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Aug. 3, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Black Lives Matter Is Extorting Business For Money, Vandalize Those Who Oppose Them
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adam crigler
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tim pool
In Louisville, Kentucky, a group of a group of Black Lives Matter.
I'll just I'll just say that because I'm going to try to avoid the politicizing of what the
group could be called at this point.
All right, I'll just call it mob, mafia, I don't know, whatever.
They're going around to businesses demanding that they put up a list of demands, and one of the demands is cash.
They want the businesses to pay their approved businesses or give 1.5% of their net sales to approved nonprofits.
And if you don't, you know what happens.
So apparently they showed up to the guy's place of business and smashed a potted plant.
And it sounds so much like a cheap mobster movie.
unidentified
It's like, Jimmy, show him what happens if he doesn't pay up.
tim pool
Whack!
And he smashes the flowerpot.
adam crigler
I'm gonna give him the clamps.
tim pool
The clamps.
Give him the clamps!
Feature on references.
We're really good at it.
So, look, it is just Louisville.
I know a lot of people are going to be saying things like, you can't say it's all Black Lives Matter, Tim, and stuff like that, and it's like, what am I supposed to say?
It's literally Black Lives Matter Louisville going around and doing this, and the scariest thing about it Is that like a dozen or so businesses complied.
Signing a contract admitting to like systemic racism and being gentrifiers and all this other nonsense.
Wow.
It's a contract where they have to draft their own apology statement or something.
And you got to hang it up in your business.
Cuban immigrant who came here on a raft at 18 years old said no.
And then all these Cuban immigrants showed up holding up signs saying we fled Cuba to get away from socialism.
Be careful what you wish for.
I'm just like, here, here, man, how is it that you get people in this country, homegrown,
who want horrifying systems, are entitled, want to smash up businesses or threaten people and
steal money, and then you have these hardworking Cuban immigrants come here on a raft with nothing
and then earn the American dream? I don't have an answer.
Yeah, I think I got to be fair, man. I think we do a terrible job of raising our kids.
I mean it.
adam crigler
I don't have kids, but I know they're gonna be awesome.
tim pool
You think that?
adam crigler
Yeah.
No, I know it.
tim pool
You gonna homeschool them?
adam crigler
I have two of my sisters have three kids each and they're amazing kids.
Homeschooled?
Well, no, but they are there for them and they raise them correctly.
I mean, I'm an uncle and I You know, I play a part in that, and they're amazing kids.
tim pool
So... You know what, man?
adam crigler
Yeah?
tim pool
I hear you.
I hear you.
I agree.
I think one of the issues is bad parenting, straight up.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
You get people who don't know how to tell their kids no, who don't know how to teach their kids discipline, who don't show them how to function as mature, rational adults.
adam crigler
Yeah, now it's the teacher's fault.
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
There's a comic we talked about where it's like, back in the day, the teacher would tell the parents, here's what your kid's doing wrong, and they'd look at the kid and say, what did you do?
And today, the kid's done something wrong, and they're looking at the teacher saying, what did you do?
My little snowflake can't do anything wrong.
So now we end up with this.
I mean, so they're literally going around.
We have a list of demands.
I cover this on my main channel.
But I want to go over this and basically talk with Adam about it, because I don't think you've seen the contract they posted.
I'd like to get your reaction.
No, I haven't.
It's a whole new level of psychotic.
Great.
adam crigler
I'm excited.
tim pool
And they have a list.
It says repercussions for noncompliance.
And they literally threaten people with cancel culture, saying, we will go nuts on social media and destroy your business and everything.
You know, it's crazy to me.
is that we do have an interesting predicament with how these brigades will go on Yelp and
things like Yelp Google reviews, and they'll write fake reviews for your business to damage
your business reputation. I mean is there a way, like this I do think we definitely need
section 230 reform here because it does become a problem.
There really is a first amendment clash A person's right to speak.
But how is one small business, one small Cuban restaurant, supposed to deal with thousands of defamation cases?
Literally impossible.
So this is an interesting problem.
And I don't know if you can make Google responsible for what these people are doing.
Maybe the organizers.
adam crigler
Do you think they'd deliver to us?
tim pool
In Louisville?
I don't know about that.
adam crigler
Just trying to send some support.
tim pool
But I'm paying close attention to this.
So the other story we have is another thing that I covered before, but we definitely need to talk about it.
We got a Monday show.
Apparently, in June, a bunch of high-ranking Democrats held, and never Trump or Republicans, held a secretive war game where they did like legit war
game, you know, mock-ups like they would for an actual war, calculating what they thought would occur in the event, uh,
during the election. Just during the election.
Okay. They came up with four scenarios. In only one of them does Donald Trump win, and
in all of them, there's street violence and chaos.
So we got this article from Ben Smith in the New York Times, and I don't think Ben realized what he wrote and how scary it is.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Very early in his article, because he's talking about like, oh, the media is, you know, concerned and the election is going to be crazy.
But in the beginning, he writes that there's near panic among the nerds, the people who track elections, saying, no, none of these state election boards know how they're going to count or even tally votes.
adam crigler
They're still counting the votes in New York.
tim pool
Yep.
Six weeks on and they don't know who won.
adam crigler
It's crazy.
tim pool
If they can't do it for a primary election in New York for what is this?
It was one congressional district, I think, or a couple.
Imagine every single district in the country.
So what happens?
One of the scenarios, I guess, is that the House votes to approve Joe Biden for a win, the Senate and the courts approve Trump, and then here's the crazy thing about it.
John Podesta from the Clinton campaign, longtime Clinton ally, high-ranking Democrat, one of the top Democrats, was running this war game as Biden, and he shocked everybody by saying, there's no way I can concede this under any circumstance.
So he actually, in this scenario, encouraged swing states to send faithless electors to support Biden no matter what, and then encouraged the entire West Coast to secede from the Union.
Now, you could say that these people are playing a war game.
It's not necessarily going to be true.
It's entirely possible that the elections swing so hard for Trump.
None of this matters.
I think it's a strong possibility.
adam crigler
I think so too.
tim pool
But these are, I mean, these are top-ranking Democrats, former governors, professors from universities, Republicans.
These are the top political establishment people saying straight up— Never Trump.
Never Trump Republicans.
unidentified
Go on.
tim pool
But they're basically playing this game where when it came down to it, they were like, we would rather have civil war That's because he's messing all their plans up.
Like a boss.
assume office.
unidentified
Yup.
adam crigler
That's because he's messing all their plans up.
tim pool
Well I think...
Like a boss.
If there are people who... so one of the things people have said is, like Trump said in, what
was it, 2016, Hillary Clinton said it's a good thing you're not in charge of law enforcement
or whatever, and he goes, because you'd be in jail.
And then everyone started laughing and cheering.
And that's what a lot of people think might happen.
Now I'm not talking about conspiracy theories, I'm talking about literally Obamagate.
That there are a bunch of high-ranking administration officials and, you know, politicos that know
they're better off personally in a civil war.
unidentified
Yes, they are. They'll flee to Oregon and be like, quick secede so I don't get arrested.
tim pool
That's true. Because Trump's taking office and this is it.
adam crigler
Because they're scared.
tim pool
He's coming after them all. Maybe the Obamagate stuff, the Durham investigation,
the report's coming out. Oh yeah. This is not conspiracy stuff. I'm not talking about,
you know, any creepy nonsense. I'm talking literally about proof. Bill Barr, John Durham,
and accusations of hard corruption, and people believe that's why they're so adamant.
No way!
We're gonna light it up before any of that happens.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
But we also got some other stories, and I just gotta mention this one before we dive right in.
MSNBC staffer.
She quit.
She goes into a long detail about the company, just drives ratings, she doesn't like how the business is being run, and she opens this article about why she's quitting, about how it was hard to do so, and it felt radical, but she's gotta do it.
And I wanna give a pseudo-standing ovation, because, I say pseudo because I'm sitting in my chair in a podcast room, right?
Well done.
But I really mean it, like, my greatest respect, because I've been there.
It's like, I would rather have uncertainty than work for these companies.
So that'll be interesting.
But let's do this.
Let's get started.
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adam crigler
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tim pool
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tim pool
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tim pool
It does.
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Let's read this first story.
Some of you might be familiar with it because, you know, it's going insanely viral.
I tweeted about this.
It's from just the other day.
This story here is from the other day where the Cuban immigrants came out and rallied against Black Lives Matter who are threatening them.
But the tweet I put up has like 20,000 retweets.
So this is huge.
So the initial story was that a group of Black Lives Matter activists are going around downtown Louisville accusing these people of being gentrifiers.
And because of that, they have to pay hard cash.
A bunch of businesses agreed to put up this contract in their windows.
Dear Nulu Business... Not this one specifically, there's like... It might be this one, but there's other ones, a list of demands specifically.
They want them to admit that their gentrification is an oppressive system targeting black folks for 400 years.
unidentified
Now...
tim pool
It's very creepy.
A bunch of these businesses just said yes, but one business said no.
We are not an enemy of the black community.
Cubans rally to support Nulu businesses.
Take a look at this photo.
Alright, maybe the photos aren't... There we go.
It says, we left Cuba because of socialism.
Be careful what you wish for.
Some of the demands requested by Black Lives Matter protesters included that NULU businesses adequately represent Louisville's black population by having a minimum of 23% black staff.
Now, there's more to that.
They don't write it out, but no, they want front-facing.
They said specifically that if someone walks in, they want front-facing staff, so you'll see who's working there.
They said they want a purchasing minimum of 23% inventory from black retailers or donating 1.5% of net sales to a local black nonprofit or organization and requiring diversity and inclusion training for all staff members on a bi-annual basis.
adam crigler
My goodness.
tim pool
Yeah, you know what's crazy about it?
They're going to a Cuban immigrant's restaurant.
He's got, I think he's got two restaurants now.
It's called like the Ole Restaurant Group, I think it is.
One of them is called La Bodeguita de Mima, and there's another one, I'm not entirely sure.
What do you think they said, some of these activists said, when this Cuban immigrant White supremacists?
Oh, okay.
My goodness.
stand for these mafia tactics.
adam crigler
White supremacists?
tim pool
They called him a supremacist.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
They said that he was proving that he believes in his supremacy.
They couldn't call him a white supremacist because he's a Cuban
immigrant, but they still tried.
And they called him racist.
And they said he thinks black lives don't matter.
adam crigler
He said that?
Or they're putting that in his mouth?
tim pool
No, he definitely did not say that.
He said he stands with the community.
He stands with all people.
He's got his family.
He's got black family.
He's got a gay son.
He absolutely believes in social justice and civil rights.
But the only thing they can do is, that's the only weapon they have.
There's a tweet going around saying that the left is really good at semantics.
They change the definition of words and they name themselves things that make it really hard to argue against for dumb people, like Black Lives Matter.
If you oppose this group of people threatening small businesses and demanding money, otherwise they have a list of repercussions for non-compliance, then you must not think Black Lives Matter.
adam crigler
Don Jr.
Donald Trump Jr.
retweeted your tweet just saying simply, that's extortion.
And he was right.
tim pool
That would be correct.
adam crigler
That's literally what this is.
They're extorting businesses for money.
tim pool
And you know how much I'd be willing to bet the cops aren't gonna do anything about it.
As we've seen with the expansion of morality policing, the mayor of Louisville is now saying that he thinks they should declare racism a public health crisis.
Well, if that's true, you can't go around arresting the people who are going to solve that problem, now can you?
And that's the trick, that's the lie.
So you got Antifa, but that just means anti-fascist.
While they go around giving explosives to people to start fires, blow things up, and beat people, If you say anything bad about him, you're pro-fascist.
So there's a fake tweet going around.
They do this all the time.
One of the biggest problems we have right now with the left using memes for news is that a good portion of them are just fake.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
One of them was a group saying, it was the LAPD I think, a fake tweet saying, we oppose Antifa and always will.
We're exactly the opposite of whatever Antifa is.
And so I read that knowing what Antifa is, and I'm like, oh, so they're like libertarian, you know, anarcho-capitalists.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
No, but because Antifa thinks, you know, from their perspective, Antifa just means opposed to fascism.
That means the LAPD was admitting they were fascists, when in reality the tweet was entirely fake.
There's a thread from Zach Goldberg going through a bunch of data points, and one of them is that the left is substantially more likely to have been diagnosed with mental health issues.
adam crigler
Wait, who is that?
Zach?
tim pool
I don't exactly know.
Do you know what his title is?
He's like a researcher, I think.
lydia smith
Yeah, he is.
He researches, I think, social justice.
I'll look him up.
adam crigler
Is he like a government position?
tim pool
No, no, no, I don't think so.
General academia.
He's a scientist, yeah.
Was he a social scientist?
lydia smith
Yeah, hold on, let me check.
tim pool
He might just be a random dude on Twitter who's pulling data from other social scientists.
lydia smith
Hold on, I'll read it.
adam crigler
Here we go.
I need the receipts.
lydia smith
Yeah, alright.
He's a PhD student slash wokeness studies caller researching the great awokening.
I don't know what school he's at though, so.
Yeah, he's a student.
tim pool
He's showing data from various charts and he's citing all of them.
But I say, I'm crediting him for putting a thread together.
And one of them shows that the further left you go, the more likely you are to have been diagnosed with a mental illness.
And, interestingly, the far right is more likely to have been diagnosed with a mental illness than conservatives.
So, I think they call it, like, strong conservative or something.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Meaning that there is a point where it's like, you go off into the deep end.
But one of the things he also pointed out was that the left is, has a really, a much higher index of depression.
And once you go towards the right, depression goes away.
Like, happiness and general life satisfaction goes way up.
Which makes me start to think something about what we see with like, what Black Lives Matter is doing, with what Antifa does and how they name their groups and then get away with this stuff.
I see from so many people, we mentioned this, that they just screenshot Facebook posts, they'll screenshot tweets, and that's their news, and they'll share these things.
And I've, like, I can't tell you how many times I've seen a bunch of these posts where they're like, if you're upset that someone's getting $600 a week in unemployment, then maybe, you know, these companies should be paying them more.
And I'm like, okay, the unemployment was a 100% guarantee plus $600.
So no matter how much they were making, they were still getting more money.
And so I've gone probably through like 50 posts where I see these pop up and I just like type it really quick, like, here's the thing, here's the thing, here's the thing, here's the thing.
But it's all they keep doing to share this information.
I think what we're seeing is not that liberals or leftists are more likely to be mentally ill.
It's that mentally ill people are more likely to be leftist.
Why?
Because they believe fake news, they believe these fake memes, these fake tweets, these fake posts, and then you end up with moderates and conservatives and non-mentally ill liberals who all fall under one tent saying, like, we oppose this kind of behavior.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But if you get a group that says, you know, their name is Black Lives Matter, and a regular person can understand the distinction between that doesn't literally mean they think that, especially when there have been several people who have lost their lives who have been black during the riots and they said nothing about it, or that Antifa literally, you know, just because you call yourself the good guys doesn't mean you're the good guys, Whether you're a liberal, a moderate or conservative, you can understand those concepts.
