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Timcast IRL - FBI RAIDED Giuliani, So Begins Democrat Retaliation w/Jack Murphy
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the FBI has raided the apartment and office of Rudy Giuliani They have seized electronic devices, and this may be one of the most consequential stories of our generation.
This is the former president, the previous administration's lawyer.
The lawyer.
I mean, it's one thing for the Feds to go after a lawyer.
It's another thing to go after the lawyer of the guy who was just president.
And that's what's happening.
It has to do with whether or not, or I should say, it has to do with an investigation into whether or not Rudy Giuliani was lobbying the government on behalf of Ukrainians.
Though I think most people are just going to look at this like retaliation from the Democrats.
They have hated Donald Trump, they've hated his administration, and now they're using the DOJ, Merrick Garland, greenlighting these warrants to go after those They don't like.
And, you know, normally, I wouldn't say this normally, that, you know, my earlier segment on my main channel, I didn't say it was retaliation, but now I will say it is.
Because you look at what Joe Biden has to say tonight.
He's reportedly going to say that January 6th was the worst attack on the U.S.
since the Civil War, on U.S.
democracy since the Civil War.
So it's very clear.
They're going to use the full weight of government to go after every person who, in some substantive way, was supporting the president.
To certain degrees.
We've already seen the weird cult of voteness say, don't hire these people.
It could start there.
Or it could be, you help Donald Trump fight impeachment, something like that.
Don't be surprised when the feds show up at your door, so.
We're gonna talk about this.
We also got protests lighting up in Elizabeth City.
Again, more unrest.
The judge has refused to release body camera footage in the shooting of a black man.
These stories are not going to stop, and the left is going to say, you're right, the cops keep killing people, or they're just going to keep exploiting death and ignoring the actual crime and tragedies in their own communities because it's all politico.
So, we're going to talk about this.
Joining us today, of course, it's Jack Murphy Day.
jack murphy
Hey, what's up, Tim lids?
tim pool
Hello, Ian.
jack murphy
Good to see you.
Hey, everybody.
Every other Wednesday, Jack Murphy, I'm back.
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We're coming up on 50 K 50 K. It feels real.
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What about you, Ian?
ian crossland
Well, I'm Ian Crossland, and you can follow me at iancrossland.net.
jack murphy
Yeah, iancrossland.net!
ian crossland
Yes.
Thank you very much.
lydia smith
And I'm Sarah Patchlitz on Twitter.
Sorry I didn't mean to cut you off there, Ian.
ian crossland
No, you didn't.
You interfused.
lydia smith
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
jack murphy
It's a mind meld.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's true.
jack murphy
That's what it is.
A four-way mind meld.
Let's get melding.
tim pool
Four?
I'm sitting here not saying anything.
ian crossland
He's like, what's going on?
jack murphy
Come on, Tim.
tim pool
I was sitting here looking at my Japanese soda, just like, I wonder what flavor this is.
It's called Original Flavor.
jack murphy
It's sugar.
tim pool
It's Original Flavor.
jack murphy
Someone said four-way, and Tim's like, what's in the soda?
Well, I walked in the house today and he goes, dude, dude, we got a bunch of crazy soda flavors.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
We got huckleberry soda.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
And cherry soda, cherry soda.
It was funny.
You're like, I'm going to put this in the freezer.
And I heard you set the timer on Alexa.
20 minutes later, boop, boop, boop, boop.
And you're like, you go, man, I hope it's cold.
unidentified
Was it cold?
ian crossland
No, it was warm.
Sorry, dude.
All right.
unidentified
All right, everybody.
tim pool
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tim pool
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ian crossland
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tim pool
War and chaos and conflict and we're like, but we should, we should have that conversation later.
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It is gonna be a blast, but let's jump into that first major story.
Here it is.
From Eyewitness ABC7, the latest update.
FBI seizes electronics from Rudy Giuliani's Manhattan apartment.
They say federal agents carried out a search warrant at the home and office of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani Wednesday morning.
Sources familiar with the matter confirmed to ABC News.
Sources tell ABC News electronic devices, including Giuliani's cell phone, were confiscated by authorities.
Spokesperson and attorney for Giuliani have not responded to ABC News.
Wednesday afternoon, Giuliani's son, Andrew, who was mulling a run for New York governor, spoke briefly outside his father's apartment.
Quote, This is disgusting.
This is absolutely absurd.
And it's the continued politicization of the Justice Department that we have seen and it has to stop.
If this can happen to the former president's lawyer, this can happen to any American.
They say the warrants were in relation to the Justice Department's investigation into the business dealings of former President Donald Trump's personal lawyer.
Notably, according to the New York Times, it was a FARA violation.
So was he acting as a foreign agent lobbying on behalf of Ukrainians to Donald Trump?
Or was this retaliation?
Not only are they going after Rudy Giuliani, but according to the Wall Street Journal, they are trying to find communications between Giuliani and journalist John Solomon.
You may recall the previous controversy when I think it was Adam Schiff, right, who was spying on an American journalist because he didn't like the information that was being published.
And I guess he actually published private information from Solomon.
It's been a while since we've covered that story.
But my friends, what do you say?
I don't know, Banana Republic?
Are we there?
Has it happened already?
jack murphy
There was a time in my lifetime where if the FBI and the DOJ served a warrant and they confiscated a bunch of documents and equipment and stuff, my first instinct would have been, they probably have a good reason to do that.
Today, my instinct is they just trying to get everybody that had anything to do with Donald J. Trump, period.
Because we see it across the board.
We see it with the January 6th folks.
We see it with people in the military, people in police.
You're not allowed to even have donated to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal defense fund.
Anything that you do that runs contrary to what they want you to do is going to put you at risk.
Heaven forbid you work with the president.
You help the president.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
They want to get in there.
They want to see his communications.
They want to see his documents.
I mean, look.
Go ahead.
tim pool
No, they've gone after people's jobs.
We've already seen from the establishment, don't let anyone get a job if they worked with Trump's administration.
So that's like the lowest level of it.
You're a Trump supporter.
Get out.
Don't wear the MAGA hat.
You believe you're crazy.
You're a white supremacist.
Now that it elevates to anybody who's ever worked in the Trump administration, you'll never be allowed to work again, or at least in their system.
Which is why it's so important that we build our own networks, but then you see what happens with Big Tech and the media.
So I'm a little pessimistic now.
I mean, we had some good stuff.
You know, like the Falcon and Winter Soldier.
I was all excited.
I was like, the ending of that show is great!
You know, this guy takes the American flag and beats Antifa with it.
But that's just a TV show.
That's not justice.
We watch what happens with the Chauvin trial.
They're walking these jurors through riots with security.
Would Andrew say they had MP5s or something?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
Whatever guns they were using.
They were using very serious weapons to protect the jurors.
One of the jurors actually lived in the city where riots were happening.
There was no justice.
And we're watching this across the country.
Now it's happening again.
Then you get a story where it's the previous president's lawyer is being raided by the DOJ.
As soon as Merrick Garland gets in, appointed by Joe Biden, there it is.
Green light.
Go after those who opposed us.
jack murphy
You think Merrick Garland's got a bone to pick?
lydia smith
I would say so.
tim pool
With Giuliani?
jack murphy
Just in general, right?
With the Republicans in general, right?
tim pool
I think we are watching the, the, the cult takeover and it's been happening for some time.
jack murphy
It's everywhere.
It's in everything.
It's in every nook and cranny of every agency, every bureaucracy, every, every bureaucracy cop chapter, every, every institution, every, everything.
And it's like, at some point you, we just have to accept it.
I still, even in this work that I do and the conversations that I have and the research and the people I talk to, I still am a little shocked each time.
I still am a little saddened each time.
I still feel like a bit of my optimism and my, my idealization of America is still there.
And so each time this, it just chipped.
So like, when, when am I going to become totally blackmailed?
This is the question.
And it hasn't happened yet where like the next thing that happens and I'm like, Oh yeah.
Totally unsurprised.
tim pool
There's two big issues.
The first is that.
The, you know, the cult, the establishment cronies have attained such a level of power that they can literally do this.
When Donald Trump, you know, chants lock her up at these rallies, they're screaming like, oh heavens!
We cannot be a country that threatens to send the legal system against our political rivals!
What's that?
Trump's out of office?
It's not in the legal system after our political rivals.
Indeed.
But the other thing is the unwillingness of Americans to stand up for the principles of this country.
So before the show, we were talking about local police departments, and I'll tell you, I guarantee you, you will have a bunch of cops right now who are going like, man, I get it.
You know, these guys are saying how bad it's getting and I totally recognize the corruption in office.
We got to do something about it.
Then his boss walks in and he says, yo, Johnson, go arrest Jack Murphy for sedition.
And he goes, you got it, boss.
Hey, Jack, you're going to prison for the rest of your life.
And you're like, what?
I'm doing what I'm told because I don't care.
So long as regular people just go along with whatever the insane garbage is, it's not, it's not going to change.
jack murphy
Well, the problem with the police department is you've got people that go in who are true believers who might now become cynical and not want to participate.
Then you got people that are doing it because it pays better than their next best alternatives.
tim pool
And it barely pays.
jack murphy
And it barely pays.
So now you added this extra pressure to it.
You're not going to get the idealists.
You're not going to get the people with better options.
You're going to get people with even worse options saying, this is my best choice to enter in this position that basically everybody hates.
No one wants around.
And you have to go do terrible, dirty work on people.
You're going to get goons.
tim pool
It's like Venezuela.
The Venezuelan soldiers are like, eh, I get food if I do what Maduro wants.
jack murphy
And if I don't, I don't get any food.
Literally don't get any food if I don't.
tim pool
See, this is the thing that the establishment, cult-like, woke left and corporate neoliberal people understand way better than conservatives.
It's that there is no loyalty among the average person to any of their fellow countrymen.
They know that, which means you can literally have FBI agents who are like, man, this is freaking me out.
And they go, Now go arrest him.
Okay, boss.
Whatever.
Gleefully being like, I swear an oath to the constitution.
Is that a gun?
To prison with you.
jack murphy
That was, that troubles me, dude.
It troubles me that you say, and I agree with, and then I ask why, why does your, why do your citizens feel no loyalty to their fellow citizens?
If that's not the case, then the citizenry is too broad.
tim pool
I think, man, we're a gluttonous, lazy people that has for too long, maybe this past couple of generations have had no real struggle.
You know, just sitting around enjoying the fruits of the previous wars and the labor of the previous generations.
Now we've got, you know, fat homeless people.
That's like how prosperous this country is.
So now they become lazy and just like, I don't want to sacrifice my comfort for you.
So you will get right now like.
Cops who swear an oath of the Constitution and then violate the
Constitution every single day and say, whatever.
jack murphy
Well, in their mind, their oath is to the Constitution, but their oath is to the
guy who's giving them orders, right?
In their mind, it's like the Constitution orders.
Okay.
I do what they say.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
I'm not a lawyer.
I don't, I mean, I'm just projecting.
I mean, I don't really know.
ian crossland
We had Andrew on last night.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
And he was talking about that.
The chief police is a politician.
Once you get to that level of the law enforcement, you become a politician and they basically are political.
We want to think of it as a civil civil movement.
But the police are basically answering to the politicians and the politicians go in a political direction.
The police.
tim pool
But but it's it's the individual officer who can say no.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Right, so I don't want to derail too much.
We're talking about, you know, Giuliani and the point at which the federal government now is arresting its rivals.
So let's go back in time.
Let's go back in time to what?
2017, I think it was?
When we started seeing... When was the Berkeley, the battle for Berkeley?
Was that 2017?
jack murphy
It was after the election.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Milo was there.
tim pool
Yeah.
So at this point, you're seeing these clashes and the Proud Boys show up.
jack murphy
That was Bike Lock Day, wasn't it?
tim pool
I think that was 2017.
But then it happened again for the next year or so.
And over the next year, I started talking about... I remember I was talking to a bunch of D.C.
commentators and conservative journalists, and I was like, this is scary because the escalation of this is civil war.
And then, you know, immediately I get pushback from these conservative, you know, DC folks who are like, oh, come on!
It's just a bunch of people fighting in the street.
And I said, listen, at what point does this escalate further and further until it reaches the highest level of government?
No, that's never gonna happen.
The security state is strong.
It won't allow collapse, blah, blah, blah.
Pretty sure when the DOJ seizes the cell phone of the previous president's lawyer, you're seeing the breakdown.
Sorry, it's... there you go.
I mean, I know we've had crazier with, like, Nixon and Watergate and stuff.
Or I shouldn't even necessarily say crazier, because maybe it wasn't.
Maybe it was just crazy and maybe now when you combine the years of street conflict, the years of media manipulation, the lies and the foreign collusion, interference, all the crazy whatever with now that Joe Biden is in power, he brings in Merrick Garland.
Merrick Garland goes after the Trump administration.
I don't think we've seen anything this crazy since the Civil War.
jack murphy
And it's just getting started.
So the United States has been abroad as a foreign occupying force fighting counter insurgency battles against the insurgents.
They're trying to expel the government from their occupation.
It's exactly what they're going to do here now.
They are a hammer.
We are the nails.
And this is going to be the war on terror 3.0.
But it's really the war on drugs.
It's really the war on Americans.
This is the war on Americans 1.0.
And they're going to use the entire apparatus that they have developed over two decades now.
Being an occupying force and squashing dissent, they're going to use it here in the United States.
And dude, we predicted this at the end of last year, and now it's happening.
And now tonight is the night Joe Biden's going to go on TV.
He's going to call all the 400 people they've arrested in January 6th as the insurgents responsible for the most egregious attack on our democracy since the Civil War.
They've already shown that they're trying to filter out the armed forces, the police, everyone else.
If you just had any inclination to support Trump or Kyle Rittenhouse or anybody else, they're coming after all of us.
The de-Trumpification is a real thing.
unidentified
Why?
jack murphy
We can't let this happen again.
tim pool
We have this article.
over the Daily Mail. I will turn peril into possibility.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Biden will attack Trump with his speech to Congress by saying he inherited a nation in
crisis after the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War. Wow, I can't believe
he would say such strong words about a year of Antifa rioting and two billion dollars in
damage. You know, just the other day a week or so ago in Oklahoma City, Black Lives Matter
stormed the Capitol building.
Yeah, so it's good for Joe. Oh, wait, hold on. Oh, he wasn't talking. I'm being handed
a note. He's talking about Trump supporters. Oh, he's not.
unidentified
Biden's not. Biden's not talking about stuff. That stuff was OK. Oh, that stuff's OK. Yeah,
jack murphy
no, no. That's that's part of it.
Those are the good guys, dude. The guys all dressed in black. Those are the good guys.
tim pool
Yes. Really? You ever see that? You're a bit. I can't remember who the comedians is by where
they're like dresses Nazis. And then he like looks down and sees the skull and crossbones
Are we the baddies?
Like, you're using a skull and a crossbones.
jack murphy
Okay, so that's the comedy show.
The name just escaped me, but those two guys from England.
Hilarious.
History nerds.
