Nov. 10, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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you you | |
| How's it going everybody? | ||
| Joining me tonight, I have a very special guest and someone you actually already know. | ||
| Emily, not to discredit you as not being special, but most people who see my stuff might know who you are. | ||
| So Emily's hanging out, but we also have Rocco Castoro, who's not been on the show before. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Former editor-in-chief of Vice. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Give us a look on your face. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hello. | |
| So you guys have a breaking story. | ||
| And so we're going to talk a bit. | ||
| But the story that you guys have is it's about weapons trafficking. | ||
| The Pentagon. | ||
| It's about specifically... What happened to the light? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yours is a little dark. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| Specifically about the 1MDB scandal and a lot of shenanigans, let's say, that came around there. | ||
| Recently, Elliot Broidy, the former deputy co-finance chair of the RNC, might remember him as such great as hits as having to pay a former Playboy Playmate, who Bloomberg claimed he coerced into having an abortion, $1.4 million, and then he had to step down from the RNC. | ||
| I don't know anything about what that was. | ||
| Well, you can Google that. | ||
| And recently he got indicted for foreign influence Crimes related to foreign influence surrounding the 1MDB scandal, and previously an associate of his, Nicky Lum Davis, was indicted back in August for similar things. | ||
| Well, we... It kind of felt like manna from heaven. | ||
| We got a cache of documents that resulted in other caches of documents. | ||
| that relate to the 1MDB scandal, but specifically we have honed in on | ||
| invoices or quotes I guess you could say both within this cache that concern | ||
| MRAP logistics and support. MRAP are armored vehicles, they're made by the US | ||
| government armed forces that are used, they're actually mine resistant | ||
| vehicles right so they look the size of a school bus. This particular document | ||
| has to do with a quote for you know something about what is it 13 million or | ||
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something for the original quote? Oh the original? Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah, I think it might be around 15. | ||
| We'll get in on it. | ||
| My camera is on the fritz right now. | ||
| That'll be up in about 10 minutes. | ||
| You guys can watch it. | ||
| Maybe we'll come back to that. | ||
| Long story short, what is this? | ||
| Government malfeasance? | ||
| The story starts in 2015, so it's kind of a beautifully apolitical story because it overflows between administrations. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| It started with Obama. | ||
| Well, and it leads into... Brody also had a company called Sursonist. | ||
| That's an open source intelligence company, is what it's referred to, and does other things too. | ||
| But he was kind of selling packages that were related to some of these government matters. | ||
| Well, we'll have to start from the beginning. | ||
| So before we get into all that... Allegedly, by the way. | ||
| So, Rocco Castoro. | ||
| To the court of the documents. | ||
| Former editor-in-chief of Vice. | ||
| And now, uh, now what are you doing? | ||
| I'm working for a little outlet called Scanner, or Scner, or S-C-N-R. | ||
| It's whatever you want it to be. | ||
| So this is one of the first updates we've done in a really long time about Scanner. | ||
| So we started it a while ago with Subverse, and now it's Scanner, and you guys have basically been leading the charge on all that stuff. | ||
| And now you have a big breaking story, which we'll get into. | ||
| Everybody, I think... Well, not everybody, but this is Emily Mollie. | ||
| This is Emily. | ||
| I don't know, do you want to introduce yourself? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you want to put your mic up? | ||
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I'm Emily Molly. | |
| I have been working for Subverse Slash Scanner since, what, February 2019? | ||
| About? | ||
| And then, yeah, so now I was primarily doing on-the-ground reporting covering social movements, civil unrest, and All kinds of other things. | ||
| And then, yeah, I started doing this full-time, did some, just would typically write and do desk presentations of everything from, like, cyber security to, like, geopolitics and all kinds of, like, different technology stories while doing my on-the-ground coverage. | ||
| And now we just kind of, like, flip the format a little bit to more just field reporting, straight-up field reporting. | ||
| And yeah, Rocco came in and helped set all of that up. | ||
| You know how I know you guys are, like, real journalists? | ||
| You're boring. | ||
| Okay, let's spice it up. | ||
| So, did you lose any money on the election? | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| I'm not gonna bet on it. | ||
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You sure? | |
| I'm not gonna bet on it. | ||
| I didn't bet, did I? | ||
| No, I like to gamble in a casino with, like, a set amount of money for fun. | ||
| But the odds are probably more accurate than the polls, I would say. | ||
| Yeah, but they were flipping around. | ||
| They were. | ||
| But that's odds for you. | ||
| We'll spice it up. | ||
| Subscribe, like button, notification bell. | ||
| You know what to do. | ||
| Show's Monday through Friday live. | ||
| I do want to start talking about with media and stuff, though, because I've not had an opportunity to sit down with you and talk about everything in the media. | ||
| I think a lot of people need to understand, when digital media was taking off, you were basically the dude. | ||
| I mean, you can say that. | ||
| That's awfully nice of you to say. | ||
| I mean, I was certainly a pioneer, if that's not too lame of a word to use. | ||
| I was at a spot where new media, as they called it back in my day, which obviously was a faulty term because it won't be new for long. | ||
| was seen as some savior, you know, where BuzzFeed had trending, LOL, LOS, and you know, Vice was the bad boys, | ||
| right? | ||
| And then, you know, Vox was the serious, hey, we got Ezra Klein over here and we have Chorus, this CMS product. | ||
| They were, in other words, they were valued like tech companies, but they had no product. | ||
| Their content was the product. | ||
| They tried to show that they had a product, whether that be data, this or that, and if you look at their valuations, it follows suit, where you have a bunch of companies where people probably have super voting shares and stuff, and now they've taken haircuts that have brought them down to, you know, less than a billion, which is really... Where did five billion bucks go? | ||
| Well, that was the largest, that was the highest valuation. | ||
| Yeah, it was like 5.7 though, wasn't it? | ||
| The BuzzFeed was like upwards of two. | ||
| You know, people put a half a billion bucks in each of these companies, essentially, anywhere from three to five hundred, you know, million. | ||
| Where'd the money go? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It probably went through ad fraud, which the DOJ has been investigating for years now. | ||
| And something like, we've been talking to this guy, Dr. Augustine Fowle, who's an ad fraud researcher out of Canada, who's very well respected. | ||
| A lot of his research, first of all, that he references on his Twitter is amazing. | ||
| And the research he participates in is also amazing. | ||
| And we've discovered, you know, upwards of 80% of budgets are screwed up. | ||
| In terms of most budgets account for 20% of fraud and you should be looking at 40 to 50%. | ||
| So let's, let's, let's, let's slow down. | ||
| So you've got like, can you name some websites specifically that have done stuff like this? | ||
| Well, it's very difficult to classify this. | ||
| So you get everything from traffic assignment letters, which Variety and a bunch of other sites, Digiday, have written about concerning Vice, which is where other domains trade the sales of their ads for their traffic. | ||
| You can assign it to yourself. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| We'll slow down. | ||
| Are there any specific websites that you can name that have done things like this? | ||
| And then we'll explain what it is. | ||
| I would say the majority of new media websites during that time, as well as, I'd say, Any website that isn't going to be behind a paywall does this to an extent. | ||
| The percentage to which they do it is what the question is here. | ||
| You can be unwittingly participating in this because ad units get sold in a weird way. | ||
| The general idea is we've got big companies, big brands, some of the biggest digital media outlets. | ||
| And the money they're making is fraudulent. | ||
| They're basically selling ads, telling brands, if you put the ad on our website, you're going to get, what, like 100,000 clicks, right? | ||
| But then they're actually getting bots fake clicking. | ||
| It can be bots, it can be what's called ghost traffic, which is actually a legitimate click. | ||
| It's very technical, it's not really important. | ||
| It'd be like me, it'd be like me giving you Monopoly money. | ||
| I'd be like, hey Tim, here's a buck, and you give me a real quarter back. | ||
| And I keep doing that, right? | ||
| Eventually that defunds not only the market, but the US dollar and currency, because if you have a backlog of inventory that's flowing through the global advertising system, and you keep devaluing that based off fake clicks, that means, what does that mean? | ||
| I mean, it means that you're devaluing money. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's not right. | ||
| And it hurts journalism because it allows bad actors to screw out the bottom line. | ||
| I think we started seeing... So I remember that era. | ||
| I remember, like, I think even Shane talked about it, the CEO of Vice. | ||
| But they were all for it. | ||
| Basically, they would assign their traffic to other companies so that you would think you were buying an advertisement on a high-profile website like Vice, but you were actually getting, like, Dose.com or something. | ||
| That's not fraud, though. | ||
| That was legal. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That was a traffic assignment trick. | ||
| But advertisers frown on that now. | ||
| You can't really be bona fide and do that anymore. | ||
| Comscore and Nielsen and all these companies have boxed you in on that. | ||
| So have you been paying attention to Vice lately? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I left in 2015. | ||
| Sure, you can ask me questions. | ||
| I may have to give you a Glomar. | ||
| I can neither confirm nor deny. | ||
| I remember back in the day, when we first met especially, Vice was like edgy, hip, cool, kind of just doing whatever. | ||
| I think you had a video where you were like blowing stuff up or something? | ||
| Anarchist Cookbook, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then it started to become like Obama came in, you know what I mean? | ||
| I mean, yeah, I mean, there were certain, I felt like at some point maybe we were doing, or not just them, but, and I don't have any proof of this, but other outlets I know were. | ||
| I know that after I left, Vice worked with the Saudi government, for instance. | ||
| I feel like they were doing branded content for governments, and I think a lot of mainstream outlets do that. | ||
| I think a lot of supposedly independent outlets are doing that right now, and they're using botnets. | ||
| It's the same crap. | ||
| CNN did it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| CNN would do... It was... I remember back in the day, CNN was accused of doing, like, nefarious backroom deals with companies. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm sorry, with countries. | ||
| But then these countries would be like, no, no, no, it's a legitimate commercial buy. | ||
| It's like branded programming. | ||
| But Fox News did it with the whole Seth Rich thing, too. | ||
| I mean, that's under investigation right now. | ||
| What was that all about? | ||
| Well, there was a meeting between people in a room that had a lunch. | ||
| I can go ahead and name those people, but I don't want to get you sued. | ||
| And we're investigating that. | ||
| I think you would get sued. | ||
| Nah, I don't think I'm going to get sued, because it's the truth. | ||
| And, you know, these people all agreed. | ||
| Bitalski, I can name, because he's at the center of that. | ||
| Aaron Rich is currently, you know, going to get to the bottom of the truth. | ||
| And I think it was a very, very, very, very coordinated plan that was based off faulty, I don't mean faulty, a fake intelligence report actually made by Russian intelligence. | ||
| Whoa, like this was... The Seth Rich story. | ||
| Like when Fox Business published the Seth Rich story. | ||
| I know you've done videos on Seth Rich. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You've taken them down, which is, you know... Taken the videos down? | ||
| You've taken a couple down. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yes, you have. | ||
| I've had a bunch of videos removed. | ||
| For what? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This was a big deal. | ||
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Really? | |
| My video on the Icelandic woman got removed as well. | ||
| Yeah, one day I got a list, someone sent me, that I had a bunch of videos on my channel that were no longer there. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| You should inquire about that. | ||
| Yeah, because the videos I did on Seth Rich were not particularly definitive except for when Fox Business ran a story saying they had a laptop with definitive information or whatever. | ||
| Like, they had a laptop that claimed there was a communication between Rich and Wikileaks or something. | ||
| I remember that when I first started visiting, you know, you called me about possibly working with Subverse and doing some different stuff. | ||
| You told me straight up when you met with Assange that basically told you Seth Rich did it. | ||
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No. | |
| You didn't say that? | ||
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No. | |
| Dude, I wish! | ||
| Because then I went to Emily. | ||
| I didn't know Emily was there with you and I went to her and like asked her and she's like, No. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Dude, if anything like that would have happened, I would have run out the door waving the papers. | ||
| Whoa, his videos are removed. | ||
| No, those videos got removed, and NBC used them to smear me. | ||
| So, Kim.com came out. | ||
| Yeah, I remember I signed Kim.com to you, actually, at Vice. | ||
| Advice. | ||
| Yeah, that was fun. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| So, okay, we gotta slow down. | ||
| We gotta make sure everybody knows the context, man. | ||
| So, when I was at Vice, you told me to go to New Zealand or something? | ||
| No, no, it was that... I was supposed to go on some radio show instead. | ||
| Well, we'll walk back a little bit. | ||
| Like, you know, I had interviewed you in 2011, I think, because we did an issue of Vice that was called the Moral Compass Issue that was right around Crazy year that was kind of a lot like occupy right occupy | ||
| Wall Street And I think I had we'd done a photo shoot actually where we | ||
| put like guys and guy fox mask and like really high-end fashion | ||
| and you know, we just thought it was very Disruptive I guess and people seem to like it and we did if | ||
| we had to do fashion shoots It was part of the thing. I'm not a fashion guy, but that | ||
| was part of my job and got us money So, um, you know | ||
| I think I might have met you around that time because we were doing a lot of stuff around there and I think you know | ||
| You were reluctant at first to get do an interview Like I don't know what that's why I want to yeah. Yeah | ||
| And you were like, you know, you're very, rightfully so, I think, you know, very cautious about mainstream media. | ||
| Even for Vice at the time, this was 2011. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So like, and you know, this is before the HBO show, this is before things. | ||
| I started at Vice where Gavin had just gotten booted. | ||
| I've really never met Gavin, except we can talk about later the one time I did. | ||
| And, you know, I didn't really realize what was going on. | ||
| It was 2005, essentially, and started as an editorial assistant for Thomas Morton, who's one of my favorite people ever, and had the ride of my life where I became editor-in-chief a few years later, probably because no one else did. | ||
| So I was supposed to go on some radio program in Minnesota or something. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like it was a big national event. | ||
| And then I guess you told them to send me to New Zealand because I knew more. | ||
| But we gotta back up though because like I told Vice News to hire you because they were like trying to poach my people that I was working with or had. | ||
| They just put Jason Mojica, which we won't get into that right now. | ||
| You can Google who he is. | ||
| Uh, on board and, um, you know, I thought to myself, well, they need a lot of content filled. | ||
| They have no idea what they're talking about with news. | ||
| They're bringing that guy on. | ||
| I'm, you know, I know Tim's going to annoy the shit out of this guy. | ||
| So Shane said there was no Vice News before me. | ||
| Yeah, but that's not true. | ||
| I built the entire budget. | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| But there was like the, they would, they would run kind of, they would put Vice News on it, but the official channel was supposed to be the things that didn't make HBO. | ||
| That's what Shane said. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Once it got funded, but HBO wasn't around for about a year before Vice News. | ||
| After, sorry, after Vice News. | ||
| Then they got funded. | ||
| It was YouTube funded. | ||
| I had to talk to them. | ||
| I don't want to name everybody and drag everybody through. | ||
| I'm not going to name certain people, but I had to negotiate with them on actually doing the on the ground live stream stuff because they didn't want to do it. | ||
| No, that's not true, because I told them you should hire this kid to do live streams. | ||
| I was doing live streams. | ||
| No, they told me they didn't want to do it. | ||
| Well, it didn't really work out that way, did it? | ||
| No, it didn't. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Probably because you were telling them to hire me. | ||
| I was. | ||
| And then I said, why aren't you going to go send them? | ||
| You guys want big hits. | ||
| You're trying to poach my people. | ||
| Send Tim to Kim.com. | ||
| And then they wouldn't fund it. | ||
| I funded it. | ||
| I said, fine, here you go. | ||
| And you went. | ||
| I kind of regret that, because the video should have been higher production. | ||
| They had this thing there where it was constantly begrudgingly doing things. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| That's the media. | ||
| You can't complain about that. | ||
| You've got to play the game if you're going to do it. | ||
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But we were talking about the Seth Rich stuff. | |
| So, Kim.com, right? | ||
| I had, I think it was, I'm not going to say, I don't want to say any names, but one of the main directors called to me and says, do you want to go to New Zealand and interview Kim Dotcom? | ||
| Like the famous hacker guy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I knew a bit, I knew a decent amount about him already. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the concern was that the person they had normally had do interviews didn't know anything about these people. | ||
| I guess someone interviewed Assange before and it wasn't like substantive. | ||
| It wasn't good. | ||
| So I actually knew a ton, and then I don't know, you know, what capacity... Well, we have to go back in time when Kim Dotcom was... This was right when he was being, well... It was around the mega-upload stuff. | ||
| The mega-upload stuff. | ||
| So this is before Kim Dotcom was any sort of political spokesperson or force in any which way, shape, or form, except for, like, the same wavelength as Assange in terms of data rights and freedom, right? | ||
| He got raided by what, like, the MPAA in New Zealand. | ||
| So for those that don't know, Kim.com was an internet entrepreneur, never set foot in the United States, launched a company called Mega Upload, where you could host... It's like Google Drive, right? | ||
| Before there was a... Before there was Google Drive. | ||
| But people were using it for piracy. | ||
| You could upload a video and then search it and find movies. | ||
| So sure enough, they accused him of being a pirate. | ||
| And then eventually they raided his mansion compound in New Zealand. | ||
| And it was American interests with the New Zealand government that did it. | ||
| Well, I would imagine New Zealand probably had some interest in that too, for sure, in their partner countries. | ||
| But yes, sure. | ||
| So I ended up interviewing the guy. | ||
| We did the video. | ||
| The video took off. | ||
| It did really, really well. | ||
| And then where did you want to go? | ||
| You wanted to go back in time, but we were talking about something else. | ||
| to give it some context. Right, right, right, right on, right on. So since Kim.com amplified | ||
| the Seth Rich story so much, you know. Right. And he's just for Rahama, sorry. So then there | ||
| was this DNC email leak. And how did this, how did this even, this, this, this, this | ||
| like idea emerge? It was Assange, right? He was doing an interview and they asked him. | ||
| No, there was a, a fake SRV. | ||
| Or SVR? | ||
| I always get it confused. | ||
| Russian intelligence report. | ||
| But it was made by Russian intelligence. | ||
| And this is from the mouth of the prosecutor, essentially, working on the case at the time. | ||
| And she's retired. | ||
| Michael Itzkoff did a great thing called Conspiracyland on this. | ||
| I think your friend Cassandra's on that, too. | ||
| And she had something very close to that, and so did Luke Radalsky, who I also know from back in the days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I still know Luke. | ||
| He had something on this? | ||
| Well, he was one of the very first people to run a story by Alice Donovan. | ||
| You know, I might get this wrong. | ||
| Sorry, I didn't research it. | ||
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Well, yeah, there were some posts made on We Are Change. | |
| Alice Donovan, I believe, was the first one. | ||
| Well, Alice Donovan's named in both the Mueller Report, in which we don't need to get into that whole thing, but it's very clear when you look at the previous postings before Seth Rich that it's a Russian propaganda vehicle, right? | ||
| And what else did they talk about? | ||
| Like pro-Saad stuff? | ||
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Yeah, apparently there was certain pro-Assad talking points, I guess, being laundered through various blogs, and I think Alice Donovan was also one of the authors. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| It was being laundered through places like Sputnik and RT, which Sandra was working at, but we know that an intelligence report, a fake one, that was used in collusion with a group of individuals, one | ||
| being the Fox News reporter that initially reported the story that had retract. | ||
| And now there's a bunch of lawsuits for it, but Talisky, et cetera. | ||
| So there was, I think it was a Fox Business article claiming that his laptop had communications | ||
| with WikiLeaks. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And that was the basis for something I talked about. | ||
| And then someone asked me in like a live stream, did I think it was true or not? | ||
| And I was like, eh, 60, 70 percent or whatever. | ||
| And we literally had an article from Fox saying that they were communications, and that was the basis of it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That was used by NBC to smear me, claiming I was pushing the conspiracy, but I was also saying, you know, Kim.com is claiming it's true, and I'm pretty sure I said in every video, these things never pan out, stuff like this doesn't happen, the likelihood there's evidence is probably slim to none, but I don't think kim.com is a liar. | ||
| I've met the guy, I've talked to him, and so I guess we'll, you know, we'll see how this, you know, plays out. | ||
| And then at some point, yeah, a bunch of videos got purged from my channel. | ||
| What you know is really irksome about this is that I discovered it because I had a video I produced in Norway called the Isdal Woman of Norway. | ||
| This is just me going to Bergen, Norway and talking, but this is the craziest thing. | ||
| I was talking to local researchers about a woman who was found dead in the, just outside of the city of Bergen. | ||
| She was like found face down in a fire pit, dead of smoke inhalation. | ||
| And they found a suitcase full of like passports and a bunch of other stuff. | ||
