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tim pool
We got an interesting development in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse.
It may not seem like that big of a deal, but I think it strikes the heart of the conservative argument against Kyle.
No, no, no, hear me out.
Kyle Rittenhouse has a gun charge.
People were arguing that he was too young to have a weapon.
And now, the legal team has filed a motion to have those charges dismissed.
And it may be the case that the charges bunk anyway.
If that one is out, then there's literally no argument against Khabrat Nassim anyway.
Clearly it was self-defense.
Many people on the left have even said, well I shouldn't say many people, but some people on the left have actually admitted that it was self-defense, or at least begrudgingly said it was some kind of conflict.
Although the left is adamant about locking this guy up, in my opinion, if this gun charge goes out, I'm not a lawyer.
We'll talk to one.
But it seems like the only way he'd actually get convicted at this point is if it's political, which very well may be the case.
But I've heard arguments from conservatives the gun charge was the one that made sense.
Now it may actually be out.
We'll see how politics plays a role in this.
But joining us today is former lawyer for Kyle Rittenhouse, John Pierce, and you're also the founder of the NCLU.
john pierce
That's right, the National Constitutional Law Union, the NCLU, and that's nclu.com, and the best way to think of it is essentially the ACLU for the rest of us, or what the ACLU used to say that it does.
tim pool
Yeah, isn't that sad?
john pierce
Yeah, no, it is.
I mean, it's tragic, and there's a vacuum, and that's why I stepped into it, because the only way that we protect our Constitution in the long run, and get out of this sort of tyrannical downward spiral that we're in, is to fight very hard for people whose constitutional
rights are violated.
And make no mistake, even though I'm a conservative, this is not a conservative organization, it is not a
Republican organization.
It's what the ACLU used to say that they did, which was to protect everyone's constitutional rights,
and that's what we plan to do.
tim pool
Right on.
And we also have a lot to talk about in terms of January 6th as well.
john pierce
Yes, sir.
So I believe that I represent by far most of the more January 6th defendants than any other lawyer in the country.
I believe the count right now is at 13 and growing.
There's a lot of folks that need help and a lot to talk about in that case.
tim pool
We got to go through all that stuff.
That's important stuff.
john pierce
Absolutely.
tim pool
We got Ian Gillen.
ian crossland
Jeez, yeah.
Hey, Ian Crossland, man.
What's up?
john pierce
How you doing, Ian?
ian crossland
Thanks for coming, man.
john pierce
Absolutely.
And I do I do have to say congratulations to everyone on the Cassandra Fairbanks acquisition.
I consider Cassandra essentially the best journalist in the country right now.
Amazing person.
And she just does such great work.
So it's amazing to see you all team up.
ian crossland
Yeah, she's like literally Well, not literally a rock star, but very close.
john pierce
In my mind, she's there.
tim pool
I'll say this of Cassandra.
On Twitter, she certainly is feisty.
But her reporting is top-notch.
It's straightforward.
I would say it's usually very straightforward, well-researched, and well-sourced.
john pierce
Everything I see Cassandra Wright, you know, to me looks spot-on.
She is feisty on Twitter.
You kind of have to be feisty on Twitter when you get hit.
You kind of have to hit back ten times harder or else you're gonna get eaten up.
So I kind of like it.
tim pool
Right on.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, I'm in the corner as well, as you have come to expect me to be.
I'm very delighted because we have an air conditioner now, and that means none of us are going to be shiny and sweating anymore.
tim pool
Yeah, the fans are gone.
We got a special AC unit installed because we foolishly put the studio in the highest point of the house.
john pierce
The AC's working, for sure.
tim pool
Oh, it's amazing.
And it's one of these ultra-quiet units, but we're moving into a new studio probably in the next month or so.
It's gonna be way better.
Yeah.
The table's gonna be attached to the ceiling.
john pierce
Still looks like you have a little bit of work to do, but it does look like it hasn't.
tim pool
They just started today.
So, but yeah, the table's gonna be attached to the ceiling.
How about that?
john pierce
I think that's very cool.
ian crossland
Yeah.
john pierce
And if it falls, it makes for a great episode.
tim pool
It won't be able to fall, it'll be part of the ceiling.
john pierce
I guess ceilings typically don't fall, so.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
There's a secret room in there, is that right?
tim pool
No, what are you talking about?
ian crossland
Oh, are you messing with me?
tim pool
What are you talking about, Ian?
There's no secret room.
ian crossland
Yeah, that wouldn't be a secret if that was the case.
john pierce
I know nothing about any such room.
ian crossland
I think we should just rip the wall out and have it be double the size.
tim pool
Ian's talking about a small crawl space where the cat used to break into.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, that's how they got up here.
ian crossland
I think Tim lied to me earlier today.
lydia smith
No.
ian crossland
What?
Oh, I thought you were messing with me earlier on.
tim pool
No, there's like a crawl space where the AC unit is the cat used to break into.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, she used to come up here.
unidentified
Alright, alright.
Anyway.
ian crossland
Tim, let's go deep.
tim pool
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Let's jump into this first story.
It's from Newsweek.
Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyer asked judge to dismiss charge she was too young to have a gun.
Rittenhouse's attorney filed a motion asking the judge to dismiss the charge that he was too young to possess a gun under Wisconsin's law, arguing that Rittenhouse's assault-style rifle doesn't fall under the definition of the prohibited short-barreled shotguns and rifles.
Mark Richards also filed several other arguments, including a dismissal of a video from July 2020 that prosecutors filed motions last week asking a judge to allow as evidence.
Prosecutors said the video shows Rittenhouse hitting a teenage girl in the back of Kenosha's waterfront, but Richards argued the altercation is irrelevant to the case.
Richards has similarly argued against prosecutors, claiming Rittenhouse has an affiliation with the Proud Boys, which is a... I love how they just say this, is a far-right extremist group.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
Okay, well, we're hanging out with John Pierce now.
You are not a lawyer for Rittenhouse anymore.
john pierce
That is correct.
tim pool
But you were telling me about this gun charge.
It's one of the reasons we want to talk about it.
You said it was total BS.
john pierce
Nonsense.
tim pool
But now, just to give some people context who might not be familiar, They're charging him with murder, right?
john pierce
There are multiple homicide charges.
I mean, it's been a while since I've looked at the actual charges, but yes.
tim pool
For those that, for whatever reason, don't know what happened, there was ongoing rioting in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Kyle Rittenhouse was there.
He had a rifle.
He was chased by some men.
We've actually had Richie McGinnis, actually we've had Richie and a bunch of other people who are on the ground and witnesses to what happened.
Richie laid out everything experienced.
Richie's actually the journalist who took off, he took off his shirt, right?
Trying to render aid to one of the guys who got shot.
He watched it all.
And the gist of the story was that several of the rioters had set a dumpster on fire, were pushing it towards a gas station.
Kyle or someone from his group put the fire out, enraging many of the rioters.
Kyle was chased.
As he was running away, He heard a gunshot because a man standing in the street fired a gun.
Initially, people thought the gun was fired up into the air, but there are some reports now that it was actually fired towards them.
Either way, Kyle hears the shot, turns around.
When this guy lunges for his gun, Kyle fires in self-defense.
The guy goes down.
Kyle then runs to go get help.
He's chased by someone saying, what happened?
He says, on video you see this, he says, I'm going to get the police.
Someone yells something about, get him, that's the guy.
He's then chased, knocked to the ground, and some guy runs up with a skateboard, tries to grab the gun, and Kyle fires upward and it goes into his heart.
That guy goes down, he's dead.
john pierce
Well, he hit him in the skull with the skateboard, which right then could have killed Kyle, first of all.
tim pool
So the guy with the board actually, yeah.
john pierce
Right here, with the sharp edges of the skateboard.
He was under full-scale assault the entire time.
tim pool
And the next guy who came up had a gun.
john pierce
Absolutely.
tim pool
He had a gun and tried grabbing the gun from Kyle and took a .223 to the bicep.
I believe it was his right bicep?
john pierce
It was his right bicep.
tim pool
And it vaporized.
john pierce
He had a Glock that he was about literally a half a second from bringing down to execute Kyle while Kyle was sitting on the street.
Kyle simply fired that shot a half a second before he got executed by that person.
tim pool
The guy was holding the gun.
And you know the guy actually said, I want to be careful here because of the litigation around this, but my understanding, I could be wrong, he actually said that he should have shot him.
Like later in an activist rally he said something to that effect.
john pierce
I think it was at his hospital room when he was talking to one of his friends, he said something to the effect that his only regret was that he didn't shoot him and empty his entire magazine.
tim pool
That right there.
Kyle was, uh, he was a local resident.
People say he crossed state lines.
Yeah, what, he lived, what, 20 miles away?
It's a suburb.
john pierce
He literally lived right across the street.
tim pool
He worked there.
john pierce
Yes, he worked in the Kenosha area.
tim pool
He worked in Kenosha.
john pierce
And he was there the night before.
He did not cross state lines with any weapon.
unidentified
That's nonsense.
tim pool
Right, right.
So what ends up happening now is you have the left saying he killed these activists.
He was hunting them down.
He's a white supremacist.
It's absurd.
john pierce
It's absurd.
tim pool
And anybody who goes to the evidence knows that's not true.
But there were many conservatives saying, but he wasn't supposed to have a gun.
He's underage.
Now we're hearing that they want to get that dismissed.
The current lawyers want to get that dismissed.
And you're saying it was BS anyway.
So let's break that down.
What do you mean by that?
john pierce
That charge is absolute nonsense.
Mark Richards is a terrific lawyer.
I'm proud to say that I'm the one that got him, you know, kind of retained on that case.
He's doing a great job.
He will do a great job.
Wisconsin is an open carry state.
The type of AR-15 that Kyle had that night, which is a long barrel AR-15, is completely legal in that state.
It's legal for Kyle to have had possession of it at that age.
If that rifle had been shorter, potentially there may have been an argument under that statute that there's an issue.
Also, if I recall correctly, there's a very strong argument, and I think Mark made it in his motion, that that statute relates to various hunting regulations that have nothing to do with that case.
Uh, that- that charge should be dismissed.
It never should have been brought- none of these charges should have been brought.
But that- that charge- that charge should go away.
way. Mark Richards is absolutely correct that that charge should be dismissed.
tim pool
It was interesting seeing even a lot of conservatives on Twitter mentioning that
maybe you know some people said he shouldn't have had the gun and they're
gonna get him because if in the process of committing one crime someone dies
you get charged for that and then people said you're allowed even if you're not
allowed to have the gun picking up a gun in self-defense or having one in
self-defense is exempt. There's a lot of arguments about it but I guess none of
it matters because the law itself doesn't even apply to what Kyle was doing.
john pierce
That law does not apply to that weapon.
It does not apply in the context of what happened.
The charge should not have been brought.
This is a totally, totally political persecution.
It's not even close.
It's not even close.
This case needs to be dropped.
If somehow, someway, these political Soros-funded prosecutors in Kenosha, Wisconsin, get some kind of conviction against Kyle Rittenhouse, It will be a travesty and it will go a long way towards eviscerating the right of self-defense that all of us have.
tim pool
I agree.
Now, I've said in the past, though, I mean, so this looks like any rational argument that a reasonable person might presume is out the window.
We had a leftist on who said, he actually, this guy Destiny, he got kicked out of the Twitch partner program for saying that it was the clearest case of self-defense he had ever seen.
And this is a leftist who said this!
I mean, this is a guy we had in here, and he was defending critical race theory and social justice and all this stuff.
We clearly disagreed, but he was like, oh, come on.
If you're being honest, you saw the video, you know it was self-defense.
john pierce
It's in fact virtually a perfect case of self-defense, because on every element of self-defense, it's not just that he meets the standard.
I mean, he exceeds it by orders of magnitude.
tim pool
Like he was running away?
john pierce
Like he was running away.
Like people were trying to kill him at every moment.
Like they were trying to take his rifle and, you know, shoot him with it.
Like the individual you mentioned literally had a Glock in his hand that he was bringing down.
tim pool
Who later expressed his desire to just unload into the guy.
And someone fired first.
It's mind-blowing to me.
john pierce
From behind him, in his direction, they attempted to ambush him.
And when Kyle turned around, Joseph Rosenbaum was coming at him at full speed and was literally right on top of him, lunging for the barrel of the weapon, as Richie has noted.
tim pool
This is crazy.
How did it end up that he's being charged with these things?
john pierce
I mean, look, this is why the George Soros's of the world are very, very dangerous.
I mean, prosecutors, local and federal, have extraordinary discretion.
You know, George Soros, for all of his flaws, is no idiot.
And he has gone a long way in places like Philadelphia and in Los Angeles with this Gascon guy out there.
tim pool
Is it Chesa Bowden as well?
john pierce
I believe that's right.
I mean, they're Fox.
Yeah, it's it's it's a very, very dangerous.
I mean, physically dangerous thing for the citizens of these cities, because these because they are essentially choosing outright and announcing that they're not going to be prosecuting all manner of crimes.
I mean, for example, in San Francisco, and you know, California, essentially, they've said they will not prosecute shoplifting crimes if it's a value of under like $900.
I mean, so you see the Neiman Marcus video?
unidentified
I do not.
tim pool
I did not.
It's just like 10 people running out of the building full speed carrying stacks of stuff.
unidentified
Well, that's $9,000 worth of stuff without prosecution.
tim pool
Maybe you can call it a conspiracy, but no one's enforcing it.
There's another video that just started going viral where it's people walking and filling
up bags casually with no masks on, just filling them up and then just walking out the door.
john pierce
It's not rocket science to anticipate the impact that these sorts of policies and these
sorts of prosecutors will have on the complete breakdown of law and order in these cities.
And it's happening, and regular Americans see that it's happening, and the left may underestimate regular Americans, but I believe they're going to get punished severely at the ballot box as a result of this.
tim pool
Now, after Chauvin, I said, Kyle's going to get life.
That's what I said after I watched it happen with Chauvin because you had a few very important points there that the defense tried getting the venue changed because of the riots and the judge said everybody in Minnesota knows who this guy is there's no venue where he can go and that to me is astounding because it was an admission that there would be no fair trial in which case case is dismissed free to go because we don't lock people up unless they get a fair trial unless we go through due process what went when that happened
then you saw the the the jurors being led into the courthouse with
armed men protect them from the extremists that have been attacking
brooklyn heights and it was broken center
brooklyn center yeah clearly these people were being influenced and they even
admitted it after the fact saying that they were scared well you had
john pierce
maxine waters show up right in the middle of it you know demanding that
everything continued to burn if there wasn't the quote-unquote right uh... you know
verdict you had Joe Biden, who's advocating for the quote unquote correct
or right verdict.
And his excuse was that, well, jury deliberations had started, so therefore they're sequestered.
So, you know, that won't impact things.
I mean, this is, these are things that are fundamental.
I mean, the criminal and civil jury system in the United States is so fundamental to our freedoms.
It goes back, you know, to the Magna Carta, et cetera.
The jury is the, along with, you know, sheriffs at different times and different circumstances, the jury is the last bastion of protection.
for people who are, you know, wrongfully charged.
Look, I will say, I'm a jury trial lawyer.
That's what I do.
I have immense faith in juries.
That Chauvin trial was very concerning.
But Kyle is totally innocent, and I have complete faith that that jury is going to find it the right way.
tim pool
But you think, like, there's going to be riots.
The jury is going to be sitting there staring, saying, who wants to be the martyr?
They're going to say, not me.
john pierce
I have complete faith that that jury is going to come back with the right verdict.
The case is so clear.