Totally on point.
Super funny.
And they would recreate these World War II things.
And he, that moment, he looks, he goes, are we the baddies?
tim pool
He's got there because they're wearing the skull and crossbones.
Well, so you look at what's going on now with Antifa.
Smashing and destroying.
But what's funny to me is they smash and destroy Starbucks.
And Starbucks is like, we're glad they did this.
jack murphy
And in fact, thank you for destroying our bathrooms.
Anybody who wants to come in and use the bathrooms at any time now, customers, otherwise, it doesn't matter, anybody, you can now use our bathrooms.
Have you been in a Starbucks bathroom since I did that?
tim pool
I mean, no.
jack murphy
It's like a homeless shelter.
tim pool
But you know what, man?
I'm kind of chilling.
Everything is like being lit up around me and people seem to think that there's potentially going to be a federal takeover of police, but I really don't think so.
How many FBI agents are there?
There's no way they can have, well, there's like 800,000 to a million cops around the country.
I really don't think the feds can take that over.
Maybe they can try.
Or maybe what's really going to happen is, once the police departments go under, then there's no local enforcement, laws become irrelevant to the average person, and then the country just doesn't exist in a meaningful way anymore.
jack murphy
What's going to happen is the talent level of the police officers is going to degrade so poorly because no one with any other options is going to take that job that the police may be there, but they will be so ineffective and just able to be pushed around.
It'll just it'll be worthless.
So federal policing will become more powerful.
unidentified
How what?
tim pool
What do you mean?
Oh yeah, no, no.
So maybe just sing like the singling out the FBI is a little short sighted because there's other agencies FPS for
instance ice CBP there's not nearly enough federal law enforcement
handle the entire country Oh, yeah, no, no red states are meat like people in rural
areas and back now. Yeah, so so without local law enforcement
Federal law is gonna be Wait, wait, wait.
jack murphy
Have there been sounds about a federal police force?
tim pool
Well, a lot of people have been chatting us saying, like, if the local cops go, the feds step in.
ian crossland
Or private police hired by the feds.
jack murphy
Oh, well, private police... Oh, I don't know about hired by the feds, but private police has been prophesied for a long time, especially Neal Stephenson's No Crash.
Many, many, many years ago about ghettoed in the technical sense, like isolated neighborhoods with their own police departments and own security departments, etc.
That's definitely coming.
Anybody with money is going to be hiring.
tim pool
So let's talk about the two potentials, right?
That's the scary scenario.
If they abolish the police and then bring about their cult as the local officers.
We're on a track that heads towards a totalitarian cult.
ian crossland
Could you imagine driving through a town and then they stop you and you don't know why they're stopping you or what's going on and they throw you in like a prison never to be heard from again because that's their local Mm-hmm.
And you can only hope the feds come and get you out somehow?
tim pool
You can't hope the feds are going to do anything.
ian crossland
I mean, that's all you have at that point.
tim pool
Look at what Joe Biden is doing.
If anything, you're going to be crossing your fingers that you make your way through a local town.
ian crossland
That's crazy.
tim pool
Because if you go through a red state, there's going to be a guy who's like, excuse me, sir, what are you doing here?
And you're going to be like, just passing through.
And he'll be like, keep mind to yourself and have a good day.
It's the feds who are going to be like, Excuse me, sir.
Pull over.
I couldn't help but notice you're a white man.
Can you give me your pronouns for your citation?
What's that?
Oh, you're under arrest.
Then you go to jail.
ian crossland
I'm nervous about this because also because if the local cops do resign, they'll get they're the ones that would be first in order to get hired by private companies.
jack murphy
If they're resigning, though, if they're resigning, that's because it's it should be a statement of position.
Right.
They don't support this.
tim pool
Look, none of that.
That is all, I think, getting a bit too too far away from the big picture here.
The big picture is A cop right now can watch their city being burnt to the ground and be like, I don't care.
And then when you literally have cops getting arrested and charged, and then they'll look at you and be like, sir, is that a gun?
Let's see.
Let me check the Bill of Rights.
Second Amendment.
Well, we don't need that one.
You're under arrest.
That's amazing to me that they would that that cops will swear off the constitution and then look at it and go, oh, whatever, guess not.
Meanwhile, they can't arrest the extremists.
The charges get dropped.
The left uses the fact the charges are being dropped as evidence they're morally right and the state is wrong.
And they have two billion dollars worth of damage and only a few cities over the past year with all the damage and destruction.
Then you're going to get people like Juan Williams on Fox News saying cities didn't burn down.
That's a lie.
jack murphy
Right.
People truly people don't believe that that happened.
Truly, people in Washington D.C.
believe that the boarded up businesses on January 5th were because that the MAGA rioters had come through the city all summer and destroyed everything.
They truly, like honest to God, truly believe it to the point where I present them with alternative facts.
As in, I was literally there, I saw with my own eyes, like, not hearsay, and they were like, whatever, block me on Facebook.
Like, they just literally cannot accept the fact that that was the case.
tim pool
You need only—what was it?
Who said this?
I don't know if it was, like, Linsky or Marx or something.
You need, like, 11% of the population to adhere—maybe it wasn't those guys.
Maybe it was a different researcher.
You need, like, 11% of the population to adhere to an ideology to take over the entire country.
Because regular people, they will sell their own mothers.
I genuinely believe the cops who remain in Minneapolis and these cities are the kind of people that would sell their mom for a quick buck.
jack murphy
I feel the urge myself to criticize some of the law enforcement today, but I also feel the urge to defend some of them.
There is something to be said for wanting to try to do your best to make change from the inside.
tim pool
You can't make change from the inside when you're under the boot of corrupt politicians.
jack murphy
True, but there are, and I know them personally, there are still good people who are police officers who are trying to uphold the Constitution, who are trying to do the best, but they're being forced into untenable situation.
And it soon, soon, very soon is going to come a point which they have to decide whether or not they're going to make a statement by resigning.
tim pool
It's already happening.
jack murphy
Or maybe they have to go undercover, in a sense, and subvert their own views outwardly in order to be in a position to make change at some point in time.
A sleeper cell, if you will.
tim pool
Throughout the country, we are seeing the good cops saying, no, I won't do this.
And in many cities, many major Democrat urban metros, they're saying, You give me a stick, I'll beat my own mom with it.
I don't care, just give me a paycheck.
I'll do whatever you say for money!
That's what they're doing.
You get that guy on CNN, the DC Capitol cop.
They're all, you know, doing that interview.
These are, look, corrupt people exist.
There's a lot of them.
The good cops, in my opinion, have said no and are refusing to abide by this insanity.
And then you have, I guess, the banality of evil in those who are like, if we just get through the storm, it'll be okay, so I'll do what they tell me for now, but maybe things will get better.
Meanwhile, the politicians are getting worse, the cases keep happening, the system is being destroyed, there's no justice.
Why is the system being propped up?
At this point, I'm just like, we need personal responsibility back.
The sooner we have personal responsibility, the sooner communities know that they're responsible for themselves, the better.
But it's not going to happen so long as you have people who want a paycheck who aren't going to back down.
jack murphy
Well, that's never going to change, so what are we going to do?
You can always pay people.
Our revolution was fought in part by hired guns.
The Hessians.
tim pool
Yeah, bringing some German hired guns to help us out.
So the issue, the bigger picture issue right now is no community in this country, no willingness to stand up for your ideals, your principles, and your fellow countrymen.
jack murphy
Well, there are a number of counties, let's say in a local state here nearby, Virginia, for example, who decided to stand up to their own governor and their own legislature when they were trying to pass laws that would infringe on the Second Amendment.
They put out statements.
They said, we will not honor these laws.
We will not respect these laws.
West Virginia even passed a resolution saying these counties in Virginia that want to maybe you want to secede from your blue psychopath blackface aborting baby killing emmer effort Northam in Virginia.
Maybe you want to secede from that state.
You can join us in West Virginia.
I think there are still jurisdictions where you can find the kind of people that are going to uphold the Constitution and do what we think is the right thing to do.
tim pool
Right, I'm talking about the major urban metros.
jack murphy
Yeah, well, they're toast.
tim pool
Right.
So I'm not talking about cops in- I'm not talking about sheriff's departments or cops in West Virginia.
jack murphy
It's a useful distinction.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
I'm talking about in Minneapolis where, like, they're sitting there in a burning building going, this is fine.
I'm like, dude, get out!
Stop letting them get- like, do these things!
And so the other big issue is, especially with the federal government, with what we saw with, you know, with Giuliani, Look what the FBI is doing to these people.
Some of these bumbling dotards who, like, walked through a door confused and bewildered at the Capitol.
Some people, a large portion, did storm their way in and were fighting cops.
There's a video I watched from the FBI where, like, a guy grabs a cop's mask and is shaking his head violently and I'm like, that's messed up.
That guy should get arrested.
Don't do that.
But there are some people who are bewildered, befuddled, and just like walked through an open door waving a little American flag while the cops waved to them and guided them in the building.
And the FBI is like, shit, tell us who these people are, we're gonna arrest all of them, you ain't seen nothing yet!
And then Antifa shows up and burns down a bunch of buildings and they're like, nah, it's alright.
It's all right.
It's not all right.
It's not all right.
The system is completely broken.
The cult is taking over.
And with Biden in power as president, going after Giuliani?
There it is.
So people like to say, I wonder if the reason why many of these lefties are like, Tim talks about civil wars because they don't want people to realize we're in one.
We are in a cold civil war.
Cold doesn't mean it's not happening.
Cold means it's not being fought with live ammunition.
When the government steps up and starts arresting or seizing the cell phone of the former president's lawyer, like, okay, this is, this is, this is, this is, it was the Patriot Act.
jack murphy
But it is being fought with live ammunition because when we write to him... Ammunition?
Cop chopped, cop chopped, aluminum ammunitions.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
ian crossland
Continue, please.
jack murphy
When history is written about this, they're going to include Ruby Ridge in Waco, Texas in the chronology of this experience, right?
That is a hot conflict, right?
tim pool
Well, you've also got Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and Proud Boys, and right-wing groups, and the Clashes.
jack murphy
Totally.
tim pool
Dude's taken two to the chest.
jack murphy
So, as you've talked about, I've talked about plenty, it's definitely fourth or fifth generation warfare.
This is exactly what's happening, where you've got disparate, decentralized groups, Acting in in accordance or sort of incoherence, trying to achieve a plausible promise that can be achieved.
They come together.
They work towards that promise.
It works or doesn't.
Then they dissipate and they come back together again.
We saw the network alliance this last summer between the corporations, the radical left, the BLM and Antifa.
We see a little bit of that splintering after the election with Antifa still being like F Biden.
We want anarchy, all this stuff, but nobody's really paying too much attention to that part.
So, the Civil War is on, man.
It's on.
ian crossland
Dude, the Patriot Act basically set the stage.
I remember when that got signed and thinking, like, this is so ridiculous.
Like, I didn't laugh, but I was like, this is so insane that now the government has the right to just, like, bust in my door and throw me in Guantanamo Bay.
tim pool
They don't, but...
Like I said, there are people who are going to be like, there's going to be some, you know, federal agent looking at this going, man, this is crazy.
Do you see the thing they just signed?
And then the door opens up.
Hey Johnson, go beat the crap out of that guy and throw him in prison.
You got it boss.
ian crossland
But it took 18 years.
Like it wasn't acted on for the first decade or two.
tim pool
Obama was like... What I'm saying is they don't need it.
They could go right now to the average cop and be like, brutally beat that person.
And they'll say, okay.
They'll just do it.
ian crossland
It really concerns me that they legalize that kind of thing.
And then they waited like 15 years and now they're starting to do these like... Oh, going after Giuliani?
tim pool
Let me stop you again.
That's irrelevant.
ian crossland
Well...
tim pool
You, you, you, they, going after Giuliani is with or without the Patriot Act.
The point is, our culture, the community in this country, the culture in this country has been shattered a long time ago, and now you've got people saying, I don't care, I will enforce whatever you say.
It's just easier that way.
People wonder why, you know, just following orders in World War II Germany.
Why would they do it?
Because, man, people don't care!
They literally don't care!
There's no principle behind many of these people.
ian crossland
Now, hold on.
tim pool
A lot of these cops, they quit.
A lot of them say, I don't want to do this.
But many of them who remain don't care.
And I know there's a lot of them probably conflicted.
But it's not just about the police.
It's about federal law enforcement.
It's about people in the military who would show up and follow whatever order.
Because, I don't know.
I don't have the information.
You know, I've talked, I've lived on a few different military bases, just off of Eustis, and I briefly was crashing in Fort Carson, because I have family who was there, and I asked some of the lower, you know, enlisted guys, men and women, if you were told, if you were given the order to shoot somebody, would you do it?
And they were like, well yeah, like, You don't have all the information.
They don't give you a pamphlet like identifying the individual and what's going on.
They say, stop that person now.
You do.
So it's not an issue.
It's the banality of evil.
It is not that individuals are like, I'm going to be evil today.
It's their boss comes in and says, go arrest Ian.
They go, you got it boss.
jack murphy
Well, they're like, wait, they're like, hold on, sir.
Is this in triple kit?
unidentified
Okay.
jack murphy
It's in triple kit.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
I got it.
ian crossland
That's like the, um, the ape.
We're like ancestors of apes.
We're just these, like, we're really barely out of the wild.
tim pool
Would you say saltwater monkey bodies?
ian crossland
Yeah, basically the animal kingdom, man.
We're in it.
We are animal.
Whether we want to think of ourselves as like this evolved thinking machine that isn't an animal anymore.
jack murphy
Who thinks of themselves as that, dude?
I think of myself as top of the food chain.
That's what I think.
ian crossland
We're communal animals.
And so we tend to follow the herd and the pack and we go where their food is going to be.
And so when they threaten to take away the money or the food, I mean, that's scary.
jack murphy
Well, not only that, but you touched on the real issue.
Social exile, social shame, fear of being excluded, fear of becoming the worst thing possible, a member of the out group.
ian crossland
Because you will die alone in the woods.
tim pool
That's right.
jack murphy
Don't want to be the out group.
Doesn't even matter what the out group is.
You don't want to be it, bro.
tim pool
And so as long as the cult has corporate press, no matter how much they lie, people are desperate to follow the narrative of the, you know, the dude playing the Pied Piper.
jack murphy
Bro, you gotta give it to him, man.
They won.
They won.
All the media, all the institutions, all the narrative tech, they big tech corporations, the government, the narratives, your thought processes, your value system, everything.
They won.
They totally won.
It will now take people willing to be part of the out group in order to fight back against this.
And that willingness to be part of the outgroup involves being financially in the outgroup, economically in the outgroup, politically in the outgroup, socially in the outgroup.
You have to be willing to be a pariah and an independent operator in order to withstand what's happening and just to survive and maintain your sense of self and your sense of identity.
But to fight back, holy crap, you need to be able to amass resources.
You need to be able to amass teammates.
in a way that's still outside of the system.
