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Timcast IRL - TIME Magazine Says Elite Cabal Conspired To "Fix" Election w/Jack Posobiec
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tim pool
you the other day time magazine published an article discussing
the secret campaign to save the 2020 election
Yes, that's right, save.
And I'm going to use only the words they used in the article.
They say it was a shadow campaign, that it literally, they say it was a conspiracy.
And the definition of conspiracy is people getting together in secret for an unlawful or harmful act, straight up.
They say that it was an elite cabal of industrialists and special interests and political elites and media elites who came together to affect every aspect of the election from changing the rules, changing the laws, controlling the flow of information, What would you call it if you were, say, going to compete in some kind of athletic event, and then your opponent got all of the rules changed to help them?
Would you consider that to have been a rigged event?
Many people probably would, but they say they weren't rigging the event, they were fortifying it for the, quote, proper outcome.
No joke.
This whole article basically is, like, They name names.
They're proud of it.
They're cheering for it.
They say they saved the country.
They saved democracy.
Subverting the will of the people through manipulation.
Changing the rules.
And they did it for over a year.
And they go through every detail about how they did it.
Now some of the stuff is innocuous.
They're like, we were fighting for voter rights.
And it's like, that I get.
Changing laws, controlling the flow of information, and lobbying big tech companies to suppress what they deem to be misinformation.
Of course, most of you know that doesn't include Russiagate or things like that.
So it's a crazy day.
It's a crazy day.
We got a ton of news.
We got that story.
We've got Bank of America.
People are now boycotting.
They're calling for a major boycott because Bank of America is giving your private financial information to the feds.
Without just straight up violating the Fourth Amendment.
I mean, not really.
That's the point.
The government is outsourcing constitutional violations to major corporations.
There's a bunch of stuff going on that just has me feeling like, I don't know, things are getting just outright crazy.
And so we're going to talk about these pretty big subjects.
We have a great guest tonight to help us go through this.
We have Jack Posobiec.
How's it going, man?
jack posobiec
Hey, hey, what's going on?
tim pool
Do you want to just introduce yourself?
I'm sure people are familiar.
jack posobiec
Yeah, sure.
Jack Posobiec here from One American News, correspondent there at Washington, D.C., currently in the occupied green zone of Washington, D.C.
We're right there on Constitution Ave, which, of course, we'll be talking about January 6th a little bit.
Most recently, got into it a little bit this week with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, congresswoman, who, you know, I tweeted an article about and she decided to try to put a target on my back.
Didn't go very well for her.
tim pool
You tweeted a simple sentence.
AOC was not at the Capitol.
jack posobiec
One sentence.
tim pool
That she was like, how dare you!
It's like you didn't even, that's true.
jack posobiec
It's just a true statement.
It's not really, you know, anything.
tim pool
So we'll talk about that too, because now she's grandstanding.
And this is like, it became a really big story because she keeps doubling down.
Now she sent an email to her constituents saying, go online and flag anyone who dare oppose me.
jack posobiec
Yeah, after it became the number one trend nationwide twice with first Alexandria Ocasio-Smollett and then second AOC lied, neither of which I take credit for.
They organically kind of came up for people making the connection between Jussie Smollett.
And her response to all of this was not to take it in stride, was not to, and this is why it actually matters, and this is why, you know, they say, you know, we need, we need to dial up the noise, not the signal, not the noise, right?
So I'm going to give you signal, not noise here, is that she's trying to weaponize this situation.
We saw what she, she was one of the leaders of Parler, the deplatforming of Parler, going to Amazon, putting pressure on them.
Now leading to de-platform Twitter users, Facebook users, YouTube.
Correcting her.
Whatever it is, just for correcting her, for criticizing her.
And again, this is different than when, you know, one of those sort of fake news apparatchiks comes out there and says, oh, this dangerous person is spreading, you know, a different opinion on the internet.
This is a federal U.S.
official.
tim pool
Who lied.
jack posobiec
Who lied.
tim pool
Definitively.
jack posobiec
Definitively.
tim pool
I will say that as a statement of fact.
jack posobiec
Full credit to you for actually blowing that wide apart, because I tweeted the map, but then when you went to that timeline, I think you broke the case.
tim pool
Yeah, she lied.
jack posobiec
You blowed the entire thing out of the water.
tim pool
We'll get into all that, too.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
jack posobiec
But that was a huge major thing.
I'm in the New York Post this week.
I'm all over this week on that.
There you go.
tim pool
It's crazy to me that I'm seeing Ben Shapiro and a bunch of other people.
It's like the argument is still wrong.
They're like, well, maybe she didn't lie, but she wasn't in the building.
And I'm like, no, no, no, the timeline.
It was a full hour before there was a Capitol breach.
No one knew what was going to happen.
She lied.
But we'll get into it.
We'll get into it.
I don't want to get carried away.
We got Luke Erkoski, Sean.
luke rudkowski
I'm very excited Jack is here.
He's a former Intel Navy officer who was at Gitmo.
So I'm very excited, Jack, for you to tell us how the gulags are going to be for all of us.
jack posobiec
You know, we used to joke about that, but now it's like, oh, okay.
Here we go.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
luke rudkowski
Here we are.
Welcome back beautiful and amazing human beings.
My name is Luke Grodowski of WeAreChange.org and if you want to find me, you could find me tweeting up a storm on LukeWeAreChange and memeing up a storm on Instagram also under LukeWeAreChange.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
We got Ian and he's wearing a WeAreChange shirt.
ian crossland
I just got my new shirt everyone.
luke rudkowski
Check it out.
unidentified
You can get this shirt at TheBestPoliticalShirts.com.
ian crossland
You heard it here first.
And along what you were saying with something about private companies handling some of this sensitive stuff, I just read an article yesterday that the government will have private organizations do a lot of the high-tech stuff so that Freedom of Information Act requests can't get it because they're with private organizations.
unidentified
It's clever.
ian crossland
Glad you're here, Jack.
Really good to be on the show with you, man.
jack posobiec
Can't even FOIA it.
tim pool
There we go.
We got our patch.
She's pressing all the buttons.
lydia smith
I'm pressing all the buttons.
tim pool
Right on.
So before we get into this big breaking story, my friends, you must do one very important thing.
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We have a really cool bonus segment from the other night where the Navy claims to have tech that can, quote, engineer the fabric of reality.
Spaceflight warp drive.
Wondering if it's legit, because there are some questions, but we set this up because we're going to be talking about how an elite cabal, so saith Time Magazine, conspired, and that's according to Time Magazine, to fortify the election by changing the rules, laws, and manipulating the flow of information and lobbying big tech to suppress information.
That's all according to a mainstream publication.
Now that's the kind of conversation that results in us, um, you know, just being put at risk for nasty platforming.
Cassandra Fairbanks, if you're not familiar with her, she is a journalist over at the Gateway Pundit.
I always do this every time I bring them up.
I don't, I'm not a fan of the Gateway Pundit, but I know and trust Cassandra.
And she published footage of vans showing up to the TCF center in Detroit that say Vote Mobile on them.
That was it.
And she got suspended on Twitter for it.
There you go.
I mean, you can't even have these conversations.
But we can have them over at TimCast.com.
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ian crossland
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Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you to Time Magazine saying the quiet part loud.
No, not actually.
I take that back.
We'll explain.
The secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.
No joke.
lydia smith
I'm tracking.
tim pool
Straight up.
They say Trump was right.
There was... Okay, I am reading.
I'm gonna read to you from Time Magazine.
Trump was right.
There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs.
Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans.
The Democrats, major corporations and CEOs, formed what I guess you could call a lucrative merger between corporation and state for the purpose of winning political power.
Is there a word for something like that?
ian crossland
The word's fascist.
tim pool
Oh, fascist!
Oh, is that the word?
ian crossland
Yeah, let's just cut to the chase.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Okay, I was about to swear.
lydia smith
Don't do it.
tim pool
The handshake between business and labor was just one component of a vast cross-partisan campaign.
But the best part is, just jumping down, because they really are quite wordy in this.
Let me read this for you.
This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election based on access to the group's inner workings, never-before-seen documents, and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum.
I'm going to stop right there and tell you that conspiracy implies a crime.
In law, it does, and the general definition is unlawful or harmful act.
A group acting in secret for an unlawful or harmful outcome.
They go on to say, It is the story of an unprecedented, creative, and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster.
Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated.
The proper outcome of the election?
lydia smith
Interesting wording.
tim pool
What does that mean?
jack posobiec
I love this article.
I love everything about this article.
I love the way it's written.
Huge Molly Ball, right?
I want to buy her dinner.
tim pool
I love it.
But they say, quote, but it's massively important for the country to understand that it didn't happen accidentally.
The system didn't work magically.
Democracy is not self-executing.
That's why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream.
A well-funded co- Okay, I'm gonna stop right now.
My friends, I am reading you verbatim from time.com.
Time magazine.
These are not my words.
A well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage, and control the flow of information.
They were not rigging the election, they were fortifying it, and they believe the public needs to understand the system's fragility in order to ensure that democracy in America endures.
I'll make it very clear for you.
You are not saving democracy when you conspire behind the scenes with powerful industrialists, CEOs, and the elites to subvert the flow of information and prevent the improper outcome as you see it.
The true outcome is to sit back, advocate for your candidate, advocate for your ideas, and then hope people vote for you.
What they did very much sounds like it was criminal.
And I'll tell you why.
Many, I believe that the number right now is 24 states, changed their election rules without going through state legislatures.
Now, illegal is very different.
Statutory law is different from constitutional law.
So I shouldn't say criminal.
I'll just put it this way.
It was a conspiracy to violate the Constitution to stop Donald Trump from winning.
jack posobiec
To steer media coverage, control the flow of information, change rules and laws prior to an election, just as our founding fathers created.
tim pool
I remember it was, who was it who said give me liberty or give me death?
Patrick Henry?
So he was, this was in Virginia, and they were having, you know, this- In-house delegates, yeah.
Yes, yes, yes.
And they were trying to determine whether to join the revolution.
And he stood up and said, give me liberty!
Well, asterisk, we'll come back to that.
Or give me death.
Now, what I meant by that was, we want to make sure the rabble can't be in control of these elections, you know?
So we, as the powerful elites, want to actually manipulate them into thinking they have the power, and give me that, and then maybe I'm willing to die for it.
That's exactly how it went.
luke rudkowski
Fortifying is also a very interesting word here and also the timing.
Why now did Time, and I want to say this too, admit that there was a secret cabal of powerful wealthy elites that were working with corporations, steering media coverage, influencing perceptions, and changing the rules to get their way?
Time said that, not me, don't get me in trouble.
Why now did this happen and when you look at those kind of ... other statements you you're seeing some rebuttals here and ... the rebuttals here rebuttals here are that it was done in ... public there was this was sort of transparent but but even ... if it was it still doesn't make it a good thing.
And when we look at what actually happened this election, specifically with the Hunter Biden story, especially with some of the primaries in the Democratic presidential run-up, you see a lot of foul playing.
You see a lot of things that shouldn't have happened but did, and they're wrong.
The Hunter Biden cover-up story, that's the biggest one.
jack posobiec
And to what you're saying, and we want to be clear about this because the article does this as well, and even with Something we'll talk about later, the timeline matters, right?
Going through the timeline in this article is important because they don't lay this out in a chronological fashion.
You get about three quarters of the way through this article.
I've read it twice.
It's about 6,500 words.
And about three quarters of the way through, they admit that this was something they were working on in October and November of 2019.
Because remember, we're all told, we were all sold on this.
Well, we had to do changes.
We had to change the system because of COVID-19.
Forget the fact that Dr. Fauci actually came out and Birx came out and said, oh, you actually can safely vote in person.
They said that.
As long as you're doing this social distancing, six feet, you're wearing a mask, perfectly fine.
Same as going to Walmart.
It is obviously an essential act that you want to be performing.
So Dr. Fauci came out and said that.
But no, no, no, we were told that this can't be done.
The workers have to be there all day.
We can't allow this to happen.
We've got to do the mail-in voting.
We've got to do universal voting, send ballots everywhere, ballots all over the place in many of these states.
And they were planning to do this even before the word COVID crossed anyone's lips in the West, back when, even before China started arresting the physicians out in Wuhan, right?
They were already planning to change the system to get, what they said, the appropriate outcome.
tim pool
Proper.
The proper outcome.
The mail-in voting change in Pennsylvania happened in October of 2019.
Well before COVID happened.
And I remember, I didn't realize that.
And so I saw this lawsuit pop up and then I started researching it and I was like, wait.
Wait, they passed mail-in voting in October?
I thought mail-in voting was being passed because of COVID.
No.
It was part of a elite cabal plan, according to Time Magazine.
And they actually say this, mail-in voting, to get people to vote by mail for the first time.
It was part of their plan.
Now, I'll be honest.
I mean, we knew this.
I have how many videos where I said the Democrats are rigging the election?
lydia smith
So many.
tim pool
And what I said was, they're not doing anything.
They're changing the rules at the last minute in order to benefit themselves.
We had Sean Parnell on the show, and he said, they're changing the rules because it's going to help them win.
So it's funny.
You could say they broke the rules, but they changed the rules beforehand.
So no rules were actually broken.
Except maybe the Constitution, which is a big rule.
But the problem with that is that the court cases all got thrown on either standing or latches.
So I made a mistake on Twitter.
I said that the vote-by-mail rule was unconstitutional at the state and federal level.
And it was a lower court judge said that the plaintiffs, so this is Sean Parnell and I think Mike Kelly, would have won on the merit.
Uh, that mail-in voting is not allowed universally in Pennsylvania because they have rules about how, you know, you can do absentee ballots.
jack posobiec
It's in our state constitution.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
But it got sent to the higher court, the state supreme court, who threw it out not on the merit, but on latches.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Which means you filed this lawsuit way too late.
It's over.
Goodbye.
jack posobiec
Right, so here's the catch-22 on all of that, and I say this as a Pennsylvania kid, Philadelphia area, that the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court right now is currently controlled by a supermajority of Democrats.
And what they did was, they were saying, okay, Doctrine of Latches, that means too much time has gone by, we can't fix this, therefore there's no way to actually remunerate what's been done to you, and so we're going to have to let this slide.
There's no way to redo the election, is kind of what they're saying.
But, to Sean Parnell's point, and I've spoken with him on this as well, had he brought that case prior to the election, they would say, you do not have standing because you have yet to be injured.
tim pool
Exactly.
jack posobiec
So the catch-22 becomes, you can't file suit prior, you can't file suit after.
When are you supposed to do it?
In the middle of the day on election day?
It doesn't make any sense.
And they've written this in such a way where, and this is why people love lawyers so much, That, you know, you've created a situation where there is no way to find relief from this.
tim pool
Here's what they need to do.
They needed to have sued immediately, and then when they said, you have no injury, then they could have sued and said, uh-uh, look at that one.
And that would have at least been their leg to stand on.
We tried, you said standing, we now have injury, we're back.
And then they would have to be like, well, they can't cite latches because I already tried suing now that we're injured.
However, they might have said they probably would have said the same thing.
Oh, well, it's been a year now, so it's too long.
The law has been put in place, blah, blah, blah.
I want to read something to you guys from the article.
This is the craziest, the craziest aspect of this, which I think is one of the most demoralizing sentences you'll probably hear.
Their work touched every aspect of the election.
They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding.
You ready for the next one?
They fended off voter suppression laws.
Well, I'm sorry.
They fended off voter suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers, and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time.
I would like to see an investigation into what that sentence means.
What do you mean they recruited poll workers?
They were poll workers who were in this cabal, in this conspiracy, according to Time Magazine.
Let me slow it down for you guys.
Time Magazine said there was a conspiracy to produce the proper outcome.
They recruited poll workers.
It's in the article.
I'm going to show you one more time.
It says they recruited armies of poll workers.
What were they doing?
What were those poll workers doing as part of this conspiracy?
ian crossland
What are the sources of this article?
tim pool
They have the names.
They have the people on record.
jack posobiec
Everyone's named on record.
There's from the AFL-CIO, not the president, but the senior advisor to the president.
There's people involved from numerous progressive left of center organizations.
A ton of people from these, you know, protect democracy type groups like Norm Eisen, Ian Besson is someone who's also been named in there.
A lot of the same people, by the way, who were pushing the Russiagate lawsuits, running a lot of the websites that had to do with Russiagate.
I mean, all those ones that sort of started bubbling up in around late 2017, early 2018, suddenly shifted.