If you're not all with it, you probably can't.
And you get your information from memes.
And if it's, if it's beyond just like a diagnosed mental illness, and it's literally somebody who's just like, like a bunch of low IQ people, then they're not going to be able to sort through this stuff.
And they're just going to be forming angry mobs, which is literally what they're doing.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And then when a group goes around threatening businesses, well, no one stops them because the angry mob is loud.
adam crigler
Yeah, and they thrive as victims.
The whole victimhood thing is rampant on the far left.
They really thrive in being victims together.
I mean, everything they're talking about is, we're victims, we're victims, we're victims, and that's it.
Basically, if you look at everything they say, that's the root.
They're all victims.
They're all being oppressed.
tim pool
I think a lot of them know that they're lying about being victims.
And I think it's like narcissistic personality disorder, borderline, you know, histrionic, all of this like really just aggressive and angry.
And so they're going around and threatening people with the weapon they've been handed.
adam crigler
Victimhood.
tim pool
So they see it.
It's like a clear path.
Hey man, I'll go to this business and I'll walk up and I'll say, here's my demands.
You're going to pay up or no?
And then when they say no, smash some of their property up and say, we'll be back.
So these are the, I read the demands already.
I think there's a, look at this.
I'm not going to read this.
This is, this is the new Lou business owners representation contract.
I'm not going to read it, but I'm almost, I almost have to.
So you can, so you, so people can hear what it is, but I don't want to say these words.
I'll read the first part.
I, as a business owner in the gentrified Nulu business district, understand that gentrification targets poor and disadvantaged communities of color, and as such, I acknowledge that the original residents—here we go, my business has played a part in this—that the community members were replaced, that many of the original residents were repatriated.
I am therefore committing to, you know, fix things.
And then they say, To correct this lack of representation, I commit to increasing black representation in my business operations, and this shall include, this is where they say, you know, staff and management positions, you know, for black employees, buying from black vendors, or giving 1.5% of our monthly annual profits.
23% of black businesses in board membership in the NuLu Business Association.
Here's my favorite, uh, here's my favorite part.
They mention, uh, I can't search through this.
One of the things they say is that you have to submit, that we demand you submit to a voluntary audit.
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
Yes.
adam crigler
Well, that's not voluntary.
You're demanding it.
tim pool
We demand you submit to a voluntary, you know, uh, where is it?
Where is it?
Whatever.
Here's, uh, it's in here somewhere, but this is a photo, so I can't actually do a search for it.
But here check this out repercussions of non-compliance.
Reduction in racial index score bias report to the Better Business Bureau.
I don't think these people realize that that's like telling someone you're going to complain to Google.
adam crigler
They want to speak to the manager?
tim pool
The Better Business Bureau is like, they don't do anything.
It's just like, it's like Yelp.
It's like Yelp before the internet.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
So it's like, I'm going to call the Better Business Bureau and people are like, I don't care.
adam crigler
Okay, Karen.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
Social media blast.
Notification via all social media platforms of non-compliance.
Boycott.
Public boycott coordinated through social media and mail announcements of your NuLu establishment and any other business ventures owned by you.
Protest.
Visible media cover demonstration sitting outside your establishment.
Invasive reclamation.
Placement of booths and tables outside your establishment where competing black proprietors will offer items comparable to those offered by you.
adam crigler
Wow.
That sounds an awful lot like extortion, Tim.
tim pool
It does.
The only thing is that the demands are more of an ideological bent.
So it's like, what would it be called?
I guess it's still extortion.
Like what would it be called if like a bunch of Mormons walked around and they like went to business to business, but instead of being polite and happy with smiles on their face, they had like bats and they were like, give, donate to the church or else.
That'd still be extortion.
adam crigler
Extortion.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
It's like a sharia patrol.
tim pool
Yeah, morality policing.
lydia smith
Literally, yeah.
tim pool
So we were talking the other day and I was like, I said the police will come to your house and knock on the door and say you can't play rap music anymore.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It was a bit of an exaggeration, but this is basically it.
They're going to, so not necessarily the residential houses yet, they've done that to politicians.
We'll see if they start going to regular people, which they probably will in my opinion soon.
They're going to businesses now and saying, here's what you must do to be in the good graces of the movement.
And they want you to admit this is crazy.
I blank see and support the black community as a business owner, I dedicate my time, I pledge, therefore blah blah blah.
You gotta put your name, you gotta put your business address, and sign an apology.
Acknowledging the faults of your privilege.
You have to submit.
We demand you submit to a voluntary audit.
I wonder if... I want to find that.
But anyway, this is what they're demanding of people.
In which case... What is this?
Mafia?
adam crigler
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
tim pool
So now, here's what I... I don't think the police will do anything about it.
You can have everybody in the world tweet about it, but we've already seen... I do not see the police crossing, you know, these activists, or extremists, or whatever you want to call it, mafiosos.
They're just going to keep doing what they're doing.
No one's going to stop them.
But there are people who are starting to speak up.
So, to be fair, this guy in Louisville at this restaurant is, you know, standing up, pushing back, and saying no.
Yep.
Now they have, uh, what is this?
The level of representation shall be achieved by August 17th, 2020, with incremental increases of 5% in each six-month period.
Well, there you go.
This is what we can expect to happen.
And now, when you look at how the press handles this kind of stuff, this is why I'm not confident that we're gonna see de-escalation.
I don't know if you saw what happened with the NBA dude.
adam crigler
What was his name?
tim pool
Jonathan Isaacs?
adam crigler
Yeah.
Yeah, I saw it.
It's terrible what they're... I mean, the Democrats and the crazy left are basically being like, good.
Good riddance.
He got hurt.
tim pool
It's karma.
Well, so he's the guy who stood for the national anthem.
And even his teammates seem to be supporting him, like, let him do his thing.
And then he tore his ACL, which was already weakened.
He had a knee brace on.
And then he goes for a jump shot, I guess, or something, or a dunk.
I don't know.
I'm not a basketball kind of guy.
Uh, but he falls.
He falls down.
And now they're like, irony, they're laughing, haha, he stood for the national anthem, stuff like that.
But when it happens, you can see the other people wearing the Black Lives Matter sweaters.
They, you know, they run in and they're like, concerned about him.
I think that, that to me was, was like, you know, a good sign that even these dudes who are, you know, clearly doing two different kind of movements or whatever still recognize their friends and all that.
But based on how we've seen the treatment of Herman Cain, when he passed, versus John Lewis, when you see what happens to this NBA player, the media, like, listen.
The Courier-Journal, of course, is talking about the story.
There's protests going on.
It's local news.
Did CNN cover it?
New York Times?
Washington Post?
Vox?
adam crigler
No, they don't want to show people standing up against this.
tim pool
They don't want to show them extorting people.
adam crigler
Or extorting people, right?
Both.
You know?
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
You hear what happened in Rockford, Illinois?
tim pool
No, what happened?
adam crigler
So there was a Back the Blue protest.
Just a bunch of people.
And I guess at the very, the tail end, there was like four or five anti-Back the Blue, you know, Black Lives Matter, yelling Black Lives Matter at them.
And then they got violent and they sent SWAT in there and took them out.
tim pool
The far leftists?
adam crigler
The far leftists.
They arrested each one of them.
For each of these things, that's also not on the news.
We're seeing these specific examples of this.
This isn't even being on the news.
But morality policing, sure it's happening.
But at the same time, I'm seeing plenty of other instances where these cops are like, we're not going to take this.
This is, this is ridiculous.
We're not the masked police.
We're, you know, you, you get violent in our town, we're going to arrest you and you're going to go to prison.
And that's what happened.
tim pool
Well, let's see if Louisville does it.
I mean, the mayor is clearly supporting this weird intersectional identity stuff.
But, you know, to be fair, too, I want to make sure we clarify, when they say the media won't cover it, it typically refers to national-level media.
Like, Brian Stelter on CNN goes on his show and he goes, and there it is!
More proof of dictator Donald Trump, or some other stupid nonsense.
Because Trump tweeted about delaying the election, question mark?
And I tweeted, I'm like, Trump tweeted.
The governor of New Jersey had small business owners arrested for trying to open their gym in a sleepy suburb.
So you want to talk to me about who's a dictator, who's a fascist, whatever?
It's absolutely insane, man.
adam crigler
And then we got Black Lives Mafia over here.
And, you know, Louisville.
How is this not news?
How are people not talking about this?
tim pool
I've heard stuff like this has happened in other places.
I just couldn't find any confirmation.
adam crigler
It's crazy.
tim pool
Because that's a big issue.
Are people actually going to cover this?
And the Courier-Journal, I believe, is part of USA Today, but it reaches the national level because I tweet about it.
So, look, when I posted this story the first time, I didn't think I'd get that many retweets.
I got like 20,000.
And I was like, whoa.
And now all of a sudden we're starting to see conservative outlets, conservative commentary starting to cover this.
Of course.
But the mainstream large news outlets have been totally co-opted by the far left.
So this is the important thing to realize when people talk about the mainstream media is that there's clearly left-wing media, there's clearly right-wing media, and then there's establishment corporate media that is dominated entirely by far-left ideology or at least bends the knee to it.
We're just going to make things really, really interesting as we move now into an election, because we have this New York Times article from Ben Smith.
It's really interesting.
He mentions that our media operates like election commissions.
When we're trying to figure out who actually won, we go about this in a really weird way.
The news outlets just tell us, and we assume they're telling the truth, even though they're just making predictions.
Isn't that weird?
adam crigler
Yeah, I mean, I guess weird isn't what I would use, the term.
tim pool
Well, I always assumed that, like, the official reporting coming in to the news outlets was that they would hear from, like, the state election board saying, we've confirmed this is the results.
That's not the case.
They're taking, like, polling data and they're making phone calls and then saying, here's our projection.
adam crigler
Hey, who did you vote for?
Hey, who did you vote for?
Who did you vote for?
Is that what they're saying, what they do?
Because who's going to tell him Trump?
No one's going to say that.
We've known that.
tim pool
Well, they did in 2016, right?
They didn't want to.
And they do call the election boards, but ultimately it's just like they're not certified results.
And so what ends up happening is we had the very famous 2000 moment where Fox News called Florida for George Bush, but then everyone said he didn't.
And they were like, wait, what happened?
And then Al Gore rescinded his concession.
And then it went to the courts and then Bush won.
Because the media is telling us who won.
lydia smith
Great.
tim pool
Instead of us, like, waiting a week, we created this spectacle where the day of election.
Now we're not going to have that.
adam crigler
Well, no one trusts the media either anymore.
So, you know, that's not going to work anyway.
tim pool
This story here from the Boston Globe is... This is actually a relatively old story.
It's from June.
But we're getting new information on a bipartisan group secretly gathering to game out a contested Trump-Biden election.
And it wasn't pretty, they say.
I can go through all the details, but suffice to say, it's very, very simple.
All of the scenarios result in street-level violence, political impasse.
The law is essentially helpless.
They predicted four scenarios, one in which Trump wins, but only with the Electoral College.
And in that scenario, Joe Biden would not concede.
adam crigler
Well, and you said this earlier, all of the people that are in this group doing this don't like Trump at all.
tim pool
Yeah, they're all never Trumpers.
All of them.
So what's really interesting is actually this column from Ben Smith over at the New York Times, how the media would get the election story wrong.
We may not know the results for days and maybe weeks, so it's time to rethink election night.
I don't think there's going to be an election night or even election month.
Right now in New York City, they're still trying to count the mail-in ballots from six weeks ago, and they don't know who won these primaries.
adam crigler
The mail-in ballots.
Sounds like there's something fishy with mail-in ballots.
tim pool
But take a look at how the column ends, and then we'll talk about what this means in terms of these scenarios.
Conveniently, a group of former top government officials called the Transition Integrity Project actually gamed four possible scenarios, including one that doesn't look that different from 2016, a big popular win for Mr. Biden, and a narrow electoral defeat, presumably reached after weeks of counting the votes in Pennsylvania.
For their war game, they cast John Podesta, who was Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, in the role of Mr. Biden.
They expected him, when the votes came in, to concede, just as Mrs. Clinton had.
The only issue?
Yeah, he didn't.
Mr. Podesta, playing Biden, shocked the organizers by saying he felt his party wouldn't let him concede.
Alleging voter suppression, he persuaded the governors of Wisconsin and Michigan to send pro-Biden electors to the Electoral College, presumably at odds with what the results actually were.
In that scenario, California, Oregon, and Washington then threatened to secede from the United States if Mr. Trump took office as planned.
The House named Biden president.
The Senate and White House stuck with Trump.
At that point in the scenario, the nation stopped looking to media outlets for cues and waited to see what the military would do.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
So here's the scenario I have.
What happens when Fox News says Donald Trump has won, and then MSNBC says Joe Biden has won, and the results are insanely different?
And so then what?
adam crigler
You just said you had it.
You go.
What?
What do you think?
tim pool
Well, then you end up with this scenario exactly as they said it.
The left is going to argue we didn't lose.
We won.
It's reported in the press.
Fox News is fake news.
And then Fox is going to report it for Trump.
And then the people are going to say MSNBC, CNN, these are fake outlets.
You're going to have all the liberals saying, there's no way all of these outlets are fake.
Right-wing media is lying.
Joe Biden and his camp are going to say right-wing media is just trying to, they're fascists trying to support Trump.
And you're going to end up with people who actually read the news, who actually know the data, are going to be called right-wing.
And it won't matter what you believe or what you don't believe.
adam crigler
I think the military will side with Trump.
I think so.
tim pool
I think, I think so, but it's hard to know for sure.
We've already had several, you know, former generals come out against him and slam him.
adam crigler
That doesn't mean anything.
They're former, like the military right now.
I mean, I personally know people that are fed up with what's happening, saying, I'm sick of the Democrats.
I'm sick of what's going on.
And I'm just, I think they'd side with him.
They'd side with the president.
tim pool
Well, we need to see how the election goes, but there's an even worse scenario not listed in any of these games.
And that's an election night in-person polling landslide for Trump that they refuse to call because of mail-in ballots.
And then over the course of a few weeks, ballots keep pouring in and it flips for Biden.
adam crigler
550 million votes for Biden.
It's like there's there's only 350 million Americans.
tim pool
It could be something like Trump gets 64 million and they're like you know or because of mail-in voting it would go it would be split between Trump and Biden but they'll be like 50 million votes cast for Trump and 40 million for Biden It looks like it should be a landslide, but we still have mail-in ballots, so we're not going to call it tonight.
And then every week Biden gets, you know, three or four million and Trump gets like a half a million.
And then in the span of like three or four weeks, all of a sudden Joe Biden is now the winner.
And then no matter what happens, Trump's like, where are these ballots coming from?
How is this possible?
Where did all these votes come from?
Won't matter.
adam crigler
Well, they keep printing dollars.
Probably they keep printing ballots.
Just keep printing ballots.
We'll be good.
tim pool
The crazy thing is that this did happen in 2018, but the Republicans didn't contest it.
