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Timcast IRL - Fauci Leaks Go Viral, PROVES He Lied, Rand Paul Was RIGHT w/Jack Posobiec
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tim pool
You know Rand Paul Must be having a really good day.
I can only imagine that when the news broke about Fauci's emails getting leaked, he started, you know, jumping up on his desk and then shuffle dancing, and then jumped back down to tweet, told you so.
And that was just it.
And I saw the tweet from Rand Paul, and he's like, told you so, fire Fauci!
And I'm like, what told you so?
What was told?
I don't know what the emails contain.
Rand, tell me more!
An email January 31st, 2020 to Anthony Fauci suggested that researchers believed, at the time, that COVID was engineered.
It is only now, about a year and a half later, Fauci says he's not convinced that COVID was naturally occurring and lab leak theory is becoming more prominent.
It's a very, very strange set of circumstances.
And while it may be that the initial assessment was it looks engineered and then later on
they changed their mind, when you also learn that Fauci was sending emails about gain of
function research and then telling Rand Paul, we don't do this, you are incorrect.
And then, yeah.
And then, so he was talking about it, he didn't understand the context.
And then he gets an email apparently from the guy from EcoHealth saying, thank you for
shutting down this conspiracy theory.
Just sounds a whole lot like he's hooking up his buddy who is being implicated in the
the research that may have led to this lab leak and cost a lot of lives.
So we're going to jump into this.
We got a bunch of other news too.
A disaster has been declared on the southern border of Texas.
Governor Abbott says that Joe Biden's open borders policies are just causing drugs and gangs.
And where's Joe Biden?
What's he doing?
Making things worse, I guess.
Well, we are being joined today by the Jack Posobiec.
jack posobiec
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm here to tell you that I've heard about this chat going on asking about my stance on cargo shorts.
And I'm here to tell you folks that cargo shorts in the Postal Republic will get you sent straight to jail.
tim pool
Oh yeah, yeah.
When I'm Supreme Chancellor, cilantro, fennel, gone.
jack posobiec
Wait, cilantro?
tim pool
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Believe it or not, jail.
ian crossland
That's the problem with cancel culture.
jack posobiec
It never stops.
I will lead the cilantro uprising.
tim pool
Cilantro, fennel, caraway, anise, celery.
Celery is a jail sentence.
jack posobiec
Cilantro is a garnish, though.
It's not a meal, it's a garnish.
tim pool
Yeah, but they put it in every... It's like, no, don't put it on my stuff.
I don't like it.
It doesn't taste good.
jack posobiec
You can ask for no cilantro.
Like, I'm not a sour cream guy, but I just need no sour cream.
tim pool
Like, I'll go to a Mexican restaurant and they're like, oh, it's all pre-made.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
You know what I like?
jack posobiec
What are you going to premade places for though?
That's on you.
That's on you.
tim pool
You go to a place where they make it in front of you.
And I'm always like this.
I'm always like extra onions.
jack posobiec
Yes.
tim pool
Extra lemon juice.
jack posobiec
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And no cilantro.
jack posobiec
I want my cilantro.
I'll pay extra.
I don't even care.
ian crossland
You can stuff it in a tube and then filter water through the tube and even like fecal contaminated water and it'll drip out clean fresh water and then...
Just grow it in your backyard?
tim pool
What places do you go and eat?
Cilantro's out.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
tim pool
I'll compromise.
We'll ban cargo shorts if you agree to throw cilantro.
unidentified
What is this?
jack posobiec
Partisan politics?
Sorry about that, sweetheart.
Tony's gonna be mad at me for that one.
tim pool
In 50 years, like somehow, by some twist, the timeline actually is you're in charge of the Republicans, I'm the Democrats, and we're like, we agree and shake hands.
jack posobiec
It's like Tip O'Neill and Reagan back in the day.
Like, yes, now let's go drink our fecal juice.
tim pool
Everyone's confused as to what this has to do with anything.
Right, exactly.
jack posobiec
No, because we'll have solved everything else.
These will be the only two remaining issues that are outstanding.
ian crossland
It's like an artistic choice.
lydia smith
Yeah, I love it.
tim pool
All right, we got to... I think Ian is chilling.
ian crossland
Yeah, I am.
unidentified
Thank you, Tim.
ian crossland
Yes, hello, Ian Crossland up in this house.
Good to be here.
unidentified
Hi, Jack.
lydia smith
Correct.
unidentified
Yep.
lydia smith
I'm very excited.
Jack is here for our 300th episode.
I'm not sure if this is momentous.
jack posobiec
My third appearance on the 300th episode.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
That's fortuitous.
lydia smith
I love it.
jack posobiec
Absolutely fortuitous.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
You look like Leonidas.
That's what I was thinking.
jack posobiec
I feel like Leonidas.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
The whole dying part.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And you like kicking the messenger into the pit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
No, no.
I'll do that all day long.
Especially if he's wearing cargo shorts.
lydia smith
He's wearing cargo shorts.
unidentified
Yeah.
All right.
tim pool
Are we good?
Lydia's here.
She's pushing buttons.
unidentified
I am.
lydia smith
Yes, I am.
That's me.
tim pool
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jack posobiec
Is there news today? Was there anything that came out today?
ian crossland
Yes. Well, it's new.
tim pool
Something a little bit. Is that making news? The north, east, west and south. North, south,
south. There'll be news every day. That's right. Fauci was warned that COVID-19 may
have been engineered emails show. The New York Post reports Dr. Fauci was warned.
The coronavirus has possibly been engineered and appeared to be taking reports about it seriously.
At the same time, he was publicly downplaying the notion of the virus being created in a lab, according to his emails.
Meanwhile, Fauci, America's top expert in infectious disease, also got a personal thank you for backing the natural origin theory from the head of a non-profit that used a $3.4 million government grant to fund research at the Chinese lab suspected of creating the virus.
On January 31st, 2020, more than two months before the World Health Organization characterized COVID as a pandemic, Fauci sent an email to U.S.
virus researcher Christian Anderson and Sir Jeremy Farrar, who runs a global health charity in Britain.
Fauci forwarded them a copy of a Science Magazine article titled, Mining Coronavirus Genomes for Clues to the Outbreak's Origin.
This just came out today.
You may have seen it.
If not, it is of interest to the current discussion, wrote Fauci, the longtime head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.
Anderson, who runs a viral genomics lab at Scripps Research in La Jolla, California, wrote back.
The problem is that our phylogenic analyses aren't able to answer whether the sequences are unusual at individual residues, except if they are completely off.
The unusual features of the virus make up a really small portion of the genome, less than 1%, so one has to look really closely at the sequence to see that some of the features potentially look engineered.
Anderson also noted that he and others, quote, "...all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory," but added, quote, "...there are still further analyses to be done, so those opinions could still change."
Just two days later, on February 2nd, Farrar sent a brief email to Fauci and other U.S.
health officials in which he asked for a conference call later tonight or tomorrow to discuss their response to a pending announcement from the World Health Organization.
Farrar then added, meanwhile, in a link to an article at the Zero Hedge website, with the headline, quote, Coronavirus contains HIV insertions stoking fears over artificially created bioweapon.
Fauci responded that email by forwarding the email chain to Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, and asking, do you have a minute for a quick call?
The 3,200-plus pages of Fauci's emails posted on Tuesday by BuzzFeed, which they got through a FOIA request, also show that he and Collins corresponded in April 2020 about Fox News reporting on increasing confidence that the virus COVID-19 started in a Wuhan lab.
In an April 16, 2020 email to Fauci and other U.S.
health officials, Collins sent a link to a Mediaite report about a discussion on Fox News' Hannity program.
Colin's email bore the subject line, conspiracy gains momentum.
But its entire contents were blacked out, other than the link and his name at the end.
Fauci responded to Colin's email, but whatever he wrote was also blacked out.
Meanwhile, two days after Colin sent his email, Fauci received a message from Peter Daszak.
A zoologist and president of the EcoHealth Alliance, quote, I just wanted to say a personal thank you on behalf of our staff and collaborators for publicly standing up and stating that the scientific evidence supports a natural origin for COVID-19 from a bat to human spillover, not a lab release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
From my perspective, your comments are brave, and coming from your trusted voice will help dispel the myths being spun around the virus's origins.
The next day, Fauci wrote back, many thanks for your kind note.
Last year, the Wall Street Journal reported that EcoHealth Alliance used its NIH grant to study coronaviruses in Chinese bats and sent the Wuhan lab just about $600,000.
The five-year grant was renewed for a total of $3.7 million in 2019, but it was cancelled in April 2020 under President Trump on the grounds the research didn't align with the NIH's program goals and agency priorities.
During April 2020, Fauci repeatedly made public statements suggesting the coronavirus was the result of an unusual human-animal interface in a Chinese wet market and that the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now totally consistent with a jump of a species to animal to human... Okay, okay, I gotta stop.
I think the evidence is clear.
Fauci knew there were suggestions from researchers that he had contacted that this was engineered.
The guy he knows, the guy he was providing funding, says thanks for dispelling the myths.
Where did Fauci come up with the wet market, with the unusual bat-to-human transmission of this virus?
They were literally doing bat coronavirus research thanks to the money that was sent to EcoHealth Alliance.
I mean, to me, it sounds clear cut.
Fauci, did he make up the story about the wet market?
jack posobiec
Well, so the story of the wet market didn't start with Fauci.
It starts with the CCP.
This was the Chinese government's main line that they were pushing forward.
They were the ones who were putting it out there.
They were the ones that were talking about this wet market.
They were spreading these videos.
You remember the bat soup?
They actually had this influencer apologize for doing a bat soup, you know, sort of like you know, TikTok video and starting this trend.
And so this was all coming from this fear of the Chinese government.
Right. Which we probably should have questioned.
And obviously we did question very early on to say, why are we trusting the CCP when we know that the CCP
denied that this thing was going on?
They denied human to human transmission until literally the point that they couldn't deny it anymore.
They were locking up doctors.
They were doing everything they could to hide this information from coming out.
But then we just accept their narrative for how it got out.
Hold on a second. So.
tim pool
So Fauci contacts virologists in Britain who say it looks engineered.
Then he sees on the TV from CCP media, it's a wet market, and he goes, it's clearly the wet market.
And then he goes on TV and says, well, you know, that's the wet market.
There you go.
jack posobiec
Do we believe that?
tim pool
Do we trust that?
jack posobiec
So there's also an email in there in these early days.
We're talking, remember, January, February of 2020.
So this is sort of that early time.
where we're all asking questions.
And we all, of course, can see the proximity of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
And we're, you know, asking very, very rational questions, rational concerns of, hey, this is really close to a huge bio lab.
What's what's going on with that?
You know, what's going on with the bio lab across the street from the wet market?
Can we can we see this thing?
And especially for even if even if someone I lived in China for two years, but even if someone doesn't know the geography of China that well, Wuhan is about a thousand miles away from Kunming, where these bats actually reside, and where these main caves are that they study the coronaviruses, because it's this one huge system of caves in Yunnan province, or Yan'an province, where they found a lot of this, where miners have gotten sick, and all the rest of it.
Who's doing the most traveling between those caves in Wuhan?
Well, of course it would be the researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
tim pool
Oh, come on, Jack.
It was clearly the poor wet market, you know, salesmen who traveled by foot with buckets of bats for a thousand miles and back to sell at the Wuhan wet market.
jack posobiec
Right, right.
Or the diseased bat just flew from the caves all the way to Wuhan.
Didn't get anyone sick in between the 1,000 miles that it traveled.
Didn't stop off, you know, you know, like when geese fly south and they stop in my lake.
No, no, no.
It's not like that.
No, they flew directly to that wet market.
Why?
Because it was deliberate.
tim pool
The bats were just like, yo, we're in it.
jack posobiec
And then it just traveled a thousand miles.
We gotta strike back.
Let's go to that one.
tim pool
I think, you know, at the time, we didn't have the information we have now.
jack posobiec
Look, look, these are reasonable questions, and it's kind of silly, and that's why we're making jokes about it, because you look at the early days of it, and Fauci's concerns, and you look at some of the concerns about these emails that are coming in, specifically when he's talking about the WHO, they're talking about Tedros, who is the head of the WHO, and they want to get their talking points straight.
They want to get this public narrative, this public opinion push straightforward.
There's no questions about You know, you'd expect that from the bureaucracy standpoint, that if you're, you know, if this is the movie version of it, right, that the scientists go, you know, get me on the phone with Wuhan.
What were you guys doing up there?
What came, what was happening in that lab?
Or, you know, even on the flip side of that, again, if you take their stated purposes for conducting these experiments as, hey, we're doing research into coronaviruses, a lot of them come out of China, so it makes sense to do the research there because we want to get ahead of there being a pandemic.
Well, wouldn't it then follow that you're calling Peter Daszak and you're calling your Chinese colleagues to say, hey, is this similar to anything you've seen?
Do you have anything that could maybe give us a jump on creating some kind of treatment for this thing that you guys may have, you know, come across in the course of your decade plus long research there?
tim pool
Which was the purpose of the research.
jack posobiec
To be fair, we did a really good job.
That was the stated purpose of the funding.
That was the stated purpose of all these approvals through EcoHealth Alliance.
You don't see any of that going on whatsoever.
What do you see?
These emails about talking points, the emails about narrative, and then the emails from Peter Daszak.
Thank you so much for dispelling these myths.
tim pool
To be fair, you know, we, we, we did a really good job.
Um, we know that Fauci was providing funding to EcoHealth Alliance who are using that funding for gain of function
and research at the Wuhan lab.
So who would be better to choose to go and do the investigation?
other than the guy who runs Eagle of the Lines.
Clearly, he's the expert.
jack posobiec
We have investigated ourselves.
tim pool
And he went there and they found nothing wrong.
jack posobiec
And found that we did nothing wrong.
tim pool
Exactly.
See, he's the most qualified because he's literally doing, look, he's literally doing the research at the Wuhan lab.
Why would you pick someone else?
He can recognize it, can't he?
He's the one who knows.
He can walk in and say, see, we're not funding and doing in a function research area.
Nothing to see, you know?
ian crossland
So he's the president of EcoHealth Alliance?
unidentified
Is that this guy?
Yes.
ian crossland
So the guy who is getting paid by Whoever, Fauci or the U.S.
government, to do research on bat coronaviruses, sent an email to Fauci thanking him for dispelling the myth that it came from a research laboratory.
jack posobiec
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
It just came from across the street.
jack posobiec
But then you have to fast forward, too.
So it's nine months later when the WHO, and this is what Tim is referring to, when the WHO sends their team into the Wuhan lab.
Remember, it was this big thing.
Oh, the WHO team is going.
WHO team is going.
Who was the leader of that team?
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
Peter Daszak, the head of EcoHealth Alliance.
The same guy.
tim pool
And he, as I mentioned, he has the most experience.
So obviously when the Lancet went to do their investigation, well, of course we got to send Peter Daszak as well.
unidentified
He has the most to lose, so you should let him, let him take control of the situation.
tim pool
No, no, no, he's the expert.
Like Ian.
If I was going to investigate whether or not you were, you know, stealing cookies from the cookie jar and bringing them into your bedroom... Well, I think you should let me do that investigation for you.
ian crossland
I should let you because... You should let Ian investigate.
tim pool
You would know if you were eating the cookies.
ian crossland
I know where to look.
jack posobiec
You know your schedule, you know your pattern of life, you know your movements, right?
ian crossland
Can't lie to myself.
tim pool
Dude, they actually let the fox in the hen house.
jack posobiec
Twice.
That's literally what they did.
tim pool
And then what's funny is, so did Trump.
Fauci's the guy who approved the funding and lets this, it's absolutely remarkable.
jack posobiec
Well, and not only that, and this is, you know, I know I'm like supposed to be like Mr, you know, pro-Trump guy, but it actually is under Obama that gain of function is shut down, right?
They put a ban on gain of function through NIH.
And it's in the early days of the Trump administration that, now keep in mind that guys at the NIH, you know, this is a fiefdom, right?
So Collins, and so what people don't understand is that Collins is essentially Fauci's boss, right?
You know, Fauci's actually not the head of the entire NIH.
That's Collins.
So Collins and Fauci in the early days of Trump, you know, kind of during that transition period, they get this gain-of-function pause lifted.
They get the ban lifted.
