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Sept. 4, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Media Smear Of Trump Is Designed To Shift The News Cycle Off The Antifa Killer
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tim pool
This morning, news broke that the guy in Portland who was accused of killing the Trump supporter was caught.
I should say that they were trying to catch him.
They found out where he was, a warrant had been issued, and when they went to stop him, they say, according to a statement from Bill Barr, he pulled a gun, or he went for a gun, and then he got shot and killed.
Now, activists and far leftists are saying something totally different.
They said that he was leaving his home when he started getting shot at or something.
I kid you not, they actually have this post going around where they're claiming that he was in his car, he went to his car, they started shooting at him so he tried fleeing and then they just, you know, finished him off.
And they're actually arguing that it was an execution.
This is worrying to me because of course we were going to see the narrative go the other direction.
They're now saying the right is defending Kyle Rittenhouse and he was an extremist and their guy was acting in self-defense.
I think anyone objectively trying to look at the facts to figure out what's going on would determine that is not the case.
But something different happened later in the day.
Well, actually, this was last night, but the story picked up this morning.
A new narrative emerged that Donald Trump had called a bunch of World War I soldiers losers and suckers, and it was just cartoonishly bad, in my opinion.
Like, just a caricature of evil.
So then I was thinking about it and I came upon this realization that the goal was to shift the narrative off of what was going on with violent riots, the burning of buildings, and they wanted to change the news cycle because Trump was winning and Joe Biden was desperate.
Now, Joe Biden's in front of the cycle and Donald Trump is on the defensive, and this is a big mistake.
So we need to have a real conversation about what's going on with corporate media and how they've immediately jumped to attention to give Joe Biden everything he needs.
Even Facebook is coming out on the side of the left-wing narrative about mail-in voting.
So I decided I gotta bring in somebody who's got a good, you know, good insight into the media.
So joining me today is Michael Malice.
And you can tell by the very poorly adorned helicopter hat.
He must be a smart fella.
michael malice
Not a dunce cap, is it?
tim pool
No, you're right.
lydia smith
That's true.
tim pool
And what is the point of the hat?
michael malice
You told me I have to bring a beanie.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
I don't mean for you.
I appreciate it.
I'm just wondering, like, when did they decide to put propellers on hats and why?
michael malice
It took two of my fans to construct this and there was next day air involved.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
michael malice
The dear readers don't mess around.
tim pool
Man, I love it.
You have to wear it over the headphones because it has a repeller.
michael malice
Yeah, thanks.
tim pool
Thanks for ruining the bit.
lydia smith
Sorry, I forgot.
tim pool
Anyway, so we actually have a bunch of stories to talk about.
There's a bunch of, you know, typical weird intersectional cult stuff, but a lot of media stuff that's really interesting.
And as silly as this man is showing us to be... He appears to be.
He appears to be.
He's actually got... You had a bunch of interesting stuff you were telling us about, like the history of the Atlantic and World War I and stuff.
We'll jump into it.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
If you want to just, you know, lightly mention something.
I don't want you to... Because you mentioned you're going to go off on this huge history lesson.
michael malice
Yeah, there's a lot to unpack behind this story, which I'm sure the writers from the Atlantic are very aware of, even though they would never cop to it publicly.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Basically, you're saying like the Atlantic is a bunch of Nazis?
michael malice
No, no, but the Atlantic certainly paved the way for Nazism in very many ways.
Yes, it's very demonstrable and indisputable.
tim pool
All right.
Well, let's we'll jump right into it.
We got some other stories we might get to.
unidentified
You know, Joe Biden, what a silly, silly thing.
tim pool
So if you haven't already, smash that like button and it is your duty to make sure everybody smashes that like button.
lydia smith
How about the show?
tim pool
Do it for Michael's hat.
His hat is there to remind you to smash that like button.
And hop in the superchats, because around 9.30 or so we'll start taking questions and talking to everybody.
We do the show Monday through Friday, live at 8pm.
And let's just talk about this first story.
Let's jump right in.
Most of you have probably seen this, so I'll just give you some quick context.
The Atlantic.
Trump.
Americans who died in war are losers and suckers.
Now, for me, I just call complete BS because it's too cartoonishly evil.
of service members and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades,
multiple sources tell the Atlantic. Now for me, I just call complete BS because it's too
cartoonishly evil. Like the writers, whatever the smear is, they didn't do a good job of making
michael malice
something plausible. There's no possibility in my mind that a president wouldn't, or Trump
specifically, wouldn't want disabled veterans floating center because they're the best example
of look, they lost, this how much they sacrificed.
Take a picture with me.
I'm the commander in chief.
This is an opportunity for them to look great with the populace.
So that part, I think, is just absolutely ridiculous.
tim pool
Not only that, but didn't at the RNC they had a bunch of wounded vets stand?
michael malice
At the State of the Union he had that North Korean refugee who had his leg run over by a railroad and he stood up and held his crutch.
That was a very powerful image and Trump pointed him and applauded.
tim pool
This is cartoonishly evil.
michael malice
Well, as someone who's an actual comic book supervillain, there's been a comic written about me.
This is something that I kind of aspire to, in a sense.
But the Atlantic has been a very malignant organization and outlet for over a century at this point.
So a lot of people don't realize the history of the Atlantic.
Should I get into it now?
tim pool
Let's do one more paragraph.
So, they go on to say that Trump, in the first paragraph they say, Trump cancelled a visit to the Ayn Marn American Cemetery in Paris.
He blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying the helicopter couldn't fly.
They go on to say, neither claim was true.
Now, I gotta point out, Jason Leopold from BuzzFeed has the FOIA request from the Navy.
They've got numerous communications saying, the ceiling's too low, visibility's too low, we're not gonna be able to do this.
michael malice
And John Bolton, his memoir, also independently described this event, and John Bolton, his memoir, was out to, at the very least, not be flattering to Trump, and he describes the circumstance of this event exactly as President Trump later claimed the circumstances were.
So you have independent, like six months ago, three months ago, corroboration of Trump's version of the events.
And you would think, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you would think they would mention Bolton's version of it.
tim pool
Unless the intention was to be so cartoonishly bad, every conservative would be like, it's so obviously fake that it's, you know, they're dangling keys in front of a baby and the conservatives ran right to it and the narrative of the violent riots and all the chaos in the streets and the Antifa killer is gone.
michael malice
Yeah, there's an enormous wing of conservatism, which I have very mixed feelings about, whose entire modus operandi is freaking out over whatever it is the liberals are doing today.
And it does an enormous disservice because, you know, like you're saying, it's a very easy bait-and-switch.
Like, which of these two things are, in the grand scheme of things, a bigger issue?
That people are getting killed by the police, rightly or wrongly?
That chaos is descending, rightly or wrongly?
Or the president, two years ago, said a nasty Nasty comment.
tim pool
He said naughty words.
michael malice
In the context of this presidency where, I mean, the number of nasty comments that he said has been innumerable and will be in history books one day, hopefully.
tim pool
And this is probably, like, these are maybe actually not even the worst things he's ever said.
michael malice
Of course.
I mean, what they did very cleverly in this is that everyone very vividly remembers in 2015 when he was referring to John McCain.
I was on Gutfeld's show that day referring to John McCain's military service and he's like, eh, I like the ones who didn't get captured.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
And everyone thought, OK, this is the end of the Trump.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
Right.
But because of that, it planted the seed in a lot of people's minds that Trump would call a service member a loser.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
I mean, more than they hate making fun, tongue in cheek of military service, and it cost
him absolutely nothing other than perhaps an invite to John McCain's funeral.
tim pool
Right.
Right.
But because of that, it planted the seed in a lot of people's minds that Trump would call
a service member a loser.
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
Because it's plausible.
I mean, I don't—I would disagree a little bit.
I would say some people have heard the story where he called John McCain a loser and said other people weren't captured.
If they're not paying attention, they hear this, and a lot of them are probably like, I can't believe he would say—wow.
Like, I can't believe it in the sense that they believe it, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Right.
me I look at this and I'm like, oh come on man.
Everything, Trump has been campaigning since he got elected.
He got elected in 2016 and then he kept having rallies nonstop.
He's been in full campaign mode and like you mentioned, he's had wounded vets at his rallies.
This is cartoonishly, it's ridiculous.
But there's one more thing I want to point out and then we can hear about what's up with
this and what, you know, the Atlantic.
They mentioned that Trump said he didn't understand why the United States would intervene on the side of the allies, and that, you know, he asked, who were the good guys?
You know what I find wrong with that is, who were the good guys?
Us?
michael malice
No, no, but see, this is why I think that's something he could have said.
If he meant who were the good guys, Germany or England, or Italy or Germany, It was not a war of good versus evil.
It was a war of, like, kings versus shahs and versus kaisers.
It's like, why are we involved here?
And it's a question that has never been answered to our satisfaction to this day.
So yeah, that's a very fair question.
This isn't a clear-cut good guys versus bad guys.
This is, why are we there to begin with?
Because of the Atlantic.
tim pool
Because of the Atlantic?
michael malice
Because of the Atlantic, yes.
tim pool
Really?
So this whole story goes full circle?
unidentified
Yes!
michael malice
Let's go, let's do it.
tim pool
Bring on the history lesson.
michael malice
There's someone named Randolph Bourne, and Randolph Bourne is a very interesting, largely forgotten historical figure.
He was the first person who was a journalist who was handicapped, who talked about being handicapped.
This is something where handicapped people were invisible before, and he brought that to public attention.
He died in the Spanish flu epidemic of, I think it was 1918 or 1920.
Because of his disability, he was a dwarf and kind of misshapen.
His lung capacity wasn't what it could have been.
And he invented the term, war is the health of the state.
And what was happening during the Great War, remember Woodrow Wilson campaigned on, he kept us out of war.
The idea that we'd be involved in a war in Europe completely violated the Monroe Doctrine.
This had been something that had been the United States policy for 140 years.
George Washington in his farewell address, which was written by I'll go straight by Alexander Hamilton said avoid foreign entanglements.
So we're going to go to save like Serbia against Italy against the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
It made absolutely no sense on American principles.
How do you get Americans to change their minds?
Well, we all talk about in school about yellow journalism and William Randolph Hearst, the Spanish-American War, remember the main what they forget about is they act like somehow that changed.
Like, there's yellow journalism, and then we don't talk about it, and now everyone's objective.
It's been the same yellow journalism for a hundred years and more.
The bloodlust of the establishment, in which I include the corporate press, cannot be overstated.
And what happened with the Great War is, for the first time, all the lefties became, we need to get involved, we need to be the policemen of the world.
Wow.
uh... william jennings brian who had been three times previously the
democratic nominee who was a big left-wing populist he's the one who brought
like strong religion to politics
he was what you will send sector state he was a pacifist he resigned over this issue
well so you can't the thing is you cannot to this day
as president get people into war
unless the press prepares them for it yep even if you have a draft
so what happened is all these lefties all the sudden
had huge ideas about wait a minute if we get into world war one
that will give us an excuse to micromanage the economy from a to z it had been bubbling under
since the early nineteen hundreds and now we have an excuse
We can imagine what it would look like if America was like a factory centrally managed from D.C.
Randolph-Bourne was the only one.
Who said, John Dewey, Walter Lippman, they were all there.
John Dewey, Randolph Burns, the owner said, this is crazy.
This is not what progressivism is about.
We're not about going overseas to fight on behalf of kings.
What are you talking about?
And they started saying, well, he's a cripple.
You shouldn't listen to anything he has to say.
He's crippling body, he's crippling mind.
It was extremely offensive.
Same thing happened later with Helen Keller.
Helen Keller was a radical communist and they said, of course she doesn't know what she's talking about.
She's mentally disabled.
And she's like, I'm not mentally disabled.
I'm deaf, dumb and blind, but my mind is fine.
Like, yeah, okay there.
Go in the corner.
So this is a pattern with people on the left.
You're either with us or you're just someone who could be tossed in the garbage.
And the Atlantic was one of the big... Oh, and he became completely blacklisted.
So, of course, once he starts speaking out about getting us into World War I, which makes no sense, which really destroyed so much lives for what purpose?
He was blacklisted.
John Dewey wouldn't work with him.
John Dewey was like the big leftist intellectual at the time.
And they all signed on and sold their souls.
And that was the big... This is why Woodrow Wilson, I think, is universally among the correct people, regardless of where he is in present history.
tim pool
Among the correct people?
michael malice
Yeah.
This is when America became globalist.
And he was the second American president to leave America as president.
Teddy Roosevelt visited the Panama Canal.
He went to Europe.
The idea of a president leaving America, you would never think of it before, because the whole point of a president is to stay in your country.
Now every president's getting on jet every other weekend.
This was not the role of the president.
He's supposed to be here and hold the fort, and I use the term fort advisedly.
So the Atlantic Has a lot of explaining to do, which they never have had to do, for all their pro-war propaganda.
And here's where it gets even more evil.
Deborah Lepstadt did an amazing book called Beyond Belief.
And the premise of this book was about what the press was covering as Hitler rose to power in Germany.
Now, you didn't have the internet, you didn't have cell phones, you didn't have YouTube, anything like that.
So they're getting all these reports, And these reports of what Hitler and the Nazis were doing—you don't really have cameras even that much to that extent—seemed crazy and implausible.
And they pointed to all the war propaganda from World War I when they talked about how evil the Kaiser was.
This was a world where the Kaiser was the most evil human being on Earth.
And that was later proven to be false.
So they're like, listen, we heard this 20 years ago.
You guys lied about the Hun and how the Hun's killing people and raping everyone.
Oh, and now Hitler's here.
Now he's doing these things.
Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about.
And this is a major impediment in stopping Hitler's rise to power.
And you can lay the blame at agencies like the Atlantic, the New Republic, and all these other depraved and malfeasant outlets.
tim pool
This is actually a challenge right now with China.
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
So with what they're doing with the Uighur Muslims and all that, I've actually had people ask me,
yeah, but certainly you don't think war is, you know, is the answer and things like that. Well, not necessarily.
But we do have to recognize the things that they're doing, the videos we've seen, the
reports that are coming out of China are horrifying.
But what do we do?
And I think a lot of people are now in this kind of purgatory where, yeah, we've been lied to too much.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
The media's gung-ho.
Go war.
I think what trumps the first president in a long time, no new wars.
And so that's one of the things that made me kind of turn on, okay, when he tried to pull the troops out of
Afghanistan and bring our troops back.
And I've heard opinions from a lot of people, but there is a real challenge in when is war appropriate.
I would personally say, yeah, World War II was something we should... Hitler should have been stopped a long time ago.
It should have never gotten to that point.
I didn't know that about how the fake news essentially impeded, you know... This book, Beyond Belief, is just absolutely mind-boggling.
michael malice
It's just amazing because she very much defends the press in the sense that you can understand why they were so skeptical because they heard it all 20 years ago And this is Germany.
This is a civilized country.
They're going to be acting like they're going to be beating up old people in the street.
Okay, come on.
Let's have some perspective.
And it was true.
tim pool
The corporate press.
michael malice
Yes, the corporate press is the enemy of the people, and that is the moderate position.
You think so?
Yes!
I mean... They've been at it for over a hundred years and I wrote this piece for The Observer a couple years ago about Obama in the tan suit and I said it's very useful to have a president like Trump who's regarded as a buffoon because you have a president who's widely respected, you will smile and nod when he sends your kids to war, to die overseas for sometimes no reason.
There's an amazing traveling exhibit which I saw at UT Austin called The Great War Which is about World War one and I left it crying because you have all these letters from these kids 17 18.
Hey mom, we're in Brussels Everything's cool.
And the plaque is like he died next week for what for what the amount of car?
you know plastic surgery was invented as a result of World War one because of all the disfigurement because everyone came back disfigured like chopped up because it's the first time you had human bodies meeting with the Industrial Revolution that created these machines It was just absolutely horrific what was done to all these kids.
The amount of bloodlust that was at Ypres Field.
And there's just one more thing.
There's a very, very beautiful, very, very evil poem which they love in Canada called In Flanders Fields.
And the point of this poem, if you could pull it up, it's pretty short, is it's speaking from the voices of the dead.
And it's saying, we're lying here where the poppies grow.
Are you going to let us die in vain?
Come over and join us.
So the idea is like, you're not going to let all these people who died die for no reason.
You have to die also because otherwise our deaths were pointless.
It's so sinister when you sit down and think about it.
And there was a principle at the time that to be a real man, You know you had to join and fight for war and this was a time when all the Ivy Leagues like these men were the first ones to sign up and now we look back at it and it's just like this is kind of crazy how it was glorified that it's a great idea you know you to be a real man you got a call to war even if after the fact you're like what was this about?
tim pool
You know what?
michael malice
Who were the good guys?
tim pool
I don't know if I would believe that Trump as a president would be saying things like that.
michael malice
I agree with you.
You're right.
tim pool
So the story to me comes off as absurd, but I do think it's fair to say one thing that we're educated about relentlessly, World War II.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
When it comes to World War I, Yeah.
michael malice
It's forgotten.
tim pool
I actually remember when I was in school and we read a little bit about it, but it was passed over almost immediately for World War II.
And it's almost like World War I is used in the context of what led to World War II.
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
Like the Germans were upset about the debt and they felt, you know, they wanted retaliation and things like that.
