Sept. 30, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| The Democrats have introduced a bill that would require proof of vaccination, a negative | ||
| test or proof of recovery for domestic flights. | ||
| This is already alongside the $3.5 trillion spending bill, which has VAX mandate enforcement in it. | ||
| And I'll tell you this, I don't see Republicans doing anything to stop it. | ||
| So it seems very likely and perhaps a bit, I don't want to say pessimistic, maybe just realistic, That this is what's going to happen. | ||
| And I'm willing to bet by the time 2022 comes around, maybe the Republicans come in and they win the House. | ||
| We are already going to have these laws on the books or something to this effect. | ||
| It's going to be handed down by edict. | ||
| And it's going to further erode this country. | ||
| There's some polling data we got we'll get into in the show talking about how basically both Democrat voters and Republican voters want the other to secede from the union or basically just peaceful divorce this country. | ||
| And so we'll be able to talk a bit about that. | ||
| We're going to talk about New Hampshire, the independence movement, as I guess some people prefer to call it, but secession. | ||
| And we're being joined by Jeremy Kaufman, founder and CEO of Library and board member of the Free State Project. | ||
| It's great to be here with you, Tim. | ||
| You want to just quickly introduce yourself? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| So the Free State Project is the most successful libertarian movement in the world. | ||
| It's the best attempt, it's the best chance that we have to actually achieve liberty in our lifetime, and I'm going to talk to you about why that's possible. | ||
| And then I'm also a founder of the technology that I think is the next generation | ||
| to the sort of Web 2.0 world. | ||
| And it fixes a lot of the messed up stuff that's been happening with big tech. | ||
| And that's a company called Library, LBRY. | ||
| Although that's a decentralized open source technology, the easiest way to use it is odyssey.com. | ||
| And you're on there as well, Tim. | ||
| Although you're not on there live, so this is YouTube only right now. | ||
| But all of your content is available on odyssey.com. | ||
| And it was used by more than 40 million people last month. | ||
| So it's growing very fast. | ||
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| Well, we gotta talk about censorship too, because YouTube censored Ron Paul. | ||
| And they said, oops! | ||
| We didn't mean to do that. | ||
| And he's now doing exclusives on Odyssey. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| And they also announced they're banning any anti-vaxx content, so they banned a bunch of people, mentions of the person's name. | ||
| It's crazy stuff. | ||
| So, we'll get into all that stuff. | ||
| Thanks for coming, and we definitely gotta talk about New Hampshire. | ||
| We got Ian. | ||
| Odyssey is fantastic. | ||
| We're looking at what the Fediverse build out that we're doing with this metaverse is using Odyssey as one of, or library technology as part of like a possible server to host your content for your own, so you can kind of have access and control your own stuff. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's the future. | ||
| And the thing is like a lot of these other ones, like they are alternatives, like they're literally trying to clone. | ||
| We're not trying to clone. | ||
| We've built something that's better than what comes before. | ||
| It's genuinely different. | ||
| It's all open source. | ||
| It's all decentralized. | ||
| It has the properties of Bitcoin, where you own your following, you own your channel. | ||
| We've handcuffed ourselves. | ||
| It's not possible for things to play out the same way that they've played out on the web 2.0 big tech world. | ||
| And the other side of the equation is I feel like a monkey in a cage, and they're experimenting on me, and if I start screaming and banging on the glass, they're gonna ask me to step aside and step out of public view, so I'm gonna stay calm. | ||
| But I do feel like that, just putting it on record. | ||
| Chicken in a chicken coop. | ||
| Yep, I think we should all stay calm tonight, but I'm really excited about tonight's conversation because the New Hampshire thing is big news, and seeing how many people are in favor of the other side seceding is kind of refreshing, actually, so. | ||
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| Let's read this first story from TimCast.com. | ||
| Senator Feinstein introduces bill to require proof of vaccine, negative test, or documentation of recovery for domestic flights. | ||
| The U.S. | ||
| Air Travel Public Safety Act would order the Department of Health and Human Services and the Federal Aviation Administration to develop national vaccination verification standards and procedures. | ||
| The text of the act says that it is necessary to reduce passenger, crew member and airport | ||
| personnel risk of exposure to COVID-19, decrease the risk of transmission of COVID-19 on board | ||
| aircraft in the United States and to United States destination communities through air | ||
| travel and protect children and other vulnerable individuals by preventing further spread of | ||
| COVID-19 in the US. | ||
| Under the bill, a passenger would have to provide the air carrier with documentation | ||
| demonstrating they are fully vaccinated, provide proof of negative pre departure or alternatively | ||
| written or electronic documentation of recovery from COVID-19 after previous infection. | ||
| Alright, well that last part at least I can give some respect to but across the board | ||
| I just don't have much respect for this at all. | ||
| I think it doesn't go far enough. | ||
| Let's put a scale, like there, when you check in. | ||
| Let's just check people's BMI. | ||
| If it's too high, you can't get on the plane. | ||
| I mean, it's about saving lives. | ||
| Actually, you're right. | ||
| So there's actually an issue with overweight people on airplanes. | ||
| Because when an individual comes on a plane, there's a load manifest. | ||
| I used to work with these. | ||
| And you write down average weight of cargo. | ||
| Depending on how many people are in the plane and how much cargo, uh, how much luggage in the plane, the pilot has to behave differently and move people. | ||
| Sometimes there were issues where there was like very little, uh, luggage and they're like, okay, that's going to displace the weight and put all the weight in the front. | ||
| So they'd actually ask people to move, to even out that weight, things like that. | ||
| So yes, people would complain because they'd be like, sir, you're overweight. | ||
| You have to occupy two seats because we can't have the displacement on the plane this way. | ||
| People didn't like it. | ||
| So are they allowed to like, if someone has the flu, can they not fly? | ||
| You can fly sick. | ||
| You always have been able to. | ||
| It's kind of a dick move, but I guess some people, you know, are in a bind and they can kick you off a plane for any reason. | ||
| Their plane. | ||
| Private company. | ||
| Well, they're not. | ||
| I mean, that's what we're seeing is they're not, right? | ||
| I mean, there's an example of companies that aren't really private companies. | ||
| it's airlines, right? | ||
| They're not. | ||
| The fact that the government can do this is an example of how | ||
| they're not remotely private companies. | ||
| If we had private flight, think about how awesome it would be. | ||
| Not that Megabus is like the most awesome experience. | ||
| It would be way closer to Megabus. | ||
| There'd be tens of thousands of airports. | ||
| You'd drive out to the middle of nowhere. | ||
| You'd get on the plane 20 minutes after you got there. | ||
| You wouldn't have to show ID to anyone. | ||
| There'd be all kinds of flights. | ||
| It would be way more decentralized. | ||
| Some random pilot can, you know, rent a plane and fly you places. | ||
| That's what a free market in air flight would look like. | ||
| We don't have anything that remotely looks like a free market. | ||
| You'd also be standing up. | ||
| So they've actually experimented with this. | ||
| There are seats where you're slightly sitting down. | ||
| They're like straight up and they have a little hump on it where you can lean against, but you stand the whole time. | ||
| And they're like, we can get way more people on the planes if we do this. | ||
| Well, I mean, you know what? | ||
| Like that can feel awkward and distant, but just give people choices. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| Like if people want to fly on a flight where everyone is vaccinated, let the market provide that service. | ||
| If people don't give a shit, Let the market provide that service. | ||
| When the government is stepping in and saying this is the way that planes have to run, that's not a choice. | ||
| That's the government coming in, the gun in the room and saying you have to operate your airlines this way. | ||
| You could do a roller coaster flight as long as it's safe where every so often the plane just drops a little bit and then keeps going and drops as long as it's safe and then you get the roller coaster feel on your flight, you know? | ||
| That'd be fun. | ||
| Yeah, if people... Why don't they do vax and no-vax flights? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it's public health. | ||
| We don't want to spread COVID. | ||
| Travel should not be privatized, in my opinion. | ||
| The roads, the railroads, the planes should not be privatized. | ||
| Because someone can be like, no, you can't travel because I don't like you. | ||
| I don't like what your dad said to me 20 years ago. | ||
| You're never allowed. | ||
| And then he's like, all his friends that own all the other companies are like, yeah, okay. | ||
| Him and his family forever. | ||
| That's a problem of monopolization. | ||
| Which is maybe an argument for roads, but I don't think it's an argument against planes because planes, it's so easy. | ||
| There's so much space. | ||
| We're not running out of space. | ||
| There's no monopoly on it. | ||
| There can be, there's no reason there shouldn't be a hundred thousand possible ways that you could fly. | ||
| You know, like think about how many people are Uber drivers. | ||
| Flying would look like Uber, much closer to Uber. | ||
| Not necessarily where you're getting on your plane in 10 minutes, but it would look much closer to that where you have this vast variety of providers. | ||
| It's heavily centralized in a small number of companies because the federal government made it work that way. | ||
| Well, they actually are doing like Uber for planes. | ||
| There's companies where it's a private plane, and then you basically say, I'm going to this place. | ||
| The FAA shut some of these down, by the way. | ||
| Oh, wow, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a story to check out. | ||
| There were some successful companies doing this. | ||
| The FAA came in and said, that's illegal. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Sounds right. | ||
| Well, that's the government, I guess. | ||
| I guess they think of planes as weapons. | ||
| Because they're so big and move so fast, they can cause destruction if they ram into stuff. | ||
| So they're treating them kind of like dangerous weapons. | ||
| What this basically means, what they're doing, is all putting pressure on anyone who opposes their agenda. | ||
| Because, you know, for the most part, most people are like, the vaccine's fine, I guess. | ||
| But it's really a decision between you and your doctor. | ||
| That's what they're eliminating. | ||
| They're taking your private choice out of the equation, and they're doing it in a way that most people are probably fine with. | ||
| And what I mean by that is, most people are like, I get it, vaccines are fine. | ||
| They see the data, they see the news, there's an argument, some people don't like it. | ||
| But for the most part, they're like, well, you know, I get it, right? | ||
| There's a pandemic, there's a crisis, you want to get a vaccine, fine. | ||
| The problem is, they always use issues like this to erode your rights. | ||
| They're never gonna come out and demand you do something ridiculous, like, you can no longer have shoes, and people would be like, what? | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| No, they do something where they're like, in this one instance where it seems reasonable, you'll agree with us, and then once you give us the ability, we'll do it for everything. | ||
| So this is gonna turn into a negative test. | ||
| But then it's gonna turn into a negative test for everything. | ||
| Then it's gonna be like, you can't travel if you're sick in any way. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| 15 days to slow the spread just because we don't want to overload the hospitals, but we know it's going to be here. | ||
| 15 days is all we need. | ||
| They want to stop people from flying. | ||
| It's gone so haywire. | ||
| Look, AOC said they wanted to stop people from flying. | ||
| That was part of the Green New Deal. | ||
| And it seems like, I'll tell you this, they're exploiting a crisis in every way possible. | ||
| To stop people from using... Look. | ||
| The market's collapsing. | ||
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| We've got economic crisis. | ||
| Money being printed like crazy. | ||
| People are fleeing cities. | ||
| Shipping containers all jammed up in California, unable to come in. | ||
| They don't want you buying stuff. | ||
| They don't want you making stuff. | ||
| They don't want you burning fuels. | ||
| They don't want you flying on planes. | ||
| They don't want you driving. | ||
| And so you got all these people in the cities locked in their little cubicle apartments, losing their minds. | ||
| Well, I think one aspect of this is, like, politics is about tribal dominance. | ||
| And the best way to dominate someone else is when you can say, this is actually for the good of everyone. | ||
| And that's why this situation has reached this kind of front. | ||
| Democrats want to dominate Republicans, Republicans want to dominate Democrats and this gives the Democrats a chance to dominate the others in this way that is ostensibly pro-social But it's really about punishing people that they don't like and I will I'll say this is also why the free state movement is so important is because Libertarians need their own tribe and it's not working nationally Libertarians need their own tribe as well But right now a lot of this is it's about tribal dominance and the fact that it's about public health I think that's pretend | ||
| Well, the problem with libertarianism is that people are individualist. | ||
| Collectivists naturally have people who will get behind them and say, just tell me what to do and I'm down. | ||
| Whereas libertarians are mostly like, don't you tell me what to do. | ||
| So have you found like decentralized methods to unify individuals? | ||
| Well, the free state movement is pretty decentralized. | ||
| So I'll give it like a little bit of legalese here. | ||
| The Free State Project, which is the organization that I'm representing, all we are is the marketing department. | ||
| We don't engage politically. | ||
| All we do is try to talk about how awesome New Hampshire is for libertarians. | ||
| The Free State Project is 1 100th of what the Free State Movement represents. | ||
| So I'm like BLM, Inc. | ||
| And then you've got the Free State Movement, right? | ||
| Like when someone puts that BLM sign and decides to hold a rally, they didn't consort with BLM, Inc. | ||
| They just did it on their own. | ||
| And so most of what happens in New Hampshire is bottom up. | ||
| It's decentralized. | ||
| Is there fighting between some of the libertarians? | ||
| Of course there is. | ||
| You can't get three libertarians in a room without them You know, fighting each other. | ||
| But I think it's by far the most successful libertarian movement out there. | ||
| And the nature of it is it selects for people that want to win. | ||
| It doesn't select for people who want to be popular online or want to go into their D.C. | ||
| crowd and be friendly with people that are their enemies or that want to dominate them. | ||
| It selects for people who want to actually achieve, who actually want to win. | ||
| And I don't think you're going to find a movement that's much more effective. | ||
| Have you experimented with like decentralized voting for localized voting, like on apps and things like that, and finance with tokens and things like that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I love that stuff. | ||
| Of course, you'd have to actually change New Hampshire laws to get that. | ||
| One thing that does exist in New Hampshire, because there's like seriously like a hundred different organizations that play these kinds of bottom up roles, and I'll give you an example of one that's related to that. | ||
| There's a group called Liberty Ballot. | ||
| I hate voting. | ||
| I think voting's dumb. | ||
| I don't want to vote, honestly. | ||
| I like the idea. | ||
| My ideal society is that of restaurants. | ||
| I have no say on what's on the menu, but I have the choice of where I want to eat. | ||
| Competitive dictatorship. | ||
| But I want to support free status, so I vote when I'm in New Hampshire. | ||
| I don't pay attention to politicians. | ||
| I go onto a website called Liberty Ballot. | ||
| It's run by freestaters. | ||
| Freestaters do the job of parsing all the candidates and saying these are the liberty ones and I go in and I just check the box for who they tell me to vote for. | ||
| And so there's like so many institutions and organizations like this that are filling all these roles that make the movement successful. | ||
| That sounds crazy to me. | ||
| Like, not knowing who you're voting for? | ||
| Well, I trust the people who researched it. | ||
| You can't, I mean, like, it's no different than any other consumer decision. | ||
| Like, I don't know everything about the, you know, I trust reviews. | ||
| I trust things that I trust. | ||
| Like, people trust you, right? | ||
| You say something on your show, they trust you. | ||
| They know that you're authentic and real and honest, and they trust what you say. | ||
| So, you know, so someone, if your friend says, hey, this guy's a really good guy, Yeah, vote for him. | ||
| You trust what your friend says. | ||
| That's usually because I'm like, you guys got to make sure you fact check this one and do your own research. | ||
| You shouldn't just blindly follow. | ||
| And they'd say the same thing. | ||
| And if they get it wrong, there are people who will criticize them in forums and stuff like that. | ||
| It's not a process without feedback. | ||
| But like, I don't want to pay attention to politics, right? | ||
| That's not my thing. | ||
| I think politics is mostly dumb. | ||
| I mean, I want to win, so I have to engage in it, right? | ||
| But I don't really like politics. | ||
| And so if someone else that I trust is willing to do that research and identify the candidates that share my values, you know, why not outsource it? | ||
| Why not free read? | ||
| Peer review is very powerful for anonymous social media. | ||
| If you want to be anonymous online, but you have enough peers that can verify that based on what your account's doing, that that is Ian Crosland, then you can kind of trust that it's me without knowing who I am. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what identity is. | ||
| Identity is all statements that other people make, right? | ||
| Like my ID is the New Hampshire government saying that I'm Jeremy Coffman. | ||
| Let's make the case for a free state project, maybe in a way it wouldn't be your first go-to. | ||
| Let me pull up this story. | ||
| This is from CNN. | ||
| The workers who keep global supply chains moving are warning of a system collapse. | ||