And this is where, and you can see in some of these emails, they're talking about the P3 framework.
Well, what's the P3 framework?
This is supposed to be that if there's anything that comes up for approval in terms of these experiments that seems like it's crossing into that territory that could be gain-of-function, that it'll go through this review process and they bring in outside experts, they bring in this sort of like cadre to look at it and make sure the safeguards are followed, etc, etc.
Okay, that was never done.
And there's actually an email from Fauci where he's attaching One of the studies was in your article there, but it's another email that's out where the study is talking about gain of function and Fauci sending it to one of his assistants saying, Hey, was, was this one of the things that we, that we funded?
And then he responds and he responds and says, well, I don't think so because I don't see anything in the P3 database.
So it doesn't look like we approved it.
Because they didn't, it was approved through Peter Daszak, and it was approved through EcoHealth Alliance.
And so it didn't go through the review process because it wasn't done directly by NIH.
And this, again, you know, having spent time working in the federal government, having spent time working in that bureaucracy, you understand, these guys are bureaucrats.
Keep in mind, Anthony Fauci is our number one paid, highest paid federal employee, right?
You don't get to that point if you are not good at the game, if you are not good at civil service.
So, you know, do I think he's this like Machiavellian, string puller, puppet master behind the scenes?
No.
You know, I do think he wants to be seen as this sort of like Eminence Greece.
I have to, you know, credit to Rahim Kassam for giving me that one.
But sort of like, you know, the the power behind the throne that he wants to be seen as that guy.
But I think at the end of the day, he's an institutionalist and he wants to protect the institution.
tim pool
Let's talk about the politics here now.
So we got the story from the Courier-Journal.
Senator Rand Paul claims vindication, fundraisers, off of new Anthony Fauci emails.
Rand Paul questioned Fauci and said... What did he ask him?
Like, do you support the... Do you still support... He said, were you conducting gain-of-function research?
I thought he said, like, do you still support... And then Fauci is like, that is... Senator, that is incorrect!
jack posobiec
Entirely and completely!
tim pool
Absolutely incorrect!
No gain-of-function research was done.
That's not true.
jack posobiec
Well, and that whole interchange is amazing because if you go back and watch it, it's he denies that it ever took
place.
He denies any of this funding in Wuhan.
So Rand Paul pushes him a little bit more on it.
And then he starts defending why they funded experiments in Wuhan in the same exchange.
tim pool
To be fair, I think it's self-evident that he was lying.
And I wonder if when Dasik, the Ecohub Alliance guy, is, you know, talking to him on the phone or whatever the communications they were having outside of email, he's like, this is really bad that we're, you know, our research may have caused this.
We need to get in control of this.
So Fauci goes on TV and what dispels the myth, they say.
jack posobiec
And look at how early, right?
You look at how early those emails are.
You look at how early that conversation is.
tim pool
Was it February or March?
jack posobiec
This is like the very start and we're told dismiss, not a thing.
Don't worry about it.
Washington Post is running headlines.
Debunk, debunk, debunk.
Why is debunk?
Because Fauci said so.
tim pool
So I'll say, you know, because I take the more hyperbolic stance of saying it proves Fauci lied, these emails.
Because, in my opinion, I think Fauci's playing semantics.
Yes.
I think he's playing semantics to try and get around the fact that he lied to Rand Paul.
Under oath, by the way.
Under oath.
Many people are saying it was perjury.
And when he dismissed gain-of-function research, even though the people he sent the article to were like, oh yeah, it looks engineered.
So he's lying.
I think on top of this, Fauci was probably sweating bullets.
You hear news about this COVID thing and he's probably going like, who did we fund?
And then he calls EcoHealth Alliance and he's like, what did you guys do?
jack posobiec
Okay, you've got to find that email from his assistant then because that's what they say.
Do we have some link, some distance link, that's the phraseology they use, distant link to this work abroad.
So it's like they do everything they can to not use the word Wuhan or Wuhan Institute of Virology, but it seems like they know that there is an issue going on here.
And by the way, this whole thing, I should mention this, right?
You know, talking about emails and FOIA, this is why Hillary had set up that server, right?
Because she knew Foyle getcha!
Foyle getcha!
If you're a little loose, loosey-goosey with that stuff, and apparently that's what was going on here.
tim pool
In my opinion, and that email shows it, Fauci was probably, you know, pulling his collar going like, oh man, if this was one of our programs, and how many people died?
Millions?
Was it like three something million?
jack posobiec
Three and a half.
tim pool
Three and a half million.
jack posobiec
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And that's because he funded this research?
Now, they're not going to blame him directly, because he provided funding to an organization who provided funding to a Wuhan lab.
jack posobiec
But it's still this is this is the you know the classic Michael Crichton You know from ology of it where you know you you you only focused I'm gonna butcher the line But you know you only focused on what you could do and you never thought about whether or not you should right yeah, yeah, yeah, so Fauci And he has that op-ed now that that's coming out.
tim pool
I think it's from 2012 Where he was asked about the dangers of gain-of-function research, and what did he say?
He said, even if it does escape the lab and cause some kind of... It's worth the risk.
It's worth the risk.
jack posobiec
It's worth the risk.
And so this is what gets me back to my initial statement, though.
My thesis is, where are these emails?
And it's possible that this was on a different, you know, okay, those were, you know, maybe that was classified, maybe that was done on a higher server because of communication.
There's all sorts of reasons that something would be classified, right?
And that it wouldn't show up in FOIA.
I was never NIH, so I don't know whether or not they operate under a classified system.
But I understand that if you know, obviously, something is at the secret level or TS level, it's not going to be coming out in the FOIA.
That being said, he easily could have come out and said, Yeah, we were looking into this.
And oh, by the way, here are the top 10 things we found in Wuhan that are similar to this.
This is just like that study that you know, Shi Zhengli, the bat woman, and she came up with this study from A year ago that these spike proteins, that's exactly what we looked at.
And here's, you know, here's this plan on the shelf.
So the idea behind all of this, or at least sort of the, you know, the raison d'etre was that there would be an on the shelf plan or game plan for, okay, we we've, this is the one that's crossed over to the human population.
This is the coronavirus that made it.
It was this variant.
So we've studied it.
We have an understanding of how it works.
These are the best things to use against it, right?
That was the entire point.
Where is that work?
Where is any of that?
tim pool
After a decade, what were they doing?
What did they ultimately develop?
And it seems to be a whole lot of nothing.
jack posobiec
And it comes up in ventilators, and remember the ventilators are the big thing.
And then Matt, do masks work?
Do they not work?
He tells them when they don't work, then he comes out saying that, well, we should anyway, because of, you know, the percentages in terms of the population.
And so you're looking at this going, well, wait, you know, just based on what you're saying, You know, the whole point of funding Wuhan, the 2012 op-ed, was that we would have some, you know, early warning system in place.
tim pool
I pulled up the article.
So it was a it was a 2011 article, I believe.
The New York Post reports Fauci once argued for risky viral experiments, even if they can lead to a pandemic.
And now the article from Washington Post, it's actually you search for Google and it pops up because so many people are clicking on it.
But I want to make one point I've made a couple of times in the past couple of weeks.
Initially, Fauci said, don't wear masks.
And he does this interview on 60 Minutes, came out in March, and he was like, masks are for people who are infected, to stop them from infecting others.
Right now, people should not be wearing masks.
It might stop a droplet, but, you know, we don't, you shouldn't be walking around.
And then in the email that everyone's sharing, it's from February, he says basically the same thing to someone who asked for advice.
Here's the problem with this.
Fauci comes out in July and says, I said that because we knew our medical professionals needed the PPE because they're the ones who have to deal with sick people.
But Fauci said masks don't protect you from sick people.
So why would the medical professionals need it?
They're not going to get the sick person sick, and it's not going to prevent them from getting sick.
But medical professionals still need them, I guess, in general.
Okay, fine, that's fair.
jack posobiec
It's like, why does the x-ray technician stand behind the thing?
Because they're the ones there all day.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So you have doctors with the masks because they're treating the sick people.
Did Fauci not consider that if people wore masks they wouldn't spread the virus and then the doctors wouldn't need as many masks because they wouldn't be working long hours with sick people?
You see the problem here is either Fauci's a real moron because he doesn't understand cause and effect.
We'll tell everybody not to wear masks because we and he says on 60 minutes the mask will stop an infected person
from infecting others Then he tells everyone don't wear the masks because the
doctors need them to treat you when you get sick because no one was wearing
jack posobiec
masks Meanwhile, the the spread is continuing throughout the
population Which means that a higher percentage of doctors of course
is going to need them So it is this sort of interesting thing
Where you get into and you know Thomas all rates about this where there are certain people who it seems that when they
when they?
think about problems they take out that human element.
That element of human nature, that element of, you could get into a whole like liberal conservative kind of thing about this where, you know, look, I would love to live in this world where it's just it's utopia and everybody shares things, but human nature is real and you can't get away from that.
tim pool
And, you know, this genius is why Fauci commands, what, like $430,000 a year from the federal government?
jack posobiec
More than the president.
tim pool
He gets paid more than the president.
jack posobiec
More than the president, yeah.
tim pool
That's incredible.
jack posobiec
Certainly more than the last president.
tim pool
Yeah, well, Trump was giving away a salary, but the president gets $400,000.
jack posobiec
I actually made more than the last president.
unidentified
There you go.
jack posobiec
Like, everyone gave me more than the last president.
tim pool
Yeah, because he was giving himself a dollar.
jack posobiec
I think he legally had to do $1 or something.
tim pool
He would donate it.
jack posobiec
And then he would still donate that dollar.
tim pool
Yeah, so for all of this, for all of this genius, Fauci gets all that money.
So I saw you tweet, you said that they're actively planning an exit for the guy?
jack posobiec
Yeah, so I got a message late last night, and of course I was up watching Batman cartoons.
tim pool
Which Batman cartoons?
jack posobiec
Actually, Batman versus Robin.
So I'm getting into like the old, like the standalone movie series that came out, um, I guess from like the 2015 era.
tim pool
And now that I've built the suspense up, let's go back to.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
So it was a bad movie.
Robin was actually really good.
I like totally got sucked in.
I hadn't watched it and then it was on my plaque.
So it was like, Oh, check this out.
And it's like, really?
And my kid didn't like it.
Cause it's like, it's like much more adult.
Everyone's on the edge of their seats right now going, just tell us what happened!
But basically they said, look, because the emails came out from BuzzFeed, right?
They can't put it in that sort of bucket of, oh, that's conservative media, right?
It came out from BuzzFeed.
The Washington Post apparently had a similar FOIA, so they came out as well.
And so it had to be something that they responded to.
He's got a book for the good doctor.
thing now obviously they're talking about multiple angles on this but they're
saying you know what maybe since this thing is winding down we can look at a
potential exit strategy he's got a book for the good doctor does he have a book
does he because so we saw that Fauci essentially this announcement came out
about a Fauci book but then I went on Amazon later later this afternoon and
the listing was gone Totally gone.
Well, people were saying, you know, is he is he profiting from the pandemic?
This seems unseemly.
They were making comparisons to Andrew Cuomo.
So, you know, so it's like, you know, it's like woke, downplay the virus, you know, broke, downplay the virus, woke, fund Wuhan, bespoke, put the actual, you know, infected patients in the nursing home.
So that's Cuomo.
He's even next level.
So, you know, I don't know if it's that.
I don't know.
It could also be a legal thing, right?
He's still a federal employee.
But it does definitely seem like there's something going on and that his tenure may be coming to an early close.
tim pool
Did you see how BuzzFeed framed the emails?
How Fauci was trying to keep things together in a time of chaos.
jack posobiec
My favorite is CNN.
It's a complete hagiography.
We're not going to discuss anything that's actually in the emails, but you know the fact that he was able to respond to so many emails while he was so busy.
There he is, Dr. Fauci, exhausted, late into the night, responding to email after email.
Just a wonderful, wonderful man for this frank honesty.
tim pool
And then I'm like, why didn't they frame it like the New York Post did?
Like, early emails suggest Fauci knew the potential for a lab leak, COVID being engineered.
jack posobiec
Because it feels like CNN is sort of the last legacy media outlet that is really on this sort of Fauci train that we know.
This is a government employee, right?
He's a bureaucrat.
He's a leader.
We should be skeptical of all government employees and government officials.
But we don't need to hold them up as some sort of paragon of wisdom and the Oracle of Delphi or something like this.
He's a government guy.
But CNN is still on that train.
They're still trying to sell the Fauci merch.
They're still trying to do all this.
Even BuzzFeed has turned.
tim pool
I'm thinking to myself, why would they publish any emails at all?
Because many of them make them look bad.
And then try and frame the story as a positive.
Not to mention the implications of Mark Zuckerberg.
jack posobiec
So Zuckerberg's emails are interesting.
A lot of the Peter Daszak stuff was actually kind of out there already.
So me looking at it was like, well, you know, we kind of knew this, but it is nice to have that confirmation.
Because again, it becomes one of those things.
you know, sort of the journalistic game of, you know, it's not what you know, but it's what you
can prove in court. So the fact that you have the emails now where they are discussing gain of
function, huge, huge, monumental, right? And just in terms of newsworthiness, but in terms of the
overall story, it just kind of fills in those gaps that we basically all suspected to begin with.
But the Zuckerberg stuff is super interesting to me, because when you when you look at
the whole situation of not just Zuckerberg and Fauci, right?
But you look at Zuckerberg from his perch throughout 2020, right?
And so there he is talking to Fauci in the beginning of 2020.
Hey, how can we help?
How can we?
And I do think he probably meant that in, you know, from coming from a good place.
I do want like he does want to help, you know.
So he goes to Fauci and Fauci is telling him, oh, we need the social distancing and that eventually it becomes lockdowns and Facebook is pushing those.
And then later on, when the lockdowns are coming, say, oh, we're locked down.
How are we going to have an election?
And who is it that comes in?
And so many people have reported on this, that it's it's these foundations that are then set up and funded by Zuckerberg Chan to help with the election in many of these cities and many of these Typically trending blue areas.
Also Zuckerberg.
And it's kind of one of those things where you really look back and we say, do we as a society want any one person, right?
William Randolph Hearst is a great example.
One unelected person to have that level of influence in our country.
ian crossland
No, especially with Hearst.
It's pretty obvious what he did with to marijuana and his tree paper mill industry.
I don't know if you're much familiar with Hearst, but he's like a paper magnet and all these newspapers decided he didn't like the competition of people growing hemp and making like parchment out of hemp.
tim pool
So he started printing all this propaganda about why hemp was so dangerous and driving people insane and use this propaganda paper to And Zuckerberg is doing the modern version of this, where you go on Facebook and you say, these opinions aren't allowed.
These opinions are.
And then you hire thousands of people.
jack posobiec
And to bring it full circle, what were those opinions a year ago?
tim pool
Oh, you couldn't talk about LabLeak.
jack posobiec
You couldn't talk about LabLeak.
tim pool
I mean, there's still a bunch of stuff you can't say.
I don't even know.
I'm sitting here waiting.
YouTube will eventually ban us, I guess.
Steven Crowder was talking about CDC numbers and YouTube gave him a strike.
jack posobiec
I hadn't heard that, really.
tim pool
Seriously?
No, no, no, I think that was the first one.
They had a warning before, he got a strike, then he got a warning, then he got a strike over the CDC, and then the second strike, I think, was because they were saying that the police were justified in the shooting of Micaiah Bryant, and YouTube was like, you were celebrating it, so then they had taken off.
But the first strike, When he mentioned that he was talking about CDC guidelines, and he said some specifics, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he was basically just saying, like, here's what CDC says, here's what we think, YouTube, game is strike four.
jack posobiec
Right, and to your point, this is the problem, right?
This is the problem with allowing these social media platforms to be arbiters of truth, because they become arbiters of discussion.
And at the same time, going back to the FOIAs, now that we see the Fauci leaks, now that we see the emails in there, he's having the exact same discussions internally that people were trying to have on social media.
Zero Hedge, of course, was sort of the canary in the coal mine of this, because they're one of the very first places that was publicly talking about the Wuhan lab.
They were zapped permabanned on Twitter for this.
Now they were reinstated.
But when that first came out, that sent a people talking about the repercussions.
Oh, that was just your head.
No, no, no.
What were the repercussions of that?
What was the secondary and tertiary effects?
