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Jan. 15, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Far Leftist CHARGED For Participation in Capitol Riot w/Jorge Ventura

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17:48

luke rudkowski

17:39

sagnik basu

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we knew that there was at least one Black Lives Matter activist who was a part of the
		storming the Capitol.
		And now we get a lot more information coming out on this guy, John Sullivan, who apparently now in leaked videos, he's cheering, we did it, we did it.
		He's with some other reporter or videographer.
		They actually got invited onto CNN to talk about what's happening.
		And I suppose they were claiming that they were just there in the capacity of filming.
		So Anderson Cooper has them on, and tell us what's happened.
		You've also got other news outlets that interviewed this guy.
		Now it turns out, after he's been arrested, I think he's been arrested, he's been charged, there's apparently evidence of him screaming, like, I got a knife, let's go, and, like, really getting into it, and people are being put off by it.
		Like, he's like, do it, do it, let's go, and we'll read some of his quotes, but, uh, This guy was propped up by CNN.
		I love it.
		My friends, I really have to recommend the latest Freedom Tunes video, because it's so good.
		It's basically a right-wing and left-wing pundit screaming whenever a riot happens on the other side.
		But I know it's not entirely fair, but it is still funny.
		Freedom Tunes is great.
		We have them on the show sometimes.
		But anyway, the point is...
		Here's this leftist being allowed to go on CNN and talk about all this stuff.
		He was doing it!
		He was one of the people leading the charge and encouraging people to do it.
		And then the media says, there were no leftists.
		What they'll do is they'll say, no Antifa.
		Well, the guy's not technically Antifa, because they play it both ways.
		They'll say, there is no Antifa.
		And then when it comes down to us colloquially calling someone Antifa, they'll say, he's not part of Antifa.
		Yeah, OK, we get it.
		Whatever fits their narrative.
		Now we can see it.
		We got a lot more though.
		Uh, we got leaked video from Project Veritas of Jack Dorsey in his rather drone, uh, way saying, there's gonna be a lot more after this.
		A lot more censorship.
		So basically him talking about banning Trump and how more is coming.
		And there's some creepy stuff happening.
		You know, we had this teenage girl snitched on her parents and this is like totally 1984 level stuff that we're starting to see.
		So kind of depressing.
		Maybe we'll talk about aliens cause we have that pulled up as well, but then we have some, uh, You know, I don't know how relevant this news is to everybody, but considering we're talking about the Capitol and we're talking about who's getting arrested, we have a story on this personality who worked for BuzzFeed.
		His name's Baked Alaska, many of you probably know him.
		He jumped bail to go to DC and then he skipped his court appearance afterwards and apparently
		he's missing.
		So he's been banned from all his platforms, which I mean he was banned a long time ago,
		and now apparently his lawyers have no idea where he is and the court's like, what's happened
		to this guy?
		So from BuzzFeed to working with Miley Yiannopoulos, storming the Capitol, and now being I guess
		a fugitive from the law?
		It's a crazy story.
		Considering you worked for BuzzFeed, I think it's particularly relevant, because we'll talk a bit about this.
		But before we get into everything, let's introduce some of our guests.
		We got, once again, one and only Jorge Ventura is chilling.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Jorge Ventura, field correspondent with The Daily Caller.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Glad to be back and just talk about all the madness going on in our country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you also, you did a documentary on the businesses that have been destroyed in California.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so we got a documentary on the restaurant industry just basically really struggling against big government, no help from the state, and me and Sonic here actually, you know, got to be on the ground and really tell those stories.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		So I know we'll get a little bit more into that, but really important story and we're just trying to focus on the average American again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're going to have fun ragging on California.
		I've got an article from a while back talking about all the failed policies of California, which we'll add into your experiences.
		But producer from The Daily Caller, Sagnik, you want to introduce yourself?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm Sagnik Basu, and I'm the producer for The Daily Caller.
		I decided to spend my holidays, you know, not being in the D.C.
		bubble and filming actual people in California who run local businesses and see what's up with them.
		And Jorge has been doing an amazing job on the field covering all these stories, so I just wanted to fly over, change course for a while, and shed actual light on these people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we'll get into all of it, but just before we do, California, failed state?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Failing for sure, definitely failing, definitely going downwards.
		People do not trust the people who rule over them and they can actually sense the fact that there's an aristocratic indifference from the people, from the governors.
		They realize that they don't really care and these lockdown measures not only make no sense, like banning outdoor dining, but on top of that when they see their Governor's like downing outside and stuff like that.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There's like a different like there's like the hate just goes to a different dimension Yeah, and of course we got the one and only Lucret Caskey You know, you know some people say skid row is the new Main Street and I think it makes totally perfect sense Hi, I'm an independent journalist that produces content on the YouTube channel.
		We are change I am also a very very humble t-shirt vendor on we are change that org forward slash.
		You always got some crazy This one celebrates my emancipation from New York as I left it.
		This is the New York state flag but edited towards my kind of understanding of it and it says F this place and it has two of the people that are usually there running away.
		As I moved away from New York City and I will never come back to that Family-friendly show.
		Also, very bad place.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Failed state.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course, we got Sour Patch Lids, pressing all the buttons.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I am here in the corner, pushing buttons.
unidentified		It's all good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		And we're gonna get everything.
		Before we do, we now have TimCast.com set up, so if you haven't already, go to TimCast.com and become a member.
		We will have probably our first members-only post coming up probably tomorrow, and it's gonna be after we wrap up here.
		We've got some friends we're gonna hang out, and it's probably gonna be a bit ridiculous, so that'll be up for everybody who becomes a member.
		We really need this.
		The reason I'm pushing so hard for this is because, as many of you may be aware, maybe not, Facebook recently terminated access to monetization for me.
		I've never cared for Facebook or relied on it heavily at all, and they've never actually paid me anything anyway, but it's the principle of the matter.
		I violated no rules, and they stripped me out of the program.
		Why?
		I reported on what happened at the Capitol.
		No calls for action.
		In fact, as you've listened to me the past week or so, it's been condemnation.
		Facebook didn't care.
		They nuked a ton of channels.
		So it was obvious at a certain point when we started putting the site together that we needed to create a base for the people who love the show and love the work we do.
		Because if we get the axe from YouTube or whatever, I want to at least try to keep things going.
		I know I often say that if I get banned, I'll just go down by the river.
		Well, you know, mostly true, but I'll at least try not to be entirely removed from the internet.
		So again, TimCast.com, sign up, become a member.
		But also, you'll notice if you go to the site, there's a shop button.
		When you click that, you'll be brought to a store where there now is a t-shirt which reads, I am a gorilla.
		I know everybody really wanted it.
		The chat was just filled with people posting gorilla emojis non-stop for months.
		It's been months now, hasn't it?
		It has.
		It's been months since Alex Jones came here and told everyone that he was a gorilla and everybody really wanted the shirt or just this was the meme.
		I made the shirt.
		It is the fastest selling shirt we've ever put up.
		It's crazy.
		So we're going to do a special edition very soon of him wearing a tinfoil hat that will only be available for like one week and then we're going to take it down.
		So definitely go to TimPast.com.
		You go to shop if you want to buy the I Am A Guerrilla t-shirt.
		But let's talk about this first story.
		And what's interesting about this is CNN platforming these people.
		How about that?
		Daily Caller reports, Feds charge left-wing activists who filmed shooting of Trump supporter at Capitol.
		They say.
		Federal prosecutors on Thursday announced charges against John Sullivan, a self-described left-wing activist who recorded the fatal police shooting of a Trump supporter inside the U.S.
		Capitol last week.
		Sullivan, the founder of a group called Insurgents USA, which formed in the aftermath of the death of George Floyd, is charged with illegally entering the Capitol, civil disorder, and violent or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.
		Sullivan faces separate charges for rioting and criminal mischief in connection with an incident in Provo, Utah on June 30th where a person was shot and injured during a protest against police brutality.
		For those that aren't familiar, a car was driving down the road and some Black Lives Matter dude runs up and just shoots him for no reason.
		Crazy stuff.
		He was one of the organizers.
		They say an FBI affidavit issued against Sullivan on Thursday cites comments he made on video he recorded during the Capitol breach.
		Sullivan told FBI agents as well as members of the media that he showed up at the Capitol to document the activities of Trump supporters who were protesting the results of the presidential election.
		But the FBI affidavit indicates Sullivan was acting more as an active participant in the riots than as a journalist.
		Here's the best part.
		Here's what I want to show.
		You got this clip right here.
		Mike Cernovich tweets this out.
		I can't stop laughing, sorry.
		I know it's all a scared time, but this is just too much.
		You have this image of Anderson Cooper bringing these people on his show to ask them about what's going on.
		That's interesting.
		I was told the people who stormed that building were domestic terrorists.
		CNN is putting these domestic terrorists on their TV to espouse their deranged views.
		That's incredible.
		From these quotes, it gets really interesting.
		Apparently, he said, let me see, I'll read this one.
		He said, quote, there are so many people, let's go.
		This S is ours, F yeah, he is heard saying in video.
		We accomplished this, this S. We did this together, F yeah.
	We are all part of the history, this history.
	Let's burn this S down.
	These are quotes from the dude that CNN had on TV.
	Wow.
	He was filmed as a Capitol Police officer shot Trump supporter Ashley Babbitt as she attempted to enter the barricaded section.
	Now, there's another interview that was put up by the Epoch Times where one reporter said he kept saying over and over again, she's dead.
	And there were people saying, no, no, we can save her.
	We can save her.
	And he goes, no, she's dead.
	And so what she was saying, this journalist, is that she thinks he was trying to enrage the Trump supporters so that they would take out some action like this would be a catalyst or something.
	In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper, hours after the fatal shooting, Sullivan acknowledged he was not a Trump supporter, but denied instigating the rioters who stormed the Capitol.
	I don't want to see people get hurt unnecessarily, he told Cooper.
	Some Trump supporters have pointed to Sullivan's presence in the Capitol to claim that left-wing activists have served as agent provocateurs, egging on Trump supporters to break into the Capitol and commit violence.
	I think that's confirmed at this point.
	And CNN did no vetting and put this guy on TV.
	Bravo.
	Now, I'll be real with all you guys.
	I'm actually fine with him being interviewed.
	If you've got someone who's a participant, journalists should interview them.
	Why did you do it?
	What's happening?
	The problem?
	They didn't vet this guy.
	He clearly lied.
	He was instigating.
	He was a part of it.
	I've even seen a photo.
	I don't know if it was actually from the event, but it looks like it's him wearing a Trump hat.
	And he's talking about how he's infiltrating, and he's gonna play a role.
	It seems like maybe this dude's real intent was to rile up Trump supporters so that they would be falsely accused, or not falsely accused, but that's so that they would do something really bad, and then boom, right there on TV.
	Sure enough, he goes on CNN, and what does he say?
	Oh yeah, look at everything they were doing.
	It's not us.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I watched that interview and it's just funny now that we're talking about it.
		It's like CNN interviewed him like if he was actually a journalist for a media company.
		It's like CNN, if you want a reporter's perspective on the ground, there's tons of ground reporters that were on the ground.
		You could have grabbed someone from the AP, from the Reuters, anywhere.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I gotta say something.
		I gotta say something.
		They took one of the people they claim is a domestic terrorist.
		That's what they keep saying, right?
		They put him on TV with this woman.
		Now this woman, there's a video where she's like, we did it, we did it.
		And he goes, this is gonna be the best film you've ever made.
		And they're like, yeah.
		And she goes, are you recording this?
		He goes, I'll delete it, I'll delete it.
		He's clearly egging them on.
		CNN says he was there in the capacity to document.
		Sitting across from us, over on a beanbag, is Richie McGinnis, who's chillin'.
		And the New York Times called him a rioter who punched the window.
		And Richie's a journalist!
		You guys are journalists!
		Working for a news organization with press credentials for the Capitol building.
		What do we get?
		The New York Times falsely calls Richie a rioter who punched the glass.
		Never even happened!
		They just make it up?
		What do they do?
		They make it up?
		They said, oh, this guy punched the window.
		And they're like, just publish it.
		And then this guy who's actually there saying, yes, let's do this, burn it down.
		CNN's like, interesting.
		From a videographer and photographer.
		This is what we... You know what, man?
		Life is parody.
		It's a joke, huh?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It definitely highlights how horrible the mainstream media is, but also a lot of questions about, you know, what actually happened there.
		Of course, a lot of people are going to be espousing their theories, but it's also important to note that Ford Fisher just found a Twitter thread about this guy from Allegedly left-wing people in Seattle from November of last year talking about how people in the activist community in Seattle think that he might be an infiltrator or an agent provocateur.
		Those are the exact words from a thread going all the way back in November specifically about this same John Sullivan individual.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who is this guy?
		So I got a thread from Max Blumenthal.
		Now, Max is a leftist, and he goes through this big thread about this guy, John Sullivan, saying that he was egging things on as it was happening.
		He says now he's at Exhibit A in right-wing claims that Antifa instigated the riot.
		But I think this is where the nuance comes in.
		I mean, this dude, John Sullivan, was rejected by Black Lives Matter, was rejected by even Antifa in Seattle.
		And here he is, On the ground, at the Capitol, pretending to be a Trump supporter or what?
		Pretending to be a journalist?
		So this is weird.
		Maybe it really just comes down to some crazy crackbot instigator who wants to watch the world burn.
		Maybe he's actually a leftist.
		He's certainly not a Trump supporter.
		I mean, especially... But it could be that he's a leftist who organized, you know, this Provo protest for Black Lives Matter.
		Yeah, maybe he might be aggressive, and he may be a provocateur, but it definitely seems like he's a leftist.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah and it was odd too because I was even watching some news from Utah like their local news stations also were interviewing John like if he was like a field correspondent for someone so this whole thing is just odd how it happened but you know it's kind of funny because it's like us at The Daily Caller we've been covering riots the whole summer and CNN never never hit us up for an interview and you know want to know our perspective from the ground up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The funny thing is, when the New York Times labeled Richie a rioter, the correction they put out said, what did they say, a right-wing outlet or something?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		A right-wing, Daily Caller, a right-wing outlet.
		That's the most bothersome part.
		It's like, not only do you not concede the fact that you guys were wrong and misleading, Why don't they say left-wing reporter for like Jim Acosta, you know?
		Yeah, right, right, right.
		like the correction he run is like making sure that he's more damaged by
		telling that oh a right-wing reporter was inside the Capitol you know what
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		that means why don't they say left-wing reporter for like Jim Acosta
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		you know you know what yeah right right right
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		with credentials yeah They could have just said, we made a mistake.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was a journalist.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		The worst part is like, it's not like they do not know who Richie McGinnis is.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Like they used the reporting for Kenosha, which was like invaluable to like most extent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And no, no, it shows they did know the groundwork.
		They didn't Google search.
		They didn't ask who this guy was.
		They just said, it's a writer.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem with mainstream media.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		They are so married to their narrative, it doesn't really matter what comes in weight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're so married to the narrative that they'll put one of the people who stormed the Capitol and cheered it on, on the news, as a journalist!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then the New York Times will call the journalist a rioter.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		And you know what's the best part of it, Tim?
		Is CNN is not going to even update a story like, hey guys, we just interviewed a rioter.
		We just found out this is the charge.
		They won't even update it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everything he said was probably wrong.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But this is important.
		According to the FBI, the initial reports that I'm seeing right now, this John Sullivan allegedly told the police officers to stand down in the speaker's lobby.