I don't see, at Wisconsin, an American jury coming back with any other result.
tim pool
You know, the big difference between that and Chauvin is, with Chauvin, there was big arguments about the amount of force, whether or not Chauvin should have kept his knee on his back or neck or whichever you perceived it as, that he should have rendered aid immediately when Floyd stopped moving.
So there's arguments.
john pierce
Well, look, with Chauvin, you have the 800-pound gorilla of the nine-minute video that is shown over and over and over again, right?
That's an extremely tough video to watch, and it's a tough piece of evidence to overcome.
Kind of the converse, I think you have with Kyle, which is it's probably the first, you know, criminal trial in history where it's literally as if you were watching the Super Bowl and there were 100 different angles of high definition video of everything that was happening that you can sync up.
There is there is simply no way around the conclusion that there was 100% perfect self-defense.
tim pool
Yeah, but you could still get a jury that just says, I'm not falling on that sword.
john pierce
I have complete faith in Mark Richards and that jury.
tim pool
All right, all right.
I think it'll be particularly interesting.
But let's jump to this next subject, January 6, because, you know, we're talking about George Floyd.
Somebody tweeted something about conservatives and the double standard.
There was some conservative who said something about, you know, why don't we know who killed Ashley Babbitt?
We should have this information released immediately with George Floyd.
We got this big show trial in the press.
And then someone said, like, how are conservatives not understanding, you know, the differences between George Floyd and Ashley Babbitt?
They were like, it's a double standard that they don't care about Floyd, but they only care about her because they're racist.
And I said, Ashley Babbitt wasn't chewing on a speedball behind the wheel of a car and then actively resisting police.
I'm like, I'm not saying that, you know, George Floyd deserved or any of that should have happened, but Ashley Babbitt stood up and looked through a window and took a bullet to the neck, right?
john pierce
So, first of all, I pray for Ashley Babbitt's family and I pray for them to obtain the justice that they deserve.
There's all kinds of strange things going on with everything related to January 6th.
So, specifically with respect to what you just mentioned, you know, was she shot in the stomach?
Was she shot in the shoulder?
Was she shot in the neck?
There are basically three different stories that have come out, you know, from the medical examiner, from the media, etc.
You know, the chief of the Capitol Police, who either resigned or was ousted a couple days after the event, a few weeks after his firing or his resignation, wrote an eight-page letter, I think his name is Stephen Sundlund, wrote an eight-page letter to Nancy Pelosi, essentially, you know, writing about what happened that day in sort of an after-action review.
There is no mention whatsoever of the Ashley Babbitt shooting in that letter.
Whatsoever.
Why is that?
How is that possible?
The truth is going to come out about everything that happened on January 6th.
It is going to take some time, but the true January 6th commission is going to be what happens in those Article 3 federal courtrooms whenever we try these cases.
I represent 13 of these people, and I will tell you that we are taking every single one of these cases to trial.
We're going to expose exactly what happened that day, how it happened, who's behind it, what happened, etc.
With respect to the double standard, obviously I need to be a little bit circumspect about the way I talk about the particular cases that I'm a lawyer in, and juries will decide the outcome of those cases.
But what a lot of Americans are saying, and I think it's undeniable and it's self-evident, is that, you know, where are the pre-dawn raids to round up the hundreds and hundreds of people, the Antifa folks who burned down Kenosha and Portland and Minneapolis and Los Angeles, and in effect held a federal courthouse under siege in Portland for over a hundred days, including attempting, not very effectively, but attempting to burn it down.
tim pool
Well, they broke in several times.
They used some kind of welding tool to cut through the locks.
john pierce
Yeah, and they tried to burn it down when human beings were inside.
ian crossland
Yep.
john pierce
Okay.
So, you know, we have pre-dawn raids with AR-15s where there are three-year-olds in the house, you know, with folks like, you know, 73-year-old pastors who are Vietnam veterans with no criminal record.
Where is the priority to protect, like, regular American cities?
And I think that it's just self-evident, and a lot of Americans see that there seems to be a dual standard of justice right now.
And think about how dangerous they think that is.
A fundamental precept of the American system, the American idea, the American Constitution, is that there is equal justice under the law. When the
faith in that idea starts to crumble, and in fact I would say starts to be shattered, as it is
right now, that's a very, very dangerous thing for a free society and a constitutional public to
hold together for very long.
ian crossland
I watch rich people just walk on law. I mean, when Hillary Clinton's email scandal dropped,
she was a Secretary of State and was involved in getting Sidney Blumenthal in Libya, like some of
the most criminal actions of getting us into a war in Libya, directly against Obama's direct
order that she can't work with Sidney Blumenthal.
She worked with him anyway.
tim pool
She destroyed public records and got away with it.
john pierce
Classified.
ian crossland
Including classified.
Equal protection under the law.
tim pool
I'm sorry, it was about yoga or whatever.
john pierce
Yeah, they were talking about yoga and birthday parties.
And of course, as you probably noticed, the journalist who essentially broke the story of Loretta Lynch meeting with Bill on the tarmac has been suicided.
tim pool
Well, the journalist who broke the story, this one, I don't think, you know, people look too much into this.
There was an anchor.
He reported the story.
He wrote on that story for years.
He wrote a book about it.
I don't look too much into that.
It doesn't make sense for me.
For me, that would be a conspiracy in any way.
I think sometimes people, you know what I think?
We talked about this on the show.
Here's a guy who breaks this story, turns out to be one of the biggest stories.
He then rides on that for a year or so, telling everybody, oh, I'm the guy who reported it, but he's just a guy who talked on TV about it.
He writes a book about it.
He then does a book tour about it.
Two years go by, dude's got nothing left.
I think, I don't think there's like, we're going to wait six years and then retaliate against him.
No, I think it's a guy who almost touched the sky and then, you know, with all due respect to his family and his sad story, but I just don't see it.
john pierce
Look, obviously I have no first-hand knowledge about it.
I just do know there is a lengthy count of deaths and suicides in the Clinton past.
tim pool
I think that's all exaggerated.
I've looked through so much of this, this idea of the Clinton stuff.
And there's like a bunch of memes and I'm like, there was one where it was like an accountant at a firm that once
worked at the Clintons.
unidentified
I'm like, come on, dude, the firm's got 3000 employees or whatever.
tim pool
People really stretch it.
You know, what you got to be careful of is the confirmation bias in that this guy reported a story like six years ago.
And then like, what are we supposed to assume that the Clintons like in six years time, we'll get our revenge and
expose ourselves to massive risk for no reason.
A bunch of these stories that come out about the Clintons are like...
Strange, circuitous connections that I think are just silly.
ian crossland
But the email thing is not.
The email thing's legit.
tim pool
That's a blatant crime.
ian crossland
It was a crime that she committed that she wasn't charged for.
And Loretta Lynch was basically investigating that, right?
She was in charge.
She was what, the Attorney General or something at the time?
And then Bill Clinton went and met with her and had a conversation off the record that people could see happening.
And then the charges got dropped.
Is that what it was?
Or the investigation didn't go forward?
john pierce
Yeah, that's right.
I mean, you know, James Comey held a very sort of famous or infamous, you know, press conference in which he went through sort of, you know, 15 minutes of talking about, you know, how sort of reckless and negligent and bad this was about the emails and then sort of surprisingly at the end sort of dropped the bomb that, you know, it didn't rise to the level of her being prosecuted or whatever.
But you know that's not something that FBI directors do.
They have an investigation, they make a recommendation to the Department of Justice as to the evidence,
and then that proceeds.
That was odd to say the least.
tim pool
Oh yeah, I mean 2016 was one heck of a weird year.
It's like reality just broke.
A lot of people like to mention that the CERN Large Hadron Collider went off.
And then, you know, we get the whole universe is in disarray.
But I want to mention something too.
A lot of people don't understand.
I think there's a lot of people who want to believe in a lot of conspiracies.
You'll see like a meme photo and a list of a bunch of names and then draw lines and connect them.
Okay, I actually go through those names and I look up the records of the individual where they worked and I've looked into a lot of those memes and I'm like, It's just... You could do this to almost any person in a high-profile position.
There's this new one going around where the San Francisco Gay Men's Choir, they recorded this video where they said, we're coming for your children.
And it's a creepy video.
I think it's really creepy and purposefully antagonistic, like to an extreme degree, where they started getting serious hate and took the video down.
But 4chan's coming out and digging up their names from the choir, and then connecting them to the sex offender list.
I also started—I was like, okay, let's see if some of these things are true.
And they do these memes, they show the name, they connect the line, and then I—these—it's just—it's not legitimate.
It's not real.
Far be it for me to say that 4chan's got it wrong, but they certainly don't have enough evidence yet.
john pierce
Yeah.
tim pool
So you gotta be careful about these meme things that go around because I've tried to dig up stuff on this and it's just not there.
john pierce
Look, I used to be, you know, one of these people that whenever you would watch, you know, the Oliver Stone movie, JFK, I'd think, well, that's interesting, you know, but I mean, you know, like, come on.
Was there really anybody else besides Lee Harvey Oswald?
I will just tell you that in light of the litigations I have been involved in in the past four to five years with respect to representing George Papadopoulos and Carter Page and Rudy Giuliani and Tulsi and Kyle and now January 6th, There's a lot of narratives that turn out to be just completely and totally fake, and they end up being just destroyed after a period of, you know, three or four months, whether it be, you know, sort of the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax.
Exactly.
tim pool
But those are conspiracy theories, too.
That's the thing, you know?
john pierce
Yeah.
tim pool
Unless you have the hard evidence that you can put out and you can definitively draw those lines.
john pierce
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, I just say, OK, yeah, whatever.
john pierce
Yeah.
You know, I'm just in light of the in light of the the things that I am, you know, learning as a lawyer, probably most involved in the January 6 cases.
And again, you know, we'll let juries decide what happened there.
They're just they're just there's just a lot of questions.
tim pool
With respect to to Ashley Babbitt, we still don't know the name of the individual who fired on her, who shot her.
john pierce
Well, I mean, some people think that they know.
I've seen allegations, but nothing's been confirmed.
Yeah, no, that's right.
I mean, they have not officially named the person who fired that shot.
And why is that?
I mean, where's the explanation for why that is?
ian crossland
I would say because as political imprisonment is a type of thing, so is political protection.
john pierce
And both Yeah, and the issue is, look, the issue is if this was kind of, you know, look, just, I mean, imagine, I think, I mean, if it was converse, uh, in terms of the politics, um, I don't think, I don't, I don't think that, um, you know.
tim pool
That guy would be, like, strung up in D.C.
john pierce
Exactly.
That name would not be, you know.
tim pool
His house would be burnt to the ground.
unidentified
Publicly.
tim pool
His business.
ian crossland
Paraded.
Right.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, they go after him like crazy.
I mean, there was a report from the New York Times where they went, the Portland rioters, where they're marching around, stopped at some guy's house and then started like yelling at him for him to come out.
They threatened to burn down his home for simply waving an American flag.
So, of course, we know if there was a bunch of, you know, let's just call them pink hats, like when they shut down the Congressional building that one time and they occupied, or when they're banging on the doors of the Supreme Court trying to get the door open, if one of them took a hit.
john pierce
Yeah.
unidentified
Oof.
john pierce
Well, it's also like, look at the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearings.
tim pool
Right.
Banging on the doors.
john pierce
They were trying to shut down that.
You know, they were trying to shut down that.
Insurrection.
And let me touch on the insurrection idea, okay?
Because just from a legal standpoint, a factual standpoint, I mean, that is nonsense.
Because, well it is, I mean, hear me out, which is just that that's an actual crime.
I mean, insurrection is a crime.
Yeah.
And you can be sure.
tim pool
Can you be charged with insurrection?
john pierce
Absolutely.
tim pool
And none of them have been charged with insurrection?
john pierce
Zero.
tim pool
So ridiculous.
john pierce
So you can be sure that if the federal prosecutors felt like the elements of the crime of insurrection were met, I'm confident out of 550 cases and counting probably going up to close to 1000 at some point, there would be some such charge.
tim pool
For those that are listening and not watching, because we do the podcast, John held up a zero sign.
Yeah, just none, none.
You know, we saw the Capitol Police, they're expanding nationally.
john pierce
I saw that.
tim pool
I've heard some other rumors too, but just for now, it's like they're gonna set up a couple offices.
I have a soft prediction in that I think once they get all of the people who are actually in the capital, they're gonna go after material support.
They're gonna be like, our mission isn't over, we gotta track down these extremists who are providing material support for these individuals who engaged in insurrection, blah blah blah.
john pierce
It doesn't seem right now like there is much of an end in sight for a little while there.
It felt like, and I'm not sure if I felt like I heard this from, you know, the DOJ or from a prosecutor in a public hearing, but it kind of felt like they were preparing to wind down with respect to rounding folks up, you know, that they might charge another hundred or so folks and it might be, you know, five hundred, fifty, six hundred that are charged.
It seems like they're almost reinvigorated right now with respect to... They need this.
tim pool
They absolutely need this.
john pierce
Well, look, the country's obviously not going very well with respect to inflation and with respect to foreign policy and with respect to all kinds of things.
So, you know, there's a narrative that... We got an election year coming.
We do.
tim pool
Republicans are predicted by many to sweep.
I mean, I think even FiveThirtyEight's already saying Republicans are expected to take control of the House.
john pierce
I mean, I would be—I'm not an expert.
tim pool
Then they'll impeach Biden.
No, they won't, they won't.
Republicans are too weak.
john pierce
I'm not an expert, you know, political analyst, but I—look, I mean, the regular people in the middle of this country see what's going on on every front.
They all want a basic degree of law and order.
They all don't want to see their gas prices go up to $10 or whatever it might go up to.
They all want to feel like we do not live in a authoritarian surveillance state.
So I believe it's going to be a huge red wave in 2022.
tim pool
Do you think the Republicans should impeach Joe Biden?
Wasn't it Marjorie Taylor Greene?
She was like, she introduced a bill to impeach him already.
john pierce
Yeah, you know, I think that would be reckless to say at this point.
I mean, here's the thing that's happening.
It's bad in the last several years in this country.
And this is what brought down the Roman Republic, for sure, is the weaponization of criminal law to attack political opponents.
Because what happens is that becomes a vicious, vicious cycle that descends into violence and retribution very quickly.
Because the political pendulum will swing, naturally.
tim pool
What's the inverse?
If Republicans don't fight back, then basically Democrats just keep wielding power unethically?
john pierce
Look, Republicans have to fight back.
Metaphorically, they have to fight back, and they have to fight back extremely hard on every front.
Look, and politics is a, you know, again, metaphorically, politics is a street fight, you know, and they have to be tough.
But, you know, I'm a lawyer.
You know, I'm a huge believer in the rule of law.
I'm a huge believer in our constitutional republic and in our constitution.
And, you know, I believe that, you know, the right, conservatives, have to do it in a proper way.
You know, if it just goes back and forth with everybody just tossing out the Constitution and just using every possible weapon to destroy their political opponent, I mean, there will be no end to it.
tim pool
Joe Biden lied about being involved in business dealings with his son.
john pierce
Oh, I'm no fan of Joe Biden whatsoever.
tim pool
There are photos of Joe Biden standing with Hunter Biden's business partners from Mexico.
There's the communications, there's the witnesses.
This is well above and beyond.
We can't enter this period where we're like, you know, we have evidence that Joe Biden lied and was engaging in selling his name and power, but we're not going to impeach him because then we'd look like the Democrats for what they did to Trump unjustly.
john pierce
Yeah, no, and make no mistake, when I say, you know, sitting here right now for me to advocate impeachment might be a little bit reckless.