Everyone was basically told the message was sent.
This topic is verboten.
You are not speaking about this.
This is like talking.
This week is the Tiananmen Square anniversary of the massacre June 4th.
So it's like talking about Tiananmen Square in China.
If this is done, you will be disappeared.
That's the message it sent to everyone.
ian crossland
That's the freakiest thing about cancel culture is not only is it top down authoritarian, you're banned, but it's that people become afraid of even mentioning it.
So it's like the grassroots effect of cancel, you know, just like canceling yourself before you even begin.
jack posobiec
Well, if you talk to people who who are from the Soviet Union, my wife is from the Soviet Union.
She was born there.
You realize that because you don't know where the rules are, you don't know where the fault lines are, you don't know where the ideological landmines are, you know, am I supposed to like this person or hate this person, that kind of stuff, the only way to really be safe is to not have opinions.
Right?
Is to not question anything, not have opinions on things.
It's to shut down in a very internalized way.
So the overall, you know, the final end state of cancel culture is that you're cancelling your own mind.
You're cancelling your own opinions.
You're cancelling your individuality.
And that's, and it's internal.
The censor is actually in, you don't need, you know, the ministry of truth because that's just in your head every day.
lydia smith
That really disturbed, that really disturbs me because then they're removing themselves.
It doesn't have to be the government.
It doesn't have to be Facebook.
It doesn't have to be Twitter.
jack posobiec
I'm not saying Tanya, by the way, I'm not saying Tanya is like that, you know.
Believe me, she's been to America a lot.
She makes her opinions known and she speaks her mind quite often.
tim pool
Remember that photo from, it was the Soviet Union and there's like Stalin, he's on a boat and there's a guy next to him.
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But then like all of a sudden there's another photo and there's like no guy next to him.
tim pool
What was that called?
Do they have a name for that, or a word for what they were doing with history?
jack posobiec
I mean, so airbrushing.
Back in the day?
tim pool
Yeah, airbrushing.
jack posobiec
One thing, it reminds me of something I heard from a North Korean defector once, who was talking about this situation, and he said, you know, and it's not as nice as the way Solzhenitsyn would put it, but the defector said, look, We know that they're lying about the United States.
We know that they're lying about the Western world.
We know that you're not just killing each other all the time, and it's like race war and racial strife constantly.
We know it's not like that, right?
And this chaotic situation.
But the problem is, because of the censorship, we don't know what the truth is.
So we don't know what it actually is like.
Because we have nothing to verify it on, we have nothing to Compare it to.
tim pool
Let's talk about how scary things can really get.
I got the story from The Hill.
Washington Post issues correction on 2020 report on Tom Cotton lab leak theory.
Now that headline from The Hill is irresponsible in my opinion, because they did not issue a correction.
They issued what's called a stealth edit, which I'm sure many may be familiar with, but let me show you this tweet from Greg Price.
Greg is, uh, he just, he doesn't have a bio, but he's verified on Twitter.
That proves, that means everything.
jack posobiec
Oh, Greg's a Daily Caller.
tim pool
Daily Caller, there you go.
jack posobiec
Yeah, he's great.
He's a good guy.
tim pool
He tweets, democracy dies in stealth edits on 15-month-old headlines.
The first image, the Washington Post says, Tom Cotton keeps repeating a coronavirus conspiracy theory that was already debunked.
And now it reads, Tom Cotton keeps repeating a coronavirus fringe theory that scientists have disputed.
So what happens is, right now it's happening across the board on tons... He's been upgraded from debunked to fringe.
jack posobiec
That's right.
tim pool
Or from conspiracy to fringe, and debunked to disputed by scientists.
It's not the only outlet doing this.
jack posobiec
Congratulations, Senator Cotton.
tim pool
These news outlets are literally rewriting history.
jack posobiec
They are.
tim pool
Think about what it used to be like in the past.
A hundred years ago.
jack posobiec
Oh, this is Winston Smith.
What is?
This is the plot of 1984.
Oh, there you go.
That's his job, right?
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
In the beginning, he's the guy who edits old newspapers.
tim pool
But in reality, a hundred years ago, a newspaper would come out and it would say, you know, Jack Posobiec does backflip.
And you'd be like, there it is.
It's reported.
And there's a photograph of Jack doing this amazing backflip.
jack posobiec
You should see my backflip.
tim pool
It's fantastic.
Nowadays, There'll be an article on, you know, Washington Post's website, and it'll show the backflip, and then a month later, without anyone noticing, the article will be different, and it'll say, Jack Posobiec falls doing backflip.
And the photo is still there, but it looks a little different, or it's a different photo, or it's gone altogether.
See, back in the day, a hard copy wouldn't be changed.
They would have to issue a correction later on if they made a mistake, in the next paper.
Today, they don't even issue corrections, they just change the articles.
Now here's where it gets crazy.
Wikipedia, supposed to be this great encyclopedia of the modern era, right?
How many articles on Wikipedia use that Washington Post story that says, debunked conspiracy?
The story's different now.
Do we go and delete all those encyclopedia entries that are now incorrect?
This is a huge problem with how we are collecting and disseminating information in today's era.
News organizations can just change what they said a year and a half later, and then our encyclopedias don't make sense anymore.
Because if someone were now to write an article related to COVID, they could use this article, the same link, to make a different point.
They could say, you know, it was a fringe theory.
Scientists dispute it, while, as another article says, it's a debunked conspiracy theory.
So these inconsistencies will start popping up the more and more they do this.
jack posobiec
And to piggyback on what you're saying, Let's say you've been living under a rock, right?
For the longest time, you're just someone who's like total normie, not interested in any, for whatever reason, you're not interested in COVID-19.
You know, but you want to learn about it now.
You say, what's this lab leak theory people are talking about?
I want to dig into it a little more.
And they say, oh, Cotton brought it up and it was disputed back then.
But that's not true, right?
So if the Washington Post wanted to tell the truth, they could have said, yes, it was considered a conspiracy theory when it was first talked about.
However, over time, It gained traction.
And here's why it gained traction.
And here's the actual story of it.
But this is the problem because they don't set themselves up as... I mean, think about it.
You don't have to have a position on anything anymore, right?
Because your position is we are the truth.
And so if we are truth, then whatever truth is can become a moving target.
tim pool
Instead of it being what the truth is, we will report?
What they're saying now is what we report is the truth.
jack posobiec
Is the truth, right, exactly.
tim pool
So it doesn't matter what really happened, it just matters what they decide to put on paper.
jack posobiec
And that's a problem.
That's a huge problem.
tim pool
It has been that way to an extent for a long time, but now stealth editing has become so widespread.
And when it comes to very serious historical moments like this, this is actually really scary.
You know why?
If we're not collecting information in any other capacity, I mean, I suppose we have archives.
We have, uh, you know, Archive.is.
We have the Wayback Machine.
What happens in 50 years?
In 100 years?
And they're like, what happened with COVID?
And they look back at all the articles and it says, lab leak was confirmed very early on.
Tom Cotton.
So, so right now it says Tom Cotton pushes fringe theory.
Great.
In a year, I'll say Tom Cotton pushes proven theory.
They're going to go back and rewrite history.
We knew the whole time Tom was right.
So what happens in 100 years?
History will be dramatically different.
We witness it.
We witness the media lying.
But future generations are gonna look back at the archives and they're gonna be like, they were always right.
See?
Washington Post wrote, Tom Cotton is correct about lab leak theory.
That's what the headline says now.
And they rewrite the story.
Why change it?
Why not just put, like, you know, The Guardian does this, a thing up here that says, this article is three years old.
jack posobiec
Right, yeah, I actually like that, even though I don't like The Guardian.
Right, I agree.
But I actually like that they put that up because even if, it's one of the things where, you know, someone will do this on Twitter to get retweets sometimes, where they'll post, like, an old article, but they'll make it seem as if it's breaking.
I hate that.
Yeah, you know what I'm talking about?
And then it starts getting shared a lot.
Well, and I don't know if Guardian was thinking about this, and sort of the social media interplay where people only read headlines anymore, because that's what's happening more and more, is that when you do click it the first time, that it'll show, hey, just so you know, big blinking letters, this thing is several years old, this information could be out of date.
And by the way, that's okay!
Because things change in life, right?
You know, stories have a beginning, middle, and end.
Sometimes they keep going.
Sometimes you get the MCU and there is no story.
lydia smith
All right.
jack posobiec
Oh!
We got jokes, folks.
We got jokes.
Or you get The Simpsons, where it just kind of like trails off into the oblivion.
But, you know, it allows you to sort of understand this.
And this is a plot in actually a lot of movies, where you're going through the microfiche and you're understanding, oh, so this happened here, and then this happened, and then you're able to weave the narrative together.
If you don't have that, then how do you figure out anything?
tim pool
What I really love about this media phenomenon is that there are a lot of organizations that will do an aggregation of, say, the AP or Reuters.
And so it'll just say, like, Yahoo News, and then it'll say New York Post.
I find this all the time, because Yahoo News will pick up a lot of stories.
jack posobiec
Yeah, Yahoo News is really weird like that.
And because they have some that are internal, but a lot that are from somewhere else.
tim pool
And it'll just say New York Post.
So what's funny is the New York Post will put out a story and then issue a correction.
And Yahoo News will run the uncorrected, the false version.
And they both simultaneously exist as certifiable, credible organizations for Wikipedia's editors and NewsGuard certified.
So you can literally just pick which narrative works best for you, I suppose.
jack posobiec
then.
tim pool
Choose your own reality.
Well, as we know, people choose news, which confirms their bias.
So the conservatives will find the corrected piece and go, oh, right there, and they'll
post it on Facebook.
And the Democrat liberals and those in the leftists will be like, oh, right there, the
Yahoo version, they'll post it.
And now you have two versions of the same story.
I'll tell you what, though, man.
It really does feel like... There was an article written in American Greatness by... Man, I'm forgetting the guy's name.
But he writes that the Democrats have already seceded from the Union, talking about the crazy things they're doing.
They don't believe in the history of this country.
They don't believe in the rule of law.
They've intervened in the Chauvin trial, demanding violence.
Clearly, they're not working in the same capacity as we are.
jack posobiec
By the way, did you see Chauvin?
He said, I want a new trial, number one, but number two, I should only get probation because the system is completely broken.
tim pool
Yep.
Well, so this is interesting.
I remember the Sondland hearing, probably the most important example of what's happened to this country.
I can't remember where the image is from, but I think it was at the gym.
And there's two TVs side by side.
There's Fox News and there's like ABC.
This is the first impeachment.
This was Ukrainegate.
jack posobiec
Yeah, so that was the first impeachment.
One that we don't even talk about anymore.
tim pool
Sondland said, Donald Trump told me no quid pro quo.
But I kind of felt like there was one.
So Fox News, the chyron says, Sondland, quote, Trump said no quid pro quo.
On the TV to the left of it, Sondland confirms quid pro quo.
How can we function as a country when people are like, Fox News is lying, it's fake news?
I'm like, but they quoted the guy.
They quoted Sondland what he was saying.
And then they're like, but ABC News, they get to the truth.
And then conservatives look at it and they're like, that's a quote.
If you can take one sentence and turn it into two completely opposite news stories, and it results in people at each other's throats, mass conflict in the streets, riots, I don't see how we come back from that.
jack posobiec
Well, and the problem is, and it's something that, you know, you've talked about a ton, but I think we've all experienced it, where so many of these outlets have gotten away from, hey, we're not going to be arbiters of truth, we're going to be arbiters of narrative, because we're chasing an audience.
And we're chasing clicks.
tim pool
Have you seen the Project Veritas deposition of Loren Windsor?
jack posobiec
No, I haven't seen that.
tim pool
So, I don't know the full context.
It's just one of the clips I saw from James O'Keefe.
They put out talking about, you know, suing the New York Times and all that.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
And they asked this woman, and I may be getting this wrong, so just double check and go watch the video, but they said something like... James will sue us all if we get it wrong.
No, they know it's... But the lawyer asks this woman, Why didn't you include this video in what you were producing?
And she just shrugs and goes, because it wasn't necessary for the narrative we were trying to produce.
And I hear that and I'm like, the narrative you are trying to produce.
That's crazy.
jack posobiec
Well, you talk to, you can figure this out if you go to any journalism school, right?
And talk to any student there, you know, we should get like FLECAS or somebody or Campus Reform to do one of these, you know, sort of man on the street interviews with journalism school students and people studying that major if they have any, you know, if we go back to campus learning.
And ask the question then again of, why are you going to journalism school?
Why do you want to be a journalist?
The answer, I guarantee you 90% because I want to change the world.
I want to change the world because I want the world to be a better place.
I want this.
I want that for the world.
And I want that power of journalism to get me there.
Okay, great.
But that's not journalism.
tim pool
No, that's activism.
You saw that woman from the AP who got fired?
The pro-Palestinian woman?
So this woman gets hired by the AP, then she starts complaining there's a right-wing smear campaign against her.
jack posobiec
Not just pro-Palestinian, by the way.
She was like the pro-Hamas in some cases.
tim pool
Like anti-Israel.
Yeah, very anti-Israel.
But for me even, right?
I'm not going to even play the political argument.
I'm going to tell you why she should have been fired, period.
So whether or not you want to get into her politics or anything like that, there's one simple fact.
She gets hired by the Associated Press.
There's a bunch of people complaining she's pro-Palestine, she's anti-Israel.
And she argues these were past tweets, and the left says they're old tweets, it shouldn't matter.
I said, why does she want to be a journalist when she is an advocate for one side of a conflict?
What was the point of her trying to get that job?
The AP was right to fire her and they should have never hired her.
Someone comes to me and says, Hey, I'd like to report on the southern border crisis.
I'd be like, I'm down.
We could use some reporting.
And then I see in their Twitter, it's all just vitriol about Trump and, you know, and the kids in cages.
I'm going to be like, I don't think you're actually going to report on this.
If I want to hire an activist to do advocacy, I will.
I want to see a report from someone who's, like, dry and says, I spoke with the president's administration, you know, Tom Homan said X, Y, and Z, though the activist organizations say A, B, and C. I'll be like, okay, that's reporting.
Instead, what's happening is activists are trying to get jobs at news organizations.
They've succeeded greatly.
And now that she got fired because she's an activist, and the AP said she tweeted after the fact.
I looked at her current tweets.
Yeah, she's retweeting people who are very pro-Palestine.
Like, how can anyone expect to get legitimate news from someone who was advocating for an outcome in the conflict?
She's going to tell you bad information.
But the activists are claiming it's free speech under attack and it's a right-wing smear campaign because they are subversive and trying to inject activists into media because they know if you control the narrative, you control what people have access to, if they don't know the truth, they can't fathom the truth.
If the only thing they hear is your propaganda, they will side with you.
They've been doing it for a long time, and it's working.
It's one of the times they failed, and they only failed... I don't even think they failed because of Ben Shapiro.
They're like, it's Ben Shapiro's fault!
You know, he was smearing this journalist!
Like, oh, well, I mean... The AP said it was unanimous.
They looked at her tweets and said, nah, you can't work here.
You can't do that.
jack posobiec
And the real question is, of course, you know, why did that not come up in the review process and the hiring?
So maybe I'm going to hire that person and not say, Hey, what did they put on social media?
Did we're going to talk about a specific issue?
I want you to report on this.
What's your past work on that?
You know, let's, let's see, let's, let's see your reel.
You know, if I'm, if I'm getting someone in, you know, um, you know, in terms of videos, like, Hey, let me, let me see your reel.
Let me see your sizzle reel.
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Right.
jack posobiec
What, what, what do you got, what do you got for me?
Oh, okay.
So you're, you're completely in the tank for this one side.
tim pool
Got it.
Think about how, in my opinion, you'd have to be really dumb to even consider doing this.
Let's say this person who is, you know, anti-Israel, pro-Palestine says, I want to be a journalist and I'm going to go and I'm going to report from this place.
It's like, what do you think is going to happen if some of these like very strong results of the other side get wind of your reporting?
You got, you got, AP says, we'd like you to go and interview this Zionist extremist.
Really out there guy.
Street, you know, group of people.
They're going through the streets and they're angry and crazy.
And then this journalist is going to show up and they're going to be like, we looked at your Twitter history.
You think that you're going to engage in propagandizing for one side of a conflict and be able to go and interview the other side?
