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April 8, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Biden Publicly DENIES Constitutional Rights To Push Gun Control w/Jim Hanson
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well they said they weren't coming for your guns but they come in for your guns
tim pool
And for a while now, I've been talking about these articles and things I've read that allude to a second Civil War or Cold Civil War.
And one thing I often hear from people is like, Tim, nothing's gonna happen in that capacity until they come for your guns.
And I was like, bro, Joe Biden's gonna come for your guns.
Beto O'Rourke said it.
Well, today, Joe Biden asserted that constitutional amendments are not absolute, which is technically correct, But, he said that in order to justify his executive action on gun control, which you cannot do.
Now look, I gotta be honest, I think these executive orders will get struck down, the Supreme Court's gonna throw them out.
But the guy's clearly trying to do it, and we're probably gonna see red flag legislation from Congress, and a lot of these people, these establishment liberal types, Like, not even the socialist type.
Socialist types, they like the guns.
But these run-of-the-mill liberals have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to these laws, and it's going to get bad for everybody.
It's going to result in unintended consequences.
And what's really happening, in my opinion, is that Joe Biden is throwing red meat to a bunch of regular, like, uninitiated, politically ignorant people who have no idea what's going on.
These rules and regulations will do nothing but cause suffering and harm.
And we're going to talk about what Joe Biden said, because he pushed several misconceptions about our constitutional rights.
He said you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.
He said, back when the Second Amendment was made, you couldn't buy whatever gun you wanted.
That's also incorrect.
Privateers were a thing for a long time, and I actually fact-checked all that.
So we're going to get into it.
We got a bunch of other stories, too.
Jordan Peterson is embracing the memes about Red Skull, and it's hilarious because people are now taking Red Skull images, this Nazi villain, and putting Jordan Peterson quotes on them, and I think it's fantastic.
So we actually have a really great guest who can talk to us about all of these things.
We have former Special Forces Jim Hansen, also author.
Do you want to introduce yourself a little bit?
jim hanson
Yeah, I guess the book we're going to talk about tonight, one of them, is winning the Second Civil War without firing a shot.
And that kind of implies that if need be, we could fire a shot.
The goal is to avoid that.
And I think the idea now, you said, we're not, we can't have a Second Civil War until they come for the guns.
Well, they are.
And they're going to.
And they have some high constitutional hurdles, is the fortunate thing.
Justice Scalia, before he died, did the Republic a massive favor by writing the D.C.
v. Heller opinion.
which codified an individual right to own a weapon irrespective of any militia service
and that that weapon should be in common use and useful for service in a militia.
What kind of gun do you think a foot soldier in the militia would carry these days?
I think an AR-15 is exactly it and so did Scalia.
tim pool
I've got one correction for you.
jim hanson
Hit me.
tim pool
We're in a second Civil War.
The idea is just that people expect it to be exactly what happened, you know, a hundred plus years ago, whatever.
What it's going to look like, it's going to be new weapons, it's going to be new methods, new technology.
And the reason I say it this way is it was a Princeton professor who said we're in a cold Civil War.
This was published on The Hill.
And all these lefties are like, Tim Pool is the one asserting this.
Bro, I'm just reading the news.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So we're in it.
We're in this conflict.
And a lot of people... I'll tell you this.
I know we're gonna get a little in the weeds, but this is supposed to be the intro.
But we had Ryan Long on.
You know Ryan Long, the comedian?
And he was like, so the first thing he does in the intro, he's like, so Tim, where's this civil war?
You had me freaked out.
And I was like, on January 6th, a bunch of people stormed into the Capitol.
And he went...
Oh, yeah.
jim hanson
What about all last year?
BLM and Antifa killed dozens, injured hundreds of cops, caused $2 billion worth of damage, seized government buildings, some of them for weeks on end.
In Seattle, they had a police station for more than weeks.
If that's not an insurrection, I don't know what one is.
And I do know what one is.
tim pool
Just Washington, D.C.
Everything else was ignored by the media.
That was a protest.
Wasn't it Garland who was like, well, it wasn't terrorism because it was at night.
jim hanson
Merrick Garland's a disgrace.
Here's the thing, we have to have one set of rules, all right?
If you want to say that there were some people who went to the Capitol who actually had insurrection in mind, there were.
It was less than a handful, but there were people who did that.
The rest of them were glorified trespassers.
tim pool
Well, and right, and there's videos of the doors being opened by the cops.
We'll get into all that stuff.
So you also have a book about white fragility.
Was it The Myth of White Fragility?
So we've got, we got some stories relating to cancel culture, comics, wokeness, we'll get into all that as well.
So glad to have you, man.
We also got Ian, he's chilling.
ian crossland
Yes, Ian from iancrossland.net.
unidentified
And I think we are not In a civil war.
ian crossland
So I think this will be a wonderful debate from all angles, and I'm very excited to hear your thoughts and feelings on that, Jim, in the future.
lydia smith
They're fixing the mic over there.
ian crossland
Yeah, I just kept talking louder and slower.
lydia smith
You're just getting louder and louder, slowly accelerating.
Yeah, I'm Sara Petulitz.
I'm really excited about this conversation because my boss is so into the whole civil war thing, and I'm excited for the positivity and optimism.
tim pool
Right on.
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Let's jump into this first story.
We're going to talk about gun control.
Biden says no amendment in the Constitution is absolute and calls gun violence a public health crisis and embarrassment as he prepares to sign six executive orders cracking down on firearms.
There's two things I want to highlight as we start this conversation.
He says, nothing I'm about to recommend in any way impinges on the Second Amendment.
You mean infringes?
Yeah, he didn't say that word.
These are phony arguments suggesting that these are Second Amendment rights at stake.
No amendment to the Constitution is absolute, Biden declared.
And then he points to the famous Supreme Court ruling from, I think it's 1919, that you can't yell fire in a crowded theater, and that was Schenck.
As part of the First Amendment's free speech clause, which is wrong, because in Brandenburg v. Ohio, I believe it was, 1969, they ruled, actually, you can yell fire in a crowded theater.
Joe Biden has to know, I'm assuming he knows that, or he's a moron.
I'm assuming he knows it, because he has legal experts who actually help craft these executive order policies.
He wouldn't be saying stupid garbage, unless he's trying to mislead people, because this is what they do.
jim hanson
Or he hadn't had his nap yet and he might have been a little slow.
tim pool
That's fair point, absolutely.
unidentified
I would like to point out that impinge is a word.
tim pool
I know.
I was saying he's not saying infringe because that's actually what's in the Constitution.
unidentified
Yeah.
I see.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
unidentified
He's getting cheeky.
jim hanson
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
unidentified
But impinged?
I guess maybe that's up for debate.
tim pool
It works.
I'm just saying, he didn't want to get too close to actually using the language.
That would make people go, oh, I see what you're doing.
Check this out.
He said, from the very beginning, you couldn't own any weapon you wanted to own.
That's a lie.
And from the very beginning of the Second Amendment existed certain people weren't allowed to have weapons.
So the idea is just bizarre to suggest that some of the things we're recommending are contrary to the Constitution.
So here's what's going to happen.
You get these lies over and over again.
The first thing I'm going to say, studies have found liberals on Twitter, for the most part, only follow liberals, whereas conservatives follow both conservatives and liberals.
It has changed a little bit for the most part, though, it is still true.
The other thing we see is that liberals get about 95% of their news from liberal sources.
Moderates get 60% of their news.
They get about two-thirds from liberal and one-third from conservative, and conservatives are inverted, getting about two-thirds from conservative and one-third from liberal news sources.
What this means is that people we call liberals are in bubbles.
They don't have any idea what's actually going on outside that bubble, and then you get the media telling them lies.
So now people are going to hear this over and over and over again.
You can't yell fire in a crowded theater!
See, free speech has limits!
Okay, well, you're wrong.
That was overruled in, I think, 1969.
Then they say you couldn't own any gun you wanted to.
USA Today fact-checked this, and a bunch of historians were like, there actually weren't really any laws limiting the right of private citizens in the Revolutionary War era from owning military-grade weapons.
Cannons, artillery, grapeshot, all that stuff.
And then when they talk about, yeah, well, muzzleloaded rifles, muskets, took a minute to reload!
Yes, and they had volley guns since 1339, I think.
A volley gun is when they have a bunch of different barrels all loaded, and you have one trigger pull which fires all of them off, which is fully automatic.
unidentified
So...
tim pool
Biden is wrong.
He is outright denying our constitutional rights in order to justify his executive orders, which violates the Constitution.
So moving into this bigger conversation, we'll talk about guns and about Second Civil War and all that stuff.
A lot of people have said, You know, they view Second Civil War or Civil War as like factions marching down the street.
I don't think that's what it'll look like.
I think it'll be more like insurgency if it does get to the point of violence.
But we've already seen Proud Boys and Antifa and right-wing and left-wing groups clash.
More importantly, it's a cold civil war.
And this is one of the elements of it.
Telling you your rights don't exist, and then passing executive orders, that's despotic.
Trump, the worst thing Trump did was the bump stock ban.
Because that was, now I think the Supreme Court, or I'm sorry, one court has ruled, I think it was with the ninth district, I could be wrong, that bump stocks are not machine guns.
So that may actually get overturned.
But they complain all day about Donald Trump's executive orders.
Well, here's Joe Biden.
jim hanson
Well, and here's the thing.
When you talk about a civil war, OK, shooting in the streets happened already.
All right.
So we have had that.
But what about information warfare, which we are constantly bombarded with?
What about the fact that, like you said, the constitutional rights are being trampled upon in a way that if the left was actually trying to spark an insurrection, what would they do differently?
All right, they're isolating us on social media and shutting down our right to speech.
They're trying to disarm us.
They have declared whiteness to be an evil thing.
So they're othering an entire large segment of the population.
And they're using police powers against us.
They're refusing to let the police help people during the riots.
They actually had the police called off.
What would they do different if they weren't actually trying to turn this into a hot war?
ian crossland
Would you consider what Mao did with the Communist Cultural Revolution a civil war, a Chinese civil war?
jim hanson
Probably more on the purge side from him, you know, because that was using police state powers against it.
I think we're still empowered enough as conservatives or people of the right, whatever you consider yourself.
I mean, I'm a libertarian conservative.
tim pool
Even moderates.
jim hanson
Even moderates.
tim pool
I'm not a particularly conservative person.
The interesting thing is that I get labeled conservative for simply telling the truth.
jim hanson
And not being a statist.
So if you're an anti-statist, you automatically get lumped on that side of the political spectrum.
tim pool
determines whether you're left or right, not your political policies.
We had Jack Murphy and Michael Mouse in here, and I got into arguments about the wealthy and their ability to influence elections with dumping massive amounts of money.
And I said, I'm against it.
I don't think these people should have this much power, much more traditionally left position.
You're not going to see these grifters on social media take those clips of me screaming like, these billionaires and millionaires are manipulating our elections.
They don't want to show that, because then I'm not right wing anymore and they need me to be.
jim hanson
Well, and the dividing line is not right or left as much as it is statist or libertarian individualist.
If you believe you can best determine what you should be doing as long as you're not hurting other people, then you're on my team.
If you believe the state or the solons of the woke left know better than you how to live your life and what you should do, then you're on the other team and you're my enemy.
And I don't mind saying you're my enemy because they're trying to push us out of polite society.
They're trying to criminalize conservatism or the ideas that they find offensive.
And I find that offensive.
tim pool
Right.
And I'll tell you this.
Ian brings up a good point about China because, you know, Ian asks about what Mao did.
You say it's more of a purge.
And I thought to myself, you know what?
You're right.
Maybe it's not a second civil war because conservatives, for the most part, aren't fighting it.
jim hanson
Well, but we need to.
And that's why.
I wrote the book for one reason.
And the problem with the right is that we tell, oh, eagles don't flock.
You know, I'm not going to be part of a movement or do anything.
So they can pick us off one by one.
So they can do things like let Twitter shut us down.
Like you guys were looking for my Twitter account tonight.
Guess what?
You can't find it because they grayed me out.
They put a sensitive filter so you can't even find me by name because they don't like what I say.
I haven't violated their rules.
tim pool
Yeah.
jim hanson
Not a single one.
Ever.
tim pool
They banned Josie, the right-headed libertarian, for literally no reason.
It's a libertarian account.
She interacts.
She's a friend of ours.
And they just deleted her.
ian crossland
It's in their terms of service.
They can ban anyone for no reason at any time.
jim hanson
And they will.
It's a social media credit score.
And they're doing that.
How they do it, what algorithms they're using to actually do it, I don't know.
But it's obvious they're doing it because I haven't violated, I haven't gotten a single strike.
And yet, you don't even see my face.
You see a grayed out profile picture when you go to my Twitter feed.
tim pool
Look, the social credit system is legit.
They might not have a legitimate score or algorithm that calculates it, but we know it's real.
Like, you're the wrong kind of person with the wrong opinions, and then all of a sudden you start getting banned from different platforms if you don't break the rules.
You start getting suppressed and shadow banned, and then they ultimately ban you if your opinions are bad.
jim hanson
And that's why we got to stand up.
That's why the people who are not statist, not totalitarian, unwoke, based, white pillars, whatever we want to be, I don't care.
But we got to band together against it and stand up and say no.
ian crossland
So how do we prevent a purge and a civil war without firing a shot?
jim hanson
The first thing you got to do is stand up and fight because too many people on the right have been complacent.
We were focused on other things.
It's one of the things I talk about in the book.
The right thought that if we just focus on foreign policy and national security and business and then the Constitution will keep us safe.
They can't take that away, can they?
And we found out we were wrong.
tim pool
Well, define fight.
jim hanson
Fight in the figurative term.
And let me give you, how about, let's do a disclaimer.
tim pool
But I mean like, sorry, I didn't think you meant literally go physically fight people.
Just like, what would a person have to do to be engaged in this cultural battle?
jim hanson
Yeah, but first let's give the disclaimer so that when people come after you, they don't blame you for my bunk.
Neither Tim nor I want a civil war or an insurrection, and this is in no way considered to be a call for anything like that, not a dog whistle or anything else.
You losers.
Now, figuratively, how we can fight is by banding together and standing up.
And we have to actually change our focus.
We never used to do that.
Did conservatives go to PTA meetings?
You know, did we get involved in state and local politics?
No, we didn't think we had to.
We thought that the Constitution of First Amendment, Second Amendment were sacrosanct.
They're not.
They're coming for us.
So if they're coming for us, we have to play the same game.
And like Andrew Breitbart said, These people are evil.
tim pool
They are. Look, I grew up with this very pragmatic, you know, very middle of the road view. I was
pretty far left when I was younger and I always had this view where it's like there's no real
good or evil. Everyone's the hero of their own story. And now as I'm older you start to really
see it and experience it. It's an interesting thing you hear a lot from people about how when
they get older they start to become, they start to believe more in a higher power, more faith-based,
especially when they have kids.
I'm not getting religious, I'm just saying, man, you really start to understand what evil is once you get older, you get involved in politics, you see what these people do.
The number one example that really just like, Was when I when I heard this one thing, that's when my heart sank and I was like, wow, I have been too nice to people.
It was when AOC referred to the child detention centers as influx facilities with controversial records.
She spends what during the Trump administration concentration camp over and over and over again.
Trump shut down the Homestead facility.
Biden reopened it.
And AOC, who had called it a concentration camp, today says influx facility with controversial record.
jim hanson
And I was like, wow!
unidentified
That is evil!
jim hanson
So what's she gonna wear?
Is she gonna wear black this time versus the white outfit?
She's gotta have a different outfit because it's a different administration.
Understand the simplest thing, which you just outlined.
Everybody, they will say whatever they have to, Because they're just after power.
They want power to tell everyone what to do because they don't believe people make the decisions that they believe need to be made.
And they think it's a question of good and evil.
Like you said, they think they are the forces of good, stopping evil from destroying the planet.
You know, it's not just that you don't believe in climate change, you're killing the planet.
tim pool
I'm not convinced of that.
I'm not convinced they actually want to.
I don't think they have a moralistic goal.
They just want power for the sake of power.