Mueller came out.
That didn't work.
The report, they shifted suddenly.
And then starting in 2019, they were all talking about this election, what they called protection, voter protection.
Right.
And again, to use that phrase, there's a lot of editorializing in this article as well.
And I hope people understand that while they're reading this, that they call it an election suppression law.
Well, an election suppression law, if you have a different perspective on it, it might be something called an election integrity law.
Having somebody check your signature, doing a signature match, that's not suppression.
tim pool
They call it suppression.
jack posobiec
That's making sure that that's the real person that's actually signing up.
Checking ID.
This is not suppression.
This is making sure you are the real person.
But they will call it suppression as a way of saying, oh, you're trying to disenfranchise people.
No, we're trying to make sure that election... Look, I'm a veteran.
A lot of people are veterans.
We always talk about our democracy is the most important thing in this country.
Well, shouldn't we take it seriously and not allow shadowy cabals to be able to come in and control the flow of information and laws?
tim pool
Editorializing, right?
They come out, they say voter suppression and disinformation.
Disinformation literally just means information.
From your perspective, you could say it's fake news.
Someone else could say it's not.
It's literally suppressing just information, whether you like it or not.
It could be disinformation, sure.
I'm not a fan.
jack posobiec
Well, actually, you should point out that you are now disinformation.
tim pool
I am?
jack posobiec
Well, no, because Twitter has declared that your tweet was disinformation.
tim pool
I tweeted... I put out a snarky tweet where I said... Okay, so let me slow down.
Cassandra Fairbanks put out a story about... They actually have the video footage.
I've seen the footage.
You can see it online.
It's vans that say Vote Mobile on them pulling up to the TCF Center.
Actually, let me slow down.
I'm not going to assert I know what this is.
I'm not going to say it's one thing or another.
I'm just going to tell you what the video shows.
A black car pulls up at the TCF Center, and a man walks up, and it looks as though something may be exchanged.
Their hands come together.
After this happens, a van pulls up that says Vote Mobile on it.
It's a white van.
And they begin unloading big boxes.
And this happens apparently several times.
Cassandra Fairbanks put this story out, and I responded, I quote-tweeted it, saying, I'm not sure this matters.
Time magazine already admitted they rigged the election.
I'm sorry.
They said they didn't rig the election.
They, quote, fortified it by changing rules and laws and manipulating the flow of information.
Now, manipulated is my editorialization, but it was almost verbatim.
Changing rules and laws, controlling the flow of information was what they said.
Twitter restricted the tweet, claiming that I put out disinformation that could lead to violence.
Well that's a false statement of fact.
They say this claim is disputed.
I guess technically that's true.
Because, well actually no, it's not true.
If Time Magazine is saying it, who's disputing it?
Is the left disputing Time Magazine's claim about this story?
They're not.
No conservative is.
The conservatives are going, I knew it!
So who's disputing it?
It's a false statement of fact.
No one is disputing it.
jack posobiec
Well so what did Twitter do to your tweet?
tim pool
You can't like, you can't share, you can't retweet, you can't respond, you can't do anything.
You can quote tweet it.
jack posobiec
I've got some breaking news for you, actually.
I think you're going to appreciate this.
I actually know some people that got accepted into the Birdwatch program.
Do you guys know about this?
So, Birdwatch is this new community-sourced, fact-checking ability that is an add-on to Twitter.
Right now, you can't see it publicly because they're still kind of in beta mode.
But, it goes into individual tweets, and then you can mark it, hey, this is unhelpful, this is helpful, this is misleading, this is not misleading.
So, my friend who's in Birdwatch sent me your tweet, Tim, and I can actually see from the link on the inside of it, every single person who's marked it so far has wrote, not misleading, not misleading, not misleading, not misleading, not misleading.
Can I see that?
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
He literally has it on his phone.
ian crossland
That's great.
lydia smith
That's amazing.
tim pool
That's like that, uh... Not misleading, not misleading, not misleading, not misleading.
jack posobiec
So Birdwatch has your back.
tim pool
Can I, can I, can I, can I quote some of these?
jack posobiec
Uh, yeah, you might want to take out the, uh... I'm not gonna say their names or anything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So, what, what Jack has just showed me, I, I, I've, I've never seen this before.
This is Twitter's fact-checking... This is Birdwatch.
Birdwatch.
jack posobiec
What it looks like on the inside.
tim pool
And I'm going to read you... My tweet is locked.
Right now, I just checked.
You can't share it, you can't comment, you can't do anything.
jack posobiec
You can quote tweet, so I can quote tweet your tweet.
tim pool
Let me do this.
Let me try and pull... How do I do this?
Let me pull up my other phone.
Alright, this is fun.
I'm gonna read you what I said and what they said.
I said, I don't think this even matters at this point.
Time Magazine just came out and said that a cabal of elites rigged the election.
I'm sorry, they said they didn't rig the election, they quote, fortified it by changing the rules and laws as well as manipulating the flow of information.
Below it, Twitter included this.
This claim of election fraud is disputed, and this tweet can't be replied to, retweeted, or liked due to a risk of violence.
Jack is showing me bird watch.
I have it in my hand.
Not misleading.
According to the officiating source of Time, there was a well-organized group of secret participants in a shadow organization that sounds like a cabal that worked together to sway the election in favor of Joe Biden.
Another post.
Not misleading.
He's referring to this.
And a link to the story.
Another post.
Not misleading.
The tweet is a direct quote from Time magazine.
Not misleading.
A link to the story.
And one more, not misleading.
There you go.
use the word rigged where time euphemistically is fortified the
information conveyed in his tweet is factual with respect to times reporting
there you go and they have still restricted my tweet so I personally
reached out to Jack Dorsey and said Twitter has published a false statement
of fact on my tweet and I would like Twitter to remove it and issue a
statement correcting the record And then I sent him a link to the Time Magazine story.
jack posobiec
Which by the way, they're not only claiming that you're misleading, they're, think of this, they're claiming that your tweet is a potential incitement of violence.
tim pool
Or creates the risk of violence.
jack posobiec
Or creates the risk of violence.
tim pool
They're also saying that I claimed there was fraud.
I didn't.
I didn't say fraud.
jack posobiec
You definitely didn't say fraud.
tim pool
And the tweet is about the cabal, and rigging doesn't mean illegal, and rigging doesn't mean fraud.
jack posobiec
In fact, you actually said that, if you want to go to the next level on this, Cassandra's tweet was claiming fraud, but your tweet was saying— No, no, hers wasn't either.
I thought it was the video.
tim pool
Cassandra tweeted, here's the video we found of a quote votemobile van arriving at 3.30 a.m.
and 4.30 a.m.
driving directly into the TCF Center and unloading dozens of boxes each trip.
This was eight hours after the ballot deadline.
Her tweet doesn't say they were boxes of ballots.
jack posobiec
Okay.
tim pool
She said unloading boxes.
jack posobiec
Unloading boxes.
tim pool
And then she added the context of the ballot deadline.
jack posobiec
Now you can argue it may- My point is your tweet though, you were basically saying it doesn't even matter.
tim pool
Right.
jack posobiec
So you're even downplaying her potential tweet.
tim pool
But even still, they added a flag on Cassandra's tweet and they suspended her.
But that tweet, which I believe is the one that got her suspended, she didn't say they were unloading boxes of ballots.
jack posobiec
No.
tim pool
She said a votemobile van showed up and it was unloading boxes.
jack posobiec
She accurately described what was in the video.
tim pool
Exactly.
jack posobiec
Which we can all see.
I watched the video myself and I thought, This is interesting.
I'd like an investigation to know what was going on here.
Is this normal?
How does it work in that county?
Is this a sheriff?
You know, what is it, right?
What is it?
tim pool
I'd like to, you know, the problem is not one of these, I'll do air quotes, journalists at any of these major publications will go near it.
They won't even watch the video.
They won't do it.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
One of the big problems that that people have, even prior to the Time magazine, you know, confession letter came out, is that people have been asking, you know, honest people, I think, have been asking, what level of transparency is there in our elections?
How can we be sure, you know, we all went to bed seeing one thing, and then over the next few days, that result kept changing.
So shouldn't we as a country, We want to be in a situation where 47, 48, whatever it is, percent of people at least agree with the outcome, the fact that it was gotten to fairly, that the process was fair, that there was transparency.
But every time you ask the question, you get shot down, you get yelled down, you get shouted, you get scolded, you get suspended on Twitter or flagged on Twitter.
And then Time Magazine comes out and we get the shadowy cabal.
tim pool
We got Ocean's 11.
Donald Trump got Oceans 11, but we all got Oceans 11 a long time ago, alright?
I say, I say, that's how I describe Donald Trump losing the election.
As we can now see from the admission of Time Magazine, they were working out rule changes for over a year to make sure that everything was slanted as heavy as possible away from Trump, and they even say in the article they were worried because Trump was still outperforming the polls after everything they conspired to do.
I'm going to stress this one more time because I all want you to hear it.
The story says that there was a conspiracy of a cabal, well-funded and powerful, that recruited armies of poll workers.
Just think about what that means.
That's Time Magazine saying that, okay?
jack posobiec
And I think this is this is key, and I don't know if you mentioned this part yet, that it actually talks about how it's the US Chamber of Commerce working with the AFL-CIO.
So this is your, you know, the workers and the owners actually shaking hands for the first time.
Saying that usually, you know, the AFL-CIO is against the Chamber of Commerce.
That's, you know, the unions donate to the Democrats, the Chamber of Commerce donates to Republicans, and then they battle it out in Congress.
That's kind of the standard way that politics has been done for the last 30, 40 years.
This time around, it's like we're going to join together because we have to do everything to ensure the proper outcome.
ian crossland
Are you saying the Chamber of Commerce was involved with the cabal?
jack posobiec
I'm saying Time Magazine says that.
ian crossland
And is the Chamber of Commerce a federal organization?
I don't think so.
jack posobiec
No, no, no.
They're a private non-profit.
ian crossland
Are there any federal organizations indicted by Time Magazine?
I don't know.
jack posobiec
I wouldn't say federal, but certainly state.
tim pool
Prominent Obama administration officials?
Recruited Republicans into the program.
ian crossland
So I think what it sounds like is that some people know that it was about to get blown.
The lid was about to get blown off.
So they're trying to get ahead of the story and they're trying to do it before sentiment fails for Biden.
tim pool
That's that's that's one theory.
jack posobiec
This is a frame.
This is definitely a framing device, this story.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
So I think that's that's one of the theories that people have been talking about.
But we were talking before the show that it's what I described it as returning to the scene of the crime.
And I think you, Jack, you were mentioning it's kind of like the letter from the Zodiac.
jack posobiec
Yeah, this is what behavioral scientists would refer to as personation, the idea that you leave a signature because you desire you have that sort of primal urge for credit, that to know that you did something and you got away with it.
And everyone in the world can see it.
And yet, you don't have any credit for it.
ian crossland
You can't see it.
tim pool
No social acceptance.
jack posobiec
Right.
You know, to go off of the scene of the crime, you know, BTK used to always write letters to the newspaper or to investigators to say taking credit for his heinous crimes.
If they got it wrong and say, hey, this one was one of mine.
Hey, this one was one of mine.
luke rudkowski
That could be one thing.
It could be also what Ian said.
They could be getting ahead of something that's going to be coming out, or they're just kind of fortifying what a lot of people kind of knew was happening already.
They knew that, you know, the game was rigged.
jack posobiec
It serves many purposes.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and then we were told that, you know, our system was imperfect.
Our system was vulnerable.
We were told that for four years.
Individuals like John Oliver, the mainstream media, they were saying there's problems with our elections.
That was okay when they were saying it.
jack posobiec
HBO was going to run Kill Chain.
They were going to run A documentary talking all about these machines and problems and they went out to hackathon and we're talking all about the issues because they were buying these machines on eBay and going into them, which I never even knew about until after the fact.
And then they memory hold all of that.
luke rudkowski
But now if you bring up some of these problems, you're going to get censored.
You're going to get memory hold.
jack posobiec
It was the left that was already seeding that narrative prior to the election.
And personally, I think that was in case they needed it.
They could go and say, oh, look, this is what Trump did, just like the dipole machines in Ohio with George W. Bush.
tim pool
My friends, I don't think it matters at this point.
Time Magazine can come out and gloat all they want.
DC is occupied.
They're surrounded by barbed wire fences with 5,000 national guards.
jack posobiec
Razor wire.
tim pool
Razor wire.
jack posobiec
Not just barbed wire.
Razor wire.
tim pool
And it's going to be permanent, right?
jack posobiec
So the D.C.
Homeland Security Advisor actually came out and testified yesterday in front of Congress when they asked him about this and he said, you know, we don't need this to be permanent to secure D.C.
We actually don't.
tim pool
Secure D.C.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Well, my friends, I think we got bigger things to worry about.
Yeah.
You want to know what those bigger things are?
Jack, what if I were to tell you that you, as a... I don't want to put words in your mouth.
I understand it's probably obvious, but you were a big Trump supporter.
jack posobiec
I was a Trump supporter, yeah.
tim pool
Absolutely, yeah.
What if they drone strike you?
jack posobiec
You know, the thing for me is when I turn on MSNBC... It's where we're going, everybody.
tim pool
We got a story.
We got a story.
jack posobiec
And I watch Nicole Wallace, and you hear some of the words that are coming out of these folks' mouths.
And it's amazing to me because For all of 2020, this was the defund police movement, and the cops in this country have it out for the little guy, and they're proto-fascists of a police state, the harbingers of totalitarianism, and we need to get rid of them.
You even have people saying, abolish the entire, not just private prisons, but the entire prison system.
But then they'll turn around and say, except for any of you guys in a red hat, I want I want all of you down at Guantanamo Bay.
I want waterboarding.
I want drone strikes.
Everything that's been done to Al Qaeda should be done to you.
tim pool
And this is what brings us to the actual segment and why I asked you that question.
From The Blaze, MSNBC host suggests killing American citizens with drone strikes.
And another story, which you brought up, Jack, from The Nation.
I'm for abolition, and yet I want the Capitol rioters in prison.
They're not for abolition.
They are tribalists.
They view you as an evil other who must be caged or exterminated.
And I know that might sound extreme, But this woman on MSNBC literally said, when we deal with terrorists overseas, I mean, we drone strike these people like American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki.
And then they go on to talk about Americans.
What do you think they're referring to?
Let me show you the story from The Blaze.
They say.
During a discussion regarding domestic terror, MSNBC anchor Nicole Wallace floated the idea of the U.S.
government killing American citizens with drone strikes, something they have done before, several times in fact under Obama.
Wallace brought up the National Terror Advisory System bulletin that was released to all law enforcement by the Department of Homeland Security last week.
The bulletin which is in effect until April 30th warns the DHS allegedly received information that there is a threat of ideologically motivated violent extremists with objections to exercise objections to the exercise of governmental authority and the presidential transition as well as other perceived grievances fueled by false narratives could continue to mobilize to incite or commit violence.
Wallace notes quote there's a bulletin released to all law enforcement earlier this week that there is until the end of April a persistent threat of domestic domestic extremism She goes on to mention basically what they already said, that the COVID restrictions are unnecessary, all of those ideologies pushed by Trump.
The Deadline White House host then said, but my question for you is around incitement.
We had a policy and it was very controversial.
It was carried out under the Bush years and under the Obama years of attacking terror at its root.
Of going after and killing, and in the case of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American Yemeni-American with a drone strike for the crime of inciting violence, inciting terror, Wallace said.
Mitch McConnell was in the Senate then.
He was in the Senate after 9-11 too.
How does Mitch McConnell, who understands the way you root out terror is to take it on in the case of Islamic terror, kill those who incite it?
How does he not vote to convict someone that he said on the House floor incited an insurrection?
The Blaze then quotes a very poor and stupid journalist, Luke Rutkowski.
What the heck?
luke rudkowski
Hey, hey, hey.
tim pool
The Blaze then shows Luke's tweet where he says, so they are pretty much saying they have to stop incitement of violence by inciting violence themselves.
Yes.
This is MSNBC's Nicole Wall.
This as, MSNBC's Nicole Wall suggests we use domestic drone strikes on Americans as a solution to lockdown protesters.
It may sound extreme, but please listen to that quote.
She says, Mitch McConnell understands the way you root out terrorism is to take it on, saying, in the previous sentence, killing, in the case of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American Yemeni-American with a drone strike.
There we are.
luke rudkowski
I like how Noah on MSNBC even batted an eye as she compared anti-lockdown protesters to terrorists.
