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March 16, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Biden Flailing As Over 100k Migrants Spark Border CRISIS w/Col Allen West
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tim pool
right now joe biden is getting slammed by cnn He's getting slammed by the left and the right over his handling of an escalating border crisis.
They're saying that encounters have now surpassed over 100,000.
He's reopened some of these facilities for detaining children that even Donald Trump closed.
So he's getting flack from the progressives.
He's getting flack from the conservatives.
He's not doing enough.
He's getting flack from many of these people on these border states.
So we're going to get into this.
We're going to talk about a bit of what's going on with the culture and a bit of the cultural crisis we have here in the U.S., where the hyperpolarization is resulting in talk of things like secession.
And it seems like Joe Biden, when it comes to the COVID response, when it comes to his leadership, he's not actually speaking to red states.
He's only really speaking about blue states, leaving many conservative Republicans kind of upset with the job he's doing.
But this was I'd imagine predictable.
Hyperpolarization has been expanding in this country for quite some time.
It's been getting worse.
It was particularly bad under Donald Trump.
And I think we can be very critical of the media for a lot of this.
And now it's probably only going to get worse because it seems Joe Biden simply got elected just because a lot of people didn't like Trump.
We now have a poll coming out that suggests less than half of voters think Joe Biden is capable of even handling the job of president.
So we'll have a good discussion about it.
And we have a really great guest tonight.
We're being joined by Ellen West.
I'll just let you describe yourself and introduce yourself however you'd like.
allen west
Well, it's good to be here with each and every one of you.
Ian, Tim, and Lydia.
You know, former retired Army Lieutenant Colonel, former member of the United States House of Representatives.
As a matter of fact, it was ten years ago that I was serving up here in the House of Representatives, and now also the Chairman of the Republican Party of Texas.
So it's a pleasure to be here with each and every one of you.
And I kind of get this feeling like this is Logan's Run, and I'm Peter Ustinov, and I'm being brought back into the city with all the young people.
I mean, this is kind of cool.
tim pool
Well, I'm 35.
allen west
Well, I got you by 25 years.
tim pool
But I'm still dead in Logan's Run universe.
allen west
Yeah, you're dead, but you're a runner.
tim pool
Right.
allen west
So you came out and you found me in Sanctuary, and you brought me back to the city.
ian crossland
What's the premise?
I never saw it.
allen west
Oh my God.
tim pool
When they turn 30, they get killed.
allen west
But they tell them you're being renewed, but you're not being renewed, you're being killed.
ian crossland
So they bring people back?
allen west
No, there was one person that was the oldest person and there was this place called Sanctuary and that's where the runners went to so that they can live a full life.
And they found this person out in Sanctuary and they brought him back to show to the people that you can't grow old.
So it's kind of interesting being here, you know, with my salt and pepper flat top with you all.
tim pool
I think you're still pretty significant in the political landscape.
You're chairman of the Texas Republican Party.
Recently you had a quote and all of a sudden the media was in uproar saying you were calling for a secession of Texas from the United States.
But you made a really good point.
You kind of had this wink moment at the press where you kind of baited him into it.
allen west
Well, absolutely.
That's one of the things that the military teaches you, is that you always think about, before you do anything, before you take an action, you, you know, think of how would your opposition, you know, look at this?
How would they respond to and react to it?
And so, basically what I said is that, you know, here in the United States of America, there should be a union of constitutional, law-abiding states that form together.
And now, of course, the left went crazy about that, but if you look at the preamble of the Constitution, what does it say?
We the people of the United States of America, in order to form a more perfect union, first thing, establish justice.
So if you're going to, you know, get into an argument with me about constitutional, law-abiding states coming together, abiding by the rule of law, then you're going to lose that argument.
tim pool
They're basically saying they're the ones who aren't abiding by the rules.
allen west
Yeah, absolutely.
And so yesterday, I don't know if you can pull it up, but every Monday I put out what is called a Chairman's Monday Message, and it goes out.
And so yesterday the title was Constitutionists vs. Secessionists.
Because really the people that are seceding in the United States of America are the people that are breaking away from the Constitution.
You look at the legislation that they're passing, H.R.
1, which is trying to nationalize federal elections.
Show me where in the Constitution that the federal government has the enumerated power to run elections.
That's the state's right.
That's the state's responsibility.
tim pool
We're going to get into all this.
We'll just keep this as a shorter introduction.
But I do think it's interesting considering you're in Texas, you're a border state, you've got serious issues with the migrant crisis that Joe Biden— Illegal immigrant crisis.
Absolutely.
Illegal immigrant crisis.
Biden's being heavily criticized for his inability to handle it.
And, I mean, you're also, you know, everything we just talked about with the Constitution and these states and the hyperpolarization, so it's going to be interesting.
We got Ian hanging out.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
Ian Crosland in the house.
tim pool
See, Ian was trying to interview, you know, from Westview.
ian crossland
And I'm like, Ian, you've got a military background, your time in Congress, what does the chairman of the Republican Party do?
allen west
We'll get into it.
tim pool
We got Lydia pressing all the buttons.
lydia smith
Yeah, trying to sneak more interviews in with our guests before they get on air.
allen west
That's Miss Producer.
lydia smith
That's correct.
allen west
I mean, you know, Mark Levin has Mr. Producer.
You got Miss Producer.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's right.
unidentified
Thank you.
lydia smith
I value that.
I like that title.
tim pool
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Let's read this first story.
And I'll just highlight a couple little snippets.
And then we'll just dive into this conversation.
CNN, of all outlets right now, surprising.
They report Southwest border crisis leaves Biden vulnerable on all sides.
They say the White House may be loath to call the situation on the Southwestern border, which hundreds of migrant children are crossing alone, a crisis, but it's fast becoming a political emergency for the president.
We have Fox News reporting that encounters have topped 100,000 in just February, as the migrant crisis is spiraling.
So here it comes.
So, Alan, you're in Texas.
You're the chairman of the Republican Party.
I mean, this is an issue that's very seriously affecting you.
allen west
It's incredibly affecting us.
And one of the things you have to understand is that Texas is the number one state in the United States of America for human and sex trafficking.
Dallas and Houston are the top two cities.
So that's an important part when you start to have all of these unaccompanied minors that are being brought in.
What happens to them when they're just released into the society?
As a matter of fact, they're looking at bringing 3,000 of these illegal immigrants into Dallas to put them at the Katie Bailey Hutchinson Convention Center.
Then where do they go from there?
tim pool
These are minors.
allen west
These are minors.
And so when you understand that atmosphere, when you understand the illegality of drugs to the cross and the drug cartels and how they're getting richer, it comes back to a very simple premise.
Why do you break something that is working?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
And so you had an immigration situation that the Biden administration took over.
It was fine.
No one's talking about it.
Everything is okay.
But because you are so owing to the progressive socialist left, and they have this open borders agenda, Then you make the faux pas of going in and creating a catastrophic situation by executive order, and now you don't have a means by which you're going to take care of it.
And the important thing that the Biden administration needs to understand right now, there's no orange man bad.
tim pool
Yeah.
allen west
There's no Donald Trump boogeyman out there for people to look at and have that distraction.
Now all that they're doing is saying, we got an issue, we got a crisis.
And no, Jen Psaki, you can't circle back to it.
You can't say that this is just a challenge.
This is affecting people, black, white, Hispanic, Republican, Democrat, independent, libertarian, whatever you want to call it, because you are destabilizing one of the largest states in the United States of America.
tim pool
Well, something interesting you just mentioned, it was working, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The system was working.
Well, Pelosi says the Biden administration inherited, quote, a broken system at the border.
This is from The Hill on March 14th.
So they're already deflecting.
And I think, you know, I've covered the migrant crisis throughout the past several years extensively.
The number of encounters and migrant children had dropped dramatically.
allen west
Incredibly so.
tim pool
Under Donald Trump.
allen west
Yeah, I mean, what we're talking about in the entire last year is what we've already seen in the last six weeks.
And so this is a crisis situation.
And, you know, again, they can try this deflection, but the hypocrisy becomes absolutely laughable if it weren't so serious.
It's kind of like, you know, the Cuomo-Kavanaugh, you know, hypocrisy.
But they can't fall back and say, well, this is Trump's fault.
I'm sorry.
Orange man is gone.
tim pool
Literally, Pelosi's trying to do that.
allen west
They're trying to resurrect the boogeyman, but it's just not gonna work.
tim pool
You know, banning him from Twitter sure did backfire on the left because Trump would be tweeting right now.
allen west
He's silent.
tim pool
Yep, nothing to say.
allen west
And you know what?
I would say, President Trump, if you're watching me, remember me?
I used to be your congressman because Mar-a-Lago was in my district.
Stay silent.
Allow them as Napoleon would say never interfere with your enemy when they are destroying themselves
ian crossland
What um, what was this executive order that Biden signed that's screwing with the border right now
allen west
Well, he basically has said one of the things was that there will be no deportations
And our Attorney General sued him on that.
tim pool
But he is also, you know... You guys won, right?
allen west
Yeah, we won that.
We have a stay on that so we can continue to deport.
But one of the things that he did was he said that this whole thing about you must stay on the southern side of the border in order to be processed for your asylum, that's over now.
And so now they understand that they can do the asylum processing in the United States of America and that's why they're flooding in.
And we have gone back to the catch-and-release system where, you know, everything about this COVID, but yet you had 108 illegal immigrants that tested positive for COVID in Brownsville, Texas, and they were taken to a bus station and they were released.
So is the Biden administration serious about COVID?
I would think that you would not allow 108 illegal immigrants to just flow right into the state.
tim pool
There's a lot of hypocrisy.
allen west
Tons.
tim pool
And it's kind of crazy how often we can all bring it up and it doesn't seem to change.
But what I do notice is that one of the areas of hypocrisy is the woke, critical race theory type people, the progressives.
They use the phrase Latinx, something that most Latinos don't recognize or even use.
And what's fascinating is the shift in the southern counties in Texas, mainly Latino, went for Trump.
allen west
Yes.
That was a huge story of the November 2020 election in Texas.
And my theory was that, kind of like the mentality of paratroopers, paratroopers jump in behind enemy lines.
And so why didn't we just go and take our message into the areas where they thought they were strong, into the Rio Grande Valley, and talk about our principles and values, talk about the open borders, talk about the legal immigration, Talk about strong families, strong small business entrepreneurship, better education opportunities, not defunding the police.
Talk about the threats from the drug cartels.
And guess what?
They're like, yeah.
And when you look at the policies of President Trump, where you had record unemployment in the Hispanic community, when you look at the oil and gas industry that was thriving, which meant good paying jobs, black, white, Hispanic, it doesn't matter.
Then they said, yeah, we like this direction.
Now, all of a sudden, this Joe Biden comes in and their communities are being threatened.
The drug cartels are being empowered.
The illegal immigrants are coming back in, which means a taxing on them and their tax base to provide additional services.
It means a lack of safety and security.
So they are alienating further this area that they once thought they completely control.
tim pool
This is a big, big story of the November election.
As you mentioned, Trump winning over more votes from minority communities across the board.
allen west
Most in 60 years.
tim pool
Yeah.
allen west
That's something to stress.
I mean, when they talk about Donald Trump as a racist, then explain to me how he had the most minority electoral support of any Republican in 60 years running for president.
tim pool
And who did he lose?
He lost white voters.
allen west
Yeah.
tim pool
And so I wonder, who is really buying into this message about immigration?
You know, Trump is racist for wanting to deport illegal immigrants and things like that.
Certainly isn't the minority communities that are literally on the borders who are experiencing what happens with unfettered immigrants.
allen west
Or the black communities are going to see their wages being depressed, their job opportunities going to be gone as well.
And they saw that they were thriving in the Trump administration.
But look at it and think about it this way.
The suburban white woman that was told again, orange man bad, he's a nasty person, doesn't like women, his tweets are horrible.
Now all of a sudden the suburban soccer mom Has to ask herself, why is this six foot two gender dysphoric biological male going to be on the soccer field with my daughter?
That's not what they voted for.
tim pool
Well, they should have paid attention to what they were voting for.
allen west
But again, now that's why it comes back to that poll that you just talked about, how a lot of people don't see Joe Biden as being capable of being the president and all of these things that he is implementing by way of the leftist agenda.
And it's going to be the same thing for young people.
I mean, I think that with President Trump, you had a cultural president connected with young people.
He's a little rough and whatever.
That's something that you get with a New Yorker.
But now you have someone that, you know, if you think that free equals freedom, you're horribly wrong.
tim pool
Yeah.
One of the main issues that seems to have been lost on the left is the economics of mass migration and illegal immigration that even Bernie Sanders was criticizing back in 2015.
Here's this guy, he's the champion of the left and the progressives, and in 2015 he said, open borders is a Koch brothers proposal.
He was basically saying these big billionaire industrialists want cheap labor with no rights, that they can get in there for below minimum wage and they need these policies in order to do it.
And there were big scandals.
I remember I watched a documentary where some of these companies would bring in illegal immigrant labor promised them a bunch of money, and at the end of the month just call immigration and have them all deported, and they were exploiting these loopholes.
They wanted that porous border for this purpose, but that means these factories were actually taking away good-paying jobs for low-skilled labor in these areas for working-class Americans.
allen west
You're absolutely right, and that's why you see the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce, that it's all about, you know, the open borders and the illegal immigration.
That's why you see a lot of these big businesses and corporations don't want E-Verify.
tim pool
What does he verify?
allen west
He verifies the system by which people are registered and you can track individuals.
They don't want that.
You have some partisanship on either side with this issue.
One people want to bring in a new victim class.
They want a new voter base.
The other side wants to have a cheap labor base.
But in the end, who is getting squeezed and who's going to be the most affected?
Your middle to lower income levels, blacks and Hispanics, are going to be the ones to suffer with the scourge of illegal immigration.
ian crossland
And I liked what you said about free does not mean freedom because we built a system of law and rule that has enabled us to be free, to experience freedom in our system.
Like you have to abide by a strict rule of law so that you don't get jumped when you're walking down the street and you can feel free outside.
Just dispensing with the rules and this Antarctic free society does not lead to freedom as we understand it.
allen west
No, it doesn't.
And when you think about what was going on, I mean, you grew up in Chicago, and I remember seeing the riots that were happening in Chicago with these Black Lives Matter social justice warriors, and they were going in and busting up all of those stores on the Million Mile.
tim pool
Magnificent Mile.
allen west
Magnificent Mile.
And what were they saying?
This is how we're going to get our reparations.
tim pool
A woman is actually quoted as saying that she didn't care when asked about the ride.
She said, this is reparations as far as she's concerned.
There's a video of a guy firing a gun into the window of one of these shops trying to steal luxury merchandise.
Look, I'm not a big fan of like luxury brands.
I think it's, you know, it can be a bit pompous, but I think it's fine.
People have that stuff.
I don't think someone should go and shoot guns and steal it because they think they're owed something.
allen west
No.
tim pool
But it was defended in the media.
allen west
And that's the sad thing, and that's the breakdown of the rule of law and order.
Remember that, you know, when John Locke wrote his Second Treatise of Government, and he talked about this thing, you know, that was completely different.