		And then he, quote, agitated the crowd to attack the doors and windows when he filmed at the moment when Ashley Babbitt was shot and killed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He told the cops to stand down?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		This is according to some initial reports I'm seeing here.
		I wasn't able to verify.
		This is allegedly according to the FBI.
		I need a few more minutes to kind of fact-check this.
		I'll send you a link right now.
		There's a justice.gov document that I will... Here we go!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In the FBI affidavit, they say, several times during the video, Sullivan encounters law enforcement officers who are trying to prevent further advancement through the building by those who entered unlawfully.
		In at least two encounters, Sullivan can be heard on video arguing with officers, telling them to stand down so that they do not get hurt.
		Among other things, Sullivan can be heard telling officers, you are putting yourself in harm's way.
		The people have spoken and there are too many people.
		You got to stand down.
		The people out there that tried to do that as they got hurt.
		I saw it.
		I'm caring about you.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Hey, what's wrong with that?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And that's when, and that's when Ashley Babbitt was shot and killed.
		That's another important aspect here because he's inciting at the exact moment where it was the worst scenario that unfolded that could have gone very much more haywire.
		A lot more people could have got hurt.
		And we're extremely, extremely lucky that that situation just led to one death.
		Cause it, cause it could have easily, it could have easily led to a whole massacre and a whole disaster that luckily didn't happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he really cares about much.
		I mean, reading about him, the left is like, nah, dude, look at this guy.
		And I'm kind of like, I'm seeing what they're saying.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		He just wants chaos.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He wants to watch the world burn.
		That's his thing.
		What is going on?
		There's a cat running around, going crazy.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I tried.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The cat came in here and started running around going nuts.
unidentified		I gotta throw her out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, back to the important news.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the bonus content you've all been waiting for.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Mr. John Saul.
		Hey, he's just there to document, guys.
		He's just there to document.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		She's doing her job.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		It's alright.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what was going on?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're distracted by a cat.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		We were talking about the FBI.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Richie's now crawling around.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Richie, you can stand up and get the cat.
unidentified		It's fine.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		But now, Tim, we're getting a little bit more information on some of the arrests that are coming out.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I believe we had like two Virginia state officers involved.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Apparently some cops were guiding them.
		One cop put on a MAGA hat and told them where to go.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when I hear about, you know, they're locking down D.C., like 20,000 National Guard or whatever, and they're going to shut down the National Mall.
		I think there's legit like threats because this is this stuff that's happening with the 6th, the Electoral College.
		That was Trump being like, let's go peacefully march.
		I imagine there's actual people who are fired up and crazy.
		And the 6th wasn't their day.
		No, I'm I'm I'm I'm hoping they keep their security tight.
		Well, we get through this peacefully.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Another thing to really consider here was that there was a lot of arrests made of military personnel.
		So that's another huge factor here.
		And we had that letter that we talked about in yesterday's podcast about the military sending out notices that it was Joe Biden that won the election.
		It's not a contested election and now there's even a photo going around with one of the soldiers laying down and reading Atlas Shrugged inside of the Capitol that's getting the rounds on social media and people are betting how long it's gonna take for this soldier to be kicked out of the Capitol as there's Congress members demanding that the military there are vetted to make sure that they don't believe in Donald Trump and or our right-wingers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He read Atlas Shrugged, that confirms it.
		He's far right.
		Somebody tweeted, there's a viral tweet, it was on Reddit too, it said, it says far right, it shows Kyle Rittenhouse, and then it says right, and it shows Nancy Pelosi, and it says center, and it's AOC.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That was the dumbest thing ever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then it says left, and it says, you know, leadership not found, and they were like, the Overton window has shifted so far to the right that there is no left leadership in this country.
		And it's like, bro, if you think AOC is a centrist, you need to, you need to turn the internet off.
		You need to just go outside for a couple of days and not go online, not read the news and just like, you know, do some chores.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		That's what, that's what goes to show like how much power the left has over the media.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		It's like, they have been able to shift the Overton window so efficiently and without people like noticing it, like they do it so gradually and it becomes like risky to say like normal things, which people used to believe in like two years ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's the thing.
		The reason why, this guy doesn't get it, the reason why there's no, in his mind, left leadership is because if you actually realign the Overton window properly, you can't go further left than Ocasio-Cortez.
		You can argue authoritarianism, libertarianism, you can argue her policies aren't effective enough or she's not an effective leader, but she's a literal socialist, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
		So let's just do this.
		If we're talking about the economic scale, left versus right, she's a socialist.
		Socialism is literally the far left end of the spectrum, whereas laissez-faire capitalism is the far right.
		If she was, you know, like a social democrat, like Denmark, where you have a capitalist system, but a large welfare state, you could argue she's just a leftist.
		No, she's far left.
		And I'm not saying that disparagingly.
		She is.
		If you want to talk culturally, left versus right, which is far left would be progressive, and far right would be traditionalist.
		AOC is far, far left.
		Like, intersectional, proposing bills on far left, ultra-woke, ultra-progressivism.
		I don't want to pretend like she's the furthest left possible because there's probably an argument there about what constitutes as far left as you can go, but when you're a socialist who is ultra-woke, you've got the cultural spectrum and the economic spectrum, and considering where she stands relative to everyone else in the country, she's probably the furthest left politician we actually have in office.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to say, Tim, do you think that picture came from, because I know right now the progressive movement of the Democratic Party, they're really actually upset with the squad because they didn't do the force the vote on the Medicare for All.
		Do you think that's an issue?
		Because I know I'm actually seeing, obviously, Jimmy Dore and other progressives now come out and say, AOC is actually not even one of us.
		She's now part of the establishment.
		So do you think that's where it's coming from?
		What's your thoughts on that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can argue that she's an ineffective leader.
		Right.
		But she won't force a vote.
		She won't even put the pressure on him.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		force of all she won't even put pressure on her.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then the question is what is she, her being far left is a question of what she believes
		and advocates for.
		Just because she was like my strategy is different doesn't mean she's not far left.
		So there are people who try to argue she's not really a leftist, that she's a careerist
		and it's exemplified by the fact that she voted for Pelosi and refused to stand up.
		And I'm like dude if a guy came out and advocated for fascism but then voted for Republicans
		you'd still call him a fascist.
		You know what I mean?
		You'd be like, the guy's clearly a fascist.
		She's clearly a socialist.
		She's clearly far left.
		She just supports Democrats as a means to an end.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		If we could have a political scale, I wish it could be if you believe in freedom or if you're an authoritarian.
		And those are the biggest ones because when you look at AOC, she's talking about putting Trump supporters on list.
		She's calling for the banning of parlor.
		She's calling for the reigning in of media and the media environment.
		That's total totalitarian, big government.
		And to me, the most important spectrum that gets overshadowed is if you believe in freedom or if you believe in total government.
		And she, in my opinion, believes in total government.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so that's the thing, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you look at someone like her, she's an authoritarian.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They'll tell you she's not.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		But she's on the right side of the aisle, though.
		That's why media doesn't distinguish between that.
		She's on the left-hand side.
		She's on the left, but from her perspective, she thinks that locking down Trump supporters or anyone who has worked in that government is okay.
		And the media allows that only because she's advocating that from the left.
		So authoritarianism doesn't matter because she's advocating it from the left-hand side of the aisle.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so I think the left fundamentally, many of these younger leftists don't understand what authoritarianism means versus libertarianism, freedom versus authority, the hierarchical control versus the decentralized system.
		AOC is definitely on the authoritarian scale.
		And so is Bernie Sanders for that matter.
		But they always show you this political compass that shows Bernie and AOC on libertarian left.
		And I'm like, nah.
		You can't advocate for banning private insurance and call that libertarian.
		You can argue for voting for a cooperative system, like if you were to say, you know, even if you were to argue for universal health care, there's still an authority element in that.
		I wouldn't necessarily argue it's overly authoritarian, but when you follow it up with, and then we're going to take away from you, now you're in the authoritarian spectrum.
		You're taking from people, and then you're distributing it.
		Well, so it's a combination of the two, right?
		get universal health care. I would argue there's a path to that that is not authoritarian. It's
		very, very difficult because you're taking people's resources. You're by force, essentially.
		But if it's through a democratic process and a vote, then it's not authoritarian,
		but it's getting close to the line. Then coming afterwards and saying we want to ban what you have
		Okay, that's definitely the authority saying, I know what's better for you, and you're not allowed to choose.
		That's where you're possibly going.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		And the metric for that is like, if the means to your end involves government power, the way you're doing it is probably authoritarian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they won't admit it, though, and that's why it's funny you see someone like Jimmy Dore.
		Jimmy Dore's libertarian left, and he wants universal health care, which is a cooperative system, and he wants them to challenge the machine, the powers, the establishment.
		He wants to challenge the authority system to, in his perspective, Force the authority to relinquish the power and then give it to the lower classes.
		That's like how the left often views what they're doing.
		I don't want to speak for Jimmy.
		I really respect the guy.
		I think he's a good dude.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, but I mean, is AOC, does she even have any power in Washington?
		Because, you know, she came into D.C.
		She's supposed to be this young Congresswoman who's going to break the Democratic establishment.
		But it seems now she's just become a cognitive in the machine.
		She votes for Nancy Pelosi.
		She really hasn't got anything progressive passed.
		So are we overblowing of how powerful AOC is?
		No, no, no.
		It seems like she's now a cognitive in the machine.
		She's playing the game.
		Look, she'll come out on Twitter and be revolutionary, but when it comes to voting, she's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But she was a freshman congresswoman.
		She's not going to get anything done.
		I think she renamed some post offices.
		But that's what happens when you're in your first term.
		You're not going to have any power or any leverage or any connections.
		And so you get what you get.
		She's got, what, 12 million followers?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		She's not going anywhere for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She is sucking the money from the Democrats like Trump did from the Republicans.
		Now, she might go somewhere.
		Democrats might get rid of her.
		The Republicans want to get rid of Trump because he's sucking up all the donations.
		Not only that, after him, all these corporations are like, we're not going to donate to these Republicans anymore.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So now they're like, get rid of Trump!
		Nah, you can't.
		No, he's got to accept it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would actually disagree with you guys, because when we look at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, she's in government, she's a freshman, you know, congresswoman, so she's not doing that much, but culturally, she's doing a lot.
		When she's playing The Last of Us and she's espousing her ideas, when she's going on Twitter, when she's going and ranting on livestream, she gets millions of views and everyone's listening to her, and she's the kind of new thought leader Of the left promoting authoritarianism and making it trendy it's trendy that the big corporations control everything it's trendy and cool that that there's someone that will punish the bad guy whoever that bad guy may be at any moment in time based on our narrative that changes and is absolutely bipolar so so that in that aspect we have to understand.
		Huge, huge power and influence that hasn't been tested, hasn't been challenged effectively at all, in my opinion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a nuanced argument, I would say, to say that she's not a leftist, in that she's just a tribal leftist.
		Meaning, she says things that will get her clicks, get her more followers, and it works.
		It's really easy to go to someone and say, vote for me and I'll fight for you.
		Why?
		Because I am the true progressive.
		I'm gonna make them give you money.
		How would you like $2,000?
		Cash in your pocket.
		Vote for me.
		Yeah, that's called whispering sweet nothings into a constituent's ear.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of what Andrew Yang is doing right now with his run in New York City.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		But it works.
		A lot of people are so desperate.
		They're so downtrodden.
		They're so screwed over by the government.
		I mean, when we look at the actual issues that are affecting us, failing wages, the deindustrialization, the lack of jobs, the lack of ability to actually have economic mobility in the United States, people are so poor.
		People are so downtrodden that they're like, Yeah, I'll take it.
		Just give it to me.
		Just whatever I have to do.
		Sure, give me that $2,000.
		And of course, as someone who doesn't believe in government, there was still, I have to admit this, a lot of individuals where that $2,000 would have actually made a big difference in people's lives.
		That would have been so important for them.
		I agree with you right there, Luke.
		And I believe in anarchism.
		I don't believe in government doing anything for anyone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you're not a real anarchist, Luke, because you're not leftist anarchist.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Whatever, it doesn't matter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm kidding.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		But look, I just want to touch what you said.
		I think after the experience with me and Sonic in California, like talking to the restaurant industry, it's like, when we're there, it's like, we could see these folks need the $2,000.
		And they just need something.
		And it's just like from government, there's no urgency.
		And it's just, we're just failing the average American.
		So now these leftists come in and say, here, vote for me.
		You get 2,000 reoccurring checks.
		I mean, those checks never come.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But listen, you're right.
		These people need these checks.
		But how twisted is it?
		That a dude walks into your house, and he takes your gallon of milk out of your fridge, and he dumps it down the drain.
		And then you're like, bro, I need milk.
		And he goes, all right, all right, I'll tell you what, vote for me, and I'll give you milk.
		It's like, you took the milk from me in the first place, dude!
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		That's like Keynesian economists 101.
		If you break someone's garage door, it's your job to fix the garage door.
		The government did this to the economy.
		It's their job to make sure that these people have a safety net.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, the problem is, it is the perfect scenario for the government.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They create the dependence.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then they create the problem and they're the only solution.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they give us power, then we'll solve this thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We started the problem.
		It's our fault.
		But don't worry, if you vote for us, we'll fix it for you.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And they're going to make a lot worse by devaluing your dollar, collapsing the economy.
		And then the price of your daily items at the grocery store will go up dramatically and you won't be able to afford to live.
		The medical industry is already rigged.
		It's even going to be more rigged with companies like Amazon coming into the play here as they're trying to get control of the healthcare market now as Amazon just recently teamed up with Warren Buffett with Berkshire and Jamie Diamond of JP Morgan to launch a new healthcare company.
		So when you look at this kind of megalo, like, monopoly, huge conglomerate of a glob that is Amazon, they've taken over the book business, they're taking over their online retail business, they're taking over all the lucrative government contracts, they're taking over grocery stores, and now they're trying to take over the health industry.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		But Luke, it's okay, because they tweet Black Lives Matter, Luke, it's okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, hold on, let me stop you guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ragging on Amazon.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about this.
		Think about this.
		I remember when I was growing up, they were like, how many banks were there?
		It's like, you want to go to the bank?
		There were so many banks.
		Well, then by just good fortune, Bank of America bought up every single bank.
		And so then it was like, dude, you could walk a block and boom, Bank of America.
		So the ATM was super easy to use, super convenient.
		How awesome was that?
		So here's what I think about.
		Imagine a future where you open your phone, right?
		You open your phone and you get a hundred apps.
		I don't even know what's going on, there's so many apps.
		I would like one app.
		We'll call it App.
		Then think about, you gotta go to the doctor.
		I don't wanna think about what building I have to go to.
		How about we just have one big building called Store?
		And it'll be owned by Jeff Bezos, and App will be owned by Google, and it'll just do everything.
		Right?
		That's the future we're going to head towards, where there's one massive... I'm joking for those that people haven't gotten through the facetiousness, but the point I'm making is they're hyper-monopolizing everything into single sources for everything, where they will be the provider, and then I want you to think about what that future has in store for you.
		When you get banned by app, you can't order food, you can't use your map, you're done.
		Imagine if Apple banned you from their iPhone, iOS.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		They could.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You don't own the software, they're licensing it to you on your phone.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		People don't question aggregation of power, monopoly, oligopolies.
		You know, people don't get to.
		I love the naivety of these people who think that, well, Jeff Bezos can't force the Washington Post to write, you know, whatever.
		So, you know, they're editorially independent.
