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Timcast IRL - New Hampshire Rep Moves To Secede From The United States w/Bill Ottman & Libby Emmons
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tim pool
Peace.
If you've not heard of it, you probably should be following our good friend Luke Rudkowski on Twitter or his YouTube channel because I'm pretty sure he's up there right now.
He'll be coming back soon, but he's a big fan of this.
Basically, the idea is they want everybody who's libertarian, liberty-minded to move to New Hampshire and pledge to support a free state.
And now a state rep has filed paperwork to secede from the union or whatever.
However, you know, you got to be really careful with this stuff because they're like considering a proposal drafted to be up for debate or something like that.
But basically the paperwork would put on the ballot that New Hampshire should be a free independent state.
It's a sovereign nation independent from the U.S.
And, uh, this is not surprising.
We know about the Free State Project.
We know about the people who are moving there and why they're doing it.
And I gotta tell you, as much as there's a lot of establishment people in New Hampshire going, No!
unidentified
Stop!
tim pool
Don't!
If the Free State Project works and people keep moving there that are staunch libertarian, anarcho-capitalist, or even some people are anarcho-communist and leftist, being like, yo, we'll take a free sovereign nation and build our own little commune.
If all of the true anarchists and libertarians do that, it's only a matter of time until you actually have a vote that passes and you have a state saying, we hereby secede.
So I'll tell you this, as much as this we can expect, there's a lot of stuff going on in this country that says to me, country's falling apart.
I mean people have been predicting divorce.
There was this tweet by Mike Cernovich earlier where he said something to the effect of it's the first time in history that the elites have tried to Subjugate an armed warrior class or like like take their children or something like that And we don't know how that will play out because there's no historical examples of this and like it's a good point You know people who leave the military and they're loaded up on guns like crazy are not gonna sit back.
So it's possible States just start breaking apart.
We already have in Texas They passed this bill with like, we're gonna make our own suppressors.
And the federal government has no jurisdiction over this.
And the federal government, the ATF, is like, yes we do.
And now they're arguing, you've got sanctuary gun laws, you've got sanctuary immigration states.
More and more, the federal government seems to be slowly fizzling in a lot of ways.
Joe Biden comes out and gives his announcements where he's basically only speaking to blue states.
We've seen it from NPR data on vaccination rates in states.
The states with the highest vaccination rates are all Biden states, and the states with low vaccination rates, like 40% and below, are all red states.
So when Biden comes out and says, our patience is wearing thin, He's looking right into the faces of the people in red states and saying, you better do what I'm telling you.
He's not saying to people in the blue states.
So that divide, it's there.
So we'll talk about a lot of the stuff.
We got some tech stuff to talk about, too.
There's a lot going on with the crypto space.
So we're being joined by Bill Ottman.
bill ottman
Hey, hey.
tim pool
Introduce yourself, good friend.
bill ottman
What's up, everyone?
I'm Bill, co-founder of Mines, Mines.com.
Whatever you do, don't go to Mines.com.
tim pool
There you go.
That's some Alex Jones stuff.
We got Libby.
She's back.
libby emmons
Hi.
How's it going?
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm the editor-in-chief of the Post Millennial.
tim pool
Right on.
libby emmons
Glad to be here.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
We have some stuff to talk about with the Post Millennial.
libby emmons
Oh, yeah.
For sure.
tim pool
Because I was tweeting up a storm about that VPN company.
Yeah.
So we'll get into that.
The cancel culture stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They're coming after Andy.
And, you know, we'll talk about that.
We got Ian Chilling.
ian crossland
Hello, everyone.
Ian Crossland up in the house.
Good to see everybody.
lydia smith
I always love it when we have two guests.
The conversation is tough to beat.
So I'm stoked for tonight.
tim pool
That's Lydia pressing all the buttons.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, that's me.
I press buttons in the corner.
tim pool
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No.
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Oh, okay.
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A cookbook.
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Tim, stop!
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That's a little different though.
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Ah, the world is falling apart.
From TimCast.com, New Hampshire lawmakers consider proposal to secede from the United States.
Amazing.
Lawmakers in New Hampshire are considering a constitutional amendment to secede from the rest of the country.
State Rep.
Mike Silvia filed a proposal that would make New Hampshire its own nation-state, independent from D.C.
There are hundreds of examples of the federal government overstepping its authority.
Enough is enough.
We should put this before the voters to decide.
Sylvia cited the U.S.
CDC and Prevention's eviction ban, Joe Biden's mandate, which requires federal workers to get the COVID vaccine as examples of federal overreach.
He also mentioned that New Hampshire, which has no state income tax, is obligated to pay federal income tax.
We are a donor state that pays out more in federal income taxes than we get back.
Seceding from the U.S.
would benefit residents financially, even if it does mean a loss of federal funding, the rep noted.
I want to make this point, too, about what they're saying about seceding.
Joe Biden now, with the eviction moratorium, he bypassed the legislature.
With the Supreme Court then saying, we're shutting it down, it's illegal.
And then him launching another moratorium, bypass the Supreme Court.
Now with this vaccine mandate, he is once again bypassing Congress.
We are a nation at this point.
So what Jack Murphy was saying the other day, we're not a republic anymore.
Laws are made when the sovereign decrees, and then the plebs are awarded a chance, if they are negatively impacted, to file a petition to the courts to challenge this new law.
That's the way this country's been run for the past two years, with all these lockdowns and everything.
Cuomo killed people.
Literally killed people in New York City.
So when New Hampshire comes out and says, hey, we're done with this, I'm like, people need to realize This is actually fairly serious.
And I'll tell you something else.
Something that had me thinking.
In Florida, for instance, where they banned... I'm pretty sure they banned the vaccine mandate.
Yeah, they did.
For business establishments.
In West Virginia, we went to this city called... I think it was called Thurmond.
I'm not sure.
And there was a train station that was federal property.
And there was a man inside working for the park service selling stuff.
And if you wanted to go in, you had to wear a mask.
Now, here's my question.
If Florida says you cannot have mask mandates, which they ban in schools, I'm pretty sure.
I'm not sure about for businesses.
libby emmons
They banned it for schools for sure.
tim pool
But what about businesses?
libby emmons
I'm not sure.
tim pool
So here's my point.
If a federal building is operating a business that sells merchandise in a state that says you cannot legally do this, which means the federal government is violating the law in the state.
Can state troopers go in and shut them down?
libby emmons
I'm pretty sure federal law supersedes, doesn't it, in a lot of cases?
tim pool
But there's no federal law mandating masks.
libby emmons
No, it's just a requirement.
It's just a presidential decree.
tim pool
So, and truth be told, in Florida, it is also a governor's decree.
So I think it should absolutely go through the legislature, even if it's Ron DeSantis or Abbott.
My question is, there is no law in the United States mandating masks.
So these federal buildings have no federal law saying they should be wearing masks.
unidentified
It's just a policy.
libby emmons
They just all do it.
Yeah.
tim pool
So if Florida does have a law, or at the very least, if Biden says my mandate is sound, okay, then Ron DeSantis says my policy is sound, then what gives the federal government actors the right to operate business in the state under violation of the state's executive orders?
bill ottman
Well, have there been any confrontations in Florida?
libby emmons
Well, that's that's so interesting because so much of this is about enforcement.
Right.
Right.
We haven't seen police are not able to enforce mask mandates.
Primarily, the New York City Police Department has refused to do that kind of enforcement.
New York City has this vaccine vaccine mandate thing.
The New York City Police Department is not enforcing it.
It's like civilians.
It's health inspectors.
It's random doofus hostesses at restaurants saying, excuse me, like, I really need to see your vax card and I.D.
That's what's going on.
So there hasn't been any violence about it at this point because there hasn't been any enforcement other than civilian on civilian enforcement.
We saw that in California when they were doing the lockdowns.
It was health inspectors versus like a business owner, you know?
tim pool
If you're in a restaurant in New York, you live in New York, right?
libby emmons
I do.
tim pool
If you go in, and I don't think you have experience with this, but I'm just wondering what your thoughts are, and someone says, can I see your Vax card?
And you say, no.
What are they going to do?
libby emmons
I don't know.
tim pool
Because the cops won't enforce it, you're saying?
libby emmons
Yeah, the cops are not going to enforce it.
I think then it's just a question of like, you standing there saying no, and the person there going, well, sorry.
There was actually a case today.
We ran a story about this in the Postmillennial.
It was this viral video.
I don't know if you saw it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
libby emmons
It was this like white restaurant manager or owner or whatever trying to kick a black family out of a restaurant.
Yikes!
It's dark stuff.
So it's like systemic racism for everything except this apparently and you had the rest of the patrons in the restaurant saying like oh you need to show your vax card and he's like we're not vaccinated and Yeah, he was citing a religious exemption.
tim pool
But the reason I brought this up in reference to New Hampshire, because I don't want to veer too much off of you talking about secession from the United States.
libby emmons
I think this family should move there.
tim pool
In the Civil War, what kicked it off was Fort Sumter, when these states were like, yo, we secede, screw you.
And then Union soldiers were still there.
And South Carolina, I think it was South Carolina, was like, yo, get your troops out.
And they were like, no.
And they said, then we're going to force you out.
And then the fight broke out.
And then a bunch of other states were like, dude!
Dude, we're out.
So if in one of these red states that has specifically issued a mandate,
like a law or an executive order or whatever, saying you cannot mandate masks,
and then there is a federal building saying, we will kick you out unless you wear a mask,
can the state then go to the federal government and say, get out, you're in violation of our laws?
And I know that's not as serious as soldiers occupying the base.
I'm just saying, like, the potential for a clash between states and the federal government exists.
That could be a single grain of sand that adds to the heap over time.
But I genuinely find that interesting, especially when West Virginia has no mask mandate.
But these federal buildings do have one.
I don't think West Virginia banned stores from having masks, and I don't think Florida did that either.
It's just kind of a hypothetical.
If we move into vaccine mandate territory, if Joe Biden says that anybody who wants to go into a federal building has to have proof of vaccination, then you get into crazy territory with Texas and Florida, South Dakota, or whatever, where we could potentially see states say, Now we actually want to secede, or we might get an original jurisdiction claim, which would be like what happened in the election with all the states going straight to the Supreme Court and challenging the federal government's authority.
libby emmons
That would be so—it's so interesting, because we haven't seen any actual clashes, right?
bill ottman
I mean, we— You know those videos are coming.
tim pool
What do you mean?
You mean clashes between, like, federal and state?
libby emmons
No, I mean between people, right?
We saw the people shouting at each other today.
bill ottman
Wasn't there a nurse who just got fired?
libby emmons
There have been a lot of these issues.
bill ottman
And then the security was trying to have her leave.
tim pool
There have been a lot of clashes.
There's a video right now of a guy harassing a woman at Target.
He's wearing a pin that says, I'm vaccinated.
And she's like, leave me alone.
He's like, no.
And he's following her around and security's stopping him.
There's one video of a guy stalking a woman and he goes, is anybody else mad that we have to wear a mask and she doesn't?
libby emmons
That's the thing too.
It's like once you've accepted the tyranny upon yourself and then you really need to enforce it on others just to make sure that you're not the fool.
lydia smith
Right.
libby emmons
And that's kind of a problem.
We have that going on.
I saw this post from this guy, theater company situation in San Francisco.
And this guy was complaining that he had gone to a theater performance and there were people who took their masks off
once the lights went down.
And he complained to literally everybody.
And he started saying, he wrote this whole post about it.
And it was, he was saying that these people not masking ruins the experience for everybody else.
And he complained to the theater company and the ushers and the patrons themselves and literally everyone.
And he took it online, not even realizing that he's the one who's ruining this.
He can't just live and let live.
If he wants to, you know, wear a mask or a tie or a belt, whatever, that's his issue.
tim pool
In that video you brought up where it's the black family and he's like, yo, this is segregation.
He yells out something like, is this the country you want to live in?
And someone yells, yes.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
People were like, yes, like they like the boot.
libby emmons
It's horrible.
It's just and it's it's terrifying to watch this happen and to watch civilians.
That's the thing that I find so horrifying about it is the way that the enforcement works.
So in New York City, this vaccine mandate thing, It's, there's no cops doing it.
There's, you know, maybe the random health inspector is going to show up and you're going to have situations where, you know, somebody accidentally gets let in and it's like the, you know, serving people without proper ID situation or whatever.
But that's what we're looking at.
So I've talked to a bunch of people about it and they say they don't know how to push back against it because it's just pushing back against somebody else who is being pushed by the same rules.
tim pool
I do not accept that.
libby emmons
I don't accept that at all.
Yeah, well, it's what people are looking at.
They don't know how to deal with it.
Like, do you show up at the Starbucks that's making you wear a mask with your gun?
Like, what do you do?
tim pool
No, you just don't wear a mask.
libby emmons
You don't wear a mask.
You don't show your vaccine card.
And the person says at the restaurant, OK, then you can't come in.
tim pool
And you do?
libby emmons
So what do you do?
You just walk away.
You just don't... So it leads also to people self-segregating themselves out of society.
tim pool
I think that when someone says, oh, but I'm being forced to do it too, it's like, no, you're not.
libby emmons
No, you're not.
tim pool
You're not being forced to do it.
You're just choosing to do it because you don't want to deal with... you don't want to be responsible.
libby emmons
Or you don't want to lose your job.
tim pool
I just don't think they'd lose their job either.
libby emmons
So the person at the restaurant says, show me your vaccine card and show me your ID and you say no.
And they say, I'm not going to let you in.
What do you do?
Do you just walk past them and sit down?
tim pool
You don't go there.
libby emmons
Or do you leave?
tim pool
Don't give money to businesses that are willing to enforce it.
libby emmons
I get it.
But how do you even know which ones are going to enforce it until you show up?
They're all going to say yes.
tim pool
So I called 25.
One of them said no.
One of them was like, I don't know.
No, I think that's fine.
Maybe they just didn't realize what was going on because they didn't pay attention.
That's possible.
Go there and, you know, here's what you do.
It's really, really simple.
You go to your bank, you take out as much money as you can in cash, then you put on a stovepipe hat or whatever and a tuxedo, and you walk up twirling a cane, and knocking the door, and you walk in, and you've got all the cash in your hand, and you're flipping it around, and when they're like, do you have a VEX card?
Oh no, I don't.
But look at all this money I was going to spend.
And then when they kick you out, go, I guess you don't want money.
I'm kidding.
Don't actually do that.
libby emmons
They don't, though.
They don't want your money.
tim pool
No, they do.
There was a bunch of restaurants that have been complaining.
There was a story where a journalist went around asking.
They said revenues are down 25%.
And they can't handle this.
It's destroying their businesses.
And I'm just like, if you still live in New York after literally everything you've seen, I'm going to put my feet back, grab a drink, and just laugh.
libby emmons
Yeah, well, as someone who lives in New York, like, it's sort of, you know... How about don't?
How about don't?
bill ottman
But... I mean, we have real world data now that psychologists are going to have an absolute field day with, because this is like what, you know, all of the classic studies on obedience were based around.
And now, There's just data everywhere and real-world information.
There's going to be crazy studies that happen based on all of these events.
tim pool
We live in a simulation.
libby emmons
There might be, but we destroyed our entire social sciences.
tim pool
No, no, no.
We live in a simulation and this is the purpose.
To see how many people would just be like, You hit me harder, Daddy!
bill ottman
To gather data for the simulators.
libby emmons
But we already saw that.
That was like the whole first half of the 20th century.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, I know.
libby emmons
We said, hit me harder, Daddy, until I bleed, please.
tim pool
But maybe the test is, with a history knowing this, what happens to a population with a history of negative consequences to authoritarianism?
What happens when you then reintroduce authoritarianism to a population that knows it?
And we can clearly see.
That's why I call it a cult.
You know, these are people who just believe whatever they hear on TV, even though it's like lies all the time.
They say like, I trust the science.
It's like, you didn't even read it.
They're like doing, they criticize people who do research like, all you did was read a few articles.
Did you do a double blind controlled study?
And it's like, no, and you didn't even read the article.
It's like, you've done less than I have.
So those people in mass are demanding vaccine mandates, cheering for it, and we got so much on this stuff.
