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April 21, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - LeBron James Posts Photo Of Cop And Says YOU'RE NEXT w/Charlie LeDuff
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charlie leduff
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tim pool
the rides in this country have been pretty bad They've been going on for quite a long time.
There was a lull in winter, as there usually is because people don't go out when it's cold and snowy.
Now things are starting to kick up a bit earlier than they did last year and the years before.
If you've been covering riots, if you're a journalist who knows this, you know that there really is a season for when the riots come out in the summer when it's warm.
And there's also, interestingly, a season for a lot of the illegal immigration.
Interestingly, under Joe Biden, we're seeing illegal immigration come sooner, and we're also seeing the riots start sooner.
I don't necessarily know what that means, but I can tell you.
Mainstream politicians and personalities are absolutely doing everything in their power to make it worse.
We had Maxine Waters come out and say, get more confrontational.
A lot of people felt like that was jury intimidation.
Now we got LeBron James putting out a tweet saying, you're next, and posting a photo of a cop.
He deleted this, but now it's triggering, again, all sorts of controversy.
Jack Posobiec over at OAN apparently is calling for a boycott of Space Jam.
I think this story together is kind of funny to talk about because it kind of, you know, meshes into the cultural issues that are going on today.
So we're going to talk about that issue.
We're going to talk about, you know, Black Lives Matter showing up in New York threatening, strangely, a white guy protesting for Black Lives Matter, threatening another white guy.
It's kind of weird.
But we also got some big news about Gretchen Whitmer, who got busted flying to Florida.
She's also being sued over, well, in relation to What happened with these nursing homes?
A lot of people right now are really upset.
Seems like Andrew Cuomo got away with the nursing home deaths.
Well, fortunately for us, we have one of the last remaining journalists on the planet, the legendary Charlie LaDuff, hanging out in studio.
How's it going, man?
You want to introduce yourself?
No.
I would say corruption.
I want the truth.
You knew Cuomo wasn't going to get rung up.
This is just politics.
Everything's a show.
It's a cycle.
charlie leduff
I won't say corruption, I just, I want the truth.
Yeah.
You know, you knew Cuomo wasn't going to get rung up.
This is just politics. Everything's a show, it's a cycle.
unidentified
It's a cycle.
charlie leduff
Whitmer copied everything Cuomo did.
We took, oh, look, this is what we know about COVID, everybody out there.
The institutionalized elderly got wiped out.
And that's where the government is supposed to be looking out.
And if I can't get clear data from my governor, who copied the governor of New York, and we found out he was smoking the data, then yeah, we're going to court.
It's not corruption.
This is about how we all live.
You might be in an old folks home.
You might be in an old folks home.
I might be.
What about the people in there now?
What are we supposed to be doing with all these cameras?
We're supposed to be doing something that rights the community.
That gets this thing back on track.
tim pool
That's why I said you're one of the last journalists, bro.
charlie leduff
And what is this bug sitting here?
unidentified
That's a stink bug.
tim pool
You got a stink bug.
unidentified
Hippie compound you got here.
charlie leduff
Oh, this is the pet.
tim pool
So we're going to talk about all this stuff and you have a bunch of really, really famous viral reports that you've done in the past.
A lot of people are mentioning they're familiar with your work, but just hearing you talk about this stuff.
Journalists today, man, they are, what's the right word, stenographers for the state.
They just, you know, whatever the governor says is true.
The FBI comes out with a statement like, you got it.
They don't do investigation.
They don't report.
They're just stenographers.
We'll get into all this stuff.
So I'm glad to have you.
We got Ian Eastchild.
ian crossland
Yo, what up, everybody?
Ian Crossland in the house.
That Ian Crossland.
Good to be here.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
And me in the corner pushing buttons.
My boss and my guests have both been stinkbug tonight.
It's a good night for stinkbugs.
We're gonna have a great night talking about the news.
tim pool
We've started collecting the stinkbugs.
We put them in a jar and we give them to chickens.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
They love stink bugs brown marmalade. It's a marmorated marmorated stink. They come from China and they're invasive
unidentified
But they're really dopey. They like that. They are from China. I don't recognize them from my childhood
tim pool
No, yeah, they're new but they're like, they're super chill, you know
They'll like just like sit there and chill and then like to like move if you try to do something
charlie leduff
They don't freak you out like cuz I have them in my house in Michigan. They smell bad
unidentified
You know you taking a dump and there they are They were introduced to Pennsylvania in the 90s or
ian crossland
something somehow I don't know how they arrived but then they become this invasive
tim pool
Well considering this isn't the stink bug show. Let's uh, let's move on
unidentified
That's a stink bug Now you know.
tim pool
They look like little shields.
People call them shield bugs.
charlie leduff
Hold on a second.
unidentified
Let's find out if they're medicinal.
tim pool
Nah, he didn't do it.
ian crossland
If you ever see... It's a trick.
tim pool
I saw that.
unidentified
I ate that.
charlie leduff
I ate that baby.
unidentified
No, you didn't.
Alright, alright, alright.
It's almost as good as this.
That stuff's great.
No, no, no.
I'm sorry.
tim pool
It's way better.
ian crossland
It's way better.
tim pool
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ian crossland
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charlie leduff
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tim pool
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ian crossland
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ian crossland
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tim pool
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ian crossland
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charlie leduff
It tastes like a low-level sugar.
unidentified
Really?
ian crossland
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tim pool
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charlie leduff
It actually tastes good if it does all that stuff you say.
ian crossland
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tim pool
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Let's talk about what's going on with LeBron James.
This guy's causing controversy.
He tweets, then deletes, call for accountability in the shooting death of Columbus 16-year-old Micaiah Bryant.
James tweeted, then deleted a picture Wednesday afternoon of the police officer who was believed to have fatally shot Bryant, writing, your next accountability.
The problem, well, I'll read a little bit more.
They say less than 24 hours after he tweeted accountability, following former Minneapolis officer Derek Chauvin being found guilty, LeBron James turned to social media again to call for accountability in the shooting of a 16-year-old girl in a now-deleted tweet.
Ma'Khia Bryant, a young black girl, was shot and killed by a Columbus police officer Tuesday while yielding a knife and reportedly attempting to stab another female.
Brian's death has since sparked national outrage.
I gotta stop here and just give my respect to these journalists who literally have a video of the woman shoving, of the 16-year-old girl shoving a woman against the car, taking the knife and pulling it back and then thrusting forward and they say, reportedly attempting to stab.
lydia smith
Yielding.
Should be wielding.
tim pool
It says yielding?
unidentified
Yielding a knife?
Does that make sense?
charlie leduff
I thought maybe you went to public school like me and you just... Read it wrong?
Read it wrong.
tim pool
I didn't go to high school.
ian crossland
I was going to say something too.
charlie leduff
No, it says yielding.
lydia smith
Yeah, it does.
ian crossland
Did you say yielding?
tim pool
Are you implying that the author Hope Sloop from WKYC went to public school as well?
charlie leduff
Okay, well, quickly, how do you spell yielding?
tim pool
Y-I-E-L-D?
charlie leduff
Are you sure it's not Y-E-I?
tim pool
It's Y-I-E.
charlie leduff
Okay, is there any shame?
tim pool
In spelling it wrong?
charlie leduff
Yeah.
tim pool
Not really, I don't know.
lydia smith
Exactly.
ian crossland
Spelling it wrong, no, but if you write a completely different word than what you meant to write, that's a little different.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
charlie leduff
It's okay not to know nine times six, except if you're counting other people's money.
tim pool
That's right.
charlie leduff
So, when you're on the block, and you're facing that, why doesn't LeBron James shut up?
Why doesn't the media shut up?
Why doesn't the country shut up?
And why don't we move forward in a process where we're not gonna blow each other up?
tim pool
I wish, man.
charlie leduff
This is not entertainment!
This is killing us.
tim pool
Yeah.
Why is LeBron James?
You know, the problem I have is this dude, when all this China stuff is going down with Hong Kong, the NBA takes a side of China over the protesters in Hong Kong demanding freedom, liberty, respect.
So this guy now has the nerve to come out and it's just like, I don't know, man.
charlie leduff
Look, if you take out the fact that it's LeBron James, He's just another dude with Twitter.
unidentified
Right?
charlie leduff
But it is LeBron James.
And even LeBron James, if we could dial it down, he understands what he did.
tim pool
That's why I deleted it.
charlie leduff
Well, and that's... Maybe we give him some credit?
ian crossland
Yeah.
charlie leduff
Like, maybe I went too crazy there?
Maybe we should calm down.
I just, I don't want any war.
tim pool
You know what the problem is, though, man?
The reason he says things like this, I know he deleted it.
That's true.
So, fine.
Respect for deleting it.
For sure, right thing to do.
charlie leduff
Maybe he could say, you know, I went too far.
I would do it.
But I made mistakes.
tim pool
But look what's happening now in the wake of the guilty verdict for Derek Chauvin.
charlie leduff
Which was correct.
tim pool
You think the verdict was correct?
Guilty on all charges?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't think so.
charlie leduff
Well, that's cool.
tim pool
Guilty on all charges.
charlie leduff
I'm not going to hate you for it.
It looked like murder to me, dude.
tim pool
Yeah, but second-degree murder?
Like, manslaughter, I understand.
You know what I mean?
Like, I say, like, you could make an argument for manslaughter.
charlie leduff
Well, first-degree murder is premeditated.
Yeah, second- Second is, you did it, and you knew you were gonna do it.
tim pool
Or, you assaulted someone and they died.
charlie leduff
And third, manslaughter's an accident.
tim pool
Right.
charlie leduff
Okay.
tim pool
And third degree murder is like you're acting in a depraved, negligent manner that results in death.
charlie leduff
It didn't look like an accident, and it didn't look like he meant to do it when he got up in bed.
So what's in the middle?
Second degree.
If we all believe in our process, if we love this country, and those are the rules, Oh, this guy just spilled beer on the computer.
unidentified
Don't tell him it's beer!
lydia smith
It's fine.
unidentified
Everything's fine.
charlie leduff
Would it make it worse if it was water?
tim pool
Probably got to get that off the computer before you blow it up.
ian crossland
My problem with that Chauvin thing is that when it came out that he was a high when, uh, that, that, uh, what's his name was high.
Floyd was high on that.
Fentanyl and methamphetamine yeah, and that he may have died from like heart cardiac arrest that maybe the cop wasn't Responsible and we're not it not only that but that the the prosecution's own witness said that Chauvin wasn't was legally allowed to use a taser and chose not so I was questioning whether or not like I have reasonable doubt that Did did the cop being there do it or was he so stressed that he would have died on the spot?
unidentified
Anyway, I would say The second degree murder charge was the felony murder rule.
tim pool
That if you commit felony assault against somebody and they die, you get charged a second degree murder.
Derek Chauvin was convicted under the premise that his detaining of George Floyd was felony assault on George Floyd.
unidentified
Okay, see, you're too smart for me.
charlie leduff
I mean, you're really paying attention to this.
All I know is I saw a dude, and I don't know about you guys, I've had my ass beat by the police, because that's where I come from, right?
I saw a dude acting in a crazy, irrational manner.
That's usually when police show up.
But I don't expect him to be dead at the end of it.
And sometimes it does happen.
But I'm looking at nine minutes.
Of a guy crying for his mama.
Get off his neck.
And he did.
Yeah, well, he's dead.
tim pool
So, this is the thing.
I think a lot of people, like, I followed the trial.
I watched the trial.
Most people probably didn't.
Derek Chauvin's knee was not consistently on Floyd's neck.
charlie leduff
Derek, Chauvin should have spoke for himself.
ian crossland
Yeah.
charlie leduff
Like, I lost it.
I blanked out.
I have stress.
You know, you should have said something for yourself.
tim pool
Got a constitutional right to the Fifth Amendment.
charlie leduff
You absolutely do, and you decided to take that, and now...
ian crossland
I thought you said it really interesting.
tim pool
Prison.
No one's certain terms.
The only reason Chauvin was convicted is because they burned the city down.
for the rest of his life.
So it's not a life conviction, but all the years combined.
LeBron James tweeting this, right?
We have a whole bunch of left-wing activists saying in no uncertain terms,
the only reason Chauvin was convicted is because they burned the city down.
That's not justice.
charlie leduff
No, it's dumb ass to burn the city down.
tim pool
But they did.
But show figuratively like they burned down a bunch of different buildings in the city and smashed a bunch of windows.
Whenever you say they burned the city down, you get all these journalists being like, false!
Minneapolis is still a city.
It still exists.
Did we mean they burned down a bunch of buildings?
charlie leduff
Calm down.
You wanted to say, brother?
ian crossland
Yeah, you said earlier that this isn't entertainment, man.
People are treating this like reality TV, and it's destroying people.
They're forgetting that it's real life.
tim pool
No, they live on the internet, bro.
charlie leduff
That's true, right?
But there's a swath of America where it's really important, whether it be Black America or Blue America and all in between.
To some people it's really serious.
To too many of us, it's a ratings grab.
And I don't want to be that guy.
I want to be the guy that He tries to bring something, some content.
ian crossland
You used to work at the New York Times and where else?
charlie leduff
Fox.
ian crossland
And were you the kind of guy that chased ratings in the beginning of your career?
charlie leduff
I've never chased ratings.
Never.
I just figured if you did go work, it would do what it would do.
And mostly, journalism, right, doesn't get any ratings.
So you don't have to worry about it.
You can just be in the crowd with everybody.
tim pool
That all changed, though, in the past several years.
charlie leduff
Yeah, but now tell me, you might get ratings, but who's doing anything that lasts?
Look at anything we're talking about, anything we're watching.
Tell me, you out there, any of this stuff are you going to show your grandchildren?
One thing you're going to put in your drawer and go, I was alive.
ian crossland
Dude, dude, dude.
tim pool
The likelihood that any of these journalists, I'm doing air quotes, would show their grandchildren the things they've done in terms of their work is laughable.
Could you imagine an 80 year old guy being like, Come here, little Billy.
unidentified
This is when I wrote five pictures of Brad Pitt's junk.
ian crossland
I won an internet award for that one.
unidentified
Oh, Billy, Billy, Billy, Billy, Billy.
tim pool
It's gonna be in a book?
I met your grandmother when I worked at BuzzFeed.
unidentified
Here's an article she wrote where she said, Trump is literally worse than Hitler.
tim pool
I really don't think they're gonna be going to their grandkids and being proud of that stuff.
charlie leduff
I gotta say, to make it all about me, my time at the New York Times, my wife kept everything I wrote.
And she cut them, and she put them in these big, gigantic clipbooks.
So there's three of these things.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
charlie leduff
They're like for my great-grandchildren.
And then all the stuff I wrote for the New York Times was bound in a book, and they translated into Polish, and it's coming out.
tim pool
Wow.
charlie leduff
So I feel like I just wrote about, you know, nice guy Nick, and easy Eddie, and regular people, and that's the, word of the stuff.
tim pool
If you're doing, what would you call it, like human interest pieces?
charlie leduff
All of it.
You take human interest plus news and you wrap it into something that somebody wants to read and is consumable.
tim pool
This is the thing, you know, if they were writing articles where it's like, you know, Jenny's is, Genesis Bakery won an award, the community is very happy.
charlie leduff
I think that'd stink, Puck.
tim pool
Making you feel sick, huh?
If you read a story that wasn't particularly globally consequential, but it was a good story about the community and about the things going on, I think that's something you want to show your kids or your grandkids.
But these people at some of these news outlets writing about Brad Pitt's junk and like, you know, what was that one article?
It was like written by some feminist, like, what did she call it?
It was like guys with tight pants, you could see their junk.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
And it was like, look at all these guys in tight pants.
I'm like, congratulations, that journalism degree is paying off.
But here's the thing, journalism has become a ratings industry.
So they want the clicks, they want the ads.
charlie leduff
Well, necessarily so, because the underpinnings of it have disappeared.
So you've now got to give people what they want.
ian crossland
There is a responsibility of people to... Back in the day, was it like one really wealthy person would subsidize a company to study and report on anything, regardless of its popularity or click-baity?
Yes.
tim pool
It's a combination of factors.
Marketing was a big play.