		Washington Post, but they're not questioning the fact that this one
		company gets to control so much that if I fall out of line, what will happen to me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These, you know, people don't get to, I love the naivety of these people who
		think that, well, Jeff Bezos can't force the Washington Post to write, you know,
		whatever.
		So, you know, they're, they're editorially independent.
		It's like, Oh, shut up, dude.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jeff Bezos will just be like, oh, I can't tell you what to write, but no budget this year.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		You don't walk here anymore.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Right.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		And then not only that, Tim, we also have to think about the influence of the Washington Post, because now journalists who are dying to get to the washington post they're never gonna
		investigate amazon they're never gonna
		report on amazon truthfully because they wanna they want that washington post job too so then
		you make other companies, all these other media and journalists kind of just bend over to you
		without even having to be at the washington post either so that's
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		something that plays a role too that's why the trump news cycle dominated for so long
		because it was not a threat to the establishment
		but it gave them this like narrative that they were fighting the machine
		It was really fun. I'd hear from leftists when they'd say like, you know, I would talk about
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Apologize Watson says, you know conservatism is a new counterculture and it's punk rock
		Apparently the most punk rock song you could write would be supporting the president because the entirety of the
		cultural machines is against him Yeah, and people bet that's not true. He's the president
		And I'm like, yeah.
		Who struggles to get any of his policies done because the Republicans don't even like him.
		He hires and fires people faster than anybody else we've ever seen.
		And he's really locked up because of the Mueller investigation.
		Like, the dude was pinned down in a lot of ways.
		Far from perfect.
		But the point is, just because you're president doesn't mean you control anything, right?
		I mean, you do have a lot of control.
		Trump was able to do a lot of things.
		But I look now at AOC.
		And if politics is downstream from culture, trust me, man, give it 15 years and AOC is going to be considered, they're going to call her conservative.
		She's going to be considered a moderate Democrat by the time she's like, you know, in her 50s or 60s.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		So like, you don't think, you don't think that she actually believes the things she sounds like right now?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		No, she does.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying is that in, how old is she now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's 28?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		No, she's like 31.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		night. She's like she's like 31 yet yet so in in you know let's
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		say 30 years. Universal health care. Universal jobs guarantee all that stuff she's
		talking about in that little drawing thing she did.
		That will be considered center yeah.
		The Republicans are being excised.
		Conservative values are gone.
		And you know, it's a conservative's fault in a lot of ways.
		I've had so many arguments with conservatives about big tech censorship over the past several years.
		I remember once, when I was in Milwaukee, I was talking to this guy and I said, we need to regulate big tech.
		to protect freedom of speech, and he argued with me.
		And I was like, dude, if you want to sit here and argue with me that we shouldn't regulate these companies when I'm like the liberal arguing for this, I'm just going to agree with you.
		You know why?
		It's not my ideology getting purged from the internet.
		So by the time you've figured out what's happening to your ideas and your ideology and your politics, you'll be long gone, and I'll have been fighting to preserve my politics and what I believe in.
		So if you're not smart enough to realize what's happening, then maybe your ideas don't deserve to exist anyway.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hey, Jack Dorsey's more powerful than the President of the United States.
		I think that says it all.
		The good thing is, I don't know if it's a good thing, but I think it's an interesting concept is how these other countries are now waking up to this concept of what's social media in the United States and just kind of that reach between social media and then big government here in the United States.
		Now other countries are like, wait a minute, when it comes to election time, We should be banning the, we should be banning the Facebook and the Twitter.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Uganda just did it.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		And they saw like this, if this American app can like ban their own president, we won't let Jack Dorsey dictate what happens in our country, in our democracy.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Really quick, before you go, just, just a funny, it was a daily, we have a guy named Logan Hall with the Daily Caller and he tweeted, he's like, he's like, Hey Facebook, why don't you, why don't you go build your own country?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I said, why don't you build your own Uganda?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is important here.
		I don't know if we should maybe pull this up, but the Mexican president just announced that he's going to be mounting an international campaign against social media bans.
		So the Mexican president right now is saying that the first thing he's going to do at the next upcoming G20 meetings is to organize a proposal This is interesting stuff, dude.
		course make sure that social media companies cannot suspend ...
		freedom of expression and he's actively fighting for I never ...
		thought I would I would ever say this the Mexican president ...
		is actively fighting for the speech of Donald Trump.
		What 2021.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's do this.
		Let's do this.
		Let's talk about what Veritas just ended up publishing.
		We have a story from Breitbart.
		Project Veritas video shows Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey saying censorship is not, quote, going away anytime soon.
		It's interesting.
		I heard James O'Keefe puts up this video and he says, we got a recording of Jack Dorsey speaking.
		And I said, man, I wish it was just Jack Dorsey literally sitting there with his real voice going, now we're going to ban all of the conservatives and they'll never speak again!
		But in reality, life isn't like that.
		So it's really just him going, so we're focused on this one account and, you know, what we're seeing with these other accounts, like QAnon, it's not going to stop anytime soon, but right now we're focused on this one account.
		Life's boring.
		It really is.
		You're not gonna hear some secret meeting between, you know, Jack Dorsey and... No.
		He's like, it's like, he's on the phone with CNN, he's like, I think we're gonna do the right thing.
		And ban Trump.
		Alright, have a good day.
		I just got off the phone!
		They believed everything!
		No, it's not, it's not like that.
		Jack is exactly like he is, exactly like he speaks, and it's the banality of evil.
		It's him going there being like, we're doing the right thing to prevent violence by silencing 74 million people who are extremely angry right now.
		And I know that they just stormed the Capitol and they were all extremely angry and there was several people who died.
		And I think it's the appropriate thing to make them angrier and prove everything they believed is true.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Well, Tim, I want to ask you, when you did the whole thing when, you know, Joe Rogan had you on and you just kind of, like, came on and just pressed Jack, did you leave that podcast and was like, hey, I think this guy might fake some things, I think he, like, considers some of the things we're saying, or were you just like, no, he's an oligarch and it is what it is?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cause we were talking about blockchain technology and you know, there was talk about, I don't know if we talked about it on the show, there was talk about creating a social media network on the blockchain so you can never ban anyone.
		And I was like, dude, that's nightmarish.
		You know why?
		Cause then when you're 16 and you post something really dumb on the blockchain, it's forever.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Forever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't get rid of it.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's horrible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I'm like, you know, people need, but maybe that would actually not that bad of a thing because if everybody was forced to realize we've all been dumb kids saying dumb things.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was classic Tim.
		That was good stuff.
		Before you say that, I can see what you said when you were 16.
		So how about we just shut up right now?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		It's a cancel culture, we'll be a thing about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it might actually end up being a good thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, no, I think he's a bad person.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That was classic, Tim. That was good stuff.
		You just drilling him and him having to be like, he had to bring another Twitter person to handle the
		questions.
		It was legendary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, because Joe and Jack did it the first time, and then they were both like, we need to have a bigger conversation about this.
		No, but like, following that, he was talking about, we talked about the road to redemption.
		Like, if in the real world, you could murder somebody, and you only go to prison for 25 years, you get let back out.
		With restrictions, right?
		And I was like, but you could say, learn to code on Twitter and be banned for life!
		I'm a little harsh, don't you think?
		And so Jack was saying, this is now what, like two years ago?
		He's like, we're gonna have a road to redemption.
		People will be able to come back.
		We'll find a path to come back on.
		And I was like, you need to do that.
		And it needs to be, get rid of this idea of permanent bans.
		Like, you know, it needs to be like, like the worst case scenario is a five-year ban.
		That's still a really long time.
		But most people who got banned for like Learn to Code, it should have been a month.
		Like, I mean, honestly, you shouldn't get banned for saying Learn the Code.
		But if it was something like, we've deemed this to be harassment, then come on, a lifetime permanent ban?
		Well, more's coming.
		So, look, we have this video from James O'Keefe.
		It's not the craziest thing.
		He just basically says, we're focused on one account, Trump, right now, but this is going to be much bigger than just one account.
		And it's going to go on for much longer than just this day, this week, in the next few weeks, and go on beyond the inauguration.
		Dude, everybody, Just stop using Twitter, man.
		I guess there's a reason to use it.
		I've said many times in the past, I'm going to stop using Twitter.
		I still use it, but I just don't care anymore.
		So I just do a lot of trolling.
		I love watching Michael Malice on Twitter.
		I learned from the best.
		He's the best.
		Massive troller, yeah.
		I've seen really good trolls, but he really knows how to make people's brains crack.
		And so, I just put out tweets that I think are funny, and I don't think about it anymore.
		Maybe that is part of the problem, though, because then a ton of people are like, yeah, but then I'm gonna follow you because you say funny things, and then people react because they're dumb.
		And I'm like, yeah.
		Yeah.
		I should probably just stop posting tweets.
		You know what I do?
		A lot of the opinions I put on Twitter, I just say in my videos anyway.
		Twitter doesn't even do anything for me.
		It's just pointless.
		You know what, man?
		I get there's a lot of people Who really want to get more likes and more shares and more followers?
		I don't care about that.
		I cared about it when I first got started and I had that first experience of going from like 800 followers to like 5,000.
		And it was a weird thing having people talking to me all the time, getting hit up.
		I was like, what's happening?
		And then I remember, this is back in 2011, getting the first super stressful anxiety from seeing like 30 tweets where they were like, Tim Poole's a fag, he's a cop.
		And I'm like, what's happening?
		I'm being inundated with all these tweets.
		And it was freaking me out.
		And I'm like, I don't want to look at this.
		And then I just like kind of thought about it and I was like, I don't even know these 30 people.
		I looked through it, I was like, hold on, hold on, wait a minute.
		How many people are insulting me right now?
		I went through it and I was like, there's not even that many people.
		And then I thought about it and just stopped caring.
		But I took the platform seriously for a long time.
		I would livestream, I would post news.
		And then, I think maybe it was a year and a half ago or so, I was just like, I'm not gonna post my videos anymore.
		I'm not gonna treat this platform.
		I actually deleted the app from my phone.
		And then I thought about it and I was like, you know, I do like using the app to follow the news organizations.
		and certain journalists. So I should probably still have it.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's when I flipped to just like just posting nonsense for fun.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, the sad thing is a lot of people are obsessed with it and it's their entire existence
		and it's also their entire identity. And when you see individuals like that, it's like,
		okay. I mean, and then we also have to understand the other spectrum here.
		Your emotions could be manipulated by bots or by fake government sock puppet accounts that could manipulate your feelings and emotions based on what they say.
		That's why I think it's really smart what you did with your website, trying to get your kind of crowd on your platform where you have contacts with them.
		That's one of the reasons I've been Setting up a similar system and collecting emails on wearechange.org because I understand that once I have the actual context, once I have one-on-one communication with my audience, I could open up the comments.
		I could have an honest conversation that there is no middle person and I think we need to tell people to do this more and more.
		Get your own lists.
		Make sure there's no middle person standing in the ground that could decide what you get to hear, who you get to talk to, Because when you look at the algorithms, they are programmed for a specific outcome.
		But once you got one-on-one email communication, email still could be rigged in many different ways, especially with the spam box.
		But it's, in my opinion, one of the best things we have right now, and we should really be taking advantage of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about this, man.
		You know, so I've got on this channel, we're at like 900 and something thousand subscribers.
		You guys are awesome.
		Thanks so much for subbing.
		And we're really close to getting that gold medal.
		But I got two other channels over a million.
		So there's probably some overlap, you know, some people subscribe to all three, but there really are a lot of people who aren't, who are subscribed to only one or the other.
		Then I got, you know, 790,000 or so on Twitter, and I'm like, man, if I could get just 10,000 people giving 10 bucks a month, we would not have to worry about any of the censorship.
		Out of the millions of people, just 10,000 people.
		I mean, man, for that matter, even if it was just 5,000 people, that's crazy.
		And you know what the crazy thing is?
		The leftists do it.
		They do it and they do it really easily.
		That's why some of the biggest podcasts in the world, I'm not going to name any of them, but they make like, they're making like 150K on subscribers every month.
		And I see that and I'm like, they don't care about what they say because they know they're directly funded by the people who like their content.
		Whereas I made the mistake of just doing a traditional ad model, which means if I get nuked, business over.
		So I was like, we got to start this.
		I should have done it a long time ago.
		And now we really got to start pushing it and making that the core function of what we do.
		Because if you're, you're, you're, you're better off with 10,000 dedicated fans giving 10 bucks a month, because then you can, you can really run a business with that kind of money.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when YouTube demonetized me at first, I was like, oh my god, I'm going to lose all my money.
		This is horrible.
		And then I'm like, well, I just got thrown into the deep end.
		I could sink or swim.
		And I was like, let me swim.
		And I set up a similar system that you have.
		And I started making shirts.
		And again, people need to understand one thing that you bring up is this extremely important point that you as the individual watching right now have the ultimate power to decide With your attention, with your votes, with your dollars, with your clicks, what prevails?
		If you want the nonsense to prevail, you're going to focus on the nonsense and give your energy and time and focus on that nonsense.
		If you want good things to prevail, you're going to make sure those good things do prevail by investing in them with your time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We used to do, uh, when I used to do fundraising, they would have these little gimmicks where they'd be like, it's 10 bucks a month, not even a cup of coffee every day.
		So, you know what you do?
		Instead of getting that venti, you get a grande instead, and boom!
		You're supporting your favorite creator.
		At the time, we were talking about non-profits, so we're like, you want to save the rainforest, right?
		Forgo one cup of coffee per month, boom!
		You're saving the rainforest.
		You got to do what you can to help support the things you like.
		But I really want to stress that point.
		Out of the, you know, combined follower count of all of my socials, around like four plus million, We only need 10,000 people.
		And then we're totally financially independent from this entire system.
		But I'm talking like 10,000 people at 10 bucks a month is expansion territory.
		Like new buildings, new staff, new news.
		That's the territory we want to get into.
		Now with Jack Dorsey saying it's going to keep expanding, I'm thinking maybe I should just stop using Twitter.
		Look, I like the Twitter list I've curated of people I follow because I got a good balance and I use it for news aggregation.
		Getting banned would kind of...
		You know, hurt my ability to follow the news.
		So why bother even contributing to the noise?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		So, like, do you, like, given the fact that the subscription model and this ad model is getting more popular with, like, people on the left and people on the right, do you think, like, the concept of, like, the public square is gonna be, like, outdated or is, like, even overrated for some people?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is.
		Twitter destroyed it.
		Yeah?
		Twitter really is the place that destroyed it, because that's where up-to-date political news happens.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, Facebook is like a bulletin board where you walk up and you put something on the wall and you walk away.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Twitter is like the people standing there talking to each other.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Each other, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So them taking the power and giving it to the left, and then the left acting like it's not happening,
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		is what's the end of even moderate views in this country.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		When do you think that switch happened though?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean it's gradual, it's grains of sand in the heat, right?
		So over time, Twitter has become more and more prominent.
		I think Donald Trump played a huge role in it.
		Donald Trump should have gone to another platform.
		He didn't do it.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that was like the guilt for them?
		Like, yeah, we did not... We, the fact that we covered the WikiLeaks story and all this, like, gave credence to this guy and now he's in, like, the president's seat.
		Like, that's like the guilt for them?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe, but the real issue is that Jack Dorsey seems to have never talked to a conservative before.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So like when he went on the Joe Rogan podcast, it was aptly and accurately pointed out by many conservatives.
		They were like, why are four liberals sitting in a room talking about banning conservatives and two liberals are defending conservatives instead of having the conservatives actually in the defend themselves?
		Oh, that's a great point.
		Joe asked me to come.