So there were races.
So this is an interesting thing.
I often talk about how I was wrong in 2018.
Maybe I wasn't, depending on how conspiratorial you want to get.
So I thought the Republicans were going to dominate.
They controlled every branch of everything, basically.
And I was like, considering this insanity that we're seeing in the press and cancel culture, I can't imagine that, you know, the House would flip, you know, this blue wave would really hit.
Conservatives basically won, for the most part, in the initial reporting.
And then I made a video saying it was a red wave, there was no blue wave.
But then over the next several days to a week or whatever, new votes just started popping in.
And then all of a sudden, the race just started flipping in favor of Democrats.
Trump said that this would happen, and basically, I don't know the exact tweets he put out, but something alluding to, you know, interference, fraud or whatever.
But then when they all won, no one of the Republicans tried to stop it.
Nobody filed suit.
It just accepted it as, you know, that's what happened.
And then, of course, the Democrats with their new House majority tried to impeach the president and then started doing a whole bunch of, you know, insane, insane stuff like Adam Schiff.
Published private details of an American journalist without a warrant.
adam crigler
That's messed up.
tim pool
Yeah, he used the subpoena power of Congress, and I guess Judicial Watch challenged them, and they lost.
Like, Congress is allowed to seize a private citizen's personal information, phone records, and publish them with no consequence.
adam crigler
That's messed up.
Yep.
tim pool
Take a look at this from the New York Times.
They say, Ben Smith writes, I spoke last week to executives, TV hosts, and election analysts across leading American newsrooms, and I was struck by the blithe confidence among some top managers and hosts who generally said they've handled complicated elections before and can do so again.
And I was alarmed by the near panic among some of the people paying close attention.
The analysts and producers trying and often failing to get answers from state election officials about how and when they will count the ballots and report results.
The nerds are freaking out, said Brandon Finnegan, the founder of Decision Desk HQ, which delivers election results to media outlets.
I don't think it's penetrated enough in the average viewer's mind that there's not going to be an election night.
The usual razzmatazz of a panel sitting around discussing election results, that's dead.
So, uh, how many buildings are going to get burned down on November 4th?
November 3rd?
adam crigler
I mean, I was just in Philadelphia yesterday and half of the buildings I was, I mean, I was driving down the street, half the buildings were boarded up.
They all had, you know, Black Lives Matter stuff written on the outside of the boards.
And all I can see is like, man, they're just pleading not to burn their business down.
That's all I can see.
It's scary.
Black Lives Mafia, man.
It's actually ringing true more and more.
The more we go on, it's been hijacked.
tim pool
That's what I've been saying.
They put up signs saying, please don't hurt us.
They paint in their windows, we support you, please, please.
They put up Antifa signs.
I'll tell you what, man, Antifa's out of the question at this point.
Antifa, as far as I'm concerned, the narrative of Antifa is over.
You know why?
adam crigler
Why?
tim pool
What used to be Antifa now just flies Black Lives Matter flags.
adam crigler
Right, that's a good point.
tim pool
They still have their Antifa flags, but they're wearing shirts that say Black Lives Matter.
They put up signs that say Black Lives Matter.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's the shield.
tim pool
Yeah, the shields say Black Lives Matter.
So they're no longer Antifa now.
Now there is an organization.
Congratulations!
They like to say Antifa isn't actually an organization.
Okay, Black Lives Matter is.
They receive funding and the people running around with shields have Black Lives Matter written on them.
adam crigler
They receive funding and they extort businesses.
tim pool
That's right.
Have any of the... and overtly as Black Lives Matter.
Now here's the important question.
Has any of these Black Lives Matter organizers with these massive protests in Portland, Oregon denounced the explosives being used?
adam crigler
Not that I know of.
tim pool
Not that I know of.
Maybe they did, and if they did, then, you know, thank you.
I'm glad, but I don't think they did.
So here's what I would say.
There's going to be some testimony before Congress about Antifa, and that's wrong.
Andy Ngo is going to be testifying, among other people.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
The people in Portland, they can claim to be Antifa.
They may have been Antifa in the past, but the 16 nights of violent riots was under the banner of Black Lives Matter.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
And I'm not saying that to agitate or to be emotional.
Literally, they have shields that say Black Lives Matter on them.
They put bills, like paper flyers, on the fencing saying Black Lives Matter.
It's reported in the press they're protesting for George Floyd and for Black Lives Matter.
Then Black Lives Matter has a national organization that raises tons of money.
They have high-profile personalities.
And have any of them called this out?
In fact, when it came to the dude in Louisville who's being extorted, they actually came out attacking the business owner for trying to resist the extortion attempt.
Has anyone from the parent organization condemned the extortion going on in Louisville?
Not that I've seen.
And that could just be me, it could be the media, to be fair.
But, not that I've seen.
In which case, the conversation needs to be put forth that Black Lives Matter needs to stop the violence, the explosives, the weapons, and there's even NAACP leaders calling this out.
In Oregon specifically, there's one guy who was saying that this whole event has become a white spectacle.
It was supposed to be about Black Lives Matter, and now they've just taken the whole thing over.
Numerous black activist leaders have been saying that the far left has co-opted Black Lives Matter.
Now you have overt Marxism and the far left engaging in violence.
They're not flying the Antifa flag anymore.
So that needs to be pointed out.
And if they have a problem with that, then you need to call out the violent extremists who are flying your flag and being extremists.
There's no excuse.
You got to do it.
So the interesting thing that Ben Smith brings up is that the media, for some reason, takes the place of national election commissions.
He says, here the media actually assembles the results from 50 states, tabulates them, and declares a victor.
And we can't really help ourselves.
The media establishes the narrative to explain what happened.
He then goes on to talk about how this resulted in, you know, 2000 with Gore V. Bush and all that stuff.
And then he basically brings up the point that they don't know what's going to happen.
Many of these people have not woken up to the fact that there's not going to be an election.
A lot of the people who work at say like CNN and MSNBC and all that seem to think that the companies that provide them data are able and ready and they're not.
So I can only imagine that you're gonna see like Wolf Blitzer standing there and he's gonna be like, no data coming in and we're five hours in.
Still no data, and then it's like 4 in the morning and it's like 0% across the board, nothing, nothing happens.
No election night.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So then what do we do as a country?
adam crigler
Oh, I wish I had all the answers.
I don't have any of them.
Anybody know?
unidentified
Anybody know what we do?
tim pool
Buy gold, buy bitcoin, buy a ranch.
adam crigler
Buy a bug out van.
tim pool
Yeah, get out of cities, I guess.
Yeah, I don't know.
adam crigler
Everyone's getting armed.
unidentified
That's true.
adam crigler
We've got record gun sales.
tim pool
I wonder, I really wonder about this.
You know, I was thinking about, we talk a lot about the potential for war and stuff, and maybe we can talk about this in a bit, like in a fuller segment, but I was curious, like, We've got people decentralizing our economy by leaving cities.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
We've got people buying weapons, people buying gold, people buying stocks.
And interestingly, it's like these things would greatly benefit us in a war.
But the other thing I realized, too, is that with the economy taking a massive hit, I wonder if we're going to reach every enlistment goal for every branch of the armed forces.
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
I'm not, you know, I could be wrong about this.
My understanding is that basically when the economy does bad, enlistment skyrockets because it's a guaranteed job.
So I wonder if this will still end up benefiting us as well.
There's talk.
Talk's floating around.
So while we're talking about media, I want to use this opportunity to jump to the next bit because, you know, when it comes to extortion, when it comes to the media, when it comes to the lies, man, this story right here.
This is just like a personal blog for Ariana N. Picari.
Personal news, why I'm now leaving MSNBC.
You know why she's leaving?
Because of fake news.
adam crigler
Finally.
It's refreshing to see someone actually leave.
Because, I mean, that's basically what you did, you know, when they were like...
tim pool
They wouldn't let me leave.
adam crigler
I mean, I still did work.
tim pool
I did work, but they didn't like what I was producing.
So I worked for a company that was a joint venture between ABC News and Univision, and they did not like the content I was doing because they wanted to do social justice.
adam crigler
Because it was honest.
tim pool
No, no, no, it's not even that.
I went to Fukushima.
adam crigler
I know, it was cool.
tim pool
Yeah, so I went to Japan and we did this story about, you know, the radioactive disaster, the nuclear disaster.
It was a clever idea.
I was like, the idea I had for a good documentary series was to take a look at video games and movies that have concepts, and then produce documentaries around the concepts, so you have like a non-fiction version that explores the ideas.
So, when Fallout 4 was coming out, I was like, why don't we go to, you know, Fukushima, we'll call it Fallout from Fukushima, and then when everyone's really excited about this video game, we'll have like a, hey, here's the real world, you can learn some facts, and it worked out really well.
adam crigler
Yeah, it was a good series.
tim pool
So, the interesting thing about it, it's not political.
They didn't like it.
They wanted woke politics, and I didn't want to do it.
adam crigler
I want those clicks, baby!
tim pool
Well, it wasn't clicks.
I was getting clicks.
I was getting more views than, like, basically anybody at the company.
And they even told me that the president of the company said, you get more traffic than anyone else here.
And I was like, then why won't you listen?
They were obsessed with embracing far-left intersectionality and feminism.
And I could only speculate as to why based on Wait, hold on.
What happened to them?
their consultants. So the consultants may be the end-all be-all but it was
basically them they believed that in the next several years this country will be
entirely intersectional. Seems like they weren't entirely wrong though the
company didn't couldn't succeed in actually generating any kind of buzz but
they believed within the next you know five to ten years or so this would be it
the entire country would be woke and therefore you must be woke now to get in
adam crigler
early to win. Wait hold on what happened to them? Didn't they go broke? Oh yeah
tim pool
Yeah, they went super broke.
adam crigler
Ha ha!
tim pool
That's...
All that money just gone.
We'll take a look at this story.
Let's actually read.
So I'm not familiar with who Ariana Pecari is, but she writes, quote, just quit.
That's the advice Alec gave a year and a half ago when I expressed concerns about my job.
You just quit.
It's that simple.
Stay at MSNBC at least until the midterms, Jeffrey said a couple years back.
He advised to watch and see what happens.
Hang in there, you're needed, Elizabeth recommended last winter.
I was in your shoes when I was younger, but I stuck it out.
A year and a half ago, simply quitting my job without knowing my next step sounded pretty radical.
So I stuck it out a bit longer, until we were in the middle of a pandemic to make a truly radical move.
July 24th was my last day at MSNBC.
I don't know what I'm going to do next, exactly, but I simply couldn't stay there anymore.
My colleagues are very smart people with good intentions.
The problem is the job itself.
It forces skilled journalists to make bad decisions on a daily basis.
You may not watch MSNBC, but just know that this problem still affects you, too.
All the commercial networks function the same, and no doubt that content seeps into your social media feed one way or the other.
It's possible that I'm more sensitive to the editorial process due to my background in public radio, where no decision I ever witnessed was predicated on how a topic or a guest would rate.
The longer I was at MSNBC, the more I saw such choices.
It's practically baked into the editorial process, and those decisions affect news content every day.
Likewise, it's taboo to discuss how the rating scheme distorts content or it's simply taken for granted.
Because everyone in the commercial broadcast news industry is doing the exact same thing.
But behind closed doors, industry leaders will admit the damage that's being done.
Quote, you're gonna love it.
You guys ready for the nuclear bomb?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We are a cancer and there is no cure, a successful and insightful TV veteran said to me.
But if you could find a cure, it would change the world.
adam crigler
It's easy.
It's the easiest cure in the world.
You just stop watching.
You stop watching.
Everyone stops watching them.
Everyone realizes that they're fake.
No one's gonna go.
Their ratings will die.
tim pool
You know, look, MSNBC and CNN are as fake as they can get, but people are addicted to this stuff.
They believe it, they trust it, and they grew up being told Fox News is fake news.
Fox News is biased, for sure, but their daytime news stuff is actually really good.
And I've heard journalism professors say this stuff, but the left can't accept it.
They've been wrapped up into this resistance, insane mindset, and this is what you get?
You get people who exploit this, and they grow, and they become powerful.
Now, to be fair, if you look at my content, it is absolutely hyper-focused.
A lot of the stuff we talk about is, you know, very political.
It has its buys and everything.
But there's a big difference between, you know, for my content, a dude who reads the news and talks about his opinion and tries to make sure, you know, I'm telling you what I think is reasonable and honest to the best of my abilities as kind of a, you know, independent, left-leaning, you know, kind of person.
And then you have, for this show, a small group of people just opining on cultural issues in politics and talking about the election coming up.
When you compare those things, the big difference to, say, MSNBC is an editorial boss who says, no, I know you care about that story, Adam.
We're not going to run with it because it's not going to do well for the show.
I want to talk about space, but we're going to talk about space so that we actually have spacex ready
You know yeah, so we're going to talk about like spacex and stuff and there have been segments
We've done. I can't remember which segment. We did didn't do all that well, and it was because something we wanted to
talk about But that's the thing when you're an individual and you're
like here's stuff I care about and I want to talk about this and people like
listening to what you say about these certain topics. You'll do well
But then if you look at YouTube guess what?
YouTube, where all of this political commentary exists, is not unified.
If you watch, you know, Steven Crowder, you're gonna get a conservative opinion.
You watch Tim Pool, you're gonna get a more moderate opinion.
You watch Kyle Kalinske, you'll get a progressive opinion.
And it's all under the same YouTube.
Imagine if MSNBC was like that.
You turn it on at any given point, or you go to their website, and you have a bunch of different political opinions.
That's what happens when YouTube and Facebook or whatever, I'm not a big fan of these big tech companies, but when they allow individuals to create content, you end up with independent editorial decisions.
And I'll talk to people who say they watch me, they watch Crowder, and Jimmy Dore.
Jimmy Dore, I think, is a socialist.
Is he?
adam crigler
He's pretty far left.
lydia smith
Yeah, he is.
tim pool
Is he a socialist?
Yeah.
Because I don't want to tell him what his views are.
I think Jimmy's great.
He's anti-establishment.
He's pretty far left.
But there are people who will watch all of us That's good for you.
If you only watch MSNBC, you're probably going insane.
And that's why this woman quits.
Let's read a little bit more.
She says, As it is, this cancer stokes national division, even in the middle of a civil rights crisis.
The model blocks diversity of thought and content because the networks have incentive to amplify fringe voices and events at the expense of others, all because it pumps up the ratings.
This cancer risks human lives, even in the middle of a pandemic.
The primary focus quickly became what Donald Trump was doing poorly to address the crisis, rather than the science itself.
As new details have become available about antibodies, a vaccine, or how COVID actually spreads, producers still want to focus on the politics.
Important facts or studies get buried.
This cancer risks our democracy, even in the middle of a presidential election.
Any discussion about the election usually focuses on Donald Trump, not Joe Biden.
A repeat offense from 2016.
Trump smothers out all other coverage.
Also important is to ensure citizens can vote by mail this year, but I've watched that topic get ignored or killed numerous times.
