things stand out.
Binger says this isn't the same quality as our version, is it?
Sounds like Binger didn't know.
I mean, the dude seems to be rather inept and doesn't know gun safety, but I think from the transcript, he genuinely didn't know.
Krause says, no, our version's much clearer.
Wisco, for the defense, says, I got that from you.
I have the enhanced one, but that is exactly what we got from you.
We got it from Dropbox.
The judge says, so what you're showing me now is, this doesn't show anything.
This is what was provided to the defense?
Richards, on the defense, says yes.
Binger says Mr. Stute is on his way.
This is their tech guy, who's now going to come in and play the high-res version.
Wisco says, I don't know.
That's what we got from Dropbox, so if your version's clear, that means you didn't give us your version.
And Crow says, it's just playing weird.
lydia smith
Holy cow.
tim pool
Wisco says, that's not how it works.
If it truly was a mistake, that somehow, this is what they argued, when they sent the video over email, because they sent it over email, it somehow changed the name of the file and compressed it.
That's not possible.
That doesn't happen.
But Krauss said it's just playing weird.
Why would he say that?
It's just playing weird.
He offered up an excuse to try and placate everybody who realized somebody was manipulating the evidence.
That, to me, is the quote in question.
If Krauss genuinely didn't know this happened, he would have been like, I don't know why it's doing it.
I have no idea what's going on.
Or he would have said nothing.
He was like, I don't know.
Our version seems to be clear.
Something must have gone wrong.
We'll fix it.
I'm sorry.
Instead he says, no, no, no, it's just playing weird.
Check it out.
Not only was the video compressed, the prosecution appears to have provided a cropped version.
Now, there's a potential explanation for this.
In the top video, you can see the car to the left.
In the bottom video, you can see there's much more space behind the car.
The video is cropped.
This could be the result of whoever uploaded this comparison to YouTube, so I don't know for sure.
We do know that 480x2x12 is...
Not the same as 1920x844, and both are strange formats.
There's also an explanation for how it got derezzed.
Some people say that when you put a 1920x844 in email on iPhone, the iPhone will compress it.
Now that may be the case, but there's no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt, and I have more.
They say, the file name that was given to the fence was different.
Okay, now iTunes won't do that.
I'm sorry, not iTunes.
iPhone, well, not iOS.
It has a smaller file size and a different file name.
But what will change a file name?
Compression software, which again, is on Krauss' computer, known as Handbrake, which many people have pointed out, below Format Factory.
Handbrake is transcoding software can render videos easily to other sizes and formats.
Source, from handbrake.fr, they say, it's a tool for converting video from nearly any format to a selection of modern, widely supported codecs.
The original format 1920x1080 somehow got cropped to 1920x844.
It gets further cropped, renamed, and compressed.
So there are potential explanations.
I don't have... That's as far as I go with, you know, presenting my case.
As far as I can... What I'll basically say is, I believe this is probable cause.
I believe I have shown probable cause to believe that ADA Krause tampered with evidence to try and cheat and win and disadvantage the defense and prejudice the jury against the defendant.
I don't know if it's definitive.
I don't know if he actually did these things.
But Handbrake, as many people have described, is in-the-weeds software.
You gotta be, like, to know what that is, because it's fairly obscure.
Format Factory.
To have both.
Cropping software and compression software.
When a video is compressed and cropped, raises a lot of questions.
And for Krauss to say, it's just plain weird.
It was a weird thing to say.
To try to make excuses.
I think we have enough to do this.
The judge has said, he has implied, he wants Krauss to go under oath on the stand.
You did a very good job of compiling and I'm glad you got the images to show there.
will be a reckoning on this software, on this video, I'm sorry. But he's gonna wait for
the jury to come back with their verdict. So we'll see how that plays out. But let me
know what you guys think about that rant I just did on all that evidence. And do you
agree with me?
benjamin stewart
You did a very good job of compiling and I'm glad you got the images to show there. My
only question is, this is a big case, right?
How was none of this checked beforehand?
I mean, as a video guy, I'm curious because I was saying earlier, on an image, to see whether it's been doctored or not, you can check to see how many dates of creation it has on it.
If it only has one date of creation, that means that was the date it was taken and it hasn't been touched since.
How did they not look into that, and why did they go to Tucker Carlson and whatever, like, you know, screen record or something?
tim pool
I don't know if they got it from Tucker Carlson.
Some people have pointed out the video appears to be the same footage that came from Tucker Carlson, but it's cropped.
So what I'm simply saying is, this to me seems plausible, but that's why I said probable cause.
Probable cause is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
I'm just saying all this stuff lines up, and he's got these two specific programs for this.
I'd like to get him under oath and investigate this.
benjamin stewart
You did a great job, and the fact that you're here talking about this, like, this is a huge case.
Beforehand, wouldn't they ask questions like, where did you get this evidence?
I want to investigate to make sure that what you're saying lines up with where this imagery comes from.
unidentified
This is a huge case.
tim pool
Why is the file format a non-standard format?
benjamin stewart
And why are you the first one I'm hearing that from?
tim pool
You know what I mean?
844P.
I mean, when I saw that right away, I was like, huh?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Everyone did last night.
You know I've been doing video editing since I was like 10 or 11 years old.
I started with Flash 4.
So I don't know how old I was.
I was a little kid.
I've had a computer.
I've been doing paintbrush since Windows came out.
I've always had a computer.
I did Flash.
I was doing After Effects.
I started making skate videos in After Effects because I'm a little kid.
I have no idea what he's doing.
And then I started getting into other editing software, making skate videos.
I've been working in video editing my whole life and computers and all that stuff.
I've developed apps.
And I saw this, and I'm like, that's not a normal thing.
Someone sent this, and it's clearly a manipulated video, but the defense is not technologically savvy.
ian crossland
Savvy?
tim pool
Savvy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Right.
A good example is when they were trying to explain algorithmic enlargement, and the defense said they use a 3D AI logarithm to produce and generate, and I was like, It's image interpolation.
You can simply say, I understand what he was trying to say, but it uses a computer program to predict what the image may look like.
It is not an image from the night in question.
Very simply stated.
benjamin stewart
They didn't have a firearms expert.
They didn't have somebody who could speak more clearly to that.
I mean, I'm going to go back to saying this is a huge case.
How much ineptitude Are we seeing here?
Because I'm just shocked that everything that you're breaking down here is not something that had been thought of or talked about before.
This is a huge case.
What's going on here?
tim pool
Someone actually super chatted that I've demonstrated means, motive, and opportunity.
lydia smith
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Look, look, look.
Sure, but we need an investigation.
We need forensic analysis on his computer.
We know when he had those programs.
He's had them since January.
January 7th, he had a handbrake.
People say you can see the last time it was used.
Sort of.
I want to know when the defenses file was generated.
When the 212 video was created.
I want to see when the defenses was created.
And then I want to look at his computer.
I want to get him under oath.
They should seize his laptop immediately.
How much you want to bet he's already doing a DoD sweep on it, purging the hard drive seven times over?
lydia smith
Yep.
benjamin stewart
Of course.
unidentified
Wow.
benjamin stewart
Because he probably knows this is coming.
Like, by the way, I mean, now we're not talking Krauss bingers.
It's like hearing his voice, it sounds like you're listening to somebody in junior high.
lydia smith
Right.
benjamin stewart
I already feel like I'm in idiocracy, where it's like you don't have to do that good of a job to get by with your job these days.
lydia smith
So this is one of the things I noticed as I was growing up was that all of our institutions are like held together by spider webs like no one is checking things like and I I when I do my work I try to go back and check everything I've done because I worked in a hospital and if you don't check things and make sure that your documentation is correct You can be in huge trouble.
You can use your license, the nurse in charge of you can use your license.
But apparently this is in this case, in this huge freaking trial, and I just wanted to say that I feel like we don't owe this prosecution any form of confidence that they are operating in good faith because they're not even competent.
tim pool
So if this Super Chat is correct, I think it backs up exactly what I said.
So a super chat said, Weikau has the metadata. The video the defense received was
created 20 minutes after the original.
If genuine, they'd show the same. If it was created 20 minutes after the original,
that would imply that Krause was the one who made both.
He made the original file to admit it as evidence, and then he made the lower-res version to give the defense to weaken their ability to argue against it.
Because if it was a third party who made both, how would he have two different files and then give the wrong one?
That's possible.
It's possible somebody made both files, gave both a low-res and a high-res version.
I don't know why they would do that.
And then the prosecution had the two files, sent the wrong one over the defense.
unidentified
Maybe.
benjamin stewart
I was in the military for six years, and I learned that oversight is just built into the system.
You have oversight, so, like, I hope nobody's gonna claim, oh, okay, this was a mistake, it was an accident.
There's gotta be oversight so these accidents don't happen.
lydia smith
Exactly.
benjamin stewart
I'm really perplexed right now.
lydia smith
I'm kind of flabbergasted.
benjamin stewart
I'm going to say it one more time, this is a high-profile case.
tim pool
Let's talk about the ramifications of this fake evidence.
The prosecution won a major victory when they were able to get the judge to instruct the jury on provocation.
If you believe that Kyle Rittenhouse provoked the attack, then he must have exhausted all means of retreat, otherwise it is not self-defense.
I think it's something to that effect.
And if they didn't have this video footage with that argument about him pointing the weapon, there would have been no provocation instruction.
The jury would have been told, he was attacked, if you believe he acted in self-defense, acquit.
Here's what we got from Newsmax, and I don't know if this is true, but this is Newsmax reporting.
A Newsmax source reports they overheard Kyle Rittenhouse's attorney saying that he believed the jury is at a 6-6 split.
Mike Carter reports from the courthouse in Kenosha.
It could be a hung jury.
We've already heard rumors.
Jack Posobiec said he had a source claiming that there were two holdouts.
That he said, you know, ten people were in agreement, two were holding out.
That could mean that ten wanted to convict.
It could mean that two didn't.
It could mean that ten wanted to acquit and two didn't.
We don't know for sure.
But one thing that's interesting is that the defense made a verbal motion for mistrial.
Straight up mistrial.
That would mean Rittenhouse would be tried again.
We mentioned this the other day.
Cernovich said it's an advantage for the defense.
They'll get to do this whole thing over knowing exactly what the state has.
And here's what people have missed.
If everything I said about Kraus and the manipulation of this evidence is true, it'll get thrown out, and the state will have no opportunity to present that.
Furthermore, if Kraus did do something untoward, he could get in serious trouble, and the case may actually... Something beyond a retrial may happen if it turns out that they did something malicious.
It could actually... It might not be with prejudice, but it may actually create a political pressure where they can't retry Kyle Rittenhouse.
So, If we're looking at a hung jury and the defense is like, OK, we're going to we're going to get a do over.
Let's add a verbal motion for mistrial.
What people need to know is the judge has both motions to consider.
The judge could rule either way.
It's just more options for the defense.
ian crossland
I keep thinking about how the jurors are coming in on a bus where they can't see anything but they hear people screaming at them.
The people outside know who... It's like if you're let into a courthouse blindfolded and people all around you are screaming at you as you're walking in.
How horrifying and mind-twisting that would be.
And then to have to decide the fate of basically the people outside as well.
The people that are screaming at you.
luke rudkowski
Well, someone's decision is going to weigh on, if I rule this way, will there be consequences and other people hurt because of the way I rule?
So that's also another aspect that we have to consider here when we have these kind of egregious cases of people trying to take photos of them, people following them, the people screaming outside of them.
So there's a lot to play into this, but what did the judge rule?
Because I know the defense said mistrial with prejudice, then they reached for mistrial without prejudice.
What was his kind of understanding of this?
Did he decide on it, or did he say, I'm going to wait until the jury comes out?
tim pool
The first time the defense made a verbal motion for mistrial with prejudice, The judge said, I'll take it under advisement, and then he basically was like, if there's one more violation, you guys watch yourself.
They made a formal filing for a motion, a mistrial with prejudice.
We didn't hear anything about that from the judge.
The verbal motion for mistrial, the judge basically said, I'm gonna wait till the jury comes back with a verdict, and we'll see.
Excuse me, hiccups.
benjamin stewart
I'm really curious here, maybe anyone's opinion on what's the impact going to be?
