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Aug. 21, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Brandon Straka Is Here To DEMAND Tim Pool #WalkAway From The Left
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tim pool
Tonight, we have a very special guest.
The man who started the walk-away movement.
Is that how you call it?
Walk-away movement?
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon straka
Walk-away movement.
Walk-away campaign.
tim pool
Actually, just introduce yourself.
unidentified
Hi!
brandon straka
Hello, Tim Pool fans and audience members.
My name is Brandon Strock.
And I created the WalkAway campaign.
I used to bristle when people said WalkAway movement because when I started WalkAway it was, well it is WalkAway campaign, but then a bunch of copycat groups instantly came out and they were calling themselves WalkAway movement, WalkAway, and so people didn't know which groups to join.
tim pool
Yeah.
brandon straka
And I was like, it's not the WalkAway movement!
But now I feel like we're pretty established.
tim pool
Right on.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you know, normally I like to just start right away with, you know, some big news story.
But we're sitting here and just the first thing he says is, like, you have to walk away.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And so I was like, OK.
brandon straka
I'm not leaving.
I'm not leaving until you walk away.
tim pool
So this is what we're talking about.
And I think, you know, somebody in the chat said something funny like, let the hate for the Democratic Party flow tonight or something.
Yeah.
I'm fairly confident that's going to be happening.
Quite to a great degree.
I mean, we do that all the time.
Typically, you know, my issue with Republicans is that the establishment is being crushed.
You know, Trump absolutely just crushed them and shoved them out.
And there's still many of them in there.
I don't like the Republicans either.
But the Democratic Party has just gone absolutely insane.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
So there will be this.
And I mean, we'll jump into it.
So before we get started, make sure all of you smash the like button.
So it really does help and you can subscribe at the notification bell and get in your super chats because we will be taking super chat questions for everybody and I think we're going to have a pretty interesting conversation about walking away from the Democratic Party from the left.
What is conservatism?
We've got some stories about about what is liberalism.
Oh, that's a great question.
brandon straka
I want to know that too.
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, yeah, because I think you've tweeted about walking away from liberalism or something.
Yeah.
brandon straka
Well, I mean, I know we're going to get into this later.
I just I know that you still refer to yourself as a liberal.
tim pool
Yeah.
brandon straka
And I really want to get into that with you.
tim pool
A real liberal, you know.
So we will.
So I guess we'll just dive into the conversation.
Normally I do like to just kind of draw the beginning out with like explanations and stuff because I want to make sure enough people have a chance to actually get in.
You know some people are getting notifications right now.
So how about we just start with this.
Why don't you just, for those that might not be familiar as we start, just explain how WalkAway started.
What is it?
brandon straka
Yeah.
Yeah, I think I can do kind of an elevator pitch version of that.
So obviously, I was myself a lifelong liberal, a Democrat voter through 2016.
2016 and I think I started voting in 20... 2000 I believe.
Yeah.
And so I always voted Democrat and I did it pretty thoughtlessly, too.
I mean, even if I didn't know who the candidate was or whatever, just I would go in and check anything with a D next to it, basically.
And for me, I think the greatest reason why I was drawn to do that is because I'm gay and because the messaging and the marketing, I think, of the Democrats and the liberal media and the whole, you know, leftist machine Very effectively is that, you know, Republicans are the party of greedy, self-interested, straight white people and Democrats are the only people who care about marginalized communities in this country like black people, brown people, LGBT people, etc.
And so I sort of thoughtlessly considered myself a liberal and thoughtlessly was voting Democrat.
And then in 2016, I was very excited to vote for Hillary Clinton, which I did.
And I was terrified.
Well, OK, I was.
It was a big joke, basically, that Trump was running for office until it became clear that he was going to win the primary and actually become the candidate.
And then it's like it changed overnight from it being really funny to suddenly Hitler is running for office.
Like overnight.
tim pool
That Ann Coulter clip from Bill Maher?
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
When everyone's laughing at her when she says Trump?
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
That's it?
brandon straka
Yeah, that's such a crowning moment for her, I feel like, to be the only person who was right at that moment.
tim pool
To get laughed at.
brandon straka
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
brandon straka
So I bought into all of it.
I mean, even when they changed the narrative very quickly, which I think that they did.
I know it sounds a little bit conspiratorial, but I mean, I do believe that the media kind of bands together to create the The narratives and the manipulation and you know, whatever it is that you know What what they're gonna be pushing in terms of you know, the narrative of the story and so suddenly it became Trump's a racist Trump's a bigot Trump's a homophobe Trump's a monster and so are his followers and So we have to eliminate this guy.
That's what I think they were going with So when he got elected president, I was shocked and confused and outraged, but more than anything, I was scared.
I was terrified because I really did believe that, you know, as a gay man, I really watched our culture change during the Obama years.
Like, you know, when Obama went, and I'm not saying that's because of Obama, don't get me wrong, but I'm saying when Obama started, there was still a lot of blatant homophobia that was happening and a lot of resistance to, you know, marriage equality, things like that.
tim pool
Right.
brandon straka
But by the time he left, if you were to believe the media, basically we had kind of overcome those things.
Everything had changed, which actually I do think that we have.
But when Trump became popular again, what they were saying was, no, this is a backlash to all the progress that we made under Obama.
And now Trump wants to reverse.
Your rights as a gay person.
He wants to send black people back to Africa Pence wants to throw us all into concentration camps in Pennsylvania and shock us all straight and I did hear all those things to be like no.
tim pool
Yeah, it's some form of that.
brandon straka
Yeah No, I mean it's absurd and obviously I'm you know, not coming across as a great genius here But like I I bought into the vast majority of all of it.
I was like, you know and So I was scared and I wanted to, part of me wanted to punish his base for voting for him.
But the other part of me wanted to just stop being so scared and angry and confused and outraged and all these things.
So I kind of went on this journey of research.
God, this is a terrible elevator pitch.
Is the show even... Are the two hours up?
Are we done?
tim pool
No, you're good.
brandon straka
Good night, everybody!
unidentified
You're good.
brandon straka
So, I kind of went on this journey to try to understand two things.
How did the media get it so wrong?
Because the media that I trusted told me he had like a 3% chance of winning or less.
And why would anybody vote for somebody who's so terrible?
Like, you know, yes, Republicans are obviously the worst people in the world, but I didn't think they were that bad, you know?
tim pool
Right, right, right.
brandon straka
And so I started kind of researching it, and in January of 2017, right around the time he was about to take office, I posted something on social media that ended up changing my life forever.
And I didn't know that it was going to, but again, I wanted to punish people who voted for him.
I was constantly putting out these really nasty posts and, you know, you guys are such idiots and thanks for ruining the world and, you know, whatever.
But in January I posted that I would never be able to understand how anyone could vote for a man who was capable of standing before a cheering crowd and mocking a reporter's disability, right?
Like, what happened to the decency and the soul and just the humanity of middle America?
Like, what is wrong with you guys?
And somebody finally answered me because I was putting all these nasty posts out, but no one would respond.
I was like, answer me!
Why did you vote for him?
Tell me!
And no one would.
So finally, privately on Facebook, this woman named Diane.
Hi, Diane Beck.
My babysitter.
Oh, I didn't even look at the camera.
Hi, Diane.
She reached out to me privately and she just said, look, I'm not trying to start anything with you because we've had a lot of fights.
She's a staunch Christian conservative.
unidentified
Your eyes are just really fixed on that right now.
tim pool
Brandon's a slammer on the table.
unidentified
The UFO keeps falling.
No, that's not better.
brandon straka
She reached out to me privately and she said, I'm not trying to start a fight with you.
I'm just asking, have you seen this?
And she sent me a link to a YouTube video entitled debunking that Trump mocked the disabled reporter.
Have you seen it?
unidentified
I did.
tim pool
Okay.
Because of you, actually.
lydia smith
Yeah, we were talking about this last night.
brandon straka
Wow.
tim pool
I pride myself on somebody who tries to avoid falling for the narrative traps and all that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But it was actually a video you posted where I was like, wait, he wasn't mocking the reporter?
brandon straka
No, he wasn't.
tim pool
I thought he was.
brandon straka
No.
tim pool
And I'm somebody who is always like, I will talk with Trump's reporters.
I don't think they're all that bad.
I don't think Trump's all that bad.
But that was something I thought was true until I saw your video.
brandon straka
Yeah.
You know, when you just said that right now, even again, I got chills.
Because for me, it's not just a moment.
It's the moment that changed my life.
Completely changed my life.
tim pool
What's the gist of the video?
brandon straka
So, it's a compilation video showing Donald Trump in certain circumstances, even before he was running for president.
You know, when he was on Larry King, early 2000s or something.
But it's a it's a compilation of six, seven, eight times when he did that exact same voice and gesture as he did at that rally, which is basically like, oh, yeah.
tim pool
And he goes, oh, with his arm and he's flailing.
brandon straka
Yeah, he's flailing.
And but in every single circumstance, he's imitating somebody who's flailing because they were caught in a lie or doing something shady or doing something dishonest.
But on that day, he happened to be doing it, imitating somebody who really did have a disability.
But the media knew.
I mean, they covered every rally that he did.
And he's done this numerous times at his rallies.
And I think he was imitating Ted Cruz at one point.
I think he was imitating several different people.
The exact same voice and gesture.
But what they did was they freeze-framed when his arm was like this,
and they threw it up on the television screen with a banner that said,
"'Trump mocks disabled reporter.'"
Yeah.
And I thought it was one of the most shocking, sickening things I'd ever seen in my entire life.
And for me, it should have ended there.
Why would anyone be willing to vote for somebody who would make fun of a disabled person
in front of thousands of cheering people?
But I watched this video, and I had to watch it three times
because I had this disconnect between my brain and my heart,
because my brain was going, "'Oh my God, I don't think he mocked
that reporter's disability.'"
And my heart was going, yeah, but we hate him.
tim pool
But we hate him!
brandon straka
Like, and I don't want to see something that makes it harder for me to hate him.
And so I watched it three times in a row and I couldn't make sense of it.
And so I went to bed and I, I just kind of told myself, okay, you can watch it again later.
Don't, you don't have to make sense of it right now.
It kept me up almost all night and I woke up the next day and I opened my computer and I watched it again first thing and it was like crystal clear.
He didn't mock a reporter's disability.
But this presented an even bigger conundrum for me because if he didn't mock a reporter's disability, why did CNN tell me that he did?
tim pool
And what else didn't he do?
What other things the media claimed?
brandon straka
Oh, right, right, right.
I thought that was like a quiz.
He didn't call Mexicans rapists.
He didn't create a Muslim ban.
But Charlottesville hadn't happened yet.
Charlottesville was the first incident that I saw happen in real time after I walked away.
Well, so that's what started this like disconnect for me that, oh my God, there's something wrong here.
And so I started kind of researching how often does this happen?
Like what other things have they lied about?
tim pool
Every day.
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon straka
And I found, I talk about this one a lot because I found this really interesting footage of, it wasn't any like, you know, social media influencers or famous people or anything, but it was a group of black people.
Who had gone to a Trump rally to support him.
And when they got there, they situated themselves in the seats and then CNN moved the camera so that they wouldn't be in the shot.
And they said they were outside of the, after the rally was over, they went, they were being interviewed by people and they were like, CNN just completely moved the camera when we sat down in front of them, because God forbid, people would see black people supporting Trump.
That shatters the white supremacist narrative, right?
tim pool
There's a meme right now, and it says, if they're claiming this man is a Nazi and this woman is a white supremacist, they're brainwashing you, and it's Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens.
You put up the video, I don't remember exactly when, where you mentioned your walk away moment.
And it was that clip and it showed Donald Trump doing the, you know, thing.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And then I, I thought, Oh, Oh, like he, he did make fun.
I thought he made fun of the disabled guy, but he wasn't imitating him for being disabled.
I didn't realize he did it to a bunch of other people.
And then it was a normal Trump thing.
brandon straka
Exactly.
tim pool
But when I saw that I laughed because I was like, you know, the fact that he would
still mock and laugh that way and kind of flail around me, it says to me that he is
bad, but not that bad.
Not in the way they claim he is.
You know, my thing has always been Trump, in my opinion, is not the character you expect to see in the Oval Office.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
And so I've had an issue with the way he would demean people, make fun of people.
I think, one thing I've been seeing recently, he's been improving.
I mean, he did have the Joe Scarborough thing earlier this, you know, not too long ago.
I'm not a fan of that stuff.
I don't like when he, you know, rails on people that way.
But I've been looking, I've been watching his press conferences, I've been paying attention, and he's chill.
He's way chill, way more chill now than he was, and for me that was kind of a big deal.
Not that my vote is determined based on whether or not someone's a potty mouth, Sure.
But it does play some kind of role.
brandon straka
Can I ask you a question?
tim pool
Absolutely.
brandon straka
Why don't you like it when he does that?
tim pool
I think you've got a lot of very, so, it's not professional.
I'm not saying it's the worst thing in the world.
brandon straka
Are you HR, Tim?
tim pool
No, no, no.
And I've had these conversations with Trump supporters, notably, does the president need to be a perfect character, a perfect image?
Should I care if Trump is acting this way if he's fixing the country?
And absolutely, you're completely right.
So policy does come first.
But, uh, so I'm not saying, you know, it's the one thing that really does stop me.
Early on in his, in his, look, he, he hired John Bolton.
That was a mistake.
He had the missile strike in Syria and I said, here we go.
All of it, you know, he was going to be this, this guy.
Now he's not, but he's, he's, he's greatly improved and we can, we can talk about in a second.
But, uh, you know, I don't know.
So, so ask me the question again.
brandon straka
Well, I was just asking why you don't like it when he does those things, says those things, acts that way.
tim pool
One thing is, I'm not a big fan of inefficiency.
And I think if you've got a bunch of people that are looking for excuses, stop giving them excuses.
Try and figure out how to navigate this properly.
And it seems like we often hear about Trump playing 4D chess, where he successfully manipulates, and he does these things that triggers and makes them look crazy.
I laugh, I laugh, I do.
Look, I think Trump is a great entertainer, and I think he's a very, very funny guy.
But I feel like he could be, he could, well actually I feel like he is starting to do it.
He's starting to actually play a better role.
Maybe his history or the smears against him will, you know, hold him back quite a bit.
But I was always thinking like, I've said this several times, if the Democrats put forward someone with Trump's policies but didn't do this kind of, you know, bombastic behavior, they'd probably win.
brandon straka
Absolutely.
Well, and the reverse could have been said in the past, too.
I mean, because I always used to think Republican, you know, as a Democrat and as a liberal, I thought to myself, I actually think that Republicans in many ways have better policies, but they have such terrible PR in a way.
You know, I mean, there's such a toxic image that Republicans have.
But this kind of brings it full circle, because the reason why I asked you that question about why don't you like it?
is because I didn't used to like it either.
I mean, this is someone who literally hated Trump.
And then, you know, something that's important for people to understand is,
I didn't walk away from the left straight into Trump's arms.
I mean, there was, I made a decision in March of 2017 was the day,
the final straw for me was when Rachel Maddow got on Twitter and said,
I've got his tax returns.
I've got his tax returns.
No, really, I've got his tax returns.
Now I'd been researching for two months up until this point, like religiously.
And I had found just a whole Bible full of examples of the media lying, manipulating,
race baiting, using, you know, hate crime hoaxes, things like this.
It was all piling up for me and I was literally like completely out the door.
And then all of a sudden Rachel Maddow gets on Twitter and she says, I've got his tax returns, I've got his tax returns.
And I thought to myself, this is really bad, but I'm just, I'm being honest.
I was like, OK, if I tune in tonight and she's got some smoking gun about his tax returns, I'm going to forget about everything I learned the last two months.
And I'm going to get right back on the I hate Trump train.
I'm just going to like cognitive distance.
I'm just going to pretend like it didn't happen.
Like that's literally was my mentality.
And I really thought there was a chance too.
So like, and she did that pretty early in the day.
So we all had to wait like hours to tell her show was on.
So we sit there and I'm sure you saw it.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
brandon straka
She vamped for about 45 minutes, just literally talking gibberish about nothing.
And then finally in like the last segment of her show, she produced two pieces of paper, which showed that he paid his taxes in 2005, like $35 million or something.
tim pool
She got roasted for this because it made Trump look good.
brandon straka
Yeah!
tim pool
And one of the conspiracy theories was that the Trump camp actually seeded these because they knew she couldn't resist and they knew it would make Trump look good and it would do exactly what you experienced.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
It was total bunk.
Yes.
Real quick, you know about the Durham report?
They're investigating the investigators for Russiagate.
brandon straka
Okay.
tim pool
Rachel Maddow was obsessed Every day, Russia, Russia, Russia.
Well, we got big news, Rachel.
They actually arrested a lawyer who was, I guess, essentially fabricating evidence to go after Trump, and she didn't cover it.
brandon straka
Interesting.
tim pool
That's the game.
brandon straka
That's the game.
tim pool
Yeah.