Wow.
Context and factual data are often considered too cumbersome for the audience.
There may be some truth to that.
Our education system really should improve critical thinking skills of Americans.
I'm sorry, Ariana, I don't think they help.
I think they hinder, to be honest.
But another hard truth is that it is the job of journalists to teach and inform, which means they might need to figure out a better way to do that.
They could contemplate more creative methods for captivating an audience.
Just about anything would improve the current process, which can be pretty rudimentary.
Think basing today's content on whatever rated well yesterday, or look to see what's trending online today.
adam crigler
She did make a good point, though, about that education.
She said it really should improve.
Not that it doesn't.
That's what she's saying.
So, you know, you just said you don't agree with her, but she's literally saying that schools should improve critical thinking skills.
That's what we need.
We need more people using critical thinking to handle things.
tim pool
I guess I should say, to clarify, I don't think schools will work.
I'm not convinced that, without some kind of radical, absolute deconstruction of the entire system, and reforming in a totally radical and different way, I am 100% opposed to institutionalized learning facilities, which separate kids from their parents so they don't learn from their parents, puts them under the care of people who typically don't care about them, and then sends them off to colleges where you get a bunch of radical lunatics who don't actually work in their field.
adam crigler
I agree.
The system is messed up.
The school system needs... I mean, it goes back to unions, really.
The teachers' unions are protecting bad teachers, and it's a bad system.
tim pool
It's so beyond that, though.
It's partly rooted in the fact that people use school as daycare.
adam crigler
Yeah, what we were talking about earlier.
tim pool
So, I'll ask you something about college.
Let me ask you guys what you think.
If someone was supposed to learn how to run a media business or be a producer in a media company, would they be better served spending all of their time in school and going to college for it, or literally just sitting across the room from us right now, every time we do a show?
adam crigler
I'm just looking over.
You didn't go to school for this, did you?
lydia smith
I did not, no.
I came in and I sat down next to Tim and I learned everything I know from Tim.
And it's been great.
Super hands-on and everything I need to know I learned as I needed to know.
It's great.
tim pool
The point is obvious.
You have a lot of people going to journalism school and they're learning from people who aren't actually in the field.
You look at these journalism professors on Twitter and what are they?
They're far left.
They're all far left.
And I'm like, they don't even know what they're talking about half the time.
Like, I mean facts.
Like, sure, you can give your opinion on, you know, the morality of objective versus subjective blah blah blah, ethics and all that, but do you even know the fact?
You didn't do any research.
So you have these professors.
They've actually called me in to give guest lectures on, like, methodology and technology and new reporting techniques.
So why would you spend money to literally go to a room to learn from someone who isn't working in the field?
It makes no sense.
But anyway, that's a whole other conversation.
Let's go back to ranting about the media.
She says, Occasionally, the producers will choose to do a topic or story without regard for how they think it will rate, but that is the exception, not the rule.
Due to the simple structure of the industry, the desire to charge more money for commercials, as well as the ratings bonuses that top tier decision makers earn, may always relapse I understand that the journalistic process is largely subjective, and any group of individuals may justify a different set of priorities on any given day.
Therefore, it's particularly notable to me, for one, that nearly every rundown at the network basically is the same, hour after hour, and two, they use this subjective nature of the news to justify economically beneficial decisions.
I've even heard producers deny their role as journalists.
A very capable senior producer once said, our viewers don't really consider us the news, they come to us for comfort.
unidentified
MSNBC.
tim pool
You know what I gotta say though?
It's true of everything though.
I'm sure it's true for a lot of people who come to watch us.
But, all I can really say is... We... Look, MSNBC has a boss.
And that boss tells the underlings, who tell their underlings, these stories don't fly at this network.
We talk about what we think is important, we often pull up the biggest stories of the day, and then we literally just give our feelings about it.
And often, Adam and I will disagree about it.
Imagine if, in this show, I was like, Adam, you gotta stop doing that.
It's better for the ratings if you just say what should be said instead of what you actually think.
adam crigler
Oh, I'm resisting the urge to give him two middle fingers.
But I'm not going to do it.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Because we'll get demonetized?
adam crigler
Will I?
Will we?
No.
That's a joke, though.
That's a joke.
No, I just don't want people clipping that.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
But look, there's a fair point in that we won't swear because you'll lose money.
Well, I mean, to be fair, I am probably overly critical.
I get several emails from people asking us not to specifically so their kids can listen in and stuff like that.
lydia smith
Yeah, I like that about it.
tim pool
So I'll be fair in that regard, but I do think it plays a major role in why I won't swear.
Why should I lose?
You lose like 70% of revenue when you say one swear word.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, some ridiculous amount.
So it absolutely does play a role in everyone.
But ultimately though, what I think I want to talk about, I just talk about it.
And the same for what we do versus what they do.
I don't think there's a perfect solution though.
I think any company that grows enough will fall victim to this.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I think even if I were to make a massive company, were I to maintain editorial control, I'd be like, no, I don't like that story for this reason.
Why are we, you know, wasting time on these certain things?
And that's why when it comes to, say, Scanner, which is doing production, I tell them, you pick, you do what you want to do.
And I think that's the best I can say for as how I'm trying to do things differently to stop this.
We've got Scanner, if you're not familiar, and they're off producing stuff, and the most I can do is like, why would you guys do this and that, huh?
Interesting.
Whatever.
But they have full editorial control.
I don't.
And that's how it's supposed to be.
Newsrooms are supposed to be editorially independent for this reason.
They're not.
She says, personally, I don't think the people need to change.
I think the job itself needs to change.
There's a better way to do this.
I'm not so cynical to think that we are absolutely doomed, though we are on that path.
Well, I disagree.
I think the media industry is doomed, if that's what she means.
I know we can find a cure.
If we can figure out how to send a man to the moon, if Alex Trebek can defy the odds with stage 4 pancreatic cancer, and if Harry Reid can actually overcome pancreatic cancer, he's now cancer free, then we can fix this.
Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it's faced.
I know James Baldwin wasn't thinking about MSNBC when he wrote that line in 1962.
But those words spoke loudly to me in the summer of 2020.
Unfortunately, many of the same ailments are still at stake today.
Now, maybe we can't really change the inherently broken structure of broadcast news, but I know for certain that it won't change unless we actually face it in public and at least try to change it.
Now, I gotta, I gotta be real.
It sounds like she's actually like a lefty Democrat, liberal, like she, it doesn't seem to be a fan of Trump.
She seems to be into social justice, but she knows the destruction, the damage of this whirlpool of fake news.
lydia smith
You know who she reminds me of a little bit?
unidentified
Who?
lydia smith
Is Matt Taibbi.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
A little bit.
tim pool
These liberals are waking up, man.
lydia smith
Yeah.
And they have voices.
I appreciate that.
tim pool
Yeah.
She says, though this pandemic and the surreal alienating lockdown, through this pandemic, I've witnessed many people question their lives and what they're doing with their time on this planet.
I reckon I'm one of those people looking for greater meaning and truth.
As much as I love my life in New York, In New York City, and really don't want to leave?
I feel fortunate to be able to return to Virginia in the near term to reconnect with family, friends, and a community of independent journalists.
I am both nervous and excited about this change.
Thanks to COVID-19, I'm learning to live with uncertainty.
And so very soon, I'm going to be seeking you out.
Any one of you who also may sense that the news is fundamentally flawed and is frustrated by it.
This effort will start informally, but I hope to crystallize a plan for when better, safer days are upon us.
On that front, feel free to reach out anytime if you would like to discuss any of this.
Whether in agreement or not, more than ever, I'm craving full and civil discourse.
Until next time, thank you for reading.
I wish you all well, Ariana.
lydia smith
That's so great.
tim pool
You know what's interesting?
Civil discourse.
That's what she's wishing for.
adam crigler
Yep, exactly.
tim pool
Bill Maher recently ran a segment where they were wishing for civil discourse.
They were complaining about the far-left cancel culture, and now we're starting to see more and more.
So I know Bill Maher has called us out, but we're starting to see more and more people are challenging the far-left, the anti-discourse narrative, and they're challenging how the media is fueling into this.
So bravo to her.
adam crigler
Have you ever seen this?
tim pool
What is this?
adam crigler
So this is the Missouri Press Association.
It's a plaque from J.W.
Brown Jr. and he's I mean this is an older this has been around for a while
it's called the journalist creed and I'm just gonna I'm just gonna read some of
these it's I can't really zoom in but I'm gonna just kind of I'm gonna read it
from here let me see if I can try and make it bigger so the number one is I
believe in the profession of journalism I believe that the pub oh oh do you just
blew it up oh that's way easier okay I believe that the public journal is a
public trust that all connected with it are to the full measure of their
responsibility trustees for the public that ignorant or that acceptance of a
lesser service than the public service is a betrayal of that trust
I believe that clear thinking and clear statement accuracy and fairness are fundamental to good journalism.
I believe that a journalist should write only what he holds in his heart to be true.
I believe that suppression of the news for any consideration other than the welfare of society is indefensible.
tim pool
I gotta stop there.
adam crigler
Go ahead.
tim pool
The welfare of society.
Suppression of the news for any consideration other than the welfare of society.
I completely disagree.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, look what they're doing now.
They're going to say racism is a public health crisis.
Therefore, hate speech must be suppressed.
Any news, any science, any information that would be bad for our cohesion must be suppressed.
adam crigler
Well, I mean, in that same argument, you could talk about the doctors that say they've made a breakthrough in helping people get through COVID-19.
And they're suppressing... And they're suppressing that, and that's the exact opposite of what you just said, so I mean... We have the Yale MD-PhD... What's his name?
tim pool
Harvey Risch?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Writing op-eds saying, you know, we have a way to help fight, you know, this COVID pandemic.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And I'm going to be careful about the words I choose on purpose because YouTube will ban me.
adam crigler
Well, that word you don't want to say, that isn't the case anyway.
I don't know if I even want to say it.
Risk saying it because it's not.
It's not what it is.
It's just something that helps.
It helps.
tim pool
Look at this.
Look how insane this is.
adam crigler
I know.
Well, I've learned from you, and I don't want to risk your show.
I mean, it's my show as well, you know, but I don't want to risk it.
tim pool
We can say something very simple.
Dr. Harvey Risch of Yale, MD, PhD, said hydroxychloroquine can help us through this pandemic.
I'll leave it at that, okay?
That's what he said.
It's a Newsweek op-ed.
He's an epidemiologist at Yale.
He teaches, and we can't even say this, for the betterment of society.
lydia smith
It's amazing.
tim pool
Think about how many people died.
Right now, I saw a story, I don't know if you have this, that Gretchen Whitmer, what happened with that about the nursing homes?
lydia smith
She rejected a bill to make it unlawful to put Yeah, people are dying.
And there's a Yale PhD MD saying like, yo, this might help us.
That's all I'll say.
That's because that's what he said.
It could help us.
And we could get banned.
tim pool
She said it was a- Yeah, people are dying.
And there's a Yale PhD MD saying like, yo, this might help us.
That's all I'll say.
That's because that's what he said.
It could help us.
And we could get banned.
We could get banned for even saying that right now.
adam crigler
So the problem that I see with what you're telling me about this line
is that you have to hold each one of these things true to get to that point.
So if that's the case, then they wouldn't be suppressing this stuff because they know it's not true.
They're, you know, read before.
It's like they got a hold in their heart to what they know is to be true that bring the facts, you know, so it's clear and accurate.
tim pool
Who determines what's better for society though?
adam crigler
Well, it's not about what's better.
It's about the truth, bringing the truth to the table and showing that to the people, because the people are the people who decide.
tim pool
If you had somehow definitive proof that Joe Biden was Kang from The Simpsons, an alien invader, and by revealing it, it would completely destabilize and result in chaos.
But if you don't, and he wins, then aliens take over.
Like, you've got two potentially bad scenarios.
You make a decision, yourself, about which one you think is the betterment of society, right?
adam crigler
That's an extreme example, but I would want the people to know the truth!
tim pool
A better example would say, like, collateral murder.
We'll use that one.
A video released by WikiLeaks that shows the US killing Reuters journalists.
They editorialized the title, Collateral Murder, but it shows like, I guess it's been a long time, it's been like a decade, but it's like an Apache helicopter and they see people walking so they just shoot them and they die.
And there's a real decision about whether or not to release that information because it could destabilize, cause massive protests, economic destruction, harm to people's business and lives.
And so there are, there literally are journalists who are like, I can see this, we better not talk about it because the repercussions will be devastating to the American public and it won't better anything.
But there are other people, like Julian Assange, who would say no, that people have a right to know what their government is doing in their name.
Both would think that their position is the right position.
So it's difficult, it really is.
It does come down to the subjective morality of the individual who wants to publish the information.
adam crigler
And yet when we have news sources on the left side that people are now quitting because they can't even stand that being in the, you know, working for these people, but then people on the right that are trying to push the truth out there, getting banned from everything, getting squashed, getting canceled, you know, so now it's only okay to just talk about this left stuff, which we're finding out people don't even want to do that anymore.
They realize that it's a cancer to society.
So it's not for the benefit of anyone.
You know, so they've decided on their own without the rest of the people discussing it.
You know, they're just making these decisions on their own with all the power behind them.
That's not okay with me.
I would much rather let everyone know that Biden's an alien.
tim pool
If you knew who he was.
adam crigler
If I had the proof?
tim pool
Oh yeah!
adam crigler
I'd blast it everywhere.
tim pool
I mean, I certainly have my limits, but I lean towards complete transparency.
The challenge is when you recognize we're not the only country on this planet.
And one of the things I've learned from a lot of these hard transparency activists is they act as though the U.S.
is the only country.
That's a good point.
It's interesting when you see that these far leftists, their ideology only exists under the presumption of these people that they're white supremacists.
So they talk about whiteness and all of these things, but the perspective of the intersectional left is the perspective of a white supremacist.
adam crigler
In America.
tim pool
Right.
And exactly.
They view this country as being the only country, and the same is true for a lot of the anti-war people.
Their narrative of America the evil empire is operating under the assumption that we're the only country on the planet.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
And it ignores all the atrocities of China.
I mean, look at Greta Thunberg.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Her whole narrative about it's so America-centric.
It's insane.
adam crigler
Well, not just China.
I mean, in Africa, I mean, there's slaves being traded right now in multiple countries, you know.
And China, I mean, Nike straight up can't prove that they don't use slave labor to make their shoes.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
That, you know, I see the Nike on every NBA when they're standing up for Black Lives Matter.
But then, of course, those same uniforms that they're wearing are probably made from slaves in China.
It's like, That's crazy to me.
They're just blind to it.
They're like, nope, we're so virtuous because, you know, we're wearing this shirt now.
tim pool
I had a friend who, I think I've told this story before, you know, argue with me how they were fighting for the betterment of the world.
And I said, no, you're fighting for the betterment of yourself.
adam crigler
Yep, absolutely.
tim pool
And they were like, that's not true.
I'm hoping to make the world a better place.