| It's a very famous, like, it's not a conspiracy story because it literally happened. | ||
| They just don't know who she was. | ||
| There's also the story, do you know the story of Talmud Shud? | ||
| It sounds familiar. | ||
| Guy in Australia washes up on shore. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And then he's got a bunch of passports. | ||
| So I just talked to some locals. | ||
| And, like, you know, we were walking around in Bergen and we asked some locals, what's a good store? | ||
| And they said, ooh, the Isdal Woman, you know, the Ice Woman. | ||
| That video's gone. | ||
| And I love showing it to people because it was just a silly mystery video. | ||
| There was, like, all we did was talk folklore with locals. | ||
| I went on my channel because I would be like, check out this really old video we made. | ||
| It was really fun. | ||
| Gone. | ||
| Do you know a backup of it? | ||
| No. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| So, nowadays, all my videos I produce are backed up on, like, BitChute or Minds.com. | ||
| But that was a... But back then... And so then someone sent me an email saying, like, I mentioned it, and they were like, I went through and checked, and there was something like 30 videos that had been removed from my channel without me knowing. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| I have some ideas about Google and what Google wants, and what Facebook wants, and what the big tech companies are doing. | ||
| And a simple way to put it is, why, for some reason, my channel doesn't get removed? | ||
| Well, some of my videos have over 15 million views, and if you Google my name, you will not be able to find them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You explain that one too. | ||
| And three of them have been removed. | ||
| You know, we had, uh, do you know who Alan Bakari is? | ||
| Uh, no. | ||
| Breitbart tech reporter. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He, we had him in, he wrote a book and he talked about how Facebook has, uh, and I'm probably gonna, you know, butcher what he was telling me. | ||
| So just fact check this, that they're trying, they try to figure out what kind of content de-radicalizes people and then promote it as much as possible. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| That's so... Either which way, it's like a graphic. | ||
| So then when I hear like a bunch of my videos got removed, but it's, I don't want to get, you know, too conspiratorial. | ||
| Well, yeah, I guess, you know, but at the same time, it's like, if they're doing that and there's no explanation, there should be an investigation. | ||
| Into like why videos are gone? | ||
| Well, what you just said, if they're doing the de-radicalization or they're promoting the algorithm for some reason promotes, | ||
| and I'm not saying it's a human choice, somehow gets flipped in a way that inadvertently promotes radicalization | ||
| videos. | ||
| Like, we need to know about that as people. We need to have access to that data publicly. | ||
| The challenge is they don't know what, how do you define what is radicalizing? | ||
| Because it's subjective perspective. | ||
| The disingenuousness and the intent, which is a hard thing to prove, yes. | ||
| Very difficult. | ||
| Obviously if someone's putting out fake news, misinformation, and disruptive... But if someone says something like, my opinion on taxation is X. | ||
| Let me put it this way. | ||
| If you purposefully use things like botnets, malware, click fraud, ad fraud, and you use that to boost your message, that is fraud. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And that defalues advertising. | ||
| It's 100% fraud. | ||
| If you call yourself a journalist or in the media doing that, I'm going to find you and I'm going to take your money out of your pockets. | ||
| And that's what I've been working on the past year. | ||
| I'm going to avoid saying some names. | ||
| Don't ask. | ||
| Their servers have already been scraped. | ||
| We hired 12Security, who's a renowned systems administrator. | ||
| Wait, am I supposed to assume who you're talking about? | ||
| You don't have to. | ||
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He's been in like the Washington Post and New York Times. | |
| He discovered the worst. | ||
| Wait, I was going to tell you that. | ||
| He's discovered several zero-day exploits and he's like 29 from Texas, a maniac. | ||
| Wait, who? | ||
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Who's this guy? | |
| His name's Dan Ehrlich. | ||
| Shoutouts to Dan. | ||
| So wait, you found stuff in newspapers or what? | ||
| Exploits breaking into them? | ||
| No, we have found a... I mean, we can talk about Cernovich site. | ||
| Is that his name? | ||
| Cernovich? | ||
| Cernovich. | ||
| I don't know who he is. | ||
| I never knew who he was until we started looking on his website. | ||
| These people don't really get on my radar because I have no interest in what they're talking about. | ||
| You know, we have a report here that talks about, you know, MAGA 3X. | ||
| Yeah, what is it? | ||
| Amplification. | ||
| Hashtag movement is what it could simply be, like hashtag MAGA 3X. | ||
| But we have, you know, there's pretty good evidence that it was used to arrange real-life flash mobs and certainly attract American sympathizers online who would agree to spread memes and conspiracy theorists and stuff like that. | ||
| And the reason we know that is because Jeff Ducea, you're familiar with Jeff Ducea? | ||
| No. | ||
| He wrote a kind of treaties on memetic warfare. | ||
| I don't think a lot of people understand that memes and memetics are like genes and genetics. | ||
| A meme is a unit of cultural currency, if you will. | ||
| So I know about MAGA3X. | ||
| It was literally Cernovich posting on Twitter. | ||
| It was something like, for every Trump supporter, get three of your friends and go out and do stuff. | ||
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I think that's how it started, but whatever it turned into was a lot bigger than that. | |
| What was it? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You've got the report on the spot there, Rocco. | ||
| I mean, look, there's... And what is this from? | ||
| Well, this is from Mike's DMs, right? | ||
| So, these very clearly spell out a conversation with, what's his name, Baked... Baked Alaska? | ||
| I don't know his real name. | ||
| Jeanette? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| I really don't know these people. | ||
| So, I have no horse in this game. | ||
| I've tweeted at him, like, hey, I want to talk. | ||
| But, you know, this is, like, basically him and Baked Alaska having a falling out over Looks like right after or right before the deplorable. | ||
| So I think yeah, and you know, he actually, you know, this this thing baked Alaska makes it says, you know, I don't know if you can see that. | ||
| It's a meme. | ||
| It's a meme though. | ||
| I mean, like, yeah, so that that so that dude started getting more and more white nationalist. | ||
| Yeah, which resulted in him getting banned from social media, right? | ||
| And then he got booted from a bunch of events for posting these things and for like, Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, it seems as such. | ||
| But I also know that around that time, various soup packs and super packs were formed at one of them, which was retroactively formed. | ||
| And also this talk of this amplification network and what we would assume is a botnet started to talk, started to form. | ||
| And we have very clear evidence that that was happening. | ||
| I know we've probably glossed over a lot of like too much stuff already. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But just explain what a botnet is. | ||
| Well, botnet can be a misnomer because it's shorthand for sort of any amplification that's fraudulent or happens. | ||
| And it doesn't even have to be legal. | ||
| So, fraudulent would mean anything from, hey, 20% or 30% of my traffic is boosted through paid clicks or paid advertising. | ||
| It could mean I have malware on my machine that infects your machine and creates a ghost browser that, you know, can push 3,000 redirects in 10 seconds across the internet while your computer's asleep. | ||
| Basically, it's a network of robots. | ||
| It's a network of robots. | ||
| You can take over everyone's computer. | ||
| And it's gotten so good that AI, based off of documents, and this is something that you can see on Mike's servers, right, is like placed into a bunch of document bins, and the AI will do everything from tweet To do Facebook, to who knows, really. | ||
| That's beyond my technical level, but Dan and I, we were putting together a massive report on this that will be transparent. | ||
| We've already given the IPs over to a lot of people. | ||
| We've even found some... So what is it? | ||
| Like, what's the bottom line on it? | ||
| It's an amplification network that makes stories that are disingenuous and outright incorrect. | ||
| Stuff like the Seth Rich story. | ||
| It propagates that in a way that gets inside people's heads. | ||
| Everyone knows that memes do that. | ||
| And it's not a meme in the sense of a visual thing. | ||
| It's an actual cultural idea that becomes permanent. | ||
| It also commits fraud that monetizes this disingenuous action. | ||
| And it undermines U.S. security interest. | ||
| So you have a report saying that the intention is to... | ||
| No, I am reporting and parallel reconstructing various sources that I have that are exclusive and corroborating it. | ||
| And that's what we're doing. | ||
| I think part two of our report... A lot of this centers around a Chinese national named Guo Wengui, but we're not going to get into that, unless you want to. | ||
| But that stuff's bonkers. | ||
| We would have to sit here for four hours, which I would happily do. | ||
| The bottom line, what is it? | ||
| There's American interests that have created a... It's a national security issue. | ||
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And it's not just American interests. | |
| Yeah, and it's a foreign relations issue, and it should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. | ||
| But what is it? | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| You are undermining U.S. | ||
| security interest by, one, defunding legitimate journalism. | ||
| That's just from a professional standpoint, but we can put that aside. | ||
| Two, doing stuff like having spoof certificates on your website that can backdoor into what appear to be government servers. | ||
| That's at least from what I understand and what I'm looking at. | ||
| And I'm not going to be specific about whose server that is on, but he knows who it is. | ||
| And that, you'd agree that it's undermining national security interests if someone could do that, right? | ||
| Do what? | ||
| Do what? | ||
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What? | |
| False acceptance? | ||
| They could backdoor into government servers. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And three, it's disingenuous. | ||
| You know, stuff like McMaster's leaks and that kind of stuff is faulty and disingenuous. | ||
| Well, I guess what I mean is you're saying that there are international interests that have created an AI that can boost fake news, like disinformation? | ||
| No, I would say there's a blend of, okay, it's hypothetical, but let's say that I'm a country like, people forget that it's not just, it's not Russia or China or this. | ||
| Ever heard of a red hat hacker? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm banned from China because I tried to report on red hat hackers back in 2013. | ||
| So explain for people who don't know. | ||
| So people know what a black and white hat hack is. | ||
| Well, they don't. | ||
| They know like the Garth Brooks song. | ||
| I don't know who wrote it. | ||
| Good guys always wear white or whatever. | ||
| You know, like a black hat and a white hat cowboy. | ||
| You know that, right? | ||
| So, like, a red hat is, it really is a reference to communism because it's, it came out of a Chinese sort of, China didn't have the internet at the same time the U.S. | ||
| did. | ||
| And when they did, they got it, it was actually run through Hong Kong servers, the internet exchange there, right? | ||
| Only recently has mainland China gotten servers. | ||
| And those servers, you know, there's people before the great Chinese firewall, which is how China's internet is censored, right? | ||
| Stuff like Tiananmen Square, you can't watch it, right? | ||
| It's supposed to be removed, all references are supposed to be removed. | ||
| So, the redhead hackers are people that are security analysts, quote-unquote, that get to basically have free access to the internet in exchange for their services, which would be anything, you know, that's in line with the Chinese government's interest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I interviewed several of these folks because it was right after Snowden. | ||
| I had a great time talking to them because we really spoke on the same wavelength. | ||
| I'm like, you don't, you're not even loyal to the Chinese government, you're loyal to the internet. | ||
| And they're like, yes, you get it, you get it, right? | ||
| It's true. | ||
| But if you're in China, and you want full access to the internet, you're gonna have to do that, right? | ||
| So the red hat hackers will always act in the interest of the nation state that they're from. | ||
| But at the end of the day, they're just hackers and hacker culture comes from the United States. | ||
| They're like pirates. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like how pirates used to be. | ||
| So exactly. | ||
| And in exchange for their services, they basically immunity, right? | ||
| So if they can commit cyber crime on the side, It's a great way to plausibly deny influence from foreign actors. | ||
| Like, if I give you a bunch of malware and say, I'm going to put it on your servers, Tim, or whatever, and that amplifies your message, it helps me because it's on your servers. | ||
| Even if I'm maintaining the databases that it connects to and using those databases to sell it to all sorts of various actors, both legitimate and illegitimate, it's a great way for me to walk away from it and say, I didn't have anything to do with that. | ||
| That was all Tim, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's how they did, it's how the pirates operated in the colonial eras, I guess it wasn't just one time, but they would give privateers, private warships, letters of marque, go do your thing, help us, and then we'll disavow all knowledge. | ||
| But, you know, you're free to loot and pillage our enemies. | ||
| So then you essentially have these hacker groups that the government can go, oh no, oh they're criminals, oh heavens, we didn't sanction these hackers, but they're doing things that help their nation state. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the U.S. | ||
| is more reluctant to do that because, you know, in some ways it's an exploit against our freedom of speech and the boundaries of the law in the U.S. | ||
| for a free nation. | ||
| So are you saying that China was interfering in the U.S. | ||
| elections? | ||
| I'm saying that they've been long interfering along with many other actors that operate both in sync with nation-state interest as well as in their own interest. | ||
| And that's a pretty easy thing to understand. | ||
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And I think you also got to look outside of the election because it's not just the election. | |
| This has been stuff that's going on beyond just decision-making at the highest ends of the government. | ||
| So like what's what's going on? | ||
| Well, let's get into the meat and potatoes! | ||
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Is this up? | |
| Is this up? | ||
| Okay, well, people are being compromised at all levels of the government and also in private sectors. | ||
| Compromised how? | ||
| Like, what does that mean? | ||
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Well, whether you want to call them assets, spies, you know. | |
| For China? | ||
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Not just China, but yeah, sure, we'll say that. | |
| No, no, no, no, no, but for like international interests. | ||
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Yeah, because there are other countries that have mutually aligned interests and will work together or they'll just work on their own. | |
| Right, right. | ||
| And I'll say China specifically has a very robust Ministry of State Security that spends billions of dollars on compromising Americans and they've done a lot of that already. | ||
| Do you guys know about how they were going after these university professors? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Is that related to it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Really? | ||
| There's a list of spies and lists that have been used against databases. | ||
| Guo was a person that was very interested in this, we'll say. | ||
| And people like Michael Waller were very, or at least duped, or wittingly, unwittingly, the deposition isn't clear because pages are missing. | ||
| They used databases that were pre-existing. | ||
| So if I have a Facebook database and I have a healthcare database, and I know the spy names of 25 spies, right? | ||
| And I use enough interrelated databases just to kind of compare these things, I might be able to out who they are based off interrelated characterizations and psychographic data points, right? | ||
| But that's not definitive. | ||
| That's like... Well, it is definitive when you find out that Obama or somebody had 15 of them on a... Didn't Dianne Feinstein have somebody? | ||
| It butts up against security issues. | ||
| And you find that out very quickly, you know. | ||
| We had how many professors were taking money from China? | ||
| There's a hundred at Harvard, at least, according to the list. | ||
| Right now, you're saying there's a hundred? | ||
| It says something like that. | ||
| According, I don't know if the list we have are real or fake. | ||
| We're verifying. | ||
| Okay, that could be dangerously irresponsible. | ||
| No, I said it. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| We know that the list being used to blackmail people has that on there, which is what's important. | ||
| In other words, we don't know if what we're looking at is both real and fake or mixed in between, but all three of those scenarios are very troubling. | ||
| Like, should I have called security before you guys came on to report this kind of stuff? | ||
| Well, the FBI called us the other day actually, unsolicited. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I heard they, well, they also called someone else, you know, but I think he committed voter fraud. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if I can talk about it. | ||
| I don't know if Adam's talked about it yet, but he got a bit. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And I just saw someone sent me the tweet. | ||
| Nothing to do with fraud. | ||
| Well, ours was, we got a very pleasant, I got a voicemail from somebody. | ||
| I'm not going to say the name out of the blue. | ||
| And the voicemail was, I thought it was a prank. | ||
| Hey, uh, this is the Los Angeles Bureau of the FBI. | ||
| I've never talked to FBI. | ||
| FBI has never called me. | ||
| Or, you know, once at Vice when we unmasked the Syrian Electronic Army's, like, 15-year-old. | ||
| Oh, I remember that. | ||
| They came to the office, I said, talk to the CTO, get out of here, like, I don't want to talk. | ||
| And so, like, they call and they were like, hey, we're a big fan of your work. | ||
| Like, I'm like, uh-huh. | ||
| Or they didn't say that. | ||
| They said, we heard you have a tip. | ||
| They said that later when I called them back. | ||
| They said, we heard you have a tip. | ||
| Uh, we got a tip that you have a tip that you want to tell us. | ||
| That was what they left a message on. | ||
| I can play it for you, but I don't want to. | ||
| I heard from a guy that you got something to say. | ||
| I'm like, this is not real. | ||
| And so I called a lawyer, I know. | ||
| And they were like, uh, you need to call the switchboard. | ||
| Cause we've had some issues with this. | ||
| Find out if they're real, verify the number and then let us know. | ||
| And so I did that. | ||
| Turns out they were real and they work in the cyber crimes division. | ||
| Uh, I said, I don't have any tips for you. | ||
| I appreciate your kind words. | ||
| Just watch our videos and that'll be your tip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, um, I don't, I, then I found out later that they were actually, well, we'll get into that another time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Earlier this year, Mike Pompeo said that we have been infiltrated at all levels by the Chinese. | ||
| He's right. | ||
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And it's been, it's been like that for a while. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I assumed you were going to, you guys were, you would say something like, yeah, you're just saying like, oh yeah, of course. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
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I'm sorry, we've been looking at this for months now, so I guess I'm a little desensitized to it. | |
| Yeah, I'm like, wait, wait, hold on. | ||
| You have a list of compromised individuals by... That's insane, you guys! | ||
| No, no, we don't have it. | ||
| We're not saying that. | ||
| We have the list that Guo tried to, or he did scrape. | ||
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Well, we have a list that's been scraped. | |
| And there's... | ||
| I know a lot about what Guo was looking for just because I've read like thousands of pages of depositions and court documents at this point and I know specifically he was looking for, he was looking for specific people and 15 of those people had basically, uh, their records are, it's illegal to look up their records because they are people who are either being investigated or cooperating with the government right now. | ||
| So wait, he was trying to find who the, the compromised people were? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no, he was trying to find I wouldn't say they're necessarily compromised these 15 people are records | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| protected Yeah, so whether those are you know | ||
| A lot of people allege that he's a dissident hunter and a lot of people say he's outing Chinese spies within the u.s | ||
| So it's sort of this question is like are these you know Is he actually looking for people who are cooperating with | ||
| the government or is he looking for people who are Chinese spies? | ||
| so that's the really big question that we've been investigating and | ||
| And we ended up with a list that we're working off of very slowly. | ||
| You have names? | ||
| We're not going to name any names. | ||
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We're smarter than that. | |
| You want to be careful of what you ask for. | ||
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Yeah, we're excited. | |
| But yeah, so we're going to be coming out with a lot more just in the process of this recording. | ||
| Is the next video up yet? | ||
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Yeah, so we just uploaded episode two of Scanner Investigates. | |
| Yeah, continue, sorry. | ||
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And this one specifically, some of the investigating we've done around Elliot Broidy, and there's still more that we're doing with that, but specifically we went looking into some of the documents, one of which was a draft, basically a Calculation of MRAP parts, armored vehicles. | |
| We talked a little bit about this earlier, but basically we went to Colorado to visit an office that used to make these kinds of deals to authenticate a certain document, which they did for us. | ||
| So people can go watch it and get a kind of bigger picture. | ||
| It's a very small part of this story that we're going to be continuing to report on. | ||
| But yeah, episode two's up now. | ||
| This spans administrations, you were saying? | ||
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It appears from some of the documents that we have, it appears to start in 2015. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| So whether it involves Obama directly, we can't say for sure because he's not mentioned in the 2015 documents. | ||
| This is difficult to piece together. | ||
| I think you guys have been like staring at everything. | ||
| Why don't we read the top letter off that pile of documents? | ||
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Sure. | |
| Can we read that? | ||
| Yeah, give us the elevator pitch. | ||
| So this is literally what's on top, the first page on a packet of documents that we got that we can only assume were used to leverage something somebody wanted because it's like what you would give to someone to be like, you're effed. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You're effed, and you better do what I say, because I got you on this. | ||
| So if you come after me... So it's damning information used to blackmail somebody. | ||
| Well, but it's all from what we believe to be evidence servers. | ||
| So you do the math. | ||
| Evidence servers? | ||
| Like government servers? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Whoa. | ||
