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Dec. 16, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - McConnell BEGS Republicans To ABANDON Trump And Support Biden, w/ Cass Fairbanks
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unidentified
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tim pool
you yesterday the electoral college cast their votes and Joe
Biden won Interestingly, though, many states, seven states, saw the Republican slate of electors who were not elected to the Electoral College cast procedural votes.
That's the way they framed it.
And they did this because many of them said they wanted to keep Donald Trump's legal challenges active.
We've got Mo Brooks.
We've got a couple other Republicans saying they are going to dispute Joe Biden's electoral votes come January 6th.
Now, the mainstream media and many left-leaning organizations, media organizations, are saying it's over, it ended.
Betfair paid out their bets.
A bunch of Trump supporters are really angry about that.
And even Newsmax, Mitch McConnell, they've both said it's over, Joe Biden won, which is weird because January 6th hasn't happened yet, and the votes haven't actually been counted, and we're actually being told By members of Congress, they are going to dispute this.
Not that I think it's going to play out well.
Interestingly, though, Mitch McConnell is now essentially begging Republicans not to object.
So, Mitch McConnell never really had Trump's best interests at heart, and that's obvious because he's just another political establishment crony.
And I'm pretty sure Trump supporters are going to go nuts on him.
So we'll talk about this.
We've got some information pertaining to Michigan.
They're issuing some subpoenas.
Maybe there will be something coming out of these investigations.
We'll see how that plays out.
We've got a bunch of other stories.
We're going to be talking a bit about Julian Assange as well.
We're hanging out with Cassandra Fairbanks.
cassandra fairbanks
Hey.
tim pool
How's it going, Cassandra?
unidentified
Good.
tim pool
Do you want to just like briefly explain who you are?
cassandra fairbanks
I am a reporter for Gateway Pundit.
I am also a really big supporter of WikiLeaks and Julian Assange.
tim pool
And there's news today, right?
cassandra fairbanks
Yes.
Julian Assange has formally requested a pardon from President Donald Trump.
tim pool
Is he going to get it?
cassandra fairbanks
I don't know.
unidentified
I hope so.
tim pool
It's gonna get spicy.
We'll talk about it.
We're also hanging out with Luke Rekowski, of course, who lives in my parking lot now.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
What's the name of that uncle that lives in the RV in the National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation movie?
I don't know.
tim pool
How old are you?
luke rudkowski
He's that guy.
unidentified
Eddie.
luke rudkowski
I am Uncle Eddie.
He is my spirit animal, but I also run the YouTube channel We Are Change.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
What about the guy from Napoleon Dynamite?
He's got his uncle, he's got the RV.
ian crossland
Rico?
tim pool
Is that his name?
luke rudkowski
It's always Uncle Rico.
tim pool
Uncle Rico.
ian crossland
That's great.
tim pool
Ian's hanging out.
Hi everyone.
We moved him up.
lydia smith
He has a new setup.
ian crossland
I think I might be a little blue.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know what's going on.
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Pushing all of the important buttons.
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Let's first just read a bit of this first story so we can get to ragging on Republicans.
It's from the Daily Mail.
Forget Trump and move on.
Mitch McConnell pleads with his Senators not to force ugly vote in Congress on Joe Biden's Electoral College victory, warning them that it would split the party, despite President's demands for last-ditch fight to overturn election.
They say he said it was a terrible vote because Republicans would ultimately have to vote it down and would appear like an anti-Trump move.
Alabama- Oh, seriously?
Don't support Trump because it'll look like we're anti-Trump?
Alabama Representative Mo Brooks said he will formally challenge the Electoral College votes during congressional election certification on January 6th.
He insisted Tuesday that if all legal votes were counted and all illegal votes were thrown out, Trump would emerge as the real Electoral College winner.
Trump reposted an article Tuesday with Brooks' comments.
A senator would need to join Brooks and others in the House to officially launch deliberations on an Electoral College vote challenge.
McConnell, for the first time on Tuesday, called Joe Biden the President-elect, following the Electoral College cementing his victory on Monday.
The Electoral College has spoken, McConnell said on the Senate floor.
So today, I want to congratulate President-elect Joe Biden.
So this is why it matters.
You've got a ton of Republicans in the House that are saying straight up, we're going to get you a challenge.
They need a Republican senator to sign on with them.
If these... Okay, so we have these unofficial electoral votes.
It is what should have been, or I'm sorry, what would have been, the Republican elector slates decided to cast what they called procedural votes in the event that something happens and these elections are overturned.
Then they'll have those votes cast and available for certification.
If Mike Pence wants to potentially count those votes, theoretically, I guess he can.
Maybe it'll go to the Supreme Court, or they'll probably just throw it in the garbage.
I mean, they're unofficial, and look, the establishment very much is not in favor of Trump.
But Mike Pence is gonna have to choose for himself.
I mean, he's running as well.
If the Senate Republicans vote, and they choose these seven unofficial procedural votes, for some reason, maybe some information comes out, and the House chooses the official Electoral College as it stands now, then you've got a disputed election with both chambers disagreeing, and I don't know how Mike Pence would decide.
But if there's no dispute among any of these votes, then I don't see how we get anything other than Joe Biden winning.
So I don't know what you guys think, but I am not surprised Mitch McConnell is basically saying, don't support Trump in this effort.
Just let it go.
Joe Biden won.
What do you think?
I mean, Cassandra, you're a Trump supporter, yeah?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
Well, there is precedent for those procedural votes going in in 1960 when John F. Kennedy was running.
They did a procedural vote away from the Democratic slate in Hawaii, I believe.
And 11 days after the certification, they ended up getting moving into Kennedy.
tim pool
This was the Republicans claimed they won. They're like, we won, certification's over.
Bam, they stamped the official certified vote and sent the Republican votes to Congress
while legal challenges were still pending. A recount 11 days later found actually you didn't
win. So they had to then take the other procedural votes and then certify them.
Richard Nixon got both votes, both stamped with the governor's approval, and he said,
we're going to count the Democrat ones because of what happened. So that's possible. It could
happen right now. And it's really funny. I actually did a video the other day talking
about this and Facebook, I got one of those fake news flags saying my-
cassandra fairbanks
I would too.
tim pool
But that, so, I, like, I basically said in the beginning of my video, these votes right now, they're unofficial.
They're not from the, you know, the governor.
But 1960, here's what happened.
So, look, my personal opinion is I don't think it's going to work.
I think they'll likely be thrown out.
And it was probably, you know, a symbolic vote.
Maybe Mike Pence says, these are not officially certified.
I'm not going to count them.
They labeled it fake news.
Actually, I got it lifted, though.
I emailed saying, like, what was wrong about anything I said?
And they're like, oh, well, I guess you're right.
And then they removed it.
But I bring that up because it's really weird.
It literally happened.
So you have these different electors and people voted for them.
The Democrat electors were the ones who were chosen to go to the statehouse and cast votes.
But the Republican electors who didn't, I guess they're arguing that they're not electors, they're electoral candidates.
cassandra fairbanks
That's what they claimed online.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Speaking, it's like a semantic argument.
You know what we mean.
Fine.
Electoral candidates for the Republican cast a procedural vote so it's on record.
And they're trying to shove it under the rug, say it's not happening.
But even now, if Mitch McConnell's on board, Newsmax is saying it, Betfair, this is really funny, Betfair closed the betting and paid out everybody who bet on Joe Biden, even though January 6th is the official constitutional day.
And so people, this is, this is interesting.
Betfair said that in the event Trump does somehow become president, they'll revisit this.
So now Trump supporters saying Betfair just placed a billion dollar bet that Joe Biden is, does have it.
I think it's a fair bet, to be honest.
But it is kind of interesting that they're, you know, willing to actually stake that considering January 6th hasn't come.
cassandra fairbanks
You would have think they would have just waited.
It would be so much easier just to wait.
tim pool
It's a couple weeks.
Just don't even, like, it's a couple weeks back.
It's a couple weeks till, or you could wait till Inauguration Day.
ian crossland
Is it because they wanted to flesh out their books before the turn of the year?
tim pool
Yeah, could be.
Yep.
Close out the books before the year's over.
How interesting would that be if like come January 6th, something happens?
Not only that, what if, you know, so Joe Biden was coughing, right?
Everybody saw Joe Biden coughing and they were like, he's got, he's got COVID, right?
What if the next president is Kamala Harris?
And Betfair is just like, oh no, everybody bet wrong.
And then they got to give it to all the Kamala people.
luke rudkowski
Well, the Senate minority leader comments are pretty interesting.
Chuck Schumer said that the Republicans should follow McConnell's lead and acknowledge that Joe Biden will be the next president of the United States.
And very interestingly, we also have to acknowledge Susan Collins and Mitt Romney are congratulating Joe Biden for his presidency.
tim pool
Why Is is the bastion of
conservatism conservatism in our country That that's why it's I don't think it's gonna happen. Look
you've got what we say Murkowski and and no Susan Collins and Mitt Romney. Oh my god, look
There's a GOP that still exists?
you know, Van Borthem as well.
So what happens if these, you know, procedural votes do somehow make it to, you know, to
Congress?
You've got right there, these Republicans are going to be like, nah, nah, it's Biden.
cassandra fairbanks
The GOP is weak.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
luke rudkowski
There's a GOP, it still exists?
I had no idea.
tim pool
Well, I think this is their end.
Mitch McConnell just stood up and said, listen, if you're a Trump supporter who helped Republicans get elected, I have a knife.
Just turn around and let me put it in your back.
And that's exactly what Mitch McConnell did.
Because people, look, at the very least, they're just saying, please fight for us like we fought for you.
OK, maybe Trump's not going to win.
Maybe, you know, that's how many of them feel.
But at least give people the courtesy of saying, if we're going to turn out for you and get you guys elected, you can fight to the bitter end for Trump.
There's the constitutional procedures. They can challenge the votes they can lose and they can say look we tried we
did everything No, he's already like bye-bye and the best part is a couple
weeks out from the Georgia runoffs How many people now are gonna be like sacrifice Senate?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, don't let Republicans win. I mean I've been debating this internally for some time now because I
You know writing for Gateway and stuff. It's like I've had a lot of pressure to write pro
you know, pro-Georgia articles, like being like, hey, go vote.
But I don't want to.
I'm like, what has the GOP done for us?
Like, why should I do anything for them?
I'm not writing any of this.
I don't care.
tim pool
But you're not a Republican, right?
cassandra fairbanks
No.
I'm a Trump supporter.
tim pool
I am not a Republican.
I voted for Trump.
I support him in a bunch of some of the most important things any president has done, especially in my lifetime trying to get our troops out of the Middle East.
Not perfect, I know, Ian.
Drone strikes and all that stuff.
ian crossland
You read my mind, Tim.
tim pool
Better than Joe Biden.
But I don't care.
luke rudkowski
That's a low bar, though.
That's a very low bar.
If you're making arguments saying better than Joe Biden, that's like saying better than like... I mean, yeah, but Kamala Harris is under that bar, so... Scraping your private parts on a family friendly show.
We're not going to go in there.
But I'm thinking of this one meme that I just saw recently, and it's a Rick and Morty meme.
And Rick is looking at a robot.
The robot is looking at him and is saying, what is my purpose?
The robot is the GOP.
And then Rick looks at him and he says, your only purpose is to sell red hats.
tim pool
That's it.
luke rudkowski
And there's a point to be made there.
There's a total fracture of the right that hasn't been effective and some people say hasn't even been there and hasn't really changed things that much at all.
tim pool
You know what Republicans are really good at?
They're Republican politicians, rolling over and exposing their soft underbelly to Democrats.
So when we had Michael Malice in here with Jones, he brought up a really, really, really interesting point.
He said Obama wanted, Obama got this with Obamacare, the individual mandate, forcing people by law to buy health insurance, otherwise you get a fine.
He said, okay, where's the right, where's the Republican saying, okay, then everyone has to buy a gun too.
That's the compromise.
If you want universal, everyone by mandate has to buy health insurance, well, Republicans should say everybody has to buy a gun, because gun ownership is a big conservative.
No, Republicans never do anything like this.
Republicans sit back and complain the Democrats did something, and then eventually just give in to the Democrats.
cassandra fairbanks
They, everybody says this and I know it's a cliche at this point, but the Republican Party is just the Democrat Party of five years ago.
All they're doing is supporting things that the Democrats supported five years ago.
They're just behind.
In five years, they're going to be like, hey, you want to go to our Republican drag queen story hour?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
Isn't that already happening now?
cassandra fairbanks
Kind of.
tim pool
They're going to, 100%.
In five years, they're going to be like, we think we need Mitch McConnell.
Well, I don't know if Mitch McConnell will still be in office in five years.
He will not be alive anymore.
How old is Mitch McConnell?
cassandra fairbanks
Old.
tim pool
Old.
He is indeed.
luke rudkowski
Turtle old.
tim pool
Turtle, he's going to be, okay, so he'll be really old, older than he is now.
I mean, that image that went around of his hands.
Like that?
I feel bad, you know what I mean?
Like, I think it's messed up when people made fun of him because he tripped at one time.
You guys remember that?
Yeah.
Because, what, he had polio when he was a kid or something, right?
Something like that?
unidentified
I have no idea.
tim pool
Was it not polio?
I don't know.
He had something so, like, he had a problem with his leg and he tripped and everyone was making fun of him.
I'm like, dude, I don't like the guy.
I never liked the guy.
But I'm not gonna rag on him or anybody else because they stumbled and, you know, that's messed up.
But in five years, they're going to be advocating for universal basic income.
He's going to be like, I've always been in favor of universal basic income!
And all the Republicans are going to be like, well, you know, it's something I got to fight for.
Meanwhile, the Democrats are in favor of like, you know, I don't even know how far left you go at that point.
lydia smith
How can you go further?
tim pool
I don't know.
cassandra fairbanks
They'll manage.
tim pool
They'll figure it out.
cassandra fairbanks
And the Republicans will manage to continue to lose gracefully.
tim pool
Yep.
Yeah, that's that.
That's that's that's what we've got so far.
So what do you guys think?
What do you think Trump supporters are going to do?
I mean, what are you going to do?
Who are you going to vote for?
cassandra fairbanks
I don't know.
I mean, everybody's propping up Dan Crenshaw for 2024 and Nikki Haley.
I would rather I would vote for a literal communist just to make it all burn down before I would vote for either of those two neocons.
Like, I would just be like, burn it all down.
Go ahead.
You know, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or whatever.
Do your thing.
Burn it down.
tim pool
Don't care.
It's like the hard swing back and forth, left and right.
Yeah.
Send a message.
Vote for AOC, I guess.
ian crossland
I could see him starting a new political party.
cassandra fairbanks
I actually saw a poll recently that, I think it was something like 79% of Republicans said they would follow Trump to a new party.
tim pool
He needs to do it.
We need it in this country.
cassandra fairbanks
The problem is, if the left doesn't start their own progressive party, then it's just going to split the Republican vote.
unidentified
Good.
cassandra fairbanks
The people and they have the support for a progressive party.
They could easily do like a Bernie Sanders type party and split the Democrats and then we split the right and then there would be four.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, a populist anti-establishment party because there definitely seems that there is a political realignment and it's not working out in anyone's favor.
It's the establishment taking advantage of that and screwing everyone over and people are realizing it and that's why when me and Tim were talking about earlier today, we're like, I think there's gonna be another major Occupy Wall Street movement as you were telling me that some people on the far left might join people on the right and come together on their disagreements.
tim pool
But not like they're gonna form one group together.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
So we've got the autonomous zone in Portland where armed leftist militias have secured like four square blocks or something and they've set booby traps.
You guys see this story?
unidentified
No.
luke rudkowski
They're running around with like AR-15s.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
These people don't mess around.
I mean, you saw what happened in Chaz when they pumped 300 rounds into that white SUV killing those two teenagers.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Dude, more of that is gonna happen.
These people in Portland have taken this space because there's this house, they call it like the Red House Occupied Zone or whatever, Autonomous Zone.
This house was owned by a family and they're now being evicted because they couldn't pay their bills.
You know what, man?
I'm not gonna defend the state or the police on this one.
You can't shut people's businesses down, and then the cops come in and tell people they're not allowed to work, and then come back months later and be like, now we're taking your house.
It's like, nah.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, but didn't that family own another house that they're living in and get $300,000 from GoFundMe?
tim pool
So this is where story cuts get interesting.
I think it's really cool they raised the $260,000 to pay for the house.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
Congratulations!
That's awesome.
That's organizing.
That's how you help people.
lydia smith
That's how you do it.
tim pool
But they do own another house not that far away, which is why the occupation is just, in my opinion, exploitation.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
These people found an opportunity to seize territory and, you know, take space.
So I'm not in favor of them using that as an excuse.
But at this point, I don't know, man.
Watching all these cops, you know, enforce these unconstitutional edicts, not even laws.
Like, watching these videos where the cop is like, it's just the law, ma'am.
I have to do it.
And they're like, what law?
There's no law.
It was never passed by anybody.
The governor just told you to do it.
You're doing it.
And they do.
So I'm like, listen.
Why should I go and defend these blue cities that voted for this stuff, that agree with this stuff, and are now complaining about it?
I mean, I feel for the business owners who have lost their businesses, who are having their lives destroyed, absolutely, but they voted for all these people.
So back to Luke's point, in this one town in Washington, The mayor basically said, we are not, we are completely in defiance of the COVID lockdowns, and everybody can do whatever they want, live their lives like normal, and Patriot Prayer showed up in this big event.
That's basically, they're not calling it an autonomous zone, but saying that you were exempt from the state's laws and, I'm sorry, not laws, edicts, and you're going to operate independently.
Essentially, it's similar, not the exact same thing.
But what happens now if the state sends in police to shut it down and start shutting people's businesses down?
They're not going to support them.
And then what happens when, in Washington, they see this autonomous zone in Portland or whatever, why would they defend the cops shutting down that?
They're going to be like, I don't care, leave me alone.
Already on the Donald.win, which is the big Trump-supporting Reddit, they're mocking Michigan police officers because they kept out the electors, the Republican slate, from going into the Capitol building.
So I think it's entirely possible.
We get to a point where you see more cities like this doing, more towns like this doing this stuff.
