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April 1, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Facebook BANS Trump's Literal VOICE From Videos, Deletes Interview | w/Jack Murphy

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unidentified		you you
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Laura Trump did an interview with Donald Trump Facebook and Instagram deleted that interview quite literally because it included the voice of Donald Trump.
		This is one of the most egregious moves in censorship we have seen yet.
		I'm sorry, man, it makes me pessimistic to see this stuff every single day.
		It just seems to be getting worse.
		Facebook, I get they're like, oh, we're going to ban Trump's account and we all roll our eyes.
		They do it one step at a time.
		Going so far now as to say, you can't even interview the man.
		Trump was literally the President of the United States.
		You can't even interview him.
		To me, this is insane.
		And I gotta admit, it's demoralizing.
		But you know what?
		These things make me angry.
		And the angrier I get, the more I'm resolved to keep doing these things.
		Well, kind of give a big middle finger to the establishment that wants a censor.
		They're doing similar things to Crowder.
		They're upping the ante, trying to ban Steven Crowder, taking down his videos for arbitrary, inane reasons, claiming he violated rules he did not violate, and I can attest to that because I've spoken to Google, and I know they're lying about what's going on.
		But here it comes.
		It's getting worse.
		We had a bunch of other stories, too.
		The Chauvin trial is kicking up, and this woman was caught by the judge literally taking photographs, and he said, you got to delete these.
		And there are fears this woman, as a leftist, could expose the jurors who have already expressed their fear about what would happen If people find out who they are.
		It just seems to be getting worse every day, my friends, which means we need to be vigilant.
		We need to keep talking about these things, keep pushing back.
		And, you know, some people have been very pessimistic.
		I know that James Lindsay said maybe it's too late.
		Some have said the night is always darkest before the dawn.
		So we'll see how things play out.
		We're going to talk about all these stories.
		Joining us today is Jack Murphy.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Good to be here.
		Appreciate it.
		Hey, give me a follow, a subscription on YouTube.
		Jack Murphy live.
		I'd appreciate it.
		New videos every day.
		I got Curtis Yarvin and Michael Anton coming on a Friday.
unidentified		That is going to be spicy, spicy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's up everybody.
		Ian Crossland over here and regarding the anger talk.
		I like your metaphor.
		I think anger is like a fire and when it's out of control, it's very dangerous, but when it's controlled, it can cause massive motivation.
		So as we get angry, let's keep under control.
unidentified		I like Ian's philosophy this year.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Out of control.
		Better for the show.
		Let's go.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's wildfire.
unidentified		I did say hi.
		You did?
		Hi Lydia!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm here in the corner.
unidentified		Yeah, just commenting on Ian's wisdom.
unidentified		I like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My friends, if you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell.
		We are so close to breaking 1 million subscribers, and I hope to do it before we get banned, because maybe we will.
		Again, I know a lot of people are like, too, we'll never get banned.
		Dude, don't say never, because we've already gotten a warning on this channel.
		One more infraction, which we won't even understand what is an infraction, because it's just... The rules system is ridiculous on YouTube, okay?
		They're like, you can't do this thing.
		And you're like, okay, I won't.
		They give you one warning and you're like, I didn't realize that was the thing you were talking about.
		Because it's vague, and there's no panel, there's no judge, there's no jury, there's no conversation.
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		I know I said that last week.
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		This stuff freaks me out.
		Facebook and Instagram, non-person Trump, reports the Daily Mail.
		Platforms ban ex-president's interview with daughter-in-law Lara, where she signals he will run for president in 2024.
		Facebook and Instagram pulled the clip because it featured Trump speaking.
		That's it.
		So what does that mean?
		If I pull up an old video of The Apprentice, are they going to pull it down now?
		No more Apprentice, guys.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		My guess is no, because it's so haphazard and irrelevant of why.
		Should we try?
		Because it's politically motivated.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Should we try?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't usually poke the beast unless I need to poke the beast.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you get to that billion dollar media company first?
unidentified		And then we'll try it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then just like create the Donald Trump archive.
unidentified		Yes.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Were we just like, I mean, what happens if 60 minutes decided to interview the former president, the 45th president of the United States, and then they put up clips on YouTube or Tucker Carlson or whomever else.
		Standard mega media.
		They interviewed the ex-president talking about benign policy issues, whatever.
		They put it up on YouTube.
		Going to be deleted.
		That's it.
		The president can never.
unidentified		No, no, no.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Facebook.
		Facebook.
		Sorry.
		Let's let's get that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I got a theory here.
		It's because Facebook said they didn't want to do political ads anymore.
		Maybe they thought it was a political ad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		They said it was because it was... They literally said, look, the voice of Donald Trump.
		What if we do, you know, what are those things they do where they deepfake a voice?
		What is that called?
		Deepfaking?
		Probably.
		They did that thing with Joe Rogan where it was called like NotJoeRogan.com or something and they would type things in and it sounded like Joe Rogan was saying them.
		What if we just do that?
		What if we get a Donald Trump voice changer?
		And so we do this show with a mod on, so all of our voices are Donald Trump, all talking and arguing with each other?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm into.
unidentified		I love it.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Poke the beast!
unidentified		Poke the beast!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Test the algorithms!
unidentified		We persuaded you very easily to say fake voices.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Wait, can we not do mannerisms?
		Can we not do slogans?
		Can we not even do imitations now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		China.
unidentified		That's it, we're nukes!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're banned!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No more Facebook!
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Peace out everybody!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was Trump's son's wife was on Facebook talking, on video talking, saying that Donald Trump was going to run and there was a clip of his voice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They didn't say he was going to run.
		I guess Trump said people who want him to run should have hope and that's always because there's a bunch of laws that don't come into play as soon as you say you're running for president.
		So that's why they always wait till the last minute.
		We know they're gonna run.
		I think this is a really strong indication Trump will end up running.
		He's gonna be 78 years old.
		He's gonna run for president.
		And they're gonna ban him.
		Twitter was like, we're not letting him back on even if he does run for president.
		Dude, I look at the stuff that's going on today, you know, All of this stuff all over the world, the stuff that's happening in media, and it's just been blatant over and over again.
		Like that video, The Verge published this video of a Google meeting when Trump won the election, and there's people crying.
		And it's like the CEO, and he's like, we know how everyone's upset about this.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's like, We're never going to let that happen again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Yeah, we see it happening right in front of us.
		And then, you know, nothing happens.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You know, you know, you know why nothing happens is the people that run Facebook and these other companies are now in charge of antitrust division at the Department of Justice.
		And vice versa.
		Yeah, there's just like a steady flow back and forth.
		Matt Stoller has really been on top of this about who, which the personnel from which company is now at DOJ.
		No one is there to prosecute it.
		Why?
		Because we're living in a techno corporate fascist state where the Democratic progressive left and the corporations have fused in all of their intentions and they're acting in concert and they will never check each other because all they want to do is check us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the problem with the Democratic progressive left.
		That the anti-establishment left sides with them more often than not because they're given candy.
		You know, so the Democrats are like, here's AOC to say another thing is racist, and these far leftists, insurgent types, revolutionary types, antifa types, who should oppose Joe Biden and everything he stands for, support him!
		They come out and they're like, well, we don't like Joe Biden.
		We just voted for him because Trump is bad.
		It's like, so you think the establishment should regain control of the White House and do all that stuff?
		Sure, I guess.
		But more often than not, they dangle red meat from people like AOC and Bernie Sanders in front of the far left and the socialists, and they just take it.
		They take it.
		So there are a lot of anti-woke leftists who want a workers' revolution and all that stuff.
		K?
		Stop siding with the establishment.
		Donald Trump was not the base of power in this country, even as president, which was hilarious.
		He got some things done.
		He had power as president, but the entire machine was against him.
		For two years, the Republican Party was against him.
		It's like, who was it?
		Trey Gowdy?
		When the Russia thing comes up, they're like, well, we better look into this stuff because we want to make sure we're being thorough.
		It's like the guys, effectively the leader of your party, but they hated him.
		They wanted all of that stuff to happen to, you know, slow him up.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You gotta judge people by their actions, not by their words, right?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So if these people on the far left are voting for the establishment, supporting the establishment, supporting the techno-corporate fascist tyranny that we live under now, they clearly aren't really interested in a workers' revolution.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's sad and funny watching them get banned.
		When they come after Crowder, and they've been coming after Crowder, I think they just took down another one of his videos in the past couple of hours.
		So I want to be careful, too, because obviously I know Crowder, and so every time something like this happens, I'll be like, yo, can you confirm what's going on?
		So I don't know if he's mentioned it yet, but, you know, I've been talking to him.
		They're taking down more of his videos, and they're doing it in creepy ways.
		Like, okay, this one's not a strike, but we're giving you a warning here.
		The reason this is just outright awful, infuriating, because he didn't break any rules.
		They're lying.
		They're taking down videos where he literally cites the CDC, which is what he's supposed to do.
		And he is one of the staunchest, like, most ardent and high-profile advocates defending free speech for literally everyone, including these leftists who complain all the time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So when they go after him, it's like... He would go to, like, events where people were protesting and sit down and be like, debate me, have a conversation.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Change my mind.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Instead of fighting, let's have a real... And they're great.
unidentified		They're great.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're amazing!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's what kind of made him super famous was that stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he's had a lot of, you know, a lot of shows.
		He's hit out of the park.
		But here's what I'm trying to say.
		When I see these progressives get nuked, I go... Don't ban them, please.
		These people have a right to be on the platform.
		They have a right to their channels.
		There was one person who got banned from YouTube, and I follow this stuff.
		I follow the censorship.
		I see the progressives saying, these progressives just got banned.
		Where's the free speech, you know, freeze peach people?
		And I'm like, I'm right here, yo.
		Give them their channels back.
		Who do I got an email?
		One of them was just like ragging on me non-stop.
		And I'm like, I don't care.
		I want them to rag on me and say all the mean things about me.
		That's their right to do so.
		Good.
		We don't want a monoculture where only, you know, the Oracle can speak down from the high heavens.
		But you know what the problem is?
		I say it's sad, because I don't want it to happen, but it's kind of funny.
		Admittedly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's funny, like, watching someone melt.
		Like, it's horrifying, but it's like, haha!
		Or watching someone fall down and get hurt.
unidentified		Like, people laugh, but it's not funny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the guy who is smacking you in the face over and over again, then getting smacked in the face.
		And you want to be like, dude, we don't want the violence.
		I get they were hitting me.
		Don't hit them.
		Let's stop everything.
		But we want to laugh about it.
		It's like, if I'm against violence, I don't want them to befall violence.
		If I support free speech, and these people are advocating for my destruction, it's really annoying that when they get censored, of course I'm gonna defend them.
		What's frustrating about it is, look, the people who believe in individual liberties and free speech, we're the good guys.
		We are the good guys.
		Because we stand up even for our enemies.
		It's like, I grew up watching Batman.
		And you know what Batman would do?
		The Joker falls off a building and Batman grabs his hand and doesn't let him fall.
		Sherlock Holmes.
		The bad guy, Lord, uh, what's his name?
		Blackwood or whatever?
		Falls, and then Sherlock is like, alright, and he pulls him back up.
		The good guy saves the bad guy!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The problem is, if you ever watched G.I.
		Joe, when Cobra Commander would fall, Duke would grab him, and he'd be like, help me, Duke!
		And Duke would pull him up, and then Cobra Commander would be like, thanks, and he'd push him off the ledge.
		Exactly!
		So like, at what point do you stop helping your enemies?
		I don't know, that's the thing people are going through right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly it.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Don't lose your moral compass.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These people are going, ha ha ha, you're getting censored, you stupid bigot.
		And then when the ground falls out from under them, we reach out and grab them and say, hold my hand, brother!
		And we pull them up.
		And then as soon as we do, they push us off the edge and say, ban them now.
		That's the problem.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the worst.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		This reminds me of this whole thing going on right now with James Lindsay and his sort of style on Twitter.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like it's funny.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's hilarious.
		And I totally get it.
		Politeness has gotten us nowhere.
		Right.
		And that's his approach.
		Right.
		He's like, look, politeness isn't going to get us anywhere.
		We need to start being aggressive and crude and throw manners out the window because manners are political correctness, which is, you know, tyranny, which is mind control, et cetera.
		And it's a tough spot to be in holding your moral compass true, staying true to your
		values when doing that is like paving the road to your own demise.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's true, man. But, you know, I thought about this.
		We've got people who believe the ends justify the means.
		And so they think by being evil people who suppress people's rights, who take away their freedom of speech, that as soon as they take over, then everything can be fine.
		But there's no end.
		You never meet the end.
		Once they have their glorious revolution, they must fight to protect it from those who would stage another glorious revolution.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And the ones that they've inspired to be cruel and use evil are going to be the ones that are coming up to try and stop them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So the means you use are the means that will be used against you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And so that's why I just can never agree, but maybe it means we just sit back and watch the world burn.
		Because what I see happening now is these people who are authoritarian, they're despotic, they're liars, they're hypocrites.
		People like AOC, she screams Donald Trump is putting kids in concentration camps.
		Now that it's happening under Biden, what did she say today?
		There is no migrant crisis.
		So this is the other day.
		She said there is no migrant crisis.
		It's a crisis of imperialism.
		Lady, there's a migrant crisis.
		Even ABC's pointing it out.
		They're hypocrites.
		So what's happening is I'm watching these people go town to town, literally burning these towns down.
		That literally happened last year.
		And we're told...
		Being calm, polite, rational, and staying true to our beliefs is the only way forward, but they're still burning the cities down, both figuratively and literally, so what do we do?
		Do we decide to burn things down back?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's just gonna make everything burn down faster, and that's what they want.
		So I can only hope that we have this little fortified space, whereas everything else burns down, because weak, cowardly people give in and let them do it.
		We will have some sanctuary.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You know what you sound like right now?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You sound like John Galt.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the main character of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrine.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
		It's like, OK, you guys are going to burn the world down.
		Well, guess what?
		I'm going to build my own world and you can't come.
		And that's a little bit about what we're doing in the liminal order.
		It's what you're trying to do.
		It's what you are doing.
		You want to build your own walled garden with no masters, with no interference from the other institutions and the big tech companies and all that.
		Be left alone.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And liminal order is extremely successful.
		Like that mentality works.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It really does work because people are feeling the same thing and they want a space that's
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		protected from all this madness and mayhem.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, you know what?
		You know what it is?
		There's very few people like us.
		The people who are watching this, you watch it for a reason.
		I imagine we're all part of this ideology of some kind of classical liberalism, freedom.
		And I'm sure there's probably a lot of more authoritarian right individuals who watch
		for the sake of opposing the authoritarian left.
		But I think most people who watch, because we actually, we've had events, we've done polls, are libertarian left or libertarian right, mostly in moderate.
		There's just very few of us.
		People who are willing to stand up and defend the rights of the individual and freedom.
		And we start seeing how this cult mentality seeps through everything.
		And it's because regular people don't care, don't want to be involved.
		They just want to sit down and be told what to think.
		And I'm not trying to be mean to most people, but it really is the guy in the workplace who's like, I don't want to get into a fight with anybody.
		I don't talk about politics.
		I'm just going to sit here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's scary to become a target.
		Being on video and speaking your mind like this, it is a freaky proposition and it puts you in a bit of a vulnerable state, but also it gives you immense power once you start to do it and realize.
