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Oct. 16, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL -The Establishment Is LOSING IT Over Biden Corruption Scandal
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a trickle of emails from Hunter Biden that implicate Joe Biden.
And all of a sudden, I saw for the first time this idea that news organizations had to be verified.
It was funny.
You know, so the New York Post puts out this story, and they're like, here's an email showing that this guy is saying, thanks for introducing me to your dad, Hunter Biden.
Thanks for the opportunity to meet and spend time together.
And then all of a sudden I hear from these leftists and these journalists, well, the story's not verified.
And I'm like, since when do we ever wait for a news organization to get third-party verification to determine whether or not we allow it to exist?
Then all of a sudden we saw the Washington Post come out saying Rudy Giuliani is part of, is a victim of a Russian smear campaign, disinformation campaign.
Then Facebook and Twitter banned the story outright.
Then they put warning links on a government website.
The entirety of the establishment is freaking out over these emails, and they're only getting worse.
And now Rudy Giuliani is saying 10 days before the election, he's gonna drop something even bigger.
Proof of Joe Biden's corruption.
We'll see how things play out, but I think it's fair to say the establishment in all its forms, from Wall Street donors to big tech to the mainstream media, they are in a panic over this.
And I will say, though, however, the New York Post is fairly mainstream media, to be honest, so it's just weird goings-on.
We can see where the Democrats have their allies and where they don't.
But we're going to talk all about this today.
We got, of course, Ian.
unidentified
Hi.
tim pool
We got people here.
Ian's hanging out.
We got Lydia's hanging out as well.
lydia smith
Hello.
tim pool
And then we got a rock star in the house.
lydia smith
We do.
tim pool
Phil Labonte from All That Remains.
unidentified
I'm so excited!
Hello.
tim pool
Yeah, so I guess my quick question before we get into all this stuff.
Are you a Trump supporter?
Are you a conservative?
phil labonte
I'm a libertarian with a small L, which most libertarians are pretty quick to be like, I'm not a big L party libertarian guy.
That I understand.
tim pool
That guy took his clothes off on stage that one time.
phil labonte
The party has a lot of problems.
Problems.
The party overall, the fact that they have some very far left libertarians in the party and they are making space for people that really don't acknowledge property rights, which I think is fundamental.
You know, that's a that's a big party problem.
But generally, I'm a libertarian.
I voted for Trump in 2016 because I did not Want to see Hillary Clinton win a little side.
At the time I was married and my ex-wife had security clearances and stuff like that.
And had my ex-wife done what Hillary Clinton had done, they'd have thrown her in jail with you know, there wouldn't have been any kind of They would have epoxied the bars.
There's no key.
tim pool
You're in there forever.
phil labonte
Go to jail.
Go directly to jail.
Do not pass go.
tim pool
Weld the bars shut.
phil labonte
Exactly.
Just like the Ching's were doing in the town that the... Wuhan?
Wuhan.
Yeah.
So yeah, they would have tossed her in jail.
So I couldn't vote for someone that had broken the law like that.
So this election, I'm going to be voting for Joe Jorgensen.
Really?
Yeah.
I'm not the guy that thinks that one vote is going to change anything, so my voting for Jorgensen is really a conscience vote, because if I had my way, we'd have a much smaller government.
tim pool
But that means you're voting for Trump.
That's what I love about Jorgensen.
phil labonte
Maybe it does.
Or if people say, oh, you're voting for Joe Jorgensen, you're voting for Trump, or you're voting for Joe Biden.
tim pool
So I think I tweeted this joke.
I was like, I know how to vote.
I know how to functionally vote twice by only voting once.
And to vote third party because then the Trump supporters are like, you're voting for Biden.
And the Biden supporters are like, you're voting for Trump.
Well, I guess I voted for both by voting for George Organson.
phil labonte
If it works out that way, that's fine with me.
But it's a personal vote for me because the libertarian ideas are really good in my opinion.
And you've seen that meme.
Oh, yeah.
philip labonte
The Fox.
phil labonte
This majestic looking fox and then this weird old decrepit.
And I think that's reflective of reality.
tim pool
Joe seems cool, but that tweet about anti-racism was kind of freaky.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think that most likely she was not aware of the context that surround those phrases.
philip labonte
She seems like a normie.
tim pool
I talked to her real quick.
It was kind of weird for me to see the Libertarian candidate telling people we must do anything.
I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
phil labonte
No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
Must do something?
I don't care if we must have, you know, Twinkies from the gas station.
I'd be like, we mustn't do anything.
Don't tell me what to do.
phil labonte
Totally agree.
tim pool
That was it for me.
I mean, granted, I think the anti-racism stuff is just like legit racism, just with a different name.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
It's clearly racist.
When Spencer retweeted Ibram Kendi the other day, You know?
Really?
You didn't know that?
philip labonte
Richard Spencer?
unidentified
He did?
phil labonte
So, Ibram Kendi... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
He's not wrong, right?
phil labonte
Amy Barrett, yeah.
When Amy Barrett... Kendi was criticizing Amy Barrett because she adopted Haitian kids.
Yeah.
And so then Spencer just goes, He's not wrong, da-da-da!
lydia smith
Wow, that's amazing!
tim pool
But you know what they like doing?
They like saying, well, he's just pretending so that he can hurt the Democrats.
It's like, what are you talking about?
The dude's been completely honest.
He's comfortable with being called a white nationalist.
I'm not convinced he's lying about what he's saying now.
phil labonte
Yeah, yeah.
And there are a lot of people that I know that I'm friends with that are of the same mind.
They're like, oh, I think he's lying.
He's only saying that to help Trump and blah, blah, blah.
But if Spencer is honest about his white nationalist goals, which I don't see any reason to think that he's not, he definitely didn't get out of Trump what he was hoping to get out of Trump.
Trump passed no legislation that benefited the whites, you know, so...
It makes sense that he would be.
Well, the guy that's going to support critical race theory and raise racial consciousness, hopefully among white people, is Joe Biden.
So I'm going to vote for Joe Biden.
And if you if you understand it like that, it makes sense.
The guy that's going to be saying it's OK to have critical race theory all over the place and hopefully have more white people being aware that they're white and blah, blah, blah.
You know, it's it's in my opinion, it's a terrible thing.
That's not how you base someone's value.
But It makes sense if you're a racist that's like, well, who's going to go ahead and make people think about race a lot?
tim pool
You know about repealing Prop 209 in California, right?
I do, I do.
We talk about it quite a bit because it's probably one of the most shocking bits of legislation we've seen coming from the Democrats.
It's Prop 16, repeal Prop 209, and it strikes the civil rights legislation from the California Constitution pertaining to public employment, contracting, and education.
So if you have Donald Trump, who says it is a violation of civil rights law to tell people that certain races are better or worse.
That's critical race theory.
And then you have the Democrats saying, we literally want to make it legal to discriminate based on race.
Who do you think the races are going to vote for?
They're not going to vote for Trump.
Trump saying we have a civil rights law in this country.
The Democrats are like, we're, we're actively repealing those.
Well, then all of a sudden the white nationalists are like, Oh, that sounds good.
I guess.
phil labonte
Yeah, you know, and I've had, again, conversations with people that I'm friendly with, and they either are unaware of what the implications of repealing that law are, or they just say, oh, I don't think that that's going to happen.
That's what I hear a lot.
There's a lot of dismissal.
There's a lot of people that are, you know, and I understand not everybody's extremely online.
I qualify as an extremely online person, fair enough.
But just because everyone isn't extremely online doesn't mean that, you know, that they're wrong, you know?
And brushing off something isn't a good idea.
tim pool
You know how they like to push that narrative of, like, the white supremacists everywhere and, like, the evil white supremacist militias are coming?
So I have, like, I've asked friends and I'll say, which do you think is more dangerous?
The far left or the far right?
And of course, the Brazilian, oh, the far right, easily.
And why is that?
Because they're Nazis, they're white supremacists, all that stuff.
I say, okay, so you think there's a prominent faction of, like, white supremacists, militant people going around.
And they're ready to take power, and they're gonna go to war, and they're fighting for Trump, and all that stuff, and they're like, oh, you know it.
So don't you think that if you repealed the law that made it illegal to discriminate based on race, these rampant white supremacist organizations would take advantage of that, and then start creating white-only spaces?
They're like, well, I mean, I don't know.
I'm like, well, but there's a bunch of these people, right?
They're everywhere, aren't there?
There's millions of them.
Okay, so if you repeal this law, then they're gonna start forming, well, mm, oof.
phil labonte
It doesn't make sense.
tim pool
It doesn't make sense.
for what they're doing. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't.
And I've heard a lot of excuse making where they're like, well, I think you're looking too far
into what it might be instead of what they're trying to do. And I was like, and I know what they're
trying to do. They're trying what they're publicly saying is they want affirmative action
phil labonte
back. Yeah. And I'm like, okay. Did, did affirmative action go away in, in.
tim pool
That's what basically you can't discriminate based on race.
You can't have affirmative action.
phil labonte
OK, I didn't realize that.
I thought that there were still affirmative action laws in.
tim pool
I don't know to what extent they do it, but what they're arguing is that the repealing of Prop 209, it's called the affirmative action bill, repeal Prop 209.
And I laugh because every every every activist website and every voter information database says this bill will make it legal to have affirmative action.
And I'm like, You could write this bill and make it legal to have a white-only government building.
It does the exact same thing, but they choose which one to highlight.
Instead of giving the voters the information about what they're voting on, they cherry-pick the most, you know, the one that sounds good!
You could even say, this one helps the state, you know, do away with evil racism.
Sure, it's an opinion, it's framing.
That's what we're gonna get.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think it's a bad idea.
I've heard people make the state's rights argument, which blows my mind because I'm like, you're making a state's rights argument about racism.
You realize that we had a war about that, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
That's what the argument that the South made was we have the state's right to keep people enslaved.
And we fought a war and said, no you don't.
And now you're making that argument again.
It blows my mind.
tim pool
When Jo tweeted this, she tweeted that slogan, it's not enough to not be racist, we must actively be anti-racist.
Clearly she doesn't know what she's saying.
The first thing is, libertarians shouldn't be saying what we must do, for one thing.
But the scarier thing is that her willingness to repeat it without knowing what it is, it's like outside of... Look, if she was serious about it, the anti-racist ideology is literal racism.
They just put that anti in front of it.
The way I try to describe it to people is that racism is a spectrum, and racism and anti-racism are the exact same thing, with different goals.
But the goals, I should say, with different...
What's the right way to... They're the same goals, with the same belief structure, but different emotions behind them.
I think you're right, yeah.
The only difference is our emotions are different.
It's racism where they claim they love you, but they need to discriminate against you for love, versus racism based on hate.
lydia smith
To me, it almost seems like a mom mentality where you're like, I'm doing this for your own good.
So let me just help you.
You need me to make this difference for you.
Whereas other racism is like, I'm going to tell you what to do.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, I get it.
So for her to tweet it out and then double down on it and then the Libertarian party double down on it.
I saw a lot of people saying they wouldn't support the Libertarians over it.
Cause that's like freaking.
phil labonte
I myself made a big tweet and got into it with some people that were Libertarians.
Got into it with Nick Sarwark, who was the LP chair.
You're not a real Libertarian!
That's how you know you're a real Libertarian, is when someone says you're not a real Libertarian.
tim pool
Did you ever see the Groundskeeper Willie meme?
Damn, we're libertarians!
They ruined libertarianism!
phil labonte
It's true.
It's true.
And, you know, so I understand what you're saying.
I got into it, like I said, with some of the left-leaning libertarians and with Sarwark himself.
And I don't understand why the discourse around that was so dismissive about people that had a problem with it.
Other than, you know, when you say, hey look, anti-racism isn't what you think it is.
It's not... I describe anti-racism and racism like matter and anti-matter.
It's the same thing, it's just charged differently.
tim pool
Right.
That's kind of like what I was trying to get at.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like there's a different energy behind it, but it has the same goal, the same output.
And I guess the difference between that analogy, though, is if you took anti-racism and racism and put it together, I guess you might actually get an explosion.
phil labonte
I mean, it'd be kind of good if you could take all the racists and all the anti-racists and put them together and just blow up.
unidentified
That would be awesome.
tim pool
I would love it.
Because that's happened.
phil labonte
That's a lot of energy.
tim pool
Yeah.
So what do you like about libertarians?
phil labonte
I like the fact that... So I've heard you talk about the... I forget what it was called... The spectrum of caring, compassion, and how libertarians are just all liberty.
tim pool
I forget what the... Oh, the moral foundations.
phil labonte
Yeah, the moral foundations.
And I'm 100% on the same page with you, because my entire...
worldview is I'm not looking for any particular Result.
I want people to be free and that's the that's the What I hold, you know as sacred people should be allowed to live their lives however they want and In any way that they see fit as long as they're not harming anyone else.
Yeah, and I think that that's the best way to There are some challenges there though.
For instance, borders.
their life in a way that they best see fit to, you know, to affect their happiness.
tim pool
There are some challenges there, though.
For instance, borders.
phil labonte
Borders, yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's a big, big libertarian argument.
phil labonte
I was very much an open borders kind of libertarian.
And then COVID made me go, let me rethink this.
Because to be honest, the economic argument about borders to me makes sense, right?
So you really shouldn't have any kind of Limitations on people going places to work.
And I'd always, I'd had, I'd had a grudging acceptance of borders because as long as there's some kind of social safety net, you can't just let anyone come into the country and sign up for your social safety net.
You have to have some kind of control over that because we're already a hundred trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities and all of the economic arguments.
But then when COVID hit, then I definitely was like, you know, it's probably a good idea for a country to have control over its borders and control over who's coming in and who's coming out.
tim pool
Yeah.
That's the big libertarian argument I hear a lot.
It's, you're not a real libertarian because you're imaginary borders.
I actually got into an argument with this very, like, relatively well-known libertarian who, like, started threatening me.
Because I'm like pro-borders.
The way I describe myself is, I'm left-leaning libertarian on most things, but realism makes me more liberal, because I think we need a little bit more authority.
Not towards authoritarianism leading towards liberty, but a little bit.
You need some kind of system in place to maintain these freedoms.
Because I guess the concern is, looking at it from a historical perspective, The places that were just open and free to move about you
get taken advantage of by either, you know, manipulative forces or physical forces
So but anyway Specifically unto the Libertarian Party though. Is there is
there anything Joe Jorgensen like in terms of her policies that there's nothing specific about
phil labonte
Joe herself It's the libertarian.
Libertarian party platform is pretty good.
A libertarian executive who's not looking to be... because I'm on the same page as you are about foreign interventionism and ending wars and stuff like that.
That, to me, is a very big deal.
I'm a very pro-2A kind of guy, so gun rights and stuff like that.
I would love to see the ATF abolished.
I would love to see A whole lot of government agencies abolished.
tim pool
The police?
phil labonte
No, not the police.
FBI maybe.
Or shrink the FBI.
tim pool
That's where I'm torn especially because seeing like...
We have a lot of problems with the FBI, they like to sort of set people up.
It's not entrapment, but you send in a guy who then like starts nudging them, come on, come on, do it, do it, and they're like, okay, fine, haha, you're under arrest.
It's kind of like, yeah, okay, you're justifying your existence.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's what happened to Randy Weaver at the Ruby Ridge thing is they were trying to get him to...
you know, oh, we got you on your shotgun was too short or whatever. And if you if you go and
get involved with these guys, then we'll go ahead and look the other way. And it just,
tim pool
you know, went to crap. Considering considering what they've been doing with I mean, so now,
actually, let's jump into the Hunter Biden stuff, because so I don't know if you've been following
up to date on all of this, because we're getting the slow release of Hunter Biden information,
Joe Biden information.
But the story is, this computer repair guy gets a laptop, and after a couple months, dude never shows back up.
The laptop had Bo Biden Foundation sticker on it or something.
He opens it up, because now it's legally his property, it's been abandoned, and he finds a bunch of emails.
Apparently, he copied the hard drive and then gave it to the FBI, but then heard nothing back.
And so then he started getting worried, thinking he was gonna get killed and stuff like that, so then he gave it to Rudy Giuliani's lawyer, like, I don't know, I'm gonna give it to you.
So now there's serious questions about what did the FBI know?
Because apparently they received this in December of 2019, when the impeachment inquiries were going on, which led into the impeachment hearing.
And this was all based on Donald Trump's phone call with, you know, I think it was the president or prime minister of Ukraine or something like that.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
Well, it was Ukraine, but it was a perfect phone call.
The perfect phone call.
lydia smith
Indeed.
tim pool
So he said, you know, people are talking about this video.
There's a video, a viral video where Joe Biden was was laughing about how he ousted this prosecutor.
He's like, son of a B gets fired.
A billion dollars.
lydia smith
Everyone laughs.
tim pool
Everyone laughs.
So Trump has his phone call, probably saw some viral video on the internet, didn't know much about it, and passively was like, yeah, I just, I don't know if you know anything about this thing with Biden I saw.
And that was, it was really kind of, but they launched this big impeachment thing over it, which failed.
The FBI had this, had this hard drive.
They had these emails.