And I was like, you're using a laptop that was built in Foxconn laboratories.
adam crigler
Right, exactly.
tim pool
Where people are basically crammed in tiny boxes, work 16 hour days, and are committing mass suicide because they're slaves.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
I was like, if you really care about the world, you wouldn't be giving your resources to that.
And that, I think, was a hard wake-up call.
And the response was?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
But I'm more effective with this.
Of course you are!
Of course you are!
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
That's great that you use slave labor.
adam crigler
You're more effective at furthering yourself with that.
tim pool
Yep.
Thinking you're doing good.
I remember seeing this documentary where a bunch of activists went to the CEO of Shell
Corporation and they were yelling at his house and he came out and sat down with them and
talked to them and they were like, your company is doing all these bad things and he's like,
yeah I know.
And they were like, well stop it.
He's like, that's what I'm doing.
And they're like, you are?
And he's like, yeah, yeah, I'm putting all this stuff in place to try and make the company
do better.
And they were like, oh.
But the problem is the machine keeps on turning because of the machine's requirements.
adam crigler
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
It's not so easy to just think there's a magic bullet.
It reminds me of Wonder Woman, how she thinks, if you just kill Ares, the war stops.
And Chris Pine, or whatever his name is, is like, no!
People go to war, man!
adam crigler
People are bad.
People are good.
There's always going to be bad people in the world.
Period.
tim pool
So this is what bothers me, is that you have so many people that are just Not smart.
And they think they are.
And it's really, really bad.
I'll tell you, there's a really simple thing, a really simple way to put it.
I don't think I'm always right.
I don't think I have all the answers.
And I'm pretty sure I get a bunch of things wrong.
And I'm pretty sure that, you know, I'm not seeing the picture for as complete.
I'm not seeing the full view of what's happening in politics.
I'm only seeing what I can see.
But I'll tell you what, I can recognize when you have someone like Greta Thunberg, Come out and say, oh actually I don't have the audio turned on for that anyway.
unidentified
Oh no!
tim pool
When she comes out and complains about the U.S.
and western carbon emissions.
unidentified
How dare you!
tim pool
There you go.
And ignores China.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Because it's a narrative.
It's a media narrative.
It has nothing to do with actually making the world a better place.
And she's not smart enough, and I don't mean this to disrespect her, she's a kid.
And she doesn't know how the world works.
So she saw a commercial about a starving polar bear probably and then goes outside saying, this is bad.
And everyone's like, aw, and they pat her on the head, they fly around the world because it fits their political agenda, and she has no idea what she's talking about.
adam crigler
She doesn't even write her own speeches, though.
That's the problem.
She's being pushed forward by all these, you know, activists that are trying to push this narrative that the Western civilization is who's destroying the world, but it's like, no, we're actually on the forefront of showing, like, new environmental protections and curbing back everything.
tim pool
We have Tesla.
adam crigler
I know!
tim pool
Hey, we have amazing solar roofs, man.
I mean, they're really expensive, but it's cool stuff.
adam crigler
Yeah, and the fact that she doesn't talk about China at all is, it discredits everything she says, as far as I'm concerned.
Because they're the worst, as far as polluting this planet.
tim pool
There's only one thing she says.
unidentified
How dare you!
tim pool
Because everything else is written by somebody else.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
She doesn't have any real opinions.
It's like, imagine if you took a kid.
It's almost like the allegory of the cave.
You know what this is?
adam crigler
No, I don't.
tim pool
You know what I'm talking about.
lydia smith
Socrates cave?
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
No, I won't break it down for you because I don't fully grasp it.
tim pool
The general idea is that if people were sitting in a cave, and there was a fire behind them, and there were shadows, and they were chained there, and that's the only thing they've ever seen, that to them, that's what the world is.
But then outside the cave is this big, you know, other world and all these things they never experienced and never even realized existed.
adam crigler
So the cave is America.
That's all they know.
It's all, everything's here.
Everyone here is, you know, supremacists.
And it's like, you have no idea the type of people that are not living here and how good it is here.
tim pool
If the idea doesn't exist, they can't talk about it.
People don't realize, man.
It's mind numbing when I hear people rag on the American Revolution.
unidentified
It was literally just a bunch of white slave owners trying to protect their wealth.
tim pool
And it's like, you have no idea because you didn't read a book.
lydia smith
You didn't read anything.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
It's about beating the monarchy and letting the people rule instead of being told what to do.
tim pool
By divine providence.
adam crigler
Yeah.
It's like the opposite of what they're trying to say.
tim pool
It was people realizing that you don't just get to be in charge because you said you're in charge.
And that's what the American Revolution was.
They're like, hey, wait a minute.
Why is he king again?
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Well, because God made him king.
We don't have a king and we're just fine.
adam crigler
No, we're gonna rule ourselves and elect our own rulers and do this together.
What was amazing about it- That's amazing.
tim pool
When you lived under these monarchies, that's the only thing you knew.
But all of a sudden these colonies were thousands of miles away and they were like, we don't have a king here.
Everything's working out just fine.
We have to have, they had to have governors and they had to have, you know, local politicians and, you know, police sheriffs, et cetera.
And they decided, then why have the king in the first place?
It was an ideological revolution.
These ideas that come so easy to us because we have history books and we collect data, didn't exist several hundred years ago.
It's amazing.
You know, you really gotta play the game.
I think the game Civilization should be required schooling for kids.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, because when you start the game, communism, feudalism, capitalism, none of these things exist.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
That's literally what happened.
It wasn't like, you know, some, like a couple people crawled out of a cave and they were like, Capitalism, and they started trading money.
The concept of money was just, there was no idea it existed.
In fact, there's probably a whole bunch of civic ideas, methodologies for running countries that we don't know about right now, and we will develop in a hundred years.
They're gonna be like the Gerbo department, and they're gonna be like, oh, go down to the Gerbo department to pick up the resources you need.
And they're going to be like, man, could you imagine before there was a Gerbo department?
And right now we're like, I don't even know what that is.
I just made up a word, but there could literally be something that in the future is totally normal to them.
adam crigler
I can't wait for the Gerbo department.
tim pool
I know it's going to be fantastic.
that's going to take care of all of your problems.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Every, every, every little thing it's got a cure for it.
Death, anxiety, mental illness, constipation.
adam crigler
Just take this little pill.
It's red and it goes down smooth.
tim pool
You, you walk in and you press a button and a little arm comes out and drops the,
you know, the little pill in your mouth, in your hand and then you eat it and then all of your troubles go away.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Yep.
So, anyway, the point is, people don't realize that ideas and inventions are very, very similar.
Basically the same thing.
It's like, it's one thing to realize, hey, we invented the light bulb at some point.
Then we invented the light-emitting diode, and now we have crazy lights all over the place that can change colors and be voice-activated.
And they also don't realize that capitalism, the concepts of it, was literally, like, formulated by someone thinking and being like, hmm, interesting, here are some interesting ideas.
The same is true for communism.
These things didn't exist at a certain point.
Now they exist.
These ideas exist.
And now people have them and take them for granted.
And because of this, they're not smart enough to recognize, like, the importance of the Revolutionary War.
Anyway, the point is why I brought all this up.
Imagine if you took a kid who only ever lived in a white room and the only problem they ever had was that if they ate too many of the grapes that were given to them, they would get sprayed with water.
To them, they would be like arguing with other kids being like, how can we change this system?
It is so bad when we get sprayed by water for having too many grapes.
I should have more grapes.
Then you put them out into the real world.
They go to the UN.
We propose no more hosings for too many grapes!
And people are gonna be, like, clapping.
And then, like, people who actually know what's going on are like, what are they talking?
This is insane.
adam crigler
You can have as many grapes as you want in the real world.
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
You just gotta go buy them.
Go buy some grapes or grow some grapes.
tim pool
This is the example of the reason I use something as absurd as like someone going to the UN saying stop hosing me if I eat too many grapes is because it sounds insane.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
This is what it's like with Greta Thunberg going to these, you know, this UN meeting or whatever and saying, how dare you?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
When you're like, you have, why are we listening to a child who has no idea other countries exist?
adam crigler
And it's not like she's an economist.
She doesn't understand, like... Oh, that's my favorite part about it.
...the major wheels of society and how many different facets of everything go into everything to give us everything that we have.
It's crazy.
tim pool
This is the danger of the far left.
adam crigler
Just shut it all down, Tim.
Just stop, you know, these factories.
And it's like, okay, you do understand the implications of that, of just shutting down fossil fuels right now, because we cannot.
tim pool
Well, we could, yeah.
adam crigler
Oh, but I'm sure millions of people will die.
tim pool
Exactly!
Millions of people will die.
That's the danger of the far left, exactly that.
That they're going around saying, why can't we just print more money?
And you're like, dude, read a book.
Like, you're going to kill people.
No, I'm not.
You are.
Why?
You know what, man?
It's really, really difficult.
With all due respect to our great founding fathers, the one thing they couldn't predict was the scale of human expansion.
True.
And government.
You know another thing people don't realize?
Before the era of instant communications, the majority of people's lives were spent doing day-to-day nothingness.
adam crigler
Probably tending to gardens, honestly.
tim pool
Tending to gardens, farming, doing regular work.
And it was like every other month they'd be like, Whoa, I can't believe that just happened in England!
Write a note, three months later, the response would get there.
Which meant there were months of nothing going on.
Whereas today, with instant communication, we know right away when something happens.
So our lives are the opposite of boring.
They're tense, and anxiety-inducing, and all around nuts that we have this level of communication.
You know, I think back to, you know, I was reading about the Civil War, the Revolutionary War, and the gap in communication.
And you would end up with, like, you know, a military operation in the Revolutionary War where they're sitting around for, like, a week.
And we're thinking of everything being action-packed.
We can get from New York to D.C.
in a couple hours.
To them, it was, like, weeks or longer because everyone's gotta eat, they gotta stop.
Now we put them all on a train, boom, you're there in a couple hours.
adam crigler
Set up camp, break down camp.
tim pool
And wait for instructions, even.
adam crigler
Yeah, good point.
tim pool
Where were they getting their food from?
And I was reading about it and I'm like, you know what?
Outside of the conflict stuff, it was simpler times.
It really was.
And I can understand why people would romanticize the past in that regard.
That you'd wake up one day and you'd be like, I gotta go tend to the crop.
You'd go do your thing and then you'd sit back and you'd hear the, you know, the Crickets, you'd see the lightning bugs and stuff.
adam crigler
Smoke your pipe.
tim pool
Smoke your pipe, and that was it.
And it was like that for a month, and then finally, you know, your communication came in.
You're like, oh, so that's what's happening on the war front.
And you'd fill out your response, and then go back to doing your day-to-day thing.
It was really, really simple, with politics being few and far between.
But now that we have, we've rapid, you know, rapid transit, rapid communications, It's, it's like we are truly becoming a hive mind, you know, for better or for worse.
adam crigler
And we're, we're, we're learning how to be that because it's, it's very rocky right now, but you can see that we are, we are all becoming so connected and it's, it's going to be rocky for a little while longer until we truly understand, you know, the, what the implications of, of everyone else being so connected really does.
tim pool
You know what intersectionalism is?
It's the Borg.
adam crigler
It's an arm of the Borg.
tim pool
What I mean is, right now with rapid communications, we've seen a rapid polarization.
So you have the left and the right.
The far right's been totally purged, and even right wing is being decimated by censorship.
So you have a centrist to moderate right faction, and then you have...
I mean, let's be real.
If you took a, you know, a year 2005 Christian conservative and had them tweet what they believed, they would be banned in two seconds.
Tweeting, like, they'd be opposed to gay marriage and stuff like this, let alone trans rights issues.
Now you have whatever the right is being absolutely supportive and libertarian on a ton of these issues.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
So you have a far left and then you have basically liberty.
Libertarianism, liberalism, and conservatism kind of overlapping around a general concept of free expression, free thought.
And I think overwhelmingly the thing that unites this faction is liberty.
You have liberty versus the cult.
If the cult wins and everyone else gets banned, then that becomes the dominant culture.
adam crigler
And that's what Fusion was predicting.
tim pool
Yes.
adam crigler
Wrongly so.
Because I don't believe that's going to be the case.
tim pool
I don't think they were wrong because of where we're at today.
adam crigler
But they were saying everyone is going to be like this and that is not going to happen.
tim pool
In like 10 more years.
If Biden wins, Yep, yep, and so that's that's the big fight is because the way the communications technology is Uniting the world culturally.
Yeah, and the speed at which information and and travel technology, you know, and you know transport can get us places We're homogenizing this planet very very quickly true.
I went to the Bahamas.
Okay, and you know what?
I saw once I got off that boat at NASA and Starbucks?
adam crigler
Yeah, seriously.
tim pool
Starbucks, Gucci, Hard Rock Cafe.
And so I'm on this cruise and I'm like, man, it's gonna be so exciting to go to this, you know, I've never been here before.
I'm sure there's gonna be like unique tourist places.
It's like being in Times Square.
adam crigler
I've been to Nassau.
You can go to the south side of the island and it's a little bit more rural.
tim pool
Unsurprisingly, it's funny, I'm in Egypt, right?
The revolution.
There's people in Tahrir Square, they're all screaming, ah!
And I look over to my left and there's McDonald's and there's a guy eating a cheeseburger.
And I'm like, I'm in Egypt.
I can just walk into a McDonald's.
We're everywhere.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
The culture is homogenizing.
What we need to make sure is that the culture that ends up, you know, the cultural ideas that persist and survive are ones of individual liberty.
Because if we end up with this massive system of Benveni or else religious doctrine and we have a fundamentalist global society, it will be a nightmare for everybody and it will fall apart and more importantly it will completely collapse on itself.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Authoritarianism fails almost every single time.
And they say, like, communism has failed every time it's been tried.
It's like, yes!
That's authoritarianism.
adam crigler
Well, Tim, it's not real communism.
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Yeah.
adam crigler
Yes, it is.
Yes, it is.
tim pool
When you see these people, like Greta Thunberg, saying, we need to shut down all fossil fuels, not by 2030 or 2025, but now!
It's like, so you want millions to die?
No, of course not.
But they would if we did what you asked for.
No.
Yes.
adam crigler
Has anyone actually said that to her?
tim pool
Of course not.
Has anyone said to her, you realize China's pumping up like massive amounts of carbon emissions, way worse than the US.
adam crigler
Yeah, to produce everything for everyone.
tim pool
Most people in America agree with you.
So we don't need you preaching to us.
How about you go talk about China?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You won't?
Oh, what's the point?
It's political narrative.
It's optics.
It's insane.
Well, I'll tell you what, man, I got bad news for you.
Here it is.
Humanity likely faces rapid catastrophic collapse, study warns.
But you know what?
I'm not going to read this article.
You know why?
adam crigler
I don't want to read it either.
tim pool
We're not going to.
Because we've got something better to talk about.
adam crigler
Oh, thank goodness.
tim pool
A new hope.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Elon Musk.
adam crigler
What an I got a crush on him.