When Biden gets elected, he's going to try and say stuff and the Republicans are going to, you know, the people, the regular people are going to be like, nah.
And Antifa's going to be like, why would we intervene?
And the right's going to be like, why would we intervene with them?
We don't live there and we don't have anything to do with them in the way they vote.
So then essentially you've got three factions, the establishment political apparatus, the populist left and the populist right.
And as the saying goes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If the left and the right aren't interacting in these towns or cities, why would they be opposed to each other?
unidentified
Yep.
luke rudkowski
And a lot of low-information voters are about to get a very rude awakening with the corporatist presidency of Biden that just today announced two major Goldman Sachs executives as part of his administration.
And if you look at his administration, it's like who's who's of the family-friendly show here.
Of the underworld, of the greasiest, nastiest swamp creatures that could ever exist, that are even more disgusting behind Cassandra's back right there with that cartoon of Joe Biden eating a little baby.
That's somewhat based on reality, but that's a whole other topic of discussion to talk about here.
But we're talking about Goldman Sachs, we're talking about big tech, we're talking about big banks, we're talking about big corporatist institutions.
That are at the helm of major decisions for the United States in the upcoming future.
A lot of people are going to have a very rude awakening to that.
And with that, I think there's going to be another spur of an Occupy Wall Street movement, which I think is really going to be powerful, really going to be significant and something really to look out for.
tim pool
You got like a hundred million people who hate Biden.
Every Trump voter and half of the Democrats.
It's just that those half hate Trump more.
But once Biden is the target, then they're going to bet, okay, now that we voted for you because we didn't like Trump, we really don't like you too.
cassandra fairbanks
I still can't get past the fact that Biden supposedly got more votes than Obama when half of the Democrats hate him.
luke rudkowski
Well, this is the thing.
Everyone we had on the show was biting their tongue and saying, Yeah, I voted for Biden.
It's horrible.
I didn't want to do it.
tim pool
Well, not everybody.
Two people.
luke rudkowski
Well, that's everyone that I've been around when I was co-hosting for me, but everyone I talked to has the same sentiment.
They were bamboozled.
They were fooled to believe maybe something, but they knew deep down that something was wrong, and I think most of America knows that.
So we're going to see that play out in our social discourse very soon.
We already have Black Lives Matter tweeting at the Biden administration like, Hey, we were supposed to meet.
Hey guys, what's going on here?
The top prosecutor that sent innocent people away to jail knowingly.
Knowingly she knew she knew people were innocent.
She still made them rot in jail and ruin their lives.
tim pool
I mean that is kind of brings me a weird sense of joy cuz I'm demented that black lives matter helped get That's the craziest thing it's like, you know what a lot of people we've had on and We're not even who have had on but like people who have come here and we've talked about When they say they vote for Biden, I'm like, oh, yeah, why?
Well, you know, Trump's bad for what?
What do you do?
Come on.
Come on.
Come on, man.
You can't you can't.
I can sit here and I can go through everything Trump's done in his family.
And we can talk about the emoluments clause and his and his resorts and his businesses.
You can talk about shady business dealings and all that stuff.
It doesn't compare to Joe Biden.
Now, if we're going to have like, you know, a turd sandwich versus a giant douche, I understand why people might be like, I don't know, man, I voted for Biden.
But if you're if so, these are low information people.
A lot of these people are young, like we had a dude on the other day, he's 24.
He doesn't know anything about the Joe Biden administration.
He was like a teenager not paying attention to when Joe Biden and Obama were in, and the horrible things they were doing.
It's like, you know the left was protesting Obama, right?
With, you know, Black Lives Matter started under Obama, Occupy Wall Street was under Obama.
He wasn't like this great left-wing leader that they're telling you now, and Joe Biden was a part of that.
It's like you're complaining about systemic racism, Joe Biden's the guy who's been in office for 47 years who made that stuff.
And helped facilitate these wars.
You don't got a good reason for voting for the guy.
I'm sorry.
I understand if you came to me and said I didn't vote for anybody, I'd be like, yeah, I get it.
But saying you voted for Biden?
Nah, there's no excuse.
You just didn't know what you were talking about.
But then, but you know, so if he got 80 million votes, I think people just were told by the media, you know, orange man bad.
They believed it.
ian crossland
Well, this Dominion stuff, there might be merit to that Dominion stuff.
tim pool
Well that report that came out, you saw that Cassandra?
unidentified
Which one?
tim pool
The Antrim report.
That said that votes were, like the machines had intentional errors.
So you can't just, you know, the traditional culture war arguments don't work on this.
Or they're like, oh the guy's biased.
The guy who wrote it's biased.
I'm like, I don't know anything about that.
Nah, I'm sorry.
I just read a report.
I don't know who that guy is.
Well he's biased.
I don't care.
Investigate the evidence.
Tell me what happened.
I don't care about your opinions on politics.
It's not going to solve anything.
And that's all they have so far.
Not like anything's going to happen from it.
ian crossland
I'm thinking about the inception of Occupy.
And that was basically when Obama bailed out Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.
luke rudkowski
The big banker bailouts of 2008.
ian crossland
Yeah, trillions of dollars inflated.
I don't know how much he inflated the currency.
luke rudkowski
Well, there was the national public bailouts and then there was the secret Federal Reserve bailouts that I talked about with Ben Bernanke and he got angry and tried to rip away my microphone.
I brought that up.
I was like, what about the secret trillion dollars that you gave out that no one knows?
And then he got mad and livid and literally had me kicked out.
ian crossland
And they just did it again with a three trillion that they printed in like Yeah, well right now BlackRock is being financed by the Federal Reserve.
luke rudkowski
All of their losses are being subsidized by the Federal Reserve, just printing money and giving it to them right now, as the average taxpayer stands by and says, you got anything for me?
And then the big banksters are like, printer go burr, no more for you!
Printer go burr!
tim pool
Yeah, the meme is a bunch of pigs with top hats and the guy's cranking the money printer and the money's flying out and he's like screaming and his eyes are bleeding or whatever and the capitalist pig is like it's literally a picture of a pig with like a cop hat and a monocle is like smiling and taking the money and then below it it's one of those like really sad looking you know guys and he's all he's like please need I need money for food and then there's an angry person holding the thing saying the printer broke.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
There's no money for you!
But there's money for all the big business.
ian crossland
So money went burr in 08, was it, when they bailed out?
Tremendously.
And then two years later, Occupy struck.
So now we're looking at the printing now.
Maybe in a year or a year and a half, we're going to see another Occupy.
But we're already kind of seeing it with these autonomous zones.
They just haven't been forced into it.
People haven't lost their houses.
Well, they're starting to.
tim pool
People are losing their houses.
Crazy evictions are coming soon, man.
ian crossland
Occupy didn't have focus.
A lot of people were down on the Federal Reserve.
Yeah, it got muddled.
tim pool
A bunch of weird social justice people came in and took over and then made it literally about nothing.
ian crossland
But it should have been about the Federal Reserve and taking back the money supply, I think.
tim pool
It was about Wall Street.
It was about occupying Wall Street.
Literally, the plan was to go down to like Wall and Broad in New York and sit there making demands.
It kind of doesn't make sense because people don't know what Wall Street is.
I remember we were down there.
And a bunch of the activists got into, you know, in front of Wallenberg.
They barricaded it, basically.
But people eventually found their way in.
And some guy came out and he was like, what are you even protesting?
And they're like, Wall Street.
He's like, what?
Retirement funds?
What are you talking about?
I started laughing.
I thought it was hilarious.
Yeah, because Wall Street's a lot of retirement funds, like 401ks and IRAs and stuff.
People think it's just like, Wall Street is a phrase to represent powerful corporate interests.
It doesn't necessarily mean it's what Wall Street literally is doing.
But that's what the original focus was, that the big banks got these big bailouts and regular people didn't.
And so that was the issue.
Instead, the older people, the libertarian types, a lot of the Ron Paul types, who were there, left because guess what?
They have jobs.
And then the young people who didn't have jobs were sleeping in the park.
And then the kids who had apartments in Brooklyn and their parents paid for a couple trust fund kids, I know they're literally trust fund kids, not all of them, but there were some, they had no jobs.
So they were like, this is my job now.
I'm going to come here and organize.
And that was it.
Occupy Wall Street became some weird social justice progressive nonsense that made no sense.
They fought for nothing.
ian crossland
They were there to bust up fractional reserve banking and the Federal Reserve's fiat That's not, that was not a statement from anybody.
I know, unfortunately it just became about like social justice.
tim pool
But that was never a stated goal of Occupy Wall Street.
luke rudkowski
But those conversations did happen and there were individuals pushing for that.
tim pool
But the original call for Occupy was for the far left who organized one month before to organize what it was going to be and what it was going to look like and they wanted to occupy Wall Street And it was for far-left causes.
There was no official planning organization where they were like the Federal Reserve and fractional banking or whatever.
Those conversations happened, especially with the Ron Paul people.
cassandra fairbanks
So basically what we need to do is tell everybody that Radiohead's gonna perform at the Federal Reserve.
unidentified
That's what they did, for people who don't know.
tim pool
Dude, I was there when that happened, and I remember when they announced Radiohead was coming, I was like, that's not true.
And thousands of people showed up, and then the guy's like, okay, before they, he's like, we're gonna let you know Radiohead's not really playing here, but now that you're here, we're gonna do a general assembly.
It was actually quite brilliant, because there's two things.
First, the people who were there, I talked to this young woman, I was like, so did you come here for Radiohead?
And she goes, oh, well, I came for Occupy, but to watch Radiohead.
And she goes, yeah.
And I was like, but they're not coming.
She's like, no, but I'm here for the cause, not wanting to be admitting it.
So what they got was, they did a general assembly where they got everyone to mindlessly chant along to what they were saying.
So one of the things they do at Occupy is the people's mic.
The far left does this all the time with their protests.
Where at a rally, someone will say, mic check, and then everyone yells, mic check.
And then they'll start saying something, and everyone repeats it.
That actually creates uniformity between people because they're getting people to chant and say these things over and over again.
So they have thousands of people show up and they say, mic check.
And then everyone yells and they go, I think, I think we should, we should be socialists.
And then everyone is chanting.
We should be socialists over and over again.
So it was effective.
It was brilliant.
It was evil.
Very evil.
cassandra fairbanks
Amazing.
There's a psychological test that's really famous, and I can't think of the name of it right now, but I was watching it last night, where they put a person in a room with a bunch of actors, and they have a poster with different lengths of lines, and they'll be like, which two lines are the same?
and the actors all conformally like they all say the wrong one and then they watch and like that the person who's not an actor the first time will be like it's B. B and A are the same and then after a few rounds he'll start going along with what everybody else said and it's been repeated like hundreds of times.
tim pool
People can be dumb huh?
cassandra fairbanks
They always conform to what Monkey see, monkey do.
tim pool
There was a viral video where they did this where they had a doctor's office and then it's a bunch of actors sitting down and the non-actor, the Mark, walks in, sits down, then you hear a beep and then all the actors stand up for about five seconds and then sit back down.
So eventually the Mark, the non-actor, is looking around like, why is everyone standing?
Then start standing up and sitting down with them, not knowing why.
Just, everybody's doing it, might as well do it.
Eventually, this one guy was like, what are you guys doing?
And he's like, just what we're supposed to do.
I was like, okay.
So here's the best part.
One by one, they removed the actors and started putting in non-actors until everyone who was there had no idea why they were mindlessly standing up and sitting down when the beeps happened.
But they just do.
And when the guy was like, what are you doing?
He's like, I don't know, everyone's just doing it.
It's like, that's not a good reason to do anything.
luke rudkowski
Well not execute, but electrocute.
that study with animals and there's also the other one where they had a patient
execute someone thinking that it was the right thing to do because they had
someone in authority tell him right do it and they were pressing a button that they thought
they were electrocuting someone with higher and higher faulty.
Potato, potato.
Well essentially, essentially at the end of the study the guy died.
He faked his death but to the point where the guy was being told what to do he just kept clicking the button and then executed the guy.
ian crossland
I think it's because it's more important for us to adapt than to be right.
Sociologically, historically, for us to survive, it was more important that we, even if we were doing what we know is wrong, if it's the thing that fits the situation, we would do it and those would be the people that would survive.
So it's like in our DNA to say that the wrong thing is right if everyone else is doing it.
tim pool
Social?
It's like tribalism.
ian crossland
They can't understand that, dude.
Reserve Bank. I think that's when people see this fiat fake money printing. They can't understand that dude. Well, let's
explain it a little bit in the 1970 Nixon took us off the gold standard and instituted fiat
currency so that the Federal Reserve could print as much money
tim pool
Didn't they seize gold? They did. Yeah, I remember that Yeah, they said, like, you gotta give your gold up.
lydia smith
Shocking.
ian crossland
From what I know about fractional reserve banking is that if a central bank loans $100 to a bank, then the bank can take 90% of that money and loan it out.
And then the person that receives that $90 gets to loan out 90% of that.
So they can loan out $81 of that.
So you've created, from that initial $100, $171.
tim pool
It's how the money supply has expanded.
ian crossland
Yeah.
The issue is that if you have... Like, the easiest way to explain the issue is... What happens is, so you've created fake money, and then you request interest back on the fake money.
So it's this giant pyramid scheme.
tim pool
Right.
And eventually the interest outweighs the money supply, and then...
unidentified
Pops.
tim pool
But the easiest way to explain this, because people are going to be like, I have no idea what that means, is if you have a rare painting, it's worth a bunch of money.
If all of a sudden there's complete and exact replicas, like a hundred of them, like let's say you got a rare Luke Rudkowski original pressing and it's worth just a mere $1,000, because Luke's not necessarily a famous painter.
But it's a unique painting made by him worth a thousand bucks.
All of a sudden, one day, someone opens a vault, and there's a thousand of them.
Well, now it's not valuable anymore.
Because there's just tons of them.
Who wants them?
Everybody who wants one gets one, and then nobody's trading them anymore.
So when they just keep mass-printing money with no standard, with no backing, then the value is just the confidence of individuals in that system.
And what happens is, the more they print, the more your values do it.
It's inflation.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Well, the scary thing is right now, if enough people go to the bank to try to get their money back, they won't be able to.
A lot of people think that if they put their money in the bank, it's there and it's kept safe for them.
It's not.
tim pool
But that's true with or without fractional reserve.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
But that makes the problem a little bit worse.
tim pool
Yeah.
Runs on the banks are problems.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
The fact that they can loan out money that they don't have is crazy.
That you could borrow $100 and then loan out 90 of it.
And but still keep your hundred?
tim pool
Listen, listen, Ponzi schemes work really great so long as no one dares screw with your
system to put it mildly.
So the United States, the petrodollar, the fractional reserve system, it's brilliant.
We just got to keep printing the money and we'll keep expanding and we'll keep growing
and keep spending and everything's great.
Unless, you know, someone like Gaddafi comes along and wants to trade, and what do you want to trade?
luke rudkowski
Gold dinars.
tim pool
Gold dinars, and then you get Saddam Hussein who says maybe we should entertain the euro, and then, well then you have no choice but to, uh, can we drone this guy?
You know, can we join this guy?
And then what Hillary Clinton say, we came, we saw, he died.
And that's, I'm not saying that's exactly why, you know, the official reasons as to why we, you know, drop bombs on countries is because I guess they're bad people, you know, they hate our freedom.
ian crossland
The reason I'm railing on the Fed is because I think if we were going to start a new political party, it would be to repeal the Federal Reserve Act.
Like Ron Paul was the closest thing we had to a new political party.
tim pool
But I don't I don't think that would work at this point.
Oh, gosh.
This is a collapse.
ian crossland
What other what other unifying message do you think we can have?
tim pool
Nobody knows about the Federal Reserve or what fractional reserve banking is.
ian crossland
We just explained it to like 50,000 people.
tim pool
And no one's going to care because it doesn't impact their immediate lives.
If you if you went on the gold standard right now, a dollar would be worth nothing like a gold flake.
ian crossland
Now, going back to the gold standard doesn't make sense.
I think that's why you got to rely on crypto.
Proof of work.
tim pool
I don't know.
Maybe Bitcoin.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Because you can't print infinite amounts of it.
There's a finite amount of it in the supply.
tim pool
I think the Trump supporters should start a MAGA party, or something like that, and I think they need to stand on principle and do it no matter what.
I'm sick and tired of the, I'm gonna vote for a Republican just because it's better than Democrats, because then you end up with Mitch McConnell, who at a moment's notice is like, Trump, turn around, I got a knife, I gotta put it here real quick.
So what's the point of supporting any of these guys?
ian crossland
Can he start the white party?
unidentified
The what?
ian crossland
The red, the white, and the blue party?
tim pool
That sounds like a terrible idea.
ian crossland
Is it going to be two races?
unidentified
A white party?
ian crossland
But we need red, white, and blue.
We need white states.
unidentified
No!
No!
ian crossland
I'm not white!
unidentified
That's going to get clips.
tim pool
I'm being honest.
unidentified
We're pink.
ian crossland
Like orange-ish yellow pink.
unidentified
No one's white.
It's too late.
The purple party?
luke rudkowski
You tried, Ian.
tim pool
You tried.
ian crossland
We need a white party.
tim pool
That doesn't sound the way you think it sounds, Ian.
ian crossland
I'm not racial.
luke rudkowski
I get what you're going for.
tim pool
The MAGA party will be orange.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
It will be orange.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's a good idea.
tim pool
Orange.
Yep.
ian crossland
I'll start the white party later.
Yeah, that'd be cool if we had red, white, and blue states.
tim pool
Those are the colors of Russia, Ian.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
lydia smith
And France.
tim pool
Who are you working for?
The French?
lydia smith
Well, the French.
French agent.
tim pool
The white states?
I work alone.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
No, but I think that, I don't know.
ian crossland
No, you're right.
It's too racist.
tim pool
I don't, I don't care if, if, look, we've already heard a bunch of Republicans saying sacrifice the Senate.
I shouldn't say, I'm sorry.
Trump supporters are saying sacrifice the Senate.
Lynn Wood and Cindy Powell are basically like, don't vote for Republicans.
And it's funny because I'm like, yeah, I don't care either.
unidentified
Like, I'm not going to care.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, we go through this like every election and the same thing with Bernie bros.