They want to be able to tell you to shut up and do as you're told, because we're the boss now.
I've seen it.
I've been on the ground with these activists.
You can see it.
And you brought up something about, you know, the statist versus the libertarian.
I think that really is a good point, because you take a look at the conservative never-Trumpers, or even if you can call them conservative, I don't even know.
They're Democrats now.
Yeah.
They're on board.
Jennifer Rubin for The Washington Post.
She's now attacking the media for asking Biden questions.
She's gone full authoritarian statist.
jim hanson
And that's opportunist.
You know, they're opportunists who followed the money and they followed the status quo that allowed them to keep their influence.
And, you know, they didn't care.
Their principles mattered less than their access to power.
And I think it's exactly the correct answer.
tim pool
Principles lack thereof.
They didn't have any to begin with.
ian crossland
And we learned that.
I think the good and evil thing is so dangerous.
It's so subjective, how you're raised, what you think is right and what you think is wrong.
And to establish public policy based on what you feel is so dangerous.
I think Biden thinks he's doing good in protecting people by doing this.
tim pool
How would you define evil, Ian?
ian crossland
Exactly.
Ripping someone's heart out and lifting it up in front of a crowd of people.
But 600 years ago in Mexico, in the Aztec culture, that was no problem.
That was good.
jim hanson
But that was evil.
Why can't we say that was evil?
Hurting innocent people is evil.
tim pool
It doesn't matter what they think.
ian crossland
Define innocent.
jim hanson
Innocent is someone who has done no harm to someone else.
You know, if you've got something, if you want to get the simple nuance.
Okay, but it's not very nuanced.
You know, if you've got a thing where you say, I am going to actively be violent against someone else based on my beliefs, then you're evil.
tim pool
If you, if you believe, if, if a person says to your face, Ian, concentration camps are here and, and they're right there in Florida and then come out and tell you, okay, so first let me ask you, Ian, do you think concentration camps are evil?
ian crossland
That's a big question.
tim pool
I don't think it's a hard question, because I don't think you'll find a single human, a single human, who's going to agree.
When China denies what's going on with the Uighur Muslims, they actively go, no, that's not happening here.
They're lying.
It's not true.
You know why?
If they thought it was good, they'd say, we absolutely do this.
But they know it's wrong, so they lie about it, because everyone thinks it's wrong.
ian crossland
Well, like, World War II, they established concentration camps for Japanese-Americans.
unidentified
That's right.
jim hanson
Because they were afraid they were- A concentration camp implies that you're killing people.
ian crossland
Interesting.
So an internment camp would be different.
jim hanson
That's a different form of a prison camp.
It was wrong.
And it's a different kind.
And it was actually evil, I believe.
tim pool
For the sake of this argument, let's just say, OK, fine.
We absolutely did.
That was wrong.
We paid reparations for it.
And even people look back and they, conservatives look back and they say that was evil.
That was wrong.
And even liberals look back and say that was evil.
That was wrong.
So, yes, many people, many cultures have done evil things.
And then later on, as we improve, we say that was evil.
You know, so when I look at evil, I look at someone telling you that concentration camps are evil, and then a year later, once they've attained power, they say, ours are justified.
When AOC was screaming that Donald Trump's power was illegitimate, and we were like, oh, okay, it turns out all she really cared about was she wanted her party to have it.
And once the Democrats came in, once they won, now Joe Biden's president, They're just influx facilities, and you know what AOC said?
One solution would be to get them appropriate licenses.
So you mean to tell me that this was evil, but now you entirely support it, now that your guy's in charge?
jim hanson
Are they gonna outsource it and have now private prisons for the immigrant children?
They're gonna shut down the actual private prisons, but we'll open new private prisons because we have to have a nice place for our influx of children?
tim pool
So, so this is the easiest one.
You know why?
AOC herself referred to it as evil.
Now she's supporting it.
Well, she would be supporting it with some caveats.
Okay.
If you tell me it's evil, then you come out and say, can we get some approval from the government for these things?
We just need a license.
I'm like, oh, okay.
So you enjoy being evil.
ian crossland
Yeah.
You know, justifying it, something legally doesn't necessarily make it good.
You know, bombing a city because those people are planning to destroy your country.
jim hanson
That's self-defense.
All right, now let's differentiate.
You've got good and evil, right?
Then when you get into self-defense, all right, how far forward can you go?
lydia smith
Right.
jim hanson
I think that person's gonna hurt me, so I shot him in the head.
Well, okay.
You have to have a legitimate threat that you can stand up, but then you're responsible for the consequences of your actions.
And you can be judged, even if you think your intentions are good, You can be judged based on the outcome of what you did.
And you should be.
And we hold people accountable.
That's why we can now say internment camps for Japanese in World War II were evil.
That was an evil thing the United States did.
Slavery, evil thing the United States did.
Not letting women vote, evil thing the United States did.
What's the one thing about all those?
We said they were wrong.
We changed them.
And now we can look back and say we're making progress towards being less evil every day.
And that's the goal.
You can never get to good.
Good's way too subjective.
But evil, I think, is easy.
tim pool
And all you need do is look at their own words.
When they say, this is wrong, we must fight it.
And we go, okay, we agree.
Let's get you into office so that you can fight it.
And they go, nah, we'll keep it.
Actually, I got a good question for you, Ian.
Was Isildur, was he wrong?
ian crossland
Isildur, the one ring?
tim pool
Yeah, when Alron said, destroy it!
Cast it into the fire!
And he went, No.
ian crossland
His soul was corrupted by the power?
tim pool
Corrupted by the power.
Would you call that evil?
ian crossland
Not to him.
tim pool
It doesn't matter what he thinks, we all watched him.
ian crossland
Well, it's very subjective.
It depends on who you ask.
tim pool
No, listen.
ian crossland
I got to watch it from the outside.
tim pool
That's right.
And everyone on Middle Earth knew, and Elrond said it could have ended that day, and it should have.
But as soon as he had the ring in his hand, he says, No way!
And he walked out of Mount Doom.
And he kept that ring.
And then it made everything worse.
And that's exactly what I'm talking about.
When libertarian individuals, libertarian right or libertarian left, look at the One Ring, I'm using that as a metaphor, mind you, and we say, destroy it!
No one should have that power!
We mean it!
But along comes AOC, aka Gollum, going, Me wants it!
And then when she takes the ring, she goes, No, it's mine!
And then she runs out and she keeps it.
jim hanson
The only reason I can't go 100% with you on that is the ring, as he said, did corrupt their soul.
So that was not literally a determination.
Like, AOC did it of free will.
All right, Isildur did not have free will because of the influence of the ring.
AoC's got no ring to blame.
She's just got wokeness to blame.
tim pool
When Boromir tried to take the ring from Frodo, Aragorn kneeled before Frodo and closed his hand.
He made the choice.
The Ring could corrupt you, but some people had the power to resist.
And Galadriel also resisted.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
That's right.
But she was, you know, an elf.
jim hanson
And that's strength of character and stuff.
So you've got strong people and weak people, just as you do now.
And so you've got people who like power, like AOC, more than they like being good.
tim pool
The Lord of the Rings really is a great metaphor.
The Ring of Power.
I do use it a lot because it's brilliant writing.
It's a brilliant metaphor or allegory for how these political systems work.
Everyone fights because the power is evil.
But the moment they're holding it and they realize, I could do so much with this.
It's like in The Fellowship of the Ring when Boromir is like, it is a gift.
Let us use the weapon against our enemies.
You can't wield it.
No one can.
And that's exactly what ends up happening.
You get people like AOC, who says this stuff about concentration camps.
You get these other Democrats who are like, now that I'm in power, I'll do it right.
So you know what happens?
This is why communism doesn't work.
One of the reasons.
Just one.
It's because these idealistic revolutionaries think the ends justify the means.
We must use violence, they say, because we have to overthrow the evil oppressors.
Then once they're in power, they still say, but we're at threat from the evil oppressors.
A good example?
The Berlin Wall was called the anti-fascist protection rampart.
The Soviet Union, one of the second most powerful militaristic bloc on the planet, was acting like they were at threat from the fascists.
So they built the Berlin Wall and they killed people who dared cross it.
That's evil.
We can see that.
You know, there are real challenges to being a good person.
That's why I always talk about how the libertarian spectrum is harder to be on than the authoritarian, and the libertarian left is damn near impossible for those that are libertarian left, true libertarian left, because libertarian leftists are trying to convince people through goodwill.
At least the libertarian right has money, and they can talk about trade and persuasion.
But it's very difficult because the authoritarians will lie, cheat, and steal, and take everything you have.
And so what happens now is, as you pointed out, eagles don't flock.
Good people of good conscience who say, I want you to be free, I want you to be happy and pursue happiness and not be constrained by authoritarianism and those who would manipulate you to steal from you.
Well, the other people don't do that.
The establishment doesn't do that.
They're the ones saying the world is going to end unless we intervene and tell them what to do and we take over.
And it works.
jim hanson
And their intentions are good.
Their intentions are good, but they understand human nature doesn't allow people to do what they want.
So in order to get them to do what they want, the new Wokeness, which is the brand since socialism's busted and communism's busted, liberalism's busted, progressivism's busted.
So Wokeness says, we must do this because the people who oppose it are killing the planet.
You know, it's not just that you don't want black people to succeed.
You want to destroy the black community.
You're actually a threat.
It's not just that your speech is something I don't want to hear.
It's violence that's hurting people.
So we have to shut you up.
And that's what they want.
unidentified
It sounds like the Communist Chinese Party is woke.
jim hanson
That's where it came from.
They're no longer communists.
Our people are communists.
That's what it actually is.
Our people stole Marx and the Soviet Union and the Stasi and the CCP's plans and they built wokeness out of that.
They just got better marketing.
That's all they got.
They got American-style PR.
That's the only difference.
They are communist totalitarians.
tim pool
That's a powerful weapon.
I love the projection of it all.
I love the projection of it all.
If anyone in this country has any similarities to the Nazi party, it's the identitarian left.
You can actually look at the things they preach.
They're pro-segregation.
I saw this on Reddit today.
I think it was in Wholesome Memes, is one of the subreddits where the memes are, you know, wholesome.
And it was Martin Luther King Jr.
looking angry, and it said, judging people on the color of their skin.
Then it showed him smiling, and it said, judging people on the content of their character.
All the comments were like, could you imagine someone who disagreed with this?
And I was like, wow, have you taken a look at the U.S.
military?
Have you taken a look at the Pentagon?
Have you taken a look at schools lately?
The New York City schools want to do, I'm sorry, Sacramento District want to do racial affinity groups where they segregate everybody based on race?
Sorry, these people don't support Dr. King's dream.
Their ideology is fascistic.
I wouldn't call it fascism, because it's not the same thing.
It's authoritarianism, and it adopted many of the tenets from fascism.
And David Graeber, who was a very famous activist, anthropologist, he was an anarchist, he didn't like being called that apparently, but he pointed this out on Twitter a few years ago.
The late David Graeber, you know.
He was one of the voices behind Occupy Wall Street.
And he tweeted a few years ago that elements of the left have begun adopting fascistic strategies and tactics.
They believe there is no truth but power.
That's exactly it.
This is why the narrative changes and there's no rules.
To these people in the establishment and the woke left, there is no truth but power.
That means they will lie to you and tell you insane things.
It's exactly why we saw so many prominent Black Lives Matter activists Well, it's projection.
and saying slurs against Asian people for years.
Now that the anti-Asian hate thing has become a big movement, now all of a sudden they flip-flopped.
But now they're getting canceled for it.
The rules don't matter.
jim hanson
But it's projection.
That's the best thing about the left is whenever you see them saying something about the right,
it's projection of what they feel inside.
So they literally do have racist tendencies.
They do have, you know, tendencies against Asians.
They have fascistic tendencies.
And they call us Nazis, me being a person of the right, they call us Nazis because they want that kind of power.
I don't want that kind of power.
You know, I'm not saying I know better than you how you should live your life.
I'm saying you should have the right to live your life as long as you're not harming other people.
They say you are harming the planet and all of its inhabitants with your ideas and beliefs.
I must stop you from doing it, therefore I need the power, as you said.
tim pool
But a lot of these people know that the average person views what they're doing as wrong, so they have to lie about it.
That's why I mentioned this meme where Dr. King is saying, judge people based on the content of their character, because most people agree with that.
In order to instill racist, Nazi-like ideology, they have to use clever semantic games like anti-racist.
Are you anti-racist?
It's not enough to not be racist, you must be anti-racist.
And then you ask them what anti-racism means, and you know what Ibram X. Kendi says?
It means you must discriminate against people on the basis of race.
I'm pretty sure Dr. King said not to do that.
Oh, but they don't care.
They don't actually believe him.
This is the one thing that really gets these people.
Whenever I'm talking to a woke person, I'll ask them.
The first thing I will ask him is, do you believe in Dr. King's dream?
I've actually now started hearing him say no.
jim hanson
It's in my other book, The Myth of White Fragility, taking down Robin DiAngelo's disgraceful book.
She says in there that Dr. King's dream of colorblindness is a problem.
So does Kendi.
You know, they say that you can't have a colorblind society because there is so much systemic racism and institutional injustice that you have to actively be an anti-racist and be racist.
So it's essentially building a new Jim Crow.
All right.
They want a new Jim Crow.
And it's not about voting laws.
It's about who gets to be the upper side now.
So they want to flip things because white people were bad before.
We need to now elevate black people and people of color and go ahead and make that the actual legitimate power balance.
tim pool
I don't think they actually care about white people.
I think they just want power and they found a path to get it.
And it doesn't matter which race they trample on.
That's why they ragged on Asians for so long.
jim hanson
Interesting.
We're a good target, you know, because we were oppressors.
You know, they've got that.
They can't take that away.
There was oppression.
There was slavery.
There was women couldn't vote.
All those things are true.
Bald white guys in bad wigs wrote a bunch of crazy stuff.
Right.
But we also fixed it.
unidentified
Right.
jim hanson
And we gave those powers up.
tim pool
You look at how they actually claimed Asians were more privileged for a long time.
And that's why I think the issue where they go after whiteness is that it's an easy way to go to someone and say, all of your problems come from someone else.
It's demagoguery.
They accused Trump of doing the exact same thing when Trump did to a certain degree, but not nearly as much as they do.
When they say whiteness over and over again and privilege and all that stuff, they're basically just telling people the reason you failed is not your fault.
It's that guy over there.
It's brilliant.
I saw this great meme from a leftist on Facebook.
It's one of those Twitter memes where it says, employees, colon, we need better wages and healthcare because we're suffering and dying.
And then it says, capital, colon, no.
And then it says, woke capital, no, hashtag BLM, rainbow flag, heart.
And I gotta say, I love that meme.
While I certainly don't agree with their view on capitalism, at least they're starting to notice the corporatist establishment is not going to give the leftists what they want.
They're just going to put a rainbow flag up and say, now you can't be mad at us.
jim hanson
Well, and what I love most, though, is they they needed an enemy.
All right.
And like you said, OK, it's not so much maybe they don't actually believe the white people a problem.
I think they do.
But they made whiteness evil.
They turned they turned it into an ideology.
It doesn't exist.
Whiteness didn't exist for me.
I've been white for a long time.
All right.
I didn't have a methodology towards my whiteness.
I didn't wake up and say, OK, nine to nine thirty.
I'm going to oppress black people.
You know, nine forty five.
I'll switch to trans people.
No, I was busy living my life.
But they othered us.
They used their own methodology, and now they've got someone to go against, and they've got something to, they've got spoils.
Because what they did is they take their identity groups, right, and they create a grievance, and they take that grievance to someone who has something they want, and they use their power, they aggregate power, by delivering the spoils to their identity group.
The problem is, they've run into the circular firing squad problem.
They can't rectify among their identity groups The problems they have, because you've got black people beating up Asians, you know, you've got a lot of issues.
And Jews.
And Jews.
And you've got problems between these groups that are not just cognitive dissonance, they're ideological dissonance.
And they can't rectify that.
tim pool
You remember what happened in the UK when the Muslims were protesting the LGBT curriculums in schools?