In these emails, we've now learned so far, in only, I think, three or four days, that one of the executives for this company that Trump was asking questions about, thanked Hunter Biden for introducing him, giving him the
opportunity to meet his dad and spend time with him.
Whatever that means, you can interpret.
The media's trying to claim it didn't mean he actually met him, which is kind of weird.
phil labonte
I think spend time with him is pretty...
tim pool
I know.
But maybe it meant Hunter Biden and not Joe, but I'm not buying it.
It's just colloquially...
So anyway, look.
We now have... Tucker Carlson last night did a segment where he said
about one month before Joe Biden went and got this prosecutor fired,
there were communications from this company about needing to get U.S. assistance.
officials to intervene on their behalf.
And then it was only like a few days before, I guess this PR company was on a phone call with the White House or something, a conference call.
And then all of a sudden Joe Biden flies out there, fire this guy or you don't get the money.
Guy gets fired.
The guy who got fired, Victor Shokin, said he signed a sworn affidavit that he was going to investigate the executives of Burisma and the founder of Burisma for corruption and various things.
But then Joe Biden got him fired.
So if that information, if those emails were in the possession of the FBI at a time when Trump was being accused of trying to smear Joe Biden, what was the FBI doing?
phil labonte
You know, I mean, I can't I can't I can't even guess.
But I mean, I do think that the I do think that the.
So people say the deep state, and I think that when you use a term like deep state, it's such a charged term that it's unhelpful.
But there is an entrenched bureaucracy of people that work for the government that are unelected, that have no desire to get fired.
They don't want to see their job go away.
They're regular people doing what to them is fairly mundane work, but they don't want their, you know, like I said, I would get rid of, you know, get rid of the ATF.
People that work at the ATF, they don't want to get rid of the ATF.
My mom used to work for the US Fish and Wildlife in Massachusetts.
And I told her and her friends right in front of them, I'm just like, I would get rid of this whole building.
Y'all are fired.
And they were, they were, they were appalled.
And my mom was like, my mom was just like, whatever, you know, cause she knows my opinion.
And, but they were appalled that I would say that.
And I understand because, you know, if you've got a job, And you've got your livelihood tied up with the government, you know, it makes sense.
But at the same time, you know, these people that work for the government have their own interests.
And so to think that they wouldn't try to preserve their own jobs and preserve their power or whatever, I think that's just, that's a little foolish.
And to just say, oh, You know, oh, it's deep state, and so it's all just crazy conspiracy theory.
No, it's not.
It's realistic to say people that have jobs and families and pensions and all the things that go along with a job, they want to keep those things.
That makes perfect sense.
tim pool
For sure.
But there's ideology in there.
philip labonte
Sure, yeah.
tim pool
I think if these people at the FBI, like Strzok, Lisa Page, the Russiagate people, they hated Trump.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And you're right.
philip labonte
I agree with you about ideology.
phil labonte
And I think that Donald Trump is You know, just rubbing salt in the wound.
And honestly, I think if Barack Obama didn't make fun of Donald Trump at that dinner, he probably wouldn't have run.
If Barack Obama didn't get on late night TV and clown on Donald Trump, Donald Trump probably wouldn't have won.
So you want to complain about something, complain about Barack Obama doing the mic drop.
That's why you got Donald Trump, because you clowned him and made a fool of him.
lydia smith
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
I mean, a lot of people have said Trump wants to be loved, so he's looking for compromise to get the most amount of love possible.
And that's, I hear this a lot when people talk about the bump stock ban.
That he had these gun control advocates, and they were being nice to him, so he was absolutely like, thank you, oh yeah, well definitely.
Like, you be nice to the guy, and the guy, he wants you to love him.
phil labonte
I agree totally.
tim pool
Yeah.
So we end up with, we have an FBI that has some agents.
Now one of their lawyers actually got charged.
So you heard about this, right?
phil labonte
Didn't they take out a bunch of insurance policies too?
tim pool
Yes.
philip labonte
I heard about that.
tim pool
FBI agents were taking out liability insurance because they knew if anyone found out about what they were doing to Trump, they were going to get in trouble.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's nuts to me.
phil labonte
That's crazy.
The fact that they took out the insurance policies and there isn't a ton of journalists trying to snoop around and come up with information about why they were, what were you thinking, and etc.
etc.
is proof that the media doesn't have very much interest in actually upsetting the apple cart.
tim pool
It's not enough for them to not be journalists.
They must actively be anti-journalists.
unidentified
Yes, that's how it works.
phil labonte
That's kind of the truth.
tim pool
That's how I see it, because when the Proud Boys got name-dropped by Joe Biden, what did all these journalists tweet out?
Don't interview the Proud Boys, don't talk about them, all of that.
It was like one person tweeted and then someone would quote it and created this chain of all the journalists being like, we vow not to actually explore who these people are, which is insane, because a presidential candidate name-dropped them and one of them said, stand back and stand It's incredible.
It's kind of important to figure out who he's telling to stand by.
phil labonte
You would think so, but as long as the general tone that your normies are going to have about
or the attitude that normies have generally about the Proud Boys is that they're the bad
guys, they don't want to touch it.
They don't want anyone to dive in and find out that the Proud Boys have black members
and the Cuban-American identity.
tim pool
They don't want people to know.
phil labonte
Yeah, they don't want people to know the truth.
It's a joke.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It started as like a ridiculous joke, but it's an Aladdin song.
Name the cereals.
The naming the cereal things was based off of when someone farts.
They can punch you until you name five cereals.
phil labonte
Oh, that's what it turned into getting that's how you got in Okay, so you ever play the game doorknobs?
tim pool
No when so we used to do this in Chicago if someone farted yep, you have to yell safety Okay, so you you know that farts coming on you you you fart no safety But if you don't, someone yells doorknobs, they start punching you until you touch a doorknob.
That's the Chicago version.
For Gavin, it was name five breakfast cereals and they'd stop punching you.
And so it was clearly all a really dumb joke that got taken way too far.
But still, you know, I always say, like, if these guys, when they announce they're doing a rally, if nobody shows up, you know what happens?
phil labonte
Nothing happens.
tim pool
They wander around, they sing the national anthem, they get drunk and they go home.
They go to a bar and they drink, that's it.
Nothing happens.
It's just like frat bros going around and chest bumping each other and stuff.
Antifa shows up, however.
I'm not gonna rehash all that stuff, but the point is, the news organizations didn't want anyone to realize they're not a white supremacist group.
Like, you can criticize him for a lot of things.
We had Enrique on the show, and we had a bit of back and forth on some issues.
But right now, at that time, I should say, the media had an opportunity because Donald Trump said, stand back, stand by.
They wanted it to be white supremacy.
But if they actually interviewed Enrique Tarrio, who's not white, then that would have been bad because it would have broken the narrative.
lydia smith
Ruined it.
tim pool
So then, you know, what did we see with that town hall last night with Savannah Guthrie?
She again asks Trump, will you denounce white supremacy?
And Trump's like, ah, you know what?
They told me backstage you were going to ask me this.
You ask every single time.
And she was like, aren't you a little, you're a little hesitant.
He's like, no, I'm not.
I denounce white supremacy.
phil labonte
Yeah, I've heard Donald Trump say that I denounce white supremacy more times than I've heard any other human being say I denounce white supremacy.
I have literally, out of all the people that I've ever interacted with in my entire 45 years, I've heard Donald Trump say, I denounce white supremacy more than anyone.
And he's still asked, denounce white supremacy.
tim pool
So here's the bigger picture in all this.
Cause we, we, we jumped from like the Bidens and out to the media.
It's the entirety of the establishment.
It is big tech, Twitter, Facebook.
This is something Ian, you probably know a bit about, especially when it comes to like, cause you, you moderated for mines.
So you've got Twitter and Facebook story comes out.
They nuke the story completely.
The crazy thing was before anything happened, Facebook, this guy, Andy Stone, who worked for the Democrats said, we're reducing its visibility or whatever, or its reach or something.
Why are these individuals censoring a story that made Joe Biden look bad?
And their excuses kept changing.
For Facebook, it was, oh, it's unverified.
For Twitter, they said, because they didn't publish where the origins were, it's possibly hacked.
So they shut it down.
Then it was like, oh, oh no, they revealed private information.
Now they're like, okay, it's actually, it's fine now.
phil labonte
It was ridiculous.
It was all ridiculous, just garbage to try to, you know, cover up the story or limit its reach.
And the thing that surprises me the most is people just kind of bought that.
And we're like, yeah, okay.
We're not, we don't, you know, okay.
This is the thing.
That's the story.
Like, the Biden stuff isn't as big of a story as, you know, the cover-up.
And now you've got... Aren't they going to be going... Doesn't Jack have to go to Capitol Hill?
tim pool
So far it's an invite, I think.
phil labonte
It's an invite, right.
tim pool
Yeah, and they always ignore this stuff.
That's why I'm like... So I think Josh Hawley tries.
You know, he really tries to get to the bottom of the censorship and the manipulation and stuff.
But he doesn't have the power.
We're not a country of despots.
As much as the left wants to claim Trump and the Republicans are fascists, they can't do much.
phil labonte
Ridiculous, yeah.
tim pool
So these companies keep getting away with it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So I made a post about this, I'm like, when Twitter blocked the government, the House website, House.gov, that was wow!
I was like, welcome to Black Mirror, baby!
I'm not even gonna be serious about this anymore.
When the story first came out, I was like, this is it.
Or when they censored the New York Post, I'm like, they are actively now cheating to help the Democrats win, there's no question.
Because when Trump's tax information was released by the New York Times, Trump denied it.
That means the information was not verified.
In fact, it was refuted and no one cared.
When the leaked Melania tapes came out, no one cared.
This information?
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, gotta shut it down, gotta shut it down.
And what do I hear from my lefty friends?
But the story's not verified.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
When have you ever asked me to verify any of these stories?
phil labonte
Never!
tim pool
I can put out a story where it's like Donald Trump smacked a kid in the face and you're gonna be like, wow.
lydia smith
I believe it.
phil labonte
The orange man is so bad!
Can you believe he smacked a kid?
lydia smith
I totally can.
tim pool
What is it about this like...
I'm not even sure, I'm not even convinced it's an actual establishment of people as much as it is some kind of weird mind frame where you have a bunch of people that can only point in a certain direction.
So basically, I'll put it this way.
If the news comes out saying Trump is bad, it's immediately accepted as true.
Demi Lovato is like, I'm going to criticize the president even if it hurts my career.
phil labonte
It's like, oh please.
tim pool
Yeah, like, didn't Taylor Swift come out with a song or something?
phil labonte
I love Taylor Swift.
I love her to death.
And as much as I disagree with her on politics, I will still consume whatever Taylor Swift puts out with no shame.
No shame.
tim pool
What's that song where it's like, What's it called?
You're talking too loud.
You need to calm down.
Yeah, it was like the music video she put out was a caricature of, you know, of like hillbilly Republicans in the early 90s or something.
Moran sign and like being anti-LGBT or whatever.
And I'm like, Trump was pro-gay marriage before he became president.
Like, what year are you looking from?
They got some old guy who's producing the music video.
Anyway, here's where I want to get to this question.
phil labonte
Still love Taylor.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
If you make, if you make a story, you know, Donald Trump is bad.
Donald Trump throws a bag of puppies over a bridge.
People are gonna be like, Oh no!
You do a story.
Donald Trump runs into burning building to save box of puppies.
Prove it.
That's not true.
That's unverified.
I don't believe it.
phil labonte
The fire wasn't even that hot, Tim.
It was barely hot.
tim pool
Well, the joke I made before is that they'll find a way to make it negative, like Donald Trump.
He is the president of the United States, should not be risking his life and this country for puppies.
We all love puppies, but it was irresponsible.
They'll find some way to make it.
But anyway, the point is, I've talked about it before with COVID.
If the story about COVID is that it's the end of the world, you're totally fine.
If the story about COVID is that there's hope, they ban you, they shut you down.
So it's like, whatever this establishment is, they can only say one thing that aligns with their acceptable narrative.
I wonder if there's not really an establishment of like, you know, corrupt people who are, you know, wealthy and empower as much as it is a bunch of people pointing guns at each other scared.
You know, like the, the idea being, if I actually admit how I feel, I'll get canceled.
So I better join the mob and cancel them.
So no one finds out.
But in reality, everybody secretly agrees.
They hate what's going on, but they've trapped themselves.
phil labonte
I think that you're probably right.
There's a lot of people that are afraid of the repercussions of standing up and saying, no, I don't think I don't think that I agree with that.
And, you know, like I said, I'm not like a I'm not like a pro Trump guy.
You're not going to find, you know, MAGA 2020 or whatever on on anything that that I put out.
I'll criticize Trump without hesitation if he does something stupid.
The other day when he put up the Joe Biden meme where Joe Biden was in an old age home.
tim pool
You're already laughing.
phil labonte
I laughed.
I can't.
tim pool
I know it's hilarious.
phil labonte
I think the guy's a clown.
Trump is hilarious.
He's a clown.
unidentified
Wait, wait.
tim pool
It was Biden for residence.
The P was X'd out and it was Joe in an nursing home.
phil labonte
I think it's funny that Trump does that stuff.
I mean, Trump is an S-poster and I think it's great.
I think it's hilarious.
I know that it makes people mad, and they'll get over it, but...
But, you know, it's dumb.
And that's what it is.
And it's probably not a good idea for the president to be doing it, aside from the fact that, you know, people like me laugh about it.
But it's probably not a good idea.
So, you know, I criticize him for that.
Trump shouldn't be doing this.
This is dumb or whatever.
But because I don't hate Donald Trump enough and because I'm like, well, you know, I'm critical when he deserves it.
I'm probably like Ben Shapiro in the fact that, you know, Shapiro has the good Trump, bad Trump thing that he does.
So I have no problem being like Trump's a bad, you know, Trump did this wrong or I don't agree with that.
But it's people that stand up and stick their head up.
You know, those people will get, you know, get their head chopped off.
I think you're right.
tim pool
I think there are a lot of people who are secretly pro-Trump pretending to be an SJW.
Like they'll tweet saying like, oh, Trump is bad.
And then they're deep down like, I'm gonna go vote for Trump because I can't live this way anymore.
They're scared of getting cancelled.
We had that Cato Institute poll.
62% of people are scared to speak their minds.
There's strong liberal, liberal, centre, conservative, strong conservative.
The only one of those that felt comfortable expressing their opinions was strong liberal.
phil labonte
Strong liberal?
Far left.
I like liberalism.
I like free people.
I like liberty.
I don't like communism.
tim pool
Strong liberal.
phil labonte
Strong liberal is fine, but I draw the line at American left versus international left.
American left, cool.
tim pool
I get it.
This is the crazy thing.
When Cato says strong liberal, you know they don't mean liberal in any way.
phil labonte
Do you think they mean communist?
tim pool
They mean far left, progressive.
Because that's just how they worded it.
ian crossland
Collectivist?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
It's so weird how liberal came to mean collectivist in many ways.
phil labonte
In the U.S.
context, yes.
But that's why I mentioned internationally.
When you start to really kind of read about political philosophies, you know, as well as anyone else, that like, you know, and I mentioned property rights early, property rights are foundational to the U.S.
mindset, I guess.
And I think that the fact that people on the very far left don't acknowledge that you should have property rights, That's where the biggest problem for me comes up.
I can get into, okay, I understand why people would want to have progressive taxation, or I understand why people would want to have safety nets.
I understand why people would want to have some kind of universal health care, even though I don't think that it's a good idea.
I understand why.
I don't understand why people want to say, You cannot own your home or a business or any kind of property that you can create things with.
tim pool
It's simple.
I've noticed something, at least anecdotally, because I've covered a bunch of, you know, a lot of these civil unrest stories around the world, starting with the U.S., Occupy, moving to other countries.
The protest in Venezuela when I was there was the rich people that were protesting.
phil labonte
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
Because the government was taking their stuff away from them and impoverishing them.
And so they got mad.
In other countries, it's the poor that's protesting.
So, it tends to be, in like Venezuela, where they were enacting all this socialist policy, it was the middle to upper class that were angry and coming out in the streets and, you know, protesting about it.
But it's really simple as to why they don't want you to have property, because they don't have any.
It's that simple.
So, they're not losing anything.
phil labonte
That's such an ugly way to, I guess, exist in society.
tim pool
Let's play some communist scenario games, because I was tweeting once, and the Socialist Workers' Party of Great Britain or whatever... Oh, that's the...
Yeah.
phil labonte
That's one of the most clowned on Twitter accounts out there.
Good for them for really believing it though, because they keep coming back for more, man.
unidentified
It's amazing.
phil labonte
So good on them.
tim pool
It's got to be a parody account now.
So listen, I tweeted something like, we had a long exchange where the gist of it was, If we're in a socialist system, how do you draw the distinction between private property and personal property?
They like to say no one should be allowed private property, and I'm like, so I can't have, like, my clothes?
No, no, no, that's personal property.
Okay, so what's the difference?
Where do you draw the line?
There's no answer.
There's no way to... So I asked this.
I have a camera.
It's a small little camera.
I use it to produce videos.
Does it qualify as the means of production?
Some people say yes, some people say no.
There's no answer.