Look, I've worked for these media companies.
I know what they're interested in.
And it's not honesty.
It's attention.
It's anger.
It's rage.
So all of these fake stories about Trump, it's a goldmine for them.
brandon straka
Well, and then the other thing that they'll do too is if the opposition ends up finding evidence of their own wrongdoing, then they just start attacking the character of the opposition or, you know, planting seeds of doubt in the evidence.
I mean, and she's crazy.
That woman's insane.
I mean, she was, during the Russian thing, she was, I watched her show a couple of times.
You can only stomach it a few times, but.
I watched a few of her shows and she was going back and she was really obsessing about Nixon and trying to draw a connection between Trump and Nixon and you know and that's basically I think that she knew that the evidence was so flimsy or evidence you know against Trump that what she tried to do was get everyone all riled up about Nixon and then just be like oh and by the way Trump's like Nixon you know and that would be the end of the show.
tim pool
Transfer all that hate over like build it up and then send it to Trump.
brandon straka
Right, right.
So I'm sorry the reason why I asked you that question is because I finally walked away in March of 2018 and then it was probably another five or six months before I became a Trump fan.
And the reason why I became a Trump fan is because I developed a hatred for the media.
The media that I once loved.
I loved Rachel Maddow.
I loved Anderson Cooper.
I loved that stupid idiot Don Lemon.
I love all of these horrible people.
Well, he's just the worst.
The thing about Don Lemon is, like Rachel Maddow, I think, and even Anderson Cooper, they're savvy enough to know what they're doing.
It's intentional manipulation.
I don't believe that Don Lemon actually knows it's a lie.
I mean, when he goes on TV crying every day and freaking out, he literally thinks that the country is overrun by white supremacists.
He's not in on the meetings when they're like, let's run this narrative tonight.
He just is reading from the teleprompter.
I don't know if I remember.
Oh, so when I finally discovered how much I hate the media and how toxic they are and what they're doing and the ways especially that they're manipulating minorities and stuff, then I started to see That this rhetoric from Trump and his take no BS and, but it's not just take no BS.
I mean, he's, he's a troll.
He's a funny, funny troll.
And it's like, it's so empowering to all of these people on the right, conservatives, who a lot of these people, they're just living day to day, paycheck to paycheck, trying to figure out if they're going to have enough money to pay their bills next month.
Can I send my kids to college?
Meanwhile, They're getting called Nazis, racist, white supremacists.
They're getting called privileged.
They're, I mean, they're getting crapped on every day in the worst possible way.
Demeaned, just dragged through the mud and they have no voice and they have no power.
And here you've got the most powerful man in the office trolling his ass off on their behalf.
And it's beautiful.
It is the most gorgeous, beautiful thing about being alive right now.
I love this man.
tim pool
I think the like it is, to clarify, I think it's hilarious.
When Trump won, I had my feet up.
I was laughing.
I could not stop.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Oh, absolutely.
brandon straka
Who did you vote for?
tim pool
I didn't vote for anybody.
Why?
Obama, man.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice.
So I was like, I'm not playing this game anymore.
I'm so over this.
I was chilling in D.C.
with Cassandra Fairbanks.
She was on board for Trump, surrounded in this newsroom by a bunch of Democrats.
They were gloating, and they were the perfect example of snooty elitists, like, Trump is gonna lose, oh, he's so pathetic.
When they announced he was gonna sue because Nevada was coming in or something, they were like, here it comes, and I started laughing.
And then we were watching the New York Times had this meter that was pointed all the way to Hillary Clinton, 99% chance of winning.
It slowly started moving up towards Trump.
And Cassandra, you know Cassandra, right?
brandon straka
I do, yeah.
tim pool
So Cassandra's watching this, and she's like, oh my god, it's going up for Trump!
And then I remember when it crossed to 50-50, and we were both looking at each other, I wasn't in the bag for anybody.
I was so fed up with the Democrats, because I felt like Obama spat in my face over war stuff.
And so I was like, I don't like Hillary.
I was really mad about Bernie, because I was big for Bernie at the time.
I was like, Bernie is this consistent guy.
Oh, that's very different today.
But anyway, so I was like, Hillary's about to get her comeuppance.
I will laugh if Donald Trump wins.
The meter starts going further and further.
And then when it got to the point where it was like, Trump is gonna win and nothing's stopping it, I just started laughing.
Everyone in the room is like crying.
Cassandra was crying tears of joy.
Everyone else is crying tears of like shock and sorrow and I was just laughing.
brandon straka
Taking off their I'm with her stickers.
tim pool
You know what it was for me?
It was, man, it was cathartic.
It was like, you get this.
You play dirty games and now you lose.
brandon straka
So good.
So did you think he could win before he won?
tim pool
You know what's interesting is Part of me always felt like he would win, but I felt like the machine wouldn't let him win.
brandon straka
Interesting.
tim pool
I still, I feel that way right now too.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
Like everything I see all the time, the Democrat, like Biden, he's not even, I don't know if you saw my tweet about it, but it seemed, I said, you know, Biden-Harris is kind of like when you're in a rush and your socks are dirty, so you grab two random ones out of the drawer.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
And you're not worried about impressing anybody at the Dairy Queen anyway, so you don't care and you walk out.
It just, it's, it feels like they don't care.
Like they're just like, eh.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
But part of me still feels like with all the mail-in voting stuff, everything they're doing, that they're gonna play dirty games to try and shut him out.
brandon straka
I think so, for sure.
Can I tell you a funny little anecdote about the media?
Of course, of course.
unidentified
Okay.
brandon straka
So, you were talking about all the people in the press room were being so arrogant.
I have a good friend who works for a very popular national morning TV show on ABC that
rhymes with Pudge Morning Shamerica.
And very, very liberal.
Big Trump hater, she is.
And after I'd had my conversion, she and I were having dinner.
It was very tense.
She's actually really cut me out of her life.
She's one of like 90% of my former friends who cut me out.
But she did, we did have a dinner together after that and I was trying delicately to explain to her how biased the media is.
Now I didn't think that she would take this personally because she's kind of on, I mean she's more on like the production end, but she said to me, She's like, well, I, you know, I'm, I am the media.
And she was like, I just, I don't agree with what you're saying.
And I take that very personally.
And I'm like, well, I'm sorry.
I don't know what to tell you.
But I was like, I think that there's really clearly bias in the way that the media covers and handles Trump.
And she was like, I know.
And she goes, and then she goes, well, she goes, I guess on election night, we did not even bother to create the Trump graphic if he won.
unidentified
Whoa.
Yeah.
Wow.
brandon straka
They created the Hillary graphic, but they didn't even bother to create the Trump wins graphic.
tim pool
So we've often talked about how, like, how did the media miss this?
There was a study that was done, I've cited several times, from I think it's the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, that found the Beltway bubble is worse now than it was in 2016.
Okay.
So they're doing the same thing.
You get Meet the Press going on and saying like, oh, Joe Biden, he's gonna win.
Trump's only got a 17% chance of winning.
And I think I think her name is Savannah Guthrie.
I'm not sure.
She's like, we've heard this story before.
Why should we believe it?
And they're like, oh, don't be silly.
Joe Biden's gonna win.
The Beltway reporters.
They shouldn't even be running polls after what happened in 2016.
doing is playing a game of telephone with each other all day every day.
Right.
And so they just keep recycling the same garbage information without actually Googling anything.
brandon straka
But they shouldn't even be running polls after what happened in 2016.
They should be so poll shy at this point.
I can't believe they're still going with it.
tim pool
Well, the poll thing is interesting.
It's because they don't know how to actually poll Trump's base.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
And so they've admitted it.
Straight up admitted it.
And right now, there was an article from Politico that said, we still don't know how to accurately poll Donald Trump's base.
And I'm like, then why are you polling?
If you put out the poll, our margin of error is 10% because we can't, you know, we don't know how to contact these people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, Trump's base was new voters.
So, I think what really helped me and prevented me from, you know... Actually, let me put it this way.
You know, Bernie Sanders and Trump had a lot in common early on.
And so, for me, right away, I'm on the ground, I was covering these Trump rallies, I was meeting these people who were going to the rallies, and I was hearing a lot of them say, you know, Bernie has said these things too, so we like him, but he's kind of too far left for us and we want a businessman.
And then after Bernie Sanders lost the nomination, I actually met several Trump supporters who flipped from Bernie to Trump, who said straight up their biggest issue was NAFTA and the TPP.
I met one older guy who said, look, I work at a factory, I have kids, the factory is going to shut down next year.
Bernie Sanders said that he was going to end TPP and deal with NAFTA, and that would have saved my factory.
So I had one guy met him, I think this was in Janesville, Wisconsin, who told me that Because Bernie Sanders was a politician who had the experience.
He thought he was the right choice, even though he was really far left.
And then once Bernie got the boot, Donald Trump was his only choice.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
There's a lot of people I met like that.
brandon straka
Yeah, I've met those people too.
And I think that a lot of people are surprised when they hear people, for a lot of people, there's a closer gap between Trump and Bernie than there is between Biden and Bernie.
tim pool
Yeah.
brandon straka
That is a further leap for a lot of people.
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon straka
Hillary Biden.
tim pool
I went to a bunch of these rallies, and I remember one from Fort Lauderdale.
I was talking to this woman, she was very nice, and she told me that she had not voted before.
And she was like middle-aged, and she's like, I've never voted for anybody in my life, I never cared.
And then Donald Trump came around and started talking about issues that matter to me and my family.
And now we're all here having a good time.
We're barbecuing.
They were having hot dogs.
Having a good time hanging out.
Trump is hilarious.
I think a lot of people on the left, they really don't want to admit it, but the man is a funny guy.
brandon straka
Oh, he's hilarious.
Sorry.
tim pool
I was going to say, the one thing I love was when he made fun of himself for being orange.
He's like, the lights in this room, they're making me look orange.
It's hilarious.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
So, you know, for me, I didn't want to vote for anybody because I felt like, you know, I'm going to vote for somebody.
And then in the first couple of years, Trump, he brought on Bolton, you know, he brought on some people he should not have brought on.
He was getting involved in drone strikes, missile strikes, but he's cleaned up his act.
Absolutely.
Now he's now I think he's, wow, no new wars and actually trying to end the, you know, the war in Afghanistan and Iraq and the establishment is trying to shut him down.
That makes me really angry.
brandon straka
Can I ask how you feel about his handling of coronavirus?
tim pool
I think it's fine.
I think, yeah, absolutely.
I do too.
It's strange to me how many times we hear people say, he should have done a better job.
What?
He runs the federal government.
He banned travel from certain areas.
He addressed the nation.
And now it's up to the governors to decide what is the appropriate level of action.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
Joe Biden announces, we're going to do a mandatory national mask mandate.
You don't have the authority to do that.
brandon straka
Right.
Well, and it's also, I mean, look, I know a lot of people say, oh, we shouldn't be politicizing.
It's already politicized.
It's already political.
And let's not pretend like it's not, you know, governors on the left who want to keep everything shut down, who are pushing more.
I mean, people on the right are like, let's go.
Let's get let's get back to work.
Let's figure this out.
But then the people, you know, it's the Democrats who are also saying, Trump ruined the economy!
Trump ruined the economy!
Well, no, coronavirus ruined the economy, and you want to keep the economy ruined by keeping everything shut down, and then you want to blame Trump because you want to keep everything shut down.
Exactly.
tim pool
We're in New Jersey.
We're in the Philly Burbs.
The Atlas Gym is about five miles away.
brandon straka
They arrested those two guys.
tim pool
I looked at all the data.
I'm looking at what the scientists are saying.
And many are speculating now we've reached herd immunity a long time ago.
Yet, why are they still locking down?
Deaths are way, way down.
Hospitalizations are ridiculously down.
Asymptomatic cases have popped up a little bit.
Starting to go back down again.
Yet they're still saying it went from 15 days to slow the spread to 155 and we're not doing anything until we have a vaccine.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
When were we ever trying to prevent everyone from getting sick?
brandon straka
I've been asking that question a lot.
And why are we also now that...
Look, the number one thing that we should be looking at is deaths.
That's really, honestly, all that we should be caring about.
I don't care if there's seven billion cases, if the majority of them are going to recover and everybody's going to be fine.
But the death count is not really rising at any significant level by any metric.
And so why now are people becoming so deranged about mask wearing?
And these, you know, I mean, from our culture and our society, people are becoming Absolutely nuts.
And I'll tell you something, too.
I travel a lot in my work.
A lot, a lot.
And I've said New Jersey is the most COVID deranged state in the entire country.
People are out of control here.
I had like three incidents and one wah-wah.
One guy, four feet tall, came up to me and threatened to beat the hell out of me.
tim pool
For not wearing a mask?
brandon straka
For not wearing a mask.
unidentified
Wow.
brandon straka
Yeah, and it was like this huge incident and everyone in the Wawa wanted to get involved in it.
And I was just like, and he's like this close to my face, pulling his mask down so I can hear him as he's threatening to beat me up.
tim pool
For not wearing a mask.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
There's a park not too far from here we went to, nobody was wearing masks.
brandon straka
Well, that's good.
Good.
I'm glad.
I wish there was more of that in New Jersey.
tim pool
Well, the thing to me is like people wearing masks in their cars and outside.
That to me, look, I wear a mask.
brandon straka
Those are my favorite people in the car by themselves.
tim pool
I have no problem wearing a mask in stores.
I think it's not even an issue to me.
I don't care.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
I go to the Home Depot or whatever and I just pop it on.
I mind my own business.
I leave.
I take it off.
But it is the people who are outside who are acting like we're living through the apocalypse.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
And that's a level of derangement that is very scary to me.
Yes.
My theory as to why this is happening, the media doesn't allow conversations that challenge orthodoxy.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
Within reason.
Like, they will ban conservatives, they will ban people of moderate opinion, they'll even ban liberals who challenge the status quo.
It's all about maintaining that fear and that paranoia because it's like an uncontrollable mob that demands it.
If you come out and you say something like, we've got Harvey Risch of Yale, MD, PhD, saying hydroxychloroquine can help.
Not a cure, but it can actually get us through this.
And they panic and they freak out and they ban the videos, they shut it down, even though Newsweek published him.
And then it's a huge panic fiasco of how dare you publish this article.
If the only acceptable opinion is that the world is ending, then the only thing anyone's ever going to hear is that it's worse.
It's worse.
Every day it's worse.
Even though it's not worse, it's getting better.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
But even with all the charts, it's still the apocalypse.
No, we're not opening up until we have a vaccine.
We flattened the curve.
The curve cannot be any flatter.
Actually, New York, I think, New York City had no deaths yesterday.
Actually, so I need to fact check that.
Fact check me on that one.
But if that's the case, then there's no flattening anything.
There's no curve anymore.
It's literally nothing there.
brandon straka
Right.
Well, you know, people talk a lot about how, you know, in our society today, you know, young people are not taught how to think, but just what to think.
They don't really know how to think clearly for themselves.
In a way, I think that kind of carries over into society at large because, you know, the whole, and look, I'm no great scientist, don't get me wrong, but I know that the whole point of scientific theory and, you know, hypothesis and hypothesis and experimentation is, You rule out what does not work.
You don't start by saying, this is the right answer and no one's allowed to challenge me.
So I mean, why we're telling certain doctors who are contradicting the narrative, why we're shutting them down, banning them on social media and canceling them rather than testing their theory and saying your theory is bunk, this doesn't work.
tim pool
It's crazier than that.
Breitbart got their video removed and they were just reporting on a press conference.
By all means, I think some of the things I said were absolutely incorrect.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
Like, I do not believe it's fair to say that hydroxychloroquine is a cure.
I look to Harvey Rich, MD, PhD, because some of the doctors actually cited him, and he says it's just something that would help if used very early on.
That's what he said so far.
Don't take my word for it, and I always have to preface this, just talk to your doctor.
My opinion, you should not be coming to me, you know, dude on the internet for an opinion.
No, you should actually talk to your doctor about it.
They'll give you the better advice.
The bigger issue is that news outlets are actually getting shut down.
The conversation gets silenced.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And then regular people are sitting there watching CNN with only one allowed opinion.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
It's worse today than it's ever been.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
You hate life.
Life is miserable and everyone's dying.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
And then regular people out in the middle of the country throwing the football around.
They're going to barbecues.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
Everything's normal.
brandon straka
Now, when you're talking about masks and kind of how you feel about it, how do you feel about these jerks who don't wear them on airplanes, people like that?
You.
tim pool
You.
unidentified
Who?
What?
tim pool
I'm going to be completely honest with you.
I absolutely saw this happen.
I rolled my eyes and I'm like, why didn't you just wear a mask, dude?
brandon straka
OK, can we get into it?
tim pool
Absolutely.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
I rolled my eyes.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
And I was like, just wear it.
Come on.
brandon straka
Stupid Brandon Strock.
tim pool
No.
brandon straka
Stupid walk away idiot.