| Seafarers, truck drivers, airline workers have endured quarantines, travel restrictions, and complex COVID-19 vaccination and testing requirements to keep stretched supply chains moving during the pandemic. | ||
| In an open letter Wednesday to heads of state attending the United Nations General Assembly, the International Chamber of Shipping, and other industry groups warned of a global transport system collapse if governments do not restore freedom of movement to transport workers and give them priority to receive vaccines recognized by the World Health Organization. | ||
| We got trucker shortages here. | ||
| We got them in the UK. | ||
| The idea that you will be able to just float in this system and things are going to go like normal, like you can walk to the grocery store and there are your strawberries, is a joke. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| People need to start being responsible for themselves because they are telling us the system is collapsing. | ||
| But I got one more for you from TimCast.com. | ||
| 82% of Americans are scared that supply chain issues will ruin their life plans. | ||
| Alright then. | ||
| 82% of people already know this. | ||
| Well, here's an option. | ||
| You can get 100 acres in New Hampshire for like 200 grand. | ||
| And then just start getting to it. | ||
| Start working. | ||
| The Free State Project is social security for people who don't believe in social security. | ||
| So what do you think is going to happen if... I mean, what's the ultimate goal? | ||
| Free State, New Hampshire secedes, or what? | ||
| So the project takes no stance on secession. | ||
| So the idea is, again, just get people here. | ||
| I think, and I'm not giving my personal opinion, I'm totally cool with secession. | ||
| I would love it if it happens. | ||
| I think there's a huge opportunity to simply push nullification, right? | ||
| Like, nullification gets done a lot. | ||
| What's the most successful anarchist or libertarian movement in the United States? | ||
| Anyone want to venture a guess? | ||
| No, what is it? | ||
| The Amish. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Amish don't pay Social Security. | ||
| What, really? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Because the 200,000 of them got together and said, screw you. | ||
| We're not doing it. | ||
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| The Amish don't have to participate in the draft. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| They're the only organization, they're the only people exempt from the draft. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when you have a, you know, there's an aspect of government that's like very much sour grapes in terms of what it wants to control. | ||
| And by that, I mean, if the, if the government can't control something, it acts like it never wanted to. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And so if you have enough people who are willing to get together and say, no, screw you. | ||
| People started their own city in Seattle and there was not the government will to go in and control it. | ||
| Well, until they went to the mayor's house. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But if you get enough people together in one place and they're willing to say, screw you. | ||
| The federal government is not going to wage a civil war. | ||
| And so I think if you want to achieve secession, which I'm totally cool with. | ||
| This is not like an anti-secession. | ||
| I support it. | ||
| But you can do a lot of things. | ||
| You can say, well, we're not going to participate in these federal programs. | ||
| We're not going to give you this money. | ||
| We're not going to collect income tax from New Hampshire residents. | ||
| And you can play this sort of game of brinksmanship where you're pushing it on them to do something. | ||
| Well, the reason I ask about secession is, you know, watching what happened, what we're seeing in the economy, right? | ||
| People need to understand that the M1 money stock is just skyrocketing. | ||
| They opened up savings accounts so that everyone can use savings like checking. | ||
| They removed the reserve requirements. | ||
| Apparently, we're just finding this out from Bob Murphy, they removed reserve requirements for giving out loans, which means banks can literally just be like, here's money! | ||
| Whatever! | ||
| We have no idea. | ||
| Yeah, the system's on fire, right? | ||
| Now, here's what happens. | ||
| We have a lot of people who watch, and their attitude is, the system is too comfortable for me to do anything differently, right? | ||
| I don't want to stand up and risk my family and my house and my job. | ||
| I got kids to feed, so I'm not going to put them at risk for a political cause. | ||
| But I think all that they're really saying is, I will not prepare for what is happening right before me. | ||
| So I just want to ask you, like, what do you think happens to a New Hampshire in the event of a breakdown of economic trade lines? | ||
| I mean, are people there going to just farm their own food and be self-sufficient or what? | ||
| I mean, I think I think New Hampshire could be self-sufficient if if necessary. | ||
| I think self-sufficiency doesn't have to mean that you're doing everything yourself. | ||
| It's about like it can also be part of having a network to do that. | ||
| And there's a huge agorism community, there are a bunch of farms in New Hampshire, | ||
| there are a bunch of people who are doing their own thing. | ||
| And I'll say to your point about people not wanting to stand up, | ||
| I have some sympathy to that. | ||
| It's hard to go first. | ||
| But one of the things you can do is get together with 10,000 other people who all want to go 10,000, right? | ||
| And then you can all act together, right? | ||
| Or just go to New Hampshire now because a bunch of people are already there. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You'll have a better life immediately. | ||
| You'll get to live with people who share your values. | ||
| By far the greatest density of libertarians in the entire world. | ||
| And if there's ever going to be something that happens, you're there. | ||
| You're going to be a part of it. | ||
| And I'm not trying to knock people. | ||
| I think people who are willing to be brave, who are willing to put their head on the line, I think they're awesome, and a lot of these people are my heroes, my personal heroes. | ||
| But if you're saying, like, hey, I don't want to be that guy, but I still want to win, Free State Project's also a very good choice, you know, because you'll still get to be a part of it, but you don't have to be the very first guy and get your head chopped off. | ||
| So let's take a look at the economy from a more libertarian perspective, I guess. | ||
| Your thoughts on everything I mentioned about the banking system, what they've been doing. | ||
| Obviously, Ian talks about the Fed a lot. | ||
| We criticize the system, but what's your view of what's going on with this? | ||
| I mean, I think it's very messed up. | ||
| I think it's clear that there's, like, a lot of inflation happening. | ||
| I mean, as a libertarian, like, my perspective on this is, like, you want free banking. | ||
| You want a competition in currencies. | ||
| Like, let the best currency win. | ||
| and allow there to be competition in terms of how currencies are going to be provided | ||
| and how they work. | ||
| I mean, I think there's all kinds of interesting things you can do with money beyond even Bitcoin | ||
| that can't be done because of government regulation. | ||
| I think David, like David Friedman, had some very interesting ideas about how to design | ||
| free money that was like stable and track the price of goods going back to the 70s. | ||
| Those could be done on the blockchain and there's all kinds of things that you could | ||
| But there's no doubt that the system is very messed up as to what degree it collapses. | ||
| I mean, I'm not an economist, so I'm not going to venture that, but I think it's clear that there is like a house of cards type situation here, and to what degree it collapses, you know, I don't know. | ||
| Usually all at once. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially when you look at the way... Gradually, then suddenly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It looks like, yes, it is collapsing, but it also looks like it's being demolished with this behavior of shutting down the entire, almost the entire economy, a large percentage of it, and mass printing of money. | ||
| That's like a demolition move. | ||
| So I would imagine, like you said, all at once. | ||
| Well, there's that meme where they say the carbon they're trying to reduce is you. | ||
| Have you ever seen that? | ||
| No, I'm seeing so many people in prominent positions that don't understand you can recollect the carbon from the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and turn it into graphene. | ||
| Maybe that's not the issue, Ian. | ||
| The global warming stuff is no different than the COVID stuff, right? | ||
| Like the people who push it, and I'm not trying to say like global warming is real, but like the people who push it, they're pushing it for reasons of dominating other people. | ||
| And that's why the focus is so much on the communism aspects. | ||
| That's why they don't care about nuclear power. | ||
| That's why they don't care about removing carbon from the environment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's why they don't care. | ||
| Because it's not about that. | ||
| That's not why they care. | ||
| I mean, they're like, wow, this is a problem. | ||
| And here's what ends up happening. | ||
| They say, okay, climate change is a problem, right? | ||
| We've got a whole lot of people cranking out a whole lot of waste. | ||
| Mercury in the waters, dead zones, bugs disappearing, all this stuff because humans are affecting the planet. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| Well, we can reduce carbon in the atmosphere. | ||
| We can clean up our oceans. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, but that doesn't stop the human behavior. | ||
| It won't change the fact that humans are expanding, are growing, and eating, and consuming, and wasting. | ||
| So how do you stop it in the long run? | ||
| And they say, authoritarianism. | ||
| Take away their stuff. | ||
| Don't let them live the way they want to live. | ||
| Convince them to live a certain way that you want them to live, because we're right. | ||
| The problem is, as much as we can look at a lot of the global problems and be like, yeah, these are bad things, you know, like climate change is bad, the dead zones in the ocean, the constant droughts, whatever you want to attribute these things to, these are bad things affecting us, and we need to be better in tune with our environment. | ||
| Why should we blindly trust other people who just think they're smarter or better? | ||
| That's ultimately the problem. | ||
| There was a quote we read, I forgot the guy's name, maybe you guys know, where he was like, if, you know, humans are so dumb that they need a special class to rule them, how are these individuals who claim to be better actually any better than the people they claim are too stupid to rule themselves? | ||
| So what ends up happening is they say the solution isn't to pull carbon from the atmosphere. | ||
| The solution is stop the chickens from taking a dump in their water or just get rid of those chickens that are taking a dump in their water. | ||
| It's honestly just like COVID. | ||
| COVID's real and it kills people. | ||
| Is the debate and discussion around COVID actually about preventing that? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Like climate change is real and it's going to cause changes and potentially harm to our environment. | ||
| Is the way that climate change is discussed and the way the policies that are being proposed, is it about solving that problem? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's about preventing the problem rather than treating the problem. | ||
| The problem is here. | ||
| The problem is not going away. | ||
| You can't stop people from pooping. | ||
| They're going to keep pooping. | ||
| You got to reuse it. | ||
| Unless there's less people. | ||
| Technically, but that doesn't scale because there will always be more people. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Well, they will continue to reproduce unless you sterilize the population and make clones forever. | ||
| That's not true, Ian. | ||
| I believe in the United States they're below replacement now. | ||
| We are, yeah. | ||
| And Japan's been below replacement for some time. | ||
| Greece and Europe, yeah, most of the West is below replacement. | ||
| Free-staters are above replacement. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| What is it globally? | ||
| You don't know? | ||
| Freedom for freedom. | ||
| Are you joking or what? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I got three. | ||
| I'm doing my part. | ||
| I'm kind of looking at like the ocean cleanup. | ||
| This is Boyan Slat's project in the Pacific. | ||
| They're cleaning up the great garbage patch, the gyre. | ||
| And they did this. | ||
| It's on my Twitter page. | ||
| This amazing. | ||
| They found all this trash. | ||
| This is from one run. | ||
| And it's not even from America. | ||
| This is from the middle of the Pacific Ocean and they dumped it. | ||
| And he was like, we're 160,000th of the way there. | ||
| We're going to clean this up. | ||
| And that's like 80 years away. | ||
| If this doesn't even scale, which it will. | ||
| And the problem is that garbage didn't come from America. | ||
| It came from the entire planet. | ||
| It came from our species. | ||
| It mostly comes from China and India and Southeast Asia. | ||
| And that part, we know that. | ||
| So there's no stopping this from happening. | ||
| We're going to keep dumping in the water. | ||
| It's not we, it's China. | ||
| I'm saying humans are going to continue to dump in the water. | ||
| We just need to figure out how to reuse the stuff. | ||
| I think you need to be more specific because when Greta Thunberg comes out and looks at one of the countries with the most environmentalists and says, how dare you? | ||
| and doesn't talk about China and India and these other countries that are just polluting like crazy, we're not going to solve the problem. | ||
| Especially if China's 1.4 billion people, the United States and the West, who are actually environmentally conscious and the ones leading the charge against climate change, they're in decline. | ||
| To be honest, if I have to be the world's custodian, I'll do it. | ||
| I don't want to clean up everyone else's mess, but if that means that's what we need to do to survive, I'll do it. | ||
| The problem is, Ian, you can't legislate for China. | ||
| No. | ||
| You can communicate, though. | ||
| So in the United States, where we already ban plastic straws, even though we're not contributing, for the most part, to these big garbage patches, and then we go to China and these international agreements and say, you agree not to do this. | ||
| They say, you bet. | ||
| We agree not to do this. | ||
| And they say, we don't care. | ||
| We're not going to listen to them. | ||
| We're going to do whatever we want. | ||
| Yeah, well, in a way, waste can become very profitable, because if you can break down the plastic back into sugar or into oil, you can reuse it, so it becomes a commodity. | ||
| I think that's a way to spark cleanup. | ||
| Are they, and I'm not a climate scientist, are they related? | ||
| Like, litter and waste is not necessarily the thing that's causing Climate change, isn't climate change mostly being driven by the use of fossil fuels? | ||
| Yeah, mostly methane and carbon dioxide, I think, which is mostly carbon. | ||
| CH4 is methane. | ||
| I think the issue with climate change is that it's a very specific claim, very narrowed down to Humans producing too much carbon, causing the climate to change, when the real thing we talk about, because we had Chris Martinson on, is just ecosystem stresses and potential collapse. | ||
| Look, climate change, I get it. | ||
| But it's one facet of, we have dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico, where chemical runoff creates this patch with no oxygen in the water, so nothing lives. | ||
| We have fisheries that are so overfished that jellyfish are coming in, and then the people start eating jellyfish, which is kind of gross, but I guess they do. | ||
| These are the problems we face, you know, the windshield phenomenon, bug populations being decimated, colony collapse disorder, bees or pollinators are disappearing. | ||
| It is not just the one thing. | ||
| It is, in my view, when you get eight billion people Consuming and producing tons of waste, even though we still have massive amounts of space on this planet where humans aren't, you still have a disproportionate amount of waste that isn't being absorbed by the ecosystem quickly enough. | ||
| That's the big issue. | ||
| Now, how we solve that? | ||
| Well, it would be great if we had like a real Green New Deal, you know, in my opinion, where it was actually like, hey, we all agree to like stop spending money on dumb wars and stuff, and then decide to just hire people and do nuclear energy investment and energy research and fusion. | ||
| Instead, the only thing we can get is, for one, Republicans are totally opposed to this, and it'll never happen to Republicans. | ||
| And then when the Democrats finally come around, AOC is like, I propose a Green New Deal. | ||
| And I'm like, OK, I'm listening. | ||
| And she goes, free college for minorities. | ||
| And I'm like, what? | ||
| That's making the problem worse. | ||
| If you're complaining about America producing too much carbon and then you're saying bring in more people into America where they will use more carbon, the left is literally just arguing to make the problem worse and there is almost no one in this country saying we should have more nuclear energy. | ||
| We should have modern advancements in nuclear. | ||
| So what do we end up with? | ||
| Yeah, the planet's still in trouble. | ||
| Humans are a disproportionate force on this planet, and it's not going to get done through the Democrats because they're too worried about minorities not getting healthcare, I guess. | ||
| It's not going to get done by either of them. | ||
| And it's not going to get done by the Libertarians either. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| I will, to give at least a little bit of an optimistic spin, And I think a lot of the pollution stuff, where we're actually damaging ecosystems, I think that stuff's pretty bad. | ||
| But in terms of climate change being this existential threat, I'm skeptical of some of that. | ||
| I don't know if it's Scott Adams' rule about slow-moving disasters. | ||
| I think human beings are actually very good at solving these kinds of problems, and I think that a lot of the hysteria I'm not saying that's not real, but similar to COVID, a lot of the hysteria is driven by a desire to create changes to subjugate people that the people creating the hysteria don't like. | ||
| No, no, no, exactly. | ||
| Why is it that AOC's Green New Deal had more to do with social justice than a Green New Deal? | ||
| Because that's not her agenda. | ||
| Her agenda is not the climate or the planet. | ||
| Her agenda is identitarianism. | ||
| So she'll hold up a big thing that says climate, and then everyone says, I would like to buy onto your climate plan. | ||
| Because they don't actually read it. | ||
| Inside it, it's like, racism. | ||
| She abused, uh, what's that guy's name? | ||
| Uh, Roosevelt's, uh, New Deal. | ||
| She just abused the name. | ||
| She just reused it. | ||
| Like, this stupid media culture where they keep making sequels to dumb stuff. | ||