It was really weird because you'd have these woke people come out and start arguing with Muslims and you'd have like women in like full niqab and then you have a man screaming in the face of a woke person who's confused and there was one video where the guy's like I'm here to help you I'm on your side I'm here to help you and they're like no you're not!
The Muslim guy's like this is degeneracy and you're wrong and I'm like I wonder if these people who truly believe their insane psychobabble have ever actually spoken with a religious conservative person.
And I don't mean a Christian.
I mean, when they come out, they, you know, I had a friend who has a picture of a woman in a hijab and it says something like hope or something like, you know, hope underneath it.
And I'm like, it's really fascinating that you are propping up religious conservatism.
And like, because Islam is substantially more traditional than even modern Christianity in the United States.
jim hanson
It's totalitarian if it's implemented the way, you know, the Salafists do.
And that's the fun part.
There's this perfect circular firing squad right there is you've got people who hate gays and want to hang them from
cranes Arguing with a gay dude who's telling them that they're
oppressed and arguing about a curriculum that they don't want in their school
There's no way you could square that circle and that's that's how we beat them. But that's how we beat him the issue is I
tim pool
Don't think I think the circular firing squad matters to a certain degree you're right
Right now we've got this school board member in California.
They're demanding she resign because she said a bunch of disparaging things about Asian people.
But at the time they were allowed to do that.
It was part of their ideology to disparage Asians.
Now that they can't do that, they're coming for, you know, Circular Filing Squad, Firing Squad.
But this person said, I'm not quitting, I don't care.
And how long until they just move on to the next stupid nonsense and start claiming that, you know, who knows what the next thing's gonna be?
Just some ridiculous form of oppression that a minority group will have.
It's like, oh, you know, people with long fingernails that, you know, they just grow too long, so, you know, they're oppressed.
People who eat too much, they're oppressed, we know that.
jim hanson
Here's where I think it might bite them, is they invented this several generations of entitled grievance mongers, I call them, right?
Who've been told that it's not your fault, it's those people's fault.
Now they work at places like Google.
You familiar with Timnit Gebru?
No.
She was the head of Google's artificial intelligence ethics team.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
jim hanson
She's a black woman.
She built a team of the purple-haired, freakazoid robots and all her best friends, right?
They wanted to publish a paper The problem was it went through Google's review board and they said, first of all, the science is kind of garbage.
Second of all, you're trashing our company.
And third of all, this is basically just woke grievances, right?
Fix it or we're not going to let you put it out under our name.
And they launched it.
And then Google fired her.
Right, and all of a sudden it's not because she violated both scientific principles, academic principles,
and company policy, it's because she's black.
And now she's got thousands of Google employees who are backing her play because she's been told,
you're not wrong, you're just being oppressed, right?
If you're black at Google, and you don't get everything you want, you have a right to demand that they meet your grievances.
tim pool
James Damore was an excellent example of how insane the ideology is.
So you're familiar with James Damore, I imagine?
Ian, are you familiar?
So for those that aren't familiar, he wrote a letter about ways to improve the workplace between men and women.
And it was based on scientific research.
And he was like sharing with people and then a bunch of feminists got really offended by it.
And then he ended up losing his job.
There was a lawsuit.
I think they settled.
The funny thing is, James Damore's document was actually based upon modern feminist theory.
It said things like workplaces were designed by men for men.
And that we need to change things to better suit women.
According to a study, women prefer social experiences more so than like top-down and isolated work environments.
If men prefer X and women prefer Y, the workplace must be some combination of the two to accommodate for women.
The women said, how dare you imply women are inherently one way or another?
We're angry.
You should be fired.
To reiterate how insane that is, he was literally saying that Google's work environment was built
by patriarchy and that he needed, they needed to accommodate the female, the woman better.
And so they got mad and demanded he lose his job. The women did. Isn't that amazing?
He's basically agreeing with everything they've been saying.
jim hanson
You can't accommodate them.
That's the thing.
You can't accommodate them.
And what they figured out is all they need is a disparity of outcome.
All right.
You say we have a disparity.
There are too few black engineers, you know, with freckles working at Google.
Therefore, that's a racist, systemic issue that they have to deal with.
And then they jump right from there, instead of looking at outcomes, and say, well, maybe there aren't a lot of black, freckled people who get into the tech field.
Maybe that's why there aren't as many at Google.
They're like, no, no, no, no, it's racism.
So they skip the step of the scientific process that says you identify a disparate outcome and then you look at potential causes, identify the ones that correlate the best.
They jump straight from that to systemic racism.
But the problem is that eliminates any look at root causes and you can never fix it.
So that's where equity comes in.
tim pool
So one really great example of the corruption.
Colleges.
Now majority female.
Many colleges, I should say, are majority female.
So men are now the minority in colleges.
Do we now start abolishing all of the women's programs, women's scholarships, and creating men's ones?
I don't think so. So you think the majority should get privileged money and access and resources?
What are you a bigot? Shouldn't the minorities be the one who get help because they're in the
minority? Well, that would be like dudes in college at this point, because it's mostly women.
jim hanson
And here's the thing that changed in my lifetime.
When I was in elementary school, that was when they started that stuff.
And they said there aren't enough women going to college, there aren't enough.
So they literally, inside of several decades, managed to flip that on its head.
Now the question is, what do we want?
Do we want equality of outcome?
Do we want to make sure that every group in society is equally represented in every outcome that we can come up with?
Because that's what wokeness demands.
And it can't be met, because humans don't work that way.
So what we have to figure out is how do we get back to equality of opportunity?
Because that's all you can do.
And that's where I think our side needs to look at it and say, we can see the disparate outcome.
I agree with you there's too many black people in prison.
I don't want them in prison, except most of them committed crimes.
So how do we stop them committing crimes, not how do we get them out of prison?
tim pool
Well, there's interesting arguments about that.
Questions about whether or not, based on race, they'll get harsher sentences for the same crime, which there are stats that show.
And so the issue I see, there's real instances of racism, there's real instances of bias.
Historical racism has created a ripple effect throughout history in today's modern generation.
And an honest person, like, I think you'd hear this from Tucker Carlson, Of course there's racism.
We'd like to solve these problems, but these people are hustlers, they're grifters, they're manipulators.
They tell the privileged elites they're oppressed.
They would claim to you that Oprah Winfrey or Serena Williams are oppressed, meanwhile a homeless veteran sleeping under a gutter who happens to be white is the oppressor.
That's the insanity of their ideology.
Honest people say, yeah, you know, racism is a problem.
I think we've actually done a lot in this country to do away with it.
We've passed many new laws.
There's been new Supreme Court rulings.
We've done a tremendous job ending these things.
But there are remnants of these historical policies and actions in private and public affairs.
Redlining and blockbusting.
Very serious consequences for various people.
Well, The people on the left manipulate the goodwill of regular people who don't want racism, and they lie to them and tell them they can't advance.
ian crossland
Exactly.
We've done a lot of legal good to combat racism in the United States.
Emotional is like an up and down, back and forth situation.
And when we let the media tell us that we're different because of the colors of our skins, that kind of is damaging or undoing a lot of the good we can do to unify humans in our culture.
But I do agree that legally the United States has done a lot of positive things to bypass and break through the racist curtain.
jim hanson
And wokeness is re-segregating.
That's the problem.
Identity politics is re-segregation.
And they're breaking people out and saying, no, your skin color actually is more important than the content of your character.
And so we're going to put you in this block and you will vote with these people and you will identify with these people and you will get spoils from us.
Because you're one of these people, and that's the most destructive thing to what is a republic of equals I can even imagine, is to say that no, the intangible characteristics matter more than your character.
That offends me more than anything else they do.
And I think we can call out racism, we can call out these problems, and say we want to fix them and we want to help, but we have to do it by saying, yes, the content of your character matters more than the color of your skin.
tim pool
Let's talk about where this leads to as not only the result of this ideology, but one of the tactics in the ideology.
And we got the story from Newsweek, which I find absolutely sad.
It's sad and funny.
Police prepare for another hot summer of violent street clashes as US reopens.
Really?
Nothing's even happened yet!
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There's a cop playing basketball with the local kids, and they're all laughing.
One of the kids happens to be black, and the cop, he's, you know, he's going up to, you know, do a jump shot.
He jump shots, and then he bumps into one of the kids.
The kid falls over, and then everyone shows a clip of a cop bumping into a kid, knocking him over, and they're like, police brutality!
I'm exaggerating, obviously.
But the point I'm making is, you'll get something out of context.
You'll get some hearsay.
Some random rumor, and then all of a sudden, here we go again.
unidentified
You know what else that article is saying is?
ian crossland
Our company Newsweek is flailing and losing money, and we're desperate for clicks, so here's some rage bait crap.
jim hanson
Well, and here's the funny thing, though.
The cops are getting ready.
I'll tell you what the cops are getting ready to do.
They're loading their stuff to get out of the way for the riots, because their civilian leaders are not going to let them stop those riots.
And like you said, they got the most recent incident.
A cop shoots a kid who had a gun.
Doesn't matter that the kid had a gun.
You know, he was 15.
He had a gun.
He got shot.
The cops are supposed to shoot that kid when he points a gun at him.
They're not supposed to take a bullet.
tim pool
Let's talk about those two girls in D.C.
unidentified
who carjacked that guy, right?
tim pool
Carjacked him, committing a felony, killed him.
They're not going to get jail time.
Kyle Rittenhouse, defending a local business, chased and attacked by a violent rioter, violent rioters, fires in self-defense and immediately runs to get police assistance.
He's in jail.
ian crossland
Dude, those girls carjacked that guy and then hit the gas and murdered him.
Threw him out of his car and murdered him.
tim pool
No jail time.
jim hanson
At one level, 13 and 15, I'm like, they're not adults.
I'm hesitant to elevate that.
But it also sends a message that, oh, keep carjacking.
Now Rittenhouse will get off.
I have looked at that.
I'm actually writing a piece that I'm going to give to the defense justifying why that is self-defense by every legitimate legal standard.
But why did he get charged with first degree murder?
I'll tell you why.
Because Black Lives Matter intimidated The civilian leaders, through violence, into changing their policy and charging with that.
Now what's that?
tim pool
That's domestic terrorism.
It is.
ian crossland
We have no real leaders.
No one is immune to belligerence.
I mean, I just keep thinking of Nazi Germany, man.
They thought they were a democracy up until that point, the German people.
Violent coercion can happen at any time to any group of people.
So we have to be aware of that.
We have to be cognizant that that can take hold, man.
tim pool
There's no leaders, bro.
ian crossland
Define leader, I know.
tim pool
Where was the prosecutor from Wisconsin to walk out and say, I'm not charging him with a crime.
Have a nice day.
jim hanson
Same place the ones in Minneapolis were or anyplace else.
But here's the dangerous thing.
Black Lives Matter has now been told that violence to intimidate public policy works.
So they committed terrorist acts, those were used to change policy, and now they were rewarded with hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and the policies they want.
So we're in a situation where there are now two rules, all right?
We had an afternoon of violence at the Capitol, and that was the greatest insurrection and biggest threat to the Republic in the history of Earth.
And we had an entire year plus of insurrection by the left, and it's like, meh.
tim pool
You know, because, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.
No, no, no, no, no.
Those were peaceful protests.
ian crossland
Mostly.
tim pool
Mostly.
Fiery, but peaceful.
unidentified
93%.
jim hanson
That's one of the best chyrons ever.
And no.
tim pool
Fiery, but mostly peaceful protests.
jim hanson
But the threat of violence, it doesn't even have to be violence now.
Now here's where they won.
They committed the violence and they will again.
Because, hey, I mean, somebody needs flatscreen.
You know, we got flat screens are in high demand, but whatever justification they use to start the riots, those will happen.
The police will not stop them again.
And again, people now Kyle Rittenhouse was literally acting as a member of the militia, not the militia by name that Kenosha Guard or whatever it was.
But the in the Second Amendment, it is expected that in the absence of government authority to keep people safe, they have the right and the ability to protect themselves, themselves and their property.
So he went and protected property at the invitation of the owners.
tim pool
And he did not bring a gun across state lines.
jim hanson
No.
A friend gave him a gun.
Okay.
And the issues about should he have had the gun, he's 17.
Okay.
Those are legitimate.
Deal with those.
But that's administrative.
unidentified
Right.
jim hanson
The right of people in the absence of the police.
The police were stood down and pulled back and people's businesses and livelihoods and lives were threatened.
They have a right to have weapons and to protect themselves.
That's what the militia is.
tim pool
Here's another question.
Does the Second Amendment say a well-regulated militia being necessary for free estate, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless of course you are under the age of 18, you have a mental illness, you are a felon.
It doesn't actually say any of those things.
Now, I understand there's interpretations from the Supreme Court, but I wonder which of those would actually stand in the long run because back then, what, a 15-year-old was an adult?
They could have guns.
jim hanson
And I think Biden, as much as he is a doddering fool and an idiot and said some dumb things today, of course no amendment is absolute.
All right.
There are no actual absolutes in politics.
It's not possible to have an absolute in politics.
But what you can say is under the interpretations and the standing law and precedent right now, the things he's doing are unconstitutional as per Heller versus D.C.
or D.C.
versus Heller.
tim pool
You know what I would do if I was in Congress?
I would create the 2 plus 2 equals 4 bill, and it would simply say, Congress asserts that 2 plus 2 equals 4.
That's it.
You gonna vote on it or not?
Because they tried saying the woke people 2 plus 2 could equal 5.
ian crossland
I would probably filibuster that, because in base 3 math, there is no numeral 4.
You only have 0, 1, 2, and 3.
jim hanson
It's always the geek.
It's always that they gotcha.
ian crossland
I'm the nerd.
tim pool
But this is exactly the constructivist ideology.
That I can change the definition in order to make you wrong.
As opposed to admitting what we know is 2 plus 2 equals 4.
You can change the context, but now you're arguing something totally different.
It would be like, if we were playing baseball, and I said, if I hit this ball 100 feet, and it goes over that fence, it's a home run.
You'd go, well, some fences are at 75 feet.
Some are at 150 feet.
I'm like, I didn't ask that!
I'm talking about this fence right here!
So what they're doing is they're going, well, 2 plus 2 could equal 5, because what if we're saying 2.4 plus 2.4, which is 4.8, which rounded up is 5?
Well, you didn't say 2.4, did you?
ian crossland
So the point is— If you said in base 10, in base 5 or above, 2 plus 2 equals 4, I cannot deny that.
tim pool
What average person is thinking in anything other than base 10 right now?
ian crossland
Probably none of them, unfortunately.
tim pool
None of them.
So this is the constructivist ideology, to change the definition to manipulate the results.
jim hanson
Look at the best one they did, all right?
They changed the definition of racism so that you have to be in a position of power In order to be a racist so that black people and other people of color and other identity groups that are preferred victim groups cannot be racist.
That's garbage.
You know, once you do that, it's the same as saying, OK, now men, women, male, female.
OK, those words male, female still, I think, are XXXY.
tim pool
Not anymore.
jim hanson
But I changed it.
Did they?
So man woman means nothing.
tim pool
Regular people in this country will say male and female are specific.
They relate specifically to the gametes, you know, sperm or egg.
In woke nomenclature, male and female are arbitrary concepts that don't mean anything.
And they've said this for years now.
In a debate with Jordan Peterson, there was one university employee, historian of medicine, who said that biological sex is not a real thing, which is just absolutely untrue.
They're doing these things.
That's why I was like, right now you have an opportunity to pass a bill that says 2 plus 2 equals 4.
You'll probably get some opposition.
No joke.
You will.
jim hanson
But that's a good thing.
So we can stand up and say, OK, that's BS.
You know, and that's the problem, is for too long, they've been unopposed.
And they've been doing that.
They've been changing definitions, and people were like, I'm busy, I gotta get my kids to soccer practice.
tim pool
Right.
jim hanson
Well, you can no longer get your kids to soccer practice in this country if they're going to do what they're doing.
You have to spend some of your time fighting back against wokeness, or we will no longer have a republic where your kids are allowed to play soccer.
ian crossland
The racist thing, I can't, I can't wrap my head around.
