Aug. 20, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| you InfoWars reporter Owen Schroer just announced that the FBI | ||
| has issued a warrant for his arrest because apparently he was standing | ||
| on the steps during the January 6 riots. | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| BuzzFeed has a report on it and apparently someone tipped off the feds and now he's got to turn himself in on Monday. | ||
| So we'll go through that story. | ||
| And at the same time, we have a report from the FBI basically debunking the whole insurrection narrative. | ||
| They said none of it was planned, no coordination, Trump did not coordinate or plan it, yet we still see what I think it's like 570 people have been arrested and charged. | ||
| The charges are pretty intense, but we'll go through all that stuff with that story, and then we've got to talk about these vaccine mandates. | ||
| In Australia, they have imprisoned a man for eight months because he was organizing a protest. | ||
| It's draconian. | ||
| And it's here. | ||
| And then we got New York. | ||
| And what New York is doing is shocking. | ||
| The New York mandate, for those of you that have listened to this show for the past week, it's going to require businesses to fire any employee with a disability, barring them from vaccination. | ||
| This is a shockingly draconian measure. | ||
| So we're gonna, we'll talk about all that. | ||
| We're being joined by the Mises guys. | ||
| Got Dave, well do you guys want to just introduce yourselves? | ||
| I'll just throw it to you guys. | ||
| Sure, absolutely. | ||
| I'm Dave Smith and this is the chair and founder of the Mises Caucus, the great Michael Heiss. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| And I have to give a shout-out. | ||
| I know he's not here, obviously, but I gotta give a shout-out today. | ||
| It's actually Ron Paul's 86th birthday. | ||
| Happy birthday, Ron! | ||
| We're big fans. | ||
| We have his picture still taped to the door, I think, don't we? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| So we, when it was Christmas, Luke came here and he put Ron Paul on the top of our tree because he's both a star and an angel. | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| And then with the tree down, Luke just taped Ron Paul to like one of the doors in the house. | ||
| He's been there for almost a year now. | ||
| Can I tell you, Matt? | ||
| We're fans, so. | ||
| Happy birthday to the great Ron Paul. | ||
| And what I love so much about Ron Paul is just, like, you know, I know you like to share, and it is hilarious and accurate, but that meme of the libertarian ideas and libertarian candidates. | ||
| But then, even for all the people, like all the right-wingers who, like, will come on this show and other shows and kind of, you know, be like, well, the libertarians get this wrong and they get this wrong. | ||
| And then you're like, OK, now do Ron Paul. | ||
| And you're like, oh, yeah, you know what? That guy was right about everything. He was literally, | ||
| as we're in this country that's on a suicide mission, all the things that are killing the | ||
| country. Ron Paul was completely right about the wars, the debt, the currency being destroyed, | ||
| the militarization of the police, the entire war on terrorism. And also, by the way, he was right | ||
| about covid and the lockdowns and all of that from day one. | ||
| People were mocking him when he called the whole thing a hoax and just an excuse for government authoritarianism. | ||
| You mean the lockdowns a hoax? | ||
| The lockdowns, yes. | ||
| That the whole COVID regime, this whole justification for all of these draconian measures. | ||
| To clarify for Draconian YouTube, COVID is serious. | ||
| You're saying that... COVID is a very nasty virus. | ||
| All of the government responses have been horrendous and stupid and done nothing to mitigate the virus. | ||
| But just to say that, that is basically what the Mises caucus is about, is that we represent that wing of libertarianism, the Ron Paul, real libertarianism, serious, not defending Dumb woke stuff, not defending silly corporatism and stuff like that. | ||
| The real tradition of Mises, Rothbard, and Ron Paul. | ||
| Did you see Jack Dorsey tweeted Rothbard? | ||
| I sure did. | ||
| I sure did, Tim. | ||
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What was that? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I think he's just trying to break my brain and confuse me. | ||
| Anatomy of the State, right? | ||
| Yeah, that's the pamphlet. | ||
| Which is, by the way, go read Anatomy of the State if you haven't. | ||
| It's the most powerful 60-page essay pamphlet you'll ever read in your life. | ||
| I thought that was hilarious, because all the libertarians were tweeting like a nuke had dropped. | ||
| Jack Dorsey of Twitter, this woke... He just tweeted it! | ||
| He just tweeted it! | ||
| Well, from what I hear, he's gotten real into Bitcoin and stuff, and so maybe he's going down this rabbit hole. | ||
| So, Jack, if you're listening, thank you for tweeting that, and stop kicking people off your platform. | ||
| He doesn't own it anymore. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| He's like 6% or 2% of the company now. | ||
| So that's when they start figuring out stuff. | ||
| He's an example of a free market and cap Bitcoin enthusiast technologist that got co-opted by the corporate state because they took it. | ||
| They took him. | ||
| They paid a bunch of money. | ||
| Then they took his company. | ||
| They bought his company from him. | ||
| Now they use his face to try and sell the brand. | ||
| Well, I also wouldn't be surprised. | ||
| I think they basically, not so implicitly, threatened all of the big tech, you know, guys. | ||
| And that's, like, the truth is that if you look back at the, you know, social media scene in 2015, 2016, as we all remember, it was the Wild Wild West. | ||
| And I mean that as a libertarian as the highest compliment. | ||
| Wild Wild West was the greatest time in the history of the world. | ||
| And so you remember there were people out there who would just be like even really bad | ||
| people who you probably wouldn't want to hear from. | ||
| But they were just out there advocating their views. | ||
| No one was getting booted off. | ||
| It was a completely free for all free speech zone. | ||
| And then what happened was, you know, Donald Trump won and the corporate press needed some | ||
| narrative as to why this would happen. | ||
| It couldn't be because Hillary Clinton was just such a transparently awful person. | ||
| It had to be because of fake news on social media. | ||
| And they dragged him in front of Congress and basically, mafia style, threatened all of them. | ||
| Like, what are you going to do to crack down on this fake news? | ||
| They had a huge influence in creating this censorship environment, which is awful. | ||
| Well, we'll get into all that stuff. | ||
| And, you know, Ian's chilling. | ||
| You've already heard from him. | ||
| You know how it is. | ||
| Sup dudes. | ||
| In 2007, I remember Obama and Ron Paul very serious to me. | ||
| I took both serious, but I was afraid Ron Paul was going to be like Darth Vader. | ||
| I kept getting this weird feeling like this is Darth. | ||
| If he gets into office, he's going to be like Darth Vader. | ||
| And I know what that meant, but it was like he was going to bring great balance to the force. | ||
| And what did that mean in modern day? | ||
| He probably would have repealed the Federal Reserve Act. | ||
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I don't know about that. | |
| That would make him Darth Vader. | ||
| That would completely upset our monetary system. | ||
| I'd imagine Darth Vader the one being proposing the central bank for the Galactic Empire. | ||
| I was afraid of him and I was like, Obama's the hero, I'm going with Obama. | ||
| Ron Paul makes me afraid. | ||
| Probably because he would have ruptured this crap system early rather than let it get to where it's gotten. | ||
| I would imagine. | ||
| Well, interesting. | ||
| But I think that's the myth. | ||
| I mean, the truth is that Obama is really the one. | ||
| I mean, it's George W. Bush's fault, but Obama bears so much of the blame for ruining the country because Obama was the one who was voted in as a counter to George W. Bush. | ||
| Like the country rejected George W. Bush. | ||
| So we went, OK, we're going to go all the way over with this very progressive constitutional lawyer, progressive named Barack Hussein Obama. | ||
| That's how much we hate George W. Bush. | ||
| And he doubled down on Bush's policies. | ||
| Brought the war in Afghanistan and Iraq to Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen. | ||
| And that really, coupled with the record high spending, is what broke the whole system. | ||
| So whatever fear you have of Ron Paul, Obama's what left us with all of this. | ||
| We'll get into all that. | ||
| We got Lydia pressing buttons. | ||
| I'm also sitting in the corner. | ||
| I can already tell it's going to be a great conversation. | ||
| I'm delighted as ever to have Dave Smith. | ||
| I'm going to apologize. | ||
| I'm coming in hot. | ||
| It's Ron Hall's birthday. | ||
| I'm not even letting intros get out here. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| We got this. | ||
| When Jack tweeted that, I sent it immediately to Dave, and I was like, oh my gosh, look at this. | ||
| What the heck's going on? | ||
| Luke tweeted. | ||
| I was like, what the? | ||
| It's happening! | ||
| That is how I saw it, is that you sent it to me and I went, that's got to be like a fake picture or something. | ||
| Right, he got hacked. | ||
| I clicked on that and was like, wait, seriously? | ||
| Yeah, Rothbard. | ||
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| We've got to get through these intros. | ||
| Let's talk about this first story real quick. | ||
| Just because this one was kind of big when it dropped only a couple hours ago. | ||
| BuzzFeed News reports InfoWars host Owen Schroer has been charged in the January 6th riots. | ||
| They say, in a new complaint filed on Friday, the U.S. | ||
| Attorney's Office in Washington charged Schroer with illegally going into a restricted area on the Capitol grounds and disorderly conduct. | ||
| He's one of the highest-profile right-wing media personalities to be prosecuted in connection with the insurrection so far. | ||
| I love that BuzzFeed calls it an insurrection, considering the FBI just came out and said it basically wasn't, but sure. | ||
| They mentioned that he's based in Texas. | ||
| He had been photographed on a stage outside the Capitol with Alex Jones, and the FBI said it received an anonymous tip from someone noting other video that appeared to show Schreuer at the top of a set of stairs on the east side of the Capitol. | ||
| Jones has not been charged. | ||
| So this is what's interesting right now. | ||
| I mean, It could potentially mean Alex Jones. | ||
| There's a lot of higher profile people. | ||
| I bet the FBI was waiting because if they go for the really high profile people, it could be a shock to the system. | ||
| So it looks like they're starting with Owen Schroer, I suppose, and they may start going for other people. | ||
| And he didn't take any. | ||
| He didn't even take any selfies. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No selfies. | ||
| You know, what's the point then, you know? | ||
| I don't know about you guys, I don't want to live in a society where just anyone can | ||
| walk up on some steps and not face 30 years in prison. | ||
| I mean, come on, we gotta clean this up. | ||
| 30? | ||
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No, I'm just, I hope not. | |
| 50? | ||
| Geez. | ||
| That's a, it is, it really is, it's no joke what the state will do when they want to crack | ||
| down on someone. | ||
| Like, you know, I was saying this back when they had that Chaz thing in Seattle, when they were playing this little game. | ||
| And they did the little one in New York for a little bit, too. | ||
| And I was just saying, I was like, listen, you lefties can have your fun building your little thing and then you'll probably abandon it in a few weeks, you know. | ||
| But don't get it twisted. | ||
| If the government is letting you do this because it's it suits their agenda right now if they | ||
| didn't want you to do this they will wake oh you and lose no sleep over it okay so that's | ||
| what people need to understand and that's I think what a lot of people at January 6th | ||
| did not understand they thought it's ah this is funny I'll go in here I'll fart on Nancy | ||
| Pelosi's desk or whatever now the people calling it an insurrection are just this is laughably | ||
| stupid a coup attempt laughably stupid but it is also really stupid to go in there and | ||
| think haha selfie while i'm farting on nancy pelosi's desk Like, haha, you're going to do 40 years in prison now. | ||
| You just went up and slapped in the face the most powerful government in human history. | ||
| What do you think they do to people? | ||
| Like, what do you think? | ||
| They'll do this to everyone in the Middle East, but they won't mess with you? | ||
| That's why it's important to understand what the nature of government is. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's not just some service provider that we change the clothes on and you might get some left wing service providing over here and some right wing service. | ||
| It's force. | ||
| Well, that's exactly right. | ||
| Michael's exactly right. | ||
| They had this mythology of like, well, what? | ||
| This is the people's house. | ||
| Like I was saying before. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's the war criminal's house. | ||
| This house don't belong to you. | ||
| And this isn't even like a fringe concept. | ||
| This is George Washington. | ||
| George Washington said the government was forced. | ||
| What was I saying earlier? | ||
| I was saying something like the way they view this country. | ||
| I was talking about Afghanistan. | ||
| The way that the establishment views this country is not as a nation on founding principles of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the Bill of Rights. | ||
| It's this is where we can test weapons and then run our companies to go and extort other countries and invade. | ||
| And so we as Americans, A lot. | ||
| And even many, like, traditional Democrats. | ||
| I don't know about today. | ||
| It's getting kind of crazy out there. | ||
| But up on, like, when the Afghan war started, you had Democrats and Republicans who mostly view this country as the history of the Founding Fathers and World War II and civil rights. | ||
| But the people running these companies, they don't see this country that way. | ||
| They don't know. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They're like, this is just our hub for militarism. | ||
| And then they run their companies here and they go to other places and do their thing. | ||
| But there's something interesting in that, uh, you know, just downstairs we were talking, I've got these, these Utah gold back things I bought off the internet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're like, it's like a gold foil, you know, one, one thousandth of an ounce. | ||
| And, uh, one of, one of our friends mentioned that the constitution says that gold and silver are the only currency. | ||
| Is that, is that true? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they've never amended that. | ||
| Yes, and also that states can make legal tender that is gold and silver, but nothing else. | ||
| But yes, that's right. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it defines it as an actual measure of a certain amount of grains of gold or silver. | ||
| Well, I don't know if that's actually in the Constitution, but that was common parlance at the time, was that yes, that's what a dollar meant. | ||
| But yeah, the Constitution absolutely defines legal tender as gold and silver. | ||
| And that never changed. | ||
| Oh yeah, Article 1, Section 10. | ||
| No state shall coin money, emit bills of credit, make anything but gold and silver a tender in payment of debts. | ||
| That means that the only constitutionally valid forms of money are gold and silver. | ||
| Oh, they're debunking it. | ||
| They're saying it's a myth. | ||
| Is that a myth? | ||
| Anything that restrains government is a myth. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, there's certainly I'm sure like with everything in the Constitution, there'll be people who interpret it in different ways. | ||
| But look, Richard Nixon, when he took us off the gold standard in 71, he said it was a temporary measure. | ||
| He said he had temporarily closed the convertibility from dollars into gold, which was the ultimate default and violation of a contractual agreement between the world. | ||
| I mean, we were on we were on an agreement in the Bretton Woods agreement that dollars were Do you want to break down the Bretton Woods Agreement? | ||
| them that they were notes that you were represented you were holding gold. | ||
| And just like most temporary government programs it's should end any day now. | ||
| Do you want to break down the Bretton Woods agreement. | ||
| What that was. Sure. | ||
| Well, the Bretton Woods Agreement was coming out of World War II. | ||
| Basically, all the other industrial powers had been destroyed, and the United States had the vast majority of the gold reserves. | ||
| And so we basically made a deal with the rest of the nations that if they took our dollars as their reserve currency, then we would back our dollars up by gold at $35 an ounce. | ||
| And so basically they were on a gold standard, because they were on a dollar standard. | ||
| And then, in the 60s, we really started cheating. | ||
| We fought the war in Vietnam. | ||
| We put a man on the moon. | ||
| We launched the entitlement state. | ||
| We were spending like crazy. | ||
| And they called our bluff. | ||
| And they said, OK, no, I don't think you have this much gold. | ||
| We're going to turn in our dollars for gold. | ||
| And then Nixon said, oh, no, we're suspending the credit convertibility because they called our bluff because we cheated. | ||
| We were acting like a bank. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Like the worst type of bank. | ||
| Like a reckless bank. | ||
| Didn't actually have the money. | ||
| And then, you know it's funny, because then we go off the gold standard in 1971 and it's officially fiat currency, even though, like I said, we were cheating already in the 60s, right? | ||
| But we go off the gold standard in the early 70s. | ||
| And sometimes even really good progressives, like Bernie Sanders, well, you know. | ||
| And good progressives will say things where they'll be like, you know, like the average wages have been so stagnant since right about the 70s. | ||
| And the rich have been getting so much richer since right about the 70s. | ||
| You know, the cost of everything has gotten out of control since right about the 70s. | ||
| And you know what happened? | ||
| Greed! | ||
| You know, they never have an answer for what it is. | ||
| But what happened is that we removed any restraints from the government to print as much money as they want. | ||
| And this is where you've seen the true rise of gigantic government, endless wars, corporate bailouts, and also Wall Street. | ||
| Now, Wall Street was not a place where people were making insane amounts of money like this, like, at least on the level since then. | ||
| That really started in the 80s, the Gordon Gekko generation. | ||
| This is what happened when you had this funny money that people can just play and speculate with. | ||
| So let's rope this back to what the government is. | ||
| So, you know, we're talking about Owen Schroer, January 6, and the potential that the government might go after people. | ||
| But we also have this story from Reuters. | ||
| FBI finds scant evidence of U.S. | ||
| Capitol attack was coordinated. | ||
| So they basically go through it and they say, nobody. | ||
| Uh, they say that it was not centrally coordinated by far right groups, prominent supporters of Trump, according to their sources were either directly involved or briefed regularly on the wide ranging investigations. | ||
| I got a text message from someone running against Lauren Boebert. | ||
| And what do you think they, they told me they were for as to why I should give them money? | ||
| I got a text message that said, hey, my name is so-and-so, and this is why you should vote for me. | ||
| Not like a personal text message, like a mass text message? | ||
| I mean, it's a campaign text message. | ||
| Right, right, but I'm saying not like someone knew you on the campaign text that you wrote. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So they got my number from a registry or something. | ||
| They are running against Lauren Boebert, and what do you think their... They thought to themselves, I have one text message to send this guy. | ||
| Here's what I need to say to get him to give me money. | ||
| What do you think that one thing was? | ||
| I really hope it was getting back on the gold standard, but I know that's not going to be the answer. | ||
| Stopping Lauren Boebert. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Marjorie Taylor Greene's accomplice, Lauren Boebert, is being charred, is being investigated, and we're going to stop her. | ||
| And I'm like, you're not for anything. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| I was like, you want me to donate because you don't like Lauren Boebert? | ||
| That's not something to vote for. | ||
| And so I bring that up because what they've been doing with the media and the Democrats with January 6th is trying to create some reason you'd vote for them. | ||
| Negative partisanship. | ||
| They don't really have anything. | ||
| That's like if there's a flood and everyone's trying to find a leader to help us through this great flood that's destroyed so much land and people are running and they're like, vote for me because I hate floods. | ||
| Floods are bad. | ||
| I'm going to stop the floods. | ||
| It's worse than that. | ||
| You're like, come on. | ||
| It's worse than that. | ||
| Give me some tech. | ||
| There's a flood and there's a boating company and the guy says, vote for me because that boating guy, it's his fault and I hate him. | ||
| And you're like, what do you know about the flood? | ||
| Hey, hey, hey, hey, we're dealing with hating right now. | ||
| Well, part of it, I think a huge part of it is that what can they really say? | ||
| This is why Hillary Clinton's entire campaign against Donald Trump was, look how awful Donald Trump is. | ||
| Because what else could she say? | ||
| I mean, could she sit there to the American people and say, well, look, I gave you guys Iraq. | ||
| I mean, I gave you guys Libya. | ||
| I gave you guys banker bailouts. | ||
| I mean, what are you not happy with? | ||
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Right. | |