Is there any way that this can go where the impact of what's happening in Kenosha would be different?
Do you think it's just going to escalate no matter what?
tim pool
Yep.
luke rudkowski
Well, you got the mainstream media putting fuel on the fire.
You got the mainstream media screaming, going crazy, trying to make this a race issue when it's not.
You got the mainstream media, I'm sorry, corporate media, as Malice would call them, literally fanning the flames here in every instant, just like they did last summer.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
So, with that happening, I mean, people were, like, guaranteeing that something was going to happen.
We don't know exactly, but The conditions that created previous civil unrest are there for this current period.
Now, there's different times.
We're not going through the summer.
The summer is usually the hot period where there is a lot of civil unrest, but there are memes going around showing Ron Paul at the Federal Reserve disguising it with a Nike store saying that, this is a meme, this is not a real image, but it's a meme saying that he hopes that during rioting season people will target the Federal Reserve and think it's the next.
unidentified
but but so so that there's a reason wasn't there a babylon be article about
that or something like i believe so yeah i i i don't know what have the writers
luke rudkowski
done i've seen the meme and i have to share the meme
uh... because it hit home to uh... to what's really going on here
uh... but but who knows what's going to happen here The conditions are there.
We can only hope and do our best to try to provide a reasonable side of the story.
To try to provide some kind of explanation that will decrease the risk of violence and escalation.
But the escalation has been there.
It's significant.
And I think it's only going to get even more significant.
tim pool
The judge should have declared a mistrial with prejudice immediately.
Because...
What people have been saying and what the judge is saying is, you know, he's gonna wait for the verdict.
If it's a not guilty verdict, then the rulings are irrelevant.
The problem is, then the prosecution goes, we got away with it.
We tried our best, we cheated to our heart's content, but we didn't win.
That means they could do it again.
Now, there's also the potential warning that if a guilty verdict, you know, issue, if a guilty verdict does come in, the judge could be like, mistrial with prejudice?
Blame the prosecutors.
benjamin stewart
Well yeah, there's a story, there's definitely a story, no matter which way this swings, there's a story to escalate it, I feel.
I think it was Catherine Austin Fitz, she did some research on the 2020 riots alone, and she said, I may get the numbers wrong, but 35 out of 37 of the main parts of the damage done to infrastructure was done right around maybe within a quarter or a half mile of a central bank.
And her whole theory, like, I mean, again, this is just her theory saying that, like, you know, this is exactly where they're going to build up the smart grid.
You know, so I don't know. I'm not going to press on that one. But I love when I hear people outside the box
investigation being like, I'm just going to look at what else there is around all these spots that seem to be
unnecessarily damaged.
ian crossland
What is a smart grid exactly?
benjamin stewart
Well, a smart... So you know the Internet of Things.
luke rudkowski
It's part of their 2030 plan for all major urban cities to be digitized and to be run through a kind of, sorry I cut you off that, but to be run through a kind of centralized grid.
benjamin stewart
It's totally centralized and it's the device.
You know, over in China, I think Robert Spalding was talking about this in his, I forget what book, Stealth Wars or something like that, but he was saying like over in China, There's not even the need for the device anymore because there's so many cameras and microphones that the very next step is you walk out your door and you say Uber.
It acknowledges who you are by your voice or where you're standing and the camera and it comes by and picks you up and you're in the device.
So the smart grid is definitely what Luke was saying about it's creating the Internet of Things everywhere.
And mind you, SmartDust was being talked about in 2000.
Going into pavement and it's already there in Denver.
luke rudkowski
That's a big rabbit hole.
But also in China, if you jaywalk, they take a photo of you.
You don't need to show your identification.
You don't need to report to anyone.
They take a photo of you and a fine automatically is deducted from your bank account and you get a notification on your phone.
You've been punished for jaywalking on this street and we took this money out of your bank account.
That's the smart grid.
Smart dust.
You're taking us down the rabbit hole.
I like this, Ben.
Finally, we're getting started here.
benjamin stewart
I'll just say this, Allison McDowell is talking about where we're moving is total gamification.
By 6G everyone will have up to 12 digital twins, so avatars, all connected to this thing called the Sentient World Simulation.
If you've seen the last season of Westworld, it's basically a digital mirror of this world, but in real time.
Yes, yes.
I forget what their prediction was, but when it gets to minority report level, where it can start
predicting people's actions, what groups you'll end up in, what stores you'll end up at, when,
luke rudkowski
why, where, those types of things. Yeah, this is the digitization of everything. This is Mark
Zuckerberg's metaverse, but in real life. And this is how they're going to do it.
You're going to be in the pod, eating the bugs, living in the society where they will track, trace, and database every aspect of your existence to the nanoparticle of smart, intelligent dust and microchip particles that will be in charge of controlling every aspect of your human existence.
benjamin stewart
Colonization all the way down to our biology.
Just look up International Barcode of Life and see who some of the main donors to that.
Thank you, Mr. Gates.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Mr. Bill Gates, I was just gonna say, Gates, Gates, Gates!
tim pool
So hold on, so this is a big segue, right?
We're talking about a potential hung jury in a criminal trial, and now we're talking about... Coincidence.
luke rudkowski
Sorry, I just got off, I went off the road.
tim pool
Well, you guys just, like, blasted off.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, we have to.
tim pool
But I have a question, I mean, are you saying that you think that the riots and all the destruction we've seen is somehow tied to... I'll just put it simply, I mean, I think it's fair to say, an attempt to gain more control politically over people's lives?
and i think if you walk back from the smart dust stuff you know something it's
kind of freaky for people understand he said something like you know why is the police stand
down a lot of rights why is it that the media promotes the white economy has
fundraised for them the violence scares people and triggers a response where
they say give us more money to keep you safe
benjamin stewart
yeah you know like i'm just theorizing here uh... i I've been looking into this.
I think last time we talked about Agenda 2020, Agenda 2030 and everything like that.
I personally feel like you've talked about Davos, you've talked about World Economic Forum.
The whole idea is moving from stakeholder capitalism to shareholder, or maybe it's the
other way around, shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism.
You need an excuse to radically not just homogenize world economies and bring them all together
under one, but you need an excuse, a public-facing excuse.
So to me, and this is yet again another thing that Katherine Austen-Fitts says, is like
invisible threats are great.
You can call terrorism for one, and you can't tell who's the terrorist.
It could be anyone.
It could be your neighbor.
Be very suspicious of your neighbor's type of thing.
The idea about it is, again, this is just a theory, but I definitely feel that Davos wants to succeed in this Great Reset.
And so the forward-facing, like, what's the excuse?
How do we tell the future generations why this whole thing went down?
I'm not saying that, like, what's happening right now is fake.
And I'm not saying that anything along those lines, but opportunizing the...
tim pool
Never let a good crisis go to waste.
benjamin stewart
Exactly.
And so to me, I absolutely feel that this needs to be spun in this direction.
And I'll just take it back to what I said about the Kyle Rittenhouse case and why it's so iconic is because it's a 17-year-old with a rifle At, in front of small businesses, which are being, I mean, I think I saw a woman today saying, I run a shop in Kenosha.
50% of shops have been shut down.
Small businesses shut down.
They never reopened.
A lot of them are moving out of the area.
There's something happening.
If you, if you like to call it all a coincidence, that's fine.
I personally don't mind taking several leaps of faith in order to at least think of what it could be.
What could be happening?
Because you'll never get the full story.
tim pool
You know, I don't like the big conspiracy stuff.
I think it gets too grandiose and it makes too many assumptions.
And I think there's actually some evidence to suggest this is definition, never let a good crisis go to waste.
And that is, when the COVID stuff first started, You were not allowed to talk about it on social media.
It was the craziest thing.
When the first news came out of Wuhan of the weird stuff, I made some videos on YouTube.
YouTube didn't notice, didn't care.
Then there was this period where they were like, you cannot talk about this, you'll be demonetized.
And they were exerting pressure on channels that were actually saying, hey, there's an outbreak.
I think initially, The establishment was like, this is panic stuff.
We don't want anyone talking about this.
And then once it hit, and the establishment politicians were like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
We can use this.
We can use the crisis.
15 days becomes two years.
Then all of a sudden YouTube's like, actually, we're gonna allow you to start talking about it.
And then, truth be told, when the more and more videos start popping up about it, the fear spreads and it allows a lot more corrupt politicians and powerful CEOs, big pharma corporations to be like, now's our chance to use fear to gain power.
luke rudkowski
I mean, there's different realms of thinking here, but there's a lot of setup here, especially by individuals like Bill Gates that wasn't just funneling money into the mainstream media, because he gave hundreds of billions of dollars to the mainstream media.
That buys a lot of influence.
There's smart people who know what's going on.
tim pool
It's so annoying to do the cliché Bill Gates.
luke rudkowski
No, no, no.
It's important to mention here, because this is a man that has far more influence than we even know about, and we already know.
Hundreds of millions of dollars to the mainstream media.
A new report just came out.
tim pool
Give me some evidence other than the guy says stupid things to the press.
luke rudkowski
He doesn't say stupid things to the press.
He buys off the press.
He gave them 319 million dollars to media outlets like CNN, NBC, NPR, The Atlantic, the BBC, The Guardian.
All are on his payroll.
All are on his paycheck.
What does that mean?
tim pool
Explain to me beyond, I saw a guy do a bunch of things that make me question him.
Look, I don't like the guy.
I think he's got weird, weird views on the world.
I don't trust him.
I think he's a bad person.
I look at his history and how he started Microsoft and how he moved through Silicon Valley.
Much like Steve Jobs, also not a good guy.
But the problem I have with this, like, here's a guy who did a thing, it's like, yo, what's happening in the world right now involves thousands of people.
We can talk about Donald Trump's role in 15 Days to Slow the Spread, but I don't think Trump was a big player in exactly what was going on.
I think he got swept up in it.
We could talk about Joe Biden's attempt at a vaccine mandate we could struck down, and then everyone's like, but, but, but, you know, Bill Gates.
luke rudkowski
But Biden's not there!
Biden is not a human being who's not even consciously there.
There's other people behind him.
There's special interests behind him.
There's major corporations behind him.
I know.
There's globalists behind them.
tim pool
And we can talk about how Pfizer has been dumping money into these companies, into the media outlets.
ian crossland
Sponsored by?
tim pool
Sponsored by.
Getting no liability contracts.
And why not?
luke rudkowski
Why shouldn't we talk about them?
They're huge influence players.
tim pool
They're big players.
There's puppets and there's players.
luke rudkowski
I want to talk about the players, not the puppets.
tim pool
They've always done this.
The Koch brothers are doing this, and George Soros is doing that, and Bill Gates is doing this.
ian crossland
But they are.
tim pool
You want me to give you a list of the 2,000 billionaires who are all doing this?
Look, I get it.
It's frustrating for me because people talk about Bill Gates in some superficial manner, like, did you know that he gave money to the media?
What does that mean?
Tell me what that means.
I know he owns influence.
The dude has had influence for decades.
They all do.
This one story does not say anything about the fact that we have corruption.
luke rudkowski
It's one story after another story after another story.
The man is literally trying to control the weather.
It's his obsession.
He's making GMO mosquitoes.
If you think this person... You're obsessed.
No, I'm not.
tim pool
Yes, you are.
luke rudkowski
No, I'm not.
Absolutely not.
tim pool
I'm concerned.
You can name George Soros and the DAs he's been funding.
This is what frustrates me about... Exactly, and why shouldn't you?
What frustrates me here is you get a story from June 2021 where BARDA, which is a bioresearch lab in the US, I believe through HHS, gets a weaponized smallpox drug approved.
I believe it was approved, but I could be wrong about this.
Bill Gates comes out and says, I'm worried about weaponized smallpox.
And all of a sudden, the conspiracy realm lights up saying, Bill Gates is doing whatever.
And it's like, dude, he read the news!
luke rudkowski
That's not what we said.
I never said anything about that.
tim pool
I didn't say you did.
unidentified
I'm saying the issue I take is... Yeah, there's other people that take it too far.
tim pool
Of course.
And so the issue I take is like, I've just had so many conversations about the obsession over Bill Gates.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think it's a red herring to go after the individuals because, like, if you have a corrupt king that's terrorizing his subjects, you want to remove that king, you're going to get another king.
