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Timcast IRL - Capitol Officer Story Was FAKE NEWS, NYT Corrects Huge Bombshell w/ Will Chamberlain
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tim pool
you is one of the biggest stories coming out of the January 6th riots
The loss of life for Officer Sicknick.
It's a sad story and, you know, my respect and condolences to his family, but it looks like now the New York Times has essentially retracted the claims they made early on that this officer died due to essentially blunt force trauma to the head from a fire extinguisher.
Now, as soon as impeachment is over, they basically come out and retract it saying, actually, that didn't happen.
And the official reporting from local news is that, or I don't know which, I don't think it's the US DC local news.
I think it was out of Houston, but they reported the man died of an unrelated stroke.
This was the big story that violent and angry Trump supporters brutally and mercilessly beat this cop and ultimately killed him.
And it was one of the biggest arguments in the impeachment.
It just was not true.
So I can't say I'm surprised, but I do feel a little disappointed in myself because I believed it too.
I mean, we talked about it several times on this show and it was just a whole lot of BS.
So we'll talk basically about this, a little bit about impeachment, the doctoring of evidence in the impeachment trial, which I believe ultimately led to the whole thing just spiraling out of control and collapsing.
And we got some other news, too.
Biden has gone pretty hard in favor of gun control, which most of us already knew he was going to do, but he's made the official call.
And we do have HR 127 now preparing to enter committee, which is a pretty drastic gun control legislation.
So we'll talk about this and a bunch of other things.
We've got two guests tonight.
Joining us, of course, once again, is Will Chamberlain.
will chamberlain
Good to see you.
tim pool
So who are you?
What are you doing here?
will chamberlain
Well, I'm the co-publisher of Human Events, and I'm also senior counsel at the Internet Accountability Project, which fights against the abuses of big tech, as well as the Article 3 Project, which was dedicated to getting Trump's justices confirmed.
Now, I think we're a little more about opposing Biden's judges.
So that's sort of my general work.
tim pool
You're also fighting for social media access as a civil right?
will chamberlain
That's correct.
I mean, that's part of my work at Internet Accountability Project.
I mean, I've long said I think it should be conceptualized, the ability to use Facebook and Twitter as a civil right.
tim pool
Well, Parler's back, so that's more big news.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, good question about whether people will come back.
tim pool
I mean, well, I made two parlays, is that what it is?
Two parlays?
And then the site got hugged to death.
So I think they don't have the capacity they once did.
You know, back when they were on Amazon, they had all this capacity, and now everybody rushes back in when the news breaks, and then the site can't handle it.
will chamberlain
Right, exactly, which is why maybe Amazon shouldn't be able to do that.
tim pool
Yeah, I agree.
So we have another guest, but Will, why don't you introduce our other guest?
will chamberlain
Well, my lovely fiancee is joining us on the podcast, Jordan Lancaster, is a reporter at the Daily Caller, and much more savage than me on Twitter, I think.
unidentified
She's great.
tim pool
Do you want to just give us a brief intro?
What do you do?
unidentified
I'm a reporter at the Daily Caller.
I just pretty much write about everything, breaking news, politics.
Yeah, go on social media, tweet too much.
That's pretty much it.
tim pool
Simple enough.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And we also got Luke Rutkowski, as per usual.
luke rudkowski
Brutal on Twitter, by the way.
unidentified
Yes, I love it.
luke rudkowski
Congratulations.
Also, also, Tim, Tim, what does the government do once it disarms its citizenry?
tim pool
Gulags.
luke rudkowski
No.
Whatever they want.
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What?
What did you just say?
lydia smith
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tim pool
Floridian slip?
will chamberlain
It's like a mix of Freud and Foucault.
lydia smith
It's quite the fusion.
luke rudkowski
It's 5D, you know, trickery here.
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He made everybody remember his phrase.
You know, they used to do these advertisements back in the day that were almost like optical illusions.
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tim pool
Like the three legs?
That's what Luke's doing.
He's trying to manipulate.
luke rudkowski
Grab your attention now.
You're going to be talking about it.
tim pool
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
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But that being said, let's jump to the big news story.
It really breaks my heart.
The National Review reports.
The Times corrects the record on Officer Sicknick's death, sort of.
The gist of the story, the officer who lost his life, it was an unrelated stroke, they say.
A few days ago, the New York Times quietly, quietly updated its report, published over a month earlier, asserting that Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick had been killed by being struck with a fire extinguisher during the January 6th riot.
According to the update, quote, new information has emerged regarding the death of the Capitol
Police Officer Brian Sicknick that questions the initial cause of his death provided by
officials close to the Capitol Police. They say, as I detailed in a column last week,
what the Times calls new information actually began emerging the same day the paper filed
its January 8th report. More importantly, they initially said law enforcement sources.
Now they're saying officials close to the Capitol Police.
What is that?
Muriel Bowser, the D.C.
mayor?
Could it be like a homeless guy who's next to the police department?
That's one thing I always pointed out when they say close to.
What does that even mean?
Well, they say official, I suppose, so at least it's somebody who's working.
They say that report was, and still is, entitled, Capital Police Officer Dies from Injuries in Pro-Trump Rampage.
It was not the only such Times report from that day.
There was another, entitled, quote, He Dreamed of Being a Police Officer, Then Was Killed by a Pro-Trump Mob, in which the Times asserted, On Wednesday, pro-Trump supporters attacked the Citadel of Democracy, overpowered Mr. Sicknick, 42, and struck him in the head with a fire extinguisher, according to two law enforcement officials.
With a bloody gash in his head, Mr. Sicknick was rushed to the hospital and placed on life support.
He died on Thursday evening, but they mention KHOU reported he had died from a stroke.
The story made no mention of the officer being struck by a fire extinguisher.
It did claim, however, that the stroke occurred at the Capitol during the riots, and a caption under the officer's photograph stated that he died of injuries sustained during the riot at the Capitol.
Isn't it amazing how they do that?
Check this out.
We have the actual article from KHOU11.
unidentified
U.S.
tim pool
Capitol Police officer on life support dies after suffering stroke following riots, union chair said.
This is from January 8th.
How is- How is- How- How- I mean, I gotta be honest.
How did- How did I miss this?
I mean, this story's old.
Yeah, this was one of the big aspects of the whole impeachment process.
The officer who lost his life, they did this big event where they brought him into the Capitol building to lay him to rest.
Should we be surprised by this?
luke rudkowski
No, not at all.
I mean the New York Times went into detail.
They talked about a bloody head, blunt force trauma, critical condition, rushed to the hospital, and now we're finding out all of that?
What was that based on?
Absolutely nothing.
Where's the responsibility?
Where's the accountability?
YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, go after these people for knowingly spreading fake news.
If you're going to apply this against You know, the average Joe, your independent media, apply it to them.
Whenever there's anonymous sources, I always say there's always reason to be skeptical, and they use anonymous sources.
There was videos showing a fire extinguisher flying around, but imagine being a reporter at the New York Times, right?
And then just totally fabricating this story.
I mean, they're talking about their two sources.
Who are their sources?
You know, this should be revealed.
will chamberlain
They should burn them, right?
Like, their sources lied to them.
So either they're okay with that being lied to about what's effectively blood libel, right?
You're accusing a political movement of murder.
tim pool
Well, I have some break.
luke rudkowski
Or they did what the mainstream media usually does and they fabricate and make up sources that are not there at all.
So they do this a lot in the mainstream media.
So go ahead.
tim pool
I have breaking news.
It is now confirmed to me from a source close to Nancy Pelosi's office in San Francisco that she is in fact a fascist who is selling us out to massive corporations and she is personally taking bribes from others close to her office.
Now this source Close to her office.
There's a homeless guy in the alley, you know, behind her building.
And he seems to be a bit out of it, you know, I think he's not getting his proper medication.
You see the point I'm trying to make?
Yeah.
Clever word.
Obviously, I don't have any confirmation on Nancy Pelosi being corrupt or whatever.
Well, actually, I mean, just read the news and you might come to that conclusion.
The point I'm making is, this kind of stuff happens all the time.
And the New York Times lies all the time.
And I just, it's funny that this story came out a month and a half ago, and the New York Times is only just now updating it.
will chamberlain
And it's not even admitting fault.
It's just saying, well, there's other sources saying something different.
Like, you would think that you'd be able to confirm or deny this story about him being the victim of blunt force trauma.
That's either true or it's not.
And a month after his death, we would know the answer to that question.
tim pool
The crazy thing is that, I gotta be honest, I think a lot of us missed this.
I particularly missed it.
And it's because we don't read local news.
Local news is hurting really bad.
Their ad rates are drying up and people are sending their money to the New York Times.
So it really is true that we need good journalists to help us understand what's going on right now.
Well, just going on in general, and because local news is suffering, more and more people want the national story.
More and more people are attracted to the Orange Man bad narrative.
They ignore what's happening around them.
Then you have these smaller outlets who actually reach out to the union, find out what really happened, and how is it that we've now gone into an impeachment a month later with this narrative?
Like, when they laid Officer Sicknick to rest in the Capitol, it was well after it was reported he just died from a stroke.
lydia smith
So, remember when this first happened, and we were talking about it, and somebody in the chat was like, he's actually not dead yet.
We're like, he has already died.
tim pool
That's right.
lydia smith
Because that was what was first reported, was that he was gone, like, as soon as this happened.
And that, right from the get-go, it was inconsistent what they were talking about, whether he was actually gone or not, and they couldn't make up their minds.
tim pool
He was on life support.
lydia smith
Yeah.
will chamberlain
I mean, this is supposed to be the paper of record.
If the journalist isn't willing to burn their anonymous sources, the journalist should be fired.
Like, I mean, you're trying to... I don't know.
I mean, it's just... We shouldn't be surprised that the New York Times is Media Matters, but it still is.
It's still actually kind of infuriating that they can't even maintain the pretense.
luke rudkowski
Another thing we have to understand here, this was a very important emotional talking point.
We saw a lot of mainstream media figures and also politicians talk about the officer that was beat with a fire extinguisher over its head until he was dead.
That's the bigger question Americans should be asking themselves but they're not.
You know operation some people would would say to push the bigger point that look how horrible how evil these people
are when in reality?
They were they were caught with their pants down. They were lying about this from the very beginning and if they're
lying about this What else are they lying about? That's the bigger question
Americans should be asking themselves, but they're not they shouldn't be trusted and again
I point to again the big social tech media companies They want to combat fake news.
Fight it right now.
Prove them.
Give us an example of the mainstream media actually getting a taste of their own medicine.
tim pool
This is why it's so important that Parler is coming back.
Because Twitter suppresses news.
These big tech giants suppress news.
I mean, Twitter literally shut down the Hunter Biden story, and then they take down Parler with more fake news.
So the big claim when Parler got taken down was basically, That people were organizing on Parler for the Capitol riot.
And that was a lie.
So all of this information coming out is a lie.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, we're being... I mean, the good example there was Facebook was far more of the center of that sort of organizing for January 6th.
Something like, if you actually look at the criminal indictments, like 80% of them mention organizing on Facebook.
luke rudkowski
There was plans online to go after the Capitol.
There's groups, there's individuals publicly talking about this, and then the intelligence agencies, you know, oh, you know, we had no idea, we had no clue.
And then when it comes to the inauguration, Huge, massive security theater, huge National Guard on the trip because now there is a legitimate threat.
tim pool
Look, look, you gotta give them some credit.
They may have dropped the ball this time, but I mean, they've been particularly diligent in doing their jobs.
Like when the noose was found at the NASCAR garage, they were there.
They were on it.
Yes, absolutely.
Well, how many were there?
Over a dozen.
So, you know, when we need them most, they're there.
I mean, who really cared about the Capitol?
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
I mean, you know, we didn't meet him yet.
luke rudkowski
Well, there's other reports that I'm seeing that Trump actually requested troops on that day and he was denied.
I still haven't been able to independently verify that.
No, it's true.
tim pool
Yeah, so Mayor Muriel Bowser said she didn't want a massive police presence.
When they said they were going to bring in the National Guard, she said she didn't want them to be armed.
There were other individuals in, you know, D.C.
politics saying, like, oh no, you know.
And it may be that because of Black Lives Matter and the optics around the police coming and, you know, going after the protesters.
luke rudkowski
But they were guarding the White House, you know, pretty diligently.
I mean, there was fences around the White House weeks before January 6th.
So, you know, something, of course, a lot of people are asking a lot of questions, especially with some of the people that are arrested.
That had ties to the FBI.
Now, I don't want to get all conspiratorial because, again, we have no actual proof or evidence of this.
You have a lot of conjecture.
You have a lot of people, you know, connecting the dots on certain issues.
But I think it's fair to say that there definitely should be a lot more questions about this event.
tim pool
I think it's pretty demoralizing, man.
You know, I use the New York Times all the time, and I generally give them the benefit of the doubt that when they're reporting something, it's likely to be true.
Not massively likely, I'm not saying 99%, but at least, come on, 51%?
will chamberlain
There's just like a banal awfulness of our institutions right now.
I mean, you know, Rent said something about the banality of evil.
I wouldn't call them evil, but they're just awful.
They're like not... The banality of awfulness.
The banality of awfulness.
They're just so bad at doing, at performing their basic function.
tim pool
You know, I mean, they've been bad, though.
I want to sit here and play this whole, like, Barry Weiss angle.
You know, for those unfamiliar, she worked for the Times.
She wrote this big letter when she left saying it's, like, wokeness and critical theory and intolerance taking over.
But the reality is, the New York Times has been awful for a long time.
I mean, the Iraq War.
You know, weapons of mass destruction.
will chamberlain
It's gotten worse.
I mean, I think the example would be, like, they broke the Hillary Clinton email story.
four years ago.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
will chamberlain
Yeah, yeah.
It's good.
They published the Snowden articles when they came out during the Obama administration.
I think there's two dynamics.
One is Trump made them all deranged and they became partisan as opposed to just liberal
but trying to be objective.
And then I think the second thing is you see all these woke scandals in the New York Times
And I mean, they're so consumed by these internal HR dramas that they've lost their ability to perform their function of being journalists.
tim pool
Well, now they're constantly writing about themselves.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the crazy thing.
There's like another article that came out right now about the New York Times.
And I can't remember who, but one of these media reporters... Ben Smith.
will chamberlain
Ben Smith.
tim pool
Was it Ben?
Who was like, the New York Times has become like a reality show where they're just writing articles about their own staff members now.
But people are clicking it.
That's why they're doing it.
luke rudkowski
Well, I remember a few years ago hearing about their investigative unit just being totally gutted by new acquisitions to the company.
And that makes absolutely sense because if you don't have the budget to investigate stories or look into stories or research stories, Well, you just have to make them up just like they did in this instance, and I think it's very fair to say that.
I mean, you could say evil, you could say just total ignorance, you could just say total stupidity.
Whether it is or isn't, it's still absolutely wrong and bad, and it needs to be called out as much as it can so people realize that the New York Times is not the newspaper of record, it's the newspaper of whatever special interest or bozo behind it.
tim pool
No, no, no, it's the lowest common denominator of subscribers.
So they probably look at their subscriber base, the people who are paying, you know, digitally, and they're like, which one's gonna, you know, attract more people, or which one will be interesting to most of the people who watch, you know, who read our stuff.
And so, you know, I want to make sure that we don't become like the New York Times.
We here at Tim Castire, which is why we're very seriously looking into setting up a TV commercial for our pillow.