I mean are you freaking kidding me?
And this is again Nicole Wallace, a former Bush spokesperson, and it's very interesting that she brought up Anwar al-Awlaki because that's one American citizen.
Abdurahim al-Awlaki is yet another one.
He's a 16 year old American citizen that was killed Under of course Barack Obama's drone bombing he was 16 ... years old and then Donald Trump who personally called ... for a raid under his raid killed his daughter who was 8 ... years old so we have literally the entire ... assassination of this family and and a lot of people are I ... mean I remember when when this was being codified I ... remember when this was first introduced and I was screaming ... on the top of my lungs hey this is extremely dangerous we ...
the right to kill anyone, that power, we can't give that to the presidency. He can't be judge,
jury, and executioner. This is dangerous and it's going to turn against the American people.
And now today we have them on national television telling you that it's a good thing.
tim pool
thing.
year old American. He was born in Denver, Colorado and he lived in San Diego.
unidentified
16.
tim pool
He was a teenager. Apparently he was looking for his grandfather and went to visit Yemen.
And Obama, for some reason, ordered a drone strike on a civilian restaurant
killing this 16 year old. Why? Yep.
They said it was an accident.
We were targeting someone else.
Did anyone then ask, why did you drone strike a civilian restaurant, even if it was to get this target?
luke rudkowski
In the mainstream media, no.
But, of course, we at We Are Change, we did.
We went after Robert Gibbs.
We went after Obama's spokesperson, his right-hand man, and we cornered him.
And we asked him a number of times, why'd you do it?
Why'd you do it?
He finally snapped back.
And you can see this in the We Are Change video.
When you type in We Are Change Robert Gibbs, he snapped back.
He said, he should have had a better father.
That was the official justification when the Obama administration was even denying it happened.
tim pool
Here's my favorite thing is that Obama had the disposition matrix, which was informally known as the kill list.
And I think it was Debbie Wasserman Schultz you asked.
She's like the top Democrat for the DNC or whatever.
And she was like, what are you talking about?
That doesn't exist.
luke rudkowski
No, I asked her, I was like, how do you feel about the president potentially handing this power to kill anyone at any moment to potentially someone like Mitt Romney?
She was like, you're crazy.
This doesn't exist!
What are you talking about?
Peter King, a Republican, called me an absolute lunatic and a moron for even believing that there was such a thing.
No one even wanted to talk about this thing.
And then now it's here, and now it's codified, and now it's being promoted as some kind of great, amazing, glorious idea to deal with anti-lockdown protesters.
This is crazy.
jack posobiec
That's real.
Obviously, I can't talk too much about my actual service, but yeah, that's very, very real.
tim pool
The story from the New York Times was that Obama was given what looked like baseball cards of statistics and age and a breakdown and threat level, and then he would be like, kill him and kill him.
jack posobiec
Well, more like the NSC.
Not necessarily Obama himself.
He would eventually have to sign off, but it would be the NSC going up, and in some cases the National Security Council, which is attached to the White House.
luke rudkowski
They're in the EEOB building, but it's a White House organ in a sense, and the NSC was greatly expanded under Barack Obama for purposes like And Barack Obama personally signed off on a lot of these drone strikes, personally executing them, and he even came out a couple weeks ago saying, I kind of regret being as aggressive as I was with foreign policy because I was trying to impress the Republicans so I could look tough in front of them.
That sounds like a cop-out to say the least, especially when you have blood on your hands and you killed American citizens just because of your signature?
When you killed American teenagers based on your signature?
And again, Donald Trump started his presidency Not in a good way either, because he also personally signed off on a raid that killed his eight-year-old daughter.
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
Well, the eight-year-old sister of Abdulmanal Aki and the daughter of Anwar.
jack posobiec
And not only were these, in some cases, U.S.
citizens, but in other cases, you mentioned the restaurant, right?
luke rudkowski
You know, the collateral damage in some of these things, there were funerals, weddings, I mean, these are clearly... One last thing, I need to add to this point, because when we look at these policies, Syria, Iran, you know, Afghanistan, Libya, they're all failed.
But specifically when it comes to the drone bombing campaign, it came out through many reports that over 90% of the drone bombs landed on unintended people.
Killed innocent people that were not the intended targets.
So this is the program that they want to bring back, that they want to use in the United States with a 90% fail list?
tim pool
Are you kidding me?
I gotta add two very important things here, Luke.
The first is, You were trying to call this out a decade ago.
This is nine years ago.
unidentified
2004.
tim pool
You have people in the government who are doing this, and the fear was that as they started killing American citizens, it would eventually find its way to American soil.
The government's been empowered to do it.
luke rudkowski
And now here we are I mean ever since 2004 I was saying though the war on terror is going to be going to be a war on the people and that's exactly what we're seeing these emergency laws being used now turn against the American people the only people who got this information out there got my videos out there were individuals like Glenn Greenwald were the only few individuals that were willing to share These videos, these confrontations with Robert Gibbs, with Debbie Washerman Schultz, with Peter King and all these other individuals as the mainstream media stayed silent on this issue and even denied the fact that it existed.
tim pool
And now the other point I wanted to make is that we recently heard from Ken Cuccinelli that Nancy Pelosi wanted crew-served machine guns in DC.
What you need to understand about the psychotic request is that Listen, as most people who are listening probably know, and many who are not big gun people might not know all that well, it tends to be that those who are trying to pass gun control laws know nothing about guns.
And it becomes particularly dangerous when they try wielding them.
Because you end up with dumb people saying things like fully semi-automatic, which is meaningless, or Nancy Pelosi saying- Automatic clips.
Can we get crew- yeah, automatic- crew-served machine guns in a civilian jurisdiction.
unidentified
Yikes.
tim pool
You know what happens when you fire a machine gun?
Okay, let me ask you, what kind of bullet machine gun does she want?
Well, if they're crew serve, they're probably going to be, what, like NATO rounds?
Or what, 5.56?
She's certainly not saying 50 BMG full-auto in DC, is she?
jack posobiec
I think she was, yeah.
unidentified
Regardless.
ian crossland
She's kind of vague on that.
luke rudkowski
I don't think she knows what she's talking about.
tim pool
Let's say 7.62, right?
jack posobiec
7.62s with the MT40s, M60s, yeah.
tim pool
And will those go through a person?
jack posobiec
Well, typically they're designed, if you're talking about the .50 cal, that's designed as an anti... It's to kill a building!
That's anti-armor, right?
tim pool
So that's anti-armor.
Just answer the question, Jack.
unidentified
Will a 7.62 go through a person?
jack posobiec
They'll go through many people.
tim pool
Yes, and then what's behind those people?
jack posobiec
More people.
tim pool
And what's behind those people?
jack posobiec
More people, and their children, and their families.
tim pool
And cars, and buildings, and dogs.
It's a city.
If she actually got this, this is what these people, they don't care about you.
jack posobiec
Well, actually though, at Biden's inauguration, That wouldn't necessarily have been true because I was there, but you know who wasn't there?
Anybody else.
The buildings are still there!
And of course all my co-workers, thank God, were safe, but they locked that thing down so much that this was like a scene out of The Hunger Games, which I was saying even before Lady Gaga got up with the actual Mockingjay on her dress, that...
tim pool
It did look like the Mockingjay.
jack posobiec
It really looked like the Mockingjay.
And a hundred percent look at the mockingjay this you know, the capital has won the rebels have been defeated a nation
mourns. Yeah, and You would look out onto the national lawn
And it was empty. Yeah, there were Nobody there. There was it was one or two rows of like a
few, you know Dignitaries and then media and then just grass and then so
they decided to put up these little Inter-american flags and state flags and different things
to make it look like there was something there because you remember
Of course, this was a huge controversy in in the early days of the Trump administration about how many people did he
have?
It's right more than Obama and Sean Spicer's going through the numbers and all
But with Biden, there was nobody there.
tim pool
Well, they wouldn't let anybody go.
jack posobiec
Right, you couldn't get there.
So my studio was right there on Constitution Ave, so I was there for Jan 6th, I was there for Jan 20th, and that week, the week of inauguration, for me to get through, it was complete military lockdown, not just on the National Mall or around the Capitol building like it is now, Right now, that was blocks and blocks out, you had to go through military checkpoints, I had to go through TSA level Secret Service screening, you know, the idea where you're they're going through your bag, they're patting you down, they're wanting you I'd have my my media pass my media credentials, and a list that I was on stating that I was an essential worker, this was the building.
And by the way, if you were taking pictures out there, if you were up, you know, hey, let me just record some of this seeing as I am You're in a media capacity that you were being hounded off the street.
Hey, I said you were going to that building.
Get to that building.
You know, I'm recording this for for my job.
This is actually my work.
You better get in there before or we're going to revoke your credentials.
You didn't grant me my credentials.
You know, but that's the level that it went to.
Even if you were just doing your job out there trying to show people what it was like on Inauguration Day.
tim pool
It's always just following orders from the lowest scale of just kind of jamming you up at a checkpoint to the atrocities.
I hear stories about National Guardsmen in D.C.
who are extremely demoralized by what's going on, but it's not like they're going to do anything.
jack posobiec
Well, they're not being forced to sleep in parking lots.
tim pool
But it's remarkable to me that they could literally have, as Time Magazine put it, Cabal, put them in a parking garage with one bathroom and one power outlet and no internet or anything like that, and say, sleep on the concrete, and they're like, yes sir.
I gotta admit, the first thing is, it's actually admirable that the Guardsmen are willing to endure this in the name of doing right by our country.
But it's shocking to me that people would actually follow the orders, and I don't know how else to say it, but that's probably why I would never enlist.
jack posobiec
I will say this, that shows a failure of leadership on the officer corps, right?
That when you're an officer, and I was an officer, you are a leader of your soldiers, your troops, your sailors, whichever it may be, guardians, I think this is for Space Force.
tim pool
Space Force guardians.
jack posobiec
If I'm in a situation where I know my people are being asked to sleep in a parking garage, you know, I can understand going in there on a movement and they said, Hey, let's be here for a little bit.
You're asking me to sleep in there?
No, no, no, no, no.
That's if I'm an O2 and I'm an O3, you know, you know, captain, etc, or lower, you're going out there and I'm on the phone with my major, I'm on the phone with my lieutenant colonel, I'm saying, Hey, what's going on?
This is unacceptable.
This is completely inappropriate.
Is this mission essential?
Is it mission essential for us to have to be in here or not?
You've got to take care of your people.
luke rudkowski
And it wasn't.
Of course not.
26,000 people listened and did what they were told.
A lot of the back blue people are like, they're going to not listen to all these unconstitutional orders.
And I'm like, you have No idea what you're talking about and you have no sense of reality or understanding of history.
26,000 National Guard troops over what?
A threat alert?
Where did the threat alert come from?
Was there any legitimate threat?
jack posobiec
Every time we pushed on it, they couldn't give us any information about a credible imminent threat.
luke rudkowski
It's going to cost the taxpayers a half a billion dollars to pay for all that security.
Close to 500 million dollars of our tax dollars is going for this security theater state.
I know we have different understanding of this, but what it is right now, it's a big security state.
There's some troops standing behind for other reasons and other purposes.
We could talk about and speculate about that later, but a half a billion dollars spent on that?
I want a refund.
I want my money back.
jack posobiec
No $2,000 checks, folks.
tim pool
I got a question.
I got a question for you, Jack.
So the other day Luke, well actually Luke's made references to the Men Who Stare at Goats several times.
Are you familiar with that story?
jack posobiec
I've seen it like a million years ago, but yeah, so it was actually a nonfiction book
tim pool
I think it doesn't for about this like program they did they tried doing psychological
I said I origins the Jedi and stuff like that It was called I think was called like the Stargate project
now in the movie when it opens they talk about how this guy Came to actually be running this psychic, you know unit or
whatever and they said that when he was deployed to Vietnam They you know, they land and then one of his you know
One of the soldiers gets shot and he sees this woman running through the field and he says what are you doing?
Shoot and then all of the men start shooting and they all aimed high and in the movie
They say they found out that fresh recruits Don't want to shoot anybody and often either subconsciously or intentionally miss.
And so they're all shooting high and missing this woman.
And then she shoots the guy, Bill, and he falls down.
And then he has a vision of like, you know, using the gentle nature of their men as their strength or something.
But what was interesting to me was this idea that fresh recruits don't want to shoot somebody.
I'm wondering if that's true.
jack posobiec
Well, that actually is true, and I'm surprised you don't know.
Do you know how the DOD was able to overcome that?
tim pool
First-person shooters.
luke rudkowski
Human targets.
jack posobiec
First-person shooters.
ian crossland
Wow!
jack posobiec
Human targets and first-person shooters were some of the ways that they Psychological training of Vietnam because and this is back I remember this was during the draft so a lot of people that were forced to be there they realized that you had to switch from the stationary you know ring targets that you would have on the shooting range to silhouettes to look make it look like a person to condition you
to be able to pull that trigger to not aim high.
Some of the original first person shooters actually came out of DoD programs.
tim pool
I heard that before.
jack posobiec
And this was also done to be able to start conditioning you that, you know, it's, it's okay, this is normal, this is fine.
Because up until that point in human history, it had never been done before this idea that on a, you know, for kids, right, that we let kids play first person shooters.
And that you're going to be conditioned already from playing these games that that's what you do.
And now when people go into the military, you're expecting it.
There's an expectation that, oh, I'm going to deploy and I get to shoot people and I get to kick in doors and that's what joining the military means.
And so that's why, you know, you're asking, are they going to follow the laws?
You don't understand, right?
We've conditioned people.
To the understanding that joining the military means I get to do these things.
luke rudkowski
They broke them down and built them in a way where they will always follow those orders.
tim pool
Let me ask you, if there was a group of Trump supporters waving flags and they were standing on an intersection and a guardsman or group were ordered to fire on them immediately, would they do it?
jack posobiec
If they were told that there was an imminent threat?
tim pool
And to shoot those men now, stop them now.
jack posobiec
And to shoot?
I think you would see people do it.
tim pool
I think so too.
jack posobiec
If they were told it was an imminent threat, if they were told that there was something about to happen, that that group is concealing a... You would have to explain that.
They wouldn't just do it indiscriminately.
tim pool
I've had a bunch of friends who told me that they never thought it was possible.
Like some conservative friends I've had a long time, you know, from years ago back in Chicago, would say things like, After Kent State and things like that, you're never going to see this kind of martial law ridiculous thing.
But then I actually went and stayed on a couple military bases.
I briefly lived on Fort Carson just outside of Colorado Springs.
And I also lived just outside of Fort Eustis in Newport News.
And I actually asked some of the active duty personnel and they said, They're like, they're not machines.
They're like, dude, it's a simplistic question.
Like, if I was ordered to shoot an American, would I do it?
It's like, that's not how it goes down.
What goes down is someone says, we've got intelligence of a potential terroristic threat.
And then there's someone, you know, coming towards you and they say, that's him.
That's him.
Take them down now.
What are you going to do?
Be like, no, thanks.
No, you're going to be like, I will follow the orders because we're under threat.
ian crossland
A civilian in a car.
And killed him.
And then the mass media started saying it was a potential threat.
They were an imminent threat.
People would not freak out.
They're coming right for us!
Waco.
jack posobiec
Waco.
ian crossland
There would be movements of protest, but it would normalize it.
And what this Time Magazine thing is, if people don't stand up to this, it's going to normalize it for the next election.
And then it's setting a precedent.
luke rudkowski
Well, the psychological dehumanizing programs are already pretty much existent.
And when you look at some of the language, when you look at how weaponized it is, when you look how sensational it is,
it's pushing people to that.
This is why, you know, I had a t-shirt with the mainstream media poking a stick to do a conflict.
I can't say even the full phrase of what I said.
Yeah, yeah.
The shirt got censored.
I brought it back up.
The shirt's still up right now.
But this is happening, and I think this is akin to what we're seeing in time, akin to what we're seeing in MSNBC, and what we're going to be seeing.
And some people are pointing to the fact that these news organizations are losing ratings, they're losing viewership.
You know, that could be maybe, you know, an understanding partially of it, but I think there's something bigger, deeper, especially with the longer, bigger connections that a lot of these media organizations have with intelligence organizations that work hand-in-hand together pushing out this propaganda on the front line.
Sometimes even intelligence agencies writing entire articles and just having journalists put their name behind it.
That happens.