I'm saying, this is why we started with the New Hampshire seceding from the union thing, because I'm like, yo, this is all just gonna fall apart.
You ready for this?
Here you go.
Libby, you live in New York City, right?
libby emmons
I do.
tim pool
De Blasio rolls out COVID booster shot plan utilizing all NYC vaccination sites.
We're ready!
So it's only a matter of time until you're the person at the restaurant with them saying, do you have proof of vaccination?
And you show them and they'll go, this only has two on it.
libby emmons
Right.
Yeah.
tim pool
And you're going to be like, but I'm vaccinated.
Yeah, but now we're doing boosters.
libby emmons
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
To be fair.
libby emmons
That's what's next.
tim pool
The current mandate is for at least one shot.
libby emmons
Right.
So it's going to be- Which is funny, isn't it?
New York, New Orleans, San Francisco, and LA.
The funny thing is- And then all of California, probably.
tim pool
They're saying it's a vaccine mandate, but you don't have to be fully vaccinated.
So my question there is, is one shot enough?
libby emmons
It's just because it's about compliance.
It's only about compliance.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You can, you can, a vaccine card is not a negative COVID test.
You can, you could actually have a vaccine card, have been vaccinated, contract COVID, and then go to this restaurant, show them your vaccine card and sit down?
unidentified
Like that's where we're at?
libby emmons
The other thing too is the thing with the antibodies, right?
So if you've had COVID and you have a natural immunity, that doesn't count.
Which is absurd, right?
That's just absurd.
bill ottman
And for big events.
I was just at a music festival in Greenwich and basically, you know, unvaccinated people were required to have a test and vaccinated were not required to have a test.
I mean, why wouldn't everybody be required to have a test?
Because everybody can spread it.
So, like, that is a core hypocrisy.
Everyone should have to get tested if everyone is still spreading it.
unidentified
Right.
bill ottman
How is that controversial?
tim pool
Did you see that story about the woman who was vaccinated but got COVID and died from it?
And in their obituary, they were like, she was vaccinated but was infected by someone who chose not to be.
And it's like, well, you don't know that.
Like breakthrough cases are rare, but they happen.
She got one.
Maybe she got it from somebody who also had a breakthrough case.
Just making that up.
But this is the craziest thing when they say stuff like, we must protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated.
And I'm like, I don't understand what that means.
So the response from many of these people on the left has been, we're saying that the unvaccinated are loading up hospital beds and congesting the hospitals.
And I was like, oh, so we should protect the fit from the fat?
So fat people should get the boot from the hospital for triage for only the healthy people?
libby emmons
Well, and of course, that was Mayor Michael Bloomberg's thing when he was the mayor of New York.
He had, he wanted a, I think he passed it.
There was like an extra tax on big gulps or something like that.
tim pool
I don't know if that passed.
ian crossland
It passed and then it got repealed a year later.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know it was there for a minute.
tim pool
He's the guy who famously said, tax the poor.
Unironically, literally said, poor people are too stupid to know what to buy.
So if we take their money from them and buy it for them, they'll be better off.
Yeah, I don't see how this country stays.
ian crossland
I'm having a bit of a problem when they're like, the vaccinated people can maybe contract it from the unvaccinated.
But it's also, from what I've learned, in the animal population.
So technically, someone could contract it from an animal, like a dog.
tim pool
I don't know about that.
We talked about it before.
And people have mentioned animal, what's it called, animal reservoir?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So that COVID can be transferred, and it can be in cats and stuff.
ian crossland
We know it can be in bats.
tim pool
But I think there was something, it was a study or whatever, or an article that said, when it does transfer to animals, it doesn't transfer back.
ian crossland
But they said people got it from a bat, right?
tim pool
If that's the case, then there you go.
And so that's the argument.
ian crossland
And there's Chinese studies that it's in ice cream.
tim pool
You keep bringing that up.
ian crossland
Because they did one article about it.
And where did it go?
It was in the food supply.
tim pool
People need to understand that Ian eats a lot of ice cream.
ian crossland
Not anymore!
bill ottman
Count me out.
Well, that's why the origin does matter in an uncensored public debate about everything related to this, because that's what science is.
Science is a public debate that has access to the full spectrum of information.
So for anyone who says that they defend science, but they're all about getting rid of misinformation, well, actually...
you're not really helping the scientific process to play out.
tim pool
Well, that's the meme. It's like, we believe in, you know, all of the scientists agree,
and then a scientist goes, actually, I have something to say, and they go, ban from social media.
All of the scientists agree.
So you got a bunch of doctors that have been talking about alternative therapies and stuff,
but they get banned from every platform.
So it's like when they say, a doc... This is what I love.
I keep telling people, like, go see a doctor you trust.
Don't just take it from celebrities or TV doctors.
And it was really funny when leftists started attacking me for that.
And I'm like, why are you mad at me?
And they're like, you're just scaring people.
It's safe.
They should go to the parking lot at the 7-Eleven and get their vaccine from the, you know, the pop-ups that they do.
And I was like, they should talk to their doctor first and then go to the pop-up.
And they're like, no!
And you know why?
Because some doctors might give you better, more personalized advice and oppose their political medical opinions.
libby emmons
Well, these are the same people who definitely don't want women to see ultrasounds before they go through with abortions.
They really don't want women to see that.
tim pool
Oh yeah, because I'm not allowed to hug the baby.
libby emmons
So they oppose those laws.
And then, you know, because if you see an ultrasound, I was pregnant one time, and you see the ultrasound and it's crazy.
You're like, oh my god, that's my baby.
unidentified
That's a life.
libby emmons
So Texas does that.
Texas requires that.
tim pool
They really complain about that stuff, like forcing you to see an ultrasound.
It's really bad.
libby emmons
It's like forcing you to see the life inside your body.
lydia smith
How strange.
libby emmons
How crazy.
tim pool
What are you going to do when the booster happens in New York?
libby emmons
Oh, I'm not.
I don't think I'm getting get a booster.
tim pool
Because there have been a bunch of studies saying you don't need it.
libby emmons
I don't have any interest in getting it.
tim pool
But then what do you do?
What happens when they're like, fully vaccinated now means booster shots every five months?
libby emmons
I don't know.
You know, I gotta say.
tim pool
You can leave.
libby emmons
I'm at like, I'm sort of at a total loss.
I keep I keep looking for other places to live.
You know what it is?
It's interesting.
I don't have anything tying me to New York.
I used to have a lot of things tying me to New York.
Like lots and lots of things.
And now I have like, there's no reason for me to be there.
There's also no reason for me to be anywhere else.
I basically have no reason to be anywhere at all.
tim pool
There is a reason to be somewhere else.
But there is a reason to be somewhere else.
libby emmons
There's a reason to be somewhere else.
But which other else?
unidentified
Which else?
tim pool
Well, hold on.
libby emmons
Which else should I be in?
tim pool
Montana.
lydia smith
That works.
libby emmons
Montana?
tim pool
You're closer to Canada and those post-millennial peeps, right?
They're in Vancouver, right?
libby emmons
No, they're in Quebec.
tim pool
Oh, really?
lydia smith
Up by North New Hampshire.
tim pool
They speak French?
libby emmons
Not really.
bill ottman
There's a big supervolcano in Montana.
tim pool
Oh, really?
Yeah, but Andy knows up in Portland.
Go to Bozeman.
That's a college town.
I'm sure it's very blue.
libby emmons
These are options.
I will put them on the map.
You should see my map.
It's ridiculous.
unidentified
I could go here.
libby emmons
I could go there.
I mean, the other thing, too, that I've only ever lived in the Northeast, right?
Like I've lived in I've never lived in Maine.
tim pool
Maine's great.
ian crossland
It's kind of nice.
I actually went up to Maine with Bill one time on vacation.
bill ottman
The water is freezing.
libby emmons
Well sure, yeah.
tim pool
And they have black flies.
Those big things that bite you.
libby emmons
They have green ones in New Jersey.
You know what they do?
When they bite you, it's not really quite a bite at first.
It's like these little scissors, these scissors jaws, and they slice away at your skin and then they bury their face inside and suck your blood out that way.
That's why the bite hurts so much.
tim pool
Oh yeah, I think I heard about that.
libby emmons
Because it's not like a little needle, it's like scissors.
bill ottman
Up in there, wow.
ian crossland
Those are like those black mosquitoes.
They look engineered.
Have you ever seen one of those up close?
They look like robots.
libby emmons
Or the ones with like the... I got bit by one in Brooklyn.
With like the patterns on them?
ian crossland
Oh, I haven't seen that.
libby emmons
The little stripey things?
Yeah, yeah, I think that's... They're terrible.
They're like leopard mosquitoes or something.
unidentified
What is it?
libby emmons
I don't know.
They're Dr. Seuss mosquitoes.
tim pool
If you go to Maine, right?
You're in the Northeast and you can get a big plot.
Hey, wait a minute.
bill ottman
New Hampshire!
unidentified
Hey!
libby emmons
New Hampshire!
Do you know I have a lot of family there?
tim pool
There you go!
Look at that!
So you got reason to leave New York and reason to be in New Hampshire.
libby emmons
Perhaps.
tim pool
And you can do whatever you want for the most part.
You can have chickens.
libby emmons
Chickens?
tim pool
We're big fans.
lydia smith
We're the biggest fans.
bill ottman
Has there been a secession in any country in recent years?
unidentified
What would I possibly do with a bunch of chickens?
bill ottman
Has there been any form of an actual secession in common, you know, memory?
libby emmons
In the U.S.?
bill ottman
Or, like, anywhere.
I mean, anywhere.
libby emmons
Part of Idaho is trying, or part of Oregon is trying to see to Idaho.
tim pool
When did the whole Sudanese thing happen with Sudan and South Sudan?
That was a while ago.
Yeah, so probably not in our lifetime, unless... Look, I'll be honest.
Superchats.
bill ottman
Yeah, superchats.
tim pool
I wouldn't know off the top of my head.
I'm sure a lot of people are gonna be like, oh yeah, look at these countries and look at that.
There's a bunch of different people across the United States trying to succeed.
You've got the state of Jefferson.
You've got a district in Colorado trying to join Wyoming.
libby emmons
The Czech Republic and Slovakia, they split up.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, that's right.
libby emmons
We had all kinds of Eastern Bloc stuff.
That was, what, 92, 93?
tim pool
The Soviet Union collapsed.
libby emmons
There you go.
We had all of those Baltic states.
tim pool
But it's not the same thing.
bill ottman
No.
tim pool
I guess it is.
I guess once they just break apart, the Union no longer exists.
libby emmons
Well, it's definitely different.
The United States is different.
It's different worldwide, right?
When the U.S.
The U.S.
is the beacon of freedom.
It's all of these things that we, American exceptionalists, say that it is.
And it's these things in part because we say it is.
And it's these things in part because of our history.
When the U.S., if the U.S.
crumbles, if the U.S.
loses freedom and liberty, then the world loses those things.
It's not just us.
It's the entire world.
tim pool
I just want people to realize something.
I want you to imagine something.
libby emmons
I mean, Australia is not a free place.
tim pool
Right.
We know that the people... You know, I love to cite the poll on economics, that Democrats think the economy is doing fairly well, but independent Republicans think it's doing fairly bad, which is objectively true, especially with the latest inflation numbers and all that stuff, and the forecasting down to the GDP and things like that, which Jack still says is still pretty good.
But anyway, I digress.
I want you to imagine these people who live in California who voted for Gavin Newsom.
They adamantly believe YOU are in a death cult.
And it's funny because you'll see it on Reddit, you'll see it on Twitter, they say, these people are in a death cult.
And you're like, it's really weird how, in this political faction, we can have liberals, moderates, centrists, conservatives, religious folk, all having discussions and debates on a variety of issues.
All disagreeing, but agreeing on liberty and principle, and then being told they're in a cult, and then you have the completely homogenous faction on the left believing they're not in the cult, but they just believe whatever they're told on TV.
My favorite is when you go to, like, r slash politics on Reddit, and there'll be a headline that's an outright lie, and if you actually click the article, you'll see it's not true, but all of the comments are like, we're so smart, and it's true.
So I want you to imagine those people.
Then I want you to imagine an actual conflict breaking out.
And they're telling themselves and their friends and their families the dangerous Trump death cultists are trying to take this country and we have to stop them.
The insurrection, all of that stuff, which they genuinely believe.
Yeah, they're gonna fight.
They're gonna fight believing that they're right.
And then people like us are gonna be sitting here being like, yo, a bunch of crazy people are trying to push crazy nonsensical things on everyone else.
The point I'm trying to make is, There is no remedying the divide.
It's impossible.
It's not possible.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, that's an extreme statement.
It might be possible.
I'm thinking about Hitler abusing the media to drive people crazy and radicalize people, and now the media has driven people crazy and is radicalizing people, but there's no Hitler.
There's no cult leader.
They don't need it anymore.
Somehow they didn't need a cult leader.
tim pool
Let me pull up the story, and then I'll go into detail.
This is from Reuters.
Pelosi predicts what's-his-name would fail in 2024 House run.
Well, that's the headline, but I think they bury the lead.
At the end of the article, we see this.
I say to my Republican friends, and I do have some, take back your party, Pelosi said.
You have now been hijacked by a cult that is just not good for our country.
Dude, there's no, there's no remedying this.
Nancy Pelosi is what, she's 80 years old.
ian crossland
She's older than that, isn't she?
unidentified
82.
tim pool
She is as crooked as they come.
Joe Biden got a prosecutor.
I won't say because, but he was investigating Burisma, a company his son was a board of directors on.
Joe Biden flew his son on Air Force Two to China to negotiate a private equity deal.
Joe Biden, when he was put in charge of Iraq, all of a sudden his brother gets these lucrative contracts for doing construction in Iraq.
The dude is as crooked as they come, we know it.
And Pelosi has the nerve to say that Everyone else is in the cult.
You cannot convince Pelosi voters who keep empowering that crooked, corrupt behavior that they are empowering crooked.
Look at this.
Gavin Newsom just won.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
They won't even recall a guy who says, you're not allowed to go outside, but I'm going to go to a restaurant without wearing a mask.
libby emmons
I think they just really like his hair.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I think we're, we're dealing with, with, with NPC lemming type, whatever the, look, you see Pendulet sitting there with, with Newsome giving a thumbs up.
These people have gone insane.
Pendulet was a, was a Cato libertarian.
libby emmons
Yeah.
He was a question authority guy.
tim pool
And now he's sitting there with the guy who's ruling by decree with a thumbs up, happy it's happening.
They've lost their minds.
libby emmons
Well, they're using crisis as a reason to abandon our traditions and our representative government.
And they're saying that because it's a crisis, we now get to abandon all the rules and do these executive and, you know, overarching things.
And what's being missed, of course, is that it's during a crisis.
It's when things are at their most dire that you have to hold fast to your principles and to your values.
And to your traditions of government, for sure.
What we need is a representative government.
And what we have is executives all over the country making their own determinations.
Even the governors where I agree with what they're doing, which I would say in a lot of cases I agree with DeSantis.
I agree with some of Abbott's stuff as well.
I don't agree with how it's being done.
I think it's being done in a completely garbage way.
It's being done in a way that undermines the very values of our nation.
And it's just not OK.
But you said also that these people are going to fight, right?
These, like, the Newsom-supporting Pelosi types, right?
They're not going to fight.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
libby emmons
I'm not saying... They're going to get the government to fight for them.
And then what's everybody else going to do?
tim pool
And who are the people who are in the police departments and in the army?
It's those people.
Because right now in the army, you have that lieutenant colonel who resigned and said, I will not abide by this tyranny.
I will not stand for the critical race theory.
All of these like rational thinking individuals are like I am out.
Who will be left holding the weapons?
So I'm not saying your average sitting at home filling out a mail-in ballot Gavin Newsom supporter is going to be in the streets yelling and you know flinging torches or something.
But a decent percentage of these people who go march in the streets with the doing the communist salute the red salute while they're protesting Those people will fight.
Antifa will act as partisan, engaging in violence to gain political power and territory.
The police who remain are gradually becoming more and more pro-establishment authoritarian.
The libertarian-minded people are quitting and resigning from the military and the police departments, so it's only a matter of time.
bill ottman
Well, there's also parallel economies and governments that are being formed right now in crypto and like the crypto economy that is forming in parallel is actually the funny part.