You're not going to go down to your local college, like round up a bunch of guys that are going to see things
the way we do.
tim pool
And most people are going to duck and say, I hope the fire passes overhead.
And then within a few weeks, there is a burnt Christmas.
ian crossland
You mentioned they're like, uh, you're no longer allowed to have a bank, but you need to pay property taxes on your house.
Can't pay.
Don't have money.
tim pool
They're doing that already.
ian crossland
Then they seize property.
So you try and be outside the system, but the system's still going to come for you unless you're on some distant planet, which isn't feasible at this stage.
tim pool
Unless people start speaking up, refusing to participate in a game in which they know their opponents are cheating.
But instead they're like, I don't know, you know, I'm good for now.
I'll just shut up and just take what I can get.
ian crossland
You're right.
Speaking up is key, but also building like the Founding Fathers.
We kind of talked about this before the show.
They spent two decades writing it out, like creating.
tim pool
It was like a century.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like organizing a database and a plan.
So in addition to speaking up to have the basic, you know, the technology basically.
jack murphy
You know what I was really feeling jealous of earlier was like in the old days, like the really old days, you'd be like, I hate this place.
I'm out of here.
And you could just roll off to some wilderness.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
There's nowhere.
There's nowhere to go now.
Every place has been conquered.
Every place is entirely true.
What, where are you going to go where there's lawlessness where you could set up your own country?
tim pool
I mean, set up your own country.
If you're one person and you kind of want to be left alone, Mexico's got a lot of territory.
There's a lot of places in Mexico where you can go and kind of do your thing.
There's that anarchist place.
What state is that that Luke loves?
lydia smith
Anarchapulco?
tim pool
No, that's just the name of a conference.
lydia smith
I can't remember the name.
tim pool
There's a Southwestern... I can't remember the name of it, but Luke is like, it's anarchy.
This town kicked out the government and the cops, and now it's totally anarchy.
jack murphy
Well, that's cool, but they better have a lot of guns.
The narco-terrorists want to roll through there and take back their power.
You better be able to defend yourself.
tim pool
But what do the people have that they would want?
jack murphy
It doesn't matter.
My point is, where truly can you just go and chill?
tim pool
Not really anywhere.
Tell me.
ian crossland
Build an island.
tim pool
Alright, the Yukon Territory.
ian crossland
Alaska.
jack murphy
Yeah, that's probably true.
tim pool
Alaska's rad.
Dude, you can just stroll up to the middle of Alaska and just take a bus in there and live in an old bus and then eat the wrong colored seeds and die.
lydia smith
Yep.
ian crossland
Shout out to, what was that movie?
tim pool
Into the Wild.
You can go to Alaska, man!
It's beautiful.
A lot of fish.
jack murphy
Still got the FBI in Alaska.
tim pool
Yeah, but they're not gonna go up to Alaska and bother you if all you do is fish all day and you mind your own business.
ian crossland
But if you speak up, if you're loud, they might start looking for you.
tim pool
Yeah, but that's you.
I'm saying if you wanna just get away and you're like, I don't wanna be a part of this anymore, ain't nobody's gonna stop you.
You can easily just go up to, I mean, dude, you can go to the middle of Nebraska even.
Sure.
I mean, eventually someone might knock on your door and you'll be like, I'm just some dude eating a fish.
Like, leave me alone.
And they probably will.
ian crossland
I think there's a movement to make sure that it gets harder and harder to get to run away.
jack murphy
You still got to pay property taxes in Alaska, bro.
I bet.
tim pool
Unless you're just some dude who lives in a bus.
I get it, though, if you have a family.
But to your point about being able to just up and leave, you can.
It's just really, really hard.
It was really hard to get in a boat and cross the Atlantic and land on the eastern shore of the New World.
Is really, really hard.
Hope you brought a sword because there's gonna be some wild animals and you gotta figure out your food right when you get here.
So maybe you do the same thing now.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, look, it's not even that.
Buy some land in the middle of nowhere.
It's not gonna be that expensive.
And Alaska pays you when you live there.
I'm pretty sure that would cover your property taxes if you got like a couple acres.
ian crossland
But that's only gonna help you dip out if you really want to change the system and organize.
jack murphy
I mean, you could do it under the radar, like with encryption and like, you know, networks that aren't You know how they did it in the old days, the old, old, old days, ancient days, like the philosophers, they wrote their messages in what they call esoterically, where they would say one thing up here, but the real message was under here for the people that could parse it.
And they were still able to manage, like talking about philosophy and politics at the same time as like existing in a political state.
Where philosophy often challenges the political state, right?
Because you're talking about politics, right?
In most cases.
And this was a style of communicating that was able to mask the underlying message.
So we're gonna have to get better at that, that's for sure.
Instead of just being 280 characters.
Sedition!
tim pool
I'm gonna rain on the parade of everybody.
What parade?
jack murphy
There's no parade!
You're gonna rain on my funeral!
tim pool
So there there are people who still are like no, you know, I'm gonna rain on the parade of those who have what little optimism Let's just make the rain it's it's not just rain acid rain.
It's acid rain.
It's acid hail It's hailing.
There's lightning.
The wind is kicking up.
People are standing there.
Their skin is peeling Okay, did you know that?
Illegal immigrants in this country have votes represented in the presidential election?
jack murphy
Yep.
I did not know that.
tim pool
It's very simple.
The electoral college is comprised of... It's basically however many states, how many representatives they have, they get an electoral vote.
Illegal immigrants are counted towards representation in Congress.
So when California says Sanctuary State and starts bringing in as many people as possible and incentivizing it with free healthcare like they did for people under 26, they then say, now we have 7 million people.
We'll take 10 congressional seats and 10 electoral votes, please.
unidentified
And it works.
tim pool
That means Figure out how many illegal immigrants are in this country.
Now they may not be directly voting, but so long as they live in California, we're not a direct democracy.
We do not win the presidency off the popular vote.
So it doesn't matter necessarily if an individual casts the vote, it matters if the state chooses who to vote for, and if the state has more congressional seats because they allow illegal immigrants into the country, Well then, it is of greater likelihood that the Democratic president can win because California has an obscene amount of congressional representation, not necessarily because of illegal immigration.
I was actually reading Center for Immigration Studies, which the left calls like far-right, and they don't say it's actually that much.
It's like one extra vote.
But that still matters in the context of what I'm talking about.
You want to talk about a collapse in the system, you want to talk about Joe Biden going after his political rivals, you know, Donald Trump's lawyer.
How long has it been at this system that you could be not a citizen and still influence the presidential election?
And so what happens then because of that simple fact, the Democratic Party is incentivized to get more congressional representation right now.
Trevor Noah from The Daily Show has a segment where he's saying, 89 people?
89 people in New York didn't fill out their census?
Come on, men!
And now all of a sudden we lose a congressional seat?
That's how important it is.
And an electoral vote.
It's not about, you know, voter fraud or people voting.
It's about congressional representation and the electoral college.
That's what you get when you have more people.
jack murphy
This isn't the first time, though, that the United States has based their electoral votes on non-voting populations, right?
tim pool
No, of course.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
Yeah.
Slavery, obviously, is the very first good example of that.
Dude, I'm feeling it.
I'm feeling all that.
And that's exactly why when Donald Trump proposed in the 2020 census, To actually ask people who were being counted, if they were citizens of the United States, that the left freaked out about that.
Whenever the left freaks out about something that is perfectly rational.
Like, are we counting citizens here?
Are we just counting every schlub that walked across the street?
Because it determines how many votes we have in Congress and all these things.
When they're freaking out about something that's perfectly rational, then you know, it's part of their, their game plan.
tim pool
Alright, I'm gonna do a 180 now.
And I'm going to be a rain of sunshine on your parade.
The sky is clearing up, the acid rain is going away.
People are now looking up at the sunlight.
Although their acid rain riddled skin is being hurt by the sunlight, they're still smiling to see it.
jack murphy
I'm going back underground now.
tim pool
You're gonna love this one.
Ladies and gentlemen, we got this amazing story.
Check this out.
Project Veritas has an update in their lawsuit with the New York Times, and the New York Times is tripping over themselves and taking a dump on their own credibility in a desperate attempt to stop James O'Keefe.
It's glorious.
So James put out an update video.
The defense the New York Times is going with is that they have no idea what's going on.
They didn't actually investigate James O'Keefe or his story.
They didn't talk to any people involved or ask anyone for comment.
It was a bunch of opinions, and they're completely ignorant of anything that happened in this case.
jack murphy
This is their without malice part of the argument.
tim pool
But this means that James O'Keefe has just taken an axe to the base of the fake news narrative tree.
In the Veritas video, they point out how, after the New York Times says this, USA Today cites the New York Times, saying Project Veritas is part of coordinated disinformation.
Then you get Wikipedia, and you get Twitter, Facebook, all running the same story and banning this based on the fact that the New York Times said it was true.
And now the New York Times has admitted, in no uncertain terms, in a court of law, one, it was just our opinion, two, we didn't actually follow up on any of this story, and three, we honestly have no idea what's going on anyway.
ian crossland
That's malicious.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, malicious is a reference to knowing it's false.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So what they're saying is we're totally clueless about this story, so it can't be malice.
ian crossland
Maybe not malice.
Um, what would you call it?
tim pool
Not legal malice.
ian crossland
When you just like fire a gun everywhere without looking and then it hits somebody.
unidentified
Negligence?
ian crossland
Yeah, negligence.
tim pool
Uh, evincing a depraved mind.
ian crossland
Negligence was the word I was looking for.
Negligence.
Is that illegal?
Can you hit someone on negligence?
jack murphy
What I love is that all these news organizations take the same tact.
It's like, Oh, we're not actually reporting facts.
We don't actually investigate stuff.
We're just talking.
We're just speculating.
ian crossland
That's like willful negligence.
tim pool
It's one thing when Tucker Carlson is defending himself in a suit and says it's an opinion
show that no one should take seriously or whatever.
It's another thing when the New York Times runs a fact-based news story in their main
news section and has to admit to the court, these are not opinion writers, these are news
reporters who published in the news section unverified opinions that they did not investigate
jack murphy
anyway.
So they're either malicious or incompetent, dumb or diabolical.
unidentified
Yes.
jack murphy
All the things that we've been talking about for years now coming to the forefront.
But guess who's going to care?
Guess how much traction that story is going to get?
Guess how much of an impact that's going to make an American people's minds that the New York Times admits that they don't fact check.
They don't research.
They don't investigate the stories that they put out as fact.
How much influence is that going to have?
tim pool
None.
jack murphy
That much, guys.
That much.
tim pool
Got your neck.
Are you making a... No, it's a neck.
jack murphy
It's a neck thing.
It's a neck thing.
tim pool
Did you see the story of the Jeopardy contestant who did the three-pointer hand sign because he won three times and they started screaming he was a white supremacist?
You know what's funny is that this guy could win Jeopardy and still not understand the context of the opening gesture.
It's like, dude, you read trivia all day.
Certainly you read the news story about why you don't make that hand sign.
jack murphy
Because that's certainly trivial.
tim pool
So Project Veritas, still, this is good, because it is part of the battle, and Veritas is suing Twitter as well, and CNN, and they're probably going to win, and it's going to empower Veritas more, and at least someone is fighting back and having a good go at it.
However, regular people watching CNN won't hear it, and the people who already like Veritas will, and be like, good.
But, it's a tool for all of you.
If you're somebody who is sick and tired.
Yes, you Ian.
unidentified
No, him.
tim pool
No, Jack.
ian crossland
Jack.
tim pool
If you're somebody who has friends and family, and I know it's difficult because a lot of people are like, my parents, my friends, they won't watch this stuff.
They won't read the news anyway.
They don't want to hear it.
It's one more thing we can be like, oh, hey, look at that.
The New York Times admits they don't actually fact check their stories.
At the very least, you can do this.
jack murphy
Dude, they won't even believe it, though.
You could read it to them.
New York Times, in the New York Times, them saying they don't, they won't even believe it.
tim pool
But, no, no, no, no.
It's all about how you present it.
If you go to a family member, let's say you've got a Joe Biden-supporting family member, and you go to them and go, Biden is awful, you know, I'll tell you why.
I can't believe you vote for him, and you argue with him.
Get out of here!
Get out of here!
It's neutral.
up to him and you go, do you see that crazy thing that lawsuit or something?
The New York times apparently admitted they don't even fact check their stories.
Weird, huh?
And that's it.
That's all you say.
ian crossland
That's neutral.
That's good.
tim pool
It's just, I don't know.
And then they're like, what does that mean?
They're like, I don't know.
I guess I'll subscribe to us today or something.
Cause yeah.
And you don't make it a big thing.
You don't tie it to things.
You just tell them outright.
So you're sitting there and you'll be like, did you hear about that story the other day?
Like I guess the New York Times got sued and then they came out and just admitted their news stories have unverified opinion.
They're not fact-checking.
Man, that's crazy.
I guess I'll probably just take a different paper, I guess.
jack murphy
That's crazy, man.
You know, the Washington Post, they used to do fact-checking of the president.
They stopped doing that.
Did you hear that?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
Some do Joe Biden.
jack murphy
Yeah, some do Joe Biden.
Joe Biden's president.
We don't need to fact-check him because he's not really saying those things.
ian crossland
They just announced that today.
They just announced that today because they don't think it's actually Joe Biden.
jack murphy
No, it's whoever's writing is talking point.
So therefore, they don't need to fact-check the president.
OK, guys.
Hey, George Bush went into Iraq.
But you know what?
It was based on the information of other people that they gave him.
But it doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter.
tim pool
Yeah, I love these tweets from the establishment lefties who are like, I woke up on Sunday and everything was great because Trump didn't tweet.
And it's like, you open the news and it's like Joe Biden bombed Syria or whatever.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Did he bomb Syria already?
No, he didn't.
Right.
jack murphy
No, no, no.
I believe I believe that they did.
And I believe they did.
Yep.
And there was also a shot fired at an Iranian ship, I believe.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
jack murphy
I remember that because I tweeted that one out.
I said, Orange Man made me do it.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
Sorry.
Biden launched an airstrike against Syria one month into his residency.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
Exactly.
tim pool
So it's like, you know, these people are all cheering.
And have you seen that commercial where the woman she's working at a shop?
And the flowers in the shop are talking to her and she's singing and it's like Disney.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And the puddle goes, I'm going to put Lisa on crutches.
And then everything turns back to normal and she goes, what?
And then the guy's like, you know, you got to get crutches, man.
And it's, you know, an insurance commercial or something.
It's a good commercial.
But I see that it reminds me of like these, these Biden people who are now posting Biden
sucks.
You know, Biden voters posting their L's.
There's a Twitter account for this.
And it's the people who are, like, during the election going, like, yay!
And they're all, like, singing Good Morning Starshine or whatever and holding hands under the rainbow.
And then a month in, they're like, everything is dark and gloomy and awful.
And there's a dark filter on the lens that makes you just feel miserable.
jack murphy
You know what's interesting?