		I'm admittedly a liberal on most of these issues, but I believe in freedom.
		I don't think the current version of liberal is even liberal.
		These are like authoritarian.
		But it's not even, you know, the people who say they're liberals are just tribal Democrats.
		You know, so that we might agree on some economic issues, but they don't agree on freedom.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it really just comes down to the fact that Jack doesn't know... He lives in a bubble, a far-left, ultra-progressive bubble.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Echo chamber, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he thinks it's normal.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So he's like, when he hears a conservative say, I think, you know, he'll hear a conservative say, we need to have better border security to make sure that we can protect our jobs, he goes, a Nazi!
		It's like, actually, that's most of the country, but you live in a bubble.
		So I'll tell you one thing, man.
		When I heard, there are some leftists who have shows where they've got like 30,000 or 50,000 people giving every month.
		And I'm like, that one leftist dude is a millionaire because leftists are collectivists.
		Because when the authority says, rally to me, and they raise their fist, they all say, yes, it's what they believe in.
		Conservatives don't really do that.
		Conservatives are more individualists.
		So I think this is a big weakness for conservatives.
		You know, Crowder has Mug Club, so he's absolutely been on the game with this.
		And you think about it, when YouTube nuked him, he was fine.
		Why?
		He's got Mug Club.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		He has the backing of the Mug Club.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yup, yup.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, man, what am I doing?
		I was like, we really gotta make sure we have that barrier.
		I've taken donations from people for a long time.
		I never, like, stress it to an extreme degree.
		But this is the legit reason to make sure that We're hearing the words straight out of Jack Dorsey's mouth.
		The bombs are dropping.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		And then we're seeing it right after January 6th.
		Instagram actually started deleting a lot of photojournalists, like a lot of their posts just from the 6th.
		So now if you just report the news, like straight news... That's what happened to me, dude.
		You're now going to get shadowbanned, censored, you're going to get warnings, you're going to get all this stuff deleted.
		So, first it starts off with Trump, and then we're just going to start moving into the people who just do straight news.
		Like, people that I literally just do news, I'll see them get their stuff nuked on Instagram, Facebook, and then we're going to see it on Twitter too.
		I mean this is just it's horrible I mean the thing is for me is it's easy I would love to be in a position to be like I want to delete Twitter but I'm still on the on the up-and-coming where I need Twitter for the type of work that I do you know field correspondent journalism so very tough spot for people like me right now and it's just like well you know what do we do at this point?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you don't have to contribute to, like, the core of what's causing Twitter to be a problem.
		You can post news, you can follow news.
		I'm talking about, you know, when I tweet jokes or trolling, it gives people a reason to use the platform.
		So for me, I'm kind of like, maybe I should just use it as a business vehicle of reading what people are talking about.
		You know, I used to do segments where I would see someone, like, do a Twitter thread, and then I would argue a little bit, and I was just like, I don't care about these people.
		I don't care about taking some verified blue check with a million followers and then doing a video where I'm like, well, here's why they're wrong.
		I'm not interested.
		Maybe sometimes, but I've tried to get away from a lot of that stuff and just keep the focus of the news.
		And I think the more we keep our addictions to Twitter for whatever reason, then, you know, it's just going to keep this, this, it's going to keep dominating the system.
		And it's, it's our collective voices using the platform that gives Jack Dorsey the power to decide what the culture is going to be in the next decade or so.
		Which is why Gab is great.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		And every year it gets a little bit, like from my perspective, every year it's getting worse on Twitter because last year, one thing that I was able to, not me, like report on a lot, but I was able to use my platform to communicate with these journalists is, last year, and it's still the problem now, is the problem with the Mexican cartels in Mexico.
		So one thing that I was able to discover with Twitter is Twitter actually, at least last year, they were letting a lot of those videos just flow on and we were able to show the American audience like, hey, this is what goes on in Mexico with the cartels and stuff.
		But then as soon as the new year started, they banned all these like violence videos, which I get.
		But I still think.
		I still think that Twitter needs to respect the newsworthy of these subjects, because now we don't see them.
		And then also too, around, I remember in the beginning of 2019, you can't even see these videos now, is when Iraq was starting to protest.
		You would see how the government was doing the internet blackout in Iraq.
		They were killing a lot of the protesters who were unarmed.
		You got to see that stuff on Twitter.
		And as soon as 2020 started, they don't even let that stuff fly.
		So it's like now we can't even inform the public of like these real situations in these countries too.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, another thing you really need to understand here is that they're ruling with fear.
		They're setting up this chilling effect.
		Look, innocent people got hit who just report on the news, they get taken away.
		And I wouldn't be surprised if potentially, this is just my theory, Jack Dorsey released that video himself to set up this chilling effect saying, you better behave, you better do what we say, you better censor yourself, or we're gonna totally cut you off because more cuts are coming.
		And they knew what they were doing because when we look at the onset of like, Google and Google Video, YouTube, BlipTV, whatever.
		It was first new kind of software, new systems, new websites that were very kind of out there in the open.
		If you liked the video, if you subscribe to a channel, you would actually see the channel.
		The channels that were most viewed were listed.
		These are the most viewed channels.
		Of course, a lot of anti-establishment, anti-corporate, dominant stuff came up, and it scared the other bejesus out of people.
		And they were like crack dealers, because that little whiff of freedom was a little crack.
		You know, in New York City, when I grew up, crack dealers would give crack to people who were downtrodden, so they get for free at first.
		They would get downtrodden, they would take the crack, then they would become crackheads and customers that they would, of course, Yeah, they always had the free samples for a reason.
		They did the same thing with social media and that's why some people akin social media addiction to alcoholism even.
		There's been some studies showing that it could be even more severe than chemical dependency.
		Your link to this cyborg machine that is literally programmed to keep you addicted to it as they even work with gambling institutions to try to gamify everything so you're stuck into the gaze blindly looking giving away your soul to it that's why they never got rid of follower count or retweet count they talked about it and they never did and the reason is they know
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What drives people to use Twitter is earning points.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Endorphins.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Endorphins.
		That's the thesis of the dopamine hit.
		That was the whole concept of social dilemma.
		They shed a really good light on it.
		This is actually designed to keep your attention.
		Everything about it, the fact that when you scroll up and it kind of gives you a bounce effect
		and kind of refreshes, that's the lottery machine.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		They work with the top psychology experts in the world to try to get you hooked on it like you're a drug addict.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		And that's why Luke, I know Luke has actually said this before,
		so it's not anything new, but that's why if you look at teenage girls,
		their depression is as high as it's ever been because the endorphin, like,
		oh my God, he liked my picture.
		Don't look at that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Friend request.
		Now that we're constantly bringing this up, go to TimCast.com and become a member
		because I can't imagine they're gonna be happy.
		I mean, yeah, but I'm loving this segment.
		I'm like, yes, yes, let's explain to people the very serious threat we're facing and why.
		I'm like, we need to build this backboard safety net kind of deal because my Facebook is effectively shut down.
		I'm allowed to post, but I can't monetize.
		And they've shadow banned, basically.
		So it's effectively done.
		Why?
		Because on January 6th, I made a video saying, here's what's happening.
		Man, this is crazy.
		Look at this.
		Look at that.
		Look at this.
		That was it.
		Can't allow it.
		News is not allowed.
		So, gone.
		But I want to talk about something in this.
		You know, when we're talking about addiction, you got to think about what the addiction drives people to do to fulfill that addiction.
		We've all heard the story about the dude willing to go to great lengths to get that next hit.
		You know, they make TV shows about it.
		People want drugs.
		They'll sell their possessions.
		They'll rob from their families.
		They'll do things with people they wouldn't normally do because they're desperate for that hit.
		That brings me to this next story.
		This is from AZ Central.
		Now, for many of you, you may not know who this guy is.
		Many of you may.
		But he's been involved a lot in politics.
		He used to work for BuzzFeed.
		He then worked for Milo Yiannopoulos.
		And I've actually interviewed him in the past.
		He was associated with right-wing groups, and then alt-right groups, and then argued that he wasn't alt-right, and then it goes back and forth, but the reality is, I think what we've learned from his time at BuzzFeed, his attempt at being a rapper, is that he's actually just driven to get likes.
		He's driven to get attention on social media, and I think his story, and everything this guy's done, he's filming himself, storming the Capitol.
		He's pointing the camera and he's like, Trump's going to be really happy with us.
		And he picks up Pelosi's phone or whatever, and he's making jokes.
		He's gone so far off the deep end.
		There are a lot of people, right?
		So before we read into this, I want to mention Joey Salads, right?
		You guys know Joey Salads?
		We had him on the show.
		He made a YouTube video where he hired black men.
		to vandalize a car with Trump support, like Trump merchandise in it.
		And what he did was, he was like, I'm gonna leave this car with Trump supporter stuff in it in this neighborhood and see what happens.
		And the next scene is black men damaging the vehicle.
		Somebody in the apartment above filmed it and saw what Joey had done.
		And then right when he released the video, sent the footage to I think H3H3 and then busted him staging this attack, which was, and many people said it was racist or fueling racism, whatever you wanna call it.
		And so I snapped at the dude.
		I was yelling at him.
		I was like, this is disgusting behavior.
		But Joey, you know, he apologized.
		Most people just don't give him a chance at redemption, but I've always said, if you don't at least let someone try to do better, they won't.
		They'll go the other direction.
		So I had a conversation with him and what he said to me and what he said to many other people is that he didn't realize how far he had gone in making this content and chasing after the money and the views.
		Now you look at someone like Baked Alaska, he's got no limit.
		It's all about the next one-up to get that hit, to make that money, to get those likes, to get that traffic.
		And then he winds up... Listen, here's the story.
		I'll give you the gist of it.
		He jumped bail, according to azcentral, to go to DC in the first place, breaking the law.
		He breaks the law going in the building and films himself doing it.
		And then, he doesn't show up for court, and his lawyer can't get a hold of him.
	He has been driven to the extreme and chasing after this, and that's the crazy thing.
	He got started at BuzzFeed.
	Ben Smith, former editor-in-chief, I believe, was the one who hired him.
	He wrote an op-ed about it.
	You take this young person, you put them in this environment where you're like, get those likes, get those likes!
	This is what BuzzFeed's all about!
	Get those shares, get those shares!
	And I don't think BuzzFeed gets to absolve themselves of the responsibility of what they created in this dude.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you look at the inner workings of BuzzFeed, they actually have entire walls dedicated to how many likes, how many hits an article gets.
		Don't look at me like that, Lydia.
		I know I did.
		It was a fraudulent slip, but they incentivize you.
		Potato, potato.
		They incentivize, I'm Polish and dyslexic, they incentivize, literally, get as many hits as you can.
		So is it fair to say that Baked Alaska is a product of BuzzFeed and BuzzFeed Radicalized?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, BuzzFeed Radicalized.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not trying to make a joke about it though, it's true.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he is.
		I think he was already like that because even before the whole capital thing, I would actually see some of his videos just on Twitter with the circulating.
		It'll just be him walking into like a grocery store with no mask.
		And then people would tell him to wear a mask and then he'll tell him like to F off or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The BuzzFeed stuff was years and years and years ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nobody knew who he was when he worked at BuzzFeed.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, I know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he gets hired for this job where they incentivize his behavior.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, those things you do that shot content, you can make money doing it.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		He was like breeded in that system.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		And like, there's no wonder that he right now, like that became his whole model.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's read this.
		So, this is from AC Central.
		They say a Scottsdale judge issued a warrant for the arrest of far-right social media personality Tim Baked Alaska Giannette after he said Giannette violated conditions of his release by leaving the state last week to go to Washington, where he apparently live-streamed the U.S.
		Capitol riot.
		Jeanette already was facing misdemeanor charges of assault, disorderly conduct, and criminal trespass in Scottsdale City Court after police alleged she refused to leave a bar and then pepper sprayed an employee.
		He had been released in that case with the agreement he not leave the state without the court's permission.
		Didn't he film himself doing that?
unidentified		Yes.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		He filmed himself on that DLive livestream.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Spraying somebody.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Picks up the Senate phone and acts like he's talking to Donald Trump.
		It's an all bad video.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they say, Judge James Blake was not pleased that the 33 year old Jeanette chose to skip his court hearing without explanation.
		And even Jeanette's attorney, Zach Thornley, was unable to reach his client on the phone during the court hearing.
		Now my understanding is that DLive banned him.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He is, look, I remember when he was posting these, like, ironic Nazi jokes on Twitter, and then he, I interviewed him, and he said, look, it was just supposed to be edgy, and it was supposed to trigger the left who was freaking out, and it was a mistake, and I was like, okay, and then he does it again, and again, and again, and then he gets banned.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He had, like, 250,000 followers on Twitter.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Oh, huge, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he gets banned because he just would not stop.
		He was constantly trying to one-up everything.
		So I was like, okay, dude was clearly lying to me.
		Now we see where he's gone since then.
		It is just a constant one-up.
		I tell you, man, when you're an addict and you are chasing after that hit, I don't care if it's social media or drugs, this dude is now a fugitive from the law.
		Isn't it crazy how, like, we talk about social media being addictive, how you guys are mentioning that.
		Luke, you said it was like alcoholism.
		Something crazier than that.
		Here's a guy now who his lawyer can't find him and the judge wants him locked up.
		And he's probably he's probably facing federal charges for the right.
		This this what we're talking about.
		That's that's Scottsdale, Arizona.
		That's Arizona, right?
		That's not we're not even talking about what's what's going to happen with the FBI.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Federal prison to own the lips.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but for the likes, man, that's insane.
		This is the important thing, right?
		I don't think Baked Alaska is far right.
		I think he's just saying whatever he can to whoever will listen.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Social media prostitute.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's what happened to a lot of people on Twitter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They would post a meme, and if it was like left or right, probably right because most memes are being produced by the right.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Right, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They get a ton of likes.
		Feels good!
		A lot of shares, more followers, more followers!
		So they one-up it.
		And they chase after it with no end.
		No point of self-reflection.
		At no point do they say, hey, whoa, maybe that's too much, like Joey Salads did.
		Only until he got caught and shut down did Joey realize, like, I didn't realize what I was doing.
		And now he's stopped and now his videos are like hokey pranks with his girlfriend where like he's oh he puts like sprays
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		with Tim I don't know really quick. Hey attention is a hell of a
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		drug. Yeah, man, Tim I don't know if you ever or Luke if you guys in Sonic if
		you guys heard of this social media girl She was it was a couple years ago
		Her name was because now that we're speaking about this just brings about to my head
		Her name was little Tay and she was like she was like a 10 year old girl regular girl and her brother
		Try to groom her to be this like fake social media Rapper and basically she would her videos would be like,
		you know, you put the camera on her. She'd be like, I'm little Tay
		I'm 10 years old. She just have money. She's like I'm rich.
		This is my Ferrari and She just got into it
		And I think I forgot what investigative reporter was able to pull the videos where her brother is literally
		Training her behind a green screen. She's just like a regular 10-year-old. She's like, what do I say?
		Say like this be more ignorant and it was just now now that we're speaking about that addiction
		And it was like, it was that too, like they were just, that likes, that likes, that likes.
unidentified		and there was fake image there was cases of people abusing their children for
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		YouTube videos yeah exactly that you know Philip DeFranco even called out and
		brought to everyone's attention that was able to actually take them down because
		if it wasn't for individuals like like Philip DeFranco to to actually address
		this no one would have known they would have kept growing in numbers but he and
		I think a couple of his viewers took all of the videos and they made a compilation
		a compilation and it was akin to child abuse of them putting their children in
		front of the camera making them fight doing everything for attention slapping
		them slapping them hitting them I mean, it's just absolutely crazy how low people will go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was a video on YouTube of a dad giving his daughter a vaccine and like pulling her pants down and putting the needle in her butt.