Like, some debates I can have, 2 plus 2 equals 4, okay.
There's multiple bases of mathematics, 4 doesn't exist in all of them.
The racist thing, to say that just because a class or a group of people are prejudiced against that it's impossible for them to be racist against other types, that I can't come to terms with.
jim hanson
But that's what they want, and that's, I mean, it's all 1984.
Alright, Orwell did this.
You know, back long ago, the idea is to tell you what truth is and confuse you so you can't oppose it because they want
Right.
power and you get power by forcing people to accept your version of the truth.
That's why they say, let me give you my truth.
tim pool
Right.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
And rest in power.
jim hanson
Yeah, no, there is no your truth.
You have your opinion.
It's not your truth.
There is truth.
There is falsehood.
There is good.
There is evil.
There are absolutes in philosophical ideas like that.
There are not absolutes in politics.
And what they want to do is flip that on its head and give you their absolutes in politics, which is that black people can't be racist.
And expect you not to go... No!
Flag on the play!
I'm sorry!
tim pool
Have you seen the Winnie the Pooh meme?
Where it's like, a regular Winnie the Pooh, then it says a word, then it says him wearing a monocle, then him wearing a suit.
There's one where it's regular Winnie the Pooh and it says, my opinion.
Then it's him with a monocle and like a mustache and it says, anecdotal evidence.
And then the bottom one is him in a tuxedo and it says, my lived experience.
jim hanson
But OK, there you are.
You know, as long as you can say it is how I feel, because it's all about the feels.
You know, the left lives on emotion.
All right.
And wokeness is all about trying to create a society where people can't be judged as good, bad or indifferent, and they can't be offended.
They have a right to be free from offense, which conflicts with the First Amendment, which was designed so I can offend you.
tim pool
I'm sorry, it conflicts with reality.
There you go.
I get offended by the woodpecker who keeps banging on the tree outside.
What am I going to do about it?
Sometimes things exist.
I get offended by the rain.
How dare you rain?
I'm trying to skateboard right here.
Some things you can't do anything about.
jim hanson
Well, you can get a BB gun and take care of that woodpecker.
Unless it's a red-cockaded woodpecker, in which case you can't because it's protected.
tim pool
Well, the idea is, You could be sitting in your own home, sitting there with your gut hanging out, drinking a beer and eating your fifth slice of pizza, and Amy Schumer comes on and you go, she's nasty.
And then they find out.
And they freak out and they get mad.
How dare you say that?
You're fatphobic.
ian crossland
Also, like, if two people are hanging out and one person feels offense, who did the offending?
Was this person offended or did this person offend?
Or did this person receive it or create... You can't... Like, it's not how I feel about how you acted.
jim hanson
I can't say...
ian crossland
I feel this.
So you made me feel it.
It's no, no, no.
I made myself feel this way based on my surroundings that I perceive teaches that you should look for offense.
jim hanson
I mean, they literally teach.
That's why the grievance is so important.
The grievance is the basis for wokeness because you need the grievance to create a need for spoils and reparations.
ian crossland
So are they, is this this like proactive defense thing?
Like, I think they're going to harm me in the future, so I'm going to come out hard and strong and bomb the country ahead of time.
tim pool
I want power, so I'm going to manipulate people to get power.
It's that simple.
Right now, a lot of people, you ever see Fight Club?
ian crossland
Yeah, I was just watching clips from that.
tim pool
Remember that line from Edward Norton where he's like, most people will do everything in their power to avoid
getting into a fight?
Yeah, the woke people figured that out.
So they go into your workplace, and you're sitting there typing away on your computer like,
I just want to get my job done, and they go, Excuse me.
ian crossland
Dude, that's terror.
tim pool
Did you have a turkey sandwich?
Turkey is racist because the pilgrims used turkey as a symbol of their colonization when they killed the Native Americans.
You can't be eating turkey today because it's Indigenous Day.
And then, you know what people do?
I'm so sorry.
I had no idea.
I'm so sorry.
I don't want to get into a fight.
I don't want to deal with this.
Can I just go home now?
That's what they do.
ian crossland
It's like low-key terrorism.
tim pool
It's literal terrorism.
jim hanson
Without a doubt.
It's information warfare against you.
And the only answer to it is to not care.
unidentified
Right.
jim hanson
I mean, that's my favorite thing.
When I wrote Myth of White Fragility, I'm like, hmm, I wonder if I'm gonna get called a racist.
And after the 65,000th time, it didn't bother me to start with, right?
Because I know I'm not.
But the idea now that everyone needs to be able to stand up and say, no, you can call me that, but it doesn't change my lived reality, right?
Which is that I'm not.
And so I'm going to stand up and say, shut up.
Quit being a jerk.
You know, I got work to do.
First of all, get out of here.
And second of all, I'm having another turkey sandwich.
tim pool
It's amazing to me how many people try to convince these woke people that they're not actually racist.
I'm like, bro, they know you're not racist.
They don't care.
Like, I tweeted something, this is funny, on Twitter, right?
So I had this big rant on a couple different nights about campaign finance and how I really, really think it's wrong that billionaires can dump hundreds of millions of dollars.
To, for instance, ban gun rights.
I say that one because it should resonate with people who want Second Amendment.
When you get Tom Steyer and Bloomberg spending, you know, 500 million bucks to convince people guns should be banned by lying about what an assault weapon is, even though that doesn't really define anything, that makes me angry.
The same is true for any billionaire.
I don't care what they're pushing.
I don't like the idea that someone's gonna spend money, go into your district, and then tell all your neighbors to vote against their own rights.
I got a problem with that.
So we get this thing where Marjorie Taylor Greene, she raises $3.2 million in her first quarter.
AOC only raised $768k.
So Marjorie Taylor Greene has raised nearly five times as much as AOC did in her first quarter.
And so I quote tweeted, and I just put, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
I'm laughing.
You know why I'm laughing?
Because they like to talk about the millionaires and the billionaires, and I've been complaining about external donations into districts to manipulate politics.
I was laughing about Marjorie Taylor Greene because it shows the media smears backfired and campaign finance, which they don't care about AOC, is now propping up something they don't like.
So what happens is they tweet at me like, see, you clearly support Marjorie Taylor Greene.
I'm like, bro, I'm not going to argue with you because you're an idiot.
I know you have no idea what you're talking about.
It's just tribalism where they pretend.
They pretend where they're like, are you actually going to defend Marjorie Taylor Greene?
And I was like, what about ha ha ha ha ha as defending anybody?
Like, please explain that to me.
jim hanson
The best part about that was where you showed the part where Google translated it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
I think your AI needs some work, yeah.
jim hanson
Yeah, it wasn't even a translation, that was the best part.
ian crossland
Yeah, so Google offered to translate it for me, and I... You're saying, don't bother defending yourself against it.
I think that's a great statement, because, I mean, if an alligator wants to fight you underwater, it's gonna drag you underwater.
You're gonna lose that fight.
tim pool
Exactly.
You gotta make him go on land.
So one thing I always look out for when people actually try and debate you, A common tactic of dim-witted or mid-witted individuals is to force you to fight underwater.
It's a good analogy, Ian.
And so what'll happen is they'll, it's Mont and Bailey, they'll say, I think X. And you'll go, well, X is this.
And they'll go, well, actually, but why?
We're not talking about why, I don't care.
Never let them redirect.
Someone will like, so there's a guy I know who like tweets at me.
And he quote tweets me, and he'll say something like, Tim Pool did X. I'll respond with, actually, I did Y. And then he'll change the subject and be like, yeah, well, don't you remember when you did Z?
And I'll be like, when it comes to Y, I just totally disregard any attempt at derailing and dragging me underwater.
I won't even mention it.
They want to derail you, and there's literally no reason to talk about something you don't want to talk about.
So don't fight an alligator underwater.
That's a quote from Ian.
ian crossland
Do you think A or B?
You don't have to say A or B. You can say whatever you want.
Your answer can be anything.
You do not have to answer questions the way people want you to.
tim pool
Like Ian, what color is the sky?
ian crossland
Doesn't matter.
jim hanson
We've got free will.
We can literally do what we want.
We don't have to do what they say.
ian crossland
That's true.
jim hanson
That's a great way to fight wokeism.
tim pool
But people are scared.
jim hanson
I know, and that's the problem.
And they should be scared.
Because they're very good at hurting you.
They're attacking your livelihood.
They'll attack you at your family.
They'll attack you at your work.
They can get you fired.
That hurts regular people in a real way.
That's why we have to band together.
Now we don't have to form support groups.
And have safe spaces for people on the right to say, oh, the wokeness is making me feel bad.
We just have to do what you did.
It's telling them, I'm not going to play your game.
ian crossland
Don't even acknowledge the game.
jim hanson
I think at some level you have to with this.
But you can stop them from the redirect.
You can say, no, no, no, I'm just talking about what you just did.
You said I'm a racist for eating turkey.
That's garbage.
And if you want to go anywhere from there, I'm not going to indulge you.
But I don't believe eating turkey is racist.
Neither do you.
You're a jerk for bringing it up.
tim pool
You want to know what I would do?
I'd show up the next day with turkey sandwiches for the entire office.
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
Exactly!
We had Vosh on the show.
Do you know who Vosh is?
Yeah, yeah.
And I had some, you know, right personalities say, like, I can't believe you would invite this person on your show.
And so my response is, I'm gonna book him again.
It's like, dude, I don't play that game.
jim hanson
You're not scared of a different opinion?
You're not scared of people who disagree with you?
You don't feel they have to be isolated and pushed out and quarantined?
tim pool
I think we need to talk to people with different opinions.
jim hanson
Did you get a vaccine?
How'd that work, man?
How'd you get that?
I'm stunned.
tim pool
How could you have people with different opinions on your show?
jim hanson
I lived in Madison, Wisconsin, which is one of the reddest cities on earth.
I was introduced by everyone who knew me there as this is Jim, my conservative friend.
Because I was the only one they knew, right?
Yet we managed to coexist.
We managed to disagree.
We managed to say that, hey, OK, you have because what I do with them is I say, look, I think we have the same goal.
I think we both want people to be safe and prosperous and live their lives and not be killed by things.
All right.
But I think we have different methods that we think will achieve that.
And I think mine are more effective.
And here's why I think yours are less effective.
And if in the end we don't agree, we go our separate ways, we vote, and we continue to live as Americans.
The problem with wokeism is you can't do that.
Because they think if you don't follow their way, you are actually literally causing harm, and they have actually a religious duty to them to stop you.
tim pool
We do have good news, though.
There is a phrase I'm sure most of you have heard.
Get woke.
Go broke.
Check this story out from Bounding Into Comics.
New rumor claims that Falcon and the Winter Soldier viewers turned off the show after Black Lives Matter messaging.
Before I even get into this, I'm just gonna say, I believe it.
So there was this meme.
I wouldn't say it was a meme, it was some data that was posted on Reddit, where it was like, Critic Reviews vs. Audience Review Disparities.
So it was like a data Reddit.
And you can see where movies where the critics said it was bad, but the audience said it was good, and movies where the critics said it was good and the audience said it was bad.
Captain Marvel was one of them.
Captain Marvel is rotten, according to the audience, but fresh, according to the critics.
Surprise, surprise.
So here's the story.
They say this.
For those that aren't familiar, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is one of those new shows on Disney+.
They say a relatively new rumor claims that viewers of the recently released Falcon and the Winter Soldier turned it off after the show featured Black Lives Matter messaging.
They say, Overlord DVD claims that a source communicated to him that the tune-out timestamp for the second episode of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier revealed viewers stopped watching the show before the episode ended.
As explained by Overlord DVD, TOTS is logged, TOTS' timestamp, what is it, tune-out timestamp, is logged on Disney Plus whenever a viewer stops watching a particular movie or television episode.
It's useful to the bean counters at Disney Plus to note when they lose a particular viewer, because this can give them valuable data about how the show is doing and what the viewer thinks about.
It goes on to state, the source claims that around 5 p.m.
on Saturday, across the board, the Time Out Tune... the Time Out Tune Stamp... is that... wait... the Tune Out Time Stamp... I got it backwards.
For the second episode of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier went crazy with people turning off the show in droves all around the same part of the show within seconds.
That part of the show.
Apparently, they show this image where the cops pull up to Sam and Bucky.
Now, Bucky's a white dude.
Sam's a black dude.
And the cops are like, is there a problem, sir?
To Bucky, who's white.
And he's like, no, he's my friend.
And they're like, are you all right?
What's he doing?
And then he's like, don't you know who this is?
And they're like, what?
That's the Falcon.
And they go, oh, I'm so sorry.
I saw that.
I was just like, dude, come on.
jim hanson
That's subtle.
That was really subtle.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm missing this.
Who's the falcon?
tim pool
The falcon?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Not the broads.
No, I don't know who the falcon is.
But is the falcon the white guy or the black guy?
tim pool
Black guy.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
And they were like, have reverence for this guy.
tim pool
And everyone was like... The cops pulled up and they saw a white guy and a black guy arguing and then asked the white guy if he was all right and if he needed help because of this black guy.
jim hanson
Cause he fit the profile.
He was a superhero.
tim pool
And then Bucky is like, don't you know who that is?
It's like, that's the Falcon.
And then the cop goes like, oh geez, I didn't realize they were doing this, you know, yeah, the very kind of over the head a little bit.
jim hanson
That's the problem.
They can't keep it out of the culture.
I mean, Breitbart said the greatest thing, you know, politics is downstream from culture.
All right.
That's what they do is they inject those things into the culture and they expect people not to notice.
Here's the problem.
They are so unsubtle these days.
Trump made them so crazy that they ripped the masks off and they stopped being subtle.
And now they're just beating you over the head about it.
unidentified
Wow.
jim hanson
People don't like it.
ian crossland
Trump was the artistic Trojan horse.
He got in there and just caused the entertainment industry to go haywire.
jim hanson
Or the giant stink bomb let off in the room, or whatever you want to call it.
But he made them so angry they stopped being good at their PR game.
tim pool
Check this out.
They go on to say, the source says, quote, My jaw hit the floor.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
All the turnout was at the cop scene where it clearly shows they were ready to pull their guns on a black guy arguing with a white guy.
It's clear this was the message.
He goes on to state, so in other words, Disney felt like sticking a Black Lives Matter message smack dab in the middle of Falcon and Winter Soldier episode 2, and what do you know, apparently fans who are sick to death of bad news and tragic headlines decided they had enough and turned the episode off.
Overlord DVD claims, according to a source, over the course of Friday and Saturday, a full 79.9% of people that were tuning in stopped watching at that point in the story.
The number would apparently increase over the next few days as well.
According to this source, over the next few days, the average went up to 83.49% overall.
That means 83.49% of viewers turned off the episode at almost exactly the same woke point.
He adds, the source claims there were also a lot of subsequent cancellations happening in real time.
Maybe it's not a real source.
Maybe it's not good information.
I don't know.
It's rumor.
It's rumor.
jim hanson
It makes me feel good.
unidentified
How about that?
jim hanson
Nothing else.
And here's the nice thing.
We can play Information Warfare.
Yeah, that's actually definitive.
I heard a guy say that, too.
ian crossland
There is no doubt.
jim hanson
A Disney guy is now in my ear right now telling me that that's fact.
ian crossland
That, like, what would you call it, enhances my love for humanity, my belief that humanity is awake, aware, and wise.
If that's real.
tim pool
The get well, go broke stuff?
ian crossland
Yeah, that people just have no time for this junk.
tim pool
I was just watching Family Guy earlier, and it's one of the older episodes where Joe, who's the cop, you guys know Family Guy.
He pulls up, and then, you know, Peter's sitting on the couch, and he hears on the megaphone, it's the police, you know, come out with your hands up or something.
Peter goes outside, and he sees Cleveland, Quagmire, and Joe in a SWAT van.
And he's like, wow, what's this?
And then Joe's like, come on, we're going for a beer run in this new police van!
The next scene, it shows them in the police van.
And then Joe goes, the van is equipped with the latest police technology.
He says, Peter, stand in a circle.
Peter walks into a circle, and then all of a sudden arms come down and it goes, You are under arrest.
