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Timcast IRL - Barr Says NO EVIDENCE Of Widespread Fraud But Basically Confirms Fraud w/ Ben Domenech
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tim pool
Finally, Bill Barr has done something.
Trump supporters have been screaming, demanding the DOJ do something about all of this evidence of voter fraud that's been emerging, especially evidence like from the Voter Integrity Project, which shows, well, widespread voter fraud.
I wouldn't say it definitively proves it, but it certainly raises a bunch of really interesting questions.
Well, the good news for all of you who have been waiting for this, Bill Barr says, There's no evidence of fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election.
But wait, what does that really mean?
No evidence of fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election?
He basically said there's evidence of fraud.
You see, over time, it started with the media saying there's no evidence of fraud, no evidence of widespread fraud, then unproven claims of fraud, and now unproven conspiracies because over time we're getting more and more evidence.
It's actually coming from some fairly prominent people.
I'm not saying that means Donald Trump lost because of fraud.
In fact, if Bill Barr comes out and says he's reviewed this and doesn't see the evidence, maybe Bill Barr's just right.
Or maybe Bill Barr is secretly working for the deep state.
I don't know.
But we'll read the story and we'll figure out what's going on.
But we also have other news involving Bill Barr.
He appointed Durham to be special counsel, meaning he's not going anywhere.
We got a bunch of other stories we're going to talk about pertaining to, you know, we got Project Veritas, putting out this CNN audio.
It's really interesting.
We got the story about Elliot Page and the public transition announcing that he is now trans.
We'll talk about that stuff, too.
And of course, we got, you know, Ian Crosland.
ian crossland
Hello, everyone.
Hi, Ian.
tim pool
Thank you, Tim.
Yes, of course, Lydia is producing.
lydia smith
I am over here in the corner.
tim pool
And joining us today is Ben Dominich.
lydia smith
Yes.
ben domenech
Good to be with you.
I'm happy to be here.
tim pool
Real quick, who are you?
ben domenech
I'm the publisher of The Federalist, and I write a daily newsletter called The Transom, which people can find, obviously, at thefederalist.com and thetransom.com.
And I host primarily our podcast, The Federalist Radio Hour, though I've been a little bit off lately because we had our first kid.
Yes!
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Congratulations.
ben domenech
Thank you.
unidentified
Cool.
ben domenech
Thank you.
tim pool
Well then, how about we talk about some news?
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But the first story, check this out, from the AP.
Disputing Trump.
Barr says no widespread election fraud, but I'm not gonna waste words with their opinion.
I'll give you his exact quote.
Barr told the AP that U.S.
attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they've received, but, quote, to date, We have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election.
The comments, which drew immediate criticism from Trump attorneys, were especially notable coming from Barr, who has been one of the president's most ardent allies.
Before the election, he had repeatedly raised the notion that mail-in voting could be especially vulnerable to fraud during the coronavirus pandemic, as Americans feared going to polls and instead chose to vote by mail.
More to Trump's liking, Barr revealed in an AP interview that in October he had appointed U.S.
Attorney John Durham as a special counsel, giving the prosecutor the authority to continue to investigate the origins of the Trump-Russia probe after Biden takes over, and making it difficult to fire him.
Biden hasn't said what he might do with the investigation, but his transition team didn't
comment on Tuesday. So let's just start talking about what's going on with, you know,
Bill Barr's statements. I don't know if you've been following a lot of the voter fraud stuff, Ben.
ben domenech
I have, absolutely.
tim pool
Well, first, let me just, then just, what are your thoughts on the whole thing?
ben domenech
Well, I think that the big problem here is that we have a system that really is not designed
to be able to quickly prove voter fraud on the scale that may have happened in this case.
The DOJ is really built to make cases, to investigate situations, to bring a case eventually to court.
That can take years.
And I think that the real problem is that we're discovering that in a situation like this one where they rushed all of these changes.
Many of which I think may turn out in the in eventually to be considered unconstitutional on the state level, as your guest Sean Parnell was bringing up.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
The other day, he's the plaintiff suing.
ben domenech
Yes, exactly.
Which I think is a very serious question.
The real problem is, what if the fraud is hiding in plain sight?
And I know that during the Russia hoax, you would always hear that from, you know, Adam Schiff and people like that.
Oh, you know, the collusion is higher.
It's hiding in plain sight.
You know, it's right there.
It's right in front of you.
What if instead the actual fraud is something as basic as Mark Zuckerberg spending hundreds of millions of dollars to have voter boxes put all over the United States in ways that may turn out to be targeted to specific areas in, you know, things that could turn out to be in-kind contributions to Democrats as opposed to non-profit.
tim pool
Or Wisconsin, they were doing democracy in the park events.
ben domenech
Yes.
tim pool
Bringing people out, telling them to vote, telling them who to vote for, things like that.
ben domenech
And it's it's a situation where, I mean, you know, our own reporter, John Davidson, who, you know, does a lot of this stuff on the ground for us, has been detailing the situations in Native American communities where you literally had illegal raffles and things like that going on to incentivize people to vote, which is stuff that, you know, it's just basic law, like you can't pay someone to vote or not vote.
You know, and and to me, all of that adds up to a situation where there really is rampant You know, fraud, weirdness, lots of questions.
But I don't think we have the capacity in the DOJ to turn something around that quickly in a way that would satisfy Americans.
And that to me is that's a big unanswered question.
tim pool
That's it.
I completely agree.
And I mentioned this.
One of the biggest problems we have is what we get two weeks to do this full scale nationwide investigation of one hundred and fifty million votes.
That's impossible.
But we have more and more evidence stacking up now to clarify what Barr has said.
They're saying he's saying no evidence of widespread fraud.
In fact, I've titled this stream, No Evidence of Widespread Fraud.
What he said was, to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election.
We could break that down.
It could mean several things.
He could be saying, as of right now, we have seen fraud.
We haven't seen enough.
Does it mean he's done investigating?
No it doesn't.
But of course the headline from every mainstream outlet is going to be,
no evidence of widespread fraud.
I default in that direction as well, but it's really hard to like,
cram a title in, you know, on YouTube.
So I have to do, I do what I can, I'm basing it off the article.
It could theoretically mean, we've seen fraud.
We haven't seen enough.
Yet.
He did say to date, right?
ian crossland
I'm thinking about James Clapper.
I just keep thinking about James Clapper testifying to Congress.
tim pool
Lying?
ian crossland
Yeah.
We did not wittingly spy on the American people when they did wittingly spy.
And under oath, perjury to Congress.
tim pool
No repercussions.
ian crossland
None.
So it makes me think they're all capable of lying.
ben domenech
Well, of course they are.
I mean, John Brennan is someone who didn't just spy on the American people.
He spied on Congress.
ian crossland
Just for people who don't know.
tim pool
Bill Barr is the attorney general.
And then Clapper, he was a former CIA?
NSA.
ian crossland
Brennan is CIA.
tim pool
Yes, OK, there we go.
Just want to make sure, but continue.
ben domenech
But the thing that I think we need to keep in mind here is effectively what Barr is saying is he can't answer that question.
He doesn't actually have the capability to find that in such a short amount of time.
At the same time, I think that he is really engaged here in a bit of setting expectations, which is we all know that this mail-in balloting thing was something that a lot of folks, mostly on the left, have been pushing for for a long time.
It's not going away.
They're going to keep it in the midterms.
They're going to try to keep it for the next presidential.
And to me, at a certain point, the attitude of people who want to see the Trump agenda furthered, who supported him this time around, who are furious at this result, has to be, we can't let this happen again.
Because otherwise it will.
And it's in the incentives of a lot of these politicians to make sure that it does, so that they don't have some reversal of fortune in the midterms, as they all expect they will.
tim pool
So this is the most important thing coming out of all of this.
If maybe Trump doesn't win, right?
I know the Trump supporters are saying, we're going to win.
We got to fight.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Look, I I've, I've been saying over and over again, that in my opinion, it was always extremely likely once they called it for Biden, it's going to be Biden, but Trump should keep fighting no matter what, because we have seen historic anomalies, this like the Georgia where they found all these votes.
And there's a possibility Trump could figure out a legal path to victory through legal challenges and through the electoral college.
But.
Outside of all of that, let's say the worst case scenario for the Trump supporters is that it's done.
Trump loses, Joe Biden's president.
This fight that Trump has led will push us towards more secure voting, at the very least.
And it could also mean no mail-in voting.
The fight coming from people like Mike Kelly, I think Mike Kelly's the name, and Sean Parnell could result in more secure elections, no universal mail-in voting.
And I hear from all these leftists and Democrats saying, but universal mail-in voting is so easy and so popular, even Republicans love it.
And I'm like, yes, it is easy.
I completely agree.
And easy doesn't mean secure.
In fact, the more you remove security, the easier things get, but then the more likely you're going to see fraud or impropriety.
And we want secure elections.
We want to be able to audit them properly.
We want observers.
I think at the very end of this, the worst case scenario is we're going to have grounds based on the things they find or have already found.
To say no to a lot of this no-excuse mail-in voting and demand more secure elections and things like voter ID, for instance.
ben domenech
I think that that is a hopeful image and I hope that that is something that comes forward because I'm concerned about the trust level that's going to exist among the American people.
We've seen the total degradation of faith in every institution of American life.
Basically, people trust the military and small business and that's it, if you look at all the polls.
And so at the end of the day, this is going to be one more aspect that people will have a lack of trust for, given the closeness of proximity of the Electoral College and the fact that we're probably going to see something like this play out again in two years or four years and without major changes.
tim pool
You know, what's really crazy about the whole thing, though, is that if so, the Pennsylvania state legislature said we don't have enough time to pass a joint resolution calling the election a dispute.
They could have.
That's freaky to me that we could have a whole federal election.
Let's look at it this way.
Let's say 2024.
I can't imagine Joe Biden running for re-election.
I just, I don't see it.
So maybe it's, you know, Kamala Harris now.
She's going to run for president, you know, going from vice president to president or whatever.
I'm saying hypothetically.
She's running against, I don't know, who do you, who do you think would run in 2024 for the Republican?
ben domenech
A lot of people will, but let's just say for the argument, just because he's known and a known commodity.
tim pool
Kanye West.
ben domenech
Ted Cruz.
Let's just say Ted Cruz because he came in second effectively last time.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
So we got Ted Cruz, Kamala Harris, comes down to the Electoral College.
Ted Cruz is up.
He's projected to win.
And then a swing state with a Democratic legislature says, we're going to appoint our electors.
We're going to dispute it.
Pulling his votes away or something like that.
That could happen now.
And that, to me, is kind of nuts that Trump needed three states.
He needs three states.
It can still happen to effectively challenge the result of the election.
It might actually happen.
I mean, we just had this hearing in, what was it, Michigan today.
Where this is the first time, I think, of these hearings they've done.
It was actually in a state house.
It was actually in an official building.
They were doing these hotels before, right?
So they had the first evidentiary hearing with the Republican state legislature in Pennsylvania, I think it was, right?
In Gettysburg, right?
And when I questioned why they're doing it in a hotel, a ton of people were saying, oh, it's Gettysburg.
It's the second, you know, Gettysburg address or whatever.
And I'm just like, I don't know.
I kind of feel like they're just, you know, placating people.
You know, like, oh yeah, we're going to do a hearing.
It's going to be a hotel.
When they did it in Arizona to Hyatt, I said, that makes no sense.
Okay.
There's no, there's no the Hyatt speech.
There's no, you know, the Phoenix address or whatever, but now they're in Michigan.
They actually had a legit hearing and there was some, I mean, it's, it's the stories that are coming out of this stuff are insane.
People saying they're being harassed, chased out.
They're not allowed to observe at all in all these places.
Weird stories about trucks pulling up in the middle of the night, you know, pulling out boxes of ballots and things like that, claiming we're not counting, but then they add vote counts later on clearly something weird is going on.
And that's, that's not even the half of it.
ben domenech
And what I really want to say to everybody who has been arguing with their friends about fraud in this election, where people might be citing CNN to them saying, oh, there is no fraud.
There's fraud in every American election.
It always happens.
And it's typically on a low level and very pedestrian in nature.
It's literally a box that appears or disappears.
You know, it's something that it doesn't take a convoluted machine to make it work.
I mean, the machine that ran In New Orleans all the way up until Katrina was totally like that.
It was organic.
Everyone knew what they had to do.
It didn't require any kind of coordination or meetings.
Katrina smashes that whole population.
It spreads out and suddenly Republicans start winning elections.
And that's something that I think speaks to the organic, built into the society nature
of these things of a place like Philly.
And again, I still think this is a situation where this was effectively lost for Donald
Trump when Republican lawyers didn't get their act together ahead of time, months ago, and
start fighting and disputing these things more effectively within these different systems.
They were getting shut down by the courts, but they needed to put more effort into it because I think that the the moment that those rules were locked in they were facing a circumstance where if he lost the state it would be almost impossible to prove enough.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
You know what I've been saying?
I said Trump got oceans elevened.
The real heist happened months ago.
In October of 2019, in Pennsylvania, the Republicans passed Act 77, which other Republicans are now suing, calling it unconstitutional.
Why did they pass no-excuse mail-in voting before COVID happened?
They knew mail-in voting was always their path to to essentially cheating the election.
And the reason I say cheating is that changing the rules the 11th hour to benefit one side because you know it's what you need is, it's cheating.
So they say COVID is the excuse.
When I talk about people say, well, people were scared of COVID, they needed an option.
No, no, no, because they were already passing these bills, you know, in other places.
And then when you talk about the anomalies, for instance, they say, and I'm kind of sidetracking here, they say the anomalies are easily explained because the Republicans stopped them from counting ballots until election night, which was not true for some states.
There's just those weird anomalous spikes.
But anyway, going back to the oceans, getting oceans elevened, they pass all of these rule changes Where I had been making video after video saying, this is how they're going to cheat.
Republicans are going to show up on election day like they normally do, and they're going to follow the rules.
And Democrats have every opportunity now to hold democracy in the park events, to do, you know what, raffles.
You were mentioning illegal raffles.
There's accusations of ballot harvesting now.
We've got Minnesota and in, what was the other one?
Texas?
The Veritas one?
ben domenech
Yeah, I believe.
I haven't been able to follow.
Veritas has been putting out so many things that I'm a little behind my Veritas consumption, I have to admit.
But congrats to them.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
So that we have, you know, these videos showing people are doing ballot harvesting.
We had on Jeremy from The Quartering, and he said that at his house, Like Democrats showed up and were like, have you voted?
Do you have your absentee ballots?
And they received them, but he never requested one.
So there's a lot of weird things there, but there's, I think, I think one of the simple things is maybe this is fraud.
Maybe they were requesting ballots for people and then showing up and telling them to vote.
Or maybe they gave themselves a month plus to go, to go around telling people, did you vote yet?
Did you vote?
Why don't you vote?
Did you vote?
We saw in one of the videos from Veritas, a woman saying, she was like, Hey, come out and have free drinks with me.
Did you vote?
And so they're like, okay, fine.
They fill it out.
There you go.
Here, take my vote.
Now give me the beer.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That kind of ballot harvesting.
That was the trick because guess what?
That's a real vote.
ben domenech
Yes.
tim pool
Now there is freaky stuff like Matt Brainerd for the Voter Integrity Project says, here's 20 plus thousand people who changed their addresses and then voted twice.
That's like, okay, we kind of got evidence of widespread fraud going on.
Maybe, maybe it wasn't enough to change the results or maybe, you know, Bill Barr looked at it and then said, uh, this is not legit.
I don't know.
ben domenech
Yeah, I think that that's impossible to know, and I think we'll be poring over this for a long time, but I do think that we're now in territory where one side definitely thinks that they got jobbed, and the other side definitely thinks that they won, but they have this sour taste in their mouth because of how unwilling the other side is to accept it and because of the performance of Republicans generally.
So that sets up a very strife-filled political scenario where Joe Biden is absolutely not going to unify anybody.
tim pool
No, it's going to be... Joe Biden is the worst possible thing to have happened to this country, especially right now.
But I'll tell you, first and foremost, I'm sorry if I can't believe Joe Biden won fair and square.
You know why?
Trump wins.
The Republicans win down ballot.
They reclaim many House seats.
They lost none.
They gained many.
They didn't take the majority.
They defended the Senate.
They won every state race.
So it looked like Trump was on the ticket.
Then Joe Biden, who didn't campaign.
I mean, he literally campaigned, but you know what I mean, like, come on.
He's in the basement at the time, he's calling lids every day.
He was not having big events or any rallies.
Somehow beat Barack Obama's 2008 ground-shattering, you know, 69 million votes.
Joe Biden didn't campaign and beat Trump.
The argument I hear is people hate Trump that much, that they voted against him.
I don't I don't think so.
ben domenech
Biden also, I mean, they also outspent him and out manipulated him in ways that we can't leave out of this.
The in-kind donation from big tech.
tim pool
Oh, absolutely.
ben domenech
Absolutely.