I thought that being right would make me feel good.
unidentified
It really, really does.
jack murphy
It makes me feel worse.
ian crossland
It's being part of the crowd that makes you feel good.
jack murphy
Yes.
Being right when everything's going so wrong, every step of the way, it's like...
ian crossland
If you have a lot of people with you agreeing with you and acknowledging that you're right, it helps.
jack murphy
Bro, I have 108,000 now people on Twitter agreeing with me largely and it still doesn't help.
It makes me feel terrible being right.
ian crossland
A lot of the greatest people in history died in poverty.
They were hated throughout their lives.
They were persecuted.
They were like Socrates was made to drink poison.
They weren't accepted, but that doesn't make them wrong.
So maybe you're one of those people.
jack murphy
Well, I'm definitely not in poverty, so I'm winning.
Socrates, got you, buddy.
unidentified
You're doing better than the soap.
tim pool
Great.
ian crossland
I don't know, man.
tim pool
It's kind of worrying to me that we've built a culture, a society of people who are desperate to just be a part of the crowd.
ian crossland
You would think we'd be past that.
jack murphy
No, no, no, no.
We didn't build a society that does that.
That's human nature, bro.
That's human nature everywhere, all across time, all across everything.
Why?
Because we thrive in small groups.
tim pool
Yeah, but look at Sparta, dude.
Those people were nuts.
That's the opposite.
We don't want to go that direction either, but I'm saying, like, that you can build a society that's like... I mean, they would, like... What would they do?
Wouldn't they, like, test babies?
ian crossland
Yeah, they would kill any sick babies.
tim pool
No, but wouldn't they, like, hold them underwater or something?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Something ridiculous where it was, like, if the baby survived, it was strong enough.
jack murphy
Warrior.
Keep.
unidentified
Warrior.
ian crossland
Kids would fight in the military from age either 6 or 8 to 30.
Every Spartan was in the military from age.
tim pool
See, I'm not all about that.
But we have the opposite, where it's like, you know, you've seen Idiocracy, right?
Yes, those those those that reproduce the most win So it's like you combine idiocracy with Wally where you
have all the people just morbidly obese in hover chairs And that's what we've been for a long time. We've been a
nation of just Life's too good too easy. No conflict. No challenge. No
struggle and it is it's our own Well, I'd say it's our own fault, but I wasn't alive and I
think you know We here on this show are you know trying desperately to get
people to care about the future of this planet and things like that
But there are people of previous generations.
I guess it's, you know, good men, I'm sorry, good times make weak men.
Weak men make hard times.
Maybe the hard times are going to make some strong men in the next generation.
Things will turn around.
ian crossland
That American dream where they're like, I'm just going to get my own little plot of land and everyone else can screw off and I'll protect my family and everyone else goodbye.
That's not good.
Because what that's done is created like this subsect of plutocrats that are like, I'm going to protect myself and let the rest of society suffer.
jack murphy
No, no, no, no, no, no.
The number one factor to resist tyranny is the power to feed and protect yourself.
If you have land and you can feed yourself, that is the best protector against tyranny there ever was.
That is why Rome, it was a big deal to have land and take care of yourself.
And as soon as they stopped, as soon as like land owning stopped being as dispersed as it was, warriors and soldiers couldn't own land anymore, or it stopped becoming a requirement, uh, in order to be a, uh, in the army.
Landholding got consolidated by wealthiest aristocrats and the people didn't have land to take care of themselves.
That's the problem in America.
If we, everybody was homesteading, if everybody could have their own food, their own energy, their own warmth, their own land, their own security.
Well, that is a mighty fine resistance to tyranny.
tim pool
You're saying it's like when the wealthy took away the ability of the regular people to have land and survive, they became dependent upon that system.
jack murphy
Yes.
So where are you leading me, Tim?
tim pool
I don't know.
I'm thinking about this, and I'm wondering, what if the workers of the world united?
lydia smith
Oh, I see.
jack murphy
Workers of the world.
That was too gentle.
You were just drawing me in there.
tim pool
You're like, what are you doing?
jack murphy
How about this?
Farmers of the world unite.
That's better.
ian crossland
I'll elaborate on what I'm saying.
tim pool
Hold on.
Hold on.
See, they take that statement, workers of the world unite, and it's become a bad thing because of the darkness that's behind it, the exploitation.
But regular working people agreeing to defend each other from exploitation and the corrupt political elites is not a bad thing.
The bad thing is when the corrupt political elite says, hey, we're gonna get all the workers to unite.
Now just do as you're told.
jack murphy
Exactly.
tim pool
That's the problem.
ian crossland
To clarify the American dream or whatever of having your own land and protecting it and how that's a problem is that I think that some people just stop there and that's it.
And then they don't care about other people.
And so they're okay if other people are suffering like, well, he arrested that guy.
It's not my problem.
And the isolationist mentality that kept us out of World War II, for instance.
There's more to it.
Yeah, you want your own property and your own your own food, but you have to think about and care for others.
I know it's not like you don't want to politicize it and make people do it, but we need to do that.
jack murphy
What's funny is about when people do have their own land and their own sustenance and their own heat and their own protection, the need to actually engage with and care about other people and your interaction with it just decreases.
Right.
It's that it's that connectivity, especially over long range distances, to bring us all together into this proximity that we're not accustomed to.
This is actually part of the problem.
tim pool
And that's why they want everybody to have guns.
jack murphy
In the good way.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
You have your property, you don't really... Have you guys seen the movie The Patriot with Mel Gibson?
jack murphy
Yes.
tim pool
What an amazing movie.
The British hate it apparently because it makes them look like villains.
ian crossland
Oh, the British?
It was pure propaganda, but it was good.
tim pool
But there's that scene where Mel Gibson's like, we're going into town, and they're like, oh, we're going into town!
Because you don't go into town.
You live on a farm, you work, you do nothing but work.
Going to town was a rare thing.
ian crossland
Before the telephone.
tim pool
But so, right, right, it's like a mail carrier has delivered a mail and everyone gathers around, what is it?
What's the message?
Oh man, because I've been looking at chickens for six months!
Give me something to read!
But so, what happens is, back then, everybody needs to be ready and able to defend themselves, because if someone starts invading your land, how will you get word out to the local militia or to the community?
You gotta be ready and able to defend yourself.
Then when conflict starts, word will spread eventually and then people can start mobilizing.
But in the meantime, you need to be able to have to have you need to keep in bare arms.
lydia smith
I'm gonna agree with Ian a little bit on this one because this is actually something I've really been thinking about and I'll explain myself.
This is like the underlying idea.
Okay, so this is a problem that I've actually watched.
You can make fun of me, I don't care.
jack murphy
I'm making fun of Ian, but I love Ian.
We know this.
lydia smith
It's fine.
Okay, let me finish.
Okay, so this is the underlying issue I think in like the Libertarian Party and to some extent in the conservative movement is that this idea of the individual is so much higher Than every other ideal.
And I understand how important that is.
And I fully respect and appreciate that.
That's crucial.
But Ian is right that we need to have that community.
And Tim just talked about that.
He's like, you need to be able to defend yourself.
You need to be able to gang up with other people when it's time to rise to the occasion and fight the bad guys.
jack murphy
That's right.
A well-regulated militia.
lydia smith
Exactly.
Like that's a group, you know?
jack murphy
Yeah.
And by regulated, I think we mean trained and equipped, right?
tim pool
Functioning.
Functioning.
It doesn't necessarily mean trained.
It just means functioning.
jack murphy
Functioning.
tim pool
Yeah, so, uh, in the Patriot, I love the end where, I think it's Cornwallis, he goes, he's like, what does he say?
Like, are my eyes deceiving me, or is that militia forming at their center?
Yeah, because the militia weren't trained.
They were right, but they were functional.
They were functional.
They had weapons.
They could follow orders.
They could generally cooperate in such a way, but they were not trained.
I gotta say, man, it's really funny when you look back at history and you're like, why would anyone fight a war that way?
You know what I mean?
Like, marching with drummers.
There was a meme on Reddit and they were like, someone said, I cannot understate the absurdity of the fact that armies had drummers marching into battle just playing a drum, like, dude, you're gonna die, what are you doing?
Not careful allocation of resources, I guess.
ian crossland
It was before radio.
That's how they communicated with troops.
They'd be like, turn right.
And the horns.
tim pool
And the horns and the flags and all that stuff so they knew where to go because you couldn't hear someone yell.
But the crazy thing is people need to realize this.
Man, we're all really standing on the shoulders of giants.
The crazy thing is that if you took the average person and brought them back in time a few thousand years, they certainly aren't going to be building nuclear fusion reactors or probably even very complex machines, but they know what a wheel is, they know what a gear is, they know how to make bread.
I assure you.
Not good bread, but you take the average person and say, how do you make bread?
Like, I don't know, flour, water, and egg or something?
They'd figure it out really quickly because they've seen it.
Whereas thousands of years ago, people would be like, what's bread?
Take a regular person, they'll be like, see that stuff?
Mash it up.
And they'll mash it up very poorly, mix it with some water, and then put it over a fire, and they'll get some crappy bread.
But to everyone else, it would be shocking.
And they could be like, check out a wheel.
There's basic things that we know simply because we've grown up in a world where we stand on the shoulders of giants.
So when it comes to warfare, it seems obvious to us.
What kind of moron would just march in a field very slowly and then just stand there?
Why weren't they taking cover?
jack murphy
Take it for granted the transition between like sword based You know infantry battles and the rifle based battles were
bad ones Look at what happened in the Civil War Civil War
We were using old-school techniques of like some fronts and like storming at each other and all that with these guns
and cannons with Percussion cap revolvers right and and so many people died
So many people died and I think that's one reason why we didn't get involved in World War one is suit as soon as the
other countries because we had a very visceral memory.
What it was like to use stupid-ass old techniques against modern war weapons and so many people died just like they did in World War 1.
It was travesty.
ian crossland
France, they would they would get out of the trenches and charge towards machine guns, which is the first time they'd ever been used in war.
I mean the modern machine guns.
jack murphy
You've seen Gallipoli?
Have you seen the movie Gallipoli with Mel Gibson when he's like 18?
Oh, dude, you have Got to watch that.
Yeah, what's it about?
It's about him in the Australian infantry and they're in Turkey.
It's near the end of World War One.
And it's about him as a courier trying to stop, I don't want to ruin it, trying to stop a rush coming out of the trench into the machine guns.
tim pool
Oh, it's like 1917.
jack murphy
Yeah, it's like that.
tim pool
Have you seen it?
Have you seen it?
ian crossland
I hear it's one of the best.
tim pool
That movie's awesome.
lydia smith
Amazing.
tim pool
The whole movie is in the style of a single shot.
No breaks, and it follows two infantrymen going through... It's World War I, and it's amazing.
So the camera does have cuts.
They do things where it goes past a tree.
But the time is it's real time.
The movie's amazing.
And it's a similar story.
jack murphy
So in that regard, the fact that we're fighting our conflicts now with China and internally in a fourth or fifth generation warfare situation with economics, information, morality, emotions, all these kind of things, rather than just force on force.
unidentified
Huh.
jack murphy
There's a, there's a little bit of evolution there.
It reminds me of that old Star Trek, right?
Where they're just like, we're at war with this planet.
And, uh, okay.
We've decided there will be this much calc, you know, this much casualties in this war.
And they just send people off to their little death camps and stuff.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure it was Star Trek, but they just like calculated the casualties and everybody had to like suffer.
And some people just walked off and they didn't actually fight the wars.
They just calculated the wars.
tim pool
I don't remember that.
Which series was it?
jack murphy
Oh, like original.
tim pool
Original series?
Okay, maybe.
jack murphy
Someone in the chat will bring that up.
tim pool
It reminds me more, sorry, a better analogy I think is Zach Brannigan in Futurama when he said that he defeated the Killbots by realizing they had a preset kill limit.
So he just sent wave after wave of his own men until that limit was reached and then they stopped fighting.
jack murphy
Sort of like Sherman.
tim pool
There you go.
ian crossland
Brutal.
jack murphy
What were you going to say, bro?
We're all looking at you.
ian crossland
We've always used, I don't know if there's an end point to this, but there's, we've always used those techniques that we have now that we call it fifth dimensional war or whatever.
There's like generational.
Yeah.
The love of, you know, fighting for the soul.
Fifth dimensional war.
tim pool
Time and space and alternate dimensions.
ian crossland
It's not going to feel good.
jack murphy
Jack Posobiec's next book.
ian crossland
False flags and getting people to fight for something that wasn't real, you know, was, was an ancient, an ancient thing.
Cause if you can, as long as you can frenzy people into wanting to do it, that's really the, well, you know, it was even easier.
jack murphy
It was like, let's just go get rich.
Y'all.
ian crossland
That was- Extracting wealth?
jack murphy
Yeah!
Conquests!
The Vikings, that's what they do.
They just went and invaded England just to get gold chalices.
tim pool
Alright, now, let's get back on track for a second.
jack murphy
Oh, right.
Giuliani.
tim pool
Well, no, we were talking about- A long time ago.
We just, you know, we're talking about Veritas and the victory.
And I want to keep raining down sunshine on people, because it started really dark.
I mean, the Giuliani stuff is freaky.
ian crossland
Feels good.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, we've got a secret weapon.
You ready for this ultimate secret weapon?
ian crossland
I'm ready.
tim pool
It is the return of MAGA rallies.
I'm kidding, it's not a secret weapon.
But Donald Trump is planning... He may hold MAGA rallies beginning in May, according to a report.
The Trump brothers are gonna come back and you know, I jokingly say it's a secret weapon, but it is going to start
Kicking things back up getting people back in in focus.
Maybe not You know, there's there's some bad people I guess but the
general idea is Getting people to Center around something probably
something better than I don't know just pessimism and black pills
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't man. I hate trash and Trump because he's not a horrible human
But I just I don't like that. He's the guy I mean...
tim pool
Yup.
That's right.
jack murphy
He's got, he's got many fatal flaws.
Many.
One of them is this desperate need to be liked.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
Has to be liked.
And as Darren B very astutely pointed out on our last Friday sessions, check it out.
YouTube.com forward slash Jack Murphy live.
He was an insider, Trump insider, and also interviewed Amanda Milius at the same time and also a Trump insider.
And they both were very honest and very open and candid about the flaws of the Trump administration from the perspective of true MAGA believers who were appointed by the president.
Right.
So this is an honest assessment as you're going to get.
And one of the things that they drilled down on was the fact that Trump needed to be liked.
And what that translated into was him saying things like, oh, there's no, there's everybody loves us on campus. Oh,
there's no, there's no, there's no conflicts in the street. Oh, everybody,
everything's great.
Everything's great about this. Everybody loves us. Right.
But at the same time, there was actually violence.
You couldn't wear a MAGA hat on campus.
There was actually violence at the rallies.
There was actually people, you know, attacking other people for supporting Trump.
And so his desire... Don't get excited.
I truly am not excited about that.
I wish I were.
I wish there was a 3.0 person who was like ready to be the Trump that we really need now.
But that person hasn't seemed to materialize just yet.
DeSantis?