It was natural rights theory that was different from divine rights theory.
And John Locke came out and said that there are three inalienable rights that we have from our Creator.
It's life, liberty, and property.
And what do you see happening with the left?
All you got to do is go to the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx.
It is about taking away that individual right to property.
And that is what you see happening in America now.
It's a wealth redistribution scheme that says, I don't care how much you work hard, Tim.
I don't care how successful your podcast is.
I don't care how well you're doing here, Ian.
It is our right as the government to come in and take it away from you and redistribute it to someone else.
That ain't freedom.
tim pool
I had a good conversation with a socialist.
I think it was the Socialist Party of Great Britain or something.
And they basically said, when I brought up that point about property, they said, no, no, no, you don't understand.
In socialism, you're allowed personal property.
It's very different from private property.
allen west
Like a watch?
tim pool
Right.
So when they said they're banning private property, I'm like, so what, I can't have clothes?
And they're like, no, no, no, no, that's personal property.
Private property is like a building.
And I'm like, okay, so let's try and find that line of where you split personal property from private property.
They were trying to explain that private property in their system means the means of production.
allen west
The factory for producing things.
Ah, nationalizing production.
tim pool
Well, so here's the question I had.
Okay, well, I do my work by filming myself with a camera.
The camera is my means of production, my factory, essentially.
Should that camera be owned by someone else, or should it be my personal property?
Didn't really have a good answer for it, because it's a weasel-word excuse for some justification for seizing people's private property.
allen west
Absolutely.
tim pool
Personal property is meaningless, your shoes.
Okay, but what about my car?
What about my bike?
What about my food, my refrigerator, my home?
Where do you draw the line?
And they said, ultimately, well, we don't necessarily know.
Of course you don't know.
Your system is magic.
It doesn't make sense.
allen west
And it's broke.
It has never been successful.
And so, let's take that philosophy and let's over-plant it to the last year dealing with this COVID issue.
Show me in the Constitution where any elected official has the enumerated power to decide who or what is essential in the United States of America.
Show me in the Constitution, coming back to your statement about the rule of law and freedom.
Show me in the Constitution where it says that any elected official, politician, can come to you and say shut down your business.
Shut down your livelihood.
But yet, I will continue to be paid.
tim pool
Isn't the 14th Amendment barring them from doing that?
That people must be treated equally under the law?
allen west
Equal protection under the law.
tim pool
Yeah.
allen west
Absolutely.
But see, when you have the ability to redefine the law or fundamentally transform the law and say that, well, you know, we don't really know what it is, but we're kind of deciding as we go along.
And if we continue to have, and let me say this correctly, when we morph from being people to being sheeple, We are allowing ourselves to be fear-mongered and intimidated into surrendering our everyday liberties and rights.
Remember what Benjamin Franklin said, those who would surrender essential liberty for temporary security will in the end deserve neither liberty nor security.
tim pool
And lose both.
allen west
And lose both.
They won't deserve either.
So that's what we're talking about when we say freedom does not equal freedom.
If you want someone to give you something for free, you're surrendering your freedom to that person.
tim pool
Let me ask you, you bring up the Constitution and elected officials have a right to tell you you have to close your business.
My response is, I think the 14th Amendment says equal protection under the law.
Do you think that's fair to say that these politicians, these states, are by chance violating the Constitution of the United States?
allen west
Absolutely they are.
And as a matter of fact, you have had several state Supreme Courts that have come back and said, hey, what our governors did with these mandates, edicts, orders and decrees were unconstitutional.
We are a constitutional republic.
That means we are governed by a rule of law.
We are not a constitutional monarchy where someone sits up like Ramses Farrow and says, so let it be written, so let it be done.
And we're supposed to all fall down like subjects.
We're citizens.
And I think that's what's so important.
If there's one message I can get to the young people.
You've got to understand the structure of this government.
You've got to understand the roles and responsibilities of the respective branches.
You've got to understand your rights, because if you don't, they're going to be just absolutely confiscated.
tim pool
I want to read for you a quote.
It's a very important quote from a very smart man who said, Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a union of states that will abide by the Constitution, Texas GOP Chairman Allen West said in a statement Friday night.
The Texas GOP will always stand for the Constitution and for the rule of law, even while others don't.
Very funny joke, I know.
It's your quote.
But you said that, and just in the context of what has been happening, not just, and this was in the context of the election and the Supreme Court's ruling.
allen west
Yeah, against the state of Texas and the other states coming together about their unconstitutional actions.
tim pool
Right, right.
Looking at that, looking at the bigger picture, I think it's fair to say we are seeing the Constitution be used... Well, I won't be too disrespectful myself, but let's just say they're absolutely disrespecting, violating, and turning the Constitution into Swiss cheese.
allen west
Completely.
tim pool
So you had this statement that many said you were essentially calling for secession, and it actually sounds like you were accusing them of secession, you know.
allen west
You know who this is, right?
tim pool
You got the Declaration of Independence right there.
And the Constitution.
allen west
See, it's falling apart because you know I take it everywhere I go.
Let me see, let me go to, where's that whole preamble thing?
Oh, there it is!
So, the preamble, we the people of the United States, in order to what?
Form a more perfect union.
And in order to form a more perfect union, what's the first thing we do?
Establish justice.
So, again, coming back to that piece I wrote yesterday, constitutionalists versus secessionists.
The people that are seceding are the people that are violating this document.
The people that are constitutional and law-abiding, like we saw in this past election cycle, you have several states where governors, secretaries of states, and courts did unconstitutional actions.
The only people that can change election law is the legislative branch.
tim pool
Yes.
allen west
But yet, that's not what we saw happen.
So, that's not a debatable thing.
I mean, YouTube is not going to cancel you out unless YouTube doesn't understand the Constitution.
But yet, we had people that allowed that to happen.
tim pool
Absolutely.
We had numerous instances, I think 24 states, where outside of a legislature, election rules were changed.
allen west
And that's wrong.
tim pool
Some of these states didn't challenge it.
Many of them did.
And somehow, none of them got standing or ruled on the merits.
allen west
And that's horrible because if you're a state of Texas and you join with 17 other states and you are going to constitutional right petition your government for redress of grievance against another state, there's only one court you can go to.
The Court of Original Jurisdiction is the United States Supreme Court.
United States Supreme Court cannot say to Texas that we're not going to hear the case.
tim pool
They didn't.
allen west
But that's your job.
Right.
And so again, we have this abdication of the rule of law and those constitutional duties and responsibilities.
And for those people that want to say that, you know, I'm talking about seceding, well then what was the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact all about?
Where these blue states were going to come together and undermine the Electoral College?
Okay?
tim pool
Which is in the Constitution.
allen west
Is in the Constitution.
So they're the real secessions, Ian, you had.
ian crossland
Yeah, I feel like they're using martial law as like impetus to, you know, bypass rights, and they're acting like COVID is such an emergency that they have to do this.
Now you served as lieutenant colonel, and I imagine you understand the The necessity for martial law in certain situations, if we were under attack or something horrible, you know.
allen west
9-11.
ian crossland
Yeah, worst case scenario, power grid goes out, evasion, whatever.
allen west
Yeah, like lice went out in Texas just recently.
ian crossland
People would be, and in the past have been, stripped of their constitutional rights.
You know, habeas corpus was suspended.
allen west
Abraham Lincoln.
ian crossland
Yeah.
allen west
But this ain't it.
This ain't it, folks.
Okay, let's honestly talk about COVID.
We're talking about something that has a 99.96% recovery rate.
Okay, even the CDC came out last fall and said that out of all the deaths attributed to COVID, only 6% were because of.
94% were basically people that died with COVID.
They had other comorbidities.
They were obese, high blood pressure, heart disease, type 2 diabetes, all of these things.
tim pool
Well, so I'll push back a little bit and give my standard clarification.
I guess the only way I can really break down kind of a middle ground on this assessment is these people would have lived longer had it not been for COVID.
So some of these people died of renal failure.
allen west
And a lot of conservatives have pointed out- But how much longer?
I mean, how do we know that?
I mean, some of these, I mean, you look at the preponderance of the deaths with COVID were above 70 years of age.
tim pool
Yes, absolutely.
I mean, a very strong majority.
allen west
Is that the reason why you go in and suspend the constitutional rights of an entire country?
tim pool
Well, so here's the point I want to make.
Even if it were that COVID was the number one cause outside of any comorbidity, the answer is still no.
We have to respect, as a community, when we have emergencies, But even when you look at the grand total, I think it's 97.5% recovery when you include those over 70.
I mean, that's still ridiculously high.
Granted, that's looking at a lot of deaths.
That, you know, 2.5% out of 330 million.
Yeah, but every year you average almost 600,000 with heart disease.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
And obesity.
Yes.
allen west
Every year.
tim pool
And we don't lock down the country.
We don't mandate calisthenics programs.
allen west
No.
tim pool
We do not shut things down because people are doing things that can be arguably socially contagious, like bad habits, bad eating, bad exercise.
allen west
Think about how stupid it is, okay?
So we know obesity is one of the things that, you know, together with COVID causes death, but yet we're going to shut down gyms.
ian crossland
Right.
Keep alcohol stores open.
tim pool
Not only that, but lack of vitamin D. Dr. Fauci himself said, we lock everyone in their houses.
Stay inside.
And we know that COVID was spreading more inside than outside.
We lock everyone in their homes with no sun, with no exercise, and a higher chance of rate of spreading COVID.
What did people think was going to happen?
allen west
So it was... But see, the thing, and again, no emergency is grounds to suspend the rule of law.
So what this was, was a grand experiment in control.
tim pool
Well, do you think the Civil War was grounds for suspending the Constitution?
Abraham Lincoln did it.
allen west
I know, but I would not have.
I mean, you cannot suspend people's habeas corpus.
But the interesting thing is that you had a situation where we were fighting against each other within the same spaces.
I mean, here we have West Virginia, and being on one side, Virginia is on another side,
and Pennsylvania is on another side.
But still, you don't suspend constitutional rights no matter what.
And that goes back to what Franklin Delano Roosevelt did with the Japanese Americans with the internment camps.
I understand the criticality of the situation, but you do not suspend people's constitutional rights.
tim pool
Agreed.
allen west
But they have put their toes in the water, and they found that the water was very receiving.
tim pool
Yeah.
allen west
And so what is the next step?
ian crossland
Well, have you heard of this, the Great Reset, the World Economic Forum?
I mean, I think that the U.S.
has been co-opted by the Federal Reserve and global banking establishments, and they're using our military and our economy.
allen west
And where do you find the premise of central banking?
ian crossland
Switzerland and the Bank of International Settlements.
allen west
Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto.
tim pool
Is that really in there?
allen west
It is.
Centralized control of banks.
Just like centralized control of education.
Just like progressive tax system.
We have a tax system in the United States of America that's based upon the principles of Karl Marx.
A progressive tax system.
And so, again, there's so much of this out there that if a dumb old boy from Georgia who used to jump out of airplanes for a living, if I can figure this out, you really smart people can figure this out.
Yeah, I couldn't fly airplanes, I jumped out.
tim pool
So we'll have a conversation on this because there are a lot of things that are more liberal or left-wing policies that I agree with, but my challenge, one of the things that always leaves me more of a moderate in the middle is implementation.
So when I look at the progressive tax, I think about people like George Soros, I think about the Koch brothers, I think about that's a basis as a source basis to
extremely powerful individuals who have so much wealth they've actually shut out the
working class election process of the some examples
my bloomberg dumping
have five hundred six a million dollars into the election always saw that with mark zuckerberg exit
allen west
Yeah, into Texas, directly to a county clerk's office.
So no, we should not allow that to happen.
tim pool
So, a few years ago, I was very much, I should say for a long, a large portion of my life, I was very much in favor of a progressive tax system where we have a higher percentage of people who make more.
Because of, I guess, arguably called the law of power, right?
Power attracts power.
The more money you make, the easier it is for you to make more money, and this money allows you to invest, reduce risk, live comfortably.
If you make $10 million, it's very, very easy for you to make more because you have so much access and things like that.
allen west
So, the argument— You see, I would disagree with you.
tim pool
Disagree?
allen west
Yes.
How is it that a kid that doesn't even have a college education can grow up and be a multimillionaire in the United States of America?
tim pool
They can.
allen west
Yeah.
And so it's about the equality of opportunity.
What you're talking about is the corruption of power.
And so what it takes, I mean, much the same as Sir Edmund Burke said, all that's necessary
to triumph over evil is for good men to do nothing.
So if we continue to have a political elite system, which I think even Anne Rand kind
of wrote about.
If we have a political elite system that teams up with the corporate cronies and the elites of corporations, like what we see with big tech right now, then you see a usurpation.
tim pool
So my view of the progressive tax was, in a simplistic kind of way, you can create a system that makes it harder for people with extreme wealth to utilize that wealth as an advantage over the working class in the arena of politics.
That's my core reason.
allen west
And I agree with you.
That, like I said, is the corruption of power.
Right.
tim pool
Here's the problem.
Giving the money to the government doesn't solve the problem because now you have another monopoly that has all of that power.
And so you've got permanent bureaucrats that would take that money from the ultra-wealthy and then just maintain their control.
So, you know, ultimately, while I still kind of view that as a better alternative, simply
because there's many bureaucrats versus the one billionaire who can flood the zone with
money and shut out the working class, I ultimately still see it as a problem that needs to be
solved beyond the present day.
allen west
We don't allow them to flood the zone.
tim pool
Exactly.
So that's the other point I would make, is maybe the solution is more simply some kind of restriction somehow.
I honestly don't know how you'd do it on political spending.
allen west
Well, this is where I think it starts, is one of the things that Mark Levin wrote about in his book, Liberty Amendments, is term limits.
On members of Congress, House and Senate.
Because the longer people are up here in Washington, D.C., the richer they'll get.
I mean, ask yourself, how could a young lady from Brooklyn, New York, that was a bartender, have a posh penthouse apartment in Washington, D.C.?
And you know who I'm talking about.
tim pool
Yeah, isn't it like three grand a month or more?
allen west
It's a lot.
Okay?
It's a lot.
And so, you know, when I was in Congress ten years ago, I had a, you know, You know, fully furnished little basement little, I call it the Batcave.
Didn't even have a window.
tim pool
They're members of Congress sleeping in their offices.
allen west
Yeah.
tim pool
It's a big problem.
allen west
So how does it, and I disagree with that, so how is it that, you know, this person that was a former bartender now has a posh penthouse apartment over there by Washington Nationals Park.
I'm telling you.
It's this.
And so it's that marrying of the corporate cronyism to the political elitism.
That's what we all should come together.
tim pool
I agree.
You know, I hear it from the progressives.
I hear it from the Young Turks.
And I completely agree with them.
The problem is, you know, like the Citizens United ruling, which I'm sure you're familiar with.
You know, you've got these super PACs, these political action committees.
How do you tell someone they can't spend their money to buy a commercial?
I mean, it's a free speech issue.
allen west
I don't mind people buying the money for a commercial.
I don't want them buying a politician.
tim pool
Well, how do they do that?
allen west
You make sure that they cannot buy a politician.