So I think... Correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't know.
Yeah, definitely.
Reuters.
Do you know about the history of Reuters?
Thomson Reuters?
My understanding is that the news department was just in advertising for, like, legal documents or something.
I don't know the full history, so I'm probably getting it wrong.
But I've been to their headquarters a couple times.
My understanding was that they have a private business and the news outlet advertised their business.
So that was a big thing.
These newspapers would sell ads in the papers, they'd sell the paper itself.
So if you're selling the paper, you're covering your costs, you're selling ads, you're making more money, and the only place to get media was in these papers, then you want to sell as many papers as possible.
When you're competing with only a small handful of, you know, very powerful and big newspapers in a major city, you've got to make sure you're reaching a certain number of people.
So for a period, news outlets were trying to hit the lowest common denominator.
That meant the news coverage was always fairly close to the middle because they didn't want to offend the left, they didn't want to offend the right.
So they had to keep it fairly balanced if they wanted to maximize the amount of views they were going to get.
Nowadays, you have infinite choices.
You go online, you can get your news from anybody.
Sure, yeah.
So now everyone's like, screw it, let's just go... Give me what I want.
There are investors who will invest in a company that does nothing but crazy far leftist stuff, crazy far right wing stuff, and they're like, I got my finger in both outlets so I'm making money.
charlie leduff
Silos.
tim pool
Right, exactly, exactly.
charlie leduff
You know what I know about Reuters?
When they built the new Reuters building in Times Square, I was there soup to nuts and I did a series of stories on the iron workers, the guys that lay the steel.
And the Mohawk Indians have been building the skyscrapers in New York since 1900.
Wow, really?
And there's a whole There's a whole genre about them.
And I took it to them and I said, do you know these guys?
Well, that was my grandpa.
unidentified
Cool.
charlie leduff
Well, that was my uncle.
What happened to him?
He fell and he died.
unidentified
And I wrote the next chapter in that.
charlie leduff
So I don't know about Reuters, but I know that I captured the Mohawk Indians in the next generation.
And that's what I like to do.
tim pool
You know, I think one of the problems with news is It doesn't need to be the biggest story that's gonna change the world, where you're gonna win, you're gonna be put up on stage, and everyone's gonna cheer for you and clap.
It just has to be good stories.
Stories that are important for a variety of reasons.
Sometimes they're stories that are uplifting and inspire people.
Sometimes they're calling out bad behavior from politicians, exposing corruption.
Too much of the journalism we have today, you can't even call it journalism, it's tabloid trash, it's, you know, listicles.
charlie leduff
That's why they're coming here.
They'd like to be talked to.
Somebody be straight with me.
I'm sure.
tim pool
Definitely.
charlie leduff
These hundreds of thousands of people that listen, they don't agree with everything you're saying.
tim pool
No, mostly, like, it was funny, we had Will Chamberlain here.
charlie leduff
You had Will Chamberlain here?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not Wilt Chamberlain.
ian crossland
Not the stilt.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Will Chamberlain.
unidentified
Oh, Will.
tim pool
The conservative.
He runs humanevents.com.
unidentified
He ain't no Will Chamberlain, I'll tell you that right now.
tim pool
We disagreed, and everybody in the Super Chats are like, Tim, you're wrong.
Tim, you're wrong.
Tim, you're wrong.
Will's right.
But I guess so long as... You know, I'll tell you something that people like.
When you brought up your position on Derek Chauvin, and then I presented a counterpoint, you said, well, you know more than I do.
That's the kind of attitude people expect from a, what journalists are supposed to have.
That if you have an opinion on something, you're willing to say, okay, well, I'll learn more about it, and correct me if I'm wrong.
unidentified
Who are you calling a journalist?
charlie leduff
I'm a reporter, bro.
Reporter.
tim pool
Honest guy, how about that?
charlie leduff
You wanna know the difference?
tim pool
Honest guy, how about that?
What's the difference?
charlie leduff
I do my best, but the difference between a journalist and a reporter is a journalist went to Ivy League.
unidentified
No, I'm just, I know I'm gonna get that BS from.
charlie leduff
A journalist can type without looking.
Reporters do it with fingers.
A reporter drinks with the public in public.
And a journalist drinks in private with the public official.
tim pool
That's what they do?
unidentified
This whole thing about journalism.
charlie leduff
You're a reporter.
That's all you are.
tim pool
Yeah, but these people over at CNN, they're the ones sitting there.
charlie leduff
Oh, those guys.
tim pool
I mean, look at Cuomo's brother is Cuomo on CNN.
charlie leduff
Fredo?
unidentified
Fredo?
charlie leduff
What a phony!
unidentified
Dude!
charlie leduff
I've been in the basement!
unidentified
I'm coming out!
I'm coming up!
I've been in the basement!
You were found in the Hamptons on your bicycle!
Your brother's writing a book and throwing old people in the nursing homes who infect other old people!
Garbage!
That's what we don't need!
Sorry, that's my... I 100% agree with everything you just did.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
But that's the point.
These are journalists.
They complain every day about the insults and the threats against journalists when they're literally the brothers of corrupt government officials who do bits with giant Q-tips instead of actually telling the people, and they lie about having COVID.
charlie leduff
Did you ever, Chris, me, you, I've never seen you on the block.
You're a rich kid.
I never saw you do any reporting.
Did you ever go to a nursing home?
Because I went to the nursing homes and I picked up the dead bodies with the body collector to get a look at the nursing homes.
Did you?
I mean, you're not the moralizer, dude.
unidentified
I don't know who you are.
charlie leduff
I didn't grow up with you.
I didn't!
tim pool
No, he's the guy who covered it up.
charlie leduff
Oh, come on, man!
And I got... It's not political.
It's fake theater, and we don't need it.
Do some work.
If you got the work, I'll believe you.
If you can present it with some pizzazz, then I like you.
tim pool
You are preaching to the choir?
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
And they're all cheering for what you're saying.
The media industry in this country is just a bunch of people who are, like I said, what stenographers for the state are.
charlie leduff
You got to pay.
You know, if you don't pay, then you're not going to get the highest quality.
Because to Defend the current reporter.
They got him doing 18 things a day.
You know, you are a stenographer.
The governor said this.
You don't even got time to check out what the governor said was right.
tim pool
Yeah.
charlie leduff
You're just pushing it.
I'm against it.
tim pool
But you do have to assume anything Trump would say was wrong.
charlie leduff
Yeah, that was the other thing.
Trump's a mess, for sure.
Trump's a mess, but there's some things he did That we're correct.
Like, the vaccine's here.
tim pool
But how about, how about, for some reason the media always said he was wrong?
Like, come on, a broken clock is right twice a day.
If you're saying he's wrong all the time, we've got problems.
charlie leduff
Well, the majority of the media did.
The ones wearing the blue jacket, right?
tim pool
Yep, that's right.
charlie leduff
And then the ones wearing the red jacket said he could do no wrong.
What about us?
Who wear the vests.
We're just here in the middle.
They're trying to get along, but they're gone, bro.
tim pool
It's like... No, no.
charlie leduff
It's the audience and it's us.
tim pool
Yeah?
charlie leduff
We're not gone.
tim pool
That's true.
charlie leduff
We're not.
We just want something.
tim pool
I'll put it this way.
The guys in the red jackets, you know, they work for smaller and much less ubiquitous news outlets.
They're not the prominent mainstream corporate media in this country.
unidentified
What?
charlie leduff
What are you talking about?
Fox News?
tim pool
Fox News is one channel.
You've got CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, HLN... I didn't say it wasn't... Everybody knows that... They're mainstream media for sure.
charlie leduff
But reporters are mainly liberal, that's true.
I know, I worked at the New York Times.
tim pool
But I'm agreeing with you.
charlie leduff
I voted for Obama twice.
tim pool
What I'm saying is... And Ronald Reagan.
You have much fewer of the guys in the red jackets than the guys in the blue jackets.
charlie leduff
Yeah, but here's the thing.
How about we take off the jackets and just do what's supposed to be done?
Sometimes the guy in the red jacket's wrong, and you're wearing a red jacket.
That's right.
You're supposed to be wearing a non-collared shirt when you're doing what we're doing.
You're just regular?
Well, now you gotta call it as you see it, based in fact.
tim pool
But check this out.
You got people like Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, and Michael Tracy.
Are you familiar with those guys?
charlie leduff
Matt's a friend of mine.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
Those are the legit guys that are wearing the vests.
There's very few people actually doing journalism, but they're the guys who'll come out and say something like, you know, Trump was right about this, that, and this, but wrong about all these other things, and Trump's got attitude problems.
charlie leduff
As it should be done.
tim pool
But why is it when you go to the New York Times, you go to CNN, they're wearing the blue jackets?
Look, I get it.
charlie leduff
I'm not answering for him.
tim pool
If Fox News is wearing red jackets.
ian crossland
How conspiratorial do we get?
tim pool
No, no.
It's not conspiracy.
charlie leduff
It's money.
We're trying to guess who they are, you know?
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
charlie leduff
You were at Ground Zero as a security guard.
And I was at Ground Zero as a reporter.
And somewhere in there is the story.
Not so much.
unidentified
You know, the city councilman today said that there's smoke from ground zero.
ian crossland
No, there was rivers of molten steel for months after the building came down underneath the pile.
Just molten steel flowing for months.
charlie leduff
Remember that?
ian crossland
I want some physics behind that.
charlie leduff
Did you ever see a doorknob?
Did you ever see a urinal?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
They were vaporized.
charlie leduff
Not to hijack your show.
It means a lot to me.
Oh, if I might, not to hijack your show.
No, if you, it means a lot to me, I'm older.
It's the 20 year anniversary of nine 11.
And if you could maybe throughout the summer, think about it, read some about,
remember some of the names that would be cool because we're going to get it for
We're going to get it for one day, the big ribbon cutting and parade and speech and it's so much more than that.
It's all of us regular people.
That was our day.
Those who died, the secretaries, and those that came to pick them up.
The firemen, the cops, the regular dudes with long hair, just guys from Queens trying to do right.
Remember that.
tim pool
Now think about this.
Somebody today who's 26 years old doesn't remember any of it.
charlie leduff
No, I know.
tim pool
They were a little kid.
charlie leduff
That's cool.
tim pool
But now they're reporters for these news outlets.
They don't get it.
They don't understand.
charlie leduff
You know what they do?
That's funny.
They compare COVID to 9-11.
COVID's a natural occurrence.
unidentified
Until we find out about the Chinese lab.
charlie leduff
9-11 was mass murder.
And then it launched a bunch of bad stuff and a bunch of bad mistakes and we're still in Afghanistan.
That is a whole different deal.
So remember young people.
tim pool
So this is one of the big issues affecting journalism today.
And people are starting to finally get it.
I'm wondering, we had this lefty guy on the show.
charlie leduff
What's his name?
tim pool
Vosh.
charlie leduff
Is he alright?
tim pool
I think.
Well, I completely disagree with a lot of his opinions.
unidentified
Did he have a tail?
Did what?
Did he have a tail?
tim pool
No, no, he's a normal guy.
charlie leduff
He was a normal guy.
Yeah.
unidentified
He's good.
He's good.
tim pool
We had a long, long argument.
And I think one of the important things that came up was like when I would reference Occupy Wall Street, he was like, oh, I was a teenager.
I don't remember any of that.
charlie leduff
That was brilliant, by the way.
tim pool
What was?
charlie leduff
Occupy Wall Street.
tim pool
Oh yeah, so look, I'm down there and I'm in my 20s.
unidentified
Brilliant coverage.
tim pool
I remember all this stuff.
He was a teenager who wasn't paying attention to politics.
So what happens when you get somebody who doesn't understand the financial crisis, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, 9-11, and now their prominent media personality is influencing more young people, it's no surprise you have a lot of young people who have a particular political persuasion and they're all kind of in agreement with each other around the same age.
Because they don't remember the same things we remember.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
They don't remember what Joe Biden did or Barack Obama did during those years.
charlie leduff
No offense to them.
tim pool
So when I, right, right.
So when I'm like, here's what I don't like Joe Biden and I'll reference maybe like the
extra extra judicial assassinations that Obama carried out.
I mean, the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki is two very prominent,
notable instances.
They don't remember that.
They were like, I was 13, I have no idea what that is.
ian crossland
One of the most important parts is witnessing the militarization of the United States after 9-11.
Like, 1998, we were not a military age.
tim pool
Dude, dude.
You could go into an airport.
You could stand at the gate and wait for your family to come out.
ian crossland
And we weren't at war.
It was crazy, dude.
And then after 2002, now, I think they can drone bomb any American citizen at any time with the Patriot Act, legally.
Yeah, it's insanity.
tim pool
It's called extrajudicial assassination.
charlie leduff
There will be no Che Guevara anymore.
There won't.
That revolution business is over.
It is.
unidentified
Because we have drones.
charlie leduff
We got all facial recognition.
So you can go downtown and burn stuff up.
You can go to the Capitol And you can do that baboonery at the Capitol, but it's not getting us anywhere.
tim pool
Don't do those things, but I think to your point, We saw a year of people going and burning down buildings across this country.
charlie leduff
And tearing up the Capitol.
tim pool
But tearing up the Capitol, those people have the FBI putting up billboards, the FBI saying, find out who they are.
They're going through facial recognition.
They're finding each and every single person.
charlie leduff
Because that's the Capitol.
tim pool
That's right.
charlie leduff
That's different.
Gucci store is different to me than the Capitol.
tim pool
Well, no, but they firebombed federal buildings.
Well, I like Portland.
I do.
charlie leduff
I really like it a lot.
My kind of people.
tim pool
I know they got a few few they cut him loose the prosecutor in Portland caught off
I think it was like four felony charges for for firebombing I don't know the specific charges, but something related to
that one one was one was felony assault on an officer So these people they caught they arrested they charged and
then as soon as Biden got in the prosecutor was like alright
charlie leduff
You're free to go. Well. I like Portland. I do I really like a lot my kind of people, but if this is what you're
unidentified
Wanting beware that's my attitude I'm like, I don't know.
tim pool
I don't live in Portland.
So at this point, you know, I can, I can complain about the double standard for sure.
We all can.
If they're, if they're only going after one group of people and they're ignoring other group of people, it's like, we got to have equality under the law.
But I'll tell you this right now, my attitude on the police at this point, if people voted for abolishing the police, And all of our arguments fell flat.
charlie leduff
Nobody's doing that.
tim pool
Minneapolis did.
charlie leduff
It's more Tweety stuff.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
Minneapolis literally voted to abolish the police.
When was that?
lydia smith
City Council?
tim pool
Fall of last year.
charlie leduff
Yeah, then they backed off it.
tim pool
But they already lost a bunch of the officers.
charlie leduff
I know.
tim pool
Then they started dumping money to try and get them back.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
Now they're arresting and charging the cops.
You see the Kim Potter thing, right?
charlie leduff
Why'd he get a name drop?
tim pool
Kim Potter?
Shout out to Kim Potter.
You know the shooting with Dante, right?
Yes.
charlie leduff
Oh yes, yes.
There's so many of them.
The taser.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
So let's go through this real quick, real quick.
This guy's wanted for aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon.
That's what aggravated robbery is, right?
He had a Ruger .45.
He gets pulled over.
charlie leduff
Yeah, he's got a warrant on it because he was carrying a piece.
tim pool
No, he had a warrant for robbing a woman at gunpoint.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So now, they also had a misdemeanor, a gross misdemeanor warrant for his gun.
charlie leduff
So the question is, once again, there's a warrant out for him robbing somebody with a weapon.
So what, he made bail?
unidentified
No.
He skipped the... So he made bail?
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
He threatened this woman, and then he fled.
She called the police.
They issued a warrant for his arrest.
charlie leduff
Okay.
tim pool
He skipped bail on the gun charge.
So he didn't- I don't think he realized- So he never was bailed, he was- Right, he was never arrested in the first place.
He had a warrant for that crime.
charlie leduff
There was a warrant, okay.
tim pool
So, he gets pulled over and I think he didn't realize.
So when they were like, get out of the car, he says, for what?
According to his mom.
They get him out of the car, they cuff him, and then he starts resisting.