They'll come and they'll be like, well, you gotta vote for our party because you don't want to vote for the fascists, or you don't want to vote for the socialists, so you gotta vote for us.
And then they have no incentive to do what we want.
We had Donald Trump as the president, and the Republicans still would not enact the policies that he campaigned on.
So why?
Why should we vote for him?
Why should the left vote for the Democrats?
Why should the right vote for the Republicans?
Make them do work.
tim pool
Have you been following what's going on with Jimmy Dore?
cassandra fairbanks
No.
tim pool
So Jimmy Dore's awesome.
And Jimmy Dore said that AOC and the other progressive Democrats can force a floor vote on Medicare for All.
And she's basically said, no, it can't be done.
We don't have the votes and blah, blah, blah.
And so Jimmy's point, and he's getting attacked for it by a bunch of progressives because he dare question AOC.
He said, if 14 or 15 progressives said, we will not vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House unless we get a floor vote on Medicare for All, she will do it because she will lose the speakership and probably to a Republican.
So, of course she would.
And then the response they give to Jimmy is, but it won't work, and then we won't get Medicare for All and it'll be a waste of time.
And it's like, so what?
So what's the worst case scenario?
It gets voted down?
Then Jimmy said, then we'll know exactly who voted against this.
But he brings up a really good point.
After everything AOC has campaigned on, she won't have, she does not have the political will because she's a careerist who's thinking about herself.
That's why she fired the people, you know, she got rid of some of the people that were around her, that helped her get where she was, that's why she pushed them away.
And it's why she walked back from some of her more extreme positions as soon as she got elected, because she's thinking about the next two years and her career.
That's what she's interested in.
And you know what?
I understand that.
She was a bartender, right?
And I mean, there's no disrespect.
I think it's fantastic that she was a bartender and got elected.
And now she's probably sitting there thinking, without this, I'm just, I'm nothing.
And Republicans remind her of that every single day.
She likes to complain and say, Republicans want to hold that against me.
Well, I represent the working class.
And it says, right.
She would have a TV show.
She would have something.
For sure.
fight the Democrats and they ostracize you and you become ineffective and then you don't
get reelected, that's where you're going back to.
Now probably she'll be an organizer or something.
cassandra fairbanks
She would have a TV show.
She would have something.
tim pool
Right, something like that.
cassandra fairbanks
She's a rock star now whether we like it or not.
tim pool
But she wants this career.
So it's really fascinating that she was supposed to be this, you know, bastion of progressivism and leftist values.
She was a card-carrying member of the Democratic Socialists.
She gets elected.
Now they're actually yelling at Jimmy Dore because he's like, do your job!
Do what you are elected for!
And you know what?
I completely agree with him.
I like the idea of Medicare for All.
I don't think it can be done.
I don't think that it'll win.
And I think you can't just snap your fingers and make something like that happen.
But I'd like to see all the Democrats actually stand up and put their money where their mouth is.
I want to know which one of these are just paying lip service to the progressives, pretending to care about this.
But you know what?
It's already been done for me.
And I'll tell this to Jimmy, because I think, Jimmy, you're great.
You wanna know who would vote no on Medicare for All?
It's all of them, including AOC, who won't demand a floor vote.
There you go, it's all of them.
It's her included.
So when he comes out and he says, she should do this, it just goes to show you, I don't think it matters who you vote for, for the most part.
Except for Trump.
Trump was like, ready to, you know, like, figuratively fire off nukes to get what he wanted.
Build the wall, find the money, he was gonna do it.
He fires the Pentagon top brass, wants to get the troops out of Afghanistan, because he's willing to make it happen to keep his promises.
Almost every single other politician, except for a couple, they're going to do the same exact thing.
They're going to say, I'll do this for you, vote for me, and they're going to get in and then they're going to do nothing.
That's why we need two new parties.
I'd love to see the progressives start a new party.
Not that I think they're going to get anything done, but Trump supporters certainly have political willpower.
So even if they lose.
cassandra fairbanks
I'd like to see it just so that both parties will be split.
So it's fair.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
I don't care if the Republicans lose.
And do you?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I don't, but I also don't want to permanently give power to socialism.
It would be ideal if we could have four parties, populist left, populist right, establishment left, establishment right, and square off and really see what people want.
tim pool
If we, I think if we actually had a populist left and a populist right party, the Democrats and the Republicans would cease to exist in a couple cycles.
cassandra fairbanks
Me too, and that's why I want it so bad.
tim pool
That's why Republicans should just do it.
I'm sorry, I keep saying that.
Trump supporters should just do it.
Because when I see Donald Trump say that he won, and I see all of the high-profile Trump supporters, and even members of Congress, I'm like, y'all are in the Trump party?
Own it, start a new party, and you can caucus with Republicans or whatever, but already these populist right-wing individuals are beating Republicans.
They just need to do it.
You know what?
Maybe you'll lose some elections, but I'll tell you this.
Is it worth empowering people like Mitch McConnell, who's going to be like, give me the moment's notice to kick Trump in the butt?
No, just don't do it.
If you're going to lose, if the Democrats are going to win, then make the Republicans recognize they either support you or you walk.
Good.
Maybe the Democrats are... I think the Democrats are going to win in Georgia.
They do.
cassandra fairbanks
I do too.
tim pool
Trump's not on the ticket.
And the Republicans are dwindling.
The only reason the Republicans gained voters is because of Trump.
And they won't support him.
Some of them will.
But Mitch McConnell won't.
So I think without Trump on the ticket, especially with Mitch McConnell doing this right now, it's going to be hilarious.
January 5th is around the corner and Mitch McConnell just said, basically, F Trump.
Don't support him at all.
cassandra fairbanks
Even in a symbolic gesture, Even today, Trump retweeted Lin Wood saying that Kemp is going to be arrested.
That's right.
unidentified
That's crazy.
cassandra fairbanks
That's not going to drive voters out in Georgia.
tim pool
No, you know what?
You know what I think?
With Mitch McConnell pleading, he's not just saying, you know, it probably would make sense if we didn't do this.
He's saying, please, please don't even give a symbolic support for, you know, any kind of symbol of support for Trump.
How many people are going to be like, okay, Mitch, you're right.
I won't.
I also won't give you control of the Senate.
You will not be the majority leader.
You'll be the minority leader, and you will have no power.
Congratulations, you've earned it.
If people don't stand up now, then we're just going to have the same garbage machine churning along endlessly.
And you end up with people like AOC who's just a careerist.
There's probably a couple real progressives who got in, but I think most of them are just careerists.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, of course.
I mean, that's the whole business of politics.
Sell out to special interests, save your butt, and get as much as you can for yourself.
That's essentially what the system is run on.
But I think another factor to really consider here is the fact that most Americans have a lot more in common than they do than they disagree with.
And when we look at most of Americans they are disenfranchised they're sick of the corruption they're sick of the special interest they are sick of politicians lying to them and taking advantage of them which they always freaking do so I think there's even a probable chance of.
As we're seeing this kind of political realignment, we saw just a few years ago, according to many charts and data, a lot of people being in the moderate kind of realm of politics.
We're seeing them kind of move away from each other.
More people are going towards more far-left ideas, more people are going towards more far-right ideas.
But essentially, when you look at the political spectrum, it's kind of coming together in a circle, and they might actually meet each other and make a cohesive force of anti-establishment-ness, saying enough is enough.
And if we could put aside our differences and learn to respect each other in a kind of republic system, where let be as other people's want to be left alone, I think there's a possibility that this could essentially happen.
This could be something significant.
tim pool
You brought this up.
Michael Malice brought this up.
Divorce.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
What do you think about the idea of peaceful separation?
cassandra fairbanks
I am so pro divorce.
I, I want, I want to split it.
I absolutely, I'm a hundred percent down for it.
And I'm so glad that I live in West Virginia, which would be red as hell.
I am.
tim pool
I'm it's, it's a second, second reddest, I think, uh, Wyoming.
So, uh, what's funny is I hear a lot from the left when they're like, if that were to happen, the red States would become a third world nation.
And, and no, no, I mean, maybe, but you know what?
I don't think the people advocating for this care.
At all.
unidentified
I think they're like, okay, have they been to New York City lately?
luke rudkowski
Have they been to Brooklyn?
Like, have they seen the rats?
cassandra fairbanks
We have the most land.
We won't have to pay for the welfare for everybody in the cities.
I, the only thing that I've complained about when the left put out their map, um, we can't let them control the whole West coast.
Cause we're going to need ports on the Pacific.
Other than that, I'm down for like their proposed split.
I think it was like Amy Suskind or something put out a proposed map.
Yeah, I saw mine.
And then like a United States of Canada.
Yeah.
I was like I am so down for that except we need a port.
unidentified
We could work out a deal with Mexico Okay, okay miss Pinochet, let's hold on here The Civil War started was secession.
luke rudkowski
Okay, Miss Pinochet, let's hold on here for a little bit.
cassandra fairbanks
Some of my thoughts lately would make Pinochet blush, to be honest.
I've gotten to the point.
unidentified
That was how the Civil War started was secession.
ian crossland
Don't you think that would happen again?
luke rudkowski
Maybe.
Well, another thing people need to realize is that we are on a course for a very turbulent
And I think succession and moving apart, just like Alan West suggested, I think it's going to be a resolution that would be the least harmful to the rest of America.
If we could just peacefully agree to, you know, have our own differences, to have our own states, to live how people want to live and still have a central national defense.
But to be able to respect each other's differences and enable more of states' rights and less of a big centralized government, I think that could be something that is something that we should strive for, especially now, because when we look at the future, it's going to be a very bumpy ride for everyone.
cassandra fairbanks
I think we've reached a point where we're not even on the same page, especially morally.
tim pool
Words don't even mean the same thing.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Like having a conversation makes no sense now.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
I don't understand how we can be a cohesive nation when people are speaking completely two different languages.
I mean, I don't... It's not that extreme.
ian crossland
I mean, it's not completely different.
We're both speaking English.
tim pool
No, we're not.
ian crossland
I mean... People can learn.
tim pool
Yeah, but there's... Dictionary definitions change to make no sense.
Racism in the dictionary, I think it was Webster's or Miriam Webster, became circular.
It became essentially meaningless.
I did a bit where I read the definition and it's a recursive loop because they use the word racism in the definition of racism.
So it's like...
Because it was like power exerted over someone on the basis of being racist or whatever, and it's like, so it just never ends.
No, there's a bunch of things that, when I'm trying to have a conversation with someone, I have to ask them to define certain things.
Like, systemic racism, what does that mean?
You're gonna get a million different definitions.
Because there's different tribes that say things and they mean different things.
Racism and sexism clearly do not mean the same things to the right and to the left.
luke rudkowski
And now there's even a new study out today that talks about this unconscious bias training showing how essentially it doesn't do anything but creates a worse of a problem which is something that really needs to be talked about because no one really wants to touch that topic at all.
tim pool
We have a story here from Real Clear Science.
Research shows diversity training is ineffective.
You don't say!
To everybody listening, I just want you to imagine that you're at work, you know, maybe you work in an office, common job, you're at a computer, and they say it's time for your mandated corporate diversity training.
What's the first thing every single person thinks, or 90% of them, when they're told this is what's going to happen?
ian crossland
A guy in a suit.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Just any person.
Any average person.
unidentified
Ug.
tim pool
Exactly.
ian crossland
I think of the office space.
luke rudkowski
The office space segment where they had their diversity training.
Do you remember that clip?
tim pool
No, it's been a while.
luke rudkowski
I don't want to spoil it.
tim pool
Yeah, nobody cares.
They're like, ugh.
ian crossland
Corporate drugs.
tim pool
If anything, I'd imagine it made it worse.
luke rudkowski
That's what the study found.
It found that it did make race relations worse.
I mean, already, let's be honest here.
A lot of the woke people, they're very uncomfortable around people of color already.
They admit it!
Yes.
Yes, they're very patronizing a lot of times.
Yeah, they're patronizing a lot of the times.
They're awkward, they're weird, and if you treat someone differently because of their skin color, obviously you're not going to gel or work with them as if you just treat them like a normal human being, which a lot of people are forgetting and they're not doing at all.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, Black Lives Matter drove a whole bunch of Hispanics over to the right, too.
Yeah, that was crazy.
tim pool
So it was really interesting.
Do you know Hunter Avalon?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
unidentified
What is that about?
tim pool
We had him on the show the other day.
And, you know, he's nice, but he's very, like, he said he's like, now he used to be conservative, now he's center center left, he voted for Biden.
I'm like, but, you know, he was talking about how he's very much in favor of the traditional family.
And I'm like, so you oppose Black Lives Matter?
And he's like, no, no.
I'm like, yes or no?
Black Lives Matter explicitly, in their, they're doing, what is it, the New York Teachers Union did that curriculum?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
The Black Lives Matter curriculum, where they oppose the traditional family.
It's not just the parent organization, it's like the general group and what they espouse.
They do not like traditional families.
So, you know, to even go back to the discussion, it's very clearly a divide between what these countries are.
New York, very, very different from, say, West Virginia.
But he doesn't recognize that.
I think one of the big issues is that you tell somebody racism is bad and they're going to be like, I like that.
That's correct.
I don't like racism.
Great.
But then what they're really doing is, see, the woke left's definition of the word racism is literally them being racist.
Or I should say, they call it anti-racism.
And it's the same exact thing as racism.
The only real difference is what their stated intent is, I suppose.
So they're advocating for one thing, calling it something else, and then having people do these trainings who clearly don't like it, and all it does is make everything worse, make everybody hate each other.
ian crossland
Yeah, if you're gonna tell someone that someone else is bad, you're doing a bad thing.
So you're the bad one saying that guy's bad.
So it's like if you're gonna use evil to call out evil, you're the evil one.
tim pool
Well, basically they're like, racism is bad.
Our solution is to judge people on the basis of their race.
It's like, well...
lydia smith
Who was it, Ibram X. Kendi, who was talking about how the only way to make things right was just to be more biased against white people?
This doesn't seem like the way forward.
tim pool
No, he said discrimination against everybody.
lydia smith
Oh, everyone.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
Well, it's truly equal.
I like that.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, yeah, I mean... Sorry.
No, go ahead.
In the schools, they've been pretty much teaching white kids to hate themselves.
lydia smith
Yes.
cassandra fairbanks
And that's the thing that really drives me over the edge.
And thank God I homeschool.
But they're teaching people not to credit Edison with light bulbs.
Cartoon Network put out a thing about that.
And like all these things that are just like little digs at white kids.
And it's going to make white kids feel bad and hate themselves because of their skin.
tim pool
But the Edison thing is interesting.
So they're saying it was some black dude who invented the light bulb, I guess.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
But it was actually that he, I think he perfected a filament that improved upon it.
And I'm pretty sure, didn't he work for Edison?
ian crossland
I'm gonna look it up.
cassandra fairbanks
I'm not sure.
tim pool
So my understanding of it is when it happened.
cassandra fairbanks
My eyes glossed over while the cartoon played.
tim pool
But it's not a Black Lives Matter thing.
It's a socialism thing.
It's a communism thing.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
He invented it, but he was working for Edison.
Edison, like, said, here's what we're doing, here's what we're building, and he went, oh, okay, and then he improved on the project, and they credit, it's about crediting the worker versus crediting the owner, you see?
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, his name's Lewis Howard Latimer, and he was an American inventor, patent draftsman for the patents of the incandescent light bulb, among other inventions.
I could go deeper into it.
tim pool
Yeah, but wasn't actually invented.
ian crossland
He just made like a new filament.
Yeah, we used the most used filament of the time.
Yeah.
tim pool
But my understanding is that isn't isn't the original light bulb still on?
It's always been on.
It's in a firehouse in New York City or something like that.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
And because of planned obsolescence, we're now given light bulbs that we have to keep buying again and again.
tim pool
Yes, that's that's that's I guess like the the typical thing here on the Internet.
I think the official answer was that it was completely impractical to build because it was expensive and hard to produce.
But, I also think, you got a guy who makes a lightbulb and says, these things basically light up forever!
And they're like, so what, we run a company for a year and then we're done?
Good point.
Can we get something that fails?
And now here's the best part.
That's the guy who invented the filament that we used for like a hundred years?
Was he the one who perfected the obsolescence?
So they're trying to credit him for making the lightbulb when in fact he may be the guy who's credited for creating the bad lightbulbs that caused rampant pollution and consumerism and, you know, basically emboldened capitalism.
I'm not saying that's true.
I'm just saying, you know, if we... I heard the story there's a firehouse in New York against the L.A.
Lightbulb.
It's been on forever.
It's still on.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I heard about that as well.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know if that's true.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Whatever.
ian crossland
I've been thinking a lot about secession since that came up a little bit earlier.
And I think that maybe a better thing would be a revolution against taxes that are imposed unjustly.
tim pool
You don't, I don't, that's not going to solve the culture where I come in.
ian crossland
Like sales tax, like payroll tax.
tim pool
But what does that have to do with like kids getting puberty blockers?
ian crossland
Well, I know I'm just kind of jumping track right here and taking us,
taking it back to where it was like 20 minutes ago.
It has nothing to do with that.
tim pool
But those are the issues for The Culture War.
cassandra fairbanks
Give me a two-state solution.
tim pool
Listen, listen.
ian crossland
Kids are crazy because we've been at war because we want to extract opium and oil for money.
tim pool
So if we can get out of this fiat realm of the OPEC dollar and stop worshipping the dollar, Well, look, the one thing that may drive an actual divorce is the fact that the populist left and the populist right don't care for any of that stuff, and it's only the neolibs and neocons who are like, yay war!
So you give, you know, the Bernie Sanders crew the opportunity to be like, we don't care about that!
We want people to have healthcare!
And you go to the conservatives and the Trump supporters and they'll be like, bring our jobs back!
Like, I don't see any of the Bernie people being like, yay war.
Well, some of them, but not like the legit progressives.
And the Trump supporters definitely not.
So if there's one thing that's going to drive a peaceful split is when both populist factions tell the establishment, we don't care about you anymore, and we don't agree, and we don't like those people either, but we agree not to interact anymore.
I think the real issue is we could have a weakening of the federal government.
We don't need a peaceful split.
We don't need a civil war or revolution.