I mean, I don't even know how you could estimate it.
Yeah.
The amount of money that they spent, obviously they spent almost twice as much money just from the campaign
organizations, etc.
Yeah.
And so I think this is a situation where money did talk this time around and also that the the warping influence
that we've had on narrative from an entire corporate Democrat media establishment designed to take down Trump
focused on, you know, telling the entire country that he's this racist, horrible person who has to be destroyed for
the sake of humanity.
for year upon year upon year.
And they end up with a situation where, you know, he wins more votes than Barack Obama actually did.
And, you know, wins, you know, more votes than, you know, any Republican.
And it's it's this.
tim pool
I know.
ben domenech
I mean, it's kind of amazing.
tim pool
I know too many Democrats who switched parties.
You know, coming out of Chicago, there are people I've known my whole life who have always been Democrat kind of passively, now hardcore Trump supporters.
And so I see things like that.
That's obviously anecdotal.
Doesn't mean, you know, that's my personal friend and family bubble.
But I look at the New York Times reporting.
I look at Moody's analytics, all of these things and indicating a Trump victory, nothing indicating a Trump defeat, albeit when COVID hit, it shifted a lot of the economic forecasts.
But it's still crazy to see all the polls were wrong off by like seven percent, four to seven percent.
ben domenech
No, no.
I want to stop you there because I think we keep saying the polls were wrong.
tim pool
The pollsters lied.
ben domenech
Some polls were wrong.
Some polls were propaganda.
Right, right, right.
Okay, we have to keep in mind, media polls are frequently, they are propaganda, or they are intended to be the basis for a story, a narrative.
And you can't think about them the same.
The reason that the actual poll people are upset, or are concerned about the future of their industry, is that the behind-the-scenes polls were also wrong.
unidentified
Right.
ben domenech
Like the ones that are given to corporate and lobbying clients, et cetera.
I mean, I had all of these people coming to me saying, there is no chance Susan Collins is going to win.
You've got to stop saying that.
I just kept saying, you know what?
I think she knows how to win Maine.
And they're saying, look, we got our internals.
She's not going to be on this committee anymore.
We're talking to the other side, that kind of thing.
And then, of course, she wins easily.
tim pool
So it is, it is a fact that polls are propaganda.
And I know immediately there's going to be mainstream journalists, there's going to be leftists being like, ah, conspiracy theories.
No, no, no, hold on.
There, there are many polls that are legit.
There are many polls that are overt propaganda and they function as such.
Ian, let me ask you a question.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Would you be in favor of taking some tax money and invest and using that to invest in new technologies that could improve American energy independence?
ian crossland
Wow, that's a vague question, Tim.
tim pool
I thought that was very specific!
Would you be in favor of allocating some of the US- How much is some, first off?
It's just your opinion.
unidentified
Some.
tim pool
It could be anything.
ian crossland
I'm just asking if you think- I'm not gonna drag you here.
Yeah, I would.
tim pool
It sounds great, doesn't it?
ian crossland
Sounds awesome.
tim pool
Okay, let me mark you down for favors green new deal.
Okay.
Now let me ask you a question.
Would you be in favor of a policy that dramatically overhauls the entire medical industry and bans private insurance?
No opposes Green New Deal.
Yes, you see it.
You can ask questions and what they'll do then is they'll say
they'll show a thing saying support.
It'll say Green New Deal support oppose and they won't tell you what they're asking.
Those are the propaganda polls.
There are polls that will show you the methodology.
They'll show the questions they ask and that's you have to do
when you go in and try and figure out what they're really talking about.
ben domenech
Well, the biggest thing that has been plaguing the polling industry and I don't want to get so off tangent on bar, but
so someone who you should actually have on the program Emily Eakins, who's the head of polling at the Cato
Institute and free bit previously at the Reason Foundation has done
phenomenal research over the past several years about the difficulty.
She was the one who was the source of that poll that so many people cite about the unwillingness of people to share their true views.
Right.
and kind of seeking out the shy Trump voter or the shy conservative voter in lots of different respects.
And it's very difficult to do it.
You almost have to, one of the polls, not from something she commissioned,
but one that I saw from this cycle behind the scenes, had this hilarious question in it.
I think I can share it now that it's well in the past, but it was, do you know someone
who you believe supports President Trump, but would be unwilling to say that publicly
fear of the reaction.
Okay.
And so they have this percentage that's like, this is how many, it's a huge number, you know, say, and then the follow-up question to those who said yes is, does that previous question describe you?
And a lot of them say yes, like a huge portion of them say yes because they've been prepped for it.
unidentified
Right.
ben domenech
Because otherwise it's like some strange person calls me and they ask me whether I support this guy everybody says is racist.
I'm not going to say yes.
tim pool
But also because the way the question is framed, it could have repercussions on them.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So it's basically, it sounds like they're coming at you as someone who's sympathetic to that, you know, having an impact on you.
But yeah, you know what I was saying?
I love it.
They put out this clip of me saying 49th State Landslide over and over again because I was, for one, saying, here's the hypotheticals.
Like, for instance, there's a lot of videos where I would say something like, look, if Trump pardoned all nonviolent drug offenders and issued an executive order legalizing pot at the federal level, 49th State Landslide.
And so I'm not literally predicting this, I'm saying if Trump does something crazy, this is what happens.
ben domenech
Which is the one state he would lose in that scenario.
tim pool
What's the one state?
ben domenech
Yeah, he would lose in that scenario.
Oregon?
lydia smith
Yeah, the most conservative state.
unidentified
We didn't need him anyway.
tim pool
But the point to it was basically there's hypotheticals.
I kind of lost my train of thought on why I was bringing that up.
But back to polls, I guess, was the general.
ben domenech
You know, stay too long on polls, but because I know there's so many other news things to talk about.
But the one thing that I do want people to keep in mind is they were broken last time around.
Oh, the vast majority did not fix it.
And the handful of places that got it right last time around and worked to fix it, OK, including Trafalgar and other places like that, just got bashed over and over by both pollsters and like the poll bros, the people who just analyze polls for a living, who write for a lot of these media sites.
And at the end of the day, they ended up being a ton more accurate, even as they were being criticized over and over again.
And one of the big aspects of this that I think kept getting cited by these poll bros was, well, you're not looking at the granular, you know, precinct-level data the way that we are.
Like, we have the true cross, you know, here, and you don't really know what is in it.
And that was where they had some of the biggest misses.
It's why they got so many of these House races wrong.
The Cook report, for instance, not to single them out because so many people were wrong, but Dave Wasserman there literally had a tweet up where he said, I wish that I could erase everything that I've written in 2020 about the outcome in the House and revert to what I said in December 2019 or whatever, when I said Republicans would pick up five.
tim pool
So I now remember my train of thought.
It was that the one thing I predicted pretty much spot on as many did was the polls would be wrong.
And one of the reasons I gave is you have all these people who lie about you all the time.
They accuse you of being a bigot and a racist and all of these things.
The media is constantly full of falsehoods.
And then when you get a phone call, you know, hi, I'm with, you know, ABC, Washington Post poll.
Do you support Donald Trump?
No, not me.
Biden all the way.
ben domenech
I never let any of them over for Thanksgiving.
I mean, I guess I can't have any of them over anyway.
tim pool
You see how the media treated that guy.
You know, I remember that guy who posted the video of Nancy Pelosi slowed down and they were like, they chose his picture, his name, where he works.
You had the guy who made the meme of Trump body slamming the CNN guy.
And they're like, we will publish his name if he ever does this again.
So when the media calls you and says, hi friend, do you support Donald Trump?
We're the media, you can trust us.
ben domenech
And keep in mind, did you see any of the most recent tech hearing?
The Hawley-Zuckerberg interaction?
tim pool
A little bit, it's just circled.
ben domenech
So the most interesting, there were two interesting things from that interaction.
One was Zuckerberg saying that he didn't know whether they tracked every time an employee had looked at What?
someone's Facebook messages.
So he said that.
And secondly, the admission that they actually have a program that Zuckerberg sort of initially said
he didn't recognize the name, but then it became clear that he kind of knew what Holly was talking about,
that they have their own internal program that is designed to share information across big tech
about the activities of people on other platforms in order to inform their way that Facebook treats them.
In other words, tracking someone's YouTube comments and then using them.
In other words, you think you're working separately and that you're communicating separately, but if everything is just going into a dump of, this person needs to be downgraded, silenced.
lydia smith
I mean, that's... That reminds me of what happened to Sargon, where he said some naughty word on some platform and they took him off.
ben domenech
I'm familiar with this, but yes, what was remind me he did from patreon. Yes
tim pool
So for those that are familiar patreon is like a you know People can sign up to give you a certain amount of money
and then you release content over a certain period of time Sargon aka
Carl Benjamin, he's a YouTuber, he has a podcast, a new one called The Lotus Eaters, shoutout.
Shouted him out before.
He did a livestream with a very, very tiny livestream, only a few thousand people, and he called them white... I think he called them something like white n-word or whatever.
And he was making a point that the things you do to describe other people is how you actually are, so you're describing yourself.
It was an obscure two-hour stream right in the middle where he said this, and Patreon found it.
Apparently someone submitted it to Patreon and said, look at this, and then went, okay, nuked his account.
All of his income, well, not all of his, but his income from Patreon just gone.
So they said, yes, we take offline behavior into account, how you act on other platforms.
ben domenech
Which was really... I think people don't understand that that's where we're headed.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
ben domenech
Like that is absolutely where we are headed and it's not going to be... People always try to scare you about some situation where government does these things.
It's not that.
lydia smith
It's not going to be that.
ben domenech
It's corporate America.
tim pool
It's the people who... You sound like a liberal leftist.
Well, it seems... How they used to sound.
ben domenech
Well, how they used to sound, exactly.
Look, this is a very real thing that is a transition that is happening and that the I would say more the Kamala Harris wing of the Democratic
Party wants, which is to say we are going to use corporate America to weaponize or to
administrate our woke program, even as we put it out through taxpayer funds in the public
schools, et cetera.
But corporate America doesn't want to fight this stuff.
They're happy as long as they make money.
And so they're happy with an America-last foreign policy where China is just this wonderful
trading partner and taking away all of these American jobs and making all sorts of cheap
crap that we can sell to people here in America.
And everybody should be happy.
All the big tech companies, they've been profiting so much from this past year.
They're only going to continue.
And meanwhile, small business America gets absolutely crushed.
CNBC reporting this week that their optimism has only gone down since Biden was elected.
And that, I think, is going to continue to be the dynamic here.
And you have these major corporations that are going to come in effectively Crush you through a thousand sort of little things that you can't use anymore You can't be on this platform.
You can't do and then and then it becomes you can't be a part of our, you know Hotel rewards program, you know, you can't fly on our airline.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah No, you look at it and repeats are you there's so much power to cut you off.
Yeah, pleatly your waters cut off I mean they can do Garcetti.
unidentified
Yeah Garcetti and I said he was gonna cut your water off if you had people over and Somehow they didn't do that when Hunter Biden went to that house and partied with Beth Leaves.
tim pool
We have a First Amendment right to peaceably assemble.
The Constitution doesn't say for what.
If I want to peaceably assemble to discuss episodes of SpongeBob SquarePants, so be it.
So if I have a party and I'm in L.A., the Constitution guarantees me that right.
It says I'm going to shut your water off.
That is a human rights violation.
ben domenech
I mean, I can't even imagine what that would do to someone who had health needs.
tim pool
Turning off their power when they're diabetic?
No more refrigerator, no more insulin?
This is how absolutely insane things are getting.
People don't realize about this kind of dystopian nightmare.
You've got all these people that are effectively in the Matrix going along with all of this, and that's freaky.
ian crossland
So you think we're going social credit score in conjunction with your water and your electricity?
tim pool
Joe Biden, as part of his pact with Bernie Sanders, has a plan for a public credit scoring agency based off of your privilege criteria, something like that.
ian crossland
What does that mean?
tim pool
It means that if you're a straight white male, you get a negative score.
Are you kidding me?
No, I'm not kidding you.
So this was written about, there's an organization that works with, I forget what it's called, it's a credit, you know, like they write reports on different credit agencies and it's like an internal corporate thing.
I did a segment on this.
They said, we don't know how Biden would even implement this because it's a violation of the law.
Violation of civil rights law to create a public scoring agency that gives you credit based on your like, you know Privilege criteria or something like that.
So this but they've talked about it.
This kind of reminds me of but so when you when you when you see something like that and Then you look at what they tried in California with with prop 16 repeal or was it?
Yeah prop repeal prop 209 which was their civil rights provision in the Constitution it failed and It starts in California.
It comes to the rest of the country.
If the critical race theorists have their way, they will absolutely repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
ian crossland
So they want to put, like, a Star of David on my chest because I'm a white guy?
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
ben domenech
It's a little piece of flair.
unidentified
No, no, no.
ian crossland
They just want to give me a little red insignia on my chest for being a white male, right?
Is that where we're going?
tim pool
No, you're going to go to a bank, and you're going to say, I'd like to buy a house, and they're going to say, well, your public credit score is 470 because you're a straight white male.
ian crossland
We reserve most of our loans for ethnic minorities.
I'm sorry.
You're not welcome.
ben domenech
Look, I mean, Ibram X. Kendi, you know, the whole passage in his book is about how, you know, capitalism is racism and racism is capitalism.
And those things are like totally united together.
And so to me, this is a this is a situation where this new administration wants to buy off the woke progressives with these various aspects of policy, even as they refuse to do anything that people who actually care about class divides in America and about the economy that's moved, you know, really up into the last couple of years in a really negative direction in this sense, not addressing any of those things, just pretending that it doesn't exist and trying to satisfy it with diversity quotas and the like.
tim pool
Let's, uh, let's, let's, how about we go for the dangerous conversation, the one that's gonna get us banned.
ben domenech
Yes, let's do it.
tim pool
Try and be as careful as possible.
ian crossland
Drugs.
tim pool
Juno star Elliot Page announces he is transgender.
So this is something that came out earlier.
Look, I'm fairly libertarian, so if somebody, you know, is trans or whatever and they want to be called whatever, I have absolutely no problem and more power to them.
They can live their life, be happy, and do all that stuff.
But, uh, when you're talking about, you know, the Democrats and going after this woke, you know, giving them the woke things they want, talking about social media censorship and stuff like this, we're in dangerous territory talking about these issues.
I'll just, I'll come right out and say it.
There was a website dedicated to stories about detransitioning from people who came out as trans, got, you know, it's, look, it's all part of the woke, you know, critical gender theory stuff.
And there are people telling their stories saying they were pressured into it, pressured into life-altering surgeries or taking medications.
And all of these posts get banned from Reddit.
These forums where people are talking about are banned from Reddit.
Conversations like the one we're having now, like I said, is dangerous because they could ban me for it.
And that's crazy because if the internet only allows, if these big tech companies only allow conversation that's, it's good, it's good, it's always good no matter what.
Then all anyone will ever hear is how good it is, and they won't hear that, look, in life sometimes things aren't good.
And I'm not saying what, you know, Elliot Page is doing is good or bad, I'm just saying you need to have a balanced and healthy view analyzing all of these, you know, different subjects and what people are saying in one way or another.
But when we start to have the mass censorship on social media, conversations that can't happen, can't talk about COVID in a certain way, they'll ban you in two seconds.
Can't talk about masks, can't report on studies about masks, they'll ban you.
Then what ends up happening is you develop a society that has a skewed and warped view on many different subjects.
So now we're ending up with, and I'm not trying to direct any, you know, eye or anything towards Elliot Page.
For those that aren't familiar, I might get banned for this because it's called deadnaming, but Elliot Page, formerly Ellen Page.
No joke.
It's like that difficult to talk about this stuff without, because YouTube will come down and they'll nuke you immediately.
ben domenech
So I had a personal interaction, actually multiple personal interactions with with Mr. Page on several occasions because we were for a while neighbors.
tim pool
Really?
ben domenech
Yeah, lived very close to each other.
And at times, in fact, I think twice, I conversed with and bought drinks for Mr. Page without even knowing it.
So I think that now I should be at least earn allyship for that, because I had no idea how progressive I was being in the moment.
But in retrospect, I was being very, very friendly.
Yeah.
We actually talked about Mike Pence at the time.
Yes.
But wonderful, wonderful actor.
And I'm sure that, you know, there are a lot of trans roles now that, you know, people say trans people should be the only people who are allowed to play them.
unidentified
Obviously, that's something that Scarlett Johansson ran into a couple of years ago and had to drop a role and cancel the entire movie.
ben domenech
Yeah, so definitely gonna be I think some productive opportunities for Mr. Page.
ian crossland
I think Elliot is an amazing human, um, regardless of sex or gender or whatever.
And I think that it's important that we can talk about sex and gender and like he and she and him and them and they and all that crap.
unidentified
Like it, you know, like normal, like we have to talk about that.
tim pool
You have to have, you have to be able to have conversations about this stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben domenech
Well, but that's impossible in a situation where government comes in or corporate America comes in and basically says, you have to be walking on eggshells because you might use the wrong pronoun.