		Not that you're untouchable, but that you're stronger than you realize.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		But once you do become more or less untouchable, it's a crazy, liberating feeling, it's empowering, and it's more fuel to actually continue speaking the truth.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I worry that if, you know, obviously we don't want to see Crowder get taken out, but if Crowder does get taken out, Tim, like, you're like the lead dog then.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about me.
		I don't think we're that big.
		Like Crowder's got five something million subs.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Who's between you and Crowder?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		In this same space?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Jordan Peterson?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jordan Peterson's got way more subs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he's way bigger, way more influential.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Just saying, man.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		If Crowder goes, more attention will be the same team that's sweating Crowder's content.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You and Steven are very different.
		He's a comedian.
		Offensive comedy comedian.
		He really rides the line.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hate that idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Offensive comedy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Edgy comedy.
		He's not a gentle comic.
		He's kind of hardcore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've watched Crowder.
		I've watched Family Guy.
		Guess which one has more race-based and stereotype-based jokes?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm surprised.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's on TV.
		Every day, all day, every day, influencing kids and everybody, and good.
		I think it's a funny show.
		Crowder is nowhere near.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't want them to ban South Park, but if you watch one episode of South Park, it's a thousand times worse than anything any of us are saying.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm concerned with the terms of service of YouTube.
		When we were writing our terms of service at Mines, we were like, what if we just slide a little thing in there that says, and we retain the right to ban anyone at any time?
		They all say that.
		If that says that at YouTube, which it probably does, no one's safe.
		For any reason at any time.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		None of us are safe.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No, period.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		None of us are safe.
		And all it is is one little sentence.
		Yep.
unidentified		So in this regard, I do not sound like John Galt.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am not a fan of laissez-faire capitalism and big corporations that can do what they want on my private platform.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that we have, you know, the people have to come together and have some kind of agreement about what we don't let people do with power.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So on, right before I came up here, I tweeted out, I had the same thought.
		Libertarianism died with the birth of the internet, which isn't exactly right.
		But the gist is that the scale of the internet and the power that allows people and corporations to accrue, Is the just example prima facie evidence as why libertarianism is failed.
		Libertarian philosophy, right, would just be like... You mean big L libertarianism?
		Yeah, yeah.
		Not just leave me alone libertarianism, but like actual political philosophy of libertarianism.
		The theory would lead you to say, like, just let Amazon and Google do their thing.
		Just let Twitter and Facebook do their thing.
		They're a private company.
		They can own the water.
		They can do whatever they want.
		Just build your own, right?
		There's clearly not happening because now also there's just the prospect of the AI, right?
		Just like the super dominant AI that's going to cast a long night over everybody.
		And so libertarianism is dead.
		You can't just let the corporations do whatever they want.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you see WALL-E?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't you think it would be just so amazing to be able to just be morbidly obese with very weak skeletons floating around in hover chairs, drinking sodas, and just having everything done for you?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's what plants need.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Wrong movie, but you know what I'm talking about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's what plants do!
		Think about WALL-E.
		These people might as well be a shrub in the corner of the room.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		There's really very little difference between the WALL-E character and the guy in the pod in The Matrix, right?
		Very little.
		Very little.
		Because you're just there to serve the system.
		That's it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, I get pessimistic seeing this stuff.
		Like with the Chauvin trial stuff, it was really creepy to see this woman try taking photos in the court and the judge just goes, well, just delete that photo for me.
		OK, moving on.
		I'm like, bro, throw her out.
		Bar her from the courtroom because deleting the photo doesn't delete the photo.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It might have automatically uploaded it to some server.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		It's already on iCloud, baby.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So who was she, just watching the trial?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She was a PR person, apparently.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so there's a lot to talk about in terms of... Let's jump into stuff about the Chauvin trial, specifically.
		Because this is the kind of stuff that freaks me out.
		TheNation.com, one of the premier leftist publications.
		I mean, they've been around for a long time.
		They got an article that says the acquittal of Derek Chauvin has already begun.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		I think he will be acquitted.
		I don't know for sure.
		Don't take my word for it.
		If I had to put ten bucks down, I'd say ten bucks on acquittal.
		That's just me.
		I'm not saying I'd make a real bet.
		I wouldn't, because I don't know.
		But the nation agrees.
		The left agrees.
		Many on the right think he's not going to be convicted.
		And they have this really, really great passage.
		Let me just read this paragraph for you.
		They say Chauvin's trial started this week, and soon, a jury comprised mainly of white people, of this we can be almost certain, will tell us whether they think killing a black man should be a crime.
		In a reasonable world, this trial would be perfunctory.
		Hell, in a reasonable world, there wouldn't even be a trial.
		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Uh, I'm gonna make a small wager that he had to look up, or she had to look up, what perfunctory meant.
unidentified		Just to double check.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's very pompous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, spicy!
		However, there's more.
		Chauvin would have accepted some kind of plea deal.
		That's what most people do when they are caught on camera killing someone.
		So they're not saying outright ban trials.
		However, this sentiment is echoed by Chelsea Handler, who in my opinion probably read that article, because Newsweek.com reports Chelsea Handler sparks backlash for suggesting trials be skipped when there's video evidence.
		Look, to an ignorant person, they're gonna go, uh, there's literally video of it, what's the point of a trial if we all watched it happen?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, to those people, on the ignorant level, even if Chauvin's body killed the other guy's body, uh, what's his name?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Floyd.
		George Floyd.
		Say his name!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter if one body kills another, you still have to determine the intention.
		That's what the trial would be for.
		If anything, to figure out the intention of the guy.
		But they're even trying to figure out the whole situation.
		They want to go deeper.
		They want to find out was Floyd on fentanyl and out of his mind and on his way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, that we know for sure.
unidentified		You're right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We know because of the tox report and things like that.
		The issue is breaking down all the facts, having a debate, an argument, a trial over what Chauvin did and whether or not it was reasonable, whether or not, as you mentioned, intent.
		So, when you have these low-information individuals, leftists who are like, there wouldn't even be a trial, I should take a plea, and then Chelsea Handler saying, we should skip the trial, we saw it on video.
		That's a scary reality, man.
		How many followers does Chelsea Handler have?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, don't ever make those jokes on Twitter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's influencing a lot of people, and this is where we're at right now.
		So when I see this stuff, and I see a story that when you look at all the details from a rational point of view, The Minneapolis Police Department, and this is evidence put out by the defense, and there's a photo of this, trained the police to use the particular restraint that Chauvin did.
		Why?
		Because if you put your knee on someone's back, you can cause asphyxiation.
		So they move the knee to the neck so that their chest can still move up and down and they can still breathe.
		Apparently that's why Chauvin did that.
		He was trained to do it.
		They also have all these witnesses who said they were yelling at him, you're gonna kill him, and these things.
		You think he could hear every single person screaming at him at the same time?
		He has no idea what's going on.
		Now, if you want to have a conversation about manslaughter, we've long suggested there's a real argument there.
		That's why a trial must be had to get to the bottom of this.
		You know what the craziest thing about all this is?
		I'm almost swearing at these people.
		We put the Nazis on trial.
		We literally put Nazis on trial.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Nuremberg trials.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we were like, we want them to stand trial.
		Why?
		Because even if you can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt and everyone's seen the evidence, you want to present it in a legal court so it can be in the record, legitimate, verbatim, legacy, history, boom, there's the records.
		It happened.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Chelsea said that when Trump got impeached, they should just skip the trial and throw him right out?
unidentified		Probably not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Skip the trial.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No trials.
		You know, this is just a continuation of the degradation of due process that we've seen across the country.
		Title IX regulations totally stripped men and people accused of sexual harassment, sexual assault of their due process.
		Donald Trump fixed it.
		Joe Biden is trying to turn it back.
		They don't want due process.
		They saw a video.
		A girl said it.
		Believe all women.
		If Kavanaugh had the same treatment that Chelsea Handler is suggesting, Kavanaugh would never be a Supreme Court justice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because he'd be in jail.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Because a woman said that the guy, you know, they, you know, group raped him or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you see that New York Times article about Smith College where it was the black student who was in the closed dorm room?
		So for those who don't know the story.
		There's a black student.
		She was in a dorm that was closed.
		A janitor was told, if you see anybody in the building, call campus security or police because there's not supposed to be anybody here.
		Apparently, she had an arrangement where she was allowed to be there, but the janitor didn't know, so he called and said, hey, there's somebody here.
		The cop came up, walked up to her and said, hey, how's it going?
		Uh, what's going on?
		Oh, you're cheating.
		Oh, okay, no problem.
		Sorry for bothering you.
		How's your day going?
		All right, have a nice day.
		That was it.
		She then makes this video where she was like, someone called the cops on me for just eating and, you know, and being black, when in reality it was that somebody was told to call the cops, if that was the case, and an independent review found there was nothing wrong.
		But hold on, this is the important point.
		The New York Times wrote that her, what did they say?
		They said, this student's personal, personal truth was at odds with the facts.
		They were like a shocking moment for a student whose personal truth was at odds with the facts.
		That's called being wrong.
		But the way they're framing it now is that we all have our personal truth, our lived experience.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Standpoint theory.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Call that perception.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And everyone has a different one.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		This sounds like the same thing that happened to AOC when she was not in the Capitol building, but a cop came in to be like, Like, hey, what are you doing?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You gotta get out of here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But like an hour before anyone went into the building anyway.
		Amazing.
		That was apparently because there was a bomb scare.
		And AOC makes this story.
		Man, it's so obvious she's lying to anybody who followed the news, but I see so many people who just don't know and they believe it.
		I was even talking to a Huffington Post journalist who was like, your timeline's wrong, AOC, blah, blah, blah.
		And so I started researching it and I'm like, yo, a full hour before anyone breached any part of this building, any part of it, And before they were even fighting with the cops, I think they had just started scuffling, the cop was clearing out a different building because of a potential bomb scare.
		And everybody went back because nobody ever went in those buildings.
		The story she told was very much as though she was in the Capitol and people were looking for her.
		She lied.
		She was like, I'm like, they got in.
		They're going to find me.
		And I thought I was going to die or whatever.
		It's like nobody got in any building.
		Why would you be thinking that before literally anyone, any of this happened?
		Because she's lying.
		Because their lived experience.
		I love this meme.
		It's, uh, you know the Winnie the Pooh meme?
		Where it's like, Winnie the Pooh's sitting down, then he's got a monocle, then he's wearing a full tux.
		It's like, getting fancier.
		It's like, the first one says, my opinion, and it's regular Winnie the Pooh.
		The next one is, he's got a monocle, it says, anecdotal evidence.
		And then the tuxedo says, my lived experience.
		It's exactly what it is.
unidentified		Smart.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		They want to- Lived experience in this notion is part of radical feminism, critical race theory.
		It's embedded in their entire philosophy, their philosophy of activism and change.
		And so if CRT continues its march through its institutions, if it continues its march through the legislative process, through its bureaucracies, due process is gone.
		Fact is gone.
		The only thing that will matter is people's personal truths.
		If you're the right person.
		I don't think my personal truth is going to matter much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You know, so, uh, before we do this show, sometimes I'll either watch Star Trek The Next Generation if it's on, but today it was Sliders.
		You guys ever watch Sliders?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love that show.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god, dude, from the 80s?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Were they late 90s?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, to me, it's all the same.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I watch late 90s shows, that's why I'm watching Outer Limits and mid-90s Star Trek Next Generation.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Sliders, this is where they, like, time travel, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, the actors.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Dimensions?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dimensional travel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The episode today was they go to a dimension.
unidentified		Listen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They go to a dimension where it's a religious takeover.
		It was fascinating to watch.
		This is really relevant to everybody.
		Okay, listen to this.
		Sliders is the late... It's 1998, I think, was the year.
		I'm not entirely sure.
		And they go to this reality where everyone is a believer in this essentially mockery of, like, Christianity, right?
		And there's a point in the show where they say, Wow!
		You know, this is a reality, a government that's all about tradition, family values, and faith, and spirituality.
		And then one of the characters from Earth Prime, which is ours, he goes, we had politicians who wanted to implement those same kind of laws in our Earth, but I guess this is what it would be like if they won.
		It's funny.
		But watching it, I was like, it's actually more like critical race theory.
		I don't think it matters what the religion is.
		When ideological moral authoritarians take over, it looks the same.
		So watching this, it was very much from the perspective of people who practice science were demonized and criminalized, and the religion was paramount.
		And, you know, they would arrest you if you admitted you did science, or if you didn't have your IDs and stuff like that.
		But I'm like, that analogy makes more sense in terms of cancel culture and critical race theory than it does to Christianity or any religion right now that's in the United States.
		Like, they don't believe in science.
		Although in this instance, they claim to believe in science when they literally don't.
		And if you believe the wrong thing, they'll cancel you.
		They'll cancel you for any reason.
		The scary thing about totalitarianism and authoritarianism is that there is nothing you
		can do.
		Even if you follow the rules, you are expendable.
		You are like fingernails to be clipped.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And the thing about science is nice is if a new idea appears, you don't smash it out
		and destroy it like you would without a trial person or something.
		You put it on trial.
		A new idea goes on trial.
		That's the scientific method.
		And you test it.
		And that's why it's better than religion.
		Or otherwise better than religion in the 16th century when they would murder people and burn them at the stake for suggesting that the earth revolved around the sun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am not going to sit here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am- No, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		Hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to sit here and listen to your white supremacy.
unidentified		Science is white supremacy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Science.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have a point!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How do you come back to that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was gonna take it somewhere.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		People in the audience were like, are they really fighting?
unidentified		No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They said the critical race theorists believe modern science and the idea of objectivity is racist.
		White supremacy.
		So your ideas about going on trial and challenging ideas, we all agree on that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The scientific method is not perfect.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I do agree.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's specifically stated in their literature that a reliance on data Yeah, you don't want to be obsessive.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to rely on data to your death.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There is points where data can be wrong.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		And the irony that I experience as working in the charter school industry and working
		at a regulator that oversaw like 60 charter schools in D.C.
		was that they kept saying over and over again, we're data driven, data driven, data
		driven, which they need to be, You like, you like study, you know, how, where the kids are failing so that you can drill down and like reinforce stuff.
		Data-driven, data-driven, data-driven, but then they start bringing in the CRT stuff and all the CRT stuff is like reliance on data, white supremacy, reliance on science, white supremacy, reliance on objectivity, white supremacy.
		And so at the same time as they're preaching data, data-driven analytics, data-driven education, they're starting to slide that out and be like, oh, the achievement gap.
		Oh, standardized testing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't hate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, hold on.
		Let's let's talk about critical race theory, because as we're bringing this up, I have to pull this up.
		This tweet from Eugene Gu, MD.
		You know, Eugene, right?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		On Twitter.
		Maybe I do, maybe I don't.
		I'm not gonna go down with him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's a very high-profile, never-Trumper Twitter personality.
		I'm blocked.
		Oh, I'm blocked for sure.
		Who's this guy?
		Eugene Goo.
		And he's posting some of the most fringe and insane critical race theory social justice stuff.
		You're all gonna get a kick out of this one.
		But I'll just point out, I see all these tweets where people are commenting on something I can't see.
		That's because I'm blocked by the guy.
		So all you do is you right-click it and you put open in a private tab and boom, you see it.
		Here's what I saw.
		Eugene Gu said, Also, white people in power are experts at dividing and conquering to stay in power.
		To which I responded, It's actually white people's fault that a black man brutally beat an Asian lady.