| So they knew Trump only exists because people were so furious about what they had been given by the Clintons in the bushes and Obama. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they can't. | ||
| So the only play they have is to tell you that this Like, uprising against the establishment is so ugly and awful. | ||
| Look, the worst thing ever is January 6th. | ||
| Not the country being completely sold out by the ruling elite. | ||
| That's not the problem. | ||
| The problem is the people furious about it. | ||
| And, okay, sure, they might be furious about a thing that isn't exactly the right thing to be furious about. | ||
| Like, I don't know what happened in the election. | ||
| My base assumption is all elections are fraudulent, but I don't know what happened in the 2020 election. | ||
| If you just look in general why they got to this level of anger, it wasn't just one election. | ||
| It was a series of events, you know, that led to this. | ||
| I think Obama. | ||
| I remember 2008. | ||
| I remember seeing all of my friends screaming and foam coming out of their mouths, Obama! | ||
| I was in Chicago and I went down to Millennium Park or Grand Park, whatever they call it, | ||
| I don't know, the big park and they had this big screen and Obama's speaking and everyone's | ||
| screaming and cheering, there are people everywhere and they were like, Bush was nuts, he wasn't | ||
| our president, it was a victory through the Supreme Court, we were upset about it, finally | ||
| all of these wars are gonna end, this was a mistake, we shouldn't have gotten in these | ||
| wars, it's all over and then Obama goes, go to bomb a Pakistani village and that was like | ||
| one of the first orders he gave was to bomb, and then I remember seeing that and I was | ||
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just like oh here we go I guess Yeah. | |
| That was like, I don't remember how old I was. | ||
| I wasn't that old. | ||
| And I was just kind of like getting whacked in the face. | ||
| Because I was like, when I was a teenager, I was hanging out with all these punk anarchist types who are like, the system is broken. | ||
| It can never be fixed. | ||
| And then I was like, and then I got older and I'm like, hey, look, Obama, you know, he's doing something like this is going to be the chance to, like, have some normalcy. | ||
| And then he's just like, oh, I'm going to drop some bumps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he did. | ||
| And then I was like, these people are just all lying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He actually doubled down on the worst of the Bush policies. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He expanded the war in the Middle East. | ||
| He expanded it in the Middle East. | ||
| Expanded not only the wars drastically, and then also expanded the entire national security apparatus, created the spy... You know, we were upset during Bush about, like, warrantless wiretapping, and Obama was like, hold my beer, I'm collecting every piece of metadata on every American citizen. | ||
| And by every metric, by the spending, the wars, everything, he was worse. | ||
| The extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there was something even more devastating about it coming from the guy who was the reaction to Bush. | ||
| I mean, this is why, after Obama, you get Trump. | ||
| Because you have Bush, who everyone rejects. | ||
| Then the reaction against Bush within the system, everyone rejects too for being on the same page as Bush. | ||
| And then you're like, well, where do we go from here? | ||
| And they're telling you your options are Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton. | ||
| And then they heard the most powerful campaign statement ever. | ||
| When Donald Trump was on that debate stage, and it was Megyn Kelly, and she said, you've called women fat pigs, and he went, only Rosie O'Donnell! | ||
| And then everybody started cheering and screaming. | ||
| And I am joking, but there was something to that. | ||
| It was very powerful. | ||
| He had he had several that were very powerful. | ||
| And the reason why that one was so powerful is because he just went, I'm not playing your game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Circumvented the whole thing. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And what's you know, you touched on that politics is about being against the other. | ||
| What's scary about that is how pervasive it is, because, you know, you look at approval ratings for the media, super low approval ratings for politicians, super low. | ||
| And then people still keep Putting the incumbents back in. | ||
| It's like, how do you account for that? | ||
| How do you break that cycle? | ||
| Because obviously, the hate for the other is stronger than the disapproval for the status quo. | ||
| It's like, how do you deal with that? | ||
| Do you guys see that trans anarchist satanist who won the primary for the Republicans up in New Hampshire? | ||
| No, and I usually keep up with transatlantic satanists. | ||
| Arya, I think her name is. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it was a point that people just go in and hit R. They would walk in and go Republican, Republican, I don't care who. | ||
| And so you've got to know who you're voting for. | ||
| Don't vote for someone if you don't know who they are. | ||
| You can vote for the person you do like. | ||
| You know, we talked about this on the show, getting rid of the party affiliation on ballots, because then people would be like, I don't know. | ||
| And that's probably random is probably better than Tribal party line or another one they could adopt what we | ||
| do in the Libertarian Party, which is on every single election | ||
| There is none of the above is an option. Hmm. That would be nice. So the seat could be vacant | ||
| Yeah It could be vacant or, um, if there was nobody else running, basically somebody, we nominate X, you know, and you just kind of take it from the floor. | ||
| I would, I would love to end up with just like President Jimmy, just like some dude in the crowd. | ||
| Like, yeah, no. | ||
| And how about this dude? | ||
| And like, he just gives it a whirl. | ||
| Well, do you know what Demarchy is? | ||
| Rule at random. | ||
| Rule at random. | ||
| Yeah, so I remember I had an anarchist friend. | ||
| We were talking a lot about how this would work and like what it would be and the idea would be you'd get like Congress duty. | ||
| You'd be like, you'd come home from work. | ||
| You're all tired and you grab the mail and you go inside and you throw it down and then you see like official notice and you're like, oh, what is this? | ||
| And you open it. | ||
| It's like, you have been randomly selected for Congress duty. | ||
| You must report to DC. | ||
| Here is your stipend. | ||
| You're like, oh. | ||
| Honey, I got Congress duty. | ||
| Honey, can you make dinner tonight? | ||
| I'm a senator. | ||
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| I'll be home in six years. | ||
| Well, no, no, but it'll be for like two months. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It'll probably be the same thing like jury duty. | ||
| They would just go to whoever is controlling them and be like, I'm absolutely a racist. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, you don't want me. | ||
| It'd be the same as jury duty where you just don't respond and hope that they never enforce that rule. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| I don't do that. | ||
| Jury duty is different from Congress duty. | ||
| Congress duty is like you're an American with opinions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you know, it would be like you're here for six months. | ||
| You know, here's quick orientation. | ||
| And the idea is that a random person with a short term who's not going to profit off it doesn't want to be the person walking out and being like, I didn't start the war! | ||
| It wasn't me! | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, it's kind of a fun idea to play with, but I wouldn't really want to be governed that way. | ||
| How about we just tremendously reduce, if not eliminate, the role of the federal government and let people be free? | ||
| You don't want to just pick random people who know nothing about politics or governing or anything. | ||
| What about vacancies? | ||
| Like, what if you could, on a ballot, it would be like, Jane Doe, John Smith, and no one. | ||
| Like, elect a vacant seat. | ||
| And you could be like, I don't want anybody going to D.C. | ||
| on my name. | ||
| That I am all for. | ||
| Then it's just like Congress has just like less people there. | ||
| I think you could get a populist movement behind that, to be honest. | ||
| Just no one in Congress. | ||
| It's not the worst. | ||
| But the problem then is, you know, the reason it wouldn't work is because other people would be like, now's our chance. | ||
| And they like Democrats being like, if you do this and the Republicans have a majority, and if there's no one in Congress and the president is unrestrained. | ||
| So I got to admit, I think the system devised by the Founding Fathers is absolutely brilliant when you look at other countries especially. | ||
| Three branches doing different kind of things. | ||
| The problem is there was this conspiracy on Jekyll Island. | ||
| Federal Reserve emerged and all of a sudden nothing mattered anymore. | ||
| Well, there's that, but there's also the arguments. | ||
| People forget that there was a big argument as to whether or not we should even have a constitution. | ||
| And the anti-federalists, the people who are arguing against the constitution, pretty prescient. | ||
| I mean, their arguments, they said that this is going to become a king. | ||
| And through executive order, that is what has happened. | ||
| One of the problems, if you study Shays' Rebellion, which was after the Revolutionary War, the foreign powers wanted to get their debt back from the Americans for the war debt, but they wanted hard currency. | ||
| They wanted metal and gems. | ||
| They didn't want paper currency. | ||
| The farmers only made their money by bartering their food. | ||
| They didn't have anything. | ||
| So they normally paid their debts by printing paper and sending it off. | ||
| The merchants that basically controlled the state legislature were like, we need hard currency from these farmers because we need to pay our foreign debts. | ||
| Farmers were like, we don't have it. | ||
| So they started putting people in debtor's prison. | ||
| The farmers basically started going to the courthouses and standing outside with weapons blocking the judges from adjudicating. | ||
| So they couldn't be thrown in debtors prison, and it caused massive chaos. | ||
| The state couldn't get its local people to fight to stop it, so they had to send in state troops. | ||
| And they realized that without a constitution, without a centralized authority on taxes, each state would tax their own people individually and has the potential to cause massive chaos and disruption. | ||
| So it's better to have one authority controlling all the tax money. | ||
| Well, I mean, if your concern is debtor's prison, I mean, we still have debtor's prison. | ||
| It's just the IRS now that's enforcing it. | ||
| I mean, people do go to jail for not paying their taxes. | ||
| That is nothing more than a debt. | ||
| People also go to jail, by the way, for not paying child support. | ||
| I mean, there still are forms of debtor's prison. | ||
| I will say, though, I think a lot of people overhype the IRS. | ||
| Like, the IRS isn't going to lock you up if you owe money. | ||
| Well, that's true, but they'll ruin you. | ||
| But, I mean, So I know people who have run afoul of the IRS with their businesses to large sums of money and a guy showed up and said, look, here's what happened with your business. | ||
| And the guy was like, uh, I'm broke. | ||
| And they were like, what can you do? | ||
| And he's like, I mean, my shop's going under, we have no money. | ||
| And they were like, all right, well, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll circle back in a few months, see where you're at. | ||
| And maybe there's something you can do. | ||
| It's like the IRS didn't just show up and be like, cuff him boys. | ||
| Well, no, that's true. | ||
| I know that there's, yeah, but I also know people whose businesses have been destroyed by the IRS who have gone back 20 years on them. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, it's like, so that's not nothing. | ||
| I mean, look, destroying someone's business, as we've learned in the lockdowns, that's not a small thing. | ||
| These are the type of things that break up families, that lead to suicides, that lead to children being scarred. | ||
| I mean, it's a very serious thing. | ||
| And you're right, I mean, yes, there's not like a massive amount of people in jail for not paying their taxes, but if we want to really figure out this experiment, we could make all taxes voluntary tomorrow, and then we would really find out how many people pay them because they're scared of the threat of jail time. | ||
| And how many people pay them? | ||
| Because they don't! | ||
| And then we can figure it out. | ||
| So if it would be zero, then what you're conceding is that the reason people pay it is because they're scared of the threat of jail time. | ||
| Bro, bro, listen, listen. | ||
| There's a socialist magazine just fired all its staff because they're trying to form a union. | ||
| God, I love it. | ||
| We had the Young Turks. | ||
| The story came out last year. | ||
| Cenk Uygur was trying to union bust or whatever, was yelling at people. | ||
| You've got that Bernie Sanders-supporting woman. | ||
| Actually, she's right behind you, Nico Lowe. | ||
| She bought a million-dollar condo. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm not gonna drag the success of these individuals who are progressive. | ||
| But at the same time, I'll tell you this. | ||
| I'd be willing to bet those people would not pay taxes if they were given the choice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And they would say something like, well, this is the system we're in and I'm just, you know, living the way it's supposed to be. | |
| The fact that they can find a rationalization in their mind to be whatever I saw one of them where he's like wearing his like, you know, like eat the rich shirt or something like that. | ||
| And then they show his house. | ||
| Oh, that was Hassan today. | ||
| Yeah, like, you know, I mean, it's just like, come on, the idea that you can justify that | ||
| hypocrisy again, like you, I don't hate any of their success. | ||
| I actually admire it. | ||
| I don't agree with their politics, but I admire people who succeed in life. | ||
| And we should all be inspired by that and learn from that. | ||
| Hassan streams like 10 hours a day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so he's, I looked at his numbers and I'm like, I think he's probably making three, four mil. | ||
| I could be wrong, just an estimate. | ||
| And I got mad respect for that hustle. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| And I also don't mind someone being a progressive and believing in higher taxes and a welfare state and all that stuff and being rich. | ||
| So, but the funny thing about the Hassan situation, for those unfamiliar, he's like the biggest political streamer on the left probably. | ||
| He bought a $3 million house. | ||
| He's getting roasted by socialists. | ||
| So Breitbart wrote an article and they were like, you know, socialist streamer buys $3 million house. | ||
| And I'm like, I mean, it's a great story, I guess. | ||
| I don't see the criticism. | ||
| I don't know why I'd care. | ||
| He's not like advocating for people not to have houses or not be rich. | ||
| He's just very much for heavy taxation. | ||
| And I'm sure he's paying 50 to 60 percent taxes. | ||
| But the socialists are pissed off. | ||
| Are they threatening to eat him? | ||
| Um, they, they, they, there was a, they're, they're getting their, their bibs on and their | ||
| forks and they're like, no, no, they, they're defending him saying that like, there's a | ||
| big difference between Jeff Bezos and Hassan and all that stuff. | ||
| And I, that's, I get it. | ||
| I'm not going to strawman their argument. | ||
| Like there's a big difference between Jeff Bezos and a guy on Twitch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I, okay, fine. | ||
| But, you know, if you really have some perspective on the issue, to be someone who, you know, if you're worth $10 million, let's just say, for the sake of argument for this guy, which he's probably at least got a net worth of that much, right? | ||
| Let's say his net worth is $10 million. | ||
| If you have a net worth of $10 million in 2021 in a first world country, compared to all of the human beings who have ever existed throughout history, you are a level of rich that is Could, would be magic to 99.99% of human beings who have ever existed. | ||
| They just couldn't even conceive. | ||
| Kings? | ||
| Kings would have no, like no concept of the wealth that you have. | ||
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Bro. | |
| So to say, oh well I can compare him to Jeff Bezos and he's not as rich as that guy. | ||
| I mean like have some perspective. | ||
| You're talking about the rich. | ||
| You are amongst the most wealthy, privileged human beings who have ever existed in this like meaty flesh balls circling around the sun that we live | ||
| on. We went to a mall like two weeks ago and they have in when you walk in the center is this | ||
| like you know 200 foot tall dome with you know this beautiful glass and architecture and I looked | ||
| at it and I was like if a king from like the medieval world saw this he would say for what | ||
| god was this built. | ||
| And we'd be like, I'm just getting a mochaccino, dude. | ||
| I don't know about no gods. | ||
| Dude, if you could be a king in, like, the 1400s or be you in this house right now, I bet you would choose being you. | ||
| I got a toilet, dude! | ||
| You got a toilet. | ||
| If you get a headache, you got some Advil somewhere, I bet. | ||
| If you want to go downstairs, watch something, you go downstairs, you turn on the big screen TV. | ||
| If you were King, you'd have to go downstairs and have some dude, like, tell stories for you. | ||
| And then the stories might suck and you gotta kill that dude and find a new dude to tell you stories. | ||
| If you wanted to eat ice cream, they'd have to bring the ice block covered in sawdust And then walk it up and grab the salt and put it in the bowl with the cream and then like use the salt ice and you're sitting there being like, I'm gonna have ice cream soon. | ||
| And then it's just like bland, sweet, like not sweet. | ||
| It's brutal. | ||
| We've got ice cream downstairs that's made from fungus. | ||
| They genetically modified a fungus to make whey protein and it legit just tastes like regular ice cream but it's made from fungus. | ||
| Kings would not fathom a creation of such. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And it stank back then too. | ||
| They don't talk about it a lot because they were all, it was desensitized to the stink. | ||
| But like, if you go to Vietnam, the Vietnam soldiers came back from Vietnam. | ||
| They're like, the thing you notice the most is how bad it stinks in Vietnam. | ||
| It's hot, like hot and it stinks. | ||
| The point that you're touching on, though, is that, and I agree, is that fundamentally there is a difference between like a self-made millionaire that worked, you know, pulled themselves up from their boob strats and the corporatists. | ||
| The problem is, and I know this doesn't apply to like Jimmy Dore and like the better half of the progressives, but the left has become corporatists. | ||
| And that has been made very clear with these bailouts, or not, I'm sorry, not the bailouts, the lockdowns. | ||
| Because, you know, who made out on that? | ||
| And who's morally in support of the lockdowns? | ||
| The left. | ||
| Right. | ||
| isn't my thing with like the Hassan buying the big house. | ||
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| I'm like, I'm I'm glad he got a big house. I think it's | ||
| fantastic. And, you know, the socialists who are criticizing | ||
| or criticizing him for the wrong reasons. Criticize the dude | ||
| because he's an authoritarian. | ||
| You know, he's pro government mandate. Yeah. Criticize what's | ||
| wrong with his his policies. | ||
| Now, I think it's fair to criticize the hypocrisy of people saying, like, the rich need to pay their fair share, and it's so unfair that some people have so much and some people have so little. | ||
| If you're going to argue like that, if you're going to argue that employers should be paying their employees a higher wage, well, look, here's my thing, right? | ||
| If you're saying inequality is a moral outrage and you have a net worth of $10 million, well, you can Do something right now in the world for inequality by sharing a whole bunch of your money with other people. | ||
| And so if you don't, I do think there's a level of hypocrisy that can be criticized for keeping all of this for yourself, living this very comfortable life and then complaining that others don't share their wealth. | ||
| Let's break this down real quick as to what we're seeing. | ||
| Hassan Piker works really, really hard, and through his talent and his drive and his passion, he has become extremely successful and made a lot of money. | ||
| To him, he's like, I know I'm rich, but the real problem is that guy. | ||
| Below him are the socialists saying, you know, look, we're not wealthy, we're middle class, but that guy, and they're pointing at Hassan. | ||
| So what happens, you have this scale where the poor person with nothing is pointing to the middle class, saying, these people don't understand what they have. | ||
| The middle class people are pointing at Hassan, saying, oh, he's exploiting, he doesn't understand what he has. | ||
| Then people like Ethan Klein and Hassan are pointing at Bezos, being like, they're the real problem. | ||
| The point is, no matter where you are at, they're always pointing at someone who's wealthier than they are, saying they're the problem. | ||
| And someone in sub-Saharan Africa is like, you're all the problem! | ||
| I have nothing! | ||
| It's the folly of the anti-capitalistic mentality. | ||
| Yeah, well that's right, and I think to the point Michael was making before, that there is something that, and one of the worst parts I think about the last 20 years particularly, but really I guess you could say since Jekyll Island, but is that we have this crony corrupt system that we call capitalism. | ||
| And so of course people reject this because they do know on some level that this is unfair. | ||
| And it is unfair because the whole system is completely rigged by the powerful. | ||
| And of course that's true. | ||
| But it's rigged through primarily government policies, bought and paid for politicians, regulatory capture, a whole series, like an entire system that rigs the game. | ||