In American media, in international media, and this is something we need to worry about because those talking points, those words set an agenda, set a perception that puts out a scenario that is unfolding right in front of us, and it's a nasty scenario that we're seeing right now.
jack posobiec
And something that we were just saying before, shows like 24 and Sleeper Cell and Homeland that all came out in sort of that three to four year period after 9-11, getting you to think that, oh, your neighbor is a radical.
That was something that's actually, this has all been sort of a red pill for me to go back and say, wait a minute.
I used to watch that show.
I used to love Jack Bauer, right?
Saving the Country, CTU, right?
He's a good guy.
But wait.
Was that conditioning to me?
luke rudkowski
Of course.
tim pool
Did you ever watch Law & Order SVU?
jack posobiec
No.
tim pool
I'm a fan of the Law & Order series and Law & Order SVU with Stabler and what's the other lady's name?
jack posobiec
I don't know.
tim pool
Mariska Hargitay?
The character.
jack posobiec
Couldn't tell you.
tim pool
Yeah, I can't forget.
I used to actually enjoy watching all the Law & Order stuff.
Criminal Intent was really good because they had Vincent D'Onofrio in it.
jack posobiec
Oh yeah, he's awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, that was great.
The reason SVU wasn't my favorite is because Stabler would routinely violate people's constitutional rights, brutally beat them, and it was like a part of his character that he would get the wrong person.
He would scream in their faces and then it would like sort of give him pause when he realized what he did.
And I'm like, why am I supposed to root for this cop?
Who's like, I understand it's SVU.
Okay.
That's like a show are gruesome and brutal, but like you have a cop who's literally, you know, there, there, there, there's like an episode where he beats up a guy and it turns out the guy wasn't the suspect, but he was just so enraged by the crime.
I'm like, am I?
We're supposed to root for these guys?
luke rudkowski
Well, there's a reason the CIA tweets out support of Black Panther and why the Pentagon spends hundreds of millions of dollars, especially American taxpayer dollars, in rewriting scripts for major movies and TV shows all throughout the United States.
We have to understand there's a bigger agenda throughout the subliminal messaging that a lot of times we don't pick up, we don't notice, we're not on alert to look out for You know, the messaging behind entertainment because we put our guard down.
We think we're just being entertained when in reality people are being programmed to believe a certain thing that benefits, of course, the ruling class.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
And you're starting now to see this in media where the last season of Punisher, right, it was all about domestic extremists.
And the last season of Bosch on Amazon Prime was all about, quote unquote, sovereign citizens.
Though I will give them credit because it actually ended up being that the FBI was smearing the sovereign citizens at the end.
Spoiler alert for everybody there.
But, you know, going back and thinking about 24, like, they're probably going to get Kiefer Sutherland back and they'll do a reboot of it.
And it'll all be based on, you know, people with the Gadsden flag and don't tread on me.
And oh, he's got a better, you know, Chloe's on the on the the laptop going.
He's got the flag up that says, the second protects the first.
That's it.
All right, we're calling the strike.
It's him, it's him!
tim pool
Go, go, go!
Have you guys seen the music video for that Taylor Swift song?
What's it called?
You Need to Shut Up or something?
You know what I'm talking about?
lydia smith
Calm Down.
tim pool
You Need to Calm Down.
jack posobiec
I've watched all of Taylor Swift's music videos religiously.
tim pool
She has this song called You Need to Calm Down.
And at first, it sounds like she's singing about cancel culture, about how people on Twitter are just like snapping at her.
It's like, dude, you need to calm down.
And I'm like, oh, okay, like legit.
jack posobiec
Yeah, I remember that.
When I first said, oh, calm down, we should all calm down.
tim pool
The whole second verse is a caricature of conservatives as if they're like, as if the millennial conservative is comparable to the 90s conservative.
And so she's then singing about like LGBT rights and how it's like a bunch of people who are like hillbillies waving signs, you know, about, you know, Misspelled signs, yeah.
Yeah, misspelled signs opposing LGBT rights.
And it's like, that video was probably created by some Gen Xer who's in their 50s, and that's their perception of the conservatives.
And so then Taylor Swift makes this for 12-year-olds or 14-year-olds or whatever, who now will have that perception of conservatives without ever having talked to one.
And so this is part of the phenomenon where we can see the left doesn't know anything about the right.
jack posobiec
It was like that, Kevin Smith did that movie Red State, which is exactly like that.
Yeah.
Where people have their, I think it was their car broke down and they were stuck in the backwoods and it was all these sort of like, er-der-der, hillbilly type people going after them.
tim pool
Hold on, but look where this is... One second, one second, one second.
Did you see that movie, what's it called, where the liberals kidnap the Trump supporters?
jack posobiec
The Hunt?
tim pool
The Hunt.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
That movie is really good.
It's really, really good.
jack posobiec
That was so good.
I was shocked.
I actually started to watch it because I'll watch Lockheed movies, you know, B movies here and there.
The script just killed it for me.
It was so over the top.
tim pool
For those that aren't familiar, this is a very controversial film where the trailer shows liberals kidnapping Trump supporters and then hunting them for sport.
You didn't see the ending?
jack posobiec
I didn't see the ending, no.
tim pool
The ending, like, basically makes you hate everybody, and it's pretty good.
luke rudkowski
Don't ruin it.
tim pool
I don't want to ruin it.
But I was laughing the whole time.
jack posobiec
Ruin it for me after.
I'm not gonna watch it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
jack posobiec
The ending makes you like... I saw, like, when they were on the private jet, and they're going to the island or whatever.
tim pool
The movie's non-partisan.
It's not in support of the left or the right.
It's making fun of the whole thing, and I respect it for it.
But you were saying, we'll get more serious.
luke rudkowski
Where is this all leading to?
I mean, this is leading to literally NPR also calling for terrorist counterinsurgency tactics to be used in the United States.
And when you look at those larger calls, MSNBC, Time Magazine, NPR, it's building up.
It's crescendoing.
jack posobiec
On the way here, RAND Corporation.
The RAND Corporation.
This was the Iraq war organization.
They created the war on terror.
They're widely credited for creating it.
Headline on their commentary today.
Domestic violent extremists will be harder to combat than homegrown jihadists.
luke rudkowski
And also, these are failed individuals who absolutely did a horrible job at what they were supposed to do.
They were supposed to fight terrorism, but they built a whole bunch of terrorists all throughout the Middle East, especially helping resurrect, you know, this new creature called ISIS that was directly because of their government decisions.
But also, when we look at that type of garbage, it's either just utter intelligence agency propaganda pushed on you, or just utter demoralizing crap.
Like today, Cardi B released a new music video and it's called Up and kids who are going to be looking for that Disney movie are going to be traumatized.
Some of the lyrics we can't even say here.
I would love to do a Ben Shapiro impression and just talk about some of the lyrics here.
It's number one.
It's trending.
You get a trending on YouTube right now.
You get that, and you'll be shocked to see that's okay.
That's promoted.
That's given to everyone's news feed.
That came up on my news feed, and I don't care about Nicki Minaj.
I don't watch Nicki Minaj.
Cardi B. Sorry, Cardi B. But that's thrown out to me.
jack posobiec
Well, actually, I can even say that because I have a two-year-old, right?
And sometimes when he'll go on YouTube, or my parents-in-law live with us, and they'll put on YouTube, but sometimes it'll be logged
in on my account.
So maybe I'm watching TeamCast IRL or watching something in the news,
but then they won't switch to kid mode.
So they'll put on a kid show, but the autoplay will load something like...
tim pool
That's on you guys.
jack posobiec
You know, no, no, no, I know.
But again, right.
You know, they're not they're just thinking, hey, let's put on something for the kid.
But then it'll it'll load something from the news or to load something from music.
Now, personally, I mostly, I listen to like, you know, either cyber wave or like lo-fi when I'm, when I'm actually writing.
But I think about that a lot more now is to what he's, he's going to get to the, he can already type by the way.
He's two years old.
He can type, right.
He can actually do, he can't even write, but he can type.
So he's going to be putting words together pretty soon here.
So what happens when he gets a computer and he's going on YouTube and or whatever it is, you know, whatever platform and that algorithm starts feeding stuff in and now I'm starting to have those thoughts.
tim pool
This is tough.
A lot of the big tech CEOs bar their children from having cell phones because they know you can't just give a child access to the summation of human knowledge and depravity at the same time.
ian crossland
Are you going to homeschool?
jack posobiec
We're, we're currently thinking about what, what we want to do.
I mean, I'm Catholic, so there are, you need to homeschool.
There's a lot of, well, there's a lot of options, right?
There's cat, there's Catholic schools, there's Catholic co-ops like pods that they have a different power series.
Um, yeah, there's different, there's different, uh, I thought you said Montessori, Montessori.
Yeah, no, but or, or homeschool, you know, we're, we're currently thinking about what we want to do, what makes sense for us.
ian crossland
Because when he goes to kindergarten, some kid's gonna have an iPhone with no locks on it.
It's just gonna happen.
Unless the school bans it all, but even then, they probably got one in their backyard.
jack posobiec
That's the thing, though, is what kind of school, what's their standard on that?
Do they have a rule about that?
tim pool
I think I was lucky because I went from kindergarten to the end of fifth grade at Catholic school, which was very uptight and strict.
And then 6th, 7th, and 8th was public grade school, which was a bunch of kids with no rules in gangs, getting drunk and smoking pot.
And so that mixture of, like, realities I think was really good for me.
jack posobiec
You got to see both sides of the coin.
tim pool
Yeah, and I started with the more strict, you know, like, the kids at the school would cry if they forgot their homework.
Like, it was really, everyone wore ties, you had to wear your tie, if you didn't have your tie you got a misconduct slip, kids would cry.
jack posobiec
Yeah, no, I remember that.
tim pool
Yeah, you go to public school, and the kids would be like, the teacher would be like, can you turn your homework in?
I didn't do it.
Well, you're gonna get a zero.
unidentified
And?
luke rudkowski
Okay, they'd walk away.
tim pool
That was public school.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I had a huge, huge, big difference when I came from Poland.
Poland, it was, you know, everything was very nice, and people were always cordial to you, people were always talking to you, respectful of you, too.
public New York City school where you would fight someone and the teachers would cheer on I'm not even joking I'm not even exaggerating like they were there's just fights and teachers just watch and place bets and like who's gonna win yeah Michael Malice has a great line about that or not great but it's the way he always says those quips where he says you know public schools may be the one place where you actually face violence yeah they're little prisons that's what he says yeah So I have a question for you guys.
tim pool
Should we be serious or snarky in the next segment?
The next story we can jump to.
We have one that's like really serious.
What's the story?
jack posobiec
You can't say that without... Oh, you're picking which.
luke rudkowski
I say snark.
tim pool
We've got a story that's silly and nonsensical and funny, and then we've got one that's serious and alarming.
jack posobiec
No, I say go to serious and then get to silly.
luke rudkowski
Well, we were pretty serious already.
So we have something to... We could go to snarky and then go serious again.
jack posobiec
No, I want to go back.
tim pool
Let me just ask you what you prefer to talk about.
Bank of America is giving away people's private information to work with the Feds.
Scary stuff.
jack posobiec
Well, that kind of ties into what we're already saying.
tim pool
Right, right.
So that's why I was like, we could just, you know, carry on.
We could talk about David Hogg starting a pillow company.
unidentified
Yeah, what's up with that?
I heard some interesting developments around that.
jack posobiec
I'm going to throw out that I said, what are they going to call it?
Crypillow?
tim pool
All right, let's talk about Bank of America.
I think we got the joke out of David Huck starting.
I will say something briefly on the pillow thing.
They say, I guess, they want to put my pillow out of business.
They're not going to.
My pillow advertises on Fox News.
David Hogg is just not competing with my pillow.
ian crossland
This whole, like, doing things to get someone else is like, vote for Biden so that you can screw Trump.
Make a pillow company so you can put that one out of bed.
That's not how reality functions.
jack posobiec
He does understand, by the way, that there are other pillow companies already, right?
Like, every other pillow company is trying to put my pillow out of business.
That's how business works, right?
There's a problem with like socialists don't understand how business works that yes, there are lots of pillow companies that compete with Mike Lindell.
That's that's not how we were his you are not going to get his audience because Mike Lindell's audience buys his pillows for number one, by the way, I actually have my pillow.
tim pool
I like it.
jack posobiec
It's really good.
Yeah, it's like this is what I I wish I had more than one.
tim pool
I can't stand how the left lies about the pillow because they don't like him.
They're like, it's awful.
Oh, like there was one article with like, I bought the pillow and it was the worst thing ever.
And this one was like, my boy, this female writer's like, my boyfriend said, what is this trash?
And why did you buy it?
It's like, I was at Walmart and I saw the, my pillow thing.
And I laughed and I was like, yeah, throw it in the, throw it in the, you know, in the cart.
And then I got it back and I was like, well, first of all, I would recommend you need more than one pillow, but.
Two pillows.
Two regular pillows.
It's okay.
But a regular pillow and a MyPillow is actually really nice.
jack posobiec
That's actually what I do.
That's actually what I do.
ian crossland
Two pillows, one sack?
Do you put both your pillows in one pillowcase?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Two pillows, one sack.
That's where it's at.
tim pool
Here we are doing a MyPillow promo.
I use it for my knees.
That's what all this is, by the way.
jack posobiec
Mike just wants us to sell his pillows for him.
tim pool
You can criticize the guy.
I don't care.
I'm not gonna stand for the guy.
But it's a pillow, dude.
It's annoying to me that the culture war extends to like, oh, I hate that movie because it was this or that, because it had the wrong race of character in it or something.
unidentified
Whatever.
tim pool
Who cares?
Was the movie good or was the movie bad?
jack posobiec
That's why they went after, um, oh, what was the film?
Where they were, where it was actually the point of the film
was the fact that it was reincarnation.
unidentified
And I thought you were gonna bring up Tropic Thunder and Robert Downey Jr.
jack posobiec
No, not Tropic Thunder.
tim pool
I love that movie.
jack posobiec
But it was, it was reincarnation, but it was all the same actors.
And so they wanted to, it was Tom Hanks.
unidentified
Oh, Atlas, Cloud Atlas.
ian crossland
Thank you.
jack posobiec
I saw that like nine times in the theaters.
I love that film I think that was that's one of the movies were number one It's better than the books actually read the book as well, but the whole point of it was that It was talking about how humans have shared experiences and how something that affects one person in one time can affect another person that you might never even meet in the future.
That was the whole point that they had the same actors going through and playing, but then they trashed the movie.
It ended up not doing well because the Rotten Tomatoes score wasn't great.
Oh, that's right.
I remember that.
same actors and they would have a European actor played an Asian character.
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
jack posobiec
I remember that.
And they were going the other way around where an Asian actor was playing a European character.
But that wasn't the point.
tim pool
My favorite thing was when I worked for Fusion, which was the ABC Univision joint venture.
And Ghost in the Shell, the movie was coming out with Scarlett Johansson playing Motoko
Are you familiar with Ghost in the Shell?
Japanese but you're familiar with Ghost in the Shell? Yeah.
For those that aren't familiar in the sci-fi world of Ghost in the
Shell. But she's a robot.
Exactly. Your soul, your ghost, could be transferred to a prosthetic body.
So one of the themes is transhumanism, that you're literally, this woman was born Asian, and then when she was hit by a car or something, they transferred her consciousness into a prosthetic body, which was now ethnically ambiguous, or in the movie, played by Scarlett Johansson.
So at Fusion, They all started going like, oh, this is good, we can write about this, this is gonna be so, oh man, how could they do that?
And I was in there, and I'm like, oh, actually, it's the theme of the show, that you can transcend bodies and be whoever you want.
It's actually fairly pro, like, you know.
jack posobiec
It's kind of similar to Altered Carbon.
tim pool
Right, it's actually pro social justice.
lydia smith
Anti-racial, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, and they were like, no, no, they're getting a white actress to play a Japanese woman.
I'm like, she's a robot.
She has a prosthetic body, her ghost is in the shell.
ian crossland
Jumanji.
I mean, let's just take it to Jumanji.
Hey, you brought up Tropic Thunder, I want to point out.
Robert Downey Jr.
Not in blackface in Tropic Thunder.
jack posobiec
He was the last guy to get away with it.
ian crossland
That blackface is a specific art form.
jack posobiec
Never again.
He was the last one.
ian crossland
There's a specific art form called blackface where you have a circular area of black on your face.
It's not when you paint your entire skin and body.
That's not blackface.