| Somebody broke into government servers. | ||
| Or someone wiped them and made copies and gave it. | ||
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What? | |
| And they're publicly available, which is, you'll see why that's important. | ||
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Oh yeah, they're publicly available. | |
| You just gotta know where to look. | ||
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And we figured that out. | |
| So who's trying to do what? | ||
| I don't know, that's what we're trying to figure out. | ||
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Do you want me to read the top letter? | |
| Yeah, let's read that. | ||
| Yeah, do it. | ||
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Okay, we do read this in our first episode, and then we referred back to it in our second episode, but I'll just read it real quick. | |
| And this is an email from Elliot Broidy to Elliot Broidy. | ||
| And who is he? | ||
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Elliot Broidy is the, what was his title again? | |
| The former finance co-chair of the Republican National Convention Committee. | ||
| And Michael Cohen was as well, and he got indicted way back when, everyone knows that. | ||
| And so was Steve Wynn, and he got in some troubles with the ladies in the massages. | ||
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Alright. | |
| You might remember. | ||
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Of course. | |
| And then Elliot Broidy. | ||
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Broidy also has an open source intelligence company called Circinus, which has gotten awarded contracts from the government before. | |
| So this is, it's, you know, have you ever sent an email to yourself just like an informational video? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So this is an email to himself. | ||
| And one of several drafts that over the next couple years there's different iterations of. | ||
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So it says, FYI, I'm closing an open source intelligence center installation in Asian country. | |
| The focus will be improving counterterrorism efforts against ISIS. | ||
| The country involved has good relations with China and the U.S. | ||
| And offered a lucrative opportunity. | ||
| China wants to extradite from the U.S. | ||
| Guo Wengui, who is very critical of President Xi Jinping and now living as a fugitive in New York City. | ||
| Guo defrauded many investors, including Abu Dhabi, for $3 billion. | ||
| With elections coming up with China this fall, the Chinese want him to be kept quiet. | ||
| I believe a negotiation can take place which includes Abu Dhabi receiving its 3 billion back and Abu Dhabi extraditing Guo from the U.S. | ||
| to Abu Dhabi. | ||
| Later, Abu Dhabi would allow extradition to China. | ||
| I was told China would pay us, and if the facts are indeed correct, I assume Abu Dhabi would feel obliged to pay a fee as well. | ||
| Please check facts on your end. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And then this next part says, this information is strictly for you and MBZ only. | ||
| You know who MBZ is? | ||
| Who's MBZ? | ||
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Okay, well, you should look him up. | |
| What'd you say? | ||
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MBZ? | |
| Yeah, so MBZ, I want to get his title correct. | ||
| But he's a very, he's a really prominent political figure, and he's Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan. | ||
| I didn't want to butcher his name. | ||
| They call it Mohammed bin Zayed. | ||
| So Mohammed bin Zayed. | ||
| Which country is it? | ||
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Uh, so he's Crown Prince of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| U.A.E. | ||
| Wasn't he involved in the recent peace agreements with Trump and U.A.E. | ||
| and Israel? | ||
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So this information is strictly for UNNBZ only. | |
| The Asian country involved is Malaysia. | ||
| They are in dire need of closer relationship and cooperation with the U.S. | ||
| I conveyed three important ways for Malaysia to cooperate and assist U.S. | ||
| One, cooperate closely on counterterrorism efforts against ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc. | ||
| Two, cooperate on North Korea, given their special long-term relationship. | ||
| They can do much to help. | ||
| And three, cooperate and act in a more balanced way with regard to China slash U.S. | ||
| This is very real. | ||
| Along with items one to three above, which I requested, this additional item was offered to me to sweeten the deal, Open Source Intelligence Center deal. | ||
| I am working on, which is $42 million per year, and already agreed to. | ||
| As you know, they have big legal issues from their sovereign fund and 1MDB development fund, which we mentioned a little earlier. | ||
| Malaysia recently settled Abu Dhabi for $1.2 billion in debt repayment. | ||
| Malaysia is receiving assistance from China. | ||
| In fact, they received assistance to pay the settlement with Abu Dhabi. | ||
| Malaysia wants me to assist them, and they stressed China as additional deals for me. | ||
| I told them USA first and I cannot and will not do defense or intel business with China. | ||
| They told me to get involved on Guo, which is not sensitive to national security of U.S. | ||
| But it is. | ||
| The irony of that last statement. | ||
| I would say it's a little bit. | ||
| A little tiny bit. | ||
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A little bit. | |
| So, yes. | ||
| So, what's the gist of this email? | ||
| It is hard to follow. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| There is a crime caper, and it's more interesting than any James Bond movie you've ever seen. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| You know, people took, Guo took two sovereign wealth funds, so think of it like two hedge funds of five billion a piece. | ||
| These numbers aren't correct, but think about it that way to simplify it. | ||
| Slammed them together. | ||
| One of them was a 1MDB, and well, let's put it this way. | ||
| He slammed multiple funds together, and the sparks that flew off All these people tried to collect, right? | ||
| And then to absolve themselves of the crime, because it was an international scandal, after Trump came in, they tried to approach various parties to get it dropped, right? | ||
| And we have all the documents and the contracts between people like J. Lo. | ||
| Get what dropped? | ||
| Like the criminal investigation? | ||
| The criminal investigation on the U.S. | ||
| side of the 1MDB scandal. | ||
| Because other international investigations were happening already. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Wolf of Wall Street. | ||
| Remember Wolf of Wall Street? | ||
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| Leo DiCaprio kind of got caught up with it. | ||
| That was the only headline America cares about, right? | ||
| Is the movies. | ||
| J. Lo Tech was an executive producer on that film, was well known and loved throughout Hollywood. | ||
| He was on the hot seat. | ||
| So he hired actually Brody's wife, Robin Brody, who's an entertainment attorney. | ||
| We have all the contracts, right? | ||
| $75 million, she was promised, plus a five, I don't know what the retainer was, but a fixed retainer if they could get it dropped within, or get the matter resolved, and the matter was the Wolf of Wall Street. | ||
| So you got to do the math there. | ||
| And that's all it said. | ||
| And it was like an eight page contract. | ||
| $75 million if it was dropped within a half a year. | ||
| And then $50 if it was a year plus the retainer. | ||
| I mean these are small numbers obviously. | ||
| JLOTEC was one of the supposed alleged architects behind this and hasn't come back to the States | ||
| in a while. | ||
| Supposedly living in China sort of. | ||
| The architect of the deal where they slammed the things together or what? | ||
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He took a lot of the money from the 1MDB fund and spent it on things like a yacht and jewelry | |
| and his girlfriend at the time who was like some Hollywood model. | ||
| Yeah, she was a model. | ||
| Um, uh, she had to return something like six or eight billion dollars or a million dollars. | ||
| No, not a billion. | ||
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Yeah, I'm sorry, a million dollars worth of jewelry. | |
| I was like, whoa. | ||
| Yeah, it's a lot of jewelry. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
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I'm used to bigger numbers with this stuff. | |
| So, so where does this all go? | ||
| What's, what's the, what's where we're at? | ||
| Well, it's really simple. | ||
| It's like when you're getting emails trying to convince you to play golf or get the president to play golf with the prime minister of Malaysia, who's under investigation for Interesting. | ||
| to steal. I mean he was the guy in charge of the Sovereign Wealth Fund. Buck stops with him. | ||
| You know and his stepson is the guy for Red Granite Pictures, that greenlit Wolf of Wall | ||
| Street. You're in a situation where you're then, I mean it looks like quid pro quo arrangements and | ||
| you're close enough to the president to influence that and they're doing money through your | ||
| business. What would you call that? Whoa interesting. | ||
| Business like usual. | ||
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Maybe, yeah. | |
| I mean, I'm not the one to determine that. | ||
| The law, law and order, right? | ||
| Law is the place to determine that. | ||
| So what do you think is going to happen? | ||
| I think there are several ongoing depositions and inquiries that people don't know about, that no one has looked at. | ||
| Well, that all of this has been a distraction. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| What has been a distraction? | ||
| Sorry, I coughed. | ||
| I figure if the president can say it on live TV, he can say it on YouTube. | ||
| Nah, YouTube's brutal, man. | ||
| So, no, continue. | ||
| Well, I'm just saying, I don't know what's going to happen, but I know several people who are currently under investigation and who are talking, or they're witnesses, and they're talking off the record, and this will all come to a head soon, and it happened a long time ago. | ||
| Are you talking about compromised people in the U.S.? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's ongoing investigation. | ||
| I don't want to speculate based off... I don't want to get killed, probably. | ||
| So, but, but this, when you, when you mentioned there are people, like you said, a hundred people at Harvard. | ||
| I mean, that's what the list says. | ||
| We don't know if that's a... Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| It's being manipulated, you know. | ||
| Is this like his list of suspected? | ||
| But there was people at, you asked about Harvard because somebody was sent back from, from Harvard. | ||
| I think there was two people at Harvard. | ||
| Yeah, more than one. | ||
| And actually they were associated with something interesting. | ||
| Do you guys know about that? | ||
| Maybe we shouldn't get into that. | ||
| The Chinese program? | ||
| Yeah, the thousand, whatever it's called. | ||
| What was it called? | ||
| That's well known, like the Thousand Talents program, I think? | ||
| Yeah, Thousand Talents. | ||
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Well, yeah, there's more to it. | |
| There's a little bit more to it. | ||
| Neural Net. | ||
| Neural Net? | ||
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What? | |
| What is this? | ||
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What is this? | |
| Go look at what Harvard's working on with bioengineering. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| I know that earlier in the year, Mike Pompeo said we've been infiltrated by the Chinese at every level. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Every level. | ||
| And then we've had repeated investigations into university professors who were double dipping. | ||
| China was paying them while they were also getting grants from the U.S., which is illegal. | ||
| call it spying or whatever. It's compromised. You're compromised. Right, right, right. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you're compromised. So is this the worst thing about it? We have people in the US that | ||
| have like, there's, there's leverage against them from foreign interests. Is that it? I mean, | ||
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the scale is probably the worst thing. I think the scale is absolutely the worst thing. And... | |
| The scale meaning... | ||
| Like the Chinese can print infinite money and they got a lot of people. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So that's it. | ||
| So they can keep compromising people? | ||
| So you can have 55,000 spies in the U.S. | ||
| and that's nothing. | ||
| And how many spies do we have in China? | ||
| Not as many. | ||
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Right. | |
| You gotta figure. | ||
| So we're compromised from the top down? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Is that the gist of it? | ||
| I've been told, and I obviously can't confirm this, that our GIS system is compromised. | ||
| What is GIS? | ||
| It's a global positioning system, but it's not GPS. | ||
| It's how you keep the map from changing, we'll say. | ||
| pretty sure everything you're saying first of all I will be completely honest | ||
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it's hard to follow yeah of course it is there's a purpose yeah yeah I mean yeah | |
| we are really close to it and we've been looking at it for a really long time now | ||
| so that's why we're trying to do our best to like break it down and size | ||
| videos and starting with very specific people and then hopefully and we just | ||
| told you won't be dead before you get to the final yeah and we just told you that | ||
| the and you'll see in our second part it doesn't get into all this all we do in | ||
| our second part is prove the documents or at least the narrowly defined | ||
| documents we're looking at in that video are real by going to a vendor and | ||
| they're like yeah we don't know how they got a hold of that that's not that's we | ||
| didn't give it to him which is weird So the challenge is, with stories like this, there's so many pieces that need to be broken down individually before you can fully understand what you're looking at. | ||
| Well, other outlets are corroborating our reporting. | ||
| So like, for instance, we didn't know what a sovereign wealth fund, I believe. | ||
| Yes, we didn't know what that is. | ||
| Well, you're an idiot if you don't know what that is, because... Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, because the government... You are! | ||
| You guys should be talking about this every day, because it's the upper echelons of the government ripping off its people. | ||
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All right. | |
| At the highest level, you know. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| That's why those smart people make money, and people get in the streets and fight about BS when they should be looking at their own government. | ||
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Privilege. | |
| I will say, there's a lot of distractions being put out into the media right now, and you know, it's not, you know, people are eating it up, and it does take people's attention away from this stuff. | ||
| Bread and circuses? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, possibly, but I also think- And they amplify, the bad actors amplify these simplified dog-do messages. | ||
| You know, it's like- Yeah. | ||
| America can't seem to understand anything beyond red versus blue or this team versus that team. | ||
| They got to have two. | ||
| And if there's more than two options, they get really confused. | ||
| And that's the media's fault. | ||
| So that's what we're trying to change is that things are complicated. | ||
| And if you don't care, fine, go watch the Kardashians. | ||
| Oh, wait, you can't because there's a pandemic and nothing's on TV. | ||
| We have journalism in this country has been whittled down to a dry, burnt husk, rotting in the corner. | ||
| So much so that we've been accused of being intelligence agents by Steptoe, which is Broidy's very high-priced law firm and also Jeffrey Epstein's law firm. | ||
| Do you want me to read that letter? | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| What, they called you spies? | ||
| On election day. | ||
| Oh, we got an election day surprise. | ||
| Saucy. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Well, they're called agents. | ||
| Agents? | ||
| Agents. | ||
| Accusing you of being government agents? | ||
| How did you not get this email? | ||
| It was addressed to your scan right there. | ||
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It's Timmons. | |
| I know. | ||
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It has you on it. | |
| Oh, you do know. | ||
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It's actually addressed to you. | |
| It says, Dear Mr. Poole. | ||
| Are you saying I'm being accused of being a spy? | ||
| Well, no, no, no, you're not. | ||
| You're not. | ||
| They thought they could reason with you, but obviously they didn't. | ||
| I don't have anything to do with the editorial work of Scanner. | ||
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You don't. | |
| Keep saying that. | ||
| It's true. | ||
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I have no idea. | |
| Seriously, you need to make that really clear to these people. | ||
| That's why I'm like, wow, you guys get an email and you're like, it's to you. | ||
| I'm like, I don't know anything about it. | ||
| They sent two. | ||
| This was the one after I asked them. | ||
| First, they sent me an email saying, to you actually, but it's me CC, Emily CC. | ||
| And we did not obviously CC you in the email. | ||
| We just sent it out from our Scanner account. | ||
| So they created a new chain. | ||
| That one basically said, you are working with stolen documents from the Qatari government. | ||
| I don't even know what they're talking about. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, I have it up, but, um, it basically, uh, they accused us of, uh, working with Qatari backed hackers. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| It says, uh, Oh, it is a long letter, but I'll cut to the chase. | ||
| As a result, we have reasons to suspect you are in direct contact and receiving stolen and potentially doctored materials from individuals directly involved with the Qatari-sponsored hackers. | ||
| As an example of the peril relying on these sources, the suggestion that any sales were made to Nigeria as you suggest in your questions is false. | ||
| So people should go watch the video and see what we're actually- Are you talking about me? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, he's saying that we- No! | ||
| I mean, I don't know, were you working with a Katari act? | ||
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No! | |
| He said it was addressed to me, I'm like, what? | ||
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It is addressed to you, but- I don't know why, you know. | |
| That's the thing, I think they're trying to get you to kill the story. | ||
| Yeah, they're trying to get you to kill the story. | ||
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Oh, that'll never happen. | |
| Oh, he's not going to. | ||
| I'll give the story more money if you try and do that. | ||
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Anyway, so this is verifiably untrue, the fact that we're in direct contact with Katari-sponsored hackers. | |
| There's nothing to do with it. | ||
| Sounds pretty cool. | ||
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We can get our things without hackers, that's the thing. | |
| Yeah, we don't need hackers. | ||
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We're learning a lot of new skills, by the way. | |
| That's exciting. | ||
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I think that's why they think we're intelligent. | |
| We learned a code. | ||
| I'll tell you, this is a big problem probably for international elites dealing with, like, gutter crust like me from the south side of Chicago, who's like, I don't know what you're talking about, dude. | ||
| Uh, you know, like you, you can't email me and send me these things thinking that I'm gonna do anything about what you guys... Well, you won't even... Sorry. | ||
| You won't even see it. | ||
| Well, I know about the, I know they sent the emails and I just immediately just click it and close it. | ||
| I'm like, I don't care. | ||
| I'm not going to read it. | ||
| Burn it. | ||
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You hear that, Steptoe? | |
| Don't waste your time. | ||
| Don't waste your time on Tim, man. | ||
| Cause I didn't even know what you guys were working on. | ||
| I'm just like, oh, those crazy kids getting accused of being spies again. | ||
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Yeah, you want to read that part of the newsletter? | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So this was our election day, by the way. | ||
| This was the election day letter. | ||
| That was the first. | ||
| That was the first one? | ||
| I was eating cake on election day. | ||
| We were sending, well, the day before we sent very specific, because they told us we were vague. | ||
| I said, I just want to talk to you about Nigeria. | ||
| I didn't email Steptoe. | ||
| I emailed Broidy and his wife, and I had already tweeted at them documents. | ||
| I'm like, are these real? | ||
| These fake? | ||
| Please help. | ||
| And no response. | ||
| I get a response from Steptoe. | ||
| Emily read from it. | ||
| She cc'd. | ||
| Then we get this response. | ||
| Dear Mr. Poole. | ||
| And this time they took Emily off, which she was not happy about. | ||
| She told them she wasn't happy. | ||
| This firm represents Elliott Brody, which we know. | ||
| Which your agents have disclosed is the subject of a quote, scare quote, story being prepared for publication on your YouTube channel. | ||
| Your agent, which is me, proposes to make outlandish accusations unsupported by fact or law. | ||
| Outlandish. | ||
| And if you read the indictment, that summary of what happened with Brody, it's to a T what we were already looking at. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| We write again today to demand that you cease and dismiss your unlawful harassment of and threatening behavior toward Mr. Brody, his public relations agent Nathan Miller, and his associates. | ||
| Your employees and agents have employed intimidating and unlawful tactics in what you purport to be a reporting operation, including the illegal taping of conversations with Mr. Miller Agents for hire? | ||
| That's not as cool. | ||
| It's not. | ||
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No. | |
| It's mercenary. | ||
| legally taped conversations that you propose to disclose with untruthful commentary. | ||
| This conduct makes you clear that you are not a legitimate media organization, but rather | ||
| agents for hire masquerading as media." | ||
| Oh, agents for hire. | ||
| That's not as cool. | ||
| That's not. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's mercenary. | ||
| Mercenary. | ||
| We will be contacting YouTube to seek removal of any content about Mr. Brody produced by | ||
| your organization. | ||
| So let's see if it's still on actually. | ||
| To begin, your ostensible editor reporter Rocco Castoro expressed surprise that his | ||
| calls and emails to me and my law firm were returned by Nathan Miller, even though in | ||
| your signature you've got a number and an email and I have no- | ||
| I've already emailed Mr. Broidy about the questions. | ||
| I didn't hear back from anyone. | ||
| I'm recording this- So, you know, I'm recording this- | ||
| Why is he emailing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because he told us in the first email that we had documents that have not been reported on or that no other reporter has been in possession of. | ||
| What sounds like the most pressing thing is that there are compromised people all over the US. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And like, what levels of government and industries? | ||
| Hollywood, government, media. | ||
| Probably private sector. | ||
| I mean, it makes sense. | ||
| But like, who are they? | ||
| So, I'll put it this way. | ||
| I've had about 10 individuals, some of them very high-powered, since I've left Vice, do things that were very, very inexplicable. | ||
| And, you know, I've been called a conspiracy theorist all my life. | ||
| Well, I get to maybe perhaps prove that some of these individuals Um, we're doing things that were very weird, and I have documentation over the years. | ||
| And imagine someone like me having proof that you tried to do something tricky with me. | ||
| So, you guys know about, like, the accusations against Epstein? | ||
| Like, what he was doing with the island? | ||
| Basically, filming people and then being like, guess what? | ||
| And then all of a sudden they started buying them. | ||