But when I was talking to the Socialist Party of Great Britain or whatever, it was funny, we got into a conversation where I basically said something like, if I want to build a car because I enjoy working on cars, how would I do that in a socialist or communist system where my job is told to me, essentially?
Or maybe I chose a job.
Maybe I decided I really want to be an accountant.
But you know what?
It's really fun to work on cars and I want a hobby.
They responded with, well, it's really simple.
You would just work on a car.
I was like, well, how do I get the car?
You would just go to the plant and say you wanted a car and you'd get it.
And I was like, but other people want cars too.
And they were like, right, but you can just go there and get it.
And I'm like, no, no, no, there's a thing called scarcity.
They don't believe in scarcity.
lydia smith
Amazing.
tim pool
They don't.
I had, I had someone tell me, you really believe that scarcity exists?
And I was like, uh, I know for a fact it does.
Cause like I've been around the world and I know that there's places with no food.
And they were like, no, there is food.
It's just artificially kept from them.
We throw away so much food.
I'm like, that's not, that doesn't mean, you don't understand.
phil labonte
I feel like the communists and socialists, more communists to me if I'm being accurate because I think there's a lot of people that misunderstand what socialism is and they don't realize that socialism leads to communism, you know, Lenin said the end result or the end goal of socialism is communism.
I don't think that they realize that life is more complex than they seem to think.
No matter how much food we produce in the U.S.
and no matter how much we throw away, the inefficiency or the inability to efficiently distribute that food around the world is going to mean that some of that food is going to go bad and it won't get to people and blah blah blah.
And just getting food to people in places that are very far away, it's like, it's not as easy as just, oh, we can make it and it'll just show up there.
I love the idea of, uh, what is it?
Fully automatic luxury communism?
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
That's amazing.
phil labonte
If that, like, if you can come up with the Star Trek replicators, fine.
unidentified
Totally.
phil labonte
I'm on board.
lydia smith
Go right ahead.
tim pool
No, no, to be honest, even that scenario, no way.
phil labonte
Probably not.
tim pool
So they always say this to me, like, don't you want a Star Trek future?
And I'm like, yeah, they have replicators, bro.
Like they literally go, computer, Earl Grey, T, Earl Grey, hot.
And then it's just like, it appears there.
They can, they can teleport themselves.
They can replicate replicators.
lydia smith
Not there yet.
tim pool
Yeah.
Okay.
That's post scarcity, dude.
But even, even the Star Trek world isn't communist.
phil labonte
No, they have credits and the Ferengi were always after Latinum.
I love Deep Space Nine.
tim pool
Good show.
But in the Federation, people always say it was communist, but it's not communist.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
There was still, you had to earn things, you had to make your own things.
When you joined, you had to earn your skills, and then you could choose to join certain jobs, you could freely move, you could freely quit Starfleet, there was no mandatory service, none of that.
phil labonte
Didn't Picard have a vineyard?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's property.
Exactly.
phil labonte
You know?
tim pool
So it's... It's kids who live in a fantasy world, they don't understand the harsh realities of the world.
And I think that's why so many of these communists and socialist activists are young people, because they haven't actually ever experienced what it's like to be outside of the bubble.
I'll put it this way.
Could you imagine what Rockefeller would say if he was transported just like as like, you know, at the peak of his wealth?
He just appeared right now.
ian crossland
I think he'd be freaked out that oil was destroying the ecosystem.
tim pool
No, he wouldn't.
ian crossland
I think he would be.
I think if he realized how destructive it is, like the fracking and just the extraction has become, he would rethink what he did.
tim pool
I don't think so.
I mean, fracking's something else.
ian crossland
He wasn't insane.
tim pool
No, what I'm talking about is he was the oil baron.
He was like the richest guy ever.
Or not even that.
Let's do a better example.
I don't know the names of anybody behind the East India Trading Company, but that was like the biggest company in existence at the time.
Back, what year was the East India Trading Company?
lydia smith
1700s, I think.
unidentified
Was it?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Imagine taking any one of these people, the wealthiest people in the world, and bringing them now, and bringing them to a low-income housing project.
phil labonte
I don't have to throw my poop out the window?
What?
Even the poor people can just go in the little room and it goes away?
tim pool
Clean drinking water.
Air conditioning.
Refrigeration.
phil labonte
Air conditioning is a big one.
I tell you what, not to get off on a tangent, but Europe doesn't know about AC.
tim pool
I was in the UK, I'll tell you what, and I was going to be speaking at an event.
They booked me at a hotel on the fourth floor of this hotel.
All the heat was rising and it was like high 80 degrees in my hotel room.
And so I asked them, do you have a fan?
I can crack the window and blow some air.
And they're like, what's the problem?
And I was like, it's like 89 degrees in my room.
I'm, I'm profusely sweating.
And they were like, oh, okay, we'll see if we can figure something out.
They found me a fan.
I got my fan.
I was like, okay.
So I decided, you know, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take a bath and chill and maybe like, you know, regular body temperature.
I turned the water on.
The water was boiling when it came out.
I was like, what are these people?
Are they like fire demons?
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
What is this?
tim pool
Anyway, anyway.
phil labonte
It's only hot for like 15 minutes in England.
tim pool
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
lydia smith
I will.
tim pool
I heard there's a statue to the guy who invented air conditioning in Miami.
lydia smith
There is.
Yeah.
I need to look it up.
ian crossland
People have said that the reason why community has diffused in the United States, why we don't hang out with our neighbors as much as because of air conditioning.
Like in South America, they'll hang out outside on the front porch.
lydia smith
That kind of makes sense.
Yeah.
phil labonte
I could see it.
I tell you what, in Dogma, the movie by Kevin Smith, the scene where Jason Lee walks into the room, into the house, and turns the air conditioning up.
I feel that in my bones sometimes.
tim pool
No exquisite sin greater than central air.
phil labonte
Perfect!
I love it.
I love it.
Kevin Smith's great.
tim pool
But anyway, now that we're done making fun of this... What is this guy?
He invented... Okay, did you find it?
lydia smith
John Gorey.
Oh, yep, there he is.
tim pool
There's a statue of the guy who invented air conditioning in Miami.
unidentified
He seems pretty cool.
lydia smith
Oh, you're welcome.
tim pool
Thank you, everyone.
Is it because he invented air conditioning?
I was told it was because I lived in Miami for a year.
lydia smith
Well, let's look him up.
tim pool
When you're in Miami, and in the summer, every window is dripping with condensation from the air conditioning on the inside and the humidity on the outside, and no one goes outside.
ian crossland
Yeah.
It's like 101 and humid.
tim pool
Yes.
And like, the thunderstorms are awesome, though.
Like, the tropical storms, it's like, man, it's cool.
It's just like, like you're gonna die, and you're like, yeah, it's crazy, but you're fine.
Anyway, the point is, Our poor people are overweight.
So I think we do have some kind of problem with regulation, and I don't mean regulation in terms of law, I mean like regulating resources in certain ways.
So we have homeless people who are overweight, and we have poor people who have clean drinking water and air conditioning, but lack of access to other resources.
The point I'm trying to make is, When they say things like abolish poverty and, you know, poverty shouldn't exist, I'm like, well, if we base everything off of, like, 1900, there is no poverty.
phil labonte
At all.
lydia smith
None.
tim pool
Except, I guess, homelessness.
But even then, homeless people are overweight, so it's like a weird... It's the sugar.
ian crossland
The addictive sugar.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Yeah.
ian crossland
We could do something about the sugar industry.
phil labonte
I would love to get rid of corn subsidies.
lydia smith
Yes.
phil labonte
There is no reason to have corn subsidies and have high fructose corn syrup and everything.
It is a terrible policy in my opinion.
And I would love to have sugar cane Coca-Cola available in the lower 48 as well.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
Why is there sugar in everything?
I wouldn't mind.
ian crossland
It's addictive.
It makes money.
tim pool
You know what I like doing?
You take a little shot of lemon juice, put it in club soda.
It tastes great!
ian crossland
Cinnamon's a little sweet.
I'm gonna put sugar in it.
It, like, extracts the sugar that's already in your body into your taste buds.
phil labonte
I mean, I'm a black coffee drinker, you know, no sugar, no, you know, anything.
So, I mean, I fully agree that we don't need to have sugar in everything.
It's probably why we have so much diabetes, why we have so many overweight people.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like the tobacco industry of the day.
They're peddling it to kids with commercials and cartoon characters like they used to in the 50s with tobacco.
phil labonte
I'm just over a year off of nicotine.
I smoked for a long, long, long time, so that kind of That kind of getting people hooked on stuff, I take issue with it.
So if we could do something to remedy that, I'd be all for it.
ian crossland
As a libertarian, how do you utilize government regulations?
How do you feel about those?
phil labonte
I don't claim to know enough about most situations to say this is what should or shouldn't be done, but I do think generally as a rule you get better results when it's done privately for most issues.
There are certain things that I think that you can't do in the private marketplace, but I think that most things are better left to private industry.
As for regulation on corn subsidies, I don't understand why we're paying people to either grow corn or paying people to not grow corn.
They pay people to not grow corn.
unidentified
What is it called?
tim pool
Fallowing?
Is that what it's called?
Fallow?
phil labonte
I don't know much about it, but I know that they do pay to keep fields empty and stuff sometimes.
I don't know the ins and outs of it.
I'm not, I'm not in any way an expert and anything that I say should be taken with a grain of salt.
But the idea of, you know, putting high fructose corn syrup in everything.
lydia smith
Salad dressing.
phil labonte
It's crazy.
I don't, I don't think that's necessary.
ian crossland
It didn't exist until the 90s, I don't think.
unidentified
92?
ian crossland
Is that when they invented that stuff?
92?
lydia smith
What stuff?
ian crossland
High fructose corn syrup?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
Didn't used to exist.
tim pool
I mean, corn syrup's been around for a while.
Yeah.
So, so fallowing isn't specifically, uh, you know, when they're forced to, but fallowing is when they till the land and then don't do anything with it.
So I actually interviewed some farmers when I was in California and they said it's a big part of what happens is like, they'll have the people come out and tell them, okay, we're going to fallow your fields for the next amount of time and we're going to pay you.
It's like just paying them not to farm.
ian crossland
I don't understand.
tim pool
I mean, I mean, I think it's my initial reaction to a lot of these things is I might not understand, but I try to be very careful not to take heavy actions against or for something just because I don't understand.
So, for instance, you know, Trump was paying off a lot of farmers because the trade war was hurting a lot of the farm industry.
But the trade war was the result of us losing many jobs in production overseas that we needed to bring back.
So it created this ripple effect and then Trump had to like plug a hole that popped up over here.
phil labonte
Did we actually end up... Did the trade war work?
Because I'm, again, as a libertarian, I kind of was like, I don't think the trade war is a good idea.
Trade war leads to real war.
China's got nukes.
They're already, you know, getting buck wild in the South China Sea.
And there's, you know, there's all kinds of stuff that's going on over there.
I don't know if the trade war produced the results that we wanted to because we're still trillions of dollars in debt to China.
tim pool
I mean, I mean, well, the debt just kept going up, especially, you know, under Trump.
But I think in one way, one way I can say I think we did is that a lot of jobs were coming back.
And one of the problems is, you know, we don't make our own medicine.
We don't make our own vitamin C, our materials.
And COVID was a real slap in the face to America.
I mean, it proved Trump right in a lot of ways.
It was last year, apparently, the Trump administration was saying, like, we need to restore our medical supply production back in the U.S.
phil labonte
He was saying it before COVID?
tim pool
Way before COVID.
But it's been Trump's thing.
It's like, we got to get our factories back.
Here's what we got to do.
And so it was like some Trump admin people said it.
I remember I covered it and I was like, this was in September of last year.
We need to bring our medical supplies back to the U.S.
Then COVID hits and it was like, sign the executive order, get it done because we need it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
So I think even before all that, one of the reasons the economy was doing better and better,
at least partly, was, you know, the tariffs, the trade war, and we started seeing factories
come back.
I remember, I don't know if you saw what Michael Moore said in 2016 about Trump.
Yeah.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
And it's, so did you hear what he said?
No.
So Michael Moore had this like bit where he went in this long, he tells this long story
and he's like, Donald Trump went into a meeting with executives from the auto industry and
he said to their faces, I am going to put a tariff on your vehicles of 30% and no one
will buy your car ever again if you make it overseas.
And they said, you know, try it.
And Trump said, I will.
So these people who see Trump doing this are going to vote for him and it will be the biggest
collective F you in history.
And he says, and they're, and they're going to love it for a week.
lydia smith
It'll feel good.
tim pool
Yeah, it'll feel good.
Maybe a month, maybe a year.
And then, like the people who voted for Brexit, they will come to regret it.
The best part about that is, three years later, Brexit got voted on again and won.
They did not regret it at all.
And the people who voted for Trump enjoyed the greatest economy of our generation.
So, Michael Moore had the first part right, second part not right.
phil labonte
The the if it wasn't for COVID, I think that Donald Trump would be landslide.
I really do.
I think that there's a lot of people that that still don't want to say positive things about him.
And there's the.
General consensus that, you know, it's politically incorrect to say good things about Trump.
But I do think that if it wasn't for COVID, it'd be a landslide.
And if you really look at the COVID situation, I mean, I was talking to someone on Twitter the other day and I'm like, you know, back in March and April, they were talking about, you know, everyone in the country is probably going to get it.
You know, 75% of America is probably going to get it.
It's super contagious.
And we're going to have 1% die, so you're talking about millions of people dying.
And I mean, I don't want to downplay 200 and change 1,000 people dying, but if we look back at what was going on and what It's pretty good.
that were being had back then, and then look forward to and come back to now,
it's like 200 and change thousand people's a whole lot less than a few million.
That's what everyone was thinking.
That's what I thought.
I thought it was like, we're gonna have like, I mean.
tim pool
So, it's a spot on point.
There was a New York times article where you could add two slider bars and you could slide up to percent infected and mortality rate.
And they were like, if this percent of people contract it and this percent of, and we have this percent of mortality, it was like 12 million people could die.
And the low end was like 1.7.
Yeah.
So it sounds like based on what they were telling us, the low end.
We are below the low end in that what happened worked, and it's a combination of the Democrat governors locking down and Trump's efforts in banning travel.
Together, it seems like it worked out for us.
Not perfectly.
People died.
What can we do about it?
You know, I tell you this.
Trump misses his cues in these town halls and these debates because he gets asked, why is, ladies and gentlemen, why is the mortality rate per capita in the U.S.
worse?
Why are more people dying per capita in the U.S.
than other countries?
It's Donald Trump's fault, they say.
unidentified
Yeah, let's answer this.
tim pool
Oh, I got a simple answer for you.
It's because several governors put sick people in nursing homes, killing thousands of the elderly.
They didn't do that in other countries, did they?
And that was Democrats who did that.
And now Cuomo's like, that didn't happen.
I didn't do that.
I didn't kill all those people.
Yes, he did.
So you know what I like to think, like you mentioned this, sane, rational people have memories.
People who have Trump derangement syndrome have selective memories.
They don't want to remember any of this.
phil labonte
I hate to because of I have good friends that really really hate Donald Trump and so I don't want to I don't want to you know paint with a broad brush but and especially because I mean I'm definitely An outside view point when it comes to the entertainment industry.
People that are in the entertainment industry generally do not have a positive view of Donald Trump.
And I get it.
It really does seem like you're right that people that really don't like Trump and have TDS or whatever.
tim pool
Trump Anxiety Disorder is the official term.
phil labonte
It's an actual official term.
It's like a clown car on fire.
Just ramming into the wall.
Clown body parts flying everywhere.
Flames.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
You've got people who love Trump and Trump can do no wrong.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
There's a decent amount of them, but not... If you took the... And they're clowny too.
unidentified
For sure.
lydia smith
They are in a different way, yeah.
tim pool
So here's the point.
If you take Trump's diehard Trump can do no wrong individuals and you put them in a room next to the Trump derangement syndrome, it's ten to one.
The Trump derangement syndrome grossly outnumber the Trump diehard fanatics.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you know, I often ask this question, and especially on this show, how do we know that we're not in the wrong side of history or in the paranoid bubble?
Well, I'll tell you this.
The side of history is really dependent upon the winners, I guess.
So for all we know, the communists win, and then we're the bad guys, you know?
Maybe that's what happens.
But I can tell you, man, there's a couple ways to determine that we are on the correct side of things, at least in our views.
And the first one I mentioned the other day is, I can say I condemn white supremacy, and I condemn Antifa.
I have zero problem saying extremists who engage in violence for whatever reason are bad.
I think we've got extremist white supremacists who engage in very dramatic and horrifying acts of terror, and we have terrorism coming from Antifa.
It's all bad.
There you go.
These leftists can't say it at all.
They can't say Antifa bad.
They can't do it.
But I'll tell you what else.
I can say this.
Donald Trump led us to a really great economy.
Donald Trump's also an arrogant, boastful, like, loudmouth, you know.
I can say Donald Trump's peace agreements are historical and amazing.
And I can say Donald Trump's saying we need retribution and that the feds went in and just killed a guy because they didn't want to arrest him.
That's insane!
The fact that I can easily be like, that's good, that's bad, shows that we are calm and rational and considering what's before us.