And he may or may not terrorize.
What you want to do is disrupt the monarchy and change the system so that there is no possibility for another king.
luke rudkowski
You mean replace the puppets?
So the puppets look all nice and different and there's a red puppet and a blue puppet?
ian crossland
Yeah, avoid that.
unidentified
No, no, no.
luke rudkowski
I want to get the puppeteer.
ian crossland
You want to fix the system so that one guy can't become a multi-trillionaire.
tim pool
Listen, here's the problem.
Right now, we have a culture, and culture is more powerful than politics and law.
As I've mentioned numerous times, the easiest way to explain it is, there's wacky laws in Massachusetts, you know, they have a law from the 1600s, you can't put a pie in your windowsill on Sunday afternoon because it attracts bears, and now no cop will enforce that.
So when you get a hundred million people and you're standing before them and they say, tell us what's happening.
You say, this Bill Gates guy spent money in the press.
They go, what am I supposed to do with that?
luke rudkowski
I wouldn't say that.
tim pool
No, stop.
Or you say, do not let the government put their boot on your neck.
Do not let them mandate medical procedures, influence the culture.
I have never, never, I don't like doing these bits where it's like, did you know person X did X?
Or did Y?
You have all of these YouTubers who make videos about people, people, people, people, people, people, and then regular people who are standing at ready saying, I want the world to be a better place for my kids.
I want to make sure I have my freedoms and my liberties.
What should I do?
You should be mad at Bill Gates.
And they go, okay, I won't fight in any meaningful way for principles, I won't focus on what's happening in my community, I won't vote locally, I'll complain about Bill Gates.
Then those people go out to rallies, and they hold up big signs saying Bill Gates.
And then when regular people show up, they go, look at the crazy people.
Look at the crazy people.
So this is what frustrates me whenever it comes to the vaccine stuff.
Everyone's like, let's have a debate over science and we're not scientists.
And I'm like, why?
Why?
When we can just say we are advocates for freedom.
We are American citizens who know the history of this country and the founding fathers who said we demand freedom and respect and tell the people instead of trying to pretend to be a scientist who's going to argue about medical efficacy.
We can just say, I reject your attempts to mandate a medical procedure on me.
luke rudkowski
The two are not exclusive.
You could have both.
And I don't just obsessively talk about Bill Gates.
I talk about him.
I talk about all the other very influential people who are doing that.
But I also talk about solutions.
I also talk about personal responsibility.
I also talk about the need for you to wake up from this trauma-based mind control and psychosis that people are going through by watching the mainstream media, by watching what Bill Gates funds, by watching what all these other individuals finance in order to trick you in life.
Nobody knows or cares about Bill Gates.
I think they do.
I disagree with you.
You live in a bubble world.
No, I don't think I do.
Because if people actually do find out the reality of the true existence of this world, which many of them are right now, many people are waking up.
When people see the true reality of it, they start understanding the players behind the scenes here, then they could start implementing policies where they're not victimized by these players and their games that they play on the rest of the population.
tim pool
We don't get towards a convention of states, assuming that's what we want.
We don't get towards a populist uprising because a bunch of people went outside complaining about Bill Gates.
luke rudkowski
I'm not saying complain about Bill Gates.
I'm saying understand the problem and be able to diagnose it correctly without playing their games of, here's a puppet.
Vote for this puppet.
This puppet's going to make things better.
No, no, no.
There's bigger players behind the scenes.
And if you understand, hold on, I'm not done yet.
I let you talk.
I let you talk, right?
tim pool
Your billionaire changes every week.
It's pointless.
I disagree.
We go through the months and months of George Soros as the guy funding the DAs.
We are not seeing parents rise up and revolt because they found out about Bill Gates.
We're seeing their children and their families being affected.
They're seeing their culture be destroyed.
And it's so common.
luke rudkowski
Who's doing that?
Who's responsible?
Who's doing all this bad stuff to him?
tim pool
It doesn't matter.
luke rudkowski
It does.
ian crossland
I think it's a result of the system.
If you have a technocracy removing one technocrat, another one will fill the void.
So we want to figure out a system that's... That's a politician, Ian.
Same with politics.
Same with our politics.
luke rudkowski
You remove one president and another one.
Because there is an inner circle.
That inner circle deserves to be addressed.
We have different approaches.
I think it's important, along with going after the solutions, along with understanding the full problem that we're seeing in front of us, to be able to fully...
tim pool
And the challenge we have is that none of this is relevant because what matters is culture.
Culture building.
Politics is downstream from culture.
And a bunch of people who have said, I've identified a source of the problem and I believe it's Bill Gates, are going to convince no one and change nothing.
The truth, but you know what? But you know what? People want a symbol for their oppression.
So they isolate an individual for a long time. It was George Soros and still is.
Now Bill Gates is filling that role. Every single story, every quote, every comment has brought up.
And I'm just wondering, like, are we having a debate about this one guy we don't like?
Are we going to talk about how we're going to influence the culture so that these laws,
ian crossland
these laws can't exist? The culture is downstream from the technology that's basically functioning
as a gatekeeping system, allowing what culture is seen where. And then you got to say who built
that centralized technology.
And Bill did build some of it, but a lot of people have built a lot of central—and are in the process of building centralized technology systems.
I think Allison McDowell is really a fascinating human being.
benjamin stewart
I would love to know some of these solutions.
I agree with what you're saying.
Especially when we point at certain people, I want to know what is the actionable step.
So when you're talking about solutions, I would love to hear some of what you think would actually be solutions for people in mass families or whatever, like at-home, in-the-home solutions, and do any of them have to do with DMT?
luke rudkowski
DMT is a personal decision that individuals should do their own research, their own homework on.
benjamin stewart
We're all on DMT, by the way.
luke rudkowski
Yes, of course.
We all go through it when we dream every single night.
That's something that should be up to the individual to look up to.
But but again I think understanding exactly what's ... going on is the first step towards dealing with the ... problem obviously we have a very sick Society obviously we ... have a very corrupted Society understanding how it's ... corrupted who it's corrupted by and how we can not be ... corrupted by it I think is the first step whether it's.
You know school the school the indoctrination centers ... whether it's the medical centers that keep charging ... people $30 for an aspirin that rob people of their wealth and ... health whether it's the banking system whether it's all the ... systems that are thrown and shoved down our throats every ... single day that are scams Ponzi schemes against the ... American people we when we are victims to it when we are ... blind to it we give all of our power to these individuals.
And I'm saying these individuals are doing all this I ... think that's an essential part to break it all down and ... to say hey you know what maybe I won't vote with my ... dollar at this particular business maybe I won't put my ... child in an indoctrination Center maybe I will look into ... homeschooling maybe I won't depend on all my food from.
maybe I'll start looking into farming maybe I'll start ...
building a community of people that it could actually have a ...
support system around me and I think just acknowledging like ...
hey there's some big bad people out there some of them ...
are sociopaths understanding that reality and not blaming ...
everything on on generalized topics like like culture ...
culture is absolutely important but you build that ...
culture from a sense of reality not from a sense of I just ...
tim pool
want this let me go get this this is why.
You know the freedom of mind it.
I used to work for a bunch of nonprofits.
I used to fundraise for Greenpeace.
This was about for a month and a half.
I worked for a couple really big national non-profits and I was a nation's best fundraiser.
I was able to walk up to a random person on the street, make them hand over their credit card to me in 30 seconds.
This is what the job is.
You've seen them on the street.
They say, hey, come over here and talk to me.
And I will tell you the one thing that never convinces anybody is blaming a person they don't know.
They're confused by it.
How does that affect me?
Who is this guy?
What does he do?
What does this mean?
Bill Gates has bought influence in the media, he's manipulative, he has these weird ideas, and he's not a doctor, and they say, that's weird, what does he do?
I don't understand.
In order to give someone enough information to understand why Bill Gates is a bad person, and why George Soros is a bad person, and why these other
billionaires, because there are many and many, many of them, is a bad person, you'd have to put them in a
school for years to really break down all this stuff. And so what you end up having is you have a
bunch of people who've been in this world for a really, really long time. They know and they
can easily recall the history of the, you know, how Microsoft came to be, how they got their
first deals, they went and they bought it, the arguments between Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Steve Jobs,
the things he did, they were very, very just dirty individuals. And I mean, like, like, just
willing to exploit and rip off and corrupt.
And we know these things.
But then there's a guy who's a truck driver.
And you go to him and you say, all of your problems stem from Bill Gates as a billionaire who does these things.
And he's gonna be like, look, guy, I have no idea how that's going to give me any information I need to get my kids food.
But then we can bring it back to their world.
We can speak to them on their terms and things they understand and say, hey, should you be forced to do X, Y, or Z by your government?
And they'll say no.
And it's like, this is the opening of the door.
You say the things that directly affect you, that are causing you problems, can be solved if you wake up and start paying attention.
But what we get a lot of is George Soros, the left has their Koch brothers, the left has their Mercers, and I've been in these activist groups and I've seen just how ineffective it is to say a word that means nothing to somebody, a name that means nothing to somebody, but think you're giving some great revelation.
Joe Rogan just pointed out to Alex Jones when he was on the show on Tuesday that Alex has the problem of knowing.
And so when he tries explaining to people and he says really like things that are so out there they don't understand, it actually makes them push away from you.
You cannot walk up to a person who's never experienced and who doesn't understand the nitty-gritty of what's going on, immediately jump, crank up the dial to 11, and think they'll listen to you.
luke rudkowski
We're not doing that we're not jumping up to random people ... we're having a talk show where we delve deep into ... complicated topics the reason people listen to us is because ... it's an honest real conversation that isn't afraid ... just to be on the surface level we go deep down and I ... think this is why this podcast is so special because we could.
Do that and I disagree with your characterization we're ... not talking to random people on the street here we're ... talking to an informed public that is paying attention and I ... don't think everything that happens in this world is a ... coincidence I do think there's bad people out there I do ... believe there is going to you to be really bad things that ... are going to continue to continue to happen unless ... people realize that these people are actually doing it ... and I think that's also a part of the solution as well as to ...
responsibility for yourself as a human being and ... that's something I preach from the very beginning be ... informed of what's going on don't be a victim of these ... people move away from them and support systems and ... structures and businesses that align with your ... principles with your morality and what you believe ... deep down in yourself.
ian crossland
When I think of, like, this whole system and, like, how we fix... I think of it kind of like game theory and military theory.
I think of, like, Band of Brothers taking a bunker.
When you have a target or when you're focusing on, like, who did that?
Like, let's say you're talking about Bill Gates or whatever.
You don't want to, like, yell out, hey, Bill, and, like, go directly at him.
Because that's... then you become an easy target.
You kind of want to flank the target and, like, confuse the target and, like, I really and ultimately persuade that.
I mean, ultimately, we're not at war with each other.
We're on the same team trying to help society.
We just have different methods.
So you want to kind of convince the target.
lydia smith
And I think what Luke is doing is looking through a telescope backwards, because when you start with the people and not with the ideas, people don't understand what you're trying to say when you tell them, when you come up, when you tell people about this idea and you say something like, and I really think that Bill Gates is a symptom of this.
They may understand it better because that idea affects them directly.
Centralization affects people who drive trucks.
It affects people who work at small businesses.
And this is something that they will understand much better than saying, George Soros is our enemy.
It doesn't matter what George Soros is doing.
I'm just trying to drive a truck and keep my family in one piece.
tim pool
People want a symbol of something that they... They want a symbol to represent what they believe oppresses them or causes them problems and harm.
And for a lot of people, it's very easy to just name a person.
The thing about Bill Gates, he's a bad guy.
He's a pretty, pretty bad guy.
He does a lot of bad things, a lot of bad ideas.
He's, in my opinion, a sociopath.
But we're not talking about the other thousand billionaires that do the exact same thing.
And this is the issue I take with it.
It would be impossible for us to actually go through the huge list of all of these powerful
global elites of old money and new money, of arrogance and ego, of ill repute, people
who are callous, utilitarians who believe in that some people can be sacrificed, who
are willing to commit atrocities.
People like Fauci, for instance.
I mean, this guy is dark.