You know, you brought up anarcho communists and libertarians in the beginning, like in New Hampshire, they both support Bitcoin and crypto because it's a fair sort of, you know, Permissionless system that anyone can participate in.
So there are actually proposals for network states like Balaji, who's a really interesting crypto character, has proposed the idea of a network state.
And so we have all the typical geopolitical stuff happening, but we also have a crypto digital situation forming.
tim pool
This is the piece of the puzzle people need to understand.
When you bank, we were talking about this in the members segment last night, when you bank, there's no money.
It's a ledger.
That's how your banking works.
I talked to my bank after there was an error and it was a problem, and they basically said, we write down that you have this number, and then when you say you want to transfer it, we erase the number, and the other bank writes down you have the number.
Money never exchanged, right?
Cryptocurrency is an alternate decentralized ledger that allows funds to move around the world Outside of the US financial system.
If there was going to be any kind of conflict in the US, it would require support, means of communication and funding.
And with decentralized communications becoming more and more prominent, particularly when we see crypto.
The US government can... Let's say it gets to the point where people are fighting in the streets.
They are, but I mean like overt political factions with new flags.
New Hampshire secedes, the federal government's moving in.
And they say, we're going to cut off all their bank accounts.
We're going to seize their funds and seize their assets.
And they go, this is New Hampshire.
We use Bitcoin here.
You can't do anything to stop it.
This allows people to exchange value outside of the US government and it strips the US government of the ability
to do anything about it which means
Resistance can be funded. So if people whether it's Antifa claiming to be the resistance
They'll get funding through crypto a lot of these alt-right dudes
We're getting massive amounts of money through crypto. The government has no but Antifa to that's what I'm saying
bill ottman
Yeah.
And that's an important thing.
And I think it's important not to, you know, make it like government versus crypto, because that's really not what the situation is.
We just saw El Salvador.
You know, Bitcoin is legal tender in El Salvador now.
We want to encourage the U.S.
to adopt Bitcoin because that is in the interest of the U.S.
and it's going to make the U.S.
stronger.
tim pool
No, it isn't.
bill ottman
Yes, it is.
tim pool
No, it isn't.
bill ottman
Absolutely.
tim pool
The U.S.
has won export.
libby emmons
You know, we were talking about this before.
tim pool
Petrodollar.
bill ottman
OK, that's fine.
And that's going to be happening.
But, you know, they they can't stop the momentum.
unidentified
So, you know, so it is very, very bad for U.S.
tim pool
hegemony that we that we will lose the petrodollar.
bill ottman
That's fair.
But you want to be, you know, ready for the next evolution.
And if you're not, that's why, like a lot of investors will simultaneously fund the competitors to their own investments.
tim pool
Yeah, imagine their bet. Yeah. It's like when you go to the roulette table and you're like,
you've got first and, you know, the first, second and third quadrant. So you bet on two of them,
hoping that it's like a greater chance of winning, but you win slightly less.
ian crossland
That's basically what it is. Bill, tell me about this network state thing, because I've been
bill ottman
thinking about something. Well, I don't know too much about it. So we have DAOs, which are
decentralized autonomous organizations where people are essentially voting with crypto tokens
on various proposals around different projects.
And the projects are governed by the token holders of the project.
And it's all, you know, cryptographically secured and it's a public ledger.
And so you could, you know, when you talk about systems for voting, You know, why not move voting systems to cryptographic systems?
I mean, that's obvious.
So, and that's really what... There's still a lot of challenges there.
Oh yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Like, how do you get someone... How does someone register into the system to be able to vote using crypto?
bill ottman
Well, there would have to be some sort of connection between the decentralized identity like in the crypto wallet tied to like a driver's license.
So, you know, if a state was actually going to become like a network crypto state, then it would have to be sort of connecting its database of identities with the actual crypto addresses.
tim pool
How do you clean voter rolls?
bill ottman
What do you mean?
tim pool
People die.
libby emmons
Yeah, you have to get people off the rules at a certain point.
tim pool
Yeah, and then all of a sudden you've got IDs, like someone passes away, and then a week later someone's like, I got access to their crypto, and you know.
libby emmons
So there's definitely edge cases that have to get... Well, I do think there is some, you know, we should look at... Dead people are voting now anyway, but... Well, there was like, what was it, like a couple dozen people were found in one particular jurisdiction, but I don't want to make it seem like millions of... I'm saying... Well, there was an old joke in Philadelphia, which is notoriously shady politically, and there was a long-standing Republican on his deathbed, and his best friend is this Democratic operative, and the guy says, you know, well, at least as he's dying, at least I never voted Democrat.
And his friend says, don't worry, you will.
That's terrible.
Yeah, but I heard that joke like 25 years ago.
tim pool
I think there is some promise with crypto in terms of voting, but I do think we can't overlook the fact that, let's say New Hampshire does, because they want to put this thing on the ballot.
New Hampshire wants to see it.
And in 2022 people will be able to check off, yep, we want to secede.
Now apparently a bunch of establishment people are like, no, it's bad, we don't want to do this.
Let's say they do.
They don't got to worry about funding.
They don't got to worry about being cut off.
They don't got to worry about the federal government being like, we sacrifice blood and treasure for your admittance to the union and we will not let you leave.
They'll be like, what are you gonna do about it?
We get our funding through decentralized internet, you know, networks.
We fund each other and people in New Hampshire are armed to the teeth.
So, I mean, what would really happen in circumstance?
Would the Feds storm in, the National Guard, the Army, and try and shut the state down and usurp civilian authority?
ian crossland
They would fight for I-95.
I-95 runs through Vermont and it connects Maine and what's the one right south of there?
libby emmons
South of Maine?
ian crossland
Maine and Massachusetts.
tim pool
They would sanction and shut off supply lines?
ian crossland
They would block off their port land.
The federal government would try to take I-95 back and shut the damper off from the coast.
libby emmons
How would they take the coast?
You think?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
If someone tried to secede from the U.S., they'd bring up the entire military force to stop it.
libby emmons
OK, now I really want to see this.
tim pool
I'm not convinced.
ian crossland
What else can you do if someone tries to leave your union?
I mean, you have to as a governor.
tim pool
Look at Brexit.
libby emmons
Yeah, they didn't do it.
tim pool
They couldn't do anything about it.
libby emmons
That was Europe.
tim pool
But still, we're at a point where even Scotland, if Scotland really did vote for independence, what can they do?
Are we gonna see a whole nother campaign to go claim Scotland for the crown?
libby emmons
The only reason I think... I think they're working on that, right?
tim pool
So my point is, we are beyond the era of violence, to a certain extent.
What I mean is, people will not tolerate Conflict.
And so if New Hampshire says, here's our list of grievances, here's the problem, and then images start emerging of like New Hampshire residents being beaten and dragged, the rest of the country would be like, stop, stop, what are you doing?
This is bad.
We don't care about New Hampshire.
The federal government would freak out, but people in Idaho are going to be like, whoa.
I'll tell you this, if people in New Hampshire really did vote to secede, and it was like, boom, there it is, we have people mentioning in Super Chat that they have it in their constitution that they can, then if the federal government moves in, a bunch of other states are gonna file lawsuits, they're gonna make declarations.
Basically what happened in the original Civil War, the original, the first one in the United States.
libby emmons
The original, I like that.
tim pool
Several states seceded from the Union.
The Union Union soldiers were at Fort Sumter.
And when conflict started, I think it was seven more states that went, whoa, we're out.
We're done.
The moment you started attacking states.
ian crossland
Yeah, I see I-95 is Fort Sumter.
If they try and block the road from Massachusetts to Maine by taking it to a new country, then the government would try and take it back.
And that would be like a Fort Sumter moment.
libby emmons
There's another thing, too, which is southern New Hampshire is mostly just a bedroom community for Boston.
So a lot of people who live in that little southern New Hampshire area that borders on Massachusetts work in Boston or work in Massachusetts.
And I don't think they want to get cut off from their jobs.
I don't think they want to lose their jobs because they can't get across the border if there's some sort of issue.
tim pool
I wonder what that would be like.
Let me say, I'm not a historian to tell you about the Soviet Union or anything like that, but they lasted, I think, 69 years and then collapsed.
They broke apart.
The United States, we got like 250, a little bit more than that.
It's possible that we suffer a similar dissolution.
ian crossland
When I'm thinking of network states, I was visualizing like a way for us to vote across a network for things that aren't local.
Because localization has changed now.
You can have a conversation with anyone anywhere.
It doesn't matter.
And so that we would have a system of voting where I could vote alongside someone in North Dakota for something that goes on in Texas.
But then if the power goes out, we default back to this local system.
Or we could have both those systems in parallel.
Because the United States is changing and it will...
libby emmons
Are you thinking of something more along the lines of a completely direct democracy where everybody votes on everything?
tim pool
That'd be terrible.
ian crossland
No, not necessarily.
You could still have a representation if you wanted.
But more of an interconnected system of voting that isn't based on where you live.
It's based on what you do.
And so the people that do certain things could vote on that thing.
tim pool
You know what the problem is?
The system of government that we have is beyond brilliant.
I reflect on the U.S.
government, I'm just like, man, did these dudes work it out.
So, you look at, the reason we vote the way we do, we have districts, we've got counties, is that we want to protect, say there's a small town that's got a water reservoir, and the people all move there and they share and they bask in this water and they protect it.
And then a neighboring county says, we want it.
We want to vote to take it.
So we actually have a weighted vote system with the Electoral College to grant some protection, some defense.
The United States has the ability of minority rule.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding on what's for lunch.
A republic is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
So that's really, really important.
The problem is, We've become a completely nationalized information economy.
So where it used to be that your local news outlet had your city that you would learn about, and they still exist, for sure, now people are increasingly getting their news from national sources.
There was a joke, I think it was, I think it was 30 Rock actually, because I've been watching it, where they were like, and now back to national radio, that doesn't make sense for you because we're, it's hot out there, or maybe it's not.
Maybe it's cold.
Could be.
And so what happens then is people vote based on these overtly national issues.
So when you talk about, you've talked to Ian before.
Ian, you've talked before about direct democracy in a republic system, meaning I think what you mean is we still have the jurisdictions, we still have a defense for minority, you know, smaller, less populated areas to have their votes heard.
But instead of sending a representative, they just issue a county yes or no, as opposed to having a rep go do it.
ian crossland
A direct republic.
tim pool
The problem with that is, which is interesting, is that these people aren't paying attention to local issues anymore.
So when Nestle comes in and starts guzzling up all their water and destroying it, they don't know about it.
So then when there's a vote put up where it's like, should Nestle be allowed to take water from reservoirs?
They go, sure, why not?
And then it's like, oh wait, that's our water.
I didn't know that because we don't pay attention locally anymore.
So that's, regardless of whether they use your system or anything else, that is one of the key problems right now.
Like AOC would not have gotten elected or reelected were it not for the fact that she's got donors all over the country in small pockets funneling money into her district, which she's supposed to represent, but she represents the interests of a mass of Twitter socialists.
libby emmons
Yes, that's right.
I don't really see her representing much of the Bronx.
tim pool
No, I mean, menstruators?
libby emmons
I tell you this, go to... The birthing people of the Bronx.
tim pool
Right, she said birthing people, right?
Go into the Bronx, go up to a Latina mom and ask her, as a birthing person, how she feels about gang violence, and she'll be like, what?
ian crossland
She might laugh.
Depends on how you say it, but yeah.
tim pool
I think she'll say, what?
Okay?
And you'll be like, birthing person!
You know, AOC is a Congress birthing person.
No one talks like that, and she's not representing the people of her district.
The problem is, these people don't know or don't care, and they vote for it.
Like Nancy Pelosi said, people would vote for this glass of water if you put a D on it.
That's what she said about her district and AOC's.
You put a D on a glass of water and people will elect it.
ian crossland
The uninformed voting.
How do you solve that?
Now, that's another conversation.
libby emmons
Well, the the thing about the uninformed voting is we've completely crippled, crippled our educational system.
So it's not like people are learning anything in schools at this point.
We have uninformed voters, I think, by design.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Schools are just corruption factories.
libby emmons
I think that's part of it.
tim pool
Let me let me tell you where we're at, my friends.
We got the story I want to pull up.
Quote, we need to stiffen our spines and lean in to keeping people safe and healthy.
Governor Newsom says his recall success proves Democrats need to get tougher with COVID restrictions so there can be peace.
libby emmons
They're gonna give us these restrictions forever.
tim pool
The attempt on my governorship has left me scarred and deformed.
was a since the recall failed Gavin Newsom stood up before the state legislature in California and
unidentified
says the attempt on my governorship has left me scarred and deformed and I will reform California
tim pool
into the first you know state state state empire. It's just not the government's responsibility to
libby emmons
That's not their job.
That's not what they've been tasked to do by the voters.
That's not what they were tasked to do by the Founding Fathers, who all managed to find themselves in the same place at the exact right time.
tim pool
But here's the issue.
They tried to recall Newsom, and a bunch of conservatives said he's going to now punish the people of California with harsher lockdowns, and he's doing it.
libby emmons
And he's going to.
I mean, right after the election, that's when LA put in place their Vax Pass rules.
They waited till right after the election.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, I really do think that, like, Newsom was sitting in his office like this, you know, looking at the TV, and then when CNN was like, we call—you know, Wolf Blitzer comes on, it looks like a landslide victory for Newsom, he went, mwahahaha!
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
Mwahahaha!
Mwahaha!
tim pool
That's how I imagine the guy.
libby emmons
That's a really good evil villain laugh.
tim pool
I was just trying to imitate Dr. Evil.
Yeah, that's what he did.
And then everyone around him is like, haha!
And they're laughing.
That's how I imagine it.
Because now he's like, you know, just imagine Gavin Newsom looking over, who's the Lieutenant Governor?
And he's like, can we put more lockdowns on Los Angeles?
Let's punish the people there.
Let's make them really hurt.
That would be fun.
libby emmons
I think that's what de Blasio is doing.
I think he's intentionally punishing New York City.
bill ottman
Did they ever get the sand out of the skate park?
tim pool
They did.
Yeah, that was cool.
I'm surprised skateboarders didn't show up with leaf blowers and start blowing it out.
But they did go there and sweep.
bill ottman
I feel like vacuum would be more effective.
tim pool
But isn't it, how crazy is it that people still want to live in these places?
I guess the issue is, a dumb population is an easily controlled population.
libby emmons
Yeah, I don't know why anyone would willingly move to New York at this point, or California, or really any of these places.
tim pool
Or Illinois.
I was talking to a family member, my family's in Chicago, and they said it's miserable, it's awful, it's worse than it's ever been.
libby emmons
Is it the crime?
tim pool
No, no, it's the lockdowns.
libby emmons
There's lockdowns in Chicago?
tim pool
Yeah, so I don't know exactly what's going on, but I have family in the suburbs and they're like, everyone's like, you can't go anywhere without a mask.
They've got mandates popping up all over the place.
The schools are freaking out.
It's like authoritarian nightmare.
libby emmons
In Brooklyn, it's back to everybody walking around with masks on outside, like fools.
And I'm just walking around like a normal person without my mask on.
Because why?
Because I was, I've done the vaccination.
I've done the thing that they said.
And it's just, it's never enough.
It's never going to be enough.
Let's talk about Two Americas.
tim pool
There's two Americas right now.
In New York, people walk around outside wearing masks.
In West Virginia, people walk around outside wearing their AR-15s.
Which one would you want to live in?
No, I mean this seriously, though.
Obviously, not everybody in West Virginia is walking around with, like, a rifle, and they're, like, looking around.
But there are people who do... We went to... We were driving through Virginia.
And Virginia's not a good example, but we're on our way to central West Virginia, and there's people at restaurants, and they're strapped.
They got their guns and stuff.
And so you think about the two different Americas.
The people in New York would probably scream and freak out.
libby emmons
Oh, they would freak out.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
They would freak out.
tim pool
Like, there's that photo of a guy who's got a bazooka.
libby emmons
You're not allowed to, like, carry guns in New York.
You're not allowed to have concealed.
You're not allowed to carry openly.
tim pool
Well, unless you're an agent of the state, which they like.
libby emmons
Yeah.