| And what Michael I think was saying is that there is a difference. | ||
| Somebody who is just successful in the market, who has nothing to do with government connections, they are, | ||
| whether you like the product that they're selling or not, the people buying it do. | ||
| That's why they're buying it. | ||
| They have made their wealth because they provide a product that people want more than their | ||
| money and so they're willing to voluntarily give their money up for that product. | ||
| The people who make their money because they have some type of government connection, some | ||
| type of regulatory capture, some type of bought off politician, they make their money because | ||
| people are forced to pay them for their product and that is unfair. | ||
| And in the same sense that we bomb Iraq and call it Operation Iraqi Freedom, well I wonder why no Iraqi is going to want to buy freedom? | ||
| anymore after that right the left has gotten away with calling corporatism or economic fascism capitalism for far too long and if they just dropped that they would find out that we're against it too there's a great example uh candace owens tweeted black rock is buying up houses and they're getting money from the government this is communism and then on reddit a bunch of progressives posted that and saying literally capitalism And I'm like, yo, you're both wrong. | ||
| The point pointing at the communist and being like the government giving private institutions | ||
| free money to manipulate and control the system is not communism. | ||
| And it's not capitalism. | ||
| It's fascism. | ||
| Well, and you can see where they each have enough of a rationalization to sell it amongst | ||
| their base, right? | ||
| Because so so if you just looked at the American system today, it's like, OK, well, Sean Hannity | ||
| Because so so if you just looked at the American system today, it's like, okay, well, Sean | ||
| Hannity can sell to his base that this is socialism because look how big the government is | ||
| can sell to his base that this is socialism because look how big the government is and | ||
| and look at the deficit and look at all of this, right? And look at the government | ||
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and look at the deficit and look at all of this, right, a rationalization to sell it amongst their base, right? | |
| involvement, right? So he can sell this as socialism. And then, of course, you know, whoever | ||
| MSNBC equivalent of that, you know, Rachel Maddow can sell it as this is capitalism because | ||
| look at the corporate profits and look at all right. So they they each have enough. But what we | ||
| really look at objectively, if you look at the whole picture here, this is not a battle between the | ||
| idea that there's a battle between big government and big business at this time, like, okay, | ||
| like we our government is what are Seven trillion dollars this year? | ||
| They're the biggest government that's ever existed in human history. | ||
| And look at the size of big corporations. | ||
| They're bigger than ever. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So clearly, big business loves big government, and big government loves big business. | ||
| This is one conglomerate at this point. | ||
| And what do you call that? | ||
| Because there is a term for it, and it's not socialism or capitalism. | ||
| That's fascism, Dave. | ||
| Economically. | ||
| The IRS, the International Internal Revenue Service, been around since the 1862. | ||
| Looks like, what's his name, Abe Lincoln created it probably to fund the war. | ||
| Fascist! | ||
| In 1914, there was like a revolution within the Internal Revenue Service. | ||
| Oddly, right after they formed the Federal Reserve, 1914, or right then when they were forming it, and they created the new income tax. | ||
| I would love to hear from you guys about the history of the IRS. | ||
| So all of this stuff was under the Woodrow Wilson administration, and yes, it's certainly not a coincidence that the year after they created the Federal Reserve, then it's like, OK, if this Fed's going to lend us our own money that we will now owe them back with interest, we're going to need a little bit of a stream of money coming in. | ||
| And the way the income tax was sold Was that it was only going to apply to the top top 1% of | ||
| people They sold this as a brick | ||
| This was during the progressive era as it was known and they sold this as a progressive measure | ||
| So this is don't even what listen this is gonna be something that's gonna be for the fat cats the robber barons | ||
| It's going to be like 2% of their income. | ||
| Like, we're going to take that and then we'll share it around with everybody and the rest of us will all be wealthier. | ||
| This is not going to apply to your average working Joe, of course. | ||
| They keep saying it. | ||
| They won't stop saying the same thing over and over and over again. | ||
| They're still, to this day, they still use the same. | ||
| But at the time, it was like, OK, so that's how they got the support and that's how they got it. | ||
| So we got the Federal Reserve in play. | ||
| We got the income tax in play. | ||
| And three years later, we're in a world war. | ||
| I mean, you know what the Federal Reserve really is doing? | ||
| It's just their legal way of reaching into your bank account and taking your money. | ||
| That's all they do. | ||
| Right, so as the great Ron Paul, happy birthday again, used to always say, right? | ||
| The real tax is spending. | ||
| The real tax is government spending. | ||
| Because when government spends money, what can they do? | ||
| Well, all they can do is they can either tax the money from you, Or they can borrow the money, which is just a promise to tax you in the future. | ||
| Or they can print the money, which is in effect just taxing you right now, or a little bit in the future, because it's just robbing the value of your dollar. | ||
| So when government spends a dollar, they've stolen a dollar from you. | ||
| Forget taxation is theft, government spending is theft. | ||
| And the reason, like, so when we got into World War I, was it 1917 we got into World War I? | ||
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| Okay, so just a few years after this. | ||
| Well, I know the plan for the income tax was just to be for the top 1%, and you weren't going to, but crisis. | ||
| World War. | ||
| So now everybody's going to have to pay taxes and we're going to have to increase the rates. | ||
| And then, you know, the crisis will be over soon, except then we have a Great Depression. | ||
| That's another crisis. | ||
| We have the Second World War. | ||
| That's another crisis. | ||
| And then, oh, by the way, this is just permanent government policy. | ||
| There is a fee for producing something. | ||
| Not only is there a fee for you having a job and being a productive member of society, but you lose any semblance of Fifth Amendment rights to not incriminate yourself. | ||
| You now have to incriminate yourself every year to the federal government because you are already presumed guilty, presumed a criminal, by your own government for the crime of being a productive member of society. | ||
| Yeah, and what's funny about that is they're supposed to issue a receipt on what your taxes go for, and of course, you know, you're under penalty if you don't comply, and there's absolutely no accountability for them if they don't. | ||
| So, and what you were saying as far as income taxes were never supposed to be for the average wage earner, you know, and then you also pointed out earlier that the suspending of gold was supposed to be temporary. | ||
| It's just that, it's that classic Harry Brown quote of there's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program. | ||
| Yeah, you let them have a little power, they're not giving it back easy. | ||
| What ends up happening when they start this is, it's just for the rich. | ||
| It's no big deal. | ||
| It won't affect you. | ||
| Well, it's an emergency, so everyone's going to pitch in. | ||
| Then it's, well, the emergency, we got another emergency. | ||
| Well, now it's another world war. | ||
| And then by the time it's, the crisis are finally calming down and you come out and say, okay, you're appealing this little bill. | ||
| You're appealing what? | ||
| Well, the taxes. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| The taxes have always been there. | ||
| Well, right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Nobody's got a problem with income tax. | ||
| You're far right. | ||
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| So 10 years ago, nine years ago, we kill Osama bin Laden. | ||
| Just just now we're pulling out of the war in Afghanistan. | ||
| So is it like, OK, well, goodbye, TSA. | ||
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TSA ain't going nowhere, man. | |
| That's the norm now. | ||
| You're used to that. | ||
| Don't ever believe. | ||
| The lesson here is don't ever believe they're 15 days to flatten the curve on anything because it's never that. | ||
| It's never temporary. | ||
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| Afghanistan was another one. | ||
| It was never supposed to be this What's AUMA? | ||
| war on terrorism or this 20 year thing is supposed to be to go and get the terrorists | ||
| that knocked down the Twin Towers. | ||
| Oh if you look at the AUMA, I mean the language of it was just to go get the people who knocked | ||
| down the Twin Towers. | ||
| What's AUMA? | ||
| The authorization. | ||
| AUMF. | ||
| The Authorization of Military Force. | ||
| So they didn't declare war. | ||
| Authorization for use of military force. | ||
| Authorization for use of military force. | ||
| Yeah, they didn't declare war. | ||
| They declared military force for a constrained mission, which was to go get Bin Laden and the terrorists. | ||
| And that's why, you know, Ron Paul actually voted for that because that's what it was supposed to be. | ||
| And then he also tried to issue letters of marquee and reprisal to basically hire mercenaries to help get these named people. | ||
| Bin Laden, his lieutenants, you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that didn't happen. | ||
| And then they took that inch and ran about 40, 50 miles with it. | ||
| Twenty years with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it should be noted that they had Osama bin Laden in, I think, November or December | ||
| of 2001 when they had him pinned in Tora Bora. | ||
| And they could have killed Osama bin Laden. | ||
| And they had forces over in Kabul fighting the Taliban. | ||
| They had forces in the north, Green Berets in the north that they didn't even call into | ||
| the action. | ||
| And the forces on the ground were saying, we need reinforcements right here. | ||
| We've got Osama bin Laden. | ||
| We could have killed Osama bin Laden in late 2001, been done with the whole thing, called | ||
| off the entire terror war. | ||
| And man, what a better world we're living in if that's what we do. | ||
| And instead, they allowed, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and I really, I'm just speculating but I lean toward intentionally on this, they allowed him to escape into Pakistan because I'll tell you, look, There's no question that a lot of the people, the forces on the ground were like, we can block off the Pakistan border right now and we can get Bin Laden. | ||
| This is easy if you just send us the reinforcements. | ||
| And they had specifically, the Bush administration, had not declared war on Al Qaeda. | ||
| They had not declared war on the people who did 9-11. | ||
| They had not even declared war on Afghanistan. | ||
| They declared war on terrorism. | ||
| on terror and they had already had plans to go into Iraq on the pretense that he was working with Osama bin Laden. | ||
| Now if you kill Osama bin Laden in December 2001, what really is the motivation to go into Iraq in all of | ||
| these other wars? | ||
| You'd probably lose it, but if he's still out there and he could be working with other people and he could be | ||
| plotting these things, then you've got 20 years of war. | ||
| You think if Hillary would have won we'd be in Iran? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think certainly you wouldn't have had the deal, or I'm sorry, if Hillary had won, I'm thinking 2008. | ||
| You're talking 2016? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if Hillary had won in 2016, I think it's likely she would have wanted to push for it. | ||
| The problem with the war in Iran is that no matter how many of the blood-soaked monster neocons, and I include Hillary Clinton in that list, won a war with Iran, The actual logistics of doing it are so bad that many people in the military are like, look, we just can't do a war with Iran. | ||
| Because Iran is a more serious adversary than any of the countries we've picked on in the Middle East right now. | ||
| They will slaughter U.S. | ||
| military members all around the Middle East. | ||
| I want to show people something real quick. | ||
| We have this map so you can understand. | ||
| A lot of people don't know the geography. | ||
| Iraq is just to the west of Iran and Afghanistan is to the east. | ||
| I don't believe it was a coincidence. | ||
| We said Iraq and Afghanistan. | ||
| What was in the middle and what did John Bolton say he wanted to do? | ||
| He said, this time next year we will be celebrating victory in Tehran. | ||
| We had a pincer attack on Iran, but Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan. | ||
| It is a mountainous, very well populated, armed, strong nation. | ||
| But they've wanted to go after Iran for a long time. | ||
| Oh, no question. | ||
| Did you ever see that video from, I think it was around 2003, 2005, you know, fact check me on that, of General Wesley Clark, where he was saying, prior to them going into Iraq, they were telling him, we're going into Iraq, and then the plan after that is to go into Venezuela, and ultimately Iran, and he named like four or five countries. | ||
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| Seven countries. | ||
| He also included Syria in that list, I think Sudan was in the list as well, yeah. | ||
| No, it didn't play out exactly like the plan that he mentioned, but there was certainly something to that. | ||
| And you watch that. | ||
| What did happen after 9-11 was wars all throughout the Middle East. | ||
| I mean, wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen. | ||
| They attempted Venezuela with Guaido. | ||
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| But not a war like we had in these other countries. | ||
| They want to put central banks in all these countries. | ||
| Well, they want to get in there, install the central banking system, get out. | ||
| And then we won. We've unified the world through economics. | ||
| Which goes back to what we were talking about before, is that one of the primary weapon here is debt. | ||
| Like students, debt. | ||
| Businesses with the lockdowns, debt. | ||
| You know, credit card debt. | ||
| Like everything is debt. | ||
| And they're getting us to keep feeding them with our productivity by ensnaring us in debt. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And that's, I'll just say, and don't buy, listen, don't buy their propaganda about this whole thing in Afghanistan. | ||
| And I hope that people can see through it. | ||
| Like, I'm not saying this isn't kind of ugly, Joe Biden's, you know, withdrawal from Afghanistan, and that there's not some, like, ugly aspects of it. | ||
| But just, like, take a step back, zoom out, and peep game. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, see what's going on here. | ||
| When CNN is saying, this is a nightmare, oh, this is a tragedy, Joe Biden, oh, what has he done? | ||
| I'm kind of like, wait a minute. | ||
| But here's what drives me crazy, right? | ||
| Is that I see these people like right-winger types. | ||
| Who, like, I agree with on some stuff, not on others, but I see Charlie Kirk tweeted something. | ||
| I think it was him. | ||
| He tweeted something where he goes, you know, CNN saying something and they go, he takes it as a dig on Biden. | ||
| He goes, man, when you've lost CNN, you're really doing bad. | ||
| It's like, no, Charlie Kirk, you got this game all wrong, man. | ||
| Why did he lose CNN? | ||
| Because he ended a freaking war. | ||
| That's why he lost CNN. | ||
| Did Obama lose CNN when he destroyed Libya? | ||
| Oh no, that wasn't a problem. | ||
| See, all of a sudden the corporate press has these deep, passionate, humanitarian impulses. | ||
| All of a sudden there's this moral outrage about the innocent people in Afghanistan. | ||
| We have started wars in about six or seven different countries that have led to millions | ||
| of innocent people being slaughtered. | ||
| Not a peep out of the corporate press. | ||
| Not a peep as, in Yemen, babies are vomiting to death by the hundreds of thousands because of the US-backed Saudi war in Yemen. | ||
| Not a peep out of the corporate press. | ||
| But all of a sudden, they're the humanitarians, the one time we end a war. | ||
| And when was the other time they became big humanitarians? | ||
| When Donald Trump tried to end the war in Syria. | ||
| Oh, the Kurds! | ||
| What about the Kurds? | ||
| See through this, man. | ||
| But do you remember what the media said when Trump fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria? | ||
| Presidential! | ||
| Beautiful! | ||
| Is this the time Trump has become a president? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| They also cheered the assassination of Soleimani. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Maybe it's just a wild coincidence that every time it's within the military-industrial complex's interests The corporate press becomes humanitarian, and when it's in their interests, they look the other way and don't care. | ||
| So that's all I'm saying. | ||
| Listen, by the way, for anyone out there, Joe Biden is the architect of some of the worst policies in modern American history. | ||
| He is an evil person, and he is very responsible directly for the war on terrorism, particularly the war in Iraq under George W. Bush that he championed and voted for, okay? | ||
| And he's also just an embarrassing Like elderly, you know, incompetent person, but this is this is not what it appears to be. | ||
| You were saying something before the show about, you know, if, you know, when we plot of a war, they're going to make sure it's bad. | ||
| Like, yeah, people are in the future. | ||
| They're going to be like, well, if we do pull our troops out of Iraq, I mean, remember what happened in Afghanistan? | ||
| Oh, you know, we don't know. | ||
| And so I was thinking about this. | ||
| People need to understand. | ||
| It's only been a couple presidents. | ||
| George W. Bush starts a war. | ||
| Obama takes it, runs with it. | ||
| Trump says, I'm ending this. | ||
| Biden then says, I'm gonna follow through, which is a good thing, but I 100% believe if Donald Trump kept troops at 15,500, Joe Biden wouldn't be talking about it at all. | ||
| It's because Trump was drawing down the troops and they were freaking out. | ||
| And then Biden comes in and he's like, how do we get more troops in? | ||
| So pay attention now because we can sit here and be like, it's a good thing he's ending this war, but they're sending more troops in already. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| I really do believe, and I had that attitude too, when Biden first pushed back the date, because Donald Trump organized, he organized a ceasefire with the Taliban, negotiated a ceasefire and a withdrawal date, which was in March. | ||
| I believe it was early in March of this year. | ||
| Biden came in and said... It was supposed to be May 1st. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
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| That's right. | ||
| It was May 1st. | ||
| Biden came in and pushed it back to September 11th. | ||
| I think At the time, I thought he was just bailing on the whole thing. | ||
| I was like, he's not going to pull out at all. | ||
| But then I guess it was just for political reasons to be like, well, we can't I can't just say I did Trump's thing. | ||
| I have to do it my own way and make it more, you know, like on an important day, September 11th. | ||
| But the reality of the situation is that with the troop levels that we had in under under Trump and even with these troops that Biden sent in to kind of help with the evacuation process, the thing is this, right? | ||
| A lot of people, and a lot of people in the corporate press, they kind of create this false narrative where they say, well, I mean, maybe we could just leave the troops in there now, at like the level we have now, and it wouldn't be this unstable. | ||
| And look, there hasn't really been an American casualty there for like the last couple years. | ||
| But what they don't acknowledge is that the reason there hasn't been an American casualty, the reason things have been stable, is because Donald Trump negotiated a ceasefire contingent on us leaving. | ||
| If Biden were to say, we're not leaving now and stay in, at this point, the Taliban runs that country. | ||
| We will need, listen, we couldn't beat them with well over a hundred thousand troops that Barack Obama had there. | ||
| So if we want to go back to this war now, it will be a bloodbath unless we're willing to send in another hundred thousand troops. | ||
| In which case, we will drive the guerrilla Taliban's back out into the mountains. | ||
| They'll sit there for another decade. | ||
| We'll draw down and they'll come back and take over again. | ||
| So what do you want to do, guys? | ||
| So I think that just out of practicality, I think this war is over. | ||
| I don't think there's anything they could do that's not going to be a worse disaster at this point. | ||
| And there's just no public appetite for it, I don't think, anymore. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I do, in the midst of that though, I do want to kind of draw a distinction between the ending of a war and the withdrawing of troops. | ||
| Because even as the troops were being withdrawn under Trump, drone bombings went up. | ||
| Now the point still stands that as the drone bombings went up, we didn't win the war, you know? | ||
| It still didn't do anything. | ||
| So we have to get out completely. | ||
| And it's at the point now where when you've got You know, $3 trillion spending bills, all these bailouts and stuff. | ||
| Like Ron Paul always said, um, empires end for financial reasons. | ||
| And, you know, we might not, we might be right on the moral issue. | ||
| We might be right on the constitutional issue, but apparently nobody cares. | ||
| Um, we will be right. | ||
| And we, and they will understand eventually on the financial aspect. | ||
| Just one, one quick other thing too, is that this is not the disaster yet. | ||
| Maybe it will be, but it's not what everyone's pretending it is in Afghanistan. | ||