We're gonna make sure that we use our resources for important things.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
Like a burlap sack full of packing peanuts that we advertise on primetime cable.
Yes!
Just as sort of like a culture jam, you know, or whatever.
But I'm kidding, actually.
We are working towards hiring reporters.
And the idea would be... The New York Times is going backwards.
That's the way I view it.
They're supposed to be using, you know, all this stuff they report on, the funding they get from subscribers, should go towards Journalism that people probably don't want to hear or might not care about.
Instead, what they're doing is they're getting rid of the journalism that people probably don't care about but still needs to be reported and replacing it with internal drama and conflict.
What I want to do here is that we have, like, we're all sitting here complaining about the New York Times.
We don't even do hardcore investigative journalism.
So it's, like, easy for us to criticize.
Well, we're going in the right direction in that from a commentary podcast show, we're going to use funding towards actual journalism.
And that's kind of the idea.
I think they're doing the opposite.
But look, I'll give them some respect in that they do journalism.
Although I'm pretty concerned about whether I can trust it at this point.
And I think, you know, what we want to do is particularly different.
We'll have a brand that literally only does journalism.
So we're like, we'll create a website dedicated specifically to just reporting stuff.
And then we can keep the commentary off of that.
Otherwise, I don't know, man.
I think it's demoralizing.
will chamberlain
Yeah, it is.
You rely on there being some institutions that remain nonpartisan.
I think it's part of a bigger theme.
Think about the ACLU, for example.
Everybody was great with the ACLU when they would just always fight free speech cases.
You knew that it didn't matter if it was some communist or some terrible white nationalist, whatever it was, if they were having their free speech rights violated, the ACLU would go in and defend them because they were like, the principle matters more, it's about the right.
Now they don't do that.
Now they turn down far-right clients because they're uncomfortable with it.
luke rudkowski
Well, now they're talking about gender on Twitter.
will chamberlain
Right.
And I mean, I remember I went to an ACLU event, you know, they're like celebrating their anniversary.
They didn't even have a free speech.
Like, they didn't even talk about their free speech.
They're just embarrassed by it now.
tim pool
Well, they made a lot of money.
They made a lot of money opposing Donald Trump, and this is why I've never been a big fan of most non-profits, because they're corporations.
They care about their bottom line.
They have customers.
I'll tell you this.
I think non-profits are actually substantially more dangerous than for-profits in not every single one, obviously, but there are good for-profits that do the right thing, that are maybe sustainable and try to avoid polluting.
And there are some good non-profits that tend to be very small and they actually want to help people.
But here's what I find with most non-profits.
They're still just corporations.
The customer is an individual who wants their hopes and dreams fulfilled, or at least wants to feel like they're doing something.
Non-profits make money by convincing you that you don't have to do anything.
You don't gotta change your life.
You don't have to recycle.
You don't have to go and fight for the rights of free speech.
Just give me 20 bucks and I'll do it for you.
And then they don't.
They don't.
But they want to make sure that their customers think they're getting a product.
That's the crazy thing with a for- with a poor profit.
Like, if we're selling pillows, like we actually have one.
It's a burlap sack full of packing peanuts.
I actually have to give you a sack full of packing peanuts.
Otherwise, you're like, yo, where's my product?
Not the nonprofits.
Not ACLU.
And especially not the New York Times.
This is the crazy thing about the news industry.
If you call a plumber, cause your toilet breaks, right?
Plumber comes in, fixes your toilet.
You walk over, you flush it.
It works.
You say, okay, my toilet works.
Here's your money.
One day you call the plumber, your toilet doesn't work.
He says, I fixed your toilet.
Take my word for it.
You flush it.
Nothing happens.
You say, bro, I'm not paying you.
How do you know the New York times or any other news organization is doing their job?
How can you tell the article is the, is exactly what you asked for in terms of a product, legitimate information.
You can't, you can't check it.
will chamberlain
you can only guess and I mean you can infer from the fact that when they actually report something that's in your
area of expertise that's wrong
I mean that key that keeps happening. You just see them report something. I remember I remember doing this
I remember I went to was during the Flynn case and I went to a hearing and you know watched how judge Sullivan
handled the Defendants and you know came out of that hearing and I was
there and then I watched all the news stations report it wrong
Like it was just there. They're describing it was true insofar as they weren't making explicit
Factual errors, but they're like entire description of it was super misleading
luke rudkowski
That's how it is during their During the last show we did, when we did Super Chat, someone asked us this question, like, how do we trust what we read?
And I went off on a tangent, but one of the things I said, if it's an anonymous source, there's a lot of reason to be skeptical.
Another thing you really have to ask yourself when you're reading the news, whether it's even from independent or mainstream media, is who benefits?
Who benefits from this information?
And ask yourself with this New York Times story.
A lot of independent critical thinkers use that term, kibono, especially when going through our modern news lexicon.
But with that New York Times story, kibono, who benefits from that psychological, emotional, damage that was kind of sent out there to the general public.
Who benefits from the story being perpetrated that these ravaged savages beat someone over the head and bashed their head in until their skull exploded with a fire extinguisher?
Who benefits off of that?
unidentified
It's a cabal.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
No, no, no, I don't know who the cabal is, but Time Magazine said that there was a cabal, their words, not mine, of wealthy elites who were conspiring, again, Time Magazine said, they're not me.
will chamberlain
To fortify the election?
tim pool
Well, to ensure the proper outcome.
Of course it is.
And so, who benefits?
Well, the people who are trying to impeach Donald Trump.
I would normally just say the Democrats, but apparently Time Magazine says there's a cabal, so...
I guess it's canon now.
You know, for a long time, people have referred to the cabal in a sort of conspiratorial way.
And people have been like, oh, come on, there's no cabal.
Well, Time Magazine, an official certified news guard source, you can put in Wikipedia now, the cabal, and then put a little citation to the Time Magazine article.
It exists.
I'm half kidding, by the way.
But the bigger point is, the next story we have is coming off of the impeachment from this weekend.
The Democrats definitely benefited from fake news.
But they also benefited from the fake news they created with the evidence that they doctored.
So I don't know if you guys saw this, Will, Jordan, the tweets and the selective video.
So I think everybody noticed the videos were off.
They cut what Trump said.
They added audio like after or in between.
But more importantly, they actually showed a tweet that they totally just made.
My favorite, my favorite, I don't know if it was a screw-up or not, was when a woman tweeted, we're bringing the Calvary.
And then was it Eric Swalwell said she said she's bringing the cavalry?
lydia smith
That's not right.
tim pool
Do you guys know what the cavalry is?
will chamberlain
It's like it's like a religious thing.
tim pool
I don't know exactly.
I could be wrong.
lydia smith
That is a reference to the hill that Jesus died on.
It's a very strong religious reference and I completely understand what she's saying there.
She's like trying to bring religion into it and make it be like a almost like a crusade.
Which also I don't really like but I kind of understand that better.
tim pool
It is an open-air representation of the crucifixion of Jesus, and they did bring the cross and raised it on the Capitol.
They were bringing the cavalry, and he said cavalry as if to imply they were going to be storming the gates on horseback.
They clearly didn't know what they were talking about.
will chamberlain
Well, there's more than that.
I mean, they changed the date on a tweet, right?
That might seem small, but that's...
lydia smith
The year, right?
tim pool
But that wasn't in the actual trial.
That was in the New York Times.
But this is where the media comes in to lie to everyone once again.
Check this story out from Business Insider.
They say Trump lawyer accuses House managers of manipulating evidence by pointing to doctored tweets that weren't used in the impeachment trial.
Did you hear that?
Weren't used in the impeachment trial?
will chamberlain
Was it in the briefing?
tim pool
It was used in the impeachment trial.
What happened was Swalwell created, he recreated tweets.
Why?
Well, Donald Trump's account has been banned.
In his recreation, an image that was shown in the New York Times had the wrong date, January 3rd, 2020.
When they presented that same doctored tweet, it was actually two tweets in one graphic image, they corrected it to 2021.
To say that they didn't use that simply because they altered it slightly, to a certain degree, is absolutely insane.
Because what Trump's lawyers were saying was they added the verification badge to make it seem like Trump was quoting a public figure, probably of some prominence, telling people to show up in DC and to bring the cavalry.
Which, like, the funny thing was, when he was saying that, the actual image said Calvary.
Like, they didn't know what it was.
And I remember when this happened in the trial, I saw an actual lefty journalist say, Cavalry or Calvary?
Does this guy not know the difference?
And this was like a lefty journalist.
He didn't!
You know what, man?
Maybe the only reason this guy got in is because Fong Fong was propping him up.
unidentified
Bing bing.
will chamberlain
He's still on the House Intelligence Committee for a reason.
unidentified
Yes!
lydia smith
Intelligence.
will chamberlain
I mean, go back 30 years, any politician during the Cold War gets caught like, oh, you slept with a Russian spy.
That's it.
That's the end of your career.
You are asked to resign by your party.
tim pool
Your own party, yeah.
How can we not be demoralized when you have a guy Who was aided in his campaign for office by a Chinese spy.
He was sleeping with her, right?
lydia smith
Literally, yeah.
tim pool
He was sleeping with her?
lydia smith
I believe so, yeah.
luke rudkowski
Those are the allegations, but he won't answer specifically if he did or didn't.
So some people are saying guilt by association by not even responding to this specific question.
tim pool
Well, I don't agree with that.
luke rudkowski
Some people are saying that.
tim pool
I'd like proof, but we know he was associated and working with and she was helping his campaign.
That's a fact.
luke rudkowski
I wouldn't want to see the proof.
I mean, poor Feng Feng.
She had to, you know, be with Mr. Swalwell.
tim pool
There was a Babylon Bee article.
luke rudkowski
I spy she had to she had to you know be with mr. Swalwell.
That's a good point There was a there was a Babylon B article. He's the guy who
parted on TV remember yes, there's yeah election I mean, the man also parroted a lot of the communist Chinese government talking points throughout his career.
Fang Fang was very instrumental in raising a lot of funds for his election.
And the Babylon Bee article said something like, Chinese spy sent to internment camp because she was forced to sleep with Eric Swalwell, chose internment camp specifically to avoid sleeping with him.
Again, satirical article.
But again, major story.
Should have been covered more.
There should be more attention to this.
There should have been at least more hearings about what actually was released, especially with him being on the Intelligence Committee hearings.
What information does China have from Eric?
tim pool
Here's the point I wanted to make.
Here's a guy who definitely needs to be investigated because of his association with a Chinese spy.
And he's leading impeachment, presenting doctored evidence.
And look, there's almost no point in having the argument over the veracity or the severity of the doctored evidence.
You know that the left goes, oh, it was just a verification badge.
It's meaningless.
And I'm like, I literally don't care.
They created that image.
will chamberlain
Try that in a federal court.
tim pool
Yeah, they'll throw you out.
They'll be like, how dare you?
will chamberlain
Manufacture!
Judges sanction you, and you will face discipline at the bar.
Right?
If you doctor any sort of evidence.
tim pool
In any way.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
It's not just doctored.
He manufactured the image.
It was edited together.
And the argument is, it's because Trump's account was deleted.
It doesn't matter.
You can go into the archives, and the woman's tweets still exist.
Instead, he just manipulated an image.
That, to me, is mind-blowing.
It shows you that this was a completely unserious trial.
And then, he just... We all knew it was gonna happen.
Trump is acquitted.
So, I'm sorry, man.
It is entirely demoralizing.
What do we do?
You know, I've talked about culture.
Winning the culture war, I understand.
Making movies, you know, Ben Shapiro is doing movies.
We have now Gina Carano is going to be doing some with The Daily Wire.
How do we deal with this?
will chamberlain
I mean, you know, I've been thinking about this myself because, you know, I've been mostly over the last couple of years I've been doing like opinion and commentary and it's been, you know, it was aimed kind of towards influencing Republicans, right?
Like not only, I mean, you know, defending Trump from various things that I think he was unfairly attacked, but also trying to change the Republican perspective on things like social media, big tech, free markets, etc.
Now it's like we, again, we're confronted with this banally awful administration combined with its, you know, conjoined banally awful institutions like the New York Times.
Like, we need to report on them.
They need, you know, there needs to be like really good, I mean, I think you start with media because culture is, you know, politics is downstream of culture.
but we also just need really good reporting on them.
tim pool
We need real journalism and real fearless journalism that's willing to challenge these major institutions.
And it seems like off the top of my head there's only one name I can think of, and it's Veritas.
will chamberlain
They just got banned from Twitter.
tim pool
I know, right.
So they throw every smear in the book at James O'Keefe, and to me it's crazy.
I certainly think James has a point of view.
I certainly think he's right-leaning or conservative.
I mean, he speaks at like CPAC and stuff like that, right?
I don't care what your politics are, it's what you're telling me true and important.
And whenever I look at, say, Veritas' reporting, I take into consideration all framing.
And the issue is, James doesn't make opinion commentary like the New York Times does.
He just publishes a video and says, here's what they said.
Now, maybe you can accuse them of taking things out of context, but why should that faze me when they do it all day, every day?
At the very least, their argument is James is as bad as they are?
Or the same as they are?
There's good reporting from the Times, and I try my best to find it, and sometimes they do things like this.
They do it all too often.
So what?
unidentified
Well, you can't trust a news outlet that's that afraid of their readers.
I mean, the New York Times is terrified of their subscribers.
So, like, why are we trusting anything that they're saying?
That's a good point.
You know, like, you're just telling these people what they want to hear because you're so afraid.
And then this goes back to the culture war, too.
Like, why are we losing the culture war?
We're terrified of pissing people off.
Like, we just need to stop being afraid of pissing everybody off.
tim pool
It's the craziest thing to me.
Like, since when are conservatives worried about offending Hollywood?
Like, you're never gonna be in those movies, dude.
They hate your guts.
unidentified
Yeah, they hate you.
They're gonna hate you no matter what you say.
Yeah.
It's just ridiculous.
tim pool
That's a really good point.
There was something I saw about Fox News, where I think it was, was it Lachlan Murdoch?
Is that his name?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
He said something like, we're gonna be a center-right organization because the right way a news organization serves its audience is to, like, present them information that they want to hear or whatever, or they agree with.
Something like that.
I don't know exactly what he said, but that's exactly it.
We've gone from news organizations say things I don't like, but you know, that's the news.
It used to be that people trusted the news outlet, and if they heard news they didn't like, they didn't blame the news outlet for saying it.
Now they do.
luke rudkowski
I don't think all hope is lost.
I think there's a reason a lot of these media companies had to turn off their comments.
I think there's a reason why apps like Telegram and Signal are doing as well as they are.
And just looking at the latest comments from the 60 Minutes Bill Gates interview, there's a lot of interesting comments, to say the least.
And I just looked up Eric Swalwell on Twitter, and one of the first things that comes up is a Happy Valentine's Day card with him and Fang Fang on it.
The culture there, the resistance, the people informing themselves and understanding what's going on.
I think that there's more of that than we realize and the perception of people being dumb and angry and stupid is something that is programmed in the algorithm to make us believe that's true, but I believe it's more rare than it is visible on social media.
will chamberlain
You know, I'd like to push back slightly, I guess.
You know, I think about, you know, I was the person who said Trump was not gonna win back in the end of November and got, like, the tweet that was ratioed into oblivion.
20,000 replies.
tim pool
All the Trump supporters being like, you've turned code.
will chamberlain
And I was right, and I mean, like, they were all wrong.
luke rudkowski
Rub it in, Will.
will chamberlain
I can't brag here.
tim pool
It's like that meme, you're like, why are you booing?