		Get your heads right, bigots.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No doubt about it.
unidentified		100%.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No joke!
unidentified		They're literally... Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		An Asian woman was brutally beaten in broad daylight by a black man.
		And I don't think the race matters.
		I think the crime matters.
		I don't care if it was a Jewish guy who beat the Asian lady, or a quarter-Korean Japanese guy who did it, or a black guy who did it.
		I think it's the crime that matters, that we want to focus on.
		Because we want people to be seen as equals, not as though it's a person's race that drives this, you know, this attack or something.
		But what they're doing, and I saw this, there was a TikTok that went viral from a black woman.
		She was like, y'all are really trying to say this?
		To imply that black people don't have the agency to know right from wrong?
		And that white people in power are the ones who are supposed to dictate it?
		That's so insanely racist!
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		The whole thing from the left is no personal agency, none, not for women, not for minorities, not for anybody except white people, white people, which is this, which is actually white supremacy.
		Right now, only white people can elect their own behaviors.
		There is what they're saying.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There is an authority, a global monarchy.
		You could argue it was the Romans and then it was the Nords that took over England that created the British crown that monopolized the globe.
		And they do have a banking You know, we talk about the Fed.
		Already basically suppressed a class of people.
		It's a class war.
		We're facing a class war and people of different skin colors may or may not
		fall into different classes.
		And it did start with the Romans and it was the British for a while in their skin
		color did happen to be kind of this color.
		Here's the D, but that doesn't mean it's this color.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the behavior.
unidentified		All right.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		The day for letting me read this element of this whole thing is that the BLM CRT
		people are creating a false consciousness in the black folks in America so that they
		are distracted by the fact that there is a class war and that the corporations are
		dominating them and they are controlling their lives and they don't care about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not just black people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're doing it to everyone.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Well, to all of us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was a woman in... I say that because it's Black Lives Matter saying it.
		Right, right, right.
		The woman in San Francisco, she was a school board member, vice president of the school board or whatever, went on this Twitter thread about how she's trying to convince Asians to become critical race theorists, to join the cult.
		And then she calls them racial slurs.
		So they're going after everybody.
		I was gonna tweet something earlier.
		I said not to because I was like, this is gonna be too spicy.
		You know how I was gonna tweet?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Oh, are we going to get canceled on?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll say it right now.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Oh boy.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Jack, it was good being here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Black Lives Matter.
unidentified		You're right.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how to respond.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you agree?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've been faced with this very question in the street, surrounded by 30 angry people all alone at two o'clock in the morning.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		And you know what I said?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What'd you say?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why, you just want to poke the mob?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No, because they were trying to force me to say something that I didn't believe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In the truest basic context of the sentence.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Black lives matter.
unidentified		Lowercase b, lowercase l, lowercase m. Asian lives matter.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		We've seen that one now.
		Hispanic lives matter.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		LGBTQIA plus lives matter.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Women's lives matter.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yes, for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's everyone, right?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		White people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that everybody?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		White people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did I forget anybody in that lives matter thing?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		The Jews.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jewish lives matter.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Do they?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Cool, I'm half in.
unidentified		Alright, alright.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that everybody?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Neanderthal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we got everybody.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, Neanderthal lives didn't matter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got everybody?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We murdered all of them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got everybody?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You didn't mention white people.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think that matters.
unidentified		Whoa, whoa.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying, if I want to get racial for a moment... Don't be racist, bro.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's white supremacist to say those things.
		Thank you for checking me.
		So I saw these funny posts, like Babylon Bee brought it up, where they were like, you know, you saw this story.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No, but they're funny and they're on point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm just laughing anyway.
		It was like liberal posts, signs in the yard saying, Black Lives Matter, Asian Lives Matter, and Hispanic Lives Matter.
		Getting very, very close to All Lives Matter.
unidentified		Dangerously close.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dangerously close to All Lives Matter.
		And so I thought about that for a second, and I was like, why isn't that All Lives Matter?
		The reason why you can't say All Lives Matter, but you can say literally everything else, is white people.
		That's the creepiest thing.
		And I'll tell you this too.
		It's remarkable.
		They have this idea in critical race theory that only minorities can define their experience dealing with racism.
		Unless, of course, you're a minority who disagrees with them, like Candace Owens.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Or a woman that decides she wants to stay home, or a woman that decides she wants to do whatever, be married, or whatever.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Women can do anything they want.
unidentified		Except the things I don't want you to do if they get permission from the cult, right?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		so my kids high school the principal the day after the The the massage parlor shooting right where the guy killed
		a couple of white girls and like six Asian ladies The day after the principal sends out an email to everyone
		saying Asian American hate and da da da this race-driven You know come we'll have this after-school kumbaya to come
		together against white supremacy culture yada yada
		This was before any of the facts were out, any of the data was out.
		And it got me thinking, you know, and it makes me, it makes me have to talk to my kids about it.
		Like, I don't want to have to talk to my kids about that every day.
		But when the principal is sending this to me, and I know that they're talking to kids about it, I have to talk to them about it.
		And I brought up to my daughter who is looking at colleges and she's really smart and she has crew.
		So she's like looking at Ivy League colleges, right?
		And she knows what all the acceptance rates are.
		She knows what all the average SATs you need to get.
		And she knows that Asian kids need to get like 400 points higher on the SATs in order to get accepted to Harvard compared to other students of equal SATs.
		That's what the DOJ lawsuit was all about that Donald Trump's DOJ initiated.
		Well, what was the first thing that Joe Biden did besides putting trans people into sports and getting rid of Title IX?
		They dropped that lawsuit.
		So now it's very clear to my daughter, just living through this, that everybody's piling on Asian American hate, Asian American hate, white supremacy, white supremacy.
		But then she's also like, well, why do they have to get 400 points higher on SAT just to get into Harvard?
		And why is Joe Biden not fighting for them?
		Why isn't Joe Biden fighting for Asian Americans?
		Is that white supremacy?
		Is Joe Biden a white supremacist?
		He is.
		Wait, is that defamation?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's an opinion, but the left would agree with you.
		Let me ask you, Jack, and for everyone in the audience that are listening that are white.
		When you were filling out job applications when you were a kid, when you were 16, getting your first job, and for those years, was there ever a consideration your family gave special thought to when you were filling out these applications and listing your race?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No, I just put down for occasion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was told to lie.
		I was told to lie.
		I was told I have to lie.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What did you have to lie to?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was told by my parents that if I admitted I was Asian, they would discriminate against me because it's legal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's allowed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And you're right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		It's always been that way.
		And I was told to lie.
		They said, there's no special interest group for you.
		They will be racist against you.
		They will discriminate against you and it's okay.
		They allow it.
		So you're better off either just saying you're white and hoping they don't ask about it, and then maybe just lie, or say you're Hispanic or something, because maybe then you might get left alone.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I think that the Asian American population is going to be the strongest ally the anti-woke have in America moving forward.
		Asian ideas of meritocracy are antithetical to the woke left, right?
		Because meritocracy means I can do it.
		I can fix it.
		I can work hard.
		I can get up at five o'clock in the morning to make the donuts, if anybody's old enough to catch that reference.
		And I can get ahead.
		I don't know that reference.
		Yeah, because you're not old enough to have... Krispy Kreme?
		Nope.
		Dunkin' Donuts.
		Time to make the donuts.
		This guy gets up at 4 o'clock in the morning and every morning he wakes up, time to make the donuts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that Dunkin' Donuts used to have a handle?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The donuts actually, they would bake them with a handle on it that you would hold.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Of pastry?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A handful of pastry?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like if it was a donut, but a piece of the donut would stick up, you'd hold and dip it in your coffee.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that sounds pretty good to me.
		I haven't had a donut in years, but I would crush one right now.
		Anyway, back to the more... The point is that meritocracy is antithetical to progressive left.
		The biggest divide that we have is between blank slate and determinists, and people who say, I can do it, and people who say, I can't do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I love this.
		Before I started kindergarten, my Asian mom was tutoring me, my siblings in math.
		We were like babies who couldn't even barely communicate.
		I'm being homeschooled.
		I was being taught how to play chess.
unidentified		I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because for whatever reason, that Yes.
		that exists in the minds of my grandma or her parents or whatever.
		And it was passed down.
		And also my grandfather, who was a World War II vet.
		And he also was a very, you know, work hard and you two can make it.
		But he was also super progressive, man.
		He dedicated his life to helping underprivileged and minority communities.
		That's what he did, and he sacrificed so much for that.
		And this is a guy who, when it was illegal to be in mixed-race relationships, absolutely went for it.
		He was as progressive as they come.
		He still believed in hard work and earning your place.
		I remember one time, I was hanging out with him, and we had, I was hungry, and I was broke, and I was crashing at his place, I was like 18, and he had moldy bread.
		That was all he had.
		And I made a sandwich and then realized I was mold on it, and he goes, come on, you realize what it was like in the depression?
		He grabs it and just shoves it in his mouth, and he's like, you take what you can get.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		He's like, I ate shoes, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man.
		Yup.
		And he was progressive.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What did he do during the Great Depression?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, but that progressive is just a different term.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		My grandma worked when she was like nine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She ate moldy bread.
		He was like, you want to talk about what we ate back then?
		And he just ate the moldy sandwich.
		And I'm like, I think he can get sick from doing that.
		I'm this pampered guy.
		But I think about that idea of meritocracy, and it's absolutely true, man.
		Just the culture in general is very much, I'm reminded of this family guy joke where it's a kid, it's an eight, okay, I'm gonna ruin it, but the joke was something like, you're as strict as Asian parents or whatever, and then it's, a door opens and an Asian middle-aged guy walks in and he goes, are you a doctor yet?
		And then the kid goes, dad, I'm 12, and he goes, Tell me when you're a doctor!
		And then he walks out and it's like, it's, it's, it's funny.
		I get the joke from Family Guy and I like it.
		It makes me laugh because the point is they're very, very strict and hardworking.
		Like the parents are like, you have to be a doctor, work harder.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's expectations.
		It's expectations.
		So wait, this is, this is, this, okay.
		I don't know how to frame this without getting in trouble.
		So I'm just going to be very delicate about it.
		There are people that come from all over the world, all kinds of races, all kinds of cultures that come to the United States and succeed.
		Sure, these are people that have elected to come across an ocean, start a new life, so it's a certain mentality, right?
		Black Nigerians and and Korean Christians, you know, it's a whole anybody basically if you look at who makes money in America There's a whole list of immigrants and foreign nationalities and and and different genealogies that make more money there is a psychological issue with the Am I going to get in trouble for saying this?
		It's a specifically African-American circumstance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's not true.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You don't think so?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It dates back to slavery?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The slavery stuff?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are the ones complaining about meritocracy?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's white progressives.
unidentified		Is it though?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the outgroup bias comes from white progressives in the suburbs.
		This is what I can't stand.
		It's funny, it's paradoxical.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		They hate white people, they should hate themselves.
		I'm talking about the mindset that gets instilled in your children.
		That's what I'm talking about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The mindset of what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't work, ask the government for free stuff that comes from these white socialists?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Are you a doctor yet?
		Are you a doctor yet?
		I know, but that's a mindset.
		It's the mindset that breeds the success, I think.
		Unless we want to get into, like, actual genes and DNA and IQ and things.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a good conversation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you this.
unidentified		No, no, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We need a geneticist on the show.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Or not doing it on YouTube.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Growing up on the south side of Chicago, we have... There's a word you've probably heard.
		Hustling.
		Hustlers.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because the people on the south side of every race We're working and finding a way in any way possible to make money and to come up.
		Some of them would go in bad directions because it was a path towards acquiring something.
		A lot of people would sell CDs.
		Some people would sell drugs.
		Not always a good thing, but it was hustling and working really hard.
		And then I grow up from the south side of Chicago in this mixed-race community of all the people who are hustling every day.
		They want to come up.
		And then I go see these white, white suburb kids who are like, I think the government should pay for everything.
		So I'll tell you, man, it's the, it's the people who are living in the gutter, who are fighting tooth and nail of all different backgrounds and races to figure something out.
		And then you get these people who are born into these uppity well-to-do liberal circles.
		For some reason, they're, they don't believe in meritocracy.
		They don't want to work hard.
		They quite literally say work is obsolete.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I, you know, I don't know any of those people.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Honestly, I don't know any of those white uppity suburban people who feel like they want the government to provide everything because all of the white suburban people that I come in contact with and Asians and whatever are all like, you better study, you better get 1600, you better get into Harvard.
unidentified		What?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		These are like high school kids and their parents are telling them the same thing.
		They got two lawyers for parents.
		They're looking at their kids.
		They're like, you better do this.
		Lawyer yet?
		Lawyer yet?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at the data on in-group out-group bias and who, which group is anti, like hates white people and is predominantly, is overwhelmingly progressive.
		Black Lives Matter is overwhelmingly white.
		The data shows us this.
		The people are pushing critical race theory and we're pushing socialism are overwhelmingly white.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		The foot soldiers are overwhelmingly white, but the founders of Black Lives Matter are not white.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like Sean King.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		of Black Lives Matter.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Listen, man.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You going there?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's got...
		We look at the data, and I see there is historical racism, remnants of these old policies we've
		gotten rid of that still have lingering effects, and I see from the civil rights fight, the
		battle for civil rights, to today, the people fighting for the status quo are these white
		progressives.
		They're far left economically.
		They're far left socially.
		And these are the people who are making things worse for everybody.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about D'Angelo.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People like that.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		But then there's Kendi.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it seems like race isn't a factor in whether or not you believe stupid things and want to destroy the lives of your children.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, calling people Asian is about as ignorant as you can be.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's like saying Earthling, basically.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or like saying a North American.
		Like for someone that's from Mexico, he's a North American.
		Asia's a continent.
		People from India are Asian.
		People from Pakistan are Asian.
		People from Japan are Asian.
		They're all very different culturally.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		That guy that... No, no, never mind.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I got my events mixed up in my head just there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And yet, head news on ABC.
		Asian hate.
		It's a...
		Continent!
		It's the biggest continent on Earth.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		With the most people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Russia's technically European, even though it spans all across Asia.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No, it's Eurasian.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, because it's on both continents.
		Correct.
		The capital was in Europe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at the Russians who live on the east coast of Russia.
		Yeah, Kazakh or whatever.
		No, no, east coast.
		I'm talking about like north of North Korea.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And near Japan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they look like East Asians.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's insane that people are called Asian.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's insane to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a continent.
		Listen, in the UK it creates problems because Indian, you know, people from India?
		Asian.
		Middle Eastern?
		Asian.
unidentified		Yes, Middle Eastern.
unidentified		That's how they do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's like, what does it even mean?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		But it doesn't mean anything, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean that people from Pakistan have to get 400 points higher on their SATs to get into Harvard?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No, I suppose it's if you just have a name that sounds Chinese or Japanese or Korean.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's about as racist as you can get.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		That's why we were trying to sue them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or culturally impotent.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		And Biden is like, no, we're not going to try to prosecute that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are people who want to exploit Other people.
		And they tell them lies to do it.
		And you will see that there are people of all different backgrounds and all different races who believe very, very intelligent things and have great ideas and work hard and study.
		And the point is, you brought it up earlier, all over the world people come from all different countries.
		From Korea, from Japan, China, from Colombia, Brazil, Nicaragua, Nigeria, and they find success here.
		There's something about these progressive Americans, and I say mainly the white ones, but it is of all different backgrounds, absolutely, who believe dumb things.