And the people with Trump Anxiety Disorder are not thinking clearly.
phil labonte
They're not.
ian crossland
What about this?
George Washington was a violent terrorist.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I don't even think the British view him that way.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was literally deemed a terrorist by King George.
tim pool
I've talked to my friends who are British and they say they don't, it's like, what I was told is you got to understand, Tim, that is a blip in our history that didn't even last that long.
ian crossland
Well, because they didn't win.
George Washington's terrorist organization won.
lydia smith
Yeah, pretty great organization, I dare say.
tim pool
Liberal, liberal terrorist organization.
Freedom and individuality!
phil labonte
You know, if you talk to, um, I'm, you know, Carl, Benjamin, um, and so, like, I watch his stuff a lot, and I heard him talk about the United States as being the end result of what the English were trying to do.
unidentified
He's just trying to take credit for the cool stuff we did.
phil labonte
He might be, he might be.
ian crossland
The first to ban slavery is the English?
phil labonte
I don't know if they think they were, but I know that they before us.
Yeah, they did it before us.
And I'm thinking more along the lines of of the.
The the way that individuals are looked at as opposed to the way that the monarchy was looked at in England, the ideas that the English, the ideas that were like laid out in the Magna Carta and laid out That really kind of got their start in England.
tim pool
Don't they still have a house of lords where their political power is derived from their land ownership centuries ago they've inherited?
phil labonte
I don't know.
I don't know enough about it to criticize a lot, but it does sound like a house of clown cards.
lydia smith
So, no, I kid, I kid.
tim pool
I get it.
I think a lot of these ideas made their way over here, and then something really interesting that happened, I guess, is distance from the crown.
People had no allegiance to something they didn't know about.
I mean, you were born here, and you grew up here.
You're like, I don't know no king.
I don't know anything about that.
And so people were like, stop telling me what to do.
Especially when you consider, like, if you're in England or whatever, you're in London, it's a very dense populated area.
You grow up in the colonies or whatever, you're in wilderness.
It's wilderness as far as I can see.
You can do whatever you want!
You're, like, walking through the woods, like, you know, take a dump wherever, and, like, you're shooting your musket and stuff, and you're yelling and singing.
You go back to England, you go to London, you got rules, you can't do that.
Same is true for here in the US.
You live in New York, you can't play loud music.
You go to the middle of nowhere, you can fire a gun into the hillside or whatever.
phil labonte
I am familiar with that.
tim pool
So you have a bunch of people.
It's really fascinating because I was thinking about the urban versus rural debates that we have in the country.
This is before like the Internet era, you know, like maybe the 2000s.
And I was like, there really is an interesting thing here where you see like the urban cities are very restrictive and the rural conservatives are much more about freedom and openness because they have more space to kind of be free.
And it's similar in many ways to like what made people want to leave these these densely populated areas in Europe and come to the new world and find something new.
phil labonte
Sanders was on to something when he was talking about the assault weapons ban.
lydia smith
Seriously?
phil labonte
He's like, we don't have that problem in Vermont because we're a rural state and so it's not a thing.
As much as I was never really a pro-Bernie Sanders guy, I was definitely much more of a Ron Paul guy.
But he definitely had you know, he had some points, you know Sanders has had some some Yeah, but he sold out.
Well, yes he did I mean look when he he laid down and kissed the ring which he should have never done and I I've again talking to some of my more left-leaning friends that I'll be like, you know, look Sanders was made a clown by Hillary Clinton and having to give up the mic to those protesters on his own stage.
And that was it was just like he's he's a wuss.
He's not going to.
tim pool
He can't be president.
phil labonte
I'm trying to be.
I'm doing it.
You know, and then people will be well, you know, they make the excuses.
And I just I'm just like.
Ron Paul never sold out.
unidentified
What?
phil labonte
And people are like, oh, you know, I know you're blah, blah, blah, Ron Paul and dah, dah, dah.
But it's true.
Ron Paul caught so much crap from everybody all the time.
Dr. No.
Constantly the only guy or one of Him and one other guy, him and Kucinich, voted no on something that everybody else voted on.
tim pool
That's why I liked Kucinich back in the day.
And you know, and the other thing Ron Paul did, is he self-replicated a younger version of himself, who is also, Rand is awesome.
phil labonte
I am a big fan of Rand Paul as well.
tim pool
I'd like least to no vote.
There's very few politicians I will outright be like, I really like that politician.
And it's basically just Rand Paul.
Because there's other politicians I can say, I like they've done this, I like they've done that.
Like Ro Khanna, for instance, is a Democrat who called out Pelosi because she won't sign the stimulus deal.
And I think he's absolutely right.
I think at this point, the Senate is Republican, the presidency is Republican.
If you want to get this signed and done, you don't have the leverage to sit there and scream.
You just get the people the checks they need.
And even he recognized that.
unidentified
But Pelosi is like, I won't give Trump the orange man.
phil labonte
It boggles the mind.
It's unfortunate that she has the cover that she has because most people don't pay very close attention.
I don't feel like they do and I feel like that's what she's relying on because if the average person knew that The Democrats were holding up a stimulus bill.
That they were the reason that we couldn't get something passed to, you know, to provide relief for the American people.
I think that it would have a significant effect on their attitude.
tim pool
CNN called her out.
phil labonte
Did they really?
tim pool
Wolf Blitzer said, your colleagues want you to agree to this.
phil labonte
Good for them.
tim pool
And she goes, well, we represent these people.
And like, they were both trying to get the last word.
phil labonte
Yes, I did hear that.
I didn't know exactly what the context was, but I heard the exchange.
tim pool
And the crazy thing to me is, you normally got these lefties who defend the media and they're like, Trump is wrong for insulting the media.
Now I'm seeing all of these progressives I know.
CNN is trash.
They don't understand.
It's Trump's fault.
And I'm like, okay, yeah, fake news, huh?
That's what they're saying about the New York Post.
phil labonte
CNN has spent three and a half or four years trying to do everything they can to discredit Donald Trump.
Four years of you know what program is coming up.
It's the Orange Man Bad Show with Brian Seltzer, followed by the Orange Man Bad Show with Chris Cuomo, followed by Fareed Zakaria and Why the Orange Man is Really Bad and Fat and Unhealthy.
tim pool
So here's the thing, too.
It's like, maybe there is a bias on my part.
I just praised Ro Khanna, because he also voted in line with Trump to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan.
phil labonte
Yeah, get out.
tim pool
And I'm like, this guy sounds pretty good.
He's also voted on some things I think are kind of bad, and I'm like, so I don't agree with this guy across the board, but hey, man.
If you're anti-interventionist, you want to get our troops back, and you're willing to compromise, I will give you praise and respect.
You turn on CNN.
No, there's not a kind word for Trump at any point.
And they do this faux recognizing Trump that's not real.
Like, well, we understand the president, but...
phil labonte
Yeah.
The thing, like you mentioned earlier, like Rand Paul, and I agree totally, Rand Paul, I'm a big fan.
You can look at Rand Paul and see the way that people like Tony Poznanski.
unidentified
Who's that?
phil labonte
He's a Twitter guy, he's a Hollerback guy.
lydia smith
Hollerback?
phil labonte
Yeah, he's one of those Hollerback girls on the internet.
And he just hates on Rand Paul.
And it's like, look, I get that you don't like some of the policies, but really what you're hating on is this narrative that's been built about Rand Paul.
Because Rand Paul is the guy that came up with the Justice for Breonna Taylor bill.
lydia smith
No one knows that.
phil labonte
And no, exactly.
unidentified
Nobody knew.
phil labonte
No one is aware.
tim pool
They were yelling at him in the street.
phil labonte
Say her name!
unidentified
I drafted the bill!
lydia smith
I said her name!
phil labonte
It's like people don't know what policies he would be for or against.
They don't know anything about his philosophy of how he thinks that the government should be organized and what the role of the Senate and Congress is and blah blah blah.
They just go and they say, oh Rand Paul, he's that guy that Tony Poznanski, the guy that sells baseball cards on Twitter, doesn't like.
Like, it's, again, I mean, my shirt says everything is stupid and nothing matters, and it's really true.
tim pool
In like, kind of faux-cyrillic.
phil labonte
I love it.
Hold on, yeah, there you go.
And that's, I mean, that's kind of a catchphrase that I've kind of adopted because there's just so much stupidity where people just don't know why they're upset or why they're Angry why they don't like this person or that person or whatever, you know, I don't want to I don't want to name any of these lefty channels So just just so you guys know cuz I don't want to promote them or even drag them I don't want people going but it's like when there are people who try to make videos criticizing me and it's clear They've never actually watched any of my videos.
tim pool
It's it's that's that's the problem.
It's you have people who found a way to monetize Tribalist rage.
Yeah And then they say things that aren't true or don't make sense, but it doesn't matter.
As long as it satiates that tribalist lust for attacking the other.
So you'll get a lot of these channels on YouTube, both left and right, that are like, this YouTuber's dumb.
No, that YouTuber's dumb.
And I'm like, I wonder if you guys actually watch each other's content.
And they don't.
They probably don't.
phil labonte
Clips, maybe clips that are sent to him from... And the clips are going to be out of context.
tim pool
And it's like, you could... That's why I'm very careful when I like, I was quoting Prince Harry when he made... Yeah, I heard that.
philip labonte
Yeah.
This is what Prince Harry said.
Prince Harry said that... He thinks this, yes.
tim pool
He thinks, according to Prince Harry, that this world, Prince Harry says, was made, according to Prince Harry.
You gotta do it that way because they're gonna cut it and they're gonna be like, look at the dimples!
There was one where I was, uh, paraphrasing white nationalists.
phil labonte
That's some racist stuff that he said.
tim pool
Oh, I know!
It's super- Okay, we gotta say it now so people understand the context.
But Prince Harry said that this world was created by, this is according to Prince Harry, white people, and then he went on to say it was created by them Four, according to Prince Harry, white people.
phil labonte
Can you believe that?
tim pool
The full quote without the four Prince Harry's in between.
But I do that because you know they're going to try and pull it and they don't care.
ian crossland
We should also point out he's not a prince anymore.
Someone, I think, I received some comments like, he's not a prince anymore, guys.
tim pool
Yeah, he lost his title.
ian crossland
So now he's just Harry.
phil labonte
Good.
tim pool
He's just a guy?
ian crossland
Just Harry.
tim pool
Well then what do I care what some guy thinks?
ian crossland
No, exactly.
lydia smith
He's just a guy.
phil labonte
He's just a guy that's holding Meghan's purse.
lydia smith
Oh gosh, at this point.
unidentified
That's kind of the deal, man.
phil labonte
She's like, Harry, if you want to get any tonight, you better get up there and you better say these things.
lydia smith
Dude, she made him get rid of his guns.
The man was a hunter and he was a soldier and his wife made him get rid of his guns.
It's a sad story, man.
phil labonte
I was in a relationship with someone that I really, really, really cared about, and I wasn't about to move somewhere where I wouldn't have.
tim pool
No way, man.
That's not a healthy relationship.
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
You can't do that.
Because she clearly doesn't respect him at all.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
What, does she just want to be a princess, I guess?
lydia smith
She wants to be president.
ian crossland
She was a princess.
lydia smith
She wants to run for president.
ian crossland
Oh, she does?
phil labonte
She does.
lydia smith
She has aspirations of presidential.
phil labonte
Yeah.
By the time she gets to the point where she could, AOC will already have taken the spot that she's after.
I really think AOC's gonna rock.
tim pool
I'm really excited for an AOC presidency though.
lydia smith
Why's that?
tim pool
It's gonna be like being at a circus.
I was gonna be like, trapeze, there's gonna be clown cars crashing into walls.
And we're gonna be sitting there, like the news is gonna be crazy.
phil labonte
It's gonna be great, and they're gonna be telling you how great she's doing.
lydia smith
Things are on fire, yeah.
tim pool
She's gonna be standing there with a smile on her face, people behind her are like screaming.
lydia smith
Nothing to see here.
phil labonte
It'll really end up being like the Hunger Games, really, where like, you know, the people that are in District 1 in D.C.
in the area are doing very, very well and they're vomiting so they can keep gorging themselves.
tim pool
You know what I love?
The rest of the country is going to be What people don't understand is like, I don't know if you heard the quote from Greta Thunberg, where she was like, we don't want to wait till 2030.
And she's like, we don't want to wait till 2050 or 2030 or not even, you know, 2021.
We want it now.
We want to end these investments and subsidies.
It's like, yeah.
20 million people will die overnight.
Cause like we transport food into areas that have no food.
Could you imagine if they got rid of fossil fuels?
Like the Antarctic Antarctic researchers would just die.
Just like instantly they would just die.
phil labonte
If only the Ghost of Christmas Future could come and grab all the socialists and be like, if we implemented all of your stuff, this is the future that you get.
That'd be great.
Where's that Ghost of Christmas Future to come and show everybody what the future would be like if they got what they wanted.
tim pool
I think it's because, you know, going back to the conversation we were having about not, you know, poor people being kind of well-off, but there's weird distribution issues.
You've got these people that spent their whole life with everything handed to them.
And we're at this point now where we're so well-off, there's almost no struggle.
Even when you're poor, you got food, you got air conditioning, you got clean water, you got a hot bath.
And that's poverty level in this country.
I'm not saying life is good for them relative to where it is for the middle class, but relative to people 100 years ago, it's living like kings.
And so what happens is, what's, you know, if you can't clean yourself, and if you have dirty water, you live in the middle of nowhere, you drink from a well, you get infections, you get parasites, you get sick.
Life is a struggle.
Now we're at a point where even our lower middle class are living very, very well relatively.
And so based on survivability standards, which would be universal, not predicated upon the success of our country, they're kings.
And so they grow up with their bare necessities almost essentially met.
Everything's handed to them.
They go to school.
They're told what to do.
They get a job.
They go, you know, finally, they go through college, high school, whatever.
They get their degrees, and they're told to do the entire time.
They have no understanding about resource distribution.
They've probably never even grown a plant.
They have no idea where their food comes from.
So they're just like, I wake up, and there's food.
Oh, you know what?
I'm gonna stop right there.
I'm gonna tell you a joke.
This is a really funny sketch.
Where this apartment's all messy and this guy's girlfriend comes in and she wakes up her boyfriend and she's like, you need to clean this mess up.
And he goes, wait, let me show you something.
And he puts the garbage on top of the coffee table and he goes, now all we have to do is go to sleep and we wake up.
And then she's like, are you kidding me?
Because she's the one who's cleaning all the trash.
That's kind of what it's like.
They just wake up one day, they walk in the cafeteria, and there's food.
Well, I don't know where it came from.
ian crossland
I would add also, unemployment is very strange.
I've been on unemployment, I don't know if you guys have ever been on unemployment before, but you lose your job, you sign up, you start getting a check, 500 bucks a week or whatever.
But if you get a job that's going to pay you 400 bucks a week, you lose your 500 bucks a week.
So there's incentivizing you to not get a job.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
These are the people now that are out there.
They're probably on unemployment because of COVID.
A lot of people encourage to not get a job.
tim pool
It's worse than that.
When I was on unemployment, I worked a job that was essentially sales.
It was fundraising and so it was commission-based.
But that meant that the unemployment I was eligible for was dramatically lower than what I actually earned on average.
And so when I was on the phone with the woman, she said, you know, have you looked for work?
And I said, I have.
And I was like, I have a question, though.
Because there are jobs I could get, but they pay so much less than what I used to make.
And, like, I'm getting paid well.
And she goes, no, no, no, stop, stop.
Don't take a job that pays you less.
Stay on unemployment.
And I was like, why?
And she said, when we get people who take a job that pays less than their unemployment, they quit the job, they lose the job, you need to make sure you can maintain your standard of living.
Otherwise, you'll be back on unemployment.
That's actually a good point.
If you have a base requirement, if you have a car payment and a mortgage or a rent or whatever, and your unemployment's covering it, and you find a job that will pay you but it pays less than your necessities, she was basically saying, we can't have that because then you'll be homeless, you'll be in trouble.
But that still creates this problem where it's like, okay, I'll stay in unemployment, I won't take the job, and what do you do?
phil labonte
I feel like Milton Friedman talked about that kind of stuff.
I'm not super...
It's not well read on Austrian economics and stuff, but that's something that libertarians do talk about is when you have government provided safety nets and stuff, if you're making $500 a week from the government, then you're not going to get a job for $450 or for $400.
tim pool
A better way to put it is that it creates a tendency.
Maybe most people would say I'd rather work because work is fulfilling but maybe just enough people get trapped and then you create a trap where you gradually catch more and more people and it gets worse and worse and worse.
phil labonte
I think that's the biggest problem is the fact that it becomes a trap where people, you know, if you're getting $500 a week to start something on your own that's actually above board that you're going to be, you know, unless you're doing like a side hustle that you're not tell the government about. But like if you're going to
start something on your own, then people get used to making a certain amount of money. So even if you
can cut back and survive on 400, there's not a whole lot of incentive to do that. Right. You
know, just to get off the government handout. So what do you think about UBI, universal basic
income? Again, that's something that Milton Friedman had talked about. And there is a libertarian
argument in.