What I'm saying is, you know, I haven't personally taken the time to look, you know, to look at the, you know, the hard drive and to look at the actual evidence.
You know, obviously, I've heard a lot about that.
And if the things that, you know, seem to be on the hard drive, which they seem to be, then yes, impeachment would absolutely be appropriate.
tim pool
It's 100%.
Matt Taibbi dug into the Ukraine stuff.
What was the name of the confidant?
criminal there are multiple I think at least a dozen criminal investigations
into my call as I just can't berisma and Joe Biden got shut down tit-for-tat you
don't want if you want the money you shut this down a million they absolutely
were going after Biden's interests we know because of what was the name of the
confidant for the the Biden family guy who came out I don't remember his name
john pierce
googly now yeah yeah Matt What was his name?
Bubliano or something like that.
tim pool
This confidant comes out and says... And he seemed extremely credible, by the way.
But outside of that, because obviously I can't remember the guy's name, I'll discount that bit of evidence.
But when I was covering a lot of this, I was looking at international news sources, I was fact-checking, I was looking at all of it.
It is beyond a reasonable doubt.
Zlochevsky flees the country.
There's an investigation.
Biden says, we got to get a new prosecutor because that one's corrupt.
And he wasn't going after the corruption.
The new prosecutor comes in.
Burisma guy comes back to Ukraine.
Investigation's over.
You're free to go.
Your money's been unlocked.
Don't worry.
Papa Biden came in and saved your butt.
Donald Trump gets in.
Dude flees to Monaco.
It's like you got to be a special kind of dumb or liar.
So we look at what Donald Trump was accused of.
Please investigate this crime.
We must impeach him!
They impeach him over it.
Now we actually see the photographs, because of the laptop, where Joe Biden is standing with his son's business partners.
What did he say to us?
I have never talked to my son about any of this stuff.
It is beyond a reasonable doubt, based on the investigations that I've done.
And there's still so much more evidence from that laptop that has not been released.
I think Republicans, the first thing they should do is they get in and impeach the guy.
And then let it all lay out in court.
In the Senate trial.
john pierce
If I'm in Congress in 2022, I think there would be a very favorable ear coming from me on that front.
tim pool
Matt Taibbi's no conservative.
You know, and he wrote, he wrote it, he did, he investigated this and he said the claims
that there were no investigation of this are just wrong.
Like none of these people actually did any legwork.
No, it's obvious.
What did Twitter do with the laptop stories before an election?
john pierce
Well that's where I was going to kind of go with this.
tim pool
They're obviously lying.
john pierce
Well, look, it's to the point where, you know, it's, I think it's criminal, you know, conspiracy
that the big tech companies are involved in, likely with foreign powers, to decide to just
cover these things up.
I mean, for them to make the New York Post story about the laptop just go completely dark for, you know, whatever it was, a couple weeks or a month before the election.
A couple weeks after?
ian crossland
What if it was domestic?
They're colluding with domestic powers.
Would that also be criminal?
Or is that legal then because it's American CIA or whatever?
john pierce
I gotta tell you, it's not my field of expertise with respect to the law or anything, but it's got to be in violation of some federal criminal statute for a private entity to intentionally try to cover some of that stuff up.
Actually, as I speak out loud about it, I think one legal theory that has started to come to the fore, which I think is probably a good one, is that it's actually a campaign finance violation.
And I think there have been lawsuits filed about this because they are, you know, and again, I'm not a campaign finance expert, but certainly what it seems to be is them providing an in-kind contribution to the campaign that is, I assure you, was probably not reported and it was, you know, probably worth it.
tim pool
I think it would be more criminal.
Suppression is different from promotion.
You know, if they're promoting an ad about Biden for free, then you can argue they're giving him an in-kind donation.
suppressing negative news, that's something else. That is causing, I mean, you've got some civil
torts there, I suppose, with harming the New York Post under false pretenses and defaming the New
York Post. The New York Post should have sued for defamation when they said it was hacked materials
and the Post said repeatedly it was not hacked. It's libelous.
john pierce
They absolutely should have, and obviously... They still can, right?
It's not been that long.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What's the statute of limitations?
john pierce
It differs by jurisdiction.
Sometimes it's a year, sometimes it's two years.
tim pool
They've still got time.
john pierce
It's certainly at least a year.
But like we talked about, people like James O'Keefe have started to step up and start to sue these companies.
Look, it's got to be those big organizations that have resources to do it, because regular Americans can't do it.
tim pool
All right, so here's what we need.
New York Post, why aren't you filing defamation against Facebook and Twitter for claiming that the materials you had were hacked even though you stated several times they were not hacked materials?
They lied to the public and they used it as a pretext to cause harm to your business.
You've got clear damages in the amount of views you lost based on the size of the story and the percentage of suppression on the story.
If they said they're suppressing it, file Some kind of suit against them.
Go to Discovery.
I want to see their algorithms.
I want to know what percentage you were suppressed.
Hey, make that information public.
Then we'll know how much money you lost.
Then we'll actually have a claim against them, or the people will actually get to see someone fighting back.
Well, the New York Post hasn't done that.
I don't know why.
The other thing is, Joe Biden should be impeached.
Just bring it on, Republicans.
Win in 2022.
First day, the first thing that should happen, they should rubber stamp that impeachment, send it to the Senate.
john pierce
Hey, I'm not going to stand in the way of Joe Biden impeachment.
tim pool
But you know, they're going to love it.
They're going to be like, oh no, now Kamala Harris is president.
john pierce
There's that too.
You know, there's also the... I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happens.
Well, there's also, you know, the 25th Amendment lurking in the background.
There's obvious health issues that are lurking in the background.
tim pool
Have you seen the photo of Lori Lightfoot meeting with Biden?
I'm not sure that I've... She's got this look on her face of dislike.
Like, oh no.
And some people were claiming, like, that look when people finally meet Biden, they realize, this guy is broken.
Like, it's worse than we realized.
john pierce
And I think it seems to have accelerated, even since the inauguration.
I mean, you know, he's over there, you know, traveling Europe, and I think he was giving a speech before the British military, and it's like, literally, a sentence can't be put together.
tim pool
And that's... He was able to say, Trudin on a shot of pressure.
I mean, that's a hard word for me to say.
john pierce
What was the word again?
tim pool
Tru-in-an-on-a-shaba-da-pressure.
I had to try really hard to figure out how to say that word.
Is that like supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?
He said it!
He said Tru-in-an-on-a-shaba-da-pressure.
He also said madcap care.
lydia smith
Perfectly.
ian crossland
Tru-international-something-under-pressure.
john pierce
I don't know.
ian crossland
I'm gonna have Tru-in-an-on-a-shaba-da-pressure.
tim pool
I'd like to hear him rap.
He could probably rap pretty well.
No, no, but he could give him an image.
If he didn't say that intentionally, that's the point.
john pierce
Except he wouldn't make it nine miles, right?
Nine miles.
ian crossland
If the New York Post went at Biden, or sued Twitter rather, and then it came out that actually the CIA instructed us to do this, so now would they have immunity?
john pierce
God, I mean, there's so many fundamental constitutional issues that it raises.
If this national security state was involved in that, I don't even know where to begin.
tim pool
Isn't it true, though, that Democrats in California were telling Twitter who to ban?
john pierce
Have you heard that story?
I have heard that story, and I have to believe it's probably correct.
Again, with some of these things, I'm so busy with some of these cases that I don't have time to do the same kind of research and really look at the raw data that might be useful.
But it would shock me if that weren't the case.
tim pool
I have to pull it up, because we talked about it before, but basically there were communications between Democrats saying like, hey, look at this, and they're like, oh, we'll get rid of it.
john pierce
Look, I think there's no doubt that, look, all of these things are connected.
I mean, the radical left has overtaken, you know, essentially every major sort of institution in the country from academia to Wall Street to Silicon Valley to, you know, now federal law enforcement.
ian crossland
And was it Mark Milley?
john pierce
Oh, don't get me started.
I mean, I'd love to get started.
That was disgraceful.
As I mentioned to you before the show, I served in the 1st Cavalry Division in the mid-90s, and I was airborne, and I'm extremely proud of that, and I love this country.
For a four-star general to buy into this critical race theory garbage that is so toxic and so poisonous and is tearing this country apart, it's sickening.
The United States military has one job, and one job only, that is to close with and destroy the enemies of the United States.
tim pool
You know, the most worrying thing to me about what Mark Milley said was that it shows we have a four-star general who is inept and incapable of critical thought.
Right, so here's a guy who's supposed to be thinking and like analyzing the battlefield and instruct, you know.
john pierce
But that should not surprise you in the sense that in a peacetime military, when I say peacetime, I mean, you know, a peacetime military with respect to great power conflict.
The best and the brightest of the officer corps does not rise to the level of general.
The best and the brightest of the officer corps, you know, serves their, you know, four years honorably and then, you know, has the ability to go out and do some More creative, interesting things in the private sector.
You know, the people who rise to the level of general in a peacetime military, you know, as we classically know from the Civil War, are not... Political.
They're political.
They do PowerPoint presentations for a living.
Essentially, they do PowerPoint presentations for a living.
tim pool
So what happens if a war breaks out?
john pierce
We have major, major, major problems.
I mean, look, historically, again, you go back to the Civil War, I mean, the Union had massive problems with terrible generals in the beginning of the Civil War.
It's huge.
And so, you know, now with this sort of a wokeness layered on top of it, look, there will be another major power conflict.
It will probably be sooner rather than later because of the weakness we now portray to the world, and we're gonna have a problem
because of the sort of the wokeness in the Pentagon and the attempt to make it a social experiment,
diversity engineering training program or whatever they're doing.
It's bad.
tim pool
Yeah, so.
john pierce
I mean, if China invades Taiwan tomorrow, and don't be surprised if it's not too, too far away,
let's hope they don't.
But if they do, I mean, you know.
tim pool
Let's throw a little bit of Rome in there.
Was there a war conflict with Rome during their collapse?
There was, right?
Or was it barbarians?
ian crossland
Julius Caesar, and you might know even more about this, John, was leading his troops up north, and he basically conquered all of Gaul.
He was returning as the hero of Gaul, and they were going to try and get him on political charges and put him away.
john pierce
That's right.
So what started happening in the Roman Republic is that So when you were in Rome as a leader, you were immune to kind of lawfare.
You were not allowed to, you know, do this thing where you just bring like lawsuits and lawsuits and lawsuits.
But once you're out of power, you know, then they could do that to you.
And they started to do that.
And Julius Caesar being seen as the threat that he was, and being outside of Roman territory, and at that point being a military leader, not a tribune or anything like that, he had the classic choice to make as to whether to cross the Rubicon with his army.
And he made that choice because he was facing political and probably physical extermination, or he was going to win.
He was going to win or he was going to lose.
ian crossland
That was the thing about threatening to impeach and use political things to go after your political opponents is that eventually one of them is going to snap.
And that's what Caesar did.
He crossed the Rubicon, which is basically the Was it a wall or something?
john pierce
No, it's a river.
I think it's more of a stream than a river, but it's very famous.
ian crossland
It's like, um, it protects, it borders Rome and it's symbolically, you are not allowed to bring military troops beyond the Rubicon.
john pierce
That's correct.
ian crossland
That violates Roman, but he did it.
He was like, you know what?
It's either, either I don't and they arrest me and they destroy me or I take control of the city.
john pierce
That's right.
And look, at a certain point, when tyranny becomes extreme enough, it creates the conditions for certain things to happen.
tim pool
What if we're in the calm before the storm?
A lot of people thought that 2020 was the time at which Trump was facing all these charges, so would he cross the Rubicon?
The left is trying to claim that he did with January 6th, but he clearly did not.
But what if 2024 is when, you know, because maybe Trump said, look, we're going to run again.
We'll run in 2024 and we'll win.
We're going to win back the house.
We're going to run again.
We'll win.
But what if, what happens if something happens and Trump doesn't win?
ian crossland
We have social media.
You can't take the Capitol.
That doesn't exist anymore.
Our government is decentralized now, so there's no place to march troops into.
tim pool
It'd have to be some organized digital cyber... You'd have to shut down all communications.
ian crossland
Takeover.
Yeah, it'd be a crazy organized thing.
What do you think?
I cannot see one guy doing that right now.
john pierce
Certainly 2024 is... I mean, we used to say that 2016 was going to be one of the most important elections ever, and then 2020 was going to be one of the most important elections ever.
2024 is going to be Extremely, extremely high stakes.
I happen to believe that, and I like Donald Trump.
I'm a big, big Trump fan.
I hope that he runs again.
I think he has unfinished business, and I think he can turn the country around.
I personally believe he is going to win by such a massive margin in 2024 that, you know, we're not going to have issues, and I pray that that's the case.
tim pool
I agree.
I agree.
At least for now.
We'll see.
It's very, very early on.
john pierce
It is.
tim pool
We're in one of the worst years for political shows.
So this is for everybody who can understand.
I tell people like, the year after the presidential election, it's just like your lowest traffic, lowest ad rates.
It's brutal.
Then you get the midterm, which everything improves.
Then you get the primary year for the presidential in 2023.
So then it's like everything picks back up and boy, our election year is great for political content, but we're in that lull.
So we have so much.
john pierce
I think you're going to have a really good 2024.
tim pool
I don't think so.
Well, for your show, for your viewers.
I'm not entirely convinced.
I think people need to understand that 2016 was insane.
How insane it was.
I was in San Jose and I watched this mob outside a Trump rally chase down some 16-year-old kid, attacking him.
I saw a guy who got punched in the mouth because someone said he was a Trump supporter but he was actually a Bernie supporter.
I watched them shove an elderly couple in their late 60s to the ground, grab their MAGA hats and set them on fire, cheering.
I watched a guy walking out going, yay Trump!
And a guy runs up with a bag and whacks him in the head with it.
I filmed this video, it gets a million views in a day.
That was, I think, 2015.
That's how insane things were.
Then we get 2020.
Look at what happened with January 6th.
At the very least, a riot at the Capitol.
Insane.
And I keep telling people, I see no reason for this to de-escalate.
Now you're getting the brunt of the federal government going after Trump supporters?
Do you think people are sitting there just being like, well it sucks but I'm gonna calm down?
Or do you think they're being like, stop and leave me alone!
Now I'll tell you, the funniest smear against me, the SPLC, posted this tweet of mine.
Where I said something like, I think we've passed the point of no return.
The bridge has been, the nation has been so divided we can never go back and civil war seems inevitable.
And I was quoting a story.
I was actually quote tweeting somebody.
And the story said that like far-right groups wear t-shirts calling for a second civil war.
So basically I'm like, the news reported these far-right groups are driving around demanding civil war.
And I'm like, feels like a civil war is gonna happen.
And they criticized me for it.
As if it was my idea.
Listen.
It's gotten so insane in this country.
john pierce
It's bad.
tim pool
And right now we're in this lull year.
So it feels like everything's maybe chilled a little bit.
But look what they're doing with the 1-6 commission.
Look what they're doing with setting up Capitol police offices.
When we get in the midterms and the Republicans are looking like they're going to win, the Democrats are going to start ripping their hair out and banging their faces on the wall, screaming at the top of their lungs.
2023, when Trump gets back up on stage and says, ladies and gentlemen, I am running for president one more time.
And everyone goes, and screams, cheering, and they're throwing drinks in the air, whatever.
The Democrats will start pulling their hair out again.
It is going to be worse than we saw in 2016.