| You know, if I go to the store, and I see in the newspaper, And it says, you know, um, special, uh, moon boots. | ||
| You wear them and you can jump two feet higher than normal. | ||
| It's a kid's toy. | ||
| And then I go there and I buy it. | ||
| It's a skateboard. | ||
| I can be like, I opened the box and there's a skateboard. | ||
| And I'm like, this is not what you advertised. | ||
| You actually, I can, I can file a claim against that. | ||
| The government recognizes you've lied, but the politicians, that's all they do. | ||
| Literally everything they have is the Patriot Act. | ||
| Are you a Patriot? | ||
| Right now we can spy on your bathroom. | ||
| Here's a libertarian solution to this problem that will literally never happen like most libertarians. | ||
| And it's make politicians make actual concrete predictions about the effects of their legislation. | ||
| So like literally when you pass the bill, you have to say what it's going to accomplish and you have to make predictions. | ||
| This is going to this is going to reduce carbon by this amount. | ||
| This is going to create, you know, this specific amount of jobs or not that the government can necessarily create jobs. | ||
| But the point is, like, you have to make specific predictions and then you judge, did it actually You know, I found there's two types of problems, or at least in this analogy, there's two types of problems. | ||
| There's problems like you can solve them by making them not happen. | ||
| That's like your son hits your daughter, smacks your daughter, and you say, no, don't do that. | ||
| Don't ever do that again. | ||
| And then he stops. | ||
| But then there's problems like global warming creating waste. | ||
| You can't tell people to stop creating waste. | ||
| That's not an option in this situation. | ||
| It's an endemic issue. | ||
| Consider it not a problem. | ||
| Problems aren't bad. | ||
| They're there to have problem solution. | ||
| It's in math. | ||
| They're not bad. | ||
| But this isn't a problem that can be solved by stopping the behavior. | ||
| We need to alter the solution. | ||
| I think you need to actually adjust the cost. | ||
| And it's much more straightforward in the case of waste, where you can track it down and attribute the blame and say, hey, whoever is dumping this stuff, you need to pay this amount of money to fix the problem. | ||
| I actually think from a libertarian perspective, the hardest one is something like climate | ||
| change where it's like, it's quite unclear what the externality is of me burning a fossil | ||
| fuel of a gallon of gas. | ||
| What was that externality? | ||
| What was the cost to it? | ||
| There are people who argue that it's not even clear that it's a negative externality. | ||
| There are some people who argue that the Earth getting warmer is actually better for humans. | ||
| I'm not endorsing that view necessarily, but there are people who argue that. | ||
| I've seen evidence that we're still at the end of the last ice age, but because the comets | ||
| hit Earth 13,000 years ago, then melted all the ice, it doesn't seem like we're in an | ||
| ice age, but we're actually still in an ice age coming out of it, which is why things | ||
| That's from Utah. | ||
| And by the way, New Hampshire getting warmer is not bad for New Hampshire, so from a self-interested perspective. | ||
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| It's not bad to have no glaciers on Earth. | ||
| It might be great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, seriously, it's not. | ||
| It's not clear. | ||
| A lot of the climate change stuff is from accepting that the current status quo is what's best. | ||
| Like cities on the coast. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| And obviously there would be costs to moving or adjusting things or damming things, but It's not clear that, you know, an average Earth temperature of two degrees Celsius higher is actually worse for humans than the current temperature. | ||
| I think the fear that floods and things is legit. | ||
| Fear of flooding fresh water into the ocean, killing life, is legit. | ||
| But it doesn't mean it's going to be worse after it happens. | ||
| Fishery collapse is a bigger problem. | ||
| And so this is the issue with almost all political debate. | ||
| You get, you know, two people, and one's like, climate change is a problem. | ||
| The other person's like, oh, climate change is not a big deal. | ||
| Meanwhile, the problem is actually much larger. | ||
| People hyper-focus on an issue because they want that to be, like, the core. | ||
| So, for instance, right now, the CDC is saying, you know, new evidence suggests that COVID can cause premature birth. | ||
| And so they're recommending women get vaccinated. | ||
| And the story is that the CDC said pregnant people instead of pregnant women. | ||
| And so I'm like, there's your culture war. | ||
| No one talking about the risk to pregnancies. | ||
| Now, if you don't trust the CDC, well, that's you and your trust. | ||
| You can go to your doctor and figure that out. | ||
| But the story instantly turned into a culture war debate and not a medical issue. | ||
| And that's what we get often in politics. | ||
| They can't help themselves. | ||
| These people can't help themselves. | ||
| And it's, again, just more evidence that And they know when they're doing it. | ||
| That clearly harms. | ||
| If your goal is to get people vaccinated, then when you say pregnant people, and you talk about it, you've just set off maybe a majority of the population. | ||
| Because I can't believe that many people are actually on board with pregnant people. | ||
| Yeah, it's a microscopic minority, but if you're targeting the group that is the skeptical, and they also overlap with those who don't like the phrase pregnant people, it's almost like they intentionally said that just to rile people up. | ||
| Oh yeah, they do. | ||
| You mentioned fishery collapse is a big problem of the oceans. | ||
| And I agree with you. | ||
| There's evidence that if you look into what's called iron fertilization, where you distribute iron oxide dust into the ocean, it regrows plankton, lots and lots of that's what plankton eats, and then massive fish booms. | ||
| So I think we can regrow the fish population pretty There was a, I don't want to call him crazy because he might be a hero, but there was a guy who did that. | ||
| I don't, I don't remember. | ||
| Yeah, I was just looking them up right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So did that work? | ||
| I haven't looked. | ||
| He said it did. | ||
| They had like a 20 or more than they expected, like 20 times. | ||
| He lost his job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Let's, uh, let's talk about where this partisanship takes us. | ||
| Cause we got this, this is, um, this may be a laugh. | ||
| Oh, sorry to interrupt. | ||
| Uh, 50 million to 226 million fish. | ||
| The salmon catches. | ||
| This is from, uh, Brian wing at next big future.com. | ||
| Yeah, immense recovery of salmon population from these experiments. | ||
| So let's talk about where we end up going when you have this hyper-partisanship. | ||
| We have Larry Sabato. | ||
| Red alert! | ||
| 52% of Trump voters somewhat or strongly favor blue states seceding to form a separate country. | ||
| 41% of Biden voters want the red states to do the same. | ||
| Strongly? | ||
| 25% of Trump voters strongly feel this way, and 80% of Biden voters. | ||
| Just look at the report. | ||
| And that's basically it. | ||
| More than half of Trump supporters are like, Democrats, go do your own thing. | ||
| Almost half a Democrat saying the same thing. | ||
| I think it's beautiful. | ||
| And I can be unlike some other libertarians in this regard in the sense that I don't view | ||
| libertarianism as some objectively correct philosophy. | ||
| I view it as the way that I want to live. | ||
| I think it's bad that... | ||
| Communists aren't allowed to be communist. I think they'll be very unhappy. I don't think they're there | ||
| But I'm not trying to take it away from them. I don't think that they're wrong, right? | ||
| I think they'll be very very happy. Yeah, I really I hope they are. I hope they are like California | ||
| Yeah, they vote for the same thing over over no matter how bad it gets | ||
| Cause they like it. | ||
| It's good for them. | ||
| They can have it. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| I'm not going to be there. | ||
| So like, let's let people sort themselves out. | ||
| Let's let people live according to their values. | ||
| Like we'll all be happier. | ||
| So I, you know, I think that's a huge white pill. | ||
| I think we should be optimistic when we hear that. | ||
| Well, I certainly think that, you know, people have mentioned the peaceful divorce because it's the alternative to violent separation. | ||
| So, yeah, definitely. | ||
| And be it Texas or New Hampshire, I'm all for self-determination. | ||
| It would be really interesting. | ||
| We actually had a debate on what would happen. | ||
| With Texas and New Hampshire, if they try to secede. | ||
| We talked a bit about New Hampshire. | ||
| We were like, Manchester would get occupied by the feds, the major urban centers, so they're not gonna let that go. | ||
| The roads would be shut down. | ||
| What do you think would happen if New Hampshire said, yo, we out? | ||
| I'm actually quite skeptical of the federal government's ability to do something strong here. | ||
| At least anything strong in the sense of actually sending in troops, actually exerting force. | ||
| I think if the federal government was against it, you'd much more likely see a response that's like, and I'm not saying that this wouldn't be very impactful, but attempting to shut down trade, attempting to shut down the borders outside of the state, or attempting to make things hard on people. | ||
| going in and out rather than actually, I think there is zero chance, regardless of what state secedes, that there | ||
| would be troops sent in. | ||
| What do you think the feds would do? | ||
| Maybe not zero, but what do I think they would do? | ||
| Some of the things I'm talking about, right? | ||
| Like, I think they would attempt to make it hard for people to get in and out. | ||
| I think that's, like, plausible. | ||
| So in the surrounding states, they'd set up checkpoints or something? | ||
| Yeah, on the roads and stuff like that. | ||
| That'd be like I-95 North? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Which we have to leave as federal government property anyway. | ||
| Oh, all the freeways are federal, that's why. | ||
| Well, no, no. | ||
| I mean, Maine needs to be able to get to the rest of the U.S., so. | ||
| And then there's all the federal buildings and federal employees, the post offices. | ||
| No, those are ours. | ||
| The post offices? | ||
| Yeah, no, we're gonna take those. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Someone was like, Ian, why are you so hard on it? | ||
| Because I think it's a terrible idea to be like, we out. | ||
| I am into other ways, I'll mention in a minute, but someone was like, why are you so down on it? | ||
| These people that want to secede don't want to take anything. | ||
| And I was like, well, they want to take land. | ||
| They want the federal government's land. | ||
| We'll distribute it to the population, like what happened in Afghanistan. | ||
| I mean, so like the people in New Hampshire will be that much richer because we'll get to take all this federal property, distribute it amongst the citizens. | ||
| I guess I feel like any kind of seizure of federal property could get violent really fast. | ||
| Yeah, maybe we'll pay them. | ||
| Look, I'm going to be honest. | ||
| I think the play is concentrate people, leverage nullification, and then if the federal government gets aggressive with you, Then you push secession. | ||
| But I'm all for it. | ||
| I'm not like, I'm for seceding now. | ||
| I'll do it tomorrow. | ||
| What I've been thinking about is creating a parallel system that can operate through the United States federal government without it. | ||
| So like a new economy that works alongside. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| Sorry, bud. | ||
| I want people to see this image right here that I just pulled up. | ||
| This is a post office in Tilton, New Hampshire. | ||
| And I just think, you know, when you say we'll take it, it reminds me of Fort Sumter. | ||
| I'm trolling a little bit when I say that we'll take it. | ||
| I think the goal is to keep it as peaceful as possible. | ||
| Is it going to be, you know, like the historic battle of Tilton? | ||
| I'm trolling a little bit when I say that we'll take it. | ||
| I think the goal is to keep it as peaceful as possible. | ||
| So if we need to buy the property from the federal government, then we can buy it. | ||
| The post office. | ||
| There's a whole bunch. | ||
| And then there's military bases. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it would be really interesting to see what would happen. | ||
| I think if anything did happen, it would probably be this weird pseudo secession where the federal government would still operate within the borders of New Hampshire completely and totally as they normally do. | ||
| I think that's the kind of thing that would lead to conflict though. | ||
| Well, what would happen is, like you mentioned with the Amish, they don't pay social security tax or whatever. | ||
| The people of New Hampshire would basically vote and just be like, you know, we out. | ||
| The federal government would be like, I guess, we're still gonna keep using these bases in this land. | ||
| And the people of New Hampshire are gonna be like, don't care, but you can't get taxes from us anymore. | ||
| Yeah, I'll take that deal. | ||
| Wasn't there, there was this famous story about a family in New Hampshire that didn't pay taxes. | ||
| Do you remember that story? | ||
| Yeah, I can't remember the name, but they ended up getting in like a standoff with the federal government. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So what happens when you have mass non-compliance for how many people? | ||
| It's like 1.3 million people or something in a place like New Hampshire? | ||
| I think you win when you have mass non-compliance. | ||
| That's what I think happens. | ||
| Like you'll have a siege. | ||
| So it'll seem like you win at first and then you'll slowly be choked out by like economy and no travel, no flight paths over the thing. | ||
| If you have pollution that goes over the borders, boy are you gonna pay for that. | ||
| I don't think you understand what New Hampshire is like. | ||
| I think you're imagining New Hampshire is like New York, with massive urban requirements, and it's very dense. | ||
| It's very difficult to get food. | ||
| You can't grow food anywhere. | ||
| New Hampshire, maybe like Manchester it's harder to do, but most of the state is just like trees, and people are going to homestead. | ||
| I'd imagine. | ||
| It is American U.S. | ||
| territory though, isn't it? | ||
| So like even if they control the roads, it's much harder to you know, actually unless they're gonna like again | ||
| They'd have to start, you know Shooting down boats and international waters that are from | ||
| other countries and from other places and saying they can't come into the port | ||
| It is American US territory those in it because of Long Island. The water is controlled by the US | ||
| Uh, I mean, I'm sure again. This is this is all like very difficult to kind of very hypothetical | ||
| Yeah, to kind of... | ||
| To kind of larp out. | ||
| I think that like... Oh, no, no, you have direct ocean access. | ||
| Yeah, 13 miles of coast. | ||
| So not the largest amount of coast, but enough. | ||
| And look, I think... | ||
| I think there's so much, and I'm not trying to talk down secession, but I just think there's so much more that you can do. | ||
| You don't have to jump from where we are today all the way to secession. | ||
| The more libertarians control the state government, they can repeal an incredible amount of state laws, they can make it very hard for the federal government to operate. | ||
| And we already have a roadmap for this. | ||
| And this is exactly what I was talking about with this sour grapes thing. | ||
| How many states have nullified Federal marijuana laws. | ||
| Does the federal government send in the... Or immigration laws. | ||
| Sanctuary cities, right? | ||
| All kinds of cities, literally nullified. | ||
| The federal government doesn't send in troops to stop that. | ||
| And so that's what you do. | ||
| And this isn't quite as sexy as the seating tomorrow, I understand. | ||
| I also want to talk about the sexier topic, but you just go piece by piece. | ||
| And so rather than going for trying to eat the apple in one bite, which causes a conflict, you take one bite of the apple and then they don't come out. | ||
| You take another bite of the apple. | ||
| And you just keep doing that until you've eaten the whole apple. | ||
| And when each step is so small that force seems like a disproportionate response, they don't do it. | ||
| And then all of a sudden you've eaten the entire apple. | ||
| And so I think that's a much better strategy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, so is there like a five-year plan? | ||
| Or a better question is like, what do you think happens in five years? | ||
| I think that libertarians continue to concentrate. | ||
| I think we continue to have more political power. | ||
| I'll talk briefly about the political power we have currently. | ||
| We have 40 elected free staters to the state legislature. | ||
| We have more than 100 libertarians total, and this is, they're graded by a third, this is another one of the institutions in this massive web of institutions that are creating the liberty movement. | ||
| There's an institution called the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance, great institution to support, and they grade every bill on whether it's libertarian or not. | ||
| And then they grade every representative in terms of did they vote the libertarian way. | ||
| So we have grades going back 15 years on, maybe longer, on every politician and were they libertarian. | ||
| So when I say there's 100 libertarians, I'm saying there were 100 libertarians that got an A, they voted libertarian 90% of the time or more on the bills in 2020. | ||
| What if I want a tank? | ||
| Do it. | ||
| I want a tank and I want a 50 cal full auto. | ||
| I think if anyone deserves a tank, it's you. | ||
| So people don't realize this, but I love it. | ||
| Tanks are legal. | ||
| And depending on what kind of weaponry you have on it and where you have it, it's legal as well. | ||
| It's funny because you often hear from these Democrat establishment types, the authoritarians, about gun control and they're like, you can't own a tank, can you? | ||
| And you're like, yes, you can. | ||
| You literally can. | ||
| A story, I think it was Buzzfeed that wrote this. | ||
| A guy had a 50 cal full auto on a tank and he was shooting into a lake and some state troopers pulled up and they were like, howdy! | ||
| And he was like, he stops and he's like, how can I help you? | ||
| And they're like, is this your property? | ||
| He's like, yes it is. | ||
| And they're like, have a nice day. | ||
| And they left. | ||
| I'll plug New Hampshire, highest machine gun cow ownership. | ||
| Per capita. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Highest machine gun ownership per capita. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that video of Luke with two full-auto guns was New Hampshire. | ||
| Did you see the picture of Luke with his dog and a goat? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hope he has more than one, though. | ||
| You're not supposed to just have one goat, right? | ||
| Yeah, but you know, you just keep doing stuff like this. | ||