Yeah, and they wore white hand gloves.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
It's a specific art form called Blackface.
This other stuff is not Blackface.
tim pool
But now it's become that.
ian crossland
Well, it's not.
jack posobiec
This is a big thing in the new... I was saying earlier that I'm reading the Ready Player Two, which is the sequel to Ready Player One, where in the new version of the OASIS, which is this massive virtual reality network that everyone is using in the future, they've now come up with a new update for it where instead of just logging in... No, you don't log in.
It's basically Neuralink plus virtual reality.
So that the new thing it straight up chip in your brain and that and that every experience you have in virtual reality it's fully sensuous all all of your senses are actuated in this but you can also record things in real life and then this becomes a popular thing to do where you can go on to so sims are recordings of things in the simulation but rex are recordings of other people's experiences That you can experience, you can experience.
And so if you want to get high on heroin, uh, that, which is actually something that the main character, he ends up doing because it turns out his mother died of a heroin overdose.
So he never did heroin, but he started to become interested.
What, what is it like when I'm on heroin?
Why did my mother go and do this?
Why did she choose this life over living with me?
And it's this whole huge character thing.
So he ends up going and doing it and having that experience, but without any of the physiological, uh, restrictions on it.
tim pool
So instead of doing snarky or crazy, I think we did a little bit of both.
Let's do somewhat serious, but more interesting.
We have this from entrepreneur.com.
Cool.
Neuralink could begin testing human brain implants this year, says Elon Musk.
Implants grafted into the brain and spinal cord seek to be able to correct paralysis and cure Alzheimer's.
I'll just say this.
Dude, the idea that we could Neuralink and repair the nerve damage from someone's spine and give them the ability to walk, Coolest thing I've ever heard, but you want to know what is also very cool.
Not as cool as helping those who are paralyzed, but up there, Elon Musk says Neuralink has wired up a monkey to play video games using its mind.
jack posobiec
Did he say which game it was though?
That's what I want to know.
tim pool
I'm hoping it was Mario Brothers.
luke rudkowski
Probably Minecraft.
jack posobiec
Mario Brothers and Mario Kart.
tim pool
Mario Bros.
jack posobiec
Like the original where not Mario Kart. They're not a we don't have the technology for Mario
Mario Brothers the original original with Mario and Luigi and you get to punch bricks or where you're fighting
ian crossland
That's the one way to punch bricks the one we're no no no no no Super Mario Super Mario Brothers
jack posobiec
Right first one's called Mario Brothers. I'm talking about actually fighting Luigi. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you're versus
ian crossland
each other I'm talking about
tim pool
I'm talking about the monkeys playing a game where you get a dude to jump on turtles and crush them to death and punch bricks.
That game is brutal.
ian crossland
You can't punch bricks in Super Mario Brothers.
tim pool
Yes, you can.
jack posobiec
You headbutt him.
ian crossland
You jump and hit him.
tim pool
No, that's not true.
The animation is Mario jumping and raising his fist and punching the brick.
Oh, you're right, yeah.
ian crossland
Upward thrust.
unidentified
It is.
ian crossland
Up punch.
tim pool
Yes, when he jumps, his fist goes up and he punches the brick.
jack posobiec
Interesting.
Nerjick.
ian crossland
Why do you think they give him punches in later games?
People also think he's spitting fireballs.
jack posobiec
Yes.
tim pool
That is.
Wow.
ian crossland
Why do you think they give him punches in later games?
I wonder how many people get that wrong on like who wants to be a millionaire.
tim pool
Oh for sure.
ian crossland
He's not bashing his head.
tim pool
People think he headbutts it.
People also think he's spitting fireballs.
His hand goes up.
jack posobiec
Oh he's throwing fireballs.
He's definitely throwing fireballs.
tim pool
So in later games, you can butt stomp and punch bricks, straight up.
Like in the later Mario's, he actually can punch.
But in the original, he runs and jumps.
It's a brutal game.
You're running around as a dude, punching brick boxes and shattering them.
ian crossland
Getting high on mushrooms.
tim pool
Getting high on mushrooms, punching bricks, stomping turtles.
Game's crazy.
Anyway, anyway.
jack posobiec
Lucas is talking about the social conditioning of video games.
luke rudkowski
What does Mario Kart make you do?
What's the subliminal messaging there?
You gotta save a princess.
tim pool
When you're enlisting, they're like, what video game have you played the most?
And then they have like a unit of guys in like Call of Duty and they're like training for combat.
And then they have people who said Super Mario Brothers and they're running around kicking turtles and doing mushrooms.
But okay, anyway, the news... The mushrooms are a telltale.
jack posobiec
And you take the mushroom and you grow.
tim pool
It's a reference to Alice in Wonderland.
jack posobiec
Yeah, it's Alice in Wonderland.
And going down the... Right.
tim pool
A lot of people don't know that, so the mushrooms is a reference to Alice in Wonderland.
ian crossland
Amanita muscaria.
It's the red and white mushroom.
tim pool
Let's get a little bit serious.
Check this out.
Elon Musk teased that Neuralink could begin implanting computer chips later this year.
Quote, Neuralink is working very hard to ensure implant safety and is in close communication with the FDA.
If things go well, we may be able to do initial human trials later this year.
The statement came in response to a comment from a user who asked him to participate in human testing.
Or who asked... Yes.
I was in a car accident 20 years ago, and since then I've been paralyzed from the shoulders.
I am always available for clinical studies at Neuralink, wrote Hamun Kamai on the social network.
Dude, legit?
Hook him up.
Days before, Musk assured that Neuralink already has a laboratory monkey with a chip implanted in its skull.
You can play video games with your mind, said the owner of SpaceX.
The short-term goal of the Neuralink project is to solve brain and spinal injuries, while in the long-term, it would seek human-slash-AI symbiosis.
I'm not entirely sure what video game they're playing.
They say, it's not an unhappy monkey.
He's at during a talk on Clubhouse.
A new social media, we know what that is.
You can't even see where the neural implant was put in, except that he's got a slight-like dark mohawk.
The billionaire who spoke about space travel, colonies, etc.
said he was playing Mind Pong with each other.
That would be pretty cool to ask.
What's that?
jack posobiec
So it's Pong.
tim pool
Pong.
Yeah, that's what I wanted to figure out.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That means, that's rudimentary.
ian crossland
Dude, I'm playing Mind Pong with you right now.
tim pool
What if you can control the mouse on your computer?
Click things, open things, pull up videos just by thinking it.
ian crossland
Like, you won't even need a mouse pointer.
You'll just know, you'll just point, you'll just click every, you'll be clicking it with your thoughts.
jack posobiec
So I have, uh, I'm ready for AI to just take over.
Let's just guys, maybe they already did.
Take the keys.
You know, we, we, we already have shadowy cabals that are running our country.
So let's just hand it over.
Let's just hand it over.
Skynet, the T-1000s.
Let's do it.
tim pool
What if it happened a long time ago?
jack posobiec
Yeah, we're already in that.
Well, that's also simulation theory.
tim pool
So are you going to get the Neuralink, Jack?
jack posobiec
Plug me in, baby.
Let's do it.
unidentified
For real?
jack posobiec
Plug me right in.
No, I wouldn't do it.
unidentified
No way.
jack posobiec
No way.
tim pool
I don't know.
jack posobiec
Unless if I was in that situation where, God forbid, and you know, my wife always hates when I talk about hypothesis.
Don't say that.
Don't say that.
tim pool
It's bad luck.
jack posobiec
Knock on wood.
Yeah, knock on wood, right?
luke rudkowski
It's Eastern Europe.
jack posobiec
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
She doesn't want me to do that ever.
But, sweetheart, if you're listening.
Earmuffs.
tim pool
It's for entertainment, earmuffs.
jack posobiec
Were I in that situation, where I was paralyzed, having been in a car accident, when you hear those situations, yeah.
I would totally sign up to be one of the tests.
I would absolutely do that.
ian crossland
Just to put your wife at ease.
It's like saying, if you were cold, would you put on a jacket?
I mean, it's so obvious.
unidentified
Don't say that.
jack posobiec
I don't want to be cold.
I don't want to ever be cold.
Never again.
I don't mean to interrupt you, but of course.
unidentified
No, I know.
jack posobiec
You're exactly right.
That's where I'm coming from.
But she's like, don't even say it.
Don't even say it.
tim pool
But think about right now, they're at the level of Pong, right?
Well, we were at Pong levels, what, 40 years ago?
50?
50?
When did Pong come out?
ian crossland
1978 or something.
unidentified
70s.
jack posobiec
Yeah, I think it was the 70s.
tim pool
So about 40 or so years ago, we had Pong come out.
Now we have virtual reality, you know, Skyrim in 120 frames or whatever.
You've got a really good computer.
And you can actually go into VR worlds and draw the bow and the graphics are way better.
Not like Skyrim has the best graphics in the world, I'll be honest.
But video games have come a long way.
Where is Neuralink video game technology going to be in 40 or 50 years?
Are you going to be able to plug in and then experience, like you were mentioning with the Rex?
jack posobiec
Well, that's Ready Player One and Two.
That's the whole world is...
And they actually get into the morality of it, how for people that might be low income, for people in poverty, it's actually, this is the main character, he grows up living in these, like, trailer park in the Midwest, that for him, it's an escape from the ennui of his daily existence that he's, I know, right, $12 right there.
Love it.
That he's able to get into and now in, but in, in this world, you're, you know, you're the star of your own universe.
You can go visit castles and nights and everything, whereas you're living in the slums.
tim pool
Let's be real.
Like, you know, I run this show.
I've got a bunch of channels called Timcast, a bunch of followers and awesome people who watch.
I would still much love to be, I still play Skyrim.
I just started, I started a new Skyrim run down on some mods.
I'd love to plug in and just go to a magical world and be some random dude throwing fireballs at dragons, man.
That'd be fun.
ian crossland
We're gonna get advanced enough where you can be playing Skyrim right now and still having this conversation.
tim pool
One eye is like spazzing.
ian crossland
You probably have like 70 video games going at once as you're having a conversation.
Yeah, it's gonna allow us to... Okay, assuming you're fine and nothing bad happens, all good, because you're probably gonna be fine.
Will you get the Neuralink if it seems to work and five years go by and people start getting it and they get like superhuman intelligence and interoperability with the internet?
Telepathy?
Yeah, seemingly.
jack posobiec
I just, no.
Because when I hear stories about Time Mag...
And when I hear stories about the moneyed powers work together to ensure the proper outcome, I just don't... I think of all the ways that this could be abused.
I think of all the ways that... Viruses.
Right, right, right.
Not just from, you know, the elite, quote unquote, but from, you know, just any bad actors that want to get involved with this thing or get into this thing, you know... Could you imagine getting brain hacked?
tim pool
Like, it's a thing he does in the show.
jack posobiec
Please do not brainhack me.
Please do not brainhack me.
unidentified
When you guys have your brain chips, I'm going to be in the middle of the woods by myself.
jack posobiec
Any tweets of mine that people don't like, I was brainhacked.
unidentified
Yes.
jack posobiec
Yeah, I was brainhacked.
ian crossland
You could, like, control animals with your brainhacking, though.
tim pool
They have to implant the animals, too, but you probably could.
They can remote control cockroaches.
You ever see that?
unidentified
Ew.
tim pool
Yeah, so they can put a thing on a cockroach that affects its sensory.
jack posobiec
Can you do a lot of them at once?
Because I can think of a lot of people I'd like to send remote control cockroaches at.
tim pool
They can remote control humans.
They did a test where they were able to shift the sense of balance through equilibrium.
jack posobiec
So what happens is... So you have to go in a certain direction.
tim pool
So you feel like you're falling, right?
And so you start moving to try and to try to compensate.
Yup.
And they're like, they're laughing.
And like you put on a headset or something, dude, it crazy stuff is on the horizon, man.
Back in 2011, I, me, me and some friends bought a consumer grade.
It's called an extra electroencephalogram or an EEG.
I think it's called as you do a headband as one does.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
It's a headband and it's got a thing that goes in your head and it measures brainwaves.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
tim pool
And so, this is crazy.
We opened up a program that can detect the brain waves, and then me and my friend, we put it on, and you try to control the wave to make it go up and make it go down.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
And it's like random.
And we couldn't do it.
And I was like, I don't believe this is legit.
I can't believe it works.
We gave it to his sister, and she was like, so you want me to make it go up?
And it went straight up.
And we were like, whoa.
And she goes, and now make it go down?
And it went down.
And we were like, Whoa, how do you do that?
And she was like, I just thought to make it happen.
And it took her no time at all to figure it out.
What we wanted to do was make a mind-controlled drone.
But because of the limitations of the EEG we had, it only had two axes.
So we could make it rotate, and go up and down.
And I was like, that's all we need.
The problem?
If I put it on, I could not control it, because my brain is like, I don't understand this.
It would be like, if you've never gone skateboarding, you stand on a skateboard, you're like, you're gonna fall.
So if we could actually get to the point, the technology is still easily available.
If not, it's been dramatically upgraded in the past 10 years.
But we theoretically had the tech because all you had to do was write a simple code to synchronize their existing consumer technology showing the wave going up and down with the function of increasing and decreasing power to the drone's rotors.
And that was not through an implant.
You just had to put it on, like a headband, and you could make that happen.
And then control a drone.
You could theoretically think Like, the plan was this.
It's all possible.
You would think to go up or down.
It could go up and down.
And then you would think to spin, and it would spin in one direction.
So then you could, like, aim it, and then come down, and then go up, and then rotate again.
ian crossland
Kind of like moving your body around.
Like, you think that your hands... Like, that's how we move our bodies.
It's a thought process.
tim pool
Right.
It's the weird thing is, though, we can feel ourselves when we move stuff.
And when you grab something, you can feel its interaction with your muscles.
Like, let's say you're holding a bat or a sword.
It feels like an extension of you because it it all of the senses in your arm.
It's shifting the weight.
It's putting pressure on this point of this muscle.
This muscle is tightening and you can feel the weight and control it.
And in fact, humans do this with cars.
There was I was reading.
jack posobiec
That's that's muscle memory where you're talking about that.
That once you once you've done it enough times, you don't think about it.
tim pool
But what I'm trying to say is there's something different where humans, when they use tools, it becomes an extension of their body in the mind.
The mind actually says, I understand this is here and how long it is.
The same thing is true with cars.
That's why, I don't know if this is true for everybody, but I was reading, when you're driving a car, you have no problem drinking.
When you're a passenger in a car, you're like spilling and it's like hitting you because you don't know what's going to happen.
You have no control of the tool.
ian crossland
Same with hitting the brakes and stuff.
tim pool
Right.
Now think about this.
jack posobiec
That's why you get car sick when you're a passenger and not when you're driving.
lydia smith
Exactly.
tim pool
One of the challenges of controlling a drone with your mind is that you can't feel anything about it.
It's all visual.
So you're looking at it, and in order to make it do the right thing, you have to see it do it.
You don't feel it.
Like, I can feel myself pick something up.
I don't need to see it.
My brain instantly understands, and it knows the weight, knows balance, everything.
The drone, I have no idea.
I could not be looking at it.
I had no idea what's going on.
So it's all, it's much more difficult.
I digress, however.
The Neuralink technology is, I think, a lot of people look at that and assume we have to have implants in order to have this kind of tech.
No, we could drive a car with a headband.
You theoretically get to a point where we have multiple nodes and you just put a hat on.
ian crossland
Or a tattoo.
tim pool
Well, I'm saying nothing implantable.
I'm saying literally, like, a wearable.
And then it just can, you know, a wearable on your head.
A tattoo is permanent.
ian crossland
I'm talking about... A graphic tattoo.
It doesn't have to be permanent.
tim pool
But I'm saying you wouldn't need that.
You'd get in your car, you'd sit down, and then there would just be a thing.
You put it on your head, and then you go.
You drive.
ian crossland
Why get the Neuralink?
And it would give you the sensory perception of the drone.
Like, it would be able to feed into your brain what the drone's experiencing.
tim pool
These so far are read-only.
It's reading activity coming out of your brain, not putting anything into it.
That's what the issue with Neuralink is.
What do they say?
It's read-only?
ian crossland
Yeah, as far as I know, when I saw the pig demonstration, it was read-only.
tim pool
And the monkey playing pong is read-only.
jack posobiec
Your brain has no sensations of its own, right?
You can't actually feel it.