Always looking for attention.
tim pool
Not wearing a mask.
brandon straka
Yeah.
No, that story was very much misreported and there's kind of like a dual side to it too, which was, it was one of, in all of my trials and tribulations since I started WalkAway, and there's been a lot, that was the most helpless, honestly, I've ever felt because almost no one from the conservative media came to my aid when, I mean, it just, it was spinning out of control and fast and it went international.
I was, I was on the airplane because they took me off the flight and they actually put me on another flight.
And by the time I landed, uh, it was on CNN.
Wow.
Yeah.
People were sending me screenshots that had my name, my picture, and it was, yeah.
And I was like...
So, what actually happened, and maybe you'll disagree with this too, but I just want you to know what actually happened.
I was on the airplane, and like I said, it's not unusual for me to travel every week, sometimes multiple times a week.
And up until that point, I had never worn a mask on an airplane, ever.
And no one had ever said a word about it.
It had never been a problem.
And also, I wasn't the only one.
Maybe even the majority were, but I was not the only person not wearing a mask on the plane.
And I fly a lot, so I know that on every flight up until that point, they would make an announcement at the beginning, please be courteous and respectful to those who are unable to wear a mask.
So clearly, it's their policy that not everybody has to wear a mask, that some people cannot, and you should be courteous and respectful to those who cannot.
So, I had never worn a mask, I had never been asked to wear a mask before on a flight, and I was doing nothing out of the ordinary on that day.
I was on the plane, we were very close to taking off, and this overzealous flight attendant walked up to me and said, literally, this is how the conversation began.
First comments I ever got, she said, Sir, you need to put on your mask right now or you can't be on this plane.
That's what she said to me.
And I said, that's not true.
And she was like, it is true.
It is true.
She was like, you need to put on a mask right now.
I'm removing you from this flight.
And I was like, you can't do that.
She said, yes, it's the law.
I said, it's not the law.
And she was arguing with me about it being a lot.
And I kept saying, that's not a federal law.
It's not a law that you have to wear a mask.
Now, this is where I involved myself and how stupid it got because I got so my
ego got so involved in the argument about whether or not it was a law that I probably should have just dropped it. That
would have been the right thing to do because I really I was just annoyed by her tone. I was annoyed by her aggressiveness
and she was wrong. It's not a law.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
Uh-huh. She's...
Flight attendants can tell you what to do.
Absolutely.
Within reason, but if a flight attendant walks up to the captain and says, remove that man, you're out.
unidentified
Absolutely.
brandon straka
Yeah.
Absolutely.
But we hadn't gotten that far yet.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
brandon straka
She was just telling me you have to wear the mask because it's the law.
Right.
And so I was arguing with her about that.
So she went, she got another flight attendant who came back and this flight attendant decided to start in with the same thing.
She's like, sir, the law is that you have to wear the mask.
And I was like, I just said, it's not a law.
It's not a law.
You know what I mean?
And again, I'm not saying I'm right here.
I was being stupid and I was having a, you know, a petty thing where I wanted to point out that there's a difference between law and policy.
And I didn't like their tone, whatever.
So once I got to the point where I realized I was like, this is really dumb.
I just said, look, I just want to point out.
I was like, none of you have even bothered to ask if I might have a medical condition that prevents me from being able to wear a mask.
And they still didn't ask.
I mean, they were still just kind of like, so into the.
tim pool
We're going to win.
brandon straka
We're going to win.
That's exactly what it was.
So they left, the two of them left.
When they came back, they brought the pilots and they brought a manager from American Airlines.
And the manager from American Airlines was like really not feeling me.
Like from the moment she walked over, like just, and see, this is another thing that bothers me too, in this age of like mask wearing and COVID.
Anybody in the hospitality industry has given themselves a complete pass to just be a total a-hole whenever they want.
I mean, you walk into a restaurant, you walk into a hotel, where's your mask?
Put your mask on!
I'm like, can you still not just be like, good evening, sir.
How are you?
Welcome.
Our policy here is that you have to wear, like, you know, none of that anymore.
Now people are just giving themselves carte blanche to be the biggest jerks that they want to be.
So the manager walks up to me and she had an attitude right from the beginning and she was just like, she was like, you know, I hear that you're refusing to wear a mask and whatever.
And I'm like, that's not even it.
I was like, your staff didn't even bother to ask me if I might, there might be a reason why I can't wear a mask.
And then the passengers were getting agitated at this point.
Let's go, let's go.
And that was the moment where the woman said to me, I'm taking you off this flight.
And I was like, whoa.
Wow.
Okay.
And I gave, I put up no resistance.
I put up no argument.
I gathered my things and I left the flight.
And when I got off the flight, I went to the man, a different manager who was waiting outside and I explained the situation and that manager said, wow, it sounds like, you know, that was not handled very well.
And I was like, yeah, I agree.
And then the, the, the manager that came into the plane who was, had an attitude, she came up to me and she said very quietly, she was like, Did anyone from our staff ask you if you had a medical condition?
And I said, no, that was my point all along.
And she was like, okay, well, they really should have.
And I was like, yeah, they really should have.
So they booked me on another flight.
I thought we were good.
tim pool
Wow.
brandon straka
They said to me, um, will you wear the mask on the plane?
And I was like, fine, I'll wear the mask on the plane.
I got on the plane wearing the mask.
I had a lovely flight with no incident.
When I landed, CNN was covering the story.
tim pool
How did they find out about it?
Did you post about it?
brandon straka
Because there was a reporter on the plane.
unidentified
Wow.
brandon straka
Next to me.
Creepy.
And he tweeted about it.
And then they picked up the story from his tweet.
So when I landed at my connection, there was another manager from American waiting for me.
He was waiting for me at the gate.
He apologized.
And he said, it sounds like this all got really blown out of proportion.
And I said, I agree.
I thought we were good.
I thought it was over.
Uh, it became a huge story because I think CNN broke it and literally within like 24 hours, it went international.
And I mean, it was really bad and I have a thick skin.
I mean, it, it didn't hurt me or anything, but it was, you know, they, they went through my videos and they found like, look how expressive I am.
Right.
So they freeze phrase moments where I'm like.
And they used that as the cover photo and they're like, Trump supporter refuses to wear a mask on plane.
And I think the story got so big at that point that then American Airlines called me about two or three days later and said, you're banned from the airline.
unidentified
Wow.
brandon straka
That's what happened.
So this was never a thing about me feeling that a private company doesn't have the right to make their own policies, whatever.
For me, this was just a thing that your policy is that some people cannot wear a mask.
So don't you feel an obligation to ask a person if there's a reason why they're not wearing one, rather than tell them, put your mask on or get off the plane, because that's not your policy.
tim pool
Not only that, there were tons of stories about how airlines weren't enforcing mask policies too.
Right.
My thing was very much like, look, I think I saw a video from you, and then I saw the story, and I very passively looked at it, and I was just like, just wear the mask, whatever, man.
But it is interesting, because you could have just said, sorry, and put a mask on.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
But what if she, like, to what degree is a request unreasonable or inappropriate of a flight attendant?
So, look, I'll tell you this.
I just put the mask on I got someone sent me this really cool mask a little beanie on it
Yeah, I don't I don't really care that all that much so for sure I definitely rolled my eyes at the story, right?
brandon straka
But well, I'll be honest with you. I am absolutely one of those people who sees the mask as
an exercise in compliance that we're it is to wear it especially to be forced to wear
it when you don't want to wear it is a sign of submission to
belief system that I don't believe in to a theory about this virus that I do not accept and I don't believe in at
all and And so I don't want to be a part of that.
And I admit that.
However, I cannot stop traveling.
If I stop traveling, I have no movement.
And so I have to comply with the private policies of airlines at this point to be able to do the work that I have to do, and I hate it.
But it's either that or let's not have walk-away before the election, which I think is not a good idea.
tim pool
That, I totally understand.
I often tell people, hey, avoid swearing on the show because we don't want YouTube to get an excuse to shut us down or anything like that.
And there are certain things I can't say.
Notably, a CIA character, if you say his name, the stream will be shut off instantly.
That's insane to me.
Newsworthy and everything.
But the way I see it is, do I have a better shot at letting people know what's going on by talking about all these things, or should I just get angry and shut it all down overnight because I refuse on something like saying a name?
brandon straka
Yeah, you can't do that.
You can't do that.
Now that you know the story, have you changed your mind about how you feel about it?
It's okay if you haven't.
tim pool
Which, about you?
brandon straka
About the airline.
tim pool
A little bit.
brandon straka
I still think you're a jerk.
tim pool
No, I think you were being assertive.
I totally understand the, don't come to me and tell me, don't make up a fake policy and come at me, or don't exaggerate the policy, or don't disrespect me.
Like you said, you're not seeing people saying, I'm sorry sir, it's our policy to wear a mask.
They're coming at you in a very aggressive manner.
If someone came to me and got in my face, you're less likely, you know, you get more flies with honey than with vinegar, right?
brandon straka
Certainly.
tim pool
Let me tell you one quick anecdote.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
I got physically assaulted on an American Airlines flight.
They refused to do anything to help me.
brandon straka
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, I was boarding a plane and usually, this is really really funny, you may notice that I just kind of, you know, wear an unbuttoned shirt not tucked in with a beanie on, so I probably don't look like someone who should be flying first class.
I was standing.
I always do this.
I have, as many people have jokingly referred to me, some kind of obsessive-compulsive whatever.
I get up about 20 minutes before every flight, and I get in line.
I want to get in, I want to get my carry-on in, and I want to get out of the way as fast as possible.
I don't want to be stuck behind anybody else, and I don't want anyone stuck behind me.
So my thing is like, if I'm in the first boarding group, I'm in, I'm down, and I'm out of your way, and you're out of my way, and we're good to go.
So I get in line, and this old couple walks past me, and I'm literally, like, standing.
They're about to call, you know, the first group.
They walk right in front of me to stop in front of me.
And so I was confused, and I assumed when they called, you know, group one or whatever for first class, they just stood there.
And I was like, they must be coach.
They must have just, you know, they're cutting in front, whatever.
I walked past the guy, and he snapped.
unidentified
Hey!
tim pool
I started yelling. I walk up, she scans my ticket. They were first class. His wife shoves me.
And I jolt forward and then I turn around and I was like, uh-uh, no way.
And I told them that that lady just like physically attacked me.
What they said was, okay, we can pull both of you off the flight.
Or you can shut up.
brandon straka
Well, you shouldn't have been shoved like that.
unidentified
It's your fault.
tim pool
I shouldn't, I shouldn't have, exactly.
You're asking for it, Tim.
And so, they brought me, you know, we went to the plane, and they were also sitting, you know, a couple rows back in first class, and the lady was livid that I was allowed on or whatever, and like, I always sit in the bulkhead, so I was like seat 1A, and I was furious.
Like, I complained for quite a while.
I was like, I was attacked by this woman who was angry because she cut me in line, and I didn't do anything, and then now you expect me to get on this plane and say nothing.
Otherwise, you're gonna kick me off the plane.
And they said, or we'll have you both arrested.
So, needless to say, I have, you know, I can understand your frustration and getting, you know, pushed around a little bit.
But, uh, I was a dedicated American Airlines flyer before that happened.
Everything.
Nope, not anymore.
brandon straka
Well, it's interesting, too, because I...
Like I said, I fly constantly, and maybe I just wasn't paying attention before, but now I notice that their flights are cheaper than everyone else's.
Every time I have to book, I'm spending hundreds of dollars more every week.
unidentified
You could have just put the mask on.
brandon straka
I know!
I told my assistant, Paul, I was like, just write him a letter and tell him whatever they want to hear.
Just be like, he's sorry, he feels bad.
Just tell him whatever they want.
Hey, United's not that bad.
tim pool
Yeah.
United's not that bad.
So, let's do this.
Let's talk about WalkAway.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Because you sat down, and I said... Short question.
Short question.
So, when you first got here, I was like, you know, normally what we like to do is we like to grab, like, the relevant news stories that might matter to you.
So we just had the DNC.
It's kind of perfect you're here.
We kind of had, like, an un-DNC week.
We had Carrie Smith.
She's liberals for Trump.
We had Jack Murphy, Democrat to deplorable, and now you're here.
And then you were like, you have to walk away.
brandon straka
You do.
tim pool
You have to walk away from them.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But you said, from the left.
And I was like, what I said was, I walked away from the Democrats, I think, officially, like April or something, when I was like, I am done donating to these people.
I donated to a few of these, you know, a few of these Democrats because I thought we needed to try and salvage, you know, find some people who are challenging the Democratic establishment to make sure the party doesn't fall into, you know, the hands of the, you know, the Dark Lord or whatever.
Right.
But then what happened?
So, look, I think Tulsi is great, and I donated to her, and I was straight up like, Tulsi is the right choice because she's willing to bridge the gap with Trump supporters, talked with Tucker Carlson, she's very anti-war, I love it, and then she supported impeachment, although I think she ultimately abstained, or whatever.
She got snubbed from the DNC.
Go figure.
You can see what they do to Tulsi and how they treated her.
I don't think they can be salvaged, at this point at least.
And then Yang went right on board with all this stuff too.
And I just felt like the people that I thought I was going to support, who were going to try and push back on the absurdity, joined right in the moment they had the opportunity.
And I should have learned my lesson with Bernie Sanders.
You know Bernie doesn't say millionaires anymore?
brandon straka
No.
tim pool
Bernie Sanders used to say, the millionaires and the billionaires in this country.
And then guess what happened?
brandon straka
What?
tim pool
He became a millionaire.
brandon straka
Oh, right.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden, he just started saying, the billionaires.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, because I'm like, dude, you can be a millionaire and still call out extreme wealth and influence in politics.
No, he got right on board.
He's supporting Hillary.
You know, he supported her.
He supported Biden.
And I was like, what is this?
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
He was supposed to be the honest guy.
And I believed in him.
And then I remember this moment on the debate stage when when Bernie said, if you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor.
And that for me, I was like, excuse me, dude.
I was like, I'm from the South Side.
I thought this guy cared about working class people.
South Side of Chicago.
I thought he cared about working class people.
I thought he was fighting for unions and these traditional values that the Democrats are supposed to support.
And then he had the nerve to get up there and say white people don't know what it's like to be poor or live in a ghetto.
Someone I knew when I was a teenager Died of a heroin overdose.
Other people have been shot and killed.
And guess what?
They were white.
They certainly knew what it was like to live in a ghetto, and I was extremely angry Bernie Sanders said that.
Then when he lost, he went and endorsed Hillary, and I was like, get outta here!
It's exactly the problem.
Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice, it's just gonna keep happening.
So I didn't vote for anybody.
But now I'm angry.
For a lot of the reasons you probably said.
Look, I worked for this media company.
They told me to lie.
They didn't explicitly say, hey Tim, go lie.
They said, side with the audience.
I asked, if that means that there's a news story that would be offensive to our ants, we don't report it?
And they said, yes, that's fair.
So what does that mean?
That means if you're watching a fight between antifun, say the Proud Boys, I better not let the audience know that the Proud Boys were only defending themselves.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Because that would offend the audience.
unidentified
Yes.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
So then what do we report?
Antifa was viciously attacked by a proud boy.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
That's how everything plays out.
And I said no to it.
They put me in golden handcuffs.
The money was great, but I couldn't do anything.
Contract ended.
I was out.
I started my own thing.
I actually went to a bunch of these other companies.
After I left, it was called Fusion.
It was ABC News and Univision Joint Venture.
I went to a bunch of the New York companies.
They all knew me.
They all loved me.
And I saw what was going on in those offices.
I saw these people who were lying on purpose for money, that were playing dirty games, and I said, appreciate the offer.
And I left.
brandon straka
Aren't a lot of them also there for kind of altruistic reasons and have their hands tied
themselves that they're kind of taking orders from the top about what they're supposed to,
what the narrative is or what they're supposed to be saying.
They don't want to actually be doing it.
No, not at all.
tim pool
The way it works is that they would never hire you because they know what you say.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
They hire people who say, who already talk the way they want.
Right.
It's just that simple.
A lot of people seem to think that these journalists are being forced to do it.
No, no, no.
The journalists that don't want to do it quit or get fired.
And then they hire people.
They'll ask them in the interview, how do you feel about Trump?
Oh, I can't stand him.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Well, this is a tech reporting.
unidentified
You're hired.
tim pool
You're hired.
Exactly.
And that's how it rolls.
brandon straka
Wow.
tim pool
So, here's the question I had.
You said walk away from the left, though.
I mean, I can rag on Democrats all day and night, but I don't see my political opinions changing, for the most part.
I will say, with all of the chaos and destruction in a lot of these cities, at this point, even though my policy ideas and opinions, some of them are pretty, you know, deep-seated, because I've thought really hard about certain issues, you know, freedom, pro-choice, taxes, and things like that.
But, I'm willing to give the Republicans a go of it in big cities, because the Democrats have completely failed.
They're corrupt beyond recognition at this point.