		And it had like 12 million views.
		I don't, I don't, it wasn't in America, but there was this phenomenon that happened on YouTube where bots figured out what was getting clicks and created these insane videos of like, you'd see these cartoon thumbnails of like a guy drinking out of a urinal.
		And it's for real, like a cartoon.
		And you click the video, and it's like, what was Spider-Man, Joker, and Elsa running around with music?
		And then Elsa was pregnant, and Joker would have a gigantic syringe, because those were for some reason what the algorithm was promoting.
		So these people are chasing after whatever they can get.
		The algorithms are turning us into lunatics.
		Dude, I get messages from people, man.
		I don't know what's happened to my friends.
		No joke.
		I have left-wing friends who think that... I don't even want to get into the conspiracy stuff they believe, but it's like... You've heard of QAnon, you know why?
		Because the media talks about it.
		And they go, haha, look how dumb the right-wingers are.
		But the right doesn't point the finger at the fringe conspiracies of the left and the things they believe.
		Probably because that's not what the conservatives do.
		They're focused on government, they're focused on seats of power.
		But because the media is focused on this threat of QAnon, they don't talk about the left and the unhinged and insane conspiracies.
		Like, we got a glimpse of it when MSNBC ran a segment where they claimed that Donald Trump was a Soviet KGB asset.
		The Soviet Union, no joke, from the 80s.
		They actually had a guy on and said, we got to consider that Trump may have been maybe an asset of Russia's going back to the 80s when they were part of the Soviet Union, dude.
		Now that was a glimpse.
		I tell you, man, I'm not going to name some of these people because they got a lot of followers, hundreds of thousands.
		They've been on Twitter the entire time.
		saying insane things well beyond what Q says.
		So you hear about this QAnon stuff, and they'll be like, the Nighthawk is driving, and Silver Fox is gonna launch the missile, and then we're gonna see the indictments, and it's like, it means nothing.
		And then you look at some of these people on the left, and they're like, murmurs are happening now at the DOJ, you know, they're turning, they're revolting, the Deep State is going to put, you know, Bannon on trial for treason, and he's gonna be executed.
		It's the same thing.
		But the media doesn't talk about it.
		They give it a pass.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well the mainstream media is now telling us that the biggest threat for our democracy for our existence are people's individual political opinion when in reality the threat is the social media it's leading people to hurt people it's leading people to exploit people it's leading people to break the laws and just in those particular instances that we noted here there's so many more there's there was a case in Indonesia where people were taking puppies And putting them in horrible predicament and then rescuing them and it was always the same puppy being rescued after his place there and they were manipulating the algorithm which that was incentivized promoted by YouTube just right now when you talked about that vaccine case I remember seeing on my on my newsfeed looking up you know stories
		For this particular podcast, I've seen a vaccine proposal.
		Someone getting a vaccine and proposing on social media to get the likes and attention.
		So when we look at the bigger threat towards our existence, it's not people who say stuff on social media that you may not like.
		It is social media that is the existential threat against humanity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just ban all of it.
		And the crazy thing is... Ban all of it and ban us, whatever.
		I don't care.
		Humans have lost their minds.
		This is nuts.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I mean, the funny thing is, it's not the funny thing, but it's just how media continues to divide us.
		And I think I actually heard this yesterday on Tim's show, yesterday was the populace on the left and the right agree on so much.
		Like if you just sat them at a dinner table, they would literally be shaking hands at the end of the dinner table.
		Like, wow, we could probably take down the establishment.
		But the media makes it seem like we're so divided.
		Like at the end of the day, if you grab someone from the left and then the right, they say, hey, you know what?
		Healthcare is screwing us over.
		I want to send my kids to college.
		I want to be able to work where I want.
		I want to be able to raise a family on maybe on one income.
		We agree on these things, but they're making it seem like we are now in a civil war.
		We're two different countries.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just not the case.
		I mentioned this on the show yesterday.
		We were talking about the show Recess, the cartoon.
		And I figured out who this guy was.
		It's Randall Weems.
		It's a cartoon called Recess, and it's about these kids, an eclectic bunch, a diverse bunch, mind you.
		You've got different races, you've got the nerdy guy, you've got the fat kid, and then the regular kid or whatever, I don't know.
		But there's this one kid who would always snitch to Miss Finster, and there's a quote.
		Hey, let me play or I'll make up something to tell Miss Finster on you.
		And this kid's like hunched back, and he's like the teacher.
		He's always, you know, snitching on everybody.
		That's a journalist.
		That's a journalist today, all right?
		What they do is they see people posting jokes and having a good time, and they go...
		I'm gonna report you and they call they call someone at like a bank.
		Did you know that?
		There's a guy on Twitter who said something dumb and he's got a bank account with you and they're like We we don't serve them anymore.
		We're gonna ban them.
		Yeah shut down there fun.
		Here's the best part Here's the best part the show recess is from when I was a kid, right?
		and so I look up this wiki for recess and Randall Weems is Age 9, however, year of birth is 1988.
		He's 32 years old.
		That means he probably is at the age where he would work at BuzzFeed.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I'm telling you, man, these people, these journalists, are literally the Randall Weems of the world.
		We were all having fun during recess, playing kickball.
		Some of us were really good at it, some of us were bad at it.
		Some of us were the weird loner kids who were hanging out, minding our own business, or you were the kid playing Pokemon, Magic the Gathering, and skateboarding.
		But he was the... These journalists were the nasty little tattletales who were always sucking up to the teacher and just getting in everyone's way and everybody hated them.
		I wonder if you all know the kind of person I'm talking about, and you can think like, oh man, I remember that kid.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I got one name.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now they work at BuzzFeed.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Carla Mazza.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		He's still a thing.
unidentified		Oliver Darcy.
		i think it's a little bit of a thing which all of our dark so much all of our
		dark seems to me that only that only are the uh... media matters are journalists
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		playing playing the uh... the snitch wrote but the journals now are playing
		the p r or where exactly where it now a politician would say something images
		Like what happened to us holding the powerful accountable, now that we just do PR for them.
		I'm not going to say the MSNBC's host name, but as soon as Biden got elected, she went on Twitter and said, this is a great day for America.
		We finally have a president who doesn't lie.
		It's like, you're a news person!
		Hold them accountable.
		So now, yeah, so now journalists run PR for these people.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		And he lied about the Iraq war.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		So like, yeah, let's not forget.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		I mean, come on.
		Biden is a bag of lies.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		If a politician is not lying, it's not a politician.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		But Luke, he tweets Black Lives Matter, so it's okay.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Again, it's okay.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's fine.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't matter that we bomb black lives in the Middle East, as long as we tweet it.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, Joe Biden is a lot of things.
		And it's funny because everything the left says about Trump, you could point at Joe
		Biden and be like, I'll give you some examples.
		You know what I mean?
		Oh, but it's corrupt.
		We got China.
		We got Ukraine.
		We got the Bobulinski.
		Yeah.
		But Trump is a lecherous old man.
		It's like, well, hold on there.
		We got video after video after video of sleepy, creepy Joe touching them little
		girls, man.
		So look, you can tell from the media and I'm over talking about it, but I have to.
		Like, let me rephrase that.
		I'm sitting in my room, you know, I'm doing research, I'm reading the news.
		And there are stories that I probably would have talked about a year ago where it's
		like double standard in media.
		And I'd be like, can you believe this double standard?
		Now I'm like, so what?
		It's life.
		It's the new normal.
		We know the media is lying half the time.
		More than half the time.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I mean, come on, CNN just had John Sullivan as a correspondent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		CNN brought on... Okay, so CNN goes, these are insurrectionist domestic terrorists.
		Now for our next guest, one of the Demacians, John Sullivan, a guy who was arrested for egging them on and inciting the riot.
		And he's not a Trump supporter.
		He even said he wasn't.
		And they have him on because they can point the finger at the right and they get away with it.
		That's creepy, man.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Hey, we're all gonna be waiting for that update on CNN that they interviewed a criminal.
		I got a feeling that update won't be coming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you.
		We talk about journalists snitching on people, but let's talk about the real creepy 1984 stuff.
		This next story is from Fox 13.
		Teen daughter turns in family for taking part in Capitol insurrection.
		They say an 18-year-old girl outed her own mother, uncle, and aunt for taking part in last week's U.S.
		Capitol insurrection that left five people dead.
		Helena Duke posted images to Twitter of her mother, Therese, inside the Capitol on January 6.
		Hi mom, remember the time you told me I shouldn't go to BLM protests because they could get violent?
		This you?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Tweeted Duke?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In a video on one of her daughter's tweets, Therese Duke could be seen arguing with a police officer.
		Another tweet featured photos of all three of her family members inside the Capitol along with their names.
		Hi, this is the liberal lesbian of the family who has been kicked out multiple times for her views and for going to BLM protests to care what happens to me.
		So...
		Because she has little in the way of financial help from her family, Duke has set up a GoFundMe account that has already raised $40,000.
		$40,000. Oh, I didn't even know that part of so okay that made it way. Hold on can we can we do an inflationary
		comparison between 30 pieces of silver and $40,000
		At the moment I have no idea how I will be paying for college as I have little financial support
		I have a dream of one day becoming a lawyer, but I need help to get there.
		I hope to attend college and then go into the Peace Corps.
		Show it on the donation page.
		Bravo!
		You have lost your mother, but you've made $40,000.
		Hope it was worth it.
		Yeah.
		Well, let me say something.
		Look, people should not have been storming the Capitol.
		And these people who committed the crimes, and we saw people die there, they need to be held accountable.
		But there's something particularly twisted about turning in your family and then raising money off of it.
		If she called the FBI privately and said, I know who that is.
		Oh my God.
		That's still kind of like, man, it's a tough question, but blood is thicker than water.
		There are challenges though, sometimes doing the right thing and holding those within your own groups and your own family accountable when they do something very seriously wrong.
		It's another thing to post on Twitter.
		Hey, look, that's my mom.
		Give me money.
		Welcome to a brave new world.
		Well, more like 1984, sorry.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		What's your thoughts on this, Luke?
		I know you've been in 1984, man.
		So, what are your thoughts first?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Luke broke.
unidentified		He just like... Yeah, oh gosh.
unidentified		Luke's like, I told you so.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I'm far, far beyond I told you so.
		I've been there a couple weeks ago.
		It's more like...
		Yeah, okay.
		I think, you know, social media also gives you a false sense of community, a false sense of acceptance.
		It all goes along with the trends.
		And I think it's fair to say that this person wouldn't do this if she wasn't incentivized to get likes and tweets and responses.
		Now, of course, it's also fair to say we don't know the exact relationship they had with their mother or their father.
		So it's not that, you know, we can't judge here because we don't know what happened back and forth, but for it to end up at this stage where it's this public and this nasty and the media celebrating it by highlighting it and talking about it and this being incentivized in the algorithm, it's something that's, you know, awfully wrong in my opinion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is the twisted nature of social media and the current media ecosystem.
		Look at what happened with What's-Her-Face's daughter.
		Who's Kellyanne Conway?
		Her daughter is like saying a bunch of private family stuff and the media is basically getting off to it.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, dude, first of all, I gotta be honest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I look at George Conway and Kellyanne Conway and I'm kind of like, is that real?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		That's upsetting.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, is that real?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is this like reality TV?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		It's like Big Boss.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, like they're a married couple.
		One's anti-Trump and one's pro-Trump.
		It's like a sitcom.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it really is, huh?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's hating Trump and she's loving it.
		It's the Odd Family.
		And their daughter is like, and I have to post on TikTok.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's making TikToks like, yeah, Corbett, Corbett.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but it's like, I find it creepy that this kid can get on social media and the big news companies They're celebrating.
		Yeah, well, they're salivating.
		They see this little, this young girl.
		She was like 15 years old.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she was.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		I also like thinking from their point of view, like the kid's point of view to what Luke said, it's like the sense of community they get from social media is way more important than their own family.
unidentified		Yeah.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Which I think is like the sadder and the more grave part.
		Like in no wall, I would like think about the fact that, oh, Twitter can replace my family, let alone the fact that I would make money off of it.
		Yep, so that's the more concerning part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the GoFundMe, it's the PayPal post, it's the raising money.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		It's the interviews that she gets with these media heads.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I think she already did an interview with Good Morning America.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With the girl who turned into Taylor?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's already going big.
		I'm going to be speaking for the Latinos on this one.
		We would never do that because we get a chancla straight to the face.
		That would be a death sentence for Latinos.
		So we would get the chancla to the face.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There would be a wooden spoon.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		From the Indian family perspective, we would probably not have social media until we were 18.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		We were 18.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yes.
		Smart.
		Perfect, I love that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, in capitalist America, children sell you for cash.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what it is though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The only reason she was willing to do this is because she knew she could make money.
unidentified		$40,000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of money.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of silver.
unidentified		That's more than 30 pieces.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Probably like a staff position at Media Matters as well.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, think about it.
		What's your family for, right?
		I mean, first of all, they're your family.
		You care about them.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		They set you straight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the point of, the reason why we develop social bonds as like people in society is that we survive when we stick to our families.
		Now here's this young woman who's found a better way than her own family.
		See, what's her parents, what are they really gonna get for her?
		She has a place to stay, she's never kicked out, she'll never be homeless.
		Yeah, but if she sells them, if she sells them, you know, for 40,000 pieces of green paper, She gets 40,000 bucks!
		That's more than her family could offer.
		Think about this.
		If protecting your family provides certain resources for you to survive, and selling them out provides more, you can see what some people are willing to do to get that.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's twisted stuff, man.
		It's a big part of what we've seen with Black Lives Matter wanting to disrupt the nuclear family.
		It is all good for that ideology.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Your cause.
		Your cause is central to whatever you stand for.
		It doesn't matter your close ties.
		It doesn't matter what your family is.
		It doesn't matter your principle.
		If you're for this cause, nothing else matters.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Well, in 1984, you know, the fictional book, they indoctrinated the children to be the snitch squads, making sure that they would get all the adults in trouble for wrong think.
		And when you look at the parallels, I mean, I think there's some, I mean, I don't want to be hyperbolic.
		Obviously, there's not an exact comparison, but there's definitely a slippery slope that we're heading towards, especially giving all of our power up to these tech billionaire Giants that are unaccountable, do whatever they want, and control the sphere of conversation.
		But not only the conversation, also thought.
		When you have that important aspect of controlling what people can and cannot think, what they can and cannot see, you have emperor god-like powers that could influence children in the most awful God has forgiven ways that you can't even imagine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you think Jack Dorsey thinks?
		If you were to go to him and say, Jack, children are turning in their parents for money because of what you built.
		Do you think he would care?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he sees that though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying if you said it to him, do you think he would care?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		No.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he would care.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think he'd be like, well, you know, people say whatever they want.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, we discovered Twitter, we didn't invent it.
unidentified		So, you know, it's maybe unfortunate that they did this.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing, like, he pretends that it's still a platform, like, when it comes to matters like this.
		But like, when it comes to matters like people on the right saying about things, like, then he becomes a publisher about it.
		Then I won't allow, like, things to, like, stand in my way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was, you know, I think I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they said they discovered Twitter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They didn't invent it.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Oh, exactly.
		They fell upon it.
		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		They were talking about how people started developing a culture on Twitter.