| That's nothing new, yeah. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Is this something similar? | ||
| Like, you got a bunch of really wealthy, powerful powerful people and people in the industry. | ||
| No, it's more like you took dirty money and we didn't tell you. | ||
| It's, it's the same and that like, it's Epstein, could you film you with a, just a girl that | ||
| looked underage and leverage that against you or he could procure, you know, it's, it | ||
| goes all, you're radioactive at that point. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, sure. | ||
| No. | ||
| So what does that mean for this country? | ||
| It's very scary, and it's something people need to start talking about and figuring out amongst themselves. | ||
| If there's anything we can unite over, it's like foreign influence should not be anywhere near us in this regard, and the scale is so big it's too big to fail. | ||
| Does it impact our elections? | ||
| Yes, for certain. | ||
| I don't think it impacts voting machines, and I don't think it results in what you... it's very carefully crafted, because again, it's not... and the U.S. | ||
| has done studies on this that no one, including the media, talks about Chinese-Russia relations for cybercrime, which makes sense. | ||
| Why wouldn't they collaborate on cybercrime? | ||
| Makes no... like, why wouldn't they? | ||
| So people need to start looking at it through an international lens versus a domestic lens. | ||
| So what you're saying is that Russia interfered in- I'm just kidding. | ||
| No, not quite. | ||
| So to what degree does it affect the elections? | ||
| Is it direct? | ||
| Is it indirect? | ||
| Are they like- Mind crimes is the best way to put it. | ||
| Mind crimes? | ||
| Yeah, I don't have a word for it. | ||
| Like what is that- Like Orwellian, right? | ||
| No, but like what are they doing? | ||
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You have to realize they've been playing a long, long, long game. | |
| And it's not something they're just going to swoop in before the election or even be like, oh, we're going to- Another thing I keep seeing is like, oh, well, these machines use Chinese parts. | ||
| And it's like, you're looking in the wrong- Do you know what a sea turtle attack is? | ||
| Have you heard of this? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's when I put something on your server, it could be an Amazon server, so a legitimate server, that then the server is tricked into thinking it's legitimate, okay? | ||
| So it could be a certificate that I put on some site I use to host fake news, incendiary content, right? | ||
| That you click on from Facebook and then it launches a back-end JavaScript application or something like that that infects your machine or something and that could do whatever, right? | ||
| That is, think about that. | ||
| That's not political. | ||
| That's chaotic. | ||
| The point of that is to cause chaos, to undermine, you know, the institutions like the free press in America, which is the only place that you can actually check these things in the way that we can. | ||
| And I get sued. | ||
| Even in England, you get sued. | ||
| I feel like our institutions kind of undermine themselves, man. | ||
| They do. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| And is it because of a long game, a long time manipulating? | ||
| Think about it this way. | ||
| Countries that have no repercussions for You know, if I went and tried to hack a bunch of servers in an allied country, I'd probably go to jail, right? | ||
| If someone goes and does that in Russia to the U.S., they like have a party. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
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| And I don't blame them. | ||
| I'm like, cool. | ||
| Like I get it. | ||
| That was a Syrian electronic army stuff that we had covered way back when. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's, you know, it's the same stuff, but it happens here. | ||
| It's been happening from people that are thirsty, people that want clout. | ||
| And that aren't legitimate in their enterprise. | ||
| And what I mean by that is, you know, I don't want to point anybody out right now, but like there's just a lot of disingenuous people masquerading as journalists and hiding behind shield walls. | ||
| Put it that way. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, and it's really sad and it's so crazy because it's like, someone that you might have a gut feeling is doing that, the minute you start scraping their servers and stuff, you're like, oh my god, it's so much worse than I thought. | ||
| We've been working on Maltego, which is a cool program. | ||
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It's not just Maltego, but we're using a lot of tools. | |
| What is that? | ||
| Maltego is actually like, it's, you can plug in, we've mostly been using it to look at name servers, domains. | ||
| It's an investigative tool. | ||
| Yeah, it's an investigative tool, and you can pretty much run transforms on these entities in order to expand their connections and dig deeper into those things. | ||
| So, you know, I don't know if you have an example you want to use, but... | ||
| I mean, it's, so you can type in a URL, right? | ||
| And it will literally kind of mine every, there's all these plugins you can use. | ||
| It's kind of like Pro Tools. | ||
| You've used Pro Tools or something like that, where, but I can put in malware plugins. | ||
| And they're all, it's expensive. | ||
| You have to actually get a license. | ||
| You have to give them your ID. | ||
| They don't want bad actors using this because you can use these tools to kind of create networks that are like cyber criminal networks and actually once we started working with 12 security we got introduced to some other signals intelligence former operatives but you know they run their own businesses now at Australia like Five Eyes people and one of them said to us we believe that you found the largest cyber syndicate of criminals in history and we're like whatever dude and like we're just like blowing through it but now I would have to say we have definitely found | ||
| We found URLs that are in Cyrillic, which should not happen, and Mandarin, which should not happen. | ||
| It shouldn't happen at all? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| No, it's not supposed to. | ||
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It's corrupted. | |
| Not yet. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I mean, we'll get to that in one of our episodes eventually. | ||
| Like, URLs can't have... We found URLs that are like, Obama is the n-word dot gov. | ||
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What? | |
| Dot gov? | ||
| Dot gov. | ||
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What? | |
| The dot gov domain, and they've already, the Pentagon announced this after we found it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What? | |
| James Comey for prison dot gov. | ||
| It's all hyphenated. | ||
| So the minute, I don't know what happened. | ||
| But dot govs are? | ||
| We don't know what happened. | ||
| So to clarify, but for those that don't understand, dot govs, you can't get those. | ||
| No, you can't just get a .gov. | ||
| Somebody's compromised it. | ||
| And it happened right after, not before the inauguration, but after the election. | ||
| We're talking day, there's even, what's his name? | ||
| Wait, wait, wait, 2016, 2020 election. | ||
| Oh, it's a meme? | ||
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Are you talking about the meme? | |
| Dankula? | ||
| Dunkula? | ||
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Oh yeah, you know the traps are gay meme? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's one of the .gov. | ||
| No way! | ||
| Did he do it? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| No, of course he didn't do it. | ||
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How could he possibly do that? | |
| But wait, wait, someone made that dot gov? | ||
| He's not even American. | ||
| Yeah, you can look it up. | ||
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| You can look it up. | ||
| Oh, they've probably taken him down by now. | ||
| On our Twitter, we have like a screenshot. | ||
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| When did this happen? | ||
| This happened in 2016? | ||
| Yes, 2015. | ||
| End of 2015. | ||
| If you look at the dates when they were created, it was within the transition period. | ||
| So right, kind of like right now of the election. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| It was fundamentally Well, so that's 2017, the transition period. | ||
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| I'm going to pull it up real quick so I can get this right. | ||
| Yes, you're right. | ||
| I'm getting this wrong. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| 2016, during the transition period. | ||
| So like, December 2016. | ||
| November, it was like, what was election day 2016? | ||
| What was the date? | ||
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9th. | |
| So it was like the 10th and the 11th. | ||
| It was today, four years ago. | ||
| And then more down the road, but they're the weirdest things. | ||
| And they're all hyphenated. | ||
| We've heard that if there's hyphens in your domain, that means it's a basically, you know, honeypot domain, Chinese domain. | ||
| Some of them, which is kind of true, not really true. | ||
| I gotta say, man. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| Well, it's hard to piece together. | ||
| I would say the biggest thing I've taken so far, which I've said, is that they're compromised individuals. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But then hearing that governments are compromised and people are in the take and there's some Chinese billionaire. | ||
| That's what the documents say. | ||
| I feel kind of like I'm looking at Charlie Day with this Pepe Silvia thing and I'm like, what is this? | ||
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If we got someone arrested, would you believe us? | |
| Well, I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just saying you've got, you've just told me like... I mean, our reporting got someone arrested. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| You already did. | ||
| No, I'm saying if we did. | ||
| Well, the point I'm making is, if you came to me and said, we found a network of compromised individuals, this list of potential, you know, individuals who are compromised, I'd be like, wow, who's doing it? | ||
| You say it's not necessarily China, but it's... There's deposition that shows people like, Emily knows a little bit more about that. | ||
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Oh yeah, which deposition? | |
| Waller. | ||
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Okay, yeah. | |
| No, you have to, it's not an easy thing to explain, you know? | ||
| I mean, you know Brittany Kaiser, right? | ||
| You used to live with Brittany. | ||
| So she could explain this to you very easily because she understands data. | ||
| And we, yeah, we think that people that were working for Cambridge and people that were working for other places like that, that's obviously continued. | ||
| It's not going to go away. | ||
| And we're not saying, it's not related just to elections, it's related to behavioral stuff, psychographics, figuring people out. | ||
| And people like Waller, who are longtime propagandists, or at least they understand propaganda, and have participated in it. | ||
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Yeah, I mean, he pretty much admits to helping run an amplification network. | |
| So who's that? | ||
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J. Michael Waller is somebody that we actually interviewed on Subverse in the early days. | |
| He's a propaganda expert. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
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Yeah, you remember him. | |
| Of course. | ||
| Propaganda expert explaining how it all works. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
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The hoax screening. | |
| That was a Cernovich event. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| That's really funny. | ||
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So you should keep that in mind. | |
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what you're saying about Mike Cernovich though. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I'm just saying like he's, he, he, I believe he was, you know, he was in, in hoax, right? | ||
| Uh, Waller was. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
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And so he, he's admitted in deposition to feeding these amplification networks. | |
| What are the amplification networks? | ||
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Huh? | |
| Like what, what, what, who, who's amplification networks? | ||
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Well, so that's part of an investigation that we're doing. | |
| So would you tell me you got a bunch of... You want to see a picture of them? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I need to understand what the elevator pitch is to what all this is. | ||
| Really simple. | ||
| People that have... | ||
| Largely associated with what some may call the alt-right, have run a series of botnets to amplify false stories that are disingenuous and for possibly, I don't know, money, like monetization, clout. | ||
| Who's directing it? | ||
| I don't think anybody's directing it. | ||
| I think there's malware as a platform, if you will, like malware-oss, if you will, that sits on these servers and does various things and there's different ways you can kind of So you're saying that there are personalities that have access to these amplification networks for clout and for wealth? | ||
| the room. So you're saying there are personalities that have access to these | ||
| Yes. | ||
| amplification networks you know for clout and for wealth? | ||
| Yes. And how does that relate to China? Well if the tools that they were | ||
| given to do it come from China that's the edge of the law. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not a lawyer. | ||
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But you have to also remember there are multiple amplification networks. | |
| Some of them overlap and some of them have different sources as far as like who's feeding them, who's running them, who's paying them. | ||
| So not everyone is being paid. | ||
| Some people are doing it just for clout, just for clicks, just for follows and stuff like that. | ||
| Or because they want to support a president? | ||
| Could be. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Yeah, but that's disingenuous. | ||
| We're going to laugh at you and say you're not a real journalist, and hopefully someone's going to sue you. | ||
| These are journalists? | ||
| Yes, many of them are calling. | ||
| Well, they seem to be in flux. | ||
| It depends on what day of the week it is. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| They're hiding behind shield walls, is my point. | ||
| No one wants to prosecute a journalist because it's messy. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| No kidding. | ||
| I'm trying to figure out what's breaking the law. | ||
| We didn't say it was breaking the law. | ||
| We just said we're not lawyers, but we will roundly accuse them of being disingenuous and fraudulent. | ||
| There's a class action suit that could happen with their followers, that's for sure. | ||
| Like they know they're lying and you know they know they're lying? | ||
| We can prove it. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And so are you saying Mike Cernovich, straight up? | ||
| No, we're not saying that. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| We're saying there's interesting things happening on his backend, on his site. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On his website? | ||
| We are tracing crypto from a variety of sources now, and we will be able to tell exactly where that came from. | ||
| So how does that relate to compromised individuals at Harvard or whichever? | ||
| Well, you asked how the amplification networks. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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No, I mean, not all of these things are directly connected. | |
| They do have lots of tangents that overlap. | ||
| Data. | ||
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Data is how it connects. | |
| Who's using the data, who's collecting the data, what they're doing with the data, that overlaps in a lot of ways. | ||
| And Guo Wengui seems to more and more connect to every bit of this. | ||
| Like for instance, Bannon, when he left the administration, he visited the UAE. | ||
| I've been told several different things. | ||
| I've been told it was concerning Khashoggi. | ||
| That was way before we know what happened happened. | ||
| I've been told that it was to, in the documents, it talks about monies that was owed by Malaysia to the AE that China was taking care of. | ||
| But I know that he was summoned. | ||
| I know that he visited there, and I know that Guo was brought up, but in the context of more blackmail, let's say, regarding the royal court there. | ||
| That's at least what I've been told from the source. | ||
| I'm trying to verify that. | ||
| Obviously, these people don't want to talk to me, and that's how I know there's some real big things to talk about here. | ||
| And we're getting threatened, you know? | ||
| So, like, what's the problem? | ||
| My point is, are they breaking the law? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| They always talk about how stupid and shitty the mainstream media is. | ||
| Like, you know, maybe we should, like, we're trying to just tell the truth and report so that we're not doing it politically. | ||
| It just sounds like the way you're framing it, everything's broken. | ||
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It is. | |
| The internet's broken. | ||
| That's what Timothy Berners-Lee has been saying for years, that the DNS, the underpinnings of the internet, the way that a domain that's Timcast resolves to a server, and then other URLs are on that server, it's fundamentally broken. | ||
| And it is. | ||
| It sounds like everything's broken. | ||
| The media's broken. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Independent media. | ||
| Politics is broken. | ||
| Hollywood's broken. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Hollywood, Harvard. | ||
| So we have an idea of instead of selling open source intelligence to foreign governments, we're going to raise money to make our own platform so we can have people subscribe, like Netflix, so housewives in Minnesota can help solve international relations schemes. | ||
| What? | ||
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How? | |
| True crime's the number one genre. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| You're right. | ||
| So doing like a journalism show and reaching out for crowdsource support. | ||
| That's kind of cool. | ||
| With editorial levels. | ||
| So it's like Reddit, but there's some, there's editorial oversight. | ||
| Then we obviously aren't reporting on anything that hasn't been vetted. | ||
| But we'll have raw data sets and they can help sort it out. | ||
| So you're mentioning all of these things. | ||
| I think, like I mentioned, you know, now that it's time, the thing that sticks out the most is that there are people in this country who are compromised. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And how does that relate? | ||
| Like, it's a different story you're saying. | ||
| No, it's the same story. | ||
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It's the same story. | |
| But like you said, it's so complicated, you have to break it down into smaller parts. | ||
| And another thing is, like, I know we used to do, like, pretty much daily videos, and that was basically a meat grinder. | ||
| We shouldn't be doing that, which is why we're taking the time to go the investigative route. | ||
| And people, I hope, understand and appreciate that. | ||
| And it'll be more regular. | ||
| We went to Wyoming recently to investigate shell companies that are associated with some of these people. | ||
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Yes. | |
| This, I think, requires like a written article, some kind of visualization. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Well, you'll see. | ||
| Well, because I don't know who this... Guai? | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Guo Wengui. | ||
| You've talked about him on your videos. | ||
| Me? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
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In one of your videos, you used a Daily Mail article about him. | |
| Yeah, I think it briefly mentioned that he was like... I know you didn't want us to talk about it. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Well, that's what Libya said. | ||
| Libya? | ||
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Libya said? | |
| Well, she said that... I'm sorry, I was thinking about that. | ||
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No, it was Ian. | |
| Ian told me that you didn't want to talk about it. | ||
| Talk about what? | ||
| About a quote. | ||
| No, I never said that. | ||
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I'm so confused. | |
| I've never heard Tim talk about that ever. | ||
| I've never told anybody. | ||
| The only thing I've told people not to talk about is, I say, swear if you want, because YouTube deranks videos if you swear. | ||
| I'm sorry that we did that. | ||
| And the surprising thing is that YouTube actually allows racial slurs, so long as they're in the context of an educational descriptor. | ||
| But we don't want those either. | ||
| Other than that, you pull out documents talking about, you know, Mike Cernovich. | ||
| I know the guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You should ask him. | ||
| Will you ask him? | ||
| Yeah, I'll ask him. | ||
| Like, if you've got documents and you've got something to say, I'm not going to talk about it. | ||
| I mean, like, you know, we have checks that are from, you know, well, I'm not going to, we'll talk about it in a second, but. | ||
| You know, and some of this is based off people that, yeah, I'm not saying it's definitive. | ||
| I'm saying we have a lot of questions and this is separate from us looking at the servers, which I have a very, very, a lot of concerns. | ||
| When I hear about like amplification networks, that sounds like Occupy Wall Street stuff to me. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's the thing is I think you know a lot about this stuff that, you know, I mean, you know, Brittany Kaiser, you know, these people, like they all participate in this. | ||
| I mean, they should be able to tell us exactly what went down. | ||
| I mean, she's been leaking stuff left and right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For those that don't know, Brittany Kaiser is the whistleblower from Cambridge Analytica. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I said the media's called her that, but I mean, you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's still working with certain people. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I know for sure. | ||
| You know for sure? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Other people know for sure. | ||
| We have suspicions. | ||
| Other people know for sure. | ||
| When I hear about amplification networks, I'm kind of like, look, man, if it falls into the realm of free speech and you've got someone who's dumb spreading around dumb things, like, I don't know what I'm supposed to, like, what are we supposed to do about that? | ||
| Well, can smart people then embarrass them publicly and troll them into completely embarrassing and take their money? | ||
| Like, John McAfee did tell me one thing that held up. | ||
| You don't make money, you take money. | ||
| So if I take their money on freedom of speech and call them out, is that wrong? | ||
| How do you take their money? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I defund them. | ||
| Like, you know, defund the police. | ||
| We'll defund... I don't care about that. | ||
| I'm gonna defund the trolls. | ||
| I can out-troll them. | ||
| I know I can. | ||
| I'll prove it. | ||
| Where does the money come from? | ||
| Who's funding it? | ||
| We're gonna find out. | ||
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We're finding out. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| What if it's from foreign actors? | ||
| Then what? | ||
| Then they gotta register, depending on the extent to which... What if they didn't? | ||
| Should they go to jail? | ||
| No, you tell them to register as foreign agents. | ||
| And if they don't? | ||
| They shouldn't be allowed to do what they're doing. | ||
| I mean, they can. | ||
| You've got the BBC, you've got Sputnik, you've got RT, you've got Al Jazeera. | ||
| Voice of America, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you've got all of these different media outlets putting out their perspective, their propaganda, their governments pay for it. | ||
| What's our perspective, though? | ||
| We don't like criminals? | ||
| That's a good perspective to have. | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