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| They're acting like ISIS just seized Western Iraq and that they're cutting people's heads off, that the Taliban is slaughtering people. | ||
| So far, it's like, look, there's some ugly things. | ||
| People are dying. | ||
| Yes, no, there have been some people dying, but I'm saying it's not like the Taliban have been rolling in and just slaughtering everybody. | ||
| So far, it's kind of like, eh, it's an ugly withdrawal. | ||
| It's not like some unbelievable nightmare like many other of these situations have been after we've gone in. | ||
| The Taliban is posting Chad memes. | ||
| Like, they're on like a PR... Look, they're bad people, but by the way, so were a lot of the warlords that we propped up to fight the Taliban. | ||
| Well, let's talk about long-term solutions, alright? | ||
| The Republican Party doesn't do anything. | ||
| I mean, they sit around. | ||
| You got a handful of people, you know, obviously Rand Paul, I'm a big fan, and Thomas Massey's pretty good. | ||
| But for the most part, what is it? | ||
| It's a speed bump for Democrats. | ||
| Then you got the Democratic Party, which are just like, take and steal whatever you can. | ||
| We're familiar. | ||
| the the Lulbertarians of the Libertarian Party. You've got a lot of weird tweets | ||
| and I've never honestly taken the Libertarian Party seriously even though | ||
| neither did I for most of my libertarian life. | ||
| And so then I started hearing more and more about what you guys were doing. | ||
| I saw more videos from you. | ||
| We had you on the show several times. | ||
| And I'm like, can you guys, you know, build together something that actually functions as a legitimate alternative for regular Americans who are just fed up? | ||
| Well, so right there, like what you just said is almost exactly like the idea here, right? | ||
| That it's like, well, look, we recognize what's happening here. | ||
| So the Democratic Party is just... | ||
| So laughably beyond hope at this point. | ||
| It's now become a mix of the home for neocons, corporatists, and their useful woke idiots. | ||
| Like, that is basically the Democrats from top to bottom at this point. | ||
| It's like a Cronenberg monster. | ||
| Yeah, it's beyond even discussing. | ||
| The Republican Party has really, I mean, I think we see what it is. | ||
| I mean, the rank and file, there are certainly some people there who are really like, and | ||
| I will say in the Democrats, there are some rank and file people who like Tulsi and Bernie | ||
| for the right reasons too, so I shouldn't be too hard on them. | ||
| The rank and file, like voters in the Republican base, they really have rejected the neoconservatives. | ||
| But they both see, hey, if you like Tulsi, well, how's she going to be treated by this | ||
| Hey if you like Bernie, how's he going to be treated by this party? | ||
| If you like Donald Trump, how was he treated by his own party? | ||
| He had to win in such a landslide to even take that thing over. | ||
| And by the way, I am no fan of Donald Trump, but he was completely boxed in by his own government, his entire presidency. | ||
| The man was framed for treason by his own deep state. | ||
| So what are really like and the truth is even if Donald Trump were to win and not be boxed | ||
| in or even if Bernie Sanders were to win and not be boxed in, they're both so ideologically | ||
| wrong on so many issues that they wouldn't even know the best way to take on the federal | ||
| government. | ||
| The reality is that what we need is a mass awakening of American people to understand | ||
| to all be together on what the problems are. | ||
| We don't have to agree on everything, but we can agree on the most basic things, which is that the government needs to stop doing the evil things that are destroying the country. | ||
| And to me, the Libertarian Party, you're right, there are some Lulberts there, and there are also some really good people in the Libertarian Party. | ||
| I was specifically referring to the Lulbertarians as Not majority, plurality. | ||
| on the libertarians. | ||
| Yes, but the thing is that the vast majority, like you had talked about before that you | ||
| ran a poll a couple years ago, your audience and the vast majority of your audience, the | ||
| biggest demographic, the plurality, thought of themselves as libertarian. | ||
| And there's all these people, the libertarian party is way smaller than the libertarian | ||
| movement, than the liberty movement. | ||
| And so we're like, look, there is this party here that claims to be about libertarian principles, the beautiful Ron Paul principles that we stand for. | ||
| And there's way more of us. | ||
| So if we want to all join this party, we can actually make this a force for the most beautiful political philosophy in | ||
| human history, which is that of individual liberty. And that really does solve so many of the problems | ||
| that the country faces today. | ||
| And that's basically the thing, is that we want to save the nation by destroying the government | ||
| and the government policies that are destroying the nation. | ||
| It's a malice quote from, I forget what podcast, but he's like, | ||
| I hate the government because I love the country. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I was going to speak to what you say, because it's interesting. | ||
| You kind of, in a way, proved his point with your saying, like, oh, I love Thomas Massey. | ||
| I love Rand Paul. | ||
| Obviously, we all love Ron Paul. | ||
| And these are the biggest libertarian, let's say, stars in the country. | ||
| That's where all the support is. | ||
| But the thing that's important to recognize in that is that that is what the majority of libertarians are like. | ||
| They're more attuned to that. | ||
| So the problem is that the institution has been captured by a small number of people because it was essentially Give it away. | ||
| Apathy. | ||
| So we're just bringing that movement back into the party to actually represent it, which is Ron Paul. | ||
| Now, I want to say one thing. | ||
| There's probably a lot of people that are just like, I don't care about politics. | ||
| I don't care about Democrats, Republicans or Libertarians. | ||
| To them, I say, wouldn't you like to see Press Secretary Michael Malice? | ||
| Just because it would be funny. | ||
| But that's another... so this is another thing that... I would! | ||
| Well, absolutely, and this is another thing that we kind of, as the Mises Caucus, bring to the table that is not currently on the table within the Libertarian Party, which is that the Libertarians need to become a cultural movement, and have something to say there, and have a narrative to write there, and that's what's going to draw people in. | ||
| Right now, the party is mired in this idea that, well, we're just here to elect candidates, and then they don't even do So it's like, what's your pitch? | ||
| And, and we are out here. | ||
| So like, for example, we, the Mises Caucus, we have, uh, we're, we're supporting, uh, health freedom rallies. | ||
| You know, we're supporting like nurses that are being threatened with the mandate. | ||
| We just produced a documentary following, uh, or our California crew produced a documentary, uh, following three business owners as the lockdowns came in and they were existing. | ||
| Excellent documentary. | ||
| Yeah, and we've got an anti-war rally going on on 9-11 in DC, StopTheDamnWars.org, or EndTheDamnWars.org, and we're trying to actually get into the culture, and I would say you are a big part of that, because where I think libertarians are going to gain the most ground is in the dissident communities. | ||
| The media is not up for grabs, or the audience that is listening to the legacy media is not up for grabs. | ||
| But it's gotta be Libertarians. | ||
| And I don't mean big L Libertarian Libertarian Party. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just mean on the spectrum because even the problem I have with left Libertarians as a compass faction, you need only look at political compass memes on Reddit to understand the problem we have right now. | ||
| Whenever they make a meme, they show the tankies, the authoritarian communist types in the authoritarian left, they show Nazis in the authoritarian right, ANCAPs in the libertarian right, and the woke in the libertarian left, which makes literally no sense because woke people are dogmatic authoritarians. | ||
| It's cancel culture. | ||
| Do it or else. | ||
| It's we want you to believe our thing. | ||
| Otherwise, you're bad and wrong. | ||
| It's not libertarian at all. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| And just the fundamental underpinnings of, say, like, critical race theory. | ||
| But it kind of works. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the philosophical underpinnings of critical race theory are completely incompatible with any type of market system at all. | ||
| I mean, they will actually tell you that meritocracy itself is racist, or that liberal economies, meaning in the classical liberal sense, are racist. | ||
| But check it out, here's the thing about left-libertarianism. | ||
| Left-libertarianism is cooperative libertarianism. | ||
| Right-libertarianism is competitive. | ||
| So the reason why I think right-libertarianism is outsized is because it's really easy to have a very large system where it's like, that's a fine beer you've got. | ||
| I will trade you this rock. | ||
| And then we come to an agreement. | ||
| Cooperation outside of an exchange of value is very, very difficult. | ||
| So left-libertarianism is crippled. | ||
| But this idea that left libertarians are the woke, you know, Bernie Sanders, Democrat, that is not true. | ||
| Bernie Sanders was, maybe, but the problem is ultimately, we were talking, I think we talked about this with Vosch, he's a socialist, we had him on our bonus segment, we talked about this. | ||
| A left libertarian system, like the true libertarian freedom, is like 10 people on a farm. | ||
| Who are have agreements and they can solve their problems very easily among each other | ||
| But once you try and scale up to two different communities that don't agree and you have no means by with to exchange | ||
| value and have It a trade then you get authoritarianism when one side says | ||
| do it or else right exactly So so what it comes down to really is like like by the way | ||
| There are some really good left libertarians out there who I have no problem with | ||
| And if you basically say, if you come to the conclusion of voluntarism, which many of them do, where it's kind of like, OK, well, if you guys don't want to be a part of this or you guys want to go be, you know, competitive or whatever the thing is, which I don't even think exactly describes our type of libertarianism, it's an aspect of it, but that as long as you're OK with that, And not forcing other people in, then to me we're all kind of the same thing and you're just putting emphasis on different areas. | ||
| You can go have your commune on a farm. | ||
| No libertarian like me or Michael is going to advocate for stopping you from doing that. | ||
| The presupposition is, you own a farm. | ||
| Property. | ||
| Right, like how did you get that farm? | ||
| Did you take that from somewhere? | ||
| Did you see the meme? | ||
| Someone tweeted, what are you going to do once communism is accomplished? | ||
| And then someone responded with, probably study a bit more, hang out with my friends, teach people how to, you know, grow food on my farm, maybe hang out on Sundays. | ||
| And then someone responded with, your farm? | ||
| Have these people ever looked at a communist country? | ||
| Because you don't own it. | ||
| It is owned by the greater, and that means everyone is subjugated. | ||
| Yeah, look, I mean, that type of system, every time it's been tried, has been, not just like, hasn't worked out well, it works out really, really disastrously bad. | ||
| But this is my, here's the thing, if you truly were, this is why the left libertarian on the internet and how they portray it is completely wrong, because if you were left libertarian, you would be cheering for right libertarians because you all agree, leave each other alone unless you come to an agreement. | ||
| So when I saw Ron Paul, I was like, works for me. | ||
| He's going to leave me and my friends alone and we'll go have our little hippie commune and then we can do our thing. | ||
| A couple things. | ||
| In my experience, a lot of times left libertarians, like you use the word cooperation. | ||
| I would argue that free markets are cooperation and they naturally produce hierarchies. | ||
| And a lot of times left libertarians want to flatten those hierarchies, which is just against nature. | ||
| Yeah, no, 100%. | ||
| So I think that's exactly right. | ||
| So if you think about, say, like someone operating within a free market or some type of business or something like that, you could describe it as competition. | ||
| So you could say right now, you know, that this show, right, is in competition with other shows. | ||
| And there is some degree of truth to that. | ||
| I mean, someone is choosing right now to watch this show rather than watching some other show, so you're competing with them. | ||
| But to just describe what you do as competition, it's like, well, I don't know, you are in a cooperative agreement with everybody who's here to come and do the show, and you're gonna come and you're gonna do this, and they'll come in, and well, you are in a cooperative agreement with the travel accommodations made for everybody to get here, you're in a cooperative agreement with your sponsors, You're in a cooperative agreement with the people you buy the equipment from. | ||
| So to me, I see a lot more cooperation than I do competition. | ||
| It's not that that's not there, but all of it is involved. | ||
| But so I don't think it's like... Well, it's not one or the other. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| So the question becomes, like, how are we going to relate to each other? | ||
| But ultimately, my point was the true rare left libertarians who tend to be the politically homeless, Agreed. | ||
| should be paying attention to what you guys are doing. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| And yeah, because if we can all agree like we're going to be left alone, we can all... | ||
| Look, Ron Paul said he's like, you can have your own socialist commune within a libertarian system. | ||
| Why aren't you doing it? | ||
| You know what made me an ANCAP? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I interviewed Ron Paul. | ||
| I organized a rally at every Federal Reserve building simultaneously, and that earned me a private interview with Ron Paul. | ||
| And I was struggling with the whole thing at that time, and I said, Ron, in a free society, do you think capitalism and socialism could, if it was voluntary, run parallel to each other? | ||
| Sure, why not? | ||
| That was his answer. | ||
| I think they have to, because if you're born into a system like this, where it's like, you know, competition, cooperation, but then Google has monopolized an aspect of society, how do you use the government to break that up, in my opinion? | ||
| If you guys have other ideas around that, let me know. | ||
| I think it's the taking away of the free market that's produced that, because it's the collusion between governments. | ||
| So what is the incentive for them to break it up? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They're the ones who are getting, that are colluding with those corporate entities. | ||
| So what we need is more freedom, not necessarily more government busting up of the corporations, at least in my opinion. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I certainly think that. | ||
| It's hard to make the case. | ||
| You know, there's this tendency, I think, when a problem is very hard to solve. | ||
| And that's not to downplay what the problem is. | ||
| But there's this tendency to say, when there's a problem, well, let's just have government do it. | ||
| But okay, all government has done is made Google stronger and stronger. | ||
| They, like Michael was saying, they have no interest in breaking Google up. | ||
| Now if you think the easier thing to do is overtake the government, get really good people | ||
| elected there, and then break them up in the best interest of the people, I'm highly skeptical | ||
| that we'll be able to do that. | ||
| No, that won't work. | ||
| You've got to free their software code. | ||
| Well, that's it, right? | ||
| But what you just kind of indicated there is you actually want less government control, that you want to actually break their software code, not let them have protection under the law. | ||
| And you know what I mean? | ||
| So that's my thing. | ||
| Now, a lot of libertarians will make these really stupid arguments that, like, Tech censorship and tech monopolies aren't a big problem. | ||
| You know, that's just the market. | ||
| That is really stupid. | ||
| It is a major, major threat. | ||
| It's a big problem. | ||
| And let me say also, to Michael's point, a lot of these things, and this is something that I think is done on the left a lot, right? | ||
| I remember one time, just quick, very quick anecdote, that Bernie Sanders was criticizing Ron Paul. | ||
| And he said, this was on MSNBC, and they played a clip of Ron Paul where he said, Ron Paul was like, well, what if somebody doesn't buy insurance and then they get in a motorcycle accident? | ||
| Are you telling me that they just have to beg for charity or something? | ||
| And Ron Paul goes, look, that's what freedom's all about. | ||
| You take your own risks. | ||
| You make your own choices. | ||
| You can ask for help, but you don't get to force people to help you. | ||
| And Bernie Sanders, it cuts back to Bernie Sanders and Bernie Sanders goes, listen, I like Ron Paul. | ||
| I think he's a nice guy, but that's what he believes. | ||
| He believes People shouldn't get medical care. | ||
| They just shouldn't get it. | ||
| Now, meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is a career politician. | ||
| Ron Paul is a medical doctor who worked at a church and never turned anyone away for a dollar an hour when he was young, okay? | ||
| So here's the thing. | ||
| It's nice to just say, oh, government has to do this thing, and then feel like the humanitarian in the room. | ||
| But the reality is that we need to get on the ground and change the culture in a lot of these areas. | ||
| A lot of the stuff, and this is what Michael was getting at before, a lot of this stuff with the tech censorship is that we have kind of given up on this culture of free speech. | ||
| Not just, and I don't mean the First Amendment, I mean like free speech, what the First Amendment was alluding to. | ||
| Well, hold on, hold on. | ||
| This is very important. | ||
| The concept of free speech as we know it is new. | ||
| George Carlin got arrested for saying naughty words. | ||
| That's true, that is true. | ||
| It was, what was it, Brandenburg v. Ohio, was that the case? | ||
| I'm not sure in the 60s where we finally said oh actually you can yell fire in a crowded theater | ||
| That's right right and people have never learned the truth and lady Bruce got arrested too | ||
| And that yeah something happened in the 90s and 2000s where we were like free speech family guys South Park Simpsons | ||
| They were just like we're gonna make a whole bunch of off-color jokes and people are gonna roll with it and have a good | ||
| time and now | ||
| Springer! | ||
| Morifovich! | ||
| I genuinely believe. | ||
| Yeah, and to your point back then, even right in the 90s, they would have those shows, like | ||
| you would see on those kind of like trashy talk shows during the day where they'd have | ||
| like... | ||
| Springer. | ||
| Morifovich. | ||
| But I mean when they'd have like, they'd have KKK guys come on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They'd have like all these guys. | ||
| And there was kind of a spirit of like, all right, I think what you're saying is awful, | ||
| but let's debate it and let's hammer it out and let's see what... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I wanted to wrap up that point. | ||
| What we're seeing right now from the Democrats and the progressives is a reactionary movement. | ||
| And I mean reactionary in the sense that they are opposed to progress. | ||
| They like to claim they're progressives. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| And I'll explain. | ||
| Critical Race Applied Principles hates the civil rights movement. | ||
| Yeah, that is true. | ||
| Derek Bell has criticized the end of segregation. | ||
| This is one of the prominent, preeminent, critical race theorists. | ||
| They do not like the changes that came about, and they want to switch it back to the way things were 50-some-odd years ago. | ||
| They don't like the changes we've gained with free speech. | ||
| They don't like the fact that with the internet we got even freer speech, and it was crazy! | ||
| So they are coming into power, they are pro-corporatist, or you've got the progressives who are just siding with the establishment and they're trying to rewind the clock on freedom of speech and civil rights. | ||
| In California, they had a proposition in November that would have stripped the civil rights provision from their constitution. | ||
| And California voted very, very slim, but they voted no. | ||
| It was close. | ||
| These progressives and Democrats are actively saying anti-discrimination laws are bad. | ||
| Ibram Kendi is saying he wants discrimination. | ||
| This is reactionary. | ||
| Reactionary literally means they want to oppose the revolution. | ||
| Identitarian law was the law of the world for thousands of years and it was only until the U.S. | ||
| said civil rights we're going to enforce this and it was long and hard fought. | ||
| Freedom of speech. | ||
| Only since, like, the Vietnam protests and everything have we actually gained real freedom of speech throughout the past several decades. | ||
| They are taking all of that back. | ||
| They are authoritarians. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's absolutely right, and they would oppose any reform that still keeps the system going because that, by its very nature, is white supremacy. | ||
| This is what the belief is. | ||
| So this is the thing I want to say about you guys. | ||
| When you come out and you're like, war is bad, we shouldn't be having these wars, what American, for the most part, is going to be like, I disagree. | ||
| There's some, sure, the neocon types, I suppose, but regular working Americans overwhelmingly are gonna be like, I have no idea why we're doing any of this stuff, and why am I paying taxes for this? | ||
| Most of them don't even know about half the wars. | ||
| I mean, most of them don't even know we have a war in Somalia, or in Yemen. | ||
| They don't know about this. | ||
| Yemen is probably the worst thing that's happening in the world right now, and nobody even knows about it. | ||
| The greatest starvation of any human history, in human history, I think. | ||