		Like the idea of the at symbol was created by users who were trying to make it so when you'd search, you'd see you could search at someone's name.
		And the hashtag was originally so that if you wanted to find the conversation about it, if you search for just the word, you'll get everything.
		If you search for the hashtag, you get conversations.
		So then Twitter is like, oh, we'll incorporate this.
		Before you could click the retweet button, people would just copy and paste and then put RT and then call it.
		Or they would do MT for modified tweet.
		I remember that because as far as I've, you know, since I've used Twitter, they've always had the retweet function, but people still did RT and MT to like share things.
		And there's also like, Instagram still doesn't have this stuff.
		So their perspective is, we didn't do it.
		Don't look at us.
		We have no responsibility to the destruction of the human mind and human society.
		Or they like it.
		I mean, look, if you want to reshape a society, you need to break it down first.
		And that's happening, whether it's intentional or not.
		I'm sure there are people sitting back like, it's a good thing.
		Let it fall apart.
		I know for a fact many far leftists have been talking for some time about tearing it all down so they can rebuild anew.
		You know, we're down with the old and then they can make their new glorious utopia.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Like a secular heaven, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever they think is going to happen.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But there's a funny comic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You ever see those comics where it's the guy and he says, oh no, all the time?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's one where he's in his room and he's like, I want things to be different.
		And the next one is him smashing everything with a baseball bat.
		And the next one is everything destroyed and he goes, oh no.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Different from what?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
		So you get these people who go out and they're like, I want things to change.
		Smash, fires, and you're like, congratulations, you got change.
		And now it sucks.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like, like a, like a mother daughter relationship.
		Like that's gone now.
		Like what's going to be like Thanksgiving for that kid now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't care because they have their dopamine hit.
		But I'll tell you something.
		She's going to be an adult and she's going to have no family and she'll be in like an old folks home.
		You know, what's really gonna be interesting too, about all this.
		Our parents can rely on us, but millennials aren't having kids anymore.
		Nope.
		Like, the birthing rate's gone for millennials.
		Where are all these millennials gonna do when they're older?
		You know, look, these average people are gonna find themselves with limited or no savings.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the reasons why- Yeah, millennials don't even own anything already.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		They're not going to own anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what the average net worth of a 28-year-old is?
		This is outdated.
		It was from a year or two ago.
		Negative $1,000.
		You know what the average net worth of a 30-year-old is?
unidentified		$1,000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then from there, it goes up to like $12,000, and then a 33-year-old is like $3,000.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		I'm just talking about the States, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in the States.
		It's old data, and my numbers aren't completely accurate, but it's like around 30 is when they finally get out of debt and start accruing wealth.
		So these people, they're not having kids, they're not having families, they're not making money.
		I can understand why they're angry.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		They don't own anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't own anything.
		They're renting.
		And they're going to be 80 years old, renting, and then they're going to be like, I put my pants.
		And there's not going to be anybody to help them.
		They're not going to be able to afford it, and they're not going to have any kids.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be a lot of cats.
unidentified		Yep, yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but is the cat gonna wipe your butt?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Probably not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is the cat going to help you in your wheelchair down the stairs?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		No, they will eat you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Take you out to get breakfast?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or are you just gonna sit there wasting away?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		And another factor too, Tim, I think what we're seeing with this pandemic and something that we've already been seeing with the millennial trend is we're actually gonna see less families with the millennials.
		So we're not gonna have that structured family, mom and dad.
		At home, working, and just having that.
		I think we're not even going to have that.
		So I would expect as we kind of keep going on that crime is going to keep going up.
		Divorce is going up.
		Maybe people are getting married less.
		And the whole family structure in America just seems like it's becoming like this old idea now.
		Now it's radical to be like, I want to start a family.
		And you don't want to have kids and stuff.
		That seems radical now.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's insane!
		We need it. The really scary part is is there's a lot of undertones. There's a lot of propaganda subliminally,
		especially in Hollywood Incentivizing a lot of this stuff trying to make it popular
		popular trying to glorize it But in reality it's going to cause a lot of human suffering
		and it's going to make a lot of people Dependent and weak in a way that they could be taken
		advantage of by some of the same special interests according to my own personal opinion that that will
		Dive in on this forsaken person who's downtrodden who's downtrodden by the ideas that they put out that they
		benefit from that suffering So we have to understand this is a big cycle that needs to be exposed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's think about these parents.
		This girl turns her parents and she makes $40,000.
		What do they do now?
		They're excised from polite society.
		They're called terrorists.
		They're probably going to face some kind of charges.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		They probably can't work again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're going to have to.
		These people won't just cease to exist.
		They're going to need food.
		They're going to need access.
		I think there's talk about this collapse of the United States.
		I did a segment earlier.
		The people in China are flocking to buy this book that predicted the demise of the U.S.
		30 years ago.
		What is a family to do if they've been removed from everything?
		They can't get jobs.
		They're going to find a way, and they're going to find their own parallel economy to make money.
		Cryptocurrency could maybe help, but that just leads us to this reality where you're going to have blue states saying, we don't want to work with you, and red states saying, it's fine.
		I mean, think about this.
		This woman's gonna be able to go to Wyoming or West Virginia, find a job.
		They're gonna be like, we like Trump too.
		By all means, come here and work.
		She's not gonna be able to do that in New York City.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		True.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the Trump supporters and the Republicans and the right, the red states, are gonna become entrenched.
		And the blue states are gonna become entrenched.
		And if you're a Trump supporter and you live in New York, you're probably already gone.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we're seeing the ideological divide is getting worse geographically now, and we're probably getting to that point where things are going to fall apart.
		So, in that sense, speaking of things falling apart, you guys went to California.
		I have this story here from USA Today.
		They say, California is a failed state.
		How do we know?
		They're moving to Arizona in droves.
		This story is from August 31st, but they say a few things I want to highlight before we talk about what you guys did, because you guys went and actually talked to business owners and people have been impacted by the failed policies of California.
		They say, California's energy policies have failed.
		They say, so have those policies to stop homelessness.
		Harsh pandemic response didn't help.
		Move here, leave those policies at home.
		What they're talking about now is people in California leave.
		They're bringing the politics with them that destroyed the state.
		So this is a story I covered quite a bit ago.
		There was, you know, the failed state of California.
		There was also the return of bubonic plague, typhoid outbreaks, disease, homelessness.
		So you guys put together, you did a documentary.
		Is that what you did?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so what happened, Tim, is we actually kind of stumbled on this project on accident.
		So I went back home to California.
		That's my hometown in Palmdale.
		So I went back around Thanksgiving.
		And, you know, being here and, you know, covering politics in D.C., you do, even though I always hated myself for it, you do get stuck in kind of like a D.C.
		bubble.
		You know, you forget how bad the pandemic is for the rest of America.
		As soon as I landed back home in California for Thanksgiving break, I visit my hometown and it's decimated.
		It's just, you know, unemployment is high.
		Most of my friends, their parents own these restaurants.
		Now they're going out of business.
		You know, it's just horrible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know the unemployment rate right now in California?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the unemployment rate, but as of right now, we do have 17% of restaurants across the U.S., so about 110 establishments are closed permanently.
unidentified		110,000?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		And in November, the restaurant industry lost over 2 million jobs.
unidentified		Wow.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		So being in California, I started talking to the restaurant owners about the Outdoor Dining Bank, just how they're doing.
		So as soon as I started interviewing, Um, these restaurant owners, it was powerful stuff.
		Like they would be crying in my face saying, Hey Jorge, on Thanksgiving week, we get the news of the outdoor dining ban.
		We have to now lay off the majority of our staff.
		And it's like, and what they made me realize too, is like, we're not just laying off workers.
		These are families that, you know, these people have to put food on the table.
		and also kind of being in this project I got to learn that a lot of these couples, both of the
		couples would be in the restaurant industry. So now you have two servers now let go, no help from
		the government, and at the same time since they're in the working class their kids are at home all
		day on Zoom, their kids depression is up. So it's just this horrible thing and so Sonic came down
		and we were able to really focus in on these American stories because like a lot of these
		restaurant owners feel like they've been left behind.
		Not only that, another aspect is they spent thousands of thousands of dollars on outdoor dining and just accommodating to California's crazy rules.
		I mean, L.A.
		County was the only county to do an outdoor dining ban.
		So just in L.A.
		County, that's affecting 30,000 restaurants.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These people were told, we're shutting down indoor dining.
		So they spend tons of money to set up outdoor dining.
		And then as soon as they do, they go, ah, that's ban too.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Not only that, Tim, the crazy thing is the breweries in L.A.
		County, they couldn't serve outdoors unless they had a kitchen.
		So I was able to interview one brewer who spent $100,000 on a kitchen just to serve outdoors, only for two weeks later the county said, nope, done.
		Shut it down.
		So you have this massive brewery stuck on take out beers it's impossible and it's just heartbreaking to hear the owner say we love this business and we don't want to let people go but at this point what what can we do we're putting this tough corner so the beautiful thing was is that you know me and signing really got to document these stories tell these people's stories and when we put a documentary together is a we we released it actually today so it's on daily caller um check it out we worked really hard on it and
		It really meant a lot to the restaurant industry because for them they feel like they don't have a voice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this is the kind of thing you gotta send to your friends who don't believe you.
		The people who think everything's fine or that we're not facing serious trouble.
		Let them hear in the words of the people who actually had their lives destroyed.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		When you talk to these people, one thing you realize is that people in DC or people in New York or people who are in the media, they have given people this easily digestible pill which is like a Single variable way of thinking.
		Like during this pandemic the only thing we have to consider is life saved versus life not saved.
		Like the only thing you need to worry about is saving lives.
		They don't consider the fact that these people who run these bars, who run these restaurants, they have lives too.
		Like if you like close them and then you say like oh yes we are saving lives.
		Like that's not a solution.
		That's just a lazy way of thinking.
		Like there are other variables to consider here.
		Like the waiter, he has a job.
		He probably has a family.
		He has a child.
		Like what about him?
		That's one factor about it, and the second factor is, like, the hypocrisy.
		Like, if you, like, drive, like, 10 minutes away from these restaurants, you walk into Target, where people are crowded in, like, gajillion numbers, especially during, like, holiday seasons, and that's, like, literally in front of these people.
		Like, you can, like, look out of their restaurants, which are closed, and you see these, like, like, Target packed, and they realize that these Like, lockdown measures do not make any sense whatsoever, and the fact that it's so blatant is, like, insulting to them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think it might be a red pill for a lot of these small businesses.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think most people are just gonna keep voting D. They're gonna walk in and go, eh, Democrat.
		And they're gonna walk out and walk away.
		And it's gonna keep happening.
		It's not gonna stop.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, look, we don't know what's gonna happen.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Either that or people who have the resources to leave will leave.
		But unfortunately, these people do not have the resources to leave.
		They have poured their life's savings into creating something out of nothing and hiring people.
		And once you have that mentality, which is like, okay, my job is to be responsible to put food on other people's table, like my waiters, my chefs, You're living a different life.
		You're not living a life of a staff writer in the New York Times who lives in a pod and whose only job is to write.
		You're responsible for other people.
		You're an entrepreneur.
		People do not empathize with these people easily and the media has done a horrible job of translating that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because the journalists are like that Randall character, they're snitches.
		They're not going to come out and be like, oh, you poor restaurant owner.
		No, we already saw one story where there was a business, they set up, they had a walkway, and they put a tent over it and put tables there so that people could use their public walkways and outdoor dining.
		And the journalist snitched on them and said, we need to inform New York they're doing this.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the interesting thing too, Tim, is in California, you know, I've grown up there my whole life, but when I was growing up in the early 90s, you know, California was a state where everyone in around the country was moving to the golden state.
		You know, you wanted to be in California.
		I remember when I was growing up, you know, my dad is an immigrant from El Salvador.
		He just has a sixth grade education.
		My dad was able to have the family of five on one income.
		He was a trucker and you know we would go on vacation.
		We owned our cars.
		That life is gone in California.
		It's becoming almost like a Latin American economy where the the lowest class doesn't pay for anything because everything's subsidized.
		The middle and the working class pay for absolutely everything and they're living on scrums.
		They're the ones that have to get by.
		And the rich, it's all good for the actors and everyone else.
		So I, in the documentary too, I say, you know, this is the golden state.
		It's now only golden for the elites and everyone else is left behind.
		One of the more powerful interviews that I got, Tim, is I interviewed a owner of a pizza restaurant.
		And when we spoke about the Gavin Newsom situation, she was just crying in my face saying it's an absolutely slap in the face for him to be able to eat in the French laundry indoors while I have to lay off my employees who are literally making like 13 bucks an hour.
		You know some of these folks are surviving on like 120 bucks a week Tim.
		Having kids.
		I mean depression is going up.
		It's honestly some of the saddest saddest things that we're seeing and we're just trying to focus on these stories because it just feels like the average American story is not getting told and you know I think it was a blessing for me to get out of that DC bubble and to see it and say you know what this is what I need to really be focused on is telling these stories and the next project we'll be working on and we don't want to get too much into but we're going to be interviewing parents and they're going to be talking to me about You know their kids going through this depression uh indoors.
unidentified		A lot of suicides.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I um you know I put out a tweet saying hey parents reach out to me and Tim I got over a hundred messages and this is kind of the sentiment of these messages saying hey I had an eight-year-old a ten-year-old twelve-year-old they were all A's athletic now into the pandemic all F's social anxiety doesn't want to talk to me.
		I'm speaking to a dad right now where his son grabbed his gun because he fell into depression during this COVID lockdown 12 years old He shot himself in the mouth trying to kill himself.
		But the way he shot it, thank God he's in stable condition.
		We're going to be interviewing him to tell the story.
		But this stuff, Tim, is just not getting told in the news.
		And not only that, and when I was speaking to his parents, now that made me realize they're telling me like, hey Jorge, I'm making less money because of the pandemic.
		My kids are stuck at home.
		Depression's up.
		I'm also spending more on groceries.
		Double because since the kids are home, they're eating more.
		So it's just All these little things that we would never consider.
		And sometimes, you know, look, I know what happened in the Capitol.
		Obviously, that's big news and we need to talk about it.
		But at the end of the day, let's not forget that, you know, average Americans can't put food on the table.
		And it's not only California.
		It's across the state.
		You know, we can only focus there.
		But let's not forget about the average Americans.
		They're getting left behind during this pandemic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was reading, there was something, a doctor gave an interview or something where he talked about he's never seen such deterioration.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not just from older folks, but from even kids.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Kids, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kids becoming out of shape, overweight, their blood pressure's bad, they're like just obese, diabetic, because they're not exercising, they're sitting in all day, they're not getting vitamin D, and they're getting depressed.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Social anxiety for these kids too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're becoming like, you know, just a homebody, lying around with bed sores, crumbs on their chest.
		And then they're supposed to interact through, you know, computers.
		Man, get out of these cities.
		The best thing you can do, I guess.
		But some people can't do it.
		You're trapped.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Like, a lot of people, like, people are like, oh, leave California.
		Just move to Texas.
		Like, move to Nashville.
		It's like, a lot of people do not have, like, the, you know, means to do that.
		And California, let's not forget, it's like a beautiful state.
		It's like a huge, beautiful state where, like, a lot of people live.
		And...
		a huge sloth of population like feel like they're left behind just because of the governor just because of the mayor and it's just like a harrowing thing to see and like when you meet these people the thing you realize is that Like they are so like the fact that like Tucker talks about a lot of the fact the classified like it is so obvious to them that people when people think about California they think about oh the place where actors live oh well like celebrities live but the fact that they're like actual waiters or actual restaurant owners who do not have jobs like that is class divide.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was thinking something.