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So I guess the issue is... Or disingenuous actors. | |
| Are you just going after people because you think they put out... No, we're doing an investigation and we look at stuff and we're like, whoa, that's connected to that. | ||
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What? | |
| That's connected to that. | ||
| Why is that connected to that? | ||
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Yeah, no, it's all information that people should be aware of. | |
| And then she starts leaking us tons of stuff is what happens, you know. | ||
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So then what? | |
| Give people more information so they can be informed on what to believe and where to get their information. | ||
| If people want to stay in an echo chamber, I guess that's their prerogative. | ||
| They do. | ||
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That's fine. | |
| But let them know that that's what they're doing. | ||
| Some people don't know that's what they're doing. | ||
| But why are you trying to tell your audience what they want? | ||
| I think you're underestimating people. | ||
| No, I try to tell people all the time to make sure they watch other people. | ||
| And I actually got, they yell at me because I only ever shout out leftist YouTubers. | ||
| You gotta quit using Daily Mail, by the way. | ||
| No, you guys are wrong. | ||
| They wanted me to be editor-in-chief at Daily Mail. | ||
| I used that to leverage Rolling Stone for an offer that I leveraged against Vice. | ||
| But I had no intention of working at Daily Mail. | ||
| I mean, they're literal launderers of filth. | ||
| So I use NewsGuard, which is a third-party rating agency, right? | ||
| So there's only a few exceptions I would use for what I would, you know, Project Red House is one of them. | ||
| Not verified, yeah. | ||
| And they're not verified. | ||
| But then basically, unless it's a bit of like opinion commentary, Daily Wire, for instance, they're not certified. | ||
| Daily Mail is, and what ends up happening is, if I pull up a story from The Hill, and then I pull up a story from Fox and CNN, all of that same context and cited information is on the Daily Mail. | ||
| So what ends up happening is, when I go through everything, I end up choosing what has the most comprehensive source. | ||
| They do aggregate. | ||
| I was talking about their original reporting, I guess, more than their aggregated stuff. | ||
| That makes sense, I get that. | ||
| I mean, I'm just saying, though, you know, at the same time, AP or Reuters or AFP, I don't see much bias in the reporting. | ||
| I guess there could be angles that are biased in individual reporters or individual reporters. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| I know very few reporters left. | ||
| When I read stuff all the time, you see... But because these bad actors are defunding dirtilism in a lot of ways. | ||
| That's another problem I have professionally. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're not defunding themselves? | ||
| But how are they getting media defunded? | ||
| No, defunded. | ||
| Because they're committing ad fraud and click fraud. | ||
| That ad fraud and click fraud could be... And it's based off incendiary content that a lot of times is not true. | ||
| Or it's a disingenuous angle that has nothing to do... You hit a nail on the head. | ||
| You know, if you're going to say, I'm doing this for X, Y, and Z, I'm doing this for Julian Assange, or I'm doing this for this person, but your real intention is to elect the president, then I'm going to scrape your servers, call you a liar, and roundly embarrass you in public, because I think it's funny. | ||
| And that's my freedom of speech. | ||
| And people like to watch other people get embarrassed, so I'll probably make some money off of it too. | ||
| It's my prerogative, you know. | ||
| So what do you think all this goes? | ||
| It sounds like you have more than one story. | ||
| We have about 20. | ||
| And we have several other media partners. | ||
| Well, I want to see this list of compromised people be confirmed. | ||
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We're not going to show that to anyone until we've confirmed it. | |
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But I mean, that's a national security issue. | ||
| It is. | ||
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Which is why we have to be responsible with what we're doing with it and verifying it. | |
| In fact, that's who we go to to verify it once we're, we're also reporters and and we can can use sources, you know, the Supreme Court's held it up. | ||
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Because what if you go, what if you go to the government with it? | |
| No, that's not the Pentagon papers. | ||
| How do you know that? | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| That's a good question, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so if... It sounds like everything's broken. | ||
| You go to a... Everyone's lying. | ||
| What you do is you create a situation where you go to a partner of the U.S., one of the Five Eyes nations, and you make sure that each step, because it's not just our problem, that each step of that is being handled with a backstop that makes sure that that can't get scuttled. | ||
| Because I do think the other set of documents we have from 1MDB If they are not, you know, one of these things where it's a | ||
| mixture of altered and real documents, which we are totally considering, that's why we're methodically | ||
| going by through each one, because either way it's a national security issue, right? | ||
| We have to get to the bottom of it. | ||
| How do you know you're not useful idiots? | ||
| Well, we know that this document in particular, because we went and visited a munitions salesman | ||
| and he said, I don't know where they got this document. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is a former, like, intelligence agent that is very well respected throughout the Pentagon community, and actually will screw his business up if it finds out that these people, a middleman, got it and put brokerage fees. | ||
| And then, you know, like, do you really think that people should be, like, getting in the middle of arms sales? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I mean, like, often journalists will be used as a weapon. | ||
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Yeah, so that's actually a really good point, and I want to talk about that real quick, because Elliot Brody sent very similar legal threats back in 2018 to a number of outlets who were reporting on a totally separate trove of documents. | |
| And in their first letter to us, I think they expected that we had that same stack of documents, because It was, like, I talked to an AP reporter who also worked on the story and received the same legal threats and said, yep, that was the same line, blah blah blah, and then he told me a little bit about what was in his documents and I thought, wow, that's strange, we have nothing that talks about that in our stack. | ||
| So yes, a lot of, a lot of other, the accusation was made towards other outlets back in 2018 that they were receiving doctored materials and reporting off of those. | ||
| However, they did their best to, at least AP, did their best to verify a lot of those and they reported based on what they could verify, which I think is responsible. | ||
| And they were never sued. | ||
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And they were never sued. | |
| All right, all right. | ||
| Let me ask you guys something. | ||
| Glenn Greenwald quit The Intercept. | ||
| It's a baby. | ||
| He co-founded it. | ||
| You say what? | ||
| He's a baby. | ||
| He's a baby? | ||
| He cried. | ||
| Why do you say that? | ||
| Because people get edited. | ||
| I was an editor-in-chief. | ||
| Did you read what he wrote? | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| He said that when they would write anti-Trump stuff, there would be no editing and no fact-checking. | ||
| And when he tried to write about Biden, they would give him the full gauntlet. | ||
| That's not the only weird thing he's done in a while. | ||
| Where are the Snowden archives? | ||
| Why were they not maintained? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| What happened with Reality Winner? | ||
| He could get to the bottom of that. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I tweeted at him and I said, I'm not going to read this until Reality Winner and Jeremy Hammond and other people are out of jail and they can fucking tell their side of the story, right? | ||
| I don't care what he said because it's disingenuous. | ||
| So what about Matt Taibbi? | ||
| Matt Taibbi seems, I mean, I love The Exiled. | ||
| So you have these journalists who have quit saying that the media is corrupt. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Protecting a political party. | ||
| Well, there's certainly... I mean, is everyone who does that going to be automatically a hero? | ||
| Like, no, there's going to be people on both sides. | ||
| I'm not saying they're heroes. | ||
| I'm saying we've got the... it seems like the entirety of the media functioning as a... | ||
| I shouldn't say entirety, I'll be very specific. | ||
| We have a large portion of high-profile individuals, particularly at the New York Times and other outlets, that are in the bag for a political ideology. | ||
| I think people need to start looking at reporters as individuals. | ||
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Absolutely, 100%. | |
| I've been actually preaching that for a while, just because you... I'll use Hong Kong as an example, because SCMP, which takes a lot of money from Alibaba and China ties, of course. | ||
| So, individual reporters who were covering the Hong Kong protests did amazing work. | ||
| However, unfortunately, when their work came out the other end and was edited, it didn't always reflect what the reporters were doing. | ||
| So, you have to, I think, look at individual reporters, their work, and, you know, what their interests are, or if they get paid by certain Foreign actors, or... For sure, but... Like, Barry Weiss quits the New York Times saying that it's basically become an ideological wokefest. | ||
| We got more Slack leaks today from New York Mag that they're demanding of other employees, which side are you on? | ||
| They said, we're at the barricades of, like, change or something. | ||
| The people in these news organizations are literally trying to enact some kind of political agenda. | ||
| I'm not saying literally every single one, because I use this reporting all day as well. | ||
| But you have to, like, fight through. | ||
| It's like, you know, you're walking through the weeds with a machete trying to figure out where the real news is. | ||
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It's happening on both the right and the left. | |
| I mean, but the right doesn't have that kind of apparatus. | ||
| You have to be a responsible adult, is what you have to be. | ||
| Too bad. | ||
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The world's a complicated place. | |
| So when Tom Cotton publishes an article about how the military needs to be activated and go in and take care of some of this rioting, and the news boardroom throws a freaking fit... I don't read opinion columns, so I don't know. | ||
| That's not news. | ||
| It's something that needs to be said. | ||
| He has a right to say it. | ||
| Sure, he can post it on his Twitter or whatever. | ||
| I mean, who cares? | ||
| Just like Facebook and Twitter need to decide, are you a platform or a publisher? | ||
| Are you guys okay with the editorial room just like melting down? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| But I don't care. | ||
| They're supposed to be being adults. | ||
| He's a powerful person. | ||
| He can find another outlet. | ||
| Deal with it. | ||
| I've been rejected too. | ||
| And I've had stories completely censored and I'm not complaining about it because I just do the story. | ||
| What are we supposed to do right now when journalists are just activists? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Are you an activist? | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| In a lot of ways. | ||
| Then why do you call yourself a journalist? | ||
| Because you can be both. | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| You can perform journalism. | ||
| You can't be a reporter. | ||
| It's literally defined as advocacy journalism. | ||
| So I would consider myself, as I always have, and in many aspects, information activist. | ||
| What's your metric for success? | ||
| Getting out the best understanding of what's going on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, back in the day with, like, Occupy Wall Street, before Occupy, my involvement was based on me being a part of information activist hacker crews. | ||
| So, these people didn't consider themselves journalists, but news organizations called them journalists. | ||
| They called themselves, jokingly, hacktavernalists, as, like, a joke of mashing it all together. | ||
| Information activism was, let the transparency. | ||
| Give people the information, let them know, and let the decentralized network of individuals decide. | ||
| I don't agree with that. | ||
| We have something very very different in today's media where we actively have, and I've dealt with this surprisingly not at Vice for the most part, but at Fusion for instance. | ||
| Lie. | ||
| Lie to the public. | ||
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ABC. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| Tell the audience what they want to hear, we want to make money. | ||
| There you go, right? | ||
| But now you have... Here's what I see happening. | ||
| News organizations were dying. | ||
| Have you noticed this? | ||
| It's really interesting that all these companies, even social media companies, were bleeding users, losing money, and then Trump got elected. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, Twitter started gaining users, and the media started writing about him all day, every day, non-stop. | ||
| The most absurd stories, stories about the alt-right started popping up, and they started making more money. | ||
| True. | ||
| They found a way to milk revenue. | ||
| Have you seen much field reporting in the past few years? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| And this is something I coined the CNN challenge. | ||
| I have two videos on my Instagram where you turn on Fox News when a news story breaks and then turn on CNN and guess what? | ||
| Guess what Fox News is talking about? | ||
| Watch Al Jazeera and ignore both. | ||
| Well, you watch Al Jazeera, you get Cutter's perspective. | ||
| Well, you do. | ||
| But for everything that's not Cutter, it's going to be at least there's some on-the-ground reporting. | ||
| No one's going to GOMA from Fox or CNN, okay? | ||
| And I'm interested in that. | ||
| Now, do I have to then filter that from my own adult lens of being an adult person that has to discern? | ||
| They have agendas. | ||
| Everyone might have an agenda. | ||
| I have my own biases and things. | ||
| Yes, you do. | ||
| That's your responsibility. | ||
| I'm not going to spoon feed you or else you're going to end up with a divided country that's literally divided over like two or three issues and they could not tell you what they want. | ||
| They couldn't tell you, the average person could not tell you what's going to make them happy. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's their fault. | ||
| That's not no one else's fault. | ||
| That's their fault. | ||
| They're adults and they need to come to terms with that. | ||
| But you can probably guess my immediate bias is going to say that's predominantly an element of the default liberal or the left. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't look at the world in those terms. | ||
| I look at the world through an international relations lens. | ||
| There's a great book called The Tragedy of Great Power Politics. | ||
| It'll explain to you how the world works. | ||
| It's a neocon Bible, actually. | ||
| I'm not a neocon. | ||
| But it tells you, particularly in regards to China and the big threat of the sleeping giant, as they call it. | ||
| How international states, nation-states, how self-interest, so what's good for me and what's good for my allies is what's going to motivate me, and the pursuit of hegemony, which is being the ultimate power of the world, bar none. | ||
| That is what drives them. | ||
| Now that sounds a lot like what's going on with human beings right now. | ||
| And I don't think that's a tenable way. | ||
| Maybe it is. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll find out. | ||
| But certainly all this violence in the streets and the 49 states landslide, that didn't happen. | ||
| And that's nonsense. | ||
| Violence in the streets happened. | ||
| They called the National Guard in the Philly. | ||
| It didn't happen like it happens in other countries where there's true election interference, where people are getting shot at the polls. | ||
| And people said that was going to happen. | ||
| It didn't. | ||
| Oh yeah, well those people are nuts. | ||
| So we've had 49 state landslides in the past. | ||
| When? | ||
| Like 1873 or something? | ||
| 1988. | ||
| Or was it 84? | ||
| 84, sorry. | ||
| 88 was Bush. | ||
| 84, there you go. | ||
| 1984. | ||
| Conspiracy. | ||
| Oh yeah, it was 84. | ||
| It was the Reagan 49 state landslide. | ||
| 1972 was Nixon. | ||
| It happens when there's, you know, and it wasn't absolute unity, it was just the states had slightly more people who all agreed with Reagan or Nixon. | ||
| Do you believe gerrymandering is an issue that affects elections? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's complicated, though. | ||
| One of the big things we got from this election was that the Republicans took more House legislatures, which means come 2021, they're going to control redistricting, which is going to reshape the House at the federal level. | ||
| The thing about gerrymandering is that it's often only ever talked about in a negative light. | ||
| Why is this district shaped this way? | ||
| And definitely there's a power battle between the Democrats and the Republicans. | ||
| There's also a concern that if you just did everything as blocks, you would end up with extreme minority disrepresentation. | ||
| Meaning, if you ever looked at the diagram for how they talk about gerrymandering, if you have five blocks, and each block has two yellow and three green, green controls everything. | ||
| But that means 40% of your country has no representation at all. | ||
| So with gerrymandering, you create some voice for the minority because we're a republic. | ||
| It's not, uh, it's not so simple as to say how it should or shouldn't be done. | ||
| Which plays into Electoral College as well with what you're, you know. | ||
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Right. | |
| Which is the Electoral College, in my opinion, is extremely important. | ||
| But even Trump wanted to abolish that the first term. | ||
| Because Trump's a politician and they all say these things. | ||
| Whenever it's coming down to why they're going to lose, they'll create a reason for it. | ||
| But he didn't lose the first time. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then all of a sudden he's like, oh, well, those are the rules. | ||
| Hillary Clinton played by the exact same rules. | ||
| She just didn't think she was going to lose the blue wall. | ||
| She lost. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The Democrats believed that they had the blue wall states in the bag and she didn't need to go there. | ||
| And she lost them by razor-thin margins. | ||
| Wouldn't it be great to not have to think about any of that and just have a direct democracy? | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Because I witnessed what happened in California when you don't have proportional representation based on natural resources. | ||
| When in East Porterville their well water was stripped away because San Diego and Los Angeles were able to vote away the water rights from smaller towns. | ||
| I live in Los Angeles. | ||
| It's lovely. | ||
| It's a great place to live. | ||
| Yeah, so it's easy for you to say when you live in Los Angeles and you've got 13 million people who vote against the 300,000. | ||
| There's a water problem. | ||
| There's a lot of problems. | ||
| And you know what, you know what LA did? | ||
| You voted to take the surface water from the poor migrants in the east. | ||
| I didn't vote for anything. | ||
| I'm not saying, I'm saying Los Angeles did this. | ||
| In Los Angeles, the city said, we get the surface water. | ||
| So the farmers said, how are we supposed to grow food? | ||
| So they started digging wells down thousands of feet. | ||
| And all of the poor farmer families who did the labor that feed people in this country lost access to their own water. | ||
| And they were given big tanks of dirty non-potable water. | ||
| This is why the Electoral College, I believe, is important. | ||
| Because we've already gone through issues, and I've learned all about this when I was doing fundraising for non-profit groups in Chicago to protect Lake Michigan. | ||
| Several states were trying to sue the Great Lakes Coalition to take water from the Great Lakes, depleting them, and send them into areas that were experiencing drought, saying, we are one country, we have the right. | ||
| That's not correct. | ||
| I believe that's absolutely wrong. | ||
| And Illinois should have its own representation to protect its interests, as should Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio and Pennsylvania or other states that line the Great Lakes. | ||
| Because these states have a coalition. | ||
| Along with Ontario. | ||
| To manage the amount of water that the Great Lakes have because if they use too much or pollute them, then it drains. | ||
| It'll be gone forever. | ||
| They need to make sure it keeps replenishing. | ||
| Other states want that water. | ||
| If we were going by direct popular vote, then Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago would dictate almost everything. | ||
| No, that's not true. | ||
| We're talking about the presidential election, you know? | ||
| Like, that's not true. | ||
| I think direct democracy... Are you saying that direct democracy of one vote, one person popular vote would result... Terrible idea. | ||
| Would it result in only liberals winning? | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| I'm just trying to understand. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In fact, the National Popular Vote Coalition is one of the biggest mistakes California and Colorado are making. | ||
| Right now, California is not going to give their electoral votes to a Republican. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By entering the coalition, they're creating the possibility they do. | ||
| But that's the deal that everyone has to make, right? | ||
| Right. I think it's a bad idea. | ||
| Okay. Okay. | ||
| So they can go forward with it. But I think ultimately, you've got people who want some global international | ||
| cooperation. | ||
| But think about how that works with the UN. The United States makes its own laws, | ||
| and then we have international agreements and international cooperation on certain | ||
| universal laws. Like, you murder someone in the country, they're going to track you down. | ||
| However, we might not have an extradition treaty with certain countries. | ||
| The U.S. | ||
| makes its own laws. | ||
| The states make their own laws. | ||
| The cities, the counties, etc. | ||
| If we just got rid of all of that, then you end up having laws that make no sense for people in rural Montana compared to someone who lives in New York. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| You know, all I'll say is this, that I think that in the United States, people are about as well off as they've ever been in the grand scheme of things. | ||
| I definitely think that politics has become a circus show in terms of how the media has covered it. | ||
| And I think hopefully that will change in terms of you really did not see on the ground coverage. | ||
| You did not see domestic coverage that explored issues like this. | ||
| Because all the air was sucked out of the room. | ||
| So if there's one thing that I hope happens is that improves and now that the media has been essentially gutted, you know... Well, I think you guys got to do it. | ||
| Well, we could. | ||
| We're not going to, you know... Look, look, look. | ||
| One of the challenges with the stories that you're presenting is that you're actually investigating issues that are outside of this ridiculous culture war bubble. | ||
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| And so a lot of people's whole world right now is the election just happened. | ||
| Who's doing this? | ||
| Who's doing that? | ||
| Who's in my movie? | ||
| And you guys are like, Hey, we found like a network of people who might be compromised and like these, these, these manipulation or amplification networks. | ||
| Most people don't hear about that because no matter what you turn on, you're getting the same world, the same world. | ||
| And it's like, like you said, red and blue. | ||
| So when we go and even when we turn to my content, especially. | ||
| So let's say that we focus this laser beam towards journalists who are doing this compromise. | ||