| Or at least the past hundred years. | ||
| Wasn't it WikiLeaks that revealed a lot of the stuff with Yemen? | ||
| The cablegate stuff? | ||
| They revealed a bunch of stuff going on in Yemen, but that was, I believe, before the | ||
| actual worst of it, which was really when the Saudis went to war with the Houthis. | ||
| The point I wanted to make with this is that not everybody is going to agree with everything | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it seems like what you guys are for is what most people would say, hey that's better than the alternative and it's at least something for the people. | ||
| So what does the media say? | ||
| What is their response? | ||
| How do they answer what it is you guys are doing? | ||
| I mean, they'll probably use every media trick that they use, you know? | ||
| I mean, that's like, I think, to be assumed at this point. | ||
| You know, look, if you get close to being a threat to the establishment, you always are, you know, whether it was Tulsi Gabbard was a Russian agent, right? | ||
| A Russian asset or something. | ||
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Amazing. | |
| Bernie Sanders was leading a group of brown shirts and Donald Trump, of course, was the worst Nazi because he actually won, right? | ||
| But I think that Americans are becoming aware enough and cynical enough to kind of realize, and this is part of the reason why the corporate press is more and more desperate and erratic and irrational, is that they're losing their grip on power. | ||
| You can only do this so many times where you call anyone who's a threat to you a Nazi. | ||
| Before people start to wake up to this. | ||
| And I saw a poll the other day that said that, you know, two-thirds of the American people say we never should have fought the war in Afghanistan. | ||
| And that's pretty powerful stuff, man. | ||
| The longest war in our history, over a trillion dollars, something like a couple hundred thousand people killed. | ||
| Let me ask you guys a question real quick, though. | ||
| How would you rate the current state of the national economy? | ||
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Bad. | |
| Yeah, I mean, like on the precipice of disaster. | ||
| So I love this metric. | ||
| I've been using it for the past week. | ||
| Independent voters, the plurality say the economy is fairly bad. | ||
| Republican voters, the plurality says the economy is very bad. | ||
| In both groups, it's overwhelming majority saying the economy is very bad. | ||
| Republicans, 73 percent say it's in the bad category. | ||
| For independent voters, it's 67 percent. | ||
| What do you think Democrats think? | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| I already know the answer. | ||
| It's the poor owl. | ||
| He says it's okay. | ||
| The majority says the economy is fairly good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How is that possible? | ||
| And I bring that up because what I think it represents is there are a group of people living in the matrix. | ||
| The media tells them everything's fine. | ||
| You are happy. | ||
| Everything's good. | ||
| They believe it. | ||
| The Council on Foreign Relations, man. | ||
| The media comes out and says the war is a disaster and Biden looks bad. | ||
| And these people are the ones sitting there gobbling it all up. | ||
| It's a coordinated media campaign, that's for sure. | ||
| Well, to answer the question that you said earlier, what would happen, like, what would the media's response be if we blew up? | ||
| I don't think we have to speculate. | ||
| Like, we have some experience with this with Ron Paul and, believe it or not, Gary Johnson. | ||
| Now Gary Johnson, in my opinion, they used him as a tool. | ||
| Um, and Johnson, because he didn't have the strength of principle that Ron and the courage and the consistency that Ron did, he allowed himself to be used as a tool. | ||
| So what I mean by that is, um, you know, everyone kind of goes back to Gary Johnson and the whole Aleppo moment. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But before that, Relatively speaking, he was being given fair and consistent coverage by Libertarian Party standards. | ||
| And then what happened is, now I'm thinking that what they thought is, so conventional wisdom is that the Libertarians pull more from the Republican than the Democrat. | ||
| That's actually not true. | ||
| It's pretty even, actually. | ||
| But then the polling started to show that he's hurting Hillary a little bit more. | ||
| And that's when the Aleppo thing happened, that's when the fangs came out, because, you know, he was peaking at 12% in the polling at one point. | ||
| And so, for people who don't know how the debate commission works, basically the debate commission gets to pick five polls, and you as a libertarian have to score 15% across three of them, and that's what gets you in the debates. | ||
| Which is a friggin' crazy bar. | ||
| And he was actually on the precipice of doing that. | ||
| It looked like he was hurting Hillary more. | ||
| Then the vans came out and everything changed. | ||
| But let's be honest, the Aleppo moment was his fault. | ||
| Oh, oh yeah. | ||
| You wanna know how I always explain this? | ||
| Ask me about Aleppo. | ||
| What's Aleppo? | ||
| Well, look, look, I'm not here to talk about Aleppo. | ||
| I want to keep it focused on America and jobs. | ||
| And I think the American people aren't concerned about things like Aleppo. | ||
| I think they're mostly... You're a great politician. | ||
| I mean, the funny thing... Exactly! | ||
| And Gary did... But that's what's kind of sad. | ||
| Real quick. | ||
| Dude, I'll give you the better one of that. | ||
| I mean, like, that was a way better way to handle it. | ||
| But do you remember... This shows you how much confidence and just not giving in to the narrative that you've been defeated is. | ||
| There was this one moment in the debates, it was my favorite moment in the debates with Donald Trump, this was back when there were all the Republicans, and they asked Donald Trump about the TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and he goes, the major problem in the Trans-Pacific Partnership is that it doesn't address China's currency manipulation. | ||
| Okay, if you don't address China's currency manipulation, you can't get anywhere. | ||
| It goes on this whole thing about China's currency. | ||
| And then Rand Paul just raises his hand and he goes, shouldn't someone point out that | ||
| China's not involved in the TPP? | ||
| And Donald Trump goes, Rand Paul, why are you way over there? | ||
| What are you at like 1%? | ||
| Like you midget or something? | ||
| And then it was just like this, you just move away from it. | ||
| You're like, I guess Trump won that exchange. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Even though he was like, you could be wrong. | ||
| And all this, Gary Johnson could have been like, I'm sorry, what is Aleppo? | ||
| And they go, Aleppo, Syria. | ||
| And he goes, oh, okay. | ||
| Well, the crisis in Aleppo, Syria is that, but if he had just demonstrated after that, | ||
| that he knew three things about Syria, he'd have been fine. | ||
| But he just kind of started apologizing and it was just bad politics. | ||
| He's a good guy, by the way, Gary Johnson. | ||
| But yeah. | ||
| Have you guys ever seen the Futurama episode where they unthaw the 80s businessman? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| So Fry, he's like, I'm from the era, same as you, so he likes him and he invites him into Planet Express, and he tells Fry, he's like, what do you do when someone asks you about something you don't know? | ||
| Don't tell me about X, I'll tell you about X! | ||
| X is not the problem! | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| Just like, politician answers. | ||
| Something. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| I actually think the Gary Johnson thing is a really good cautionary tale on how to deal with this stuff, because compare it to Ron Paul in 2012. | ||
| The main thing that they try to do with Ron Paul in 2012 is block him out. | ||
| act like he didn't exist. He was getting first, second place in straw poll, or well all the straw | ||
| polls he was dominating, especially the online ones, but then he was actually like looking like | ||
| he was going to win Iowa, New Hampshire, and they just they just said well first place is such and | ||
| such in third places, you know, and it just completely rode him out. But what that served to do | ||
| is inflame the grassroots that much more, and then and and they and the media can never admit that | ||
| it's wrong, so it starts this cycle, and it's the same thing that happened with Jordan Peterson. | ||
| You go out there and you say the truth, you say some bold shit that's true, and and then the media | ||
| wants to destroy you for doing that, for going against their narrative, and then if you just | ||
| play it right, they will, you will get free press. Trump did it in | ||
| It's just send in Michael Malice. | ||
| too, but in a different way. | ||
| They will just continually in their inability to admit that | ||
| they're wrong, go after you again and again and again and again. | ||
| And you can, you know, snowball off that. | ||
| Whereas Johnson, I think, was happy just to be on the media. | ||
| And that allowed him to be their tool, which they were happy to do. | ||
| And then they turned on him when it looked like it wasn't going the way | ||
| that they anticipated. | ||
| We've got a really simple solution for this. It's just send in Michael | ||
| Malice. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| That will always be our solution Whenever in doubt, we hit the malice button. | ||
| But people need to understand, Michael is a genius. | ||
| It's not just about his comedic wit. | ||
| Smart guy, Michael. | ||
| We're big fans. | ||
| It's that he just knows so much. | ||
| He's got a good memory, he's got a good wit, he's got a good understanding of history and philosophy. | ||
| He would run circles around these people. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, that is our that is our ace in the hole is Michael Malek. | ||
| No, listen, but that is also there's there's something to the fact that and I've done a fair amount of like cable news shows. | ||
| And there are exceptions to this. | ||
| There are some some really smart and impressive people in cable news, but they're few and far between. | ||
| And the vast majority of people on there, it is astounding how little they know. | ||
| How weak their arguments are. | ||
| I mean, these are people, like, I'd say the majority of people that you see on cable news straight up could not do a show like this. | ||
| Like, they couldn't do a show where you were just asking them about, like, oh, well, what happened in 1914? | ||
| Or what happened here? | ||
| Like, they don't know stuff. | ||
| And I'm not claiming to be the expert who knows everything, but, like, Michael Malice knows way more than, like, 99% of them do. | ||
| And they may look at him and be like, oh, this guy's a troll and he's being a clown. | ||
| But that clown is smarter than any of you guys. | ||
| And so this is an interesting thing, too, that's different than the Ron Paul days. | ||
| It's different than 2008, 2012. | ||
| There weren't shows like this and Rogan and a whole bunch of other big people who are | ||
| big. | ||
| Patrick McDavid, Lex Friedman. | ||
| Yeah, like these are huge platforms that have very in-depth, interesting, serious conversations | ||
| that reach audiences that are actually quite a bit bigger than a lot of the corporate press | ||
| audiences. | ||
| And that is a whole new tool that, if we really want to change something in this country, we'd be crazy to not Recognize that there's a whole different playing field that | ||
| by the way That's I think a big part of the reason why the whole | ||
| corporate press is freaking out about fake news And why we have to crack down on all these voices because | ||
| for the first time I think really ever they've lost their monopoly | ||
| They now have real competition. There's some University who did like a study or whatever and they claimed that I'm a | ||
| super spy I was a super spreader of election disinformation on Twitter. | ||
| And I just find that so ridiculous because my Twitter is just... It's not a serious display of news. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I once tweeted, you know, what's the greatest band and why is it Radiohead? | ||
| And then a bunch of people got mad. | ||
| And then I said, I said the Foo Fighters are the greatest band of all time. | ||
| And then people are like, I don't, I don't use Twitter in a way that, but I guess that's their argument. | ||
| Ah, that proves it. | ||
| He just is posting garbage on Twitter. | ||
| That makes no sense. | ||
| But they put me in the same category as like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood. | ||
| And I'm like, I was telling, I was saying those people were wrong the entire time. | ||
| It's, it's this, what I think is with, with the smear pieces that come out against me, they're scared of one very, very big thing. | ||
| A lot of these big, even right-wing shows, they have funding. | ||
| Somebody stepped up and said, we've got a ton of money, we can give you money to help you grow. | ||
| We don't have that. | ||
| We just have the people who are members at TimCast.com. | ||
| So it's literally just the people. | ||
| And we don't have donors that are just, like, mysteriously giving us large sums of money. | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| It's all from Mozart. | ||
| I'll do the Bernie Sanders. | ||
| Our average contribution is $10. | ||
| And that's making this whole thing possible. | ||
| That, I think, is a problem that the establishment will not be able to solve for. | ||
| Because like you mentioned with all these other shows, how do you just stop them? | ||
| Well, there's censorship for sure. | ||
| So they can certainly excise certain political opinions. | ||
| But the stuff we're talking about, it's not controversial. | ||
| People don't like war and conflict and theft and authoritarianism. | ||
| And lockdowns and banker bailouts and corporate bailouts and militarized police and the idea of the war on terrorism being turned inward against the American people, even if you really don't like Republicans, I mean Democrats, like Democratic voters. | ||
| Wake up, man! | ||
| The Republicans were the ones who supported the war on terrorism, and now they are the targets of the war on terrorism. | ||
| Do you really want to be the next people who support the war on terrorism? | ||
| You think you won't be the next targets of it, too? | ||
| Like, there are so many issues here, and I think, to your point, Tim, even if they were able to, like, even if they were able to, like, get you booted off of all media platforms, or, God forbid, something more authoritarian, like they, you know, some real Crazy, they snatch you up and get and you know, you throw | ||
| you in some prison and torture, you know Whatever they could do they could shut what do they do to | ||
| your giant audience? | ||
| Yep, who wants this type of stuff? | ||
| But you think you think anyone who listens to this show is then gonna go turn on Don Lemon | ||
| And watch him and that and I'm not even saying like, you know what? | ||
| Like, it's not that, like, oh my god, you're the greatest journalist in the world. | ||
| It's like, you're a journalist and he's not. | ||
| He's a propagandist. | ||
| Like, that's just not, anyone who's watching this show is thinking. | ||
| They might be disagreeing with everything I'm saying. | ||
| They might be disagreeing with everything you're saying. | ||
| But they're thinking. | ||
| When you watch Don Lemon, it's there to go, Fill me with fluff so I can feel like I did my part by knowing what's going on in the world. | ||
| They're not going back into The Matrix. | ||
| The people who watch this show or any of the real alternative media stuff. | ||
| Fox News called me an investigative journalist because I made some phone calls. | ||
| Don't buy the propaganda. | ||
| Positive or negative, don't buy it. | ||
| This is how crazy things are. | ||
| A lot of these smears against me will say, like, Tim Pool is not a journalist. | ||
| And I usually just say I'm like a commentator. | ||
| But I do journalism. | ||
| I literally fact-check all day, every day, and I make phone calls. | ||
| I call for comments. | ||
| And so when the vaccine mandate thing happened, I called the city. | ||
| I tried going to the mayor's office. | ||
| They have like an email web portal. | ||
| It barely works. | ||
| And so I called the city. | ||
| They said no medical exemptions. | ||
| I started calling various restaurants. | ||
| They said no medical exemptions. | ||
| And Fox was like, investigative journalist, Tim Pool. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I appreciate the compliment, or the statement of the work I'm doing, but because these people in media don't do that anymore to a great degree, and don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great journalists on the ground in conflict, doing investigative work, there's a lot of non-profits that do it, but much of the New York media environment won't even make a phone call, and I'll give you a really good example. | ||
| Did you guys hear about Mayogate? | ||
| No, what was this? So this is probably a bit esoteric for this show. But there was a story | ||
| I saw go viral because the North Carolina GOP tweeted out a quote from a restaurant where they | ||
| said, I'm paying $200 more per week in mayonnaise. And they said, Bidenflation hits North Carolina. | ||
| Because the Republicans tweeted it out, the left said there's no possible way someone's spending | ||
| $200 a week in mayonnaise. | ||
| They said if the consumer price index is a 5.4% increase, that means they'd have to be spending $3,700 on mayonnaise per week for there to be a $200 increase. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Huffington Post, Independent, Any100, they all write it up saying something's wrong in Mayo Town. | ||
| This restaurant accused of lying. | ||
| You know what I did? | ||
| I called the restaurant. | ||
| And, uh, a guy answered the phone and I said, I see a quote from you in the press that you, uh, are spending $200 a week in mayonnaise because of inflation. | ||
| And he went, Oh yeah, so we go through about, um, you know, uh, 10 five gallon buckets per week. | ||
| They used to be $18. | ||
| Now they're about 36. | ||
| So, you know, you do the math. | ||
| And I was like, Oh. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he goes, yeah, we use it for our dressings and our sauces and it's in recipes. | ||
| So we kind of go through a lot. | ||
| And I said, what's the capacity of your restaurant? | ||
| He said 250. | ||
| I was like, that's a lot of people for any one time. | ||
| So you imagine you go to a Sunday afternoon restaurant, there's a 20 minute wait because they're full. | ||
| You got 250 people. | ||
| They all get mayo on their burger. | ||
| They all get ranch dressing on their salads. | ||
| So that's how much mayo they use. | ||
| These media outlets, if you can even call them that. | ||
| didn't even make the phone call to ask. | ||
| They saw a tweet and said, let's attack these people. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| They sent a harassment campaign at the restaurants of people saying, you're Republican shills, | ||
| you're lying about Biden. | ||
| One story actually accused the restaurant of blaming Biden when the restaurant was literally just giving | ||
| one simple quote saying, yes, our prices have gone up. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It's really unbelievable. | ||
| That story is a microcosm of what needs to be done, frankly. | ||
| Like journalism? | ||
| Well, not just journalism, but you took initiative and you did this one little thing and through that got to the bottom of that story. | ||
| And right now our society is having a serious dearth of courage and action. | ||
| So like, if I may, I kind of want to take it because what started this whole sprawling conversation was you saying, long-term solutions. | ||
| Like, long-term, what do we do? | ||
| I think you're starting to see the beginning of what has to be done with all of these parents going to their school board meetings. | ||
| Yeah, that's beautiful, man. | ||
| To stop these mask mandates. | ||
| But that's the thing, you know, NCRT. | ||
| Well, NCRT. | ||
| But you see, so like, the conversation is around the national news so much, you know, and who's producing the national news story? | ||
| The mainstream media. | ||
| Who do they serve? | ||
| The government. | ||
| So, like, we're kind of chasing a tail by doing that when really the action is in the states and the localities. | ||
| And there is a lot of action going on there. | ||
| And one person can have an impact by going locally. | ||
| I mean, a little story just in my personal experience. | ||
| I know, you know, given the vaccine mandates and everything, weed isn't the biggest issue here. | ||
| But, like, I'm just saying, I as one person went to two city council meetings where I live in Norristown, Pennsylvania. | ||
| Had a conversation with my chief of police, said, what's going on with decriminalization of weed? | ||
| And he said, you know what? | ||
| I don't know, but it's time. | ||
| It needs to be done. | ||
| I went and got some draft legislation, switched out the city of Lancaster with the municipality of Norristown, gave it to the city council, told them, hey, you guys are all Democrats. | ||
| The Democrat Party of Pennsylvania has weed legalization in their platform. | ||
| Shouldn't take me, some random libertarian dude, coming in here and being like, let's get this done. | ||
| This is a slam dunk. | ||
| A couple months later, it was decriminalized. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Yeah, no, you're absolutely right that the only place that you're gonna make a real difference politically is locally at this point. | ||
| The whole, particularly the federal government apparatus, is designed, like as you were saying, Jekyll Island, right? | ||
| By design is there to protect the powerful. | ||
| It's not there in the interest of the people or of liberty. | ||
| But I just think that, like you said, it's like, That stuff that's going on at local levels, especially, there's something to me really powerful about the parents showing up to these meetings and just saying, we're not taking this anymore. | ||
| I mean, like, how, what type of level, like, you know, do you get to, like, there's got to be a line somewhere, right? | ||
| Like, I'll tell you, for me personally, I mean, my kids, like, my wife's pregnant now and I got a two and a half year old, so they're a little bit younger than this, you know, being in this world yet, like, there's | ||
| still, I still protected them, protecting them completely. But the idea that you're going | ||
| to mask up my child and then teach them race essentialism? Um, no. And like, like, over my | ||