		So I want to bring this point up.
		I think when you look at the success of many of the immigrants who come here, you can see, like, this is one of the reasons I absolutely just despise people using race as a pretext for any one of these ideas, because you're not going to tell me, dude, these Nigerian families who come here and find tremendous success are indicative of some kind of racial issue.
		Nah, man, they prove the opposite.
unidentified		They prove it's Americans That's what I just said a minute ago and you pooh-poohed me.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I said it was uniquely African American.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		The circumstances.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It sounded like you were saying it was specific to black people in America.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		That's yes.
		No, I'm no to African-American population.
		So not not not not Africans in America, right?
		That's it.
		There's a distinction.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it sounded like you were saying that the problems that were that we were seeing with a progressive left and a lack of meritocracy and constructivism was specific to black people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you you mean to people in the United States who are in the black community?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Of African-American descent, like have been in the United States in African-American descent for generations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I still think you are wrong.
		Fine.
		Because it is mostly white progressives who are pushing these ideas.
		And yes, there are many people in Black Lives Matter who support it, but Black Lives Matter protests, according to the data, predominantly white.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		What I'm talking about is performance.
		The data.
		So as an educator, I constantly looked at test scores and competency and achievement.
		And the data is very clear, very clear, even adjusting for geography, adjusting for urban versus rural, adjusting for income.
		Okay.
		So the achievement gap is very clear.
		It is African American, Hispanic, white, and an Asian like this.
		And the graph goes like this, even for income, right?
		So like the more money you make, everybody's achievement goes up, but the difference between the four groups is consistent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's something American.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's something in America.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yes, which is what I think I mean is Africa.
		But we're talking we were talking about particularly that thing.
		But yes, I hear what you're saying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the issue is we have become a wealthy nation and our children have rested on the laurels of the children of those who found success.
		You go a generation of hard workers who found success.
		They have kids.
		Those kids don't understand the hard work it took to achieve the success.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who you're hanging out with, dude, because all the guys, all the people in the suburbs of Washington, D.C., they are stone-cold killers.
		And they are doing everything they possibly can.
		Enormous, enormous arms race of studies, and tutors, and programs, and a thousand after-school programs, and you gotta get a 1600, and you gotta have a 5.0 GPA.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that's the bubble you're in, bro.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in my suburbs, in Akron, Ohio suburbs, it was like, you mentioned the hustle, and you mentioned test scores, and it's a combo, I think.
		Because some people will hustle, but they'll sell drugs and go to prison.
		Some people will ace every test and have no hustle.
		And you need a combo to succeed in this world.
		I could ace every test, but I didn't learn how to hustle.
		I didn't have to.
		That's why.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are more poor white people in this country than poor people of other races.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the largest demographic.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		In absolute gross numbers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And you're not going to tell me that the progressive socialists That are going to college and graduating are not these uppity progressive well-to-do liberals.
		And I'll tell you this, the crackhead kids from my neighborhood who are white and those who died doing drugs are also not overt progressives.
		They're all like day laborers.
		They all work really hard and they do menial labor and they're tradesmen and things like that.
		Some of them died because These are not the people who are reading books about anti-racism, nor do they care about it, nor do they watch shows like this.
		Some of them might, most of them don't.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		The reason why I bring up the discrepancy in the test scores and achievement and stuff, after controlling for urban, rural, and income, why is that important?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's important because we have to understand what the real issues are in order to address them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, now here's the problem with that.
		That's exactly what the critical race theorists are doing.
		And what happens is they recognize some very real problems.
		Like, if you go back to redlining and blockbusting, very real policies that existed until the 1980s.
		Sure, you can control for income now, but can you control for the generational wealth of knowledge and culture that's been passed down for hundreds of years by people who have settled and traveled all over the world to come to this country versus people who are literally enslaved only a few hundred years ago?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I think we're making the same argument, dude.
		I think there's a specific set of circumstances that have created problems specifically for the achievement of the African-American community.
		Slave descendant, been here through Jim Crow, the whole thing.
		Specifically around that.
		It's not necessarily race, right?
		Because the black Nigerians come to America and they make money.
unidentified		That's what I was trying to clear up.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		We are in agreement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to point something out because I said this the other day.
		I said it on Twitter.
		I have infinitely more respect for illegal immigrants who are willing to climb over climb over mountains, traverse vast swaths of desert to come to America to get that dream than these uppity anti-American slavocracy.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't want illegal immigrants come to America because for a number of reasons.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		However, I totally respect the hustle.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're descendants of illegal immigrants.
		They weren't invited to this country, to the North American's land.
		They weren't asked to slaughter and take... There was no country.
		Yeah, well, there was.
		We just didn't know anything about it.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		There were all sorts of tribes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there were nations of Native Americans that lived here, the Cherokee, the Sioux.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Which is a good reason to say we don't want illegal immigrants to come, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's also a good reason to say I respect the hustle of the illegal immigrant.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We're descended from it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We want immigrants to come, especially those of that level of gumption, and we want them to enter legally.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		That's why I said illegal.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But I also don't want stupid laws.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about if we could take all of these people who are like, I'm going to ride on top of a train for thousands of miles and then like walk through the desert because I want to be in America.
		Imagine if we got these people to come in here and start businesses.
		It'd be great for the economy.
		I mean, those values of work hard and succeed and fight for what you want and you want to achieve.
		Brilliant.
		Meanwhile, we got people who are like, life sucks, the government should pay for it and I don't want to work.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Something about that hustle you talked about earlier.
		I think it's a big part of it.
		And maybe it's too vague, probably broken down more things.
		But where I grew up, there just wasn't a lot of hustle.
		You didn't need a hustle.
		We were all born middle America, lower middle class or middle class, and everything was provided.
		You could get a job.
		I was forced to get a job.
		I was forced to kind of hustle.
		My parents kind of pushed me to do it.
		Thank God.
		But most people didn't.
		They never left the state.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It must be in my blood or something, because I grew up upper middle class and rich, you know, suburbs and All I wanted to do was work.
		All I wanted.
		I was like, I remember being eight years old and hustling.
		I remember being 10 years old with a paper out, getting up at four o'clock in the morning while I'm still in like middle school or even sixth grade, I think, to deliver papers to make that paper.
		And I remember my dad saying to me over and over again, Son, you're going to work your whole life.
		Why do you want to work now?
		And I was like, okay, dad, give me money.
		And he's like, no.
		I'm like, all right, well, I'm working.
		I'm working.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where do these democratic socialist types come from?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're not coming from inner cities.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're not coming from the south side, bro.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're coming from suburbs and they're being put up in colleges and they're being indoctrinated.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you maybe went to, maybe you just hung out with the people who didn't fall into those circles.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's funny, I didn't hang out with anybody.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's possible that it's like this genetic anomalies in humans, like when you have the hustle and the drive and the intelligence.
unidentified		Oh, there you go.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		There might be more to it than that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I know that your environment plays into it, but maybe it's something less tangible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I think you've got a bunch of people who are indoctrinated and believe dumb things and they want to join the tribe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and there's some people who don't because why is it that some people wake up from this and so like the idea of getting red-pilled wouldn't exist if it was inherent in people in the past.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Do you think these people you're talking about that don't have the hustle?
		Do you think that they like play soccer and try to win?
		Do you think that they're competitive against their brother and sister?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're probably the people who got the the participation trophy.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So like, they're just hanging out with their boys and there's like a keg of beer on the other side of the yard and they're like, they never are like, let's race!
		And just see who can get there the fastest.
		You don't think that there's like a, you're saying there's a missing sense of competitiveness.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That could be ingrained through parents who are telling kids to behave certain ways or to do things.
		I think there's a mix of nature and nurture, for sure.
		Some people are taller than others.
		Some people are stronger.
		Some people are weaker.
		Some people have blonde hair.
		Some people have brown hair.
		That's all fact.
		And so that will absolutely play a role in people's behavior.
		Like if your body produces more testosterone for some reason, then you might be a bit more aggressive.
		So, yes, in that regard.
		I think what we have is a lot of people who I just think about the people I know who are like this and how they grew up.
		They didn't grow up having to strive for anything.
		They don't understand what hard work is.
		They're just people who, look, we're not, these people are not by any means millionaires, but when you have food every day, no matter what, what are you fighting for?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		I wonder if it's the people that grew up thinking, I'm going to be a cog in the machine.
		And then they went, they studied in college, they got in debt, they went to become a cog in the machine, the machine broke down and now they're, they're aimless.
unidentified		Right.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if anybody in the world could have been imbued with a sense of privilege, it's me, OK?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Both of my parents have graduate degrees.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying your lived experience changes?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what happened.
		Both of my parents have graduate degrees.
		I grew up in the suburbs of Washington, D.C.
		I screwed up every which way possible.
		I had everything handed to me.
		I'm six foot four.
		I'm handsome.
		I'm smart.
		I could have anything I want and like privilege everywhere.
		And all I want to do is hustle.
		That's all I want to do.
		Work, work, work, work, work, hustle, hustle, hustle.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You gotta have Gary Vaynerchuk on your show.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You guys are a lot alike.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I don't, I, but so how, how did my circumstances breed a sense of hustle and competitiveness?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The amount of variables in your life.
		You can't say you didn't, you don't know the amount of variable variables in your life.
		You'd need to calculate to figure out where it was in your life, where you realize if I don't fight, I won't succeed.
		There are some people who never experienced that.
		And it's not until they get into their twenties where they're like, I have to work, bring on the communism.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They go to school until they're 26.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you go to college?
unidentified		Did I?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but not until I was like 19 or 20.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you had a period where you were like working and figuring things out?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I started a record label and I was a rave producer and a DJ.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so there are people who go to grade school, then go to high school, then immediately go to college and back up debt.
		And all they do is what they're told to do.
		And then when they get out, they're 22, they're 24, 26, whatever year, they finally decide to stop.
		And they realize all of a sudden there's no one left to tell them what to do.
		They got to figure it out.
		They don't know what to do.
		So they want the government to do it for them.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Crappy ass parents.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bad parents.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		And that's probably the answer to most all of the questions we're talking about tonight.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		One hundred and ten percent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of somebody with bad parents, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says referring to migrants coming to the US as a surge is a white supremacist dog whistle.
		The lady who claimed that Donald Trump was putting kids in cages and concentration camps has finally come out and made a statement.
		We were all waiting for it because, you know, when Project Veritas put out that video of the photos and the videos of what was going on in these migrant detention facilities for kids, James O'Keefe was like, where are you at AOC?
		You know, you went down and you weeped when Donald Trump had these facilities.
unidentified		Wept.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where are you now?
unidentified		Wept.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking the same thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I actually was thinking that too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You went down and you cried.
		Where are you now?
		Well, fear not, friends.
		She did an Instagram video where she said that there's no migrant crisis.
		How dare you?
		It's a imperialism crisis.
		And then she said, and gut check, anybody who says surge is trying to frame it militaristically because these children are not insurgents.
		They're not invaders.
		They're children.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Wait, she confused the word surge, which means a sudden increase,
		with the word insurgent, which is like a military conflict?
		So she's that stupid, dude?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I gotta give her some credit because that etymology is actually the same.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Is it really?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so surge comes from...
		I looked it up because she said it, a lot of people were mocking her,
		and I was like, instead of me coming out and just saying something like that...
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You do your research, Tim.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I looked up the etymology.
		Surge comes from the Latin, it's like, it's like suger, I can't pronounce it.
		And it means a sudden rush or flow.
		And insurgent comes from to surge, referencing an individual who breaks through.
		So they're the same root word, a massive outpouring.
		So insurgent was a reference to people storming the gates or something like that.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Insurgents, they're surging through.
		But that's not the point.
		It is not white supremacy when NBC said there was a surge at the border.
		That's insane.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it's not indicating that they're insurgents either.
unidentified		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're different words.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let's keep that straight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		They might have the same root.
		And I see what she was trying to do.
		She was trying to rap or something and be clever with her language.
		But this is just the level of politics we get in this country.
		I facetiously said she had bad parents.
		I don't know what her parents are like.
		I don't know who her parents are.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Shameful.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But I will say, I think her mom's pretty cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen her mom?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She raised a congresswoman.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So no, I've never seen her.
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a good thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She speaks highly of her.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		As if becoming a freshman congressman is some level of achievement in America, bro.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I bow to your wisdom, Jack Griffith.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		AOC is a political elite masquerading as someone working class.
		And that's why she loves it when conservatives are like, you're a bartender.
		She then turns around to all of the working class people and goes,
unidentified		now they're making fun of me for being just like you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't do that.
		She's not just a bartender.
		She's a political establishment elite.
		She was on the board of one of those super PACs to get these people elected.
		She knows what she's doing.
		She's great at it.
		And she is a duplicitous manipulator who will scream, concentration camp under Donald Trump.
		And then when Joe Biden ups the ante and has more children detained, she goes, there's no migrant crisis.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		When AOC was a bartender, if I walked up to the bar, 6'4", handsome, smiled at her, dropped a 20 in advance as a tip, you think she gave me better service after that than the short little guy who looked dirty and who didn't tip very well?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Damn right she would have!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She wants that 20.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		G-D-A-O-C.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She's there for money, that's why she was working.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		In it for the money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a job, it's a job.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's why you tip ahead when you go to a bar.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Always tip ahead, guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's not working class.
		She was barely working class.
		Barely.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		She's your typical... But she's not working class and she's also not educated class.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So what is she?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, she went to college.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She got a degree.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Political class.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Educated class.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, I meant smart.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		That's not mutually exclusive with working class.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She's intelligent but doesn't necessarily have a lot of common sense.
		I mean...
		It is a migrant crisis and it is a level of classical superiority.
		There is a supremacy issue going on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The military industrial complex, the banking elite establishment.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What does that have to do with people coming to the border?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me finish.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What does that have to do with people coming to the border and specifically telling ABC and NBC, Joe Biden is giving us this opportunity and we'll get a better deal if we come now?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That there is still a crisis of people trying to get to the United States illegally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because of Joe Biden.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And there is a supremacy issue on Earth.
		What does that mean?
		It's like a class issue.
		So she's right.
		It doesn't have to be that there's not one, now there's the other.
		Or there's not that one, now it's back to the first one.
		It's both, dude!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely besides the point.
		AOC said Trump was putting children in concentration camps.
		Now under Joe Biden, she is saying there is no migrant crisis.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's silly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's not common sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She is a duplicitous, manipulative...
		She's a person.
		She's a person.
		I won't go further with the insult.
		Let's keep it to the facts.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I can't deny your lived experience.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what she does.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I hate the fact that we give her fuel by talking about her.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, man, she's going to be president one day, so you better start talking about her now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Stop!
		Dude, the thing about popularity concepts in politics is there's no stopping people like that.
		She's got, unless they start banning her off social media, is the only, I guess there is stopping people like that by banning them off social media, which is kind of terrifying, but she's super popular and she's 24 or 5 or something, right?
unidentified		She's my age.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She's 31.
		She's gonna be 60 and still doing this.
		It's crazy and if she goes more insane, That's very, very dangerous for the direction of our country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		AOC is one of the most dangerous people we have.
		I'll say this, and I hope all the leftists clip this video and post it.
		She's probably the most dangerous person in politics because she's extremely divisive.
		She's extremely mean.