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OK, we I don't I love it.
adam crigler
I I love scientists.
I love astronauts.
I love space.
And he he is like living the American dream. He came here and is making
major waves on the space front.
And it's amazing.
Like, we need that.
I'm so psyched to have him in this country doing what he's doing that
Donald Trump, you know, brought the Artemis program into effect.
You know, we're going to go to the moon, you know, potentially in the next three years, four years.
It's like we're gonna go to the moon We're planning on going to Mars like this is exciting.
tim pool
This is such an exciting time for human life and there's a it's awesome and There's a reason why I started this segment with a story saying we're facing catastrophic disaster.
Because there is a real reason that we need the Artemis Project, why we need people like Elon Musk.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And it's because if we are to survive, we need to look to the stars, we need to expand.
And even outside of this idea of colonizing other planets or expanding, space technology and development, this technology we develop for space travel, we use here on Earth.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Which brings me to this story.
adam crigler
This is like the silliest part of like what I want to talk about with this, what the SpaceX, the whole Dragon capsule working and what it means for America.
But go ahead.
tim pool
No, no, no.
adam crigler
This is hilarious, though.
tim pool
A boat flying a Trump flag approached SpaceX's spaceship after the astronauts landed.
NASA promised to do a better job next time.
I think they did a great job.
lydia smith
I think it's great.
tim pool
I think it's hilarious.
lydia smith
It's perfect.
tim pool
Listen, this guy with the flag who showed up, whether you like Trump or not, that's hope and that's optimism.
adam crigler
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
That's a dude rolling up to this SpaceX thing and he's excited.
He's happy.
You've got people who want to see this.
They're cheering for SpaceX.
They're having a good time.
And that's the optimism I like to see.
adam crigler
Yeah, definitely.
tim pool
I got to tell you, man, I have seen Trump flags and banners and stickers placed in the craziest places.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
We talked about this.
Where we are, there's like a weird lake under a highway.
It's like, not something you go into.
It's gross.
And somebody, like, somehow got out into the middle of it and put a Trump flag.
adam crigler
Whoa, whoa.
The bear collar.
tim pool
The bear collar.
adam crigler
I don't know if you've seen this.
We don't have it pulled up, but there's like, you know, one of those tracking collars on a black bear.
And someone somehow stuck a Trump 2020 sticker on it.
And there's a $5,000 cash reward.
Like the police are trying to figure out who put it on there.
It's like somebody cares.
tim pool
That's awesome Yeah, I think they would eat you somebody approached a black bear.
adam crigler
Yes to put a Trump 2020 sticker on the collar I mean, I feel like they're This is not this is not the important news If you want to talk about SpaceX, yeah, I mean we went back to space at under $2 million per flight is insane compared to the $30,
$40 million it costs that we were paying Russia to send our astronauts into space.
So the fact that we can do it for a pittance compared to what we were spending, now we
can do it from American soil.
We can do it over and over again, reusing the rockets.
That's why it costs so cheap.
This is the first step in a very new age of space travel, and it's incredible.
So Elon Musk, props to you.
You've done an amazing job of bringing Bob and Doug back to the country, to Earth.
to terra firma and it's it's an incredible time to see that this is this stage now he's working on a spaceship that's one unit that will fly up and fly around and come back down to earth wow yeah i mean he told you you to your tweet you know what's our shit yeah what's up
with the iron man suit you on and now i tweeted that
tim pool
hate you on musk why haven't you got an iron man suit yet yeah and he said
working on starship yeah and i said that is an acceptable response so he's doing
adam crigler
it and i think that they're they're doing tests this week about trying to
figure out to actually make that happens so so so this ship
tim pool
can launch Yep.
Go into space and land back.
adam crigler
That's the plan.
tim pool
That seems insane to me.
adam crigler
Well, I know, but look, have you watched the Falcon 9 land?
tim pool
Yeah, of course, of course.
adam crigler
That was insane to me.
That was CGI to me until I saw it over and over and over again and then I was watching it live and I'm like, I mean...
We need a better form of propulsion, levitation, whatever.
Like we need a dragon capsule flew itself docked itself. It was fully autonomous
tim pool
we need a better form of Propulsion levitation whatever like what's it's I think it's
rad that we're doing this Yeah, but I'm curious if Elon Musk is is doing research in
other areas. Oh Oh, come on.
adam crigler
Of course he is.
tim pool
I know.
adam crigler
You've got to think of the two companies that he's using.
SpaceX, which is what we're talking about, and then Tesla, which is an electric powered vehicle factory that he's, you know, and you think about the advancements of solar energy, batteries, you know, there's only a matter of time before they figure out some sort of new technology that gets us into space without any sort of propellant.
tim pool
I got it.
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
A really big magnet.
adam crigler
Well, I was thinking a big slingshot.
Or a little bit of both, actually.
Have you seen the movie Moon?
unidentified
No.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe.
adam crigler
Yeah.
I mean, it's kind of old.
tim pool
That was Sam Rockwell?
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
Awesome movie.
tim pool
Yeah, good movie.
adam crigler
But there's a magnetic slingshot, actually, and it's basically just a mag system that shoots you out into above orbit so you can break orbit.
tim pool
Yeah, like a rail gun.
adam crigler
Exactly a railgun so that's that I think that's gonna be kind of the future because if we set up like a Nice solid railgun system.
I mean, I think you need to get to like 200 miles So if we used magnets to propel us and then with a little bit of a rocket assistance You know to get us the rest of the way.
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, I'm not a rocket scientist So I'm just saying I think it's like the the size of a ship you need to carry all the fuel Yeah, especially for a landing A full vessel?
That to me sounds crazy.
But listen, man.
Politics still play a huge role in this.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
If we're being warned by the likes of, say, Greta Thunberg, that the Earth, we have 8 years left or 12 years left, I don't know, whatever.
It keeps changing.
adam crigler
10 years, 12 years.
tim pool
Now we have a new study saying the end is nigh.
Take a look at all the accounts on Twitter ragging on Elon Musk.
Where do they fall politically?
adam crigler
Probably on the left.
tim pool
They definitely do.
adam crigler
And I mean, I see this whole thing about how, well, Elon Musk praised China and it's like, yeah, because like they are trying to push into space also.
They're trying to, you know, push forward that this, their kids, the number one thing that they answered on what Chinese children, not political, the children of China, that they haven't done anything wrong yet.
They want to be scientists when they grow up.
tim pool
When was that from, that study?
adam crigler
I don't know.
I read it a couple months ago, so it could be older.
tim pool
They want to be astronauts.
adam crigler
Oh, even better.
tim pool
I know.
It's actually more to your point.
They want to go to space.
adam crigler
Right.
And what do our kids want to do?
They want to be YouTubers.
They want to be influencers.
tim pool
They want to make duck face on Instagram and TikTok.
adam crigler
Okay.
That's another way of putting it.
tim pool
I'm not disagreeing with you.
adam crigler
So it's like, when you think about what China We gotta remember that the CCP is not China as a whole.
We gotta let go of that, because the CCP is terrible.
They are doing terrible things.
tim pool
They're the problem.
adam crigler
They are absolutely the issue.
I still feel for a lot of the Chinese citizens that have no choice in this matter right now.
tim pool
Think about the epic history of China before the rise of Mao and the Communist Party.
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Amazing.
tim pool
Yeah, they've been tainted by the evils of the CCP.
adam crigler
Yep, that's a good point.
tim pool
That's nasty, dude.
adam crigler
Yes, it is.
tim pool
Nasty stuff.
And that bums me out.
It bums me out a lot.
A lot of cool storied history, you know.
And it's covered up now by communism.
adam crigler
Yeah.
I mean, I want to go visit China.
I want to go visit Russia.
I want to go visit everywhere.
I want to go to Egypt.
And I think there's going to be amazing people everywhere I go.
Because that's actually been the case.
And I've traveled around the world.
I've been to many, many places.
And there's awesome people everywhere.
Not awesome people.
tim pool
Really bad people in some places.
adam crigler
In most places too, you know, including here.
tim pool
I don't, if, you know, Elon Musk apparently, what did he say, like China is awesome or something?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Referencing their space programs or something like that?
adam crigler
Yeah, probably because they're, you know, well, and, you know, they have a billion people that are probably buying a lot of Teslas.
It's like, that's the future of, you know, travel on this planet also.
tim pool
I'm a bit tepid.
I don't have really strong words of criticism, nor do I have strong words of praise for him.
I can criticize him for it, but I can understand that there absolutely are parts of China and things that the Chinese people do that are awesome, that you can be happy with.
But I'm not going to say I'm happy with Elon Musk saying that, especially as wealthy as he is.
adam crigler
Well, I don't know the details.
I don't know exactly what he's referring to.
I'm assuming because he sells Teslas out there and that he probably makes a lot of money.
Why isn't anyone coming down to the NBA right now?
We are.
Sure, we are.
But they're going to praise the NBA when they're doing exactly... It's political.
It's political.
tim pool
Period.
So the reason why I say I'm a bit tepid on it is if there's something about the hard work of the Chinese people working towards space advancement, that's a fine thing.
But I would lean negative if I knew the fuller details.
I don't think we should be at a point where we're praising what China as a whole is doing because the CCP runs everything they're doing.
adam crigler
I was not praising China at all.
lydia smith
So this is the title of this is Elon Musk bombshell tech boss warns a complacent and entitled US is losing to China and that was the force of his message.
He was talking about China being efficient and effective and the US just being entitled.
tim pool
And there it is.
adam crigler
It's like someone's been selling out our country for the past 20 years to China.
tim pool
It's like the media took him out of context when the idea he was trying to convey was, they're doing a really good job in these areas and we're losing to them.
So saying something like, dude, the U.S.
sucks and when it comes to space, China's awesome.
lydia smith
It gets better.
Oh yeah?
So somebody asked him a question, how about China as an electric vehicle strategy leader in the world?
The tech mogul replied, China rocks, in my opinion.
The energy in China is great.
People there.
There's like a lot of smart, hardworking people.
So again, he is referring, of course, to the people, not the party.
tim pool
There it is.
Yep.
adam crigler
That's exactly what I was thinking.
tim pool
And of course, the people who are criticizing him are the ones who hate the fact that he's going to bring us to space.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Dude, it really does feel... I'm sorry, man.
I hate to go in this direction, but there's almost a good versus evil thing going on.
adam crigler
That's exactly what it is.
tim pool
When you have somebody saying, I want to bring humanity to the stars, I want to help save
us.
When our top scientists say, we must make it to Mars or other planets for humans to
survive and Elon Musk is like, I'll do that.
And then you have people that do everything in their power to just hate, hate, hate, hate,
and tear him down.
I will criticize the guy.
He has got dumb tweets, and he costs a lot of people money when he tweets stupid things about Tesla stock, for sure.
There's the stupid thing he said about the scuba diver.
The guy is far from perfect, but I'm going to give him credit on the space flight stuff.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
What are you going to get?
It's crazy.
Nuance doesn't exist to so many of these people, and that's why it really does feel good versus evil.
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No, no, no.
adam crigler
You keep saying it feels.
That is literally what it is.
It's good versus evil right now.
They believe that they are doing the most virtuous work, but in the most evilest way.
I mean, you saw that video of that.
I don't know if he was, who he was, if he was a Trump supporter or not, but the InfoWars girl was like, let's go talk to the Trump supporters, you know, and they're like, go ahead, set it up.
tim pool
This is a viral video.
And you know what?
It could be that InfoWars is biased, but I believe this because I've seen it.
There's a black man and she's like, let's go to the Trump supporters and tell them, you know, we're liberals, see what they say.
And all the Trump supporters are hugging the guy and shaking his hand like, thank you for coming here.
We're really glad you're here.
This is great.
People saying like, it doesn't matter, you know, black, white, we're all in this together.
One lady like gives him a hug and a kiss on the cheek.
And he's like, wow, if I get one more of those, I'm coming in with y'all.
And they're laughing, having a good time.
And then she's like, let's go over to the protest and tell them we're Trump supporters.
And everybody knows what happened.
I don't need to, if you haven't seen the video, I don't need to tell you.
adam crigler
Well, and if you haven't, I mean, I'll just, I'll go ahead and say it.
They start, they get swore at.
They're, they're telling them that they're white supremacists, like all these crazy things.
tim pool
And the guy's face is just like, the dude's just like, what just happened?
adam crigler
Did that just happen?
tim pool
This is reality.
adam crigler
Good versus evil.
tim pool
I've been to enough of these events, man.
I've seen it.
I've seen... I was in San... I think it's San Jose, I think I was.
I'm not sure.
In California.
This mob of angry leftists, they were Bernie supporters.
They shoved an elderly couple to the ground, ripped the Trump hat off their head, and set it on fire.
And they're like, it's like an old, slightly overweight, out of shape, elderly couple knocked to the ground.
I'm like, what is happening?
These people are nuts.
And guess what happened?
I was at Fusion at the time.
What happened when I said these were Bernie supporters?
Oh man, they started getting angry.
How do you know that?
And I was like, they were wearing Bernie shirts.
Like, well, how do you know they weren't faking it?
I was like, one guy was yelling Bernie.
One guy had a flag.
I was like, what do you want me to say, man?
These weren't Hillary supporters running around doing this.
It was Bernie Sanders supporters.
And they were like, you're lying.
Tim Pool's lying.
Look at what they do to Andy Ngo.
Andy Ngo, he doesn't, they say he doxxes people.
He literally publishes the same information as all the news outlets.
He just puts it on Twitter.
So they target him.
They harass him.
They try and, you know, come after him.
So anyway, I want to keep it back to the science stuff.
The reason I bring this up is...
We need this.
We desperately need this.
We need technological advancement to better the lives of the poor.
They say we need universal health care.
Fantastic.
You know the best way to go about getting there?
New medical technologies.
Reducing the cost of treatments, reducing the cost.
And you can't do these things completely with policy.
Trump just did an executive order to reduce the cost because, yes, there's exploitation.
I hate it.
EpiPens?
They shouldn't cost that much money.
That's nuts.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's insane.
tim pool
So Trump is like, I'm going to sign some stuff.
You can do that.
But guess what?
You know what else you could do?
New ways of producing treatments, new treatments, new technologies that will reduce the cost for everything and mass production.
adam crigler
Well, it's not just that we even need to do all this with science.
We have to create a way that it is exciting for children.
You know, make heroes out of astronauts and scientists and doctors and You know these these people that are gonna are the ones that are actually paving the way to a future that you know Everyone who doesn't want to live with wealth, you know with wealth and you know Living comfortably in your life, you know, so we have to understand the kids need to glorify
You know, going into space, being excited about figuring out how to figure out new rocket propulsion, you know, ways that we're going to get there instead of them going, I want to be an influencer.
I want to be famous.
I just want people to love me.
It's like, that's not going to get us to it's not.
You know what I mean?
And then that's the key.