| dead body? | ||
| Like, I mean, like, literally, if anything is worth dying over, that is worth dying over. | ||
| Like, you know, forget the, like, you know, you'll pry my gun from my cold, dead hands. | ||
| Like, you'll pry my kid from my cold, dead hands. | ||
| There is no chance I'm going to allow my kid to be propagandized in the most abusive manner. | ||
| I just don't know how, you know, and it's really heartening to see parents standing up against that. | ||
| Let's go to Super Chats! | ||
| We got a lot of people, a lot of good comments, so smash that like button. | ||
| And I just gotta start from where we're at real quick, because Gary Talent says, when are you going to rename the show The Michael Malice Fan Hour? | ||
| It's not a bad idea! | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| We'll rename it Michael Malice Fan IRL. | ||
| Fancast IRL. | ||
| We just sit here and stand for Michael. | ||
| It's got a ring to it. | ||
| We quote him more often than anybody else. | ||
| It's like he's a writer from the 1950s. | ||
| Well, you're starting a network, right? | ||
| You could make that one of the shows. | ||
| Heck yeah! | ||
| The Michael Malis Fan Hour. | ||
| And then we got one that's really interesting. | ||
| I haven't seen this. | ||
| Mitchell Davis says, Biden just banned import of Russian ammo. | ||
| This will cause ammo to skyrocket where no one can afford it. | ||
| There will be a shortage and companies won't have to compete. | ||
| Only rich will have it. | ||
| Gun control. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I didn't hear that. | ||
| You know, there's a there's another story that I just saw related to the gun control issue where, again, it goes back to my the states and the localities and everything are where the actions at Missouri. | ||
| The state of Missouri passed a law saying that neither the state government nor the localities are going to be enforcing federal gun control law. | ||
| And now that's a Supreme Court issue. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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| You told me about that earlier today. | ||
| That is very interesting. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Tripsuck says, Last night in SF I went to see a play. | ||
| Vax cards were checked and matched to people's IDs at the door. | ||
| Dozens were turned away. | ||
| No refunds. | ||
| My family had to literally sneak past the guards to get in. | ||
| Also, Hamilton is cringe. | ||
| You know, we were just thinking about this. | ||
| In New York City, a human rights, a willful human rights violation is fined at $250,000. | ||
| A vaccination card fine is $1,000, then I think it's $2,500, and then $5,000, and then I think the $5,000 is the cap per violation. | ||
| So I thought about what would happen if, you know, I just brought some friends who had met who had disabilities, barring them from getting vaccinated, went to a random restaurant in New York, Walked in and as soon as the person said, okay, you got to show your proof of ID or vaccine, I'd say, well, I'm not actually here to come in. | ||
| I'm just a legal observer because I've got some disabled people who are going to try and enter. | ||
| And if you deny them, it's a human rights violation under New York city, state, and federal law. | ||
| I'm just curious to see what, what, which fine you're more scared of the $250,000 human rights violation or a thousand dollar COVID violation coming in guys. | ||
| Let's see what he does. | ||
| I'll be filming by the way. | ||
| Just, like, how will the shops react to that? | ||
| Because the government has put them in a position where they literally cannot escape this. | ||
| And the important point I brought up several times now is these companies have to fire their employees. | ||
| So now we're talking about, like, labor rights. | ||
| So listen, if you live in New York or San Fran, New Orleans, or Los Angeles, and your company mandates you to get a vaccine, but you legally, like, you medically can't because your doctor is barring you, Then you can take it up with, I think this would be the EEOC, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, I think what it's called, and they handle discrimination. | ||
| Now, the problem is, at the local government, you may get cult establishment people being like, we don't care, get out. | ||
| But if your doctor legitimately says, and this happens all the time, there's people who can't get it, you can't, then it is, I don't even think it's an opinion, I think it's a fact, that you are being discriminated against based on a disability that is not fair and it violates the law. | ||
| Let's see how these New York businesses handle this. | ||
| Not to mention, what would happen if like a hundred people tried walking into one restaurant and none of them had ID on them? | ||
| The whole restaurant would be jammed up and unable to operate because they've got an ID everybody at the door. | ||
| It just wouldn't work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so then they... an hour of checking IDs and business can't operate. | ||
| You know what, people? | ||
| You can't tolerate fascism. | ||
| All right, let's see what we got. | ||
| Torin Danowski says, Dave, I just joined the Mises Caucus in Philly this week because of you. | ||
| Thanks for pointing me to freedom-minded people in Progressive City. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| And that's, uh, that's Michael's, uh, hometown. | ||
| That's, uh, close to me. | ||
| And, uh, we're looking into, uh, you guys had Maj Touré on the show. | ||
| Oh, Maja's been on? | ||
| That's my guy, dude. | ||
| Maja's awesome. | ||
| He's a rad dude. | ||
| At some point soon, he's opening up the Solutionary Center. | ||
| It's like a community center gun range. | ||
| And the Philly Libertarian Party is looking to start hosting their meetings there, so that should be really cool. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| All right, let's see what we got. | ||
| Joseph Groshek says, my company is trying to force me to get the shot. | ||
| Now, now here's my issue. | ||
| Doctors are the ones who'd be trying to convince you, not force you. | ||
| And so the challenge I, the problem I have with all of this is like, bro, your manager at your supermarket doesn't know your medical history, shouldn't be telling you to do anything. | ||
| So, you go to your doctor. | ||
| And you figure it out. | ||
| We had Kurt Schlichter on the show. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| And his doctor is conservative. | ||
| And he said he's talked to his doctor about his condition, his age, and his risk factors and all that. | ||
| And the doctor said, I recommend it. | ||
| He said, alright. | ||
| And he's here and he's fine. | ||
| But to force people, without knowing anything about him, There's two big things that I don't like here. | ||
| Forcing people to out their disabilities, and demanding ID. | ||
| Not to mention, demanding a medical procedure is none of your business. | ||
| Like, that's just crazy to me. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, just like the idea of, like, creating this two-tiered caste system, where not everyone has these basic, you know, fundamental rights to participate in society, is outrageously creepy. | ||
| The slippery slope is just... | ||
| Unfathomable. | ||
| I mean, like, it's, it's, you know, you've now got, especially now that Biden's already pushing boosters. | ||
| So what are you saying? | ||
| This is just forever now? | ||
| By the way, COVID's never going away. | ||
| There will be variants here with us for, it's a coronavirus. | ||
| It's going to be here with us forever. | ||
| Well, that's only because you're un-vaxxed, Dave. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Real quick, though, there's, there's something interesting there. | ||
| Isn't the Libertarian Party opposed to the civil rights law? | ||
| Well, I don't know what the official Libertarian Party position is, but I'll tell you that the idea of banning discrimination by private businesses would be in conflict with pure Libertarian principles. | ||
| So the idea that if you own a business, like in the same way that you can discriminate | ||
| who you want to have as a guest on your show and who you don't want to have as a guest | ||
| on your show, you could discriminate based on race or gender or something like that. | ||
| I don't have to agree with it, but I could accept that that's your right. | ||
| However, this we're talking about the government forcing you to discriminate against a certain | ||
| group. | ||
| And now you're getting into Jim Crow categories. | ||
| I mean, again, I'm just saying, like, I don't know what other legal president to cite that would be forced discrimination by private businesses under the law. | ||
| Jim Crow comes to mind. | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| The inverse would actually be if private businesses started saying they were choosing to discriminate against people who weren't getting the vaccination and the government said, you can't do that anymore. | ||
| We're not even at that level. | ||
| We're at the level where the government is forcing the businesses. | ||
| And the businesses I talked to when I called said, we're sorry, we don't want to do this. | ||
| We're just following the mayor's orders. | ||
| So yes, and by the way, as much as I would be appalled and hate it if businesses were voluntarily discriminating against non-vaccinated people, although I will say perhaps there could be some businesses where it made sense, okay? | ||
| Like I saw like some cruise lines doing it and I kind of understand where on cruise ships they'd be concerned, although this was before the Delta variant and we found out you could still get it and pass it along and all that, but I'll just say As much as I would be appalled by that, I wouldn't support legislating that they're not allowed to do that, having the government force them to not do that. | ||
| I would, however, say, you know what? | ||
| You're going to lose a ton of business and just get completely destroyed in the market for this dumb decision. | ||
| And blast them. | ||
| I'm going to read the super chat, but first I just want to ask a quick question for some people who may need clarification. | ||
| You guys are not for open borders. | ||
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| So it gets sticky because there is a spectrum within libertarianism. | ||
| So you've got anarchists, you've got small government types, and because of that it creates a spectrum of what is canon within libertarianism. | ||
| But the Mises Caucus is not for open borders. | ||
| There are probably some people in the Mises Caucus who are, and some people who aren't. | ||
| No, there's a lot of people in the Mises Caucus who are open borders. | ||
| But our official position on borders is that because there is... So the idea of the Mises Caucus is that we focus on the 80% that libertarians agree on. | ||
| The wars, the growth of government, taxes, all this stuff. | ||
| And not on the stuff that divides us, like borders. | ||
| And, you know, people can get really zealous about the open border thing. | ||
| And because there legitimately is a spectrum of thought that's what I would call canon within libertarianism. | ||
| I mean, just the idea that, well, the borderlands should be owned by the government versus borderlands should be privately owned. | ||
| That really creates a spectrum of two different strains of thought. | ||
| So we just basically, we don't have an official position on that. | ||
| If you want to, like, if you are within that spectrum, you're cool with us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I'll just say, like, my position on the issue, because I know there are people in the Mises caucus who are open borders and there are who are not. | ||
| I am not for open borders, and I don't think that that's the proper libertarian position. | ||
| The idea that libertarianism is basically to me the belief that you own yourself, that | ||
| you believe in the non-aggression principle and private property rights. | ||
| That's more or less where you get libertarianism, free markets, the whole philosophy of peace | ||
| and prosperity. | ||
| And borders are private. | ||
| Borders, the idea that if the government has commons, that those commons should be open | ||
| to everybody is not at all deduced from libertarian principles. | ||
| And the truth is that if the government taxes or, as libertarians believe, robs from the | ||
| domestic population, right, that's our belief, that it's theft from the domestic population | ||
| to create commons, then those commons have more of a rightful claim by the domestic population | ||
| than any foreign population. | ||
| So I'm not an open borders libertarian. | ||
| I personally fall on Dave's side of that argument, but as a matter of our platform. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Thank you for covering the food shortages over the past few weeks. | ||
| I've been trying to convince my roommate to pitch in for emergency supplies, including food, and it has helped us prepare. | ||
| You can always go to SafeAndReadyMeals.com. | ||
| We haven't done a promo for them in quite some time, but that's the stuff that we have. | ||
| Yeah, that's great to have. | ||
| I mean, look, man, after 2020, if you didn't think maybe it's a good idea to have like some some type of supply of food, I think, you know, I would just say I think it's very wise to do as much of that as you can. | ||
| A big part of the famine in Yemen. | ||
| Is caused by Saudi Arabian air strikes embargo on their water supply. Yes, they destroyed their bomb | ||
| Yes, like like to to be clear what saudi arabia is conducting is with no exaggeration a war of genocide | ||
| With the intention of genocide they are starving the population intentionally and the u.s | ||
| This was launched under obama. You can go look this up google plague obama | ||
| Obama placate the Saudis. | ||
| He literally said we had to support them in this war to placate them because, you know, | ||
| we had kind of pissed them off with the Iraq war and the Iran deal. | ||
| So here let's throw the Saudis a bone and give them a war of genocide. | ||
| The reason I'm. | ||
| Oh, we're going to say I'm sorry to make it even more ass backwards. | ||
| Our original involvement in Yemen was under Bush as part of the war on terror because | ||
| they have the Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, a huge Al Qaeda cell that is in Yemen. | ||
| So you know who the best fighting force against Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula was? | ||
| The Houthis. | ||
| Oh yeah, so this is the other, like, little twist to throw into Obama supporting the world. | ||
| Which, by the way, Trump continued all four years of his presidency, so don't let him off the hook for this either, and made huge deals with the Saudis. | ||
| But yeah, so you have the Houthis fighting against the Saudis, al-Qaeda on the side of the Saudis, America coming in on the side of al-Qaeda and the Saudis fighting against the Houthis who were the enemies of al-Qaeda. | ||
| But we were originally, to some extent, supporting the Houthis As part of the War on Terror, and then just like the Mujahideen, it all flipped and... Well, listen, that's the other thing that's so criminal, and this really falls on Obama, and Trump was a little bit better, but not much, but better than Obama on this, is that in Libya, Syria, and in Yemen, he fought on the side of Al Qaeda, and in both Libya and Yemen, actually funded and armed Al Qaeda. | ||
| And, you know, a lot of people throw the term treason But the literal definition of treason is giving aid and arms to the enemy, right? | ||
| During war. | ||
| And that is what Obama and John Brennan and as well as, you know, some other powerful people are guilty of. | ||
| Keegan Hodder says, Dave, I know you don't believe in intellectual property and piracy. | ||
| Tim, I know you strongly believe in these things. | ||
| Please discuss. | ||
| So you don't believe in intellectual property and piracy? | ||
| Well, I don't believe in intellectual property in the sense that it's property. | ||
| You know, so it's not that there should be, like, this is like kind of abstract philosophical stuff, but the idea that, like, if someone takes your property, you have a right to use force to stop them from taking your property. | ||
| If someone downloads your podcast or something like that without permission, no, listen, you can make agreements with different companies that host it, that penalize them in some way. | ||
| But what I mean is that it's not a property right in the same way that a physical property right is a property right. | ||
| So you make contractual agreements with someone and you protect against that. | ||
| But no, do I think someone could be thrown in jail for like downloading music illegally? | ||
| No. | ||
| We agree. | ||
| I think if someone steals your property, you have a right to take it back in some way. | ||
| So it's criminal versus civil. | ||
| Yes, kind of, right, more or less. | ||
| I think piracy, stealing someone's intellectual property, is a civil thing. | ||
| It's like you take them to court, you sue them, you say, hey, look, this was something I developed, and then they ripped it off somehow. | ||
| And the criminal action could be if they hacked it or something. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's a whole different story. | ||
| Because hacking is kind of breaking into something. | ||
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| So that's kind of a different thing. | ||
| But I also think that most of the time that type of stuff should be dealt within the realm of contractual agreements. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'm trying to figure out technological solutions. | ||
| So like if you sold my song on the web, you'd get paid with a cryptocurrency that would automatically detect that I was the creator and siphon a percentage of the payment to the creator. | ||
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| So that you could have like entice a thousand people to sell my mp3s And I would give them each 1% of every sale so you have people like organizing huge websites of like aggregated music to sell or they'd be making them. | ||
| And also just that the truth is that intellectual property like we're all using like almost like the most generous examples where we would all be kind of sympathetic like yeah you shouldn't really take that person's work with that but the way intellectual property is actually enforced through the law there are far more egregious violations of that where like Like, look, the idea, almost in like the most abstract sense, right? | ||
| It's like, if you were on a desert island, and you found like some shells, and you made like a necklace, like a shell necklace out of that, and you're like, well I worked, that took me like an hour to do, so that's my property, I mixed my labor with the earth, you know, the most Lockean, just acquisition of property, that's my property. | ||
| And someone ran up and snatched it off your neck, you'd be like, that person's a thief, I think you have the right to go tackle him and take it back. | ||
| That's yours. | ||
| You worked for that, not them. | ||
| But if you went and made a little shell necklace, and then said, I am now the creator of shell necklaces, and anyone else who makes a shell necklace, I own the intellectual property of shell necklace, and now if someone else made it, I'm gonna go rip that off your neck. | ||
| Because I am the – well, now you're the aggressor, not the – so that's where like intellectual property gets into this weird area where you can't just – it's a little bit different if you claim something like your podcast or your art or your creation, but you can't just like – the idea of just creating a product and then claiming that you own all future ones is a little bit – Zanzibar says I was raised Democrat, swung right during Trump, but embraced libertarianism when I found the LPMC. | ||
| I've never wanted to join a party more. | ||
| Dave Smith for president. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's a rumor. | ||
| That's a rumor. | ||
| I haven't heard it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| YouTube says, you need to have George Gammon on the show. | ||
| His recent video on Bitcoin was excellent. | ||
| He's held events with Ron Paul and G. Edward Griffin as the headliners, and he's also open to traveling. | ||
| You could also ask him about the suit against the Federal Reserve he's embarked on. | ||
| Oh, I'd like to hear that. | ||
| That all sounded like an excellent recommendation to me. | ||
| You know what the greatest thing about wokeness is? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Well, there's two things that you need to understand. | ||
| First is, go broke. | ||
| And then the fact that the Federal Reserve has been embracing woke policies. | ||
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| The Fed, the CIA, they got a lot. | ||
| The Fed going broke without loosening up legal tender laws would be ugly. | ||
| I want to have Gia or Griffith on the show. | ||
| Have you worked with them before? | ||
| No, I mean, like, I've watched, you know, a bunch of his videos and read a bunch of his stuff, but I've never... Would you want to come on the show with him? | ||
| Yeah, dude, if you get G. Edward Griffith on, I'll... Yeah, absolutely, dude. | ||
| I'll come on any time with him. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I might be able to help you with that. | ||
| Yeah, let's do it. | ||
| That sounds great. | ||
| He wrote the book on Jekyll Island, right? | ||
| Creature from Jekyll Island. | ||
| Creature from Jekyll Island. | ||
| And he also, I mean, he's been, like, he's been at it forever, man. | ||
| Like, he's been on top of this stuff. | ||
| Ruben Pedroza says the real way to make change in government is to enforce term limits or elections for all bureaucratic positions of power. | ||
| Fire the deep state. | ||
| Yeah, what do you guys think about term limits? | ||
| I mean, I personally don't think it would make too much of a difference because it doesn't change the inherent incentives. | ||
| It just shortens the time frame on them. | ||
| I think that's true. | ||
| I think it actually might even have more perverse incentives, you know, like where you could have someone like, well, you got a short little time span, you better cash in right now for all the revolving door value you could get, you know. | ||
| But I also think that it's like all of these solutions almost presume the victory. | ||
| So, OK, we're going to enforce term limits on all bureaucrats and all politicians. | ||
| Well, how the heck do we do that unless we already have control of the entire government? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So what's the step to get to there? | ||
| A lot of people always want to have these silver bullet solutions. | ||
| But the truth is that what we really need is to wake up a lot more people. | ||
| Otherwise, none of these solutions really work. | ||