| And as we get more political control, you get more people in office, you repeal more laws, you do more nullification-type stuff. | ||
| There's so many clever ways you can do it where you can just, like, We're doing this with guns now, where we're basically saying, like, hey, federal agents can't operate in the state. | ||
| They're just not allowed. | ||
| They'll be breaking state law. | ||
| And you play these kinds of games. | ||
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They did that in Ohio. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, it was a big thing in Ohio where they were like, if any ATF agent tries to enforce us, arrest them. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
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| So you do stuff like this. | ||
| And I think this is the way that you can win. | ||
| What if we bought like a hundred acres and then just told people, like, have at it I would be thrilled to welcome you to the Free State, Tim. | ||
| I think it's great. | ||
| I mean, we're out in West Virginia, basically, so we actually are just finalizing a deal on a big plot of land, you know, Freedom City, or Fredamistan, we jokingly call it. | ||
| And we're going to have, like, a recreational facility, and we're going to be producing a lot of content, doing more shows. | ||
| We have a new show that's actually already live. | ||
| I guess we can announce the name now, because it's already up, isn't it? | ||
| We'll save it for tomorrow. | ||
| It is, but you know, we're going to, so we soft launched it and then we can officially announce it. | ||
| So we're doing a bunch of shows and these are like fully produced podcasts, editing sound effects and stuff like that. | ||
| So we want to do this mini little freedom city in West Virginia, but what if we just bought, you know, a hundred acres in central New Hampshire, if there was a group of people who are willing to go there and just start using it? | ||
| So I think if you're interested in that in the chat, if you could just sound off and say, yeah, I want to, I want to move to New Hampshire. | ||
| Well, is there like, is there like a free, like, does the Free State Project have like land for like organizational use? | ||
| The Free State Project, again, it's, it's 1% of the Free State Movement. | ||
| So the Free State Project has like two employees and a budget of like, $200,000 a year. | ||
| It's a small organization. | ||
| The free state movement owns like a billion dollars worth of property in the state, and the total organizational budget of all the different organizations is in the tens of millions or hundreds. | ||
| It's a huge amount of what's happening. | ||
| So are there real estate companies that are owned by free staters, that prioritize free staters, that try to do this kind of thing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're not explicitly under the auspices of the free state project. | ||
| Is there a concern like the government might come after people for sedition or something? | ||
| When's the last time that happened? | ||
| Has that happened? | ||
| I think they're more likely to come after you in like oblique ways. | ||
| Like you can look at how they've targeted like Ian Freeman over some of this crypto stuff, Free the Crypto | ||
| 6, by the way, where they're trying to say he violated federal money transmission laws. | ||
| I mean, you can look at how they're coming after me, but I'm being sued by the federal | ||
| government in civil court. | ||
| I think they're more likely to do things in this way, where they don't have to make it | ||
| explicitly about what it's actually about. | ||
| I came up with a little bit of spitballing ideas about secession or what it might be. | ||
| And let me know what you think about this, that if the government and people kind of laughed at it because it's not really well thought out thing. | ||
| But if, say, New Hampshire were to secede, but they set up a smart contract or some sort of automated system where if the United States government, federal government met the terms of these secessionists, they would automatically be reimplemented back into the federal system. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's a very clever way to do it, where you can do it with these triggers. | ||
| That's the way the Free State Project started, by the way. | ||
| The Free State Project, like, it wasn't like people were like, New Hampshire's awesome, let's move there. | ||
| It started by a guy named Jason Sorens. | ||
| He wrote this essay, and the opening of the essay was basically, the Libertarian Party is a failure. | ||
| The notion of the Libertarian Party ever achieving its agenda in my lifetime is literally hopeless. | ||
| I'd bet all this money that that will never happen. | ||
| He made this 20-year prediction 20 years ago. | ||
| It came true just very recently. | ||
| He was completely correct. | ||
| And he said that like, but there are enough libertarians in the country that if we concentrated, we could actually achieve our agenda. | ||
| And the way that started was people signed an assurance contract, like a Kickstarter. | ||
| And so it started with 5,000 people saying, well, we're not sure where we're going to move. | ||
| But we'll all move to the place that we agree on, and then we'll continue to keep the movement going from there. | ||
| So there was this whole selection process, like Wyoming was the second state, and Alaska, I think, was the third, and they went through, I mean, there was a longer list, but that's the way it came out. | ||
| New Hampshire came in first, Wyoming came in second, and Alaska came in third, where they went through and debated all the possible states. | ||
| And a key target was low population, right? | ||
| New Hampshire only has a million people, right? | ||
| So that's part of why we're able to have such an outsized effect with only 10,000 or so. | ||
| So if a million and one people move to New Hampshire and then you vote, you get exactly | ||
| what you want. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't think you need anywhere near that number. | ||
| And I was talking to Lydia about this, about like a big part of libertarians tend to be | ||
| either, like they tend to be independently minded, right? | ||
| And so they tend to do, commit the typical mind fallacy and model other people as independently | ||
| It's a big part of why the Libertarian Party is such a failure. | ||
| They're like people make their decisions as independent rational animals and they consider the policy and then our policies are better so they'll vote for us. | ||
| And it is like the most absolutely wrong model of how people actually decide things. | ||
| Most people are agreeable. | ||
| They decide things to feel like they're being agreeable, to feel like they're getting along and going along, and this is what other people believe. | ||
| And so when you have, it's another way, Nassim Taleb's tyranny of the minority. | ||
| If you have this small minority of people that are extremely vocal about what they believe, they pull a ton of these agreeable people to their positions. | ||
| And it's a big part of how we're succeeding. | ||
| It's even how the libertarians in New Hampshire are making the Republican Party more libertarian is because They go in and they're Republicans now and they're advocating these really libertarian positions and so they've pulled these like, you know, these like Trumpian conservative types to be much more libertarian because they're there, they're Republicans and they're being loud about what they believe. | ||
| What's like a state, what's the state budget? | ||
| I feel like we could bring billions of dollars in industry into that state. | ||
| There's so much money in defecting. | ||
| There's so much money for one country or one state to defect from not just the U.S. | ||
| regime but the global regime in terms of the way that it shuts down creative entrepreneurship and all kinds of other things. | ||
| You know, New Hampshire is not the best choice. | ||
| I think West Virginia is better. | ||
| Ooh, you're landlocked, though. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I mean, if we're role-playing all this out, that's true. | ||
| Landlocked is bad. | ||
| But the issue is, New Hampshire's blue. | ||
| And I'm looking at their election results. | ||
| I think that is a... So, New Hampshire has a Republican governor, 60% of the vote, Republican executive council, which is this organ that other people don't have, but it's part of the executive body, Republican Senate, Republican state legislature. | ||
| The entire state government is red. | ||
| So it was just like an anti-Trump recoil maybe? | ||
| A lot of New Hampshire conservatives do not like Trump. | ||
| New Hampshire's like traveling back in time. | ||
| This is one of the weirdest parts where it's like, they're like, decorum, and the process, and rational, and we're gonna debate things, and like, let's all get along. | ||
| And so the kind of like brash style that Trump had was very off-putting to a lot of New Hampshire citizens. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| And I mention it all the time, like regular people were like, I don't like the way he talks. | ||
| It hurts him. | ||
| It helped him in a lot of ways. | ||
| But, you know, landlocked is a big issue. | ||
| But it's actually, the other issue is who you're surrounded by in New Hampshire. | ||
| So I had this debate with Luke all the time, he's like, New Hampshire's the best. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, but look what you're surrounded by, Canada? | ||
| And then you got Massachusetts, you got, what's the, Vermont? | ||
| Vermont's not bad. | ||
| I actually think this helps in terms of acceleration, because the truth is, like, it's awesome, we have people move from California and all over the country, but the truth is, more people move from closer nearby, right? | ||
| And so if you're in a place like Wyoming, Where are you pulling people from? | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| If you're in New Hampshire, there's a lot of libertarians in Massachusetts. | ||
| And in New York. | ||
| There's a lot of libertarians in New York, exactly. | ||
| And it's not that hard to move from those places to New Hampshire. | ||
| It's a little more palatable. | ||
| So I actually think it's been a good choice by the movement to be in this population center. | ||
| I agree with you now, I guess. | ||
| And look, we're going to be the Hong Kong of America. | ||
| So as America turns into China, We're going to become Hong Kong with more guns. | ||
| That's what New Hampshire is going to become. | ||
| It's actually very valuable to be on the border with Canada. | ||
| Especially if global warming is real, Canada is going to be a tropical paradise. | ||
| Maybe not tropical, subtropical. | ||
| It's going to be a beautiful, beautiful country. | ||
| Even the IPCC consensus estimate is like 2 to 3 degrees C. Things would change, but they wouldn't. | ||
| I hear you got black flies in New Hampshire. | ||
| I know we don't have one of the most common types of mosquitoes. | ||
| They don't come that far north. | ||
| But you got black flies. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I know in northern Maine. | ||
| So we were actually looking for a bunch of places to set up, like, outside of cities. | ||
| And I was like, Maine, you know, maybe. | ||
| But Maine is insanely expensive. | ||
| And there's cheaper areas and there's limited infrastructure. | ||
| It's because all the really rich people go to the shores of Maine to get away and it's just like... Yeah, you gotta be pretty well-off for the most part. | ||
| I was looking at property and comparing it. | ||
| Identical infrastructure, substantially cheaper in the West Virginia area than basically anywhere else. | ||
| I've been thinking about setting up like a university for scientists that want to learn how to use to make graphene, because I don't know if you're familiar much with graphene, but it's going to be a 21st century steal. | ||
| We're right about 2029. | ||
| We're going to start to see influx. | ||
| And I was going to do it nationally, like do it in Chicago, get the federal funds to fund it, build an American thing that we manage for 15 years and show all these Americans that get two weeks for free with their tax money to come and learn how to use it. | ||
| And then all the graphene we produce is free for all Americans forever. | ||
| And then after 15 years, it becomes a utility. | ||
| and we just produce and use free and it's like space elevator travel but we could do it on a on a state level makes a lot more sense Yeah, let's do it. | ||
| New Hampshire, graphene capital of the world. | ||
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| It's gonna happen. | ||
| You gotta get some industry to come in, and I gotta be honest, there's a lot of very, very, very wealthy people, and I'm surprised we don't see more of this. | ||
| I am surprised more wealthy people don't try to defect, but I mean, New Hampshire's like, that's the thing, it has like a small population, and in some ways it can feel rural, but it really has everything. | ||
| It has a huge tech industry, the average income in New Hampshire is like in the top five for states, The median income is like $75,000 a year or something. | ||
| Constitutional carry? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Constitutional carry, standard ground, Castle Doctrine. | ||
| We've got like the best gun laws in the country. | ||
| What's your state motto? | ||
| Live free or die. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Maybe we should slowly start moving production up to New Hampshire. | ||
| And we mean it. | ||
| Like, seriously. | ||
| People mean it. | ||
| It's like people have a libertarian, and this is again part of why the state was chosen, like people have a natural libertarian bias. | ||
| They don't want to be in your business. | ||
| They don't want to bother you. | ||
| I mean, New Hampshire had the highest vote percentage for Ron Paul in 2012, right? | ||
| Like of any state in the country. | ||
| I mean, there was a natural libertarian leaning to the population. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What if we live there three months out of the year or something? | ||
| Only in the winter. | ||
| Yeah, only in the deepest winter. | ||
| Well, I like that we're centralized right now. | ||
| We're closer to D.C. | ||
| But I don't know if that is going to be necessary. | ||
| And whether you would be happy in New Hampshire, like listening to this conversation, is like reading a dating profile and deciding if someone is going to be your wife or husband. | ||
| This is a dating profile. | ||
| This is like, do I want to go on a date with this person? | ||
| It's not, do I want to marry them? | ||
| So, you don't have to be convinced that New Hampshire is the best place for you. | ||
| What you have to do is be curious. | ||
| And then the next step is you come for a visit. | ||
| You come check it out. | ||
| You come to Porkfest this summer. | ||
| You buy your tickets tonight because it's going to sell out. | ||
| You come to Liberty Forum in the fall, which is not quite as laid back as New Hampshire. | ||
| Porkfest, but it's for like the people who want to be like, I want to get stuff done. | ||
| I'm a serious person. | ||
| New Hampshire, nhlibertyforum.com. | ||
| You can buy tickets right now. | ||
| Come for a visit anytime. | ||
| The FSP will literally be like your personal tour guide. | ||
| We'll plug you into all the secret stuff that's not available online. | ||
| If you contact us, we'll teach you about the secret clubs and there's a public calendar, but there's also stuff that's like not on the calendar. | ||
| So you got to come for a visit. | ||
| You got to get in touch with us and we'll let you check out the state. | ||
| And then you can decide if that's a place you want to be. | ||
| I don't, you know, I don't care if it's West Virginia or Wyoming or New Hampshire, the idea of like people coming together. | ||
| And so at this point, it's like the Free State Project's been around so long and New Hampshire probably does make the most sense just based on what's already built in its foundation. | ||
| And man, New Hampshire is a pretty free place. | ||
| I see, you know, Luke firing the flamethrower. | ||
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| He fired it at Porkfest this summer. | ||
| There's a great video of it. | ||
| The idea that we could affect government change is very exhilarating. | ||
| As an American, I'm like, as if that should be anything but the norm, but I don't know. | ||
| What's like the libertarian political movement in New Hampshire right now in the government there? | ||
| Yeah, so, and let me first say that, like, I agree with you completely. | ||
| Like, I hated voting when I lived in Philadelphia. | ||
| I basically didn't do it. | ||
| I did it, like, begrudgingly because, you know, your friends are like, you have to vote, Jeremy. | ||
| Don't be a bad person. | ||
| And I'm, like, happy to vote. | ||
| Every time I go in to vote, every single election, I can vote for someone who I feel like shares my values and wants the world to be the kind of way that I want the world to be. | ||
| It's the first time that voting has felt good to me in a very long time, since maybe when I was in my early 20s and actually believed in it in a more genuine form. | ||
| So it's ended a lot of that cynicism. | ||
| And Libertarians run for every kind of office, position in office. | ||
| They run as Democrats, they run as Republicans, they run as Libertarians. | ||
| Most of them do get elected as Republicans, but they get elected under every party. | ||
| You only need to send a libertarian candidate to Congress. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think one of the most important things is to have a duly elected, | ||
| like formally elected libertarian go there. | ||
| Probably cocks with Republicans I'd imagine. | ||
| Yeah, I mean I would love to see it. | ||
| I mean, I think it's, I do think it's really hard to win third party, and I'm a supporter of the, like, Libertarian Party seems like it's becoming more libertarian again with, you know, with the Mises Caucus and Dave Smith, he's awesome, and all these people who are like, you're really giving this full-throated support for libertarianism rather than like the woke neoliberal party or like whatever it had become. | ||
| But I think it is really hard to win as a third party. | ||
| I think that you have whatever that law is, like Duverger's law or whatever, that everything trends towards two parties, and so it's really hard to win as a third party. | ||
| So I would love it if a libertarian party candidate could win. | ||
| I really just want libertarians to win. | ||
| I don't care what letter is next to your name. | ||
| Yeah, like a libertarian governor. | ||
| Yeah, there is. | ||
| So the current, he was a past candidate for governor, and he's currently the head of the School, place, organization? | ||
| What's the branch of government? | ||
| Department of the school? | ||
| Department of education. | ||
| Education, state, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I clearly attended one. | ||
| We're deep right now. | ||
| Anyway, he's like super, he's like very libertarian and he's decently likely to be the next governor. | ||
| So the current governor is like He's like libertarian financially, but he's like not as libertarian on other policies. | ||
| Run as a Republican, win, and then immediately announce you're in the Libertarian Party. | ||
| So we had Republicans do that. | ||
| New Hampshire had three libertarians in the state legislature like four years ago, and that was exactly what they did. | ||
| That's how they did it. | ||
| They ran as Republicans, won, and then we're like, oh, we're Libertarians! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| The Libertarian Party is so wacky, though. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| It's the only way—you know, the Libertarian Party likes to tout these candidates. | ||