We need the Supreme Court to stop being able to dictate laws for the entire country.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
That's really it.
cassandra fairbanks
State's rights.
unidentified
That's it.
lydia smith
Federalism, yeah.
tim pool
Because I was thinking about, I was reading a lot about the revolution and American independence.
You know that a bunch of people in New York signed a declaration of dependence?
They were like, we don't want revolution!
We love the king.
So like 500 and something people signed this.
No one knows because, well, you know, we won and they didn't.
So, but anyway, the original Articles of Confederation in the US, extremely weak.
It was basically like all the states with whatever authority they had said, we're going to fight for each other so that, you know, we're all independent.
And then after that, you kind of do your own thing.
With the Constitution, they were all like, okay, now we're one country and we have to, you know, we have these rules, we have a Supreme Court, we have legislation and stuff like that.
It affects everybody.
I guess that was a decent idea, but now what's happening is we can still provide for the common defense.
We can still do what the federal government was supposed to do in collecting taxes and, you know, providing military and, you know, negotiations on behalf of all the states.
But does it make sense that half the states completely disagree with half the states on certain key issues, and the Supreme Court says we hereby rule that everyone must abide a certain way?
While I certainly agree with a lot of the rulings of the Supreme Court, because they've benefited me and my family, like going back to the 60s and civil rights and stuff like that, the problem now is that the cultural issues are so, like, stark and completely out of this world that, I mean, we're on the verge of people, well, we're literally watching people kill each other and beat each other in the street.
If we just said, okay, West Virginia, you can have your guns and do your thing.
Okay, you know, and if you if people don't like it, you can move somewhere else.
But it's weird the left of the ones advocating for saying like all states
must conform to one uniform law in this country, even though they don't live in
cassandra fairbanks
these states. Yeah, if California wants to give up their guns, I don't care. Just stay out of West Virginia.
luke rudkowski
If someone wants to be disarmed and live with a bunch of rats around them they could go to New York City.
Go right ahead.
Feel free to support those incentives.
And I think really you hit on a good point here.
Decentralization I think is a peaceful way to resolve a lot of this.
And I think if there ever was an opportunity to make people realize that Independence, state's rights are very important.
It is right now.
I think we have a very big opportunity to remind everyone we don't need a huge big bloated bureaucratic federal government centralizing and controlling everything.
We see what happens with the DMV.
It's not a good idea.
Less government is good and it allows people to prevail.
It allows people to thrive.
It allows people to, of course, not be Squashed and screwed over by all the big multinational corporations that are using government to their own personal benefit.
And a lot of people have it skewed.
They're saying the corporations are evil.
We need more government.
No, you fool!
You don't understand that it's because of big government and their incentives and their programs and their one-on-one working with them that has established them to be these big giants that they are right now and why we're living in this current situation that we are.
It's because of direct government intervention.
tim pool
You know, I've been talking for a while about the track towards a civil war, and seeing like half the states align against the other in an almost-negative Supreme Court, or I would say it was docketed in the Supreme Court, Supreme Court rejected it, just shows that there is serious alignment between the left, the Republicans, Democrats, left, right, against each other.
You know, based on the stuff we were talking about with, like, a new Occupy Wall Street, I'm wondering if it's not going to be a civil war, but a revolution.
And what I mean by that is, it'll look more like what happened to Syria than, like, the civil war in this country.
We have a political establishment.
You have people like Joe Biden.
He's filling the ranks.
Like, Joe Biden, you know what he did?
The moment they said, Joe Biden is the president-elect, he was like, all right, and he got a fire truck, and he hooked the hose right into a big ol' swamp and started spraying D.C.
down, full blast, the fire hose.
He is filling the swamp with a fire hose.
So, you know what I'm talking about the left and their autonomous zones.
Like you said, you don't care if California bans guns, just stay away from West Virginia, okay?
So now you got this town in Washington, why would they interfere with what Portland's doing?
You voted for it, that's your, you go do your thing.
So what happens then when the establishment tries to maintain control over all of them, And then you get something like, you know, right-wing individuals, right-wing militias saying to left-wing militias, hey, you don't like, like we saw with the Boogaloo Boys and Black Lives Matter and Antifa.
There was this rally in the West Coast where the Boogaloo Boys were like shaking hands with Antifa.
And they were like, look, we disagree with you, but we all agree the government's bad, right?
And they're like, yeah.
And there's a video, I think it's from Ford Fisher.
Or the Antifa guy is like, you stood with us today and we respect you for that.
And so what happens?
Those people will say, we don't want to go to your town or your state.
We want our state.
And the Boogaloo boys in the right wing are like, we completely agree.
It's the establishment and the government, you know, the mainstream political establishment is bad.
So, in that sense, if it comes down to these COVID lockdowns destroying people's lives, and the Michigan police blocking the GOP from coming into the Capitol building, they shut it down, then Republicans are eventually going to be like, why am I going to support these police?
Then when Antifa and Black Lives Matter go and fight the cops and say defund the police, conservatives are going to be like, okay.
cassandra fairbanks
I'm already seeing it.
tim pool
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
Like I've been I've been covering this stuff a lot and I think I had tweeted out like the Michigan video of them being denied entry.
My mentions are all Republicans being like, why are we backing blue?
Let's stop backing the blue.
I don't back the blue anymore.
And it's it's getting to a point.
But the problem is there's different the reasons are very different.
So I don't think there'll be an alliance necessarily.
tim pool
No, but if the enemy of the enemy is my friend, And, you know, the cops are doing something bad, then the Republicans are going to be like, I'm not getting involved.
So I don't think the right, I shouldn't say Republicans, I keep saying that, the Trump supporters or the populist right, I don't think they're going to show up to Portland and be like, we've come to supply aid in your fight against the establishment.
Maybe at some point.
I think mostly they're going to sit back, put their feet up and be like, We ain't helping you!
You're on your own, officer!
Why don't you go lock down some poor working family's business so they go starve to death?
I'm not gonna support that.
I personally will not support that.
And so, the more I see these cops, like in Staten Island, barring people from their First Amendment rights, I'm like, sorry.
I'm not gonna support those cops.
By all means, anti-vote, do your thing.
I don't care.
Defund them, whatever.
I don't live there.
If you voted for it, well, that's, you know, you live there.
What do you want me to say about it?
ian crossland
But if it was invaded by, like, a foreign country, would you still come to their aid?
tim pool
That's an interesting question, because at one point I probably would have said yes.
At this point, man, I don't know.
If New York destroys everything and their government destroys everything, maybe, you know, for the people, not the establishment government.
Or maybe I might just be like, well...
This is what happens when you lose support of the people and they no longer feel the government represents them.
Someone could come in and invade and I'm going to be like, it's not a government for me.
I've never been a Republican.
They never represented me.
Joe Biden certainly doesn't.
None of these people do.
So why would I do anything?
I'm not a part of that community.
luke rudkowski
A bigger question is who would want New York City?
No one wants that hellhole.
I live there.
I moved away from there for a particular reason.
tim pool
Luke would rather live in my parking lot.
unidentified
Yes, I'm a lot happier here.
luke rudkowski
My RV is bigger than my apartment was in New York City.
ian crossland
Were you there when it flooded during Sandy?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, I was there.
Tim was there as well.
I was there, yeah.
tim pool
That was crazy.
ian crossland
You know, one thing the government I think is overreaching and overdoing this a little bit too much is forcing us all to use the same currency.
And if they would just back off and let us decentralize command here... But you can, that's not true.
tim pool
The U.S.
ian crossland
dollar is the national currency.
It's illegal to start a currency in the United States right now.
No, it's not.
tim pool
That's not true.
Ithaca has the Ithaca Hour.
There's a bunch of jurisdictions with local currencies.
There's a big movement.
luke rudkowski
Breaking Ridge dollars.
ian crossland
Well, that's awesome.
tim pool
And there's cryptocurrencies.
ian crossland
There is crypto, but they regulate the hell out of it, and I don't think they should.
tim pool
The issue, I think, was there was one guy... Look, do you remember the guy who did the Liberty dollar?
Do you remember that?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yes. He got raided. But I guess it was because he was printing money and calling it dollars
and currency. That's what I'm talking about.
So when you look at places like Ithaca, it's not really big anymore. I went there a year
or two ago and asked them about it and they said it still exists, but it kind of fell
out of disuse because the main proponent eventually... And they could have done it if they just didn't
luke rudkowski
put dollars on there. Right, exactly.
ian crossland
What's happening is the Federal Reserve is like a parasite.
The Federal Reserve is a parasite in the brain of the U.S.
military and it's using the military to force us to use U.S.
tim pool
dollars.
It allows them to print value.
It allows them to fabricate value outright to fund the military.
ian crossland
It allows them to force the military to make us use the dollar.
luke rudkowski
In regards to the military, could we change topics specifically to people who try to hold the U.S.
military complex accountable and what happens to them?
unidentified
Can we like oh there we go who am I talking about here?
tim pool
John F. Kennedy But that's still Julio Robert Kenna's mess miss and
cassandra fairbanks
Cassandra who's Julian Assange Julian Assange is Possibly the biggest hero in the world in my opinion who
should have a parade and a day named after him But no, um, he
He is the founder of Wikileaks, also.
tim pool
So what's going on with Julian Assange?
I heard Trump was going to pardon him.
lydia smith
I heard that too.
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
But that was BS.
And it was shocking news to his legal team and his family and his friends who were devastated a couple hours later when Pastor Mark Burns tweeted that it was fake news and that he had bogus sources.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story we got from Newsweek.
Is Trump pardoning Julian Assange?
Pastor Mark Burns tweet sends rumors flying.
So, I don't know if they have the tweet pulled up, but Mark Burns, a verified Twitter user, they don't, and he tweeted that he was going to, what did he say?
He went on to say disregard.
He said breaking news.
Yeah, he said breaking news.
They don't have the tweet in this article.
That's trash.
But everybody kind of went nuts, and they all wanted to believe it.
Everybody wanted it to happen, left and right.
I cried.
cassandra fairbanks
I was in tears, full on.
tim pool
Left, but the left and the right.
The populist left, the populist right were like, this is amazing.
Trump should do this.
The establishment was very angry.
unidentified
Oh, Bill Kristol.
luke rudkowski
I remember sending out a message when that happened.
I'm like, okay, we don't know who the source is.
We don't know if this is true.
We have no information that verifies this, but let's keep this going because maybe Trump will see this and change his mind.
tim pool
Didn't Trump talk about it?
Oh, he talked about Snowden.
cassandra fairbanks
Snowden.
I mean, I got hundreds of messages right after that.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I saw I saw your status update.
You said journalists who wouldn't spit on me if I was on fire are now contacting me like crazy.
Was that what you said?
unidentified
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
All these mainstream media journalists are like, hey, Cass.
Buddy old pal.
What have you heard about Julian?
And I'm like, oh, are you guys writing another hit piece on me or you just want some info?
You're going to have to read Gateway Pundit.
I was such a bitch.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
Well, so so so it's fake news, huh?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
I mean, it's possible that Trump planted it so that he could feel it out and see if there was support, which is why I was encouraging people to really tweet it.
luke rudkowski
Well, the pastor had a photo of him talking to Trump in what looked like a confidential way.
That was his literal picture.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
Trump was talking to the pastor.
luke rudkowski
There's a picture of the pastor.
cassandra fairbanks
He definitely has ties to Trump.
ian crossland
And Trump said he was considering pardoning everybody, right?
Literally?
tim pool
Anybody who talked to him.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
So, like, basically, yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
Today, Julian Assange's legal team put in the official formal request for a pardon.
tim pool
I think it'll happen.
You know why?
cassandra fairbanks
Why?
tim pool
Because Trump wants to give a big middle finger to the deep state, to the intelligence agencies who screwed with him and jammed him up for years.
cassandra fairbanks
But he still also has people like neocons like Grinnell and stuff surrounding him being like, WikiLeaks is bad.
They're so bad.
They hurt national security.
tim pool
But I don't know.
Trump might be like, I'm going to burn it all down on the way out.
luke rudkowski
I hope you're right, but if you look at Trump's relationship with Wikileaks, it's extremely bipolar.
It's like you have a crazy girlfriend that's like, I love you, I hate you, I love you, I hate you.
If you remember, Trump said officially he loved Wikileaks.
I love the Wikileaks!
Then, when he became president, he pretended not to even know who Julian Assange was.
He talked about literally executing Chelsea Manning and Snowden.
He talked about executing Edward Snowden.
When we talk about his record on whistleblowers, it's not the best.
I hope you're right.
We'll see.
But come on, time is ticking, Trump.
I mean, if we're gonna do it, do it.
Stop wasting everyone's time and stop raising people's false hopes about this.
Let's do this already.
tim pool
Julian Assange is not a whistleblower.
He's a journalist.
cassandra fairbanks
Correct.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
And you can dislike what he's published, but I can't remember who was talking about this, but it was like on Fox News, and it was some Republican saying, maybe one of the good ones or something, saying, you know, when the New York Times got the NSA leaks, Were they charged and arrested?
WikiLeaks gets information and they publish it.
luke rudkowski
Well, this is the very dangerous thing that's happening right now with Julian Assange.
If the United States is able to get away with this, anyone reporting anything anywhere in the world, regardless of their citizenship, can be arrested, sent to the United States, and essentially sent away to jail for telling the truth.
tim pool
Here's the best part.
All of this basically confirms the initial arrest of Assange was bunk.
ian crossland
Yeah, what was it the charge was like a statutory rape split condom All right.
lydia smith
Yeah, literally.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, they chart.
Well, they never actually charged him.
They never charged him and they imprisoned him for what seven years He was he was in Yes, they were talking about secret grand jury indictments, which the mainstream media was saying was a conspiracy theory.
luke rudkowski
The mainstream media was like, there's no secret grand jury indictment against Assange.
He should just leave.
He's wasting everyone's time.
He's creating a spectacle.
The mainstream media was literally on that point, like white on rice, and they were absolutely wrong.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I believe it was 2013, the Stratford leak came out, and they laid out what they wanted to charge Julian with, and an espionage act was listed in there, and I would tweet about it all the time, and all these reporters would be like, you're such a conspiracy theorist, he could walk out of there anytime he wants, and I'm like, no, he And then what happened?
tim pool
The door got kicked in and they dragged him out.
luke rudkowski
During the Trump administration and there's wheeling and dealing behind the Trump administration with the Ecuadorian embassy with the United Kingdom to get him out of there and that's exactly what they did.
So we have to also understand on the backdrop of Trump doing this to Assange is he going to pardon him?
tim pool
But why did Trump do it to Assange?
luke rudkowski
Well, allegedly it's because Assange wouldn't give up his sources, which he is known for doing.
tim pool
The sources of what?
cassandra fairbanks
The DNC leaks.
unidentified
He still won't call Chelsea Manning a source.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
The source of what?
luke rudkowski
The DNC leaks.
tim pool
That's right.
If you look at the big picture, it seems that Trump was looking at Assange and he said,
I got the deep state on my back, accusing me of working with Russia,
and they're claiming that that was used to help me win. And if Assange just said,
here's who was the actual source was boom, done, Russia gate gone overnight.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but Russia gates over it's been done. People who were just paying attention or had a pulse
understand or understood that it was bunk from the very beginning. Why would he try to appease
the mainstream media to such a point? Why would he try to play up to the mainstream media to
You don't get it, man.
unidentified
No.
You don't get it.
luke rudkowski
Regular people believe the media.
For years, they said Trump was a Russian asset.
One guy went on MSNBC and says, That was the Soviet Union!
tim pool
People believe the media Some of them story years. They said Trump was a Russian
unidentified
asset. Of course. I'm not denying One guy went on MSNBC and says we must entertain the
tim pool
possibility that Donald Trump has been working with the Russians since 1987
luke rudkowski
Yeah, that was a Soviet Union Eric. Well said that he was a Russian agent. Yep as he was banging
Fangfang.
As he was with Ms.
Fangfang.
It's crazy.
unidentified
It's absolutely... And he was talking about honeypots as well, saying that there was Russian honeypots with... Did you hear what they said on Fox News about Swalwell and Fangfang?
luke rudkowski
No.
tim pool
They were like, when you're a two and she's a ten, it's a honeypot.
luke rudkowski
Hold on, there's a Babylon Bee article that is absolutely brilliant with their headline today.
And the headline reads, Chinese spy assigned to date Eric Swalwell begs to be sent to labor camp instead.
That maybe happened, you know, it's probable.
But again, when we talk about this whole Russian collusion thing, if he's playing up to the mainstream media so they don't call him a Russian asset, what is he trading in for that?
Sending an innocent mail and sending a very... I mean, Cassandra, what do you think about this?
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, I was a witness for the defense in the extradition hearing.
So, I mean, I personally testified kind of against Trump because I was given information that Donald Trump personally ordered Julian's arrest.
So, I mean, I'm personally not overly confident that he's going to do a pardon.
But I'm hopeful, you know, maybe.
tim pool
How is it that Trump didn't learn?
And listen, the media was spitting on him every single day, and he thinks they would ever give him a fair shake.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
He could have actually gotten evidence that, you know, about who the source was for the DNC leaks, and the media would just say it's fake news.
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
They would say Julian Assange lies and claims fake news, but we know it's Russia!
unidentified
What would he get out of it?
cassandra fairbanks
WikiLeaks has never had to redact or apologize for a story in history.
They've never once published something that was false.
tim pool
Retract.
They do redact.
cassandra fairbanks
Retract.
unidentified
Right.
cassandra fairbanks
Did I say redact?
tim pool
I think so.
luke rudkowski
She said retract.
unidentified
Oh, she said both.
luke rudkowski
But if you look at what they're accused of, they're accused of essentially what the New York Times does, what the Washington Post does every day.
cassandra fairbanks
All these websites use the WikiLeaks model now for submitting anonymous stories.
tim pool
No, no, no, you guys are wrong.
WikiLeaks does not do what the New York Times does.
The New York Times is a propaganda arm for the establishment.
Wikileaks publishes true information.
luke rudkowski
Sorry, what the New York Times used to do.
tim pool
No, no, no, purports to do.
luke rudkowski
OK.
cassandra fairbanks
Do you guys remember back when the Palin emails went out on Wikileaks?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
Washington Post set up a Twitter account that was still active last year when I looked for it.