The cops are allowed to.
tim pool
When I'm in, you know, people have asked me, like, if I was in West Virginia and I saw a guy walking around with, like, a bunch of guns and, like, an AR-15 and, like, a shotgun, would you, like, run?
What would you do?
And I'd be like, I probably wouldn't think anything at all.
I wouldn't.
I'm like, that guy's got guns.
Now, if he had, like, carrying a ton of guns, I would especially not worry.
You know why?
He's not going to be able to move around.
So like you see someone with a gun, I'm like, I see people driving cars all the time.
I never expect a car to veer off the road and slam into me.
I don't expect a person to pull out a gun and shoot at me.
libby emmons
I always expect the car to veer off the road and get me.
tim pool
No, that's New York, I guess, right?
libby emmons
No, I mean, even just driving.
I've only had my license for literally a year.
But yeah, when I drive around, I think like, it would be so easy to kill me right now.
ian crossland
Isn't that crazy?
tim pool
People can just go.
ian crossland
When I was a kid, I'd be like, what if everyone in the world wanted to all of a sudden just wanted to kill me?
How long could I survive?
Five seconds, like five seconds.
libby emmons
No, we're so vulnerable.
We're incredibly vulnerable creatures.
tim pool
That's why we need exosuits, like Gundams.
And that's what we should do.
All of the profits from TimCastMedia will be funneled into an R&D project for building the first mobile suit Gundam.
And then when the Antifa shows up to my house, I'll be like, haha, fly off into space.
libby emmons
What it really means is that we have to accept risk as a component of existence.
We need to be relatively fearless in the face of that.
We need to know that we're going to die, that we can't just be protected all of the time.
We need to accept that, we need to revel in it, and we need to step out our front doors willingly and accept all of that.
You know, accept that we're not safe.
And that it's fine.
It's fine to not be safe.
It's good to take risks.
If we don't take risks, then we have no reward.
tim pool
But this is, the issue is that, of course we know that, of course the people watching know this, but the cult doesn't care.
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
Like, they want to win.
They want to crush you.
It's fun.
libby emmons
But look at what, look at what they want.
They want to go to school for, they want to have secondary and whatever education for free.
If they've paid for it, they want it too.
They want that money back or they want to not have to pay for it. They want rent to be fully covered
They want the government to pay out uh money
Endlessly if you don't have a job or if you just don't want to get a job or whatever
They want to require businesses to pay certain wages um, you know higher than the current minimum wage they want
to do all of these things in order to Control society in order to regulate how everybody is to
live their lives And there's no room to I mean where are the artists going
to come from where are the entrepreneurs going to come from?
Where are the explorers going to come from the left has completely forgotten that in our hearts. We are a race of
tim pool
explorers The left is a picasso painting
And the right is like an ikea instruction If what you're saying is we have no conservative culture, you are correct.
What I mean is, the right is like very straightforward and here's what we believe, here's why we believe it, here's what we want, here's what we're gonna do, and then they kind of just like, it's not used.
It's tossed to the side and then someone tries jamming the thing together without actually... And crappy materials.
And yes, and the left is a Picasso painting where you're like, I think that's a person?
Your policies are a mishmash that come together and it's not a readable document.
So I love the easiest example to understand why a lot of leftist policies make no sense.
We'll use the Green New Deal.
When they started talking about a Green New Deal, I was like, ooh.
Oh, I like how this sounds.
What are you saying?
Like, we'll allocate government funding from, like, war R&D into, like, renewable energies?
Maybe.
Oh, what if they start doing infrastructure projects to reduce our dependence on foreign energy and things like that and create maybe fusion ignition?
A Green New Deal sounds pretty good.
A major jobs project that works us towards energy independence.
That'll make us more, that'll improve the economy.
And then AOC comes out and goes, Free college and free healthcare, and if you're not white, we'll give it to you first.
unidentified
And I'm like, that's not a Green New Deal at all.
bill ottman
Has anyone proposed a Green New Deal like you just said?
tim pool
No.
unidentified
Why?
Okay, well, to be fair, probably.
tim pool
But AOC's Green New Deal was like, and you'll get free college and people who aren't white will get reparations or something like that.
I don't think she actually said reparations, but it was like, identitarian, free college.
Then you had on her website saying like, we need to stop air travel and farting cows.
And I'm not exaggerating, literally said farting cows.
And I'm like, dude, I made a video where I was like, a Green New Deal sounds great because we've been nation building in other countries for so long.
We talked about it here.
We were like, what if we did nation building in our own country?
libby emmons
That would be actually kind of cool.
tim pool
A Green New Deal, right?
Instead, what we get from the progressives is this mishmash of social justice trash that has nothing to do with the environment.
bill ottman
But we also don't... Go ahead.
libby emmons
No, go ahead.
bill ottman
We don't get enough from... Like we said, there hasn't been a counter-proposal that is obvious enough.
tim pool
The Republicans are trash.
bill ottman
Exactly.
tim pool
The Republicans are like... The Democrats go, we would like to infringe upon your right to keep and bear arms.
And the Republicans just are like...
unidentified
No, don't.
tim pool
And then one by one, more and more laws come in.
And then you'll get these Republicans who are like, I don't think it's a good bill.
And we shouldn't we shouldn't pass a law restricting infringing the rights to keep and bear arms.
And then their aid will lean over and go, the New York Times just called you Are you a Nazi?
I always wanted to ban guns.
I was the first one who wanted to do it.
And so, step by step, our rights are being eroded, particularly the Second Amendment.
And Republicans don't come out and say, I would like to repeal the NFA.
Like, where is the Republican?
Literally, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert.
Lauren Boebert, can you please propose repealing the NFA?
Why won't even Lauren Boebert do that?
She's like the pro-est gun Republican.
Maybe she has, maybe I'm wrong.
But I certainly think they should come out and be like, NFA, gone.
libby emmons
I think a lot of this comes down to there not being any conservative culture.
I mean, these values that you're talking about, you know, and I think freedom of speech is actually well under attack as well, but it's being attacked more from the corporate side, fully backed by the federal government.
But we don't have a conservative culture movement that shows these values, that gives voice to these concerns in a way that shows up every day on people's, you know, TikTok streams or TV shows or movies or in books or anywhere, you know?
We just don't see it.
I was listening to Jack Posobiec has a new podcast and he was talking about his children's book.
Which is like an anti-communist book for kids.
We're at the point where we need anti-communist books for kids.
tim pool
That's right!
libby emmons
What is this, you know?
And I think a lot of this has to do with the failure of the conservative movement to provide entertainment options or anything that people want to consume.
bill ottman
I think people are correct.
I mean, I'm personally allergic to identifying left or right in the first place.
I just I can't make myself do it.
So and I think that that's quite common with the youth.
So you know, I agree with what you're saying.
But at the same time, I feel like the labels are just dead.
tim pool
Well, no, no, no, let's be real.
libby emmons
I mean, All the forms are known.
tim pool
Left and right are... They used to mean... They sort of meant something.
ian crossland
It was the French.
The French was from French Parliament.
People sat on the left and the people sat on the right.
tim pool
It's completely meaningless today.
libby emmons
It's neat.
ian crossland
From the revolutionaries.
tim pool
Yeah, the right were reactionaries opposing.
They didn't want to have a revolution.
It's tribal signifiers at this point.
If you are in favor of the democratic establishment, you are typically the left.
If you are in opposition to the establishment politics, which includes neocons, republicans, never-Trumpers, then you are on the right.
Whether you believe in right-wing politics or not, it's meaningless.
So basically, I can be like, I'm pro-choice.
I would like universal healthcare.
And they're like, Tim's right wing.
And I'm like, tell me which politician I would vote for in the Republican Party, if that's the case.
Because I was like, Chelsea Gabbard and Andrew Yang seem alright.
And then, you know, I have my criticisms of them as well.
I would vote for Rand Paul, because he seems to be like the only principled—well, I'm sorry, that's not fair.
Thomas Massey's pretty awesome, too.
But there's, like, very few actually principled people in government at all.
And then even when I do look at people like Ted Cruz or Hawley, I'm like, I just don't agree outside of the Liberty stuff.
So, politically homeless, I guess?
But it doesn't matter.
If you believe in freedom, that's the right.
bill ottman
Because you'll see these people— Yeah, freedom is political.
tim pool
Absolutely.
bill ottman
What was the New York Times headline?
tim pool
I don't know which one.
bill ottman
They were saying, like, the right-wing freedom chanting.
Remember?
tim pool
Freedom chanting?
bill ottman
In Cuba, they were chanting anti-government.
libby emmons
And then the White House was like, they just want more vaccines.
That's what they're looking for.
tim pool
Where is anybody on the actual left to say mandating vaccines is wrong?
There have been some Black Lives Matter protesters saying vaccine mandates are wrong.
Legit.
libby emmons
Weren't there some outside the CDC in Atlanta today, backing Nicki Minaj?
tim pool
I don't know if they were Black Lives Matter, though.
libby emmons
Oh, were they not?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know, but it was a bunch of young black people who were protesting, saying Nicki Minaj was correct, Fauci's lying.
So what ends up happening is, you do have your overarching conservative ink, And then you have establishment left, which includes the faux-progressives, these big YouTube channels and streamers who claim to be on the left, but then, like, buy themselves extravagant houses, or try to union-bust in their own companies.
So, left and right.
ian crossland
You know, when someone says something, something, because I'm on the right, Jack said it a couple times last night, I didn't say anything about it, but when they do that, I'm, here's my label, they've lost, they've fallen in the swamp and they've sunk and they've died.
You cannot label yourself and get through this.
unidentified
This is not a political... Alright, cult or not cult.
tim pool
We'll do that.
libby emmons
Cult or not cult.
ian crossland
And then you've got to define the cult too.
tim pool
Yeah, so like, do you challenge narratives?
Who was it?
Was it Mark Twain?
That if you find yourself in the majority, you should... Marcus Aurelius.
Marcus Aurelius said that!
lydia smith
That's an old one.
ian crossland
You should question what you're thinking if you find yourself in line with the majority.
tim pool
Yeah, there are some things that I'm like, I believe this and I will stand by it.
And that means I'm willing to criticize high-profile individuals who might, you know, be friends of mine or might have, you know, certain access that I would benefit from.
But I'm not going to... Jim Brewer, best example.
When he cancelled his shows over the vaccine mandate, he was like, I'm not going to be beholden to this system of money, you know, to do something I don't believe in.
And I'm like, right on, Jim Brewer.
unidentified
Yeah, I respect that.
tim pool
Rad dude.
Rad, rad dude.
bill ottman
Well this is why language matters so much and like you know Huxley and Orwell were obsessed with it and it's just like we have to be specific in the language because obviously conservatism is a great principle.
Liberty, liberalism should be a great principle.
I know they don't mean anything but I'm just saying using them is so limiting and the language is being hijacked.
That's what's happening.
So we have to be specific in the language that we're using.
libby emmons
Well, yeah, I mean, it's interesting, too, that even in our cultural conversations, we are adhering to a two party system.
tim pool
Well, I mean, we I think the Mises Caucus guys are legit.
And we've had Dave Smith here many, many times because they're they're like the best we've got at this point.
And like they're pro-life.
I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but I agree with him on enough.
At least we can identify a lot of the problems.
And I'm like, if the Republicans won't even identify the problems, and the establishment Democrats are reveling in the problems, I'll take the Mises Caucus guys who are at least pointing to it.
That's bad.
Here's our plan.
I'm like, I don't know if your plan is going to work, but at least you're going to put the... It's like the Republicans and the Democrats are ignoring the fire, or the Democrats are lighting the fire, and the Libertarians are like, we got a plan to put it out.
And I'm like, I don't care what your plan is.
unidentified
Do it, dude.
libby emmons
That's why we need to do things outside of politics.
Politics should really not be the top thing that we're dealing with.
tim pool
I think politics is irrelevant.
We should be building technology.
libby emmons
We should be making art.
Why are we not out there making more art?
tim pool
Yes, exactly.
libby emmons
I miss making art.
I used to do that all the time.
ian crossland
You're doing it right now.
tim pool
You were just saying this about conservatives, though.
Actually, you both kind of made a similar point.
You said, where's the conservative rebuttal or offer?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And art also doesn't need to be about any of those things.
said conservatives aren't building.
They're not making art and culture to inspire or whatever.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
That's it.
Like the left has.
I'll tell you.
libby emmons
And art also doesn't need to be about any of those things.
I mean your values come through in the art that you create because you are a
principled individual who believes in things and expresses with your heart.
tim pool
That's a lot of what we're trying to do with the new shows we're launching.
It's not to make political content to convince anybody of any ideas, but it's to tell stories that will inspire and our values are conveyed throughout.
ian crossland
I want to help teach people how to cook.
I actually want to learn how to cook while I'm at it.
libby emmons
Wait, you're really doing a cooking show?
ian crossland
Binging with Ian.
Yeah, a couple days ago.
Another one went up yesterday.
I said, you want to avoid the sodium chloride and use salt.
I meant sodium benzoate.
unidentified
Sodium chloride is salt.
ian crossland
Thank you, YouTube.
tim pool
So check it out.
libby emmons
I love to cook.
tim pool
Me too.
ian crossland
Join my cooking show.
tim pool
I do think that there's a possibility of a polar shift in culture that prevents a total collapse.
I still think it's most likely there is a collapse, but what I'm getting at is, when it comes to the creation of culture, the establishment is failing miserably, and it's getting worse and worse.
Since Gamergate and Comicsgate and all this stuff, it has continually just been rather bad in a lot of ways.
Now some stuff's shined through and been okay, A lot of stuff has been bad.
Like the new The Craft remake, which was actually like a sequel.
And it made literally no sense and it was just jamming in a bunch of woke plot points that I'm very confused by.
And I'm like, I don't understand.
Like they cast a spell to turn a guy gay.
libby emmons
A lot of that stuff is just unwatchable.
tim pool
It's like watching those Christian productions.
We said this before.
lydia smith
Pure Flix.
tim pool
Yeah, Pure Flix.
I don't know how to rag on Pure Flix.
I haven't seen it.
But it's like those low-grade, poorly-produced, conservative-bro, right Christian content that we used to make fun of.
I think even Seamus mentioned Bible Man and stuff.
And it's not inspiring.
Kids want to watch X-Men.
And now, you know what I love about X-Men is the allusions to civil rights, right?
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
But now the left is latching onto that and making X-Men, they're trying to make it, like, woke.
The comics have definitely gotten woke.
libby emmons
Yeah, they're doing, like, all Marvel-wokey stuff on Disney.
tim pool
And its sales are going down.
libby emmons
All I really want is Star Trek.
tim pool
Yeah, wasn't Discovery woke?
libby emmons
I didn't watch it.
No, I just watched DS9 again instead.
tim pool
Because something was special about that era in Star Trek.
libby emmons
Yes, it was like what, 93 that launched?
tim pool
Uh, 89.
The Next Generation, I think.
libby emmons
Next Generation was like 88.
Yeah.
And then DS9 was like, I think, 93.
tim pool
Yeah, I think so.
And then it went into, like, the late 90s, and then they did Enterprise, and it was just... Enterprise was garbage.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I had so much promise, too.
The Great Story of Scott Bakula, one of my favorites.
tim pool
I didn't want a sequel!
We just hit the Dominion War!
Come on!
And now we get these weird hokey pseudo sequels.
I'll tell you, Picard was pretty good.
I like Picard.
And you can do the social justice stuff right.
But the problem is they're not doing it right.
libby emmons
Look at the social justice stuff that they did on DS9 when Benjamin Sisko went back in time and was a...
tim pool
Nerding out.
libby emmons
Yeah. Anyway, but they happened.
They did. They went back in time as San Francisco and he was a sci
fi writer.
And so he wrote a he wrote a story about a black
space captain in the future.
And the publishers of the magazine said, no, we can't
run this with a black space captain.
And they ended up deciding to run it.
But it was a dream that it was a black space captain, which, you know, there were so many layers in there.
And that character in the timeline ended up in a mental institution, scribbling his stories on the wall.
I mean, it actually it was transcendent.