But we're not taught the history of all... There really is an overemphasis on World War II for sure, and I think there's good reason for it.
michael malice
That's an easy story to tell.
That is good versus evil.
Or good and evil versus evil, because Stalin's on our side.
tim pool
But they don't teach us, necessarily.
We don't get it hammered into us by our culture about how bad Stalin was.
michael malice
And we also don't get hammered into, like, a lot of... The government and the press lied and manipulated us into a war which, a hundred years later, we can't explain why we were in, which led to the normalization of the idea of totalitarianism on American shores.
And here's the other thing.
Woodrow Wilson... There's a concept I call evangelical progressivism.
I talk about this in my book that you write very heavily.
And the premise is there's different kinds of leftism.
It's not a monolith.
And there's this evangelical strain, it's a fundamentalist faith.
And Woodrow Wilson came out of that school, which extends very much to this day.
And the idea of, it was something called the Social Gospel.
And the Social Gospel is a very twisted idea.
And it says, you don't take the Christian idea of saving an individual's soul.
You can save an entire nation, right?
A nation has a spirit that has to be redeemed.
Now, if you are going to redeem the spirit of an entire nation, that means everything in your life is on the table.
bedroom, the boardroom, on the street, everything is a vehicle for sin and everything is there
for up to discussion.
And he talked in literally messianic terms about how it's America's God, he's an extremely
religious man, America's role to save the world.
And when you have that trickle down a hundred years later, it's like whenever there's anything
going on, it's our responsibility, even if we really can't do anything about it.
And everyone listening to this remembers not that long ago, if we weren't in Syria, all
the Kurds would be killed.
It was another Holocaust.
And no one who said that has had any accountability for their lies in trying to get Americans to be overseas, dying in a war where it's not very clear who the good guys are again.
tim pool
But we've had strong glimpses, like, I shouldn't even say glimpse, we've been smacked in the face with this when the New York Times lied about WMDs in Iraq.
michael malice
Oh yes, of course.
tim pool
And now there are kids who are, you know, preparing, I don't know if, what do they say, they're kids?
michael malice
Wait, I've got to interrupt you.
Not just WMDs, that he's about to fire them.
It wasn't that he had them, it's that he's about to use them.
Iran is about to nuke Israel now for 20 years.
Any minute now.
We laugh, but this has extremely...
tim pool
So, going back a little bit to the fact that the Atlantic's goal was to shift the cycle to benefit Trump, one of the questions he got asked, Joe Biden, was something like, are you concerned that peace agreements in the Middle East with Israel will destabilize Palestinians' efforts for a two-state solution or something?
And I'm like, are you literally trying to undermine peace agreements in the Middle East?
michael malice
They are.
tim pool
Absolutely.
michael malice
Of course they are.
tim pool
They're warmongers.
michael malice
Yes, they cannot.
Their bloodlust cannot be overstated.
And I got to cut Joe Biden some slack because he did fight in World War One.
So, you know, it's a little different for him.
He remembers it when it was just Palestine.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think you mentioned Syria.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, we're still in Afghanistan.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
We still have a small... It's not the biggest presence, you know, compared to where it was, I believe.
michael malice
Why are we in Germany?
tim pool
I mean, did we ever leave?
michael malice
We never left!
tim pool
Yeah.
michael malice
It's mind-boggling.
tim pool
Are we still occupying Germany?
Yes!
So I was watching this movie, The Resistance Banker.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
And I mentioned it several times now.
It was a good movie.
It's about this Dutch guy.
His name was Van Holl.
I forgot.
William Van Holl, I think.
I'm not sure.
But he helped fund the resistance against the Nazis in the Netherlands.
It's an amazing story about how he did this scheme to, like, they backed up money for people.
Once the government, which was in exile, came back, they'd pay back people this money.
And, uh, I totally forgot where I was going with that, because I started thinking about this movie and being cool and, like, fighting against the Nazis.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, so I'm watching this, and I'm reading Wikipedia about World War II and stuff, and it's like, what happened at the end of World War II?
The Allies occupied part of Germany, then the Soviets occupied East Germany, and then I was like, oh, okay, and then I read about, like, you know, the Berlin Wall fell, and I'm like, and when did we leave Germany?
We didn't!
michael malice
There's a great book called 1946, which is about what happens in World War II ends and Europe is a complete wasteland and how they rebuilt.
And there's one story which no one talks about because it's weird.
It doesn't fit the good guy, bad guy thing, which is the Czechs in Czechoslovakia.
They took all the Germans or people of German descent, even people who lived there for 100 years, put a sign on their back that says German and made them walk.
Wait, what?
tim pool
Really?
michael malice
Yes, they walked them to get the F out of Czechoslovakia and they walked to the border.
Many died along the way.
It was a trail of tears.
tim pool
They were Germans?
michael malice
Yes, any Germans in Czechoslovakia, get the F out.
unidentified
Wow.
michael malice
Yeah, and a lot of them died.
And they were like, I've never been to Germany.
I don't care.
You can stay where you want.
You can't stay here.
unidentified
Wow.
michael malice
Yeah, but you know what?
In one sense, it's like in 40 years you guys have decimated this continent.
Like, we have had enough of you people.
And you're blaming the Jews for all this, too?
You people are just horrible.
tim pool
But that's racist, isn't it?
michael malice
Is German a race?
tim pool
I don't know.
Ethnicist?
Like, those German people didn't do anything.
michael malice
They did not.
No, no, they certainly did not.
tim pool
They're just like regular people.
michael malice
And many of them certainly left Germany because they're like, I don't want to be around this.
tim pool
Wow, man, that's brutal.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
That's crazy.
michael malice
Everyone will always tell you that Europeans are much more moral than us and we should aspire to be like Europe.
Every five minutes you hear this.
tim pool
So it seems like the goal... I wonder if Trump not starting a new war is part of the reason why they hate him.
michael malice
I think that he's... It's not only that he's not starting a new war, we told you.
We told you you have to start a new war.
We told you if you don't do this, it's genocide, and you're waving your hand?
No, no, no, no.
That's not how this works.
What works is we tell you where there's a problem, And you as President, as Commander-in-Chief, send the troops there and fix the problem.
This has been the deal for over a hundred years.
What are you doing, Orange Man Bad?
tim pool
So do you know that story about the chimps in the study with the ladder and the fruit or whatever?
michael malice
No.
tim pool
So it's like they put five chimps in this room and then they put like a stepladder or like a tall ladder and they put fruit on top.
And then anytime a chimp would climb the stepladder, they'd spray him with a hose.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
All of the chimps.
All the chimps would get sprayed.
And so then eventually, when a chimp would try climbing the ladder, the other chimps would grab him and beat him up, like, you're gonna get us sprayed with the hose, don't do it.
Then they took one chimp out and put in a new chimp.
That chimp, that never got sprayed with the hose before.
But when that chimp climbs up, the other chimps beat him up.
One by one, they swap out all the chimps, never using the hose.
michael malice
Culture, yeah.
tim pool
And then the chimps just kept beating anybody who went near the ladder, not knowing what the real ramification, you know, what was the punishment.
I wonder if that's why there's this war machine.
It's just the way it's always been.
The people who started the process of just non-stop international war and conflict, well, they're dead.
It's been a long time.
And so now their grandkids are the ones being like, but we have to go to war.
michael malice
I don't think it's just a question of principle for them.
I think it's a question of status.
It's a question of wealth.
It's a question of power.
If I'm the guy who decides who lives and dies and can conquer the fates of entire countries, that feels pretty good to me.
And then you have this moron in the White House.
Who does he think he is?
We're like, this has been the process and now you're coming in and turning over the apple cart.
That's not how the rules work, buddy.
Go back to New York.
tim pool
Well, so let's expand this into... I mean, these people make a lot of money.
Oh, definitely.
michael malice
And I think there's also a very sadistic thrill in knowing that you're responsible for sending so many people to their deaths.
tim pool
But if the U.S.
wasn't doing it, who would be?
There would be someone in, you know, the Soviets.
They were doing these expeditions in other places.
China's doing it now.
michael malice
I don't think it's a given that there would be this kind of one world power that has its fingers in every pot.
I mean, if you look at, let's suppose, Kuwait, right?
That was much more of a multinational operation.
You had the US, you had Britain, but basically everyone was on the same page on that.
It's not implausible that you would have this kind of coalition that would kind of make sure that borders are enforced because it's useful for the powerful to maintain the status quo.
It's like gang warfare.
This is my turf.
This is your turf.
We shake hands.
The problem is when you have actors in bad faith like China, like what happened with Hong Kong, and that is something that all of us as Americans should be far more disturbed about than COVID because they're going to push the envelope until they get pushed back.
And why wouldn't they?
tim pool
Well, so if the U.S.
So here's the arguments that I've heard, right?
If we leave Afghanistan, there's two big problems.
A humanitarian crisis.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
This is what Sean Parnell was saying.
And I think it's true.
He says all these people that helped us or are sympathized, they're going to be dead.
Just they're going to go and kill all these people.
And we can't.
What do we do?
We don't just leave these people to die.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
And I'm like, that is it.
That is it.
That's a serious challenge.
Although I think we've kind of created this mess for ourselves.
We've got to find a way out.
The other issue is China moves in.
Yeah.
Now that there's a power vacuum, they can come in, they can take control of the territory and use it for strategic purposes or for resources.
And then China's already pushing into other parts of the world, South America, Africa.
Are you familiar with what they were trying to do with the Nicaraguan Canal?
michael malice
No, I know they're pulling out of Africa to some extent, but please educate me.
tim pool
So this was several years ago.
I believe the project fell through, but we essentially control the Panama Canal, which is very, very powerful.
They wanted to just rip through Nicaragua And that's massive.
That's not Panama.
michael malice
Panama's like... That's by design.
They picked it for a reason, because it's the shortest one, yeah.
tim pool
So they worked all these deals, and it would have apparently destroyed this massive freshwater aquifer and decimated a lot of local population.
Ultimately it fell through, but they were moving towards this.
The ultimate goal being, they want to supplant us.
They want to... They're pushing us out.
And then the fear I have is, yeah, man, I hate these foreign, you know, excursions or whatever you want to call them.
The U.S.
likes to hop around.
You know, the Syria thing, there's a lot of, I guess I could call it speculation, because I'm not a Middle Eastern policy expert, but like the Qatar-Turkey pipeline.
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
You're familiar with this?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
They're trying to build a natural gas pipeline up through Syria, through Turkey, into Europe to essentially, correct me if I'm wrong, offset the Gazprom gas monopoly in Europe.
So this leads to war, all these conflicts.
So I'm not a fan of us being like, we should get cheaper gas in Europe, and Russia's, you know, strangling us on this, so we want Syria to bend the knee to us, and then Syria says no, and then, oh, lucky for us, there's an uprising, and the US is on the side of the people who oppose this.
All that being said...
What do we do if China is gaining territory and moving around and doing the things they're doing?
They're quite literally running concentration camps.
michael malice
Yeah, I mean, listen, I wrote the book on North Korea, so I am not at all a fan of the Chinese government and the North Korean government.
This is something that's, you know, my wheelhouse, and I've been, you know, warning about this for many years, and thankfully the audiences have been extremely receptive to hearing this story.
Honestly, what I would say, if the corporate press wasn't as depraved as it is, it would be very easy, or moderately easy, to get us to side with Russia against China.
tim pool
Oh yeah!
michael malice
It would!
There's been a very long history, decades long, of rivalry between Russia and China, between Mao and all the Russian leaders.
If we were combined against them, it would be pretty much unstoppable.
But because the corporate press has made Putin, for no reason that's ever been explained, to be the worst dictator on earth, this has now become radioactive.
And if Trump made moves to strengthen his relationship with Russia, which would benefit a lot of people, if Russia and the U.S.
were teamed up in the Middle East, That would solve a lot of problems, because we could, between us, could sit a lot of these countries down, the more moderate ones, and be like, look, we're locking you guys in a room, figure it out, you know, and they bang on the door till it'll let out, but it happened with UAE, and this could be the first domino.
tim pool
You invite them to the rec center.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And then once they all come in, they realize both sides are there, but then you lock the doors.
michael malice
Exactly.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think I know why Russia is the bad guy.
michael malice
Why?
tim pool
Because the U.S.
is cutting deals with China.
And not the U.S., but these politicians.
michael malice
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
For decades now, our manufacturing has been extracted.
michael malice
And we can thank Nixon for this.
tim pool
What did Nixon do?
michael malice
I mean, Nixon went to China and normalized relations.
He raised the glass to Chairman Mao in a toast that was written by Pat Buchanan.
tim pool
Geez, really?
michael malice
Yes, yes.
And the thing is, what people don't appreciate, this is what I hate, binary thinkers in politics.
You know, they think if I want right-wing ideas, I'm going to vote right-wing, and if I want left-wing ideas, I vote left-wing.
Bill Clinton gave abandon gay marriage in a balanced budget.
A lot of times, because there's no one to a person's left to criticize them, they're in a position to implement right-wing ideas and vice versa.
Richard Nixon, who cut his teeth running against Helen Douglas, I think was her name, was for the Senate, and called her a commie, which in some way she probably was.
No one's going to say Richard Nixon's too pro-communist, so that gave him cover as president to go to China.
I mean, Mao is the biggest butcher in history without question, and raise a glass and like, oh, we're friends now, and who's going to say he's not hard enough on communism?
So this is something that a lot of times politics is very counterintuitive, but there's a very big incentive for both political parties to make it seem like it's This is left, this is right.
If you want right, vote right.
If you want left, vote left.
And that's not how it ends up.
Look at the spending this year.
There's been no voices saying, what if it's just maybe 10% less?
No one.
tim pool
Well, Trump has really broken the left and the right of whatever it's supposed to be.
michael malice
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
You know what I think?
That the way I view politics right now, and one of the reasons why, aside from the riots and the chaos, I'm like, you know what, man, I'm voting for Trump.
And there's a lot of reasons.
Number one is the cult of intersectionality.
Identitarianism on the left is like nightmarishly expansive.
It's just getting worse.
michael malice
It's Maoism.
There were struggle sessions.
Those are literal struggle sessions.
tim pool
My fear is they want to rewind the clock on civil rights.
Like, I'm not even kidding.
They were appealing Prop 209 in California, which is their public civil rights law.
They're like, we're getting rid of this one!
And that's crazy to me.
But one of the big deals, particularly, is Trump trying to remove our troops.
He tried doing it in Syria.
It's not worked out too well.
I remember when he fired those Tomahawks at Syria, the 59 Tomahawk missiles, and I was laughing, like, yeah, of course, here we go again.
It's what presidents do.
It's a big game.
And then all of a sudden the media was like, hmm, oh, is Trump being presidential now?
michael malice
The first step, of course, we remember this very well, is the first time he was being presidential is when he's bombing another country.
It's so... But once you know that that's what they believe, it's very disturbing, because you see it all the time.
tim pool
So Trump is not a Republican.
He's not a Republican the way I remember Republicans growing up.
These Christian, moral, Mitt Romney types.
So I view Trump as... He's kind of like to me... But I got interrupted, Tim.
michael malice
That's a myth.
The only Christian Mitt Romney type was Jimmy Carter, who is a Democrat.
Reagan was divorced.
Uh, George H.W.
Bush was- Oh, no, no, no, right.
But there were- None of- The thing is, that's the image, but none of them were really there.
tim pool
That's not- I don't necessarily mean- I'm giving a caricature.
michael malice
Okay, sure.
tim pool
I don't- Obviously, I don't think all the Republicans were like, you know, hoity-toity Christian, uptight.
I think it was like, you know, when I was growing up, the Republicans were very moral authoritarian.
michael malice
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And so now that's kind of drifted away, and we're seeing a more, like, Republicans are becoming a bit more libertarian.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
And they're kind of, you know, less about imposing their morals on other people, whereas the left is doing all of that now.
michael malice
Each party is libertarian when they're in the defensive, and then when they get in power, they become authoritarian, because now they're in a position to do what they want.
tim pool
Well, I don't think Trump is whatever that establishment party was.
michael malice
I agree.
tim pool
And I think they're mad.
We're seeing all these Republicans resign, retire, you know, not resign.
michael malice
Not John Kasich!
Please come back, John!
tim pool
And now they're all endorsing Biden.
You know why I see what it is?
Or the way I see it?
Both parties were like, You know that Futurama episode?
You watch Futurama?
michael malice
Of course.
tim pool
Where Jack Johnson and John Jackson are the presidents?
Yeah, of course.
michael malice
Or don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
tim pool
The Futurama joke is, I think your tax proposal goes too far.
I think your tax proposal doesn't go too far enough.
You don't even know what they're talking about.
So I remember I posted this meme a long time ago on Facebook.
It got a ton of shares.
It's an image of a guy sitting on a couch with his girlfriend, and she's got his arm around him, and then his arm is behind the couch holding the hands of a different woman.
And so I put, you know, Democrats, Republicans, you, and you're on your party, like, loving them, and they're secretly working together.
Of course.
The Republican establishment and the Democratic establishment were in agreement on war and
this intervention and all of these things.
And then Trump comes in and it's kind of wild and all over the place.
Now he's sort of, no new wars, trying to pull our troops out.