I've watched him in Florida.
I don't know too terribly much about him.
The people of Florida may not vote for him as president because they want him to stay governor.
You never know.
Crazy things have happened.
ian crossland
Trump had that star power.
He was a famous business mogul.
Mark Cuban, Elon Musk.
Zuckerberg, you know, some crazy... Not him, obviously.
jack murphy
Trump, before he was president, was more famous than all three of those guys.
Three of those guys are now.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was so famous.
tim pool
I wish Zuckerberg would have run on the Democratic ticket.
unidentified
That'd be cool.
tim pool
In 2020, you know why?
Well, actually, I don't know if he would have won, but it would have been hilarious.
It would have been the worst possible thing for the people of this planet, but it would have been hilarious to have, like... You know, Zuckerberg is like a combination of Data from Star Trek and the Joker.
ian crossland
He looks like Data.
He really looks like Thanos.
tim pool
He totally does.
Oh, so like, like lore, basically.
Well, no, no, no, no.
In Star Trek, Lore is Data's brother, but he's, like, megalomaniacal.
That doesn't really work.
jack murphy
They did a good twin, bad twin shtick with Data and his android brother?
tim pool
I think Lore was first.
Synthetic Humanoid was with emotions and he became sociopathic.
So then Data was created without emotions and had to, like, learn or whatever.
But no, no, it's not a fair comparison.
It would actually be like, you know, Data was a good person, you know, struggling to try to learn how to become human.
You take that element of the very analytical data-driven and combine it with the Joker and you get Mark Zuckerberg.
It would have been a hilarious presidency.
It would have been awesome.
But just terrible.
jack murphy
He's more powerful now.
tim pool
Right, so he didn't want to do it.
jack murphy
Yeah.
And that's a sad statement when we find out that the corporations are more powerful than the presidency of the United States.
That's a problem.
tim pool
You know what I love?
jack murphy
Libertarians, fix that.
tim pool
Let me tell you, I've been laughing all day.
You might not know this, but I actually got heavily involved in politics through just general activism when I was younger, in music, and I worked for non-profits.
But there was a period where I started hanging out at hacker spaces in like 2010, 2011.
So I became friends with a lot of very prominent hackers in these spaces, hacker spaces.
And at the time, Anonymous was really big, the hacker collective online, and a couple other groups like Telecomics.
Some of these individuals stayed true to their data love and libertarian principles of rejecting authoritarianism.
But something really interesting happened.
There's a hacker convention called DEFCON, which is a very prominent, it's like the biggest hacker convention.
They also have Black Hat, which is very corporate.
And we were watching, like my friends, some of these very prominent, well-known, famous hackers, the woke infestation, and activists started coming to the hacker conferences, people who were not hackers at all, who didn't understand the culture, didn't understand the symbols, didn't understand literally anything about hacker culture, but they liked the activism that they saw from hackers, so they started coming in.
Some of these people, at the time, were very, very anti-intelligence agency.
I mean, there were people screaming and ranting about spying and all that stuff.
And something really interesting happened, I think it was a few years ago.
One guy was speaking at DEF CON and made a statement where he was supporting law enforcement, and the audience started clapping and cheering, and he was like, wow!
Never thought I would give a speech at DEF CON and have people cheer for the federal government.
And they were cheering because he was speaking about Russian interference and things like that.
My favorite thing all day, I've been just laughing, slapping my knee, are some of these hacktivist Antifa people that I know cheering on the FBI right now.
And so I've been commenting on their pages.
I'm like, I am so glad to see you've been de-radicalized and you're on board with the federal government.
You know, I was really worried because you were very anti, you were very extremist anti-government when I knew you to see you now fully on board with authority and the liberal, you know, the liberal, uh, you know, liberals running the government.
It's, it's, it's, it's a good thing.
And all of a sudden their brains like, Oh, Did it work?
ian crossland
They're rebooting.
We'll find out.
jack murphy
They'll come back with something else.
It won't matter.
There's no way to shake people free, even with logic in their own behavior held up to them with a mirror one inch from their face.
ian crossland
It's like one out of 10.
jack murphy
It takes trauma.
It takes serious trauma where you finally have to admit that your mental model of the world is not leading you into productive outcomes.
tim pool
I got it.
I got it.
I got an idea.
Here's what you gotta do, alright?
jack murphy
Acid hail.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Go to your friends and family, right?
jack murphy
The ones that you know are like... The ones that are still talking to me?
tim pool
Yeah, the ones that are... And be like, do you guys wanna go see this band play?
You wanna go see a band?
And then when they're like, oh sure, we're gonna go out and see this big show, it's gonna be fantastic.
It's gonna be this famous, you know, saxophonist or something.
And then you bring him to a MAGA rally.
And then you pull up in the parking lot, you walk up, and they're like, why is everybody wearing MAGA hats?
You're like, oh, I don't know.
And then you get him in, and then they're standing there like, what's going on?
And that's when Trump comes out, and then they're gonna be like, huh, huh, what's that?
But then they're gonna see, it's a bunch of regular people, and everyone's gonna be smiling, there's gonna be babies, and there are people gonna be shaking hands, and Donald Trump's gonna be, I'm kidding, by the way, don't really do that.
jack murphy
Oh, I was like signing people up in my head, envisioning in my mind what was gonna happen when he starts going, lock her up, lock her up.
tim pool
Well, I don't think he'll do that now.
unidentified
Especially because Giuliani's going to be in jail.
tim pool
We just watched earlier the Curb Your Enthusiasm, where he gets the idea to wear the MAGA hat.
It was so good.
He has to have a meeting with a guy he doesn't like, so he gets the idea to wear a MAGA hat, and the guy is sitting in the restaurant, and he's like, I gotta go and I don't want to be here.
So then my favorite bit is when he's driving and he cuts off the biker and the biker is like yelling and I'm like, ah, so he pulls over and then he puts the hat on and then the biker goes, just be more careful next time.
And then just leaves.
That was a great show.
That was good.
jack murphy
It was a good show.
He, he is, uh, id unchecked, right?
Like just behaving with no regard for anyone else about anything.
His fields OFs are fallow as F.
ian crossland
Do you think?
I mean, this is kind of an obvious thing.
When we talk about the Giuliani thing, we didn't even mention the Hunter Biden email laptop thing that Giuliani basically spearheaded and popularized as best as he could.
Makes me think that it's a political retribution, but I still don't know any of the evidence.
Maybe he did something wrong.
jack murphy
Dude, we sit here and we look at these facts and we're like, we are so right.
We're so right about everything.
The insurgents bull crap, the retribution bull crap, the like stepping on the Constitution, all these things, all the election stuff.
We're like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
And we are we are so comfortable in our position.
tim pool
What do you mean?
jack murphy
I just I mean, I'm open to challenges and critique, but like, I'm pretty sure that the way we see the world is accurate.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
But there's a, there's another group of four sitting around right now, somewhere doing a podcast right now, looking at the same fact pattern and saying a narrative completely opposite 180 of what we're saying.
And they feel as secure as we do that they're right.
ian crossland
Sure.
jack murphy
This is the problem.
tim pool
There's a podcast it's called like things you should know or something.
Have you ever heard of it?
jack murphy
Nope.
tim pool
Have you heard of it?
jack murphy
Nope.
tim pool
Stuff you should know.
jack murphy
Young genociders or something.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
It's just like some dude sitting around.
But I listened to one of these episodes and again, I could be wrong about the name of the podcast, but they were talking about like climate change.
And then one of the guys is like, dude, like, I mean, fossil fuels are going to run out anyway.
We need to start doing research.
And the other guy goes like, yeah, dude, like there's never going to be dinosaurs.
You know what I mean?
And the guy's like, right, like fossil fuels are dinosaurs and we're not going to have more dinosaurs.
And then the guy's like, could you imagine if they like made a Jurassic Park thing to like make more dinosaurs so we can get more oil?
And I was like, what the?
What is this?
It's a top podcast.
First of all, we already synthesized petroleum with algae.
It's not dinosaurs.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Lots of ways.
Blue crude.
There's lots of ways to make oil nowadays.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Pressurized plastic with no oxygen.
We'll convert it back into oil.
tim pool
So I was like, there are people who genuinely think petroleum is dinosaurs.
It's like, dude, it's not.
I think it's mostly algae anyway.
It's just organic matter decomposed for the most part, I believe.
But regardless, it's like, I was reading an article the week before about a breakthrough in synthesized petroleum.
It's not really energy efficient to do.
It's energy efficient for us to take it out of the ground because it's already been created.
And maybe there's, you know, other things we can do.
But there are people... When they sit around in their podcasts, they talk about stuff.
Yeah, they're dumb.
jack murphy
They're dumb.
They really are dumb.
So no, there is no one else that's looking at the facts like we are, who should be as deservedly assured in our positions as we are in ours.
unidentified
Listen, when I talk to... Are we the dummies?
lydia smith
No, we're not.
tim pool
Now I'll tell you this.
We may not be correct.
jack murphy
Very good.
tim pool
We may not be correct.
It may be that we only see the surface layer of the Giuliani FBI thing, and below the surface, it could be nuts.
For all we know, aliens are involved.
I have no idea.
Top secret.
jack murphy
I mean, true.
It was my first reaction to be like, look.
FBI, Department of Justice, a judge signed off on a warrant.
Like, we have a system in place to make sure that nothing frivolous like this happens.
So my first instinct is to be like, man, that Giuliani done effed up somehow.
tim pool
But what if aliens are holding our government hostage and told the judge he had to do it?
jack murphy
Vampire aliens.
tim pool
Vampire aliens.
Yeah.
But who can actually see themselves in mirrors.
jack murphy
Yes.
tim pool
And they can teleport.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
The point I'm making is... I'm a gorilla!
The reality, though, is that there's confidential stuff we don't know about.
I'm not saying it's justified.
I'm not saying I know what the story is.
It could very well be that Mission Impossible-like team Stole the vial of fuel from the Genesis device, and Rudy Giuliani has a laptop with the file on it and doesn't realize it.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I'm just saying, there's a lot of stuff we don't know.
So we're sitting here as informed as we can be.
We may be wrong about all of this stuff.
For all we know, Russia's secretly at war with, you know, some country and there's just a whole bunch of stuff we don't know what's going on.
But I will tell you, when I listen to these other shows, I can immediately say, they never read that story.
They never read that story.
They don't know about this conflict.
They don't know about that conflict.
You look at the stuff with Giuliani right now.
I did a segment on it for my main channel.
Do you know what the Giuliani stuff is really about?
jack murphy
It said that he was advocating on behalf of Ukraine.
tim pool
Syria.
jack murphy
Well, it's about the pipeline.
tim pool
What's going on?
jack murphy
Nord Stream 2.
tim pool
So let me tell you my thoughts.
Do you think that Joe Biden got a prosecutor fired to cover up for his son who was facing a potential corruption investigation?
jack murphy
Sounds plausible to me.
tim pool
What I think the issue for a lot of people is, if that's all you know, it sounds like that's what Joe Biden did.
However, I think there's a more obvious reason Hunter Biden was on the board of Burisma.
Gazprom controls a large portion of the natural gas coming into the European Union.
That's through Ukraine and is controlled by Russia.
So US and Western interests need energy companies loyal to the West, not Russia.
And so there's been a series of conflicts.
One, the Euromaidan protests, the separatist movement.
NATO and its allies, the West, the United States, want control of Ukraine so that they can control the flow of natural gas into Europe through these pipelines.
Russia wants Ukraine in the Trade Federation.
Separatist fights break out.
So the U.S.
goes to Syria and says, maybe we can offset this monopoly by building the Qatar-Turkey pipeline.
My personal opinion, and I'm lacking a ton of information, is that Joe Biden's intervention in the investigation into Burisma, of which there was an investigation according to Matt Taibbi, was to protect Western interests, not because the prosecutor was corrupt.
The prosecutor likely was loyal to the country of Ukraine, not the United States and European Union, and not necessarily to Russia, but An investigation into Burisma was bad for the U.S., so Biden intervenes, and his son was there, incidentally, because the U.S.
positioned key figures who are loyal to this country.
What's a guarantee?
You want someone loyal to the country, you put a former CIA director, which they did, and the son of the sitting vice president.
Now you know this company will always have your back, and you don't gotta worry about an Assad saying, nah, I'm with Russia.
That makes more sense.
Rudy Giuliani starts digging up information into what's going on, and maybe could it... I'm saying there's so much I don't know underneath the surface, but maybe what was happening was that individuals in Ukraine were giving information to Giuliani and Trump allies that would have shown the U.S.
was meddling in the national affairs of Ukraine for U.S.
and European interests, not Ukrainian interests, and if Ukrainian people find out about that, they will reject NATO because they don't want to live under a boot ever again.
jack murphy
Yes.
tim pool
My opinion.
I don't know if it's true or not because I don't have access to confidential information.
There's probably a bunch of other stories I haven't seen, but it is a long and complicated story.
jack murphy
No, that seems to make sense.
Also, Tim, by the way, you.
What an encyclopedia of information and knowledge.
Thank God you exist.
You read and retain more than most people I've ever met in my whole life.
Very impressive.
tim pool
So when we talk about these lefty podcast people who are like, dude, Shogun was not a good, he was corrupt.
And then it's like, did you read Matt Taibbi's piece on this?
No.
Why didn't you?
I don't know it existed.
All right.
Well, that's a good excuse, I suppose.
I can't blame someone for not knowing because I don't know things that, you know, there are things that exist I don't know about.
But Matt, man, did he nail this when he did his investigation and he said there was like a dozen active investigations against Burisma and this corrupt guy who flees the country.
And so to say that there was no investigation, you know, I'm gonna say this, guys, intelligence bros who are watching this show, I'm sorry, I just think you're bad at what you do.
Now, hold on, hold on.
You're probably really good at what you do by your standards and by relative standards, but I just think I can do a better job.
Like, if you wanted to actually convince people of U.S.
interests and, like, why it's important to have more energy flowing into the European Union, particularly because the European Union, one of its goals is to compete against China, because they needed European countries unified.
I mean, maybe that's the message you should have rolled with!
Instead of, it's all a lie, trust the mainstream media, and then when people catch them in lies, what do you do?
Man, these people have no- It's like, being honest is actually the best way to go about it.
Insulting the intelligence of people with garbage stories and banning someone's name from YouTube doesn't solve the problem, it makes it worse.
I kind of feel like the intelligence agencies were handed off to a bunch of young kids, the next generation of Deep State, who are like, I don't know how to run this thing!
And now it's all falling apart.
jack murphy
That happens every generation, I think, though.
I've seen it happen, especially in Wall Street and finance, where like the younger guys, they figure out new investment strategies, new asset classes, and they go all crazy.
And the risk management folks and the senior partners have no idea what they're doing.
That's where you can make some real money.
And in the intelligence industry, you know, I mean, look, it's I think it's pretty much like that in all in all industries.
But what I'm struck by here especially is how much of the Of the surface water of our foreign policy and economic policy and politics is all subterfuge.
The real things are happening below their tidal forces.