| It's cultural. | ||
| Yeah, 100 percent. | ||
| All right, Weefy says, you are missing the depths of Hassan's hypocrisy. | ||
| He told Sargon in a debate two years ago, quote, profit is theft, Sargon. | ||
| To say that, then buy a $3 million house. | ||
| I'm gonna stop right there, because I ain't gonna strawman Hassan. | ||
| When the left says profit, they don't mean the simple money you make off your labor. | ||
| What they're referring to is when a CEO gets paid $13 million a year, and then somebody who actually makes, say, the bottle of water, They sell the bottle of water for $5, extract a dollar to go upwards towards a position somewhere else. | ||
| The general issue is scale. | ||
| So whereas we talk about free enterprise and capitalism in a way they don't understand, and they need to, if I build a birdhouse and the materials are $20, and I sell it for $25, I have a $5 profit. | ||
| Hasan is not referring to that $5. | ||
| He's saying, oh, but you made it. | ||
| You're entitled to sell it. | ||
| It's yours. | ||
| They're talking about hospitals that have board members who don't do anything, just absorb money. | ||
| And so their view of it is, if you are in a position as like a shareholder or something, and you're getting dividends and profits, but you're not doing any work, that's the profit they're talking about. | ||
| So you can agree with them or disagree with them, but I like to steel man their arguments and then have the argument. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think you guys are very much in favor of if you own the business and hand it off to somebody else, you can take the money, right? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And I also wouldn't suggest... I mean, look, again, like what has to be made clear is that we live in a system and an economy that is completely, you know, it's nothing but a big cartel scheme and the rules are completely rigged for the powerful. | ||
| But if we're just talking in theory in a voluntary free market or something close to that, the idea that someone who's an investor did nothing, I mean, no, I don't think they did nothing. | ||
| They invested in that company. | ||
| I mean, go ask someone who's starting a company how important investors are. | ||
| They're really, really important. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| If you don't have them, the whole thing doesn't get made. | ||
| So I don't believe in that. | ||
| I don't think profit is evil in any way. | ||
| In fact, I think it's a sign that a company is doing really well. | ||
| John says Hasan also has even said he couldn't do more in-depth analysis of videos without hiring more people, so his hours of streaming is not an actual hustle. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| I mean, being on camera for 10 hours a day is work, man. | ||
| He does it almost every day. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| He's on for 10 hours a day? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, that's impressive. | ||
| That's a hustle, dude. | ||
| I'll say that is impressive. | ||
| And I don't think we need to strawman our political opponents or rivals or people we disagree with. | ||
| We need to always be like, here's the best they have to offer and let's prove it wrong. | ||
| So, look. | ||
| I say, if you're truly for the cause, you would invest in it. | ||
| Hassan is an activist, he's a commentator, he's a progressive socialist. | ||
| He chose to use his money for a $3 million house, as opposed to a $3 million advocacy organization. | ||
| Now, that's fine. | ||
| He doesn't have to do anything. | ||
| And he says that you just don't see the advocacy work he does because he's not pushing it out there for a PR campaign. | ||
| And that may be true. | ||
| But I'm just like, $3 million house in West Hollywood, you could move to Pasadena for a fraction of that cost, for a seventh of the cost. | ||
| So if you want to have that big fancy house in West Hollywood, you are choosing to live in the upper echelon of the wealthy ultra elites. | ||
| That, I think, is a fair criticism. | ||
| But I don't think we need to criticize the fact that he's working really hard. | ||
| Can I tell you? | ||
| He made a video trashing me once, and he strawman'd me pretty bad, and then I made a video back smashing him. | ||
| And now that I know he does 10 hours a day, I take a lot less offense to it. | ||
| I'm like, well, he's got to come up with something, man. | ||
| I mean, he's doing 10 hours a day. | ||
| Yeah, you got to bang out whatever you can. | ||
| Hey, look, look, the left strawmans, and they tow establishment lines. | ||
| That doesn't mean we need to. | ||
| So that's like, that's, that's a good point. | ||
| And especially if you're right, if you're right, like if you're right, you don't, you shouldn't want to censor other people. | ||
| I don't mean right wing. | ||
| I mean, if you're correct, you shouldn't want to censor other people and you shouldn't need to strawman other people because you got the truth on your side. | ||
| He said some really awful things in the past. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, about like Dan Crenshaw and about 9-11, but you, but people always try to bring that stuff up. | ||
| And I'm like, the reason I don't bring up people saying dumb things in the past is because it's not a political argument. | ||
| It's just you, you're, it's an ad hominem. | ||
| It's like, look at this guy. | ||
| He says dumb things. | ||
| I'm like, probably I say dumb things too. | ||
| Yeah, no one should be judged over the worst thing you said. | ||
| There should be some amount of, like, a charitable grace that it's like, well, let's judge you on, like, kind of what you stand for over, you know, like, the body of your work, not just, like, this one sentence or this one thing you said. | ||
| That's, like, kind of gotcha nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know. | ||
| We're not perfect here. | ||
| I rag on people. | ||
| I try to avoid being super mean as well. | ||
| I used to, like, really be offensive with my jokes back when I was, like, 15, 18. | ||
| It was all about, like, impressing my friends and using the most racist, just terrible. | ||
| That was back on Monday for me. | ||
| I realized in college I was like kind of broadened to a larger, you know, sect of humanity and I realized that it was offensive to other people that making humans the butt of jokes isn't necessarily the best way to do comedy. | ||
| So I kind of changed the way I... Just don't do the woke comedy where you make fun of yourself. | ||
| Yeah, don't do that either. | ||
| Let's read this one. | ||
| We got a good one. | ||
| one, Brett Stubbs says Dave left off a huge motivation in the history of the IRS. | ||
| It was also to do away with old bank notes from local banks. | ||
| You could only pay taxes in the Federal Reserve note. | ||
| So it was also for consolidation of a single note. | ||
| Yeah, well, there's there's definitely something to be said for that. | ||
| That's a very interesting point. | ||
| But of course, yeah, that is true that it really strengthens kind of legal tender, right? | ||
| Because the only thing you can pay your taxes in is, right, what, Federal Reserve notes. | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| Cody says, Tim, I'm coming up on the one-year anniversary of my father's passing. | ||
| It's been a harder time than I've ever faced before. | ||
| You and Crowder have been my favorite therapy. | ||
| I love all of you. | ||
| Keep it up. | ||
| Hey, man. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Sad to hear about your father's passing, but thanks for being a fan and watching the show, and I'm glad that it's been helpful. | ||
| We're just some dudes who hang out and talk stuff on the internet, and we have friends over, so, you know, we do our best. | ||
| F the Magician says, you are the means of production, Tim. | ||
| Individuals are. | ||
| There's another thing I brought up in the Hassan thing in my earlier segment, because it was actually pretty long. | ||
| I have way more to say about it. | ||
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Oh, today? | |
| Yeah, I ended up doing like a half an hour when I normally do the 20-minute segment. | ||
| But Hassan bought a $3 million house, which in this capitalist system, even with a welfare state, I think is fine. | ||
| But in a socialist system, because he brought up the word socialism, The house is the means of production. | ||
| The ability to have a big... When you're in the media, you know, we're in this big house right now with multiple rooms and different studios. | ||
| The house is the means of production. | ||
| That people have a space to work, it's akin to a factory. | ||
| We've got a bunch of different computers, we've got tons of computers. | ||
| So the computers are the means of production, this microphone is, this keyboard is, that camera is, and the house itself is the factory. | ||
| So, in a socialist system, I don't think poor, working-class people, the proletariat, would tolerate a $3 million mansion. | ||
| I think they'd be like, you are producing web videos by yourself. | ||
| Great, you're not exploiting anybody. | ||
| But that building should be open to others to do the same thing, and when you are not streaming, your camera and computer should be available to the public to use the means of production that you use. | ||
| I think that's what socialist proletariat would want. | ||
| That's definitely how pure socialism goes wrong. | ||
| Well, I mean, but in a sense it's not just how it goes wrong, it's the logical conclusion. | ||
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Right? | |
| I mean, it is the logical conclusion. | ||
| I mean, look, these are, by definition, means of production. | ||
| You are producing things through these means, and you are generating all of this stuff through it, and so why should you? | ||
| Like, if you're not going to look at it through the respect of private property and ownership, well then why shouldn't this be for the benefit of the, you know, quote-unquote community? | ||
| I think a lot about socialism, big S and small s. Like, socialism, the government style, big S. Authoritarianism, the big A authoritarianism is like the government style. | ||
| Then there's authoritarian with a small a, like an adjective. | ||
| And how you can weave socialist small s or authoritarian small a functions into a democratically republic system. | ||
| And still have it function even better than if you hadn't woven those. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I guess what frustrates me at times, and like even with the conversation we were having before about left libertarians versus like our school, they call right libertarians, I don't know, whatever. | ||
| I think we're just libertarians. | ||
| Ron Paul libertarians, whatever you want to call that. I don't I don't care if you want to call us right libertarians | ||
| like that's that's fine I'm not like offended by it | ||
| but that it's like so tell me the the distinction which I feel like left libertarians always kind | ||
| of beat around the bush because the idea that like well you can have socialism here or | ||
| Lowercase s socialism. It's like yeah No, no one in our libertarian school is ever denying that | ||
| you can't have a co-op well Go have your co-op. | ||
| There's co-ops all over the place. | ||
| Go have your co-op. | ||
| Do everything you want to. | ||
| The idea that you can't buy a plot of land and turn it into a commune? | ||
| Of course! | ||
| No one's trying to stop you from doing that. | ||
| We're libertarians. | ||
| This is exactly my point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Libertarianism cannot scale past one community. | ||
| So with Left Libertarians, I always say, hippies on a farm. | ||
| You know, it's like Ian's sitting there and he grew some, you know, mangoes or whatever. | ||
| He made bread. | ||
| Ian made bread. | ||
| When I walk in the kitchen, Ian goes, yo, I made bread. | ||
| You want some? | ||
| He doesn't ask me for an exchange. | ||
| It's just, you know, Tim, you got the flour. | ||
| I made the bread. | ||
| I made the bread though. | ||
| So without me, you wouldn't have the bread. | ||
| You'd only have the flour. | ||
| And then we just openly share, like Ian can take the flour whenever he wants. | ||
| I'll have some of the bread whenever he makes it. | ||
| What happens though, when the neighbor walks over and walks up and takes the bread? | ||
| Yeah, it's like, and you see each layer, it gets a little bit more like, maybe that could work if you're real close with your neighbor, but then what about another neighbor? | ||
| And then all of a sudden, the guy from down the street comes, and we don't have any arrangements with him, and you can't just manifest one. | ||
| And so then when I'm like, stop taking my bread, and he says, you don't own the bread, I'm like, we're gonna use force to stop you. | ||
| Well now we gotta go to war. | ||
| A mini war. | ||
| So that's the idea of a feud. | ||
| Left libertarianism exists in very, very small random pockets. | ||
| There's one very famous commune of a hundred people where it's very well organized and it's a commune. | ||
| When one person announces they're leaving, they go to their waiting list and then invite one person. | ||
| Hey, this person in two weeks is gone. | ||
| You will come in. | ||
| We'll teach you the rules. | ||
| Everybody's equal. | ||
| We have a farm and it functions. | ||
| People desperately want to go there. | ||
| And it exists because they're not in a system that mandates they give their stuff to the government. | ||
| They're allowed to keep it. | ||
| Their commune retains the private property. | ||
| Well, that's it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So my point right there is that basically... It doesn't scale. | ||
| But so my point is that if even when you say doesn't scale, the only way this is workable is under our private property system. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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I agree. | |
| So you come back to being us. | ||
| So my point is that You're just one of us who wants to live on a commune, which is fine, but don't... So unless you're... If you're calling it this other thing... Right, exactly. | ||
| It doesn't work, or it turns into some other thing, and if you're not that, then just explain to me the distinction. | ||
| That's why I said, as much as I disagree with Ron Paul on a lot of policies, he's always said, I'll leave you alone, and I'm like, great, I can do my thing. | ||
| Can I tell you, I was a left-winger before I found Ron Paul in 2007. | ||
| I found him in the Giuliani moment where he called Giuliani out for the real motives of terrorism and the evils of the U.S. | ||
| Empire and I was like, that's the greatest thing I've ever seen. | ||
| And then I started reading all of his books and reading a bunch of other libertarians and I was converted. | ||
| After looking at first when I was starting to read it I was like I gotta read this libertarian stuff to find out what's wrong with it Like I was gonna read it to like disprove it and then along the way somewhere I just got converted like they were better or but my thing with that what you just said is why I really thought in my silly naive young mind that I was gonna be able to convert a bunch of leftists and Because I go, this is, there's such a good pitch to the left here, is what I thought. | ||
| Because I go, look, if you embrace libertarianism and reducing the government, like drastically reducing the size and scope of government, then look, you end immediately all the evil things that you hate. | ||
| Now this is during the Bush administration, so like wars, you know, they were really against the wars at that time, and the war on drugs, and police brutality, and all this stuff that the leftists really hate. | ||
| And look, all that other stuff that you guys love, like Welfare and taking care of poor people and any type of this tough stuff like socialism I go you can have all of that you just have to do it voluntarily You know like so you can have that you guys just got to come together in your own voluntary community And then you can do all of this so isn't this the perfect compromise pitch to the leftist you can you can get rid of all the things you hate and have all the things you love you just have to come do it voluntarily and um | ||
| Yeah, that was not as well-received as I thought, and I have actually persuaded a lot more right-wingers than left-wingers, which I was surprised by. | ||
| Because they're mostly authoritarians who just want stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So my view was always like this, you know, Ron Paul... And they want it quickly. | ||
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Right. | |
| Ron Paul comes out and he says, I believe we got to do this thing and that thing and this thing, and I'm like, I don't agree with those things. | ||
| And then he goes, and if I was elected, I'd leave you alone so you can do your own thing. | ||
| I'm like, you got me. | ||
| I'm going to have my little farm, and I'm going to have my hippie friends, and we're going to be left alone. | ||
| Dude, Ron Paul said this once, and I think it was in, God, I can't remember if it was the 2008 or the 2012 campaign, but he said this thing where he was basically like, oh, there's all this excitement, he has tens of thousands of people around him, and he was like, so now people are asking, what's going on here? | ||
| What do you stand for? | ||
| And he said, my foreign policy, he goes, I would describe my foreign policy as the following. | ||
| I don't want to run the world. | ||
| I don't know how to run the world. | ||
| The Constitution doesn't give me the authority to run the world. | ||
| We ought to mind our own business. | ||
| And I would describe my domestic policy as the following. | ||
| I don't want to run your life. | ||
| I don't know how to run your life. | ||
| The Constitution doesn't give me the authority to run your life. | ||
| We ought to respect individual liberty. | ||
| And I always thought that was just the most powerful, honest, and humble political message I'd ever heard. | ||
| That really, the message is that anyone who's telling you they want to run the world or want to run your life, first off, does not have any moral or legal authority to do so, and also just doesn't know how to do it. | ||
| And that the only honest thing was to admit that you don't. | ||
| We have a good one. | ||
| C. Hennessy says, Dave, serious question. | ||
| If you were to be president and Taiwan was attacked, would you honor our agreements to assist? | ||
| Well, what do you even mean by assists in Taiwan? | ||
| Look, man, we gotta, like, I hope Taiwan is not attacked, and I root for freedom of people everywhere, but we really gotta get over this empire mentality that we can do something about. | ||
| Like, what do you wanna do? | ||
| You explain to me the logistics of, what, are you gonna get military in there and start fighting a hot war with a nuclear-armed power like China? | ||
| And then what, we're gonna, like, start just I mean, like, at a certain point, Americans gotta, like, take a slice of humble pie and recognize that, look, we just lost to the Taliban in a 20-year war, okay? | ||
| You think we're gonna take on the Chinese on their territory? | ||
| How about there's one problem that ever exists that's just not our battle? | ||
| to fight. I root for them. I do not want to see them fall to China. I don't like the government | ||
| of China. They are a creepy, authoritarian, quasi-communist, quasi-fascist government. | ||
| But what do you think we're going to do, man? You actually think like... | ||
| Nukes? | ||
| Yeah, like you want to go to a nuclear war and lose what? | ||
| Seoul and Tokyo and maybe LA and then we'll blast three of their cities and then after all of that we still won't be able to get the forces in to save Taiwan? | ||
| Where has this worked out for us? | ||
| Yeah, really? | ||
| World War II? | ||
| Yeah, it was a stunning success. | ||
| Only 60 million dead, you know? | ||
| You want another one of those? | ||
| All right, Jesse Meek says, The thing I like most about ShimCast | ||
| is the diverse people you bring together. | ||
| Amazing discussions. | ||
| Please give a shout out and consideration to a few other amazing tubers, | ||
| Liberty Doll, Guns and Gadgets, Good Patriot, Philosopher, | ||
| and Patriot Nurse, amazing people all. | ||
| I would also like to shout out Seamus Coghlan, the host of ShimCast, | ||
| who hasn't been with us for a week or so. | ||
| He quit the show and we took it over. | ||
| We did a joke when Seamus was here. | ||
| Oh, I love Seamus at Freedom Tunes. | ||
| Yeah, he's the best. | ||
| We changed the image to say ShimCast instead of TimCast. | ||
| And then he intro'd the show. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| Seymour Mac says, Tim, I've lost track of how many times you've mentioned the Mises caucus in your videos. | ||
| I think it's like seven. | ||
| This is much needed. | ||
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Go watch The Fight Has Just Begun. | |
| It's six. | ||
| I feel like I was just keeping track the whole time. | ||
| It was six and a half. | ||
| Just watching it intently, just like, uh, The Fight Has Just Begun, a Mises documentary. | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah, they just put it out. | ||
| It's a documentary of, like, the struggle of the Mises Caucus versus the other LP people in Pennsylvania. | ||
| It's very inside baseball for people who are, like, into the LP thing. | ||
| First of all, shout out to Doc who did the super chat. | ||
| But yeah, it's a documentary. | ||
| Like he said, it's a little bit more inside baseball, but it gives you an idea of what we're facing inside the party in order to red pill the party and, you know, the tricks that are being pulled and all that kind of thing. | ||
| If you want to get kind of an insider view of the kind of things that we're dealing with, that's a good thing. | ||
| And if you like what you're hearing in this conversation, go to TakeHumanAction.com and help us, you know, help us red pill this party. | ||
| TakeHumanAction.com is the place to go and understand what we're doing. | ||
| Just to be clear is that we're bringing the Liberty Movement into the Libertarian Party. | ||
| We're bringing that real Ron Paul libertarian energy that's serious and facing about, you know, the real issues facing the country. | ||
| And we are also in the process De-woke-ifying an institution for perhaps the first time in history. | ||
| I'm not sure there's ever been an institution that went woke and then has been de-woke-ified and we're about to do that. | ||
| Yeah, shaking off progressivism I think might be historic. | ||
| And also, Angela McArdle for chair of the Libertarian Party. | ||
| That's coming up this next year, right? | ||
| When's the convention, Michael? | ||
| It's May. | ||
| It's Labor Day weekend, so May of 22. | ||
| May of 2022. | ||
| Angela McArdle, she's awesome. | ||