They're going to be like, you're clearly not my friend.
Well, first of all, you can't get the interview, so even if it was just activism, but let alone the fact that you might actually be perceived as a belligerent, like actually coming to do them harm.
Now, that's mostly true of Antifa and what we've seen in New York and stuff.
It's typically not the Israeli groups, the pro-Israel groups that are going around attacking people, so I'll make sure that's clear.
But you can't expect to do an interview at all.
jack posobiec
If a journalist shows up and tries to interview someone on the right... Well no, and shameless book plug, but I just did the Antifa book, it just came out, antifabook.com, but we get into this where Julio Rojas from Town Hall, where he would go and...
He's at these events and just trying to be there as media.
And he's like, I want to just interview people who are part of Antifa, who are trying to, you know, I did this myself in 2017.
Andy Ngo has gone out there.
You know, I hope everything's OK with Andy right now.
Of course, know that, you know, he's got a situation.
tim pool
But was that him?
jack posobiec
I don't know for sure if that was him.
tim pool
He hasn't tweeted since!
jack posobiec
Reportedly there's a situation, put it that way.
Regardless, hope he's safe.
I pray for the guy.
But you know that these Antifa groups, if they see you filming, regardless of who you are, unless they know, this is something that came up when I was in CHAZ, and if they don't recognize you and they know you by sight, or they've kind of seen you around the scene before, You know, have some kind of an idea of you or or most likely they've been following you on social media.
And so you're sort of an approved documenter.
They will get in your face.
They will put up umbrellas.
They will attack you.
They will assault you.
They will milkshake you.
They will, you know, try to push you down concrete steps like they did to me at the Lincoln statue.
last year. So if you are identified as someone who's seen as a conservative, or even someone
who's just not on our team, right, you are pushed out, you are not allowed to do anything
with this. And this is actually they handed. So with Julio in his situation, this is in
DC, I believe, they actually handed him a list of if you're going to cover us, you have
to follow all of these rules.
You can't film something where someone's committing a crime.
You can't film anyone's faces if their mask comes off.
You can't film if anyone has their phone out.
Any of these different things that could possibly identify them, right?
And they are setting these.
And so the question then becomes, if you are someone who considers yourself a journalist and you're going in and embedding or at least getting close to these events, are you following those rules?
And if you're doing so, then are you taking their side?
tim pool
Of course.
You're working for them.
You're licking their feet.
I'll tell you a story.
I went to Boston, and there was a right-wing, pro-right-wing thing.
I think it was like 2018.
And there was a left-wing, counter-Antifa group shows up.
The first thing I have to point out, what were the right-wing individuals holding?
They were all holding some kind of object.
They were holding shields.
What were the Antifa people holding?
What do you think?
jack posobiec
Two by fours.
tim pool
Clubs, crowbars, bats, two-by-fours.
And so I'm like, clearly someone's come here to fight and beat people, and clearly someone's here seeking to defend themselves.
But something interesting happened.
There was an individual who looked like a lefty, but was a journalist, taking pictures of both sides, but was wearing some LGBT pride stuff.
And they went over to take photos of the right-wing group.
Some guy, a couple guys on the right started screaming, you know, FU, Antifa, and the three percenters who were there immediately ran up and stopped the right wing guys and told them to shut up, back off, and let them take photos.
jack posobiec
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
There were several periods where the right were trying to get rowdy and the three percenters immediately told them to back off and were screaming at them.
So the three percenter guys that were there were just wearing, like, they didn't have any weapons.
They were wearing, like, some kind of light tactical gear, but didn't really have much with them.
And they were telling people on the right to chill out, back up, get away.
So when someone from the left would come over, they would immediately turn around and tell the right to chill out.
I think that was the right move because I'd imagine these guys on the right would pummel one of these Antifa guys pretty bad.
They were by themselves walking over, you know what I mean?
So what do I see when I walk over to the Antifa side?
And I'm not dressed like a right-wing guy.
I get a guy swinging at me.
He hits my phone a couple times, tries to get in my face, tells me to hit him.
And that's the difference between what happens when you go and try and report on these things.
The people on the right, I can walk into, you know, I go back to Occupy Wall Street era.
I show up at CPAC.
It was like 2012 CPAC.
And I'm walking around.
And literally nothing.
No problems.
Nothing happens.
People are like, how's it going?
Have a nice day.
That's it.
You show up to one of these Occupy protests.
Even when I was down there and half the people liked me, I still had Antifa attacking me.
I was physically attacked three times in New York during Occupy Wall Street proper.
Physically attacked by these people.
And they supposedly liked me!
So why would a journalist want to be involved in that?
You have to basically just tell them you have to say whatever they want you to say.
So you're not really doing reporting.
jack posobiec
Well, so we get I get into this a little bit in my chapter as well, because when we when we talked about the journalistic
failures that were going on and actually Chief Carmen Best, who was this the police chief that resigned in Seattle, and
then Seattle in the wake of all this, and has said that it was like a disinformation campaign, because here's what
would happen is the dynamic was the media would go there.
Most of the mainstream media would go during that including Fox News would go there during the day.
Right, they would set up, they would have their huge cameras, their huge lights, they would do a hit.
And you know, during that time, you get like the day trippers, you get tourists, you get people just there with their kids walking around.
And it is sort of generally a sociable atmosphere, you know, people, the drugs are kind of, you know, freely going around.
There's no police.
Remember, that was the whole thing.
There was no police for 12 blocks.
So...
Then at night, all of those reporters would leave and they would go back to their hotels or go to the bar and drink craft beer or whatever.
They'd leave.
That's when all of the violence was going on.
That's when the Black Blocs would really start coming out in force.
That's when you actually saw criminal gang elements that had nothing to do with the social justice or Antifa aspects of this, but would come in because, hey, there's no cops here so we can go commit crimes and we can go do deals where we don't have to worry about being caught.
That's also where you then got those shootings.
There were five shootings on four separate occasions.
All throughout Chaz happened right after I left and I said, this is going to be a bubbling cauldron of violence.
I said that, you know, as we're walking out, I pulled my mask off and we kind of did like a live stream saying, you know, this is going to get bad.
Jenny Durkan, who was the mayor, now is not running again, by the way, in Seattle, because I think we know what happened there.
Um, it's, you had people dying, you had people being shot, you had people being killed, because, and reportedly this, the investigation is still open, but a lot of those early reports were that it was the CHAZ security, the John Brown Gun Club, that had actually been involved in some of these shootings, because they were, had this paranoid belief that, and, They were very specific about this, that the KKK was about to show up and raid CHAZ.
Not the Boogaloo Boys, not Proud Boys.
I mean, they knew who the Proud Boys were, but they were all certain that the KKK of Seattle, which apparently they think is a thing.
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I've never heard or seen anything like that.
tim pool
We gotta stop using their words.
It wasn't CHAZ security.
It was terroristic insurgents.
jack posobiec
Precisely.
tim pool
So what we often see with these conflicts is that the left will say it's George Floyd Square.
And then what happens is the media shows up and they film the peaceful inhabitants at George Floyd
Square, except for a couple of weeks ago when 30 gunshots ring out in the report.
jack posobiec
When it was drive-by shooting square.
tim pool
Exactly.
And so we keep referring to these things the way they demand they be referred to.
jack posobiec
Well, this is why with the whole Chazz Chop thing, right?
So they realized very early on that Chazz was really, really bad branding in their part, right?
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.
And the minute that media narrative got out and people said, wait, what do you mean you've declared yourselves autonomous?
You're autonomous from the United States?
You're your own country?
Within a couple of days, they get up.
No, no, we're just kidding.
We're actually the CHOP.
We're just, it's just an occupied protest.
We're trying to bring back some of that goodwill from, you know, Zuccotti Park and the original Occupy.
No, no, no.
tim pool
But what did conservatives do?
jack posobiec
A lot of conservatives adopted CHOP.
I never did.
tim pool
I wouldn't even call it CHES.
I wouldn't even call it that.
jack posobiec
What did you call it?
tim pool
A no-go zone.
jack posobiec
It was a no-go zone.
tim pool
That's it.
This was a far-left extremist no-go zone.
You look at the definition of a no-go zone.
Look at the standard colloquial understanding.
It means a place where the police are reticent to go.
The medical professionals, EMS, police, they don't want to go there because it's too dangerous.
Individuals only enter with great personal risk.
That's exactly what these places are.
jack posobiec
So we actually tracked one of the guys who was a member of this, or at least suited up to join the John Brown Gun Club in Chaz and Daniel Allen Baker.
This is a guy who was later arrested early 2021 down in Tallahassee, Florida.
Why?
Because he was planning a left-wing armed action at the Florida court, or excuse me, Florida Capitol, right?
Daniel Allen Baker.
He goes out there, travels from Florida to Chaz to create, to be this sort of militia security group.
Where did he have his training?
He's one of these Antifa guys that actually went to Syria to join the battlefield forces of the YPG.
This is the Kurdish group that's out there.
They're tied to the PKK, who are a terrorist designated group.
He's actually out there on the battlefield.
But of course, because they were fighting ISIS at the time, and you know, sort of more in fighting for the Kurdish areas, you get all these stories in Rolling Stone.
He's actually in one of the vice documentaries from Syria talking about how great it is that
these these left-wing just true believers are out here fighting for something fighting
for their own land, right?
It was almost sort of like they're trying to create this stateless space up there in
northeast Syria.
He comes back has the training from the battlefield has the TTPs.
He goes up there and Chaz and we've got these these quotes from him.
We've got tweets from him and he's saying look if we really want to have an autonomous
We've got to take this to the next level.
We need more guns.
We need explosives.
We need all sorts of things.
I'm quoting him, by the way.
And we need to take this to the next level because eventually the police are just going to come in here and shut this down.
But he was really pushing them to go for it.
Now, of course, we know that didn't happen.
But that very same guy claims, he claims, that he was one of the medics involved in one of these shootings.
The question is, of course, was he there as a medic or was he there as something else?
tim pool
Or one of the people that stripped all the evidence out of the vehicle when they pumped it full of hundreds of rounds killing two teenagers.
jack posobiec
Precisely.
They killed one that time.
The other one survived.
tim pool
The other one survived.
And now there's, I think, a couple lawsuits over these people who were killed.
The parents are blaming the city.
I mean, the city could have come in and swept it all up.
But these Democrat leaders, they favor this stuff.
jack posobiec
Right, and it does kind of create the moral question of, you know, do the people of the city, now do they deserve it?
No, obviously not.
And this is why I keep telling people just get out of cities.
You just need to be out of cities for a while because a lot of the people in the cities, you look at places like, I'm from the Philadelphia area originally, they just reelected the DA who's like, let's not prosecute people.
Let's let people out of jail.
Larry Krasner.
So he just won the primary.
Handle it.
Handily won the primary there.
So they are voting for this kind of stuff.
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St.
jack posobiec
Louis, same situation, right?
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St.
jack posobiec
Louis, which is now one of the murder capitals in terms of homicide rate of the United... St.
Louis, right?
Who would have thought, right?
That that would have been, you know, Ferguson.
I know you're at Ferguson.
And so if they're voting for this again and again, right?
The question is, is this what they want?
tim pool
Let me ask you a question.
So Jack just mentioned there was a guy in, this was the Seattle no-go zone with the terroristic insurgents of the far left, and he was talking about how they wanted to escalate things, but it never happened.
This guy who wanted violence and explosives, was he prosecuted?
Was he locked up?
Did the feds come and arrest him?
Did they put out his photo and say, please help us stop this dangerous terrorist?
jack posobiec
Yes, but not for that.
Not until much, much, much later when he said that he was going to do something at the Tallahassee capital in Florida in 2021.
For all of his activity, again, going to the Middle East and training with a terrorist designated group, going to CHAZ, being involved in all this stuff, not prosecuted for any of it.
tim pool
So here's a guy, far leftist, they didn't care about his goings on in Seattle.
jack posobiec
Complete and pure.
tim pool
There were a lot of other people.
Has anybody been arrested over the murders?
jack posobiec
No.
tim pool
I got a story for ABC News.
Prosecutors drop case against a man charged in Capitol riot.
Federal prosecutors have dropped the criminal case against a New York man who was accused of participating in the riot at the U.S.
Capitol.
The FBI went and arrested a man, because my understanding is a paid informant, told the FBI he was in the Capitol, and they said, good enough for us!
Went, arrested him.
Turns out, he wasn't.
Phone evidence apparently proves he wasn't.
They never had evidence.
Yet they're gonna go and track this guy down on the word of some random nobody, but these Antifa extremists?
Nothing.
jack posobiec
On this one, I did you actually pull up the charging documents on that?
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No.
jack posobiec
Oh, so I actually went into that earlier today.
And I was looking at it first as a story for human events.
We're still probably going to do it.
But I want to I want to give it do it justice.
But since you brought it up, I'll mention it.
This paid informant Sounds like, and again, they're very vague about it because they're trying very hard to make sure that they're not revealing their source on this.
He was in a Facebook group chat and it appears that he was in the group chat Prior to January 6, that he was already there.
So just taking that information as it is, you're looking at a capability, you're looking at a tactic the FBI is using.
They are paying people to go into Facebook group chats and keep track of what's going on in there.
Yep.
And so the question then becomes, as you're looking through their narrative, again, they're not showing the actual messages in this chat, because I think that might reveal who it is.
They're just referring to the messages.
So it becomes very hard to tell whether the guy they're talking about is the one who actually went in or whether it's somebody else who was in the group chat, because Even I remember having been in the Capitol in D.C.
on January 6th, but being in that area, I was across the street at the Wunderberg news studios, cell service was down, right?
You could not get access anywhere.
So it would be very interesting for me to hear that somebody was in the Capitol and able to post into a Facebook group chat in real time, right?
That almost to me makes it sound like he wasn't in the Capitol because I was having to make phone calls from the side of the street to people who were outside the area with access to be able to tell me what was actually happening inside.
tim pool
This is not the first time this has happened.
We had the story of the woman in Alaska.
jack posobiec
Yep.
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She posted a photo outside wearing- But that wasn't informant, that was something else.
tim pool
That was the feds just being like, we got her!
And then arresting the wrong person.
jack posobiec
No, that was, if you looked into that, That wasn't the first incident that she was involved in, if you look in terms of the timeline of when she came across the radar.
She was involved in a mask dispute with Alaska Airlines.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
And that's when the airline employee... And it seems like, well, we don't know for sure, but it seemed like it was the airline employee then thinks, I want to do something about this woman.
I'm very upset at her.
So then goes on to FBI's list of the faces that are pointed out and that have all been listed somewhere and said, yeah, you look kind of like that one.
And we're going to and so I'm going to send this to the FBI and say that you are definitely that person.
And so the FBI says, hey, we've got the word of an employee.
They've identified you.
This is this is the person we're coming.
And they raided her house on all this.
Now, by the way, going back to, you know, I'm not going to say circle back.
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We're not going to do that.
Not going to use that phrase.
Thank you, Jen.
jack posobiec
We love you so much.
But no, when it comes to Antifa, when it comes to these no-go zones, when it comes to the anti-fascist anarchist terrorism, this is never done, right?
We see their faces so many times.
We see the live streams.
This is never done.
tim pool
I got to argue with you.
You call them anarchists.
They're not anarchists.
jack posobiec
Well, they're anarcho-communists.
tim pool
They're not anarcho-communists.
They're tankies.
They're authoritarian communists.
jack posobiec
You get a swath of both.
tim pool
Yeah, but true anarchy means without authority.
So left anarchists are like hippies sitting down stoned and just not fighting.
If you've actually ever seen... I'm sure you know ANCAPS.
jack posobiec
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
They have the non-aggression principle.
That's a much more well-defined ideology.
Libertarians and Ancaps, you know, it's the free market, don't aggress on me.
The actual lefty anarchists, because I knew a bunch at Occupy, were absolutely opposed to fighting with cops, being confrontational.
These are the people that would like sit in circles in the street and like sing Kumbaya.
Because they also agree with, you can't assert force over someone else, that's a form of authority.
What happens is, you get these authoritarian communists, and there's varying degrees of authoritarian between them.
The tankies up in the far left of the quadrant who are like, take over, kill everyone who opposes us.
But then you have some who are like, we'll take it by force, it's the only way.
None of those people believe in a system without authority.
They believe they are the authority.