I mean, you look at the big cities, and it is... Bill de Blasio, giving his wife a $2 million staff, meanwhile he's gonna lay off EMTs.
It's like, I get it, man.
A $2 million-a-year staff isn't going to pay for every single EMT, but you can hire a lot of them?
Nope.
Nope.
My wife needs these people to film her baked cookies.
Then you look at Garcetti in LA.
What's he doing?
He says, we're going to shut your power off if you have a peaceful assembly.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
That's unconstitutional and a violation of human rights.
brandon straka
Not just a peaceful assembly if you have too many guests over to your house.
tim pool
Well, that's what it is, a peaceable assembly.
It's the First Amendment.
The Constitution doesn't say what you can assemble for.
It says you can assemble.
unidentified
Period.
brandon straka
Yeah, but we're not even talking about in a public place or a public venue.
I mean, I'm not allowed to get coronavirus if I want to at somebody else's house.
That's not my choice anymore.
tim pool
Well, look, I can understand wanting to prevent COVID, for sure.
And it seems like we had a really big problem earlier this year, and it was kind of scary.
These Fraser trucks in New York City, a lot of bodies being pulled out.
Italy brought in the military to bring bodies out.
It seems like we did get hit by something, and it seems like it's mostly gone, mostly herd immunity.
To be fair, I understand we're locked down.
And the reason we may still be seeing very little uptick is because we are locked down.
But to me, we were told 15 days to slow the spread, not stop COVID.
brandon straka
Correct.
tim pool
Which means, these cities, these states, you look at South Dakota.
They're having a great time barbecuing.
They threw a parade for their governor.
Their GDP is improving.
Kristi Noem rejected the stimulus that Trump, you know, the executive order stimulus because she's like, we don't need it.
Our people are back at work.
Now, I get it.
It's not, you know, as population dense as, say, New York.
But New Jersey's arresting people.
brandon straka
Right.
unidentified
Still?
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
This is, this is insanely corrupt.
Insanely corrupt.
brandon straka
Well, and there's no acknowledgement either that New York, New Jersey, I mean the vast majority of the people who died, died in nursing homes.
tim pool
I think, I think it's like 40 something.
42%.
brandon straka
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
The plurality, I suppose.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know.
So, so what do you, what, what is, what do you mean when you tell me to walk away from the left though?
brandon straka
Well, you kind of just started to transition into, I guess what I would have said is that, you know, a lot of people say, people have a lot of opinions about, obviously about what I do.
And some of the things that people say to me is that, you know, you've got to, you've got to distinguish the difference between a liberal and a leftist.
It's not the same thing people say.
It's true.
Okay.
unidentified
Maybe.
Yeah.
brandon straka
Okay.
Actually I can get on board with maybe that that's not true.
However, I was just having this conversation, I think last night with somebody else.
Um, I make the analogy of Black Lives Matter, okay, which is pretty apt these days.
So there are Black Lives Matter protesters that are peaceful, for sure.
There are a lot of Black Lives Matter rioters and people who are out committing acts of violence, vandalism, have murdered people.
And somehow I'm expected to distinguish the difference between the two.
Or I'm expected to take someone at their word when they say, well, yeah, some of the people are doing that, but I'm one of the good ones.
Or that we somehow have to just acknowledge that it's a big movement.
Some of it's bad, some of it's good.
Let's ignore the bad and let's just focus on the good.
It doesn't work that way.
For me it doesn't work that way whatsoever and I apply the same exact logic to the left in general.
I don't want to hear about how you're one of the good liberals and that you're not like the other people from the same party or the same sort of ideology that you consider yourself to be a part of because once you have people in your political movement Who are beyond just race baiting, beyond telling lies, beyond creating narratives in the media that are so divisive and destructive, but are actually out looting, stealing, shooting, burning things to the ground, destroying cities, killing people, you name it.
I'm not going to sit here and play this game with you.
But I'm a good liberal.
I'm not a leftist.
Get the hell out of there, dude.
Cut and run.
tim pool
Hold on.
brandon straka
Cut and run.
tim pool
Liberal means something.
And it's been really corrupted by everybody.
brandon straka
Black Lives Matter means something.
tim pool
It absolutely does.
So if someone was a white nationalist and they called themselves a conservative, I could apply similar logic.
Well, I'm not going to listen to you as you try and tell me you're one of the conservatives who's not on board with that, you know, fringe ideology.
So it doesn't work that way.
You know what I mean?
brandon straka
Well, unfortunately, though, with the example that you named, we're talking about like 65 million voters and like a few thousand that are actually white supremacists or white nationalists or whatever.
And I don't believe that the discrepancy is that great in the Black Lives Matter movement or liberals in general.
tim pool
I think you're right.
I do.
I think you're right, especially with that argument.
There are substantially less white nationalists and supremacists relative to the bulk of the conservative voting bloc in this country.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
So I hear your argument.
I don't want to give up what liberalism literally is.
brandon straka
But you don't have to.
You don't have to.
That's the thing, you know, my values haven't changed whatsoever, with the exception of a few policy issues, which might be a really big deal to some people.
You know, things like the border.
I've changed my opinion completely about a border wall, border security, or illegal immigration in general.
I would have been for it before, and now I'm not.
tim pool
But, you know, even Bernie was talking about building border barriers and dealing with illegal immigration back, you know, 10, 12 years ago.
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, they all were.
And Hillary Clinton said, we need a border barrier.
So for me, when Trump came out with the wall, I was like, and?
It's just what the Democrats, and then also the Democrats opposed it.
brandon straka
Right.
I think a wall is a little stronger than a barrier.
And that's where they were just like, well, it was fine when it was, you know, a barbed wire fence.
tim pool
crawl over. But then when Trump actually builds bollard fencing, they complain,
well he was supposed to build a wall. What do you care for?
That's the funny thing about the wall.
Very early on, Trump was prototyping out these big concrete walls. And then ultimately,
ICE was like, well, we need to be able to see through it.
And he was like, oh, so we should do Yeah, but we'll do multiple layers and we'll reinforce these select areas.
And he did the right thing!
They yelled at the man because he wanted to build a wall.
He ultimately said, okay, we won't do a wall.
We'll do select bollard fencing, triple layers, and key areas to reduce smuggling and trafficking.
And now they're laughing, saying, haha, he never built the wall.
Right.
It's funny because they always say that conservatives just want to own the libs, but of course the libs just want to own the cons.
It's the same game.
brandon straka
But you don't have to give up your values.
And I mean, maybe there's a few examples you could name that do fall in opposition to republicanism or conservatism.
tim pool
So this country, if you look at the actual philosophy of liberalism, it's republicanism and it's liberalism together.
They're complementary.
Republicanism in the sense that we have elected leaders from various areas with different jurisdictions.
We are a constitutional republic.
We use a democratic election process for our representatives, and the country is founded upon liberal ideals.
Not liberal the way it's been construed today, though.
I'm talking about classical liberalism.
Sure.
So for me, I guess it's fair to say the way we describe liberals in this country has been wrong for a really long time.
What the Democrats used to be, at least for a brief period, was social liberals.
You have social liberals and classical liberals.
Social liberal describes me very, very well.
A center-left, I believe, in real social justice, which is like the Civil Rights Act.
The left is trying to get rid of it.
So it seems like... I've noticed one thing.
A lot of conservatives, even Trump, will say, the liberals, the liberals.
And I'm like, it's not.
Like, the people who believe in liberalism, like, even social liberalism, not classical liberalism, mostly agree with the conservatives.
It's the leftists and the people who are lying and stealing that name.
I mean, look, Antifa spray-painted on the wall, liberals get the bullet too.
Many of these people Hate liberals the progressives.
They don't like liberals either.
They make fun of liberals every day because Center-left is not far left enough for them.
So what's really fascinating to me is conservatives will talk about liberals and you know slam liberals and all that stuff and And then on these Antifa forums, I love it when they make fun of me because they call me a liberal.
They know I'm not a conservative.
But these weirdo resistance types who are trying to push for Biden and the Democratic Party hate the fact that I am, and so they call me conservative.
It's just not true.
Antifa on the far left, they know I am, and they hate me for it.
brandon straka
So I don't want to give up, you know, the real... I feel like you're having an identity crisis right here before our eyes.
I feel like it's all happening.
Because I think that I don't think that they hate that you're a liberal and you're not left enough for them.
I think that they hate that you are a conservative.
Now.
tim pool
I have a question for you, Brandon.
One second, but are you saying that conservatism has changed?
brandon straka
Well, conservatism has become much more socially liberal.
I think that the biggest issue is that I would not be a conservative today if people were still homophobic or if there was a lot of bigotry.
And there are certain denials on the right that bother me sometimes.
I have people come up to me and they say, we were never homophobic!
I'm like, give me, girl, give me a break.
Come on.
Uh, but the thing is, it's just not like that anymore.
There are not that many people who care.
The thing that they're not going to budge on, well, and that's not even true either.
I was going to say abortion.
Um, there are many conservatives now who will say, look up until three months, I can live with it.
But the Democrats, you know, life begins at kindergarten at this point.
They're, you know, they're like, you can abort up until, you know, right before preschool registration.
Uh, and it, it's gone way, way, way too far.
So it's just, this is common sense.
Yeah.
tim pool
Here's the problem.
I have a lot of generic wedge issue values that are aligned with social liberalism.
I do think there's such a thing as systemic racism.
I think that the left will not tell you the truth.
So we can't actually have real conversations about problems in this country and ways to solve them because they want socialism and they're manipulating our emotions around racism and identity to get what they want.
So, I actually do like social programs.
I am pro-choice.
There's a lot of things where I'm like, this is, you know, always where I've been and I've thought really, really hard about these things.
I didn't just make it up one day.
The issue I take is, if I just say, you know what?
Conservatives have become more encompassing and, you know, like the things you said about social liberalism are socially liberal in certain ways.
What happens then is if someone like me just starts saying that, you know, like a person
like me is conservative, then the wheel is turning in favor of the left.
That means they are taking the reins and turning their fringe cultist ideology into mainstream
when people like me give up where we've always been because I am not a conservative.
I take all these tests.
I am center, I am left libertarian, pretty, pretty decently left libertarian.
I do have strong moral foundations across the board.
So it's a very center-left idea.
I took the Hidden Tribes test.
That one says I'm a traditional liberal, and another test says I'm a left-leaning independent.
If I just say, okay, fine, you know what?
I give up.
I will be on that side, then the wheel rotates, and the far left moves closer to mainstream center.
And I refuse to let them take the middle of the Overton window.
brandon straka
See that?
Okay.
That's very, very fascinating to me.
So it sounds to me like for you, the battle, if we draw a line down the center, right?
Here's everybody on the center and the right.
You feel like the battle is here.
Whereas I feel, first of all, I feel like I was pushed over here against my, I didn't even, against my own volition.
But regardless, now that I am here, to me, the battle is here versus here.
And maybe there is a microcosm over here, but I think there's a larger battle.
I mean, we're talking about our country and our culture and our, you know, it's heady, big stuff.
And this is, again, why I think I didn't necessarily become a Republican because I think Republicans are so awesome.
And like, this is the party I can't live without.
I became a Republican as a defense, I think, against how far-fringe the left is going.
I think that if there's any hope of righting the ship, excuse the pun, we have to vote red.
I agree.
We have to.
tim pool
That I agree on.
brandon straka
The things that bother me about Republicans, it's more administrative and organizational than it is policy, necessarily.
I've seen with my own... Here's an example.
In not even two and a half years, I created a movement, and there's literally hundreds of thousands of people who have joined this movement.
They've made testimonials.
They've written stories.
They've made videos.
We have them.
There's proof.
I have never received a phone call from anyone in the RNC.
Love what you're doing.
How can we connect on this?
Nothing.
I mean, it's like I don't exist.
tim pool
There's no organizational power.
brandon straka
Right.
Now the left would be like, that's because they hate you because you're gay.
And it's like, no, no, no.
It has nothing to do with that.
I think that they're completely out of touch with what's going on on the ground.
Because it's not just me.
tim pool
That I agree with.
brandon straka
There is a number of incredible activists who are doing amazing work.
I promise you none of them will be featured on the RNC convention this coming week.
I probably won't either.
And not that it's about the exterior, because Republicans don't really care about the exterior, and I don't care about the exterior, but we have amazing black, brown, LGBT people who are doing incredible work, like just over, really since Trump got elected, because Trump really created this earthquake that shook a lot of people awake, myself included.
But it's like the Republican Party, they're not getting the gift that's being given to them right now of all of these amazing activists and all of this, excuse the term, diversity that's kind of coming their way.
I think that they just kind of have this idea that, oh, well, let's just keep playing by the same playbook and hope for a different result.
tim pool
The left that's been taking over the Democratic Party are the organizers and the activists.
They know exactly what to do.
They have strategies, they have plans, they have media manipulation strategies.
I know many of these people from back during Occupy Wall Street.
Many of them aren't as active, but I know people who explain their propaganda, their strategies.
There's one really obvious strategy.
They will throw a rock at a cop, and then when the cop swings back, they press record.
What do they publish?
The cop swinging at people.
brandon straka
Of course.
tim pool
That's just very, very obvious stuff.
It works.
Republicans don't know this game, and a lot of the people who came out for Trump who've never been involved in politics before don't know any of politicking and how these dirty games are played.
So what ends up happening, and we've definitely talked about this on the show before, you've got these accounts run by leftists, and they direct people to take action.
So, let's say, you know, you are seen in this video on an airplane not wearing a mask.
All of a sudden, these high-profile accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers send a message out to everybody, send this email to American Airlines.
AA gets inundated with 50,000 emails saying, ban this man from the flight.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
And then they do.
brandon straka
And then they do.
tim pool
Conservatives don't have those things.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
Because a combination of not being hardcore activists, many new Trump supporters not being in the political world, and they're also individualists.
Conservatives hate protesting.
brandon straka
What a wonderful segue into Walkway's Rescue America rally.
No, no, but honestly, though, you're absolutely right about that, which is part of the reason why we are doing these rallies right now, because a major adjustment that I had to make when I did leave the left and come over to the right.
Was that very thing.
It's very, very difficult to motivate people into action on the right.
Now, there are a couple of factors at play though, too, that we have to acknowledge and deal with.
One, there are much more older, more older people are conservatives than are liberals.
And young people have nothing to live for.
They don't care.
You know, it's like, I'm 19 years old.
Let's go bash windows and let's like burn stuff down.
Who cares?
I've been in jail for a long time.
I think going out into the streets and standing up for themselves.
And what conservatives tell me all the time, and I'm really making it a huge part of my messaging, particularly this year, to rally against, is they say, well, we don't really march, we don't really demonstrate, we don't really rally, but we vote.
We vote.
And I'm like, well, that's fantastic.
Good.
I'm glad that you're voting.
But while you're voting, the left is taking over every aspect of our culture.
tim pool
Exactly.
brandon straka
They're taking over academia.
They're taking over entertainment.
They're taking over the media.
They're taking over social media.
Every aspect of, you know, and you're losing your voice.
You've pretty much lost your voice, but every single day it's getting worse and worse and worse and worse.
And what I've been telling people, and the reason why I think that we're having a good amount of success right now with these rallies that we're doing in different cities all around the country, I say, for those of you who don't understand the point of going to a march or going to a rally or demonstrating, think back less than three months ago.
If somebody had told you, I'm going to run for office, am I banging?
tim pool
Oh, you're good.
I mean, you're probably banging, whatever.
brandon straka
Okay.
If somebody had told you less than three months ago, I'm going to run for office and my platform is going to, I think it's really good.
I think you're really going to love this.
My platform is going to be, I'm going to defund the police.
I don't want any police.
I don't want them to have any money.
I want to do, I want to do, let's just have social programs and no police.
People would do what you just did.
They would start laughing.
Right?
Three months ago.
tim pool
Yep.
brandon straka
Three months later, we quite literally have the president, the presidential candidate, and any number of Democrat candidates around the country running on a platform of defunding the police.
People are defunding the police.
tim pool
Let's absolutely clarify this, because they play dirty, dirty games.
Joe Biden was asked specifically, would you be in favor of reallocating funding from police, you know, to outside groups or whatever, and Joe said, yes, absolutely.
Later on, he said something contrary.
This is a game they play where they're for both at the same time, so they can claim it's not true what you just said, but he was asked the direct question.
Then they'll say, defund means literally get rid of the police.
Of course Joe Biden doesn't want that.
He just said to reallocate.
Then the Brookings Institute says, defund just means reallocating some funds from the police to other programs, quite literally what he was asked.
They're not for anything.
Correct.
brandon straka
Except trends, whatever happens to be trending.
You know, we didn't used to have social media, so I think it was harder to gauge the trends back then.
I think now they literally go on Twitter and they're like, what's our platform today?
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Today we're against Chick-fil-A, tomorrow we're gonna be, what's some other, Papa John's, he's gone, no more pizza.