And especially when you have this fiction, this idea that the internet has embraced, that suddenly as soon as someone makes that change in their life.
There is a refusal of any kind of admission that this change happened.
And to me, it's not like I don't know, I just think that this is a situation where you have to be able to talk about it openly without fear of repercussions, as you see in places like Canada.
tim pool
Well, so there's a big part of the story, which we're what we I think we can get.
Yes, we have is that in the UK, there's a ruling that effect that essentially says under 16s can't get puberty blockers.
So You need to have these conversations because it's not... I think leftists don't realize this.
Maybe because they're too young.
But think about pot legalization, which is happening across the country.
The only reason it's happening is because people were smoking it illegally.
And they knew they liked it.
And the conversation started happening around legalizing it, which means a bunch of criminals were getting together, committing crimes, and decided, hey, it shouldn't be a crime anymore.
And then a bunch of states were like, that's actually a good point.
It shouldn't be.
If everybody said, you can't do it, you'll go to jail, you'll be banned, your life will be ruined, we would never have it.
So that means you have to have calm, rational, reasonable conversations, but I'll bring up a couple points that I think are a serious problem for us in society based on the things we're seeing with Elliot Page.
And again, not directing any derision at Elliot specifically, but Wikipedia for instance.
is widely used, one of the most popular sites in the world, has very serious problems.
Notably, you can't use Twitter or social media of an individual as a source.
Yet, in every circumstance where an individual comes out as trans, the moment they tweet, the Wikipedia editors all change everything as though that's a legitimate source.
What if you were hacked, and someone tweeted something, and they change your Wikipedia because of this?
It also creates a very strange circumstance.
Somebody tweeted something where it said, in reference to Elliot Page, in 2008, he was named the 93rd sexiest woman alive.
So it's... And I'm not saying... Again, I'm trying to be careful.
I'm not trying to be mean or disrespectful.
It creates very confusing circumstances that people outside of the Woke Bubbles will have no idea what's going on or what this means.
ian crossland
So when you talk about... Well, real quick.
tim pool
The reason I bring that up is that If you go to somebody who's maybe like, you know, not super active on the internet, which is most people, and you read them that line, they would assume it was a gag.
They would be like, oh, like Borat or something, right?
Like if Borat won an award for being a sexy woman.
They wouldn't realize that, you know, Elliot was previously Ellen, that there's, you know, there's an issue here.
These things haven't been worked through.
Our society hasn't had a...
I'll put it this way.
These things have seemingly just blinked into existence to the average person.
We don't know what this means, we don't know how to interact, but they're banning us, they're coming for our jobs, they're threatening our careers because of it.
ian crossland
I would think, like, if you talked about the past of someone that transitioned, that you would use the old pronoun if you're talking about that time when they used to be the old pronoun.
ben domenech
People can change their names all the time, and it doesn't confuse people.
ian crossland
Oh, I guess it's kind of like changing your name.
ben domenech
But I just think that people...
Living in this fictional world just makes for all the demands, I think, that it places on people who are not very online.
unidentified
Right.
ben domenech
I mean, you know, imagine someone who tomorrow, you know, picks up Juno and says some compliment about Paige's performance and then gets accused of, you know, deadnaming and, you know, not respecting, etc.
tim pool
But this will happen.
ben domenech
Yeah.
tim pool
So someone who is not very online might tweet, just watch Juno Ellen Page.
She was fantastic.
And then they're going to get attacked.
They're going to get, they're going to get banned.
They're going to get suspended on Twitter.
I remember Zuby.
Remember Zuby?
First of all, Zuby identified as a woman and then broke the deadlift record to make a point, but then tweeted at someone on Twitter.
Okay, dude.
Got suspended.
ben domenech
Yeah.
tim pool
And because, but it was like an informal colloquial.
Okay, dude.
ben domenech
Look, they're coming for Gina Carano from The Mandalorian because of putting beep-bop-boop or whatever in her Twitter bio instead of the pronouns.
ian crossland
Were they forcing her to put pronouns in?
ben domenech
No, she was getting yelled at for not doing it after the show started.
ian crossland
That's like some C-16 Canadian Jordan Peterson speaking, right?
Forced, compelled speech.
tim pool
Jordan Peterson warned us.
But listen, it's not the government doing it.
It's private corporations.
ben domenech
Oh, you're going to make me cry just mentioning its name.
Jordan?
Oh, did you not see the employees?
tim pool
They didn't even read his book and they were crying over it.
ben domenech
What I loved so much about the story was that they thought that that was a story they needed to tell to the reporter.
Like, this is going to help us.
tim pool
I heard they were going to publish a Jordan Peterson book and I cried.
And it's like, my question is, what was the book about?
I don't know.
He's alright or something.
ben domenech
Cooking.
tim pool
Jordan Peterson Family Recipes and it's nothing but steak.
ben domenech
Just steak every page.
I love this idea.
lydia smith
That's a great idea.
ian crossland
I was thinking about sex and gender.
I was raised, I was taught that sex and gender are different.
Sex is your biology and gender is what you identify with emotionally.
tim pool
Social, social.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's how you socially identify.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
Like words can have gender.
So in romance languages, words are gendered.
ian crossland
So why not just acknowledge whatever sex you are, okay, but then if you want to change your gender, just go legally do it at the courthouse.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
ian crossland
Why not?
That would be so easy and less confusing.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
I'm sorry.
Your ID doesn't say man or woman.
It says male or female.
And the reason for that is typically medical or for important legal reasons.
ian crossland
You could add something to the identification if you wanted to use a different gender.
tim pool
This is the issue that's really causing everything to break down, is that you're correct.
Sex and gender are different things.
Typically, for the longest time, especially with me growing up, people use sex and gender interchangeably.
But if someone comes out and says it's a distinction, I can say, absolutely fine, no problem.
The issue is, though, on your passport, on your ID, on your birth certificate, it says male or female, not to make you feel better, not to express your identity, but to explain to people, medically, what you likely are.
It's not perfect, but I did a segment on this for Scanner, which is the news outlet now Emily and Rocco are running.
We talked with Dr. Deborah So.
She's wonderful.
She's brilliant.
And in it, we talk about the 1992, I believe, Health Revitalization Act.
Before this, 1992, get this, not even that long ago, when they did clinical trials, they had no obligation to actually do clinical trials on both males and females.
And so what ended up happening was medication would come out that would be particularly ineffective or dangerous for females.
When there's a medical emergency, there's a reason why there's a male or female on your ID.
It's not just so that when you show your ID, someone can see this and then call you by your proper pronouns.
It's so that if you fall down and they're like, what medication can we give this person?
They have a better idea.
Now, in most circumstances, most times someone's in a medical emergency, male or female, they're gonna be able to help you out just fine.
But there are circumstances where, for distinct reasons, it's important that we understand your biology is not the same.
ian crossland
You could have, like, it say male, she, her.
ben domenech
Like, if you wanted to go to the courthouse and get your gender legally changed, But still have that it says male so if there's a medicine that it's dangerous for I just think that a lot of this gets into the nitty-gritty of the way that that you know government and corporations have to define everything about us at all times and it's just it's it's a very difficult thing but just to go back to the original point you made the the page story
And, again, as an actor, great.
Umbrella Academy was good.
Phenomenal.
Great next month.
Incredible.
And I just think that part of the problem is you put these two stories next to each other, the UK story and the page story, and then this other piece that got written this past week Perhaps, I don't know how she knew this story was coming, by Katie Herzog, who does Blocked and Reported with Jesse Singel, the podcast, which you should listen to.
She wrote this piece, this amazing piece, called Where Are All the Lesbians Gone, that talked about the fact, early on, that there are only 15 lesbian bars left in America, and that all these people are redefining themselves as trans instead of lesbian.
tim pool
It's crazy.
Look at this.
Katie writes, lesbian bars have always been vastly outnumbered by bars for straight people and gay men.
But in the 1980s, there were more than 200 lesbian bars in the U.S.
What happened?
Well, a lot of them sucked.
The first lesbian bars I went to in my early 20s were dank, smoky caves where women in khaki shorts and backward caps grinded on each other to outcast.
They could have been frat bars, if not for the notable absence of men.
I don't know if she specifically references 15 or whatever.
She says there's also economic challenge.
This is what took down Lexington and infamous... I can't use that word, unfortunately, on YouTube.
But yeah, she goes on to say there used to be a lot more, and that was kind of the point I wanted to bring up.
ben domenech
She the point that she's overall making is that something is happening here in society.
And the problem that you're pointing out is that basically, if we move into the way that certain people want us to talk about this, we can't even discuss it.
We can't even, you know, kind of put it out on the table and say, well, let's talk about this interesting phenomenon that's happening.
Why is it happening?
And to me, that's just it's just so we got to talk.
tim pool
So she she literally opens with the wrong thing.
She literally opens with there are only 15 lesbian bars left in the entire country.
ben domenech
It's crazy.
tim pool
So are you familiar with Get the L Out?
This was a protest, I believe, in the UK.
Many of these lesbians are being called, you know, TERFs.
They were basically saying that trans activism is erasing lesbians.
And this is kind of what, I guess, Katie Herzog is saying about the lesbian bars.
ben domenech
I just think that this is a situation where it's almost impossible to discuss all of these things honestly if we have the kind of restrictions that are trying to be put on us.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's crazy.
ben domenech
And that's crazy, especially with that UK case that is going to lead to a ton more lawsuits.
ian crossland
What was the case?
ben domenech
Oh yeah.
tim pool
High court ruling on puberty blockers protects teenagers, says woman who sued NHS.
Three judges say children under 16 must be able to give their competent consent and understand the treatment.
So this was a woman who transitioned and then realized it was, for them, a mistake, and then de-transitioned.
But I tell you, you can't have that conversation.
Like I mentioned, there was a website that told all these stories.
I'll tell you, man, some of the most horrifying stories, and the reason why they were horrifying is that they were saying their loved ones were just telling them, do it.
Do all of these things, and they weren't getting an honest, healthy, therapeutic, and loving analysis of what was going on in their lives and what they really needed to feel better.
ian crossland
They were kids?
They were young people?
tim pool
It was stories of all types.
Stories of all types.
And there were forums on Reddit that talked about this.
They're like Reddit, you know, subreddits, where they were like, here's what I went through, banned.
ben domenech
And then Mario Lopez comes along and says you shouldn't be shoving drugs into kids and suddenly has to go this way.
tim pool
Mario Lopez said three-year-olds probably don't know if they're trans and he had to apologize for it.
unidentified
To who?
tim pool
He was going to get fired, I guess.
ian crossland
By who?
tim pool
I mean, listen, Mario, you shouldn't have apologized.
Absolutely not.
ben domenech
When I was three, I probably wanted to be a triceratops.
tim pool
Joe Biden said, if an eight-year-old decides to be trans, there should be no discrimination.
ian crossland
Dude, I used to play as Wonder Woman.
I used to dress up, not dress up, but I would run around and be like, I'm Wonder Woman.
She was my favorite character.
But I didn't want to be a woman.
I was always like, what would it be like to be a girl?
I mean, it's just crazy thoughts.
tim pool
So this is what happens.
Joe Biden, when he said that, if an eight-year-old chooses to be trans, there should be no discrimination.
That is the kind of... I believe that's irresponsible.
I believe the correct answer should be, the issues of private family matters for minors is the responsibility of their parents and their doctors.
And that's it.
He shouldn't be telling or encouraging or saying, no, no, listen...
There are certainly circumstances where there are transgender kids and teenagers, and the parents need to make sure they're doing everything right, and the doctors are doing everything right.
ian crossland
He's so checked out.
When he did that at the debate, and told that woman about her eight-year-old... The town hall, yes.
ben domenech
But that, again, is the sinkhole that you just get sucked into on these things.
Where logic goes out the window and you don't think about the ramifications of it, and then you wake up one morning and there are a bunch of kids who need therapy and are pissed off at their parents for shoving drugs into them for something that was just a phase.
tim pool
There was that viral clip from, I think, that HBO show where there's the young trans kid telling his mom, my life is ruined.
I hate this.
I shouldn't have ever done it.
And the mom just stares and says nothing.
And it's almost like, you know, It goes back into what I was saying about censorship.
The fact that even having this conversation, we run the risk of getting demonetized and getting banned, but it needs to be talked about.
If this mother never heard any of these conversations, then the only thing she knew is must be good.
Now the kid is telling his mom, and this is on HBO.
This is going viral.
My life is ruined.
I can't stand it.
Parents need to be there for their kids, man.
ben domenech
This is just, I mean, it's a tragedy and the adults who, I think we will look back on this as being a very stupid and crazy time for the kind of adults who just egged all of this on and acted as if there were no downsides.
You know, science can solve your problems for you and make all the confusion go away.
When kids are confused, and teenagers especially are confused, And we should let people work their way through these things and make decisions as informed adults and not force them into boxes early on based on, you know, what you've read in the in the silly magazines that make for make arguments for... Teen Vogue.
Yes, Teen Vogue in particular.
tim pool
You know, praising Karl Marx and stuff like that.
And you know, one of the issues is I think there's a kind of a feedback loop that is driving the left insane.
So they make rules to appease what they think is normal.
Then those rules create an environment where you can only talk about what they think is normal, which then slowly starts spinning and spinning and moving further and further left.
So you end up with the CEO of Twitter saying, here's our rules and the rules are applicable or understood only by 8% of the population, the ultra progressives.
Regular people are being banned left and right, creating an echo chamber of all this far left nonsense, which then results in people growing up, getting jobs at Twitter and then believing the insane nonsense and then enacting rules of what they think is normal.
ben domenech
And that's why the future of the left depends on the line that runs through AOC's heart.
because she, as someone who is a legitimate economic progressive and a populist, I believe,
on those points, has shunted those issues to the side in order to accept and embrace
this woke ridiculousness.
And a byproduct of that, she and the rest of the squad pushing Bernie into that box,
which he had never occupied before historically.
He had talked about race as being used by corporations to divide us in ways where we
should be united based on class interests and economic interests.
Until, yes.
tim pool
And then he went woke.
ben domenech
And then we have a situation where, you know, the left now, are you just going to be satisfied with a situation where Facebook is policing this stuff and YouTube is banning Tim Pool?
And, you know, you have big tech doing all these different things, carrying out your woke agenda.
Meanwhile, you know, the very class people you've always said you were fighting for against the Amazons of the world are getting absolutely crushed.
I mean, that's a scary future, man.
tim pool
It's a funny thing when the left is in favor of massive private corporations, unconstrained power, to silence and disrupt the lives of the working class.
ben domenech
Do you think it's because they've just given up on the process of How a democratic republic works through and solves these problems?
tim pool
I think you got a lot of bullies who want power and have found a path.
They found a pitchfork and a torch and they've gone with it.
And I think it's funny that, you know, for most of my life, I was pretty much on the left.
Now that we're coming into the situation where Trump is evil and he's the next coming of
Hitler and all this other nonsense, an honest take on that and they say you're right wing.
Everything's just so absolutely binary.
Like right now there's articles talking about people who are supporting conspiracy theories,
specifically if you believe there was fraud in the election.
And so if you are honest about the news, you're right wing.
That's where we're at right now.
And so I took that famous line, and I said, reality has a right-wing bias.
At least it does today.
What was it, Colbert who said, reality is a left-wing bias, you know, what, 15 or so years ago?
Maybe it did back then, but today, when I pull up, you know, CNN, and they just say, no evidence of fraud at all, and then I literally have a sworn affidavit, six of them, all dropped at one time, Well, witness testimony under oath is evidence.
The media is lying about this stuff.
ben domenech
Just because you mentioned him real quick as a sideline, who do you think is the first of these comedians or talk show hosts?
No, the existing ones today who basically just made their milk and honey out of Trump for the past four years.
Which of them gets the axe first?
tim pool
Samantha Bee.
ben domenech
It has to be, right?
I mean, they're all so bad and they're spread so thin and their jokes are the same and they're so tired and everybody's... I mean, frankly, Colbert was very close to being fired, I believe, just because of his ratings at the time prior to Trump getting elected and turning so political.
And, you know, and I, I mean, I've loved Colbert during his career.
I've met him and he's been very kind to me and that kind of thing.
But at the same time, it's like you became so one note and so partisan and so politicized.
You stopped making jokes.
And to me, I look at that whole situation and it's like, can we maybe get some good comedy back in here?
You had Ryan Long in here the other day.
tim pool
He's hilarious.
ben domenech
I've interviewed before, too.
He's absolutely hilarious.
ian crossland
Instagram just pulled his video down.
tim pool
Whoa, really?
Which one?
ian crossland
Three days ago.
Which video?
It was pulled down, but it's on YouTube.
tim pool
No way.
ian crossland
He was like, guess I gotta go to YouTube to see my new video that Instagram pulled down.
ben domenech
Oh my gosh.