It is going to be worse than we saw in 2020.
I'm not entirely, I'm saying these things to be pessimistic.
I'm saying there's going to be a conflict.
Understand why.
Maybe it will be like the scale of conflict.
We don't know, but come on.
I love this.
I've talked about the potential for civil war.
There's been a bunch of studies.
Some national security experts, there was a story, I think it was in the Atlantic, said that they estimated between 35% and like 95% chance of a civil war in the United States, and I thought that was insane.
ian crossland
It's like 1% to 99% chance of a civil war.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
It was because there was like 16 people interviewed, there was a wide range of what they thought, but the average was something like 65% to 70%.
So then I have people say to me, they're like, so Tim, remember last year when you were saying that we were headed towards a civil war?
Yeah, what happened with that?
And I'm like, a bunch of people rioted at the Capitol, and they go, oh.
I'm like, did you think that things calmed down since then?
So a few years ago, and I was like, man, if this stuff keeps happening, it's going to get worse.
Now we've got the 1-6 stuff going on.
They're going after all these people.
Do you think that when they go after that little old granny where the cop holds the door open for her and threatens her?
Or how about when the feds went to that Alaska woman's house and kicked her door in or whatever?
Wrong person.
Do you think regular people are sitting back like, this is fine?
Or do you think people are being antagonized to the point where their brains are going to explode?
ian crossland
You made me think of that meme with a dog sitting in the house on fire going, this is fun.
john pierce
Yeah, I totally agree that the level of intensity is being ratcheted up, you know, to a very dangerous extent.
And I agree that it will continue to do so in the current course that we're on until 2024.
So I totally agree with you that we're going to see, you know, we're gonna see the same kind of and probably more conflict
during the election than we did in 2016 and 2020. I just believe and I hope and I pray that Trump
wins by such a margin that it kind of puts everything... A 49 state landslide. Hey, I really
think it could be big.
I think that, you know, like you said, like I think you just said, I mean, regular, I think the left terribly underestimates regular Americans.
And I think when they think that they have an advantage, they press it and they overreach very much.
tim pool
But I've heard a lot, there's been a lot of historical comparisons, so obviously we're talking about Rome and crossing the Rubicon, but I mean, are there really that many similarities, or is it just like a few things that people like to reference, right?
john pierce
You talked about lawfare, you talked about... Oh, oh, oh, look, I mean, I think it's...
I forget who it is.
One of my second or third favorite podcasters after you, Dan Carlin, has a podcast named Hardcore History, and it's really, you know, amazing.
And he's, you know, big series on Rome, big series on Genghis Khan, that he calls him, that I love, and Alexander the Great, who I'm a huge fan of.
But he's fond of saying that, you know, history doesn't necessarily repeat, but it rhymes.
And it rhymes because human nature is eternal.
And there are trends and forces that change.
There are individuals that rise to significance who have such a force of nature that they can alter things.
So, you know, you can't say, hey, we're exactly in a situation that the Roman Republic is in, and we're heading in the exact same direction and outcome.
But there are definite, definite similarities, for sure, that we should draw lessons from, you know, and try to avoid, you know.
tim pool
A lot of people have likened it to Weimar Germany.
Yeah, I was thinking about the Reichstag.
But some people have likened it to the Spanish Civil War.
john pierce
I look, I think I think the 1930s comparison to, you know, to the to the threat of the Third Reich is very apt in the following sense, which is, you know, and people are talking about this, some of them, but I don't think enough are.
But I think that I think that the Chinese Communist Party is an existentially dangerous threat to us and to freedom in the world right now.
I don't think we're paying enough attention to it.
I don't think we've been serious enough about it.
I think we need to completely decouple from China, and we need to isolate them and be building sort of an alliance of liberty that Steve Bannon, one of my other favorite podcasters, likes to say with nations like Japan and India and Australia, and we need to be preparing for things.
ian crossland
One of the things about the German, how it reminds me of Weimar Germany, is the burning of the Reichstag, which happened right after Hitler got into power, I think it was 1933.
The building, the Capitol Parliament building, burned down.
And he blamed the communists.
john pierce
That was a false flag.
ian crossland
Apparently no one's been able to prove, and they've done the math, and they're like, there's no way one guy could light the whole building on fire.
tim pool
But it's an American conspiracy theory.
ian crossland
So theories have arrived that he burned his own Reichstag down and then used that as a reason to lock down the entire country and start stripping them of their civil rights.
tim pool
What was the special security bill that was passed because of that?
ian crossland
The Appeasement Act?
Is that what it's... No, no, the...
john pierce
An act that was passed.
Injure me?
tim pool
It's on the tip of my tongue.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
It's on the tip of my tongue.
I don't know the answer.
ian crossland
The Enabling Act.
tim pool
The Enabling Act.
That's what it was.
Ah, I was so close.
It starts with an A and I'm like, Enabling Act!
ian crossland
The Enabling Act.
What a nice benign name.
tim pool
That was his excuse.
He's like, we need more power.
We need to start arresting people and we're watching similar things.
And it's now, like you said, it doesn't repeat, it rhymes.
A lot of people come out and they're like, oh, Nazi Germany.
I'm like, look, it's going to be different, but it's going to be similar in a lot of ways.
What are we seeing?
We have an ideological faction, demands purity.
They are racial identitarians.
They want law based on race and they're indoctrinating children.
A lot of similarities there.
ian crossland
That's a fact.
And then 1-6, you've got, I don't even like saying 1-6, it makes it sound like 9-11, but
like this thing, I don't know that it was a false flag.
I've heard that there were police officers involved with letting people into the building.
That's a fact.
john pierce
That's a fact.
That is a fact.
I have one client named Alan Hostetter, you know, former police chief from Orange County, and he might be someone you want to have on the show someday to talk all about this because he's happy to talk all about it.
But, you know, he is an individual, you know, who seems to have had federal agents around him for a long time leading up to January 6th.
And so, you know, there's just serious, serious questions.
tim pool
There's numerous videos where the police open the door to allow people in and They were urging people.
john pierce
Sometimes they were letting people in sometimes they were urging cops are taking selfies with people
tim pool
They're like hey in one video cop says don't agree with it But I agree with your right to protest as people walk past
ian crossland
them waving so it could have The police were in on it.
disorganization or it could have been intentionally like hey we can use this as an excuse to impose
tim pool
I think I think y'all are missing the bigger picture the police were in on it each and
every one of those capital police officers were like no we're gonna let all of our Trump
MAGA friends in the building.
So each and every one of these cops, why aren't they being investigated?
Why aren't they being indicted?
john pierce
So I will tell you, we're going to put a lot of Capitol Police officers on the witness stand when we try these cases.
tim pool
Why did you open the door for these people?
john pierce
That's a pretty good cross-examination question too.
tim pool
Yeah.
john pierce
It really is.
tim pool
Let the jury hear that question.
What's it going to say?
Here's a video of you opening the door and letting them in.
ian crossland
I want to do a burger riot!
That's what I would have said.
I wanted to avert a riot.
So I let him in so they didn't smash me up.
tim pool
Okay.
Is it trespassing?
ian crossland
Not if I let him in.
tim pool
Haven't you seen the episode of Simpsons where I think it's Wiggum or someone tells Homer that if someone enters your property, you can kill him.
And he goes, Hey, Flanders.
I think it doesn't work if you invite him in.
ian crossland
He's like, aw.
john pierce
That does create an analytical legal problem.
ian crossland
What if you invite them in under duress?
tim pool
What does that mean?
ian crossland
Meaning that you fear for your life.
So you let them pass.
john pierce
Like, someone, you're like three levels into the movie Inception.
ian crossland
Yeah, so I'm the cop and it's not that I'm like, hey, come over here and go in.
I'm like, these people are going to break me up.
tim pool
If someone is at the front of your building and they have, like, weapons and they're threatening you and so you're scared and you open your door, then I understand.
In these videos, quite literally, it's a bunch of old people doting about, waving little American flags, and the police just open the door up, stand aside, and say, don't agree with it, but agree with your right to protest as people walk in.
There's another video where the cop literally just opens the door, and one cop poses for a selfie with people!
Like, dude, you're not gonna tell me that's duress.
Now, I think those cops got in trouble, right?
The selfie cops?
john pierce
I don't know the answer to that question.
I do know there's another video that just came out that appears to show folks sort of frantically changing into, you know, different attire, sort of better trees.
tim pool
Yeah, I've seen that.
I've seen that.
There's a video where one of the first breaches in the building, they were all in black clad, you know, blackout gear to obscure who they were and their identities.
And that's not a typical thing of Trump supporters.
john pierce
That certainly is not.
tim pool
But there were a bunch of Trump supporters who said they were going to dress like Antifa.
john pierce
The key thing is, and again, I have to discipline myself to be careful about talking about the merits of these cases, but the important thing is, where's the video?
Where's the 14,000 or 15,000 hours of video?
Now, to be fair, the Department of Justice and the prosecutors say, and I believe that they are in the process of setting up a massive database in the cloud that will have all that video that will allow Defense Counsel to search through it.
That is still gonna take a long time to get set up and it's gonna take a massive amount of time to review all of that because we need to review all of it to understand, you know, what happened that day.
I also believe we should be seeing some video from before and after that day.
I mean, you know, why is it just relevant?
You know, what the video shows for January 6th, January 5th, and January 7th.
tim pool
I think it's important to point out there were violent people.
Lots of them.
There's a lot of video that's ridiculous.
There are people from the barricades out storming up and ramming police.
We had Richie McGinnis, I think.
This guy's everywhere.
He really is.
He was actually squeezed in between rioters shoving against these cops.
And one cop's like screaming as he's being crushed.
So all that stuff definitely happened.
Now the problem is the Democrats on the left show that.
And they say, look, look, look, look, look.
And I think it is partially a problem that many on the right are just like, showing the cops opening doors.
Let's talk about all of it.
There were people there engaging in very bad activities, right?
But there are a lot of people who are being charged when they were essentially welcomed into the building, confused and not understanding what was going on.
john pierce
That is just accurate, what you just said.
And you know, very interestingly, and I'm not a fan of FBI Director Christopher Wray.
I mean, when Christopher Wray was asked questions by, I forget which Republican congressman it was, and asked, hey, constituents in my district are wondering about these people who were, you know, ushered into the building and that they're being charged.
You know, how many people are there like that?
And, you know, in classic Christopher Wray fashion, you know, he dodged and ducked and prevaricated and simply would not, just simply would not go there and would not even remotely answer the question.
tim pool
Because it's political.
It's for power.
Never let a good crisis go to waste.
john pierce
That is one of the tried and true tactics of all time with respect to taking over.
tim pool
No, I don't think the riot is on par with the burning of the Reichstag or whatever.
ian crossland
Nothing really got destroyed, did it?
tim pool
They burned down the building, didn't they?
ian crossland
No, no, on January 6th.
tim pool
There were some actual historical artifacts that took some damage when Windows got broken in.
There was like an old bookshelf or something.
ian crossland
They burned the entire Reichstag.
I don't think anyone died during that.
tim pool
Yeah, so it doesn't really matter, though, because there was something symbolically destroyed.
It was the normal process by which they certified the electoral votes.
So that process is shocking to people.
It wasn't a physical destruction.
It was more of a metaphysical, you know, abstract.
ian crossland
Oh, they interrupted the process, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, and so it feels like an attack on the structures of the country.
unidentified
It's, you know, abstract.
john pierce
There's actually an interesting legal issue on that front, which we've filed, you know, some motions on in our cases, which is that it is actually unclear under the existing case law as to whether or not, you know, that process that day, the certification of the electoral votes actually qualifies as legally and technically an official proceeding as that is interpreted under the case law.
Because those have to have a quasi-judicial function to them that it can be argued did not exist that day.
Now that is unsettled.
The courts will decide that.
But I really believe, and I've said many times, I think the institutions that really fell down in all of this, so to speak, are the state legislatures, especially including GOP-controlled state legislatures.
Because the Constitution is designed to avoid something like this, and it's very clear.
If there are any questions, the state legislatures can and should, not on January 6th, we're talking about back in December when the Electoral College meets in the states, they are allowed to, very clearly under the Constitution, simply not send a slate of electors because they feel there are questions.
If that occurs, and if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes, it goes to the House under the 12th Amendment, where each state delegation gets one vote, and there is a process.
tim pool
The Republicans don't like Trump.
john pierce
The establishment Republicans certainly don't like him.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
And there's been the insurgent Republicans, the populist Republicans, people who have joined the Republican Party for the first time.
When I was covering one Trump rally in Florida back in 20, I think it was 2016, Actually, maybe it was 2015, I'm not sure.
But there was a woman who said, I met a lot of people like this.
They had never voted before.
They were totally independent.
They considered themselves actually to be kind of liberal, but didn't really pay attention to politics.
Trump came along and he was saying the things they wanted to hear, and so for the first time they were voting.
A lot of people like that joined the Republican Party.
This started to change things, and the establishment Republicans who had a bunch of A bunch of people who would vote R no matter what for whatever reason, just because they were tribalist, were upset by it.
Trump is bombastic, he's... He rocks the boat.
Yeah, he rocks the boat, he's demanding, he commandeered the shit, and they were more than happy to get rid of him.
john pierce
Well, there's no question about that, and I do think those new folks, those populist folks, are ascendant in the Republican Party, and I'm one of them, and I hope that they are.
But, you know, I know you're from Chicago, I'm from Western Pennsylvania, and you recall there was a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
tim pool
That massive, massive one?
john pierce
Massive, okay?
So for 55, whatever the number was, for 55,000 people to show up yelling and screaming at the top of their lungs for Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Okay, Western Pennsylvania is historically a very, you know, old-school kind of FDR labor Democrat type of type of area, you know, conservative, socially conservative, but very Democrat.
For that many people to show up that ferociously, frenetically enthusiastic for Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania speaks volumes.
And I think that rally in 2024 might be, you know, two or three times that size.
tim pool
Have you heard about those books, about Barron Trump and the last president?
You ever hear about those?
john pierce
I have not.
I see that he's really, Barron's very tall.
I've seen, that's one thing I've seen.
Yeah, was he 6'7"?
Yeah.
I think he's 6'7".
That's the most recent thing I've seen about him.
Is that, he's 6'7"?
lydia smith
He is 6'7".
unidentified
What?!
lydia smith
Trump Tower.
john pierce
Yeah.
tim pool
Wow, dude.
What if, like, we're just totally misunderstanding what's going on, and what's actually gonna happen is in 20 years, Barron Trump, who's this, like, 6'10", you know, guy, runs for president.
He's like, when my dad was president.
He's got this, like, deep voice, and he wins, and then he rules the 9th District.
No, no, there's a book from the 1800s about Barron Trump.
And the final book in the series is called The Last President.
john pierce
And it talks about how... Oh, that's the character's name is Barron Trump?
tim pool
Yes.
Yep, yep.
And The Last President is a book about where I think it's, you know, Trump wins the presidency on November 3rd, 1893 or something.
And then the socialists and anarchists from the Lower East Side of Manhattan storm up to his fortress on Fifth Avenue.
It's like the weirdest thing.
I haven't read it.
That's what we've heard.
And a lot of people are like, how did something like that happen?
So I'll call it a gag conspiracy theory, but there are people who genuinely believe like time travelers went back in time or something like that, something ridiculous.
I was talking to Will Chamberlain, it was really funny, because I was like, there's a conspiracy theory that people travel, time travel, you know, go back in time to stop Donald Trump.
And he goes, that's what you do with time travel?
unidentified
Like, of all the things you could stop, the killing fields?
tim pool
I mean, World War II?