I'm right.
will chamberlain
Exactly.
But the point being that there was a very, very strange political dynamic among people, if you were involved in conservative politics at all, where you were walking on a tightrope in the period after the election, pre-inauguration, Where if you even tried to do objective analysis that was even somewhat pessimistic, you were getting, like, hammered for it.
tim pool
I get it.
You know, a lot of these people who are supporting Trump were desperate and holding on by threads, and so they needed all the morale they could get.
And if a realist steps in and says, guys, guys, it's threads, man.
They're like, no!
Like, you know, they can't let go.
But it wasn't, I kept saying this, it wasn't just Trump trying to win by the numbers, it was Trump versus the machine.
It was an issue of, Can Trump win the votes is one thing.
Can Trump beat the machine through the legal process, with lawyers, with public opinion, with the entire establishment against him?
That was a bigger question.
And in the end, the answer was no.
However, I do think it's hilarious that even after they beat him in the election, they had to give themselves one final L. Like, they couldn't just walk away.
They were like, let's try an impeachment we know won't work.
Just to be losers on the way out, give Trump the final word.
will chamberlain
They could have let it go.
They really didn't have to do it.
luke rudkowski
Well, they're not.
They're not going to let it go.
Eric Swallow is calling for more investigations and more hearings.
He was just talking about how God is a woman during some of his testimony that he was on right now.
And now Nancy Pelosi is calling for a 9-11 style commission into the January 6th insurgency.
So they're not going to stop talking about this at all because this is the only card that they have.
A lot of Americans are asking them, like, hey, you promised us a lot of stuff.
Show us what you got.
You're in power.
You have the House.
You have the Senate.
You have the presidency.
What can you do for the American people?
And they're like, not 11 Commission on Donald Trump?
Do you want that?
And people are like, uh, no, I don't want that.
That doesn't interest me.
What can you do for me?
And the American people are asking that, and it's going to become more tumultuous as we move forward.
tim pool
This is what I love about what the Democrats are doing right now.
There's a lot of pundits on the left that they love projecting what's going on with Democrats onto Republicans.
And it's funny because the Republicans don't do anything.
You know what I mean?
Like Mitch McConnell is... What does he vote?
Not guilty but then complains Trump was guilty.
It's like clearly the dude's not doing anything.
Republican leadership at this point is an oxymoron.
But the Democrats like to claim that Republicans don't have any real policies.
That's why they're not doing anything.
The Democrats have no real policies.
That's why all they keep doing is saying Orange Man bad well after the Orange Man's gone.
It's been a month.
Seriously.
And now they want to do a new commission.
9-11 style commission to investigate the Capitol breach is the next step.
Oh, is it?
But why?
Impeachment's over.
What's the point?
will chamberlain
Yeah, the National Guard's still in D.C., right?
I mean, I was there briefly, and I still saw they had all the fences and the barbed wire.
It was a day of freezing rain.
It looked absolutely miserable.
I think that was the day that the verdict was announced.
They're still there.
They've still militarized the Capitol.
unidentified
They're gonna be there until March.
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
Like, for what?
tim pool
I heard they're gonna be there longer, actually.
So, I can't remember who exactly tweeted this joke, but they said something about... The National Guard is... They're now saying the National Guard will remain in D.C.
until the fall.
The fall of what?
unidentified
I'd be so pissed if I was in the National Guard and they're like, you just need to stand out here by this barbed wire fence and sleep in the parking garage on the street.
luke rudkowski
And share a bathroom, one bathroom with 5,000 other individuals.
tim pool
They're still doing it.
So I don't know if exactly right now, but I remember the big controversy was they're making like 5,000 guardsmen take breaks or like sleep in a parking garage with one power outlet and two toilets.
And then there was a big uproar.
Oh, how dare they?
And then, like, a week ago, they were like, yeah, they're still there.
Like, they never got them out.
The news cycle just walked away and everyone forgot about these people.
But I've heard from people who, you know, friends of friends of people in the Guard who say that they're extremely demoralized.
will chamberlain
I bet.
tim pool
But, I mean, think about that.
Demoralization has to be sweeping across this country, just across the board.
unidentified
Sort of.
tim pool
And the issue with that is, I'm sure everyone's familiar with Yuri Bezmenov.
He talked about, you know that KGB raid?
will chamberlain
Sort of, yeah.
I feel like I've seen that clip on YouTube.
tim pool
It gets sent 50 billion times to us all day every day.
But he talks about demoralization and what happens when people are completely demoralized
and they feel like the system doesn't work anymore, there's no justice.
Nancy Pelosi doing this commission is probably the stupidest and most deranged thing I've
To tell the American people at a time when the news report, I think it was Reuters, $1,400 checks will hold you over until July.
Like, in what world will that be enough for anybody?
But don't worry, don't worry.
I know you're all stressed.
You can't pay your rent.
The moratorium on evictions is going to be ending soon.
We're going to see millions of evictions, but it's okay.
Nancy Pelosi has promised a 9-11-style commission on the several hundred people who stormed their way into the Capitol building.
And while you're sleeping outside, you can rest easy knowing the full details of what happened on January 6th.
It won't change anything in your life.
It won't change who the president is.
It won't give you any food.
but it's the right ideology.
luke rudkowski
Hey there, hey, hey, don't be all negative.
At least the pharma-industrial complex is going to have more profits with their insulin.
You know, it's not all bad.
tim pool
So why would they have more profits from their insulin?
luke rudkowski
Because of the rule that Biden overturned.
tim pool
You know what?
That actually makes sense because I was going to say they were going to have less profits
because once they evict the people who are diabetic and they can't have a refrigerator
because they'll be living outside for their insulin, they'll die.
So then how do they make up that loss of profits from the dead people?
Jack the price back up.
Yeah. Yeah. Como style.
luke rudkowski
It's not all bad.
The military-industrial complex is also going to be happy, as NATO just announced that they're not going to be leaving Afghanistan anytime soon today.
tim pool
Thank the Lord.
I was really worried.
You know, I've long said when people... I see all these activists complaining about the military-industrial complex and American empire, and I'm like...
Who's gonna bomb the kids if we don't do it?
And then when Trump was- The Abraham Accords bringing peace to the Middle East.
Thank our lucky stars that- How gauche of him, you know?
unidentified
I know, right?
tim pool
Praise be to Biden, bringing in those drones and keeping us in Afghanistan for what reason?
I'm not entirely sure, but apparently they told us it needs to be done.
Most of my life we've been in Afghanistan.
More than half of my life.
luke rudkowski
There's fathers and sons fighting alongside each other in Afghanistan.
It's the longest war in American history.
And where does the money go?
Where does the money go?
Where does all the opium come from?
90% of the world's opium.
Where does it come from?
tim pool
It's a money toilet.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and the stories that I've heard, because I've heard from a lot of, you know, soldiers that were over there, especially when it comes to, you know, we can't even talk about some of the stuff here that the soldiers caught, and soldiers were punished in the United States for exposing the abuse of children in Afghanistan and trying to stop it in Afghanistan.
So it's just an absolutely horrible thing to To be in there.
tim pool
I understand you're hurting, and this kind of stuff stresses you out, makes you angry.
But did you know that Nancy Pelosi is putting together a 9-11 style commission on the people who stormed the Capitol?
unidentified
Feels good, man.
tim pool
See, he's laughing!
unidentified
He's laughing!
will chamberlain
It's the same type of—we were just talking about the New York Times and their own navel-gazing being constantly consumed by their own internal HR drama, right?
Okay, Congress is now constantly internally consumed by its own— Drama.
Think about like they spent their time trying to expel Marjorie Taylor Greene, impeaching
the president, 9-11 commissions, like it's all self...
tim pool
Drama.
It's all reality TV.
will chamberlain
It's just all internal HR matters, basically, within the government as opposed to doing
things they've done.
I...
Stopping able to perform their function.
tim pool
I almost want to run for office.
And when people are like, what do you stand for?
I just be like, I'm going to just build a shed for this one guy.
Just that, that's it.
I'm going to, I'm going to use all of my time to go like just to local people's houses and help them with their chores.
If you elect me, I will help you with your chores.
Cause at least then your taxpayer dollars goes towards something productive.
Cause I can't, I can't tell you what these people are doing.
I might not be there to vote on whatever stupid garbage bill they're proposing, but I assure you this, if I ever did run, I'd literally just weed your garden.
Put up some fences for you.
Walk your dog.
Because then you know your tax dollars are at least getting you some public service, right?
will chamberlain
I mean, how hard is it?
Like, this is the easiest government program ever.
Like, just give people money.
Like, they did it already.
They know how to do it.
They just write a check.
They use whatever technology they did to put the money in your bank account.
luke rudkowski
They even fumbled that, especially with even the first check.
There was multiple trials, there was different layers, there was different time periods when people got their checks.
So the government can't even send you a check correctly.
What makes you think they should run your medical health care?
What makes you think that they should be in charge of anything in your life?
tim pool
They were giving dead people money, and they were giving money to non-citizens overseas.
Like, how does it happen that some dude in a different country wakes up like, the American government gave me money for some reason?
luke rudkowski
We have a social security number.
All of us.
It's so easy.
They have the data.
All they have to do is literally be like, okay, yes, I'm gonna check.
Oh, live dead check.
That's it.
They can't run the DMV, they can't run the post office, and guess what?
All of government runs that way.
Spend a few days, spend a few hours even, at your local DMV and imagine these central controllers wanting to control every aspect of your life.
It would scare the bejesus out of you.
tim pool
That's the one thing I don't get.
Like, the people who advocate for universal healthcare like Bernie Sanders does, do they not remember going to the DMV once?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
I mean, there's all sorts of problems that lead to government incompetence, and it gets back to the point I was making earlier.
There's not a good way to punish them for lying.
I think perhaps there's two big disciplines on our public companies, and our regulatory system kind of works for this, right?
The first discipline is they have to make money, and the second is they have to tell the truth every three quarters, or they risk... I mean, they don't always do it, but they're under a legal obligation to, and they have to file a report that's examined by stock market investors.
luke rudkowski
I want public lashings.
You're a politician, you lie, you have to go to the center of the city, and you get lashed by a random citizen who wins the lottery.
tim pool
A constituent.
Who's given the cat a nine tails.
luke rudkowski
And then you get to whoop the politicians in the buttocks.
For mine!
I'll clarify though, because I said... They do that in Somalia, by the way.
tim pool
I said the people like Bernie Sanders, because I actually would like... I personally would like some kind of universal basic health care, but Bernie Sanders wants to abolish private health care.
I think so long as you have that competition and you have that choice, I think we'll be okay.
But I also think before you can advocate for any... before you can implement any kind of major social reform, you've got to weed out the corruption.
And I think that's the biggest wall blocking legitimate social programs and social reform.
will chamberlain
I mean, if you can't even give people $2,000 checks, how on earth are you going to do brain surgery on them?
Government's not competent enough to do this.
tim pool
You know what the problem is?
When the programs first start, when the government first comes in, there's somebody with a decent idea that makes sense to a lot of people.
But businesses have to fight to survive.
They have to make sense.
A business has to be able to generate revenue and profit to hire more people and grow, and if they can't, they collapse.
Government, when they just can't do it, they just send more people with guns to collect more taxes, and then pump more money into something that's not working.
So that's always been my thing.
I like the idea of social programs.
The problem is, well, the first question is, can they ever be implemented properly?
Or, is the issue, there needs to be an expiration date on all of them, period.
will chamberlain
I mean, you have to think about how you use government in trying to keep whatever it's doing within its core competency.
When I think about, for example, what should big tech law look like?
I'm advocating a bigger governmental role in regulating Twitter and Facebook, etc.
I'm like, okay, so we want civil rights-style litigation that allows people to go to court and pursue their rights, like, essentially sue the companies.
Because we have courts, they work, they know how to issue orders and get people to comply with them.
Like, that's a core competency of government.
When you're saying, oh, government should literally run the healthcare system, you're way outside the government's core competency.
tim pool
Well, you know, we talked a bit about Giving out checks to people.
The government's inability to do things.
Well, we got another big story that I think plays into the government's ability to do things.
And actually, what you guys are saying makes me a little bit more confident, because we have this story.
CBS News reports Biden calls on Congress to ban assault weapons and institute other gun restrictions.
I suppose the good news there is that, as we just mentioned, they can't get giving out money right.
They can't even give people money.
Are they going to be able to actually implement... How are they going to be able to do that?
Yeah, how are they going to actually be able to take anybody's guns away or do anything like that?
They seem to have no idea what they're doing.
luke rudkowski
The thing is they won't and it will create more conflict and it will create more fights and it will create a really nasty situation inside of the United States and it seems like some people within our government are hell-bent at fighting each other.
And I think this is exactly what this particular bigger grab ... of authority away from the people is you're pretty much ... saying that you're not you're not saying that guns are bad ... you're just saying that only the special privileged people ... should have guns the politicians should have guns ... and I don't know why we're not making this more of a talking point.
But gun control, specifically in the United States, is based off institutional racism and white supremacy.
There's a long history of that.
tim pool
But hold on.
And you would think... That's not even like some, haha, got you talking good one.
luke rudkowski
No, I'm not.
tim pool
This is actually something the left does say all the time, because people need to understand leftists and liberals are not the same thing.
It's the liberal, corporate, Democrat types, establishment types that are like, ban all the guns!
Leftists, like Antifa, They're like, nah, we like our guns.
They're pro 2A.
They're tools of the revolution.
They love that stuff.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
I mean, I'm a little, I guess I'm a little more optimistic on the front of what's going to happen, because I think the courts are going to shut that down.
You know, much of the early assault weapons ban stuff, that predates DC versus Heller and the big cases that the Supreme Court ruled on, which basically protects the individual right to guns that are in common use.
And I think that there might be no more gun that's more in common use than the AR-15.
tim pool
First, let me just say, the gist of the story is Biden put out this campaign statement saying we need to ban assault weapons, universal background checks.
What you need to understand about assault weapons is there's no definition.
Assault weapon is meaningless.
Assault rifle typically refers to select fire selective fire rifle so they can do single burst and full auto Those have been illegal even before they were invented because of I guess like it was at NFA was at it I'm not the smart like the most gun person ever I can already see all the chat lighting up with people saying the point is assault rifles are not legal.
They can do full auto.
Assault weapon has no unifying definition, and it makes literally no sense.
In some states, like, there's like a standard, there's like, uh, uh, in some states, for instance, the M1 is illegal.
And, like, for what reason is that illegal?
And then your standard, like, uh, SCAR or whatever is legal.
will chamberlain
Cosmetic differences, I mean, something on assault weapon versus not, totally not related to function.
tim pool
No, it's like, well, that weapon was once used in war, so it's illegal.
But the other one that's more modern, more powerful, and more efficient is totally fine.
It's meaningless.
So I suppose the bigger picture is whether or not the government will be able to do it.
And you mentioned you're a bit more optimistic on the court shutting this down.
But my question is, it's the Second Amendment.
Do you know the text of the Second Amendment, Will?
will chamberlain
You don't need to give it verbatim.
What's that last part?
Before that?