		She's duplicitous, manipulative, and for all the things they complained about Trump,
		she represents very much those same things.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she embodies the danger of populism. That's for sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She herself, maybe she'll change tomorrow, but her behavior is the danger of populism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Deceptive populism.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Tell me how she's a real populist.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She has, I don't know, 20, 60 million, how many Twitter followers?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		That has nothing to do with it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She's popular on Twitter.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that's how she gets popular.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Populism is not being popular, bro.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's having the crowd follow you and getting stuff done because the crowd is obsessed with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's not what it is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cult of personality, all that stuff.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You're just not using populist the right way.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe there's a technical word for it, but it comes from the word popular.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, it's a reference to supporting the people versus supporting the elites.
		There's elitism and there's populism.
		Populists say, what do the people want of me?
		And elitists say, I'm going to serve the banking institutions and the Federal Reserve.
		AOC is not a populist.
		She just masquerades as one, and then she lies and spits in people's faces, and too many people don't follow the news and just say, wow, she's great because they get all of this filter.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		She was a bartender.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She was a bartender!
		So this is what I've been doing, and I love this, the leftists have started figuring out what's going on and posting the videos.
		When I tweet my leftist opinions, or I tweet my more conservative opinions, what happens is, if I tweet tax the rich, you know what happens?
		Conservatives don't retweet that!
		Leftists retweet that.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You're hilarious on Twitter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's making me nervous.
		All of the left, they see this retweet going viral in their bubble of Tim Pool saying, tax the rich.
		And they're like, wow, Tim Pool is based.
		And then I'll say something like, universal gun ownership, defend 2A, and conservatives go crazy with that.
		And they're like, wow, Tim, he's becoming so pro-2A and libertarian.
		And so based.
		And what happens is, what people need to understand about Twitter and social media is that the left and the right bubbles do not overlap.
		So if I tweet something the right doesn't like, the left goes nuts with it.
		And they support it.
		And if I tweet something the right likes, the right goes nuts with it and supports that.
		This is the nature of social media.
		AOC understands these principles.
		She manipulates them.
		She knows that if she says, Donald Trump is putting kids in concentration camps, the left will throw it into the wind and it'll go crazy.
		She also knows that if Joe Biden is president, and she tweets, there's no migrant crisis, or she says it on Instagram, the left will take it and throw it in the air and go crazy.
		Not the same leftists, but enough of them.
		That what ends up happening is, regular Democrat types only see her supporting Joe Biden.
		And leftists, who are for open borders, only see her criticizing Donald Trump.
		They don't see the overlap.
		She exploits this for power.
		It's great.
		It's brilliant.
		She's really good at it.
		In fact, one of the best.
		But she's also extremely divisive and Says the guy who's doing exactly the same thing.
		But I'm not, I'm not, no, I'm tweeting my opinions.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I know.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's also, I believe you're being slightly performative and provocative with that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a big difference to where if I tweet something like ban all guns and then tweeted guns for everyone, I'm not doing that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm tweeting things like trans people should be armed to the teeth and so should the Black Panthers.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Did you say like ban all rich people or something the other day?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I said arrest everyone, make being rich illegal.
		Those are jokes.
		That's different.
		The point I'm making is I'm mocking what AOC does.
		That's the point.
		To prove a point about the duplicitous nature of these politicians.
		That I can tweet something absolutely absurd, arrest rich people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but people will take that seriously.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You gotta be careful if it's in text.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't care.
		That's ridiculous.
		The point is, they won't go to my profile and read my tweets, where I said, make poverty illegal, make being rich illegal, arrest everyone.
		Now here's what happens.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		They just see the one that gets retweeted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly my point.
		And then when the left caught wind of it and started saying, look what he's doing, I was like, hey, you finally investigated to figure out what the full picture was supposed to be, instead of clipping things out of context to grift on Twitter.
		Twitter is the grift factory.
		They accuse everyone else of being grifters, but they come to this show, and they take a one-minute clip, and they say, look what Tim Poole said, and they omit the other 50 minutes.
		And then all these people only get that particular clip filtered to them, and so when I posted an M16 and a trans flag, the leftists are like, what's happened to Tim Poole?
		Nothing.
		We quite literally talk about why everyone should own guns, including trans people and the Black Panthers.
		You just don't watch the show.
		So I'm sick and tired of this manipulation game where people take things out of context to feed red meat to particular bases on social media and it's literally what AOC does when she panders to the establishment left and then she panders to the progressives.
		She does not represent any one of them.
		She wants power.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Shocker.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Shocker.
		And I just laughed when you said that people don't watch the other 50 minutes of the show and or, by the way, consult the entire decade long body of work.
		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So you can't.
		That's the problem is you have to cherry pick people.
		So when I try and understand them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I tweeted, uh, tax Hollywood millionaires and billionaires at 90%, and then conservatives all started laughing and retweeting it, because it's funny, because who likes Hollywood?
		And the leftists started retweeting it and sharing it because they were like, yeah, alright, tax the rich, we'll start there.
		And everyone was like, hey, we agree at this point, okay?
		So we can start here and then start to figure out who we want to tax.
		I'll tell you what I don't get, though.
		I don't quite understand why the libertarians and the conservatives are so concerned about, you know, Jeff Bezos's billions of dollars.
		Like, I understand a wealth tax makes no sense and won't work.
		I understand that we don't want the government to have power.
		Those arguments I get.
		But from that point on, it's kind of like, okay, I got no problem if we strip the power away from the ultra-wealthy.
		And it's funny, because I tweeted this, and these leftists who just want to hate me, they're like, Tim, but what about you?
		You'll be taxed as well.
		I'm like, okay.
		Tax Bernie Sanders.
		I'll stand in line with him.
		I don't care.
		I don't like the idea that these people have disproportionate power and that a working-class dad who's got three kids, a working-class dad with three kids who's making 70k, 80k a year, has no say in his government because Tom Steyer can flood his entire state with 500 million dollars and then get guns banned and now the guy can't defend himself.
		I don't like that.
		And we need solutions to that.
		I don't know what the solution is, but I'm just like, whatever, tax the rich.
		People like Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg shouldn't be allowed to do what they did in this past election.
		That includes McKenzie, Bezos, Koch brothers, etc.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		The same argument can be made about free speech, can be made about people saying things, this is outrageous, semi-outrageous, not really outrageous.
		Ah, forget it.
		We get rid of those outrageous people at the very top.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's totally different.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, it is like using a hammer to try and solve the problem of like a few rusty nails.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like political advertisements different than stripping everyone of their wealth.
unidentified		Right, right, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wealth taxes don't work.
		I'm just saying there's a huge problem.
		Millionaires, people with hundreds of millions of dollars and billionaires.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		But do you believe in meritocracy, Tim?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So if a guy, if a Nigerian Christian guy comes to America, he makes ten, with nothing, makes ten billion trillion dollars hustling.
		Floods his state with political ads saying no guns for anybody and then that and they win.
		You're saying we should strip that guy of his money?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm saying he shouldn't be allowed to flood the zone like that.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
		He came to America with nothing.
		He made all the money that he wanted and he's putting out his message into the universe all based on his hard work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to know why the Democrats control everything right now?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yes or no, Tim.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yes or no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I told you!
		He should not be allowed to do that!
		Jeff Bezos, Mackenzie Bezos, George Soros, Tom Steyer, Michael Bloomberg dumped so much, Mark Zuckerberg, hundreds of millions of dollars to fortify the election and we're sitting here right now Yes, Fortify.
		And we're sitting here right now complaining about censorship because billionaire tech oligarchs have too much power and nothing to stop them.
		Because people like Mike Bloomberg put $500 million to make sure that our ideas and meritocracy does not win.
		There has to be a line.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		His meritocracy is just bigger than yours.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Great, so I guess we just have to live under the boot of Mike Bloomberg, Steyer, and George Soros.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We could ban political advertisement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what the solution is, but I don't like these people having the power to subvert a regular working-class dad who's like, I need my job on the Keystone Pipeline.
		It's going to be better for this country.
		I know I work there.
		And then these people come in and dump billions of dollars, which destroys all of these people's jobs, and they had no say?
		16 people can override the opinions of the entire working class of this country?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't like the idea of being able to buy advertisements, but I do like the idea of being able to make a YouTube video to my 600,000 followers and tell them, vote A instead of B, and then they all do it.
		Maybe that's still kind of bad, but it's unstoppable.
		I don't know, unless you get an SEC charge for doing stuff something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How do you actually control for this?
		I don't know.
		What I do know is, it is a serious problem.
		And I can't understand, when I have these conversations with libertarians, and I'm like, you're sitting here complaining that you got banned on YouTube, and then you're defending Mark Zuckerberg's right to do everything he's doing.
		So, like, don't come to me, man.
		I had a conversation at an event in Milwaukee where this guy was like, private company, we shouldn't interfere, and I was like, okay, come talk to me when your ideology has been purged from the internet and you're no longer allowed to speak, and then I'm the one with the channel and you're begging me for an interview.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I have such a hard time with this because I understand exactly what you're saying and I do believe that the voice of the American middle class and working class and the huge swaths of population in America should have a voice.
		But I know that Bill Gates was not born ultra rich.
		That Emmer Effer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But what does that have to do with it?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Because he innovated.
		He created a product that everyone in the world wants and he got money and now he's deciding what to do with it.
		That's like the most American thing that there is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Buying a yacht is deciding what to do with your money.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Why would somebody's decisions on how to spend their money?
		Why do you have any say in that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you're an elitist, not a populist.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		That guy came from middle-class America.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's an elite, right?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He is an elite.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		He earned it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Steyer, Bloomberg, the Koch brothers, the Mercers, George Soros, they're all elites.
		Mackenzie Bezos is an elite.
		And they have infinitely more say than you ever will.
		In fact, there have been numerous studies, we've talked about them, that show Public opinion does not sway policy.
		Wealthy donors do.
		That is a problem and it's leading to the critical race theory explosion when major corporations who don't care about you flood the zone and the billionaires flood the zone and suppress your ability to communicate or even vote.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		My point in bringing this up is that this is a very tricky subject.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's a very tricky subject because you know what, one day, Tim, beginning of the show, I'm going to become a billion dollar media company.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Holler.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do with that money then?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You're gonna spread it around?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Influence?
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are your ideas infecting other people right now?
		They are.
		money into political races and commercials to ensure that my ideas are going to infect
		other people's ways of living.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Are your ideas infecting other people right now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right, they are.
		They are.
		Which is why I've stated already it is a very difficult problem.
		As we've talked about before, I have a YouTube channel.
		That meritocracy allows me the ability to speak to a lot of people who might agree with
		me or disagree with me.
		And what happens is ultra-rich people dump money into people like me so that they can
		support things I say or ask me to say things on their behalf.
		We need to figure out this problem, and I don't think it's an easy solution.
		I don't know what the solution is, but I can tell you this.
		It is a very obvious problem that one guy in New York can go to Texas and dump so much money in it that the people of Texas are forced to live under the ideology of fringe cultist wackos.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what happens then?
		The people who are forced to live under the boot of a fringe minority cult become angry and violence erupts.
		If we don't solve for this problem, it will be bad for everybody.
		We have duplicitous individuals on the progressive left who support the democratic establishment and pretend to want to oppose this stuff.
		They don't really do it.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I realize I'm teetering very close to build your own internet kind of argument at this point, which I don't believe it.
		Right?
		Like there are some things like the public square, which has been dominated and taken over by tech companies, and therefore it needs to have some regulation to it.
		But there's a visceral reaction in me when I think that in our example, that a guy can come from Nigeria with nothing, make $10 trillion, and then you want to tell him what to do with that money.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, not what to do, but what not to do.
		You're just setting limits with what he can do.
		It's kind of like the big... Well, it's different than telling someone what to do.
		It's different than commanding them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, dude.
		Saying, I don't want you to...
		Maybe it's this simple.
		You can't donate money outside of your jurisdictions.
		You can donate in the federal elections.
		You can donate in your county, your state, your city.
		But if you live in New York, you can't donate to California.
		You live in Los Angeles, you can't donate to AOC.
		Maybe that's one solution we can do.
		I don't care if you've got a hundred billion dollars and you want to buy a... I don't care if you're Elon Musk.
		In fact, I think Elon Musk is great.
		I'm stoked he's building Starbase City and building Starship and wanting to go to Mars.
		That is why it's awesome that meritocracy works.
		I'm not saying we should stop Elon Musk from doing that.
		I'm saying...
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So as long as they're doing what you want them to do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		As long as they're not subverting the will of the people and taking away people's rights.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're pretty good.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		There's a pretty fine line between subverting the will of the people and influencing the will of the people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know it's a difficult problem, but I think Tom Steyer going into a district where you've got, you know, 60% Republicans who believe in guns, and then he floods the media with a bunch of fallacious arguments about gun rights and lies.
		We shouldn't have an AR-15, it's a weapon of war, which it's literally not.
		And then people say, well, I want to ban a weapon of war.
		Or AOC who calls Trump's, actually Obama's migrant detention centers, concentration camps, blames Trump for it, and then claims under Biden, there's no migrant crisis.
		These people are manipulating the ignorant.
		They're manipulating the people who don't have the time or resources to follow the news to gain power from them.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Are there ultra rich people that have done good with their money and their choices?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess Elon Musk building spaceships.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So what we're not we're not saying this is a issue of people being ultra rich.
		We're saying it's an issue of dickheads being ultra rich.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's an issue of the people who have tons of money specifically shutting down the entire district and the will of the majority, because they have money and they can.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about politics, specifically integrated politics?
		Specifically politics.
		Yeah.
		You could have a billionaire from California give a YouTuber in Connecticut a million dollars a video to talk about gun rights to get people in Florida to vote for it.
		So that's a problem.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		We believe in open and free commerce among the states.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's part of America.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why it's a challenge.
		And I said, I don't think there's an easy answer.
		And that's why I don't think on the whole of things, just blindly taxing the rich means
		anything.
		Yeah.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I think.
		But it's interesting that we've narrowed it down now.
		It's not about being ultra rich.
		It's not about being ultra rich and doing what you want with your money.
		It's being ultra rich and doing no offense.
		And doing what Tim thinks is not the right thing with the money.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Setting limitations with your money.
		You can't do whatever you want with money.
		I can't hire armed bodyguards to go murder you.
		There's laws against that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't care if they're conservatives who are pro-gun or they're liberals who are anti-gun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think people in California with a billion dollars should spend $25 million in a small Virginian county to impose their will on the people who live there.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So you think that it's like a billionaire from Texas who sees that the Second Amendment rights in Virginia are teetering?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		If he sent money to Virginia to run a pro-two-way campaign, you would be opposed to that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wrong.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The people who live in Virginia are the ones who decide how they want to live.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		And when... So if a Virgin... I'm sorry.
		If a Virginia resident was like, hey, I need some help running this political campaign.
		Please people send me money.
		I want to promote 2A in my state.
		You would oppose that person from soliciting donations from people?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Out of stack.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		AOC only exists as a- That's big time, bro.
		That's big time.
		And I've always maintained that position.
		I've said repeatedly, Ocasio-Cortez only wins because she gets money from Hollywood, from these major blue districts, where because she's active online, I bet the people who live in New York don't even agree with her for the most part, but she's able to rally a ton of people because here's what happens.
		You've got one person in every city who's a wacko cultist, and they have no power on their own where they live.
		One of their wacko cultists goes online and says, hey, wacko cultist, give me money.
		And then all of these different states and cities of wacko cultists flood money to this person.