		I was like, when I saw Gavin Newsom doing that fancy dinner... French Laundry, yeah.
		What was it called?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		French Laundry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		French Laundry?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's the name of the restaurant.
		It's one of the most fanciest restaurants in the world.
		I mean, the bill was... 400 grand-ish.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		400 grand!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Wait, the bill?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		How much was the bill?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		That's what the pizza owner told me.
		The bill should be closer to $400,000.
		In Vegas, I remember Shane Smith from Vice spent $300,000, I think, on dinner.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In Vegas, I remember Shane Smith from Vice spent $300,000 I think on dinner.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, so when I saw that, I have never been closer to raising my fist and yelling,
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Workers of the World, Unite.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Seriously?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But here's what I'm thinking, like, is there a thing where we can, like, unite the workers but not as communists?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And just be like, yo, these politicians need to be removed.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		That's the new right, dude.
		That's the new right.
		That's the populist new right, where, like, people realize that we, us being workers, have been left behind by the government, and the only, like, the way to unite is, like, not exactly, like, following Bernie's rule, but, like, what Tucker says.
		It's, like, you as a worker have a right.
		Like, the fact that The whole concept of like someone having a job, like the same job at retiring at 60 years old with his Rolex is like outdated, should be worrisome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let me say probably one of the most bannable things.
		So let's recognize people on the right should not be voting for Republicans.
		We see what they do.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		They hate their own voters.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But let's also recognize the left should not be voting for Democrats.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So everybody made a mistake here.
		How about we all agree the workers should unite, but not to change, not to make socialism, just to get rid of corrupt, crooked politicians.
		And I mean this peacefully.
		I mean, we need to have people come together, a populist movement saying, we might not agree on the economic policy, but we can all agree the elites don't have our back and are selling us out and stripping away our access and our rights and our liberties.
		And if the workers do unite, it doesn't have to be for communism.
		It can just be for the benefit of the people.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		I would say American rights and the right to make a living.
		If I'm being honest, I was far from being a populist guy.
		I would say I was close to being a New York conservative before this year began.
		But when 2020...
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		You're a Paul Ryan conservative.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		But when this year started rolling down, I realized that, holy shit, this class divide
		is so obvious.
		And Washington does not give a single crap about any of these people at all.
		The stimulus thing was the perfect example for that.
		I talked to this waitress who was 28 years old, single mother, has a 4-year-old son.
		And she was like the last time I was like gone was like when everyone else got there like $1,600 like back in like April May I don't remember and like that was the last one and like and ever since that I've been earning $200 a week and like Like I have a son who is like two years old.
		Like what about him?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think people need to start realizing you can't count on government.
		You can count on them to put the roadblocks up, but not to give you the food after they screw you over.
		And so I know a lot of people don't want to hear it and it's maybe easier for me to say, but we're going back to, you know, we're, we're going back in time in terms of our, in terms of, look, let me stop there.
		We were in a golden age for a long time.
		You go to the store, you get cheeseburgers, you get pizzas, boom, just like that.
		For dirt, you go home, you put it in the freezer, you put it in the oven, you got food.
		That's easy living.
		You know, people used to have to work from sunup to sundown just to have enough food to survive.
		And it was work.
		Non-stop.
		And we're heading back in that direction.
		For whatever reason you want to say, I think people need to become self-reliant, independent, start realizing the government's not going to get your back, and even if we do change as politicians, it's not going to change anything.
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, power tends to corrupt, and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I mean, wages have been going down in this country for the past 30 years, and they keep going down.
		Life expectancy in America is, I think it's like we're like, it's just dropping, dropping, dropping, because now Americans have to work more jobs.
		We also have the opioid crisis.
		It's, I mean, and then the pandemic obviously doesn't help.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Collapsing economy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yup.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Like back to your point, like the thing is like, yes, like meritocracy is like still a thing and like people should like believe in it.
		But at the same time, people should always question like these congregation of powers.
		And anytime there's like this, like unwarranted, like mammoth of power to any corporation, to any government, people should like question that or at least like, is this right?
		That this one company has like access to everything that we do, like websites, groceries, like.
		That's why I think we might be heading towards peaceful divorce, as many people have called it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because like I said, people who can't get jobs anymore because, you know, blue states won't hire them, they can get jobs in West Virginia and Wyoming and Nebraska or whatever.
		But I guess we'll see how it plays out.
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		Let's read some of these Super Chats.
		Sam Meehan says, It's time for a populist party, left and right.
		The people need to take this country back from the elites who have lifetime seats in our government.
		We can deal with policy disagreements after.
		What perfect timing.
		That super chat was actually from earlier in the night.
		Jordan Jones mentioned that, last time I was this early my wife was pissed.
		A lot of people are mentioning that Lou Dobbs dropped.
		There's going to be some declassifications.
		Bombagate stuff.
		We'll see how that plays out.
		Raymond Field says, what y'all think is going to happen on the 20th?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I think, originally I thought we were going to have some drama and some violence, but I think there's just so much National Guard.
		You can't even drive around D.C.
		The roadblocks are insane.
		I think it's going to be calm.
		That's just me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My favorite conspiracy is that Trump planned everything.
		No, for real, like, that in order to actually get the National Guard into D.C., you needed an excuse.
		And when the left came to D.C., they actually argued to get rid of the National Guard and that it was wrong.
		So the conspiracy theory is that Consistently.
		You gotta trust it.
		did it so that they would, the left would demand the National Guard that, you know what
		I love about the conspiracy stuff is that they say, trust the plan, but the plan's been
		wrong every single time.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		So I got to be honest.
		I mostly think nothing to be honest.
		Yeah, I don't, I don't think I think I think, and I hope nothing and I hope they take the
		security seriously, but I think Biden's going to be president and then hopefully things
		I think there's still tensions, you know, and escalation coming in various forms, but I think the 20th is probably going to be.
		We'll see though, because there's talk about Sunday or whatever, and I have no idea what any of that stuff is.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		There's other people theorizing that there might be something like a false attack, but that's just rumor mills that I'm hearing based on no evidence.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Conspiracies.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		No evidence at all.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Tim, I don't know if you've seen the little, like, flyers going around of saying, like, hey, storm every capital in the U.S.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		It was like, I mean, the flyer looks super fake.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It looks like it was, like, just... Trump supporters are disavowing it.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's no American flag.
		There's no group associated to it.
		So, yeah, we'll see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Animal Room says, where the heck is Crowder?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seriously.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned that last time I was here, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, some people have said that he normally takes breaks into the new year.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		But this is a weird time to take a break.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe or maybe he just he takes breaks and no exceptions.
		I don't know, though.
		It's been it's been a month, right?
		Yeah, he's gone.
		He tweeted something cryptic.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's really weird.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Triscipline.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see what we got here.
		Student of History says, Listening to the video at 10 a.m., stopped listening to a documentary about Sir Thomas Cochran, and you talked about building culture, and I had an idea of Dunkirk-style docutainment about John Paul Jones, the OG Rev War B.A.
		John Paul Jones was.
		Yes, he was indeed.
		Petty says, Whenever they call something a threat to democracy, replace democracy with either establishment or international power.
		Yep.
		All right, here we go.
		Gino Bendetto says, why are 20,000 National Guardsmen deploying to DC for an online inauguration?
		For perspective, there were less than a quarter than that for Fallujah.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know, there was a lot of apprehension against the police state a couple weeks ago by these same individuals that are now cheering it on.
		So it's a little weird to have them congratulate, you know, 20,000 plus armed individuals as a large-scale military mobilization.
		Yeah, that's...
		That's some people comparing it to a police state.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Insight of the Ages says, why not support locals?
		Have Dave Rubin on.
		Dave is great.
		Dave is always welcome to come and hang out.
		I think he's a rad dude.
		Why not support locals?
		I'll support locals in that sense that I think what he's doing is good and great and giving a platform to people is great.
		My concern though is It's still susceptible to a lot of the same problems.
		Now, with Locals, you have your own Stripe account for payments, meaning if your payment gets banned, it's on you.
		But there's still the fact that Locals is the server hosting the content, and you still have that potential for, I guess, failure.
		Meaning that somebody who does something with DNS or hosting or whatever for Locals could go to them and say, we don't care.
		You are associated with this group and we will terminate our contract unless you do X. And that creates a threat to, you know, the business where when Patreon started banning people, what the CEO was saying is like, look, we've been threatened by these companies.
		And we'll have to ban 100,000 people who are making a living unless we ban one person.
		So we have to get rid of the one person, and we don't want to, but we have to.
		And that's the problem with centralization.
		Now, Locals, I believe, is playing on decentralizing and all that stuff.
		But here's what I did.
		I just made my own website.
		I know not everybody can.
		So if you're someone who's got like a moderate following and you want to have your own website, Locals make sense.
		For me, I run a business where we're trying to expand and I have the ability to create my own website and that is just better for me all around.
		The only risks I have are directly to me.
		My vendors, my hosting, my domain, all of that is on me and nobody else.
		So for me, that's preferable.
		Let's read some more.
		Oh, that's interesting.
		Michelle Pate says, did you know that you can no longer look up Trinidad and Ashabta Pressure and Batacath Care?
		Both search bring up absolutely no searches.
		May, amazing.
		No Dice says, hey Luke, I love your work and your shirts.
		I'm thinking of escaping from Long Island, New Hampshire, partly because of you.
		Keep up the great work, Tim and crew.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, definitely try to see what community is right for you.
		Don't rush decisions.
		Do a lot of research.
		Do a lot of homework.
		And thank you.
		Really appreciate that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Robert Galera says, Tim, you've been talking about reassessing culture.
		I agree.
		But how do we do that if we're the counterculture?
		Also, I'm tragically in California.
		Grew up here all my life.
		I hate what it's become.
		Didn't vote for this.
		Bummer.
		I throw it to Daily Wire.
		You know, it's the easiest example is the Daily Wire is doing that movie.
		And think about in 15 years, you'll have some dude who's like 18 and they're like, what do you want to do?
		And it's like, I really want to work for Daily Wire Productions.
		Their movies are awesome.
		And then someone will say, that's that conservative Ben Shapiro thing.
		I don't know, man.
		You ever see that movie they did about this?
		That was so cool.
		I'd love to make movies with them.
		That's what it's all about.
		So you create a culture, you create some kind of inspirational system and a place and a platform and a community in which you can cheer on young people and make them feel good about themselves.
		Otherwise, they're going to go on social media, sell it to their parents for a quick buck.
		Give them an opportunity to feel good.
		You need to make that space.
		Justin Smith says Crowder is controlled opposition.
		He quietly stepped away at the perfect moment and will show up once the bans are over and still have a spot on YouTube.
		Also, his rhetoric will change to fall in line.
		I don't know about all that, but if I didn't cover what happened at the Capitol, Facebook would not have given me the axe.
		So, there you go.
		But I don't know if that says anything about Crowder.
		I mean, maybe he just took the holidays off.
		That's a simple solution, man.
		It's only two weeks into January, so... You know, I've had conversations with people who do YouTube who talk about how mid-December to mid-January they stop working because viewership drops dramatically.
		It's substantially harder to produce because most people don't want to and they're going to their families.
		And then you got New Years and then after that, advertising rates are gone because companies don't restart their budgets and actually start putting money into ads until February.
		So they're just like, what's the point?
		So I'm not surprised.
		I'm not, you know, I don't think it, you know.
		Joseph Flynn says, hey Tim, a few of my friends consider you a grifter, and disregard anything you say because of it.
		I don't see it, but is there anything I could show them of you to disprove that notion?
		No, because grifter doesn't really mean anything.
		Like, what does that mean?
		What are they accusing me of?
		You can watch the podcast episode we did with Dave Smith the other day, where we spent like 40 minutes ragging on Donald Trump, which was...
		A lot of ragging on Donald Trump and foreign policy stuff.
		But the problem is, if they're calling me a grifter, it means they're probably getting out-of-context smears from leftists, and it's like, what do you even do at that point?
		If they're not willing to listen to a show... A lot of the leftists who watch the show I did with Vosh actually started saying good things about me.
		And there was this joke thread about, you know, it was essentially like, which one of these people is worse, and people are like, ah, Tim's alright, he's not that bad, he's kind of dumb though.
		So when they actually watched a show, because there was a leftist on, and they heard what I said, they were like, oh, those things actually aren't true.
		You know, so what they'll do is, I'll quote someone, they'll claim it came from me, there's some activist groups that took me, I said something like, if you were to ask someone who's a white nationalist, they will tell you, This.
		They took the last part and claimed I was the one that was saying it.
		I was trying to be like, no, they'll tell you they're doing, you know, they believe in themselves and they think they're the good guys.
		So it's always some kind of out-of-context nonsense.
		But there's a good reason why there's almost no articles that get written about me, because people who actually try and watch and figure out what I'm saying, after you get these left-wing grifters who will, like, make a YouTube video and they're like, here's Tim Pool saying this, When the journalists who like writing smears actually go to the video, they're like, it's not there.
		It's not real.
		And so this doesn't happen.
		And then nobody writes about it.
		Michelle Pate says, Luke, I was also emancipated from New York as well.
		Can I buy your shirt anywhere?
		I would love, love it for myself and family.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much for asking.
		Of course you could get it on wearechange.org forward slash shirts.
		So thank you so much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And if you want the exclusive, I am a gorilla t-shirt, because everybody loves the gorilla emoji, go to TimCast.com, click shop, and you will see the brand new shirt.
		We're going to have a limited edition tinfoil hat wearing one as well.
		So, you know, I'll point out Luke's shirts are always very serious and political.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		How is this serious?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		What do you say?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		I mean, like it makes a political point, right?
		Mine is literally a gorilla saying it's meaningless.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then I have the Harumph I Say shirt.
		Meaningless!
		So if you, the point I'm bringing up is, if you want to have a good political humor and political art.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		And support my indentured servitude, you can do that with the shirt things, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm Brandon says, hey Tim and the IRL gang, do you think we should all go back to the MySpace days?
		Also, do you think big tech is just shooting themselves in the foot?
		I wonder.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Big Tech is too big to shoot themselves in the foot, I feel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I kind of want to open a MySpace account.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I miss Tom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The top 8 was cool.
		Doesn't Timberlake own it now?
		It's not even the same thing.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It's like a music thing now.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		We should go back to MySpace.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I like when you click the profile, the song's playing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I was thinking?
		We mentioned this before.
		Just set up your profile as a book on Amazon.
		So be like, you know, you can follow me at Harry Potter on Amazon.
		I'll be in the comment section posting my thoughts and ideas on politics.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's the future.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That's the way to do it.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Find me on Amazon.com forward slash book 1984.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I'll see you right there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Super Bam Bam says, if there wasn't such a divide in communication between the two camps, maybe the Trump supporters would have had some notice of this person.
		I hadn't even known he was an agitator and was ousted by BLM until now.
		Exactly.
		So, we here at the IRL Podcast like to look into the facts and figure out what's going on, and we discover this guy, John Sullivan, even the left doesn't like him.
		You know, they're like, don't give him to us, we don't like the guy, we kicked him out.
		But he probably is still a leftist, just, you know, a violent one.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, radical.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anthony Zavaro says, Sullivan is probably CIA COINTELPRO agent provocateur.
		Anderson Cooper is former CIA.
		I am a gorilla, spin the male vitality.
		Anderson Cooper was an intern, right, for two summers?
		Yeah.
		And then he went to Iraq, I think, right?