Those two words, what were they?
tim pool
Keep and bear.
will chamberlain
verbatim but yeah i like something is like the a well-armed or well-regulated
militia being necessary to the health of a free society the right to keep in
their own shall not be infringed was a last part they shall not be infringed before that
the right to keep in their arms those two words were there
keep and bear bear means in and that's part of the heller decision right like
the ability to so i think the later one so why is it that in dc for
tim pool
instance i can't legally bear arms
will chamberlain
uh... because courts i mean the the way these amendments are interpreted
there judicial interpretation judicial gloss
I mean, so... Manipulation in power.
tim pool
I mean, people... The politicians in D.C.
are like, I'll be damned if I'm gonna let anyone challenge me.
will chamberlain
Pre-Heller, I mean, you know, before Heller was ruled, the Ninth Circuit had already decided that the ability to keep and, you know, keep a handgun in your home was not part of the Second Amendment.
tim pool
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Right?
It took Heller to reverse that and be like, no, there's an individual right to bear arms in your home.
tim pool
And that's, and you know why that's absolutely insane?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
The initial language of the second amendment before it was called the second amendment, it was called like article five or something.
I can't remember which article it was.
There were 17 articles proposed for the constitution and the first two had to do with like Congress and apportionments or something like that.
But the original text literally said, basically, even if somebody doesn't want to be in a militia, they're allowed to have a gun.
And they took that out, I guess I was reading they were worried it would outlaw conscription.
And considering it was, you know, the birth of a new nation, they're like, nah, we need to be able to force people to fight wars for us.
You know, and look, I'm not trying to be a dick, like...
Back then, we had the War of 1812.
We had the British kidnapping people.
will chamberlain
We were weak.
People forget how weak we were.
Britain won the War of 1812 and then made a nice peace with us because they were more worried about Napoleon.
tim pool
I was reading about it, how it's one of the few wars where everyone declared victory, and the only loser was the Native Americans who were caught in the crossfire.
will chamberlain
I mean, you know, Madison sent our troops up into, like, Canada, and then Britain showed up and was like, oh, look, you left your capital unoccupied.
I guess we'll burn it to the ground.
Yeah, I remember that.
I mean, we were losing badly because they were a massive naval power.
We were very, very weak.
And again, the only reason, they just got annoyed by it.
They were like, OK, Napoleon's conquering all of Europe right now.
That's a little more important than what those colonies are doing.
tim pool
Yeah, we almost took Montreal.
The U.S.
tried to take Montreal.
It's entirely possible that would have been in America.
So the initial proposal for the Second Amendment actually was longer, and it basically said, in the event even somebody does not want to join a militia, they can still have that weapon.
They took it out.
And then that leaves us today, where you have these people who are arguing, like, it says a well-regulated militia.
First of all, which definition of regulated are they saying?
Regulated in the sense of, Armed and efficient, like well-regulated in the sense that everyone's got a weapon, or regulated in the sense that the government controls what they do.
It's a modern interpretation off of what they may have actually meant.
will chamberlain
It's also just bad grammar, right?
People should know how to read an English sentence.
The first phrase, a prefatory phrase, is like, here is one reason why we're going to enact this rule, right?
A well-regulated militia being necessary to the health of a free state.
It's like, that's one reason or the reason that we're going to do this.
And then we say, the rule, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
tim pool
So that's the big issue.
Joe Biden says he wants to do this.
We've got the story from Michigan Live, how riots, politics, and a pandemic drove record gun sales in Michigan from February 13th.
But this is just one story I just pulled up.
I mean, we've had record sales, record background checks for the past year because of the riots, the pandemic, and politics.
So now, now we're hearing from Joe Biden, he wants to start banning assault weapons.
But by their definition, that's like, in some, this is the craziest thing.
One weapon you can buy in, say, you know, New York, you can't even bring to New Jersey.
You could live in Philadelphia, literally on the water.
You cross over the other side with a totally legal weapon, that's an assault weapon.
Definition changes outright.
So, the first thing I suppose I'd have to do is define what an assault weapon was.
I'll tell you the scary thing is there was an attempt several years ago to define any semi-automatic weapon as an assault weapon, which meant literally the handgun a cop uses.
So I went down to March for Our Lives, the big protest, I think in 2017 or 2018, and I was asking people.
And I wasn't trying to do this gotcha stuff that you'll often see on YouTube, where they're like, you're so dumb, explain it!
You know, like Jimmy Kimmel does or whatever.
I saw people holding signs saying, ban assault rifles.
And so I would ask them, like, are you aware that they're already banned?
And then they would go, oh, and they would like pull their sign down and fold it up and then hide it.
Like, ah, I guess you didn't realize.
I wasn't trying to get you!
And then I would ask some people, very simply, I had the bill pulled up that was proposed that would make, like, a Glock 17 illegal as an assault weapon.
It would literally define the handgun as an assault weapon, one of the most common weapons in the country.
And so I would ask people, do you think assault weapons should be banned?
Yes.
Do you think that includes, say, semi-automatic handguns?
And they'll go, no, of course not.
What about, like, you know, a Glock 17 or something, like a cop would use, or a Glock 19?
And they would be like, no, no, no, no, no.
We just mean high-powered rifles where you can get off, like, 30 rounds in a few minutes.
And then I would show them the bill, you know, from, like, GovTrack, and I'd be like, here's the current bill.
Do you agree with what the Democrats are proposing?
And they would go, oh, no, no, I absolutely do not agree with that.
And I'd be like, I mean, maybe it's important that, you know, all these millions of people coming out here know that.
I mean, you'd come out here, and a lot of people were shocked.
They didn't realize just how serious it was that there have been proposals even to get rid of semi-automatic.
You see, I don't know if you guys remember that, what was it, CNN or whatever, where they said fully semi-automatic?
unidentified
What?
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, like, they don't even know what they're talking about.
And so there's a lot of people who think semi-automatic means you hold the trigger down and brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr It's remarkable how... So I recently... I guess you're not supposed to say what kind of weapons you have.
But look, it's probably fine if I mention this one I just got, right?
You think it's okay?
luke rudkowski
I don't know.
What?
The big one?
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
Well... No, the hunting one.
I'll just say, so I got a Bolt Action 450 Bushmaster Ruger, and when I was buying it, they were just basically saying to me, like, you should have no problems with this Bolt Action, it's great, it's excellent for hunting, you know, it was designed for deer and stuff like that.
And I was like, oh, that's perfect, in the event we do want to go hunting or something like that and we want to go out with somebody.
And then I asked him, I was like, why is it that they regulate the, you know, the AR-15s, but this thing is like just not even on the books and they're, you know, well, because they don't do what they're talking about.
And I had several people tell me that less moving parts on the bolt action, the bolt action 450, these are, you know, decently large rounds.
They're more accurate at longer distances.
They're potentially more dangerous from somebody who wants to cause harm.
But because these politicians have no idea what they're talking about, they think the scary black-looking rifle is a military weapon.
It's got to be banned.
Meanwhile, this hunting rifle, which is actually more deadly and more accurate, they're like, oh, that's fine.
That's what we... Well, you know what?
I think the better way to put it is...
I can talk all about this stuff as I'm discovering it and exploring it as I go to the gun shop and I'm buying these things.
And a lot of the people who own guns are sitting there laughing like, ah, they're laughing like, ah, young Tim finally learning what it's like.
But here's the funny thing about it.
It's also a wake-up call to, it's kind of like the Gell-Man amnesia effect.
For those that aren't familiar, the idea of the Gell-Man amnesia effect is when you read a news article about something you're familiar with.
So let's say you're a gun owner, and you read a story saying assault weapons will be banned, and then they make reference to things that don't exist, and they get assault weapon wrong, and they define words.
You laugh, like, these journalists have no idea.
They say fully semi-automatic?
They're so dumb!
You turn the page, and then it's like conflict in Syria, 50 dead, and you go, wow, I didn't know that.
The idea is you all of a sudden forgot how incompetent these journalists were.
I suppose there's another effect I would liken this to, is people believe in government until they realize there's an area of government they're familiar with, and how awful it's being controlled and regulated.
So as soon as you start getting into, like, buying guns and going to class, which a lot of people are doing, all of a sudden you go, if they're doing this really bad, what other regulations do we have that are just as bad?
If they don't know what an assault weapon is and can't define it, how are they handling medicine?
lydia smith
So this is super funny to me because the lady who sold me my personal weapon of choice in a different state was like, well, the state that you live in does not like this gun because it looks scary.
And that kind of struck me as strange because I was like, the people who are actually regulating the things that we can and can't buy, this literal right that we have that's in the constitution, they have no idea what they're talking about.
They know nothing about what they're saying.
Another thing to really consider here is that this is a very unpopular move by Biden.
and can't do. It's in the Constitution. I'm sorry, you may not like it.
luke rudkowski
Well, another thing to really consider here is this. This is a very unpopular move by
Biden. People have been buying guns in record numbers, even in big cities, even a lot of
people on the left. A lot of people on the left have been buying firearms. And I truly
believe this is done in an effort to push for more chaos.
Order out of chaos is usually the big kind of agenda that you see from a lot of these politicians that try to stir up a whole bunch of problems and then come in with a larger solution.
At all costs we need to prevent violence from happening and the people in Brazil are having the opposite problem as I'm learning right now.
I'm reading an article that's talking about how Bolsonaro in Brazil is trying to make it easier for citizens to get guns more easily.
The Guardian has a propaganda article about this and it's titled, Anger as Bolsonaro moves to make guns easier to access, a threat to democracy.
Terrifying!
People need to understand, when you're armed with a firearm, this is what politicians are protected by.
So if the politicians could have protections, why can't the average citizen be able to protect themselves and their properties?
So when it comes to criminals, like in Mexico or let's say Chicago, places where guns are illegal, Criminals still magically get guns and firearms!
tim pool
We gotta talk about this story.
We got this story from Reason.
This gun shop says it won't do business with Biden voters.
lydia smith
Yeah, in Missouri?
tim pool
No, in Michigan.
Tech companies should have the same freedom to choose their customers, so this is a Michigan-based ammunition shop, is refusing to sell to any customer who voted for President Joe Biden in the 2020 election.
We've had a few potential customers call this morning to ask why they have to check a box stating they did not vote for Joe Biden in order to purchase our ammunition.
Phoenix Ammunition tweeted yesterday morning.
The answer?
Joe Biden ran a campaign built on the most radical gun control platform a major party candidate has ever had, including banning the online sale of ammunition.
This, says Phoenix, is essentially a plan to bankrupt our company.
That's true!
I couldn't believe it when I read that.
Joe Biden said, we will ban the online sale of ammo.
Why?
What's seriously the problem there?
That's crazy.
will chamberlain
Their whole plan is like, we're gonna throw as much sand in the gears of gun ownership as we can.
tim pool
For what reason?
luke rudkowski
But also, you have to look at strategically here, this is against the best interest of the United States national security.
One of the things that makes America strong is its armed citizenry.
When you take away the arms, geopolitically, we become weaker on the world stage.
will chamberlain
Since when has, like, What's Good for the American People stopped Democrat ideology from working?
luke rudkowski
I would say political ideology.
tim pool
And I want to be fair, too.
Republican gets excluded from that because Republicans mostly do nothing.
luke rudkowski
What did Trump do for the Second Amendment?
will chamberlain
Nothing.
tim pool
Well, no, he did worse.
luke rudkowski
He did bad for it.
tim pool
Banning bump signs.
will chamberlain
banning bumps and really the big proposition. You know the value
proposition of Republican governance is that they won't do more bad
things. Not that they'll do good things to improve your life.
luke rudkowski
They'll just avoid doing the bad thing when it comes to trial and the things in the bump stock ban he went
further than Democrats would have even wished Democrats usually.
grandfather in people in their firearms and their accessories Donald Trump made
Americans felons overnight with the signing of a pen something that of
tim pool
course Democrats weren't able to do Trump did I want to read more of this
So there's another quote.
They say, in a series of follow-up tweets, the company stressed that it was perfectly willing to give up potential sales to people who voted for Biden.
We're dead serious, Phoenix Ammunition tweeted.
We don't want your money, and you shouldn't want us to have it because we're going to use it to make more ammo, sell it to the citizenry, and do everything in our power to prevent Joe Biden's administration from usurping the rights of Americans.
We have no problem talking to Biden voters and educating them on what they did, but they have to be willing to acknowledge their ignorance at the very least.
We're not going to sit here and debate with you.
We're a 2A company, and these are our first principles.
Phoenix Ammunition's announcement has provoked a wave of positive attention from the right.
Many are applauding the company for sticking up for its beliefs and declining to do business with people it sees as a threat to its business model.
I love this.
Quote, private company tweeted perennial MAGA gadfly Jack Posobek.
The implication being that because Phoenix is private, it can do it at once.
He's right, of course.
Phoenix is perfectly within its rights to reject customers who voted for Biden or for any other reason related to a person's politics.
Not in D.C., by the way.
In D.C., politics, political ideology is a human right.
And then they go on to say, I love this, and so is Twitter and YouTube and Facebook and Reddit and so on.
Yet when it comes to these private companies rejecting customers based on their ideological beliefs and political statements, Bisobic and many, many others on the right have been whining and objecting nonstop.
They insist it violates their rights somehow.
They champion proposals to force these private actors to carry speech they disagree with and cater to customer bases they find objectionable.
They support federal action to punish private businesses for not being politically neutral.
So which is it?
will chamberlain
Who wrote this and why are they simping?
tim pool
Is it Robbie?
No, it's Elizabeth Nolan Brown.
It's Reason.
Come on, it's Reason.
Libertarians.
will chamberlain
They don't get that it's like Jack's joking, right?
If you actually go to Jack and you say, here's the deal.
We can regulate private companies and prevent them from discriminating against you politically on Facebook and Twitter, but here's what you have to give up.
The random gun shop in Michigan also has to serve Biden voters.
He'd be like, uh, yeah, I'll take the regulation.
tim pool
He's clearly joking, saying private company is poking fun at all of the people.
This is really funny, where libertarians break from a lot of conservatives on one of these issues, and they're more aligned with liberals on this one.
Well, actually, let me just say, somehow that happened?
When did pro-corporate libertarians, you know, I shouldn't say pro-corporate, but pro-private right for companies, break from conservatives on that issue and join the liberals?
Well, it's more like- The liberals were always for the regulations.
will chamberlain
You know, the liberals realized, both the liberals and conservatives actually hold political power at times.
Libertarians don't.
So that's kind of where you start.
And so liberals realized that it assisted them in their attempts to hold and wield political
power if they were going to indulge the right of corporations to censor their ideological
adversaries.
And so liberals who under – in any other context would never talk about how private
companies can do whatever they want are suddenly saying, oh, actually, you know, Facebook and
Twitter are uniquely in the position where they should be given full autonomy.
Whereas conservatives are, you know, like me, are also, you know, generally being like,
no, generally the free market's a good idea, but I'm sorry, I don't like being discriminated
tim pool
against.
Right.
That's the difference between absolute, like, bottom of the spectrum libertarianism of,
you know, free for all essentially.
Well, we need some government, we need some regulations, you know what I mean?
will chamberlain
Well, I'd love to hear a libertarian explain why, if, you know, given this position that they have of like, oh, you should never interfere with a private company's right to do what they want, how they, whether or not they could oppose the 1964 Civil Rights Act and support the repeal of that law.
tim pool
They do support the repeal of it.
will chamberlain
Some do, but many don't, and many certainly aren't willing to talk about it.
tim pool
Like Joe Jorgensen.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I did a debate with Robby Soave on this, and he just dissembled horribly on it.
I love Robby, but he had a rough time when he was talking about the right of Facebook and Twitter to censor people.
I'm like, OK, so do you oppose the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
He's like, well, yeah, I do.