He pulls off, dives into the car, and then they're wrestling with him, and then the cop, Kim Potter, says, Taser, Taser, Taser!
She's holding her gun, though, the cop moves, she fires one shot into Dante Wright, he drives off, the bullet kills him, he crashes, he dies.
Is it justified to use deadly force against somebody who's wanted for an aggravated robbery charge, who was previously known to be in possession of a Ruger .45, who resists arrest, jumps into their car, and starts reaching for something or doing something out of sight?
Should the officer then defend themselves and the lives of others?
charlie leduff
You want me to play God here?
Again, that's why we have a process.
Now, I've got the basics and I saw some video.
I can't be that guy.
I will tell you what I do know about life.
I know that a cop pulls him over and says he's wanted on a gun charge.
So immediately they think he's got some proclivity, maybe to be on the lookout.
They're talking they want to arrest him, he dives in a car.
Immediately, well I'm leaning, immediately The cop's already on high alert.
I don't know what you're reaching for.
Who the hell dives into a car?
I don't dive into a car.
I get pulled over.
I'm not the darkest guy.
My hands are here.
I know what's going on in America.
I don't dive in a car.
I know cops repetitively pull their firearm.
They don't pull taser.
They don't practice that much with taser.
But again, it tells me, maybe, sitting on my couch, she's not the most seasoned person on the street.
See what I'm saying?
I don't want to burn and I don't want to fight.
But I will.
tim pool
So here's the issue.
There's no easy answer to these things.
charlie leduff
So why are we trying to get one?
Why are we doing that?
tim pool
In what way would you mean?
charlie leduff
Like, so what do I think of it?
I think it's confusing and we gotta let it, it was right next to, you know, Minneapolis where the trial's going on.
So it's just, it's high alert.
tim pool
We can't hold on.
The point is, so long as they keep burning cities down.
charlie leduff
Nothing burned though this time.
Nothing burned.
tim pool
They smashed.
They smashed.
a bunch of windows, they smashed, and one of the jurors in the Chauvin trial lived there,
and they had to drive through a city full of boarded up windows.
Maxine Waters said, if we don't get our conviction, and they weren't sequestered for that.
So listen, how are we supposed to have the law enforced?
If you got some guy who threatens a woman at gunpoint for $800 cash, and then should the cops go and arrest this person?
I'm not asking you, I'm saying rhetorically.
My position is, well, yeah, we can't have people going around doing that.
If the person then resists arrest and jumps into their car, should the officer then just submit and be like, oh, I might get shot, I guess?
unidentified
It's probably getting that way, isn't it?
tim pool
That's my point.
So at this point, I think the only reasonable solution for cops and for the people in cities is to leave.
Because if you live in an area where this kind of stuff is happening, between riots... Look, if you think cops killing people is a problem, and the cops are now going to get arrested in any instance where there's a police-involved shooting... Like, so going back real quick to the LeBron James thing.
This 16-year-old girl who got shot was literally pulling the knife back, ready to shoot, or ready to stab somebody.
And the cop shot her in defense of another woman.
And the people there immediately got mad at the cop and called him a murderer.
I don't see how you could be a smart person and think staying on the job makes sense when everybody wants you to leave.
Regardless of whether or not you or I or anyone thinks it's right or wrong, cops probably shouldn't be doing any of it.
If people say you're a murderer for trying to arrest someone for aggravated robbery, maybe you should stop doing that because the court of public opinion is clearly not on your side and you're going to go to prison.
charlie leduff
I will say two things.
LeBron James was wrong.
He knew he was wrong.
And I'm gonna cut him some break here.
So the man can grow.
Because again, I don't want to fight more than we already are.
Two, we do have a problem with police.
It's not a majority of police.
We have a problem.
We gotta fix it.
Then I'll say this.
I know the measurements, but half of all people that die at the hands of cops are white.
tim pool
It's like 61% I think, isn't it?
I could be wrong.
charlie leduff
60% of the country is white, 20% is Latino, and 12% is black.
50% of the deaths by cops are white, 20% of the deaths of Latinos, and 30% are black.
is Latino and 12% is black. 50% of the deaths by cops are white. 20% of the deaths of Latinos
and 30% are black. So the Latinos are dropped by their proportion,
the whites almost, and the blacks two and a half times more.
tim pool
There's a lot underlying that.
It's a problem.
charlie leduff
I would submit this to you.
What kind of Latino people?
What kind of white people?
It's a class issue.
unidentified
Yes, it is.
tim pool
Completely agree.
charlie leduff
Studies show you, the less bread you got, the more rowdy you are.
If you're from my corner of the world, that's what we do.
We party.
When you get loud and rowdy, the police show up.
I'm not diminishing a traffic stop, and I'm not diminishing what happened with George Floyd.
Oh, no, no, that's murder.
I said it.
Straight up.
I think Chauvin got what he deserved.
But if we could come together, because remember the rednecks at the Capitol?
What were they doing?
unidentified
F the police, pig!
Right?
charlie leduff
They really showed what they thought about law enforcement.
tim pool
But you know why that was?
charlie leduff
I don't, I wasn't there.
tim pool
Well, so we have this year of lockdowns, where small businesses have cops show up, barricade the doors, arrest people, beat people, arrest families for violating COVID restrictions.
And then you started seeing these conservatives, these right-wing individuals, throwing the Blue Lives Matter flag in the dirt, stepping on it.
charlie leduff
Are those conservatives?
tim pool
Yes.
charlie leduff
Oh, no, no, those weren't.
tim pool
Yep, they were.
unidentified
Those were A-holes, dude.
Really?
Like I was locked up and I'm angry?
charlie leduff
Well, are we asking people to have some personal responsibility and aren't they included?
Oh, no way!
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, man.
When they shut down... Maybe I'm a misunderstanding.
When they locked down churches and sent the cops in New York to go arrest Jewish people and weld only the Jewish parts shut... Another problem!
You got people coming out saying the cops were disproportionately enforcing unconstitutional restrictions.
And even when you get the courts telling Cuomo, telling Whitmer, telling Wolf and PA to stop doing this, they would say, I'll just do a new executive order.
You can't stop me.
So at a certain point, the people on the right were like, yo, cops, why are you enforcing what the courts have already said no to?
And so they started throwing the Blue Lives Matter flags in the dirt.
Then when it comes down to January 6th, these people have no respect for cops.
They don't care.
charlie leduff
Well, you know, because I know a lot of cops.
unidentified
Cops treated me well during COVID.
charlie leduff
Cops went to work.
In fact, here's where it's at, as I see it, as a reporter and as a man and a citizen.
The only government that even responds to you anymore in this country is the police or the paramedic or the firefighter.
Do me a favor right now.
Everybody call your congressperson.
See if you get a call back.
Call your mayor.
Call your city council person.
They only come calling on election season.
So we've asked the people, I don't know where you're from, but of my class, The paramedics, the cops, the firemen, to do all the work of the government, which is of the high class, and they don't answer us.
They just send factories overseas, right?
They give their nieces jobs, and we're over here with our pants around our ankles, our restaurants are closed, and you can't explain, you're coming into my shul, you're not letting me go to my mass, And you don't understand?
The problem, amongst other things, race is a problem, everybody knows that.
It's green!
There ain't no green in this country, and we're faking the green now.
ian crossland
That's a whole other worm, Ken.
I mean, talking about the inflation, the mass inflation by a bank, by the Federal Reserve.
tim pool
Ah, he said it!
ian crossland
No oversight.
Everyone take a drink.
No, just kidding.
Drink responsibly.
And how that's devaluing our currency, creating more poverty, more class diversity, more stress that's causing, could lead to more unrest.
Oh snap.
people there's no oversight that's in that that I think is the real I got I
tim pool
got it I got to just just call out personal responsibility like if there
are cops who wanted to enforce it look if you got people on the right and
they're saying we don't agree oh there he goes Oh if you got David Koresh never did it like this you got
So we have Wetzel of Energy drinks.
So if you got people on the right, and they're saying, we don't want the cops to enforce what the community opposes, and the cops say, we don't care.
If there's people who are like, we just want to cut hair, and the cops show up to a small town in Michigan and arrest some dude, or give him a fine because he was given haircuts.
charlie leduff
Yeah, the barber of Owasso.
tim pool
That's right.
You got people on the right saying, stop doing this.
The cops say, shut up, we don't care.
Then why would these people keep supporting the police?
You got a First Amendment right to peaceably assemble.
charlie leduff
Let me put it this way.
tim pool
And to speak.
charlie leduff
Let me put it this way.
In Detroit, my capital city, it's the spiritual capital city.
It's the biggest city in Michigan.
I know Lansing's the capital, but Detroit is the capital.
A cop that starts that job.
Ready?
Drumroll.
You got it.
unidentified
$38,000.
charlie leduff
Wow.
America's most violent city.
unidentified
$38,000.
tim pool
Who in their right mind would do that?
charlie leduff
We defunded the police in Detroit when we did the bankruptcy.
We took their salary.
We took a piece of their pension.
We took their medical when they retired.
So, if you want good police, you gotta pay.
And we need police.
You need high caliber people.
You need to pay for mental health for them.
lydia smith
Yes.
charlie leduff
Do they go see me?
Does any community around here require the police to go see a counselor?
Just get it off your chest.
lydia smith
It's hard.
charlie leduff
Benefits.
We don't have anything.
Get used to it.
Watch.
I suspect things are gonna get worse.
tim pool
Something like 260 police departments got defunded last year.
charlie leduff
Or less funded.
tim pool
Completely removed, yeah.
Completely removed. Yeah, well, no no port like defunded meaning that they were taking portions of their budget away
like NYPD I think like a billion like like 20 something percent of
their budget. Yeah, this was predominantly progressives calling for defunding the police
charlie leduff
Maybe it's because we don't have tax revenue Could it be a sleight of hand?
We're playing the political game, and yet we're broke?
Look at the federal government.
ian crossland
Where's it putting that money?
charlie leduff
What did we just print in the last year?
ian crossland
Why is there such a thing as a black budget?
charlie leduff
$8 trillion or something?
40% of all currency out there was made in the last year.
tim pool
The charts look insane.
charlie leduff
We must not be depressed.
We must be educated and right on, and we must figure out a way To respect each other, come together.
I know this sounds like a sermon, but I do believe that good reporting can give a good reflection of what's happening to us.
tim pool
How do you deal with a multi-billion dollar news industry that makes their money off inflaming tensions between political faction, between classes, between races?
charlie leduff
I left.
I don't know what you're doing.
tim pool
I left, yeah.
We started our own thing.
charlie leduff
I guess that's what you do.
No BS News Hour.
No BS News Hour.
ian crossland
That's your show?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I guess that's what you gotta do.
charlie leduff
You gotta get away from it.
unidentified
Thanks for the plug.
tim pool
Oh yeah, we'll shout it out much more too.
ian crossland
That's a good way.
Become an example of another option.
tim pool
You wanna go?
Run a John real quick?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Go to it to it.
We'll talk about we'll talk about Jack Posobiec in Space Jam.
charlie leduff
I might sneak a cigarette with your hippies down there.
ian crossland
Shout out to Jack Posobiec who turned me on to putting coffee, peanut butter powder in my coffee.
lydia smith
Brilliant.
unidentified
Thanks Jack.
tim pool
Peanut butter powder?
ian crossland
Yeah, we got that peanut butter powder, a scoop of that.
tim pool
Alright ladies and gentlemen, we got the story on Jack Posobiec.
Thanks, Pozo.
I don't know if he's serious, which is funny.
ian crossland
I think he's joking.
tim pool
But I love how these tweets just end up getting news coverage.
unidentified
So, Peace Promoter Pozo is his name.
tim pool
Boycott Space Jam.
LeBron threatens police.
Alright.
The call to boycott the film comes after James posted a photo of a cop on Twitter.
He captioned the photo writing, James did delete his tweet.
As Pacific points out, he writes, The photos of Officer Nicholas Reardon, this we get.
All right, okay.
Space Jam, a new legacy, is being distributed by AT&T and Warner Brothers, blah blah blah.
Do plan on taking up Posobek's call and boycotting Space Jam, a new legacy, after LeBron James threatened a Columbus police officer who prevented a stabbing.
lydia smith
I'm assuming they meant to say, do you plan to.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I just read the articles as they're presented.
ian crossland
She is copy editing.
lydia smith
Yeah, seriously.
Give me a break.
tim pool
I didn't even know there was a Space Jam happening.
ian crossland
This is the first I've heard of it.
tim pool
I don't want to watch it anyway.
ian crossland
What is it, a remake?
tim pool
Wait, hold on.
I'm going to pretend I want to watch it and say I'm boycotting it.
lydia smith
There you go.
tim pool
I do want to watch Space Jam.
I love the OG Space Jam.
ian crossland
I'm a huge fan of it, actually.
unidentified
Actually, yeah.
tim pool
No, I had no plan on watching this.
lydia smith
Fun show.
ian crossland
Okay, I'm not going to watch it.
I wouldn't have watched it.
I'm not gonna watch it.
Although, I think a boycott.
charlie leduff
I'm back.
tim pool
Big fan of Space Jam.
charlie leduff
I didn't wash my hands.
That was so fast.
lydia smith
Quick, speed is of the essence.
charlie leduff
Just protect us.
tim pool
Are you a Space Jam fan?
charlie leduff
No, man.
ian crossland
Did you see the first one?
charlie leduff
Michael Jordan and Bugs Bunny?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, come on.
charlie leduff
Grow up.
lydia smith
That's silly, yeah.
ian crossland
So were they remaking the original?
charlie leduff
Oh, that's right.
unidentified
You were children when that came out.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was good for us.
charlie leduff
Of course you loved it.
tim pool
When this came out and they had the Burger King cups or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What was it?
They had like the glass jar of jam.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was fun.
tim pool
And I was so excited to go see that in the movies, man.
unidentified
I think I was like 40 years old.
lydia smith
Yeah, I was like, what year did that come out?
tim pool
Nah, you must have been 93 or something.
I was like 94.
ian crossland
I was just at the age where I could realize it was like really cheap propaganda.
unidentified
It just seemed like propaganda.
ian crossland
They were using a basketball player to sell a product.
What product?
A movie.
He wasn't a good actor, Michael Jordan.
tim pool
You're saying that they put him in a movie for the sake of selling tickets to a movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
charlie leduff
But I thought it was kind of cool that they took sort of like the Mary Poppins Yeah.
unidentified
I liked it.
charlie leduff
it back with Michael Jordan. You take animation and real people, because that's not really
unidentified
Yeah.
who framed Roger Rabbit was in that.
ian crossland
I liked it. That was a good movie. At least one I remember that being a good movie.
charlie leduff
Exactly. So they reinvented a genre. So this one is just a...
unidentified
Just dominant.
charlie leduff
How much money you need?
ian crossland
It was really high budget too.
tim pool
You know what this is for?
They're trying to target people, like, between my age and Ian's age, who have kids, who are gonna be like, I remember Space Jam!
I wanna take my kids to see Space Jam!
This is an example of cultural decay.
unidentified
Heavy... Hold on, hold on, hear me out.
charlie leduff
Here come the Visigoths!
tim pool
Name a Christmas song.
ian crossland
How old is that?
unidentified
How old is that song?
tim pool
Give me a more modern Christmas song.
charlie leduff
What year was that song?
tim pool
Give me a more modern Christmas song. Um, I'm dream. What year was that song?
unidentified
Let me finish Christmas 1945 yeah, you try another more modern Christmas song. Oh
Santa got run over by rain. Hey, what year was Hey, what year was that song?
60s.
tim pool
So how come?
unidentified
I can keep going.
tim pool
I think the most modern I can think of is All I Want for Christmas is You by Mariah Carey.
charlie leduff
I was getting there!
tim pool
Every song is from the 50s, from the 60s.
Really, really old.
We're not writing new music.
Our movies are regurgitations.
It's not changing.
We're not making new things.
We're not inspiring people.
We are just saying, I'm gonna do what I did when I was a kid, again, with my kids.
Instead of, hey, let's write a new concept, a new movie, a new song.
Let's change it up.