But they were they were calling for volunteers to help go through Palin's emails and then look at what they did with Clinton's emails.
luke rudkowski
Look what they did with Hunter Biden's emails.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
But now they're all talking about it because they want Kamala.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
Yep.
Kamala.
cassandra fairbanks
Whatever.
tim pool
I don't care.
luke rudkowski
You're going to be put in the gulag there.
cassandra fairbanks
Because I have no respect for her whatsoever and I don't give a crap what her name actually is.
ian crossland
I got to clarify about Assange.
So in the beginning, he released a bunch of sensitive information and then they charged him with statutory rape.
unidentified
Is that right?
cassandra fairbanks
No.
tim pool
I mean, hold on.
On the surface, basically.
cassandra fairbanks
Do you want the timeline here?
So basically, he got these cables from Manning.
WikiLeaks was spending about nine months so far redacting all these names and making sure that nobody was going to get hurt because of it.
That they were taking out locations of people who were sensitive, who were in Afghanistan or whatever.
But then Luke Harding from The Guardian released a book that had the password and a former WikiLeaks employee put out a link to the full file, unredacted.
And so combined these two pieces of information put together, led to websites like Cryptome and Pirate Bay all putting
out the unredacted files.
And so Julian attempted to contact the State Department and be like,
hey guys, we have a problem.
We've been redacting everything, but it's coming out.
And the State Department basically told him to screw off.
And so they ultimately ended up having to release everything.
But it leads to an interesting question.
WikiLeaks wasn't actually the first to publish the unredacted files, so how come the 50 other outlets that published before WikiLeaks Didn't get charged and WikiLeaks didn't get charged.
Why isn't Luke Harding sitting in an embassy somewhere?
tim pool
So there was a case in Sweden where the government was basically accusing him of, I think it was what a condom broke or something.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, a condom broke and there was a love triangle.
ian crossland
Well, was he having sex with an underage woman?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
cassandra fairbanks
There's never even been an allegation of that.
tim pool
I guess they wanted to get him an STD test.
That's what it was.
And so the police were like, ah, yes, we're going to arrest him for rape.
And so he was wanted for questioning.
He said, Sweden has an extradition treaty with the U.S.
and they're trying to get me.
So he went, he was actually arrested, wasn't he?
He was arrested by British authorities and put in a British prison.
cassandra fairbanks
No, well, yeah, but he was on house arrest.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
He was first, he was arrested.
He went to a British jail or prison.
Then they put him on house arrest with an ankle monitor, right?
And then he went to the Ecuadorian embassy.
ian crossland
He was arrested for rape charges?
unidentified
No.
cassandra fairbanks
No, he was never charged with rape.
luke rudkowski
But we have to understand that American mainstream media ran with headlines saying Julian Assange is a rapist who's now gonna get Americans killed all over the world.
cassandra fairbanks
Women Against Rape, a feminist organization, even came out and said that by calling a condom breaking rape You are doing a disservice to rape victims everywhere.
luke rudkowski
But we have to understand there was many mainstream media publications that ran with that.
And I remember being at the court proceeding for Chelsea Manning and it coming out that the leak didn't, like, didn't lead to anyone dying.
But that was the major thing that the mainstream media was running with.
The Pentagon submitted that.
tim pool
Julian Assange, I'll tell you what my opinion is.
The whole Swedish investigation was dropped.
Like the moment they snatched him up and they're like, okay, we got him.
Okay, forget all that stuff.
We don't care anymore.
It was very obvious Julian Assange was right the whole time.
It was an excuse to get him to Sweden.
They could send him back to the U.S.
That was the big plan.
They wanted to lock him down, lock him up.
They got him locked up in the Ecuadorian embassy for years, hindering his ability to work.
Finally, he gets pulled out by Trump.
Julian Assange was a thorn in the side of the political establishment and the deep state intelligence agencies.
He was doing work as a journalist and he was doing good work.
And so they said, well, we can't have that.
We own all the other journalists.
You know, I'm saying that figuratively because they're all very much in the bag.
I think most people who work for these companies are activists who just love the Democrats in the establishment.
cassandra fairbanks
Thomas Jefferson said that the political parties will always maintain a standing army of newswriters who will do whatever the party wishes.
luke rudkowski
But pulled out is one term.
Getting him out of there and charging him and now making him face charges is another term.
So that's also another aspect that we have to understand here.
Because he is facing very serious charges that could lead him to have jail for the rest of his life.
cassandra fairbanks
170 years.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
cassandra fairbanks
Espionage Act charges.
tim pool
Trump better pardon this dude, I swear.
cassandra fairbanks
Look, they're saying... I'm going to clip that myself.
unidentified
Yes, do it.
tim pool
Trump better pardon this dude, I swear.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Listen, Donald Trump Is facing criminal investigations at the state level.
Joe Biden says he's not going to go after him.
So, you know, I was reading this thing.
It's really fascinating.
It's from Ulysses S. Grant.
He wrote about the Civil War and he said, if anybody feels that they're oppressed by the government, it's their right to revolution.
But you have to recognize you're putting your life, your property, and your guarantees of citizenship on the line when you do.
Well, they're basically threatening Trump supporters and Trump with that already.
COVID's taken away people's property, their life, their pursuit of happiness, and all of that.
And so their choices are extremely limited right now.
It's like, what do I do?
Stand up, fight back, or lose everything?
Donald Trump is staring down the barrel of the state-level criminal investigations.
They are threatening his life, his property, and his guarantees as a citizen after all this goes down, after he leaves office, assuming that's what happens.
So Trump has every reason to fight to the bitter end.
But if Trump loses support of people by not making sure he abides by what the actual populists write, and many on the populist left, as much as they might not like him, if he just says, I'm going to cozy up to the establishment, fine, I won't pardon Assange, well then who's going to be supporting him when he's a citizen and they're going after him with these crazy messages?
ian crossland
No one.
They'll steamroll him and throw him under the bus if he does that.
tim pool
And people are going to be like, well, a lot of people support and respect Trump.
He needs to show the people that he's going to stand up to the establishment.
He needs to pardon people like Assange and Snowden and Ross Ulbricht.
Geez, I would support him if he did that.
We need a freedom fighter, yeah.
I don't think necessarily going to guarantee him more support.
He's always going to have his base, but I think if he's, I would support him if he did that, if he's part of the
ian crossland
freedom fighter.
Yeah.
tim pool
What if he pardoned all nonviolent drug offenders who didn't plead down?
Like did a review?
ian crossland
That's a big thing.
I'm not too concerned with all or none things right now.
That's too complex.
There's just some people that need to not be charged first.
tim pool
I think Trump should rubber stamp the pardons, just dishing them out.
He should make it rain pardons.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, everybody likes to lump in Julian with all these other people, particularly Snowden.
I think that Julian's situation is much more dire and it deserves to be discussed.
ian crossland
It's almost fraudulent the way they went after the guy.
tim pool
Absolutely.
It was so obvious to everybody.
These accusations against him, the smears in the media.
He was doing real work, publishing real journalism for the first time in a long time.
And you know what?
The powers that be are like, listen, our friends, you want to know how it works?
When you work for these news organizations, they're called access journalists.
They're like, I better not make the CIA angry because they give me great scoops.
cassandra fairbanks
And WikiLeaks embarrassed a lot of those journalists.
Like, it came out that they were, you know, getting flipped stories from the DNC, that they were, you know, sliding over the debate questions to Hillary Clinton.
WikiLeaks embarrassed the media just as much as it embarrassed politicians.
If Donald Trump really wants to get back at these people, Donald Trump has spent 4 years being like, the fake news, the fake news, we need real news.
If he actually believed that, and he actually wanted to fight against fake news, and against the deep state that's been going after him for 4 years, this is the best way to do it.
Stick it to them by showing them what real journalism is and freeing Julian Assange.
tim pool
And more than that, a broad pardon to protect Julian from other bunk BS charges.
cassandra fairbanks
A very broad preemptive pardon.
tim pool
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Another thing that came out that you just brought up was the fact that the DNC wasn't just directing the news, but literally writing the news.
Where mainstream media journalists sent articles for approval from the DNC.
And we're talking about, this is the mainstream media, this is the establishment.
Many people had to resign in disgrace because they got caught red-handed just being puppeteers for the establishment, not actual critical thinkers and safeguards in the fourth branch of the government.
They weren't any of that.
They were puppeteers, horse stream media, prostitutes that literally regurgitated their talking points to the T.
cassandra fairbanks
This is a bipartisan thing too.
You guys were both at the DNC, right?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
cassandra fairbanks
Outside the DNC they were chanting, Hillary cheats, thank you WikiLeaks.
tim pool
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
After Bernie conceded.
tim pool
Yep.
cassandra fairbanks
And that chant went on for a long time and then they started taking away people's signs because there were people who had WikiLeaks signs, Bernie signs.
DNC people came around with the trash bags, started throwing them all away.
luke rudkowski
They had white noise machines, didn't they?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Wow.
tim pool
But now you have this new generation of younger leftists who don't like Assange and don't know anything about him.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, it's because they don't know.
They think politics started in 2017 or whatever.
They're like, Orange Man bad.
And they don't remember.
None of them had to bury their friends like we did.
After they, like, got shipped off to Afghanistan.
I mean, I got mostly involved in politics after my friend died in Afghanistan.
And so when, when WikiLeaks put out those releases, the war logs, I was like, this is, this is it.
This is like, this is something that I will forever support and stand for.
But these people, they think that politics just started and they don't understand the, Trump is bad.
tim pool
We gotta vote for Biden.
He's just an old man.
unidentified
What was the war logs?
Well, it was 200... Was collateral murder part of it?
cassandra fairbanks
Yes.
But it was a whole bunch of cables and documents that showed, you know, the cost of war, essentially.
It showed U.S.
government killed a Reuters Well, so... Camera?
With your photojournalist?
luke rudkowski
And then they lied about it, yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
Listen, listen.
tim pool
Collateral Murder was probably one of the biggest releases from... It's on YouTube, right?
luke rudkowski
It was.
tim pool
Yeah, it was.
luke rudkowski
It got taken down a lot.
tim pool
It's a video showing people walk out of a building, and then they just, like, kill them all.
And it turns out it was, like, a Reuters journalist.
luke rudkowski
Not just them, but also the ambulance that came afterwards, and they shot up an ambulance with a small child inside.
cassandra fairbanks
We also didn't really know how many civilians were dying, or just how much death was happening in general.
So by releasing all these cables, people in America got a chance to actually see what this war was costing us, and what it was costing people all over the world.
And support, because of WikiLeaks directly, support for the wars went down and people started getting brought back.
tim pool
And the truth shall set you free.
ian crossland
Some other guy released an unredacted report and Julian got busted for it.
cassandra fairbanks
It's a little complicated, but basically the files were being held online and there was a really encrypted password that you needed to get to it.
But different news organizations that were working with WikiLeaks all had this password so that they could all go because there were so many files.
So they partnered with like The Guardian and all these newspapers.
They all had access to it.
But then Luke Harding wrote a book about Wikileaks and he put the passcode in the book and the passcode had not changed.
And so instead of being able to go through and redact all these files, it all got put on Pirate Bay and Cryptome.org and all these websites.
And so Julian, it was either, you know, pull the trigger or, you know, lose the story.
luke rudkowski
I still remember this collateral murder video because it was absolutely shocking to finally see the true reality of what was going on there and to see helicopter pilots laugh and be so inappropriate when it came to executing what then we found out was journalists.
We also found out that Reuters was asking the U.S.
government what happened, what was going on here, and the U.S.
government just kept denying the family members, the journalists, their friends, their company.
They couldn't find anything about what actually happened, how they died, until this video came out.
which again just finally showed the American people the reality of war
because we have to understand this Iraq war was a mainstream media war.
It was squeegee cleaned, it was there was PR talking points, there was
weapons of mass destruction, there was an yellow page, there was embedded news reporters within
the military showing you a perspective of go America it's great.
Not the perspective that the American people saw in Vietnam, where journalists actually saw and reported on the realities of war, which made a lot of people anti-war in the United States.
We didn't have that.
But finally, with Wikileaks, we finally got the reporting that we got during the Vietnam War and people started to finally ask questions and saying, this is not protecting my freedoms.
These guys with sandals in the middle of the desert aren't a threat to me.
And we have bloodthirsty psychopaths who are literally foaming at the mouth, celebrating and are happy that they just shot up innocent people and journalists.
tim pool
That was, the video footage was from the Bush administration, wasn't it?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
And then it carried on under the Obama administration.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, no matter what you feel about Manning, too, I remember during the trial, Manning was like, it was like watching children torturing ants with a magnifying glass.
And I never forgot that.
It always stuck with me.
ian crossland
And for what?
tim pool
For what?
For Halliburton contracts?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
To gain strategic territory surrounding Iran because people like John Bolton want to celebrate in Tehran?
luke rudkowski
It's not even strategic territory.
The Iraq war made Iran more powerful and it allowed them to expand their sphere of influence in the region which makes them a bigger threat against the US geopolitical neocon power.
So it didn't even serve the original objective that they said it was serving, and it did the opposite of that.
Again, order out of chaos, creating more problems, which later on they're gonna have an excuse to solve, which is absolutely crazy.
tim pool
I just had a crazy idea.
What if we just take the troops out of these countries and bring them back here?
cassandra fairbanks
What?
luke rudkowski
Well, the NDAA this year has a provision in it.
No, no!
They're trying to pass a provision within the NDAA that would prevent a president from sending troops back home.
tim pool
Okay, so hold on.
The NDAA is the National Defense Authorization.
It's basically them approving the budget and spending for all of this stuff when it comes to war.
And Trump keeps saying he's going to veto it, and every time he does, I just laugh.
And I just want to put my feet up and crack a beer and be like, do it.
Just do it.
I mean, he's threatening to repeal Section 230, which is a big mistake.
But didn't Rand Paul jam up the NDAA as well?
luke rudkowski
Yes, he did a whole filibuster.
He always filibusters.
And he's now speaking out against it as well.
And he's bringing up the fact that, you know, under this NDAA, a president has unlimited power to send troops anywhere in the world, start any war he wants, lead people to death easily just with a decree.
But sending them home, he can't now without congressional approval.
So that's in the new NDAA that they're trying to get past, which is insane.
tim pool
Man, this political establishment.
ian crossland
That's sick.
tim pool
You know what, it's like the people in power right now, I guess why I was describing it, is like the neocons slap social justice as a wrapping, and now they're like Democrats, I guess?
It's like the same thing?
cassandra fairbanks
No, the neocons in festival parties, they always have.
And, you know, as soon as the right started being a little bit anti-war, you know, Bill Kristol slithered over to the Democrats and was like, hi guys, peeking out from his festering trash bag.
tim pool
Wait, you say slither though, but what's it called when like slugs like ooze their way?
What's it called?
cassandra fairbanks
Sliming.
tim pool
Sliming their way?
That's more, you know.
ian crossland
We saw militants rather than neocons.
cassandra fairbanks
Neocons are a very specific group of people.
tim pool
What I'm saying is the difference between a neocon and a neolib is that one is pro-social justice.
ian crossland
Like, it's not a conservative thing to go to war.
That's a very liberal action.
tim pool
It's not.
It's the opposite.
cassandra fairbanks
It's both parties, though.
These people have infested both parties.
And I don't even think it's fair to say that it's just, you know, Republicans or that all the neocons have went over to the Democrats, because it's not true.
We still have Dan Crenshaw.
They have Bill Kristol.
These people from PNAC all have spread out all over the place.
And everybody just seems to forget all the things that they've lobbied for and the things that they've done.
But if you if, God forbid, you tweeted 15 years ago some kind of joke that's now perceived racist, they're not going to forget that.
But if you lobbied for the Iraq war and lied us into war, You'll get elected president.
Yeah.
You can fit in with both parties.
They'll put you on MSNBC.
tim pool
Mitch McConnell will say, players don't vote for Trump.
We need Joe Biden to win so we can blow up more camps.
ian crossland
Do you guys know who Daniel Ellsberg is?
cassandra fairbanks
Yes.
ian crossland
He released the Pentagon Papers, which basically got us out of Vietnam.
cassandra fairbanks
He's a big advocate of Julian.
luke rudkowski
Yeah well also we just had the Afghanistan papers which were just released and again just a blip on the mainstream media and then never really talked about again showed again almost exact similarities to you know the Vietnam War when it specifically came to a pointless endeavor that doesn't help anyone except for the military contractors with even mainline US military officials saying there's absolutely no reason we're in here but we still are.
tim pool
This country flourished best when there was an honest, well I shouldn't say there was an honest press, but when there were good journalists doing the work, when there was a balance between the government and the people and public right to know, the weird things that Luke brought up like the heart attack gun, we eventually learn about these things because journalists did their job, but these people thought it would just be so easier If the, if the journalists were just in our pockets, if we just, we can, we can feed them these stories and they'll be too scared to spigot against us.
They'll support the establishment, get the activists in these organizations.
And now there's none.
So there's no challenge to a runaway broken system.
The corrupt keep corrupting and the system is decaying rapidly because of it.
luke rudkowski
And independent media is the only institution still calling it out.
And that's why we're seeing a lot of it just absolutely censored.
cassandra fairbanks
We won't exist anymore, a lot of us, if Julian Assange is thrown in prison.
I mean, what kind of precedent is this setting?
As soon as, you know, we have some ultra-left administration in there, they're gonna toss all the right-wing journalists in jail.
The right's gonna toss all the leftist journalists in jail.
Like, this case sets a horrifying precedent, and people need to think about it in terms—think about The opposite party.
And if you would want the opposite party having this power.
lydia smith
People are bad at that.
tim pool
People are.
Yeah.
They don't they don't think beyond what's happening now.
And I think one of the issues to Glenn Greenwald brought up an interesting point that he said something like if there's one group of people that is the complete inability to learn, it's liberals who advocate for censorship.
But I think what you know what I was realizing when we had some of these guests on who were younger and they're leftists.
A lot of these people who are advocating for censorship, they're young.
They didn't go through Occupy Wall Street or the anti-war protests, so they didn't see the problems caused by all this.
Now, they're just entering politics for the first time, and they're all going, yay, and cheering for the establishment, and raising their fists in support of the machine.
ian crossland
Dude, 9-11 was insane.
I was in New York City.
I worked at Ground Zero.