And then it grabs his hands and cuffs him.
You have the right to remain silent.
And then Peter goes, Wow, cool.
And then Cleveland goes, Let me try.
Cleveland, of course, being the black character.
And Joe goes, Cleveland, no wait, don't!
And then two arms come down with batons and start beating him going, Minority suspect found!
And then when Quagmire falls to the ground they go, Oh no!
He has a gun!
And then an arm lowers a gun.
That was really funny.
It was, it's an old family guy joke.
That's one way to incorporate these ideas in humor that most people would laugh about.
Cause it's not asserting necessarily as a truth.
It's not like a scene in an action drama where the cops are going after a superhero.
Oh no, cause they're racist.
It was making a joke about racism while being very, very subtle and funny about it.
ian crossland
Um, and Robert Downey Jr.
in Tropic Thunder.
Did you guys see that movie?
I was just watching the interview with him and Rogan last night again, and he was talking about it and how it's still, he hasn't been, you know, because that, that movie was making fun of the actors that would play that character of blackface.
He wasn't playing blackface.
He was playing a white guy that was in blackface.
And it was very obvious that how, how ridiculous it can be.
And that's what Family Guy does in a lot of ways.
jim hanson
And it's smart.
tim pool
Crowder does in a lot of ways.
They cancel him for it.
They try to cancel him for it.
jim hanson
But if they if they got back to that, like it's when Jon Stewart started doing the news and he became essentially CNN for the left.
And when he was doing The Daily Show, he would play clown nose on, clown nose off.
It was never off.
Right.
It was all clown nose.
Yeah.
And because of that, he inserted so much leftist propaganda and viewpoints that he could never get in and get people to listen to in a straight news shot.
tim pool
But Jon Stewart was honest.
jim hanson
He was?
tim pool
Jon Stewart praised Project Veritas on more than one occasion.
They wouldn't do that today.
They wouldn't.
Because Jon Stewart recognized he had his opinion.
Well, I'll put it this way.
Jon Stewart was a guy who has his opinions, who had liberal opinions, but he was an honest guy about his opinions.
That's why I thought The Daily Show was awesome with him.
So when Project Veritas did the whole acorn sting, He was like, journalists, where are you?
This dude's pulling off major journalism.
What's going on?
And he shows James O'Keefe and the pimp out and all that stuff.
And then later on, he also praised him in another circumstance.
Imagine Don Lemon and Brian Stelter being like, these conservative journalists are doing a great job.
That was never going to happen.
jim hanson
They've gone past.
They've gone over the top in their own beliefs.
And it's partly because now they're so angry they can't see that it's not working.
And it is working.
It's working for a large segment of the population who doesn't have the time to break through the haze.
But now you've got alternative sources of information like what we're doing right here.
tim pool
All right, well, for now.
jim hanson
For now, but so what?
You're building subscription.
It's brilliant.
It's a brilliant idea to tell people, hey, they're coming for all of us and point out they're coming for you too.
All right?
Whoever you are out there right now, they're coming for you in some way, shape or form.
Get on board and fight back because that's what we're doing.
tim pool
And this is important, too, because this is going to be a shout-out for TimCast.com, but it's also an important point about what you can do and what we're doing.
So we set up TimCast.com initially just like, okay, we need a place to put content in the event we get banned, because Facebook actually put a restriction on my page, and now that page is basically defunct.
So we started TimCast.com.
We're gonna do bonus segments for everybody.
We got a bunch of new members.
I said, okay, let's build an even better website.
Let's streamline it, upgrade the graphics and make it look better.
And then I was like, we need to actually make culture.
So I got a script.
I got, I'm sorry, not a script.
I got a treatment, a proposal for a show sent to me by a comedian.
We want to make a sitcom.
I said, let's do it.
Let's make a sitcom.
Maybe we'll try and get it on a mainstream streaming service, or maybe I'll just put it on TimCast.com, because I'll tell you, I want to create a website where we just do comedy specials, we do sitcoms, we do drama, we do movies, we do video games.
We just start building the culture that's been taken over by the woke.
Vice, man.
I remember why I wanted to go to Vice, why I talked to them and I said, I'd like to work here because they were edgy.
They were regular people.
jim hanson
They were crazy at the beginning.
unidentified
Yeah, I loved them.
tim pool
Absolutely.
But they'd go, you know, look, you had Ryan Duffy's bulletproof clothing.
He goes down to meet this crazy guy who's like, I make clothes that are bulletproof and they actually shoot.
He's wearing this trench coat, super heavy and thick and, you know, bulletproof.
Those were fun and exciting stories where some regular guy who was off the cuff, kind of punk rock, sex, drugs, and rock and roll were going on these adventures.
Now it's woke.
Ultra woke.
It's as establishment as it comes.
It's boring, mainstream, corporate garbage.
We need to bring back fun, exciting, and, you know, we need to bring back punk rock, man.
jim hanson
I think it's brilliant.
I love when we claim now that conservatism is punk rock.
You know now that being a lot of it is being and let's just make it anti-woke because everybody gets hung up right
things I don't want to be conservative. I'm not a republican, you
know, okay, neither am I but I am Anti-woke. All right. I'm based whatever you want to call
it. Well, the left is based as well Yeah, I'm shooting white pills, whatever whatever you want
to characterize it as we're punk rock. We are now the rebels
We're the anti-establishment.
tim pool
So weird, isn't it?
ian crossland
Last night we had Brandon Tatum on the show.
Officer Brandon Tatum.
He's no longer a police officer.
And we were talking about running away from a fight.
And he was saying where he grew up, you were thought of as a punk if you would turn a run.
He kept saying punk.
And it crossed my mind a couple of times that like, yo, punk rock.
It is punk to run away from a fight.
That's punk rock.
tim pool
No, no, no, that's not what he was saying.
He was saying you were getting punked.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was using the same word, punk, and it's like that word has- Synonym, bro.
Sometimes that word has negative connotations, but in reality, it's cool to be punk.
It's cool to turn and run and avoid a fight.
That's punk rock, dude.
tim pool
A physical fight you can choose to avoid.
A battle of ideas and a culture war you need to avoid.
ian crossland
Like you said, you don't play to their level, man.
You stay punk.
You stay on your level.
tim pool
I definitely think that analogy is missing out.
What we're doing is literally fighting back as hard as we can.
ian crossland
Well, like you said, if someone's like, well, what about Z?
You just keep talking about Y.
jim hanson
But that's still fighting.
You're just not letting them dictate the terms of the fight.
ian crossland
That's punk rock.
I'm gonna violate your rules.
I'm punk, you know?
tim pool
I'm not gonna fight the alligator underwater like you said, Ian.
I'm gonna stand on land and be like, you wanna go?
I'm up here on the beach.
jim hanson
I'll drag the chicken up the bank, and when the alligator gets out there, I'll beat him to death with a baseball bat.
That's what we're gonna do, but we're still gonna fight it.
Because he's evil and I want him done, and he's trying to shut us down.
ian crossland
Or starve him out or something.
Yeah, there's other ways to win a war.
tim pool
I'm talking about punk rock in the sense of fighting the establishment and telling the nerds, the boring people, the authoritarians, the NPCs to buzz off.
We're going to do our thing.
We're going to make fun, exciting content.
Young people are going to want to be a part of it.
They're going to be inspired by it, by the talent, by the enterprise.
And they're going to look to these woke, boring teachers who tell them what they can or can't do, and they're going to be like, I choose freedom.
ian crossland
So, no laugh track.
tim pool
No, definitely.
ian crossland
Okay, good.
jim hanson
Have a live audience!
tim pool
Just have enough of an audience.
ian crossland
No, no, it's gonna be... I mean, maybe we could do a laugh track on purpose for something.
lydia smith
Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
tim pool
It's gonna be a modern show.
ian crossland
It's gonna be... That should be the name of it, too.
Modern Show.
jim hanson
The Modern Comedy Show.
tim pool
No, no, there's a pitch for it.
It's someone else's project.
It's already got a name.
It's already got an outline.
And so I'm being asked to fund it.
And I was like, I'll buy the show, you make it, and we'll put it on TimCast.com for members only.
ian crossland
I'm interested, Jim, in hearing your tactics to preempt this Civil War, because I think of it as a long-term game, with the Chinese, you know, an 80-year plan to subvert our culture by feeding things to our children.
So I'm kind of thinking in that same realm.
Like, I don't want to go head-at-it, because that's what they want me to do.
They want me to come straight at them so they can ban me for some stuff.
jim hanson
You have to do some of that.
But first of all, I'll say one of the first things you should do, make comedy shows.
Make our culture popular.
Because right now, they're the authoritarian jerks that nobody likes.
We're the cool kids.
So let's be the cool kids.
Let's make good movies.
Ben Shapiro's people, The Daily Wire, that Run Hyde Shoot movie was a good, it was a great movie.
And not a great movie by conservatives.
It was a great action flick, and that chick was a, can I say bad...
tim pool
Yeah, you can say that.
jim hanson
I can say badass?
unidentified
I don't want to get you thrown off!
jim hanson
She was a badass!
It was a great movie.
I was on the edge of my seat.
Infidel by Dinesh D'Souza.
Another great movie.
Not great movie by a conservator.
Yeah.
Oh wow.
And it was an action flick.
You know, Jim Caviezel in a prison, getting rescued.
Life comes in with a helicopter.
It was badass.
Your comedy show, I guarantee, is going to be badass.
Because you wouldn't make it otherwise.
You wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't going to be.
tim pool
Some of these comics, I'm just like, oh, these guys, they push it so hard.
unidentified
Good.
jim hanson
That's punk rock.
tim pool
George Carlin got arrested for his bit.
The seven words you can't say on TV.
He got arrested for that.
They don't do that today, but they'll ban you.
jim hanson
I skipped school to go see George Carlin.
Literally, because we had to travel far enough to do it.
That was punk rock.
But that's just it.
That's the first thing you do is create things that aren't woke, but are cool.
Because that's the thing, the right has always been uptight.
Well, what's uptight is statists telling you how to live your life.
So what's the antidote to that?
Liberty-loving people who are cool and having a good time.
tim pool
You want to know something crazy?
This kind of pisses me off.
Most people know I've been skateboarding for several decades.
And I know a bunch of pro skateboarders.
And they won't.
They don't want to come.
They don't want to come and film segments.
They don't want to come and skate the ramp.
They're scared.
You know why?
Skateboarding is mainstream culture.
It is corporate.
And it is, while not the biggest industry in the world, and not the wealthiest, and not the most mainstream, they're in the Olympics, baby.
They got big brand sponsors.
They do big multi-million dollar events.
So I'm like, I'm talking to this guy and I'm like, man, I love your show.
I love what you do.
And I was like, you want to come film a segment?
They're like, dude, I just, we can't get a target on us.
I get the other action sports, I guess you'd call it.
We have one dude who's like, I'm a BMX rider, I want to come and film a segment.
I'm like, okay, looks like we're going to do BMX.
This guy made this YouTube video, I want to come and do some tail whips in your park.
I'm like, let's make it happen.
Now we're going to put up videos on the website.
These ones will be free and we'll share, like, here's a dude.
What I want to do with the space we have, because we have something we call the grind bar.
We set up the skate park in the garage.
It's big.
And you can actually ollie up onto a ledge and then ollie onto the bar.
Jump up onto... Okay, I should just say jump because it could be any sport.
But you can grind across the bar itself.
So we're gonna film these challenges and we're gonna have fun and be punk rock and play music.
And I gotta say, it's hard to get the skateboarders to do it because their sponsors are big mainstream corporations.
The smaller, less popular action sports No offense to inline skaters or to BMXers.
They don't got nearly as many followers or big sponsors.
So they're like, dude, I'm totally down.
ian crossland
When I was young, I used to always want, I chased the people that had already made it.
Because I was like, if I can get those people to join me, then it's going to be big.
And then I realized, nah, man, I'm just going to make it.
And all the people that want to make it with me are going to be the people that in the future have made it.
jim hanson
Build our culture, you know, and don't rely on other people to do it because you can't.
You can rely on them trying to kill it.
So assume that you have a target on you already and build mechanisms to get your message out and get your entertainment out and get your views out that they can't take away from you, like your own website.
tim pool
That's the other thing too.
jim hanson
I hope it's hosted on a boat somewhere in the North Atlantic so that Amazon can't shut you down.
tim pool
Well, that's the other thing, too, is we're talking about creating this open-source project to create a subscription-based service that anyone could have on their own website.
unidentified
Yes.
jim hanson
Beautiful.
ian crossland
People, contact me on Twitter, direct message, if you want to get involved with that.
It's very cool.
We're setting up a chat room right now through the Matrix protocol.
tim pool
It's going to be an open-source project.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And so the idea is, you've got a website.
All you've got to do is install this simple open-source package, and then people can become members to your site, but all the sites network with each other.
So basically, we create a decentralized network of independent websites.
jim hanson
That's exactly how the Soviet Union went down.
They just did it with paper.
Salmon died, right?
There was people passing information back amongst themselves underneath the web of the statist masters.
Now the other thing, you talked about the long war, the long war's education.
All right.
We're dead unless we have an alternative way to make sure our kids don't get taught that America's evil, that freedom is bad, you know, and that they have to believe the woke Bible.
So you got to work on that.
You know, and that's that's a long term project.
That's a generational war.
They've been at it for several generations.
That's why we've got the problems we do.
So you got to do that.
You got to stand up for free speech.
All right.
So you got to do three things.
You got to get the education, your free speech, and you have to have popular culture.
Right.
Which are the things they took away from us.
ian crossland
I used to think internet video alone would be enough to educate people that the information's there, so they will find it.
But now I'm finding it's guided.
You know, people are guided towards, especially with social media algorithms, people are being guided towards specific types of information.
jim hanson
And yet you can set up your own.
tim pool
For schools, though, I do wonder how many of these kids in schools are hearing their teacher say, you want to be a woke anti-racist, and these students are going, wow, I want to be just like teacher.
I can't imagine there's a lot of kids who are like that.
jim hanson
That's the other thing people are not paying attention to, is the pendulum swings back and forth, that you rebel against authority.
Who's the authority now?
The statist authoritarians.
What do kids hate more than anything?
Being told what they have to do.
Right?
So we're going to see that.
That's what we need to take advantage of.
That's available.
What's past Gen Z?
ian crossland
Millennial?
tim pool
Gen ZZ?
jim hanson
Gen ZZ?
I don't know.
Hey, incidentally, I'm staking a claim.
ian crossland
Gen A1?
jim hanson
No, I am the lead dog of Gen X. Alright?
lydia smith
Oh, nice.
jim hanson
The people claim it's 1965.
It's October 1964, because I am the first member of Gen X.
And my crew's in power now, and we invented all the sports that are now lame.
You know, all the skydiving and skateboard flips and crazy stuff that are now lamely corporate.
The sports aren't lame, but the corporatism of them is.
But we invented that because we rebelled.
tim pool
I was thinking about how crazy this is, though.
I was listening to Tony Hawk talk about being a skateboarder and how hard it was.
In the 80s, you were a loser.
You were weirdos doing this thing.
jim hanson
You were supposed to play football or basketball or baseball.
tim pool
But now it's the Olympics.
Now it's Red Bull and these big corporations.
Even a lot of snowboarding, too.
It's surprising to me how boring it's become.
For real.
jim hanson
Because it's not dangerous anymore because it's become corporatized.
And that's good.
And now that those people are scared, let's pick other ones.
Pick a new sport.
You know, there's some crazy thing.
Pick airsoft.
You know, I saw your guns in the basement.
tim pool
Airsoft.
Yeah.
I thought it was interesting because there was some pros who are like, some people will always complain about the changing culture of everything.
And there are a lot of people who say skateboarding was better back in the day.
And, you know, to them, I would say it just changed.
And for kids who are growing up in today are going to be very happy with skateboarding.
And that's true.
I'm just talking about towing the line.
I'm talking about pros who used to be like, I'm going to go skate this bank where you literally you can get arrested for being on private property.
Now it's a lot of park.
Now you've got like the Olympics are coming up.
And so there's this big competition.