The stuff he's been funding, the lies he said, these are people who just don't care.
And there are so many of them.
But it can change if people are told very simply, like simple ways to improve their
lives, to give them information about basic things that are going on.
And you open the door and allow them to walk through it.
You don't run up to them, jump drop kick them and smash them through the window and try and push them outside because they'll freak out.
So when it comes to, you know, promoting a cause and trying to convince people to say sign up for a non-profit, become a member, or it's something they've never heard of.
The one thing I would always do when it came to, you know, how do I convince someone to want to save the forest?
You have to make it relatable and start with something they understand because, in my opinion, it's disrespectful to demand someone know something they've never heard of.
So if you approach it with, here's the guy, here's the bad guy, he's the villain, and then people, like I said, go out with signs saying, the villain.
Everyone else looks at that and says, that is meaningless to me.
luke rudkowski
I disagree with your characterizations, with Linda and yours as well, because I think saying, hey, don't talk about this, don't talk about this, isn't going to help anything in the long run.
And if you've looked at what I've been talking about for a very long time, if you want to look for the person that's responsible for all your woes, for all your problems, you have to look in the mirror.
And once you look in the mirror you start ... understanding the personal responsibility that you have ... within yourself to understand what's going on and not fall ... for the traps I think it's important to understand the ... traps as much as it is the people who lay the traps and I ... think we if we understand how people lay the traps why they ... laid traps what traps are out there I think that's ... something that we should not be afraid to talk about I think ... that's something that intrigues people I think that's ... what people want to know people want to see about this ...
Want to see all this different information about ... this and and it's not a telescope where we're looking ... opposite way I would say you're in a dark room just ... bumping your head walking around not knowing what's ... going on you're going to continue bumping your head ... until you try to shine some kind of light on it and on the ...
Hitting your head so it stops hitting your head so ... that's my perspective that's my point of view personal ... responsibility something I have always preached that's ... why I created we are change is about being the change ... that you want to see in the world not just blaming ... somebody else calling the bogeyman I agree with some ... elements and I even address this before in previous ... videos where I said hey.
We shouldn't maybe even be calling these guys the elites ... because we're giving them all of our power we shouldn't be ... giving them all of our power because we have the power and ... only our ignorance fuels them and gives them all of our ... power so I think waking up to the really bad people it's not ... just you know all the other billionaires they're not ... creating GMO mosquitoes they're not creating ... technology that's going to be embedded microchipped in ... people that's going to control their fertility.
unidentified
There's different levels.
luke rudkowski
They're not hanging out with people like Jeffrey Epstein and all these other individuals.
There's the other level of depravity of psychopath, evil behavior that deserves to be called out.
tim pool
So real quick, the release of the GMO mosquitoes.
That was in Florida, right?
What was the purpose?
A company or a lab had to do that work, which means there has to be employees, there has to be people, there has to be research, there has to be funding.
Funding probably came, you know, I assume you're saying it came from Bill Gates.
Can you name the other people involved in that project?
luke rudkowski
I could probably, I don't want to talk out of my butt.
I'll have to research it and get you the particular facts on it.
But when it comes to the scientific community, there's a thing called the Bill Chill.
That freezes a lot of people in the scientific community from even criticizing Bill Gates on a lot of his projects because of the large amounts of investment that he has in this entire industry through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
tim pool
How do you stop someone from working for a company that would do something like make genetically modified mosquitoes to be released?
benjamin stewart
You put him in a dark room for seven days.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh, does that work?
benjamin stewart
Until they start producing and dodging his DMT and they realize the error of their ways.
I'm sorry, I had to segue there.
tim pool
I think, I think in the past, you know, um, certain, uh, you know, Jordan Peterson talked about enforced monogamy and it triggered a bunch of people who thought he meant like the police would come and make women get married to like incels or something.
But what he meant was, uh, I could be getting this wrong, but my understanding is that society just as a whole culturally was like, this is what is normal.
And there are a lot of things that are enforced, not through law, but through culture and society, that people would say, like, I can't do that.
We used to have it.
We've lost it to a great deal because... I guess you could argue multiculturalism, in the definition used by the right, that you have a bunch of different groups that don't view each other as part of the community, and so they don't actually feel like they're committing a wrong against someone that matters.
We see this with activists, we see it with police, you know, the Antifa people would always say, snitches get stitches.
And so if somebody within, like, Occupy Wall Street, for instance, would commit a serious crime, they'd be like, don't report it to the police.
Stitches get stitches.
Basically saying, we feel no remorse and no harm.
We feel no remorse.
We regret nothing if we allow this person who wronged us to go free or to wrong someone to go free.
There was a few people who were, I'll just say, raped in Occupy Wall Street.
And the occupiers warned everybody, we'll beat you up if you tell the cops this happened.
See, when you have a cohesive community and people have scruples, they would feel within their heart, like, I can't do that because it's just wrong to do it to somebody else.
But when you have people willing to work for these companies where they say things like, I don't care that other people are being harmed by this, you get, like we were talking about a bit, like the banality of evil, some commonplace thing where people are just willing to do it.
So my view of a lot of this is, If, um, if you tried bribing a cop, what's the likelihood he would take the bribe in the United States, right?
ian crossland
Highly unlikely.
luke rudkowski
Depends what state, depends what the bribe is.
tim pool
But for real, for the most part, it is relatively unlikely.
You get pulled over.
The cop walks up and says, you are speeding, and you say, officer, here's a thousand bucks to make it all go away.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
The cop's going to be like, I even- You could step out of the car, buddy.
He's going to be like, you're under arrest.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's scruples.
benjamin stewart
Even if he needed the money.
tim pool
Even if he needed the money.
ian crossland
Because he's probably being recorded and everything.
luke rudkowski
It's $5 in Africa.
tim pool
Exactly.
Now there are some cops who would be like, I am desperate.
Let's talk.
Because people get desperate.
And there's corrupt cops.
They're going to be like, I'll take some free money.
Now go to Russia.
In Russia, it's implied.
The cop pulls you over, you broke the law, you say, what do I owe you?
And he goes, you know, give me 20 bucks.
I was talking to Kim.com and he explained to me how he even bribed a cop to pull his friend over so he'd win a race.
Because they're for sale.
You see, when you have a culture that believes in each other, believes in morality, has a moral framework, things like what you're describing can't happen.
How do we build that moral framework back up?
We explain to people our ideals.
We explain to them very simple values and principles.
We explain to them, here's what's happening right now.
You're being negatively impacted by high gas prices.
Okay, well this is the result of a large political system and it has a lot to do with how you participate in politics.
It's very hard to vote your way out of it, to be completely honest.
But you know, I grew up and I saw a lot of these videos and I saw a lot of these, you know, I've known about Alex Jones for a really, really long time and I always felt like none of this stuff has been particularly effective in getting people to actually build that culture where they'll say, I am unwilling to commit this act.
Instead, where we have now is how Michael Malice described it.
Most people are willing to prefer safety over freedom.
So when they come out and they say, we are hereby stripping you of all of your rights, they say, okay.
I'll give you a simple example.
Guns.
I could come out here all day and say, Mike Bloomberg is the problem.
trying to take away your guns.
But to a regular person, that's not an argument.
To a regular person, they're sitting there saying, someone broke into my house and stole
all my stuff and beat my wife.
And then I say, Michael Bloomberg is the reason.
And they'll be like, I don't know what that has to do with...
Or I say, hey, have you considered, you know, purchasing a firearm to protect yourself?
And then they say, you know, I've never been a big fan.
I've been worried and I've heard these things.
Let me give you some basic information on gun culture and understanding so that you can have something to protect yourself, so that you won't be victimized again.
Hold on.
Then this person goes and buys a gun.
They experience gun control for the first time.
They get angry.
They say, hey, wait a minute.
It's my constitutional right.
Then they start spreading those ideas around everybody.
Here's what affected me directly when I was wronged.
Michael Bloomberg spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to get guns banned.
Tom Steyer as well.
But telling people these names doesn't change the culture, doesn't inspire them to buy weapons, to exercise their rights, and to protect their families.
luke rudkowski
Why can't you do both?
Why do you have to have a blinders at the cause of the problem rather than just focus on the solution?
Why can't you do all of that?
Because the main critical point that you have of me right now is that as I bring up a lot of these other people, right?
So I bring up like the Bloombergs in this scenario.
I think you should build the culture and talk about Bloomberg.
I think you could do both and they don't have to be exclusive to each other.
I don't think you need blinders and not talk about the root cause of the problem while, of course, pushing the culture, which I think is also absolutely important.
ian crossland
You do want to map the system.
Like you were saying, if you're in the dark room, you don't want to bump your head.
You need to map it so you know what's where.
luke rudkowski
You need to understand it.
ian crossland
But, um, and like what you said earlier, Tim, you don't want to put make villains on a poster.
Everyone's like, down with person X. Because what'll happen is all the other villains eventually, when it builds up to a point, will throw that guy under the bus.
And then you'll get this sociological cathartic faux release.
But the system hasn't changed.
They just removed one of their own, and I think that's what happened to Jeff Epstein.
He was part of a big organization, and they threw him under the bus.
tim pool
To a certain degree.
benjamin stewart
Yeah, and I gotta say, for the most part, what I've seen is actionable when it comes to conspiracies and naming big names and stuff like that.
What's actionable for most people isn't something that's going to do much for their lives.
I think, Luke, you are an exception because you're okay looking into the abyss and looking for solutions as well.
A lot of people, when they hear that stuff, they don't feel inspired to look big and to have some kind of grandiose 30,000 foot view of what's happening.
They really just want to protect their family.
If you think about it now, like evolutionarily, we would look out into nature to see if there was something hunting us.
And we would always do that.
Now people do that with news and they're looking through, you know, and I'm generalizing here, but for the most part, like you have the protectors watching news trying to figure out, am I safe?
Am I in a safe world?
We're not looking through the trees trying to figure out if predators are there anymore.
So it's ancient architecture we're talking about.
So most people with conspiracy, it downgrades their prefrontal cortex and they start going back into the hindbrain.
They start getting You know, scared, unnecessarily, it doesn't do anything for them.
I think that's the majority of people.
Some people, looking at the big, looking at the specific actors like you, I think it actually, like in the film Divergent, I think it actually turns you on so you start realizing, no, I gotta look at the deepest and darkest so we can start building back from there.
It's really tricky though.
When it comes to conspiracy, I think over 90% of it is fluff, much of it intentional fluff, and then only a little bit of it, and I know you had Alex on and you were pulling up articles and stuff like that and seeing that, yeah, some of this stuff really does pan out.
For most people, conspiracy does nothing good for them.
So me, I'm more of like an archetypal conspiracy theorist.
I know there's some shady shit going on.
I know that.
But when it comes to really pointing at who's involved, I'm not going to say that's a tool you shouldn't pull out of the tool belt, but it's probably like a handgun.
It's probably like a rifle.
You know what I mean?
It's for select moments, I really believe.
Because most people, they can't handle what that means when you say, did you know X, Y, and Z, they're trying to do this to you and your family?
They don't know what to do with that, so they shut down, I think.
tim pool
Well, I think it's confusing to a lot of people to introduce foreign concepts to us.
You know, I have to talk about how when we do, when I do news segments, I try to be careful to a certain degree because you don't want to be esoteric.
There are a lot of people we have on the show and I talk to them and they're like, hey, you know, how do we get the podcast bigger?
And I was just like, just keep in mind that a lot of people who tune in might know something and be concerned about something that's like in the culture, in the now, in the know.
And you can talk about the nitty gritty details they don't understand.
So I actually, I just recorded something with Joe Rogan. I don't know when the episode goes up,
but there were a few points where I was like, if I want to make this story quick,
it's going to be too esoteric for the average person. And we'll have to actually break down
the terms, the individuals involved. So we were talking a lot about the Rittenhouse trial
and naming the individuals who were involved in all, as all the witnesses. And it's like, who's that?
What does that mean?
What is this?
So one moment was I mentioned a duty to retreat.
And he says, no, no, no, stop.
You're glossing over that.
What does that mean?
Because Joe knows the average person is not going to understand if I talk about this as an expert.
I shouldn't say expert, but as like someone in the weeds.