And in this case, it's about energy.
Right.
And the whole Syrian no fly zone from 2016 Clinton proposition to the, you know, people being mad at Trump for wanting to calm down tensions in Syria and calm down tensions with All this is based around pipelines.
It's all based around energy and it's a much deeper structural thing that has nothing to do with some of the surface stuff that we get distracted by.
And that's how I know we're on the right side.
Is because the left, they want a circumstance in which the people of the European Union have less access to energy, and that the people of Ukraine don't have sovereign decision over their country.
And our side wants more energy into the European Union, and for the Ukrainian people to decide their sovereignty.
tim pool
Well, no, no, I think the establishment wants more energy into the European Union.
They don't care about Ukraine.
jack murphy
The specific kind?
Well, no, they want...
unidentified
Hmm.
jack murphy
I don't know.
This again, there's more details that we need and I am certainly not an expert on this subject.
tim pool
Let me give you a hypothetical.
jack murphy
All right.
tim pool
Donald Trump.
jack murphy
I'm much better with those.
tim pool
Donald Trump comes into office and immediately Michael Flynn says China is a bigger threat.
Intelligence agencies then say, we know China is a bigger threat, but don't say it out loud because we are actively building up our resistance.
The European Union was formed partly to create a competitive economic bloc that can compete against the growth of China.
And we need, and Russia's in the way.
Russia's actually, in many ways, hates China, but also works with them.
We need to get more energy into the European Union.
Trump comes in and says, I don't care about this Ukraine stuff.
I don't care about this Syria stuff.
America first, all the way.
And then you have these intelligence agencies saying, the first thing we have to do to grow and be competitive is have more energy into Europe to grow European influence, not Chinese or Russian influence.
I know Russia is partly in Europe.
Then you get Trump pulling out of Syria, which means.
Over the past four years, Trump was stopping the establishment plan to get more energy into the European Union and to weaken Russia, which in turn would weaken China.
Trump went straight for the throat with China and then got all these peace agreements, which made it even harder for the US to operate in the Middle East to maintain control over the region.
The US isn't there because there's, you know, terror or whatever.
The fact that there's conflict between these countries is good for the U.S.
because we'd be like, oh no, we have to be there.
We have to send all these bombs to these different countries.
Egypt needs our military aid.
Trump bringing about peace?
Well, now the U.S.
is like, what's our justification to the American people and European people and Australia or whatever, our allies?
What's the justification for being in a country when Trump brings peace?
jack murphy
Justification now is we need to bring transgenderism to the women of Afghanistan.
Pakistan.
tim pool
Pakistan?
Pakistan.
So listen, I say it's hypothetical.
And the reason why, after researching the things that I've researched and talking to the journalists and reading the stories, the reason why I don't trust the establishment Is because they lie all the time and don't deserve trust.
So I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they have our best interests.
I'm going to assume that cronies within the U.S.
government took the job at Burisma because they found a path worth making a ton of money for themselves, not because they actually cared about the European Union.
And Hunter Biden took the job because, yeah, they needed someone loyal to the U.S., but they were gonna get money for doing it.
You got a bunch of people who work in government who swap between these big energy companies and these military industrial complex companies and they make money for themselves and they operate under the guise of it's all for the betterment of the country when it's not it's for the betterment of themselves.
I would defer to they're more likely trying to enrich themselves and using national interest as a cover.
They said Joe Biden's intervention in Ukraine was in the national interest.
Yeah, sure.
But what do you think Joe Biden got out of it?
His kid was getting what, like 83 grand per month?
For what?
Securing Western interests in Ukraine?
I wonder what the Ukrainian people would feel, what they would do, if that was public knowledge.
I'd imagine it'd be very, very bad for NATO.
ian crossland
He also kind of vocally said he wants to get off oil.
So for him to put his son on the board of an oil company to run a pipeline for oil.
tim pool
Isn't that something?
We're going to shut down Keystone XL and then build pipelines in Europe and Syria.
ian crossland
And my son will be on the board.
tim pool
It is a natural gas pipeline to be fair.
ian crossland
Methane.
Well, it's a mix of gases.
jack murphy
Energy independence for thee, but not for me, apparently.
ian crossland
Earlier, you said that you felt like we were on the right side.
That makes me nervous that even people like you, as brilliant as you are, think of yourself divided into a side, that there are sides that we're divided against each other.
I hate to think like that.
jack murphy
We are very clearly divided against each other.
On one hand, we've got people that believe in personal accountability and individual liberty.
On the other hand, we got people that don't.
That's a very big difference, bro.
tim pool
But I'll tell you the important thing here is we, we don't, we don't need these pipelines.
You know, Joe Biden doesn't need the pipelines.
We don't need Keystone XL either.
We don't need Syria.
If we just hooked up a turbine to the graves of the founding fathers spinning in their grave at high speed.
It would generate free and clean energy for a long time.
jack murphy
Look, it's a very powerful notion.
If you consider and reflect upon this statement, which I believe to be very true, the Founding Fathers would lose their mind if they understood exactly what we were enduring today.
And what would the Founding Fathers do today?
Are we living up to the sacrifices made by the Founding Fathers?
And if not, why not?
tim pool
Because they were a bunch of white supremacist landowners who just didn't want to pay taxes.
And is that the narrative?
jack murphy
They pay taxes to themselves.
They pay taxes locally.
They were happy to do that.
They pay tariffs and such.
They just didn't want the Parliament.
And I learned this actually recently.
Taxes to the king were seen as a gift offered by the people.
The Parliament, the House of Commons, decided we're going to offer a gift to the king.
Well, the House of Commons was deciding that these people over here in America needed to offer a gift to the king, but there was no one representing them to make that gift.
That was the basic reason that they objected to the stamp and the sugar tax in particular.
What would they do now?
What would they do now?
And then you think, well, we're kind of gross.
We almost don't deserve what they've given us.
tim pool
If the Founding Fathers were alive today with the same ideology and the same complaints, right now at this moment in their lives, they would be probably just reading a book in their cell, waiting for exercise hour in solitary, because the surveillance state would have caught them a long time ago and locked them up.
ian crossland
Thomas Jefferson might be a rock star.
This didn't exist in the 1700s.
Mass media didn't exist.
So with this technology, what would they have done?
Ben Franklin was an inventor.
You know, he'd probably be a technology guy, maybe running a social network or something.
tim pool
What's the modern equivalent of putting a key on a kite, getting struck by lightning?
jack murphy
Launching rockets into space and trying to land back on a platform.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
What if like Elon Musk just came out one day with like an extremely profound philosophical statement on, you know, liberty, justice, and government.
jack murphy
Like besides like, can't get it up.
tim pool
Besides like, if I hope there's a scandal about me, it's called the Elon gate.
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
That'd be great.
Hilarious.
But you know, it'd be an interesting thing.
It would be trying to map the founding fathers onto modern day figures.
This is, this is who Ben Franklin would be today.
This is who George Washington would be today.
tim pool
Yeah, George Washington clearly would be Joe Biden.
Just strong, strong leadership.
Silver tongue.
ian crossland
President.
jack murphy
President.
unidentified
Tall.
jack murphy
Charming.
Did you know George Washington was a failed military leader?
ian crossland
Can you explain that?
jack murphy
Up until the Revolutionary War.
ian crossland
Oh, how so?
jack murphy
Because he took expeditions out into the countryside against the Indians and out into the, you know, pushing boundaries to the West.
And he was never very successful.
He set out to, like, make his name and just never really did it.
Never really made it.
In fact, in fact, he got rejected for being a general in the British Army.
And some argue that is the reason why the United States exists, because he had a chip on his shoulder because he didn't get promoted to be a general in the British Army because he sucked as a British officer.
tim pool
Then he won.
jack murphy
And then he won.
But then again, it begs the question or raises the question who maybe someone else could have won.
Maybe the structural forces.
ian crossland
The French won.
The French destroyed the British colonies, but liberated them.
jack murphy
Thank you, France.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Thank you, France.
I don't think it's fair to say the French won.
They certainly intervened, but it was there was already war going on, you know, in Europe between Britain and France.
So it was just in their interests.
But.
It was initiated by Americans, fought by Americans, and aided by German mercenaries as well.
jack murphy
Or actually, no, no, no, the Germans were on the other side.
I let that go earlier, by the way.
George Washington crossed the river to kill the Hessians because they were drunk on Christmas.
tim pool
Right, I'm sure there's a bunch of super chats correcting me on that point because I wasn't thinking.
jack murphy
Tim, you ignorant slut.
tim pool
And after that whole bit I did about how smart I was and how, you know, it's perfect.
That's why I say there's things I don't know because it's not about If you and if you talk three hours or four hours every day, we're definitely gonna find out what you know But you know, I just realized too except you ever watch Liberty's kids.
ian crossland
No, what is it?
unidentified
You've never seen Liberty's kids For a guy that works as much as you do bro.
tim pool
You certainly consume a show from like a long time ago where it's like so I got some kids I don't know if they go back in time or something sliders No It's a cartoon where these kids are learning about the revolution and finding fathers and stuff.
And I remember an episode where they're like, oh no, the Hessians are coming or something.
So yeah, they were on the other side.
But yeah, it was a combination of conflict between different factions, right?
How about we read Super Chats?
ian crossland
Super Chats!
tim pool
We have a very serious problem, Jack.
jack murphy
What's that?
Tell me.
tim pool
We need people to smash the like button.
jack murphy
Smashing!
tim pool
However, we are down in views.
You know why?
lydia smith
I do.
tim pool
You know why?
jack murphy
Wait, today in this particular show?
tim pool
Right now, that's right.
jack murphy
Oh my god.
tim pool
Jack, it's your fault.
jack murphy
It could be that Joe Biden is addressing the nation in his first joint congressional address.
tim pool
All right.
All right.
That's it.
jack murphy
God darn it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
And not only that, Steven Crowder is doing a live stream of it.
So I just watched them.
jack murphy
Steven who?
tim pool
Crowder.
jack murphy
I'm going to have to look him up.
tim pool
Crowder.
Is he a politician?
Anyway, the point is, without our legions of loyal fans to smash the like button, I don't know what we'll do.
And I am heartbroken they have abandoned us for Joe Biden.
I'm actually kidding.
I do think it's a good thing, you know, people want to check out what he's going to say.
And normally we actually take breaks when like Trump would speak or if like there's going to be a big event.
But I think the last time Joe Biden spoke, he got like only a couple thousand people on his live stream.
And I was like, I'm not going to shut the show down because Joe Biden is going to mumble something incoherently.
It's not going to happen.
So smash the like button, go to TimCast.com, click that little members-only button, sign up, go to the members area.
We're gonna have a bonus, brutal members-only segment coming up.
Should be live about 11 p.m.
or so, and we're gonna talk about some very serious, serious stuff.
Maybe get in some trouble, but it'll be over at TimCast.com, and I got great news.
We are in rapid development on the site.
In about a month and a half or so, we're going to have a completely, again, once again, updated because we've been building it and growing it.
We are getting Stripe integration.
For those that aren't fans of PayPal, there'll be more payment options.
And we're going to be bringing on a news team doing articles.
It's going to be a whole lot of fun.
Let's read some super chats.
And thank you all for your smashing of the like button, showing that we are better than Joe Biden.
All right, I can't read your name, but here's the first Super Chat.
I love the content.
I'm a ski bum in Utah, and I thought liberty was dying.
But when I discovered your show, it gave me hope that liberalism in the classical sense will rise again.
lydia smith
That's what I'm talking about.
tim pool
And that's why you should share the show with your friends if you like it, because we live or die based on your good graces.
It's like that Simpsons Halloween special where the advertisements come to life and then they're like, how do you kill an advertisement?
Don't look at it.
And then they all turn around, but Homer can't because the guy's got a donut.
And then when he turns around, they finally all like freeze and like lose their life.
Same thing for us.
If people stop looking, then we just freeze in place.
So maybe we should offer donuts to people.
unidentified
I'm into it.
jack murphy
That's not very keto-friendly.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's true, that's fair.
tim pool
Keto-friendly.
lydia smith
Good point.
tim pool
No, they have keto doughnuts.
We got this really great keto bread once.
It was like phyllium husk or something, like mushroom bread or something like that.
lydia smith
Psyllium, yeah, fiber.
tim pool
Psyllium, is that what it's called?
lydia smith
Yeah, psyllium.
Oh, there you go.
tim pool
It's like mushroom fiber?
lydia smith
I don't think it's mushroom.
unidentified
Oh.
lydia smith
But yeah, I'll look it up.
unidentified
Weird.
lydia smith
I'll do my research.
tim pool
It's like a sponge.
Alright, let's see what we got here.
Joel Jamal says, Monday, Australian MP Craig Kelly banned on Facebook.
Tuesday, Craig Kelly proposes legislation like in Florida to protect online speech.
Wednesday, Craig Kelly loses parliamentary Facebook page, Instagram page, and Linktree account.
Collusion.
Yup.
It's the name of the game, man.
Big Dick Mark Zuckerberg is your boss.
I'll fight you naked says I wrote a piece on Medium called Letter to a Woke Heart.
I send this out so conservatives and centrists can use it to deprogram left-wing friends who are not totally infected.
You know what I found?
jack murphy
If you know any of those people.
tim pool
A lot of my friends who post these things on Facebook, when I talk to them privately, they're very timidly saying a lot of the woke talking points.
Almost like they don't really believe it.
And then when I shut it down, they stop.
So it's like, the establishment talking points, it really does feel as a lot of people who are experiencing cognitive dissonance, where in their hearts they're like, I don't like this, but they think everyone else is, you know, woke, so they have to say it.
jack murphy
I wish I had hope about that.
I have a cousin who's married and they have a few kids and I love them.
I put a lot of effort into making sure we had a relationship, that we saw each other's children, that we stayed in touch with each other.
And one day we're talking about feminism and I'm like, yeah, that's not how it works anymore.
Like explaining to her how feminism had evolved.
She was so stuck in second wave mindset.
That now they, they literally have like disowned us as family members because she can't accept the fact that feminism isn't even what she thinks it is anymore.
And she thinks because I'm anti-feminism and I'm anti-woman, which isn't the case, obviously.
tim pool
Well, that's why I just, you, you gotta, you gotta make sure you're speaking very, uh, you gotta understand the semantics.
jack murphy
I think as, I think I understand semantics.
tim pool
Well, don't say to a second wave feminist, you're anti-feminist.
To a second wave feminist, you say, I completely agree with you and, and, and your feminism, 100%.
jack murphy
I will take that under advisement.
I'm pretty sure I tried all those techniques and tactics, and it's just a little shame that politics like this, especially confusion about politics, get in the way of personal relationships.
tim pool
This is why the first thing I ask my friends who are entering the woke space is, do you believe in Dr. King's dream?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
And then when they say, yes, right.
One day, my four little children will be judged based on the content of the character, not the color of their skin.
They go, right.
And then I say, oh, okay, so how do you feel about the Democrats voting against stopping Asian discrimination?
unidentified
And then they're like, uh... Democrats good?
jack murphy
Democrats good.