Then they said the Pledge of Allegiance at the DNC.
brandon straka
What, is it racist now?
tim pool
No, no, they literally said that.
brandon straka
Oh, they said, oh, okay.
tim pool
I'm like, wait, how are you gonna support all these people calling for rewriting our history with the 1619 Project?
They're tearing down statues of George Washington, Jefferson, Hans Christian Haag, these heroes of the Civil War, Ulysses S. Grant, and then you're like, oh, but they should be allowed to do it, they're peaceful protesters.
Now let's say the Pledge of Allegiance.
What's the duplicitous but to the most absurd degree possible?
brandon straka
Yes, and this is, I made a little note earlier when we were talking because this is another observation that has become crystal clear to me in the last year or two, being on the other side, having this new vantage point, is that Democrats, if you'll notice, are allowed to evolve.
You can show footage of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden saying that they're against gay marriage, gay people shouldn't be allowed to... And now, when it trended past 50% of social acceptance, now they've evolved.
But Republicans are not allowed to evolve.
If a Republican ever did anything 20, 30 years ago, whatever, then that's the way it is and it's never going to change.
Just very quickly, what I don't understand is, If you are a gay person, or if you're, you know, I'm just saying that as a gay person, wouldn't you want the Republican Party to evolve?
If you're so scared of homophobia and you're so scared of the Republican Party's hatred, you should want them to evolve, but they won't let them evolve.
I mean, Republicans say all the time, we don't care about this stuff.
We don't care.
Yes you do!
You're a liar!
You're just trying to... No.
They really don't care anymore.
At all.
tim pool
Have you ever watched American Dead?
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
So there's this really funny episode where... It's like one of the early episodes where Stan finds out that... I forgot the name of his neighbors.
They're gay.
They're Republican so he loves them, but then we finds out they're gay he freaks out, but then he has a revelation
He runs to the RNC and he says I realized something these men didn't choose to be gay
But they did choose to be Republicans. Yeah, that was one of the funniest things I heard
I was like, it's a really good point. It is a good point. I I think
You look at their groups like the log cabin Republicans back then when the when the platform was considered to be
anti-gay Yeah, even trying to be a part of a party that had platform
position against them allowed them to you know Swing the vote
It allowed them to share certain values and become more socially liberal.
Yes.
Exactly.
Absolutely in order to make the political party change you want to be involved
I think it's actually a good argument for many liberals to actually become officially Republicans because you will
make the Republican Party more Liberal in the true sense right sense. Yeah, and I don't
brandon straka
think see and and that was part of I guess my point Too is that Democrats it seems their platform is based off
of whatever is trending at that moment Even if it's 100% contradictory to whatever they believed
last year or three months ago or whatever Whereas, I think the reason why, you know, Republicans have kind of a PR problem is because they really, they evolve on the things that I think do matter, like, you
Like, society at large evolved on racism.
Society at large evolved on homophobia and things like that.
But the core values that Republicans have don't change.
You know, they don't... They're about the Constitution.
They're about the sovereignty of our nation.
And, you know, I don't even think that that many, especially under Trump, I don't think that that many conservatives are about pushing their religious beliefs or... Oh, that's changed.
A lot.
tim pool
It's become very libertarian.
brandon straka
Yeah, I was actually afraid for a long time to criticize religion when I was speaking to Republican groups because, you know, I grew up a Catholic and went to Catholic school my whole life.
So religion was very much a part of, you know, the doctrine with which I grew up and what I learned.
And that's actually what taught me to be very much against religion, which I still am.
But so I have no problem.
I love that people have faith.
Even if it's a faith I don't believe in.
I think faith is a beautiful thing in and of itself.
You know, but it's when you start grouping with other people and beating other people with your faith, I think it becomes a big problem.
tim pool
Like what the left is doing.
brandon straka
Yeah!
tim pool
Their dogma.
brandon straka
Exactly.
tim pool
The cult of intersectionality.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
Getting people fired from their jobs, demanding they bow, putting... Now, and you can see the signs when they send emails with pronouns and stuff.
I understand you want to respect, but that is a sign that you were a part of this cult.
And it's growing beyond just what a cult is.
I mean, I guess it's not a cult because there's no, you know, dear leader.
But then what is it?
A religion?
A faith?
A non-theistic religion?
brandon straka
Yes, it is.
It's a cultish, religious... I mean, when I was... I mean, we're already living in the Twilight Zone enough with the masks and then every store that you walk into.
Due to COVID, blah, blah.
You know, it's like they're making these announcements constantly and you're just like, my God, Twilight Zone, Twilight Zone.
But when I was, I don't watch sports, I couldn't care less, but I was in a restaurant, I was in a restaurant waiting for my table and they had a basketball game on and I saw Black Lives Matter painted on the basketball court.
And I was like, this is literally like a Twilight Zone.
Like we're living in a really scary and it's every, Black Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter.
And pretty soon, like everything is, you know, Brought to you by Black Lives Matter.
tim pool
I mean, yeah, there was a, I can't remember who tweeted this, they said their kid turned on their Xbox and a message popped up saying, do you support, like, you must support Black Lives Matter, like, here's a note about what it means, like, press X to accept.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
And a bunch of movies and outlets.
After the George Floyd incident, Civics shows this massive poll, support for Black Lives Matter skyrocketed.
And something really interesting happened over the next few months.
With the riots not being stopped, with Democratic politicians supporting them, opposition started to skyrocket.
So right now I think it's like 37% opposition for Black Lives Matter and 49% support.
Really?
So it used to be a year ago, there was more opposition than support.
And then over the past year, Black Lives Matter support started to go up, opposition went down.
Then with George Floyd, a major drop in opposition, a major increase in support.
But then with the riots, it slowly started switching back.
And that's why I think they tried to blame Trump for all the violence, but it was helping him.
Trump sending in the feds to defend the courthouse in Portland.
People want law and order.
We have a Rasmussen poll showing 50% of people want the police to crack down on the riots.
All of a sudden, now they're doing the pledge.
Joe Biden comes out and says, oh, these people should be found and arrested too little too late.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
I mean, what's Joe Biden's trying to steal Trump's platform now?
Build back better.
China bad.
brandon straka
Right.
Well, you know, and we're living in this bizarre time where on a daily basis, We're seeing violence like I never dreamed I would ever see taking place in the streets of this country.
And it's not a random incident.
This is happening every single day now.
Yet, the left is hanging on to this narrative of, you know, white supremacy and the violence of the right.
I just posted on Twitter the other day, thank God for those guys back in 2016, 2017 that were holding those torches.
Because if it wasn't for those like 16 guys, the left would have nothing to hang on to.
tim pool
Sarcastically.
They're going to clip that one.
brandon straka
No, no, sarcastically.
I'm saying thank God for the left that they have that.
unidentified
Right.
brandon straka
Because literally we still have to look at those images from like 2016 of those like 12 guys with torches and they're like, oh, the violence of the right.
I'm like, I can't even open my Twitter for five seconds without watching somebody being, having the hell beaten out of them or somebody's, you know, and they act like it's not even happening.
tim pool
I love how they play this false narrative where it's like, you know, far-right extremists have been responsible for, you know, 436 deaths in the past 10 years and Antifa's responsible for zero.
I love how they just arbitrarily pick groups and then act like this is the metric by which they're good or bad.
So mine is...
Antifa is responsible for 7,336 violent assaults, and Tim Pool is responsible for zero.
brandon straka
So you're perfect.
tim pool
Yes.
It's like, look, you can pick any group and any metric, and Greenpeace is responsible for zero.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
Well, Greenpeace does nonviolent civil disobedience, but I can compare any group I want to any group and then choose a random metric to make something sound good.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
Just because there's extremists who kill people doesn't mean Antifa is good.
The rioting from Black Lives Matter over the past several months killed 30 people.
And they act like it's not happening.
And Joe Biden gets up.
You see what he did at the DNC?
He's very clever.
Because they're starting to figure out it's bad for them when they lie about the Very Fine People hoax, he played a semantic game.
He said, I want you to remember all those people marching in Charlottesville with the torches and the look in their face, and I want you to remember what Donald Trump said.
They were very fine people on both sides.
He skips over a bunch of key context.
brandon straka
Of course.
tim pool
So here's one moment, and here's Trump saying some words.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
I want you to remember, here's what I want you to do.
I want you to think about What those people looked like and what they were doing.
And now I want you to remember what Donald Trump said when he tried chocolate ice cream for the first time.
He said, this is great.
It's like, it's a totally random, it's like out of context.
brandon straka
There's nothing to do anything.
tim pool
Trump said that the Nazis should be condemned totally.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
And he said there were some people that just didn't want to see the statue come down.
Regular people.
He also said there were troublemakers on the other side and some good people too.
So I tweeted this earlier, I'm like, if the Very Fine People hoax were real, Trump was saying Antifa was good people.
How come the media doesn't say that?
brandon straka
Excellent point.
tim pool
It's only the right wing, even though he arguably said both.
He said both sides.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Trump supported Antifa.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
Imagine if that was the narrative.
They can't use that, though.
brandon straka
Why is it that when a handful of legitimate, you know, white supremacists, whatever, go out into public and do something which, again, is incredibly rare?
We rarely hear about this actually happening.
tim pool
It's just that they're really small.
There's not a lot of them.
brandon straka
There's not a lot of them.
Yeah, well, but doesn't that kind of fly in the face of the white supremacy takeover narrative of the left?
tim pool
Do you know what Vox wrote?
brandon straka
They write a lot of stuff.
tim pool
Something like, it was like, you know, 20 million Americans hold alt-right views or some ridiculous, it's like...
Dude, I think it was Ricky Gervais, I'm not sure who said, it's okay to have things in common with really bad people, just not the really bad things.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
He's like, he said something really funny, like, I enjoy, uh, he says, he said, I'm an atheist, and I, actually, no, I don't know if that's true, but he said something like, I enjoy vanilla ice cream and petting my dog, just like Hitler.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
Like, that's the joke.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like, those things are, look, you know who else drank water?
Hitler did.
brandon straka
If we're talking about the KKK, in the 1920s, the KKK's membership peaked at about 4 million members in the KKK.
And at that time, the population of America, I may screw this up, was either 140 million or about 180 million.
Let's split the difference.
160 million, something like that.
So, 4 million out of 140, 160 million people were in the KKK.
Today, the population of the United States is 328 million people, and there's about 5,000 people in the KKK.
unidentified
5,000.
tim pool
So, I've looked over the numbers from the ADL.
If you want to be kind to that number and expand it to include peripheral white supremacy groups, the total number, I think, is like 12,000.
12,000 people in a country of hundreds of millions.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
Now, to be fair, I don't think Antifa is particularly large either.
I'd say their numbers are probably comparable.
However, is the media defending and protecting Antifa when they go out and they beat people?
And is Black Lives Matter, a major national organization with a top-down structure that receives massive donations through ActBlue, And that has people marching through streets for 85 days in Portland screaming Black Lives Matter, smashing things, and when looters romp through Chicago, you know, a week or two ago, smashing up stores, shooting into windows, trying to rob Gucci, and then Black Lives Matter literally came out the next day saying, looting is reparations, and we want these people freed.
There's a big difference between what Black Lives Matter has been doing, with 30 dead throughout the riots, and the white supremacist groups that are fractured, that aren't really, you know, organizing anything substantial, You see, here's what I try to explain to people.
The far-right, or whatever that's supposed to mean, I don't think it means anything, it's just what the media says, because if you go to the ADL's website, they give you like four definitions of far-right.
Anti-government, white supremacist, that doesn't make sense.
But whatever these extremists are, they're few and far between, they're extremely unwell, they're violent, and they commit extreme acts that capture the news cycle for a week plus.
Antifa goes out and does low-tier terror, where they beat people and shake them down, threaten them, smash windows.
Look, if you went outside and some dude in a hoodie punched you in the face, it's not going to make CNN.
But because they do this every day, dozens of times throughout the country, it's extreme pressure put on regular people and businesses.
They know it exists, but the media never covers it because it never crosses the line.
Recently, there was a dude in Portland, you may have seen the video, he kicked that guy in the face.
That crossed the line.
All of a sudden, it started to bubble up in the conversation, and what happened?
Black Lives Matter, I think it was Black Lives Matter, denounced it, saying it was discrediting their message.
brandon straka
Interesting.
tim pool
But they tried to avoid crossing the line, but still doing enough damage to make sure you fall in line.
In Louisville, They're going to downtown businesses and demanding that they pay to their approved groups.
This is legit.
When they went to one guy, a Cuban guy, Cuban immigrant, and said, pay up or else, he said, or else what?
And they smashed a flowerpot.
Like, they're literally... Mafia.
That's what he said.
That's what he said.
brandon straka
And so, all of this stuff... You're watching the Tim Poole Show, brought to you by Black Lives Matter.
tim pool
No, but you're watching the Boston Red Sox.
You're watching the NBA.
You're watching the MLB.
I don't want to watch that stuff, man.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
You know, it's crazy to me.
The Gillette commercial.
You saw that, you know, toxic masculinity.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
I was talking about how I just won an ad that tells me what you're selling.
And then I was skating outside the other day and it was like a Harry's commercial and it was like, Hi, this is Harry's.
We sell razors.
They cost $2.
You can order them online.
They have three blades.
And I'm like, that's great.
I'm going to go buy.
That's all I wanted to know.
Thank you.
I'll go buy it.
brandon straka
Well, you know, the left has this way of creating the atmosphere that they say they're afraid of or that they're working against.
I mean, I actually believe that they've created a lot of racists just this year based off of the activity they've engaged in.
But they're also terribly afraid of going back in time.
They're afraid of that for racial minorities.
They're afraid of that for women.
They're afraid of that for gays.
You know, us living in another era.
And what you just said, it actually, you know, we may, maybe our culture will get pushed into this, almost like television commercials from the 1950s.
When it really was like that before, like, you know, buy cigarettes, they're delicious and they're good for your health.
You know, I mean, it just tells you what the product is.
tim pool
Right.
Raisin Bran.
It's bran and raisins.
Pour milk on it, eat it for breakfast.
I mean, I love it.
I think those are very male-centric commercials.
Guys are just like, no BS, just tell me what it is.
But they've tried to manipulate and catch people.
I think ads just used to be they didn't know how to do it.
Now they've figured out you can have a chinchilla screech in your face and Quiznos will sell sub-sandwiches or something.
And it worked.
That's true.
brandon straka
I mean, people are sick and tired of watching TV, watching commercials, and having to question their morality.
Am I a good person?
Am I a bad person?
Am I supposed to be trans?
I just want to buy milk.
Do I have to question my gender?
tim pool
I just want milk.
Yeah, no.
It's coming to the point where it's religion.
It's like turning on the TV and saying, like, have you confessed your sins today?
Right.
The toxic masculinity ad.
You know, a lot of people talk about, I'm sure you've heard of get woke, go broke.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I think there's a lot of circumstances where it's actually get broke, try woke.
Where these companies are failing because they're obsolete or because their marketing strategy was bad and they're like, let's try wokeness.
brandon straka
Yes.
A lot of celebrities are doing that.
Right.
Celebrities on the brink of irrelevance are now, you know, out with the Black Lives Matter signs and taking their selfies, taking their selfies for Instagram at the marches and stuff.
And it's also, but there's also kind of like the sad kind of element of it where, you know, I've been talking about this a lot, too.
A lot of these people, when you're walking down the street, you feel like this Black Lives Matter movement is so popular and well accepted.
It's a sign here, a sign here, a sign here.
But the sign has really become a virtue signal, I think, saying, please don't smash my windows.
You know, and so I think that there are a lot less people who support the cause than we think, but they're just afraid of getting looted.
tim pool
That's true.
I think so.
Have you ever been to the Bay Area?
brandon straka
Unfortunately, I have.
tim pool
You go to Berkeley, you go to Oakland, you see the signs all over the windows.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
That's horrifying.
brandon straka
Yeah, but they probably believe in it.
You don't think?
tim pool
I don't think so, no.
brandon straka
In Berkeley?
tim pool
In Berkeley there are a lot of stores that do, but there I went to a bar and they told me straight up the anti-Trump poster they had was just so that no one smashed their windows.
And they did not agree with it.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And we were having a candid conversation.
So I think, sure, you're in Berkeley down the street, you know, by the university, you're going to find a bunch of businesses that do believe it.
Some of these bookstores are like straight-up anarchist bookstores, but there are a lot of businesses that you're like, it's run by, you know, Chinese immigrants that don't engage in American politics.
And I'm like, I'm not sure they care all that much.
They're just saying, leave us alone.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
You know?
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm not, I'm not sure if they care, even if, you know, like for, for us opposing it either.
They're just like, whatever.
Who cares?
brandon straka
Put the sign up.
I don't know why this popped into my mind, but when I was doing a rally in Michigan, I think, a big group of Black Lives Matter protesters came, and they were about 50% white, which is actually a pretty low ratio.
It's usually a lot more than that.