| She's going to be the next chair of the Libertarian Party. | ||
| And yeah, check her out. | ||
| We got some critics of Hassan pointing out, they say, Ultronaut says, Hassan leaves for hours and lets others' videos go. | ||
| Red Dragon says, Hassan is on camera for 10 hours, but only talks for one. | ||
| He's inflating the screen. | ||
| JXC is right about everything. | ||
| Hassan watches videos and occasionally says, yeah. | ||
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Huh. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
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That's challenging. | |
| I watched some of his videos. | ||
| All right, that I could do a little bit more. | ||
| I just don't understand. | ||
| Why would you even want to do that? | ||
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I don't get it. | |
| It's a hot topic. | ||
| Because you build up a big stream. | ||
| The longer you stream, the more people come, the more money you make. | ||
| He's on, um, what's the thing? | ||
| Twitch. | ||
| The video game stuff, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they have good chatting now. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Hey man, look! | ||
| I bet you thought OnlyFans was only for porn. | ||
| Not anymore, bro. | ||
| That's all done. | ||
| I think even if you don't think he's doing that much, like he's successful and he figured it out. | ||
| And I think you're allowed to be progressive and leftist and still be rich. | ||
| The issue, I suppose, is like if he was arguing that people shouldn't be allowed to be rich at all, which I don't think he does. | ||
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All right. | |
| Fair enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, I think, you know, we can argue why his ideas are bad. | ||
| But I think being like, oh, you bought a house. | ||
| It's like, come on, man. | ||
| You're not you're not winning an argument by ad hominem. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, I but I do think leaving Hassan aside or whatever. | ||
| But I do think there is something to be said for like, say, Bernie Sanders, you know, when he becomes a millionaire and then like, you know, like itemizes his deductions to pay his little taxes. | ||
| If you write your own book, you can be rich too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like there is something about that where it's like, dude, you were you just spent 30 years | ||
| attacking millionaires saying they should pay 70% taxes. | ||
| You're paying like whatever it ended up being like 15 18% and then given like two or 3% | ||
| to charity. | ||
| You if you really believe that, I don't think it's too much to say lead by example and say, | ||
| OK, look, I'm only paying 20% in tax, but I'm going to give another, you know, 40% away | ||
| to charity because I really believe that no one needs this much money. | ||
| And that then I then I would at least I'd still disagree with you, but I'd at least like take what you're saying seriously and be like, hey, that guy's got some real principles. | ||
| When you got two or three houses and you're making millions of dollars ragging on the rich, that's like, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just don't like hypocrisy, but I do like capitalism and I like success, so I don't hate him for the success. | ||
| And that's the funny thing. | ||
| The people who are ragging on him for being rich are left, not right. | ||
| The right are like, oh, well, congratulations on being rich. | ||
| And the left is like, why are you rich? | ||
| The thing I said is like, what, should he just keep his wealth a secret? | ||
| Should he not buy anything with all the money he's got? | ||
| He's probably making a couple of mil per year. | ||
| I think to change a society, you need to be super rich. | ||
| Like if you look at the American founding fathers, they were super rich and like, I've lived my whole life in this like this pious or whatever, like charitable state where I don't want to get rich. | ||
| Cause I don't like the system and I don't want to involve myself in it, but it's ridiculous. | ||
| You want to be like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos controlling swaths of industry. | ||
| Then you can implement your political change. | ||
| But well, it's about the work you do and what you build up that gets you to the point where you have control over systems. | ||
| That's true, too, because if I had like six hundred billion dollars, it'd be different than owning Amazon. | ||
| Yeah, well, look, it all it all depends on exactly what you're after. | ||
| I mean, all of these things are kind of like, you know, they're different forms of power and they're different forms of influence. | ||
| But if you you know, being you can be very, very wealthy. | ||
| And use that in certain ways. | ||
| You can be somebody who's very respected and admired and use that in certain ways. | ||
| You can also just be a really great father or friend or son and that can make a big difference in an individual's life. | ||
| So there's all different ways to kind of like shape the world around you. | ||
| But yeah, there's no question that like very very rich people have a disproportionate amount of influence. | ||
| That's a good point, though, about the attention economy and the value of people knowing who you are and respecting you, because money can't buy that. | ||
| You still need some modicum of broad support or public support, because look at Bloomberg. | ||
| Look at all that money that he threw at his election and got laughed at. | ||
| Yeah, that's a very good point. | ||
| That's a very good point. | ||
| There are things that are maybe unmeasurable commodities in a sense, like respect. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That not everyone can buy. | ||
| Michael Bloomberg has a lot more money than Ron Paul does, but I'll tell you, he's not spoken of the way that Ron Paul is amongst people who really admire him. | ||
| Just the same way that freedom and responsibility are axiomatically the same thing, Power and competence and responsibility are axiomatically the same thing. | ||
| Well, and I think you could argue- Or they should be in any- Yeah, perhaps they should be. | ||
| I should say they should be, yeah. | ||
| Right, because perhaps things really start to collapse when they're not axiomatically linked, right? | ||
| So when people have power and don't have- That's when it becomes a tyranny. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| We've got a leghorn chicken that lays double yolk eggs. | ||
| And so we- I saw your chickens, I think I know which one it is. | ||
| It's the little one. | ||
| No way! | ||
| The little one? | ||
| Oh, that is not who I was going to go with. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy because the eggs are massive and they're double yolks. | ||
| So I'm thinking like, we want this one to have babies, right? | ||
| Because we like this. | ||
| Because when you see something being done right. | ||
| So now I'm thinking about it. | ||
| Is the Paul family propagating? | ||
| Because we need more little Ron Pauls. | ||
| And if not, can we build robots and download Ron Paul's brain into... Rand is pretty incredible. | ||
| I mean, there'll never be another Ron Paul. | ||
| Ron is Ron. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And I will say, I was playing different games. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, look, I was, I was very disappointed in, um, Rand Paul's 2016 campaign and I like heartbroken about it. | ||
| I really had high hopes for him and he just didn't continue the Ron Paul thing. | ||
| But I also do think now in hindsight, looking back at it, that it was a little bit unfair. | ||
| Like I was comparing him to who like my greatest hero ever was. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| just because he's his kid. | ||
| And if I never knew about who Ron Paul was, and you asked me about Rand Paul, | ||
| I'd go, I don't know, he's just the best senator ever? | ||
| And like, so, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, to be fair, and he really has, look man, through this whole, | ||
| like he was great on so many different things, like the Brennan filibuster and a bunch of other things. | ||
| But through this whole COVID thing. | ||
| That NDAA filibuster? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's right. | ||
| He was great on that. | ||
| But through this whole COVID thing, he's just been nothing short of heroic. | ||
| I mean, what he's gotten Fauci on tape saying, and just backing him into these corners and getting him, it's like almost the perfect trap where he gets Fauci to say these things. | ||
| The next day, all the blue checks are like, Rand Paul owned! | ||
| Two weeks later, the CDC agrees with Rand Paul. | ||
| You know, like, it's just perfect. | ||
| And I, we all owe him. | ||
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Definitely. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| We'll do one more. | ||
| One more. | ||
| So smash that like button. | ||
| This one's very important. | ||
| Smash the like button! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| Devastating. | ||
| You must. | ||
| We command you. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| It's not enough to passively watch this video. | ||
| You must actively smash that like button. | ||
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Thank you, Joe. | |
| All right, Angela McArdle says, Mike, how do people become delegates for the Libertarian National Convention? | ||
| Ooh, that's Angela McArdle. | ||
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That's the future chair. | |
| That is our future chair being at work on that stream. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Interesting question, Angela. | ||
| Never thought of that. | ||
| So what people need to do is you need to join the Libertarian Party. | ||
| But what's more important than joining the Libertarian Party is joining your state Libertarian Party. | ||
| So if you live in Michigan, you need to join the Libertarian Party of Michigan. | ||
| Pennsylvania, the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania. | ||
| And then there's also your county level parties. | ||
| So you want to get active there. | ||
| And now it differs state by state, but ultimately you want to join your state party. | ||
| You want to show up to your state party convention, whenever that might be, and get elected. | ||
| But this is why you got to go to takehumanaction.com because if you go to that, | ||
| we have 230 organizers around the country. | ||
| And if you sign up on the email list on there, Not only do you join our email list, but you get hooked up with our organizers. | ||
| We'll bring you in. | ||
| There's a whole network. | ||
| They can help you become a delegate. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| There you go. | ||
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Perfect. | |
| And that's how you're going to get everybody to start taking over the party and changing the world, or whatever it is. | ||
| Yeah, come on, man. | ||
| Change your town. | ||
| Look, dude. | ||
| Change your town. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I know you've said it like a bunch before, and it's part of the reason. | ||
| And I understand we're all in this position of like, look, man, I don't know what the best option is to do this or that. | ||
| But you've talked about it. | ||
| You're like, look, the Democrats are a nightmare. | ||
| 90% of the Republicans are a nightmare. | ||
| Maybe there's a few good ones here or there. | ||
| The libertarians who run as Republicans is their only way in. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Well, right. | ||
| But then you just look at this and you go, man, I don't care what's happened over the last 16 months or even the last 20 years. | ||
| This is the United States of America, and we deserve better than that. | ||
| These two parties have basically committed, in effect, treason against the American people. | ||
| They have sold us out for their own interests, many times foreign interests. | ||
| In effect, they've committed treason against their own people. | ||
| What are we supposed to do? | ||
| Keep choosing between these two parties on which type of treason we want to deal with? | ||
| The American people, the United States of America, deserves better than that. | ||
| let's give it to them. When we talk about Press Secretary Michael Malice, | ||
| we're talking about in a presidential campaign, but I'd like you to imagine an actual Press | ||
| Secretary in an administration walking up to the podium in the White House and then calling on | ||
| journalists and schooling them better, like it's Kayleigh McEnany times 100, you know what I mean? | ||
| Just mocking them ruthlessly and then giving them a history lesson. | ||
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Can you imagine how good Michael Malice's press secretary will be? | |
| I have to do this just for him! | ||
| I have another link on the Malice tip, actually. | ||
| Malice at one point said that if the party would do it, that he would take the keys to the Twitter if the party would do it. | ||
| The party ain't gonna do it. | ||
| But if you want to, if you want to make it, well, you can, you know, like me and you were saying, we've got to put public pressure on these, these companies forcing the mandates. | ||
| You can go to maliceforlptwitter.com and sign the petition. | ||
| And then we can go and say, Hey, there's 10,000 people. | ||
| It's like half the party. | ||
| Maliceforlptwitter.com? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no, that's, that is legit. | ||
| Like getting an actual, uh, Getting someone of that talent to run the Twitter account would be PR gold. | ||
| Make sure it says run by Michael Malice in the description so people can go to his personal page to know what's going on. | ||
| And I also wanted to add another point about like what you were saying about with the Republican Party. | ||
| In 2012, when Ron was running, there was Rasmussen polls showing that the only Republican candidate that was winning in the polls against Obama was Ron Paul. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| And, and they went with Mitt Romney. | ||
| They went with Mitt Romney. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not saying I understand it's 2021. | ||
| It's not 2020. | ||
| It's not 2012. | ||
| And I got to like move on from that. | ||
| But for all the right-wingers who understandably are just furious at everything that the left-wing has done to the country, you do have to understand that you had an option in 2012 to vote for literally Thomas Jefferson, a better version of Thomas Jefferson, in Ron Paul, and you chose Mitt freaking Romney. | ||
| So, I mean, like, grapple with that. | ||
| Now, if you're young, if you're like 20 and you didn't vote in that election, okay, I'll let you off the hook. | ||
| But if you are a right-winger who supported Mitt Romney over Ron Paul, then you just, like, you don't get to complain about anything. | ||
| You had your chance. | ||
| Forget the politics for a second. | ||
| We've spent a lot of time talking about how this whole thing is a cultural battle that's manifesting itself through politics, right? | ||
| So, and we also talked about how We're going to have to capture the counterculture. | ||
| Forget the politics. | ||
| You're telling me the Republican Party, is that going to be the counterculture? | ||
| They've been getting their ass kicked culturally for 60 years. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| In some ways, I think because it's a cultural battle is why we have to go through the LP, because we can actually build our own culture, build our own narrative, build our own stories, whereas the Republican Party, culturally, is hated by half the country. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| Even as bad as the Democrats are, you look at the polling, like I go to civics, The Republicans are disfavorable more. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Mitch McConnell. | ||
| No, no, because Republicans are sick of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So with the Democrats, it's Republicans and independents who are like, bleh. | ||
| The Democrats are like, yeah, the Republican Party is Republicans and independents being like, gah. | ||
| Is this what we get? | ||
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| No, you're absolutely right. | ||
| All right, this is the last one. | ||
| Angela McArdle again, saying, I will give Malice those keys. | ||
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Thank you, Angela. | |
| So if Angela is chair of the party, then she has the authority to give him the keys. | ||
| So everybody heard it right there. | ||
| You want Michael Malice to have the keys to the Libertarian Twitter handle? | ||
| All you gotta do is get Angela McArdle voted in as, uh, uh, uh, get her elected as the chair of the party. | ||
| If you wanna understand why, if you're not familiar, we've had Michael on the show several times, you gotta follow him on Twitter and then you'll start to bask in the glory that is the perfect trolling of Twitter and the, the just, it's, it's, it's glorious watching him go after these journalists and, and, and all that good stuff. | ||
| He's a brilliant writer, too. | ||
| A brilliant writer that was born in the Soviet Union and saw, like, governments gone too far from a very early age. | ||
| So when he talks about anarchy, he's really doing it from an erudite place. | ||
| And he's also an excellent writer, not just in the fact that he's, like, a super smart guy and he knows a lot about history and makes really good arguments, but just his, like, prose and his technical writing is just very enjoyable to read. | ||
| It's something I really admire. | ||
| As a very crappy writer, I really admire very good writers and he's an excellent writer. | ||
| He's got great range because, yeah, you can go on Twitter and see and laugh at him trolling people and it's just glorious. | ||
| But then you can watch, say, for example, the Lex Friedman interview when he's talking about what his grandma had to go through and started crying. | ||
| He's got incredible range and all of that stuff and, like I said, a great writer. | ||
| By the way, if I ever write a book and it's well written, Michael Malice wrote that book. | ||
| Just so you know. | ||
| I did not write that. | ||
| I did not. | ||
| All right, everybody. | ||
| It's been a blast hanging out with all of you on Friday night. | ||
| Smash that like button. | ||
| Subscribe to TimCast.com. | ||
| We've got the vlog is picking up steam. | ||
| So we actually had a midweek episode. | ||
| We went to a rock store and bought crazy fossils and giant quartz crystals. | ||
| It was a whole lot of fun. | ||
| So go to YouTube.com slash Castcastle. | ||
| You know why we're doing the vlog? | ||
| Because we've talked about how we can't just keep making content that is like, oh, the news is bad. | ||
| The news is bad. | ||
| So we were like, let's make something good and fun with chickens and the dogs running around and the trampolines. | ||
| We're having a good time riding motorcycles. | ||
| Just trying to make something that can, like, lift your spirits and show you some pretty trees and stuff. | ||
| And then we got a couple more shows. | ||
| So we're doing some rehearsals and screenings for the new Mystery Show. | ||
| We got a D&D show we're working on where it's going to be a whole lot of fun. | ||
| Dungeons & Dragons. | ||
| Again, to make culture, to inspire people, to make it so that people aren't just watching nothing but negativity. | ||
| We're taking that revenue from all of you guys' members and we're putting it right back into making more and more stuff so that you can watch it and enjoy it. | ||
| So thanks for all of that. | ||
| You can follow us at TimCast. | ||
| TimCast IRL basically everywhere. | ||
| You can follow me at TimCast. | ||
| Do you guys want to shout out social medias? | ||
| Oh yeah, at ComicDaveSmith on Twitter, TheProblemDaveSmith on Instagram, and PartOfTheProblem is my podcast, so go check that out. | ||
| So for me, I'm not the biggest Twitter user, but at MisesChair on Twitter. | ||
| We also have got the Facebook group, Libertarian Party Mises Caucus. | ||
| And then the big thing is, join that email list, get in touch with your organizers, TakeHumanAction.com, and help us decentralize the state. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| I'm also, uh, that's awesome. | ||
| That's a good one. | ||
| Decentralize. | ||
| Hey, my name's Ian Crossland and you can follow me at iancrossland.net. | ||
| I just want to show you this quartz crystal. | ||
| It's so cool! | ||
| This is one of the pieces that Tim procured at the gem store. | ||
| We've got quartz because it's, um... This thing's incredible. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Piezoelectric or something? | ||
| Piezoelectric. | ||
| It means that when it vibrates it produces an electrical charge. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, that's how the watches work. | ||
| They just use the quartz. | ||
| It's going to be like the future of electrical generation in a lot of ways is piezoelectricity when you can tap into the vibration of the vacuum itself. | ||
| We're going to get back to how we made the pyramids, finally. | ||
| Yeah, there might be something to that. | ||
| They were giant batteries. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| It's what people could figure out how to build. | ||
| Stack up a bunch of rocks. | ||
| They put gold on the very top, which is a superconductor. | ||
| I do find all of that stuff very interesting. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| We only have a couple hours to go deeper into that. | ||
| No, I won't be here, sorry. | ||
| No, but in the new show, definitely. | ||
| That'd be fun, yeah. | ||
| Super awesome. | ||
| I'm also here, thank you guys all so much for tuning in to the first episode of the Michael Malice Fan Hour IRL. | ||
| I hope that you guys will tune in on Monday. | ||
| I'm not sure how much of a Michael Malice Fan Hour IRL it will be that day, but it's going to be awesome then as well. | ||
| You guys may please follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids because I am approaching Sour Patch Kids and followers. | ||
| I'm excited about that. | ||
| And, uh, we got Steve Bannon next Tuesday. | ||
| So we wanted to follow up because, uh, he made some predictions about schools and what the parents were going to do. | ||
| And I think he was correct. | ||
| He said the parents were going to flip out. | ||
| So we're going to follow up with that. | ||
| And then we'll obviously follow up with some other, you know, uh, political issues, but that's going to be on the members podcast because YouTube would ban us if we talked about those issues. | ||
| But, uh, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see how it rolls out and, uh, thanks for hanging out. |
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