| Then you're not going to hear those voices because either their handlers are going to pick them up and put them in a bag and take them somewhere, or they're going to get demonetized across platforms because they're committing advertising fraud. | ||
| And that's how we plan to solve that. | ||
| And I'll have it like this. | ||
| And we got control of the botnet, so that'll be fun. | ||
| You control the botnet? | ||
| We're going to get control of it, yeah. | ||
| I mean, but these are illegally compromised computers. | ||
| You can't do anything with that. | ||
| Oh, we can hand it over, you know, and say, hey, yep, this works with a sysadmin that's registered. | ||
| Yeah, we can do that. | ||
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So how about instead of talking about culture war stuff or like criticizing journalists who you don't think are doing a good job, you boost journalists who are? | |
| So, you guys are here. | ||
| The only reason I haven't actually built an office building and put people in is because COVID happened. | ||
| And now, I don't know if you guys remember when I was looking at the building in New Jersey. | ||
| That we had an actual building, and the plan was to bring in people and, like, do journalism. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| And walk away. | ||
| Well, you were talking about having Cassandra Fairbanks do fact-checking, though. | ||
| That's a little... I wasn't talking about having Cassandra do fact-checking. | ||
| No, I'm friends with Cassandra, but... I'm pretty sure you were. | ||
| Just like you said, I claimed Julian Assange told me... You did! | ||
| No, I did not, dude. | ||
| I don't make that shit up. | ||
| If that had happened, that would have been, like, one of the biggest stories of my career. | ||
| That's what I was like once. | ||
| Maybe I misheard you. | ||
| And you said that wasn't true. | ||
| I like Cassandra. | ||
| I think she's great. | ||
| I think she's partisan. | ||
| And I want to hire actual journalists and be like, go. | ||
| Go do journalism. | ||
| And I don't care whatever it is you pull up, tell me. | ||
| I'm not going to tell you what you can or can't. | ||
| Speaking of the water stuff, one of the first things we started investigating that COVID interrupted was about as apolitical as you get. | ||
| Everybody's got to drink water, even if you don't like it. | ||
| So, even if you're drinking Coke all day. | ||
| And it was about Pollen Springs, which is the number one, at least I believe, it might have changed since the pandemic, probably would have gone up, number one UPC scan in New York City, at least. | ||
| It's one of the biggest bottled water brands in the world. | ||
| And you've lived in New York, you know, you've seen it. | ||
| It's the, whatever that is, the Crystal River of New York and the Northeast. | ||
| Well, it appears that a third of every bottle is pumped from a location that, at least visually, and we are looking into the scientific underpinnings, and we are looking into certain permits that don't seem to add up, or let's say that there seems to be more than one version of a permit at a state level. | ||
| If you looked at this place within the 300 yard radius of this pump that pumps out or the spring supposedly that pumps out 500,000 gallons a day of water goes into about, you know, a third of every Poland spring bottle is made of this water because they blend different sources together. | ||
| It's literally got like a 1975 Chevy rotting into the dirt next to it. | ||
| It's got like disgusting toilet system. | ||
| Are you breaking more news right now? | ||
| Well, not yet. | ||
| Wait till you see the video. | ||
| We couldn't finish it because the congressional inquiries that were going to happen, and Canada in the midterm has kicked them out in terms of using any water sources, because you're right about that, you know, that relationship that's there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the congressional inquiries have now been pushed because of COVID, because they couldn't come and, you know, and do this in D.C. | ||
| So I've got several whistleblowers that have given me about 20 years worth of documents that, yeah, if we're successful, result in the largest product recall I think that's ever happened. | ||
| Sounds like something that very few outlets are doing anything of. | ||
| Well, I pitched it to several and they, um, you know, all of a sudden they love it. | ||
| And then two months later, they're like, we don't have the resources. | ||
| And you see, you see Perrier ads. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some advertisers pop up. | ||
| There's some companies that just think they came into some money. | ||
| We played a long game. | ||
| You know, I want to. | ||
| I ask people a lot of questions that I already know the answers to. | ||
| It's an old investigative tactic. | ||
| They end up lying and then I come back with the proof later and I'm like, you lied. | ||
| And then they try to worm out of it and it's a fun game. | ||
| And when you put it on camera and you put the whole process and it's transparent, no one can really leverage against you. | ||
| And it's a new way of doing things to confuse people. | ||
| They think, you know, we're agents. | ||
| I'll take that as a compliment. | ||
| I'll give you my breakdown of everything I think is happening in media. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The internet changed everything, obviously. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| But with social media algorithms, it created an opportunity for news organizations to be built around one idea. | ||
| So there was a period where we had one site, and I've mentioned this, many people who follow the show might have heard me say it, There was a website that did nothing but police brutality videos, and it was in the global top 500 websites. | ||
| Like, how insane is that? | ||
| People literally would go to this website just to watch this, as if they were addicted to watching cops beat people. | ||
| But they hated the cops. | ||
| Facebook was feeding this to people over and over and over again. | ||
| It was the algorithm, it was like, it was shocking, it was angering, and people would click it. | ||
| News outlets, they started getting venture funding. | ||
| They were the more successful outlets. | ||
| It was because they realized you could combine terms. | ||
| You can combine political retaliation with racism, with sexism, with bigotry, whatever. | ||
| And it started to create this fractured worldview. | ||
| The best example is Mike.com. | ||
| When Mike.com started, you know they were like pro-Ron Paul, pro-internet liberty? | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| And then slowly became woke social justice. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because the things that get the most shares have the most keywords, and so you could do racist, sexist cops attacking Black Lives Matter. | ||
| And what do those things do? | ||
| And what do what? | ||
| What do the most shares do? | ||
| They make the most. | ||
| They make the most money. | ||
| So this created a network of news outlets, which also created an inversion, the counter to it, right? | ||
| You created social justice and anti-SJW. | ||
| And then you end up seeing news organizations compete with this. | ||
| They all start failing. | ||
| They start losing subscribers, their ratings start going down, because rage and tribalism was visceral to people. | ||
| The dish of the day. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So then what does the New York Times do? | ||
| Hire these people! | ||
| We're losing money! | ||
| Hire them and write these stories. | ||
| And now we have activist news organizations. | ||
| And then along comes some dude who worked with this guy at Vice, who creates a YouTube channel and starts talking about his opinions, and essentially creates something very, very similar. | ||
| A partisan YouTube channel where I complain about Democrats and talk about my personal opinions and why I don't like one faction over the other, and then at a certain point I was like, this is the entire problem? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm a guy who likes talking about his opinions. | ||
| And I read the news and I say, here's what I think. | ||
| But you gravitate towards the opinion pages of the news. | ||
| You don't gravitate towards reporting. | ||
| That's not true at all. | ||
| Well, I mean, what I'm saying is there's very valid reporting in the New York Times, and there's some weird stuff in there too. | ||
| And I use the valid reporting stuff. | ||
| Fair enough, fair enough. | ||
| You can't blanket statement those comparing what you're doing to the New York Times. | ||
| Vice got in trouble for that early on. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Comparing what you're doing to the New York Times. | ||
| I'm doing opinion commentary. | ||
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Sure, but you're not doing reporting. | |
| You're not doing reporting. | ||
| You don't leave the house. | ||
| That does that. | ||
| So you cannot report. | ||
| You never call anybody on the phone. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I actually do. | ||
| Yeah, that's incorrect. | ||
| And you should record it and put it in your broadcast. | ||
| So I reach out for comments frequently. | ||
| I do emails frequently. | ||
| And I'm wrong. | ||
| I'm wrong about that. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so this is something a lot of a lot of people make assumptions like you don't even do it. | ||
| Why would you why would someone because we don't see it. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| But you don't see it when people write stories. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| The New York Times says, you know, my favorite Huffington Post story, people close to the president say he has no one close to him. | ||
| Yes, and that's a very good point. | ||
| I don't like to use anonymous sources. | ||
| The only time I use anonymous sources is if they're going to be in harm's way. | ||
| Otherwise, you should try to I did a story where I got leaked documents and I reached out to several organizations for comment and I published the story. | ||
| I've reached out, but I say it's not... What about when you got the Grinnell audio stuff? | ||
| Like from Cassandra and Grinnell and that whole... Schwartz. | ||
| Oh, but it's related to Grinnell. | ||
| Did I publish that? | ||
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No, but she gave it to you, right? | |
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I think she published that. | ||
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No, but she gave it to you and then, what, it was in February it was published by Politico? | |
| Yeah, Politico. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or I think Politico. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Natasha. | ||
| But she showed it to you in like... I don't think I had anything definitive. | ||
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You showed it to me though. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I actually have a bunch of stories that would probably... | ||
| You should let us vet him. | ||
| Yeah, you should. | ||
| You shouldn't talk about anything you don't. | ||
| The problem is I'd love to say them all right now, but if I can't prove it, I'm not gonna blur it out on the show. | ||
| You shouldn't talk about anything you can't prove. | ||
| But anyway, what I'm trying to say is, like, this is why I say as often as possible, you can't just watch my show. | ||
| You can't just watch my YouTube content. You have to go check out other people. | ||
| And I think one of the reasons YouTube has done a good job and is better than the likes of mainstream media | ||
| is that if you watch a video on a certain topic, you might get a progressive YouTuber's take on the same topic. | ||
| You might see, or even a show like, you know, The Hill's Rising, where you've got Cigar and Crystal and they're kind of both populous on each side and you get different takes on things. | ||
| But if you go to like Fox News or MSNBC, you only get one view. | ||
| And there are people who only go to those websites. | ||
| Now there's a bunch of other really garbage websites, especially there's some websites | ||
| that are right wing that are just like, they don't care to vet. | ||
| They don't want to vet. | ||
| They want to just write and get the clicks. | ||
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Like Gateway Pundit? | |
| There are some websites. | ||
| They've got some issues with their servers, too. | ||
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You want some fun? | |
| If you've got multi, go plug that one in. | ||
| Yeah, check it out. | ||
| It'll blow your mind. | ||
| But there's left-wing versions of that, too. | ||
| Albeit, the left-wing versions try to make it look like they're real news. | ||
| But you can tell. | ||
| They're not as good at the fraud as the right-wing guys. | ||
| The right-wing guys? | ||
| No, they're nowhere near as good. | ||
| I think there was... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what caused that. | ||
| I think it, it might be because older people were susceptible to this stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Boomer stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Early on. | ||
| And they started putting out crazy stories. | ||
| I even remember talking about, I talked about this once about manipulation and how you could easily see the formula that they use to make fake news, to target old right-wing individuals. | ||
| This is the crazy part to me. | ||
| And that's how, you know, at the end of the day, boomers are the ones propagating this stuff because they don't understand the internet's forever. | ||
| And it's like, we can find everything if we go and look in the right place. | ||
| The problem is right now, here's the way I see it. | ||
| The left, as we define it, whatever that means, tends to be people who just trust mainstream news outlets. | ||
| The right completely distrusts them, except for like Tucker Carlson and Hannity. | ||
| Which is ridiculous. | ||
| But for real, there was like a Pew research showing it was like, who do you trust? | ||
| It's true. | ||
| There was like on the right, the conservative side, it was all orange for like distrust, except for two blue chunks. | ||
| Journalists are overtaking lawyers is the most hated profession. | ||
| Yeah, sounds about right. | ||
| So here's what I have to deal with. | ||
| I'll be reading a news article and I'll be like, did this person even Google search this? | ||
| No. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like NBC News will do this. | ||
| And do you guys know what cytogenesis is? | ||
| It sounds familiar. | ||
| Self-referential citation in news organizations. | ||
| Oh, yes, yes, yes. | ||
| They do that, yeah. | ||
| So here's the problem. | ||
| You have two worlds of fake news. | ||
| One has, I think there are malicious actors on the right. | ||
| And then on the left, there's malicious actors, but they're just corporations. | ||
| So what they're doing is like... Astro-turfing and stuff. | ||
| It's obvious. | ||
| It's like, you know, Rick from finance is like, we need articles. | ||
| I got a million views. | ||
| Go write about Trump being bad. | ||
| And they do it. | ||
| Now let's get to the, I think one of the biggest problems on both sides are the crisis management and PR people, who I have a particular disdain for. | ||
| Because there's more PR people than there are journalists and that should be inverted, like one to three or something. | ||
| And I love going after PR people. | ||
| I mean, we're going to out a couple PR people that are doing some bad stuff pretty soon. | ||
| And I've never been allowed to do, like I've always been, I kind of, you know, by the time I was 30 or 31 had achieved most of the goals that I set out to do. | ||
| And I was really astounded. | ||
| I was very lucky. | ||
| I was very grateful for those opportunities. | ||
| But I noticed when I started doing stories like John McAfee, right, which we own the footage that will come out at some point and, you know, you just got to Google BuzzFeed Geodata Rocco and you'll find the truth. | ||
| They've SEO'd it out of existence. | ||
| But my point is like, you know, I've come up butt up against stories where it's like, no, yeah, I've been told we don't do that type of reporting. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| Like real reporting? | ||
| Like what? | ||
| And it's true though. | ||
| And so, you know, I just feel like I just feel like there's a lot of stuff that you're not supposed to do, and now that we're doing that, we're finding that we were right. | ||
| And the harder we push, and the more non-traditional people we work with, like we talked about journalism as an activity, like our sysadmin. | ||
| He's a great securities admin. | ||
| He actually was approached by Steve Bannon, and he looks in some ways fondly at some of his philosophies. | ||
| I think that might be changing now when we're showing him various things. | ||
| My point is I'm willing to talk to anyone. | ||
| I find that once I start talking about this stuff, They're like, that's too complicated. | ||
| I'm like, well, that's the crime. | ||
| It is complicated. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Like whenever I talk about Russiagate or Obamagate, it is mind-numbing. | ||
| It's really simple, though. | ||
| It's the oldest trick in the book. | ||
| You know what a shell company is, right? | ||
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| OK, so a shell company, like we went to Wyoming to investigate the shell companies that are associated with the Panama Papers, the addresses. | ||
| And we find like suites that are like five offices of all these companies, and they're all empty. | ||
| They have like a desk and chairs, no papers, a mailbox. | ||
| What the heck? | ||
| Now these are found in the Panama Papers. | ||
| Now, Guo Wengui, we talked to a guy, a senior administrator at a top three tech company, who was hired to create a script that would use the Panama Papers to, quote, create blackmail. | ||
| Okay, and he found out that that's what he was doing, and he's like, I only need to do this, and according to him, Guo took it, and took it to China, and made this, who knows what he made. | ||
| My point is, is like, you know, that's obviously an issue, and that's something nobody, they could have called this guy up, any outlet, and found this out. | ||
| If people don't understand shell companies, I don't have any, they have no hope. | ||
| If they don't understand Cambridge Analytica, they have no hope. | ||
| I don't know what to say about it, you know? | ||
| Look, you can't tell someone who dedicated their life to be- There's a whole movie on Netflix about Cambridge Journal. | ||
| I mean, they can go watch it. | ||
| Yeah, but even these, like- Dude, what did Steve Bannon realize? | ||
| He realized that Gamergate and the World of Warcraft gold miners, there was an immense power and disenfranchised audience there. | ||
| He was right. | ||
| Gamers and that and the internet and 4chan isn't of there's more people that are into that than there are movies They just you don't hear about them because they're discreet. | ||
| It's a huge audience So you can't tell me that there aren't a bunch of people on here right now that understand this and those people that understand it I don't really care about getting through the people that understand it because they're just gonna be what do you guys sheeples deeples? | ||
| Regular people spend their time Mastering their trade their craft or whatever sure they come home. | ||
| They turn the news because it's a job. | ||
| They essentially have a Yeah. | ||
| And we're going to mess that up for them. | ||
| We're going to show you how the sausage is made. | ||
| It's really disgusting. | ||
| I think most people have... Yeah, but it's not... It's kind of like we all know McDonald's chicken nuggets are gross, but we've never actually seen the video of it. | ||
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And we eat them. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't. | ||
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I haven't had it. | |
| Yeah, I'm good on that. | ||
| I've talked about it quite a bit. | ||
| I worked for, you know, ABC News Univision. | ||
| And it was... they wanted to make money. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| So, you're right. | ||
| And we shouldn't look at this through a political lens, we should look at it through a criminal lens. | ||
| And what do criminals want? | ||
| Money. | ||
| You follow the money. | ||
| And that should be about as simple as it gets. | ||
| How is he going to get more— Well, no, no, no. I'll say there's probably criminal | ||
| elements there, but the issue is— No, it's a complete— | ||
| And we've talked about this. Go to an investor and say, I want to do journalism. | ||
| And they're going to say, how much do you need and what do I get? | ||
| OK, it's going to be for a year. | ||
| I'm going to investigate this big thing. | ||
| It's going to cost half a million bucks. | ||
| OK, what do I get after a year? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what I'm going to find. | ||
| You get movie rights and a Netflix deal. | ||
| But if I don't find a news story, then you're out of luck. | ||
| Well, that would be ridiculous to try to prejudge a news story before you had proof. | ||
| You'd be stupid. | ||
| You're asking for money to launch an investigative news company. | ||
| No, I'm not asking for money. | ||
| I can find the money. | ||
| If you go to an investor and say, I want to launch an investigative outlet, and they say, what do I get? | ||
| You'll say... I have several people that just because they know who I am and what I've done, yeah. | ||
| What do you think happens when you go to an investor and say, I want to write a rage bait, you know, anti-Donald Trump or, well, Joe Biden. | ||
| Well, it depends on who it is. | ||
| If it's people like Peter Thiel or Jeff Chesia, they'd probably give you some money. | ||
| When you look at the hard numbers, the money is in writing about Brad Pitt's junk and complaining about movies and cultural issues. | ||
| Or fake traffic and botnets and malware. | ||
| For sure, for sure. | ||
| That's the criminal element. | ||
| And that's happening. | ||
| What I'm saying is the problem we face is that the short-term economic incentive is not in doing real journalism. | ||
| Yeah, so what if I take out... That's difficult! | ||
| What if I take out the very players? | ||
| Not, because I've got the list. | ||
| What if we take out the very players... | ||
| No, dude, dude, dude. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| There's no list stopping the average person from making the choice. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| But if you take that choice away from them because they're a disingenuous actor, where does it go? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| We have freedom of speech. | ||
| I'm doing the things that you're not supposed to do. | ||
| That's all I know. | ||
| And we're going to see what happens. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| We'll do more of it. | ||
| We will. | ||
| How about we do Super Chats now? | ||
| We should read Super Chats. | ||
| We're way over. | ||
| Super Chats? | ||
| What are Super Chats? | ||
| The comments from the people who are going to be... I thought it was like Super Jail. | ||
| That's my favorite show. | ||
| People throw money at us. | ||
| Can you pull up RealClearPolitics? | ||
| Do I have to dance? | ||
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Yeah, you get more money if you dance. | |
| Look up 538 RealClearPolitics. | ||
| I looked that up. | ||
| I don't see anything to confirm that they've changed their tune about those states. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Yeah, people are claiming that certain states got retracted or something. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| The Productive Slayer says, China also performed human rights violations. | ||
| They prosecute and detained people that are religious, foreign, or anyone they consider as a threat to their political system. | ||
| The big one is Uyghurs concentration camp and forces live organ harvest. | ||
| Stay away from TikTok. | ||
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I can talk about that one. | |
| We've done videos before on the Uyghurs. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| We've done two videos with a certain group in DC. | ||
| And yeah, I mean, you can go into Subverse's old videos, now Scanner, SCNR. | ||
| And yeah, we did two videos on that issue, and it's something that we are going to continue looking at, because we are making more contacts along the way regarding those things. | ||
| Very cool. | ||
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Check it out. | |
| That's an investigation. | ||
| We actually... Well, we won't get into that yet. | ||
| No, we shouldn't. | ||
| We'll just say that. | ||
| We'll watch that one, yeah. | ||
| Once you see organ harvesting happening through a Zoom call, maybe that will make the story distilled to you a little bit quicker. | ||
| So, but you're saying hard confirmation on this stuff? | ||
| No, no, I'm saying it's possible to get. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We don't know the laws yet. | ||
| We're working on it. | ||
| Ah, I see. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Wing Knight says, keep on talking the truth. | ||