You don't need to anesthetize when you're doing brain surgery for the actual brain's organ itself.
tim pool
In order to get to the point where we would be at risk, well, you could be at risk in a lot of ways with an implant, but in order to get to the point where you could have a video game in your mind that you experience through Neuralink, we would need writable technology.
I'm not sure that's going to be possible.
Because everyone's brain is different.
It's not the same code.
It's a very, very similar code, but they're all unique structures that are...
jack posobiec
That's actually, we mentioned that's a huge thing in Ready Player Two, where the company has to make you sign all sorts of waivers before you get in.
And there's a 12 hour time limit.
But then also that apparently there's a lots of people that hooked up to it, that jacked in, and they just, their synapses got completely overloaded.
And so they've had to try very carefully to like make the companies like make this go away.
Totally spasmodic, you know, seizures, catatonic.
ian crossland
Don't ruin It's not a movie, it's a book.
jack posobiec
It's the sequel to Ready Player One.
tim pool
Yeah, Ready Player One was a book, they made a movie, and now there's a sequel, Ready Player Two.
jack posobiec
And it's really, really good, because it gets into all this.
But they did everything they could to try to make it go away, and they canceled all the recordings of it, and they can bribe every politician, so there's no worry about the laws or regulations, because they know everything about you already, because everyone who signed in, or your family members who signed in, you have blackmail on everybody.
tim pool
Can you could you imagine there's like, you know, Elon Musk has this factory or this like warehouse laboratory, and then like deep in like level six sub basement, there's people like strapped in against their will with like, neural link in their brains.
jack posobiec
They're happy.
No, they're totally happy.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, they're there.
It's like you ever see Batman the animated series where the people are scared but smiling because of the Joker's gas?
Yeah, that's what it's like.
unidentified
They're like... It's like this weird creepy face.
jack posobiec
And Elon just walks up, is everyone enjoying the game?
How is your ride in the Tesla Roadster?
Is it going well?
The windows are impenetrable.
tim pool
How is your ride in the Tesla Roadster? Is it going well?
jack posobiec
And you're like, Windows are impenetrable.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm what about what about you, Tim?
How are you feeling about getting the Neuralink these days?
jack posobiec
You want the headband.
That's what you want.
tim pool
Well, the headband's nice for controlling things.
jack posobiec
Or you feel you'd be a beanie.
tim pool
The Neural Beanie.
The problem... I would say right now... New merch available.
jack posobiec
TimGaz.com.
The Neural Beanie.
tim pool
I'm not immediately averse to Neuralink.
jack posobiec
Lydia, write that down.
tim pool
I will say, however...
We have to come a long way to ensure safety on Neuralink, so it's not gonna happen in 10 years.
You know, Elon Musk might do trials on it now.
The first thing we'll end up seeing is, if he can actually transmit information, it doesn't have to be a specific code, it just has to be able to transfer information between nerves, he can repair people who have paralysis.
And then what happens is, when the nerve's damaged, you no longer can move, right?
Even repairing it, you have to relearn because your brain's trying to figure out that pathway to communicate with that part of the body.
So even if Elon creates something that can create a link between, you know, neurons, then people will have to relearn how to walk.
That's going to be the first thing we see before there's anything else.
That'll be interesting.
Partly because, how will you connect to it to control it?
Will it be an internal device with no connectivity, just a simple, you know, powered by the brain electrical impulses and that's it?
Or will it have to have a battery in it?
Will it have a Bluetooth connection?
Because we have seen in the past decade, Pete, there were, I think, I'm not sure if it happened to anybody, but I think someone may have been assassinated because they had a pacemaker.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Which was like Bluetooth or something.
lydia smith
That does sound right, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, there's like stories of people who have internal electronics, either like an electronic pancreas system or a pacemaker, and people can hack into it using its... Terrifying.
Because I think I was reading a story about pacemakers having a signal so that doctors can connect and then collect information and see how things are going.
Someone could break into that and then change that system and then kill you.
jack posobiec
So what would happen... If there's anything I know about humanity is that There is no system that anyone can design that someone else will not figure out how to reverse engineer.
luke rudkowski
But this is the thing, Tim keeps bringing up, we're not smart enough to do this, but we're also forgetting that, you know, human beings are building concepts like artificial intelligence and quantum computing that are way smarter, that are way more proficient, that can calculate problems.
Way faster than a human being could figure out and could be way more intelligent than the average human being could be and they could figure it out and they could give us just new kind of technology or twist it or use it in some kind of way for the artificial intelligence personal benefit.
So that's also another spectrum here that we would be foolish enough to think about since of course there is an artificial intelligence race happening right now with Amazon, with Facebook, With Elon Musk with Vladimir Putin with China all racing for what people are calling the next big nuclear weapon that of course will be weaponized will be used for the personal benefit of some individuals but with an intelligence that's smarter than us.
That's dangerous territory because look at what we do to things that are less intelligent than us.
jack posobiec
Well, this is what gets into the singularity, right?
When machines overcome, and this is every sci-fi book, novel, etc., where eventually the machines decide we don't need you.
With the, I will say the notable exception of her, where the AIs just leave.
luke rudkowski
That was such a creepy movie.
I remember watching that.
tim pool
Dude, Battlestar Galactica.
Sad, man.
Like, just the intro episode where you have these planets, all these different planet colonies, and you could live on a bunch of different planets.
And then the Cylons just come and wipe out the entire civilization.
It's like, that's so brutal.
jack posobiec
Because you took our birthright from us.
luke rudkowski
That's history.
When you look at history, it's the burning of Alexandria.
The destruction of so much knowledge has been wasted away, and some of it has been protected, and we should always protect it at all costs.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's that, I don't know what the word is, perpetuity of humans to seek out and destroy other life forms.
Like to actually look for them and find them to destroy them is like, that's real.
That's part of the humanity.
So I would imagine that any programs we build are gonna also be able to do that.
jack posobiec
Right, because again, this is the garbage in, garbage out, right?
Any AI will initially come from a human, right?
So any of our own biases and idiosyncrasies and flaws are all going to be built into it.
tim pool
Yep.
jack posobiec
There's no way around it.
unidentified
Wow.
luke rudkowski
Ego.
tim pool
With that being said, we should throw it to the super chat.
So if you haven't already, leave a super chat, but like, subscribe, hit the notification bell, and head over to TimCast.com.
Become a member for exclusive members-only content.
Some people have asked, is there ever going to be sponsors or ads or anything?
No.
Members-only content has no ads, no sponsors.
It is straight, clean, unfiltered, uncensored, a lot of cussing.
And that is for you guys.
We're not going to do any promo stuff.
It'll always just be clean and ready to go.
That's at TimCast.com.
We got a cool segment up about new technology and maybe a major breakthrough.
And we will probably have another bonus segment coming up later.
I'm not entirely sure, but stick around and we'll see what happens.
But let's take some of these super chats.
We got Mickey the 4th saying, Yesterday I was a guest on a channel called Radical Liberation to talk about what happened in Chechnya.
Well, there's no N. It says Chechnya.
Maybe you mean Chechnya?
After communism.
I think it is vital to understand the lasting effects and what it is that comes after.
Give it a watch and share if you can.
Thanks, guys.
Maybe it's a place I'm not familiar with.
Bringer of D says, Canada officially declares Proud Boys a terror organization.
Finance minister now considering massive tax hikes to cover $10 million payments to individual members.
Wait, what?
To individual members of the ministry or the Proud Boys?
Oh, he says JK.
Oh, I get it.
jack posobiec
There's the joke.
tim pool
Jose Diaz says, Tim, how long until the U.S.
starts looking like so many dystopian movies?
Because so far, to me, it's looking like V for Vendetta without V. How long until?
What do you mean?
Go back a year?
Like, we've been locked down for a year.
People are walking around terrified of this pandemic.
Now they're wearing two masks?
Who do you think wears two masks?
jack posobiec
I would say even beyond V for Vendetta, I think it's more like Dark City, if people remember that one, where Dark City was this, it's sort of the original Matrix where your history, your memories are rewritten every night.
And every night at one point, I think it's at midnight, everybody falls asleep.
And then the ancients run out, rewire your memories, reform the city.
They actually change the streets.
You could be rich one day and then you wake up and you're in a bathtub of a slum, or you're at the kitchen table in a beater and you're yelling over some cheap dinner, but then you wake up and you're in a mansion, right?
But the idea also is that they've plugged into your mind all the memories that would give you up until that point.
And so there's this one scene of the movie where the main character is trying to figure out, do you remember the last time you had a steak?
Yeah.
But when was the last time you actually had it?
Can you remember the specific time and the date?
That's what we're getting to with a lot of these lockdowns.
It's like, can you remember what life was like prior to?
But when did they start?
What was the day that it started?
What was the actual time?
When was the last time you did this?
When was the last time you did that?
luke rudkowski
Two weeks.
jack posobiec
Right, two weeks.
Right, two weeks.
No, it'll be done in two weeks.
It'll be done in two weeks.
tim pool
I mean, to be completely honest, we live in the middle of nowhere.
So once you get away from the city, it's meaningless.
jack posobiec
Yeah, actually out here, it's probably not as bad.
But I've been in D.C.
the entire time and it's...
I'm having trouble remembering when the last time I walked down the street like with my family on a regular unmasked DC day was.
tim pool
I was super excited because today I was able to hit, I think it's a 6 inch target from 100 yards with my compound bow.
It took me like 30 tries though.
So it's not like I'm good, it was just a really great feeling where I was this tiny 6 inch target from like 100 yards and I was shooting and missing and missing and it was the last arrow and it was funny because the arrow was like kind of broken so I actually missed and the arrow still ended up hitting it but I'll take it.
unidentified
Oh, now that I don't know, I don't know.
No, no, no.
tim pool
It hit the target.
luke rudkowski
I'm protesting that.
tim pool
It hit the target.
lydia smith
Sure it did.
luke rudkowski
By accident.
tim pool
But it wasn't.
jack posobiec
The arrow hit the target, but did Tim hit the target?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yes.
jack posobiec
Ooh.
tim pool
Anyway, the point is, I go out in the yard, no mask, trees everywhere.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
There's birds making weird noises.
There's one bird that sings that news song from, it's called Pressure.
unidentified
Still, huh?
tim pool
Yeah, well, they're everywhere.
I don't know what the bird's called, but there's a bird that, like, its song sounds like this.
Those are drones.
So we're just like... There was one bird that yells, and it sounds like a person yelling.
And so I'm going out with the bow, and I'm, like, getting ready, and then I hear a...
And I'm like, somebody there.
I'm shooting air.
jack posobiec
Do you need aid?
tim pool
I'm like, because it's middle of nowhere, man.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Like there's nobody out here.
ian crossland
I've been like not fully desensitized to the masks yet because I've been living kind of out here working from home.
And I'll see videos of people, these crowds of people, and they're all wearing masks.
And it makes me angry.
Like when I see obese people that are eating bad food, when like it's like they're like her.
And I get that same kind of like Like helpless rage or hopeless, like what have we become?
Why are we doing this?
And so I'm like, and it's like shuddering.
jack posobiec
I had a buddy in Miami, uh, texted me today that he was getting into an Uber and the driver lost his mind on him because he wasn't double masked.
And he started, and he started screaming.
He said, the driver started screaming that there's been a presidential order and President Biden has put this down and everyone has to be double-masked.
He threw him out of the car for not double-masking.
tim pool
Why not triple-masking?
jack posobiec
Why not triple-masking?
tim pool
Oh, I got good news!
I got really good news.
I don't know if I should announce it.
Maybe I should.
ian crossland
You made a mask that has two masks in one.
tim pool
No, those space helmet...
Astronaut helmets they made, officially got sent out a couple days ago.
Have you seen them?
No.
It is this glass dome that you, and you put the thing over your head and it rests on your neck.
jack posobiec
Like Bioshock.
tim pool
Like Bioshock.
I'm gonna fart in one.
And it's got fans in it.
No, it's got air filters.
jack posobiec
The Big Brothers.
tim pool
Dude, and I'm like, there's like the guy who invented it, you know, look more power to the guy for trying to work on
unidentified
Gross.
tim pool
inventing something.
But everyone said the same thing when I tweeted about it.
They said, what happens if you sneeze?
It's just glass in front of you.
So you like sneeze and that's just like everywhere.
Like what do you do quickly?
Lift it up and go and spray it, you know, and you know, you're dead from COVID.
Dude, I'm so excited to get these.
It's gonna be so much fun.
ian crossland
Oh, you ordered a bunch of them?
tim pool
I ordered two.
So we'll film with them and we'll go out wearing them and see how people react.
It'll be hilarious.
We'll be at a restaurant just sitting there.
How do you eat?
unidentified
In South Park they had a theory that you could put food through the opposite way.
tim pool
Here's the plan.
I want to go to a restaurant wearing them.
And I want to get someone else with me and we'll order food but just sit there staring.
Not moving and the food just sitting in front of us and not touching.
jack posobiec
You need like a third person with a camera on the other table.
tim pool
Just for 20 minutes to see how people react to us just like blank blank faces just sitting there with these things on not eating.
Or we can actually take the food and just like hit the glass and then just like We'll have to take out, like, YouTube ad space and run that.
luke rudkowski
Can we put Ian in a bubble?
For some reason I see, like, Bubble Boy popping in there, coming in mid-section.
ian crossland
As long as we get the bubble, yeah, let's do it.
tim pool
Let's, let's, you know what we should do?
jack posobiec
Just going down the sidewalk in your bubble.
tim pool
We should, we should, no, we should get one of those bubbles that, like, the vi- Hamster wheel.
What's that band that does that?
ian crossland
The flaming lips.
tim pool
The flaming lips, there you go.
jack posobiec
You have to be extremely upset and intolerant when you see people who are unbubbled.
Where is your bubble?
Haven't you read the science?
luke rudkowski
A lot of people say that in the future it's going to be like Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, 1984.
I say they're all wrong.
The future is going to be like Bubble Boy.
Remember that movie?
Did you see that movie?
That's the future.
You didn't see it?
jack posobiec
No.
tim pool
Alright, we gotta take more Super Chats.
jack posobiec
Remember the Seinfeld episode?
ian crossland
You don't remember that?
tim pool
Acne Product says, I'm shocked that Time Story was published.
It's too good to be true.
It's too perfect.
lydia smith
It is.
tim pool
When was the last time you saw the media describe how the wealthy and powerful conspire?
I have an ominous feeling about it, like some sort of trap.
Thoughts?
My thoughts are that they feel so confident in their victory, knowing that nothing can be done about this, that after everything they feared, the worst thing that happened was a bunch of middle-aged Trump supporters Bumble it, you know, bewildered and befuddled walking around the Capitol building and then leaving.
ian crossland
It's like, that was it.
Who will go after those people?
All those court cases were thrown out.
I think they feel confident.
tim pool
What people?
ian crossland
The people in the cabal that they're talking about.
In their minds, who's coming after us?
Let's just make it known and then we can just keep doing it over and over again.
And this is the test.
tim pool
The story from the cabal is not about court cases, it's about how they changed the rules the year leading into the election, which is what I've been saying over and over again.
ian crossland
But like anyone that would have gone after them... What he's saying is there's no check.
jack posobiec
There's no check on any of this, so why not take credit for it now?
Remember, this didn't run until two weeks after the inauguration.
There's no possible check that's a test.
ian crossland
They're really testing us.
They're testing the world right now.
tim pool
Well, as Michael Malice said, some very bad people got data on what people are willing to tolerate.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
As Michael Malice said.
ian crossland
It's a tolerance test.
tim pool
Well, and my response is, it kind of feels like they're hitting us as much as, like, they're doing things to us to see, like, how we respond, as if we're, like, mice in a maze.
ian crossland
Like, if there was, like, a huge backlash and then people started going after legals, they'd just be like, no, no, it wasn't true.
That time thing wasn't true.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
It was fake news and everyone fell for it.
luke rudkowski
Today they're like, let's tell them we fortified it and then tell them we're going to drone bomb them for believing it.
That's literally what they're doing today.
jack posobiec
One of my favorite memes from, I think it was at some point in 2020, where it was, it was the lizards who control the simulation apologize and say they're going to turn everything back to 2015.
We're sorry.
We just wanted to see how you would react.
tim pool
All right.
We got a couple more.
We got, let's see.
Oh, I got cut off.
There we go.
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lydia smith
Thank you.
tim pool
We have another one here.
What do we got?
Blob Monster says, I want to apologize to Ian for being mean to him.
I listened to him last night talking about his troubles.