I'm like, OK, so you're for hotels and restaurants discriminating Being able to discriminate against black people is like, well, you know, I don't know, it's just... This is the craziest thing to me, because I've never moved on this position.
tim pool
Like, I've always been in this, like, this was the center-left.
Pro-regulation, when corporations were interfering with the rights of individuals becoming too powerful, that's when the people band together and say, you have too much power and it's causing us harm.
will chamberlain
So, you know, interestingly, like, this is where, you know, the libertarians were educated.
Like, I feel like I was educated in this way that was saying, like, actually, you know, you know, Really, the problem was government and, you know, all those civil rights.
They would have been protected, and the issue was government intervention, and Goldwater was right.
The Civil Rights Act went too far.
And then, you know, I look back at that, you know, 10 or 12 years ago, Will, and I'm like, that was dumb.
Why did I believe that?
That was clearly, like, historically wrong and just very, very ideological.
tim pool
Well, do you know the story behind how, like, this is one of the stories of how we saw the end of segregation was, I think it was Lyndon Johnson.
He had some black men who worked for him, and he asked them to- I told you the story.
You told me the story.
There you go.
Did you write this up for Human Events?
will chamberlain
Yeah, I wrote this up.
tim pool
Tell the story, man, because it's a brilliant story.
will chamberlain
So, I mean, this is in Robert Caro's biography, right?
But so, Lyndon Johnson, had these uh you know had black employees and a couple of them he had drive his car all the way back to texas from dc every year and um there usually wasn't a big deal but one year he wanted them to take his dog back with him and they were like please don't make us do that
And Linda's like, why?
Like, what's the big deal?
You have a dog in the car, who cares?
And he's like, do you understand what it's like to drive through the Jim Crow South with a car?
Like, we have to drive, you know, 40 miles off the main drag just to find a place, a hotel or a restaurant.
And then many times we just have to sleep in the car.
And we have to do that now with a dog, too?
Are you kidding?
And it was sort of that moment that was just crystallized, like, wait, we don't have to let that happen.
Like, we could, you know, whatever's going on in the South, we don't have to tolerate people not being able to go to a motel or a restaurant on the road and having to go.
We just don't have to tolerate that.
We can say that that's illegal now.
And to me, that's just really powerful.
You can come up with all these rationalizations and hypotheticals about what would have happened in the absence of some early, horrible government intervention, and every bad thing is the fruit of that early government intervention, like libertarians try to argue.
tim pool
You know, I hear a lot from libertarians that, oh, eventually these businesses would have failed and their competition would have succeeded.
I think the key word is eventually.
Like, how long would that take?
Maybe.
And I think maybe's the right word.
will chamberlain
But here's another point.
Like, put yourself in the position of a restaurateur or a motel owner in the Jim Crow South, just on some random, you know, stretch of highway.
Are you making money hand over fist in the 1960s?
No, you're not, right?
You're a restauranteur in the Jim Crow South in the 1960s.
So, in, you know, in the abstract, like, if some black person came in, even if you had, like, maybe were someone inclined to racism, you might say, like, well, we need the money, so we're perfectly happy to serve you.
But the problem was there was this private, like, the problem was like this widespread racist disgust among the customer base.
And so, you know, if there were so many white customers who were racist and would not stay in a motel that was integrated.
And so that private consumer demand for discrimination was sustaining the racism, and there was no, you know, that would have continued.
The libertarians are wrong.
That would have just continued on.
Right.
And I think, I mean, think about all how this private discrimination is being used now.
I mean, it's, again, not the same quality, much worse to be racist, but We see how progressives act today, how they try and use collective pressure to exclude conservatives from public life.
How does the market solve that?
tim pool
A really good example that there is a problem of ideology is Gina Carano posts a tweet.
Disney fires her.
Lucasfilm fires her.
So when an individual employee, her as the star of the show The Mandalorian, says something political, the company says, oh, we can't allow that.
That's offensive.
You're fired.
You then have the story of this restaurant where one employee wanted to wear a Black Lives Matter mask, and the business said basically the same thing Disney did.
You can't have that.
You can't wear it.
Sorry.
So the activists got the business shut down.
It doesn't matter if you're the employer or the employee.
When you oppose the cult, they come after you.
unidentified
That's what I think is funny about this gun shop story is that you have one gun shop who's saying, we don't want to do business with Biden voters.
Well, how many businesses have turned around and said, we don't want to do any business with Trump supporters?
tim pool
Exactly.
unidentified
Maybe not huge corporations aren't publicly saying that, but I've seen small businesses on Instagram and Facebook posting and saying, if you're a Trump supporter, we don't want your money.
tim pool
That's the funny, there was that, remember that video where the vape shop guy is screaming at the top of his lungs because a guy's wearing a MAGA hat?
Like, dude, it's one thing when Phoenix Ammunition is like, you know, uh, hello there good sir, a Biden voter, I'm sorry, take your business elsewhere.
It's another thing when a guy walks with a MAGA hat and the vape store guy goes, He's screaming as loud as he can.
will chamberlain
It's so mundane.
That sort of discrimination against conservatives is so mundane that we don't even talk about it.
It's not even news.
It's news when a conservative business discriminates against liberals, not the reverse.
tim pool
I mean, it was meme-worthy when the guy was screaming, And the guy's like, I'm wearing a hat, bro.
What's wrong with you?
luke rudkowski
So does this prove that the government intervention didn't work?
In our current modern day circumstances?
will chamberlain
Well, no, I mean, there's no government prohibition on political discrimination, right?
But there is a government prohibition on racial discrimination.
And I think, honestly, when you're looking for things like government policies that work, that ultimately achieve their objective, I think the Civil Rights Act of 1964, you can fairly say, achieved its objective.
I think it accelerated, you know, it massively accelerated integration of the Jim Crow South and radically transformed the country.
luke rudkowski
Do you think we're regressing?
Especially with some... I forgot what this picture was from, but there was a mandatory meeting.
People of color had to go in one place.
White people had to go.
Yeah, it was in Seattle when I saw this.
Do you think we're regressing back into that?
will chamberlain
Sure, I think we are, but I think that particular type of discrimination is definitely vulnerable to lawsuits.
I think, and Chris Rufo, I don't know if you've had him on yet.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
will chamberlain
Okay, so Chris Rufo is awesome, and I think he's, whenever the left tries to go so far and actually wants to do racial discrimination on its own, it's vulnerable to having the Civil Rights Act brought in to wield against it.
It's not a free market.
problem on the other hand like we don't currently have the law we kind of need
except in maybe a few jurisdictions I think California and DC have some
political discrimination protections but in general I think like that's that's
got to be a project of the right to say look the free market is not gonna save
us it and and I think it's it's yeah free market Republicans are not gonna do
tim pool
that Mitch McConnell you know you don't he's professional you know I'll give him
a catchphrase slow down there Democrats That's it.
That's what he does.
will chamberlain
I mean, he might not do it, but he's old and he may not be in office too much longer.
And I think about, I'm more optimistic on this front because, you know, two years ago I was saying platform access is a civil right, and people were calling me crazy, like leftist.
tim pool
They're calling you a commie.
will chamberlain
They're calling me a leftist, like Michael Malice did that, you know.
tim pool
He called you a commie?
will chamberlain
He didn't call me a commie, but he's like, you're coming from leftist's background.
And you know, I basically, you know, I redid his podcast and it's just everybody's sort of come around to where I was two years ago in this radical position.
tim pool
I had a conversation with a libertarian in Milwaukee at the Mythicist event, and I wasn't there to be at the event.
I ended up on a panel because someone wasn't able to make it, but I was in the green room, and there was a bunch of people sitting around.
I was talking to this libertarian, and I said, we need regulation of big tech companies in some capacity, be it the ensuring of the freedom of speech, because they've taken the commons, or some kind of regulation that says we need to, like, reform of Section 230.
And he said, I don't believe you have a right to tell a private institution what they're allowed to do.
And I was like, dude, I've heard the argument.
I don't care.
If you want to sit back while your ideas are completely erased from the public space, by all means do it.
Because my idea is I'm not a libertarian.
I'm actually in favor of regulation.
And that's what I'm arguing for.
So in five years when your political ideology is gone and doesn't exist, Who's gonna argue for you?
luke rudkowski
But also, I think we need to make a distinction between private business and also monopolies that control information highways, and also monopolies specifically that are connected to governments in many different ways.
So I think there's a difference between the cake owner versus Twitter, Facebook.
will chamberlain
Oh yeah, I randomly get questions from people who say things like, well, if you think you should regulate Twitter, Well, how could you possibly oppose regulating the cake owner?
tim pool
I don't.
will chamberlain
I'm like, I, well, from my, my answer to that is, I mean, I think that's a perfectly consistent position to think you should regulate both.
unidentified
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Right.
But I think that it's okay for society to impose larger burdens on billion dollar companies than on small entrepreneurs.
tim pool
That's right.
will chamberlain
Like it already does that.
We do that in insurance.
We do that in common carrier.
I mean, there's so many different areas of law that treat, think Obamacare even.
unidentified
Right.
will chamberlain
Small businesses are treated very differently than larger businesses.
tim pool
So that's one of my first arguments in that when a corporation grows large enough to cause damage to the public, we then come in with regulations.
One bakery saying I refuse one thing or another is not causing massive damage to the entirety of the area.
in the in the in my actual position is look when it comes to the bakery what people need to understand and most people who watch this will probably do they didn't deny service they denied a custom message so the baker basically said you could have any cake that we or or we can custom make one for you but we won't write that and so they sued over it my position is I know a lot of people don't like taxes.
Libertarians don't like taxes.
Taxation is theft.
For the time being, if I'm paying taxes to sustain a common area, common infrastructure, pipes, sidewalks, police, fire department, EMS, all of that stuff, And you are using that infrastructure to support your business.
That means we are all contributing to the betterment of your business.
I believe you have an obligation to reasonably service the public.
If someone comes in and is committing crimes, screaming, disruptive, disorderly, threatening, all that stuff, by all means, we kick them out because that's, you know, an affront to everyone in the public.
But if we're all contributing to the space, to work and live together, and I come into your shop, I understand the argument about the free speech and being forced to write something, and that's a good argument, so I'm kind of on the fence on that one.
But overall, I think businesses should provide a, you know, equal accommodation to the members of the public.
will chamberlain
And I think that's a much closer question than the question of whether or not it's just to regulate Twitter, which I think is very one-sided in favor of, yes, it's perfectly just to regulate them.
I mean, they're a multi-billion dollar company that's monopolized a large section of this public square, and right now, people's First Amendment rights aren't really that meaningful.
I mean, think about how much—Donald Trump has been banned from Twitter for six weeks.
Think about how much the volume's been turned down on him from losing his Twitter account.
unidentified
Well, it's not just Twitter.
I mean, you can go walk down the street and have a different baker bake a cake.
But, you know what, you could go to Parler.
Not anymore.
I mean, I guess now they came back.
But before you could go to Parler, then Parler got shut down.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, there's a big difference between private space and government monopolies.
That's the thing that we need to really, really, you know, beat into people's heads.
tim pool
One of the ways I put it when it comes to social media and why regulation is important is, so like you said, you can go to one baker and he says no, so you walk down the street to another baker and he says yes, there's market competition, you can probably find something.
Even if parlor exists.
Twitter is basically the L.A.
Coliseum football stadium.
The president is in the middle of the field yelling all of his ideas to the people and they kick you out and you can walk a few miles away to a small soccer field at a high school where the local principal is giving his ideas.
So, do you have meaningful access to the president and politicians who are verified and using this platform en masse?
That Twitter actually gives the— like, will put the position they have as a politician in their— under their name.
They recognize politicians aren't using a bunch of these other platforms.
So, the problem I see is, sure, there may be some competition.
There may be Parler, there may be Minds.
Trump doesn't use any of them.
So, are you going to be able to hear the President speak?
Imagine if, when television was invented, or radio, when, if the President was going to give an address, they showed up to your house and said, you can't have the radio on to hear the President, and they came in and turned it off on you.
will chamberlain
I mean, people... You don't have access to CBS or NBC anymore, you can't watch those networks.
tim pool
Yeah, we're, they put a giant metal dome over your house, you can't get any radio waves, we've banned you from collecting this information.
It's crazy to me that they restrict you from even hearing.
Maybe the answer is to ban people from posting, but not from following.
You know what I mean?
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, you can make the argument they already do that, because you can always, like, lurk on— even if you've been banned from Twitter, you can lurk and read posts.
tim pool
Why ban you from subscribing to the president's posts?
Because you said something, instead of banning your right to say something.
unidentified
Well, what they did to Trump is, like, they kicked him out of the Coliseum and then burned the soccer field down.
I mean, he's banned from Spotify.
Like, what is he going to do?
Like, listen to too much music?
He's banned from Pinterest.
What is he going to do, plan a wedding?
Like, it doesn't make any sense.
tim pool
I love when, like, Twitch banned him.
will chamberlain
Like, oh no, the president's going to play Minecraft and espouse his ideology to kids who are building... If Twitch were smart, they would have just allowed the president on and, like, massively built up their platform.
tim pool
Donald Trump playing Minecraft.
What is this green guy doing?
Why is he constantly trying to get me?
I don't understand!
That'd have been hilarious.
Yeah.
You know, I pulled up a meme, but there's no real reason to show it now.
I guess we should just jump.
Well, I want to show it anyway.
We're going to show the meme anyway.
So when we were talking about libertarians and regulation, it's the libertarian ideas and libertarian candidates meme.
You guys know this one?
luke rudkowski
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Have you ever seen it?
will chamberlain
No.
tim pool
It's this very beautiful and gorgeous fox and it says libertarian ideas.
And then the next one is this scraggly looking all messed up Muppet.
It says libertarian candidates.
unidentified
It's attached to their media.
tim pool
I think it's funny, but the reason I want to pull it up is because we're actually talking about bad libertarian ideals.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, I'm someone who used to be on the bleeding edge of libertarianism.
I worked for the Seasteading Institute.
I don't know if you're familiar with that, but the idea was to build private islands that were private areas of sovereignty to create competition.
unidentified
There's some funny videos of libertarian will.
will chamberlain
Yeah, they're out there.
You can find them.
luke rudkowski
Can we pull some of them up?
will chamberlain
You can find them.
luke rudkowski
And then correct me if I'm wrong, the idea is to live outside of any government jurisdiction and you make your own government at sea.
will chamberlain
Right, and the idea that just having seasteading, having an environment where they can compete and people can move around between sovereignties very easily.
Without the law.
Would also just put competitive pressure on existing sovereigns to behave better.
That was the idea.
It doesn't work, it turns out.
I don't think the precept works because there's no meaningful way to evade the sovereignty of major nations.
You can't just have a drug den offshore in the United States and expect the federal government to run it.
tim pool
You just have to have the CIA run it.
Stiltsville.
You know Stiltsville?
In Florida?
will chamberlain
No, I don't know that.
tim pool
So, off the coast of Florida, it's actually not very deep.
It's like, you can walk.
Very, very far out.
And so, or, you know, sort of walk.
You actually, when you go out south of, uh, southeast of Miami, you have to be very careful when you're boating, because you could, you could crash into rocks.
Like, it's, the water's not very, you know, deep.
But, uh, Stiltsville was where they built a bunch of buildings on stilts, and were gambling and partying and drinking offshore from Miami, because, you know, there you go.
You wanna, you wanna gamble?
Found a place to do it.
It's in the water.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I mean, there's... I thought this was America, huh?
will chamberlain
It's done ultimately with the tacit permission of the federal government.
tim pool
This is funny.