| Stay safe. | ||
| We'll do. | ||
| Dima says, the reason avocado toast socialists treat the working class poorly is they don't even know we exist. | ||
| It is time for us to express our immense displeasure for our treatment the past five years and the past five decades by striking, energy, trucking, logging, and more. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Let's see, we have another one? | ||
| Nope, there we go. | ||
| Okay, J. McGurr says, I was talking to someone today and they brought up the 2016 recounts and while I was looking it up, Wiki said that 59% of precincts in Detroit were ineligible for recount because the amount of ballots in the box did not match the number printed from the machines. | ||
| I haven't looked it up myself, but I did see a headline. | ||
| It's not enough, but I don't know if you guys saw this. | ||
| There was like, right now in several counties in like Florida and I think in Wisconsin, voter turnout rates exceeded 100%. | ||
| Which... How? | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| They say it's because people changed their address. | ||
| That's their official explanation. | ||
| And where was it answered? | ||
| There's a bunch. | ||
| Florida. | ||
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Florida precinct. | |
| 538. | ||
| Oh, the precinct. | ||
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I see. | |
| And then in several counties in Wisconsin. | ||
| Greater than 100%. | ||
| It needs to be investigated. | ||
| Yeah, I would say so. | ||
| That's my stance. | ||
| I'm like... But it will and we'll figure it out. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| I'm not convinced it will be investigated. | ||
| Well, we'll investigate it. | ||
| How about that? | ||
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I'm from Florida. | |
| Yeah, do it! | ||
| That would be so much fun, you guys. | ||
| I got some people in the Florida election. | ||
| Do it, please. | ||
| Yeah, let's do it. | ||
| Take a look. | ||
| Go scanner. | ||
| Yeah, go scanner. | ||
| We gotta get to a little bit more bandwidth there, but it's gonna... Look, math adds up, usually. | ||
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Yeah, usually. | |
| Usually. | ||
| Like all the documents we have, it adds up to almost the perfect amount of the 1MDB account. | ||
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I don't know how that is. | |
| Oh, cool. | ||
| Very neat. | ||
|
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Well, certain pieces of it, yes. | |
| So yeah, we have a bunch of super chats, like a ridiculous amount, where people are like, they're retracting states. | ||
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I didn't see that. | |
| Are they paying attention to what we're actually saying? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They're kind of noticing. | ||
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Yes, yes. | |
| There's a ridiculous amount of super chats. | ||
| I'm just botting it. | ||
| It's trying to propagate some crap. | ||
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That's true. | |
| That's all there is to it. | ||
| I mean, we get stuff like this usually where people will be like, yo, this thing just happened. | ||
| And then I'll look and I'll be like, that's not true. | ||
| So I actually looked up 538 retracting. | ||
| I looked up like recent tweets. | ||
| There's nothing recent. | ||
| It's just like four days ago. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I don't, it's kind of weird. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Some people are complaining that I was a tomato. | ||
| Oh, yep. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Tim, orange man, good. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Tomato. | ||
| I see that. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| It was the camera was red. | ||
| I fixed it. | ||
| I fixed it with the paper. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Lydia T says, do you think that a Biden administration will try to subsidize the dissemination of critical race theory in order to re-educate Americans? | ||
| Hello, Lydia. | ||
| I'll put it this way. | ||
| Re-educate Americans is a loaded statement, but I would say that one of Joe Biden's executive orders is to reinstate critical race theory. | ||
| You guys know about what they were doing, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like Sandia Labs. | ||
| I don't know enough about it to comment other than it doesn't matter because the bots are going to control what your brain thinks anyway. | ||
| We're all screwed anyway? | ||
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Cool. | |
| I like that. | ||
| I mean, that's, yes, but at the Sandia, I think, was it Sandia where they're putting the white people on retreats? | ||
| Yeah, so that's like a nuclear power- not nuclear power, it's like they're developing weapons and they're sending the white people to retreats to force them to recant their whiteness. | ||
| How dare they? | ||
| Oh well, it's happened to a lot of other people. | ||
| Time for our turn, I guess. | ||
| That didn't end well either. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I'm joking, I'm joking. | ||
| It's not good for anybody. | ||
| And in fact, but again, what I would recalibrate to is potentially over 45 to 55,000 agents of foreign influence from one country in this country. | ||
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50,000! | |
| That's what we're hearing. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| Compromised. | ||
| You've noticed, you've said it, all of these people getting picked up, right? | ||
| There's a guy that was picked up, okay? | ||
| There's a guy that was picked up in Arkansas last year? | ||
| A bunch of people picked up in Arkansas, but particularly a guy that was picked up with a Walmart scam where he was riding across the country, this is what it said in the articles, right? | ||
| Using gift cards from Walmart from some scam, I don't know how the scam worked, and it was some podunk town, sorry, in Arkansas. | ||
| I love Arkansas, by the way. | ||
| And, um, near the lakes. | ||
| So he wasn't a student and he was, like, the Secret Service was involved in the arrest. | ||
| This is in the local papers. | ||
| This is from all the things. | ||
| It went under the radar. | ||
| There was no specific, like, damage to the town that was read in the charging report for the local courts. | ||
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They said they couldn't find any victims. | |
| Victims. | ||
| And Walmart and Global Investigations is handling it, which is, that's weird. | ||
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Oh, that's a whole other story. | |
| So corporate intelligence is a real thing. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And part of this story will revolve around me unraveling certain agents of influence and corporate intelligence that have tried to enwrap me in some things over the years that I track them. | ||
| And I got them. | ||
| And I've waited, and I'm gonna unspool them like, you know, I'm gonna- Don't overpromise. | ||
| I think I have all the blowtorches and potifiers I need, you know? | ||
| I want to hear about- I want to see this list. | ||
| I want to see- I'm sure you do. | ||
| I want some verification. | ||
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A lot of people want to see it. | |
| It's not even about what I want. | ||
| I have not verified it. | ||
| It is the list that we are very certain, but not 100%, but good and close. | ||
| Because we're transparent, that we believe Guo Wengui is using to manipulate various foreign affairs. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Well, well. | |
| St. | ||
| Miles says, hey, Emily Mollie, cool to see you're on. | ||
| Very cool, yeah. | ||
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You too, bud, even though I can't see you. | |
| Love you, random citizen. | ||
| You guys are gonna love this one. | ||
| My IQ is lower than my chromosome count says. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| So what you're saying is that you found the source of all those last minute Biden votes? | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| Yep, I think that was it. | ||
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55 votes. | |
| You specifically were like, let's not make it political. | ||
| Thanks guys. | ||
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Let's take it from the top. | |
| Check this out. | ||
| The Insomnia Addict says, The Insomnia Addict says, Red Hat hackers have been used by the FBI for years. | ||
| Flip and use to take down criminals. | ||
| True. | ||
| Why wouldn't these be turned into nation actors? | ||
| It's true, but it's different when you have an internet. | ||
| The distinction I would make is that if you work for tailored operation, you know Sabu is, right? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I remember Sabu came into the vice office once and I was like, get that guy. | ||
| Get him out. | ||
| But people don't know who he is. | ||
| He basically ratted on his crew. | ||
| And he became an informant. | ||
| And he got Barrett Brown busted and all these people. | ||
| No, Barrett Brown wasn't through Sabo. | ||
| I don't want to get into that. | ||
| But my point is, Joe Fionda, Barrett Brown, all these people did reach out to me when I started working in Scanner and told me a lot of weird stuff. | ||
| I don't really get involved in that stuff. | ||
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Me? | |
| No way, dude! | ||
| I'll give you their phone numbers. | ||
| kind of like were very disturbed by that. | ||
| But by like I did, I thought you would be like friendly with anonymous and all | ||
| these people, but it seemed like you didn't want me to talk to them. | ||
| No way, dude. | ||
| I'll give you their phone numbers. | ||
| I have them. | ||
| I think you're confused, man. | ||
| I'm then I'm wrong. | ||
| I'm wrong. | ||
| I'm wrong. | ||
| No, I think a lot of those people are compromised for sure. | ||
| Take a look at the videos of them hanging out with Weave and now see what they say. | ||
| I was never friends with that guy. | ||
| Do you know where Weave is? | ||
| Yeah, he's Ukraine pig farming, isn't he? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's in Ukraine. | ||
| So for those unfamiliar, Weave was one of the most notorious trolls and hackers in the U.S. | ||
| He was... | ||
| I think it's fair to say wrongly prosecuted over this AT&T hack thing, but he was notoriously a white nationalist. | ||
| Quite the troublemaker. | ||
| I don't know of the exact ideology, but I think that's it. | ||
| It might be worse, I have no idea. | ||
| But you had all of these hackers and anonymous who were good friends with him, partying with him, taking photos with him. | ||
| And then as soon as the culture war ignited and it expanded, these people all came out and said, I was accidentally being tricked by the Russians. | ||
| It's a little different than that. | ||
| I mean, Joe Fianna was, like, videotaping his trip from prison and was, like, bummed out that he wanted to listen to white national music in the car rack. | ||
| You know, it was like, what is going on? | ||
| So it was like, Barrett is one thing and... I was at Weeves' I'm Sorry You're Going to Prison Party with these people. | ||
| I heard that. | ||
| And they were such good friends with him. | ||
| Laughing and taking hugs. | ||
| Glenn Greenwald and all sorts of people. | ||
| Glenn wasn't there. | ||
| But he's taking pictures with them. | ||
| I don't know if we should have a party. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But, you know, you gotta be careful with some of these photos because, like, if a dude walks in... No, you're right. | ||
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You're right. | |
| This is why I don't take photos with anybody. | ||
| Because I don't... | ||
| You take a lot of photos, though. | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
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Well, not anymore. | |
| Not anymore, right? | ||
| Yeah, I don't take pictures of anybody. | ||
| Because people do this on purpose, where they'll come up to you and try and get a picture with you so they can try and, you know... Yeah, there's some... That's why I pick my nose in every picture. | ||
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Widely circulated ones, which is why I get why you don't do it anymore. | |
| Yeah, I completely understand that one. | ||
| Yeah, so after... I think it was in... Let me try and think. | ||
| Was it Berkeley or Portland? | ||
| I got messaged by the alt-right guys that had organized the rally. | ||
| And they asked me, like, hey, we're all meeting. | ||
| Would you want to come? | ||
| And I said, I'll come. | ||
| I'll talk to you guys. | ||
| Ordered my own food. | ||
| Drank nothing. | ||
| Had a glass of water. | ||
| They took a picture. | ||
| And now the left uses that to try and claim I was hanging out with them. | ||
| Him sitting there looking like he hates his life. | ||
| Just like the photos I have of, you know, with a Soviet general in Ukraine or with a Brazilian gang member. | ||
| It's like, I took pictures with some people or I, I'm even, I was just sitting there and they took a picture and then they use that. | ||
| So now I'm just like, I'm not playing that game, dude. | ||
| These people want to, want to, you know, create narratives and craft narratives. | ||
| So I don't, I don't even, I'm not even interested in going on anyone's shows or anything like that either. | ||
| I'm just totally over it. | ||
| I'm going to mind my own business. | ||
| Anyway, you've got it. | ||
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Makes sense. | |
| Let's see. | ||
| A lot of people are very interested in the political ramifications of it, but considering, I don't think we have any, you know. | ||
| Well, they can watch the second part of our video. | ||
| We're going to be doing, you know. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to be great. | ||
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People should get over the political aspect. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Stop thinking like that. | ||
| Seriously, for real. | ||
| Think about your country and other countries and what that means. | ||
| So instead of like your state and this other state, it's like there's other countries out there. | ||
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America. | |
| Think of it as an American rather than somebody on the right or It could be something that unifies us, at least. | ||
| It should be. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I think the ideological issue is not... That's a distraction, though. | ||
| I agree. | ||
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It's such a huge distraction, and it's done purposefully. | |
| I disagree. | ||
| It's not going to go away, but can we agree that foreign influence on elections is bad? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Then at least we can agree there, and we can start looking at things there. | ||
| The problem is when you see like California just failed Prop 16. | ||
| California has voted against it. | ||
| This is very, very good news. | ||
| I'm very happy to hear this. | ||
| But they were trying to repeal their civil rights law. | ||
| Yes, and a lot of people have changed hands, at least the local Los Angeles administrations. | ||
| That's scary. | ||
| That's scary. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The stuff they were doing that we learned from Christopher Rufo out of like, say, Sandia Labs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like taking all the white people to a retreat where they have to go through these trainings where they repeat over and over again. | ||
| These are struggle sessions. | ||
| Like, this is creepy. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I've been called a Mexican all my life and I'm not in any way, shape, or form. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| People call me Roscoe, Rick. | ||
| I've never taken offense. | ||
| Joe Biden's progressive coalition pact or whatever has in it a social equity credit scoring system. | ||
| Well, just like the Chinese. | ||
| Yeah, so what am I talking about? | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| This data set is that. | ||
| And you have at least, I believe, that you know people that might participate in this data brokerage. | ||
| Well, I mean, I know a lot of people, but... Yeah, he does. | ||
| But what I'm saying is... | ||
| When I hear that Joe Biden has a plan, and I looked at this, I didn't believe it when I heard it, that they want to create a public agency that uses social equity scoring systems to determine whether you can get a loan or not. | ||
| Yeah, non-essential and essential. | ||
| Those are terms that are going to be here to stay. | ||
| That is horrifying. | ||
| No, it's not, because most people should be on the dole because a robot's going to do their job better than they are. | ||
| That's the fact of life. | ||
| When they say you can't get a car loan because you're white, that's freaky. | ||
| That's different. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| No, they're not going to be scoring you. | ||
| You know more about this. | ||
| It literally says this in the pact. | ||
| It's based off the Chinese. | ||
| The American one says racial equity. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Your score and eligibility. | ||
| I don't think that's going to go over well with everybody. | ||
| I don't think it's going to be legal because it's a violation. | ||
| But here's the problem. | ||
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Hope not. | |
| When Donald Trump banned the critical race theory trainings in the federal government, All of them that he banned, specifically, violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. | ||
| Joe Biden says he's going to rescind that, which means now it's going to be up to the individuals who are being put through these trainings to file federal lawsuits under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. | ||
| He also said he was going to, you know, support fracking in Pennsylvania. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| Joe Biden? | ||
| He said both. | ||
| He's going to get rid of it and support it. | ||
| He said both yes and no. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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Interesting. | |
| Yeah, the reasoning was sound. | ||
| And we'll see if he wins or loses what he says. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Chris, Chris Dumas says, yo, Tim, do you think it would, it should be | ||
| considered a bad faith election if they actually amendment 25 Biden? | ||
| Well, my personal opinion is, uh, well, you heard what Pelosi said about it, right? | ||
| It's not for Trump, it's for a future president, that they're creating a panel to remove the president. | ||
| Can you do that to Nancy Pelosi? | ||
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Because I think she probably needs it done too, to be honest. | |
| I mean, because they've lost, I think there should be age limits. | ||
| I honestly think Trump, Pelosi, and Biden are too old. | ||
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Done, 70. | |
| 100%, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you have to play pick-up sticks with your buttcheeks. | ||
| But didn't you see Trump passed his test? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Remember? | ||
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Yeah, but it was like, he was like, shark, panda, bear, cheese, whiz. | |
| And that was it, you passed. | ||
| It was pretty much it. | ||
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Do you actually think he's in good, like, physical shape too? | |
| Trump? | ||
| I'll tell you this, man. | ||
| He's spry. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| Look at that energy. | ||
| I can't walk uphill, bro. | ||
| Trump? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's not even about that. | ||
| It's like, I agree with you on the age limit. | ||
| Regardless of Trump or Biden. | ||
| Like, Pelosi's 80. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| At a certain point, you know what's crazy? | ||
| We assume, and I'm not trying to be mean. | ||
| They also don't understand the internet. | ||
| So all these things we're talking about, they don't have any clue. | ||
| So who's in control? | ||
| Who's in charge here? | ||
| I'll tell you this right now. | ||
| I said it in 2018. | ||
| Republicans are too stupid to deal with the issue of internet censorship to actually win, to actually save their own party. | ||
| Yes, but you've got people like Charlie Ergen, who's friends with Brittany and all these people, and Chase Ergen, that they are wanting to move in on net neutrality. | ||
| They have, and then now it's an issue now. | ||
| And that's actually when we get to the core of this, and people don't understand what net neutrality is, I encourage you to Google it because I'm not going to explain it all here. | ||
| Nobody could explain it. | ||
| It's basically creating multiple internets and prioritizing. | ||
| If you're watching Netflix because they pay more as a premium for this conduit of information, the internet is a series of tubes. | ||
| Which is kind of true now. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| I think I already read that one about avocado toast socialists. | ||
| That was funny. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Uh, Garrick Sturgill says, holy S, these guys are legit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| Some people are saying these people are hacks. | ||
| Quit. | ||
| There's, there's a good amount of like- Give us a call. | ||
| Would you like to, we'd like to have you on the program, our program. | ||
| I mean, you'd like to tell us why you're hacks. | ||
| Like, we'll take you up on that offer and then maybe we'll come after you. | ||
| Oh, that'd be great. | ||
| Sounds exciting. | ||
| We're an equal opportunist thing. | ||
| There's a good mix of people saying, you guys suck and you guys rock. | ||
| Why do we suck? | ||
| That's the way it's supposed to be. | ||
| That's actually true journalism, pisses everyone off. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| People don't like to be held accountable. | ||
| That is very true. | ||
| That's exactly what's going to happen. | ||
| Someone says, why is he so rude and smug to Tim? | ||
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Rocco! | |
| Rocco, how dare you be smug? | ||
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Because it works! | |
| Why did you hire Rocco? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
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Why did you bring him in? | |
| Because he's smug and ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Well, I hit up Rocco because Rocco... He's good at his job, man. | ||
| Yeah, he's good at his job. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because when he was at Vice, he had a bunch of stories and was constantly complaining about the establishment powers that were trying to stop people from telling the news. | ||
| Is there another? | ||
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No, I just genuinely wanted to know. | |
| A lot of people don't like, a lot of your fans don't like necessarily what we're doing. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so I think it is important for you to tell why you brought him in. | ||
| Oh, I mean, that's one of it. | ||
| The other thing is, I think that, here's the way I put it. | ||
| I'm one guy. | ||
| I have opinions. | ||
| This is true. | ||
| I read the news all day. | ||
| And I make videos based on my opinions and what I think are like, wow, that's the most shocking thing to me today. | ||
| And here's what I think about it. | ||
| But I also recognize that the internet has become... news is dead. | ||
| The New York Times is being taken over by activists. | ||
| And so I'm like, alright, well, Rocco, Emily, can you guys go do news? | ||
| Because I don't think I'm doing... like, I'm not doing on-the-ground reporting, digging into documents and anything like that. | ||
| You guys can go do it. | ||
| I'm some dude who complains on the internet about his feelings. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| I had a period where I was doing on the ground documentary and field reporting. | ||
| It started to get too dangerous because they started to call me out for reporting on what they were doing. | ||
| I don't know if you guys know, is this stuff about Elijah Public? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| He tweeted about it. | ||
| He tweeted about, uh, like, death threats against him, right? | ||
| Yeah, so, uh, Elijah Schaefer, who goes on the ground and he reports on... Is the guy who dresses up like subcommandante Marcos? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| He wears black. | ||
| No. | ||
| He blends in with Antifa. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He got, uh, he got contacted by the FBI because there was a credible death threat against him. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Well, you know, I will say, like, that's not cool for somebody to get death threats, but he hasn't been completely, like, genuine in all of his posts and reporting. | |