You pass the laws like what we're doing in Texas right now in our legislative session that says, Mark Zuckerberg, you don't get to come back in here and dump $100,000 in Harris County so that they can go out and, number one, try to do universal mail-in ballots, which is against Texas election law, and they expand curbside voting, which is completely against Texas election law.
So that's what you do.
Our states have power.
That's why you have a Tenth Amendment.
It says all the powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved to the states and to the people.
So our states need to assert their powers and make sure that, like I said, coming back to H.R.
1 and some of these other things being passed.
Constitutional nullification was pretty much so passed in North Dakota.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about H.R.
unidentified
1.
tim pool
Yeah.
So it passed the House.
allen west
Passed the House.
tim pool
It's not yet gone to the Senate, right?
allen west
Well, it's over to the Senate, but the thing is right now, this is a concern.
Right now, the Senate still, you have to have 60 votes to end the cloture, which means that you can go into the final vote.
If they change that and get rid of the filibuster, then you got problems.
tim pool
Yeah.
allen west
Now, what keeps the Democrats right now from going straight to getting rid of the filibuster?
Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, West Virginia and Arizona, have said they will not support getting rid of the filibuster.
So we'll see what happens.
ian crossland
They can just all of a sudden snap their fingers and be like, yeah, no more filibusters allowed.
tim pool
Then it would be 51 votes or 50 votes and a tiebreaker.
allen west
And the tiebreaker is Kamala Harris.
And see, that's why the Senate was set up to be the upper body of our legislative branch.
And it will require 60 votes because what the founding fathers wanted to make sure, sure, you got the representation of the people.
That's majority.
But over here in the Senate, that's the clearinghouse.
So everything can't just get rammed right through.
You really have to have a deliberative body.
tim pool
So let's break down for me H.R.
1.
I've read a bit of it.
There are some things I don't actually like, but there are some really alarming things.
allen west
It's incredibly alarming because H.R.
1 nationalizes elections.
You talk about nationalizing production and confiscation of property.
What H.R.
1 does is takes elections away from the states.
It says that all across United States of America there will be universal mail-in ballots.
It says that there will be no voter registration reviews anywhere in the United States of America.
No picture ID for voting in the United States of America.
Felons can vote.
There will be same-day voter registration and voting.
There will be online voter registration.
And it sets up an independent commission for redistricting.
States right now do their own redistricting.
Why do the Democrats want to take over redistricting?
Because Republicans control 62 of 99 legislative bodies across the United States of America.
So the Republicans are in control of the political reshaping for the next 10 years of the respective states.
The Democrats don't like that.
So H.R.
1 is completely unconstitutional in every way, shape, form, or fashion.
Now, of course, the Democrats are going to throw some nice things in there to try to entice you to do it, and they're going to give it a real nice name, For the People's Act.
But it is an oxymoronic title with the emphasis on the word moron, because what it does, it takes away the ability of states to run their elections.
ian crossland
What good stuff did they put in it?
allen west
I haven't seen any, really.
tim pool
Well, I'm in favor of felons being able to have the right to vote.
You mentioned that.
It sounds like you view it as a negative.
allen west
I think it was, uh, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Remember Sammy Davis Jr.
saying that for, you know, Serpico?
There has to be consequences and ramifications for breaking our rule of law.
tim pool
Well, they go to prison, you know?
I mean, the way I see it is, there's two really big things for me when it comes to felons.
If you commit a crime, and then you are, you know, you're handed down some kind of punishment, penalty, or something from a judge, You serve your time for the crime, your right should be restored.
Your right to own a gun and your right to vote, in my opinion.
allen west
So should a rapist be able to own a gun and vote?
tim pool
I think the answer is yes.
After they've paid their debt to society.
allen west
I can't go there.
I've got two daughters, so I can't go there.
So you and I are going to disagree on that one.
Because first of all, if you did that to my daughter, you've got to deal with me.
unidentified
There's certain things that stand beyond the courts.
allen west
And again, I don't like to blanket one-size-fits-all.
If you want to look at certain offenses, where if someone does their time, then they're restored.
But to make the blanket statement, I can't do that.
ian crossland
And it's state by state right now, right?
In some states, felons can vote.
allen west
Yeah, I think that Virginia is one of those states.
And there's a reason why.
tim pool
I think that's actually a really good point.
I think there's probably some crimes where you do not get your rights restored.
So we had a conversation the other day about the Second Amendment.
And I said, if the Constitution says your right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, there's no caveats in that.
It doesn't say if you're a felon.
So as far as I see it, while you're in prison, or on probation, or on parole, whatever it is, you are serving punishment.
You can't have a gun.
But I think once you've paid your debt to society, your rights should be restored.
allen west
Well, again, and I would say that if you're a person that went out and committed aggravated assault, you know, if you committed a gun-related crime, I don't know if I want you to come back and get, or a spouse abuse or something like that.
But let's talk, you know, it's a good point that you talked about.
tim pool
I just think it's funny that I might be further right on 2A than you.
allen west
I don't think so.
I'm on the board of the National Rifle Association.
But you talk about H.R.
8, which is another thing that just passed the United States House of Representatives.
And so think about what H.R.
8 does.
Let's say you've got a friend that, you know, is waiting to get a firearm, but they just had someone break into their house.
And you want to, you know, hey, here's my, you know, P365 SIG, or here's my Glock 43.
Do you know that you're now a felon?
Because of what was just passed?
tim pool
No.
Well, so it didn't pass the Senate yet, though, right?
allen west
No, but it's passed in the House.
unidentified
Right.
allen west
And so again, you know, we've got to understand, when we say it hadn't passed the Senate, but what we have to start thinking about, what is the mentality?
What is the philosophy of governance of the progressive socialist left?
Because that's what you see happening in the House of Representatives.
H.R.
127, H.R.
unidentified
130.
allen west
I know that you got firearms here, but do you know that Sheila Jackson Lee says that you cannot have any loaded firearms in your house?
unidentified
What?
allen west
That's H.R.
unidentified
130.
tim pool
What's the point of having it?
allen west
Well, I'm sorry.
I mean, I'm the government.
I know better than you.
ian crossland
What's, uh, did it pass the House?
unidentified
130?
allen west
H.R.
127 and H.R.
130 have not come up.
H.R.
8 was passed last week.
unidentified
H.R.
8.
tim pool
And so this bans, it effectively bans the private sale of firearms because you would need a federal background check no matter what.
So there are certain places where... I'm sorry, that makes literally no sense.
They like to call it the gun show loophole, but it's literally not a loophole.
It's just the private sale.
So let's put it this way.
There are many states that allow the private transfer because it makes sense.
If you live in... West Virginia is a good example.
The middle of nowhere in West Virginia, in the mountains, And you got a neighbor who's, you know, maybe two miles down the road and he's like, look man, we're getting really bad, 30 to 50 feral hugs.
And you're like, well, why don't I sell you this here, you know, firearm so you can keep your property safe, help keep your kids safe and your crops or whatever.
allen west
Or even I loan it to you.
tim pool
Oh yeah, you can't do that either.
allen west
Can't do that either.
tim pool
That's a felon.
Right now you can, in West Virginia, so long as you're not giving it to someone who is ineligible.
So there is still a responsibility on you.
If you're like, here, I'm going to lend you this rifle, and it turns out the guy's a felon, now you're in trouble.
I'm going to sell it to you.
Now, under H.R.
8, you would have to go to an FFL, and then do the NICS background check for the individual, and then go through a standard transfer.
Now, me personally, I don't live out in the middle of nowhere, so I don't think If I was going to do a transfer, I'd go to an FFL anyway,
just so it's a clean transfer and my name's off of it.
But I certainly understand why there might be a guy who's like, for his brother, I'm going to give you this weapon to
guard, you know, your property or the five acres in the back I'm letting you use.
HRA would make that illegal.
allen west
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's...
allen west
Make you a felon.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's messed up.
tim pool
Maybe it could be reasonable if it was like an administrative fine of some sort.
allen west
But not even that.
But think about this, okay?
When my oldest daughter was going to Southern Methodist University, she was getting her master's in biochemistry and humma humma because she's really smart, like her mom.
And so she had to stay late at night to do, you know, lab experiments, lab works, whatever.
And so SMU is located close to downtown Dallas.
And so I loaned her my 9mm.
I said, keep it, you know, so that when you're walking out to your car in the parking lot, you just make sure that you're safe.
HRA makes me a felon for saying to my daughter, here, take Dad's 9mm so that you can be safe when you're over there late at night.
tim pool
And I think your daughter knows how to use a 9mm.
allen west
My daughter has fired a Barrett.
She's daddy's girl.
Both of them.
tim pool
50 BMG.
allen west
Yeah.
And so this is my concern.
And again, this is why I'm so glad to be here with young people is that you are seeing a slow usurpation, confiscation of your rights by people that have a mentality of a philosophy of governance that has never done anything to promote freedom.
ian crossland
You mentioned earlier term limits.
I'm a huge advocate for that.
allen west
Yeah, 12 years.
How would you see 12 years?
ian crossland
Okay, how would we do this?
allen west
This is how you do it?
Well, I mean, they're not gonna vote for it themselves.
unidentified
Okay.
allen west
And so that's why the founding fathers were brilliant.
It was almost as if when they sat down 200 and some odd years ago, and wrote the Constitution, they said, How can these stupid idiots screw it up?
And so they figured out every single fail-safe backdoor method.
And so therefore, they came up with Article V, which is a convention of states,
not a constitutional convention, a convention of states, whereby if you get 34 states and they assign delegates,
they can come and they can recommend an amendment to the Constitution, like term limits
on federal House of Representatives and senators.
But if you get 38 states, states can actually change the Constitution.
States can amend the Constitution.
That's Article V.
So one of the things that you should look at is, why are these guys staying up here forever?
You know, there are certain states out there to have term limits on their state House members,
state senators, everything's working fine.
So if you have 12 years up here.
And I base that on two terms as a senator.
That's 12 years.
Six terms in the House of Representatives.
That's 12 years.
And it's not transferable.
You don't get to say, well, you know, I've been over here for 10 years in the House, and I'm going to run for senator, and I'll get another 12 years.
No, it's 12 years total.
ian crossland
So we have 36 states.
34 states.
allen west
And you can recommend an amendment to the Constitution.
And then the Senate would have to... Yeah, the House and Senate has to vote on it.
So we need 38.
ian crossland
38.
And do we need a majority in each state?
Just 51%?
allen west
No, 38 states to come together and vote to have the participant in an Article 5 Constitution of States.
tim pool
Theoretically, that's just the legislative bodies.
allen west
That's just the legislative bodies.
Right now, I think we're at 16.
tim pool
For Republican states?
The Republicans control the majority, the legislatures don't.
allen west
But right now we're at 16.
Wow.
tim pool
Well, so let me, I can loop this back into the gun control thing because you mentioned they could recommend an amendment to the constitution at 38, they can get it.
Second amendment says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
But in New Jersey, if you bear arms, you will be arrested and you'll be a felon.
allen west
Yeah.
tim pool
In New York and in Illinois, in California, your right to keep and bear arms has been infringed quite literally as worse, as bad as it And guess what?
allen west
That comes back to exactly what I said.
Law-abiding constitutional states.
That's what I talked about in that article.
Constitutionalists versus secessionists.
The people that are going against our Constitution, they're the secessionists.
So when you look at a state that is telling you that you cannot have your constitutional right, I don't understand why anyone in any state would sit back and say, well, okay.
You don't get to give it and take it.
Just the same as you cannot tell me, as a private business owner, I must shut down my business.
tim pool
There was a post on the Donald Forum, they changed the name, it's patriots.winnow, where they were talking about the right to keep and bear arms has been infringed.
And there was a lot of sentiment saying... Ammunition, magazines, all of this stuff.
And so a lot of the sentiment I found to be, I'll just put it this way, I won't comment my opinion, but people were saying, then express your right to bear arms and gain judicial standing to sue in defense of the Second Amendment.
allen west
Absolutely.
tim pool
That's a bold statement.
allen west
No, but think about it.
But there are two cases, D.C.
versus Heller.
Richard Heller, and I know him personally, was afraid.
He just wanted to be able to have a firearm to defend himself in Washington, D.C.
They told him he couldn't do it.
He went to the Supreme Court.
He won the case.
Otis McDonnell, black man, Chicago, took on the city of Chicago, McDonald's versus Chicago.
tim pool
That was relatively recent, wasn't it?
allen west
That was back in the 80s.
Yeah, back in the 80s.
But a black man just wanted to be able to defend himself and his home.
And he took the city of Chicago to the Supreme Court.
So it's already been done.
It's already been taken.
So we have proven that it has standing across the United States.
It has standing in states and local municipalities.
But yet we still allow people to undermine the most important right that you have.
Because the founding fathers understood.
That your First Amendment rights, the freedom of speech, press, expression, symbol, freedom of religion, petition the government for redress for grievances, those are passive rights.
If you don't have a mechanism to defend and secure those rights, they're going to get taken away from you.
And that's why they have the Second Amendment.
tim pool
The great modern thinker, Dave Chappelle, said the Second Amendment is just there in case the first one doesn't work out.
allen west
And he's absolutely right.
tim pool
That's an amazing statement.
Dave Chappelle's amazing.
allen west
But it's absolutely right.
tim pool
Brilliant.
allen west
And you think about, there have been only two instances in the United States of America of revolution.
Okay.
And that was the American Revolution and in Texas.
And both of those revolutions started because of what?
tim pool
Gun control.
allen west
Gun control.
The British were marching toward Concord, Massachusetts to destroy a weapons and armaments factory.
On April 19, 1775, they were met at Lexington Green because they understood if you're armed, you're a citizen.
If you're disarmed, you're a subject.
October 2, 1835, in Gonzales, Texas, the Mexican cavalry shows up.
Because they want a cannon back that they had given to the people of Gonzales to protect themselves against the Comanche
Raiders Because they were hearing about this thing called
revolution amongst the Texians the Texans replied with that famous response come and take it
Wow, those are the only two instances And so this is I'm just all you leftists. They're out there.
This is a very bad thing that you all are doing Well, so hold on.
tim pool
The far left, they're super pro-2A.
It's the establishment, suburban, liberal types.
So the larger portion of the left voter, the Democrat voter, absolutely in favor of gun control.
But that element of progressives, the socialist types, I mean, they're armed to the teeth.
They might not be as nearly as skilled or well-trained or physically fit, but you can see it on Twitter.
They're advocates in two ways.
allen west
Yeah, that's kind of like the guy that was part of an Antifa Black Lives Matter rally down in Austin, Texas, and he had, I think, an AK-47.
He went up to a car and started shaking his AK-47, and inside the car was an army soldier.
That's right.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So, look, they absolutely are in favor of guns, but again, they don't seem to be as well-trained.
There are some groups that are.
There are left-wing socialist and communist militia types, where you can tell these guys have real training, but they are few and far between.
But if you go to your average Antifa person, oh, they're all about weapons.
I mean, they show up with explosives, they show up with guns in Portland.
allen west
And lasers.
tim pool
And lasers.
But we recently had, there was a story of a woman who was in Portland during the riots.
She had a, I think she had a Glock 17.
They want guns.