If it gets rid of all other entitlements, it's something that I think that may be worth talking about.
tim pool
That was Yang's position.
phil labonte
Yeah, and I didn't hate on Yang at all.
tim pool
I liked him.
I think UBI, I'm not a big fan of it, but I thought he has a very comprehensive policy across the board.
phil labonte
I like him except for the fact that he was a Democrat.
And it's not because there's anything wrong with Democrats.
It's because of the official DNC party.
It's not that he's a Democrat and would like Democrat policies.
It's because I believe the DNC official is corrupt and bad.
tim pool
I can give you one simple reason why you don't vote for Democrats.
You can get a moderate Democrat to come out and say, I agree with everything you said, 100%, and I will put forth bills and I will agree on all of those things.
And guess what?
When Nancy Pelosi says, we're impeaching Trump, they go, okay.
So you're empowering Pelosi and Schumer.
And you know, I look at these moderate Democrats, the one in 2018, and the meme idea I like to use is the Lord of the Rings, you know, cast it into the flames.
You've got Isildur holding the one ring and it says, orange man bad.
The orange man is bad.
they would cast it into the fires if you just got them to Mount Doom. And then once they were there,
the moderates yelled, cast into the flames and no. And they walked out and they went to impeach
unidentified
Trump. The orange man is bad. It's such an idiotic. So that's when I was like, you know what? You
tim pool
can't vote for him. Even if you do like, I really liked Yang and I really like Tulsi and I don't
agree with everything Tulsi has in terms of her policy positions or Yang either when it comes to
to UBI specifically.
I just thought Yang had, like, the most comprehensive list of plans that I've seen in a long time.
phil labonte
I'm a big 2A supporter, and that for me is... Yeah, they were both gun control.
unidentified
They were both bad.
tim pool
And I've flipped on that completely because of the riots.
phil labonte
Yeah, and I've always been kind of a pro-2A guy, but the fact that there's so many people that are, you know, purchasing guns, and I don't know if you've tried to buy ammo, but it's a nightmare.
unidentified
Oh man, it's gone.
tim pool
It's not possible.
phil labonte
It's a nightmare.
Gone.
And I've taken, you know, I go to classes every single year.
I'm one of those guys that's like, If I talk about guns, I try to go down the four basic firearm safety rules, you know, and I really advocate people getting out and training, and I put up video of me training so that way people see that I'm not just talking about it, which I think there are too many people that do that, like I'm actually walking the walk.
And if you could give me a Democrat that would just say, you know what?
I think that the Second Amendment means what it says.
And that's something that I'm really not going to worry about.
I'm not I'm not pro gun control.
I could look at Democrats completely different if they, you know, if there was someone that was like, oh, the Second Amendment means what it says.
tim pool
But did you ever read the the original text of the first draft of the Second Amendment?
phil labonte
Um, I don't know.
Maybe not.
I know that there were multiple drafts and there were different places that they put commas and stuff like that.
tim pool
So let me, let me, let me see if I can find it.
So, um, I think it's in Wikipedia.
Maybe we can't.
United States Bill of Rights.
I don't know if I'm able to find it actually, but there were 17 before.
ian crossland
We should get those printed up and put on the wall.
tim pool
The original, the original 17.
It was like the 17 articles.
I don't think I'm gonna be able to find it in this because.
lydia smith
You want to Google?
Do you want to search it?
tim pool
No, no, it's on Wikipedia, it's a list, but I'll just tell you, basically the original
text specifically said that a person who doesn't want to join the armed forces still has the
right to bear arms.
phil labonte
Oh, really?
tim pool
They got rid of it, I think, because they were worried that it would ban conscription
or something like that.
But right now, one of the big arguments we see from the left is, a well-regulated militia, the government's supposed to regulate it.
And it's like, that's not what they meant.
And the original text said something like, this will not be, I don't have the exact language pulled up, but it was something like, a person who refuses military service, you know, still retains their right to bear arms.
Because what they were trying to make sure of, you know, just because someone wasn't going to be in a militia, they can still have a gun.
phil labonte
The idea that, considering the Constitution is a document that expressly gives power to the government, and then the Bill of Rights is a list of things specifically off-limits to the federal government.
If you take the context, if you look at it from that context, there's no prior restraint Or no prior limitation to what a person is allowed to own.
And I hear some people arguing that the DC v. Heller case created a freedom or something like that.
ian crossland
What's the case?
phil labonte
The DC v. Heller case is about whether an individual has a right to own a gun for personal protection.
And the court found, yes, the individual does have a protected right to own a gun for personal protection.
And it's fairly simple.
The people that find an issue with the Second Amendment and that are pro-gun control, The way that they approach it is that the government has the authority to give you rights.
And your rights come from your humanity.
The government doesn't have the ability to give you a right.
They can give you an entitlement, so the right to healthcare is actually an entitlement to the government paying for your healthcare.
tim pool
To the people.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Not because the people have to supply the resources and the labor.
phil labonte
Exactly.
So, but that brings in the argument of positive versus negative rights, and I don't think positive rights are actually rights.
They're not really rights.
Negative rights are the only rights that can... Because you've talked about going out in the woods and, you know, you have the right, you can say whatever you want in the woods because...
You can say it and no one can stop you.
You can take a stick and turn it into a weapon because no one can stop you, but the actual having to do something for someone else is where the problem is.
tim pool
The way I usually explain it is, if you want to figure out what your rights are, strip naked and go in the middle of the woods.
Anything you can do is your right to do.
You can defend yourself, you can create a weapon, you can scream all you want and you're naked, you can take a dump.
Once you start imposing on other people, like taking a dump in their water, you've got problems.
But, so, there's no doctor.
You have a right to healthcare?
Oh, okay, yell at the grizzly, see if he'll come fix your wound.
It's not gonna happen.
I was reading about positive and negative rights and the easiest way to explain it is that a negative right to life means I can't kill you.
We all have that in this country.
A positive right to life means that if Ian tries to kill you, I'm obligated to save you.
Or, if you're dying or injured, I'm obligated to save you.
I must do something.
That's not a right.
You have no right to someone else's life.
And I think that's the big difference between authoritarian and libertarian.
Or, I should say, it's one of the big differences.
When they say healthcare is a human right, what they're saying is the labor of a class of people belongs to the people.
It's socialist.
It's not a human right.
You can't force someone to do anything.
So what's going to happen?
You're going to go to a hospital and be like, I try, I try asking my, my, my, my lefty friends this, they have no answer.
And they just kind of just dance around it because they can't.
If healthcare is a human right, what would happen if, what would you do if you went to a hospital and the doctor said, I refuse to treat this person?
Do you point a gun at them and say, do it or else?
phil labonte
What do you do if they say no?
I mean, you're in a position where you can't do anything without violating their rights.
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
You know, you can't force someone to do something without violating their innate right to say, I don't want to.
tim pool
You know, maybe NPC people just have no individuality, and so they don't care to lose it.
ian crossland
Right, when it comes to rights, like we I think people should have a human right to the internet right now, because it's technologically simple.
So if medicine was simple, if it didn't take you or any other person, if I could walk into like a DNA replicator that would just heal my body back to full, then everyone should have a right to that, I think.
phil labonte
Good.
tim pool
Oh, I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, in the world where we have post-scarcity technology and everyone can be healed, like... It's a totally different argument, though.
Right, it's so different.
ian crossland
So, like, a right to the internet now, because electricity is so free and cheap, for the most part, that we can gain new rights, basic human rights, I think.
phil labonte
I don't know.
I think that I disagree.
And I think the reason I disagree is because to have a right to the Internet would imply that you have a right to a connection to the Internet that has to be built by people.
tim pool
Maintained by people.
phil labonte
Maintained by people.
unidentified
Electricity.
phil labonte
Yeah, there's a lot of things that go into it.
You have the right to access the Internet.
Yes.
So you have the right to access healthcare.
You have the right to access a gun to defend your life.
The right to defend your life is innate regardless of whether or not you have a gun.
tim pool
I'll tell you what, man.
phil labonte
If I jump across here and I attack you, right, you have the right to defend yourself Empty-handed, right?
Yeah.
If you had a gun on you and I was threatening your life, you have the right to use that gun to defend your life.
It's the defending of your life that's the right.
And then the protection afforded you in the Second Amendment is that the government cannot prevent you from from using a tool or whatever tool you find best will help you defend your life.
So the Second Amendment covers knives, it covers nunchucks, it covers bows and arrows, it covers anything that's a weapon.
It covers warships.
It does cover warships!
tim pool
I love this argument from the left that they're like, they expect you to have a musket.
I don't know if you've ever seen this commercial, where an angry guy storms into an office, and then he aims the musket and fires, and then starts, you know, he puts the gunpowder in and starts stuffing, everyone runs away.
And they're like, this is what the founding fathers were talking about.
And I'm like, dude, corsairs and privateers were a whole part of this thing for hundreds of years.
You had dudes who privately owned warships that would sink government vessels.
Second Amendment covers everything, dude.
phil labonte
I want tanks.
unidentified
Yes, me too.
tim pool
Well, tanks are legal.
Yes, they are.
Tanks are legal.
And I remember there was some guy who tweeted, you can't own a tank, dude.
And then it was actually this, it was a lefty, like a progressive, who was like, actually?
And they wrote a story about a dude who owned a tank and was firing a full-auto .50 cal into a lake on his property.
And the police got a call because they hear doo-doo-doo-doo.
The cops show up, pull up and they see this kind of tank into his lake.
And then he stops and he takes his headphones off or whatever.
And he waves and they're like, this is your property.
And he goes, yeah.
And they're like, carry on, sir.
And that was it.
Like, it's not legal.
phil labonte
Like, you're like, man, what are you blowing all that money for?
tim pool
I'll tell you what, though.
I got good news for you.
Now that the progressives have shifted the argument from negative to positive,
health care being a human right.
If we have a right to access something, if our rights are positive,
then the government is obligated to give us all guns.
phil labonte
You know, you'd think.
You'd think.
If only it worked out that way.
tim pool
You get a voucher, and then you go to the Department of Gun Services, and you show your voucher, and it's good for one long gun.
phil labonte
We all know how crappy that gun would be.
Oh yeah, that's a good point.
tim pool
I don't know a lot about guns, but it would probably jam all the time.
phil labonte
We can talk later.
I know a lot about guns.
tim pool
What's a really crappy gun you think the government would give if they had to give guns?
phil labonte
Uh, well, I mean, if they had to give guns, they've got ARs now, or M16s now, so I guess they would give those, but they probably wouldn't be in proper working order.
tim pool
It would probably be a government-manufactured, low-quality, low-caliber— High points.
phil labonte
High points.
tim pool
What is that?
phil labonte
It's garbage, and I'm sure there are people watching now that are like, yeah, that's what the government would give.
High point.
High point.
But if it's the only gun you got, it's the only gun you got, man.
I'm not trying to doggone lie.
tim pool
Gun's a gun.
phil labonte
Yeah, it is a gun.
It is a gun.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, man, since the riots, you've got, I don't know, did you hear about this?
A mass historical exodus of police in Seattle.
phil labonte
That's something that I think that, that I was kind of hoping that we would talk about is, I think that there's going to be a lot, there's going to be a significant increase in violence in cities all over the country because Cops ain't having it.
They're just like, man, you do you, you know?
And I'm afraid for what that means for your average person that just wants to go and live their life.
But like, you know, I'm not in any rush to see New York City look like it did in Taxi Driver.
Or in June.
Or just a couple months ago.
Yeah, it's true.
It's true.
I know people that live in New York that, you know, they're like, man, you know, there's some wild stuff going on and, you know, gunshots just hanging out in Brooklyn and stuff.
tim pool
It's worse than people know.
I've been hearing some stories, man.
phil labonte
And I'm sure that they're not publicized on big media, you know?
tim pool
Check it out.
If you're walking down the street in New York and someone punches you in the face, is that news?
phil labonte
If it's Rick Moranis, it is.
tim pool
If it's Rick Moranis, it is.
For regular people, it's not.
And I was just talking to some guys, and they were saying, like, in Minneapolis, and it was crazy, this guy was like, we were talking about crime and defunding the police, and then he just stops and goes, oh, hey, did you hear so-and-so got punched in the face?
And they're like, what, what, what?
Just randomly punched in the face.
It's like, wait, wait, wait, you know somebody's walking down the street, someone punched him in the face?
Yeah.
And that's not normal.
No, it never happens.
It's not news.
New York Times is not going to come out and be like, another woman was punched, but apparently attacks like this are happening in a bunch of these cities, and the cops don't care anymore.
So in Seattle, I think the number is 118 have quit the force, and probably dozens more are doing blue flu, right, where they call in sick all the time, and they're using their leave until they can get close to retirement.
So this is from KTTH770 up in, I think it's in Seattle, I forgot the guy's name, Jason Rance, maybe?
lydia smith
Yeah, I love him.
tim pool
Yeah.
And he was saying that they looked into it, they checked the numbers, and this is a historical exodus from the police department.
Like, this number is ridiculously huge.
And response times for 911 calls is up to nine minutes.
Nine minutes.
So here's what I was thinking.
If I'm gonna be in a city where they tell me I can't have a gun, I can't protect myself, and then they're telling me the 9-1-1 is not gonna be able to get to me for nine, ten minutes.
Leave the city!
What's that saying?
When seconds matter, the cops are minutes away?
So I left the city.
So I lived in New York, and I lived on that street where that black supremacist killed those two cops, if you remember that story.
And that was when I was like, oh man, I probably shouldn't live here.
I went down to Miami for a little bit.
When I came back, I went to the Jersey side.
Now someone planted bombs in Jersey City and in Manhattan, and that was crazy.
I really want to get away.
Like, I can see the tensions escalating.
So I moved to South Jersey.
Now I'm in the suburbs on the other side of the river from Philly, which is not that big, and I'm like, everything's fine.
And then the riots happened in June and the helicopters were... We could see them.
Yeah, and the sirens too.
And I was like, I'm in the middle of nowhere.
unidentified
You thought you were in the middle of nowhere.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Relative for me growing up in Chicago in the city people like whenever I say I'm from Chicago
They're like, oh which suburb and I'm like, I was in the city
Yeah, yeah, so now like the suburbs or the middle of nowhere. No, not good enough
They crossed the bridge and I'm like why?
They were purposefully coming They actually came to my sleepy suburb town.
And I got an email notification from people with like the Nextdoor app, and they were like, why are they coming here?
phil labonte
That was when you were, that's when Carl came over and you guys were doing that, uh... No, no, no, no.
The event?
tim pool
Yeah, that was last year.
phil labonte
Okay, last year.
tim pool
I'm talking about the riots now that happened in June.
phil labonte
Okay, okay, okay.
tim pool
Like, people were like, yo, why are they coming to our suburb for this?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, why?
Same thing happened in Chicago.
phil labonte
But yeah, the event I did with Sargon... That was in southern Jersey?
tim pool
It was in Southern Jersey, it was in Pitman, and this is hilarious because these Antifa people came from far away, from like Brunswick or whatever, from, you know, half an hour north of- I lived there.
phil labonte
Like, I literally live- Dumb, probably 20-year-old college kid who probably thinks Mao was all right.
And then he's like, I'm a Marxist-Leninist, and Daryl Davis is a white supremacist.
tim pool
And he made a post about it.
So I think most people know who Daryl is, but he's de-radicalized 200-plus Klansmen, and he's a black jazz musician.
He's an amazing person.
And he said he just wanted to talk to him, understand him, and that proximity and that friendship actually changed their minds and changed their worldview.
phil labonte
Is there not a better refutation of the idea that you should punch Nazis than Daryl Davis?
You're not going to convince, like when you, nobody punched the Nazi out of Spencer that day he got sucker punched.
They didn't punch the racism out of him.
lydia smith
Didn't work.
phil labonte
Didn't work at all.
That man is just as racist as he was before he got punched.
ian crossland
With different tactics.
phil labonte
Yeah.
But Daryl Davis sits down and talks to people and clansmen that, you know, will actually wear that dumbass outfit in public.
And he can talk them out of it.
Did I just mess up by swearing?
Is that a swear?
No, no, no.
ian crossland
Heartfelt.
phil labonte
But, I mean, like, seriously, like, Daryl Davis talks people out of being Klansmen and befriends people that were racist, racist.
tim pool
Dude, his stories are amazing.
phil labonte
It's amazing.
tim pool
Like that one story he has where he met this Klansman A lot of these guys just never actually met or interacted
with a black person And when he was talking to this guy the guy was a big fan
of rock and roll and him being this musician What had access he's like I can get I can show you this
famous car And this this this this racist guy this white supremacist
like you can actually get me I can you can sit in the car like and then he went there
and like I'm probably I'm probably ruining Darryl story But it was like it was it was so like man. I was welling up
when I heard it He brings this racist guy, he sees this car from this rock legend he's always dreamed of, and he gave Daryl a hug.
And he was like, that shattered that racism in a moment.
He was like, this guy is one of the coolest, nicest guys ever to help me do this.
Man.
I love the stories.
So we did that event and he told these stories and it was just like, he got a standing ovation.
phil labonte
Good for him.
tim pool
But it wasn't this profound thing where he did this great deal of work where he's like writing down, trying to figure out what to say.