But there were several black people in my group, And so this black man went over to one of these white guys holding his Black Lives Matter sign, and the white guy's shouting at him, you know, because he's got a Trump hat on, you know, he's got like his MAGA gear, and the white guy's like, what are you doing, bruh?
unidentified
What are you doing, bruh?
brandon straka
You know?
And finally, the white guy says, he's like, this is just so classic.
I wish I had this on film.
In fact, I might, actually.
But he's there with his sign, and he goes, I'm doing this for you, bruh!
tim pool
I'm doing this for you, bruh!
unidentified
And the guy's like, You can go home.
brandon straka
I'm good.
Yeah.
Make America great again.
I'm good.
tim pool
These activists, in my opinion, are white supremacists.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
They think that they've invented everything.
I mean, we've talked about several times.
Robin DiAngelo from White Fragility, you know the author?
Yes.
She says she's a racist.
brandon straka
In the book.
tim pool
Yeah.
Why are we taking our cues from these people?
brandon straka
It's yeah, the whole I haven't read the book, but I've read a lot.
We have a mutual friend Carlin and she kind of broke broke the book down in chapters on Twitter was posting them and it's there's so many anecdotes in that book where I was kind of shocked at the things that the woman says and reveals, you know, just like when I walk into a room and I see black people I become very uncomfortable.
I clutch my purse.
I want to remember, you know, and I'm like, she says not a normal That's a normal reaction.
tim pool
Right.
Why would anyone take advice from someone who's an avowed racist?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Who would say something like that?
It's like, dude, listen, you're the one who needs talking to, not me.
brandon straka
Correct.
tim pool
Look, I grew up second generation mixed race, friends of all different races, and I didn't experience any of this until I went to Occupy Wall Street.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
Where they literally segregated everybody.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, this race here, Asians go here, the black people go here, the Mexicans go there.
And I was angry.
I was like, This is the most, like, disgusting thing I've ever seen.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
I couldn't imagine this happening in my neighborhood.
You'd get beat up if you tried doing something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because we're all friends with each other.
brandon straka
Yeah.
You know, I'm actually, I would say, on the opposite end of the spectrum.
I love any opportunity when I'm, like, the only white person in the room.
Especially if I'm giving an address or something like that.
It's one of my favorite things in the world when I'm addressing an audience and it's a racial minority majority or, you know, something like that.
Because for me, it's a challenge That I want to end that night knowing that I thoroughly won over and charmed everyone in that room based off of what I had to.
Like, there's nothing scary about it for me.
I love it.
Like, I love it because I'm like, by the time I'm done, I am going to be the most popular white boy in the whole, they are going to love me.
Um, so yeah, it doesn't even occur to me to be like, Oh my God, there's black people in the room.
I got to run.
I got to run.
But not my thing.
tim pool
For her it is.
For all these activists, I have to wonder.
You know, are you familiar with Reset the Clock, the meme?
It's about male feminists being rapists, like for some reason.
brandon straka
You just said a lot of funny words.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
brandon straka
Sorry, go ahead.
tim pool
So the gag is kind of like, it's like, oh, we got another one, Reset the Clock, you know, like days since we've had a male feminist exposed.
And what some things, somebody wrote this was really fascinating.
They said the reason why feminists are so, you know, like, you know, feminist is because the reason why they think all men are bad is because they're surrounded by male feminists.
They're not hanging out with us!
You know, the feminists, we hang out with regular people.
Feminists are like a fringe.
But when you have this very small group of people that have these extremist ideologies, granted they're gaining a lot of traction in mainstream stuff, when they're only surrounded by abusive men who are pretending to care about their cause to try and sleep with them, they're gonna say, all men are bad because the only men they can see are bad.
brandon straka
Well, I think that's a reinforcement, but don't you think, my opinion is that everybody has problems.
We all have struggles, but only certain of us get told that those problems and struggles are because of the color of our skin, our sexual orientation, or our gender.
So we all worry sometimes about how we're going to pay our bills, or how am I going to get a job, or am I good looking enough, am I whatever enough, whatever.
But if people are telling you, well, The reason why you feel like you're not good-looking enough is because you're black.
Or the reason why you don't have enough money is because you're black.
Or the reason why you're worried about this is because you're gay.
It's the same problems that we all have, but people are being told it's different because of them.
tim pool
They don't want you to solve your problems.
Well, sure.
They want to be the solution.
brandon straka
That's how they control you.
tim pool
Exactly.
brandon straka
Yes.
tim pool
If you were to tell somebody, you are powerful.
No one can hold you back, stand defiant, and you can do anything?
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
Then you can't control them.
brandon straka
Correct.
tim pool
They know what they can do.
For me, I think it's a big difference between why it's the Democrats and the Republicans.
Republicans, personal responsibility, individualism.
The Democrats, collective responsibility.
You're responsible for your ancestors if we don't like you, but others aren't.
And, you know, we're going to act for the collective's best interests.
Don't defy us.
brandon straka
What's your view on privilege?
tim pool
In what capacity?
brandon straka
Do you think it exists in any forms, or do you think... Well, yeah, of course.
Right, sorry, that was silly.
No, I mean, what forms do you think it exists in, and how relevant are the forms?
tim pool
So I think what the left doesn't understand is when you take someone who's not very smart, and I mean this not to be disrespectful, they can't analyze root causes, they can only see the surface.
So they have to wonder why it is that, say, a white person tends to have certain privileges.
And so they say, ah, it must be because he looks that way, right?
That's a racist approach.
Racists can't see past skin color.
But if you actually do a deep analysis, there is majority privilege.
Humans have a tendency to feel safer around people who look similar to them.
And I'm not talking about race, I'm talking about literally everything.
It's why you'll see a man and a woman holding hands walking down the street wearing very similar clothes.
You've seen that before, right?
They did a study and found that they showed a bunch of pictures to people and asked them to write the most attractive, and one of them was their own face that was detexturized a little bit.
They view themselves as more attractive, the more familiar it is to them.
And that's just, you know, I think it was Brett Weinstein who talks about this says, that's why we must strive to make sure we overcome our inherent biases and things like this.
So I do believe there's privileges, but I believe the better way to put it is majority privilege.
I've been a bunch of countries where you would not have privilege.
I mean, look, go to Asia.
I tell you this, man.
So I am par-Korean, and this is one of the reasons why I absolutely detest the intersectional left, because if you're mixed, or if you're Asian, you're Schrodinger's person of color, whatever, they don't know how to deal with you.
But South Korea, Korea in general, they're very racist.
They're extremely racist.
I don't know about everything having to do with Japan, but I'm pretty sure that you can't function in Japan.
Like, you would struggle to get a job.
You would struggle... I don't think you can even open a bank account as a white person.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's because these are ethno-national countries.
They're very isolated.
And even outside of this, go to Sweden.
I interviewed someone in Sweden who said... It was an American woman.
She married a Swedish man.
She spoke fluent Swedish with an accent.
She couldn't get a job because they knew she wasn't Swedish.
It's just about, are you a part of the majority?
Otherwise, people have a bias against you.
I think that exists.
So, look, there's a lot of issues that come up where I'm like, I'm center-left, especially on some social issues.
But what I think the left is doing right now, the leftists, is they're not offering up real solutions to the problems, so they can control you, so they can take your resources, so you will be their foot soldier or their minion.
If they actually told you the solution to many of these problems may have something to do with some social programs, but ultimately your responsibility.
You're letting people go.
You're saying, let me teach you how to start a fire.
So I look at it this way.
If I said, I am going to start a program where we teach people how to fish, that's a social program, but you're letting people go.
What they do is they say, we're going to start a program where we have people fish, and then we make the people come in here and do what we want, and we'll maybe give them one.
It's a big, big difference.
So for me, I think, it's probably a really good way to explain how I feel like I'm center-left.
I think if the government was like, we're gonna teach you how to fish, and then you're on your own, and you can do this on your own, that's a social program that makes sense.
brandon straka
Agreed.
tim pool
Especially with restrictions so that, you know, the way I often put it is, you can't just create a program and expect it to run forever.
It has to have an end date, an expiration, and then you reassess and try other things if they're not working and update and renew.
Instead, we don't do that.
We just keep doing the same thing over and over again regardless.
The welfare system never changes, it just gets worse and more money piled into it.
But I think there's room for that.
That's more of a center-left position.
So anyway, yeah.
So when it comes to privilege, people have privileges.
I do believe that men have some privileges.
Women have some privileges, too.
You want to have an argument about who has more?
I don't think you'll ever solve that argument.
I don't think anyone will ever be able to actually win as to who has it better, a man or a woman.
Men will argue.
Oh, they've been expendable for all throughout history and they're you know young men have very little societal value with no skills No reproductive value and young women have tremendous value to society because they're attractive and they can you know have kids and stuff You can argue those things are offensive and wrong.
That's fine The point is you're gonna have an argument all day night about who is more privileged and you'll never win I think ultimately you're gonna be Delta handicards and And some people might get a really crappy hand, but I truly believe you can figure it out.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
If you believe in yourself, some people need help.
I did.
I lost my job at one point.
I went on unemployment for quite a long time.
And it allowed me to survive, and I had no idea what to do at this point.
It was around the time of the financial crisis, and I was really young.
And it was crap money.
It was a couple hundred bucks a month, but it kept me off the street.
And then eventually, I figured something out.
I got a job.
I started working at nonprofits.
And I was like, that was awesome.
But if you get people dependent on it, that's what I think the left is going for right now.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
You can't solve your problems because you can never change the color of your skin.
Therefore, join my group and enact my laws.
brandon straka
It's a Trojan horse so they can get things like socialism and, you know, just Well, you know, unemployment is an insurance that we pay into as well.
I mean, you know, and I think that it does absolutely save and help a lot of people for, and it's temporary, you know, it goes as long as it goes.
But it's, yeah, I mean, when you're talking about taking able-bodied, healthy, capable people and putting
them on a cycle of welfare and food stamps and all of these different things and then
basically, you know, it becomes, not an addiction, but I mean it just becomes a way of life,
I think, for a lot of people.
And then you start to, they, they, they're, how, why would you be motivated to do anything else?
You just sort of get settled into your circumstance.
tim pool
I think these programs can work, but they need a cultural component we don't have anymore.
Like you said, it becomes a way of life.
I know people like this.
I lived in Seattle, and there were people who were like, here's the food banks you hit on which day.
So they had a chart where like, Monday is this neighborhood, Tuesday is this neighborhood.
They created a system to go and get free stuff.
And I'm like, I'm going to go get a job because I'm bored.
I want to do something and I want to choose for myself what I eat, not go to a food bank and just be like, give me that last can of beans.
But for them it was like, but it's so much easier to just get the last can of beans.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I was like, you look, you do your thing.
But because they never, you know, the requirements for these food banks was walk on in.
People had no incentive to do anything.
They were given and they built a life around it.
brandon straka
I have a friend.
Well, he's not really a friend anymore.
Again, one of the 90% gone.
But he's been on social programs for years and years.
And it's so interesting because the way that they keep him on it, he's required to go to certain doctor's appointments on a regular basis to continue to validate his condition, which keeps him on.
So, I mean, it's a regular cycle that he has to go see a certain number of doctors every week, which, of course, they pay for.
There's not even time to do any.
And I've told him, I haven't talked to him in years, but I was like, wouldn't it be easier to just get a job?
I mean, you have to leave and go sit in these appointments and get these doctors to do all this stuff.
It's like, just go work, dude.
tim pool
I think a lot of people don't know how, and I think it's the fault of our culture.
I think schools do a terrible job.
I was lucky enough to have an entrepreneurial family that instilled values in me for hard work and, you know, building things on your own.
But a lot of people don't know where to even start.
So I get messages from people all the time saying, I really would love to do my own business.
I don't even know how to start doing that.
And I'm like, I'll tell you what I did.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I just went off and started doing stuff.
Yeah.
That's literally, I got on a bus, went to New York during Occupy Wall Street.
I had a backpack, I slept outside.
And then I just from there, you know, I worked at a non-profit.
I saved up some money, I bought a smartphone.
I had a smartphone.
Then I, you know, so what I do tell people is here's what you do.
Figure out what you wanna do, find a job, save money from that job,
and then use that money you save to start funding your learning period
your development period for your passion.
And then try and figure it out.
Not everybody can.
brandon straka
And be willing to accept that you're going to fail, probably many times along the way.
I failed many, many, many times in my life, many times before I ended up in this position that I'm in now.
And I certainly had never created a movement against the Democratic Party before.
I didn't have a lot of experience, you know, but I, after failing at many different things in my life, and I had no idea that WalkAway was going to become what, I mean, it started as a Facebook group.
But when it really resonated with people and became really successful, I thought, you know, there's something much larger here than just a testimonial campaign on Facebook.
I think that this is something that's needed by the public at large.
And so we created an organization, Walkway Foundation, and started doing events.
And some of the things we do hit, some of them don't hit.
We learn from that and we move on.
And that's kind of how life is.
You just, you know?
tim pool
I think it's funny, when I first saw your viral video for WalkAway, there were a lot of people, when it got really big, they were saying that it was existing Trump supporters pretending they left the Democratic Party, it was AstroTurfed and stuff like that.
brandon straka
Russian bots.
tim pool
Russian bots, and I was just like, but I actually know a lot of people, like a ton of people, like Jack Murphy, he wrote a book, Democrats at a Portable, 9 million people voted for Obama, voted for Trump.
And is there stories of the inverse?
I don't know if you heard about this, but the DNC featured a man who claimed he was a lifelong Republican who is now, you know, who's now going to vote Democrat.
And they tracked down his information.
Turns out he's a registered Democrat.
He's not a Republican.
brandon straka
Do you know his name?
tim pool
His name was Michael or something.
And they were like, this guy donated to and for like the last five elections voted for a Democrat or whatever.
brandon straka
Well, I don't know if you saw, I think it was on the first night of the convention, the Democrat convention.
They did this like walkaway ripoff.
tim pool
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
brandon straka
In the reverse.
tim pool
Right.
brandon straka
And it was a compilation and everyone was like 67 and white and they were like, I'm walking away from the Republican Party.
And I was like, this is the worst.
Like, do you honestly think this is going to damage what I'm doing?
This is like a joke.
I mean, we actually have like young, hip black people, gay people, white people, like, you know, and then they just put up all everything that they claim that we are.
They're like, like, look at all the people leaving the Republican Party.
tim pool
It's not true.
You know, look man, we're having fun.
We laughed a whole lot on this show, and you see that somewhat with the left, but man, it is hard to tell a joke on the left.
The comedians get cancelled, shows are getting cancelled, Family Guy announced they can't do gay jokes anymore.
brandon straka
They did?
tim pool
Yeah, they did.
They're still doing Jewish jokes.
It's the most ridiculous thing.
It's like, dude, they're jokes.
If you've got a weak society that can't understand what a joke is, why is that our fault?
Why is it everyone else's fault?
It's a ridiculous notion that we must, or that we possibly could, prevent all offense.
brandon straka
It's bad enough that it exists in general, but when it happens even within the community itself... Like, I found it so disturbing when RuPaul announced that she was no longer going to use the term she-male on her show because there was a segment... I don't know if you watch Drag Race.
tim pool
No, I don't.
You do?
brandon straka
Well, you're missing out.
Yeah, it's a good show.
But there was a segment at the beginning of every episode where she was doing a play on email, and they would say, you've got she-mail.
And apparently, trans activists, not actual transgender people, but non-binary, gender-fluid, angry leftists came down.
Now a drag queen can't say shemale anymore on a show about trans people and drag queens.
tim pool
You hear about what happened in the UK where a woman posted rap lyrics to her Instagram?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure she was black and the n-word was in the lyrics.
She got arrested for it.
brandon straka
Wow.
tim pool
That's... I hope we don't end up like the UK.
brandon straka
Well, you know, one of my LGBT town halls last year, well, four out of five were actually canceled by the venue.
We did find a new venue.
We pressed on.
It happened.
But we filed a lawsuit against the venue in New York City for canceling us just days before the event, because not only did they cancel us, but they canceled us because of leftist, you know, activists coming in and harassing the venue.
But the leftists actually created a dossier on.
So my panel was me, Mikey Harlow and Blair White.
And they went through all of our social media and found these, you know, the evidence that we're white supremacists and anti-gay and all of this stuff, which for anybody in your audience who cares, all of our LGBT, all walkaway town halls are available for people to watch for free on YouTube.
So you can see the content that actually exists that they were trying to prevent from us.
It's very tame.
It's very productive.
It's very positive, very uplifting in many ways.
But anyway, we filed a lawsuit against the LGBT Center of New York City, who are the ones who canceled us.
And just a couple of weeks ago, the judge in New York City threw out the case.
And when she threw out the case, what she cited was...
That upon researching me and Blair and Mikey, whatever, she agreed that we were, and this is a quote-unquote, engaging in anti-queer slurs and therefore we were dangerous to our community and basically that we had it coming.
Now, queer is a slur.
I mean, it is a word that people like myself, there's nobody on set on the center or on the right who wants to be called queer.