| They're like, oh, we have these—they've literally never won a three-way race. | ||
| Literally never. | ||
| All of their candidates that are in the state legislature either won and defected—defected, whatever, changed parties—or they ran a two-party race. | ||
| So, like, they have Marshall Burton, Wyoming. | ||
| He ran Libertarian against Democrat, without a Republican in the race, and was able to win. | ||
| And so if you can somehow get it down to two parties, I think the Libertarian party could win. | ||
| And I think it'd be great if Libertarians could run under the Libertarian party, like the Libertarian party platform is more Libertarian than the Republican platform. | ||
| Although in New Hampshire, this is another way that Libertarians win. | ||
| They're so... I gotta say, if you've never been part of a cabal, You need to get a cabal. | ||
| Like, cabals are awesome. | ||
| They're really fun, right? | ||
| And so, then one of the ways they win is, like, they go in and they write the Republican platforms. | ||
| Like, the Republican platform, you can look it up for the Republican platform of New Hampshire, not nationally. | ||
| It's, like, pretty libertarian. | ||
| And if you look at the scores of state reps, the libertarian ones do better because the libertarians wrote the Republican platform. | ||
| I think we could set up free software machine learning algorithms to advise the governor. | ||
| If not, I wouldn't want him to act as a governor because I want a human to make the final call. | ||
| But I want people to be able to watch the advisement that the governor is receiving. | ||
| And then, I mean, we could really create like an art project. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Having one human controlling all this power is insane to me. | ||
| And I would love to disperse the power of the governor amongst many people. | ||
| I don't know if that's functional for split-second decisions, but usually governors don't have to make those. | ||
| That's like the president. | ||
| But I'm also interested in utilizing AI to ease the political thing. | ||
| Like you said, you hate voting. | ||
| No one wants to deal with that. | ||
| We send representatives because we have to, because it's the least worst system. | ||
| So what if there was a system where machine learning just figured out what people tended towards? | ||
| I'm not saying this is a good thing. | ||
| I'm saying what would a system be like if, you know, YouTube says like, man, people sure do love clicking on, you know, boobs or whatever. | ||
| So they show you more and more of that stuff. | ||
| Then eventually a human has to intervene because people are complaining like this goes against your values. | ||
| What would a government be like if laws changed based on how people reacted to the system in place? | ||
| So it was amorphous almost. | ||
| It depends on how good the system is. | ||
| I'm relatively anti-democratic and anti-populist. | ||
| I think generally the more democratic we've become, the less libertarian we've become. | ||
| Beliefs among libertarians. I'll say it now because I am one of those highly disagreeable types who says these | ||
| things Anyway, it's like I think libertarians need to face the | ||
| fact that most people aren't libertarian Most people don't want to be libertarian | ||
| Most people don't actually like freedom and personal responsibility and individual choice, but they don't so you | ||
| need to level up the Free State Project and not just attract libertarians | ||
| But also attract people by saying if you want to be a sheep in the flock protected | ||
| by a strong sheepdog and a shepherd New Hampshire's place for you! | ||
| Just do as you're told, vote the way we tell you, and we'll keep you safe. | ||
| Yeah, I think there is a way that that happens, and almost kind of already does, though not quite that explicitly, but there are all kinds of libertarians that are like large employers, right? | ||
| And a large employer has the chance to kind of like They are kind of playing that role, not always, but you know, they're giving you a job, but they also have this chance to kind of push political perspectives, they have this chance to influence the way that you think, and if you're agreeable, you kind of, yeah, my boss is good to me, and so on. | ||
| And so when you have these libertarians, and this is part of, this is what the libertarian party doesn't understand, what I think the Free State Movement does, whether implicitly or explicitly, is like, The way you actually change people's minds is you become an accomplished person, you attain status in your community by being a good person, by being a good father, by being a contributor, by being a volunteer, by being successful, you know, by having your life together. | ||
| And when you do all of those things, people look up to you. | ||
| And then people copy and adapt your values and what you believe because they see, well, look at that person, look at how he is or she is, and I want to be more like that. | ||
| Have you considered just using your funding for propaganda campaigns to just trick people into supporting you? | ||
| Well, I mean, again, people do, the libertarians do run under every party. | ||
| We don't have that much money. | ||
| Our money is going to get people here. | ||
| We're the boss. | ||
| So, you know, get people on the bus. | ||
| But, so, I remember reading about, like, how all these rich people got a cruise ship so they could do weird stuff in international waters that was illegal for, like, their businesses or something. | ||
| Where are the billionaires to be like, let's just go to New Hampshire and fund this so that we can have laissez-faire? | ||
| Puerto Rico. | ||
| A lot of them went to Puerto Rico after the hurricane and started to rebuild a new utopian, Bitcoin utopia. | ||
| So I heard. | ||
| That's the last I heard of it. | ||
| A billionaire could conquer New Hampshire as it were, you know? | ||
| Come with massive funding, like everything you mentioned about the low population and people you like. | ||
| Okay, for all billionaires listening, please contact me. | ||
| 2020 tax revenue was $800 million in this state. | ||
| I mean, we could bring billions in, especially with the amount of money that's been printed lately. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| Geez, we could bring a lot of money into that state. | ||
| It's not really about the money, though. | ||
| It's about what we produce, the production. | ||
| Well, really, all that needs to happen is employers need to relocate to the state. | ||
| If you've got, you know, any amount of employers and you relocate to New Hampshire, you bring those employees with you. | ||
| Not an easy thing for everybody, but if you can do that, that not only brings more money to the state, but it brings those people and their taxes, and it just makes the economy of New Hampshire better. | ||
| Wouldn't it be funny? | ||
| Like, just imagine... | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's the future. | ||
| from now, you look at a topographical map of the United States and it's like everything | ||
| looks kind of the same, but New Hampshire is a massive megatropolis with like flying | ||
| cars. | ||
| Oh, that's the future. | ||
| Have you ever seen, I love this video, it's from, I think it's called Gray Still Plays, | ||
| is that the guy, the YouTuber? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This guy, he was playing a game called City State, I think it's called, and you basically | ||
| are building a city state. | ||
| You can choose to have taxes, low taxes, high taxes. | ||
| You can choose to regulate or deregulate and things like that. | ||
| And so he decides to play this game where he's like, I'm just going to, it's going to | ||
| be anarchy. | ||
| It's going to be whatever. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| No rules, no taxes. | ||
| And what he thought was going to happen was, it was going to be poverty and chaos. | ||
| And it's a hilarious video because he's like, what's happening? | ||
| And like, there's no poor, there's zero poverty. | ||
| Everyone's wealthy. | ||
| Ski resorts keep popping up all over the place. | ||
| And he's like, what? | ||
| And he, all he did was say no taxes, no government, no intervention. | ||
| And it just, everyone lived in luxury. | ||
| City State 2's out, by the way. | ||
| Awesome game. | ||
| Shout out to Raptor Games on YouTube. | ||
| Well, I think this is another thing that some libertarians can miss because, like, most—Everett lives in luxury now. | ||
| Seriously, I'm not trying to say they're psychologically healthy or they're physically healthy, but in terms of like, if you could work a minimum wage job, and in terms of what you have available to you in terms of quality food, technology, all these things, it is a better life than most people have had throughout history. | ||
| The difference is that human beings, some, a lot of libertarians don't feel this way, | ||
| but most other people do. | ||
| They experience a psychic pain when other people have more than them. | ||
| They literally, like, they do. | ||
| This is part of what libertarians, and libertarians tend to not experience this, | ||
| so a lot of them don't believe me when I say this. | ||
| But that's what so much of this stuff is about. | ||
| It's what the Green New Deal's about. | ||
| That's why socialists don't actually care if their policies would make people worse off, | ||
| because it's about bringing people closer together, because they're pained by the fact that other people have, | ||
| why do so many people hate, why do so many environmentalists hate Elon Musk, | ||
| who's doing more to make the world green than, like, anyone else? | ||
| Because he's really rich. | ||
| Yeah. Right. | ||
| Why is there so much hatred for Jeff Bezos, who, again, gives lots of 15, $20 an hour jobs | ||
| that anyone can go and get, right? | ||
| Because he's really rich. | ||
| I don't have this feeling. | ||
| I don't have it myself. | ||
| There are a lot of people who just have that feeling and simply the distance in resources makes that person bad. | ||
| Envy, I guess? | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| I used to feel that when I'd wait tables in LA. | ||
| I was just telling this story with you guys a couple nights ago or last night. | ||
| And I would just get it. | ||
| I'd be like, gosh, I wish I could not have to work in the middle of the day and go walk my dog with my sandals on and eat $30 meals every day, five days a week. | ||
| And I just go about my business thinking like, oh, that'd be awesome. | ||
| Think it back to it, you know, just dealing with my reality. | ||
| But I felt it, you know, it's not as much anymore. | ||
| But, you know, I've also done more that I'm proud of. | ||
| So that's part of it. | ||
| Yeah, that's socialism. | ||
| It's envy. | ||
| People not realizing that you have better dental care today than Rockefeller did. | ||
| He's got this massive wealth. | ||
| The wealthiest guy. | ||
| And you can get better dental care. | ||
| You've got air conditioning. | ||
| He didn't. | ||
| You've got a refrigerator. | ||
| Luxury items. | ||
| You've got a TV. | ||
| You've got a big screen TV. | ||
| You've got VR headsets for a couple hundred bucks. | ||
| You know, I was talking about this a while back. | ||
| Someone said something to me on Occupy, they were like, you know we're the first generation that's gonna be worse off than our parents? | ||
| Our parents' generation? | ||
| And I was like, my dad didn't have a TV or a phone. | ||
| Like, because they were not, it was like, TVs were expensive. | ||
| Now, people got TVs in their pockets! | ||
| And you gotta pay the bill for that. | ||
| Like, if you could take this device back in history, and it still somehow worked, it would be worth, like, all the world's wealth. | ||
| Like, all of it. | ||
| Or half of it. | ||
| Or some, like, tremendous amount. | ||
| If you downloaded the contents of Wikipedia onto this device, and had, like, a charging cable and a battery pack that could easily recharge it, or, you know, just a wall charger. | ||
| You brought it back 50 years. | ||
| It'd be worth a hundred trillion dollars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's, now to be fair, future information is worth an infinite amount of money. | ||
| But like, let's say all it had, let's say you downloaded Wikipedia's, a Wikipedia database, an encyclopedic database from 1970. | ||
| Identical information to what date of time, nothing beyond their level of knowledge. | ||
| The device would still be worth billions of dollars. | ||
| Trillions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Yeah, trillions. | ||
| Because they could be like, I can pull up all of the information we currently know of 1970 and no one else can? | ||
| Governments would look for it. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| I love these shows, superhero shows, Heroes did it, where they like, how do you handle people with powers and people who don't? | ||
| So in X-Men they have the Mutant Registry Act because they're like, this is dangerous, these mutants. | ||
| And I think about, there's this, this is a common trope in sci-fi, and I think it's just often said, the reason why aliens would not give humans technology is, what do you think they would do with it? | ||
| They'd wage war. | ||
| What do you think would happen if you went to, you know, a village in Africa and said, here's a stockpile of, you know, M-16s or something, and crates full of ammo? | ||
| They would be like, we're going to use it to empower ourselves, and we're going to, you know, take care of our enemies. | ||
| So what happens in the US, or I should say in the world, is that typically all this technology arises simultaneously in different ways. | ||
| So you do end up with world war and conflict and crisis, but for the most part we're always kind of, you know, at an equal level. | ||
| What would happen if you came and gave This power of knowledge to a, you know, a prior generation. | ||
| To us, it's a cell phone. | ||
| We look at pictures of cats and we argue with strangers on the internet. | ||
| Back then, it would be one of the most powerful weapons the world had ever seen. | ||
| The fact that someone could be like, I can know everything humans can know, like that. | ||
| Yeah, the envy thing seems like an emergent phenomenon because obviously people have enough. | ||
| I mean, we have enough to become super gods. | ||
| If any one person wanted to study everything on the internet and remember it, memorize it, you'd be... | ||
| I mean, I think it's driven by evolution. | ||
| We've always lived in some sort of social hierarchies throughout our evolution, and everyone wants to be at the top, and no one wants to feel like they're at the bottom. | ||
| And so, for the people at the bottom of any sort of hierarchy, they want to gang up on and take down the person at the top. | ||
| I think primates do it. | ||
| I think all kinds of other social animals do it. | ||
| I think another point of evidence in this favor is if you look at happiness research, people in countries that are much poorer than the U.S. | ||
| aren't substantially less happy than people in the U.S. | ||
| the distribution of happiness is pretty similar. | ||
| Well, because it's not really about how well off you are. | ||
| I mean, it plays a role. | ||
| I'm not saying they literally say, but it's much more about, | ||
| hey, if you're doing well in society. | ||
| This is also why you see this research sometimes, it's like, oh, you know, | ||
| if everyone made $80,000 a year, they'd be happy. | ||
| Look at this research. | ||
| Once people make this amount of money, they're much happier. | ||
| It's not about the money, it's not about the resources, it's about that once you're at that certain level, | ||
| you experience happiness from having achieved the success that distances you from others. | ||
| And this is like a kind of like cold and uncomfortable way to talk about, | ||
| but I think it's the truth. | ||
| I will say though, having a little bit of money, having enough money to eat whatever I want, | ||
| whenever I want, and to sleep as late as I want is life-changing. | ||
| Yes, when you're talking about abject poverty, there's clear differences there. | ||
| I'm not talking about quite at that level, there are clear differences. | ||
| I once read that a paraplegic, a year after their accident, and a lottery winner, a year after winning, register the same levels of happiness. | ||
| Yeah, we experience these hedonic adjustments. | ||
| Jonathan Haidt has some really good research on this topic. | ||
| We're going to do a hard segue. | ||
| The hardest of hard segues. | ||
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| Because I have to. | ||
| Because there was a trend on Twitter. | ||
| My friends, I give you Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks claiming he could beat Joe Rogan in a fight. | ||
| Alright, next MMA celebrity match. | ||
| Just for everybody, you know, Cenk is an overweight, progressive YouTube host, and Joe Rogan is not only an MMA commentator, but he used to fight MMA, and he trains, and he has a gym, and he is massively ripped. | ||
| But we have this tweet. | ||
| Mr. M says, I'll make a $1,000 donation to your trash network or your charity of choice to see you call Rogan, who is not only the most successful podcast in history, but also a black belt in MMA, a loser to his face. | ||
| And Cenk Uygur said, deal. | ||
| Easiest $1,000 I've ever made. | ||
| You think he's going to assault me? | ||
| Sure, whatever. | ||
| That's incredibly dumb, but also wouldn't work. | ||
| I'm much larger than Joe, and I've fought my whole life. | ||
| I'd end him. | ||
| But grown-ups don't do that. | ||
| I'll send you the P.O. | ||
| box to send the check later. | ||
| I'll end him? | ||
| This is, wow, a whole new level of stupid, but come on, man. | ||
| Is this, is this, this is the political discourse we get in this country? | ||
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| Let me, let me, let me pull up, we got, we got another tweet here. | ||
| Let me see if it loads. | ||
| If Joe Rogan believes that the government violating your bodily autonomy is tyranny, then he must be furious about anti-choice Christian mullahs in his country. | ||
| If he isn't, then he's an effing hypocrite, sucking up to his right-wing audience out of either stupidity or cowardice, except I'm pretty sure Joe Rogan is pro-choice, pro-UBI, pro-Bernie Sanders. | ||
| This is what these people don't get. | ||
| Cenk Uygur is plastic. | ||
| He represents the non-player character that dominates our political discourse. | ||
| I, for instance, pro-choice. | ||
| Vax mandates are wrong. | ||
| Because it's a liberty-minded approach, not a traditional value-minded approach. | ||
| But Cenk doesn't know or care. | ||
| And so the parent factions, the Democrats and the Republicans, now the Republicans mostly not so much because Trump really just splattered that whole party. | ||
| Changing it. | ||
| Very different nowadays. | ||
| But the establishment Democrats only seem to recognize dichotomies. | ||
| So, Cenk Uygur goes on his show and says, either you agree with us, you're on our side, or no matter what else, you're wrong. | ||
| Even if what you're saying is scientifically true or factually correct, doesn't matter. | ||
| And so they'll come out and it just, what's the point of this tweet? | ||
| Cenk, did you just watch Joe Rogan's podcast? | ||
| Well, this is, I mean, this is the point of the tweet. | ||
| Do we talk about it on TV? | ||
| But good. | ||
| I understand that and I'm fine with it. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| We need to explain to people who are watching. | ||
| Give them something they can share and say, my friends, you deserve actual political debates. | ||