He just sat down and said, what up?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And we talked.
phil labonte
He's just a person, you know?
tim pool
And then it was simply the act of trying to communicate with them that allowed them to understand their racist views didn't make sense.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
My favorite story was that He said, well that was my favorite story, but in one of his stories he said that he was hanging out with this clan member who stayed a clan member until one day he was at a meeting, this clan guy told him he was at a meeting, and he heard them saying all these things about black people and then he stopped and thought, that's not like Daryl at all.
I don't, this doesn't make sense anymore.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
And then he gave his robes to Daryl.
That dude is amazing.
Those stories are so cool.
phil labonte
Is it true that he collected a bunch of robes?
tim pool
Yes.
phil labonte
That is the coolest, that is the coolest, like, scalping racist.
Just taking, seriously, that's what it is.
It's just, it's take, just scalping racist and taking that away from him and being like, that's the coolest.
tim pool
They gave him.
They're robes.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then at this, at his events, he brings them and he shows them off.
And he says, people often tell him to burn them and destroy them.
And he was like, no, this represents someone leaving and the victory.
And it's like, it's, it's a capture on the flag almost.
phil labonte
It's like, yeah, totally.
tim pool
But, but it's, you know, I think it's important to show that like his approach and receiving these wasn't in any way adversarial.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
He wasn't like, haha, now I've got your robe.
He was like, wow, I can't believe you've given this to me.
That's tremendous.
That's an amazing thing to do.
phil labonte
Antifa's not convincing anyone.
tim pool
No, they're not.
phil labonte
The kids that are out there that are getting into fights and stuff and, you know, taking advantage.
If you look at the, this is one thing that I saw, you look at the mugshots of the people in Portland.
And Douglas Murray said recently on a podcast, he said if you look at those mugshots, those are people in chaos.
lydia smith
Yep.
phil labonte
You can look at them and see they're probably some type of mentally ill, you know, some kind of Something like that, you know and and so you've got people that are taking advantage of them and getting people that are probably some you know, probably mentally ill to go out and behave violently and act out and they're being you know egged on by people that probably aren't mentally ill.
Yep, and they're just using them and That's exactly what I've been saying.
tim pool
Like the Joker.
Yeah!
In the Dark Knight.
The paranoid schizophrenic, Two-Face is interrogating him.
Batman's like, Joker preys upon paranoid schizophrenics like this.
lydia smith
That is so interesting and compassionate what Douglas is saying there.
Because I think that is consistent.
I was looking at it, and I even asked some of my Twitter followers, I was like, is being this weird-looking a cause or an effect of being in Antifa?
And I think it is just a sign of chaos.
I think the crazy hair color, I think the crazy eyes, I think they're a sign of chaos.
And I think it's good and it's right to be a little bit compassionate about it.
tim pool
Free radicals.
lydia smith
Yeah, for sure.
tim pool
They don't really fit into any kind of culture.
They're just kind of out there doing whatever.
So I'll tell you one of the things that scares me is...
There's something I call the scaling problem.
So the way I explain it is if, uh, Apple releases a hundred iPhones to a bunch of celebrities and 1% of them breaks, one celebrity goes, my phone broke.
And everyone goes, oh, that sucks.
If they release a hundred million iPhones to the public and 1% breaks, you got a hundred, you got, you got 1 million posts on Twitter of broken phones trending nationwide.
And they're like, what is going on with these phones?
What?
But it's the same failure rate.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
So what happens when you have, you know, let's say out of society, you, you end
up with like 0.0001% of people or for every, every a hundred thousand people,
you get one violent lunatic as our population grows and expands, you start
seeing more and more violent lunatics.
Then they become groups of violent lunatics.
Then they start going around smashing and destroying things.
So what do you do?
Especially when you have an exploitation of these people for political gain.
So then you end up with establishment protection.
So you have these people who are going around clearly unwell.
They're not all with it.
And when they smash things up, they're called peaceful protesters.
What I don't understand is it's helping Trump.
The riots are good for Trump.
It's bad for Biden.
They're trying to hide it.
ian crossland
It's bad for Biden, but it's less bad for Trump.
I don't think it's good for anybody.
tim pool
No, I think it's good for Trump.
ian crossland
I mean, they're terrible for everybody right now.
Seems like.
phil labonte
Yeah.
It politically it's good for Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, of course, riots are bad for everybody, but I'm saying in terms of
politics, I know people who were.
Hardcore Democrat.
And then the riots hit their town and they became Republicans, not even Republicans.
They still hate Republicans, but they're like, but we need Trump to do something
ian crossland
about this.
Yesterday, Biden tweeted that, or someone tweeted with his account that Trump is
the reason for the economy falling apart.
phil labonte
That is the most ridiculous, grasping-at-straws thing.
lydia smith
What the heck?
unidentified
That's amazing.
ian crossland
There were all these comments that were like, there's a pandemic, dude.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
Bro.
lydia smith
Bro, bro.
unidentified
Remember?
ian crossland
What's that?
lydia smith
Yeah, it's pandemic.
ian crossland
Hey, I got a little off-topic thing I want to talk about when it comes to tech censorship, if you guys are into it.
tim pool
Real quick though, because we had a super chat.
ian crossland
Oh, good.
Well, when a company's private, like mines is private, the CEO has massive control of what they want to ban and block, and the board basically controls.
Once a company goes public, it's their owners become people.
And so there's these three companies called Blackstone, State Street, and Vanguard.
And they're these gigantic, the three biggest investment firms in the world.
And they own like 8% of Apple.
One of them will have 8% of Apple, 8% of IBM, 8% of Microsoft, 8% of Information.
It's just enough to not seem like they have much influence, but the three of them together
control about a third of all of the tech companies in the world, Facebook, Google.
And I wonder if it's not so much a military industrial, but there's like a financial...
tim pool
Information.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Info war.
tim pool
Info wars.
lydia smith
Oh, interesting.
phil labonte
Can you say that on YouTube now?
I don't know, that's why I did it.
Is Susan Wicky Wicky going to come and shut you down for saying a name that can't be said?
ian crossland
So like why Facebook banned this story about Hunter, and Twitter did too, is because of the people that are funding the companies.
Not the corporate structure.
tim pool
I think it's more just, they're trapped in this establishment whirlpool.
Where, if it goes against the narrative, they're scared they'll get attacked, so they just go along with it.
I don't think the Beast has a head.
It's running around like a chicken with its head cut off.
Nothing makes sense, they're insane, they're just scared of each other.
It's part of a system that's... It's a bunch of people standing in a ring, all pointing a gun at each other.
It's like a 5 million person Mexican standoff.
And no one really wants to be in it, but they're like, if I don't do this, then I'll get shot, so I better point the gun at the next person.
lydia smith
It's- it's crab pot.
This is people assuming that- Crabs in a barrel.
It's crabs in a bucket.
They're assuming that if they try to crawl out, someone will pull them back in, even if it's not true.
They think it's the case.
And I think it's correct that there's no head to this monster.
And I think people assuming there's a head is, like, kind of the root of conspiracy theories, because it's often not organized.
People are inherently disorganized, if you've noticed.
phil labonte
If you're looking to be accepted in a group, then standing up and saying, oh, I think that even just standing up and saying, I don't know, guys, I think you might not be on the on the right track.
That's enough to get people to be like, yeah, you know.
tim pool
And so they're scared.
It's kind of like in Shaun of the Dead when they all pretended to be zombies.
You know, it's like nobody nobody knows who the other zombie is.
So everyone looks like a zombie and it's like, I'm not a zombie.
Are you a zombie?
But if you ask, you're going to get bitten by the zombies.
So just pretend to be a zombie the whole time.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But let's let's let's do super chats because we got we got a good super chat right here.
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
tim pool
Dan IRL says Rudy Giuliani just dropped a teaser on the info he has on Hunter and Joe.
There are links to corruption in Iraq, Ukraine, Russia and China.
It's damning.
If true, Biden is a security threat.
You want to look?
Oh, we can't pull it.
lydia smith
I can't right now.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
We'll look it up.
Yeah, I'll look into that.
But make sure, also, if you haven't, smash that like button if you're listening, hang on.
unidentified
Yeah, do it.
tim pool
Give that like button a good ol' smash, and we're gonna read some more of these here.
Superchats.
Let's see.
Epic Toad Rage says, Tim, would you do a Trump interview live if he was willing?
And a Biden one as well, although I'm sure his handlers wouldn't allow that to happen, of course.
lydia smith
That'd be so fun.
tim pool
Of course I would.
And a lot of Trump people would get really mad at me for some of the questions I would ask Trump, but then kind of be like, okay, well, at least he's pointing out You know, the media's lies and stuff.
phil labonte
The Trump people ain't gonna show up at your house?
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
We chill.
Here's the thing, though.
Like, this is the point I was making earlier.
I routinely criticize Trump on various things.
Like, today I tweeted, it's insane for him to say that, maybe it was yesterday, when he was like, they didn't want to arrest him, it was 15 minutes and he was gone.
unidentified
I'm like, that's insane, you know?
tim pool
And when he said we need retribution in reference to killing.
phil labonte
That's dumb.
tim pool
But I don't have anyone trying to take my job from me.
You know what the worst I get from Trump supporters?
phil labonte
What a libtard.
tim pool
It's like, oh, okay.
You ever see that Family Guy joke where he's like, the worst thing they have in Britain is drive-by arguments?
And then it shows the British guy goes, I say, is that so-and-so?
And he goes, pull up, rolls the window down, and he goes, Hey, I disagree!
And then he drives off.
That's the gist of what I get for the most part from Trump supporters.
They'll post something saying, like, oh, Tim's dumb, I disagree with him.
The left is like posting lies about me, posting pictures of their family.
phil labonte
I get death threats.
tim pool
Well, yeah, no, of course, right.
It's like the worst possible thing you could possibly get, posting my address.
It's like, okay, these people are absolutely insane.
phil labonte
The place that I bought, like I told you about, I got a place in the woods and stuff.
My place is in the back of my lot, 48 acres and way in the back and tucked away because of Stuff like that because people are just like oh blah blah blah and and they're they're nuts you know this the stuff that people on the left say and and as if it's it's acceptable, you know and
tim pool
This is why when Trump did the town hall with Savannah Guthrie, all she did was yell at him the whole time.
Because they all know conservatives will roll their eyes and grumble, and the left will send death threats.
So they try to appease the left.
That's all you're really going to get.
I'll tell you what, they won't go after Biden for the same reason.
I'd love to ask Biden to disavow Antifa by name.
phil labonte
I just couldn't believe that they didn't say anything about the fact that Twitter and Facebook, you know, snuffed the story.
Never mind, you know, the content of the story, because I understand that there's, you know, people are going to be like, oh, you know, that's not true or blah, blah, blah, whatever.
But like, do you feel like these platforms should be doing this?
And I said yesterday, I was like, this is the biggest story going on in the country right now.
And there were people like, Oh, it's a big, big story because Biden, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, you know, just pooh-poohing the idea.
And I'm like, no, the idea that these companies are literally putting their finger on the scale of, you know, right before the, the, the, the election and stuff, that's the story, you know?
lydia smith
It's not, it's not the story itself.
It's the story about the story.
phil labonte
Exactly.
lydia smith
It's kind of interesting.
tim pool
Dr. Rollergator says give Lydia a raise.
phil labonte
Woo!
lydia smith
Heck yeah!
Dr. Rollergator.
I love him.
Dr. Rollergator for president, man.
tim pool
Daedalus says, if Jo was a serious candidate, she would have started her campaign a few years ago.
One vote won't change anything.
Several million differently smart people.
phil labonte
Fair.
lydia smith
Fair, fair.
tim pool
We have, uh, three people have now said, bring on Tom McDonald.
I mean, I'm always down, you know, whatever.
He's a cool dude.
Do you know Tom?
He's a, uh, I got, what is he, rapper?
lydia smith
He's a rapper.
tim pool
I don't know if hip hop artist or rapper is the right word.
ian crossland
It's a new genre of kind of a musical rap.
tim pool
It's really good.
It's political.
It's political.
lydia smith
It's, it's, it's, it's very based.
tim pool
He's cool.
unidentified
I'll tell you what.
tim pool
I'll tell you what.
I know a lot of people who are voting for third party and I say absolutely.
You know, vote your conscience.
My respect.
You know Ken Bone?
phil labonte
I do!
Love Ken Bone.
tim pool
So he was famous from that town hall, I guess, with Hillary or whatever.
phil labonte
Stole everyone's heart.
tim pool
Yes.
And he announced he's voting for Joe Jorgensen.
And then he tweeted, it's really telling that the left is attacking me relentlessly and the Trump supporters are being so nice.
The Trump supporters' response is like, vote your conscience, man.
If Joe's the right person for you, you gotta do your thing, you know what I mean?
And don't let us, you know, bully you.
And the left is like, it's all for Trump.
phil labonte
Yeah.
The hive mind kind of deal that's going on with people on the left.
And I get that you don't like Trump.
OK, I get it.
It's like, fine.
And I can understand why.
People are dying, Phil.
tim pool
They're dying.
ian crossland
I actually have groups of friends on Facebook that say, hey, hive mind.
And then it used to be cute like two or three years ago.
And now it's like really freaky.
tim pool
Now it's scary.
Like now they mean it.
What were you saying?
phil labonte
I interrupted you.
It's mind-blowing that there are so many people that are just so like, oh, well, this guy has to be bad because the TV and everybody that has respectable opinions is saying that he's bad.
tim pool
So we got Matt Michalak says, in terms of California repealing state civil rights, wouldn't the federal protection still be in effect and supersede the state repeal?
My understanding is yes, but it would require a lawsuit.
So it would have to be sued and then go up to the courts or Trump would have to decide to intervene, which I'm sure Trump would love to do.
But it's on the referendum for next month.
phil labonte
The only things that Trump loves to do is stuff that's culture war.
I guarantee he has no idea about the policies that the Republicans have passed.
He has no clue.
No idea.
But he knows that a UFC fighter likes him and so he gives him a call.
So being mad at Trump, you're being mad at the culture war.
tim pool
I'm going to give him a little bit more credit.
I think Trump knows his agenda.
When he's talking economy, bringing back manufacturing, Trump's like, here's what I want to do.
But I think in terms of what the Republicans want to do, for the most part, John Bolton is evidence.
He doesn't know anything.
Because when he was coming in there, he was like, I don't know about foreign policy.
I'm just here to make the economy work.
They were like, Bring in John Bolton.
He's like, okay.
And that was a big mistake.
Not only was it a mistake from the perspective of anybody who doesn't like war, the dude turned on him and wrote a book smack talking him.
So it was a big mistake in a lot of ways.
I don't fault Trump for not understanding that political game and who these people were, but I do think it's fair to point out he didn't know.
And so when you get the more political bureaucratic system, Republicans want to pass this bill.
Trump's probably half the time going like, I don't know what that is.
phil labonte
Yeah, I feel like he's, he's, he's like just shitposting his way through.
unidentified
I think you might be right.
phil labonte
You know, through the, through the, the White House, man.
unidentified
He's just like, yeah, you know, he's just like, ah, whatever, you know.
tim pool
You see him tweet the Babylon Bee?
phil labonte
No, did he retweet the Babylon Bee?
tim pool
The Babylon Bee put out a story saying Twitter shuts down entire network to prevent spread of story, which was like half true, you know?
unidentified
Kind of.
tim pool
It was a joke, though.
It was a joke, though.
And Trump retweeted it saying this had never been done in history, and then everyone started laughing saying Trump fell for the Babylon Bee.
But a lot of Trump supporters started saying it was 4-D chess.
And I'm like, come on, man.
Sometimes it's just slipping on a banana peel.
lydia smith
Yeah, sometimes.
tim pool
That's it.
Trump can slip.
unidentified
Totally agrees.
tim pool
But I'll tell you what, sometimes Trump slips on a banana peel and does a perfect backflip.
phil labonte
He does, he does.
He didn't know that a lot of the tumultuous issues going on in today's society have their roots based in critical race theory.
tim pool
Right.
But someone on Fox News said, I'm calling on Trump to ban this, and Trump did it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And he looked at it, he said, oh, that stuff's stupid.
Get out of here.
Yeah.
Which is fine with me, because if you're going to go ahead and if Trump is the guy that's going to cut the feet out from under critical race theory, then I'm good with it.
tim pool
That's a big thing for me.
I think the peace agreements are great.
Withdrawing troops is great.
No new wars is great.
And the critical race theory.
So I'll tell you what, the big difference between Joe Jorgensen and Trump for me is the critical race theory issue.
Because I mean, otherwise Joe could have been a serious viable candidate for me.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I went and I saw her and I actually got to talk to her for a brief second.
And I don't know that she would make a great president, but the Libertarian Party, the ideas that Libertarians put forward are good ideas in my opinion.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
You know, I, I, I, there's a lot of stuff Ron Paul talked about.
I didn't agree with particularly religion and pro-life and stuff, but I felt, and this is one of the reasons why I was a fan of Bernie in 2016, because I remember the Ron Paul, you know, was it 2008, I guess the Ron Paul love revolution.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's when I found out who Ron Paul was, and that's when I was like, alright, this is my dude!
tim pool
It was really simple for me.