So, the challenge is finding that balance.
There are a group of people that want to know, that don't like the powerful individuals who are playing these games, who are manipulating and influential.
The issue I take for the most part is, I feel like, as I mentioned, you don't actually solve the problem, but there will always be powerful individuals.
There was this stockbroker guy.
And I can't remember exactly what happened, but he got called out, and I think it was during AMC or whatever, it was during GameStop, and he said, you know the crazy thing is, when I got into this, I was the little guy fighting the establishment, and today I realize I'm the establishment, and I just didn't realize that happened.
So there will come a point in time where, say like for this show for instance, and the money we spend, people are going to be livid, furious, outraged at what I'm funding.
On Foundation for instance.
ian crossland
Amazing.
tim pool
We're trying to create, I'll give you a good example.
We're trying to create software to make it so that no one can ever be censored again.
But this means really, really bad people with really awful ideas won't be able to be censored.
You're gonna get a bunch of people being like, Tim Pool has been funding these programs to give evil people platforms so they can never be shut out of society, and they're wrong, and they're violent, and they're angry, and they're evil, and then they'll start focusing on me because there'll come a point where I gain too much influence or power in some capacity.
ian crossland
Sometimes evil people take an Uber.
You don't blame Uber for it.
luke rudkowski
We're talking about different levels though.
I mean, this is like entry level compared to like the hundred billion level.
There's a big difference between the two.
tim pool
What I mean to say is just like...
We need to inspire people to hold true to principles and ideas that they understand very easily.
Because when I would do segments, I'd often say, it's not fair of me to assume you guys have the time to watch the news every day like I do.
So if I watch the Rittenhouse livestream all day just glued to it for the court trial, the average person can't do that because they have jobs and they have work.
So they say, I want to turn on someone I trust who's going to give me what I believe to be the correct information and will do their best.
And so I often try to say, I will do my best to give you the information because I know you don't have the time to do it.
That is not to say I think anyone is stupid.
No, I think...
That people are looking for a service to be provided, and I have to respect the fact that they don't have the time to know everything.
ian crossland
Dude, I was thinking of your metaphor of looking through the forest.
luke rudkowski
But there's a counter argument to make this, to make here, because I don't think we should be kind of talking down or talking to people like children.
I think there are some advanced level people that do want to hear advanced level stuff, and sometimes entertaining that I think is good, but I understand you kind of lose people by going too far down the rabbit hole.
But I think some some of the people do need to go down there just to say, hey, it's pretty interesting down here.
You may want to know what's going on.
ian crossland
It's kind of like if you're you guys are like scouts, you know, you're looking like your metaphor looking in the woods for danger.
You're looking at the news and you're looking through and it's like you're both seeing the enemy army coming.
And Tim is like, we're being flanked from the left by cavalry.
The archers are behind to watch out for the spearmen in the right.
And Luke's like, yeah, but you see the king?
That's not actually the king.
The king's the guy next to him.
That guy with the armor is not the king.
luke rudkowski
Princess Amidala was actually- So don't send all your forces to fight and go after this king because it's a fake king and it's a fake illusion.
You're gonna waste all your time and energy while the real bad guy gets away and then sets up more horrible traps and more armies against you.
tim pool
But here's my argument.
luke rudkowski
Thank you, Id.
tim pool
I'll put it this way.
I'll counterpoint.
You've got the feudal lord's, you know, palace or whatever.
And all of the subjects are standing around and all the guards are standing there and they're all bowing.
And then you go up and say, you know, that, you know, the Lord is the problem and look at all the bad things he's doing.
Or you just go to all the people and say, hey, let's all come together and ignore that.
Do this thing.
I'm not saying ignore Bill Gates or anything they're doing.
What I mean to say is if the confidence is broken by regular people and they just do their thing and believe in their values and principles and focus on that, It's a grassroots effort, then all of a sudden the chain breaks, and these powerful individuals have no ability to influence.
The point I was making is with like the lab in Florida, wherever they made these mosquitoes, because they did this... I don't know when they did this, but there's this big mosquito release thing.
luke rudkowski
Just a couple months ago in Key West, Florida, they released it.
tim pool
Let me give you a better story.
Cassandra Fairbanks wrote about this.
There's a Fauci, the NIAID funded maximum pain research on primates and primates are intelligent.
I mean, this is like, this is brutal stuff.
Who is the person who's willing to conduct this painful research, maximum pain?
These people, the ideas they have and the things they're willing to do
shouldn't exist in my opinion.
The people who are raised in this world have come to a point where they say,
I have no qualms with inflicting maximum pain on primates to see what happens.
At a certain point we need to be like, how did you get to that point?
Because it's not Bill Gates who made him do that.
Now certainly money is an influencer, but how do we make sure the moral framework, and I'm gonna be maybe offensive to all the atheists and secularists, I believe that as we begin losing the Christian moral framework, You end up with people who don't believe in any kind of moral framework, and that's what you get from wokeness.
You get people who believe that there is no truth but power.
These are the kind of people that, you know, you eventually see in World War II-era Japan, and you end up with the Nazi Party, the people who are willing to commit atrocities against others because they don't feel that they have... there's no remorse.
If the values are instilled in an individual to respect others, to hold a certain moral framework, and I believe We were all raised in a Christian moral framework.
I'm not saying the religion, I'm not religious, but that moral framework has in it the Fifth Amendment, the Sixth Amendment, all of these things.
You end up with people who would sit there and they'll say, we'll pay you a million dollars to torture these monkeys, and they'll be like, I will never do that.
And then you don't have to worry about these horrifying things.
Someone would say, hey, we want you to genetically engineer mosquitoes that are going to go around.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's too much for me.
I'm not going to do that.
benjamin stewart
When you're talking about values, I think you're nailing it on the head.
And narrative, like, you know, One thing that holds a country or a tribe or whatever together is a collective myth.
It holds certain values in it, and we have that in our own way.
And that's one thing that's kind of breaking down now, is our collective myth.
And what I feel really causes for that breakdown is Dividing, not just the family structure, but dividing us from one another and putting an intercessor, some kind of technological intercessor.
And I think the solution... We talked about this when Joe Rogan was just on recently.
He said, you know, like, what compelled Kyle Rittenhouse to go there?
And he said, anarchy and chaos in the streets.
And I know that the word anarchy actually has a little bit deeper meaning to that, which I won't go super into, but it's more about localism as well, like locally controlling certain things and connecting with one another.
And what happens when you go local?
I'm not saying this is the answer.
But when you have more of a community, a real community, you live your values with one another.
You don't have a piece of technology in between you and like, oh no, I couldn't hear those last five words that you just said because the algorithm blocked it.
You know, community, real connectedness.
I think that's something that is going to uphold our values because I do think that it's the erosion of our values that we're seeing a lot right now.
luke rudkowski
To be a little obnoxious, here we have Bill Gates and here we have his mini-me, Dr. Fauci, who's been working and collaborating with him almost every step of the way since COVID started.
But that's a separate topic.
The community building is absolutely key.
It's absolutely essential.
Because if you don't have a strong group, if you don't have a family, if you don't have core values, you of course will be picked apart, you of course will be manipulated, you of course will be thrown into a situation where you become your very own worst enemy, and you will be susceptible to these traps, these games that I've been talking about before.
And I think a lot of people have been, I think a lot of people are suffering, a lot of people are not in a good state, and I think that's only going to continue Not when we just change the culture, but when we address the root cause of everything that's happening here.
And we addressed the importance of personal responsibility, self-education, and making yourself aware of not only the things outside of you, the important people controlling, pushing things, but also the things inside of you and the things that you can make a big difference in when it comes to your own personal choices and decisions you make in your life.
Sometimes it's as simple as meditating for 10 minutes, sitting in a room, and examining your life and deciding where you want to go as a human being.
unidentified
I think that's a big beginning.
tim pool
You know what's frustrating?
I despised Bill Gates way before it was cool.
You know?
Because I knew a lot about computers and stuff growing up, and there's a film called The Pirates of Silicon Valley.
benjamin stewart
I love that film.
tim pool
Yeah, and I'm like, these guys are just Bad people.
I remember during Occupy Wall Street, they made a shrine for Steve Jobs when he passed.
And I was like, what is wrong with you?
These people are all authoritarian.
But I'll just really simplify the point I was trying to make is, I don't feel like talking about Bill Gates is solution-oriented.
I understand why people don't like him.
I understand he does bad things.
And I think it's important that people know why he's a bad dude and the bad things he does.
I especially think it's important to point out that Joe Rogan can give his opinion and the media just attacks him.
And then Bill Gates does and they cheer for him when neither are doctors.
luke rudkowski
I would say he gets away with this because he has the cover because he has no one paying attention to him.
He cares what the public thinks about him.
That's why he buys the best PR staff to hide all of his Jeffrey Epstein connections, which were far more extensive.
If people found out about exactly what he was going on, he wouldn't be able to get away with More than half of the stuff that he's already getting away with.
So he hides under the cover of darkness.
And I think that's why shining a light on him would show you a big room with him slapping you upside the head.
And once you see someone slapping you upside the head, you know exactly what's going on and you could actually deal with that particular problem.
So that's my perspective, my point of view from this entire kind of saga.
It might be wrong.
I could admit if I'm wrong sometimes, I might be wrong.
I might be delusional.
I might be too much down the rabbit hole.
I could admit that as well.
tim pool
So the challenge I see is, it's not just Bill Gates.
It's not just George Soros.
lydia smith
It's underneath that.
tim pool
I mean, Vladimir Putin.
What is he worth?
$700 billion, they argue?
Like secret money, hidden?
He's got like the biggest house in the world.
I don't know if he's actually worth whatever that is.
Maybe it's $70 billion.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Maybe I was wrong.
No, no, no.
I'm thinking $700.
benjamin stewart
Elon Musk has almost $300 billion.
tim pool
In value.
benjamin stewart
$194 for Bill Gates.
tim pool
They say that Vladimir Putin, it's like secret money he doesn't want anyone to know about.
I certainly don't believe all the stupid Russiagate garbage nonsense.
But you look at all of these countries and they're all playing their influence games.
So yeah, Bill Gates is one of the worst.
Bloomberg is one of the worst.
Steyer is one of the worst.
These people are funneling money and doing a ton of really bad stuff.
But my view of it is kind of like, imagine your house is on fire and there's big raging flames.
And so you're like, the first thing we have to do is go to the electrical socket in the basement where the fire started and tell everyone that's where the fire started.
lydia smith
That's not.
tim pool
My attitude is kind of like, why don't we get everybody to put the greater fire out, and then we go to the source of the fire and disable it, like turn the power off, or something like that.
Or, you know, you could try and find a way to shut the power off first, but, you know, where the fire is starting from... It's a fair point to say that I think there's arguments for both our sides on this one.
One could be that if there is a leak in a ship, And the water is flooding up the ship, and you say, we must bail the water, you're not stopping the fact the water is still filling up.
ian crossland
We must plug the hole, yeah.
tim pool
Right, so to Luke's point, it's like, everyone find the hole first, and then we bail the water.
luke rudkowski
Luke's point is, hey, there's a crazy guy putting more holes in the boat.
Right now there's a crazy guy adding more fuel to the fire right now and it's going to get really out of hand unless we stop this one guy who started the fire and making the fire that much worse right now as we're speaking.
ian crossland
And I'd like to point out that there is another kingdom that is paying people to come put holes in our boats so let's see if we can fix that.
benjamin stewart
It's super interesting though because even Lydia's back there and she's got her own like ways of viewing it.
For me this is the community this is just a microcosm of the community It takes all kinds.
Somebody was just on Aubrey Marcus's podcast, it was a rabbi, Mordecai, I think, and he was saying like, you know, I have no problem with conspiracy theorists because I don't invest myself in what they believe.
I think back, who were they in the tribe?
Who do you want the paranoid, always vigilant person in the tribe to be?
Probably the lookout, right?
And they are valuable in that way.
And part of what we're talking about with values is we don't have to pretend like people in our community don't get on our nerves and don't trigger us in some ways.
But the bottom line is if we can't see any value in what's happening in front of us, then we're missing some kind of lesson or gift in it.
Which is why it's hard with what's going on in the country right now, but I'm really taking a look at it.