Anyone in the United States apparently can enter by submitting a 45 second run in a you know, it doesn't have to be in a park, but it needs to incorporate park terrain.
Basically this means everyone's gonna be in a skate park skating Whereas skateboarding for all for the longest time was being out in the streets and conquering terrain urban terrain It was almost urban exploration in a sense.
Yeah, but that was Vandalism, you know, it was it was punk rock you were going out your tongue security guards to f-off I'm not a fan of that.
By the way, you're supposed to leave and then come back later You don't you know fight with people?
Because people get hurt But you'd like put wax on a ledge in front of a building.
A long term it would scuff it up and discolor it.
But they didn't care.
It wasn't your property, they didn't care.
It was punk rock, it was edgy, it was disrespectful in a lot of ways.
There's still a bit of that street skating culture.
But it's become very corporate.
And it's like...
Yeah, it's not really interesting to be another cog in the giant machine.
I think it's time to create new ideas, new cultures, new concepts.
Maybe airsoft is the thing we should be filming a lot of.
ian crossland
Video gaming is one that used to be so nerdy and uncool.
Like in the 80s, they called me Nintendo Crossland in elementary school and I was like the dork.
But now people are multi-millionaire, superstars, gaming giant.
You know, I mean, it's one of the biggest industries in the world, and I think it's just going to get cooler.
And then it'll eventually, it has kind of been corporatized, you know, Amazon owns Twitch and it's kind of dictating what people can say.
But man, there is some punk rock.
If you watch gamers stream, the things they will say, like if you want to tap into the child's psyche.
jim hanson
They're anti-authoritarians.
You know, Twitch sent me an email because I've got an account everywhere because I have to.
And they literally said, this is the new things we're going to de-platform people that happen off Twitch.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
I got that too.
tim pool
Social credit score.
unidentified
Dude!
jim hanson
Exactly.
And that's where these people will rebel.
So we have the ability to go ahead and appeal to people who don't like to be told what to do, which is basic libertarianism.
You know, it's not a governing philosophy, but it's a personal philosophy.
And you can tell those people, if you want to be left alone to enjoy your life, you should be hanging out with us.
Because if you hang out with the woke crew, you can't ever get the rules right.
unidentified
What rules?
jim hanson
How are you ever going to follow all the rules of wokeness?
Because they change every time someone else pops up.
ian crossland
And one of the rules is we can ban you at any time for no reason.
Literally for no reason at any time.
Who wants to play that game?
That's ridiculous.
jim hanson
Garbage.
Go look for my Twitter feed and I'm not there because I say things that they don't like and I kick their butts.
You know, and that's that's pathetic.
unidentified
Yeah.
jim hanson
So let's appeal to the people who don't like that.
And here's the nice thing.
The woke people are helping us because look at what's happening
with blacks and Latinos from the last election.
All right. People talk about we got killed in the election.
We picked up 12 House seats for the Republicans and more black and Latino votes than ever before.
tim pool
For Trump, of all people, they said he was a racist.
jim hanson
Exactly. And now why is that?
It's because they watched those riots and everything last year, and those are working-class people who have jobs.
They lost their jobs because of COVID when the Democrats locked them down, and their businesses were burnt down by BLM and Antifa, and that made them mad.
And they're like, where are the police?
Why aren't the police coming to help me?
Right?
I thought they were the good guys.
They're like, no, no, defund the police.
The police are evil.
Police hate, you hate the police.
Like, I don't hate the police.
I hate criminals.
I hate gangs.
tim pool
I got to pull up this chart.
I love pulling this chart up.
Before the George Floyd riots, Black Lives Matter enjoyed 17% net support in this country.
After the George Floyd incident, it spiked 23% net support.
Something then happened.
Do you know what happened right after the spark of the George Floyd story?
What happened in this country?
What did people start doing?
No, no, no, no.
What was the direct response to the death of George Floyd among the left?
jim hanson
Blocked guns.
tim pool
No, riots.
jim hanson
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
They started going around burning cities.
jim hanson
Then everyone else blocked guns.
tim pool
The net support then dropped to 7%.
Currently today, net support for Black Lives Matter is at 6% a year out.
You get what you give.
It is almost, it is 40%, I believe.
Let's see, let's go back to the beginning of last year.
Was it around, it was 8, 9%.
So it's down between, you know, 20 to 35% net support.
jim hanson
You just made me feel good, man.
That's wonderful news because they're a recruiter for our team.
They're a recruiter for the team that likes freedom and liberty, not a bunch of angry racists telling us that the rest of us are racist.
Don't project onto me and tell me how to live my life.
Beautiful.
ian crossland
Let's, let's, uh, I'll make sure to like, don't mess with your enemy while they're making a mistake.
jim hanson
Exactly.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jim hanson
And they're going to do it again.
ian crossland
I kind of feel for this black lives matter movement in a way, because I feel like Antifa got their tentacles all wrapped up in it and did a lot of violent, just like angry, violent anarchists just kind of used that movement and got involved in a way that wasn't the intention from the beginning of that.
tim pool
I was, I was there at some of the first black lives matter protests.
It was always the same people.
Antifa, for the most part, is just the flag.
It's far leftists of various persuasions who wear all black and go around engaging in violence.
And before we called them Antifa, we just called them the Black Block.
It was a reference to the same leftist protesters, activists, extremists we've always known.
And when I was in New York at the Trayvon Martin protests, they were there as well.
The same people now fly the Antifa flag.
Same people.
jim hanson
And then at the Black Lives Matter protests, no matter how well-intentioned some of them may be, you've always got the young, angry crowd that wants to break stuff.
And so those two groups would meld together.
They create like the ball of ugliness and somebody would break a window and then it's gone from there.
But the bad part is, and I think the good thing for us, is that they now have busted their brand.
Their brand is violence.
Now, it's working in intimidating local leaders, but it's not working in gaining public support.
It's pushing normals toward us, the working class normal people.
Now, I think that's an interesting coalition I just outlined.
We've got the punk rock radical cool kids now hanging out with the normal working class folks.
But we're all the ones who say we know how to live our lives.
You don't tell us how to live our lives and we'll take care of business.
ian crossland
I love cryptocurrency because it's so punk rock and like Internet developers.
So punk rock.
They are building the future.
jim hanson
Cool.
I'm in.
tim pool
Yeah, no guarantees, but it's a big reason why a lot of anarchists bought into Bitcoin very early on.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Not leftie anarchists, because they don't believe in money, I guess.
But all the right anarchists got super rich.
They were like, who needs money the government doesn't know about?
I'll buy it all.
jim hanson
Smart.
And then they went ahead and created a new way to do business, which we're allowed to do.
And again, to your point of let's create shows and let's do other things and new sports and other things that popularize what we're doing from our side.
And guess what?
We are going to be much more entertaining and inviting than the other side.
Because you can tell they're angry.
tim pool
Because we have humor.
jim hanson
And they're unpleasant.
tim pool
We can tell jokes.
jim hanson
We mock people.
And it's fun.
tim pool
But it's like insulting and disparaging people for the sake of being mean is not fun.
But playfully ribbing at each other over stereotypes and other dumb ideas is fun.
It's fun and it's funny.
Because we're all part of the same jokes.
We're all being made fun of.
We're all on a level playing field with each other.
jim hanson
So could we have stand-up comedy back then?
Could we literally, because they've killed that, for all intents and purposes.
Ryan Long though, he's amazing.
He's nailing it, but what's he doing?
He's mocking woke culture.
He's found the magic bullet.
tim pool
But he's got, you know these videos he makes, often do, most of the time, but he also has a stand-up routine, he has a bunch of other jokes.
I think he recently did a joke about the NSA, watching dudes whack off.
Like, he's not making fun of the woke.
He's just a funny guy.
jim hanson
He's a funny dude.
tim pool
And he makes fun of the woke, and it's funny too.
jim hanson
And that's the nice thing, is when you can mock your enemy, you hurt them more than you ever can with any kind of violence or anger or anything else.
You delegitimize them because you don't take them seriously.
And they're so good.
They mock themselves.
You can't hardly caricature them.
He does, and he does it well, but that's just it.
They are so absurd, and there's so much ammo there, that if more people take that up, guess what?
You've got, now we need a daily show from the right.
You know, looking at the Biden administration.
You get crowded while we do.
tim pool
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Meso trashed.
Meso trashed.
Ah, that's what it says.
You should invite your mom in to talk about her life.
I think it would be good for people to hear her story and for you to have for the rest of your life.
Maybe it depends on, you know, I'm not sure.
People in my family want to be very publicly known, especially with the craziness of the far left, right?
lydia smith
That's fair.
tim pool
There are a lot of people in England I would love to have on the show.
So many in Canada.
Not easy to get.
officer turned mercenary when travel from England opens up.
There are a lot of people in England. I would love to have on the show so many in Canada. Not easy to get. Yeah.
Raymond Fields says I love the quote. The two A is made for hunting
and not weapons of war argument.
It was made so we can have weapons of war to overthrow a tyrannical government.
Well, I want to clarify this too, because a lot of people tend to say this, that the second amendment is about defending, you know, defending the United States from a tyrannical government.
It was for any oppressor, anyone.
It was about defending the free state.
It could be a foreign or domestic enemy.
So don't limit yourself.
Your gun rights are for everything.
jim hanson
Those Canadians might get all hopped up on Molson's and Tim Horton Donuts and scream across the border on snowmobiles, you know?
ian crossland
A lot of it's for the Native Americans, too.
I mean, let's not deny that that was a giant genocide.
tim pool
But let's also not forget that the Canadians may gorge themselves on poutine, and by the time they get there, they're too sluggish.
lydia smith
And maple syrup!
They're stuck to the border.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Rogue Ryan says, I wish I was getting paid $50,000 to smoke Parmesan and send on the board for my last name.
I do not understand US lefties.
I hear you.
Bro, I hear you.
jim hanson
I would smoke Parmesan for 50 grand.
lydia smith
I'd do it.
unidentified
100%.
jim hanson
That sounds fine.
ian crossland
Tastes good.
jim hanson
Kickstarter?
We doing a Kickstarter?
lydia smith
Yeah, let's do it.
unidentified
Let's do it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's Kickstarter.
tim pool
ReleaseTheKraggle says, the Second Amendment is an inalienable right.
It's absolute.
We are done handing over our rights to appease those who know nothing about them.
We want peace, but we are prepared for war.
unidentified
Oof.
tim pool
Powerful statements.
jim hanson
That's one of my peeps right there.
ian crossland
No amendment is absolute, but it will be if we protect it.
tim pool
The matador says shall not be infringed was not a suggestion.
It's a statement.
Gun laws is infringing.
That's right.
jim hanson
Taxation is theft.
lydia smith
That's right.
jim hanson
Let's do it.
ian crossland
Oh, let's get into it.
tim pool
I mean, I think people need to, you want to change the constitution.
If you want to get rid of those second, if you, if you've got a problem, second amendment, you don't just pass laws that violate our constitutional rights.
jim hanson
Go ahead and pass an amendment or have a constitutional convention.
And then if I don't like the outcome, guess what?
That's why I bought my guns.
I don't have to agree to your new constitution if you change it, so...
tim pool
Foo Nation says, this is for Ian.
I was brave enough to check out crypto because of you.
Keep being your interdimensional self.
unidentified
That's awesome, dude.
And yes, we are vibrating, apparently, in the vacuum.
jim hanson
You're interdimensional?
ian crossland
Yeah, we all are.
jim hanson
Everybody?
Am I?
tim pool
No, no, but the joke was that we had a new employee start, and every time they came, Ian was not around.
And so he was like, I'm convinced Ian's not real.
And we were like, that's right, Ian's just an astral projection.
He's not really here.
lydia smith
I was I was talking about Ian today.
I was like, have you seen Ian yet?
And he goes, Ian.
ian crossland
I was like, yeah.
It's a suffix.
lydia smith
Yeah, exactly.
Yes.
jim hanson
I don't know.
Blake Larum.
tim pool
Blake Larum says, I appreciate your insight and diversity of guests.
You provide unbiased views and intellectual dialogue that is not available in the mainstream media.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That's a compliment.
Thank you so much.
jim hanson
Diversity of ideas, not just skin color and chromosomes.
lydia smith
Super fun.
jim hanson
Weird.
ian crossland
All of the above.
jim hanson
Weird.
tim pool
WarMovieVet says, Hey Tim, you missed your chance to have a good show when you turned down Gavin McInnes.
I strongly recommend you have him on if you truly believe in free speech and ignore MSM lies.
I don't recall ever turning down Gavin McInnes from coming on the show.
jim hanson
Maybe he was too hopped up on poutine.
tim pool
He is Canadian, right?
lydia smith
Yeah.
No, I never turned him down.
No, no way.
ian crossland
I love him, by the way.
lydia smith
He's hilarious.
ian crossland
He is rough around the edges.
tim pool
He pushes it too hard.
ian crossland
He angered a lot of people, but I really like that guy.
jim hanson
Somebody's gotta go too far.
And he's always willing to do it.
tim pool
He figured out where the line is, I suppose.
jim hanson
I'm with him on probably 90-plus, 95% of the stuff, and then that last 5% I'm like, dude.
tim pool
Yeah Keith McCracken says long time third time yesterday with prescription drugs like Adderall I was put on it when I was a preteen and it really messed with my psyche mental health starts with diet.
Love you all Thank you for all what thank you for what you do and all make my drive home better.
Hey, thanks, man All right, that's on point says to a is the hill to die on without that we have no rights Or it's the hill to live on so you can shoot downhill at the back.
jim hanson
Yeah, that's right.
I live on a hill.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got.
Hi Leaf says, Hi Tim, great show.
Had a friend who lives in Hawaii and have a question.
Why is Hawaii not used as the gun control push since they have heavy gun control?
Plus my friend also said that you are a sellout.
Well, that's good news.
I'm not sure about the Hawaii thing though.
jim hanson
The Hawaii thing is they had a ruling in the Ninth Circuit that Hawaii won't allow carry of any kind, and they ban it.
And so it's going to go to the Supreme Court and probably be overturned, and it's going to lead to a good idea on where they stand on concealed carry reciprocity and some other major issues.
So it was a bad ruling by the Ninth, which they're prone to, and a good one because it'll go to Supreme Court and should get its ass kicked.
tim pool
This is interesting.
Someone mentioned in the chat that YouTube is suppressing likes.
I don't know if that's true, but I can say that we've lost 2,000 likes in the past five minutes or so.
What?
And I was just like, well, whatever.
You know, you lose likes, you gain likes.
But I also just checked on the YouTube back end, and the show has also been hard to monetize.
So I wonder what we said they're not happy with.
lydia smith
You!
No, I'm just kidding.
tim pool
I don't know.
jim hanson
None of us said anything bad.
Maybe we just load the van with weapons and we roll to Silicon Valley, man.
They're asking for it.
tim pool
No, no, no.
jim hanson
I'm not serious about that.
Tim does not believe in violence.
tim pool
Terry Presley says, Well, yes, perhaps, technically, but, uh, you know, the point I'm trying to make is that we had guns that could shoot multiple rounds with one trigger pull.
rapid succession. Full auto fire cycles and fires multiple times in one or multiple chambers
with one trigger pull."
Now, yes, perhaps technically, but, you know, the point I'm trying to make is that we had
guns that could shoot multiple rounds with one trigger pull.
I understand it was a bunch of different, you know, barrels or whatever.
jim hanson
You win the technical and you lose on the substance of it.
tim pool
Alright, Billy Deerhead says, attach an omnidirectional camera and microphone to a drone, connect it to a VR headset and microphones, a harness to suspend yourself off the floor, and controls in the hands to guide the drone, thus simulating flying in the real world.
We are working on the Zeppelin project.
ian crossland
Minus the harness, but yeah, that's the first step.
tim pool
So, for the longest time Wikipedia claimed I invented a Zeppelin camera, because Wikipedia is just broken and stupid.
And they finally removed it, because I kept complaining, saying I'd never invented the Zeppelin thing.
Now that it's removed, I decided, you know, I'm actually going to fund the creation of this Zeppelin project, so we're actually going to start building this.