I thought we got attacked and then I started seeing all this evidence that the buildings came down in free fall and that it was a demolition.
Dude, if that was a demolition and that we were lied to, this entire world war for the last 20 years is a lie.
cassandra fairbanks
WikiLeaks has released a lot of emails about 9-11.
You should read them.
luke rudkowski
Which ones specifically stand out to you?
cassandra fairbanks
I don't remember.
There's like 300,000 of them.
tim pool
One thing you learn a lot from things like WikiLeaks is how a lot of the world is not grandiose conspiracy, but individual or small group corruption, self-interest, and complete and total incompetence.
Like people, like the Iraq War for instance.
It's gonna benefit all these people.
What was that movie with, what's his face?
Who played, he played George W. Bush, Josh Brolin.
Was it called W?
cassandra fairbanks
Was that what it was?
tim pool
And you had the scene where Dick Cheney's like, if there's a 1% chance that sandwich has got salmonella with you.
And he goes, oh come on!
Come on, Dick.
No, I can't eat it.
ian crossland
It wasn't Brolin.
I know what you're talking about.
tim pool
It wasn't Brolin?
ian crossland
No, it was called Vice.
The movie's called Vice.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I'm talking about an older movie.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
No, maybe it was Brolin.
luke rudkowski
I would actually kind of disagree with you because if you look at the way the establishment has been getting their way, I think there's an argument to make here that they are somewhat in charge and that a lot of times they blame it on incompetency as a cover.
I think that's also a possible reality that we have to entertain here that I think is probable.
tim pool
Well, the difference between a grandiose conspiracy and powerful elites leveraging their power for personal gain, I guess.
ian crossland
Yeah, like bumbling their Halliburton into Iraq.
Like, it didn't seem... It wasn't well orchestrated.
tim pool
They were real blatant about putting Dick Cheney's company... They just say it and they just do it and no one cares.
They're like, Dick Cheney... Well, he was a former CEO, wasn't he?
Of Halliburton?
He's like... Was he?
ian crossland
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
But it's like, dude... They can just come out and say it and everyone just says, okay.
lydia smith
This is because they have journalists in their back pocket, and when you have the journalists in your pocket, you don't have to confront hard truths.
tim pool
I think it's that there's no political willpower among the only people who actually care.
You've got the Democrats who are basically like, whatever Jimmy Kimmel tells me, I'm
going to go vote for Biden.
And then you've got low information left.
The people who are older who just watch Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert have no idea what's going
They're dumb as a box of rocks.
Then you got young people with no political experience whatsoever celebrating the establishment.
unidentified
Great.
tim pool
Maybe in 10 years you'll realize why you were wrong.
Then on the conservative side, Republicans, you know what they're saying right now on reddit on r slash conservative?
You know what I'm gonna do tomorrow after seeing that, you know, Joe Biden won the electoral college?
I'm gonna wake up, go to work, and I'm gonna carry on with my life.
And then I'll keep voting and advocating for my cause.
Congratulations.
Great.
I love it.
And how's that been working out for you?
Trump supporters are fighting, and they're fervent.
MAGA party.
Make your own political party, and watch the Republicans squirm, because if you're not getting what you want anyway, why vote for the Republicans?
At the very least, you can say you stood up for what you believed in.
And maybe the Democrats gain control and they do what they want, fine.
You know what?
If the Democrats do, they're not gonna get- the progressives are gonna be really angry because they're not gonna be supporting them.
And maybe they'll fracture eventually, or you'll say to regular people, this is why the Republicans have failed you.
They're allowing all that to happen.
It's about time someone in this country got some political willpower, some wind at their back, and said, we are going to do something totally different, not support these Republicans who don't care about us.
And not only that, The traditional Republicans don't even really align with what the new MAGA party is.
It's diverse.
There's people of different backgrounds.
You've got black Trump supporters, gay Trump supporters, gay men, lesbians, people LGBT.
Trump has done something unique in awakening people who've been paying attention and getting the riled up and stand behind him.
Now they need to assert themselves as their own party and stop voting Republican.
And other Republicans are gonna get mad.
They're gonna be like, Tim's gonna help Democrats win.
I don't care about them either.
And I don't care about the Republicans.
I don't care which one.
They're all the same.
cassandra fairbanks
The Republicans don't stand for any of the things that... I mean, a lot of us like Trump because he's America first.
He cares about putting America first.
If we're not, you know... How is building a school in Iraq putting America first?
It's not.
So he wants to bring our troops home and things like that.
That's not... Those aren't Republican beliefs.
We all know those aren't Republican beliefs.
tim pool
So if you're getting the same thing from Democrats and Republicans, then all that's really happening is like, vote Republican to kick the can down the road for another year, or vote Democrat to make the can come right to her front door, or vote for something better than kicking a can.
luke rudkowski
In my opinion, it's because people keep voting for the lesser of two evils, why we can't have nice things.
tim pool
I don't know.
I don't even, you know, I see what you're saying.
Yeah.
But like the Democrats are fighting for things and demanding things and
screaming and pounding on walls and throwing bricks.
The conservatives are going, whoa, I don't know about all that.
I'm just going to go home and, you know, do not hold on.
cassandra fairbanks
No, there were a lot of people out in DC on Saturday.
tim pool
Those are Trump supporters.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
The Trump supporters are saying, rabble, rabble, rabble.
And we saw the Proud Boys acting a whole lot like Antifa.
And I criticized it.
cassandra fairbanks
I support it.
tim pool
Well, I'll tell you this.
unidentified
Oh yeah, I do.
tim pool
So we saw, in D.C., Proud Boys came out and were tearing down Black Lives Matter banners and burning them.
Cassandra's cheering for it.
Heck yeah.
I don't think stealing people's property and burning it, I don't agree with it.
cassandra fairbanks
I, you know, I am fine with it.
They have been burning down cities for almost a year.
They came, I mean, I have personal beef because my, I had to move.
tim pool
But did that church who paid for a banner, should they be, have their banner destroyed?
cassandra fairbanks
It's a banner.
Their insurance will cover it.
That's what they've been telling us for a year.
tim pool
See, the problem I had with that was, did that church do that?
If Antifa wants to act a fool, and the Proud Boys say, we'll play, we'll play with you.
If Antifa says, we want the arena of violence.
cassandra fairbanks
Antifa burned an actual church.
unidentified
Absolutely.
cassandra fairbanks
And everybody defended it.
Well, I mean, yeah, the liberal media.
tim pool
The media makes excuse for it.
Listen.
cassandra fairbanks
And now they're crying over a banner?
They want me to shed tears over a banner?
When they were justifying the church that was a mile and a half from my house catching on fire?
unidentified
Uh-uh.
tim pool
You can complain about the media, and you can complain about Antifa, but I'm not gonna support anyone victimizing the innocent and the uninvolved.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't mind it.
It was a banner.
It was a political banner.
I don't care.
I, honest to God, I am glad that they're out there, and I'm glad that they're causing a heck.
tim pool
That church isn't Antifa.
That church isn't Antifa.
cassandra fairbanks
It doesn't matter.
tim pool
Why not?
I don't support any group stealing other people's stuff and burning it and destroying it.
I'll tell you this though, if Antifa says we want the arena of violence and the Proud Boys say, much obliged, well then why am I going to shed a tear for Antifa?
So when the video comes out of these two Antifa getting stomped out and chased down the street, and all of a sudden the top post on Reddit is like, Proud Boys are attacking innocent protesters!
I'm like, they've been BEGGING for this.
They're the ones who put out message after message saying violence is the only answer, we must punch Proud Boys.
And the Proud Boys are like, much obliged!
They want to play.
But if the Proud Boys want to tear down a church's banner, that has nothing to do with this, that wasn't rioting or protesting, that's stealing property and destroying someone else's stuff.
I don't agree with it.
cassandra fairbanks
It doesn't bother me at all.
Honestly, I'll pretend that I care if you go on, but I don't.
tim pool
No, we can disagree.
cassandra fairbanks
I think that, you know, we can't even put up Trump signs in D.C.
Like, when I was living in D.C., if I had put up a Trump sign or even an American flag, my house would have got vandalized.
Like, there's a 0% chance that it would not have been.
And so I just have a really hard time pretending that I give any kind of craps about a sign.
I honestly don't.
We can't put up signs.
I can put them up now because I'm in West Virginia.
But if you live in a city or even close to a city, you can't put up a Trump sign.
You can't put up an American flag.
So why should they be able to put them up?
I think that, you know, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
So many people told me that I shouldn't be allowed to put up Trump signs because it makes people uncomfortable, while Black Lives Matter signs make me uncomfortable.
Take them down.
Don't care.
tim pool
Well, the Proud Boys are not traditional Republicans or conservatives, and they have political will, and they're stepping up, and they're saying, okay, Antifa, we'll play the game that you've asked us to play.
So look, when Antifa steals the flag from somebody and burns it, I say you're stealing someone's private property.
You want to burn your own flag, that's a first amendment right to go do it.
I don't like anybody vandalizing someone else's property.
If the Proud Boys go out, Antifa shows up, and then the Antifa gets stomped out, well, They asked for it.
Far be it for me to tell Antifa that they shouldn't get what they've asked for.
They've literally been saying, they post these comics where you must not tolerate intolerance, we must punch these people.
Okay, well, if you want to fight them, by all means, you're allowed to do it.
If two people agree, not every state is like this, but there are mutual combat laws, where two people can go outside and say, we agree to fight, and they fight, and one person gets hurt, the cops say, it's mutual combat.
So if that's what Antifa wants, then I'm not going to complain when the Proud Boys go and stomp them out because they begged for it.
burning private property I have a problem with.
cassandra fairbanks
I see the Black Lives Matter flag no different than I see an ISIS flag.
And I'm not going to cry over a domestic terror organization's flag coming down. I'm not.
And I honestly, like, I don't feel bad for them.
I just don't.
And I think it's ridiculous that the media wants everybody in the country to cry over this stupid freaking poster when, you know, four Proud Boys got stabbed.
There's all these other stories that happened.
That guy.
tim pool
Critical condition.
cassandra fairbanks
That guy just got released.
He's not even being charged now.
They're claiming it was self-defense or whatever.
But it's like there's so many more important things in this banner.
And the fact that we can't even put up a Trump banner and feel comfortable because of how militarized and radicalized these people are.
I just, I'm not going to pretend to care.
tim pool
I tweeted something a while ago.
I said, they say diversity and inclusivity, but there's certainly a limit to inclusivity and diversity, right?
Like they don't want to include Nazis.
That's fairly obvious.
So when they say diversity, you know, and inclusion, they don't actually mean those words.
What they actually mean is our approved groups should come together because there's even groups that aren't as offensive.
They would say no to.
If a very peaceful and loving, true Christian conservative came around, they'd say, GTFO.
Like Chris Pratt, who's apparently a really, really nice guy, and he wore a Gadsden shirt and he's a Christian, and they mock him and they insult him.
And as his, you know, Hollywood friends, they do defend him.
So clearly they're not trying to include even the good, peaceful individuals of diverse backgrounds.
So diversity and inclusivity doesn't mean anything.
In fact, I would dare say they're intolerant.
They're intolerant to people like Chris Pratt, and they keep sharing this comic that says, how do you deal with intolerance?
You must reject it from society, because if you tolerate intolerance, eventually intolerance wins.
Well, when they say the only way to solve this problem is to beat the authoritarians down to scare them away, the Proud Boys did that.
They showed up, they saw a bunch of black-clad individuals, and they beat them up, chased them away.
ian crossland
That's like communist and Nazi street violence pre-World War II.
I don't like it.
The Proud Boys going out there is like the Nazis going out and fighting back against the communists, or the communists going out and fighting against the fascists.
tim pool
It's similar in some ways, but it's very different.
The core ideology of the Proud Boys is nothing like the Nazis.
cassandra fairbanks
I would feel more comfortable being defended by Proud Boys than the cops.
I would rather be in a crowd of Proud Boys than a crowd of cops.
I mean, I can't go out and cover rallies anymore because people recognize me, they spit at me, they surround me, they, you know, do all kinds of ridiculous stuff.
It's happened over and over.
The cops never came and defended me, but the Proud Boys did.
So I'm glad that the Proud Boys were out there.
I would like to see more of them out there, and I'm stoked.
I was thrilled to see them taking control of the situation, because the police haven't been doing it.
tim pool
The only way I can put it is, if Antifa and the far leftists have been flying these comics and these banners saying, you can't tolerate intolerance, then I'm gonna be like, alright, I guess if you want the Proud Boys to go, you know, beat the crap out of you, Who am I to argue?
I don't like private property being destroyed.
I want people to be able to live and be peaceful.
And somebody wants to fly a flag for Trump, Gadsden flag.
cassandra fairbanks
What about ISIS flag?
tim pool
If they want to fly it, if they have first amendment right to do so.
cassandra fairbanks
Would you want to be near them?
tim pool
No, of course not.
I don't want to be near them.
cassandra fairbanks
I see it as them flying an ISIS flag in the middle of DC.
And I think they're allowed to do it.
I don't.
I think that they should be.
tim pool
You don't think people should be allowed to fly an ISIS flag?
cassandra fairbanks
No.
tim pool
Why not?
cassandra fairbanks
Because they're supporting terrorism.
I don't think they should.
tim pool
But you have a right to free speech.
You can say you like certain things or don't.
If they incite and call for direct violence, then I'd be like, okay, that's bad.
Like, yeah, if somebody wants to say they're a bad person, I'm gonna be like, okay, well, thanks for letting me know.
I'll avoid you.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't know.
The people who fly ISIS flags generally do provide material support for ISIS.
tim pool
Well, that's different.
If they do, then yeah.
But if someone wants to claim they like it, I'll be like, you're insane.
cassandra fairbanks
You're an insane person.
If they have an ISIS flag, they should probably be investigated.
ian crossland
Kind of like it's a Shagua Vera shirt doesn't really necessarily mean they support the violent murder of the gay
tim pool
community Cuba and the LGBT
ian crossland
Vera was a murderer gays and blacks. He hated he hated LGBT and black will wear his face on their shirts
Yep, I kind of see Isis flags like that. Like I could wear an Isis flag on my shirt
I don't necessarily believe in what they do. It's just an image. Hmm. I wouldn't I
tim pool
I think that's insane to wear an ISIS flag.
ian crossland
Well, I'm about to wear a We Are Change logo on my shirt.
tim pool
That is over the line.
Hold on, hold on there.
I can defend free speech only so much.
Only so much.
luke rudkowski
I mean, these We Are Change shirts are pretty cool.
unidentified
Like this one that says, you had me at F the system.
luke rudkowski
Side note, side note, side note.
Did you hear that Chris Pratt's character in Guardian of the Galaxy was announced to be a polyamorous bisexual yesterday?
tim pool
In the comic.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
There was a comic about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So I don't know how that translates to Chris Pratt in the movies or whatever, but man, Marvel is so desperate to make this work.
cassandra fairbanks
Are they trying to own him for being a conservative?
unidentified
Probably.
lydia smith
That's what I came up with.
tim pool
One of the writers is probably like, alright, I'll do this and then he's gonna have to do it in the movie or whatever.
You know what, man?
There's two different countries.
We have two different countries here, clearly.
ian crossland
At least two.
The thing is, we always have.
That's the great thing about the United States.
We've had Italians and Africans and... No, that's not what I'm saying.
tim pool
What I'm saying is... I mean, we've always had all these different cultures blending into one here.
No, that's not what I said.
We have two different countries.
We have people who believe in the Constitution and people who don't.
You have people who are... And people who kind of do.
ian crossland
And people who don't even know what the Constitution is.
And people who are obsessed with the Constitution.
tim pool
The two parent cultures in the culture war are...
We can do whatever we want, and we're the collective, and we're in charge, and the leave-me-alone people.
It's very libertarian versus authoritarian, but there's a bunch of little nuanced factions in between.
So if you've got people who are like, we have a foundation of this country, the Constitution, that guarantees individual rights, and then you have the left saying, Governor Cuomo, by edict, can shut your store down and take away your income while he goes and parties with his friends.
That's the Democrats!
ian crossland
There's, like, constitutionalists, but then there's people like, the Constitution's not perfect.
There's a lot of crap in it.
The Federal Reserve Act?
Repeal it!
tim pool
I'm not like a... Well, and the 13th Amendment has that, you know, pro-slavery imprisonment provision.
ian crossland
Yeah, we're supposed to change the Constitution.
There's people on all levels of the spectrum.
tim pool
So, in fact, the Constitution is fantastic because it allows for amendment.
ian crossland
Yes, and diversity of thought.
tim pool
The problem is, we're at a point where we're not going to get two-thirds of the states to ratify fixing some of these problems, because you've got one faction saying we should get rid of the... I mean, you've got the left literally writing in the New Republic, it's time to get rid of the Constitution.
ian crossland
That's kind of silly.
I think that we could get two-thirds of the states.
tim pool
I don't.
ian crossland
With the internet, we could easily rally 80 million people to do something.
tim pool
Two-thirds of the states.
ian crossland
You could get 80 million to vote for Biden.
tim pool
We can't even get two-thirds of the states to vote for one or the other candidate.
It's split.
It's over the past several elections.
ian crossland
But that's because it's a disunified function.
If we needed to rally two-thirds of the United States to do something, we could.
tim pool
Like what?
ian crossland
I don't know, man.
tim pool
Like the Equal Rights Amendment's probably never gonna happen.
ian crossland
So what do you want to do?
Repeal the Federal Reserve Act.
Let's do it.
tim pool
No one would agree with that.
No state would agree with that.
Why would you say that?
Because the corrupt political parties are running the show.
Join me, Tim.
It's the Uniparty, and they're not going to support stuff like that.
We've got two distinct cultures.
You could have conservatives say the rights of free speech should exist on digital platforms as well, or Internet Bill of Rights.
And the left is going to go, but my private company is allowed to do what they want, because they're weird neocons now, I guess.
So, we're at a point where there's two distinct cultures.
This is the important thing when people talk about multiculturalism.
You can have these various cultures all under this one umbrella of the Constitution and free speech and individual liberties and stuff, but when you have one culture that says, the government is allowed to shut down your life, so be it the crown, and the other side's saying, come and take it, they clearly don't agree, and it's a recipe for disaster.