They believe they have they are the ones who have the moral authority to determine what is and and isn't and they will
use physical violence against you, which is the epitome of exerting authority against another person.
They do, however, use the word anarchy to describe themselves, however, disguise it.
jack posobiec
What if they're fighting fascism?
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
jack posobiec
Absolutely not.
No, but I'm saying this is what they use as sort of the justification in many of these cases.
This goes back to the original Antifa in Weimar, Germany.
tim pool
They're not anarchists.
jack posobiec
The system is fascism.
The police are fascism.
The military is fascism.
Banks are fascism.
The church is fascism.
Tim Pool is fascism.
tim pool
Those were communist antifascists.
YouTube is fascism.
They specifically called themselves communists?
jack posobiec
Well, this is where I say anarcho-communists.
tim pool
But the actual anarcho-communists, like, they're lying to you, basically.
jack posobiec
Oh, I agree with that.
Yeah, they're definitely lying.
tim pool
So the reason I always try to clarify on what anarchy is, because if these people truly believe anarcho-communism is hippies on a farm, that's it.
It doesn't scale up.
There's no, you know, 10,000 members, you know, a citizen city.
That's anarcho-communistic.
It's impossible.
So what ends up happening is the more a left anarchist wants to grow their society, the more authoritarian they naturally become.
They call themselves anarchists.
Often because they're trying to recruit people into believing they're the peaceful ones who want to empower you.
But they're lying.
So I don't like using their language.
jack posobiec
Some animals are more equal than other animals.
tim pool
Like if you talk to Michael Malice, he's a huge fan of anarchy and anarchism and he'll tell you what it actually is.
jack posobiec
Yeah, actually.
So I just, I got his book as well, where I think it's actually a, it's like essays on anarchism, but it's, it's like a compilation.
So he wrote some of it and then it's other essays.
And so we actually cover some similar topics.
So we both talk about Leon Czolgosz, who was the anarchist that killed McKinley.
We talk, Emma Goldman comes up in both.
Now, obviously his is a much more in-depth understanding just of anarchism, but it's interesting that we are both covering the same thing, but I think from different perspectives.
tim pool
Yeah, I view it like, you know, I've had long... So that's just one chapter for me.
Yeah, yeah.
I've had long discussions with a lot of people from Occupy Wall Street and the leftists, and I'm like, you know, how do you define authority?
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
And they typically will say, you know, like, the people who control the system, the top of the hierarchy, blah, blah, blah.
And then we inevitably get down to the philosophy of how... So what is an occupying form of authority, though?
Uh, it depends.
It depends on... So obviously you have the power principle that exists in the woke left, depends on who you're talking to.
But they typically will say that, you know, authority is, you know, the people who control the system and determine, you know, what is or isn't.
And I say, how do they control that system?
They say, with the police state, with violence and with force.
And I say, oh, okay.
So the exertion of physical force against another person to make them do what you want, that's authority.
And they were like, yes.
And I said, so when you go out and smash windows and start fires and beat people, what's the difference?
You just don't have the same level of power they do, but you certainly seem to want it and believe in it.
jack posobiec
So this came up one night when we were at Chaz.
This whole, like, Lord of the Flies, Hobbesian reality where there was a guy who was accused of theft.
I remember this.
And so, you know, not to go through the... Because, I mean, there was a whole thing.
It was like, you know, he broke into a car dealership and he was essentially stealing keys.
He was accused of stealing keys as well as a jacket.
He gets held by the owner.
Then they chase him out.
Then the whole sort of bulk of people hear about this.
They tear down the street.
My brother and I are standing right there as this is all going on.
We were just like interviewing some guy when we turned and the mob is just charging up the street at us.
And, and, you know, what do we do is start running, I guess, you know, what's going on, keep filming, right?
And, and so we do, we keep filming, they knock down the fence, they get in the guy bolts, he gets away.
But in this guy, being who he is, he comes back later, trying to like, act as if he's part of the group, like, hey, guys, what's going on?
And meanwhile, the son of the dealer owners is right there saying, Hey, you're wearing my dad's jacket, you're You're clearly the guy who just tried to rob.
Yeah, you know, the retired NYPD guy in a class I was in once said, you know, in the intel community, he said, like, you know, most of the people that that, you know, resort to crime aren't necessarily the smartest people to begin with.
So, you know, and he was like trying to get like sell people chips out of a bag.
It's like a backpack.
So they so they start chasing him again, once they identify him, they grab him, they hold him up and rest. So raz,
right, sort of the rest of moon, the warlord raz, right is there
at this point, he he cocks and locks right in front of me and
starts running down the street after this guy with the son of
the car dealer, the who has an ar 15 and kit, they're chasing
this guy, they grip him up, they have them up on the hood of a
car.
And then the question comes, right, you know, open your bag.
And and, you know, in the back of my head, I'm thinking, on whose authority, right?
On whose authority do I open this bag?
tim pool
They exert over others.
jack posobiec
The authority of force they exert over others.
This is where warlords come from.
This is Lord of the Flies.
This is Hobbes.
Life is nasty, Bridgerton's short.
He wins every time.
Because they had to resort to that immediately.
tim pool
So there are a lot of people who might say they're anarchists or whatever.
They wear all black.
They go and smash things.
But it's also important to realize some of these people don't have a political ideology.
You know, we assume if they're there with Antifa, then they must share their beliefs.
A lot of them are just smashing for the sake of smashing.
And if you talk to them, they won't tell that they won't understand any concept of political philosophy or any ideology.
jack posobiec
So we get into this a little bit in the book as well.
And I talk about Eric Hoffer, who's sort of the, you know, the working class philosopher of the 1950s who wrote this book called True Believers.
And he's talking about this situation.
You know, when you have this sort of mass of you know basically disenfranchised youth typically male
who are denied meaningful work or denied meaningful access to society or
at least the perception of denied meaningful access to society right you
get all these tensions that.
Will inherently bubble up and they will go go into some.
And so here's the thing, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even, you know, if you're looking at the situation now, and even You know, not consciously making this decision, but if the media is telling you, well, if you join this drinking and fighting group, you'll be prosecuted.
But if you join this one, you'll be celebrated, applauded.
And if something happens, you know, you'll either get a slap on the wrist or the charges will be dropped.
Which one are you going to join?
tim pool
That's why we see that there was that video out of Portland where some random kid runs up and punts a guy in the head.
That kid doesn't have a political ideology.
unidentified
That guy can't tell you anything about... Oh, that's from 2016, right?
No, no, no.
tim pool
This was, uh... The punt in the head, I think, was 2018.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was 2018.
A guy is running from the group of Antifa, and then they push him, he falls, and the kid runs up and then just... punts his head.
That kid doesn't believe in anything.
Most of those people there.
The mob that chases random people doesn't believe in anything.
So these are just useful idiots, just bodies for authoritarian communists.
The people who are willing to use violence to get their way.
So I'll put it this way.
The people you've met from Antifa, on a political ideology, do they believe in respecting your right to liberty?
jack posobiec
Absolutely not.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Right. They believe that they should dictate how you live and how everyone else should live.
Libertarian left, hey man, me and my friends are going to do our thing and cooperate,
and you do your thing. It doesn't scale. You can't have 10,000...
jack posobiec
No.
tim pool
You can't. But you can have a free market. A libertarian right can scale up infinitely.
jack posobiec
So this is the problem that Lenin ran into in the Soviet Union.
I'm looking for this Bolshevik revolution.
I'm looking for this worker revolution.
What is wrong with these workers?
They're just not revolting.
I don't understand.
Why do they just keep going to their jobs and working?
We need to come up with...
Well, well, perhaps, you know, the theory can't be wrong.
It's just we're just missing an element.
Yes, that's what it is.
We need a, you know, a group to lead the workers.
Yes, that's what it is.
And we'll call it the, of course, the revolutionary vanguard will be the end.
That'll be us, of course, because we're not stuck in these menial jobs while we will be the vanguard to to lead the workers in their uprising again.
Let's talk about the political realities of these leftists.
Did you see that OK Boomer girl apparently has a $2 million apartment in New York?
goes from Marxism to Marxist Leninism.
So Lenin adds this idea of the vanguard of the proletariat
and that becomes the Bolsheviks.
tim pool
Let's talk about the political realities of these leftists.
Did you see that OK Boomer Girl apparently has a $2 million apartment in New York?
jack posobiec
Doesn't surprise me.
tim pool
So we actually have a beautiful art just behind Jack of OK Boomer Girl.
jack posobiec
It's a Nico, right?
Nico something?
tim pool
Yeah, Nico.
So this is art from G Prime.
So this is Joe Biden as a gigantic Junji Ito style monster eating OK Boomer Girl.
So she's wearing a shirt that says tax the rich.
Apparently she lives in a $2 million apartment.
Congratulations on all your wealth and success.
Just don't pretend that you're a leftist when you are the bourgeoisie.
jack posobiec
Again, the vanguard of the proletariat.
Right, right, right.
tim pool
We also have this story that I want to break down.
We're getting back to the good old days, Jack, where we used to make fun of AOC all the time.
It was like she was the biggest news, right?
We have this story from the Daily Mail.
Quote, sell your $70,000 Tesla.
Critics slam Learjet liberal AOC for not helping her grandmother after she posted photos of her Puerto Rican home ravaged by Hurricane Maria and blamed Trump.
So here's what we know about AOC.
First of all, I am not happy to see that her grandmother is living in terrible conditions because of the hurricane that devastated Puerto Rico.
I'd love to be able to help out.
jack posobiec
There's a lot of people doing great work.
We should do like a fundraiser.
A give send go for AOC's grandma.
Her abuela, right?
Her abuela in Puerto Rico.
tim pool
Yeah.
Normally I would say yes, but I kind of agree with the critics.
I'm not going to assume AOC bought a Tesla in cash.
People seem to think that this Nikko woman, she has a $2 million apartment.
She doesn't have $2 million in cash.
She's got a mortgage.
It still means she probably had like $20,000 for closing costs and if she put on like 5%, so she still has a lot of cash to buy it.
AOC probably put a down payment on the car.
So AOC doesn't have 70 grand.
She probably put it down payment.
She probably got a loan for the car.
But she ain't doing too bad.
Apparently she lives in that really nice luxury hotel in, or I'm sorry, luxury apartment in D.C.
with an infinity pool.
We heard that story.
jack posobiec
So she's going to, she's going to make... Congressional salaries, about $175,000 plus, by the way, you get per diem, you get mileage, it's... Staff salaries.
You're doing fine.
You're doing very well.
tim pool
I have to imagine she makes money elsewhere.
She's not.
I doubt she's just sitting on a congressional stand.
jack posobiec
Well, and we already know, though, that she did have that position with the Justice Dems
and there was that whole sort of like, and this was actually when they got investigated,
it's why they were sort of disbanded a lot of it, because they were trying to run a political
committee and a for-profit firm, but as both as the Justice Dems were feeding each other.
tim pool
It was almost laundering cash, right?
jack posobiec
I would never accuse AOC of laundering cash.
unidentified
That's terrible.
tim pool
I say almost because I can't make that official assessment because I don't know, but basically one company hires her boyfriend and then all of a sudden he moves in with AOC in New York.
How convenient.
Yeah, things like that.
But this is the perfect example of... It's not limousine liberal.
They're calling her a Learjet liberal.
She's not a liberal.
She's a... Socialist?
Socialist?
What would we call that?
What's an expensive thing that starts with the letter S?
We can make a... Champagne socialist?
Yeah, that's a shot.
jack posobiec
You get the alliteration, a little bit of alliteration.
tim pool
Close, close.
Chablis?
jack posobiec
Chablis socialist?
tim pool
But it's still a shot.
jack posobiec
I don't drink, but total...
A total shout out to Rachel Bovard because she gave a Somalia presentation.
Oh, Somalia socialist maybe.
There you go!
And I was enthralled.
She just knew everything about it.
She's apparently been studying it for seven years and I don't drink at all.
Totally not my thing, but I was just really interested in the stories.
tim pool
This is what we consistently get.
I mean, we had limousine liberals for a long time.
The people saying, oh, climate change!
And then they fly in private jets.
Oh, climate change!
They buy beachfront property.
Now you get AOC saying, like, my poor grandmother!
And it's like, lady, you got money.
I'm not gonna pretend AOC's the 1% or anything like that.
jack posobiec
Well, this is Barack Obama's brother in Africa.
Oh, right, right, right.
That whole thing.
tim pool
Yeah.
So this is the, I guess, the consistent message we should expect from these leftists who claim to want to fight for the working class or tax the rich.
It's like, dude, they're rich.
Do they think they're working class?
Like AOC, she's an educated elite.
Now she's in Congress.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
This is actually something I thought about a lot.
So a lot of the book I wrote like a year ago.
So throughout 2020, I'm writing this.
tim pool
The Antifa book.
jack posobiec
Yeah, the Antifa book.
But I get into all this stuff.
I get into socialism, communism, anarchism.
I get into all of it, right?
And I kind of just use Antifa as the touchpoint for all of it.
And, you know, so I went back and I was like sort of speed reading it, you know, just to refresh myself and going through it.
And, you know, just really thinking about this issue of the working class and the people who claim to represent the working class.
If you're someone who claims to represent the working class, you're probably not working class.
It's like never happened.
It is so incredibly rare because people who are in working class, they're working.
They've got their families.
They're busy.
They're living paycheck to paycheck.
Obviously, we want to have a system where people like that Can have a family and can have homeownership and don't have to be in, you know, up to their ears in debt, right?
But and they shouldn't need these massive, expansive political movements claiming, you know, some sort of agency of acting in their benefit because you're just not.
You're typically either you either the new poor or you're someone who's from that sort of upper middle class band.
of, well, I never really had any meaningful rite of passage, so my, you know, finding myself, finding my mise-en-maie, my center, finding my center is going to be helping those who are less fortunate than I. They don't know how to help themselves, but I do.
tim pool
It's interesting how new classes emerge, right?
You had like the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, and then there's that painting, I don't know if you've ever seen it, where it's like the workers and then the police and then, you know, it's like a layer and then the politicians are on top or whatever.
jack posobiec
You're the one where they're like holding it up.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
So you have like AOC who is certainly not the working class She is an educated elite bourgeois She is wealthy by global standards, especially in a six-figure salary nearly 200k plus probably she makes money elsewhere She's probably over 200,000 a year.
She's really close to the 1% really close, but she's not I think 1% is up to like 400 or something a thousand a year to be 1% but she's well off and But the more the... It's interesting that there's not just the working class and the landlords anymore, or the merchant class.
Then it's all of a sudden there's like, there are middle class people who are also landlords because they own a single property and they rent out part of it.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
So what ends up happening is, you get people like AOC who keep looking up.
They see the ultra wealthy and they say, as long as I'm not them, I'm the working class.
Although, I don't think AOC has ever actually produced something.
I think, to be fair, she's now in her second term as a congresswoman.
You don't expect a lot of bills to get passed by someone who's this new to Congress or anything.
What is what is she actually given to society that's helped?
jack posobiec
You know, I'd love to see that.
I really do think that there's there's sort of this struggle with AOC because when she first ran, she actually seemed to be quite more populist than she has when she's been in office.
You could argue the same about Trump, by the way.
But you wonder if there are issues, and I seem to remember there were a couple times where her and Matt Gaetz might have tweets that were both in support of the same thing in some of these instances, and you wish that you could see stuff like that going on where it's like, hey, we completely disagree on maybe this...
aspect of foreign conflict or you know certain climate change provisions or I
think it was climate change actually it was a climate change thing where where
Matt Gaetz was on and you'd love to see something where these these sort of this
new generation of culture warriors is actually finding common ground and you
have to imagine that would trickle down to these device the divisive street
level of some of this stuff or the divisive social media level or the
divisive you know the school boards and the Facebook groups and everything else
where instead of it's oh I've got to defeat you I've got to beat you I've got
a my team has to win And so instead of making a team sport out of it, you say, hey, we're all on the same team.
And that's called, you know, it's kind of cliche, but that's the United States of America.
We all live here.
tim pool
It's not true anymore.
jack posobiec
Can we do that?
I understand you have a difference of opinion.
tim pool
No, I read that article for American Greatness.
I disagree with it.
I think it went a little far, but I mean, Republicans right now are paid to sit on their hands and watch Democrats ravage the system.