It's a part of his second term agenda.
He actually tried to do it.
And now they're going nuts.
And they've been going nuts the whole time, for sure.
michael malice
Here's the other thing.
If you were wrong by your own admission about the biggest foreign policy decision in the last 30 years, which was the Iraq war.
If this is, by your own words, this was a mistake.
Mistake means like, oh, Tim, I was supposed to pay you back.
I forgot the money.
Oops, buddy.
You never said that, or I'm late.
It's not, I'm responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.
Let's even pretend Iraqi lives don't matter, which a lot of times people actually do, and how many soldiers.
If that's the case, if your judgment is that flawed, you're not in a position to try to be commander-in-chief.
You would have actual guilt and be like, what have I done?
Like you and I both know people who had their finger in leading up to the Iraq war and who look back at that and they're still filled with enormous guilt as well they should be.
If you thought of this as a mistake, if you had your hand in the Iraq war and you think of it a mistake in the same way you and I and many other people think a mistake, you're not running for president.
You're going to therapy because you're like, how can I sleep at night where because of my vote so many people lost their kid?
tim pool
I don't think they care.
michael malice
Right.
They don't care.
But what I'm saying is if it really was a mistake, a sane person would be like, oh my god, what have I done?
tim pool
So what do you think about Trump?
michael malice
I mean, I could go on for hours.
Let's be more specific.
tim pool
In this context, do you think Trump is trying to do right by America?
michael malice
I think in this context, Trump has been very consistent in being anti-war.
I think they, the corporate press and the cathedral always like to portray themselves as sophisticated, right?
Oh, you don't understand.
You watch your Big Bang Theory and Peoria.
We read the New Yorker and we watch, listen to NPR.
We're sophisticated.
And obviously, you know, the arguments for war are often complex, although they're dishonest.
And it's like, wait a minute, this idiot is saying, what's the point of going to war?
Can someone sit him down and explain it?
Because I sure can't.
Yeah, you can't because you're a liar, because there isn't a reason.
So the fact that he has this very basic aversion to war, the fact that he's like, explain to me why we have to be everywhere on Earth.
My friend had this idea, and I think this would be brilliant.
If the Commander-in-Chief, you know, Halloween, October 15th, says, you know what?
These troops should be spending Christmas with their families.
I'm pulling them from all over the world, and they can vote, by the way, and let the press freak out, like, oh my god, it's going to stabilize the world, and let all these Americans be like, that is how patriots operate, and this would be an enormous boon for him, and it would drop their mask even further for their malfeasance and depravity.
tim pool
Let them justify why they're in these places.
michael malice
Yeah, why are we in Germany?
tim pool
Yeah.
The hell are you talking about? It was so funny when that happened because, you know, Trump talked
about getting our troops out of Afghanistan and Germany and the intercept. I'm like, you know,
this is what's crazy to me. Why aren't they more in favor of Trump take the win when you can take
it? Yeah. If you are adamant about getting our troops back and you're willing to criticize
Democrats and Republicans for blocking Trump from doing so, then maybe you shouldn't jump on all of
the insane corporate press smears of the president to make money.
michael malice
Do you remember that when we assassinated General Soleimani, that was going to be World War III?
unidentified
Yeah, I remember that.
michael malice
That was a given.
He was their, you know, George Washington.
I can't believe he killed this guy.
What have we done?
They're going to nuke Israel.
They're not going to back down.
But then they back down.
No one who said that we would have these disastrous consequences has paid any price for their at least this confusion, let alone lies.
tim pool
You know, that's why Russia needs to be the specter.
If we pull our troops out of Germany, Russia will move in.
Russia's not going to invade Germany.
michael malice
Can you imagine if Russia invaded Germany?
tim pool
That's ridiculous.
Now, Russia did invade Crimea.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
You know, we can talk about that, but we didn't do anything then.
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
And that was a long time ago.
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
So ultimately, I ask you the question about Trump in kind of the terms of I don't know how you... Would you vote for Trump?
michael malice
I don't believe in voting, no.
I'm an anarchist, no.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Well, I guess how do I ask you that question, then?
What do you think of his job?
Do you think he's done a good job?
michael malice
I think what he's best at is getting them to drop their mask.
And I think what he's best at is something I'm very big and heavily in favor of is eliminating political discourse and having this idea, this boomer-con fantasy that everyone's going to sit down and it's going to be Reagan and Tip O'Neill and we're going to just shake our hands and come to a compromise.
When the parties work together, America gets screwed.
It is very, very useful for them to despise each other in real life.
A lot of times they despise each other for fake, like in wrestling.
I'm old enough to remember when people found out that Hacksaw Jim Duggan and The Iron Sheik were in a car together and they got arrested.
He's a bad guy, he's a good guy.
This is unconscionable.
This changed everything.
You mean Kamala isn't really a cannibal from Africa who eats chickens?
It blew everyone's mind.
And a lot of that is fake, and for the cameras.
Lindsey Graham is a great example.
He was losing his mind by Kavanaugh.
Where have been the Julie Swetnick summons?
Where have been the counter-bill people who lied, called him a gang rapist?
tim pool
That's why I don't like any of these people.
michael malice
Right, exactly.
So they put on a good show, and whatever.
But he is, I think, showing a lot of people that there's large segments of the left who want you dead, but will settle for your submission.
And it's become... The fact that you would have... Let's go back to The Atlantic.
If I were, as an entity, responsible for getting us into the Great War and felt some remorse about this century-old mistake, nowadays I'd be like, you know what?
This is our background.
I'm gonna err on the side of caution and err on the side of non-interventionism because I got a lot of explaining to do and a lot of making effort.
But they don't.
Because they are proud of their depravity.
tim pool
Well, I think they're proud of World War II.
michael malice
Oh sure, but that wasn't the Atlantic.
World War I was largely... No, I mean, you get an example... But they couldn't get us into World War II.
It took the Japanese.
tim pool
Right.
But I think after World War II, they can justify, you see, here's what happened.
And there's a legitimate question about how do we deal with China?
michael malice
I have no good answers.
I don't think there are any good answers on the table.
They're not a paper tiger.
They're enormously powerful.
They're incredibly vindictive.
They do not value human life.
And when you have a billion people, you don't value human life.
Things get very, very tricky very quickly.
tim pool
I hear a lot of people say that China is a paper tiger.
And I'm like, that's, as far as I'm concerned, irrelevant because they have economic power.
They can buy the, you know, the rock lobster or whatever.
michael malice
They've got a huge military.
And the thing is, they're also in a position to do, they've got nukes.
I mean, a paper tiger or not, and these people are, it's very important for them not to lose face in the public eye.
unidentified
So these are very dangerous stakes.
tim pool
One of the things I've pointed out, we were talking a little bit about this before the show.
There's a lot of things that have happened because of COVID and the riots that have benefited us if it comes to war.
Notably that our cities are decentralized, our economy is becoming remote workers, making it very hard to destabilize.
and people are armed to the teeth. We've gotten rid of non-essential jobs and a lot of the jobs
that are coming back first are the ones that are, for the most part, more essential than others.
And some jobs have permanently closed that weren't as essential, which means a lot of people are now
going to be seeking out work that will be more in line with essential activities. These things
together, that's going to help us out a lot if it comes to war.
And there's been, uh, there's something I often refer to called Thucydides' Trap.
This has just been referenced in the media over and over again.
Have you familiar with it?
michael malice
Is that the one with the boat?
tim pool
Thucydides' Trap?
michael malice
No.
tim pool
It's the, it's, it's, I don't know the exact reference of why it is, you know, named this, but the general idea is when a rising economic power approaches the dominant power, war breaks out.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
And it's like, I think the Atlantic did a story saying out of the past 500 years, there have been 16 moments and 12 of them resulted in war.
So, one of the arguments I hear from the people who are pro, like, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, you're familiar with the trade deals, was that it would prevent war from breaking out by creating strong economic ties between the two countries.
Send all our factories over to China, we can't go to war with them, they'll rise and become the dominant superpower, but who cares, we're all rich.
michael malice
Oh, that's very disturbing.
I mean, who cares?
tim pool
That's one of the arguments.
michael malice
Who cares if the Chinese... oh my god, that's horrifying.
tim pool
That's what scares me.
michael malice
was I mean I'm gonna get all Christian but what value is the price of money if
it cost of your soul I mean this that's what scares me that's a depraved nation
tim pool
well so state I'm the government I right but the people there are people who
genuinely argue war is bad we don't want death and if we have these trade lines
and China, it will disincentivize war because people would lose money because of it.
michael malice
But we still get death because when you have a totalitarian regime, the oppression and the amount of people killed, it's my God.
tim pool
And if they take over.
michael malice
Yes, of course.
tim pool
So Bernie and Trump oppose TPP.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
Now Bernie, he sold out to the DNC as soon as he could.
michael malice
Of course.
tim pool
You know he doesn't say millionaires anymore.
michael malice
Is that right?
Right, it's just billionaires.
tim pool
You say millionaires and billionaires, now it's just billionaires because he's a millionaire.
I'm assuming that's the reason.
But he's totally in line, endorsed them every step of the way, but Trump is very much, he
shut it down, he shut down NAFTA.
And it seems like whether Trump has the ability to do so or not, whether he's sporadic or
not, he does want to help this country.
michael malice
There's also an example in American shores, which is Alexander Hamilton's brilliant idea
was to have a national bank and nationalize the debt because he said this would be a great
blessing because when you have the debt of 13 states in your round, you can't unwind it.
So it's going to be a country, whereas if you had 13 states, 13 currencies, it's very easy to separate apart.
To the point where Jefferson, who was like a huge enemy of this, he's like, this is unconstitutional.
He backed up having the National Bank as president.
And what that led to, 70 years later, was a civil war.
This idea that economic entanglements are going to be a guarantee against war.
Maybe against war, but it's sure not going to be a guarantee against conflict.
And we saw it, thankfully, the other peaceful way with Brexit, where they voted for Brexit, but then implementing it took two years because no one could negotiate the terms of divorce successfully.
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
I mean, it was... I think it was more than that.
michael malice
It was... Yeah, it was an extended period of time.
tim pool
It felt like a betrayal from the politicians, from Parliament.
michael malice
Theresa May is just... I'm really happy that she's going to go down in history as one of the worst politicians in history.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Oh yeah, of course.
Yeah, yeah, yes.
what is it, December 13th, 2019 in the UK?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
No, what would you- Insane landslide victory for the conservatives.
michael malice
Oh yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, yes.
tim pool
You think that's coming here?
No.
michael malice
You don't think so?
No, I don't think so.
tim pool
Like the House flipping Republican, Senate going, you know, maintaining-
michael malice
No, I don't, I mean, it's very different with the Parliament, because basically the Parliament
is the equivalent of our House of Representatives, right?
And you had Jeremy Corbyn, which people don't appreciate to what extent Jeremy Corbyn is a despicable evil person who validated enormous anti-Semitism and radicalism.
He was like a Stalinist, right?
Joe Biden, it's very hard to hate him.
In terms of politics, he's not a bad person.
He might be an idiot or an ass or many things.
It's very hard to make the case this guy is a radical.
My favorite Joe Biden is Angry Old Man Joe Biden.
There was a... Look fat, Joe Biden?
No, an activist!
An activist got in his face and said, you need open borders.
Biden turned his back and said, go vote for Trump.
Go vote for Trump.
Like, stuff like that.
I mean, he's much more old school.
I mean, the guy's been in the Senate since Nixon.
So, he put a lot of black people in jail.
Yeah, he got Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court to some extent.
I mean, he didn't fight it, or whatever his role was in that.
So, he has a rec... I mean, he's talking the nonsensical talk now.
Just yesterday, he was claiming that a black person invented the lightbulb.
This is just pure out of... Is that what he said?
Yes.
This is pure out of this kind of revisionist history, where, you know, population is the most oppressed in history, but also the greatest inventor simultaneously, somehow.
But this has been common parlance with this kind of Howard Zinn, far lefty, and Joe Biden just, you know, being a good politician and talking the talk.
But it's going to be very hard to compare him to Jeremy Corbyn because Jeremy Corbyn, I don't think we have any American analog in terms of how, what a nasty person he is and how uncharismatic and how radical his ideas were.
tim pool
I have a bold, I don't want to call it a prediction, but I just, you know, I have ideas sometimes.
And I imagine a future.
I like to look at everything that's going on, the variables, and then try and think as far ahead as possible.
The issue with predicting too far ahead is that the more variables you throw into the mix, the greater number of futures you can perceive of.
But I envision there's a possible future in which Donald Trump wins.
There is some semblance of unity among individuals in rejection of this far-left insanity.
Regular people are scared.
They can't speak up their own opinions.
That was the Cato Institute.
Most people do not hold these views.
It's somewhere between 8 and 10 percent according to a lot of these polls, these far-progressive views.
And people hate cancel culture.
So there's a lot of people who are secretly not speaking up.
I envision a future where We actually come together, in a sense.
Trump wins, shocking the nation, and ultimately we do end up in a war with China, and all of these things that have happened from the riots end up becoming an afterthought.
We've got decentralized—we've decentralized our economy, remote workers working in the mountains off of— Where would the war take place?
That's a good question.
Pacific, international, the South China Sea.
michael malice
Like Guam?
Like we're just fighting on Guam?
tim pool
Potentially.
Well, the South China Sea, the atolls, a lot of the conflict would happen there.
But I imagine that depending on who gets dragged into it and to what degree this erupts, first and foremost, I would say this is wild speculation looking far into the future.
But most of the conflict we've seen so far has been in the South China Sea.
With China, they've been accused of sinking Vietnamese fishing boats.
You know they've been doing beaching drills.
michael malice
No, I'm not familiar with this.
tim pool
Yeah, so like landing boats on the beach and running in.
And a lot of people think it's because they want to invade Taiwan.
They want to seize control.
And that could be a catalyst for, you know, whatever this Thucydides war would end up becoming between the U.S.
But we have all of these inadvertent things that have happened because of the riots that actually would help us out if we went to war.
michael malice
Here's, I think, I don't know that I have anything of interest to add to what you're saying.
I don't think that's remotely an impossibility.
My big question, I'm wondering, Hold on.
is who is more likely to have the riots end when they become if they win the
election you can easily make the argument why we trump is now he's
an efficient center tanks he's just got the validation
but you could easily see be by then because i could say we have an adult in
the room now lol hold on tanks yes i sent a i'm using a metaphorically
but just basically a lot of our daughter and i have national government
tim pool
something actually not Well, no, he's doing something smarter.
michael malice
Oh, he's being smart now.
I'm just saying in terms of November, like there's two scenarios and I can make the case for either would be the one better to stop the riots from happening.
tim pool
Trump, the feds have deputized Oregon State Police.
Did you hear this?
michael malice
No, I've not.
tim pool
Now an arrest from an Oregon State trooper of these riders goes to the feds, not to the local DA.
michael malice
Oh, that's so smart.
tim pool
Exactly.
Trump nailed it.
Nail, you know, with a hammer.
michael malice
While keeping his hands clean.
tim pool
Yup.
So a lot of people have been saying, insurrection act, insurrection act.
And I'm like, man, I don't know.
They'll use it against them.
michael malice
Of course.
He's Hitler.
He's an authoritarian.
tim pool
But not just that.
Could you imagine the troops coming in and then the local government saying, get out.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
We're being occupied.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
So, so the DHS deputizes, the feds deputize the Oregon State Police.
It's a local affair.
But if the state police, when they arrest them, the feds prosecute.
The problem was the state police retreated out of Portland because every arrest they made, the DA would be like, you're free to go.
Charges dropped.
So, Trump has figured out a way to deal with the riots.
Well, there you go.
michael malice
What I thought he did brilliantly was when he called out the mayor of Portland and he said, you know what?
Call me.
We'll solve this so easily, you wouldn't even believe it.
Because that tells everyone they're either comfortable with this or unable to stop it.
And he's like, the offer's on the table.
Ball's in your court, Mr. Mayor.
I'm respecting your authority.
And it's really the smart... Lori Lightfoot, this genius mayor of Chicago, she said, well, the riots are happening because we don't have gun control.
Lady, you haven't had gun control in 2018, 2019, 2017.
Now all of a sudden it's causing rioting?
How is not having gun control causing rioting?
It's amazing what straws they'll grasp to try to create some kind of reason for why things are happening because these things shouldn't be happening.
tim pool
How do these people keep getting elected?
Like, why has Chicago been Democrat for, what, 80 years?
michael malice
Well, I think there's a lot of dynamics in cities where people just culturally are going to end up voting for the same thing over and over and just expecting... It's unconscionable.
You're not going to vote for a Republican.
And the Republicans aren't going to waste their time because you're still going to have that city council.
tim pool
This is why I don't vote.
I am going to be voting in November, though.
And the surge of intersectionality has freaked me out to the point where I'm like, I'll be completely honest, Trump trying to withdraw the troops from Afghanistan, I'm like, you know what, I'll take what I can get.
michael malice
There's two things that are going to fight this cult, which I think are going to be very useful.
One is the more radical solution, which I've introduced.
The kind of thing is, what the left does very well is they throw out the completely crazy version, they settle for like three quarters, defund the police.
It's like, oh my god, it's crazy.
Okay, how about you give us A, B, and C?