The only people who are pushing for this word are LGBT radical activists.
It's a disgusting word.
I don't want to be called queer, but the judge said a straight woman said that a two gay men and a transgender woman were anti queer.
And therefore we, our case was thrown out of court.
tim pool
I think you should file a human rights complaint.
brandon straka
That's a good idea.
tim pool
When did this happen?
brandon straka
Oh, just weeks ago.
tim pool
That's a human rights violation.
If she actually used that word... She did.
And she was straight?
She did.
I don't know how that works with the government, but when it comes to, I believe, general public accommodation in New York City, it's a $250,000 fine for a willful violation.
brandon straka
Well, perhaps I'll look into that angle of the case.
I'm very curious to know what this judge would have to say about black people using the n-word.
And you know, if she would throw a case out if a black person used the n-word at a public event.
tim pool
Did you use the word?
She was the one who used the word.
brandon straka
No, but if her point is that we are engaging in anti-queer slurs to the queer community which we are a part of, Um, I would consider the n-word to be a slur, and I hear a lot of black people using it, so I wonder if their cases would be thrown out of court if that ever happened.
tim pool
No, we weren't, but... I think you might actually have a... She used a slur.
It is.
I mean, Steven Crowder got demonetized.
You're right.
Because he said that word, and he didn't say it in the context where he was trying to be hurtful.
He just said it.
brandon straka
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And he probably describes himself as queer, that person.
I know his name, but I can't think of it.
I'd say it, but I can't think of it.
brandon straka
And he probably describes himself as queer, that person.
tim pool
So actually, in reference to Crowder, the things he was saying about, I'm not going
to say that guy's name, the guy from Vox, I don't want to give him the attention.
brandon straka
I know his name but I can't think of it.
I'd say it but I can't think of it.
tim pool
No, I just, I just, for one, I don't want to start a brigade, but most people probably
know who he is.
But the point is, he did a segment where he called himself all of these names and Crowder
was responding saying, well, okay, mister, you know, and then would say a word.
And they accused, they claimed that he was targeting him.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
So, yeah, anyway, when it comes to New York, I think, I've looked at all, I've looked over these laws before.
I've actually done a couple of segments on them, and I've talked to some lawyers.
Sounds like they violated your human rights by using that word against you and then arguing that you were in violation of it.
Imagine if that judge said to Candace Owens, you're engaging in anti-N-word behavior.
That would be a major controversy and everything.
brandon straka
Yeah yeah yeah it definitely would be um and you know the thing is too to me the biggest you know tragedy of the whole thing is that so many as these you know when they do this they don't just you know cancel your event it becomes a story and then those stories are used to cancel you in the future right when you try to do another event in another city and they google you and then they're like oh you have a history of going around the country with your anti-queer Your anti-queer show!
And the truth is that I really would love for certainly every LGBT person, but even people who aren't, watch what we've done with WalkAway.
We've done black town halls, we've done Hispanic town halls, we've done LGBT town halls.
Like I said, you can watch them on YouTube.
But this is about providing more freedom, more opportunity, more choice to people.
If you don't want to walk away from the left, don't!
I can't make you do it.
But just be willing to listen to the reasons why I think that we're being manipulated, we're being used, we're being targeted, we're being lied to, we're being brainwashed in many respects.
And if you agree with me, then just consider maybe making some different choices in your life.
But I mean, why are we preventing people from hearing words?
tim pool
Right, exactly.
brandon straka
No one has to go.
I'm not going into anyone's house and putting a gun to their head.
I'm throwing an event that they're free to come to of their own volition.
tim pool
That's the problem.
You're teaching people.
You're breaking them out.
They're telling you you can't solve your own problems, and you're saying the inverse.
You're saying the opposite.
You can.
You can.
Go out there and do your own thing.
Don't listen to them.
Just find your own truth.
That's bad for them.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
They don't want to lose cult members.
brandon straka
And it kind of goes back to the point I was making earlier about, you know, why can't Republicans evolve if Democrats are allowed to evolve?
The people on the left would say that, well, we're the ones who believe in, you know, freedom and opportunity and all this stuff, and we're the ones protecting minority communities.
Well, if you really believe in freedom and opportunity, then you have to be willing to let these minority communities go.
Because you don't own them.
You can't clutch them.
You can't grab them and imprison them.
If you believe that they have choice and freedom, you have to be willing to let them go to the Republican Party or anywhere else that they want to go.
You can't just hold them.
And that's what we're trying to do.
tim pool
But you know, it's ultimately about the individuals in those communities.
There's a lot of polls that have come out showing Trump having record approval from the black community, and I think that's terrifying the Democrats.
Because you had Emerson, which is considered to be one of the most credible polls, saying that Trump's approval was 30%.
Not many polls are saying it's like 8 or 12, but Trump had like 3 or 4 polls showing him at around 30 or so percent.
Rasmussen, they've consistently shown over the past several months that Trump's approval rating from likely voters in the black community is like 30 to 40 percent.
Like, it's just insane numbers.
brandon straka
But we have to wait and see.
tim pool
Absolutely.
brandon straka
Because, you know, they were saying that in 2018 too, and the midterm elections did not show that at all.
Right.
So, I'm not, I don't hang my hat on any polls, you know, whatsoever.
But particularly, I mean, because that's, That really affects, I think, I mean, it speaks to my effectiveness to walk away and what we're doing.
I hope to God we see some significant movement from minorities, and I really believe that we will.
I mean, the only crazy thing would be, you know, if all of these minorities who've created walkaway stories Don't vote or if they do something stupid and change their mind or something.
But I mean, if walk away is a true indicator of what is going to happen in 2020, then I think that we're going to see a significant dent and it's going to be glorious.
tim pool
I think Trump's gonna win, you know.
But don't get complacent.
brandon straka
Exactly.
tim pool
Let's take some Super Chats, man.
Let's see what the crowd has to ask.
Before we do, do you want to just quickly mention your social media, your event, before we read the questions?
brandon straka
Sure.
Yeah, I started to plug it several times and then I distracted myself.
So, I'm here in Philadelphia right now.
Well, I'm... You're basically in Philly.
I'm basically in Philly.
And tomorrow we're throwing our, I believe, fifth Walk Away Rescue America rally.
The purpose of these rallies is to show the radical left that they don't own our streets, our neighborhoods, our cities, or our country.
That we do not give them permission to smash and vandalize and loot and steal and commit acts of violence and vandalism.
That if they think that this is a proper way to treat the country that we respect, They're in for it.
So we've been doing these rallies around the country.
We call them Rescue America.
We're in Philly tomorrow.
It would be great if someone from my team shouted out the address right now, which I'm forgetting what the location is.
unidentified
Independence Hall?
brandon straka
Independence.
That's not what it's called.
Please look it up.
But it's a park.
Independence something historic park.
It's right by the Liberty Bell.
We'll be right by the Liberty Bar.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
What time?
brandon straka
Here's a better idea.
Go to walkawaycampaign.com, click rallies, because we'd like you to register anyway for the rally.
And you can do that by going to walkawaycampaign.com slash rallies.
And I would love it if people followed me on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook at Brandon Strock.
My last name is spelled S-T-R-A-K-A.
And for the love of God, please subscribe to my YouTube channel.
It's a joke.
It's like a joke.
tim pool
You got to do the work.
You got to do the work.
brandon straka
There's probably a million people watching this right now.
Just for God's sake, please just go to my YouTube channel, Brandon Strock, and just click subscribe.
I'm embarrassed of it.
It's the biggest scorn.
It's horrible.
And watch my videos, too, so I can get more than like 30 views.
tim pool
You got to make good videos.
brandon straka
I know.
I know.
I make good movements, apparently.
But I did make a good video.
tim pool
That's what started the whole thing.
That viral video?
brandon straka
Yeah, and I've made more than one good video.
tim pool
Keep working at it.
You'll get better and better.
brandon straka
Well, thanks, Dad.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's read.
Let's read.
We got a bunch of superchats here.
So if you guys haven't already, if you want to get some questions in, we obviously can't get to everybody, but I'll try to read as many as I can.
Kurt D says, Big fan of you Brandon.
I remember when Facebook banned you a couple weeks before your walkaway event in DC.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
Did they give you your account back in time for the event?
I never found out what happened with that.
Seemed like blatant censorship to me.
I quit FB and don't miss it.
brandon straka
Yeah, so I love that this guy asked this question because I meant to tell this story earlier when we were talking about censorship.
So what happened was two years ago in 2018, we threw the WalkAway March on Washington at the end of October.
And we were doing, you know, WalkAway was only like four or five months old at this time.
It was very, very new.
So I desperately needed to keep plugging away at, you know, promoting the event and doing fundraising every day on a daily basis.
And so one month before the event in September of 2018, and I'll just say too, I'm not, I don't discriminate against like who I'll do interviews with or anything like that.
I'm not one of these conservatives that's like, oh, I'm afraid of, you know, I won't go on InfoWars.
I love Alex Jones.
I love Owen Schroyer.
You know, I don't agree with everything that they say or whatever, but I'm not afraid to do their show.
They asked me to go on InfoWars and do an interview to promote the March on Washington.
Am I going to get your channel canceled for saying that word?
Which one?
tim pool
March on Washington?
brandon straka
InfoWars.
Oh no.
So I was doing the interview and I went on my Facebook, I went on WalkAway Campaign Facebook group.
Also, please join that WalkAway Campaign Facebook group.
And I said, hey, Patriots, I'm going to be on InfoWars today in like 15 minutes.
Be sure to tune in.
And they banned my account for using the word InfoWars.
I mean, they actually said it.
They sent me a message and they said, you engaged in activity that contradicts our rules and regulations, whatever.
And then they had the little screenshot of the word InfoWars.
And now at the time, I was very, you know, I had probably, I don't know, 40, 50,000 Twitter followers, which was, you know, kind of significant.
And people knew who I was because I was doing Fox News a lot.
I don't think that I really grasped at that time the, for lack of a better word, the power that comes with having that kind of platform.
And so I went on Twitter literally just to bitch about it.
And I was just like, I just got banned on Facebook.
Well, it became a story.
And so after it became a story, within like 24 hours, Facebook had to walk it back and say it was an algorithmic mistake that they didn't mean to cancel me.
But yes, I got my account back very quickly, but it taught me, I felt really bad for a lot of people who go through that who don't have a platform and can't get those things reversed.
tim pool
Exactly.
And that's most of what's happening.
We got one from Sojong the Great.
He says, Kimberly Klesik, black Republican, one of many dozens, mind you, who are running, won their primaries, has just shy of 10 million views on Twitter alone.
The times are a-changin'.
If 25% of the vote, or slightly less, goes to R, it's over.
Spin that near-Earth object.
Do you wanna spin it?
Oh, yeah.
It's a little blower.
You just point it at a slight angle.
brandon straka
You know I'm not good at this.
tim pool
Just hold it down.
There you go.
And it's spinnin'.
There you go.
Alright, let's read some more.
Let's see what we got.
brandon straka
I feel like I really did something there.
lydia smith
Perfect, thank you.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
James Degree says, Build Back Better is literally the Chinese knockoff of Make America Great Again.
Yeah, that's about right, no?
Stacey Ellis says, Just here to show support for you and your guest.
Love from Canada.
Appreciate it.
brandon straka
Thanks, Canada.
tim pool
Duncan Massive says, Off topic.
Penny for your thoughts on Lauren Southern trying to be a fellow fence-sitter for her new documentary.
Love your work, Tim.
I don't know about her new documentary.
I'll take a look, I suppose.
I think you did mention this.
I don't know if you have anything to elaborate on it.
I think it's just a blatant ripoff of what I'm doing.
thoughts on this and the walk away vids at the DNC. Hi Tim and Lydia spin the bad boy.
I think you did mention this I don't know if you have anything to elaborate on it.
brandon straka
Yeah, I think it's just a blatant rip off of what I'm doing, but to me I take it as a sign
that what I'm doing is effective and successful and to the point where they want to now pretend
like the opposite is happening.
But we have so many more videos and so much more diversity.
This has been two and a half years and it's not easy to keep something going and in the public interest for that long.
So I just think it's a cheap ripoff.
tim pool
They don't want to admit it, but I've talked about this.
I have a friend that I met at a Black Lives Matter rally who's been posting nothing but pro-Trump stuff in the past year.
I have friends from Chicago I've known my whole life who all of a sudden, Democrat their whole life, are now messaging me saying they're going to vote Republican straight down the ticket.
They don't want to admit it.
I'll tweet this and they'll be like, Tim's lying.
It's not true.
And I'll be like, okay, whatever.
If you think it's not happening, then by all means, you'll wake up on, you know, whatever election results come in.
I have no idea at this point because of the mail-in voting, but you'll wake up one day and be like, I wonder why I lost.
brandon straka
I have a friend who opened her business.
It was a business for all women only business.
And at her women only business, she would hold special events like a white fragility conference.
That she threw at this, and she is now talking about voting for Trump.
tim pool
Yep.
You know what it was for a lot of people I know is the riots.
brandon straka
Oh, yeah!
tim pool
So, I have friends in Chicago, and I was having conversations with people who are like, you know, I support Black Lives Matter and all that stuff, and then roving bands went around smashing everything, shooting guns downtown, they raised the bridges, and the next day Black Lives Matter said, we support them.
What they did was reparations, so too bad.
And now all of a sudden they're like, Yeah.
They can't tell anybody.
brandon straka
My walkaway campaign group on Facebook grew by 40% between George Floyd's death, end of May, And late July, we had like hundreds of thousands that came on board.
And the testimonies, they say it.
They're like, enough.
You know, the violence, the riots, all this stuff.
tim pool
This is crazy.
brandon straka
And it's not just the violence and riots.
It's that it's being glorified and enabled by the media.
tim pool
That de Blasio himself went down to paint this message.
brandon straka
Unbelievable.
tim pool
And support it.
And he did it without a permit.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
With taking taxpayer money.
I mean, it is beyond corruption.
brandon straka
For those of us who see clearly what's going on, the oppression that I feel, because I'm a New Yorker, and I see, when you paint Black Lives Matter down Fifth Avenue in giant letters, and these are the same people that just destroyed Soho, I mean destroyed Soho, which is probably one of the biggest shopping meccas of all the United States, maybe the world.
Um, it makes you feel like you're living under authoritarian rule.
tim pool
You are.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, the amount of laws that are broken by these people every day is shocking.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's shocking.
brandon straka
It's unbelievable.
tim pool
Voice of Reason says, Tim Pool plus Brandon Walkaway-Strock, that deserves a super super chat.
Appreciate it.
Strockaway.
Strockaway.
Vesuvius says, Tim, can I recommend inviting RPGpundit for an IRL call-in?
He's been exposing the rampant wokeness that has trampled Wizards of the Coast, Magic the Gathering, and D&D fame.
He's on YouTube by searching for RPGpundit.
Could be awesome.
I'll check it out.
Breathinginfumes says, any concern about the SF walkaway given the fires?
You're doing a San Francisco walkaway?
brandon straka
We are.
So a week from Sunday, so about nine days, we'll be doing a Golden Gate Bridge walk in San Francisco.
I don't know if you saw, Tim, we had this incredibly successful march in Beverly Hills.
Did you see that about a week or two ago?
tim pool
I did.
And do you know that across the country there were Blue Lives Matter marches as well?
brandon straka
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, on a similar weekend.
That was crazy to me.
I saw your event.
It looked huge.
brandon straka
It was.
tim pool
So I did a Google search, and I was like... Oh, that's right!
brandon straka
You did a video about it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's tons of stuff all over the country.
brandon straka
That's right, that's right.
And by the way, thank you for that.
tim pool
It's news.
I think it's important.
brandon straka
Well, not to many people on the left.
You know, a thousand people in Beverly Hills marching against the Democratic Party?
That happens all the time.
Yeah, no, I mean, I appreciated you for covering it and kind of covering it accurately, because, you know, that's something that frustrates me even about the media on the right, is that, you know, here we did this incredible event in Beverly Hills, California, totally unusual, right?
We marched through West Hollywood, which is a super gay neighborhood, into Beverly Hills, and it's people, it's walk away, it's walk away from the radical left, right?
All the headlines were, Pro-Trump rally in Beverly Hills.
Pro-Trump rally.
And I was like, you know, like I love Trump and I'm sure the vast majority of people in walkway have come to love Trump.
But with that said, we don't endorse candidates.
We don't, you know, we're not pro-Republican.
We're not pro-Trump.
We're not pro... Just anti-Democrat.
That's what we are.
That's what we are.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So JMaxx says, I voted against Prop 8 in California back in the day, and I've been pretty socially liberal, much to my conservative parents' disappointment.
It's crazy to me that I get lumped in with the right now for fairly libertarian positions.
Glad people are speaking up.
Appreciate it.
Sydney Junior Cooley says, Brandon, good to see you.
I'm still perma suspended on Twitter.
Good to see all of y'all on here.
Cool.