You had that guy, um, what was the guy who went to the ICE facility in Tacoma?
lydia smith
Oh yeah, Willem, uh, Vince Bronson.
tim pool
Yeah, he had himself a ghost gun that he brought and was using against an ICE facility.
These are leftists.
This guy was a vowed Antifa.
allen west
But see, the thing is that, and you delve into another subject, is that what Antifa or Black Lives Matter does is going to be acceptable.
But if you have the constitutionalists, the law-abiding legal gun owner, Those are the people that the other side does not want to have the firearms.
And so there's a hypocrisy in that, regardless.
And I think that is the danger that we see.
ian crossland
The military perspective, if you were looking at this like a combat situation, would you then infiltrate the Black Lives Matter Antifa segment so that you could utilize it to overthrow or propagate your victory?
allen west
Well, I mean, that's one of the forms of maneuvers, infiltration, but we already know who they are.
We already know what their structure is.
I mean, look at the silliness of the fact that, you know, Facebook, Twitter, and all these other guys, they want to kick, you know, conservatives off of these platforms, but yet Antifa, Black Lives Matter, they're still operating on these platforms.
I mean, the Iranian mullah over there, Ayatollah Khamenei, is still operating on Twitter.
So, again, we know everything about them.
It's so interesting is that all of these folks that were participating in January the 6th, their houses are getting raided.
They're being picked up just like that, being arrested.
All of these folks that we see over a year or more that have been doing these, you know, attacks, raids, and continue to do so, nobody's arresting them.
tim pool
There was this thing that happened with a journalist at the New York Times named Taylor Lorenz, Tucker Carlson.
It became this huge story, and I took the approach of, you know, we shouldn't engage in this kind of, you know, specific name-calling.
I understand you want to be critical of a journalist because of what they do, but I was pointing out that you've got to go after the ideas and the institutions, not the individual.
Now, a lot of people told me I was wrong.
They said, Tim, they started the fight and we're fighting back.
And my response to this is, after everything we've seen with the January 6th people, they're getting their house raided, they're getting smeared in the press relentlessly.
Some of them can't even get lawyers.
And I'm not talking about the worst of the worst.
I'm talking about the bumbling lady.
At what point did you think that you were fighting symmetrical warfare, where you want an equal footing with your opponent?
allen west
You're not.
tim pool
It's a double standard.
You're second class.
If you protest, they call it a violent riot.
allen west
Oh, you're an insurrectionist.
tim pool
And if Antifa shows up with guns and firebombs a federal building for a hundred plus days, they call it a peaceful protest.
So at a certain point, you have to realize that the media apparatus will villainize you no matter what you do, and you've got to be very, very strategic about how you approach this, understand the rules by which they play, and exploit them for strategic victory.
Totally right.
But if you throw mud the same way they do, you're doing what they want, and they're winning because they made the rules.
It very much reminds me of The Matrix.
You've got the idea of the blue pill, the red pill, people who are in the narrative, people who aren't.
And the agents, for some reason, super fast, super strong, but as they explain in the Matrix, they still have to abide by all of the same rules.
They explain that Neo, who somehow gains the abilities of these agents, is just understanding their rules and controlling the Matrix in the way that the agents do.
Once you realize that, then, what is it, when you say, what does Neo say, you're talking about I can dodge bullets?
No, I'm saying that once you realize how the media narrative works, you won't have to.
allen west
You won't have to.
And that's one of the things that Lydia and I were talking about.
Read Sun Tzu.
tim pool
Definitely.
allen west
Because you have to have a strategic mindset to understand exactly what you said.
Find the gaps.
Find the means by which you can exploit the other side.
Find their weaknesses.
Because if you continue to have the frontal assault mentality, you're gonna get gunned down.
All you gotta do is ask Pickett about that charge he just did, you know, right up there.
ian crossland
I'll tell you one of their weaknesses, the Grammys.
If you really want to get through these people, write a hit song and play the Grammys next year.
Because that's what they need right now.
tim pool
Well, so, at the Grammys, they did a pro-Black Lives Matter, pro-riot performance.
They had Tameka Mallory come out and say, we don't need allies, we need accomplices.
I mean, it's outright advocacy for the violent riots.
allen west
And so, the interesting thing is, when you hear someone say, Black Lives Matter, and this is something I want to tell everybody out there, the first thing you should respond is say, which Black Lives Matter?
tim pool
That's right.
allen west
Put them totally on defense.
tim pool
Because... Does Candace Owens matter to these people?
allen west
No.
tim pool
I don't think so.
allen west
I don't matter.
tim pool
You don't matter, that's right.
allen west
The 20 million black babies that have been murdered in the womb since Roe v. Wade in 1973 don't matter.
The blacks that are killing themselves in gang violence in Chicago, they don't matter.
The young black kids that are being locked out of schools because of these teachers' unions and they're falling further... they don't matter.
And so again, we have to take that title And find a way to flip it on them and put them on the defense and just say, which black lives matter?
tim pool
I mean, I will say, strategically, for one, I think it's probably obvious to you, the abortion argument never works because it's just the view of what constitutes life to the left and to liberals and conservatives is different.
allen west
But see, this is what I say.
I say, OK, so you guys are so woke and everybody's a white supremacist, everybody's racist and all this kind of stuff.
Well, who founded Planned Parenthood?
tim pool
Margaret Sanger?
allen west
A white supremacist, a racist, who spoke at Ku Klux Klan rallies, referred to blacks as undesirables and weak.
73% of Planned Parenthood clinics are in black neighborhoods.
So why did she cancel?
tim pool
They did cancel her.
allen west
Who?
tim pool
They disavowed Margaret Sanger.
unidentified
Who?
tim pool
The Planned Parenthood.
Who?
The people at Planned Parenthood.
Numerous people at Planned Parenthood came out and said, you know, we apologize for this, and denounced their own history.
unidentified
So she shut down.
allen west
Yeah, but why didn't it shut down?
tim pool
Well, you know, that's not actually, like, cancel culture may be a thing for you.
They can disavow it.
allen west
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
So if you're going to go out and think about, okay, so Black Lives Matter.
So why did you allow people to tear down the statue of Frederick Douglass in Rochester, New York?
tim pool
That's one of the few things that really got to me, especially.
allen west
Well, it got to me too.
tim pool
Frederick Douglass was amazing.
allen west
He was an incredible man.
Why would you allow the monument to the very first black man that wore a uniform for the United States of America, the 54th Massachusetts Regiment, to be desecrated?
tim pool
Who was it?
allen west
Huh?
ian crossland
Do you know the guy's name?
allen west
No, this council culture, they went and desecrated the... Do you know the name of the guy in the statue that got torn down?
tim pool
Frederick Douglass.
ian crossland
Oh, he was the first black dude?
allen west
No, the 54th Massachusetts Regiment was the first black unit.
I mean, these were slaves and freedmen that fought for the United States in the Civil War.
And they desecrated their memorial in Boston.
tim pool
Did you see the video of the two white Antifa women spray painting on property?
And the two young black women are like, what are you doing?
Stop doing that!
Yeah, you ain't helping me.
allen west
As a matter of fact, there's a great book by Jason Reilly.
It's called Please Stop Helping Us.
No, seriously.
He's a Wall Street Journal... That's a great title.
Yeah, please stop him.
tim pool
So, something I often bring up, my experience in Ferguson, and so for those that are, you know, listening, you may have heard me tell the story, but I'd love to tell it to you, Colonel West.
I was in Ferguson during the riots, and I witnessed young black men linking arms to protect the convenience store as people were running around and looting.
and they were begging.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They were saying, these people, telling a journalist, Sebastian Walker,
at the time Al Jazeera, now for Vice, was there and he said, what are you doing?
Tell me what's happening.
And this young black man says, we live here.
These are our communities, our businesses.
These people who are looting and rioting don't live here.
Gets a phone call and he gets all, he's like, oh, it's my mom.
Seb Walker, he's like, don't worry, I got this.
And he takes the phone, and I'm standing there, it's one of the, like, just most profound, amazing moments I've experienced in a riot.
This journalist takes the phone, and he's like, yes, hello.
Yeah, I'm with your son.
No, he's being very responsible.
He's a very good young man.
And, like, the dude who was guarding the convenience store from the rioters, his mom, he's getting vouched for by this journalist.
It was amazing.
But you know what happens next?
An article gets written called In Defense of Looting, which said that those people who came to victimize this community were actually just lashing out against white supremacy.
This individual then later wrote a book about it.
This person, of course, is a white progressive who knows nothing about this community and what they actually wanted and was being exploited and destroyed.
I remember during the peak of the Black Lives Matter riots, we had that rapper, I think his name was Big Mike, Basically just exasperated saying, why did you come and burn down black businesses in Atlanta?
This is not about Black Lives Matter, but that's exactly what they were doing.
allen west
And that's why you should respond, which Black Lives Matter.
You know, I look over there, you got on that piece of art, then I'm afraid you ain't black.
tim pool
The George, the G Prime one.
allen west
Yeah.
How utterly condescending and disrespectful that was from Joe Biden to say that if you don't have this mentality, if you're not going to allow yourself to be a victim, you're not black.
ian crossland
It's either like racism or just idiocy.
I think maybe probably both.
allen west
It is both.
Racism is idiocy, but I love it when you hear the Democrats talk about systemic racism.
Well, let's just look at their history.
The purveyors of systemic racism in the United States of America has always been the Democrat Party.
Okay?
In 1961, I mean, I'm, you know, again, going back to the Logan's Run thing, I'm a little bit of a relic.
There's not probably too many people that you can find that were born in a blacks-only hospital.
I'm one.
ian crossland
Which one?
allen west
Hugh Spalding Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia.
I grew up in the old 4th Ward.
That's Dr. King's neighborhood.
And so, I kind of know a little bit about being black.
And I kind of know a little bit about equality of opportunity versus equality of outcomes.
But when we have a party that has systemically throughout history done everything they possibly could to destroy a certain community, to now the mechanism of destruction is economic enslavement, not physical enslavement.
Now the mechanism is to try to have this soft bigotry of low expectations.
But you still get the same result.
Victims and enslavement.
And so when people, it's just unconscionable to me, when I hear the Democrats and the people on the left, and they have these modern-day gatekeepers called Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the Congressional Black Caucus trying to keep people as victims, it just turns my stomach.
tim pool
Have you seen what's going on at these universities?
allen west
The return of segregation?
tim pool
of segregation. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, why would you want to sit around and say,
allen west
well, we want the black student union, we want this, we want that, we want to...
tim pool
Separate graduation ceremonies?
allen west
Separate graduation, separate proms and schools. I mean, why are we going backwards?
ian crossland
I think that it's, this is maybe it sounds gonna sound crazy, but the communist Chinese party,
Chinese Communist Party, is intentional. They used to go after Han supremacists.
We had James Lindsay on last week, he was telling us about this, and it was all about supremacy, Han supremacy.
You're either a Han supremacist or you're a Han, or not.
And so now it's white.
Now the word is white supremacist.
It's all about dividing.
And I mean, they say they play the long game.
This is like a 30 year, 60 year psychological trauma.
They're establishing trauma on our society.
allen west
Well, if you go back and listen to Joe Biden's speech, Joe Biden's speech was not about unity.
Joe Biden's speech was about conformity.
Joe Biden's speech was saying, we can be unified if you conform.
And if you don't conform, now you're a white supremacist.
And oh, by the way, we're declaring war against you.
So Joe Biden, the incoming president of the United States of America, stood there and basically said that they are declaring war on the 74 to 75 million people that didn't vote for them.
That's the ideological civil war that we're in.
And when you start to look at some of these pieces of legislation being passed out of the House of Representatives, H.R.
5, the Equality Act.
H.R.
5 has nothing to do with equality.
It has everything to do with a progressive ideological agenda that takes away your freedom of speech and your freedom of religion.
ian crossland
What is it?
allen west
H.R.
5 basically says that the LGBTQ agenda has been codified into law.
If you speak out against it, if you are a pastor, you don't.
tim pool
Specifically, it adds gender identity as a protected class in the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and there's a lot of muddy waters.
This is very different from when we litigated non-discriminatory actions.
It was one thing, and this is an argument we often hear, To say a gay couple wanting to get a cake, it's a different thing to be like, well, you can do whatever you want in the privacy of your own home.
It's not our business to interfere with that.
So you deserve protection, equal protection under the law and things like that.
With the Equality Act, it would actually, it opens up things like high school athletics to biological males.
So, so women's sports will now be opened up.
allen west
Title IX is done.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
So, so it's done.
allen west
It will be done.
uh... what it might all nine title nine is women's sports women's athletics
and so scholarships and scholarships uh... as a matter of fact there's a case of these young
girls up in connecticut were too
uh... gender dysphoric biological males are competing in the hundred meters of
unidentified
two hundred meters it is blown away they broke the record can we just make
ian crossland
i mean it's a little high in the sky but like new sports like you get a male sports female sports transgender
allen west
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You're, you're, you're, you're Neanderthal.
ian crossland
Is it because there's not enough?
I think I am part Neanderthal.
allen west
You're just bad.
ian crossland
I didn't do the DNA.
allen west
You're bad.
Where's your heart?
ian crossland
It's right here, baby.
allen west
But don't you care about them?
ian crossland
Yeah.
allen west
Who cares about women's rights?
ian crossland
I do.
I care about human rights.
tim pool
So actually, let's do this.
Let's jump into this story about the U.S.
Army.
unidentified
Oh yeah, I know where you're going.
tim pool
You may be an expert on the armed forces, having actually been in them, but we have a story from, this is from Ladbible, for some reason I chose Ladbible.
U.S.
Army could reverse gender-neutral fitness tests as research finds women struggle.
So I've got, well I've had family in, I come from, I actually come from a military family.
Everyone but me basically was either married into or served.
And I remember hearing stories from, I briefly lived just, just off of base housing in Fort Eustis, Fort, is it Fort Eustis?
allen west
Eustis, yeah, Virginia.
tim pool
Newport News.
And I also briefly lived on Fort Carson in Colorado Springs.
allen west
I know it very well.
tim pool
Heard a lot of stories from people who had no problem bringing up men or women, that women have a different standard.
allen west
Now, first of all, you know that in the House of Representatives, you can't say men or women.
They got rid of that language.
tim pool
Yeah, that's Nancy Pelosi's rule.
She got rid of gendered language.
ian crossland
What's the situation now?
What do you say?
tim pool
Hey, them?
allen west
You?
tim pool
Yeah, you.
ian crossland
How is that woman still?
tim pool
But anyway, we'll stay on the military thing.
So I remember hearing stories from people who went through basic training and they would say, you know, the women would complain and be given special leeway and things like this.
There were certain medical issues that women had to be granted special access to facilities that men didn't get.
And so very much were given special treatment.
Apparently at some point they wanted to do gender neutral testing.
And my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, they were saying that Disparity.
It used to be that women did well in women-specific testing, and that means they would get promotions.
Once they implemented gender-neutral testing, where it was even for both males and females,
the women were struggling to score well against the men and not getting the promotions, thus
creating inequity.
Disparity.
allen west
Inequity.
tim pool
Inequal outcome.
outcome.
Yeah.