We're stagnating.
charlie leduff
Exactly.
tim pool
Our culture is decaying.
charlie leduff
When's the last great protest song since Kendrick Lamar?
I mean, you know, we're living in it.
Where's the music, man?
tim pool
It's too corny and corporate.
charlie leduff
Where's the writing, man?
tim pool
Bro, bro, bro.
When the biggest protest movement- Where's the art?!
unidentified
True.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
When the biggest protest movement is on the same side as Walmart and Amazon, I don't think those are protest songs.
I think those are corporate jingles.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I wrote a Christmas song.
It's called It's Christmas Time.
It's on YouTube.
tim pool
That's it.
charlie leduff
Can you hum a few bars?
ian crossland
I wrote it.
lydia smith
Ian wrote it.
unidentified
It's Christmas time, something, something, something.
ian crossland
You don't even know your own song!
I haven't listened to it in like 12 years, but I wrote it.
It could be refined.
tim pool
I'll say this, I'll say this.
Don't boycott Space Jam because LeBron James tweeted something dumb.
Boycott regurgitations.
Demand something new.
lydia smith
Thank you.
charlie leduff
Or, you know what?
Maybe check it out when it comes on Netflix.
I'm looking for stuff to watch.
tim pool
It's not gonna be on Netflix.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Netflix doesn't do that anymore.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Well, I guess it'll come out on Netflix like three years after this.
charlie leduff
Maybe check it out and tell everybody else it sucks.
Look, I'm a sucker.
I still get Kentucky Fried Chicken.
I will go to Taco Bell.
Wait, are they sponsors of this show?
unidentified
No.
charlie leduff
I won't go to Taco Bell.
I'll go back to Taco Bell once you sponsor this show.
But I do do that.
I'm not a purist.
ian crossland
Yeah, sometimes you gotta use the corrupt system to fix the corrupt system.
tim pool
I'm part of it, man.
You're making something new.
You're doing the No BS News Hour.
You got something new.
We're doing something new.
Should we hook up?
lydia smith
We should hook up.
tim pool
You wanna do news?
Let me know and we'll get some good news going on.
Yeah, we're going to do news, we're going to do shows, we're going to do comedy, we're going to do movies, we're going to do sci-fi.
Because I'm sick and tired of every single thing.
It's been years, man.
You know what, I like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the superhero movies.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
But come on, they're just making movies out of comics from 70 years ago.
charlie leduff
Yeah, but at least I don't have to read them now.
tim pool
Sure, sure.
It's a great modern adaptation of something that's really, really old.
At a certain point, Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and these guys were like, how about a guy who turns green and gets real strong when he's mad?
Well, actually, I think he originally turned gray.
But, you know, you get the point.
How about a guy who can jump over tall buildings and for some reason he has, like, ice breath?
It was they made something up and they worked on it.
It became popular because they worked on it.
Now everybody is just trying to say, I don't want to do the work.
I want what he's got.
Let me inherit your wealth and I'm not going to make something new.
These companies don't want to take the risks.
They don't want to make new, exciting things because it's a potential risk.
charlie leduff
I got one.
I got one.
lydia smith
Yeah.
charlie leduff
Christmas, old movies being made into new movies, old books, right?
unidentified
Why can't we get a new Ten Commandments?
ian crossland
I'm so down with that.
charlie leduff
I like that movie.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
The movie Ten Commandments?
charlie leduff
Yeah, I do.
Charlton Hathaway's Ten Commandments.
ian crossland
Oh, remake.
I thought you meant to actually write 10 new commandments.
I think more, even more important.
tim pool
I don't know about that.
charlie leduff
We'll discuss later.
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
The Manila principle.
charlie leduff
That could be a pretty sweet.
ian crossland
I would love to play that role.
charlie leduff
You look like you're getting it.
tim pool
They're redoing Dune.
charlie leduff
Wait, Jesus doesn't come till later.
And listen, I want to ask you something, Jesus.
When did you get white?
ian crossland
It took about 2,000 years, from what I heard.
charlie leduff
It took the Romans.
tim pool
They're redoing Dune.
Ian's really excited for that.
lydia smith
Dune?
ian crossland
Oh yeah, but I heard it might be woke.
tim pool
Oh really?
ian crossland
I don't know many details.
Did you read it, Dune?
charlie leduff
Wait, is that the one?
tim pool
It was like a famous 80s movie, wasn't it?
ian crossland
Yeah, early 80s.
Lynch did one.
David Lynch did it.
charlie leduff
Wasn't it the Doof and the Police?
I don't know.
ian crossland
Yeah, Sting was in it.
charlie leduff
Sting.
unidentified
He played Big Flop, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, he was actually really good in that.
It was a weird Lynch movie, but Sting was awesome in it.
It was, yeah.
They did monologues, like long monologues, which don't translate to film.
They're good in theater and in books.
They make a lot of sense, but not in movies.
tim pool
They were doing inner monologues.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was really weird.
It would just show his face, and he's thinking, and you hear his voice for like...
tim pool
Yeah, they tried to make a book into a movie without making it a movie.
ian crossland
And then in the 90s they did one with William Hurt and a Dune major TV movie, but they translated all that monologue into dialogue and it made it way more interesting.
tim pool
We just need new stuff.
That's what we're doing.
Oh, so our vlog got age restricted.
unidentified
Yes!
What's up with that?
tim pool
We made a vlog from the house showing people the house.
Because the point is, one of the things I'm big on is we've got to make culture.
Which means you can't just sit around and complain about politics because politics is downstream from culture.
You need to make stuff to inspire people and build community.
And so I'm like, we're going to do that.
We're going to start a vlog.
We started a vlog.
Show them this joint?
charlie leduff
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So we got the ramps, we got the garage.
charlie leduff
Oh, no, this place is a trip.
Totally.
No, you walk in here unexpected.
I walked in today like, what the hell is going on?
unidentified
It's great.
charlie leduff
Everybody's barefoot.
The computer's going up.
They're finding your IPN.
unidentified
They're talking about Dracula.
charlie leduff
I mean, it's like, what?
They got bows and arrows outside.
tim pool
We launched race cars over the garage.
Going like 60 miles an hour.
And we put up this vlog and YouTube age restricted it.
No, you can't.
You can't.
charlie leduff
It's not real.
As far as you know, YouTube.
So, uh, it's an antique.
tim pool
That's not an antique.
charlie leduff
What's not an 18?
tim pool
That's real.
charlie leduff
What is?
unidentified
So we have a vlog, the age restricted it.
tim pool
And so that's, I guess, that's, that's, that's, I just particularly annoying.
I thought I would mention.
ian crossland
What does that mean exactly?
tim pool
You have to be signed and an 18 years old to watch the vlog.
ian crossland
And that's because they think.
charlie leduff
That's actually kind of cool.
tim pool
No, it's bad.
It means you can't put on other websites and you can't share it.
charlie leduff
Okay.
But you're creating a new culture.
So you know what, if what that blog saying is for real.
Come find it.
ian crossland
Just lean into it.
charlie leduff
We can't make it easy for you.
Give some effort.
tim pool
That's why they put a restriction on it because they don't want us to actually influence people to be free independent thinkers who want to build and create and inspire others.
charlie leduff
That's why I don't mind people taking to the streets, man.
Just don't tear it up.
tim pool
I agree, man.
Peaceful protests.
charlie leduff
Somebody messes with you, drop them.
tim pool
I think peaceful, be disruptive, but not violent, not destructive.
Disruptive means like you kind of annoy people when you're marching down the street and you're kind of, you know, in the way a little bit.
unidentified
It worked with MLK and it worked with Gandhi.
charlie leduff
MLK got things a lot farther than what Malcolm X was saying, but never doing.
tim pool
They set buildings on fire, they caused $2 billion in damage, and they got their conviction.
unidentified
And the insurance company, you know the old argument.
tim pool
No, no, no, the buildings in Minneapolis couldn't be rebuilt because the cost of rubble removal exceeded the liability insurance coverage.
charlie leduff
Well, it's funny.
One of the buildings, I won't name the companies, but one of the buildings that got torn up got a sweet deal, a sweet package, sweet tax abatements and subsidies from the city of Minneapolis to build.
It's a multinational.
tim pool
Yeah.
charlie leduff
Why is, why are we doing that?
How did this happen?
ian crossland
Because they have a mainline to the mayor's ear.
charlie leduff
Well, it's become American culture now.
unidentified
I'll leave if you don't give me your children's breakfast.
charlie leduff
You know, my child's school.
My child, you know, we do okay.
So my child doesn't get the federal breakfast program.
But I'm an elder.
I'm a man of this community.
I go see what they're feeding the kids.
Generic pot tarts and orange drink.
Our money.
Now, I think we all have to feed our children, right?
unidentified
I'm not gonna feed your dad for his whole life.
charlie leduff
But the kid ain't going hungry, not as long as I'm living on the earth.
How is it I pay, you reach in my pocket, for orange juice?
It went to Washington.
It went to Lansing.
It went to the school board.
And magically, my tax money for that child The orange juice transmogrified into orange drink.
ian crossland
Which is like food coloring, sugar, and water.
charlie leduff
And it's vitamin C, so it's okay.
tim pool
It's not okay.
They were supposed to buy orange juice, but they bought orange drink instead.
charlie leduff
Why are we feeding our kids orange drink and generic Pop-Tarts?
tim pool
When you could be giving them Biotrust.
lydia smith
That's right.
ian crossland
Could you imagine if in hospitals they fed patients healthy food instead of sweet drink?
charlie leduff
Think about that.
ian crossland
A hospital, a place of healing, and they feed people the same kind of stuff they feed them in public schools.
charlie leduff
Where'd our money go?
tim pool
There are a lot of rich people eating a lot of fancy meals, I'll tell you that.
A lot of blue coat media sitting down with public officials being stenographers for them and having fancy dinners.
charlie leduff
You know what I love about the media that hangs out with the swells?
They think they're a swell.
They also think they're a swell.
But you know what I always say?
You're a hound.
You're a poodle laying at the table waiting for a scrap to fall off.
Ain't nobody listening to you.
Not when the times get real.
You think they are?
Anybody out there reading the local business magazine?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think, uh, just to, just to cycle back, uh, that the sugar industry is subsidizing, like the government in such a way that they're pumping sugar into the schools and the hospitals and the prisons.
And that's why we see orange drink.
charlie leduff
There's some contractor, isn't there?
There's always a contractor.
tim pool
Let's talk about what's going on with Whitmer.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Because let's get into this big thing you're working on.
So we have this story.
We got this one from Click on Detroit.
Michigan Governor Whitmer blasts criticism over visiting sick father in Florida.
State leader reacts to criticism in interview with the Washington Post.
Oh, she runs for the Washington Post.
Right.
They're very favorable towards Democrats.
charlie leduff
Click on Detroit.
You didn't cover it.
Sorry, guys.
You hearing me?
unidentified
You didn't cover it.
charlie leduff
And then click on his writing.
The governor of Michigan went to the Washington Post.
Yeah.
tim pool
So what's up with this story?
Apparently she was criticizing people who traveled, criticizing Florida.
Then she goes to Florida.
charlie leduff
No, we got it.
We are like ground zero for the United States in like raging pandemic cases, COVID cases.
unidentified
Now, you know, right around Easter, Good Friday, everybody, I'm not going to lock it down again.
charlie leduff
And now the date is coming.
I'm not a COVID denialist in any way.
unidentified
You know, I try to be a good boy.
charlie leduff
I respect my mask.
tim pool
He's got his mask.
charlie leduff
I caught it.
unidentified
I'm over it.
charlie leduff
That's why I'm not wearing it.
You know, I'm not a freak.
unidentified
She says, uh, listen, don't travel to Florida because it's really bad there.
And they got, uh, this, uh, UK variant, uh, we and they, and I think maybe we got it from them.
charlie leduff
Number one, her chief operating officer, who's in charge of distributing the vaccine.
Beats it down to Margaritaville.
She's in the Siesta Key or something like that.
And meanwhile, Whitmer on the day is telling Biden, give us the vaccine, unaware that the COO didn't order the 360,000 vaccines that were waiting for us.
Because she's down in Margaritaville with the teeny boppers while her 18-year-old son is back home with COVID.
So you're traveling around with teeny boppers, you've been exposed to COVID, and you're the chief operating officer of the state.
So I get on to the next one.
unidentified
Spring break.
charlie leduff
The Department of Health and Human Services, the chief medical director for Michigan, beats it down to Margaritaville.
unidentified
They wanna play funny with me.
charlie leduff
I know it.
You know I know it.
You gonna confirm it or deny it?
Cause you know I already know it.
tim pool
But where's Margaritaville?
Like what are you referencing?
charlie leduff
That'd be like the Gulf.
tim pool
The Gulf.
charlie leduff
Like we're from Michigan.
tim pool
So these people are traveling down to the Gulf or whatever.
charlie leduff
They're, they're, they're... Partying?
They're leaving Pandemic Central after they locked us down.
Governor told us all to stay put.
Try not to go down there.
Do the right thing.
And her two top health advisors are down there.
And we catch them.
unidentified
Part three.
Did you go, Governor?
Did you go?
She did, didn't she?
Because I know you went.
tim pool
She did.
unidentified
Because I'm a reporter.
I know people all over the place.
charlie leduff
There's nothing going to happen we don't know about.
unidentified
But Click-On's not going to do it.
charlie leduff
NPR's not gonna do it.
unidentified
I'll leave it to you to ask why they won't do it.
charlie leduff
This is germane.
So the governor now says, well, I wouldn't go on spring break.
unidentified
I went to see my ailing father.
charlie leduff
Snowbird Mansion, West Palm Beach.
My brother died.
My brother died three weeks ago.
tim pool
That's not funny.
charlie leduff
I couldn't be at his deathbed.
People couldn't go to funerals.
People couldn't see loved ones in the nursing homes.
And you're making some cockamamie excuse like this.
This is not leadership.
It's not.
Everything's turned upside down, brother.
Our children's lives.
They're manic.
They're sad.
They're confused.
Right?
They're staring at screens.
We did what we were asked.
We did not... We thought we were all rowing the boat together.
When you know the top three officials in Michigan did this, that boat has sailed.
And when I flew into Charlotte, North Carolina this morning, woo, that was packed!
I felt like Gulliver's Travel or Rip Van Winkle.
I haven't seen a crowd like this in a year and a half.
And I'm personally disgusted.
And you can parse You can fake it.
Here's what will not be written about the COVID response.
It happened in an election year.
History will not remember, this is the most important election of our lifetimes.
unidentified
That's right.
charlie leduff
Okay?
They won't remember the games that everybody was playing.
Everybody was playing.
Everybody!
Right, left, and middle.
tim pool
History is a segment that's really interesting.
When people talk about the Spanish flu, for instance, often they don't talk about World War I.
They just have to read about it, and you're like, oh, wow, that kind of happens simultaneously for the most part.
There are a lot of times in history where people will reference something like the Great Depression, and then you've got to understand the context around World War I before it and what led up to these things.
But, you know, we do these things with history.
The story was the pandemic.
You're right.
In a hundred years, it'll be like the pandemic.
There will be a separate historical moment where they'll read about the election, but they won't be in the same context.
charlie leduff
Yes.
How we got jimmied.
We got gamed.
Again, I don't want to sound like a denialist because I've never seen in my lifetime the hospitals overflow.
So that's true.
Do not even tweet me anything about that.
That's true.
unidentified
But who did it hit?
charlie leduff
One more time, the institutionalized elderly, the very thing the government's responsible for.
So when I see Fauci doing his morning talk shows, what is the nursing home strategy, sir?
Because we now know before COVID, 400,000 people died in the nursing home a year from communicable diseases.
Wow.
And 550,000 died from COVID.
We got a COVID every year in these places.
Now Biden wants to come with $400 billion to deal with it.
Okay, that's good.
But before we crack that money down a hole, you want to tell me specifically what we're doing?
Or are the orange juice contractors going to eat it up?
tim pool
So you're talking about what they did with putting COVID patients in nursing homes.
charlie leduff
Yeah, they took the positive and put them in with the healthy to clear out the hospital.
tim pool
So I guess you're suing.
charlie leduff
I'm suing the state of Michigan for this.