He was just Dr. No.
The government, step back, shouldn't be doing these things, let people live their lives.
And I was like, I like the idea of freedom.
I didn't agree with him on a ton of things, but I thought if his only position was going to be, don't worry, I won't let the government do it, I'll be like, then what do I care about your opinions if you don't let the government impose them?
And then with Bernie Sanders, I guess with Ron, you had this guy who'd been in office forever, who believed what he believed, he was a statesman, he was serious and honest, and I saw that in Bernie Sanders.
And then I saw that wash away from Bernie Sanders when he went on stage and started lying and playing race politics, and then kissed the pinky ring.
That's a shame.
I like Ran, too, because I think Ran takes after his dad.
phil labonte
I mean, he might be unkillable too.
COVID, you know.
A lung shot?
Yeah.
tim pool
Didn't he get like a piece of his lung removed?
phil labonte
Yeah.
Wow.
lydia smith
Recently, yeah.
tim pool
Man of steel.
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Let's read another one.
Where were we?
Okay.
615 says, didn't know if you saw it, Tim, but on Crowder's live stream had Giuliani on last night.
And he said it was Hunter who brought it in and has Hunter's signature on the receipt of repair.
It's all legit.
phil labonte
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Really?
phil labonte
If they can produce the receipt with Hunter's signature on it, I mean... Look, Occam's Razor, it's simple.
tim pool
Hunter's a rich dude.
He spilled coffee on his laptop or whatever, he brought it in, went to a Best Buy, bought a new one, and he's rich and didn't care and forgot about it.
I was telling this story.
When I was working for Disney, I had bought a brand new Surface.
It was a couple thousand bucks.
And I had it for like a week.
And I was walking down the stairs, and I tripped, and it fell out of my hands and shattered on the ground.
But I had a production budget.
So I had a production budget so like that I got a new one yeah and totally forgot about it
ian crossland
And it's sitting in a closet somewhere broken, but also a drug if he was on drugs or an addict of some sort
You that destroys your memory yeah?
Experience if you're taking a lot of I'm just seems like it was my drug of choice my memory was shot could you?
Simple things.
I would literally forget stuff like that I brought a laptop in with personal information on it.
It's that dangerous.
tim pool
I'm just imagining him, you know, he's sitting there and he's like, he's looking at the crack pipe and he's like, wasn't I supposed to do something today?
ian crossland
It's like an impulse.
Words don't even form.
tim pool
And then his hand goes tight and he goes, wait.
What am I doing?
ian crossland
And he probably hates his dad and has like, I don't want to assume, but he probably has all resentful that his dad made him become a lawyer and sent him to all these prep schools because he wants to party, this guy.
tim pool
I gotta issue a correction though, because Crack isn't a downer, so he wouldn't be acting all slow about it.
He'd be like, yeah!
And then he'd start putting a jigsaw puzzle together or something.
phil labonte
I do understand what you're talking about, about losing memory.
I used to drink too much and there are significant portions of of the early part of this or the last decade that we're just kind of fuzzy.
ian crossland
It's sad because there'll be like little things like for calling your mom on her birthday or something and you just like don't even remember that it's her birthday.
unidentified
Drugs are bad.
phil labonte
Booze is probably worse.
But yeah, I agree.
tim pool
The evangelist says, literally listened to six on the shuffle.
I love this timeline.
phil labonte
It's a song that was on Guitar Hero 2.
It's one of our bigger songs.
Cheers, man.
Check out my stream.
I play it every night.
Shout out your stream, man.
I'm PhilThatRemains on everything.
So if you want to find me on Twitter, on Instagram, I stream on Twitch Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday.
Not this Friday, obviously.
And I sing songs.
tim pool
I've heard of your band.
But I know you for your politics mostly and your commentary from social media.
phil labonte
I've been watching your stuff since, I mean, I'm not sure when you started TimCast, but I started watching a lot of YouTube around 2008.
Around Occupy and stuff like that.
tim pool
I was streaming during Occupy, then I went to Vice, then I went to Fusion, which Fusion was kind of a golden handcuffs period where they didn't let me do anything, but they paid me a ton of money.
And then I started my channel back up.
When did you start?
2016 is when I started making videos, but 2017 was when it really ramped up.
phil labonte
I definitely was watching it in 2016.
tim pool
I had videos from 2011 and they're like awful.
lydia smith
Embarrassing.
tim pool
I wouldn't say embarrassing, I'm proud of all that stuff.
I was working, I was doing the work, you know what I mean?
phil labonte
We put out a record in 2002 that I really am in no rush to listen to.
unidentified
What band?
phil labonte
All That Remains.
ian crossland
When did you guys form?
What was the history of the formation?
unidentified
1998.
phil labonte
Wow.
So I used to play, I used to sing for a band called Shadows Fall, which was a metal band that got around and done some stuff.
And they kicked me out because they wanted to get another guy that had become available.
And so I had started writing riffs for a band that I wanted to create when I was in Shadow's Fall because I was singing in that band and I wanted to play guitar again.
Started writing stuff and they kicked me out and so it's like oh, well, I got all these riffs I might as well start a band and Put together a band and put out our first record.
We recorded in 2000 actually came out in 2002 then we put out Another record in 2004 and then the record that kind of broke us was a record called the fall of ideals that came out in 2006 and that had a We had a song on the Saw III, I believe, soundtrack.
Oh, cool.
If you watch the movie, it's the second song during the credits, so it's at the end.
And we had a song in Guitar Hero, which really did really, really well, because...
It was really hard.
So it was like the second hardest song in the game.
So on Expert, kids were just drilling it into their heads.
tim pool
I used to be really good at Guitar Hero.
phil labonte
I was bad at it.
tim pool
It kind of annoyed me, though, because I've been playing guitar since I was a kid.
So I was like, I don't want to do this.
I'm just going to play the song and turn the music on.
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
Our guitar player, he started playing Guitar Hero.
Kids would come up on the bus and they would beat him.
And then he was like, um...
I'm not having any of that!
And so he didn't just, he didn't like stop playing.
He just sat down and practiced and practiced and practiced and practiced until we could do that.
tim pool
When I was a kid, I learned for the most part by just playing the songs I wanted to play.
That's Guitar Hero.
But I could actually play the guitar.
So when Guitar Who came out, I got good at it.
And I was just like, I can actually play the song, though.
Like, you guys want to jam?
And then we would just like, just go jam.
phil labonte
You know, they have a game called... What's it called?
tim pool
Guitar... It's where you actually plug your guitar in.
phil labonte
Yeah, you're actually playing on your guitar, playing songs.
That's the coolest thing that I've seen.
unidentified
That's very cool.
lydia smith
It's like karaoke.
unidentified
Super cool.
lydia smith
That's neat.
ian crossland
When you guys started, what city were you in?
phil labonte
We're from Western Massachusetts, so Springfield.
ian crossland
Did you send out a Craigslist ad?
How'd you find everybody?
phil labonte
I started playing, it was a scene, very much a scene.
So like, the same people were showing up at the same club every Sunday, right?
That was when metal bands and stuff, you could play new Sunday nights, were the local shows.
There was a guy named Scott Lee, who's still involved in producing shows and stuff.
And he was the guy that kind of the scene followed.
So it was at one club, and then he went to another club for a couple of years, another club.
We just knew a bunch of the same people.
And a lot of bands that are from the area kind of had different people that tried different bands.
There's a band called Killswitch Engage, you might have heard of them.
They're from our area.
Shadows Fall, All That Remains.
There's a band called the Acacia Strain.
There's a band called Unearth that's from Massachusetts.
And there was a lot of the same dudes playing in different bands with different people, you know.
So it was more a situation of being like, Hey, what are you guys doing?
Oh, well, you know, one guy, two guys quit our band.
So we're kind of not doing this band.
Well, we got these guys and we got this going on.
And I filled in playing guitar for Killswitch Engage before they were Killswitch Engage.
They were called Aftershock.
And I played guitar for them for a little while, filling in.
And our guitar player, Mike Martin, used to fill in for Unearthed.
And, you know, there's a bunch of that bouncing around of incestuous relationships between the bands.
It was really, really cool to be there.
And kind of be a part of that at the time, because bands like Killswitch and us and Lamb of God and Unearthed and stuff, they really did make a mark on the metal scene and it's cool to have been part of that, to see it.
tim pool
We got a very important Super Chat.
unidentified
Oh boy.
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
Daniel says, your guest reminds me of the Master Chief from Halo.
Can your guest please say, I need a weapon?
phil labonte
I need a weapon.
tim pool
Have you played Halo?
phil labonte
Oh, I know John.
John 117.
I know John.
I know Spartan 117.
Yes.
For sure, man.
I read the books about the Halo books.
So I was into that kind of stuff too.
lydia smith
I believe you would need a weapon.
Yeah.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
I could see it.
Alright here we go, Yaroslav says, libertarians can't be against borders.
unidentified
Fair.
tim pool
Libertarians are for private discrimination and freedom of association.
And there is no freedom of association without freedom not to associate, meaning lots of
borders, especially private borders, with love from Russia.
lydia smith
Interesting.
unidentified
I could see it.
phil labonte
I understand what he's saying, yeah.
tim pool
There you go.
Here we go.
615 Bass says, I believe Giuliani showed the receipt on stream and said the repair shop owner would absolutely be able to ID Hunter.
lydia smith
We're gonna look it up.
phil labonte
We'll see what happens, man.
It's gonna be a fun month.
It's gonna be interesting.
tim pool
We're gonna need to make like a month's supply of popcorn.
ian crossland
Just to watch the show.
phil labonte
Bags and bags of it.
ian crossland
I just ordered a bunch.
lydia smith
Yeah, we have a bunch.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Let's jump down.
phil labonte
Thank you, dude.
tim pool
Oh, man.
My fear about Prop 16 in California is that they say what happened in California eventually happens in the rest of the country.
That's true.
I don't want to live in a country where we go back in time and we get rid of civil rights law and all that stuff.
It's not going to be fun.
I honestly don't know what happens.
ian crossland
That was what Kennedy was the first person to use the or the last person to use the
National military in like a state dispute when he when he desegregated that school
But wasn't that the National Guard? Yeah, he brought in the National Guard. Oh, maybe not the last
Someone was saying, because Nixon brought in the National Guard into Ohio to put down the protests.
phil labonte
But National Guard doesn't qualify or doesn't count as military as I understand it.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
I think someone knows you.
Jason Broyles says, tell my old friend Phil I said hello.
phil labonte
Jason Broyles.
Hi, Jason.
lydia smith
Very cool.
tim pool
Is that someone you actually know?
phil labonte
The name is familiar, I don't know.
There's a lot of people that if I see them, I'll know.
I've met some people.
lydia smith
I believe it, yeah.
I believe it.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got.
We'll do a couple more Super Chats.
I don't want the internet to keep cutting in and out, so.
ian crossland
Yeah, I had access on my computer.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
Right on.
Let's see.
TheQuartering says, I love Trump.
phil labonte
TheQuartering?
ian crossland
Is that Jeremy?
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
Is that actually Jeremy?
tim pool
I think it's actually Jeremy.
lydia smith
Jeremy!
I like that guy.
tim pool
Jeremy, come on the show.
phil labonte
He works hard.
lydia smith
Come on, Jeremy.
tim pool
Yeah.
TheQuartering, he says, I love Trump, be he didn't know.
Jeremy, what did you mean by that?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
We're going to have to have you on the show.
unidentified
Mystery.
lydia smith
Explain yourself.
tim pool
He says, The Quartering said, if you love Tim Pool but would prefer a man with a full beard, I have a channel.
unidentified
His beard is divine.
phil labonte
Jeremy, oh, that's great.
I really like your show.
I am subbed to both Midwesley and to The Quartering.
tim pool
Jeremy's a good dude.
What's Tim's comeback?
The comeback is, if you want a full beard, Jeremy's going to have to come on this show in order for you all to get access to it.
So Jeremy, hit me up.
And we'll fly you out or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah, that'd be fun.
tim pool
What is this?
45,000 people on here now make it trend.
Trump on TimCast.
phil labonte
Trump on TimCast.
unidentified
There we go.
tim pool
You know what Trump does?
He invites people to come to him.
Yeah, that's what he does.
lydia smith
Trump invite TimCast.
tim pool
Rude says, have you considered having Ben Shapiro on your show as a social liberal and him being a conservative libertarian?
I think.
I believe a conversation between you two would be interesting.
lydia smith
Speed of words.
tim pool
Yeah.
We talked about that before.
The speed at which we spoke would be so fast that it might create a black hole.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
We would travel through time.
tim pool
Create a singularity.
phil labonte
You guys would end and just be starting.
lydia smith
I can't switch for that.
tim pool
CD Saint says, I had no idea Phil was from ATR.
Let him know, two weeks helped me get through a rough breakup.
It was my workout anthem.
unidentified
Two weeks helped me get through a rough breakup too, homie.
lydia smith
Helped me get through high school.
tim pool
Someone says, get Sargon on and the game is Rocksmith.
phil labonte
Yes, Rocksmith.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
Sargon's got an open invite.
It's just, you know, COVID's made everything really difficult for international stuff.
Yeah.
Let's see, uh, Omega Knight says, the National Guard is military, and most of them at this time are combat veterans.
Yes, they are controlled by the governor of their state, but they are military.
Interesting.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Let's see, Alexander Scarpacci says, Tucker Carlson confirmed the authenticity of the laptop on his show tonight, and all that remains is awesome, reminds me of my days in Iraq.
phil labonte
Cheers.
unidentified
Cool.
lydia smith
Heck yeah, man.
tim pool
Black Lion Grunt says, Jews in New York for Trump 2020.
Sick.
That, to me, was really interesting to see when they were protesting, waving the Trump flags.
phil labonte
Like, that's in New York.
One of the moderators for my Twitch channel is a Jewish kid from Brooklyn.
unidentified
Super cool.
phil labonte
He's super cool.
And he is extremely not impressed with Bill de Blasio.
lydia smith
Oh, dude.
I believe it.
tim pool
My goodness.
lydia smith
Mini-tyring.
tim pool
What's going on in there?
You've got these hotspots.
But the city is specifically going after the Jewish community.
phil labonte
I can't even believe that they're behaving like that and getting away with it.
I can't believe there's not more of an outcry from the ACLU.
tim pool
Because, that's what I'm saying, they're trapped.
They're like, but we can't speak out, Bill de Blasio's progressive.
It's like, uh, dude, he's literally, like, you see the video where the cop goes up to the synagogue and he points, he holds the camera in the window and then looks at it to make sure they're not praying?
What is... yeah.
lydia smith
Unbelievable.
tim pool
He, he, he, like, points the camera in the window and tries to see what they're doing inside the synagogue.
unidentified
It's like, dude!
tim pool
Have you read a history book about what you're doing?
phil labonte
It's incredible.
tim pool
For me...
You don't hear these stories, like, they shut down churches, but they're going after the Jewish people in New York.
And, and, man.
lydia smith
What was it Cuomo said?
unidentified
Gotta stamp out the- Yeah, stamp out the clusters.
tim pool
That's what he said.
unidentified
Dude.
lydia smith
Weird rhetoric, bro.
I don't like it.
tim pool
He was like, we have these hotspots, you know, and he's like, and I'm referring, I don't want to quote him because he, I don't think he said it in the same exact sentence, but he specifically calls out the religious community, the Jewish community.
Then he says, we've got to stamp out these clusters.
And I'll tell you what, out of the hotspots that are popping up in New York, most of the targets of his lockdowns were the Jewish, were the Orthodox community.
So he's like ignoring some areas.
So a lot of people are kind of like, what are you doing?
phil labonte
I'm very atheist, but I also am a very strong believer that when you start saying that a religion or people that believe a religion are a problem or bad.
lydia smith
It's a blame for something.
phil labonte
That is really, really dark territory.
Like, we managed to dodge that kind of stuff at home after 9-11.
Like, there was some people that did stuff, but generally, as a nation, we didn't turn into, we hate the Muslims that are here in the U.S.
Now, there's an argument to be made that we exported a lot of war to Muslim countries, and I get that, and that is a reasonable argument to make, and, you know, it's something that should at least be addressed.
When you talk about this subject.
philip labonte
But as a whole, the U.S.
phil labonte
didn't really take out our frustrations on our Muslim communities here in the U.S.
We shouldn't be doing that to Christians that are going to church, and we shouldn't be doing it to Jews.
philip labonte
We should really protect people's right, and not just give lip service to protecting people's right.
phil labonte
We should really protect people's right to worship.
Even though, if you ask me, they're talking to themselves because I don't believe in a God.
But you still should be able to, or you still need those protections because it stops being about the God that they worship and just that group is bad.
That's bad.
Exactly.
here on earth it turns into that group there and it's just a way a tribe wait
for tribalism to sneak into it's it's it's actually really simple it's the way
tim pool
they describe free speech it's similar in this regard it's that it's not that I
think all speech should be protected but that I don't trust anyone to determine
which speech should exactly that's reasonable same thing is true for
religion it's not that I agree with their religion it's just I don't want
someone to determine which religion is the true religion so we're gonna step
back from that one yeah yeah so Noah Poe says fan of the show Tim but Phil I'm
also a fan of the band How did you two become acquainted?
phil labonte
It's actually, um... I hound him on Twitter.
tim pool
It's Twitter.