See, women had the equal opportunity to compete in the same tests, but because the standard was standard, the men just tended to do better on physical tests, meaning the women weren't in the promotions.
So now they're apparently gonna reverse this.
You told me that you had stories, you knew people.
I don't know what your thoughts on this would be.
allen west
Well, let me put it in this context.
Why do we have men's downhill skiing and women's downhill skiing?
Pretty innocuous thing.
I mean, why don't we just have men and women competing in downhill skiing?
tim pool
Something, for some reason, men can spin faster, jump higher.
allen west
Yeah, you have men's figure skating and women's.
Why do you have men's hockey and women's hockey?
Men's basketball.
tim pool
Men way more.
ian crossland
Bone density.
The shape of the hips.
allen west
Oh, okay.
So, why is it when it comes to your national security?
That you want to say that there's no difference.
ian crossland
I don't get it.
tim pool
We are in serious trouble when it comes to this.
Listen, I am absolutely all for trans rights and LGBTQ rights and the respect of the individual and equality under the law.
allen west
But let me tell you something, Tim.
In the United States military, I could put a guy out for being overweight.
You cannot join the military if you have flat feet.
tim pool
Yep.
allen west
So now all of a sudden we're going to say, and this is what the American Psychiatrics Association calls it,
gender dysphoria, a mental condition.
So now we're saying that the United States military has to accept people with a mental condition
and then provide them hormonal therapies at the taxpayer expense.
What does that have to do with our national security?
That's another one of these feel-good things.
While, as you just talked about, the Chinese Communist Party, they're building their army, they're growing their hegemonic dominance, they're expanding their navy, and we're over here saying, why can't we be fair and have more equity and let everybody play in the sandbox?
tim pool
I have tremendous respect for everybody who serves or wants to serve, but I think that someone who's overweight, we could find a role for them that's a net positive for us.
They don't have to be in combat, they don't have to be in maybe one of these standard positions that require the physical fitness, but I certainly think trans people as well as overweight people, we could absolutely find them to be a net positive for our armed forces.
allen west
But now you're telling me that the United States military has to accept someone with a condition, a mental condition, determined by the American Psychiatric Association, which means they're going to have to provide counseling.
They're going to have to provide hormonal therapies and all of this type of stuff at the taxpayer expense.
I don't think that's what the military is in existence for.
The United States military is a volunteer organization.
We have to have standards.
We have to have rules.
We have to have, you know, guidelines.
Because we are not looking at being a everybody come and join and play.
That's not what the United States military is, as a voluntary organization.
Now if it was a draft organization, that'd be something different.
If it was an organization where we had obligatory service, then that's something different.
But let me just put it in these terms.
I'm 60 years of age.
I'm five foot nine.
I'm about 206 pounds.
This morning I got up and I knocked out three and a half miles.
Did my, you know, push-ups and crunches and everything.
If you put me in a ring with Ronda Rousey or any, you know, mixed martial arts, yeah, you know, they probably could get in that kick on me because, you know, I'm 60.
Maybe I'm a little slow.
But if I get one punch to their head, What's going to happen?
tim pool
It's my bone density.
It's all of those things.
on this one. And you know, he talked about this quite a bit.
They got mad at him for it, but he pointed out that men have bigger hands, stronger
grit, bigger joints and striking power. It's my bone density. It's all of those things. It's
rejecting power. It's twitch, muscle twitch, fiber. I think there is an issue if we are
displacing strong, able-bodied individuals with people who are not fit to serve for a
variety of reasons.
But I also think that, in my personal opinion, I look at, say, a trans man, someone who was born female, is on therapy, and is now a trans man.
I think there's a net positive to anybody who's willing to serve this country, and we can find a way to make that That came because of the Obama administration.
Once again, it's about the social engineering of our military.
Let me tell you something.
A bullet doesn't know male or female.
have women in combat roles, though I think now we do this is right in the
allen west
in. That came because of the Obama administration. Once again, it's about
the social engineering of our military. Let me tell you something. A bullet
doesn't know male or female. There's no doubt about it. But the one thing that my
number one standing order when I was a battalion commander and we ended up
going to Iraq in 2003, my number one standing order was keep your bayonet
Why did I say keep your bayonet sharp?
Because you never know when you're going to have to go into close quarter combat with the enemy.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
Yo, I got a question along those lines.
As a leader, as a commander in the military, now, if a woman were to be in a commander role, do you think you need the biggest, baddest dude, like the tough, strong men to be commanders?
Or could you get small, female commanders that would be as good or better than men?
allen west
Do you think there's Well, I will tell you that there is an example of leadership that, without a doubt, is necessary.
If you're going to be a commander of combat troops, you got to kind of look like a combat troop.
And let me put it in this perspective.
If I walked in here with you all today, And I said that I'm a retired Army Lieutenant Colonel.
And I had, you know, I'm not picking at you, but I had hair like yours Ian.
Oh.
No, you see, but if I had hair like yours, Ian, and if I had a little pooch belly and everything like that, when you kind of look and say, scratch your head, say, man, he don't look like a, well, be honest, be honest.
tim pool
Well, let me, let me just, I'll just make a point.
allen west
No, I'll be honest.
tim pool
Would I, would you say in the back of your head, man, he don't, You see what just happened with Tucker Carlson and that Marine?
allen west
I know exactly what just happened.
tim pool
He got accused of being overweight, out of shape.
allen west
You know, and again, I don't think that we should have United States military senior officers and senior enlisted men attacking a news personality.
tim pool
Yeah, I agree.
allen west
See, that goes against, you know, we're supposed to be protecting freedom of speech.
tim pool
Let me say something in regards to like this, you know, army testing and stuff.
I've been skateboarding my whole life.
I'm sorry, but I actually worked with some individuals who are part of an organization.
I'll leave their name out.
I don't want anyone to get dragged, but I had a good friend who was one of the best female skateboarders in the world at a certain time period.
I went to the X Games, VIP access, and we got to hang out.
She was a really good friend of mine growing up.
And I got to listen to a top female pro tell these young women they will never be as good as the men.
I actually took issue with that back then, saying like, you may believe that, but don't discourage people.
Tell them to strive to be the best and to view that as competition to be better.
But when you look at, you mentioned skiing, I'm thinking skateboarding, there's no question.
You watch men's, you know, X Games skateboarding, and you'll notice a very obvious difference between the male and the female skateboarding.
But actually, I actually took some basic first aid training.
I've actually done hospital environment training, so I got a bit more extensive.
And when I was younger and trying to learn some of the basics of first aid because I'm, you know, I skated all the time.
And my mom was like, it's important.
You should learn some stuff.
Google it.
And, you know, I did.
I learned some things about sports.
Women are more likely to suffer knee and ankle injuries skateboarding than men.
allen west
Yeah.
tim pool
Because of something called the Q angle, which is the hip, the wide hips of females means that their femurs are at a wider angle than men's, which means they're more prone to joint injury than a man is.
allen west
And the same thing in the military when you start talking about going for a 12 mile ruck march and you've got 60 pounds on your back and really in combat you're carrying a whole lot more.
But, you see the sustainment of those injuries because there is a physiological difference.
Now, coming back to what your question said, Ian, I want the best possible person to be out there as a leader.
But, the thing is that you've got to be able to lead and accomplish the exact same task that you're asking your troops to be able to do.
When I was in combat, I was right up there hooking and jabbing with my guys.
If there was an X percentage of my unit that was dedicated to a combat operation, I was out there.
Okay?
And so that's the thing that has to happen.
You know, combat is not about social engineering.
Combat is not about equity.
Combat is about you against another person.
and killing that person. That's what war is. War is hell.
That's what William Tecumseh Sherman said.
And as a matter of fact, it was Nathan Bedford Forrest, and hopefully no one gets upset because
I'm quoting a Confederate general, but Nathan Bedford Forrest is, war is about fighting,
and fighting is about killing.
That's the bottom line.
It's not a computer game where you're sitting back and you got a bunch of drones or whatever.
The bottom line is someone has to be on the ground and point something at somebody else and eliminate them.
And that's what we need to be thinking about because that's what the national security of the United States of America is all about.
tim pool
Now I'll say something that will probably offend a lot of the left where I'm actually trying to make a point in favor of women in the military is that there's that saying, we heard it recently, was it soldiers march on their bellies?
Something to that effect?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That you need to keep a military well regulated in terms of their equipment, not in terms of law.
You need to keep them well fed and like a well-oiled machine.
When Tucker Carlson made these comments about, you know, flight suits for pregnant women, I disagree with him.
I think that, you know, a lot of these jobs, and this was explained to me by a lot of people, there's a lot of logistics, a lot of administrative work.
allen west
Hey look, I can't fly a fighter jet.
And there are female fighter pilots.
I can't fly a helicopter.
And there are a lot of female attack helicopter pilots.
I was just a dumb old paratrooper that jumped out of airplanes, and I was an artillery officer.
And what I am saying is that yes, there are positions and duties out there that people can serve in, but there are still standards that say your body and your physiology will only allow you to do X. And so if we want to start having women as Navy SEALs, If we want to have women in the green beret, just pass the same doggone test that everybody else is.
Don't have what we have seen where all of a sudden there's an altering of rules, there's an adding of more chances and opportunities to get out there and try to accomplish something because a lot of guys don't get that.
tim pool
I want to give you my thoughts on the transgenders serving the military issue.
You know, you mentioned that the DSM-5, I think, says it's a mental condition, and that's actually been staunchly advocated for by many trans individuals because it grants them access to medication, but I digress.
I mean, you know, heart murmurs, sleep apnea.
say have diabetes.
The legitimate question is would that, would diabetes prohibit you from enlisting or serving?
allen west
Absolutely.
It would.
Epilepsy, all these things.
I mean, you know, heart murmurs, sleep apnea.
I had one of my captains in Iraq, you know, had...
tim pool
Could you run an administrative role?
allen west
Could you drive a vehicle?
Maybe.
But again, what are you doing?
You're creating two separate classes.
tim pool
Let's be fair, though.
The Navy SEALs are the best of the best of the best.
allen west
Yeah, but you cannot create two separate classes where we say, OK, you can go be in the Fat Boy unit.
tim pool
Yeah.
allen west
No, I'm serious.
You laugh, but let me tell you how brutal it is in the United States military, where the military I grew up in.
You the fat boy that falls out of a run?
Oh man, you're going to hear it.
tim pool
But you become the ripped boy soon, don't you?
allen west
You better.
tim pool
Yeah.
allen west
If you want to stay in.
tim pool
So what happened with the captain?
allen west
They'll throw you out.
tim pool
So if you enlist and you're overweight?
allen west
Well, if you enlist, you're going to have to meet height and weight standards before you can ship out to basic training.
And even when you go to basic training, you're still going to be monitored.
You still have to meet those height and weight standards.
Okay, and again, you know, on active duty, you got to continue to have your height and weight test and your body fat examination.
If you don't make it, then you go.
I don't care what level that you rise to.
Now what happened to the captain in Iraq?
I had to send him back home.
Out of the combat zone.
Sleep apnea.
And you don't know how hurtful it was for me as his battalion commander to look at this kid who had tears in his eyes Begging me not to send him back.
Begging me, telling me that he'll make it through even though he can't get sleep and everything.
But I was seeing... Was he overweight?
No, he wasn't overweight but he had sleep apnea and I was seeing how it was affecting his duties because he couldn't get sleep.
tim pool
Messy work.
allen west
And I couldn't have him go out there and the next thing you know, he's a detriment, not just to himself, but to someone else.
And I had to tell him, I got to send you back home.
tim pool
So you need the best of the best of the best, the cream of the crop, top of the top.
allen west
Well, I mean, you got, you got tip of the spear, you got seals, Delta Force or whatever.
And then you got, you know, your everyday soldier, sailor, airman, Marine, but you've got to still have maintained certain standards throughout that strata.
ian crossland
Did the captain get honorably discharged?
allen west
Of course he got honorably discharged.
ian crossland
But he didn't get moved to civilian or like a non-combat role, he was just actually discharged from the military?
allen west
Yeah, he ended up being discharged from the military because it wasn't treatable.
But he couldn't be in the combat zone.
And when you talk about what Tucker was bringing up about the pregnant soldiers, in 1995 when I was stationed in Korea, I was up on DMZ and it was called Area 1.
And in Area 1, before females got shipped up there, they had to take a pregnancy test.
Because why?
You could not be sent into Area 1 with a pregnancy test because we were the tip of the spear.
You were in a deployed zone.
Now, guess what will happen?
Sometimes, you know, little boy soldiers, little girl soldiers, they do little things, you know?
And the next thing you know, you get a pregnant female soldier.
But you know what the Army will not allow us to do?
We couldn't re-deploy that soldier back.
Even though, now that she's pregnant, she's non-deployable.
She cannot wear a gas mask, because that can affect her.
So she has to stay up in Area 1 for X amount of time, and then I think in the fifth or sixth month, then you could. What would the Chinese do in that situation?
The Chinese I don't think deal with that.
Do they even have female soldiers? I think they do have female soldiers but I don't think they're
tim pool
in their front line troops. Yeah I think they're much more bigoted I think the left would call
allen west
them. Well as a matter of fact I read an article recent where the Chinese were talking about they
need to have non-feminization training for males. Yeah.
Yeah, the masculinity training.
I mean, they are looking at what is happening in the West and they're saying, We don't want that.
tim pool
You know, the advantage they have over us is actually the biggest detriment that their people suffer is the
authoritarianism.
Absolutely.
It's an advantage for...
allen west
To a point.
tim pool
To a point, right.
I had a conversation with an anarchist friend of mine years ago where I said that it is much more efficient in many
ways, an authoritarian regime, because they snap their fingers and they impose their will where we deal with
bureaucracy.
Granted, it's a despicable way to live, full of atrocities.
allen west
But you know, and you and I were talking about this before we came on air, this is the downfall of an authoritarian regime.
It restrains and restricts creativity.
tim pool
Yep.
allen west
And we saw that, you know, that was one of the things about our military, as opposed to the Soviet model style, is that our young troops could make a decision.
Our young troops were trained.
When you think about, you know, all of the wars, you know, it's a sergeant here, it's a corporal there that is able to do something, whereby when you have that authoritative system, and that was the big problem we had in Afghanistan, in training their army, was that even if they were in a firefight with the Taliban, they wouldn't take an action.
I said, what are you doing?
Well, I have to wait for the call from my commander to do something.
unidentified
I was like, they're shooting at you, okay?
allen west
Take an action.
And that was something that they had to learn, but they grew up under that Soviet mentality.
tim pool
So, but that's happening now.
allen west
It is happening now.
So an authoritarian regime, like what you see taking place here,
where it's telling you what you can wear, what you can eat, what you can think, what you can drive.
It may, again, free does not equal freedom.
tim pool
I've hired people, and I'll tell you the story.
I'll give you the story from a buddy of mine.
He started a company.
He was doing social media management.
He made some posts on the internet looking for some people to help me run these social media websites for clients who must have a college degree.
Well, the people with college degrees have salary requirements, so he hired them.
He said that his phone would be ringing off the hook from people with problems.
Hey, I got a problem.
They posted this.
Hey, I got a problem.
The company wants this.
What do I do?
Eventually he said, if you can't do the job, then I need to find someone else.