We've come up with an asterisk.
We have a death count.
And then there'll be an asterisk.
Vital record search.
So we add those in.
Okay.
When did they die?
They won't tell us.
How old were they?
They won't tell us.
What was their race?
They won't tell us.
And specifically, where was their primary residence?
Was it a nursing home?
unidentified
Are you pulling Are we trying to hide statistical deaths to make it look better?
charlie leduff
Because look, as you add more deceased people to a list and less of the deceased people come from a nursing home, you look like a winner.
Why won't you give it to me?
This is our data!
Why do I have to sue?
This is not the Soviet Union.
tim pool
I think the reason's probably obvious, isn't it?
Because the number's probably bad.
Like with what Cuomo did.
charlie leduff
Even as ripe today as we stand, we're no better than average.
unidentified
Which is what we like to say in Michigan.
charlie leduff
We did no better, no worse.
tim pool
Until the data comes out.
charlie leduff
Teach your redneck to count.
And he'll start counting.
tim pool
What happens if it comes out and the data comes out and it shows that it's a lot worse?
unidentified
That's bad.
charlie leduff
Now, here's the thing.
What happens if they give me the data and it shows what they're reporting to be true?
Guess what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna write that.
That's the honest and dignified and professional thing to do.
tim pool
I just don't think we have journalism anymore.
You know, I guess we don't have real reporters anymore.
charlie leduff
We do.
Should we just name a few?
tim pool
But there's a small handful.
charlie leduff
Okay, we'll name them.
Let's do that.
Before we dog the whole institution, it's not true.
I'll give you one, you give me one.
unidentified
Ready?
Alright.
charlie leduff
Paul Egan.
tim pool
I can give you Matt Taibbi.
I can give you the national ones.
charlie leduff
Christine McDonald.
tim pool
So who are they?
Tell me who these people are.
charlie leduff
They're people in Michigan that do good work.
tim pool
You know, I'll give you that.
I'll correct myself.
There are a lot of good local reporters out there doing really good work.
I end up following a lot of these guys, men and women, when there's breaking news and it comes from a certain area or a certain city.
I know that for the most part, if you go to a local reporter, it's usually pretty good.
These people aren't the ones chasing the national story and grifting to try and make a buck.
charlie leduff
The national people chase them.
tim pool
Exactly.
charlie leduff
And they should be paid more.
unidentified
Right?
charlie leduff
And they should be respected, and I don't want to dog them.
Because I know in Minneapolis, they're for real.
In Chicago, in L.A., I know.
Pancho Ortiz in McAllen, Texas.
That guy does both sides of the border.
Oh no, there's a lot of us.
So, we're not dogging reporters.
We're dogging the business.
tim pool
I'll tell you this.
I think you're right.
I think I should correct my statement again.
The problem is the powerful moneyed interests that fund all this stuff are not the local journalists who are actually reporting on what's going on.
unidentified
Give me it again, brother.
tim pool
That's right.
It is these powerful national wealthy interests that are funding... Who runs the newspapers now?
charlie leduff
Hedge funds?
tim pool
Yeah.
charlie leduff
They're tearing them up.
tim pool
Well, the local newspapers are collapsing.
They can't compete with the national level.
charlie leduff
Newspapers are over.
But I love newspapers.
You know why?
They're the best kindling for a natural fire.
There's nothing better than a newspaper.
tim pool
Like in your fireplace?
charlie leduff
Yeah.
It is.
I don't know what else you use to start it.
tim pool
Yeah, you actually, you ball it up, make it, it helps get things going.
I mean, I mean newsrooms in general, right?
You used to have, man, it's crazy when I drive through some of these small towns, you see a big old, it's like the so-and-so gazette or whatever, and I'm like, they used to have a newspaper here.
Not anymore.
charlie leduff
They don't even have a newspaper.
tim pool
Because they can't compete at the national level.
The ads have become, you know, Google and Facebook contributed to this, but it's also that the New York Times can serve local ads.
So the big players dominate the market.
If you live in the middle of Nebraska and you go to these big prominent news websites, you're going to get ads for the middle of Nebraska.
You're going to get ads for your local grocery store.
So you don't need the local paper selling ads anymore.
And then if people are like, if I'm going to pay for news, I'm going to pay for the New York Times.
Why would I pay for a local paper?
charlie leduff
100%.
So what I do with my podcast is I try in the week to do one big solid story.
So when I do it, that's ours and only ours.
And we beat everybody.
And you gotta chase us.
For instance, Saturday is the seven-year anniversary of Flint.
I bet you nothing was gonna happen in the great state of Michigan until I just said that.
tim pool
They finally fixed the pipes, right?
charlie leduff
Bring it.
I gotcha.
Hello, everybody at home.
I gotcha.
Hello, New York Times.
I got you.
Remember Flint?
tim pool
They finally fixed the pipes, right?
charlie leduff
Nah.
unidentified
No?
Nah, man.
tim pool
Still bad?
unidentified
Nah, man.
charlie leduff
It's like, you know what they got in Flint?
unidentified
Orange drink.
charlie leduff
They got that news click.
unidentified
No, they didn't.
tim pool
So it's still bad.
charlie leduff
Ain't nobody drinking the water in Flint.
tim pool
Yeah.
charlie leduff
What'd they do to us?
Flint!
What else?
ian crossland
I was thinking like, I think it's always been bad for humans.
You know, it's always been like, we're struggling to survive.
We're lucky to be alive.
And now it's just less bad, but like, there's still lead in the water.
Like there's not feast.
We, we have clean drinking water, which is kind of a first in humanity.
I guess the Romans maybe started to.
So, it's not like it's falling apart.
It's never really been that great, you know?
tim pool
Well, but look, come on.
You'd be better off in the middle of the woods finding a dirty puddle and drinking it than you would the water in Flint.
They had chemical plant runoff and they had lead eroding in the pipe.
charlie leduff
Well, it's not that bad now, I mean, but... I would like to actually go back and have a muddy water in some land that's mine.
You know, like one of these...
unidentified
BBC movies about the Vikings, where I'm running around, you know, shooting elk and stuff.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind that, but you don't live very long.
charlie leduff
I thought we were supposed to be improving.
I smell rot!
That's what you've been talking.
tim pool
I think, I think no matter how much technology improves, there's always the struggle of maintaining things.
Like we still have people who live in the middle of the wilderness.
We still have people with their, I mean, they're undiscovered tribes.
We could develop all the best technology in the world, and I still think there will be poor people who are living in squalor.
unidentified
Yeah.
The world's getting crowded, isn't it?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Or as a great philosopher once wrote, What goes up must come down.
Spinning wheels going around.
tim pool
Who was that?
unidentified
I don't know.
charlie leduff
DJ Thomas or something?
ian crossland
We could evolve to a place where humans are all like consciously aware, awesome, connected, unified.
Or are we always going to have a segment of people that are like dumb, like kind of dumb animals that need to be herded?
charlie leduff
I kind of like both.
I like the dumb animal and the superhuman.
Because remember what Freud really said, break it down.
The civilized person and the animal person, the wider they get from each other, the more unhappy you are, the more anxiety.
The animal gives up his pleasure for longevity.
That's the civil person.
That's really... I thought he was brilliant.
That's really what's going on in our lives.
Are we gonna be animals?
Are we gonna be civil?
Or... I like being both.
tim pool
You gotta have a good mix, man.
You gotta think long term, you gotta... But people don't want us to be that.
No, they wanna be short term.
charlie leduff
They don't want us to be... They don't like the animal part of us.
You have to be nice.
Be nice at work.
ian crossland
Raise your hand.
charlie leduff
Wash your hands.
Don't say the wrong words.
Tell it to the hand.
ian crossland
The animals get angry.
They start banging the bars and then they start ripping things down and blowing things up and that's what the government and the people in power are afraid that there's going to be some sort of chaotic I don't even call it revolution, but chaotic evolution or de-evolution.
So they're like, no, we have to create strict rules.
We want these people to be, to follow us, that we want us, we want them to use our money that we say.
And I think it's, it's holding us back from turning into like the homo sapien is going to evolve into some other type of hominid or some, a bunch of different types of hominids.
tim pool
Nah, robots bro.
ian crossland
And like cybernetic hominids.
charlie leduff
A brain in a jar connected to a car battery.
tim pool
Yes.
That's exactly what we're about to become.
ian crossland
All the above.
tim pool
That's one way to put it.
ian crossland
Psychics.
There'll be wild animal humans.
There'll be humans on Mars that are, like, bigger.
There'll be humans in deep space that are really long.
There'll be cybernetic humans.
tim pool
We're gonna integrate ourselves with machines.
Maybe that's what you're gonna do.
No, that's what the goal is for a lot of these wealthy industrialists like Elon Musk and Neuralink.
They want to integrate humans with machines.
charlie leduff
Well, why wouldn't we?
Because, look, Already we've tethered ourselves to one.
ian crossland
Dude, we're interfacing with these machines right now.
charlie leduff
Yeah, but this one... Yeah, these for sure, but this one is part of me.
This phone is... And if you make it so I can stick it inside myself and never lose it at the bar, I might do it.
tim pool
What if they hack it?
Well... And then start making you think crazy things and all of a sudden you just go nuts.
charlie leduff
That's called marriage.
tim pool
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, a lot of people are worried about the Neuralink stuff because there's so much we gotta discover, but my response to the Neuralink stuff, when people are like, would you get it?
Oh, I wouldn't get it.
I'm scared.
It's like, let the technology happen before you start talking about whether you're worried about it or not.
charlie leduff
This is exponential.
tim pool
If I went to you 15 years ago and said, would you want to put a tracking device in your pocket where the government can see where you're going and big corporations would know when you're pooping, you'd be like, no way!
I'd never do that!
Now you're like, I love this thing.
charlie leduff
But I'd go like, what do I give for it?
tim pool
Access to the summation of human knowledge?
charlie leduff
I would be like, hmm, that's interesting.
Maybe.
In fact, we did.
So it's no use going back and asking the question.
We all knew that, right?
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, people are going to know our link right up.
ian crossland
Did you see Terminator 2?
You guys seen the movie?
I'll be back again. I thought it was like a dystopian fantasy when I saw it in the 90s and now I'm realizing
Whoa, dude, that might actually happen. That's crazy that machines could
We give over to this thing and then it takes control. Do you see the new Terminator?
tim pool
Where, I guess, like, the machine nanoparticles infected the dude and he became a cyborg person or something?
So in, like, one of the later movies, I don't know, they made too many of these.
Like, I guess, what's the name of the kid, John Connor, is that his name?
He apparently gets infected by nanotech, which integrates him with Skynet or whatever.
And he was like... I guess the story was something... I could be getting it wrong, so correct me in the comments if I'm wrong.
He said something like, Skynet realized they couldn't win, so they decided to integrate with humans.
And they're like, quick, kill him!
I'm like, wait, wait, wait!
What's wrong with that?
Like, he's super powerful.
He's, like, basically indestructible.
He's still him.
He's doing his thing.
Wouldn't you want nanobots to be like, you know, it's like Tony Stark in Avengers, where he presses the button on his chest and then he gets a suit of armor.
Wouldn't you want to have superpowers?
unidentified
Not only that, I'd like to be the governor of California.
That would be fantastic as well.
charlie leduff
You don't get the analogy, do you?
tim pool
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
charlie leduff
Oh, you did get the analogy.
Yeah, Terminator.
We'll just take that out.
This is live.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Imagine this.
charlie leduff
You didn't tell me that.
tim pool
You didn't know it was live?
unidentified
I didn't mean that, Governor.
I didn't mean it.
I love you.
tim pool
So imagine right now when we're all like, we're okay with these phones in our pockets tracking our every movement because of the powers we get from it.
I gotta say, like, okay, you gotta integrate with the machines, but you can also have superpowers.
You can jump real high.
Your hand can turn into a sword.
charlie leduff
But bro, I just, I turned off location and I just want to check Facebook.
tim pool
That's not how it works.
charlie leduff
Even if I turn location off, am I being tracked?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Yeah.
charlie leduff
Really?
tim pool
Yes.
charlie leduff
And I told all the apps you can't track me?
tim pool
Yeah, they can track you.
charlie leduff
Welcome to the future, my friend.
unidentified
The crazy thing is you don't know because the code is proprietary.
charlie leduff
I actually thought I was getting away with it with a VPN and turning it all off.
ian crossland
You just don't know.
You don't know what the code is doing behind your back.
tim pool
In order to connect to the VPN, it has to connect to a local tower first.
charlie leduff
True.
tim pool
And it has to register your device on that tower first.
charlie leduff
But I'm VPN-ing it.
tim pool
VPN protects your browsing.
So, like, if you're looking up, you know, pictures of dogs, they won't know you're looking at pictures of dogs.
But they will know where you are hitting that tower.
charlie leduff
They can ping me.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Your phone has to be like, hey, this is Charlie's phone.
I want to do something.
I'm not gonna tell you what it is.
That's different.
So, yeah, you're being tracked.
Let me explain something to you.
You know that you have voice activation on that phone, right?
Yeah.
You can say, uh, what is it?
You know, you know that phrase?
I don't want to say it because I don't want to turn people's phones on.
charlie leduff
Hey, Judy machine.
tim pool
You say hello phone and it turns on.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
How does it know you're talking?
charlie leduff
Because you allowed it to access your voice.
tim pool
And how does it know you're talking at that moment?
charlie leduff
Um, because I pressed the button.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
You can activate it without pressing the button by saying its name.
charlie leduff
What goes off?
tim pool
We got one of the Amazon devices, right?
It's just sitting there in the room.
unidentified
Listening.
tim pool
But if I say its name, it'll turn on and say, what would you like?
In fact, if you go to your settings, you can look up the things you've said to your device, and it'll say, this was not intended for name of device.
That means your phone right now, in order for it to be able to know you used a voice activation command, the microphone is always on.
Always.
The way voice activation works, the way the voice to text works, you say a word, the phone sends that sound byte to a company that takes that sound and turns it into text.
Sends it back.
charlie leduff
That means... Help me!
How do I get rid of that?
tim pool
Throw it out the window.
charlie leduff
That's the only way.
tim pool
Well, you could use open source.
charlie leduff
Wait, wait, no.
For the regular people.
How do I get rid of that?
tim pool
You can't.
charlie leduff
Then don't carry a phone?
tim pool
No, no, no.
Carry a mini Faraday cage.
charlie leduff
What's, what?
tim pool
Alright, so a Faraday cage is like, it's a cage.
charlie leduff
I love that it was Robin Williams and Nathan Lane in the Faraday cage.
Alright.
ian crossland
The birdcage.
tim pool
The birdcage.
ian crossland
Great movie, by the way.
tim pool
A Faraday cage blocks all incoming electromagnetic waves.
ian crossland
And outgoing.
tim pool
And outgoing.
charlie leduff
Is that an app?
tim pool
No, no, it's a little box made of metal.
Okay, so you ever look at the front of a microwave and you can see that like you can kind of see in but there's a metal screen?
charlie leduff
Yeah.
tim pool
That's because the holes are the right wavelength to prevent microwaves from coming out.
A microwave is a Faraday cage because it has to keep all the microwaves inside of it.
If you put your... I'm pretty sure this works.
If you put your phone in the microwave it should put your phone like on untrackable because... But my head's gonna explode if I'm talking in my microwave!
Don't put your head in the microwave!
ian crossland
You could get a 5G, what is it, no, the 5S, or if you're Android, I think the 5S, and before, you could take the battery out, and that will- That won't, no, it won't.
I don't think they can track a phone without a battery in it.
Not the old ones.
charlie leduff
No, I'm talking about when the battery's in it, not just here now.
ian crossland
These batteries are permanently in now.
charlie leduff
Okay, get a burner phone.
tim pool
No, no, no, that won't work.
charlie leduff
Come on.
Why?
tim pool
So the burner phone still has to register on a tower, right?
charlie leduff
Yeah, but don't link it to your name.
tim pool
Then if you at any point ever have that phone and your phone in the same place at the same time, the network will register both devices.
Do that a couple of times and the AI tracking these systems will detect a pattern.