When people say this is America, they think it's the land of the free.
We were substantially less free, like, what, a hundred years ago, in a lot of ways.
You probably know this better than I do, Will, but I believe our modern interpretation of free speech is fairly recent, like 1960?
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, it's been, it's definitely been dramatically expanded.
Although, I mean, there was, there was definitely, there was still a lot of protection for it.
Even in, I mean, there was, there were some prosecutions that were really aggressive, like of the anarchists, I think.
luke rudkowski
And Abraham Lincoln as well, when he went after people.
tim pool
Journalists!
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, during the Civil War, we did a lot of things that weren't exactly pro-liberty.
That's crazy.
tim pool
The Constitution became meaningless.
luke rudkowski
People died for their speech during the Civil War.
will chamberlain
Think about the logistics of it.
You don't really think about it, but the entire North and the entire South were fighting, and the opposing capitals were two hours away by car.
100 miles away.
And so as a result, Washington, D.C.
was very vulnerable.
It's surrounded by slave state, Virginia, and then slave friendly, Maryland, right?
Like, you know, they were, I think they were, Maryland was a slave state.
So it's surrounded by slave states.
Um, they were worried about their railroad connection being severed.
unidentified
Uh, so, you know, Abraham Lincoln was like, nah, none of that.
will chamberlain
So there was, there was like, I mean, they're like, we're in a war, you're rising up against us.
We're not going to commit suicide.
Uh, so you can, I mean, you could say a lot of things.
I mean, you know, but Lincoln the tyrant.
I know there's some weird, like, Von Mises Institute stuff from, like, that's like, Lincoln was actually a tyrant during the war.
I'm like, he was in a civil war that was not obvious he was going to win, especially at the outset.
They kept losing battles.
They had a giant mob of tens of thousands of rebel soldiers as far north as You know, they got to Bull Run, which is... Gettysburg.
Gettysburg, Pennsylvania!
tim pool
Man, that's like super far north of DC.
That's crazy.
will chamberlain
And I mean, they ultimately lost, and they probably, I mean, but there were times in their strategy, Stonewall Jackson, they wanted to attack Philadelphia.
They wanted to attack the East Coast.
tim pool
This is the crazy thing, too, about, you know, when you look at what Lincoln did, I'm pretty sure we're all kind of grateful he did it, but it's kind of scary at the same time.
The suspension of, what, habeas corpus, right?
Arresting journalists.
will chamberlain
I mean, it was the 1860s.
It was a war.
The federal government was so much weaker as a general matter.
I mean, you know, this is also one of the things I don't like when people talk about, like, oh, we should have a revolution of civil war.
Like, one, civil war killed 5% of the American population.
It was one of the worst things that ever happened to our country.
tim pool
One of the bloodiest wars in history, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah, like, just in terms of the number of people who died.
And second, our federal government is so much stronger now than it was then.
I mean, the southern armies literally, they just, they marched, sorry, southern forces just marched into federal armies and took the guns.
tim pool
Yeah.
will chamberlain
That would never happen now.
There's no way, like, any state militia would be able to summon the... Well, but the issue is, any modern civil war would be an actual civil war.
tim pool
The United States was particularly unique in its, you know, earlier stages, in that it was a bunch of states that viewed themselves as, you know, fairly equal to the federal government in some, to some degree, or at least, Protecting of their own rights.
When you look at some other countries that went through civil war, notably like Spain, it was just different areas adopting the ideology and taking a side.
So what we would actually see in the event the U.S.
did go to civil war is like when John Podesta had that war game where he said, if Trump wins, the West Coast secedes.
It's not going to be like a federal armory and then the National Guard of Washington goes in.
It's going to be the federal base is in Washington.
will chamberlain
It's not going to be one faction against the federal government.
but my point is i guess i don't think it'll be that easy for whatever side
wants to repel i'd just don't i think the federal did
the federal government of the united states is still even with all its
confusion and what happens is the most powerful institution but it's it's not
tim pool
going to be one faction against the federal government it's gonna be the
will chamberlain
federal government split in half yes he added my i guess my point is i don't think that can
really happen uh... it like that there's
Federal control is consolidated, so it's literally like, what side does the army take?
luke rudkowski
Well, there's states like Texas that have a lot of National Guard troops located inside of them that are openly talking about secession.
will chamberlain
Sure, but I think, I mean, that ultimately would end up being, like, guerrilla warfare.
Like, you could see, like, guerrilla revolutionary type stuff.
tim pool
Insurgency.
will chamberlain
Insurgency, but I don't think you could see... I don't think you could see anything resembling where you had, like, you know, the Civil War was two armies, right?
Walk, you know, of tens of thousands of people showing up public and shooting at each other.
tim pool
But look, don't think about it in terms of what America did in their civil war, because it was very unique in terms of global civil war.
Back then, it was a bunch of different states with state identities.
Today, we're the United States.
Like, it's that line from National Treasure, one of the most brilliant quotes, a famous man.
What's the character's name?
Tom Gates or whatever from, I don't know, Nicolas Cage's character.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He said, before the Civil War, people would say, the United States are.
After the Civil War, they would say, the United States is.
It stopped being plural.
The United States became the name of a single nation, as opposed to a reference to different states.
I don't know if that's actually true, it was just from a movie, but the general idea, I think, to fit into this
analogy is, right now, we are one country.
The states' rights are relatively meaningless compared to what the United States is.
People don't vote in local elections.
I mean, they do, but most people don't even know who their congressperson is, or who their senator is, or who their state senator is, or who their mayor even is.
Isn't that crazy?
I wouldn't say everybody, but a lot of people probably have no idea who their mayor is or who their sheriff is.
But I'll tell you this, they probably know who Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi, or at least heard of them.
Federal level politicians have basically replaced local politicians because we're becoming one country.
So you look at the concern, I suppose, and it's reflected in the decisions being made in D.C.
Why are they vetting the National Guard?
Because they're scared that there are certain groups that are aligned with the Trumpism faction.
They actually do fear that federal military forces might actually split.
Or there could be, like, the way it happens isn't like one day a bunch of people in the army or marines or whatever say, we hereby declare ourselves for Trump Nation.
What happens is, confidence breaks, people don't have faith in the system from mass demoralization, they reject orders, or are ordered to do, so they're ordered to do something they don't want to do, maybe there's a bunch of, maybe there's a town in middle America, And they're refusing this draconian lockdown, saying, we refuse, our people are suffering, and then certain military are ordered to do something they don't want to do, and that causes a fracture.
The Civil War took place over a decently long period of time.
People look at history and they view it in a condensed manner, like, all of a sudden it just happened.
I think, what was it, like 20 years of strife, conflict, back and forth in government, until finally one congressperson caned the other guy, and then ultimately it led to, I think, seven states seceded, and still we didn't have a civil war.
It was only after this session already happened, then Fort Sumter, when the Union refused to bring their troops out, after that happened, more states then broke away and it caused a rapid collapse.
So, in the event something does happen, I think people need to, for one, don't think it needs to be armies.
Like, it doesn't.
It could be fifth-generational warfare.
We could literally just be in the modern equivalent.
We use the internet, we use propaganda, it's information war.
Or, it could just be radically different than anything you've ever experienced.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I won't rule that out.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, man, look.
They're telling us right now that they're gonna give us a $1,400 check.
Well, I shouldn't say us, because it's not coming to me, that's for sure.
They're gonna give the average working class person $1,400.
I threw up in my mouth a little bit when I heard that, because I'm like, dude, I complained about the mass printing of money, but come on.
The American people have been taken a boot up the butt from these lockdowns.
The very least we can do is borrow from ourselves.
I understand mass printing is bad, but if it's going to the people to essentially give them the ability to facilitate the economic exchange, then the debt is accrued by the American people to keep the machine churning.
Instead, they're doing this mass printing of money, sending money overseas, and then not giving anything to the American people for like six months.
At a certain point, someone's just gonna go like, I'm mad as hell, I'm not gonna take it anymore.
They're gonna go out their window and they're gonna scream in rage.
luke rudkowski
Or worse.
will chamberlain
I mean, you know, it could be.
I don't know.
I mean, I guess I'm like... I don't think that's as likely as just sort of continued banal awfulness.
luke rudkowski
Well, another thing to really kind of consider here is I know a lot of people like to see this between the left and the right.
I think it's even going to be beyond that.
I think it's going to be elements of the left eating themselves.
And I think that might even get pretty violent coming up because the level of disdain and unpopularity that this president has is huge.
You look at the comments, you look at the responses, you look at, yes, he was the most voted for president in all of American history ever.
But it doesn't really reflect on the excitement.
There's no one excited about it.
The only thing that they have now is this Trump gravy train that sits on its last drips.
They're still trying to milk it as much as they can with the 9-11 Commission about the insurgency in Trump, but that's not going to work.
And there's going to be a lot of people pissed off, disenfranchised, and I think if there is going to be a further escalation of conflict, of violence, which again, we should do everything in our power to prevent, I think it's first going to foment within the left versus the left, and I think that's going to lead a spark that's going to be very interesting, and I think that's maybe one reason why we have these troops still staying inside of the capital.
So as far as the media wants to always keep dividing and conquering people, they have a debt of accountability.
They over promised and they're not going to deliver.
And then people are going to realize that and they're going to be very angry.
tim pool
Well, that being said, we should go to Super Chats, huh?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
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I think it's important people know that.
Just interaction, commenting, just, you know, engage with the channel.
And subscribe, hit the notification bell, share the podcast if you really do like it.
Don't forget to go to TimCast.com, become a member, because we'll have a bonus segment up.
I gotta stop saying that, bonus segment.
It's exclusive.
segments of the show.
Sometimes they go long.
If we get into like a heated debate we did about religion, it went for an hour.
It was really fun.
And we talked about, I think, what was the other one?
I can't remember.
Aliens or something.
But we do that too.
So now we're gonna read comments from you!
So get your Super Chats in.
We'll try and read as many as we can.
We got Justin Bartlett who said, Very cool idea.
Doing my part to contribute to culture with a weekly podcast called the Dime Store Cinema.
Tune in if you're tired of rotten tomatoes.
lydia smith
Love you all.
Very cool idea.
unidentified
I like that.
tim pool
All right, let's see what else we got.
Matthew Hammond says, seize the endowments and the wealthiest investment non-profits.
will chamberlain
Oh, somebody's been reading my work.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's right.
will chamberlain
Yeah, so seize the endowments.
I mean, I'm really tired of the universities.
And I mean, I'm reading this book, Days of Rage.
I've mentioned this to you before the show, but it's about the 70s weather underground.
And it's the same as Antifa, the same people.
But here's the difference.
They stopped.
They finally came out from underground, got like three month probation.
And then they went to work as professors at universities.
Like, Bill Ayers was a professor at UIUC.
Bernadine Dorn was a law professor.
These people were terrorists.
unidentified
Were terrorists?
tim pool
I mean, who knows if they're still working on bombs, but... Well, no, I mean, the way I put it is like, if you eat some human, does that mean you were a cannibal?
Or are you a cannibal?
will chamberlain
A fair question.
I don't know.
tim pool
If you kill one person, are you a murderer or were you a murderer?
will chamberlain
If I work for a public university, taxpayers are paying for children to be educated by terrorists.
luke rudkowski
Didn't Andrew Cuomo pardon a liberal activist bomber that's now working for BLM?
will chamberlain
That was Clinton.
Bill Clinton pardoned that person.
luke rudkowski
Bill Clinton, I think also Andrew Cuomo in a separate incident.
will chamberlain
Barack Obama pardoned Oscar Lopez Rivera, who was the head of the, I forget exactly what the thing was, but it was the Puerto Rico Liberation Front.
They attacked Congress.
You want to talk about an insurrection they literally shut at Congress?
tim pool
Sure, but come on, Donald Trump pardoned Roger Stone.
I mean, come on, that guy is like, he's like Dr. Evil, you know?
will chamberlain
I mean, I did not like Trump's pardons.
He pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick.
They were terrible.
He didn't pardon Assange, but he pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick.
luke rudkowski
He pardoned really bad people.
will chamberlain
Oh, and the New Jersey fraud doctor, the medical, Melligan or something?
luke rudkowski
Blackwater mercenaries?
will chamberlain
Oh God, his pardons were awful.
But you know, hey, he didn't pardon Puerto Rican terrorists who attacked Congress.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
That Roger Stone.
He was so dangerous they needed to raid his home with the FBI because they knew how big of a threat he was.
luke rudkowski
With the help of CNN?
tim pool
Six in the morning.
And CNN had to be there.
They had to be.
Just in case, because we all know Roger Stone would come out guns a-blazin'.
He'd be like Rambo.
luke rudkowski
And they knew it because of their groundbreaking investigative journalism.
unidentified
Yeah, that sounds right.
tim pool
You're saying Trump won on a YouTube channel and you think Parler's the honeypot?
Also, Trump won MAGA.
I don't think Parler is a honeypot.
I don't think so.
I think they're all tracking you and all spying you.
will chamberlain
You're saying Trump won on a YouTube channel and you think Parler's the honeypot?
I think the FBI's reading the Tim Kast comments, guys.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, so Michael Malice tweeted something where he was like, to the TSA agent who recognized me from Timcast, he's like, you were nice, but I hate your job or something like that.
lydia smith
Thanks for being nice even though I hate your job.
luke rudkowski
Well, they're not reading, they're databasing everything.
And then if they need to go back, they will.
lydia smith
They sure can.
tim pool
All right.
Astronaut Kitty says, is Ian laundering Tim's warehouse full of beanies?
The warehouse is not full of beanies.
It is full of OurPillow.
We have the very first prototype.
If you want to see it, go to instagram.com slash timcast.
And it's the latest post breaking down our, our plan for the OurPillow product line.
lydia smith
Groundbreaking.
tim pool
We are going to be, when we do launch, we're getting the domain set up.
We're going to be running ads for this.
It will come in a box.
It'll be a burlap sack in a box full of packing peanuts.
And we're going to provide very detailed instructions on how you can build your own Hauer pillow.
So it's a very complicated process of pouring packing peanuts into the burlap sack and stapling it shut.
Yep.
And you think I'm joking.
I mean, the whole thing is a joke, for sure, but I'm going to build this website.
I'm going to be selling these things.
And it's going to be hilarious.
And we're going to spray paint the Revolution fist on it.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
And we're going to make them prohibitively expensive.
And then if people buy them, I'm just going to laugh.
Like, because I guess if you want to get it, it's a luxury item, but it's like the most brutal pillow ever.
We're doing it.
It's happening.
And we're going to have tons of them.
We have one.
We have a prototype.
Mavro St.
John says, might not get seen but I live in Portland and I can confirm that any of the snow over here can throw the whole system out of whack.
Anyone who stops emergency services are the real bad guys.
You guys hear about that?
lydia smith
Yes.
will chamberlain
They were stopping emergency services in Portland?
tim pool
Antifa pushed snow up to the garage door of a police station so the vehicles couldn't get out.
will chamberlain
Jail.
lydia smith
Evil.
will chamberlain
Yes.
tim pool
Believe it or not, right through jail.
But no, no, here's the thing.
Seattle is not equipped for snow.
It never snows there.
And it's extremely steep hills.
When I lived there, it was a light flurry.
The whole city shut down.
Buses were stopping.
People were being warned, like, keep your cars, you know, brakes, wheels turned.
A little bit of snow, and these hills are ridiculously steep.
Cars start sliding down and crashing.