So he fires him.
Puts another post up.
Needs somebody who knows social media can run marketing.
Must have a college degree.
What happens?
Same thing.
Phone call after phone call after phone call.
Well, now he's out of money.
He spent a bunch of money training these people.
He wasn't getting output.
So he just said, looking for people who know social media, 10 bucks an hour.
He gets a couple people who had moved from middle America to California to find their dream in acting.
And he says, here's the job.
Go for it.
Not a single phone call.
Now he's worried.
Uh-oh.
Something must be going wrong because they're not telling me anything.
He comes back.
Everything okay?
It's all good, boss.
And he was like, no problems, no problems.
Well, there was this one thing from one of these restaurants, but we took care of it.
And so what he said was, these young people that moved from the middle of the country to California of their own volition, with no college, with no education, took the initiative.
It wasn't the college degree.
It was that they knew, they were confident in themselves to figure out and solve this problem.
Whereas the people who went to college were the people who did what they were told by their parents.
And now they're, you know, 24 with no experience in the real world and they're panicking because they don't know how to solve these problems and they're asking you to solve it for them.
Why?
The kids who went to college would always go to their professor or their teacher and say, what do I do now?
Absolutely right.
But it's not even the college level.
allen west
It's happening down in high schools and middle schools, and this is one of the things I don't like about this standardized testing.
Because what standardized testing is doing is creating robotic thinking.
You know, we have to teach you to be able to pass a test.
We're not teaching you to have critical thinking skills, to be an independent thinker.
And then, of course, you need to go to college.
And if we make college free, then everyone goes to college.
And then what happens to the productivity of people?
That's exactly what happens.
One of the things that I would always talk about when I was in the military, I want a person, I want a soldier that's a fire-and-forget weapon system.
That's what you're talking about.
It's a fire-and-forget weapon system.
So it's the same as when you take that pistol or that rifle and you pull the trigger, as long as you have aimed it in the right place, the bullet's going to hit the target.
And so that's the type of people that we should be trying to develop are fire-and-forget weapon system individuals that understand critical thinking, that understand independent thought.
And we're rewarding them for being independent thinkers.
But what progressivism, socialism, statism, communism, Marxism, whatever you want to call it, What it is creating is a collective groupthink.
You know, when I came in here, you had Star Trek The Next Generation.
Love it.
Star Trek The Next Generation.
Remember the Borg?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
allen west
Okay, what was the Borg?
The Borg was a collective body.
No individuality whatsoever.
What did the Borg say?
Resistance is futile.
unidentified
You will What is it?
tim pool
Your technology and your culture will be assimilated.
Resistance is futile.
allen west
And that's exactly what we see happening, young people, is that you have this collective mentality and mindset that does not want you to be a fire-and-forget weapon system.
It wants you to be part of a council culture.
It wants you to be part of a social justice warrior clan or whatever.
You know, you've got to be able to go out and think and do and be able to survive on your own.
Instead of sitting around for the authoritarians to say that we're going to give you some free health care.
We're going to give you some free college education.
ian crossland
What's fire and forget?
That's like you shoot and you just accept it's done.
allen west
It's exactly what he said.
Hiring someone that you tell here's your task and purpose and they got it.
They don't come back and keep bugging you.
You ever read the same message to Garcia?
It's a little short pamphlet.
Read the little message to Garcia.
There was a gentleman in the military that was chosen to deliver a message to a Cuban fighter named Garcia.
Where's Garcia?
You just gotta find him.
What does Garcia look like?
You will figure it out.
And the guy took the message, and he found Garcia.
That's what we want.
tim pool
And you know what I've experienced when I hire, I've hired college grads?
I've been told, you have to tell me what to do.
No joke, no joke!
I hired someone once, and they were like, what do I, I hired them for a specific job, administrative role, and then I remember one day they came to me and said, I don't know how to do this, what am I supposed to do?
And I was like, if I knew how to do it, I would not have hired you to do it!
So listen, You've got all the time in the world, figure it out.
Reasonably, I expect you to figure it out quickly, but I understand this, like, you go to school for certain things, I understand you can learn.
This specific program was not something you learn in college, but you can spend the day figuring out the software.
They couldn't do it.
They just said, just tell me how to do it.
I don't know how to do it either.
allen west
And that's why, you know, back when I was growing up, the old folks down south, they used to say, that boy got a whole lot of book learning, but he ain't got no common sense.
And that's what they were talking about.
tim pool
The difference between knowledge and wisdom.
allen west
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And so if there is a threat that I see for us as a country is getting back to that sense of rugged individualism and getting back to that sense of I can and not sitting around and waiting for someone to tell me what you know what to do because that collective mentality will always destroy.
ian crossland
I feel like we need like an emergency to whip people into that frenzy of do it.
allen west
Well, that's why y'all are here.
That's why y'all are here.
That's what y'all are doing.
That's what y'all are professing.
That's why I was... Look, I am so humbled that you guys would, you know, ask me to come up... We're humbler than you can be.
unidentified
No, no.
allen west
Look, look.
This is awesome because, you know, again, this is that Logan's Run moment.
When you find the old guy out there in the sanctuary and you bring him back to the young city, and they impart all of this wisdom.
ian crossland
I want to start a new political movement.
Party, whatever.
I don't care about party politics, but I want to involve the brightest minds, do a popular win, like it's just a popularity contest at this point.
Make Tim president, I'll be the vice president.
Come help us, advise us.
I don't want to do it, but I feel like it has to happen.
allen west
You guys can make me Secretary of Defense.
ian crossland
Let's do it, yes!
I know some people we could bring on.
tim pool
I'm never going to be a president or a politician.
ian crossland
Maybe we don't need a president, it's just a better system.
allen west
But this is the movement that you all created, because you are a bright and shining light.
Like it says in the Bible, in Matthew chapter 5, you're the shining city that sits upon a hill.
You're that light that sits on the lamp stand that you cannot put a cover over.
And you guys have got to continue to get this message out here because that's my concern.
Remember what I said?
There was once upon a time when I could sit down with my parents and watch the Grammys.
I can't do that.
My daughters are 27 and 24.
There's no way I would have sat with my daughters.
tim pool
That would have been really awkward.
allen west
Totally awkward.
tim pool
Watching this performance from Cardi B. Totally awkward.
allen west
I can't sit down and watch some of these Super Bowl halftime shows.
I don't watch it with them.
tim pool
Yeah, I couldn't watch it alone.
The Grammys.
ian crossland
That was hard to watch.
tim pool
The Grammys is a really good, I mean, issue to bring up in that our culture is completely fragmented and divided.
You know, you're here saying, this is the message, we got the message out.
And I think about some of the things that we've talked about in terms of the armed forces and especially in terms of the transgender issue.
And I mean, those are extremely divisive topics where you even challenge some of these orthodoxies on the left and they get violent.
There are certain things, sure, where we've seen people on the right.
allen west
But you know why they get violent?
tim pool
No answer.
allen west
That's right.
ian crossland
Yeah.
allen west
A hit dog, my dad used to say, a hit dog will holler.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think it's the, when people can't find a logical course of action, they become angry.
ian crossland
Right.
But if you're giving it the spurs and it has a place to go, it's not gonna scream, it's just gonna go.
tim pool
But my concern is, when you look to the Grammys, when you look to the establishment, the major marketing companies, the social media companies, They're the Borg.
They're the ones who are saying, assimilate or else.
And many of these people that we used to see on YouTube, we did a members-only segment the other day about this, the anti-SJWs, we called them, some of them have just capitulated and given in.
And now they won't necessarily agree with everything from the woke establishment, but they're certainly no longer critical of the establishment.
They've like shifted gears.
And now they go for soft targets because they're scared.
They're scared the machine will come for them, will destroy them.
If we don't have people who are willing to stand up and be on the front line.
allen west
There are more of us than there are of them.
And I truly believe that.
And one thing that my mom taught me was that a man must stand for something or else he'll fall for anything.
And so to those people that are running away from their fundamental principles and values, You know, you can never acquiesce, compromise, appease, or negotiate enough with the far left, with the woke council culture.
There's nothing that you can give to them which will ever satiate their appetite for more control and more power.
So at some point in time, you're going to have to make a stand.
At some point in time, you're going to have to say enough.
I mean, Pepe Le Pew?
Speedy Gonzales?
ian crossland
Dr. Stephon Molyneux?
I don't get it.
No, no.
tim pool
Joe Biden is a bigger abuser than Pepe Le Pew was.
Like, you can see the videos of Joe Biden grabbing the women and sniffing them.
ian crossland
What's her name?
Tara Reid?
I mean, that's what's still on the table.
tim pool
And these stories were buried.
And Pepe Le Pew is the offensive thing.
But Cardi B is not.
Listen, listen.
Pepe Le Pew was prancing around saying, mon chéri, or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah, I learned a little French from Pepe Le Pew.
tim pool
No, no, but look, if you want to criticize old art or old cultural tropes, I got no problem with that.
There are a lot of things from the 20s we don't show these days, 30s, 40s, 50s.
That's fine by me.
But don't come out with this Cardi B stuff, which again, I also honestly don't care about.
I won't watch it.
You want to do that, you can do it.
I'll be somewhere else.
But listen, how are you going to show that and then claim Pepe Le Pew is the more, you know, the bad thing?
ian crossland
I don't know.
That's a good question.
allen west
Well, you know what I think is going to come from when you look at comedians out there like Jerry Seinfeld and others that are saying that this has gone too far.
I mean, Mel Brooks and the movie Blazing Saddles.
You can show Blazing Saddles.
ian crossland
That was the first R-rated movie I was allowed to watch.
I wasn't allowed to watch any.
But my dad let me watch that one because it was so good.
allen west
It was just hilarious.
tim pool
What a good... I mean, how long until Quentin Tarantino gets banned?
I mean, come on.
That dude uses racial slurs every chance he gets.
It's in his movies, it's in art context.
allen west
Well, it depends on if he bows down to the gods of the left.
He hasn't.
ian crossland
I don't think he will.
tim pool
But maybe a lot of them do.
allen west
But think about it.
Sarah Silverman has come out and said this is too much.
Bill Maher has come out and you started listening to some of the things that he's saying.
tim pool
I like Bill Maher.
I think he's got Trump derangement syndrome and he's too wrapped up in... Let me stop there.
It's the blue pill and the red pill.
People think red pill means you're a Republican.
It doesn't.
It means you've recognized the narrative from the media is often complete BS.
Bill Maher still believes too much of it.
But it's like he's in that blue-pilled room looking out the window and kind of seeing the freedom and recognizing the problem, but he doesn't break through.
It takes him a long time.
allen west
And eventually he will come around because, again, there is no Trump boogeyman out there.
And the further and further they get away from the Trump boogeyman, all of a sudden they're going to reach out and see, this ain't working.
tim pool
Well, they're trying to do Tucker now.
Brian Stelter.
He's like, Tucker is the new Trump.
Yeah, yeah.
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We got this from the Civic Nationalist.
He says, to Lieutenant Colonel Allen, thank you for your service to your country and continuing to serve your country.
From 2ParaPTE to the Yanks, your enemy of your country is never going to stop.
What are you going to do to stop it?
allen west
Well, you know, without a doubt, we're going to continue to fight them on this ideological battlefield.
And I think that being on a show like this and bringing out these thoughts, perspectives and insights, everything that I have in my head, imparting that wisdom so that you can empower people to be able to fight in their own respective spaces and in their communities and what have you.
So that's it.
It's all about leading by example.
And I think if folks can see the courage that I display to stand up to the left, then they will be inspired to be courageous as well.
tim pool
We have one.
It's just a general compliment.
Raymond Field says, you made my night by having one of my favorite people on.
I love Alan West.
allen west
Thank you very much.
tim pool
There you go.
And then we have Tyler Bachman.
Thank you, Tim Castellaw crew.
Your show helped keep my mind off of a recent breakup.
This is my new favorite podcast.
Well, if you really do like it, smash the like button, share it, all that good stuff.
Really appreciate it.
Keegan Devlin says, thank you for this guest.
After last night's show, this is the hero we need.
Look man, I genuinely respect Rukka for coming on because, for those that don't know, a lot of people weren't thrilled with that show, didn't like it, didn't want to hear what he had to say, but we have to have hard conversations.
A lot of people really like you, Alan West, and your ideas and opinions.
So they definitely are here for it, but I think it's very important to listen to people you don't like, and I do it often.
I pull up progressives and people I disagree with.
I follow them on Twitter.
I try to make sure I understand what they're thinking, because sometimes they have good ideas, and it's important to find that commonality if we're going to build a better future as Americans.
It's also important to understand where we disagree so I understand their arguments accurately.
I think a lot of people on the right like me because I'm trying to be honest and honestly represent people of all different stripes.
And that means I follow a bunch of progressives, I follow a bunch of conservatives, and I think we gotta have those conversations.
allen west
Well, I will tell folks, if I could recommend several books to read, you've gotta read Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.
tim pool
Definitely.
allen west
You have got to read Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto.
You've got to read Frederick Basiat's The Law.
And you've got to read Alexis de Tocqueville's Democracy in America.
So I would say read those four books because you've got to understand who you are, what you believe in.
You've got to understand the other side, who they are and what they believe in.
tim pool
That's right.
Joshua Brewer says, could you ask Colonel West in what era he thinks the Democrats were the worst?
Civil War, New Deal, Jim Crow and segregation, or this new form of destruction, which is all three
allen west
of the others combined? I think it's the new era that has started since Lyndon Baines Johnson and
the Great Society programs. Because what you have seen happen when even though I was born in a
blacks only hospital, almost 77% of black kids had mommy and daddy in the home.
Today it's only 24%.
So I think that this modern, post-modern liberalism, progressivism, socialism of the Democrat Party is four words.
ian crossland
Is it accurate to refer to you as Colonel or Lieutenant Colonel West?
allen west
You can call me Colonel as long as there's not a full Colonel around, they'll take offense to that.
You can just call me Colonel.
tim pool
Chairman?
Does that sound weird?
allen west
Or Chairman?
I'm not.
Servant is the best one.
Husband is the best one.
Father is the best one.
And Grandpa, come may.
ian crossland
Oh, congratulations!
tim pool
Erica Baum with just a, wow, this is a really amazing compliment.
Tim, you filled Rogan's YouTube void.
This guest is legit, and I'm so happy to see Mr. West here right now.
Clap, clap, much respect.
allen west
Thank you.
tim pool
I mean, people really love Alan West.
allen west
Wow.
tim pool
Holy S, it's Colonel West.
God bless you, sir.
Been on the fence with enlisting in the National Guard as E4 with my degree.
However, now Biden.
Thoughts, advice?
allen west
Well, it depends on what state that you're in because first and foremost you're going to be serving that state.
And so, you know, regardless of who's in the White House, serving your country is a great thing.
You know, when I was in the military, I did eight years under Bill Clinton.
Was it easy?
Absolutely not!
But I was still serving my country and that's the most important thing.
And the great thing about our men and women that serve They don't take an oath to a political party.
They don't take an oath to a person.
They took an oath to the Constitution of the United States of America.
And on 31 July 1982, I said, I, Allen Bernard West, will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely, without any purpose of evasion or mental reservation, so help me God.