When I look at the conspiratorial lens of what's happening in the world right now, I'm more curious.
My ideas are way out there.
First Contact happened thousands of years ago.
We just don't know what we're looking at.
Technology is part of it.
I won't even go into explaining it, but what I'm saying by that is I really think that reality is weirder than most any of us can put into words, so the best thing we can do is find some kind of harmony together.
Whatever that actually looks like, some kind of harmony together, and that does not happen without community coming together under some premise, under some story.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats!
But I will also say, just for this show, Ian and I argue, and we have very different ideas.
Luke and I just argue, we have very different ideas.
I think that's why, like, I think a goal of the show is, maybe we get a little too heated, maybe I should have been more chill about it.
luke rudkowski
No, it's fine!
I want more...
More passion, more fire.
Let's get it all out.
I mean, these are important conversations that we got to get through somehow.
And there's no other way but to kind of go at it.
We could be fake to each other.
We could pretend to believe like we're somebody that we're not.
I'm sick of that bull crap.
I'm sick of people talking down to each other and pretending that they're somebody that they're not.
This is my point of view.
This is yours.
We disagree.
Let's go at it.
Let's not be, let's not play patty cake and pretend it was real.
It has to be real.
tim pool
And that's what I'm saying about, you know, what I go for.
Um, I, I, I lost a lot of subscribers after the election of Donald Trump.
And I, and I said, I don't think the fraud narrative is correct.
I think it was the shadow campaign narrative.
I think they changed the rules and I'm not going to sit here and just pretend I believe something, hoping my views go up.
That's not what I do.
And if I get angry, maybe I shouldn't.
But, you know, if we have an argument, I think it's a good thing.
And then everyone in the comments is allowed to tell me I'm wrong and argue back.
And that's why I think this show is good.
ian crossland
I would advise reviewing the tape to the point where you think you might have been overboard and just see.
Because when you see yourself, you'd be like, yes, I was or no, I wasn't.
luke rudkowski
It's okay to have natural emotional reactions.
If you're angry, you're angry.
Let it out.
If you hide it and try to pretend like it's not there, it festers and builds up and explodes in another area of your life.
So it's important to express yourself and assert yourself as a human being and not play these bullcrap social rules that are just made up and are nonsensical.
tim pool
Pretending.
I mean, there's being respectful and stuff like that.
And sometimes people get angry, but I really, there are a lot of shows, there are a lot of commentators that can't, you know, there's a lot of people on the right.
that when a narrative emerges, I see them jump right on with whatever narrative makes
Yeah.
the most sense.
I'll give you the example today.
When the judge said this NBC reporter and this other person, producer, tons of people
immediately said this producer did it.
And my response was, for all we know, it was Antifa driving, trying to track the jury down,
and then just lied and said they were up to the press because we've seen that happen before.
I think it's, you know, we've got to be very careful not to immediately just jump on bandwagons or just do it for tribal reasons, but there are some people with big channels, with powerful followings, that would absolutely just say whatever they think.
People want to hear if it gets them more and more viewers.
But I'll tell you this, when I came out and argued with Luke, a bunch of people left.
Well, you know what?
Look, you're free to leave if you don't like it, but I'm not gonna sit here and just pretend my feelings are something else in hopes that people stay.
unidentified
Right.
benjamin stewart
You probably evoked something inside them that they weren't ready to handle, and that's important to have on a show.
You know, because a lot of people are waiting... I could be wrong.
Well, you know, the thing is, is like, either one of you might be more right than the other, but I think the underlying important factor is that you had the conversation so the greater community could hear two very valid points, and that helps refine their blade of discernment.
luke rudkowski
I think this is far more important than just covering news.
I think it's far more important than just covering, this happened in the news today.
No, we need to get passionate, we need to get involved, and we need to express our ideas in a non-scripted way that truly tell the audience who we really are.
Because there's nothing narrated here, there's nothing It's us having a normal reaction and a normal conversation without any of these kind of paradigms that all these other mainstream media family-friendly show.
I can't say what I want to say, but all these other mainstream media hypocrites live by.
We don't live by that rule set.
We live by a rule set where this is what's on my mind.
It's gonna get out.
I don't care who it hurts or offends.
tim pool
Superchats!
Let's see what you guys have to say.
Smash that like button if you still like the show.
Of course you do.
Thanks so much for watching everybody and supporting our work.
Let's see what we got here.
Oh man, YouTube has started deleting superchats?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
You know, YouTube, when you get too many they start purging the back end.
Usually it happens only when we get a ridiculous amount of superchats.
I didn't think we got that many.
All right, sorry man.
All right, so we got Z Michael.
He says the source of that footage is a front with a glowing neon sign who airdropped the file anonymously to the police.
Sounds like people who live in parallel.
I'm not, I'm not sure what that means.
lydia smith
Interesting.
benjamin stewart
So it was an anonymous drop of... Okay.
lydia smith
Interesting.
I don't know.
tim pool
So we do have this story.
We're going to talk about this in the member segment.
This is crazy.
We were going to talk about it, but I think we got a bit philosophical.
Roberto Laura says, Tim, 800 OK Guardsmen are not vaxxed.
This is insane.
I want to joke and say that if the Pentagon orders to remove those who choose not to comply with the Pentagon, just created 800 Kyles.
A dark winter is coming.
I think the Pentagon actually said you will not be in compliance with the National Guard and thus you will just be a state militia.
Yeah, that's crazy.
lydia smith
Your terms are acceptable.
tim pool
But we're gonna get into that too because we got some crazy data coming out of the UK that we're gonna talk about in the members only segment.
So go to TimCast.com, sign up.
That'll be coming up around 11 or so p.m.
Let's read some more Super Chats!
All right, let's see.
Amanda... what is it?
Dilt.
It's harder to read because we have smaller monitors here.
Well, actually, I could probably just look up.
Actually, that's Waze with the bigger TV.
What am I doing?
All right, Amanda Dilt says, Hernandez's video leading up Rosenbaum shows Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse, drops extinguisher, and runs through lot, not once pointing gun at anybody.
Not only that, something came out where the jury said, can we get the video of Rittenhouse putting down the fire extinguisher?
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Set it down.
I think it was it might have been Viva Frye said this that's the language of the prosecution
Which is indicative of the perspective of the jurors?
Yeah, because the defense did not say he put down a fire extinguisher. I think they said dropped
Hmm so one in one instance dropping it means he's running and he drops it and the other end since he stops puts it
down Aims a weapon hmm. Yeah
All right, I don't know Rich Leggy says, do you think the prosecution will be charged or is nothing gonna happen again?
Man, I hate to say it, but I think nothing's gonna happen.
Right?
Like, the judge won't.
luke rudkowski
Might be a while.
tim pool
But if the judge puts the prosecutor on the stand, I would... I'd be so happy.
That'd be cool.
ian crossland
I've never seen anything like this.
benjamin stewart
It's an eclipse tonight, so I'm ready for anything tomorrow.
unidentified
Yes!
ian crossland
Is it a total eclipse?
benjamin stewart
I don't know.
tim pool
It's the longest partial lunar eclipse.
I don't know longest in what period.
I don't know.
It's not on the news.
The Economist said, should protesting near a courthouse be illegal because it affects jurors?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
How can we keep jurors safe?
I'm loving Tim Kast's IRL van life edition.
I don't think so.
I think we have a right to express ourselves, especially in front of government institutions.
But that does mean that bad people will do bad things and it's going to freak the jury out and then you end up with, you know, these bad cases.
The greater issue is the culture as it is.
The right is unwilling to engage in violence the way the left is.
So the jurors know the fear is not acquittal.
I'm sorry, the fear is not conviction.
It's acquittal.
If the jurors convict, they know the right will grumble.
If they acquit, they know they'll be threatened with their lives because the left is extreme violent and protected by the media and the institutions and the establishment.
ian crossland
It's so mind-bending how people can coordinate now, in the last 20 years since social media has basically been invented, and how culture can be so rapidly formed and dissolved and altered by, like, a meme.
Like, and then that controls the politics of the world.
Like, a million people, like, how people can protest, be like, hey, tomorrow be at this place at this time, and 100 million people, or a million people, or 10,000 people, it's like, what the?
How do we protect jurors in this world?
tim pool
Mass mobilization is a crazy thing the Founding Fathers did not have to deal with.
This one's a really important one.
Spidge Bandersnatch says, Tim, quote, no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.
What happened to Hanlon's razor?
unidentified
Ah.
tim pool
I will tell you.
Hanlon's Razor, of course, is never a tribute to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.
However, in this instance, I cited, I think, three examples of MSNBC manipulating the news.
So then when you find out an MSNBC employee was tracking the jury van, And we know the judge already said this can't happen and won't happen again.
There's no attribute to incompetence there.
Then you're just, you know, being a fool.
And then, as it pertains to the prosecution, they committed several grave constitutional violations.
So at that point, we stop giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they're just bad at their job.
We say, nah, you've done it too.
You fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times, you're not going to fool me a third time.
All right, what do we got?
I agree.
James Nelson says that video appeared Friday right before prosecutors closed from an anonymous
person.
The crop compressed screams manufactured evidence Hail Mary.
I agree.
And it just so happens that Krauss has two programs on his computer to do such a thing.
And they're very specific programs.
If he had Adobe Premiere, I wouldn't have batted an eye.
I'd have been like, eh, it's Premiere, man.
It's like basic editing software.
But he has, like, the cropping and the compression software.
Specifically.
ian crossland
Was the footage on Fox?
Like, actually on TV?
tim pool
Yeah, Tucker Carlson.
ian crossland
So anyone could have snagged it off of the TV.
tim pool
Cropped out his logo.
ian crossland
Anonymous is kind of weird.
Like, anybody could have done that.
benjamin stewart
I should have sent in evidence because it probably would have appeared in the trial.
unidentified
I mean, that's how much oversight I'm seeing here.
tim pool
Brandon Taylor says the defense's tech lady said the lower resolution version was created 21 minutes and 19 seconds after the larger file they received was created.
So I just don't see a reality in which the defense is like, we're given two files anonymously, I'll send only one.
Because that would imply that they were supposed to send both.
ian crossland
The prosecution.
tim pool
Right, the prosecution.
The prosecution, if they got two video files, would send both of them.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Definitely.
benjamin stewart
Absolutely.
tim pool
Right.
Mm-mm.
with a different name that was compressed.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
So people are like, if he sent it over iPhone email, it would compress it, but it wouldn't change the name.
lydia smith
Right.
benjamin stewart
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
benjamin stewart
There's not enough transparency here.
tim pool
Yeah, something is crazy.
Here we go, this is good.
Tony Nalagan says Handbrick is an activity log file in GHB directory that recorded the file names of the source, output file and timestamps, under oath, subpoena, seize the laptop, but you know what?
They're not gonna do it.
And you know why?
Because the judge doesn't know.
Because the judge had a secret meeting with Bill Gates and George Shultz while doing DMT.
They're all doing DMT.
benjamin stewart
Now it's starting to make sense.
tim pool
The judge doesn't know.
lydia smith
Now it checks out.
tim pool
The judge said, I don't understand, this is in the 70s.
And the defense doesn't know either.
Yo, why isn't defense like watching these shows?
It's not just me.
Like, Rekato Law went over this stuff.
They've had massive live streams about this.
benjamin stewart
It's weird when younger people commenting on it know far more and probably could have done a better job.
I mean, that's a big stretch, but it really does seem like there was a lot of lax decision-making going on.
ian crossland
How old were the Founding Fathers?
Like 28?
unidentified
28, 26, 30?
tim pool
It was a wide range.
ian crossland
They weren't 70.
They weren't 78 years old.
unidentified
Ben Franklin was the oldest.
ian crossland
Well, one of the oldest.
He was in his 50s, right?
I don't know.
I think so.
tim pool
This is interesting.
Andy F says Krause claimed the detective sent him two versions and the second version was messed up.
He gave some reason the detective did it, but I can't remember what it was.
So, if the file was created 21 minutes after the video they got, then the detective created both?
There's no scenario in which it makes sense that an anonymous source Sent two files to the detective, created within 21 minutes of each other, and then the detective sent both, one was messed up, and then the prosecution just failed to deliver the high-res version.