That way they'll be forced to put it back.
ian crossland
It looks like an 18-footer is the way to go, to be able to handle the weight that we need for our first run.
tim pool
Yeah, we want to be able to live broadcast from a Zeppelin.
So people can log online and watch a high-def livestream from the Zeppelin, so you can do news coverage in the air without a helicopter or a person.
jim hanson
I'm in.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not hard to do.
It's like, seriously, probably a couple hours to get done.
No joke.
We might need to be able... Getting the signal, it will be the trickier part.
But I think we can easily do something with cellular bonding over 4G or something.
unidentified
3G.
ian crossland
3G, it looks like we're going to start with.
unidentified
3G!
ian crossland
Yeah, I think 3G is the way to go to start with.
That's what Andreas was saying.
tim pool
But is there still 3G tech?
I don't know.
ian crossland
Yeah, you get Arduino.
Is that what they're called?
Arduino.
And then you get a little... I don't know.
He was showing me all the pieces and parts last night.
Looks like everybody's fighting back and giving us a bunch of likes because... Keep liking, guys, but don't like... only like it an odd number of times or if you click the like button twice, it'll unlike.
tim pool
No, that is weird.
Before we did Super Chats, we had over 10,000 likes.
I think it was like 11 or something.
And then all of a sudden I started watching it go down as if people were unliking the video.
So I was like, maybe someone said something, we're getting dislikes now.
And then so I checked over on the YouTube dashboard and I'm like, no, there's no dislikes.
There's like very few.
jim hanson
Well, there are dislikes.
They're just coming from Silicon Valley.
tim pool
99% thumbs up?
How did we lose 2,000 likes if people just decided to remove the like from the video, I guess?
That's weird.
jim hanson
My social media credit score infected your like capabilities.
tim pool
Hey, it happens.
It happens.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Where are we at?
Uh-oh, Samantha Fitzgerald says, Ian can't say concentration camps are evil?
What the hell?
ian crossland
Well, like, what's the difference?
Concentration means that they're killing people, so if southern border aren't concentration camps, they're internment camps.
I'd never... I mean, if you think of a concentration camp as a place where you put innocent people to kill them, then yeah, that's evil.
But then you gotta define innocent, because in a time of war, enemy civilians can be considered combatants.
tim pool
Beau Jess says, Ian, not everything is subjective.
Lots of things are objectively bad.
Stop being still leftist.
ian crossland
Well, then give me one.
jim hanson
Objectively bad?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Johnny Arson says, Murder.
ian crossland
But not in war.
jim hanson
That's not murder.
tim pool
That's not murder.
ian crossland
All you gotta do is sign on a piece of paper and it's no longer murder.
tim pool
That's still not murder.
ian crossland
What, so if someone says it's okay to kill, then it's okay?
tim pool
Ian, do you think like war is fought because someone's like, you know, I just feel like killing?
ian crossland
Sometimes.
tim pool
What's happening in most instances of war is that there's a threat to the status quo or structure, and due to that threat, somebody feels it's within their necessity to go and, you know, kill somebody.
ian crossland
Sometimes it's genocide.
tim pool
Now the issue though is, where I'll agree with you, is when the military-industrial complex lobbies a bunch of crappy corporatist senators and politicians to vote for war so that our young men and women go and die for nothing, But in the general concept of war, it's not the same thing as murder.
jim hanson
And there's just war theory.
You can say war can be good or bad.
If you have a just war, and that's an objective thing, you can say.
You can say there are some wars that were deathly, some wars were conquest.
Wars of conquest are wrong and evil, but a war of self-defense, again, written by the victors, right?
You get to write the history, but you can base it on what they were doing and who they were doing it to.
If you fight a war to stop something bad from happening, then you're doing an objective good.
ian crossland
How about selling drugs to kids?
Like Adderall?
tim pool
No, no, no.
Like street drugs.
Like hard narcotics, hard opiates.
Fentanyl.
ian crossland
I mean, Adderall's a hard opiate.
tim pool
I asked you about fentanyl, Ian.
ian crossland
Fentanyl?
tim pool
No, that's... You don't think it's evil to give a kid fentanyl?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think that would be... Is that objectively evil?
I think so.
It's just that you've laid me a very vague situation.
tim pool
You asked if there are some things that are objectively evil.
ian crossland
As a painkiller, a tiny, tiny, tiny dose of fentanyl.
tim pool
I didn't say that.
unidentified
No, no, no.
ian crossland
Selling drugs to kids.
tim pool
Would you say it is evil for a dude to grab a seven-year-old by the hair and jam a lethal dose of fentanyl down his throat and hold his mouth shut?
ian crossland
Yeah, but what if the seven-year-old had a grenade in his hand and was coming up to you to blow you up?
Then it's self-defense, and it's not evil.
You didn't define the situation properly.
tim pool
Ian, you're a constructivist.
ian crossland
No, I'm saying that things are subjective in reality.
tim pool
You are wrong, because no one gave you those parameters.
ian crossland
Killing is always wrong, unless it's right.
Is that what you're saying?
jim hanson
No, what you're doing is definitely right sometimes.
Sometimes it would be wrong to not kill.
tim pool
You see, Ian, what you don't understand, because you're a constructivist, is that when I lay out the parameters, you've decided to change the parameters.
ian crossland
You said to kill a kid.
tim pool
I said a guy grabs a seven-year-old by the back of the hair and shoves a lethal dose of fentanyl down his throat and holds his mouth shut.
ian crossland
Sure.
tim pool
Is that evil?
ian crossland
Well, is he a soldier in Vietnam?
tim pool
I didn't tell you that.
ian crossland
No, you didn't tell me that.
tim pool
It doesn't matter.
ian crossland
It does matter!
Context matters!
tim pool
No, Ian.
What you're doing is you're changing the parameters because you can't accept that it's all wrong.
ian crossland
Because you didn't give me any, so I'm creating them.
tim pool
So, if you watched a guy on the street walk up to a seven-year-old, pull his hair back, and shove that in his mouth, you'd say, maybe it's a good thing.
ian crossland
Well, now you've given me some parameters.
No, that doesn't sound like a good thing.
tim pool
What parameters did I give you?
ian crossland
That it was on the street, I pictured New York City.
tim pool
But what if the kid was a terrorist, Ian?
ian crossland
Well, if it comes out that he was, then it comes out that maybe he did do a good thing.
tim pool
Oh, okay, so you just said it was wrong.
See, the problem with constructivism... It seemed like it, but I'm not gonna throw the guy in... The problem with constructivism and the things you do in arguments like this is that you could be asked a simple question and you decide to change the argument to suit your needs.
ian crossland
Dude, the reason we have courts is because we don't know if it's right and wrong at first glance.
tim pool
What first glance?
ian crossland
We have to look into things and find out context and see maybe this what looked evil wasn't.
jim hanson
That's to decide punishment.
That's not to decide whether it was right or wrong.
We're deciding whether or not we're going to punish someone for what they did.
It was objectively right or wrong when they did it.
And that's the difference is you have to be able to say some things are objectively evil at the point they're happening.
And I would just say if I was going to kill a seven-year-old terrorist, I wouldn't dose him with fentanyl.
tim pool
The point is, there are very obviously things that are objectively evil that no human would agree with unless they're broken in the head.
ian crossland
I don't know, man.
Destruction is such a way of life for humans that we've kind of accepted it.
And it just depends on who you ask.
tim pool
You know what I hear when you say these things, Ian?
You have evil tendencies that you've expressed before that you want to justify.
ian crossland
At my core, I'm a philosopher, and I understand that it's too easy to say something is blatantly right, blatantly wrong, without taking context into account.
tim pool
You asked!
jim hanson
Hold on.
You can look at some things and say, this is immediately, objectively wrong in the context that I see right now.
ian crossland
I think there are situations, yeah, like if you see someone put their hand on a burner and start screaming, I would take their hand off the burner.
I would think that's bad.
tim pool
You asked, are there things that are objectively evil?
The answer is yes.
When I gave you an example, you changed the argument in order to justify someone being evil.
Do you understand?
That's constructivism.
If a guy walked up, how about that dude in New York who drove up to a guy who was walking with his four-year-old daughter, shot him and killed him.
Is that evil?
ian crossland
What happened?
tim pool
A guy was crossing a crosswalk with his four-year-old daughter, and a car pulled up.
Stopped the guy, pulled up the gun, shot the guy, and killed him.
ian crossland
Sounds awful.
tim pool
Objectively evil.
ian crossland
I wasn't there, man.
It sounds awful.
tim pool
You can't say that it's objectively evil to randomly gun down a man with his four-year-old daughter just crossing the street minding his own business.
Do you see the problem with that?
ian crossland
Evil's vague as hell, dude.
tim pool
You are the banality of evil.
You define the banality of evil.
You define it.
ian crossland
How can I even defend that bland, vague statement?
What does that even mean?
The banality of evil?
jim hanson
Why are you looking for context that would justify it as opposed to saying absent context that doesn't justify it, it is evil?
ian crossland
Because I've seen people do horrible things in the name of good.
tim pool
The banality of evil was when the Nazis didn't care what they were doing, because there must have been some justification for the orders they were given.
That's your mentality, not mine.
When I see a guy pull up in a car and gun down a man with his daughter, and this happened in New York, I say, that is evil.
Now, after the fact, we can investigate and try to figure things out, but based on what we witnessed and what we saw, it was an act of evil.
Even if this dad had wronged this guy in some way, even if he was an angry, violent person or a gang member, pulling up in a car and then gunning a guy down in cold blood in broad daylight with his four-year-old daughter is evil.
Pure evil.
And I can say that.
jim hanson
And let's just add the context that the person was not doing anything that justified them being killed.
They were not in a situation where killing them was an act of self-defense or anything else.
It was just a purely evil thing to do.
Right.
I think you can... Then your arguments move.
ian crossland
But it no longer becomes objective if you start to define all the parameters.
Now you're creating a subjective situation.
tim pool
No, no, no.
What you're doing is you're trying to justify evil by changing parameters that were never given to you.
ian crossland
No, I'm saying that killing a child is not objectively evil.
If the kid's gonna kill you, and you kill him in self-defense, it's not evil.
tim pool
But you're adding parameters.
jim hanson
Tim's asking, can you create one situation that is objectively evil?
ian crossland
I think about this a lot.
I think about objectivity and subjectivity a lot.
We've had this argument in private sometimes.
I love this argument.
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
I think it's very dangerous to lie and die on a hill where you believe something always is this way.
tim pool
That's not what we said.
You asked for one situation in which something could be objectively equal.
unidentified
No, I didn't.
ian crossland
I said that I don't think there are situations like that.
tim pool
So there's one example.
A guy pulling up to a man walking down the street with his four-year-old daughter and shooting him and killing him for no reason.
And it happened.
It happened in New York last year.
Random act of violence.
We don't know why.
The guy just decided to kill a man in front of his child.
And the little girl had to run with her dad dying in the street.
She had to run, panicking.
Sorry, man.
Some things are evil.
You see, the problem is... I was just watching Star Trek.
It's fantastic.
The episode that was just on was about an admiral was secretly brought to the Enterprise because there was a 12-year-old ship called the Pegasus that was engaging in an experimental technology that could have reignited intergalactic war.
War.
And Riker, second in command, was, was, it was explained, was chosen because he defied the orders of one of his commanding officers, and when Picard saw that he was willing to stand up for what he believed is right, even though he was being ordered to do something, that was the kind of officer he wanted on his ship.
Why?
There's a reason why I like The Next Generation.
They recognize that someone could say, I want you to do X, and in your mentality, which has been used to justify genocide for generations, for eons, for millennia, The person says, I just trust that there's some justification for why I'm going to commit an atrocity.
Whereas, a strong-willed person who believes that some things are inherently wrong will look their commanding officer in the eyes and say, I will not do that.
But there are a lot of people, a lot of cops especially, they'll be told, go shoot that kid, and they'll be like, yes sir.
Not everybody's that crazy, though.
And there are a lot of people who are gonna say, I ain't doing that, are you nuts?
But some people just say, there must be some justification for this, I suppose.
It's not objectively wrong to go kill that kid.
That's crazy to me.
Even if the kid, you know, and this is one of the biggest challenges, the ethical conundrums that we have when it comes to war, because the terrorists have been putting bombs on children and placing them in roads.
I'm sure you've heard these stories.
I have friends that were overseas in Iraq and they said one of the scariest things is when you're driving in a vehicle and you're ordered, don't stop for this kid who's standing in the middle of the road.
You know why?
They put bombs on him.
What do you do?
Man, some of these situations are just nightmares that you have to fight through.
Some of them are nightmares.
But then there are some circumstances where someone would panic and say, just kill him anyway.
And the person would say, I'm just going to drive around him.
No, I'm not doing that.
You got to make a decision.
It's not always that easy.
Sometimes things are just objectively wrong and you have to say, I won't do that.
And I won't assume there's some justification for an atrocity.
If someone told me to do something, you better justify that to me.
Because otherwise, I'm not going to do it.
ian crossland
They don't do that in the military.
They don't have to.
They're not supposed to.
jim hanson
Oh, they do.
No, because you're required to disobey an unlawful order.
And an order to commit an atrocity is unlawful by its definition.
ian crossland
Running a kid over that is assumed to have a bomb on him is an atrocity.
jim hanson
It is atrocious.
It's not a war crime.
But here's the thing.
When you make that decision, you're bound by, did the kid have a bomb on him?
You have to believe truly in your heart that they did and that that's the only way you could deal with that situation.
And if you do that, it was an atrocious act, but it was not an atrocity because you didn't do it out of a desire to commit evil.
You did it out of desire to save lives, the lives of your men, the people, your troops.
tim pool
When it comes to the historical genocides, Just doing my job or just following orders was the justification for so many people who committed crimes.
That's why people in the military, like you said, it's a requirement to disobey unlawful orders.
There are people who go to prison for committing crimes while they're in war.
Some things are just objectively wrong and we take them into account.
I know a lot of soldiers who are angry about it.
They're like, it's crazy the amount of rules we have to follow that they don't.
Yeah, maybe it's because we're the good guys.
Isn't that funny?
Maybe it's because the bad guys will blow up a kid if it means they can gain a piece of land, and we won't do that.
We only do it when we're absolutely desperate, have no choice, and it's nightmarish, and then you risk going to prison.
So we've got all these moral constraints on us.
Long story short, the societies that say, I will lead people to a gas chamber, there must be some justification for it.
If you didn't, if you were told to do something and you said, there's no justification for this, you wouldn't do it.
You would say, that's inherently evil.
I won't do that.
Too many people, too many, would just blindly follow and commit atrocities.
That's why I don't like this idea, man, that everything is subjective.
Yes, sometimes you can find a reason why a certain circumstance, and I'll tell you the perfect, the perfect, like the point of that entire argument.
I gave you an example of when killing a kid was not objectively evil.
The point is, there are instances where it is objectively evil, and there are instances where it isn't.
But it is objectively evil when a serial killer kidnaps a kid, and then murders them, lights their body on fire, for no reason other than they just wanted to watch the kid burn.
Sorry, that's evil.
ian crossland
But like, when you say there are situations when killing a kid is objectively evil, and there are situations when it's objectively not, that is illogical.
tim pool
No it isn't.
ian crossland
If it's objective, then it's killing a kid is X.
jim hanson
You're saying you can't have specific instances that are objectively evil or not?
You have to have just generalities?
ian crossland
Well, that's when they become subjective.
The specifics make it subjective.
tim pool
No, no, no.
jim hanson
You can have a single instance of objectivity.
It doesn't have to be an entire class of actions, either are or aren't.
And just because there are different contexts in a specific instance doesn't mean it's subjective.
You're still taking an objective view at that one particular instance.
Johnny Cash shot a man in Rideau just to watch him die.
That was evil.
All right.
tim pool
Johnny Cash did?
jim hanson
Johnny Cash did that.
ian crossland
That's what he told me.
tim pool
Crazy.
unidentified
We gotta read more Super Chats, because we got into this great argument.
tim pool
Caden Peterson says, Hey Tim, been watching for years.