It like transcended It was just perfect.
tim pool
Deep Space Nine was fantastic.
libby emmons
Avery Brooks was killer.
tim pool
We got recommended the episode, I think it's called In the Pale Moonlight, and it's where Sisko stages... I'm forgetting.
But basically he stages a conflict to force the Romulans to enter the war on the side of the Federation.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's like conspiracy, evil stuff.
That show was fantastic.
libby emmons
It was fantastic.
And he was such a complicated captain.
tim pool
I look back at... I thought about this.
I'm like, Picard was good.
And let me just stress too, if you're not a Trekkie, don't worry.
I want to keep this at the surface level.
The new show that came out, Picard, we're doing a season.
I'm like, it's a good show.
But it was not profound.
It was not profound, not thought-provoking, it didn't inspire me to do anything.
It was like, it's really fun to see Riker and Picard hanging out.
But when you watch the original Star Trek, like, well, that, but mostly I think that I like the next generation better.
When you watch the next generation, it deals with the philosophical consequences of technological advancement and other societies advancement.
Stargate does that really, really well as well.
libby emmons
You told me to watch that.
I still have to watch that.
tim pool
It's not the same, but it's similar.
And it's like we had these shows in the 90s that were like, here's a civilization that dealt with that, you know, instead of Inventing electricity.
They discovered, you know, plasma or something.
And then it's like, how did how did they develop?
What are their ideas?
There's that really, really, really great moment where Data asks Picard about terrorism.
And he says, something troubles me about, you know, these people and their conduct.
And it's You know, we say terrorism is bad, yet it seems their strategies are effective.
And often throughout history, we have seen these actions actually bring about political change.
And Picard is like, humans have been struggling with these questions for generations, and I do not subscribe to the belief that political power is derived from the barrel of a gun.
And I'm like, that was like, who are these writers who are just like thought-provoking philosophers?
You know what else I was thinking of?
When you hear about quotes from famous people like Ben Franklin, it's because only so many of his words could actually be translated through history.
Could actually be handed down.
Because he would write books and he would write things, but of all of the words the man said, probably .001% of his ideas have made it throughout history.
today you have these writers of these shows building culture and giving these profound ideas on like the make of a man when when when data is on when there's trial determined whether he's a sentient independent life form that's a great the people who wrote that are brilliant philosophers and we're not going to take their names and put the quotes down we're going to put Picard Data.
ian crossland
You know, I think about the value that TV and radio has given us as a species.
And it's so great because it's our ability to transmit information.
And like you said, to pass the knowledge down.
It's also created this danger where you see Hitler using the mass media to brainwash the people and like how the media today is kind of brainwashing.
So but I think that the value outweighs the danger so greatly.
So I imagine that that's a very, very good sign for our species.
bill ottman
Do you think it's a coincidence that the best memes came out of that time of Star Trek?
tim pool
Like all the memes that came up on the internet are like from TNG?
bill ottman
Yeah, from that period.
tim pool
It's not surprising.
bill ottman
Yeah.
unidentified
You know what?
libby emmons
You mentioned the 90s, and I think the 90s, to a certain extent, were our reward for a difficult century.
There was so much prosperity.
I remember there just being... I was a kid, basically.
I mean, I was like in my...
late teens and in my 20s.
And there was just money everywhere.
I remember this.
I was hanging out with a bunch of visual artists.
Everyone was getting paid to do something ridiculous and instead was blowing it all.
It was the dinner and strippers and stuff.
We had a great time.
But yeah, that was like the reward.
It was a cultural reward.
There was art everywhere.
There was amazing music came out of that era.
We had an awful lot of equality.
We had an awful lot of Equality between the sexes.
Women could do whatever they wanted.
bill ottman
The internet emerged and then the dot-com just went too far.
libby emmons
Well, I think a lot of it too was, um, you know, September 11th, we had like a massive terrorist attack shortly thereafter.
And that kind of, that made everything crazy.
tim pool
It was the cold war dividend, cold war ended.
And all of a sudden we were like, what do we do with all this money and all these resources and all these plans and all these troops.
libby emmons
We made a lot of art in the 90s.
There was really good visual art came out of that period.
tim pool
But then China started to emerge as a greater power and then you had a bunch of problems here in the U.S.
like the repeal of Glass-Steagall and then the economic crisis and now China's getting more and more power and now perhaps one of the biggest issues is that we as a nation have no ability to stop China from taking over as the global superpower and global economic power China?
Oh, go ahead.
It's just like the U.S.
at this point is has become too feeble to fight back as a nation.
ian crossland
Yeah. But not as people.
libby emmons
We do.
ian crossland
I think with crypto and local governance, we can do it.
tim pool
No, no. Yeah, that's great.
We'll have small pockets of independent, freedom loving people
who are tending to their chickens, which is fine.
But China will be dominating the culture.
I saw that too.
planet like the US did for so long, then they'll start putting out their ideas of why freedom
is bad.
And it's already happening.
We're already starting to adopt more of the Chinese communist style governance and political
ian crossland
control.
I just saw a story that the Chinese are going to start doing social credit on corporations
libby emmons
now.
Yes, that's correct.
tim pool
I saw that too.
libby emmons
And they're also regulating content a lot more now, too.
That's a whole big thing.
ian crossland
They banned kids from playing video games for an hour a night or so.
libby emmons
Three hours a week.
bill ottman
But even though they banned Bitcoin mining in China, it's not going to stop the people of China from rapidly adopting it.
I mean, you can't just assume that there's, you know, monoculture in terms of the thought process of the citizens of China.
Crypto is still going to dominate.
libby emmons
That makes sense that, you know, the people are not homogenous in terms of their perspective, but they are showing themselves to be relatively squashable.
Hong Kong is not Hong Kong anymore.
You know, there's a genocide going on.
And Pelosi, I think from that same interview that you pulled up earlier, she was saying that, yes, China is committing genocide against the Uyghurs, but it's more important that we team up with them about climate change.
We're idiots for letting this kind of thing happen.
China also though had a long period of time while the West was engaging in the age of exploration and all of that where they were basically just isolationists.
The U.S.
I think should have a lot more ability to control its own destiny in terms of One thing Trump did was he tried to get more pharmaceutical production in the U.S., localized in the U.S., which I think obviously we should be doing.
Why are we, you know, for decades we let so many Asian countries basically be the factories of the U.S.
and the factories of U.S.
corporations and U.S.
commerce.
And there's no reason to keep doing that.
tim pool
We got gutted.
libby emmons
I mean, except that Americans probably don't want to work any of these jobs, what with the free money being flooded out by the government.
tim pool
It's going to be a cold splash of water in the face when Americans who do these fake jobs... I tell that story when I first went to Vice and saw how much people were getting paid and what they did for a living.
I was like, wow.
If working class people in this country could see inside New York media, there would be a revolution overnight.
Could you imagine working $15 an hour doing labor only to discover that someone's getting paid $50 an hour to like scour the internet for pictures of a celebrity and then they don't show up half the time?
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
They don't show up half the time.
tim pool
And they don't got to go to work.
I'm not kidding.
The vice office would be like empty half the time.
And I'd be like, Oh, where is, you know, so-and-so in the back at home?
They'll just, they'll write something, I guess.
ian crossland
I can only imagine the conversations they have with the board directors of CNN when they're behind the scenes at MSNBC.
If we had access to that and we got to listen in on that, yeah, I think there would be a revolution overnight.
tim pool
The issue I'm bringing up is that there are people who work hard every single day, and they come home with calloused hands, sweat pouring, you know, drenched in sweat, and they sit down and their back hurts, and they go to the doctor, and the doctor's like, Jim, you got a slipped disc.
And he's like, getting paid, you know, 40 grand a year doing this stuff, and it's like, his body is in pain.
Then there are guys who it's like, they finally got that promotion, they're working really, really hard, and they're older.
And then there's a 20 year old getting paid double their salary in New York to complain about you for voting for Donald Trump.
And they say, you're a moron.
You're a dumbass.
You're so stupid.
And that guy's breaking his back to build the infrastructure in this company.
Every one of these construction guys who was out there fixing the roads.
libby emmons
And to drive the trucks.
And to like bring you your stuff.
tim pool
And then they say you're a maggot and a plague rat and they get double the money you make.
libby emmons
I find it still so shocking because it was it's what like the country's basically half and half at this point was like what 74 million people voted for Trump.
The other half kind of voted for the other guy.
Yeah.
tim pool
Voted against Trump.
libby emmons
Voted against Trump.
That's basically what they did.
But then also the thing with the I think there's been a number of polls coming out recently showing that it's like 51 percent of Americans are in favor of vaccine mandates and 49 percent are not.
I know that that's one poll I saw.
So it's definitely like half and half, and one half of the country is telling the other half of the country that they're garbage, and that half of the country is the one doing all of the work.
tim pool
So I want to talk to you about cancel culture and how it affects media companies, notably, That one of the sponsors for the Postmillennial, where you are the editor-in-chief, Surfshark, which is a VPN, I believe, right?
They got a... Some Antifa guy tweeted at them that Andy No was all these stupid things they lie about.
And Surfshark immediately was like, oh no!
Shocked emoji.
We're so sorry.
We'll immediately terminate our relationship with them.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
So I called them out immediately.
I'm like, dude.
libby emmons
And it was all lies against Andy.
None of it was true.
tim pool
But here's the point I made.
This is really, really important.
Surfshark responded to me.
They said, hi, Timcast.
We're not supporting or dismissing anyone.
Our core goal is protecting people's digital privacy and security, and we just don't want to be involved in someone else's conflicts or ideological disagreements, which is a lie.
Surfshark, you're liars.
You're bad people.
Because when Antifa tweets at you, and then you say, you got it, buddy.
We'll sever ties with the business over your ideology, You're doing exactly that.
And now that you're getting backlash for it, you have the nerve to come out and be like, we're not doing it, we just don't want to be involved.
No.
Surfshark violated the privacy of the post-millennial and Andy Ngo by publicly tweeting they would terminate a business arrangement over accusations made online.
If they're willing to sacrifice or violate the privacy, look, if they wanted to sever, they could have privately called up and said, guys, we're not fans of this conflict, so we're not going to publicly call you out on anything, but we don't want to work with you anymore.
That would be private.
Instead, they publicly said, yeah, look at those guys.
They're bad guys.
We're not going to work with them.
So, that's me calling them out, but I'm curious because I still saw ads on the Postmillennial, and I was wondering if you had some more insight into this spineless company selling out their values out of fear from Antifa.
libby emmons
Yeah, it was actually pretty interesting and shocking.
So it was basically, you know, one tweet at this company saying that Andy is a violent person, which I don't know if you guys have ever met Andy, but he's like the furthest from a violent person that I've almost ever met.
And then they said that they weren't doing that.
They terminated our relationship with them.
tim pool
But they said that or they actually did?
libby emmons
They're not working with us anymore.
tim pool
Because I still saw like a week later there were still ads for it.
libby emmons
Yeah, it was lag.
tim pool
Oh.
So this company...
Oh, and he deleted his tweets, by the way.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
He tweeted lies.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Then they went, no problem.
libby emmons
He took it down.
But then also, oh, yeah.
Yeah, the ads came down a couple days late.
They were busy, apparently, I'm hearing.
tim pool
But they wanted them removed.
libby emmons
But yeah, so we took the ads down and, you know, they basically gave legitimacy to these violent extremists who wanted to silence the media and silence the press.
And they actually, you know, they replied to customers too, and we have screenshots of this as well, because Andy reached out on Twitter and was like, hey, if you hear from them, And we have screenshots.
They told customers that Andy was, you know, violent and they weren't going to be working with us anymore because of Andy.
tim pool
There are a lot of people on the right who said they've worked with Surfshark.
libby emmons
Yeah.
I mean, I think this is a horrible thing to do.
I think it's a horrible company.
bill ottman
I mean, that shows that they don't actually care.
libby emmons
Right.
bill ottman
They're only responding to PR issues.
libby emmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
And it's really just this one person said this thing.
bill ottman
Oh yeah.
No, it's all nonsense.
I mean, so where do you, where do you guys see the sort of, oh, I'm only doing business with a certain type of political ideology going?
Like, do you think that it's going to move into like a polarized corporate system?
tim pool
It's going to be, I mentioned this before, like parallel economies, but I think people need to boycott And tell all their friends and family to boycott.
And the way I see it is, if a company is willing to defame someone privately and publicly, then whatever it costs them in PR to run those ads, it should cost them 100 times from the power of the people to say, you're bad and we reject this, and then going out and telling everybody.
Because I'll tell you this.
People don't, you know, there's this old saying, I can't remember exactly, but it's like this advice you'll get in media, like a negative experience is 10 times worse, you know, or it's like a thousand times worse than a positive one.
A positive experience is expected.
A negative experience is infuriating.
So if someone goes into your restaurant and they order a cheesecake and it's a delicious cheesecake, they'll be like, wow, that's so good.
Well, of course it should be.
They probably won't give you a good review.
They won't share your restaurant.
They won't tell their friends about it.
But if you have a cheesecake and it, like, is gross, they'll tell everyone they know.
So if these companies want to play this game, where they're willing to step up, stand up, and shove themselves into an ideological conflict, and I'll mention this too, Andy is the editor-at-large.
libby emmons
He's the editor-at-large, yeah.
tim pool
So to sever their business arrangement over one employee.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
And to violate the privacy.
libby emmons
One editor.
That's the big thing.
We have a lot of editors, too.
Yeah, I mean, and we're keeping our legal options open because this was clearly defamation.
tim pool
Yeah.
Defamation and libel.
ian crossland
And for every instance of it, is it another instance of libel for every person that they contacted?
libby emmons
Yeah, like every time they say it.
tim pool
Every person they told lies about Andy causing damages?
libby emmons
Yeah.
And by saying that they're not getting involved, they are very clearly getting involved on the side of this guy who, you know, just has it in for Andy because Andy exposes Antifa all over the place and is very honest about it and works hard at that.
bill ottman
We got to get the post-millennial monetized with mines.
Bill's like, I'm not joking.
tim pool
I'll make a business move.
libby emmons
Yeah, let's do it.
Actually, you told me the other day, you were like, hey, do your thing.
So I changed my password because of course I couldn't find anything.
And I found that somebody had given me tokens.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
That's money.
libby emmons
So that was fun.
ian crossland
Money in the bank!
tim pool
We need, you know, there was a period where I said, I was like, a few years ago, I'm like, oh, Hulu did something woke.
I'm not going to boycott because they said something dumb.
I'll come, you know, I'll tell them it's dumb.
I'm well past that point.
I'm like, if a company comes out and does something like this, which is substantially worse than just posting stupid, you know, woke nonsense.
If they actively defame people and enter the conflict, I say go nuclear.
Share it with your friends.
Share my tweets with everybody.
Tell everyone you know, anybody who has the service, no.
We're not going to work with you.
bill ottman
We're not going to buy from you.
tim pool
Do you say the same thing for Amazon?
When Amazon bans people?
Yes.
All the time.
bill ottman
No, I know, but are you boycotting Amazon?
Uh, that's a tough one.
ian crossland
Half.
tim pool
But you're right, it's a good point.
libby emmons
I actually started, there were some things that I was ordering on Amazon and I actually started ordering them from the company specifically.
I'm not going to say it because what if they say they hate me and then I can't order their stuff anymore.
But there's a, it's interesting what you were saying about the parallel economies because we switched, you know, we switched mostly from using YouTube for our podcasts and stuff at Postmillennial and now we're using Rumble for everything.
And it's, you know, just fine and we like them quite a bit.
It's a lot, you know...
This is what we're talking about culture, and like in terms of creating more culture, what is going to happen?
Are there going to be fully parallel economies with different services based on ideological perspectives?
tim pool
Yes.
libby emmons
And if so, you know, where's the conservative Amazon?
Part of it too is that the non-left-wing side of things doesn't always do as great a job, you know?
They don't have all the graphic designers.
They don't have all the creatives.
So what's going to happen with that?
tim pool
It is changing.
It's definitely changing.
And I think, yes, where's the conservative to launch an Amazon marketplace?
libby emmons
I would buy from that place.
tim pool
Didn't Mike Lindell try doing something?
bill ottman
I feel like that's, again, you're going too far.
It's like, where's the apolitical?