The great thing about that oath, my dad took that oath.
As a soldier in World War II.
My older brother took that oath as a Marine who served in Vietnam.
I took that oath and my nephew took that oath and now he's a lieutenant colonel in the United States Army.
So there's nothing greater than saying those words and meaning it and serving this great nation.
tim pool
And that's what I fear because even police have a similar oath to defend the Constitution.
Too many people don't really mean it.
That worries me.
allen west
If we ever get to the point as a nation where we're not raising up the next generation of men and women who sincerely want to serve this country, who sincerely, as Abraham Lincoln said, not too far away from here at Gettysburg, are willing to make the last full measure of devotion so that we can give them the increased amount of devotion.
If we ever get to the point where we're not raising that next generation, then I'm worried about America.
But I still see the young man such as that one right there.
ian crossland
What do you think about the Grand Commander, Supreme Commander, Commander-in-Chief being left up to a popularity contest?
allen west
I am very concerned because once upon a time, you could not be the President of the United States of America if you had not said those words that I said and served in uniform.
As a matter of fact, back in the mid to late 1970s, I think it was close to 80%, 75-80% of the people that serve in the House and Senate has served in the uniform.
Now that number's like 18%.
Wow.
And if you think that there's a difference, there is a difference.
Because there's something about willing to lay your life down for something and then you get the opportunity, like I did, to go and serve the country and still defend and honor that oath, but you do it in a suit and tie.
You do it in one of those institutions that you swore to defend.
We got to get back to that.
We got to get back to citizen legislatures and servants.
tim pool
Have you ever watched or read Starship Troopers?
allen west
Of course!
Casper Van Dien.
tim pool
There you go.
Service guarantees citizenship.
allen west
Service guarantees citizenship.
tim pool
It's interesting that they call that idea fascistic.
This idea that you would earn your right to vote and participate in civics by agreeing to serve your society, I don't think is fascistic at all.
allen west
I don't think it's fascistic at all, and I don't think it's a far-fetched theme.
I think that when you look at, really, you want to talk about the 1%ers?
It's the people that have served this country in uniform.
Less than 1%, I think it's like maybe .6%, have done a full 20-year career to the United States of America that are alive today.
That's your real one percenters.
And I would just challenge any young man or young woman to be a part of that real elite group of people.
tim pool
I just see these powerful interests manipulating those good people.
You know, I have, like I mentioned, I lived just off of Fort Eustis.
I had a lot of friends who, you know, my brother obviously, and my sister married in.
I was in Fort Carson.
I met a lot of really awesome people, brave people.
I've met a lot of humble people, you know, particularly in Newport News who tell me they don't consider it like, you know, a lot of people like you're a hero for serving and they're like, oh, come on, you know, it's a job.
I'm right.
I understand.
But they're humble.
They're regular people and they are willing to take greater risks.
And, you know, especially those who fight in combat.
But then I see this big machine, this political elite machine of people who are millionaires, who don't serve, who don't care, and they manipulate the good men and women in uniform for personal gain.
allen west
And that's the thing, Ian, is that if we want to see a difference in our country, there has to be a difference in us, as the voting electorate, so that we don't see it as a popularity contest.
We're looking for servants.
We're looking for leaders.
We're looking for the person that we believe would lay down their life for this country.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
We got, um... Urban Lagoon says, Hey Tim, been a fan since forever.
Love Allen West.
Also, I served four years in the Army.
Also from Northeast Ohio, Ian.
Rust Belt flyovers for the win.
Can I get a shoutout for my first skate edit, Bad Hair Days, and that's D-A-Z-E, on my channel?
You got it, buddy.
All right, we got this.
Joe A says, I wonder how Colonel West views the purge of radicals in the military that was initiated by Pelosi.
allen west
That is horrible.
I am so concerned.
I am so concerned about this because we are instituting the policy of political officers in our military.
We're putting commissars in our military.
And so when we start to have people that are talking about purging and looking through social media accounts of men and women in uniform, but only for conservative sites.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
That's cancel culture.
allen west
You're politicizing our military.
And that is a very dangerous path to go down, because our military serves our Constitution.
They serve this country.
They don't serve a political party.
And I don't want to see us to have some type of Soviet-style military.
tim pool
Well, that's what I worry about.
allen west
That's what they're trying to implement.
tim pool
In some of these stories, they said that people who had posted images of the Gadsden flag on Facebook were getting pulled from D.C.
allen west
There is a chaplain At Fort Hood, Texas, who on his own personal Facebook account posted that he did not agree with the gender dysphoria, transgenders, you know, openly serving in the military.
He was brought up in an investigation.
Wow.
On his own personal.
Now, he's a chaplain.
Now, that's his freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and what have you.
And now they're investigating the chaplain?
So I'm very concerned about the politicization of our military.
tim pool
I think they want to create a monoculture.
allen west
Of course they do.
tim pool
They want to get rid of anyone who challenges their orthodoxy.
allen west
It's the Borg.
tim pool
Right.
allen west
Resistance is futile.
That's what they want you to believe, that resistance is futile and you will assimilate.
But we don't have to.
tim pool
So long as we keep having these conversations.
allen west
And we will.
tim pool
We got a chat here from Christopher McHatton.
He says, Texas resident and conservative.
Thank you, Lieutenant Colonel West, for your service to the country.
How can I get involved in state politics, particularly ousting Clay Jenkins from his Dallas County judge position?
allen west
Hey, I'm all about that because I live in Dallas County too.
tim pool
He says, I want to get involved in the campaign against him, but don't know how.
allen west
Okay, I will tell you to please go to the Republican Party of Texas website and one of the things you can immediately do is to go to the drop-down tab for legislative priorities and start getting involved in our legislative priorities but also the Dallas County Republican Party.
Let's start looking at our local level elections that will happen on May the 1st.
City Council, School Board, County Clerk, County Commission, those are very important.
Clay Jenkins is not up in this election cycle but in two years he will be and we need to get rid of Clay Jenkins.
You want to talk about a despotic Ruler in Dallas County, Clay Jenkins is an example.
tim pool
Alexander Olsen says, I propose the new name for SJW, social justice or cancel culture, be hate machine cult culture cultist.
All it does is deconstruct, demoralize and demonize and destroy.
The result is division, deprivation, despair and death.
Down with the hate machine cult.
unidentified
I agree.
allen west
I do.
tim pool
I'm all about individual freedoms, liberty, respect, and that includes people of all different backgrounds.
I think people deserve equality under the law, but I just think it's the authoritarianism.
Like, I like a lot of true social justice only need be called justice.
allen west
Just justice.
You don't have to qualify justice.
unidentified
Right.
allen west
And just make sure that it is equally administered all across the board.
tim pool
They say climate justice, social justice, housing justice, and really it's just a manipulation to make you think you're fighting the good fight.
allen west
The economic crisis of 2008 came because of housing justice.
When Jimmy Carter in 1978 created the Commercial Reinvestment Act, which basically said everyone has a right to own a home and government got involved in the private mortgage industry, 30 years later you had that economic meltdown.
Subprime mortgages, all of that stuff.
tim pool
In reference to the gun conversation, Nick Sheamus says, make NICs available to the public.
That's the NICS background check.
Does that make sense to you?
What do you think?
People could use it and then if they want to do a private transfer, they could access it?
allen west
As long as there's some second check.
you know just the same as when you go to buy a a firearm there's always a second
check of that forty four seventy three
and one of the problems that i think we have out there is uh... a lack of of review of of that next system
the uh... the shooter down in southerland springs texas who went in
and shot the church up there first baptist southern springs he should not have been able to purchase a firearm
He was a felon.
He was disarmingly discharged from the United States Air Force.
But yet he did not properly answer on his 4473 and was not caught.
And he was able to purchase a weapon.
So it is not us, the legal law-abiding citizens, it's the system out there that we have in place that needs to be corrected and fixed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
G Perez says, don't always agree but great show.
To Lieutenant Colonel West, retired Deep Strike and ABN troop here, God bless.
allen west
Oh man, Deep Strike.
tim pool
What do you think about the loss of Judeo-Christian ideals in the US?
allen west
I think that this is a very big concern.
That's why H.R.
5 is very threatening to that very first liberty that you have.
There's a reason why the Founding Fathers put the freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof as your very first right in your Bill of Rights, because they saw what happened in England when the head of state made himself the head of religion, head of church.
And that's what Thomas Jefferson talked about in that letter to the Danbury Baptist Convention about separation of church and state.
It was not to have so much of that authoritarian power concentrated in one person that said that here are the laws and here is religion as well.
He wanted to make sure that they stay separated.
So it is so important that the religion of the left does not supersede our Judeo-Christian faith heritage.
tim pool
You know, I grew up Catholic for a few years and then we went to public school, kind of lost a lot of that.
I knew enough that when I looked up things like Blackstone's formulation, I understood the root being the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and if there's but one righteous person.
It's interesting to me because we talked about this, I think it was with, who did we talk about this?
It was one of our Catholic guests.
lydia smith
Seamus?
tim pool
No, it might have been Seamus.
lydia smith
Or Drew.
tim pool
It may have been both actually.
This idea that even though many liberals don't understand this, like I'm talking about 90s and 2000s liberals, They like to say, like, Bill Maher's a good example.
Like, religion doesn't make me a moral person.
But he was raised in a society that has for a long time held Judeo-Christian values.
And while I think it's fair to say you might be secularist, you may be atheist, I think it's important to realize that people, they often don't understand this.
I know this because I've actually looked into what are one of the ideals that we hold as a liberal society?
Blackstone's formulation, innocent until proven guilty, the right to a trial by jury of your peers, things like that.
It is rooted very much so in these values.
allen west
Ten Commandments.
tim pool
What we've basically done.
We've come from an age where we had a bunch of bad ideas, but some good ideas.
We kept those good ideas, got rid of some of those bad ideas.
And every generation we've been keeping the good ideas.
Now it feels like we're entering this period where we're starting to build up bad ideas and get rid of the good ideas.
allen west
And that to me is worrying.
And it even talks about that in the Bible, when you will call bad, good, and you will call good, bad.
And I think that we're entering into that phase.
And, you know, when you hear people say that there's no objective truth, I kind of disagree with you.
I mean, two plus two does equal four.
tim pool
Well, they're saying it's five now.
You saw that, right?
allen west
And math is not racist.
tim pool
You've seen them say two.
allen west
Oh, I know, I know.
tim pool
That's the most insane thing.
allen west
But I don't want that person to build a bridge.
tim pool
What they're doing is they've actually argued 2 plus 2 sometimes equals 5, and then they add a bunch of qualifiers that aren't a part of the equation.
allen west
Well, that's common core math.
tim pool
Well, so one of the things they've said is, what if it's 2.9 plus 2.9?
It's like, well, then that's a different equation.
allen west
That's 5.8.
tim pool
Exactly.
allen west
And you can round it up to six.
I mean, if you want a whole number.
tim pool
They're trying to argue that there could be hidden decimals and that if you're thinking critically, the answer could be different.
But the problem is you're giving a straightforward, you know, I would tell this to people.
Look, there's a window in front of me.
What happens if I take this rock and I throw it at the window?
allen west
Window's gonna break.
tim pool
Very likely the window's gonna break.
We can recognize maybe sometimes it doesn't, but come on.
You throw a rock at a window, window breaks.
allen west
Maybe it's bulletproof, I don't know.
Again, that comes back to what the old folks used to say down south.
That boy got a lot of book learned, he ain't got no common sense.
ian crossland
I make the argument that one plus one equals two, but in base two mathematics and binary, one plus one equals one zero, because there's only two decimals.
There's a zero and a one in binary.
And that's fine.
tim pool
You would basically say one plus one in binary and then ask them for the answer.
ian crossland
Well, if you don't, if you just ask the question, what's one plus one, and you don't tell them what base math they're in, it could be one zero.
It could be two, but it's the same quantity.
They're looking at it in a different way.
tim pool
The issue is they're literally arguing that you have two apples and two apples, you put them together, and all of a sudden an apple appears out of nowhere.
ian crossland
That argument's nonsense.
tim pool
They're arguing that language defines our ideas, and they're trying to deconstruct math.
ian crossland
That's true, though.
Well, the language does define our ideas, because if you and I are looking at a six from here, I'm gonna say it's a nine, you're gonna say it's a six.
Right, right.
tim pool
But the idea is, we can call it one, or we can call it blorb.
It represents the same value.
Simply because language may be different doesn't change the fact that there's a certain value.
And they're trying to argue that there could be hidden values and equations that aren't a part of the equation.
But I don't want to rehash the 2 plus 2 is 5.
allen west
There are four people in this room.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
tim pool
There are four lights.
You know that reference, yeah?
There are four lights.
Next generation.
Picard was captured by the Cardassians and they were torturing him.
allen west
Demanding.
ian crossland
He's a Trekkie.
allen west
He's all the way.
tim pool
So they were demanding.
He's torturing him.
There are four lights.
And he goes, how many lights are there?
And he says, there are four.
No, there are five.
And Picard refuses to say.
He's like, there are four lights!
lydia smith
It's like 1984.
tim pool
Yeah, they were trying to force him to do it.
allen west
And we live in 1984.
Definitely.
tim pool
All right, we got Student of History says, with all due respect to both of you sizing each other up on 2A, I must ask where do y'all stand scale from 1 to Abrams MBT?
Me personally, I read the shall not be infringed part of part and go, yep, seems legit.
Although I also recognize the well-regulated militia.
allen west
I cannot fit an Abrams battle tank in my garage.
I would love to, but I cannot fit it.
And plus, it's a crew serve, and right now, I have an empty nest, so it's only my wife and myself, and I don't think she could drive it, and she definitely couldn't be the gunner.
tim pool
Can you legally own it?
allen west
No.
tim pool
You don't think so?
allen west
No, I don't think so.
Now, if you're a museum, and if you have something, now, yes, you could purchase something like a tank or what have you.
And then there's some still restrictions on what you could do.
Because there's some people here locally, I know, that have a museum that have M60 tanks.
tim pool
There's a guy who drives around not too far from here with a World War II Jeep with a full-auto 50 BMG.
on it, and he doesn't keep it armed, doesn't keep ammo with him or anything, but he lets people come up and check it out and stuff like that.
allen west
And I'm sure he's got a special permit for it.
tim pool
There's an interesting argument here in that during the revolutionary era when they were coming up with these ideas, people owned private warships.
Yeah, privateers.
Exactly, exactly.
So, I mean, they understood that concept.
People had these things.
What's the difference today?
allen west
Well, uh, I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know if we, you know, you can legally own a tank.
allen west
I'm trying to think, you know, can, can a person, you know, have a little patrol boat?
I guess they probably could.
tim pool
You can legally own a tank.
My understanding is you just can't have an operational artillery, but you can have guns mounted on it and things like that.
And they're.
allen west
Yeah, you can't go and load it up with any sabot rounds.
You can't have a 120mm sabot round.
But yeah, I know.
Let me tell you, 30 years ago, 30 years ago right now, Operation Desert Shield, Desert Storm, and let me tell you something, there is nothing prettier than seeing an M1A1 Abrams battle tank take out a T-72 at like a mile away.