He is a product of his abuse.
ian crossland
Uh, thank you?
unidentified
Alright, well there you go.
lydia smith
I guess?
ian crossland
You're probably right about that.
tim pool
Daniel Maxwell says, I see you got Jack Posobiec on, the man who could not meet the challenge of getting the receipts on a person when he was challenged to do so.
He still does good journalism.
What is that about?
jack posobiec
I... no idea.
tim pool
Kinda too vague.
jack posobiec
I have the receipts on everybody.
tim pool
Sporkwitch has a question for you, Jack.
Jack, how can we hold true to our oaths, USAF vet, at this point?
It feels like any action taken would be suicide.
They've done everything possible to disarm us, keep us from communicating, and eliminate our income.
And it all seems to be accelerating.
jack posobiec
I would say that I come to this from the perspective of, look, when I took my oath to serve the military, serve the country, that he's referring to the military oath, you know, we swear an oath to serve the Constitution and not any particular government or politician.
But now I'm a family guy.
I've got my wife, I've got my kids, and I wake up every day and I think I live for them now.
I live to make sure that they're going to be okay and that they're going to be set up for success going forward and my time is starting to end.
I mean, I'm not an old guy or anything, but you see that.
I'm 36.
But you see that your children will eventually take your place.
tim pool
But look, you've got over a million Twitter followers.
You put out information, people follow that.
You know what I mean?
You're doing something that's having a serious impact.
unidentified
Right, right.
jack posobiec
And people need to understand that if you really want to, right, you know, going back, though, you know, he was asking me personal questions, I was answering in a personal way.
But as far as the actual turning back the system, this is a 30 year project, it took a very long time for things to get this bad.
And I hope people understand that you can't have You're not just going to find one esoteric law and walk it into a courtroom somewhere and get one judge.
It's not going to be like that, folks.
It's going to be a long slog.
We're going to chip away at all of this corruption.
That's how it works.
It's never going to be, you know, you wake up one day and it all goes away.
tim pool
I think there's actually one really simple solution and it's that not enough people in whatever space we're in are speaking up.
That's all it is.
The reason they control the narrative, the reason why so many ignorant people remain ignorant is because too many people are scared of being cancelled and won't speak up.
There's not enough people doing what you are doing and tweeting or any one of us in tweeting and putting out videos and putting out stories.
There are a lot of regular people who hear things and know things and aren't engaging in the culture the same way the left does.
The left goes on Twitter and brigades and mass reports and flags people.
They get jobs at news organizations and they take them over and then they push this narrative and not enough people are countering that.
That's it.
ian crossland
We're like nodes on a network and every human is a node and if the node doesn't light up when it receives the information to pass the out the transaction breaks down.
So we need to light up and it is as simple a lot of ways is just retweeting or sharing information.
A lot of times with your own explanation.
jack posobiec
And I always say this to people as well that look, if you've got a normie job out there, don't use your real name on social media, please, for the love of God, right?
You know, keep being out there, be smart, you know, don't, don't have this, you know, chest beating moment of I need to say this on Facebook.
My boss says, no, it matters what your boss thinks.
You don't get fired.
Don't get in trouble for some political thing.
But at the same time, be out there.
And if you can find a specific instance where you can get one person to wake up and read this Time Magazine article, print it out for people.
I wish they would print it out and put it on every seat at the impeachment trial, which is coming up next week, by the way, and say, look, They threw this guy off of social media for saying these things.
They claim that him saying this was an incitement to violence.
But when Time Magazine comes out and Molly Ball prints the exact same facts.
tim pool
It says Trump was right.
It says in a way Trump was right.
It is a gloating personing.
Did you see that Mark Elias, the Democratic lawyer, is now arguing that the voting machines... He actually lost that, by the way.
jack posobiec
He actually lost that.
I just saw the headline.
He lost that case.
tim pool
Good.
It's absurd that the Democrats would scream Trump's lying and then make the same argument.
I'm not surprised.
And there's no point in going, oh, it's a double standard.
We know they have no shame.
We know they cheat.
We know they lie.
Now what?
lydia smith
Boring.
tim pool
Yeah.
Now what?
luke rudkowski
Well, we need to realize that they rule by fear, consent, and self-censorship.
A lot of what they do is to incentivize you not knowing the rules so then they could have this chilling effect.
We don't know what we can and cannot say on YouTube many of the times.
The rules are vague.
We don't know why people get Punished we don't know why people get demonetized ... censored kicked off deleted off social media we don't know ... there's no official conversation or dialogue and I ... think it's done on purpose so we keep everyone in line ... because everyone's waiting until they get hit some people ... get hit for the most obvious reasons some people get hit ... for the most non-obvious reasons and you're left here ... wondering and confused and scared and that's exactly how ... they want you.
tim pool
Alright, so we got another one from Gareth Green.
He says, I cover my ears, I close my eyes, I still hear your voice and it's telling me lies.
Linda Thompson.
I have a mixture of anger and despair today, partly because of the obvious, but also Andrew Sullivan's beautiful piece on the woke attack on the classics.
Read it.
It was really hard for me to work all day because I woke up to seeing this story and it was picking up steam and I read it and I couldn't think about anything else.
The Time Magazine story saying, yeah, we did it.
We did it.
So what?
And I'm like, okay, I gotta, I gotta produce a bunch of different stories.
And I got to sit down and read the news and I couldn't think of anything else.
jack posobiec
And so I'm like, man, I'm not going to do just I actually wanted to break this down, and it reminded me of something you were saying, but I think it'll go to this question.
So in intelligence services, there's three types of operations.
There's overt, covert, and clandestine.
And people get covert and clandestine confused a lot.
They use them interchangeably, but they're not actually interchangeable.
So, overt operations, everybody knows what that is.
That's, you know, we invaded somewhere, and here they are, and they're walking on the street, and they're invading.
Covert operations means... Zero Dark Thirty is probably the biggest, you know, most easy example of that.
That's a black op, they went in, they got bin Laden, they got out, right?
But everybody knows who did it.
Everybody, after the fact, right, knows what happened, knows who did it.
A clandestine operation, and this is where CIA and predominantly operates, this is where an operation takes place.
A change is made somewhere in the world, and yet no knowledge of the operation exists.
You don't even know that an operation took place.
And they measure success by getting in, getting out, and nobody knows that an operation ever happened, right?
So that when I read the Time Magazine piece, I said, Oh, this was a clandestine op that they're now coming forward on.
Yeah, they're now coming forward to claim credit to say and different people that I worked with used to take pride in that they used to say for for the deed, not the glory.
That actually used to be a phrase for the deed, not the glory, because you were doing something even though you knew you weren't getting credit for it.
For these folks, they want the glory.
tim pool
Remember when Biden said he had the largest voter fraud organization in history or whatever?
They said in the Time Magazine piece that they recruited armies of poll workers.
jack posobiec
One thing you actually didn't mention yet, towards the end of that Time Magazine piece, they point out that towards the end of Election Day, they decided to not, and I'm paraphrasing, they decided to not send activists into the streets.
And people were asking, why didn't anything happen after November 3rd?
Because we decided not to send the signal to our activists to not go out and march.
Are they talking about, like, the left-wing Antifa?
luke rudkowski
BLM.
jack posobiec
BLM groups that, you know, people always kind of suspect sort of pop up and are switched on and off at certain times.
Are you actually admitting that you do control those groups and the timing of when and where they commit their actions?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Speaking of, have there been many Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots relative to what was before January 5th?
tim pool
Yes.
jack posobiec
Portland, Seattle for the main part, but that's about it.
luke rudkowski
What would have happened if Trump would have won?
What kind of protests would have happened then?
jack posobiec
Well, I think that what they're actually saying in the Time Magazine piece, if the inverse of what they're saying is, had Trump had a greater turnout, then they would have activated these marchers, these militants, these activists to go out into the streets and, to use the vernacular, incited people going out and contesting the election.
tim pool
Let's read some more Super Chats here.
jack posobiec
We got... To protect democracy.
Want to be very clear.
To protect democracy.
To fortify like a multivitamin.
tim pool
We have Mr. Hunt here, Mike, says Russia hoax doesn't lead to violence, but questioning
the integrity of the election does.
We absolutely 100% live in a fascist state now.
Those that claim to have been fighting against it, we're fighting for it.
Like, I called out some of these people earlier today.
The people who are cheering on Antifa destroying small businesses and attacking regular Americans, and then cheering on the military coming in and occupying DC.
It's like, okay, if you're cheering for the destruction of the working class, and then supporting the establishment machine sending the military to DC, like, you're in favor of the authority, dude.
Like, what do you think's going on?
jack posobiec
The Berlin Wall for the entire... I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
tim pool
The Anti-Fascist Protective Rampart.
jack posobiec
I was going to say, yeah, I get into this and doing an Antifa book, a little plug, pretty soon here, but that for the entirety of its history was known in official documentation as the Anti-Fascist Rampart of East Germany.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
That was your point.
jack posobiec
That was my point.
tim pool
I thought you were going to be talking about the Berlin Wall, but I wanted you to call it its official name.
The Anti-Fascist Protection Roadmap.
jack posobiec
So anti-fascism actually became sort of the state religion of East Germany.
And that they sort of morphed everything that the Third Reich did into West Germany.
And then in their telling, the United States and the UK and Canada were supportive of this continuation of fascism, that they were just a different type of fascism.
They were capitalist social fascism.
This gets into the actual rise of Antifa and the Communist Party in Weimar, Germany.
They just never stopped actually saying those beliefs, right?
This all goes back.
So anti-fascism from its start was not actually about being anti-fascist.
It's anarcho-communist.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
All right, we got one for you, Jack.
This one's a serious question from David Bowies.
I'm not gonna read the full name.
He says, for Agent Poso, I said that foreign terror org that Antifa was training with, YPG, were CIA assets and guarded our military installations.
You blocked me on Twitter.
Can you please unblock me or educate me why I'm wrong?
jack posobiec
Well, they perhaps I would have to go back and look at the contest of maybe looked like you were you're coming back at me, you know, for something like that.
I obviously look at the exact interaction, but it is truthful that YPG, this was an organization, a Kurdish militant organization.
that did have US support at one point were also on the other
end, side turning around and financing, funding and training
and Tifa, who had come over from Western Germany and North America to participate in their operations. And one of them,
this guy, Daniel Alan Turner, was just arrested in Florida for
planning an attack on the Florida Capitol on inauguration day 2021.
He also, he states that, you know, we're, we still need to investigate this.
He states that he was part of the militant, the armed guards up at CHAZ in Seattle during the summer of 2020.
And from his own Twitter feed says that he was involved in one of the shootings that took place in CHAZ.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
So this is a guy that, again, going off of all of his own statements, says that he was in YPG, that he was in Syria, that he came back, that he used what he learned on the battlefield in CHAZ, then finally got picked up by the FBI planning an attack on the Florida capital.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Here's something interesting.
Pims the Great says, two-man crew-manned machine guns come in 5.56, 7.62, and 3.38.
unidentified
Oh, there you go.
tim pool
3.38, or do you mean 3.08?
No, 3.08 and 7.62 are basically the same thing.
I guess, you know, some guy was telling me never to put a 3.08 and a 7.62 because the pressure is different, but a lot of people were just like, ah, it's the same thing, you know, I don't care.
jack posobiec
Yes and no.
unidentified
Huh.
lydia smith
Conclusive.
Thanks, everyone.
tim pool
Okay.
Full Mental Alchemist says, Tim, Saitama is a great character, but Moomin Rider is the best one on One Punch Man.
Moomin has no powers at all, but still does everything he can to be a hero, regardless of fame.
Batman vs. Superman.
That is correct.
Moomin Rider is one of the best heroes.
I'd say Saitama is my favorite character.
But you know what?
Yeah, I think Moominrider.
Are you guys familiar with One Punch Man?
jack posobiec
No.
tim pool
Very simple gist of it.
One Punch Man is basically an all-powerful guy.
The theme of the anime is that he's this silly-looking guy, but he can defeat anybody, no one can stop him.
He can jump to the moon.
He's just all-powerful.
And he's kind of dumb.
But he's a good guy and he wants to be this great hero, but they kind of treat him poorly.
Moominrider is a class C hero who's just a guy who rides a bike around and wants to be a hero.
But the point is, he gets into a fight with this really big monster and is being beaten mercilessly, but he refuses to stop because he's trying to defend other people, stop them from getting killed.
So even though he knows he's going to die, he does it.
Whereas Saitama just walks up and flicks the guy and, you know, he's got no fear.
Superman versus Batman.
It's a good point.
jack posobiec
Huh?
Yeah, yeah, I know.
That's great, man.
Of course.
tim pool
Coldy Locke's production says Star Wars was about watching out for corruption and fascism
and government manipulation.
And when Disney got a hold of it, they tried to feminize and corrupt it to their narrative.
Eddie Johnson asks, what does Jack think of Snowden?
jack posobiec
You know, Snowden is someone that I would have to say that I've had a journey on.
Assange, too, really, that, you know, I'm a guy who, you know, people say, are you part of the Deep State Pacific?
And I was like, well, you know, former?
Maybe?
You know, I was on the side that was doing the drone strikes, right, to what Luke was saying, and now I'm here.
And so I do think that if you break the law, that there are going to be consequences.
So I understand that, you know, from the leaking perspective, but at the same time, the amount of stuff that that guy was able to expose and the transparency that he provided to people has proven to be a public service.
unidentified
100%.
Yeah.
tim pool
Uh, Razio says, question to any Trekkie on the set.
Me and my bro discussed this topic last night and was wondering what you guys, who you guys would pick.
If you were to start your own crew, who would be your go-to analytical science officer, Data or Seven of Nine and why?
Data, obviously.
Guys?
ian crossland
Uh, Andrew?
jack posobiec
Yeah, of course, why wouldn't you want Andrew for that?
ian crossland
Elon Musk.
tim pool
Oh, of the three?
unidentified
Data.
tim pool
I don't know.
I don't have seven of nine.
ian crossland
She's a Borg.
Who's the other one?
tim pool
data or seven seven seven of nine is one person.
ian crossland
Is that the girl with the...
tim pool
She's the Borg.
jack posobiec
Former Borg.
tim pool
Former Borg.
ian crossland
Data hands down.
tim pool
Who's the other one?
Spock?
luke rudkowski
No.
tim pool
Data or seven of nine.
I'm still confused.
If you guys have seen the episode where, in The Next Generation, they get trapped in the Tychons' rift.
You guys know this one?
Of course you know this.
And there's, on the other side of the rift, because the crew is trapped, they're being bombarded, and they don't realize this, with telepathic rays preventing REM sleep.
So over time, they're slowly going insane.
And as they go to sleep, but they don't actually get dreams and REM cycles, they start breaking down.
But data is unaffected.
So, because of data, they end up surviving, for the most part.
And because of Troy, who is partially telepathic and could translate inner dreams, the message, they released the hydrogen, which interacted with the fictitious Star Trek element of Calendenium, which caused the explosion, wiping out the Rift, which they then ripped through.
I know a lot about Star Trek.
jack posobiec
Wow.
ian crossland
You chose an artificial intelligence.
tim pool
Data.
ian crossland
Yes.
I think there's something.
tim pool
Well, because he's a safety net, you know?
ian crossland
Creating AI.
Yeah, AI can be a safety net.
It just needs to be free software so we can watch it write its own code.
jack posobiec
Anti-fragile.
tim pool
It was cool though, I like at the end when everyone's basically on the verge of dying
because they're losing their minds. Data's totally fine and then he orders the captain to bed.
My last order as acting captain is to order you to bed, sir.
And Picard's like, oh thank you, Data. And then he goes to bed.
jack posobiec
25th Amendment.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
25th Amendment.
jack posobiec
You know they really brought that up because of Kamala, right?
tim pool
Which one?
ian crossland
Seems like it.
jack posobiec
The reason that everybody who's been talking about the 25th—this is so obvious, by the way.
unidentified
It's fine.
jack posobiec
The reason that they've been seeding this narrative, even in the last weeks of the Trump administration, that they were talking about, oh, the 25th Amendment, or the 20th Amendment.
The 20th Amendment is not about if you don't like somebody, you want to get rid of them.
That's impeachment, right?
And he is being impeached right now.
The 25th Amendment is about mental capacity, mental capability, and the idea is supposed to be that if you have some medical condition and you're not deceased, you're still alive, but you can't function, then Like if we had a president who thought the movies... What was that movie?
tim pool
War Games.