		Well, I don't know about that part.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I believe he went to the Middle East.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he interned twice, and then he decided to go and just do journalism, so he made his own press card, went to Iraq to cover what was going on.
		I think, was it Desert Storm?
		Was it that long ago?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It has to be.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember he was in the Middle East with his own camera.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Eric Miller says Sullivan is not left or right.
		He's a mainstream media intern trying to start his career.
		I took a break and have been practicing guitar and making music and maybe your tier system could be based on engagement and seniority.
		Yes, interesting.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		He could be the left-wing baked Alaska.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Daniel Maxwell says politicians are always trying to fix problems that they created while adhering to their political ideology, unlike statesmen and public servants who fix problems as they are identified by society for the betterment of society in spite of ideology.
		Yeah, like Ron Paul, I guess.
		Can you name anybody else?
		How many people would you consider to be true statesmen trying to solve problems?
		I'm sorry, statespeople.
		Statespersons.
		Statespersons.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Tulsi Gabbard?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Josh Hawley, maybe?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		This is more annual.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I think Josh Hawley's gonna get primary.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Hawley got himself into hot water with this riot thing.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Before that, he was fine.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Thomas Macy?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Thomas Macy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Gareth Green says, Pool Sunday.
		To continue our conversation from last night, your view of the power of big tech ignores the time equation.
		Twitter and Facebook did not exist 20 years ago, so what makes you so sure they will exist in 2040?
		Competition will arise on its own in 10 or 20 years.
		Maybe technology will change, and Facebook already was in decline.
		Young people were fleeing Facebook a long time ago, and they were struggling.
		And a lot of people were saying, Facebook is what my parents use, and they were using other things.
		So, yeah, we'll see.
		Stephen Moorer says, Tim, you are wrong.
		Government regulation is not the answer to big tech censorship.
		If politics is downstream of culture, they'll need to reestablish a culture of free speech.
		We don't have a culture of freedom, but a right, but, but of regulation now.
		No, I agree with you.
		That's why I've been, I've been telling everybody the move you have to make is cultural.
		If voting isn't going to get you one because Democrats control culture, you need to, you need to engage and create and inspire.
		I don't know.
		Jay White says, is it possible that banning Trump just made him more powerful than he
		was before in the end?
		It's probably a pretty self-defeating ban overall.
		Do you know that they censored Hitler and they imprisoned him?
		And then someone mentioned this the other day.
		What is it called?
		Like the Beer Hall push?
		Is that what it's called?
		I don't know.
		It was where there was an attempted coup.
		He got arrested and charged with treason.
		And then he came back later.
		And the lesson from history is not that fascists always try and cry censorship.
		It's that the censorship did not work.
		So keep that in mind.
		Gareth Green says, Your whole theory that tech suppression will destroy the suppressed opinions assumes that big tech will not shrink and lose power on its own.
		The demand for platforms for the banned means that eventually such platforms will find ways to beat them, and they will go the way of White Castle.
		Wait, is White Castle still exists?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		But I respect the point.
		Gab.com, for instance, just built their own infrastructure.
		So there you go.
		Matthew Oslin says, Tim, I love the show and all you guys do.
		I live in Chicagoland and work in a union auto shop where almost everyone is a Democrat and Trump hater.
		How can I make progress in getting help to see the other side of the coin?
		Um, I like what Fleckas did.
		Like Trump's kind of bad, but he's not that bad, right?
		No, come on.
		It's not that bad.
		He's bad though.
		You ever see those videos?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He walks around and people are like, yeah, okay, I guess that's step one.
		Very easy.
		And then people would say, nah, he's pretty bad.
		Like, well, what do you think is bad?
		You know?
		Okay.
		That's kind of bad.
		You're right.
		But it's not that bad.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess it's not that bad.
		It's that simple.
		I don't know, man.
		Talk to people, be honest and calm and rational and then don't start fights.
		Let's see what we got here.
		Gareth Green says, Didn't Parlour find a new hosting site?
		Anyway, it's a try-try-again scenario.
		If they failed, that just creates the opportunity for someone else to learn from it.
		Try again and eventually succeed.
		Twitter will go the way of White Castle Hamburgers sooner or later.
		I mean, I'm pretty sure White Castle still exists.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Am I wrong about that?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I thought so, yeah.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jake the Gaff says, Beanie Club.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the Beanie Club.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Become a member of Beanie Club.
		You know what?
		We'd probably sign way more people up if I called it the Beanie Club.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I heard someone call this place the Beanie Compound.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have a Santa beanie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Does that count as a beanie, the Santa hat?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		That's a historic Santa hat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Andrew Mickelson says, in the morning, everyone.
		Uh, in the morning?
		Love the bipartisan media coverage.
		Does anyone else feel like 2020 was a giant psyop?
		Shout out to the No Agenda podcast, the Propaganda Report podcast, and Grimerica podcast.
		Shout out.
		Thank you very much.
		Let's see what we got in this year's box of superchats.
		Jimmy Quinto says, you think Dems want a symbiotic trade relationship with China to avoid war and make money, while pushing for war in Russia to secure the industrial-military complex and avoid bankruptcy?
		Yes.
		And it doesn't work.
		That was their strategy the whole time with China, that by creating lines of trade it would prevent war when China eventually took over as the global superpower.
		It didn't work.
		China did not normalize, became more authoritarian and more despotic.
		We just gave them power.
		Publius says, so you talked about the personalities and their addiction social media, but what about the addicted users that are being cut off cold turkey?
		Doctors today do not recommend doing anything cold turkey that is habit forming.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you think is going to happen when someone's got like all these followers and they get banned?
		Like, what do you think Trump's going to do?
		I don't know.
		88 million followers?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He can't tweet anymore.
		Nothing?
		He's gonna go to sleep?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Mar-a-Lago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's gonna go play golf at his resort and say, I don't care, it's mine.
		Abad says, you ask us not to use the same tactics.
		Then what do we do?
		Quit our jobs?
		Doesn't do much, but out us and leave us vulnerable.
		How do you overcome hate when that's what everyone responds to?
		Yell at someone?
		Be stoic?
		You... Fuck.
		I'm not gonna read it.
		Shopping carts, too true.
		Culture.
		Culture.
		And comedy.
		Ryan Long is great.
		You guys seen Ryan Long's stuff?
		It's because he makes fun of everybody.
		And that's why Joe Rogan's great.
		And that's why there's a bunch of comedians that do a good job.
		Because make fun of everybody is unifying.
		Look, I don't have all the answers, man.
		Jay Rico says, Tim, I agree.
		Tim, agree with Jorge.
		Being Hispanic, you'd get the chancla.
		I feel many of us still believe in the family structure.
		Maybe that will help in our future.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		It's the chancla.
		It's the sandal, dude.
		So for those who don't know, the Hispanic mom is, she's the Tom Brady with the chancla, bro.
		It doesn't matter how far you are.
		She's nailing it.
		Yeah.
		I don't know why.
		It's in the genes.
		It's in the science.
unidentified		All right.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		It's the way it is.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I don't make the rules.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bob Newman says, I just heard a yarr.
		We talking about sea shanties?
		Trying to catch up after getting in here late.
		Love it.
		Yadoc says, Hey, I'm leaving Palmdale for Texas.
		It sucks here.
		Schooners is closed down.
		I don't know for how long.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
		Palmdale is my hometown.
		That's where we shot a lot of the documentary.
		So there you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's a schooner?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that a famous thing?
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		It's a, it's a, it's a local bar.
		Yeah.
		And the thing is too, the schooners, uh, when the outdoor dining band came for like the first two weeks, they were defying orders, doing their thing.
		And I think LA County public health basically came down and says, you guys keep doing your thing.
		We're going to pull that liquor license.
		So.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shady Soldier says they already introduced legislation to abolish the Electoral College.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's time to get more aggressive, like shutting down D.C.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen that, honestly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've seen some stuff, but it'll never happen.
		It requires a two-thirds ratification.
		That's just not going to happen.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That's not going to happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They propose stuff all the time.
		I've seen some sweeping outright gun bans, and I'm like, it'll never happen.
		Because you can't.
		You would need two-thirds ratification from all these states.
		You're not going to get it.
		Republicans are closer to two-thirds than Democrats are.
		Republicans have 30 states.
		So you would need, what, like 37?
		So, yeah.
		These massive changes won't happen.
		And because of Joe Manchin, they probably won't be able to pack the Supreme Court.
		Nathaniel Gordon says everyone should cancel the YouTube subscription to your channel and go to your actual page.
		On a side note, how do you feel about an independent audit of every government official?
		Oh, I'm for it.
		Absolutely.
		Like, it'll really happen.
		They'll weaponize and use it against the politicians we do like.
		But that is good advice, Nathaniel!
		If you are a member or just want to support me in general, support both, then go to TimCast.com, become a member, and we're going to have exclusive behind-the-scenes content, events, and live streams coming soon just for our members.
		So we should have one put up tomorrow because we're going to hang out a little bit after the show and create some exclusive content.
		So let's just do a couple more of these super chats.
		Bobcat says, Tim, look through history.
		America has survived far worse than anything we face today.
		We're not facing anything we haven't beaten before.
		Just trust that our founding fathers weren't idiots.
		I agree, but it doesn't mean that we aren't going to go through conflict and turmoil.
		It may be the end of the American empire in the sense that we have military bases all over the world.
		America will exist as a country, but it will change.
		We're a radically different country from when we were founded.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		So we should still do everything to prevent it from getting worse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Logan Luck says, here is my stimulus.
		Your work is so important to me.
		If we had an honest journalism apparatus, the corrupt government could not exist.
		The MSM is the real enemy.
		Logan gave us a $500 super chat.
		That is, wow, seriously.
		Really appreciate it.
		Don't super chat us anything you are in need of if you need a stimulus, by all means, you know.
		The show does, the show is doing all right.
		Our biggest, biggest concern is the banhammer.
		The purge is coming.
		Jack Dorsey said it.
		So I'm like, well, Look, if I get banned and I'm totally out, then go fishing.
		I'm not going to cry about it.
		But before that happens, I will set up safety nets and try and make sure that doesn't happen to us.
		Track Media Only says, as Cali fails, do you think they will just allow a divorce?
		They will come for what others have to support their existence.
		10 year tax thing sound familiar?
		Far left takes what others have.
		It can't sustain itself without what you have.
		Yeah.
		California wants to pass a tax where if you spend at least half a year in the state, no, no, I think it's 60 days or something.
		They can tax you for 10 years out of state.
		That's never going to fly.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That's not gonna fly, but it sounds like California.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		You said theft wrong, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Theft?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Taxation?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Gareth Green says White Castle still exists, but it was once the dominant hamburger chain before the rise of McDonald's.
		Really?
		I don't like White Castle.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I like them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Ambiguous Castaway says, dude, they are censoring you and other Republicans super hard on Twitter.
		Check your suggestions on Twitter.
		I don't care.
		They could ban me and I'd be like, well, you know, I guess it kind of sucks.
		I hate Twitter so much.
		Oh, here's good news.
		Todd Harris says only fans didn't ban Trump.
		Maybe we'll see him there soon.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh my goodness.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's amazing.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll take just two more.
		Tim Pauls says, Hey Tim, we have the same initials, lol.
		Will you be releasing more original music?
		Also, I heard Trump declassified Obamagate stuff.
		Not sure if you guys covered that.
		Got here late.
		We didn't.
		We do have more music coming.
		I recorded scratch tracks for like six songs.
		So we'll see what happens when it happens.
		And then I probably have like, probably a thousand songs.
		I'm not even kidding.
		But you know, of the songs that I would actually probably want to use, I've been playing music since I was like 7 years old, so yes, there's probably like a thousand different songs.
		There's probably like 50 that I think would be worth recording, so... Alright, last one.
		Let's see what we got here.
		Silently in Atlanta says, The Force is with Luke, so Dawg's new name is Logan.
		By the way, ever see the movie Trial of Chicago 7?
		Flip red and blue, and take the third party and regroup.
		Roll the effort to change the culture and backbone of your Republicans.
		Well, right on.
		I think it's really, uh, culture is the key, man.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I definitely agree with that comment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, what's the name of your dog?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think it's gonna be Atlas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's not bad.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I like that.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I think Atlas is fair.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then people are gonna call her Addy or something.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		It has double meanings.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, gentlemen!
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, one last thing.
		Thank you so much, Tim Pool's mom, for sending me an alien dog chew toy.
		I really appreciate it.
		It was really kind-hearted of you.
		The dog loves the chew toy and we love it too, so thank you very much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you want to mention your fancy shirts one more time?
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes.
		So my email list is on wearechange.org.
		Definitely sign up on there.
		My independent news organization is We Are Change on YouTube.
		And because I got demonetized, I started making shirts.
		And that's the best way to kind of support me.
		I think I have over 100 shirts now.
		Check them all out on wearechange.org forward slash shirts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
		Gentlemen, thanks so much for hanging out.
		You want to mention your socials and your documentary?
sagnik basu ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can just look me up at lexognikbasu and you can find the documentary at dailycaller.com.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm Jorge Ventura, field correspondent on Twitter.
		I'm VenturaReport on Instagram, JorgeVenturaTV.
		And like Sonic said, new restaurant documentary just released.
		It's on DailyCaller.com.
		It's free, easy.
		It's not behind a paywall.
		And once again, you know, speaking from the behalf of Daily Caller, Tim, we really appreciate just getting to share what these Americans are going through in Southern California.
		To these owners, it was very important to get the story out there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for hanging out.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		Maybe hold on one last thing.
		Maybe we could do a Daily Caller vs. Tim Pool team airsoft match soon.
		And we should live stream that.
		And maybe do like a whole vlog series.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That would be members only content right there for you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're in the middle of nowhere, big wooded area.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And yeah.
luke rudkowski ▲ ● ▼		I got some combat training.
		I want to get out of my system.
		It'll be really fun to do it up with Airsoft and have those two different teams together.
		And we could even have, you know, betting odds, or not even betting odds, but let's play for a wager of some sort.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
unidentified		Sure.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		I like that.
jorge ventura ▲ ● ▼		That's a good idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't forget you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's present on the books.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		You can, and I am actually now on Gab.
		Sour Patch Lids was already taken.
		I was crushed last night to discover that.
		So I am real Sour Patch Lids.
		L-Y-D-S there as well, so you can follow me on Gab.
		I have like a hundred something followers on there, and I'm really looking forward to using it instead of Twitter, so follow me there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And don't forget you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Minds.com at TimCast.
		We do the show Monday through Friday live at 8 p.m., so come hang out.
		We'll be back tomorrow.
		Should be a whole lot of fun, but don't forget to go to TimCast.com, become a member, because we're actually gonna do another segment, and I think it's gonna be, you know, it's probably gonna be humorous nonsense, to be completely honest.
		Because we were talking about something before they started the show that I want to keep talking about.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll see how it rolls.
		We just launched TimCast.com this past week.
		We still got to work out all the bugs.
		So the secret to starting any business is to just do it, which means the first bits of members-only content you're probably going to get, you're probably going to be like, that is ridiculous and silly.
		And then we're eventually going to get in the flow of things and figure out the real value that we can provide with our guests and the conversations that are a bonus.
		I don't want to keep any important, pertinent news information locked away behind a paywall because then people who can't afford it, you know, there's things you need to know for your life.
		But the silly, fun conversation stuff as the bonus for, you know, those who really want to support the show, we'll have for you.
		So again, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
		And you can also check out my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast, YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
		We'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m.
		Thanks for hanging out, and we will see you all then.

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