And then I was like, wait, wait, wait, actually, yes, if the Democrats right now had time travel, that's what they would go and do!
john pierce
That'd be their top choice, for sure.
But look, as a Gen Xer, if it does happen, it's just gotta be the Quantum Leap-style time travel, if you remember that show.
tim pool
Oh, of course, yeah, it comes on every day after Stargate.
john pierce
No, it's gotta be Quantum Leap.
tim pool
Those guys are great.
But it's at 7pm so I don't get to watch it.
I only get to see the intro.
Every day I get to hear Sam go, oh boy.
john pierce
Those are the days.
Those are the days.
Simpler times.
tim pool
Ziggy says you can't leap until you get re-elected president.
Why haven't I left yet?
john pierce
Well, there's a new movie.
Have you seen the new Chris Pratt movie Tomorrow War?
tim pool
Yeah, I didn't like it all that much.
john pierce
Oh, you weren't a big fan?
I think I just love Chris Pratt so much that... Easy read.
tim pool
What I didn't like about it was I felt like it was poorly directed.
But I really liked the concept and I really liked the attempt at doing a different kind of story structure.
But there's just like...
Chris Pratt deserves all the support.
He's a good dude.
Yeah, the humor and the action if it I just have to confess if it has Ryan Reynolds or Chris Pratt in it
unidentified
I'm pretty much Chris Chris Pratt deserves all the support.
tim pool
He's a he's a good dude, you know Yeah, he seems to be for sure stands up for what he
believes in to a certain extent, you know He wore the Gadsden shirt and yeah
Supporting people who are pushing back against wokeness and are successful in Hollywood, that's a really important thing.
john pierce
Yeah, it's a rare thing.
Oh, he's great in Magnificent Seven, too.
Are you a Magnificent Seven fan?
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
john pierce
That movie was fantastic.
He's just great in Magnificent Seven.
tim pool
Yeah, he does a good job, man.
We're gonna go see Black Widow on Saturday.
john pierce
If there could be time travel, that's what I would do, is I would go back and be part of the Magnificent Seven crew.
With this new cast.
They all die.
Oh, well.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Yeah!
ian crossland
Not if you went back in time.
tim pool
No, wait, wait, a bunch of them die.
john pierce
Well, several, no, not all of them die.
Just a bunch of them.
Well, there's seven, so I think like, you know, four of them die.
The Mexican guy survives.
tim pool
Okay, no, Ethan Hawke and his... Yeah, and his, the Asian guy.
Or Chris Pratt.
john pierce
And the bear guy dies.
But I think... The Native American guy dies?
No, I think the three that survive are the Mexican guy, who was a vendor being called a Texican, but he was a Mexican guy, and then Denzel survives, and the Native American, Red Harvest survives.
tim pool
Yeah, that's a cool movie.
john pierce
Red Harvest is amazing, with the moving shots, with the bow.
And then he also has the last of all he can seen with the tomahawk and the knife.
Yeah, good movie.
It's a very good movie.
tim pool
Yeah, see, it's not all bad.
We're chilling, you know, as much as the world may be on fire.
We got good movies, at least.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like, um, I'll see a movie poster.
I'll be like, oh, that guy's in this movie.
I'm excited.
And it's like, I don't care what the movie is.
That guy is in it.
I want to watch that guy act.
tim pool
Well, that's how it's always been.
ian crossland
The power of the cult, man, the power of culture, like one human, like you were saying, can rise up and alter everything.
john pierce
I tell you, he's one of those, I mean, as long as we're on it.
I mean, I tell you that one of those guys that I see is one of those guys is, um, are you a fan of the HBO series Deadwood?
tim pool
No, I've not seen it.
john pierce
Oh, Ian McShane, um, you know, he plays, he plays kind of the main sort of bad guy, but with some good traits in Deadwood.
Um, but I think, you know, he, he can, he can tend to be one of those, uh, one of those folks.
Um, but I'll stop.
You're the movie.
Um, yeah, he's great.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He's a good bat.
john pierce
He's a good bad guy.
Yeah, he's very good.
I wasn't a huge fan of the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels.
I loved the first one.
I think the first Pirates of the Caribbean was just an incredibly good movie.
I think the sequels were not that good, and I think he was in one of those sequels, so that's the one caveat I'd give.
ian crossland
I haven't seen any of those.
john pierce
You haven't seen Pirates of the Caribbean?
ian crossland
No, I knew Doubt on movies.
I went to theater school and they were all really anti-cinema.
It was very weird.
john pierce
Yeah.
ian crossland
So I was like, I kind of stopped watching it.
tim pool
It's because theater is a dead medium.
ian crossland
Yeah, they were like, I read plays.
I don't watch TV.
john pierce
The other one that I, my favorite TV show ever is Black Sails on Starz.
You know, that's kind of like Game of Thrones combined with Pirates of the Caribbean.
Oh, that's a terrific, terrific show.
tim pool
Yeah.
When are they going to start making a series about January 6th?
I'm half joking, but... I believe there are multiple ones underway.
Yeah, right?
john pierce
Yes.
There are multiple, both series and documentaries that are underway.
lydia smith
Yeah, they just came out with one.
I'm not sure what news organization just published it.
john pierce
Well, I think that there are... I mean, I know that there are a couple that HBO is working on.
tim pool
Showtime series on January 6th.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
So it must not be that big of a deal then.
Cause like, are there any movies about COVID yet?
Or is it too, it's one of those too soon.
john pierce
I think there's, I think, I think there's a, there's a pandemic, I think it's called, uh, which is kind of a documentary that I think.
tim pool
They like, they like doing these, like, uh, it's Hollywood.
So they're leftist and they like doing movies that can push politics through culture.
Like when they did, um, what was that Fox movie where they went after Roger Ailes or whatever.
john pierce
Oh, yeah.
Oh, Bombshell.
Yes.
Well, there's a couple.
Yes.
I was thinking of the HBO one where Russell Crowe plays Roger Ailes in the HBO one, I think.
But I like Bombshell.
unidentified
I thought Bombshell was very entertaining.
tim pool
The story about what Roger Ailes was doing.
Sure, he sounds like a bad dude, right?
But are they going to pick up a movie about, like, I don't know, Antifa burning down buildings?
ian crossland
Yeah, I mean, they'll wait till it's politically expedient.
Same thing with virus movies.
tim pool
When the left needs to regain control from Antifa, then they'll make, you know, Red Dawn U.S.
john pierce
When their own starts to get eaten, which always happens with that kind of political philosophy.
But, you know, look, with respect to buildings being burned down, and you probably know more about this than I do, but I mean, with respect to, like, Kenosha, for example, I mean, you know, there were houses, there were multi-level houses Yeah.
And what did the cops do?
there were spray painting on the houses, you know, please don't burn this house down because there's
a disabled person like on the top floor. Yeah. I mean, this isn't this isn't Kenosha like on,
you know, Lake Michigan, I suppose. And what did the cops do? The cops didn't do anything about it.
The local and state government of Wisconsin completely and totally abdicated its most
basic fundamental, you know, obligations to actually provide law and order.
You know, it's obviously happened in other cities as well with these CHOP zones and, you know, CHAZ zones or whatever they're called.
tim pool
No-go zones.
john pierce
You know, and that's totally unconstitutional.
I mean, that violates the guarantee of a Republican with a little R government.
tim pool
Yeah, well, the police took away your right to defend yourself.
And now that you can't, the extremists and the criminals and the rule breakers and the law breakers can do what they want.
Then when their political allies take the DA, the police don't even go after the crimes that are more extreme.
john pierce
It almost sounds like a system we're playing.
ian crossland
Yeah, you were saying earlier the tracks we're on is dangerous.
I think you're right, because we can't talk about certain things on YouTube.
Not that YouTube's the only place to have content, like we can talk about it on TimCast.com or whatever, but...
There's things we can't talk about regarding the chaos that is disturbing, that we can't debate, dissect, analyze.
john pierce
It's very unsettling as Americans to have that sensation.
I mean, you know, I'm much older than anybody in the room, I think.
But I mean, you know, even, look, growing up and even I'm sure when you were growing up, I mean, the sensation in America was that you could like, you know, really, you know, argue it out and hash it out and like stay up all night in college and like debate anything and talk about anything as long as, you know, as long as you're civil to the other person.
tim pool
Do you remember Skokie, Illinois in the ACLU?
john pierce
I know that there is something very relevant with respect to Skokie and the ACLU, but I can't put my mind on it right now.
tim pool
It was a bunch of neo-Nazis who were marching through a Jewish neighborhood and the ACLU defended them.
john pierce
Defended them.
And that's exactly, so that's a perfect example, and thank you for reminding me, of why I started the NCLU.
Because the only way to preserve the Constitution is to fight for the rights of those who you despise the most when it comes to their I did not see that.
And right now it happens to be, it is conservatives that are needing protection right now, but
tomorrow it's going to be liberals.
tim pool
You see what China just did with banning LGBT groups?
john pierce
I did not see that.
tim pool
WeChat, one of their largest social platforms, banned a bunch of LGBT accounts.
So you can see what power does.
In the United States, just so happens, the left communist faction and the Marxists have
a lot of institutional authority.
And people need to understand this, that there is a massive infiltration of Marxism in this
government.
What they need to understand about critical theory and Marxism is it's the idea of the
oppressed and the oppressor.
john pierce
Right.
That is... That the system is inherently, you know, bad and evil and must be torn down.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So it's not about, like, Stalin sneaking into the government.
It's about, quite literally, there are people in the government, the military is doing it, the... What did we just have?
Was it Lockheed?
Where they were like, you know, white people gotta recognize them.
Raytheon.
john pierce
Raytheon.
tim pool
Yeah, so our military-industrial complex, our government, our police forces, our army, are all embracing Marxist theory.
They might not know that, but it literally is Marxist theory.
ian crossland
What's concerning is if it's oppressor and oppressed, and I'm the oppressed, then I overturn the oppressor, then what does that leave?
It leaves me to become the oppressor.
tim pool
It's all meaningless.
It's just power structures.
It's an ideology that is basically like, How can I describe it?
It's like when you look at an atomic structure and you find the one frail atom that when you flick, the whole thing crumbles.
john pierce
Sounds like fluorine.
It's not fluorine.
ian crossland
It's pretty electrostatic or electro-elastic.
john pierce
I mean, this was known as... Hydrofluoric acid.
I mean, what you're talking about is the same as what used to be called critical legal theory, which became actually pretty ascendant at Harvard Law School a couple decades ago.
But it's the same exact idea.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They want to find a way to demonize a villain, create an other.
It's very demagogic, I suppose.
And it works.
ian crossland
So what does it do?
tim pool
But it's really, really quite smart because what they'll do is they'll say, you're a racist.
And quite literally you have like James Lindsay being like, discriminating him on the basis of race is wrong.
And they go, racist!
It's like, okay, that's what it is.
That's what they believe.
ian crossland
If this theory is oppressor and oppressed and the oppressor, the powerful are oppressive by nature.
Is that part of this theory?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
So initially with Marx, you have like the class, right?
The bourgeoisie, the proletariat, the working class, the elites, the political class, et cetera.
Then you get critical race theory where they're like white people.
ian crossland
Critical race theory.
So you replace the bourgeoisie with white people, basically.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
For the race theory, I assume.
tim pool
So now with critical race theory, you have oppressed and oppressors, and the white people are the oppressors, and the people of color are the oppressed.
ian crossland
And is the theory that if you were to remove white people from the equation, that there would no longer be an oppressor?
tim pool
That white people need to recognize their privilege and give up their power.
ian crossland
This is very disturbing.
tim pool
It's meaningless because you can't take your skin color off.
So the idea ultimately is that you will always be an oppressor, no matter what.
john pierce
All of which, of course, is precisely why we have certain laws that just explicitly outlaw this kind of thing.
And it's fascinating to watch some of these state and local governments and corporations attempt to implement laws that are so flatly Uh, illegal and contrary to, like, the civil rights laws, you know, that were passed in the 1960s, but, you know, and they think that they can just get away with it, and they will, unless they're challenged.
tim pool
Critical race theorists hated civil rights.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
One of the core tenets of critical race theory is critique of liberalism.
They felt that the liberal... Liberalism with a little l. Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They thought that the Democrats and desegregation and civil rights was actually depowering their community.
They hated it.
They were very critical of the Democrats.
First of all, you had the Democrats that were pro-segregation, and then also the Democrats started to say, okay, well maybe we'll get behind these bills for a variety of reasons.
And there was a letter circulated during the Ferguson riots among activists that argued segregation was a plot by white Democrats to force black people to exist underneath the economics of the white system.
ian crossland
Is desegregation?
tim pool
Yeah, right.
So what these activists were saying when they were writing this letter, before the end of segregation, when everything was separated, they said black people had their own wealth, their own neighborhoods, their own communities, their own churches, they had their own Wall Street.
Along comes the Democrats and say, hey, we should end segregation.
It's wrong.
And as soon as that happened, you have these two systems where, yes, you have a lot of very wealthy white people, but the black community was building up their wealth.
Now they're forced to exist at a lower economic standard to the white people.
What they were basically arguing was, when you had segregation, a black person would run their own restaurant.
With the end of segregation, the black person would go work for the white man's restaurant.
Now, I think that's a bit silly.
You could still have your own restaurant.
You can still have your own communities.
And I think it's an overtly racist ideology, and the end of segregation was a very, very good thing.
But these activists genuinely believe that we need... that they believe segregation was... it's something they want.
I'll put it that way.
unidentified
Well, and they hate Martin Luther King.
tim pool
But they know that he's popular among liberals, and the liberals are the ones they can exploit.
So they say things like, yay Dr. King, and I always say this to my woke friends, Martin Luther King Jr., Dr. King, he said, I have a dream that one day my four little children will be judged, not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Exactly.
How are you fulfilling Dr. King's dream?
unidentified
And they say, you don't even know what he was about.
tim pool
I go, okay, I guess.
I don't know.
He said those things.
So do you think that allowing schools to implement race-based discrimination is helping Dr. King's
dream or hurting it?
ian crossland
The path is long, let's find out.
tim pool
You're getting a lot of leftists who have no problem criticizing him because it's becoming so prominent and prevalent that they're now much more free to do so.
We talked about this book that's being taught in school.
It's called Not My Idea.
It's a children's book where a little white girl is exposed to the truth by her teachers about race and she's angry with her mom who lied to her and she screams, I'm tired of you lying to me, mom!
Tell me the truth!
I see race!
And the mom says, oh no!
Then there's a whiteness contract with a white hand reaching out and a devil's tail.
Yeah, white people are the devil, they say.
ian crossland
You gotta see this portion.
tim pool
They're teaching this to children in dozens of schools, but in many of these schools, once they get to that portion where it shows the white person as the devil, they stop.
They don't show it, and they say, you can read the rest of the book on your own.
You know why?
It's the insidious nature.
If they come out right now and tell children white people are the devil, their parents will flip out.
But if they give them the beginning of the book, see?
Police brutality is wrong.
They were lying to you.
These liberals might be like, huh, okay.
They have to do it slowly, slowly.
It's insidious.
These liberals are easy to exploit because they look at something and they say, that's unfair.
They've got to do it slowly.
Once enough liberals support this book, then they'll turn the last page and say, white people are the devil.
And then these people go, oh yeah.
john pierce
Well, I think these parents and these moms are starting to stand up in these school board meetings, which I think is a very good thing.