| Like, you think that he's posting fake news? | ||
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I would say framing is important. | |
| He is biased, we know that. | ||
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Yeah, is he biased? | |
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I think everybody's biased. | ||
| Who does he work for? | ||
| Nobody, but he hosts a podcast that appears on Blaze. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you think it receives funds from foreign actors? | ||
| No, but I think a lot of people who don't realize it. | ||
| So one thing I think people need to realize too, you know how easy it is for a foreign actor to fund and prop up a YouTuber? | ||
| The easiest possible thing in the world. | ||
| It's super easy. | ||
| That's why Glow has his own series of channels. | ||
| You can direct ad revenue to one specific channel. | ||
| And you can buy any ad you want, which means you can have somebody in China take a Coca-Cola commercial video and then pay to run it on Scanner or Timcast. | ||
| And you'd never know. | ||
| And I would never know, and you would never know, and you'd be like, wow, ad rates are coming in great. | ||
| And what they do is, this is something news organizations do. | ||
| People think that news organizations are compromised in that they hire on these criminals and they say, I want you to write about how this politician is good or bad, and they go, ha ha, I'll do it. | ||
| What really happens is they find people who are blogging or tweeting about how they don't like certain things and say, hire that person because they're going to write good stuff that we're going to use and we're going to make money off of. | ||
| So what happens with social media, particularly YouTube where it's really easy, you can have a foreign agent or even the government or some corporation or whatever say, this guy talks about things that we really like. | ||
| Dump ad money into his channel through Google AdSense and they'll never know we were the ones funding them and you can't prove it. | ||
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So do you think that's something like YouTube should be looking into? | |
| Or somebody should audit YouTube for that kind of information? | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| You think YouTube's in on it? | ||
| I don't think YouTube's in on it. | ||
| I think YouTube doesn't care. | ||
| And as long as journalists don't call them out for it, they're not going to say anything. | ||
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That's going to cause another adpocalypse. | |
| Are you ready for that? | ||
| That's the big problem. | ||
| But I think, I've said it a million times, if they announced that they were going to ban Twitter, I would lose my account. | ||
| I'd be like, dude, Twitter's terrible. | ||
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Get rid of it. | |
| Just get rid of it. | ||
| I'm half kidding. | ||
| No, it's bad for us. | ||
| But if I found out that someone was secretly funneling money through AdSense to my channel, I'd be like, cut it all off. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'll go sleep in a ditch. | ||
| I might have some news for you. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, we've looked at, like, we kind of addressed this with you the last board meeting we had about certain sites like syphilisdating.com. | ||
| Well, it does because it lists your brother and you as the owner. | ||
| And there's a series of 55 URLs like antifahub.org. | ||
| A lot of them are packed with malware. | ||
| A lot of them are packed with, they have security reports. | ||
| But what does that have to do with me or YouTube? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm saying, I don't know, but you should look into it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Look, man, people can slap my name on whatever they want. | ||
| But there's also TimCast.net, TimCast.co, and I've taken a look at those servers, and they put back to .cn sites, and that becomes a little troubling. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| There's actually a government section of the Alibaba servers. | ||
| That's Wix, brother. | ||
| That is Wix. | ||
| That's just me using Wix. | ||
| Yeah, they have some interesting JavaScript codes, but you should be careful with your data. | ||
| My website's just wix.com. | ||
| And then .co is a URL redirect. | ||
| You've got some unique malware on there you should look at. | ||
| We'll shut it down. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Anyway, let's read a couple more Super Chats. | ||
| What a derail. | ||
| Sorry, guys. | ||
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So yeah, don't go to those sites, by the way. | |
| Don't go to them. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| Not unless you want, like, a super virus. | ||
| Not syphilis dating. | ||
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No, don't go to this. | |
| I can't imagine going to that. | ||
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Unless you want some malware or something. | |
| Andrew S. says, confused about all the China, Malaysia, UAE, and 1MDB talk? | ||
| You should read the book, Billion Dollar Whale, about Joe Lowe and dig into the Goldman Sachs. | ||
| Yeah, Goldman Sachs has a piece of this, too. | ||
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Fascinating. | |
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Goldman Sachs was recently in the news because... They paid out settlement. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I don't know who this is directed at, but I'll read it anyway. | ||
| Andrew Starr says, you sat here and S on Cassandra, Glenn Greenwald, and anyone who disagrees with your worldview for the last hour, but now you want to talk unity. | ||
| Is that, is that for Rocco? | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, it's for me. | ||
| No, I called them disingenuous actors that work with foreign agents and you're un-American. | ||
|
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Glenn? | |
| Oh, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Glenn and Cassandra? | ||
| Not all of them. | ||
| Not all of them, but the people that he's referring to. | ||
| Well, yeah, I would say Glenn is a disingenuous actor that works with foreign agents. | ||
| He strikes you as being disingenuous. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I don't think he always was, but I do now. | ||
| I'd invite him to prove me wrong, and maybe I could prove something. | ||
| I actually feel the other way around. | ||
| I used to not like him. | ||
| Now I think he's done better. | ||
| I don't really have an opinion of him. | ||
| He was handed documents by somebody and reported them out, which pretty much anyone could do. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| From a professional standpoint. | ||
| And I was not a fan of him back in the day for a lot of reasons. | ||
| Instead of publishing the documents, he slow-trickled them out, and then they disappeared. | ||
| I also just don't have, like, you know, I don't have much of an opinion. | ||
| I don't really read people I don't like. | ||
| It doesn't enter my worldview. | ||
| You know, like this guy, I just block him. | ||
| I'm like, who cares? | ||
| Like, or I'd say, give me your real name. | ||
| Let's have a discussion about it. | ||
| Let's have a debate point by point. | ||
| Sit down and talk about it. | ||
| And if I'm wrong, I have to shave or stripe down my head. | ||
| If you're wrong, you know, you have to lick my boot. | ||
| The Insomniatic says, are you going to cover the hacktivist change that happened to Anon back in like 07? | ||
| Scientology push. | ||
| I feel the low orbit ion cannon and whatnot was the weaponization of the culture war. | ||
| It was. | ||
| And a lot would happen after Tunisia with Twitter and all this stuff actually plays into that. | ||
| It's very important. | ||
| It's actually really simple. | ||
| Different groups of people had different interests, and it's like, you ever play the game Life Genesis? | ||
| Where you have like little blue dots and little red dots? | ||
| And if you mix them together, then the red dots get eaten up by the blue dots? | ||
| The Scientology thing wasn't supposed to be this legitimate anti-Scientology action, but It was a troll against Scientology, but it attracted people who actually were activists. | ||
| Then you get actual activists who are involved now, but the regular trolls were like, we don't actually care about this. | ||
| No. | ||
| And thus created this activist movement, and then WikiLeaks and, you know. | ||
| It's still like Star Wars, though. | ||
| I was actually hired to adapt We Are Anonymous into a screenplay, which is a book by Parmi Olson. | ||
| I don't know if it'll come out, but it was fascinating to do that, part of how I met some of these people. | ||
| I do think a lot of them got the raw shake on where they're internet activists and I think that's a real thing that people should probably respect a little bit more than they do because the internet is supposed to be the great equalizer of free speech and net neutrality will, you know, the undercutting of that will really hurt the internet. | ||
| I think the big problem is that Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, the big tech companies have already undercut it. | ||
| Of course they have. | ||
| And now we just have to blow up their spot, you know. | ||
| Figuratively! | ||
| Figuratively! | ||
| All of it happens on the internet, man. | ||
| We don't blow anything up around here. | ||
| Unless it's a malware server. | ||
| I know, exactly. | ||
| They banned Alex Jones for making, they banned Bannon for, you know, I'm not going to repeat it. | ||
| Oh yeah, I know what they banned him for. | ||
| I mean, I'd like to be able to say that about certain people, but sure. | ||
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Keep it inside. | |
| You've got to be careful about what you say. | ||
| I tell him all the time, my ultimate dream is to bait someone into doing something violent against me, but I'll have a home alone setup, and I'll have a live stream, like a Rube Goldberg machine where it slaps you with fish, and I'll stream it, and then I'll torture them until they tell me who they work for. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What a fantasy. | ||
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Then they just disappear. | |
| Then we'll put it up on Scanner. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| What is wrong with you? | ||
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Just kidding. | |
| Don Reif says, these guys are like a left-wing Alex Jones who won't even tell you the story they have. | ||
| Oh, you can watch it though. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| It's part two's up now. | ||
| Click on it. | ||
| Scanner. | ||
| Love it. | ||
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All right. | |
| Let's see. | ||
| Super cool. | ||
| Godzilla says, Red Hat is a type of hacker. | ||
| Nothing involving China. | ||
| It is true. | ||
| It's a nation state hacker. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| Or it's like a privateer hacker, like a Corsair. | ||
| It has morphed into that. | ||
| I'm talking about in the traditional sense. | ||
| Read about a guy called the Eagle from China and the Eagle Honker Union to get a real sense of where Red Hat came from. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Netlix says, Tim will regret letting these pompous, arrogant people spew nonsense for so long. | ||
| They are only here for your audience. | ||
| Tim, P.S. | ||
| Adderall is a hell of a drug. | ||
| I got to tell you, like, I'm going to have we're going to have people on that people don't like. | ||
| Sorry, guys. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Nutscrape? | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| How about put your real name on there and come see me, and I'll tell you a couple things. | ||
| No, no, you're going to get banned. | ||
| For what? | ||
| I'm going to talk to him like an individual. | ||
| I want to have a conversation. | ||
| I want to embarrass him publicly. | ||
| Okay, that sounds fair. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
| You can embarrass me publicly if you're right. | ||
| Cody Blackwell says, Hey Tim, have you heard of the channel Legal Eagle? | ||
| He does similar videos but specializes in the legal stuff. | ||
| At a glance, he seems like a decent person, but definitely anti-Trump, so it feels biased. | ||
| I don't mind. | ||
| I'm anti-power. | ||
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How about that? | |
| Is that cool to say? | ||
| I'm anti-establishment. | ||
| No, I'm anti-power. | ||
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I personally would say I'm anti-abusive power because I think there needs to be... Power has to exist. | |
| Well, sure. | ||
| I want to speak truth to power. | ||
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Sure. | |
| There you go. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| People need to realize about Rocco. | ||
| Actually, I'll say this. | ||
| Emily is very professional and good at what she does. | ||
| And so I was like, so at first I was like, I'm not doing a dig on Rocco. | ||
| So I was like, okay, so Emily's going to do her thing and I'm confident she can take care of it. | ||
| But Rocco is the kind of guy who I feel like if someone tries giving you the business, it doesn't matter what their politics are. | ||
| It doesn't matter how much money they have. | ||
| You're going to give them the finger and like flick a cigarette butt in their face. | ||
| No, I'm going to publicly embarrass them. | ||
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I'm saying figuratively. | |
| I'm tired of mincing around words and being nice. | ||
| So if you step up, like I don't open my mouth unless I know something. | ||
| If you're going to open your mouth, and if I'm wrong, I will be the first to admit and I will apologize because I'm an adult. | ||
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He does that. | |
| Yeah, he does do that. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| But I don't publicly say things I need to apologize for unless I make an error, which happens, hasn't happened yet. | ||
| You know, I think the most important thing, though, is, like, the stuff you guys are reporting on does overlap with politics, but there's other stuff. | ||
| You mentioned the water stuff. | ||
| Like, too much news is just talking about politics, culture, war. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of boring. | ||
| And so, right, that's why I think it's important. | ||
| Uncover these compromised people. | ||
| It overlaps with politics for sure, but do the water story as well and other stories. | ||
| And I think, so this is what I wanted to do for a long time. | ||
| I wanted to, like, hire five journalists and be like, journalism. | ||
| Journalism away. | ||
| Go do it! | ||
| Just write whatever, like, and obviously there would need to be some kind of, like, editorial oversight or something, you know, and, but I would also, I also wanted to hire some fact checkers. | ||
| Problem is COVID just stopped everything. | ||
| It did. | ||
| Dead in its tracks. | ||
| I couldn't, I couldn't get the building. | ||
| Can't move people. | ||
| Can't go out and do stuff. | ||
| So it's like. | ||
| Well, we rented an RV and actually shot an entire series that we'll be pitching to Netflix, Hulu, et cetera. | ||
| We waited till after the election. | ||
| Cause it is about the pandemic, but it's not from a perspective. | ||
| It's not hosted. | ||
| It's all verite. | ||
| It's about. | ||
| First of all, the economic crisis that is inevitable that we have to figure out, right? | ||
| That's real no matter what else happened. | ||
| Definitely from a doctor's perspective, the pandemic's been real and we can get into all | ||
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that. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| The third is civil unrest and how it played into this election. | ||
| And the fourth would, I'm forgetting something now. | ||
| It's all going to get worse and you're going to have to keep going. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's more about. | ||
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Well, I think it was three interlocking crises, right? | |
| I don't remember. | ||
| But there's like another element to it that I'm blanking on. | ||
| Yeah, sorry. | ||
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Oh, oh, oh, environmental. | |
| Environmental, and the reason we say that is- Oh yeah, healing the world. | ||
| Not even that, it's more like that we went to New Orleans in April to do an episode about Louisiana where you literally have chemical factories on old slave plantation land. | ||
| And you have the offbring of slaves, all the white people have moved out, and you have the worst chemicals being pumped in North America right next to them. | ||
| They have the highest, it's why it's called Cancer Alley, and it has been called that for 30 years. | ||
| And now COVID comes along, and they have the highest per capita instance of COVID in the world, which I've never seen such a direct display of what people might call environmental injustice. | ||
| But that backs into personal liberties too, because the activists, the white activists who are trying to support these people, are being surveilled by the Department of Homeland Security. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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And they got just brought up on charges of Yeah, and they all went out and protested too. | |
| And this is before George Floyd happened. | ||
| We actually got this in the time capsule that's very interesting. | ||
| You know what's going to be interesting is a lot of people from Occupy Wall Street are like hardcore Trump supporters now. | ||
| MAGA hat, full on Trump. | ||
| I wonder what these people are going to do now with a Biden presidency. | ||
| I don't know that their whole identity has been built around this and that's a problem. | ||
| Like, people should be nuanced. | ||
| They should have nuances. | ||
| No, I'm not talking about, like, there are diehard Trumpers that are gonna be diehard Trumpers. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But there are Occupy Wall Street people who supported Trump because Trump was anti-trans-pacific partnership and NAFTA. | ||
| And these are older people too, like, these are people who protested WTO and stuff. | ||
| So I wonder if there's gonna be, like, a move back and they're gonna be more along with, like, the leftist marching now and stuff. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, look what happened with Assange in terms of how people, you know, polarize around something. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| Hero of the left. | ||
| And now he's Russian, right-wing, whatever. | ||
| Anyway, so thanks for hanging out, guys. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| YouTube.com. | ||
| What's the URL now? | ||
| SCNR? | ||
| It's SCNR.com. | ||
| SCNR.com. | ||
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Yeah, just go to SCNR.com. | |
| Four-letter URL. | ||
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Love it. | |
| Hard to come by. | ||
| Yeah, hard to come by. | ||
| So do you want to shout that out? | ||
| Do you want to mention it on social media or anything? | ||
| Scannerbot on Twitter. | ||
| S-C-N-R-B-O-T. | ||
| Scannerbot. | ||
| It's not a bot. | ||
| It's not actually a bot. | ||
| We might start experimenting with some projects that are more AI driven and to show you... We like to break stuff. | ||
| We want to feed stuff into botnets and show you how we could put a thought in your head and then reveal that it was fake. | ||
| I like the people that are saying Rocco didn't kill himself. | ||
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He did not. | |
| Look at him. | ||
| I think one thing I try to do and have had conversations about is trying to break echo | ||
| chambers, knowing that there's a culture war internet landscape of which I am very much | ||
| active in, but I want to make sure I can create like an exit door. | ||
| So I think if people follow you guys, they're not going to get They're not going to get echo chamber. | ||
| They're not going to get confirmation. | ||
| You may not like what you hear or what we report on, but that's probably because it pulls the rug out from under you. | ||
| And really at the end of the day, that's in your service. | ||
| We're looking to in the service of the public's interest. | ||
| And that's the definition of journalism. | ||
| And if you sway from that, you get into other things. | ||
| We're not interested in those things. | ||
| And look, I think you guys will get some things wrong. | ||
| I think you'll get some things right. | ||
| I think everyone does and everyone will. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that's why it's important. | ||
| We will be transparent about that though. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Having a path to be like... I'll put it this way. | ||
| If anybody watching takes issue with anything you guys say or do, I think they can just email and be like, check out the facts. | ||
| Here's the data. | ||
| We'll have you on. | ||
| If you really want to be nasty, we'll have you on and we'll be nasty too. | ||
| Or we'll be nice. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You try to be nice. | ||
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But if you do take the destructive path, you know, there's more of that. | |
| It's more like the golden rule. | ||
| Treat others like you want to be treated. | ||
| It's just never been applied to journalism, you know? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What a tremendous, interesting experiment that would be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm joking. | ||
| I also like to have fun, by the way. | ||
| A lot of this is like, I'm a trolling, trolling, trolling. | ||
| Boxy. | ||
| I'm not, not really. | ||
| I'm more just like trying to let people look, make people look in the mirror about themselves. | ||
| I think we've seen some people say you guys are legit, some people say that you're biased. | ||
| Doesn't bother us. | ||
| No, but I think that's a good thing. | ||
| Like I say, follow people that you don't agree with. | ||
| You can't only just watch my stuff, you gotta watch other people's too. | ||
| Disagreeing is one thing, but you can't disagree with facts. | ||
| Facts don't care about your feelings. | ||
| And a fact finder, just so people that believe in alternative facts, when you go to court, the judge is the fact finder. | ||
| And if they find the facts that put your ass in jail, That's real. | ||
| Yep, that's real. | ||
| I heard that one. | ||
| Do you want to mention your social media or anything? | ||
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I mean, not really. | |
| I don't really use Twitter much or anything like that. | ||
| No, but watch our new video. | ||
| SCNR.com. | ||
| Yeah, and check out I'm Rocco, Undershortcast Star. | ||
| There's a bunch of evidence that we've been talking about. | ||
| I use Twitter as an evidence shed to like, if I do get, if I don't kill myself, you know. | ||
| You're not going to? | ||
| That's a joke? | ||
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If something happens to Rocco, it'll already be too late to stop the story. | |
| Well, John McAfee's my kill switch. | ||
| Perfect kill switch. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| And of course, you can follow Lydia at Sour Patch Lids. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| I'm at Sour Patch Lids. | ||
| L-Y-D-S. | ||
| And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast. | ||
| And you can check out my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News. | ||
| I also talk really fast. | ||
| Faster, faster. | ||
| Hit the like button before you go. | ||
| And we are going to... I gotta tell you, friends, I can't tell you what's gonna... I am so excited. | ||
| We're gonna have a crazy week. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| We're gonna have a really great guest tomorrow. | ||
| We don't really announce the guests because, you know, they cancel on us. | ||
| They back out on us. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| How often does that happen? | ||
| It happened twice because of administrative issues for our guests. | ||
| So it was like really boring, nonsensical reasons like, you know, I missed my flight or like, you know. | ||
| Something came up. | ||
| Yeah, something came up. | ||
| And so I don't want to like get everyone hyped up, but I think tomorrow's gonna be really, really fun. | ||
| But this week is gonna be interesting. | ||
| It's lit. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out, everybody. | ||
| Again, check out scnr.com if you want to see the reporting on what sounds like a bunch of different stories and a very complicated one, but I'm particularly interested to hear about this list of compromised people. | ||
| All you gotta remember is Gwonos. | ||
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Gwonos, all right. | |
| Gwonos, interesting. | ||
| All right, everybody, thanks for hanging out, and we will see you all again tomorrow night at 8 p.m. | ||
| All right, bye guys. |
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