But he's a good example of some, like, there's so many comedians who, I mean, and many of them are leftists, you know, but comedy itself is anti-woke in all of its respects.
I mean, it's designed to cut people down.
It's designed to, you know, make these points.
And to me, looking at this landscape of hackery, We deserve a show that actually makes us laugh at the end of the day.
ian crossland
I think firstly because comedians are smart and that these people have given up.
I think a lot of people on the left that are crazy and you were like, have they given up?
It's like they got to a puzzle.
It's like, okay, it's a deal.
You get to a puzzle and it's so complex, you can't figure it out.
And you're just like, I don't know.
And then you choose bash as your option and you just smash it.
And that's what they're doing.
They're going woke and they're just bashing because it's it's the military
industrial complex, the pharmaceutical industry, all these industries, the
media, the manipulation, they're hearing different things is so confusing to
these people that they're just given up and then they're just choosing to go
woke. Let's just go.
tim pool
So Ryan Long's video was white women say go back to hating white men.
Okay, so I actually doing it was doing really well.
ben domenech
I just I just saved that on on my YouTube before I came over here today to remind myself to watch it.
But that's, that's crazy.
They pull something like that.
That's that sounds hilarious.
tim pool
Obvious jokes, but you know what they allow?
They'll well, I'm not gonna get into it.
They allow bodily fluids and certain things.
What they choose to allow and not allow is really weird.
Honestly, in my opinion, the nipple thing is kind of funny.
unidentified
It's kind of amusing.
tim pool
Women who take vinyl stickers of male nipples over their nipples, and that's approved by Instagram.
Because like, because the rules are like this weird system where it's like male nipples are okay, female aren't.
ian crossland
What the heck?
tim pool
Right.
It's kind of, it's weird, isn't it?
It's like, I just got to allow the nipple, man.
You got to, I guess you have to allow it.
I don't know what you do.
Cause it makes no sense that they do that.
Cause then it looks like they're just topless anyway.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
You're still insinuating.
I think simulated nudity is just like nudity, right?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
That's how it's treated online.
tim pool
I think the rules are all really weird.
ben domenech
Yes.
But again, stupid rules.
We're surrounded by stupid rules.
Sometimes they have the force of government behind them, but we're increasingly surrounded by stupid rules from places that really ought to be more in the business of just like, we're a place where you can charge for your newsletter.
tim pool
All right, so this is funny, right?
It's always been the liberals that were like, the corporations.
The corporations, and you know, we gotta tax the companies and stop them, and the government is good.
Then, for a long time, it was always the conservatives saying, no, the free market is okay, the corporations are not evil, and the government is... I'm speaking generally, of course.
Now it's the Democrats saying, but my private business.
It's like you sound like the Koch brothers.
ben domenech
And they, and they think you're, they all think you're stupid.
I mean, Jeff Bezos, you know, you know, it's like, oh, Amazon is viewed as horrible.
That's so bad.
I'm going to buy the Washington Post with basically money, money I found in my couch.
Oh, and let's put democracy dies in darkness at the top.
lydia smith
Right at the top.
ben domenech
And we'll have all these stories bashing Trump and we'll, you know, market it through Amazon as like a bonus to people.
Meanwhile, we're going to put out a business, small businesses all over the place, and we're going to crush them when it comes to IP.
We're going to engage in all of this negative behavior and you're not going to care because we're just anti-Trump.
We're anti the fascists.
We're fighting them.
tim pool
But so this is why I think we're on the precipice.
Well, I can't keep using that analogy.
I said before, I feel like we've splattered on the ground.
We fell off the precipice.
We went over a long time ago.
We were falling for a long time.
Smack the ground.
This country has been split in two.
And you've got people.
ian crossland
It's more than two.
It's fractions.
tim pool
No, no, no.
It is.
But just speaking generally, the people who are supporting Joe Biden, who are supporting the lockdowns, and there's a large overlap, not every single, but the Venn diagram is pretty, you know, tightly compact.
Allowing private businesses to take away, to monopolize the commons.
That is the most anti-leftist thing I've ever heard, but the left supports it.
Not all leftists.
But for the most part, they deny that censorship is even happening.
They say things like it's a private business, they can do what they want.
And I'm like, bro, the conversations we have...
The marketplaces?
That's called the commons.
It's the area where it's supposed to be like for all of us to work and live together.
The left was always about defending that.
Now you're saying private business when they censor somebody, take away their banking, or even in some instances kick them out of their apartments, which has happened to some people.
That's how crazy things are getting, they're supporting it.
So you know what I see?
Stupid and complicit people, the priests of the cathedral, who know what they're doing to manipulate these people, and then you end up with the... I guess you call it the red-pilled.
That's the analogy they use.
It's not all conservatives.
I think conservatives were the ones who woke up to this a long time ago because they were being lied about quite a bit.
But then you end up with disaffected liberals, people like me.
You're certainly no conservative.
You're further left than I am on a lot of issues.
And you would be considered right-wing for a lot of things.
ian crossland
That's insanity?
tim pool
It is.
It is.
Look at you.
You're a hippie dude, skateboard shirt with long hair, and they call you right-wing.
ian crossland
Right and left are gone.
They don't mean anything.
tim pool
Of course.
ian crossland
They're vague.
tim pool
But think about what's happening now.
What is?
Someone to do when you are watching Amazon eviscerate the working class, laughing while they do it, democracy dies in darkness, as he spits in your face, and they advocate and fund politicians who say, it's against the science, but we're going to destroy your life, your small business, your family.
We're going to tell you to wear a mask in your own home between bites, but we're going to go out and party like Gavin Newsom.
What's a regular person going to do when they see that over and over again?
And they know because they're listening, they're paying attention.
People are going to explode, man.
ben domenech
I was on Fox News earlier today in the noon hour and they were talking about Neera Tanden, the appointee or the expected appointee to head the OMB, Office of Management and Budget, underneath Joe Biden.
And Neera is obviously somebody who you know about and is very controversial when it comes to Both her association with Hillary Clinton, her activities running the Center for American Progress, her general trollishness toward people online.
And as the Democrat who was on the show, Leslie Marshall, was defending her, she said, you know, she's backed by, you know, is qualified by such a diverse, you know, coalition of people, including Hillary Clinton and Bill Kristol.
And I just and I literally I literally said you could find this clip.
unidentified
I started going ha ha ha like into my microphone just for people don't know who's Bill Kristol.
ben domenech
The former the former head of the now defunct Weekly Standard but also someone who you know is also a major neoconservative figure you know as argued for wars all around the world and very similar to Hillary.
To me, it's, well, but I said, look, you know, the fact that you think that these two people
coming together to back Neera Tanden is a mark in her favor, you know, tells us a lot
about where this administration is going, which is what I, here's what I honestly think.
We have a situation where the America-last foreign policy, the people who view everything
through the global sphere as opposed to what is in the interests of the American people,
who view war as something that we should go into, you know, on the other side, people who view war
as something that we should go into very reluctantly, very rarely, and always with the interests of
Americans and the American and American stability, you know, at heart. In other words, you know,
there's a higher level of threat from the cartels than from a lot of these countries in Africa.
That's a side point.
But the point being, I think that that's now moved into this new, this center-left globalist
coalition that Biden wants to form and that the Kamala Harris folks want to form in his
stead, which is, we're going to be good to big tech, we're going to be good to big
Wall Street, we're going to do everything that they want in terms of globalism and get
back into the Paris Climate Accords, which China likes more than us, get back into the
Iran deal, get back into all these other things that other places want that don't look out
for American interests.
And they really think that they can hold that together with the glue of progressive wokeism.
tim pool
There's a reporter for The Atlantic who blocked me recently because I quote tweeted him in
a critical of the media in general.
But we're seeing something quite a bit where they're saying, there's this meme going around where the journalists say, if the past four years of Trump was like drowning in a vat of Tabasco sauce, then the next four years of Biden will be like sipping unflavored almond milk.
And everyone laughs like, haha, Joe Biden's gonna be so, so boring, right?
So Joe Biden hurts his ankle, okay?
And this reporter for The Atlantic posts an image saying, Joe Biden playing with dog hurts ankle, and he says, you know, an image of how boring the next several years are going to be.
And then he does this joke where it's like, 2019, Donald Trump extra extra legally calls for an investigation of Saturday Night Live because they made a critical, you know, sketch about him.
2021, you know, Joe Biden plays with dog, something like that.
So my response was, 2011.
Barack Obama orders drone strike on civilian cafe in country we are not at war with, killing a 16-year-old American citizen, and his response to the public is, oopsie!
unidentified
2020.
tim pool
Joe Biden's transition team is looking a lot like Barack Obama's team, so we're gonna get Obama 2.0.
Point being, journalists are basically telling us they're not going to do their jobs.
ben domenech
Totally.
tim pool
They're already saying, it's so funny playing with a dog.
Meanwhile, it's like, okay, should we count down the days until he blows up some kids?
I'll take bets.
ben domenech
It's definitely a situation where you're going to have them using Oh, there's a rescue pet.
Oh, look at the funny socks.
Oh, Tony Blinken, he plays the guitar.
That's the thing that we're going to talk about the next Secretary of State.
And it's like, aren't there more important things that are going to need to be addressed here?
I mean, the most significant obviously being I still have no idea what Joe Biden's secret plan to end the coronavirus looks like.
tim pool
I didn't have one.
Of course he doesn't.
ben domenech
It just seems to be yell on the phone via, you know, at governors to have more mask mandates.
tim pool
Now, we can play the partisan game and I can say, I just read a story that Joe Biden hurt his ankle playing with a dog.
What is this man doing playing with a dog during one of the worst pandemics we've ever experienced?
Shouldn't he be working on something instead of playing around?
You can play silly games, criticize him for whatever you can, but that's like the partisan media run, right?
ben domenech
Barack Obama admits that he was smoking throughout his entire tenure at the White House.
ian crossland
Smoking pot?
ben domenech
No, no, no, cigarettes.
No, I wish.
Cigarettes.
tim pool
Maybe he wanted to kill so many kids.
ben domenech
Honestly, it would probably have been a much better administration.
ian crossland
Call the peace pipe.
ben domenech
But seriously, the fact that we never knew that, when everyone was so, like, picking apart Look, they always lie about the president's health.
tim pool
They always say he's healthier than he is.
I think Jake Tapper called him out and got ridiculed for it.
Like years ago, he said, I smelled smoke on Obama, and then they all made fun of him.
I think it was Tapper.
ben domenech
I do recall this, yes.
But it's like, that's what they're going to do again.
Because it's fine.
tim pool
A tan suit?
ben domenech
Oh, that was the only scandal.
tim pool
That was the right, wasn't it?
That was criticizing him.
ben domenech
So the tansuit thing is a total fake news fiction.
It's like a handful of people made fun of the tansuit.
And then everybody has now put like the tansuit was this huge scandal on the right.
And it's like it was literally a handful of people making jokes.
tim pool
I remember interestingly, we have a, Luke Rutkowski is hanging out.
He was at, I think it was like a DNC, it was a debate or something, a DNC convention.
And he asked a couple Democrats about the extrajudicial assassination by Barack Obama of a 16-year-old American citizen whose name was Abdulrahman Awlaki.
And it was, I can't remember the guy's name, Charlie Gibbs, is that his name?
He said, well, he should have had a better father.
So the questions that arose from it.
No, no, yeah, seriously.
ben domenech
That is a hot take.
tim pool
16-year-old American from Denver, Colorado, lived in San Diego, was visiting his grandparents in Yemen.
Barack Obama ordered a drone strike in Yemen.
We're not at war with Yemen.
Blowing up a civilian restaurant.
We don't target civilians.
Killing a 16-year-old American citizen.
What the?
lydia smith
We don't target kids.
ian crossland
And his dad was somebody that Obama wanted dead, right?
tim pool
Yeah, he was suspected of being a high-profile jihadist.
ian crossland
So the theory is they killed the guy's son?
tim pool
Well, the anti-war activists think that Barack Obama was basically telling the world, if you F with us, I will kill your kids.
And he's willing to blot civilians to do it.
ben domenech
It's so funny how, though, the media complex pretended that Trump's approach to foreign policy was going to be something that dragged him down, that was this negative around him with the American people.
When it is so much more historically in sync with what Americans tend to want, which is they are not peaceniks, okay?
They go through periods after heavy wards of being sort of looking like peaceniks, but in reality they tend to be, as Walter Russell Mead has written, consistently Jacksonian, which is that if you leave us alone and you don't screw with us, then we don't want to go over there and screw with you and have it come back and have it be complicated and that kind of thing.
We just want you to leave us alone.
But if you screw with us, we're going to come over and we're just going to, you know.
ian crossland
And we're armed.
ben domenech
Beat the crap out of you.
And then some.
And more.
And that's what they like.
But then they don't like to stay around and exist in these nation-building ways.
And in fact, George W. Bush made that same argument when he was running for president in 2000.
He said, we don't want to be in the nation-building business anymore.
That type of thing.
Exactly.
That's how it worked out for him.
You can go back and find that clip.
Well, but I think that that's another indication where That is the undercurrent because it's actually pretty consistent with, frankly, a lot of people who come from military families want.
It's the fact that they don't want their kid to be sent over to some small war.
They understand the purpose of defending America.
They're patriots.
They want the country to be defended.
They don't want to get rid of the military or shut that all down.
At the same time, they don't want to hear about their kid dying in Africa, as we saw a little more than a year ago, and have senators come on the camera and say, I didn't even know that we were in this part of Africa.
And that's what happened.
And it's like, that should disgust us.
We should never have a situation where that happens.
tim pool
You know, you know, we had a we had a lefty on the show and he was like 26.
We were talking about Joe Biden's, you know, as vice president in these scandals.
And he was like, I think I was 15 or 16 when that happened.
So so a lot of these totally.
ben domenech
And and I'm experiencing this now because I am an old man at 38.
And and I have employees now who were, you know, two years old when 9-11 happened.
Three years old.
And they don't even, when one of my colleagues makes a reference to Team America World Police and they have no idea what he's talking about, which is really depressing.
It's like, what is this puppet sex movie that you're talking about?
Anyway.
Get familiar.
The only way I would sleep with you is if you promised me you would never die.
unidentified
I will never die.
ben domenech
The thing that is amazing about it is you start to see How, and I didn't listen to people who were older than me and told me this, our politics repeats so much.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben domenech
It has this rhyming quality to it where we come back to these same points with new figures and new elements, but they also repeat in these fascinating ways.
And, you know, oftentimes I think you end up having these controversial in the time figures Who, in retrospect, proved to be viewed as incredibly effective or having done amazing things.
You know, Reagan was one of these figures.
Clinton became one of these figures.
I think, in retrospect, people look back and they're like, wow, that Bill Clinton, he was, you know, very centrist and sort of did these culturally slightly conservative things and, you know, had these attitudes in different directions.
At the time, he was the most controversial person we'd ever seen in the presidency, and Republicans hated him and loathed him and investigated the crap out of
him and impeached him.
And I think in retrospect we'll look back, we'll come to look back on Trump as being
a similar figure in a lot of respects.
Where he governed closer to the center than people actually think.
tim pool
Many people are saying, you know, how many months or years until Ellen is, you know,
sharing candy with Trump at a baseball game or something.
ian crossland
Soon, but I think it'll be Biden first.
tim pool
Well, look, George W. Bush in that famous, you know, bit with the sharing the candy with
ben domenech
Michelle Obama or whatever.
Who will it be?
Because it won't be somebody who's conservative like Vince Vaughn, it'll be someone who's a little bit more...
tim pool
Who would it be?
Maybe an athlete?
Oh my gosh.
They just don't know?
at the things George W. Bush did and Dick Cheney compared to what Trump did.
It's just like night and day.
And here they are.
There was a poll that came out that said Democrats view George W.
Bush more favorably than Trump.
And I'm like, y'all have lost it.
ben domenech
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
But this, this is why I just don't know.
Listen, no, no, no.
ian crossland
This is, this is why I brought up the dude on it.
tim pool
This yes.
But when you have, when you have people who are, you got 20 year olds who voted
20 year olds who are activists online, right online right now, marching down
the street, waving banners.
ian crossland
Right, they were cynics when we got into Iraq.
tim pool
Yeah, and they were 10!
They were, what, 8 years old during the economic crisis.
They were 10 years old in 2010.
They were 11 during Occupy Wall Street.
So while we're on Occupy Wall Street, and you've got the left rising up, complaining about Obama, And both Democrats and Republicans.
And we got all of these years, look, the emergence of Black Lives Matter and all this stuff happened under Obama.
The National Guard being deployed, all of it's under Obama.
We had these riots.
We had, you know, Libya, Syria, all of these conflicts.
You have stories about drone strikes.
They called him Obama, Obama, like bombing people.
They called him the deporter in chief.
Here we are, we get Trump.
Not good in the first few years in foreign policy, improving very much so in the last two years, firing Bolton, especially, I bring it up all the time, it was a great move, shouldn't have hired him in the first place.