I think when I was driving down here, I went through Loudoun County, which is, of course, where they wanted to shut down debate and they dragged out, the sheriff's deputies dragged out the parents who wanted to actually finish the period of debate that was called for, right?
But, you know, look, the way that these things are going to turn around is that people, you know, people who love this country and, you know, moms at a certain point will protect their kids.
But these folks are going to start running for the school board and they're going to start running for local offices.
And, you know, I mean, good people have to, good people have to get in politics and run for office because that's, I mean, look, that's where the real power is.
That's where the real change comes from is where you can actually take your pen and you can sign, you know, a piece of legislation.
And, you know, I think that's starting to happen.
It certainly feels like it's starting to happen.
ian crossland
I'm starting to think that this 100-year experiment of public school systems is showing its cracks, its flaws, and the dangers of putting your kids in a foreign environment and just letting things happen to them.
tim pool
Strangers can tell your kids whatever and you'll know.
ian crossland
I had so many bad teachers.
tim pool
Just as awful.
unidentified
Terrible, terrible, old, angry.
ian crossland
Evil, worthless, useless.
I'm going to say the worst stuff.
No, they're probably fine people, but just not not able to handle young, a group of 30 kids at a time.
It was terrible.
john pierce
Yeah.
I mean, it's just it's just I mean, there are states like, you know, I suppose New York and California come to mind where I mean, the public education, you know, the public school system seems to be it seems to be disastrous.
And it's hard to know what to do.
I mean, I think the solution is probably multifaceted.
I mean, it involves some degree of school choice.
It involves some degree of You know, getting the funds actually where they need to be to make sure that you can reduce class sizes and, you know, get good teachers in there.
But yeah, I mean, we cannot have a system in this country where, you know, and I'm very fortunate that my kids, you know, go to an amazing private school, but you cannot have a system where, you know, a certain number of elite kids, you know, have teachers who are kindergarten teachers with PhDs and they have an amazing experience and then you have You know, the masses of people whose kids are not only in physical danger, but they're being indoctrinated like this.
tim pool
Voucher program?
john pierce
Look, I'm a huge believer in, you know, choice and competition.
And so, you know, school choice and voucher programs and competition, you know, generally speaking, seem to me to be very good ideas.
Very good ideas.
I think, you know, the health care system also needs, you know, more competition.
Um, and whatnot.
I think the trick becomes exactly how to implement these things.
unidentified
Yeah.
john pierce
You know, so that it's actually effective.
But what we have right now in these big blue states and these cities is not... it's just not tenable.
So something else has to be done.
unidentified
Trash.
tim pool
Well, it's just, I mean... The cities themselves, man.
I'm just so... I am anti-city right now.
john pierce
It's not a good time to be in a big city.
tim pool
We were outside in the front today with Andy.
Andy is a guy who's going to be running all the rec area stuff.
He's going to be running the grind bar and we're going to be setting up events and stuff.
We were standing in the front and we were trying to plan out, like,
so where do we build the mega ramp?
Where do we put the giant launch for the skate park?
And it's not about, look, I understand not everybody can go and buy materials for a skate park,
but you have space.
You can walk outside with your friends and just look at the grass and say, what can we do here?
What activities should we have?
In these cities, it's brutal, man.
You live in a cubicle.
Your kids are in a crammed school environment.
The teacher doesn't even know their name.
The teacher's like, who is this?
You're in my class.
Ms.
Wilson, I've been in your class all year.
unidentified
Huh.
tim pool
I can't even tell.
I got too many kids.
I don't want to live in that.
ian crossland
It's awful.
It's a different type of versatility.
john pierce
Look, I think that you're going to have people who want to live a certain way and believe in certain things are going to start self-selecting out of the cities and to be in places that seem safer and in which they're not attacked for having a MAGA hat on.
And, you know, I think that, you know, and obviously with with COVID and the way folks have gotten more used to working remotely, I think it's going to accelerate that trend.
And that and that and that could lead to further, you know, that could lead to further division in the country because, you know, I think we're going to have people sort of segregating themselves away from each other because there's just too much volatility right now.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, we're going to go tomorrow, see a movie, hang out, have some candy and popcorn.
Then we're going to just relax and enjoy a Saturday.
We've been filming it.
We make a vlog out of it.
We're going to start ramping up doing daily vlogs and everything.
But the point is, there's got to be something else to kind of clear your mind and help you focus on other things.
ian crossland
I do music because I want to scream.
When I want to, when I want to exert my rage on someone, I just got to turn it into song.
I got to scream with my body's full vigor.
And it's a bit of a bad for your vocal cords.
Yeah, but it's good for my mind.
tim pool
Play the drums, bro!
ian crossland
And it doesn't hurt other people, because taking it out on someone else is terrible.
tim pool
You can't scream in a city, though.
ian crossland
They do it online in their text, and you can kind of tell when they're reading in their text.
tim pool
But if you live in a city... It's hard to scream in the city.
I lived in Brooklyn.
Can't have drums, can't play guitar.
You can play guitar, but it's like within certain hours, because you hear the pounding on the floor, then... And unless you're really good, your neighbors are going to complain.
Yeah, they're gonna complain no matter what.
ian crossland
They don't always complain if you're really good.
tim pool
I lived, I lived in an apartment where someone in the building worked graveyard shift and they're always like, it's like 5pm and they're like, excuse me, I understand.
But look, man, I got to sleep and we're like, we'll do our best because we're trying to be nice.
john pierce
It's brutal.
I listened to Hardcore History and you know, listen to the stories about how Alexander the Great's mom was, you know, like super difficult sometimes and then after.
After he died from partying too hard, there was like literally like 40 years of warfare among his generals to try to sort things out, which makes you feel like, you know, it could be worse.
ian crossland
I heard that he was poisoned.
Have you heard that theory?
john pierce
Oh, well, for sure.
That's a major theory.
You know, I don't think anybody knows for sure.
ian crossland
I would be surprised if he wasn't at this point.
john pierce
Look, he had put together the largest empire that the world had seen at that point.
And so there was a lot of folks with a lot of motivations to do such a thing.
Look, clearly he seemed to like to have a good time as well.
Um, you know, and so who knows for sure, um, with respect to the, you know, the amount of alcohol that, you know, he, he was, uh, you know, supposed to consume.
Um, but, but no, I would say that the, I would say that the consensus among serious historians is that yes, he was.
ian crossland
He had led all his generals across Persia and was conquering the world, and they were like, OK, we did it.
Can we go home now and enjoy?
john pierce
Yeah, they got basically halfway through India, and they're kind of looking around at the Himalayan mountains and the snow, and they're like, OK, seriously, what's the point?
ian crossland
My assumption was he was like, we're going to go forever.
And they were like, no, we're going to, we have to stop him.
He's gone too far.
john pierce
He's one of the most, I mean, he's one of those fascinating personalities in history and he had an insatiable appetite to conquer everything.
He was, he was, uh, you know, tutored from a young age by what was it?
ian crossland
Aristotle.
john pierce
Um, you know, his, his, his, his mother, his father was one of the most powerful figures of his age that handed him like a Ferrari of an army that was tailor made to take, to take over Persia.
Essentially.
And his mother is one of the most, you know, sort of powerful, fascinating, manipulative, you know, female characters in the ancient period, for sure.
And so, yeah, the Alexander Great Story is a good one.
tim pool
Well, how about we ask the audience over in the Super Chats, if you haven't already, give us a little tap of that Like button, subscribe to this channel, become a member over at TimCast.com, and share the show if you really like it.
All right, the first and most important question.
Hutch the Wolf says, hey, what happened to the stream last night?
Well, we have to be very careful because YouTube is communist, so it's on Rumble.
So, it's on Rumble, and it's on iTunes and Spotify and all the podcast platforms, but it ain't on YouTube, and that's YouTube's fault, so...
Uh, I'll just put it that way.
All right, let's see what we got here.
john pierce
Oh, this is where you take questions from?
tim pool
Yeah, we just read the chats and see what's up.
john pierce
Nice.
tim pool
Mickey Stone says a new dark matter research facility is being built two kilometers underground in Victoria.
If they succeed, Australia will have an infinite energy source.
Is that real?
ian crossland
They've been looking for dark matter for like two decades.
And now that I'm studying quantized inertia, I'm wondering if maybe, you know, there's lots of ways to look at something that exists.
So like this ball of obsidian, you could write different theories explaining the existence of this ball of obsidian from different layers, like one's the cellular theory of behavior, one's the atomic theory of behavior, one's the subatomic theory.
And they're all right, even though they all are different.
So I wonder if dark matter could be explained and there could be theories that explain reality without it.
tim pool
You should go to the university.
john pierce
The only thing I can contribute to that answer is that I think if Australia develops it, there could be a lot worse people that develop it.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
All right, Trevor Schoon says, when talking about crap, Critical Race Applied Principles, you said they consider whiteness property.
Do you all think they will try to put a tax on whiteness?
Do I think?
They've been trying to.
They've come out and said it.
It's called reparations.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
john pierce
So if you're, if you're like a, uh... Well, and they've also, they've also started to, you know, just explicitly, uh, provide more benefits to folks who are not white, whether it be getting a COVID vaccine first or it be certain, you know, financial benefits.
So, yeah.
tim pool
Let's say you're from Ukraine.
Your parents moved to the United States and then they brought you with them as a child.
Or actually, you know, Luke's a good example.
Luke is from Poland.
His family moved here with him when he was young.
He grew up here.
Why is he paying taxes and reparations for something he had nothing to do with?
Because he's white.
So some people receive and some people lose.
Yeah, that's a tax based on race.
All right, let's see.
AngryWaffle2 says, I live very close to Kenosha.
My family still lives there.
If Kyle gets an excessive punishment, we need to rise up or punishing self-defense will be the norm.
Yep.
Yep, so people need to, uh... I can't tell you what the most effective thing to do, but organizing.
You know, understanding protest, understanding your power in media, understanding your power in industry.
You know, this is the funny thing about, like, January 6th.
These people think, and I get these comments from people where they're like, we have to fight, it's the only way, and I'm like, oh, that'll give you control of, like, institutions and colleges?
To indoctrinate children?
No, it won't do anything.
You need to actually be professional, persuasive, resourceful, and get jobs.
You know what people can do?
People want to know how they can fight back?
Apply for a job at Google.
There you go.
Become part.
john pierce
There has to be almost a counter-long march through the institutions to try to start to
take some of these things back.
tim pool
Maximin says, Tim, Facebook wiped all Kyle Rittenhouse and Kenosha shooting content.
Search Facebook for his name or Kenosha shooting, nothing comes up at all.
They're in the process of removing search terms related.
That's because, well, there's two reasons.
One, advertisers don't like it.
It's not good.
And there's probably a political component where they're like, hey, if liberals can't see it happening, they'll just assume the narrative is true.
If people watch that video, they're gonna be like, this guy's defending himself.
john pierce
It makes logical sense because every single video shows that he was defending himself.
Remember, there's like thousands of videos showing it, it's not just one.
ian crossland
He was on the ground, the guy was about to smash his head with a skateboard, could have killed the guy.
john pierce
No, he did the guy at the skateboard did smash his skull with a skateboard and could have easily killed him
unidentified
Whoa!
john pierce
Just with that blow but but the person that I think you know you're talking about is the person with the Glock who
was literally Coming down to shoot him execute. Yeah, he's like walking
tim pool
up to him with the gun easy He's got a goal. He think well he tried to he tried to fit
john pierce
he tried to fake surrender Yeah, he tried to fix. Yeah, he backs up. He tried to fix
ian crossland
her man Kyle What is the what is the precedent like if you go into a mob
where people are fighting?
With a gun and you walk into it you choose to and then they start grabbing at your gun and you start shooting in
defense Are you really defending yourself? Or did you put yourself
in a situation where you're the aggressor you're defending yourself, even though you're defending yourself
tim pool
So, uh, there's a lot of questions, especially as the analogy pertains to Kenosha.
Do you live or work in this area where there's a mob of people?
ian crossland
So that's relevant.
tim pool
Yeah, it is.
If you're supposed to be there or you're defending your community.
More importantly, though, just because there's a group of unruly, unlawful people doesn't mean you as a citizen have no right to exist and bear arms.
john pierce
Or to be there.
I mean, yeah.
tim pool
I got a right to keep in bear arms.
So if I'm walking down... I mean, based on what you're saying, Ian, no one in Chicago should be allowed to have guns, period.
ian crossland
It's kind of that argument of, if you go into a cage with a bunch of hungry bears and the bears attack you, are you going to blame the bears for attacking you?
Or are you going to blame the guy for getting in the bear cage?
Similar with what Andy Ngo was experiencing.
tim pool
Sure, sure.
Yeah, but they're completely different circumstances.
Based on your analogy, no one in Chicago is allowed to defend themselves.
Chicago is ridden with crime, violence, gang activity.
So self-defense is now wrong because you entered this place.
That's different than, don't go out late at night because you'll get mugged.
You go out at night in Chicago, you know you run the risk.
I mean, I've talked to people in Chicago who are saying they're scared to go out at night because it's just constant.
It's getting worse and worse and worse.
So many of them stopped doing it.
Many of them are, you know, people I know are leaving.
We heard about San Francisco.
40% of people polled said they were going to leave because of declining quality of life.
That's different from, do you have the right to defend yourself?
If you have to go, let's say you have a big house and one day you show up and there's a bunch of bears in it.
Are you allowed to go in and fight the bears off?
ian crossland
Yeah, because it's your house.
tim pool
There's a difference between, should you go into the house?
Probably not, unless you can defend yourself.
ian crossland
Good point.
tim pool
So it's like, it might be your house.
There's a bunch of bears in it right now.
You're going to need some help to clear out the bears and in a very, you know, safe way.
But if your family was in there and it was like, your medicine was in there, let's say you're a diabetic and your insulin's in the fridge and you're going to die.
It's like, you have to go in.
ian crossland
Choke a bear.
tim pool
And if the bears attack you, you gotta learn how to fight dead bear with your bare hands.
ian crossland
Punch it in the nose.
tim pool
Unless you've got... I don't know what kind of gun takes down a bear, to be honest.
john pierce
Sonic?
I think you need... Well, that's like, a lot.
Well, you need a .50 caliber, for sure.
tim pool
You think a .50 caliber?
john pierce
Well, I think it'd be... That would be your... That would be the very least, I think, you would need to have a chance.
tim pool
.308, though, I'd imagine.
john pierce
Yeah.
tim pool
If, like, not one, but if you get him in the head, maybe, right?
john pierce
I would assume so.
I mean, I would feel better about a .50 caliber, I think.
But even though I was in the Army, you're the one that lives in the country now, and so you're more up to speed on these things.
tim pool
I don't know, I've not had to fight a grizzly bear.
We have a bunch of deer that come here, but we're cool with the deer, they're alright.
john pierce
There's a first for everything.
tim pool
We got turkeys all over the place.
The turkey shot in a 12 gauge is pathetic.
You know what I mean?
But like, it does the turkeys in, I guess, if they're a nuisance on your property.
The turkeys come by once a month, we don't mind them.
But a, but a bear.
I don't know.
I think people in the chat are going to know.
Uh, what does someone say?
338 Winchester?
Is it?
No, no, no.
338 W M.
unidentified
308.
tim pool
Someone said 308.
I figured, you know, I don't think, I don't, I don't think 45 would work.
john pierce
No, not a 45.
tim pool
Yeah.
45, like standard 40, like 45 ACP subsonic.
It's going to get stuck.
john pierce
Just irritate them.
ian crossland
Speaking of turkeys, you guys ever hang out like face to face with a turkey before?
tim pool
There's a bunch of them.