| What Cenk is saying here most likely is driven by, I will say, Hanlon's razor. | ||
| Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence or attributed to incompetence. | ||
| Perhaps he's just Not that smart. | ||
| However, Cenk Uygur runs a multi-million dollar network that's massive, and you need to have abilities and passion and drive to do something like that. | ||
| So, that says to me, Cenk knows he's misleading his audience, he knows he's pushing trash to fill their minds with garbage that will not move this country forward. | ||
| Rogan's a black belt in jujitsu, I believe. | ||
| I know he's a kickboxer. | ||
| I don't know if he practices, but I mean, I think Cenk just doesn't understand that if he's really being serious here. | ||
| It sounds like he's like a high school athlete who's like in their 30s or 40s and is a little overweight and still talks about how badass they are. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know, Cenk. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe he's a great fighter. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's a union buster. | ||
| See, this is the problem we have. | ||
| The Young Turks are on YouTube TV. | ||
| They're propped up by YouTube. | ||
| They have massive investment. | ||
| And they are as fake as they come. | ||
| I used to love him, man. | ||
| I used to love him, man. | ||
| In 2007, 2006, they were like, speaking out against the war in Iraq, he was revolutionary | ||
| It's not even... Look, I don't know if you've seen this, but have you noticed a change in people? | ||
| Like, something changed. | ||
| People like Jiang, for instance. | ||
| You know, I've known him for a long time. | ||
| And, not like we're friends or anything, but, you know, he had me on his show a couple times. | ||
| I saw him at VidCon several years ago, and he walked up, and he was like, hey, how's it going? | ||
| We shook hands, and we talked about YouTube and Metrix, and I was doing my YouTube channel, and I was doing what I was doing. | ||
| And then, two years later at Politicon, he's screaming in my face. | ||
| Just, like, screaming at me, and I'm like, why are you yelling at me? | ||
| Like, dude, what's going on? | ||
| I should clarify, Joe's not a kickboxer. | ||
| Taekwondo. | ||
| That's what I meant to say. | ||
| Taekwondo. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| He's Taekwondo? | ||
| He won a tournament, like in his late teens, early 20s, and then he kind of got out of the game after that. | ||
| He's getting hit in the head too much, I think. | ||
| This dude is ripped. | ||
| Yeah, he's a maniac. | ||
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| He loves hanging out. | ||
| But so, something happened to people, man. | ||
| And I don't know what. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not, this isn't like a strong explanation, but I think part of it does have to do with social media and the way that it's sort of like, To me, that matches up with the timeline of, like, politics has gotten much more divisive, like, Democrats and Republicans have moved away from the middle and are, like, much more outside of the middle. | ||
| But have you seen the Pew research? | ||
| The trends on this? | ||
| Yeah, it's Democrats, not Republicans. | ||
| Republicans are slightly more moderate. | ||
| I thought it was Democrats more than Republicans, but Republicans also did it. | ||
| Republicans shifted leftward a great deal from, like, you know, during the 2000s into the early 2010s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then moved only a little bit to the right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, depending on what time frame you're using. | ||
| But based on where Republicans were in the 90s into the 2000s, they're actually much further left than they traditionally had been. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they're progressives driving the speed limit and so on. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so, but it definitely does, like, it incentivizes conflict, it discourages us seeing the other side, and it's also, like, created this phenomenon where, like, we're living in these, like, separate realities where they're, like, you know, who is, like, who are these people that both sides still trust? | ||
| You know, there's basically no one. | ||
| None. | ||
| So, my favorite was, uh, I mentioned this, many of you may have heard this, but I'll just, you know, just so you know, when I went on Russell Brand's show, and he asked me, I was on Russell Brand's show, he asked me about Civil War. | ||
| And, you know, I typically view this as people are like, they think they're gonna get me, as though, like, I'm some shock jock being like, Civil War, and like, bang on the table, when I'm actually like... | ||
| Going through all of the details, the Princeton professor, the Atlantic articles, the conversations around Thucydides trap and what it means, fourth and fifth generational warfare, all of these very, like, you know, specific examples of why we are facing some kind of civil conflict. | ||
| Then you've got, um, like, first and foremost, we had two shootouts in the Pacific Northwest between the left and the right. | ||
| I mean, that's kinetic conflict. | ||
| It's been going on for years and getting worse. | ||
| And then you have the storming of the Capitol and all this stuff. | ||
| The comment section was hilarious. | ||
| People on the right saying Tim's a leftist. | ||
| People on the left saying Tim's a right wing. | ||
| And I'm like, well, there you go. | ||
| There's no middle for any real conversation. | ||
| But the interesting thing is libertarians are kind of like in the middle because they're like, all I care about is freedom. | ||
| Do you care about freedom? | ||
| So I suppose I'll put it this way. | ||
| When I look at, when we have libertarians on the show with conservatives, they agree on so much. | ||
| But the libertarians on the left do not agree. | ||
| And the conservatives and liberals do not agree. | ||
| And it really does feel like the overwhelming majority of the left, as we describe it, be it establishment or leftists, is authoritarian. | ||
| Masquerading as libertarian because no one will come out and claim to be an authoritarian. | ||
| No one will do it. | ||
| It's not going to win you any favors. | ||
| But then you see people like Hasan Piker, you know, you see the Young Turks, you see Vosch in favor of rule by edict. | ||
| The president issuing a decree and then everyone being forced to adhere to it, and they're celebrating it. | ||
| That's the definition of authoritarianism. | ||
| Yeah, what's the, does everyone know the dude quote? | ||
| I can never do it right. | ||
| Like, when I'm weaker than you, I ask for you to follow the principles, and then when I'm stronger than you, like, I don't adhere to the principles because it's good for me. | ||
| Yeah, I'll look it up. | ||
| But that's exactly what the, that's exactly the phenomenon. | ||
| And I don't know how much of it is, like, conscious. | ||
| I think part of it is that, like, human beings are deceitful to themselves. | ||
| And so, like, when they're on the losing side and the underside, they have this, like, genuine feeling that principles ought to be important. | ||
| And when they're on the winning side and the dominant side, they have this feeling that, I don't know, principles don't matter. | ||
| Like, what matters is accomplishing my objective. | ||
| I have the Dune quote from Frank Herbert, the writer. | ||
| Children of Dune, when I'm weaker than you, I ask for freedom because that is according to your principles. | ||
| But when I'm stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to mine. | ||
| To my principles. | ||
| Sorry, I got cut off in the middle. | ||
| That was a little anticlimactic. | ||
| But I think that's the phenomenon. | ||
| We need a new word. | ||
| So the right says communism, the left says capitalism. | ||
| There's a corruption element there. | ||
| The left says fascism. | ||
| We need a new word. | ||
| What's happening is a new type of... Proprietary technocracy. | ||
| Kind of, but that doesn't explain... It does, I think, cover a lot of what's happening. | ||
| But, you know, you look at what's happening with authoritarianism. | ||
| Rule by edict. | ||
| How does proprietary technocracy explain Joe Biden saying, I hereby decree? | ||
| Because he can reach a trillion people, a million people at once with radio. | ||
| He uses technology to like, that's what Hitler did too. | ||
| He was a technocrat. | ||
| Yeah, but radio is 150 years old or whatever. | ||
| Hitler did it a lot. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Always convincing people with mass media. | ||
| It's not a proprietary technology. | ||
| If he didn't have the ability to stand up and say it, and everyone hears it on TV, I don't think that it would have that kind of impact. | ||
| It's, it's, it's... Technocracy is the government control of a society by technical experts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we, we certainly have a tech- Twitter banned the- Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But that doesn't explain Joe Biden coming out, that doesn't explain Joe Biden coming out with an edict and then everyone just adhering to it. | ||
| It was on my Twitter page when I loaded Twitter for like five days. | ||
| Did you know that what he did isn't illegal? | ||
| Yes, they're serving- Legal experts say. | ||
| That's why I'm saying we need a new word. | ||
| They've usurped the government is in those- We are seeing an element of big tech corporations wielding their power, but it's not so much the technology mass media has been around for a long time. | ||
| It is, you have the private sector and the public sector have merged, which some people might say is fascism, but fascism is also like traditionalist and nationalistic. | ||
| So that doesn't explain what they are. | ||
| So we need a word that represents global corporatism. | ||
| With state, you know, yeah, global government corporatism. | ||
| A word for all of that. | ||
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| Jack-o-phonomy. | ||
| See if anything comes up. | ||
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| I just typed it in. | ||
| Global government corporatism. | ||
| Corporatism goes global. | ||
| Corporatism goes global. | ||
| You've got private corporations working in collusion with the state under the guise of democracy towards a global international new world order. | ||
| Is that what they said? | ||
| Is that what Lori Lightfoot said? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's what that Australian lady said. | ||
| So communism means something. | ||
| Fascism means something. | ||
| Capitalism means something. | ||
| And so when you're trying to describe this, I hear all these different words thrown out, and it's like it doesn't capture the essence. | ||
| It's definitely a corporatism. | ||
| Look, we were talking about earlier with contracts. | ||
| If a company owns the rights to your likeness, and then they start building artificial intelligence, generative deepfakes, and can make you look real and say whatever they want, Forever? | ||
| That's like you're a digital slave to a corporation. | ||
| It's like Disney owns the rights to Thor. | ||
| They can make Chris Hemsworth's face say anything they want on a cartoon or on a TV show now. | ||
| Do you think it's all driven by corporations? | ||
| No, what's happening is there's a very dense, powerful, corporate centralization of power that is colluding with a very dense centralization of government power. | ||
| And it's authoritarian. | ||
| It's detrimental to the working class, to the people. | ||
| It's exploitative. | ||
| It enslaves. | ||
| It is overtly authoritarian. | ||
| And so, what's the word? | ||
| You know, I typically would say the lucrative merger of corporation and state would be fascism, Mussolini's fascism. | ||
| But then you get all sorts of arguments about the fascists were traditionalists. | ||
| They were like, you know, women, you know, at the home. | ||
| And that's not what these people are. | ||
| These people are ultra-progressives. | ||
| But they're not communists because they work with corporations. | ||
| So it's like Chinese state capitalist, like it's Chinese communist capitalism. | ||
| It's like woke neoliberal corporatism. | ||
| But there should be just one word. | ||
| I'm going to say techno-technocracy final answer, because without the social media, none of this could be happening right now. | ||
| Oh, that's not true, Ian. | ||
| Without the government, Twitter wouldn't have the legal protections to make it happen. | ||
| Without the government, Twitter could do whatever it wanted. | ||
| Without the Democrats coming in, so when Congress comes in and gives special protections to | ||
| the tech industry, they're then able to propagandize. | ||
| I will say, I think a lot of big tech is protected by federal laws. | ||
| I was talking to you about this before the show, I'll talk about this idea maybe a little | ||
| bit now, but there is an ability, a technical ability but not a legal one, to embrace and | ||
| extend these platforms, where you build a Facebook 2, you log into it with your Facebook | ||
| credentials and it gives you everything in Facebook 1 plus more. | ||
| And when you comment on Facebook 2, it backports the Facebook 1 for the people who are still on there, and so on. | ||
| And this is a way that we could evolve our way out of the status quo, so we wouldn't be trapped in this equilibrium that no one is happy with. | ||
| It's laws that stop these things from being built. | ||
| So big tech companies use laws to shut down competitors. | ||
| I mean, the fact that, I mean, you know, IP is a big one. | ||
| You know, you're still $10, you know, Apple owns rounded black corners. | ||
| You know, Oracle, I think they ended up losing the case, but it went on for 10 years where Oracle potentially owned the set of Java APIs, which made it so that, you know, you couldn't be competitive with phones. | ||
| There's the Computer Fraud Anti-Abuse Act. | ||
| This is a big one that a lot of people don't know about. | ||
| It says, like, basically, unauthorized access to a computer is a federal crime. | ||
| And what these big tech companies do is they say, well, if you're scraping public data, and we tell you to stop, you're now violating the CFAA, and that's a federal crime. | ||
| They don't even need to tell you to stop. | ||
| The government just literally says, yeah, we decided it's a crime. | ||
| But this kills PadMapper, if anyone remembers that service. | ||
| Yeah, that was illegal. | ||
| It was showing apartments on a map. | ||
| So you could pull up a map and it would show you listings for rentals. | ||
| There was a small company, it was like one guy, he built this service where if Southwest changed their flight fees, it would tell you, because if you call Southwest when they lower the price of the flight, they'll give you the money back, but you have to contact them. | ||
| And Southwest said, stop scraping our site, and if you don't, we're going to call the FBI. | ||
| So you can't look up our public price data. | ||
| Misappropriation of government can stifle innovation, but no government allows corporations to send armed men into the other startups and kill everyone in the building and then make sure that no one starts up. | ||
| Well, all right. | ||
| So that's a much different debate as to how would these competing interests play out. | ||
| In terms of violence, and I'm not going to, if we want to do the like, NCAP versus Minarchy debate, we can do it. | ||
| But I think that's separate from, like, we can assume a Minarchy, right? | ||
| So we can assume there's some small government that stops the companies from doing that. | ||
| But if they didn't have these additional laws that they were allowed to leverage to shut down their competitors, I actually think competition would be more robust than it is now. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right about that. | ||
| Big time, actually. | ||
| So, hmm. | ||
| Repeal the CFAA. | ||
| Build an island in the middle of the Pacific. | ||
| We could build islands and live on them. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I'm an optimist. | ||
| And this is why the world is getting better despite government getting worse. | ||
| Entrepreneurs always win. | ||
| Human creativity always wins. | ||
| Human ingenuity, the ability for humans to be creative, to come together, to work together, to come up with novel solutions. | ||
| I think it's why the world continues to get better, and I think it's why I think we'll get out of where we are with the big tech stuff. | ||
| Part of what's frustrating about it is it takes time. | ||
| It takes time for the new solutions. | ||
| I mean, you've had Mines on, you're having me on, you know, and I run Library, which also owns Odyssey. | ||
| And, you know, these things, they're getting big. | ||
| Odyssey grew from nothing to 40 million people a month in a year. | ||
| And it just takes time to grow to a billion people no matter how fast you're growing. | ||
| What do you think about federating minds and library? | ||
| Yeah, I'm all for interoperability. | ||
| And that's part of the beauty of all this stuff. | ||
| When everything is open source, when everything is permissionless, we're able to innovate so much faster. | ||
| And I think all of the creative energy – like, you know, Google's a zombie, man. | ||
| The smartest, most creative people They don't want to work at Google. | ||
| They don't want to work under a culture where you have to adhere to a woke ideology. | ||
| And if you don't, you're going to lose your job. | ||
| They don't want to sit through three hours of diversity and inclusion workshops a week and have to go through all that training and have to put, you know, pronouns in their signature and all this stuff. | ||
| I'm not saying none of them do, but most of them don't. | ||
| I was thinking last night, Google, is it just that it's too big? | ||
| Part of it is that it takes just such a long time. | ||
| I mean, IBM has been sleepwalking for more than a decade and it's still such a large company. | ||
| It doesn't usually happen overnight where some startup takes down the incumbent. | ||
| And so when you're going through that five to ten year reality, which is how long it actually takes for these things to play out, it feels really slow and it feels like it's never going to happen. | ||
| But I think it's happening. | ||
| I think it's happening right now. | ||
| I think we're going through. | ||
| It's like a constant resurgence, and then it falls away and fertilizes the soil where new things appear. | ||
| With Google, I remember when Google Plus came out, and they had YouTube and Google Plus, and it was like, why didn't they just make YouTube the social network? | ||
| They were trying to. | ||
| And then they had this company, this part of it running Google Plus and part of it running YouTube, and they didn't know what the other hand was doing, and it was a mess. | ||
| YouTube was trying to turn, uh, Google was trying to turn YouTube into Google Plus, and it was backfiring bad. | ||
| And it was causing a lot of problems. | ||
| But the intent, it was happening, was that YouTube would be Google Plus. | ||
| And then they were like, it's not working. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it makes me think that it's too big, that you can't, it's just too much authority and too many levels of authority of things getting passed down that it's less effect, loses affectivity. | ||
| Yeah, no, and that's such an important concept, and I think it's a mistake a lot of people make in their thinking, is they think of like, oh, Google's like a coherent entity. | ||
| Like, oh, the CEO just said stuff, and then, like, things happen. | ||
| It's like, you know, true of governments, true of large corporations. | ||
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It's a blob. | |