And then I'm talking to these people who are now in their 20s, and they're like, I was 10 when all that was happening.
And I'm like, so you, you come into my house, we've been fighting this fight against these insane people.
Hillary Clinton was told a no-fly zone over Syria would mean World War III, war with Russia, and she was like, basically, so what?
ben domenech
So you know what you just touched on there is one of the great ironies of Trump's presidency, which is that to the degree that it was a failure, it is because he failed to do the very thing he was most famous for before getting into the presidency, which is fire people.
tim pool
Oh, yes.
ben domenech
If he had fired James Comey on day one.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
ben domenech
You don't have all of that.
tim pool
He trusted too many people.
ben domenech
If you fire or never hire Bolton, you don't have that period.
If you fire Anthony Fauci, the minute that he comes out and says, we shouldn't reopen schools despite the rest of the first world reopening schools.
I mean, there's a lot of different things that could have gone right here if Trump had been quicker to fire people.
tim pool
And if he had actually been Almost.
If it was even one degree towards more authoritarian as much as they claim him to be.
ben domenech
In addition, the funny thing is that that's the actual, I would argue the same thing of George W. Bush.
You know, Michael Brown and Katrina.
Heck of a job, Brownie.
He should have fired him almost immediately as it became clear that he was not cut out to run FEMA in this situation.
He declined firing Rumsfeld when Rumsfeld was willing to go.
There's a number of instances where he kind of stuck with people out of personal loyalty and it ended up backfiring.
I just think that this is, again, it's one of those situations where things rhyme and people end up getting fired.
ian crossland
Cowardice.
Bush was a coward.
He had Cheney run the military.
Trump's a coward.
He wants people to like him so he won't make hard decisions.
ben domenech
I wouldn't necessarily say cowardice.
We forget sometimes that politicians are human.
And I think that one of the things that animates them so much, it's similar to actors.
No offense to Mr. Page is that they have this deep hole in their heart that needs to be filled with something, whether that's adulation or praise or affirmation.
I mean, there's a reason that so many great politicians have parents who are drunks.
tim pool
That describes Donald Trump.
And he puts his name in giant gold letters on top of buildings all over the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
The joke is that he, you know, his, he was neglected.
I mean, the left argues he was literally abused or neglected by his father.
ian crossland
He was letting Bolton run the show until he saw that people hated him on Twitter.
And he's like, Oh, got to get rid of him.
So people like me.
tim pool
So the American conservative wrote fire Bolton, hire Tulsi.
And I was clapping.
I'm like, yeah, it's like, she absolutely get rid of this guy.
ben domenech
But I think that this is a situation where, once again, we now have a political situation that is dominated by the olds, by the people who have nothing in common with all the people who you were just talking about.
We had three presidents from the same birth year.
1946, okay?
It had George W. Bush, it had Bill Clinton, and it had Donald Trump.
They were all born within seven months of each other.
And if you think about it, they're all kind of the different aspects of boomerism.
tim pool
Yeah.
ben domenech
Like Clinton, the kind of, you know, hippie higher ed, you know, George W. kind of the the miscreant, like the guy who kind of had a rough time but then kind of made good frat boy.
Yeah.
And then Trump is kind of the rat pack, you know, hold over, you know, over the top Vegas, you know.
tim pool
Where are the young people in this in this, you know?
ben domenech
Well, we just went older.
We just went to our first silent generation era.
We went older than the baby boom.
ian crossland
He snapped his foot playing with his dog.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Listen, I'm going to say it again.
Joe Biden is the worst thing to happen to this country.
Listen.
There's a lot of, I'm sure Joe's fine in a lot of ways, he's bad in a lot of ways, but for what this country is going through right now, the worst possible thing that could happen is Joe Biden.
You know why?
ian crossland
Because he's frail.
tim pool
Every Republican hates him, or for the most part doesn't like him, and half the Democrats don't like him.
He only got elected, arguably, from the right, they'll say because of fraud, but in the surface level approach, people voted against Trump.
ben domenech
Yes.
tim pool
Against Trump, meaning, at a time when we are more polarized than ever and we need strong leadership to unite us, What we get is nothing.
We have no president.
We have no leader.
ben domenech
People hate-voted, dude.
I really say this with hope that it is not true.
But the worst president in American history, from my perspective, is James Buchanan.
And obviously he led to civil war.
ian crossland
Can you explain why?
ben domenech
James Buchanan was a feckless and corrupt guy who really was completely unprepared for the kind of strife that was coming into the country.
Ultimately, he was obviously followed by Abraham Lincoln, and we immediately went into civil war because of it.
Now, I'm not predicting that, and I want to make clear that I'm not predicting that, but it has a similar flavor to it of someone who is just...
Elected for a lot of reasons that don't have to do with him and then shows himself to be very ill-suited for the historic moment that he inhabits.
And I really worry that that's what we're facing right now.
tim pool
Maybe Donald Trump convinces... Look, Pennsylvania says they're not going to come into session.
They say we need five days for a joint resolution.
Maybe Trump gets a lightning strike three times.
Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona.
But guess what?
You know what's really interesting?
ben domenech
No one's that lucky in a casino.
tim pool
I've been saying it since the 7th.
I think it's astronomically likely.
I shouldn't say it that way.
The odds are extremely in Joe Biden's favor to the point where it's like 99.99%.
But the reason I reserved that little bit, actually early on I said it was probably like 97, because Trump still had these lawsuits and he still had, the states weren't certified.
Now we're at a point where it's like winning the lottery three times in a row for Trump to pull it off.
Yeah, it's never gonna happen.
I can't say never, but... I wouldn't say never.
I wouldn't say never.
Because listen, listen, we had these hearings, okay, and people are freaked out.
It doesn't mean it's likely at all, it just means the door... Here's the way I put it.
There's a gleam, men!
that Trump is on at the end of that track.
ben domenech
There's a gleam, men.
There's a gleam.
tim pool
Well, listen, yes, there's a train track.
Trump's train is on it and it is headed towards a door that means re-election.
But in between are loop-de-loops, jumps, boulders, trees falling over, and it's like, I don't
see it making there.
Maybe.
unidentified
Extremely unlikely.
ben domenech
Have you looked back at the election of 1876?
Yes, yes.
tim pool
That was when they appointed a council to determine the president.
unidentified
It was crazy.
It was absolutely crazy.
ben domenech
But it also puts in perspective how, like, I know 1876 seems like a long time ago, but that just shows, like, our American bias.
tim pool
Almost 150 years.
ben domenech
You know, like like there are people who are who are walking around who's like that was their grandpa who was around, you know, during the presidency.
tim pool
Well, I was I was listening to the radio once and it was a beer commercial.
It was an import.
And they were like, our beer is protected by the fine beer law of 1217.
And I was like, wow.
Like the United States doesn't go back that far, you know?
ben domenech
We are so incredibly young as a nation.
ian crossland
I was just thinking, in order for us to have a normal conversation and just talk about this stuff, we have to have our own social network.
It has to be a mesh network so we don't have an ISP.
We have to be off the banking system and have crypto only because the banks can all shut us down.
We have to have our own electricity on site and our own water supply on site because the government can shut off our water Just to have a normal conversation publicly.
tim pool
But listen, if you actually, you know, these people, the Green New Deal types and the leftists, everything you described should be exactly what they're striving for.
Get people off the grid so that they're self-sustainable.
Get people, why do we have lawns, just grass?
And then do we mow the grass and we throw it in the compost?
ian crossland
What a waste!
We gotta grow our own food!
tim pool
Yeah, why don't we grow potatoes?
What if you turn your front lawn into a potato field?
And then you have food.
ian crossland
You don't have to grow your own food, because you can go buy stuff with crypto.
But if you can't turn your crypto into cash, fiat, because you don't have a bank, because the Swift payment system has cut you out, has banned your person.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
And if we all became more self-sufficient, that would have less of an impact on us.
If we could grow our own food, if we had our own energy in our homes.
ian crossland
Just so you can talk without being censored.
ben domenech
Do you think, though, that the lockdowns and everything have been have improved the possibility of that or no decreased.
tim pool
Yes it's now you got people saying government why won't you give me free food exactly exactly I got a guy in my
backyard.
You know look we moved I moved out to the middle of nowhere because I don't want to be forced to live under their boot
when they start locking you down telling you can and can't go to
the store you can't go out at night you eventually run out of
the limited food you have living in the city.
And then you're just sitting there saying, please, government, can I now eat?
ben domenech
OK, can I can I speak to that?
So I was born in Mississippi, grew up a little bit in South Carolina, and then we moved to rural Virginia, which is actually about.
You know, an area where before the big tech boom, before all of these companies moved in, it was all rural farmland and farmland that was starting to be chopped up into suburbs, but still homes that had tons of land and the like.
And living in that area, you were surrounded by two types of people.
You know, a very rural area.
Basically, it was people who, their families had lived there for ages.
They were used to being incredibly self-sufficient.
You know, when winter came, if they were up, you know, sort of in the Blue Ridge, they could, you know, live up there and be fine for ages.
And then you had these people who were moving there, often from California and the like, to staff these jobs at, then it was AOL and MCI Worldcom and places like that, that were the first ones coming in.
And the differences between the kids could not have been greater in terms of expectations about life and what was self-sufficiency and things like that.
And seeing the early stages of like helicopter parenting as a trend at the same time that there were families where it was like, oh yeah, the little kid, they'll just go off and they'll take care of themselves and they'll come back.
Total divide.
And I feel like as a country, we're seeing that helicopter approach just completely take over.
And the worry that I've had, and I've said this since this whole thing began, I had a conversation with a friend of mine.
who does a great podcast called The Fifth Column.
And we were going back and forth and he said, you know, I'm worried that we're going to see revolution.
We're going to see people with guns in the streets, you know, and that they're going to be fighting and killing politicians and things like.
And I said, my worry is they're just going to go along with all this because the American people are too docile now.
They don't have that self-sufficiency gene anymore.
It's been smothered.
And I just think that everything that's happened since has vindicated that.
tim pool
I have said over and over again that Republicans will probably just roll over, you know, put their feet up and accept it.
And I mean the Republican politicians.
Their concept.
Oh yes.
ben domenech
That is their business.
That is their nature.
unidentified
It's the frog and the scorpion.
tim pool
The people, I think, are going to get angry.
ben domenech
Yes.
tim pool
We're out in the middle of nowhere and I was talking to a guy who lives Kind of a bit a ways away, but I would consider it to be relatively local because we're in the middle of nowhere.
And he was, man, you could see it in his eyes.
Just like he's ready.
He said, if Donald Trump told me, you know, come out, bring your weapons.
And I was like, dude, dude, dude, dude, whoa.
But Reuters ran a story saying something similar.
That they interviewed Trump supporters and they said, if Trump need only give the word and they'll be out with their guns.
That's the regular American.
And that, I mean, look, I believe it because that's what America was.
America was founded by people who are like F.U.
government.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben domenech
So did you did you see the whole principle that is the only thing good about that Mark Mark Wahlberg remake of the of the gambler?
is the speech that John Goodman gives about how America is built on the principle of F-U.
tim pool
Yeah.
ben domenech
You have an army?
You're the biggest empire in the world?
F-U!
tim pool
Did you see the, we have this story, the We the People Convention?
Did you see this?
ben domenech
Ah, yes, yes.
tim pool
This letter?
So we have this ad.
They say, We the People Convention.
Exercising extraordinary authority in defense of our vote may be required because martial law is better than civil war.
They're going to talk about what Lincoln did.
He ordered hundreds of northern newspapers that spoke against him to be shut down.
Lincoln ordered the arrest of Ohio Congressman Clement Vallandingham for the crime of speaking out against him.
Chief Justice of the U.S.
Roger Taney ruled that Lincoln had violated the U.S.
Constitution when he illegally suspended the writ of habeas corpus.
After hearing this, Lincoln signed an arrest warrant to have the Chief Justice of the U.S.
arrested.
Lincoln ordered the arrest of thousands in Maryland for the crime of suspected Southern sympathies, including ordering the arrest of U.S.
Congressman Henry May from Maryland.
These people were arrested and held in military prisons without trial, some of them for years.
And guess what?
There are people who are calling for this right now.
The point of this ad being taken out was to tell Trump to do it.
They say we have well-funded armed and trained Marxists and Antifa and BLM
strategically positioned in our major cities acting openly with violence to
silence opposition for their anti-American agenda, attacking federal buildings when police,
cowardly punching innocent people.
I mean, I'm not gonna read this whole thing.
You know what?
He won't.
Let me read you the end.
ian crossland
But I think you're right that Biden is this incompetent lackluster that for four years it's gonna brew and someone is gonna do that.
ben domenech
Well, the problem is just look at the reaction that was the non-reaction that we saw during the summer.
Which I would actually argue is the point where any of the honest polls started to be completely wrong because white people in Wisconsin who you're trying to pull on your attitude towards BLM are absolutely not going to tell you that they hate it.
But the reaction from Biden was basically Come on, man.
unidentified
Come on, man.
ben domenech
Stop setting stuff on fire.
tim pool
Well, to be fair, his reaction was more Trinidad and a shot of pressure.
ian crossland
So he's like Buchanan, this crap nobody.
ben domenech
It's the sort of situation where I think you have these, to what you were just saying, you have these things brewing and festering and getting more and more intense.
And then when things start burning and the flame turns up, here's the thing, white cops
have not stopped shooting unarmed black men.
Someone will, that will happen within the next couple of months.
Now it'll happen to, it happens to a much lesser degree than you would think that it
happens based on the media.
But the way that it plays out and this response that Biden has to it, what is he going to
This is going to be a situation where he's caught between the defund the police side of things that is frustrated and doesn't like the fact that they're being blamed for Democrat losses and this octogenarian leadership that Democrats have in Nancy Pelosi and the heads of the House.
It's amazing that we have this situation.
By the way, Matt Stoller, I think, had a great tweet about them naming Janet Yellen to Treasury
Secretary.
He's like, finally the octogenarians of the Democratic leadership are passing it along
to the younger subtuagenarians.
But seriously, I don't think that he can manage that situation.
If he does, we can all raise our hands and say, hey, thank God for Joe Biden.
But I just think that this is not a moment that demanded this.
It's a moment that demanded a lot more leadership.
tim pool
Let me read the beginning of this ad.
talking about calling it's calling on Trump to declare martial law and they
say on June 12th 1863 Lincoln defended his extreme measures and a letter
published in the New York Times citing article 1 of the Constitution he argued
ours is a case of rebellion in fact a clear flagrant and gigantic case of
rebellion and the provision of the Constitution that quote the privilege of
the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless when in cases of
rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it is the provision which
specifically applies to our present case.
Lincoln used the same reasoning in justifying a series of extraordinary presidential orders.
ben domenech
You know, I would encourage people to, I think Lincoln had a very different context than the current moment.
tim pool
It literally had seven states secede from the Union.
ben domenech
Yes, I mean I just don't think that we're going to, and we shouldn't pretend that we are, but what I do think is we
invest way too much in our politicians than we have as a nation for far too long.
We define ourselves by who our president is when I think we should be defined by who we are as neighbors and who we are in our communities and what those look like because they're closer to home.
But go ahead.
tim pool
I think we need to return more to local-level politics, the way the country was originally founded.
ben domenech
There's a C.S.
Lewis line though about the dangers of newspapers, you know, the main media of his day,
where he says that the problem with them is that they bring all the sorrows of the world
to your doorstep every morning.
And you focus, I'm paraphrasing, but he basically says, and that dominates your focus as opposed
to the neighbor, to the friend, to the place that you can walk to
where you can actually make a difference.
And that, to me, the sorrows of all the world thing is totally what animates this current dominating
leadership factor that says, you know, we need to be everywhere and solving everything
in every aspect of every life as the federal government.
As opposed to saying, you know, the Chesterfield line, the politicians you care about the most
should be close enough to kick.
tim pool
Well, so originally, you know, before the 17th amendment, senators were appointed.
They were voted on by the state legislatures.
Because we lived in a state.
And we were citizens of a state.
That was part of a union.
So we would vote at the state level, and then things would move on up.
Same thing with the Electoral College.
We were in the state, we had our electors, we voted for them, then they went, and we trusted them to do the right thing.
Now everything is all about the federal government.
And you've got Republicans who understand the difference and are like, leave me alone.
And the left who thinks we're just one big country, period.
They don't understand the point of jurisdictions and states and sovereignty.
ben domenech
Yeah.
Somewhere, somewhere, uh, some person is doing something that I think is totally wrong from my apartment in Brooklyn.
Uh, and even if I've never been to that state or heard of this place before right now, I'm very mad about it.
And I'm going to be very loud online to get it to change.
tim pool
Remember when, I think it was, I don't remember exactly what triggered it, but you had that, you know, Beto O'Rourke, you know, heck yes, we're going to take your guns.
And then, you know, Biden appointing him.
You had that guy who tweeted, what am I supposed to do if they take away my air 15?