So even right now we have the conversation about conservatives using the language of the left.
Look at what they're talking about the January 6th Commission.
Republicans keep going exactly where Democrats want them to go.
It reminds me of when I was younger I was playing a game of chess.
I was like 18 and I was playing chess with this guy and he was laughing and he said, you can only move where I let you move.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And he was right, he was better than me at chess, and he knew if I go here, he'll go here because that's his best, you know, and then he walked me into a checkmate.
And then I, you know, had to learn and get better at the game.
So you look at what's happening right now.
The left comes out and says January 6th insurrection.
Meanwhile, we had a year plus, two, three, four years of Antifa extremism.
I remember watching in Berkeley, an old lady was standing in a park in the, was it MLK Park?
And Samantha threw an M-80 at her and then she falls backwards.
Someone was probably like 60, 70 years old.
Probably could have gotten really hurt.
And I was like, what is wrong with these people?
No commission.
No investigation.
Not even a commission on COVID.
But the Dems come out and say, January 6th commission.
And you know what the Republicans do?
No, it's political!
You know what the Republicans should do?
BLM Commission.
Antifa Commission.
And then when they say January 6th, Republicans just do not respond at all, in any meaningful capacity at all, like you didn't even hear them say it.
Watch Jack.
Say January 6th Commission, right now.
jack posobiec
Tim, January 6th.
tim pool
We should be investigating Antifa right now.
I want to get a bill on the table to investigate Antifa.
What do you say, Ian?
ian crossland
You're here.
tim pool
All right.
Although the Democrats wouldn't agree.
Stop walking into their room.
It's like I'm watching a fight in their office.
jack posobiec
It's offense and defense, right?
It's one side is projecting, the other side is deflecting.
So the Republicans, and you've seen this again and again with the Republican Party.
This is my party, right, where they will count it as a win if they were able to stop the Democrats from doing X, right?
Whatever it is.
And you see this interplay again and again with the Republican
party. Well, it's a win because we stopped this win because we
stopped that.
Oh, we, you know, we couldn't get this to stop.
We couldn't get this one through.
So that was right.
No, that's not a win, right?
That's that's that's stalemate.
That's neutral.
If you're talking World War One, it's a slow defeat.
They are going to win eventually if you allow them to continue to
take over every single institution of society, every single cultural outlet of society like has been happening.
They are running the table with this because they knew that their policies, if they came out and just told you, you know, early on, say back in the 1990s, hey, this is what we want.
This is what we're going to do with America.
It never would have flown in terms of public opinion.
tim pool
There's this famous quote from a great philosopher.
And he said, never fight an alligator underwater.
ian crossland
He was right.
tim pool
Yeah, Ian said that.
jack posobiec
Ian, that's pretty good.
tim pool
I love it.
Yeah, it just came out of nowhere and we're like, wow, that's a good one.
That's actually a good one.
jack posobiec
Yeah, don't do that.
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Right, that's what Republicans do.
They're going into the territory of the Democrats thinking they're going to win.
It's like, bro, you're on their home turf.
You got to stand up for something and talk about what the American people want, what your constituents want.
But apparently, I guess it wasn't wrong when the Democrats in the media were saying Republicans just want to own the libs.
So what do they do?
They say, hey Lib, make an argument.
Wrong!
Your argument about the January 6th Commission is wrong.
And then the whole conversation, the whole time, all that anyone hears is Storming the Capitol, riot, insurrection.
Then you go and ask a leftist about Antifa and they go, what's Antifa?
Because Republicans don't talk about it.
jack posobiec
Trump did.
Right, and so this is why when Joe Biden comes out and says, Antifa, that's just an idea, right?
He's setting the frame.
He's already setting the frame of now you have to say, Antifa is not an idea.
Antifa is this, this, and this.
And are they an idea or are they not an idea?
They don't have an organization.
They don't have a leader.
They don't have a headquarters.
You see this on the internet all the time.
Every time I talk about Antifa, they say, where's their headquarters, Jack?
unidentified
Where's their Oh, Tifa, you know, where's the headquarters?
Who's the leader?
Where's the organization?
Do they have ranks?
Do they have any of the uniforms?
jack posobiec
Actually, they do have uniforms.
Well, they have uniforms, they have logos, they have flags, they may not have stated ranks, but they do have a hierarchy in terms of their, you know, red, green, yellow in terms of the black blocks.
So yeah, they do actually have all of these things.
tim pool
It's quite simple, you know.
When a pit bull bites, pit bull doesn't let go.
It has now been, what are we going on, five months?
And the Democrats will not stop talking about January 6th.
And the Republicans, how often have they brought up Minneapolis?
jack posobiec
Never.
And one thing we should actually throw out, you know, today is actually the anniversary of David Dorn.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
And I did not see and I, you know, maybe I just didn't see it, but I don't remember any of Republican leadership or anyone who's been on the sort of, you know, quote unquote, back the blue side.
Tell you anything about that.
You know, I ran the fundraiser for his family when that took place.
You know, we did all we did everything for that.
And this was not something where you had anybody.
Today's the one year anniversary.
But when it was the one year anniversary of George Floyd, that's the only thing the Democrats.
tim pool
They flew they flew the Black Lives Matter flags at embassies, at embassies, at celebrations.
jack posobiec
That was the story we had out on Human Events.
tim pool
And the story of David Dorn is that he was a retired police captain who heard an alarm go off at his friend's store and went to go check it out and someone put a bullet in his chest.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
He wanted to steal a TV.
And the film, it's brutal, the live stream, it live streamed.
jack posobiec
So he, yeah, he, he, he ends up dying on Facebook Live.
tim pool
And a guy was yelling all that for a TV, man.
Meanwhile, you get the complicated story of George Floyd, which is complicated in the best case.
It's hard to break through.
David Dorn was a good guy.
A model citizen, someone we can look up to.
jack posobiec
And when that, you know, and I did get the opportunity to speak with his wife early on and made sure that, you know, we had her blessing, obviously, before we did the fundraiser.
So it's worked her at length before she came out and spoke at some of the conventions and did some of the advocacy work that she's done.
It's been fantastic.
But, you know, she told us these stories that You know, he would go out and he would drive by the shop every once in a while.
One of the reasons that he cared about the shop so much, that's actually the place that it had been on his beat when he was when he was a patrol officer.
And so he had responded to things there in the past, it had been something that he just sort of came up with in St.
Louis.
And that's actually the shop, they run a jewelry shop there as well.
That's where he got the engagement ring for his wife.
tim pool
You know what, it's not just the Republican politicians.
Look at what the left does for George Floyd.
Look at what the corporations do for George Floyd.
The Republicans should be passing a bill saying today should be David Dorn day, they should be putting up David Dorn flags, they should be doing everything and more the left has done for George Floyd, but for David Dorn.
ian crossland
The problem is the anvil's not hot for them.
So if they try to mimic, it's kind of like the Democrats or whoever are shooting downhill.
If they try that same tactic, the physics aren't going to work.
tim pool
It's not about mimicking them.
It's about making your own space, creating your own culture, making, making and saying, you know what, Democrats, if you don't want to be involved in the conversation, we don't care because we respect David Dorn and we're sad for his loss.
ian crossland
The problem is it's the media that's heating up the whole Chauvin, you know, So ignore them.
tim pool
Conservative media keeps responding to the left's narrative.
The media comes out and says, here's our story, and the conservatives then respond to it instead of doing their own work.
ian crossland
But in order for the Republican politicians to get that done, they would need media presence that would be like, David Dorn, David Dorn, David Dorn, remember David Dorn?
That people would be down.
jack posobiec
That being said, though, you know, the question, I think what you're really talking about is critical mass, right?
And I think that at this point, there is enough of a critical mass of independent media, which thrives through social media, like this podcast right here, where you do now have this separate space, which you can inject these cultural stories, these icons.
David Dorn is a cultural icon.
We got a picture of him in the corner.
I actually saw that.
tim pool
Someone drew it for us and we hung it up.
jack posobiec
And everyone who spoke about him, a pillar of his community, got people off the street, in some cases got them into the police force, served the community.
That's all he wanted to do.
That was his whole life, right?
Didn't even wake his wife up when he went out that night because he knew what was going on in St.
Louis and he knew she probably would have said, don't go.
And he knew he was going to go anyway, right?
That's the type of hero that I want to teach my boys about, that I want to teach my kids about.
You look at David Dorn.
This is a guy who's a hero.
Not LeBron James, not some of these other celebrities who are out there shooting their mouth off about stuff that they've never even looked into.
Someone who serves a community, who serves others, and in this case, made the ultimate sacrifice.
That's a hero.
tim pool
Think about David Dorn's behavior.
The left is angry about police they say are brutal, or too scared.
David Dorn was a police officer, he retired.
And when he went to that pawn shop, did he show up shaking and quivering with a gun, shooting wildly at civilians or whatever, like the left would claim the cops do?
No, no.
So he certainly seemed like he was a good cop.
Because when he went to this pawn shop, he didn't go in guns ablaze, and he wasn't freaking out, and he lost his life because someone thought the TV was more valuable.
So there's every reason this man should be celebrated by the left, but they don't care.
And I think conservatives... By the way, working class.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think too many conservatives make the mistake of assuming that the left operates on the same moral foundation and moral framework as they do, and that a sound argument will resonate with these people.
No, either they don't care, they relish in the destruction, or they just want power.
So when someone like David Dorn loses their life, oh, they're not going to say two words about it.
When Republicans do, what does the media say?
They're just trying to own the libs by doing the same thing.
And it's not the same thing.
We're talking about a system and blah, blah, blah.
jack posobiec
Right.
But so when you're talking about and this isn't necessarily a moral question in this case, but you were talking about the framework of these things and critical mass to take it back to the original story that we spoke about at the top of this, the lab leak theory.
Right.
This was something where we were told very early on, you can't talk about this.
This is debunked.
This is not real.
This is not a thing.
And yet there was a cadre of independent media that never let go of this.
They were a pit bull when it came to that story.
They didn't let go of it.
And it finally broke through because enough people sat down.
And a lot of it has to do with, you know, there's all these sort of like, you know, think pieces now.
Well, you know, it really is interesting that it came around at this point.
It's almost like something happened in going from 2020 into 2021 that we can now talk about it.
Right.
It is clear like Trump isn't around anymore.
And this was This was the pro-Trump kind of stance at the time that he took, and you just didn't want to say Trump was right.
That's the reason people are talking about it now.
But it's also because so many people for the past year and a half would not let this go.
They knew the facts were on their side, and they were a thorn in the side of this narrative all the way through to the point where, of course, it broke through.
And that's why you're seeing now, even in public opinion polls, you're seeing it spiking high 40s.
Almost 50% are saying, look, I think this came out of that lap.
Yeah, it was a Medium article that started reigniting the... This is Nicholas Wade, the former New York Times science reporter.
tim pool
Couldn't even get it in the mainstream press.
Had to write it on Medium.
And then finally it breaks through.
But it is absolutely... I do think the work of BuzzFeed contributed.
I think they knew the FOIAs were coming.
You know, Fauci did and the government did.
Many of the journalists were like, these emails are gonna get released sooner or later, and I wonder if they were like, we'll release them, and what does BuzzFeed do?
Totally positive narrative.
Fauci was just fighting to keep, you know, give us a sound, you know, keep control of the situation, and then you read the emails, and you're like, ah, this is crazy.
But the media's framing of it, CNN, WAPO, and BuzzFeed, here's the emails leaked, and Fauci's a great and good man.
jack posobiec
So here's here's the real question, and this gets back to the other American Greatness article you were talking about.
If we have so the divisions in America, yes, there's there's there's an urban rural rural division.
I can't talk anymore for some reason.
I'm out here talking in different ways.
But so we now have a division that can be neighbor to neighbor, right?
That it doesn't necessarily matter where you are.
It matters who you're listening to, what you're listening to.
tim pool
Bro down the street, there's two houses.
One that's all rainbows and one that's all Trump.
jack posobiec
Oh, nice.
Next door to each other.
tim pool
Next door to each other, yeah.
jack posobiec
And that's, you know, and that gets, that reminds me of these, these stories that you hear about when, from the Civil War and they talk about, you know, brother versus brother, father versus son.
And you think like, Well, I would never turn against my brother.
He's my brother.
I would never turn against my father.
We may disagree, but I would turn against him.
And then you sort of look at some of these divisions now and you say, and the look at the way that families have split up over this stuff.
I'll just say it, right?
I had people that did in my family that didn't want to come to my wedding because they were convinced, they were convinced that the woman I was marrying was a Russian spy.
Because she was born in the Soviet Union.
Not even Russia.
Russophobia!
One of the former satellite countries, they would call them now.
But they were convinced, because they're MSNBC watchers, and they were convinced that that's what was going on.
Here's this Trump guy, and this immigrant girl from the wrong part of the world, and well, she must be one of them.
And I don't say that to own them or anything.
It's sad.
I just think the whole situation is sad.
I'd rather have politics be put aside and I'd just like to have my family back, right?
We can talk about Star Wars or something or whatever the latest Superman movie is.
Batman vs. Robin, which is quite good, actually.
tim pool
Well, we should take Super Chats, if you haven't already.
Give a little tap to that like button, it really helps out.
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And then you can, you know, watch CNN and have a good time.
But if you think Yeah, what do you think about that?
then we'll need your help.
But let's read some super chats.
And if you want to get your super chats in, now's the time we're gonna start reading them.
We got DC Pagan says, Rand Paul 2024,
Libertarians must take over the Republican Party.
Yeah, what do you think about that?
You like Rand?
jack posobiec
I like Rand, but I don't think the Libertarians are gonna take over.
tim pool
I don't think so.
It's not going to happen.
No, Dave Smith's cool.
People are like... I like Dave Smith.
Is he actually running?
lydia smith
I don't think so.
jack posobiec
No, I think it's... Well, he's Babylon V, so I think that's like a... Dave Smith?
Oh, no, no, no.
I think it's the other Dave.
No, I think basically that the constituency for the Libertarian Party isn't quite what they think it is in terms of the voting blocs.
tim pool
Well, you've seen the meme about the fox.
It's like the very beautiful fox has libertarian ideas, and then the scraggly libertarian politicians, so, you know.
lydia smith
Gary Johnson.
tim pool
You know, I think, you know, whenever we mock politicians on this show, and we're like, you know, one joke I made was like, a new project for Elon, a new form of government is called Marsism.
It's where you take all of the people as soon as they get elected and put them on the spaceship and then send them to Mars.
And that's it.
That's literally how the government works.
jack posobiec
I'm fine with that.
tim pool
And then they're just gone.
jack posobiec
I'm totally fine with that.
tim pool
Never hear from them again.
But we're like, oh, Rand Paul can stay.
jack posobiec
No, no, Rand Paul stays.
tim pool
He can stay.
jack posobiec
No, I got it.
And you know, I know I'm hard on my Libertarians, but I will throw this out there that Libertarians, you're so good on foreign policy.
You guys are just so good on that.
tim pool
I love it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There's a lot of Republicans who aren't and a lot of neocons who decided it's better to be a Democrat Because you were going to lose your war by voting for an anti-war Republican.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
Isn't it funny that you had a bunch of these neoconservatives who were like, all of these policies, literally everything, pro-life, not worth it for me.
I just want to blow people up in the Middle East, so I'll be a Democrat instead.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Sounds like they didn't have a whole lot of principles to begin with.
All right, Cristiano says, hey bruv, not one to defend Biden, but checked footage, and it seems like the Unknown Soldier ceremony is a change in procedure.
Last year, during both Memorial and Veterans Day, Trump did the same thing.
All right, well, there you go.
ian crossland
What was that story?
tim pool
Where Biden didn't lay the wreath.
They changed it, I guess.
People are saying it was changed for COVID, but I'm like, why would they keep doing it if they're not wearing masks in the procedure?
But you know, we'll talk about a lot of stuff in the bonus segment, so make sure you sign up for TimCast.com.
Bonus segment comes up around 11 or so.
make 1984 fiction again says this episode uh this episode this is my ten dollar bribe to be the first on the list for a timcast bumper stickers also how do i get a don't fight with an alligator underwater mug go to timcast.com click store and the mug is there and you can get it and it's it's the meme of uh it's the drake meme but it's ian instead and he's like alligators underwater and then alligators on land nice yeah So you would fight them on land?
ian crossland
I didn't say that.