		And now wacko cultists can run campaigns where they're like, I'm the good person.
		Vote for me.
		And then they win.
		Congratulations.
		That's how you get a wacko cultist who no one actually supported and had no merit or influence.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You're saying that the people of that jurisdiction have no agency.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you are.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You're saying that they are all simply persuaded by money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how many votes AOC got?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She barely cracked 20%, I think, of her district.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		But it was enough to win.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was enough to influence people who don't know who she is and what she represents because they run BS propaganda to win that's empowered by other extremists in other parts of the country.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it sounds to me it's just like, you know, do it better.
		Is the answer.
		Advocate for your political position better.
		Raise money better.
		Create more alliances in a better way.
		Become more powerful.
		That's what you're saying, basically.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The country that we have right now is basically... Come on, Tim.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Shouldn't we say people should just, in order to fight power, shouldn't we say to them, become more powerful, not chop off the legs of the powerful?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The race is determined by specifically 10 people.
		You are not going to crack that.
		And when you have 328.2 million people or whatever, and they are living under the rules of fringe extremist lunatics, you call them, you, you, hey, Bill Gates, he's got, he worked really hard and he made all this money.
		The dude also believes some dumb things and he does dumb things too, like any other person.
		We don't want oligarchs.
		I don't want to live under oligarchy.
		I think regular people should vote, and there should be the electoral college?
		It's brilliant.
		Jurisdictional elections?
		Local elections?
		Brilliant.
		But what happens when a handful of billionaires flood the zone with fake news, with lies and manipulation?
		What happens when NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN claim Donald Trump is a Russian agent and then he loses re-election?
		And what happens then when gas skyrockets?
		Or when the economy falters?
		Or we get a crisis at the border?
		You see, the problem is a bunch of billionaires stood up and said, we hate Trump because he's bad for us.
		And now we're dealing with a wave of problems two months in to Joe Biden's presidency.
		That's the problem, because if it was an honest press, and if we didn't have these people manipulating for their own personal whims, they're individuals.
		A centralized network is not nearly as powerful as a decentralized network, because it's a fault point.
		If you have 100,000 computers and one fails, you still got all those other computers operating.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		That's 999,000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And now, because we have a small handful of billionaires who are manipulating the market and media, One person with stupid ideas can get sodas and guns banned for everybody else.
		And people don't want to live that way.
unidentified		I hear you.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		And I appreciate the vigorous debate on this.
		There's clearly no clear answer on this.
		It's tough because at once we're saying we believe in meritocracy.
		Come to America.
		Do a great job.
		Get yours.
		Do your hustle.
		But what we're also saying is, hustle too good, create too good of a network, make too many friends, and chop your knees off.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		In the beginning, the Founding Fathers really wanted to keep money out of it, and you couldn't spend your own money on politics.
		You couldn't spend your own money on politics?
		Yeah, you were very limited on what you could spend of your own fortune on it.
		And one guy was like, I want to take a train around the country.
		Campaign.
		But I want to use my own money.
		Why can't I use my own money to pay for these train rides?
		And they're like, yeah, you're right.
		So they re-legislate.
		I brought this story up a few times, and I really should figure out the exacts on it.
		But as far as I can tell, that's what happened.
		And then they changed the law partway in, after the United States had already been around for a while, so that you could start spending your own fortune.
		And of course, things like Citizens United and things and unlimited, almost unlimited amounts of money can now be spent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was watching The Outer Limits.
		No, no, no, I'm sorry, I wasn't watching.
		I was watching Beyond Belief, Fact or Fiction.
		That show's amazing.
		You ever watch that with Jonathan Frakes in the 90s?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I have not.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You sure it wasn't the 80s?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I just watched TV from the late 90s, apparently.
unidentified		This is Commander Riker, by the way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm watching this because Amazon recommended it because they apparently think I like late 90s shows, which I do.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Get out of here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there's an episode where it's about a deaf rock star, like an old rock musician who's losing his hearing.
		And he works in a shop.
		And I'm just watching this guy in this small brick-and-mortar guitar shop, and I'm thinking, it would be extremely difficult for this guy to become a billionaire running a small-town music shop.
		Maybe after 10 years of a brick-and-mortar music shop, he might have saved up enough for a second location in another city.
		But there are some industries that just make it much more easy to move quickly, especially in digital information.
		You can grow fast, you can market fast, and you can succeed.
		I do think, you know, the right, you know, a kind of mentality and the right work ethic, and you can make a national chain of, you know, guitar shops or something like that.
		But I'm looking at this guy, he wakes up every day, he works really hard, and he makes a few hundred bucks.
		His opinion is meaningless.
		His vote is nearly meaningless because one guy who... You know how Bill Gates made his money?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		He got the government to adopt MS-DOS.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Well, first he kind of swiped DOS.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he bought it off a guy.
		He bought it off a guy and he paid him for it.
		Then he went to IBM and said, I want a royalty on all these things.
		And because of that, and because the widespread adoption of new technology and with an operating system, he got cash.
		And then he got, you know, he developed the Windows operating system, which was great.
		And he got a bunch of money for it.
		And now the opinion of all these people who run brick and mortar computer shops doesn't matter anymore because he can just dump money in it so that their opinions don't matter in their political elections.
		He can make sure that when all of these politicians spend most of the time fundraising, desperate to
		get the ability to influence their votes and get their ideas out, you get lies, deception,
		duplicitous behavior, and billionaires backing it. And so what happens is you end up with rich
		people who are like, I'd rather get that one big, you know, contribution from Bill Gates
		than to speak to my constituents and ask them what they need.
		The internet has changed things.
		Populism came about because the internet allowed people to actually talk with their constituents on a grand scale and influence them without the need for these big special interest donors.
		They don't like it.
		They want it back.
		They're banning people because of it.
		And I'll be damned if I have to live in a country where some billionaire can impose cult-like, racist, critical race theory over my schools and institutions, and my opinion won't matter.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know what the solution is.
		Well, the term billionaire in the future is going to be like, you have a billion people following you.
		That's going to be the future of the billionaire.
		Because with the way inflation is going especially, it's just a thought I had.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Back to the Fed.
		You know, an hour ago, I was like, you sound like John Galt.
		Now, I'm like, yo, I'm going Galt on this conversation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We get into it long enough.
unidentified		And then sooner or later, we're going to be talking about the millionaires.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		And the Fed and dictators and Rome and all mixed up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're speaking my love language.
		Thank you, Jack.
		I love you.
		Jack Murphy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The problem with the influence and manipulation in politics I don't think is going to be a
		particularly easy thing to solve in any capacity.
		Because just taxing the rich doesn't solve the problem.
		Giving the government money doesn't solve the problem.
		And we might need a sweeping overhaul to how we handle our elections in general in a lot
		of ways, particularly voter ID and security and things like that.
		The problem is, if you own an oil refinery, it would be saying you're not allowed to influence people, but if you own CNN, you are.
		And therein lies the big problem.
		You'd incentivize people to just buy media companies.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was just gonna say.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		What if you come here, you make a billion dollars, you start a media company, and all of your programming is anti-2A?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's basically what it is.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Do you support that or not?
		All day long they're broadcasting anti-2A fiction shows, sitcoms.
		I don't support that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think they're allowed to do it.
		And therein lies the real problem with the Citizens United ruling and the billionaires spending money on super PACs and things like that is that it's their free speech right to do it.
		I don't know what the solution is.
		I don't.
		And maybe that's just the problem.
		I can point out a problem and I can't solve it and you know what?
		Maybe we need to sit down and have a long conversation with a lot of people and try and map out how we make sure that some 40-year-old dad with two kids who had his job on the Keystone Pipeline and lost it because of the manipulation of the media has his rights and his voice heard.
		Because you know what happens if you don't?
		You see that video where the guy is ranting to the city hall about the lockdowns and he's like, you just wait and see what happens when we get sick and tired of this stuff.
		People eventually just say no.
		If their voice is not being respected and not being heard, eventually they just say no.
		And you know what?
		The rich people know this.
		That's why, you know, they did this movement where like, we're gonna give away all our wealth!
		And they set up non-profits that they control and put their money in that and then claim they gave their money away.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You have to aggressively participate in politics.
		It doesn't just come to you.
		It's not just a bonus that you get in your side pocket whenever.
		You have to go for it.
		Like back in Athens, you had to go to Athens and sit there for days and be part of it.
		You had to leave your job.
		It cost you money, but the value outweighed, and for a lot of people, the loss.
		And it's the same today.
		You need to spend hours online communicating if you want to influence and you don't have the money.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So the stakes are different now.
		Yeah, I think it used to be perfectly rational to be ignorant about politics, because the fact that the chance that you could the calculus is like, can you affect the outcome versus like the effect the outcome has on you?
		Right.
		And the calculus was such that it was rational to be ignorant.
		I kind of I'm getting the sense now that that it is it is irrational to remain ignorant because the consequences outweigh or have just grown so much that the balance is now Out of whack.
		And yes, we all need to take a much more active participation in politics, but I have such sympathy for like regular people, dads and moms working 50 hours with a 45 minute commute on either end coming home.
		Trying to hustle up something onto the dinner table.
		I know I have three kids.
		I know what it's like.
		Hustle up something on the dinner table.
		Take, you know, oh, kids, you got some homework to do.
		Oh my God, it's freaking 930 bedtime and everybody's got to get up and out the door to school again the next day.
		Dude, those days in the weeks and the years they go by, they just melt.
		You only have two weeks of vacation.
		You get off Christmas Eve and Christmas day.
		I mean, how can anyone be expected to participate in politics with the level of knowledge that it takes in order to be a rational player?
		Much less have influence!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what happens is, at a certain point, you have enough money where you never have to work again.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Most people never reach that point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So maybe the fringe, extreme minority who do should have some restriction.
		Maybe it's you can only donate in the elections in which you are a constituent.
		Maybe that's phase one.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it always did bother me terribly so to to hear about a local elections, not even state local elections, where they they fuel phone banks with people from out of state.
		And they are they're the ones calling people in this little local jurisdiction to try to get things done that that does seem.
		Disproportionate.
		I'm not going to say it's wrong, because we have our rights to free speech and private property in America.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, the squad members, overwhelmingly received their donations from outside their districts?
		At least they did in 2018.
		I think maybe it was Rashida Tlaib who was like the outlier, actually.
		But I believe AOC received relatively few donations from her own district.
		And then with that, she's able to win in that district because she can run ads and commercials.
		And of course these people aren't honest.
		None of them are.
		Republican or Democrat, they do the same thing.
		So if we're not having legitimate elections where regular people are talking to each other in City Hall or on social media, and instead commercials are being flooded on their TVs from progressive billionaires, then are they really being represented as, you know, No.
		It's just not reality.
		You know, we talked about something interesting where we had Cassandra on the show and she said, these people in these schools in, like, Virginia will hear a school board member say, hey, I want to get more buses for your kids.
		So they vote for it.
		And then as soon as those people get in, they reveal that they're, you know, Black Lives Matter critical race theorists or whatever, and their full agenda is to teach the 1619 Project.
		And I'm like, you know, I think you mentioned elections based on an individual's presentation of a smart contract.
		Here are the things that I propose.
		Will you vote for me to implement these things?
		And nothing outside of them.
		Have a full policy position, proposal.
		So I was like, maybe if someone deviates from what they've proposed, you just get rid of them.
		The problem is, it's how politics work.
		When we saw all those moderates win in 2018 to give the Democrats the House, they were like, vote for me and I won't play culture war politics.
		I will get you kitchen table issues, healthcare, the economy.
		I will fight for you.
		And everyone said, please, finally.
		And so they did.
		And instead of doing that, they said, I don't know, whatever Pelosi says, she wants to impeach Trump.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I actually thought, literally vote for smart contracts instead of politicians.
		Like, just do away with the politicians.
		Let's represent ourselves with smart contracts that we yay or nay on.
		They'll implement immediately if they get the votes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There could be politicians.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But they get corrupted.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Especially by money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The point I'm saying is, they'll present to you, like, here's a list of all the things I want to do, and here's a list of the things I oppose.
		In office, I will fight specifically for these things.
		And so that gives them a lot of leeway.
		They can be like, well, look, I'm opposing this by doing this thing.
		But it would have some restrictions.
		If they say they oppose something, they have to oppose it.
unidentified		But then what if something novel comes up?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that could be step two, but I like this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That way when people are like, I'm going to fight for health care and reform, when they get in, if they say, okay, I'm not doing that anymore, you can be like, uh-uh.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that's tricky with like earmarks and bills that get things attached, because if they support 99% of something and then something goes in that violates their smart contract, they can't vote on it.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		But a smart contract that totally restricts a politician's behavior is analogous to direct democracy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not totally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not totally.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm saying they would have a lot of a lot of leeway to justify their positions so long as they're fighting in a specific way.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		And this argument actually just raised a very interesting example in my mind that if a politician bound by a smart contract based on a vote is analogous to direct democracy, Then not having this smart contract is basically saying that we need to give our politicians leeway to do what we don't want them to do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm not following.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		What we're saying is we're revealing the fact that our system enables politicians to behave in a way opposite to the way we intended them to.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That is 100% true.
		They're not actively representatives.
		They're not representing properly.
		So we need a system that does.
		Now, we don't need people to be there.
		We can have points of access where we can all vote for this point of access to serve a function, and that can be a smart contract.
		So you don't need the representatives.
		We still have lawmakers that write laws and stuff.
		The citizens could do that as well.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I thought you said you weren't a populist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't there an event where one of the Koch brothers and George Soros did this thing together on hate speech?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't tell you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was like some event where it was like, wow, look at that, they're coming together.
		Because when Donald Trump won as a populist fighting for the working class, the billionaires and the millionaires, not all of them, but many of them were like, we're Democrats now.
		And Vox.com reported the Democratic Party has become the party of the wealthy elites.
		So, I look at who's dumping all this money in, and very little of it comes from right-wing billionaires.
		And it's just the craziest thing to me, that the people who... Like, for one, it's funny that the left, the liberals who are supposed to be in favor of regulating corporations, are saying, but my private business, but that makes sense, they're winning politically.
		But then you have people on the right, you know, people at Reason, for instance, the libertarian magazine, who are like, private companies should be able to do what they want.
		Anyway, all right.
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ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I just want to say, this has been very fun, you guys.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's been good.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's the fams back together.
unidentified		Love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, we got Enlightened Worm.
		He says, I'm a listener from early 2020 and a resident of San Diego.
		Children that illegally crossed into the U.S.
		are being given in-person classes while San Diegan children are still atrophying in Zoom classes.
		And this is enabled by the millionaires and the billionaires in this country.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No, it's enabled by the constitutional ruling that says that the students have to be served if they show up at the front door of the school period.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the students who are going on Zoom are just choosing not to go to school?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they open up a policy in every jurisdiction.
		I've looked at it.
		There's a lottery.
		There's application.
		And usually, actually, they have trouble filling the seats in some jurisdictions.
		But illegal immigrants get served at the door of the schoolhouse as soon as they show up, because they can't ask.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		Matthew Hammond says, would TimCast IRL receive a strike if Trump was a guest, or would the video just be taken down like Alex Jones?
		By the way, Jack Murphy is awesome.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, hey, Matt Hammond.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just if we had Trump on the show, YouTube would not give us a strike.
		However, knowing what Donald Trump would say, we would be outright banned most likely.