So for people who live in Chicago, New York, or in the Northeast, or in the Midwest, familiar with snow, probably think it's no big deal.
They're like, oh, whatever.
The police can just drive through it.
Not in places like Seattle.
And Texas right now, as well, got that huge snow.
They're not equipped for this.
They're not going to invest heavily in snow infrastructure when it snows once every 10 years.
lydia smith
I guess Adelaide's out of water right now.
tim pool
Who is?
lydia smith
Abilene.
The city of Abilene in Texas has no water.
tim pool
Well, there's snow, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, they do have snow.
tim pool
Nate Hammer says, CNN reported the FBI was having trouble bringing murder charges on February 2nd because there was no evidence of blunt force trauma.
And that's crazy.
Dr. Doctor says breaking.
Sources close to Nancy Pelosi state she has admitted that she is actually Skeletor and resides in Snake Mountain with her best friend, Tuck Schumer, a.k.a.
Beastman.
And together, Joe Biden, a.k.a.
Mechaneck, will capture Castle Grayskull.
And the source close to Nancy Pelosi is a homeless guy out back who was about 50 feet away from her when she was talking.
He told me everything.
will chamberlain
I mean, that's just that's really big if it's true.
unidentified
I could see it.
I could see it being true.
tim pool
Bring me He-Man!
I don't know any lines from He-Man.
I was too young for that.
The Sinister Sibling says, I'm just thinking now.
We've got my pillow.
We have our pillow.
How long before someone makes mine pillow?
They actually did that.
The left made a joke where they're mocking Mike Lindell.
Yeah.
So we do have an actual our pillow, but it's just a design.
If you go to TimCast.com and click shop, it brings you to the store and there is just a regular indoor throw pillow.
And it's got a funny little graphic where like the my is crossed out and it says our.
But we actually are going to be making our burlap sack our pillow kits.
You have to make it yourself.
We were originally going to send them to you pre-assembled with staples shut, but then I figured it's probably more insulting to make you do the work.
The point is, the pillow is brutal, we do nothing for you, and it's expensive, but it has the right ideology.
So you have to buy it.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Sonny James says, FBI, CIA, a joke, been a joke.
Now we are supposed to go to war with China.
Why?
Our own government and their state-owned media does to us what China does to the Chinese.
Only difference, CCP is openly racist and selfish.
You can't even defend your own property here.
Yeah, man.
unidentified
Yep.
Yeah.
tim pool
Cole Marshall says, Tim, you once talked about pots being used on places like Reddit in order to push certain ideas.
You don't seem to reference it often.
Why?
Oh, bots?
You mean bots or sock puppets?
I don't reference it often.
I mean, when I need to reference it, I suppose I do, but I'm not going to randomly bring it up unless there's a reason to bring it up.
But yeah, sock puppet accounts.
They're called sock puppets.
They're fake accounts that look like regular people, but they're, you know, one guy will have 50 accounts and then claim it's, you know, different people.
NotHeisenBear says, I gave $500 to SickNicks GoFundMe.
Maybe we can blame the stress of the situation on his death.
I feel furious that I was lied to.
Why wasn't the GoFund clear on his death, and why would you need anonymous sources for this story?
The immediate defense on the left is, oh, he had a stroke immediately following what happened?
I'm sure that was unrelated.
will chamberlain
Do you have any evidence of that claim?
Or is it the same anonymous law enforcement sources that lied to us in the first instance?
tim pool
I think when they said unrelated, it's because they assessed what caused the stroke and said it was unrelated.
Like, did they just add that word for no reason?
I suppose so.
Ricky Bobby says, hey guys, thanks for all you do.
Tim, FYI, the OK symbol, 100% a symbol representing white supremacy.
For example, both correctional officers and inmates recognize it as such.
Trust me, I would know.
Just some insight.
Maybe now it is.
will chamberlain
Maybe that's... I mean, it's sort of, they memed it into being one.
unidentified
I remember, right, like, and it was like... It started as a meme, didn't it?
will chamberlain
Yeah, it was, I forget, Mike Ma or something like that?
I think he was ultimately responsible for creating this 4chan meme.
Because Trump did it.
Yeah, so we're going to deceive journalists into thinking that the OK symbol is a white supremacy meme.
And journalists were like, well, that's really silly of you because now we can call you all white supremacists.
So that was a huge cell phone.
tim pool
I've heard from so many of these people who think, you know, yeah, but it's funny because they're dumb and they don't realize what it means.
And I'm like, dude, the media knows what it means.
They're laughing at you because you've given them a weapon to convince regular people who don't know what it means.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
Why would you do that?
People don't understand optics and information war and propaganda.
And the journalists were just like, oh, thank you so much for doing this.
You know, you're your own worst enemy.
What's this?
Uh, Gigi.
At this point, TMZ has more credibility than NYT.
That's the world we live in now.
That tabloid papers are more likely to send reporters to investigate and find proof than the paper of record.
Isn't that crazy?
will chamberlain
Well, this is actually, I want to bring Jordan in on this, because like, Jordan did, you know, actual journalism along with many other daily caller, daily caller people, like going to riots, and the New York Times are just sitting on their ass doing nothing.
unidentified
New York Times reporter was in one of the riots that I wasn't at, but I heard this story from someone who was there and the New York Times reporter left because it was unsafe.
So the New York Times did not report what happened because they said it was not safe for their reporters to be there.
tim pool
And was it like a leftist riot?
unidentified
Yeah, it was one of the BLM riots.
tim pool
Did they publicly write a story saying it was too dangerous?
No, of course not.
So what they do is they'll just grab tweets from the Daily Caller while simultaneously insulting them as a right-wing, far-right publication.
Tucker Carlson's The Daily Caller, a far-right media outlet, had this tweet.
That's why you know it's fake.
BLM is peaceful.
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Lou Sassel says, we need to shift the culture with more truthful, factual documentaries and movies based on real events.
Use the power of presentation to red pill people seeking these genres of entertainment.
That's, that's, yes, absolutely.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I saw somebody suggesting we needed better, like, we needed some very good docudramas about, like, the Red Guards in China, the Cultural Revolution.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
will chamberlain
I know Poland did something on Katyn.
We should be doing something in English on the Katyn Massacre.
A lot of things you can do, so.
tim pool
So we have Justin G who says, Alright, let's issue some clarifications.
The term assault rifle originated in Nazi Germany.
the media made it up, it means nothing. And full-auto guns are not illegal. Look into it,
please." All right, let's issue some clarifications. The term assault rifle originated in Nazi Germany.
It was created, I believe Hitler coined the term himself.
And so assault rifle is a reference to a selective fire rifle with single burst and full auto.
Assault weapon is a term that is relatively meaningless.
Assault rifle itself may have been made up a long time ago, but it does reference something specific.
As for full-auto guns not being illegal, right, the point I'm making is that selective fire rifles are illegal, but They're not illegal if you go through the arduous task, depending on which weapon it is.
I think you can get, like, an M16.
You gotta fill out, what does it look like, the tax stamp?
What is it called?
The Class 3 form or something?
They're prohibitively expensive.
You can't make them.
So, just to clarify, what I mean by them not being legal is there's no new versions of civilian full-auto.
You can buy existing ones by going through a relatively circuitous process that takes a very long time to do, and then you actually can own these, like, Sometimes ridiculously powerful.
Crew-served, belt-fed machine guns.
And I went to an event.
There's an event called DEFCON.
It's a hacker convention.
And they do this thing where they go in the desert.
They go into the Mojave.
And they just have a shooting range they set up.
It's a whole lot of fun.
And one guy brought some belt-fed full-auto.
And he was like, as long as you pay for the ammo, you can shoot all you want.
It's expensive.
Because, you know, at the time, I think, I can't remember exactly.
Uh, I think it may have seven, six, two maybe.
So at the time it may have been like a dollar around, probably not probably like 50 cents.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I know the prices now are getting ridiculously expensive, but you go to the range today and people are like, I don't want to shoot that much because bullets are too expensive.
Like they're hard to come by short supply.
will chamberlain
I mean, if it's a dollar a bullet and you shoot, how many bullets a minute would that thing shoot?
Like 300?
unidentified
200?
tim pool
I mean, you're spending like a hundred bucks for a couple minutes.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Just like, do-do-do-do-do-do.
Yeah.
Today, it's particularly crazy.
There's a lot of ammo that is insanely expensive because it's just, you can't get it.
It's nuts.
Like, I think 30-30, you know, not particularly common to be completely honest, but it's like four bucks for one bullet.
You're like, you want to shoot your rifle and you have a 30-30, you know, Winchester or whatever.
It's like, wow, man.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
But you can still get some good price if you know where to look, I suppose.
But it's getting up there, man.
Osiris Cleaning LLC says you can't have guns in D.C.
because it's U.S.
territory.
The amendments were meant to protect the citizens of several states from the federal government.
will chamberlain
That's false.
tim pool
Yeah, that's a federal constitution.
will chamberlain
The Second Amendment applies to the federal government.
The right of a free people to bear arms shall not be infringed.
tim pool
Tell that to D.C.!
will chamberlain
Right, like, that's the idea that it's because it's a federal... The Constitution... There are areas where, like, the Fourteenth Amendment was targeted primarily at the states in the aftermath of the Civil War.
That was passed in 1865, the Second Amendment was part of the Bill of Rights, passed with the Constitution.
Like, that's just wrong.
Sorry.
Sorry, commenter, but you are incorrect.
luke rudkowski
Someone's wrong on the internet?
tim pool
Twisted Ninja says, does anyone remember that time that Andrew Cuomo murdered all of those old people and covered it up instead of using the floating hospital that the president sent?
lydia smith
I remember.
tim pool
And we now know the reason he covered it up was because he was worried Trump would launch a federal investigation and it would help Trump win.
will chamberlain
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
So it's Trump's fault.
Yeah, of course.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
It's kind of crazy that we just see it all happening right in front of our faces.
The corruption, you know?
It's just... Like murder, man.
will chamberlain
Murder.
tim pool
He killed these people.
unidentified
His press conference today, he was like, we reported all the deaths.
Or we reported the deaths.
Or he said something really, like, twisted and weird in this press conference.
It was a disaster.
luke rudkowski
I think he said something akin to, they're old people, they die.
lydia smith
Who cares?
unidentified
Yeah, he said, who cares?
They die.
Something akin to that.
Do they die in a hospital, a nursing home?
Who cares?
Oh my god.
lydia smith
These people are sociopaths.
unidentified
Who cares?
lydia smith
Everyone cares.
My goodness.
tim pool
Philip Somnitz says, hey Tim, love the show.
I'm giving up YouTube for Lent, so I won't be able to watch for a while.
Keep telling the truth.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there, my friend.
If you can't watch on YouTube, go to TimCast.com and become a member for exclusive segments.
But more importantly, all of this content from my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast and TimCast News, They're on iTunes, Spotify, all the podcast platforms, and this show is actually on iTunes, Spotify, and all that as well, so if you wanna just listen to the show, we put them up immediately after the show.
Just listen on the podcast.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Then you don't gotta go anywhere.
Andrew says, you talked about HR 127, please look up HR 1.
Oh.
Yeah, what is that?
will chamberlain
That's the election reform one.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
will chamberlain
The national vote by mail stuff.
tim pool
The national Republicans never win an election again, is that what it is?
will chamberlain
Yeah, it's weird how they want to do that after winning.
It's almost like they want to wield their power to prevent Republicans from ever having power again.
lydia smith
That sounds right.
will chamberlain
You know.
tim pool
Bottled Water says, Do you need someone to focus on the UFO UAP task force?
There is a lot going on and if you want someone to help, let me know.
I think we're actually, we're planning on expanding and doing more podcasts.
So we have just Timcast.com for now, but the goal is to actually make more websites.
Off the wall.
But we want to launch a weird and I don't know what the right way to describe it is,
but we want to talk about crazy conspiracies and ancient aliens and UFOs, but from like
a rational skeptic kind of perspective.
So you know, I think too much of the enthusiasm around a lot of these things is very much
desperately wanting to believe it.
So like ghost hunting, for example.
They have, like, the electromagnetic frequency detectors.
Like, who determined that tracks ghosts?
You just randomly decided to grab something.
No, I want, like, a rational approach to what is paranormal phenomenon.
Do we have experts and scientists who can tell us?
Why is it that people experience these things?
I'll tell you one thing.
They say that ultra-low frequencies could be a reason why people have like hauntings or ghost sightings because there's something that's causing this ultra-low frequency sound to go through you which can mess with your brain and then so people in specific areas might see ghosts when it's really just natural phenomena.
We want to explore that stuff.
The answer is absolutely, maybe.
We have jobs at TimCast.com.
Admittedly, it's not on the front burner right now, so I don't know who's going to get to it, but we're trying to build as much as we can.
We have a lot going on that's making things relatively difficult.
Joe Spinella says original intent of the Second Amendment clearly states I should have the same long rifle as my standing army and cannot be infringed.
Period.
That doesn't change.
Government doesn't have the rights and cannot administrate my property.
Well, there's a lot of people with guns in uniforms who will stop you if you try to defend your rights in certain areas.
It's absolutely insane.
Bare arms, literally holding it and walking around.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, so a slight correction there, right?
Like, the Fifth Amendment says the government cannot take your property without due process.
It doesn't say it cannot take your property.
Right, right, right.
Like, people often forget, you know, How does the government have the power to do this?
Like, people ask me how the government has the power to regulate big tech.
I mean, like, have you read the Commerce Clause?
It's a big ol' power.
The taxing power?
A big ol' power.
It says the government has the right to tax you.
Yeah.
So it has a lot of power.
It has constraints on that power.
And really, the way to think about it is the powers are generally in the Constitution itself.
And the restrictions, the limitations on that power, are in the Bill of Rights.
And so the Second Amendment is one key limitation.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
Gareth Green says, I support the right of any private property owner to discriminate on whatever basis they like.
No one has the right to step foot on property they do not own.
There is no right to a motel room.
We must tolerate that legally.
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's a normative claim that's wrong.
I guess, no, I shouldn't say wrong.
tim pool
Disagree?
will chamberlain
I disagree.
Like, vehemently.
And I think that it's okay to say that, actually, no, I don't think you should be able to turn away people from your hotel because they're black.
I think that's wrong and immoral, and I think it's perfectly legitimate for government to put a stop to it and to make that behavior illegal.
tim pool
I think, you know, I've really thought about why we had these laws.
And when I read your story about Lyndon Johnson, it made me kind of realize if, look, if you want to create a community somewhere on an island, or it's getting increasingly difficult to do because the world is just a lot of people and jurisdictions have been formed.
So I understand that argument.
That makes things tough.
But if we're... Even if you go to the middle of nowhere, people argue this.
Yeah, well, even if I go to, like, the mountains, the government still comes for me.
And I'm like, because you're still in a country guarded by all the missiles that all our taxes pay for and everything.
So, look, I get it.
It's rough.
We were born into a system paying a subscription fee.
But the way I see it is, you get 16 years of essentially...
Partially free living, where people contribute to your existence.
You get to use the roads, the sidewalk.
You get to go to schools, and it's paid for through public contributions.
And only then do you have to enter the workforce and start contributing taxes to that system.
I think the best argument against taxes is that no one ever chose this, but... You didn't choose your parents either.
Right.
will chamberlain
And they have the right to discipline you.
tim pool
And I think that, you know, you really can go out into the middle of nowhere and kind of do whatever you want.
I think people who argue that probably have never done that.
Like... I mean...