I just said don't fight them underwater.
jack posobiec
Because even that is still not probably a great idea.
Not ideal.
ian crossland
Maybe punch them in the nose or something.
tim pool
OMG Puppy says, Jack, who do you think is behind the demoralization and destabilization of Western societies?
Active measures by foreign enemies?
Soros-Davos technocrats?
Domestic leftists?
media outrage for profit?
jack posobiec
What do you think?
And so the question is, if you're someone who wants power, you know, and power becomes a zero-sum game, if you're in that sort of real politic environment, then you've got to take it from someone.
And if that's Western civilization, then that's your target.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Kay Marie says, Timcast is the new punk rock.
What happened to feel the rage of a new generation?
Eric A. says, Jack, this is the most important question of the night.
How can I get your comic book?
jack posobiec
We still have the comic book up.
It is at iconiccomics.com.
I'm also actually gonna be doing my first Comic Con coming up this summer.
So we're actually going down to Texas for that.
I think it's Temple, Texas.
We're doing it in August.
So super excited.
My comic is up there at Iconic Comics.
We have some, I believe we have some autographed copies available there.
Go get the Agent Poso.
It's kind of based on my life, but like a very You know, stylized version of it with my wife and my son and some of my cast of characters.
Cassandra's in it, right?
tim pool
And you have this weird silencer suppressor on your gun that makes no sense.
jack posobiec
Oh man, all the gun guys hit me.
I didn't draw it.
unidentified
I didn't draw it.
tim pool
It's a weird thing.
It's cool, whatever.
Did you hear about that punk band that's charging $1,000 to see their show?
I did, yeah.
Unless you're vaccinated, then it's $18.
So there's a funny story.
jack posobiec
The least punk thing I've ever heard in my life.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like super pro Big Pharma, super pro establishment, and super pro rich people.
If you're rich, you get to go see their show.
jack posobiec
I still remember, you know, showing my age maybe a little bit, but when Green Day went and performed with like a John Kerry thing in 2004.
And I was like, what?
tim pool
Yeah, don't want to be an American idiot.
ian crossland
You shouldn't be political at all.
Dude, they performed in 94 and I think their tickets were five bucks.
Do you remember that?
jack posobiec
I saw him in 94.
I actually did see Green Day in 94, yeah.
tim pool
It gets better.
jack posobiec
One of the fans of this band... I was super young.
I was super young.
Sure, okay.
94 or 95, one of those.
tim pool
One of the fans of this band, Teenage Bottle Rocket, apparently wasn't able to get the vaccine because she had just had COVID.
And so the doctor told her, it's too soon, you're not gonna be able to get it.
And so she's like, so now I literally don't get to see the show?
That's right.
If you're a poor person who was told by your doctor the vaccine, you can't get it for some medical reason.
And you want to go to the show, you'll be able to, but I can assure you the rich people won't care and won't think twice if they really want to go to that show.
Not that they probably would, but if they chose to, I think people should.
I think, you know, if there are rich people out there, go do it.
jack posobiec
The vanguard of the working class.
The vanguard.
tim pool
All right, this one's serious.
Adam Austin says, Tim, I'm an electrician in Northeast Ohio.
Copper prices aren't being talked about.
Our wire went up almost 300% since January.
Wire that was $67 is now almost $140.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Early last year, Ian was like, dude, you got to buy a bunch of copper.
ian crossland
And I'm talking a bunch, like hundreds, thousands of pounds of it.
Mostly worthless.
Mostly up 300%.
So whatever you put into it, you're going to see.
tim pool
So I bought a bunch of copper.
ian crossland
But it's actually worth, it's valuable.
jack posobiec
Do you buy it by the ream or by the spool?
tim pool
Bars.
ian crossland
I like ingots, personally.
But you can make wiring out of it.
I mean, right.
unidentified
Yeah.
So cheap.
tim pool
shell case. You know, I got it because we have a little forge
for like making things for fun. So I was like, it's probably the
best metal for that. But it's metal and it's cheap. And he was
like, I should buy it. So I just bought some. So cheap got copper
bars. They're like, it's really cool. Actually, there's like it
jack posobiec
was not a precious metal when you bought it. But now it is.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, it kind of There's like dollars.
It's like a US dollar, but it's just copper imprint.
jack posobiec
That's pretty cool.
tim pool
It looks pretty cool.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's like, it's worthless.
jack posobiec
So you're counterfeiting copper money?
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
You buy it from like... Yeah, no, no, no.
jack posobiec
Of course not.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
If it was rare, I think it would be as valuable as gold.
If it was rare as gold.
jack posobiec
He's like, we've got this printing press out back with a special ink and paper.
tim pool
You run the copper through and...
People keep saying Alex Jones was right again.
Didn't Joe Rogan say people owe Alex Jones an apology a while ago?
I mentioned this before, when we had him on the show, he told me that a lot of the meat we eat is cloned.
And I'm like, no, we're not eating cloned beef, Alex.
That's crazy.
jack posobiec
I remember this.
tim pool
Google it.
I Google it.
I'm like, dude, we're eating cloned beef.
jack posobiec
So this is didn't this come out with was it salmon?
Is it salmon?
Is the new one that they're rejecting?
It's it's it's like lab grown.
I want to say it's salmon.
Could be something else.
But and it's and the new one, I remember it's and it won't be labeled.
So you won't know.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
jack posobiec
Yeah, you won't know.
tim pool
How crazy would it be if, like, literally Alex Jones was never wrong and we actually lived in that crazy of a reality of all the interdimensional aliens and cell towers and chimeras or whatever?
Didn't someone try banning human chimera research and the Democrats said, like, nah, we're good, we're gonna do it?
jack posobiec
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, what was that?
jack posobiec
Was that in the Fauci Leaks too?
tim pool
No, no, no, it was like a normal voting session and they were like, so-and-so's amendment to ban human animal chimera research.
unidentified
No.
jack posobiec
This is when they were doing the voice votes a couple weeks ago.
lydia smith
Yeah, it wasn't long ago.
jack posobiec
Yeah, there were a few of those.
And they did actually say in those voice votes there was an amendment, I forget if it was Rand's or not, but to shut down research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Yeah, that one passed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Let's grab some super chats.
David M.N.
says, I teased Jack about overusing the phrase breaking news and he blocked me on Twitter.
I miss his tweets.
jack posobiec
Is that true?
Um, no, that's not true.
I don't want you to overuse that phrase.
tim pool
All right.
Nathan Snyder says there was a recent study.
jack posobiec
Give me, give me his account.
I'll, I'll take care of it.
tim pool
Says David MN.
jack posobiec
I don't know.
Yeah, just remember that one.
We'll take care of it afterwards.
tim pool
Nathan Snyder says, there was a recent study that showed the effectiveness of masks at protecting the wearer.
In a low VIRON environment, masks are effective, but in a high VIRON environment, masks offer no protection.
Yeah, there was something that came out that said, indoors, the air circulates so much that after a certain amount of time, it becomes less and less effective.
So that was a huge problem.
That makes sense.
Like we learn new stuff every day.
I think it's fair to say, you know, a lot of people are saying like Fauci
was saying don't wear masks.
And I'm like, there's an email where Fauci says he advises someone not to
wear a mask and I'm like, right.
And then a month later, he literally said the exact same thing on 60 minutes.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
Identical.
jack posobiec
This, this is essentially concurrent.
tim pool
Yeah.
So it's it's it's people think he was secretly changing his opinion.
No, no, no, he was public about being wrong and flip flopping.
jack posobiec
What gets me is the people that I see just out in public outside by themselves wearing a mask.
lydia smith
Yep.
jack posobiec
Protecting the environment.
tim pool
Brooke O says Tim has the best Tim as the best at impressions.
I think you're saying I'm the best at impressions.
And that's true.
I am.
unidentified
But, uh, but Jack's got a good Stewie Griffin, so... Yeah, you know, the Stewie Griffin's alright.
There's a few different ones in there, but, you know, that was the one I just... I don't even know what it was.
jack posobiec
Peter?
Yeah, I don't even know what you're talking about there, Chad.
tim pool
Your Stewie's good.
unidentified
Your Peter needs some... Yeah, Peter's not as... Yeah, Peter's not as good as that, uh, you know, as good as that one.
tim pool
It's kind of weird because Stewie and Peter are both Seth MacFarlane.
jack posobiec
Dude, I actually got to see Family Guy live once and they did it in New York on Broadway.
And so I got to see him doing a table read of this.
The whole cast was there.
But when you see him do it live, you're like, this guy has like split personalities.
Because he's he's holding the conversations with himself in real time.
And it's it's wild.
It's absolutely wild.
tim pool
Someone gave us a whole bunch of banana emojis.
ian crossland
Yes.
lydia smith
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What's up with the bananas?
lydia smith
We're gorillas.
unidentified
Apes.
jack posobiec
No, we're apes.
tim pool
Apes together strong.
jack posobiec
Apes together strong.
No, but this week it's apes.
AMC Apes.
Shout out to the AMC army.
ian crossland
What's it at?
jack posobiec
What's at the diamond hands?
tim pool
It hit 74, I think, or what, 72?
I think it's, let's check it right now.
I think it's, I, so I got, I know there's after hours.
I got lettuce hands.
jack posobiec
You got lettuce hands.
What does that mean?
tim pool
I'm out.
jack posobiec
Banana hands.
ian crossland
Well, you won.
jack posobiec
Banana hands on top.
68 right now.
68 right now.
68.
68.
But it hit, yeah, it looks like it hit about 72 at one point.
Man.
tim pool
And I think, I think it's going to go way up.
But, uh.
jack posobiec
They keep saying it's, they keep saying, you know, not the squeeze, not the squeeze.
tim pool
Tim's not diamond hands.
jack posobiec
Tim's not diamond hands.
ian crossland
Confirmed.
tim pool
I was just like, I don't, I, you know.
jack posobiec
I'm looking at them folks.
They're not diamonds at all.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
I just didn't know.
I didn't want to, like, I didn't buy them before.
Like when, when the memes started.
unidentified
When did you get in?
jack posobiec
When did you get in?
tim pool
Just like a couple of days ago.
jack posobiec
Okay.
tim pool
No, I think literally yesterday.
jack posobiec
But you didn't get in back in January.
A bunch of people.
tim pool
I had like a little bit.
jack posobiec
Okay.
tim pool
You know, uh, like very, very little bit.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
Like 10.
jack posobiec
I get in like two weeks ago and it was like 14.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then just like today, I'm still in folks.
jack posobiec
I'm still in.
ian crossland
We got to do.
tim pool
I didn't feel comfortable constantly talking about it rising and also holding stuff.
Cause I'm like, what do I do?
Hold it till it's zero.
Or I was like, I don't, I don't, I didn't want to have it.
I didn't buy any GameStop either for this reason.
jack posobiec
I hadn't bought.
Yeah.
I hadn't bought GameStop, but this one, this one I've gotten.
So I'm right.
tim pool
I just kind of felt like, nah, I'm going to, I'm not, I'm not going to do this.
jack posobiec
So I sold it because you want to report on it without being on one side. I didn't want it to get to
tim pool
300 with me constantly talking about it and then people be like he's doing it because he's holding it
Yeah, but I still did like when it started jumping up really high. I was like, nah
ian crossland
We got to get a picture of tim all like nah with lettuce hands with the lettuce. Yeah
tim pool
He's just lettuce bean lettuce hands I love lettuce hands because someone was making fun of David Portnoy.
And I like Portnoy, he's cool.
But someone mentioned how he sold his meme stocks and they called them lettuce hands.
It was on Hotep, I think.
And I thought it was funny.
Lettuce.
It's worse than paper.
unidentified
Lettuce hands.
jack posobiec
But it's so visual.
unidentified
I love that.
jack posobiec
I love the visual.
tim pool
You know, you know, you know, I did, though.
I invested in graphene production.
unidentified
OK.
tim pool
Companies that produce graphene.
jack posobiec
And this will help with the counterfeit press.
I mean, no, no, no.
tim pool
You know, just Ian won't stop talking about it.
So I was like, I'll buy some stuff.
unidentified
This is what's going to re-industrialize the United States of America.
ian crossland
Are you familiar with graphene as a material?
jack posobiec
Enlighten me.
ian crossland
It's a single layer of atomic carbon.
So we're just a flat layer hexagonally lattice.
If you look at it, it's like looks like a honeycomb.
jack posobiec
Sure.
ian crossland
And it's a more conductive than copper.
It's stronger than steel.
It's more deformable than paper.
You could make like touchscreen.
It's a superconductor and a capacitor as well.
So it can be like a battery and a wire all at once.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
You could make like touchscreen wallpaper.
You can make clothing out of it that's like touchscreen.
You can eat it.
You can alloy it with so many things.
tim pool
It's not too hard to make.
It's just that we have to build the facilities to make it.
So I look at some of these companies and they've been going up in value.
The ones that produce do get graphene production.
Once we get to the mass production level, it's going to start revolutionizing tons of our electronics and tons of stuff we make.
And then I think these companies will skyrocket in value the more it gets heavily adopted.
So it's like a It's like a snowball rolling down a hill.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
If you build it, they will come.
Once the factories exist and they can make it cheap, cheap enough, everyone's going to want to use it, which is going to make the factories expand and grow and... Scale, scale, scale.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the meme stocks, it's fun, but I'm kind of like, I want to invest something that makes me feel good that's tangible, you know what I mean?
jack posobiec
I can appreciate that.
tim pool
Which is Dogecoin, so I bought a bunch of it.
All right.
Orwell was a prophet, 1984 says.
For service guarantee citizenship, how about a net $1 taxes paid threshold to vote?
If you annually paid $5k in taxes but received $5,001 in government programs, you can't vote.
Just $1 net paid.
Hell, I'd be okay with one cent.
DeSantis Paul, 2024.
It's not a bad idea.
If you're on the receiving end of welfare, then you abstain.
And if you're on the producing end of welfare, then you get a vote.
It's not perfect.
ian crossland
People that are born into poverty and people are born into wealth.
I hate that.
I hate that family wealth is passed down.
tim pool
I mean, think about it this way.
This is clever, though.
Listen.
If the people who are paying taxes... Let's say you're born poor, right?
And so your family receives some kind of benefit.
Then the rich people who are paying taxes say, we're tired of paying all of these poor people.
We're giving money to the government, it's going to them, and they're lazy.
So then guess what happens?
Because you can't vote, they all vote and they strip away your welfare benefits.
Well, guess what?
jack posobiec
Now you can vote.
tim pool
Now you can vote.
ian crossland
I think it's going to make a lot of angry voters.
jack posobiec
I think what we need is a vanguard of the working class.
unidentified
Clearly.
jack posobiec
And the vanguard will drive them will drive them into the promised land.
lydia smith
Yes.
jack posobiec
Yeah, that's right.
Milk and honey.
lydia smith
I can see it.
jack posobiec
Milk and honey.
tim pool
Nolan bus says Will you please have Steve Bannon on?
I think we could we could we could muster that if fun.
Yeah, if we could, you know, Steve Bannon, right?
jack posobiec
I could ask him.
It's hard.
Steve doesn't want to go to anything.
He's like a recluse.
He's like a recluse though.
He doesn't want, he does not leave the, you know, the Bannon townhouse.
He does not like to leave there.
It's very nice.
Every once in a while will, but it's like very, you know, specific reasons.
tim pool
Same thing with Crowder and a bunch of other personalities.
I'm like, why would they leave their own show, which is wildly popular, to come and do my show?
You know, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
People who are consistently running a podcast have less of a reason to leave their podcast for somebody else, you know?
jack posobiec
Yeah, it's... I don't know.
tim pool
Limited circumstances.
jack posobiec
I can run it by myself.
tim pool
Well, you know, we'll see.
Whatever.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm not, I'm not going to cry about it.
Like people were like, get Crowder on.
And you know, I'm just like, Crowder's not going to fly out here.
He's like, he's doing a show.
He's doing a big show.
It's way bigger than this one.
He'd be doing me a favor if he did.
That'd be great.
Hey, shut up.
Hey buddy, shut down your company for a day or so just to come out and help my company grow.
jack posobiec
That's the thing too, is like, people don't realize that, you know, when you get to a certain point that you're, you're just constantly being pulled in different directions.
Like, You know, even even for me, it's like, you know, and time is a finite resource, right?