So, not only do we need all these programs that are great, like, sure, it's getting us there, but if we don't have, like, the backing of the new generations that are excited about it, that have a passion in it, then it's not gonna go anywhere.
tim pool
This is the fear I have, is that we've been on a track towards, like, we've been on the back end of the bell curve for quite some time.
America had its time.
It's lasted longer than the average empire, whatever you want to call it.
And now we have new generations of young people who aren't aspiring to be legends, to be heroes, to be astronauts, to be explorers and pioneers.
They just want people to look at their face.
I don't think it's the end.
I think we've recognized this problem.
And if we don't correct, we're like our planes going down, we can pull up and we can reach
new heights with that dip.
As we go down, we can go boom and shoot even higher.
Like you ever played Mario, you know, when you're flying with Mario, you got to go down
and then up and you go even higher.
That's what we're doing.
So now that we recognize the problem, we need to inspire young people.
And that's one thing that Elon Musk does for all his faults, by all means, criticize the
guy launching that hot, you know, that hot rod red convertible Tesla in a space with
the dude sitting in the driver's seat.
adam crigler
That's nothing compared to watching him launch two actual people into space.
tim pool
I disagree.
I understand what you're saying, though.
To an adult, you look at that and you're like, wow, man, that's amazing.
And the cool technology.
But when you look at kids who don't understand, because they're born with it, they see this cool convertible and it looks like a rock star.
adam crigler
I see what you're saying, yeah.
tim pool
I think, look, you know, so Tesla, I'm sorry, Elon needed some kind of payload to prove they could launch into space.
He chose the Tesla.
And that created this pop culture moment.
adam crigler
Starman.
tim pool
Yup.
It created a historical moment, a pop culture moment, it caught the attention of people.
There's a lot of people who don't care that he launched these dudes into space, at a ridiculously low cost, with new tech, and reused the rockets even, and brought them back.
adam crigler
Flat screen controls.
tim pool
Yeah, it's cool stuff.
adam crigler
Just big, three big screens.
It's like, if you look at it, it's like, I'm looking into the future.
That's the future.
Wait, no no, that's now.
tim pool
But check it out.
Kids, so, you know, kids who are born today have not lived without a touchscreen phone.
You're right.
You know, if you were born after 2007, they've always had touch, they've always existed.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
I remember the phone would ring, and me, my brother, my sister would run to try and answer it first.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It was a phone mounted on the wall.
adam crigler
With the cord?
tim pool
With the cord and everything, and it would be tangled, and exactly.
adam crigler
Oh yeah.
tim pool
It's like, oh, back in my day, we only had one phone on the wall, and guess what?
I'd call my friend's house, and I'd be like, is Jason home?
And his mom would be like, no, I don't know where he is, and I'd go, I guess I'm not hanging out with Jason today.
adam crigler
Maybe I'll run into him at the park.
tim pool
Yeah, if I get lucky.
And you go around looking for where your friends might be and then you finally find out.
It's like you went on a quest every day.
It's another thing that kids are losing, too.
It was almost like Carmen Sandiego.
I go to one house.
Last time I saw him, he was at this house.
I go there.
Actually, they went to 7-Eleven.
You finally find them.
You're like, I did it!
Solved the mystery of where my friends are.
Anyway, the point is...
I think a lot of kids are born and they see the touchscreen rocket, you know, screens and everything.
And they're like, I have one of those.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But then they see a convertible and they're like, whoa, space convertible.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like a weird, unique thing.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And it looks cool.
adam crigler
Well, and, and the fact that, you know, you, you, your prize at the end of that quest was hanging out with your actual friends in real life.
Whereas nowadays you just FaceTime somebody.
Hey, cool.
All right.
All right.
I'll talk to you later.
I gotta do this YouTube video thing.
tim pool
I can't believe that we haven't regulated social media yet.
adam crigler
I can't believe it either.
It's coming.
I think it's coming soon.
tim pool
The first thing I would actually recommend doing is Section 230 reform.
adam crigler
Absolutely.
tim pool
Immediately followed by a regulation that removes the counters from social media websites.
adam crigler
Like likes?
tim pool
Likes, shares, followers, friends, etc.
That counter is the manipulation.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
It is.
And Twitter knows it.
I'll just call this my opinions and assumptions based on conversations and data to avoid legal issues.
adam crigler
With certain people that actually may or may not run Twitter, can I say that?
tim pool
Not in this context.
I've talked to some people who have insider knowledge and the general consensus is Twitter knows that what drives engagement, what makes people use the platform and makes them worth money, is that count.
How many retweets do I get?
How many likes?
How many followers?
How many followers do I have?
It's a number, it's a game to people.
It's almost like, it's people earning points.
And so they've gamified hate.
Twitter is a is a rage system where people hate each other and they and they and it generates as much rage as possible.
And the more rage you generate, the more points you get.
And it satisfies people in their minds.
They're addicted to it.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Get rid of those numbers.
All this goes away.
No one will know how many responses they're getting.
There'll be no ratioing.
They'll get rid of all of it.
But they won't do it because it's the only reason people like their platform.
adam crigler
It's a good point.
tim pool
Yep, so we're in trouble in that regard, but maybe.
We'll see how this election plays out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I hope it plays out well.
adam crigler
Trump 2020.
tim pool
You know, man, if I end up living in a van in the middle of the woods or something down by the river, hunting rabbit and deer and cooking up and farming, I'm not going to be miserable.
I'm going to enjoy it.
It's like, it reminds like, it's like Thanos, you know, when he finally snaps away half the universe and he gets to go farm and just pick weird little fruits.
There you go, man.
That can be you.
Well, how about we read some of these super chats?
adam crigler
Sounds good.
tim pool
Matthew Hammond says, why did Tim's mother not make an appearance in the 2 plus 2 equals 5 video from today?
Well, because she makes her own math videos.
lydia smith
Just set everyone straight.
What the heck?
tim pool
You've seen the 2 plus 2 equals 5 thing?
It's insane.
It's literally out of 1984.
Yeah.
Woke people on Twitter are literally arguing, but of course 2 plus 2 can equal 5.
You simply need to redefine... Okay, stop you right there.
Redefine?
Shut up.
lydia smith
Yes, thank you.
tim pool
Jeremy says, you're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality.
Wrong is wrong, no matter who does or says it.
Malcolm X. I agree.
Call out people who need to be called out, no matter whose side they're on.
Georgie says, hello guys, a question for each one of you.
Tim, what are the chances to vote Trump?
I would say for me, very high.
You know, pending some weird change, very high.
But it could be a third party.
It's definitely not gonna be Democrats at this point.
Skateboard Jesus, when was the moment you decided to vote for Trump?
adam crigler
When was it?
Well, I think it was two months ago?
Three months ago?
tim pool
End of April, I think, right?
adam crigler
Yeah, end of April, maybe.
Yeah, I just started the show in the end of January.
Was it end of January when you started?
tim pool
End of January.
It was like January 27th or something.
adam crigler
So, sitting here with Tim, you know, unless you know what you're talking about, it's very difficult to be a part of the conversation.
So, I just dove into the political realm because the show wasn't supposed to be political but it very quickly just turned into current events which happens to be you know it was covid and politics and basically i just started doing all this research and finding out about the president's policies what he was doing what like what they were saying he was doing and you know the whole
Stop making me defend Trump thing it became more of I just was figuring out who he was and what he was actually doing and then the more I dug the more policies I found and I was like wow I actually really like the things that he's doing for this country like I think he's actually doing a lot of really good things And then it just kind of snowballed into, you know, because we talk about everything that's going on and the Democrats are crazy.
And I think Trump is great.
I think he's doing a really good job.
And I just, yeah, it was, I guess the end of April when it really kind of clicked, I was like, you know what?
I'm voting for him.
I'm going to make a declaration that I'm voting for him.
tim pool
You know, the important thing, too, is I think it's missed is that I think Democrats have completely lost their minds.
adam crigler
Yeah, definitely.
tim pool
I think the Republicans are as bad as they've always been.
There's a small handful of people in the Republican Party that I think do an OK job.
I think Tulsi Gabbard, she's on her way out.
Most of these are the people who agree with Trump on pulling out of Afghanistan, to be honest.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But Trump isn't a Republican.
adam crigler
He's not a Republican or a Democrat.
tim pool
So the issue is right now the Republicans are shutting up and getting behind Trump to a certain degree and so that doesn't really raise any red flags with me for the most part.
It certainly does in certain instances like blocking Trump withdrawals and there have been other issues like expanding FISA surveillance stuff, stuff that I've complained about in the past, I'll complain about right now that Republicans have done.
For the most part they aren't doing anything but Democrats are just off the rails unhinged and the Democratic establishment has
been taking in the never-Trumper Republican refugees. So it's like the
Democrats have become the haven for the establishment political base desperate to
regain their power.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Desperate is a good word.
Absolutely. Background lady, what do you think about politics overall?
adam crigler
That's you.
unidentified
Me?
lydia smith
I am, in fact, background lady.
I'm pretty conservative.
I'm more conservative than either Tim or Adam.
I'm pretty pro-life and I really like philosophy.
I want to know what's underneath all of it.
unidentified
So that's clearly what I'm looking at when I look at politics.
tim pool
Are you going to say who you're going to vote for?
lydia smith
I'm probably not going to say who I'm going to vote for just yet, but I don't think I have an option at this point.
tim pool
Because you'll get fired.
adam crigler
That's right.
lydia smith
My boss will fire me.
tim pool
If he finds out.
Yeah, your co-workers will complain about your politics.
lydia smith
Yeah, I know.
It's true.
tim pool
Because she's voting for Biden.
adam crigler
You guys are both voting Trump.
Get out of here.
lydia smith
What if I vote for Biden?
adam crigler
Okay.
lydia smith
Am I disowned?
Am I going to get fired?
tim pool
No, we'd have a conversation about it.
adam crigler
I would probably lose a little bit of respect for you.
lydia smith
I'm not voting for Biden.
No way.
tim pool
Yeah, man, Trump, he's not a Republican.
He's just something else entirely.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's why they don't like him.
tim pool
But even Trump supporters have been saying this.
That's why they use the lion instead of, you know, what is the Republican?
The elephant?
Yeah, he's the lion.
The MAGA party.
It's different.
Trump was the populist usurper.
He stormed into the Republican Party.
And a bunch retired.
A bunch of Republicans retired.
Like, I don't want to be involved in whatever Trump is doing.
And they try to make it seem like they're doing it because Trump is all evil and everything.
Oh, shut up.
They're doing it because they're like, the jig is up.
adam crigler
Yeah, Trump is calling them all out for having way too much power and the people don't control the government anymore because the people got complacent and stopped caring about politics.
And that's a big issue.
tim pool
Tribal wedge issues dominated and that's what got people power.
And now you have Trump who's confusing a lot of people.
You see this, Donald Trump says income disparity is a problem we gotta solve?
lydia smith
Yeah, what's up?
adam crigler
Yeah, what are they gonna say now?
Actually, we like the rich, famous people.
Well, they certainly like war.
Wait, what are we arguing about?
lydia smith
They like being in Afghanistan now.
adam crigler
He tweeted the Business Insider video about Bezos making, not only Bezos, the four or five people that made a Crazy amount of money over COVID and all the middle class to lower class, everyone else just got shafted.
And he's like, this is an issue.
They shouldn't be making this much money.
They're not even paying taxes.
You know, Amazon paid 1.2% taxes.
tim pool
So that's on profits when it comes to like employment tax and stuff.
adam crigler
Sure, sure.
But on profits across their company.
tim pool
But that could just mean that they didn't really generate all that much.
There's tax incentives.
adam crigler
He made like $15 billion in four months.
tim pool
Was that profit?
adam crigler
I don't know all the details, sure.
tim pool
When it comes to the narrative about Amazon and taxes, a lot of people, there's no legal way.
Amazon just goes, we're not going to pay.
No, there's a bunch of reasons why, from tax incentives, tax programs, rebates, and they typically exclude the property taxes, sales taxes, you know, employment taxes that they do pay.
adam crigler
Who's been setting up all these systems over the past, whoever knows how long?
The establishment, bro.
tim pool
Exactly.
It was both Democrats and Republicans.
adam crigler
You're right, both sides.
tim pool
They were playing a game of hot potato back and forth.
adam crigler
Oh no, it's their fault.
Oh no, it's their fault.
Everyone just pretend that we're all against each other when they are all against each other.
lydia smith
Come on.
tim pool
This is what bothers me.
It's like, the progressives should just be like, Democrats, reap what you sow.
Here's Trump for another four years.
Because then they'll have an opportunity for a new populist if the Democrats get crushed.
adam crigler
Yeah, maybe.
tim pool
But if the Democrat establishment wins, the populist left will never get another chance.
Their only opportunity is that the populists dominate, and right now the right populists are holding the reins.
Not Biden, man.
Sorry.
adam crigler
Never Biden.
tim pool
Yeah, never Biden.
That's why I begged, and that's why I donated to these other Democratic candidates.
Because I was like, give me a non-establishment alternative.
They could not do it because they're stupid and insane.
But more importantly, the people that I liked, they couldn't control.
Some of them I think they can, however.
Bernie Sanders, you know, ended up selling out, in my opinion.
Maximum Weeb says, That's cool.
Hamilton on Disney Plus. Hate the company deeply, but one of the greatest pieces of
entertainment about American history ever made bar none.
Extremely well worth a watch.
Funny, witty, sad, badass, all of it. A two hour and forty minute glorious epic rap battle
of history. That's cool. I like it. Alright, let's see what else do we got here in the
old Super Chat.
Philip McCrary says, I think this mafia contract will have an opposite effect, especially if it expands to other cities.
I would think business owners would not want to hire any black person in order to resist being bullied.
Backfire?
I don't think so.
I think the Cuban immigrant is straight up saying that he's not going to fall for these mafia tactics and they can't pretend to be anti-racist to make him do it.
Let's see.
Sullivan says, Hey Tim, how often do you check your PO box?
I sent Adam some beanies.
Can you have him go check it?
We check it almost, what, every day?
lydia smith
Almost every day.
tim pool
Almost every day.
Yeah, we have big boxes of stuff.
Oh, we gotta open some boxes.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
We have some boxes.
tim pool
Maybe they're in there.
Yeah, once we get to the new facility, we're actually gonna do a mail show on the vlog channel.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
Where I think, I don't think we have, I think if we did it once a week, we'd have too much.
adam crigler
Yeah, I agree.
tim pool
We'd send a ton of stuff.
If you guys want to send us stuff, go to TimCast.com slash donate.
There's a P.O.
box at the bottom.
Make sure you address it to TimCast IRL or any of us individually, depending on who you want to send it to.
lydia smith
Yeah, the post office already hates us.
tim pool
Yep.
Samuel Braley says, Don't let Chicago fool you.
Just in our South, there's small farm towns filled with people who just want to be left alone.
There's a huge silent majority.
I hear it every day.
Keep up the courageous work.
Beer's on me.
Cheers.
I would not be surprised if a bunch of parts of Chicago turned red in November.
Because there are areas of Chicago that are conservative, middle class.