After observing the political sphere for that time, I've written a sci-fi novel with the themes of
modern day. It is 2084 to 2069 on Amazon.
Keep up the good work. Will do. Thank you.
All right, TheRaptor'sTalent says, First time Super Chat.
Hope this works.
I've always viewed justice as a balance between the absolute power of law and the personal vengeance of the victim.
Based on this policy, I don't think that any trial against the establishment will work.
Interesting.
Student of History says, the one ring equals power.
Power corrupts.
Okay, death camps were state certified.
AOC, go explain that to the Jews in NYC.
Joe Biden has no idea what he's talking about from history.
Founding fathers would drool at an ARAK.
Also, if JBP equals Red Skull, well, GD me, well, Hail Hydra.
It's hard because people try to cram so much in Super Chats.
When you guys start doing acronyms and stuff, I can't decipher what, you know, you're trying to mean when you do acronyms and things like that.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
We'll talk about them.
Maybe in the members only.
Superguy says, good news on the two-way front.
Arizona just passed a bill to defy federal firearms regulations.
Governor Abbott will sign similar legislation in Texas.
And my own state of Oklahoma has a two-way sanctuary bill that made it to the House.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
Nice.
tim pool
Rosie Riveter says, ex-Antifa here, also former OWM.
I realized the real agenda of Antifa.
I left as soon as I left.
The death threats came in.
I'm thankful every day.
I woke up.
Keep spreading the truth.
You guys are amazing.
Appreciate it.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
Occupy Wall Street.
I see how that sentiment lingered from Occupy Wall Street into Antifa.
I feel that.
tim pool
Thomas Cutler says, Tim, will you have Joe Rogan on your show?
lydia smith
Yes, we will.
tim pool
Joe can come to my house whenever he would like and come on at any time.
And I'm sure the man is just much too busy eating elk.
He definitely eats elk.
But I mean, the dude is running a massive empire.
ian crossland
I love it.
tim pool
Like even even smaller YouTubers.
It's hard to get him out here because they do their own show.
But I, of course, would invite Joe Rogan on the show.
It's just he's a busy guy.
He's more than welcome to come and hang out whenever he wants.
We'll get him to drop in on the six foot.
M. Sheba says, give this to Ian.
He is putting in the work with the witty banter tonight.
Hey, there you go, M. Sheba.
Nova Zero says, Nick Requieta's take on Rittenhouse is awesome.
The statute would have made it illegal for Kyle to have held a gun.
That doesn't apply to long arms.
Kyle carried a long arm.
Kyle did nothing wrong.
Love the pod whale cast.
Hey, thank you.
That was outstanding.
Yeah.
Nicely played.
Sentient intelligence expending purposeful effort in order to artificially manufacture
unnecessary suffering onto another sentient intelligence for the sole purpose of its own
pleasure.
jim hanson
That was outstanding.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Nicely played.
tim pool
Concise, yeah.
unidentified
Some things are just evil, man.
tim pool
Melty Sammich says, it's odd how the state follows the 13th amendment to the letter,
but the second amendment is contorted to what the elites want it to be.
The man, the myth, the legend, rapper Killer Mike would be a great guest.
He would be, yeah, he's rad.
lydia smith
I'm gonna look him up.
tim pool
No, it's funny, like, the 13th Amendment allows the state to keep slaves so long as they've been convicted of a crime.
Well, that one, whoa, there's no argument there.
There should be.
2nd Amendment, though, we got all these arguments, man.
jim hanson
Does that mean I can quarter my friends who are still in the military in any house I want now?
tim pool
Violate the Third Amendment.
lydia smith
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
The Third Amendment.
jim hanson
I'm just thinking.
tim pool
Right out supply says, heard you talking about getting some BMX riders to the skate park last night.
Sent you a DM on Instagram about some of our sponsored riders.
Let's link up.
I have like 50 billion messages on Instagram.
I can't go through them.
So I don't know the best way to email the contact because we just have so many emails.
lydia smith
Okay, yeah, send it to spin the UFO and then try to take down there the info suppose.
tim pool
Yeah, also some Obviously pro skateboarders are welcome.
The ones I've asked are just kind of scared because it's such a big sport there's a lot of risk when you have big mainstream sponsors, but We'll take skiers.
I don't know.
I don't know what you're gonna do on a half pipe, but aggressive inline BMX skateboarding If you've got a pogo stick.
I mentioned this the other day.
If you've got a pogo stick and you're real good and you want to thrash on a half pipe somehow with a pogo stick, I don't know how you'd do it, but I bet you could.
We'd film that too.
That'd be fun.
Oh man, DamienGGJ says, Ian must be laying off the drugs.
Recently he's been saying some decent stuff.
Awesome, dude.
God bless to your team.
lydia smith
Thank you, Damien.
ian crossland
I'm taking this very seriously.
lydia smith
That's right.
jim hanson
He's high on oxygen.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
He's high on life.
ian crossland
Have you guys ever got high on oxygen before?
You just breathe really hard for a long period of time?
It's breath of fire.
lydia smith
It's Wim Hof.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, it is.
That's what it is.
You're getting high on oxygen.
tim pool
Hopisan says, re-legalize dueling so whenever someone is offended, they can defend their honor and the offender can stand his or her ground and fight back, if needed.
Just kidding.
Thanks, Tim and crew.
Ordered my tinfoil hat gorilla shirt two days ago, looking forward to it.
Yes, my friends, if you go to TimCast.com, click that shop button.
We got tinfoil hat gorilla shirts for a limited time only.
It is very similar to the regular I Am A Gorilla, but he's wearing a tinfoil hat.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Do you know about the I Am A Gorilla thing?
jim hanson
No, I was going to ask.
tim pool
Because Alex Jones was here and he kept saying, I am a gorilla.
He was referencing Ishmael.
And then, you know what Ishmael is?
This book where a psychic gorilla tells humans they're a virus destroying the planet.
jim hanson
No.
tim pool
A little weird.
He just kept randomly saying, I am a gorilla.
And so we made a shirt that says, I'm a gorilla and it's got a gorilla on it.
It's actually, the Diamond Hands gorilla is right there in that shirt.
You can see it.
ian crossland
I think it's a misprinted version.
We keep it here.
It's a little too dark.
tim pool
It's the Wall Street version.
jim hanson
Oh, this is the one where they made it darker to make you look racist?
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
They did that.
That was an accident.
lydia smith
That was exciting.
tim pool
But this one is the Diamond Hands gorilla where he got rich off GameStop stocks.
jim hanson
Oh, nice.
tim pool
So he's got cash in his hands and he's smiling and smoking a cigar.
jim hanson
I made a few on that.
unidentified
Oh, really?
tim pool
That's nice.
It's still doing well, I guess.
All right, let's see what we got.
We got a bunch of superchats.
And, oh man, wow, a ton just came in.
The whole evil argument triggered a whole bunch of superchats.
ian crossland
I thought, Jim, you made a good point where you said that there can be parameters that lead to situations that could be considered objective.
unidentified
That's an interesting concept.
jim hanson
It doesn't have to be 100% broad on a topic.
You can limit it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
You can have exceptions as well.
tim pool
Aya Bat says, Ian's unwillingness to label evil as evil itself is evil.
And then they called Ian an idiot.
But I won't read the rest of that.
ian crossland
You can't use the word to define the word.
No.
jim hanson
It's evil to use the word to define the word, isn't it?
lydia smith
It's very circuitous, I will say that.
jim hanson
And there was no harm done.
lydia smith
Yes.
jim hanson
True, true.
ian crossland
I was out of luck.
jim hanson
Maybe stole a little oxygen.
I mean, but I got high because there was less oxygen in the room.
So thanks, man.
tim pool
A couple of people have mentioned they became members but are having trouble logging in.
Just email members at timcast.com and we'll fix this.
And we have the engineers solving the problem, which should be soon.
Never to happen again.
Crack team.
It just these things happen.
And also someone's Ghost Crusaders wants to know the email for jobs.
It's jobs at timcast.com.
We are absolutely hiring the issue is we're a small company and we're hiring fat we have the ability to hire faster than we should and so there's a lot of considerations when a company grows really really quickly like human like human resources be challenged to you know Deal with 50 new employees all at once, so we have no choice but to have these, like, staggered growth.
But we're looking for, like, a news editor, paranormal editor, because we're doing that paranormal podcast.
And, uh, yeah.
ian crossland
I'd like to find a PHP developer that would like to work maybe on a month-by-month basis.
tim pool
That for the open source project?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Find me on Twitter.
jim hanson
Maybe find a journalist and have him learn to code.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, there you go.
Yeah, perfect.
ian crossland
I learned a code and it hit me up.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Trying to try it's it's there's too many super chats and so YouTube's loading really slow.
lydia smith
Suffering from success over here.
unidentified
Geez.
jim hanson
Yeah.
tim pool
Brown bear says Tim, please stop calling the M1 an iron sights rifle.
You can put a scope on it.
Iron sights is not a classification of firearms.
I'm just saying that like stock.
It doesn't have a picatinny rail.
It's probably better way to put it.
So, the point I'm trying to make is that if you have an M1A that has nothing but iron sights, it's still an assault weapon.
If it has a 10 round magazine, it's still an assault weapon.
It is wooden stock, long gun, doesn't matter what it has or what it doesn't have.
I'm just drawing that distinction, and I appreciate the correction on the full specs for the M1A.
The point I'm just making is, the SCAR-20S is a modern AR-15 that is totally fine.
So by their logic, this makes no sense.
They want to ban the AR-15, but they ban the M1A?
That's ridiculous.
jim hanson
They got that backwards.
It's supposed to be scary black guns.
tim pool
Exactly.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
Right?
jim hanson
Morons.
tim pool
Yeah, like a pistol grip on a Ruger 10-22.
You gotta get rid of that.
But the rifle grip is fine.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
Brilliant.
jim hanson
Chainsaw bayonet, though.
We're going back to those.
tim pool
Chainsaw bayonet.
Yeah, that was your set today, right?
Mike Sullivan says, Tim, gotta say I love your show.
Really honest, real talk about real-life issues.
25-year EMS firearms instructor.
Sent you an email.
Love to come on the show and talk two-way issues.
Also, love to teach you and your folks some TAC medical skills before you go on the road.
That'll be great, man.
Keegan Mooney says, first time chat, please make don't fight an alligator underwater t-shirts.
Maybe make the alligator look woke AF.
That's a really good idea.
lydia smith
Can you write that down?
tim pool
We're going to do that.
jim hanson
I'd wear that.
tim pool
That's a good, and we'll quote it to Ian.
That was a good Ian quote.
unidentified
It's a nice one.
tim pool
Don't fight an alligator underwater.
unidentified
I'll roll you around.
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
It's funny because it seems obvious.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Alright, we'll take a couple more super chats.
There's a...wow.
A lot of Super Chats came in talking about evil and things like that.
ian crossland
It is a fun debate.
unidentified
It is a deep, rooted debate.
tim pool
Someone made a statement, but I'm going to ask this question for the Super Chat.
Ian, if you had a time machine, would you kill baby Hitler?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
I thought a lot about that too.
Yeah, because something much worse may have come about.
He was a product of his times in many ways.
tim pool
What if he just hobbled him?
ian crossland
Might have been even worse.
jim hanson
He was already kind of hobbled.
The idea that doing something or not doing something because something worse might happen is a gutless move.
There are times when, I mean, it's the trolley paradox, all right?
I'm not going to do the trolley paradox, because what if I do it and it derails and 100,000 people get killed?
You know, you make the decision based on the context of the situation you're in.
And if you have the opportunity to go and stop evil, you should stop that evil, regardless of whether the potential that it could be worse exists.
ian crossland
Maybe, though, Mussolini would have conquered more of Africa and Europe, and then the Japanese would have taken Russia, and there wouldn't have been a reason for the United States to get involved with Britain.
jim hanson
Or maybe the Bavarians would have just drunk more beer without Hitler riling them all up.
And been happy just being fat and eating knockworts.
ian crossland
The argument is I like the way it turned out, as vicious as it was.
I like the way that the Allies won the war, and I don't want to mess with that.
tim pool
No, I don't know, man.
I saw a stat where they said there's two million less Jews alive today than there were in 1939.
So maybe if you could stop all that, you'd try.
You know what I mean?
But here's the important question.
Here's the important point, Ian.
You know, look, you loved adding parameters to the arguments, except when it comes to stopping Hitler.
What's up with that?
ian crossland
I just added a bunch of parameters.
tim pool
I could add a parameter.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
You can time travel.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So you go back and kill baby Hitler and then see what happened, and if it made it worse, then you try something else and kill him as a teenager.
ian crossland
Oh, and then you could go back again and not kill him?
Oh, of course!
I'd go back and... I don't want to go any further on that.
I'd try all sorts of crazy stuff if I had an infinite time machine.
jim hanson
I'd buy Apple stock.
Bitcoin.
tim pool
I'd go back to 2011 and I'd walk into the hackerspace where my buddy advised me not to buy thousands of Bitcoin.
ian crossland
Ethereum was 89 cents in 2012.
Virtually punch it in the face.
tim pool
No, I'd punch myself in the face.
Why didn't you buy it?
Alright, everybody.
Smash that like button.
Thanks so much.
Everybody did smash the like button.
It was weird.
We were at like 10k likes and then 2,000 just disappeared.
Creepy.
ian crossland
in the blink of an eye.
tim pool
Yeah, but then the awesome viewers just just fixed it.
So that's great.
So look smash the like button subscribe because we're about to break 1 million subscribers and I'm going to hit up
Google and be like, where's our gold?
Where's our gold award?
You got to give it to us now because we're big and famous.
And I'll go to Timcast.com become a member.
We're gonna have an exclusive members-only segment coming up in about an hour from now.
So thanks so much for all of you hanging out.
Leave us a good review on iTunes, Spotify if you haven't already.
Or check it out there if you'd like.
You can follow me on all social media platforms at Timcast.
And my other YouTube channels are YouTube.com slash Timcast and YouTube.com slash Timcast News.
This show is live Monday to Friday at 8 p.m.
So we'll be back tomorrow night.
Did you want to mention your books maybe?
Hold them up and show people, Jim.
lydia smith
Yeah.
jim hanson
Buy my books.
unidentified
Yes.
jim hanson
Because I will use the money to go back in time and kill baby Hitler.
I swear to God.
ian crossland
He's an honest man.
jim hanson
And I'll buy Apple stocks so I have more money when I come back.
lydia smith
And Bitcoin, yeah.
tim pool
And Bitcoin.
jim hanson
Winning the Second Civil War without firing a shot and the myth of white fragility.
They both kick ass.
tim pool
Right on.
You have social media you want to mention as well?
jim hanson
Jim Hansen, DC.
But when you go there, I'm grayed out because Twitter is evil and Jack Dorsey is some kind of cleric in a bad game of Dungeons and Dragons.
ian crossland
I did see your picture when I went to your page.
jim hanson
You've got to fight through the filters to get there.
Not that I ever violated the rules, but because Twitter is a gutless company that believes in social media credit scores and I kick their butt in arguments too much.
ian crossland
Jim, I'm glad you came.
I'm glad you exist.
It's really cool meeting you, man.
jim hanson
Dude, I'm glad you exist because we need to question things.
And you're a questioner.
ian crossland
That is true.
I'm on a quest.
The basis of my life is the quest itself.
Thanks, guys.
I'm Ian Crossland.
Get me at iancrossland.net and connect with me on social media there.
And if you are interested in this open source project that we're working on, message me on Twitter and I'll see if I can set you up with our chat room from there.
lydia smith
Very cool.
And I'm Sour Patch Lids.
I push buttons in the corner for a living.
It's a great job.
I wouldn't trade it for anything.
I love our guests, especially Jim.
That is a very cool looking book that I need to read as soon as I have time.
I'm Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and Mines and Real Sour Patch Lids on Gab and Instagram.
tim pool
Also, it's a great shirt.
You're wearing the Watchmen shirt.
Yeah, super cool.
lydia smith
Love it.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We will be back in the exclusive Members Only segment at TimCast.com.
So become a member and we will see you all there.
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