So, you know, the time you're putting into this means like, like, for me, it's like, hey, this is the night that I didn't get to see my kids very much, right?
I spent the whole day with them, which is great.
But it's like, that's, you know, is it worth it?
It's like, you know, Tim, I haven't done a couple months, let's go come out, do it.
We've got the book, we're doing human events now.
So let's do it.
But at the same time, when you're when you're running operations, something like a band or a crowder, etc.
You know, you're constantly churning, you're constantly churning stuff out.
Or you're like Fauci, who's just so, you know, he's responding to emails.
That's all he does, apparently.
He's a machine.
He's responding to emails.
lydia smith
OG.
tim pool
All right.
Let's see.
LibertyOrDeath says, before COVID and CHAZ, there were frequent rumors of mysterious trucks driven by racist people running around Seattle attacking people.
Then a truck flees into CHAZ and a teenager ends up dead.
Because they whip up these lies to recruit people.
You tell a lie for a few months about crazy cars.
Then once everyone's heard about it, you go, join us to defend against these cars.
You've heard about the cars, right?
jack posobiec
No.
I mean, I heard about the, I know about the shooting incident, but prior to Chaz?
tim pool
Someone makes up the rumor.
I'm saying hypothetically.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
You start a rumor.
You wait a month.
Then you go up to someone and say, you heard about those cars, right?
Those racists?
Yeah.
It's bad, right?
Yeah.
Help us stop them.
You see what I mean?
jack posobiec
We have to stop the cars.
tim pool
You make the rumor and then you recruit off it a month later.
jack posobiec
Yeah, obviously.
tim pool
Alright.
Daniel Welch says, Tim, I have to correct you.
You keep saying beef is bad for the environment.
Please get someone who knows regenerative agriculture to talk about food systems or watch Sacred Cow on Amazon.
Grasslands can store huge amounts of carbon.
That is true.
Yeah, I think the problem is factory farming for the most part.
jack posobiec
So Michael Schellenberger talks about this in in his book, and he'd be something great for you guys to have on if you haven't yet.
And his book is fantastic.
And he's where he writes it from the perspective of an environmentalist.
But something he talks about in terms of the environment is that that if we make better processes for cattle, like we're not going to stop raising cattle.
unidentified
Right?
jack posobiec
This is just something as a civilization we've been doing for, you know, arguably 5,000 plus years, right?
You know, husbandry, agriculture.
That being said, the more efficient we make these processes, the better it is for the environment.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Rad number two says true anarchists want to be able to own machine guns, engage in consensual transactions, and be left the hell alone by the state.
Antifa are just a bunch of posers.
That is true.
ian crossland
But how can you own anything if there is no authority?
tim pool
You can't aggress against another person.
ian crossland
But like, who are you to say that it belongs to you?
That's only because the authority says it's yours.
tim pool
So in a left anarchist vision, everyone agrees to arbitration.
So you have, let's say in their utopian vision of a society, there's no authority.
It's just literally, if there's a river and people are disputing what can go into it, all of the people with a stake in it have to sit down in a big circle and do jazz hands to discuss.
So someone says, I'd like to speak, please.
I believe that the river would be best accommodated, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then someone else would be like, I disagree.
And then everyone votes.
ian crossland
So it's a vote, comes down to a vote.
Yeah.
tim pool
Demarchy, basically.
No, demarchy would be random representation.
unidentified
Democracy.
tim pool
So it's democratic, but it ultimately, in many of the situations where anarchists have tried, it has to be unanimous.
jack posobiec
Well, so this is something similar to what they're actually trying to push in Rojava in that Northeast Syria sort of quadrant where they call it democratic confederalism.
And that's the idea is that it's sort of like these local councils that are set up, but then they have a lot of this like ultimate authority and there is no there's no like higher board or commission that they go to.
tim pool
This is the problem.
Obviously, if you have a large swath of land, there's no way to have a meeting of, you know, a hundred thousand people all doing jazz hands to figure out what they like or they don't like.
When you have ten people, consensus is not hard.
However, with Occupy Wall Street, when it scaled up to even a few hundred people, the whole thing broke.
I'll give you an example.
It was hilarious.
The sanitation working group, the people who cleaned the crap at Occupy, said, we need bins for storing things when it rains.
Otherwise, everything gets soggy and dirty.
So, they said, I propose, as the working group, Sanitation Working Group, that the funds that we have from the donations be used to buy us a set of bins.
Someone then said, I object.
This is wasteful.
We can't use plastics.
It's destroying the planet.
Someone then said, compromise.
What if we do recycled plastics?
So now we're taking them out of the dump and putting them to good use.
Someone else then said, but they're not being produced fairly.
So if we buy the recycled ones, we're still propping up unfair trade practices.
So then they said, okay, here's the compromise.
We need fair trade, recycled plastic bins, bought on a secondary market, not from a major store or a chain or corporation.
And so they went, agreed.
And then the executive, the facilitators went to Walmart and bought bins.
Because you can't do that!
jack posobiec
How are you supposed to find- And where are they gonna find these magical bins that check every little box of- It's impossible.
Right.
tim pool
So what was happening was- At the level that they need- You had a few hundred people- At the time they need- And everyone had a complaint.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
So, if you have ten people, and someone's like, I propose that for dinner we have fried rice.
And someone else says, I'm not in the mood for rice.
It makes me gassy.
I want fried vegetables.
Well then, a consensus is not hard to come by with only 10 people.
Eventually someone says, okay, how about we do noodles instead with fried vegetables?
jack posobiec
This is like, uh, what, you know, what pizza toppings.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
jack posobiec
It's like the classic.
tim pool
And then people are just like, okay, we'll do half pepperoni, half mushroom.
We're good.
Right.
You're not going to get there with 100,000 people.
It's not going to happen.
So your, your, your lefty anarchy is very difficult to scale.
However, right anarchy is, I've got a bunch of valuable things that I'm willing to trade in exchange to make you agree with me and give me what I want.
jack posobiec
Yeah, this is like Galt's Gulch.
tim pool
Yeah.
And so then, you know, Ian's like, I don't want gluten-free pizza.
And I say, Ian, I will give you a bottle of water if you agree with me on this one.
And Ian says, bottle of water works for me.
ian crossland
But the problem is if you come in with all these like gems and baubles and you're like, and then I take a few for myself and say, hey, look, I have some gems and baubles I'm going to sell you.
Those are my gems and baubles.
tim pool
So that means you aggressed against me.
And I'm.
ian crossland
But how can you prove that?
tim pool
I can just under under these like.
jack posobiec
So in right anarchy, they do believe in property rights.
Right.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
So the property rights.
I can.
tim pool
I can.
I can defend my property from you as the aggressor against me.
ian crossland
Who who enforces that?
I do.
In an anarchy.
tim pool
But what if what if.
ian crossland
Doesn't matter.
There's a lot of problems with it, but ultimately it's, don't aggress against other people.
So again, I'm not an anarchist.
tim pool
I think there's, it's a bit too utopian.
ian crossland
man leave arbitration up to the barrel of to the gun it doesn't make a lot of
tim pool
there's a lot of problems with it but ultimately it's don't aggress against
other people so again I'm not an anarchist I think there's it's a bit too
jack posobiec
utopian and I think what it would even saying though is that that's what it
would come down to ready right It would come down to people just saying, you know what?
tim pool
Shootouts.
jack posobiec
Yeah, it's gonna come down to shootouts, and that's what leads to warlords, and that's what's... This is why no country in the world has ever tried this.
tim pool
Yeah, I think one of the biggest problems with NCAPs is the rise of monopolistic powers.
What would happen if we had five competing private police forces?
ian crossland
They'd get bought up one by one by the one bigger one.
tim pool
Well, so I call my private police force on Ian because I claim he stole bread.
jack posobiec
The Citizen app was talking about this.
unidentified
Yes.
jack posobiec
Did you see this?
I saw that.
So the Citizen app was talking about having this.
So you know Citizen app, right?
unidentified
No.
jack posobiec
So certain cities, oh you don't know, okay.
I totally looked this up, yeah.
Yeah, so some cities have this where, I don't recall if DC has it yet or not, but big cities.
And it's it's just it's the idea of taking those like police band radios and creating an app that basically recreates that.
But it's something where, hey, you know, it's almost like in the Waze, you know, traffic app where I saw this crash.
Well, instead of that, it's, hey, I saw a break in.
Hey, I saw some crime.
I saw this, you know, in sort of next door.
It kind of has this similar.
as well.
So citizen is an app where you are allowed to post all of those things as a quote unquote good citizen.
Well, they were going to take that to the next level.
And I believe they've scuttled the plans, but they were talking about doing a private dispatched police force that you could actually call out through the app if you're the victim of a crime instead of calling the police.
tim pool
So here's what happens.
jack posobiec
Ian and I get into a fight.
tim pool
So I call my private police force.
We'll call it McPolice.
And then Ian calls his police, which is like... Police King.
Yeah, Police King.
And then I'm like, he's aggressing on my property.
And then Ian says, it's my property.
And then both our police forces point guns at each other.
ian crossland
And then they're like, well, we're now property of Kentucky Fried Police.
So we're not able to fight each other at all.
jack posobiec
You know, there's an Ancapistan meme.
So Ancapistan, of course, is where the Ancaps live.
And there's a meme of this where... Kentucky Fried Police.
Yeah, where it's, if you join this new bank, we will provide you cover fire as you go to your ATM.
Free of charge.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
All right, Tommy Tampins says, Tim, I think the word you are looking for is silver spoon socialist.
They get the spoon from the government they run.
Brian Cox says, Ian, for President 2024, build back with graphene.
ian crossland
I think we can make it happen.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
That's not bad.
Sure.
But that's- they always try to claim to be, right?
a t-shirts and get them out there.
jack posobiec
That's not bad.
tim pool
Yeah.
Then people would be like, who is David Dorn?
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
Exactly.
Fish and Pop says, AOC is a Starbucks socialist.
I had a carpool buddy that used to call herself a Starbucks hippie.
So not?
Sure.
But that's, they always try to claim to be, right?
Yeah.
All right.
So, you know, people think they can get me.
The first few times they were able to do it.
I'm going to read the super chat anyway.
jack posobiec
Okay.
ian crossland
Before you do, can I shout out Michael Nolan's new book?
tim pool
Yes.
Speechless.
ian crossland
Speechless.
unidentified
Okay.
Yeah.
tim pool
Controlling words, controlling minds.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
I'm sorry, but continue with the super chat.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
So Jason Q2 says, I'm speechless that Jack bought Michael Malice's new book.
Speaking of speechless, you know what else is speechless?
Michael Knoll's book.
unidentified
Speechless.
tim pool
Controlling words, controlling minds available now.
Michael Knoll's turned book promo into a meme.
jack posobiec
Amazing.
Well, that's what I've done with, um, if you follow my Twitter lately, I've been doing the MyPillow promos.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
jack posobiec
So, you know, promo code POSO.
tim pool
I bought the slippers.
jack posobiec
Do you like the slippers?
tim pool
I got half off.
jack posobiec
Are they the best slippers you've ever worn?
tim pool
They're amazing slippers.
jack posobiec
They actually are really good slippers.
tim pool
Yeah, I was seriously impressed.
I thought they'd be alright, but they're like...
jack posobiec
No, that's actually one of the main, you know, comments I get from people is they say they get the stuff and like, I'm not doing the poem right now, whatever, but it's like, they'll say, you know, I bought something because I like, you know, I like these, I feel like he's a patriot, I like his story, I like his Christianity, whichever it is, I like where he's taking the stand for, you know, for the right reasons, I think, and they go, Wow, these are really good products actually.
I really like these pillows.
I like this.
So what I've done with the meme is that I've converted like every, you know, like Mia Khalifa tried to dunk on me yesterday and I converted that into like a Mindpillow promo.
I said, having a rough week?
If you want the best sleep, you convert everything or breaking news, whatever it is.
tim pool
I think you posted about the slippers.
And then I realized I was like, I don't have any slippers for like, if I have to walk out to the mailbox or something, you know, I just, yeah, you don't want to put shoes on if you're only going out for a minute.
jack posobiec
You want my slippers, right?
tim pool
Obviously.
And then I was like, I wonder how much it'll cost.
And I went to the site and I typed in Poso and I was like, it's not bad.
jack posobiec
It's like, you know what?
I want a quality pair of slippers.
lydia smith
I'm going to have to get some.
tim pool
Now you're making bank off of memeing.
That's a secret.
jack posobiec
The meme economy is real.
tim pool
There are three books people need to buy.
jack posobiec
AntifaBook.com.
tim pool
Michael Malice's book as well.
jack posobiec
Speechless.
Oh no, excuse me.
tim pool
Michael Malice's book.
AntifaBook.com, is that out right now?
jack posobiec
That is out right now, burning up the charts.
tim pool
Should be number one on Amazon.
jack posobiec
Oh yeah, let's do it folks.
Number uno.
tim pool
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You'll enjoy this.
So just subscribe to the channel, share it with your friends, and you can follow me personally at TimCast.
We mentioned your book, but shout it out again, Jack.
jack posobiec
And it's Antifa stories from inside the black block, antifabook.com.
You guys can check it out.
If you don't want to go to Amazon, I've got a bunch of places where you can find it, but you can also find it on Amazon as well.
tim pool
And let's, let's get, uh, that book should be number one on Amazon.
You know why?
jack posobiec
Why?
tim pool
Well, first of all, it helps support your work and you can keep doing reporting on things like this, but more importantly than regular people who don't normally hear about this, we'll go on Amazon, look for a book and they'll see number one Antifa book.
And they'll say, I wonder what that is.
jack posobiec
One thing that we actually did do in the book that a lot of people said they like is that I actually put out a timeline of the summer of violence of 2020.
Every.
Single.
Incident.
Date.
tim pool
Time.
jack posobiec
Location.
This happened.
This was the outcome.
So when people say, oh, they weren't that bad.
Boom.
This is what happened there.
Boom.
This is what happened there.
Boom.
And you've got the whole thing, right?
tim pool
But you know that number one spot is it's free advertising.
jack posobiec
Yes, it is.
tim pool
So regular people would just be like, I have not heard this.
And they'll look into it and maybe they'll buy it.
Maybe they'll go, whoa.
And that's just more ways to spread the message and get the word about what's going on.
ian crossland
Were you documenting your time inside the Chaz?
jack posobiec
Oh, there's a whole chapter on it.
There's a whole chapter on Chaz, you know, and it's very, you know, sort of like Cinema Veritas, where the first thing I noticed was the smell as I walked up to Cal Anderson Park.
And I saw spray paint that said, no gods, no masters.
unidentified
And I knew that I had left the United States for something.
jack posobiec
I should read the audio book.
I haven't recorded the audio book.
I'll do one version like normal and I'll do another version like that.
The George Guadal ripoff version.
tim pool
You want to shout out your Twitter or whatever?
jack posobiec
Yeah, Twitter is at Jack Posobiec.
I'm now the senior editor of Human Events, so go to Human Events, check it out for your greatest news analysis and dissident op-eds before they ban us, so check that out there as well as Instagram.
Don't have the Rumble up yet, but maybe at some point we will.
ian crossland
Nice, dude.
unidentified
All right.
ian crossland
Well, you guys can follow me at iancrossland.net and at iancrossland on social media.
You can also check out some of my music on Amazon Music and Spotify, iTunes.
Happy to have you guys.
lydia smith
Always happy to see people like Jack succeeding.
Always happy to get his input on the show.
You guys can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids.
I have a quest to have more followers than Sour Patch Kids, and I'm getting closer.
I'm closing in on them.
So please go follow me there.
unidentified
It's fun.
tim pool
What is the secret war conspiracy theory?
Probably a bunch of nonsense and I'd be, probably is probably the wrong word.
It's probably, it literally is bunk nonsense from a lot of people who believe really crazy things.
jack posobiec
This one is definitely.
It's just not even.
tim pool
It's totally off the wall.
And it's, it's because these people, you know, you saw Maggie Haberman.
She was like, Trump's claiming he'll be reinstated.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
It's resulted in this really crazy parallel universe of people who just make things up, but we're going to talk about it.
We're going to, obviously we're not saying it's real.
jack posobiec
It's like augmented fanfare.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like Trump fan fiction.
That'll be up at TimCast.com.
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