They're over outside.
ian crossland
Have you sat within like six feet of one and just chilled with one ever?
tim pool
I wouldn't call it that.
ian crossland
You should.
I was in South America and this woman was going to was was housing this turkey to eat it eventually.
And he would come up and sit next to us.
And they are terrifying because they have huge claws.
They're massive.
But then you look in their eyes and they have this kind wisdom in their eyes.
I see why Ben Franklin wanted to make it the national bird.
john pierce
They're like the modern velociraptors or something.
tim pool
Here's a good one.
Here's a good one.
Victor G says, amazing how blue-pilled Tim is on conspiracies and then cannot understand how people can be so blind about how corrupt the media is.
Actually, I think you, sir, are the one who is blue-pilled.
If there is something as such as, like, overly red-pilled, I don't know, but there is an idea that when you take the red pill, you wake up from the Matrix.
But you cannot claim that you've seen a meme and looked at circumstantial evidence and it's been enough to prove something definitively.
There is a meme that's gone around for a long time about the Clintons, and it lists all of these names.
I have gone through a ton of these names and been like, that's the stupidest attempt at connecting somebody.
It's like, this one firm once handled a bank account for Bill Clinton and their receptionist.
It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
They're like if you've got a company with 3,000 people and someone could you imagine if it's like, you know
You go to a shopping mall and then one day someone in the shopping mall turns up dead and they're like but the Clintons
john pierce
were shopping There so coming back to that one. I'll just say that
because my firm sued Hillary Clinton on behalf of Tulsa Gabbard I'm just gonna hope that you're correct about that one. I
tim pool
Just think this this latest story with this journalist It's like he broke a story about Loretta Loretta Lynch and
Bill Clinton then for years was writing a book about it Then went on a book tour about it and the Clintons were
like not yet not yet. Wait for it Wait for it!
No!
unidentified
What?!
tim pool
Like, if they wanted to stop him from writing the- like, if they were mad about what he was reporting, wouldn't they stop the book from coming out?
It's- it was six years later.
You can't be like, well, six years later, it's- People are looking too much for confirmation bias.
And they say, I'm bloop- well, someone said, I'm blooping on conspiracies.
Bro, I'm doing the investigations and not finding the evidence.
I'm not gonna sit here and pretend evidence exists when it doesn't.
Oh, that is weird.
Clinton getting freaky at Epstein Island.
up that are creepy like the painting of Bill Clinton in a dress on Epstein Island or Bill
Clinton flying on the Epstein plane 27 times or whatever.
Bro, that's creepy stuff that we know happened.
Luke, Luke Gronkowski getting on the boat and jumping onto Epstein Island like a lunatic.
john pierce
What's he doing?
ian crossland
Clinton getting freaky at Epstein Island.
unidentified
Unsettling.
tim pool
Yup, yup.
All right, let's see what we got.
unidentified
Bye.
tim pool
Doug Andrews says, Greetings Tim and gang.
I'm making it a point to watch your videos on Rumble instead of YouTube.
Don't fret though, I'm still leaving likes on YouTube.
All right, well that's cool.
You know, look, we have to leverage these platforms where the culture war is happening.
We can't just abandon them.
Because, uh, that's where the culture war is happening.
So, it is a challenge, right?
Twitter, however, I have complete disdain for, and I tweet nonsense.
Like, I don't, I don't, maybe I'm still, maybe that's worse.
Because I'm giving Twitter the best content, you know what I mean?
Like, if I was going to tweet things like, breaking news, you know, Donald Trump did this.
Okay, I guess that's like, you know, legitimate, serious content.
Instead I'm posting pictures of goats and stuff, just like, yeah, look at this.
Look at this, a deer trying to eat my pawpaw.
john pierce
Because I can say one can tell that you're sort of messing with the universe with your tweets sometimes, which is very fascinating, as opposed to Cassandra's just full on attack mode.
tim pool
Following Cassandra is the best it is.
All right, let's see.
Noah Zork says, although I consider myself an amateur sleuth, I believe I can say with some certainty that the person that fired on Ashley Babbitt was on the other side of the glass.
I mean, there's a video of it, isn't there?
ian crossland
Yeah, of the guy, right?
Of the specific... I don't know, is there an actual video of the guy holding the gun, releasing the chamber, or is it like you just kind of see where the guy is and then...
john pierce
No, there is video of his hands holding the firearm.
He also, I will note, that he interestingly, I think, removes one of his hands from the firearm and seems to take it to his earpiece that you cannot see.
But that seems to be the natural conclusion.
There are a lot of questions about January 6th.
There are a lot of questions about that incident as well.
tim pool
Alright, Zach Goo says, I work at a large trucking company.
We haul refrigerated goods.
Had a meeting today about how our trucks aren't being fixed due to parts on backorder.
They also said all oil changes are suspended due to oil shortage.
I've heard some creepy scuttlebutt about oil and gas.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Just scuttlebutt.
Just internet rumors.
People could be freaking out.
Who knows?
We'll see.
ian crossland
So should we order like 60 pounds of WD-40 or something?
tim pool
No.
No.
For breakfast, I've been having fresh eggs and vegetables from our own garden.
It's the greatest feeling when you're like, I eat food of my own creation.
You know what I mean?
The chickens, we let them in the farm, they eat the bugs.
They got our tomatoes though, but we're kind of happy they did.
ian crossland
Somebody did.
john pierce
I just drink espresso and I have to start eating more healthy, so I'm gonna come hang out with you.
tim pool
But it's just a great feeling to be like, we grew our, oh man, we have so many cherry tomatoes off of one plant.
john pierce
Yeah, I heard you talk about that on the show.
They do sound, it does sound yummy.
tim pool
I took like 20.
Threw him in a pot with some olive oil, and then I poured the fresh eggs over the top and let the egg just... Those cherry tomatoes, they just pop there.
ian crossland
I diced a zucchini from the garden and sautéed it with red wine vinegar and salt.
Dude, it was next level!
I put a sausage in there with it and kind of let the sausage grease kind of go in.
unidentified
Oh really?
ian crossland
Man, it was good!
lydia smith
That does sound really good.
john pierce
That's the way to live for sure.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
When people are worried about... There's been food shortages, oil shortages, trucker shortages, gas stations are starting to run dry across the country.
It's happening.
They say it's not a gas shortage, it's a trucker shortage.
I'm just like, say it all you want, okay?
I got some electric bikes.
Not too fast.
I got an electric car.
We'll see how long that lasts.
We're getting the solar panels and stuff.
We have these backup batteries and the power went out here.
We immediately ran and plugged in all the backup batteries, and we're still able to do the show, even though Storm knocked out the power.
lydia smith
Very exciting.
tim pool
But these batteries come with solar panels you can lay out in the sun and plug in, and they charge off solar.
It's fantastic.
And they're huge.
If you only have, like, one panel set, it would take, like, probably three days to fully charge the box.
But we actually have, like, I think we have, like, 24.
So you lay them all out on the ground in the grass, plug it in, and it charges up in an hour or two.
And you can run AC off of it.
You can run your washing machine.
It's amazing.
These things are fantastic.
ian crossland
Can you run multiple batteries through all, like 24 panels and like eight batteries?
Can you have them all plugged in?
tim pool
Technically, yeah, but it's not worth it to do it that way.
You just charge the one up, then switch it over and switch it over and switch it over because you'll get some like diminishing returns.
john pierce
I heard your discussion about gold on your last show, and a lot of people think about that when it comes to the apocalypse scenario, but your discussion of that was very persuasive, that that's not really where you want to go.
tim pool
But I don't think the apocalypse is going to happen.
Gold is excellent if you think there's going to be an economy.
Gold is valuable among humans.
But if we're talking Mad Max, what do you want gold for?
john pierce
You know what I mean?
It's useful as a medium of exchange in a at least marginally functioning society.
But other than that, it's like food and water and weapons.
ian crossland
And we have been marginally functioning throughout the last 4,000, 6,000, 8,000 years, even though there's been catastrophe and war, we still continue to function.
tim pool
Gold persisted.
I'm just saying, like, if we nuke ourselves and it's, like, the last man on Earth, you're not gonna trade someone gold.
They're gonna be like, bro, I need water.
Do you have water?
I'll give you some bread.
But even if, like, there's a peaceful divorce and major conflict, gold and silver are, in my opinion, for me, good bets.
john pierce
It's certainly good to have in reserve, for sure.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm definitely interested in precious metals and cryptocurrency, but you've got to balance it.
I'm not giving financial advice.
I'm just saying, for me, I think it's important to have a balance between some different hard assets, stocks, and everything.
I can't remember who we were talking to.
They said if the market collapses, then you need to have some liquid assets so you can move in and out.
But if you put everything in one basket, who knows what's going to happen?
ian crossland
You gotta be ready to pounce on assets if the market folds, basically.
john pierce
I think what people realize in 2008-2009 is that essentially all paper assets can go to hell in one fell swoop.
tim pool
Alright, we got this one from Dalamar.
He says, John Pierce.
Matthew Peirce was arrested today for entering the Capitol with a GoPro camera and press badges on.
Friends are unsure of his status right now.
He was streaming on Twitch and on DLive covering the event.
He is going to need a lawyer.
john pierce
So look, I am here and I'm trying to help, you know, everybody, everybody they can because a lot of people need help.
So, so, so, so reach out, you know, each defendant's obviously in a different scenario in terms of, you know, the facts of each case.
And again, there's some very interesting things about January 6.
It gets more interesting by the day.
tim pool
Yeah.
The 21.6 Talk Show says, Tony Bobulinski.
ian crossland
There he is.
tim pool
That's the name.
john pierce
That's the name.
tim pool
Tony Bobulinski.
john pierce
We were not actually that close.
unidentified
No, we were way off.
tim pool
Pancake Astronaut says, love the show, trying to create culture.
If you could, sir, shout out my metal band, Mind Virus.
unidentified
There you go, Mind Virus.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Michael Schwobel says there is a video out there of Trump supporters outside in MAGA hats asking the police why they're not stopping them.
Yep, seen it.
john pierce
That does exist.
tim pool
He's yelling at the cop like, what are you doing?
Why aren't you doing anything?
And the cop's just like, meh.
john pierce
And that man was fired up about it, yes.
ian crossland
Those cops were clearly... You know they were ordered to stand down.
tim pool
No, no, no, bro!
ian crossland
Because if they had gotten into altercations and fought people, it would have been the worst optical... There's video of the cops letting them in.
Yeah, they were ordered probably to not get involved and just be as passive as possible.
tim pool
It's obvious that Donald... It's obviously Donald Trump told all the police, you know, I'm the back the blue president, and they were like, you got it, and the cops were like, we're gonna make this happen.
ian crossland
Ooh, that's another conspiracy theory.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
ian crossland
Trump's like, let them in.
tim pool
Trump was the president.
Trump supports police.
Police let people in and helped facilitate the insurrection.
Let's round up all these Capitol cops.
Now the cops that were defending the Capitol, okay, you guys are free to go.
And the cops that refused to intervene or open the doors, we gotta get those cops rounded up and investigated, don't we?
john pierce
I think that there's, from a factual standpoint, there is no question that there were Capitol Hill police that were not just letting people in, but were urging people to come in.
And I think that there are very direct and tough cross-examination questions that need to be asked of each one of those individuals.
tim pool
All right.
Let's see what we got.
Rob Santana says, Tim, in Tomorrow War... Oh, spoiler alert for those that haven't seen Tomorrow War, because here it comes.
Tim, in Tomorrow War, they need two jabs to kill the Queen in the past when they could just have blown up the ship in the first place.
That's correct.
lydia smith
Yep.
So many questions.
tim pool
Yeah.
john pierce
I didn't get that deep in the analysis.
tim pool
All right, we're going in.
We're going in.
You guys ready for this?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Spoiler alerts to the umpteenth degree.
For those who have not seen The Tomorrow War, you're not going to want to hear this, but I am going to now, Tara.
Two shreds.
lydia smith
Do it.
tim pool
So, The Tomorrow War.
It's about a bunch of people, they're chilling, and then all of a sudden a portal opens and people from the future come back to the past saying, we are losing a war against aliens and we're going to draft people from the past to fight in the future because we're desperate.
Okay, I guess.
Sure, it's kind of a weird plot, but I do appreciate the uniqueness of it.
All right, let's talk about this.
So, Chris Pratt goes in for testing, and they find out that he's going to die in seven years.
The war takes place in 30 years.
They say, you've been drafted.
They send him and a bunch of middle-aged people to the future.
At some point, someone notes, you notice that all the soldiers that came to the past are very young, and all the people that go to the future are very old, and they go, oh, they're trying to avoid a paradox, so that someone in the past doesn't interact with themselves in the future, and the people who come to the past haven't been born yet.
And I'm like, oh, except in the movie, everyone's dead in the future.
Everyone is.
It makes no sense to be like, he dies in seven years and go to war.
There's only half a million people left on the planet.
So, why would they draft a bunch of old people when everyone's already dead?
Now, who dies first?
In the movie, turns out Chris Pratt's daughter is his little girl, and then he gets drafted into the future, and sure enough, the colonel in command, it's his daughter!
Colonel!
And she goes, well, when people start getting knocked off, you wear a lot of names or whatever.
Basically implying that you become colonel when everyone else is killed in the war.
Which is to imply most of the soldiers are dead.
Why would they draft a bunch of middle-aged fat people like this fat guy to go and fight in a war unless all of their frontline infantry had actually died already?
In which case, people from the past who are actually in the military Would be the ones to be drafted.
lydia smith
Of course.
tim pool
Because they'd be like, you're already dead in the future.
Now we're gonna take you and bring you into the fight in the future.
It's ridiculous.
ian crossland
Also, what if they pulled someone's dad into the future and got him killed in war before he had the kid that was the soldier from the future?
tim pool
Right, it makes no sense.
It makes no sense.
I assure you, I could make a better movie.
I could write a better story.
john pierce
I'm not sure if it's because it's getting late or not, but you're just, it's now like above... Your mind's moving faster than mine is on this one.
tim pool
Oh, dude, I already rewrote the whole movie after watching it.
I do this with a lot of movies.
I'm like, okay, let me rewrite the plot.
He was a military vet.
It should have been shortly after.
They should have been only drafting military.
There's a whole lot that should have changed in that movie.
john pierce
But you will keep Chris Pratt in the movie.
tim pool
Oh, definitely!
ian crossland
He's so good.
john pierce
And I thought the daughter character was really good.
She's good too, yeah.
lydia smith
Chris is the only reason to watch that movie, honestly.
john pierce
Oh, I just remembered where I saw her.
She was in Live Another Day 24, the Jack Bauer.
lydia smith
Oh, interesting.
john pierce
She played the CIA agent in London.
Yes, that's where I recognized her from.
tim pool
Zach Robinson says, is this enough to say I'm sorry?
Never changed him.
I can't believe you read that last night.
When is the live chat coming with your live website streams?
That would be fire.
Free culture war discourse is the best discourse.
You could even air at 11 and react to chat.
We have a lot of plans, but it's just...
I'll break it down.
You know, there's a lot of people need to understand there's no amount of money that can get you what you want if it doesn't exist, right?
I was hanging out with this dude, this YouTube guy, and we were in DC, and this was actually on January 20th.
It was Trump's inauguration.
This guy comes down and we were talking and I said, so what did you fly in first class to get down here?
And he laughs and goes, first class?
I'm way beyond that.
And I laughed and I was like, oh, a private plane?
And he goes, dude, I took the train.
And I started laughing.