And that's where we're heading right now.
ian crossland
I'm going to be explosively aggro, but that's because I have to pee, so I'll be right back.
unidentified
Okay.
Well, we should do super chats anyway.
tim pool
I'm not your buddy, guy.
Says, if America allowed this election, allows this election with everything that's happened, where is the incentive to have integrity anymore?
Why don't Republicans just kick out all the Democrat poll watchers and find enough votes to win at 3 a.m.?
If allowed, the Republic is dead.
Yes.
If Pennsylvania, the judge said, so long as an observer is in the building, it counts.
Well, then every Republican take note.
Precedent has been set.
Congratulations.
But more importantly, are Trump supporters going to get behind Republicans at this point?
I think it's a bad idea.
So, you know, maybe it was a period where I was like, wow, it'll be apocalyptic if the Democrats win.
Now I'm kind of like, I don't like Purdue or Loeffler.
cassandra fairbanks
If they're not giving us an America first Trump policy, I don't care if they lose.
tim pool
Do you see that meme that was, uh, someone took a Bernie Sanders tweet about giving people, and they put Trump on it and Trump supporters liked it.
It's like, maybe these people like these Bernie supporters should look in the mirror and ask themselves, now that their candidate supports the establishment, are they the baddies?
Maybe the Trump supporters agreed with you on a lot of important things about helping American workers and the American people, and you decided that the crony 47-year corrupt guy who was part of the Obama administration and is appointing all the Wall Street lobbyists, you thought he was the right choice?
cassandra fairbanks
I honestly can't believe that we're at a time when the left would vote out somebody who's bringing troops home from war.
This is not the left that I remember.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of baddies.
cassandra fairbanks
I feel really old.
I mean, we were out there protesting Bush and protesting for free speech and now they're like...
I don't know.
tim pool
Nathan B says, Tim, given everything, I honestly think Trump has more information than we do, and we're just waiting for everyone to essentially incriminate themselves.
But they've been saying that over and over again.
This Friday, Trump's going to make a huge announcement.
This is it.
It's been this is it every day.
And admittedly, it's been, it's over every day as well.
So it's like, the left is like, it's over today.
And Trump's, you know, right wing people are like, it's coming tomorrow.
It's like, okay, you know, well, let me know when it's done.
ian crossland
Hey, when you said two-thirds of the states, I think you're thinking of the electors and the governors.
tim pool
I'm thinking of ratifying an amendment to the Constitution.
ian crossland
I think about the people in those states.
tim pool
If you want to ratify an amendment to the Constitution, you need two-thirds of the states.
ian crossland
We just need two-thirds of the population.
tim pool
No, you need two-thirds of states to vote to it.
ian crossland
I mean, screw the people that we think own us, dude.
We own them.
They work for us.
tim pool
In order to amend the Constitution, two-thirds of the states must vote to ratify the amendment.
ian crossland
And what do you need to get someone thrown out?
What do you need for a referendum?
How many people in the state are needed for a governmental referendum?
tim pool
I have no idea.
luke rudkowski
Depends on the state.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Two-thirds?
Less than two-thirds?
tim pool
Some states are actually commonwealth systems.
Some have general assemblies, some have official house of representatives and stuff.
They're all different.
So the states, through their system and how they run, have to decide, we agree with this officially and certify and stamp, and then when two-thirds do, boom, you get an amendment.
ian crossland
But they, the states, those are the people in the states.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
So if you can get those people to agree with you, then we can move.
tim pool
In different states.
Yeah.
And you need two thirds.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And if their government doesn't agree with them, then throw the government out and put somebody in that does.
tim pool
So when you have California, which is two thirds, you know, it's, yeah, it's two thirds Democrat.
You're not going to get them to agree to a conservative amendment.
ian crossland
Then throw them out.
If you've got enough conservative people.
tim pool
You don't.
It's two, it's two thirds Democrat.
ian crossland
Then forget about California.
tim pool
Right, so then when you go through all the states, we have right now 29 Republican and 21 Democrat.
Not enough to change the Constitution.
ian crossland
I don't need Republicans or Democrats, man.
It's not a partisan thing.
tim pool
Yeah, it is.
ian crossland
The Federal Reserve's screwing all of us.
tim pool
It doesn't matter.
You're right, it's not a Democrat-Republican.
They're a uniparty, and they function for each other as the establishment to stay in power.
That's the problem.
MAGA party.
Trump supporters need to form their own party and take after the Republicans.
America First Party.
cassandra fairbanks
America First Party.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Storm Huffman says, I'll watch this later, but I wanted to ask Tim if he has, if he has a locals.com.
There's a Timcast page with no content.
I'd love to see it flourish.
Keep up the great work.
I do not, but we are going to be launching a new website with members only content and you know, like hangout stuff and discord type posting and photos and whatever.
We're going to be working on a vlog.
So that's coming soon.
It's being built right now.
And if you, you know, once it's live, it'll be at TimCast.com and then you can go and hang out and it'll be, you know, exclusive content for members and stuff like that and merchandise and all that fun stuff.
luke rudkowski
There's going to be a great scene of Alex Jones raiding my RV.
tim pool
Yeah, we filmed, uh, we filmed Alex Jones, Luke Rutkowski, Rude Awakening.
They hadn't seen each other in a long time.
luke rudkowski
I was taking a nap and you let the gorilla into my RV.
unidentified
Yes.
luke rudkowski
It was awkward.
It was hilarious.
unidentified
It was weird.
tim pool
It was really funny.
luke rudkowski
We'll be in the vlog.
tim pool
So there's a lot of stuff like that too.
When we have guests come, we usually hang out with people for a little bit and we play games and stuff.
So there's going to be a lot of vlog content that will be behind the scenes for members.
So that's cool.
luke rudkowski
A lot of e-drama.
tim pool
The Civic Nationalist says, Tim, I warned you about your country, about becoming Weimar Germany, and now you are going to have three to five years of lefty attacks, then a rise of right-wing attacks.
It's not too long to rejoin the Commonwealth, God save the Queen.
luke rudkowski
Uh-huh.
lydia smith
Uh-huh.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, let me tell you something really interesting.
I made this point when the alternate electors cast their votes, right?
So these are unofficial as far as anybody in the federal government cares.
What gave the Founding Fathers the authority to declare independence?
Quite literally nothing.
ian crossland
A bunch of guns, the French government.
tim pool
Yes, exactly.
Guns and more guns from the French government.
Yeah.
So it was interesting when I was reading about the signing of the Declaration of Independence, there was one thing I was reading where they made a point that in many of these states, the people in the Continental Congress were appointed or elected in very strange ad hoc ways that did not represent their states.
Like, a lot of these states, they were loyal to the Crown.
So all of a sudden, some dude is like, well, a bunch of people in my town and in various parts have agreed that I should represent them to the Continental Congress, and we're going to declare independence.
And you know what the opinion of the Crown was?
By what authority do you, non-parliamentarians, non-lords, have to assert any legal claim?
At all.
You're not representative.
No such government exists.
They say, we're the representatives of an American nation.
There's no nation.
You have no authority.
Something interesting happened, though.
It was a parliamentary vote.
I forgot what it was called, but it said that American ships were to be considered enemy vessels.
And that's when the Founding Fathers were like, they said it, not us.
They said our vessels are American vessels and enemies, therefore.
So the thing is, if there was no legal authority under the Crown for these individuals to claim their right to declare independence, then if I see a bunch of electors in a state, state legislatures, actual elected representatives, saying, we hereby vote, I'm like, okay, well you can claim they have no authority, but authority is built upon the confidence of the people.
So if something happens and people, like Trump supporters, 74 million, say, these are the real electors because we say so, it's all about what you believe to be true.
It doesn't matter if there's some system and official seal.
If they have an official seal too, I tell you this, if a guy woke up, he came out of a cave, he had been asleep for 700 years, and then two people came up and said, I'm the official government, here's the seal from the Democrats, and someone said, I'm the official government, here's the seal from the Republicans, he's gonna be like, I don't know.
I don't know who is in charge.
cassandra fairbanks
I'm not sure how to word this without getting in trouble.
But I think, I mean, Brett, my boyfriend, actually brought this up, but if people genuinely believe that the election was stolen and the government is rigged and the will of the people no longer matters, I don't know how you are not morally obligated to fight.
And to have, you know, essentially... Ulysses S. Grant said it.
tim pool
That's what I was quoting before.
He says, you know, individuals who feel oppressed by their government have a right to... You're morally obligated, though.
cassandra fairbanks
If you believe, if you're voting, if you're sending separate electors and you're saying that your state's election was rigged and it was stolen from you...
Then how do you just sit down and say, oh, well, better luck, I'll vote harder next time?
You're morally obligated to fight at that point, I believe.
tim pool
You know what would be funny?
You heard how they called the Republican states who did this seditious?
Well, they said 17 Republican states because of the lawsuit.
It's actually more, it was 20.
And then you have 126 Republican members of the House who are supporting the lawsuit and they were called seditious.
It'd be funny if Trump says, because of this sedition from Republican states in these seven states, I'm, you know, like declaring the insurrection act and and and postponing
the inauguration and he uses the Republicans to find some support of him as a certification
for active rebellion for which he can go in and shut everything down
I'm kidding. By the way, it would just be funny if that happened, but
That's why I'm saying at the very least there should be an America First Party or you know a constitutionalist party
cassandra fairbanks
of some sort Or even a broad populist party if we had to I mean, yeah
There's a lot of overlap the unity party what?
unidentified
decentralized party if we had a Tulsi Trump You know that
ian crossland
We got it that you're putting your life and your property on the line. Basically if you really believe it, it's kind
Kind of like saying certain things that violate YouTube's terms of service involving fraud and Donald Trump that could actually get your video pulled.
Like that's your property.
So if you really believe it, your property, you put it on the line, it may be taken away from you.
So it's kind of, I see that.
tim pool
And then he also said, and then you live, you run the risk of living under the rule of your conqueror.
cassandra fairbanks
I think that the recipe for a thing that you'll probably get TOS violations if we mention is
Is having a whole bunch of people with nothing left to lose if you're taking away people's
Homes and their ability to see their families and their jobs and their businesses. What else do they have to lose?
They're going to stand up eventually.
tim pool
This is what I said.
I read the quote from Ulysses S. Grant, and I said, if you're telling people that under an oppressive government they have to risk their life, their property, and their guarantees as a citizen, but then you've taken away their right to life and their right to property, you've made the choice for them already.
That's why we're seeing that town in Washington where they're like, GTFO, we're going to do whatever we want.
What's the government going to do?
Are they going to send in state troopers?
Never going to happen.
luke rudkowski
What's the quote when, I think it goes, when the people who want to be left alone get involved?
How does it continue?
tim pool
I don't know.
luke rudkowski
I'm not familiar.
Sorry.
tim pool
We've got to read more Super Chats though.
ian crossland
Interesting premise.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
Lone Wolf says, for financial reasons I cannot donate again, but even if this is not read, please know that you are dearly appreciated by many of us for your coverage and honesty.
We have serious times to come, and the nation needs you now more than ever.
Thank you.
Don't worry, YouTube will ban me soon.
unidentified
I'm sure.
tim pool
Thank you for your comments.
Daniel Maxwell says, to successfully challenge the Electoral College votes, Congress will need To have presented to them a preponderance of the evidence that supports the contesting of the votes from the contested states.
I believe they probably will.
That's brutal.
Mark in a Box says, in GA, due to the lack of testicular fortitude that GOP has, I'm
not voting.
You are not alone, Cassandra.
McConnell may have just encouraged me to vote Dem.
Registered Republicans voting Dem hurts them more than not voting at all.
Why not?
I'm seeing a lot of accelerationism from Republicans saying, why not?
Because then you'll get more regular people forced into the fight.
That's what people have always been saying.
Shake the system up more and more and more.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Free men die free says the DNC GOP is one big party.
The Libertarian Party is the only authentic second party at this point.
McConnell stabbing you should be your wake up.
Repubs owe Libertarians after Ron Paul being cheated.
Yeah, Ron Paul would have been a way better president than anybody we've had in the past couple decades.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
Libertarian Party is a joke, though.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's very cringy.
tim pool
Wayne's DIY Garage says, regarding Green Deal, I believe Cali wants to outlaw cows because dairy require a lot of H2O that could go to LA.
Articles about methane heating up the atmosphere.
I feel they want to blame the farmer, not the cities.
Without saying they want to take the water.
It'll be really funny when the Green New Deal like something happens and they're like no more farting cows and stuff and then people are like we're hungry and there's no food.
I wouldn't be surprised though.
Ziptie says, Tim is it possible given the uptick in violent clashes breaking out across the country that we have entered the Bleeding Kansas stage?
I don't know.
What is that?
Do you guys know what that is?
unidentified
Nope.
Bleeding Kansas?
ian crossland
That sounds like a Civil War thing.
tim pool
Probably.
You want to Google it?
ian crossland
Bleeding Kansas.
Yeah.
tim pool
Ryan Brown says, stop misleading people about Oath Keepers.
They are not a militia and never have been.
They have current military members.
Correct yourself.
Well, there you go.
It's just Oath Keepers are listed everywhere as a militia.
So I don't know how to describe it.
And as far as I can tell, I've had Oath Keepers actually say that was correct.
So whatever.
ian crossland
The Bleeding Kansas, Bloody Kansas, or Border War was a series of violent civil confrontations in Kansas Territory, United States, between 1854 and 1859.
Oh, my battery died on my camera.
Can you still hear me?
Yeah, we can hear you.
Listen to this!
Yeah, it was early on, 1854 to 1859, and emerged from political ideological debate over the legality of slavery in the proposed state of Kansas.
I'm gonna plug that back in.
tim pool
Son Cormac says, Ian 2024.
No.
It was based on what you said about those states.
It's the battery.
We never, we gotta plug the... Yeah, we unplugged the camera.
lydia smith
Sorry guys.
tim pool
We moved everything.
Ian saying those those that that horrible phrase.
ian crossland
No, it's the right thing.
tim pool
No, no.
Luke Cedar says the answer to political parties becoming corrupt is not more political parties.
The answer should actually be the opposite.
I think we should outlaw state sponsorship of parties, no federal funds, no parties on the ballot.
cassandra fairbanks
I'm not opposed to that.
unidentified
I like that.
tim pool
Sounds like a good idea maybe.
It might be a free speech issue, but you know what?
You can have your political party, you just can't get funding, and it's not going to be
on the ballot for a political party.
I like that.
Then people look at the ballot and they see names.
No parties.
That's a good point.
It's kind of crazy that people look and they say, oh, that's a Democrat?
Check.
Why don't we just get rid of parties off ballots?
That solves a lot of the problem.
unidentified
Yeah, there was a satanic, uh... Yes.
luke rudkowski
Anarchist... Transwoman.
Transwoman that was elected just like that.
tim pool
As a Republican sheriff.
luke rudkowski
As a Republican, because no one even looked into her.
They just saw Republicans.
tim pool
Well, it was a Republican primary.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
In New Hampshire.
ian crossland
I think that works back in, Lydia.
cassandra fairbanks
Okay.
ian crossland
Let me know if you see it.
Who was talking about me in Super Chat?
What'd they say?
tim pool
They said, Ian 2024.
ian crossland
You guys want to do something?
tim pool
Because you made comments about white states.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
They're making a joke.
unidentified
Oh, no.
No.
tim pool
Yep.
Exidy Interactive says, Luke, I preached that.
That is how the nation was designed.
California can be socialist, Texas capitalist.
One defense.
People are allowed to move between.
luke rudkowski
Decentralization.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Evan03Grime says, first time superchatter for Mississippi.
Red states would be the third world country?
We have all the farmland, hunting land, and the gulf coast.
Conservatism is all about independence.
Harumph!
Yes.
You go to a conservative, and he's a guy who lives in the rural area, and he hunts, and he is very isolated from big cities.
He's gonna be like, and?
Like, you're gonna have to fend for yourself and hunt your own food, but yeah, I did that last night.
And?
What am I complaining about?
cassandra fairbanks
My neighbor has like 60 gallons of apple cider.
tim pool
That's amazing.
cassandra fairbanks
I'm like, I'm coming over.
tim pool
We here are almost entirely off the grid.
Almost entirely.
But, even, like, getting internet, satellite, satellite's actually really improving, no joke.
Like, the other day when the internet cut out, we switched to satellite, and it, it sometimes is shaky, but we've actually been able to get, you know, high def streams.
The satellite's 5 megabits up.
Like, kind of the bare minimum to get a good stream out, but, it's totally doable.
Let's see.
Ismail Thompson says, Cassandra is speaking my language.
The creation of the Republic will be the proudest day of my life, probably because I'm Texan.
Well, there you go.
Let's see what else we got here.
Matthew Reckham, thanks for that big ol' super chat, appreciate it.
Archimedes says, so it's okay for CA to tell the country you aren't allowed guns, but Texas can't bring up concerns on the election?
I think they can.
I think they absolutely should.
Yeah, one of the issues is, we have a constitution, right?
So if California says we don't allow guns, then is it incumbent upon the other states to, like, invade California to enforce the constitution?
unidentified
Who?
lydia smith
I don't know.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
Ulysses S. Grant, in that writing, he made a really good point.
He said certain- I'll paraphrase it.
The original 13 colonies could have left at any time.
They had an agreement to come together because of the revolution.
But with the ratification of the Constitution among the 13 colonies, everything changed.
These colonies paid through blood and treasure to get new states into the Union.
So there's almost essentially a debt.
It's a contract.
You want to be in the union?
You want access to our funds and our defense?
We've paid for that with blood and treasure.
So now you can't leave.
If we have a contract between all these different states about their agreement to enter, and the resources we paid to get them in, And they say, but you know that founding document contract I agreed to to join?
I'm gonna give it a big ol' middle finger.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
Then we say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We have an agreement.
You came into this country as a state.
You can't now disregard the agreement that we have because we paid for this.
It would be like breaking a contract.
I say, I want to, uh, you know, work with you, Ian, and then you say, okay, I'll pay you a thousand bucks up front to work with my- for my company, and then I go, you know what?
Actually, I'm not gonna abide by the rules of our actual contract.
I'm gonna do my own thing.
You're gonna be like, dude, I paid you.
You can't do that.
Later, I'm leaving.