Sure, but as long as we don't have to defund the police.
I think we should nationalize all university endowments, which are the crystallization of privilege.
There's nothing more privileged than having a fancy Ivy League degree, and use that money for reparations.
tim pool
Have you been following a Will Chamberlain on Twitter?
michael malice
Will Chamberlain got that idea from me.
unidentified
Oh, did he?
tim pool
He stole your idea!
michael malice
He didn't steal it, he credits me!
Will Chamberlain's my buddy, head of human events, that's my idea.
tim pool
Seize the endowments.
michael malice
Yes, seize the endowments.
The other thing that can happen in the short term, especially with startups, is when you see someone coming from an Ivy League, you should look at that person with the same stigma as someone who was gay in the 1950s.
This person is security risk.
You're inviting something in your company that you might not want.
tim pool
But that was wrong.
michael malice
Sure, but now it's right.
tim pool
Well, the SJW stuff.
michael malice
Yeah, but now it's right to be discriminatory, be like, odds are this person has been trained to be a member of the social justice warrior militia.
Look what happened to Papa John's.
Papa John's was quoting someone.
tim pool
Disparaging them.
michael malice
Yes, he's saying, don't talk like this person who said this, that's terrible, you're fired.
tim pool
He said, can you believe that this guy said that n-word and got away with it?
The press didn't come after him?
This is ridiculous.
michael malice
And he got fired from his own company.
tim pool
You mean by the Netflix guy?
michael malice
No, what happened there?
tim pool
He was giving a seminar on words that were offensive that shouldn't be on Netflix.
And so this is hilarious.
This story is so amazing.
He says a bunch of words.
Someone in the meeting complained to HR.
They brought him in and said, what happened?
And he explained, I was giving a meeting explaining these are the words we don't allow on Netflix.
And then they were like, what were the words?
He said them.
And then the HR people complained.
He said the word in front of us!
I can't, what?
He was telling you not to say it!
michael malice
But yeah, but you're ascribing rationality of fundamentalist faith.
I know.
So this is what, when you're starting up a company, and you're looking at these resumes, you need to start looking at these as examples of something to fear and stigma, and the price, the value that they might add from coming to Lee College, it's gonna be decreasing as opposed to cost.
tim pool
You know what man, I remember when I was a lot younger, and when I was like a teenager, I was Catholic for a little bit, Just because I was a little kid.
You lost your helicopter hat.
So I went to Catholic school up until fifth grade.
michael malice
Time for the helicopters.
tim pool
And then when I was a teenager, I became very... I don't necessarily want to say atheist.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
Kind of agnostic, but very arrogant.
michael malice
Oh, yeah.
God, yeah.
Like the people on Reddit.
tim pool
Totally, totally.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
You're so dumb!
You believe in God?
And... Right, but I was, you know, so morally superior to people.
But there was a concern about this moral authoritarianism coming from the right, which is now predominantly on the left, and it's the exact same thing.
That's why I think it's funny you said, ascribing reason to a fundamentalist faith.
But these people are taking over to a degree where—I remember hearing stories about, like, what do I do when my family is ultra-religious and they won't listen to what I'm saying?
I have the same problem now in the other direction.
It's really interesting because the part of my family that isn't white, they love Trump.
Not all of them, of course, but there's a lot of like, you know, they're all like, yeah, Trump's great.
And the white people in my family, my extended family, by the way, are SJWs.
michael malice
Oh gosh.
Do they hate you?
tim pool
It's the weird, I have no, I doubt it.
I don't think they hate me, but they won't engage.
So I've tried, like, commenting, like, hey, here's why I disagree with this weird, you know, stuff you're saying.
I didn't call them weird, but like— But it's also your outgroup.
michael malice
It's all psychological, because you're from the other side, and it's like, it's not— Not even!
tim pool
Like, look, I'm talking about, like, family members that I would go to Christmas with.
And all of a sudden they're posting nightmarish white collectivist ideology.
michael malice
Right, but I don't think you understand their perspective.
Imagine if one of your cousins came and started talking about BDSM.
Maybe it's shrug for you, but I'm saying for some people it'd be like, why are you talking about this?
This is at the very least creepy and weird, and I don't want to hear Normal, air quotes people, don't think in these terms.
So that is what it's like for them, for their faith, when you're talking about nuance regarding Trump.
It's like, this is gross and not part of what I believe.
tim pool
It's not even that.
It's like, you know, so I used to work in non-profit fundraising.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
So I was very good working for some of these big companies at communicating and, like, sort of opening the doors into people, like, in the sense of we could have a conversation before they recoil in horror.
michael malice
Sure, sure.
tim pool
So, I actually did a lot of trainings to teach people how do you communicate with someone who's not ideologically aligned with you.
You need to build rapport with them before anything.
So before you go up to them and say, you're crazy and wrong for believing this stuff, you say something that's more rapport building.
michael malice
Simply... You have to play on their turf, not yours.
tim pool
Right.
You say, you know, so a common technique is... Where are you from?
michael malice
Brooklyn.
tim pool
Brooklyn!
I lived in Brooklyn for five years, dude!
Man, they got the best Indian food in Bed-Stuy, and it was this little hole-in-the-wall place.
I used to live in, like, Myrtle and Nostrand.
You know Myrtle and Nostrand?
michael malice
This is people who don't live in Brooklyn.
That's how they talk.
I would be running away immediately.
Sure, sure, sure.
I got you.
You know, you're exactly right, because then it's like it's us versus them.
tim pool
Right, right.
So you create a rapport.
Yeah.
I try saying things like, on their terms, racism is bad.
I'm so glad you're opposed to racism.
Don't you think it's an issue that white people are forming collective groups?
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And they immediately just, there's no logic.
There's no reason.
And there's agree with me or get the F off my page.
michael malice
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
They've been trained to act this way.
tim pool
Let me tell you something.
You're familiar with Daryl Davis.
michael malice
I'm not.
tim pool
Daryl Davis is the black blues musician who de-radicalized over 200 Klansmen.
michael malice
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Amazing dude.
His story's incredible.
I did an event where he was speaking.
They threatened to burn the theater down.
We do an after event, and he decides to go across the street to the Antifa protesters and talk to them, and they called him a Nazi and a white supremacist and refused, and he is Facebook posting, I've never experienced this.
michael malice
But fossils encourage people to believe in creationism.
So the point is, for them, I talk about this in my book as well, for them black is a spiritual state.
That's why Bill Clinton is the first black president and Clarence Thomas is not black.
You laugh, but it has an internal logic to it.
tim pool
I know, I know, I know.
michael malice
In the same way for Catholics, right?
The Eucharist, the wafer, literally becomes Christ's bones and the wine literally becomes his blood.
I think that's the Catholics who do that.
Literally, you are no longer black and literally you are black if you are saved from the sin of racism.
And once you realize that's how they look at things, everything else makes much more sense.
tim pool
I find it hilarious when white people attack black people calling racial slurs and these anti-protesters.
michael malice
I don't think it's funny at all.
tim pool
Well, I don't mean funny haha.
I mean funny as in unusual and unnerving.
michael malice
You know what it is?
I've done so much work with North Korea and the former Soviet Union and how these totalitarian ideologies work.
That when I see even the slightest bit of it, it really makes me recoil.
And it's just like, this gets very bad very quickly, and I don't find it cute at all.
Like, I get why you do, I just personally don't.
tim pool
I'm not, but I am on the verge of laughing because you're wearing this hat with the helicopter on it, and you're talking about the Soviet Union, North Koreans, Gulag, you know, kind of stuff.
unidentified
The helicopters solve that problem in Chile.
tim pool
Are you at all concerned this undermines, or actually maybe it helps?
michael malice
No, this is very good because it alienates people who can only see things visually and viscerally, and those are not the people I want on my side.
I want people who are able to hear ideas and think critically, so this is actually a good filtering device for alienating people I wouldn't want to be able to be engaged with.
tim pool
Yeah, that's a good point.
The crazy thing about the Daryl Davis circumstance was that he could walk up to a Klansman And they'd be like, whoa.
And he'd be like, how's it going?
They'd be like, hi.
And they'd talk.
He couldn't do that with these far leftists.
michael malice
But the Klansman is ignorant.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
And had been taught a bunch of ideas, which is based on not, it's very hard to be racist or homophobic or anti-semitic or any of these other things if you know people from that group.
tim pool
Right.
michael malice
One of the best ways that gay rights got over was what I call like the ambassador program.
Because as more and more gay people came out and you were like, blah, blah, blah, they're coming after kids.
You're like, That's my uncle.
He loves my nephew.
That is personal.
This happened a lot with Europe, with the Jews.
It's like, that's my lawyer, or whatever.
You could say certain bad things about him.
The fact that he's evil?
I'm not hearing this, not even for a second.
For the clan, there's some people who it gives them status, who are low-status men, and now they have a cause.
Let me just finish real quickly.
They meet the guy.
He's like, this guy's a cool dude.
This is a fundamentalist faith.
It is a very different paradigm, in my opinion.
tim pool
I was going to say, that's exactly what Daryl said.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
That when he would talk to these Klansmen and they would hang out, later when these guys were at the meetings and they would say these things about black people, he'd go, that's not at all like Daryl.
Daryl doesn't act that way.
michael malice
As long as you have one, your entire narrative falls apart.
tim pool
Yeah, but then in terms of the fundamentalist faith, I guess the shield is don't ever talk or listen to anybody.
michael malice
Of course, because that's Satan in the apple.
Because they're going to tempt you into faith, into sin.
of sin. They're sending temptation to make you fall away.
You need to stay with us and remain pure, whereas that is the impurity and that's the
slippery slope. One day you're listening to Ben Shapiro, the next day you know Mein Kampf
inside and out, as the New York Times told us. But they're told this with a straight
face. By a reputable New York Times, no one's going to deny the New York Times a great
reputation. And the New York Times is telling me on A1 that if I'm reading Ben Shapiro
on Monday, I'm going to be getting swastika tattoos on Saturday.
Are you saying the New York Times doesn't know what it's talking about?
You call Mr. Propellerhead?
tim pool
You refer to the media as the cathedral.
michael malice
The cathedral is broader than the media.
The cathedral is the universities, the media and entertainment, and the government.
tim pool
And so this is but this is like the leftist SAW fundamentalists.
michael malice
It's actually a progressive faith that has its roots in the social gospel of Woodrow Wilson and even a little earlier.
Yes.
And this has been the governing as I talk in my book.
People think America is a secular society.
America is a more religious society than ever.
Just because a religion doesn't have a monotheist central god, Buddhism doesn't have that.
That does not make it any less of a faith.
They have their rituals, they have their televangelists who tell them what to think, Rachel Maddow, John Oliver, and very, this is literally a religion, they go on their Facebook and spread that day's sermon to all their congregants, and you're coming into their church and telling, hold on a minute, This is church!
Sit down and shut up!
We know what we're told, because you're going to tell me that this man of the cloth is wrong, or this lesbian of the cloth is wrong?
You don't know what you're talking about, and I'm offended that you would dare come in here and try to spit your sin in my house of purity.
tim pool
I think it's Peter Boghossian who refers to it as a non-theistic religion.
michael malice
Yes, it is absolutely a fundamentalist evangelical faith.
tim pool
I was having a conversation with a prominent online lefty a few years ago, and I was explaining that I view these people as a cult.
And then I said, you know, we had a discussion about it, and there's like these rules of cult-hood.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
And, you know, having like a figure.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So I was like, so maybe it's more of a religion.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
This individual, you know, disagreed with me.
A couple years later, they came back and said everything they experienced with religion was very, very similar to what they're experiencing now, and it's freaking them out.
michael malice
Yeah, absolutely.
And here's the other thing I want people to appreciate.
This is something I have enormous disdain for conservatives are.
Do not take people and give them your children to raise.
Eight days, five days a week, who are, they're training their children to hate you.
They, socialists regard your property as their property, but even more nefariously, they
regard your children as their property.
You see they're getting resentful that there might be cameras in these classrooms.
And it is a very sick, and this has been by design, they talk about making good citizens.
Making good citizens is a euphemism for breaking young minds and making them submissive and obedient and to have their self-esteem come from an external source, namely that mediocre man or woman at the front of the room who your approval is based on whether they give you a grade and it's based on whether they like you or not more often than not.
horrible prussian
evil system that's been going up a hundred years and that is something that
really needs to be the next front line among people who are school care about
their kids now i've just as a more thing a lot of people don't have the option to
go to private school of course that's where the fight needs to happen that
money has to follow the kid there need to be more choices for poor people i was
gonna ask you a school choice i mean i i'm up for school abolition i say i i
have i have said i agree I have said many times, public schools are literal prisons for children and the only place many people will ever encounter violence in their lifetimes.
And we're told, this is a really sick one, It's good that you're bullied because it prepares you for real life.
There is nowhere in real life where you are trapped for years with someone who is engaged in psychological warfare or physical warfare against you, other than perhaps an extremely abusive marriage.
And in that case, there are many venues to help you escape it and transition to a healthy life.
Whereas here, there's every chance to close the door and make sure you do not escape.
It is depraved.
tim pool
And what if the bully is your teacher?
michael malice
No, no, I've said this also.
The teachers are the bullies.
The teacher's job is to break your spirit and make you submissive and obedient.
I had some good teachers.
I'm sure you did have some.
Here are some things that we just take for granted.
Why is it that everyone has to learn in the same way?
Why is it that everyone has to be on the same timetable?
Because there are periods of life in corporate America where everyone just checks in at 9 o'clock, which makes no sense when you're self-employed.
Why is it that everyone has to learn the same things at the same rate?
None of these things make sense in a contemporary context, but we still do them.
unidentified
I agree!
tim pool
Abolish school.
unidentified
Yes!
michael malice
Abolish public schools.
End the government monopoly on schools.
tim pool
I was homeschooled before kindergarten.
Okay.
As long as I can literally remember and fathom a thought, my mom was homeschooling me and my siblings.
michael malice
That's wonderful.
tim pool
When I started school, I was just far ahead.
michael malice
Of course, because you basically had a tutor who loved you.
This is like the ideal scenario.
tim pool
So it's really funny, when I was in first grade, there was a math game called Around the World.
michael malice
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Where, are you familiar with the game?
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
You stand up, then you stand behind the next desk, and the teacher gives you a flash card.
Whoever answers first gets to move to the next desk.
If you're standing and you get it wrong, you sit down in their seat.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
I'd never lose.
Neither would my brother.
And so it got to a point where they would ask us not to play it.
Because no one was faster than us at solving these simple, you know, mathematical equations.
Like, just basic addition, multiplication, division.
I ended up being just like the best, like straight A's across the board.
And then I remember when I left Catholic school, went to public school, all of a sudden it was very different.
Now, I think the problem I had with Catholic school, and I'm grateful for my experience, was that the Catholic school was so uptight.
Everybody walked around with sticks up their butts.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Like, kids would cry if they stubbed their toe.
It was, like, ridiculously weak.
The public school was the exact opposite.
It was chaos.
Like, these kids were doing nasty stuff.
Just, you know, there was gang activity and things like that.
And so I got to experience a little bit of both, but my parents had actively been teaching me before, during, and after.
When I left, the reason I went to high school for about two months, I think, or a few months, I left partly because I was lied to every step of the way.
In 8th grade, they were like, look, look, I know you're upset and unhappy here and you're being held back because you're smarter and everybody and all that stuff.
Grade-wise, not like, you know, I was a genius at, you know, 8 years old, or I mean 12 years old.
But then they said, when you go to high school, there's going to be... Everything's gonna be different.
You're gonna learn the truth about all this, you know, stuff.
You know, about history.
They're gonna get more in-depth.
And then I got there and it was the exact same garbage.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And so I was like, I'm not going.
And I went from straight A's to straight F's.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's when my parents freaked out and they're like, something's wrong here.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And then I went back to homeschooling.
And so... You're very lucky.
We did this correspondence program I never finished.
I never got my diploma.
Never got a GED.
And I had this very easy realization when I was young.
The concept of wealth, wealth transfer, and value is simple.
The person sitting in front of me is holding a green piece of paper.
How do I convince them to let me hold that green piece of paper?
Everything else was irrelevant in terms of all these stupid arguments.
It was simply a discussion of, hello good sir, may I have that dollar?
And they might say yes, and I was like, wow!
And now I have money.
I can do whatever I want with it.
And that's how you start a business.
And that's the fundamental aspect of entrepreneurship.
But look, my family were entrepreneurs.
My dad ran side businesses.
He was a firefighter.
My mom was tutoring and things like that.
My grandpa had his own business.
And so I was very lucky in that regard.
And having a mom who, you know, she tutored me.
I watched my friends go to college.
They get indoctrinated.
It's horrifying.
They believe all these fanciful lies.
You're gonna go to college.
You're gonna get $50,000 in debt, but you'll be making $100,000 a year when you graduate, and then they go work at Starbucks.
I remember when I was, I think I was like 16 or 17.
My dad did want me to go to college, and I started reading this economist who wrote an article saying, If you go to any investor and say, for $40,000 in four years you'll be $40,000 in debt plus interest, they'll laugh in your face.
That's not even a real proposition.
Yet we do this to all of these college students all day.
So I learned something really interesting later on in life when I was probably around like 25 or 26.