You bad.
I'm out.
tim pool
That was really funny.
Ted Cruz put that amendment, like, he proposed that amendment to the hate crime bill or whatever, where it's like you can't discriminate against Asians in universities.
And the Democrats were like, nah, nah, we should be allowed to do that.
It's insane.
It's insane.
hate I guess.
jack murphy
It's insane.
tim pool
Alright, Dragon Noodle Soup Gaming says, Hey Jack, I caught your segment on Honey Badger
Radio a long time ago.
jack murphy
Good stuff.
Oh, thank you.
tim pool
Tim, you should have Brian Martinez on.
Jack and Sidney Watson have both been on the show and Aiden Paladin is a part of their
group.
That would be cool.
jack murphy
Good show.
Like that guy.
He did a reaction video to one of the times I was on here and it was quality.
So I stumbled across it because I might name search myself every once in a while.
Just occasionally.
tim pool
Turk Longwell says, Thanks, Tim.
Nice opening monologue.
Now I'm sad yet angry.
Now more angry.
I believe veterans of any age will become the leaders of us critical thinkers.
lydia smith
Agreed.
unidentified
Perhaps.
jack murphy
Where's our Cincinnatus?
That's what we need.
tim pool
Simply Gray says, how long has that water bottle been sitting next to you?
This water bottle has been sitting next to me for tonight because I grabbed it from the fridge right over there, which is full of the same water bottles, and I have a water bottle every night.
lydia smith
No, it's the same one.
tim pool
But this one's different.
This is the Ramune.
Ramune.
Japanese premium carbonated soft drink.
You ever see the fun marble drink where the marble's in the bottle?
jack murphy
You can say a lot of things about the Tim Kast crew, but you can't say that they don't provide a wide array of high quality beverages at every phase and stage of the property.
From bottled water, to fancy sugary sodas, to coconut water, to MCT Biotrust, this thing, to Japanese scotch, 12-year-old scotch that I had earlier.
ian crossland
Did you have the volcanic water?
The carbonated volcanic water?
There's all this volcanic water you can order from specific volcanoes around
unidentified
Earth.
ian crossland
That's different minerals.
jack murphy
And I want to drink some volcano.
tim pool
Would you like to drink from volcano?
unidentified
Block?
jack murphy
No blood.
Is it so hot?
tim pool
Some people are, it's important, but some people who come here are really
worked up and like anxious and like high strung.
And for that, we have booze.
Some people who come are nervous and, and, and, and really, you know, really
And for that, we have energy drinks.
And so you really got to know.
jack murphy
And so what I do is when I get here, I smash a couple of espresso drinks, a sugar-free Red Bull and about four ounces of Japanese whiskey.
And bro, I'm golden.
tim pool
And then you're just level.
jack murphy
I'm just right back where I started.
All for the drive later.
tim pool
All right, Neil Sawyer says, Hey Tim, just wanted to plug your newest channel, CastCastle.
It seems like it's going to be great, but speaking of greatness, Michael Knoll's new- Michael Knoll's new book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, is available for pre-order.
Someone tweeted to Michael Knoll's, they were like, you know, one of your guys got Tim to read a super chat that turned into a promo for his book, and he didn't- he read- he didn't notice before it was too late, and it was funny, and Michael tweeted about it.
It's great, but we do have a new channel.
It's called cast castle We have only two videos up, but we're just gonna start I've been talking about doing the vlog and I'm like we just got a film and just start doing it and plan Activities dude the RC cars flew through the air very very far we launched some RC cars at like 50 miles an hour over the garage off the ramp just Flipping through the air shoot him.
No you can't shoot bullets up.
jack murphy
Oh Is there a certain degree that you can't raise your barrel?
tim pool
Past your backstop.
jack murphy
Oh, yeah, no backstop up there, dog.
tim pool
No, it's going to come down somewhere.
jack murphy
True that.
tim pool
Now, even when you live in the middle of nowhere, there's still things and people.
You got to know where that's going.
jack murphy
True.
tim pool
Granted, there's some places where you can live, where it's probably like if you're on like an island somewhere and you're like nothing but water around for days.
But typically into your backstop into backstop.
jack murphy
So no, no firing randomly up in the air.
Well, how do you how do you hunt birds then?
tim pool
Birdshot.
jack murphy
Yeah, I suppose.
tim pool
Yeah.
Little pellets.
jack murphy
So, do we have video of the RC cars?
tim pool
Oh yeah, it's a vlog.
It's on Castcastle.
jack murphy
Castcastles.
unidentified
That's right.
jack murphy
There you go.
tim pool
Castcastle.
jack murphy
Castcastle.
tim pool
Yeah, so it's YouTube.
jack murphy
All C's, no K's.
tim pool
YouTube.com slash Castcastle.
And we might get the garage redone.
Yeah.
jack murphy
The one with the skate park in it?
tim pool
Yeah, so like getting the roof fixed so that there's more space and cleaning it.
And then I'm, I'm, I don't know how much it'll cost.
Cause you know, pole barns aren't that expensive, but even putting a deck up top
so we can do shows and have like a VIP section with like a hanger, maybe.
I mean, they're not that expensive to build.
It's literally just like sheet metal up against a wood beam.
It's just the labor you're paying for.
jack murphy
Let's do it.
Summer's coming.
Now's the time to plan.
That's right.
tim pool
That's right.
And we got probably, I think, 3 million dead stink bugs.
jack murphy
Just along the line here.
tim pool
No, no, in the, there's a part with insulation and there's just all stink bugs.
Yeah.
Cause they're just, it's, it's, it's, it's like the Manhattan of stink bug city, you know?
unidentified
Beautiful.
tim pool
Stink bug culture.
jack murphy
So pumped.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Free men die free says libertarians have always had the solution massively decentralized or even abolish it entirely.
Liberty or death.
unidentified
Man.
The price of liberty is blood.
lydia smith
That's all I'm told.
tim pool
AskDummy says 1. Thank you all. 2. Second SC macro pic.
Internet attention addiction.
Lulling us into post-truth era where liars can easily fool masses with algorithms.
Woke eyes. 3. Why no mention of 99.997 rate in young people with JRE vid today?
Honest question, fear of censorship.
Oh, so did you see Joe Rogan's getting, you know...
ian crossland
Yeah, what's up with that?
tim pool
I, I, I just...
Joe Rogan came out and he made a statement about if a young person asked him to get vaccinated, he'd say, if you're young and healthy, you know, you don't need to do it or whatever.
Then Fauci comes out, he's wrong.
And I'm like, listen, I don't want to do a video talking about CDC guidelines or anything like that, because you got to talk to your doctor.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't fault Joe for having a passive conversation and giving his opinion, but I guess we're in the era now where, you know, a comedian with a massively influential podcast with great power comes great responsibility, and I'm just like, dude, Fauci's the guy who came out and told everyone not to wear masks early on.
Now he's the guy telling people to wear two masks.
ian crossland
He should have, Rogan.
tim pool
I'm not gonna take my opinions from a TV doctor or from a podcast comedian.
I'm just gonna talk to my doctor.
You know, I've said this before.
Like, I'll go to my doctor and they'll give you some word you've never heard of.
Prozamadol.
And you're like, I don't know.
If you don't trust your doctor, I don't know what to tell you, man.
But, not an issue.
We talk about the survival rate for COVID here quite a bit.
I don't know, it just wasn't an issue for me for the most part.
jack murphy
I wish that you could just say, trust your doctor.
But I have found that a lot of doctors are really dumb.
They don't know about nutritional information.
They don't know about diet and exercise.
They don't know about all kinds of stuff.
And they don't, they're not incentivized to give you the advice that'll keep you healthy.
They're incentivized to keep you in their practice.
tim pool
The problem, I suppose, is you need to find a doctor you trust.
You go to a doctor, like you hire a plumber and just be like, so look, you probably go on Angie's list or whatever and look for a good review before you hire the plumber.
You bring the plumber out and you're like, yeah, so we got a problem.
We got a clog in the toilet.
And they'll be like, where?
It's like, I don't know, in the pipe somewhere.
There are pipes in a toilet?
You'd be like, okay, this guy's not a plumber.
jack murphy
You know what I mean?
tim pool
You go to a doctor and you ask him questions he can't answer.
Maybe you just find a doctor that you find, you know, credible and you trust.
I'm not a doctor.
Joe Rogan's not a doctor.
Fauci is a doctor, but I don't think he's practiced in a long time.
jack murphy
But the bigger question here is, at what point does a dude doing what he wants to do, talking to his friends on camera, go from just being able to say whatever he wants to actually having societal expectations placed upon him?
tim pool
Joe Rogan is the, like, the podcast.
I don't know what, you know, for a while it was the biggest podcast in the world.
I don't know if we can still say that anymore, to be completely honest, because he went exclusive with Spotify, so I'm sure that affected things.
But look, man, with great power comes great responsibility.
That's why I'm just like, talk to your doctor.
And I said in my segment, I was like, there's probably a lot of medical things I would opine on when it comes to like injuries or something.
That probably wouldn't matter.
But considering we have this major hotbed of political conflict and media ridiculousness, I just say the easiest way to diffuse all of it is, hey, talk to your doctor.
You know, it's like, we don't got to argue about it.
The TV doctor is not the person you want to be going to for advice.
ian crossland
I can see him having Fauci and another doctor on together that have like alternate views to talk about it in front of him.
But I think it's smart to not become the arbiter decision maker in this case.
tim pool
This is such a... It's just simple.
It's just talk to your doctor.
Let's read some more Super Chats.
unidentified
All right.
Yeah.
tim pool
It does feel like the Salem witchcraft trials.
Wait a second.
Hold on a second.
to McCarthyism in the Salem witch trials.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Sad days.
Indeed.
ian crossland
It does feel like a second.
jack murphy
Hold on a second.
McCarthy.
He was right.
The witch trials people were wrong.
They weren't actually witches.
But McCarthy said that Hollywood and universities were being taken over by the communists.
I think that guy was right.
In hindsight, was he not correct?
ian crossland
I think he took people out that weren't communists.
jack murphy
Okay, so some of the tactics may have been misguided, for sure.
But the general concept is that McCarthy was right.
Communists have taken over our country and they're trying to tear it apart.
He was just a visionary.
I'm talking out of my A.S.S.
a tiny bit here.
But the gist is right.
He believed the communists were taking over the country.
It was going to be bad for America.
Guess what?
Dew was right and he was right.
And here we are.
ian crossland
Interesting.
I feel like it's like Salem witchcraft.
jack murphy
Should I have saved that one for the after show?
ian crossland
That's actually an interesting idea.
I never looked at it like that before, but I think you're onto something.
jack murphy
About how he conducted himself and the things that they did may not have been done.
ian crossland
Too authoritarian.
jack murphy
I don't know the details on that for sure.
The blacklists and all that.
But I do know that he was right in his fear of communism.
tim pool
We got a good super chat here.
Chris Browse says the National Guard will become the local police.
We are under contract and cannot just walk away from the job like a civilian cop.
They can be state or federally activated.
Don't have to supply housing.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That's right, there it is.
The cops get abolished, the National Guard comes out.
Checkpoints and barbed wire fences everywhere.
ian crossland
And they don't need housing?
tim pool
And, of course, this means National Guard are people who will just blindly follow any order no matter how sick and depraved and how it violates the Constitution, right?
ian crossland
Well, hopefully not.
jack murphy
Why though?
I haven't gotten there yet, Tim.
What?
Where I just blanketly assume that anybody with a gun and a uniform in America is going to pee on the Constitution and shoot me.
unidentified
Let's say you are- I'm just too optimistic.
tim pool
Let's say you're in the military, right?
You're in the National Guard and you're standing guard.
They say, you got to stand guard here, right?
We're worried about terror attacks.
Ian's walking down the street wearing that and he's got a gun.
And your commanding officer says, stop that man now, disarm him.
Are you going to be like, no, why?
Or are you going to be like, yes, sir?
jack murphy
Now, is that a fault of that person?
tim pool
No, it's the banality of evil.
jack murphy
I see.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So the individual with a lack of knowledge doesn't understand the full context and probably can't.
You can't give a dossier on Ian, you know, to you and say, read this and then at random he'll be gone.
So do you trust your chain of command?
jack murphy
So it's not necessarily the infantry or ground soldiers fault, right?
It's the system.
tim pool
I get, I think there's no real solution to it because it's not an unlawful order to say detain someone.
Now, if we're talking about, load that person up onto a train to a concentration camp and they choose to do that, the argument then becomes, did they know where they were sending this person or were they told, detain this person?
ian crossland
And when it came to like the, uh, the trials after World War II, they really didn't take any soldiers out.
It was only the top commanders that they, that they punished.
tim pool
Well, I mean, there are there are former Nazi soldiers who are being caught and rounded up across around the world and have been for the past several decades.
Doesn't matter if you are top or not.
ian crossland
Nuremberg, I mean, they took out like Goering.
jack murphy
I mean, just just right now.
And we're going to I'm going to talk to Julie Kelly tomorrow on Jack Murphy Live on YouTube, Jack Murphy Live, that about January 6th, trespassers being held in solitary confinement due to Corona pretrial.
Yeah. Pre charges in some cases even. And this people are just
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
carrying that out without any question. I mean, you're you're
you're right.
You're right. But the system must be able to function in a way where
the people on the on the front lines get in order and they follow them.
Otherwise, it's just not that function ever.
tim pool
And therein lies the the break in the system that
you could be in the National Guard and they'll say we've got
insurrection and riots.
So we're setting up a security perimeter, protect the seat of the
Capitol.
Then you're armed, and you're standing on a street corner, and you get word that you've got an insurgent heading your way.
Take him out now, now, now!
He's dangerous, he's armed!
And then you see Ian carrying the gun, and they go, don't move, don't move!
And they shoot him, and what are they supposed to do?
Alright, send me the dossier so I have the full details, and then I'll cross-reference everything you sent me to make sure it's true.
No.
They have to follow the order.
And then what happens is, people have their constitutional rights violated.
And then, these people who serve in the military will inadvertently be part of a system, should the system go that direction.
ian crossland
That's why you don't want military as civilian, acting as civilian police, because they do have to follow orders no matter what, whereas cops have a lot more liberty with... Same problem with cops.
...discretion.
But they can at least, they don't, they're not gonna get like... Right.
tim pool
...executed for... They can walk off.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, imagine this.
You're in the National Guard and they say, we got prisoners coming in, we need you to load them up on a train, they're being transported to a prison.
You'd say, okay.
What if, would you know that they were being sent to gas chambers?
ian crossland
In modern day with social media, kind of.
Nowadays it's a little different because you can look on Twitter and be like, oh my gosh, those people that we loaded up were political prisoners?
tim pool
If it's, look, the Manhattan Project was compartmentalized and...
People didn't know what they were even building.
So if you are serving under contract and you have to follow orders, you will and you won't think twice because you don't know what the orders ultimately will lead to.
That's just the way it is.
So people will have their rights violated.