Dr. Roller Gator says, Hey Lydia Gator, you're doing a great job.
Keep up the good work.
lydia smith
Thanks!
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Tanner Gordon says, Just landed an amazing 50k IT job with great benefits.
No college degree, just certs.
Listen to Tim, do not bother with college.
Yeah, what do you think about college?
brandon straka
Me?
tim pool
Yeah.
brandon straka
Uh, I didn't go to it.
tim pool
Neither did I!
brandon straka
That's what I thought of it.
Yeah.
Um, I, I left school, you know, right.
I left home right after high school and you know, my dream was to move to New York city and be an actor and be a singer.
So I ended up going to New York and uh, then I became a conservative and then I started the walkway campaign.
Didn't go to college.
So kids at home, do not go to college.
Start your own political movement.
tim pool
Here's an interesting one.
Ben Bond says, JetBlue kicked a family of six off a flight because their two-year-old was pulling off mask.
Airlines must want children tied down or something.
Messed up.
brandon straka
Well, that sounds weird because they say that you don't have to wear it if you're under two.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Weird.
brandon straka
That is weird.
tim pool
It's just inconsistent, man.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
Magical Trevor says, Brandon, you're a hero.
Tim, you gotta put on the beanie buddy.
The beanie buddy?
What is it?
The MAGA beanie?
I don't think that's what you said.
But that's what he heard.
that respiratory illnesses are spread through saliva and other fluids ejected
from the nose and mouth also smash that like button I don't think that's what
brandon straka
you said but that's what he heard yeah no I actually do think that that happens
I'm I don't think anybody's disputing how illnesses spread I think we're disputing things like the effectiveness of wearing a thin piece of cloth on your face that many doctors agree doesn't, you know, the virus can travel through.
I also, but the biggest argument that I make is that it's just not a very dangerous virus for the vast majority of people.
Obviously for the people who died, tragically, it was a very serious virus.
But that is a very, very, very tiny percentage of the population.
And the vast majority of people who get it are gonna be just fine.
tim pool
I disagree a little bit.
I think the general goal for the mask is just so you don't spit, you know what I mean?
So I hear what you're saying, for sure.
Yeah.
brandon straka
So you don't spit?
tim pool
Yeah, like when you're talking, your spit flies out.
brandon straka
Don't say the word droplets.
If I have to hear the word...
Droplets is the new moist.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brandon straka
So gross.
tim pool
Oddball Gaming.
He says, Hey Brandon, I'm so glad I found you in 2018.
I was a pro 2A bisexual liberal when election results came in.
I didn't scream like you all.
It's good I found you and now I'm a libertarian voting for Trump 100%.
Awesome.
There you go.
brandon straka
Very good.
tim pool
Mark Held says, I love the show.
Thank you, Mr. Strock.
Noticed that if I join the live stream after it starts, there is a gap on the audio and video.
Weird.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
No idea.
Loft TM says, hey Brandon, Tim, Lydia.
I produced the original WWG, what is it?
I don't know what that is.
WWG1 with JT Wilde.
Much love for all your hard work.
Tim would love to see you produce some of your original songs if I can get in touch.
I am actually working on producing some original music, so.
Are you really?
Yeah, it is coming out.
brandon straka
Oh yeah, because you play guitar.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, I got my guitar right here.
brandon straka
Do you sing?
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
I can let you hear a rough demo of a song.
unidentified
I'd love that.
tim pool
Once we wrap up.
brandon straka
I really want to get this jerky open.
tim pool
Oh, it's the... Which one is it?
I don't know, but it won't... It won't open.
Is it the unicorn?
brandon straka
Yeah, pass the scissors, please.
Oh, it is... Unicorn.
tim pool
Unicorn jerky.
lydia smith
Awesome.
tim pool
Unicorn.
Amanda Bielmeier says, make it official, Tim.
Walk away.
You know you belong with us on the right.
brandon straka
Yeah, Tim, what's the resolution?
We can't end this show.
I'm not leaving until you walk away.
tim pool
I'm not.
I am who I am.
That's just that's that's it.
Look, look, I already said, you know, if the election were held today, I'd most likely be voting for Trump.
I think it's like a 95 percent chance.
brandon straka
You haven't even made up your mind about that.
tim pool
I think that's pretty strong.
Making up my mind.
brandon straka
Three or four percent, whatever you said already, I forgot the number.
tim pool
Well, I would say literally right now, if I was about put in front of me, I'd be like, yeah, Trump.
But we've got a couple months.
brandon straka
What's the alternative?
What, are you going to write in Jill Stein?
tim pool
No.
But as I'm saying, like, I think as of right now, I just say that because who knows what's going to happen.
I don't want to put out a statement where I'm like, yeah, gung-ho, 100 percent, and then something crazy happens.
And you know what I mean?
brandon straka
I just said that to make Lydia laugh, and it worked.
tim pool
That's pretty good.
lydia smith
I appreciate that.
tim pool
Look, I already said earlier this year, that's it for me.
I'm not donating to Democrats ever again.
I donated to a bunch of them because I was thinking, like I mentioned earlier, you get some of these better Democrats in and they'll try and stop the party's drift, but instead they just joined in.
So that was a big mistake.
So then I made a couple donations to some Republicans because they were fighting back directly against this.
You know, I thought, look, you've got WalkAway, you've got conservatives pushing back on the left, but there's got to be people on the left willing to support Democrats who are going to say no and provide more reasonable answers.
And then what happened?
Big mistake.
Because they all just jump on board as soon as they can.
You know, to Tulsi's defense, she just got cut out.
Like, it just became ineffective, you know?
So, she actually has, I think, one delegate, and they won't even invite her to the DNC.
brandon straka
But, you know, Kamala is going to have a very hard time overcoming what Tulsi did to her.
tim pool
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, that's I'm so glad that I, you know, and the black people hate her.
brandon straka
I mean, that's going to be tough, too.
tim pool
A lot of she's very unlikable.
She's very, very unlikable.
brandon straka
She's unlikable.
Let's see with her new face.
tim pool
Now you're getting spicy.
Dr. Rick says, both of you guys are rock stars in my book.
Your courage to uphold free speech and what you believe is true is encouraging me to do the same when it's clearly quite dangerous in my medical academic setting.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's dangerous.
Here we go.
Nicole Serino says, I am a walk away story.
Thanks to Brandon, Tim, Adam, and Anomaly.
Latina, 17 years in the military.
I'm 47 years old and never voted until now.
I've always felt like a center left until now.
Make it official November 3rd.
brandon straka
That's amazing.
What's her name?
tim pool
What's her name?
Nicole Serino.
brandon straka
Nicole, way to go.
I'm so proud of you.
That's amazing.
Great.
tim pool
Yeah, I think the most important thing, and I think what you hit the nail on the head with the hammer with Walk Away, because you created something that people could sort of form around.
So when you feel like you're alone, and you feel like what you're thinking is dangerous, you can look, and there's the pole in the ground with the flag.
Walk away, and there's people around it.
You can see you're not.
brandon straka
100% I'll make this very quick because I know you're One of the main reasons why I created the group in the first place is because when I had my sort of transitional experience in 2017 I thought I was losing my mind because I literally Basically changed my belief about just about everything that I ever believed I was reversing my position I'll say and so I started like googling like am I going crazy?
You know, because there is actually a lot of mental illness on one side of my family and I was like, uh,
is it happening to me?
And I couldn't find other people who had had this experience.
I had to search a long time before I found a few other people who had had, you know, we were calling it red
pilling back then.
And I hope we could.
It's a great term.
I hope we keep doing it.
But, oh yeah, for sure.
But, uh, I thought to myself, once I started to meet a couple of people, I thought, what a shame it is that
there's not like a support group or like a network where you can find other people because it turns your
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
brandon straka
You lose your friends, you lose your mind, you lose your job.
It's a whole thing.
tim pool
And now people know that if they are feeling that way, at the very least, they can be friends with you.
brandon straka
That's right.
tim pool
And you have these rallies.
I think that's a really big issue.
When I hear from friends, like I was straight up told within the past couple of weeks, someone said that the violence is starting.
They don't support the violence.
It's starting to freak them out.
And they think the Republicans are the only ones who are going to stop it.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
They just can't let anyone know they think that.
Right.
brandon straka
What kind of world is that?
I can't let everyone know that I don't love the violence.
tim pool
Seriously though, it's like people are scared to say anything about it.
That's oppression.
That's horrifying.
That's why I think a lot of these polls are wrong.
I think Trump is likely to win.
brandon straka
I hope it's huge.
I want it to be massive.
tim pool
But my confidence really does come from the CNN poll, which finds Trump within one point of Biden in 15 battleground states with a margin of error of 4%.
OK.
brandon straka
And that's from CNN.
tim pool
That's from CNN.
brandon straka
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
Trump's on top.
He definitely is.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright, let's see, where are we at?
Jay Smith says, Hey Tim, just wanted to say thanks.
Your inspirational video about a call to action for what is right and speak the truth to others was the kick I needed.
I'm voting red this year after not the last two.
Interesting.
NSX says, Australia walks with strock and pool.
Trump 2020.
brandon straka
Walk with stroke.
tim pool
There you go.
brandon straka
Somebody's got a new movement.
Wow.
Love that.
My team never comes up with anything that clever.
So.
tim pool
Oh, here's an interesting one.
brandon straka
Let's get his number.
He's hired.
tim pool
Oscar Prado says, I am a DACA recipient and I believe we are being used as political pawns.
They have brainwashed our Mexican American immigrant homes to fear Republicans and, and to always vote blue.
Yeah.
I think you were talking about something similar to that, right?
Yeah.
Just, you know, being used and manipulated.
brandon straka
Totally.
tim pool
And I think we did read those.
We're not going to be able to get to every single super chat, but I'll read a couple more.
Tequila Dominguez says, Hey Tim, just wanted to say thanks for helping red pill me.
Been watching you for over a year now, and I really got into your content after the adpocalypse with Steven Crowder and Vox.
Appreciate it.
Your favorite sociologist says, have Brendan hit me up, almost a decade as a Marxist professor, plus 20 year activist, marched with my hand on Jesse Jackson's shoulder in 2000, now a Trump voter.
This has gone much too far.
How would he hit you up?
I don't know.
Your favorite sociologist on YouTube, I suppose.
Kelly Graham says, Brandon and Tim, just want you both to know I really appreciate all you do to expose the lies, etc., of the left.
P.S.
Brandon, I live up in Washington, not too far from Diane.
Hey, there you go.
brandon straka
Oh, cool.
tim pool
Yeah.
brandon straka
Very cool.
tim pool
Floification says, I think it's time to implement some Starship Troopers doctrine.
Service guarantees citizenship.
Not necessarily military.
We need people in office who have actually sacrificed for and served the nation.
Are you familiar with Starship Troopers?
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
You had to, uh, it was a, in order to vote, you had to serve for two years, whether it's like, not necessarily military, but the idea of the story was only people who are running for office and voting actually worked in and served the government and the public.
brandon straka
Right.
tim pool
Everyone else had equal rights, just not voting rights.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
brandon straka
Well, I think to be able to vote here, you should have to pay taxes a couple of times.
Maybe that'll change your mind.
tim pool
You know, I've had a lot of thoughts about how we changed from only landowners voted, you know, and now to anybody can vote.
It's interesting because one of the things people bring up is that the reason for having votes based on land ownership was to prevent people from coming and voting and then leaving.
You'd come in and be like, I live here, I'm gonna vote that we should let, you know, pirates come and take everything, and then you leave.
So you had to be someone who lived there, had land in the community.
Right.
You know, it's not so simple to just say it was a bunch of rich people who didn't want to keep everybody out.
There were reasons for it.
But I also think that a lot of the problems we face are stemming from population density, overcrowding in cities, and people need to move out, become pioneers, go explore, you know, build their own, and things like that.
brandon straka
You know, this year's the centennial of women being allowed to vote.
tim pool
That's right.
And you see Trump pardon Susan B. Anthony?
brandon straka
No.
tim pool
Trump pardoned Susan B. Anthony posthumously as a symbolic move, and the Democrats attacked him for it.
And several news outlets actually argued, but actually Susan B. Anthony was a racist.
No joke.
Trump somehow got them to disparage Susan B. Anthony on the 100th anniversary of women's suffrage.
brandon straka
Wow.
tim pool
That's why I always say, give me the opportunity to give respect to a Democrat for something good they're doing, and I will take it as soon as I can.
One of the things that always comes to mind is AOC and Elizabeth Warren calling out big tech surveillance and their monopolistic power.
Although I don't agree with their solutions, I appreciate them calling out the problem.
Because they play a game where no matter what Trump does, it's always wrong.
And that can't be true for them, and it can't be true for anybody.
But with that being said, we've gone a little bit over, I think we're about to wrap up, so make sure you follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast, and make sure you check out my main channel over at YouTube.com slash TimCast.
It is a different channel, and you can help me break 1 million subs because I'm actually at like 980-something thousand.
Hopefully I'll get a million before they ban me, so again, check it out, YouTube.com slash TimCast, and you want to give just another shout-out to all your stuff, your That would be amazing.
brandon straka
Yeah, there's actually one thing I didn't tell everybody before I'd like to tell them now.
So obviously we know this has been a really weird year.
Everybody had to cancel a lot of stuff, cancel events, but the two biggest events that WalkAway is doing this entire year, we've put together now for one big weekend, which is going to happen the weekend of October 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in Washington, D.C.
And so what these events are is on October 2nd, we're doing something, I told you we've done LGBT, Black, Hispanic town halls.
We're doing our very first, what we're calling the Walkway American Women's Town Hall, which is going to be an event for, it's going to be actually really fun.
We're calling it a town hall kind of tongue in cheek, but it's going to be at an outdoor venue called the Sylvan Theater in D.C.
by the Washington Monument.
The event is going to feature Lara Trump, Judge Jeanine Pirro, Diamond and Silk, Katie Hopkins, Shamika Michelle.
We have this incredible lineup.
unidentified
Wow.
brandon straka
Yeah.
And then the next day, on October 3rd, is going to be the Unsilent Majority March on Washington.
And we just want to get thousands of people from around the country, basically in a huge demonstration in DC on October 3rd, to show once again that the silent majority is going to become unsilent.
We're not going to allow the radical left to take over our country.
So you can be a part of this whole bit.
We're calling it the Ultimate American Weekend.
Go to walkawaycampaign.com.
Click on Ultimate American Weekend.
We are charging admission to the women's event, but I mean, we have tickets as low as $20, up to like $75, and obviously the March on Washington is free to attend, but please come.
Go to walkwaycampaign.com, click on Ultimate American Weekend.
We want to see everybody there.
It's really important for us to show up in masses.
Like I said, we see the power of demonstration from the radical left, so let's do it ourselves and take our country back.
tim pool
Right on.
You want to mention your socials real quick?
brandon straka
No, who cares.
I'm just kidding.
Please follow me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at BrandonStrock.
S-T-R-A-K-A.
There's a peculiar little A at the end.
tim pool
Isn't it easier just to call yourself Strocka?
brandon straka
Yes, and I wish I had.
I really wish I had.
If I could go back, I would just tell people my name is Brandon Strocka.
Because I don't even care when people say it wrong.
But it's harder for people to find me.
And I'll use it, that's the excuse.
And the reason why you guys haven't subscribed to my YouTube channel is because you didn't know that you're supposed to add an A to the end of my last name.
So go to BrandonStrockGah on YouTube and please subscribe so I can stop being ashamed of my YouTube channel.
tim pool
Right on, man.
And of course there's AtSourPatchLids on Twitter and Parler.
Although I think we pretty much just shoved you out of the conversation for the most part.
lydia smith
That's fine, it was a great engaged conversation.
brandon straka
She did have a question for me earlier.
lydia smith
Yeah, well, to me it seemed a little bit like you're just asking Tim to change his name, you know?
brandon straka
No, I'm asking him to change his gender.
You've missed the whole point of this conversation.
It's like you haven't been listening at all.
lydia smith
It's just as well I didn't ask my question then.
tim pool
You see that hat, that beanie right there?
Right there up against the, on the Kikkoman, the black beanie.
brandon straka
What is a Kikkoman?
tim pool
It's a soy sauce skateboard, and there's a beanie on top.
brandon straka
Yes, yes, I see it.
tim pool
Make America okay, I guess.
Somebody sent us two beanies.
One says, Make America Just Okay, and it's purple, and then that one is black, and it says, Make America Okay, I guess.
brandon straka
I like that.
tim pool
They're funny, funny.
brandon straka
It's okay, I guess.
tim pool
It's okay, it's fine, whatever.
Hey man, thanks for coming in.
brandon straka
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Yeah, it's been great.
That was a fun conversation.
To everybody who hung out, really appreciate it.
Make sure you subscribe, hit the like button, hit the notification bell.
We'll be back Monday at 8 p.m.
live.
And we do the show Monday through Friday live at 8 p.m.
And we'll see you all Monday.
Again, thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Bye guys.
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