		No, we'd get a strike.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was feeling that too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If we interviewed Trump, I know for a fact he would start saying a bunch of things that would get us in trouble.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He'd use this show.
		He would.
		He'd trash this show to get ahead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's an opportunist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, absolutely not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump would say what he's always said and express his opinion as he's always stated them and that would get us banned.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't care about the networks he's on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am literally not saying that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I am.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, to make my point, Donald Trump would be asked a question, he would calmly and reasonably answer it, and that opinion is banned on YouTube.
unidentified		The opinion is wrong.
unidentified		Interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brian Malone says, Tim, do you believe that there is going to be a mass exodus from Minneapolis in the coming weeks?
		What do you think is going to be the city's response?
		I don't know if there will be a mass exodus, but if you're in Minneapolis Wow.
		You're brave.
		You're real brave.
		There's not going to be an outcome to this that results in not riots.
		I just can't see it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		By the way, is there a Murder 3 charge in Minneapolis?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you mention that before?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They brought that back against Chauvin.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So they're using Murder 3 as well as a charge?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which I still don't see likely.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If he's present and not responsible for the death, but his actions contributed to it, what's that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If he was considered to be reasonably negligent in some kind of force against another person that resulted in their death.
		Like, second degree murder is you intended to hurt them and then they died.
		First degree is, like, you wanted to kill him.
		And third degree is, you were, you know, he was in your custody, you were taking action against him using force, he died, there was no intent to cause harm or whatever, but you did kill him.
		Actually, that might be manslaughter.
		But, uh, I think they added that because they're hoping they can get something.
		But listen, anything short of Murder 1 and they're gonna burn the city down.
		And he wasn't charged with Murder 1.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So I was thinking on my way up here, maybe I should go to Minneapolis, get some footage just to witness.
		And then I started thinking also, I got a text from one of my sources, MPD, DC MPD today.
		And he's like, we're gearing up for another hot summer.
		It's just, you know, the weather, the weather is changing, man.
		Yeah.
		And crime in DC has been so high through the winter.
		Now that the summer's coming, it's going to just go even through the roof.
		We're back to 19, early 1990s murder rates in DC.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you thought 2020 was bad.
unidentified		Right?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I mean... Here comes the never-ending year.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It begins.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Again.
		So I've been covering unrest for a decade, and what happens is people don't go outside when it rains.
		And they certainly don't go outside when it's cold.
		So once it gets warm, this stuff lights up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All night.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Crazier and crazier.
		Yeah, all night.
		There's more daylight.
		People are more active.
		They're more energized.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Burning man all year, baby!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All summer.
unidentified		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did BMO say that?
		Sarah says, follow up from yesterday, if any political party wants 16 year olds to vote,
		then also give them the right to own their firearms to prove they're responsible.
		BMO, BMO from Adventure Time.
		Season 7, episode 17, Angel Face owns a rifle.
		His response, I'm old enough to vote.
		Really?
		Did BMO say that?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of funny.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We had a long conversation about that before the show, I think, talking about younger people
		and how people are growing up faster with access to the Internet.
		I don't think we even touched on that on air.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but at the same time, adolescence is extended.
		Immaturity is longer.
		I feel like the nation is getting less mature by the day.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		More intelligent, less mature.
		Who says it's getting more intelligent?
		Access to information doesn't make you smart.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, Chris Rohrer says, I'll fight you.
		If you want to beat Big Tech, then buy their stock with voting rights.
		Then you can vote out their BODs and replace them with a board that will put an end to their antics.
		The GameStop revolution proves that with enough people, you can beat Big Tech.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a libertarian entered the chat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		Cannonballer says, new member here, a little off topic, but I think you have Bitcoin.
		Do you invest in other crypto?
		Thanks for all you and your team does.
		The only crypto I'm interested in is Ethereum and Bitcoin.
		I have a bunch of other cryptos randomly that I don't remember how or why, but they're there.
		But Ethereum is amazing revolutionary tech.
		Bitcoin is the first in best dressed store of digital value.
		And there's a whole bunch of ERC20 tokens and ish coins that are like, I don't know, I'm pretty liberal with my purchases.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can read their white papers.
		If you want to go to any specific crypto, look for their white paper and read it.
		You can get the ethos of the creation of the token.
		That gives you a lot of ideas about which ones to follow for the long term.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		What's your allocation, Bitcoin, Ethereum?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's like 85% Ethereum, 14% Bitcoin, 1% else.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ethereum doubled.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		I'm 50-50.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		14% Bitcoin, 1% else.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Ethereum doubled.
		I'm 50-50.
		Maybe I'm up in the Ethereum.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ethereum is the smart, crazy new tech.
		Like they saw Bitcoin and they're like, dude, and then they improved upon it greatly.
		So a lot of these websites that offer up tokens, it's built off of Ethereum technology.
		Brilliant.
		Steven Decker says, have Steven Crowder on the Timcast and Dave Landau too.
		Okay, great.
		Steven, come on the show.
		We'd love to have you.
		Dave, come with him.
		Christopher Knoll says, Jack is pre-LSD and post-steroids vermin supreme.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		These things I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with vermin's work?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He runs for president occasionally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He has a boot on his head.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And his position is a pony based economy.
unidentified		Everyone has to brush their teeth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everyone has to brush your teeth.
		And he would solve the energy crisis by powering the country with zombies on treadmills.
		Because zombies just keep going.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Also, why are the Greens the only third party alternative for us Lib Lefts?
		peace and prosperity yen and and it's just
		they're all woke like is there like a libertarian left like not woke party
		that's just basically what i want like chill outside on the porch with like
		chickens running around but just like share the tomatoes from the garden that sell them
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		it's just not We need more aggressive politicians.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just, I don't think, I think, I don't think libertarian left scales up to a form of government.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just don't see it.
		There's just no way you do it.
		It's like libertarian, a libertarian, if the entire country of the US was libertarian left, some guy would like walk in and just like, uh, violate the rights of an individual or start building things around a certain area.
		And you'd be like, Hey man, can you please not do that?
		And he'd be like, I'm going to do it anyway.
		And you'd be like, Well, he doesn't agree with us, what do we do?
		And then the lib right guy walks in and goes, I've got a big ol' pile of gold!
		Please stop!
		And the guy goes, deal!
		And then leaves.
		And he sells the land to him.
		Because it's very difficult for lib lefts.
		You have to get cooperation.
		And if you go to somebody who's building something you don't like, because it's like, maybe gonna block the sun, or harm, you know, your crops or something.
		What are you gonna do to convince him to agree with you?
		If it doesn't benefit him, he's gonna say, no, I don't need what you have, and I don't agree, and I'm not part of your community, and you can't use force against me.
		The lib right people have money.
		The lib left people just try and get you to agree.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So are you in favor of property zoning?
		Land use restrictions?
		Would you be upset if somebody bought the property in front of you and built a 3,000 foot skyscraper here or a nuclear power plant?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, probably not.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't be upset by that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's horrible.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When people start construction next door to you, it's the worst.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but what if someone installed a chemical plant right in your front yard?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		In the lots right up here?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It just depends on which chemicals it is, and there would have to be, I believe, environmental regulations.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You don't think that they should be like, here's where we put the houses, and over here's where we put the industry?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that makes sense.
		I'm just saying, I don't think I would be bent out of shape.
		I mean, we've got a lot of property here, so it would be kind of far away.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I know, but I just think it could still impact the water.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It could still impact a lot of things.
		So I do think zoning makes sense.
		Like, that's why I think at the end of it, I become mostly just a regular old liberal, because I'm like, you need to have these arrangements and some people don't agree, but you have to enforce them.
		So there has to be some authority, although I'm mostly still in the, you know, liberal, libertarian left quadrant.
		Alright, let's see what we got.
		We got too many superchats.
		Jmax says there are no bad tactics only bad targets look for those that have no principles and never take your eyes
unidentified		off of them Let's see
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Grant Saigon says my brother Brent site Brent Saigon you and your cronies have been bullying me to become a member
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It finally worked.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Grant, we found you!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It finally worked.
		I know you do this show for my respect, but can now do it for my money too.
		Healing begins by bullying one another over minutia.
		Never hang up the meeting.
unidentified		Correct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love that this has come full circle and we got to go through all, so if those aren't familiar, Brent was posting in super super chats like, Tell my brother Grant, he must sign up.
		And so we were yelling at him and then he super chatted.
		So it's all fun.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Boom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Grant and Brett.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brent.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Luke T says, thanks for, for everything you do, you guys do at Timcast.
		I love Colonel West, Daniel Turner.
		Always love Jack as a guest.
		Keep up the great work.
		Y'all are making a difference.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're just having conversations and I think, you know, for a lot of people, it's a, it's a good conversation and we're trying to work out these ideas.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, appreciate it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Charlie says, Charles Thompson, letter to Ben Franklin, 1774.
		We are on a precipice.
		And then two years later, they were like, let's sign it, baby.
		All right, we got another from Jamek.
		He says, I was told by an executive at a large banking brand that they have the moral right to cease business with anyone for any stated reason or non-stated reason.
		We have ceded too much of our lives to the machine, to corporations, and to the government.
		We've bartered self-governance for convenience.
		Yep.
		Tim Freeburn says, I'd love to see Jack Murphy defend the argument, libertarianism is dead in the internet age with Dave Smith.
		How about we have Dave Smith come on and we can have a debate?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it!
unidentified		Debate!
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Just let Twitter do its thing, y'all.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've had Dave Smith on before.
		It's like a Batman thing, isn't it?
		says there are two types of people in this world those who run away from a
		fire and those who run towards the fire to put it out people need to be honest
		with themselves about what kind of person they are because no one wants a
		flaky hero be the person people need not want it's like a Batman thing isn't it
		Mark Dixon thank you for the super chat now we got a bunch of massive super
		What is it, payday?
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Joe Hawk says, Tim, you misunderstand laissez-faire capitalism.
		The mainstream media is corrupt.
		Is the answer having government regulate news media?
		Or is the answer creating cool and interesting content with integrity that creates culture?
		Your solution is laissez-faire capitalism.
		It's just not absolute.
		You know, laissez-faire is basically, what is that?
		Like no holds barred capitalism, essentially?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Hands off.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't agree with that.
		I think there do have to be some regulations, but perhaps not on media.
		Perhaps people need to be able to build and develop culture.
		But when I say, you know, when I'm talking about laissez-faire capitalism, I'm meaning like, maybe people shouldn't dump, you know, sewage into our drinking water.
		You know what I mean?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Tim, you're not even in favor of personal property rights, so you're not much in favor of laissez-faire.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In what way am I not in favor of property?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Rich guys can't spend their money how they want.
		You said that 50 times.
		I didn't say that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Will you, like, build a skyscraper next door?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		No!
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		To help people run political campaigns or buy TV?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So that's one thing.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's an ab- Can people buy drugs?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's an abrogation of- Do you think people should be able to buy, like, Abrams tanks for themselves and drive around in them?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Um, I mean, I'm pretty- shall not infringe.
		So let's see, do you think that... I didn't say that I was, I just was talking about your context.
		Earlier we were talking about abridging personal property rights by limiting the way billionaires can spend their money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You said I don't support personal property rights simply because I said I don't think billionaires should influence elections that would strip the voice of the working class.
		It's very different from saying eat the rich and seize all of their wealth and then buy boats with it or something.
		No, I think Bill Gates should be able to have his mega yacht and fly around the world in his helicopters.
		And I think he shouldn't be dumping money into elections to ban my guns from me because I need them.
		And all the leftists are like, you don't need guns.
		What if 30 to 50 feral hogs storm on my property?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		All I'm arguing here is this person's assertion was that you're a laissez-faire economics type.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		And I'm saying, no, we've clearly established that we can decide what people can do with their money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think, uh, I've always maintained that I was like fairly center left.
		And it's funny because what happens is the grifters on, on Twitter, they're not going to make any money if they post a video of me fervently defending getting the billionaires out of the political system.
		They're not going to show that one.
		They won't, they won't.
		They're going to show the one like, you know, about me saying like, people should have the right to bear arms.
		And then these leftists on Twitter who don't watch the show are going to be like, Tim Pool's a right-wing nut job.
		And I'm literally like, tax the rich!
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean... Seize the endowments!
		You're basically a commie.
		That's my takeaway from today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I joke that all the time.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, I know.
		I know.
		There's so much more work to be done here, Ian.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Communication.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The issue is realism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is the idea?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a good political party.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The realist party.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It literally took a billionaire to run to get a populist in office.
		He had to be a billionaire to do it.
		And he had all this money, and he borrowed some money, and he knew how to play the media.
		How would a regular person who wants to fight for the people beat all of these far-left... Like, come on, dude.
		Mark Cuban defending China?
		That's the guy who is stripping away your voice when he floods your market with political ads to support banning gun rights and sending your jobs to China.
		So there's a problem there.
		We can talk about solutions, but you know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, Mark Dixon says, Hello Tim, I am the former president of Whole Foods Market.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just discovered you and Jack is da man.
		Keep up the great work, my brothers.
		Cool.
		Sounds fun working for Whole Foods, huh?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		The president of Whole Foods Market.
unidentified		Former president.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Former president of Whole Foods Market.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Cool gig.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Marcus Carter says we're getting rid of career politicians at ShortingDC.org.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Oh, interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		Someone retracted a big super chat.
		Appreciate that.
		Mark Andrews says, first they came for the socialists, then they came for the trade unionists, then they came for the Jews, then they came for me.
		Famous poem.
		Cory Johan says, Tim and especially Ian, I recommend checking out the book Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's a good one.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you haven't read that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude, you got read it tomorrow morning.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's about 280 pages, I think.
unidentified		Is it literally about people?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, that was my dad joke just coming out.
		It's about memes.
		It's about virtual reality.
		It's about this contagious spread of ideas mimetic contagion.
		It's about cloistered homes and suburban enclaves with their own military and own police forces.
		It's very interesting.
		It's very prescient.
		I believe it's from the late 80s or early 90s.
		I don't know.
		I get them both confused here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, Rick Ortiz says, please get Crowder, Landau, and Hodge sisters on.
		That way you can kick out Ian.
		Rip Luke.
		Loves fighting worse.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if you have three guests on, I do step out, so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if Crowder, Landau, and the Hodge twins were gonna come on the show, I'd happily take the light off.
		We don't got a lot of cameras.
		I don't even think we have enough cameras for all of them as it is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'll leave a super chat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, dude, if all of those, you know, individuals were like, Tim, we're coming on your show, I'd be like, clear the schedule.
unidentified		Yeah, let's do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have to figure something out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let's see...
unidentified		Sage Stiltner?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		BLM belt loops matter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what does that mean?
unidentified		I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was a subliminal message.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe you ever read Snoke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love this, I love this.
		Maybe I've heard of it.
		Well, 7omcrew, I guess Tom Cruise says, Tim is John Galt, Luke is Ragnar Dennistyold, Malice is Francisco Danconia, Jack is Hank Reardon, Peterson is Hugh Axton, I'm pretty sure after all of that ranting, I just said, I am not John Galt.
		I don't think so.
unidentified		No, definitely not.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Hank Reardon, Reardon Steel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Matt L says, Tim believes in blank slate theory.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I just think that there's kind of a mix of nature and nurture.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I think, you know, anybody who's trying to argue one or the other is missing big pieces of the picture.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's backed up by genetics, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Lateral and horizontal gene translation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shane Gruley says, Hey Tim, I'm thinking of running for Congress in Michigan as a libertarian.