This cell registration and this cell registration appear in the same time multiple times.
charlie leduff
How far away should I use my burner phone or turn my regular phone off when I use my burner phone?
tim pool
Leave your regular phone at your house.
Go a few miles for your burner phone.
charlie leduff
But what if I turn my burner phone off and then use my burner phone?
tim pool
It might work, but I'll tell you this, man.
charlie leduff
Just go a couple miles.
tim pool
You need to understand something.
I'm trying to understand something.
Do you have a Facebook profile?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Do you have any family members who never signed up for Facebook?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They have Facebook profiles too, even though they didn't sign up.
They're called shadow profiles.
unidentified
I know that, I know.
tim pool
So the point is, if they want to track your burner phone, it is as easy as making chocolate chip cookie dough.
charlie leduff
I'm going to give you my number on my burner phone.
tim pool
Don't do it.
Area code, not on this show.
charlie leduff
Check this out, check this out.
unidentified
9-1-1.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I was at a meeting in... Don't dial that number.
I was at a Google event.
Somebody will.
And I was there... No, you can't do that, man.
I was at a Google event with... Who is that famous war correspondent for NBC?
Richard Engel?
Is that his name?
charlie leduff
Yeah, Richard Engel.
tim pool
He went to Syria during the height of the war with his cell phone.
He brought his cell phone, his personal phone, with him to Syria.
And I was just like, bro, are you joking?
And he was like, no, why?
It's like anything on your phone, just consider it the property of the Syrian government at this point.
The moment you landed within their towers, they owned every bit of data on that phone, probably.
Instantly, they're tracking this stuff.
It's war, bro.
He didn't realize that.
charlie leduff
You know what's funny?
Go ahead, brother.
ian crossland
I mean, I'm going off on another tangent about how the world is becoming all, like, observable.
We're all, like, becoming part of this Borg collective, whether we want to or not.
It's crazy.
Like, how are we going to navigate this new reality?
charlie leduff
Well, you have to be smart, like he's saying, because our Supreme Court justice is on a junket to Dubai, and he's supposed to be in Israel, and he gets stopped for COVID, and he decides to spend three months.
tim pool
The state?
The Supreme Court?
charlie leduff
Yeah.
And he decides to spend three months in Dubai, but he says, I'm working!
unidentified
And I'm like, are you doing conferences via Zoom?
charlie leduff
You know, those are supposed to be secret.
Those are undercover.
Which cases we're picking, when we're discussing the merits of the case, and how we're gonna come up with a decision.
And you're doing it by Zoom?
And Dubai?
The government's got all that.
And nobody questioned it.
tim pool
Yup, that's right.
charlie leduff
It's no way to do business.
tim pool
It's no way to run a government.
Yeah, they got everything, man.
Facebook, they know everything about you.
Facebook can predict when you poop.
unidentified
They can because that's when I'm checking it out.
tim pool
It's not just that, it's that based on simple things like when you last ate, they know when you ate because they're checking your location.
It's not even about whether or not you have location services on.
There's some services that have mapped out all of the local Wi-Fi signals from certain areas.
So, when you are- they'll have cars drive around, and they have a computer scanning open Wi-Fi signals.
They're not breaking into your Wi-Fi, they're just seeing who's broadcasting.
They then incorporate that into map data.
So that way you can use your map app, whichever one, without having access to a GPS.
charlie leduff
Do we care?
ian crossland
I'm looking up Zoom.
Apparently it's owned by Eric Yan, Chinese immigrant, now an American citizen, but the company's development team is largely based in China.
Meaning all that stuff's property of the Chinese government.
tim pool
Oh yeah, every communication you do on Zoom is probably in the Chinese server.
The Chinese government's got it.
charlie leduff
Oh, so the Supreme Court Justice is...
ian crossland
Yeah, it's compromised.
This world is... Do we care?
Not... Yes!
charlie leduff
I do, but... Are we gonna be slaves?
ian crossland
Well, like, how do we... How do we survive it?
That's basically... It's happening.
I mean, I'm not trying to, like, be like, stop!
unidentified
Stop!
ian crossland
I don't want my life to be in the public domain, because it basically is, but... How do we survive that as a species?
tim pool
The planet is becoming the Borg.
ian crossland
I don't want to.
tim pool
Eh, you can't stop it.
ian crossland
So we have to leave the planet?
tim pool
I don't know, man.
charlie leduff
Just know if you raise chickens, you should feed them the eggshells.
tim pool
Is that true, though?
I heard you're not supposed to do that.
I heard you're supposed to... We went to a vet for our sick chicken and said, make sure you don't get any eggshells in there.
charlie leduff
Oh, no.
unidentified
I fed him every two days with those things.
tim pool
We had a sick chick, and they said, make some scrambled eggs for the chick.
charlie leduff
Excuse me?
tim pool
But just make sure you don't put any eggshells in it.
charlie leduff
You're cooking...
Scrambled eggs.
tim pool
That's what the vet told us to do.
charlie leduff
For a chicken?
tim pool
That's right, yeah.
ian crossland
Unfertilized.
tim pool
And the reason they said not to make sure it doesn't get any eggshells is because then they'll eat their own eggs.
charlie leduff
You sensitive man.
ian crossland
For what?
charlie leduff
He was worried about his chicken.
tim pool
It died.
ian crossland
He loves his chickens.
charlie leduff
And it died.
unidentified
Yeah.
charlie leduff
That's how bad your cooking is.
tim pool
Nah, it's just sometimes chickens die, man.
We brought it to the vet.
The vet was like, sometimes chickens are just weak and they don't make it.
The little babies, you know?
charlie leduff
What do you think the vet thought when you walked in with a It was a chicken vet.
tim pool
They were like, that's right.
They were like sticks on another.
That's right.
We got farms and they were like, their attitude was a customer is here.
That's it.
And they had chicken medicine and they gave it to us and they gave us a little thing you put in the chicken's mouth.
Cause there are a lot of farmers who had to treat their chickens.
charlie leduff
Is there a pandemic going around?
tim pool
No, but chickens have parasites.
charlie leduff
Is it chickvit?
tim pool
It's called, um, what's it called?
unidentified
What was it?
tim pool
What was it?
ian crossland
Well, what the parasite the chickens can get.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I forgot what it was called.
ian crossland
Trichinosis is the first thing that comes to my mind.
tim pool
There was, there's, there's something they have.
I can't remember what it's called.
Coccidiosis.
ian crossland
Interesting.
charlie leduff
That's funny.
Coccidiosis.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
So they had to give a broad spectrum anti-parasites.
charlie leduff
Coccidiosis.
tim pool
You know, you know the red thing on the chicken's head?
charlie leduff
The co- the comb.
tim pool
Cock's comb.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But the chickens have it too.
And so like the hens have it.
So like we had some people like see the chickens and like one of them, like they're growing up.
One of them's got the little thing on and they're like, but I thought they were, I thought they were all girls.
I'm like, yeah.
They're like, but they have, has the red thing.
I'm like, chickens have that too.
Yeah.
Hens have that.
ian crossland
Do you guys feel like this last week has been dark?
What do you mean dark?
This was a Chauvin thing and the way the media... Yes.
I feel kind of like demoralized or like... I'm still reeling.
Like what?
Like a loss, a lack of hope?
charlie leduff
It's Wednesday, man.
Don't worry.
unidentified
The week's only half over.
ian crossland
It feels like Friday.
charlie leduff
Buck up, bro.
tim pool
I wanna say, too, we gotta go to Super Chats, but I just wanna point out, I think your Chris Cuomo bit is gonna go down in the show history of being, like, one of the best clips, where you're like, Okay, hold on, let me do it better!
unidentified
Well, I'm coming out!
I haven't been out of here in a couple weeks!
Now go back down to the basement.
ian crossland
You gotta watch that again and watch his son's face while he's doing it because the son thinks he's such full of crap while he's watching.
He's like, dude, he has not been down in the basement this whole time.
He's lying.
tim pool
He got caught and he admitted it.
ian crossland
It's crazy.
tim pool
Oh, did you pop your headphones out?
I don't know where that goes.
charlie leduff
Okay.
tim pool
Here, can you?
We'll read Super Chats and then Charlie will pop his headphones out.
charlie leduff
Oh, by the way, before we go, hey brother, it's good to see you again.
tim pool
Oh yeah, dude, it's been a minute.
ian crossland
I love you, man.
tim pool
I think the last time we hung out was in Ferguson.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And it was crazy times, but we hung out at the bar.
It was fun.
The bar, not Ferguson.
charlie leduff
Yeah, that's the thing.
tim pool
That's what I'm trying to clarify.
charlie leduff
That's the thing about the business, man.
It's hard if you do it right.
It's horrifying.
tim pool
We're gonna read some superchats.
Lydia will help fix your headphones.
Alright everybody, if you haven't already, smash that like button.
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charlie leduff
I can swear.
tim pool
Yeah, and the members-only stuff you can...
charlie leduff
I did well, didn't I?
tim pool
You tried so hard.
Yeah, we don't swear on the live show because we're family friendly.
So go to TimCast.com, become a member.
We also got a bunch of big updates.
We're working really hard on getting this done.
It's not the easiest thing in the world.
We are hiring tons of people.
But let's read some superchats.
We got the first superchat from a name that's being blocked by YouTube.
He says, what are your thoughts on ranked choice voting?
I'm a fan.
I like ranked choice voting.
ian crossland
Me too.
I like it a lot.
That means so you have 10 candidates, you give them each a ranking on one to 10.
And then if your number one choice isn't one of the contenders, it defaults to your number two, right?
And then it takes like the top two final contenders, and it will calculate which one of those goes to those two.
tim pool
Yeah, so it's not a perfect system by any means.
It still can devolve into a two-party system, but the idea is... So if you had, you know... We had Joe Jorgensen, Trump, and we had Biden.
You could be like, okay, Trump's number one, Joe Jorgensen's number two, Biden's number three.
If Trump doesn't pull enough votes, your votes flips to the next choice.
That way, the idea is the person who wins is more representative of what the people want, as opposed to first-past-the-post voting, where everybody gets one vote, and then that person wins, which creates a two-party system.
So, I like the idea.
charlie leduff
My turn?
tim pool
Yeah.
charlie leduff
Too confusing in a country of 330 million people that don't even trust a mail-in ballot.
tim pool
No, but it's gonna be confusing.
It's gonna be like, please select your choice for president.
charlie leduff
It's lightning round.
I'm just saying.
tim pool
But check it out.
Imagine this.
Please select your choice for president.
You go, Jack.
charlie leduff
I know what it is.
tim pool
Then a box over here says, who else would you like to be president if this wasn't your second choice?
And you could pick somebody.
charlie leduff
Not in the DNA.
Next super question.
unidentified
But first, super question.
tim pool
All right then.
KB Toys says, the majority voted to abolish the police.
Does that mean we disregard the minority then?
You criticize those who wouldn't let their car be taken, but advocate abandoning cities.
You live another day and are out of the fight.
I think that if you're... There's a big difference between someone trying to steal your car outright where it's illegal and no one agrees with stealing cars.
I think if you're in a city and they pass a bill that says carjacking is now legal and you're like, I'll stay here!
Then what do you want me to say when you get carjacked?
So, look, if it's illegal to carjack somebody and someone carjacks you, you- my personal opinion is, you know, to- to- to certain degrees, of course, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna fight.
But if, uh, if your city legalizes or decriminalizes carjackings, you might wanna leave.
ian crossland
Yeah, but not everyone can.
You know, it's hard for people to relocate sometimes.
tim pool
Sure, we did have a Super Chat yesterday where someone pushed back on that, saying it's not as hard as people think.
And look, man, the fact of the matter is hard or easy isn't what's important.
What's important is, if you stay in a city like Minneapolis, what you are saying is, it is easier and safer for me to stay here than it would be to leave.
Because I'll tell you this, you got a family, it's tough, you seriously could just start walking.
Nothing's stopping you and your family from just walking down the street and walking.
Now, I get it.
That's ridiculously unsafe, so it might be safer to stay in your home.
But finding a new place to live, renting an apartment might be hard, but you might be safer in the long run.
It's short-term versus long-term thinking.
charlie leduff
Are we on the Family Friendly Show or the other show?
ian crossland
Family Friendly.
charlie leduff
We're on the Family Friendly Show.
Yeah, so it's now legal to come up to me at the gas station, stick a gun to my face, and take my car?
Stupid!
tim pool
Is it?
charlie leduff
Well, you know- That's carjacking as far as I know what it is.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not saying it is legal.
I'm saying you live in Minneapolis where they've tried to abolish their police.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It backfired.
A bunch of cops left and now people are panicking.
Staying there is kind of like a bad idea.
That's just my opinion, you can stay if you want.
Who said no good 80s music?
unidentified
Me.
tim pool
Guns N' Roses.
I didn't say there was none.
No, someone else.
What was it, you?
I was a bit teed off by the no good 80s music.
ACDC Motley Crue.
Who said no good 80s music?
ian crossland
Guns and Roses.
I didn't say there was none.
tim pool
No, someone else.
ian crossland
What was it, you?
I mean, I was dogging on 80s, just the 80s in general.
tim pool
The 80s was one of the best music periods ever.
unidentified
It was okay.
Don't you want me, baby?
ian crossland
Except for the 60s and the 70s and the 90s.
tim pool
The 70s, eh.
The 70s was okay.
There's good 70s music.
ian crossland
Zeppelin was hot.
tim pool
Look at this.
unidentified
ACDC monthly group.
ian crossland
The 60s was awesome.
tim pool
Tears for Fears.
ian crossland
Tears for Fears was pretty good.
tim pool
The Cure.
Depeche Mode.
unidentified
No, no.
ian crossland
Depress Mode.
I mean, come on.
The 90s was when rock and roll was birthed.
You could say it was birthed before that, but it matured in the 90s.
tim pool
The 90s had Smashing Pumpkins, I'll give you that.
ian crossland
It had a lot of that grunge rock, the Seattle sound.
The 80s had some good music, no doubt.
Guns N' Roses is one of the best bands of all time, I think.
tim pool
It's the 2000s that was bad, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, when Auto-Tune took hold.
charlie leduff
The 2000s were bad.
tim pool
What do we have in 2000?
Somebody told us their stuff and I was like, oh yeah, that existed.
ian crossland
There's some good stuff.
But when autotune came out, anyone could just like sing crappy and then tweak it.
And like the whole point I think of recording yourself is to make it sound like who you are for real.
And there's a challenge to sound good.
charlie leduff
Like Justin Bieber.
tim pool
In 50 years, people are going to be putting on the classics.
Justin Bieber.
unidentified
Oh, God.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
We got Doc.
Doc Hollandaise says, thanks for introducing me to Charlie.
He's a blast.
There you go.
DW says, never heard of this guest, but why does he sound like he does a voiceover for mobster movies?
charlie leduff
None of your business.
I had to think about that, but I was going to come up with a good one, but it's a family.
Stay tuned for the next one.
Subscribe if you're not, and I'll tell you why.
All right.
tim pool
Sakantia says, once again, I'm asking for your support to bring Donut Operator or Angry Cops in the podcast.
Much love to you all.
Even Ian, who catches my friend and I off guard with Federal Reserve rants, love a trans girl Trump voter.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Donut Operator would be fantastic.
lydia smith
Yeah, I reached out to him recently.
tim pool
Okay, cool.
charlie leduff
Wait, that's something.
Hey, trans girl Trump voter.
ian crossland
Respect.
charlie leduff
Respect.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Gerald Herbert says stink bugs are also known as kissing bugs as they eat dead flesh and the lips are their favorite to feed on at night and they carry horrible bacteria that can cause fatal infections.
unidentified
How nice.
ian crossland
Thank you.
charlie leduff
And they don't degrade.
ian crossland
There are different kinds of stink bugs.
charlie leduff
No, they live in your belly and come out.
tim pool
So we've been just, we've thrown them in jars, we go outside, we throw in a chicken thing and the chickens just go nuts.
They love stink bugs.
charlie leduff
I can see why, they were not, I would eat them.
tim pool
They're big and juicy.
lydia smith
Good and crunchy.
tim pool
Jack... Jack Mack says... Oh, I'm sorry.