Which, within reason, I mean, obviously, look, we talked about the story where a guy had a tank with a full-auto .50 cal, like .50 BMG, and I can't remember where he was, but the police got a call of, like, he was shooting into a lake.
The cops pulled up, the guy stopped shooting, waved, and asked if there was a problem, and they go, it's your property?
And he goes, yes sir, and they're like, have a nice day, and they left.
Like, you can live in the middle of nowhere with a tank with 50 BMG full auto, and so long as you take care of all the legal process to it, nobody really cares you're doing it.
will chamberlain
I mean, we still ultimately do live in a very free country, and I'm trying to fight to preserve those freedoms and have them be meaningful in areas like social media.
But yeah, we shouldn't forget, I mean, this is as free as There haven't been many free countries in the United States, that's still true.
luke rudkowski
And historically speaking as well.
And when you travel around the world, you really do realize the few freedoms that we have, we should value and protect at all costs.
will chamberlain
And I mean, it's also, one other thing to be scared of is a weak sovereign.
Like, Somalia, you know, people are like, well, Somalia's great.
No, Somalia's bad.
It's a mess.
luke rudkowski
I've been there.
I've been there.
It's not nice.
will chamberlain
It's not nice.
Nothing worse than living under a weak sovereign that is in the middle of a civil war.
I mean, your rights are constantly changing depending on which warlord is ascendant.
tim pool
Remember when Conan O'Brien went to Haiti to prove that Trump was wrong, and he went to like this luxury resort with armed guards and then filmed himself in the water?
Like, it's great here!
It's like, dude.
Wasn't there like an earthquake that led to a massive, like the UN caused a cholera outbreak and then like covered it up?
Like Al Jazeera broke that story.
will chamberlain
Isn't it interesting how whenever some lib wants to prove that some terrible place is actually wonderful, they show you a photo of the ocean, which is not the country.
luke rudkowski
Right, right, right.
tim pool
Like, there's a bunch of water!
will chamberlain
You know, Anna Navarro did that.
She's like, Africa is so wonderful, view of the ocean.
How about you turned around and look at the actual country and show what it's like?
luke rudkowski
No, I did a full documentary about Somalia.
tim pool
That's what I mean.
luke rudkowski
You showed the country around.
will chamberlain
Oh, I remember that.
luke rudkowski
It was good.
I was on the beach front, too, and met a Canadian there.
It was kind of weird, but we met a lot of crazy interesting people, even expats who moved away from the West back to Somalia.
tim pool
I was in Thailand covering the monarchist versus the parliamentary uprisings, and I was with some vice journalists.
This one vice journalist was telling me what was going on and explaining how she overheard someone yell, F the King, and then immediately went, Like, covered her mouth, realized, it doesn't matter what the context is in Thailand, if you say any string of words that disparage the royal family, it's called les majestes, and it's a crime.
will chamberlain
Les majestes.
tim pool
Majestes, is that what it is?
Yeah, you go to jail for that.
will chamberlain
Yep.
tim pool
Even saying, I can't believe someone said, F the king.
You're under arrest.
You said those words.
That's crazy.
I don't want to live in a place like that.
luke rudkowski
I remember flying out of Thailand and as the plane is on the tarmac, the stewardess goes
on the intercom and she's like, I'm so sorry.
unidentified
I regret to inform you, our king has died.
luke rudkowski
And then it was the time... Wait, you were there?
Uh, no, this was six months after the fact.
So I'm flying there and she's like, I'm so sorry.
Oh my God.
We're taking off.
Like what the hell's going on here?
And she's like, you know, our Supreme leader has died.
And I'm like, okay, can I go back to sleep now?
So it was long after, but still they had this mourning period, which was extremely Extremely long.
tim pool
And I will say, too, I'm probably pronouncing the name wrong, but King Pumipon was apparently a really awesome guy.
He was trying to bring literacy to the poor and really help them out, and people really did love him.
Even the people who were protesting against him, the ones who would absolutely disparage the monarchy in violation of the law, would actually be like, but we really do like the king.
He's a good dude.
We just need to change the system.
So even the people who didn't like it were very much like, he's right.
Now his son's taken over, and that sentiment's kind of changed.
When we were working on a documentary for Vice, they kept throwing it back to us because they were like, the way you've described the king's son is illegal in Thailand.
And we were like, why?
We're pointing out other people have criticized him and you can't do that.
So we had to find ways to critically compliment him, like make it sound like it's positive, but it's actually not.
And it was really, it was really, really funny.
Like, I can't remember exactly what we said, but we said, some view him not as a god, but as a demigod.
And that was supposed to be, I was like, What is this?
luke rudkowski
Doesn't he have a team of concubines?
unidentified
Is that the same person?
luke rudkowski
I don't know.
I remember hearing some wild stuff.
will chamberlain
That was older Thailand, not recently.
tim pool
I'll tell you this, apparently even me just telling you this story means I can't go back to Thailand.
But it's fine because I was explicitly told after doing that documentary I was never able to go back there again.
I was advised by security organizations like, you don't want to go there.
Because the dock we did actually got a bunch of traction and they mocked, like it made the monarchists look really bad, I guess.
So they were like, yeah, they're not going to want you back.
And if you go, they might try and, so you shouldn't go to Thailand ever again.
I'm like, alright, well, I'm grounded.
luke rudkowski
He has a team of concubines.
It's, yeah.
will chamberlain
The current one.
luke rudkowski
Yes!
tim pool
Who was it who had, was it Gaddafi who had those, like, those lady assassins?
luke rudkowski
He had, like, a blonde Swedish nurse.
tim pool
Gaddafi?
luke rudkowski
Gaddafi, yes.
That was his, like, main chick.
unidentified
Who was it?
luke rudkowski
Bottom.
tim pool
Was it Mubarak?
Which one had all of those, like, female assassin type guards?
luke rudkowski
That was the, I think, North Korean leader, wasn't it?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
It was one of the North African dictator guys.
luke rudkowski
No, I don't remember.
Was it Mubarak?
Maybe someone in the comments will tell us.
But Gaddafi, he had a very bodacious nurse.
tim pool
Bodacious?
lydia smith
What does that mean?
luke rudkowski
I don't know, I love it.
lydia smith
Endowed?
luke rudkowski
She was well endowed.
lydia smith
Yes, there you go.
Beautiful.
luke rudkowski
We're bazongas.
tim pool
Redoubt Production says, Have you heard of the West Virginia Mine Wars, a culmination of labor disputes in the early 1920s, started with a shootout in a town that opposed coal companies, ended in largest U.S.
insurrections and civil war?
I don't know about that.
will chamberlain
I don't know if it ended in, I mean, if it ended in civil war.
I mean, I know there was like rebellions and it was put down by the federal government big time.
I think.
tim pool
L5ray, I'm pronouncing your name wrong, I'm sure, says, please try to get Maj Touré on the show.
He's an amazing dude.
Black Guns Matter founder for training for firearms for minority communities.
Ran for office as a Libertarian in Philly.
Super intelligent.
And we did have him on the show.
lydia smith
We have had him!
tim pool
Yeah, he's a rad dude.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, he's cool.
will chamberlain
I want to come out with a Libertarian sometime and argue with him.
lydia smith
Do it.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe Maj.
lydia smith
Yeah, that'd be fun.
tim pool
Black Guns Matter.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, on that point, I agree with him.
I don't really have any, like, you know...
tim pool
We can hit up Robby.
will chamberlain
Yeah, get Robby on.
We'll do it another day.
tim pool
Robby's cool, dude.
I like Robby.
Yeah, he's a pretty rad guy.
I just completely disagree with him on the regulation thing.
But other than that, he's pretty spot on.
will chamberlain
Right, he's not the only person who's wrong about something.
tim pool
He got the Covington thing.
He was one of the only journalists to actually get Covington right.
will chamberlain
Yeah, he nailed that one.
tim pool
Bobcat says, Tim, would you hire someone whose only journalistic experience is serving in an army recon unit, then joining a private intelligence company for beer money in college?
If so, where do I send my resume?
unidentified
That's actually a really good resume.
tim pool
Would you hire someone only with extensive recon experience?
Well, when we start hiring, I don't know, building this thing out is kind of a go-with-the-flow thing.
To be completely honest, we're just absolutely swamped with launching our pillow company.
It's our pillow company.
We're going to run these ads.
I'm trying to see if Ryan Long wants to help put together the commercial.
Hopefully we can just do more ridiculous things.
You know, I just gotta say this.
I was thinking about... I tweeted at Elon Musk a while ago.
I don't know if you guys saw this.
I asked him.
I said, hey Elon Musk, why haven't you built an Iron Man suit yet?
And he responded, building Starship.
And then I, yeah, and I responded, that is an acceptable response.
Like, I have nothing to say to that.
Like, all right.
Cause that was kind of the point I was making, like, yo, you're the super rich guy.
Like, where's the cool Batman stuff?
And he's like, I'm building a starship.
And I'm like, eh, he's literally doing it.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, where's anyone else doing anything interesting to like, kind of shake up the system a little bit, not in a crazy, violent way, or just kind of in a funny way to make things interesting.
Like, you know, the pillow thing, you know?
will chamberlain
I mean, are we all just kind of demoralized right now?
Just because, I mean, I think, you know, I think we're going to start doing that.
It's been weird every, you know, you think about how our whole country kind of, the combination of COVID and Trump made our whole country focus on politics in a way that I think it never had before.
Yeah.
You know, team sports got way less popular.
Its ratings went down.
unidentified
Still?
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Still.
Shut down, yeah.
And so politics kind of became, replaced sports for a lot of people as their primary thing, mode of consumption.
But that's not.
It's ultimately not, like, what produces innovation, certainly.
tim pool
I was thinking, where's the silly commercial?
Where's the silly billboard?
Where's the, you know, just, like, the interesting, out-of-con... Like, just the weird... Like, life's so boring, no one does anything, you know?
Like, everything's so predictable.
Let's make a... Let's make... You know what?
I think we'll sell a bunch of these pillows.
I gotta be honest.
They're not bad.
No, no joke.
Like, packing peanuts in a burlap sack surprisingly works.
I had a lot of people tell me, like, dude, I think you think it's bad, but it's probably gonna be a really cool pillow, like, in terms of temperature, because it's foam, and the heat's gonna dissipate very easily through the holes of the burlap.
Might be a little rough laying on, because, you know, it's burlap, but, uh...
Probably comfortable.
I tried it out.
will chamberlain
You know, you could maybe make it a linen bag or something like that.
luke rudkowski
Well, it's gotta be replaced with the packing peanuts.
I think that would be... Replace them with what?
will chamberlain
With Mike Lindell's patented film.
tim pool
I don't know.
Packing peanuts are dirt cheap.
lydia smith
True.
tim pool
And all we got to do is send people a box with a folded up burlap sack with a revolution fist on it in a box of packing peanuts and instructions and a warning not to use it as a pillow.
And we take no responsibility for anything that happens to you for keeping this.
will chamberlain
I don't think the FTC is going to be okay with that.
Sorry.
tim pool
Saying what?
Don't use it as a pillow?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
We're going to have to get a lawyer and like make sure we go through it properly.
will chamberlain
Right.
You might have to rename the product.
More quasi-pillow?
Yeah, I mean, because you call something a pillow in the title and then you say, but we don't... You can't use it as a pillow.
You can't use it as a pillow.
That's gonna be like, just trade deception.
tim pool
Really?
will chamberlain
Sounds familiar to, like, other discussions.
tim pool
What if on the website we just have something that says, like, very clearly, this is a joke.
It's a gag product.
You can absolutely buy and do whatever you want with.
luke rudkowski
This is why we need less regulations.
will chamberlain
You have to be very clear about that.
tim pool
Like, when they're buying it, I'll say, this is literally a burlap sack packed with packing peanuts.
If you want to sleep on that, by all means do it.
We're just trying to be ridiculous with this, you know?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
will chamberlain
I mean, I think that would work.
unidentified
What if they, like, spell pillow incorrectly?
Like, spell it with one L?
tim pool
That wouldn't solve the issues.
will chamberlain
That wouldn't solve the problem.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
We were brainstorming ideas for the commercial and I was like, no, we still have legal requirements.
Even though it's clearly meant to be ridiculous, it doesn't matter because some people might not understand that.
I had one person suggest, you should say all proceeds will go to some charity or whatever.
And I was like, no, we can't do that.
I'll have to say all proceeds go to me so I can buy stuff that I want.
will chamberlain
Right, yeah.
tim pool
That's literally what we'll do with it.
will chamberlain
You don't want to be deceptive, right?
I mean, actually, you know, that's an interesting, that's kind of how the whole Bannon fraud case happened in Southern District of New York, right?
They went out and publicly said nobody was going to get paid and then Colfage, Brian Colfage, ended up getting paid.
tim pool
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Will, do you want to give any shout-outs to anything?
will chamberlain
Yeah, check out the latest pieces of Human Events.
We got a couple pieces up from Charlie Kirk and David Creighton on the impeachment that are pretty solid.
And please, please, please, YouTube.com slash Human Events.
We're trying to build our own channel.
Right on.
tim pool
Jordan.
unidentified
Buy our pillow.
Our burlap sack.
tim pool
Thanks for promoting my company.
Did you have anything?
All right, sure, fine.
Luke, anyway, no, I'm kidding.
Do you want to mention your social media?
luke rudkowski
Your Twitter.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm jordylancaster on Twitter and dailycaller.com jordanlancaster.
I write every day, so go read me if you're interested.
luke rudkowski
We also forgot to mention that today is a holiday for people who violated the Constitution.
I think it's important to bring that up.
If you like puppies, check out my Instagram.
tim pool
The Constitution didn't exist for the first few presidents, so they couldn't have violated it.
luke rudkowski
Most of the people that violated the Constitution.
will chamberlain
I don't think that's true.
tim pool
The Constitution was written when?
1789.
And George Washington was president when?
will chamberlain
I'm pretty sure starting in 1789.
Really?
tim pool
Are you sure?
luke rudkowski
I think so.
I think Will's right on this one.
will chamberlain
I don't think there was a president in the Articles of Confederation system.
luke rudkowski
I'm going to say yes for my own personal opinion based on no facts or evidence at all.
unidentified
That's right.
luke rudkowski
I think so.
So what's the verdict on this one?
tim pool
Yeah, Will's right.
lydia smith
Will's correct.
luke rudkowski
You mean Luke was initially right?
will chamberlain
Can you say that one more time?
I love hearing that phrase.
lydia smith
Never wrong.
unidentified
Anyway, back on to more serious matters.
tim pool
Well, so actually, uh, the effective date was just before George Washington, uh, just about, uh, one month was when they were like, okay, we got to have a constitution.
lydia smith
So Will's correct.
tim pool
Yes.
Will is absolutely correct.
luke rudkowski
Back to more important matters.
If you like puppies, my Instagram, we are change is where to go.
The t-shirt I'm wearing is a picture of George Orwell that says, Boy Did I Call It.
You could get yours on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
And of course, I'm a YouTuber, so check me out on WeAreChange.
Thanks for having me.
lydia smith
That's correct.
I do include Luke's at on YouTube in the description of all our videos that include him because that seems like a nice thing to do since he is helping us out.
He's a wonderful guest.
I am Sour Patch Lids on Twitter and Mines and I'm Real Sour Patch Lids on Instagram and Gab and I will hand it over to Tim.
tim pool
We'll be over at TimCast.com in the members only section coming up in about an hour.
Thanks so much for hanging out and we will see you all there.
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