Like city property.
adam crigler
I don't know if you know, but me and Tim are both from Chicago.
Most of my family that are in Chicago, they are all Republicans.
That's a lot.
I have a fairly large family in Chicago.
Hi everybody!
That's my family.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Spork Witch says, little red pill that makes all the problems go away.
So you mean Aldous Huxley's Soma?
The rate we are going, I wouldn't be surprised if they start proposing intentional fetal alcohol exposure to keep the Deltas happy with the menial work ordained.
What's that short story we were talking about before?
lydia smith
Harrison Bergeron?
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
The Great Equalization.
tim pool
The Great Equalization.
Have you read that?
adam crigler
Hmm?
tim pool
The Great Equalization.
Did you read it?
adam crigler
Sorry, I was distracted by the dead UFO.
tim pool
Somebody sent it to me and it's basically like smart people have things in their ears that scream random noises to disrupt their ability to think.
adam crigler
Sounds terrible.
tim pool
To make sure they're equal, you know?
And like strong people have to carry weights around and men have to carry weights so that they're, you know, strained and not stronger than women and stuff.
lydia smith
Kurt Vonnegut.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
Oh, that's so much better.
tim pool
Excellent.
John Doe says, I disagree.
I think capitalism is the basic, unregulated, natural state of the economy, as natural as
an old growth forest and just as wild.
Every regulation is an axe, but not all axes are bad.
Vines can choke a fruit tree.
Well, I disagree because I think understanding the concept of a trade medium was a revolution,
an ideological revolution.
People would be like, hello good sir, I require a loaf, you know, a bunch, a sheath of wheat.
And you'd be like, but I require parchment.
Sorry sir, I have no parchment.
I'll go find some.
And it would make everything harder.
Once they realized, wait a minute, what about some kind of intermediary?
I'll give you this, you go find somebody, they'll take it too.
Now you had an intermediary trade medium that allowed people to rapidly advance how fast they were trading, so it was a development.
Money didn't always exist.
Not only that, but the general idea of capitalism is like interest rates and investment and stuff, so all these ideas were written and expanded upon.
But the general idea of free trade, I believe, is true.
Let's see.
Jacob Wiren says, Yeah, it's ideological revolution.
in time and told a Roman slave owner about capitalism, he would laugh, point at his slave
and say, that's a really funny, it's really funny that you think that they can cooperate
freely when they clearly can't.
We've made huge progress since then.
Yeah, it's ideological revolution.
Yep.
Aureo says, I'm a fairly smart guy, but I used to think I was a lot smarter.
A few years ago, I came to realize that I was just coasting and couldn't consider myself as smart as I used to.
You guys and Joe Rogan help broaden my thoughts.
Hey, appreciate it.
unidentified
Very cool.
adam crigler
Thanks for putting us on that platform.
tim pool
My goodness.
Yeah, Joe's a clever dude.
He likes to say he's a dumb guy, but he's not.
He's definitely not.
adam crigler
Does he say he's a dumb guy?
tim pool
He does.
Really?
Yeah, he's like, I'm just some dumb comedian.
No, no, that's not true.
I mean, he's humble.
He's pointing out that he's a comedian entertainer.
You watch his show, and you'll be like, he knows a ton of things.
He clearly reads a lot.
Yeah.
Dude's clever.
Dale Wilson says, you three rule.
I truly love your shows.
Adam, Hulk, smash that button.
Tim, work on destroying the narrative.
It is the destruction of the worldwide freedom.
Think about that.
Lydia, you keep these hormones in place with Reason and Research USA.
Thanks, man.
Excellent!
I wanna know about it.
Yeah.
You wanna pull it up?
The journalist's creed reminds me a lot of the soldier's creed I swore in the army.
Tim and Adam, have Lydia look up the US Army Soldier's Creed and read it out loud.
It really raises your spirit and I feel you guys will appreciate it.
I'm vaguely familiar with this actually.
adam crigler
I want to know about it.
tim pool
Yeah, you want to pull it up?
Yeah.
lydia smith
I got it right now.
I think this is it.
It says, I'm an American soldier.
I'm a warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States and live the Army values.
So this is specifically for the Army.
I don't know if this is what he's referring to.
It says, I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined physically and mentally tough.
unidentified
Cool.
lydia smith
I like that a lot.
That's really simple, straightforward.
warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, equipment, and myself.
I'm an expert and I am a professional. I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy
the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I'm a guardian of freedom and the American way of life. I am an American
soldier." I like that a lot.
That's really simple, straightforward.
tim pool
Very, very good.
Padraic says, Thank you, Tim.
Your integrity is fantastic.
In Australia, our corruption is largely center-right.
I wish we had more honest reporters like you.
Anyway, wanted to mention, Kodak, camera company, was given $750 million loan to make 25% of American generic pharma ingredients.
And instantly, their stock jumped from like $17 to, I think, $60.
That morning, it was crazy.
Because they were like, you know what, man?
I dig it.
adam crigler
I do too.
tim pool
I love it.
American company being given resources to revitalize manufacturing, notably medicines.
I gotta say though, once again, this certainly does play into the idea that we're getting better prepared for war.
adam crigler
President Trump knows what he's doing.
He's making moves.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Urstax says, Aerospike Space Engines.
Andrew B says, Keep up the great work.
Can you give us some more direction as to who we should also support?
Groups to join, people to donate to, need to turn this country around, tired of being bullied into silence.
adam crigler
Well, if you follow me on Twitter at Adam Krigler, I have been researching many different politicians that are running.
It turns out a lot of them are Republicans that I end up finding, and they're really good.
I always tend to retweet them and look at their policies on their website, and I try to post those up.
So if you want to follow me, you can follow my journey into understanding the political world more.
tim pool
The most important thing anyone can do is, if you don't know of a group, start one.
If there's no petition for you to sign, make one.
I had a friend tell me that, you know, how come none of these conservatives who are concerned about this have done anything?
Where are the petitions?
Where are the protests?
And I'm like, they're Blue Lives Matter protests, yeah, yeah, yeah, but they don't protest nearly as much as the left.
I was talking about, I think we were talking about this, There was a venue that we were going to do a show at when I was putting on an event with the guys from Mythicist Milwaukee.
And one of the venues promised us, assured us, everything would be fine, we're not concerned about politics, protesters, we don't care about, we can easily handle security.
What they didn't expect is that within a few days, once the staff members found out, they all threatened to quit.
And so the venue was like, okay, show's over, sorry guys, bye bye.
Our staff was gonna quit, we can't do anything about it.
And I'm thinking to myself, how many conservatives and moderates, and even disaffected liberals, would say the same thing?
I'm sorry, it's relatively few.
Now there's an advantage these people have.
No families, they're young, no kids, and they're reckless ideologues.
People with families can't just do that, but that gives the left a major advantage, and they're making gains because of it.
Reaperbot says, Centripetal force, power supply, and or engine.
Something like a turbine generator using magnets that generate continuous clean energy could make them in many different scaled options.
Interesting.
adam crigler
Yeah, like a magnetic generator or something.
tim pool
Yeah.
Jim the Pro says, Ion engines are the future.
So far they are initially slow, but their speed cap is close to light speed.
This is where they have, like, the plate and they fire ions in it and then it, you know, incrementally pushes it forward, I guess.
adam crigler
It's the M drive?
tim pool
Is that what it is?
adam crigler
Like, violates- I don't know if that's the same.
I don't know what the ion engine is.
tim pool
I think that's what it is.
adam crigler
That sounds like the M drive that you're talking about.
Yeah.
And it's like- I don't think that's the same thing.
tim pool
It's violating the, what, second law of thermodynamics, I guess?
A closed system and the energy is still pushing it forward?
Perilous Pancake says, greetings from the Chinese Special Economic Zone of Victoria, Australia.
Oh, I didn't realize.
Keep those little green dudes dizzy.
Spin the UFO!
adam crigler
Our first spin, well, super chat spin.
I couldn't help myself earlier.
tim pool
1991 Shadowheart says, you missed my last super chat.
G'day Tim and co.
My mates and I are planning on making our own podcast.
News, politics, jokes, etc.
We'd love to have guests on it.
Who would y'all be interested?
Cheers for the hard work.
Have a cold one on me.
Much love, guys.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
I don't know.
adam crigler
I would love to go on your show.
Thank you.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
adam crigler
For thinking of me.
tim pool
I'm sure they'd love to have you.
adam crigler
It's going to be fun.
tim pool
They're going to be like, yes, absolutely, Adam.
I guess if I had to make a recommendation, maybe Adam Krigler.
Yeah.
adam crigler
I hear he's a good co-host.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think he'd be a great guest.
lydia smith
The best.
tim pool
Let's see.
Gregory says, Lydia, thanks for the call out on Twitter for Isaac.
He's a great dude.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Mount Liberty Bell says, here in Washington State, we have a group called Restore Washington.
They say soon, one in every 100 people in the state will be a member.
We are rising up.
Interesting.
adam crigler
Sounds good.
tim pool
But what do you do?
Do you, like, kick Seattle out?
lydia smith
Yes.
adam crigler
You show up and vote for the right people.
tim pool
That's what you do.
What's this thing people have talked about where they're like, separate the blue district archipelago into its own autonomous governments and then give the red areas to prevent civil war or something?
adam crigler
I don't know.
New Idaho?
tim pool
Decentralizing big cities is going to help.
The fact that people are fleeing cities for a variety of reasons will help, you know, people start meeting each other and talking to each other and hopefully it will start doing away with some of these more fringe ideas.
It could make things worse, however.
adam crigler
I think so too.
tim pool
I'd imagine the people leaving cities are more likely to lean conservative.
adam crigler
Well, and you think about how we talked about the war room that they had, the Never Trumpers, and how they were The blue cities stay blue then.
And if all these cities that are blue are pushing all the conservatives out that would normally vote
red, you know... The blue cities stay blue then. That's a good point, you know. And then it makes
tim pool
the swing districts turn red. That's a good point.
adam crigler
So they're kind of shooting themselves in the foot, I guess.
tim pool
This is the important factor.
A lot of people have said, Tim, if these people leave cities and they're likely to be liberal, they'll bring liberal values.
There's a political cartoon someone made about Joe Rogan, and he's carrying a bag leaving California that's blowing up, and he's going to Texas, and they're like, hey, leave that where you got it from, and he's carrying liberal values with him.
adam crigler
Who's the first to leave a city?
tim pool
New York.
adam crigler
It says liberal values or something.
tim pool
Yeah.
So, but I think that misses the point.
Who's the first to leave a city?
New York, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's district is 20% Republican.
That's just nowhere near enough to actually win.
adam crigler
Good point.
tim pool
Who's gonna leave first?
The Republicans!
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
The people who want weapons to defend themselves, are tired of this, have individual responsibility as like a core, you know, part of their personality.
They're gonna leave.
Then they're gonna go to the suburbs, which are swing districts, and they're gonna vote Republican.
I don't think, you know, AOC's constituents that are Democrat are complaining about the city right now.
The rioters were on their side.
So they're probably like, yay, go, go for it, woohoo, Black Lives Matter.
The conservatives are going, this is nuts, I can't take this.
They're allowing this?
I'm out.
We'll see, we'll see.
There's a lot of factors that people are missing, it's hard to know.
You can't predict everything, man, but I'll tell you what you can predict.
I can predict that everybody will smash the like button.
lydia smith
Oh, good prediction.
tim pool
I'm making a prediction that we will break 20,000 likes in the next couple of minutes because... If it was 30,000, this would be red right now.
lydia smith
Oh, man.
adam crigler
You guys know it.
I mean, that's kind of the thing.
I'll swap beanies.
tim pool
If we hit 30,000 likes, you put the MAGA beanie on?
adam crigler
That's it.
I mean, people have been talking about it in chat since we went live.
Oh, really?
tim pool
I mean, that's great.
adam crigler
Just not enough likes.
tim pool
Now we're consistently getting more likes.
adam crigler
Just not enough likes.
tim pool
Well, ladies and gentlemen, make sure you can also subscribe to the channel.
Not just the like button, but yes, the like button.
Subscribe, hit that little notification bell so you know when we go live, Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.
You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at Timcast.
You can follow at AdamKrigler in the same places.
And of course, you can follow at SourPatchLids, L-Y-D-S.
adam crigler
Don't forget to share.
tim pool
On Twitter and Parler.
adam crigler
Sharing is caring, and we love when you share our videos.
It really does help spread the word of TimCast IRL.
Helps our channel grow.
tim pool
I'll put it this way, because most of you probably know this, but if everybody who tuned in shared the link right when it started, we'd be bigger than CNN in like a few months.
adam crigler
That sounds really good.
Let's go with that.
tim pool
But the point I'm making is the exponential growth, right?
This is the point I'm making.
If everybody always did... Excuse me!
Yes?
adam crigler
Sorry, you cut me off and I wasn't done telling how excited I was to be bigger than CNN.
tim pool
I want to make sure I have this clear before we move on because I don't want people to misunderstand.
If we have 40,000 people and they all share it, and each of those 40,000 brings in one more person, we go to 80,000.
And then if 80,000 people share, we're at 160,000 and it keeps growing.
Non-linear.
I shouldn't even say a month.
I should say, theoretically, if everyone shared and brought in only one person, in a week we'd be bigger than CNN and MSNBC and Fox News.
So hey, not everybody likes watching us though.
So there you go.
So maybe for every one person they bring in, two people leave because, you know, I don't know, whatever.
lydia smith
Punish your friends.
tim pool
That's okay.
I think I can say I'm eternally grateful to all of you, everybody who's watched because this, you know, the show's been doing really, really well.
We've been growing and expanding and it's awesome.
And I'm glad we've been able to.
It's been absolutely fantastic.
lydia smith
So fun.
tim pool
Having a lot of fun, you know, complaining about stuff on the internet.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And being hopeful.
Space travel and all that good stuff periodically.
Hopefully once the election ends, we wake up November 4th and it's like... Covid's gone.
unidentified
What's that song?
tim pool
It's like...
lydia smith
Oh, it's called Mourning from the Purgent Suite.
Yeah, Stan Tchaikovsky.
tim pool
Yes, there you go.
That song will play.
You'll wake up on November 4th, and you'll see the window and a beam of light, and there's Blue Jays and Cardinals, and they're singing, and you turn on the TV, and they're not talking about Trump anymore.
It's all over.
lydia smith
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
The election has ended.
There's sports.
You look outside, there's a milkman for some reason, and you're like, nobody who gets milk delivered.
Unless you live in Chicago and they have the Overwise guys.
But no, no, you'll wake up and everything's good, back to normal, and then we'll be talking about Sonic the Hedgehog again or something.
adam crigler
Oh, that sounds fun.
unidentified
Movies!
tim pool
Yeah, movies.
adam crigler
Maybe the second one will come out.
tim pool
Maybe we'll end up talking about sports.
Who knows?
But until then, we will be back every Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.
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Thank you so much for hanging out, everybody.
We'll be back tomorrow, and we will see you all then.
unidentified
Smash it!
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