Jack Mack Dogeboy.
unidentified
Oh!
tim pool
My buddy in Ukraine says everyone is super on edge.
He lives less than 50 miles from the Russian border.
Worried about my homie and the world.
ian crossland
You're not alone, man.
tim pool
This is it.
Look at this.
Black Lion Grunt says Russia warns US and NATO to not cross their red line.
I wish we had a strong leader like a certain orange man.
charlie leduff
But you know the history of the Ukraine and Poland and Central Europe, they get washed over all the time.
tim pool
That's right.
charlie leduff
But now we got really big bombs.
Not a good idea.
unidentified
Very true.
tim pool
All right, Steve Smith says, damn, I vote for the first time in 2016 and the world seems to go to crap.
Well, it's a good thing it's cold in Minnesota tonight, so less riots maybe.
Also, I feel a lot like the cops have debt, so they won't quit, thus they stick around in this terrible system.
Yeah, well, there you go.
ian crossland
Hey, keep in mind, man, maybe it seems like it's going to crap, but it's not.
It just seems like that because of the media manipulation.
charlie leduff
But I like what dude said, though, you know, like, it's your job.
It's a job.
It should pay more.
tim pool
It should pay more.
charlie leduff
That's the end of the story, but you're right.
tim pool
I don't think people realize that having people who don't feel invested in their work because they get paid garbage, it's like $38,000.
ian crossland
Yeah.
charlie leduff
And can I do this for real?
That job is insane.
A lot of my friends are cops.
Every single person out there knows that the majority of cops do a hard job and they do it well.
We know that.
We should say that and ask.
Nobody even knows what forced continuum means.
You're asking for a change that you won't even understand what it is to be a police.
So I just want to shout out to the very good police tonight.
tim pool
All right.
Connor O'Brien says, the only piece of journalism I'll show my grandkids is the clip of Al Roker fessing up to crapping his pants in the White House.
Is that real?
I don't know if that's real.
That sounds real.
unidentified
All right, let's see, where were we at?
charlie leduff
Tennessee.
tim pool
Pharaoh Fox says, glad to see Charlie is still doing great things.
Loved your book, ish show.
Keep flashing that press badge and not wearing the brown shoes.
And spin the UFO, which we actually, we don't have, we have the spinny thing, but the UFO still exists.
ian crossland
I wanna get a spinning moon.
tim pool
We had, what happened to the earth?
Remember we had the earth?
charlie leduff
Yeah, the earth is flat.
unidentified
No, it isn't.
Okay.
ian crossland
Depends on how you look at it.
charlie leduff
How's that a thing?
tim pool
Some people just kind of lost it.
ian crossland
They used to think it was.
There was like ancient, you know, ancient science.
Didn't they have like firmament and there was a belief that it was on the back of a turtle or something?
tim pool
I mean, I don't know about all that.
I do know that Aristophanes calculated the circumference of the earth by measuring shadows and that was in like 2 BC.
ian crossland
That dude's name is awesome, by the way.
tim pool
Aristophanes.
charlie leduff
Nice pronunciation.
One in Athens and one in Cairo, in fact.
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
So smart, dude.
That's amazing.
charlie leduff
Look at the eclipse.
ian crossland
It's circular.
It looks like a flat circle from the two dimensions.
charlie leduff
So if the Earth is flat, is it up on its side like a quarter, or is it flat?
See what I'm saying?
ian crossland
Maybe it's up on its side and doing this at the speed of light, so it looks like a sphere.
Tim wants to actually talk about facts.
tim pool
Yeah, the idea that the earth was flat was, uh, like Christopher Columbus.
That's not true.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
Oh, the, the issue was Columbus thought the earth was a smaller circumference and that the academics were wrong.
They all, they all knew it was round.
You know why?
Because boats go over the horizon and go down.
Like people weren't dumb.
They were like, Oh, look at that.
unidentified
It's a, it's a, it was always, so let me get the visual if man.
charlie leduff
Yeah.
Sailors know this.
When a ship with the masts and the sails, when they come over the horizon, the first thing you see is the crow's nest.
Then you see the mainsail.
Then you see the bow.
So if the earth was flat, you'd see them all at the same time.
They'd just be small.
But you see them rising up over the horizon.
That's how you know it's curved.
tim pool
And so they've done that for a long time.
And that's why he was like, Hey, I'm going to calculate the circumference.
So Columbus was all like, you're wrong about how big the planet is.
We can make it sailing West to India.
He just was wrong.
And he ended up crashing into the Bahamas or something.
ian crossland
And then he called everyone Indians.
tim pool
That's right.
Cause he thought he was in India.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Anyway.
Kay Lorraine says, I love this man.
I want to see him on a show.
Well, you got a show.
It's the No BS News Hour.
charlie leduff
Yeah, but look at that.
I've been eating well, and you look great.
I cut my own hair.
I trimmed my mustaches for this show.
Thank you.
unidentified
I feel a little old.
charlie leduff
I feel it coming on.
And thank you.
unidentified
You make me feel sexy.
charlie leduff
And the boy wants to feel sexy.
tim pool
Razgriz missed a word, but I'm gonna try and put in what I think they were saying.
Charlie's outburst was the best I have ever seen.
I am currently crying from the hot sauce that just came out of my nose.
Get that man another beer on me.
I'm telling you, the Cuomo thing is gonna, we're gonna clip that and we're gonna make sure we promote that one.
unidentified
They're bozos.
This is my own time, right?
ian crossland
They're like daddy's boy.
I mean, their dad, Mario Cuomo, is basically the name recognition got them their jobs.
I don't think they're really all that great.
tim pool
This is a good idea from Eric A. He says, Ian, I have this image of you coming in like the Kool-Aid man with End the Fed and Free the Code.
It wouldn't be the same show without you.
Maybe we have to make a shirt of Ian breaking through a brick wall with a picture of red fruit drink that says End the Fed on it.
ian crossland
A destructible wall.
charlie leduff
After the show.
unidentified
What we'll talk about this. Yeah, we should audit it at least we could be good
You can also audit the Pentagon we could repeal the Federal Reserve Act of
ian crossland
1913 you need the Federal Reserve Act. You just need a bank.
tim pool
It doesn't have to be the Federal Reserve Everybody's everybody's having a good time
We got, we got some more, we got some more praise for you, for you, Charlie.
Clayton.
charlie leduff
Praise.
I like praise.
Tell me how great I am.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Clayton says, just got to say what an amazing guest.
I mean, Charlie is super entertaining in every aspect.
Bo Jess says, thank you so much for having Charlie on.
He's doing great work for my state and needs as much support as possible.
Charlie, please never let up on Gretch and the corruption in Michigan.
Fix the S.
charlie leduff
I gave you a shirt.
tim pool
You gave me a shirt.
We don't swear.
Fix the ish.
charlie leduff
Or fix it.
Government just fix it and we'll do our own stuff.
We don't need a nanny.
Man, we're screwed.
tim pool
Now if you guys know what that means, you have my respect.
I dig it though.
Dharmak Anjalad on the ocean.
Khyazi's children, their faces wet.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Uzami with fist closed.
Temba, when the walls fell.
The beast of Tanagra.
Now if you guys know what that means, you have my respect.
lydia smith
A good cryptic.
charlie leduff
Dig it though.
But they mentioned Shaka.
I was actually listening to that.
tim pool
So do you guys wanna know what all that meant?
charlie leduff
Yes.
tim pool
The secrets?
What do you think it might be relevant to this show?
ian crossland
Oh, he said Shaka.
tim pool
Relevant to this show.
ian crossland
Wakanda forever.
tim pool
Something we do here.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Something we reference quite often.
ian crossland
The Federal Reserve.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Cryptocurrency.
Graphene.
No.
DMT.
That's all I got.
tim pool
You give up?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You can't get it?
It's a Star Trek reference.
No, it's an alien race that speaks in parables and stories.
So when communicating and they would say something like Dharmak and Jalad on the ocean, it's a story and you're communicating through... Oh, I saw that.
So the idea is like, When you say, like, Tim and Ian on Timcast, you're basically saying, like, having a discussion and arguments.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
So it's like that reference is a reference to the common occurrence.
Yeah.
charlie leduff
Okay.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Sorry.
tim pool
If you were to say something like... That's called nerd out over there.
ian crossland
Mother raising her child on the busy street.
tim pool
It's like... Well, it's a specific story.
So it's like Joe Biden climbing airplane stairs.
So you'd be referencing someone failing at something.
lydia smith
Indeed.
charlie leduff
Is this Pig Latin or something?
tim pool
No, no, no.
It's speaking.
It's conveying ideas through stories.
unidentified
But I didn't understand a damn word that guy said.
tim pool
So there's an episode of Star Trek where they're trying to communicate with these aliens who are frustrated because they keep speaking in stories.
Still confusing.
Understand the word specifically like ocean, but we don't know what the stories are
so we have no idea what they're saying and so they're trying to translate and
Then Picard like teams up with the guy and they're trying to teach him the language and stuff like that
unidentified
Try cockney 43
Rub-a-dub!
tim pool
Aiden says, hey Tim, love the amount of work that you've put into the show, and as well as of the vids you make throughout the week.
At the college I go to, they are making us go through diversity and inclusion training because of that girl from Ohio.
ian crossland
Which girl?
The one with the knife.
unidentified
Was it the one?
tim pool
Is that what they're talking about?
charlie leduff
I don't know.
That many girls from Ohio?
tim pool
Probably, yeah.
lydia smith
There's one, yeah, Columbus, yeah.
charlie leduff
I don't make light of it, though.
It's very serious.
unidentified
That sucks.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's disturbing.
unidentified
Painful.
tim pool
Painful.
Alright, there was a bunch of comments where they really love you, but we gotta read the ones where they don't.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
You ready?
charlie leduff
Yeah.
tim pool
Ready?
Okay.
Music DC guy says, eh, this guy is a constitution hater and a liberal apologist.
I'll tune back in tomorrow.
charlie leduff
Okay, bro.
unidentified
Okay.
charlie leduff
Recite the preamble or give me the three articles setting up the confederation.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
charlie leduff
Article one, article two, article three.
Give me, give me the Bill of Rights.
Can anybody give me the Bill of Rights?
ian crossland
Thou shall not.
charlie leduff
No, those, that's the Ten Commandments!
ian crossland
I'm big into Moses.
charlie leduff
No, huh?
Anybody?
ian crossland
I'm not the guy.
charlie leduff
That's right, dude.
So don't you even do that without, type them in now and we'll see if you don't, don't Google it.
You know, you don't know it.
Go ahead.
tim pool
Zach says Lola Bunny turning men into furries since 1996.
ian crossland
That's Bugs' girlfriend, right?
tim pool
So one of the biggest scandals now apparently is that Lola Bunny in 1996 was drawn with big boobs and now they've gotten rid of the boobs.
So now Lola Bunny has no boobs.
unidentified
By the way, did you guys see- I don't think anyone's actually mad about that to be honest.
charlie leduff
But people are joking about it.
ian crossland
Have you guys seen the new Looney Tunes?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Freakishly disturbing.
They remade it like Seinfeld, where Bugs is like Jerry, but it's just poorly, poorly done.
You gotta watch it, dude.
charlie leduff
It's so weird.
tim pool
From when?
unidentified
When?
tim pool
Recently?
ian crossland
It's like five years old or three years old or something.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
It's so weird.
tim pool
Is it like crude?
ian crossland
No, it's just like boring pseudo-humor.
It's so weird, dude.
charlie leduff
Can I get some more hate mail?
lydia smith
Some more hate?
Yeah, we've got some more hate, I'm sure.
charlie leduff
What did I do?
Geez.
You invited me for a conversation.
tim pool
Martin Edgar says, Grandma got run over by a reindeer by Elmo Sropshire and Patsy Trigg, 1979.
Husband and wife duo.
lydia smith
Excellent song.
charlie leduff
Well done, bro.
Educated audience here.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
SirNeoffStrife says, Hey, Tim, you should get Gary Buchler, the NerdRodic.
He talks about how they just use characters we know to push woke because he used to own a comic shop and rise from being a drug addict that went to jail to a YouTuber.
He said he would love to be on.
Love the show.
lydia smith
Very cool.
tim pool
We will look into NerdRodic.
lydia smith
I will reach out.
charlie leduff
Hey, you're doing good, man.
unidentified
AlienKing says, You jumped out on your own stuff.
tim pool
Yeah.
I was working for a Disney company, man.
I could have just jumped through all the hoops they asked me to and got paid all the fat cash to be one of the corporate shills.
unidentified
I'm the only guy that gets to come on here and say, I'm proud of you.
charlie leduff
Appreciate it.
Because you were younger, we're in the spot together, we know each other, we both work for Vice.
I'm proud of you.
tim pool
Thanks, man.
lydia smith
Thanks, Charlie.
unidentified
Smart guy.
tim pool
Thanks for coming on the show.
Let me read to you what they're saying about you.
Alien King says, what a great freaking guest.
I love Charlie's honesty, candor, and energy.
Just imagine the life experiences this guy has had.
Take note and step up, Trevor.
lydia smith
Right, Trevor?
tim pool
We're not ragging on Trevor anymore.
Trevor's all right.
charlie leduff
Trevor Noah?
tim pool
No, no, no.
Just people.
lydia smith
Just Trevor.
tim pool
Someone called out their friend Trevor.
So we started joking that Trevor sucks.
And then somebody named Trevor was like, come on, guys.
charlie leduff
What's with Trevor Noah?
What's with Trevor Noah?
unidentified
Not a fan.
lydia smith
I don't know.
charlie leduff
I like Trevor and us.
ian crossland
How did he get that job?
charlie leduff
Dude, you came over in 2014.
What do you know?
That's nice.
It's good.
With the tears.
You don't know what tears are.
Not here.
ian crossland
He's doing what he thinks Jon Stewart would do.
And he's just not Jon Stewart.
It's so, so cringe.
tim pool
Triple Kill says, can you please trim these YouTube videos so I don't have to listen to a minute and a half of dead air before each episode.
Keep up the good work.
I don't think we actually can.
I don't think... Podcast.
We've tried trimming... So this is a live show.
Once it goes up, I don't think you can actually... Oh, actually, you might be able to trim.
lydia smith
Oh, can we?
tim pool
You can't split afterwards.
Yeah, you can't split.
charlie leduff
Right.
No, it's live, it's posted, then it's gonna archive it, then you can go back and you can cut.
tim pool
We'll see if we can do that.
charlie leduff
But he's live!
unidentified
The important thing is the guy's live!
tim pool
What's the matter with you?
But most people do watch after the fact.
charlie leduff
I know, but he's doing live.
unidentified
Like, I can't take it anymore.
lydia smith
I'll see what I can do.
I'll see what I can do.
tim pool
Frank Skula says, Charlie never heard of you before, but I gotta say, you are one heck of a character.
I can't say I agree with everything you said today, but man, I would share a beer with you, brother.
charlie leduff
We're not supposed to agree with everything, but I'd definitely have a beer.
tim pool
I think all that people really want is authenticity.
You can be wrong about a ton of things, and people would love to hang out with you as long as you're willing to actually talk about stuff.
charlie leduff
Isn't that the thing?
We don't know each other that well.
We don't agree with everything.
But it's an interesting night, and you return to your corner of the earth, and I return to mine.
tim pool
And that's what a tribe is.
We're going to have to have you do a bunch of little mini-docs for us, though, if you're interested.
Definitely.
charlie leduff
Look, man, here's the thing.
It's a new media concern.
I don't need you.
You definitely don't need me.
But why don't we link up?
unidentified
Sounds good.
charlie leduff
Okay, we'll figure it out.
tim pool
There we go.
charlie leduff
Oh, we're going to kill.
Oh, we're going to kill.
tim pool
Orwell was a prophet 1984 says I love how the same people that want to abolish the police also want to take my guns That's adorable.
You think a social worker is going to actively listen me out of my stockpile That's what I'm saying.
Look you want to abolish the police.
There won't be anybody to enforce gun laws So I'm not worried about it.
charlie leduff
I got a nice story about that real quick because we're doing a Rapid fire.
In Detroit one time they sent the social worker.