We just follow each other.
unidentified
Twitter's great.
tim pool
But you're pretty active and you put out stuff.
I think what makes someone prominent on Twitter is being insightful.
Having an opinion when something comes out and people go, Oh, I didn't realize that.
And so you've tweeted a bunch of things where I'm like, Oh, I didn't realize that.
And then I ended up following you for some reason.
And that's why I was saying, I know you more for your political posts and your commentary and stuff, more so than the band.
phil labonte
If people know me from Twitter, if people know me and do not have a negative opinion of me from Twitter, it's because of my politics.
If people only know me from Twitter and have a negative opinion of me because of Twitter, well, that's probably because of my politics too.
tim pool
John Smith says, Phil, have you seen 5FDP's new music video?
phil labonte
I have not seen it, but I do know that Loudwire was not impressed that they had the sickling hammer.
So 5FDP, the guitar player Zoltan, is from Hungary.
He grew up when it was communist Hungary.
He does not have a positive opinion about communism.
I flew out and I filled in for Five Finger for a couple weeks one time.
Ivan had some issues and he had to go home, so I went out and I did two weeks of touring with him and sang for him.
Two weeks, huh?
You know, it comes up a lot.
unidentified
I don't believe it.
phil labonte
It comes up a lot.
It happens.
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
It's okay.
But yeah, he and so me and I, I mean, me and Zoltan hit it off really, really well.
And you know, I got to pick his brain a little bit about what it's like living in a communist
country.
And there are similarities today in the United States with communist countries in cancel
culture.
So the idea that you can go ahead and say, this person did this and we should all hate them on social media and get people fired or whatever.
That kind of stuff happened in communist countries.
It's just that instead of like going on the internet, they called the police and the police just came and picked you up and then you were never heard from again.
And that kind of stuff actually happened.
So to me, the scary thing about cancel culture isn't so much that people are going to say bad things about you on the internet, which can be a huge pain in the butt.
I've experienced it myself.
But it's the fact that there is that impulse in the United States to say, you should not be allowed to say those things, and I want there to be some tangible, real-world repercussions because you said something I don't like.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
And then it keeps going.
Well, then you said something I don't like, and then he said something, and then there you go.
phil labonte
And it's scary to think that That there's that impulse here in the U.S.
among the population because you guys have said this a bunch of times and you've heard it, politics is downstream from culture.
unidentified
Yep.
phil labonte
And if it's okay in our culture to say you're untouchable or whatever, you're a bad person and you shouldn't be allowed to have a job and no one should listen to you and you should be treated badly or whatever.
It's a small step to empowering the law to just pick you up for having a bad idea.
ian crossland
Dude, I feel the same way about imagery and words, like the N-word, and I hate even saying the N-word.
I feel like I should just be able to say the word and we should talk about the word.
You'll get popped, John.
I know!
If you're not name-calling someone, you're able to dissect the concept.
Same with the swastika.
It's a concept.
unidentified
It's an ancient Indian, you know, religious...
ian crossland
Post it and talk about it.
What's the deal?
phil labonte
We're not grown-ups.
lydia smith
We're not really not.
tim pool
It's the people who are running these companies are weak, spineless, you know?
phil labonte
Yeah.
I do like the fact that there's that, what is it, the Unwoke website where you can find people that are not like that.
And there was something else that, there was something else that, oh, the guy that runs Coinbase.
He came out and said that they're not going to the long and short of it.
I don't know what his statement was, but the long and short of it was people that have the the woke ideology.
That's not welcome at Coinbase.
lydia smith
Wow.
phil labonte
And we will give you a severance package and let you go if this is unacceptable to you.
So he's paying people to leave.
lydia smith
Dang, that's awesome.
So Red Bull did something similar.
tim pool
John Smith.
phil labonte
Yes.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
John Smith says, have you ever met Gerard Way?
phil labonte
Gerard Way?
tim pool
My Chemical Romance?
phil labonte
Yeah.
Oh, no, I have not met anyone in My Chemical Romance.
tim pool
Alex Sears says, Phil, early ATR is the awesome.
This calling gets me hype as hell.
Hearing your political beliefs makes me like you even more, my dude.
I'll check out your Twitch for sure.
What is your Twitch?
phil labonte
Phil, that remains.
lydia smith
Of course.
phil labonte
Everywhere.
unidentified
Everywhere.
phil labonte
Fill the remains.
Super easy to remember.
tim pool
Here's a good one.
I was so annoyed.
People were upset that she was nodding!
14 minutes is premiering an interview with the nodding woman during the Trump town
unidentified
You know the story though people were upset that she was not I was one of them they were like you were mad
Yeah, I was like, oh, it's so annoying.
phil labonte
I couldn't believe that people were like, they were like so aghast that this undecided voter was nodding about something the president said.
lydia smith
That's so funny.
My entire Twitter stream was like, nodding woman for moderator.
And I was like, yeah, that'd be awesome.
She'd be a good moderator.
tim pool
I was loving it.
I was laughing.
phil labonte
Yeah, that is funny.
tim pool
But there were three women behind Trump.
And at some point, they were all nodding.
lydia smith
Blue, white, blue, red, and black.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Blue, red, and black pills.
tim pool
Yep, yep.
The woman with the red mask was nodding the whole time, and she was giving thumbs up.
phil labonte
Nice.
tim pool
And I was just laughing.
I'm like, this lady, like, she's perfectly framed right next to Trump nodding.
That's why I got bothered.
My favorite, though, is the conspiracy theory.
There's a conspiracy theory.
They think the producers did it on purpose.
unidentified
They did.
Well, maybe not.
No!
No one was...
tim pool
Well, she's apparently a well-known Trump supporter.
She's an independent.
She ran as an independent, I guess, but she's a fan of Trump.
She voted for him or something like that.
phil labonte
So she ran?
tim pool
She ran as an independent, I guess.
phil labonte
For what office?
tim pool
For Congress, I think.
unidentified
Oh, OK.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
I'm not entirely sure, that's why I don't know.
ian crossland
Does she know she was in frame?
I guess we'll find out on Hannity.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess so.
lydia smith
You gotta watch, man.
phil labonte
That's cool.
I just imagine some NBC producer swearing up like just a storm, just a continuous stream of curses just coming out of their mouth.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
CJ Hansen says, Hey Phil, the show was amazing in Sioux Falls and say hi to Wilco for me.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
Great man.
You played with Wilco?
phil labonte
I think he's talking about Wilcow.
tim pool
Wilcow.
phil labonte
Andrew Wilcow.
tim pool
Eric Cecil says, Tell Benny Johnson, Michael Malice, Andy Ngo, Siraj Hashmi, Michael Tracy, Elijah Schaefer, Ian Miles Chong, Styx Hexenhammer to check their DMs.
unidentified
I love Michael Malice.
tim pool
He's great.
That is a very smart man and he's hilarious.
You know what I love?
I love when he tweets in response to Trump, we don't deserve him.
lydia smith
It's true.
phil labonte
He's the best troll.
You heard about giving Michael Malice the controls of the Libertarians.
There was a poll or a petition to get Michael Malice to get the Libertarian Party to allow him to run their Twitter account.
And I wish they would because he would just be nuking everyone.
He would drop nuclear bombs that were just Tasteless and just setting people on fire.
There is nothing more that I want in the world than Michael Malice to run the Libertarian Party's Twitter account.
It would be the greatest.
tim pool
He's one of the best Twitter accounts.
You guys gotta follow Michael Malice.
phil labonte
Yeah, follow Michael Malice.
I'm gonna go talk to him Wednesday, I think.
tim pool
The ambiguous Trump replies are my favorite.
It's like, is she saying it's good or is it bad?
lydia smith
I don't know!
tim pool
Yeah, it's amazing.
phil labonte
It's amazing.
tim pool
Let's see.
Mike Hex says, Phil, have you spoken to Eric July?
Also, Tim, you should get him on.
phil labonte
Eric July is great.
I talked to him on Twitter and stuff like that.
His band, Backwards, is great.
Oh, cool.
He's great.
I'm not sure what you mean about spoken to him, but we chat back and forth and, you know, we'll talk to each other on Twitter and stuff.
tim pool
The other white nerd says, Supreme Leader Tim, what rights do you recognize in the nation of Pulistan?
What about the rest of the panel?
I will tell you this.
Cilantro.
Fennel.
Caraway.
Anise.
Gone.
lydia smith
Yes.
phil labonte
Anise?
tim pool
Gone.
lydia smith
Yes.
ian crossland
I just ordered a bunch of fennel.
unidentified
Gosh darn it, Ian.
lydia smith
It was Caraway.
ian crossland
I just ordered a bunch of Caraway.
phil labonte
Oh, is that?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Black licorice.
phil labonte
Terrible.
unidentified
Gone.
phil labonte
Get out of here.
Get out.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
I just got a pound of fennel.
tim pool
You are officially vice chancellor.
phil labonte
I'm in.
I'm in.
Cilantro's terrible.
Fennel's horrible.
unidentified
Care away seats?
tim pool
Get them out of there.
lydia smith
Nonsense.
ian crossland
A couple of rights I want to see.
Right to transportation.
Right to the internet.
tim pool
Okay, well, hold on, hold on.
But will you have cilantro on that internet?
ian crossland
Right to cilantro.
unidentified
No!
ian crossland
It cannot be taken away.
You can stuff cilantro into a tube and then put poop water into the tube and it will filter it into clean drinking water.
phil labonte
Up against the wall.
ian crossland
That's not true.
unidentified
Yeah, it's a water filter.
Cilantro can filter feces out of water, yeah.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
phil labonte
Look, just because something has a use doesn't mean that all the uses are good uses.
tim pool
We almost were going to make you Secretary of State with your free internet and transportation, but that cilantro thing is a deal-breaker.
lydia smith
I don't know.
Can't do it.
ian crossland
It's a deal-breaker.
lydia smith
Can't do it.
tim pool
What say you, Lydia?
lydia smith
I say no pepper jack.
phil labonte
Whoa!
lydia smith
Oh snap!
I hate Pepper Jack.
phil labonte
Outlying cheese is unacceptable.
lydia smith
Not all cheese, only Pepper Jack.
All other cheese is fantastic, especially Gouda.
It's in the name.
It's good.
unidentified
Pepper Jack, not good.
lydia smith
I'm just saying.
ian crossland
What about you, Phil?
phil labonte
Uh, mandatory firearms training.
unidentified
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
That's actually serious.
tim pool
I love it.
Government granted guns.
phil labonte
No, not government granted guns, but government supplied ammunition.
lydia smith
Yes.
Excellent.
Whatever gun you want to buy.
phil labonte
So that way you can go ahead and actually not be a schmuck with a gun.
ian crossland
Get training.
Is it legal to build your own ammunition right now?
unidentified
You can make your own guns.
ian crossland
I was going to ask that.
How many 3D printed guns do you guys think are out there that are undocumented?
tim pool
You can machine your own guns.
lydia smith
Yeah, you can make your own.
tim pool
You probably know the legalities better than I do.
Not enough.
There's like one part of the gun you gotta register or something?
phil labonte
The lower receiver.
Well, it depends on which gun, but if you're talking about an AR-15, the lower receiver has to be registered.
The lower receiver is the gun.
It's the part that's serialized.
So it's got a serial number on it.
tim pool
So what's a ghost AR?
phil labonte
A ghost AR, so you can get an 80% lower, and what that means is it's a lower receiver that's not 100% completed, right?
So there's machining that has to be done.
You get a jig, you put it in a drill press or a milling machine, Drill out the bottom or drill out the part you got to drill out and then you can build that.
I believe you can build like three or four guns a year for yourself without having to register them.
unidentified
Interesting.
phil labonte
There's no, no paperwork or anything that you have to do.
I'm not sure about that.
I can't say that a hundred percent, but it is, it is a gun that you build yourself would be a ghost gun, something that doesn't have a serial number on it.
tim pool
What about a pipe shotgun?
phil labonte
You ever see one of those?
Those are illegal, and I don't know what you're talking about.
lydia smith
He has no idea what you're talking about, Timothy.
phil labonte
I have no clue.
lydia smith
He's never heard of this before.
phil labonte
I watched some YouTube video.
Because of defense distributed, gun control is a moot point.
tim pool
Yep.
lydia smith
Absolutely.
tim pool
3D printed guns.
phil labonte
Yeah.
So it is no longer that you can control guns.
There are people In Europe, making their own guns, making their own ammunition, putting up videos of themselves doing it on YouTube and stuff.
tim pool
It's not even 3D printing.
It's now consumer at-home machining.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I've seen these machines.
It's just, you just put in the code and then it just... CNC machines?
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Computer-navigated cutting?
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
That's what they're called.
tim pool
And it's just, you put in the code, like a 3D printer.
You get them at home and you can put the metal in.
ian crossland
You should buy one of those CNC machines.
phil labonte
They're great.
tim pool
Oh yeah, I knew a dude who used to make rocket parts, because he worked for a rocket company.
phil labonte
I love everything about this part of the conversation.
lydia smith
It's a great conversation.
unidentified
We're like half an hour over and nobody cares.
Rockets and guns.
tim pool
Considering we are over, we'll take a couple more Super Chats before we head out.
Daniel Wojcik says, the Michael Malice petition was started by the Libertarian Party Mises Caucus.
phil labonte
Mises Caucus, yeah.
tim pool
Mises Caucus.
They are very much against wokeism.
Check them out on Facebook.
phil labonte
They're very, very good.
Tom Woods is a friend and he's a good resource when it comes to the Mises Caucus.
lydia smith
Awesome.
I'll look him up.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Joseph Mathis says, I'm presently developing a new left movement that's rooted in realism.
Check out anti-Marxist and realist philosopher Manuel de Landa.
Good book to start with.
A thousand years of nonlinear history.
Cool.
Mr. Diehlfolk says, shout out to Ricky Biden not knowing what to do with his hands at town hall last night.
There you go.
ian crossland
Oh, Bucco!
tim pool
That's it.
phil labonte
Hi, kitty!
tim pool
We gotta go.
lydia smith
Bucco's joined us.
tim pool
Yeah, Bucco's coming.
He's yelling because he wants food.
lydia smith
He wants to cause trouble.
tim pool
So as most of you know, Bucco's a cat.
He was named for Jordan Peterson by my friend Emily.
And normally he comes up to us around 10 when the show ends and then, you know, yells because he wants food.
lydia smith
There he is!
ian crossland
You gonna shout at Bucco?
lydia smith
Oh, he's chillin'.
tim pool
He's come in here complaining because we were half an hour over and he's looking for people's water to steal.
lydia smith
Unacceptable.
tim pool
Come check out my stream on Twitch.
It's Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday.
It's twitch.tv slash philthatremains.
And I am philthatremains everywhere.
philthatremains on Instagram, philthatremains on Twitter.
shout out your channels one more time?
phil labonte
Come check out my stream on Twitch.
It's Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday.
It's twitch.tv slash philthatremains.
And I am philthatremains everywhere.
philthatremains on Instagram, philthatremains on Twitter.
I have a Minds profile, philthatremains that I very rarely go to.
Parlor, philthatremains.
I just basically if there's a social media thing out there that I have, it's fill that remains.
tim pool
And I hear that you're in a band of some sort.
So good luck.
Hopefully you guys make it.
phil labonte
I'm hoping to.
unidentified
I believe in you guys.
tim pool
Right on.
But for real, thanks for hanging out, man.
It's been fun.
Thank you.
And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.
Check out YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCast News for my other channels.
I put up content, like, every hour throughout the day.
We'll have clips up from this show tomorrow.
We had, like, a weird moment where, like, the internet cut out, but we'll get those clips up.
And, of course, you can follow Ian.
ian crossland
Yo!
Ian Crossland everywhere on social media at your leisure.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
And, of course, you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
Sour Patch Lids.
L-Y-D-S.
tim pool
L-Y-D-S.
And, uh, what's- is today Friday?
lydia smith
Today is Friday.
tim pool
We just got a skate park built in the basement, so I'm gonna go- I'm gonna be skating that tomorrow.
lydia smith
It's huge.
unidentified
It's amazing.
tim pool
Yeah, it's gonna be great.
We're gonna start filming videos on it, so we're- we're- we're getting ready.
COVID really slowed everything up, but we're planning on doing more crazy shenanigans and all that stuff, but, uh, we'll be back Monday, and I think our Monday guest is gonna be epic.
I'm not gonna say who it is anymore, though, because... Gosh, all the guests, so fun.
ian crossland
But the letters were all capital.
E-P-I-C.
unidentified
Yes.
lydia smith
Epic.
unidentified
Epic.
tim pool
We got a really great guest for Monday.
unidentified
I heard it.
tim pool
It's gonna be Slepek.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
We've had, like, great guests, and I'm like, here's what's coming, and then they cancel because they're like, something happened, or they missed a flight, and it's like, and then we told every... They're surprised.
Just get ready for Monday.
You're gonna love it.
It's gonna be fun.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, and we will see you all then.
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