| Well, no, but it's a bunch of individual agents, all with their own, like, local incentives. | ||
| And a lot of times, inside of the large thing, they're competing interests. | ||
| They're competing branches of government that are at odds with one another. | ||
| They're competing factions of Google that are at odds with one another. | ||
| There's not an ability for one person to just issue some top-down order and then everything happens. | ||
| And the most creativity, the best stuff happens when you have people with that bottom-up incentive where they believe in the mission and they want to do the right thing. | ||
| Very few jobs, especially creative work, can be purely quantified where it's like, oh, produce your 40 widgets of stuff and we're going to win because we're producing 40 widgets of creativity per week. | ||
| It's not the way it works. | ||
| It's not the way true creation happens. | ||
| Let's go to Super Chats. | ||
| If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, go to TimCast.com. | ||
| We'll have a members only segment coming up later on 11 or so PM. | ||
| Let's read what y'all have to say. | ||
| Dragon's Pride says all disrespect intended. | ||
| If Libertarians would have voted for Trump, we wouldn't be in this mess. | ||
| The problem with that is the assumption that Libertarians share the values of Trump supporters. | ||
| And I think as we can see with New Hampshire, a lot of Libertarians don't. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, Trump grew the federal budget. | ||
| If Trump had followed his impulses, he might have been better on COVID than he was, but he didn't. | ||
| Trump said he was going to end the wars, but he didn't. | ||
| And I say all this as someone who thinks Trump would have been better than Biden, right? | ||
| Those are my choices. | ||
| You know Trump was not a particularly libertarian president and Trump would have continued to grow government and so on and so like would it have happened more slowly? | ||
| Maybe but but this is these are two terrible choices here no matter what if you're a libertarian and All right. | ||
| Michael Fernando Melo says, nice. | ||
| Free State New Hampshire is on my short list. | ||
| Best city TC. | ||
| Is Firdamistan going to be in Maryland or West Virginia? | ||
| Sounds tempting. | ||
| Only one is constitutional carry though. | ||
| It's going to be in West Virginia. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| There's a lot of land in West Virginia, like hundreds of acres. | ||
| It's relatively cheap. | ||
| And apparently there are investors who are interested in a freedom community and wealthy ones. | ||
| But I don't know if that's for me. | ||
| There are some other people I know who might want to run something like that. | ||
| We want to do mostly more like a hacker acreage, a hacker farm, where people can build blimps and stuff. | ||
| Oh yeah, and we're moving on the Zeppelin project, right? | ||
| Big announcement. | ||
| So there's a story I'll just tell you real quick. | ||
| For a long time, for some reason, Wikipedia claimed I invented some kind of live-streaming Zeppelin. | ||
| I don't know why they claim this. | ||
| It had something to do with some article where I think a friend of mine made like a passive comment and then a journalist, you know, someone said something like, it'd be really cool if we had like a Zeppelin that could just be resting on your roof and then like just go up and anywhere in the world you could dial in and just have access to this live streaming aerial camera. | ||
| And then someone claimed I did it and then Wikipedia put it in and it said Tim Pool invented the Zeppelin stream or something. | ||
| And then I was like, this isn't true. | ||
| And they wouldn't remove it Finally, they removed it. | ||
| And as a point of spite, I said, nah, I'm actually going to invent it. | ||
| And so it's under, it's under construction. | ||
| It's going to be here and we're going to film it. | ||
| And then the funny thing is, is where it gets confusing. | ||
| The original article will retroactively become true. | ||
| So what, what happens? | ||
| Can Wikipedia put that article in? | ||
| Because what it's saying is true, even though it's missing the context of it wasn't true when it was written. | ||
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| Isn't that amazing? | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| Like, if there was an article that said, Ian has long hair, and they put it in, but then Ian didn't have long hair, he had short hair, and then people are like, this is fake news, get rid of it. | ||
| And then Ian grew his hair out, and they're like, now it's true, put it back. | ||
| I'm like, but that's the, don't, that article's not true, you need to write a new one. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| It'll make it, and then you know what we're thinking of doing? | ||
| We're thinking of naming the Zeppelin something like, in, um, Well, we're going to name it like in 2012. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| We'll name the hangar in 2012. | ||
| So in 2012, no. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| We'll name the hangar 2012 or whatever. | ||
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In 2012. | |
| Or 2012. | ||
| In 2012, Tim built a Zeppelin. | ||
| Yeah, we'll name the hanger, quote, in 2012. | ||
| In 2012, Tim built a Zeppelin. | ||
| It'll be called, yeah, in 2012. | ||
| So it'll say, Tim Pool built the Zeppelin in a hangar in 2012. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| In the hangar? | ||
| It would just be called 2012. | ||
| We'd be like, welcome to 2012. | ||
| And they'd be like, in 2012, Tim built that Zeppelin. | ||
| No, it would say like a hangar called. | ||
| Yeah, if you guys have ideas, man. | ||
| Send them on, tweet them out. | ||
| So we were thinking of naming it something so that when they write in the article it would confuse people and they wouldn't know when it was made? | ||
| Yeah, I think this is perfect. | ||
| Yeah, Zeppelin's gonna be maniac. | ||
| It's gonna be awesome. | ||
| Man, Wikipedia's gone so downhill, though. | ||
| But I'm really just interested how they'll respond to this because it's like a really interesting bind for the editors to be in. | ||
| Like, we've officially, it exists. | ||
| We've been working with some people. | ||
| We've got it, I think it's mostly done. | ||
| And so we're gonna unveil it, but it's happened. | ||
| So now, I will say this definitively. | ||
| That article that claimed I did invent the Zeppelin is now correct. | ||
| Well, technically, we didn't invent it. | ||
| We're using technology that's already invented. | ||
| What does invent mean? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We had this one pieced together for us. | ||
| I don't know, I'm gonna go with the article's still false. | ||
| Because it wasn't true when it was written. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, I think that means it's false. | ||
| But if someone read it to you without the date, it would be a true statement. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't think that's how the truth works. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm just curious how Wikipedia responds to that. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But also, Ian, you underestimate what invention is. | ||
| Maybe I do, yeah. | ||
| You really do. | ||
| So, like, you know, when an alarm clock is invented, they're like, we have speakers and we have these things. | ||
| And they're like, oh, I know. | ||
| I can buy the timer from Jim so that when the timer stops, it rings the bell. | ||
| Oh, yeah, we'll be modding the heck out of that thing. | ||
| That's what invention is. | ||
| It's standing on the shoulders of giants. | ||
| So certainly, you know, uh, a lot of, this is what you really gotta understand about phones too, and like all modern tech. | ||
| It's basically a company shops around saying, can you build something like this? | ||
| And they'll be like, we'll make it. | ||
| And they put the pieces together and say, look what we've created. | ||
| You know, it's a new, a new invention or something. | ||
| So, you know, let's read some more. | ||
| Let's see what we got. | ||
| All right, let's see. | ||
| Nightingale Mori says, what's the Safe and Ready Meals promo? | ||
| What is it, safeandreadymeals.com? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I am not doing a promo for them, because that would be a specific thing, but we sometimes do promote safeandreadymeals.com. | ||
| I don't know how that works, because normally when you read the promo, you have to tell YouTube, but if someone asks us and we just tell them what it is, what if I ask you? | ||
| That might be a promo. | ||
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I want to ask you about what's in your water bottle over there. | |
| The Eternal Reds. | ||
| Those are delicious, by the way. | ||
| Yeah, you know, we shouted them out yesterday. | ||
| It's like, I legit drink this stuff, dude. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| Yeah, put it in the water and get that vitamin C. Timothy Peterson says, never laughed as hard watching ShimCast as I did last night. | ||
| Ian mid-tangent said, what were we talking about? | ||
| I was honest. | ||
| Ian is an enigma. | ||
| That was during the members only, right? | ||
| We were talking about our souls being devoured by Cthulhu. | ||
| And I was thinking of the magnetic fields going to bigger magnetic fields. | ||
| I'm like, what if the biggest magnetic field is Cthulhu? | ||
| All of a sudden, all of a sudden, mid-sentence, he looked at Jack and goes, I forgot what I'm talking about. | ||
| What are we talking about? | ||
| I was looking in his eyes. | ||
| You know, one of those. | ||
| Connections. | ||
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Distracting. | |
| Yep. | ||
| All right, let's see. | ||
| Adam Spaulding says, NHNative here, 100% support the Free State Project. | ||
| Yeah, that's right Adam. | ||
| Hope to see you at some Free State meetups. | ||
| Bogdanoff says, Tim, just 200k pool. | ||
| Well, how about I can help give some lessons to those who aren't familiar with the market. | ||
| 200,000 for a property is actually really, really cheap because you don't walk in with a check for $200,000. | ||
| You need, and often, maybe only 5% of that. | ||
| And then you walk in, which could still be a lot, mind you, but you go to a bank and you say, I'd like a loan for property. | ||
| This is how you get a mortgage on property. | ||
| So if you're looking at 100 acres, And it's, what is that? | ||
| $2,000 per acre? | ||
| Ridiculously cheap. | ||
| You look in like Western West Virginia and it's like 30 acres for a million dollars. | ||
| So yeah, that is really, really cheap. | ||
| If you live in the suburbs or like the South side of Chicago, the houses there are a couple hundred grand, 180 to 200. | ||
| You go to a bank, sometimes you can do no money down and you get a loan to buy it. | ||
| So yeah, 200K is cheap. | ||
| It's all relative. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Justin Temm says, Student pilot here. | ||
| Something that I have found so asinine about the Green New Deal is that it views turbines, | ||
| jet engines, as dirty when turbines are easily twice as efficient as other ICEs for aircraft. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Wait, you're saying that the authors of the Green New Deal got something scientifically | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| sound like that. | ||
| It was interesting. | ||
| Koldilocks production says YouTube isn't liking the streams topic right now. | ||
| Lots of stream freezes means Tim's talking about the right topics. | ||
| Keep it up guys. | ||
| It's probably you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I really doubt YouTube likes you. | ||
| They do not. | ||
| We have had our Odyssey app has been in review at YouTube for seven weeks. | ||
| And I have some inside, I don't want to say too much, but I know I have good information That it has been sort of flagged to the highest level. | ||
| I don't know about your experience with Library, but my experience in Mines is whenever there's like technical glitches, very, very, very, 98.9% of the time, it's like a back-end glitch. | ||
| And people think they're being censored, and they're like freaking out, and I'm like, dude, this is tech, man. | ||
| We rolled out a new update. | ||
| Yeah, I mean especially, I mean look, some people are sort of more conspiratorially minded, and so everything is a conspiracy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I don't know how to read Cyrillic, so I'll just say it like it's not. | ||
| Tabby says, or Taboo. | ||
| Oh, okay, that's Taboo. | ||
| Last night's members show with Jack got pretty heated. | ||
| Hope you guys were cool after the fact. | ||
| Now this is the part where I say first time super chat. | ||
| Oh, yeah, but the two weeks before was even more heated on the show. | ||
| We debated for like a half hour, went viral. | ||
| So, oh, yeah, dude, if... | ||
| If you can't, you know, there's no principle to stand by or you're not standing by your principles if you're not going to get into an actual argument with people that you know and trust and be willing to, like, recognize you disagree on very core issues. | ||
| That's literally, like, the purpose of what we do here for the most part is Yeah, I disagree with Charlie Kirk when he came and I'm | ||
| like, wow, I really don't agree with him on this or that issue. | ||
| But yeah, it's just the way it is. What are you going to do? | ||
| You're going to get all mad. | ||
| I think mature responsible adults recognize they're like, man, I really disagree with Jack on those points. Cool, | ||
| dude. Great guy. | ||
| We're looking forward to having him back in a couple weeks when he comes back. This makes me feel like we haven't | ||
| disagreed enough. | ||
| Yeah, this is just the beginning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| I think I think my strongest moral foundation is probably liberty, you know? | ||
| So when it comes to like a lot of issues on government stuff, I'm like, man, we can make a lot of good arguments on that one. | ||
| And then when it comes to should the government have the authority? | ||
| And I'm usually like, no, probably not, because they screw things up and kill people, you know? | ||
| So, yeah, I do think the the crossover we needed most was the Black Lives Matter anti-mandate, you know, protests. | ||
| Yeah, which, of course, will get zero coverage. | ||
| It'll get co-opted. | ||
| Harvey Slayer says, I don't think secession is the answer, necessarily. | ||
| A seceded state can become more tyrannical than it was before. | ||
| Take California, for instance. | ||
| These problems will persist unless people oversee Gov. | ||
| Operation Moore always hold their feet to the fire. | ||
| Yeah, but I've been thinking about this. | ||
| Why should I care how Californians live? | ||
| It's not tyranny unless you don't like it. | ||
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That's true. | |
| This is, you know, I've gotten heat for saying this, but I think libertarians are the most | ||
| oppressed minority. | ||
| I think the most oppressed minority in the country. | ||
| Because it's not a, if you support what the government does, it's not oppressing. | ||
| If I want to be whipped, I'm not being oppressed, right? | ||
| So if you look at how much is any group of people dominated? | ||
| How much does the government dominate a group of people? | ||
| How much is it absolutely taking away their right to live the way that they want to? | ||
| Libertarians are more oppressed than any minority. | ||
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100%. | |
| I agree. | ||
| Although I have heard the phrase benevolent tyrant. | ||
| Like sometimes people can dictate through tyranny but do really good stuff with it. | ||
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| There was a guy in ancient Athens that did that. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Turned Athens into the greatest trade colony in the world. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Hugo Chavez, you know, taught people how to... This guy legit walked into this nothing backwoods Athens and turned it into a global... | ||
| I'm on my way. | ||
| Hey, George Washington had to act as a tyrant for a short period of time and then he gave up the power. | ||
| I understand the concept. | ||
| I'm saying I do not agree with the idea that you can be a benevolent tyrant. | ||
| You don't think you can dictate by decree and do good things with it? | ||
| Is there a local restaurant here that you like? | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| that you can be a benevolent tyrant. | ||
| You don't think you can dictate by decree and do good things with it? | ||
| Uh, I think you can do good things, but it doesn't make you benevolent. | ||
| It makes you a tyrant. | ||
| Is there a local restaurant here that you like? | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| Alright. Do you think they're benevolent to you? | ||
| Define what you mean by that. | ||
| Do you view them as benevolently? | ||
| I'm not trying to, this isn't like a trap. | ||
| I think there's no right answer to this question. | ||
| But what do you mean by benevolent in this context? | ||
| Well, like, in the same way that benevolent would mean, are they kind to you? | ||
| Are they being good to you? | ||
| The restaurant? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I honestly would say... | ||
| Indeterminate? | ||
| Look, when you sit down and they're like, hi, thanks for coming, here's your menu, and then say, I'll have the chicken wings, and say okay, and they come back and give you the chicken wings, it's not really an interaction there. | ||
| Yeah, they might not be benevolent. | ||
| Because, like, most restaurants are dictatorships. | ||
| Most companies are dictatorships. | ||
| And they're serving you. | ||
| All corporations are basically authoritarian. | ||
| There are laws stopping companies from doing certain things, but they're not necessarily dictatorships. | ||
| I mean, there's a trade agreement there. | ||
| There's a mutual understanding. | ||
| They're not going to spit in your food, and you're not going to throw it on the floor. | ||
| Sure, but I mean, like, they're typically owned by a single person or a family. | ||
| They have complete authority. | ||
| If they want to kick someone off the property, they can do that. | ||
| If they want to fire someone, they can do that. | ||
| They can change the menu the next day. | ||
| They can make whatever they want. | ||
| They can change this at all the prices. | ||
| They decide everything about the weather. | ||
| Yeah, but you're comparing, like, a government to a building. | ||
| This defines tyrant as an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution. | ||
| So it doesn't say anything about good or evil. | ||
| It's just absolute ruling authority. | ||
| The reason why I say you can't be a benevolent tyrant is that there will always be people who say I disagree, and if the tyrant says I'm not constrained and can do whatever I want, he will be crushing and oppressing those people who disagree, even if they disagree for stupid reasons. | ||
| You can have an individual who is genuinely the smartest, most, uh, the kindest person who says, I know how to solve all the world's problems. | ||
| And if someone says, I demand my voice be heard, and he says, no, you're wrong. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Tyrant, not benevolent. | ||
| Well, what if there's like a hundred people and one guy says, I'm in charge and I need to get us across the river because the wildfire is coming. | ||
| And one guy goes, no, we need to stay here. | ||
| Then he can stay. | ||
| And the tyrant says, No, we're going, and takes everyone. | ||