And the social worker... For what?
tim pool
Got sent for what?
charlie leduff
Disturbed man.
Disturbed man.
Social worker went in.
Dude was naked.
Had his shotgun.
Said sit down.
Social worker sat down.
In a Barca lounger of urine.
And had to sit there for an hour till naked man.
tim pool
They were alright.
charlie leduff
Yeah, it turned out alright, but that's... You don't just send social workers.
We all know what's going on.
Let's be adults about it.
tim pool
Scott H says, Hey Charlie, I live in Detroit and have followed you since you exposed Bob Ficano for serving cat food to Meals on Wheels.
Similar to the orange drink, keep fighting the good fight exposing Whitmer.
Serving cat food to old people?
charlie leduff
Long story.
But again, no, I'm not hunting Whitmer.
Let's get this straight.
I want answers, and when the answers aren't truthful, I keep going.
I'm not hunting.
I'm doing what a reporter is supposed to do.
The government held to account.
That's it.
tim pool
Right on.
Alex Moore says, good job team.
Y'all make me laugh, cry, yell at the TV, throw the occasional can, agree and agree to disagree.
I will give a super chat for one of you to finish Cyberpunk, at least one ending, and think, prophetic future, when you review for us.
unidentified
High five!
ian crossland
I'll bite the bullet.
I haven't even bought it yet, but I'll go there.
tim pool
I guess they fixed a lot of it.
ian crossland
Okay, that's what I was waiting for.
tim pool
I think I still have the original on my PlayStation.
Like, when it first came out, so it's like all the glitchy, broken, never-been-updated.
charlie leduff
I'll race you.
tim pool
Probably auto-updates whenever I play Skater XL or whatever.
Alright.
Slayer says, Hey Charlie, I'm 26, living in Detroit, and I can't stand Gretchen.
Are there any job opportunities to work with you?
I'd love to join you.
charlie leduff
Um... Should I give my email?
lydia smith
Yeah, if you want.
ian crossland
If you feel comfortable.
lydia smith
You'll get a lot.
ian crossland
You'll get a thousand emails.
charlie leduff
Ladof10 at gmail.com.
But come if you're for real.
You got some video skill, you know what I mean?
I appreciate it, but I'm not running a community college.
If you got some skills, get a hold of me.
If not, go to the community college, get the skills, then get a hold of me.
tim pool
All right, Julie Simone says, while I agree with personal accountability and not staying in a place that no longer aligns with your values, unfortunately, there aren't as many decent places for people to flee.
So then what?
West Virginia?
Wyoming?
charlie leduff
Never flee.
tim pool
What?
charlie leduff
Never flee.
First of all, don't flee.
If you flee, you're the problem.
You're the weak.
You make a choice to move.
There's a difference.
Or hold it out and get real on planet Earth.
There's no Disneyland.
You said it.
It's never been that great.
ian crossland
No, it's not.
charlie leduff
So come on now.
Don't flee.
I don't trust you if you flee.
Nobody wants flight.
You never have my back if you flee.
That means you don't have your own back.
ian crossland
There are such things as organized retreat.
That's a lot different than getting routed.
tim pool
Heather Graham says, Tim.
The Supreme Court previously upheld that police agencies have no duty to provide protection to citizens in general.
The other officers in George Floyd death had no duty to provide protection to George Floyd at the very least, correct?
It's true.
I actually was looking at one of Luke Rutkowski's old videos.
There was a guy on a subway in New York, had a knife I guess, and he was attacking people.
And the cops refused to do anything.
Some regular guy tried subduing this guy with a knife and the cops just stood there and watched because they're like, we don't got to do anything.
We're not going to help you.
So Luke actually interviewed the guy.
He got stabbed a bunch of times.
unidentified
It's crazy.
ian crossland
I remember that.
tim pool
Yeah, that's nuts.
ian crossland
What's up with those other cops that were on the scene for the the Chauvin, I guess, murder, you would call it now.
I don't know.
Oh, there are.
unidentified
No, I think that I think their stuff proceeds now.
ian crossland
And they were charged with like aiding and abetting.
Is that right?
I don't know.
charlie leduff
I'm going to be honest with you.
I didn't follow all of this as closely as everybody.
I just wasn't included in the TV.
I don't know the specifics because I know what I saw.
ian crossland
Did you see the second video of George Floyd, like, before the Chauvin got there?
tim pool
Resisting?
charlie leduff
Yeah, if that's resisting, that's the weakest argument I've ever seen.
tim pool
Like, kicking your way out of the car and knocking people down?
charlie leduff
Oh, dude, I mean, come on.
This can't even be an argument here.
Yeah.
So maybe he's a little bit high.
So maybe he's a little bit claustrophobic.
tim pool
Should they let him go?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
What should they do?
charlie leduff
What you do is you take him out, you stand him in the car.
Ready?
Here's the real one.
You call the paddy wagon.
You call the van.
That's what you do.
Because they got vans for the canine unit.
Right?
If you want, that's all you do.
unidentified
How hard is this?
Every district's got a van.
charlie leduff
Go get a U-Haul.
unidentified
I'm gonna kill him.
I guess the issue is... And I stand right because the jury said so.
charlie leduff
That's... It's officially murder.
Officially murder.
It was a murder.
unidentified
You're right.
charlie leduff
If you believe in this system, this great democracy of ours, it's a murder.
We now say he's murdered.
ian crossland
No, I don't, because Snowden's being persecuted.
There he goes.
charlie leduff
This is white Jesus over here.
ian crossland
Assange is being persecuted.
I don't believe the system at face value.
tim pool
No, but in terms of the formal, official statement, yep, murder.
ian crossland
Yeah, according to the formal, official statement.
charlie leduff
Do you think he's murdered tonight?
Do you think that...
George Flay was murdered?
ian crossland
No, I think he was high on opiates and fentanyl and would have killed someone.
charlie leduff
And you?
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
You know why?
I watched the trial from start to finish.
I've seen the full body camera footage.
And I heard the girlfriend of George Floyd say that he was in the middle of a drug deal.
charlie leduff
He was.
tim pool
And that he ate a speedball.
charlie leduff
I've been high and dope.
tim pool
I don't need a cop choking me out.
Do you know that he had 90% narrowing of the arteries around his heart?
charlie leduff
Again, choke me out and my 90's gonna turn to 100.
tim pool
But that's not murder.
ian crossland
If you're high and about to die and then someone... I'm high and about to die and a cop...
charlie leduff
Business on my neck!
tim pool
They haven't proven what killed George Floyd.
I know, but... So how do you prove murder if you can't even prove the cause of death beyond a reasonable doubt?
charlie leduff
Well, this is getting all nice.
ian crossland
This is a big conversation.
lydia smith
So, okay, I've worked with people who had drug addictions.
I've worked with people who were withdrawing from all kinds of drugs.
And they had serious issues.
Like, this is something that seriously complicates your life.
So when I hear that George Floyd was high on fentanyl, that's a serious, complicating factor that needs to be taken into consideration.
tim pool
Do you know that he had more than a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system?
lydia smith
He did, yes.
tim pool
Do you know that he also, combined with the norefentanyl, probably took the drugs well before any interaction happened?
charlie leduff
Yes.
tim pool
The judge even said it looked like George Floyd put fentanyl in his mouth.
charlie leduff
Yes.
tim pool
He also had a high amount of methamphetamine.
charlie leduff
Exactly.
tim pool
According to the state's own witnesses, Chauvin was entitled under the law to use a taser on George Floyd due to active resistance.
Derek Chauvin chose to use the lesser force option.
The knee wasn't on his neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds.
The prosecution's own body camera footage that was shown proved that Chauvin actually moved his knee off of George Floyd's neck and onto his back several different times.
George Floyd actively resisted and bystanders at first were yelling at George Floyd to stop resisting arrest.
charlie leduff
He did resist.
tim pool
And Floyd said no.
charlie leduff
He did.
That's all true.
tim pool
They called for backup.
Derek Chauvin was called on a priority one, six foot one, 220 pounds resisting arrest.
charlie leduff
That's true.
tim pool
And Chauvin chose to use lesser force according to the prosecution's witnesses.
charlie leduff
And then again, that's all true.
So how is it murder?
Intent to kill you you got the business on the man's neck knee put on his back.
You can't breathe You knew he couldn't breathe.
We all saw he couldn't breathe you pick the man up.
tim pool
You make sure he breathes Well, you know that I go to the bathroom, you know You know according to the state's own witness the amount of that fentanyl's the most dangerous component of fentanyl Is that it who you talking to?
unidentified
Yeah.
charlie leduff
You know who I come from?
Do you know my people?
Do you know what I know about fentanyl?
tim pool
Yeah.
charlie leduff
And cocaine?
tim pool
That's right.
unidentified
And alcohol?
tim pool
Yep.
charlie leduff
My people?
tim pool
I'm from the South Side of Chicago.
charlie leduff
I completely understand.
I'm not going to buy that, man.
unidentified
So, when, when, when, so... You make the last point, let me go to the bathroom.
tim pool
You ask me if I think it's a murder, and I'll tell you this.
The witness for the prosecution said, the most dangerous thing about fentanyl is that it depresses your respiratory system and your ability to breathe and results in hypoxia.
Now you're gonna tell me that you don't have reasonable- Excuse me, brother.
charlie leduff
A very dear loved one of mine died this past July.
Complications of fentanyl.
Just the fact that somebody gave it to him is murder.
tim pool
Murder three.
unidentified
And I can't get no justice.
Yep.
charlie leduff
So please, let me go to bed.
unidentified
All right.
Yes!
lydia smith
Let's do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, with that being said, actually, that was a great end, man.
We're going to come back for the members-only segment over at TimCast.com, so make sure you check that out.
Charlie's getting excited because he can swear now.
ian crossland
I want to shout out his website.
tim pool
Uh, we're gonna we'll be back at timcast.com at about 11 with the members only exclusive So make sure you smash that like button subscribe become a member I can't wait to get more of this work done and launch these new shows, but man, does it take just so much work.
Yikes.
Once we get the ball rolling and we can get into the groove of things, but we're gonna have news articles coming up.
Hopefully we can get this settled really, really quickly, but we have a bunch of writers who are gonna be coming on.
We're gonna have a bunch of news articles on the site.
We're gonna get a bunch of guest writers, new shows, TV shows, all this stuff.
I'm not joking.
New vlogs coming up as well.
You can follow me on all social media platforms at TimCast, but wait!
Follow us on Instagram and Facebook at TimCastIRL with new clips from the show that you can share and help out the show by sharing.
So like our Facebook page, TimCastIRL.
Follow us on Instagram at TimCastIRL.
And you can check out my other YouTube channels, youtube.com slash TimCast, youtube.com slash TimCastNews.
And I don't know how you find this one.
I guess if you look in the recommended channels bar on this page, we got Cast Castle, which is, we might change the name.
I don't know.
I decided to put up the vlog.
We're going to put up more.
We got another vlog ready to go.
We're going to be filming again this Sunday.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
And then eventually we got someone coming in who's probably going to be taking over and doing a daily show on the vlog channel, which should be exciting because you'll get to see the guests behind the scenes, hanging out in the green room.
It'll be awesome.
So, uh, well, I guess Charlie's hitting the head.
Uh, Ian, you want to shout your stuff out?
ian crossland
Yeah.
First, I see you got a tweet from you earlier.
It says abolish the police, hire social workers instead.
I am 100% serious.
Was that serious?
tim pool
Did I say it was serious?
ian crossland
You did, but I don't trust anything you say on Twitter.
tim pool
I said abolish the police and hire the social workers.
You know why?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Because the city's voted for it.
unidentified
Yeah?
ian crossland
Okay.
That was all I needed.
tim pool
I'm at this point where it's like, dude, if people are like, this is what we would like, please, I'll be like, then let them do it.
I don't live there.
Most people don't live in New York.
It's like most people listen to the show.
Listen, man, if you are in, if you want your, like, You live in a city where you're fighting the good fight, but they've supported the riots.
I said it a million times.
You probably shouldn't be there anymore.
You know, you should probably go find somewhere else where you can be more comfortable, whatever.
If the people want social workers, let them have social workers.
All right.
It's like a Chinese finger trap problem.
We're trying to get our fingers out of this trap by pulling as hard as we can.
Maybe the solution is actually to push the trap inward.
ian crossland
Take a pair of scissors and just cut it in the middle.
unidentified
But the thing is, man, the community in large is not calling for that.
charlie leduff
It's made for TV.
tim pool
Sorry man, they're not doing anything to stop it.
So if elections have consequences, they keep voting for leaders who push this stuff, and they don't care about the consequences?
ian crossland
It's a tough world because if the masses believe something, it's hard for them to get that word out.
You get one individual can make a YouTube channel.
So like one person kind of consolidates power in the individual.
Or NBC.
And so they have like a narrative.
charlie leduff
Just telling you the word I get from Detroit, from the community, the people I know being on the block.
No, they support police.
They want good, professional, you know, non-a-kicking police.
tim pool
They gotta come out in the streets and show their support.
charlie leduff
They gotta put up the flags, they gotta say something, because right now, the violent mob- The vast majority doesn't take to the street unless they got a reason to.
tim pool
And if the cops get abolished, they might, right?
ian crossland
I'm just gonna shout out- They want more police.
iancrossland.net, which is my website, and that you can follow me at iancrossland, but also LaDuff is back, so- Yeah, shout out your show, man!
tim pool
And your social media, what do you got?
unidentified
What is your show called?
charlie leduff
Are we on the new one?
lydia smith
No, we're on the old one, yeah.
unidentified
No BS News Hour.
lydia smith
Yes.
charlie leduff
No BS News Hour.
unidentified
And you're Charlie LaDuff on Twitter.
I don't remember.
ian crossland
I see you follow zero people.
That's awesome.
unidentified
Yeah, it's great.
ian crossland
I follow zero.
charlie leduff
The only man I ever followed was my grandfather.
lydia smith
There you go.
charlie leduff
The rest I'll have a talk with.
But I use the Twitters just to know what I'm doing, what's going on.
Just like the No BS News Hour.
ian crossland
Sweet.
lydia smith
Love it.
unidentified
Thank you.
charlie leduff
Thank you for that.
unidentified
Now, when do we get to the part where we can drink whiskey?
tim pool
In about five minutes.
unidentified
Give us five minutes.
tim pool
Let Lydia shout out and then we'll get to that.
charlie leduff
Can I go get a cigarette?
ian crossland
I actually have my first beer ever on the show thanks to Charlie.
tim pool
Why don't you go grab your smoke right now?
charlie leduff
Oh, this was awesome.
Man, this was awesome.
lydia smith
I love it.
So much fun.
Fun guests.
There we go.
High fives all around.
unidentified
Heck yeah.
tim pool
We're going to be back with Charlie for the members only stuff.
He's going to grab a smoke.
lydia smith
Wait, he's going to give me a high five.
charlie leduff
I missed and here we go.
lydia smith
Oh no, my gosh.
No, we didn't see that.
We're good to go.
Thanks, Charlie, for keeping fake news.
unidentified
All right.
lydia smith
Hold on.
Let me do a quick shout out.
charlie leduff
I'm going to go see what your hippies are doing.
unidentified
Okay.
Nice.
Just come back up because we're going to... I'm good, but they're watching TV and not doing anything, bro.
lydia smith
Yeah, they're just hanging out.
unidentified
That's all good.
lydia smith
Okay, so I got onto Twitter and I was kind of upset about the Minnesota thing because Minnesota has voted blue every single election since 1984.
Okay, you guys?
They know what they're voting for.
They know what they're doing.
They gave us Ilhan Omar.
They gave us Keith Ellison.
They effing know what they're doing.
They're blue as heck.
And they understand what they're voting for.
So the fact that Minneapolis is going down in flames, I honestly encourage people to move out and toast your s'mores over the flames in Minneapolis.
Because what else can you do?
They understand what they're voting for.
They know what they're doing.
Anyway, enough incendiary talk.
I'm Sarah Patchlitz on Twitter if you want to follow me.
Here's Tim.
tim pool
We will see you all at TimCast.com in about an hour or so with the exclusive episode with Charlie the Duff.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you there.
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