I mean, it is just a beautiful sight.
ian crossland
That's physics, man.
Isaac Newton made the British Empire take over the world because of physics.
tim pool
People absolutely love you, man.
The Hurricane says, possibly the best episode ever.
And yes, I'm considering Alex and Michael in this decision.
Oh, Michael.
Uh-oh, he's going to be upset now.
No, probably not.
And then Joey Ward says, Tim, best interview I've ever seen.
And I listen every day.
Well, you know, we were graced with the presence of Alan Westman.
allen west
It's an honor to be here.
tim pool
I mean, we're grateful that you're here as well.
All right, here we go.
DJ Madero says to Lieutenant Colonel West from Bend, Oregon, quote, There are two sides to every issue.
One side is right and the other side is wrong.
But the middle is always evil.
Ayn Rand, quote, P.S.
Navy veteran.
My grandfather was a U.S.
Marine on Wake Island in World War Two.
The world wonders.
allen west
Well, you know, one of the things, and it's funny, I mean, Lydia and I were discussing this.
In the Bible, in Revelation, it says you eat the hot or your cold.
If you're lukewarm, I'll spew you from my mouth.
But also, my dad taught me this.
My dad was such an insightful man.
He said, son, the only thing in the middle of the road is roadkill.
tim pool
And that's why we're talking to me right now.
Cause I'm the guy on the fence.
They always complain about you.
allen west
You're going to be roadkill.
tim pool
Maybe make a decision, but I think a lot of people want to call.
Well, I'll tell you this though.
A lot of people are like Tim's on the fence.
And the reality is I'm not really on the fence on the issues of freedom, liberty, and if you tell me you're a constitutionalist, you're not in the middle of the road.
Right.
There are certain issues I am definitely in the middle of, you know what I mean?
They call me the milquetoast fence-sitter as a joke.
But I think that's more to do with, often I'm trying to explore ideas and not push my own on other people.
allen west
And I respect you so much for that.
And that's one of the things that, you know, I like to come on the shows where we can have that intellectual discourse and exchange.
Because, again, you know, you only get stronger if you swim against the current.
tim pool
Right.
Otherwise, you're just loafing on an inner tube going down straight.
allen west
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it's easy to go scuba dive.
It's easy to go scuba dive and do drift diving.
You don't have to kick.
You don't have to do anything.
Just carry on.
tim pool
It's fun, though, right?
allen west
It's fun.
Because you don't have to exert any energy, but you don't get any stronger.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
We got LKA Zawarudo says, Alan, I am a native Texan, millennial conservative woman and attorney.
How can I get more involved in public policy in Texas and help keep our state from going insane?
If I was in the military, I would not want a job I'm not physically ready for.
allen west
Well, once again, you have some great organizations there.
You've got Texas Public Policy Foundation, a conservative, you know, center-right group.
And again, follow us at the Republican Party of Texas.
Go to our legislative priorities because we are in our 87th legislative session, which will end at the end of May.
And drop down the digital playbook that we have created for our eight priorities and look and see how you can contact your state house member, state senator, and get engaged in that process.
And, you know, I always tell young millennials in Texas that William Barrett Travis, the man who commanded the Alamo for 13 days, was only 26 years of age.
tim pool
Yeah.
People don't realize, you know, Thomas Jefferson, wasn't he like 26 or whatever?
allen west
Young man.
tim pool
Wrote the Declaration of Independence.
allen west
Incredible.
Yeah.
That's what this show is doing.
This show is making sure that we have that next generation of Travises and Jeffersons and others.
tim pool
And I'm gonna restate what I said like the other day, but we gotta have that generation of people who are willing to get on a boat for three months, sailing, you know, with the wind, then crashing on the shore of some foreign land just with nothing but trees, and then saying, gotta get started and just build from nothing.
allen west
Yeah.
You better figure it out.
Sink or swim, buddy.
Also to write a constitution.
If it's wrong, it's wrong.
and say, what do I do?
Who's going to feed me?
tim pool
You better figure it out.
Seek or swim, buddy.
allen west
That's America.
That's rugged individualism.
ian crossland
Also, to write a constitution.
If it's wrong, it's wrong.
allen west
But think about it.
That's it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
allen west
That's the Declaration and the Constitution.
ian crossland
There's this thing called the Manila Principles.
Have you heard of them?
It's a digital constitution for the internet age.
It's just six parts of like, you know, shall not be infringed and things.
And I don't know.
I'm off the top of my head.
I probably should.
Things like that.
Because we need to add to this document for this digital age.
tim pool
People need to realize how brilliant the structure of government in the United States was.
Like, I thought, I remember when I was a kid and I was learning about the branches of government and I'm like, so they didn't just want a monarchy and executive.
They said, no, we can't do that because here's what the problem with the executive monarchy, you know, autocracy is.
Okay.
Well, what about like direct representation?
Ah, no, it's too slow.
It can't.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, what about like a council of elders of learned?
No, because then they, how about all three of them?
They all challenge and check each other.
allen west
Checks and balances, separation of powers, coequal branches.
So they took Montesquieu's Spirit of the Laws, they read it, they studied it, they understood it, and they perfected it.
But guess what?
We don't teach Spirit of the Laws in schools.
ian crossland
What's that?
allen west
Montesquieu.
That's how we came up with the three branches of government.
Charles Montesquieu.
tim pool
That's brilliant.
ian crossland
Have you heard of the National Initiative?
Mike Gravel was pushing it.
allen west
Okay.
ian crossland
A senator from Alaska.
allen west
Okay.
ian crossland
And it proposes a fourth branch of government that would be each state would elect someone to represent them.
And these 50 people could come together and write laws and pass them into Congress to the Senate.
tim pool
But that's the Senate.
allen west
But we already have this.
ian crossland
Well, we have one.
It's the representatives, but they're essentially a monopoly on lawmaking.
So it would would give people also another opportunity. But you still
allen west
already have it. You know what you have it?
In the article 5 convention of states. That's right. I'm telling you these guys sat down and
they thought of every single thing. And so it is not just we have representation based upon
population. We have equal representation based upon a state.
So you have that with the Senate.
But then also the states have the ability to have impact upon the Constitution by way of Article 5.
So it's there.
ian crossland
Let's build a website where we could get all these legislations to come together seamlessly like a social network for state legislations.
allen west
For state legislation or U.S.
legislation?
I think for state legislation so that we could call a constitutional That might be difficult because you got 50 different states, but I think that each and every show that you all have, you should do just a quick little 10-minute review of some piece of legislation that has come out of Washington, D.C.
unidentified
H.R.
1, H.R.
allen west
5, H.R.
8, H.R.
127, H.R.
130, whatever.
Just pick one and just kind of have a little tutorial and how it would affect the states.
ian crossland
Yeah, we do.
tim pool
All right, Crackbot says, Tim, I've spent over 10 years deploying in and out of it out of Afghanistan in the
military Especially in combat environment even REMFs were being
engaged in fighting We had nurses having to pick up rifles and fight you can't
lower the standards. Everyone is there to fight and
allen west
RIMF stands for rear echelon mofos Okay, that's what it means.
And you're right.
What Afghanistan and Iraq, what they are, that's asymmetrical warfare.
There is no front line.
And, you know, then the rear area.
I mean, the enemy attacks you everywhere.
And so every single person, because you were saying, well, can we just take them out and put them in some different position?
Every single person has to be ready to fight.
That's one thing that I truly love about the Marine Corps because the Marine will tell you that every Marine is a rifleman.
That's the mentality first.
I don't care if you're special, there's a lawyer, you're a rifleman.
tim pool
Alright, we got one that is an important question from Dustin Wood.
He says, Tim, always admired Colonel West.
I'm a member of the Log Cabin Republicans of Texas.
We were denied being admitted as a member of the Texas GOP last year.
Can Colonel West say why he doesn't support gay conservative groups joining?
allen west
I didn't say that I don't support gay conservative groups, John, and that happened before I came on as the as the chairman.
I came on as the chairman of July 2020.
I think the issue is that we have platforms that talk about traditional marriage, and we want to make sure that any group associated with the Republican Party of Texas supports the platforms of the Republican Party of Texas.
Because if you don't support the platforms, then you're undermining what the Republican Party of Texas stands for.
All right.
tim pool
Diego Rivera says, The Texas State GOP party platform stars that a declaration of war from Congress is required before Texas National Guardsmen can be deployed to overseas combat.
I agree, and 31 states have introduced defend-the-guard legislation.
Chairman West, do you agree?
allen west
I agree that we have to defend our guard and one of the things, that's Title 10 if I'm correct, when you activate the guard to go and serve in active duty.
As a matter of fact, you had a lot of guardsmen that were serving in Operation Desert Shield, Desert Storm.
Now what I'm concerned about is the abuse of our guard and what we see happening in Washington D.C.
right now.
The fact that we cannot put a border on our southern border with Mexico, but yet we have fence and razor wire around the United States Capitol and the National Guard patrolling and standing and manning that, as well as making them sleep in, you know, parking garages and eat, you know, uncooked food and things of this nature.
So I am really concerned about the abuse of our National Guard by this Biden administration.
tim pool
Yeah, me too, man.
All right, this one's gonna be hard for me, but I'll try my best.
Vince R says, former 13B here.
allen west
13 Bravo, that's artilleryman.
tim pool
Would like to know if Colonel West and I may have crossed paths.
It says A3-11FA, Lewis 87-89, Go Devils Brigade 77FA, CA Knox 89-91, A15FA, KC 91-92, and HSB 320FA Campbell 92-94.
Brigade 77 FA CA Knox 89 91 a 15 FA KC 9192 and HSB 320 FA Campbell 9294.
allen west
Boy, he put a lot of you know different duty assignments out there.
Let me just try to encapsulate it.
My first duty station was 1984 to 1987 in Vicenza, Italy with the Airborne Battalion there.
I came back, went to Fort Sill for Advanced Artillery School.
Then I served in the 1st Infantry Division at Fort Raleigh from 88 to 91.
Got back from Desert Shield, Desert Storm.
Met my wife, married her.
She was a professor at Kansas State University, taught Army ROTC.
tim pool
Dang.
allen west
Hopefully that answered the question.
91 to 95 went to Korea, 2nd Infantry Division, 95, 96, 97, the Army Command and General Staff
College, 97 to 99, Fort Bragg, North Carolina, 99 to 2002, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Force,
2002 to 2004, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Hood, Texas.
lydia smith
Dang.
tim pool
Hopefully that answered the question.
allen west
So you gotta triangulate and figure out if we ever served together.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Leor Engelstein says, as an individual with an FFL-07 and an SOT-02, manufacturer of NFA items, my ATF agent's biggest complaint are NFA items.
They want to get rid of the category because it's too much of a headache for something that should be an NISCS check.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Johnny Smoke says, did you guy catch the video of Tim C from Rage Against the Machine?
His belief, the U.S.
is a military coup and Mark Milley and the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff hold a higher power than the president.
Is that?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I don't know anything about that.
allen west
No.
tim pool
That seems a bit, yeah, a bit out of there.
ian crossland
But if they did, would they admit it?
unidentified
No.
allen west
You're never going to have a military coup in the United States of America.
ian crossland
The United States is a military coup.
tim pool
Yeah, sure.
Wheels says, Colonel West for President.
1979 Army, 82 AB reporting for duty, sir.
allen west
Well, God bless you.
Army strong.
tim pool
PJ says, Lieutenant Colonel West, Desert Storm M1A1 tanker here.
You're welcome.
allen west
Thank you, man.
You guys on the way.
tim pool
Right on.
Jerome Morrow says, Dude, you better record the hell out of tonight's episode, because I want to re-listen to it.
Colonel West is talking about a lot of things I want to actively pursue.
Well, we do record it, and it'll be up on iTunes, Spotify, and all those other podcast platforms, as well as YouTube.
Plus, we're gonna put up segments from the show tomorrow, and we're gonna have a members-only exclusive segment coming up at TimCast.com about an hour from now or so.
So we'll just read a few more Super Chats, and we'll move on there.
Sonny James says, Colonel, I need your opinion.
Recently, Orthodox Jews protested a law that would remove their exemption from the draft in Israel.
Many Western countries doing this.
What's your opinion?
We are in the early InfoWars stage of World War III as a decorated military man.
allen west
Let me tell you, I know that that's one of the things I think the Hasidic and Haredi Jews over there don't have to serve, but who would not want to serve their country, especially in a country like Israel that's surrounded by enemies that want to destroy you?
One of the most emotional things I got to do on my trips to Israel was to go up to Masada.
And Masada was incredible because those Jewish rebels, instead of surrendering to the Romans and being taken captive and returned back to slavery, they took their lives.
unidentified
Wow.
allen west
What a powerful statement to say that we would rather live free or die.
tim pool
Rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
allen west
Absolutely.
And so I would say that to everyone that is there in Israel, when you look at what is happening in Iran, when you look at Syria, when you look at Lebanon, I would think that every single able-bodied person would want to be able to stand on the ramparts of freedom and honor the memory of the people of Masada.
Because that's what freedom really means.
tim pool
I think we need more courage from a lot of people.
allen west
We do.
We do.
And again, when you talked about the people that instead of continuing to fight against the social justice warriors, they want to acquiesce and appease it.
All you're doing is you're just surrendering.
You're going to be on your knees.
And you don't want to live that life.
I had a general by the name of Rick Lynch.
He was our assistant division commander when I was in the 4th Infantry Division.
And he said, life is all about how you live your dash.
And the thing that you have to come to understand is that when you pass away from this life, on your final resting spot, you've got a start date and you've got an end date.
And in between is a simple little line, a dash.
And everything about your life has to speak in that little thing called a dash.
And so I would just say, what do you want to be remembered as?
A person that got on their knees and surrendered?
Or a person that stood and fought?
tim pool
Right on.
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allen west
Well, I do.
You can follow us at the Republican Party of Texas.
You can follow the website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and everything.
And then also, my personal page, which is AllenWestTexas, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, the whole nine yards, Twitter.
So, again, it's just a pleasure and honor to be here with you all.
Thanks so much, Ian.
Thanks so much, Tim.
Thank you so much, Madam Producer, Lydia.
ian crossland
You guys can also follow me at IanCrossland.net for all your joy and love.
Alan, I love you, man.
Thanks for coming, dude.
allen west
You're too cool.
And you know what?
The funny thing was I walked in here in the beginning, he's like, uh, who are you?
lydia smith
Blake Slate.
ian crossland
Keep it pure.
allen west
I will.
ian crossland
That's the best, baby.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, but that was, that's kind of it.
Like, you know, he immediately had 5,000 questions for you.
And I was like, we got to save it.
Save it.
ian crossland
I want to know you, not your legacy.
You tell me.
allen west
Well, but my legacy is me.
It's what I leave.
tim pool
I'm a philosopher.
I think we're going to talk a lot about military stuff, too, in the next segment.
So don't forget we got Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
Also me in the corner.
And I want to thank Lieutenant Colonel West for joining us.
Fantastic conversation.
Really fun to drive with him.
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tim pool
We're gonna go talk about probably military stuff, conflict, over at TimCast.com, so sign up and we will see you all then.
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