What am I supposed to do if 13 to 50, what was it?
ben domenech
Feral hogs.
unidentified
Was it, was it, was it 13 to 43 or something like that?
ben domenech
I don't, I don't know the number off the top of my head.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah.
Have you heard the interviews with the guy since then?
tim pool
No, no, no.
ben domenech
Oh, they're phenomenal.
So some basically, I think it was either Radio Lab or one of these other podcasts dug into,
found this guy, interviewed him a couple of times and talked about this very real incident
tim pool
he had.
ben domenech
30 to 50.
30 to 50, where all of these feral hogs had come into the backyard and he had to run out
and shoot his gun to scare them away from his kids who were playing out there.
And then what was funny about the podcast is like this this, you know, again, New York based, I think, you know, interviewer starts researching the whole feral hog problem and suddenly discovers that, like, it's a real thing.
This is a real thing.
It's a huge deal.
Lots of people care about it.
And it's really controversial in places like Oklahoma.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben domenech
And and they live in it.
tim pool
They live in an urban bubble.
Yeah.
I was having a conversation with someone.
There was an argument on Facebook, and these people were arguing about guns and stuff.
And the one person's like, it's ridiculous, you know, guns need to be controlled.
And I responded with, where I live, I live in the middle of nowhere.
Who do I call?
No, I have guns.
I have many, many guns.
And we're elevated.
And we have excellent positioning.
I made a joke recently.
It wasn't a joke.
It was like, I didn't know what it was called.
I called it a deer sniper tower.
And then all of the conservatives who know it's a deer blinds are laughing.
And I'm like, I don't know.
It's just a tower you shoot from.
So I called it a sniper tower.
Yeah, deer blind.
ben domenech
We actually have, I have several friends including a couple of my employees who hunt feral hogs regularly because they're lots of fun to hunt.
tim pool
But it's a really good example of why we have different laws in different jurisdictions and why a republic makes so much sense.
ben domenech
Not a big feral hog problem in Brooklyn or Bay Area.
tim pool
Exactly.
And so so if Brooklyn says we're going to have these certain restrictions on certain things, not necessarily guns because the Second Amendment, but let's say they're like, we don't want people riding around on, you know, you know, electric skateboards or whatever, because this thing happens.
Well, if you live in the middle of nowhere, like skateboards on an issue, you might have a different law for it.
It makes sense.
What's happening now is with with the left and Democrats thinking we're just one big country.
They're like, everyone should have like no guns, all guns banned.
ben domenech
You just need to think of feral hogs the same way that you think of bike lanes.
It's a local nuisance for you to deal with.
But again, the government that is closest to the people governs best and governs, I
think, most honestly.
And in this situation, we have nationalized everything with a media that has fewer and
fewer outlets across the country.
I mean, this year we had reporters on the ground covering the election to the extent
that it was happening in 29 states.
And that's with an organization of 14 people and a bunch of stringers and freelance contributors.
And so frequently, they would run into scenarios where they were on the ground, and CNN would leave.
And all of these sort of national places would come in, do a quick hit, and then they would get out.
And you saw that most crazily in the Kenosha incident, where you had that New York Times reporter who was there already to cover it.
And she told the Daily, you know, I was told by some of the cops they thought it would be worse tonight, so I left and I went home.
And so why do we have the footage that we have?
Because of outlets that didn't even exist 20 years ago.
tim pool
Because of real journalists.
ben domenech
Because of Daily Caller journalists.
Because of Town Hall.
Because of BG on the Ground.
tim pool
Because of Richie McGinnis.
lydia smith
We talked to those people who did that and they're like, those people were leaving at 7pm when it was getting dark.
We're like, we're just getting started.
ben domenech
And that was the basis for everything that we knew about that situation and we'll obviously figure in Kyle Rittenhouse's trial.
Like, that's how the New York Times fails us.
That's how these entities fail us.
tim pool
The New York Times did one good thing when they analyzed the video feeds.
ben domenech
That was great, okay.
tim pool
But they weren't there.
And what they don't tell you is that when we actually had the DC riot crew here talking about it, What we learned from not just that group, which is the Daily Caller group of journalists, but some other journalists who are on the ground too, is that in Kenosha, the rioters had set a dumpster on fire and were pushing it into a gas station.
And Kyle Rittenhouse and his group were putting the fires out.
And that's why he got attacked.
That's why he was chased.
That's why some dude fired into the air or whatever.
He turned around, returned fire.
It was because they were pushing a flaming dumpster into a gas station.
We had multiple witnesses on this show tell us that.
New York Times doesn't talk about that.
It's not in the mainstream narrative.
ben domenech
And in the minds of the corporate media, and many people have obviously said this, oh yeah, no, he was like some white supremacist or something like that.
tim pool
And now the Daily Beast is saying, you know, Joe Biden called for unity.
They said, you want me to unify with the supporters of white supremacist Kyle Rittenhouse.
And it's like, well, you're wrong.
This is what I was saying before about the low information side.
They don't actually know because there's a variety of reasons.
They lie, they're activists, or they just genuinely don't pay attention.
Covington, you know, the Covington kids incident is a good example.
But what happens when you have people like us that are substantially better informed?
Eventually someone's going to be like, we can't just sit back and let dumb people run everything into the ground, crash the plane.
ben domenech
Well, but the split that you were talking about before you said the two and you said it was more, I would argue that, you know, basically it's, it's two splits that are significant population.
There's a small population of, of elite establishment people who actually run most of the things that happen in the country consistently.
And then there is a mass of people who are disaffected.
And who can only really be brought in by major moments that animate them to pay attention to politics, which is something that Trump was.
Right.
And something, I would argue, that coronavirus was in a way that they were manipulated, I think, by media and by big tech to come out and vote for someone who they really didn't know or particularly care for, but were scared into doing for a lot of different reasons.
Anyway, setting that aside, that disaffected group is the one that I'm worried about navigating this next period the most.
Because they're not the ones, as we were saying before, who know about the pronoun stuff, who know that that's going to impact their work and the future of their kids, who don't have enough engagement, and frankly, who have seen their kids be completely destroyed by this online fake form of education that is, you know, the teachers unions effectively forced on an entire generation of kids, and it's going to have long ranging consequences for them.
ian crossland
It looks like the economy or 27 trillion in debt.
Now, it looks like early, you know, the Great Depression, how many people got screwed in the Great Depression, a lot of people lost almost Everything.
They weren't prepared for it.
And if these people are just so checked out, this huge segment of people have their money in mutual funds, and they're just letting a guy move their money around for them, waiting for their retirement check.
Dude, if the dollar really crashes, that's the biggest debt we've ever seen.
And it's just escalating.
They just printed $3 trillion.
Now they're talking about doing another $3 trillion.
$902 billion relief package going to come out?
ben domenech
So that bill, I mean, it is going to be such a mess.
It's so hilarious to me how the most bipartisan thing that Washington does is spend money.
They spend your money.
They love to spend your money.
I was on this, it was a think tank gathering, and they were going down the panel of like, you know, what do you expect to come out of the next two years?
And I was just like, Are you kidding?
They're just going to spend a ton of money.
That's all that's going to happen.
They're not going to pass anything that fixes anything in any real way.
It's just going to be money, money, money.
ian crossland
So the fear is if these people aren't prepared and we go through another depression, another stock market crash or whatever could happen, that they go hungry and go insane.
Don't live in a city.
And then start eating each other, not maybe figuratively.
tim pool
No, no, no.
People don't realize.
ian crossland
Crying and freezing to death.
tim pool
10 plus million.
How many people in the New York metro?
13 million?
ben domenech
I don't know what it is now.
It's changed so much.
tim pool
Yeah, that's true.
Well, only about 400,000 to half a million have left, according to much of the different reports.
ben domenech
Personally, I think it's more than that.
Yeah, you're probably right.
And I only think that's going to accelerate based on just the initial stuff that we have from Anvil, the company that does the cards that you use to go into the different buildings.
It's like way lower than they expected in terms of people going into office buildings.
It's like one-fifth or one-fourth of what they expected.
tim pool
That is technically a good thing because people don't realize what would happen if the supply chain into New York completely shattered.
No food and no waste removal.
Right.
And people would be literally eating each other in a matter of like a week, maybe weeks or more.
ben domenech
Even before coronavirus, I would walk out onto the street out of this, you know, beautiful sort of apartment building, and there would be this giant pile of trash.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, in Philly.
ben domenech
And to me, like, that's one of the reasons, look, I think New York is a great city, OK?
One of the greatest cities in the world, if not the greatest city in the world.
I would argue a little bit for London as being that.
But the experience of, like, the high class people who are spending a crap ton of money to live in this area, Then still have to walk outside and smell that garbage every day.
And to be like, I'd rather live in the country where, you know, you walk out and you don't smell.
ian crossland
Remember Sandy when it flooded?
Lower Manhattan, all the power went out.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
And people were skating on the, like the knocked over bus station, bus stands.
It was amazing.
ian crossland
That was one day.
tim pool
The power was out for weeks, wasn't it?
ian crossland
I'm not sure.
tim pool
I remember there were there were two guys staying outside of a bodega with like two by fours and there was a line and they're like one person at a time and I went in and the guy was like the perishables are basically gone like the stuff in the fridge the milk Sorry, but the canned goods you can still buy I was like wow and they'd like like there was no electricity at all and they had guards out in front of the building protecting it and I was like cash only and walk out.
ben domenech
That's amazing.
tim pool
You know who got their power turned on first?
unidentified
Who?
tim pool
Upper West Side.
It's all those super rich people.
ben domenech
They hired the money!
tim pool
Oh, yeah, I mean.
Well, the city's basically like, this is where our tax revenue is generated.
We better make sure they can keep working.
ben domenech
The city will come back.
I believe that.
But it's gonna take a lot longer than people think it will.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
But will it come back in a way that we would consider it to be, like, coming back?
ben domenech
You know, I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- I think- And I think a large part of that is that people have realized during the course of this period that they can work from places that are a lot nicer, where they have more flexibility, where they can be at a slight remove from people.
And I think that that is just ingrained in a way in American consciousness in a way that it wasn't before that allows them to move to new places and say, look, I can find a community of like-minded people and I don't need to Spend as much as I was spending in New York, plus the taxes that they're going to have to raise in order to make up this huge revenue split.
tim pool
Super Chats!
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
It's about time we ask the audience what they have in mind.
ian crossland
What up, audience?
tim pool
So if you are chillin', hit that like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell, and get your Super Chats in now.
We're gonna start going through them.
You know, we can't go through everybody as, you know, as often.
I say this all the time, but we try to read as many as possible.
So let's read some of these Super Chats.
Let's see.
Gone Fall says, The hearing today in A.R.
confirms that legislatures will fight.
Also a legislature in A.R.
at the end said they had unofficial hearings because no one would let them.
They were also sent threats.
In A.R.?
What was that?
ian crossland
A hearing in Arkansas?
tim pool
But there was a hearing in Arkansas?
I didn't hear about that.
ben domenech
I didn't hear about that.
Does he mean Arizona maybe?
tim pool
No, the hearing wasn't in Arizona.
It was a Michigan hearing today.
ben domenech
Yeah, but there was an Arizona one the other day.
I didn't hear about an Arkansas one.
unidentified
Sorry.
All right.
tim pool
I got one here, but we got to issue a correction.
Raven Writing Desk says, Common Sense died the day the woman won in the courts because a coffee cup didn't have a warning label that said it's hot.
ben domenech
I remember that.
tim pool
That's a myth.
That's not true.
lydia smith
I remember that.
tim pool
So the issue was that a woman was given a cup of coffee that was boiling from McDonald's, and she accidentally spilled it.
And what had happened was McDonald's had been warned several times that their coffee was... Too hot.
It was too hot.
McDonald's said even though people had been injured in the past, the reason they maintained the boiling temperature, which was causing injuries to many people, was because by the time they got to the office, the coffee was cold.
So they tell everybody, make the coffee super hot.
People had been complaining endlessly and McDonald's said they didn't care.
She initially only asked for them to cover the medical bills because what reasonable person expects to be handed a cup of boiling liquid?
Because you're gonna drink it, right?
She was a passenger.
They denied her.
They wouldn't give her medical expenses of like $10,000.
And she suffered horrific burns.
It wasn't like she spilled hot coffee.
It was like her skin fell off.
And it was in her lap.
And so, long story short, she ended up suing and winning a lot more, and then I think she even donated a bunch of it, because it was not about having caution hot on it.
It was like, why are you handing boiling cups of water to people?
Anyway.
ben domenech
I love those mythical, but everyone knows about them stories.
They're so good.
Urban legend.
tim pool
We got the correction.
GoneFall says, I meant to say AZ.
Sorry, I always get it mixed.
unidentified
Arizona.
ben domenech
So the Arizona thing, one of the things that I think people will learn about coming out of this experience is how The laws that we have on the books only offer for recounts and audits that are automatic at very low thresholds.
For instance, in Arizona, it would have had to be under 1,000 votes in terms of a difference for them to have that triggered, and there's not a request process.
So this is another one of those things where, in the interim, between this time and the midterm, A lot of states need to look at how we're going to look at and audit, you know, elections that are close, but, you know, maybe have a little bit more of a leeway here for that kind of thing.
tim pool
So someone said to, uh, Mick Hatton says, look at Lin- look at Linward Twitter.
It's apparently fake news, I guess, referencing what Bill Barr said.
And there's a tweet from it says, time to fire AG Bill Barr.
Lies about Dominion.
No action on Epstein, Durham, Hunter Biden laptop, or Wiener laptop.
A stolen election now being ignored.
We need patriots helping Donald Trump if we are to save our country and freedom.
I don't agree with that.
Perhaps I should have kept my powder dry on Bill Barr until he speaks formally or issues
a press release.
The AP article is likely propaganda.
I know for a fact it contains a number of false statements about Sidney Powell and her
investigation we'll see."
ben domenech
I don't agree with that.
I think that the AP article is probably correct and it is in Barr's character to go to the
AP as opposed to some of the other places that he has beef with.
tim pool
But consider he said to this date we have not seen evidence that would have changed
ben domenech
And he speaks very carefully and intentionally, so don't, like, cut that out.
We didn't actually get to talk about Durham.
Did you want to do that at all?
tim pool
We could a little bit.
We got super chats to go through.
We might have kind of, you know, missed the train on that one.
ben domenech
Yeah, so just real quickly, I think that the naming of Durham as a special counsel obviously keeps him protected, makes sure that he has additional time.
I also think it's a statement, frankly, of failure in terms of the selection of him that went so slow and never got us the answers during the time that I think it would have mattered when it came to the election.
tim pool
Eve Welcome says Barr has blood on his hands with Ruby Ridge and Waco.
His fealty to the constitution and our nation is tenuous at best.
This is interesting because, you know, I didn't know this, but I know a bunch of conservatives when I, when I bring up Barr and I'm like, I appreciate, you know, some of the things he said he's, he's, you know, he's been reasonable and they're like, Oh, Barr's horrible.
Talking about Waco and, you know, getting the, a lot of, yeah, I don't want to get into the horrific things.
ian crossland
He was involved with burning those people alive.
tim pool
Protecting federal agents who killed people, essentially.
Things like that, you know.
I don't know too much about it, so.
ian crossland
Another cog in the machine!
tim pool
Oh man, we got one for Ian.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
Oh my god, this is awesome.
It says, Ian, you can be the next superhero we need.
Keep up the energy.
Hit the gym.
Wear a Tim Foyle hat and hang out with Alex Jones and give him hell.
ian crossland
Okay, I'm gonna start doing push-ups in the morning.
ben domenech
Yes.
ian crossland
Thank you.
lydia smith
Yes, do it.
tim pool
Eat more protein.
ben domenech
I mean, I don't know Durham enough to be... I don't really have a lot of hope for anything coming out of this, but I do think that Barr, without his presence in this administration, the president never would have had a shot at re-election.
I think he really turned a corner in a significant way and was an indispensable person in what he was able to achieve.
tim pool
Delta 7 says, this will not push you guys to more secure voting.
The experience we have here in Latin America with what you have now, is that once this is accepted, it will only get worse.
That's how it begun for us here.
Yeah?
ian crossland
I've been talking about blockchain voting, like a chicken with my head cut off.
I did get, people did contact me with some data on it, which I can read now if you guys want to hear anything.
tim pool
Blockchain voting?
ian crossland
Let me see, this guy sent me... Well, start pulling up, I'll read some more.
Yeah, I'll pull it up now.
tim pool
Let's see.
Delta 7 says, or I'm sorry, Bruh Bruh says, y'all haven't seen anything yet.
Secret Service have evidence that will be coming out soon inside info.
It implicates Biden and others in DNC.
And that sounds very exciting.
I would love to see it.
Until then, I'm gonna, you know, I can't operate on what I haven't seen and no evidence, so.
Delta 7 says, my impression is that you are trying to play the leftist game but do not understand how they operate.
It's not using logic or reason.