So this is when I started covering You know, I was on the ground covering Occupy Wall Street.
I had a rising profile.
I had, you know, offers for work and stuff, but I was kind of doing my thing.
And I had a friend who told me a story about he tried hiring people for his job.
He initially hired college students, but found they were incapable of doing this kind of work because they struggled and always needed direction, could never solve a problem on their own.
He went through a few rounds of these employees not understanding what was wrong.
And then finally, when he was broke and he said, I can't afford these kids anymore.
I'll just hire someone hourly.
Problem solved.
And the people he had hired for Hourly moved to California to become actors.
And what he said was, I think these kids, they dropped out of high school, they made a decision for themselves.
I need to go here to accomplish my goals.
Whereas these other college kids were only people who had ever done what they were told to do.
michael malice
Oh yeah, of course.
Because now they've been initiated into this, it's a caste system.
I think it's been demonstrated, I don't have the study in front of me obviously, that by far the biggest divide in America isn't between race, it's between college graduates and non-college graduates.
And historically it's been like, okay, now this is kind of your entree into a certain stratus of society.
Thankfully, people like you and many others are demonstrating that this is a relic of history.
It's very hard to teach people, although it's increasingly easy, That it used to be the American dream, the GI Bill, right?
No one in my family ever went to college.
My daughter's going to college.
My son's going to college.
This was a major accomplishment.
This is objective proof that our family is getting better, that our kids have it better than us.
So it's very hard to knock that idea of these people's heads and be like, you're paying a lot of money for your beautiful teenage daughter to go away and to come back as a swamp walrus.
with unnatural hair, who loathes and despises you, and will feel comfortable berating grandma at Thanksgiving dinner because she doesn't know how to pronounce the pronoun X-I-R.
tim pool
Yes.
I think I figured it out.
I have a theory.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
G.I.
Bill.
That's a good point.
People came back from World War II.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And they were high school graduates, no degrees, and they raised families.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
So then you have the kids of the greatest generation.
Was it the Boomers?
michael malice
Yeah, that was the Boomers.
tim pool
So the Boomers, they are growing up in this world where they were raised by a high school graduate.
They're not told to go to college because you can raise a family with a high school degree.
A bunch of these kids become managers and become mid-level managers and they run stores and businesses and they're making okay money.
But then they look at their siblings.
They're making six figures, and this is back in the, you know, the 80s.
How are they making so much money?
They went to college.
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
I should have gone to college.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
Then they tell their kids, you have to go to college.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
Because your uncle did, and look how much money he made.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
But they're missing something.
michael malice
Just one more thing.
And he looks down on us, and I get why he does.
tim pool
They're missing something.
What?
If you were never told you had to go to college, and you chose to go to college, you made a decision for yourself, and you were pursuing your passion.
Sure.
It wasn't college that made them wealthy.
It was their own passion and drive.
And college was just them saying, what's the next step in becoming an architect or whatever.
Now they've told all these kids to succeed, you must go to college.
And those kids don't care and don't know, and they take out massive loans, and they go to school and say, uh-huh.
And then the guys, the school says, well, we recommend, I guess, I don't know, you want to be a journalist?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
tim pool
Well, put them in journalism.
There you go.
Congratulations.
michael malice
If the public education system worked as planned, you wouldn't need to go to college, because that high school diploma would be proof Not just evidence, proof to most companies that this guy can do, or girl, can do a great job on day one, that they are skilled, and this is a certificate that has meaning.
The fact that a high school graduate is absolutely meaningless in our day and age, including possibly being illiterate, is now like, okay, well now this is a degree that counts.
What they ignore, even if they had the best of interests, which I do not think for a second, is that this is another four years where this person is not an economic benefit to the culture.
He's not, he or she's not working, they're students, they're net loss to the economy.
So that's what, instead of going from 1 to 17 where they're not producers, now it's 1 to 21.
Four years in terms of an adult's working life span is a significant chunk of that change for them not to be in the job market.
And this is an economic cost that they just pretend doesn't matter.
tim pool
You know what kids need?
michael malice
What?
tim pool
Jobs.
michael malice
Yes, yes.
tim pool
It gives them self-esteem.
I said this in as a vague way as possible to trigger as many of these stupid people, but my family, my mom opened a cafe when I was, I think, nine.
And so from nine to eleven, I worked at my family business.
michael malice
You must have been adorable.
tim pool
Absolutely.
michael malice
Did you have the beanie?
tim pool
No.
I had a Tasmanian Devil baseball cap.
michael malice
Did you?
Oh my god!
unidentified
How cute!
I love it.
tim pool
So I worked the register.
My mom would show me some of the management stuff.
And we would serve, uh, I would make drinks.
So I was nine and I knew how to make, uh, an espresso, cappuccino, all this stuff.
While I was in sixth grade.
And guess what else?
michael malice
What?
tim pool
I had cash.
I bought my very own Game Boy and Pokemon Red on my own.
From the tip jar.
michael malice
I don't know who invented Pokemon Red.
I'm just trying to figure out how to get Pokemon Red to the polls.
Wait, wait, I gotta ask you though.
When you're nine and you're working the register, it's the cutest thing ever.
tim pool
Some people loved it, some people hated it.
michael malice
Oh, people, I mean, people were fawning over you all the time?
tim pool
Uh, I mean, it was in Boys Town.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
And so you had gay men and women being like, this is the most darling thing ever.
And they'd go to my mom and be like, that's so cute.
unidentified
Oh my God.
michael malice
He's such a grown up.
tim pool
And then there were, the guys didn't care.
They'd be like, thanks for the coffee.
michael malice
And they'd leave.
tim pool
But there was a couple people would be like, why is there a kid making my coffee?
But typically, the women would come in and they'd be smiling.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
And that's why I made Mad Tips.
michael malice
Because you must have been so conscientious, too.
tim pool
I know, right?
No, I didn't think at all.
I was probably not even sentient.
I'm kidding, by the way.
michael malice
Yeah, but you were still basically doing the job correctly, I'm sure.
And you knew what you were doing.
So it's kind of like you tell a kid and the kid delivers.
It's kind of impressive.
tim pool
I know, it is.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
So it was a family business.
My mom would be there.
My dad would be there.
And I made my own money.
And when there was no one at the counter, It's like there was a counter and then there would be a table, you know, so I'd come out from- I'd sit down, I'd been playing Pokemon, and- or I'd be sitting next to my mom and her friends and they'd be talking politics.
And then I would- Oh.
And I'm sitting right there.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Sitting around a bunch of adults, working a real job, learning how to actually live.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
And so I remember when I was in sixth grade, they were trying to raise money
for a present for the teacher.
And they were like, everyone's trying to pitch in a dollar.
And I walked up and I was like, how much do you need?
And I pulled out a wad of cash.
It was like 30 bucks, but for like, for some reason I'm like, all in singles.
And I had a bunch of pennies, nickels, and quarters.
michael malice
My uncle Jeffrey Epstein gave me this.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Who's he, the guy from Wall Street?
tim pool
And then I pull out a dollar and I'm like, here you go.
And then I remember this one girl in my class, she was like, how do you have so much money?
And I was like, I have a job.
I go to work and my family's business on the weekends.
And it wasn't a bad thing.
Like I didn't go like, I have to go to work on the weekend.
It was like, my mom would be like, hey, come to the coffee house.
And I'd be like, okay.
And guess what?
I would take the bus and the train by myself across the city.
michael malice
Do you know Lenore Skenazy?
tim pool
I do not.
michael malice
She has a book called Free Range Kids because what she did, she was called the worst mom of the year because she gave her son like a dollar and told him find your way home in New York City.
And at first he was freaked, but then when he figured out how to do it, he was like, oh my God, I know how to navigate New York.
And the point she makes is these stories about kidnappings, which was an issue with like Charles Lindbergh in the 20s or whatever it was.
Now it's not the case.
Maybe it's the case now with de Blasio.
I can't speak on that.
But she's like the people in busy areas are look if there's a kid.
People are watching to make sure this kid is safe and if like are you okay little boy whatever so on and so forth So she talks about this very extensively and how healthy it is as opposed to public schools where your entire mental health is exported to that Mediocre person from the room where it's like I'm at 9 at 10 11 I'm old enough and big enough to figure out my way around this city and I can handle myself No one's around me to help me and I think that's such an empowering message to the kids who aren't you know dismembered and One of the, like, I guess most powerful revelations kids have is, I can't believe I had to ask to go to the bathroom.
Oh, that's the other one.
Yeah.
tim pool
I never did.
michael malice
Do you know what happened to me in second grade?
You don't know.
tim pool
I don't?
No.
I forget.
It's been a long time since we did.
michael malice
It's in my biography, Ego and Hubris, which costs $100 on eBay now.
Second grade, this is one of those stories which really solidified my absolute contempt for these people.
You had to go with a buddy to the bathroom, right?
I get it, like you don't want the kids wandering around the halls by themselves, sure, excuse me.
And Miss Jaeger, who's not an attractive woman, I remember that very vividly, she looked like the Skeksis from Dark Crystal.
I went with David Gaba, and we went to the bathroom, and it was one of the things like, you know what, I don't really need to go.
So I took some water, the water fountain came back, and she's like, oh, what happened?
Why are you so quick?
And me or him told the truth, like, oh, I didn't go to the bathroom.
And she punished me by saying I'm not allowed to go to the bathroom anymore.
And then one day I peed my pants.
And it was, you know, you're a kid, this is traumatizing.
And we almost got her fired.
Wow.
But it's just like, it's absolutely demented that you have to ask approval to go... I'm not a dog.
tim pool
You know, you know, I was lucky for... And now I pee my pants all the time.
unidentified
Oh gosh.
tim pool
I know.
michael malice
Oh, here we go.
Here we go.
tim pool
We'll just get somebody to clean that up later.
lydia smith
Oh gosh, darn it.
You didn't need to.
tim pool
I remember when I was probably like seven and I had to wake up at 6.30 because school started at seven.
Wake up at 6.30, you know, get washed up, get your backpack, grab a bite, and then run to school.
I think school started at 7.30 or something like that.
And I remember being really unhappy and going, I don't want to go to school.
And my dad goes, then don't go.
And I went, what?
And he goes, don't go.
And I was like, but I have to go to school.
And he goes, says who?
And I was like, I have to go to school.
And he's like, your choice.
And then I went to school and I was like, I have to.
And that was, I think that was really a really smart thing to say to me.
Because I knew my responsibilities.
And I was like, I can't not go to school.
I could, he's right.
My dad was saying, if I didn't, if I didn't, I have to choose.
And I chose responsibility.
And so I went and did that, and that was kind of, you know, I think it's lessons like that.
michael malice
And that's why I became a high school dropout.
And it is.
tim pool
It is, absolutely.
And it's also why I have a successful podcast.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
It's all part of this.
Yeah, you're right.
michael malice
Because you know when to cut your losses.
tim pool
Oh, absolutely.
michael malice
You know, like, this is not providing value to me.
I know what I'm worth.
Why am I here?
tim pool
You know what it is, too, though?
And this is all... Man, I really am grateful to my parents.
My mom tutored me and homeschooled me and gave me the perspicacity to function properly.
I learned that from the Simpsons, by the way, from Lisa Simpson, the word perspicacity.
My dad gave me an understanding of the balance between responsibility and freedom.
Another story that I have is I was driving in the car with my dad and we saw what looked like a homeless guy riding a bike.
And he looked awful, disheveled, pulling like a little cart full of garbage.
And I said something like, oh, that's sad.
And he goes, what is?
And I was like, that man.
And he goes, why is that sad?
And I was like, cause he's homeless.
I think we're the happiest guy in the world for all you know.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And I was like, oh yeah.
michael malice
He taught you empathy.
You have to, not everything's from your own perspective, something different, different perspectives.
tim pool
And so then, I think what made me drop out was not cutting my losses, was I need to decide for myself, and I need to figure out what I need to do, and no one's gonna do for me.
And it's really interesting how that translates into the work I do here on YouTube, and podcasting in general.
I mean, the podcast is on a bunch of other platforms as well.
But so many people have this view in their mind that you must be lifted up by someone else, and they use jobs and opportunities as stepping stones.
Like, hey Tim, you know Joe Rogan, right?
Can you put in a show?
Psst, no.
It's never gonna happen.
Dude, don't hit me up.
I got an email from someone saying, Tim, we'd really love to get this high-profile guest on your show.
And I'm talking high-profile, and I'm like, wow!
And then they email, we're really looking to these dates, and we just wanna know, real quick, did you have Joe's email?
I'm just like, into the trash you go.
I deal with my own business.
I do my thing.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, you know, you're not coming here for a stepping stone.
These people don't realize this.
michael malice
If you want to succeed- I came here for a stepping stone.
tim pool
Did you not?
unidentified
I don't believe it.
michael malice
Do you have Joe Rogan's email?
Yes!
Maybe I'll be on- For you!
Maybe I'll be on one day.
tim pool
My advice to people is mind your own business.
And I don't mean that in the sense like don't talk to people, don't network.
I'm saying work hard and figure it out for yourself.
michael malice
And people will be glad to introduce you to other people.
Because if there's someone who would be a great guest on this show, I wouldn't have... I would not have... If someone asked me to get in touch with you, I wouldn't do it.
But if I knew someone who I knew you'd be a good guest, you wouldn't have to ask me.
I'd be like, Tim, you should check this person out.
You could say yes or no, but you wouldn't also feel weird that I recommended someone who you could see as possibly a potential guest.
A lot of people... I think... It's so transparent, though.
They're so heavy-handed with it.
It's despicable.
tim pool
And these are...
Look, when I look at the SJW types, they go to school, they're told what to do.
I've tried working with these people, man.
Look, I think the hiring process has to be extremely rigorous.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
And a lot of these people that I've worked with can solve no problem.
I mean, they're NPCs in regards to where you're like, take this, and hit that rock.
And they will!
But I don't need to hire someone to do something I know how to do.
michael malice
It's critical theory, not critical thought.
I just thought of that, and whoever else uses it, you gotta credit me.
But that's a good way of conceptualizing it.
tim pool
But there's another aspect to that, too.
There are other people who are not SJWs who spent their entire lives in school, then college, and they went to, like, good private schools.
They're still people who are guided, you know, with someone in front of them saying, now you do this, now you do this.
michael malice
Bluepill people.
They think every screen is a window.
tim pool
But I'm talking about even conservatives, too.
michael malice
Many conservatives are completely blue-pilled.
tim pool
Absolutely.
michael malice
If you think that Candace Owens and Trump, if you sit down with a black person who's a lawyer and you tell them you're on a plantation and this is going to end well for you and is appropriate, you're blue-pilled and deranged.
tim pool
Wait, say that one more time.
michael malice
If you do the Candace Owens thing, you sit down with a black person who's a lawyer and say, you're on a plantation, you should vote Republican, that this is something that's appropriate or that they're going to be receptive to, you're a crazy person.
tim pool
I certainly think she's had an impact, to be fair.
michael malice
Sure.
Well, assuming the polls are correct, I think there's a lot of... What's Trump's support among black Americans right now?
tim pool
So there are four polls that put it around 30%.
michael malice
Approval rating or intent to vote?
tim pool
So Rasmussen has likely voter approval.
michael malice
That's not the same.
tim pool
I know, right, right, right.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the approved rating is 30%.
But my point is, I don't think that's an effective... You were earlier talking about convincing someone to give you money.
I don't think someone who is at all successful, if you talk to them as a white person and say you're on a plantation, this is going to be grounds for further conversation.
tim pool
Right, of course, of course.
The Socratic method.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
Ask them to just define their positions.
michael malice
Yeah, like what is it about him?
How do we turn this no into a yes?
What is it about him that you hate the most?
What is it about him that you like the most or are most comfortable with?
tim pool
I can tell you it's not even the most effective way that we used to do for fundraising.
You never tell them where you want them to go.
You build a rapport with them and then put them in a position where their only option is to go in the direction you want.
michael malice
Okay.
But give them the illusion of choice, I'm sure.
tim pool
So right.
So an example would be once you've built that rapport and they view you as the same as them.
So, hey, we both supported Obama.
High five.
Yeah, man.
Wasn't Obama a great president?
Isn't Trump so bad?
Then you say something like, you know, one of the best things about Obama.
And then you go on to cite his foreign policy record.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And something the average person's gonna be like, that is nightmarish.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
You force them to criticize Obama.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
Because you liked it.
But Obama did a bunch of really bad foreign policy stuff that if I said, I don't want those quotes taken out of context.
You know, I'm sure you know, like drone strike, Abdul Rahman Awlaki.
michael malice
Of course, the Iran stuff.
tim pool
Oh, totally.
You endorse that to somebody and you'll force them to back away.
So these are tricks and manipulation.
And it's one of the reasons I didn't want to work in fundraising because you have to.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
In sales.
You can't be honest with people, because people will react emotionally.
michael malice
Yeah, you're manipulating them towards a goal that they're not aware that is their goal.
tim pool
I didn't last very long at any one of these companies, to be completely honest, because I felt like I could go to any one of these non-profits and finally find the place where I could be honest.
And I did.
And I remember one time I was pitching a guy on a homeless shelter.
And the charitable rate to administrative rate was 50-50, which is garbage for a non-profit.