It's like, how do you think you get from New York to DC?
Why would you spend five hours going to get it?
Just hop on the train.
john pierce
It's much more relaxing to take the train.
tim pool
You walk in, you hop on the train, it's right there, boom, you're in DC.
ian crossland
You're on the ground.
tim pool
And I was like, oh.
There's no amount of money.
Like, if you want to get a private plane, it still takes time to go to the airport, charter the plane, get the permissions, get on the runway, you're waiting in line.
Trains faster.
People don't realize this.
So, here's what's happening with the website dev.
I can go to the developers and say, I will give you all the money in the world, and they say, there's still only so much work a person can do in development.
You can't have 10 people designing one thing because then you've got a bunch of code conflicting with each other and no one knows what someone else is building.
So it actually has diminishing returns.
So there's like actually a happy medium of how many people you can have developing something.
So it takes a long time.
So we want to have website streams.
We want to have so you can listen to the bonus podcasts.
We're going to be doing audio only versions with all the members podcasts for people who want lower bandwidth and want to listen in areas without high speed and stuff like that.
I think Rumble already offers a low-bandwidth version as well, but we want to do an audio-only.
It's going to take a bunch of dev.
So, websites first, then the mobile app, but we're going to have a ton of crazy content.
We are going to have, like, we already have technically three shows.
You have Tim Pool Show, which is me monologuing, Tim Guest IRL, which is the conversations, we have Cast Castle, which is the vlog, the next one we're doing is the Unexplained and the Paranormal and all that stuff.
It's going to be epic, and that should be starting up in the next month or so.
And then we're going to be doing tech, gaming, all sorts of stuff.
We're probably going to do like true crime, obviously, but we're going to have a bunch of different shows.
ian crossland
I'm so excited to do a tech show.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, but we need weird technology.
So the interesting thing is, I think there's an overlap with you, Ian, in like the unexplained show, but there's got to be like the wild world of science with Ian kind of thing.
ian crossland
You guys just got to go crazy.
john pierce
So where do you guys stand on like the UFO revelations with these Pentagon videos?
ian crossland
I think they're really using it as an opportunity to raise money for the military right now as like a kind of a scare tactic.
But also I've been studying these things called talking plasma balls that the military's been working on, where they'll coordinate lasers, three or more, into the atmosphere to trisect them and create a ball of plasma, which is showing up on radar.
And then they can move the ball around and they're like, how does this, how can a ship even move like that?
But it's tracking on radar.
Yeah, it's like actual craft.
tim pool
I think it's Tesla tech that they've recovered and I've been working on lightweight drones since the 30s or 40s Yeah, you ever point a laser pointer at a wall when a cat was in the room and the laser pointers moving like in ridiculous ways Yeah, because you can just like move the light and the cats just like freaking out like how is it doing this?
That's what we're doing right now.
We're like look at these ships and it's probably a guy with the flashlight.
He's like No, for real, you make that point with the plasma balls.
ian crossland
Yeah, talking plasma balls.
tim pool
But even if it's plasma, whatever it is, it could literally just be that they're in a plane, and it's a high-powered visible laser moving, and then it disappears, and they're like, whoa!
And it's like, you're looking at a light, dude!
john pierce
Right.
tim pool
It's how is it moving so fast and turning on a diamond, going through clouds, and it punched a hole in the clouds.
Yeah, high-powered laser.
How about that?
ian crossland
But the craft I'm really interested in, like, what are the materials that they make?
Bob Lazar worked at Area 51.
He saw, like, according to him, like, I don't know, nine different shapes of craft that apparently can move.
And I have friends that have worked, Jeremy Rist, the alien scientist working on anti-gravity.
That's a real technology.
Like if you create enough horizontal momentum, you can kind of negate vertical momentum and then move things up.
So this idea of spinning things super fast can create the ability to lift.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know if air has anything to do with it.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, let's read a little bit more because I got to read this one.
Michael Heilers says, 458 SOCOM kills pretty much everything depending on range and load.
If anyone's ever seen a 458 SOCOM, oh yeah, they're massive.
But yeah, yeah, I guess so.
I don't know, would a SABO slug and a 12-gauge work on a Grizzly?
I'd imagine it would.
john pierce
Oh, a SABO, if we can talk about tanks, I can tell you a SABO round would take out a Grizzly.
tim pool
Well, I can't show it on camera, but we'll just... What is a SABO exactly?
john pierce
A sabre round is the primary tank killing round that another tank uses.
I'll look at it later.
But a sabre round is the primary tank...
I'm like showing you.
tim pool
I can't switch the camera now.
It's a primary tank killing round that another tank uses.
unidentified
It's an armor-piercing, fin-stabilized, discarding sabre round with tracer, which essentially
lydia smith
means...
john pierce
Sabre is the French word for shoe.
So essentially, it's a depleted uranium dart.
It's a depleted uranium dart.
I'm not talking about that!
unidentified
I'm just talking about a slug from a shotgun.
john pierce
That would definitely take out the grizzly bear.
tim pool
So it's encased, and when you shoot it, it breaks out and the slug comes out.
ian crossland
Do they always have tracers in them, or is that just the military versions?
tim pool
Well, this is a shotgun slug, so there's no tracer in it.
But it's a polymer tip, and it's gonna put a 10-inch hole in something.
I imagine it would harm a grizzly bear a great deal.
lydia smith
Yeah.
john pierce
At least I'd... The tank ground would definitively kill the grizzly bear.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
A lot of people were saying, yeah, someone says 12-gauge slug.
Some people are saying 308.
People are saying, show it.
This is YouTube, we can't.
We can only talk about it.
But to my right, there's some fancy stuff.
Oh man, if only you could see.
Actually, there was a photo.
People post photos when they go on the show, and you can see them on Instagram.
Luke got me a flintlock pistol.
ian crossland
Beautiful.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not an FFL item, I think.
ian crossland
It's stunning.
It should be on display somewhere.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not a regulated weapon, I think.
john pierce
From like the colonial days?
I mean, or the pirate days?
ian crossland
Yeah, something like that.
I don't know how old it is.
Well, it's a replica, I think.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got here.
The Reaper Nation says, Hey Tim, would you ever consider having Donut Operator on the show?
Yes, we would.
lydia smith
Stanny invite!
tim pool
Absolutely.
john pierce
Yeah, he seems great, actually.
tim pool
Kevin Robillard just posted a bunch of gorillas.
Oh, yes, and we have a new shirt.
Uh, this one's mostly for the skate park dwelling denizens, skate park denizens.
But, uh, if you go to TimCast.com and click store, we have stickers and shirts that it's the Gadsden Snake wearing a beanie on a skateboard and says, don't snake me, bro.
So it's a play on, obviously, don't tread on me and also don't tase me, bro.
And it's don't snake me.
So snake is a verb in skateboarding or whatever skate park culture.
Everybody kind of waits their turn.
So there will be like a rail and one at a time people will take their turn and you kind of just, you know, I'm gonna sit back.
It's very anarchic.
It's very anarchist.
You know, you're letting people sort of do their thing, but eventually someone just barges in and snakes you.
It's when you're about to go and they just cut you off and go and you're like, bro, don't snake me, dude.
So we made shirts and it's a little... That is the one piece of swag I must have at some point someday.
I'm gonna get a bunch of the stickers.
But I posted it and a bunch of skateboarders are hitting me up on Instagram and they're like, yes, I want the shirt!
Like, you're wearing it in the skate park, don't snake me, bro.
john pierce
Yeah, because they do it man they do it but don't tase me bro videos just one of don't tase me bro one of a kind Those are the days, huh?
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
We got here trick God says Tomorrow war you forget that Pratt's generation would be useless to the present trying to prepare for a future war Recall that the present still needs to fight I saw the best meme ever.
It's Chris Pratt from the Tomorrow War holding his gun, which is a short-barreled rifle with magnification on it, and they're going through, like, why someone would be using this weapon, and then it's like, it's like someone from the- I can't break it down for you perfectly, but it's like someone from the future comes to the past and goes to a gun store, and they're like, we need weapons to fight a war.
And they're like, okay, so I'd imagine you're gonna want, you know, like an AR-15, you know, standard.
No, no, I want a short barreled rifle.
Okay, so it's gonna be what?
A short range?
Nope.
He's like, then he's like, okay, so you're gonna want like a red dot?
Nope.
Magnification?
And they're like, huh?
Okay, well, all right.
So these things must be small and close.
Nope, they're massive.
john pierce
Oh my gosh.
And they move around so fast that you'd never actually be able to see them in those circular, like, magnification things, because you've got to line it up.
tim pool
I wasn't panked, but you know what really bothered me about that movie is the infinite bullets they had.
john pierce
They did not seem to have to reload very often, if ever.
tim pool
See, this is why I really like Stargate SG-1.
They use P90s, and they're often in a lot of close-quarter situations, and they often are reloading.
And they actually explain P90s and the 50-round magazine.
john pierce
I think tomorrow we're producers and I could be your biggest fans after tonight.
unidentified
Or maybe bring a massive attention.
tim pool
I think it really just is, it's like in The Dark Knight.
What did Harvey Dent say?
john pierce
The Batman?
unidentified
Yeah.
john pierce
That's filmed in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
tim pool
So when he's talking to the guy in court and then the guy's like, I'm the real mastermind, whatever the guy's name is, a fall guy.
Then Harvey Dent walks up to him, and he pulls out the gun.
It clicks, and then Harvey grabs the gun, disassembles it, and then he says, like, Chinese-made .28 caliber.
If you want to assassinate a U.S.D., I suggest you buy American.
I think he said .28 caliber or something, and I saw that, and, you know, before I knew anything about guns, it never meant anything to me.
Then I rewatched it, and I heard him say that, and I was like, 28?
Is that what he said?
I looked it up and all I found were forums of people saying like, what?
What is this?
Like, why would they do that?
And some people speculated that producers did it on purpose.
Like, purposefully.
ian crossland
Like a 555 phone number?
tim pool
No, like they knew gun people would make a thing of it.
john pierce
Don't you also think with some of the movies that are on the streaming platforms like Netflix and Amazon that sometimes they're trying to get the content out so fast that they don't put the same kind of time into things that they used to?
lydia smith
I think that's what happened with The Tomorrow War.
That was a conclusion I reached because I watched it too and I reached a lot of the same conclusions Tim did and I was watching it and I was like, I bet Tim is overanalyzing every single bit of this stupid movie but at least Chris Pratt is in it.
That's why I watched it.
tim pool
That is true and correct.
ian crossland
Oh, I saw this move some Roman show about the Romans and they were like handling they were getting charged by the barbarians and they're like testudo and they all went into their their arrow protection testudo turtle form where they're like, but it's not how you handle a charge at all.
You'd get wiped out if you were in testudo formation.
So they then the charge came and they were like falling on top of their just so and all the comments like what who?
What historian is on staff with this movie crew that told them a test?
tim pool
So we've got a pretty tough question for you before we sign off.
john pierce
I was surprised there wasn't one yet.
tim pool
Oh, no, there's a bunch of them, but I'm just... You're being very diplomatic.
lydia smith
He's curating them.
john pierce
Thank you.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But this one, of course, pertaining to Kyle Rittenhouse, and a lot of people want to know.
They say that you've been accused of taking money from Kyle Rittenhouse, and they'd like to know if you have a response.
john pierce
Uh, so, so that's completely untrue.
Um, you know, and I'm just going to leave it at that because, you know, there could be pending litigation about that, but that's completely a thousand percent, uh, untrue and never do such a thing.
And I wish nothing but the best for Kyle and he's completely innocent and needs to be, uh, acquitted.
tim pool
I do want to say one thing to a lot of people too, that you need to understand, and I'll, and I'll throw a reference to Carl Benjamin and Akilah Hughes's lawsuit.
Sargon of, Sargon of Akkad, you may know him.
Um, he got sued and he kept his mouth shut about what was going on and let the courts handle it.
Ultimately he won.
I'm not saying anything about this or whatever that case may be, but I think there's something to be said for people who say, I'm gonna keep it, you know, quiet, we're gonna let the courts figure things out, and for people who go on social media and start saying, this is what happens, what happens, what happened.
Not to say anybody's right or wrong, but I think it's important that, especially in things like this, Look, I'll just put it this way.
I've got my fair share of litigation, and I never talk about it.
And people try to drag me into it.
You can't.
You don't bring it up.
It is a foolish move to get into that stuff publicly.
Don't do it.
But a lot of people were, of course, asking it, so we're going to save that one for last before we sign off.
We don't shy away from the hard questions.
I read people smack-talking me.
I try to as well, because we want to keep it real, I guess.
Yeah, everybody who watched and hanging out these Friday nights, we really do appreciate it.
Make sure you smash that like button, subscribe to this show and become a member at TimCast.com because boy, are we expanding.
The new website is so cool.
I wish I could just put it up now because of how amazing it looks, but we're getting there.
We're getting there.
And I think we're going to have like five or six, I think we'd have six writers, six reporters to start.
It's going to be fantastic.
So you can follow the show on Facebook and Instagram at TimCastIRL.
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So you this I think this is the best episode ever This is the best vlog we've ever done.
It's the 4th of July special.
We're on boats.
There's animation in it I was I'm super excited for this Kent who does the all the editing work and everything just hit this one out of the park and So definitely make sure you go to youtube.com slash castcastle, subscribe to that, and tomorrow morning you can watch our silly 4th of July adventure.
We had a blast, we made ice cream and cheesecake, and we have throwing axes, and it's just all sorts of shenanigans, and we make fun of Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes.
Oh, Seamus, we love you.
Did you want to shout anything out, John?
john pierce
No, look, it was awesome to be here.
Of course, please go to nclu.com.
We need support to help people whose constitutional rights are being violated.
We really, really do.
So thank you for having me.
It's great fun.
ian crossland
If people want to get in touch with you to work with you, what's the best way for them to get in touch with you?
unidentified
Sure.
john pierce
So on Twitter, I am KaliKidJMP.
If they're interested in supporting the NCOU, they can go to ncou.com and they can reach out to the email address info at ncou.com and we'll receive those.
ian crossland
It's really good talking to you, man.
Thanks for having me.
john pierce
Thank you so much.
ian crossland
You guys can follow me at iancrossland.net and hit me up at iancrossland on social media.
Looking forward to talking to you.
lydia smith
Thank you guys all very much for hanging out on this Friday night instead of going and doing fun crazy stuff.
I know it's super hot so stay safe.
You guys are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids as I attempt to have more followers than Sour Patch Kids!
tim pool
We definitely need to do a show on comics, video games, and culture.
Because, like, I got so much to say about Tomorrow War.
Oh, I want to talk about Magic.
lydia smith
Right, right.
tim pool
And games and D&D.
We're planning on doing a D&D show for sure.
A weekly D&D show is going to be a blast.
We actually talked about this a while ago about finding a dungeon master to, like, help put together really interesting scenarios.
john pierce
Dungeons and Dragons.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
john pierce
Oh, that's, yeah, that's my genre.
tim pool
But there's interesting things we can do with it in terms of politics, like having someone drop a scenario pertaining to American political conflict, but in a D&D kind of game.
Tomorrow we're gonna go see Black Widow!
Came out, I think, today.
I think it was a midnight showing.
And there's so much I'm gonna have to say about it.
We gotta put together a new podcast for culture and stuff, too.
So we got a lot coming.
It's all thanks to all of you who are members at TimCast.com.
The site is expanding rapidly.
And everyone who signs up, when that money comes in, I just think about how many more people we're going to hire to do awesome stuff.
And so thank you very much.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you all next time.
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