Yeah, if we had a president who thought War Games was a real thing.
jack posobiec
A lot of these laws were written after the Kennedy assassination, right?
Because they were thinking of different permutations of what could happen.
Troy Dunham says, I've graduated from an Ian hater to an Ian fanboy.
of the line of succession, so many degrees of this. And then this was also brought up as something of,
well, what if he was just incapacitated, right? And so, but I think that the reason that they're
talking about it is because they want to use it on Joe Biden at some point.
unidentified
I agree.
Oh, of course.
Yep.
tim pool
Troy Dunham says, I've graduated from an Ian hater to an Ian fanboy.
Ian, when did you get red-pilled?
ian crossland
2004, I think.
It was about like loose, loose change.
I think you actually worked on that, didn't you?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
So that was back in the day.
ian crossland
We have we have some Zeitgeist, that whole era of like internet video red pilling in the early days.
tim pool
We, uh, someone, uh, Gareth Green's giving us a little correction.
He says Chechya was formerly known as the Czech Republic.
And before that part of Czechoslovakia, and before that Bohemia and Moravia, part of the Austrian empire.
So I actually knew somebody who identified as Bohemian because their family emigrated from Bohemia to the U.S.
And so when I was like asking who they're like, oh yeah, what is your ethnicity?
And they're like, well, we're from America, but we're all Bohemian.
And I was like, oh, and then I'm like, where's that?
And everyone's like, there's no such place.
I'm like, yeah, there was a long time ago and the people who were there identified as Bohemian left and retained that as their, you know, heritage, even though it's totally different now, you know?
jack posobiec
It's like that in, um, uh, for some, a lot of like, like Poles and Ukrainians that came over before Poland got their independence back, there was this, um, they would refer to their region as Ruthenia.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Ruthenians.
jack posobiec
The Ruthenians, right?
Even though that's, if you look today, that's not a province.
It's, it never even was like a really defined area.
There's no kingdom of Ruthenia, but it was just sort of this this phrase.
And so when I was going through some of the census documents of my own family, you'll see from Ruthenia, but because that's what they put.
But that's, you know, it's never actually been a place.
ian crossland
Hey, clarification.
I got repealed like end of 2006.
It was right after I started making YouTube videos, all the people would comment.
They'd be like, you need to learn about the Federal Reserve.
You need to watch Loose Change.
You need to see Aaron Russo.
And it was like, so I got into fascism.
luke rudkowski
Aaron Russo, great guy.
ian crossland
Yeah, awesome.
luke rudkowski
That was a great piece.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
We got a ton of Super Chats, but we'll try and read a little bit more.
Drake D says, 7.62x51 NATO and .50 BMG M2 machines are crew-served or mounted.
However, .338 Norma Mag is in the works to supplement .50 BMG M2 crew-served weapons.
.338 NM is also significantly lighter per round.
Is that good a good thing or bad thing because I mean 50 BMG those are those are building destroys you mow it building down and just you know, I mean Have you seen how big those things are?
Yeah, when Luke came in and need the belt.
jack posobiec
Yeah when Luke came in with the belt I just imagine the optics of a military occupation with cruiser of weapons In our nation's capital, but then people being told this is for your own good And these are the same people that want to ban your guns with H.R.
unidentified
127.
luke rudkowski
I looked into it yesterday.
There's so much more stuff that we didn't cover.
If you have a .50 BMG like piece of ammunition, minimum 10 years in jail.
tim pool
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
So that's that's nuts.
tim pool
Eduardo Selena says, Tim, I asked about the game of skate last time.
You have the crazy flat ground, but I got them switch.
Let's do it.
Love the show, man.
Oh, you think I don't got switch, bro?
I can nollie hardflip late flip.
I can nollie hardflip late 180.
I can switch hardflip late 180 and switch hardflip late flip.
Bring it on, brother.
You ain't got a game.
I can do basically everything switch.
No joke.
You got a mouth, son.
You think you can come in here and bring that skate smack talk.
I'm almost 35.
I don't skate as hard as I used to.
I'm focusing more on mini ramp because I didn't skate mini.
I skated a bit when I was younger.
Now I'm having a lot more fun skating mini.
It's good fun.
I got a six-foot halfpipe.
It's great.
Let's see.
Publius the Good says, so you are saying that you are fully aware the DNC committed a coup and actually overthrew the U.S.
government against the will of the people, and your answer is you're a family man, oathbreaker, period, coward.
unidentified
Whoa, yikes.
lydia smith
Who are we talking to here?
jack posobiec
Jack.
Wow, buddy.
Go army.com, man.
If you want to sign up, you want to serve, you want to go over there, kick in some doors, go army.
Go with .mil, I think, right?
That sounds like somebody, Oath Keeper.
Wow.
Oath Breaker.
Also, I'd just like to say, too, whatever federal agent just wrote that was trying to get me to say something.
You're glowing a little bit too hard right now, buddy.
No, it comes down to this.
We understand what you're trying to do.
And for anybody out there who... I understand the frustration.
I do understand the frustration.
And I understand the anger.
And I understand the... We got Ocean Elevened.
What are we supposed to do about that?
There is no easy answer to this.
tim pool
There is.
It's peaceful, persuasive, and resourceful.
jack posobiec
It's this.
It's this.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Exactly.
jack posobiec
It's what we're doing right now.
tim pool
It's culture building.
That's why we're talking about starting a vlog, and we've been, you know, working towards doing this, but we're getting the website up as a priority.
And that's why we wanna, look, here's the way I explain it.
We just talked a little about skateboarding.
jack posobiec
We were just talking about having strong families?
What's that gonna do?
lydia smith
Yeah, whatever.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
jack posobiec
Come on, are you kidding me?
ian crossland
Parallel systems and subsystems.
tim pool
There's a well-known skateboarder who puts a ton of videos up.
There's actually a couple skateboarders.
They put up videos on Instagram, and on the mini ramp, the mini ramp is painted to be the Gadsden flag.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
And so, I've watched these videos of some of the best miniramps skating I've ever seen from these people, and I laugh and I'm like, yeah, Gadsden Miniramp!
lydia smith
Subliminal.
tim pool
What do you think happens when a 14-year-old kid sees this pro doing an amazing trick, and they think, that's so cool, and they see the Gadsden flag, then they go to school and the teacher says, this is white supremacy!
They go...
What?
No way, dude.
My favorite skateboarders do the same thing.
They're not racists.
jack posobiec
Exactly.
tim pool
You're lying to me.
jack posobiec
Exactly.
tim pool
That's the culture-building stuff I'm talking about.
Speaking up, being proud of what you believe.
And look, you know, it is a difficult philosophical question.
I remember when I was a little kid, I saw a sign that said, stand up for what you believe in.
And I was like, racists believe in awful stuff.
You want them to stand up?
They do.
Okay, well I'll stand up to oppose that.
So literally, whatever you believe, if you really believe it, you'll stand by it.
jack posobiec
Which used to be the standard, by the way.
Which used to be the standard, that if, you know, the answer to bad speech was more speech.
tim pool
Good speech.
jack posobiec
Better speech.
That you add speech to that, and then people can decide on their own what is better, right?
This is why these issues that we talk about today, Yeah, there's culture wars, but they're not on the same lines.
about the 90s conservatives versus like millennial conservatives and the week.com just did a big piece on bar,
they call it barstool conservatism, where you know, it's not the conservatism of the 1990s anymore. It's not
Jerry Falwell, that it's it's Yeah, there's culture wars, but
they're not on the same lines. It's a different, you know, from
a military perspective, a different delta than where you would be having those battlegrounds before it is about
speech codes. It's about political correctness going crazy, and how it's getting into our corporate culture. It's
in our schools, etc, etc. All right.
tim pool
Alright, we'll take just a couple more here.
Amber Emily says, Captain Archer or Sisko?
Also, Poso.
jack posobiec
Sisko, 100%.
tim pool
Yeah, Sisko, no question.
jack posobiec
No question.
luke rudkowski
What the hell are these questions?
Dude, I have no idea.
jack posobiec
Sisko is awesome.
Though, I do like Captain Archer.
I will throw something.
I know Captain Archer gets crapped on a lot.
I know.
tim pool
I'm trying not to be mean.
luke rudkowski
Can we talk about the USC?
tim pool
Sisko, dude.
unidentified
Yeah, come on, man.
tim pool
Nah, nah, nah, nah.
lydia smith
I guess not.
tim pool
Sisko was legit.
ian crossland
Jake Paul.
jack posobiec
But Sisko, obviously Sisko.
tim pool
Logan.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
Jake or Logan.
Pick one.
ian crossland
Jake Paul or Logan Paul.
Jake Paul or Ben Askren.
luke rudkowski
Ben.
jack posobiec
Ben Askren.
100% Ben Askren.
ian crossland
In a boxing match.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Ben.
lydia smith
Yep.
ian crossland
You hear it here first.
jack posobiec
I'm going to go with Ben Askren, even though he doesn't follow me on Twitter.
And yes, that is how I judge.
tim pool
There was one more part of this question that said, also Poso, where is the most patriotic place to get an MBA internship?
jack posobiec
Does Liberty have MBAs?
I'd have to look it up.
I don't know.
tim pool
The last question, and the most important one from Levy Hint says, Ian, how long have you been growing out your hair?
I'm on a year and I can finally put it in a bun.
ian crossland
I think four or five years maybe.
jack posobiec
Wow.
lydia smith
Nice.
tim pool
Long time.
ian crossland
I like the question Super Chats, where you ask us to all answer a question.
lydia smith
Yes, I enjoy that.
jack posobiec
There are a lot of them.
Do you trim as you go?
ian crossland
No, I haven't trimmed it at all.
jack posobiec
Like Samson.
ian crossland
I would think it would almost like it would be longer.
tim pool
Samson.
ian crossland
But like I'll pull it and like pull pieces out from it.
Like here's one there.
So like it never gets too long.
jack posobiec
I don't know.
lydia smith
It's curly.
jack posobiec
Ian is shedding next to me.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm shedding.
tim pool
All right, we'll do one more.
We got Super Xena says, just watched your last podcast on the tragedy involving that man.
The first lesson my father taught me was don't start fights because you don't know who will end it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
That story about the... Is that the snow thing?
Yeah.
I mean, that's...
I always just walk away.
unidentified
It's okay to walk away.
luke rudkowski
Just deescalate.
Do everything you can.
jack posobiec
It's okay to walk away.
I mean, whenever I have these conversations with people, it's, you know, oh, well, he said to me and I've got look, it's I get it.
It's especially if this is a problem that men have.
This is a problem that men have, where we are taught from an early age, never back down.
If you back down, that's showing weakness.
You're never supposed to look like a victim.
If someone disrespects you, you have to throw down and make sure that you... What?
What do you get from that?
What's your reward for that?
ian crossland
Yeah, we're not guerrillas anymore.
tim pool
I don't know if it's the Asian in me, but my upbringing was victory was the most important aspect, and the ninja was... Like, I explain this to people.
The ninja doesn't walk into the palace like and try and fight all the guards in front to confront the emperor, the feudal lord.
They sneak in around the back.
They disguise themselves as a common person.
jack posobiec
It is a very Western.
It is a very Western way of thinking.
I think about, like, the stereotypical depictions of, like... Like, victory has to be on the battlefield, right?
It's two meeting for single combat, crossing swords.
ian crossland
Right, right, right.
tim pool
Whereas, you know, and you had the samurai, but the way I've always approached it, I told this to the Occupy activists, I was like, do you think you're going to walk up to the palace guards, fight them and win, and walk up to the next wave of guards and fight them and win, or do you think the ninja who crawls in from the roof and then, you know, on the ceiling, setting up his escape routes and planning his months in advance is gonna win?
You have to be strategic about it.
That means I've never experienced a loss of pride from purposefully choosing to walk away
from conflict or a fight or some kind of battle.
jack posobiec
When I had that Lincoln statue altercation over the summer where the Antifa guy got right in my
face, there were a lot of people who said, Jack, why didn't you swing on him?
He was clearly in your space.
He was smacking me.
At one point, they tried to push me down.
Why not just take a swing at him?
Why not just take him out like that?
Because again, strategically thinking ahead, I know how that's going to look.
Right.
And this is a guy who's smaller than me.
tim pool
That's their plan.
jack posobiec
They want me to do that.
And there is more strength and there is more power in the victory of saying, I'm going to keep my hands by my side.
And no matter what you say to me, no matter what you do to me, I am not going to react.
tim pool
That photo was the legit victory.
So for those that aren't familiar, there's a photo of Jack standing in front of this Antifa guy who's all angry, and you just look stern.
That's it.
You look like, I'm just not... It's stern.
You're not angry.
jack posobiec
I was doing the prayer to Saint Michael in my head.
tim pool
There you go.
So I had a similar situation in Boston where a guy got in my face, and I just was like, alright, tighten the abs, clench the jaws, like, bring it on, buddy.
I'm not gonna swing on you.
I don't know what you're doing.
jack posobiec
Yeah, exactly right.
And there's strength in that.
There's strength in knowing that if I need to defend myself, yeah, okay, sure, I will.
But if you're just doing this, why?
ian crossland
I do magic.
Like, I'll think, it's calm.
You just think it instead of say it.
The photograph, they pause for a moment, then you can do whatever you want.
tim pool
It's all about information war, right?
That's why I said the photograph was the victory.
They wanted you to hit a guy who was smaller than you and say, Jack Posobiec showed up and started attacking people who were weaker than him.
jack posobiec
Right, then CNN, Jake Taper would be out there.
Conservative reporter for One American News, Jack Posobiec, has attacked an anti-racist protester in front of the Lincoln statue.
tim pool
And then you've come up back, this guy's smaller than him?
What's he doing?
Pick on me, huh?
unidentified
Come on!
tim pool
And then, you know, Cuomo would, like, raise his arms or whatever.
That's what they wanted.
Instead, they looked pathetic and weak, going... at you, who was just like, I'm cool as a cucumber, bro.
You know?
jack posobiec
Come at me, bro.
tim pool
Right on.
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, go to TimCast.com, become a member for exclusive members-only content.
Maybe we're going out to the range on Sunday, and so we didn't get a whole lot of footage last time.
Maybe we'll do more.
There's business involved.
luke rudkowski
I got some footage.
tim pool
Luke got some footage.
There's some fun stuff with the 50 BMG breach loading, which was loud.
It shut my camera off, because I was standing to the left of Luke when he fired.
My phone just turned off.
ian crossland
Is that a shockwave?
Can we get a final answer?
luke rudkowski
And then I'm like, okay, Tim, your turn.
He's like, no, we gotta go, we look at the time.
unidentified
Yeah, look at the time, man.
tim pool
Yeah, so anyway, we'll get some footage and we'll see what we do, but if you want to get exclusive members-only content, we got a ton up right now.
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Jack, do you want to shout anything out?
jack posobiec
She checks out One American News, Twitter at Jack Posobiec.
I will have my Antifa book coming in a couple of weeks now.
It's called Antifa Inside the Black Block, My Stories.
You can also go to antifamovie.com and check out the documentary we did, 60 Minutes, all about the history of Antifa, how they come from, and where they're going.
luke rudkowski
One of the quick things I wanted to say during the Super Chats is just really quickly, don't let them take away your happiness and your peace.
I want to thank MSNBC for inspiring me to bring back my old t-shirt.
I think it was my first ever shirt that said, don't drone me bro.
That is now.
Officially back on TheBestPoliticalShorts.com.
It was during the Obama era where it was pretty much created, and now it's still relevant.
tim pool
Full circle.
luke rudkowski
Who would have thought?
And yeah, TheBestPoliticalShorts.com.
I release YouTube videos on the YouTube channel WeAreChange.
I'm an independent YouTube channel still somehow existing, mainly because of you, and I want to thank you guys for watching and participating and being a part of the conversation on my channel.
It means a lot to me.
Thank you.
ian crossland
We are changed.
The best political shirts.
I will personally say I love the material.
I love the way it fits.
It's very warm, very snug.
I was pleasantly surprised.
You can also follow me online at Ian Crossland.
Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, and Mines.
I'm also streaming on Twitch twitch.tv slash Ian Crossland.
It's hot.
lydia smith
Very cool.
ian crossland
See you later.
lydia smith
And I am Sour Patch Lids.
I am on Twitter and Minds.com.
And I am Real Sour Patch Lids on Instagram and Gab because someone stole my username.
Anyway.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
We'll be back.
Is today Friday?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's Friday.
tim pool
Friday!
So we'll be back Monday at 8 p.m.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you then.
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