Like, the good non-profits, 90% of your dollar, 90 cents, goes to the charitable cause.
michael malice
Okay, wow.
Isn't there a website that tells you which charities are good and which ones are bad?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
And the big ones are usually bad.
michael malice
Yeah, like Susan Coleman is not notoriously bad.
tim pool
I don't know.
I think so.
Like, they pay the CEO a massive salary.
And there's arguments for why they do that, because they have to be competitive with good leaders, and they are businesses.
But I remember a guy saying, you mean to tell me if I give you a buck, 50 cents is gonna go into a manager's pocket?
And I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, but look at the other number.
See that?
That number that went to the kids?
Could be zero.
And he went, oh no.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, that'd be bad.
I'm like, right, look, we got to pay for the company, man.
So we're getting as much as we can.
And I prefer to be honest.
They didn't like it.
They actually straight up told me to lie like every time.
And so I left the industry because I'm like, I'm not going to go out here.
And I thought I was fighting for something good.
And that's ultimately why I quit.
I didn't want to work in that kind of environment.
But imagine everything that's going on with politics.
We opened this show talking about how the Atlantic is playing defense for Joe Biden.
And one of the things we didn't actually mention, there's a news story that came out from the Washington Post and a bunch of other outlets, 93% of all of the protests have been peaceful.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
How convenient at a time when we're actually starting to get angry about the violence and the destruction and regular people are waking up to how insane it is.
michael malice
93%, yeah.
93%!
tim pool
It's all peaceful.
michael malice
I made this point on Twitter, I made it to you earlier.
If I kill someone once, the corporate press is factual but not truthful.
If I kill someone once, I am mostly peaceful.
364 days of the year, I kill no one.
Do you know what else they do?
This is an amazing one.
When they talk about, like, terrorism, and they talk about Muslim terrorism versus, like, white male extremist terrorism, and they start at 2002, it's like, why'd you start in 2002?
Did anything happen in 2001 that might skew the date one way or another, possibly?
tim pool
And what year do they choose for white supremacy?
michael malice
What year?
tim pool
Can you give me the specific year?
lydia smith
I don't know which one you're talking about.
tim pool
The Oklahoma City bombing.
michael malice
Oh yeah, right, yeah.
With Timothy McVeigh.
tim pool
Was that, like, 94?
michael malice
Something like that, yeah.
tim pool
They go back, yeah, so it's always like, since this date.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, since that date, huh?
michael malice
That's arbitrary.
So it's factual but not truthful, and the same is, like, okay, if you have a billion protests and 7% are violent, that's really bad.
If you have 100 protests and 7% are violent, that's bad, but nowhere near as bad.
Percentage is completely an irrelevancy when we're dealing with people being killed, businesses.
This is why I have so much contempt for de Blasio and Cuomo and many such other people.
Which is, there's nothing more American, we've all been told, especially by the Cuomos of the world, the Fredos of the world, where you have the family that comes over, mom and dad put together a business, maybe mom's a good cook, they have a restaurant, dry cleaning, grocery store, all the typical immigrant jobs.
These were the first people put out of business by this COVID nonsense.
And there's no responsibility for what you've done to them.
There's not going to be any restitution.
And now when their businesses are burned down, they're told, sit down and shut up.
You have insurance.
You built something with your hands.
This is your dream.
Blood, sweat and tears.
And the question is, well, you got to check.
Why are you complaining?
Are you insane?
You people are monsters.
tim pool
Yeah.
Like this desk we have, and these walls and everything.
So Adam actually put these walls together.
I bought the fake vinyl slats, though.
That was my conclusion.
But no, so everything that this studio is built upon was incremental for me.
It wasn't like one day I just knew exactly what I needed to buy.
And so if everything that I've put together was destroyed overnight, insurance would never rebuild it.
There's no one I can hire to do that job.
michael malice
But just also emotionally.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
michael malice
It's like, you're going to get another spinning fake circular earth?
No.
tim pool
Fake circular earth?
michael malice
Yeah, you know.
lydia smith
Spherical, yeah.
It's not really round.
tim pool
Yeah, we would lose the UFO, but we have like that life-size Trump.
I suppose I could replace.
Yeah, we have a life-size cardboard Trump someone sent us.
michael malice
Are you gonna buy the same thing the second time?
It's gone.
It's not the same one.
tim pool
Yep.
I actually have just over there under a desk a whole bunch of objects of historical value from news events that I've covered.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
So one example is the police.
So I lived on the street where the cops got executed by the black supremacist in Brooklyn.
And the police tape, I walked out my door and I took the police tape and I ripped the piece off and brought it inside.
I was like, this happened.
This is, you know, it's kind of like I can look at anyone.
michael malice
Were they the ones who were shot in their car?
Oh my gosh.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I lived on that street.
michael malice
Did you hear the gunshots?
No.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I heard the helicopter 20 feet above my house though.
When the cops came in, they wouldn't let me leave my house, but I left my house and I went and filmed it.
Uh, these objects I have can never be replaced.
Impossible.
But I can look at them, and I know that happened.
I know.
So, you know, it's kind of that.
I look at that, and it's like tying a string around your finger.
It's like a ribbon around a tree.
I've got a whole bunch of them.
I got the newspaper from St.
Louis the day they announced no charges for Darren Wilson.
michael malice
I'm a pack rat also.
I have every book I've ever read.
I'm digitizing them some now.
But when you hold it, this is a part of your life that can never be replaced.
And if it's your business, this is your dream.
This gets me very upset.
tim pool
For me, these objects are beyond me.
michael malice
It's also history, yeah.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's like, this happened.
And I can show this to someone and tell them the history of these things and these conflicts.
And if that was destroyed?
Never.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
michael malice
These are talismans.
tim pool
Beyond value.
michael malice
Contemporary talismans.
tim pool
So they, not only that, but the insurance only covers a certain number.
So one story that came out of Minneapolis is that the debris removal for many buildings was over 100k.
Insurance only covers 25.
michael malice
Oh my god.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
thought they were going to demolish their entire building and haul all the debris away.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So now they're out of business permanently. Then you have a combination of COVID and the riots.
And that's why I'm just like, look, man, the Republicans have resisted the lockdowns and
Trump has been straight up law and order the whole time.
The Democrats have been go protest.
Woohoo!
And lock it all down.
michael malice
It's extremely important that we all stay home.
And now it's extremely important that we all take to the streets.
And now it's extremely important we all stay home.
And I'm going to say something else.
I tweeted this out earlier this week.
I'm guessing it's going to be around 2023-2024 when we start having the necessary discussion about how do you have personal consequences for these people who do these things.
Because without personal consequences, they will do it again in a second because their incentives are all there.
And until that happens, and it's not going to be voting them out of office, this is going to continue.
And that's going to be a very disturbing conversation to have.
tim pool
Should there be a grand jury indictment for Cuomo for putting sick patients into nursing homes, killing 6,500?
michael malice
I am not in a position to say what I think should be done, Governor Cuomo.
Not publicly at least. I'm not. And I'm not joking in the slightest.
tim pool
There's a lot of governors who were putting sick people in nursing homes.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
And thousands upon thousands of people died because of this.
unidentified
Yes.
michael malice
But then if you left your house without a mask, you want to kill Grandma.
lydia smith
Yeah, what the heck?
michael malice
See, you want to kill Grandma, but I'm actually doing it.
And Cuomo is fighting tooth and nail, understandably, to have any investigation, is my understanding.
tim pool
I know you're against voting, but for me, all of these things were a big catalyst for me being like, We gotta vote him out.
I mean, if anything I can do, I can cast a ballot.
I'm not saying it's the only thing that can be done.
I do a show to millions of people and tell them, like, look at these things that are happening.
Something must be done.
But at the very least, I can say no to these people.
And if that's the one thing I can do to start, it's a good start.
Because I'm worried about what happens.
michael malice
I'm worried about a good finish.
tim pool
Oh, yeah?
Some of the statements made by individuals, higher profile right-wing groups and right-wing militia groups, the things they've said, I'm like, I hope saying no, it's the best thing I can do, and if we all do it, it can prevent the worst to come.
The worst that is to come.
michael malice
I'm not even talking about violence.
I just mean the fact that an indictment, whatever, it's just absolutely crazy that someone can do this much damage.
I had a poll on my Twitter.
I said, who has done more damage to New York City, Muhammad Atta or de Blasio?
And de Blasio won 90-1, but it's 90-10, but it's indisputably true.
I've been there all my life, and I'm telling you, Tim, it is devastating in heartbreak.
Here's the other thing.
This got me so upset, I was like literally shaking.
Haha, but not really.
I was actually literally shaking.
A couple weeks ago, I was very tired.
And I was just kind of tired, it wouldn't go away.
And I'm like, wait a minute, maybe I have COVID.
And I talked to my buddy Jay and he goes, no, no, no, you can't have it.
I'm like, what do you mean?
He goes, it's down to 100 cases in New York City a day.
There have been no deaths for like two months.
And I go, you can't be serious.
He pulls up the data and I'm sitting there.
I'm like, for two months, there's been no deaths and yet you have entire industries Filled with low, uneducated, often low-skilled people.
Where are they supposed to go?
It's just horrifying.
tim pool
They're destroying New York.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
And they're blaming Trump for it.
michael malice
Yes.
Trump just said, if Trump comes here, he better have a bunch of bodyguards.
tim pool
An army.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
He said bodyguards wouldn't be enough.
He better bring an army.
michael malice
How dare you talk about, and then how dare you talk about this with the, you are normalizing violence against the president of the United States as the governor.
You're saying, well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of people, like, force violence on you.
tim pool
How many people... It's your job to keep him safe.
michael malice
He's a New York resident, or he was until recently.
tim pool
How many people died in New York from COVID?
michael malice
I don't have the number.
Is it like, uh... It wasn't like 25,000, but then those numbers are skewed, because now we're finding that they died with COVID as opposed to died of COVID.
tim pool
No, no, they died from COVID.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
So this is something that a lot of people are confused by.
I think Lydia clarified this, having actually been a fancy doctor.
lydia smith
Yeah, so if you had something else and you died of COVID, they counted you as having died with COVID, which is, I believe, a pretty standard operation.
tim pool
No, but specifically the 94% thing that came out, comorbidities.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So a comorbidity doesn't mean you died of the comorbidity.
lydia smith
Right, exactly.
tim pool
You died of COVID.
lydia smith
It's a comorbidity.
It's something that you died along with.
tim pool
Here's the argument.
It's that if you're obese, you'll live.
If you're obese and you get COVID, COVID is likely to kill you.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
So these people, we knew this from the beginning, that people who had comorbidities or were invulnerable groups were much more likely to die from COVID.
But I think when you look at the data, and a lot of the arguments now coming from even some reputable, I say reputable, wink wink, news sources, what I mean by that is, are they actually credible?
But they are mainstream.
They're saying that something happened, but it ended a while ago, a few months ago at least.
And now the argument, I suppose, for many of these leftists is, oh, but it's only because we're locked down we're not seeing it.
As opposed to the fact that the Sunbelt bump never escalated.
It bumped a little bit and gone.
So now there's some prominent outlets saying, we believe we've reached herd immunity.
The CDC changed their guidelines.
Then Fauci was like, oh, harumph, I say.
And then there are some jurisdictions that have completely opened up that were previously locked down, suggesting Yeah, we should have been good to reopen a while ago, at least substantially more than we've already done.
But for whatever reason, they want to destroy and make sure that these businesses cannot ever come back.
michael malice
You know the reason.
The reason is they enjoy their sense of power.
And I also tweeted this out, which is, whether we like it or not, some very evil people now have some very useful information about how much Americans will put up with.
tim pool
I think it's also that they're cowards, and they don't want any responsibility at all.
michael malice
Of course.
The incentives are all against it, opening up.
unidentified
Exactly.
michael malice
It's more like, if there's a death, it's going to be on my shoulders.
If it's a business loss, I can shrug my hand.
I could, you know, shrug.
tim pool
But COVID!
michael malice
Yeah.
The incentives are completely... That's why it's so disturbing.
tim pool
What I think is happening is that... Did you read Matt Taibbi's piece recently?
He just published it about the Trump era sucks and needs to end.
michael malice
I read the first paragraph and it got me angry.
Because it's really good.
I agree with you.
I'm sure it is good.
But the point he made in that first paragraph, and I don't know if this is the theme of the whole piece, was he was saying that a lot of lefties who come from liberal arts colleges have never been to sales meetings.
So when they hear Trump talk and say these absurdities, it doesn't resonate with them.
And they're like, I've never heard anything like this.
And we need to get away from that culture and back to our culture.
And my point is, if you're asking me to choose between the salespeople And the Ivy League grads, this is not a hard choice.
And we need to do everything in our possible, possible in our power to avoid that.
Because the first college president to become president was who?
What?
Woodrow Wilson.
So it all goes full circle.
And you have people who are morons, who are not highly educated, like Ronald Reagan from Eureka College, who ends the Cold War without firing a shot.
And I'm using the term moron here, ironically.
tim pool
There's a great part of this article he writes where he says, he essentially says the cycle functions like this with the media.
Trump will say something, the media within seconds will immediately assert the opposite without evidence, but claiming Trump is the one who's trying to kill people, and he says call this the hydroxychloroquine effect.
The president sees some news reports from some outlets claiming there's some prominent studies.
Then he boasts and brags about it.
Then the media immediately declares he's trying to kill people.
Then you discover a day later that Trump actually said, what do I know?
I'm not a doctor.
And the media omitted that to make it seem like he was telling people to run outside and mainline hydroxychloroquine.
And I laughed.
It's hilarious.
Now, Matt doesn't like Trump, but that...
michael malice
Here's another one I pointed out.
Back in May, he had everyone tweeting, hashtag, I am Antifa.
People who had never heard of Antifa the week prior were now in a position to lecture their Facebook friends about this organization, this movement doesn't really exist, but if it did exist, it's just like you and me.
So I would encourage people to go back and look at any Bluechecks who Bluechecked I am Antifa and ask them, follow up, do you still consider yourself a member of Antifa?
lydia smith
What a great question.
tim pool
Who was, was it Keith Ellison's son?
michael malice
Well, Keith Ellison was holding up the book.
tim pool
But then his son said, I think it was Keith Ellison's son, somebody said when Trump said
he wanted Antifa to be labeled domestic terrorists, then a bunch of people were like, I am Antifa.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was his son, I think.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's like, I mean, Bill Barr straight up said they investigate their activities as
michael malice
Yeah.
And... With good reason.
tim pool
With good reason.
I'm not a fan of these... the laws that ascribe that, like, motives are prerequisite to breaking a crime when the crime is already a crime.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
Like, if you go around beating people and threatening them and coercing them, you know, you're breaking the law.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
Just slap on an additional, like, well, but you did it because there was a different reason.
michael malice
Sure, sure.
tim pool
Like, hate crime laws, too.
michael malice
That's fair.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
I'm like if it's illegal it's illegal.
michael malice
Right.
If you kill someone because of your prejudice or you kill someone because they're screwing
your wife, these are murders.
tim pool
Yeah.
Right, right, exactly.
And I think we should have equality under the law.
So I'm not sure if I'm a big fan of charging people as terrorists instead of just like
Harassment.
Stalking.
michael malice
I think by charging but if you regard them and you look at that strategically and have people
who are under cover and keep an eye because that happens with you know racist radical groups as
well it should and all these Muslim radical groups as well it should it's like okay let's have our
guy in there or at least someone a neighbor keeping an eye on them to make sure things
don't get out of hand let them have their meetings but it wants things you know go nuts.
tim pool
There's another reason why I don't like tribes don't want to be a part of tribes and don't want
to don't like voting for people I don't want to be a part of any group you know for this is this is
I gotta say I've done my homework and what's happening now has made me feel like I have to
vote for Trump at the very least.
But again, I have to stress, the people that I often talk to who complain about Republicans, like, but Trump this and that, I'll be like, Trump is very different from what the Republicans are.
I think the Republicans are awful, completely awful.
But I just think, the way I kind of view it now, Trump is a bull that he was unleashed into the ivory tower.
And he's just stomping around, running upstairs, kicking, you know, and these Ivy League, you know, ivory tower elites are like going, and like running around frantic.
And if you help them kick the bull out, they will lock the doors and never let anyone in again.
michael malice
Yes.
They will take steps to make sure this happened once.
And they will tell you this was a fluke.
We know it's a fluke because it only happened once and America came to its senses four years later.
And now we've got to take steps to make sure this fluke is not possible again.
Just one more thing.
The Republican Party will do everything in its power to make sure they can't be another Trump nominee.
tim pool
Yes.
So, if they sent you a video from the Tower of the Bull snorting and kicking over vases, it looks terrible, doesn't it?
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
Yeah, but what happens if the Bull stays in and finally pushes them out?
Bull gets tired, Bull eventually leaves, and now the people can come in.
The establishment that wants to lock down control are getting support from progressives in this country who, I'm surprised, they should be sitting back laughing at the establishment getting trounced all over.
Let Trump, you know, Trump is not that bad.
Let him, let him, you know, run his course, push back on the extremism.
I guess a lot of these progressives are identitarian, so they're trying to accept their victories as well.