Yeah.
launching the alternative, you know, because it's like when you hear where's the conservative
alter it's not always it's like don't just go to the other side, you know, it has to
be the one that is well hold on there for everybody.
tim pool
What what I'm saying is where the conservative side is the side that allows you to sell Karl
Marx and Hitler.
The left side is a side that allows you to only sell Karl Marx.
libby emmons
And that used to be the left.
bill ottman
You could say conservative, or maybe it's an apolitical, free-speech-supporting... That's right-wing, bro!
But you're falling into the trap!
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
libby emmons
Free speech and free religion are on the right-wing side at this point.
ian crossland
No, no, that stuff's beyond political parties.
libby emmons
It used to be!
tim pool
It still is.
ian crossland
You can't have it if you're gonna divide this up, it can't happen.
tim pool
You guys are naive and unwilling to accept the reality of what's happening.
unidentified
If you're going to allow yourself to play their game that you already lost... Joe Rogan is called alt-right.
tim pool
Joe Rogan is called alt-right.
Bill Maher is called alt-right.
But it's not— Joe Rogan is called far-right, and the dude's literally in favor of UBI.
ian crossland
It doesn't mean it's real.
Dumb people are using those terms.
tim pool
Left and right don't mean anything, and never really did, other than, are you in favor of the revolution or opposed to it?
So yes, if you oppose the left's woke revolution, you are the right.
ian crossland
Republican and Democrat don't mean anything.
It's just a thing you tick.
It's no different.
tim pool
Republican and Democrat refer to the parties.
bill ottman
You don't accept that you're right-wing.
You do not accept that you're right-wing.
tim pool
I have repeatedly said, in terms of the culture war, I would be considered on the right.
bill ottman
You would be considered, but that doesn't mean that that's what you are.
tim pool
Let me finish.
Michael Malice has described this as the new right, new right personalities, and his position is, ask someone this question, and I'll ask you.
Do you believe that some people are better than others?
bill ottman
Of course not.
tim pool
You don't think so?
That's the left position.
The new right position is, of course, there.
bill ottman
Well, I sort of misinterpreted the question.
libby emmons
Well, it depends on what you mean by better.
bill ottman
Like, what does better mean?
That's your interpretation.
Is one human life more valuable than another?
I didn't say that.
Exactly.
So that's how I interpreted it.
Are some people more ethical than others?
Yes.
tim pool
What Michael said is the left will opine and justify, and the right will simply say yes.
So here's the issue.
In terms of the political compass, my political ideology leans left in terms of cooperative, you know, I know right libertarians don't like the idea, but cooperative meaning non-transactional, more like I'll help you if you help me.
It doesn't really scale up all that well, so mostly I defer to positions of liberty.
However, in the culture war, I believe in free speech.
I believe in religious freedoms.
I believe in bodily autonomy.
Those things do not exist in any facet on the left.
Okay, so maybe that's too absolute.
Maybe there's some people on the left who are calling this out.
But look at AOC going to the Met Gala with her Tax the Rich dress, where a guy carries it for her while wearing a mask.
She is not... That's the hero of the progressive left.
Then you look at the libertarian socialist YouTubers and streamers who are celebrating rule by decree.
If you, when you come out and you're speaking colloquially in modern culture, the free speech, freedom of association, the right to read any book you want is considered right-wing.
bill ottman
Yeah, I don't disagree, but that, again, it's sort of adopting their paradigm to accept that.
libby emmons
What would you suggest we do instead?
ian crossland
Just erase those words from your lexicon first.
libby emmons
And say what?
bill ottman
I'm happy to say liberty.
Liberty is fine.
And if people are going to associate that with the right, that's their decision.
But, you know, liberty is not going to get taken away from the language.
libby emmons
Part of the problem, I think, is that we need to be able to communicate with one another, and so we need to share words, and those words need to have common definitions.
bill ottman
Do you not think that liberty is a more effective word than conservative?
I mean, I don't want to say libertarian because that has... Libertarian is its own political party.
But liberty, I think, I don't think is co-opted.
unidentified
So you would say you are... I'm not making the new term.
I don't know.
libby emmons
But... I mean, I've heard the concept of the... Liberty-minded, I think, is cool.
bill ottman
You know, there's different words that can achieve it without having that association.
libby emmons
I think what draws me to the concept of, you know, yeah, but we can't define ourselves as a negative.
bill ottman
Right.
ian crossland
Why do you need to define yourself?
bill ottman
Pro-freedom.
I mean, come on.
You're right that that will be associated with the right, but that is actually... Dude, the Gadsden flag.
tim pool
has one simple meaning.
Liberty.
Leave me alone.
Yet, the Antifa people have a flag of the communist fist killing the snake, squeezing it out.
So I have friends who are the left.
They will tell you outright they are in favor of the state taking away your freedoms.
So we can say freedom.
They'll still say, in the media, in every newspaper, right-wing.
bill ottman
Yeah, that's... that's fine.
Let them do that.
tim pool
The interesting thing, I suppose, is that, like, on my Wikipedia, for instance, it says I'm both left and right, and they're like... It's like his anti-corporate politics are fairly left-wing, and it's like, bro, left and right don't mean anything other than tribal signifiers at this point.
Like, uh, I think left and right can probably be broken down very, very simply.
Do you question the narrative, or do you blindly follow it?
If you blindly follow it, that's what we consider left.
If you challenge it, that's what's considered right-wing.
So even if your positions are like pro-choice, tax the rich, universal healthcare, UBI, and you challenge official narrative, they'll call you right-wing.
bill ottman
I just think there's a lot of people on the left that don't want that to be the case.
The freedom sect of the left, they don't want that.
tim pool
So what's the freedom sect of the left?
bill ottman
There is.
You know, it's there.
The anarcho-communists, the libertarian socialists.
tim pool
When the libertarian socialists are following prominent individuals who celebrate rule by decree, and the anarcho-communists are firebombing small businesses, they are just lying about what they represent.
bill ottman
I don't know.
I don't want to give up hope that there is a group of people on that end of the spectrum that do care about values that matter.
tim pool
When Gamergate happened, a lot of these people started posting their political compass tests and they were all left libertarian.
Now they're all like center, center right.
libby emmons
That happened to me.
I used to, I've been taking those, those little, you know, Cosmo testers of political affiliation and it used to be like all over here and now it's over here, but it's the same stuff.
Like I'm, I'm voicing the same opinion.
ian crossland
They're changing the algorithms to make you think that you're in some kind of club or labeled some certain way to divide you.
Like, don't play the game.
Don't say left and right.
Don't put people in camps and say they're conservative and this, because then they're going to use that.
To destroy the cults.
Yeah, they'll destroy each little cult.
The conservative cult, the liberal cult, the left cult, the right.
They will target that sect of things that we've created inadvertently.
We let ourselves lazily do it, so don't do it.
libby emmons
People want to be affiliated with each other.
People want to be part of groups.
ian crossland
It's understandable.
That's in our genetics to survive.
libby emmons
Yeah, I mean, we're a hive species, right?
tim pool
There's one institutional cult, and that's it.
ian crossland
We're not a hive species.
No, we're like...
libby emmons
New York City looks kind of like a hive sometimes.
ian crossland
Yeah, but we, I don't think humans are necessarily hive animals.
We're more herd animals.
libby emmons
Yeah.
ian crossland
And, and to identify, Tim, I'm so sorry.
I didn't even understand what you just said.
Cause I was in the middle of that conversation with Libby.
What did you just say?
tim pool
You said, you started pointing out like the conservative cult and this cult, and there's only one cult.
ian crossland
Oh, that I disagree with.
tim pool
Obviously there's like cults, they exist, but independent voters and Republicans are
challenging the narrative.
Republican voters express disdain for the Republican Party.
Democrat voters overwhelmingly believe whatever they're told by Micah Brzezinski or Rachel
ian crossland
Maddow.
No, it isn't.
No, from the other perspective.
Yes, it is a narrative.
tim pool
That's a cult.
When Tugger Carlson came out and said Sidney Powell was wrong, they lost like 3 million viewers.
libby emmons
Do you want to know something?
I was on his show that night, and I lost so many Twitter followers that night because I was on the show where he Slammed Sidney Powell.
That was very funny.
tim pool
But they still retained millions of viewers and still is the biggest show because people on the right are not.
They're individualists.
They're not unified for the most part, though there are different groups within the right that make it up.
I'll put it this way.
No, I forgot the analogy I was going to use.
Anyway, the point is, the left as we know it, The ones that are pro-vaccine mandate, the ones that believe Trump colluded with Russia, the ones that never let that go.
They refuse to believe the facts when stories come out and say like Biden did this.
Mark Milley called China outside the chain of command.
All of this is, this story is developing, being confirmed.
Now we have the defense secretary saying, I never authorized that.
Now we have the defense secretary saying, if Trump gave a military order, it should
not be going to Mark Milley.
And what is the mainstream narrative?
He was a hero who stopped a madman.
That is the cult.
That they can tell you to your face they've shuttered the three branches of government, they have bypassed the standard process of legislation, and the priests of this, the so-called libertarian socialists, are celebrating the usurping of civilian authority, the usurping of the branches of our government.
They're in a cult.
Now, if Republican voters like, if Trump voters, Republican voters and independents argue with each other all day and night, but agree on certain principles of freedom, clearly not a cult.
Because I can have an argument with somebody about, like Jack the other day, about family and responsibility, and we're not unified, but we'll hang out, we'll have more shows and we'll debate these ideas.
Look at what the left does on their shows.
You can't challenge them.
Brian Stelter won't have on Glenn Greenwald to question him in any capacity, but Tucker Carlson brings on Antifa all the time.
If one side is saying, challenge the narrative and question science, because that's what science is supposed to be, and we'll absolutely entertain our rivals' positions, and the left says, never gonna allow it, let me tell you one more thing.
There's no sides, dude.
unidentified
Well, there are people who are willing to talk and people who are not willing to talk.
tim pool
There's tyranny and there is freedom.
Yeah, but that changes.
ian crossland
One person, I might not want to talk today, but tomorrow I could be in a different mood.
tim pool
There are tyrants, like Gavin Newsom, who are putting rules in place and then breaking them, and you're saying, well, it's no sides.
ian crossland
Hey, I agree that he's acting like a tyrant, yes.
libby emmons
I would say that if you're acting like a tyrant, you are a tyrant.
ian crossland
Yeah, sure, but that doesn't mean that people are on two different sides.
Like, that's falling into the trap of the left and the right and the Republican.
libby emmons
I don't think it's necessarily a trap.
ian crossland
No, I'm trying to fix it.
You cannot fix it if you're going to play the fault.
libby emmons
Okay, but here's the thing that happened.
You have the, let's call them Democrats, because that's actually a political party and we can agree on the definition of that, right?
So you have the Democrats, Gavin Newsom, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, all of these people, they assumed that, they decided that Trump's presidency was a sham presidency, right?
They decided that that was the case.
They acted as though that was the case for four years.
They acted outside of traditional... The law.
Sure, yeah.
tim pool
Durham is filing an indictment against the lawyer who fabricated evidence.
libby emmons
What's his name?
Sussman?
Yeah.
So they did.
They acted extra judiciously.
They acted outside of legislative means because they believed that Trump was a sham president.
And they assumed that everyone else believed it, too.
Like, look at even when Biden was running for president and after he won and he started saying America is back, as though America wasn't here for the past four years the whole time.
tim pool
Look, we got to go to Super Chats, but I'll say one more thing.
Joe Biden has come out on numerous occasions looking into the camera and addressing two nations.
That's it.
Initially he said, we need more lockdowns, we're gonna need more restrictions.
At a time when red states either didn't have them or were ending their lockdowns.
When Joe Biden said that, it was clear he wasn't talking to Republican states.
Recently he said, our patience is wearing thin.
He's not talking about blue states because we have the data from the CDC already.
Blue states are overwhelmingly vaxxed, around 70 to 80%.
libby emmons
He was talking to Louisiana.
tim pool
But red states are under 50%.
ian crossland
There's no red and blue states.
There's states where, like, there might be a Republican governor, and there's a 63% of the people are registered Republican.
It doesn't mean the state is red.
There's a lot of people of a lot of different mentalities.
tim pool
We're going to Super Chats?
ian crossland
Yeah, we are.
tim pool
And I'm gonna tell you this.
We are not going to have these fake semantic arguments ever again.
ian crossland
Dude, this is the point of the conversation, is the semant.
Yes, that is what 1984 is about.
tim pool
The issue is that when we can have three, we have a room with five people in it, and four people can say to you the definition of the word rights, and for no reason other than to just make a fake argument, you get into semantics, we're never doing that again.
ian crossland
What are you talking about rights?
tim pool
We had a conversation about what rights were.
And no matter how many times we tried in good faith to give you a definition, you rejected it.
Because you weren't interested in actually coming to an understanding, you were just trying to argue.
ian crossland
People were telling me rights were derived from God.
I was pointing out that I don't think that that's true.
tim pool
And when we tried to explain what that meant, because you're taking it to a theistic place instead of understanding the definition, you refused.
So we don't do that anymore.
bill ottman
So just one question on that.
So you think that just for practical purposes, it is worthwhile to just use the labels Even though they don't really mean anything, you think that it's just sort of a pragmatic thing to just do it.
tim pool
They mean something.
It's not black and white.
There's nuance to it.
Like if you break down what left and right means on political compass, I'm clearly on the left economically and libertarian.
If you're talking about the overarching culture war, Then the left is simply people who agree with what the left tribe wants, and the right is simply people who agree with what the right tribe wants.
And if the right tribe includes libertarians, and even left libertarians, and the left doesn't include those people, then there's a clear understanding of what left and right means.
There are very clearly states that have an overwhelmingly red population.
We call them red states.
There are states that are overwhelmingly blue.
And you can track a whole bunch of data points across them.
For instance, vaccination rates.
Blue states, except for the ones that Trump challenged, the five states that were being challenged by Republicans, those are the only low vaccination rate blue states.
But every state that voted for Trump outside of those states have low vaccination rates.
Every state that voted for Joe Biden, aside of the anomaly, has high vaccination rates.
When Joe Biden comes out and looks in the camera and says, our patience is wearing thin, it is impossible to believe that he is talking to the states that are already vaccinated.
He's clearly, there's a delineation between what this country is, And he is telling the other group, we are losing our patience.
Who's we?
They've done it on more than one occasion.
They've repeatedly gone on CNN, these pundits, and said, we need to make it miserable for them.
And people have pointed this stuff out.
libby emmons
Don Lemon keeps saying that.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
Don Lemon on CNN keeps saying that people who are not vaccinated should be segregated from the rest of society and that they're bringing the rest of the country down.
tim pool
And now we have a landlord in Florida who's saying, I'm going to evict people who aren't vaccinated.
So there's very clearly, what people need to understand is that we're not talking about a simple one, negative one, two completely isolated numbers mirroring each other.
There's overlap in communities of people who believe certain things.
There's conservatives who live in blue areas, but the area is still overwhelmingly dominated by a certain culture.
There are different sides.
And the idea that like, you know, when Bill Maher said, a civil war can't happen because the Mason-Dixon line would run through Nana's kitchen.
Do you think that the states would just go...
He has like no idea what he's talking about.
Anyway, let's read Super Chats.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, and go to TimCast.com because we will have that bonus segment coming up.
All right.
We got Nicholas Lipset says, I wonder if those that didn't submit their vaccine to the CDC are counted in the stats for the vaccinated.
I didn't and don't have my card anymore.
I also know a lot of others that didn't.
Interesting.
People have also mentioned that the cards were too big for wallets and they had lost them already.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
I think you were mentioning that too, right?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
In New York.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Odra Noelle Zenitram says, it's not the country falling apart.
It's the centralization forced upon by the Fed.
This is a good thing.
Also, enough of the China fear mongering.
They're broke and saber rattle with paper mache saber.
I think that's wrong.
libby emmons
Yeah, I disagree with that.
tim pool
A lot of people have tried pushing that narrative of like, oh, China's weak.
lydia smith
Paper tiger.
libby emmons
They just want us to believe that so that they can, you know.
unidentified
Yep.
lydia smith
Smart.
unidentified
Take over the world.