For any reason, none of this adds up.
Let's just play Devil's Advocate.
Crouse got two versions.
Well, then he withheld evidence.
Because he should have sent both.
ian crossland
Yeah, that alone is... I mean, the evidence has to be recalled, I would imagine.
tim pool
And he didn't.
So if that's the case, mistrial with prejudice!
benjamin stewart
There's levels of ineptitude.
If you're looking for malice and ineptitude, you have to think like, what kind of an attorney is this?
And would he not have thought of sending both of them?
How much ineptitude do you have to go to before you start realizing some of it is malintent?
tim pool
I'm going to make a prediction.
JN says possibility of verdict coming on Friday.
So on the weekend.
Things people go off.
Media cookies.
unidentified
Could be.
tim pool
Here's my prediction.
Tomorrow, mistrial with prejudice.
unidentified
Okay.
lydia smith
Okay, place your bets.
tim pool
You know why?
That will create the maximum impact on the riots.
luke rudkowski
The judge has to know, though.
tim pool
Waiting till Friday.
The judge said last week he didn't want to go another week.
He wanted to start a new trial on Monday.
And he's like, why don't we do closing on Friday?
And they were like, no, we should do closing on Monday.
And I think both the state and the defense were like, yo, we should not.
But that would have only triggered deliberations on Monday, I suppose.
So maybe that wasn't a factor.
They wait till Friday? Is the judge gonna want to carry on?
Or is he gonna say it's been three days, if the jury is hung, then we'll make a decision on mistrial.
If he declares a mistrial, there may be some riots, but probably not. If he declares a mistrial
with prejudice, which he has very good reason to do, they will light that city up. Poor Kenosha.
Yeah, but poor everywhere else.
It's not just gonna be Kenosha.
benjamin stewart
You're right.
luke rudkowski
New York City, Los Angeles, Washington D.C., Chicago.
tim pool
So I'll tell you this, we got the mobile RV here, the studio.
Is the crew gonna be able to drive it back if riots erupt over the weekend?
Hopefully probably it's Texas to the east coast and I'm really driving through any big crazy cities or anything like that But mistrial with prejudice, I think if the judge says mistrial mistrial with prejudice.
I think we may actually get George Floyd level riots I'm just saying I think it's possible.
I'm not saying it's definitive and the reason is just It would send a message to the left That the judge is everything they feared, and he knows Rittenhouse is guilty, but he's gonna let them go, and that's gonna be their narrative, and they're gonna be like, it's worse.
It's worse than we realized.
It is the system is so corrupt, they will let them walk free, and then they'll be like, shut it down.
benjamin stewart
That would be the narrative.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
I'd like to see that, personally.
I don't know if I can bet on it, but it seems like that's what has happened, as a mistrial should be called.
tim pool
With prejudice.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Like, immediately, too, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It should have been done, first thing, this week, over the... They filed on the 15th.
The judge knew the evidence was not delivered.
He knew they're deliberating on tampered evidence.
That's crazy to me.
So the judge has to be ready for a mistrial with prejudice.
Do it on a Tuesday!
lydia smith
Yeah, middle of the week.
tim pool
So around a Friday?
lydia smith
At least it's colder outside, I guess.
tim pool
Yeah, that's true.
But L.A.
ian crossland
What's the weather this weekend?
That has something to do with it.
tim pool
Little Tales Farm says, Hey Tim, Jack Posobiec just said on Telegram that Kyle's defense lawyer says he believes it's a 6-6 deadlock with a jury just now.
unidentified
Hmm.
lydia smith
I've seen that, yeah.
ian crossland
How would they know that?
By eyeballing the jury when they're sitting there?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
That's a good point.
How would the defense know exactly?
lydia smith
Inside source?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Oh, it could be based on the memos coming out asking the judge.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
lydia smith
He was looking at the memos.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
A lot of people pointed this out.
All right.
Rionan Taka says, you're right, Tim.
Those programs are for specific purposes.
No reason to have them otherwise.
They're playing to the judge's tech ignorance, praying he sees through it and nukes them for it.
Disgusting.
There is an argument they want a mistrial, but without prejudice.
Or, if Binger really is the cult member ideologue, some people have accused him of being, he purposely wants to sabotage, trigger a mistrial with prejudice, to make... Now they should make a movie about that.
ian crossland
Change the names.
benjamin stewart
I've wondered whether it was, like, intentionally stupid.
Like, you know, the way he was going about it seemed intentionally stupid.
And I almost wondered, what's the angle of the judge to... What did he say?
Like, I don't believe you?
I don't believe you're acting in good faith?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
benjamin stewart
But I'm gonna allow it, is basically what happened.
So, I mean, he's probably... I hope he's a little bit more hip and he's letting something play out.
What was it in the Art of War that said, when your enemy's making a mistake, don't interrupt them?
I'm hoping that's it.
lydia smith
Yeah, I hope so.
tim pool
So, uh, Slenzer says mistrial without prejudice is bad for defense.
It's like taking off your shoes at TSA doesn't protect you from the next bad, uh, from the next thing bad actors do, but this will dramatically alter their use of the video evidence and the drone stuff.
It'll call everything Kraus did into question.
If there's a mistrial without prejudice and then they still investigate what Kraus did, it could result in just charges not being refiled for political reasons and practical reasons.
We have this other one, this is from Chet Chisolm, he says, Barnes mentioned that if it's a mistrial, then that means they may be trying to run Kyle's funds down to zero so he can't defend adequately.
I do not believe that's correct.
Because the prosecution knows that Kyle Rittenhouse is not just funded by himself.
This is the biggest, it's a high-profile trial, and if they did that, and the defense team for Rittenhouse came out and made a video and said, we need your support, they would raise two million bucks in ten minutes.
Yeah.
It's not an issue of funding.
Um, and maybe, it may be, but Rittenhouse, his team, they will have the support of the people because even the progressives have started acknowledging that it looked like self-defense.
They're like, maybe we're wrong about this and we were wrong about that.
You're going to get too many people being like, I will give you 50 bucks and then he's going to have all the funds for it.
And in fact, this may result in a bigger defense team.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, they should have Andrew Baranca advising them.
No joke.
And I was actually surprised they didn't.
lydia smith
Yeah, I thought they were going to.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Were they?
lydia smith
Yeah, I thought they were.
tim pool
He's the Law of Self-Defense guy.
We've had him on the show.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Excellent commentary.
He just has such great insight.
lydia smith
He's the expert.
tim pool
Yeah, he writes for Legal Insurrection.
You guys definitely want to check him out when it comes to cases like this.
He just... When I read a bunch of news articles and I get a bunch of words and I'm like, that's interesting.
When I read his, he like breaks down like the elements of self-defense and goes through the details and I'm like, That's just a better analysis, you know what I mean?
lydia smith
That's great, yeah.
tim pool
But I also like Rakeda Law's streams with all the lawyers, too, because, you know, then you're hearing from a lot of different people, and there's a bit of a, you know, here's this, here's that.
I wonder if, like, the defense can just get, like, a panel from Rakeda to, like, advise in the background, because then they'd win.
That's such a good idea.
It'd be, like, every legal point, every precedent.
benjamin stewart
Why wasn't that done?
I mean, like, I'm gonna say it one more time.
It's a high-profile case.
lydia smith
They're boomers.
benjamin stewart
Shouldn't that be the norm?
lydia smith
They're boomers.
They don't know what they're doing.
benjamin stewart
I hope that's... I don't know.
I don't know if I hope that's the case.
ian crossland
They're fluoridated.
Their third eye is calcified.
lydia smith
That's right.
Yeah, do some eye.
benjamin stewart
They need a darkroom retreat with Aubrey Marcus.
That's the truth.
ian crossland
I hear you did a movie about that.
benjamin stewart
Yeah.
tim pool
So now we're getting to the Super Chats where everyone was spamming, Luke is right, Tim shut up, Luke is 100% correct, listen Tim, Luke is right, let Luke speak the truth.
Truth to power.
Tim is right.
That's me!
lydia smith
You're advocating for me!
tim pool
Tim prefer here's one George Cruz as Tim prefers showing facts for his claims
We know gates controls, but show proof of his corruption at devil's advocate see you devil's advocate. That's me. You're
advocating for me What is this devil's advocate?
Carter stresses Tim getting ratioed in chat I know you're all seeing it, even Tim.
Tim, you're cranky, lack of sleep, you're being a bit of a Richard to Luke, chill out.
I will be fair, and I'll say this.
We did that really, really big show on Tuesday.
And I'm like, you know, sorting through all that.
I had to wake up super early so I could get my work done so I could go on Rogan.
So I did an hour and 40, an hour and 20 minutes in the morning.
three hours with Rogan and then three hours at night and then I wake up again to do the same thing and do an
hour with Jones and then do another three hours at night
and then I gotta wake up again tomorrow so truth be told I'm probably
unidentified
very drained.
luke rudkowski
Excuses! We all work hard!
That was yesterday, Tim.
We all work non-stop.
unidentified
We've seen each other for the first time in like 10 years.
luke rudkowski
Last year when he came and woke me up in my RV.
And this is the second time seeing him in like 10 years.
In very short instances.
benjamin stewart
If you keep it up, your voice is gonna start sounding like this.
tim pool
And now, to be fair, I was actually just reading all of the ones that were pro-Luke, but there are some that were pro-Tim.
Pagan Libertarian Milady says, you won't be able to wake people up like that, Luke.
Don't cast pearls before swine.
luke rudkowski
No-ish, Sherlock.
I know, but you've got to talk about solutions and them.
tim pool
Camel of the Mojave says, Luke, the average person is not going to wake up.
They aren't listening.
Build a strong community.
Tell the government, F off.
And the people around you, no free stuff.
The elites are the people chosen by the lazy common folk.
luke rudkowski
Well, you can't be too nihilistic.
You can't be too black-pilled and just think everyone's lazy and everyone's stupid.
That's the thinking of the elites.
That's the thinking that the elites want you to have.
The common man wants the best for him and his family or her and her family.
And I think if we could just understand that most people are good deep down.
They're not psychopathic people who hang out with Jeffrey Epstein and do unspeakable things to children in the name of some kind of weird multi-dimensional religion.
tim pool
Luke and I were in Korea and we did political compass tests and I was center left and he was like a mirror image like we were like inversions like right in the middle libertarian center left center right.
unidentified
Oh cool.
tim pool
I think that's a good example of what it is like I think we're actually both right but kind of not seeing exactly what it is and I got frustrated.
ian crossland
You get intense reverberations, and then the Casimir effect.
I think that's what causes gravity, I'm not sure.
benjamin stewart
There's also the danger of, like, typecasting all people and saying, that's not the way to do it, that's not the way to do it.
unidentified
You need both.
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
Absolutely.
benjamin stewart
That's the reason why, you know, like, Stewart Copeland and Sting, they hated one another, and Sting wanted a different kind of drum sound, and Stewart said no, and you got police coming out of it.
We need some of that.
tim pool
You know what we can just do?
It's very simple.
benjamin stewart
Start a band.
tim pool
Bill Gates sucks.
benjamin stewart
That's the name of the band.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
It's not just about me and Luke.
That's unfair.
We got a super chat here from David Tracy.
Says, Ian is completely right.
A new king solves nothing.
A Magna Carta that makes the king irrelevant solves plenty of problems, at least for a while.
So you know what?
There's more than enough of everyone here being right.
And we all get participation trophies.
lydia smith
That's right.
Thank you, Tim.
benjamin stewart
You get a sticker.
Who's that?
unidentified
I voted today.
My Gold Star sticker, yeah.
tim pool
John Boyle says, Bill Gates is evil, but I don't think he has this master plan to change the fabric of America.
And if there is this plan for the Great Reset, you think we would have any idea who developed this ingenious plan?
There is a plan.
I think him, Schwab, the Davos group, like you guys really got to take a look at what goes on in Davos for the World Economic Forum.
It's not just the World Economic Forum.
There's this big peripheral institution around it.
All these people show up, setting up pop-ups, boutiques, all promoting much of the exact same ideas.
So you have, this is crazy, like, I went to Davos during the World Economic Forum, I couldn't get into the actual thing, I was in the pop-ups.