The way I see it is, after Trump, if the establishment is pushed out and weakened beyond any repair, then maybe we can actually start having real conversations beyond what Trump is or was.
But if he gets kicked out, then you're going to have the same corporate crony, Wall Street, whatever elites, locking the doors and no one will ever get in.
michael malice
Yes.
And that's, I mean, this is how disingenuous there was.
There was an article recently that says, oh my gosh, all these Republican national security advisors with all this history behind them are endorsing Biden.
And then I just retweeted, I go, this happened four years ago under Hillary.
Like we all remember this, that it was like everyone There was a news report, six mayors from Iron Range cities endorsed Donald Trump.
You're familiar with the Iron Range?
This is like, what a big deal.
We've told you what to do.
Vote for her.
Everyone agrees.
It's like Biden.
It's happened with Biden.
This has never happened before.
No, it literally happened last time.
You liar.
tim pool
There was a news report.
Six mayors from iron range cities endorsed Donald Trump.
You know, you're familiar with the iron range.
michael malice
No, I'm not.
tim pool
It is the second biggest Democrat stronghold in Minnesota.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
It is the Democrat Farmer Labor Party territory.
Oh, wow.
michael malice
Lefty.
That's socialist lefty.
tim pool
Not all of them endorsed Trump.
Some of them actually pushed back.
But when I saw that, and then someone sent me, I said, wow, look at this.
You know, all these union towns endorsing Trump.
Someone sent me, but look at the Republicans endorsing Biden.
And the Republicans were all former, you know, intelligence.
And I said, if you're telling me I have to choose between the union laborers and some spooks?
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
You know, it's not a hard choice.
Like, I'll take the union guys any day.
I'm not interested in these intelligence guys.
michael malice
This is the KGB.
I'm not joking.
I mean, these organizations have secret police who spy on American citizens.
They listen to our phone calls, grossly unconstitutionally.
Snowden just showed that this program was based on lies, and we're supposed to smile and nod and regard them as patriots?
I left Russia, but I guess I brought it over with me.
tim pool
I'm kind of hoping that if Trump gets reelected, one of the first things he does is pardon Snowden and Assange.
michael malice
And also, you just read Pirate Roberts, Ross Ulbricht.
tim pool
I don't know a whole lot about that, but from what I've read, the whole thing seems fairly messed up.
michael malice
Yes, it's very much so.
I had his mom, Lynn, on my show, and it was a very touching episode.
tim pool
Do you think Trump would just pardon all these individuals or commute somewhere else?
michael malice
I don't think it's remotely implausible.
And you know what?
He might even do it if he loses.
tim pool
That's true, that's true.
michael malice
You know, what's funny is- And also the marijuana people.
tim pool
Yes.
I think Glenn Greenwald brought this up because somebody was like, why would Trump pardon Assange?
Because everyone thought he would.
And he said something like, maybe it's because Assange exposed the intelligence agencies that were spending years, you know, screwing with his presidency and causing him problems.
And now he's angry about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
Well, we- Play with the bull, get the horns.
This is what I really, really hope.
I hope if Trump gets reelected, that we see my favorite side of Trump, the petty vindictiveness.
One of the best moments of the Trump presidency was when Nancy Pelosi and all them were going overseas and he made them literally turn the bus around and saying you're not getting on the plane.
We all saw that.
You heard the Curb Your Enthusiasm music in your head as they were getting off the bus.
It was pornographic.
tim pool
Didn't they drive around in circles for a while?
michael malice
I think so, yeah.
They didn't know what to do.
It was amazing.
It's like...
tim pool
I've never been a fan of Trump's, and he did this a lot earlier on, very bombastic, very offensive and angry, and he's chilled out a whole lot.
But I gotta tell you, there is something magical to seeing crony establishment millionaires, and billionaires, getting comeuppance.
Nancy Pelosi, who's been in, well actually yes, Hillary Clinton, I laughed so hard when he won because it was like, At the time, in 2016, I was for Bernie.
And then Bernie kind of let me down in a lot of ways.
But when Hillary lost, it was like all of your dirty games and your arrogance has just, you know... Remember that tweet?
michael malice
Happy birthday to this future president a few days before the election.
Happy birthday, bitch!
Sorry, sorry.
I was told no cursing.
I almost got through.
tim pool
No, we don't say no cursing.
We just say, like, keep in mind, YouTube will, you know, punish you.
But there's something magical.
We'll take it out of post.
This is why a lot of people like Trump, because finally you had someone in your corner saying all of these things that you wish you could say to them, and he's saying it.
michael malice
Well, also the fact that this sense of that the vote is kind of a formality.
All the smart people agreed.
No Fortune 500 company executive.
This club from Yale, which has never endorsed anyone from president.
National Geographical, these random places.
Listen, we told you what to do.
Now get in that booth and do it.
And people are like, yeah, I don't want to.
So I'm an American.
I have a finger on each hand and I'm going to use them.
So there you go.
tim pool
I guess we'll see how it plays out.
michael malice
Those debates are going to be amazing.
tim pool
Wow, could you imagine?
michael malice
I can't handle it.
I got to tell you, it's not at all impossible.
Biden does perfectly fine.
It's not impossible.
tim pool
What do you think's going to happen when Trump says, listen, we have had for months far left anarchists in this country.
unidentified
Joe, excuse me, excuse me, Joe, you, your campaign bailed them out.
tim pool
And so did Kamala Harris.
No, no, no.
You supported them.
You supported them.
michael malice
Did you, Posobiec tweeted out that they're thinking Biden's team of having him take a knee I desperately hope that happens.
I desperately hope he takes a knee.
It's just gonna be like, okay, if you want to be signaling to America, go ahead, go do it.
that happens. I desperately hope he takes a knee. It's just going to be like, okay,
if you want to be signaling to America, go ahead, go do it.
tim pool
Trump will...
unidentified
He might pee on you, literally.
tim pool
What did Joe say? Mike Tyson fighting a three-year-old?
michael malice
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Can you imagine that?
michael malice
No, no.
Listen, Joe Biden bested Sarah Palin.
Not that she's a genius, but Paul Ryan was no dummy.
tim pool
Yeah, but this was a long time ago, man.
michael malice
The point is, there is a track record, and he was in the Senate for many years, it's still there in his brain.
So it's not at all a given that he's going to be there and literally crap his pants on stage, as I'm predicting.
tim pool
I think Trump is going to... Annihilate him?
michael malice
It's going to be... You're also forgetting there's a third person there, that's the moderator.
And it's very, very plausible that that moderator will be doing Joe's... being like the switch hitter, or whatever you want to call it, and be like, oh, when he said this, and just completely mischaracterized...
And training the audience.
tim pool
Remember when Anderson Cooper... I can't remember exactly what it was, but he basically answered the question in his question.
michael malice
Yeah!
tim pool
I can't remember who he was talking to, but he was like, this whole thing happened, and here's why, and here's what it means.
Your thoughts?
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like, yes.
unidentified
Thank you.
michael malice
Agreed, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
Let's take Super Chats!
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
We went a little long because we were having a lot of fun, so we'll just try and raise as many Super Chats as we can.
michael malice
Don't speak for me.
tim pool
Yeah, no, my... This is torture!
unidentified
Hell on Earth!
tim pool
First, do you want to mention your show or Twitter?
michael malice
Sure, Michael Malice on Twitter.
My books are Dear Reader and The New Right and YouTube channels, youtube.com slash MichaelMaliceOfficial.
tim pool
There you go.
And of course, we do the show Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.
live, so smash that like button if you have not already.
We are dramatically under-liked, so we would appreciate that.
And let's read superchats.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
So we got Lauren who says, it's a big superchat.
How much?
unidentified
200 bucks.
michael malice
Nice!
tim pool
Russia does not trust the West.
Historically, Russia has always been Western Europe's whipping boy.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
The West picks on Putin because they're punching down.
Remember, we're still in the generation that won the Cold War and got incredibly cocky afterward by building the EU in Warsaw Pact countries.
You have any thoughts on that?
michael malice
Because I'm not... I think he's absolutely right on the money.
I think Russia, one of the things they love... I think it was a lady, Lauren.
It could be a man.
One of the guys who made this is named Lauren, I believe.
One of the things that... why they like Putin and Mother Russia, where I'm from, is because he's restored Russia's status.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I heard he wants to recreate the Soviet Union essentially.
michael malice
I mean that's the big knock against him from like a lot of these neocons. I don't know that's really true.
But he certainly wants to be, recreate the sense of Russia's grandeur.
tim pool
Like a trade federation.
michael malice
Yes, yes.
tim pool
Tassan says, how's it going?
I sent him a message on Instagram.
Name is Tassan.
I hope you see it.
I talked about my opinion and opinion of some of my friends.
michael malice
It is Lauren.
Lauren did make this hat.
Sorry.
tim pool
Oh, excellent.
From the Marine Corps, if civil conflict breaks out, thanks for everything.
I will check that out.
That sounds very interesting.
Thanks for the message.
Sheriff says, hey Michael, which pre-Obama president would have had the best Twitter account?
michael malice
That is a great question.
Let's go through them.
Bill Clinton?
Pre-Obama.
Clinton, I don't think so.
I think Clinton was very phony.
Twitter is much more raw.
It's certainly not going to be Coolidge.
It might be Warren Harding.
Warren Harding was a drunk and a lech.
Well, he knocked up the woman in Britain.
This was like the first contemporary presidential scandal.
Only recently did the descendant take DNA to prove that he was in fact the father.
He was accused of being our first Negro president.
They ran a campaign that said he had Negro blood.
This was proven to be false.
Oh, I know who it would be.
Oh, this is the easy one.
Sorry, Teddy Roosevelt.
Teddy Roosevelt had so many quotes.
I despise him, but he was such a badass and was so aggressive, and he was worried about, like, nincompoops and all these weird terms.
He would be the best one, easily.
lydia smith
Made for Twitter.
tim pool
Akhapat says, Are any of you aware of the recent social justice inroads into the military government?
For example, legally labeling BLM a non-political speech.
What's going to happen during the election if social media really cracks down on dissenting speech?
michael malice
You're much more plugged in on social media than I am, so you're the one who went against Joe Jack Dorsey and Rogan, obviously.
tim pool
Joe Jack.
I think the conservatives are greatly overconfident in their ability to win a conflict because they don't realize their disadvantage in communications.
So I think Verizon and AT&T would ban anybody in a moment's notice.
Oh yeah.
And they would argue national security in two seconds.
So come election time, Mark Zuckerberg has already sided with the narrative of the left that the election is going to be totally fine even if we can't determine a winner for weeks, which is not totally fine.
So what's going to happen is there's going to be impropriety.
We've already seen it across the country.
And I think they're prepping us for it so that we say these things.
Then when we're like, hey, we're seeing these problems, and Trump comes out and says, what's going on in, you know, in Florida is a disgrace, these mail-in ballots they're finding, banned.
Then you'll only ever hear the left narrative.
What's really funny, on Reddit, for a long time there's been a meme called, the left can't meme.
Which I'm sure you've heard of.
michael malice
Of course, yes.
tim pool
Did you know that on Reddit, however, the prominent subreddit that often makes the front page is called The Right Can't Meme.
And it's full of fake memes that no one is sharing.
michael malice
Wow.
tim pool
And it makes it seem like the right is really, really dumb.
michael malice
Although, to be fair, I've seen some of these boomer con memes.
They're awful.
And they are, they're, they're the torture.
It's the literal, human rights violations.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
michael malice
80 pages of text.
tim pool
Right, right, right, right.
But they're not in any way prominent.
Correct.
So where do these people find these memes that no one shares?
michael malice
Well, I think something else that speaks to the question is how they stopped banning people for an extended period of time.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe there's people I'm not thinking of.
But the fact that they went after Carpe Donctum after not verifying him, the guy who makes the memes that the president shares, and they're just like, oh, copyright violation.
They were setting the stages.
You had all these cathedral operatives referring to doctored videos.
It's a meme.
You're all using the same term, doctored, which implies deception.
When President Trump, in a WrestleMania clip, is body slamming CNN, no one looks at that and says, so CNN the network has become incarnate as a person.
With the logo as a head and the president's body slamming him.
This confuses me.
So the fact that they are taking out prominent figures like that should be very disturbing because we're one step away, and I think the EU has passed laws to this effect, where making memes is illegal.
Because that is one of the most effective ways at delegitimizing their authority.
Because it's not, I'm going to argue with you, it's I'm going to demonstrate you're an awful person who should be the object of derision, not someone to disagree with merely.
tim pool
We got another one.
Austin Trammell says, heard rumors of Antifa scouting out small New Hampshire towns.
And I'll make them turn back.
We got a lot of weapons.
How would a regular Joe like me get on the show?
I'm 20 and for Trump 100%.
Maybe many regular people can get together.
Spin the saucer.
So one thing we are planning on doing in the future is getting regular people.
michael malice
Sounds like a nightmare.
tim pool
Well, the challenge is vetting people, but the idea is... I'm really anti-elitist.
michael malice
I'm very pro-elitist.
tim pool
You're pro-elitist?
michael malice
I have a piece of Alexander Hamilton's hair in my house, I'm not even joking.
tim pool
I like the idea of...
Look, I've had a lot of conversations with people who just work normal jobs who aren't into politics.
michael malice
Sure.
They're great people.
tim pool
But hearing what they think is going to be extremely insightful for people when you're trying to track opinions and you've got this class of people that are plugged in, politicos, who read the news all day.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
Our opinions are so far removed from regular people.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
So trying to find... vetting is the problem because you might get some dude who comes in and starts talking about just lizard people and, you know, it's like...
I'm telling you, man, I saw a guy and his eyes went, you know, crazy and I'm like, uh, maybe we shouldn't have done this.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
So just finding, you know, just like regular people who are, you know, they follow the news a little bit.
They're not out of it is one of the things we're going to try to do.
michael malice
I'm doing everything in my power to pray to Loki, the god of mischief, that someone gets past the radar and just trolls you hard.
lydia smith
Why would you do this to me, Michael?
michael malice
It would be so good.
No, I'm praying right now.
Loki, listen, you know you answer my prayers.
Do this for me.
tim pool
The only real concern is finding someone who, you know, it turns out that they're an unrepentant racist and immediately starts screaming insane things, we gotta throw them out.
If someone came in talking about lizard people, I'd be so mad.
michael malice
What if they just told meandering stories that didn't really pay off?
unidentified
They called out the Michael Malish show Yeah
tim pool
So this was, you need to hear this man Because this is really important
unidentified
I was once on my way to McDonald's This is very important
tim pool
When I was walking there I actually came across a dog
Now the dog, I couldn't tell what kind of dog it was But the guy who was with him, his phone started ringing
And I got over here on the phone There was some guy talking about some kind of box factory
Actually I think it was a storage place So anyway that storage place it turns out
unidentified
Oh my god Me and 5 Beans for a Nickel I'd say
michael malice
5 B's for a nickel I'd say.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And they just keep going?
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, that's what I want.
tim pool
We're going to try and find maybe like, you know, regulars for the show that we see and know that are interested.
michael malice
Because do not email me asking to get on Tim's show.
I'm not going to do it.
And if you're a regular person, don't talk to me directly anyway.
tim pool
The only way we'll book you is if... I'm kidding.
michael malice
At his email addresses.
tim pool
Yeah, so we're not at the position yet where we can start actually setting up this, but we're getting really close to relocating and setting up a new temporary studio.
We're actually getting a real studio built.
I'm in this, like, addition on my house, and this is foam insulation with sound foam glue.
lydia smith
This is top of the line stuff, Tim.
It looks cool.
tim pool
The budget for it was like 50 bucks.
So hey, Adam made it.
He did a great job.
michael malice
I love how the UFO cost more than the entire set.
lydia smith
It's true.
tim pool
We just covered the walls because the walls were boring.
Alright, let's read some more of these here Super Chats.
Court J says, has anyone noticed that since they arrested Epstein's girlfriend, we have found and rescued over 50 children?
michael malice
Yes.
It's more than that.
Were you the one who was saying that?
You think she's talking?
I saw someone tweet that out.
tim pool
I didn't say that.
Someone said that to me, and I was like, interesting.
michael malice
Maybe so.
I mean, I don't understand how someone who has, I think, more than one passport, who's like a French national, British national, is in a position to get herself arrested.
I think this is very much a situation where she's like, all right, let's cut a deal.
That's what makes sense to me, at least.
tim pool
Because she was missing.
michael malice
She's not a dummy.
tim pool
And then they finally find her.
michael malice
And there's no, again, there's no footage of the arrest, and there's no perp walk, as I pointed out with Epstein.
Give me a stupid reason as to why there's no perp walk or arrest.
You really want that water, just take it, fine.
Oh, it's 10.
tim pool
I told you, I told you.
michael malice
Let her take it.
lydia smith
It's 10.01pm.
tim pool
So this is important for everybody listening.
lydia smith
It's my supervisor.
tim pool
We normally end the show at 10, and that's when Bucko wakes up, and then he becomes adamant that, you know, you're supposed to be done with the show, give me attention, so here he is standing up.
michael malice
I'll give him attention.
tim pool
There you go.
michael malice
I'm an animal person.
tim pool
We'll read some more of these.
We got another one.
Dreadnought Consultancy says, Michael, you and Tim are the best out.