No, you can't leave.
Give me my money.
You owe me.
So I think if these states want to break the rules, but we had to pay, I'd defer to Ulysses S. Grant, and we should enforce the Constitution somehow.
lydia smith
That's a thought.
tim pool
Yep.
I mean, we kind of do, right?
The Supreme Court will say you're in violation of the First Amendment, and then marshals or whatever, you know, happen to go in.
But you look at what Cuomo is doing right now.
He bans churches.
What happens?
Supreme Court says you can't do it.
He goes, fine, whatever.
I'll do a new executive order and do it anyway.
You look at Gretchen Whitmer.
Michigan said you can't do these things.
He goes, well, I can do it anyway, and I'll use a different law if I have to.
Just like, if you're told you can't do something, you can't just look at a different piece of paper and be like, that says I can do it now.
It's like, no, it was already ruled against you.
You could have a joint defense pact, saying if we get an attack, we'll work together.
That's it.
Who owns, uh, who own and runs the military? If we divide, then I feel it will weaken the
country as a whole and make us vulnerable to other countries taking over our country.
unidentified
Then we lose anyways. You could have a joint defense pact saying if we get an attack,
tim pool
we'll work together. That's it. But then who's, who's, who's the commander for the military?
Um, for like, who's, who's in charge of the military?
luke rudkowski
You switch roles.
Every four years, it's one particular state.
tim pool
The next four years, it's another one.
luke rudkowski
No, it won't work.
tim pool
Because if you have two different countries, two different interests, and then there's a battle over water rights, whoever's in charge of the military is gonna oppress the one who doesn't have access.
luke rudkowski
Well, each state would have their own military, and each state would have their own kind of national guard, so... It'd be the same as how we handle Canada.
Yeah.
cassandra fairbanks
Like, if North America was getting attacked, we would work with Canada, and we would defend North America.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
cassandra fairbanks
Same thing.
tim pool
But what happens if, you know, Canada starts encroaching on American territory?
Like, it doesn't really happen, but... Yeah, but between the states, it's different.
cassandra fairbanks
Then we point and make fun of Trudeau's socks.
tim pool
Like, so listen... And cry and run away.
If there was a peaceful divorce, there are some businesses and properties that cross state lines.
You know, people who might own property like on one plot and then another plot in a different state or something, or bodies of water.
What happens if someone in Mississippi is like, they're polluting our water in the other country?
Whoever has the military then will enforce it.
And if you don't, they're going to be like, we don't care.
It's our water, not yours.
Screw off.
Ascendant Media says we need to establish a regional level of governance between state and federal.
I was thinking about that for a long time, you know?
Like, what if we had another level of government?
Like, Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, Northwest, Southwest.
And then they had, like, regional... The reason I was thinking about that is because we're supposed to have, like, 30,000 to 50,000 people per congressman.
Instead, we have 750,000.
Because they're like, we just can't keep making it bigger, I guess, but population is expanding.
Okay.
What if we created another level?
Regional governance.
Maybe not an answer.
I don't know.
Maybe more government isn't the solution.
ian crossland
I think that having like nine Supreme Court judges ruling over the entire thing is not, it's too few people for the amount of people they're trying to represent.
cassandra fairbanks
Oh, that's an argument for packing the courts, and if that happens, then we are definitely going to end up seeing this.
tim pool
The reason why we shouldn't change Supreme Court is because it would turn justices into essentially popular elected officials again, like any other position, but they would just have more power than a senator, so it makes no sense.
Limiting the number and having it be based on who the president is and the Senate is a check on how someone gets into the Supreme Court.
ian crossland
But why would like a northeastern court judge get to decide what happens in the southwest?
tim pool
What do you mean they wouldn't?
ian crossland
Yeah, like the judges, they preside over the entire country.
tim pool
The circuits.
ian crossland
In the southwest.
tim pool
The Supreme Court is all of the justices from all the different circuits coming together and then agreeing or disagreeing.
ian crossland
But it's only like nine people.
tim pool
Right, because we have 13 circuits, but two are like, you know, it's like D.C.
and then like the federal jurisdiction of some sort.
ian crossland
But these circuits don't like appoint a judge.
tim pool
The president picks a random person that... And the president has to have the Senate behind him.
So if the Senate does not agree with the president, then nothing changes in the Supreme Court.
And we've actually had periods where we had like five Supreme Court justices because of the dispute between senators and the president.
Only when the president and the Senate align do you get new justices.
Or, if the Democrats want to change the rules.
ian crossland
How do the judges, like, relate to the circuit?
Of the 13 circuits.
tim pool
The circuits are different regions, right?
So, like, uh, what's the first circuit?
Like, Maine, I think?
So, that judge is the emergency appellate judge for that area.
ian crossland
So he has to pick someone from that area to be that circuit?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Yeah, he can pick anyone from, someone from Texas and then make them the Maine judge?
tim pool
Well, they get their assignments.
From who?
I don't know.
I think the Supreme Court, they come together and they decide their assignments for where they go.
It might be presidential assignment.
I'm not sure.
But right now, I think the justices basically are in charge of the circuits where they were federal judges.
So, I guess, theoretically, you could take a ran- You could appoint anybody to the Supreme Court.
Like, that's why they said, make, you know, uh, uh, Joe Biden should choose, uh, or, you know, Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton would choose Obama if she- if- if she won or whatever.
Because you could pick anybody.
The point of the nomination process is that the President decides who should be a judge, and the Supreme Court- I'm sorry, the, uh, Senate confirms to make sure it's not some, like, random dude who's like, you know, like a bus driver or something who has no idea what he's doing.
But there has to be that alignment, you know?
L. Jaysus says, I don't think the gold standard is enough, but we have other medals to back the dollar with.
JFK tried to back the dollar with silver in his day.
Interesting.
He is, uh, he was, you know, not alive after a certain point.
luke rudkowski
The silverbacks, I still remember them.
Some $5 bills actually still have that on them.
tim pool
But that's from way back in the day.
The silver certificates?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, that was before we got out of the gold standard.
luke rudkowski
But then there was also, yeah, special JFK, I think, $5 notes as well.
tim pool
Interesting.
Green Third Eye says, in my opinion, Assange and Snowden both should rot in Gitmo.
There isn't one law-abiding citizen that has benefited from the information they leaked.
Putin and Xi Jinping, however, have benefited immensely.
cassandra fairbanks
Wow, you have some idiotic super chatters.
What absolute morons.
tim pool
Julian Assange didn't break any laws.
So why should he go to prison?
cassandra fairbanks
And there's been plenty of Americans who benefited, including President Donald Trump.
tim pool
Oh, absolutely.
Trump won partly because of this.
And also the family of the people who were killed in collateral murder, for instance.
cassandra fairbanks
And all the Americans who had a chance to see how the political process actually works.
Those Bernie bros that got screwed.
I'm sure that they appreciated it.
ian crossland
Hillary's emails, wasn't that all Wikileaks?
tim pool
Yeah, the DNC leaks, the DCCC.
No, no, no.
DCCC wasn't Wikileaks, was it?
It was Guccifer.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Jason Schmitt says, Read, read, 50 bucks in response to Divorce of the Nation.
All of his work has been scrubbed from most of the mainstream podcasts, but John, Mark, Kurt, Doolittle have given ideas on how to successfully disentangle the nation.
Please get the word out.
Well, I don't know about all that, but I'll read you Super Chat.
Paul Sem says, Cassandra is one of the coolest guests you guys have on your show.
She is chill and she is so passionate with what she believes.
She's a fun follow on Twitter as well because of the fights she picks.
Yes, that's true.
luke rudkowski
You pick a lot of fights.
unidentified
I do.
cassandra fairbanks
It's what Twitter is for.
It makes it so fun.
tim pool
Thomas Prendergast says, Hey Tim, I think you're looking at the divorce in an incorrect way.
Stop thinking on red state, blue state, and start thinking about urban vs. rural.
Allow them to create a democratic alliance of city-states, and we keep our republic.
But then those city-states would just collapse overnight because they have no resources.
cassandra fairbanks
I think it's funny that- Then we could have the Hunger Games and let one of them out per year.
I'm a little demented.
tim pool
The bridges have all been shut off!
ian crossland
You mentioned creating, like, new rural land, and I thought of the word sub-rural.
Like, we have suburban, you know, these like... Sub-rural?
Yeah, sub-rural areas.
cassandra fairbanks
No, they all need to stay out of the rural areas.
You city dwellers, stay.
tim pool
City folk.
Tyler Mills says, I used to be a neocon prior to Assange.
Collateral Murder was the video that red-pilled me on the political realm.
That combined with Ron Paul's farewell speech to Congress.
Ron Paul was legit- is legit.
And Rand Paul, I like him too.
Abe says, why would the- whoop, it just jumped on me.
How you gonna play me like that, YouTube?
Ryu Kirito says, I like how Tim Pool sounds at the character Edgar, farmer, skin suit alien, and men in black when imitating Mitch McConnell.
That's kind of the point.
unidentified
SUGAR WATER!
tim pool
Also, Cas should check out Viva Frey's livestream on Sunday with Robert Barnes.
I think she'd like it.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, we'll make a note.
tim pool
Let's see.
Layla Zero says you should look up the quote of Benjamin Gates, Nicolas Cage, and National Treasure reading the portion of the Declaration of Independence.
It states man's right and responsibility to stand against tyranny.
National Treasure is a fun movie.
The chief has spoken, says collateral murder is a crap story.
That was my unit on the ground.
Media used a story from one dishonorable soldier, McCord, who has been discredited by all other soldiers there.
Media only pushed one story and hid all the others.
I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed one story and hid all the others.
But, uh, I mean there's a video of them killing a bunch of people.
Is it, you know?
SnoopsNet says, Tim, the difference between free speech and flying, the ISIS and BLM flags, is the groups those flags have come to represent imply the threat of violence against those around them.
It's not free speech, it's territory marking.
cassandra fairbanks
I agree.
I think it's like gang signs.
Honestly, I am the most pro-free speech person generally, but I see them as actual threats.
Those flags represent you wanting to take away my right to free speech and my safety and the safety of the community that it's in.
tim pool
They say the same thing about the American flag and about the original 13 Colony flag and the Gadsden flag.
So then maybe there's conflict coming because nobody agrees.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
And I am down.
I can't even say what I actually think because I will be censored off of all of social media.
tim pool
Then I think people can assume what you really mean.
cassandra fairbanks
I think that they can assume, yeah.
tim pool
I think we want to live in peace, and we want to be able to take care of our families, but I think the easiest way to put it is, you know, I've been reading about the American Revolution, I've been reading about the Civil War, and I love that quote from the movie The Patriot with Mel Gibson, where he's, I think they're in South Carolina, and they vote to go to war.
And he says, mark my words, this will not be fought on some faraway battlefield.
It'll be fought in our homes, in our towns.
Our children will learn of it with their own eyes.
And I'm like, that's what a lot of people don't realize.
So, I say that to Antifa.
Because you know what, Joe Rogan, there's a quote from Joe Rogan, it's brilliant.
He says, how many veterans do we have in this country?
Like millions?
These are guys who actually know what war is like and know what's gonna happen.
And these are the people who are saying, No, you don't want this.
ian crossland
Plus, dude, they'll be like strapping bombs to drones and flying them through your bedroom window.
It's just terror.
You do not want that.
tim pool
Yeah, the level of technology at this point is going to be nightmarish.
But Brogan made a really interesting point that these far leftists like Antifa are smashing away at the floodgates, trying to break them down.
And the dudes on the other side, the veterans, the survivalists, the people who actually know what conflict is like and know how to survive, they're waiting, and you do not want that floodgate pouring out.
cassandra fairbanks
If we had a peaceful divorce right now, that would be the best resolution, but I don't think that's going to happen, and I don't think that we can coexist with people who we find morally reprehensible.
I find the left morally disgusting and reprehensible, and they find me morally disgusting and reprehensible.
I don't know how you have a cohesive union that way.
tim pool
So instead of fighting, peaceful divorce.
luke rudkowski
That's what I've been saying from the very beginning.
And I have to say I covered some conflict in my day and every time I do it, everyone involved regrets it.
tim pool
Everyone.
I mean, I'm not advocating for people not to vote in Georgia.
I am just saying that I don't care.
about packing the court. If Dems have president, Senate, and House, the courts will be packed."
cassandra fairbanks
Yep. And I'm not advocating for people not to vote in Georgia. I am just saying that I don't care.
tim pool
Well, so my thing is like, did you think the Supreme Court was going to back Trump
and his legal challenges? Well, then why do you care? I thought that they would actually.
cassandra fairbanks
I was surprised.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, it was because even if they didn't, when it came to Texas, the question was whether
or not they believe that they are obligated to take up the suits on original jurisdiction
between states.
Right.
And the three Trump appointees were the, were what we need to know.
Alito and Thomas agreed we must, the Supreme Court must take these cases.
But it was Gorsuch, Gorsuch, how do you pronounce it, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett,
we didn't know how they'd rule.
And they all said, Nope, we have no obligation to take this case.
cassandra fairbanks
That's what happens when Trump takes- well, Trump took advice from neocons and snakes and rhinos the whole entire time, and he appointed people like Bolton, he appointed people like Maddox.
What do you guys think of Bannon?
And then we're supposed to be surprised that the people that he got lifetime appointments on the Supreme Court are
not gonna have his back Back, I mean, yep. Did you guys like Steve Bannon? Yeah, I
unidentified
Don't really have an opinion I think he's alright.
cassandra fairbanks
I like him a lot better than Pompeo or Bolton.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bolton was like, laughably bad.
unidentified
Like, wow.
cassandra fairbanks
People kept saying I was anti-Trump because I was like, no, Mattis and Bolton and Gina Haspel and all these people are very bad.
tim pool
Look at how they used to cheer for Bill Barr and now they hate Bill Barr.
Trump is always right, to his most fervent supporters.
And then anybody who dares oppose him is wrong.
They're good, you know.
And Trump's the same thing, too.
He'll be like, he's a great guy.
I love him.
He's the best.
We're bringing him on.
And then the month later when he fires him, he's just terrible.
He was the worst.
Everybody agrees.
Well, Trump should have fired more people, that's for sure.
Theron Nett says, Tim, in the Fallout universe, the U.S.
created another level of government between the states and federal government called commonwealths and split the U.S.
into 13 commonwealths.
Interesting.
Maybe voting is not the answer.
Maybe being responsible for yourself.
Maybe taking charge of your own existence and not looking for government to intervene in every little way.
support, whatever, vote for not these people I guess man.
luke rudkowski
Maybe voting is not the answer, maybe being responsible for yourself, maybe taking charge
of your own existence and not looking for government to intervene in every little way,
maybe that will be the way that we can move forward from this in a peaceful resolution
without demanding or pushing a gun on anyone.
tim pool
Imagine if.
You know, where's Mitch McConnell?
Is he Kentucky?
Tennessee?
Kentucky?
ian crossland
Kentucky, yeah.
tim pool
Okay, imagine if the people who were there were like, why would we vote for Mitch McConnell?
And they voted for a different Republican.
A Republican who actually supported the President.
And right now, instead of saying, you know, don't support the President, even symbolically, you got somebody who's like, I think you should at least give Donald Trump your strong recommendation and fight for him, even if it means we go down fighting.
Imagine if that's someone they voted for, instead they vote for the turtle guy.
ian crossland
You know what?
tim pool
It's because people walk in and they go, um, R or D?
Definitely R. Who's the R?
Like, like you brought up that the trans Satanist anarchist won the Republican primary because they didn't think twice.
They're just like Republican.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and they wanted to recall their election because of that.
tim pool
Maybe we just take political parties off the ballots.
ian crossland
I was just thinking that.
tim pool
You can be in a political party, you can fundraise for your political party, you can do all that normal stuff, but on the ballot no one can see D or R. Just a bunch of names.
Just a bunch of names.
luke rudkowski
Or an intelligence test before voting.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I don't agree with that.
luke rudkowski
I'm joking.
tim pool
I think people are allowed to be dumb.
luke rudkowski
I'm being satirical.
cassandra fairbanks
No, they're allowed to be dumb, but they should not necessarily be allowed to vote if they're dumb.
Back in ancient Greece and Rome, I believe it was, they discussed how voting was a very serious responsibility and that it takes years and years to prepare to be able to vote.
And then we're just like, here, you want to vote, child?
tim pool
You're 18, kid!
Take it away!
Now they want 16-year-olds to vote?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Low-information voters are the lifeblood of the Democratic Party.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Hands down.
Anyway.
cassandra fairbanks
Can't even drink alcohol yet, but here you go.
Decide the fate of our country.
tim pool
Yeah.
Or die for it.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
My friends, smash that like button, hit the notification bell.
We do the show live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m., about ready to wind things down.
But, Cassandra, do you want to mention your social media or anything?
cassandra fairbanks
Um, yeah, I'm on Twitter at Cassandra Rules.
I'm on Parler at Cassandra.
The Cassandra Rules one's not me.
And I write for Gateway Pundit.
tim pool
Right on.
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luke rudkowski
Oh, I'm sorry, you were saying something?
I was just admiring my official We Are Change merchandise, which you could get on teesprings.com forward slash stores forward slash We Are Change, since I also run the official We Are Change YouTube channel, which you could follow me on there as well.
tim pool
Right on.
Ian's chillin'.
ian crossland
Speaking of the We Are Change teespring, I just ordered the Joe Biden socks.
luke rudkowski
Yes, we also have bikinis.
ian crossland
Oh, I hear it, I hear it.
I did not order bikinis.
luke rudkowski
We have Joe Biden groping bikinis.
unidentified
They're a good seller.
luke rudkowski
And Biden sniffing your feet sucks.
ian crossland
I'm really excited about wearing those, actually.
Hey, follow me on Instagram, Twitter, basically every social media network.
Hit me up on Twitter if you'd like to, at Ian Crossland.
tim pool
And of course, you can follow at Sour Patch Lids, who's been pressing all of the buttons.
lydia smith
You can, I've been pressing all the buttons.
Sour Patch Lids, L-Y-D-S.
tim pool
We will be back tomorrow at 8 p.m.
It's gonna be a whole lot of fun.
So, everyone, thanks for hanging out.
Again, smash that like button on your way out, and we will see you all next time.
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