We in Latin America did that mistake.
They don't play by the rules and they don't care.
ben domenech
Well, as long as we're talking about Latin America, you know, one of the dangers that is in Jorge Castaneda's book that talks about mañana forever is that we will become more like Mexico during this period.
And I don't mean that as to denigrate Mexico, but basically, historically, you have a situation
there where you have the powerful and you have the mob, and the mob appeals to the powerful,
asks for answers or redress or essentially to fix their problem, and the powerful use
this moment to their advantage, and that just repeats over and over again, and you replace
the powerful person with a new person.
And part of that has to do with the fact that they have very little civic engagement.
They don't have the kind of community organizations that you would traditionally have, and so
you end up with a situation where the cartel basically runs the government.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know what the cartels are doing now?
ian crossland
Starting social media networks?
tim pool
No, no, no.
ben domenech
No.
tim pool
The cartels were big in drugs, right?
ben domenech
Yes.
tim pool
We started legalizing some of those, so you know what they're trafficking now?
ian crossland
Kids.
unidentified
People.
tim pool
Avocados.
ben domenech
Avocados?
tim pool
No joke.
Avocados.
It's all about the money.
It's not about, you know, illegal.
It's like, can we make money?
unidentified
Well, the avocados are where it's at.
ben domenech
My favorite brief Biden attempt to reach out to Hispanic voters, which failed so magnificently, was when the DNC and a bunch of other places were running ads describing Trump negatively as a cordial.
A strongman, okay?
Now, it includes the idea that he is an untoward strongman, that he is partially criminal or corrupt, but he's also a strongman who gets things done.
And they ran a bunch of ads about this, and then they stopped it after a piece in the Washington Post, some op-ed from some reporter who was like, why are you guys doing this?
Because lots of people like Cordillos.
They like the guy, the strongman in the community who can get things done.
tim pool
So we got one from MK90 Tier 1 asset says, Sour Patch Lids.
I'm a Marine stationed in Japan.
Would be my date for the Marine Corps Ball 2021.
I'm not, I can't assume there is a would you be, but the you isn't there.
So I'll just have to leave it to you to message MK90.
lydia smith
I appreciate the offer.
Thanks for thinking of me.
ian crossland
So let me give you some data about blockchain voting.
This is something we've talked about.
tim pool
Wait, wait, before we do, we have a super chat that, what just happened?
ian crossland
I just had it.
tim pool
Super duper.
Oh, okay, there it is.
Right.
June Seth says, blockchain voting makes absolutely no sense.
I was the host of a very popular Bitcoin podcast.
I know quite a bit about the tech.
You have to be a complete nutter to pursue blockchain voting.
Anyway, you were saying, Ian?
unidentified
Okay, so let me pursue blockchain voting for a moment, Tim.
tim pool
This is a real super chat.
ian crossland
This was sent to me from someone of mine named Chris in Iowa, and it's a Pretty interesting explanation of how we could use blockchain with our voting system and keep it legit.
It reads as follows.
At printing time on each ballot, a blockchain is created and burned into the ballot.
This would uniquely identify the individual ballot who printed it and who authorized its printing.
At the voting precinct, when a voter arrives to vote, the election worker places the ballot into a burner again, which burns another entry into the blockchain, this time identifying the precinct where it was issued and the worker that issued it.
The voter completes the ballot and then takes it to a third station where it's scanned and the voter has a chance to review the conclusions on the scan.
If they dispute the ballot, they can take it back to the workers who then burn a spoiled ballot entry into the blockchain.
If they accept it, the scan of the ballot, then they insert their driver's license or voting ID, which needs to have its own anonymous private key.
A final blockchain entry is burned in using the tabulating machine's identity.
The voter's anonymous public key and the results that the tabulating... Okay, so a final blockchain entry is burned in using the tabulating machine's identity.
The voter's anonymous public key and the results that the tabulating machine came to.
tim pool
Let me stop you right there.
ian crossland
Let me finish it because it's almost done.
tim pool
Well, but this is really esoteric.
ian crossland
It's going to be hard to... The paper... Well, this is just so it's logged.
We can watch it, listen to it again if you have questions and you want to listen to it again.
The paper ballot is then stored as normal.
So there's three blockchain things that'll be marked.
The ballots are still mostly anonymous, but the entire history of the ballot creation, issuance, and scan is burned into the ballot.
tim pool
So what you're saying is you want in-person paper ballots with voter ID laws?
ian crossland
Yeah, with a blockchain.
tim pool
Great.
Let's do hard paper ballots that must be done in person.
And you got to present your ID and not only present, you got to scan it into a machine that verifies on the blockchain.
I am down.
That is blockchain voting.
Wonderful.
unidentified
I agree.
Right?
tim pool
You agree?
ben domenech
As long as as long as we can actually still I mean, there's still districts where we haven't finished counts.
tim pool
I know California, New York.
ben domenech
I mean, it's just it's embarrassing.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben domenech
You know, I mean, come on.
Are we the leaders of the free world or not?
No, we're not.
ian crossland
We're not.
China is, by the way, because they're totalitarian, muscling the global economy.
ben domenech
I mean, you saw, I'm sure, this story the other day.
Nike, Coca-Cola, and Apple lobbying against this bill that, you know, bans products produced with slave labor from China.
lydia smith
Fascinating.
ben domenech
In the New York Times, by the way, they wrote this.
ian crossland
I want the United States to be the leaders of the world.
ben domenech
Sorry to interrupt.
Well, that's, it's good.
And we could be.
ian crossland
We got our heads up for it.
tim pool
You know, there's just, there's, I think our politicians, I think we have no leaders.
You can probably count on one hand the politicians we have in Washington who are actual leaders.
ben domenech
I think you're right about that, but I also think there's an additional problem, which is that we have incentivized politicians to become basically hype men for their side of the party.
tim pool
They're influencers.
ben domenech
They're influencers.
tim pool
That's it.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
AOC is the perfect example of this.
ben domenech
Exactly.
And it's not about actually getting anything done.
And I think, unfortunately, we have reached a point in politics where anybody who actually is a leader in their community, a significant person in their neighborhood, the kind of people who used to be able to rise up through the ranks, We've totally decentivized it by destroying everybody's family, tearing them up, engaged in the worst kind of identity and personal destruction that I think we've seen in our history.
And look, you can compare it back to the founders being nasty to each other in newspapers, but it really doesn't compare to the level of just animus and destruction that can be directed at people today.
tim pool
It's, it's, I wouldn't say, uh, I would, I would absolutely say what we are experiencing with this is not Trump's fault.
Trump is a symptom of whatever this is, not the cause of it.
But I do believe the future of politics is going to be, you can actually just see it by going to Ocasio-Cortez's Twitter account.
It's clapbacks.
It's, it's, it's meaningless, mindless, 280 character clapbacks with...
ben domenech
It's Nancy Pelosi tearing up the speech.
tim pool
Exactly.
So but that's that's kind of an analog old school.
What generation?
She's she's she's 80 now, isn't she?
So so what generation?
Is it a silent generation?
Oh my gosh.
But it's going to be like this, you know, AOC.
Did you see that thing she did with the painting where it was like the Green New Deal future?
And she was like, and the kids were all excited about being in Congress.
That's not what it's going to be like.
It's going to be like exactly what you were doing with your silly tweets where you're like, a Republican came in today and I was like, bro, I beat you on Among Us.
You ain't got nothing.
You were the imposter.
Dude, you didn't beat me.
You were talking about, I had 400,000 concurrence and people are going to vote for it.
They're going to be like, I'm voting for AOC because she won.
It's going to whittle down.
You know, what's funny is that it's almost like idiocracy, but what idiocracy didn't get right was social media.
ben domenech
My judge has been ahead of the curve at every single point in his career.
tim pool
You know that in Idiocracy, Camacho was a wrestler, right?
Trump's in the WWE Hall of Fame.
We're there, baby!
And it's gonna be just literal social media live streams and clapbacks.
No policy.
Nothing will make sense.
They'll pass bills that are meaningless.
It's the Green New Deal to help the environment, but it's loaded with critical race theory socialist policy.
ian crossland
It doesn't have to be like that, though.
tim pool
It doesn't have to be, but that's where people... Listen, man, look.
Look at how people have formed echo chambers on social media.
It's remarkable.
How people don't know things!
I gotta say, it's predominantly a failure of the left, because the right knows what the left is thinking, the left doesn't know what the right is thinking.
But man, it's like... I'll tell you a funny thing happened.
StickSexAndHammer. He's a great YouTuber. You're familiar with Sticks?
Yeah. I love that guy, man.
He made a meme. It was really funny. And it was like, he makes these paintbrush memes that are
funny. And it's a guy who's got a sickle and hammer or something. He says, I'm just a social
Democrat, not a socialist, but hey, you check out this really great books, you know, Karl Marx and
stuff and communism is great and all that.
So another YouTuber tweeted, so true, and a bunch of exclamation points.
And I responded with, so you admit it.
Clearly a joke.
To any reasonable thinking human being, I don't really think her snarky response to Styx was literally her being like, I'm a communist.
But all of the responses from these lefty socialist types were like, I can't believe it.
You really think she's confessing?
Oh my god.
These people have limited ability to think critically.
ian crossland
There's no tone in text.
They make up their own tone.
tim pool
There were a few people who were like, guys, please stop.
He's clearly not serious.
It's a meme.
Everyone's joking, having a good time.
No.
The point is...
ben domenech
When you make a joke that's that dry.
ian crossland
Too much text.
tim pool
But listen, listen, it's not, it's not so much to say that they were all dumb, but that they wanted the snapback fight.
They wanted the political issue to be like, oh yeah, well we're going to come at you because my side versus your side.
When I was literally just making a snarky dry joke.
ian crossland
I used to rail, when I make YouTube videos in like 2007, I was like, dude, text is going to be our downfall as humanity.
If we keep texting each other, people leaving these text comments, I'd be like, dude, speak to me with your voice.
Use your intonation so I can understand you.
And that's where we're at.
We're at people with these text storms and you're creating your own tone on what they wrote.
And so there's all this miscommunication.
tim pool
So I said this a while ago.
You gotta learn from Michael Malice, man.
He's a genius.
He just kind of rolls with it, and he tweets things, and when people clearly don't get it, he just goes with it.
It's hilarious.
So I just tweet stuff, and I just don't care anymore.
These people... Look.
ben domenech
It's better when you don't care.
tim pool
I have to actually put disclaimer, this is a joke, on some tweets.
And there was one I tweeted about the election.
It was on November 3rd at like midnight.
We got these two districts of like 10 and 20 people.
And they went for, like together they were for Trump by like six votes.
But that was the majority.
And so I tweeted, that's it.
I'm projecting Trump to be the winner with 0.000000013 reporting.
We can now, you know, calmly project Trump is the winner.
Congratulations.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Okay.
Antifa, you can start writing now.
And people were like, whoa, dude, dude, like you're going to get banned.
And I'm like, Come on.
Like that was such a ridiculous tweet.
You actually think?
I didn't get banned or anything for it.
I guess the people at Twitter, the moderators were like, that one's ridiculous enough for us to recognize.
He's not seriously.
But the rule was that if you called the election before it was done.
So like the moment we got any results, I was like, boom, I'm going to tweet this out.
It was funny.
ben domenech
The future, I think, of Congress and political leadership does look very bleak at the moment.
But one thing that I will say that I'm hopeful about is we're reaching the point where the octogenarians and the septuagenarians have to leave the room.
tim pool
Septuagenarian.
ben domenech
And that, to me, is a good sign, just because I think, you know, the degree to which people who are, let's just say, under 50 have more of a role at this point.
Some of those younger Gen Xers, some of the older millennials start being in the committee rooms.
We gotta do more Super Chats.
So being able to see through like big text BS without having to have it explained to
them by a much younger aid, I think that does have the potential to make a difference.
But we got to get beyond this moment where they're just meme makers and hype men.
ian crossland
Do you support term limits?
tim pool
We got to do more super chats.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Congressional term limits.
ben domenech
So I am opposed to them because I think people should kind of have to be able to move people
But I do think that we actually should consider age limits maybe for some of our offices.
ian crossland
I feel the opposite.
ben domenech
And I think that the problem too with With term limits is I would like to see them more as a enacted within the body.
So one of the differences between one of the reasons that the Democratic Party representation in the House is so much older than the Republicans is that Republicans several years ago adopted term limits for how long you could be the chairman of a committee.
tim pool
Interesting.
ben domenech
So what that did was if you were about to age out and you're no longer going to be the chairman of a committee, why were you, why would you stick around and like be just one of the other members?
And so lots of the older members retired.
The difference with the Democrats is they never got rid of that.
And so you have all these older people who are the chairman of committees, you know, people like Jerry Nadler still hanging around, you know, when they really ought to have been replaced by.
And it's why, frankly, they had a bunch of people who were like in their forties and fifties leave to go run for Senate or run for governor over the past several years.
tim pool
Right on.
We got 78.26 says, Hi Tim, could your band please do a cover version of the song Lydia Purple by The Collectors or Lydia by Marty Ballin?
I bet that it would be awesome.
lydia smith
Great suggestions.
I like those.
tim pool
Jeffrey Paris says, This new trans issue is like the concept of ancient Roman adoption.
Julius Caesar adopted Octavian.
The law stated that once adopted, you were a new entity entirely.
Anyone who referenced your old identity could be arrested and executed.
unidentified
Wow.
History repeats itself.
tim pool
Crazy.
Let's see what we got here.
William Shellman says, Hey Tim, I live in Germantown, Wisconsin, and there is a protest outside the house of the Wauwatosa Police Chief.
There are no reporters at all.
It's some sort of BLM thing over a shooting from last year.
lydia smith
Wow.
tim pool
Wow, really interesting.
Andrew Lantz says, dude, thanks for cutting back on content.
Between you, Crowder Shapiro, and Michael Knowles, I had no time to get anything done.
P.S.
Get Michael Knowles on to explain conservatism.
He has a really good take on it.
Well, for those that are curious, you can arguably say in some capacity I'm cutting down, but I'm actually doing this to try and increase the amount I can produce.
So for those that aren't familiar, today I announced that I'm going to be doing less segments on my individual channel, focusing more on segments on IRL.
So actually, What we're basically going to do is we're going to have news stories that I would normally cover, we'll just do on this show with a guest.
So it'll be interesting to get their take on a lot of these issues, which we kind of did here with Ben.
But the reason why I'm doing that is not because I'm going to be doing less, it's because we're going to be launching a new channel.
The way I described it is, at a certain point, doing segments where you talk about what's going on and complain about it and say it's a problem doesn't do enough to solve any of these issues.
And what needs to happen is there needs to be cultural development.
If all we're gonna get is, you know, AOC, she did Among Us, that stream, got 400,000 concurrent viewers.
So all the people who watch her are constantly being inundated with leftists.
They're watching these, you know, bread tube types and these socialists, and these younger people are hearing that, and they're developing with these ideas.
If you want your political ideas to persist, then you need to be engaging young people in things that they find entertaining as well.
So sitting around complaining will get you nowhere in the future.
So, the way I described it is, there's a skateboarder who's really good, he's got a mini-ramp, it's a half-pipe, and there's the Gadsden flag painted in the middle of it.
When kids watch that, they see the Gadsden flag.
They might not know what it is, but they might hear their teacher say, that's a white supremacist symbol, and they're gonna go, what?
No way, dude's got that on his ramp, you're crazy!
And it's gonna give them some pushback, it's gonna show them there's other things, and these people aren't telling them the truth.
Long story short, we're going to do a vlog, we're going to do fun things, we're going to, you know, do science experiments, skateboarding, we're going to do, like, the world's longest grind rail, mega jumps, and just have a good time and have fun.
But it's also going to incorporate, to a certain degree, some of the guests we bring on the show to give a more, like, cultural, less political, and just doing fun things that inspire people.
ian crossland
Ski ball tournaments.
lydia smith
Yes!
tim pool
Passively, you know, board games.
Like, we just played a board game called Conspiracy Theory.
ian crossland
It was awesome.
tim pool
And it's a trivia game.
And I dominated.
ian crossland
No!
unidentified
Totally.
ian crossland
Barely.
tim pool
Well, Andreas won the first one, and then I won the second one.
ian crossland
Oh.
tim pool
When did you guys play?
ian crossland
Was it?
lydia smith
When did you guys play?
tim pool
Was it last night?
ian crossland
Two nights ago?
tim pool
Three nights ago?
So one of the questions was, it was, what monster is associated with Silverbridge in West Virginia?
And I was like, I know it.
Mothman.
ian crossland
Because they just watched the movie.
tim pool
Well, I've known about Mothman.
ian crossland
He knows conspiracies.
tim pool
I know weird, and I was like, this is amazing, I know so much BS.
ian crossland
That'd be a fun game to stream.
tim pool
But it'd be really fun to get, like, Alex Jones and, like, ask him questions.
ian crossland
That's one of the questions, he was in the game.
tim pool
He's gonna answer all of them.