Can you please clarify your thoughts on McCarthyism?
We're all taught it was a terrible injustice, but I've heard you briefly express a contrary opinion.
He was a turd, but was he right?
lydia smith
Interesting.
michael malice
This is going to be a big part of my next book, The White Pill.
What's amazing is the one time in history where the left got canceled is regarded as a crime on a level of genocide, right?
lydia smith
Oh man, that's true.
michael malice
They talk about McCarthyism.
The House Un-American Activities Committee was the House.
McCarthy was the senator.
And this is something they never forgave Richard Nixon for.
Alger Hiss was a big shot at, I believe, the State Department, and he was exposed as a Soviet spy.
They're trying to make it out that people were fired for, like, voting communist.
These were people who were secretly involved in preparing for the violent overthrow of our government, seizure of all property, which inevitably led to deaths at orders of millions of people, under orders from a foreign Government.
This isn't a mere difference of opinion.
And then, the only bad thing that happened to them is that they couldn't get jobs in Hollywood.
And the fact that the people named... You laugh, but the fact that the people named names and pointed them out was regarded even 60 years later as unspeakable evil.
Who's the evil?
The people who are saying we should have the Holodomor, the gulags, and the secret police here?
Or the ones who are like, you know what?
Let's just stick to the democratic socialism.
tim pool
He is really drinking all your water.
michael malice
I talk about this a lot in my next book.
tim pool
Bucko is chugging your water.
michael malice
Let him!
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Yeah, he's thirsty, huh?
lydia smith
Yeah, I guess so.
tim pool
Yeah, that's what I heard.
I'm glad someone's courageous enough to make fun of Donald Trump.
I am too!
I know, I know.
They said it in an interview.
Producer described the villain as a desperate, self-obsessed, fraudulent entrepreneur who
runs a business selling the American dream.
michael malice
I'm glad someone's courageous enough to make fun of Donald Trump.
tim pool
I am too.
lydia smith
It's really been an issue.
tim pool
It needs to be dealt with.
They were like, the most interesting personality trait a person could have is hating Donald Trump.
michael malice
No, that's a great line!
That's amazing!
unidentified
It's very rare.
tim pool
Vanishingly rare.
michael malice
Maybe Will Chamberlain stole it from somebody.
tim pool
I apologize for whoever said that because I'm not giving credit.
I can't remember.
I said it on Twitter.
michael malice
I love it.
tim pool
I really don't care, though.
Wonder Woman 1984 looks pretty good.
I love the trailer.
lydia smith
I like the music.
tim pool
Just because they say the villain is based on Trump doesn't mean it's going to be a bad movie.
michael malice
What about they try to cancel Gal Gadot because she's Israeli?
I mean, these people are out of their minds.
tim pool
Well, they'll always find some reason to cancel somebody.
Of course.
lydia smith
I would cancel her just for that video she made at the beginning of the lockdown.
michael malice
Oh, I didn't see it.
lydia smith
Social justice.
Imagine.
tim pool
Yes.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
James Degree says, Michael, please use this money to buy something that brings you joy.
michael malice
Oh, that's possible.
How much was it?
tim pool
20 bucks.
25 bucks.
michael malice
Okay.
Thank you, James.
tim pool
And if possible, something that simultaneously annoys your haters.
lydia smith
Very cool.
michael malice
Oh, I just bought some toothpaste, which I'm not allowed to mention probably in this show.
If you go to my Instagram, instagram.com slash Michael Malice, there's some toothpaste, which is not politically correct.
tim pool
Did he, like, eat a bunch of salty food?
Because he is chugging.
michael malice
He's trying to bond with me.
He likes to drink and socialize.
I'm pretty cool.
tim pool
For some reason, he only drinks our water, because I think he trusts it.
Like, I'm not drinking that bowl you gave me, I'm drinking what you're drinking.
michael malice
Oh, you're a good boy.
lydia smith
He's a poison tester.
michael malice
You're a good boy, Bucko.
tim pool
Here we go, the one says, you say media is diverting us when it's you the whole time.
michael malice
Everyone wants to know why we call- Isn't that Shyamalan right there?
tim pool
Everyone wants to know why we call boneless chicken wings, chicken wings, when in fact they are just chicken nuggets, we want answers.
I don't call them that anymore.
lydia smith
Saucy nugs.
tim pool
We call them saucy nugs.
lydia smith
That's right, as we did today.
michael malice
I can witness that that happened today.
tim pool
Yes, but are you familiar with the video or no?
michael malice
No.
tim pool
It's incredible.
michael malice
But they're good.
tim pool
So this guy goes into like a city hall, a city council meeting, Oh yeah, yeah.
And then somebody laughed and he goes, excuse me.
I'm trying to read.
michael malice
Was it a troll or was he on the spectrum?
tim pool
He's trolling.
His dad was on the council.
And then he's like, just for the record, that's my son.
unidentified
Everyone laughed.
tim pool
The outrage is funny, but he makes a good point.
They're just chicken tenders.
lydia smith
I'd vote for him.
michael malice
No, no, no.
They're not tenders.
Tenders are elongate.
And they're finger shaped.
tim pool
Saucy nugs.
michael malice
They're nugs, but they're not tenders.
They're not tenders.
tim pool
I like how he's like, we can call them saucy nugs or trash.
I like them.
michael malice
They're delicious.
tim pool
I know.
I prefer saucy nugs over wings.
That's just me.
michael malice
I don't like wings because they gristle.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
You've got to navigate how to eat it.
Give me that chunk of meat and I'll just pop it in my mouth.
michael malice
I thought you weren't an elitist, Tim.
tim pool
I'm not an elitist.
michael malice
Well, if you prefer the nuggets to the wings, you're clearly an elitist.
tim pool
Look at this guy.
What's he doing?
michael malice
What a good boy.
lydia smith
Best member of the cast.
michael malice
Hey buddy, come here.
tim pool
He's just trying to pressure us.
Dan Nordoff says, No you're not.
You're not losing any friends.
You're losing people who know you.
michael malice
going to lose some friends. No you're not, you're not losing any friends. You're losing people who
tim pool
know you. They're not real friends. People who you knew. I'm just sick of hearing the lies on
the left constantly repeated. Thanks Tim for all that you do from the lone wolf in Canada.
michael malice
He's a Trump supporter.
Stay in your asshole country.
lydia smith
Canada's not cool.
michael malice
How are you a Trump supporter?
You're from a garbage place.
tim pool
Garbage place.
Canada.
Did you know that most Canadians live within like 90 miles of the US border?
michael malice
Yeah, and their population is like 30 million.
tim pool
37.
michael malice
Yeah, it's crazy.
tim pool
It's like California.
lydia smith
So weird.
michael malice
You love this water, buddy.
tim pool
Let's see.
Bassmaster says, you missed the biggest story of the day, Tim.
The release of Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 and 2 remaster.
Oh, that was out today?
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
tim pool
Because I've got it.
I'll download it right now.
I got the demo.
Tony Hawk's great.
Good game.
I like Skater XL.
I think Skater XL is more fun as a skateboarding game, but Tony Hawk is an excellent arcade game.
michael malice
We're going over for this?
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
We're just trying to pester you, Bucko.
lydia smith
That's true.
tim pool
We've got a lot of superchats, though.
lydia smith
Step on the keyboard.
tim pool
We're not gonna... What is he doing?
michael malice
What a sweet boy.
He's marking his territory.
He's being sweet.
tim pool
He's shoving his face into the microphone.
Don't walk on my keyboard, though.
You'll turn the stream off.
All right, let's see.
Okay, so we do the... Well, I didn't think it was legit that they were censoring Rogan or anything like that.
I mean, maybe it came off that way.
That's my bad.
I basically... You heard the story.
michael malice
Of course, Michaela was on that list, and she was on my show this week, and she's like, why am I on this list?
Michaela Peterson.
tim pool
Yeah.
Of course.
michael malice
Oh, you hypocrite.
tim pool
Spotify yeah, I think I think the story's overhyped because Joe's a big target of course and they're like oh you hypocrite
michael malice
That one too, but they're also calling him a hypocrite like oh you don't believe in cancel culture
But you cancel all these people and he probably didn't do anything right of course, but there was a pattern
Do you know why the episodes were we're not I do not have a reason
And there was very clearly a pattern.
Other than Michaela, which was just odd.
tim pool
This person's saying it's not true.
I guess we'll see.
I think Michaela got re-edited, though.
michael malice
She did immediately.
Alex publicly came out.
There's a few others who were there.
I think Steve Aoki was one of them, wasn't he?
It was something really weird.
It was very weird, yeah.
Chris D'Elia I know was one of them.
tim pool
Oh yeah, there's a reason for that.
Commander232 says, Tim I really liked your guest tonight.
A person who truly knows his history.
I myself as far back as the first grade preferred history books over a Disney book at the time.
Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
Ask him about black Americans in the revolution.
michael malice
I only go like modern.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
Sorry, dude.
Well, I'll look up.
I'll look into that.
I've been doing, actually, for the last year and a half, a deep dive in the Harlem Renaissance, which I know more about than almost anyone.
lydia smith
Oh, very cool.
michael malice
Yeah.
lydia smith
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
So we did read a lot of these.
michael malice
What a great question.
tim pool
Thank you.
michael malice
Can I say something about that question because it really speaks to something I think is very important, how the right has failed.
The idea that black soldiers during the Revolutionary War is something that only black people are interested in is insane because this is something that's fascinating to everyone.
What was it like to be a black person in New York in 1776?
None of us have any idea.
Any of us would be fascinated to know that Absolutely.
But because so many conservatives have understandably handed over black history and gay history and women's history to elements of the far left, they are left exposed and allow the cathedral to propagate lies about this history because they are like, well, this isn't my world.
It is your world.
History belongs to any of us.
I'm very inspired by, for example, Zora Neale Hurston, who was one of the Harlem Renaissance writers.
She's a black woman from the South.
I can still read her biography and be like, this person's a badass and she challenges my thinking.
Yeah, absolutely.
And no one would argue otherwise unless you're completely deranged.
So this is a great example of how conservatives are losing because conservatives at its best is studying lessons of history and applying it today.
And there's huge swaths where they're like, well, this is just lefty craft trap.
lydia smith
No.
Yeah.
I don't like that.
tim pool
Dustin Weiser.
Dustin Weiser says North Korea's response to a Biden victory versus Trump's victory.
michael malice
Oh, okay.
I'm the North Korea guy.
So this is hard to suss out.
I think North Korea would see Biden as possibly very, very weak.
They called him, you know, all sorts of names.
At the other hand, they also had called for death penalty for Donald Trump at a certain point.
They would push back against Biden.
On the other hand, he voted for the war.
And my contacts have told me that basically the State Department vis-a-vis North Korea, their strategy going forward, at least in the near future, is to pretend North Korea doesn't exist.
That's extremely disappointing.
One of the things I talk about in Dear Reader, I talk about constantly why I'm wearing this shirt.
Everyone in North Korea, when they leave their house, 25 million, 30 million people, have to wear a lapel pin over their heart with the leaders at all times.
So this, that's the level of, there's so many layers to the oppression in that country.
So this is kind of my thing to show a little bit of solidarity for these poor, poor people.
So I am very, I mean, I hope desperately that if Trump is reelected, he makes it as much a priority as he did in his first term.
His first meeting was with Xi Jinping at Mar-a-Lago talking about North Korea.
And that gave me so much hope because during the Obama years, they didn't do anything.
I can't really blame Obama because it's such a complicated issue.
tim pool
I thought Trump crossing the DMZ into North Korea was incredible.
michael malice
Yes, it was very, very incredible.
If you all want to cry, there's many North Korean families that have been separated for decades because of the Korean War, and there's videos where the evil North Korean government lets them see their family members once in a while, and they meet for a day.
The North Koreans have a minder, and they separate out.
You watch these videos, brothers who haven't seen each other for 40 years, you are going to start crying hysterically.
It's the most touching humanity you can imagine.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
Trump walked into North Korea with no security.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
They could have.
michael malice
So did I, though, to be fair.
unidentified
Did you?
tim pool
Well, you're not the president of the United States.
michael malice
And neither are you.
tim pool
Definitely not.
And I'd be worried about crossing over there.
But for Trump to do that, to me, was very symbolic and important.
michael malice
Oh, yes, of course it was.
tim pool
Yeah.
michael malice
These people are so sick.
It really gets me angry.
When they made that video for Kim Jong-un about being like, look how great you could be the one who frees your people.
And they're laughing because they're like, this is like a sales ad.
I'm like, yeah, you're selling some with nuclear weapons and concentration camps to try to do the right thing.
That's what diplomacy means.
Of course it's going to be cheesy and corny.
tim pool
Who are you talking to?
michael malice
Horrible, horrible people.
tim pool
When Trump tries to avoid conflict with, say, Russia or China, and they mock him for it, I'm like, do you want nuclear war?
The president's not going to be like, F that guy, F this guy.
He's going to try and keep things calmed down.
michael malice
For eight years, we were told that George W. Bush is the worst president ever because he doesn't know how to do diplomacy.
He's just a cowboy firing, you know, armies and missiles.
And then you have a president who's trying to do diplomacy, like, what an idiot, blah, blah, blah.
You people are... The level of contempt I have for these people cannot be overstated.
And with good reason, because we're talking about millions of people who were slaves.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Let's see, 117, BTN says, Ree, Mr. Malice's idea on employment.
I note Elon Musk stated at a recent Neuralink presentation was actually a recruitment drive.
No degree needed, just engineers and programmers to learn on the job.
Okay, everyone's saying buckle for president.
He's under the table now and he's poking me with his foot.
He's like, he's hitting, you know how the cat thing where they go like that?
michael malice
Yeah, that's so cute.
tim pool
And he's yelling down there.
Because we're 13 minutes over, so he knows.
He's like, what is this?
Why do I have to wait for you?
Spaceman Chris says, I've always wondered what would happen if I asked Hispanic demos, why don't Mexicos stay in Mexico and fix Mexico?
They got great culture and art, but I never go over there, even though I look like them, for fear of my son getting kidnapped by cartel.
unidentified
Oh.
michael malice
Yikes.
tim pool
There's, I mean, there's crazy stories about that stuff.
michael malice
Of course, it's no joke.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When Anonymous challenged them.
And then, do you know what happened?
michael malice
No.
tim pool
A couple people weren't, you know the guy, Fox Mask?
michael malice
Yeah, of course, yeah.
tim pool
A couple people, I may be misremembering, this has been a long time so you can look this up, but apparently Anonymous was like, we're gonna challenge you, and then some corpses were hanging from a highway sign with the masks on or whatever.
michael malice
Oh my god.
tim pool
Yeah, they don't mess around, these people.
michael malice
No, no, no, of course.
tim pool
They want you to know that they're in charge.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
unidentified
Oof.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Connor says, point of personal privilege.
Please don't clap.
It hurts my ears and I can't reach the volume button in the position I am sitting right now.
I'm so excited Michael's on today.
michael malice
Is this the opposite of Jeb Bush?
Yes.
tim pool
Please don't clap.
michael malice
Jeb followed me on my birthday.
You know, I woke up at like 5 a.m.
or 6 a.m.
to go to the bathroom because I'm a senior citizen and I checked Twitter quickly and in the verify tab it says Jeb Bush followed you and I'm like, And I'm sleepy enough, I'm like, what?
And I looked, and it was really him, and I DM'd with him a little bit, and it was like a very, very surreal moment, and I asked him on the show.
He didn't want to do it, but I don't blame him.
lydia smith
Ah, man.
tim pool
All right, so I think we've about exhausted our time, so do you want to mention your socials one more time?
michael malice
Just whatever you want to mention.
unidentified
Sure.
michael malice
Twitter.com slash MichaelMalice, and malice.locals.com.
I've got a nice little sleeper cell going where you don't have to worry about your Facebook friends.
What's that?
tim pool
I was like, be careful about those jokes.
michael malice
Yeah, jokes.
How could I be talking about sleeper cells?
Look at my hat!
I'm clearly a silly and not a threat to anyone.
tim pool
Clearly insane.
michael malice
Not real.
So if you go to malice.locals.com, we've got a great community and it's free to join.
People have to chip in to contribute and comment.
And Instagram is MichaelMalice and YouTube.com slash MichaelMaliceOfficial.
tim pool
Right on.
My only question for everybody is why have you not smashed that like button?
michael malice
It has to be a smash.
You can't press it.
tim pool
No, it really does help.
michael malice
He's right.
tim pool
You know, it does.
michael malice
It does.
I'm not joking.
tim pool
You're absolutely right.
But thank you everybody for the super chats.
You know, we try to get to as many as possible.
You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast.
It's right there above me.
And you can check out my other YouTube channels for more content.
There's nothing above Michael.
michael malice
Why is there not one for me, Lee?
You've got the hat.
tim pool
That's good enough.
The hat comes off.
But you can check out YouTube.com slash TimCastNews and YouTube.com slash TimCast for more content.
You can also follow at Sour Patch Lids.
That's Sour Patch L-Y-D-S.
We will be back Monday, but we'll have clips up throughout tomorrow from the show today, and then Monday live at 8 p.m.
So for everyone else, again, smash that like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell, and we will see you all Monday.
Thanks for hanging out.
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