| So he saved everyone's life. | ||
| Yeah, I disagree with that. | ||
| They would consider him a saint. | ||
| They would love him and praise him for saving their lives. | ||
| What are your thoughts on that? | ||
| It reminds me of the drunk driving hypothetical. | ||
| So I can say what I'll do, right? | ||
| So the scenario is like, your friend is extremely- Well, no, no, no. | ||
| I'm curious, direct answer to what he asked. | ||
| Is it- There's a hundred people on a shoreline, you know, in front of a river with a wildfire approaching. | ||
| One man says, we do not cross. | ||
| He takes him by force across the river. | ||
| Or he leaves the other 99 and leaves the guy, whatever. | ||
| I mean, well certainly, I see no reason with taking the 99 and leaving the guy. | ||
| To be honest, I don't really have a problem with also forcing the guy, in terms of what I do. | ||
| I don't really think there are very many absolute moral rules. | ||
| I think they all break down. | ||
| I think forcing the person is authoritarianism. | ||
| Sure, but it might be good. | ||
| It could still be good. | ||
| But who are you to decide for someone else when they make a decision for their life? | ||
| I'm not going to go to the mat on this one. | ||
| I'm fine with leaving them. | ||
| To use the force of a large crowd on a person who says... You know what's funny is the problem with that circumstance is that it turns out the reason the one guy says don't cross was because the river was full of piranhas. | ||
| And then he forces them in the river and he gets killed. | ||
| He'll die. | ||
| Here's one you might agree with if you don't like that one. | ||
| Your friend is extremely drunk. | ||
| Alright, and he says that, yeah, I'm gonna get in my car and I'm gonna drive home. | ||
| Drunk is very different. | ||
| Well, but in other words, you decide to wrestle him to the ground and take his keys and throw him into the woods so he can't drive home. | ||
| You violated his property rights and you dominated his hair. | ||
| Yeah, I disagree. | ||
| That's absolutely not the same thing. | ||
| A guy's bleeding on the ground and you're like, if I don't put pressure on the wound, you'll die. | ||
| Don't you dare touch me! | ||
| I'm putting the pressure on the wound. | ||
| I'm not saying these are exactly the same scenario. | ||
| Well, if you put, wait, if you put, so that's it. | ||
| So, alright, the drunk driving one, the idea is that the behavior's creating some externalities, so maybe it's different, but if you put pressure on the wound when the guy says no, how's that different than carrying him across the bridge? | ||
| You don't know what's in the river. | ||
| You don't know why he's objecting. | ||
| And so, you also do have to consider that when someone's... So, there's extreme circumstances where we act in the best of our abilities to, like, legitimately save a life when it's obvious. | ||
| You know, like, if you are coming across a very complex situation, and one man says, I hereby decree, and you say, no, that's wrong, and he says, shut up, and uses the force of the mob to shut you down, often, you could end up walking into a river full of piranhas, and then you all die. | ||
| Maybe the guy bleeding to death wants to die because he's about to... Wanting to die is different from saying, I object on these grounds. | ||
| But you might, the tyrant may know that there's danger, whereas the person who's objecting doesn't know. | ||
| It's still complex social situations. | ||
| We cannot create a circumstance in which a tyrant can just say, I'm smarter than you, therefore you must. | ||
| No, but if they have knowledge that you don't have and there's a dissension... Okay, then let's play the game. | ||
| 99 people come to the river and the one benevolent tyrant says, I know the river is safe, he's wrong, let's force him across. | ||
| And then the next time they come across the river, the moron says, I'm in charge! | ||
| And then throws everybody off a cliff. | ||
| And the guy's like, don't throw me off the cliff, please! | ||
| And they're like, you do as you're told, and then do it. | ||
| So history would write the first guy as a benevolent tyrant, the second guy would be an idiot dictator. | ||
| The point is, this is why we don't allow absolute power. | ||
| That's why we prevent against it, yeah, because it can go haywire. | ||
| Because it will go haywire. | ||
| Well, not always. | ||
| No, there are definitely instances throughout history of tyranny being very good. | ||
| It's the exception, not the rule. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| You create a circumstance where someone can oppress people because they think they're smarter and that is what you will get. | ||
| Now, if there's an emergency and someone's lying on the ground and they're bleeding and they're like, don't touch me, don't touch me, that happens all the time. | ||
| And it's like, bro, this is a very different circumstance where we legit know you're bleeding. | ||
| Or a drunk driver where they're not within their right frame of mind. | ||
| I don't think you would get the outcome of sort of like evil behavior if there's competition between tyrants. | ||
| Well, yeah, a tyrant has absolute power. | ||
| If there's competition, they're not a tyrant. | ||
| Well, he's talking about a tyrant. | ||
| I suppose there's still tyrants. | ||
| Of a city-state. | ||
| I mean, there's competition in the case of city-states. | ||
| I think, you know, this is a very specific example, but for the most part, there's always going to be someone who either doesn't understand, who understands better, or quite frankly just refuses to comply. | ||
| And the idea that a tyrant is going to go to someone who says, I refuse to comply, and says, we're gonna force you, that is not benevolence. | ||
| It is just someone who has convinced the people he is better for some reason. | ||
| But sometimes the ignorant person really is making a bad decision, and the tyrant has to correct for that. | ||
| You know, the issue is that, it's like the quote I mentioned before, the idea that some people are just stupid so they need smarter people to lead them, but they're basically the same. | ||
| There's an average. | ||
| Are there smarter people? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Look at all of our leaders. | ||
| Man, imagine if Joe Biden got dictatorial power and could just demand by edict people be forced to get vaccinated. | ||
| So there's, and you have all the Democrats saying, what a good leader, and they're cheering for him, saying, that's a benevolent dictator, a benevolent tyrant, and I'm saying, it doesn't matter whether you think you're right or wrong, this should not be allowed, because you're not always right, and often could be wrong, and we need a balance of power. | ||
| We need to decentralize. | ||
| Centralized authority, in my opinion, is almost always bad. | ||
| I'm not big on absolutes because sometimes George Washington needs to say, we have to do this because we're in a war and there are emergencies. | ||
| Sometimes Abraham Lincoln says, I'm going to do some things that are really awful that we think are still bad to this day. | ||
| But we're like, man, was slavery just really bad? | ||
| So we're kind of, we kind of accept that he did bad things. | ||
| We still will say it was tyrannical. | ||
| Let's read some more Super Chats because we, uh, gotta read more Super Chats. | ||
| Mark Neal says, what's the free state view on immigration? | ||
| Asking as a Canadian who wants to escape and be free. | ||
| If you are liberty-minded, we want you in New Hampshire regardless where you come from. | ||
| We obviously don't control federal immigration laws, but also we're not darks, so do what you gotta do. | ||
| I know some people who have What's it called when you get married to get into a country? | ||
| There's like some term for that. | ||
| Anyway, come and meet a partner. | ||
| So if you're having trouble getting citizenship, come for a vacation. | ||
| Come meet some nice New Hampshire woman or nice New Hampshire man. | ||
| Your best and your brightest. | ||
| The TJ Drummer says, Oregonian here, sick of the Pacific Northwest and Democrat control. | ||
| Wife and I are looking at West Virginia and New Hampshire and would gladly join the Liberty Movement. | ||
| You see, it's tough. | ||
| I tell people to go to West Virginia because, you know, we're expanding here. | ||
| We're bringing people down. | ||
| We've moved quite a few people out here. | ||
| But we don't have this grand mission of anything. | ||
| Like the Free State Project. | ||
| Although maybe, I would say, maybe we should. | ||
| But I don't want to take away from New Hampshire, you know what I mean? | ||
| It would be amazing if there were two of us, though. | ||
| Like, they can't chop the heads off of all the gophers if they all stand at once. | ||
| But it would also split the power. | ||
| If people really want a Free State Project, New Hampshire's the way to go. | ||
| West Virginia's got its freedoms and we're happy there. | ||
| Maybe we'll set something up in New Hampshire for the future. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think it's something you can really dilute. | ||
| Look, what I'd say, number one thing is come for a visit. | ||
| Come check it out. | ||
| Don't window shop the rest of your life. | ||
| Come inside, try it on, see how you like it. | ||
| and that's what you should really think of mentally as the next step. | ||
| You know, look, some people go all the way to Seoul, and that's awesome. | ||
| And so if you're ready to move tomorrow, get on the plane, we're happy to welcome you. | ||
| But I think that like the number one thing is to come up for that visit, | ||
| come check it out and get plugged in and meet the people here. | ||
| We'll connect, if you have a family, we'll connect you with similar families. | ||
| Whatever your interests are, we'll connect you with people of similar interests. | ||
| So if someone was gonna do that, would they get like an Airbnb somewhere? | ||
| What would you advise? | ||
| Like where would they go to stay? | ||
| So we have a FSP.org slash visit has a form. | ||
| You fill it out. | ||
| A human being, a real live, real one, not an AI, not a chat bot, a member of the FSP staff, typically a woman named Chris Lopez will reach out to you. | ||
| She's awesome. | ||
| Shout out to Chris. | ||
| She'll she'll contact you and she'll talk to you. | ||
| She'll help you plan a trip. | ||
| She'll learn about you and that kind of thing. | ||
| Easy times to come are Liberty Forum, which is the first weekend in March, nhlibertyforum.com, Porkfest, the end of June, porkfest.com, but you can come out for a trip anytime. | ||
| There's events non-stop. | ||
| There's a calendar at fsp.org slash calendar. | ||
| There are like four Liberty events a day throughout the state, so there's always stuff going on regardless of when you come. | ||
| But is there like a Fredama stand? | ||
| Has someone set up a large acreage where you can just come and hang out and have fun? | ||
| There's a place called Croydon Farms, which definitely has some vibes to this place where people come in and out of there. | ||
| They have a farm, they have a bunch of animals, they have regular potluck dinners, and stuff like this. | ||
| And that's definitely a lot of people, especially people interested in farming and more rural, off-the-grid type living, | ||
| a lot of people enter the community that way. | ||
| But people who want to do it more like, urbanly, like, I run an Airbnb. | ||
| I have three different rooms for libertarians. | ||
| People are coming, and I do it off Airbnb too, but people come in all the time, | ||
| and just come in for a visit. | ||
| I talk to people who are more interested in entrepreneurship and blockchain. | ||
| I'm not a farmer. | ||
| So there's all kinds of people, and so that's part of why I don't know you, but if you contact the organization, we'll learn about you and we'll help you figure out what makes sense for you. | ||
| What we're doing with our Ferdamastan is, it's gonna be... I mean, it's almost 50 acres, so we can set up a shooting range. | ||
| We're gonna have, like, a biking area. | ||
| We're gonna be very, very strict with our range. | ||
| It's not gonna be a very open-to-the-public kind of thing. | ||
| But we are gonna have... It's gonna be a private space. | ||
| Mostly invite-only. | ||
| Only public in the sense that members of TimCats.com might, you know, gain access in certain circumstances when we do events. | ||
| We're gonna do events and then we'll sell limited, you know, tickets. | ||
| We could probably accommodate, like, several hundred people. | ||
| But we're gonna have a big facility with, you know, skateboarding, biking, scooters, blades, all that stuff. | ||
| We're gonna have music. | ||
| We're gonna have a big stage. | ||
| We're gonna have dirt jumps. | ||
| We have a pond. | ||
| We're gonna set up all this just cool freedom stuff. | ||
| And the facility is gonna be like a hackerspace. | ||
| So we're going to be making drones and blimps. | ||
| We're going to build gliders. | ||
| I'll make a flight suit and jump off the building with it or something. | ||
| Just having fun, experimenting, having a good time. | ||
| And playing music, playing video games. | ||
| It's going to be amazing. | ||
| That sounds sweet. | ||
| And I think this is the future. | ||
| Getting together with like-minded people. | ||
| I think it's a much better way to live. | ||
| I'm so happy raising my kids in New Hampshire compared to what it would have been like if I was still in Philadelphia. | ||
| Oh yeah, someone said free Kekistan. | ||
| I'll buy a big piece of land and we'll give it to some memers. | ||
| Yeah, you might need an embassy, maybe. | ||
| Maybe you need an embassy. | ||
| Isn't there like, there's like some small plot of land in Nevada that declared independence and the federal government just was like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| That's actually what makes the federal, you know, if you don't like it, leave, is a valid principle. | ||
| Like, if there's actually this competition for government. | ||
| The governments don't follow their own rules. | ||
| You know, we saw it with Liberland, we saw it with Sealand, if people know the story of Sealand, where they knocked this island off, but violated all the rules. | ||
| And they do it, you know, so when people try to start something new, the governments get together and they shut it down. | ||
| And there is effectively- The Sharana. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| You want to know why government's so bad? | ||
| Imagine if we went back in time to like 1900 and we said all the restaurants in existence, that's it. | ||
| There's no one's allowed to ever start a new restaurant. | ||
| The existing chains can continue to operate, but that's it. | ||
| There will never be a new one. | ||
| Like, would restaurants be good today? | ||
| No. | ||
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| And that's what happened with government. | ||
| The beauty of America is it was this new thing. | ||
| It was an experiment. | ||
| It was people putting their own skin in the game to come and try a different way of living. | ||
| And it was better than everything that came before and it was so good that Europe copied it. | ||
| That other people copied what happened in America. | ||
| And that's what we want to happen again, is people getting together, putting their skin in the game, saying, let's try a new and better way to live, and then if it works, people will copy us. | ||
| We'll do one more. | ||
| Garhent says, please have Ian do the political compass. | ||
| He's the millennial authoritarian who says they aren't. | ||
| He doesn't like New Hampshire seceding, and now he wants a computer program to rule a state. | ||
| It's long-haired Stalin plus herbs. | ||
| You misrepresent it. | ||
| I don't want it to rule the state. | ||
| I want it to advise the governor. | ||
| Also, I think secession is dangerous, so I'm wargaming the potentialities of mismanaging something like that. | ||
| I'm not against creating new states of union, though. | ||
| Alright, let's see. | ||
| We'll do one more. | ||
| We'll do two more. | ||
| Stephen D Parker Jr. says Tim I am a teacher not far from you our vax minute | ||
| goes in November 1st. One creepy rule is that unvaxed must register with the | ||
| County Health Department. Wow. William Barger I am a New Hampshire native, Mises Caucus guy, LP member, TimCast listener for years. | ||
| New Hampshire is the best. | ||
| You'll be blown away when you see how many Libertarians are here and really plug into the community. | ||
| Come visit and see. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| I think we'll have to set up our like New Hampshire campus and start experimenting as well. | ||
| Totally in the realm of possibility. | ||
| You want to do a, can you do road trips to Porkfest or something like that? | ||
| Where exactly is Porkfest held? | ||
| It's about two hours north of Manchester. | ||
| So if we can get land near that area, so we can set up a production facility, we can actually just schedule the show for a New Hampshire site and then go there. | ||
| There's a space that we could give you to use as a studio for when you're there. | ||
| We'd have to build something and have something static and people working there, maintaining the property, making the equipment, make sure it's safe and all that stuff. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Well, the space is set up for that. | ||
| It's at a campsite where it's like, so like, basically, you can actually literally buy a lot. | ||
| That's the trickiest part. | ||
| Well, they got Starlink in upstate New York now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's active. | ||
| And, you know, maybe we'll have to test that out. | ||
| It's fast enough. | ||
| But we'll see. | ||
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| You really got to check out the last Members Only we did with Alex Jones. | ||
| It was an hour and a half. | ||
| It was a long conversation. | ||
| It was a whole lot of fun. | ||
| The man is out of control. | ||
| He is a powerful entity who will speak and there's nothing anyone can do to stop him. | ||
| But it was great. | ||
| It was really fascinating. | ||
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| You'll earn some cryptocurrency for watching videos and you can enjoy Tim's show on there as well. | ||
| Yeah, I think you can port your YouTube account into Odyssey pretty seamlessly. | ||
| Yeah, if you're a YouTube creator, it's one of those things where I actually lie to people and say it's harder than it is, because if I tell them it's as easy as it actually is, they won't believe you. | ||
| Like, I'm like, it takes under a minute. | ||
| They're like, that's not true. | ||
| So I started telling people, I'm like, it takes like five minutes, because that's more believable. | ||
| But it's very, very easy. | ||
| You click one button, it brings over your entire show. | ||
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| It's incredible. | ||
| Mines does that too. | ||
| Ongoing, not just the past. | ||
| It will bring over your future content. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Thanks for coming, man. | ||
| Great stuff. | ||
| Thanks, this was awesome. | ||
| Ian Crossland, peace out. | ||
| And you guys, I hope you enjoyed tonight's conversation. | ||
| I'm going to have to visit New Jersey. | ||
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| Come join me over there. | ||
| It's a good time. | ||
| I'm pretty sure we're gonna be in the new studio on Monday. | ||
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| So that's big, the table's bigger, and we'll have some surprises for everybody come Monday in the new studio. | ||
| Tomorrow's gonna be a lot of fun. |
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