But wouldn't it be really funny to have a video that's not political, not talking about any of this dumb stuff, it's literally like, Alex Jones, can you answer these conspiracy theory trivia questions?
ian crossland
It's like hot ones.
tim pool
Just silly, fun... That is...
ben domenech
Great combination of things there, you know?
I mean, honestly, like, there could be a Stump Him kind of contest there, basically.
tim pool
He's gonna answer all of them, I know it.
For real, no joke.
ian crossland
We'll shoot a bunch and then just release them once a week, you know, one a week, just to keep everybody engaged.
ben domenech
I love conspiracy theories.
tim pool
But that's just like an idea, I'm not saying it's literally something I would like to do, we'll see what happens.
ian crossland
We can drink kombucha at the bar.
tim pool
I'm saying there's funny ideas like that we could do.
We have a lot of people who come in and out of this place, and it would be fun to do silly things.
Look, it's simple.
You've got to make the culture because politics is downstream.
You've got to inspire young people to get active.
ian crossland
That's something you were talking about.
Less reliant on the leader politicians and more reliant on, like, what did you create?
What did you do today?
What have you done?
ben domenech
I don't think that politicians have the narrative power they once did.
And I think that there are a lot of other entities that have a lot more narrative power
and different avenues to it.
And as we're seeing that change, it requires a lot more engagement from the creative folks
who may have wanted to stay away from politicizing anything they're doing,
but recognizing how much it's taking over everything.
I think we have to step forward and see those folks really get an opportunity
to tell the stories they want to tell that are fascinating and amazing often
and inform us in so many different ways.
There's so many people who came to their views about politics from reading science fiction, you know, and reading, you know, Heinlein and things like that and taking away different aspects of it.
I think right now we have to recognize that that's way more important than, you know, who's in charge of different entities when it comes to federal government.
tim pool
We're going to be doing events.
We're going to be doing frequent events.
I don't know how, with COVID, lockdown's getting more and more strict.
We'll see how things play out.
But we're going to do events.
We've got this cool clubhouse thing we're building.
It's a skate park.
We're doing construction in the back.
And we're going to start a brand and we're going to sell merch.
Very much so, the idea is to be fun, family-friendly, but very individualist, healthy masculine, you know, I don't want to say conservative, I just want to be like, you know, self-reliant, kind of promote these ideas.
Healthy feminine?
Absolutely.
Absolutely healthy feminine.
All these things that are kind of getting washed away because we have this very unhealthy mainstream celebrity apparatus where they only go in one direction.
There's gotta be someone who's gonna be like, nah, look, I'll put it this way.
I know a bunch of pro skateboarders.
Skateboarders are supposed to be the anti-authoritarian, lefty, you know, renegades.
Many of them are pro-Trump.
They're hitting me up saying, like, I want to send you a bunch of free stuff.
I love your content, man.
I hope Trump wins.
And I'm like, why aren't you telling people that in your skate videos?
Why aren't you, like, when you do, not skate videos, but like their vlogs, when they're posting things on Instagram, why aren't you saying, like, here's what I think?
Well, I don't want to lose my sponsors.
Or, okay, well, I don't care.
Because this is who I am.
I talk about this stuff all the time, great.
I'll make the skate videos, I'll put the Gadsden flag in my skate park, and I'll make a video where you can see it every single time someone does a trick.
ian crossland
Is that the don't tread on me flag?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
That's a snake?
tim pool
And it's literally like, if you want to talk about opposing fascism and opposing authoritarianism and tyranny, that's what that flag means.
ian crossland
Don't tread on me.
tim pool
Exactly.
ben domenech
And that's circling back to what you were saying before about the cultural differences when it comes to guns.
The number one thing that people need to understand is that You know, the Second Amendment is not about hunting.
It is about the relationship between the citizen and the state.
tim pool
But it's it's it's I think the Founding Fathers were a little bit even more broad than that.
Yeah.
It wasn't just the citizens of the state.
It was the citizens and with the state and the Native Americans.
Exactly.
Exactly.
There were instances where when like in the Revolutionary, we ever see the movie The Patriot with Mel Gibson?
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
Amazing movie.
But Militia was forming this, the famous thing was in the end, they're like, Militia was forming the center.
They, we, in the Revolutionary War, we needed as much- That movie's so over the top.
unidentified
It's amazing, that's so good.
ian crossland
Most Mel Gibson movies are, if you think about it.
unidentified
Well, listen, listen.
tim pool
The Founding Fathers were like, in the Revolutionary War, we needed as many armed and capable individuals to fight for us, which means you need an armed citizenry to defend the state, not just from itself.
Because they were fighting.
You know, people don't realize, you know, they say, you know, Paul Revere's ride, the British are coming.
He didn't say the British are coming.
They were British.
He said the regulars are coming.
Why would you be like, the Americans are coming, like the cops are coming, you know, run or whatever.
ben domenech
Have you seen Apocalypto?
ian crossland
Yeah, we just watched a couple months ago.
ben domenech
So I think that, I just think that film is amazing.
I thought it was great.
But it also, it goes to that idea.
The little village that is this kind of bucolic, you know, sleepy community that suddenly is crushed by, you know, the invader and is totally unprepared for it.
unidentified
The big city.
ben domenech
Exactly.
And there's so many elements of that that I think you can take into the, you know, about the relationships that citizens ought to have in solving their own problems and being prepared to defend the town, to defend what they value most.
And that's essential as Americans.
tim pool
You ever hear of what's it called?
The Battle of Athens, I think?
ian crossland
Is this when Sparta sieged Athens?
ben domenech
a siege no no no no this is a military yes this is the military veteran oh i have heard of this
tim pool
this is fascinating come back from world war ii to find a political machine controlling everything
and so they took their guns and they went and they were like nah and then they took over and
made sure the votes were cast with the votes that were the votes were all counted properly
and ensured the election was done properly yep there was a corrupt political machine
controlling the town and they were like nope Crazy.
It's a crazy place we live in this America where people are like, nah.
ben domenech
You know what?
So we have a little thing just to do a little self-promotion.
The 1620 Project at The Federalist has been running essays from... 1620 Project.
Yes, and it is not designed to re-found America.
The founding of America is 1776, but in 1620, obviously 400 years ago, the arrival of the Pilgrims in America, the 400-year anniversary of both the Mayflower Compact last month and in three weeks from today, it'll be the 400th anniversary of Plymouth Rock.
And what is so fascinating is this is a group of people who embody in so many ways the things that were essential to the crazy country that is America.
They're religious zealots who have to run away from England.
They're outcasts of their own community.
They gather together and they raise money and they have all these tragedies.
They have no idea what they're getting into.
They get on this boat, they come across The ocean, you know, within, through the winter, they lose like half of the people.
They're totally unprepared for this, and yet they end up making a firm enough ground on that area that we still have people today, there are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people, even millions some claim, who are descended directly from the people who came over on that boat.
And you have to have this combination of courage and commitment and crazy.
tim pool
I'm going to go on a boat for three months.
People are going to die on the way there.
ian crossland
These are the Martian colonists, man.
It's going to be another generation.
tim pool
You know what's really crazy?
A lot of people really got to learn American history.
We went through, I think, several presidents before we actually got a constitution.
So we had the Articles of Confederation for a long time, and the states didn't cooperate, didn't pay taxes, there was constant bickering and fighting, and when they passed the Constitution, I was reading about this just recently, they just, they decided we're gonna do a two-thirds ratification.
If the states that, you know, these other states that don't approve of this, they don't have to abide by it, but once they do, we got it, we're done.
And that was basically how they were able to get a constitution when the states didn't work with each other.
ben domenech
The Federalist Papers were making the case for that constitution, you know, designed to be able to convince people that this was the right thing to do.
tim pool
But it was the anti-Federalists that got the Bill of Rights.
ben domenech
Yes.
tim pool
They were like, we don't trust you.
ben domenech
Hamilton didn't want a bill of rights.
He thought it was unnecessary.
Also thought it would restrict government too much.
And the arguments of the anti-federalists, including Patrick Henry, were convincing enough to the people that, no, we need to put some things in place that actually restrain government from invading all these areas of life.
And boy, were they right.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
Not a day goes by the Constitution is shielding us, and people don't realize we have to, seriously.
You know, when people swear an oath to the Constitution, it's just a piece of paper, they say, but it is a piece of paper that is a gigantic, golden, mithril shield protecting us from so much evil and tyranny.
These people who want to lock down everything in the defiance of science while they go out and party, They're getting away with it in many circumstances.
And it's only after the fact, after the courts, that the Supreme Court says, well, the Constitution.
But you look at countries in Europe, you look at what's going on with the EU, and there's riots because they're like, stay in your home, you can't leave no matter what.
The cops, they swear an oath to nothing.
The cops are like, I don't care, the state says you get arrested.
You see that video of the woman in Spain getting tased because she brought her grandma or whatever to the hospital for mental illness?
They tase her because they have no oath to anything but themselves and their job.
Here, you have a constitution to contend with and people who believe in it.
It's not a perfect shield because they can go around it and violate the constitution, but like you were saying earlier, a lot of these rule changes to the elections, a lot of things they've done, will be found to be unconstitutional.
ben domenech
Absolutely.
tim pool
I love that piece of paper, huh?
Let's read some more Super Chats, because we're going a little late on this one.
Jacob Bailey says, only 19 bellwether counties have been 100% accurate in choosing the president since 1980.
Donald Trump won 18 of those 19 counties in 2020, plus the three bellwether states, which is Iowa, Ohio, and Florida.
Trump won those as well.
A lot of people, hard to believe Biden won with all of these things.
There was a really good comment I saw.
I can't remember who it was from.
They said, if there was no widespread voter fraud shifting the results and costing Trump the election, then why is it that all of the discrepancies hurt Donald Trump and help Joe Biden?
ben domenech
Well, I don't think that we can necessarily say that that's true just because the Biden campaign is not looking for discrepancies that help Donald Trump.
But I will say that there are a lot of weird ahistorical elements to this.
tim pool
The recounts in Georgia?
unidentified
We've never seen a recount margin that large for Trump.
ben domenech
I mean, again, the people who just say, you can't question this, those are the ones who just disgust me because it's just so ridiculous.
The stuff that Matt Brainard's been uncovering is like... Well, I don't know, again, I don't know if any of that is provable, but what I will say is, Questioning the idea that it's destroying democracy to say, hey, some weird stuff happened here.
We should probably look into it.
Is absurd.
tim pool
That's protecting democracy.
ben domenech
That's the opposite of what you're talking about here.
That's making sure that, you know, every vote counts.
Every vote is equal.
My vote for, you know, Zaphod Beeblebrox is just as valuable as a vote for Joe Biden.
And it deserves to be counted.
ian crossland
It's like when you're playing a game with your friend, and something happens, and you're like, oh, I lost, and then you give them the win.
If they didn't see that you lost, but you still tell them, I lost, you won, maybe it's just because it's not a game to these people.
tim pool
We got a good one.
Archimedes says, Tim, if you think the Battle of Athens is good, why are you weary of Trump possibly doing the same, ensuring the votes are done correctly?
It was a big difference between Trump declaring martial law and then holding a new election.
That's what people are calling for.
What they're saying here is we need a new clean federal election.
That's going to be civil war.
Like they say, this guy put out this ad saying to avoid civil war, declare martial law.
I'm like, no, that would be literally Trump igniting civil war.
The Battle of Athens was a small town.
The problem is, and the difficulty, is scale.
But I will say, I want Trump to fight tooth and nail to the bitter end, and I want a clean investigation.
I want everything to be gone.
You know, I want to go through with a fine-tooth comb and figure out if there was... We know that there is evidence of fraud.
We know, according to Matt Brainerd, there is evidence of widespread fraud.
I'm not saying definitive proof.
I'm saying evidence.
Signs or indications that a thing occurred.
That needs to be investigated.
It absolutely has to be.
Now, I don't know what Trump can do, and I don't think martial law and declaring a new election is the right thing to do because that would just be civil war, but I was going to bring this up before.
Let me ask you.
If it's true that some group cheated and all of these widespread anomalies actually are widespread voter fraud to steal the election from the American people, should then Trump stop it by declaring martial law?
ben domenech
I just think that we would be in an unprecedented situation if that was something that was provable.
tim pool
But how would you know?
ben domenech
That's the issue, right?
See, that's the problem.
I don't know that we have an entity set up to find that out.
And I think that we've discovered an aspect of our voting process that leaves us vulnerable to that sort of situation.
tim pool
So hypothetically, evidence dropped.
Or you saw evidence, you knew for a fact that widespread voter fraud, a centralized plan, a group behind it was going to steal the election, and most people don't care because they support Biden.
Do you think Trump should declare martial law?
ben domenech
I don't think that martial law is the way to go there, only because I think it will set fire to Tinder and turn into a civil war.
But I do think there would be other guardrails that would come into place there that would have to adjudicate this.
If something like that came out, the Supreme Court, you would have a route to basically going before them.
And I think additionally, you would have a situation where in a very closely divided Congress,
there are a number of things that they could do, including in the Senate, I think,
calling for a federal-based look at recounts within the system, which is actually something
that has happened before, albeit in a Senate context, like Senate looking at Senate races,
where they actually sent the ballots to Washington to have a full recount there
because they didn't trust the state officials.
tim pool
They've already destroyed envelopes, though.
And so the so the issue.
ben domenech
The problem is the problem is that the ballots are in there already.
You know, the place to stop is the place to stop.
This was before they got in there because once they get in there, it's so hard to remove But when they tried to sue, they said, no injury in fact.
tim pool
Nothing's happened yet.
You can't sue.
There's nothing, no harm has been done to anybody.
You wait till that, so here's what happens with Sean Parnell.
ian crossland
Wait till we do the harm, hold on.
tim pool
No, yes, that's how it works.
So with Sean Parnell, and he has this lawsuit about the constitutionality of mail-in voting.
Many people are saying if they would have voted beforehand, then the courts would have said, there's no injury in fact.
I mean, no harm has come to you.
You have no grounds to bring this lawsuit.
You have no standing.
Because they waited till afterwards, they say, you're too late.
You should have sued sooner.
Now, in Sean Parnell's instance, he said, I didn't know.
We all assumed that this law was constitutional.
And then it was only now that we're just finding out, they were going to actually try to amend the Constitution and stopped.
This is my opinion.
I think they knew it was unconstitutional, and they said, stop trying to amend the Constitution, just ram it through.
So here we are now with people suing, saying, hey, wait a minute, and the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania shot it down, not on its merits, because it was too late.
Meaning, it's very likely unconstitutional.
That means, what do you think's going to happen if Joe Biden, and he wins partly because of Pennsylvania, In a month from now, they say, oh yeah, by the way, Pennsylvania's election.
Yeah.
Joe Biden.
Yeah.
It was all unconstitutional.
Should not have been allowed at all.
Do you think Trump supporters going to be like rats?
We'll try better next time.
Or do you think they're going to be like.
ben domenech
Yeah.
tim pool
Screaming and angry and demanding something be done.
ben domenech
Judges are politicians too.
I'll remind you.
tim pool
They absolutely are.
ian crossland
Trump still has Twitter.
That's the thing.
Trump's got four years that he can just command people to go do something and they will.
tim pool
Sauron says, once the electors choose Biden, it won't matter if the votes of the people were fraudulent.
Unfortunately, legally, he would be president once the electors cast their belts.
Incorrect, good sir!
That is not true.
He's not president until he's inaugurated.
He would be president-elect after January 6th.
When Congress holds a joint session to count the electoral votes, at which point anybody can raise objections.
ben domenech
By the way, have you, did you go back, uh, ever and look at the objections that were raised after last time around when the Democrats tried to pull that?
tim pool
Oh, they were nuts.
ben domenech
They were absolutely insane.
And Biden was actually in your, he's in the chair, just like Pence will be this time, um, to, to adjudicate these.
And he had, you know, a script that he was reading off.
This time around, I wonder if we're going to see the flip side of that with the Republicans doing the same thing.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
And then we now have the Durham probe special counsel, and I think we're going to see the Democrats go through... Oh, totally.
ben domenech
And they're going to try, but they will try to defund him, cut him off.
I wonder, frankly, if they will try to convince Biden to appoint someone to the AG role who will actually fire him.
ian crossland
Perhaps, perhaps.
ben domenech
Because that could be interesting itself.
tim pool
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Just trying to get as many superchats as possible.
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ben domenech
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tim pool
Right on.
ian crossland
That's on your website?
ben domenech
TheFederalist.com, yes.
ian crossland
All right.
Yeah.
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And share.
ian crossland
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lydia smith
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ian crossland
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tim pool
You can also follow Lydia.
ian crossland
Thanks for letting me talk for a while, Tim.
lydia smith
You can.
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tim pool
And maybe we'll get banned.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Eventually.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
Thanks for hanging out.
Ben, thanks for hanging out.
And we will see you guys tomorrow at 8 p.m.
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