		Any tips on how to get my name out there?
		And if I get the nomination, what do I have to do to get on the show?
		Um, I don't know and I don't know.
		I just don't know.
		Uh, I'm not a fan of, you know, I have donated to people whose districts I don't live in.
		And I've addressed it on the show specifically as, it sucks.
		I don't like the idea.
		But what do we do?
		You know what I mean?
		So it's kind of like Ron Paul.
		How many terms did Ron Paul serve?
		Like 11 or something?
		Some ridiculous number of terms.
		And he was like, we gotta put term limits on Congress.
		And they would say, yeah, but you've served all these terms.
		And he's like, great!
		Once I get this done, I'm out!
		That's kind of how I feel about it.
		But I probably won't be donating to people in any capacity.
		It was around the time I was thinking about AOC and how she was winning, and I was donating to some people, and I talked about it on one of the segments I'm like, I don't like the idea of doing that, I probably won't do it again.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This brings back that definition of billionaire, being having a billion followers.
		You could make a video and say, this person is a better politician, 500,000 views, that's more valuable than a hundred million, maybe not a hundred million, a million.
		500,000 views from you?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Earned media on YouTube is a thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Billionaires will pay you millions of dollars to say that kind of thing, so we're at a very weird point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's actually much more nefarious than that.
		They don't even need to do that.
		What the billionaires do is they'll hire people who already believe what they want said.
		They're not paying them to say it.
		They're like, hey, I saw that really great article you wrote.
		Would you like a job?
		That way they make sure you can keep doing it and keep pumping out that influence.
		It's a dirty game.
		Popularity.
		Popularity contest.
		of the way the system works. It's very difficult to navigate. I just like I guess it's utopian of
		me to believe in this vision of a world where the working class are equally represented and
		honestly represented and an honest media is informing them of their rights and what's
		happening in the world so they can make the appropriate decisions. Instead what we get
		are industrialists, corporatists masquerading as conservatives to trick people into giving
		And that was what we had, you know, a couple of decades ago.
		And now we're in the era of the moral authoritarian cultists in the Democratic Party who lie to people and claim that everyone else is racist so that they give up their power to them as well.
		And that's the way the political system works.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I think what we're trying to square here is like you want to give the middle class opportunity to change their status.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		You want a meritocracy, but like maybe not so much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I kinda just want, like, if there's ten people, and six of them all agree, like, listen, we had a conversation about the gun thing, we think everyone should be allowed to keep their guns, and if you don't like it, I'm sorry, that's just the way we're gonna be running things.
		That makes sense.
		Instead what we get is there's ten people, and there's a debate going on about guns, and then some billionaire drops this mega movie production commercial where it's like, did you know that everyone who's ever owned a gun has died?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, sometimes guns are evil.
		You have ten people, five of them are like, we need to blow up the buildings.
		We need to get rid of this stuff.
		And then the other two are like, yeah, I guess you guys are right.
		And one of them's like, listen, I've done the math.
		I'm the one that's feeding you the corn that I'm growing with the structure that I built.
		I think this, and he's the only one that thinks it, but he's the one that's feeding people.
		So they do what he thinks and they survive as a result.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you guys ever see that episode of Family Guy?
		Where the Y2K happens, and then Peter brings them to... What city?
		He brings them to some city in Rhode Island where they have a Twinkie factory.
		They build a city, right?
		And then Peter instructs all of the people, because he's in charge, to melt down their plumbing to make guns.
		And they do, because somehow they can make all of these working parts from just crude piping, but sure.
		And then when the city finds out that Peter did this, they throw him out and burn all the guns.
		And then the mutant Stewies take over and kill everybody.
		See, they should have kept the guns.
		That's the kind of propaganda the 2A people need.
		I'm kidding.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Mutant Stewies running on treadmills?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The problem is the liars and the manipulation.
		And when you have one person who is not smarter than anybody else, maybe.
		Maybe they are smarter.
		Maybe they worked harder.
		But I think when you have a hundred people who live in this rural community, and then you get some dude from New York, who's made all his money off stocks and everything, and he's like, I think these people shouldn't have guns, and I'm gonna use all of my money to make sure that they are manipulated into voting away their rights.
		I'm like, I kind of got a problem with that.
		Anyway, Dom Fillari says, I work hard and I love what I do.
		Media production.
		I turn down jobs from people who perpetuate false narratives.
		I sent a few emails to you guys, but they must be under the thousands you receive.
		Would love to work.
		DomFillari.com hosts my reel.
		I appreciate it.
		We'll check it out.
		We do have much too many emails.
unidentified		All right, let's see what we got.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hapa-san says, when a generation of kids receive participation trophies and are never disciplined when wrong, they will grow into adults that demand to be given handouts or equity, or will vote in representatives for it.
		Great talk, everybody.
		Absolutely.
		And Duka Osai says, as a Nigerian immigrant, there are several things wrong with the African-American community.
		I'm sorry, he says, there are several things wrong with the African-American community, is lack of parental involvement and lack of community.
		P.S.
		they lived better under Jim Crow laws, so sad.
		Well, I'll tell you this.
		I can't speak to it because I did not live under Jim Crow.
		My family did live under these miscegenation laws and other racist laws that pre-civil rights.
		As for a Nigerian immigrant, I can only assume that you know way better than I do, and I'll defer to your opinion.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Well played, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but you realize the narrative, I've talked about this, the narrative from Black Lives Matter is that they agree with what Nduka said.
		When I was covering the Ferguson riots, there was a letter being circulated that talked about how the end of segregation was a trick by the white man to force the black community into the white community where they would always be underneath the historical generational wealth of the white man.
		That is literally the critical race theory.
		That is literally the narrative of these anti-racists.
		That's why they want segregation.
		They want to have their own space.
		I think that's wrong.
		I understand the argument, though.
		So certainly other people are saying it.
		Path of Resilience says Bill Gates stole tech from Apple.
		Actually, as I think it goes, they stole tech.
		They may have.
		I know that everybody copied off of Xerox.
		I think Xerox invented the mouse.
		And there's like this famous movie I guess everyone loves talking about.
		It's called The Pirates of Silicon Valley.
		Where I guess Apple copied the mouse and then made the mouse for the Apple with the graphical user interface was easier to move and control things.
		And then Bill Gates did it and then got... I think Windows did it first or something.
		And Steve Jobs, like Bill Gates, was yelling at him.
		Watch the movie, you'll see it.
		And he's like, you stole our idea!
		What is this?
		And he goes, actually the way I see it is you and I both had a neighbor named Xerox and you broke in to steal the mouse and figured out I stole it already.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Steve Jobs did it first.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Apple did it first.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shadi Viceroy says, I work hard at $20 an hour and I'm ending up this pay period 10 some odd hours overtime.
		I grew up in poverty so working hard lets me buy what I want when I want to.
		I don't because I'm saving for when I have kids so they won't grow up how I did.
unidentified		Very good.
unidentified		Well done.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Continue to instill strong work ethic.
		Next Hendrix says, Tim, I'm a professional guitar teacher and a very good one.
		Your music is great and I'd love to hear more of it.
		I'd also like to offer you guys some free lessons to support the cause and to take your playing and songwriting to the next level.
		Um, maybe, perhaps, uh, I did just lay down some vocal tracks on the next song, uh, Words in a Book, which is, like, it was really hard to sing, and I'm like, I don't know if I can do this, because I talk all day, and so I'm like, and then I skate, and I'm dehydrated and tired, and I'm trying to sing now, I'm trying to do too much in one day, but I think we got it, and I think this song is really good, and y'all have probably heard it before, if you remember the old Friday Night Jam session, so, yeah, check it out.
		Uh-oh.
		PotatoMasher says, Jack is a closeted elitist.
		He was mega sus when he made that comment about girls when they're 18.
		IDK what's his vibe.
		Here's your 20.
unidentified		Oh.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Mega sus about what?
		About girls who are 18 years old being like basically physically mature women?
		I got no problem.
		I'll restate that one.
		No sweat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll do a couple more.
		I'm trying to find... There's a big jump in superchats.
		I want to find the one where people are yelling at me saying that I'm a libtard for talking about taxing the rich or whatever.
		But I guess it's not really that, you know, a whole lot of people who are.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But no people that said that you were thought of.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brendan Curry.
		Here we go.
		Jack and Tim are both correct, but neither can find the line.
		The line is freedom of speech.
		Example, Mark Zuckerberg has crossed it.
		He has used his money to restrict speech.
		Crime needs punishment.
		Tax him.
		Interesting.
		Yeah, there you go.
		It's tough.
		Um, when a billionaire buys an ad on YouTube and they say, I'm willing to spend a dollar every time this ad is viewed, then there's no way you or I is going to get a commercial to counter that because their bid is too high.
		I can't afford a dollar a view.
		That's crazy, but they can.
		And they're going to laugh about it all the way to the bank.
		So then even if you put your ad on Google and you say, I'm willing to spend 5 cents per view, they're going to be like, well, we're never going to run this ad because you're just outclassed.
		Sorry, buddy.
		It's the name of the game.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So cap the amount of money people can spend on ads?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I think a good start is don't donate to elections in which you are not a constituent, which would mean the billionaires could still affect federal presidential elections, but they wouldn't be able to impact congressional elections.
		Because if you live in California, you ain't giving money to AOC.
		You know what I mean?
		Benjamin Rhodes says, y'all need to talk to Michael Malice again.
		Anarchy is the solution.
		Taxes and regulation can't fix anything.
		No government equals no bad government.
		Yeah, I know, but we watched the Cuyahoga River burst into flames one time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I'm from Cuyahoga Falls, and my father watched it with his own eyes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Crazy, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A river on fire.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A flames.
		It's like, what?
		Too much, what was that?
		I don't even know, feces or chemicals.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A bunch of factories were dumping little bits in.
		It's not my fault.
		I only did a little bit.
		It's like, you realize all of you doing it made this river start on fire.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Akron was like the rubber capital of the world where Goodyear was, and after World War II, they were making all this rubber, rubber, rubber.
		So much pollution.
		Here we go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it seems like most people enjoyed the conversation we were having.
		Woodworker Anon says, Tim and Jack, you seem to agree.
		Meritocracy, but not tyranny.
		Make as much money as you want, buy whatever you want, just not control over others.
		Our votes are all equal because all lives matter.
		Oh, Ian and the Fed.
		Oh, Ian and the Fed, bro.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you see someone suing the Fed?
		I'm going to get the guy's name.
		Support this guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it seems like there's a lot of people saying something similar that, you know.
		All right.
		Richard Cranium says, Tim, you and Jack have a problem.
		I'll solve it.
		Check out the hook while my DJ resolves it.
		For real though, thanks to Tim and crew for all you do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brony Ninja says, can I get a shout out for Desolator Magic, my favorite channel that rants about Magic the Gathering, with as much fervor as y'all do about the left.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We did have a rant about Magic the Gathering last week.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We could have many, many more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because so it's a card game.
		It's a strategy game.
		I'm sure you're familiar.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Only because I've come up here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You'll appreciate what I'm going to say.
		Wokeness has come into the game.
		And what's happened is they're trying to attract the lowest common denominator participation trophy players.
		So they're removing skill from the game and making everything ridiculous.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		OP cards.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It's not fun to play anymore for people who want to challenge.
		But if you're somebody who doesn't want competition, and doesn't want to challenge, and you want to look at pretty angels, well, I guess non-binary angels or whatever, then you will play and be like, I'm gonna play the 20-20 for three manas, and then they're gonna be like, I'm gonna play my 20-20.
		You win!
		Oh, gee.
unidentified		Lame.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Can't you just not incorporate these new cards into the game?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You play with older formats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's older formats, but then it gets really ridiculous when, like, we play Commander for the most part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a format that incorporates, like, almost every set, and there's a ban list of things that are ridiculous.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But there's just still too many insane... Yeah, we had to make a special house ban list, because I would play Armageddon, which would destroy everyone's land, which is your way of using... And they all want to quit.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Adam and Tim are like, I'm done with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's an old card.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Basically what happened is there's some new cards where it's like, what did you play?
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they would scoop our cards and put them away because it's like, listen, we have, here's the way I explain it.
		If I've only got an hour every day for recreation and I'm either going to exercise my body or my mind, I don't want to sit at a table where I literally do nothing for an hour.
		I'd rather just play a strategy game on my computer than sit here with some ridiculous nonsense card.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It feels like you're rolling dice, like whoever, because if he gets the mana crypt on turn one, it's basically game over for me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've got a 7% chance of winning.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's just ridiculous... It's because... But the video... It's also old card, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Old card.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but a $200 card.
		The clip we did had almost as many views as the show.
		Like, it's so popular.
		Such a market.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was 300,000 views on this clip when we talked about it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We should do a gaming channel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One of our biggest segments ever.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you want to make real money on YouTube, apparently, you should just open up boxes to gifts or, like, things like that.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Minecraft videos.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Ricardo Gomez says, First ever Super Chat.
		Love what your team is doing.
		Have you considered bringing in gothics?
		I think you'd have an interesting conversation.
		Not familiar with gothics.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hey, I wanted to shout out George Gammon, who's suing the Federal Reserve.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He made a YouTube video about it, and I advise everyone to go check it out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, we got too many super chats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yikes.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'll read just two more, because they're pretty big ones.
		Charlie says, LOL, yes, Tim.
		Two years later, they signed the thing.
		And then 250 years later, the great Tim came along to leave his great words to all of us.
		Thank you, Tim, for the scoff and your kind words.
		I know, I was trying to make a joke about it.
unidentified		The thing.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		They signed the thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Some people did something, you know what I mean?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		And here we are!
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Here we are!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just yadda yadda yadda.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you yadda yadda yadda a revolution?
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		James Moening says, Apologies on the retraction.
		I didn't want to give bad facts.
		I live in downtown Minneapolis.
		The trial today was big.
		Will Chamberlain had a good breakdown.
		You, Ian Jack Lids, are great.
		Alright, so...
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		So thanks for hanging out, everybody.
		And Jack, you've got a bunch of stuff.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		All the things that Tim just said about YouTube channels, please do that to mine as well.
		Jack Murphy live, trying to grow that sucker.
		New videos every day.
		Big interview coming up on Friday.
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		It's going to be awesome.
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		I planned it just like that.
		Ian.
		What about you, buddy?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Jack Murphy in the house.
		I just want to give a shout out to Jack Murphy, who I love.
		You know I love you, Jack.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		I love you, too.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I always love having you here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's one of my favorites.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		It's my best time of year.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's enough.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Enough from you.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Thank you guys so much for coming.
		And you at home, you.
		Thank you.
		Check out my website, iancrossland.net.
		Tim pointed at my cup to remind me.
		I think it was my cup.
		No, because you were going to knock it over.
		Oh, sorry about that.
		Yeah, do whatever.
		But hit me up on iancrossland.net if you want to see all my social networks.
		You can get me from there.
		Thanks, everyone.
unidentified		It's hard to top Ian after that one.
		That was great.
		I really, really, really wanted a million subscribers for Christmas.
		Did not get that.
		That was all I wanted for Christmas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For Easter!
unidentified		For Easter.
		Please, you guys.
		I love you all and I really appreciate your subscription.
		I'm Sour Patchlets on Twitter if you want to follow me there.
jack murphy ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Lydia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've got a very serious bonus segment coming up.
		It's about a very serious tragedy and we're going to get really serious about it.
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