Alright, let's see.
tim pool
Kevin Byrne says, the animated shorts on the Cast Castle are great. They call him Eon.
They are absolutely wonderful.
And if you haven't already, go to youtube.com slash cast castle, subscribe to the vlog, new episodes every day.
unidentified
All right, let's see, what is this?
tim pool
That hasmet says, Tim, you make my soul cry paying absurd secondary market pricing for hard to find bottles.
These shops are price gougers and have these dusty bottles sitting around for a reason.
They harm the whiskey.
They harm the whiskey, com?
Yes, I am aware.
It is hard to find certain bottles and I don't know what to do.
So you go to a place and they're like, we charge a premium on it.
I'm like, if you want to get it, I don't have time to go drive around the country looking for the stuff at, you know, better prices.
Mark, uh-oh, Mark Giudetti.
Secession is treason.
Encouraging it is inciting treason, so please stop being a traitor, Tim.
You are better than Millie, so don't be a traitor.
Encouraging secession?
libby emmons
What?
That's quite a leap, that whole thread there.
Yeah, absolutely.
Quiet moves good.
bill ottman
It's a perspective.
lydia smith
Yeah, it is a perspective.
libby emmons
It's one.
It is a view that a person has.
lydia smith
That's right, he's allowed.
tim pool
Let's see.
Well, Dernaven says, fun fact, secession is in New Hampshire's constitution.
libby emmons
Oh, that's interesting.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
Dee says, my mom's doctor took the vax but recommended she not get it due to heart problems.
One of the leading causes of death in the U.S.
is heart disease.
In fact, it is the leading cause.
I think 660,000 people per year die of heart disease.
libby emmons
That's a lot, yeah.
tim pool
And it is mostly older people, but it scales down to younger people.
So I think, you know, maybe we need to protect people's hearts from the unhealthy.
libby emmons
Yeah, probably so.
tim pool
We got to triage this stuff.
We can't, if someone comes into a hospital and they're like, you know, my heart hurts
and someone else is morbidly obese, sorry, morbidly obese person, you get out.
That's what the left has been saying, right?
libby emmons
About how we do this.
Yeah, they've been saying that their version of personal responsibility is that you are
responsible for the diseases you get.
But nothing else.
tim pool
We won't say the lab, we'll say the cultists.
libby emmons
Okay.
But you're not responsible personally for anything else.
You're not personally responsible for the debts you incur or the jobs you won't take or anything like that.
bill ottman
Cultist is actually a great word to just keep using more.
tim pool
There you go.
Let's see.
Andrew Starr says, Ian's show should be called Getting Baked with Cosmic Garth.
lydia smith
I like it.
tim pool
All right.
Seriously, JK says, imagine spearheading a mass effort to actually show the culture war to people who are not paying attention.
Then show them Twitter for the first time so they can see what is actually going on.
Minds would be blown.
That's politics.
A lot of people have no idea.
And I think it's funny when, you know, people like these high profile comedians who are like in politics don't go online and they don't know how Twitter influences the world.
And then you go on Twitter and like some random idiot tweets and then a media company loses a sponsor because some idiot lied on Twitter.
libby emmons
I had a lot of respect for Nicki Minaj's statement last night that she came out with.
I thought it was good.
lydia smith
So just real quick, I looked up the secession treason thing, and secession in itself I do not think is a form of treason.
Going to war with a country is a form of treason, which is basically what happened in Civil War.
tim pool
Yeah, it could be considered sedition, but treason is adhering to the enemy or providing them aid and comfort.
So if New Hampshire's like, yo, we out, they can say that's seditious, but I don't think it's treason.
lydia smith
I don't see it.
libby emmons
Like telling another country that we'll give them fair warning if we're going to attack just on the side.
lydia smith
That sounds like treason.
libby emmons
That's not so great.
tim pool
Blackrock Beacon says, Ian, they do have cult leaders, many of them.
The cult is more like a religious organization that has preachers.
It's the blue church, the cathedral.
That's one way to put it.
Let's see.
Dema... Is that a... It's hard to read if it's an R, N, or an M. Demavend says, Article 10 of the NH Bill of Rights is the right of revolution.
We have secession already there.
So if you're not familiar with the Free State Project, you can check out their website.
They're basically like, you sign a pledge saying we're going to move there and just completely advocate for freedom.
So, there you go.
Who's there?
Mike says, Ian, I understand that you are resisting fear, panic and trying to be optimistic.
I would ask you though, when have they ever given up their power?
Who is there?
There is also not one Hitler to point to on purpose.
That way you cannot aim your rage onto one person.
You aim at a party.
ian crossland
George Washington gave up his power.
tim pool
That's what he's saying is the left is a group of people and many of them are in powerful
positions and many of them are just cogs in the machine, blindly following and giving
their resources and power to empower these people who then do things like Gavin Newsom.
He's not the president, but he says, everybody, we're shutting down your businesses.
Hollywood, you're good to go.
Ladies, small business, you're shut down.
Me, by the way, I'll go to a restaurant violating all the rules and not wear a mask.
ian crossland
I mean, if you zoom out, I think all of us as Americans are blindly giving money or supporting a system like this.
It's not totalitarian, but it's like a world military.
Whatever's taken over the United States, by us kind of passively enjoying the United States' benefits, we're supporting it.
tim pool
I think Trump voters voted for him on the basis of him saying he was going to be getting out of the Middle East, and then he gained something like 11 million new voters because he was actively getting our troops out of the Middle East and putting these deals in place.
I think most Americans don't want these wars, do want to get out, don't want the tyranny.
They want to have their homestead, they want to have their family, they want to be left alone and live peacefully and not be engaging in global conflict.
The problem is, there is a cult that is willing to elect Joe Biden a warmonger and re-empower the establishment to go about blowing stuff up.
And there you go.
libby emmons
But it's also been, I mean, it's been the implementation of crisis politics for the past Twenty years.
And we have taken those crises, looked at them and said, OK, because of this crisis, we will give up our rights.
Right.
We gave up our rights with the Patriot Act, the formation of the Department of Homeland Security, which now seems to believe that domestic white terror, white supremacy is the biggest terrorist threat facing the country.
We just have systematically given up our rights ever since September 11th, willingly saying, you know, we're not going to hold our representatives to account.
And we still don't.
I think why don't we?
ian crossland
The cult is global.
It's it's a and to divide the Americans up now is not good because it is there is a cult that put Joe Biden in power and it's not American.
It's some weird global organization, dude.
libby emmons
Like, I don't think the Great Reset is real.
ian crossland
It's a global cult.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's true.
But I do think that it's about time America dealt with itself.
ian crossland
But not by dividing ourselves.
libby emmons
Maybe not by dividing ourselves, but I think that we should be American exceptionalists.
I think we should look at our nation and say, these are the things we stand for.
They are right and true and good, and we're going to stand for them no matter what.
tim pool
I think the issue is that Ian hasn't experienced what it means to go up against evil.
Like, right?
So when you have what we call the cult, and I will in good faith communicate with a journalist and provide them hard evidence that the claims made against me are not true, and they purposefully omit that because their real goal is destruction and pain, like, you're like, wow.
That's evil.
And so you're like, we shouldn't divide ourselves, bro.
You're letting a fox in the hen house under the presumption that, well, we're all animals.
We can all live together.
It's like, but we watched the fox murder the hens.
Don't let it in the hen house.
And you're like, we shouldn't divide ourselves.
We're all creatures of God's green earth.
ian crossland
Well, we're all American citizens.
We're not foxes and hens.
tim pool
The point I'm making is that You can look at Aaron Rupar, a guy who's so notorious for lying that he has a word, Ruparing.
unidentified
Yes, he does.
tim pool
People call it Ruparing when you take someone out of context on purpose and lie about them.
He does it so often.
And he works for a major company that's massively funded.
And he supports people like Joe Biden, who enriches his family off corruption.
Hillary Clinton, who takes all of these emails and deletes them and destroys them.
Whose staff smashed cell phones with hammers.
No, I'm not saying the Republicans are good.
They're bad people, too.
Trump came in as a bull, smashing it as an insurgent candidate, causing a lot of problems for the establishment neocons, who immediately then joined the Democrats, the Lincoln Project, supposedly conservatives.
Now they're pro-choice, because they have no principles.
They are pro-establishment.
When you go and see Antifa throw an explosive at a 60-70 year old woman.
When I watched in San Jose a mob of leftists, some with Bernie shirts on, shove a couple of old people in their 60s to the ground, take their hats off their head and set them on fire.
You think you're going to unite with these people?
You've not experienced it.
ian crossland
Well, what's your other option?
tim pool
I went to a group of Trump supporters and I said, I'd like to talk.
And he said, no problem, sir.
Would you like to join us for dinner?
Daryl Davis walked over to the protesters at our event and said, you guys, and they said, Nazi, shame, Nazi.
And he was like, what's happening?
And then he posted, he posted on Facebook, I've never experienced this before, that he walked up to clansmen and they allowed him to come and talk with them.
And those people are bad people.
But he was able to find some good, some light in the darkness, and pull that out of the shadows.
That I understand.
But when you are confronting this corrupt mold, this destructive chaotic force, that not even Daryl Davis could break through.
ian crossland
It's the system.
You have to change the system.
tim pool
It's a cult.
ian crossland
And these people are- The cult is a derivative of the system, of the fractional reserve of this weird- It's the media.
Media?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But it's more than that.
It is a cult.
It is not that the media one day, the guy who owns CNN, you know, Jeff Zucker, president, he didn't go to a meeting where they're like, we want to indoctrinate everybody.
It was like, you got it.
They eat their own refuse.
It is a sewer.
Jack Dorsey used to be the CEO of the free speech wing of the Free Speech Party.
But then Twitter became this hive of scum and villainy where people were making money off of being assholes and then Jack ate all of that refuse and then espoused it back out and still does.
They are being infected by their own algorithmic psychosis.
And now you have people in the streets genuinely believing that black people are being hunted down by the police and murdered, which is not true, and they're burning down small businesses and killing people because of it.
There is a problem in this country, and there are people who are standing up, criticizing the narrative and questioning it, and even challenging me.
They'll say, Tim, you're wrong about this, Tim, you're wrong about that, every single day.
But in that world, I can't even get a single leftist to show up to talk to Alex Jones.
Really?
Yeah, we booked one person and they said, I'm so excited to do this and then cancelled on us at the last minute.
I reached out to a few more and they all said the same thing.
I will not do this.
Why?
Because they're in a cult.
And if they stand up and ever associate with anyone on the other side, like we would like to, they will be destroyed, they know it, and they refuse.
That's why so many of the anti-SJW YouTubers from back in the day during GamerGate flipped and are now leftists.
Or at the very least, bowed out of the fight.
Because they're more worried about them, their ability to make money, than to stand up for their principles, and they know.
The encroachment of the CADEC destructive force is seeping into more and more institutions, and they've bet we will lose.
I don't care if we lose, because I'll get in my van and go down by the river, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit here and be like the dude who threw a brick through the mom and pop bakery shop or burned it down and killed a guy.
Let's unite with those people.
They're good people.
bill ottman
Well, and Ian, you can have compassion, you know, on a human level for them, but also not play their game and call them out.
Which you do, quite frankly.
I think that Ian likes to play the semantic game, but he also does call out things when it's obvious.
So you can do both at the same time.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think we have to.
You have to stop the actions of violence, but also understand that those people can be de-radicalized.
tim pool
Darryl Davis couldn't do it.
libby emmons
I don't think they want to be de-radicalized.
bill ottman
Well, that's the thing.
libby emmons
I mean, they have everything.
They have all of culture.
They have all of politics for the most part.
Why would you possibly want to be de-radicalized?
bill ottman
Darryl doesn't force people.
Darryl doesn't, can't.
Look, you can't force someone to de-radicalize.
So Darryl only engages with people who are willing to talk to him.
tim pool
And they weren't.
bill ottman
And they weren't, exactly.
So you can't, you're not going to convince, you're not going to force someone to change.
Daryl deals with people over years at a time, listens to them literally for months hating on him, and then eventually they start asking questions about him.
tim pool
Did you see the picture of the woman in the gorilla mask throwing eggs at Larry Elder?
libby emmons
I thought that was actually, do you guys remember the Gorilla Girls?
So the Gorilla Girls were a, you know, basically a leftist activist group where they would all wear gorilla masks to stage actions.
And I think that that was actually, it looked to me like a gorilla girl mask.
But also it was sort of amazing that this person was unaware, seemingly unaware that they were wearing... They're zombies!
Like a really...
That would be so racist.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
It would just be so racist to wear a gorilla mask and throw eggs at a black guy.
tim pool
Attack a black man.
libby emmons
You know, what the heck is that about?
tim pool
They're zombies.
bill ottman
Right.
libby emmons
You know, that's crazy.
tim pool
They're zombies.
libby emmons
Yeah.
If you look at like Antifa, you know, you were talking about them and they were recently, I think it was in Portland, and they were attacking Christians and throwing, the Christians were having like a, you know, some sort of prayer thing and they threw all their sound equipment at I was in San Bernardino and there were Trump protesters and Antifa protesters.
tim pool
And I was just there filming.
And a bunch of the people on the right, some of them knew I was a few years ago.
I walked over to the Antipa people, and they were standing there holding signs, and I was like, hey, would you guys wanna... And as soon as I did, a woman came up and started going, Mike, check!
unidentified
Mike, check!
Mike, check!
tim pool
And then they all started repeating her, Mike, check!
Mike, check!
And she goes, do not speak!
Do not speak to anyone!
To anyone!
unidentified
They're trying to trick you!
tim pool
They're trying to trick you!
And then I was like, okay, well they do that all the time.
And then I was like, would any of you guys, and they completely ignore me, would not say anything because it is a zombie horde.
It is a cult.
There is no unifying with people who you can't even talk to.
If you can't even invite them to sit down.
So there are some people that I think of as reasonable on the left, that are leftists, that like hate Trump and all that stuff, they won't come on.
Of all of the people, that's why I'm like, my respect to Vaush.
People rag on him all the time, but he came here twice.
And so there are a handful of people I know who follow me, they're on the left, and they refuse to come and have a conversation with people on the right.
unidentified
Dude, I'm on the show with you, dude.
ian crossland
I'm the other, I'm the guy on the left.
I'm here with you.
tim pool
You're not on the left, Ian.
ian crossland
I mean, basically.
tim pool
You're not.
ian crossland
I'm pretty much a socialist leftist.
bill ottman
But just because you can't unify with somebody now, you know, it's okay to say, you know, okay, yeah, at some point in the distant future, someone who will refuse to have a conversation now, maybe in 30 years, they'll be ready for a conversation.
I think part of what's going on though is it's not just about having a conversation.
you know, 20 years to, you know, be willing to come to the table. At the end
of the day, people need to be willing to have the conversation. I think part of what's
libby emmons
going on though is it's not just about having a conversation. It's about there
being entirely divergent worldviews. So these, you know, cultists, leftists,
whatever the word is that we are coming up with this evening, they don't have,
there's not a same worldview.
There's not a same perspective on what America is, on what society should be about, on what values should be.
It's like we don't have the same concept of reality at this point.
If you, like, great example would be watch Joy read.
And then watch Tucker Carlson.
And you'd be shocked to find that they are actually in the same world, in the same country.
tim pool
And you'd be shocked to find that Joy Reid's lying half the time, and Tucker is opinionated.
bill ottman
They're probably both represented by the same talent agency for gigs.
tim pool
When Tucker criticized Simon & Schuster, but then he has his book through Simon & Schuster.
libby emmons
Well, that's why he was criticizing Simon & Schuster.
Like he was criticizing Simon & Schuster based on his experience working with them.
tim pool
If we can look at all of the economic numbers across the board.
libby emmons
I'm not saying he was right about that, by the way.
tim pool
If we can look at every economic number from the loss of jobs, job openings, jobs being filled, unemployment increasing, all of these things, and be like, these are bad indicators.
If we can see that projected GDP growth is actually dropping down to slightly above average at a time when we're supposed to be in this massive recovery, and we're getting more lockdowns now, the vaccine mandates are causing businesses to decline, there's a massive labor shortage, so people are struggling to hire, and then the Democrats go, the economy's pretty good.