End of story.
If things keep going the way they're going, for sure.
jack murphy
Sounds like scale is the problem.
Scale is the problem.
When things become too big in scale, then...
You know, sort of unconstitutional orders or negative orders or commands can get passed through this scale and be executed, even though they may be blatantly false and wrong.
Scale is the issue.
Localism and decentralization is the antidote.
unidentified
Good for you.
tim pool
Good job, buddy.
Max says shout out to the quartering and what he did for the holiday in guy this week love him or hate him
Jeremy does good things. That is right. You saw the holiday in guy. He like had a panic attack break down
Yeah, yeah quarter raised a bunch of money. I think for him good for you. Yeah, good job, buddy
Yep bottled water says seriously Tim no BS I spent a decade in the military and have friends who do things that would make you cry.
Have me on and I will blow your mind from combat rules to things they won't acknowledge
Well, I will say We are planning a bunch of new shows. So maybe we'll have
something off youtube website only That's like, you know
Deep sit down interviews with people who have served and war stories and cop stories and a lot of stories have
unidentified
signed ndas Soldiers and stuff so that they're not the ones who can
ian crossland
will do not supposed to Oh the horror
unidentified
Bye!
tim pool
Caper to excess Tim you create straw men that invite sedition how that helps what's missing from your rants?
It only applies to Democrat communities. There is there is a big red world out there. How are they doing? I
unidentified
Don't understand. I Was confused
tim pool
Strat straw man's all I got out of there black czar says the flashpoint to expect will be over an individual
Agreed by the state's failure to manage riots and who has acted in self-defense of self who will not thereafter allow
the state to arrest Them and whose local community agrees and acts so they will
not be arrested like in V for Vendetta Where so you have the inspector?
He's telling the story of like what's what's happening and he's like and then someone will do something stupid and it
shows a little girl Wearing the mask skipping and the cop shoots her and then
everyone shows up with bats and starts beating the cop Because when people finally break down and say we don't
care anymore Kyle Rittenhouse was dangerous for the establishment
And that's why I said, I don't think the intelligence agencies have control over anything.
I think they're failing and they're bad at their jobs.
Because the Rittenhouse thing is the most incendiary thing in the country, in my opinion.
ian crossland
Well, the George Floyd thing.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
I mean, that thing.
Nope.
tim pool
It's such a threat to the exam.
Absolutely not.
When George Floyd happened, it was conservatives and Democrats united in anger.
Entirely, like 99%.
ian crossland
They ripped the system down.
tim pool
No, ready to support the state who came in and prosecuted Chauvin.
And then they celebrate the state.
They're cheering for the state.
ian crossland
Well, but they're burning buildings and cities and things.
tim pool
Right, and then when the state came in and said, and now we'll give you what you want, they went, yay, government!
But the Rittenhouse thing is ripping the factions in twain, and you're gonna have people who are like, what he did was clearly self-defense, and we all saw it, and there's no justice anymore.
ian crossland
I think the issue there is it's not gonna get much media attention.
That media attention.
tim pool
The Rittenhouse thing?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Not compared to Floyd.
Are you nuts?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Rittenhouse, according to the left... No, I'm sorry.
jack murphy
They have to kill full force and weight on Rittenhouse.
Why?
Because he's a white boy with a gun that took the law and defense of property into his own hands.
Can't be having that now, dawg.
ian crossland
So you think the media will pariah him?
jack murphy
Must.
They already have.
tim pool
Will.
They are.
The left narrative is that Kyle Rittenhouse took a gun across state lines to hunt down activists who were peacefully protesting and then brutally murdered them in cold blood.
The real story is that he was a lifeguard in Kenosha who was given a gun by one of his friends in Wisconsin and asked by the property owners to help defend the area and he rendered aid to some of the rioters who almost blew up a gas station.
And then he defended himself when he was attacked.
Dude, I wasn't there live that night, but I watched the various streams live that night.
The propagandists have a lot of power and regular people genuinely believe he's a white
supremacist who is hunting down peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters.
jack murphy
I wasn't there live that night, but I watched the various streams live that night.
Like I know that there's more information and more data, dude, but I watched every little
bit unfold.
The tensions at the gas station rise, the N-word guy who got killed, who was screaming, the white guy kept screaming N-word over and over and over again, that guy who ended up getting shot later.
I watched him run down the street, being chased, people hitting him with the skateboard, him falling down, shooting a guy who was reaching for, I mean, And then if you just, if you just donate money in support of due process, you get fired from your job.
tim pool
Yep.
jack murphy
John Adams today would be a pariah for representing the English in the Boston massacre.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
jack murphy
He did that because he believed in due process and the right to a fair trial.
He also got them off.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
He also got them off because they deserve to be right.
And so in this case, you can't even that that's American.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jack murphy
That's patriotism.
Donating $10 or $15 or $25 to a due process fund, basically a legal defense fund, for someone unconvicted of a crime, that's American.
But now, I can't remember, was it a cop or somebody?
Got fired because he donated a small amount of money to a guy to hire a lawyer to defend him for a due process.
tim pool
I think Rittenhouse is going to get life in prison.
We were talking to Andrew Branca and he was saying that, you know, it's two counts of murder so that would be life.
And do you think the jurors are going to do anything for that, for Rittenhouse?
ian crossland
Well, they shouldn't.
They should just do what's right.
tim pool
What I mean is, I'm not saying they would do him a favor.
I'm saying, do you think they would do anything that's beneficial to him?
Of course not!
They're gonna walk through the burning rubble that is Kenosha, and they're gonna go into the trial, and they're gonna be like, I don't care about the evidence, can I just say guilty and go home?
Because otherwise, they're gonna burn my house down.
ian crossland
Right.
That's why Bronco was saying they're pushing it back further and further back so that it's further away from the emotional trauma of the moment.
tim pool
Derek Chauvin was a cop who was trying to arrest someone.
And that person died.
And they went nuts.
Kyle Rittenhouse, according to the left, is a white supremacist who hunted down peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters.
Their narrative on Rittenhouse is several orders of magnitude more insane and dramatic than anything related to Derek Chauvin.
They're not just gonna throw the book at the guy.
They're going to throw the library at him.
ian crossland
I guess I would hope that it comes out in court that he's not.
He wasn't a murderer.
They didn't hunt people down.
tim pool
Did the mainstream media accurately report on the defense during the Chauvin trial?
ian crossland
I don't think so.
unidentified
They did not.
ian crossland
I didn't watch it to be honest.
tim pool
I stayed away from it.
They didn't.
So do you think the mainstream media is going to accurately report on the defense in the Rittenhouse trial?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Of course not.
There's going to be headline after headline.
Prosecution witness says Rittenhouse is a white supremacist terrorist.
And then when the defense comes out and they say, here's proof of him actually, a post he made where he opposes white supremacy, the media won't report it.
And then regular people will see this and they'll freak out and they'll demand, you know, quote-unquote justice and they'll start setting fires and the jurors are gonna be like, I just didn't want to go through the riots and the destruction again.
I was scared someone would come to my house and retaliate.
ian crossland
I think my guess is that there's way less animosity towards him than there was towards Chauvin because of, unfortunately, the color of the skin of the guy that Chauvin killed.
So I don't think there's gonna be as much hate.
tim pool
Towards that. Well, let's read some more. We got Bailey and he says I live in Alaska and currently you get paid to live
here but
Democrat and Dems disguised as Republicans have been trying to take it away
Because they're greedy and don't know how to diversify our economy outside of oil and yet demand their luxuries
jack murphy
Well, there you go. They pay you to live in Alaska, huh?
Not bad. Good to know.
unidentified
Must really suck, dude.
tim pool
Sean Murphy says, legit bat podcast and all y'all are great.
Thanks for doing what you do.
Ian's graphene dream, free the code, legit bat podcast.
unidentified
What does that mean?
ian crossland
Graphene world incoming.
Dude, you're going to have touchscreen wallpaper.
tim pool
I mean, don't they already have that?
ian crossland
Maybe, but it's going to be like spray paint.
You'll spray it on your walls and it will become a touchscreen computer.
lydia smith
Very cool.
unidentified
Do it.
jack murphy
Super chats, Tim.
Super chat me.
tim pool
Let's see what we got.
Trying to find good ones, you know?
ian crossland
I'll just start spouting off technology.
Spray paint windows.
jack murphy
We've made it through a whole episode without you saying your number one center square drinking game item.
lydia smith
No, right?
jack murphy
Are we going to make it?
We're going to make it.
ian crossland
If you're talking about the Federal Reserve.
Because it's been on my mind, I just haven't brought it up.
I mean, you want to talk about the global economic order and the real root of this problem.
jack murphy
Tim, super chat me quick.
tim pool
John Rourke says, I'm a six-year police veteran.
I love my job and don't want to have to find something else to do.
There is a move to defund San Antonio Police Department.
Vote against Proposition B on May 1st.
Fellow San Antonians.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
I don't know, I'm conflicted.
lydia smith
San Antonio isn't one of those.
tim pool
People aren't taking responsibility for their communities.
So supporting police departments at this point is to continue the track we're on,
where people just hand off responsibility to Democrats.
I'm not a fan of that anymore.
No, I've never been a fan of that.
And I think the problem is so long as police keep saying, I love my job, I don't want to leave.
Then regular people are going to be like, I don't got to do anything as a cop in this police
department.
I don't need to bear arms.
So neither do you.
Then they go and vote for Democrats and take my guns away because they won't take responsibility for their own safety and security.
So how about we don't abolish the police, but we do defund them dramatically so that we have, after someone breaks into your home or commits a crime, the police come for the administrative portion, but you're responsible for your own security and safety.
ian crossland
I've been thinking about it.
I think there's a difference between not getting involved with it and actively campaigning to have them defunded.
So I get it that, particularly with you, Tim, that you're angry with the situation.
You feel like they're being used for ill.
tim pool
But to actively... No, I think the police are supporting a corrupt system on purpose at this point.
ian crossland
Some of them, but probably not that guy that loves his job.
tim pool
It's the banality of evil.
ian crossland
It would suck to be a cop in the Empire, for sure.
tim pool
Dude, I worked for Fusion, and when they told me they were corrupt, I said, I want to leave right now.
A lucrative, very, very lucrative contract with Disney.
And I went to the president and said, why am I here?
Can I end my contract?
And they said, let's think about it.
They put me in golden handcuffs, dumped a massive bonus in my bank account, and I said, the moment you say we're done, I'm out.
I tried quitting a year into my contract because they were a crooked company.
I could have taken all that sweet, sweet money and lived in luxury in Miami like everybody else.
I don't want to do that.
And there are people right now, they're saying, but I love my job.
Oh, it was fantastic!
I had a budget where I could fly anywhere in the world whenever I wanted.
I got, they actually paid for me to go on a luxury cruise with all of these celebrities.
I got to hang out with Lady Gaga's manager, and a bunch of other crazy industry insiders, and meet these super wealthy people who are just laughing, and on this massive cruise ship, going to NASA on the Bahamas, and it was like a ten grand cruise.
I could have stayed.
I don't want to do it.
ian crossland
Not for the money.
But I don't think that guy's doing it for the money.
tim pool
I loved traveling the world and reporting on serious issues and making documentaries.
And I was in a position where they were giving me ridiculous amounts of money to do it.
And I said, I am not going to support a corrupt and broken system.
I won't.
So break my contract.
They said, no.
So I said, okay, I'm chilling.
Kept me in golden handcuffs.
And it ended and I left.
I started my own thing.
jack murphy
This is why you have to be financially independent.
It is the only way to remain mentally, emotionally, and spiritually independent as well.
tim pool
Alright, Steph, MLB says, Tim, could you cover the increasing violence at the border?
I've been following violence and have even spoken to people in cartels since living in Mexico.
Look up the case of the satanic sacrifice of American Mark Kilroy.
This needs more attention and coverage.
Timcast.com is going to be launching a newsroom, and we're going to start producing mini-docs and stuff like that, so we absolutely will be looking to send crews down to cover the stuff.
It'll be a whole lot of fun.
Alright, we'll just do a couple more Super Chats.
Gobstopper... Gobstomper Bow says, 70% of the military is right-leaning.
And as a weekend warrior myself, we have had this conversation about unlawful orders.
We have a duty to disobey unlawful orders.
FYI, the militia, 10 U.S.
Code 246.
Right.
But... stopping someone from carrying a weapon isn't necessarily an unlawful order.
Telling someone to arrest someone, not an unlawful order.
Telling someone to get into a train, not an unlawful order.
That's it.
They don't tell you, hey, will you go put this person into a death camp?
Then you'd be like, no, I won't.
Okay, they'll say, hey, this person is going to jail.
And you go, okay, fine by me.
All right, let's see, let's just do one more.
Aileen J says, hey Tim, check out the Canadian prime minister trying to pass a bill suppressing civilian speech on social media.
I will check that out.
And Bill Hughes, last one, he says, the raid on Giuliani is a move to destroy evidence.
unidentified
Interesting.
ian crossland
Yeah, that crossed my mind.
tim pool
Yeah.
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And Jack, I think you've got stuff to shout out.
jack murphy
I have got stuff going on for sure.
Tomorrow I'm interviewing Julie Kelly.
We're gonna go over the January 6th indictments, accusations, what's been happening to all the people who've been detained.
And then on Friday, I'm interviewing Joe Kent, a Congress congressional candidate from Oregon, I believe, who's got a tremendous story.
You can see all that at Jack Murphy Live on on Facebook, not YouTube.
Jack Murphy Live.
Actually, Jack Murphy Live all over Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Minds, Rumble and a few others as well.
So I'll see you there.
Thanks very much.
ian crossland
I just found out that Jack Murphy used to be a cage fighter.
jack murphy
No, no, no.
Back that up.
Muay Thai champion.
Amateur Muay Thai champion.
Two-time North American WKA kickboxing champion.
Yes.
I have trained MMA.
I have fought in a cage, but not in a sanctioned fight.
I have trained with UFC cage fighters, but not an official cage fighter.
ian crossland
Not a sanctioned cage fighter.
jack murphy
I am not taking that.
ian crossland
Just a cage fighter in my heart.
jack murphy
Yes.
ian crossland
For you.
tim pool
Stolen valor.
jack murphy
I'm not taking that stolen valor.
I got enough valor to go around.
ian crossland
It's pretty hardcore.
Hey, follow me at iancrossland.net and I am at iancrossland all over social media.
Send me a message anytime.
Hit me up on Twitter.
I love interacting with everybody.
Thank you guys for coming.
Smash the like button.
Crush it.
lydia smith
Yes, do it.
Make up the difference in viewers that we lost to Crowder.
Please do it for me, guys.
tim pool
To Biden.
They're all going to Biden.
lydia smith
No, I'm sure it wasn't because of Biden.
I'm sure it was because of Crowder.
I was right when he started.
Anyway, I'm not annoyed at all.
You can follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and help me beat Sour Patch Kids in followers.
tim pool
We will be back at timcast.com in an exclusive members-only segment.
We will see you all there.
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