But you actually have, like, on a mountain, basically, at the top, all of the global elites being like, here are the issues of the world, and we're talking, it's the World Economic Forum.
And then outside, you have, like, the nobles.
Who are all like, the kings are all correct, and let's bask, and they're walking around, and you've got high-ranking, you know, politicians, and the family members, and all that stuff, all laughing, and, you know, cheersing, and drinking, you know, beer outside of the palace.
And then, in far, far away, where the actual peasants are tilling the fields, they have no idea what's going on.
ian crossland
Mm-hmm.
They're walled out.
tim pool
I guess my point there is just that it's not just the royalty, it's the nobility that, you know, shuffles around underneath and then opens their mouths as a refuse pours from the palace.
ian crossland
The court, the king's court that lives within the castle and the castle grounds.
benjamin stewart
Also, everything they talk about makes some sense in the futuristic technological world that we're living in.
The last thing that I saw from them is they're talking about reshaping food systems from farm to lab as well, but basically using science and data to revolutionize whole food systems and to homogenize it.
So instead of having like individual, you know, groups being able to feed individual areas, every one across the board, if this goes through, will be run by a singular system.
Now that just seems like common sense in a world that does want some kind of global top-down rule.
We're moving into technocracy.
That's my opinion.
ian crossland
With food, that's dangerous to uniform food because if like a virus or a bacteria emerges that destroys a certain type of food or a fungus or something and then we've all we've created our entire system based on like a specific kind of potato that could be very dangerous.
benjamin stewart
They're talking about land use mainly they're talking about how do we use land you know will they get to the point where they're like let's take imminent domain to a global level and talk about how are we gonna feed by 2050 10 billion people which is their projections so they're they're already in the long game thinking of 2050.
tim pool
I'll give- Luke mentioned this but we have a super chat too.
Uncle Sam says my view on who to blame.
Look in the mirror.
Every one of us has a part in this.
Luke is right.
Vote with your money.
That means giving up conveniences.
It won't change until we ourselves change.
We have more power than we know.
V for Vendetta, you know.
If you're looking for the guilty party, and some are more guilty than others, you need only look into the mirror.
I know why you did it.
It's great.
It's well written.
It's amazing.
But yeah, it's regular people.
And that's why my view is very much like...
Change as many- it's grassroots.
And it's probably because I come from, you know, a more, like, lefty libertarian perspective where it's like, get as many of the working class and little people to share your idea, and then it affects the greater system above.
You know what I mean?
But I think, you know, I think we both made our points and we're both, like, probably in agreement with each other, just kind of, like, slightly on the other side.
Let's see, Monkey Wang says Alex Jones explains the Bill Gates situation better than Luke, and that's scary.
unidentified
Ooh.
tim pool
Well, Jones has been talking about it for a long time.
benjamin stewart
Monkey Wang.
tim pool
Well, going on, you know, I was on Infowars with Jones, and he would say things that sounded outlandish to me, and I'd be like, I don't know about that, and he'd be like, it's proven, it's confirmed, it's declassified, and I'd be like, okay.
And then he'd be like, anyway, moving on.
It's like, I don't know, I can't really say anything to something I don't know.
ian crossland
Sounds like Alex needs a Jamie.
No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
Like, his show is very in the weeds.
You know what I mean?
And for me to go on and hear these things for the first time that I've never fact-checked or looked into, but his audience all knows.
ian crossland
Oh, I'm looking.
I'm going to watch that.
That's going to be awesome.
Is that up already?
tim pool
I think so.
Yeah, because I think it goes out live, doesn't it?
lydia smith
Yeah, I thought it streamed.
unidentified
I'm not sure, though.
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
He gets a ridiculous amount of traffic.
People don't realize that.
They thought they obliterated it.
Like, they thought they banned him.
They canceled him.
And then I went and checked out Bandadot video, and he's got millions of views.
And I was like, wow.
You know, he was big before social media and he got massive and then they banned him and then he's still big.
It's like he's bigger than he was before social media.
He's not as big as he was when he was on the big platforms.
But he did an interview with me outside the house and it got half a million views in a day or something and I was just like, wow, man.
benjamin stewart
Wow.
ian crossland
I actually, whenever I post about him on social media now, I use hashtag.
I use at Ben Stewart because you have an account.
Because he gets banned, I'm just like hashtag Alex Jones.
It's good enough.
benjamin stewart
Totally.
ian crossland
Follow the hashtag.
He's become a hashtag now.
benjamin stewart
He also did a good job on Michael Malice's show.
He stayed calm.
luke rudkowski
On topic.
When did he go on and what did they argue about?
benjamin stewart
Well, I mean, to be honest, like I didn't get through more than 20 minutes because of my day wouldn't allow it.
But I mean, he started off Michael Malice was just like, I'm going to run through a bunch of first, I'm going to tell you conspiracy theory isn't just one thing.
A lot of people love making things like super simplistic.
But then he was like, you know, okay, Loch Ness Monster.
He was like, not real Bigfoot.
You know, I don't believe it.
You know, and then, you know, Gulf of Tonkin, and he went like a history buff, you know, into real good detail.
But he wasn't like, he wasn't Alex Jones.
I remember the first time when he started yelling into the microphone.
You know, he wasn't doing stuff like that.
They had a really chill conversation.
It was a good one.
ian crossland
You're welcome.
lydia smith
Michael Malice.
ian crossland
When was that?
benjamin stewart
Oh, man.
lydia smith
It was recently, right?
benjamin stewart
It was.
I mean, it was definitely after maybe a month after they were on this show last time.
And I think it was because of this show.
He was like, listen, I want to get you just one on one talking, you know, not with other people, just you bring the volume down.
And it was a really good show.
lydia smith
I've been so intrigued watching Alex Jones' ideas, because so many people discard him out of hand, and I'm like, I don't think you can safely do that.
I think that he should be an inspiration to kind of look into some of this stuff for yourself, because he says things that are true in a way that's very hyperbolic, and I think it turns some people off from it, but it's like, yo, you should check it out.
luke rudkowski
Well, everyone should be held accountable for their actions, and there's a lot to say about individuals and what they said before.
And I'll leave it at that.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
We'll just do a couple more here.
We'll go do a couple more.
lydia smith
Oh, it's 10 already.
unidentified
It is 10.
ian crossland
What a great show.
tim pool
All right, we got Jordan.
VT says, I agree with you, Tim, on the importance of building culture.
Disagreements happen in society, and demonstrating how to have a conversation with opposing views on your show can help build a stronger culture.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
I agree.
Neil Hamilton Jr.
says, Luke is right, in that the patterns of bad actors should be exposed.
Tim, you are correct, in that the way we do that matters.
Yeah, I think we're both right.
luke rudkowski
As long as you don't manipulate people in order to try to convince them that your side is better.
I think that's the big difference because, and that needs to be addressed here, because if you're thinking humanity is dumb and stupid and you need to manipulate them to think like you are, you're becoming what you're fighting and that's what I want to not do and that's why I think I had such a strong reaction towards this myself.
tim pool
So we got one more, and the only one we didn't get is the Ben is right, but this is... Tim's wrong, Luke's wrong, Ian's wrong, Lydia's right.
lydia smith
They got us, Lydia!
ian crossland
By the way, is Andrew Bronco like your uncle or something?
unidentified
No, no, we do look really similar.
tim pool
Uh, guys, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
We're gonna have a member segment.
We're talking about the National Guard and, like, I guess the threat of disbanding them or something.
ian crossland
That's wild.
tim pool
And we got some new data out of the UK as it pertains to COVID rates.
This is something that YouTube is, like, would maybe even ban us for talking about.
And this is scientific data.
That's how scary it is, what's going on.
But we'll talk about that stuff.
So go to TimCast.com, become a member.
Don't forget to smash the like button, subscribe to the channel.
Thanks so much for supporting our work.
We endeavor to create a space where it's authentic, I guess, real.
lydia smith
We swear a lot.
It's good times.
tim pool
Well, no, I don't mean the members.
I just mean for the show in general.
lydia smith
That's true.
tim pool
I'm not going to pretend I believe something for the sake of trying to make money.
I don't care.
I don't want to do that.
But I really appreciate all of you guys who watch and give us your support and appreciate what we do.
So you can follow the show at TimCastIRL, you can follow me at TimCast basically everywhere.
Do you want to shout anything out, Ben?
benjamin stewart
Yeah, so I just premiered here in Austin a film with Aubrey Marcus.
He's a really cool influencer, but he did Seven Days in Darkness just to see what he could see.
And the film is out now, AubreyMarcus.com.
We really go into it with a film that's like an initiation.
We recreate some of the visions, like the DMT visions that he had in there.
And it's, let me just end on this.
When you do go into darkness, something does happen with your pineal gland, your circadian rhythm, and endogenous DMT.
And that's why I'm wearing the DMT Quest shirt.
You guys should watch DMT Quest documentary on YouTube.
And then go to benjosephstewart.com, sign up, become a member.
I'd love you forever.
tim pool
Are we gonna do like a documentary or something?
benjamin stewart
Welcome to the machine.
I got Charles Eisenstein right now helping with like the future of where technology could go.
And so yeah, I got some really good people working on that, but because I was working on the Aubrey Marcus film, I haven't made much headway past development.
tim pool
I want to do something on DMT.
I want to do, like, I really want to explore that and get, you know, deep and big and long, like two hours.
I want someone to go down to the shamans in South America and like...
lydia smith
Like a toad or something?
tim pool
No, no, no.
I just mean, like, I want to know everything there is to know about the research and the culture and what they've been doing, what they've discovered with it.
DMT, I think, may be one of the most fascinating things to me.
benjamin stewart
Yeah, it is.
You know what?
Like, this guy, John Chavez, DMT Quest, let's talk about that afterwards.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, there's a lot of fraud.
There's also a lot of fraud shamans out there, so be careful with that.
But there's also prisons in Brazil using DMT.
to help prisoners get over uh you know being murderers and other there's crazy stories surrounding it but to to what you were saying maybe this is why space is is is so dark uh but that's another thing but i remember watching your movies all the way back in in the 2000s what was it climatica and then was what was the other one Esoteric agenda.
Esoteric agenda.
That was the one.
I was like, whoa, that's really cool.
I got to get to know you.
We got to know each other.
It's good to see you again.
Thank you so much for coming on.
I wish I would have brought my Bill Gates is not a medical doctor t-shirt to Austin.
Sadly, I didn't.
But if you want yours, you can get it on thebestpoliticalshorts.com.
And of course, I have a YouTube channel where I was translating German once again on my YouTube channel, which you definitely want to watch.
I had a lot of fun doing that on youtube.com forward slash we are change.
Thanks for having me.
Great debate.
Let's go.
Let's keep let's keep.
Let's keep sharpening the what is it?
Iron or?
ian crossland
Yes, whatever.
The iron is hot and now is the time to temper it.
And that is what we are doing here with you.
You are amazing people.
Thank you for being here and chatting and letting us know what you think and being part of this great journey.
benjamin stewart
I'm so happy to be here, too.
ian crossland
I love you, Ben.
benjamin stewart
I'm just gonna say that.
I love y'all.
lydia smith
Thanks, Ben.
tim pool
Thanks for coming, man.
It's always a blast.
ian crossland
If you want to check out my website, it's iancrossland.net, and I will catch you guys later.
lydia smith
Yeah, and I just want to leave you guys with a thought that Carl Jung had, which is that people don't have ideas, ideas have people.
People like Bill Gates and George Soros are living out an idea that we're better off understanding before we try to attack the symptoms of the idea.
luke rudkowski
And Linda, you want to go at it?
I will not hold back.
That's not fair.
You're trying to throw in a sucker punch.
benjamin stewart
Put that for the record.
luke rudkowski
Linda's throwing sucker punches.
She's not even changing the camera on me.
She's been passive-aggressively not changing the camera on me this whole time in Austin.
lydia smith
I'm so disappointed in you, Linda.
luke rudkowski
I'm disappointed.
benjamin stewart
I'm mad at you.
lydia smith
Hey, just let me get my last word in.
I'm just kidding.
You guys can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids.
tim pool
We will see you all at TimCast.com in the members segment.
Thanks for hanging out.
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