Yeah, they don't live in reality, dude.
ian crossland
No, media's twisting a lot of people, but it's coordinated from way beyond the United States.
tim pool
And you can't break them out of it because cult techniques... The way you get someone out of a cult is you remove them from the cult and don't let them communicate with the cult until they can snap out into reality.
But now they have smartphones that assure them no matter what happens, they will always be hooked into the Matrix.
How do you get them out of it?
You can't.
I have family members who have lost their minds.
I have friends who have lost their minds.
There are people I grew up with who are going on Twitter and making things up about me.
There was one story, my favorite story, was that at 2am, I went to an activist's house in Boston and turned their TV on, waking up everyone in their house.
libby emmons
And I'm like, how dare you?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
And people were commenting like, whoa, I can't believe Tim would do that.
libby emmons
And I'm like, that's insanity.
tim pool
When was I in Boston?
I don't know you.
libby emmons
How'd you get the remote?
tim pool
But they make these things up.
I have friends that I used to skate with every day that I grew up in Chicago that are going on Twitter and lying about me because they're in a cult.
And I have actually messaged them like, I've known you for 15 years.
You know that's not true about me.
Here's more evidence from my private files proving that story was fake.
And they go, I don't care.
They're in a cult.
They do not care.
libby emmons
They actually say that they don't care.
tim pool
They don't overtly say the words, I don't care.
They just will put me on read and then say something like...
Well, I'm reading the news, so... And then they... If I give evidence... So I have one friend who was posting lies about me based on a fake article, and then I showed him private business records like, bro, I've known you for decades.
Like, look at this right here.
That story is not true.
And then he went right back to Twitter and started posting the same lies.
And so I was... I messaged him again.
I was like, dude, if you don't care about the fact that I can give you the records proving the story's a lie, You're in a cult.
He would rather ignore the evidence and maintain the lies to be part of the mob that's burning the country down.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like this.
This cult metaphor is a lot easier to understand than left and right for me because they are kind of in a cult where the cult leader is this media apparatus.
tim pool
We gotta read some more Super Chats because we didn't do enough.
The Raptor's Talon says, are you planning on hiring video games journalists?
I would offer myself were it not for my complete lack of journalistic experience.
Perhaps, but we have a whole bunch of irons in the fire right now, and we need to first launch the Mystery Show, which we've been working on for some time.
We have to do graphics, we're coding the website to be able to handle the new members' content.
Right now, TimCast.com has members' content, but it's all TimCast IRL.
In order to launch a new show with members' content, we have to be able to separate the different shows when you go to the members' area.
So it's gonna be like any one of these streaming services with different shows, and I think we have like seven shows in production.
So I'm trying to make sure we're not spreading too thin and we're actually going to get these shows cranked out.
But we've actually been filming to produce a lot of these.
The next step is the website needs to be coded to handle the multiple shows.
We have one show that's basically ready to go, The Mysteries Show.
You're going to love it.
We have awesome art for it already and great stories.
And it'll be really, really great.
Zappler says, Tim, I completely agree with you about creating new culture.
I'm working on releasing a new novel about vampire hunters called Wilting Blood that is both entertaining while also promoting good values.
Early reactions are positive.
Really, really cool.
ian crossland
Cool name.
lydia smith
Good to hear.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
bill ottman
We'll try and grab some of these That person should look into the critical theory that was embedded into Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which is a very real thing.
The creators of Buffy the Vampire Slayer were, you know, thinking about... The TV show?
Yes, yes.
The creators were, you know, embedded that narrative inside, yeah.
libby emmons
I've watched that whole thing twice.
tim pool
6.8 says, Tim, you need a FOIA task force to pry the info out of these a-holes.
Props, man, you're the new Glenn Beck.
Well, Glenn Beck's still around.
But, you know, I was talking about this, how many people in media are taking their resources and building and trying to grow a network.
And, uh, Glenn Beck is like, he's the guy doing that, and then I'm like, we're doing that too, so I understand what you're saying.
You're right about the FOIA task force.
We already have two legal filings in for two different 501c3s.
The one thing I will say is a 501c3 can't do political journalism, because they're not allowed to engage in political, like, campaigning stuff.
But we're planning on doing fact-checking and Investigatory journalism through the nonprofit.
We're also filing the the open networking nonprofit Which is going to create open source networking tools so that people can't be banned anymore utilizing the Fediverse I'm sure all of the wackos who use the Fediverse are very happy to hear that All right Rick Howell says Red, blue, right, left are labels like man and woman.
All can be generally defined and generally true, but all have exceptions and corner cases.
Arguing the exceptions is valid, but often not worthwhile.
Interesting.
lydia smith
He could be splitting hairs.
unidentified
Alright, let's see.
tim pool
Blue C says, Ian, yes, there are now two sides.
There is no middle.
Ask Cubans and Venezuelans.
ian crossland
But why only two?
That's my question.
Why not 700,000, you know?
tim pool
Because the cult is massive.
ian crossland
The cult is massive.
tim pool
There's the cult and then the not-cult.
ian crossland
Okay, now that's a different situation than two sides.
That's a big problem that's out there that we should all focus on.
But that doesn't mean that it's a side of an equation.
tim pool
But it is.
So like, the cult is the Borg.
And then you have the Federation, the Romulans, the Cardassians, and the Klingons.
And they really don't get along all that much.
But when the Borg comes around, it's like, oh man, that's a big problem for everybody.
Maybe the Cardassians weren't a good... The Dominion weren't so worried about the Borg, were they?
libby emmons
No, the Dominion was a force that united the other sides.
tim pool
Right.
So that's a better, yeah, good point.
The cult is the Dominion in Deep Space Nine, and they were shapeshifting, massive empire, and they were basically like, the Federation was losing.
libby emmons
Well, the shapeshifters were in charge, and then they had all of their Dominion, their minions.
tim pool
And so the Federation was losing, and on the verge of collapse, the Romulans refused to get involved.
The Romulans hate the Federation, but then they eventually, you know, Cisco effectively tricked them.
Well, it was a great episode where he got the Romulans to join the side.
But anyway, that's that's the point.
Like, whatever this side is, it's comprised of a bunch of small different factions with the Republican Party probably as one of the biggest components of it.
But I can't stand the Republican Party for the most part.
But there are a lot of people like me who are probably left liberal politically, who think the cult is a dangerous, destructive Borg force that needs to be stopped.
So, I'm willing to vote for Donald Trump, who says, I'm going to stop these things specifically, and promote values that will prohibit this in the future, and I'm like, we need to stop this.
So, you know, in the primary, two years ago, I was like, Yang and Tulsi, I was, Yang had a huge list of proposals, it was brilliant.
Like, he went through policy like no one I've ever seen.
Too many of these people just bend the knee to the Borg, as soon as it comes down to it.
So, all right, we'll just grab a couple, we'll just grab a couple more here.
Because we got to do the member segment.
All right, let's see.
People are mentioning, uh, illegal immigrants.
D. C. Lenmaji.
C. Lenmagi.
Ian, your optimism is admirable.
We will not fix the cult if peace is what we're after.
Then fine, accept division and secession to save the sovereignty of individuals somewhere.
War will always be human.
ian crossland
That was a powerful super shot.
tim pool
Michael Rutherford says, I'm a leftist, and it's hilarious since we are saying the same thing about you guys, that you have all been radicalized and need deprogramming.
And that's the point.
We're objectively correct in that.
ian crossland
Well, I don't think either of us are correct.
tim pool
We are.
We're quite literally correct.
When I can do research and look into the Ukraine meddling and the corrupt actions of Joe Biden, and then look into the Russia stuff and be like, hmm, It seems like Donald Trump is an asshole.
He's got bad mannerisms, but he's not a racist.
He won civil rights award.
He's an old man who's lewd and lascivious.
I can accept all of those things because I looked into it.
Joe Biden has a magazine article from Politico called Biden Inc.
that maps the corruption of his family.
And then they delete the news articles from Twitter, proving that the son's laptop Proving that Hunter Biden's laptop had all this stuff on it, and that he was doing crack with hookers, and that Joe Biden was meeting with him, and then Tony Bobulinski comes out and says Biden was the big man who was getting cut in on the deal, and I'm like, all those things happened, and all the news is there.
And then they come out and say, but you're in a cult.
Yo!
I've been saying the entire time, I get into an Uber, and they're like, man, Trump is an asshole, isn't he?
I wish he didn't talk the way he did.
But Hillary Clinton?
She's evil.
Yes.
There are a lot of people who are like... I'll put it this way.
Trump has his cult.
It's really small.
They have no influence and no institutional power.
So when the media highlights the fringe as the boogeyman and says, the alt-right... Vox wrote an article saying the alt-right could be as large as, you know, 40 million people or something like that.
libby emmons
Like some insane number.
NBC wrote a story, it was Brandy Zdrozny, wrote a story in the spring about how the lack of white supremacists at white supremacy rallies was evidence of how deep-seated white supremacy is in the United States.
That there weren't white supremacists there was the evidence.
bill ottman
No, but honestly, that super chat is amazing because that's someone calling themselves a leftist
willing to throw up a few bucks to say that. And like, yeah, it is true that they're using the
cult word as well. But I think that it's pretty clearly. Is it radicalization to be like,
tim pool
the founding fathers were right. The basis of our country.
That's racist. The basis of this country that's been around for 250 years that we learn in
history class and it is regular American culture is not radicalization in any sense of the
imagination.
ian crossland
The radicalization is not the media, because this is media.
This is the media as well.
tim pool
It's the people who are cheering for rule by decree and forced medication on the American population.
ian crossland
I think it's the media that's brainwashing those people.
Yes, is the focus not the people that are getting brainwashed all of their they end up yelling. They're guilty to social
tim pool
media and Establishment media. Yeah. Yep
libby emmons
Now it is but these are all individuals who have to make their own
Determinations and decisions and are responsible for their own views and their own actions. So final thought before we
tim pool
wrap up. I will say this The point I was making earlier about when the conflict comes.
These people genuinely believe that we have all been radicalized.
That when I have Vosh, a socialist, on the show and give him space to speak, I'm somehow radicalized.
Yet other leftists won't come on the show at all.
You want to talk about radicalization?
It's that the only leftists who beg to come on the show are the ones who do drama bait and complain about, like,
one guy is being roast, like, you know, I'm not going to name any of those people.
bill ottman
I'm going to find one. I'm going to find a really good one.
I'm going to help out with that mission.
libby emmons
I have that in my head, too.
tim pool
Here's the problem. I'll tell you this.
ian crossland
us.
tim pool
On the right, there are people with millions of followers, hundreds of thousands of influence, in the intellectual dark web.
There are people who are moderate or progressive of influence.
They're all willing to have a conversation in some capacity.
On the left, the high-profile people, in a cult, won't do it.
But the low-profile people, desperate to build up followings, will beg to come on any platform that will have them.
So there's the issue.
bill ottman
So is there a subscriber threshold that you're looking for or a certain... Influence.
tim pool
Like mattering in the conversation.
So would it make sense if I went to a local DSA meeting and found a guy and been like, we'll put you on the show, I guess.
You're the best we could do.
You know, I want someone who they're like, this guy said these things that have an impact on the culture.
And I want those ideas to be challenged and debated.
Alex Jones is extremely influential.
Why won't anyone be like, I would gladly go on that show to do it?
There are some grifters who have a lot of followers, but their whole content base is drama.
We don't, we want, we want political conversations.
We don't want you smell bad and you're dumb.
And there are a lot of high profile people that do that.
libby emmons
Is that not discourse?
tim pool
I mean... Someone wanting to come on the show to just sabotage the show?
I can't.
libby emmons
No, obviously, I was making a joke.
tim pool
So, but this is how it's always been.
I have a video on my main channel from a long time ago when I was in Berkeley, and I was filming the street with my camera when, and talking to someone, when a woman forced herself in the conversation and started making a bunch of leftist points, so I turned with my camera and let her speak.
Then afterwards, I asked her some questions, And then, what I basically said was, a woman was attacked and she was off bloody.
And she goes, well, she deserved it.
You know, if she wants to come here wearing a MAGA hat, then she'll get attacked.
And I said, so you think that if a woman is wearing skimpy clothing and a man attacks her, she shouldn't have worn skimpy clothing?
And she goes, yeah.
And I was like, okay.
Five minutes later, I turn the camera off, I have the recording.
She walks over and goes, don't use any of that.
Don't put that anywhere.
And I was like, I was standing here and you started saying things to me.
I have the footage.
She's like, no, you can't use that.
They don't want their ideas.
They're scared that if they say the wrong thing, they'll get attacked.
The left will come for them because it's a cult.
Meanwhile, I can come out and argue with Glenn Beck on his show about why I'm pro-choice, and it ends with us shrugging, shaking hands, and saying, that was a really great conversation.
Thank you so much.
You don't get that on the left.
They throw eggs at you.
They scream racial slurs at people.
libby emmons
While wearing gorilla masks.
tim pool
While wearing gorilla masks, they throw eggs at a black man and claim they're not the racist.
We'll wrap it up there.
I want to make sure we get that member segment up for you guys.
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bill ottman
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tim pool
Get a contest.
bill ottman
Mines.com slash mobile.
We got Mines token battle going right now.
Next person to a thousand, five thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand subs So 100,000 subs gets 10,000 tokens, you know, and proportionally.
tim pool
So if you're new to the platform and you get 1,000 followers, do you get 100 tokens?
bill ottman
Not everybody.
The next person.
The next person.
So there's one winner for each right now.
We're going to keep doing this.
tim pool
100 tokens is like 200 bucks.
bill ottman
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, that's cool.
So I'm like 20k away from 200,000 followers on MindToken.
Do it.
And it's 20,000 tokens?
bill ottman
Yeah.
tim pool
That's like 40 grand.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Subscribe to Tim on Mines.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
bill ottman
Sargon's fighting you.
tim pool
Is he actively getting followers?
bill ottman
He's aware.
tim pool
He's aware, huh?
Mines.com slash Timcast.
$40,000.
We could hire somebody with that.
lydia smith
We sure could.
tim pool
Just hire somebody.
$40,000 for the year to do something, I guess.
ian crossland
Full stack.
tim pool
Libby, you want to shout something out?
Not for $40,000 a year, though.
libby emmons
Hey, well, you could follow me on Mines, apparently.
Oh.
I have it.
I keep forgetting my password, but I'm going to nail that at some point.
My name's Libby Emmons.
I'm on Twitter at Libby Emmons, and I'm at the Postmillennial every day.
ian crossland
I am Ian Crossland, and you are sovereign.
lydia smith
Oh, this is good to know.
I will say before we go that I appreciate Ian's concept of not trying to divide people into groups, but I will say that there comes a point when people are dividing you against them and you don't have a choice anymore.
And if they're putting you into a group like unvaccinated or in my instance it would be something like pro-life, something they will really come after me for, I don't have a choice.
We're not on the same team.
It's unfortunate, but it's the way it is.
Anyway, for more hot takes like that, you guys are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids.
I'm only 2,000 away from outstripping Sour Patch Kids.
That's my only goal in life, so please follow me there.
That's a big one.
tim pool
I'll give one final shout out to Michael Rutherford, who responded, saying, Tim, you are just as delusional as the people you hate.
I would say that I don't hate 99.999% of people.
There are journalists who work for websites like BuzzFeed and Vox and the Daily Beast and Slate who are evil people, who make things up and lie.
Now, as for the delusional thing, I'll tell you this.
When Micah Brzezinski goes on her show and says, our job is to tell people what to think, you can think whatever you want about what she said, sure.
When I can read a story from Politico that says Ukraine scrambles after aiding the Democrats in the 2016 election, and then later writes another article saying there was no meddling from Ukraine in the election, I have to wonder why Politico didn't just retract the first article and how both things can be true.
When you have four years of Russiagate that I accepted in the press and said, wow, look at this evidence.
I actually met with a very high profile journalist who told me all this stuff.
And I was like, man, it sounds like Trump did this.
And then the news comes out.
It didn't happen.
It was bunk.
It was a witch hunt, all that stuff.
The FBI report says no.
When the FBI comes out and says there was no coordinated insurrection and there was no plan, I got to say, how many times are you willing to be wrong?
Or is the fact is you don't actually research anything.
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